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Ehrlich Denounces Gay Marriage, Vows Legislative Fight
By Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 21, 2003; Page B01
Maryland Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. vowed yesterday to block efforts that would give gay couples the same legal rights as married people and said he would support legislation to ban recognition of same-sex marriages performed in other states.
During an interview on WTOP radio, Ehrlich (R) was emphatic in his rejection of gay marriage, saying Maryland lawmakers should not bother trying to capitalize on a Massachusetts court ruling this week that recognized a right to civil marriage regardless of sexual orientation.
"It's certainly not going to happen in Maryland," Ehrlich said. "End of discussion."
Ehrlich, who won election last fall as a moderate, said he is "generally of a libertarian mind-set" on homosexuality. He said he opposes measures that seek to criminalize gay sex, saying that "the government really should not be sticking its nose into consenting adults -- their behavior in the bedroom."
Gay marriage, on the other hand, "is far different," Ehrlich said. "The institution of marriage, obviously, is the bedrock of our foundation. It's been under attack; it's been weakened for many, many decades now. I'm not going to play a part in further weakening this incredibly important institution."
In the wake of the Massachusetts ruling -- the most conclusive recognition by a court of a right to same-sex marriage -- Democratic lawmakers have said they intend to introduce legislation to authorize civil unions for gay couples when the General Assembly convenes in January.
A coalition of Republicans and conservative Democrats, meanwhile, is planning to introduce "defense of marriage" legislation that would ban gay marriage and prohibit Maryland officials from recognizing same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.
Only Vermont allows civil unions of gay couples. Thirty-seven states, including Virginia, have passed laws that render legal recognition of same-sex unions moot within their borders.
Asked whether he expects an explosive battle over the issue in Maryland, as some lawmakers predict, Ehrlich dismissed gay marriage as "a marginal issue" advanced primarily by interest groups to help recruit members and raise money.
"It's a little bit like partial-birth abortion or the assault weapons ban. . . . If the major issue here is gay rights, for instance, this is an edge issue, a marginal issue. The major issue of abortion on the edge is partial-birth abortion, which is hardly ever performed. I oppose it. But you see my point," he said.
Del. Richard S. Madaleno Jr., one of the chief advocates of same-sex marriage in Maryland, said he will press legislation nonetheless, saying legal marriage "would be of incalculable worth to the few people who would benefit."
"It would allow such peace of mind when you think about putting your life in order," said Madaleno (D-Montgomery). "I wish the governor, who appropriately celebrates his marriage with Kendel in almost every forum, could look at other people, his friends, his staff people, who are in relationships that deserve the same sort of respect and security."
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Don't blame me. I sent money to Kennedy-Townsend.
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Why should anyone care if a gay couple want to marry? Permission for a civil marriage should be a given, if a particular religion doesn't agree then that's up to them, although I can't see how the Catholic church can have a problem with it seeing as they condone sex between men and boys.
Just my tuppence worth.
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It would seem obvious how gays have influenced the world negatively with their bad dance music and overemphasis on (bad) fashion. But how on earth would this further contribute to the weakening of marriage as an institution? Divorce rates would point to the fact that non-gays have done quite a job on fucking it up themselves.
On another note, in response to Ehrlich's pregnant wife saying she'd like to "shoot Britney Spears", Britney responded by saying, "I think she needs to get laid." Classic.
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if two concenting adults want to enter into a commitment, i don't see how a secular state can really choose who is allowed and who isn't.
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What a prick.
"It's certainly not going to happen in Maryland," Ehrlich said. "End of discussion."
At least he's open minded about it.
Gay marriage, on the other hand, "is far different," Ehrlich said. "The institution of marriage, obviously, is the bedrock of our foundation.
nice soundbite. means nothing.
It's been under attack; it's been weakened for many, many decades now.
You can thank the heteros for that. You've destroyed your own institution.
Asked whether he expects an explosive battle over the issue in Maryland, as some lawmakers predict, Ehrlich dismissed gay marriage as "a marginal issue" advanced primarily by interest groups to help recruit members and raise money.
"It's really not important. They're only gay people, after all."
"It's a little bit like partial-birth abortion or the assault weapons ban. . . . If the major issue here is gay rights, for instance, this is an edge issue, a marginal issue. The major issue of abortion on the edge is partial-birth abortion, which is hardly ever performed. I oppose it. But you see my point," he said.
"I'm all for gay rights, as long as we don't have to give them anything important."
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
What a prick.
HA! A prick that will never stand erect for gays! ;)
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Originally posted by mankie:
HA! A prick that will never stand erect for gays! ;)
<img src="http://members.nuvox.net/~sfagan/funny/werd.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Last night on The Daily Show, Jon Stewart went through a number of the Congressmen supporting the Defense of Marraige act, and noted their interest in this issue to a one as a result of their new respect for the institution of marriage, learned just after the dissolution of their marriages to their first wives....
It was a beautiful piece, goddamn hypocritical motherf*ckering congressmen.
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What is the "institution of marriage". Is that like a psycho ward? It just doesn't sound appealing. My biggest problem is that the conservatives won't come up with something equivalent that would allow homosexual couples to have the same legal and social standing as heterosexual couples. They want to promote monogamy but not give a good avenue for it for homosexuals.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
They want to promote monogamy but not give a good avenue for it for homosexuals.
I think you'll find Connecticut Avenue is a good avenue for homosexuals, especially around 18th St. NW.
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And Dupont circle right over the avenue...
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It's so nice to know that such open minded straight people won't let the "few" people who would like to be married and are gay get married. I mean can't he see that its wrong to not let people get married. I mean isn't that a right everyone should have. I think it is wrong that he is letting his opinion decide other people's future. But I guess that's how it works and i am being naive.
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they could pretend to be married....
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
"The institution of marriage, obviously, is the bedrock of our foundation.
the FUCK does that even mean ?
The bedrock of our foundation...sounds like a fucking geologist.
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Some people feel that why they really don't care what people do with their lives, they also don't want their children to see or be molded by gay marriages. I know I for one do not want its ok to be gay thrown in my child's face. While I don't give a ratâ??s ass if you are gay, I don't think its right or agree with it. Keep it to yourself, be tasteful about it. Why must we make special laws for gays, its as bad as having a black history month or a BET. Why is there no Asian history month? Everyone wants to be equal, but do everything they can to separate themselves from the rest. I don't want to offend anyone, but lets face it its time everyone shuts the fuck up and just lives. No need to glamorize being gay, black, white or anything else for that matter.
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who glamorizes being white?
you must care if you can talk about it that long.
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how does allowing gay marriage glamorize being gay? wtf? it's pretty much been scientifically proven that homosexuality is something you are born with. I mean, really...when you were a kid, do you really think if you saw 2 guys who were married, that would make you want to go out and gave some guy suck you off in a bathroom? lol...i just don't understand why people are so afraid of gay marriage......from the way you are talking, hey, might as well take a womens right to vote away as well since thats giving them "special rights"...hell, might as well make the blacks sit in the back of the bus again too, after all, who would want to give them the special right of sitting wherever they want?
for me, it's more of a seperation of church and state thing....they can ban it all they want to in church....i'm okay with that...but last time i checked, marriage is a civil affair.
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Of course I think they should be able to sit wherever the want, lol. You took some things I said the wrong way, or maybe I just did not know how to say what I feel the right way. Its a touchy subject.
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it all comes down to, whould you want a gay son???
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vwimports, im just wondering.. are you asian?
and by saying that gays shouldn't be given special rights, if they were allowed to wed that wouldn't be special rights. just catching up for years of not being able to do what straight americans can choose to do.
and to whomever said they didn't want gay to be shoved into their childrens faces, i can think of a hell of a lot "worse" things i will worry about my children having to see then someone who is gay. take for instance the nice crack houses that the government could care less about.
and do i want my children to be gay? (though i think that comment was sort of a light hearted joke..) i wouldnt care. id rather them be gay then date a wifebeater (or husbandbeater whatever) or a drug addict or someone whose family abuses the welfare system, etc.. etc...
i cant believe this is still a discussion. so much for love is blind. whats age matter? whats color matter? why the heck should sex matter.
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becuz it is against gods plan. gay men don't have to listen to womens problems and bitching.
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sure gay men have to listen to womens problems... haha.. i whine bitch and complain to my gay friends all of the time. why? because at least they tell me the truth. ;)
and i try to leave peoples religious (or lack there of) beliefs out of this, because you do not have to be affiliated with any religion to marry someone. and maybe "god" says different, but this is the state saying gays shouldnt have the right to marraige.
someone commented too, what ever happened to separation of church and state?.. oh yea, there never was such a thing.
i love america, i just dont understand some of its reasonings sometimes.
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god will except you for who you are and wants ppl to be compassionate. (switch sides for a minute)
but ur gay friends dont live with you.....i dont think...
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Originally posted by flawd101:
becuz it is against gods plan. gay men don't have to listen to womens problems and bitching.
:D
Apparently, you've never heard a Gay man throw a hissy fit. Gay men can out woman a woman any day!
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nope, i gladly haven't
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Originally posted by vwimports:
Why must we make special laws for gays, its as bad as having a black history month or a BET. Everyone wants to be equal, but do everything they can to separate themselves from the rest. I don't want to offend anyone, but lets face it its time everyone shuts the fuck up and just lives. No need to glamorize being gay, black, white or anything else for that matter.
They don't want special laws. They want the same laws that apply to every human American to apply to them. That's it. I marry, you marry, Bruce and Ken marry. There are very, very important benefits that come with civil marraige: survivor rights, property rights, hospitalization & medical rights.
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Originally posted by flawd101:
it all comes down to, whould you want a gay son???
Hmmm, you mean a stylish, smart, successful, fit son? Sure thing! His only problem will be dealing with the assholes of the world who want to give him a hard time because he's more stylish, smart, successful and fit than they are.
[No jabs about the 'stereotyping'....I know I'm doing it, but spend some time on 17th Street and you'll come to believe I'm right).
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Here is a article you all need to read..
I like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires. I
believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some governmental
stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts for
squirting out babies.Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes
you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one
is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are
no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA
BURKE?
I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is
an opinion. I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything
except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like
the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment
Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will
be knocking down your door. I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others
because they are different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people
who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black,
that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
I know what sex is, and there are not varying degrees of it. If I received
sex from one of my subordinates in my office, it wouldn't be a private
matter or my personal business. I would be "FIRED" immediately!
I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a
newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As
a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to
speak English! My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave
the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the
police should have every right to shoot your sorry self if you threaten them
after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or
stop" in English, see the above lines.
I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount
votes when needed. I know what the definition of lying is.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are
qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or
tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or
any other business. We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries
and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later
they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document;
and open to their interpretations.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I know pro wrestling is fake,
but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop
you from watching them. I believe a self-righteous liberal or conservative
with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue
to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system
that's better, and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that
invented the Internet to help you.
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a
parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds
when necessary, and say "NO!"
"I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't
pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that
new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you
serve me french fries!
I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not
a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be
African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying
I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great
grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
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Actually, I'll take kind, honest, respectful and positive thinking over the qualities you name. Qualities that seem to be lacking every bit as much in the gay world as in the straight world.
Yes, the queers down on 17th Street pay more attention to style than most people. But of what real importance is style?
And as long as a person lives a healthy lifestyle and is REASONABLY fit, who cares how fit they are? Many of the 17th Street queers are just walking vanity projects.
Smart is a good quality, but can you tell that someone is smart just by observing them on 17th Street?
And how do you define successful? There are a lot of pretty queers who make a lot of money and throw it away on consumerist junk. That means they are successful?
Originally posted by Bagster:
Originally posted by flawd101:
it all comes down to, whould you want a gay son???
Hmmm, you mean a stylish, smart, successful, fit son? Sure thing! His only problem will be dealing with the assholes of the world who want to give him a hard time because he's more stylish, smart, successful and fit than they are.
[No jabs about the 'stereotyping'....I know I'm doing it, but spend some time on 17th Street and you'll come to believe I'm right). [/b]
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Originally posted by vwimports:
Here is a article you all need to read...
I like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires. I
believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some governmental
stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts for
squirting out babies.Guns do not make you a killer...
are these the words of the Nuge? I think I remember something to this effect from him
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i agree with you vwimports....
i dont hate gays its just nasty seeing 2 guys together doing whatever......i gives me that feeling like after you are kicked in the gonads and you want to throw up(but i dont feel the pain...just the stomach problem...more or less...)
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Does vmimports actually work for Volkswagen? If he/she does then that would be peculiar considering that VW's public image is the gayest of all automakers. Not overtly gay, of course, but VW nevertheless appears to be the most gay-friendly.
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VW is more gay than Subaru? That is a close call...Doesn't Subaru have a lesbian couple in an ad?
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
VW is more gay than Subaru? That is a close call...Doesn't Subaru have a lesbian couple in an ad?
Dunno, haven't seen such an ad. Besides, I'm thinking more about aesthetics and style of ads. Perhaps what I really mean is that VW is very, er, metrosexual, which I'm sure vmimports would find just as frightening.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Actually, I'll take positive thinking over the qualities you name.
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I don't see the restriction of civil rights as a positive thinking personality trait....
And vwimports, two paragraphs in, your article makes no sense.
" The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. "
Then why the fuck the need for the boy scouts, brainiac? < that is to the author, not vwimports, unless he/she wrote it.
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Originally posted by vwimports:
Here is a article you all need to read..
This has been around a million times in different forms. Often misattributed to Ted Nugent. In fact this is an embellished version with more b.s. in it.
http://www.snopes.com/language/document/carlin.htm (http://www.snopes.com/language/document/carlin.htm)
shows more on this.
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if a vehicle ever said bend me over and roger me big boy, this is it: <img src="http://www.velocityphotos.com/images/stk/2003/sb2003baja01.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
if a vehicle ever said bend me over and roger me big boy, this is it: <img src="http://www.velocityphotos.com/images/stk/2003/sb2003baja01.jpg" alt=" - " />
Gads, that is scary, but you are so right.
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Does vmimports actually work for Volkswagen? If he/she does then that would be peculiar considering that VW's public image is the gayest of all automakers. Not overtly gay, of course, but VW nevertheless appears to be the most gay-friendly.
VW's own all, period... :)
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As far as I know these are quotes from the one and only Andy Rooney. Boy scouts have a purpose, a meaning.. Not something given to a less qualified person because he or she's skin color.
Originally posted by Bagster:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Actually, I'll take positive thinking over the qualities you name.
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I don't see the restriction of civil rights as a positive thinking personality trait....
And vwimports, two paragraphs in, your article makes no sense.
" The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. "
Then why the fuck the need for the boy scouts, brainiac? < that is to the author, not vwimports, unless he/she wrote it. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by vwimports:
As far as I know these are quotes from the one and only Andy Rooney. Boy scouts have a purpose, a meaning.. Not something given to a less qualified person because he or she's skin color.
How does BET give something to a "less qualified person" -- it's simply a specialized network. So how is that different from boy scouts? Boy Scouts is specialized for (1) boys of (2) certain age groups.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
How does BET give something to a "less qualified person" -- it's simply a specialized network. So how is that different from boy scouts? Boy Scouts is specialized for (1) boys of (2) certain age groups.
(3) Certain religions
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Originally posted by vwimports:
VW's own all, period... :) [/b]
All is it?
Volkswagen
Volkswagen is trying to transform Skoda
Volkswagen, Germany's largest car maker, has been aggressive in acquiring other car companies throughout Europe.
To complement its own cars and Germany's upmarket Audi brand which it bought in the 1970s, it has spent heavily to acquire the Rolls-Royce car factory, only to be pipped at the post by BMW who will own the brand name after 2003, leaving VW with the Bentley label and the manufacturing plant.
It has moved into Eastern Europe, buying the main car company in the Czech Republic, Skoda, which it hopes to re-invigorate with its own reputation for quality. It operates the SEAT subsidiary in Spain.
Volkswagen has sought out more luxury badges to add to its range, buying up Italy's Lamborghini and Bugatti labels.
The company also produces cars in the United States and Latin America.
NOT QUITE! :roll:
VW Cabrio is the gayest car on the road today!
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Originally posted by flawd101:
i dont hate gays its just nasty seeing 2 guys together doing whatever......i gives me that feeling like after you are kicked in the gonads and you want to throw up(but i dont feel the pain...just the stomach problem...more or less...)
Then stop visiting gay porn sites.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by flawd101:
i dont hate gays its just nasty seeing 2 guys together doing whatever......i gives me that feeling like after you are kicked in the gonads and you want to throw up(but i dont feel the pain...just the stomach problem...more or less...)
Then stop visiting gay porn sites. [/b]
good idea fucka:)
i have cable.....so i see it enough times....sadly