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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Medusa on November 02, 2004, 09:14:00 am
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Just returned from voting - the line literally stretched down the block! The hour I had to wait went by quite quickly and I felt good being there.
Last night I started thinking of acronymns for the word VOTE.
My favorite one I came up with:
Vote Out Tyrannical Extremists
Any others?
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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I arrived at my polling location in Takoma Park about 10 minutes before the polls opened. There were ~50 people there ahead of me. By the time I exited, there were at least a hundred folks waiting in line.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
I arrived at my polling location in Takoma Park about 10 minutes before the polls opened. There were ~50 people there ahead of me. By the time I exited, there were at least a hundred folks waiting in line.
Lines were also long at my polling place in Dupont Circle this morning...
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Despite the line and the new-fangled electronic voting machines, the poll workers kept everyone moving along at a good pace. I actually arrived at work at my regular time.
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in my neighborhood (Doompont), the line stretched down a full block and then halfway around the corner. I couldn't wait but I'll leave work mid-day to do my part to BEAT THE BUSH!
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Lines were also long at my polling place in Dupont Circle this morning...
Sounds like we were at the same place (St. Thomas Church)!
We could very well have been near each other in line, even though we wouldn't have known it (I don't know what you look like).
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Check out Pitchfork's site (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com) today. :)
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I voted by absentee ballot last week, so today was a bit of an anti-climax for me personally -- that does not assuage the nervousness of waiting. Damn.
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Looks like it is raining heavily in PA and OH :(
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Originally posted by pollard:
Looks like it is raining heavily in PA and OH :(
Dr.Cheney must be working overtime at the top-top-secret weather control laboratory.
<img src="http://www.rwyouth.org/rock/news/images/cheney.jpg" alt=" - " />
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My vote in MD is completely a waste of time seeing as the Dem always takes it....which brings me to yet another chance to bitch about the electoral college bullshit.
IDEA!
If you insist on having this electoral college crap in doodleville, why not do it another way to make it a little less unfair.
Say, for example Knobhead Bush gets 51% and Kerry 49% of the votes in OH...instead of Bush getting all the electoral college votes, he should get 51% of them and Kerry 49% of them, that would seem to make a little more sense out of a stupid system......no? Still not as democratic as the popular vote system, but better than the shit you all have now.
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Who let the Irish in?
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BTW facists....I mean republicans. It's only ONE vote each, and black people get one each too.
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Originally posted by marquee smith:
Who let the Irish in?
John Kerry! :D
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Originally posted by marquee smith:
Who let the Irish in?
John Kerry! :D [/b]
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Being the nice guy I am, I think Blacks and Women should get three votes each, to make up for a time when they didn't have the vote.
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
BTW facists....I mean republicans. It's only ONE vote each, and black people get one each too.
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I thought John Kerry wasn't Irish at all?
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Well after believing DC screwed up my registration, I just discovered I am registered so I will be voting shortly. Kerry is about to have 79.99999999% of the dc vote rather than 79.99999998% of it! woooooooooooooooooo
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Well, I went to the poll place with my girlfiend and DAMN there were lots of people there. And we were sorta in the ghetto. Old school voting machines, and just two of them. But the people there said 450 people voted there in 2000, and they had over 120 at 8:45am.
Election day is the only real day i wish i was a doodle.
quite a buzz going around
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Originally posted by pollard:
Well after believing DC screwed up my registration, I just discovered I am registered so I will be voting shortly. Kerry is about to have 79.99999999% of the dc vote rather than 79.99999998% of it! woooooooooooooooooo
yeah. . .dc is just a means to increase his popular vote. :)
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We called all the Bush supporters "scroungy hookas".
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someone campaigning for Mary Pat Clarke had cookies. and they were handing them out.
and you know what? i dont even know what she was running for, but if someone handed me a cookie right before i voted. It sure would sway my vote a little.
just a thought for you young inspiring politicians. :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Election day is the only real day i wish i was a doodle.
quite a buzz going around [/QB]
You can have my vote, I'm not standing in a stupid line for an hour.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Election day is the only real day i wish i was a doodle.
quite a buzz going around [/b]
You can have my vote, I'm not standing in a stupid line for an hour. [/QB]
and i thought you were just ignorant cause you liked Bush and the Yankees.
stupid line? i bet about 2 billion people in this world would LOVE to stand in a "stupid" line to decide what happens to thier country. (sorta)
ok, would you stand in that line if Jeter was running?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and i thought you were just ignorant cause you liked Bush and the Yankees.
stupid line? i bet about 2 billion people in this world would LOVE to stand in a "stupid" line to decide what happens to thier country. (sorta)
ok, would you stand in that line if Jeter was running? [/QB]
Ignorant? It's freedom of choice. I choose not to vote and not to whine and bitch about who's elected. They both have their positives and they both have their negatives. I like both of them and don't care which one of them gets elected. End of story.
I laughed at the Manny sign he had at the victory parade. But at last count I believe it was Jeter, 4 rings, Manny 1......Loser.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Election day is the only real day i wish i was a doodle.
quite a buzz going around [/b]
You can have my vote, I'm not standing in a stupid line for an hour. [/QB]
What line were you in? The one for Manson?
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
The one for Manson? [/QB]
Ummm.....tickets.com.....no line.....nice try though.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I laughed at the Manny sign he had at the victory parade. But at last count I believe it was Jeter, 4 rings, Manny 1......Loser.
i knew you'd be bitter sooner or later.....choker
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it begins...
alleged voting fraud in philly (http://www.drudgereport.com/vote1.htm)
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i stood in line out in arlington for two hours. when i left my polling place there was not only a huge line inside, but a line that wrapped around the block just to become part of the line outside. i'll be so proud to be part of virginia's first time being a blue state in 40 years (fingers crossed).
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does anyone else think that a huge turnout means Kerry could take a couple states previously held by Bush/Republicans?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
does anyone else think that a huge turnout means Kerry could take a couple states previously held by Bush/Republicans?
I think so, I believe the last time I checked he mighta had a hold on Maine who are usually a Republican state, or at least a Bush supporter. Not that Maine is gonna make or break an election.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
does anyone else think that a huge turnout means Kerry could take a couple states previously held by Bush/Republicans?
uh, yeah. Pretty much everyone else thinks that.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
[/qb]
i knew you'd be bitter sooner or later.....choker
<img src="http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20041030/capt.sge.bou92.301004215335.photo00.photo.default-271x376.jpg" alt=" - " /> [/QB][/QUOTE]
Michael Jordan is probably playing golf also, does that mean Manny is better than Jordan....I doubt it with his one measly ring. Luis Sojo has more rings then Manny.....LOL
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Originally posted by joz:
it begins...
alleged voting fraud in philly (http://www.drudgereport.com/vote1.htm)
so who were the votes for?
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i walked out of my apartment building unsure exactly where my polling place was, and found the end of the line right where i walked out, stretched around the block and that was apparently the shortest it has been all day, that was at about 10:30, i wish it wasnt in a church though, it burns me
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Michael Jordan is probably playing golf also, does that mean Manny is better than Jordan
Manny has more World Series rings than Michael Jordan, dumbass.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by joz:
it begins...
alleged voting fraud in philly (http://www.drudgereport.com/vote1.htm)
so who were the votes for? [/b]
i don't think that's come out yet...according to drudge the story is "still developing". i'm anxious to hear more about it but i doubt the major news media will cover it unless it becomes a huge ordeal.
[post note...the drudge report is now saying that the kerry camp denies that reports of votes already on machines is false.]
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I waited in line in northern VA for 2.5 hours, but about .5 hour of that was because I saw my boyfriend back in line and skipped out to join him.
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So who did Manny vote for?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
So who did Manny vote for?
he's Dominican. I woulda wrote in Jonnny Damon for Judge of the Circuit Court though. :)
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pushing those buttons felt SO good this morning.
can you imagine the blathering concession speech we just may get from Jr?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
So who did Manny vote for?
he's Dominican. I woulda wrote in Jonnny Damon for Judge of the Circuit Court though. :) [/b]
Manny's an American citizen now.
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the Drudge Report is part of the Repugnican disinformation and dirty tricks machine.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
QUOTE]Manny's an American citizen now.
you are correct. happened this May
good call.
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Manny did miss a game this year to be sworn in as a citizen so I am sure he is excited to exercise his right to vote for the first time.
A yankee fan not bitch about something? Highly unlikely - they are still upset that "Donny Baseball" wasn't a first time Hall of Famer- oh and Manny has more rings then him
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I'll bet he'll be the first ungracious loser in history.
Originally posted by grotty:
pushing those buttons felt SO good this morning.
can you imagine the blathering concession speech we just may get from Jr?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet he'll be the first ungracious loser in history.
not really going out on a limb, since the man has no grace to begin with, I doubt he'll learn any in defeat.
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Here's another good omen. Hell froze over:
The Texas panhandle: Up to 7 inches of snow fell. Randall County Clerk Sue Bartolino warned voters to be careful on the roads. A winter weather advisory was posted for the Panhandle and Texas' South Plains, with up to 4 more inches of snow and strong northerly wind expected.
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Apparently the voting machines in Philly did not have "votes" in them before the polls-- the numbers on the back of the machines referred to the number of times the machines have been used in an election.
Drudge posting unsubstantiated "breaking news"? I'm shocked.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet he'll be the first ungracious loser in history.
Originally posted by grotty:
pushing those buttons felt SO good this morning.
can you imagine the blathering concession speech we just may get from Jr?
[/b]
Al Gore doesn't qualify?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Michael Jordan is probably playing golf also, does that mean Manny is better than Jordan
Manny has more World Series rings than Michael Jordan, dumbass. [/b]
I said rings, not world series rings.....dumbass. :p
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I said rings, not world series rings.....dumbass. :p
Ok, then. i see what you mean.
well, at this exact moment, i am wearing TWO rings. which means, I have more rings than Jeter. And i have 4 at home that i am not wearing, so THAT means, i have more rings than Jeter AND Manny combined.
dumbass. :eek:
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I said rings, not world series rings.....dumbass. :p
Ok, then. i see what you mean.
well, at this exact moment, i am wearing TWO rings. which means, I have more rings than Jeter. And i have 4 at home that i am not wearing, so THAT means, i have more rings than Jeter AND Manny combined.
dumbass. :cool:
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Ok, I see we could do this all day, so we can stop now........dumbass :cool:
ok. choker.
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Rings on guys are kinda faggy, don'tcha think? I mean, other than wedding rings.
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Originally posted by grotty:
pushing those buttons felt SO good this morning.
X rated booths - cool.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
My vote in MD is completely a waste of time seeing as the Dem always takes it....which brings me to yet another chance to bitch about the electoral college bullshit.
IDEA!
If you insist on having this electoral college crap in doodleville, why not do it another way to make it a little less unfair.
Say, for example Knobhead Bush gets 51% and Kerry 49% of the votes in OH...instead of Bush getting all the electoral college votes, he should get 51% of them and Kerry 49% of them, that would seem to make a little more sense out of a stupid system......no? Still not as democratic as the popular vote system, but better than the shit you all have now.
Mankie, stop that. There are many local issues that your vote counts for.
In addition, some states already have adopted your idea (New Hampshire) and there is an initiative in Colorado to do just what you are proposing, although it is not likely to pass.
However, the electoral college is designed to give the smaller states (MD) a chance to have a slightly larger voice then they would have against the most populous states in the nation (CA & TX) so folks from MD should be in favor of the system.
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isnt it the United STATES of America?
combining everyone and tallying them as one seems like it would take the States part out of the equation.
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So who should I vote for?
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Originally posted by nkotbie:
So who should I vote for?
Jello Biafra
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Rings on guys are kinda faggy, don'tcha think?
I think guys who refer to themselves with the name of their favorite singer is kinda faggy.
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Originally posted by LonnieBeale:
Rings on guys are kinda faggy, don'tcha think?
I think guys who refer to themselves with the name of their favorite singer is kinda faggy. [/b]
i agree.
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Perhaps, but not half as faggy as the name "Lonnie".
Originally posted by LonnieBeale:
Rings on guys are kinda faggy, don'tcha think?
I think guys who refer to themselves with the name of their favorite singer is kinda faggy. [/b]
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Originally posted by LonnieBeale:
I think guys who refer to themselves with the name of their favorite singer is kinda faggy.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i agree.
heyyyyyyyyyyy
oh and will there ever be a time when people will stop saying things like faggy
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From the Post:
"Only a handful of states allow voters to register on election day. In New Hampshire, the Democratic Party helped students at the University of New Hampshire in Durham fill out affidavits changing their residency to that state, along with legal forms to override challenges anticipated by Republicans.
The Bush campaign in recent days has distributed literature warning students of "wide-ranging implications legally and financially" if they register in the Granite State."
How telling....the more people that vote, the worse it is for the Republican party. They'd be happy if we all stayed home.
Also from the Post:
"In South Dakota, a federal judge partially granted Democratic U.S. Sen. Tom Daschle's request to limit the activities of Republican poll watchers, after he accused his opponent and the GOP of intimidating native American voters.
As part of the ruling, Republican poll watchers are prohibited from following native Americans out of the polling places or from taking down their license numbers as they drive away."
Now that's classy.
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intimidating someone AFTER they vote?
kinda strange dontcha think?
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Probably held out a bottle of booze to them and then snatched it away...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
intimidating someone AFTER they vote?
kinda strange dontcha think?
Hah...good point! Not only low-brow, but pointless.
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i can't vote...
instead i went out and bought the team america soundtrack.
DAILY SHOW IS ON AT 10 tonight to cover the election. watch it, it does what the regualar channels do but it is actually entatining.
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early turnout reports (http://www.mydd.com/)
disclaimer - i have no idea how reputable this site is.
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Originally posted by grotty:
early turnout reports (http://www.mydd.com/)
disclaimer - i have no idea how reputable this site is.
without getting too much into it. . those early exit poll numbers have been taking a beating on many web sites due to make-up of the samples and the sampling size. provided they are even correct to begin with.
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the latest from wonkette. i won't put too much into it either, but i still like seeing it this way than the other way.
FL: 52/48 - KERRY
OH: 52/47 - KERRY
MI: 51/48 - KERRY
PA: 58/42 - KERRY
IA: 50/48 - KERRY
WI: 53/47 - KERRY
MN: 57/42 - KERRY
NH: 58/41 - KERRY
ME: 55/44 - KERRY
NM: 49/49 - TIE
NV: 48/49 - BUSH
CO: 49/50 - BUSH
AR: 45/54 - BUSH
NC: 47/53 - BUSH
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Originally posted by BookerT:
the latest from wonkette. i won't put too much into it either, but i still like seeing it this way than the other way.
FL: 52/48 - KERRY
OH: 52/47 - KERRY
MI: 51/48 - KERRY
PA: 58/42 - KERRY
IA: 50/48 - KERRY
WI: 53/47 - KERRY
MN: 57/42 - KERRY
NH: 58/41 - KERRY
ME: 55/44 - KERRY
NM: 49/49 - TIE
NV: 48/49 - BUSH
CO: 49/50 - BUSH
AR: 45/54 - BUSH
NC: 47/53 - BUSH
MA: 40/60 - Sonick
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Originally posted by BookerT:
the latest from wonkette. i won't put too much into it either, but i still like seeing it this way than the other way.
FL: 52/48 - KERRY
OH: 52/47 - KERRY
MI: 51/48 - KERRY
PA: 58/42 - KERRY
IA: 50/48 - KERRY
WI: 53/47 - KERRY
MN: 57/42 - KERRY
NH: 58/41 - KERRY
ME: 55/44 - KERRY
NM: 49/49 - TIE
NV: 48/49 - BUSH
CO: 49/50 - BUSH
AR: 45/54 - BUSH
NC: 47/53 - BUSH
Yep, this would be excellent. So that you see how this thing is followed in Europe, I got a call during the Barcelona - Milan game from a friend telling me that he was in the stadium and asking me whether there were any results from the key states.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
MA: 40/60 - Sonick
nice.
I will raise taxes on all Yankees fans, and impose a cap on all AL East teams other than Boston. :)
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Yep, this would be excellent. So that you see how this thing is followed in Europe, I got a call during the Barcelona - Milan game from a friend telling me that he was in the stadium and asking me whether there were any results from the key states.
as an fyi to you barcelona. . polls on the east coast don't close until 7 or 8 pm, eastern time. that would include the states of new hampshire, and most of florida and pennsylvania. the next round won't close until after 9 pm eastern, and so forth through the western states. for most people's purpose though, the eastern and central time zones contain the important states (with new mexico being mountain, and nevada being pacific time zone). so, you're friend will have to stay up very late to get any solid information on the poll numbers.
those early numbers were tilted strongly toward women. . .so, all in all, it should lean back towards a tie as the evening wears on (traditionally, women vote more than men in the morning, and men vote more than women in the evening - and bush polls better with men than women).
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Yep, this would be excellent. So that you see how this thing is followed in Europe, I got a call during the Barcelona - Milan game from a friend telling me that he was in the stadium and asking me whether there were any results from the key states.
I was just reading a few European news sites (BBC, Le Monde, Libération) and the coverage is quite extensive. There was a chat on Libé with a reporter stationed in Miami describing the scene, who's voting, what it means, etc. "Tout le monde prend cette élection très au sérieux"
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I just picked this up on some other board:
for what it's worth the big money folks on Wall Street - who are arguably smarter and better-connected then all of us - bailed out this afternoon during a early rally on Internet stories that exit polls show Kerry is doing very well in some battleground states. Maybe they know something we don't know and Kerry is doing better then expected. Money still talks.
Maybe the early reports bear some truth.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
those early numbers were tilted strongly toward women. . .so, all in all, it should lean back towards a tie as the evening wears on (traditionally, women vote more than men in the morning, and men vote more than women in the evening - and bush polls better with men than women).
When I voted very early this morning it was all men. All businessmen. Maybe they weren't polled at that time, but they were out.
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Originally posted by grotty:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
those early numbers were tilted strongly toward women. . .so, all in all, it should lean back towards a tie as the evening wears on (traditionally, women vote more than men in the morning, and men vote more than women in the evening - and bush polls better with men than women).
When I voted very early this morning it was all men. All businessmen. Maybe they weren't polled at that time, but they were out. [/b]
i said traditionally. :)
as for your earlier post. . .the market went down based on the drudge numbers, which were used on wonkette and everywhere else. drudge has backed away from those numbers (predicatably) as being inaccurate and not trustworthy.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Yep, this would be excellent. So that you see how this thing is followed in Europe, I got a call during the Barcelona - Milan game from a friend telling me that he was in the stadium and asking me whether there were any results from the key states.
as an fyi to you barcelona. . polls on the east coast don't close until 7 or 8 pm, eastern time. that would include the states of new hampshire, and most of florida and pennsylvania. the next round won't close until after 9 pm eastern, and so forth through the western states. for most people's purpose though, the eastern and central time zones contain the important states (with new mexico being mountain, and nevada being pacific time zone). so, you're friend will have to stay up very late to get any solid information on the poll numbers.
those early numbers were tilted strongly toward women. . .so, all in all, it should lean back towards a tie as the evening wears on (traditionally, women vote more than men in the morning, and men vote more than women in the evening - and bush polls better with men than women). [/b]
I wasn't interpreting this as a final result. Many people I know in Spain are going to stay up all night following the election results. By the way, I just saw a CNN poll on the most important things in the election to Republican and Democratic voters. According to the poll, the first issue raised by Republicans was moral values. What a funny concept some Republicans have of moral values. This president has been anything but morally correct (obviously he has not been a uniter and a compassionate conservative either).
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Regarding predicting the election by Wall Street: a little-known Wall Street secret is that day traders -- the herds of panicky people who make the market move up and down on the slightest rumor -- are morons.
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this has kept me laughing through most of my walking....
Comedy Central Blog (http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/indecision2004/blog.jhtml)
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Calling a Kerry win:
http://zogby.com/ (http://zogby.com/)
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yikes... notice how they have Bush winning the popular vote (barely) but Kerry winning the electoral vote? In a way it would be sweet revenge for 2000, but I would hate to see Kerry win by such a sliver... the most criminally incompetent administration in American history deserves more of a repudiation than that.
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The first final vote is in:
Darin Erstad won the AL Gold Glove, becoming the first player in history to win a gold glove in the infield and the outfield. Keep 'em coming for smackie today!!!
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the line at sports books in Las Vegas has moved to 53% in Kerry's favor.
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kerry wining the electoral college and bush winning the popular vote would be vary entertaining.
we live in a republic so please stop saying democracy.
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Originally posted by flawd101:
kerry wining the electoral college and bush winning the popular vote would be vary entertaining.
we live in a republic so please stop saying democracy.
this is why you need to be 18 to vote! :)
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Who do you pick in the Good Weed (http://www.registerbee.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=DRB/MGArticle/DRB_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031778502018) fight?
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You hear your dad say that?
Originally posted by flawd101:
we live in a republic so please stop saying democracy.
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Wow, Bush is up pretty good right now. But the big states are still left.
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Florida, with 68% of the votes counted
Bush 53%
Kerry 47%
I really hope they have left the liberal counties for the end!
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Not like this is a newsflash or anything, but if JK doesn't win either Florida or Ohio he it'll be nearly impossible for him to win. He's behind in both states now.
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What a shame....LOL
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If Kerry gets Cali. then this thing is gonna go down to the wire.....The suspense is killing me.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
If Kerry gets Cali. then this thing is gonna go down to the wire.....The suspense is killing me.
but you didnt care enough to vote?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
The suspense is killing me.
What a shame....LOL
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
If Kerry gets Cali. then this thing is gonna go down to the wire.....The suspense is killing me.
but you didnt care enough to vote? [/b]
Cause I don't care who wins, how many times do I have to say it. I like them both almost equally the same. Isn't it past your bed time?
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Florida lost, Ohio doesn't look very good, time to go to bed and start the new day thinking about soccer.
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
The suspense is killing me.
What a shame....LOL [/b]
Very original. :p
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Florida lost, Ohio doesn't look very good, time to go to bed and start the new day thinking about soccer.
Most might think Florida won and Ohio looks very good. But go ahead and go to bed and start the new day thinking about fuuuutball.
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Looking at the Electoral Vote right now/states marked in red, all I can think is that our country is bleeding.
Right from the top down to the bottom, dripping into the Gulf Of Mexico (surely experiencing red tides soon).
Bleeding from the Heartland, how ironic indeed.
Very sad. :(
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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That's funny, 58,167,992 people would tend to disagree with you. The popular vote I should add.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Cause I don't care who wins, how many times do I have to say it. I like them both almost equally the same. Isn't it past your bed time?
you are obviously routing for GW. are you that dumb to not even no who you're for?
or do you pretend to be bipartisan until someone wins so you can cheer for them?
i know people like you. they amuse me. but as long as they're happy :roll:
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thought this was funny........
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13245095,00.html (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13245095,00.html)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Cause I don't care who wins, how many times do I have to say it. I like them both almost equally the same. Isn't it past your bed time?
you are obviously routing for GW. are you that dumb to not even no who you're for?
or do you pretend to be bipartisan until someone wins so you can cheer for them?
i know people like you. they amuse me. but as long as they're happy :D
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only 17% of registered voters 18-30 years old showed up yesterday...
how fucking embarrassing....
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are you kidding me? what were they all doing?
not wanting to stand in lines maybe.
well, I suppose we'll all (democrats) have to admit defeat.
So for the next four years, I will be looking to find whatever all these Republicans see in George that i dont.
I mean, really, some Republican, tell me how GW will make my life better....i can finger it out.
Its sad, and i am extremely unhappy, and partially unhopeful that anything will change. I do hope to remain in the States, however, one more job cut due to shitty economy and my ass is back north.....
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Originally posted by hitman:
only 17% of registered voters 18-30 years old showed up yesterday...
how fucking embarrassing....
They will get theirs - as they live the rest of their lives cleaning up Bush's mess & dealing with the repercussions of American hatred rippling through the world this morning.
When I was in London last week, I heard this more than once:
"Right now we are just blaming Bush. But, if he's re-elected, the blame will shift to the American people."
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Seriously, when have the Brits ever liked us?
Originally posted by grotty:
When I was in London last week, I heard this more than once:
"Right now we are just blaming Bush. But, if he's re-elected, the blame will shift to the American people."
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Originally posted by econo:
Seriously, when have the Brits ever liked us
Not everyone in England is British
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I'm not Republican, and I'm not going to tell you how your life will be better, but I'm smiling thanks to the 5+% pay increase my position received yesterday. I didn't do a damn thing to earn it. (Though I did earn the performance bonus I also recieved.)
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I mean, really, some Republican, tell me how GW will make my life better....i can finger it out.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm not Republican, and I'm not going to tell you how your life will be better, but I'm smiling thanks to the 5+% pay increase my position received yesterday. I didn't do a damn thing to earn it. (Though I did earn the performance bonus I also recieved.)
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I mean, really, some Republican, tell me how GW will make my life better....i can finger it out.
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and i am hoping the economy will turn around, I will earn more money, and some tax cuts would be nice. cause i guess Kerry wouldnt be stopping the war in Iraq anyway, esp not with a Rep house and senate...
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Originally posted by grotty:
"Right now we are just blaming Bush. But, if he's re-elected, the blame will shift to the American people." [/QB]
Who cares. I dont ever see those dumbass's. They can say whatever they want, it's not gonna hurt my feelings none.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
[/qb]
[/qb][/QUOTE]and i am hoping the economy will turn around, I will earn more money, and some tax cuts would be nice. cause i guess Kerry wouldnt be stopping the war in Iraq anyway, esp not with a Rep house and senate... [/QB][/QUOTE]
Yeah, unfortunetely even if Kerry is elected, tax cuts probably are not gonna happen. But I don't even think about taxes, I don't look at them on my pay stub, If I did, then I would be worrying about it everyday like everyone else.
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Originally posted by econo:
Seriously, when have the Brits ever liked us?
Originally posted by grotty:
When I was in London last week, I heard this more than once:
"Right now we are just blaming Bush. But, if he's re-elected, the blame will shift to the American people."
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What I can tell you is that 5 years ago most Europeans liked or at least respected a lot the US. Right now things have changed dramatically. More than 50% of Americans see Bush as a honest guy, almost no one in Europe can't believe it.
What Europeans can't understand is that a blowjob in the Oval Office is enough to impeach a president, however, a very probable set of lies over Irak (and the resulting 1000 US casualties and between 15,000 and 100,000 Iraki deaths) don't mean anything. This is just scary.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
it's not gonna hurt my feelings none.
well said you proud American!
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
What Europeans can't understand is that a blowjob in the Oval Office is enough to impeach a president[/QB]
What Europeans need to understand is that a blowjob in the Oval Office WASN'T enough to impeach a president.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by grotty:
"Right now we are just blaming Bush. But, if he's re-elected, the blame will shift to the American people." [/b]
Who cares. I dont ever see those dumbass's. They can say whatever they want, it's not gonna hurt my feelings none. [/QB]
Really? 2000+ Americans got an up close look at those dumbasses on Sept, 11 2001.
> 3000 American soldiers have "seen" those dumbasses since we've invaded Iraq.
And they've had a lot more than their feelings hurt.
You just proved one of my theories:
"It's apparent that there are 2 deeply divided types of people in the U.S.
At the risk of being offensive - I think you can describe the 2 groups broadly as
* people who think more largely
* people who think & act more selfishly"
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Originally posted by grotty:
[/QB]
Really? 2000+ Americans got an up close look at those dumbasses on Sept, 11 2001.
> 3000 American soldiers have "seen" those dumbasses since we've invaded Iraq.
And they've had a lot more than their feelings hurt.
You just proved one of my theories:
"It's apparent that there are 2 deeply divided types of people in the U.S.
At the risk of being offensive - I think you can describe the 2 groups broadly as
* people who think more largely
* people who think & act more selfishly" [/QB][/QUOTE]
We were talking about Brits. I didnt know the Brits did that to us on 9/11. Gee, where have I been?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by grotty:
We were talking about Brits. I didnt know the Brits did that to us on 9/11. Gee, where have I been? [/b]
No we weren't. I said "In England". Then I clearly said that "Britain is not only inhabited with English."
The comments that I mentioned came from individuals of many ethnic backgrounds, including Middle Easterners.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Gee, where have I been?
Yankees games and Marilyn Manson concerts apparently.
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Were the comments from those revelatory meaning of life bar chats that people have when they go abroad?
Originally posted by grotty:
The comments that I mentioned came from individuals of many ethnic backgrounds, including Middle Easterners.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Gee, where have I been?
Yankees games and Marilyn Manson concerts apparently. [/b]
Haven't been to either one......Yet.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA HA HA HAHAHAHAHA HA HA HAHAHA IT LOOKS LIKE THEY VO....THEY VOT....THEY VOTE....THEY VOT HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO....BRUUU HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHA....THEY VOTED THE FUCKER IN FOR ANOTHER FOUR....WOOOOOOAAAAAAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You wacky, wacky doodles!
Not only can we laugh at your dumb fuck pres, we can piss ourselves at the lot of you stupid morons now!
(bored members excepted because it looks like Kerry got 99% of the bored vote)
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Originally posted by hitman:
only 17% of registered voters 18-30 years old showed up yesterday...
how fucking embarrassing....
I think you've interpreted the numbers incorrectly. 18-30 year olds only acccounted for 17% of all voters. Identical to 2000.
I'd be curious to know what percentage of them actually showed up though. The Dems were banking on more. Guess The Boss and PJ didn't work hard enough....
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
are you kidding me? what were they all doing?
I saw that percentage as well. Pretty surprising. Maybe the out-of-state college kids out of state don't know about absentee forms.
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Originally posted by econo:
Were the comments from those revelatory meaning of life bar chats that people have when they go abroad?
Are you assessing importance & dictating relevance?
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
are you kidding me? what were they all doing?
I saw that percentage as well. Pretty surprising. Maybe the out-of-state college kids out of state don't know about absentee forms. [/b]
I believe you'll find they were all too busy waiting inline or online for the latest single syllable "it indie band" tickets.
Either that, or when Springboard did his thing they all decided Kerry wasn't hip enough after all.
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No, I'm just being a smart ass. Believe me, I'm just as upset and confused as you are that we've got another 4 years of W in the White House. However, I'm also sick of being labeled the ugly American because of other Americans decisions. So, comments like the one you posted from your trip to England tend to annoy me. Not you, just the people that say them.
Originally posted by grotty:
Are you assessing importance & dictating relevance?
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Originally posted by econo:
No, I'm just being a smart ass. Believe me, I'm just as upset and confused as you are that we've got another 4 years of W in the White House. However, I'm also sick of being labeled the ugly American because of other Americans decisions. So, comments like the one you posted from your trip to England tend to annoy me. Not you, just the people that say them.
You mean like these above?
"Not only can we laugh at your dumb fuck pres, we can piss ourselves at the lot of you stupid morons now!"
Mankie is kidding. In the wrong hands & heads though it's not so funny. Those thoughts become scary & dangerous.
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Actually, going by the results, 50%...okay 49% of Americans are rational intelligent people. It's the redneck/rich/stupid/sheep who give you all a bad name.
I felt so sorry for a woman who called into the Gerry Ryan show (radio) this morning. She's an American living in Ireland and was literally in tears because it looks like knobhead got in again. She said she was ashamed and embarrassed at what her country have done during his reign.
Most of the callers were Irish and thought it hilarious that he got in again, but Gerry reminded them that after the laughing is over, the reality of another 4 years of him is nothing to laugh at.
The rest of the world is laughing and pitying you now, and afraid of what he'll do next.
America has no respect in the world anymore, and that's the truth.
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I was quite proud of my Mother and Grandmother. Two lifelong Republicans born and raised in Ohio went for Kerry.
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Now looking into the future. Can we expect a more humble Bush Administration or are we going to face the same arrogance we have seen these first four years?
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What the hell do you expect? Now that he KNOWS people like him he'll become far more cocky.
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Now looking into the future. Can we expect a more humble Bush Administration or are we going to face the same arrogance we have seen these first four years?
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Originally posted by econo:
What the hell do you expect? Now that he KNOWS people like him he'll become far more cocky.
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Now looking into the future. Can we expect a more humble Bush Administration or are we going to face the same arrogance we have seen these first four years?
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Just hoping there is someone with common sense in the current or future administration.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Now looking into the future. Can we expect a more humble Bush Administration or are we going to face the same arrogance we have seen these first four years?
Worse. He was Re-Elected. He won the popular vote. It's like an endorsement that everything he's done is o.k.: "hey...they like me!"
I wish all American citizens would have a mark on their forehead this morning - red, blue, or green (non-voters.) It would help me tremendously as I move through life during the next 4 years.
After the next terrorist attack watch how difficult it is to find someone who voted for Napoleon
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11:11 AM - In a phone call to Bush, Kerry has just conceded the election.
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Originally posted by chaz:
In a phone call to Bush, Kerry has just conceded the election.
http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/WAV_files/movie_WAV_files/gameover.wav (http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/WAV_files/movie_WAV_files/gameover.wav)
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Is it too early to start drinking?
Well, on to 2006 when the next round of Congressional elections take place...
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Actually, going by the results, 50%...okay 49% of Americans are rational intelligent people. It's the redneck/rich/stupid/sheep who give you all a bad name.
I felt so sorry for a woman who called into the Gerry Ryan show (radio) this morning. She's an American living in Ireland and was literally in tears because it looks like knobhead got in again. She said she was ashamed and embarrassed at what her country have done during his reign.
Most of the callers were Irish and thought it hilarious that he got in again, but Gerry reminded them that after the laughing is over, the reality of another 4 years of him is nothing to laugh at.
The rest of the world is laughing and pitying you now, and afraid of what he'll do next.
America has no respect in the world anymore, and that's the truth.
What makes the situation even worse, is that unlike the past four years, Bush has nothing to lose; there is no re-election campaign to worry about. Which means he can be an over the top racist, sexist, gun-toting, my dick is bigger than your dick, the religous right is the only way mother fucker, and no one can really hold him accountable. Hell, he already was a pretty blatant example of all of those things already and we didn't hold him accountable. I am personally embarassed by the people in this country. I hope the shits hit the fan, farmers suffer, the stock market crashes, oil prizes rise to unseen levels. Fuck Bush and Fuck the millions of morons in this country who voted for him. No one ever said Kerry was gonna solve our problems, but at least he would stop us from going down the slippery slope to the People's Republic of Bush. You elected him America, I hope you are willing to hold yourself accountable for his actions.
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Originally posted by redsock:
You elected him America, I hope you are willing to hold yourself accountable for his actions.
has America ever held itself accountable for its, or its politicians actions?
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
The rest of the world is laughing and pitying you now, and afraid of what he'll do next.
Will Sweden send us a message of condolence, like they did last time?
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
The first final vote is in:
Darin Erstad won the AL Gold Glove, becoming the first player in history to win a gold glove in the infield and the outfield. Keep 'em coming for smackie today!!!
hey smackie
when are they announcing MVP's and Cy Youngs and what not? i cant find this info anywhere.
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As Sonick would say "Stop being so bitter". LOLOLOL
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AP: Bush Wins Race As Kerry Concedes
4 minutes ago Politics - AP
By CALVIN WOODWARD and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) won a second term from a divided and anxious nation, his promise of steady, strong wartime leadership trumping John Kerry (news - web sites)'s fresh-start approach to Iraq (news - web sites) and joblessness. After a long, tense night of vote counting, the Democrat called Bush Wednesday to concede Ohio and the presidency, The Associated Press learned.
Kerry ended his quest, concluding one of the most expensive and bitterly contested races on record, with a call to the president shortly after 11 a.m. EST, according to two officials familiar with the conversation.
The victory gave Bush four more years to pursue the war on terror and a conservative, tax-cutting agenda â?? and probably the opportunity to name one or more justices to an aging Supreme Court.
He also will preside over expanded Republican majorities in Congress.
"Congratulations, Mr. President," Kerry said in the conversation described by sources as lasting less than five minutes. One of the sources was Republican, the other a Democrat.
The Democratic source said Bush called Kerry a worthy, tough and honorable opponent. Kerry told Bush the country was too divided, the source said, and Bush agreed. "We really have to do something about it," Kerry said according to the Democratic official.
Kerry placed his call after weighing unattractive options overnight. With Bush holding fast to a six-figure lead in make-or-break Ohio, Kerry could give up or trigger a struggle that would have stirred memories of the bitter recount in Florida that propelled Bush to the White House in 2000.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I do hope to remain in the States, however, one more job cut due to shitty economy and my ass is back north.....
At least you have a choice, and can leave/work elsewhere if you choose to.
I know a lot of us today would like to be able to say that. :)
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by vansmack:
The first final vote is in:
Darin Erstad won the AL Gold Glove, becoming the first player in history to win a gold glove in the infield and the outfield. Keep 'em coming for smackie today!!!
hey smackie
when are they announcing MVP's and Cy Youngs and what not? i cant find this info anywhere. [/b]
At the beginning of the year I said Ramirez would be AL MVP and Schilling would be Cy Young. NL I had Bonds and Clemens. I'll probably be wrong with Schilling, Santana is gonna be hard to beat. Manny is gonna be a toss up also, that one should be the close race.
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Oh pipe down, drama queen.
I sure as hell am not going to wish economic collapse on America just because mainstream America is socially conservative and afraid of a fraction of Arabs who are raving loons, and neither should you.
Originally posted by redsock:
America has no respect in the world anymore, and that's the truth. [/b]
What makes the situation even worse, is that unlike the past four years, Bush has nothing to lose; there is no re-election campaign to worry about. Which means he can be an over the top racist, sexist, gun-toting, my dick is bigger than your dick, the religous right is the only way mother fucker, and no one can really hold him accountable. Hell, he already was a pretty blatant example of all of those things already and we didn't hold him accountable. I am personally embarassed by the people in this country. I hope the shits hit the fan, farmers suffer, the stock market crashes, oil prizes rise to unseen levels. Fuck Bush and Fuck the millions of morons in this country who voted for him. No one ever said Kerry was gonna solve our problems, but at least he would stop us from going down the slippery slope to the People's Republic of Bush. You elected him America, I hope you are willing to hold yourself accountable for his actions. [/QB]
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Originally posted by Medusa:
At least you have a choice, and can leave/work elsewhere if you choose to.
I know a lot of us today would like to be able to say that. :)
Cheers
DJ Medusa. [/b]
If worse came to worse I would just move up to Maine with my girl, bring two nice savings accounts with us and live with lower cost of living prices.
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Originally posted by redsock:
I hope the shits hit the fan, farmers suffer, the stock market crashes, oil prizes rise to unseen levels. [/QB]
Please tell me you don't mean that. If you can't find a job now, your sure never gonna find one if that happens.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
AP: Bush Wins Race As Kerry Concedes
I just don't understand this.
Why doesn't Kerry wait?
What about all of those provisional and absentee ballots yet to be counted in Ohio?
And these senators (surprise! Republicans), quoted in The Washington Post, need a reality check: "Ohio's Republican senators, George V. Voinovich and Mike DeWine, issued a statement calling on Kerry to concede the state, arguing that he could not make up his deficit with the provisional ballots. 'Senator Kerry should concede defeat and spare the country the turmoil of another drawn-out election,' the statement said."
Kerry should "spare the country the turmoil of another drawn-out election"? PLEASE!
What about the rest of us that want to be spared another 4 years of G.W. Bush?
Not to mention that there is *no* harm in waiting until EVERYTHING has been counted.
The only things that make me feel better about things today are:
1. (Also from The Post): "Roughly 120 million people, 60 percent of eligible voters, cast ballots in the election, the Associated Press reported, the highest turnout since 1968" and
2. Proud that I am part of the overwhelming 90% here in our capital that voted against Bush. We don't want him here (he's never here anyway).
I feel like going down to The White House with signs (not that it would do anything, except perhaps make me feel a tad better).
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Somebody told me Kerry would need almost 100% of the absentee ballots or whatever ballots are still out there to have a chance at winning Ohio. So he saw the writing on the wall.....He lost.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Somebody told me Kerry would need almost 100% of the absentee ballots or whatever ballots are still out there to have a chance at winning Ohio. So he saw the writing on the wall.....He lost.
i guess he should trade in that Red Sox hat in for a Yankees one, eh?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Somebody told me Kerry would need almost 100% of the absentee ballots or whatever ballots are still out there to have a chance at winning Ohio. So he saw the writing on the wall.....He lost.
yeah, OH sec. of state says that at the most there's like 175,000 ballots left, and that includes absentee ballots and military. bush has like a 136,000 vote lead in ohio right now. it's highly unlikely that those remaining ballots would tilt so far into kerry's direction to allow him to carry ohio.
so, with ohio and nevada red, bush has 274, with iowa and new mexico left still (both have bush winning right now).
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Oh pipe down, drama queen.
I sure as hell am not going to wish economic collapse on America just because mainstream America is socially conservative and afraid of a fraction of Arabs who are raving loons, and neither should you.
Drama queen? My mom died last year due to shitty hospital care, only after struggling to pay for prescription drugs for two year. My brother is fighting in Iraq. I've been trying to snag a new job in this really awesome economy for 5 months! Did Bush directly cause all of those problems? Not exactly. Could he have altered things? Yes. He has indirectly caused a lot of hardship in my family's lives, and I don't see any of that changing. I want the rest of the country to get to experience the negative impact of the Bush presidency. Maybe then they will recognize the consequences of their actions.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Somebody told me Kerry would need almost 100% of the absentee ballots or whatever ballots are still out there to have a chance at winning Ohio. So he saw the writing on the wall.....He lost.
i guess he should trade in that Red Sox hat in for a Yankees one, eh? [/b]
I know you don't mean that. ;)
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Originally posted by redsock:
He has indirectly caused a lot of hardship in my family's lives, and I don't see any of that changing.
dude, dont even bother. Republicans with nice jobs and happy lives expect that everyone else should be able to attain the same goals and make the same happy lives as them.
trust me i have tried.
I tried explaining the bad economy to my friend who is in college paid for by his dad who also pays him a hefty salary to work at his optometry office. Economy seems fine to him!
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I have never voted for a Republican.
Yet, ironically, my life has very much improved with Republicans in office.
I found it difficult to find employment during the Clinton years (I had to move to North Carolina to find a full time teaching job), though I finally landed my current job during the second Clinton administration. I've seen my salary increase by 80% in 7 years, and much of it during the Bush administration.
Yes, the unemploment rate has increased a bit during Bush's tenure. But not here in DC. The DC economy is quite strong. Blaming your lack of a job on the Bush administration seems like bullshit to me. When I couldn't find a job for two years, I certainly didn't blame it on the President. Get more training/education, be willing to move across the country for a job, or accept something less than desirable and work your way up.
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I know when this contract runs out for me, I'll be looking for a new job. I surely won't look for one that pays me what I get now, I'd be looking for years. I'll just take whatever job I get offered and work with it......Not blame it on the President. Even If I have to work at 7-11, at least it's a job. That's why I save money, for times like that.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
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[/qb]
and i am hoping the economy will turn around, I will earn more money, and some tax cuts would be nice. cause i guess Kerry wouldnt be stopping the war in Iraq anyway, esp not with a Rep house and senate... [/QB][/QUOTE]
Yeah, unfortunetely even if Kerry is elected, tax cuts probably are not gonna happen. But I don't even think about taxes, I don't look at them on my pay stub, If I did, then I would be worrying about it everyday like everyone else. [/QB][/QUOTE]
More tax cuts are not needed...
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by econo:
Seriously, when have the Brits ever liked us?
Originally posted by grotty:
When I was in London last week, I heard this more than once:
"Right now we are just blaming Bush. But, if he's re-elected, the blame will shift to the American people."
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What I can tell you is that 5 years ago most Europeans liked or at least respected a lot the US. Right now things have changed dramatically. More than 50% of Americans see Bush as a honest guy, almost no one in Europe can't believe it.
What Europeans can't understand is that a blowjob in the Oval Office is enough to impeach a president, however, a very probable set of lies over Irak (and the resulting 1000 US casualties and between 15,000 and 100,000 Iraki deaths) don't mean anything. This is just scary. [/b]
Agreed...
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Originally posted by hitman:
More tax cuts are not needed... [/QB]
Exactly.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I have never voted for a Republican.
Yet, ironically, my life has very much improved with Republicans in office.
I found it difficult to find employment during the Clinton years (I had to move to North Carolina to find a full time teaching job), though I finally landed my current job during the second Clinton administration. I've seen my salary increase by 80% in 7 years, and much of it during the Bush administration.
Yes, the unemploment rate has increased a bit during Bush's tenure. But not here in DC. The DC economy is quite strong. Blaming your lack of a job on the Bush administration seems like bullshit to me. When I couldn't find a job for two years, I certainly didn't blame it on the President. Get more training/education, be willing to move across the country for a job, or accept something less than desirable and work your way up.
I'm not blaming my lack of a new job on Bush, i'm just saying that if the economy was better in general, and it has slumped during his administration for whatever reasons, it would make thigns easier. Believe me i'm not trying to pass the buck. My other examples are far more related directly to Bush.
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And your brother who is fighting in Iraq....he didn't get drafted did he?
Surely anybody who voluntarily signs up for the military/national guard does so knowing that he/she may end up fighting in a war, right?
My sympathies regarding your mother, and my positive vibes for the safely of your brother...
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
What Europeans can't understand is that a blowjob in the Oval Office is enough to impeach a president[/b]
What Europeans need to understand is that a blowjob in the Oval Office WASN'T enough to impeach a president. [/QB]
He was impeached for lying under oath about it...The same thing any other man in that position would have done, right or wrong. But lying about WMD's and going to war over it, hasn't cost anyone their jobs. Go figure.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by hitman:
only 17% of registered voters 18-30 years old showed up yesterday...
how fucking embarrassing....
I think you've interpreted the numbers incorrectly. 18-30 year olds only acccounted for 17% of all voters. Identical to 2000.
I'd be curious to know what percentage of them actually showed up though. The Dems were banking on more. Guess The Boss and PJ didn't work hard enough.... [/b]
I could've interpreted it wrong, but that is the way it was presented on the Today show this morning.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Now looking into the future. Can we expect a more humble Bush Administration or are we going to face the same arrogance we have seen these first four years?
you're kidding right ?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
And your brother who is fighting in Iraq....he didn't get drafted did he?
Surely anybody who voluntarily signs up for the military/national guard does so knowing that he/she may end up fighting in a war, right?
My sympathies regarding your mother, and my positive vibes for the safely of your brother...
Last time I checked, the Alabama National Guard was promoting one weekend a month, two weeks a year. You are right that the possibility always exists, but sending National Guard troops ahead of folks who actually signed on for this sort of thing is something I will never understand. We won't go into the extentions on length of service they are given for whatever reason.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I know when this contract runs out for me, I'll be looking for a new job. I surely won't look for one that pays me what I get now, I'd be looking for years. I'll just take whatever job I get offered and work with it......Not blame it on the President. Even If I have to work at 7-11, at least it's a job. That's why I save money, for times like that.
my point proven exactly.
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Originally posted by hitman:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Now looking into the future. Can we expect a more humble Bush Administration or are we going to face the same arrogance we have seen these first four years?
you're kidding right ? [/b]
Just hoping, maybe they realize how divided the US and the world are becoming. Even though they have a 3 million vote advantage on the popular vote, I hope they will realize that the country is more divided than in 2000.
As for Rob Gee's comment on the impeachment, I decided a long time ago not to respond to his posts, a waste of time.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
As for Rob Gee's comment on the impeachment, I decided a long time ago not to respond to his posts, a waste of time.
correct.
for the most part.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Is it too early to start drinking?
Nope. Here's to my liver surviving 4 more years.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
As for Rob Gee's comment on the impeachment, I decided a long time ago not to respond to his posts, a waste of time. [/QB]
You hurt my feelings. :roll:
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
As for Rob Gee's comment on the impeachment, I decided a long time ago not to respond to his posts, a waste of time.
correct.
for the most part. [/b]
I thought you 2 were pals after Curiosa. What'd I miss?
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He did say "for the most part", so deep down inside, we might still be "pals". :)
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
He did say "for the most part", so deep down inside, we might still be "pals". :)
yes, Rob is an American republican yankee fan, but we all have our faults. :)
i still long the day i see him again....
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
He did say "for the most part", so deep down inside, we might still be "pals". :)
yes, Rob is an American republican yankee fan, but we all have our faults. :)
i still long the day i see him again.... [/b]
I thought "arrogant" always came before republican. ;)
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
He did say "for the most part", so deep down inside, we might still be "pals". :)
yes, Rob is an American republican yankee fan, but we all have our faults. :)
i still long the day i see him again.... [/b]
I thought "arrogant" always came before republican. ;) [/b]
I was actually thinking of a word very similar looking to arrogant.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Yet, ironically, my life has very much improved with Republicans in office....
Not all people measure the quality of their lives on the amount of money they make.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Not all people measure the quality of their lives on the amount of money they make. [/QB]
But instead by the number of concerts they go to in a year.
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Then why did you become a useless lawyer, and not a social worker or teacher?
I also met my true love during the Bush administration, went to my first NASCAR races, and saw my childhood team the Red Sox win the world series. Though the first is the most important, of course.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Yet, ironically, my life has very much improved with Republicans in office....
Not all people measure the quality of their lives on the amount of money they make. [/b]
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I can't wait to hear what Osama Bin Butthead has to say on his scary lil video tape he sends about the Bush victory.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Then why did you become a useless lawyer, and not a social worker or teacher?
Your ignorance knows no boundaries.
I've used my law degree the last three months in 3 different states and on 7 different phone banks to ensure that minorities are given the same rights as white folks to vote, to stop the intimidation, and to ensure a fair election. Just this morning I was told not to go to Ohio to assist with the provisional ballots. And yes, I did all of this for free.
I've spent the last year using my law degree to raise over $7 Million for higher education. All the while I teach two classes, one on political science and one on the law.
Before that I spent 5 years using my law degree to create non-profit sectors in developing countries to take the burden off of burgeoning governments and allow EU, government, and charitable money to help build strong nations.
I became a lawyer to ensure civil rights for all, defend those that can't defend themselves, and to create strong civil societies. I may not make a lot of money, but I get to go home feeling good about myself and what I do, and from that I have a great quality of life, even if I struggle financially sometimes.
Even as a "useless" lawyer, I am a social worker and a teacher.
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Sounds like you own quality of life has improved under the Bush Administration, as well.
I mean, in terms of advancing your career, and making a difference. Not in terms of finances, of course.
Sorry for being snotty, just being snotty toward your own snotty uncalled for statement.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Then why did you become a useless lawyer, and not a social worker or teacher?
Your ignorance knows no boundaries.
I've used my law degree the last three months in 3 different states and on 7 different phone banks to ensure that minorities are given the same rights as white folks to vote, to stop the intimidation, and to ensure a fair election. Just this morning I was told not to go to Ohio to assist with the provisional ballots. And yes, I did all of this for free.
I've spent the last year using my law degree to raise over $7 Million for higher education. All the while I teach two classes, one on political science and one on the law.
Before that I spent 5 years using my law degree to create non-profit sectors in developing countries to take the burden off of burgeoning governments and allow EU, government, and charitable money to help build strong nations.
I became a lawyer to ensure civil rights for all, defend those that can't defend themselves, and to create strong civil societies. I may not make a lot of money, but I get to go home feeling good about myself and what I do, and from that I have a great quality of life, even if I struggle financially sometimes.
Even as a "useless" lawyer, I am a social worker and a teacher. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB]
I also met my true love during the Bush administration, went to my first NASCAR races, and saw my childhood team the Red Sox win the world series. Though the first is the most important, of course.
Originally posted by vansmack:
[qb]
Didn't you meet your wife through a CityPaper ad??
The CityPaper has nothing to do with the Bush administration...it was just the right ad at the right time...
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sounds like you own quality of life has improved under the Bush Administration, as well.
I mean, in terms of advancing your career, and making a difference. Not in terms of finances, of course.
Sorry for being snotty, just being snotty toward your own uncalled for statement.
It's not about me Rhett, and that's the difference between you and me.
I am cetainly not happy Bush is in office because he gives me more opportunities to do good deeds by his poor decisions, and only you would think so. There will always be places to do good deeds, regardless of who is in power.
I feel badly for the gays who's lives are being trivialized, the minorities who are being persecuted, those without health care who are being ignored, the citizens who's rights are being taken away by this campaign of fear, and for the rest of the world who have no idea what to make of US foreign policy these days.
But hey, you got that 5% increase in your pay, which you used as your measure on the board as to the "irony" of the Republican regime and why it might not be so bad. But at what cost to others I ask you?
My comment to you was not uncalled for - many people went to the polls yesterday and voted for Bush saying "hey, he put $300 in my hands, how can I not vote for the guy?" To them I would have said the same thing I said to you and asked the same question - at what cost to others?
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Originally posted by Fico:
it was just the right ad at the right time... [/QB]
Or the wrong ad at the wrong time...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sounds like you own quality of life has improved under the Bush Administration, as well.
I mean, in terms of advancing your career, and making a difference. Not in terms of finances, of course.
Sorry for being snotty, just being snotty toward your own uncalled for statement.
It's not about me Rhett, and that's the difference between you and me.
I am cetainly not happy Bush is in office because he gives me more opportunities to do good deeds by his poor decisions, and only you would think so. There will always be places to do good deeds, regardless of who is in power.
I feel badly for the gays who's lives are being trivialized, the minorities who are being persecuted, those without health care who are being ignored, the citizens who's rights are being taken away by this campaign of fear, and for the rest of the world who have no idea what to make of US foreign policy these days.
But hey, you got that 5% increase in your pay, which you used as your measure on the board as to the "irony" of the Republican regime and why it might not be so bad. But at what cost to others I ask you?
My comment to you was not uncalled for - many people went to the polls yesterday and voted for Bush saying "hey, he put $300 in my hands, how can I not vote for the guy?" To them I would have said the same thing I said to you and asked the same question - at what cost to others? [/b]
What cost to others:
In Irak: estimates of up to 100k (what's the tally for it to be considered a genocide btw?)
In America: 1k+ servicemen, plus amputees, suicides, emotional injuries, etc etc etc...
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Which was my point. I think Redsocks inability to find a job in DC for five months has more to do with a combination of his qualifications (or lack thereof) and bad luck than it does the Bush Administration.
Employment for me in my 20's was tough. It was tough to both find and keep a job, and I struggled financially. I think that had to do more with me, and with the fact that I was an underqualified 20something than it did the Administration that was in power.
I mean, goshgolly, the last time I checked, Redsock was an American born, white, heterosexual male. He should be thriving, if not now, well in the next four years.
Originally posted by Fico:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB]
I also met my true love during the Bush administration, went to my first NASCAR races, and saw my childhood team the Red Sox win the world series. Though the first is the most important, of course.
Originally posted by vansmack:
[qb]
Didn't you meet your wife through a CityPaper ad??
The CityPaper has nothing to do with the Bush administration...it was just the right ad at the right time... [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Get more training/education, be willing to move across the country for a job, or accept something less than desirable and work your way up.
So you can insult them and call them useless?
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And most of them were probably proud to give up their lives, arms, and legs in service for their country, and could probably care less about getting pity from pussies like you.
I'm not saying that's the way I feel, I'm probably more on the pussy side with you...but the fact remains that most service people are on the side of war....so why feel sorry for them?
Originally posted by Fico:
In America: 1k+ servicemen, plus amputees, suicides, emotional injuries, etc etc etc...
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What does it matter??? With no arms and legs now they're just useless.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
And most of them were probably proud to give up their lives, arms, and legs in service for their country, and could probably care less about getting pity from pussies like you.
I'm not saying that's the way I feel, I'm probably more on the pussy side with you...but the fact remains that most service people are on the side of war....so why feel sorry for them?
Originally posted by Fico:
In America: 1k+ servicemen, plus amputees, suicides, emotional injuries, etc etc etc...
[/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
And most of them were probably proud to give up their lives, arms, and legs in service for their country, and could probably care less about getting pity from pussies like you.
I'm not saying that's the way I feel, I'm probably more on the pussy side with you...but the fact remains that most service people are on the side of war....so why feel sorry for them?
Originally posted by Fico:
In America: 1k+ servicemen, plus amputees, suicides, emotional injuries, etc etc etc...
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Why feel sorry for them??
how about because they had to leave their loved ones behind for a war that is unjustified, ill-planned and costing thousand upon thousand of innocent lives...at the end of the day I doubt they're getting a good night's sleep... and it's sad...Afghanistan, justifiable...Irak..well we all agree on that I think..
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Well most of THEM don't think it's unjustified. Otherwise, why would two thirds of military spouses (probably even higher among military themselves) voted for Bush?
That's OUR opinion. If they think it's justified, and they lose an arm or two in the process, I'm sure they don't want us pussy liberals feeling sorry for them.
Originally posted by Fico:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
And most of them were probably proud to give up their lives, arms, and legs in service for their country, and could probably care less about getting pity from pussies like you.
I'm not saying that's the way I feel, I'm probably more on the pussy side with you...but the fact remains that most service people are on the side of war....so why feel sorry for them?
Originally posted by Fico:
In America: 1k+ servicemen, plus amputees, suicides, emotional injuries, etc etc etc...
[/b]
Why feel sorry for them??
how about because they had to leave their loved ones behind for a war that is unjustified, ill-planned and costing thousand upon thousand of innocent lives...at the end of the day I doubt they're getting a good night's sleep... and it's sad...Afghanistan, justifiable...Irak..well we all agree on that I think.. [/b]
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This article is interesting. It also gives me a bit more hope.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/election.world.reaction/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/election.world.reaction/index.html)
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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<img src="http://www.theonion.com/election2004/images/national_outlook_map6.gif" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
<img src="http://www.theonion.com/election2004/images/national_outlook_map6.gif" alt=" - " />
I always thought they should get rid of most of those middle states anyway.
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Originally posted by Medusa:
This article is interesting. It also gives me a bit more hope.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/election.world.reaction/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/election.world.reaction/index.html)
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
I read that this morning, I agree with you Medusa. A bit of hope is better than no hope at all. :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Random Citizen:
<img src="http://www.theonion.com/election2004/images/national_outlook_map6.gif" alt=" - " />
I always thought they should get rid of most of those middle states anyway. [/b]
And give Alaska back to Russia?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
And most of them were probably proud to give up their lives, arms, and legs in service for their country, and could probably care less about getting pity from pussies like you.
I'm not saying that's the way I feel, I'm probably more on the pussy side with you...but the fact remains that most service people are on the side of war....so why feel sorry for them?
Originally posted by Fico:
In America: 1k+ servicemen, plus amputees, suicides, emotional injuries, etc etc etc...
[/b]
Just because you choose to be in the military doesn't necessarily mean you favor war. It's more about defending the country. Hence the question is, how is the war in Iraq defending the country, when there is no proof of WMD's or of the link between them and 9/11and or Al Qaeda?
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Ask the boys and girls in the military, not me.
I bet most of them are still in favor of being there, and in favor of Bush.
Originally posted by hitman:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
And most of them were probably proud to give up their lives, arms, and legs in service for their country, and could probably care less about getting pity from pussies like you.
I'm not saying that's the way I feel, I'm probably more on the pussy side with you...but the fact remains that most service people are on the side of war....so why feel sorry for them?
Originally posted by Fico:
In America: 1k+ servicemen, plus amputees, suicides, emotional injuries, etc etc etc...
[/b]
Just because you choose to be in the military doesn't necessarily mean you favor war. It's more about defending the country. Hence the question is, how is the war in Iraq defending the country, when there is no proof of WMD's or of the link between them and 9/11and or Al Qaeda? [/b]
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no matter what the stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Ask the boys and girls in the military, not me.
I bet most of them are still in favor of being there, and in favor of Bush.
[/QB][/QUOTE]
You are exactly right, the military usually favors the decision of the President. When I was serving, I felt honored to be in the middle east and felt it was my duty to be over there. Period.
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Mary J.Bilge
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
And give Alaska back to Russia?
with all that oil? i dont think so. sell it to Canada. We'll give you our 6 NHL teams for it!
:)
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I felt honored to be in the middle east and felt it was my duty to be over there. Period.
why did you feel this way? seriously...don't you feel at all used by rich, old men? I don't mean any disrespect...
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Originally posted by hitman:
no matter what the stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me.
Some.
The stupidity of some American People never ceases to amaze you.
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There's a statement 100% of Americans can agree on.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by hitman:
no matter what the stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me.
Some.
The stupidity of some American People never ceases to amaze you. [/b]
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I don't know. Stupidity is a rather strong word, don't you think? Shouldn't it be values?
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That, too. I'm sure that 100% of Americans are amazed by the values of other Americans.
Thankfully, we don't live in a country where everyone's values are uniform.
Originally posted by econo:
I don't know. Stupidity is a rather strong word, don't you think? Shouldn't it be values?
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I felt honored to be in the middle east and felt it was my duty to be over there. Period.
why did you feel this way? seriously...don't you feel at all used by rich, old men? I don't mean any disrespect... [/b]
I didnt think of it as being used by rich, old men? My parents and bro voted for Bush and are not rich. I just considered it doing my part for my country and all my military buddies were over there, and I was there with them. I joined knowing that I could go to war, so crying about it when I went over didnt really seem like a good idea. I can't stand hearing, "well the military has a great college plan, that's why I joined". So that sound like, "It's not what I can do for the military but what the military can do for me". To me, you have to earn what the military gives you for your after military life.
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i can vote in 2 years!!!
did MTV get their 20 million 18-30?
well to refer to page 3...
i was doing my ap us history project about the gov/constitution so thats all that was on my mind
republicans are smart, they know most black people wont vote because they are either in jail or felons....
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I didnt think of it as being used by rich, old men. My parents and bro voted for Bush and are not rich. I just considered it doing my part for my country and all my military buddies were over there, and I was there with them. I joined knowing that I could go to war, so crying about it when I went over didnt really seem like a good idea. I can't stand hearing, "well the military has a great college plan, that's why I joined". So that sound like, "It's not what I can do for the military but what the military can do for me". To me, you have to earn what the military gives you for your after military life.
well, that is really something...I cannot imagine being able to relate to those feelings...but they are very admirable
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Originally posted by flawd101:
i can vote in 2 years!!!
republicans are smart, they know most black people wont vote because they are either in jail or felons....
Seven states have laws preventing felons from voting. Virginia is one of them, DC is not. Not sure about Maryland.
I'm some states, prison inmates can actually vote from prison.
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Originally posted by chaz:
I'm some states, prison inmates can actually vote from prison. [/QB]
Wow, I did not know that. Interesting.
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So I guess the bottom line is that the Democrats lost in 2000 because of Nader, and lost in 2004 because the American people are stupid?
Do I have it correct?
Note to Democrats in 2008: Pick a Southern candidate. And not Al Gore or Hillary Clinton.
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No, in 2000 he won because of stupidity too. Nader voters are stupid in their own way, too, for not getting that voting for him gets them the polar opposite of what they want.
(http://idisk.mac.com/glwebb-public/new_map.jpg )
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Originally posted by chaz:
I'm some states, prison inmates can actually vote from prison.
since when?
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Why don't Democrat's admit their shortcomings. Pussies have to blame their losses on others instead of themselves.
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
No, in 2000 he won because of stupidity too. Nader voters are stupid in their own way, too, for not getting that voting for him gets them the polar opposite of what they want.
(http://idisk.mac.com/glwebb-public/new_map.jpg )
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
No, in 2000 he won because of stupidity too. Nader voters are stupid in their own way, too, for not getting that voting for him gets them the polar opposite of what they want.
Nader voters in battleground states maybe.
But even that isnt as stupid as thinking anybody who thinks differently from you is wrong.
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Originally posted by pollard:
But even that isnt as stupid as thinking anybody who thinks differently from you is wrong. [/QB]
BINGO
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
No, in 2000 he won because of stupidity too. Nader voters are stupid in their own way, too, for not getting that voting for him gets them the polar opposite of what they want.
Nader voters in battleground states maybe.
But even that isnt as American as thinking anybody who thinks differently from you is wrong. [/b]
BINGO
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There are stupid people all over the world, the fact in the US is that this country is a very conservative one on social issues and a group of far-right people have taken advantage of it to undertake a crazy (to say the least) foreign policy. What Democrats need to do now is try to get part of those social conservatives in their party. How are they going to do it? No idea.
As for criticizing Nader for the loss of the 2000 election, you can blame it on him in some key states or at least in Florida, but the guy has the right to do it and you can't criticize the arguments that made him run for president, he sees Republicans and Democrats as very similar and I can't criticize that belief. Rather than blaming Nader, Democrats should have looked at the possible mistakes they did in that election.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
As for criticizing Nader for the loss of the 2000 election, you can blame it on him in some key states or at least in Florida, but the guy has the right to do it and you can't criticize the arguments that made him run for president, he sees Republicans and Democrats as very similar and I can't criticize that belief. Rather than blaming Nader, Democrats should have looked at the possible mistakes they did in that election.
exactly
Democrats also need to find a message other than, "We're not them."
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why don't Democrat's admit their shortcomings.
I think most of your prominent Democrats have. I think Kerry did too by not demanding recounts, lawsuits, etc. There are many Deomcrats who last night and today said that the Party is in real trouble right now due to lack of a common vision and serious downfalls in the red states.
The Party currently has no voice in the midwest and the south and was beaten badly in the swing states on the Same-Sex Marraige issue. They also lost badly on the three G's - God, Guns and Gays - which they have since the founding of the nation (obvioulsy I'm not saying that the gay issue has been around that long, but right now gays is the current puritanical hot button issue). Areas that were once deomcratic strongholds based on a platform of Health Care, Social Security and other domestic agenda issues have now gone to the Republicans based on the three G issues. Kudos to Karl Rove and, to a lesser degree, Newt Gingrich for taking this voting block from the Dems.
Where the Democrats have always fallen short is in voter turnout, and I think what bothers most democrats today is that the notion that if there was huge voter turnout, there was no way the Dem's could lose. This notion has been shot now with 112-115 Millions voters coming out, and the Dems still losing. Everybody knew that the Republican stronghold would come out, but most are surprised that Bush's stronghold was 8 Million more than 2000, and I for one was shocked to see it. If you would have asked me on Monday if 115 Million voters was enough for a big enough Democratic turnout to win, I would have taken it without blinking.
As far as calling folks stupid, that's just the bitterness of losing a long, hard fought battle. I'm angry and depressed today. I can't fathom how this election was lost on four issues I see clearly in the Dems favor: Iraq, terror, gays and Bush's moral values. The Republicans drove the agenda and Kerry did little but succomb to their agenda. Thirsty's right, it's values, but it makes me feel much better to call them stupid today. I don't believe it, I don't think it, but I feel better saying it.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Note to Democrats in 2008: Pick a Southern candidate. And not Al Gore or Hillary Clinton.
How about this (and mind you, this kept me up all night)? What if Kerry had picked Gephardt instead of Edwards?
Edwards did little for your electoral college, the party had already let you down in the South, but with Gephardt, you likely gain the 11 EC votes in Missouri, where he is beloved.
Now with Wisconsin going to Kerry, take away Bush's 11 votes from Missouri and give them to Kerry, giving Bush 268 and Kerry 263. That leaves us waiting on Iowa to count their absentees where the difference in votes is about 13,000. I'm not saying the outcome would have been different, but strides in the midwest would have been just as important as the potential for strides in the south with Edwards, who didn't get you Florida.
Anyhow, as for 2008 - name one good southern democratic candidate? And that's not me disagreeing with you, I just don't know of one, other then Edwards, and I'm not sure how much weight he carries in the south any longer.
The Dems have much to do before 2008. Hillary cannot win.
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Since I don't know when. Each state has it's own laws stating who can and can't vote. I don't know them all by heart, but in some states even incarcerated felons can vote.
Originally posted by palahniukkubrick:
Originally posted by chaz:
I'm some states, prison inmates can actually vote from prison.
since when? [/b]
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Edwards did little for your electoral college, the party had already let you down in the South, but with Gephardt, you likely gain the 11 EC votes in Missouri, where he is beloved.
Gephardt is not beloved, he is from the blue collar part of st. louis, which means he is not liked by the wealthy parts of st. louis and he is from st. louis, so he is not liked by the rest of missouri
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Originally posted by chaz:
I think you've interpreted the numbers incorrectly. 18-30 year olds only acccounted for 17% of all voters. Identical to 2000.
The actual number of young voters was up, given that overall voter turnout was higher:
17.85 Million voters aged 18-29 in 2000.
20.4 Million voters aged 18-29 in 2004 (this is roughly half of all eligible 18-29 year old voters, I don't have the percentages of registered voters however).
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Originally posted by pollard:
Gephardt is not beloved,
Beloved might be strong, but it was mentioned on at least three channels last night and has been written about:
The New Republic's Gregg Easterbrook second-guesses the biggest decision of Kerry's campaign:
(https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i=express&s=easterbrook110104)
"When I look at the electoral map, my eyes are drawn not to Florida or Ohio but Missouri. And that makes me wonder if Kerry made the right decision by choosing John Edwards as his running mate.
"Yours truly is a big fan of Edwards as a person and as a future leader. Like Bill Clinton, Edwards has the gift--he's a rare talent. What Edwards does not have, and was never likely to have, is the ability to deliver North Carolina's 15 electoral votes. Polls show George W. Bush leading in North Carolina by ten points. That Edwards may not be able to bring his own state's vote to the Democratic ticket is no criticism of him, nor does it mean he can't win national office himself. It just means North Carolina has lately been voting Republican in presidential contests--in 2000, Bush carried the state by 13 points--and Edwards was never likely to be able to change that.
"Contrast this to Missouri, where Dick Gephardt is beloved as a favorite son. Bush is leading by a small margin in Missouri; in 2000, he carried the state by three points. The Show Me State has many times demonstrated its love of Gephardt--had he been Kerry's running mate, he might well have been able to deliver Missouri and its eleven delegates. Yours truly is also a fan of Gephardt, who might have brought to Kerry's candidacy not only Missouri's votes but moderate populism, labor ties, bipartisan credentials for his help to Bush in the days after September 11, and none of the negatives associated with Edwards's trial-lawyer calling. If Kerry loses by a margin smaller than Missouri's eleven electoral votes, his choice of Edwards over Gephardt may come to be seen as a historic blunder."
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Originally posted by chaz:
Each state has it's own laws stating who can and can't vote. I don't know them all by heart, but in some states even incarcerated felons can vote.
Permitted to vote while incarcerated:
ME, VT
Voting restored after release from incarceration:
HI, IL, IN, MA, MI, MT, NH, ND, OH, OR, PA, SD, UT
Voting restored after release from incarceration and completion of parole (probationers may vote):
CA, CO, CT, NY
Voting restored after completion of sentence, including parole and probation:
AK, AR, GA, ID, KS, LA, MN, MO, NJ, NM, NC, OK, RI, SC, TX, WV, WI
Voting restored after completion of sentence for first felony, permanently disfranchised for at least some second felonies:
AZ, MD
Voting restored for certain ex-offenders convicted of felonies, others permanently disfranchised:
AL, DE, NV, WY
Voting restored after completion of sentence, except those convicted of felonies before a certain date who are permanently disfranchised:
TN (pre-1986 disenfranchised), WA (pre-1984 disenfranchised)
All convicted of felonies permanently disfranchised:
FL, IA, KY, MS, NE, VA
(I just had training on all of this)
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From John Kerry's concession speech:
"It was a privilege and a gift to spend two years traveling this country, coming to know so many of you. I wish I could just wrap you in my arms and embrace each and every one of you individually all across this nation."
This, to me, shows the difference in the 2 candidates, and why Kerry (to me) is much more sincere, human and down-to-earth.
I can never imagine smug President Bush saying the same things, nor saying (as Kerry did at the beginning of his speech today) "I love you" to the crowd, blowing a kiss and nearly breaking down in his speech.
It makes Kerry's loss all the more poignant and sad.
Oh well.
Time to make the best of things now.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Personally I wouldnt want my leader telling me he loved us and wanting to wrap us up in his arms.....Thats probably what he woulda told Osama Bin Laden as they drank milk together and to Sadaam as he sets him free to go back home to Iraq.
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I dont give a crap about hugs, but I would not read much in to it.
<img src="http://www.washingtondispatch.com/artman/uploads/faulkner_001.jpg" alt=" - " />
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/faulkner.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/faulkner.asp)
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Originally posted by Medusa:
This, to me, shows the difference in the 2 candidates, and why Kerry (to me) is much more sincere, human and down-to-earth.
And 51% of the American voters still buy the joke of the "compassionate conservative" thing. It's incredible.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
What Democrats need to do now is try to get part of those social conservatives in their party. How are they going to do it? No idea.
Is this the same as the Moderator Republicans? Because I totally agree on this one. I know my father who is a long standing moderate voted for Dukakis because he didn't hear anything from Bush Sr. Healthcare was the biggest concern of my parents this year. The biggest hurdle I think is how to handle social welfare programs and making them appeal to the both "core" democrats and the moderate Republicans. That is going to be one tough order of business.
The Democrats need to get an candidate established now! Instead of spending wildly on the outdated primary system, where two small states get a say for the rest of the nation, use the money spent there towards the final presidential race.
Democrats also need to start verifying voter rolls. Ensure that everyone who thinks they are registered are on the rolls. Put those voter rolls to the test in every election between now and 2008. Track any discrepancies reported. In heavily contested districts absentee and early voting is needed to flush out problems and ensure that every vote is count.
There also needs to be better coordination between the GOTV orgs. On top of all the attack ads, people were hammered with calls from so many different orgs. Little wonder there was resentment towards voting.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Personally I wouldnt want my leader telling me he loved us and wanting to wrap us up in his arms.....Thats probably what he woulda told Osama Bin Laden as they drank milk together and to Sadaam as he sets him free to go back home to Iraq.
what the hell are you talking about?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Personally I wouldnt want my leader telling me he loved us and wanting to wrap us up in his arms.....Thats probably what he woulda told Osama Bin Laden as they drank milk together and to Sadaam as he sets him free to go back home to Iraq.
what the hell are you talking about? [/b]
Try to keep up.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Is this the same as the Moderate Republicans?
Moderate republicans are usually fiscally conservative and socially liberal. These people should have been voting for Kerry, but didnt. Although fiscal conservatives did not really have much of a choice this time.
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The Democratic Party is the party of Michael Moore, millionaire rock stars, lawyers, and snotty intellectual progressives.
The snotty intellectual progressives need to spend less time making fun of rural NASCAR loving blue collar working class social conservatives, and embrace them and give them a bigger say in the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party needs to be more the party of the working man and less the party of I dunno what it even stands for now.
The next Democratic nominee needs to be Southern, he (not she) needs to be a Governor and not a Senator or Congressman, and, like Clinton, needs to come from humble working class roots.
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www.moveonplease.org/ (http://www.moveonplease.org/)
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Try to keep up.
are you calling John Kerry a terrorist? are you making smart remarks at me because you can't explain your foolish posts? are you smoking crack with flawd?
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<img src="http://truefacts.com/images/church.jpg" alt=" - " />
When first entering the Middle East, the True American traveler may at first be alarmed to see men who appear to be of Muslim orientation. Do not panic. In some cases, young Muslim men are not terrorists. Treat the man with respect and attempt to engage him in conversation. Explain to him calmly and respectfully that Allah is a false god, and that he should consider converting to a different, superior religion. Tell him the good news about Jesus Christ and let him know that there is no need to be jealous of Americans, as we are actively working to make his country just like the United States.
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May the source (http://www.nationallampoon.com/nl/08_features/muslim/muslim.asp) be with you.
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Thanks smackie! Finally your useless carreer has yielded some useful information!
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by chaz:
Each state has it's own laws stating who can and can't vote. I don't know them all by heart, but in some states even incarcerated felons can vote.
Permitted to vote while incarcerated:
ME, VT
Voting restored after release from incarceration:
HI, IL, IN, MA, MI, MT, NH, ND, OH, OR, PA, SD, UT
Voting restored after release from incarceration and completion of parole (probationers may vote):
CA, CO, CT, NY
Voting restored after completion of sentence, including parole and probation:
AK, AR, GA, ID, KS, LA, MN, MO, NJ, NM, NC, OK, RI, SC, TX, WV, WI
Voting restored after completion of sentence for first felony, permanently disfranchised for at least some second felonies:
AZ, MD
Voting restored for certain ex-offenders convicted of felonies, others permanently disfranchised:
AL, DE, NV, WY
Voting restored after completion of sentence, except those convicted of felonies before a certain date who are permanently disfranchised:
TN (pre-1986 disenfranchised), WA (pre-1984 disenfranchised)
All convicted of felonies permanently disfranchised:
FL, IA, KY, MS, NE, VA
(I just had training on all of this) [/b]
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I think that's a Margaret Mead quote. Boy did she get the Samoans wrong...
Originally posted by marquee smith:
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The Democratic Party is the party of Michael Moore, millionaire rock stars, lawyers, and snotty intellectual progressives.
The snotty intellectual progressives need to spend less time making fun of rural NASCAR loving blue collar working class social conservatives, and embrace them and give them a bigger say in the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party needs to be more the party of the working man and less the party of I dunno what it even stands for now.
The next Democratic nominee needs to be Southern, he (not she) needs to be a Governor and not a Senator or Congressman, and, like Clinton, needs to come from humble working class roots.
The problem started with Michael Moore and him associating himself with the Democratic party. He's too on the fringe. Notice he was never tabbed to speak at any Kerry/Edwards events. He's just a loudmouth who is in it for attention.
And since when did the Republican party become the party of the working class? Someone help me here. Bush certainly isn't from working class roots either.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Edwards did little for your electoral college, the party had already let you down in the South, but with Gephardt, you likely gain the 11 EC votes in Missouri, where he is beloved.
Gephardt is not beloved, he is from the blue collar part of st. louis, which means he is not liked by the wealthy parts of st. louis and he is from st. louis, so he is not liked by the rest of missouri [/b]
sorry smackie, but pollard is right on this one (no matter what gregg easterbrook thinks). gephardt is pretty despised through most of missouri. . and with a big governor's race this year, i don't think having gephardt would have helped at all.
also. . there's one reason gore lost in 2000: he failed to carry his home state. if he carries tennessee, he wins (if i've done my addition correctly). edwards failed to carry his home state as well. what does that possibly say about the democratic party? i agree that if the democrats put up a southerner, it has to be governor. senators can be linked to washington (and the liberal democrat establishment - rightly or wrongly), and that's never a good thing to a southerner, who still believes in states rights.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Personally I wouldnt want my leader telling me he loved us and wanting to wrap us up in his arms.....Thats probably what he woulda told Osama Bin Laden as they drank milk together and to Sadaam as he sets him free to go back home to Iraq.
what the hell are you talking about? [/b]
Try to keep up. [/b]
This is the problem. Why do people buy into this rhetoric thinking that Kerry would have been lax on terrorism and the like. This is bullshit. Remember, this is the guy who actually saw combat, and not hide from it. Just because he came back and thought the war in Vietnam was wrong, doesn't make him soft. It makes him look intelligent, like he can absorb information and change his mind. Instead of the alternative and staying the course, not admitting any fault, or that anything is wrong.
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Missouri was electing Dems to state office until this year when for the first time in 80 years Missouri voters put the Republican Party in charge of the Governor's Mansion, the state House and the state Senate. So I agree, the only way to win a southern state with a dem presidential candidate is to have it be somebody who has recently held state office.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Missouri was electing Dems to state office until this year when for the first time in 80 years Missouri voters put the Republican Party in charge of the Governor's Mansion, the state House and the state Senate. So I agree, the only way to win a southern state with a dem presidential candidate is to have it be somebody who has recently held state office.
yep. . .louisiana for the first since reconstruction sent a republican to the senate, georgia gave both houses of the state legislature to the republicans, they won the governor's race 2 years ago (since reconstruction as well, i think), and oklahoma gave both state houses to the republicans for the first time in its history. while the south is trending republican, there are still enough southern, conservative democrats that can get elected as governor.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Try to keep up.
are you calling John Kerry a terrorist? are you making smart remarks at me because you can't explain your foolish posts? are you smoking crack with flawd? [/b]
Ok, Medusa said that she liked the fact that Kerry said I love you to the crowd and something like he wanted to hug all of them. I said, I didnt want a president that said he wanted to hug me and that he loved me. Sonick asked what I was talking about. I said, try to keep up meaning I was responding to someone elses post. Sonick then said I said Kerry was a terrorist. I don't remember saying that but if that's what everyone got of it then I don't know what to say. As for the "crack" drugs comment Sonick, I'll just leave that one alone cause It's too easy to respond to. ;)
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Originally posted by hitman:
Just because he came back and thought the war in Vietnam was wrong, doesn't make him soft. It makes him look intelligent, like he can absorb information and change his mind. Instead of the alternative and staying the course, not admitting any fault, or that anything is wrong.
this is what i saw in Kerry. Sure, he changed his mind, and i understand that being a good leader, its hard to make decisions and then go back on them, but i think Bush is the complete opposite where he may make a bad decision and then stick with it as it gets worse.
there should be a middle ground between being wishy washy (Kerry) and stubborn and pig headed (Bush)
Nader would've pulled out of Iraq cause there are no trees there anyway.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Personally I wouldnt want my leader telling me he loved us and wanting to wrap us up in his arms.....Thats probably what he woulda told Osama Bin Laden as they drank milk together and to Sadaam as he sets him free to go back home to Iraq.
sounds like you are calling him a terrorist to me
or at least someone who is friends with them (and according to Bush, if you are friends with terrorists, then you are one)
i thought you liked Kerry? thats what you said the other day.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Personally I wouldnt want my leader telling me he loved us and wanting to wrap us up in his arms.....Thats probably what he woulda told Osama Bin Laden as they drank milk together and to Sadaam as he sets him free to go back home to Iraq.
sounds like you are calling him a terrorist to me
or at least someone who is friends with them (and according to Bush, if you are friends with terrorists, then you are one)
i thought you liked Kerry? thats what you said the other day. [/b]
Damn you are a quick responder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh please Micheal Moore didn't bring down the Democratic party. The people that disliked Moore would have never been supporters in the first place. Clearily you don't know Moore's background. He is more of a socialist, anti big business type. He grew up in Flint, MI a totally blue collar car manufacting city, which saw large job loss when GM started faltering.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Damn you are a quick responder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps the two of you should have your own message board where you can respond to each other all day long ...
Oh wait, that happens here, but everyone gets to see it. ;) ;)
(Duck). ;)
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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sorry Medusa.
:)
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I thought you guys lived for Sonick and I's posts to each other. :cool:
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Nader would've pulled out of Iraq cause there are no trees there anyway.
no, he would have pulled out because its none of our damn business what goes on over there and we've got enough trouble here to manage (but I get your joke)
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I'm not sure who you are replying to, but I think the common man thinks of Moore as more of a big shot left wing Hollywood director. Not someone the common man identifies with.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Oh please Micheal Moore didn't bring down the Democratic party. The people that disliked Moore would have never been supporters in the first place. Clearily you don't know Moore's background. He is more of a socialist, anti big business type. He grew up in Flint, MI a totally blue collar car manufacting city, which saw large job loss when GM started faltering.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Nader would've pulled out of Iraq cause there are no trees there anyway.
no, he would have pulled out because its none of our damn business what goes on over there and we've got enough trouble here to manage (but I get your joke) [/b]
But now that country is so unstable that is the US business. Actually G.W.Bush should be held accountable for the 1100 American troops killed there and for the thousands of Irakis killed.
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Explain to me why Right wing blowhards are allowed be loud fat men, but Moore gets critized for it. Although on the left Moore was not a big Hollywood director when he did Roger and Me, which was a stand for the common man.
Once upon a time the common man was trod on and taken advantage of by big business. Now a days the common man is although paid better with better working conditions is still taken of advantage of by big business. The common man having won a decent wage is now more selfish and only cares about itself and thier gas guzzling SUV. There is also no threat from Russia. Thus, any idiot offering to lower taxes and protect it with guns and from gays is going to be supported by the common man. The common man would appear not to care about health care, the environment, corporate greed and corruption. They would rather those things go unchecked. Which is why Moore isn't liked.
Of course not being the common man I like what Moore does, and because its America he is able to use the movies to share his viewpoint with those how share it. Unfortunately the common man views this a traitorus and unpatriotic. Thus what is truly wrong with this country.
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I think Rush Limbaugh isn't really fat anymore.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
But now that country is so unstable that is the US business. Actually G.W.Bush should be held accountable for the 1100 American troops killed there and for the thousands of Irakis killed. [/QB]
Heck, lets just blame him for all the troops and civilians killed in WW1, WW2, The Civil War, Korean War and Vietnam War, it's much easier this way. I'm gonna blame him for the "F" I got in History class my Junior Year in High School. I'm gonna be so happy to call my Mom up tonight and put it in her face that it wasn't actually my fault and that George W. Bush shoulda been grounded and not me......This is fun....The next time my girlfriend gets mad at me for something I'll just say It was Bush's fault and to be mad at him, then we'll be happy again. Wooooo Hooooo for this easy solution to all my problems. :p
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
But now that country is so unstable that is the US business. Actually G.W.Bush should be held accountable for the 1100 American troops killed there and for the thousands of Irakis killed. [/b]
Heck, lets just blame him for all the troops and civilians killed in WW1, WW2, The Civil War, Korean War and Vietnam War, it's much easier this way. I'm gonna blame him for the "F" I got in History class my Junior Year in High School. I'm gonna be so happy to call my Mom up tonight and put it in her face that it wasn't actually my fault and that George W. Bush shoulda been grounded and not me......This is fun....The next time my girlfriend gets mad at me for something I'll just say It was Bush's fault and to be mad at him, then we'll be happy again. Wooooo Hooooo for this easy solution to all my problems. :p [/QB]
was he president while you were in high school?
did Bush send airstrikes to your High School?
did he bomb your high school?
I think we can blame Bush for a lot of stuff that is happening in the country he pre-emptively struck down and beat to death....and then called it a war.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Heck, lets just blame him for all the troops and civilians killed in WW1, WW2, The Civil War, Korean War and Vietnam War, it's much easier this way. I'm gonna blame him for the "F" I got in History class my Junior Year in High School. I'm gonna be so happy to call my Mom up tonight and put it in her face that it wasn't actually my fault and that George W. Bush shoulda been grounded and not me......This is fun....The next time my girlfriend gets mad at me for something I'll just say It was Bush's fault and to be mad at him, then we'll be happy again. Wooooo Hooooo for this easy solution to all my problems. :p
Small detail of a difference here, Bush didnt start WW1, WW2, The Civil War, Korean War or the Vietnam War. But he would love the opportunity.
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Rob is officially spouting nonsense at such an alarming rate, my monitor is smoking!!!!! :eek:
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It's just fun being able to blame someone else for all the problems in the world whether now or the past. Common guys, try it. It's fun.
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forget it
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Originally posted by pollard:
Small detail of a difference here, Bush didnt start WW1, WW2, The Civil War, Korean War or the Vietnam War. But he would love the opportunity. [/b]
I think most people at the time would have loved the opportunity to bring America into WW1 and WW2. Or would they rather say "Good job Japan for bombing us, you won't fool us twice though".
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
It's just fun being able to blame someone else for all the problems in the world whether now or the past. Common guys, try it. It's fun.
so the president of the United States, strongest, richest country in the world, should be able to make ALL these decisions and not get the blame for when the shit hits the fan?
i didnt see the Yankees blaming the New York Rangers for choking against Boston.
nor did i see their fans blaming anyone but them.
or maybe we should just give credit to the resilliant Iraqis for not just lying down and dying while you take thier country and turn it upside down?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I think most people at the time would have loved the opportunity to bring America into WW1 and WW2. Or would they rather say "Good job Japan for bombing us, you won't fool us twice though".
who bombed us this time?
nevermind, i dont want to get into that...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
[/b]
who bombed us this time?
[/QB]
Oh it's "US" now?
Nevermind, I don't want to get into that....
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It is pretty clear in the analysis so far that what won this election for Bush (because it won Ohio) was the issue of gay marriage. Not jobs, or Iraq, or supreme court justices, or the environment or many other important issues. But rather, making something that is already illegal, even more illegal.
It is really quite amazing.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
what does that possibly say about the democratic party? i agree that if the democrats put up a southerner, it has to be governor. senators can be linked to washington (and the liberal democrat establishment - rightly or wrongly), and that's never a good thing to a southerner, who still believes in states rights.
I think this election proved that the Democrats could have won an election and not carry a single state from the old south (not that I agree with this logic, politically). A tighter focus on the hispanics in the Sun Belt or a better showing in the midwest and the Dems can ignore making any in roads in the south. All they neded was Ohio in this election and it would have proven correct.
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i blame jerry springer...
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well then we also need laws that punish sexual acts outside of marriage... unless of course your gay ;)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
but i think Bush is the complete opposite where he may make a bad decision and then stick with it as it gets worse.
Clearly you missed Bush talking to Charlie Gibson saying he was for gay civil unions, it just wasn't part of his platform, and then Karl Rove in the White House breifing room explaining that the president misunderstood the question less then an hour later.
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I'm grotty & I don't endorse this t-shirt.
I just think it's funny.
[thanks for the entertaining link markie]
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I think this election proved that the Democrats could have won an election and not carry a single state from the old south (not that I agree with this logic, politically). A tighter focus on the hispanics in the Sun Belt or a better showing in the midwest and the Dems can ignore making any in roads in the south. All they neded was Ohio in this election and it would have proven correct.
yeah, democrats can off-set losses in the south and even the midwest by focusing on new mexico, arizona and nevada. but bush pulled in alot of hispanic voters this year (course, this may be skewed if there was a large cuban turnout in florida, since they are still overwhelmingly republican). course, i think that wisconsin and minnesota are trending really republican these days, and they could help off-set sun belt losses. . .heck, if bush had won wisconsin (provided he wins iowa), he wouldn't have needed ohio.
there is a perfect candidate sitting in the midwest for the democrats: tom vilsack. governor of iowa, and if he can keep his wife's mouth shut, he could really force republican's to keep the midwest.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
there is a perfect candidate sitting in the midwest for the democrats: tom vilsack. governor of iowa, and if he can keep his wife's mouth shut, he could really force republican's to keep the midwest.
I agree completely.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
yeah, democrats can off-set losses in the south and even the midwest by focusing on new mexico, arizona and nevada. but bush pulled in alot of hispanic voters this year (course, this may be skewed if there was a large cuban turnout in florida, since they are still overwhelmingly republican). course, i think that wisconsin and minnesota are trending really republican these days, and they could help off-set sun belt losses. . .heck, if bush had won wisconsin (provided he wins iowa), he wouldn't have needed ohio.
The whole country is leaning Republican these days because they are dictating the agenda. Karl Rove did an amazing thing in this election: he won a very close election without upsetting the hard right. If anything, he upset the center right by staying hard line. They drove the Gods, Guns and Gays agenda hard into the bible belt and midwest and got rural Ohio out to vote.
The Dems failed to get a clear and consistent message out, especially on a domestic agenda and spent nearly the entire election on the defensive, despite a Presidential approval rating at or below 50%. Amazing.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
there is a perfect candidate sitting in the midwest for the democrats: tom vilsack. governor of iowa, and if he can keep his wife's mouth shut, he could really force republican's to keep the midwest.
I agree completely. [/b]
Vilsack is a good guy, and definitely a rising star. He went to my alma mater - his son was my roomate there, actually.
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well, here's some good news:
Aides: Ashcroft Likely to Leave AG Post
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) is likely to leave his post before the start of President Bush (news - web sites)'s second term, senior aides said Thursday.
Ashcroft, 62, is described as exhausted from leading the Justice Department (news - web sites) in fighting the domestic war on terrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Stress was a factor in Ashcroft's health problems earlier this year that resulted in removal of his gall bladder.
Ashcroft is expected to resign before Bush's Jan. 20 inauguration, said aides who spoke only on condition of anonymity. They said there is a small chance he would stay on, at least for a short time, if Bush asked him.
The attorney general has not officially informed his staff of his future plans, spokesman Mark Corallo said.
At a news conference, Bush said he hasn't made any decisions about his Cabinet.
Ashcroft, a former two-term governor and senator from Missouri, has long been a favorite among Bush's base of religious conservatives. He also is a lightning rod for Democrats and other critics on issues ranging from the anti-terrorism Patriot Act, which expanded rules for eavesdropping, to abortion rights and gun control.
Names that have been floated in recent weeks as a possible replacement include Ashcroft's former deputy, Larry Thompson, who would become the first black attorney general. Others include Marc Racicot, who was Bush's campaign manager, and White House general counsel Alberto Gonzalez, who would give Bush a notable Hispanic appointment.
maybe its a bit fanciful, but i've seen guiliani's name pop up for this job too. i think that bush is saving gonzalez for the supreme court.
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Who are you calling common?
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
It's just fun being able to blame someone else for all the problems in the world whether now or the past. Common guys, try it. It's fun.
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will they uncover the naked statue? i'm glad that tool is going although it wont change the fact that we still have the patriot act, a disregard for the geneva convention, the tsa watch list, etc...
maybe the adult film industry is breathing a little easier
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Pollard has been reading the same Washington Post articles I have. Pollard, will you marry me?
Originally posted by pollard:
It is pretty clear in the analysis so far that what won this election for Bush (because it won Ohio) was the issue of gay marriage. Not jobs, or Iraq, or supreme court justices, or the environment or many other important issues. But rather, making something that is already illegal, even more illegal.
It is really quite amazing.
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Elizabeth Edwards Diagnosed With Breast Cancer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25350-2004Nov4.html)
Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards, was diagnosed with breast cancer the day her husband and Sen. John Kerry conceded the presidential race.
Spokesman David Ginsberg said Mrs. Edwards, 55, discovered a lump in her right breast while on a campaign trip last week. Her family doctor told her Friday that it appeared to be cancerous and advised her to see a specialist when she could.
She put off the appointment until Wednesday so as to not miss campaign time. Mrs. Edwards had a needle biopsy performed at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, where Dr. Barbara Smith confirmed the cancer, Ginsberg said.
He said the cancer was diagnosed as invasive ductal cancer. That is the most common type of breast cancer, and can spread from the milk ducts to other parts of the breast or beyond.
More tests were being done to determine how far the cancer has advanced and how to treat it, he said.
Ginsberg said spirits are high at the Edwards household. "Everybody feels good about it, that this is beatable," he said.
Edwards, who leaves his North Carolina Senate seat in January, said in a statement, "Elizabeth is as strong a person as I've ever known. Together, our family will beat this."
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Who are you calling common?
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
It's just fun being able to blame someone else for all the problems in the world whether now or the past. Common guys, try it. It's fun.
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lol. i think thats American for "come on"
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
lol. i think thats American for "come on"
That's "Gee-speak." :p
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Pollard has been reading the same Washington Post articles I have. Pollard, will you marry me?
Sorry, no to the proposal. Bigamy is illegal. You will have to leave Celeste first.
And I did read that post article, but others are writing about it as well.
Accoording to somewhere else, Gary Bauer, who use to focus on abortion, started a group that spent 1 million on the gay marriage issue. Anybody who has ever met Gary Bauer would have to share my suspicion that he is actually gay.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Elizabeth Edwards Diagnosed With Breast Cancer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25350-2004Nov4.html)
thats what you call a bad day
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
There is also no threat from Russia.
I miss the cold war. I miss Nixon. I miss Brezhnev.
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Originally posted by pollard:
thats what you call a bad day
Yeah, the Edwards family has been through some rotten times.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm not sure who you are replying to, but I think the common man thinks of Moore as more of a big shot left wing Hollywood director. Not someone the common man identifies with.
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The only people who identify with Moore are conspiracy theorists who are fat, can't shave, and don't know how to dress appropriately for anything.
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So, which defenseless country do you think hee-haw will invade next?
Iran? No, they have nukes.
N. Korea? No, they aren't defenseless and would most probably kick America's arse.
Syria? That's a maybe.
Maybe he'll invade Israel to free the Palestinians of oppression, seeing as that's his mandate for the next four years. ;)
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Maybe he'll invade Israel to free the Palestinians of oppression, seeing as that's his mandate for the next four years. ;)
yeah right, you wanna see someone get run out of America real fast....piss off the Jews.
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I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with you.
Originally posted by hitman:
The only people who identify with Moore are conspiracy theorists who are fat, can't shave, and don't know how to dress appropriately for anything.
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going back to our earlier discussion, what do y'all think about this:
The lesson of this year's election is simple: The Republican base beats the Democratic base. Bush and Kerry were both excite-the-base candidates, like Bush and Gore in 2000. So these two elections give us a pretty good indication of how the parties' bases stack up against each other.
Four years ago, they were dead even -- the 50-50 nation. Today, the Republicans are three or four points ahead -- as Michael Barone wrote after the off-year elections of 2002. (By the way: if they ever award a Nobel Prize for political analysis, Barone ought to get the first one. Maybe every one. He's a genius. Not surprisingly, he was the first person on Tuesday night to see that the exit polls had gone haywire.) The Republicans are ahead, not by a lot but by enough. If the Democrats keep nominating excite-the-base candidates who run Shrumian campaigns, expect to see the same results. (Future delegates for Hillary Clinton: are you listening?)
The best way to see how the two sides stack up is to look at one of those red-and-blue maps that seem to breed these days. Divide the country into three parts: Kerry's base, Bush's base, and the Midwest. Kerry's base is the Northeast -- everything North of the Potomac River and East of Ohio -- together with the Pacific Coast and Hawaii. (They don't call it the "left coast" for nothing.) Kerry swept his base 194-0. Bush's base is the South and the rest of the West. Bush swept his base too, by an electoral score of 237-0, assuming the New Mexico vote holds up. But Bush's base is bigger. Which means Kerry needed to nearly sweep the Midwest to catch up. He did carry the Midwest, but not by much: 58-49 in the electoral college. Bush carried Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, and Iowa -- and he could have lost any of the last three without changing the result.
This is a common historical pattern. Several times we have had elections that pitted the Northeast -- today, the Northeast plus the Pacific Coast -- against the South and West. The electoral math is always the same: In order to have a chance, the candidate of the Northeast must sweep the Midwest. That hasn't happened since William McKinley, Karl Rove's hero. Instead, the Midwest always divides. Michigan and the upper Midwest usually follow the Northeast. But Ohio and Missouri, sometimes joined by a couple of their neighbors, go with the candidate of the South and West, giving that candidate the victory. Woodrow Wilson in 1916, Harry Truman in 1948, Richard Nixon in 1968, George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004 -- all followed the same formula. In each case, the winner nearly swept the South and West, added a few Midwestern states (always including Ohio and Missouri), and won the election.
By now, the lessons should be clear. The Northeast and Pacific Coast aren't enough to win the White House. And Ohio and Missouri do not follow New York and Massachusetts.
For Democrats, the picture is getting worse. The Midwest is trending Republican. Consider these figures (in 2000 and 2004 I have added Nader's votes to the Democratic total):
1988 2000 2004
Dukakis Bush Gore-Nader Bush Kerry-Nader Bush
Minnesota 52.9% 45.9 53.1 45.5 51.8 47.6
Wisconsin 51.4 47.8 51.4 47.6 50.3 49.3
Iowa 54.7 44.5 50.7 48.2 49.6 50.1
Missouri 47.9 51.8 48.6 50.4 46.1 53.4
Gore-plus-Nader ran basically even with or behind Dukakis in all four states. Kerry-plus-Nader ran at least one percentage point behind. Bush ran ahead of his father's winning 1988 performance in all four states; the differences range from 12 points in Wisconsin to more than 5 points in Iowa. (Maybe Iowans read Mickey Kaus and felt the need to atone for their caucus votes.)
Needless to say, Democrats aren't likely to win when they can't top Dukakis in the Midwest. And this is a moving target. Bush won Missouri in 2000; this time, he won Missouri and Iowa. With similar candidates in 2008, the Republicans might win all four. Ohio could be the least of the Democrats' problems.
Still, the news is not all bad for Democrats, and not all good for Republicans. By historical standards John Kerry ran a very strong race, and George W. Bush was a shaky incumbent. Bill Clinton would probably have won this election by five or six points. Just as John McCain would have beaten Kerry in a landslide.
Which leads to a piece of conventional wisdom that's actually pretty wise: America divides into red and blue because those are the colors the parties give us. Perhaps both sides need to see that the smart move is to paint with a different color. Purple beats red or blue, every time. In 2008, when Rudy Giuliani faces off against Barack Obama, those maps will look very different.
William J. Stuntz is a Professor at Harvard Law School.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
William J. Stuntz is a Professor at Harvard Law School.
ummm... now we have law professors publishing this stuff? maybe he should stick to law, and let the Kennedy School of Gov't people pick up this one.
not that i disagree.
i just don't get how being a law professor is a credential when it comes to political analysis.
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bush was the only canidate who didn't go on the daily show.
only Kerry didn't go on the daily show during the primaries...
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anyone seen this (http://illuminati-news.com/graphics/lavey-meets-kerry2.jpg) ?
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Originally posted by palahniukkubrick:
anyone seen this (http://illuminati-news.com/graphics/lavey-meets-kerry2.jpg) ?
Yep (http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/lavey.asp).
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Originally posted by palahniukkubrick:
anyone seen this (http://illuminati-news.com/graphics/lavey-meets-kerry2.jpg) ?
Don't trust it when the date in which it was theoretically published is so obviously hidden.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Originally posted by palahniukkubrick:
anyone seen this (http://illuminati-news.com/graphics/lavey-meets-kerry2.jpg) ?
Yep (http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/lavey.asp). [/b]
so it's phony? now I feel stupid.
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Originally posted by palahniukkubrick:
now I feel stupid. [/QB]
You musta voted for Kerry then. :p
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You musta voted for Kerry then. :p
Better than NOT VOTING AT ALL! :p :p
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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high five for that one, Medusa! :D
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Originally posted by Medusa:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You musta voted for Kerry then. :p
Better than NOT VOTING AT ALL! :p :p
Cheers
DJ Medusa. [/b]
Depends on who you ask, and unfortunetely for you, Sonick's opinion doesn't mean squat to me. :p
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Depends on who you ask, and unfortunetely for you, Sonick's opinion doesn't mean squat to me. :p
thats cause you are a jerk. i dont even know why i humor you by responding to your posts.
in fact
i think i'll stop.
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Originally posted by marquee smith:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
There is also no threat from Russia.
I miss the cold war. I miss Nixon. I miss Brezhnev. [/b]
Heh. Bought a pin at Twist & Shout, it reads, "I never thought I'd miss Nixon".
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So according to excerpts I just read from an upcoming newsweek article (yes, on the Drudge Report) former President Clinton tried to get Kerry to support local bans on gay marriage and Kerry said he would never do it. Thank god, I don't know what Clinton was thinking.
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Originally posted by econo:
I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with you.
Originally posted by hitman:
The only people who identify with Moore are conspiracy theorists who are fat, can't shave, and don't know how to dress appropriately for anything.
[/b]
I fucking hate Michael Moore. In a lot of ways, I think his implied association with the Democratic Party (done by the media) fucked the polls up even more. Every time someone saw him on TV, they automatically associated him with Kerry, which was just plainly false.
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Originally posted by hitman:
I fucking hate Michael Moore. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Didn't you get the feeling that he was secretly working on a Hillary 2008 agenda?
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we all know hillary won't be elected in 2008. it is to soon for a women president. its kinda like a black president, possible but not in the near future.
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Give Obama some time.
Originally posted by flawd101:
its kinda like a black president, possible but not in the near future.
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Originally posted by flawd101:
we all know hillary won't be elected in 2008. it is to soon for a women president. its kinda like a black president, possible but not in the near future.
well, how about a BLACK WOMAN president?
i elect...
<img src="http://www.cyber-print-media.com/Posters/Music/Queen-Latifah.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
well, how about a BLACK WOMAN president?
i elect...
<img src="http://www.cyber-print-media.com/Posters/Music/Queen-Latifah.jpg" alt=" - " />
We gave up the monarchy hundreds of years ago.
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The first black president will be a Republican.
Hell, it's probably even money that we'll have a black Republican president before we ever even have another white Democrat president.
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Man, even Abraham Lincoln predicted this...
"I think a black person should be able to be president, and watch out for Germany sometime in the 20th century." -- Abraham Lincoln
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She counts for two.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by flawd101:
we all know hillary won't be elected in 2008. it is to soon for a women president. its kinda like a black president, possible but not in the near future.
well, how about a BLACK WOMAN president?
i elect...
<img src="http://www.cyber-print-media.com/Posters/Music/Queen-Latifah.jpg" alt=" - " /> [/b]
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Originally posted by flawd101:
we all know hillary won't be elected in 2008. it is to soon for a women president. its kinda like a black president, possible but not in the near future.
quite honestly, I hate to say this, but I can't conceive of a time in this country that we will have a black president or woman president. we haven't even had on for vp yet, and only one viable candidate for vp with ferrarro back in the 80's. especially now with all of the "red states" and there seemingly backwards way of thinking, sadly I don't think it will ever happen.
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Originally posted by marquee smith:
Originally posted by hitman:
I fucking hate Michael Moore. [/b]
Didn't you get the feeling that he was secretly working on a Hillary 2008 agenda? [/QB][/QUOTE]
No I don't. I don't think he can see that far ahead. Plus I don't think a Clinton '08 ticket is a viable one, and I don't even know where that got started. I can't see her making that leap, nor the country for that matter.
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Originally posted by hitman:
I fucking hate Michael Moore.
<img src="http://www.oldfields.org/images/philanthropy/education/kerrey/kerrey_seal.jpg" alt=" - " />
"Unexpected kindness is the most powerful,
least costly and most underrated agent of human change. Kindness that catches us by surprise brings out the best in our natures."
-Senator Bob Kerrey (http://www.medalofhonor.com/JosephKerrey.htm)
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Originally posted by marquee smith:
Originally posted by hitman:
[qb] I fucking hate Michael Moore.[/b]
"Unexpected kindness is the most powerful,
least costly and most underrated agent of human change. Kindness that catches us by surprise brings out the best in our natures."
QUOTE]
I know that Bob Kerrey was a MOH winner, and I respect him and his politics a great deal. But I guess you quoting him is so supposed to be some sort of slash at me. Well, it doesn't get me all gushy inside. I actually agree with his quote, however, know people enough to know that it rarely comes about, especially where Moore is concerned. What else ya got?
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There should only be a woman president if she's an old cow who's been through menopause like Thatcher, because otherwise you never know who she'd nuke when the reds are in town and she's all hormonal and shit.
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Originally posted by hitman:
I know that Bob Kerrey was a MOH winner, and I respect him and his politics a great deal. But I guess you quoting him is so supposed to be some sort of slash at me. Well, it doesn't get me all gushy inside. I actually agree with his quote, however, know people enough to know that it rarely comes about, especially where Moore is concerned. What else ya got?
<img src="http://www.artandentropy.com/pictures/killertribute/Dahmer.jpg" alt=" - " />
"A sandwich is a sandwich, but a Manwich is a meal."
-Jeffrey Dahmer
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Oh, oh, oh, O'Mankie...testosterone poisoning can be just as deadly as estrogen surges!
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if its a women president they will just let her drive around...she'll get lost or die in a car accident.
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There should only be a woman president if she's an old cow who's been through menopause like Thatcher, because otherwise you never know who she'd nuke when the reds are in town and she's all hormonal and shit.
Digging up an old thread for classic stull like this. RIP Mankie.
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I told my daughter than I'd be heading to the polls today to save her right to an abortion and she said "That doesn't really matter to me, but you do you. Uggh, I hate politics. Why can't we all just get along?"
Come on Virginia, you got this. Four more years of Terr-bear.
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Being the nice guy I am, I think Blacks and Women should get three votes each, to make up for a time when they didn't have the vote.
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
BTW facists....I mean republicans. It's only ONE vote each, and black people get one each too.
What Charlie said.
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The first black president will be a Republican.
this was one bad take ;)
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I still can’t believe I am seeing polls saying he is going down
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it's because the conservative media and qop have been able to create their latest boogieman called Critical Race Theory, which no one understands what it actually is but they all know it's bad...
exhibit a
https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1455243036795998212?s=20
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The first black president will be a Republican.
this was one bad take ;)
Abraham Lincoln described himself c. 1838–39 as "black" and his "complexion" in 1859 as "dark", but whether he meant either in an ancestral sense is unknown. The Charleston Mercury described him as being "of ... the dirtiest complexion".
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Not willing to go post Mortem until votes counted
A Republican hasn’t won statewide office in Virginia in a while…assuming that won’t change tonight
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I still can’t believe I am seeing polls saying he is going down
In the past 45 years, VA has voted for the party of the sitting president only once. Of course, he's the guy who is running for re-election today.
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Republicans did a great job to make this about "education" (while threading the needle of not making it about COVID vax/masks in schools) while McAuliffe just kept saying "Trump".
True coin flip. I do think the two-weeks of "Youngkin may actually lead" polls will get Dem turnout up but I have a sinking suspicion Youngkin will win by less than Princess Blanding's vote total.
I think LG and AG are safe. Weird election.
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Virginia has changed….
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Virginia has changed….
Yeah, but its not Connecticut. The side that just lost an election always comes out more motivated to vote in the next one. This happens in California too we just don't talk about it because the Dems only win by 20% statewide instead of 25%. But when it happens in VA, it can flip a race still.
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Voted and got my booster shot and it’s not even noon
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the thing about the Gov race in VA is the off year election...really depresses turnout
the maga base is super motivated right now and REALLY want a win on this
I hope the last two weeks of 'it's neck and neck' headlines got the dems out
I'm a little nervous
would love a blowout and mandate on Trump tho..
I think LG and AG are safe.
Why do you think people won't just straight party ballot?
can't see voting for Younkin and then picking the dem for LG/AG?
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Voted and got my booster shot and it’s not even noon
Should have went for the flu shot for the trifecta.
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Why do you think people won't just straight party ballot?
can't see voting for Younkin and then picking the dem for LG/AG?
Because the polling numbers are different between the races? Lots of experts are saying Youngkin is the very-slight favorite going into today; none of them have Herring losing.
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so what exactly happened in 2009 in VA...was living in SF at the time, so not really paying attention
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDMSk-2WEAkuGYf?format=png&name=small)
17+ GOP?!
Kinda thought VA went blue in 2001 and didn't look back
did the dems just decide not to turn out?
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They ran a dude from SW VA named Criegh Deeds -- whose son later shot him in the face -- who was so milquetoast he made Frank Turner seem like a cup of espresso. Possibly the worst candidate I've seen the Dems run statewide in VA in my time here.
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They ran a dude from SW VA named Criegh Deeds -- whose son later shot him in the face --
On November 19, 2013, Deeds was stabbed multiple times by his son
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They ran a dude from SW VA named Criegh Deeds -- whose son later shot him in the face --
On November 19, 2013, Deeds was stabbed multiple times by his son
Sorry, my memory was fuzzy. His son STABBED him in the face.
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They ran a dude from SW VA named Criegh Deeds -- whose son later shot him in the face --
On November 19, 2013, Deeds was stabbed multiple times by his son
Sorry, my memory was fuzzy. His son STABBED him in the face.
I heard that the son poked him in the eye with a foreign object.
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They ran a dude from SW VA named Criegh Deeds -- whose son later shot him in the face --
On November 19, 2013, Deeds was stabbed multiple times by his son
Sorry, my memory was fuzzy. His son STABBED him n the face.
I heard that the son poked him in the eye with a foreign object.
His son later commited suicide.
On an unrelated sidenote, I read that former MLB player and broadcaster Jerry Remy, who died the other day, has a son with a long criminal history who is serving life for killing his girlfriend.
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They ran a dude from SW VA named Criegh Deeds -- whose son later shot him in the face --
On November 19, 2013, Deeds was stabbed multiple times by his son
Sorry, my memory was fuzzy. His son STABBED him in the face.
I heard that the son poked him in the eye with a foreign object.
His eyes appear intact but his face does not.
And yes, the son committed suicide and the entire incident happened after he was placed on a psych hold but no beds could be found so they sent him home which led to some changes to VA's mental healthcare laws.
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good sign...
Fairfax County Votes
@fairfaxvotes
1h
We've now had an estimated turnout of 17.89% at polling places today. Combined with our previous 23% turnout from early votes already cast, we're at approximately 40% turnout overall in Fairfax County
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What was turnout there last November?
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What was turnout there last November?
That's apples to oranges but state turnout in 2017 was 47%.
https://www.elections.virginia.gov/resultsreports/registrationturnout-statistics/
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Dave Wasserman
@Redistrict
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9m
Based on local turnout reports, VA is on track to break 3 million votes, which would surpass gubernatorial record of 2.6M set in 2017.
Not clear which side that benefits, but this isn't a scenario in which turnout in blue areas is falling through the floor. #VAGOV
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Dave Wasserman
@Redistrict
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9m
Based on local turnout reports, VA is on track to break 3 million votes, which would surpass gubernatorial record of 2.6M set in 2017.
Not clear which side that benefits, but this isn't a scenario in which turnout in blue areas is falling through the floor. #VAGOV
seems to me this would favor the dems. as it has been said a million times, this election comes down to turnout. the right is highly motivated (certainly aided by biden's recent slump), so we know they will show up. so high turn-out implies lots of dems, since they are the variable.
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the right is high
see this is how we can solve everything
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Sorry, my memory was fuzzy. His son STABBED him in the face.
I heard that the son poked him in the eye with a foreign object.
BUILD THE WALL!!!!
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Trump calls critics ‘perverts’ as he begs Virginia voters to overlook his election fraud claims and go to polls (https://news.yahoo.com/trump-calls-critics-perverts-begs-125649413.html)
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Trump calls critics ‘perverts’ as he begs Virginia voters to overlook his election fraud claims and go to polls (https://news.yahoo.com/trump-calls-critics-perverts-begs-125649413.html)
my great and unprecedented unpresidented Make America Great Again base
FTFY
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the gamblers are going with t-mac
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDN4GnpXEAIsile?format=jpg&name=large)
Ben Collins
@oneunderscore__
Bettors now think McAuliffe will win, after days of having Youngkin as the favorite. It's a net 21-point flip in about five hours.
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I'm going to point out that I voted about five hours ago.
Also, can we bring back DJ Medusa?
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Luntz is calling it
Frank Luntz
@FrankLuntz
When all the votes are counted, the GOP will win narrowly in Virginia.
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and for the love of god...we need the needle
Nate Cohn
@Nate_Cohn
Sorry folks. As I mentioned last week, there's no needle tonight!
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Luntz is calling it
Frank Luntz
@FrankLuntz
When all the votes are counted, the GOP will win narrowly in Virginia.
How can you call it if it’s narrow?
I think Terry wins 53-47
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I think Terry wins 53-47
damn, that's bold +6
I think it's terrytheterrier +3
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And remember the votes usually keep coming in the city of Richmond so it may initially look less favorable for Terry
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And remember the votes usually keep coming in the city of Richmond so it may initially look less favorable for Terry
only number I agree on is the final number, they won't call until it's obvious
I hope we don't have to wait until saturday, then its gonna be a shitshow
but it's 7PM, so shit just got real
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Shit got real for the number crunchers
I wouldn’t have a clue how to interpret the counts coming in
But the right person might know within an hour
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of course, I'm about as amature as they get at this shit
still is fun to horse trade for a night
I'm going to wait until the people I trust call it, then I'm pretty confident that's the end result
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Ok, this isn't crazy funny, but gave me a lol
Van Jones on CNN calls Glenn Youngkin the "delta variant of Trumpism."
"Same disease, but spreads a lot faster and can get a lot more places."
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are we worried about a Princess Blanding spoiler?
you know lee carter likely voted for her
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turnout predicted at 3.1 mil
2017 was only 2.58
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Not looking good for McAulliffe at all.
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Not looking good for McAulliffe at all.
Hmmmph. Phffft.
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also not looking good for Virginia House of Delegates
Fuck, I liked that pot was legal in VA...we're going to lose that if they win
shit this is to early...wait for the experts
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I've seen this tweet in many forms already ...ugh stupid people
I wonder if we're going to wake up to thousands of magic Democrat voters suddenly overtaking the Virginia gubernatorial elections like we did in the Presidential race
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Stick a fork in the governorship and HoD, it’s done.
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Fuck, that’s it we are calling it at 930
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Sucks
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Jesus New Jersey too?
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Looks like a rejection of Biden to me
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Hey we got NYC
That was a nail biter
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Looks like a rejection of Biden to me
Shoulda voted for Bernie?
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Haha
Bernie would have never beat Trump
I mean if Biden hasn’t been moderate enough …..you think Democrats are losing cause they haven’t been socialist enough?
Come on
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So I guess Trump is king and democracy is over?
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Huh? How do you figure?
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Who do have who can beat Trump?
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Ugh Biden of course
You make adjustments
Things change quickly…
Read up on Bill Clinton’s defeat in 1994 TWO years in and his romp in 96
We are one year in here which is the best thing about this…plenty of time…
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Virginia 2020 —> White women
50% Biden (D), 49% Trump (R)
Virginia 2021 —> White women
57% Youngkin (R), 43% McAuliffe (D)
A 15-point swing to the GOP with this group.
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Ok we weren’t going to be able to keep up the repulsion female voters felt for Trump
Right?
Did anyone think we would?
Youngkin smartly distanced himself from Trump and that was one of keys for him, right?
Other keys
Terry is repulsive
Biden has had a bad four months
That’s it
No need to panic
Adjust …having this warning a year before midterms…turn that into a positive
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Think Dems managed to salvage a 50-50 HOD split at least. Power sharing agreement.
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So focus more on fixing the economy and bag the woke stuff?
How can you say Terrbear is repulsive? He's a drinking buddy of Julian's.
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He was Clinton’s money man
Underperformed other statewide democrats when he got elected
He should not have run again but not sure based on results any D was winning tonight in Virginia
Time to move on and make a correction
Night
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virginia is for losers :(
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well there were a couple bright spots out of yesterday's local election...
where i live Greenbelt (aka Takoma Park lite) we passed a referendum to establish a 21-member commission to review, discuss, and make recommendations related to providing reparations for the city’s African American and Native American residents.
and Del. Danica Roem not only was re-elected but absolutely destroyed someone on twitter last night..
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The moral of this story is that there will, and forever will be a lot of dumb people out there. Just scare individuals with a bunch of bogeyman topics like CRT and it’s like clockwork. Why do the actual research when you can get talking points from Fox News chyrons.
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The moral of this story is that there will, and forever will be a lot of dumb people out there. Just scare individuals with a bunch of bogeyman topics like CRT and it’s like clockwork. Why do the actual research when you can get talking points from Fox News chyrons.
Yeah, well insulting and dismissing these people is not going to win elections. Figure out what you need to do to get there votes, do it, and go out and win an election.
I honestly did not learn a single thing Terry stood for, because every single ad on television and every single flyer that came in the mail from Terry told me that Youngkin=Trump rather than telling me where he was on issues.
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and Del. Danica Roem not only was re-elected but absolutely destroyed someone on twitter last night..
yea!
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I honestly did not learn a single thing Terry stood for, because every single ad on television and every single flyer that came in the mail from Terry told me that Youngkin=Trump rather than telling me where he was on issues.
I 100% agree with this take
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Figure out what you need to do to get there votes, do it, and go out and win an election.
Solid advice. Just go DO it.
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some crazy turnout for offyear election
2.65 mil cast...only won by 70k more votes
it's a lot, but also not that much
(all votes haven't been counted, so numbers could change)
GOP really got the turnout
Biden did win by 10 points
Trump got 1.962 mil in 2020
Youngkin got 1.664 in 2021
almost 800k people who voted for Biden didn't bother to vote in this election ...ultimately the fault kinda lies there
I do think people thought Terry-ible was a shoe-in so didn't show up
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I do think people thought Terry-ible was a shoe-in so didn't show up
AKA "pulled a hillary"
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some crazy turnout for offyear election
2.65 mil cast...only won by 70k more votes
it's a lot, but also not that much
(all votes haven't been counted, so numbers could change)
GOP really got the turnout
Biden did win by 10 points
Trump got 1.962 mil in 2020
Youngkin got 1.664 in 2021
almost 800k people who voted for Biden didn't bother to vote in this election ...ultimately the fault kinda lies there
I do think people thought Terry-ible was a shoe-in so didn't show up
Where did you get the 800K number?
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Where did you get the 800K number?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Virginia
Biden vote count in VA 2,413,568
https://results.elections.virginia.gov/vaelections/2021%20November%20General/Site/Statewide.html
Terr-orist 1,582,995 (not final number)
831k actually didn't show up to vote for Ter-ya-a-new-one, who voted for biden only 1 year ago
(no way to tell how many ended up voting for I-sleep-with-young-kin...but the media is making it like there were a lot of swingers who went for the other team this time around)
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Where did you get the 800K number?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Virginia
Biden vote count in VA 2,413,568
https://results.elections.virginia.gov/vaelections/2021%20November%20General/Site/Statewide.html
Terr-orist 1,582,995 (not final number)
831k actually didn't show up to vote for Ter-ya-a-new-one, who voted for biden only 1 year ago
(no way to tell how many ended up voting for I-sleep-with-young-kin...but the media is making it like there were a lot of swingers who went for the other team this time around)
Well then your numbers are garbage. You also posted:
Virginia 2020 —> White women
50% Biden (D), 49% Trump (R)
Virginia 2021 —> White women
57% Youngkin (R), 43% McAuliffe (D)
So you think the huge swing above among white women is due to white female Biden voters simply not showing up rather than independents or Trump Hating Republicans who voted for Biden but found Youngkin more likeable than Trump?
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how can my numbers be garbage?
I copied them from other sources and showed you the source
maybe my analysis is garbage
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how can my numbers be garbage?
I copied them from other sources and showed you the source
maybe my analysis is garbage
Maybe yours are. :)
Youngkin got 1.671 million. Mac got 1.592 million. Both got more votes than any other candidate for governor in Virginia history. Youngkin got more than 500K more votes than the 2017 Republican candidate, an almost 50% increase. Are you going to say that that 500K+ increase is due to people not showing up for Mac?
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how can my numbers be garbage?
I copied them from other sources and showed you the source
maybe my analysis is garbage
Maybe yours are. :)
Youngkin got 1.671 million. Mac got 1.592 million. Both got more votes than any other candidate for governor in Virginia history. Youngkin got more than 500K more votes than the 2017 Republican candidate, an almost 50% increase. Are you going to say that that 500K+ increase is due to people not showing up for Mac?
totally possible...right?
all I'm saying is 2.4 mil people in VA pulled the lever for a Dem in Nov 2020 and what happened to that 800k less
Gotta imagine if ALL of those 2.4 voted again in 2021...I thing Terry-the-terminated might have a job
So I blame at least 500k VA voters who just didn't bother to vote this year...especially with the laws that made voting easier
no-excuse absentee voting
45 day early voting
these things didn't exist only 2 years ago
They really had No-excuse not to vote ....so FUCK THEM, not the white women who actually got motivated (albeit for a candidate I don't like)
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Youngkin got 1.671 million.
Trump got 1.962 mil in 2020
so what happend to those 290...think they voted for terry-the-parent-hater
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I have a sinking suspicion Youngkin will win by less than Princess Blanding's vote total.
I think LG and AG are safe
so do these go in the bad take hall of fame??
Also here is the REAL reason Terry-Poor-mans-Martin-O'Malley lost
(as if Jules' vote wasn't already locked up...)
You act like I'm not the person who suggested this to Terry.
was that after he bought you the GandT?
Hes bought me a beer but never a G&T.
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Arlington voters approved a $23 million bond to support schools and Mary Kadera was elected to the Arlington School Board.
Probably will impact my life more than anything Youngkin does…
Oh btw We signed up to get my 9 year old his covid vaccine on Saturday. My 12 year old just got his vaccine earlier today.
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Jesus New Jersey too?
New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy (D) has clinched a second term after defeating former state Assembleyman Jack Ciattarelli (R) in the state’s unexpectedly tight gubernatorial contest.
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Arlington voters approved a $23 million bond to support schools and Mary Kadera was elected to the Arlington School Board.
Probably will impact my life more than anything Youngkin does…
agree on #1, not 100% sure on #2, but we'll see after your wife is wearing the outfit from The Handmaid's Tale
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will i be able to grow weed in va next summer?
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will i be able to grow weed in va next summer?
At least until July 1st. With the existence of Chap Peterson and a GOP Lt Gov, I wouldn’t take it for granted past that.
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In New Jersey, Jack Ciaterelli’s campaign was tenacious. For months and months every time I turned on the TV there was Jack telling me New Jersey is broken and only he can fix it. It seemed like every time I watched a YouTube video there was a Jack4NJ ad with Jack telling me Phil Murphy just doesn’t get it in front of a grotesque picture of Phil Murphy. It was an onslaught
In early ads he came across as a pure a-hole so they pivoted to ads with him in a pink shirt high fiving women and minorities.
When I walked outside, there were Jack signs, pamphlets . . .
Meanwhile, I saw a Phil Murphy ad on TV about once a month. Never got a targeted ad on YouTube or elsewhere on the internet from him. Never saw signs.
On Election Day, there were rows of 100s of Jack signs along the Highway. A few barely legible Murphy signs lost in the sea of Jack signs .
Tactically, the Dems got crushed. It made you wonder if they were even trying. Which is the story of the Dems - in congress, in the media, in controlling narratives - everywhere today it seems
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In New Jersey, Jack Ciaterelli’s campaign was tenacious. For months and months every time I turned on the TV there was Jack telling me New Jersey is broken and only he can fix it. It seemed like every time I watched a YouTube video there was a Jack4NJ ad with Jack telling me Phil Murphy just doesn’t get it in front of a grotesque picture of Phil Murphy. It was an onslaught
In early ads he came across as a pure a-hole so they pivoted to ads with him in a pink shirt high fiving women and minorities.
When I walked outside, there were Jack signs, pamphlets . . .
Meanwhile, I saw a Phil Murphy ad on TV about once a month. Never got a targeted ad on YouTube or elsewhere on the internet from him. Never saw signs.
On Election Day, there were rows of 100s of Jack signs along the Highway. A few barely legible Murphy signs lost in the sea of Jack signs .
Tactically, the Dems got crushed. It made you wonder if they were even trying. Which is the story of the Dems - in congress, in the media, in controlling narratives - everywhere today it seems
This article from October 25 says the spending in New Jersey was about equal. So I would say there's three possibilties for the phenomenom that you are seeing.
1. You're a white male who watches lots of typical white male tv shows and sports and the Republicans are targeting their denmographic with their ads.
2. The Koch Brothers/ Russians are funding the Republican advertising, with lots of unreported spending.
3. The Republicans have lots more yard signs up because they're the ones with the yards.
https://apnews.com/article/business-elections-new-jersey-election-2020-phil-murphy-3d00183523c21301c03b8d32fa82a934
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — New Jersey’s Republican candidate for governor Jack Ciattarelli has nearly matched incumbent Democrat Phil Murphy’s spending in the election so far, though the governor has about five times more cash on hand going into the final week of campaigning.
Ciattarelli has spent about $12.4 million so far with Murphy expending nearly $12.6 million, according to the latest data from the Election Law Enforcement Commission. Murphy as $3.5 million cash on hand compared with nearly $700,000 for Ciattarelli. The governor has brought in more than $16 million compared with $13.1 million for Ciattarelli in the period between the June primary and Oct. 19.
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3. The Republicans have lots more yard signs up because they're the ones with the yards.
Lee Carter is famously anti-yard.
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this basically happened in MD when Hogan won the first time... the Dem Anthony Brown (he was O'Malley's Lt. Governor) must have just assumed he was getting elected and I hardly saw any signs, etc from him during the general. during the primaries it was an entirely different story, signs everywhere so as often is the case in MD the primary is the real election.. when I voted during the general there was no line at all in the evening at a PG county polling site, so guess a bunch of Dem voters assumed he was a lock and stayed home.. Hogan campaigned on his BS Water Tax platform and swayed a bunch of Baltimore County voters in his direction
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Democrats like to believe if everyone voted Democrats would always win….
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Democrats like to believe if everyone voted Democrats would always win….
because it's true
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This is one of your core beliefs.
And it’s wrong….
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1. You're a white male who watches lots of typical white male tv shows and sports and the Republicans are targeting their denmographic with their ads.
But if white males are leaning GOP, shouldn’t it be a priority for Dems to target them? To counterpunch?
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1. You're a white male who watches lots of typical white male tv shows and sports and the Republicans are targeting their denmographic with their ads.
But if white males are leaning GOP, shouldn’t it be a priority for Dems to target them? To counterpunch?
Modern American politics is about getting your base out… energizing your base
Something Terry McAuliffe absolutely did not do. I hope we can agree on that… He gave me no reason to vote for him other than his pathetic resort to linking Youngkin with Trump
Do we need to reach out to independent voters? Of course but it’s not the priority. You wouldn’t want to lose your base by going after the middle.
It just depends on how we define that group.
Someone will doubtlessly jump in and say energizing the Democratic base is what Bernie does but I disagree. The Democratic base is not progressive voters.
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Something Terry McAuliffe absolutely did not do. I hope we can agree on that… He gave me no reason to vote for him other than his pathetic resort to linking Youngkin with Trump
I can agree with you on this
so is the blame on the 500K who didn't show up or that Terry-Katie-perry team couldn't figure out how to reach them and motivate them to show up
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1. You're a white male who watches lots of typical white male tv shows and sports and the Republicans are targeting their denmographic with their ads.
But if white males are leaning GOP, shouldn’t it be a priority for Dems to target them? To counterpunch?
Modern American politics is about getting your base out… energizing your base
Something Terry McAuliffe absolutely did not do. I hope we can agree on that… He gave me no reason to vote for him other than his pathetic resort to linking Youngkin with Trump
Do we need to reach out to independent voters? Of course but it’s not the priority. You wouldn’t want to lose your base by going after the middle.
It just depends on how we define that group.
Someone will doubtlessly jump in and say energizing the Democratic base is what Bernie does but I disagree. The Democratic base is not progressive voters.
Just who are the Democratic and Republican bases these days?
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Something Terry McAuliffe absolutely did not do. I hope we can agree on that… He gave me no reason to vote for him other than his pathetic resort to linking Youngkin with Trump
I can agree with you on this
so is the blame on the 500K who didn't show up or that Terry-Katie-perry team couldn't figure out how to reach them and motivate them to show up
I just disagree with your approach of always blaming people for not voting.
In the US you don’t have to vote.
I would say the blame for Terry’s loss falls about 50% on Terry and 50% on Biden. I think that’s fair
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1. You're a white male who watches lots of typical white male tv shows and sports and the Republicans are targeting their denmographic with their ads.
But if white males are leaning GOP, shouldn’t it be a priority for Dems to target them? To counterpunch?
Modern American politics is about getting your base out… energizing your base
Something Terry McAuliffe absolutely did not do. I hope we can agree on that… He gave me no reason to vote for him other than his pathetic resort to linking Youngkin with Trump
Do we need to reach out to independent voters? Of course but it’s not the priority. You wouldn’t want to lose your base by going after the middle.
It just depends on how we define that group.
Someone will doubtlessly jump in and say energizing the Democratic base is what Bernie does but I disagree. The Democratic base is not progressive voters.
Just who are the Democratic and Republican bases these days?
Well that’s a complex question…
Progressive voters are an important part of the Democratic base.
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Something Terry McAuliffe absolutely did not do. I hope we can agree on that… He gave me no reason to vote for him other than his pathetic resort to linking Youngkin with Trump
I can agree with you on this
so is the blame on the 500K who didn't show up or that Terry-Katie-perry team couldn't figure out how to reach them and motivate them to show up
The reason why Youngkin won was because a good share of anti-Trunmp voters voted for Youngkin because they weren't happy with the perceived left wing turn they believe education has taken and because Youngkin was able to distance himself enough publically from Trump, even if he was talking to him on the phone all the time.
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X
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I just disagree with your approach of always blaming people for not voting.
so I do get it, but fuck them...they are willing to support dem policies when it's coinvent and I'm sure complain when the GOP takes charge
Voting in VA in 2021 was about as easy as it could get
I think if you could ask those 500k biden voters if they could do nov 2nd over again, they would vote for Terry-the-I-don't-know-what-you-stand-for-but-you-are-a-dem-and-not-GQP in a heart beat...at least 3 out of 4.
I'm sure they will bitch and moan when there are Gun Trucks on every corner, their kids are having to memorize bible verses for their weekly pop quiz and their daughters are getting virginity checks
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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/579991-carville-blames-stupid-wokeness-for-democratic-losses
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The wokeness excuse doesn’t really hold water. It’s just rebranded fear mongering a la DER GONNA TAKE MA GUNZ AWAY that GOP operatives know how to execute oh so well.
Just like CRT it was never going to happen. They just know how to rile up their base and get them to the polls.
Blame Terry for sitting on his ass and not running an effective campaign if anything.
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I think Dems think the middle of this country is socially liberal but financially conservative and the reality is the ideological middle of this country who decides elections is actually financially liberal and socially conservative. And when some people say Dems lose by being too woke, they're articulating this divide in a clunky (but still true) way.
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I just disagree with your approach of always blaming people for not voting.
so I do get it, but fuck them...they are willing to support dem policies when it's coinvent and I'm sure complain when the GOP takes charge
Voting in VA in 2021 was about as easy as it could get
I think if you could ask those 500k biden voters if they could do nov 2nd over again, they would vote for Terry-the-I-don't-know-what-you-stand-for-but-you-are-a-dem-and-not-GQP in a heart beat...at least 3 out of 4.
I'm sure they will bitch and moan when there are Gun Trucks on every corner, their kids are having to memorize bible verses for their weekly pop quiz and their daughters are getting virginity checks
[/quotlike the last time we had a Republican governor?
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Democrats like to believe if everyone voted Democrats would always win….
because it's true
yup. hence the GOP's emphasis on voter suppression. gerrymandering isn't enough anymore.
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Democrats like to believe if everyone voted Democrats would always win….
because it's true
yup. hence the GOP's emphasis on voter suppression. gerrymandering isn't enough anymore.
thank you for your support!
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Democrats like to believe if everyone voted Democrats would always win….
because it's true
yup. hence the GOP's emphasis on voter suppression. gerrymandering isn't enough anymore.
thank you for your support!
No it’s not true
Would Democrats win Oklahoma if everyone was forced to vote?
As far as Virginia why are we so sure Democrats would win on a statewide level if everyone was forced to vote?
Republicans don’t want to suppress all votes just Democrat votes.
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Would Democrats win Oklahoma if everyone was forced to vote?
Republicans don’t want to suppress all votes just Democrat votes.
well, maybe not OK, but I think the population of NOVA/Charlottesville/Richmond is bigger than the rest of the state...so yes I think VA would be blue if everyone voted (this whole forced to vote I never said)
you are correct, they actively come up with ways to suppress the dem vote...these elections are won on so few vote that it makes a huge impact
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Would Democrats win Oklahoma if everyone was forced to vote?
obviously not, just like repubs aren't going to win california. implied in this statement is "in competitive districts", i.e. where it's worth doing something.
Republicans don’t want to suppress all votes just Democrat votes.
that was also implied, but thanks for bringing that to the fore. obviously they don't want to shoot themselves in their collective foot.
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Really are there a ton more registered Democrats than Republicans in Virginia?
I mean there are a ton of Republicans that don’t vote either I mean do you have any evidence for your assertion other than back of the envelope calculations, if that, about the size of Virginia urban areas or is it just what you want to believe?
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Really are there a ton more registered Democrats than Republicans in Virginia?
never said that, Republicans are just way more motivated to vote....how do the dems appeal to the apathetic voter like the GQP is the question
do you have any evidence for your assertion
I got nothing...but it helps me sleep at night for some bizarre reason
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I mean isn’t part of the current Republican base low education low income white voters? You don’t believe there are a lot of those in Virginia? These people tend to vote in much lower numbers than high income voters o say where Democrats consistently win elections like Arlington where you live?
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Ok so you say you got nothing
Exactly
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These people tend to vote in much lower numbers than high income voters
what do you base this assertion on?
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VA is blue and I"m sticking with that
Terry had so little to offer and I think people just assumed they didn't need to show up with biden's 10point thumping a year ago
also there are a LOT of low income minority voters who don't vote either
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VA is blue and I"m sticking with that
Terry had so little to offer and I think people just assumed they didn't need to show up with biden's 10point thumping a year ago
also there are a LOT of low income minority voters who don't vote either
I see. Based on no facts you are sticking with your long rooted beliefs
I wonder who that reminds me of…..
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Let’s see a quick glance at Wikipedia tells me 60% of Virginia is non Hispanic white…about 20% black about 10% Hispanic
Interesting
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Let’s see a quick glance at Wikipedia tells me 60% of Virginia is non Hispanic white…about 20% black about 10% Hispanic
Interesting
you can't trust Wikipedia, the Jewish space laser command is manipulating everything you see
so of that 60%...how many are GQP...maybe 75%...so that's less than 50% of the population ...right?
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I would bet you 90% of Virginians have no idea how many percentage points Biden won Virginia by…
It’s a common misconception to think others must be like us… like because you know Biden won in a romp most people would know or remember that
Hell I bet you 20% of Virginians are convinced Trump beat Biden and with your logic they thought “I better stay home cause the Republican has this in the bag!”
We heard for a good couple of weeks - everywhere- that the election was going to be close. I don’t believe the difference came down- at all- to people thinking Terry had it in the bag. I don’t see this situation as analogous to Trump v Clinton.
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I see. Based on no facts you are sticking with your long rooted beliefs
These people tend to vote in much lower numbers than high income voters
what do you base this assertion on?
we all do it.
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I see. Based on no facts you are sticking with your long rooted beliefs
These people tend to vote in much lower numbers than high income voters
what do you base this assertion on?
we all do it.
Are you questioning the veracity of the assertion that high income voters are more likely to vote than lower income voters?
https://econofact.org/voting-and-income
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Anyways this has been fun! See you at the next post election thread where I look forward to sidehatch posting the same stuff. This is the first and last time - after decades of hearing it-I try to question his rationale on always saying that if Democrats all voted we would always win.
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well the real problem is apathy, not sure how we fix that
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Are you questioning the veracity of the assertion that high income voters are more likely to vote than lower income voters?
no, i'm saying we all play with words. you originally said "in much lower numbers" - that's a matter of interpretation, and the lower income voters increased their participation in 2020, closing the gap. you also said things like "I would bet you 90% of Virginians have no idea how many percentage points Biden won Virginia by…" and "Hell I bet you 20% of Virginians are convinced Trump beat Biden and with your logic they thought “I better stay home cause the Republican has this in the bag!”" i give you credit for counching you statements with "i bet" but you then proceeded to barrel forward as if your bets were gospel. we all do it, so you might wanna check yourself.
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But if I say they are bets I am expressing that it’s an opinion not a fact.
Sidehatch has been saying it as fact for decades.
I don’t see it as analogous
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analogous
the walky thread is over there!
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I mean a person goes around for decades saying something eventually you get called out for it: you got any facts?
It’s a major assertion Sidehatch is making and has been making for decades that if everyone voted Democrats would always win. Where is the beef Sidehatch?
That’s different from a person for the first time in his life saying “You know what? I bet…..”
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It’s a major assertion Sidehatch is making and has been making for decades that if everyone voted Democrats would always win. Where is the beef Sidehatch?
Well, I've learned now that I should say 'I bet' before any of my statements
I will like to follow up...this is an opinion, not a fact...but really seems like a fact
Also, this was always a view on the National Vote...kinda got jammed into a VA state vote this time around, and not willing to bet the house on that for sure
I bet that if all Americans who are eligible to vote, voted, we'd have dem majorities all over the place
there does that make you feel better, I never said this was a fact
also I really don't think I'm alone in this thinking...but maybe?
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You are definitely not alone.
Tons of Democrats think it…. I would even say it’s an almost universal view.
Nah…am still grouchy today
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Youngkin's 17 year old son tried to vote. Twice.
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Rigged!!
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Voting in VA was down 62% from 2020 to 2021 for voters under 30. It was down by 15% for those over 30. Also, Youngkin got close to 50% of the undeg 30 crowd. I guess we know who to blame.
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So the fat lady has not finished singing in the VA HOD
https://www.newsweek.com/virginia-begins-first-recount-state-races-that-will-determine-if-gop-reclaims-majority-1655584
What’s the over/under that Dems hold on to that majority?
Edit… zero chance. Hoping for a tie
However, if both races are potentially reversed after the recounts, Virginia's House would be locked at 50-50 at the statewide levels, which would likely force the parties to create some compromises.
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Ugh… I don’t even want to think about politics cause next year’s elections are going to be brutal
I was at Trader Joe’s a few days ago….all their prices have gone up 10%!
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so the GQP is now the Public Education party?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/584610-republicans-eye-gains-with-female-voters-after-virginia-rout
The percentage of white women who voted Republican in Virginia increased from 49 percent in 2020 to 57 percent in 2021,
Hutch needed to be on the T-mac campaign as he would have told him to focus on grocery shopping
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Ok, one silver lining to T-macs disgraceful loss, election reforms are not partisan
Take Virginia, for example. In 2020, Democratic governor Ralph Northam and the Democratic-controlled General Assembly enacted 45 days of no-excuse absentee voting, permitted Sunday voting, made Election Day a state holiday, and passed automatic voter registration for anyone with a Virginia driver’s license. That year, a record number of Virginians cast their ballots, and Democrats fared well. But a year later, voters set another turnout record. This time, Republican candidate Glenn Youngkin won the governorship and flipped the Virginia House of Delegates red. These types of election reforms are truly nonpartisan. They aren’t designed to benefit any one party over another. When we make voting accessible, the voters are the real winners.
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Is Youngkin worth of his own thread? If a teacher is teaching something that you don’t like, make sure you rat them out. Did you hear about the teacher who was teaching integration in calculus class? Shameful.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/01/24/youngkin-virginia-mask-mandates-ban/
In the interview, Youngkin also touted a tip line for parents to report to the state any school officials they find to be behaving objectionably — including teaching “divisive” subjects. Youngkin has issued an executive order and is backing legislation that seeks to ban concepts such as critical race theory, an academic construct about the history of systemic racism.
“We’re asking for folks to send us reports and observations,” Youngkin said, “help us be aware of … their child being denied their rights that parents have in Virginia, and we’re going to make sure we catalogue it all. … And that gives us further, further ability to make sure we’re rooting it out.”
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These sorts of issues are total losers…
The more time we spend arguing about CRT the worse we will do in the fall…the less schools will teach CRT and repeat..
Guess Youngkin winning wasn’t enough of a wake up call…
Democrats strategy seems to be to perpetually yell “racist!”
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These sorts of issues are total losers…
The more time we spend arguing about CRT the worse we will do in the fall…the less schools will teach CRT and repeat..
Guess Youngkin winning wasn’t enough of a wake up call…
Democrats strategy seems to be to perpetually yell “racist!”
I agree!
What issue are the Dems currently winning on, that they should turn the spotlight on?
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Absolutely zero.
They should shut the fuck up and get shit done and then run on it.
If they can’t actually get anything done then you make shit up.
If that’s not going well there’s always war. I am not into this option but for US standards it’s been a long time since the last one. I think going on one year which is unusual.
CRT is not just a huge turnoff to most whites. Latinos think it’s nuts.
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CRT is not just a huge turnoff to most whites.
the only thing that turns me off of CRT is the fact that the right has turned something that ISN"T BEING TAUGHT into a winning issue for them.
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I've said this on here a ton of times but I'll say it again: Democrats think swing-voters or suburbanites or whatever are inherently socially quite liberal and financially a bit conservative, and the reality is they're socially quite conservative and financially liberal.
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CRT is not just a huge turnoff to most whites.
the only thing that turns me off of CRT is the fact that the right has turned something that ISN"T BEING TAUGHT into a winning issue for them.
News flash you ain’t most whites Jack…. if you don’t get this you are the reason Democrats are going to get shellacked in November.
Come on man.
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I've said this on here a ton of times but I'll say it again: Democrats think swing-voters or suburbanites or whatever are inherently socially quite liberal and financially a bit conservative, and the reality is they're socially quite conservative and financially liberal.
Ok I get the socially part….totally agree
But what do you mean by financially liberal? What is that?
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CRT is not just a huge turnoff to most whites.
the only thing that turns me off of CRT is the fact that the right has turned something that ISN"T BEING TAUGHT into a winning issue for them.
News flash you ain’t most whites Jack…. if you don’t get this you are the reason Democrats are going to get shellacked in November.
Come on man.
never said i was most whites. not sure where you got that.
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News flash you ain’t most whites Jack…. if you don’t get this you are the reason Democrats are going to get shellacked in November.
you heard it here first, we now have a fall guy for the dismal showing for dems in 2022
But what do you mean by financially liberal? What is that?
Kinda thought the same thing...sounds like someone who has one of those bill guns to 'make it rain'
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Yeah the fall guy will be white liberals who don’t understand America… white liberals who are far wealthier than 80% of white Americans and think they give a shit about CRT…
You know…Bernie supporters…these people continually trying to move America as far left as they can as fast as they can…
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But what do you mean by financially liberal? What is that?
Like take an Elizabeth Warren idea and water it down 20% and it generally will poll quite well. The elements of the Affordable Care Act: poll quite well. A single payer option: polls quite well. Increased minimum wage: polls quite well. Class warfare in general: polls quite well.
My point is Dems think middle of the road voters deep down want transgender bathrooms bills passed but face an internal conflict on who to vote for because they also want lower taxes . . . when, in reality, what they want is to never have to think about racism but are, in fact, quite down with massively higher corporate taxes and infrastructure and jobs spending and things that put more money in their pocket.
The Dems lost white-working-class voters when they stopped acting like that group had economic challenges to address and started talking about how privileged they are compared to African-Americans or Latinos. (Then they lost Latinos when they started calling them Latinx, a thing none of them asked for.)
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Yeah the fall guy will be white liberals who don’t understand America… white liberals who are far wealthier than 80% of white Americans and think they give a shit about CRT…
You know…Bernie supporters…these people continually trying to move America as far left as they can as fast as they can…
Are Bernie supporters really the CRT and scream racism and transgender bathroom people? I thought Bernie people were people who are more about fighting for the working people, ala Julian's post that follows yours.
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Yeah the fall guy will be white liberals who don’t understand America… white liberals who are far wealthier than 80% of white Americans and think they give a shit about CRT…
You know…Bernie supporters…these people continually trying to move America as far left as they can as fast as they can…
Are Bernie supporters really the CRT and scream racism and transgender bathroom people? I thought Bernie people were people who are more about fighting for the working people, ala Julian's post that follows yours.
While I don't think the venn diagram of those two groups is a single circle, there's significant overlap in my opinion. Go find a CRT/transgender bathroom person and ask them their thoughts on Joe Biden vs. Sanders/Warren and tell us what you come up with.
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Yeah the fall guy will be white liberals who don’t understand America… white liberals who are far wealthier than 80% of white Americans and think they give a shit about CRT…
You know…Bernie supporters…these people continually trying to move America as far left as they can as fast as they can…
Are Bernie supporters really the CRT and scream racism and transgender bathroom people? I thought Bernie people were people who are more about fighting for the working people, ala Julian's post that follows yours.
While I don't think the venn diagram of those two groups is a single circle, there's significant overlap in my opinion. Go find a CRT/transgender bathroom person and ask them their thoughts on Joe Biden vs. Sanders/Warren and tell us what you come up with.
I dunno. My wife considers herself TERF sympathetic, supports racial equity but think Dems sometimes take racial stuff too far, wears a Bernie hoodie, and thinks Biden is too middle of the road in terms of financial class equity. Is she atypical?
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I would say she is atypical just on the fact that she at some point in her life found you compelling and attractive.
Yeah the fall guy will be white liberals who don’t understand America… white liberals who are far wealthier than 80% of white Americans and think they give a shit about CRT…
You know…Bernie supporters…these people continually trying to move America as far left as they can as fast as they can…
Are Bernie supporters really the CRT and scream racism and transgender bathroom people? I thought Bernie people were people who are more about fighting for the working people, ala Julian's post that follows yours.
While I don't think the venn diagram of those two groups is a single circle, there's significant overlap in my opinion. Go find a CRT/transgender bathroom person and ask them their thoughts on Joe Biden vs. Sanders/Warren and tell us what you come up with.
I dunno. My wife considers herself TERF sympathetic, supports racial equity but think Dems sometimes take racial stuff too far, wears a Bernie hoodie, and thinks Biden is too middle of the road in terms of financial class equity. Is she atypical?
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Is she atypical?
Let me just make sure I have this clear: you would like us to sound off on if your wife, Celeste, is a person we consider atypical writ large?
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I would say she is atypical just on the fact that she at some point in her life found you compelling and attractive.
I would feel badly for Space, but here's been here long enough to know not to throw this chum in the water.
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Yeah the fall guy will be white liberals who don’t understand America… white liberals who are far wealthier than 80% of white Americans and think they give a shit about CRT…
You know…Bernie supporters…these people continually trying to move America as far left as they can as fast as they can…
Are Bernie supporters really the CRT and scream racism and transgender bathroom people? I thought Bernie people were people who are more about fighting for the working people, ala Julian's post that follows yours.
While I don't think the venn diagram of those two groups is a single circle, there's significant overlap in my opinion. Go find a CRT/transgender bathroom person and ask them their thoughts on Joe Biden vs. Sanders/Warren and tell us what you come up with.
I dunno. My wife considers herself TERF sympathetic, supports racial equity but think Dems sometimes take racial stuff too far, wears a Bernie hoodie, and thinks Biden is too middle of the road in terms of financial class equity. Is she atypical?
Joke aside, yeah, man, I think your wife (and to some extent yourself as well) quite prides herself on being iconoclastic and not easily shoehorned into an archetypes and that applies on this topic as much as it does with her takes on . . . *gestures at every subject you've ever shared with us*.
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Is she atypical?
Let me just make sure I have this clear: you would like us to sound off on if your wife, Celeste, is a person we consider atypical writ large?
No, I meant are her politics atypical. Meaning she's a champion of the working class like Bernie, but doesn't really identify with all the identity politics of the Left. (and that doesn't make her racist.)
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No, I meant are her politics atypical. Meaning she's a champion of the working class like Bernie, but doesn't really identify with all the identity politics of the Left. (and that doesn't make her racist.)
Regardless, Celeste is not who I, or really anyone, has in mind when they talk about a middle-of-the-road voter or a swing voter. I feel she's a pretty solid Democratic voter, yeah?
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No, I meant are her politics atypical. Meaning she's a champion of the working class like Bernie, but doesn't really identify with all the identity politics of the Left. (and that doesn't make her racist.)
Regardless, Celeste is not who I, or really anyone, has in mind when they talk about a middle-of-the-road voter or a swing voter. I feel she's a pretty solid Democratic voter, yeah?
Yes, solidly Democratic. Democratic Socialist even. But more in line with working class issues than gender and racial identity issues.
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No, I meant are her politics atypical. Meaning she's a champion of the working class like Bernie, but doesn't really identify with all the identity politics of the Left. (and that doesn't make her racist.)
Regardless, Celeste is not who I, or really anyone, has in mind when they talk about a middle-of-the-road voter or a swing voter. I feel she's a pretty solid Democratic voter, yeah?
Yes, solidly Democratic. Democratic Socialist even. But more in line with working class issues than gender and racial identity issues.
OK, well, yeah, a Democratic Socialist is probably atypical by default. But regardless, what Celeste is or isn't doesn't speak to the correctness (or incorrectness) of the "Julian theory" of what a swing voter looks like.
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I don’t trust polling on this….it’s all in how you ask the question etc
People in America on average are fairly libertarian on economic issues: keep the government off of my back (taxes low) and let me keep my hard earned money.
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No, I meant are her politics atypical. Meaning she's a champion of the working class like Bernie, but doesn't really identify with all the identity politics of the Left. (and that doesn't make her racist.)
Regardless, Celeste is not who I, or really anyone, has in mind when they talk about a middle-of-the-road voter or a swing voter. I feel she's a pretty solid Democratic voter, yeah?
Yes, solidly Democratic. Democratic Socialist even. But more in line with working class issues than gender and racial identity issues.
OK, well, yeah, a Democratic Socialist is probably atypical by default. But regardless, what Celeste is or isn't doesn't speak to the correctness (or incorrectness) of the "Julian theory" of what a swing voter looks like.
And I guess my theory is that a white working class swing voter would be likely to be enthusiastic about Bernie's agenda, if they didn't have Fox News telling them Bernie is a Communist.
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And I guess my theory is that a white working class swing voter would be likely to be enthusiastic about Bernie's agenda, if they didn't have Fox News telling them Bernie is a Communist.
I think they'd be more enthusiastic about Bernie's agenda if it came out of Pete Buttigieg's mouth and every person who took part in a BLM protest HATED this hybrid Pete Buttigieg/Bernie person loudly on Twitter for reasons.
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we don't need no socialism to solve the world's problems!!!
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