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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Fico on January 24, 2006, 02:19:00 pm
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Cut me some slack...I HAD to do it :)
Anywho...we're chuffed to be playing as a 5-piece again since last October's show. Joining us will be Paul who some of you might remember as the guitarist in Phaser...the new material is sounding great, hope you lot like it..our slot is 10:30-11:15pm...see ya!
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shameless i tell you... i'm djing by the way :D
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
shameless i tell you... i'm djing by the way :D
Will you be taking requests from the bands?? cos I could definitely use an Oasis tune at around 10:27 to get my Liam on..jojojojojo
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a plain envelope stuff with bills usually does the trick...
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I'm planning on going.
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I'm showing my vintage, but wouldn't this have been perfect as Three Bands for Three Bucks? With the club absorbing the corresponding revenue loss, o' course, Fico.
What's the general buzz on the Nethers, anyway?
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about 180 degrees different than the Carlsonics from whom they sprang... fade into the background indie pop
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On a Friday night? hahahahahaha
Originally posted by mrpee:
I'm showing my vintage, but wouldn't this have been perfect as Three Bands for Three Bucks? With the club absorbing the corresponding revenue loss, o' course, Fico.
What's the general buzz on the Nethers, anyway?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
about 180 degrees different than the Carlsonics from whom they sprang... fade into the background indie pop
That said, they do seem to have done better for themselves (proper touring, record, etc) than in their previous encarnation...
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i will be there to support the lovely boys of bicycle thieves. oh how i love them :D
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tentative
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having seen both the carlsonics and nethers many times, i feel pretty confident in saying that nethers is the better band. carlsonics were fun but the shtick grew old after a few songs and it all sounded the same. nethers has more interesting shit going on.
as for proper record/touring, i have no idea what that's about. carlsonics released a record on a fairly well-known, national indie label and toured like motherfuckers (http://www.carlsonics.com/pastshows.htm).
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I would LOVE to go, but I have to be at BWI at 7:00 a.m. the next morning. I doubt I'll make it, but I might sneak in for the first coupla bands...
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Make sure you catch Nethers. I was at their CD release party and really like their new material. Nikki (sp?) has a great voice. They are one of my favorite local bands, and I definitely prefer them over a few others that have been named on this Forum. I've never seen Bicycle Thieves. Can't make the show.
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Very interested in seeing Cedars set- with a former member of Phaser in tow. Great addition, similar style to both bands. Great fit.
Looking forward to Nethers.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
shameless i tell you... i'm djing by the way :D
I expect you to play at least half of the Clap your hands say yeah album, you seem to have a decent musical taste.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
shameless i tell you... i'm djing by the way :D
I expect you to play at least half of the Clap your hands say yeah album, you seem to have a decent musical taste. [/b]
Are you being sarcastic? I haven't heard the album but saw their in-studio performance at kcrw and thought they were utter shite...
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Originally posted by Fico:
I haven't heard the album but saw their in-studio performance at kcrw and thought they were utter shite...
Sweet. A band brawl with the critics darlings would get you international notoriety....
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Originally posted by Fico:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
shameless i tell you... i'm djing by the way :D
I expect you to play at least half of the Clap your hands say yeah album, you seem to have a decent musical taste. [/b]
Are you being sarcastic? I haven't heard the album but saw their in-studio performance at kcrw and thought they were utter shite... [/b]
Sarcastic.
Didn't you like Oasis? Then it is understandable, different musical concepts, as I understand it. Sin intentar echar mierda a tu banda ni nada, simplemente que creo que son dos estilos de musica distintos.
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the CYHSY song I heard leads me to believe that I wouldn't like them... the vocalist makes me want to do bad things.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the CYHSY song I heard leads me to believe that I wouldn't like them... the vocalist makes me want to do bad things.
My thoughts exactly...I can't get pass the vocalist.
De acuerdo Barce, cada quien con los suyo...pero Oasis es de puta madre! :)
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Originally posted by Fico:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the CYHSY song I heard leads me to believe that I wouldn't like them... the vocalist makes me want to do bad things.
My thoughts exactly...I can't get pass the vocalist.
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I fully agree!
I swear it's only the hype that sold out that show. Just didn't want to say anything while tickets were selling solely out of respect for Seth and his business but was dying to.
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I'm sure Vansmack is with me when I wonder how CYHSY could pass up on the OC :)
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the only reason i like CYHSY is the lead singer, the rest of their sound is pretty run of the mill ... he has a really unique voice, and i could see how it could be grating to some
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
the only reason i like CYHSY is the lead singer, the rest of their sound is pretty run of the mill ... he has a really unique voice, and i could see how it could be grating to some
Hoya,
Would you have traded Tampa's loss to the Skins for a Duke victory over the Hoyas?
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Originally posted by Fico:
Hoya,
Would you have traded Tampa's loss to the Skins for a Duke victory over the Hoyas?
in a heartbeat.
tampa was in the playoffs, this was a (relatively) meaningless out-of-conference game in the middle of the season, we could have made it to the NCAAs without that win ... if the hoyas would have lost last night to notre dame (pulled it out in 2OTs), the duke win would have been just shot to shit ... however, i'll trade a georgetown win in the NCAAs to a bucs playoff win any day, the bucs 2002 super bowl win can hold me over for another 5-6 years
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Would you trade the lead singers voice for a Georgetown NCAA win?
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
the only reason i like CYHSY is the lead singer, the rest of their sound is pretty run of the mill ... he has a really unique voice, and i could see how it could be grating to some
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Ok, Kosmo, Jaguar, and Fico - questions for you.
I read these boards enough to know that you all have the credentials to be black belt rock snobs but aren't. What is it about CYHSY that brings out the snark? This isnâ??t Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson. The group has gotten some publicity, but they donâ??t strike me as glory hounds or as having the same manufactured look/sound of other hyped acts (e.g. Bravery). Am I just missing the hypery? I certainly donâ??t read everything out there.
As for the music itself, it seems everyone is quick to happily dismiss the group based on a single listen. Are your first impressions always spot on? The vocals were an obstacle at first, but I agree with Hoya that now I think theyâ??re the most redeeming aspect of the sound. Their live act does need work, but I just figured that as a new group theyâ??ve got to grow into it. Iâ??m hoping to see some improvement from the BC show.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
BTW, I dig De Novo Dahl and have seen the Cedars three times now, so you know I have good taste. :)
Originally posted by Jaguar:
Originally posted by Fico:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the CYHSY song I heard leads me to believe that I wouldn't like them... the vocalist makes me want to do bad things.
My thoughts exactly...I can't get pass the vocalist.
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I fully agree!
I swear it's only the hype that sold out that show. Just didn't want to say anything while tickets were selling solely out of respect for Seth and his business but was dying to. [/b]
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honestly, i gave the track on a recent Paste sampler several listens and just couldn't get past the vocals... the music was by the numbers indie pop kinda twee and dreamy with lots of effects but once the guy started singing, yowsah. i found the Broken Social Scene stuff boring as well, it's got that my girlfriend brother's roomate knows someone who plays french horn, why not tack that on the end of song for effect.
personally i rather see the High Strung who remind me off the Who right before they got all Rock Operery with the thundering bass lines, manic drumming and clever songwriting, verses a bunch of guys in beards dorking around with effects pedals. as some have pointed had they been outside of Brooklyn were hype is created NME style, they would have developed a tad more before getting thrust out into a more prominent position.
i suspect that more their CD was a demo which they managed to sell more than they expected. and more and more band and record companies will be start releasing stuff that are works in progress. Yep Roc is doing it with Cities on eMusic.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Would you trade the lead singers voice for a Georgetown NCAA win?
i would trade a lot of things for a georgetown NCAA win ... the CYHSY singer's voice would be one of the first
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Originally posted by Tom Servo:
The group has gotten some publicity, but they donâ??t strike me as glory hounds or as having the same manufactured look/sound of other hyped acts (e.g. Bravery). Am I just missing the hypery? I certainly donâ??t read everything out there.
CYHSY had deafening buzz from blogs, pitchfork and various blogs basically catapulted this demo CD they were selling from the trunks of cars and sparingly on the internet to top 10 lists all over the world ... the hypery was really huge on them, maybe just not as mainstream as the bravery
but i certainly don't think big hype necessarily makes a band unlistenable / unlikeable (and i don't think that's what kosmo and the rest are saying), if it weren't for the hype i'd never have heard these guys ... i'm not a dumpster-diver when it comes to music consumption, so i actually appreciate it when bands are "broke" this way
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Tom Servo:
The group has gotten some publicity, but they donâ??t strike me as glory hounds or as having the same manufactured look/sound of other hyped acts (e.g. Bravery). Am I just missing the hypery? I certainly donâ??t read everything out there.
CYHSY had deafening buzz from blogs, pitchfork and various blogs basically catapulted this demo CD they were selling from the trunks of cars and sparingly on the internet to top 10 lists all over the world ... the hypery was really huge on them, maybe just not as mainstream as the bravery
but i certainly don't think big hype necessarily makes a band unlistenable / unlikeable (and i don't think that's what kosmo and the rest are saying), if it weren't for the hype i'd never have heard these guys ... i'm not a dumpster-diver when it comes to music consumption, so i actually appreciate it when bands are "broke" this way [/b]
I dead on agree with all of this!
For me, besides the very irritating vocals, I'm just not even taken with any of the music. It does nothing for me whatsoever other than want to turn it off and move on to something else. The vocals just make me want to do it that much faster.
I can understand that they would have a little bit of a following but that's just it. It's all of that hype that I would say that I don't understand except that I fully understand the power of the media and how all of that works. I still stand by my belief that a majority of those tickets were only sold to bandwagon passengers even though they don't realize they are so. Call me a snob all you want as I really don't care one way or the other but I'm not going to lie just to be nice. I'm not trying to be mean or snarky either. Only speaking (or would that be writing) my mind.
Q: "Are your first impressions always spot on?"
Hell, no! Sometimes the bands that get under my skin (in a good way) the most are some of the ones that don't grab me at first. A few examples would be Elbow, Greenspace, I Am Kloot and Amusement Parks On Fire. There are often times where it takes me a few good listens to finally get it. CYHSY only gets worse for me with each additional listen. Sorry about that but at least I'm honest.
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First off, thanks for assuming I have good taste. I'll never say my taste is bad but I'd be happy to get stuck in an island with the Oasis catalogue and nothing else.
dunno...maybe their kind of music is not what I'm into..I have the new Arctic Monkeys and something tells me I'll get around to it once they're passé...I never got into any of the garage acts...this year I've been digging the new Strokes and South record..and the new Richard Ashcroft and Elefant records to some extent...my bandmates scoff at it..but to each it's own...I guess the snark comes out of feeling "out"..just like when everyone understood algebra in class and you couldn't and you get the "what is wrong with me" guilt...so maybe that's what it is...
but ignore my stupid analogies...i'm foreign :)
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Originally posted by Fico:
but ignore my stupid analogies...i'm foreign :)
So what's that have to do with it? I always sucked at algebra too. Then again, I'm not your average American. Oh wait, I use to teach. My students were even worse than me!
Anyway, I agree with your analogy.
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It's probably just a clever name.
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Originally posted by Fico:
I'm sure Vansmack is with me when I wonder how CYHSY could pass up on the OC :)
Worst Career Move. Ever.
Most music careers last as long as the votive candle on my coffee table. But royalties from The OC could last a lifetime...
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This thread reminded of my all-time favorite Fico quote:
Coldplay is an OUTSTANDING band...I'm a musician and I've yet to come across anyone who has mentioned BAuhuas as an influence...Coldplay keeps influencing current musicians and will prolly do the same for kids growing up...god you hipsters..
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Fico:
I'm sure Vansmack is with me when I wonder how CYHSY could pass up on the OC :)
Worst Career Move. Ever.
Most music careers last as long as the votive candle on my coffee table. But royalties from The OC could last a lifetime... [/b]
Forget the royalties...the possibility of playing a gig in front of Summer and Mini-Cooper...*salivating*...
Smackie, is Caitlin legal in "real" life?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Fico:
I'm sure Vansmack is with me when I wonder how CYHSY could pass up on the OC :)
Worst Career Move. Ever.
Most music careers last as long as the votive candle on my coffee table. But royalties from The OC could last a lifetime... [/b]
Very true. Whether or not one likes the bands or the show, it would be a dumb career move to turn down an offer to be played on that show unless they have some other ingenious move up their sleeve. Hating the commercialism of being played on some popular tv show isn't a career move either. That's a principle to be commended or chided for, whichever stand you take. Personally, there is no way I will knock any band, especially a lesser known one, for allowing their music to be aired on this or any other show. Even CYHSY no matter how much I might not appreciate them.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
This thread reminded of my all-time favorite Fico quote:
Coldplay is an OUTSTANDING band...I'm a musician and I've yet to come across anyone who has mentioned BAuhuas as an influence...Coldplay keeps influencing current musicians and will prolly do the same for kids growing up...god you hipsters..
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Goddamn you, GGW! :eek:
I thought that I had figured out your secret the other week but it didn't work like it was supposed to. That alone still mystifies me!
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jojojojojojo talk about having egg on my face due to that one...I was wrong about the Bauhaus comment...but I stand by Coldplay...top band.
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Originally posted by Fico:
Forget the royalties...the possibility of playing a gig in front of Summer and Mini-Cooper...*salivating*...
And the possibiliy of Alex returning to run the place....
Originally posted by Fico:
Smackie, is Caitlin legal in "real" life?
No. 14. Stay away. Stay very far away....
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Fico:
Forget the royalties...the possibility of playing a gig in front of Summer and Mini-Cooper...*salivating*...
Originally posted by Fico:
Smackie, is Caitlin legal in "real" life?
No. 14. Stay away. Stay very far away.... [/b]
As the married (to someone else) man says to the single man. :roll:
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
As the married (to someone else) man says to the single man. :roll:
No, no, no. That was an agent to client recommendation.
As smackie says, if there's grass on the field...
Oh no, wait, I'm the "1/2 your age + 7" guy.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
As the married (to someone else) man says to the single man. :roll:
No, no, no. That was an agent to client recommendation.
As smackie says, if there's grass on the field...
Oh no, wait, I'm the "1/2 your age + 7" guy. [/b]
Ah so I got it from you!!!....I was thinking to myself where did I get the 1/2 your age + 7 rule...I knew I didn't come up with it but made it part of my manifesto... great rule, I'd lie if I said I didn't almost break it more than once....
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Originally posted by Fico:
great rule, I'd lie if I said I didn't almost break it more than once....
Smackette was about 20 days short of making the rule when we first started dating.
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Good thoughts. I suppose it's a testament to the proliferation of blogs and specialized music sites when an unsigned band gets deafening buzz. I can definitely understand being apprehensive to a group that's shoved in your face everywhere you turn. At the risk of opening myself to over-hypenation, I think I need to read more new music news.
Originally posted by Kosmo:
honestly, i gave the track on a recent Paste sampler several listens and just couldn't get past the vocals... the music was by the numbers indie pop kinda twee and dreamy with lots of effects but once the guy started singing, yowsah.
You probably don't care at this point, but I think Home on Ice was the song you heard and in my opinion it sticks out from the rest of the album in terms of overall sound. The vocal effects are less on the other tracks but it's still the same overall style so maybe it's a no go for you.
Originally posted by Jaguar:
There are often times where it takes me a few good listens to finally get it. CYHSY only gets worse for me with each additional listen. Sorry about that but at least I'm honest.
No apology necessary, nothing wrong with knowing a lot about music and knowing what you like. I'm still in awe of your "off the top of my head" list of shoegazer bands. That's quite a handle on the genre you've got there.
Originally posted by Fico:
I guess the snark comes out of feeling "out"..just like when everyone understood algebra in class and you couldn't and you get the "what is wrong with me" guilt...
Funny, I thought that the essence of snark was just the opposite. That it was a feeling of being "in" and you can't help but think "what is wrong with everyone else." Maybe I'm thinking of a different word.
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The track I heard indeed "In This Home On Ice", but there was another of their on the NME "Cool" list CD and my only thought was that it's nice to know Ross Geller found a band to join. That NME collection indicates to me that more second rate bands are headed this direction if this is considered the "cream" of the crop.
As Hoya points out the band developed a buzz which just increased in volume and since Music Editor/Writers will not want to have missed CYHSY on thier watch the train just kept a rollin'.
I reread that hallowed Pitchfork review and it's more about how the reviewer came upon this CD plus being able to name drop as many cool bands as reference points into the review. I think the high rating is reflected in oh how cool it's a band with a PR firm. People keep acting like this the first time a indie band has managed to put out and sell on thier own a CD. Would the Pitchfork/Blogger been out there creating the buzz for O.A.R. a band which managed to sell 100K of their sell released records. Didn't Hootie and the Blowfish, Verve Pipe, and DMB have significant indie success?
My point in the other thread is that CYHSY just isn't for me and that if people were looking for a bandwagon to jump on then The High Strung or The High Dials are more deserving.
I agree with Jag that there is much bangwagon jumping on this one, the way tickets are selling on eBay one would think that the bands been together for years and once played larger venues. I suspect that there are people that just have to see this band this time so they claim they did, and why anyone would fork over that much money for a hour long set they are likely to be able to here on NPR for free is beyond me.
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Hello, Tom Servo...I'm so happy to see you pop back up here...
More recent indie successes; Victory Records sold 558,000 copies of Hawthorne Heights The Silence in Back and White without radio play; Arcade Fire, Interpol and Bright Eyes sold more than 250,000 copies each using only only internet sites like MySpace.
For those casting about for free dowloads of suspiciously over-hyped bands without investing $$$$'s; here's one: www.rollingstone.com/arcticmonkeys (http://www.rollingstone.com/arcticmonkeys)
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The biggest criticism I have about CYHSY is that the album, taken as a whole, is a disappointment. I picked it up at Target of all places for 8 bucks just to see if the hype was worthy. I'd heard Home on Ice and the last track (can't remember the name) and thought an album of songs of this caliber would be worth at least $8.
Unfortunatly, the only listenable tracks, for me, are Home On Ice, Yellow Country Teeth, and the last track. These aren't even outstanding. I would only classfiy them as "good".
I agree that the vocals have a lot to do my dislike of the album. However, I think the vocals work on Yellow Country teeth, and as someone mentioned earlier, the vocal style is toned down a bit for Home On Ice. In contrast, the first track, where the singer seems to be singing prose as opposed to versus really irrates me.
CYHSY is laudeded as a great band, when really they're a band with a few good singles and not much else to offer.
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i think there were other factors besides the internet working in favor of Bright Eyes and Interpol for selling 250k... And while Hawthorne Heights can attribute some of their success to Myspace, they also went on several high profile package tours aimed squarely at the teen market, tours also dripping in corporate sponsorship.
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well i haven't heard the whole CYHSY CD as it really doesn't interest me, many have pointed out that it's a standard indie band trick to put the "difficult" track first as a way of weeding people out who might not otherwise get the band. a bit of indie snobbery ... kinda of like the people who got their pants in bunch when the bands DC show got less stellar reviews. my fav justification given for the DC show was because DC audiences are so judgemental and it effected the bands performance.
i'll bet there is more than one group of people who clap thier hands and say yeah after each song at that show.
i propose that everyone do it for the Cedars :D
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Back to the topic at hand, hope to see plenty of you out at this show. Stop by the coat check area during the bands and say Hi... I'm not good company while DJing..
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Back to the topic at hand, hope to see plenty of you out at this show. Stop by the coat check area during the bands and say Hi... I'm not good company while DJing..
What's yer favorite beer Kosmo??? this one is on me. :)
And yes, going back to the initial topic, come on out tomorrow..should be a great night. I for one can say we've never sounded as good as we're sounding right now...Paul has made things fresh and interesting for us, and hence for you.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i think there were other factors besides the internet working in favor of Bright Eyes and Interpol for selling 250k... And while Hawthorne Heights can attribute some of their success to Myspace, they also went on several high profile package tours aimed squarely at the teen market, tours also dripping in corporate sponsorship.
You might wish to refer to the 1/26/06 issue of Rolling Stones, where they do their industry wrap-up for the prior year. Stats are very interesting (and somewhat discouraging for those of us who love alt/rock/unique bands; label performance surprising; and they provided the above cited info. on indie groups/labels and internet distribution strategies...like MySpace. It's based on Nielson's music databases and not solely "opinions" of the writers.
Hey, Fico: Is that "divided by two plus 7" formula for age or IQ?
See you Friday: Can't wait for Paul's debut with ya'all.
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Suki,
The formula for "smackability" is age/2 + 7.
Which leads me to the following question, does such an equation exist for older women?? the existing formula basically applies to the younglings..but what's the equation for MILFs for example?? Will Julie Cooper-Nichol forever be a freebie or is there an expiration date on her???
hmmmm....Vansmack thoughts?
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I think Kosmo was right about the album being something of a demo. 3 out of 12 tracks including the first one are "throwaway" in that they aren't actually songs but little 1 minute instrumental interludes. I happen to like the other 9 tracks but I can see how the group might have been light on material and looking for filler. I also got the album as a gift so no buyers remorse.
I was definitely surprised that the show sold out so fast. I think that much of it was word of mouth recommendations among friends (the good kind of hype) since people who like the group seem vocal about it. I also suspect a lot of scalper investment purchases.
I'll have to check out the High Strung. Already on board with the High Dials.
Originally posted by BadSushi:
Hello, Tom Servo...I'm so happy to see you pop back up here...
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Thanks! I've been around but have had quite the show drought, like some others I think, so I haven't had much to add recently. It was mid-January before I got my best shows of 2005 arranged, so I missed the thread. :)
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Originally posted by Fico:
The formula for "smackability" is age/2 + 7.
Quote of the year!
Smackability! I love it!
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Originally posted by Fico:
Which leads me to the following question, does such an equation exist for older women?? the existing formula basically applies to the younglings..but what's the equation for MILFs for example?? Will Julie Cooper-Nichol forever be a freebie or is there an expiration date on her???
hmmmm....Vansmack thoughts?
Hmmm. I have never thought about the reverese theory. I may have to pull the tribal council together tonight for a 12er of the High Life and get a consensus.
We have applied the laws of averages in some instances:
I've had the discussion about the Mother/Daughter exception - 1/2 your age + 7 and the mother and dughter ages are averaged, minus 7. The minus 7 is for your own good.
And the sister exception applies as well - 1/2 you age + 7 and the sisters ages are averaged.
There is a pretty strong lobby for "if one girl meets the regular rule, then it's ok," but the tribe voted to apply the law of averages.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Fico:
Which leads me to the following question, does such an equation exist for older women?? the existing formula basically applies to the younglings..but what's the equation for MILFs for example?? Will Julie Cooper-Nichol forever be a freebie or is there an expiration date on her???
hmmmm....Vansmack thoughts?
Hmmm. I have never thought about the reverese theory. I may have to pull the tribal council together tonight for a 12er of the High Life and get a consensus.
We have applied the laws of averages in some instances:
I've had the discussion about the Mother/Daughter exception - 1/2 your age + 7 and the mother and dughter ages are averaged, minus 7. The minus 7 is for your own good.
And the sister exception applies as well - 1/2 you age + 7 and the sisters ages are averaged.
There is a pretty strong lobby for "if one girl meets the regular rule, then it's ok," but the tribe voted to apply the law of averages. [/b]
Ladies and Gentleman, Professor Van SmacKinsley.
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Originally posted by Fico:
Smackie, is Caitlin legal in "real" life?
<img src="http://superfantasticclothing.com/images/kaitlin_cooper.jpg" alt=" - " />
http://superfantasticclothing.com/ (http://superfantasticclothing.com/)
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So who's coming?? raise your hands if you are...
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Originally posted by Fico:
Will Julie Cooper-Nichol forever be a freebie or is there an expiration date on her???
She'll be available for a long, long time...she's only 36, a mere babe compared to 38 year old Kristen...
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Fico:
Will Julie Cooper-Nichol forever be a freebie or is there an expiration date on her???
She'll be available for a long, long time...she's only 36, a mere babe compared to 38 year old Kristen... [/b]
Does that mean yer coming tonight Bags? :)
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That was a great show last night by Cedars btw- was great to hear you back at the 9:30, that place is built for them.
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Had a great time last hearing all the bands! will get my DJ setlist up soonish...
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Fine show by all 3 bands and kosmo. Good to see the club so crowded for a bunch of local bands.