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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Vas Deferens on October 24, 2008, 09:52:00 am
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The Smiths??? My hotel is booked!
From NME:
Speculation has renewed that The Smiths may be on the verge of reforming.
According to a report in The Sun today (October 24), the four original members are close to signing a deal that would see them performing at the Coachella festival in California next year.
It is suggested that Morrissey's new manager - former MCA records boss Irving Azoff - has been instrumental in the proposed deal.
A source is quoted as saying: "It has looked impossible in the past but suddenly it all looks like it could happen. The buzz around the people who used to work for the band is they could play Coachella for a ludicrous amount of money.
"It's closer than it's ever been. The split was a messy affair, but time's a healer."
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Hmmm...pretty interesting. I'd certainly consider this.
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Mankie better start socking away the unemployment checks...
How about Lollapalooza too?
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there is also chatter about radiohead headlining one night, but i haven't been able to tell if it's based on anything or if it's just wishful thinking. they'll be touring in latin & south america just before coachella, so it's not impossible.
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I cannot fathom the insanity that would be this show. People will travel all over the world for this one. You could basically have Coachella be just the Smiths. Nobody else playing would really matter. People sometimes forget how rabid the average Smiths fan is. And they better have a different kind of barricade than what they normally have, Morrissey will get trampled by stage crashers.
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they successfully dealt with the RATM maelstrom, so they have some relevant experience :D
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i dont know, i bet the Smiths' fans could take Rage fans in the craziness category.
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I hope this happens. Johnny Marr deserves the chance to be reunited with his songs and his awesomeness.
Irving Azoff also manages GnR and I see him also orchestrating a true GnR reunion.
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Johnny Marr is easily one of the most talented songwriters/musicians alive. He's a genius.
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Originally posted by very sonick:
i dont know, i bet the Smiths' fans could take Rage fans in the craziness category.
yes, smith fans bring the crazy. but i just don't see "There Is a Light That Never Goes Out" whipping a crowd into a frenzy the way "Bulls On Parade" or "Killing in the Name" do.
regardless, it would be a crazy show and one that i'd be at :D
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The Smiths definitely not reuniting for Coachella 2009 (http://www.nme.com/news/the-smiths/40643)
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Ah oh well. I think The Sun had the original article on them reuniting, so go figure.
I'm still going to coachella no matter what though.
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I'm so relieved I left before that clusterfuck.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
they successfully dealt with the RATM maelstrom, so they have some relevant experience :D
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I'm still convinced that for all of Morrissey's saying he'll never do it, catch him at the right moment and he'd do it. Ultimately he'd still get adored, and even though he's a good businessman and done well solo, he'd still crumble. He can argue all he wants that the other guys aren't his friends, but the right manager could probably get him on board for one more show or tour.
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Originally posted by azaghal1981:
I'm so relieved I left before that clusterfuck.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
they successfully dealt with the RATM maelstrom, so they have some relevant experience :D
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you missed all the fun
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Now Morrissey is singing Smiths song himself we have no need for a Smiths reunion. Joyce and Rourke can go fuck themselves, but Morrissey and Marr together would be a 'life changing event' as some of you so like to say and over-dramatize things like this.
Morrissey and Marr were what Lennon and McCartney dreamed about being
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Originally posted by Cali:
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
I'm so relieved I left before that clusterfuck.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
they successfully dealt with the RATM maelstrom, so they have some relevant experience :D
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you missed all the fun [/b]
If you consider being batted around in a sea of asshole fratboys fun...
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Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Originally posted by Cali:
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
I'm so relieved I left before that clusterfuck.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
they successfully dealt with the RATM maelstrom, so they have some relevant experience :D
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you missed all the fun [/b]
If you consider being batted around in a sea of asshole fratboys fun... [/b]
Well I know many sorority sisters who would.......
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Originally posted by Ever Circling Skeletal Family:
Morrissey and Marr together would be a 'life changing event' as some of you so like to say and over-dramatize things like this.
Morrissey and Marr were what Lennon and McCartney dreamed about being
like i said, smith fans can definitely bring the crazy.
luckily the need to take them seriously is minimal.
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Originally posted by Ever Circling Skeletal Family:
Well I know many sorority sisters who would.......
You know many sorority sisters?
I underestimated this guy!
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I honestly cannot wait for this. Booked and BOOKED.
Oh, and this Smiths reunion thing sounds eerily similar to the supposed Cocteau Twins reunion that was supposed to take place at Coachella some years ago. Yeah...'member that?
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I'm thinking about heading to this is it still camping at the festival or no?
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I heard they were going to cancel this thing on account of the impending depression.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I heard they were going to cancel this thing on account of the impending depression.
you did not.
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Originally posted by wml7:
I'm thinking about heading to this is it still camping at the festival or no?
the difference being the cocteau twins were confirmed and listed on the initial lineup announcement. i hastily bought tickets when they went on sale without checking the up to date lineup. not sure if they canceled before or after, but finding out a month before the event not only broke my heart, but put a deep hole in my pocket :(
oh well, ended up being my favorite coachella.
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Seriously, camping at something like that is more draining than you can ever imagine. When I went in '07, I ended up leaving on sunday morning because I couldn't take another second of being out in that heat.
Simply put, if you aren't prepared to spare no expense, don't go to Coachella.
Originally posted by wml7:
I'm thinking about heading to this is it still camping at the festival or no?
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i didn't mind camping.
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Originally posted by azaghal1981:
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Seriously, camping at something like that is more draining than you can ever imagine. When I went in '07, I ended up leaving on sunday morning because I couldn't take another second of being out in that heat.
Simply put, if you aren't prepared to spare no expense, don't go to Coachella.
Originally posted by wml7:
I'm thinking about heading to this is it still camping at the festival or no?
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Is it that unbearable??? Bonnaroo is pretty humid and I managed just fine with that heat.
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It's not at all humid but it is in the desert. Once the sun is up, you're up.
And it goes from 60-ish to 90+ degrees in literally 5-10 minutes and just gets warmer and warmer and there's no escape from the heat.
In '07, it got upwards of 110 degrees on friday and saturday.
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i think the problem with Coachella is that it only gets to like 90 at night some years.
But I loathe camping and i am not alone. If you can bear similar conditions at Bonnaroo, i would say you could do Coachella.
At Coachella though, you're only allowed some tiny little place for a tent, no RV or camper or huge 20 man tent/tarp thing. It seemed that at Bonnaroo people were allowed way more room to camp.
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Well, if the Replacements rumor is true for Coachella, I'm thinking about it. Though I'm sure they'd end up doing a full blow tour, as I'm sure they all need money (maybe not Chris Mars, who I'd LOVE to see with them...)
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Originally posted by azaghal1981:
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Seriously, camping at something like that is more draining than you can ever imagine. When I went in '07, I ended up leaving on sunday morning because I couldn't take another second of being out in that heat.
Simply put, if you aren't prepared to spare no expense, don't go to Coachella.
another veteran of '07 saying the same thing: camping = risk of major discomfort and very little sleep if the weather is anything like it was that year. sonick, sounds like the weather was OK the year that you went... cool. but allowing people to camp in the 110+ degree weather we had amounted to a human rights violation. there is no shade. you will burn. what willl you do between 6:30 am when the sun turns your tent into an oven, and noon when the gates open? you'll be exhausted b/c of lack of sleep, but it'll be too hot to sleep anywhere. did i mention no shade? ok, maybe you could try crawling under a car.
renting a car and getting a hotel in indio or somewhere else nearby should be considered part of the expense of going to coachella (could be done for as little as ~$800, split that between 2). otherwise, you're taking a gamble on whether or not the festival will be bearable. seriously, if azaghal - arguably the biggest music fanatic here - decided that skipping a third of the festival was less painful than another day in that heat.
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Your status as a concert addict is now in serious doubt.
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Simply put, if you aren't prepared to spare no expense, don't go to Coachella.
Originally posted by wml7:
I'm thinking about heading to this is it still camping at the festival or no?
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indio isnt that bad, it was hotter than normal in 07. get a hotel room. you have running water and you'll sleep better
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
but it'll be too hot to sleep anywhere. did i mention no shade? ok, maybe you could try crawling under a car.
I've done that, although not at Coachella. Can't say I recommend it.
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Well the thing with Bonnaroo which I'm sure a lot of you have been to, is that pretty much you have to wake up at 6am every day. It's so freaking hot by that time you can't sleep. By that time you can go wander around in center roo and so forth. I don't know how Coachella is set up but if it's like Bonnaroo I don't see the problem with camping.
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I went to Coachella last year and didn't think the heat was that bad. I didn't camp though.
However, that being said, I am going back in 2009, and definitely camping to be with my friends.
I think i'll be alright. If i'm tired enough, i'll be able to fall asleep.
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Not having any shade was a killer. We were so exhausted by the time gates opened on the first day, the first thing we did was pass out for a good hour at the first shaded spot we came across. We were feeling pretty sick from the heat by then too but that kinda took care of itself.
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Some early confirmations, from interviews and myspace calendar/blog entries:
Buraka Som Sistema
White Lies
N.A.S.A.
Tinariwen
Fleet Foxes
DJ Luis Segura
DJ Hipnotic Starr (claims to be playing the campground with Mutayor)
DJ Gina Turner
DJ Morales
The Airbourne Toxic Event
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Fleet Foxes and N.A.S.A.! Off to a pretty good start, I'd say.
(Just listened to Buraka Som Sistema, sounds like a Portuguese/Baltimore dance-hybrid that I definitely can get behind!)
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A friend of mine was just asked to be The Morning After Girls new guitar player. Can't say any more about that in a public forum but he's just on the verge or officially taking them up on their offer. Anyway, according to him, apparently, The Morning After Girls are scheduled to play the festival; so I guess you can consider them as being unofficially on the bill.
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The Presets are on for Coachella. The Killers look to be in the bag for headlining Friday night.
Think that Smiths reunion thing might happen at Coachella? Morrissey's got dates lined up before AND after Coachella, so...hmm maybe?
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Do they have to have at least one throw-away headliner every year?
RHCP last year, Jack Johnson this year and now the Killers?
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EHHHHHHH.
The Presets are on for Coachella. The Killers look to be in the bag for headlining Friday night.
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Do they have to have at least one throw-away headliner every year?
RHCP last year, Jack Johnson this year and now the Killers?
some years they have more than one. hello, tiesto?
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haha! BROCHELLA.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/frankatcoachella/brochella2009.gif
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haha! BROCHELLA.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/frankatcoachella/brochella2009.gif
That is AMAZING, haha! I'd love to see YouTube clips of Dancing with the Stars on ICE from Coachella. HA!
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Anymore rumors about Blur, the Stone Roses, or the Replacements?
I'll bet the Killers are definitely going to be there.
I'd also be inclined to say that they'll get Morrissey this year because it's been ages since he played Coachella, and the Smiths WON'T be reuniting.
Guess we'll know in a couple of weeks for sure.
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haha! BROCHELLA.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/frankatcoachella/brochella2009.gif
this is an obvious fake: no RATM.
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My 100% purely speculative guess for Coachella this year is a reunited Guns n Roses.
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the killers have my vote for worst band of the decade. with that song "Human" they vaulted right over Coldplay for the top spot. dreadful.
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  the killers have my vote for worst band of the decade. with that song "Human" they vaulted right over Coldplay for the top spot. dreadful.
"Where does the worst band in the world live?
Three doors down."
-Funny, but true.
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the killers have my vote for worst band of the decade. with that song "Human" they vaulted right over Coldplay for the top spot. dreadful.
I'm just as repulsed by the Killers as anyone else but no band to form this decade is as bad as Nickelback.
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Three Days Grace?
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the killers have my vote for worst band of the decade. with that song "Human" they vaulted right over Coldplay for the top spot. dreadful.
I'm just as repulsed by the Killers as anyone else but no band to form this decade is as bad as Nickelback.
None.
did you know that certain entertainment sources refer to nickleback as a "grunge band"?
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It's like...redneck grunge.
Three Doors Down and Staind fall in that category, too.
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Completely 100% conjecture headliner guess #2:
Eminem
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http://consequenceofsound.net/festival-outlook/coachella-valley-music-and-arts-festival/
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I love that Britney is rumored.
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I think its been mentioned already but here is some more fuel for the fire....
http://www.nme.com/news/pavement/42028 (http://www.nme.com/news/pavement/42028)
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I love that Britney is rumored.
Fuck it, it's worth coming out a day early for, to see her 1st LA show on the tour. I have NO shame in wanting to see this. NONE.
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dude - you have no shame whatsoever, whether britney is involved or not :D
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dude - you have no shame whatsoever, whether britney is involved or not :D
This is very true!
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dude - you have no shame whatsoever, whether britney is involved or not :D
This is very true!
Random question - are you intending for your signature "Le-a" to be pronounced Le-dash-ah?
Believe it or not, I've heard of more than one person with that name spelling, where they are pronouncing they are using the hyphen as an actual substitute for "dash."
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dude - you have no shame whatsoever, whether britney is involved or not :D
This is very true!
both of you should really start posting on the Hot 97 board..seriously. wtf? lol!
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I love that Britney is rumored.
Fuck it, it's worth coming out a day early for, to see her 1st LA show on the tour. I have NO shame in wanting to see this. NONE.
As long as you have the right intentions (rooting for a trainwreck of epic proportions), I see nothing wrong with this.
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dude - you have no shame whatsoever, whether britney is involved or not :D
This is very true!
Random question - are you intending for your signature "Le-a" to be pronounced Le-dash-ah?
Believe it or not, I've heard of more than one person with that name spelling, where they are pronouncing they are using the hyphen as an actual substitute for "dash."
The dash don't be silent.
I love that Britney is rumored.
Fuck it, it's worth coming out a day early for, to see her 1st LA show on the tour. I have NO shame in wanting to see this. NONE.
As long as you have the right intentions (rooting for a trainwreck of epic proportions), I see nothing wrong with this.
Well...yeah, that's the main reason why I'd wanna go. But, believe I genuinely do loves me some Brit. Trashy, throwaway dance pop music is supposed to be taken at face value. I mean, if we can't acknowledge that she is just as culturally and musically relevant as whatever Pitchfork indie band like, for instance, Fleet Foxes, then we're not being fair.
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dude - you have no shame whatsoever, whether britney is involved or not :D
This is very true!
both of you should really start posting on the Hot 97 board..seriously. wtf? lol!
what exactly have i done to earn this scorn? i made a comment on ixkpd-bk's general disposition, as someone who knows him in real life i feel comfortable doing that. nothing to do with britney... oh, wait, my bad. it's manamitired. apologies for assuming he'd make sense.
I mean, if we can't acknowledge that she is just as culturally and musically relevant as whatever Pitchfork indie band like, for instance, Fleet Foxes, then we're not being fair.
wrong board.
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dude - you have no shame whatsoever, whether britney is involved or not :D
This is very true!
both of you should really start posting on the Hot 97 board..seriously. wtf? lol!
what exactly have i done to earn this scorn? i made a comment on ixkpd-bk's general disposition, as someone who knows him in real life i feel comfortable doing that. nothing to do with britney... oh, wait, my bad. it's manamitired. apologies for assuming he'd make sense.
I mean, if we can't acknowledge that she is just as culturally and musically relevant as whatever Pitchfork indie band like, for instance, Fleet Foxes, then we're not being fair.
wrong board.
ur right..is there a station that spins such great bands as pearl jam and the pet shop boys?
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I'm predicting that Leonard Cohen will be at Coachella this year.
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thats nice.
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Don't they usually announce the lineup by now? Weird.
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tomorrow around 730 am PST.
i'm sure it will leak tonite though :)
Don't they usually announce the lineup by now? Weird.
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Where's the info!?!? GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
I'm wondering if we'll get QOTSA? Morrissey? Adele? Metronomy? Fever Ray? Basement Jaxx? Massive Attack? Prodigy? Jay-Z?
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I don't think we are getting the lineup today. It was on the KROQ website yesterday that it will be announced this morn. Now this morn on the website it's gone. So who knows with the lineup. Also usually if the announcement was today we would have heard something about it last night. So who knows.
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Who is ?confirmed? (so far): The Airborne Toxic Event, The Bug. Brian Jonestown Massacre, Buraka Som Sistema, Christopher Lawrence, Crystal Castles, Drop The Lime, Fleet Foxes, Flying Lotus, Franz Ferdinand, Girl Talk, The Hold Steady, The Killers, The Knux, Mike Patton, N.A.S.A., No Age, Noah and the Whale, Late of the Pier, Los Campesinos!, Lupe Fiasco, Paul McCartney, Paul Weller, Peanut Butter Wolf, The Presets, Sebastian Tellier, Themselves, Tinariwen, X
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Joe. WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS THE LINEUP?
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In the interest of reducing world Internet traffic, we can tell you that the lineup for the 2009 edition of the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival will NOT be announced today. That?s according to Paul Tollett, the chief architect of the signature California rock festival, who feels the pain of fans who JUST. NEED. TO. KNOW.
Tollett says, ?I know everybody is going crazy, but we?re not stalling, we?re still working on the show. Everything we do is in service of the show, not in service of the announcement of the show. Believe me, we?re excited to tell everybody and we want to tell everybody, but the show is still being put together.?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/01/coachella-fans.html
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well, The Killers and Paul McCartney will be there as headliners...not excited about either.
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well, The Killers and Paul McCartney will be there as headliners...not excited about either.
they're really running the gammut from "guy from band who made rock and roll" to "band who's made the biggest mockery of rock and roll"
Coachella has it all!
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Good to see they're keeping their indie cred intact.
well, The Killers and Paul McCartney will be there as headliners...not excited about either.
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Good to see they're keeping their indie cred intact.
well, The Killers and Paul McCartney will be there as headliners...not excited about either.
coachella has NO shame. and hasnt for years. certainly not for me anymore!
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well they lost me with Prince and Roger Waters last year...
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Nine Inch Nails, Morrissey and Franz Ferdinand on Friday
the Killers, Neil Young and Basement Jaxx on Saturday
Paul McCartney, the Foo Fighters and the Chemical Brothers on Sunday.
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I will tell you that Basement Jaxx put on one of the best and most surprising sets i've seen at Coachella. It was....i guess the Cure or someone on the main stage and Basement Jaxx simply exploded on the 2nd stage. I dont even think anyone expected it. We wandered by about 10 minutes in and there were maybe 3000 people in front of the stage, by the end of the set it must have tripled. and everyone was going totally insane.
pretty spontaneous, which is what i loved about coachella. not sure that kinda stuff happens there anymore.
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Nine Inch Nails, Morrissey and Franz Ferdinand on Friday
the Killers, Neil Young and Basement Jaxx on Saturday
Paul McCartney, the Foo Fighters and the Chemical Brothers on Sunday.
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I'd strongly consider going to VFest if Paul McCartney were heading.... Saw him in 2001 and it was a great show, about the strongest set list in the biz, accompanied with tremendous visuals, and his younger backing band really ignited his performance. Kosmette said it was the best concert she had ever attended...
Of course it would be cool to hear some of the tracks from The Fireman release done live as well...
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Nine Inch Nails, Morrissey and Franz Ferdinand on Friday
the Killers, Neil Young and Basement Jaxx on Saturday
Paul McCartney, the Foo Fighters and the Chemical Brothers on Sunday.
on the upside, this means that FF and the chem bros will be in north america and with some luck they'll be booked for east coast concerts. both are not-to-be-missed shows, notwithstanding the formers most recent album.
i've never seen BJaxx live but i can imagine that they're a ton of fun too.
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Nine Inch Nails, Morrissey and Franz Ferdinand on Friday
the Killers, Neil Young and Basement Jaxx on Saturday
Paul McCartney, the Foo Fighters and the Chemical Brothers on Sunday.
Are the Foo Fighters really that big? Like, I knew they were big around here because they're semi-hometown-ish and I know they get shit played on MTV which doesn't say a lot but I mean. I didn't know that had such a big national fanbase.
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you do realize they sold out wembley stadium, right? their arena shows sell out within an hour, often a lot less. yeah, i'd say they're pretty big.
EDIT: i guess the question is "are they STILL that big?"... their last album wasn't that great and they haven't done much recently. then again, they are supposedly on an extended hiatus, so any show is bound to attracted their fans.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSqWcoaCquc&feature=channel_page
pretty good live
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I actually like to "Brochella" headliners more, despite them being mostly containing dead guys. and i just noticed the amazing booking of Neutral Milk Hotel performing a Limp Bizkit album. and not even the one that was popular.
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I'm in if what Joe said is real.
NIN, Jaxx, Chem Bros. All I need.
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Shit Shit Shit!
http://coachella.com/event/lineup
What's the over/under on when Winehouse backs out? March 10th?
Also...no Jaxx.
The 3rd day is edging out to be the best day so far, lineup wise. Even though I'm wondering how is Antony going to be at a festival like that?
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(http://info.aeglive.com/gv/coachella/2009/emails/01_30_09_onsale/mainPoster.jpg)
wow, that' huge for thievery - headlining their own stage, in all likelihood. good for them. they even got billing above TVotR!
will MBV bring in their own sound system and crank it to level that they are accustomed to, or will they have to limit themselves to "normal" festival volume?
The 3rd day is edging out to be the best day so far, lineup wise. Even though I'm wondering how is Antony going to be at a festival like that?
H&LA are playing on saturday - i wonder if he'll join the band on stage.
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shoooot, I was right about Leonard Cohen ;D ;D ;D
Sunday looks great. Saturday needs a real headliner, as I don't think the Killers are big enough/good enough.
Superchunk! wow..Gui Boratto!
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wow, that actually is a really nice lineup. while the top 3 dont impress me, there are some pretty decent sub-headliners and some gems at the bottom. Perhaps its cause i've been to 5 shows in the least 6 months that i havent seen any of these guys already!
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I'm telling you, that third day is ACE.
Aside from Roni Size, Groove Armada, Paolo Nutini, Christopher Lawrence, Late of the Pier, K'Naan, Gaslight Anthem and Brian Jonestown Massacre, I'd want to see all of those bands.
It's ace.
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That's funny, because to me that day is by far the weakest.
I'm telling you, that third day is ACE.
Aside from Roni Size, Groove Armada, Paolo Nutini, Christopher Lawrence, Late of the Pier, K'Naan, Gaslight Anthem and Brian Jonestown Massacre, I'd want to see all of those bands.
It's ace.
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I think it's just proof that this great festival appeals to people with all tastes. :)
You comin' out to the desert, Charlie?
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the Bloody Beetroots???? how awesome. and on the same day as Thievery and MSTRKRFT? I would be too tired to care about the Killers by 10pm!
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Haha Hell no!
Hiking the Grand Canyon is the only desert activity I'm up for.
I think it's just proof that this great festival appeals to people with all tastes. :)
You comin' out to the desert, Charlie?
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I'm seriously considering day 2 and 3. Day 1 is really lackluster IMO. But Day 3 fucking kills.
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my love for so many of those bands and of the lineup in general is far outweighed by my HATE for Coachella. :/
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What the hell are you talking about? There's three artist at the whole festival that everybody needs to see once in their lifetime (although i probably never will), and they're all on day 1. Day 2 has the best undercard, and day 3 is lame.
I'm seriously considering day 2 and 3. Day 1 is really lackluster IMO. But Day 3 fucking kills.
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Let's discuss possibilities for the REAL Saturday headliner.
Springsteen?
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I swore I'd never go to a festival again after my first/last Coachella.
Rethinking...
Time for my obligatory "hey seth" thread post.
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What the hell are you talking about? There's three artist at the whole festival that everybody needs to see once in their lifetime (although i probably never will), and they're all on day 1.
who are those three artists? McCartney, Cohen and... Patton? i'd say Franz, but i doubt you'd agree. if you say Bingham i'm hitting you upside the head.
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I gotta say it's a pretty cool lineup
I think people will have fun if they go
And isn't that the bottom line?
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I think people will have fun if they go and don't camp.
There, I fixed that.
;)
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i thought wearing indie cool shirts, bottled water, and experimenting with drugs was the bottom line.
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What the hell are you talking about? There's three artist at the whole festival that everybody needs to see once in their lifetime (although i probably never will), and they're all on day 1.
who are those three artists? McCartney, Cohen and... Patton? i'd say Franz, but i doubt you'd agree. if you say Bingham i'm hitting you upside the head.
Winehouse, obvs.
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What the hell are you talking about? There's three artist at the whole festival that everybody needs to see once in their lifetime (although i probably never will), and they're all on day 1.
who are those three artists? McCartney, Cohen and... Patton? i'd say Franz, but i doubt you'd agree. if you say Bingham i'm hitting you upside the head.
i think he was referring to Peanut Butter Wolf, Crystal Method and Felix Da Housecat.
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Why can't Americans hold festivals in sensible locations and sensible times of the year like the Connect Festival in Scotland at the end of August start of September when temperatures are in the 70s
(http://photos-d.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v198/147/76/25323606600/n25323606600_724755_3455.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/connectmusicfestival
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Ok...done rethinking.
Not even that lineup could sell me.
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I am stunned that Thievery got such a high billing. I know they're considered a great live band, and they consistently sell the HELL out of the club. But I figured they were mostly a local phenomen. I mean, TV on the Radio are major (music) media figures that have seen two of their three albums proclaimed by many as the best of their respective years.
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Sunday is so awesome, I usually hate outdoor concerts but I am going to have to go to this one for sure this year.
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Read your newspapers and magazines from other parts of the world. I reckon they'd clue you in.
I am stunned that Thievery got such a high billing. I know they're considered a great live band, and they consistently sell the HELL out of the club. But I figured they were mostly a local phenomen. I mean, TV on the Radio are major (music) media figures that have seen two of their three albums proclaimed by many as the best of their respective years.
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Ok...done rethinking.
Not even that lineup could sell me.
dude, with a hotel coachella is completely do-able. the same year that you were baking your brains in the refugee camp, i was sharing a perfectly fine $200/night hotel with a 24-hour hot tub. coming back from a long day of dancing and soaking in the tub with a beer in hand was heavenly. it adds a few hundred bucks to the bill, but as you can attest the alternative isn't tenable. i consider it part of the cost of actually enjoying myself there :)
What the hell are you talking about? There's three artist at the whole festival that everybody needs to see once in their lifetime (although i probably never will), and they're all on day 1.
who are those three artists? McCartney, Cohen and... Patton? i'd say Franz, but i doubt you'd agree. if you say Bingham i'm hitting you upside the head.
charlie? charlie?
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with a hotel coachella is completely do-able. the same year that you were baking your brains in the refugee camp, i was sharing a perfectly fine $200/night hotel with a 24-hour hot tub. coming back from a long day of dancing and soaking in the tub with a beer in hand was heavenly. it adds a few hundred bucks to the bill, but as you can attest the alternative isn't tenable. i consider it part of the cost of actually enjoying myself there :)
after getting through traffic to and from the field, waiting in line for a million years to get in (missing bands while some girl tries to convince security to let her bring her pillow/blanket/other prohibited item in) to pay too much money for food and water and relieve yourself in port-o-potties for three days straight all while in the sun with no shade and thousands of people...do-able, yes, but enjoyable? no
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Why can't Americans hold festivals in sensible locations and sensible times of the year like the Connect Festival in Scotland at the end of August start of September when temperatures are in the 70s
to be fair, scotland couldn't hold a festival in 90+ degree weather if it wanted to :D
i think it was sonick who pointed out that the year that he was at 'chella, the weather was actually quite nice. blame global warming?
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You're joking, right?
I have no doubt there are better shows on the bill, but the three icons on the bill have to be McCartney, Morrissey, and Cohen. Not that they are even favorites of mine, but it would be nice to say that I saw them.
What the hell are you talking about? There's three artist at the whole festival that everybody needs to see once in their lifetime (although i probably never will), and they're all on day 1.
who are those three artists? McCartney, Cohen and... Patton? i'd say Franz, but i doubt you'd agree. if you say Bingham i'm hitting you upside the head.
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after getting through traffic to and from the field, waiting in line for a million years to get in (missing bands while some girl tries to convince security to let her bring her pillow/blanket/other prohibited item in) to pay too much money for food and water and relieve yourself in port-o-potties for three days straight all while in the sun with no shade and thousands of people...do-able, yes, but enjoyable? no
- traffic isn't an issue if you take any route than monroe ave. (aka where 95% of people will be). with some strategic parking, we made it back to our hotel in indio 15 minutes after climbing into the car.
- i don't remember ever spending more than 20 minutes to get through security
- i thought the food prices were relatively reasonable and the selection above average. overall, i was rather impressed with the food at coachella.
- can't do much about the port-o-potties :(
- shade was available, it just wasn't always on hand where you wanted it (i.e. where your fav band was playing).
if you're speaking from experience, sorry to hear your time at coachella was so miserable. personally, i think the festival is top-notch. looks highly unlikely that i'll be able to make this this year, tho.
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http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/ctdri-residence-inn-palm-desert/
$119/night. 2 Bedroom suite. 2 bathrooms. Balcony overlooking the desert/mountains. 15 minutes from the fields.
You can't really beat that!
Not to mention, the way to really beat the traffic at Coachella is to just lay around after the show and laze it up with your friends staring at the sky all sweaty and worn out. It's a bonding experience, f'real. When I went, we hung around for a while til traffic died down and it was smooth sailing. Seriously, leave early, hang out, and leave happy. That's the key.
As far as the heat/etc., it's really just about staying in the shade as long as you need to, and being practical about shit (sunscreen/water/food). Obviously if it's 100+ degrees out, and you're dehydrated, don't do any ridiculous drugs, mmkay.
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I am up for Sunday but not sure right now (I still owe a boardie $$...haha). Where are ya getting the $119/night? (or was the price when you booked early?)
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I am up for Sunday but not sure right now (I still owe a boardie $$...haha). Where are ya getting the $119/night? (or was the price when you booked early?)
Shhh, here's a secret. My sister works for Ritz Carlton/Marriott, so I get her rate throughout the chain. (And yeah, early booking.)
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Charlie is pissed that Marnie Stern and Animal collective are not in the lineup :P
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- traffic isn't an issue if you take any route than monroe ave. (aka where 95% of people will be). with some strategic parking, we made it back to our hotel in indio 15 minutes after climbing into the car.
- i don't remember ever spending more than 20 minutes to get through security
- i thought the food prices were relatively reasonable and the selection above average. overall, i was rather impressed with the food at coachella.
- can't do much about the port-o-potties :(
- shade was available, it just wasn't always on hand where you wanted it (i.e. where your fav band was playing).
if you're speaking from experience, sorry to hear your time at coachella was so miserable. personally, i think the festival is top-notch. looks highly unlikely that i'll be able to make this this year, tho.
speaking from experience. it wasn't the worst experience ever, but it was truly exhausting and not worth the money or the energy. Definitely waited more than an hour just to get in...and I showed up early to catch one of the first few bands. clearly you haven't much different dietary restrictions and price expectations than I do. Found no shade except under my own hat or in empty tents that were empty because the music wasn't good. and traffic getting there wasn't bad. getting out? totally different story. took about 1.5 hours to go a distance that should have taken 20 minutes. And that wasn't even at one of the more crowded years.
So many other festivals are so much more worth the effort and cost less (in money and time). I couldn't even be convinced to go if I lived in LA and was actually within driving distance
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I am up for Sunday but not sure right now (I still owe a boardie $$...haha). Where are ya getting the $119/night? (or was the price when you booked early?)
Shhh, here's a secret. My sister works for Ritz Carlton/Marriott, so I get her rate throughout the chain. (And yeah, early booking.)
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/ctdri-residence-inn-palm-desert/
$119/night. 2 Bedroom suite. 2 bathrooms. Balcony overlooking the desert/mountains. 15 minutes from the fields.
You can't really beat that!
Not to mention, the way to really beat the traffic at Coachella is to just lay around after the show and laze it up with your friends staring at the sky all sweaty and worn out. It's a bonding experience, f'real. When I went, we hung around for a while til traffic died down and it was smooth sailing. Seriously, leave early, hang out, and leave happy. That's the key.
As far as the heat/etc., it's really just about staying in the shade as long as you need to, and being practical about shit (sunscreen/water/food). Obviously if it's 100+ degrees out, and you're dehydrated, don't do any ridiculous drugs, mmkay.
I need to stop reading this thread before temptations get the best of me again.
Yep; this thread is dead to me from here on out.
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Does anyone think that Morrissey's set will feature a special guest guitar player (Johnny Marr) on a few songs? I know there were loads of rumors of a Smiths reunion and I get the feeling that the line up flyer is kinda lying about it just being Morrissey. Any thoughts?
I gotta say it's a pretty cool lineup
I think people will have fun if they go
And isn't that the bottom line?
Totally. I agree!
So I guess here's a good question...what's the chances of some of these interesting headliners (not the killers though...) being at V-fest? I'd rather spend my money on V-fest than Coachella if that means I'd get to see Leonard Cohen or Paul McCartney.
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Shepard Fairey is on that lineup for Sunday...is he doing music?
I thought he just did graphic design. Hmph.
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M.I.A. got added for Saturday.
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Does anyone think that Morrissey's set will feature a special guest guitar player (Johnny Marr) on a few songs? I know there were loads of rumors of a Smiths reunion and I get the feeling that the line up flyer is kinda lying about it just being Morrissey. Any thoughts?
No way. They'd advertise that if they knew it was happening; would sell too many tickets to keep that quiet.
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The Antony set will be with Matthew fucking Herbert!
Between this and MBV, I may have been sold on sunday.
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I'll be there for Sunday.
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Hercules and Love Affair will no longer play...
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See you guys in Indio in...2 1/2 weeks?
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I'll be going, only 10 more days actually. Fly out Thursday morning, the wait is so long at this point!
set times should be out in about a week.
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Btw - you guys didn't really talk about this, but back in March, there were a few additions to the lineup:
Chemical Brothers (DJ set)
The Orb (live)
Etienne De Crecy (live)
Plump DJs
Busy P
And, on Saturday, the Dome will be open for the first time from 1 - 4 AM, featuring sets by various experimental/dubstep DJs such as Flying Lotus and Kode9. This is for campers only, too.
And, Amy Winehouse dropped from the lineup because she was denied her visa. Hahahahaha.
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Saturday lineup BLOWS. The Orb are kinda boring live. Etienne De Crecy could be good, but Saturday is like the worst ever Coachella day.
Btw - you guys didn't really talk about this, but back in March, there were a few additions to the lineup:
Chemical Brothers (DJ set)
The Orb (live)
Etienne De Crecy (live)
Plump DJs
Busy P
And, on Saturday, the Dome will be open for the first time from 1 - 4 AM, featuring sets by various experimental/dubstep DJs such as Flying Lotus and Kode9. This is for campers only, too.
And, Amy Winehouse dropped from the lineup because she was denied her visa. Hahahahaha.
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Saturday lineup BLOWS. The Orb are kinda boring live. Etienne De Crecy could be good, but Saturday is like the worst ever Coachella day.
Btw - you guys didn't really talk about this, but back in March, there were a few additions to the lineup:
Chemical Brothers (DJ set)
The Orb (live)
Etienne De Crecy (live)
Plump DJs
Busy P
And, on Saturday, the Dome will be open for the first time from 1 - 4 AM, featuring sets by various experimental/dubstep DJs such as Flying Lotus and Kode9. This is for campers only, too.
And, Amy Winehouse dropped from the lineup because she was denied her visa. Hahahahaha.
Unless there was a stage that was:
Ida Maria --> Junior Boys --> Fleet Foxes --> Jenny Lewis --> M.I.A.
I'm not so into going on Saturday.
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Drive By Truckers, Band Of Horses, and Fleet Foxes would be enough to get me there on Saturday.
That is, assuming I had unlimited cash flow, didn't have a two year old at home, and didn't have my mom flying in to celebrate her birthday that day.
Saturday lineup BLOWS. The Orb are kinda boring live. Etienne De Crecy could be good, but Saturday is like the worst ever Coachella day.
Btw - you guys didn't really talk about this, but back in March, there were a few additions to the lineup:
Chemical Brothers (DJ set)
The Orb (live)
Etienne De Crecy (live)
Plump DJs
Busy P
And, on Saturday, the Dome will be open for the first time from 1 - 4 AM, featuring sets by various experimental/dubstep DJs such as Flying Lotus and Kode9. This is for campers only, too.
And, Amy Winehouse dropped from the lineup because she was denied her visa. Hahahahaha.
Unless there was a stage that was:
Ida Maria --> Junior Boys --> Fleet Foxes --> Jenny Lewis --> M.I.A.
I'm not so into going on Saturday.
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Enough to pay $100 to see all 3 bands? I do like these bands but I've seen them all in smaller venues.
Drive By Truckers, Band Of Horses, and Fleet Foxes would be enough to get me there on Saturday.
That is, assuming I had unlimited cash flow, didn't have a two year old at home, and didn't have my mom flying in to celebrate her birthday that day.
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FAIL. ;D
Junior Boys at Black Cat in May...
Ida Maria just played BC.
Fleet Foxes played 3 times at the BC.
Jenny Lewis playing 930
M.I.A. ..well how many times do we have to see her?
Saturday is one major FAIL.
Unless there was a stage that was:
Ida Maria --> Junior Boys --> Fleet Foxes --> Jenny Lewis --> M.I.A.
I'm not so into going on Saturday.
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No, there's not much I'd pay $100 to see. I was assuming with unlimited cash flow.
But then again, if I had had already sunk a ton of money into flying out there, paying for lodging, renting a car, and going the other days, what's another $100?
Enough to pay $100 to see all 3 bands? I do like these bands but I've seen them all in smaller venues.
Drive By Truckers, Band Of Horses, and Fleet Foxes would be enough to get me there on Saturday.
That is, assuming I had unlimited cash flow, didn't have a two year old at home, and didn't have my mom flying in to celebrate her birthday that day.
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Sunday is a good value...if I would be there Friday I'd consider that too, but Saturday is pretty much a waste. They were trying to get Neil Young to headline Saturday night. I think they should have scaled back to 2 days this year, but once the stage is erected they probably figure they can make more money this way. I'd be surprised if more than 30,000 or 40,000 people show up on any given day though. That's got to smart for Goldenvoice. I think capacity is somewhere around 60,000.
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I know! Its going to be super "spacious".
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I know! Its going to be super "spacious".
great marketing campaign - "come to coachella, it's spacious!" :)
saturday is the day the festival gets the most day-trippers from LA, so they probably felt that was the day they least needed to stack the line-up - partiers are going to come down anyways. if you don't have enough big names for all three days, it makes sense to save the heavy hitters for friday and sunday.
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Sunday is a good value...if I would be there Friday I'd consider that too, but Saturday is pretty much a waste. They were trying to get Neil Young to headline Saturday night. I think they should have scaled back to 2 days this year, but once the stage is erected they probably figure they can make more money this way. I'd be surprised if more than 30,000 or 40,000 people show up on any given day though. That's got to smart for Goldenvoice. I think capacity is somewhere around 60,000.
You can expect that kind of attendance for Friday, single day passes for the day sold out.
Also, in terms of sales, last I heard (and this was back in late Feb/early March) that Saturday was selling better than Sunday. This would make sense, because a majority of the adds that came in March were indeed added to Sunday. Hmmm.
GV's plan for this lineup was to stack up Friday and Sunday, making Saturday the weaker day. They figured that people would just give in and buy 3-day passes for the fest.
There's also a rumor from CoS that a big name (headliner worthy) could be added very very soon, and Paul T (books the fest) apparently said in a very recent interview that the lineup "wasn't finalized yet". Interesting speculation.
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Everyone's throwing around David Bowie on Saturday now. Sounds good!
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Haha, I'm a regular on the coachella boards, and they've been doing that Bowie shit every year. He's not going to play. Everyone just wants him and turns their wishing into speculation and then into rumor.
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looking forward to hearing reports from the field. based on web reports, thievery played a good and well-received set (example (http://spin.com/articles/best-worst-coachella-day-2)). mccartney played a 9-song beatles encore... cool. and according to CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/19/killers.coachella.daytwo/index.html), "David Hasselhoff was spotted making out with a mystery lady near the restrooms."
anyone catch anything good on the stream? if i'm still up, i might watch some of the cure later tonight (http://music.att.net/)
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from pitchfork's twitter:
pitchforkmediagen p-orridge shows up @ throbbing gristle #coachella gig in full milliondollar matchmaker drag. is that coil's peter in cow costume? (orme)
to see peter christopherson in a cow costume, let alone just him on stage would've justified whatever it would've cost me to go to coachella.
that and mbv of course...
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video + pics from TG's performance in NYC where you can see Peter wearing his cow robe:
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2009/04/throbbing_grist_4.html
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I saw a little kid wearing a Tigger suit yesterday that the zoo!
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Morrissey played Some Girls Are Bigger Then Others which is pretty :o.
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Im at LAX on my way back to DC now. Been up for 24-hours straight and I want to die/kill/maim. Dear GOD does my body hurt or what?!?!
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Everyone is saying the Cure was the best show out of the whole weekend. They kept playing even though Coachella pulled the plug on the power and the sound system. Played over some 30 songs.
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Everyone is saying the Cure was the best show out of the whole weekend. They kept playing even though Coachella pulled the plug on the power and the sound system. Played over some 30 songs.
perhaps robert wanted to offer some "free" music like radiohead.
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Everyone is saying the Cure was the best show out of the whole weekend.
really? maybe it just didn't translate at all, but i thought the stream of their shows last night was rather... average. the band sounded fine and i'm sure fans were eating it up but for the casual listener it appear to be anything special.
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Everyone is saying the Cure was the best show out of the whole weekend.
really? maybe it just didn't translate at all, but i thought the stream of their shows last night was rather... average. the band sounded fine and i'm sure fans were eating it up but for the casual listener it appear to be anything special.
I think people were just impressed that they would keep playing despite the power and everything being shut off.
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Yeah, they played from like 9:45 to 12:35. I caught the last two hours or so, and it was VERY intense. Not the best of the festival though, that would be a three way tie between Leonard Cohen on Friday, My Bloody Valentine, and Antony and the Johnsons. Slight edge to Antony for being completely unexpected and taking major risks with his performance that worked VERY well.
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Yeah, they played from like 9:45 to 12:35. I caught the last two hours or so, and it was VERY intense. Not the best of the festival though, that would be a three way tie between Leonard Cohen on Friday, My Bloody Valentine, and Antony and the Johnsons. Slight edge to Antony for being completely unexpected and taking major risks with his performance that worked VERY well.
lucky bastard for being there.
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what did antony do that was so unexpected?!? wants to know!
interesting synopsis of one writer's coachella experience: Coachella 2009, By The Numbers (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2009/04/coachella_2009.php)
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Just got back and had an amazing time. Favorite sets:
Gui Boratto
Leonard Cohen (probably one of the most hauntingly beautiful voices I've ever heard)
A Place To Bury Strangers
The Chemical Brothers
M.A.N.D.Y.
Plump DJs
The Orb
My Bloody Valentine
Throbbing Gristle
other pretty good sets
Bloody Beetroots
Crookers
The Cure
Zane Lowe (almost a guilty pleasure)
Brian Jonestown Massacre
No Age
Liars
all in all a very fun weekend indeed.
oh, and for the Throbbing Gristle fans, here is their setlist from coachella:
Persuasion
Fed Up
Live Ray - Violin
Hamburger Lady
Almost a Kiss
Springbankistan
Endless Not
What a Day
Discipline
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what did antony do that was so unexpected?!? wants to know!
interesting synopsis of one writer's coachella experience: Coachella 2009, By The Numbers (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2009/04/coachella_2009.php)
Antony just fucking owned it. He did all songs from The Crying Light and a B-Side ("Where Is My Power?"), and he tore it the fuck up. Every song had wildly new arrangements with beats accompanied by the string section and his voice. The highlight was either the crazy, Underworld-sounding new mix of Everglade, or the house mix he did of Another World with him looping his own vocals and just going at it for like 3 extra minutes.
People were genuinely freaking the fuck out (myself included), and LOVED what he did with the arrangements. It was definitely a one-off thing, but that bootleg can't come quick enough!
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antony went electronic?!? yeah that boot can't come fast enough!!!
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It doesn't give half of the energy and excitement of being there, but there's a decent YouTube clip of him doing Kiss My Name with these freaky looped handclaps and the string section. There was a synth player/drummer off to the side that you can't see in the video.
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I'm back in DC...had the most fantastic trip. I'm sorry I missed out on MBV at the El Rey, that would have been awesome. I thought the Murder City Devils were fantastic, so was X. X played "the Have Nots" which was SO cool. Caught some of Peter Bjorn and John, which was good, as well as a couple tunes from the Yeah Yeah Yeahs. MBV were great for the first 3/4, but "You Made Me Realize" just doesn't translate well in the open air. You need the full effect of them blowing up a structure like the Aragon Ballroom because it's not just about the sound of the feedback but the FEEL of it as well. Caught about an hour of the Cure and then got a craving for In and Out. I was in bed by the time they finished their set, but I'm OK with that.
I did a LOT of other cool rock'n'roll related stuff. I went to Hollywood Forever cemetery to see Dee Dee and Johnny Ramone...I met Lara Clarkson's mom while I was there and she told me all this crazy stuff about the Phil Spector trial. Very surreal. Then I went to Sunset where the Elliott Smith Figure 8 memorial is. I even went by the house where he died. I did a private tour with a buddy of mine who runs www.findadeath.com, so he knows where all the cool shit is. We went by the LaBianca house in Los Feliz, and we went up into the Hollywood Hills to see the Bat Cave.
Random sightings: Scott Ian from Anthrax at LAX (he came out right after Scottish actor Alan Cumming), Michael Madsen and Karen O at LAX yesterday. It was pretty wild. Had a great time shopping at Amoeba Records in SF and in LA.
Smackie, the trip went WAY too fast, but I'll be back your way in August. Let's get together then, I'll plan it out better. Are you on Facebook?
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lucky bastards
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The most hilarious thing was driving by Glenn Danzig's house...sunny, beautiful LA and all of a sudden a house that's hanging by a thread, complete with overgrown weeds and ominous huge gate closed by a heavy chain with a padlock on it. I wish I had gotten a photo.
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My random sightings this trip were:
Shirley Manson in the VIP on Sunday, and watching the YYY's side stage.
Gary Busey in Santa Monica
Madeliene Albright at the Farmers Market/The Grove
Bradley Cooper on Friday watching Leonard Cohen
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So I was going to get all snarky about how Antony could tear anything the fuck up, but I checked out the video of Kiss My Name on Pitchfork...and yeah, that was pretty fucking cool.
Antony just fucking owned it. He did all songs from The Crying Light and a B-Side ("Where Is My Power?"), and he tore it the fuck up. Every song had wildly new arrangements with beats accompanied by the string section and his voice. The highlight was either the crazy, Underworld-sounding new mix of Everglade, or the house mix he did of Another World with him looping his own vocals and just going at it for like 3 extra minutes.
People were genuinely freaking the fuck out (myself included), and LOVED what he did with the arrangements. It was definitely a one-off thing, but that bootleg can't come quick enough!
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what did antony do that was so unexpected?!? wants to know!
interesting synopsis of one writer's coachella experience: Coachella 2009, By The Numbers (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2009/04/coachella_2009.php)
Antony just fucking owned it. He did all songs from The Crying Light and a B-Side ("Where Is My Power?"), and he tore it the fuck up. Every song had wildly new arrangements with beats accompanied by the string section and his voice. The highlight was either the crazy, Underworld-sounding new mix of Everglade, or the house mix he did of Another World with him looping his own vocals and just going at it for like 3 extra minutes.
People were genuinely freaking the fuck out (myself included), and LOVED what he did with the arrangements. It was definitely a one-off thing, but that bootleg can't come quick enough!
Epilepsy is Dancing from Coachella with the synths and strings combo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtODuMz4aFI
Here's a shitty clip of the live remix he did of Another World with the looped vocals and the beats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ3IPa-bMEI
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No mention that the Antony/Johnsons set was with Matthew Herbert?
For shame, ixkpd-bk.
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This is Why We Don't Go to Coachella (http://www.hollywoodfail.com/2009/04/this-is-why-we-dont-go-to-coachella.html)
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This is Why We Don't Go to Coachella (http://www.hollywoodfail.com/2009/04/this-is-why-we-dont-go-to-coachella.html)
they're just like us; we made famous people the douches that some of them are. i see no problem.
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This is Why We Don't Go to Coachella (http://www.hollywoodfail.com/2009/04/this-is-why-we-dont-go-to-coachella.html)
Or for this reason
http://www.vimeo.com/4273363
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This is Why We Don't Go to Coachella (http://www.hollywoodfail.com/2009/04/this-is-why-we-dont-go-to-coachella.html)
Or for this reason
http://www.vimeo.com/4273363
Isn't that the tiniest penis you've ever seen!
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This is Why We Don't Go to Coachella (http://www.hollywoodfail.com/2009/04/this-is-why-we-dont-go-to-coachella.html)
Or for this reason
http://www.vimeo.com/4273363
Isn't that the tiniest penis you've ever seen!
taking mass doses of drugs will do that to ya. check out how the guy was acting while the cops were attempting him to put his robe back on. he was rolling hard!! or rolling "way soft."
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This is Why We Don't Go to Coachella (http://www.hollywoodfail.com/2009/04/this-is-why-we-dont-go-to-coachella.html)
Or for this reason
http://www.vimeo.com/4273363
Isn't that the tiniest penis you've ever seen!
Poor guy looked like a light switch.
Seriously, if he ended up getting married and they had decided to hold out until marriage, that would be grounds for divorce.
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"growers vs. showers"
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That's some serious growing then.
Like, some major fucking erectile evolution had better be happening.
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this should be the foundation of our anti-drug education campaigns. how many guys would touch the stuff if they thought it did that to their junk?!?
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Or it could just be that some guys never grow up.
The average baby boy is sprouting more than that thing. There may be a bit of drug shrinkage but I would bet that Mr. Overcompensating is just a freak of nature.
Some guys buy cars. This guy proudly shows off what he doesn't have.
Quite frankly, I was much more disturbed by the tassering. Especially by that one over-zealous freak. Nature Boy is no harm to society but excessive force is. (Note the key word 'excessive'.)
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Or it could just be that some guys never grow up.
The average baby boy is sprouting more than that thing. There may be a bit of drug shrinkage but I would bet that Mr. Overcompensating is just a freak of nature.
Some guys buy cars. This guy proudly shows off what he doesn't have.
Quite frankly, I was much more disturbed by the tassering. Especially by that one over-zealous freak. Nature Boy is no harm to society but excessive force is. (Note the key word 'excessive'.)
I knew this video would provoke "excessive force" arguments. But really...the cops did NOTHING wrong. They asked a guy to put clothes on. A pretty damn simple request. And he wouldn't do it. Not only that, he kept arguing with the cops. Since he was clearly on something illegal, the fact that they just asked him to put clothes on was more than generous in my opinion. He decided to protest, and ignore them, so the cops tazed him. If they had just seen this dumbass, and instantly taken him out, THAT's excessive force. But they gave him the chance to put clothes on, and he refused. He deserved it. The cops did nothing wrong. I would have handled it the same way.
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Komrad, you would have done well in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. That is total bullshit! I'm not so much disturbed that they were arresting him (even though that itself has its arguements) but there was absolutely no call for tassering the poor guy. If 3 cops can't handle one naked dude, than maybe they need some serious unarmed combatant training along with a few more work outs at the gym. Even if things escalated to tassering level, that nut job with the gun went overboard and kept charging up the guy. Could have killed him....and yes, that has happened several times in the past. This was totally uncalled for especially given that this guy was NOT OF ANY DANGER TO HIMSELF OR OTHERS!
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They gave him a simple request, while ignoring his obvious drug use, and he wouldn't comply? That seems like grounds to do something right there.
While the one officer may have gone overboard with the tassering(I only watched the video once, a few days after Coachella ended, so I don't entirely remember) their action was warranted. No, he wasn't harming himself or others, but it's still indecent exposure, and he didn't really help himself out by resisting a very simple request. They gave him plenty of time/chances. It's simple really: don't be that dumbass who essentially mocks the police officers, and you won't be dealt with like he was.
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We are not in disagreement as to whether or not some sort of action was appropriate regarding aprehending him. The dividing line is whether or not the tasser should have been used.
You know, you walk a very delicate line when you are so cavelier about allowing law enforcement full reign to use and abuse their powers for every and any kind of infringements. Again, shades of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.
There are plenty of other professions, or even everyday dealings between us common folk, where rules are broken, we are being disrespected or we are being attacked and if we did anything such as this, we'd lose our jobs or maybe even be arrested ourselves. I know this all full well being an ex-teacher. (No, I did not lose my job because of anything like this but I did quit, in part, due to absolutely no protections from actual violent assaults with absolutely no reprecussions to the offenders.) My point is that there are other ways to handle an unruly fool who is of no real harm whatsoever to others without being quick on the draw. A little Ninja power should have had that guy locked down and rendered ineffective. Now, I know they did try at first BUT you could easily see that these guys were so out of shape and didn't have enough of whatever they needed to hold this guy. It really looked like they needed some martial arts training along with looking too damned lazy to even want to bother with this guy. Maybe the other 2 didn't regard him as much of a problem so didn't put as much into their stuggle but Offr. Tricker Happy seemed delighted to try out his new toy.
It's just a very, very scary precedence to set when allowing law enforcement to pull this crap on someone who is of no harm to anyone whatsoever. Now, if he had been physically assaulting another, my only concern would have been the excessive tassering. It's just another step on our freedoms from Big Brother's police state mentality.
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Fair enough. I'm not at all advocating the police being able to use however much force as they want, but from what I saw, tazing that guy seemed reasonable. Also, consider the fact that that video is just a few minutes long. There could have, and probably was, more going on before the video was filmed.
Yes, there probably were safer ways to get this guy to go away, but maybe the cops tried them, and the video doesn't show this?
All I'm saying is, that guy was an idiot, and he deserved to be taken down. I'm not at all saying that we should follow Nazi Germany's lead, and allow the police "full-reign." That's a shitty idea. I just have a problem with people who do illegal things, then bitch about the police being "oppressive", or whatever. Being in a college environment doesn't help, as I've heard countless stories from douchebag-types about cops being "unfair" or "ridiculous" in ruining underage drinking. It's simple...don't break laws, and the cops won't have a reason to use ANY amount of force. If you're being nice and law-abiding, and a cop does something, you have a reason to say those things. But if you're breaking a law in the first place, don't whine about the police when you're caught.
That's a bit off-topic, but I think it kinda applies here.
Also consider that, in a festival environment, what will happen if people see the cops just ignore and walk away from a drugged-up naked wizard? That seems to me to be a flashing "anything goes" light. Which seems like an awful thing, especially considering how much I imagine ALREADY does go on at a place like Coachella.
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The taser usage was warranted. Notice how after they got him down, he broke free and then tried to make a run for it. If a suspect tries to make a run for it, I'd say that taser is fair game. Was he going to harm someone? Probably not. But he was breaking the law and not cooperating with police officers who treated him fairly (at one point they offered to dress him). He didn't cooperate, broke free, and made a run for it. Bam. It's not like they used it "just because they could", they used it for a reason.
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As much as we seem to disagree here, for the most part, I think we both pretty much walk the same line. It's just that you have one foot on the side of dogma where I have one foot on the side of being very fearful of that very dogma.
Believe me, I fully get what you are saying about the psychology of what others think. Any good manager or teacher should also be fully aware of that. With that said, too much of a show of force and/or power can backfire or even be dangerous. It's not as clear cut a formula as any higher boss or other group expects.
Regarding only seeing what was in the video, that too I fully understand but somehow I have a pretty good feeling that anything outside the video frame wasn't anything of concern here. Or, at least, nothing extra. No juicy Director's Cut to follow. For one, 2 of the officers seemed kind of relaxed and laid back about the whole thing. It was just that one crazy ass nut job. Once he pulled the trigger, then a sort of us and them team mentality kind of went into overdrive. The crazy one raised the bar for the other 2 which really wasn't fair at all to them. In my opinion, I am much, much more afraid of him than the man from Eden.
As far as laws being laws, I've always been one to question authority. In no way am I an anarchist but I do believe that sometimes certain laws and such aren't set quite right. Yes, I know there are ways of dealing with that but that's a whole other issue of bureaucracy.
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considering how much I imagine ALREADY does go on at a place like Coachella.
this year, i got asked roughly 7 times if i had anything to sell.
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The taser usage was warranted. Notice how after they got him down, he broke free and then tried to make a run for it. If a suspect tries to make a run for it, I'd say that taser is fair game. Was he going to harm someone? Probably not. But he was breaking the law and not cooperating with police officers who treated him fairly (at one point they offered to dress him). He didn't cooperate, broke free, and made a run for it. Bam. It's not like they used it "just because they could", they used it for a reason.
You scare me! Bet you would say the same thing if a bullet was lodged into this guy's bare ass.
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No, that'd be excessive force for this scenario.
A taser is not excessive force for this scenario.
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A taser is not excessive force for this scenario.
Tasers have already killed on several occassions. They aren't as safe as the manufacturer would have one believe. That's quite evident with several somewhat recent tassering deaths. This is a serious issue outside of this incident that needs to be addressed regarding law enforcement. Add to that; and the scariest part of this whole thing; was that the taser wasn't just used but used over and over again. The shot to the heart was the worst part of the whole thing. All to a naked fool who broke a few laws though while not harming even a fly. Okay, so the whole world can see that there's nothing left to his manhood but that's not a crime.
Believe me, I am not at all anti-police force but I am very concerned about levels of police force.
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But what about his PENIS!?!?
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His myspace was posted to another board but has since then been made private. :(
But you can still see that his last name is Felch! (http://www.myspace.com/jfelch)
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I stand by this guy deserving everything he got. He was clearly trying to be "that guy" who makes a stand against the police, ideally leading to a video just like this one, but he's just a dumbass.
Laws exist, and whether you support them or not, they need to be obeyed, or else you'll have to deal with potential police action. It's really simple. Not believing in a law does not negate it, nor does it give you a free pass. Straight up breaking it does nothing except get you in trouble. So when a dumbshit like that wizard comes along, I have no argument whatsoever that he deserved to be taken down. Especially when he's given that many chances to willfully comply. Good riddance.
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"Dumbass", agreed. For the most part, the rest, we must agree to disagree.
Guess you believe that a death charge was deserved for a simple "Don't tase me, bro." plea.
By your standards, it would appear that you also would believe "Good riddance" for the 6 million Jews (among millions of others from other sub groups never recognized) who technically broke the laws of the land in Nazi Germany. Laws regarding things like being Jewish, homosexual, an abstract artist, daring to (or simply suspected of) speak out against the government, etc..
It was only a few decades ago in America that my friends and I would, by your standards, "deserve to be taken down" as a mixed group of Blacks and Whites for having the audacity to enter together a diner, club, swimming pool, or hotel. I don't think so, bro! Hey, after all, it was against the law. Guess the tased kill shot would have been warrented.
These kind of cavelier attitudes and actions are why 'some' police officers are looked down on by many otherwise very respectful and law abiding citizens.
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Why do you keep referencing the Holocaust? A druggie got naked at a festival, and refused to put clothes on. That's far different from laws about Jews in Nazi Germany. Of course those laws are unjust, and shouldn't have to be obeyed, but a law against public nudity? That's a pretty damn simple one to follow. I'm not saying laws should never be protested, but if you're gonna protest one that's very reasonable and easy to follow, don't expect sympathy when the police take you down.
As far as I see it, telling people they're not allowed to get naked in public is not a civil rights violation. So it's an entirely different situation from these obviously racist cases you seem to love bringing up.
And no, I'm not advocating a death charge for this guy. Where the hell did you get this idea? He deserved to be arrested, and he wasn't complying...so something had to be done.
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just imagine if they tazed his penis.
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just imagine if they tazed his penis.
That'd be very difficult to do, seeing as how they'd have to navigate around the fat rolls, and hit a very small target on a very large moving man.
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Tassering a non-violent offender went a step too far. Period.
I repeat:
Tasers have already killed on several occassions. They aren't as safe as the manufacturer would have one believe. That's quite evident with several somewhat recent tassering deaths. This is a serious issue outside of this incident that needs to be addressed regarding law enforcement. Add to that; and the scariest part of this whole thing; was that the taser wasn't just used but used over and over again. The shot to the heart was the worst part of the whole thing. All to a naked fool who broke a few laws though while not harming even a fly. Okay, so the whole world can see that there's nothing left to his manhood but that's not a crime.
Believe me, I am not at all anti-police force but I am very concerned about levels of police force.
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Tassering a non-violent offender went a step too far. Period.
I repeat:
Tasers have already killed on several occassions. They aren't as safe as the manufacturer would have one believe. That's quite evident with several somewhat recent tassering deaths. This is a serious issue outside of this incident that needs to be addressed regarding law enforcement. Add to that; and the scariest part of this whole thing; was that the taser wasn't just used but used over and over again. The shot to the heart was the worst part of the whole thing. All to a naked fool who broke a few laws though while not harming even a fly. Okay, so the whole world can see that there's nothing left to his manhood but that's not a crime.
Believe me, I am not at all anti-police force but I am very concerned about levels of police force.
They tased him while he was escaping. Running away. When a suspect who has already disobeyed kind gestures by the police makes a run for it, tasing is justified. What were they supposed to do? Chase him through a festival of thousands of people? That'd be a total mess. And there were other people around, too, and the officers have to consider their safety as well. Now whether or not he was considered "harmful" or not is a matter of opinion in this scenario. But when a suspect flees from the police, he pretty much becomes a threat, whether we think so or not. That's the way it is (and should be). Bottom line is he tried to make a run for it and he got tasered. Had they done it simply to get him on the ground, it'd be a different story. But he tried making a run for it - that's all it should take right there.
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Does no one seem to notice the guy reach for the cops belt (and therefore, possibly his gun) when they try to detain him? Totally justified.
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Exactly. The dumbass tried to escape. He needed to be taken out, and he wasn't complying the easy way. The cops were totally justified. I don't even see how you can argue that the cops did anything wrong. They gave the guy chances, and he kept on making an ass out of himself. You're the only person I've seen/heard saying the cops used excessive force.
Imagine the scene if that guy ran away, and several cops begin chasing him around a festival. Seems chaotic to me. And that's where he does become harmful to himself and others.
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Wow. Make a run for it through the crowd. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I suspect there were a lot more cops at that festival than just those 3 and I doubt he'd been lost in the crowd since he'd stand out due to his blatant nakedness. Seems they could have radioed to the others if the guy did get away.
About me being the only one thinking it's excessive, other than Julian, there are only 3 of us who have bothered to comment. Gesh. Way to stretch a point. I will note that Julian did make a valid point that I did miss. Not sure where that came along with the tasering. Don't know if he went for the gun or just a grab to pull the guy down or maybe try to bring himself back up. Regardless, you guys also missed it. You both scare me since it's obvious that even without that potential, you still think it's okay to jump the gun all too soon.
All in all, it looked like lazy policing to me when 3 grown men can't hold down one out of shape naked guy.
I would bet a dozen donuts that ThatGuy could teach these guys a thing or two about how to deal with such a dangerous criminal without resorting to the use of weapons. Add to that, he and his staph would get the job done in a flash with barely a notice by others.
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I should have clarified when I said you were the only one arguing that they went too far. I've discussed this with numerous friends, and seen several other online discussions, and everyone seems to agree that the cops were plenty reasonable.
I don't think it's ok to jump the gun too soon, but I also don't think that that situation saw them jump the gun too soon.
I can agree that it was probably lazy policing, but the point is they tried to take him down, and he got up and tried to get away. They didn't instantly whip out the tazers and zap him.
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and here i thought the cure went long after the show. ;D