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Title: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: raebyddet on September 02, 2003, 09:34:00 am
Ticketmaster is going to start auctioning off the best seats to concerts online.
 
 "The paper says there would be no limit on how high prices could go - it would be simply a matter of how much people were willing to pay."
 
 "The tickets are worth what they're worth," said Ticketmaster CEO and president John Pleasants, in an interview with the Times. "If somebody wants to charge $50 for a ticket, but it's actually worth $1,000 on eBay, the ticket's worth $1,000. I think more and more, our clients - the promoters, the clients in the buildings and the bands themselves - are saying to themselves 'Maybe that money should be coming to me instead of Bob the Broker.' "
 
 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/01/tech/main570971.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/01/tech/main570971.shtml)
 
 Not that it will really affect shows at the 930, but it doesn't seem like a good idea. I know this essentially happens already with the front row seats to a lot of concerts being sold by brokers on eBay. This would just seem to eliminate any chance for fans that don't have a lot of money to spend on concerts to get good seats.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 02, 2003, 10:22:00 am
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Originally posted by raebyddet:
  Ticketmaster is going to start auctioning off the best seats to concerts online.
 
 "The paper says there would be no limit on how high prices could go - it would be simply a matter of how much people were willing to pay."
 
 "The tickets are worth what they're worth," said Ticketmaster CEO and president John Pleasants, in an interview with the Times. "If somebody wants to charge $50 for a ticket, but it's actually worth $1,000 on eBay, the ticket's worth $1,000. I think more and more, our clients - the promoters, the clients in the buildings and the bands themselves - are saying to themselves 'Maybe that money should be coming to me instead of Bob the Broker.' "
 
  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/01/tech/main570971.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/01/tech/main570971.shtml)
 
 
Translation:
 
 "Profits are down  for Ticketmaster and Clear Channel and the stockholders aren't happy.   So in order pay for all the debts and executive bonuses we have found a way to screw the consumer even more.  The service fees alone on a $1000 ticket will more than cover the extra security costs required when Bob the Broker starts losng money.
 
 Personally I'm hoping to cash in some stock options after the stock price goes up..."
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 02, 2003, 10:25:00 am
so seriously how long before they withdraw this new policy?  and will regulators continue to give the blind eye to ticketmasters, give they have the largest share of ticketing for shows and are clearly using that to really stick it to consumers now.  bring on the fan clubs!
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 10:33:00 am
as this is essentially the same as scalping tickets, I think I should also be allowed to sell tickets to the highest bidder outside of a sold out show, just before it starts.
 
 In all seriousness if ticketmaster sell 1 ticket for $100, can other tickets then be legally resold at that price, or does it have to be the face price still, even if both are GA?
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Bags on September 02, 2003, 10:37:00 am
You're right, Markie.  Ticketmaster can do this, but they're going to bust me outside the venue for selling a ticket at any price?
 
 And the concern here is not that front row tickets go for $1000, but that prices to all tickets to a sold-out show will rise to insane amounts.  And just about every band has fans willing to pay whatever they have to, raising the overall market price.
 
 Regulators (who regulates this, by the way?) can't allow this.  If costs are based solely on market-driven indicators, then the seller has to be proven to have no market power.  Actually, this may be the wedge to finally open that door so that a ruling can be made that Ticketmaster has inordinate and unacceptable market power here.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 10:44:00 am
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Originally posted by bags:
 If costs are based solely on market-driven indicators, then the seller has to be proven to have no market power.  
I did not know that.....
 
 as TM has most shows and all ticketing at a particular show, it would put them in an untenable situation. YAY!
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Metal Meltdown on September 02, 2003, 10:55:00 am
this has been a terrible year for concerts..they should go for it and alienate the consumer a little more....
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 02, 2003, 11:01:00 am
the end of the world is coming...for sure.
 
   i am waiting for the inevitable "anal cavity search" before entering any venue.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: mankie on September 02, 2003, 11:05:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 
 
   i am waiting for the inevitable "anal cavity search" before entering any venue.
you and Rhett.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: mankie on September 02, 2003, 11:12:00 am
You know, the solution is really quite simple...DON'T BUY TICKETS FOR SHOWS THAT YOU THINK ARE OVERPRICED. I didn't go to college but I think in economics there's something called "supply and demand".  ;)   As long as people pay it they'll keep raising the prices.
 
 Bitching about it while pulling out your wallet is not going to change anything.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 02, 2003, 11:17:00 am
so the "fans" get to "control" the price the of the first ten rows at a show... does this mean that ticket brokers are going to close up shop?  of course not it just means that they will still be buying up tickets and getting whatever the corporate ticket buyer is willing to pay for them.  and they'll be able to get close to whatever the "fans" paid for the best tickets.  in fact it will make it easier for them to justify what they charge.  of course the rest of the crowd gets to pay loads for the the right to sit in the nose bleed sections having been locked out by those willing to pay a premium.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 11:22:00 am
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Originally posted by mankie:
  DON'T BUY TICKETS FOR SHOWS THAT YOU THINK ARE OVERPRICED.
but when a show sells out, that means it is underpriced? So by that logic TM is correct in auctioning tickets.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 02, 2003, 11:24:00 am
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Originally posted by mankie:
  You know, the solution is really quite simple...DON'T BUY TICKETS FOR SHOWS THAT YOU THINK ARE OVERPRICED. I didn't go to college but I think in economics there's something called "supply and demand".   ;)    As long as people pay it they'll keep raising the prices.
 
 Bitching about it while pulling out your wallet is not going to change anything.
the problem is, mank, HOW LONG are we going to have to "protest" and not see the bands we want to so that prices will come back down, 1 year? 2? 5? , i mean, i dont want to wait til i am 30 to start being able to go back to shows....
 
   its a tradeoff i suppose, and there are maybe 2 bands i will pay more than $50 for, but still!! This is CERTIANLY not a way to "let the fans control" at all, thats a lie and everyone knows it.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: ggw on September 02, 2003, 11:26:00 am
They should implement this policy for all tickets.
 
 Therefore, a not-so-popular show would sell tickets for their market value.  If not enough people were interested at $20, the tickets would sell for say, $3.00.
 
 I'm curious about what happens to the money.  Does TM get to keep the excess profit? Or, does it go to all parties involved in the concert?
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 02, 2003, 11:27:00 am
I do think this is really only going to affect a small FEW of the shows we go to though. I doubt this will affect that many of the club shows....more like the stadium/arena/ampitheather type shows, which i have been to 3 of all year...and 2 were Radiohead.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 11:32:00 am
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
  Therefore, a not-so-popular show would sell tickets for their market value.  If not enough people were interested at $20, the tickets would sell for say, $3.00.
 
 
This would obviously be a very good deal for venues as more bums in a a show means more drink sales. But it would nice not to be gouged on the high end.
 
 Nothing beats the convenience of buying a ticket directly for a fixed price though.
 
 I mean, how many people who post here have bought tickets for shows off of ebay?
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: ggw on September 02, 2003, 11:37:00 am
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
  I mean, how many people who post here have bought tickets for shows off of ebay?
I haven't specifically used eBay, but I've paid up to brokers if that's what it takes.
 
 Six of one, half-dozen the other if you ask me.  Brokers tend to get the best seats anyway, and set higher prices.  So now TicketMaster is doing it.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 02, 2003, 11:42:00 am
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
 
Quote
I haven't specifically used eBay, but I've paid up to brokers if that's what it takes.
 
 Six of one, half-dozen the other if you ask me.  Brokers tend to get the best seats anyway, and set higher prices.  So now TicketMaster is doing it. [/b]
Yeah, I have bought tickets on Ebay, but i dont like it....i have sold a couple on Ebay as well....and as far as I am concerned, brokers buy up the best seats anyway, so either way you aint loggin onto tm.com and getting your 3rd row tickets.....i mean, the only reason anyone got close at Radiohead is from WASTE, same with most bands with fan clubs.....fuck it....it may affect me once a year....
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: mankie on September 02, 2003, 11:48:00 am
I was just making a general statement, not having a go at anyone or trying to start a rebellion. But I will say that if you are paying these high prices for these tickets then don't complain about it...it's a SHOW for crying out loud..if you were bitching about the cost of a life-saving medical procedure I would have a more sympathetic ear. There's quite a few shows I've skipped this year because I thought they were overpriced. I tend to calculate the cost of the evening rather than just the ticket price. Ticket, parking, couple of beers etc.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: chknfngrs on September 02, 2003, 11:53:00 am
I thought a ticket was worth the price printed on it.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Sir HC on September 02, 2003, 12:14:00 pm
So what will happen?  Will ticket brokers out bid up thereby upping the cost for good seats even further (add more middlemen and the price just has to go up).  I can not see this being good as it will legitimize the higher prices for scalped tickets.  I guess this will not work for general admission shows, but I guess they will work around that with some bogus VIP section stuff at some venues.
 
 In the end, another nail in the coffin of the music industry.  If they don't get their act together and deal with their greed issues then live shows will go the way of the recording industry.
 
 Speaking of which, there was an article in Money Magazine (or something like that, it was while getting my car fixed) which had a big article about how bands are again making money solely from touring and how their recording labels are trying to get in on that action too by wanting a portion of the concert money.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 02, 2003, 12:20:00 pm
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
  So what will happen?  Will ticket brokers out bid up thereby upping the cost for good seats even further (add more middlemen and the price just has to go up).  I can not see this being good as it will legitimize the higher prices for scalped tickets.  I guess this will not work for general admission shows, but I guess they will work around that with some bogus VIP section stuff at some venues.
 
 In the end, another nail in the coffin of the music industry.  If they don't get their act together and deal with their greed issues then live shows will go the way of the recording industry.
 
 Speaking of which, there was an article in Money Magazine (or something like that, it was while getting my car fixed) which had a big article about how bands are again making money solely from touring and how their recording labels are trying to get in on that action too by wanting a portion of the concert money.
a relative of mine and ex-Universal employee told me once that less than $1 of a CD sale was given to the artist, while less than 10% of concert money was given to the label.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 12:50:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
  I'm curious about what happens to the money.  Does TM get to keep the excess profit? Or, does it go to all parties involved in the concert?
This was exactly one of the things that I wondered about. I don't trust those bastards for a second!
 
 Though I didn't bother to read the article, I also wonder about the service charges and suspect that the conivers will turn to a percentage fee for auctions recognizing that they will haul in truckloads more money for higher priced tickets.
 
 I've already heard that there is software (for a fee) for people to bid on ebay so that it sends your bid in at the last minute or so so that you can win a bid at the lowest cost. I'm sure it's usually professional resellers who use it. And I'm sure that the brokers and scalpers will be the most likely to use something like this to screw the true fan out money and of yet another means of access to their music.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: ggw on September 02, 2003, 01:00:00 pm
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
 Speaking of which, there was an article in Money Magazine (or something like that, it was while getting my car fixed) which had a big article about how bands are again making money solely from touring and how their recording labels are trying to get in on that action too by wanting a portion of the concert money.
I read that the Polyphonic Spree ponied up some of their future concert revenue for their new contract.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: bearman🐻 on September 02, 2003, 02:48:00 pm
I agree with Mankie here. I love Social Distortion, but the thought of seeing them at the MCI Center for the Boom Boom Huckjam thing was absurd. I'd rather pay $25 to see them at the 930. If the price is too much, then that's it...just don't go. If people stop paying a certain amount for certain bands, they'll be forced to tone down the huge production and big budgets and just narrow it down to a smaller venue and an audience that will pay less cash.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Bags on September 02, 2003, 04:29:00 pm
The New York Times has a more in-depth article that discusses other new TicketBastard ideas.  It makes my blood boil.  I must boycott TicketBastard completely.  They *charge* you to print your own ticket, goddamn motherfuckers!?!?!?!
 
 September 1, 2003
 Ticketmaster Auction Will Let Highest Bidder Set Concert Prices
 By CHRIS NELSON
 
 Three years after Ticketmaster introduced ticketFast, its online print-at-home ticketing service, consumers have so embraced it that the company now sells a half-million home-printed tickets for sporting and entertainment events each month in North America. Where ticketFast is available, 30 percent of tickets sold are now printed at home, said the company, which is by far the nation's largest ticket agency.
 
 But consumers â?? many of whom have complained for years about climbing ticket prices and Ticketmaster service charges â?? may be less eager for the next phase of Ticketmaster's Internet evolution.
 
 Late this year the company plans to begin auctioning the best seats to concerts through ticketmaster.com.
 
 With no official price ceiling on such tickets, Ticketmaster will be able to compete with brokers and scalpers for the highest price a market will bear.
 
 "The tickets are worth what they're worth," said John Pleasants, Ticketmaster's president and chief executive. "If somebody wants to charge $50 for a ticket, but it's actually worth $1,000 on eBay, the ticket's worth $1,000. I think more and more, our clients â?? the promoters, the clients in the buildings and the bands themselves â?? are saying to themselves, `Maybe that money should be coming to me instead of Bob the Broker.' "
 
 EBay has long been a busy marketplace for tickets auctioned by brokers and others. Late last week, for example, it had more than 22,000 listings for ticket sales.
 
 Venue operators, promoters and performers will decide whether to participate in the Ticketmaster auctions, Mr. Pleasants said. In June, the company tested the system for the Lennox Lewis-Vitali Klitschko boxing match at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. The minimum bid for the package â?? two ringside seats, a boxing glove autographed by Mr. Lewis and access to workouts, among other features â?? was $3,000, and the top payer spent about $7,000, a Staples Center spokesman, Michael Roth, said.
 
 Once the auction service goes live, Ticketmaster will receive flat fees or a percentage of the winning bids, to be decided with the operators of each event, said Sean Moriarty, Ticketmaster's executive vice president for products, technology and operations.
 
 Along with home printing, auctions are central to "a new age of the ticket," Mr. Pleasants said. In the second quarter of this year, tickets sold online, with or without home printing, represented 51 percent of Ticketmaster's ticket sales. The rest were sold by phone or at walk-up locations.
 
 Ticket Forwarding allows season ticket holders for several sports teams (including the New York Knicks, Rangers and Giants) to e-mail extra tickets to other users, with Ticketmaster charging the sender $1.95 per transaction.
 
 TicketExchange provides a forum for season ticket holders to auction tickets online. The seller and buyer pay Ticketmaster 5 percent to 10 percent of the resale price, a fee the company splits with the team.
 
 In the case of the ticketFast home-printing service, buyers pay an additional $1.75 to $2.50 per order, with the fee set by the event operator. Home printing has won converts among people who want tickets immediately, instead of receiving them by mail or a delivery service or having to stand in line at a will-call window.
 
 One satisfied customer is Brian Resnik, 29, of Tampa, Fla., who says the home-printing fee is a bargain compared with the $19.50 that Ticketmaster charges for two-day shipping through United Parcel Service.
 
 But some other users, who praised the convenience of home printing, objected to being charged an extra fee.
 
 "It's kind of mind-boggling to me," said Joe Guckin, 41, of Philadelphia, who used ticketFast to buy tickets for a Baltimore Orioles home game last season. "You're printing up the ticket, on your printer at home, your paper, your ink, etc. â?? and you have to pay for that?"
 
 The company replies that home-printing consumers are helping to pay for the technology that makes the service possible.
 
 Ticketmaster has spent $15 million to $20 million to outfit almost 700 stadiums, arenas, theaters and concert halls in this country and Canada with bar-code scanners that read and authenticate the tickets and computers that capture information such as which seats are filled and which doors have the most traffic, Mr. Moriarty said. In 2003, the company has sold 400,000 to 600,000 ticketFast tickets each month.
 
 Some ticketFast customers, like Diane DeRooy, 52, of Seattle, complain that Ticketmaster assesses a lot of fees even before levying the print-at-home charge. A ticket to see Crosby, Stills & Nash on Friday at the PNC Bank Arts Center in Holmdel, N.J., for example, carries $13.80 in venue, processing and convenience fees, plus a $2.50 charge for the home-printing option. Without the fees, a ticket costs $30.25 to $70.25.
 
 Many of those customers are skeptical about Ticketmaster's plans to auction the best seats to concerts.
 
 "The band's biggest fans ought to have the best seats, not the band's richest fans," said Tim Todd, 47, of Kansas City, Mo., who used ticketFast recently to buy tickets for a concert by the rock group Phish. Ticketmaster would be, in essence, official scalpers, Mr. Guckin said, voicing a sentiment expressed by some other customers.
 
 Industry watchers agree that auctions will affect all concertgoers. Prime seats are undervalued in the marketplace, said Alan B. Krueger, a professor at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, who has studied ticket prices. He predicts that once auctions begin revealing a ticket's market value, prices as a whole will climb faster.
 
 Gary Bongiovanni, editor of the concert industry trade magazine, Pollstar, predicted that all ticket prices would become more fluid. After a promoter assesses initial sales from an auction, remaining ticket prices could be raised or lowered to meet goals.
 
 The notion of ticket auctions is annoying, Mr. Resnik said, but he is resigned to them.
 
 "I guess the capitalist inside me would say, `Hey, if that's what they can get for tickets, I guess that's just something I can't afford, like a yacht and a Learjet.' "
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 02, 2003, 04:39:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggw™:
   
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
 Speaking of which, there was an article in Money Magazine (or something like that, it was while getting my car fixed) which had a big article about how bands are again making money solely from touring and how their recording labels are trying to get in on that action too by wanting a portion of the concert money.
I read that the Polyphonic Spree ponied up some of their future concert revenue for their new contract. [/b]
are the Polyphonic Spree really going to sell that many more records while on a major?  me thinks a great publist will be a better return on the money they are giving back to the record company.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 02, 2003, 04:40:00 pm
me thinks that visa and mastercard are behind this one as well...  think of the finance charges on all those tickets people really can't afford will add up to!
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 04:45:00 pm
Some of this, especially the home ticketing option, reminds me of some of what has destroyed the travel agencies. Years ago, I use to be a travel agent and I witnessed the airlines doing some things like this which helped to destroy the business. This was well before 9/11 and before all that many people were online.
 
 For one, they conditioned the passengers to expect the agents to get seat assignments and print the boarding passes for them. The airlines use to pay for each pass printed. Then they stopped paying the agents but the passengers expected the printed passes. And you all know how damned expensive printer ink is, not to mention other stock. Then they cut the commissions to agents yet fees were continually levied on the passengers.....Well, that's a completely different story but I can see the same kinds of money games being passed onto the music fans.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Celeste on September 02, 2003, 04:46:00 pm
it's just an example of a truly free-market economy in microcosm here, guys...if you really care, you must revolt and refuse to buy any tickets through ticketmaster at all...I don't think we buy many tickets through ticketmaster, actually...it is possible not to
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: ggw on September 02, 2003, 04:47:00 pm
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
 are the Polyphonic Spree really going to sell that many more records while on a major?  me thinks a great publist will be a better return on the money they are giving back to the record company.
No.  I think the label (Hollywood Records, I believe) was smart enough to see that the draw of PS is as a touring act.  Therefore, they asked for a cut of the touring proceeds as part of the contract.
 
 What PS gets in return for this that makes it attractive for the band, well, that I don't know.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: ggw on September 02, 2003, 04:51:00 pm
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  it's just an example of a truly free-market economy in microcosm here, guys...if you really care, you must revolt and refuse to buy any tickets through ticketmaster at all...I don't think we buy many tickets through ticketmaster, actually...it is possible not to
Amen.
 
 Ticketmaster is providing a service.  Sure, they suck. But if you don't like it and don't think it's worth the price they are asking, don't use it.  Because every time somebody buys a ticket through Ticketmaster, they are implicitly saying that the service is worth the price.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 04:51:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
 
 
 What PS gets in return for this that makes it attractive for the band, well, that I don't know.
Well they have an album waiting to be released.
 
 Robbie Williams deal meant the record lable got monies from his concerts. As he just played to half a million people in three nights it is easy to imagine how EMI might get their 80 milion back.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 04:53:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
  Amen.
 
 
[Devil worshipper]
 
 What happens if tickets are only availble via ticketmaster.  say if the venue does not sell its own tickets? Isnt DAR that way?
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 04:56:00 pm
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Originally posted by bags:
  Once the auction service goes live, Ticketmaster will receive flat fees or a percentage of the winning bids, to be decided with the operators of each event, said Sean Moriarty, Ticketmaster's executive vice president for products, technology and operations.
 
Well, it looks like I called that one right.    :roll:
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Sir HC on September 02, 2003, 04:58:00 pm
So I now remember, it was Forbes magazine and it was in general talking about how some of these acts (Jay Z was the main example) make all their money off everything but albums and now the labels want in but they have nothing new to offer most bands.  Maybe PS was looking as they might just flop so get money now for the risk of failure (thought they are in a VW commercial right now).  Still I have been talking with friend's in bands, and so far this year 3 bands I know have been screwed by their labels (60 watt Shamen, Nothingface, and The Toilet Boys).  Not huge names, but you can't get there if no one will back you.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on September 02, 2003, 05:01:00 pm
You can get DAR tickets at the venue on the day of show, presuming it doesn't sell out. Don't know if the service charge differs from ticketmaster.
 
 
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
  Amen.
 
 
[Devil worshipper]
 
 What happens if tickets are only availble via ticketmaster.  say if the venue does not sell its own tickets? Isnt DAR that way? [/b]
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 05:13:00 pm
Ok I have a scenario,
 
 the white stripes annonce they are playing a 3000 seater venue in 10 weeks time.
 
 TM decides to release all tickets on ebay. But it only releases 150 pairs of tickets every week. It does not tell people there are more tickets to be sold at the end of the first or subsequent allocations.
 
 There will be massive demand for tickets amongst fans. Bidding wars break out and for the first three weeks people are getting gounged for over a $100 a ticket, some paying considerably more.
 
 Is that a good way for a band to treat its fans and a good way for TM to generate money? The most ardent fans will be the ones paying the highest prices.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: ggw on September 02, 2003, 05:14:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
 What happens if tickets are only availble via ticketmaster.  say if the venue does not sell its own tickets? Isnt DAR that way?
Then decide whether or not the show is worth the ticket price + $10, or whatever the service charges are.
 
 Or, write the band and DAR and tell them that you won't be going to the show because it is impossible to purchase tickets for the advertised price.
 
 Or. go down there the night of the show and buy tickets from some poor sap outside.  But only pay him the face value of the ticket.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: mankie on September 02, 2003, 05:20:00 pm
If someone pays $100 for White Stripes tickets I have absolutely no sympathy whatsofuckingever..they deserve to get ripped off.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 05:20:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
   Then decide..............  
fine suggestions, but this way if there is no fixed ticket price, the scalper can charge what he wants.
 
 More impotantly it is a way of getting the maximum amount of money out of people for a show. I would have paid $50 to have seen the tyde the other night. It cost $7.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: jpbelmondo on September 02, 2003, 05:22:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggw™:
 
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
 [qb]are the Polyphonic Spree really going to sell that many more records while on a major?  me thinks a great publist will be a better return on the money they are giving back to the record company. [/b]
Actually, as a 26-musician band, not to mention crew, the Spree requires a massive amount of tour support to be able to play gigs around the country (bus rental, hotels and meals for 30-odd people, insurance, per diems, etc.) Though there are some economies to their larger scale, I imagine this would be at least four times the amount that a standard 4-piece band would require. Their deal gives them enough money for all of them to quit their day jobs and play as much as they can.  They don't need a better publicist -- they have press out the wazoo.  What they need is an audience, and the best way for them to get that is to tour. And be in VW ads.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 05:22:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
  Ok I have a scenario,
 
 the white stripes annonce they are playing a 3000 seater venue in 10 weeks time.
 
 TM decides to release all tickets on ebay. But it only releases 150 pairs of tickets every week. It does not tell people there are more tickets to be sold at the end of the first or subsequent allocations.
 
 There will be massive demand for tickets amongst fans. Bidding wars break out and for the first three weeks people are getting gounged for over a $100 a ticket, some paying considerably more.
 
 Is that a good way for a band to treat its fans and a good way for TM to generate money? The most ardent fans will be the ones paying the highest prices.
And then Jack White breaks another finger the night before the show....   :eek:  
 
 Anarchy in Detroit!!!
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: jadetree on September 02, 2003, 05:24:00 pm
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Originally posted by jpbelmondo:
  they have press out the wazoo.
really? walk around and ask random people if they have heard of them, bet most have not
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: mankie on September 02, 2003, 05:28:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
 
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fine suggestions, but this way if there is no fixed ticket price, the scalper can charge what he wants.
 
  [/b]
WRONG! the scalper can charge as much as people are willing to pay. If more people refused to pay the high prices they would drop.
 
 You (the concert going public) have only yourselves to blame.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Celeste on September 02, 2003, 05:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
  Amen.
 
 
[Devil worshipper]
 
 What happens if tickets are only availble via ticketmaster.  say if the venue does not sell its own tickets? Isnt DAR that way? [/b]
Don't go to the show...sometimes you have to make sacrifices for something you believe in
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 05:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by jadetree:
   
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Originally posted by jpbelmondo:
  they have press out the wazoo.
really? walk around and ask random people if they have heard of them, bet most have not [/b]
They do in the UK but I don't think they have anywhere as much here. They obviously aren't a Clear Crap or MTV sanctioned band.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: ggw on September 02, 2003, 05:33:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
  Ok I have a scenario,
 
 the white stripes annonce they are playing a 3000 seater venue in 10 weeks time.
 
 TM decides to release all tickets on ebay. But it only releases 150 pairs of tickets every week. It does not tell people there are more tickets to be sold at the end of the first or subsequent allocations.
 
 There will be massive demand for tickets amongst fans. Bidding wars break out and for the first three weeks people are getting gounged for over a $100 a ticket, some paying considerably more.
 
 Is that a good way for a band to treat its fans and a good way for TM to generate money? The most ardent fans will be the ones paying the highest prices.
First, I think under the proposed plan, the band has to agree to it.
 
 Second, of course the most ardent fans would pay the highest price, as the product has a higher value for them.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Bags on September 02, 2003, 05:34:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
   Then decide..............  
I would have paid $50 to have seen the tyde the other night. It cost $7. [/b]
You had to say that, Markie, didn't you.....    :(  
 They're not playing Black Cat.  I'm so very sad.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 02, 2003, 05:34:00 pm
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Originally posted by mankie:
  If someone pays $100 for White Stripes tickets I have absolutely no sympathy whatsofuckingever..they deserve to get ripped off.
just outta curiosity, since i know you are just trying to wind someone up, but have you even heard a white stripes record or seem them live?  like the happy mondays not every song the duo has recorded is a classic, but both groups put on a killer live show.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: mankie on September 02, 2003, 05:35:00 pm
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Originally posted by Celeste:
 
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Don't go to the show...sometimes you have to make sacrifices for something you believe in [/b]
You should change your user name to "joan of arc"
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 05:37:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
 First, I think under the proposed plan, the band has to agree to it.
 
If it becomes common practice, then bands will agree. Or "our label made us" will be heard.
 
 there are a lot of shows that I would have paid far more than the face ticket price. Am I the only one in this situation?
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 05:37:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
  Ok I have a scenario,
 
 the white stripes annonce they are playing a 3000 seater venue in 10 weeks time.
 
 TM decides to release all tickets on ebay. But it only releases 150 pairs of tickets every week. It does not tell people there are more tickets to be sold at the end of the first or subsequent allocations.
 
 There will be massive demand for tickets amongst fans. Bidding wars break out and for the first three weeks people are getting gounged for over a $100 a ticket, some paying considerably more.
 
 Is that a good way for a band to treat its fans and a good way for TM to generate money? The most ardent fans will be the ones paying the highest prices.
First, I think under the proposed plan, the band has to agree to it.
 
 Second, of course the most ardent fans would pay the highest price, as the product has a higher value for them. [/b]
And GGW comes up with his second career move of the day: TicketsByGGW.com.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 02, 2003, 05:39:00 pm
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Originally posted by jpbelmondo:
   
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Originally posted by ggw™:
 
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
 [qb]are the Polyphonic Spree really going to sell that many more records while on a major?  me thinks a great publist will be a better return on the money they are giving back to the record company. [/b]
Actually, as a 26-musician band, not to mention crew, the Spree requires a massive amount of tour support to be able to play gigs around the country (bus rental, hotels and meals for 30-odd people, insurance, per diems, etc.) Though there are some economies to their larger scale, I imagine this would be at least four times the amount that a standard 4-piece band would require. Their deal gives them enough money for all of them to quit their day jobs and play as much as they can.  They don't need a better publicist -- they have press out the wazoo.  What they need is an audience, and the best way for them to get that is to tour. And be in VW ads. [/b]
now it makes sense, seeing as not every indie label is going be able to front the tour support the PSpree is going to need.  So signing with a major in order to get that money is away of hedging ones bet that they can reach a bigger audience and there fore record sales by touring.  lets hope that recoup their costs via record sales and concerts to actually make money.  thanks for info!  :D
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 05:40:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
 First, I think under the proposed plan, the band has to agree to it.
 
If it becomes common practice, then bands will agree. Or "our label made us" will be heard.
 
 there are a lot of shows that I would have paid far more than the face ticket price. Am I the only one in this situation? [/b]
Which would have been more than offset by how many shows that I would have MISSED if they had cost me anymore.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 05:40:00 pm
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Originally posted by bags:
  You had to say that, Markie, didn't you.....     :(  
 
sorry strike that then.
 
 <rose tinted post for bags only> I would have given $50 to have seen the tyde, but I would have been terribly dissappointed if I had <rose tinted post for bags only>
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: jadetree on September 02, 2003, 05:41:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
  there are a lot of shows that I would have paid far more than the face ticket price. Am I the only one in this situation?
I can't think of a show that I would pay more than $100 for and not very many I would pay over $50 for, unless there were lots of acts involved.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: mankie on September 02, 2003, 05:41:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
 
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[QB]there are a lot of shows that I would have paid far more than the face ticket price. Am I the only one in this situation? [/b]
There are some shows I was willing to pay scalper prices but always got lucky and managed to find some poor chump with a spare ticket available or something.
 
 I never have, but have been prepared to. That's why I'm saying if you pay it stop yer whinging.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 05:44:00 pm
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
  Which would have been more than offset by how many shows that I would have MISSED if they had cost me anymore.
Oh I doubt it. Some shows I would have paid a lot for. Take the high strung or Cinerama or Lambchop.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 05:48:00 pm
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Originally posted by jadetree:
   I would pay over $50 for, unless there were lots of acts involved.
how about GBV or Dandy Warhols?
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: jadetree on September 02, 2003, 05:52:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
 how about GBV or Dandy Warhols?
don't think so, if it was for GBV and it was that much it would probably mean a large venue, and the experience would lose a lot of what makes it worth that kind of money, and even if it was in a small venue, I would probably pay 50 for it, but not much more, ask me again about Dandy Warhols after I see them, but I would not pay it if it was the first time I was seeing them
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Bags on September 02, 2003, 05:52:00 pm
Hmmm, actually when I buy scalped tickets, it's usually because I want to pay *less* than face value (i.e., the Journey/Styx/Reo Speedwagon extravaganza at MCI that I got great seats for at less than face value because we waited until after the show started).
 
 I'm usually on the ball, so I always get tickets to shows I want to see.  For now, the only reason to pay a lot for a show is that you didn't get a ticket.  
 
 But, sure, there are bands I'd pay lots to see(some I won't admit to here).  But I don't want to pay Ticketbastard for the privilege.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Bags on September 02, 2003, 05:53:00 pm
PS, thanks for the rose-tinted post, markie, I needed that!
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 05:58:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
  Which would have been more than offset by how many shows that I would have MISSED if they had cost me anymore.
Oh I doubt it. Some shows I would have paid a lot for. Take the high strung or Cinerama or Lambchop. [/b]
Well, some people have more disposable income than others and some of us put more of a priority on concert going. All of that has to be weighed out. And then people like Sonic and I have other factors to consider. In my case, I have a 125 mile drive with rising gas prices. I've already missed a whole lot of shows that I would have loved to have seen for some of the above reasons. And then a few were missed out of just not feeling like taking that long ass haul.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Fico on September 02, 2003, 06:00:00 pm
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Originally posted by mankie:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 
 
   i am waiting for the inevitable "anal cavity search" before entering any venue.
you and Rhett. [/b]
Funniest comeback I've seen in a while mankie..you gave him the ole Manc Kirby Grip right there..
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Bags on September 02, 2003, 06:01:00 pm
You're on the money, Jaguar.  Plus, the real effect prices like those possible under these scenarios will have on me is cutting down on my concert-going posse.  I put a very high priority on seeing music, but not all of my friends do.  And while I'll do it, I prefer not to go to shows alone.
 
 Oh, this is making me sad!!  (Again!  Damn, must be hormones.  Hope to hell no long distance commercials are on during the Boy Meets Boy finale tonight.)
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 06:06:00 pm
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Originally posted by bags:
  Oh, this is making me sad!!  (Again!  Damn, must be hormones.  Hope to hell no long distance commercials are on during the Boy Meets Boy finale tonight.)
Chocolate!
 
 I'm serious. Stop at the store on the way home from work and buy lots of chocolate.
 
 Best drug out there, short of Vioxx.   :p
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Celeste on September 02, 2003, 07:56:00 pm
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
  I have a 125 mile drive with rising gas prices...
you save $$$ on rent though, right? at least you don't have to cough up the dough for DC rents
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Fluffy on September 02, 2003, 08:20:00 pm
Well I honestly didn't believe it was possible for ticketmASSter to sink any lower. Guess I was wrong!!! This will make ticketmasterbater no better than the scalpers they condemn. Venues and bands need to work together to get ticketassmaster out of the loop. Let the clubs and fan clubs sell the tix. Screw TM!!!
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Sir HC on September 03, 2003, 10:26:00 am
This will end up being like friggin' airplane tickets.  You always have that feeling that everyone around you paid less for the flight, now the same thing at concerts.  Nothing could be more annoying than people bragging about how much or little they paid to see the show.  One more thing for the motorheads to spew on about while the bands are playing.
 
 And yes there have been shows I would have paid over $100 for, but mostly after the fact, before hand with that risk involved, hell no.  As you say, Jack White might break his finger right before the show...
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: jpbelmondo on September 03, 2003, 12:56:00 pm
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Originally posted by jadetree:
   
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Originally posted by jpbelmondo:
  they have press out the wazoo.
really? walk around and ask random people if they have heard of them, bet most have not [/b]
That's probably true, though I bet many have heard the VW ad and not known who the band was.  My point was not that they are popular, or well known, but that they have gotten massive amounts of press -- articles in every major music magazine, and extensive coverage in dailies and weeklies, including a full page article in the Post -- for a band which has only released a demo (re-released this summer on Hollywood) and has toured the US only once.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 03, 2003, 01:01:00 pm
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Originally posted by jpbelmondo:
  only released a demo  
a demo? Their album is for sale in DCCD. Would you call that a demo?
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Jaguär on September 03, 2003, 03:00:00 pm
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Originally posted by Celeste:
   
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
  I have a 125 mile drive with rising gas prices...
you save $$$ on rent though, right? at least you don't have to cough up the dough for DC rents [/b]
But we are paid a lot less money per equal job.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Seth Hurwitz on September 04, 2003, 07:54:00 am
on the one hand, supply & demand will determine what tickets ought to be, which might be good.
 
 on the other hand, the wealthiest people will have the best seats, which is fine for Billy Joel, but I'm not sure it creates the bond that newer bands need to establish with their fans.
 
 I think the theory here was to simply take the top tier tickets out of the hands of scalpers so that these people could keep that markup themselves. what everyone needs to understand is that "these people" are the bands. TicketMaster is not going to be the ones to keep that extra money. The bands are the top of the heirarchical pyramid, and don't  ever let anyone try and USATODAY you otherwise. the whole reason that Pearl Jam took that fight on was because they hated the idea of someone else having any control. it had NOTHING to do with the consumer.
 
 by the way, I have yet to be approached by anyone about doing this sort of sales.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: jpbelmondo on September 04, 2003, 11:48:00 am
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   
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Originally posted by jpbelmondo:
  only released a demo  
a demo? Their album is for sale in DCCD. Would you call that a demo? [/b]
It was originally recorded in 2 or 3 days (and sounds like it) as a demo to get them gigs, and they released it themselves when they saw there was a demand.  Hollywood picked up the rights to it this year.  So, yes, I'd call it a demo, just like those typically not-so-polished bonus tracks which were originally recorded for demo purposes but yet eventually wind up on a commercial release are still called demos.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: thirsty moore on September 04, 2003, 11:51:00 am
Artists sell demos all the time.  Two examples that come to mind are Ryan Adams' Demolition album and Sonic Youth's Blow Job (Goo sessions).
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: markie on September 04, 2003, 11:57:00 am
is the white stripes elephant a demo?
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 17, 2022, 11:02:13 am
https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/an-open-letter-to-paul-mccartney-regarding-ticket-prices/

Conservatively, if I bought the cheapest tickets, I would be looking at $700 to take my parents to your show and sit far enough away that we will not be able to see you.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Starsky on May 17, 2022, 11:14:30 am
I was just looking into tickets

I have never seen Paul…never really cared but was thinking maybe I should


It looks like $300 for nosebleeds at Camden

I was a bit surprised
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Space Freely on May 17, 2022, 11:26:35 am
https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/an-open-letter-to-paul-mccartney-regarding-ticket-prices/

Conservatively, if I bought the cheapest tickets, I would be looking at $700 to take my parents to your show and sit far enough away that we will not be able to see you.

Hey Ryan, there's lots of great $20 shows you can take your parents too. Alternatively, spending $720 for a gift for your parents isn't that much if you tell them it's their next five years of gifts rolled into one gift.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Starsky on May 17, 2022, 11:41:45 am
I mean obviously if the shows all sell out why not maximize revenue?

I just think it’s a bit crass….unbecoming…. I expect it from the Stones but I guess it’s my problem if I have a double standard


It’s probably the highest average ticket price I have seen yet…

It’s hard to do the right thing when you are that popular and rich…what is the right thing?

Just seems exorbitant…at some point yes you can charge whatever you want if the market bears it but it’s obscene

Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on May 17, 2022, 01:56:27 pm
Glad I saw him the last few times he was around.  Paid high ticket fees but nothing like these upcoming shows.

I mean obviously if the shows all sell out why not maximize revenue?

I just think it’s a bit crass….unbecoming…. I expect it from the Stones but I guess it’s my problem if I have a double standard


It’s probably the highest average ticket price I have seen yet…

It’s hard to do the right thing when you are that popular and rich…what is the right thing?

Just seems exorbitant…at some point yes you can charge whatever you want if the market bears it but it’s obscene
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: GAY,GUY on May 17, 2022, 02:03:57 pm
Public - "Stop charging money for your art."

Artist - "Fuck you."  Raises prices.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 19, 2022, 04:42:29 pm
jez this effort to get ahead of the scalpers is really screwing the fans IMO
Seems insane, but obviously there are enough fans out there with deep pockets for this

Bill Burr
Sep 15 Capital One Arena, Washington, DC

nosebleeds start at $75 and $350 if you want to be in the front sections

I don't even like Burr, I was just curious
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: grateful on May 19, 2022, 04:45:57 pm
Seems insane, but obviously there are enough fans out there with deep pockets for this


And fans who don't know any better. I refuse to buy platinum priced tickets on principle.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on May 21, 2022, 03:14:22 pm
jez this effort to get ahead of the scalpers is really screwing the fans IMO
Seems insane, but obviously there are enough fans out there with deep pockets for this

Bill Burr
Sep 15 Capital One Arena, Washington, DC

nosebleeds start at $75 and $350 if you want to be in the front sections

I don't even like Burr, I was just curious

I like Bill. I am surprised he's playing arenas, good for him.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 21, 2022, 03:47:09 pm
I like Bill. I am surprised he's playing arenas, good for him.
yeah, I don't hate the guy by any means, he's pretty funny. I'm just shocked what face value floor tickets go for I'd say a B level comedian
Jez, just saw kevin nealand and Jay Mohr in places smaller than DC9, for less than a nosebleed at Bill's show (yes, barely C level. I'll admit that)
but just pricing to shows in general has really gone kind of insanse just in the last few years ...
but obviously my opinion doesn't line the pockets off the people making money on this
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: grateful on May 21, 2022, 06:57:05 pm
The $350+ ticket is platinum pricing, yes? I always filter out those seats before buying...
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on May 22, 2022, 08:51:17 pm
Are the IMP venues Ticketmaster box offices as well? "Box office" sounds so 1980, but I'm wondering if I can save the service fees and buy tickets for other Ticketmaster events at other venues at the 9:30 or Anthem box offices.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 23, 2022, 08:49:25 am
Are the IMP venues Ticketmaster box offices as well? "Box office" sounds so 1980, but I'm wondering if I can save the service fees and buy tickets for other Ticketmaster events at other venues at the 9:30 or Anthem box offices.
I just bought at tix at the 9:30 box office and they are still doing only the $1 fee!
but don't think that applies to all TM shows, just IMP ones.  Now I don't know if you can buy any TM event, I don't think you can
it is likely the same system, they probably just have a policy that it's only IMP
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on May 23, 2022, 09:40:31 pm
I just bought at tix at the 9:30 box office and they are still doing only the $1 fee!
but don't think that applies to all TM shows, just IMP ones.  Now I don't know if you can buy any TM event, I don't think you can
it is likely the same system, they probably just have a policy that it's only IMP

Thanks, that's why I asked. I remember "back in the day" you could buy TM tickets at any TM venue and save yourself the service fees. But this was also in the days of paper tickets, which are damn well prehistoric now.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 21, 2022, 07:30:33 am
Apparently Springsteen tickets are worth a lot

Bruce Springsteen Fans Furious at Ticket Prices Going as High as $4-5K, Due to Ticketmaster’s ‘Dynamic Pricing’

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/bruce-springteen-ticketmaster-ticket-prices-rise-thousands-dynamic-pricing-1235321657/

Saw this on the Twitter last night

https://twitter.com/carynrose/status/1549912913888018433?s=21&t=lnpdN_oD-ZfSO_DnNIs4bQ
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Starsky on July 21, 2022, 08:04:02 am
Well he only got $500 million for his catalog a couple of months ago so he is hurting for cash.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2022, 08:31:12 am
wow that twitter feed was crazy
Literally no idea what the difference is between these two GA tickets except one is $1200 less than the other.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYJlmafXkAEXFqC?format=jpg&name=large)

also the case with Platinum - no singles except GA
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYJpmavWYAAq1Td?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: sweetcell on July 27, 2022, 05:08:47 pm
Apparently Springsteen tickets are worth a lot

Bruce Springsteen Fans Furious at Ticket Prices Going as High as $4-5K, Due to Ticketmaster’s ‘Dynamic Pricing’

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/bruce-springteen-ticketmaster-ticket-prices-rise-thousands-dynamic-pricing-1235321657/ (https://variety.com/2022/music/news/bruce-springteen-ticketmaster-ticket-prices-rise-thousands-dynamic-pricing-1235321657/)

Saw this on the Twitter last night

https://twitter.com/carynrose/status/1549912913888018433?s=21&t=lnpdN_oD-ZfSO_DnNIs4bQ (https://twitter.com/carynrose/status/1549912913888018433?s=21&t=lnpdN_oD-ZfSO_DnNIs4bQ)

The Case of the $5,000 Springsteen Tickets (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/26/your-money/bruce-springsteen-tickets.html)
Triumphant fans showed up in Ticketmaster’s queue with special codes, only to encounter its “dynamic pricing” system. Was the Boss OK with that?
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/07/27/business/27money/27money-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp)
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on July 27, 2022, 06:51:17 pm
The whole Springsteen fanbase is up in arms (backstreets.com/btx).  Kind of amusing to read.  I've seen Bruce 80-90 times (I think) many times in GA against the rail.  I would never pay the base fees he is charging prior to the TM dynamic pricing mark-up BS. 

My brother somehow got Springsteen GA tix for Baltimore at face (still ridiculously high $399/ticket plus TM fees).  I told him to put them on stubhub for $5000/ticket and see what happens.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 27, 2022, 08:44:10 pm
I've seen Bruce 80-90 times (I think) many times in GA against the rail. 
Oh, brother, let’s find you some help. This doesn’t have to be your life.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on July 27, 2022, 08:49:00 pm
Since 1980 so 2 a year more or less?

I've seen Bruce 80-90 times (I think) many times in GA against the rail. 
Oh, brother, let’s find you some help. This doesn’t have to be your life.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: grateful on July 27, 2022, 08:55:28 pm
I mean, that's probably more frequently than i saw the dead, 1988-1995
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Starsky on July 27, 2022, 08:56:24 pm
I seen him twice. Once at Vote for Change 2004 at Verizon center and once about 2012 at Nats Park (a friend invited me). Bruce puts on a great show but it’s just not for me…

On subway ride  back home I sat next to David Corn ….we talked a bit about the election..like a day or two later he released that tape that undid Romney

Draw your own conclusions…..
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on July 27, 2022, 09:24:41 pm
Damn. And I'm not willing to pay $150 to sit in nosebleeds to watch RATM at Verizon Center.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on July 28, 2022, 07:38:35 am
And also some people have seen Ween 2x's or more . Which is worse really?


Since 1980 so 2 a year more or less?

I've seen Bruce 80-90 times (I think) many times in GA against the rail. 
Oh, brother, let’s find you some help. This doesn’t have to be your life.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Yada on July 28, 2022, 07:38:39 am
Damn. And I'm not willing to pay $150 to sit in nosebleeds to watch RATM at Verizon Center.

To be fair,  I wouldn't pay $10 to sit in the nosebleeds to see RATM.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Yada on July 28, 2022, 07:39:57 am
And also some people have seen Ween 2x's or more . Which is worse really?


Since 1980 so 2 a year more or less?

I've seen Bruce 80-90 times (I think) many times in GA against the rail. 
Oh, brother, let’s find you some help. This doesn’t have to be your life.

Cock has always seemed a little bitter about being left out of the ween circle jerk. But after hearing claims of seeing the boss 100x and being a #strings Head, it all makes sense.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2022, 08:51:57 am
And also some people have seen Ween 2x's or more . Which is worse really?
OK, you have a very valid point there, sir. If we're triaging, I need to focus on the ween folks and you can wait. Please have a seat in the waiting room and we'll call your name.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on July 28, 2022, 08:57:02 am
To be fair,  I wouldn't pay $10 to sit in the nosebleeds to see RATM.

I would. $10 would be worth it.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: grateful on July 28, 2022, 09:25:27 am
And also some people have seen Ween 2x's or more . Which is worse really?


Since 1980 so 2 a year more or less?

I've seen Bruce 80-90 times (I think) many times in GA against the rail. 
Oh, brother, let’s find you some help. This doesn’t have to be your life.

Cock has always seemed a little bitter about being left out of the ween circle jerk. But after hearing claims of seeing the boss 100x and being a #strings Head, it all makes sense.


10,000


Epic
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2022, 09:36:19 am
And also some people have seen Ween 2x's or more . Which is worse really?


Since 1980 so 2 a year more or less?

I've seen Bruce 80-90 times (I think) many times in GA against the rail. 
Oh, brother, let’s find you some help. This doesn’t have to be your life.

Cock has always seemed a little bitter about being left out of the ween circle jerk. But after hearing claims of seeing the boss 100x and being a #strings Head, it all makes sense.


10,000


Epic
He backdoor stats-ed his way into the User Curated HoF, I think at this point. Can't leave a 5-figure poster out.
Title: Re: The tickets are worth what they're worth
Post by: grateful on August 02, 2022, 04:49:28 pm
I've seen Bruce 80-90 times (I think) many times in GA against the rail. 
Oh, brother, let’s find you some help. This doesn’t have to be your life.

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