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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Sage 703 on September 28, 2007, 01:04:00 pm
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okay, about that time of year.
How about that Mets meltdown? Think the Rockies are going to make it? Can the Cubs cut it?
Predictions for the playoffs?
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If the season ended today, you've got:
Angels v Boston
New York Yankees v Cleveland
Chicago Cubs v Arizona
San Diego v New York Mets
My picks for that scenario:
Boston over Angels
New York over Cleveland
Cubs over Arizona
Mets over San Diego
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Boston over New York
Cubs over Mets
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Boston over Cubs
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I really want to see the Cubbies win this year. At least my favorite National League team has a chance! (Wrigley Field is my second favorite ballpark to Camden Yards).
Aside from that, I am an ABBY fan for the 11th year in a row.
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2007 is the year of Anaheim. First the triumphant end of The OC, then the Ducks, now the Angels.
Revel in all its splendor and glory!
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Originally posted by callat703:
Boston over Cubs
AKA "best world series ever"
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Alright, now that the AL is set, I'm going to break down the AL.
ANAHEIM vs BOSTON
As someone who's watched somewhere between 150-155 Anaheim games this season, this is going to be way too in depth, but I guarantee you it will be spot on. I am shocked that the Angels didn't play harder for home field advantage, because historically they have struggled in Boston. They don't have any traditional ground ball pitchers, and thus struggle in Fenway.
So Lackey, after a Cy Young season, must start at least one in Fenway. The last game he threw in Fenway, after giving up a big Papi 310 foot HR to right field, and two deep flies off the green monster, you could read his lips "Fuck this fucking place" - all three hits would have been outs in every other park in America. And that describes this matchup to a T - Is Fenway enough of an advangtage to make up for Boston's shortcomings vs Anaheim? I don't think so, but it will all come down to one thing - Boston's bullpen.
STARTERS
Lackey (19-9, 3.01 ERA) and Beckett (20-7, 3.27 ERA) are Cy Young candidate washes, but advantage to Beckett in Fenway. Both will keep their team close, Beckett will likely have a lead into the 6th or 7th.
Escobar (17-7, 3.46 ERA) and Wakefield (16-12, 4.80 ERA) couldn't be two different pitchers. Escobar, another Cy Young candidate relies on power and finishing strong, Wake the knuckler struggled the last month. Anaheim traditionally hits Wake well, and Escobar has a solid record in Fenway. Advantage Anaheim.
The third starter is make or break for the Sox, and it will depend on how the Sox do in game 1 and 2. Anaheim will start Little Weaver (13-7, 4.01 ERA). Boston has a choice to make here, and I'm pretty sure most Sox fans are uncomfortable with either choice - Dice K (15-12, 4.40 ERA) or the banged up Schilling (9-8, 3.87 ERA). Schilling pitched well at home vs. Anaheim, but struggled at the Big A. Dice-K has yet to face Anaheim. Boston roughed up Weaver in his only start vs Boston at Fenway. Boston fans can't feel comfortable with this, especially if they split at Fenway.
BULLPEN
Speier (2.92 ERA, 36 hits in 49 innings, 36 holds in 50 appearances), Shields (3.79 ERA, 60 hits in 76 innings, 32 runs in 70 appearances) and K-Rod (39 saves, despite throwing a high number of breaking balls this year for some reason). Shields has struggled late, so it's nice to have Speier. Little else needs to be said about the best bullpen in baseball.
How are you Sox fans feeling about your backend? Papelboner is solid, but he can only be effective if they have the lead when he comes in. Do you even want to see Gagne touch a baseball? Oakjima's touched the ball 6 times this month. Donnelly and Buchholz are out - do you like Tavarez? I know you like Delcarmen, but have you seen him against Anaheim? You don't want to. And this is tipping point of the series - Anaheim has the most comeback wins in baseball and the Sox have a shakey pen. If Anaheim can come back in game one or two agaisnt Boston's shakey bullpen, this will be a painful series for Boston. Advantage Anaheim, in a scary way.
OFFENSE
A lot is made about Anaheim's lack of power, but Boston is 3rd in runs in the AL, Anaheim is 4th (albeit 43 runs behind). Anaheim, not surprisingly hits for a higher average. Anaheim needs to keep the Sox in the park and to force Boston's defense into mistakes when they go for the extra base. Boston needs to flex it's muscle and keep the pesky Angels off the bases. This likely comes down to the two guys having strong second halves - Big Papi making a comeback and Garrett Anderson remaining resurgent. Whichever one does a better job of picking up the guy they protect will predict the outcome of their team. Advantage Boston.
COACHING
Scioscia is the best manager in baseball, Francona has circulation issues and can't wear the proper uniform. HUGE Advantage for Anaheim.
I predict Anaheim comes from behind in game 1 or 2 and wins the series in Anaheim in 4 games. Did I mention they are 54-27 at home, despite not having a field with a short porch, a huge short wall or any other physical advantage other than a make believe monkey? If they don't come back in 1 or 2, they lose in 4.
YANKEES vs CLEVELAND
I could care less about this series. Yankees in 4.
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ok, a Sox Fans rebuttal (though not so well thought out, hah)
1. apparently, Fox is reporting today that Philadelphia has the most comeback wins in baseball, at 48. now i am not sure what constitutes a "comeback win" exactly (can you be losing 1-0 in the first) nor do i believe everything i hear on TV, but I dont believe everything i hear from Smackie either! :)
2. Delcarmen has pitched 2 innings against Anaheim this year. he has 2 ER in 2 innings, both came in the same game.
3. Boston's pen was ANYTHING but shakey for most of the season and between Tavarez, Timlin, Papelbon, Gagne, Lester, Delcarmen and Okajima, you could only call them shakey to make yourself feel better.
4. Papelbon, Okajima and Timlin have a comnbined 0.00 ERA against LA this season.
4. Boston is hardly the homerun hitting team from yesteryear. in fact, i think they are like 8th in the AL. Boston gets on base, and with Ellsbury, Crisp and Lugo, can run the bases too.
5. Wakefield has pitched against LA twice this year, first game 7 IP, 1 ER. second game 7 IP, 6 ER. and that loss, in LA, so it sounds like more 50/50 than "the angels hit him well"
6. what happened to Escobar last time he pitched in the playoffs at Fenway?
7. Schilling gets the start over Daisuke (i am not sure where you heard Wakefield was starting game 2). and I'll take Schilling any day in October.
8. I realize the Angels have a good record at home, but are they even .500 on the road? and didnt the Red Sox score about 50 runs in the 6 games between them at Fenway this year?
9. JD Drew is batting .320 in September and has 5 multiple hit games against LA.
10. LA is hitting .228 in Fenway this year, do they move the wall out when the visiting team bats?
I'll stop here
My Prediction is that the Sox are too much in Fenway for a shaky road team and once the Angels are down 2-0, the Sox bats smell blood and win it in 3, just like in 2004.
I probably shouldnt say this cause i believe i called a Sox sweep against Chicago in 2005 but its how i really feel.
In fact, i think its a Sox and Yankees mauling and the inevitable rematch in the ALCS.....
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I really don't want Boston to win again. I am so tired of Boston. Or maybe it's just because I'm a bitter O's fan. The world may never know.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
1. apparently, Fox is reporting today that Philadelphia has the most comeback wins in baseball, at 48. now i am not sure what constitutes a "comeback win" exactly
Trailing going into the 7th inning (usually) is the measure. And you are correct, after Anaheim clinched, the Phils passed them. So Anaheim leads the AL, but no longer leads MLB.
Originally posted by le sonick:
3. Boston's pen was ANYTHING but shakey for most of the season and between Tavarez, Timlin, Papelbon, Gagne, Lester, Delcarmen and Okajima, you could only call them shakey to make yourself feel better.
4. Papelbon, Okajima and Timlin have comnbined 0.00 ERA against LA this season.
Good, I'm glad Sox fans aren't recognizing a problem. It's not April-July any more - and it's Sox fans that are making themselves feel better.
Originally posted by le sonick:
5. Wakefield has pitched against LA twice this year, first game 7 IP, 1 ER. second game 7 IP, 6 ER. and that loss, in LA, so it sounds like more 50/50 than "the angels hit him well"
7. Schilling gets the start over Daisuke (i am not sure where you heard Wakefield was starting game 2). and I'll take Schilling any day in October.
You're correct. Shockingly, a maybe healthy Schilling and the erratic Dice-k are going to start (it appears). This is great for Anaheim. It's probably because Wake is a career 9-11 with an ERA of nearly 5.00 career against Anaheim.
Originally posted by le sonick:
9. JD Drew is batting .320 in September and has 5 multiple hit games against LA.
So that was "Drewwww" the Fenway faithful were cheering, not "booooooo"? I love this type of denial. He's a career .233 playoff hitter. Just thought I'd let you know. Pollard can tell the rest of the story.
Originally posted by le sonick:
My Prediction is that the Sox are too much in Fenway for a shaky road team and once the Angels are down 2-0, the Sox bats smell blood and win it in 3, just like in 2004.
So we agree. If Anaheim doesn't win one of the first two, they won't win the series. Where we disagree is the bullpen - and I guess we'll see on Wednesday who's right.
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Ironically, TBS has the games for first round of playoff games, but apparently they haven't rolled out TBS-HD in many markets and people are pissed.
It made it on to DirecTV last month, and I heard Comcast in certain markets. Comcast in Boston was putting up a fight for sometime, but relented and it will start tomorrow to avert the feared riot.
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I am off to the Rockies v. Pads. Go Rox! And with a win I believe Matt Holliday locks up the MVP.
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Originally posted by Lazer Guided Melodies:
I am off to the Rockies v. Pads. Go Rox! And with a win I believe Matt Holliday locks up the MVP.
well. . . i don't know. i think jimmy rollins could wind up with it.
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ANAHEIM V BOSTON
Gm 1 LAA @ BOS Wed Oct. 3 6:30 pm TBS
Gm 2 LAA @ BOS Fri Oct. 5 8:30 pm TBS
Gm 3 BOS @ LAA Sun Oct. 7 3 pm TBS
Gm 4* BOS @ LAA Mon Oct. 8 9:30 pm TBS
Gm 5* LAA @ BOS Wed Oct. 10 8:30 pm TBS
NEW YORK V CLEVELAND
Gm 1 NYY @ CLE Thu Oct. 4 6:30 pm TBS
Gm 2 NYY @ CLE Fri Oct. 5 5 pm TBS
Gm 3 CLE @ NYY Sun Oct. 7 6:30 pm TBS
Gm 4* CLE @ NYY Mon Oct. 8 6 pm TBS
Gm 5* NYY @ CLE Wed Oct. 10 5 pm TBS
CHICAGO V ARIZONA
Gm 1 CHC @ ARI Wed Oct. 3 10 pm TBS
Gm 2 CHC @ ARI Thu Oct. 4 10 pm TBS
Gm 3 ARI @ CHC Sat Oct. 6 6 pm TBS
Gm 4* ARI @ CHC Sun Oct. 7 1 pm TNT
Gm 5* CHC @ ARI Tue Oct. 9 10 pm TBS
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Ironically, TBS has the games for first round of playoff games, but apparently they haven't rolled out TBS-HD in many markets and people are pissed.
It made it on to DirecTV last month, and I heard Comcast in certain markets. Comcast in Boston was putting up a fight for sometime, but relented and it will start tomorrow to avert the feared riot.
my Dish doesnt have it yet, but i can wait to watch the Red Sox in HD during the ALCS :cool:
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Originally posted by Lazer Guided Melodies:
I am off to the Rockies v. Pads. Go Rox! And with a win I believe Matt Holliday locks up the MVP.
After that triple I think you may be right..
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they just added tbs hd in howard county :)
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What a game last night. Couldn't turn it off though almost nothing happened from the 9th-12th innings. I do agree that Rollins has to be MVP though.
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The Nats will rue the day they traded Jamey Caroll for a bag of balls.
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man, i tell you. these phillie fans i work with surea have gotten UBER-annoying in the last couple weeks. man, give em one damn division titla and they are king shit of the world!
its not even like they went 25-5 in september. basically, the benficiares of someone else's collapse.
be gracious people,jeez
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le sonnick- we take what we can get
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Originally posted by le sonick:
man, i tell you. these phillie fans i work with surea have gotten UBER-annoying in the last couple weeks. man, give em one damn division titla and they are king shit of the world!
be gracious people,jeez
Man you really ARE thinking like a canadian if you think ANYTHING associated with the city of Philadelphia can/would ever be gracious, hands down worst sports town/fans in the country with only Boston fans breathing down their necks at a semi-close second, the difference being in Philly they never* win shit...
*83 Sixers I think being the exception
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Yeah, like Yankee fans are the model of politeness.
What cities actually have well behaved sports fans?
Originally posted by bnyced0:
Originally posted by le sonick:
man, i tell you. these phillie fans i work with surea have gotten UBER-annoying in the last couple weeks. man, give em one damn division titla and they are king shit of the world!
be gracious people,jeez
Man you really ARE thinking like a canadian if you think ANYTHING associated with the city of Philadelphia can/would ever be gracious, hands down worst sports town/fans in the country with only Boston fans breathing down their necks at a semi-close second, the difference being in Philly they never* win shit...
*83 Sixers I think being the exception [/b]
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hands down worst sports town/fans in the country
Um, having seen many Mets/phillies games at the vet growing up, i will have to politely disagree and point you toward that fan set.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
be gracious people,jeez
The most tortured fans in sports. They must live is up as it doesn't happen often.
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Originally posted by tigers scare me:
hands down worst sports town/fans in the country
Um, having seen many Mets/phillies games at the vet growing up, i will have to politely disagree and point you toward that fan set. [/b]
see, i've been to numerous phillie games, and the fans are terrible. if we exclude rivalry games (cubs/cardinals, giants/dodgers, mets/phillies, etc), most fans' vitirol dies down a bit. not phillie fans. i cannot tell you how many beers i had dumped on me because i was wearing a padres hat. . .beer got dumped on my wife because she had a cubs hat on. remember, these are the same fans that threw batteries at j.d. drew, cheered when michael irvin got hurt and booed santa claus. . .
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Well I don't think you get the total dickheadness that is Philly and Boston, in say Arizona or Seattle amongst cities that have at least three of the the major sports.
I think because these are "major" markets, and large fan bases, they feel entitled to winning teams, actually the psychology of why they're so pissy is far too complicated for this short missive. Y
Granted Yankee fans are douches as well, but I'm talking more about across the board fans for cities that have most major sports teams.
My problem with the Yankee fans is mostly jealousy, I wish the A's were as "successful" and not the major choke artists they've become, but really the rest of the NY teams blow, and the Yanks haven't won lately so I can take solice in that.
And even though it was at the A's expense, to see the Sox comeback and beat the Yankees, or the Diamondbacks win in 7 a couple of years earlier was fantastic as a fan of the sport.
Philly fans at the games (football, basketball, hockey, and baseball) I've seen in person are rude to their fellow fans, their team, and their facility almost as much as they are to opposing fans and teams, so I think they are just generally assholes and it's way beyond what the average fan in most cities act like (granted I haven't seen games in every city, but I have in every AL & AFC city so it's based on more than just a handful of impressions). Boston isn't as bad, but I think I'm also just bitter about losses to those cheatin ass sox and pats.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Yeah, like Yankee fans are the model of politeness.
What cities actually have well behaved sports fans?
Originally posted by bnyced0:
Originally posted by le sonick:
man, i tell you. these phillie fans i work with surea have gotten UBER-annoying in the last couple weeks. man, give em one damn division titla and they are king shit of the world!
be gracious people,jeez
Man you really ARE thinking like a canadian if you think ANYTHING associated with the city of Philadelphia can/would ever be gracious, hands down worst sports town/fans in the country with only Boston fans breathing down their necks at a semi-close second, the difference being in Philly they never* win shit...
*83 Sixers I think being the exception [/b]
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
hands down worst sports town/fans in the country
Agreed.
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Originally posted by tigers scare me:
hands down worst sports town/fans in the country
Um, having seen many Mets/phillies games at the vet growing up, i will have to politely disagree and point you toward that fan set. [/b]
Wasn't exactly expecting a local to agree, I mean during P.E. in elementary when everyone else in the country was playing dodge ball you guys were probably practicing throwing lethal shit (batteries, spears, ginsu knives, etc) at anything that wasn't local.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
my Dish doesnt have it yet, but i can wait to watch the Red Sox in HD during the ALCS :cool:
Really? Even if that means it comes with Tim McCarver?
I enjoyed last nights announcers. Don Orsillo is much better when he's not being a homer for the Sox.
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if it makes you feel better, i wrote to tug mcgraw when i was in 3rd grade to invite him to dinner.
he didn't even have the decency to write back. to a fellow left-hander even.
jerk wad.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
my Dish doesnt have it yet, but i can wait to watch the Red Sox in HD during the ALCS :cool:
Really? Even if that means it comes with Tim McCarver?
I enjoyed last nights announcers. Don Orsillo is much better when he's not being a homer for the Sox. [/b]
let's see. . .tbs' announcers are:
chip caray and tony gwynn
dick stockton and bob brenly
ted robinson and steve stone
don orsillo and joe simpson
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
Well I don't think you get the total dickheadness that is Philly and Boston, in say Arizona or Seattle amongst cities that have at least three of the the major sports.
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first off, man....Boston fans are nowhere like Phillies fans.
Red Sox fans are only bad when playing the Yankees. otherwise, we're too busy watching the out-of-town scoreboard to pay much attention to who else we're playing.
Bruins and C-Note fans.....if there are any left, cant be said as that bad.
Pats fans, while they are the only New England sports team i dont pull for, well....they're the best team in pro-sports history...i guess they earned the right to be jerk-offs.
(plus, most Pats fans are from New Hampshire)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
let's see. . .tbs' announcers are:
The ALCS is on Fox, not TBS.
The NLCS will remain on TBS.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
my Dish doesnt have it yet, but i can wait to watch the Red Sox in HD during the ALCS :cool:
Really? Even if that means it comes with Tim McCarver?
I enjoyed last nights announcers. Don Orsillo is much better when he's not being a homer for the Sox. [/b]
yeah, i L-O-A-T-H-E Tim McCarver.
i was suprised to see Don O. on the game last night. you think they'll let him do the Sox/Halos games? suppose not.
i'll have to dip in and out of the Kings of Leon show tomorrow night to catch the game.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
i'll have to dip in and out of the Kings of Leon show tomorrow night to catch the game.
Or you can do what I did - just dip out, and there wasn't even a baseball game on...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
let's see. . .tbs' announcers are:
The ALCS is on Fox, not TBS.
The NLCS will remain on TBS. [/b]
actually, tbs changed their set-up
cubs-d'backs get dick stockton and ron darling
yankees-indians get chip caray, tony gwynn and bob brenly (this will also be the nlcs set-up)
angels-red sox get ted robinson and steve stone
rockies-phillies get don orsillo and joe simpson
fox gets world series and ALCS
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Bruins and C-Note fans.....if there are any left, cant be said as that bad.
indeed. . .went to a pens/bruins game a few years ago in a pens jersey. . .not a foul word thrown in my direction. course, it was probably more because bruin fans were more disgusted with their team and couldn't be bothered with opposing team's fans. plus, it was one of the last games the pens played before they blew the team up- and everyone knew it was coming.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
actually, tbs changed their set-up
I don't think Don Orsillo was ever going to get the Sox series, but I was just saying that I thought he was good last night (I normally find him a bit of a homer). Nonetheless, it doesn't matter who gets the Sox/Angels series, ANYBODY is better than McCarver. I guess that's the price you pay for your team winning the ALDS.
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Wakefield left off the Sox roster. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3046494)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
it was probably more because bruin fans were more disgusted with their team and couldn't be bothered with opposing team's fans.
exactly, nail on the head.
bruins and celtics fans can't talk trash cause, um, they suck.
and probably the annoying Red sox fans...are the new ones that have sprouted up lately...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Wakefield left off the Sox roster. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3046494)
ugh, thats blows. but only if we win the ALDS and he's still not healthy.
wake's never been all that out of the pen. and with the 7 day series, we wouldnt need a 4th starter anyway. i wasnt expecting to see him really anyway save maybe an inning or two if we were getting pummeled.
hope he's better if we should advance.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Pats fans, while they are the only New England sports team i dont pull for, well....they're the best team in pro-sports history...i guess they earned the right to be jerk-offs.
Just to be clear, this was tongue in cheek, right? They're not even the best team in their own sport, but you're right, if you listen to their fans this year, they're the greatest football team of all time, despite playing teams with a combined record of 4-12.
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Venerable ruined my night by sending me this link....
Matthews left off Angels Playoff Roster (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-angels3oct03,1,6559338.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)
And Colon is off to, but you'd have to get to paragraph 7 to see that.
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Perfect World Series for me would be Yankees v. Rockies. Matt Holliday for MVP!!!!!!!!! I know Rollins will probably get it, but Holliday surely deserves it also, without him, there is no 14-1 ending at the end of the year to make the playoffs.
We all know A-Rod runs away with it in the AL and hopefully my boy Sabathia gets the Cy Young :D
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
hopefully my boy Sabathia gets the Cy Young :D
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My prediction for AL CY Young Voting
1. Sabathia
2. Beckett
3. Lackey
4. Haren
5. Carmona
Last: Mike Mussina
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I would switch Carmona and Haren, but I'm biased towards Carmona because he was on my Championship Fantasy Baseball Team.
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So I woke up last night with cold sweats because I was so worried about Reggie Willits in center field instead of Matthews. He has great speed, but he uses that speed to make up for his rookie read of the ball off the bat. This is good for every ball park in America except Fenway. He covers a lot of ground left or right and coming in, but he struggles going back. I am very worried about him in that corner and over-pursuing balls hit over his head that are going to take odd bounces off the monster. He might be a disaster in centerfield this week.
Thanks for listening.
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man did the Yanks just get fucking drilled or what?????
:D
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Originally posted by vansmack:
My prediction for AL CY Young Voting
1. Sabathia
2. Beckett
3. Lackey
4. Haren
5. Carmona
Last: Mike Mussina
I agree on your top 3, but I think Verlander is fourth.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
man did the Yanks just get fucking drilled or what?????
:D
GO INDIANS! CC didn't have his best stuff, but it was more than enough with the entire Indians lineup getting a hit, run, RBI, or all of the above (Cabrera, Hafner, V-Mart, Garko, and Lofton). Fausto Carmona goes up against Pettitte in Game 2 at 5pm Friday. Please, please, please, Fausto...put those pinstriped pig-effers in an 0-2 hole :D
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I'm a temporary Indians fan. Basically, if the Tigers aren't in it, I like whoever the Yankees are up against. I love that their chances to advance rest on the shoulders of a 45 year old and Andy Pettitte.
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Lily throwing his glove in disgust is by far my favorite site of this playoff season. It will be impossible to top that. You'd just have to know me to understand why...
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I'm not sure which was more painful yesterday, having all 4 wisdom teeth removed or watching Anaheim squander a golden opportunity last night. Thankfully I have healthy doses of vicodin for btoh.
Everything played out as I predicted except that Boston's bullpen was fantastic - the key to this series.
I think there's more to Vlad's injury than we're being told about - there's something else wrong with him.
9 walks? Anaheim is afraid to challenge boston's hitters, and Manny finally made them pay for it.
And kudos to that fan - well played. Now get a shirt that fits since your dad is loaded.
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More painful might have been watching the close-ups of Chamberlin's neck as it was covered with those bugs.
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Is it possible to hate the fucking yankees as much as I do, even though I don't give a toss about the sport??
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Originally posted by ChampionshipVinyl:
More painful might have been watching the close-ups of Chamberlin's neck as it was covered with those bugs.
I was already nauseous enough before that. I had to go to the bed room and watch the rest of the game in old-def with my glasses off. That was pretty gross.
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so i suppose no one else cares to talk about baseball anymore with me. :(
I will say TBS really made the Yankees losing seem like a really important time in baseball history, or at least Yankee history.
i imagine not much will change, but they were eating it up last night....i have watched Posada swing and miss 9 times since then...
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Is it possible to hate the fucking yankees as much as I do, even though I don't give a toss about the sport??
Perfectly understandable I'd say.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Is it possible to hate the fucking yankees as much as I do, even though I don't give a toss about the sport??
Easily 95% of America is the same way.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
so i suppose no one else cares to talk about baseball anymore with me. :(
I'm a sports fan first and a Halo's fan second, it just takes a little while for me to get over things. Especially the most uninspired performance from the Halo's I've ever seen...
But that's in the past. The ALCS is very exciting. I am drooling over the Beckett/Sabathia mathcup - it's rare that you get both Cy Young Candidates facing off like that and we may get it more than once.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I am drooling over the Beckett/Sabathia mathcup - it's rare that you get both Cy Young Candidates facing off like that and we may get it more than once.
I was thinking about that myself. I'll give the advantage to Beckett because a) i'm a sox fan and b) left-handers in Fenway...not as good.
the first game is uber-important because i give Carmona the edge over Daisuke and Schilling the edge over Westbrook or Byrd (whoever they go with, i'd go with Byrd).
and by the time they get to Wakefield/Lester..well who knows.
but i think whoever wins game 1, will be the easy favourite to go up 2-1 in the series.
Both teams are hitting and pitching so well, i dont know whether this is going to be 12-10 games or 2-1!!!
I'll hold on my "prediction" cause i am already thankful i didnt jinx them last round.
cant wait for Friday...and plus, its always so much more relaxing when we're NOT playing the Yankees.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
But that's in the past. The ALCS is very exciting. I am drooling over the Beckett/Sabathia mathcup - it's rare that you get both Cy Young Candidates facing off like that and we may get it more than once.
yeah. . like the ubaldo jimenez/doug davis match-up. wow!
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OY!!! HOW ABOUT THEM CAPS THEN????? :D
Longest winning streak since 03/04 isn't it?
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
OY!!! HOW ABOUT THEM CAPS THEN????? :D
Longest winning streak since 03/04 isn't it?
Gotta be the cool new uni's.
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Its easy to forget that the 1996-2000 Yankees teams were not a collection of superstars - but an intelligent mix of high character Ballplayers with bulletproof chemistry. Cashman took over in 1998 - the peak - and they've gradually lost the plot more every year. The 1996 Yankees were much more similar to the 2007 Indians than the 2007 Yankees.
The Yankees have very quietly wasted Jeter's prime and logged 7 consecutive disappointing seasons. Yes they've made the playoffs each year, but they haven't won a World Series since the start of the GWB administration - and that's sad when you throw $200 million on your roster.
They've been plugging holes with overpriced duct tape since 2000.
Indians / Red Sox should be a lot of fun. Rockies / DBacks . . . not so much.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
...they haven't won a World Series since the start of the GWB administration - and that's sad when you throw $200 million on your roster.
If Bushie can claim that on his resume, that pretty much IS his legacy.
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
OY!!! HOW ABOUT THEM CAPS THEN????? :D
Longest winning streak since 03/04 isn't it?
Gotta be the cool new uni's. [/b]
Retro....but not quite!
"New Vintage"
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It's 1:09am, and I'm still watching Game 2 of Cleveland/Boston. I'm happy I had Coke instead of beer with dinner, or else I definitely wouldn't be awake right now.
Who here woulda thunk that Carmona and Schilling would struggle as much as they did? Also, how bad is Gagne? He has single-handedly given the Indians hope in the top of the 11th. As much as he struggled in mop-up work in Game 1, why put him out there when it matters?
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Hahahaha. It's 1:29am, and I've seen the Indians score more runs in the last 20 minutes than they managed to score in the previous 5 hours. Tums and bedtime for me. GO TRIBE!
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Originally posted by dhinojwala:
Also, how bad is Gagne? He has single-handedly given the Indians hope in the top of the 11th. As much as he struggled in mop-up work in Game 1, why put him out there when it matters?
Congrats to your Tribe for doing exactly what I had hoped the Angels would do in the first series (I believe I even laid the scenario out on page 1 of this thread): lose to Becket, hang in game two until Gagne comes in, and then win and give yourself home field advantage. I watch way too much baseball.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by dhinojwala:
Also, how bad is Gagne? He has single-handedly given the Indians hope in the top of the 11th. As much as he struggled in mop-up work in Game 1, why put him out there when it matters?
Congrats to your Tribe for doing exactly what I had hoped the Angels would do in the first series (I believe I even laid the scenario out on page 1 of this thread): lose to Becket, hang in game two until Gagne comes in, and then win and give yourself home field advantage. I watch way too much baseball. [/b]
well, to be truthful, you didnt really cite Gagne as the sole loser in the Sox bullpen.
you cited, Gagne, Oki and then called the bullpen generally "shakey"
also, i dont know if they really "came back" on Saturday night. they had the biggest lead of the night and were winning when both starters had gone. so dont buy "comeback win" as really a good way to describe it.
It's unforunate they lost but i believe 2 things
1.) we still have a good chance at taking games 3 & 5 for a 3-2 lead back to Fenway
2.) Gagne probably wont be pitching anymore this series and i doubt Lopez gives up all those hits on his own.
on a side note: not really sure why Sox Julian Tavarez is hanging in the dugout all game long and why it seems he's unavailable in the series.
i'll do some digging, but i want him out there before Jon Lester and preferrrably out there in the 5th and 6th innings. This wouldve moved all pitchers back and inning or two and perhaps Gagne wouldnt have come in til the 12th or 13th, when perhaps we could've won it by then.
we'll see what Daisuke is made of tonight. He likes to strike guys out, and Cleveland likes to strike out.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
also, i dont know if they really "came back" on Saturday night.
I don't know that Dhino or I used those words in any of our posts on game 2.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
also, i dont know if they really "came back" on Saturday night.
I don't know that Dhino or I used those words in any of our posts on game 2. [/b]
i was reading back from your Angels posts.
one other thing....totally different feeling losing to the Indians than the Yankees. i am SO glad we're not playing them...every loss is like twice as bad.
though, i do want to be the team to shut this Rockies hullabaloo up.
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Aw, but the Rockies have never won the World Series! I think it's kinda cool. But, I'm also not a Boston fan (unless they're playing the Yankees)
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You're on the Red Sox? What position do you play, pitcher or catcher?
Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
also, i dont know if they really "came back" on Saturday night.
I don't know that Dhino or I used those words in any of our posts on game 2. [/b]
i was reading back from your Angels posts.
one other thing....totally different feeling losing to the Indians than the Yankees. i am SO glad we're not playing them...every loss is like twice as bad.
though, i do want to be the team to shut this Rockies hullabaloo up. [/b]
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I'm a little disappointed that I didn't get an interview....
Angels GM resigns, replaced by Reagins (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3066198)
And if you think I'm joking about sending in my resume, you don't know me very well.
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Last time the Rockies lost a game, I went and saw The Aliens and they put a smile back on my face. In fact, since I saw them play the song Rox, the Rox have not lost. Hence, I have been blasting the Aliens before every game including while making my way to game 4 last night. After the one game playoff, and the game 3 sweep of the Phils, I did not think I could ever experience a better baseball game. Last night topped them both as it was truly magical. After the trophy presentation, Fuentes and Francis came up our aisle and we followed them to behind the left field seats where they raised the National League Champions flag. I then gave Francis a high five. How is this for my October 27th and 28th, game 3 of the series with a nightcap of Kinski and The Warlocks, game 4 of the series with the possibility of catching half of JAMC. There is only one Rocktober. Bring on the AL!
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Its easy to forget that the 1996-2000 Yankees teams were not a collection of superstars - but an intelligent mix of high character Ballplayers with bulletproof chemistry.
while i appreciate the sentiment you're trying to get across, that writing is worthy of danielle steele. barf.
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Racist much?
<img src="http://www.dtownbaseball.com/wp-content/tigerpics/indians.gif" alt=" - " />
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Sorry about that - go Tribe!
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Oh, and from Boz:
'But, except for the $143 million, buy-a-title Red Sox -- who now look so much like the Empire they claim to hate that they should consider switching to pinstripes -- this October is going to be a tale about how less can be more. '
Amen, brother.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Wake the knuckler struggled the last month.
Originally posted by vansmack:
I'm pretty sure most Sox fans are uncomfortable with either choice - Dice K (15-12, 4.40 ERA) or the banged up Schilling (9-8, 3.87 ERA). Boston fans can't feel comfortable with this, especially if they split at Fenway.
Originally posted by vansmack:
How are you Sox fans feeling about your backend? Do you even want to see Gagne touch a baseball?
Damn. I just wrote about the wrong series. This Tribe team is doing everything I hoped the Angels would do - Boston has been on it's heels since Gagne came in late in game 2.
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no yankees. if no boston, fox will be upset. no one will watch.
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Oh, and from Boz:
'But, except for the $143 million, buy-a-title Red Sox -- who now look so much like the Empire they claim to hate that they should consider switching to pinstripes -- this October is going to be a tale about how less can be more. '
Amen, brother.
i was just thinking about how this feels like a yankees/sox series with the sox in the yankees' role
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Originally posted by anarchist:
no one will watch.
I will.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Wake the knuckler struggled the last month.
Originally posted by vansmack:
I'm pretty sure most Sox fans are uncomfortable with either choice - Dice K (15-12, 4.40 ERA) or the banged up Schilling (9-8, 3.87 ERA). Boston fans can't feel comfortable with this, especially if they split at Fenway.
Originally posted by vansmack:
How are you Sox fans feeling about your backend? Do you even want to see Gagne touch a baseball?
Damn. I just wrote about the wrong series. This Tribe team is doing everything I hoped the Angels would do - Boston has been on it's heels since Gagne came in late in game 2. [/b]
I beg to differ. i know you pride yourself on your sports knowledge, but its really been the lack of hitting on Bostons sides, or the backend of Clevelands rotation that did them in.
losing 4-2 is not "really" Dice-K's fault, no one expected him to hold Cleveland scoreless! and our bullpen held very steady last night.
i think you're only seeing whats right about your original posts. Wake's our 4th starter, it doesnt take a genius to figure out we dont want him picthing a crucial game! (tell Francona that though)
duh!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by anarchist:
no one will watch.
I will. [/b]
not it!
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Originally posted by le sonick:
I beg to differ...but its really been the lack of hitting on Bostons sides
Besides Becket, no starter has made it through the 5th.
Schilling 4.2 Innings, 9 hits, 5 ER
Dice-K 4.2 Innings, 4 ER on 6 hits and 2 walks
Wake 4.2 Innings, 5 ER on 5 hits and 2 walks
Sorry man, but that's bad starting pitching with an ERA of well over 7 no matter how you look at it. It would take a ridiculous amount of offense to overcome that. That's why, in the playoffs, it's all about pitching.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
I beg to differ...but its really been the lack of hitting on Bostons sides
Besides Becket, no starter has made it through the 5th.
Schilling 4.2 Innings, 9 hits, 5 ER
Dice-K 4.2 Innings, 4 ER on 6 hits and 2 walks
Wake 4.2 Innings, 5 ER on 5 hits and 2 walks
Sorry man, but that's bad starting pitching with an ERA of well over 7 no matter how you look at it. It would take a ridiculous amount of offense to overcome that. [/b]
first
we DID overcome it in Game 2
game 3 we scored 2 runs, I know you dont follow the Sox every day, but we arent built to win that many 2-1 ballgames.
and tonight was starter number 4.
i still think 3 starters deep we win series if we can hit decently.
Sabathia and Carmona both looked like Poo as well. hence my "backend of Cleveland's rotation" bit.
Westbrook and Byrd combined for what, 13 innings and 4 runs (2 of which came with a 4-0 lead and 2 others with a 7-0 lead)? it'd take some damn good pitching to overcome that too..
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Originally posted by le sonick:
i still think 3 starters deep we win series if we can hit decently.
If the Sox can get this to go 7, you'll get your chance to prove this theory. But I bet you won't - not with Schilling and Dice K going again. And they're already saying Becket's back is bad - sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. That's the sign of beaten team.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
game 3 we scored 2 runs, I know you dont follow the Sox every day, but we arent built to win that many 2-1 ballgames.
I follow a lot of baseball, but I don't see your point here. The Tribe isn't winning 2-1 games against the Sox - they've scored 13,4 and 7 in their 3 wins, and the Sox have lost all three. Shocker.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
game 3 we scored 2 runs, I know you dont follow the Sox every day, but we arent built to win that many 2-1 ballgames.
I follow a lot of baseball, but I don't see your point here. The Tribe isn't winning 2-1 games against the Sox - they've scored 13,4 and 7 in their 3 wins, and the Sox have lost all three. Shocker. [/b]
i suppose you'll argue your point longer than mine, but here it is.
the red sox scored 2 runs in Game 3. for them to win, they would need to hold the Indians to only 1, or even none. check the stats and see how many of 96 games , the sox won scoring 1 or 2 runs. my point being the Sox team was built to score, and they arent, therefore losing games. sure, i would have like schilling to have pitched better, but really, the sox bats have been the disappointment, and Gagne of course, but we all knew that..
now if you dont mind, i have to ride my bike home...a wee bit drunk...for 3 miles...
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But aren't the sox not scoring due to cleveland's pitching...thus it coming back to pitching in the post-season?
Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
game 3 we scored 2 runs, I know you dont follow the Sox every day, but we arent built to win that many 2-1 ballgames.
I follow a lot of baseball, but I don't see your point here. The Tribe isn't winning 2-1 games against the Sox - they've scored 13,4 and 7 in their 3 wins, and the Sox have lost all three. Shocker. [/b]
i suppose you'll argue your point longer than mine, but here it is.
the red sox scored 2 runs in Game 3. for them to win, they would need to hold the Indians to only 1, or even none. check the stats and see how many of 96 games , the sox won scoring 1 or 2 runs. my point being the Sox team was built to score, and they arent, therefore losing games. sure, i would have like schilling to have pitched better, but really, the sox bats have been the disappointment, and Gagne of course, but we all knew that..
now if you dont mind, i have to ride my bike home...a wee bit drunk...for 3 miles... [/b]
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Oh, and from Boz:
'But, except for the $143 million, buy-a-title Red Sox -- who now look so much like the Empire they claim to hate that they should consider switching to pinstripes
only thing worse than putting up big bucks to buy a title (hello, 2004), is putting up big bucks and not winning a title... for seven years straight. top it all off with the mets being the only other local alternative, and we know why NYC baseball fans are so annoyed/annoying.
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Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
But aren't the sox not scoring due to cleveland's pitching...
thank you , thats my point.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Oh, and from Boz:
'But, except for the $143 million, buy-a-title Red Sox -- who now look so much like the Empire they claim to hate that they should consider switching to pinstripes
only thing worse than putting up big bucks to buy a title (hello, 2004), is putting up big bucks and not winning a title... for seven years straight. top it all off with the mets being the only other local alternative, and we know why NYC baseball fans are so annoyed/annoying. [/b]
you're all so bitter. with the Yankees spending so much, any team in their division with a BRAIN has to spend spend spend to compete with them.
or is Boston supposed to roll over and die like the other 3 teams in that division each year? what would YOU do if you were in the Yankees division.
and also, what huge name free agents have the Sox "bought" their great team with.
Ramirez, Daisuke and Schilling? Varitek came eons ago, Youk, Pedroia and Papelbon are homeboys. Lowell and Beckett came via trade. Ortiz and Wakefiend were signed as minor leaguers. Crisp, also via trade. and Drew and Lugo were signed as free agents, but we can hardly say they were bought for a championship!!!!
and in 04 are you saying we bought Trot Nixon, Kevin Millar and Bill Mueller to win a title??
you have to be either joking or bitter to say that crap, seriously.
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If you're team is built to score in the postseason and Crisp, Lugo, JD Drew and Varitek are involved, you can't be surprised when you have problems.
Cleveland (and Colorado) right now has the combination of talent, chemistry, and guys playing out of their minds (like Byrd who is completely locked in) that wins championships. That's what the 04 Sox had. That was not a bought championship. In fact, I can't think of any bought championship ever in baseball. The closest was maybe DBacks 01 . . . but they won b/c the team had chemistry and guys were playing out of their minds.
When JD Drew is involved, you just feel like he's going to lose. Like being at a cold Blackjack table. Or having ARod in your lineup in the playoffs. He's a human cooler. Beckett should be strong, but the Boston line-up just doesn't look like they have what it takes.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
If you're team is built to score in the postseason and Crisp, Lugo, JD Drew and Varitek are involved, you can't be surprised when you have problems.
Cleveland (and Colorado) right now has the combination of talent, chemistry, and guys playing out of their minds (like Byrd who is completely locked in) that wins championships. That's what the 04 Sox had. That was not a bought championship. In fact, I can't think of any bought championship ever in baseball. The closest was maybe DBacks 01 . . . but they won b/c the team had chemistry and guys were playing out of their minds.
When JD Drew is involved, you just feel like he's going to lose. Like being at a cold Blackjack table. Or having ARod in your lineup in the playoffs. He's a human cooler. Beckett should be strong, but the Boston line-up just doesn't look like they have what it takes.
precisely.
with what really boils down to a short postseason as far as sports go. some good teams just get hot and win it.
here's what i thought last night. If everything were reversed between the Sox and Indians (we won in the 11th and won game 3 and 4, etc etc) i would say we were beating the Indians senseless. so though its a slim possibility we win tomorrow. i cant believe momentum is gonna change THAT much that winning 3 in a row is an option.
but if Game 7 does happen. I want Jon Lester to start!
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Ortiz was signed as a minor leaguer? I'm not sure about that, I'm pretty sure one or two years before he became a Red Sock, I told a guy in our fantasy baseball league to draft him with like his 23rd pick because he was the Twins first baseman. Maybe he wasn't an every day player, I think he sat against lefties, but I'm pretty sure he was in the majors.
I really haven't hated the Red Sox since Pedro left, but am I the only person that thought Manny should have been hit with a pitch during his next at bat for that idiot display after he hit his meaningless home run?
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Ortiz was signed as a minor leaguer? I'm not sure about that, I'm pretty sure one or two years before he became a Red Sock, I told a guy in our fantasy baseball league to draft him with like his 23rd pick because he was the Twins first baseman. Maybe he wasn't an every day player, I think he sat against lefties, but I'm pretty sure he was in the majors.
yes, i was tired when i typed that. Ortiz was not signed as a minor leaguer. but he WAS released by Minnesota after 2002, and picked up basically as a player without a job, for like $1.2 million a year. (we're now paying him $13.5!!) hardly a "big free agent" signing.
Originally posted by Buck Satan:
but am I the only person that thought Manny should have been hit with a pitch during his next at bat for that idiot display after he hit his meaningless home run?
its not just you, its every other Yankees fan and lots of old guys. dont football players jump around and celebrate like fools after every tackle, sack, block, hit they do, no matter how meaningless? people dont seem to mind that generally.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
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yes, i was tired when i typed that. Ortiz was not signed as a minor leaguer. but he WAS released by Minnesota after 2002, and picked up basically as a player without a job, for like $1.2 million a year. (we're now paying him $13.5!!) hardly a "big free agent" signing.
Agreed, he was definetely a steal and they saw something all other teams, including the Twins, didn't see.
its not just you, its every other Yankees fan and lots of old guys. dont football players jump around and celebrate like fools after every tackle, sack, block, hit they do, no matter how meaningless? people dont seem to mind that generally. [/QB]
I don't think its a Yankee thing because the Yankees had nothing to do with this. I had 3 Red Sox players on my team this year so Its not like I hate them anymore. What he did was not entertaining, like what football players pretty much do and now get fined for. Even the Red Sox fans that I work with said it was a bit much. I can understand if it were a walk off homer or an important hit, but common, it meant nothing at the time and nothing in the end.
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wait, so just the hands in the air thing? thats all youre talking about right?
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Precisely one of the reasons why this old guy stopped watching football when he was a young guy. Blockhead jocks acting like douchebags.
Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by Buck Satan:
but am I the only person that thought Manny should have been hit with a pitch during his next at bat for that idiot display after he hit his meaningless home run?
its not just you, its every other Yankees fan and lots of old guys. dont football players jump around and celebrate like fools after every tackle, sack, block, hit they do, no matter how meaningless? people dont seem to mind that generally. [/b]
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Originally posted by le sonick:
wait, so just the hands in the air thing? thats all youre talking about right?
The hands in the air like he just won the world series for five seconds and walking half way to first base.
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
The hands in the air like he just won the world series for five seconds and walking half way to first base.
Or at least as if they had just tied the game up - not just gotten within 4 runs.
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hold on:
<img src="http://mypickspal.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/Martinez%20vs%20Zimmer.jpg" alt=" - " />
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I'll agree with you Sonick, that they're not hitting well, but I will disagree that "not hitting well" is the sox biggest problem right now.
You cannot, under any circumstances with a 25 man roster, go to your bullpen 3 games in a row before the 5th inning. Absolutely not. I guarantee you in the regular season, Francona leaves Wake out there to pitch 2 more because during the regular season you don't have to win 4 out of 7. You have to win 90 out of 162 and the spacing is different. These are must win circumstances and your starting pitching has to go deep - and they're not. Even when the bats turned it around in the 6th, it was too late, because your starting pitching has failed you and your bullpen is exhausted.
If Beckett experiences pain or can't go deep tomorrow, you're toast.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If Beckett experiences pain or can't go deep tomorrow, you're toast.
Obviously.
Worth noting that Cleveland's starting pitching has had the exact same struggles.
Also, I didn't mind Manny's reaction. I saw it as a signal that they weren't done and they still had swagger. But the guys that follow Manny in the line-up are losers.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Worth noting that Cleveland's starting pitching has had the exact same struggles.
With the obvious excpetion of Westbrook pitching into the 7th and Byrd into the 6th, and it not being three games in a row....so I wouldn't call it exact.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If Beckett experiences pain or can't go deep tomorrow, you're toast.
We need a lot more than Beckett to avoid being "toast"
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Originally posted by le sonick:
We need a lot more than Beckett to avoid being "toast"
My gut says Beckett needs to go 7, and with Beckett, you can win a 2-1 game.
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Originally posted by le sonick:
wait, so just the hands in the air thing? thats all youre talking about right?
The hands in the air like he just won the world series for five seconds and walking half way to first base. [/b]
Yeah - dude you're still down by 4 runs....
<img src="http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/10/17/1192597361_1807.jpg" alt=" - " />
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i love Manny. :)
also, not that this may make any difference....he does that every time he hits one, all year long.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
We need a lot more than Beckett to avoid being "toast"
My gut says Beckett needs to go 7, and with Beckett, you can win a 2-1 game. [/b]
true and true.
but i'd like to get the bats going so we dont have to win 2-1 in Game 6 and 7!!!!
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I think Manny is just crazy..... (http://www.sawxblog.com/2007/07/video-of-manny-.html)
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11:18: Mark from Philly offers an inspiring defense for Manny's home run preening: "When Manny went deep, my first thought was, 'Quit posing, Manny, we're still down 7-3.' Then it dawned on me that Manny probably had no idea what the score was. In fact, he probably isn't aware that baseball games are determined by which team scores more runs. Manny's only point of differentiation comes when, after hitting a home run, he sees his teammates waiting for him at home plate -- it's at that point he knows it's time to go to the strip club."
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Originally posted by le sonick:
but if Game 7 does happen. I want Jon Lester to start!
11:25: Lester gets through the eighth without any damage. You know it's a bad sign for your playoff hopes when your second-year long reliever gets 10 outs in a blowout and you're thinking, "Hmmmmm, I wonder if we should start him in Game 7?"
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Remember who Lester beat when he pitched his first game this year? ;)
I know, because he was in my fantasy lineup that week.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
but if Game 7 does happen. I want Jon Lester to start!
11:25: Lester gets through the eighth without any damage. You know it's a bad sign for your playoff hopes when your second-year long reliever gets 10 outs in a blowout and you're thinking, "Hmmmmm, I wonder if we should start him in Game 7?" [/b]
LOL-er!!!
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Remember who Lester beat when he pitched his first game this year? ;)
I know, because he was in my fantasy lineup that week.
Jake Westbrook?????? thats just weird man.
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I don't know which pitcher he beat, I just know it was Cleveland. He struck out Sizemore with the bases loaded in the 4th I believe and cruised from there.
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sure enough, Jake Westbrook! (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20070723&content_id=2104871&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
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Manny's being Manny again tonight.
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What the hell was that display of Papelbon they just showed? That was THE ABSOLUTE MOST GHEY THING I HAVE EVER SEEN - and this was after he did the YMCA dance.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
We need a lot more than Beckett to avoid being "toast"
My gut says Beckett needs to go 7, and with Beckett, you can win a 2-1 game. [/b]
true and true. [/b]
There you have it. He went 8 and they could have won 2-1. I hope some of you are taking this advice to the bookies.
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Beckett is a total fucking monster.
how good is he? seems immeasurable.
but the real thing i take away....
Pedroia and Youkilis, in on the hitting. screw 7-8-9 hitters, if we can hit 1-5 or 1-6 we're gonna do OK.
I know Schilling was so-so in Game 2, but historically, I'd rather have Schil than Carmona on the mound for my team in Game 6.
unless we can find a way to clone Beckett sometime tomorrow evening.
just happy to still be playing (sorry, Rhett, i meant "watching")
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Originally posted by vansmack:
What the hell was that display of Papelbon they just showed? That was THE ABSOLUTE MOST GHEY THING I HAVE EVER SEEN - and this was after he did the YMCA dance.
Pappy being Pappy. i suppose!
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Manny's being Manny again tonight.
Classic from one of Simmons readers:
Mark from Philly offers an inspiring defense for Manny's home run preening: "When Manny went deep, my first thought was, 'Quit posing, Manny, we're still down 7-3.' Then it dawned on me that Manny probably had no idea what the score was. In fact, he probably isn't aware that baseball games are determined by which team scores more runs. Manny's only point of differentiation comes when, after hitting a home run, he sees his teammates waiting for him at home plate -- it's at that point he knows it's time to go to the strip club."
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Saco, you just gave me a bad case of deja vu...
Originally posted by vansmack:
11:18: Mark from Philly offers an inspiring defense for Manny's home run preening: "When Manny went deep, my first thought was, 'Quit posing, Manny, we're still down 7-3.' Then it dawned on me that Manny probably had no idea what the score was. In fact, he probably isn't aware that baseball games are determined by which team scores more runs. Manny's only point of differentiation comes when, after hitting a home run, he sees his teammates waiting for him at home plate -- it's at that point he knows it's time to go to the strip club."
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Beckett was stellar. I was surprised that Beavis Buck and Butthead McCarver were smart enough to mention in the 6th inning that, with Beckett going strong, the Indians were in trouble since they wouldn't have a chance to feast upon the weak Boston relief corps, ex Papelbon of course. Sure enough, Beckett goes 8 innings, and then directly to Papelbon. Game over. Congrats to Beckett on outdueling CC again and to Francona for (a) leaving Beckett in and (b) treating it like an actual save opportunity. No Gagne again this postseason except "getting-blown-out-in-the-5th" relief work.
Game 6 = Curt Schilling vs Fausto Carmona. I had both on my fantasy baseball team this year, so I've watched them pretty closely all season. Both are lights-out when they're on, and both can survive less-than-ideal nights. Schilling has the post-season aura, and going back to Fenway helps, but I just have a feeling that Schill's gonna struggle and Fausto's gonna be the real ace for Cleveland.
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When is the Cy Young Award voting? Does it take place before the playoffs start?
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i'm leaving this evening to go to Boston and kidnap Trot Nixon. just in case.
oh and Julio Lugo.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
When is the Cy Young Award voting? Does it take place before the playoffs start?
oui. the ballots had to be in before the playoffs, unfortunately.
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I wonder if Schilling is going to pull his fake bloody foot routine again.
I assume Dice-K would pitch Game 7? I'd like to see what happens with that.
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Originally posted by dhinojwala:
[QB] Saco, you just gave me a bad case of deja vu...
Woops...
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Originally posted by le sonick:
i'm leaving this evening to go to Boston and kidnap Trot Nixon. just in case.
oh and Julio Lugo.
Dont forget Coco too.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Pappy being Pappy. i suppose!
You Sox fans will turn a blind eye to anything...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzXICsJ6ftI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzXICsJ6ftI)
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The Red Sox had better not come back and win this series. I couldn't deal with their fans if that happened. They're obnoxious enough already.
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Right now I'm feeling a 6-2 Tribe victory with Schill not lasting 5. I'll let you know if that changes after a deeper look at the matchup.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
Pappy being Pappy. i suppose!
You Sox fans will turn a blind eye to anything...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzXICsJ6ftI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzXICsJ6ftI) [/b]
this is the funniest one though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBmyNHiMvR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBmyNHiMvR4)
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doesnt look like its Tribe Time anymore, does it!
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Originally posted by callat703:
The Red Sox had better not come back and win this series. I couldn't deal with their fans if that happened. They're obnoxious enough already.
:D
FUCK YEAH!
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Congrats Sonick.
Thankfully, I didn't make it ot the sportsbook in time on Saturday to bet on the unthinkable - JD hitting a grand slam in a tie game. What do you think that would have netted me? 1000-1?
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Red Sox MVP of the series goes to......Joel Skinner.
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Red Sox MVP of the series goes to......Joel Skinner.
That was unbelievably bad in realtime. And then when they showed the split screen replay with the ball and where Lofton was, I wrote "game over" in my notebook and switched to the Steelers game for the duration.
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I knew once he held Lofton, Boston was going to run away with the game. You just can't be that stupid and expect to win the game, Cleveland was doomed because of Skinner.
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Red Sox MVP of the series goes to......Joel Skinner.
Mr Skinner (along with the 2nd base ump who blew the call on Lofton's previous AB) will certainly be getting a lot of Christmas cards from New England this year.. Thats the kind of misfortune the Red Sox had to deal with in 1946, and 67, and 72, and 75, and 78, and 86 and 2003...
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Originally posted by saco:
Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Red Sox MVP of the series goes to......Joel Skinner.
Mr Skinner (along with the 2nd base ump who blew the call on Lofton's previous AB) will certainly be getting a lot of Christmas cards from New England this year.. Thats the kind of misfortune the Red Sox had to deal with in 1946, and 67, and 72, and 75, and 78, and 86 and 2003... [/b]
i dont entirely buy the theory that those plays make that much of a difference.
I mean, even if Lofton scores in the 5th, and scores again in the 7th...Wedge still brings in Betancourt to pitch the 7th and 8th cause he's been lights out , and the Sox still tag him all over the park.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
i dont entirely buy the theory that those plays make that much of a difference.
I don't think anybody's saying that the Indians would have won if Skinner hadn't done that. But I think we're all in agreement that it certainly was the moment when we knew the Sox would win.
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Those of us in Red Sox Nation certainly think that if Buckner doesnt make that error we win the game and series...remember the game was already tied at that point.
If we're going to be insufferable remembering the bad luck for decades, (I'm as guilty as anyone) lets remember the good luck too is all I'm saying...
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Originally posted by callat703:
The Red Sox had better not come back and win this series. I couldn't deal with their fans if that happened. They're obnoxious enough already.
it should come as no surprise to you, then, that i'm a sox fan :)
as predicted, i bailed on the pumpkins (decent show, 930 was better) and headed to a bar to catch the end of the game. go there just in time for the 7th, i.e. the bad lofton play and the sox blowing it open. way better, and much more emotion, than the pumpkins show (which, to be fair, didn't take that much... :) )
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I am not a big baseball fan, didn't go to a single game in my six years living in the US, but I don't know why I enjoy the playoffs. Yesterday I was upset, I don't like the Red Sox (I dislike the Yankees even more), but I hope Colorado can beat them in the final round. I should be watching some of the games on tv, well, not watching (it's still kind of boring, but like to follow it) but having the game on tv while working with the computer.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
i dont entirely buy the theory that those plays make that much of a difference.
I don't think anybody's saying that the Indians would have won if Skinner hadn't done that. But I think we're all in agreement that it certainly was the moment when we knew the Sox would win. [/b]
extremely true.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
I am not a big baseball fan, didn't go to a single game in my six years living in the US, but I don't know why I enjoy the playoffs. Yesterday I was upset, I don't like the Red Sox (I dislike the Yankees even more), but I hope Colorado can beat them in the final round. I should be watching some of the games on tv, well, not watching (it's still kind of boring, but like to follow it) but having the game on tv while working with the computer.
Well the Yankees and the Sox are pretty much interchangeable at this point, with the amount of money they spend to attempt to win a championship. Isn't that why Man U is hated so?
Pretty much comes down to the haves and the have-nots. And the have-nots have to be smarter and luckier to win. Sometimes the planets align. Sometimes they don't.
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
Originally posted by tigers scare me:
hands down worst sports town/fans in the country
Um, having seen many Mets/phillies games at the vet growing up, i will have to politely disagree and point you toward that fan set. [/b]
Wasn't exactly expecting a local to agree, I mean during P.E. in elementary when everyone else in the country was playing dodge ball you guys were probably practicing throwing lethal shit (batteries, spears, ginsu knives, etc) at anything that wasn't local. [/b]
Looking for attractive people? Don't go to ... (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21421723/?gt1=10450)
'City of Brotherly Love' tops survey of least stylish, active, friendly, worldly
Reuters
Updated: 1:46 p.m. ET Oct 22, 2007
PHILADELPHIA - Philadelphia is home to the least attractive people in the United States, a survey of visitors and residents showed on Friday.
The city of more than 1.5 million people was also found to be among the least stylish, least active, least friendly and least worldly, according to the "America's Favorite Cities" survey by Travel & Leisure magazine and CNN Headline News.
About 60,000 people responded to the online survey, which ranked 25 cities in categories including shopping, food, culture, and cityscape, said Amy Farley, senior editor at the magazine.
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
I am not a big baseball fan, didn't go to a single game in my six years living in the US, but I don't know why I enjoy the playoffs. Yesterday I was upset, I don't like the Red Sox (I dislike the Yankees even more), but I hope Colorado can beat them in the final round. I should be watching some of the games on tv, well, not watching (it's still kind of boring, but like to follow it) but having the game on tv while working with the computer.
Well the Yankees and the Sox are pretty much interchangeable at this point, with the amount of money they spend to attempt to win a championship. Isn't that why Man U is hated so?
Pretty much comes down to the haves and the have-nots. And the have-nots have to be smarter and luckier to win. Sometimes the planets align. Sometimes they don't. [/b]
bitter bitter
First of all, the Yankees were the first team to start spending all that cash, and did so to win 4 World Series' , Boston has won ONCE, so at least let the Sox enjoy a couple more before you whine about their salary.
Secondly, the Yankees have forced the Sox (and most every other team in baseball) to spend or be beaten every year. So dont get mad cause the Sox chose to try to compete rather than just let themselves lose every year.
The Angels know that too. they won in 2002. The White Sox are over 100 million too, they won in 2005. Tigers are at what, 90 million? world series last year.
in fact, if you look at the top 5 paid teams in the AL
Yankees, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, Tigers.
hmmm, last 5 teams in the World Series.
Red Sox, Tigers, White Sox, Yankees, Angels.
Sure the NL is different but seriously, you want to pay your team $60 million? You might win a division but you're probably NOT going to the Series.
your story is so tiresome.
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Hey, why stop at $200 million. Nothing like dropping $500 to take your family to a baseball game.
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Hey, why stop at $200 million. Nothing like dropping $500 to take your family to a baseball game.
complaining about ticket prices is only something you do when you're not winning.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
First of all, the Yankees were the first team to start spending all that cash, and did so to win 4 World Series' , [/QB]
Did they have to spend to win those four series? Sure they had some players from outside of the organization, but if I remember correctly, and it was a long time ago, alot of players on those teams came up within their system.
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Originally posted by le sonick:
First of all, the Yankees were the first team to start spending all that cash, and did so to win 4 World Series' , [/b]
Did they have to spend to win those four series? Sure they had some players from outside of the organization, but if I remember correctly, and it was a long time ago, alot of players on those teams came up within their system. [/QB]
yeah, partially true.
they didnt have a $200 million payroll, but the Yanks did have the highest payroll in Baseball during 3 of those 4 years (Baltimore was the highest paid team in 1998)
in fact, here's something interesting:
in 1988 the Dodgers won the Series, in 1989 they had the highest payroll.
in 1989, the A's won the Series, they had the highest payroll in 1991.
in 1993, the Blue Jays owned both the highest payroll AND the Championship.
the Yankees did it in 1996, 1999 and 2000.
even the Orioles, whom after going to the ALCS in 1996 and 1997, owned baseballs highest payroll in 1998.
This has gone on for almost 20 years at least. you want a winning team, you have to pay for it.
I bet you'll find that before salary caps the highest paid football, hockey and basketball teams were more successful. (except the Rangers)
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Originally posted by le sonick:
The Angels know that too. they won in 2002.
Actually, Anaheim's payroll the year they won was $61,721,667 - not anywhere near the top teams in baseball (15th to be precise). That's when Disney cashed in on the team, and the new owner, coupled with huge season ticket sales has since invested a ton of money into the payroll. They have yet to return to the World Series.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
The Angels know that too. they won in 2002.
Actually, Anaheim's payroll the year they won was $61,721,667 - not anywhere near the top teams in baseball (15th to be precise). That's when Disney cashed in on the team, and the new owner, coupled with huge season ticket sales has since invested a ton of money into the payroll. They have yet to return to the World Series. [/b]
well thats my point in posting those numbers. Most teams were at the top of the payroll numbers in years following thier championships or near championships.
but even now as the Angels numbers are quite high, they win their division and always field a good team.
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If only they could do something about their dumb team name.
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Originally posted by Shemp:
If only they could do something about their dumb team name.
Red Sox or Yankees?
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Imagine the Red Sox payroll after they sign A-Rod this off-season.
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If the Rox
Lose to the Sox
Blame Fox
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By the way, if anybody bets the -220, I will punch them in the face.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
By the way, if anybody bets the -220, I will punch them in the face.
lol. i didnt bet the -220 cause i only bet $100 maximums, but i did but $50 on Sox -1 1/2.
and i thought to myself, 14 of their last 15 to finish 18 games over .500?
this team was 76-71 after Labor Day?
they looked 76-71 tonight...at best.
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the fox music guys were really on tonight ... elvis costello's "(angels want to wear my) red shoes" going to a break was a great touch
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Originally posted by le sonick:
lol. i didnt bet the -220 cause i only bet $100 maximums, but i did but $50 on Sox -1 1/2.
Well, the ratio would be the same no matter how much you bet, but if anybody thought risking $2.20 to win a $1 was a good idea, I really would have to punch them. I feel the same way about betting them to the series - you're better off betting the Sox -1.5 every game (as you did), losing one game at most, and taking home 3 times as much cash.
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
the fox music guys were really on tonight ... elvis costello's "(angels want to wear my) red shoes" going to a break was a great touch
They played Pixies (Boston) He Comes Your Man after another dominating inning from Beckett (I think the 2nd). That was incredibly strong.
But it still doesn't make up for the fact that I can't stand Tim McCarver and Joe Buck and Fox sports generally. McCarver has a good insight every once in a while but its not worth the inanity in between lucid thoughts. And what does Buck contribute? An occasional play on words? Fox broadcasts of major sporting events is a bane on our society.
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yea, we need more announcing geniuses like Tony Kornheiser...
:roll:
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Originally posted by le sonick:
yea, we need more announcing geniuses like Tony Kornheiser...
:roll:
Kornheiser is the worst.
At least you can turn the sound off MNF (although Jaws is arguably the best). Fox distracts from the game in every way - e.g. w/ graphics unrelated to the action like putting up a picture of Manny w/ his latest quote right in the middle of an at bat. They make it very difficult to stay into a game.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Originally posted by le sonick:
yea, we need more announcing geniuses like Tony Kornheiser...
:roll:
Kornheiser is the worst.
At least you can turn the sound off MNF (although Jaws is arguably the best). Fox distracts from the game in every way - e.g. w/ graphics unrelated to the action like putting up a picture of Manny w/ his latest quote right in the middle of an at bat. They make it very difficult to stay into a game. [/b]
yeah. i do hate Fox. and i HATE their graphics...sometimes they even have sound effects...ugh!
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I can't believe Joe Buck already said "Jub Jub" (http://faniq.com/blog/Video-JubJub-Joe-Buck-Makes-Good-on-Bet-with-Conan-OBrien-Blog-4733) and I missed it! That was the main reason I was gonna watch this World Series...
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ESPN Radio (Jonny Miller and Joe Morgan) over the air with the mute on the TV. The only way to watch Fox baseball.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
ESPN Radio (Johnny Miller and Joe Morgan) over the air with the mute on the TV. The only way to watch Fox baseball.
I thought he only did golf.
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I love John Miller.
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Originally posted by Shemp:
I thought he only did golf.
Sorry, there's no H.
But in SF, he's affectionately known as Jonny Miller, the voice fo the Giants.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Shemp:
I thought he only did golf.
Sorry, there's no H.
But in SF, he's affectionately known as Jonny Miller, the voice fo the Giants. [/b]
Former voice of the Orioles.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Former voice of the Orioles.
No. We don't call him that here.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Mobius:
Former voice of the Orioles.
No. We don't call him that here. [/b]
One of the Little Napoleon's many mistakes.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
At least you can turn the sound off MNF (although Jaws is arguably the best). Fox distracts from the game in every way - e.g. w/ graphics unrelated to the action like putting up a picture of Manny w/ his latest quote right in the middle of an at bat. They make it very difficult to stay into a game.
by far the most annoying is Fox's CONSTANT attempts at tying in random sponsors and/or other Fox shows during the game.
sox bullpen clanging in unison? "why, they must be trying out for 'The Next Great American Band'!"
commentary about catcher's efficiency in containing stray pitches? "they are preventing America from benefiting from Taco Bell's 'Steal a Taco' offer!"
annoying. reminds me of listening to 'skins coverage on WJFK - everything is an opportunity for a tie-in. hey fox: stay in the game, and just the game, will ya?
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Originally posted by le sonick:
I know you dont follow the Sox every day, but we arent built to win that many 2-1 ballgames.
key words being "that many" ;)
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Originally posted by saco:
Originally posted by Lazer Guided Melodies:
I am off to the Rockies v. Pads. Go Rox! And with a win I believe Matt Holliday locks up the MVP.
After that triple I think you may be right.. [/b]
Way to be MVP....
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I guess it takes a World Series, but just anybody not named walkonby on this board could have told you that this has been happening for years....
FBI opens investigation into 'attack' on Rockies ticket system
Associated Press
October 26, 2007, 2:48 PM ET
DENVER -- The FBI has opened an investigation after the Colorado Rockies claimed an "external, malicious attack" on computer servers brought down the club's first attempt to sell World Series tickets.
Computer servers handling the online-only sale were overwhelmed by 8.5 million hits in the first 90 minutes Monday, paralyzing the system and forcing the Rockies to suspend the sale.
"We are going to be opening up a case looking into the possible compromise of the Web server in Irvine," said Laura Eimiller, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Los Angeles.
The Irvine, Calif., Web servers are operated by Paciolan Inc., which handled the ticket sale.
Bob Bowman, CEO of MLB.com, Major League Baseball's Internet wing, has said the system had been overloaded by powerful computers programmed to constantly generate five-digit codes that are meant to prove that an actual human is trying to buy tickets. Bowman said those computers were blocked from buying tickets but their attempts to connect weren't discarded, allowing them to clog the system and ultimately knock it down.
The Rockies' second attempt went better, with fans snapping up more than 50,000 tickets in 2½ hours on Tuesday.
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Congrats, but I'm not happy that Okajima gave up 2 runs last night that made me break even on the series instead of winning $200.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Congrats, but I'm not happy that Okajima gave up 2 runs last night that made me break even on the series instead of winning $200.
Yeah, he was just trying to make it interesting.
soooo, you guys taking A-Rod or are we?
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Originally posted by le sonick:
soooo, you guys taking A-Rod or are we?
Loser gets Lowell. And boy do I hope we lose, but after offering big money to Soriano and getting outbid and A-Ram and being turned down, I'm a little afraid of what Moreno is going to do this offseason.
Neither team needs him to sell tickets, nor do we need him to make the playoffs, so what do you do with A-Rod in October?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
soooo, you guys taking A-Rod or are we?
Loser gets Lowell. And boy do I hope we lose, but after offering big money to Soriano and getting outbid and A-Ram and being turned down, I'm a little afraid of what Moreno is going to do this offseason.
Neither team needs him to sell tickets, nor do we need him to make the playoffs, so what do you do with A-Rod in October? [/b]
yah, its tough. Lowell is definitely the guy i want to keep.
But my theory is this. in '04 when the Sox basically signed A-Rod, i was ecstatic. not really knowing much about him other than that he was really good and filthy rich.
now he played for NY for a while and i hate him, but since i cant do anything about whether they sign him or not, i have to accept that i may need to root for him.
If they can Lowell (cause they dont want to sign him to a long deal) and get A-Rod. He's the perfect being to back Ortiz in the lineup when we usher Ramirez out of town. If Drew can play better after his first year in Boston and Ellsbury plays all year next year, we would just need to get a left-fielder who could hit, say 20 HR and 75 RBIs to take Manny's place.
I dont think the Sox pay for Manny AND A-Rod so its really one or the other.
personally, i'll take Manny. but what else scares me is that one of A-Rods biggest fans??
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Originally posted by le sonick:
when we usher Ramirez out of town
I'm just going to say [sarcastic]"thanks a lot"[/sarcastic] right now for that. I see Mo Vaughn part two with that. I'd even take that to the bank.
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October 30, 2007
Girardi Is Yankees?? Choice for Manager
By TYLER KEPNER
The Yankees have settled on a choice for Joe Torre??s successor as the manager, and it is Joe Girardi, the former manager of the Florida Marlins who won three titles as a catcher for the Yankees in the 1990s.
Girardi was selected over Don Mattingly and Tony Peña, who were members of Torre??s last coaching staff with the Yankees.
??The Yankees have expressed interest in Joe becoming manager,? Girardi??s agent, Steve Mandel, said in a telephone interview Monday. ??We??ve decided to have discussions with them and we??re moving forward. No timetable has been set, but it??s a process we??re letting take place.?
In selecting Girardi, the Yankees set in motion Mattingly??s exit from the team. ??Don was extremely disappointed to learn today that he wasn??t the organization??s choice to fill the managerial vacancy,? Mattingly??s agent, Ray Schulte, said in a statement.
??Don will use this time to reflect on this experience while considering future family and career options,? according to the statement. ??In the meantime, he did inform the Yankee??s that given the circumstances he won??t accept a coaching position within the organization during 2008."
Mattingly had been groomed to one day replace Torre as manager. Mattingly said it was his goal to manage when he agreed ?? at the request of the principal owner, George Steinbrenner ?? to become the Yankees?? hitting coach in October 2003.
He served in that capacity for three years, including 2005, when Girardi was Torre??s bench coach, before taking over as the bench coach this season. This news comes after Alex Rodriguez??s agent announced the player??s decision Sunday night to opt out of his contract. Unless the Yankees change their stance of not chasing Rodriguez as a free agent, he will be the third significant departure, after Torre and Mattingly, since the Yankees?? were eliminated from the playoffs on Oct. 8.
Mandel said Girardi, 43, was returning to his Miami home with his family after serving as a commentator for Fox at the World Series in Denver. Girardi was a broadcaster for the YES Network this season after winning the Manager of the Year award with the Marlins in 2006.
Girardi was fired after one year in Florida over differences with Marlins management, but he remained a popular choice for other teams, interviewing for managerial vacancies with the Washington Nationals and the Baltimore Orioles.
Girardi played for 15 seasons with the Chicago Cubs, the Colorado Rockies, the Yankees and the St. Louis Cardinals, and his triple off Greg Maddux in Game 6 of the 1996 World Series propelled the Yankees to the victory that clinched Torre??s first championship.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by le sonick:
when we usher Ramirez out of town
I'm just going to say [sarcastic]"thanks a lot"[/sarcastic] right now for that. I see Mo Vaughn part two with that. I'd even take that to the bank. [/b]
i think you'll like Manny a lot more than you think you would.
Mo Vaughn was an asshole. Manny's just a bit strange.