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Title: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: walkonby on April 25, 2006, 12:51:00 pm
what is he doing?  sure, coming out with a tour called "dark side of the moon", where he'll do a first set of early floyd and solo work (i actually enjoyed "amused to death") and then a second set of the entire "dark side of the moon" album sounds interesting . . . but will it be worth all the trouble to go to one of the few cities it is playing, go through auctions and whatever else for tickets to just see it?  
 
 just get back together with gilmore, you freak, and put on a real show, alla rolling stones style and charge pathetic ticket prices that get scooped up by brokers and sold on ebay, like everone else.  "how can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat?"
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: eros on April 25, 2006, 12:56:00 pm
September 23 at the oft-maligned Nissan Pavilion.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: Venerable Bede on April 25, 2006, 01:12:00 pm
apparently, he got nick mason for this tour and gilmour got richard wright for his tour.  in any event, the last "pink floyd" tour in 94 did the same thing.  the 2nd half of the show was dark side in its entirety.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: walkonby on April 25, 2006, 01:13:00 pm
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Originally posted by eros:
  September 23 at the oft-maligned Nissan Pavilion.
really?  oh, i thought this was one of those select city gigs.  damn . . . now i'm going to have to go see it.  after all that bitching i just did, this show will probably be a once in time chance to see waters live.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: walkonby on April 25, 2006, 01:15:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  apparently, he got nick mason for this tour and gilmour got richard wright for his tour.  in any event, the last "pink floyd" tour in 94 did the same thing.  the 2nd half of the show was dark side in its entirety.
on that tour (division bell), when that ball came out of the floor and created the wall circling the inside of rfk, i creamed my lsd jeans.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: sonickteam2 on April 25, 2006, 01:16:00 pm
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Originally posted by walkonby:
   
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Originally posted by eros:
  September 23 at the oft-maligned Nissan Pavilion.
really?  oh, i thought this was one of those select city gigs.  damn . . . now i'm going to have to go see it.  after all that bitching i just did, this show will probably be a once in time chance to see waters live. [/b]
the band sucks, the venue sucks, the music industry sucks...but i'll go anyway!
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: distance on April 25, 2006, 02:34:00 pm
the ticket prices are looking to be >2* the price of the last tours 99/00.
 at those prices, i won't be going.  i don't think there's any way the show could be THAT much different/better.
 
 dark side of the moon in its entirety? not really THAT interesting.  meddle? that'd be a lot more interesting.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: on April 25, 2006, 02:37:00 pm
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 The Köpetdag is no ordinary mountain, this is the spring of a fortune,
 
 The Köýten, Hasar and Balkan mountains and the whole Türkmen world,
 
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 There are the messages of Görogly on her mountains, they said.
 
 
 One of my sides is Garagum, which is a caravan migrating,
 
 Kills those who come as enemies and gives the Türkmen freedom,
 
 When angered, rises in fury like a tornado and flood,
 
 Like a witness who saw the creation of the world,
 
 The desert with Hydyr, which Magtymguly certifies so, they said.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on April 25, 2006, 02:49:00 pm
can someone explain how pink floyd is one of the most popular bands in the world ... they play intellectual prog-rock with 20 minute song suites and hours of guitar wanking ... how did they become (and stay) so mainstream-huge like the rock and roll bands who play 3-4 minute pop songs?
 
 and this is coming from someone who has all their albums and likes some of their stuff, i'm just curious as to how floyd is such a popular phenomenon ... i would guess that, for many casual fans of floyd (obviously not all), it's the only prog-rock they listen to, right?
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: ggw on April 25, 2006, 02:59:00 pm
Did anyone else see the Radio KAOS tour...oh...like....almost twenty years ago now?
 That was a great show.  
 
 So were the Pink Floyd shows from those same years.  I saw them at JFK, RFK, and the Meadowlands.  Easily the best stadium shows I have seen.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: sonickteam2 on April 25, 2006, 03:09:00 pm
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
  can someone explain how pink floyd is one of the most popular bands in the world
perhaps there is a scientific equation!  the Pythagorean Theorem of rock bands!
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: muke on April 25, 2006, 04:18:00 pm
was the KAOS show at the old cap centre?  started out with paul carrack playing tempted solo on piano?
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: Kubacheck on April 25, 2006, 06:24:00 pm
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
  can someone explain how pink floyd is one of the most popular bands in the world
maybe cause they have a lot of great songs????...there are a lot of bands that I wonder why they're so popular (Dave Matthews???), but Pink Floyd is not one of them.....
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: secretsquirrel on April 25, 2006, 09:36:00 pm
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
  can someone explain how pink floyd is one of the most popular bands in the world ...  
I would say because of Dark Side. Its songs aren't very long for the most part, and it's hypnotizing without simply being something like Echoes. Then people bought The Wall because of Another Brick in the Wall Pt 2.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: helicon1 on April 25, 2006, 10:34:00 pm
I traveled to Chicago two weeks ago to see Gilmour. Best show I've ever been to. The first half was his new album (On an Island is highly recommended by me) and the second were the classics. But not a typical "Best of" setlist. He played tunes off of Obscured by Clouds, Atom Heart Mother and Meddle.He, of course, played the fan favorites as well.
 
 Roger's solo shows are typically not as classy, musicianship not as good and generally not as enjoyable. I'll still go of course   ;)
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on April 25, 2006, 11:46:00 pm
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Originally posted by Kubacheck:
  maybe cause they have a lot of great songs????...there are a lot of bands that I wonder why they're so popular (Dave Matthews???), but Pink Floyd is not one of them.....
sure, they have at least 10 absolute classic tracks, but their albums are incredibly dense works ... maybe i'm just crazy, i just don't see why casual music fans flock to them ... i mean, discs like "animals" and "meddle" (and even "the wall") are just insane, how does someone who usually just listens to tom petty and ac/dc process that?  even "dark side" is pretty out there for such a seminal (and popular) album ... maybe it's just every casual casual classic rock fan's prog indulgence or something, i dunno
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: Jaguar on April 26, 2006, 12:07:00 am
Hoya, everyone smoked a lot of pot and hashish back then. A whole lot!    :D
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: chancegardener on April 26, 2006, 12:44:00 am
Waters was actually pretty damn great on that last tour in 99/00.  "Dogs" in its entirety; "Shine On", "Welcome to the Machine","Set the Controls" ... Face it, we're never going to see Floyd again, so make do with what's coming around.  Waters on a Saturday night in September, even if it's at Nissan, will be a concert worth seeing.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: Big KC on April 26, 2006, 08:32:00 am
Waters was good live, but it seemed like he needed about eight guitarists to cover Gilmour's parts.
 
 As sell-out as it would be, I can't think of anything better than a full on reunion. The '94 Division Bell show at RFK was one of my all-time best.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: renton007 on April 26, 2006, 08:40:00 am
I'm not a casual fan of Pink Floyd, quite the opposite. However, Floyd is the only prog-rock I listen to.
 
 
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
  i would guess that, for many casual fans of floyd (obviously not all), it's the only prog-rock they listen to, right?
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: set1914 on April 26, 2006, 08:47:00 am
Seen Pink Floyd 4 times and Roger Waters 2 times. Out of all of them, the best show was Roger Waters performing The Wall in Berlin in 90.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: sonickteam2 on April 26, 2006, 09:04:00 am
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
  can someone explain how pink floyd is one of the most popular bands in the world
if you can explain why the Beach Boys are.  :)
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: edbert on April 26, 2006, 09:23:00 am
So how is the new Gilmour solo album?
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: helicon1 on April 26, 2006, 11:25:00 am
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Originally posted by edbert:
  So how is the new Gilmour solo album?
It's great. Polarized (Roger vs. Dave) Pink Floyd fans will absolutely hate it. But it stands on it's own as a solid album from start to finish.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on April 26, 2006, 01:02:00 pm
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Originally posted by Mike Rohsopht:
  if you can explain why the Beach Boys are.   :)  
come on now, they distill pop music to its basics ... pitch perfect harmonies and hooky melodies that stick in your head for weeks ... sure they have plenty of crap, but their great stuff is incredible ... not too hard to see why casual music fans would eat them up
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: sonickteam2 on April 26, 2006, 01:37:00 pm
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
   
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Originally posted by Mike Rohsopht:
  if you can explain why the Beach Boys are.    :)  
come on now, they distill pop music to its basics ... pitch perfect harmonies and hooky melodies that stick in your head for weeks ... sure they have plenty of crap, but their great stuff is incredible ... not too hard to see why casual music fans would eat them up [/b]
fair enough.
 
  and Pink Floyd took the music that Beach Boys fans and the like thought was "too hard to understand" "boring"  "slow" "sad" whatever, and made it something that all human ears can listen to.
 
   its the same for the Beastie Boys....they made white people all over the world say "hey!!! we can listen to rap music too!"
 
   (yes, i just compared the Beastie Boys to Pink Floyd)
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on April 26, 2006, 02:07:00 pm
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Originally posted by Mike Rohsopht:
 and Pink Floyd took the music that Beach Boys fans and the like thought was "too hard to understand" "boring"  "slow" "sad" whatever, and made it something that all human ears can listen to.
so your point is that pink floyd is the only (or one of the only) prog band to make their music accessible to the masses?
 
 i'm beating a dead horse now, but i feel like you're missing my point ... which is only that i find it a bit odd that nearly every casual classic rock fan LOVES pink floyd, even though their sound is so different from traditional rock
 
 don't get me wrong, i think it's cool that so many people listen to floyd, i've just always wondered how/why so many millions of people get into floyd when the rest of the stuff they listen to is traditional, riff-heavy, 4 min, verse/chorus/verse stuff
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: sonickteam2 on April 26, 2006, 02:12:00 pm
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
   
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Originally posted by Mike Rohsopht:
 and Pink Floyd took the music that Beach Boys fans and the like thought was "too hard to understand" "boring"  "slow" "sad" whatever, and made it something that all human ears can listen to.
so your point is that pink floyd is the only (or one of the only) prog band to make their music accessible to the masses?
 
 i'm beating a dead horse now, but i feel like you're missing my point ... which is only that i find it a bit odd that nearly every casual classic rock fan LOVES pink floyd, even though their sound is so different from traditional rock
 
 don't get me wrong, i think it's cool that so many people listen to floyd, i've just always wondered how/why so many millions of people get into floyd when the rest of the stuff they listen to is traditional, riff-heavy, 4 min, verse/chorus/verse stuff [/b]
1.  my point is that Pink Floyd has made this sort of music MOST accessible and probably earlier than most others.
 
   you know nearly every classic rock fan?  
 
   i am not sure you really have a point....which was my whole point with the beach boys comment in the first place.
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: Sage 703 on April 26, 2006, 03:41:00 pm
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Mike Rohsopht:
 and Pink Floyd took the music that Beach Boys fans and the like thought was "too hard to understand" "boring"  "slow" "sad" whatever, and made it something that all human ears can listen to.
so your point is that pink floyd is the only (or one of the only) prog band to make their music accessible to the masses?
 
 i'm beating a dead horse now, but i feel like you're missing my point ... which is only that i find it a bit odd that nearly every casual classic rock fan LOVES pink floyd, even though their sound is so different from traditional rock
 
 don't get me wrong, i think it's cool that so many people listen to floyd, i've just always wondered how/why so many millions of people get into floyd when the rest of the stuff they listen to is traditional, riff-heavy, 4 min, verse/chorus/verse stuff [/b]
I don't think this is a fair statement.  When Pink Floyd got really big, the market was much more open to more exploratory music.  Look at the success of bands like Rush, Yes or Styx.  Rush is one of the best selling bands in the history of music.  What about the other more psychedelic, proggy stuff from the 70s?  Zappa, Bowie - there is some really dense stuff on a lot of Bowie's albums. To distill the 70s or classic rock down to AC/DC isn't really a fair evaluation of the situation.
 
 I think the market was just different at the time when Floyd came out, and the fact that they had singles that were more accessible than the aforementioned bands - see "Money," "Wish You Were Here," "Another Brick in the Wall Pt 2," and so forth - they caught on more readily.
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on April 26, 2006, 03:54:00 pm
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Originally posted by callat703:
  I don't think this is a fair statement.  When Pink Floyd got really big, the market was much more open to more exploratory music.  
fair enough, good points ...
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Post by: MindCage on April 26, 2006, 04:15:00 pm
My favorite quote is from "Amused to Death"
 
 "Preacher or Poet who was it wrote, give any one species too much rope and they will fuck it up"
 
 Things you learn in college...take "Amused to Death" and sync it to "Beyond the Mind's Eye" and it rolls right along with it perfectly.
 
 The new Gilmour album sounds like classic Floyd to me.
 
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Post by: Seth Hurwitz on April 27, 2006, 06:38:00 am
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Originally posted by Mike Rohsopht:
   
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Originally posted by walkonby:
   
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Originally posted by eros:
  September 23 at the oft-maligned Nissan Pavilion.
really?  oh, i thought this was one of those select city gigs.  damn . . . now i'm going to have to go see it.  after all that bitching i just did, this show will probably be a once in time chance to see waters live. [/b]
the band sucks, the venue sucks, the music industry sucks...but i'll go anyway! [/b]
I rest my case
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on April 27, 2006, 07:00:00 am
Would it shock you to hear that I like classic rock (more than indie rock) but hate Pink Floyd?
 
 
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Originally posted by Hoya Saxa 03, 08:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Mike Rohsopht:
 and Pink Floyd took the music that Beach Boys fans and the like thought was "too hard to understand" "boring"  "slow" "sad" whatever, and made it something that all human ears can listen to.
so your point is that pink floyd is the only (or one of the only) prog band to make their music accessible to the masses?
 
 i'm beating a dead horse now, but i feel like you're missing my point ... which is only that i find it a bit odd that nearly every casual classic rock fan LOVES pink floyd, even though their sound is so different from traditional rock
 
 don't get me wrong, i think it's cool that so many people listen to floyd, i've just always wondered how/why so many millions of people get into floyd when the rest of the stuff they listen to is traditional, riff-heavy, 4 min, verse/chorus/verse stuff [/b]
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on April 27, 2006, 01:04:00 pm
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakajima, Fired by Mascis:
  Would it shock you to hear that I like classic rock (more than indie rock) but hate Pink Floyd?
no, it would affirm my bewilderment
Title: Re: roger waters : amused to needing a gig?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on April 27, 2006, 01:09:00 pm
My wife summed up Pink Floyd quite well this morning by reflecting on Pink Floyd lyrics.
 
 "Oh, my life is so hard. Life is so mysterious."
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Post by: helicon1 on April 27, 2006, 02:08:00 pm
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakajima, Fired by Mascis:
  My wife summed up Pink Floyd quite well this morning by reflecting on Pink Floyd lyrics.
 
 "Oh, my life is so hard. Life is so mysterious."
Now that's a limiting statement.
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Post by: grateful on May 31, 2023, 09:30:34 am
Roger Waters modifies Germany show in response to Nazi lawsuit

Roger Waters - Frankfurt: https://youtu.be/Rv2gyFhmVqI