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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: yinzer on September 07, 2007, 10:34:00 am
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what in the hell is going on with metro? man, is it a piece of shit! i have lived in DC a total of 5 years as an adult - 3 from 98 - 01 and the last 2 and it has to be patently obvious to anyone involved with metro that it is a disaster and complete disaster waiting to happen. i have been on many cities mass transit/subways and it has to be the worst and that might include chicago's current clusterfuck.
youknowhumsayin? sheezus.
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Originally posted by yinzer:
what in the hell is going on with metro? man, is it a piece of shit! i have lived in DC a total of 5 years as an adult - 3 from 98 - 01 and the last 2 and it has to be patently obvious to anyone involved with metro that it is a disaster and complete disaster waiting to happen. i have been on many cities mass transit/subways and it has to be the worst and that might include chicago's current clusterfuck.
youknowhumsayin? sheezus.
I completely agree. I'd rather sit in traffic than take the metro. It's cheaper for me to drive to work and park for $8 than take the metro for $11.80.
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Yes there is alot to bitch about when it comes to Metro, but having a seat and being able to read my book for 45-50 mins each way each day beats the hell out of being stuck on 395 twice a day. Plus, i'm contributing less to global warming by not driving.
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I kind of love Metro. Sorry you all are having a rough time with it. What are the problems your experiencing?
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Whenever I come down south to DC, I always use the Metro and think it's great. Have you ever seen the mass transportation in other cities? You don't know how good you have it down there.
Geez, what a bunch of whining babies you all are! It COSTS TOO MUCH! I may have to look at someone who's DIRTY! Ah, the complaints of the iPod generation...
Brian
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Here's my list of whining:
1.Underground stations are hot as hell Put the fucking ac on.
2. Too many trains delays because of "sick passengers" Which is odd, though I've been delayed a million times because some other train having a sick passenger, I've never actually been on a train that itself had a sick passenger.
3. It's expensive if you're on a longer ride. Make it a flat rate like in NYC or Chicago.
4. Too many goons blasting their ipods or talking to loudly on their cells or putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
you don't just ask them to move/move their shit?
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Here's my list of whining:
1.Underground stations are hot as hell Put the fucking ac on.
2. Too many trains delays because of "sick passengers" Which is odd, though I've been delayed a million times because some other train having a sick passenger, I've never actually been on a train that itself had a sick passenger.
3. It's expensive if you're on a longer ride. Make it a flat rate like in NYC or Chicago.
4. Too many goons blasting their ipods or talking to loudly on their cells or putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
With the exception of #3, the same could be said of NYC or basically ANY public transportation system.
I like metro except after 7pm on weekdays when there are too few trains, and on weekends when it takes a million years to get anywhere. Not sure why they can't do their track work when the system is CLOSED instead of when people actually want to ride.
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Originally posted by SalParadise:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
you don't just ask them to move/move their shit? [/b]
cleary he doesnt ride the subway in nyc. everyone asks people to move to sit down, or tells them to move their stuff. and must say the nyc subway is much more convenient than DC. dont know about you brian_wallace - but clearly you dont use public transpo in NYC. its much more efficient, runs 24/7, flat rate, and trains running much more frequently. granted they might not be as clean, and its hot as hell during the summer underground, but usually the ac is functioning on the trains. ill take the convenience of 24/7 trains anytime. and $2 anywhere, its a sweet deal. a train from the city to coney island and only $2. thats a sweet deal.
my longest wait is usually on the L from williamsburg to the city. major pain in the arse once you pass 12am, but the wait of 10-20 mins i should be used to, as i swear i was always waiting for the metro.
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Originally posted by SalParadise:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
you don't just ask them to move/move their shit? [/b]
He's worried that he will get beat up, like when he rode the schoolbus as a kid.
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Whenever I come down south to DC, I always use the Metro and think it's great. Have you ever seen the mass transportation in other cities? You don't know how good you have it down there.
Geez, what a bunch of whining babies you all are! It COSTS TOO MUCH! I may have to look at someone who's DIRTY! Ah, the complaints of the iPod generation...
Brian
dude - whatever. you clearly don't ride it very much or during rush hour which is pretty much when reliable service is particularly needed.
for its part, i will say that it seems to run fairly reliably on week nites which is perhaps when you're taking it. weekends are ridiculous...there is track work (see - sharing tracks) every weekend anymore and the fucking thing is closed 6 hrs a nite and 4 on the weekends. hmmmm, you think they'd have some time to do that shit at nite over the years since it isn't on an nyc 24/7 schedule.
as someone who has ridden it for the most part instead of driving to work over the timeframes enunciated in my initial rant made after twiddling my thumbs for 30 minutes this morning on the ol' metro, i can tell you that it is going downhill in a hurry.
don't care 'bout dirty people, really don't care about cost much if it works, and sure as hell ain't in the ipod generation. having ridden subways in nyc, chicago, the bart in sf/bay area, london, berlin, paris, moscow, among others (on my own dime - i state this to preempt the tired and omnipresent boardie accusations of being a rich kid) - let me just tell you homeboy, it doesn't stack up. you might prefer it to that light rail in b-more and i might prefer to the buses in pittsburgh but that isn't saying much. in fact, it's not saying anything. i don't really care about what's going on in cincy either. it's a basic government service on its way to being totally broken and you seem to support that brand of infrastructure negligence. that is of a piece with your fairly regularly spouted nonsense.
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All I can say is I'm glad that I don't live on the Red Line anymore. Rush hour would put me in a horrible mood every day. Trains would be so packed and overcrowded, and there would be times when I would have to wait for 3 or 4 trains to go by before there was room to get on. It was such a clusterfuck. I don't mind Metro TOO much, just depends on what time of day and whether or not it's a week day or weekend. I still think it's better than most cities, but it's not without problems.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Here's my list of whining:
1.Underground stations are hot as hell Put the fucking ac on.
2. Too many trains delays because of "sick passengers" Which is odd, though I've been delayed a million times because some other train having a sick passenger, I've never actually been on a train that itself had a sick passenger.
3. It's expensive if you're on a longer ride. Make it a flat rate like in NYC or Chicago.
4. Too many goons blasting their ipods or talking to loudly on their cells or putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
5. In rush hour you may have to let a train pass by because it's too full.
6. Every other train runs to shady grove even though I'm still paying rush hour fares. So when #5 happens you're really screwed.
7. Crazy guys on the metro. Normally you can ignore them but a few weeks ago one sat next to me (I was on the inside) and he tried really hard to corner me in my seat then tried to brush up against me. I went running to another train car.
8. The trains are so crowded that sometimes I have to stand in the morning leaving shady grove, the first station. It wouldn't be a problem except that means that the train is going to get uncomfortably packed within the next 2 stations.
8. Metro is broke yet they replaced the signs, displays, blinking lights and have a new expensive (LCD?) display at Shady Grove instead of putting the money in to the trains or track.
Things metro is doing right:
1. I caught a quartet performing in the station last night, it was nice.
2. Finally incorporating advertising instead of raising fares.
3. They now have a credit card machine for parking so tourists don't have to buy a smart trip card.
People who don't depend on the metro love it. It's great if you're just trying to get to the mall but if you need to rely on it to get to work or class you're taking a gamble. But this board loves to bet.
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I thought Metro was a private company, not a government service?
Originally posted by yinzer:
it's a basic government service on its way to being totally broken and you seem to support that brand of infrastructure negligence. that is of a piece with your fairly regularly spouted nonsense. [/b]
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I do. And they usually do. Sometimes they refuse. The point is, their shit really shouldn't be there to the point where I'd have to ask. They didn't pay for two seats.
Originally posted by SalParadise:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
you don't just ask them to move/move their shit? [/b]
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I hate the shape of those big ugly hoodie things they built to cover the entrances
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I thought Metro was a private company, not a government service?
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Originally posted by yinzer:
it's a basic government service on its way to being totally broken and you seem to support that brand of infrastructure negligence. that is of a piece with your fairly regularly spouted nonsense.
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wikipedia states, "The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (WMATA) is a tri-jurisdictional government agency authorized by Congress, that operates transit service in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, including the Metrorail. WMATA is jointly funded by the District of Columbia, Virginia, and Maryland."
assuming that info is correct and the wmata website appears to support that - it seems that they can indeed be held accountable as a government sponsored entity if nothing else. wmata receives its revenue from taxpayers, riders, and ads. maybe they need to splash divorce and personal injury lawyer ads all over the place a la nyc to get the fucking thing running properly.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Here's my list of whining:
1.Underground stations are hot as hell Put the fucking ac on.
2. Too many trains delays because of "sick passengers" Which is odd, though I've been delayed a million times because some other train having a sick passenger, I've never actually been on a train that itself had a sick passenger.
3. It's expensive if you're on a longer ride. Make it a flat rate like in NYC or Chicago.
4. Too many goons blasting their ipods or talking to loudly on their cells or putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
RE #3: i'm actually in favor that. maybe the differential is too high, but it makes sense that those who use the metro more should pay a little more. metro would be cheaper if it paired back the system to the higher-use core. plus, it's a tradeoff: to get the perks of living in the burbs - more house for the dollar, backyard with lawn, etc - you pay in other ways, like commute time and commute price. airfare to rome is more expensive than airfare to NYC.
RE #4, people taking up extra seats: can't blame metro for that, it's the fault of inconsiderate people. for once, it's hate the player not the game.
a very minor esthetic complaint that i have of DC's metro: all the stations look the same (at least the downtown ones) i.e. grey ciment fallout bunker. talk about dehumanizing. i love the fact that in NYC i know (or can get an idea of) what station i'm at just by looking out the window and seeing the tile colors. very very minor gripe.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I do. And they usually do.
Originally posted by SalParadise:
you don't just ask them to move/move their shit?
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liar.
kidding.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Originally posted by SalParadise:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
you don't just ask them to move/move their shit? [/b]
cleary he doesnt ride the subway in nyc. everyone asks people to move to sit down, or tells them to move their stuff. and must say the nyc subway is much more convenient than DC. dont know about you brian_wallace - but clearly you dont use public transpo in NYC. its much more efficient, runs 24/7, flat rate, and trains running much more frequently. granted they might not be as clean, and its hot as hell during the summer underground, but usually the ac is functioning on the trains. ill take the convenience of 24/7 trains anytime. and $2 anywhere, its a sweet deal. a train from the city to coney island and only $2. thats a sweet deal.
my longest wait is usually on the L from williamsburg to the city. major pain in the arse once you pass 12am, but the wait of 10-20 mins i should be used to, as i swear i was always waiting for the metro. [/b]
NYC sucks.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I do. And they usually do. Sometimes they refuse. The point is, their shit really shouldn't be there to the point where I'd have to ask. They didn't pay for two seats.
Originally posted by SalParadise:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
putting their feet or bags oin the adjacent seat so that they are taking up two seats.
you don't just ask them to move/move their shit? [/b]
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That's true in pretty much any public place. Go to a bar during happy hour. Go to an airport. Go pretty much anywhere there is a place to sit, and someone will put their bag on it. That gripe isn't unique to Metro. Not Metro's fault that people have no manners any more.
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2 words:
Fuck traffic.
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I park at Rhode Island Ave and take it to Farragut North...it's awesome, because I'm only on there for like 10-15 minutes.
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I work three miles from home, so I usually bike.
Sorry, just rubbing it in.
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Metro is great....unless you are rushing or they are not on time.
You can tell when the games are on because it is crowded and you know 99% of those people don't take Metro on a regular bases and definitely not to Stadium-Armory.
Metro is very simple and if you have gone on other train systems they are basically the same.
You have to learn the ins and outs.....then you will enjoy!!!
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I have no real complaints taking Metro to and from work M-F (take both bus and rail each day) and have only had to exit a train for mechanical issues maybe 2-3 times in over 2.5 years so I don't have much to complain about. But yeah I don't fuck with it after hours, once traffic has died down by 7-8-ish it's FAR more convenient for me to drive into DC from VA to get where I need to go that night.
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And the complaints posted here are pretty much the same with any major city subway system. The last three times I have been in London, there've been massive problems or delays on certain Underground lines during rush hour, and lots and lots of line closures on the weekends. You may complain about the trains coming slowly on the weekends but how much worse would it be if you couldn't take, say, the green line at ALL for an entire weekend? London has a world-class subway system and they have some of the exact same problems as Metro. Including high fares (even worse for us tourists when the exchange rate is down), smelly people, people who don't share the seat, cell phone yakkers, etc etc.
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This should help this thread (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702931.html?hpid=moreheadlines)
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sorry, but you guys need to stop fucking whining. it's public transportation. what do you expect, solid gold toilets?
i do enjoy the flat rate system in new york very much, and yes metro here gets expensive, but deal with it. also, the trains in new york are a LOT HOTTER right now than the trains here.
the bottom line is, metro gets stuck at the most inconvenient times, can be unreliable, and can be overly crowded and a pain in the ass. but in most other cities, they don't even have the luxury of convenient public transportation sites like we do. the public transportation here, in comparison to many other cities, kicks ass. so stop whining and be grateful that we've got what we've got.
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Whenever I come down south to DC, I always use the Metro and think it's great. Have you ever seen the mass transportation in other cities? You don't know how good you have it down there.
Geez, what a bunch of whining babies you all are! It COSTS TOO MUCH! I may have to look at someone who's DIRTY! Ah, the complaints of the iPod generation...
Brian
I love how this guy comes into a thread and takes potshots at it's basic premise, never to return.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
e public transpo in NYC. its much more efficient, runs 24/7, flat rate, and trains running much more frequently
....repeat, and is HOT AS HELL in the stations...maybe the hottest place I've ever been...and smelly. And the trains to Brooklyn over the weekend are always screwy on alternate schedules you have to look up or call for (and Brooklyn is my 'home base' when I'm there...).
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I've never really had a problem with Metro after riding it every weekday for the past 13 months from the burbs to downtown, and I think you're all a bunch of crybabies.
That said, I've been finding those announcements about the "secure trash cans" to be rather funny lately. Just a quick ten second message about how the new trash cans are more secure so you don't have to fear them or something. Were they attacking people before?
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All's I can say is....I love riding the VRE!!!!!!!!!!! And if someone puts a bag on the seat beside them, the conductor will tell them to move it....NIIIIIIICE.
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I am rather fond of SF's Muni system. Obviously it could use a few tweaks and improvements, but it's a great combination of trains and buses that get you anywhere in the city, so if the trains go down, you simply take one of the many buses that go to the same or similar places. And if you want to leave the city, then you take BART.
And if the trains are overcrowded for worktime commute, you can take express buses that stop only intermittently across the city - all for $1.50 a ride or $45 a month. Tough to beat that.
And don't forget the cable cars!
Oh yeah - and we have www.nextmuni.com (http://www.nextmuni.com) to tell me when the next train or bus is coming to my station so I don't have to leave my desk or apt until I know it's coming. Very handy and time saving feature.
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(https://i.redd.it/2g3k9qbrzs651.jpg)
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Try parking in downtown DC
Impossible to find a paid parking spot as they are converting a ton of parking spaces into bike lanes
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(https://i.redd.it/2g3k9qbrzs651.jpg)
who's wet dream does this map belong to?
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I could legitimately take the train from Richmond on the days I need to be in Chevy Chase every month if that was the metro system.
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Try parking in downtown DC
Impossible to find a paid parking spot as they are converting a ton of parking spaces into bike lanes
I know isn't that AWESOME!
Man, I wish that Pink line happened...my closest metro is 3-4 mile walk and I live in Arlington!
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This board used to be a lot more entertaining.
My wife has decided to drive to DC instead of taking Metro, once her office goes back to in-person in July. It's not the most environmental choice, nor is it the most economic choice (her Metro fare was fully subsidized, the 40 miles of gas per day and wear and tear on the car are not) But whatcha gonna do?
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who's wet dream does this map belong to?
I just picked it up from reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/nkwhn9/fantasy_washington_dc_metro_system_map_made_by/
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This board used to be a lot more entertaining.
My wife has decided to drive to DC instead of taking Metro, once her office goes back to in-person in July. It's not the most environmental choice, nor is it the most economic choice (her Metro fare was fully subsidized, the 40 miles of gas per day and wear and tear on the car are not) But whatcha gonna do?
Fascinating and wildly entertaining as always Space..thanks
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"fantasy map" - AKA, i nailed it.