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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: K8teebug on January 24, 2005, 10:24:00 am
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Official dates are April 30th and May 1st.
Presale this weekend, but the lineup won't be announced until Monday Jan 31st.
www.coachella.com (http://www.coachella.com)
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Psst (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008612;p=2)...the pre-sale was this past weekend.
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Yeah, oops...sorry about that.
I didn't want to buy tix before the lineup was announced anyway...
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Doves
Autolux
The Futureheads
Rilo Kiley
M83
Radio 4
The Bravery
Four Tet
Miss Kittin
Wolf Eyes
Fiery Furnaces
The Killers
The Arcade Fire
have all been confirmed....plus gang of four i think
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gang of four is in,
plus Matthew Dear and Sixtoo
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u2 will almost certainly pop in... the question is what day.... regardless, I'm not making the trip this year.
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For me, it all depends on my bonus from work. It better be big, 'cause this place sucks right now. I had such a fantastic time last year. I'd love to repeat it.
But, I think last year had alot to do with the Pixies too.
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Originally posted by myuman:
u2 will almost certainly pop in... the question is what day.... regardless, I'm not making the trip this year.
I am now thinking Coldplay and not U2. too much Coldplay talk to not be true.
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Gang of Four would be great, but I'm not sure that the lineup is enough for me to go back this year. I'll have to see who else announces. New Order and the Chemical Brothers would have to be on the bill for me to consider going this year.
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it'll have to be impressive for me to make a return trip too...aphex twin or someone else who you usually can't see stateside. coldplay is a ridiculous headliner. if they're confirmed, i will definitely NOT be going to coachella this year. ditto for the doves, or tears for fears, or any of the other bands that have been "rumoured" to be on the bill.
...and a u2 headline is pretty bunk too. last time i saw them was on zooropa when i paid almost $70 (this was back in 96 or 97 mind you) to see them play a painfully short set at RFK...broken screens, no encore, no acoustic set as they had played for every other stop on that tour. aren't u2 making enough money doing their own thing to make coachella seem like a big waste of time?
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looks like you wont be going then, cause i can about guarantee two of those 3 (doves, U2, Coldplay)will be there.
i think its weak too really. My going is resting upon a few different things. Daft Punk, Chemical Brothers and then someone crazy like Elvis Costello....
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any of those would be great...just rented the michael gondry video retrospective from netflix a couple of weeks ago (he directed the "around the world" video) and it inspired me to dig out some old daft punk. i'd also love to see the verve reunite for coachella (definitely won't happen this year but i'll keep hoping).
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Portishead and New Order are now confirmed.
that almost makes it worth going to.
one rumor is that Pulp may be playing (but there are lots of rumors)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Daft Punk
ok, unless "sonickteam" on the coachella board is another person...
tell me about the new daft punk.
(i've heard only "human after all" and "robot rock"...i liked both.)
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its me. the new Daft Punk CD is pretty incredible. most of the track take away the house beat from Discovery, and go back to Homework where they are much more synthesized and robotic sounding. a lot of the digitally altered voice in the new one.
its a little less danceable, but i think it would make a better live show.
no more "one more time" songs. though, the remixes havent started flowing in.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
its me. the new Daft Punk CD is pretty incredible. most of the track take away the house beat from Discovery, and go back to Homework where they are much more synthesized and robotic sounding. a lot of the digitally altered voice in the new one.
its a little less danceable, but i think it would make a better live show.
no more "one more time" songs. though, the remixes havent started flowing in.
from the two i heard, i was guessing a return to 'homework' (a very good thing)....sweet, exactly what i wanted to hear.
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Originally posted by SalParadise:
tell me about the new daft punk.
The Turn Away From the Turntable
By SIMON REYNOLDS
IN the first months of 2005, two of electronic dance music's biggest bands will release what are generally referred to as long-awaited albums. But what's uncertain is how many people are actually waiting to greet the Chemical Brothers' "Push the Button," out this week, or Daft Punk's "Human After All," due in March. If the humiliatingly lukewarm response to last fall's comeback albums by the top dance acts the Prodigy and Fatboy Slim is any measure, neither Daft Punk nor the Chemical Brothers ought to bank on teeming throngs at the record stores or a warm radio welcome.
During the halcyon days of the late 90's, these groups were the Big Four of crossover electronica, their music fusing techno's pounding machine rhythms with anthemic hooks and hard riffs that worked as well on rock radio as they did on the dance floor. The Prodigy's success eclipsed everybody else's ("The Fat of the Land" sold nearly three million copies in America alone), but Daft Punk and Chemical Brothers enjoyed MTV hits ("Da Funk" and "Setting Sun," respectively), while tracks by Fatboy Slim achieved ubiquity via movie soundtracks and TV commercials.
In those days, electronica was so trendy that Madonna jumped on two different techno bandwagons in swift succession, assimilating the euphoric riffs of trance with "Ray of Light" and aping the spangly effervescence of French house on "Music." The bullish mood in the electronic community back then was typified by Paul Oakenfold, the British superstar D.J., who tried to break his moistly emotional brand of trance in America, in the belief that this country was set to be dance music's next big commercial frontier.
Quite the opposite happened. In the new millennium, the mainstream profile of dance music dipped alarmingly. This downturn occurred on both sides of the Atlantic, but it was particularly precipitous in America, where electronica was edged off of the charts by the twin juggernauts of nu-metal and pop-punk, along with the perennial might of hip-hop. But it wasn't just a case of mass-media gatekeepers abandoning electronic music. Something was ailing at the grass roots of the scene. Formerly packed superclubs began to close, or move to smaller venues. Large raves, once the mainstay of dance culture, became nearly extinct. "Rave is dead in the Los Angeles area," says the West Coast scene watcher Dennis Romero, who is news editor at the dance magazine BPM.
As recently as 2001, Southern California was still the most vibrant rave scene in America, but according to Mr. Romero, the kids just aren't coming out to big events anymore, partly because of Ecstasy burnout. "The superclubs here are starting to see diminishing numbers as well," Mr. Romero says, "with popular nights like Spundae taking a hiatus and Red closing down altogether."
Not only were sales of crossover-oriented electronica plummeting; the underground dance music sold in specialist record stores also declined. Some of those shops have closed because business is slow and record labels are suffering. "People I know who run labels keep getting worse and worse news," says William Linn, a San Francisco-based dance party promoter. "Partly it's because of the Internet, people just taking the music for free. But it's also because people aren't buying the stuff in the way they were when the music was a really new thing back in the early 90's." During that rave culture heyday, an underground anthem could sell anywhere from 10,000 to 50,000 copies. Today, shifting a thousand copies of a 12-inch single is considered a good result.
What happened? One cause is the continued fragmentation of dance culture into myriad micro-genres with narrow aesthetic parameters and niche followings. Another factor is musical overproduction, which effectively divides the pie into smaller slices. But the overall pie also seems to be shrinking as well. Dance music has simply lost the ear of the floating consumer. This may be, in part, a matter of fashion: electronic dance music had been around long enough to lose its "new kid on the subcultural block" status. The music had become familiar, and familiarity bred ennui.
Other genres have certainly suffered this kind of problem; dance music is going through the kind of midlife crisis that afflicts any genre that's been around a while (think rock music in the 1980's). "We're just waiting for the next Big New Thing in dance music to come along," says Norman Cook, the man behind Fatboy Slim. "Right now we're between New Things, and no one quite knows what the next one will be."
The central idea of electronic music's unwritten manifesto was always to surge full-tilt into the future. But in recent years many creators of dance music have been investigating the genre's own history, reworking ideas from electro, synthpop and Italodisco. Even more oddly, others have been looking to rock music for reinvigoration. Mr. Cook's "Palookaville" used rock instrumentation (guitar and bass) and more conventional verse/chorus song structures. Last year's biggest dancefloor anthem was Alter Ego's "Rocker," whose simple, chugging rhythm and squealing riffs are transparently modeled on heavy metal. Swaths of Daft Punk's new album, "Human After All," resemble an electronicized version of hard rock. Two highly touted early 2005 albums, the self-titled debut from LCD Soundsystem and Mu's "Out of Breach," have a rough-hewn, "live" garage punk feel to much of their contents.
Other currently hot outfits like Black Strobe, Tiefschwarz and Kiki hark back to 80's alternative rock genres like Goth and industrial. Kiki's "End of the World," for instance, features the Finnish-born producer paying vocal homage to the doomy, hollow-drone baritone of Andrew Eldritch of the goth-rock gods Sisters of Mercy. Perhaps the most bizarre example of dance music ransacking rock's archives was last year's fad for schaffel (German for shuffle), which involved producers renovating the stomping rhythms of 70's glam rock artists like T. Rex and Gary Glitter. It's hard to say whether all these different forms of rockified techno represent a subconscious attempt by the scene to ingratiate its way back into the mainstream, or are simply a case of producers looking for genre-crossing thrills. But none of them exactly restake dance music's claim as the music of the future.
Alongside its commitment to constant innovation, another central tenet of dance culture was the idea of being underground, an outlaw scene. In the early days, dance culture was oriented around one-off raves in unusual locations, often involving organizers breaking into warehouses or invading outdoor spaces. Proper safety codes were rarely observed, drugs were rife and the behavior of the participants verged on anarchy. Gradually, the thrills and dangers of raves were replaced by the more reliable pleasures offered by superclubs - organized by professionals and regularly scheduled but still fairly wild in terms of drug-fueled hedonism.
Today, the action is mostly in small clubs - like APT (419 West 13th Street) and Ikon (610 West 56th Street) in Manhattan - in some cases barely more than glorified bars. There, the audience exudes a clean-cut, metrosexual aura. At times it feels as if the room has been teleported to a chic bar in Barcelona or Berlin, especially as, more often than not, the D.J. is from Europe. Germany, in particular, is the spiritual homeland for American dance hipsters these days. Most of the leading labels - Kompakt, B-Pitch Control, Playhouse, Get Physical - are based there. In fact, some North American D.J.'s and producers like Richie Hawtin have moved to Germany because the climate for electronic music is more supportive.
If neither sonic futurism nor underground edginess apply any longer, electronic dance music's remaining raison d'être is, well, dancing. But in recent years it may have been beaten on the shake-your-booty front by dancehall and Southern rap. In response, some dance producers have started to draw upon raucously vibrant "street" beats: crunk, Miami bass, dancehall, grime and so forth.
The result is a growing hybrid genre, highlighted on the recent, excellent compilation "Shockout," known as "breakcore." Purveyed by artists like DJ/Rupture and Teamshadetek, the music combines rumbling basslines, fidgety beats and grainy ragga vocals to create a home-listening surrogate for the "bashment" vibe of a Jamaican sound system party. Others within the breakcore genre, like Knifehandchop, Kid 606 and Soundmurderer, hark back to rave's own early days, their music evoking the rowdy fervor of a time when huge crowds flailed their limbs to a barrage of abstract noise and convulsive rhythm. It's a poignant aural mirage of a time when techno music was made for the popular vanguard rather than a connoisseurial elite, as it is today.
Today's sharpest contemporary dance music operators, like Tiefschwarz or LCD Soundsystem, are roughly equivalent to recombinant rock auteurs of the 90's like PJ Harvey and Pavement, who generated sounds that weren't strictly innovative but managed to somehow feel original. Tiefschwarz's brothers-in-production duo Ali and Basti Schwarz and LCD's James Murphy have an almost scholarly knowledge of dance music history. They're adept at getting period sounds, but they combine them in fresh ways.
On LCD's album and Tiefschwarz's superb remix collection "Misch Masch," we don't really encounter the shock of the new; instead we get the frisson of novelty, subtle twists and cunning permutations within an established form. Which will have to be enough for now, until dance music producers once again figure out how to smack listeners upside the head with sonic strangeness.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/23/arts/music/23reyn.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/23/arts/music/23reyn.html)
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did that really tell us anything about DP's new CD?? at all? really?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
did that really tell us anything about DP's new CD?? at all? really?
hehe, i was thinking the same. it's an electronicized version of hard rock. i guess that's all simon wishes to divulge.
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really good article, thanks for posting it...
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http://www.virtualfestivals.com/festivals/article.cfm?articleid=1591 (http://www.virtualfestivals.com/festivals/article.cfm?articleid=1591)
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Portishead would definitely make me want to go. Coldplay sucks....they just do.
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turns out the portishead rumor was false
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a lot of rumours have been true and then false again. the same people who said Portishead also said New Order. and god knows who else.
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Line-up is online (http://www.coachella.com/)
<img src="http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~berto_solis/music/coachella.PNG" alt=" - " />
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yeah looks pretty awesome.....
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Originally posted by Got Haggis?:
Portishead and New Order are now confirmed.
that almost makes it worth going to.
one rumor is that Pulp may be playing (but there are lots of rumors)
Pulp broke up
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So Coldplay and Nine Inch Nails?
With all the other, better talent performing there is no reason why those two bands should be headlining either night, especially above New Order and Bauhaus.
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I think this year's lineup is a let down. Looks like it saved me a bunch of cash though!
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i think i am going to pass this year. some good bands, but not enough.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i think i am going to pass this year. some good bands, but not enough.
Agreed. Portishead might have sealed the deal for me on Day Two, but otherwise I've either seen or will see most of those bands when they pass through this year.
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CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK
Coachella lineup may be its best
In six years, the weekend-long music festival has become the most important, grand-scale rock music experience in the country.
By Robert Hilburn
LA Times Staff Writer
Jan 31 2005
Bono, who has taken over Pete Townshend's role of resident philosopher in rock, believes the hardest thing in pop music isn't creating hits but remaining relevant â?? and the challenge doesn't apply to just musicians.
As the guiding force behind the annual Coachella Valley Music and Art Festival, Paul Tollett has built the weekend affair in just six years into the most important, grand-scale rock music experience in the country by presenting the best and most relevant, not just popular, rock acts.
And this year's lineup â?? which will be announced today â?? may be the strongest yet. It's highlighted by such acclaimed veteran or upcoming acts as Coldplay, Nine Inch Nails, Gang of Four, Wilco and Bright Eyes.
One sign of Coachella's hold on the pop imagination is that fans look forward to the talent lineup announcement each year with almost as much fervor as the show itself. When it comes to the festival's integrity, that talent bill is as important in many ways as the actual performances.
The fear is that Tollett and his Goldenvoice team will began going for merely popular acts to help boost attendance, but there's no sign of that in the talent list for the April 30 and May 1 concerts at the Empire Polo Field in Indio. (All 80-plus acts, including the usual parade of DJs, will be announced today on the festival website: www.coachella.com.) (http://www.coachella.com.))
Coldplay, the most heralded arena-level band from Britain since Radiohead, will headline the opening-day program, which also includes Wilco, Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, the Chemical Brothers, Snow Patrol, Rilo Kiley, Sage Francis, Mercury Rev, Bloc Party and the Kills on various stages over nearly 12 hours.
The second-day lineup is even more enticing â?? headed by the return to action of Trent Reznor's Nine Inch Nails, which stood alongside Nirvana as one of the most captivating groups in '90s rock.
The appearances by the graceful, gently melodic Coldplay and far darker and more aggressive Nine Inch Nails are especially timely because both bands will be previewing material from much-anticipated albums. (Coldplay will also be playing a KCRW-FM benefit March 12 at the Universal Amphitheatre).
There's no release date for the Coldplay album, but "With Teeth," the first new Nine Inch Nails album in six years, will be in stores two days after the Coachella show. The CD is a confident, accessible work, far more in keeping with 1994's brilliant "The Downward Spiral" than 1999's striking but sometimes impenetrable "The Fragile."
Rivaling Reznor for attention Sunday will be Bright Eyes featuring Conor Oberst, whose new albums â?? the acoustic "I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning" and the electronica-based "Digital Ash in a Digital Urn" â?? are among the most widely acclaimed collections in years.
Oberst performed on the second stage at last year's Coachella, but the buzz on him was in its infancy, which means this year's set will carry the extra tension of seeing if he can live up to mounting expectations.
Speaking of buzz, Arcade Fire, a Canadian rock band with a wonderfully original way of looking at issues of salvation and loss, has emerged in recent months as another critical darling. It will be interesting to see how the group, a huge hit in local club shows recently, responds to the larger stage. Given the Fire's passionate, highly animated performance style, the odds are it'll be well received.
Two other respected British outfits will also be reintroducing themselves to U.S. audiences: Gang of Four, the hugely influential British band from the '70s whose influence has been cited by such upcoming groups as Franz Ferdinand and the Futureheads, and New Order, the synth-pop outfit best known for such hits as "Blue Monday."
The support acts on Sunday will also include the return of the Prodigy, whose 2002 appearance at Coachella failed to jump-start its comeback attempt, plus such highly touted newcomers as M.I.A., the Futureheads, British Sea Power, the Fiery Furnaces, the Dresden Dolls, Autolux and the Bravery. Tickets, priced at $80 for one day or $150 for both, go on sale Saturday.
What makes the Coachella setting such a challenge for all these bands is that the festival crowd, which averaged 50,000 a day last year, tends to be more discriminating than the average pop audience. Thus, the word of mouth from the show â?? along with the views of critics who come to Coachella from around the country â?? can be unusually helpful or damaging to an act.
In fact, Coachella compresses two months of savvy clubgoing into a weekend. You also have the luxury of just moving on to another tent or stage if one band doesn't prove interesting.
As of press time Sunday, Tollett was still wrestling with adding another major American rock act to the bill before today's announcement. He also has to try to find a solution to the horrific traffic congestion that has plagued past Coachella events.
Mainly, however, the biggest hurdle has been overcome. The talent is booked and Bono's challenge shifts to the musicians, both the veterans and those so new they are known to local rock fans only as names in British pop papers. Now it's their turn to prove on stage they are as relevant in today's rock world as Coachella itself.
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I am going...I've always wanted to see New Order and the 2002 DVD actually shows them in peak form. I have a feeling they'll be great, they're the ones I want to see most...esp. given that they play a fair amount of Joy Division songs and Barney can pull off stuff like "Transmission". It would be worth it just hear that.
Gang of Four, Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, the Chemical Brothers, even the Prodigy...what can I say. I still think I prefer last year's line-up, but this is going to be great. I had a wonderful time last year and I'm excited about this one too.
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Gang of Four, Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, the Chemical Brothers, even the Prodigy...what can I say.
is that a good thing or a bad thing? this nostalgia kick is out of control. there are hardly any bands playing that are currently at their peak. i mean, even wilco, black star, etc. peaked a while ago. you've got arcade fire, jean grae, british sea power, wolf eyes ... if you like secret machines, fiery furnaces and ambulance, i guess. and you could see all of those bands headline their own shows at the 930 or black cat for a combined, what, $75-$80?
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I am 29 years old, I missed A LOT of these bands (except for the Cocteau Twins). Besides, a band like X is better live now then they were in the early 80's (for example, even though they're not at Coachella), the Pixies played more consistently on this last tour than they did back in the day. Personally, age doesn't mean that a band will suck. I don't care about nostalgia. Good music stands the test of time, and everyone will be dead soon enough. I'm glad I saw the Ramones when I did. I say just enjoy the music for what it is, enjoy some warmth, enjoy the drugs...whatever :) I'll be meeting up with friends there and it will hopefully be a fun time.
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Ironic that the progressive music of the 80's now is scorned by the trendies in the same way classic rock was scorned by trendies in the 80's.
Originally posted by bunnyman:
I am 29 years old, I missed A LOT of these bands (except for the Cocteau Twins). Besides, a band like X is better live now then they were in the early 80's (for example, even though they're not at Coachella), the Pixies played more consistently on this last tour than they did back in the day. Personally, age doesn't mean that a band will suck. I don't care about nostalgia. Good music stands the test of time, and everyone will be dead soon enough. I'm glad I saw the Ramones when I did. I say just enjoy the music for what it is, enjoy some warmth, enjoy the drugs...whatever :) I'll be meeting up with friends there and it will hopefully be a fun time.
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In my opinion this years lineup is not as good as last years but I am going either way. The "headliners" of last year were much more impressive in my opinion but this years "middle tier" is leaps and bounds better..... again all my opinion.
I have bought the tix and made reservations, should be a great time. Only thing left to wish for is a little cooler temps than last year!!
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I was too young to go to concerts in the 80's though I listened to a lot of that music back then. So for me it will be a fun time.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Ironic that the progressive music of the 80's now is scorned by the trendies in the same way classic rock was scorned by trendies in the 80's.
how is it being scorned by the trendies? Bauhaus, New Order, Cocteau Twins, Gang Of four, all at the trendiest show in America!
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Read BookerT's post.
In my high school, the rednecks who favored "nostalgia" music from the 70's like Zeppelin, etc. called people who listened to alternative music "faggots." Now, people are complaining that that which was once progressive is now "nostalgia."
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Ironic that the progressive music of the 80's now is scorned by the trendies in the same way classic rock was scorned by trendies in the 80's.
how is it being scorned by the trendies? Bauhaus, New Order, Cocteau Twins, Gang Of four, all at the trendiest show in America! [/b]
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coldplay a headliner over bauhaus is so much worse than radiohead headlining over the pixies...the difference is that coldplay completely blows and at least radiohead is a decent act. i'm definitely not going this year although there are a handful of bands i'd really like to see. i'm just hoping that bauhaus and mercury rev do a full us tour in addition to the coachella gig.
whoever said it earlier is exactly right...i've seen arcade fire, secret machines, fiery furnaces, etc., on their recent stops in dc and guaranteed they'll be coming back. not going to spend $500+ this year to see them play a 30 minute set in the hot desert.
bummer day tho. i was hoping for a much better line-up.
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Read BookerT's post.
In my high school, the rednecks who favored "nostalgia" music from the 70's like Zeppelin, etc. called people who listened to alternative music "faggots." Now, people are complaining that that which was once progressive is now "nostalgia."
it's not quite that. i love new order plenty, i listen to PC&L all the time, but that record came out over 20 years ago. i'd argue that these "progressive" bands exist presently more as money-making vehicles more than artistic endeavors. frank black admitted as much with the whole pixies thing. that's not to say that the pixies didn't put on a great show or that new order isn't capable of doing the same.
or maybe i did just mean what rhett said, he's never wrong.
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All bands exist as money making endeavors. Even the crappy ones I listen to who don't make much money.
Originally posted by BookerT:
Read BookerT's post.
In my high school, the rednecks who favored "nostalgia" music from the 70's like Zeppelin, etc. called people who listened to alternative music "faggots." Now, people are complaining that that which was once progressive is now "nostalgia."
it's not quite that. i love new order plenty, i listen to PC&L all the time, but that record came out over 20 years ago. i'd argue that these "progressive" bands exist presently more as money-making vehicles more than artistic endeavors. frank black admitted as much with the whole pixies thing. that's not to say that the pixies didn't put on a great show or that new order isn't capable of doing the same.
or maybe i did just mean what rhett said, he's never wrong. [/b]
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All bands exist as money making endeavors.
no shit. my point is that i'd rather see a band that's currently making its best music than a band that made good music 20 years ago.
who would you rather see in 2005, bobby bare jr. or, say, roger mcguinn?
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You are right. I am just playing devils advocate. I actually agree with you on this one. I'd rather see the more relevant artists. As I said, I just think it's ironic that the musical trailblazers are now "nostalgia."
Originally posted by BookerT:
All bands exist as money making endeavors.
no shit. my point is that i'd rather see a band that's currently making its best music than a band that made good music 20 years ago.
who would you rather see in 2005, bobby bare jr. or, say, roger mcguinn? [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
All bands exist as money making endeavors. Even the crappy ones I listen to who don't make much money.
you really pride yourself on liking bands that no one else likes and dont make any money
why is that?
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I was just joking.
95% of the bands I go see are at either Iota, Black Cat, or 9:30 Club, and are by nationally touring acts with records deals and radio exposure.
Doesn't mean they are as popular as Radiohead, but in the grand scheme of things, given how many bands there are out there, I think the bands I like are relatively popular.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
All bands exist as money making endeavors. Even the crappy ones I listen to who don't make much money.
you really pride yourself on liking bands that no one else likes and dont make any money
why is that? [/b]
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Originally posted by BookerT:
who would you rather see in 2005, bobby bare jr. or, say, roger mcguinn?
come again?
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Perhaps a more clearly defined example would be"Who would you rather see in 2005, Bobby Bare Jr or Bobby Bare Sr?"
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by BookerT:
who would you rather see in 2005, bobby bare jr. or, say, roger mcguinn?
come again? [/b]
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I'm rather surprised that Queens of the Stone Age and Interpol aren't playing this year. I wonder if there's a chance they still still add a few names on.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
I'm rather surprised that Queens of the Stone Age and Interpol aren't playing this year. I wonder if there's a chance they still still add a few names on.
franz ferdinand too.
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i told my girlfriend. she wants to go, but all the stuff we want to see is in the evening so we wouldn't have to worry about the heat if we went this year.
we want to see coldplay, new order and bauhaus as far as the bigger bands go. if they end up having their own shows (even if they are on the west coast) around that time i really feel like it'd be better to go to those than to go to coachella.
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Given how many people I know going to Coachella and given how well-organized a festival it is, I am actually looking forward to just being there. I bet that neither night will sell out this year either. I don't think enough people will want to travel again this year and most of the folks that go will be West Coast since it's less of a big deal to travel. I think it's a great line-up, but you would be SHOCKED at how many people still haven't heard of Coachella (of course, those people probably would never travel to a festival across the country either). I personally hope that fewer people show up...that will mean easier to park and easier to get out when the show's over!
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tegan and sara? wtf? that's just wrong! WRONG!
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I'd go if it were on the east coast. The line-up does excite me as a whole like last year's.
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Originally posted by lily1:
tegan and sara? wtf? that's just wrong! WRONG!
isnt it? and Thrice? not cool. in fact there are several question marks on that lineup.
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But Bigyawn said they were one of the best of 2004!
Originally posted by lily1:
tegan and sara? wtf? that's just wrong! WRONG!
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But Bigyawn said they were one of the best of 2004!
bigyawn didnt really mean that. Bigyawn is just in its early stages of life. sooner or later it will have enough courage to try and be a LITTLE different from all the other online magazine type sites.....that Tegan and Sara is like a modern Indigo Girls...
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But Bigyawn said they were one of the best of 2004!
Hey, give us some credit - at least we didn't include garbage like the latest Old 97's record.
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I bet if Tegan and Sara had Indigo Girls haircuts, they'd be nowhere in the indie press.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But Bigyawn said they were one of the best of 2004!
bigyawn didnt really mean that. Bigyawn is just in its early stages of life. sooner or later it will have enough courage to try and be a LITTLE different from all the other online magazine type sites.....that Tegan and Sara is like a modern Indigo Girls... [/b]
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Originally posted by elj:
Hey, give us some credit - at least we didn't include garbage like the latest Old 97's record.
I dont think you deserve any credit , mr hfstival.com
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I dont think you deserve any credit , mr hfstival.com
Jaron HFStival.com is actually a pen name. My legal given name is Chad fetishsex.org.
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I don't get you hipsters...not enough good bands??? I think Coldplay is great but I'm sure it's not "cool" to say so...whatever..the first day line-up is as good as any festival line-up I've ever seen...never been to Coachella but I'm thinking of doing day one this year...
I know it's on another thread..I got the new Daft Punk and was dissapointed by it...the new Idlewild and Doves are brilliant on the other hand...
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I've never been an Idlewild fan, but loved the first Doves record and was disappointed by "The Last Broadcast". how does the new Doves compare to their other 2?
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Originally posted by Fico:
I don't get you hipsters...not enough good bands??? I think Coldplay is great but I'm sure it's not "cool" to say so...whatever..the first day line-up is as good as any festival line-up I've ever seen...never been to Coachella but I'm thinking of doing day one this year...
Coldplay, blah. i think enough good bands is relative....enuogh good bands to drive to NYC? sure....enough to take off 2 days of work and drop $800? nah. call me young, foolish and not a real music fan, but i am not a Bauhaus or Cocteau Twins fan....and the Chemical Brothers in a tent? not cool. I've seen them in like 10 tents before.
for me peronally, i am saving for a house this year, so i could go, but my money will be better spent elsewhere this year.
to be honest....who cares who's playing...Coachella is an awesome time all around.
and my advice, go both days, it will only cost you an extra little bit of cash.
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Is this a reformed Cocteau Twins? My impression was that Robin and Elizabeth were involved in a horrible relationship. I saw them back in the day and while the show was good, visually they had to be one of the dullest acts I've ever seen. Three guitarists, Bass Player and Elizabeth, playing in low lights, backed the entire time by a drum machine or tape. Can't see them translating to bright sunshine.
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Same Cocteau Twins.
There's lots of speculation as to whether there will be a tour to follow but no real word yet one way or the other. We all suspect that there will be at least a little touring but they have to keep it hush hush until more tickets for Coachella are sold. Then again, a lot may depend on the personal dynamics and whether they can get past them long enough to do a tour.
I agree that the desert sun isn't quite the Cocteau Twins ideal setting. Same with Bauhaus, whom I'd love to see again. At least they both should perform at night.
And I agree with you Bunnyman and Sonick that collectively, the line up is good enough to make a fun event of the time. Also, like you Sonick, I don't have that much money to blow right now no matter how much I might want to go. That's a very big chunk of change for some of us. The biggest tease to me is that I have some friends going whom I'd meet up with and would get me backstage and in VIP areas. Crap.
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how much do tickets go for?
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Originally posted by Got Haggis?:
how much do tickets go for?
last year i think if you got them in the presale they were like $71+fees and later they were something like $75+fees? i could be wrong, but approximately $70 PER DAY (not for the whole festival).
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its about $165 for a 2 day pass, if you buy through ticketmaster. camping is extra.
thats what its costed me the last 2 years.
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Re: the Cocteau Twins reunion (as posted on cocteautwins.com):
REUNION UPDATE
The positive response to the reunion announcement has been incredible, and is much appreciated. (Maybe absence does make the heart grow fonder?)
However, due to the large flood of e-mail received following the announcement to play a live gig at the 2005 Coachella Festival, it's necessary to clarify a few things, at least as they stand now:
Cocteau Twins have agreed to play only one live performanceâ??30 April at Coachella.
There are no plans for a live tour or album following this reunion show.
No one has said "never," but it's important to clarify that the band have only agreed to do this one performance and have not discussed the possibility of collaborating beyond that. The band met last week, in person, for the first time in eight years, so please understand there's no "big agenda" happening just yet. One step at a time, right?
Rehearsals for the Coachella show will probably begin in April. Some of you have asked if there will be "warm-up" concerts to prepare for the actual gig in California, and all we can say is, "possibly." That information would be premature, to say the least, as those types of things are often arranged last-minute, anyway. If it happens, we'll let you know.
Finally, the full on-stage lineup for the 30 April performance will be Elizabeth Fraser, Robin Guthrie, Simon Raymonde, Mitsuo Tate (guitar) and Damon Reece (drums).
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I'm listening to "the Spangle Maker" off the Pink Opaque and have to say I'm pretty damn excited. I just hope that the Cocteau Twins don't suck like they did in 1994. I saw them in 1991 and they were awesome though.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
I'm listening to "the Spangle Maker" off the Pink Opaque and have to say I'm pretty damn excited. I just hope that the Cocteau Twins don't suck like they did in 1994. I saw them in 1991 and they were awesome though.
The 1991 tour was the one I had tickets to and missed after the date got moved. I was living in New Orleans and they played at this tiny auditorium on Tulane's campus. I still have never seen them live but hope to redeem myself shortly.