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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: courtcrum on October 27, 2003, 12:42:00 pm
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Is anyone else upset about the Belle and Sebastian situation tomorrow nite? I bought tickets in advance months ago and now I have to leave early because 930 added a second show for the same nite. Everyone knows the second set is better, but I am not gunna pay $30 to see it :(
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This issue has been brought up before...and although I feel your pain and agree with you, we are in the minority here so there's no sympathy coming from the board or the club...lets just suffer in silence and vow never to buy tickets for a 930 show in advance again.
I just hope there's only 20 people at the second show, which would deserve the greedy bastards (band and 930) right..which I know isn't going to happen but we can live in hope.
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I disagree with you. You want to allow the 930 to charge us basically "per set".? That is not fine with me. Refusing to buy in advance does not solve the problem. It was false advertising to begin with. I bought tickets for a nite of B&S, not 3 hours. You realise the people who bought tickets for the second "show" will enjoy a longer set?
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the key point is that it was the bands idea to do the second show. thus letting fans unable to get tickets for the first show a chance to still see them. if it's a such a big deal sell the tickets to the first and get tickets to the second...
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Great suggestion, but who is gunna want my tickets for the first, slightly shorter show?
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Actually, we are in agreement, it's just that I ended up having to defend myself for being pissed off that they changed the programme after they had my money, like I was doing something wrong.
I was only trying to tell you not to waste your time complaning because nobody gives a rats arse now they have your cash.
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Although I'm happy a ton of shows are at the club, and sometimes two in one night, I'm with you guys. Early shows are a pain to get to on time and you get kicked out immediately after. In the case of B&S, the early show sold out before I could get tickets and I can't make the late show.
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Suffer in silence, eh?
Besides, it doesn't look like the first show will be much shorter (if at all) than the second:
Early Show:
Doors 7:30
Opener 7:45
BS 8:35
Late Show
Doors 10:30
Opener 11:00
BS 11:40
B&S are starting the first show almost an hour and a half before the regular scheduled start time for a headliner.
Originally posted by mankie:
lets just suffer in silence and vow never to buy tickets for a 930 show in advance again.
I just hope there's only 20 people at the second show, which would deserve the greedy bastards (band and 930) right..which I know isn't going to happen but we can live in hope.
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actually seth offered to refund your money...
and there is alot of assuming going on here that the first show is going to be shorter. belle & sebstaine are very fan friendly band and i certainly don't see them wanting to screw over their fans.
secondly there maybe people who don't want a late night but still want to see them at the first show...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the key point is that it was the bands idea to do the second show. thus letting fans unable to get tickets for the first show a chance to still see them. if it's a such a big deal sell the tickets to the first and get tickets to the second...
What a load of bollocks Kosmo and you know it. They wanted to double-dip on the cashola. You make it sound like they're doing us a favour, which would meand refunding those with tickets for the first show $15 each....are they?
To be honest, I'm not even looking forward to the show at this point knowing I'll get something sub-par..if the weather is like it is now I'll just throw my tickets in the trash and stay home.
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If you think B&S will play past 2:00 a.m., you're living a dream. And I personally cannot fathom going to an 11:45 show and getting out at 1:30 on a school night. Them's Velvet Lounge hours, and I gots work!
So you each really think they would have played for more than 2 hours had they kept to the original schedule?
But I sympathize that the early show is so early and the late show is so late. As for me, I'm now skipping both and going to the High Heel Race, otherwise the early show would be PERFECT for me.
Originally posted by nkotbie:
Suffer in silence, eh?
Besides, it doesn't look like the first show will be much shorter (if at all) than the second:
Early Show:
Doors 7:30
Opener 7:45
BS 8:35
Late Show
Doors 10:30
Opener 11:00
BS 11:40
B&S are starting the first show almost an hour and a half before the regular scheduled start time for a headliner.
Originally posted by mankie:
lets just suffer in silence and vow never to buy tickets for a 930 show in advance again.
I just hope there's only 20 people at the second show, which would deserve the greedy bastards (band and 930) right..which I know isn't going to happen but we can live in hope.
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Sorry for bringing this up, I suppose people have already dealt with this.
Who is Seth?
And I suppose I assumed the first show was going to be shorter..thanks for the info.
but you have to admitt the second show is gunna be better.. just like the second set of a show is better. Right?
I will shutup now. I just wanted to try to start a revolution but no one wants to join me.
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Originally posted by CourtneyCrummett:
but you have to admitt the second show is gunna be better.. just like the second set of a show is better. Right?
What is this 'second set' concept you're talking about -- encores? Second sets don't seem all tht common at 9:30 Club (or any club) shows, so I'm not sure why you think they'll be so drastically different.
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Yes, I agree second sets are not common for 930. I am speaking in theory.. I have only been here for 1 year. Concerts back home usually have 2 sets. The second set being better after a band gets going per say. I view the schedule for tomorrow nite as 2 sets.. that is all I am saying.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Originally posted by CourtneyCrummett:
but you have to admitt the second show is gunna be better.. just like the second set of a show is better. Right?
What is this 'second set' concept you're talking about -- encores? Second sets don't seem all tht common at 9:30 Club (or any club) shows, so I'm not sure why you think they'll be so drastically different. [/b]
Actually, I've been to a few shows were there's a first and second set, it's like the band takes a break...only this time you pay another $30 to see the second half of the show! ;)
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Actually, I've been to a few shows were there's a first and second set, it's like the band takes a break...only this time you pay another $30 to see the second half of the show! ;) [/QB][/QUOTE]
That is what I am screaming! That sucks..
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Originally posted by CourtneyCrummett:
Sorry for bringing this up, I suppose people have already dealt with this.
Who is Seth?
As in Seth Horowitz who owns the club...
Previous Discussion (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004948;p=2)
Secondly it's two shows verses two sets... the band will mostly likely perform the same setlist at both shows. Lots of Jazz and Blues artist will perform two or more sets, but for B&S it will be like performing the same concert twice in one night.
If Eddie Izzard had not been already booked at the Warner, B&S would have probably done one concert there. There aren't that many theatre sized venues in the area. And we all know what a resounding success the show at Constitution Hall was.
Of course they could be playing any of the Fieldhouses (i.e. Bender) in the area... Where the sound would have be lousy and the beer seletion would be lousy. You are getting the change to see a great band in a great intimate venue. In the UK it would be an arena or festival
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This reminds me of the mid-80's at the old 9:30. It wasn't that uncommon to have 2 shows each night. They cleared the club after the first set. Everyone who bought advance tickets for the second set was then let inside. If the 2nd set wasn't sold-out, they'd let the crowd from the first set back inside (free). If the 2nd show was sold out in advance, you were SOL. I seem to recall that if there was an opening band, they got another set too. I may be wrong about that though.
That made for some VERY late nights.
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I highly doubt the two "shows" will have the same setlist.. which is the source of my frustration. I don't care about the other venues and come on.. the 930 is not a great venue.. the sound sucks.. yes I enjoy the massive amounts of shows I can see there.. but this is ridiculous
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Originally posted by CourtneyCrummett:
I don't care about the other venues and come on.. the 930 is not a great venue.. the sound sucks...
I just have to assume you haven't been to that many shows in that many venues, because that is just plain not the case.
And I'll put $10 down that the two 'sets' don't vary by more than 2 or 3 songs. Which you'll probably be back here to complain about because those will be your TWO VERY FAVORITE B&S SONGS...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
In the UK it would be an arena or festival [/b]
Which personally is one of the things I love about the 930.
Echo & The Bunnymen
Waterboys
Beautiful South
The Verve
Radiohead
Shane MacGowan
UB40
James
Morrissey
Psychadelic Furs
Those are just bands that I can think of that I've seen at the 930 who would be in MCI type venues at home.
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I am extremely irritated by this second show in one night. True B&S fans have been waiting for months for this show. We planned ahead. Bought tix ahead of time. Paid Ticketmaster's bloody fees (btw, Ticketmaster doesn't even seem to know about this stupid 2nd gig on their site..seems a lil' shady). And now we're all getting the short end of the stick..the shorter show with no chance of encores, kicked out in time for a second set! Generally bad PR. Pissing off their hugest fans. Not impressed. I want to turn my $30 ticket in for the second show. I saw B&S at DAR Const. Hall last year and they sang forever. It was grand. Hours they sang...not a mere hour and "make way for the next show, my dear." This is greedy and I am disgusted. Open to suggestions.
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Is there anyone here who can attest to how long the DAR set was? I was there, and I don't remember this 3 - 4 hour marathon y'all keep referring to.
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Hey, it is more of a question of how many shows have you been to besides the 930. But hey, who really cares. I thought the poor sound was a general opinion. I guess I am wrong and with that I suppose I am finished complaining and on my way to the health center to get my ears cleaned out. Thanks for listening.
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Man. You Brits are a crotchety bunch....
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Originally posted by chatondouxx:
Ticketmaster doesn't even seem to know about this stupid 2nd gig on their site..seems a lil' shady
ticketmaster doesn't sell 930 club tickets..its tickets.com
and really people, if you are so pissed at this band for scheduling a second show...stop buying tix for them or buying their albums...that'll show those greedy bastards :roll:
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second show is onsale at tickets.com... the band must have used ticketmaster for their presale because the 930 club only uses tickets.com for their shows.
tickets.com (http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?organ_val=3595&pid=5243223)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Man. You Brits are a crotchety bunch....
....and this weather brings out the best in us.
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the constitution hall show was over by 11pm at the latest...
secondly just because it says doors open at 10:30 for the second show doesn't mean its actually gonna happen. thatguy can control lots of things at the club, but opening doors at a scheduled time is not always one of them. if the band decides to run long during the first show then the people outside will have to wait a little longer. for the second mighty wind show, the first show didn't even letout until 10pm, which is when the doors were suppose to open for the second show.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the first show didn't even letout until 10pm, which is when the doors were suppose to open for the second show.
So it all balances out. They piss off the first show crowd but just to be fair, decide to piss the second show mob off too by making them wait outside for longer than is posted. Class, pure class.
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i have nothing let to say on this matter...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i have nothing let to say on this matter...
Me neither! Other than I shouldn't have expected anything else from a damn jocko, so it's my own fault.
Okay, now I have nothing else to say..bye bye!
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Only Rhett could give a proper response to this quagmire...
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Each show will be 90 minutes long, per B&S' contract. As previously explained, they are not taking one show and splitting it in half, they are doing 2 full shows. If the second show hadn't been added, the first show would still have been 90 minutes. No one is getting less bang for their buck here.
Some of you have made the assumption that first show ticket-holders are being screwed because the second show will somehow be better. I would bet money that, had the late show been onsale first and an earlier show added, these same people would be bitching that the first show would be better because the band will be too tired for the second show. If you don't like the situation, please take Seth up on his refund offer, and for god's sake quit whining.
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Originally posted by twangirl:
I would bet money that, had the late show been onsale first and an earlier show added, these same people would be bitching that the first show would be better because the band will be too tired for the second show. If you don't like the situation, please take Seth up on his refund offer, and for god's sake quit whining.
I see the 930 club is very big on customer service....... :roll: You must make Seth very proud.
Had I known there were two shows on the same evening I personally WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT A TICKET FOR EITHER FUCKING SHOW!
It's not the money that is the issue with me, it's the principal..and I stand by my opinion that both performances will be inferior than if there was just one show during the evening.
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Question:
When Phil Collins played the Live Aid in Britain and then took the Concord to America to play a gig the same day... which show was better?? did the Americans complain about getting a jet-lagged Collins on stage?? or did the Brits feel he would half arse the UK show so he wouldn't be too tired to play the America gig after crossing the Atlantic??? hmmmm
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Originally posted by Fico:
Question:
When Phil Collins played the Live Aid in Britain and then took the Concord to America to play a gig the same day... which show was better?? did the Americans complain about getting a jet-lagged Collins on stage?? or did the Brits feel he would half arse the UK show so he wouldn't be too tired to play the America gig after crossing the Atlantic??? hmmmm
who cares, it was Phil Collins
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Originally posted by Fico:
Question:
When Phil Collins played the Live Aid in Britain and then took the Concord to America to play a gig the same day... which show was better?? did the Americans complain about getting a jet-lagged Collins on stage?? or did the Brits feel he would half arse the UK show so he wouldn't be too tired to play the America gig after crossing the Atlantic??? hmmmm
Looks like the surgery to get your head out of your arse was a failure.
First of all, he sang what? Three songs at each performance. Second, you can't compare live-aid with a single band concert. Live aid was more of a circus than a serious show, albeit for a very good cause.
Bad analogy Fico, even worse than some of GGW's.
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You guys need to watch "The Joe Schmo Show" -- Kip was the king of analogies!! ;)
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Originally posted by CourtneyCrummett:
Hey, it is more of a question of how many shows have you been to besides the 930. But hey, who really cares. I thought the poor sound was a general opinion. I guess I am wrong and with that I suppose I am finished complaining and on my way to the health center to get my ears cleaned out. Thanks for listening.
I am sorry I can not let this one stand. Poor sound, what shows, what bands, when, and compared to what venues? Look I have been to many venues and have worked with many artists and their soundmen at the 9:30 and 95% of them mention that this spot is the highlight of their tour as the staph and sound is so good. Remember most bands now have their own engineers and often all their own equipment (yep they hang their own PA in the club, a real pain in the ass), so it is the band that sucks and not necessarily the venue.
So again, what are you comparing the sound to and for what shows.
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I've seen Belle and Sebastian 3 times...first time the set was probably about 1 hour and 20 minutes (that was at the Metro in Chicago), second time was at the Black Cat (roughly the same time frame) and at Constitution Hall the show was a good 1 hour and 45 minutes. I can't imagine they're going to do radically different sets. I would imagine maybe 2 or 3 songs might be different. Hopefully folks will write down the setlists and we can compare. I doubt we'll be getting a 2-hour set a piece, but if we get 90 minutes I'll be happy. I know it's not exactly fair, but hey...I don't think B&S are going to screw their fans. They're a great band, nice people, and they're going to do their best to keep everyone happy. If you've ever seen them live, you'll know that the love flows like honey. When I saw them in Chicago, I was sitting in the balcony during the opening band's set and Isabel sat down behind me. We started talking and she offered to put me on the guest list for the DC show at the Black Cat, which was WAY WAY WAY sold out by that point. I was ecstatic that she remembered to do it, so she got me and a buddy into the show. So needless to say, they try their best to make everyone happy.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
If you've ever seen them live, you'll know that the love flows like honey.
Yeah, but do their fans know that? As I mentioned recently in another thread on something or other, the one time I was most in danger of being punched was at a Jellyfish show, where the love and actual flowers were flowing freely, except in the crowd.
If everyone relaxes, a good time can be had by all. At one of the best venues in the country, folks!
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I can't speak for the sound board set up. What I can say is that hearing about the great sound at the 930 for years, I had high expectations. Having now been here for a year, and having seen a lot of shows at 930, I can say that I am generally disappointed. This is not to trash the vibe of the 930, b/c it is solid. The point I am making is that for a epic venue, which 930 is, the sound should be more uniform and of a higher quality. And now with the crap going down surrounding B and S, I am generally disappointed.
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So where do they have better sound?
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Cats Cradle NC
Sapphire Supper FL
State Theater FL
Garage UK
Higher Ground VT
State Theatre ME
Club Toast VT
Wetlands NYC
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Funny, then, how 9:30 Club keeps getting voted top five in the Nation as the best mid-sized venue by Pollstar. Guess all those professionals are wrong. Or maybe they just fall for the 'hipster' quotient.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
So where do they have better sound?
I can tell you that Nation, Patriot and Nissan are all much, much worse than the 930.
Black cat is hit and miss for the sound. I've only been to the State Theater once and that had great sound.
I think 930 is generally good for sound quality, but it does depend on the band to a great extent. I'm trying to think of a show at the 930 that I was disapointed with the sound quality and can't think of any off the top of my head. My mate got dragged to David Lee Roth and said that was just terrible, but I imagine that's because it was David Lee Roth.
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sound at the 930 is dependent on where you stand, just like everywhere else....
You are not standing right up front are you?
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Sound at the 9:30 is generally pretty phenomenal. I don't know if maybe it's just because of where I usually stand or the shows I go to see, but having been to some places with abysmal sound (the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, Lisner Auditorium at GWU, Nation) I can safely tell you that the 9:30 has improved quite a lot since the days it was WUST Radio Music Hall. A lot has to do with how much money a venue will put into its PA...and of course who is performing, what kind of equipment they bring in, etc. Generally, bands love to play the 9:30 because for the most part they can show up, know that there will be few problems, and just put their focus into doing a good show. The House of Blues generally has good sound (I've been to a few of them in different places.) There are some steep ticket prices, but I still love the 9:30 and aside from some minor complaints I believe it truly is a great concert venue.
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I'm always impressed with the sound at the 9:30 club. Only a couple of times I was disappointed was when smaller bands brought in their own sound team. At other venues, especially the larger/outdoor ones, I compare to the 9:30 club, and 9:30 club is always better in my opinion.
Re: B&S, Court,pls. read Twangirl's post, she stated that the two shows are contracted to perform the same amount of time. I agree w/ Bagster, I really doubt they will change the setlist all that much.
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Originally posted by I am Markie. Annoy Mattie:
sound at the 930 is dependent on where you stand, just like everywhere else....
You are not standing right up front are you?
Good point, downstairs from about 2/3 towards the back I find to be the best spots. If you stand close to either bar you may bump into Sharon and Tracy talking about Chad all 'effing night, depending on who's performing! Upstairs seems to get too fuzzy, probably the echo from the ceiling or something.
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Originally posted by El Tee:
I'm always impressed with the sound at the 9:30 club. Only a couple of times I was disappointed was when smaller bands brought in their own sound team. At other venues, especially the larger/outdoor ones, I compare to the 9:30 club, and 9:30 club is always better in my opinion.
Re: B&S, Court,pls. read Twangirl's post, she stated that the two shows are contracted to perform the same amount of time. I agree w/ Bagster, I really doubt they will change the setlist all that much.
Thanks, I read it. I am glad to hear about the length, but I doubt the setlists will be different. But I am over it. I will never know if the second show was better because I won't be there. It all works out in the end, I can catch the metro and not be worthless the next day. I am sure that my drama will subside and I will be sure to take advice from the forum on where to place myself for the show and future shows. I have definately been an avid Balcony Stage Right 930 person... maybe that is my prob with the sound.
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hunh, no more need for argument, just saw this on the main page:
The 10:30pm Show of Belle & Sebastain has been cancelled due to an illness in the band.
The 7:30pm show will go on as scheduled.
Refunds are available at the place of purchase through 11/11/03.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
hunh, no more need for argument, just saw this on the main page:
The 10:30pm Show of Belle & Sebastain has been cancelled due to an illness in the band.
The 7:30pm show will go on as scheduled.
Refunds are available at the place of purchase through 11/11/03.
Look at what all my belly aching has done! KARMA SUCKS and now I feel like an ass.. see you all at the show.!
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Originally posted by CourtneyCrummett:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
hunh, no more need for argument, just saw this on the main page:
The 10:30pm Show of Belle & Sebastain has been cancelled due to an illness in the band.
The 7:30pm show will go on as scheduled.
Refunds are available at the place of purchase through 11/11/03.
Look at what all my belly aching has done! KARMA SUCKS and now I feel like an ass.. see you all at the show.! [/b]
I know I'm a cynical old bastard..BUT..why is it the illness doesn't affect the first show? I think the only ailment is the ticket sales for the second show. Unless there's two sets of musicians or something like that.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
hunh, no more need for argument, just saw this on the main page:
The 10:30pm Show of Belle & Sebastain has been cancelled due to an illness in the band.
The 7:30pm show will go on as scheduled.
Refunds are available at the place of purchase through 11/11/03.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry,couldn't help it,karma burns.Hope the illness isn't serious.
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Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
hunh, no more need for argument, just saw this on the main page:
The 10:30pm Show of Belle & Sebastain has been cancelled due to an illness in the band.
The 7:30pm show will go on as scheduled.
Refunds are available at the place of purchase through 11/11/03.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry,couldn't help it,karma burns.Hope the illness isn't serious. [/b]
Nothing serious, just a case of "litewalletitous" ;)
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oh bloody hell! it figures!
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
hunh, no more need for argument, just saw this on the main page:
The 10:30pm Show of Belle & Sebastain has been cancelled due to an illness in the band.
The 7:30pm show will go on as scheduled.
Refunds are available at the place of purchase through 11/11/03.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I know I'm a cynical old bastard..BUT..why is it the illness doesn't affect the first show? I think the only ailment is the ticket sales for the second show. [/b]
jesus fucking christ. a second show is added and you complain. the second show is cancelled and you complain. unbelievable. you sound like a radiohead fan.
if we arranged a six hour long performance for you and your wife in the comfort of your living room, you'd probably complain that the crew trampled your pansies while bringing the gear in.
the second show was selling very well. the singer felt like he wasn't capable of perfoming at his best for two shows in one night when he wasn't 100% healthy. you kept saying that you didn't think they could pull off two shows. apparently, they agree. you were right. you win!
just so you know what to expect when you show up: you will be showing your id, the beer still costs the same, and dave still works the backbar fairly regularly. start your complaining now.
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so no 2nd show tonight AND eddie izzard is sold out. i kinda though for a band that gives their all when they perform, that 2 shows in a night was going to be a stretch.
so i guess its high heel race only for me tonight.
oh well. :(
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by mankie:
I know I'm a cynical old bastard..BUT..why is it the illness doesn't affect the first show? I think the only ailment is the ticket sales for the second show. [/b]
jesus fucking christ. a second show is added and you complain. the second show is cancelled and you complain. unbelievable. you sound like a radiohead fan.
if we arranged a six hour long performance for you and your wife in the comfort of your living room, you'd probably complain that the crew trampled your pansies while bringing the gear in.
the second show was selling very well. the singer felt like he wasn't capable of perfoming at his best for two shows in one night when he wasn't 100% healthy. you kept saying that you didn't think they could pull off two shows. apparently, they agree. you were right. you win!
just so you know what to expect when you show up: you will be showing your id, the beer still costs the same, and dave still works the backbar fairly regularly. start your complaining now. [/b]
Easy there big fella...the comment you responded to is not a complaint, merely my thoughts on the reason they cancelled. The very first comment I made on this issue was nothing more than me expressing disapointment that they added a second show AFTER I had bought my ticket, which I wouldn't have bought had I known about two shows in the first place. I then ended up having to defend myself for simply being disapointed. I said many many times it's no big deal once I had got it off my chest, but others wouldn't let it drop...the fact that they cancelled for the reason you posted proves my point completely, even though all these know-it-alls, including yourself and twangirl, made comments to the contrary.
I don't complain about "Super-Dave" I just said he's a miserable git so dont' go down there...I DO complain about the price of Boddingtons in club because it's nothing short of robbery the money you charge...that's all I complain about really, the others are observations made on a PUBLIC FORUM that's what I thought PUBLIC FORUMS are for.......no?
Finally, I don't believe pansies blossom in the fall.
I think you're angry because I was right all along about the second show...don't be, it's okay!
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Well thatguy, if it's any consolation, I'm tremendously excited about the show. Belle and Sebastian shows are pretty cool, IMO. My experience has always been that the audiences are courteous, polite, but also there to have a good time and enjoy the music. So it should hopefully be a good time. I just wonder if now they'll be doing the standard 10pm set time.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
Well thatguy, if it's any consolation, I'm tremendously excited about the show. Belle and Sebastian shows are pretty cool, IMO. My experience has always been that the audiences are courteous, polite, but also there to have a good time and enjoy the music. So it should hopefully be a good time. I just wonder if now they'll be doing the standard 10pm set time.
If you read this whole thread, "info" says the first show was contracted as an early show for 90 minutes. I don't see them having a 10pm set time. But who knows.
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Originally posted by twangirl:
Each show will be 90 minutes long, per B&S' contract.
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Originally posted by CourtneyCrummett:
If you read this whole thread, "info" says the first show was contracted as an early show for 90 minutes. I don't see them having a 10pm set time. But who knows.
"Second Washington show is CANCELLED
2003-10-28
With great regret we've had to cancel the late show at the 9.30 club in Washington DC tonight (Tuesday October 28th). Stuart has a chest infection, and he's unable to sing two sets. We're really sorry about any inconvenience caused, and wouldn't be taking these measures if it wasn't absolutely necessary.
Please contact the venue for information on ticket refunds. The times for the early show are unchanged. Sorry!"
http://www.belleandsebastian.com/news.php (http://www.belleandsebastian.com/news.php)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Stuart has a chest infection, and he's unable to sing two sets. [/b]
Rub some Vicks on it, wear your scarf and you'll be fine..fucking emo boy!
DISCLAIMER FOR THATGUY......THAT WAS NOT A COMPLAINT, MERELY A SARCASTIC COMMENT ABOUT STUART OF BELLE & SEBASTIAN AND THE WHOLE WHIMPY "EMO" THING...THANK YOU.
signed,
mankie.
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ggw.. thanks for the info.. hope everyone has a good time.
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my post was made after a couple of weeks of folks complaining about a second show being added followed by a night of answering phones and hearing people complain that it was cancelled. i let loose some frustration at the first complaint i saw on the board. it shouldn't all have been directed at one person. my bad. won't happen again. for the record, i wasn't angry then, and i'm not angry now. frustrated and annoyed is not the same as angry. the negative attitude on this board really does annoy me sometimes. it's just very contrary to the way i see the world.
after getting some sleep, i still think that the folks that have been/are complaining about this situation need to get over themselves. it's just music. this is the way the business works. if you don't like it, don't buy tickets and it won't work that way anymore.
i stand by my earlier statement that it is entirely possible for a band to perform two shows in one evening without compromising the quality of either one. maybe not when someone is sick, but under ideal situations, it can be done.
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Be sure to catch the openers. I was thinking of going just to see them. Fun band.
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what I find interesting is that the folks that complain about it being a business are the same ones that are judging everything on purely business terms themselves
"I'm not getting my money's worth because someone else is trying to get theirs"
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Cats Cradle NC
Sapphire Supper FL
State Theater FL
Garage UK
Higher Ground VT
State Theatre ME
Club Toast VT
Wetlands NYC
Odd array of clubs to list. I have several Burlington friends who always said the sound for all shows up there sucked the chrome off a trailer hitch. I will ask them again.
IIRC Cat's Cradle designed their club on the 9:30 and people's comments said same place bad sound and crew.
Garage in the UK. That I thought is a rave club, not a live concert venue. I find Nation great for rave stuff but for live sound, it is pretty crappy.
Never heard of the others. Have links to their sites?
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According to the front page, the set times have been changed to 8:30 for Slumber Party and 9:45 for Belle and Sebastian. I hope this is true. Because the earlier times really didn't work for me. It's hard to get there that early on a work night, and I really want to see Slumber Party. I heard there are a really cool band.
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Belle And Sebastian tonight. I'll be there. I'll be there. :cool:
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Great show. Mankie will be unhappy B&S played for about two hours.
A few pointers/observations:
1. Between the words "9:30" and "Club" on the ticket, add the words "is not a karaoke." That and the shrieking. I hope the girl behind me lost her voice.
2. A very scary moment when they brought on stage some guy who looked like a cleaner, thinner, sober version of Badly Drawn Boy (with the wool knit cap and homeless dude coat and all). Of course, he was just some fan they grabbed from the line to help them sing. And not only was he cleaner, thinner and sober than Damian, he also knew the words and performed well. So obviously, it wasn't Badly Drawn Boy.
3. Between songs, sometimes very quiet -- people were INTO the music. And the performance was quite good, good setlist, played maybe half of Tigermilk.
4. Slumber Party sound somewhat like Luna, esp. the lead guitarist is a Sean Eden wannabe. Which ain't a bad thing to wannnabe. After a while they got a bit old but a fairly decent opener. I felt bad for them when the crowd booed Stuart's suggestion to bring them out for a song.
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wonderful show. blew the dar gig out of the water. superb lighting, bashful banter, plenty of 'oldies,' as they put it. dude, don't harsh my mellow.
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I had such a phenomenal time...absolutely amazing gig. I really wish I would have written down the setlist, does anyone happen to have it? The new material really did hold up nicely against the oldies. The highlights for me were definitely "Sleep the Clock Around" (ALWAYS great to hear that one), "Women's Realm", "Like Dylan in the Movies", "Judy and the Dream of Horses", "Wrapped Up In Books", "Dirty Dream #2", and "My Wandering Days Are Over". WOW. I'm really tempted to go up to the Philly show now.
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One of the best...if not THE best show I've seen at the 930 in a long time. They actually sound better live than on cd, and I don't just mean because of the live music thing. Their emotion/feeling/energy seems to be missing on some of their studio recordings. Even the light show was impressive. I was very tempted to yell "Thanks Badly Drawn Boy" when that bloke came on stage, but I'm not a loud mouth like markie.
And for J'mal the smart arsed fuck....lucky there wasn't a second show with the first one ending around 11:40'ish..the second show chumps would've been pretty wet standing in the rain for all that time huh? Had they had the second show the first would've been about 20 minutes long seeing as it was after 9:30 when they graced the stage! WANKER!
Slumber Party...complete, utter, total shite. Sorry, we tried our best to like them, but they were just awful so we went to the back bar out of the way, and was pleasantly surprised to find a very cheerful bartender down there.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
1. Between the words "9:30" and "Club" on the ticket, add the words "is not a karaoke."
Amen. I was very unfortunately stuck next to an incredibly obnoxious and inconsiderate couple who both saw fit to warble away, loudly and off key, to at least half the songs. Even during "Beautiful" when it's just quiet Stuart and a quiet guitar---oh, how I wanted to KILL HER! She didn't even get the words right. Also, giant pink furry hats are unacceptable concert attire.
Sorry, I needed to vent. It was a fantastic show once the unwelcome singing stopped.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
and "My Wandering Days Are Over". WOW.
Dang... I don't remember them playing "MWDAO"... and it's one of my favorites? I hope I didn't miss this one while in the loo... but I think they didn't play it. Help?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Slumber Party...complete, utter, total shite. Sorry, we tried our best to like them, but they were just awful so we went to the back bar out of the way, and was pleasantly surprised to find a very cheerful bartender down there.
You know, I found their music OK but their stage presence a total and utter turn-off. I mean, no dancing, no moving, no smiling even. They were either terrified or are just ass-boring. Really sucked, since I felt like I could get into their stuff if I hadn't seen them stand on stage petrified...
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That's funny, because I thought they were much more animated and fun that I expected. This being my first time seeing them, I sort of expected a super-serious affair, which I was prepared not to fully appreciate. Instead, we got funny (actually funny) banter, impromptu covers (at least they acted like it was) and a much more rocking vibe than their albums, which was great. I agree with Mankie; they are actually better live than recorded. All in all, that's one of the better shows I've seen all year, and possibly ever. As close to perfect a show as I think I've ever seen.
Originally posted by sillygirl:
Originally posted by mankie:
Slumber Party...complete, utter, total shite. Sorry, we tried our best to like them, but they were just awful so we went to the back bar out of the way, and was pleasantly surprised to find a very cheerful bartender down there.
You know, I found their music OK but their stage presence a total and utter turn-off. I mean, no dancing, no moving, no smiling even. They were either terrified or are just ass-boring. Really sucked, since I felt like I could get into their stuff if I hadn't seen them stand on stage petrified... [/b]
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sounds like a good was had by all... wish could have been there.
i was instead laughing my arse off at the f'ing funy eddie izzard. eddie riffed for two hours on the odyssey, nedanderthal man, going to the dentist and being born in yemen. funny funny stuff, i even got his clangers joke :D
eddie's my hero these days seeing as he arranged it so that people buying his tickets would not be subjected to the extra ticketmaster fees. hopefully others will follow suit...
i also could have easily sold my tickets for a premium price due to the high demand for those unable to buy their own.
{thanks to nkotbie for pointing out the error in my logic }
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I'm confused? He purposefully made it so you had to pay extra fees?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
eddie's my hero these days seeing as he arranged it so that people buying his tickets would be subjected to extra ticketmaster fees. hopefully others will follow suit...
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Originally posted by nkotbie:
I'm confused? He purposefully made it so you had to pay extra fees?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
eddie's my hero these days seeing as he arranged it so that people buying his tickets would be subjected to extra ticketmaster fees. hopefully others will follow suit...
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ooops typing to fast and not proofing... a good indication why i didn't always get good grades :eek:
he set it up so that people would not have to pay the ticketmaster surchanges...
sorry for the confusion, i'll get back in my little white jacket with the straps now
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J'Mal, you said it! The Karoke was almost too much for me to handle, some nasty girl singing the wrong lyrics into my ear could have killed the experience for me.. but I triumphed over her and told her to shut her pie hole.
Great show and the sound was the best I have ever experienced at the 930.
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I know hanging out on this board can drive you nuts, but I didn't think it was THAT bad!
Not to change the topic too much (I know that's a crime around these parts ;) ), but what is the deal with Izzard? I've seen him before, and he never really struck me as that funny, although I admit to not really knowing much about him except that he (used to?) wears lipstick and mascera (or am I thinking of someone else?). Please enlighten me...
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by nkotbie:
I'm confused? He purposefully made it so you had to pay extra fees?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
eddie's my hero these days seeing as he arranged it so that people buying his tickets would be subjected to extra ticketmaster fees. hopefully others will follow suit...
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ooops typing to fast and not proofing... a good indication why i didn't always get good grades :eek:
he set it up so that people would not have to pay the ticketmaster surchanges...
sorry for the confusion, i'll get back in my little white jacket with the straps now [/b]
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Originally posted by nkotbie:
That's funny, because I thought they were much more animated and fun that I expected. This being my first time seeing them, I sort of expected a super-serious affair, which I was prepared not to fully appreciate. Instead, we got funny (actually funny) banter, impromptu covers (at least they acted like it was) and a much more rocking vibe than their albums, which was great. I agree with Mankie; they are actually better live than recorded. All in all, that's one of the better shows I've seen all year, and possibly ever. As close to perfect a show as I think I've ever seen.
Originally posted by sillygirl:
Originally posted by mankie:
Slumber Party...complete, utter, total shite. Sorry, we tried our best to like them, but they were just awful so we went to the back bar out of the way, and was pleasantly surprised to find a very cheerful bartender down there.
You know, I found their music OK but their stage presence a total and utter turn-off. I mean, no dancing, no moving, no smiling even. They were either terrified or are just ass-boring. Really sucked, since I felt like I could get into their stuff if I hadn't seen them stand on stage petrified... [/b]
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We were referring to Slumber Party, Not B&S
BTW...what's with the blokes wearing those cloth caps? Is it a B&S thing? I never knew I was ahead of my time in 1976 when I wore one whilst working in a cotton mill in Manchester....those wearing them looked like right pratts last night, but maybe that's the intent... :confused:
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Oops...I point out Kosmo's slip up, and then can't even keep my head together enough to follow the conversation. Sorry about that.
However, I kind of dug Slumber Party. While I wouldn't want to see them again (agreed that live there just weren't worth seeing), the songs were all pretty decent. Don't know if I'd buy an album, but I sure would listen to it if I had the chance.
Originally posted by mankie:
We were referring to Slumber Party, Not B&S
BTW...what's with the blokes wearing those cloth caps? Is it a B&S thing? I never knew I was ahead of my time in 1976 when I wore one whilst working in a cotton mill in Manchester....those wearing them looked like right pratts last night, but maybe that's the intent... :confused:
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Originally posted by sillygirl:
Originally posted by bunnyman:
and "My Wandering Days Are Over". WOW.
Dang... I don't remember them playing "MWDAO"... and it's one of my favorites? I hope I didn't miss this one while in the loo... but I think they didn't play it. Help? [/b]
You're right, they didn't. Was that really the lovin' spoonfuls that they played? If so what song was it? I left my Stuart Murdoch translator at home.
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at constitution hall b&s weren't the most animated group every... the female who sings lead often did so with her hands in the pockets of her jeans. and the brief display of dancing from one of the trumpets players was pretty stiff...
i was kinda of disappointed with the slumberparty cd and would suspect they are better suited live for blackcat backstage.
eddie izzard's comedy is very clever because he's obviously well read and intelligent...
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Originally posted by mankie:
Had they had the second show the first would've been about 20 minutes long seeing as it was after 9:30 when they graced the stage! WANKER!
the set times were changed back to something closer to our standard. if the second show had happened, they would've started earlier.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by mankie:
Had they had the second show the first would've been about 20 minutes long seeing as it was after 9:30 when they graced the stage! WANKER!
the set times were changed back to something closer to our standard. if the second show had happened, they would've started earlier. [/b]
I assumed that...I was just responding to wankstain J'Mals comment.
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Yeah, it was a great show. I would have enjoyed it more if I wouldn't have been so god-awful tired from having a very busy couple of days. By the time B&S finished their encore, I was ready to be teleported straight into my bed.. instead of that hourlong drive back to Baltimore.
Slumber Party lived up to their namesake--they put me to sleep. Their set was overlong. The music, uninspired. These girls should learn to rock out a little more and stay away from the repetitive swirly-droll guitar stylings. I've to agree with mankie's assestment:
Slumber Party...complete, utter, total shite. Sorry, we tried our best to like them, but they were just awful so we went to the back bar out of the way, and was pleasantly surprised to find a very cheerful bartender down there.
B&S were very good. Although, during the first few songs, I detected a low-energy vibe from the band, probably due to Stuart's illness. I liked that they poured out the 'oldies', going all the way back to 'Tigermilk'. Bunnyman is spot on--the new material does blend nicely with the oldies. I enjoyed their banter with the audience ('hey dude, don't harsh on my mellow') and that particular bit about Stuart's shirt ('take your shirt off''leave it on!'). In general, a very enjoyable show.
And oh, bunnyman, they didn't do 'My Wandering Days Are Over'. :cool:
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The thing I try to remind myself about Belle and Sebastian is that these were college students who formed for a project...I really think in some ways that this profession chose them and not the other way around. The success of Tigermilk took them by great surprise. Not that they didn't have a choice in their professions, but they are very much just ordinary people who get together and play music. I think it still surprises them to go from being in Glasgow to playing around the world to thousands of adoring fans. As much as they try to be "professional" about their presentation, I will always look at them as just ordinary people that play extraordinary music. What you see is what you get...and frankly, I would go see them again in a minute. If you want action, pyrotechnics and dancers, go see Britney Spears.
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They didn't? Jeez...what song am I thinking of then? You know what...my confusion is that they did it at DAR (at least it's on my setlist from the show).
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Gotta agree here with a lot of the comments. This was the best show I've caught in recent memory. Their live sound was better than I expected or even hoped and the setlist was a great mix of old faves and I see myself making a purchase of the latest soon.
Hadn't heard Slumber Party before and not impressed except for the few songs by the lead guitarist...kind of a Holly Golightly sound I liked. Maybe they are better in the studio.
After all the 2 show controversy, my only disappointment was not being able to catch The Decemberists at Black Cat...(ironic, no?)anyone see that show?
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The reviews all seem to be pretty positive:
Decemberists/Joggers (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005063)
Originally posted by elusive:
Gotta agree here with a lot of the comments. This was the best show I've caught in recent memory. Their live sound was better than I expected or even hoped and the setlist was a great mix of old faves and I see myself making a purchase of the latest soon.
Hadn't heard Slumber Party before and not impressed except for the few songs by the lead guitarist...kind of a Holly Golightly sound I liked. Maybe they are better in the studio.
After all the 2 show controversy, my only disappointment was not being able to catch The Decemberists at Black Cat...(ironic, no?)anyone see that show?
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Don't B&S have a reputation for mediocre live shows? Or did I make that up? They definitely lived up to that notion the last two times I saw them, hence I didn't shell out for the 930 show. Don't get me wrong, been one of my favorite bands for a long time now, but the times I've seen them they were pretty sloppy and lacking in energy, which is kinda the point, but, you know what I mean.
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hmmm, I liked the DAR show, and i wasn't even a fan (didn't know them; a friend got tickets, I like 'em now). The light show was fantastic, and it was just kind of fun trippy over all. I figured any lack of energy had to do with the venue -- everyone sitting down.
Didn't see the 9:30 show 'cuz I had other stuff going on. Happily caught the Decemberists, and sadly missed B&S and Arlo.
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I've seen them 4 times now, and 3 of the 4 times they've been really terrific. I'd hardly call them mediocre. The 3 times I've seen them do great shows, they sound better than on record. I just bought my tickets to see them in Philly...I took a friend of mine to the show and he enjoyed it so much that he insisted we drive up to see them.
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anyone have the setlist?
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Originally posted by beerbaron:
anyone have the setlist?
Dumb but honest question....why is the setlist so important to so many board members?
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I don't know Mank. I rarely want one, though sometimes I'm interested if there was a cover I can't think of, or it's a band I'm not too familiar with and I'm planning to look up a particular album with some songs I liked from the show.
Hell, I can barely remember the shows I went to, and when, much less worry about what the band played at various shows.
Oh, and when Liz Phair was coming, I wouldn't buy a ticket until I saw other set lists to be sure she was playing Exile material....
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Originally posted by Bagster:
I don't know Mank. I rarely want one, though sometimes I'm interested if there was a cover I can't think of, or it's a band I'm not too familiar with and I'm planning to look up a particular album with some songs I liked from the show.
Hell, I can barely remember the shows I went to, and when, much less worry about what the band played at various shows.
Oh, and when Liz Phair was coming, I wouldn't buy a ticket until I saw other set lists to be sure she was playing Exile material....
I can understand it if someone wasn't at the show but wanted to know what they sang, but if you were there what does it matter after it's over? I couldn't tell you what B&S sang the other night..to me, asking for the setlist is like asking for the script after you've watched a movie.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I can understand it if someone wasn't at the show but wanted to know what they sang, but if you were there what does it matter after it's over? I couldn't tell you what B&S sang the other night..to me, asking for the setlist is like asking for the script after you've watched a movie.
people go nuts over those little pieces of paper, and really anything that's on the stage. i've had people ask for cigarette butts, used kleenex, little pieces of tape, and tons of other things that were on stage. i don't get it either.
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Some setlists are probably worth big bucks to the right people. I like having some from great shows I have gone to to help remember what I heard. Heck I have the set list for The Go-Betweens from the old club back in the mid 80's. It was a great set.
For shows I was at, sometimes I forget the order or if it is a song I don't know nice to know the name.
Still nothing beats the John Mayer fans wanting his water bottle to get a bit of DNA to clone him (their idea not mine).
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Personally, I really enjoy having the setlist. I think it's just one of those cool concert momentos. It's even better if the setlist has been handwritten. I've got a bunch of great setlists...Radiohead from Merriweather, Oasis' first show at the old 9:30 signed by Noel Gallagher, the Stone Roses from WUST (signed by the entire band, complete with guitar picks from Manny and John Squire), Bob Mould (handwritten by himself), Belle & Sebastian from Constitution Hall, etc. etc. It's fun to see what a band played, in what order...I have a bunch of Echo & the Bunnymen setlists, it's just fun to go back and look what they played. It's also interesting to see if they were going to play a certain song, then changed their minds and did something else instead.
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I think, though, Mankie was talking about when folks on the board ask someone to post the setlist -- i.e., just the list of songs. Not the physical list from the stage, which certainly has memento value for some.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
I think, though, Mankie was talking about when folks on the board ask someone to post the setlist -- i.e., just the list of songs. Not the physical list from the stage, which certainly has memento value for some.
Yes, that's what I was asking. I can see some people wanting the actual setlist, like an autograph only better.
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last night on xmu ch 43 (yeah, can you tell i talk about it a lot?) tobi played a ton of new-ish B&S songs, very wonderful. not that that has anything to do with the show or a setlist, i just felt like taking up more space on the thread.
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Originally posted by I Heart Walkie:
last night on xmu ch 43 (yeah, can you tell i talk about it a lot?) tobi played a ton of new-ish B&S songs, very wonderful. not that that has anything to do with the show or a setlist, i just felt like taking up more space on the thread.
Paige, if Walkie won't marry you, I bet J'Mal will.
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
Originally posted by I Heart Walkie:
last night on xmu ch 43 (yeah, can you tell i talk about it a lot?) tobi played a ton of new-ish B&S songs, very wonderful. not that that has anything to do with the show or a setlist, i just felt like taking up more space on the thread.
Paige, if Walkie won't marry you, I bet J'Mal will. [/b]
well, it's always nice to have backup. :p but walkie is the best. he loves pirate spazdancing and ft reno in the rain. very lovely, indeed.