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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: chaz on September 28, 2007, 07:14:00 am
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I know we do this every year, but this years lot seems even more pathetic than normal:
Madonna
Beastie Boys
Dave Clark Five
Leonard Cohen
Afrika Bambaataa
John Mellencamp
the Ventures
Donna Summer
Chic
Ughh.
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The Beastie Boys?
Man, they're scraping the bottom on the barrel.
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I think "Hall(s) of Fame" are stupid and pointless but if the "classic rock" contigent bleat on about rap not "belonging" in the RnR HOF then they'd have to protest Ms. Ciccone as well. She's been a LOT of things. I don't think "rock" was one of them. Actually, The Beasties Boys (for all intents and purposes, a rap act) were more hardcore punk in the beginning. They'd probably qualify more.
Is there a good list of people who AREN'T in the Hall of Fame but people feel SHOULD be? Where's Duran Duran? They're eligable aren't they? Maybe this is the year Kiss gets in.
Brian
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Is there a good list of people who AREN'T in the Hall of Fame but people feel SHOULD be? Where's Duran Duran? They're eligable aren't they? Maybe this is the year Kiss gets in.
Brian
Brian- this (http://www.futurerockhall.com/) might help.
50 cent has a good chance in 2024, start planning your vacation around the induction ceremony.
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Originally posted by chaz:
I know we do this every year, but this years lot seems even more pathetic than normal:
Madonna
Beastie Boys
Dave Clark Five
Leonard Cohen
Afrika Bambaataa
John Mellencamp
the Ventures
Donna Summer
Chic
Ughh.
My vote is for Madonna, Beasties, Leonard Cohen, John Mellencamp, and Afrika Bambaataa.
Looks good to me.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
The Beastie Boys?
Man, they're scraping the bottom on the barrel.
Guess you haven't heard Paul's Boutique" then? Dismiss all you want but the Beasties Boys, were up until recently, ahead of the curve. "Sabotage" ranks up there as one of the best rock songs ever written!
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I would have to say that the Dave Clark Five are a bit past their sell by date at this point...
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I think, if anything, hall of fames ought to be overly picky about who they take. Surely the Beastie Boys would make the all-star team for a couple of years, but they're not in the same league as the all time greats. Why don't we put Moises Alou and Mike Mussina in the Hall of Fame while we're at it.
Originally posted by kosmo:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
The Beastie Boys?
Man, they're scraping the bottom on the barrel.
Guess you haven't heard Paul's Boutique" then? Dismiss all you want but the Beasties Boys, were up until recently, ahead of the curve. "Sabotage" ranks up there as one of the best rock songs ever written! [/b]
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i fucking hate madonna.
i would never go to the rock & roll hall of fame, though and i think the whole thing is worthless.
it would be even more worthless if madonna got in.
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I love the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame part is lame, but the rest of the place is pretty neat. It's a hell of alot better than the Experience Music Project. I love all the letters and interesting memorbilia they have gathered there.
I think it also depends on the exhibits...I've seen the Psychadelic one (my favorite), John lennon, the stage costumes, and this year, the Clash and the Doors. Not much of a Doors fan though...
We go there on the way home from Cedar Point.
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To be honest, though I respect a few of these artists, i don't really dont think most of them are worthy.
Never liked the beasties. Paul's boutique was so overplayed the year it came out i wanted to kill myself. Though I can't deny how much they mean to many people who have generally good taste in music, despite minor transgressions like the beasties ;)
John Couger Mellancamp? C'mon, did he ever top Jack and Diane (which seems more like a novelty song from 5th grade)?
Madonna...don't get me started. I think she's talented, but I'm not sure how much of that talent is actual musical talent.
Leonard Cohen, I think I can get with this one.
I'll claim mostly ignorance on Afrika Bambaataa, all I know is he played a big part in early hip hop.
The Ventures, pleasent, somewhat pioneering but not hall worthy imho.
Donner Summer and Chic - I think I'm going to vomit.
For once I agreed with Brian. This R n' R Hall of Fame is stupid and inherently flawed.
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
I love the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame part is lame, but the rest of the place is pretty neat.
nothing wrong with a music-related museum, but the HOF part is stupid. i won't go there because of that. i've seen the building before. that's going to be the extent of it.
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I don't understand why Leonard Cohen wasn't inducted already...?
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Originally posted by chaz:
Never liked the beasties. Paul's boutique was so overplayed the year it came out i wanted to kill myself. Though I can't deny how much they mean to many people who have generally good taste in music, despite minor transgressions like the beasties ;)
Really? I thought PB received a huge WTF when it came out because it was Licensed To Ill Part II. Even I admit to not listening to it much when it first came out because it wasn't what I was expecting. That attitude has changed over the years.
And don't dismiss the influence Chic had on many artists following in their wake...
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Originally posted by chaz:
Donner Summer and Chic - I think I'm going to vomit.
Donna Summer was more involved in the writing of her music than you probably think. 1977's "I Feel Love" changed the pop soundscape overnight.
Chic had the tightest rhythm section of the late 70s/early 80s. The Sugarhill Gang's seminal rap single "Rapper's Delight" used "Good Times" as its rhythm bed.
And Afrika Bambaataa practically invented hip-hop. Denying him HOF entry would be like refusing Chuck Berry.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
And don't dismiss the influence Chic had on many artists following in their wake...
True story. Chic is the shit. Only "disco" (no disprespect to them) group I can think of that doesn't sound dated even today. "I Want Your Love" & "My Forbidden Lover" are the shit. Plus Nile & Bernard were legendary producers with a dumb amount of classics under their belt. Funny shit is, Nile produced more than a few of Madonna's early "classics" . . .
Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Originally posted by chaz:
Donner Summer and Chic - I think I'm going to vomit.
Donna Summer was more involved in the writing of her music than you probably think. 1977's "I Feel Love" changed the pop soundscape overnight.
Chic had the tightest rhythm section of the late 70s/early 80s. The Sugarhill Gang's seminal rap single "Rapper's Delight" used "Good Times" as its rhythm bed.
And Afrika Bambaataa practically invented hip-hop. Denying him HOF entry would be like refusing Chuck Berry. [/b]
True story cubed. :D
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So Metallica didn't make the short this but Mr. "This is OUR COUNTRY!" did?
I have utter, righteous hatred for Mr. Johnny Cougar. To be Mr. I'll-never-sell-songs-for-a-commercial then renounce all that...why? Because he needed the money? No, because he wasn't BEING PLAYED ON RADIO! Ah, too bad you useless squirm.
Brian
P.S. I may hate him more than I hate Pink Floyd, the Beatles and Springsteen.
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P.S. I may hate him more than I hate Pink Floyd, the Beatles and Springsteen.
Man, you have thrown right there three pillars of all the decent rock/pop music you can hear today...I'm sure a lot of the bands you listen to have been influenced by at least one of those names...
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Originally posted by chaz:
Never liked the beasties. Paul's boutique was so overplayed the year it came out i wanted to kill myself. Though I can't deny how much they mean to many people who have generally good taste in music, despite minor transgressions like the beasties ;)
Really? I thought PB received a huge WTF when it came out because it was Licensed To Ill Part II. Even I admit to not listening to it much when it first came out because it wasn't what I was expecting. That attitude has changed over the years.
And don't dismiss the influence Chic had on many artists following in their wake... [/b]
I was living in a college dorm when it came out...It was that and Mother's Milk 24-7. No wonder I had to stay drunk and high that whole year.
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Brian, man, come oooon, there's so much HATE in the world already...give us some loooove baby...give us some looooove...
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
The Beastie Boys?
Man, they're scraping the bottom on the barrel.
Guess you haven't heard Paul's Boutique" then? Dismiss all you want but the Beasties Boys, were up until recently, ahead of the curve. "Sabotage" ranks up there as one of the best rock songs ever written! [/b]
Paul's Boutique is a phenomenal album, but I think it has more to do with the Dust Brothers' production...
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WOW at the Donna Summer/Chic hate.
When is Grace Jones getting inducted? :p
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
P.S. I may hate him more than I hate Pink Floyd, the Beatles and Springsteen.
As a young Walalce, did someone rape you in the ear at some point?
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I can't even defend the Beastie Boys induction with this list of eligible nominees
LOVE
Brian Eno
Todd Rundgren
T. Rex
Mott the Hoople
The Stooges/Iggy Pop
Big Star
The Cure
Gram Parsons
The Faces
Husker Du
Little Feat
The Minutemen
The Replacements
New York Dolls
Sonic Youth
Television
Thin Lizzy
Tom Waits
X
The Zombies
Captain Beefheart
Joy Division
Wire
Violent Femmes
Meat Puppets
Minor Threat
New Order
Lou Reed (solo)
Lee Scratch Perry (and many other reggae artists)
Gang of Four
Pere Ubu
The Fall
The Mekons
The Buzzcocks
The Jam
Peter Gabriel
The Modern Lovers/Jonathan Richman
Richard Thompson
Roxy Music
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wait, none of them have been inducted? this is just ridiculous.
and no Leonard Cohen, even!
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So did the people in Chaz's original list actually make it in, or are they just finalists up for consideration?
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they are only ones on this year ballot and the top five vote getters are inducted....
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With all the bitching about the nominee's and quality control. How many Hall of Famers can you actually care to name?
Here's a few one/none hit wonders already in the Rock and Roll HOF.
The Moonglows
The Impressions
The Rascals
Charlie Christian
Little Willie John
The Contours
LaVern Baker
Hall of Fame nominee tip: The key to getting in quickly is dying. Bill Monroe got in and he played bluegrass!
Ricky Nelson - died '85, HoF '87
Curtis Mayfield - died '00, HoF '03
Frank Zappa - died '93, HoF '95
George Harrison - died '01, HoF '04
Bill Monroe - died '96, HoF '97
Ramones - Joey died '01, HoF '02
Clash - Joe died '02, HoF '03
Del Shannon - died '90, HoF '99
George Harrison - died '01, HoF '02
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
P.S. I may hate him more than I hate Pink Floyd, the Beatles and Springsteen.
As a young Walalce, did someone rape you in the ear at some point? [/b]
I think "raped" is a little strong but I WAS inappropriately touched a couple days ago by that new Springsteen single "(This is polluting the) Radio (and my career is going) Nowhere.)
Brian
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Most glaring ommission:
The Stooges
the NPR recording of their 9:30 show from earlier this year is the best balls-to-the-wall rock music I've heard in ages.
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I'll put money down now that the Beastie Boys and Madonna make it. The Rock Hall foundation is in love with any act that has a New York connection (Beasties) and who has been a "friend" of the RRHOF in the past (Madonna).
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
P.S. I may hate him more than I hate Pink Floyd, the Beatles and Springsteen.
As a young Walalce, did someone rape you in the ear at some point? [/b]
I think "raped" is a little strong but I WAS inappropriately touched a couple days ago by that new Springsteen single "(This is polluting the) Radio (and my career is going) Nowhere.)
Brian [/b]
Actually, I think it's more like very reluctantly having sex with a partner you've lost that loving feeling for. You just lay there going through the minimal amount of motions. Kind of like an almost dead fish out of water. Either way, once you are done, you still feel filthy.
Regarding Pink Floyd and The Beatles, you're on your own, buddy.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
I can't even defend the Beastie Boys induction with this list of eligible nominees
LOVE
Brian Eno
Todd Rundgren
T. Rex
Mott the Hoople
The Stooges/Iggy Pop
Big Star
The Cure
Gram Parsons
The Faces
Husker Du
Little Feat
The Minutemen
The Replacements
New York Dolls
Sonic Youth
Television
Thin Lizzy
Tom Waits
X
The Zombies
Captain Beefheart
Joy Division
Wire
Violent Femmes
Meat Puppets
Minor Threat
New Order
Lou Reed (solo)
Lee Scratch Perry (and many other reggae artists)
Gang of Four
Pere Ubu
The Fall
The Mekons
The Buzzcocks
The Jam
Peter Gabriel
The Modern Lovers/Jonathan Richman
Richard Thompson
Roxy Music
And still no Black Sabbath....
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No Black Sabbath? They were inducted in 2006.
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acts that were newly eligible this year:
10,000 Maniacs
Asia
Bad Brains
Bobby McFerrin
Cocteau Twins
Culture Club
Dokken
Don Henley
The Dream Syndicate
Everything But the Girl
Ice-T
Janet Jackson
Kenny G
Metallica
Sonic Youth
Steve Earle
Sting
Violent Femmes
Wham!
methinks that metallica should be on the list.