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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: thirsty moore on September 04, 2009, 11:34:04 am

Title: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 04, 2009, 11:34:04 am
Many of you have discussed ripping your cd collection and selling the discs in order to save space. I'm considering this as well. However, since my iPod is my stereo, I'm considering ripping the cd's to aiff. Anyone have any positive or negative experiences with this?

Secondly, are there any torrent sites that work only with aiff?
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: chaz on September 04, 2009, 11:59:15 am
The obvious drawback to aiff is that the files are big - every minute of music is about 10mb of data.  So you wont fit much music on your ipod.

Maybe apple lossless would be better.  I'm not aware of torrent sites specific to these codecs, and rarely do I see these file types out in the torrent world.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 04, 2009, 12:15:17 pm
Thanks chaz. I saw Apple lossless but was concerned as there were already two lossless files (aiff and wav). Apple lossless looks like it somehow compresses? The details I've found are fuzzy.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: chaz on September 04, 2009, 12:28:19 pm
Both apple lossless and flac compress files but are not lossy.  Flac is more popular and you'll find tons of flac torrents but it's not supported by itunes.

I've got lots of apple lossless and flac files...flac is the "preferred" lossless codec.  I've never done a direct comparison of the two but apple lossless sounds fine to me.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 04, 2009, 12:30:30 pm
Since you are the resident audio expert, I trust your opinion.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 05, 2009, 03:52:52 am
Flac torrents are definitely very readily available but I haven't come across much AIFF either. Apple Lossless torrents are prevalent but nowhere near as much as flac.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 08, 2009, 11:38:33 am
Any quality links azaghal?
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on September 08, 2009, 11:46:35 am
I still use shn files and will forever. Checksums now, checksums tomorrow, checksums forever!! /curmudgeon
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 08, 2009, 01:06:52 pm
Sure. Check your PM's.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 08, 2009, 01:24:57 pm
My PM cupboard is bare :(
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on September 08, 2009, 01:27:00 pm
Sure. Check your PM's.

I would reply to your PM, but your box is full. :( :(
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 08, 2009, 01:28:52 pm
Check your email. The one I used before.
My PM cupboard is bare :(
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: sweetcell on September 08, 2009, 01:30:24 pm
azag, what's with all the double-posts today?

azag, what's with all the double-posts today?
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 08, 2009, 01:33:53 pm
azag, what's with all the double-posts today?

azag, what's with all the double-posts today?

Fixed.

Edit: Inbox space freed up.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 08, 2009, 01:35:47 pm
No dice on the email.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 08, 2009, 01:40:17 pm
Weird.

I'll try again.


OK check now.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 08, 2009, 01:43:41 pm
Got it. Thanks!
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 09, 2009, 10:28:15 am
Top for lossless appreciation. Converted some albums over to apple lossless last night. Far better sound coming out of the iPod and sounddock now.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 09, 2009, 11:19:57 am
There are tools that enable you to go flac->apple lossless with the click of a mouse, too. So you could just download flacs (legally, of course), throw them in a prog like DB Poweramp, select "convert to apple lossless" and voila.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 09, 2009, 11:28:54 am
I dl'd some program last night but I forgot what it was called. I'm still surprised at the change in sound quality.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: nkotb on September 09, 2009, 11:30:43 am
Did you convert the already ripped MP3s up to loseless?  How did that work?

Top for lossless appreciation. Converted some albums over to apple lossless last night. Far better sound coming out of the iPod and sounddock now.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 09, 2009, 11:33:10 am
Unfortunately you can't convert mp3 to lossless. I ripped some cds of mine in apple lossless and then loaded them on my iPod.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on September 09, 2009, 11:40:28 am
Unfortunately you can't convert mp3 to lossless.
Oh no, you can. It's the quickest way to get booted off any torrent network.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 09, 2009, 11:41:42 am
No. Once that data has been stripped away with a conversion to mp3, it's impossible to bring it back.

Did you convert the already ripped MP3s up to loseless?  How did that work?

Top for lossless appreciation. Converted some albums over to apple lossless last night. Far better sound coming out of the iPod and sounddock now.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: nkotb on September 09, 2009, 11:43:32 am
Yeah, I didn't think so.

No. Once that data has been stripped away with a conversion to mp3, it's impossible to bring it back.

Did you convert the already ripped MP3s up to loseless?  How did that work?

Top for lossless appreciation. Converted some albums over to apple lossless last night. Far better sound coming out of the iPod and sounddock now.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on September 09, 2009, 11:47:29 am
Technically you can. There are programs (and why they'll exist I'll never know) that will take the mp3 back to wav and then automatically make a flac of it. It, of course, retains the quality loss of the original mp3 file.

This transcoding is more commonly seen on networks (like the old oink) that have bitrate requirements and someone trying to re-encode 128kbps mp3s up to 192 or whatever. The double mp3'ing of the music actually, in that case, has a multiplier effect on the quality loss.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: nkotb on September 09, 2009, 11:50:23 am
Right, I knew that it was technically possible.  I just came into this topic late and only read his comment about "converting" and thought it was some newfangled technology that you kids were into.

Technically you can. There are programs (and why they'll exist I'll never know) that will take the mp3 back to wav and then automatically make a flac of it. It, of course, retains the quality loss of the original mp3 file.

This transcoding is more commonly seen on networks (like the old oink) that have bitrate requirements and someone trying to re-encode 128kbps mp3s up to 192 or whatever. The double mp3'ing of the music actually, in that case, has a multiplier effect on the quality loss.
Title: Re: iPod and aiff
Post by: thirsty moore on September 17, 2009, 03:24:05 pm
Top. This stuff only gets better with age. Halfway through my music collection. Tonight I might tackle Sonic Youth.