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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: HoyaSaxa03 on February 11, 2005, 02:32:00 pm
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while the forum provides so much time for work diversions, i need a little diversity in my day, which is why fantasy sports are the best invention since sliced bread ....
shit-talking is also essential to fantasy sports (and this board, it seems), so let's get a yahoo! baseball league going for the board .... any takers??
be forewarned, i'm a sabermetrics nerd who much prefers to use 5x5 system like: OBP / SLG / HR / RBI / R ... WHIP / ERA / W / Ks / SVs
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Environmental think tanks don't get much work these days, so they? And that wasn't really your "girlfriends" UVA shirt, was it?
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Environmental think tanks don't get much work these days, so they? And that wasn't really your "girlfriends" UVA shirt, was it?
yeah, you seem like a real nose-to-the-grind kinda guy yourself .... and, yes, it was my girlfriend's shirt, why else would i own a UVA shirt?
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guess i should have check on this before opening my mouth ... looks like they're not signing up leagues yet (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/), probably another week or two ....
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oliver perez is this year's johan santana. book it. go bucs!
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I'm down for this...always wanted to be in a fantasy league,...
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Who do you fantisize about more, Johnny Damon or A-Rod?
Originally posted by Fico:
I'm down for this...always wanted to be in a fantasy league,...
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DUH!!!!!
<img src="http://www.onthejohnnews.com/images/damon.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by BookerT:
oliver perez is this year's johan santana. book it. go bucs!
Last year in our league a guy drafted Odalis Perez in the early rounds and I said, "Did you mean to say Oliver Perez?"
He said, "Who's Oliver Perez?"
I said "Nevermind."
I drafted him in the next to last round. And I named my team "Who's Oliver Perez?"
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by BookerT:
oliver perez is this year's johan santana. book it. go bucs!
Last year in our league a guy drafted Odalis Perez in the early rounds and I said, "Did you mean to say Oliver Perez?"
He said, "Who's Oliver Perez?"
I said "Nevermind."
I drafted him in the next to last round. And I named my team "Who's Oliver Perez?" [/b]
the fantasy basketball league i'm in right now is called "kobe raped your sister" ... we're real classy gents ....
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I drafted him in the next to last round. And I named my team "Who's Oliver Perez?"
you drafted Oliver Perez??? isn't he a Pirate? a no-no in fanasy leagues.....
my first pick is David Wells....
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i'll play NL only league.
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I'm in no doubt. Play AL/NL.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by vansmack:
I drafted him in the next to last round. And I named my team "Who's Oliver Perez?"
you drafted Oliver Perez??? isn't he a Pirate? a no-no in fanasy leagues.....[/b]
Perez had a sub 3.00 ERA in over 30 starts, with a greater than 1-1 SO to innings pitched ratio. Only Randy Johnson was better.
Jack Wilson hit .308 and had 201 hits as a shortstop.
Jay Bay hit 26 HRs in his rookie season and he missed the first two months.
Craig Wilson hit 29 HRs, despite having a plummeting batting average in the second half of the season. Oh, and he was catcher eligible.
I don't even need to mention Jason Kendall over the last 6 seasons. He will be missed, (but his paycheck won't be).
Jose Mesa had 43 saves on a sub .500 team.
Anything else about the fantasy value of the Bucs?
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Isn't all baseball fantasy? I mean doesn't ones mind tend to wander into fantasy while you're waiting for something to happen down on the field?
And do you know why they have cheerleaders during runny-catchy games? So there's something interesting to see....
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I always "fantasized" about a live-action Board softball game...that might be fun...
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This will be my 10th year in the Maine league I play in. We play don't play the rotisarie style that suggested at the beginning of this thread. It's more of a point system. We keep six players from year to year, this year I kept Todd Helton, Mike Lowell, Adrian Beltre, Bartolo Colon, Roger Clemens and Danny Kolb. The saddest thing was waiving Larry Walker who I've had the past nine years. I'm hoping to get him back in the draft. As for Oliver Perez, he was protected in our league.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
I always "fantasized" about a live-action Board softball game...that might be fun...
I've often fantasized about Celeste, but it had nothing to do with soft balls! :D
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oh dear!
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aiight, let's do this ....
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/register/joinprivateleague (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/register/joinprivateleague)
league id: # 78680
password: keaneissocool
basically my philosophy with running a fantasy league is:
a) get the best representation as possible of a player's value, if the stat category is old and outdated, don't use it.
b) don't have a team full of superstars, that's just boring, you should have to troll the waiver wires for people like cesar izturis and see who's getting called in up in the fall
that said, i made it a total of 14 teams, with a bunch of players on each team, so the talent is diluted ...
i threw a bunch of stat categories in there, and most of them can be up for debate ... but i really like having holds (gives set-up men real value), OBP, and SLG.
we'll definitely have a live draft, i'll have to change that option when we get the league filled up and we decide on a date/time.
let me know if you have any questions/suggestions
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i need a little diversity in my day, which is why
What happened to "Mr. HoyaSax Goes to Washington" (LSATs)? Sorry, I'm out, I'm concentrating on spring training.
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Originally posted by El Tee:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i need a little diversity in my day, which is why
What happened to "Mr. HoyaSax Goes to Washington" (LSATs)? Sorry, I'm out, I'm concentrating on spring training. [/b]
huh? not understanding you there ...
law school in the fall, dunno where yet
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::bump::
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we have five teams signed up right now, need 3-9 more to call it a league ... get off your asses and sign up!!
by the way, if you have signed up, post your team name on here so we know who you are (i'm "The Chosen Team")
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i signed up a few days ago but backed out once i saw how many categories there were. doubles as a category? huh? there's no reason for there to be more than 6 hitting and 6 pitching categories, dontcha think?
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i signed up a few days ago but backed out once i saw how many categories there were. doubles as a category? huh? there's no reason for there to be more than 6 hitting and 6 pitching categories, dontcha think?
like i said here and on the message board, i was just screwing around with the stat cat's and we can change them if there's popular demand ... i'm no autocrat!
but that said, i think doubles and triples could be really interesting categories ... i'm just looking for categories that best sum up a player's value ... which is why i included holds for set-up men ... it shouldn't drastically change the way you draft players, you just might want to look at juan pierre or carl crawford a bit differently with triples included ...
if people want to cut it down though, i'd have no objections to just going to:
OBP / SLG / R / HR / RBI / SB
and
W / SV / K / HLD / ERA / WHIP
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5 x 5 at the most...in my opinion.
freddy adu = wooly monkeys
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Originally posted by freddyadu:
5 x 5 at the most...in my opinion.
freddy adu = wooly monkeys
what do you think about the 6 x 6 format i spelled out above?
to cut one out of batting, we could combine OBP + SLG to OPS, or we could cut SBs ... being a billy beane / moneyball fan, i think SBs are a generally BS stat, and i'd much rather cut that than combine OBP and SLG
i really want to keep Holds, so I'm not sure what else I would take out of the pitching cat's ... and you can't really have 6 pitching cat's and 5 batting cat's, it overvalues pitchers ...
thoughts?
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Fico = Licey Tigers
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where's .avg?
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i am a traditionalist...i have been playing 4 x 4 for 9 years, but i played one league of 5 x 5 two years ago. i don't like OBP and SLG because you can't find them in the box score. SBs and AVG you can...
just my two cents.
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Personally, I would get rid of OBP and SLG and put AVG. You have to keep SB's for the Juane Pierre/Carl Crawford guys. I would also take out Holds and just make it a 5X5 league. Like I said, just my opinion, I'm more of a fantasy baseball player and not a Roto players.....Sorry.
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This isn't my kind of league, no doubt. Way too many categories. And no draft? I like the game enough though to play by pretty much any rules. If there is going to be a 9:30 League, I'm in. And oh yea...Go Pantywaists!
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by freddyadu:
5 x 5 at the most...in my opinion.
freddy adu = wooly monkeys
what do you think about the 6 x 6 format i spelled out above?
to cut one out of batting, we could combine OBP + SLG to OPS, or we could cut SBs ... being a billy beane / moneyball fan, i think SBs are a generally BS stat, and i'd much rather cut that than combine OBP and SLG
i really want to keep Holds, so I'm not sure what else I would take out of the pitching cat's ... and you can't really have 6 pitching cat's and 5 batting cat's, it overvalues pitchers ...
thoughts? [/b]
5X5 is the best option, I agree. Holds are pointless, although cutting SB's wouldn't bother me, and I'm no Billy Beane Fan.
Keithstg = captain madras
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well, i haven't played in a league with .AVG as a stat in about 5 years, but popular consensus rules ...
how about:
AVG / HR / RBI / R / SB
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W / SV / ERA / WHIP / K
if you've never played with holds, you have no idea what you're missing, it adds a whole new dimension to the game ... and when you think about it, the whole purpose of fantasy sports is to assess a value to a player ... set-up men are absolutely crucial to a team, and holds help show their worth ... AVG is a complete bullshit stat when compared to OPS, but, like i said, popular consensus rules ...
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Yeah, I love holds. We had them in a fantasy league a few years back, and it helped my team immensely: It's just a completely realistic stat.
I like average too, but it doesn't really say much in and of itself. OPS is a far better measure of a hitter's value to a team. Gwynn hit for avg, but with no runs scored, few RBIs, and very little in the way of slugging... well...
Anyway, tenfifteen == Government Darlings
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ok, i think consensus has it to make it 4x4 or 5x5, no problem there ... let's have a vote for AVG vs. OBP or OPS ...
for all of you traditionalists who are scared by OBP and SLG, there's really nothing to worry about, yahoo will sort through all the stats for you when you research players through them ... ALSO, i do a spreadsheet every year where i tally up all the stats from the previous year for every player, it's pretty easy and it helps when you're in 6 leagues all with different stat cat's ... SO, i'll send this spreadsheet to everyone in the league so we all have even footing, which will help if you're unfamiliar with OBP and SLG ...
Barry Bonds had a .609 OBP last year ... .609!!
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freddyadu: AVG
tenfifteen: OPB or OPS
hoyasaxa: OPB or OPS
keep em coming...
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by the way, we have 9 teams right now, we have room for another 5 if anyone else is interested ...
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I dont really have a preference on stats
my team is Tropic of Nipples
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I'd say if your not gonna do AVG., then do the OPS. I'm still not convinced about the Holds, I think the same players that would give you good holds will also help you out tremondously with ERA and WHIP. I know they don't pitch as many innings but alot of those Holds guys pitch 60-70 games a year.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I'd say if your not gonna do AVG., then do the OPS. I'm still not convinced about the Holds, I think the same players that would give you good holds will also help you out tremondously with ERA and WHIP. I know they don't pitch as many innings but alot of those Holds guys pitch 60-70 games a year.
I agree, they still have some worth for ERA and WHIP, but holds give them the value they really should have ... pitchers like brad lidge (early last season), tom gordon, osuka, etc, etc are nearly as important as closers to teams, and when you're competing for a whole diff. stat cat like holds, you fight over those players just as hard as you do closers
rob, are you in the league? what's your vote?
freddy: AVG
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
pollard: indifferent
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You don't have to talk up Brad Lidge, I know from last year just how dominant he was, he was in my division and definetely helped that guy come from behind at the end of the year and beat me. If I never hear his name again, it would be fine with me. I'm not in the league yet, I'll look into signing up.
My vote would be On Base Percentage, that way walks account for something.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You don't have to talk up Brad Lidge, I know from last year just how dominant he was, he was in my division and definetely helped that guy come from behind at the end of the year and beat me. If I never hear his name again, it would be fine with me. I'm not in the league yet, I'll look into signing up.
Hah, I made it a point to draft him in every league I was in last year, usually was able to get him in the last two rounds ... he was a BEAST ...
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He was a thorn in my side!!!!!!!!!!
But everyone laughed at me last year when I drafted Adrian Beltre in the 13th round. People who had him the three years before that was like, "You can have him". He was just a backup for Lowell anyways, so I didnt care. But obviously by the middle of the season he was my DH. :D
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I'd say if your not gonna do AVG., then do the OPS. I'm still not convinced about the Holds, I think the same players that would give you good holds will also help you out tremondously with ERA and WHIP. I know they don't pitch as many innings but alot of those Holds guys pitch 60-70 games a year.
I agree, they still have some worth for ERA and WHIP, but holds give them the value they really should have ... pitchers like brad lidge (early last season), tom gordon, osuka, etc, etc are nearly as important as closers to teams, and when you're competing for a whole diff. stat cat like holds, you fight over those players just as hard as you do closers
rob, are you in the league? what's your vote?
freddy: AVG
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
pollard: indifferent [/b]
AVG.
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The Evil Empire has just joined :D
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ok, i joined. my team name is pretty obvious. all the leagues i'm in are the traditional 5x5, but i'm fine with obp instead. i'm still skeptical of holds, but it seems like the commish is really for it. guys like tom gordon, juan rincon and k-rod still had plenty of value in 5x5 (more than closers like smoltz, hoffman, etc. at least according to espn's player rater).
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Originally posted by BookerT:
ok, i joined. my team name is pretty obvious.
Obvious cause you called yourself "Bums"? ;)
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freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
pollard: indifferent
keep em coming ... we have 11 teams now, so we're missing 4 votes ... room for 3 more teams ...
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
well, i haven't played in a league with .AVG as a stat in about 5 years, but popular consensus rules ...
how about:
AVG / HR / RBI / R / SB
and
W / SV / ERA / WHIP / K
i like that a lot! i just think OBP or SLG is a good indicator of a player's worth, but it's a bit like that quarterback rating in the NFL. part of the fun of fantasy bball is looking at your players on a daily basis in the box score.
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Sorry, this might have been mentioned before. Is this gonna be a live draft in person, or over the computer.......I have a friend that wants to join. I know we're trying to make this forum people but I'm not sure we can get three more from here. Let me know.
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i think yahoo has it set up so that you can have a live draft or you can pre-rank the players if you cannot be there. i did the live draft in football and it lasted 15 minutes at the most because it went so fast.
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Yeah, football one's usually last about an hour at the most. Baseball though is much more difficult with all the positions, number of players and catagories.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Sorry, this might have been mentioned before. Is this gonna be a live draft in person, or over the computer.......I have a friend that wants to join. I know we're trying to make this forum people but I'm not sure we can get three more from here. Let me know.
I know it will be tough to work around everyone's schedules, but I would almost insist on a live draft ... I hate it when you have to rank players ... Rob, let's give it a few more days before we open it up, sound good?
Freddy, I hear what you're saying about AVG, but you can read a box score and realize that 2 BBs and 1 hit in 5 plate appearances means 3/5, right? SLG is pretty easy to read with a box score too, if you have ichiro you get 1 total base for every fucking single he hits, but if you see your hitter with a bunch of doubles or HRs, you know he's doing better ... and the "Box Score" you'll see every day on yahoo! is very good ...
that said, i think we should just continue voting and see what happens...
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I don't care between OBP and AVG - as long as both of them aren't there at once.
Please do a live draft! To me, its always been one of the most exciting parts of fantasy leagues. Everyone isn't going to make it - and if I'm one of those people, so be it. But I've always felt that the live draft brings alot of fun and it kind of personalizes your team.
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Sounds good. I'll keep him on stand by. I think the best solution, although time consuming. Might be a chat room draft. I've seen it done for football. We'd have to start really early though and people would have to consistently check the board to see if its there turn. Its not quite a live draft, and it takes awhile, but its probably better than Yahoo picking for us.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Sounds good. I'll keep him on stand by. I think the best solution, although time consuming. Might be a chat room draft. I've seen it done for football. We'd have to start really early though and people would have to consistently check the board to see if its there turn. Its not quite a live draft, and it takes awhile, but its probably better than Yahoo picking for us.
That's how the Yahoo live drafts work, you go into a java-script chatroom and pick your players while you talk shit to everyone ... it takes maybe 1.5 hrs, maybe a little more ...
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Originally posted by freddyadu:
how about having something to play for? another experience i've had playing free leagues is that people drop out and leave their rosters "rotting".
i would put up to $20 into a pot and maybe we can buy gift certificates to see shows at the 9:30 club. i think that would keep people interested.
eh?
i agree ... i'm more partial to putting $20 in a pot and having cash prizes for 1st 2nd and 3rd, but 930 gift certificates seem apropos here, maybe we could get an official sponsorship??
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from bad experiences, I dont play in cash leagues, so thats cool if you do that, but just let me know if you are and I'll back my team out
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
from bad experiences, I dont play in cash leagues, so thats cool if you do that, but just let me know if you are and I'll back my team out
Exactly, teams out of contention tend to stack a buddy of theirs so they get some kind of small cut.
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Sorry I'm not going to be able to join fella's, but I'm in two leagues already that take up too much of my time as it is.
Just for argument sake though, all of you are arguing traditional vs. modern and OPS/OBP/AVG, yet nobody has brought up the over-glorification of the home run?
HR hitters help you in every offensive category in a traditional 5X5 or 4X4 league, yet it will take a random mix of pitching players (starters, setup, and closers) to win the myriad of pitching categories, but the best HR hitters at each position will get you Runs, AVG, OBP/OPS, HRs and RBI everytime they hit a HR. Odd.
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So wouldn't that mean wins are over glorified for a pitcher? Most of your winningist pitchers will have the most strikeouts and best ERA's and WHIP's. Not saying all of them, but then again alot of over 20 home run hitters have a below .300 batting average. Beltran for example, horrible batting average last year, but decent in most other catagories, and somehow the bastard is making well over $100 million. He shoulda stayed in Houston so he could help my boy Clemens out on my other fantasy team. :(
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
So wouldn't that mean wins are over glorified for a pitcher?
No because you can't get a hold, a save and a win with one guy at one time. And you're not guaranteed that your WHIP or your ERA will be better after the win - he could have given up 15 hits and 6 runs but his team scored 14 for him. And you're certainly not guaranteed K's. The pitching categories are that diversified.
But with a single swing for a HR, your AVG, R, RBI, OPS, OBP, are all increased. the only thing he didn't do was steal a base. That's all I'm saying.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Just for argument sake though, all of you are arguing traditional vs. modern and OPS/OBP/AVG, yet nobody has brought up the over-glorification of the home run?
HR hitters help you in every offensive category in a traditional 5X5 or 4X4 league, yet it will take a random mix of pitching players (starters, setup, and closers) to win the myriad of pitching categories, but the best HR hitters at each position will get you Runs, AVG, OBP/OPS, HRs and RBI everytime they hit a HR. Odd.
I agree ... i'm including doubles and triples in the other leagues i'm running to try to offset the emphasis placed on HRs by fantasy ... and while it can be a rally killer to hit an HR, someone who hits 40 a year is pretty damn valuable to a team ... you should try not to "double-count" stats, and by including SLG and HRs (and not doubles/triples) as stat cats, you are making HR hitters more valuable than doubles/triples hitters ... but you also need to make fantasy accessible to people playing, and it's real easy to track a players HR totals ...
i'm also including defensive assists in my other leagues ... i tried using fielding pct last year , but it's just such a horrible indicator of fielding aptitutde ... i'd really love it if yahoo could somehow include the Baseball Workshop & Project Scoresheet's "Defensive Average" or STATS, Inc.'s "Zone Rating" into the stat cats, guess it's too much of a pipe dream ...
Defensive Average or [DA]
The Baseball Workshop & Project Scoresheet has been methodically placing the location of EVERY hit ball for EVERY game during the last several years. A Defensive Average, or DA, is the rate at which fielders in their respective "zone" turn hit balls into an out. The zone, or area of responsibility, spans the entire field and no section of the playable field is considered beyond the reach of a fielder. The Defensive Average statistics is nice because it is analogous to a fielder's Batting Average Against in that it specifically measures times reached per opportunity.
Zone Rating [ZR]
STATS, Inc. developed their own defensive rating system to also track locations of EVERY hit ball for EVERY game played - similar to the above Defensive Average statistic. The Zone Rating system is different because the area of responsibility, or zone, for each fielder is considered a "playable" area and does not account for balls hit into "Bermuda Triangles", "No Mans Land" or other impossible to field balls. A fielder that turns a double play is credited with 2 outs in the ZR system as their play on the ball actually resulted in both outs versus Defensive Average which only credits the 1 out. STATS, Inc. books area available at every bookstore and their work is updated on a yearly basis for player comparisons.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
So wouldn't that mean wins are over glorified for a pitcher?
No because you can't get a hold, a save and a win with one guy at one time. And you're not guaranteed that your WHIP or your ERA will be better after the win - he could have given up 15 hits and 6 runs but his team scored 14 for him. And you're certainly not guaranteed K's. The pitching categories are that diversified.
But with a single swing for a HR, your AVG, R, RBI, OPS, OBP, are all increased. the only thing he didn't do was steal a base. That's all I'm saying. [/b]
Yeah, it's "doublecounting" to have an HR as a stat, but not to count any other kind of hit ... the way around this would be to also "double count" doubles and triples (maybe even singles)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
No because you can't get a hold, a save and a win with one guy at one time. And you're not guaranteed that your WHIP or your ERA will be better after the win - he could have given up 15 hits and 6 runs but his team scored 14 for him. And you're certainly not guaranteed K's. The pitching categories are that diversified.
But with a single swing for a HR, your AVG, R, RBI, OPS, OBP, are all increased. the only thing he didn't do was steal a base. That's all I'm saying. [/QB]
Well put, I can't argue with that response. Guess I'm just used to seeing certain catagories.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Guess I'm just used to seeing certain catagories.
And it's all SportsCenter shows too.
For every league I've had this conversation, the only solution was to add more hit categories. Then the balance shifts to a more hitting emphasis and it becomes a nightmare. I guess nothings perfect. Last season, in one league we had 7 or 8 categories for both hitting and pitching. I've steered clear of defense entirely.
I've done a few Sabermetric leagues, but if you think 5X5 takes a lot of time.....
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Guess I'm just used to seeing certain catagories.
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Believe me, I'm far into baseball then just Sportscenter. Like I've stated earlier, I'm more a fantasy player than a roto player. We get points for singles, doubles, triples, homeruns, stolen bases, walks and negative points for caught stealings, strikeouts and errors. Pitchers we get points for wins, strikeouts, shut outs, complete games, saves and negative points for loses, walks, earned runs and blown saves. So I can understand some what the catagories that you guys want cause technically, my league has many catagories, we just score them differently.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Believe me, I'm far into baseball then just Sportscenter. Like I've stated earlier, I'm more a fantasy player than a roto player. We get points for singles, doubles, triples, homeruns, stolen bases, walks and negative points for caught stealings, strikeouts and errors. Pitchers we get points for wins, strikeouts, shut outs, complete games, saves and negative points for loses, walks, earned runs and blown saves. So I can understand some what the catagories that you guys want cause technically, my league has many catagories, we just score them differently.
I've always been interested in doing this, but I would think it would take a LOT of time to get the right point system down so that it accurately reflects value ... i mean with one thing wrong ichiro could easily be worth way more than he should, etc, etc ... how did you come up with yours?
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HoyaSaxa03 + Rob_Gee's fantasy :
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
I've always been interested in doing this, but I would think it would take a LOT of time to get the right point system down so that it accurately reflects value ... i mean with one thing wrong ichiro could easily be worth way more than he should, etc, etc ... how did you come up with yours? [/QB]
This will be the tenth year I've been in this league. I fly up to Maine for a weekend every year, my parents don't seem the visit either. I believe at the time that these were just the standard catagories, so that's the best I can explain how they came about. I know most leagues, like your roto one, let's you decide which catagories you want and which one's you don't want. We have winter meetings every January to decide what we wanna add or take away. But no catagory has been added or taken away in the ten years yet. The only issue this year, which you would like, is taking away a closer and having holds as catagory. It got shot down though.
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update: we now have 12 teams ... 2 more spots open ...
if the voting stands as is, we're going to go to an OBP/SLG or OPS stat instead of AVG ...
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Like I've stated earlier, I'm more a fantasy player than a roto player. We get points for singles, doubles, triples, homeruns, stolen bases, walks and negative points for caught stealings, strikeouts and errors. Pitchers we get points for wins, strikeouts, shut outs, complete games, saves and negative points for loses, walks, earned runs and blown saves. So I can understand some what the catagories that you guys want cause technically, my league has many catagories, we just score them differently.
That sounds brutal. Last season we added Complete Games and Shut Outs to our pitching categories. Nightmare.
OFFENSIVE: 1B, 2B, 3B, HR, SB, R, RBI, AVG, OBP (we've changed to OPS this year)
PITCHING: W, SV, HD, ERA, WHIP, K, CG, ShO
And that's an open draft every year.
I can't even begin to explain the 2 year contract player league, with a one year option for for an extra amount. It takes weeks just to set rosters for opening day.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
That sounds brutal. Last season we added Complete Games and Shut Outs to our pitching categories. Nightmare.
OFFENSIVE: 1B, 2B, 3B, HR, SB, R, RBI, AVG, OBP (we've changed to OPS this year)
PITCHING: W, SV, HD, ERA, WHIP, K, CG, ShO
if you just add those two pitching cat's, you're suddenly adding a ton of value to workhorse aces, which i guess is good ...
and with 9 batting cat's vs. 8 pitching cat's, hitters are intrinsicly worth more in your league than a pitcher, is that by design? why not cut AVG if you have OPS?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
if you just add those two pitching cat's, you're suddenly adding a ton of value to workhorse aces, which i guess is good ...
That was my exact argument that went by the wayside. I thought it was a terrible idea. And as it turned out, only one stat accurately predicted the final standings - Shutouts. Every other stat had varying degrees of how each team finished. The stats for shutouts were exaclty the same as the final standings for the overall league. Complete games were only 3 teams off. I should point out that I don't run this league, I'm merely a participant.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
and with 9 batting cat's vs. 8 pitching cat's, hitters are intrinsicly worth more in your league than a pitcher, is that by design? why not cut AVG if you have OPS?
It's keeping the balance that led us to adding CG and ShO, otherwise the categories were heavily in favor of offense. The argument was that you have 9 position players and a DH playing every day, and maybe 2 starters and 3 relievers at most in any given day, so the categories are already tilted towards putting a premium on offensive players. By adding CG and ShO, it altered the balance in favor of pitchers in an attempt to counter the offensive balance, probably too far however as you've correctly noticed the extreme importance of Workhorse pitchers.
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You have to remember, mine is a fantasy league and goes by points. It's not Roto which are catagories. In our league usually good pitching wins over good hitting.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You have to remember, mine is a fantasy league and goes by points. It's not Roto which are catagories. In our league usually good pitching wins over good hitting.
What do you mean? I thought there was fantasy/roto vs. head 2 head?
In one 12 team league, we use 8 categories on each side, total points in each category get you the corresponding number of points relative to other teams (12 for first place, 1 for last place). Highest total points for all categories wins.
My keeper league is weekly H2H.
Yours is different?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You have to remember, mine is a fantasy league and goes by points. It's not Roto which are catagories. In our league usually good pitching wins over good hitting.
What do you mean? I thought there was fantasy/roto vs. head 2 head?
In one 12 team league, we use 8 categories on each side, total points in each category get you the corresponding number of points relative to other teams (12 for first place, 1 for last place). Highest total points for all categories wins.
My keeper league is weekly H2H.
Yours is different? [/b]
yours is a roto league, his is fantasy points ... you get or lose points for EVERYTHING that a player does, and you dont rank the teams, you just have standings where you total everyone's points ... kind of like a fantasy football league where you get 6 points for a TD
i'd love to do this sometime because you could really assign a "value" to everything a player does, whether it be an iBB or a hit-by-pitch, it's amazingly comprehensive, even with a free service like yahoo ... BUT it would take such a long time to figure out the values of each statistic so as to make their full value in-line with what it should be ... like i noted above, one little problem could throw the whole thing off and make a singles hitter really valuable, or something similar...
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Ours is a weekly league. We have four divisions of four teams. So you always go head to head with the three teams in your division plus four teams from another division. So weekly the best you can be is 7-0 if you have more points then everyone else. We prefer the division v. division as opposed to playing the WHOLE league every week. Just to let you guys know, pitcher get 15 pts for a win and -5 pts for a loss. Relievers get 10 pts for a save and -5 for the blown save. Plus the added and minuses for strikeouts, walks and earned runs.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
you get or lose points for EVERYTHING that a player does, and you dont rank the teams, you just have standings where you total everyone's points ... kind of like a fantasy football league where you get 6 points for a TD
Got it. And that's not head 2 head? Just total points?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
pitcher get 15 pts for a win and -5 pts for a loss. Relievers get 10 pts for a save and -5 for the blown save. Plus the added and minuses for strikeouts, walks and earned runs.
Holy shit. My head would be spinning for weeks trying to figure out advantages vs. disadvantages.
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I spend days trying to come up with the right formula come football time .. i.e., trying to undervalue TDs, boost the value of workhorse RBs who may not score much, posession receivers who may not score much ... keyshawn for the bucs in 02 is a prime example, tons of yards, tons of catches, 1 td, in most leagues, he would have been crap, in my league, he was a good player
i'd have to do the same thing with baseball and it would take WEEKS, at minimum, to make sure it all worked out ... although i bet someone's posted a really good formula somewhere ...
rob, do you pitchers get minus points for hits or just walks? if i did it, i'd want to include everything like wild pitches, balks, errors, assists, putouts, sacrifice flies and hits, double plays grounded into, and come up with a real composite of a player's worth.
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You guys have broken me down. I'm in.
I'll convince venerable to take the last spot when he gets here tonight.
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and come up with a real composite of a player's worth. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/vorp_pitcher2004.html)
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I am pretty sure I will be in last in this league. Several years ago I spent a lot of time on this and had several teams, but I havent had a team in any sport for a few years now, looks like you guys take it seriously, should be fun.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
and come up with a real composite of a player's worth. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/vorp_pitcher2004.html)
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Can I get that sortable?
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Originally posted by BookerT:
and come up with a real composite of a player's worth. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/vorp_pitcher2004.html)
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interesting, thanks for the link ... i'll go on that website and stay on there for hours, so much shit going on there ... the real question would be how to assign these statistics fantasy points and have the total fantasy points for a year by each pitcher correspond to the list here ...
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vote update:
freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
ratioci: indifferent
keep 'em coming ....
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the real question would be how to assign these statistics fantasy points and have the total fantasy points for a year by each pitcher correspond to the list here ...
yeah, i guess ... i dunno, i love those guys over at BP, a year subscription for $40 is truly a great bargain, and i just might call in sick to work on tuesday when BP2005 hits the bookshelves, but i'm sort of a traditionalist when it comes to fantasy.
i think part of what makes it fun is that guys like crawford or pierre are more valuable than they really are, and there's strategy invovled in that. while i have no problem replacing avg with obp, all of these crazy point systems seem to be just a bit much. you don't want to make it so academic, y'know?
that said, i was expecting this to be a sort of casual league, where i could grab someone like, say, jake peavy relatively late. but it's looking like this one will be pretty competitive as well. which is excellent, because active leagues are so much better. and i've never done a mixed league before, so that should be fun, too.
and vansmack, sorry, no sortable table for those stats, at least not that i can find on there. might you be able to throw everything into an excel spreadsheet? i don't really know how that works, but it seems kind of unlikely that it would put everything it the right columns and everything.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
rob, do you pitchers get minus points for hits or just walks? if i did it, i'd want to include everything like wild pitches, balks, errors, assists, putouts, sacrifice flies and hits, double plays grounded into, and come up with a real composite of a player's worth. [/QB]
We try to keep it real basic even though it doesnt sound basic. So earned runs and walks are the only negative for pitchers other than the loss or blown save. So if a pitcher losses (-5) gives up 6 earned runs (-6), walks 3 (-3), that's already -14. But say its ol' Randy Johnson and he strikes out 15 batters, a bad loss just turned into a positive 1 point. But if you have someone like Shawn Estes, forget about it, he's gonna kill you. Closers are the big losers if they get a blown save loss. I've seen -21 pts out of a closer pitching less than an inning. So now that I'm playing Roto I'll have to look more into a pitcher who might win alot BUT gives up a lot of hits, I'm not used to playing in leagues with a WHIP catagory, so it'll be interesting for me.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
vote update:
freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
ratioci: indifferent
keep 'em coming ....
Average, but only because Barry Bonds is such a statistical anomaly in that category (150 points ahead of the next guy) that he'll throw it off for the 13 teams that don't have him.
There are 31 guys with AVG over .300, but only 11 guys .400 or better OBP and then thereâ??s Bonds at .609. .150 is a lot overcome in a game of statistics.
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That's just one catagory though. I mean, yes he dominates, but what if the other ten hitters on your team are horrible? I guess that's what the draft is all about :D
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
That's just one catagory though. I mean, yes he dominates, but what if the other ten hitters on your team are horrible? I guess that's what the draft is all about :D
One category in a ten category league. That's a significant amount. And given his HR prowess in an already HR glorified stat system.....I voted for average.
I may lose the vote and that's fine, I just thought I would share why.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I know from [...] just how dominant he was
beat me
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
kind of like a fantasy
Originally posted by vansmack:
And that's not head
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
That's just one catagory though. I mean, yes he dominates, but what if the other ten hitters on your team are horrible? I guess that's what the draft is all about :D
One category in a ten category league. That's a significant amount. And given his HR prowess in an already HR glorified stat system.....I voted for average.
I may lose the vote and that's fine, I just thought I would share why. [/b]
understandable ... i'd contend, however, that the great advantages of using OBP for every other player outweigh the anomaly that is barry bonds
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Originally posted by BookerT:
you don't want to make it so academic, y'know?
never thought i'd hear this out of a basebal prospectus fan =)
anyone go (or used to go) to clyde's in georgetown and drink at the back bar? there was (is?) a great bartender there who kept all sorts of baseball almanacs and stat books behind the counter, always up for a good baseball discussion...
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vote update:
freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
vansmack: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
ratioci: indifferent
keep 'em coming ....
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this would be much easier if this was a real message board with a voting option
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
vote update:
freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
vansmack: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
ratioci: indifferent
keep 'em coming ....
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this would be much easier if this was a real message board with a voting option
just to make things interesting, I am going to go with AVG, that is what I have always played in the past
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Too late, you already voted ;)
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
understandable ... i'd contend, however, that the great advantages of using OBP for every other player outweigh the anomaly that is barry bonds
To the contrary. I think it's ruined the value of the Ichiro/Pierre/Crawford/Figgins of the world (multi-dimensional guys that do everything except hit HRs). At least their AVG's were considearbly above the league AVG, but with using OBP, they're a little less valuable. Those guys don't get walked often because nobody wants them on base.
But we all play by the same rules and as long as we come to consensus ahead of the draft we can draft accordingly....
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But those four players you mentioned, except maybe Figgins, I can't remember off the top of my head, are gonna excel in stolen bases which is one of the ten catagories. And not many players are gonna be close to Crawford and Pierre.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
But those four players you mentioned, except maybe Figgins, I can't remember off the top of my head, are gonna excel in stolen bases which is one of the ten catagories. And not many players are gonna be close to Crawford and Pierre.
I didn't say they were wrothless, but we have stripped them of 1/3 of their value.
Using OBP would make them one (maybe two as base stealers tend to score too) dimensional players in this league, as opposed to good three dimensional players using average.
HR hitters, on the other hand, are 4 dimensional players in this leage as they hit HRs, score runs, knock guys in, and even if their average sucks, they get walked a lot so their OBP value is increased.
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Everyone's got good points, like I said, I'm new to the roto thing so I'm absorbing as much info as I can.
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I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass or difficult here. I like this discussion and would rather have it before the league starts, that's all. I'll play no matter what the league decides.
If we're going to have a HR heavy league, that's great - we all know going in so it's all out on the table before the draft.
But HR, RBI, R, SLG, and now OBP too - that's 5 categories geared towards who knocks it out of the park.
Speedy guys get 2 - R and SB (and they share one). Their OBP's are good, but are less valuable to their performance than AVG.
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But HR, RBI, R, SLG, and now OBP too - that's 5 categories geared towards who knocks it out of the park.
wait, we're not using SLG and OBP, are we? i'd definitely be opposed to that. i thought we were sticking with 5x5 ... but maybe i'm wrong. i zoned out of this convo for a little bit a while back.
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No, I believe its either AVG. or OBP, or at worst OPS, I think that SB's are still a catagory, which I think should be.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
To the contrary. I think it's ruined the value of the Ichiro/Pierre/Crawford/Figgins of the world (multi-dimensional guys that do everything except hit HRs). At least their AVG's were considearbly above the league AVG, but with using OBP, they're a little less valuable. Those guys don't get walked often because nobody wants them on base.
interesting ... blinded by billy beane, i had never really thought about it this way ... you make a good point ... but i'm still rooting for OBP
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eh, no one wants bobby abreu on base, he was 5th in the majors with 40 steals last year, but he still walked 127 times.
and anyway, wasn't my little league coach right, isn't a walk as good as a hit? or was he just trying to convince me not to swing because he thought there was a far better chance of the pitcher throwing 4 out of 7 bad ones than me getting a hit? hmm...
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Sorry, I was distracted (the head of Broadcom just bought the Mighty Ducks from Disney - ridiculous! during the lockout no less!).
Whatever the group decides is fine with me. I believe there's something to be said for the new school of stats and the old school of stats and finding a good mix should make for a fun league.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
eh, no one wants bobby abreu on base, he was 5th in the majors with 40 steals last year, but he still walked 127 times.
You're absolutely right. In this league with this setup, Bobby would be my #2 choice of a player. In all other leauges he'd be around 10.
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I'd prefer AVG over OBP. I'm just old school. I've never dealt with a league that uses holds as a big stat, but I guess I dont care. Excuse me if this has already been discussed, but why aren't K's counted?
As far as making this a league which features a winner's pot. I don't care. As long as the commissioner is strong and powerful and exercises his/her clear right to reject half-ass trades by non-playoff owners trying to bolster someone else's team.
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Originally posted by PigIron:
I'd prefer AVG over OBP. I'm just old school. I've never dealt with a league that uses holds as a big stat, but I guess I dont care. Excuse me if this has already been discussed, but why aren't K's counted?
As far as making this a league which features a winner's pot. I don't care. As long as the commissioner is strong and powerful and exercises his/her clear right to reject half-ass trades by non-playoff owners trying to bolster someone else's team.
K's are counted ... I run a bunch of leagues and i never allow a "trade review" or voting on trades or anything like that, if the trade is done for malicious reasons (its always obvious), it won't go through, easy enough ...
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Looks like we have 14 teams now. :D
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for some reason i can't select a date for a live draft on yahoo ... has anyone already started a league and know what the problem is?
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vote update:
ratioci: AVG
pigiron: AVG
freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
vansmack: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
we're missing 5 votes .... we also haven't really decided on holds, but seeing how long this voting process is taking, i'm not sure if we can do it democratically ... i'm all for holds though ...
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
for some reason i can't select a date for a live draft on yahoo ... has anyone already started a league and know what the problem is?
there normally are a limited amount available, at least thats how it was a couple of years ago, all the live draft slots may be taken
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
for some reason i can't select a date for a live draft on yahoo ... has anyone already started a league and know what the problem is?
there normally are a limited amount available, at least thats how it was a couple of years ago, all the live draft slots may be taken [/b]
i don't think that's the problem ... i signed up for the league the first day it was available on yahoo and all the dates were grayed out then, and they still are now ... i remember in past years that it was tough to get a good spot if you signed up late, but even mid-day draft spots were available until the season started ... it seems like a technical glitch to me ...
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I would e mail them and see what's up.
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In my other Yahoo! league, we have already set the date for the live draft.
And I'm all for holds.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
for some reason i can't select a date for a live draft on yahoo ... has anyone already started a league and know what the problem is?
turns out this was a mozilla issue, i went and did it on IE and it worked fine ... fucking yahoo ...
ISSUE: most of the optimum live draft dates/times are gone ... the latest we can run an evening draft is next wednesday 3/9 at 8:30pm eastern time ... there are no weekend dates left, and no evening times left any time after next week (i think the latest we could get would be 4pm or 5pm)
i'm sure there are going to be problems, but i don't think anyone wants to draft while they're at work, right? let's do a vote, let me know if this time works for you
Wednesday March 9, 8:30pm EST
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you should just pick a time and get it before even less are available, if someone cant make it, well, they arent losing any money
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
you should just pick a time and get it before even less are available, if someone cant make it, well, they arent losing any money
For once I agree with you. :cool:
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Looking forward to it.
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Pokey Reese would be an obvious first round choice, Doug Glanville would be a close second....Just trying to help the people that's been out of it for awhile and needed a quick update. ;)
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
you should just pick a time and get it before even less are available, if someone cant make it, well, they arent losing any money
oh, I've already picked the time ... and you're right, I guess a vote is unnecessary, if you can't make it, sorry ... blame mozilla ...
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Pokey Reese would be an obvious first round choice, Doug Glanville would be a close second....Just trying to help the people that's been out of it for awhile and needed a quick update. ;)
don't forget about otis nixon!
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anyone know where i can get a really good, comprehensive "fantasy points" system? i'm running a couple of other leagues and i'm going to try it out in one of them ... i've seen plenty of real simple ones lying around the internet (30 points for win, etc), but i'm looking for one where someone's really done research, run statistical analysis, etc ... i'm sure it's out there somewhere, just haven't found it in my googling ... any ideas?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i don't think anyone wants to draft while they're at work, right?
I don't know that I was going to have much of a choice. ;)
But 5:30 PT is not a bad time to do a draft at the office.
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By the way, after looking at the site, are we really starting 4 outfielders and two DH's (Utility) or has that stuff just not been set yet?
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That wouldnt usually fly in fantasy leagues, but Roto leagues I believe they usually do go with 2 utility players at least.....I think. Maybe not 4 outfielders.
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Shouldn't we do it closer to opening day? That way we will know about any position battles or rotation changes.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
By the way, after looking at the site, are we really starting 4 outfielders and two DH's (Utility) or has that stuff just not been set yet?
I haven't set the final numbers, because I didn't know how many teams would be in ... I'm actually kind of (pleasantly) surprised that we have 14 ...
here's my thoughts on the roster topic (and I think i posted this on the first page of this thread):
I don't want teams of superstars ... we should have to have people like cezar izturis on our team ... we should have to scrounge all over the waiver wire and find out that mark kata is having a good week ... we should have to know if a AAA stud is getting called up for a look at the bigs in september ...
Otherwise it just turns into who has the better draft, who gets luckier drafting the superstars who happen to have a better year or don't get injured.
I once played in an NFL league with 1 qb, 1 rb, 2 wr and 1 flex position ... it was the most fucking boring thing i've ever done in my life
I usually just run an NL-only league to fix all these issues, but they're just as easily addressed by having an all-MLB league and expanding roster sizes
OK, rant over ... there are 30 MLB teams and 14 fantasy teams in this league ... that means there are 30 starting infielders at each position in the big leagues, we only need to find the best 14 of those 30, which will mean mostly stars for our starting rosters ... enough bench slots should mean that other starters will be on rosters
there are 90 starting outfielders in MLB, and seeing that outfielders are generally more offensively productive than infielders, i don't think it's a stretch at all to have 56 (14 x 4) of them on our starting rosters ... i wouldn't mind terribly switching it to 3, but i'd prefer 4...
we could also make the utility slots more specified (i.e., "corner infielder" or "middle infielder")
thoughts?
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Originally posted by freddyadu:
Shouldn't we do it closer to opening day? That way we will know about any position battles or rotation changes.
A draft closer to opening day would be fantastic ... unfortunately, i'm late on the trigger, read above ... the only available evening draft times are next week ... we could do it a week before opening day at 2pm EST or something we decided we want to do this during work ...
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Originally posted by freddyadu:
Shouldn't we do it closer to opening day? That way we will know about any position battles or rotation changes.
I initially thought the same thing, but with 25 man rosters, it really shouldn't be a problem unless one of your top 3 draft choices get hurt in spring traning. Then all bets are off.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
here's my thoughts on the roster topic (and I think i posted this on the first page of this thread):
Sorry, I wasn't paying attention then. I was pretty sure I wasn't participating. I'll go back and read the whole thread a little more closely.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Otherwise it just turns into who has the better draft, who gets luckier drafting the superstars who happen to have a better year or don't get injured.
It's going to come down to that anyway, save for the "bonehead panic trade" in the first few months, which is inevitable.
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Is there a trade deadline. I think there should be. As for the drafting closer, I wouldnt be against it, but the 8:30 pm eastern time is to good of a time. I can't do this at work. But I'm only one person so.......
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Is there a trade deadline. I think there should be. As for the drafting closer, I wouldnt be against it, but the 8:30 pm eastern time is to good of a time. I can't do this at work. But I'm only one person so.......
yes, there is, look in the settings ... let's come to a decision on roster sizes ... more thoughts anyone?
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23-25 - all players active.
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Originally posted by freddyadu:
23-25 - all players active.
Does that mean no DL?
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i think we should have:
c
1b
2b
3b
ss
of x5
1b/3b
2b/ss
ut
8 or 9 pitcher slots
i wouldn't mind having up to a 2 person bench and up to 2 dl slots.
it's looking unlikely i'll be able to participate in the live draft on wednesday, but i've already pre-ranked 200 players and will do maybe 200 more and am confident i will emerge with the best team. so there.
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I think:
c
1b
2b
3b
ss
Of X 4
Util
Util
Sp
Sp
Sp
Sp
Sp
Rp
Rp
With 7 bench backups on the bench.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I think:
c
1b
2b
3b
ss
Of X 4
Util
Util
Sp
Sp
Sp
Sp
Sp
Rp
Rp
With 7 bench backups on the bench.
I'm a purist, so I would only have 3 OF and one DH, but I know I'm in the minority so this is fine, except, I would change the pitching to:
SP
SP
RP
RP
P
P
P
so that I have the choice of starting more closers or starters (not to mention my love of the middle releivers) and am not locked into 5 SPs, depending on whether or not I'm looking for saves or wins, etc.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i think we should have:
c
1b
2b
3b
ss
of x5
1b/3b
2b/ss
ut
8 or 9 pitcher slots
i wouldn't mind having up to a 2 person bench and up to 2 dl slots.
I like this...the later rounds are always the most fun. I think in yahoo fb there were DL slots or maybe have a DL slot but once the guy comes back from the DL you must decide between keeping the DL or the replacement.
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I do actually like Vansmack's pitching idea. It makes it more strategical to figure out if your going for saves or wins one week to the next.
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you guys are nutz if you don't think we should have a good amount of bench slots .... i like the format we have right now:
c
1b
2b
SS
3b
of
of
of
of
util (any pos.)
util (any pos.)
p
p
p
p
p
rp
rp
7 bench slots
2 DL slots
you're going to want plenty of bench slots to move SPs in and out, slumping hitters who you want to keep but don't want to start, etc ... remember we set our rosters daily, not weekly
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Originally posted by vansmack:
SP
SP
RP
RP
P
P
P
so that I have the choice of starting more closers or starters (not to mention my love of the middle releivers) and am not locked into 5 SPs, depending on whether or not I'm looking for saves or wins, etc.
smackie ... issues with this include relief pitchers who count in yahoo as SP/RP, which means people cheat and put middle relievers in SP slots ... when you have it like this it won't be too big of a problem, but last year i had a
SP
SP
SP
SP
SP
RP
RP
RP
league and it wreaked HAVOC ... the good middle relievers who were designated SP/RP were suddenly worth tons ... it really fucked things up ...
not sure it would happen with your setup, but i'd rather just stick to 5 "P" and 2 "RP"
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remember we set our rosters daily, not weekly
is there going to be a games limit per position? or are we just continuously cycling players in and out. i realize that most days everyone plays, but there are lots of mondays and thursdays where that's not the case.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
remember we set our rosters daily, not weekly
is there going to be a games limit per position? or are we just continuously cycling players in and out. i realize that most days everyone plays, but there are lots of mondays and thursdays where that's not the case. [/b]
yes, 162 games per position, you can't just cycle in and out every day and get 180 games from 3B or something ... all the league settings are here (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/78680/settings)
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
not sure it would happen with your setup, but i'd rather just stick to 5 "P" and 2 "RP"
There's no difference between 5 P's and two SP's and 3 Ps for what I was trying to accomplish, which was giving some value to middle relievers. With 5 SP slots and 2 RP slots as was suggested, you would almost never use a middle releiver (who never starts) because their is no stat for him (unless we add holds).
In other leagues, we use two SP's, 2 RPs and 3 P's because people got in to the practice of burning up their innings before the trade deadline, then trade their quality SP's for hitters. Then they would use their last 150 innings with all closers/setup men. To quell this practice, we required that two of those spots be SP's so that they couldn't have 7 closers/set-up guys. But you're right, with the SP/RP of a lot of pitchers, it wasn't as effective as we had hoped.
And for the record, the burning up innings approach has never produced a winner in our league, but giving somebody a #1 or #2 starter for hitters at the deadline has aided more than a few teams to victory.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
not sure it would happen with your setup, but i'd rather just stick to 5 "P" and 2 "RP"
There's no difference between 5 P's and two SP's and 3 Ps for what I was trying to accomplish, which was giving some value to middle relievers. With 5 SP slots and 2 RP slots as was suggested, you would almost never use a middle releiver (who never starts) because their is no stat for him (unless we add holds).
In other leagues, we use two SP's, 2 RPs and 3 P's because people got in to the practice of burning up their innings before the trade deadline, then trade their quality SP's for hitters. Then they would use their last 150 innings with all closers/setup men. To quell this practice, we required that two of those spots be SP's so that they couldn't have 7 closers/set-up guys. But you're right, with the SP/RP of a lot of pitchers, it wasn't as effective as we had hoped.
And for the record, the burning up innings approach has never produced a winner in our league, but giving somebody a #1 or #2 starter for hitters at the deadline has aided more than a few teams to victory. [/b]
ok, as i see it there isn't much of a difference between your suggestion:
SP
SP
P
P
P
RP
RP
and mine:
P
P
P
P
P
RP
RP
right? i'm kind of tired today, not completely following you...
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
not sure it would happen with your setup, but i'd rather just stick to 5 "P" and 2 "RP"
There's no difference between 5 P's and two SP's and 3 Ps for what I was trying to accomplish, which was giving some value to middle relievers. With 5 SP slots and 2 RP slots as was suggested, you would almost never use a middle releiver (who never starts) because their is no stat for him (unless we add holds).
In other leagues, we use two SP's, 2 RPs and 3 P's because people got in to the practice of burning up their innings before the trade deadline, then trade their quality SP's for hitters. Then they would use their last 150 innings with all closers/setup men. To quell this practice, we required that two of those spots be SP's so that they couldn't have 7 closers/set-up guys. But you're right, with the SP/RP of a lot of pitchers, it wasn't as effective as we had hoped.
And for the record, the burning up innings approach has never produced a winner in our league, but giving somebody a #1 or #2 starter for hitters at the deadline has aided more than a few teams to victory. [/b]
ok, as i see it there isn't much of a difference between your suggestion:
SP
SP
P
P
P
RP
RP
and mine:
P
P
P
P
P
RP
RP
right? i'm kind of tired today, not completely following you... [/b]
well, if i understand this all correctly, by simply making them P, you could have a staff full of middle relievers and closers. . .whereas with SP's, you have to have starters.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
well, if i understand this all correctly, by simply making them P, you could have a staff full of middle relievers and closers. . .whereas with SP's, you have to have starters.
ok, that makes sense ... thanks for clearing it up ... i'm fine with switching to smackie's idea ...
i spent all fucking day today working in excel on the fantasy points baseball stuff for my other league ... i'm very close to the perfect system, i should have it down pat by tomorrow ...
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this is the email i sent out to my friends, anyone on here is more than welcome to join the league if you're interested ....
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Hey everybody,
I'm running another Fantasy Baseball league this year, and I'm making some changes. Instead of doing a traditional roto-style league (get ranked 1-10 in every category) or a head-to-head league, I'm going to run a "Fantasy Points" league. Basically, this is similar to Fantasy Football, your player gets (or loses) points for everything that he does. Adie and I spent some time working out all the kinks in the system, and I think we came up with a pretty good one.
For all of you who are afraid of the new system and are a bit wary of signing up, don't be. I have an Excel spreadsheet that I can send along to you to show you how all the players are ranked (based on their stats from last year, of course) within the scoring system. It works out to be very close to how players would be ranked if you pick up a FB magazine or draft kit online. Only minor difference is that usually hitters are valued much more than pitchers, the system we've
come up with evens that out, so out of the top 19 players, 8 are pitchers. Also, holds are counted, so set-up men like Tom Gordon have more value.
I'll send you the spreadsheet if you're interested.
Only issue is that the draft will be next Thursday, March 10 at 7:15pm EST. I know, it's short notice and it's a long ways away from Opening Day, but it's the best I could do with Yahoo, the times filled up real quickly this year. We don't want to have a draft at like 1pm on a
Wednesday, and that's our only other option after this. It should work fine though.
Buy-in will be $25: 1st place gets 50%, 2nd gets 30%, 3rd gets 20%
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/register/joinprivateleague (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/register/joinprivateleague)
League ID: 92473
Password: rfkrules
Here's the nitty-gritty details. Trust me, I've played around with it a lot, and it all works out. Email me with any questions or to get the spreadsheet.
Max Teams: 14
Scoring Type: Points Only
Player Universe: All baseball
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 0
Trade End Date: August 28, 2005
Waiver Time: 2 days
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Trade Review: Commissioner
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 162
Max Innings Pitched: 1250
Weekly Deadline: Daily - Tomorrow
Start Scoring on: Sunday, Apr 3
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util, RP, RP, P, P, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL
Stat Categories / Modifiers:
R (5)
1B (5)
2B (10)
3B (15)
HR (20)
RBI (5)
SH (2)
SF (2)
SB (5)
CS (-3)
BB (3)
HBP (3)
W (40)
L (-10)
SV (80)
SVOP (-40)
HLD (40)
OUT (4)
H (-1)
ER (-5)
BB (-1)
HBP (-1)
K (2)
WP (-1)
BLK (-1)
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Originally posted by freddyadu:
Shouldn't we do it closer to opening day? That way we will know about any position battles or rotation changes.
xxx URGENT xxx
many new draft days / times have recently opened up on yahoo, we could move the draft to the week of March 27 - April 2, almost all good times are available for this week. Opening Day is April 3.
We will have a better knowledge of injuries, position battles, etc. The only reason I had initially scheduled the draft for this early is because these dates were not available when i first set the draft time.
If i hear back from enough of you, i'll switch it to Tuesday March 29, at 8pm EST ... mainly because Tuesdays are usually a good day, 8pm usually a good time
Let me know what you think.
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that is so much better. so much better.
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agreed. it also won't interfere as much with my ncaa bracket(s) planning. :)
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thats fine
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I'm flying to Maine for my fantasy draft from the 25th til the 27th so definetely can't do it on those nights. I'm going to a concert on April 1st. Otherwise, as of now, any other night is fine.
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'fess up --- you're going to see LA Guns at Jaxx.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I'm going to a concert on April 1st.
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OK, that's five people (including me) saying Tuesday March 29, at 8pm EST is good ... if we get two more i'll change it ...
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OK, I've heard from half the league, thanks for all your quick responses ... the new draft time is:
Tuesday March 29 at 6:45pm EST
I had initially thought that 8pm was available, but I guess I was confused by yahoo's liberal mixing of PST and EST.
Hope it works for everyone, sorry for the last minute change, it'll be for the best.
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Let me just run that past my boss and see if I can get the afternoon off to do a fantasy baseball draft.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Let me just run that past my boss and see if I can get the afternoon off to do a fantasy baseball draft.
i'm sure he'll be fine with it =)
can't you just say you have a conference call or something?
weren't you going to have to take the afternoon off anyway for tomorrow's draft?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i'm sure he'll be fine with it =)
I'm sure she'll be fine with it.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
weren't you going to have to take the afternoon off anyway for tomorrow's draft?
I work for the State. I would be off the clock for a draft at 5. I'm not sure for 3:45, but I'm sure it will be fine. It's on my calender early enough anyway and it's Spring Break for the students, so distractions should be at a minimum. Unfortunately the mayors office, the State capital and the Nations capital don't celebrate spring break.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i'm sure he'll be fine with it =)
I'm sure she'll be fine with it.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
weren't you going to have to take the afternoon off anyway for tomorrow's draft?
I work for the State. I would be off the clock for a draft at 5. I'm not sure for 3:45, but I'm sure it will be fine. It's on my calender early enough anyway and it's Spring Break for the students, so distractions should be at a minimum. Unfortunately the mayors office, the State capital and the Nations capital don't celebrate spring break. [/b]
wow!! you work for a womyn?? what's that like?
sorry about changing the draft time, i really think it will be better all around, i've only gotten 2 negative responses and oodles of good ones ...
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
'fess up --- you're going to see LA Guns at Jaxx.
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I'm fessin' up.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
sorry about changing the draft time, i really think it will be better all around, i've only gotten 2 negative responses and oodles of good ones ...
No worries, I was kidding really. No fair asking during Man United's champions league game, however.
It will just cut into my board time I guess, but by 3:30 PT this palce is dead anyway. It will get me home in plenty of time on Halo night however, and that's good.
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so who is drafting Rick Ankiel as an outfielder?
:confused:
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
so who is drafting Rick Ankiel as an outfielder?
i was thinking the same thing. poor guy.
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i wish the pirates would do this with their #1 pick from a couple years ago, john van benschoeten. he was a top hitter in college, but they made him focus solely on pitching and the results have been mixed, at best. and the bucs are in desperate need of an impact hitter.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i wish the pirates would do this with their #1 pick from a couple years ago, john van benschoeten. he was a top hitter in college, but they made him focus solely on pitching and the results have been mixed, at best. and the bucs are in desperate need of an impact hitter.
he's gone for the year. . .i think it's his shoulder this time.
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what do you think of this draft i had two nights ago .... it's a traditional 5x5 league with steals ...
i think i got some good value, but reached with a couple of picks (patterson and livan in particular)
R1 P1) Albert Pujols
R2 P12) Gary Sheffield
R3 P1) Curt Schilling
R4 P12) Mariano Rivera
R5 P1) Corey Patterson
R6 P12) Nomar Garciappara
R7 P1) Livan Hernandez
R8 P12) Bret Boone
R9 P1) Mike Mussina
R10 P12) Jose Guillen
R11 P1) Troy Glaus
R12 P12) Brad Radke
R13 P1) Brad Wilkerson
R14 P12) Jake Westbrook
R15 P1) Jon Lieber
R16 P12) Derek Lowe
R17 P1) Tom Gordon
R18 P12) JD Closser
R19 P1) Dallas McPherson
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How many teams are in your league. I can see you won't be in the top half of the steals catagory. Schilling's value has dropped since the injury I see.
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Kosmo just informed me that Ash are playing an instore at a record store in Berkeley on (of course) Tuesday, March 29, 5:00 PM PT.
Nice job on the reschedule.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
How many teams are in your league. I can see you won't be in the top half of the steals catagory. Schilling's value has dropped since the injury I see.
12 teams ... yeah, i didn't get many burners at all, i'm not used to drafting for speed, i dont usually play in SB leagues ... this is actually a head-to-head weekly league, so i'll see how it goes for a few weeks and make some trades / changes ...
sorry smackie, skip the damn draft!
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did we lose a team? i was just pre-ranking some players and counted 13 squads. did we originally have 14?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Kosmo just informed me that Ash are playing an instore at a record store in Berkeley on (of course) Tuesday, March 29, 5:00 PM PT.
I was at the SF Amoeba yesterday talking to the staff and they said that Ash was originally supposed to play the SF Amoeba, but were moved to the Berkeley Amoeba. Care to guess why?
Of course, the Bravery are now playing the SF Amoeba at 5:00. Unbelievable. See you at the draft...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Kosmo just informed me that Ash are playing an instore at a record store in Berkeley on (of course) Tuesday, March 29, 5:00 PM PT.
I was at the SF Amoeba yesterday talking to the staff and they said that Ash was originally supposed to play the SF Amoeba, but were moved to the Berkeley Amoeba. Care to guess why?
Of course, the Bravery are now playing the SF Amoeba at 5:00. Unbelievable. See you at the draft... [/b]
Good luck with the draft, everyone. Hopefully Yahoo will do an ok job with my list...sorry I can't be there in (virtual) person.
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I probably won't be there either because of work. Hopefully yahoo does a good job with my team also. :cool:
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Yikes, sucks for all of you who can't make it .... i had kinda slacked on all of this, but previously i had said i really wanted to add holds as a pitching stat category ... but it looks like people have already made their lists and done their research, etc, so i guess it would be unfair if i did that ...
it would also make the batting/pitching categories uneven, so i would propose that we would add SLG as well to the hitters ... whadda ya'll think?
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I'm in. Silly, I don't know why. I don't know the first thing about that stick-hit-run game. (I'm familiar with the more common use of baseball bats.)
Needless to say, please, no mockery.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Yikes, sucks for all of you who can't make it .... i had kinda slacked on all of this, but previously i had said i really wanted to add holds as a pitching stat category ... but it looks like people have already made their lists and done their research, etc, so i guess it would be unfair if i did that ...
it would also make the batting/pitching categories uneven, so i would propose that we would add SLG as well to the hitters ... whadda ya'll think?
Changing categories one day before the draft would be senseless.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Changing categories one day before the draft would be senseless.
alas, you are right ... shoulda thought about this a ways back...
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this draft tonight should be fun ... you motherfuckers are going down ...
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almost forgot this is in 45 minutes
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
almost forgot this is in 45 minutes
Going to get a Mountain Dew right now.....this could be the first draft I've ever done while not drinking.
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i have to work, but i guess yahoo will pick for me. afterwards we can wheel and deal, they don't call me jim bowden for nothing.
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draft order is up, i was screwed
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ok, i have a team. what happens now? i really know nothing about this stuff.
ps- is there a reason we're not putting $ on this?
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Oh shoot, I gotta go check my team out.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
ok, i have a team. what happens now? i really know nothing about this stuff.
ps- is there a reason we're not putting $ on this?
good question ... when it was brought up before, most people didn't want to do it, but i'm all for putting some cash down on it ...
basically you try to get the best stats from your players, you add up all the stats in each category, then each team is ranked by them ... so if you have the most HRs (total), you get 14 points for HRs, if you have the least amount of HRs, you get 1 pt, and so on for each category ... it's cumulative over the year for all your players ...
and depending on how closely you want to follow this, you can make lineup changes every day ... i.e., if one of your starting pitchers is going to pitch that day, you put him into the starting lineup, and switch him out when he's resting ... but if you don't want to go that far, you can just put your best players in the lineup and you should do fine ...
also be on the lookout for hot players by looking at the free agents and waivers, and don't be afraid to dump one of your mediocre players who is really slumping ... the yahoo! "ranks" help with this if you don't really follow baseball that much (or if you do), you can sort by ranking over the past week, month, season, etc ... play around and you'll figure it out ...
good luck...
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Well they picked two Red Sox players on my team (Varischmuk and Retarderia). So I'm open to getting rid of them.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Well they picked two Red Sox players on my team (Varischmuk and Retarderia). So I'm open to getting rid of them.
you'll be sorry you did that!
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I'll agree with you on the Renteria one, he is actually a top tier shortstop. I have Mike Piazza so there's no reason why I should want Varitek. Plus I just don't like him. He'll probably end up putting up better numbers than Piazz.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I'll agree with you on the Renteria one, he is actually a top tier shortstop. I have Mike Piazza so there's no reason why I should want Varitek. Plus I just don't like him. He'll probably end up putting up better numbers than Piazz.
dude, Mike Piazza is REALLY old and he actually just sucks. he'll get hurt in June and do another commerical with Alf and Varitek will get another ring.
he is kind of a redneck though, :)
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Piazza as in Belle and Sebastian's song "Piazza New York Catcher?" He's a real guy? Dude, I SO want him on my team!
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Piazza as in Belle and Sebastian's song "Piazza New York Catcher?" He's a real guy? Dude, I SO want him on my team!
I think we need an approval system for all trades involving Chimbly.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Piazza as in Belle and Sebastian's song "Piazza New York Catcher?" He's a real guy? Dude, I SO want him on my team!
I think we need an approval system for all trades involving Chimbly. [/b]
Too late. Trade proposed.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Too late. Trade proposed.
Oh my.....
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So, silly question. If my players' teams aren't playing in the real world, does it benefit my fantasy team to bench them for the day?
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Not so silly actually.
For Offense: You get 162 games for each position to count stats. 162 just happens to be the same # of games each team plays, but it's highly unlikely that many players will play all 162 games, so it's good to plug in some guys on the off days of your starters once in a while to make certian that you take full advantage of all 162 games. Any games played over 162 won't be counted towards your stat total. There is a link on Yahoo on the bottom of your team page called "Maximum Games and Innings" to track your pace.
For Pitching: You have 1500 total innings to accumulate stats. It's a generally accepted practice to keep closers in the RP slots at all times, and rotate your other pitching spots between starters and middle relievers to maximize your total innings. I usually check daily, but you can set your pitching a few days in advance because Yahoo will put a ^ next to any starter that is expected to play on that particular day. Again, just follow the pace using the Maximum innings link. I think 250 innings a month is the right average.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
So, silly question. If my players' teams aren't playing in the real world, does it benefit my fantasy team to bench them for the day?
Somebody who has played more recently correct me if I am wrong, but there can only be 162 games played per position, so you cant play somebody everyday or you would not be allowed to play anybody in that position at the end of the year.
Also whoever has Melvin Mora, he just got hit in the hand and left the game, no word on if it is broken.
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
So, silly question. If my players' teams aren't playing in the real world, does it benefit my fantasy team to bench them for the day?
Somebody who has played more recently correct me if I am wrong, but there can only be 162 games played per position, so you cant play somebody everyday or you would not be allowed to play anybody in that position at the end of the year.
Also whoever has Melvin Mora, he just got hit in the hand and left the game, no word on if it is broken. [/b]
that's right ... but almost no players (except for cal) play every game, so you can rotate ... you should especially note this for some OFs who platoon or always get injured ... i rotate frequently in the beginning then just see what my pace is so i don't lose good players' stats down the stretch ...
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Decisions, decisions, decisions.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Decisions, decisions, decisions.
OK, So would you approve the trade already? I can't get that song out of my head.
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who wants curt schilling?
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
So, silly question. If my players' teams aren't playing in the real world, does it benefit my fantasy team to bench them for the day?
were you hustling us chimbly?
congrats on the 1st place through the first couple of weeks ...
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
were you hustling us chimbly?
congrats on the 1st place through the first couple of weeks ...
do I win anything for being in last?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
were you hustling us chimbly?
congrats on the 1st place through the first couple of weeks ...
i have no idea what you're talking about. but i now understand that piazza new york catcher isn't so swell. in fact, he's prolly my worst player. but that's fine with me, he's MINE!
ps-- what is IP W SV K ERA WHIP? and how can I tell how good my pitchers are?
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
but i now understand that piazza new york catcher isn't so swell. in fact, he's prolly my worst player. but that's fine with me, he's MINE!
[/QB]
And Mike Sweeney might actually be my BEST player. ;)
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Were any of you wise enough to take Brian Roberts? The little guy has four of the Orioles team total of six homers so far. He's hit as many homers in seven games as he did in 159 last year.
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i was the wise one who snagged brian roberts. i need more two-steal games like last nite. the power's nice, but i need the speed. i'm going to easily dominate the power categories as it is. who was it again that made fun of me for my pat burrell pick? hoya, looking in your direction...
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i was the wise one who snagged brian roberts. i need more two-steal games like last nite. the power's nice, but i need the speed. i'm going to easily dominate the power categories as it is. who was it again that made fun of me for my pat burrell pick? hoya, looking in your direction...
yes, that was indeed me ... he'll break down at some point, don't worry =)
you should trade brian roberts right now while you can get some value for him, he won't do this all year ... speaking of trades, I need speed, and have plenty of pitching and power to spare, anyone?
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in another league i'm in, i have both brian roberts and pat burrell. so, i'm sitting pretty through 1 week. :)
as for this league. . here's hoping eric hinske keeps his production up.
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I went 4-3 in my other league after week one. Didnt pay much attention to either league since I was tanning in Aruba. But now I'm back and see that the waiver wire is very thin and I went from 10th place to 13th over night. :(
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ok, guys, let's not post things to me that say 'is that a joke?'
i don't know what you're talking about. i'm going sheerly and meerly on stats. i don't know a damn thing about my players, except i'm trying to have hitters with high hitting numbers and pitchers with low whipped numbers. that's all i'm doing.
did i do something dumb? wouldn't surprise me.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
ok, guys, let's not post things to me that say 'is that a joke?'
i don't know what you're talking about. i'm going sheerly and meerly on stats. i don't know a damn thing about my players, except i'm trying to have hitters with high hitting numbers and pitchers with low whipped numbers. that's all i'm doing.
did i do something dumb? wouldn't surprise me.
then i apologize. i just found it incredible that someone would dump armando benitez so early in the season, esp. since he has at least 21 saves each of the last 7 season, including 47 saves last year. the "s" stands for saves, and counts in the rankings.
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saves, meaning... ? i'm still not getting it. i dumped him because his whip was high.
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saves, as in the category i will end up winning (or at least top 3) even though octavio dotel was the only closer i drafted. thanks for the free armando benitez!
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man my hitters are all in huge slumps ... props to chimbly for staying near the top of the league...
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yeah, but my good SP is on the DL. i'm slipping fast.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
i'm slipping fast.
And I'll just continue my steady rise to the top....
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whatever.
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
of course i saw it, and I dont have or want a cell phone, and I have never claimed eckstein was a great signing, and I think the Cardinals way overpaid, they did not overpay as much as the Angels did for Cabrera though, but maybe we shouldn't take this thread on to baseball
Good point, I'll move it over here.
Jeter, Derek $19,600,000 Yankees
Tejada, Miguel $11,000,000 Orioles
Garciaparra, Nomar $8,250,000 Cubs
Renteria, Edgar $8,000,000 Red Sox
Matsui, Kazuo $7,033,333 Mets
Cabrera, Orlando $6,000,000 Angels
Furcal, Rafael $5,600,000 Braves
Polanco, Placido $4,600,000 Phillies
Guzman, Cristian $4,200,000 Nationals
Guillen, Carlos $4,000,000 Tigers
Rollins, Jimmy $3,850,000 Phillies
Valentin, Jose $3,500,000 Dodgers
Gonzalez, Alex $3,400,000 Marlins
Lugo, Julio $3,250,000 Devil Rays
Wilson, Jack $3,250,000 Pirates
Vizquel, Omar $3,250,000 Giants
Young, Mike $2,575,000 Rangers
Eckstein, David $2,333,333 Cardinals
Izturis, Cesar $2,150,000 Dodgers
Uribe, Juan $2,150,000 White Sox
Gonzalez, Alex $1,750,000 Devil Rays
Clayton, Royce $1,350,000 Diamondbacks
Cora, Alex $1,300,000 Indians
Vizcaino, Jose $1,250,000 Astros
Castro, Juan $1,000,000 Twins
Perez, Neifi $1,000,000 Cubs
I'm OK with $6 Mill for Cabrera, and I think I'd be ok with $2.3 for Eck. I'm glad we didn't pay $8 Mil for Renteria or $8.25 for Nomar, but damn, Texas got a steal in $2.4 for Micheal Young.
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Cabrera's deal averages out to 8 mil per
Cards overpaid for Eckstein because they signed him for 3 years and could have had him for less
one of the few times Jocketty has jumped the gun, i guess because he was left without Renteria and Cabrera got way more than was expected
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But the SS position is evolving in baseball. The more power they display and still flash the glove around, the more their going to make. Blame Jeter and A-Rod (and Tejada now), but wait until Crosby and Kahlil Greene's 6 years are up - then OC for $8 Mil won't be that bad.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
But the SS position is evolving in baseball. The more power they display and still flash the glove around, the more their going to make. Blame Jeter and A-Rod (and Tejada now), but wait until Crosby and Kahlil Greene's 6 years are up - then OC for $8 Mil won't be that bad.
I guess I just dont expect the Angels to give out contracts like that, Yankees and Red Sox yes, they are run by morons. I guess the Angels have been big free agent players in recent years, I just dont like these deals that lead to players who dont deserve near that much money getting it because that is where the market is at. A year and a half ago NOBODY would have said Orlando Cabrera was worth 8 mil.
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
I guess I just dont expect the Angels to give out contracts like that
Oh, we're big market now, bro - didn't you get the memo? We have a new name and everything.
Seriously, you're right. I have lost a little perspective since the Vlad signing. It didn't take me long to get used to having an owner spend money like this, I guess. But boy, it's nice to watch him play in the field after 10 years of Eckstein and DiSarcina. Hell, we gave DiSarcina $3.2 Mil to play 12 games for us in 2000.
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eckstein is most certainly worth 2mil+/yr ... as you angels fans know, he's a sparkplug and a big + for team chemistry
guzman on the other hand ... i could think of much better ways to spend 4mil for a "small market" team ...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
eckstein is most certainly worth 2mil+/yr ... as you angels fans know, he's a sparkplug and a big + for team chemistry ...
I don't mind him too much, I am much happier with Mulder and Eckstein than just having Renteria. They would not have made the mulder trade if they had signed a more expensive shortstop, just think they could have save a little there and somewhere else, and maybe tried to keep Steve Kline, Renteria kind of screwed everything up
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Oh, we're big market now, bro - didn't you get the memo? We have a new name and everything.
Seriously, you're right. I have lost a little perspective since the Vlad signing. It didn't take me long to get used to having an owner spend money like this, I guess. But boy, it's nice to watch him play in the field after 10 years of Eckstein and DiSarcina. Hell, we gave DiSarcina $3.2 Mil to play 12 games for us in 2000.
I had forgot DiSarcina, wow was he bad, one of the worst video game hitters ever
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
I had forgot DiSarcina, wow was he bad, one of the worst video game hitters ever
He wasn't so good in real life either. I think he hit .300 once - a career .260 hitter.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
even though octavio dotel was the only closer i drafted.
i hope you had him benched this week. :)
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Speaking of shortstops, I thought this was interesting, won't last of course
Orlando Cabrera 8mil/Yr LA Angels:
Avg HR RBI Runs SB
.230 3 10 11 2
Edgar Respecteria 10mil/Yr BoSox:
Avg HR RBI Runs SB
.246 2 10 16 2
David Eckstein 3.5mil/Yr Cardinals
Avg HR RBI Runs SB
.320 0 10 16 2
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heres what i think is interesting
Johnny Damon
Avg R RBI SB
.383 26 20 4
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Originally posted by sonickteam3:
Johnny Damon
Avg R RBI SB
.383 26 20 4
You forgot a slugging % of .511. That means lots of singles and few HRs. Of his 54 hits, 40 have been singles. Might as well have David Eckstein at $2.3 Mil rather than Damon at $8.25 Mil.
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
Speaking of shortstops, I thought this was interesting, won't last of course
Offensively, Cabrera has been gawd awful. But we're paying Figgins $390K to do what Eck used to do for $2Mil, and I think we're making out better in the deal.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam3:
Johnny Damon
Avg R RBI SB
.383 26 20 4
You forgot a slugging % of .511. That means lots of singles and few HRs. Of his 54 hits, 40 have been singles. Might as well have David Eckstein at $2.3 Mil rather than Damon at $8.25 Mil. [/b]
why? Ecksteins slugging is .377, and what does Damon need a .600+ SLG when he bats in front of Ramirez, Ortiz and Varitek who have a combined 24 home runs this year already.
you really want Eckstein playing centerfield? :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam3:
why?
Economics. He's a table setter for Varitek, Ortiz and Ramirez? Which outfielder do you want setting the table for your big guys?
Johnny Damon: $8.25 Mil
Carl Crawford: $625K
Juan Pierre: $3.7 Mil
Chone Figgins: $390K
Table setters don't make $8.25 Million. He's paid to be more than that.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam3:
why?
Economics. He's a table setter for Varitek, Ortiz and Ramirez? Which outfielder do you want setting the table for your big guys?
Johnny Damon: $8.25 Mil
Carl Crawford: $625K
Juan Pierre: $3.7 Mil
Chone Figgins: $390K
Table setters don't make $8.25 Million. He's paid to be more than that. [/b]
like a grand slam in Game 7 of the ALCS?
or a leadoff homerun in Game 4 of the Series.
i wouldnt want any of those scrubs you listed actually. not even for $10.
besides, who CARES who's a bargain when theres no salary cap and Henry doesnt give a rats ass about a luxury tax.
Damon is better than all 3 of those guys. and apparently he's a better business man too. :)
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If you were already happy with an irrelevant answer, why did you even ask the question?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If you were already happy with an irrelevant answer, why did you even ask the question?
well, we were talking about Eckstein. and my "why" was why does it matter that he's cheaper if he's not as good?
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Originally posted by sonickteam3:
well, we were talking about Eckstein. and my "why" was why does it matter that he's cheaper if he's not as good?
he doubled as I was reading about this, please keep talking about him
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
Originally posted by sonickteam3:
well, we were talking about Eckstein. and my "why" was why does it matter that he's cheaper if he's not as good?
he doubled as I was reading about this, please keep talking about him [/b]
DAMNIT, i knew we shoulda traded Damon for him!
;)
why are there so many day games this year, how lame.
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Originally posted by sonickteam3:
why are there so many day games this year, how lame.
New travel rules for MLB because of the possibilty of extra inning games and having to travel long distances. I think this is the second year of this new policy, but venerable will know for sure.
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
he doubled as I was reading about this, please keep talking about him
I'll give you two Molina's for one Molina. What do you say?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I'll give you two Molina's for one Molina. What do you say?
nah, aren't you happy with your molina's? is the good one still hurt? I think Yadi will be a good one, although he is not very popular in the early going
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i have a bad team. they should all be fired.
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
aren't you happy with your molina's? is the good one still hurt?
Bengie (or "Slow Mo" as I refer to him) can't stay healthy and Jose can't hit a lick. They're both great defensively though. I think Yadier has a lot of potential - what's he, like 22? He's no Joe Mauer offensively, but he's a lot tougher.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Bengie (or "Slow Mo" as I refer to him) can't stay healthy and Jose can't hit a lick. They're both great defensively though. I think Yadier has a lot of potential - what's he, like 22? He's no Joe Mauer offensively, but he's a lot tougher.
Yadier may be the slowest position player I have ever seen, but I think he will end up hitting in the .270 area every year and be great defensively, he has a great arm, he is 22
Eckstein is on base again
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
Yadier may be the slowest position player I have ever seen,
You've never seen Bengie run?
One time, Bengie grounded a chopper to A-Job at third, who caught it running towards first. He looked up, saw Slow Mo moving towards first (I can't even call it running) and put the ball in his glove. It looked for a couple seconds like A-Job was going to race Slow Mo to the bag, but he clutched tiwce and decided to soft toss it to Giambi instead. For the record, A-Job would have beaten him to the bag.
Bengie was pissed and had a few choice words for A-Job, who strolled off. When A-Job came to bat, he had a few more choice words for A-Job, and they started shouting. First pitch? High and tight.
Lesson learned? Don't make fun of the pitch caller.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
You've never seen Bengie run?
I could see Arod trying a stunt like that, never seen Bengie run, mostly because I have a hard time watching american league baseball
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
i have a bad team. they should all be fired.
ha ha. . .personally, my OF stinks. the team could be moderately better if the OF could stay off the DL.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by pollardteam2:
Yadier may be the slowest position player I have ever seen,
You've never seen Bengie run?
One time, Bengie grounded a chopper to A-Job at third, who caught it running towards first. He looked up, saw Slow Mo moving towards first (I can't even call it running) and put the ball in his glove. It looked for a couple seconds like A-Job was going to race Slow Mo to the bag, but he clutched tiwce and decided to soft toss it to Giambi instead. For the record, A-Job would have beaten him to the bag.
Bengie was pissed and had a few choice words for A-Job, who strolled off. When A-Job came to bat, he had a few more choice words for A-Job, and they started shouting. First pitch? High and tight.
Lesson learned? Don't make fun of the pitch caller. [/b]
it's shit like this that makes me love baseball ..
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damn, fico. . if you had been starting your kenny rogers, you'd be kicking ass in the pitching stats.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
One time, Bengie grounded a chopper to A-Job at third, who caught it running towards first. He looked up, saw Slow Mo moving towards first (I can't even call it running) and put the ball in his glove. It looked for a couple seconds like A-Job was going to race Slow Mo to the bag, but he clutched tiwce and decided to soft toss it to Giambi instead. For the record, A-Job would have beaten him to the bag.
Bengie was pissed and had a few choice words for A-Job, who strolled off. When A-Job came to bat, he had a few more choice words for A-Job, and they started shouting. First pitch? High and tight.
Lesson learned? Don't make fun of the pitch caller. [/QB]
Obviously Bengie didnt see the headlock A-Rod put on the last catcher that tried to go toe to toe with him. And I think that last catcher is a little bit tougher then Bengie is....Or if anything, faster, more power, higher batting average, more at bats, less days on the disabled list....Ok, thats enough I could go on forever.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Obviously Bengie didnt see the headlock A-Rod put on the last catcher that tried to go toe to toe with him. And I think that last catcher is a little bit tougher then Bengie is....Or if anything, faster, more power, higher batting average, more at bats, less days on the disabled list....Ok, thats enough I could go on forever.
I bet neither cather can see past their Championship Rings.....how 'bout A-Job? Ah, he can talk about it in his therapy.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
[/QB]
Well, I had Bengie on my team last year and can't complain about how he did, so I'm not totally hatin' on him.
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Originally posted by pollardteam2:
Yadier...will end up hitting in the .270 area every year and be great defensively, he has a great arm, he is 22.
Yadier was great yesterday. I'm fairly convinced that Bay was stealing signs and was doing a fairly obvious relay. Good for Yadier. Of course, Bay had the final say....
Pirates Notebook: Alleged sign-stealing stirs incident
Monday, June 27, 2005
By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
ST. LOUIS -- Daryle Ward didn't think much of it when Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina went to the mound two pitches into his at-bat in the first inning yesterday.
Then, he realized Molina wasn't talking to St. Louis starter Jason Marquis but to the Pirates' Jason Bay, who doubled ahead of Ward with two outs.
The next thing anyone knew, the Pirates and Cardinals were in the middle of an incident in which both benches and bullpens emptied, and both teams milled around for a minute or two.
"They said I was stealing signs, but I didn't know what they were talking about," said Bay, who went on to hit two homers, including one in the ninth to keep the Pirates alive.
"I was only out there for two pitches," Bay said. "I'm not that good."
Pirates manager Lloyd McClendon denied there was any sign-stealing.
"I wish we were that good," he said.
Ward was incredulous.
"[Molina] came back and said I should watch out," Ward said. "I said, 'Watch out for what?' "
Things settled down quickly with no ejections, but the Cardinals stood by their accusation.
"That's part of the game, and, if you get caught, you have to pay the consequences," Marquis said.
Molina declined comment, but manager Tony La Russa pretty much echoed Marquis' sentiment.
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i think that the pirates and other teams with payrolls under $50 million should be allowed to steal signs. the clip of yadier running past whoever it was on the bases yesterday was pretty funny.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Yadier was great yesterday. I'm fairly convinced that Bay was stealing signs and was doing a fairly obvious relay. Good for Yadier. Of course, Bay had the final say....
he is fun to watch, there were some quotes in an article a couple days ago from Chris Carpenter about how much all the starters love playing with him
game yesterday was painful to watch, very ugly, Cards deserved the loss
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i think that the pirates and other teams with payrolls under $50 million should be allowed to steal signs. the clip of yadier running past whoever it was on the bases yesterday was pretty funny.
was former Pirate Abraham Nunez, who said he had no idea where the ball was or something
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was former Pirate Abraham Nunez, who said he had no idea where the ball was or something
oh man, that dude. i swear he was on the pirates for like 7 years before they finally let him go. even worse, he was the top pinch hitter for much of that time. what a franchise.
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Originally posted by general grievous:
game yesterday was painful to watch, very ugly, Cards deserved the loss
Next time do it sooner so I can at least get a win out of Ollie! That guy has been killing me but my allegiance to the Pirates haas me holding on for dear life....
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Obviously Bengie didnt see the headlock A-Rod put on the last catcher that tried to go toe to toe with him.
was that before or after the glove to the face and eventual takedown?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Next time do it sooner so I can at least get a win out of Ollie! That guy has been killing me but my allegiance to the Pirates haas me holding on for dear life....
you know Van Slyke's kid was just drafted by the cardinals, maybe you should get over your allegiance to the pirates and come over to the cardinals, although the Van Slyke kid will most likely never see the majors
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Originally posted by general grievous:
you know Van Slyke's kid was just drafted by the cardinals, maybe you should get over your allegiance to the pirates and come over to the cardinals, although the Van Slyke kid will most likely never see the majors
But that was just a nice gesture by the Cards. AJ was taken in the 23rd round as a junior at the University of Kansas. The younger Van Slyke (Scott) was drated in the 14th round by the Dodgers and has yet to graduate high school.
Said Andy, "I still hate the Dodgers."
Man, I miss that guy.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Man, I miss that guy.
i caught a foul ball by van slyke at one of his pirates spring training games and got it signed by him ... i loved spring time in florida, used to go to at least a couple games a week ... was AVS the guy who did funny hand stuff in his batting stance?
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The Pittsburgh Pirates put pitcher Oliver Perez on the 15-day disabled list Tuesday, two days after he broke his toe while kicking a laundry cart in the clubhouse in St. Louis.
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Perez could use the time off.....
And Hoya, if you still have that ball, let me know so I can make you an offer. AVS is where the van comes from in my screen name.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Perez could use the time off.....
And Hoya, if you still have that ball, let me know so I can make you an offer. AVS is where the van comes from in my screen name.
this is back when i was 9 or 10 ... if i still have it it's at my folk's place with my baseball card and autograph collection ... favorite autograph from spring training: running into michael jordan on my friend's neighborhood golf course and getting an autograph on a white sox hat, anyone have any clue what that's worth?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
favorite autograph from spring training: running into michael jordan on my friend's neighborhood golf course and getting an autograph on a white sox hat, anyone have any clue what that's worth?
I've seen autographed UNC Jordan hats for about $60, so I'd guess around the same (unless it's game used or something).
Otherwise.... (http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/89585223)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
favorite autograph from spring training: running into michael jordan on my friend's neighborhood golf course and getting an autograph on a white sox hat, anyone have any clue what that's worth?
I've seen autographed UNC Jordan hats for about $60, so I'd guess around the same (unless it's game used or something).
Otherwise.... (http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/89585223) [/b]
yeah thats kind of what i was expecting, thanks for passing the link along ... definitely not game-used, maybe little league game-used ...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Yadier was great yesterday.
that was a great pick by yadier last night ... not sure the 1b got the tag on, but i love watching catchers make those plays ...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
that was a great pick by yadier last night ... not sure the 1b got the tag on, but i love watching catchers make those plays ...
runner should have been called safe, but that is the 7th time he has picked somebody off of first this year, and he has also thrown out 2/3 of would be base stealers, and i dont think that number includes the pick offs
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so how many people on here have been converted to nats fans?
i've been a braves fan for most of my life due to growing up in the SE, but my heart hasn't always been with them ... now i've really embraced the nats, they're putting together a great year
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anybody that leaves Montreal is OK in my book.
I'm going to the game on Tuesday.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
so how many people on here have been converted to nats fans?
As soon as they dump Jose Guillen I'll probably by a cap.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
so how many people on here have been converted to nats fans?
As soon as they dump Jose Guillen I'll probably by a cap. [/b]
anyone else seen those guillen commercials on tv?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
But that was just a nice gesture by the Cards. AJ was taken in the 23rd round as a junior at the University of Kansas. The younger Van Slyke (Scott) was drated in the 14th round by the Dodgers and has yet to graduate high school.
Said Andy, "I still hate the Dodgers."
Man, I miss that guy.
you can follow AJ's stats here if you care to
http://minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=A.J.%20Van%20Slyke&pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&did=milb&pid=489392 (http://minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=A.J.%20Van%20Slyke&pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&did=milb&pid=489392)
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Originally posted by general grievous:
you can follow AJ's stats here if you care to
Of course I care. sweeeet.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
so how many people on here have been converted to nats fans?
As soon as they dump Jose Guillen I'll probably by a cap. [/b]
anyone else seen those guillen commercials on tv? [/b]
the one's that look like they're produced by your local carpet wholesaler? yes. the production values for MASN/wbdc are pretty much shit. i think my high school had cooler equipment / better trained video people
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For the two other Bucs fans out there, thanks to Ollie's idiocy, Zach Duke is ready to start his career. (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05182/531392.stm).
Too bad I can't pick him up until after he shows all of you that he's got great stuff.
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i'm very excited to see what duke's got, but i'm not so sure he'll have tons of success early on. he's never been a big strikeout guy in the minors, so he might get knocked around a bit. finesse guys like that need time to learn the hitters. another guy they just brought up, ian snell, i like him a lot as well. could be part of a dominant bullpen w/mike gonzalez.
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I agree, but as a lefty with not a lot power growing up, I have a soft spot for "smart" pitchers getting some press time instead of the fireballers that we hear about all the time.
And I think Snell will get a chance to start soon too.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
so how many people on here have been converted to nats fans?
I sure as hell will be rooting for them the next 3 days
Nats 2 - Scrubs 0
beating Prior and Guillen homered
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I wish Frank Robinson had rubbed that sorry assed Sciocia's pudgy little face into the ground.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
I wish Frank Robinson had rubbed that sorry assed Sciocia's pudgy little face into the ground.
agreed
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
I wish Frank Robinson had rubbed that sorry assed Sciocia's pudgy little face into the ground.
2005 SI Players Poll [Based on a survey of 450 MLB players]
Who is the best manager in baseball?
Bobby Cox, Braves .....37%
Joe Torre, Yankees .....17%
Dusty Baker, Cubs .....12%
Tony La Russa, Cardinals .....7%
Mike Scioscia, Angels .....6%
Terry Francona, Red Sox .....3%
Ron Gardenhire, Twins .....3%
Ned Yost, Brewers .....2%
Jack McKeon, Marlins .....2%
Bruce Bochy, Padres .....1%
Jim Tracy, Dodgers .....1%
Lou Pinella, Devil Rays .....1%
Who is the worst manager?
Frank Robinson, Nationals .....12%
Buck Showalter, Rangers .....12%
Lloyd McClendon, Pirates .....9%
Larry Bowa, Formerly Phillies .....8%
Lou Pinella, Devil Rays .....7%
Tony LaRussa, Cardinals .....4%
Tony Pena, Fromer Royals .....4%
Ken Macha, Athletics .....3%
Terry Francona, Red Sox .....3%
Lee Mazilli, Orioles .....3%
Clint Hurdle, Rockies .....3%
Joe Torre, Yankees .....2%
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/players/06/15/poll.manager/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/players/06/15/poll.manager/)
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Too bad popularity contests don't win ball games like Frank's managing does. They only win presidential elections and almost get Tino Martinez picked over Mark Texiara for all star games.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
2005 SI Players Poll [Based on a survey of 450 MLB players]
has Dusty Baker as number 3, thats all you need to know
my dislike of Scioscia goes back to his playing days and the way he handled the Donnelly incident was Bush League, also stupid that Donnelly's suspension was reduced
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Too bad popularity contests don't win ball games like Frank's managing does.
I hate confuse you with facts, but he hasn't exaclty won a lot of games a manager. Nor has he ever made the playoffs.
1975 Cleveland Indians 79-80 0.497
1976 Cleveland Indians 81-78 0.509
1977 Cleveland Indians 26-31 0.456
1981 San Francisco Giants 56-55 0.505
1982 San Francisco Giants 87-75 0.537
1983 San Francisco Giants 79-83 0.488
1984 San Francisco Giants 42-64 0.396
1988 Baltimore Orioles 54-101 0.348
1989 Baltimore Orioles 87-75 0.537
1990 Baltimore Orioles 76-85 0.472
1991 Baltimore Orioles 13-24 0.351
2002 Montreal Expos 83-79 0.512
2003 Montreal Expos 83-79 0.512
2004 Montreal Expos 67-95 0.414
Totals: 14 year(s) 913-1004 0.476
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Originally posted by general grievous:
also stupid that Donnelly's suspension was reduced
I call it the "Tavarez Precedent"
Of course, he actually threw a pitch before getting caught.
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Originally posted by general grievous:
has Dusty Baker as number 3, thats all you need to know
Clearly, they didn't ask a lot of pitchers.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I call it the "Tavarez Precedent"
Of course, he actually threw a pitch before getting caught.
I just think it is stupid any of them are reduced, what did they say to make a 2 game difference
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Yes, but he has managed the Expos/Nats franchise to winning records in three of his four seasons. Let's see anybody else do that given the team he's had.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Too bad popularity contests don't win ball games like Frank's managing does.
I hate confuse you with facts, but he hasn't exaclty won a lot of games a manager. Nor has he ever made the playoffs.
1975 Cleveland Indians 79-80 0.497
1976 Cleveland Indians 81-78 0.509
1977 Cleveland Indians 26-31 0.456
1981 San Francisco Giants 56-55 0.505
1982 San Francisco Giants 87-75 0.537
1983 San Francisco Giants 79-83 0.488
1984 San Francisco Giants 42-64 0.396
1988 Baltimore Orioles 54-101 0.348
1989 Baltimore Orioles 87-75 0.537
1990 Baltimore Orioles 76-85 0.472
1991 Baltimore Orioles 13-24 0.351
2002 Montreal Expos 83-79 0.512
2003 Montreal Expos 83-79 0.512
2004 Montreal Expos 67-95 0.414
Totals: 14 year(s) 913-1004 0.476 [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Yes, but he has managed the Expos/Nats franchise to winning records in three of his four seasons. Let's see anybody else do that given the team he's had.
Somehow this is lost on people (probably because nobody pays attention to the Epxos), but the Expos have had fantastic talent for years. They just can't hold on to them. I would argue that he should have done better.
For example, the 2002 Expos had Javy Vazquez, Carl Pavano, Zach Day, Tony Armas Jr., Tom Ohko and added Bartolo Colon for a playoff run. That's not exactly terrible. 5 of their bullpen guys are still in the bigs too.
Their infield was Orlando Cabrera, Fernando Tatis, Jose Vidro and The Big Cat, Andres Galaraga.
The Outfield was Bradd Wilkerson, Cliff Floyd/Will Cordero and some guy named Vladimir Guerrero.
2003 was nearly as talented, although they had less starting pitching but Livan Hernandez taking over for Colon isn't sour milk.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Somehow this is lost on people (probably because nobody pays attention to the Epxos), but the Expos have had fantastic talent for years.
lost on who? housewives?
the expos have been known for a decade+ as _the_ stereotypical "great farm system and great young talent but can't hold on to them" team
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
lost on who? housewives?
Are you calling Rhett a housewife?
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great win over prior today ... we're closing in on 20 games over .500 ... ridiculous ...