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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: bearman🐻 on January 23, 2006, 12:24:00 pm
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Anyone else going? Anyone need a ticket?
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I'll be at the Snowden showing
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I'm going to see it at Ballston.
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I'm planning on catching the Potomac Yards showing. Do you need advanced tickets?
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is that tonight???? is ballston sold out?
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It's tomorrow night...I'll be at Gallery Place.
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i believe i will be going to the Columbia one. if the girl says its ok. :)
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Originally posted by tinygee:
is that tonight???? is ballston sold out?
I hope not, I didn't get advance tix.
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I didn't even know about it...I could go to Gallery Place. I'll look up the info...
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Bags, if you need a ticket I think I can hook you up. It's at 7:30, but I'm meeting friends at 7pm since I bought some tix...one of my friends bailed today. It would be great to have you join us!
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i'm trying to go down here, but i have to change my work schedule. i wouldn't have thought it'd be playing around here so i didn't look into it. i just found out it was. now it looks like i probably wont' be able to go.
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I've seen the test footage of it...it was only 45 minutes of the presentation, and some of the performances were cut up for the test screening. But its interesting to say the least. Fischerspooner really weirded me out.
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i bought my ticket on fandango for gallery place but i just realized that they're going to ask for id when i go get it. are they bitches about letting people into r-rated movies?
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Originally posted by DemonD82:
But its interesting to say the least. Fischerspooner really weirded me out.
You should see them live. One of the strangest scenes I've ever seen.
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I'll be at the Gallery Place showing.
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I'll be at the snowden showing in Columbia.
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nevermind, not going anymore. i have to paint my bathroom.
:roll:
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
I'll be at the snowden showing in Columbia.
me too :p
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I still have a ticket (possibly 2) for anyone interested in Gallery Place. Lily?
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I've never had a problem getting into R rated movies there.
Originally posted by slowgraffiti:
i bought my ticket on fandango for gallery place but i just realized that they're going to ask for id when i go get it. are they bitches about letting people into r-rated movies?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/movies/24scre.html?_r=1&8hpib (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/movies/24scre.html?_r=1&8hpib)
interesting...
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i'll be at gallery place (and i might have 3 extras)
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Originally posted by P.J.:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/movies/24scre.html?_r=1&8hpib (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/movies/24scre.html?_r=1&8hpib)
interesting...
I want to see the Police documentary. :D
Anyhow, don't think I'm heading out tonight.
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wish i could but still working... :(
Originally posted by bearman:
I still have a ticket (possibly 2) for anyone interested in Gallery Place. Lily?
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just got home from seeing this.
i know it shouldn't annoy me, but some of the editing of the performances really annoyed me... like showing bits from other songs in the middle of the songs that were being performed, etc.
i appreciated the 'not morrissey' thing coming up, because i really thought it was morrissey.
there were probably MAYBE 50 people at the theater down here in richmond.
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There was a good crowd at the Gallery Place viewing. Bearman, I'm guessing you were part of the bear contingent in the audience. My friend/Coachella travel buddy was like, "Um, are we in the right theatre?" :D
I liked the film and honestly, I was happy that I didn't have to hear a Bright Eyes song in its entirety. :p Not sure if people who haven't attended the festival would enjoy it, though.
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My thoughts:
1. Why did the director seem to take the last song of each performer's set?
2. Highlight was Noel Gallagher vs. Saul Williams being interviewed about musicians and politics -- "People don't come to gigs to listen to artists sing the news" said Noel. Great stuff!
3. There was a moment when Thom Yorke smiled with his horrible teeth, his lazy eye and I thought Thom was a science project gone bad.
4. Bjork's performance was the best on film
5. I just don't get Conor Oberst and the Arcade Fire. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
2. Highlight was Noel Gallagher vs. Saul Williams being interviewed about musicians and politics -- "People don't come to gigs to listen to artists sing the news" said Noel. Great stuff!
I enjoyed that as well. Great editing.
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Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
1. Why did the director seem to take the last song of each performer's set?
i don't necessarily think they did.
neither the radiohead songs nor the pixies songs were the last songs of the set. they were edited to make it look like that. the very end of the radiohead set was actually 'everything in its right place' with 'forever' scrolling across the screen. planet telex (which was actually in the film) was earlier in the set.
2. Highlight was Noel Gallagher vs. Saul Williams being interviewed about musicians and politics -- "People don't come to gigs to listen to artists sing the news" said Noel. Great stuff!
i thought they made him out to be quite the jackass (noel). not only that but also with the 'bands that really play instruments' stuff.
3. There was a moment when Thom Yorke smiled with his horrible teeth, his lazy eye and I thought Thom was a science project gone bad.
i thought there were a lot of unflattering shots in the film of a lot of people?
4. Bjork's performance was the best on film
sorry, i thought someone was flogging a cat.
i don't understand the hype surrounding bjork.
5. I just don't get Conor Oberst and the Arcade Fire. Sorry.
what's there to get? they're just bad.
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HA! Yep, that sure was me with that big old group. But I did bring along 2 lady friends as well. But yeah, there was a pretty big gathering of us. I figure it's my job to help educate, and boy were folks tearing out of there to go on iTunes and look up bands.
Overall I thought the movie was absolutely fantastic and did a nice job of recreating what it is like to be there. A lot of my friends had never really heard of Coachella or didn't quite understand the whole thing, but now a few of them are ready to book plane tickets and go this year. I think it's a nice way to focus on the music, the fact that people go there as a community to appreciate music. Sure, there are some folks who might go to see and be seen or be cool/hip. Last year the OC cast was there, but for the most part it's people who love music and are there because they truly want to be there and experience what a unique and special place it is. I think the movie captured that nicely.
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I agree w/ you, bearman. The movie really captured the excitement of being there. Even if it is in 106 degree heat. It made me sad that I can't go this year b/c of weddings.....
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Couldn't make it last night. Is the movie going to regular release or straight-to-video? Anybody know of a release date?
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Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
4. Bjork's performance was the best on film
yep. and i'm not even that into her music. but i won't miss her next she comes around.
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I just don't get Bjork...I like a few of her singles and appreciate the fact that she's got a very unique voice, but at the end of the day she's like arsenic to me.
I appreciate the Arcade Fire a little more now. They're a decent band, I really like some of their songs, but I think they're overhyped big time. The Mars Volta rocked out, but ultimately they didn't do much for me. And I REALLY REALLY don't get Bright Eyes. Someone tried to compare him to Elliott Smith, but I can't hear it. Elliott may have worn his heart on his sleeve and written some pretty and sad tunes, but thankfully I never saw anyone walk away from his show in tears. Icky.
I loved Fischerspooner and promptly got "Emerge" off of iTunes. I need to see that show next time they come around. A lot of the other stuff in the movie I loved...Pixies (of course), Belle and Sebastian was hilarious, Iggy, Flaming Lips. I wish they had shown more of Squarepusher. And it would have been excellent to see something from Queens of the Stone Age too. I think I would have swapped them with the Mars Volta. And it's a shame they didn't show Kraftwerk, who were fantastic and one of the best things I've ever seen. Still, I love the movie...I think it will get a DVD release a bit later this year, no date that I'm aware of though.
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Originally posted by eros:
Couldn't make it last night. Is the movie going to regular release or straight-to-video? Anybody know of a release date?
i don't know of the date, but you can pre-order the dvd with your order of tickets in the pre-sale for the festival that started this morning.
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Originally posted by bearman:
And I REALLY REALLY don't get Bright Eyes. Someone tried to compare him to Elliott Smith, but I can't hear it. Elliott may have worn his heart on his sleeve and written some pretty and sad tunes, but thankfully I never saw anyone walk away from his show in tears. Icky.
I learned that Conor Oberst's lyrics are painfully stupid.
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Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
I learned that Conor Oberst's lyrics are
painfully stupid.
i had a good laugh at the girl crying at the end of his set.
it made me think of the people crying and screaming during the michael jackson concert footage you see on tv.
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I would have been crying too...over the fact that I wasted 40 minutes of my life (that I could never get back) listening to that caterwauling. A better name for Bright Eyes would probably be Pity Party. Not that some performances haven't affected me before, but that was just ridiculous.
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Originally posted by bearman:
I would have been crying too...over the fact that I wasted 40 minutes of my life (that I could never get back) listening to that caterwauling. A better name for Bright Eyes would probably be Pity Party. Not that some performances haven't affected me before, but that was just ridiculous.
yeah. i'd never seen him live before.
fortunately i missed out on that at the 04 one.
but i've felt that 'i just wasted X amount of my life watching this band' on a good number of occasions. it's easier to deal with at a festival when you can just walk away.. .but when they're an opener at a show and you showed up early...
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Originally posted by distance:
Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
I learned that Conor Oberst's lyrics are
painfully stupid.
i had a good laugh at the girl crying at the end of his set.
it made me think of the people crying and screaming during the michael jackson concert footage you see on tv. [/b]
i laughed too. but then i thought "maybe that girl had a good friend that died from a drug overdose? and hearing him sing that triggered memories?" so i quickly shut myself up... (but continued laughing on the inside).
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when bright eyes played at Coachella in 04, we were waiting in the back of the crowd for them to end, so we could get close for BRMC and there were these 3 guys with boxes of tissues and as Bright Eyes went off stage and the people started turning and walking to their next destination, these guys were handing out tissues to everyone.
it would have been the funniest thing i had ever seen, except i couldnt be sure whether they were joking or not.....
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Originally posted by Thom Foolerie:
when bright eyes played at Coachella in 04, we were waiting in the back of the crowd for them to end, so we could get close for BRMC and there were these 3 guys with boxes of tissues and as Bright Eyes went off stage and the people started turning and walking to their next destination, these guys were handing out tissues to everyone.
it would have been the funniest thing i had ever seen, except i couldnt be sure whether they were joking or not.....
Oh, this is hilarious! Too bad it didn't make the movie. Or did it?
I'm mixed about wanting to see the movie. Would love to see it just because it's Coachella yet they seem to focus mostly on all of the bands that I have absolutely no interest in whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
I'm mixed about wanting to see the movie. Would love to see it just because it's Coachella yet they seem to focus mostly on all of the bands that I have absolutely no interest in whatsoever. [/b]
I thought about the hundreds of bands who were not on film. But there is no way to fit everyone, and for the good of the films success, they have to use artists that have some name recognition.
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Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
I'm mixed about wanting to see the movie. Would love to see it just because it's Coachella yet they seem to focus mostly on all of the bands that I have absolutely no interest in whatsoever. [/b]
I thought about the hundreds of bands who were not on film. But there is no way to fit everyone, and for the good of the films success, they have to use artists that have some name recognition. [/b]
actually, i was pretty disappointed with the editing. i think they could've showcased a lot more acts by choosing shorter songs, or focusing on the most energetic/interesting parts of the performance. i mean, did we really need to watch 3 minutes each of prodigy, rhcp and oasis? i'm a huge radiohead/pixies fan, but i would have been satisfied with snippets of their performances to see others instead. and, for god's sake, no bauhaus with peter murphy hanging upside down for bela lugosi's dead?
i was also blown away by fischerspooner...has anyone on the board seen him live otherwise?
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Originally posted by joz:
i was also blown away by fischerspooner...has anyone on the board seen him live otherwise? [/b]
Actually, yes. They played 930 in 2003. It felt more like a Vegas revue than a concert. No instruments on stage; just Fischer and Spooner and 30 dancers. It was a fun show.
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Kind of like Peaches, except she only had 2 dancers/strippers. And she did play guitar when she wasn't fellating strap-on dildos or spitting fake blood on the audience.
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Originally posted by bearman:
Kind of like Peaches, except she only had 2 dancers/strippers. And she did play guitar when she wasn't fellating strap-on dildos or spitting fake blood on the audience.
i was supposed to go to that show and something came up...sounds like i missed a good one.
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Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
I'm mixed about wanting to see the movie. Would love to see it just because it's Coachella yet they seem to focus mostly on all of the bands that I have absolutely no interest in whatsoever. [/b]
I thought about the hundreds of bands who were not on film. But there is no way to fit everyone, and for the good of the films success, they have to use artists that have some name recognition. [/b]
I fully understand what you are saying and can appreciate that but that won't make me decide to buy a ticket.
Seems at least a few lesser known bands should have had at least a few minutes just to portray the whole broad festival atmosphere. Did they have anyone like that?
Always good comic relief to include any of the Gallagher brothers insights. :D
Fisherspooner is a good choice just to dress up the visuals of the film so I am all for them being included even though I'm not a fan of their music.
Would someone please kill the Red Hot Chili Peppers!?!?!?!? I'd be willing to wade through a river of Bright Eyes tears for that favor alone!
The more I think about it, for me personally, I suspect that this film would be best left to vegging out at home some night on tv or on DVD.
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Jaguar, I think that the ultimate thing that makes the movie worth seeing is the recurring theme that music brings all these people together, which is what makes Coachella so darn special. Though you don't like a lot of the bands, it's still really neat to see the diversity of the musicians as well as the audience. I like the fact that the movie highlights that folks come up from Mexico or fly from Japan. And ultimately I think it's the type of film that a lot of people who just enjoy music would appreciate. Even though I don't care for Bjork, I still was interested to see her performance and how it contrasts with something like Iggy and the Stooges or Oasis. I think the movie explores the idea of people maintaining some kind of identity even within a community. Maybe it's a little far-reaching, but I think someday a movie like this could really be an important document chronicling what is essentially a fragment of culture. For us, it's about seeing bands that we may like or love or hate, but in a way it's a pretty nice snapshot in time of how music brings people together. (Sorry if I sounded a little like Perry Farrell there.) I just think you should give it a chance. You might be surprised.
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You make a very good point Bearman. A good filmmaker can do that even with the worst of lineups. Guess that's something that is too often overshadowed by the performers when creating such a documentary.
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Originally posted by bearman:
I think someday a movie like this could really be an important document chronicling what is essentially a fragment of culture.
i think that's giving this doc a bit too much credit. it's certainly no woodstock or monterey pop festival. in addition to the poor representation of the diversity of coachella line-ups and the poor editing, the interviews with attendees/campers and bands even were pretty lame. woodstock was a 3-day festival while coachella's had a few years to gather footage so i'm really not too impressed. i've been to coachella and it's by far the best festival experience i've had, but this film really didn't capture it for me.
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But what other films like that are being made today? There's a HUGE gap between Monterey and Woodstock and then Coachella. Nothing on Lollapalooza was ever chronicled. I just think that if someone 100 years from now wanted some kind of cultural artifact, this would be up there in terms of what was created and offered. I think it shows how far music has come since the 1960's, even if a talent like Jimi Hendrix or the Who isn't there. That being said, you make a fair point on artist representation. But I also think that it is important for movies like this to be made. It sure beats a "Woodstock 1999" documentary, that's for sure.
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Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
Originally posted by joz:
i was also blown away by fischerspooner...has anyone on the board seen him live otherwise? [/b]
Actually, yes. They played 930 in 2003. It felt more like a Vegas revue than a concert. No instruments on stage; just Fischer and Spooner and 30 dancers. It was a fun show. [/b]
I was there. I also saw the live taping of the Jimmy Kimmel show after Coachella.
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Originally posted by bearman:
It sure beats a "Woodstock 1999" documentary, that's for sure.
touche pussycat.
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Stylus Magazine Review (Feb. 20, 2006)
Movie Review
Coachella
2005
Director: Drew Thomas
Cast: Wayne Coyne; Iggy Pop; Conor Oberst; Bjork; Jack and Meg White; Noel Gallagher; the Pixies
B-
The Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival is one of the most obviously documentable subjects within the artistic community, offering a sufficiency of human weirdness in any direction one might be inclined to point a camera??the stages, the tents, the exhibits, the throngs of brittle, asymmetrically haircutted indie kids withering in the unfamiliar sunshine. Coachella, a film by Drew Thomas, played the art-houses earlier this year as the faithful awaited the announcement of the 2006 lineup (Tool? Seriously?). It collects live performances, interviews with artists and comments from random yahoos in the crowd about the transcendent, unifying power of music, and so on.
The more ink a performance received, the more likely it is to be featured here. There's Wayne Coyne in his giant hamster ball; Bright Eyes staring all deer-eyed into the crowd, trying to talk himself off a ledge; Iggy Pop humping inanimate objects; Bjork being all Bjork-y; Belle and Sebastian getting down with their twee selves; the Polyphonic Spree preparing to drink the Kool-Aid; the White Stripes before Jack's creepy Michael Jackson phase. The Pixies' "Where Is My Mind?,? from 2004, is included by necessity, as is Arcade Fire's "Rebellion (Lies)" from last year. Placed nearly side-by-side, toward the end of the film, these performances nicely illustrate the twin functions of Coachella's musical stages??to heap laurels upon old-timers who never got the respect they deserved and to aid in the taste-making process. One Pixies fan claims most of the Coachella lineup wouldn't exist without Black Francis and Pals, a statement with which Kool Keith would probably disagree. But watching the Pixies, still very early in a reunion tour that eventually saw them beat to death the summer-festival circuit, you get the feeling Coachella was made for moments like this. I mean, we all knew that the Pixies deserved to gaze out upon a sea of adoring fans, but, three years ago, would anyone have ever expected it to happen? Coachella was also made for a band like the Arcade Fire, with whom most of rock snobdom was already familiar by that time last year, but was largely unknown to the Hot Topic crowd. Their radiant performance is the best catch-a-rising-star moment here, finding the band crystallizing its energy and perfectly seizing its day in the sun??which must have been brutal under all that funeral garb.
Hard as it is to quibble with a film that offers so much good live footage, several factors prevent Coachella from being a definitive, or even great, documentary. Disproportionate attention is paid to electronic music and to the tents, where it appears most of the serious drugs are consumed. Nothing wrong with a little techno, but the lineups seem a lot more rock-centric than what's featured here. I could be wrong about that. Nobody has the same Coachella, as alums are fond of saying, and some more fan-level material would have helped convey the disconnect of a true festival experience??that simultaneous, paradoxical rush of individual and communal sensation. Why not loan out cameras to a dozen festival-goers? Each would undoubtedly turn in a completely different film. Coachella covers a lot, but it would have benefited from focus. The little time devoted to the crowd is compulsory Journalism 101 stuff. No good stories emerge from the random, thrown-together-at-the-last-minute quotes.
We also don't get a sense of what makes this event tick. Flea is interviewed and speaks warmly of Coachella, pointing to it as an exception to the fact that American audiences have a hard time gathering outdoors for concerts without turning into Neanderthals (and he'd know). Certainly the lack of Limp Bizkit contributes to this, but little is said of the booking, the set-up and the logistics of an event that by most accounts runs quite smoothly for something of its size. A few overhead shots of the stages in relation to the tents, exhibits, and camping/parking areas, etc., would have provided some helpful perspective. The musical performances regrettably are not labeled by year, which would have served to add some historical context.
Interviews with performers are of varying coherence. Coyne is a hoot. Perry Farrell is still an endearing fruitcake. Mos Def is awesome. Noel Gallagher, not so much. The Mars Volta guys, despite abundant circumstantial evidence to the contrary, are pretty level-headed. Filmmaker Thomas unsuccessfully tries to stir up some tension toward the end by juxtaposing comments from Saul Williams with those of Gallagher about the mix of music and politics. Saul's for it. Noel??in case you're wondering, still an asshole??is not.
Otherwise, Coachella offers much of what you'd expect from a documentary on the titular subject. It won't change anyone's perception of the festival, but will provide adequate nostalgia for those who have attended and good enough reason for everyone else to get in on the fun.