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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sonickteam2 on October 21, 2004, 12:32:00 am
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CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am peeing my pants as i type
i am going to cry, throw up, and i need some goddamn marcaine!
SWEET JESEUS WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!
bring on the Astros.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
bring on the Astros.
hey, fuck off!!!
unless the Cardinals lose of course
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am peeing my pants as i type
i am going to cry, throw up, and i need some goddamn marcaine!
SWEET JESEUS WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!
bring on the Astros.
Congrats Sonick. Like I said in a previous forum yesterday, you deserve it. Truly the best team won. There are no excuses for the Yankees. Enjoy it Sonick! Now go clean up after yourself.
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*doing happy dance*
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A classic moment on CNN Europe this morning.
Sports reporter,
"And now for the sports, the Redsocks stage a great comeback to beat their arch rivals the Yankees to reach the final of the world series"
Anchor person,
"That's very nice, but does anyone really care apart from Americans"
Sports reporter,
"No, but has that ever stopped Americans from talking about themselves?"
I spit my coffee all over the table, much to the amusement of Rory.
Glad the wankees lost, and I suppose it would be nice for the smellysocks to win it all just to piss the wankees off even more, but that's as far as my interest goes to be honest.
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If the Astros win tonight, it will be Massachusetts vs. Texas, just like in the election. Let's hope Boston prevails on both accounts.
And I've been correct in my mlb.com contest predictions about every series thus far. I even had the Sox beating the Yankees in 7. Of course, I also have the Cards beating the Red Sox in 6.
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Where can one see CNN Europe? I'd love to.
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Originally posted by bellenseb:
Where can one see CNN Europe? I'd love to.
I think you might want to be in Europe like Mankie.
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Move to Ireland.
Originally posted by bellenseb:
Where can one see CNN Europe? I'd love to.
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That was a really dumb move, taking Lowe out and putting Pedro in. Fortunately, there was room for error.
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After watching the bullshit for the last 10 days or so, I hope the Red Sox never win. And I don't have a lot of confidence that the Cardinals will win tonight but I really hope they do, not necessarily because I have followed them all my life but just so it ruins the medias nice little storybook Clemens vs. the Red Sox series.
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Why are you so mad Pollard?
i wouldnt mind playing the Cardinals.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
That was a really dumb move, taking Lowe out and putting Pedro in. Fortunately, there was room for error.
That move was the move of the series. The move that shows me that Pedro Martinez is a true Red Sox legend. Pedro has been beaten over and over again in Yankee Stadium and Game 7 comes around, and you know he told Francona "I want to pitch tonight, no matter what" and Francona let him. Sure he didnt stike out the side, but he was blazing 94 mph fastballs, and he stood there and took 55,000 people chanting "whos your daddy" and he didnt have to....he wanted to.
Pedro doesnt always pitch the best....but he has the biggest damn heart of anyone in baseball....i dont care what anyone says.
You have not seen the last of no. 45.
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It shows me Pedro still runs the show, just like he did when Grady Little was the manager.
Now he's not going to be well rested for Game 1. Also, if it was a one or two run game, they would have been screwed.
Pure showboating was all it was. And it almost backfired. Lowe should have pitched the 7th, then Timlin.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
That was a really dumb move, taking Lowe out and putting Pedro in. Fortunately, there was room for error.
That move was the move of the series. The move that shows me that Pedro Martinez is a true Red Sox legend. Pedro has been beaten over and over again in Yankee Stadium and Game 7 comes around, and you know he told Francona "I want to pitch tonight, no matter what" and Francona let him. Sure he didnt stike out the side, but he was blazing 94 mph fastballs, and he stood there and took 55,000 people chanting "whos your daddy" and he didnt have to....he wanted to.
Pedro doesnt always pitch the best....but he has the biggest damn heart of anyone in baseball....i dont care what anyone says.
You have not seen the last of no. 45. [/b]
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Why are you so mad Pollard?
i wouldnt mind playing the Cardinals.
Not really mad, just annoyed at the east coast bias displayed so prominently once again during the ALCS. And I don't like how the hype machine gets behind a certain team winning.
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Yanks' collapse a monumental one
Mike Lupica NY Daily News
Thursday, October 21st, 2004
They finished up a baseball miracle last night, a Boston miracle at Yankee Stadium, a miracle that will be talked about with all curses back in Boston from now on. The Red Sox finished off their miracle and finished off the Yankees and officially became one of the best stories of all time, in any sport, in any ballpark or arena where a team is told that you are never supposed to give up, not even if that team is the Red Sox. Not even if it's the Boston Red Sox and the New York Yankees have owned them as long as they have owned baseball.
Just not last night. And not this week, one of the most amazing weeks in the history of the game. And maybe not ever again.
The Yankees still have all the numbers on the Red Sox, will always have the numbers. The Red Sox now have this: They have now handed the 2004 Yankees the worst loss in the history of their franchise. The Yankees had the Red Sox three games to none. The Red Sox came all the way back and knocked Steinbrenner's Yankees all the way to pitchers and catchers at Legends Field in Tampa.
David Ortiz hit one out in the first inning of Game 7 and Johnny Damon hit a grand slam in the second and then Damon tried to take Javier Vazquez to Gerard Ave. in the fourth. It was 8-0 and 8-1 and 8-3 and 9-3 and finally 10-3 in the ninth. Finally it was Alan Embree, who never got the proper chance to shut down the Yankees in Game 7 last year, against Ruben Sierra, two outs in the bottom of the ninth. And at the stroke of midnight for the 2004, $194 million New York Yankees, Embree got Sierra to ground to Pokey Reese and the Red Sox were the first team in the history of baseball to come all the way back from where they were after the Yankees beat them 19-8 Saturday night.
And maybe, just maybe, back in Boston, Red Sox fans were free at last, whatever happens next week. Because their team had done this to Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez, who sure had his chances in Boston last weekend to put the Yankees in the World Series. Because they came back and won in 12 innings in Game 4 and 14 innings in Game 5, and when they got the Yankees down in New York for the last two games, they walked all over them and never let them up.
"How many times have we walked out of this place with our heads down?" Mike Timlin said on the field afterward. "Finally we walk off this field with our heads high."
They were three outs away from next season in Game 4, and Mariano Rivera had the ball. Rivera came out for the bottom of the ninth and was wild with Kevin Millar and walked him. And no one knew it at the time, not even the truest of true believers in the Red Sox clubhouse, but the Yankees were the ones stumbling now, stumbling down a slippery slope toward next season, falling all over themselves with their $194 million payroll and the notion that the Red Sox could never beat them when the money was on the table.
Then Ortiz hit that Game 4 home run in the 12th, made the kind of swing with everything on the line that A-Rod, who was supposed to go to the Red Sox before he came to the Yankees, never made. Or Gary Sheffield. Or anybody. Then Ortiz knocked in the winning run in Game 5, and Curt Schilling limped out like a baseball Willis Reed, and last night, Derek Lowe, who wasn't even supposed to be in Boston's postseason rotation, gave the richest batting order in the history of baseball one hit over the first six innings. By then it was 8-1.
It went to 8-3 when Terry Francona seemed to have some sort of Grady Little episode and brought Pedro Martinez in for the seventh. But Mark Bellhorn came right back in the eighth and hit another Red Sox home run to make it 9-3 and the Red Sox got an add-on run after that. Then it was counting down toward midnight for the Yankees, with beaten All-Stars everywhere you looked.
"We just kept trying to get to the next day," Lowe said in the interview room.
At the end last night, Red Sox fans began to appear from everywhere near the Red Sox dugout, coming from all corners of the Stadium, as if they were coming around from Kenmore Square onto Yawkey Way. They chanted for the Red Sox and sang one of Boston's crazy baseball anthems, "Sweet Caroline." They held up Johnny Damon T-shirts and Red Sox home uniforms and even chanted, real loud, "Who's Your Daddy?" while their team celebrated and sprayed champagne on the field at Yankee Stadium the way the Marlins did last October.
All this money spent, three times more than most teams. And at the end, Torre couldn't buy the one hit he needed. Couldn't get the outs he needed. Did not trust Tom Gordon and Paul Quantrill, who both had pitched a million innings during the regular season. He had to throw a $15 million shot case like Kevin Brown in the biggest game of the year. Brown had nothing. Javier Vazquez, whom the Yankees wanted more than Schilling, had nothing, and the Yankees were never in the game, not for a New York minute. Now Steinbrenner has spent - what? - about three-quarters of a billion since 2000 on teams that couldn't deliver a World Series.
Somehow the Red Sox end up in the World Series, end up better off with Manny Ramirez on their team instead of Alex Rodriguez. Somehow the Red Sox came from 0-3 down and finally beat the Yankees at Yankee Stadium, which sounded like downtown Boston at the end. Sounded like Fenway Park.
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Don't get me wrong though, I think what the red sox did was amazing.
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Don't you think there is a midwest (or whereever the hell St. Louis is :D ) bias in St. Louis?
I was on a plane to Chicago during the first round, and there were a couple of mudwesterners on the plane, and all they talked about was the Cards.
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Why are you so mad Pollard?
i wouldnt mind playing the Cardinals.
Not really mad, just annoyed at the east coast bias displayed so prominently once again during the ALCS. And I don't like how the hype machine gets behind a certain team winning. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Don't you think there is a midwest (or whereever the hell St. Louis is :D ) bias in St. Louis?
I was on a plane to Chicago during the first round, and there were a couple of mudwesterners on the plane, and all they talked about was the Cards.
when two lcs games were on at the same time, something like 87% of the country got the ALCS game, the media hyped the red sox yankees so much even my mom was following their games, and she doesnt watch baseball, she does get caught up in hype though
When I first came to the east coast for college from the midwest, it was alarming how little attention people here even pay to the fact that there is part of the country that is not in the northeast. Especially New Yorkers.
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come on, if this is the season for the red sox to exorcise demons, then the only fitting way for this to end is game 7, in fenway, against clemens and the astros.
sorry pollard. :)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
come on, if this is the season for the red sox to exorcise demons, then the only fitting way for this to end is game 7, in fenway, against clemens and the astros.
thats the bullshit i am talking about, how do normally reasonable people say this bullshit with a straight face
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Oh and the Astros have never won a world series, what about the poor suffering Astros, what is their curse.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Oh and the Astros have never won a world series, what about the poor suffering Astros, what is their curse.
their curse is that they play in houston.
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Originally posted by pollard:
the poor suffering Astros, what is their curse.
that stupid dome they used to play in. really. why does Houston need a dome? and those old uniforms? oh lord. they looked like the old Tampa Bay Bucaneers. and played like them too!
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by pollard:
the poor suffering Astros, what is their curse.
that stupid dome they used to play in. really. why does Houston need a dome? and those old uniforms? oh lord. they looked like the old Tampa Bay Bucaneers. and played like them too! [/b]
actually, houston did need a dome. . .the summer in houston is not friendly to being outside. you have 95 degree weather, with 99 percent humidity and swarms of mosquitos. read the story of the old colt 45s and playing colt stadium - it was a miserable experience. and houston gets alot of rain. . .the astrodome is the sight of the only rain out of a game at a domed stadium in baseball history- the parking lot was flooded and no one could get to the stadium.
the uniforms were more reminiscent of the colour sceme for der wienerschnitzel. . . .mmmmm, chili dogs.
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Daniel Snyderâ?¦Clear Channelâ?¦George Steinbrennerâ?¦take noteâ?¦
you can't buy success
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Daniel Snyderâ?¦Clear Channelâ?¦George Steinbrennerâ?¦take noteâ?¦
you can't buy success
the red sox did, they hardly have a cheap team
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Sure you can. The top 2 paying teams in the AL were in the ALCS. Nine of the top 10 paying teams had winning records. And 10 of the bottom 11 paying teams had losing records.
1. NY Yankees 183,335,513
2. Boston 125,208,542
3. Anaheim 101,909,667
4. NY Mets 95,754,304
5. Philadelphia 93,219,167
6. Chicago Cubs 91,101,667
7. Los Angeles 89,694,343
8. Atlanta 88,507,788
9. San Francisco 82,019,166
10. St. Louis 81,008,517
11. Seattle 78,483,834
12. Houston 74,666,303
13. Arizona 70,204,984
14. Colorado 68,610,403
15. Chicago Sox 68,262,500
16. San Diego 63,689,503
17. Texas 59,845,973
18. Oakland 59,825,167
19. Minnesota 53,585,000
20. Toronto 50,017,000
21. Detroit 49,828,554
22. Baltimore 49,212,653
23. Kansas City 47,609,000
24. Montreal 43,197,500
25. Cincinnati 42,722,858
26. Florida 42,118,042
27. Pittsburgh 40,227,929
28. Cleveland 34,569,300
29. Tampa Bay 28,706,667
30. Milwaukee 27,518,500
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Daniel Snyderâ?¦Clear Channelâ?¦George Steinbrennerâ?¦take noteâ?¦
you can't buy success
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very true. and now that this has happened, you really kind of look back and see...it was all building up to this. Losing in Arizona, Anaheim, losing to Florida, but still going with the same old scheme. It was only a matter of time until it completely backfired.
The Yankees have been overachieving for years i think.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Daniel Snyderâ?¦Clear Channelâ?¦George Steinbrennerâ?¦take noteâ?¦
you can't buy success
the red sox did, they hardly have a cheap team [/b]
they hardly had a 180 million dollar team though.
you cant buy success, but you also cant compete if you're a cheap SOB.
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Yes, but they paid around 60% more than the third highest paying AL team (Seattle).
NY and Boston are in a class by themselves when it comes to spending.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Daniel Snyderâ?¦Clear Channelâ?¦George Steinbrennerâ?¦take noteâ?¦
you can't buy success
the red sox did, they hardly have a cheap team [/b]
they hardly had a 180 million dollar team though.
you cant buy success, but you also cant compete if you're a cheap SOB. [/b]
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So here at my work, there are 3 Yankees fans. Last week, all they were talking about was sweeping us and the curse and curt schilling, blah blah blah.
and yesterday and today, all three denied watching either Game 6 OR Game 7.....one fell asleep, the other said "i was sick" and the other said "i was busy".
WHAT????? you arent even watching the games?
bullshit.
you should see them here today. the poor guys dont even know how to lose, they've never done it!!!!
today is a beautiful day
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If I'm not mistaken, they haven't won the World Series since 2000.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
you should see them here today. the poor guys dont even know how to lose, they've never done it!!!!
today is a beautiful day
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If I'm not mistaken, they haven't won the World Series since 2000.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
you should see them here today. the poor guys dont even know how to lose, they've never done it!!!!
today is a beautiful day
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but how many Yankees fans had to come to work to the Marlins fans last year.
i dont know one single marlins fan. sure, they've lost to some random teams in the WS, but not like this.
in fact, no one has lost like this before. ever.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Yes, but they paid around 60% more than the third highest paying AL team (Seattle).
NY and Boston are in a class by themselves when it comes to spending.
not to be picky, but i know that vansmack would point this out.. .seattle is the 4th highest spending AL team, behind yankees, red sox and anaheim.
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Southern California won't even count once the "big one" hits.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Yes, but they paid around 60% more than the third highest paying AL team (Seattle).
NY and Boston are in a class by themselves when it comes to spending.
not to be picky, but i know that vansmack would point this out.. .seattle is the 4th highest spending AL team, behind yankees, red sox and anaheim. [/b]
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wheres Rob Gee?
does someone need to give him the heimlich?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Southern California won't even count once the "big one" hits.
we can only hope for that day to come.
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Man, what a hangover I have. Great game, great series. I hope all the Yankee fans go crawl in a hole and die. And take the media with them. It has nothing to do with them anymore, it is finally all about us. Go Sox!!
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Covers of today's NYC papers (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/playoffs04/nycovers_1021/) :D
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lets go national league!!! i jinx the yankees by prepareing for their victory...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
wheres Rob Gee?
I recall him saying in another thread a little while ago that he was going to Bermuda.
And I remember this because I've always wanted to go there. ;)
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Covers of today's NYC papers (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/playoffs04/nycovers_1021/) :)
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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wow, talk about cheesy, I just read this on the St. Louis newspaper's forum, apparently it made its way to Larussa and some of the team.
NOT TODAY
Busch Stadium is not our house.
So I will not waste your time this morning talking about the importance of the Cardinals protecting our house in Game 6 of the NLCS. I will not broach the obscentity of seeing Houston players spilling champagne on our living-room carpet.
Busch Stadium is not our house.
It's much more important than that.
It's where many of us watched our first game, caught our first foul ball, begged for our first autograph.
It's where Gibby ruled the mound, where Brock ran like the wind, and where Ozzie made all the folks go crazy.
It's where the El Birdos dominated, where Sutter struck out the last batter of 1982, where Mike Shannon has worked since the joint opened in 1966.
The Ol' Redhead managed there. Stan the Man played his harmonica there. The White Rat led us back to glory there.
This is where Gussie drove the Clydesdales, where Willie McGee tracked down fly balls, where Joaquin Andujar summed up his philosophy of life in one simple word: Youneverknow.
This is where Big Mac smacked No. 70, where Tommy Lawless flipped his bat, where GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY...BRUMMER'S STEALING HOME!!!!!!!
This is where the greatest St. Louis team in Busch Stadium's history performed. That's right, the 2004 Cardinals. They had the best home-record, the best record in baseball. Right on that field.
Ted Simmons played there. Kenny Boyer managed there. And a beloved old man in a bright red jacket told a mournful nation why it was good and right to play baseball after Sept. 11.
My friends, Jack Buck's coffin rested on that field. Daryl Kile pitched his last game there. And many of us cannot walk into that stadium without thinking of loved ones who are no longer with us.
Not today.
We don't lose today.
Not against the Houston Astros. Not against a pitcher named Pete Munro. Not against a wild-card team.
Not in Busch Stadium.
No, it's not our house.
It's simply the place where our memories congregate, where our baseball dreams are stored, where the voices of millions of fans and the ghosts of seasons past await their call to arms.
Folks, it's time to wake 'em up.
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This is the year.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
wheres Rob Gee?
does someone need to give him the heimlich?
He's in Bermuda, remember?
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Originally posted by hitman:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
wheres Rob Gee?
does someone need to give him the heimlich?
He's in Bermuda, remember? [/b]
man. i tell ya. Yankees fans are hard to find all of a sudden. i thought they were everywhere last week, now i cant find one!!!!!
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Here's a Yankees fan who was at the game last night (and at Game 6 of the WS last year). Congratulations. The Sox played well enough to win, and the Yankees did not. End of story. In fact, I agree with much of what was written here, with the exception of whomever said that Pedro has the biggest heart in baseball. That's just absurd, as he doesn't even have the biggest heart on his team.
Sonick, since you always say that history doesn't mean shit, and that it doesn't matter unless you win the Series, does that mean that the Sox's season is a waste if they don't win the series?
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Originally posted by keithstg:
whomever said that Pedro has the biggest heart in baseball. That's just absurd, as he doesn't even have the biggest heart on his team.
Sonick, since you always say that history doesn't mean shit, and that it doesn't matter unless you win the Series, does that mean that the Sox's season is a waste if they don't win the series?
i said that, and he does.
and this year, the season is all about beating the Yankees. thats what is about. right now, today, i dont even care if the World Series gets cancelled. I am sure I'll feel differently on Sat though.
i dont recall saying it doesnt matter unless you win the series though.
but no matter what happens next week, Boston beat the Yankees, we partied in the house that Ruth built, we silenced the unsilencable Yankees
now about those damn "1918" chants....
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the yankees will never be silent until you can do it again and prove it wasn't a fluke.
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Originally posted by flawd101:
the yankees will never be silent until you can do it again and prove it wasn't a fluke.
whatever
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Hey Sonick, Good luck against the Astros :D
Actually I find trash talking to be idiotic so you won't get any from me, should be a fun series.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by hitman:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
wheres Rob Gee?
does someone need to give him the heimlich?
He's in Bermuda, remember? [/b]
man. i tell ya. Yankees fans are hard to find all of a sudden. i thought they were everywhere last week, now i cant find one!!!!! [/b]
You got one here. I'm hitman and I'm a Yankees fan and proud of it. However I may be ashamed at their hack play in Game 6 and at their poor performance through 6 and 7, I am man enough to take the crap, and can say with my head held high, that the best team won.
It would have been neat to see an all Wild Card World Series though...
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Go Cards!!
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Originally posted by pollard:
Hey Sonick, Good luck against the Astros :)
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It figures the only 1 in the top 10 that had another TERRIBLE year is my beloved Mets.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sure you can. The top 2 paying teams in the AL were in the ALCS. Nine of the top 10 paying teams had winning records. And 10 of the bottom 11 paying teams had losing records.
1. NY Yankees 183,335,513
2. Boston 125,208,542
3. Anaheim 101,909,667
4. NY Mets 95,754,304
5. Philadelphia 93,219,167
6. Chicago Cubs 91,101,667
7. Los Angeles 89,694,343
8. Atlanta 88,507,788
9. San Francisco 82,019,166
10. St. Louis 81,008,517
11. Seattle 78,483,834
12. Houston 74,666,303
13. Arizona 70,204,984
14. Colorado 68,610,403
15. Chicago Sox 68,262,500
16. San Diego 63,689,503
17. Texas 59,845,973
18. Oakland 59,825,167
19. Minnesota 53,585,000
20. Toronto 50,017,000
21. Detroit 49,828,554
22. Baltimore 49,212,653
23. Kansas City 47,609,000
24. Montreal 43,197,500
25. Cincinnati 42,722,858
26. Florida 42,118,042
27. Pittsburgh 40,227,929
28. Cleveland 34,569,300
29. Tampa Bay 28,706,667
30. Milwaukee 27,518,500
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Daniel Snyderâ?¦Clear Channelâ?¦George Steinbrennerâ?¦take noteâ?¦
you can't buy success
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There are people living in the midwest!?!!?
:D ) bias in St. Louis?
I was on a plane to Chicago during the first round, and there were a couple of mudwesterners on the plane, and all they talked about was the Cards.[/b][/quote]when two lcs games were on at the same time, something like 87% of the country got the ALCS game, the media hyped the red sox yankees so much even my mom was following their games, and she doesnt watch baseball, she does get caught up in hype though
When I first came to the east coast for college from the midwest, it was alarming how little attention people here even pay to the fact that there is part of the country that is not in the northeast. Especially New Yorkers. [/b][/quote]
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There are. Until they get the hell out of there, come the the East Coast for college, then bitch about East Coast people who prefer the East Coast.
Originally posted by Jagernaut:
There are people living in the midwest!?!!?
:D ) bias in St. Louis?
I was on a plane to Chicago during the first round, and there were a couple of mudwesterners on the plane, and all they talked about was the Cards.
when two lcs games were on at the same time, something like 87% of the country got the ALCS game, the media hyped the red sox yankees so much even my mom was following their games, and she doesnt watch baseball, she does get caught up in hype though
When I first came to the east coast for college from the midwest, it was alarming how little attention people here even pay to the fact that there is part of the country that is not in the northeast. Especially New Yorkers. [/b][/quote][/b][/quote]
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isnt America great!!!
City may ban sales of drinks in Series
By Andrea Estes, Globe Staff | October 22, 2004
Mayor Thomas M. Menino, blaming "knuckleheads" for the disorder that led to a death and several injuries after Wednesday's Red Sox victory, said the city is considering "drastic measures," including banning liquor sales, to ensure that World Series crowds do not turn violent.
Menino said he may invoke a state law, never before used in Boston, allowing him to ban the sale or distribution of alcohol "in cases of riot or great public excitement." Menino also said that he will ask bar and restaurant operators today to ban live television coverage during games, because it incites fans.
Attributing the mayhem to "thugs," Menino said he also has urged area college and university officials to immediately expel any students identified as taking part in street disturbances.
"Since people won't act responsibly, I, as mayor, will take it into my own hands," he said of measures planned for series games. "The kids out there, they're adults. . . . They have a responsibility to make sure this goes off well."
As city councilors urged more police presence during the World Series, potentially with the help of officers from other cities, Menino dismissed possibilities including curfews or bringing in the National Guard.
And although he called the death of an Emerson College student yesterday a profound tragedy, he played down worries that World Series crowds could be worse. "Honestly, I don't think the intensity will be there," Menino said. "There was real animosity toward the Yankees."
The possibility of shutting off liquor sales during the World Series, which begins tomorrow and Sunday at Fenway and could come back to Boston next week for potential Game 6 and 7, drew criticism from restaurant owners.
"If you shut down the bars, the problem will get worse," said Alan Eisner, executive director of the Massachusetts Hospitality Association. "At least in a licensed premise you have supervision."
Many clubs and bars around Fenway Park were not even open Wednesday night, he said, adding that drinking occurs in dorms and at house parties.
Menino planned to meet with bar and nightclub owners today. A lawyer who represents bar operators said the owners are likely to resist a ban on alcohol sales during the World Series, because it would eat into a large share of much-needed business.
"This is a big deal for a lot of the bars and restaurants that have been very slow," said the lawyer, who asked not to be identified.
Other industry representatives said bar owners also probably would protest loudly if Menino bans alcohol sales in bars but allows sales in Fenway. Menino said yesterday he did not know whether any alcohol ban would apply inside Fenway Park.
"There are 33,500 people in the park, and alcohol might not be banned, but it's banned outside?" said Peter Christie, president of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association. "That doesn't make a lot of sense. . . . Barring drinking in a controlled environment would be like throwing kerosene on smoking coals. It may . . . force people who want to drink to go someplace else."
In Brookline, town officials said they are not considering banning liquor sales during the World Series, raising the possibility that fans in the Fenway area will migrate across city lines.
Bar owners said they fear that bars and liquor stores in neighboring communities would reap the rewards of a Boston alcohol ban.
"Brookline will definitely make out," said Nick Daponde, assistant general manager of the Boston Billiards Club.
City residents waiting in line for World Series tickets also expressed opposition to the idea.
"Prohibition laws were stupid in the 1700s, and they are stupid now," said Brendan Ryan, 26. "People will just drink at home. And by the way, liquor doesn't make people idiots. The idiots already exist."
Meanwhile, Councilor Michael Ross, who represents the Back Bay, urged officials to deploy as many police during World Series games as were assigned to the Democratic convention.
Red Sox owners have agreed to put on additional private police details at Fenway games during the series, city officials said. Also, Red Sox players will appear in public service ads urging calm.
Globe staff writer Megan Tench and Globe correspondent Heather Allen contributed to this report.
© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
There are. Until they get the hell out of there, come the the East Coast for college, then bitch about East Coast people who prefer the East Coast.
There is a difference between preferring the East Coast and being oblivious to the rest of the country.
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thats funny. A-Rod is the Anti-Babe
we have/had the curse of the Babe, they now have the curse of the A-Rod.
see you clowns in 2090!!!
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world series ranked by espn's page 2:
http://espn.go.com/swf/mlb/anniversary/worldseries_100.html (http://espn.go.com/swf/mlb/anniversary/worldseries_100.html)
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http://www.wwjdd.org/ (http://www.wwjdd.org/)
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Soxaholix (http://www.soxaholix.com/tp/)
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maybe he can help (from today's page 2):
today, we give the Cardinals equal time by putting our microphone in front of Missouri native and U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft ...
"Even though they're down 3-0, I'm not giving up on my Redbirds. They've won four games in a row several times this season, and the Red Sox proved against the Yankees that a team can come back after losing the first three games of a series. Besides, when you lose a Senate race to a dead man like I did four years ago, you learn it's never over until it's over.
"Anyway, it's not like the Cardinals are playing that badly. They barely got beat in Game 1, and they had a couple chances to break things open the last two games, too. They've just had some bad breaks. All they need is to get a couple clutch hits tonight, and they're going to be just fine. And who knows, maybe I'll have someone in my department take a long hard look at David Ortiz's visa status.
"Ha, I'm just joking. I would never do that. That would be an abuse of power. But all the 'i's better be dotted and all the 't's better be crossed and all the documents better be in order there, if you know what I mean. And I think you do.
"As much as I'm pulling for the Cardinals, I'm just glad that no player implicated in the BALCO case made it to the World Series. Steroids are a plague in this country, and this administration has made it a priority to rid them from all sports. Cheaters will be caught and they will be punished and they will be banned from competition. I shouldn't comment on an ongoing investigation, and I'm told that you're innocent until proven guilty in this country; so the only further thing I'll say on the subject is this: If you have Barry Bonds on your fantasy team, you might want to trade him this winter.
"Aside from the Cardinals being down 3-0, the other disappointing thing for me is that neither team asked me to sing 'God Bless America' during the seventh-inning stretch. I'm not too humble to say that I have a pretty good singing voice. I think it's a shame that I didn't get an invitation while the Red Sox let drug addicts like Steven Tyler and James Taylor get in front of the microphone to sing our national anthem. But what do you expect from a team that lets their players run around with hair like that. If you ask me, that's what's wrong with this country.
"Well, that, and the capital gains tax."
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
world series ranked by espn's page 2:
http://espn.go.com/swf/mlb/anniversary/worldseries_100.html (http://espn.go.com/swf/mlb/anniversary/worldseries_100.html)
I'm very proud to be #10!
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
http://www.wwjdd.org/ (http://www.wwjdd.org/)
On last week's Bill Maher show, he said something to the effect of, "If Schilling wants to thank Jesus, all he has to do is turn to the centerfield!"
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
world series ranked by espn's page 2:
http://espn.go.com/swf/mlb/anniversary/worldseries_100.html (http://espn.go.com/swf/mlb/anniversary/worldseries_100.html)
I'm very proud to be #10! [/b]
Likewise, proud to see 4,7,9, but a bit surprised that '96 didn't rank higher.
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so where do you think this one would rank?
if it ends tonight....
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
so where do you think this one would rank?
if it ends tonight....
Based just on the games, and not on the end of the "curse" or whatever: somewhere in the 70s-80s. Taking into account the whole Red Sox finally win thing, maybe into the top 15...
The ALCS was much more exciting than this WS has been...
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this picture pretty much sums it up.
i really hope he doesnt go.
<img src="http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2004/1027/photo/top_041027b.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
so where do you think this one would rank?
if it ends tonight....
Based just on the games, and not on the end of the "curse" or whatever: somewhere in the 70s-80s. Taking into account the whole Red Sox finally win thing, maybe into the top 15...
The ALCS was much more exciting than this WS has been... [/b]
yeah, this hasn't been the most exciting of world series. well, look at where they ranked the 89 series, and that had an earthquake.
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Is there a World Series going on? I must have wiped it from my memory.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Is there a World Series going on? I must have wiped it from my memory.
you're just standing on 3rd base....mesmerized!
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
you're just standing on 3rd base....mesmerized!
ouch
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
you're just standing on 3rd base....mesmerized!
ouch [/b]
sorry, i didnt mean that.
it happens
but here i sit....charging my cell phone, buying champagne on the way home from work....gathering, oh I'd say about 20 ppl in my house tonight, and my highly flammable Babe Ruth poster is ready to go up tonight.
whew.....
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
sorry, i didnt mean that.
it happens
but here i sit....charging my cell phone, buying champagne on the way home from work....gathering, oh I'd say about 20 ppl in my house tonight, and my highly flammable Babe Ruth poster is ready to go up tonight.
whew.....
enjoy, I dont think I will be able to bring myself to watch
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
this picture pretty much sums it up.
i really hope he doesnt go.
<img src="http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2004/1027/photo/top_041027b.jpg" alt=" - " />
Pedro is gone - face it. Theo is way to smart to re-sign him for what he'll be asking. Besides, you don't want a 33 year old Pedro for $20M a year.
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Pedro needs to lose that nasty hair.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Pedro is gone - face it. Theo is way to smart to re-sign him for what he'll be asking. Besides, you don't want a 33 year old Pedro for $20M a year.
i wont face it, til i have to. :(
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I'm not a fan of baseball, but I really do hope the Boston Red Sox win it all tonight!
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
you're just standing on 3rd base....mesmerized!
ouch [/b]
sorry, i didnt mean that.
it happens
but here i sit....charging my cell phone, buying champagne on the way home from work....gathering, oh I'd say about 20 ppl in my house tonight, and my highly flammable Babe Ruth poster is ready to go up tonight.
whew..... [/b]
You didn't invite me :(
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Originally posted by redsock:
You didn't invite me :)
you know my number though if you wanna party with 12 Canadian/New Englanders and some other crazy sorts.
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Well here I am back from Bermuda and am really happy to see that Sonick is thinking of me. First, congrat's Sonick, It was a great comeback and not the greatest moment for us Yankee fans but ya know what, life goes on. We can't win it every year, and I don't expect to. So enjoy the moment. They will be back. Nineteen more of these and you'll catch up to that, but I know you don't care about history so I won't waste my time with it. Being in Bermuda made it alot easier for me cause I was on the beach all day and didnt have my own tv to throw out the window. So again, congrats. It looks like the Card's are gonna be easy work for them. As for the Pedro has heart comment, sorry buddy, but thats the silliest statement I've heard in awhile. A guy comes out for one inning of a blowout game, gives up two runs just to show up the crowd. Didnt happen, Yes they won, but with no help from him. Schilling has heart....Yes, definetely. Ortiz has heart....Hell yeah, he single handidly beat the Yankees. Pedro is just a head hunting chump. He pitched well last night though, I'll give him that. What else? Oh yeah the payroll deal, I don't know how the second highest payroll team can complain about the highest. That only means that about 30 other teams can whine about the Red Sox payroll. Lastly, I don't know about Yankee fans at your work, but before I left for Bermuda, the Yank's were up 3-0 and I don't remember any Yankee fans here saying one thing about it. I could be wrong but I was specifically looking for comments and not one of us said anything. I personally didnt say anything cause I knew the Sox had the offense to come back. What cracks me up really bad is I was talking to my buddy from Weymouth, Mass. the day before I left. I told him the series wasn't over and he said that it was and he'd be happy if they won just one game to make it look respectable. Not one Red Sox positive comment came from his mouth. What happened when I got back from Bermuda? A message on my machine with him yelling and screaming and putting it in my face. This is typical of New Englanders. Why would you do that to someone who encouraged you to stick with your team? Thats why I didnt brag about Boone's home run last year, what comes around, goes around. Anyways, thats enough from me, It was hard coming back to the States, but it had to be done.
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Did you leave your ENTER key in Bermuda?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Did you leave your ENTER key in Bermuda?
A-Rod smacked it right off of his keyboard!
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Ugh, fuckin' Scott Stapp.
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FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!
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Who was Jimmy Fallon making out with?
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Yay - I was at Cafe Saint-Ex tonight watching and near the end I felt like I could start biting my nails!
I'm glad they won it all!
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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So......if the Redsox won, congratulations first and foremost, but.....what happened to this 'curse'??? I say there was no curse, I say they just sucked balls for the last 600 years or whatever it was.
How do you feel today Wankee fans? ;)
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
So......if the Redsox won, congratulations first and foremost, but.....what happened to this 'curse'??? I say there was no curse, I say they just sucked balls for the last 600 years or whatever it was.
How do you feel today Wankee fans? ;)
This Yankee fan feels fine. The Sox played well, and won. Congrats to them.
Like Rob said, no Yankee fan was talking trash when the Yanks were up 3-0 on the Sox, and this Yankee fan will not say anything now. Enjoy the victory - Only 4 1/2 months till pitchers and catchers!
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Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
Who was Jimmy Fallon making out with?
Drew Barrymore...guess she's through with the guy from the Strokes!
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They were shooting a Farrrely Brothers movie about a Red Sox fan.
Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
Who was Jimmy Fallon making out with?
Drew Barrymore...guess she's through with the guy from the Strokes! [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
They were shooting a Farrrely Brothers movie about a Red Sox fan.
Darn! That would have been fun gossip for an hour.
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Pedro will be an overpaid Yankee next year.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Pedro will be an overpaid Yankee next year.
Not a chance in hell. Care to wager on it?
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Like Rob said, no Yankee fan was talking trash when the Yanks were up 3-0 on the Sox,
you know them all? i can assure you they were talking trash after Game 1 and 2. and although i didnt see any between game 3 and 4, on the nights of games 5, 6 and 7 they informed me..."your boys are going down tonight"
in fact, on my way home from work before Game 7, some Yankees fan pulled up next to me in traffic, honked his horn, rolled down his window and said... "1918" to me.
look, this is the happiest day in my sports watching life so i cant argue with anyone today, i am just speaking the truth
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Not one Red Sox positive comment came from his mouth.
what positive comment could you possibly have about that team that played games 1,2 and 3....i mean really. they were atrocious!
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I wonder how short they'll make him cut his ratty hair...looks like most of the team are free agents.
http://www.robbyzworld.com/mlbfreeagents2004/bosfreeagents.htm (http://www.robbyzworld.com/mlbfreeagents2004/bosfreeagents.htm)
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Pedro will be an overpaid Yankee next year.
Not a chance in hell. Care to wager on it? [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I wonder how short they'll make him cut his ratty hair...looks like most of the team are free agents.
http://www.robbyzworld.com/mlbfreeagents2004/bosfreeagents.htm (http://www.robbyzworld.com/mlbfreeagents2004/bosfreeagents.htm)
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Pedro will be an overpaid Yankee next year.
Not a chance in hell. Care to wager on it? [/b]
[/b]
He won't have to cut his hair, because I think he'll be in Anaheim, not NY. At this point I see NY making a play for Beltran and for Odalis Perez. They need a lefthanded starter more than another righty...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by keithstg:
Like Rob said, no Yankee fan was talking trash when the Yanks were up 3-0 on the Sox,
you know them all? i can assure you they were talking trash after Game 1 and 2. and although i didnt see any between game 3 and 4, on the nights of games 5, 6 and 7 they informed me..."your boys are going down tonight"
in fact, on my way home from work before Game 7, some Yankees fan pulled up next to me in traffic, honked his horn, rolled down his window and said... "1918" to me.
look, this is the happiest day in my sports watching life so i cant argue with anyone today, i am just speaking the truth [/b]
I meant no Yankee fan on the forum. My apologies for not being clear enough.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
I meant no Yankee fan on the forum. My apologies for not being clear enough.
gotcha. and i think the sox fans have been mostly as gracious!
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I think the only thing funny I have got out of this World Series is when somebody said after seeing Keith Tkachuk at the World Series in his red sox garb, "Its the only playoff game he has ever shown up for."
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Originally posted by pollard:
I think the only thing funny I have got out of this World Series is when somebody said after seeing Keith Tkachuk at the World Series in his red sox garb, "Its the only playoff game he has ever shown up for."
he's usually playing hockey in October.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
he's usually playing hockey in October.
the point is that he never scores much when in the nhl playoffs
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
he's usually playing hockey in October.
the point is that he never scores much when in the nhl playoffs [/b]
ok, i figured i missed the joke in there somewhere ;)
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
How do you feel today Wankee fans? :D
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
How do you feel today Wankee fans? :D [/QB]
sounds like you feel sort of like a Red Sox fan actually.
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Too bad Schilling is going to go campaign for Bush now.
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worst world series ever. it was boring, no excitement.
if only the cardnals actually showed up.
number 3 made the last out...it almost makes it seem set up in order to get ratings for baseball back up...
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Originally posted by flawd101:
worst world series ever. it was boring, no excitement.
if only the cardnals actually showed up.
number 3 made the last out...it almost makes it seem set up in order to get ratings for baseball back up...
Are you a Yankees fan? It seems like you haven't recovered from that loss. I am not a baseball fan, but my guess is that this season will be always remembered, more than for winning the world series again since 1918, for winning a series after being 3-0 behind.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
How do you feel today Wankee fans? :D [/QB]
I tend to agree with the exception of the beach stuff. As much as I love baseball in general, and my team, this is not the end of the world for me. There's always another season...
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ok, the Red Sox are still World Champions
and yesterday felt like New Years Day to me.
huge headache
champagne breath
woke up on living room floor
feeling like today is the start of something new
yup, New Years Day....hahaha.
i think this party will last all weekend.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
They were shooting a Farrrely Brothers movie about a Red Sox fan.
Even worse is that it's a movie based on a great book about, of all things, soccer - Nick Hornby's "Fever Pitch," (which I read almost yearly despite the fact that Hornby's an Aresnal fan).
This is a crock of shit. The book is great, the original movie is horrible (with Colin Firth) and is already called "Fever Pitch" and was already based loosely on the book, and now a US version to be based on baseball?!?!?!
Can anybody come up with an original idea anymore?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
ok, the Red Sox are still World Champions
and yesterday felt like New Years Day to me.
huge headache
champagne breath
woke up on living room floor
feeling like today is the start of something new
yup, New Years Day....hahaha.
i think this party will last all weekend.
Glad your enjoying it buddy. :)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb] Can anybody come up with an original idea anymore? [/b]
Answer is no...just take into consideration all of the damn TV shows made into movies. Going into production now...Miami Vice with Jamie Foxx and I forget what white guy...and Dukes of Hazzard with Jessica Simpson as Daisy Duke...
NO SHIT...
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4 games of complete dominance is boring and not exciting at all. good for the red sox but it wasn't a good world series. it was almost like they were playing toronto or something...
i don't like the yankees but they are bette rthan the red sox.
fuck NOMAR. don't give him a ring. give him a thank you card. he wasn't on the team when they got hot...after he left they became a lot better.
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for anyone who may care
Johnny Damon will be on Letterman tonight.
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