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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Sage 703 on August 28, 2007, 05:02:00 pm
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Radio Nowhere.
http://www.thebayonline.com/upload/radionowherebrucespringsteen.mp3 (http://www.thebayonline.com/upload/radionowherebrucespringsteen.mp3)
meh.
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it's also a free download on itunes this week... i do believe.
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i'm not impressed. but not every song can be a "Thunder Road." i'm sure he'll turn out a solid album and the tour will be incredible, as usual.
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I also DL it FREE from iTunes. Listened to it once. Thought it was sorta whatever. I'll listen again tomorrow.
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"I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm
This is Radio Nowhere..."
repeat 20,000 times.
How about:
I just want to hear some good lyrics?
or
I just want to hear a strong melody?
or
I just want to hear some that's DIFFERENT than the same grunting, cliched crap you've been producing for over thirty years (with a lame sax solo shoehorned in?)
Christ, that was that dull. I mean, I really HATE Bruce Springsteen and all he stands for so I'm biased. But that's an awful, boring song. THAT'S the first single?! That's going to get all the Viagra-taking, knee-replacing baby boomers to haul their bandanas out of the attic and buy a CD again? Will this album be available only on vinyl and cassette?
Brian
P.S. How much do you want to bet there's an environmental/anti-SUV song on the album?
P.P.S. I'll give him about thirty second of "Rosalita." That song has some witty lyrics.
But then he starts blathering on about "Jack the Rabbit," "Weak Knees Willie," "Sloppy Sue," "Big Bones Billy," "Little Dynamite," and "Little Gun" somewhere in "the swamps of Jersey." My God! Shut up! They're like Sesame Street characters aren't they?
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you hate all that he stands for? working class citizens, blue collar workers, and, for lack of a less cliche term, the American dream? That seems to be pretty much what Bruce is all about...
I'm glad I'm not as angry as you seem to be.
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For 'werkin mayne' rock, I'll take Earle over Springsteen any day. Even John Mellon Cougarcamp is coming up with better songs than Springsteen
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Originally posted by callat703:
you hate all that he stands for? working class citizens, blue collar workers, and, for lack of a less cliche term, the American dream? That seems to be pretty much what Bruce is all about...
I'm glad I'm not as angry as you seem to be.
Oh, please. If you really believe that Bruce Springsteen stands for "working class citizens, blue collar workers and the American dream" then I feel sorry for you. I also hear he farts unemployment checks and pisses Budweiser! Please start a petition to have the United States replace the bald eagle as our national symbol with the ass shot of Springsteen's jeans from the Born in the U.S.A. album cover.
Brian
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You don't like him....don't listen...easy enough.
Go be angry someplace else.
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wonder if this brian wallace character is any relation to that brian walalce fellow that was hanging around these parts a few months ago. both seem to be pretty cranky!
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What bands do you like Brian Wallace? Just curious.
P.S. What's up with all the echo-ey effect on the vocal. Very distracting.
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not a huge fan of the boss but i enjoy this song. nothing special but not bad.
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Originally posted by Stairmaster E:
For 'werkin mayne' rock, I'll take Earle over Springsteen any day. Even John Mellon Cougarcamp is coming up with better songs than Springsteen
yeah, that song from the chevy commercial was really something special. :roll:
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I'm curious too, Brian. What could cause such hatred? Are you an ex-fan, troll, communist? As a concert-loving person, what is there not to like about Springsteen?
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Originally posted by chaz:
What bands do you like Brian Wallace? Just curious.
he's on record as a defender of the musical relevance of fallout boy and my checmical romance.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by chaz:
What bands do you like Brian Wallace? Just curious.
he's on record as a defender of the musical relevance of fallout boy and my checmical romance. [/b]
I wish he would speak up so I can robotically rip what band he mentions. I'd also like to know how old he is. I'm guessing in the 15 - 19 range.
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Christ, you guys are worse than Beatles fans. I don't care if someone doesn't like My Chemical Romance. I honestly don't. But if you say you hate Bruce Springsteen, you're labelled a "Communist" and "un-American."
How sad, pathetic, petty and empty your lives must be. "What kind of bands do YOU like, huh? They aren't as AWESOME as BRUCE IS! You must be fifteen years old! You just don't GET BRUCE!"
What's there to get? His music is dull. His lyrics are insipid and everything about him in pandering and fake. The jeans. The bandana. The 42 hour shows. The idiotic, rambling stories about "when I was growing up....in Jersey....my Dad used to make go...to the 7-11...and get him...a.....a....Slurpee!" That stupid "Hey Big Man!" dialogue he has with Clarence Clemmons. It's got nothing to do with exciting, fresh rock music. It's music for middle-aged folks who "want to believe in America again." But they drive SUV's and send their kids to private schools.
Brian
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Blue collar people drive chevys.
Earle's last two albums have had a couple of good tracks each, but otherwise sucked. Before that though, he was on a huge winning streak.
Springsteen hasn't put out anything worthy of a second listening since Nebraska. Cougarcamp hasn't done anything good in ages, either.
Originally posted by reggie:
Originally posted by Stairmaster E:
For 'werkin mayne' rock, I'll take Earle over Springsteen any day. Even John Mellon Cougarcamp is coming up with better songs than Springsteen
yeah, that song from the chevy commercial was really something special. :roll: [/b]
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I never even said whether or not I like the boss or not. I could care less whether you like him or not or love fallout boy or whatever lame or great bands you may listen to. It's your robot like contrarian responses that are funny. Dead give away for adolescense (whether or not you are an adolescent or just act like one I don't know).
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E Street Band shows should be judged in context. What resonated in 1984 (I mean the production, not the songs which still hold up) won't have the same effect now. Likewise, what you see on TV, or read, doesn't have the same effect as 'the show.' Obviously the modern E Street band has evolved from what you're citing (bandanas etc), and now that they're no longer relevant to the popular zeitgeist they have the luxury of just doing their thing. I think the E Street Band's DVD released last year or so from the 1975 Born To Run show in England is an excellent representation of what makes them great - before many of the machinations became cliche.
U2 is similar. For example, the Zoo Tv show at RFK may have been the best concert I've ever been to. But watching the DVD now, the whole thing looks retarded. Things get lost in translation over time.
And on that note, you're going to have a lot of trouble convincing people ten years from now that MCR and FOB weren't jokes. You'll be like a Creed or Limp Bizkit fan is today.
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Maybe if Springsteen started wearing mascara Brian would like him.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Springsteen hasn't put out anything worthy of a second listening since Nebraska.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Springsteen hasn't put out anything worthy of a second listening since Nebraska.
Agreed. [/b]
Respectfully disagree. Tunnel of Love is pretty damn good. And every other album has at least a few songs that are worth it.
As a long time Bruce fan, I do see a few of Brians points about the fan base. There are a lot of 40-55 yr olds who will blindly follow Bruce just as they will the Police, the Stones, The re-invnted Pumpkins, etc.; Brian you'll likely do the same in 15-20 years too.
I do recall much nonchalance when Bruce has extolled the virtues of the foodbanks, or boos when he rails about the failings of Bush, by those Brian refers to as SUV driving private school sending parents. They are definitely there. But then again, most folks still dont understand what Born in the USA was really about anyway.
At $75 a pop plus fees, it aint as blue collar as Bruce likes to think. Although, all seats are the same price, so its better than most big acts who have the scale pricing. And at 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hour shows its (IMO) well worth it. And maybe in your opinion Brian its fake, but it has certainly never felt fake to me. He works for his money and I've never felt cheated after leaving a Bruce show; I can't say that with too many live acts I've seen out there; and I work at the club.
Radio Nowhere? Not impressed; could have been on Human Touch or Lucky Town. I was hopeful that following Devils and Dust and the Seeger Sessions, Bruce was going to "age gracefully".
I'm hopeful for the rest of the album and will no doubt be at the phone booth in November.
To quote from Wikipedia: "He finds grandeur in the struggles of daily life." Its as simple as that.
But the dudes going to be 57 later this month, at what point does he (even to us BIG fans) become the caricuture of himself that Brian is accusing him of being now??
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Originally posted by chaz:
I never even said whether or not I like the boss or not. I could care less whether you like him or not or love fallout boy or whatever lame or great bands you may listen to. It's your robot like contrarian responses that are funny. Dead give away for adolescense (whether or not you are an adolescent or just act like one I don't know).
seconded. I also never said anything about whether or not I like the Boss. I simply wondered how somebody could be so vehemently against "what Bruce stands for" when it seems to be nothing but positive.
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What is the great sin of private school?
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Anyone know when tix for the dc date go on sale??
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chaz: see the Just Announced thread (might be one page back).
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Originally posted by chaz:
Anyone know when tix for the dc date go on sale??
9/21
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
I just want to hear some good lyrics?
I like Springsteen, some of his stuff, it's really his meshback fans that are the problem. But it's interesting to look at his early stuff, characterized by complex, one might say excessive at times, lyrics, and then look at how over time it all diminished.
They're like Sesame Street characters aren't they?
lol
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I don't know. I kinda like the song.
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PS, "Spirits in the Night" is the best ode to wanton teenage sex that's out there!
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Originally posted by Mobius:
And on that note, you're going to have a lot of trouble convincing people ten years from now that MCR and FOB weren't jokes.
Mobius, he can't even do that today!
Seriously though, (and here goes every shred of hipster cred that I might have) for the most part, I agree with most of what Brian wrote regarding Springsteen. Can't stand the guy myself. (His music, that is, not him personally as he does come off as a good guy.) He totally turned me off way, way back in his very early days probably before most of the members of this forum were even born. Nothing about his music resonates with me. None of it. No, I'm not a Communist nor am I anti-American in any way, shape or form. I'm middle class, middle aged and do get him. I just don't want him. I don't like the man's music or the whole Springsteen thing at all. But I don't begrudge anyone else from being a fan.
Maybe it's the way I'm reading Brian's posts but I'm not picking up on the animosity much at all. Okay, yeah, some but not quite like others seem to be taking him. Also, I don't take any of his slights as personal affronts. If anything, they are just the meanderings of a young guy who feels comfortable enough with us to share his thoughts and seems to take the same kind of crap being thrown right back at him. Maybe I'm the one who is way off. Would love to actually hear Brian say these things. I'm reading it all with a whole lot of cocky humor thrown in which actually has me laughing. (He does have some good comedy going for him and you know how I love the forum crazies.) A lot like when I use to read the NME. They could totally tear apart a band I absolutely love but if the humor outweighed the insults, than I considered it a worthwhile read.
* Brian, you owe me now that my cred is totally flushed down the toilet. :p Just be careful the next time you trash The Beatles because I might have to kick your little whipper-snapper ass into shape!
Jaguar
(Gazing down the hill and laughing at Brian.)
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Brian's posts make sense when you read it in that fashion. He simply does not like his music (beyond the early years) and he's just teeing off on the rock cliches that he has created. This has affronted the sensibilities of anyone who is into Springsteen because for many people, Springsteen has succinctly expressed in lyrics, music, and monologues the excitement that rock music (not just his own) instills in people. The fact that he's been doing this for 35 years probably grates on some people's nerves. But to me anyway he does seem genuine about it. And he does search for something different in each of his albums, many of which are still quite listenable with a gem here and there. No harm done - it's good to get a youth's perspective. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have anyone in his generation that compares however.
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Originally posted by Jammin:
Brian's posts make sense when you read it in that fashion. He simply does not like his music (beyond the early years) and he's just teeing off on the rock cliches that he has created.
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Exactly!!!
Well, that is, if we are reading Brian correctly.
Originally posted by Jammin:
This has affronted the sensibilities of anyone who is into Springsteen because for many people, Springsteen has succinctly expressed in lyrics, music, and monologues the excitement that rock music (not just his own) instills in people.
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Not just Springsteen but any other music he's thrashed that the regulars like. There's a build up and carry over thing going on here, I think.
Originally posted by Jammin:
The fact that he's been doing this for 35 years probably grates on some people's nerves. But to me anyway he does seem genuine about it. And he does search for something different in each of his albums, many of which are still quite listenable with a gem here and there.
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He bores me so much that I don't listen to him closely enough to pick up any differences between albums but I'll give you that one since I don't have a leg to stand on in that matter. The one point I forgot to mention is that I do not agree with Brian calling Sprinsteen fake. He's definitely as genuine as they get. Regardless, the man's music just doesn't do it for me. Period.
Originally posted by Jammin:
No harm done - it's good to get a youth's perspective. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have anyone in his generation that compares however.
Yes...and no. It's great getting a variety of perspectives but I'm not one to believe that any one generation trumps another. There are plenty of very talented young musicians out there today. They just haven't had the time yet to work up a whole lifetime's worth of music to do a fair comparison at this stage.
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I agree that there is a lot of good new music out there, but most artists and music have a limited shelf life. A talent like Springsteen that can remain relevant for a lot of people for so long is very very rare.
As far as today's music, I love indie bands, but except for something like the velvet underground, I don't find myself listening to any indie type music that's older than 10 years. Every music genre has its heyday and for rock that was the 60's and 70's.