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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on April 27, 2011, 11:30:52 am
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Why in the hell would you even bother releasing your "long-form" birth certificate NOW and on top of that, having a FUCKING PRESS CONFERENCE on it? Christ. Finally bowing to the birthers...now? Wow, talk about legitimizing Donald Trump.
Obama's quest to become the most centrist president in history exposes his political ignorance. And I voted for him.
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Well for one, now the media can stop pretending (in the name of objectivity) there are questions about his origins and can just say "Donald Trump was being his usual asinine self again by disputing President Obama's birthplace."
It's not Obama's fault that this was starting to get picked up again in the media. He takes a few minutes to slap this shit down and move on, rather than let it just go and go and go and go and go. And now Trump's one political gimmick has disappeared.
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yeah releasing the birth certificate at this point does not sit right with me, but there are more important things to care about (which i suppose is the point)
like how he celebrated easter
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Obama is a Keynesian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrHkxqNT7s)
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Please modify title of this thread
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What the fuck is wrong with TMUL?
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Meanwhile, John McCain was born in Panama.
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Funny how Trump forced Obama to do what nobody else could...produce a long form birth cert.
Now, is it legit???????
When was his mothers birthday? She gave birth at age 18 right? So she very well could've been nailed while still a minor, which would make his father a peadophile rapist......no? ;)
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Obama is a Keynesian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrHkxqNT7s)
I wish this was closer to the truth.
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I stole this:
"Obama let it hang out there long enough to get over half of the GOP believing he wasn't a citizen and then he kicked out the stool and hanged Trump with it. I think it was kind of brilliant. I had a feeling something might be coming as it had grown into such a larger story lately."
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Blah blah yblah blah mcblah people read this forum at work blah blah blah blah oblahma dn't be a menace to so ciety
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what's next? Hawaii isn't a state?
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Panama is definitely not a state
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what is great about this non-controversy is that it paints, in black and white, who are the serious politicians vs. the crazies. it was heartening to see a number of GOPs distance themselves from the idiots.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html @ 2:50 - the computer-generated certificate of live birth is the ONLY acceptable document obama could have produced to support his candidacy. the long-form birth certificate isn't valid outside of hawaii. the birthers were clamoring to prove his ineligibility with a document that cannot be used to prove his eligibility! it's irrelevant.
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Funny how Trump forced Obama to do what nobody else could...produce a long form birth cert.
Now, is it legit???????
When was his mothers birthday? She gave birth at age 18 right? So she very well could've been nailed while still a minor, which would make his father a peadophile rapist......no? ;)
GALLAGHER you're worse than hannity on a bad day...
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Funny how Trump forced Obama to do what nobody else could...produce a long form birth cert.
Now, is it legit???????
When was his mothers birthday? She gave birth at age 18 right? So she very well could've been nailed while still a minor, which would make his father a peadophile rapist......no? ;)
GALLAGHER you're worse than hannity on a bad day...
slight difference.....mine is sarcasm, not serious.
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There's also a small rumour going around that Obama inherited his penis dimensions from the British side of the family.
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Funny how Trump forced Obama to do what nobody else could...produce a long form birth cert.
Now, is it legit???????
When was his mothers birthday? She gave birth at age 18 right? So she very well could've been nailed while still a minor, which would make his father a peadophile rapist......no? ;)
GALLAGHER you're worse than hannity on a bad day...
slight difference.....mine is sarcasm, not serious.
GALLAGHER you're a dumb ass...
just sarcasm mind you...
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We'll see if the networks cut away tomorrow as he announces Petreus and Panetta in their new roles to see who's really at fault here.
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what's next? Hawaii isn't a state?
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Funny how Trump forced Obama to do what nobody else could...produce a long form birth cert.
Now, is it legit???????
When was his mothers birthday? She gave birth at age 18 right? So she very well could've been nailed while still a minor, which would make his father a peadophile rapist......no? ;)
GALLAGHER you're worse than hannity on a bad day...
slight difference.....mine is sarcasm, not serious.
GALLAGHER you're a dumb ass...
just sarcasm mind you...
hmmmm.... resorting to name calling already? How 'progressive' of you.
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Being a staunch conservative and a huge critic of pres. obizzle, I still truly don't understand the birther movement. While I in no way shape or form think it's absolutely an insane stretch of the imagination that he was not born here, I don't understand why those like trump go OUT OF THERE WAY to make their view on the issue known. It's one thing for a lib drone to provoke a politician into declaring their personal point of view (such that like mr. matthews does with every guest on hardball, even though the topics being debated have no relation to birther beliefs), but it's another thing to harp on it so intensely that it becomes what you are known for.
The whole debate seems pointless today. His leadership and overall job speaks for itself and can give any opponent days of substance to support most claims against him. Plus we're what? A year and a half away from the election and they want to argue about technicalities of his presidency? SURPRISE! He's been passing his agenda for over 2 years now! Get over it and move the hell on. It just shows how horrible some in the republican party focus is today.
As for Obama, it doesn't sit well with me either (not much does). I believed him much more in the past year that he simply dismissed the claims completely. Now he puts on this spectacle after almost 2 years of speculation? Little suspect.
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I bet you don't get
laid fooked much in this town.
Being a staunch conservative and a huge critic of pres. obizzle, I still truly don't understand the birther movement. While I in no way shape or form think it's absolutely an insane stretch of the imagination that he was not born here, I don't understand why those like trump go OUT OF THERE WAY to make their view on the issue known. It's one thing for a lib drone to provoke a politician into declaring their personal point of view (such that like mr. matthews does with every guest on hardball, even though the topics being debated have no relation to birther beliefs), but it's another thing to harp on it so intensely that it becomes what you are known for.
The whole debate seems pointless today. His leadership and overall job speaks for itself and can give any opponent days of substance to support most claims against him. Plus we're what? A year and a half away from the election and they want to argue about technicalities of his presidency? SURPRISE! He's been passing his agenda for over 2 years now! Get over it and move the hell on. It just shows how horrible some in the republican party focus is today.
As for Obama, it doesn't sit well with me either (not much does). I believed him much more in the past year that he simply dismissed the claims completely. Now he puts on this spectacle after almost 2 years of speculation? Little suspect.
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There's also a small rumour going around that Obama inherited his penis dimensions from the British side of the family.
"frank gallagher" is british (sarcastically), fyi.
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Now he puts on this spectacle after almost 2 years of speculation? Little suspect.
Can you describe how speaking for approximately 2 minutes and releasing a document to the press is considered a "spectacle"? And what exactly do you find suspicious about this? I look forward to your answers.
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SURPRISE! He's been passing his agenda for over 2 years now!
I really wish this was true.
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I don't much care for Obama, but I think this was a pretty good move. He gets a chance to put this issue to rest while showing that many of the GOP leadership are ranting idiots, but he also does it well before the election cycle gets going, at which time he would be accused of being defensive. This whole press release will be forgotten about in a couple of days and the GOP can go back to ranting about gays and the President can go back to telling you that rich people have caused all your problems.
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There's also a small rumour going around that Obama inherited his penis dimensions from the British side of the family.
"frank gallagher" is british (sarcastically), fyi.
Yes British and Black blokes carry the same penile burden....
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As for Obama, it doesn't sit well with me either (not much does). I believed him much more in the past year that he simply dismissed the claims completely. Now he puts on this spectacle after almost 2 years of speculation? Little suspect.
So idiots of your ilk demand "proof" he was born here for two years, and he finally gives it to them to shut them up, and it's now somehow suspicious that he did so? And just for the record, his citizenship is now slightly more suspect in your mind that he's provided incontrovertible evidence towards said fact? Really? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
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As for Obama, it doesn't sit well with me either (not much does). I believed him much more in the past year that he simply dismissed the claims completely. Now he puts on this spectacle after almost 2 years of speculation? Little suspect.
So idiots of your ilk demand "proof" he was born here for two years, and he finally gives it to them to shut them up, and it's now somehow suspicious that he did so? And just for the record, his citizenship is now slightly more suspect in your mind that he's provided incontrovertible evidence towards said fact? Really? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
good day julian. i'm happy to see you have returned. your name is a dead giveaway. well, your rant is too.
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good day julian. i'm happy to see you have returned. your name is a dead giveaway. well, your rant is too.
What? My name is Rebecca.
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good day julian. i'm happy to see you have returned. your name is a dead giveaway. well, your rant is too.
What? My name is Rebecca.
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aww Walky and Julian back at it again ;D
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and here i liked "confirmed online luminary." i like the new one too, julian.
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Mr Ford- ...can I take you to dinner?
Relaxer- Spectacle was too strong, it's true. But the fact of the matter is that this is not the hottest that this issue has been since he was elected. There were plenty more politicians calling for it over a year ago than today. Suddenly, the great joke donald trump starts professing the birther beliefs and obama now finds it imperative to provide it to the public? Does that make any sense?
Beetsnotbeats- I can understand why you would feel that way. He really did fumble the ball for your team in some areas. But look on the bright side! He has done more for you in the last 2 and a half years then Bush ever did for me!
Nightmare- Because no one has ever before been able to forge official documents.. Especially not anyone as powerful and influential as President Obama..
And i'm not saying he did. For the last time, I don't care. Way more important issues out there.
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Nightmare- Because no one has ever before been able to forge official documents.. Especially not anyone as powerful and influential as President Obama..
And no one as powerful as, say, the Clinton's would've been able to prove in, say, 2008, that this political up-and-comer wasn't a real citizen. The mere fact we don't have a Madam President is de facto proof he's a citizen. You really think the conspiracy it would've involved to fake his citizenship wouldn't have been found out by the living Jesus-es of the Modern Democratic Party?
And you still haven't answered my question about eating paint chips as a kid.
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wonder when the beating of the freefest dead horse will commence again ::)
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wonder when the beating of the freefest dead horse will commence again ::)
All true musicians play for free, to build a sense of community! Freefest is T.I, MIA, Ludacris, and Wu-Tangs way of shouting their love back to the DC hiphop community!
It was also the only concert we in Jump Up Like It's A Nightmare could afford to see all year, being homeless hip hop provocateurs!! RESPECT!
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I could not care less about that whole birth certificate thing. Both sides were playing politics and wasting our time/money while MUCH higher priority issues are left unaddressed. I despise Obama with a passion. His views are so radically left wing that it is beyond me how anyone would have voted for him. ANYONE would be better in that office other than him. It high time the government got the hell out of my life and let me live rather than getting bigger and spending more and more of my money (a big chunk on lazy bastards or those otherwise unwilling to make logical life decisions). Sadly, he stands a godo chance of being put back in office. I guess some people never learn!
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Obama left wing? If only that was true.
Have you looked outside the American bubble lately at the rest of the developed world and their politicians?
He and his party on the whole are as far to the left as Ralph Nader is to the right.
But keep believing the nonsense you're being fed by the GOP whose current leadership has been treading more dangerously toward fascism than we've seen in the western world since WWII and is showing no signs of stopping.
Actual liberalism in the US has been marginalized to the far fringes of the Democratic party and third parties and hasn't even come close to the presidency in decades.
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Him and his RADICAL views on health care reform, based on laws enacted in Massachusetts and signed by Mitt Romney. I suppose it would be better to a have a handful of billionaires be given whatever means they need to dismantle unions, community control over decision making, etc, so they can get even wealthy and let the rest of countries infrastructure fall apart.
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Didn't you know that anyone who doesn't believe in social Darwinism is automatically a Marxist?
Only in America would somebody as crazy (and downright scary) as Paul Ryan not be laughed right out of office.
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Obama's quest to become the most centrist president in history
His views are so radically left wing
potayto patahto, right?
Have you looked outside the American bubble lately
this is AMERICA. who the hell cares about where thar be dragons?
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His views are so radically left wing that it is beyond me how anyone would have voted for him.
Loading up his administration with CEOs and Wall Street executives is all part of the con, right?
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Trump Unable To Produce Certificate Proving He's Not A Festering Pile Of Shit
http://www.theonion.com/articles/trump-unable-to-produce-certificate-proving-hes-no,20250/
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It high time the government got the hell out of my life and let me live rather than getting bigger and spending more and more of my money (a big chunk on lazy bastards or those otherwise unwilling to make logical life decisions). Sadly, he stands a godo chance of being put back in office. I guess some people never learn!
Yes, as always, it's the POOR who are destroying America. Unless I was born yesterday, I don't think it's the poor are stagnating wages and consolidating wealth amongst the top 1%.
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It high time the government got the hell out of my life and let me live rather than getting bigger and spending more and more of my money (a big chunk on lazy bastards or those otherwise unwilling to make logical life decisions). Sadly, he stands a godo chance of being put back in office. I guess some people never learn!
Yes, as always, it's the POOR who are destroying America. Unless I was born yesterday, I don't think it's the poor are stagnating wages and consolidating wealth amongst the top 1%.
I was absolutely blown away after Bush got reelected, so anythings possible I'm afraid.
BTW - is it true that during the Whitehouse Easter Egg hunt the Obama girls were taking away half of everyones eggs to hand them out to the kids that couldn't be bothered to hunt for thier own???
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Some of us believe developers shouldn't be able to build their crappy ass projects where ever they want. Like the world needs more office parks, banks, mcmansions, cellphone stores, chain anything, golf courses,etc
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Some of us believe developers shouldn't be able to build their crappy ass projects where they want. Like the world needs more office parks, banks, mcmansions, cellphone stores, chain anything, golf courses,etc
if the world didn't want more seven elevens or trader joes or _________ your brand name here . . . then they would not exist. they exist and people make money off building them because there is demand. people want. that is what they do.
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good read:
Donald Trump's lunacy reveals core truth about the Republicans
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-donald-trumps-lunacy-reveals-core-truth-about-the-republicans-2276222.html
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SHOW ME THE BODY!!!
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do you have your scuba license? if not, you can borrow smackie's ;D
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Well dear, since you're so insistent:
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[SHOW ME THE BODY!!![/b]
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How do you kill a dead guy?
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I like ;D
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teh lulz: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/the-situation-room-meme-the-shortest-route-from-bin-laden-to-lulz/238251/
ex:
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I like how all the Obamas are transfixed by the warfare except for General Obama who's clearly watching 2girls1cup for the very first time.
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i thought Gen. Obama was taking a dump.
that double chin reminds me of the e-trade baby.
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Haha Hillary Obama is picking her/his nose
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How do you kill a dead guy?
By wagging the dog!!!
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How do you kill a dead guy?
By wagging the dog!!!
And we have a WINNER!!!
So, do you think they'll give the Oscar to Obama this year?
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How do you kill a dead guy?
By wagging the dog!!!
And we have a WINNER!!!
So, do you think they'll give the Oscar to Obama this year?
by winner do you mean loser?
It was hard to beat the 9/11 truth thing for sheer stupidity, but the "Osama was already dead" theory comes close. Some obvious, simple logic:
If this is being done to boost poll numbers, why didn't Dubya do it and ensure his own party's continued hold on power?
if it is being done to boost Obama, why doesn't he do it before the election where it would actually have a major effect?
If I were speaking these sentences, I'd be talking slowly, as if to a child having trouble understanding a concept.
Anyway, the important thing is, as Obama said, "he will never walk the Earth again." I'd be sad to learn he died of natural causes, but whether that's the case, the SEALs killed him, or he will spend the rest of his life in a hellish rendition prison, that's all OK with me as long as he's out of circulation.
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Doom: "by winner do you mean loser?"
No, though I understand it, I don't speak Orwellian.
Doom: "It was hard to beat the 9/11 truth thing for sheer stupidity, but the "Osama was already dead" theory comes close. Some obvious, simple logic:"
A whole host of Architects, Engineers & Scientists (http://stj911.org/members/index.html), among many, many other professionals can prove that you don't know your laws of physics. News flash: a closed mind won't change them. Here's a bit different perspective (http://www.drjudywood.com/) yet still in the same general camp.
Those in power (who are equally part of the past couple administrations) keep changing their stories faster than a child caught lying after being caught with their hands in the cookie jar. That's because they aren't getting away with so much crap anymore like they use to though they sure as hell keep trying; hence, all the quick changing of the lies.
Btw, how do you explain Madeline Albright, Walter Cronkite, Benazir Bhutto, Sybil Edmonds and Steve Pieczenick (http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html), the #2 man under Henry Kissinger, who claimed back ~2003 that Osama was dead possibly from Marsans syndrome and some even claimed that he was being kept on ice to be rolled out before Dubya's re-election to drum up support? Because of some other crap they got caught faking, they then nixed that idea. Now that Obama's world is falling apart, they decided to roll him out of the freezer for same said plan. Still not working because too many of the people aren't buying it and pointing out their crap. Why do you think they keep changing their stories? Oh, and Leon Panetta (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html) recently said that the cameras were turned off just before they entered the compound so even that part of the story is yet another big fat lie. The people are sick of their crap and don't want them around anymore because they can't be trusted and are ruining the country.
Jim Corbett, an excellent political analyst, can explain some of it (http://www.corbettreport.com/osama-bin-laden-pronounced-dead-for-the-ninth-time/) much better than I can.
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Doom: "Anyway, the important thing is, as Obama said, "he will never walk the Earth again." I'd be sad to learn he died of natural causes, but whether that's the case, the SEALs killed him, or he will spend the rest of his life in a hellish rendition prison, that's all OK with me as long as he's out of circulation."
In some respects, yes, except that there's good reason to believe that Osama was working side by side with killer Cheney, Bush and a few others to act as the magnet for who was actually involved. He and the others knew he was dying so it wasn't much of a problem for him playing the bad guy since he knew he'd be dead in no time. It was well known that the Osama family was good buddies with the Bush crime family. They even had big contracts to build many of the US military installations.
So, Mankie is the winner by stating the correct answer and Obama is nothing but a performing puppet for those who do not have the best interest of the regular people of the world, including our very own citizens. The emperor is as butt naked as ever and now those who surround him are also being exposed for their sheer nakedness.
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A whole host of Architects, Engineers & Scientists (http://stj911.org/members/index.html), among many, many other professionals can prove that you don't know your laws of physics. News flash: a closed mind won't change them.
not a single credible, independent source backs any of those claims. until scientists from outside the truther movement - i.e. people who don't start with the viewpoint that it was an inside job - back up those claims, i'll keep dismissing them.
to understand people clinging to "9/11 was an inside job" type arguments, we need to turn to psychology. 9/11 was such a traumatic experience that the brain can't make sense of it all, so it starts filling in gaps with whatever it can. in a twist of irony, scientist use science - i.e. what they know best - to explain the trauma in terms that they understand. it's a case of a conclusion in search of facts.
"Linguist Noam Chomsky stated that, regarding US government involvement in the 9/11 attacks, "the evidence that has been produced is essentially worthless" and while the American government stood to benefit from the incident, "every authoritarian system in the world gained from September 11th." He argues that the enormous risk of an information leak, "it is a very porous system and secrets are very hard to keep", and consequences of exposure for the Republican party would have made such a conspiracy foolish to attempt. He dismisses observations cited by conspiracy proponents saying, "if you look at the evidence, anybody who knows anything about the sciences would instantly discount that evidence," arguing that even when a scientific experiment is carried out repeatedly in a controlled environment, phenomena and coincidences remain that are unexplained"
"... In response to Steven E. Jones publishing a hypothesis that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition, Eager said that adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement would use the reverse scientific method to arrive at their conclusions, as they "determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."
"In a research paper written in 2008, Cass R. Sunstein and Adrian Vermeule conclude that theories supported by 9/11 truth movement members "typically spread as a result of identifiable cognitive blunders, operating in conjunction with informational and reputational influences. A distinctive feature of conspiracy theories is their self-sealing quality. Conspiracy theorists are not likely to be persuaded by an attempt to dispel their theories; they may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy...those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a crippled epistemology..."
"Calling conspiracy theorists "the truthers", Bill Moyers states they "...threw out all the evidence of al-Qaeda's involvement, from contemporaneous calls from hijack victims on the planes to confessions from al-Qaeda leaders both in and out of captivity that they had indeed done it. Then, recycling some of the right's sophistry techniques, such as using long lists of supposed evidence to overcome the lack of any real evidence, the "truthers" cherry-picked a few supposed "anomalies" to build an "inside-job" story line"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_movement#Criticism
believing bad science doesn't make one edgy or "a free thinker". it makes one gullible.
Those in power (who are equally part of the past couple administrations) keep changing their stories faster than a child caught lying after being caught with their hands in the cookie jar. That's because they aren't getting away with so much crap anymore like they use to though they sure as hell keep trying; hence all the quick changing of the lies.
Btw, how do you explain Madeline Albright, Walter Cronkite, Sybil Edmonds and the #2 man under Henry Kissinger who claimed back ~2003 that Osama was dead from Marsans syndrome and that he was being kept on ice to be rolled out before Dubya's re-election to drum up support? Because of some other crap they got caught faking, they then nixed that idea. Now that Obama's world is falling apart, they decided to roll him out of the freezer for same said plan. Still not working because too many of the people aren't buying it and pointing out their crap. Why do you think they keep changing their stories? Oh, and Leon Panetta recently said that the cameras were turned off just before they entered the compound so even that part of the story is yet another big fat lie. The people are sick of their crap and don't want them around anymore because they can't be trusted and are ruining the country.
1) come up with a conspiracy ("osama was dead years ago")
2) if lacking proof, conveniently claim that it's part of the conspiracy ("Because of some other crap they got caught faking, they then nixed that idea").
3) repeat step 1 as needed ("Now that Obama's world is falling apart, ...")
thanks, got it.
panetta et al. claim the cameras were turned off before entering the compound, IMO, b/c 1) there are security concerns (dont' want to give away techniques), and 2) they don't want to show that they murdered an un-armed osama. i'm willing to bet they had orders to kill on sight but don't want that fact known, hence all the back and forth about osama being armed - i mean i was reaching for a weapon - i mean he was moving in a threatening way - i mean he didn't immediately put his hands up - i mean...
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Oh, what a crock of shit! I'm pretty sure though that you explained your own psychological denial of loads of facts.
""First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi
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Oh, what a crock of shit! I'm pretty sure though that you explained your own psychological denial of loads of facts.
""First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi
Mahatma Gandhi had a strong grip on reality. You don't.
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i'm still mad at jaguar for fumbling in the super bowl
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I think the far bigger question is:
Is Osama in hell?
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/306346
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Osama Bin Laden Killed While Sitting On Toilet, Nation Likes To Imagine
MAY 2, 2011 | ISSUE 47?18
NEW YORK?Osama bin Laden, 54-year-old leader of the international terrorist group al-Qaeda and mastermind of the 9/11 attacks that took nearly 3,000 American lives in 2001, was killed early Monday morning in Pakistan while sitting on the toilet, the U.S. populace took great pleasure in imagining today. ?Just thinking about the stupid look on that evil bastard?s face when those Navy SEALs kicked in the bathroom door and started blasting away?it?s so totally priceless,? said Queens, NY resident Rachel Sumner, one of 311 million Americans who reveled in a fictional scenario in which bin Laden met his gruesome and humiliating end while sitting on the commode, humming to himself, and reading a newspaper. ?And him frantically trying to pull up his boxer shorts seconds before some badass Special Forces guy blows his head off?ha, ha! What a fucking moron.? Some Americans have disputed this fabricated version of bin Laden?s death, explaining they prefer to imagine the terrorist leader being surprised by Navy SEALs while wearing bright red lipstick, trying on ladies? clothing, sashaying in front of a full-length mirror, and saying, ?Who?s the prettiest little girl? Osama's the prettiest little girl!?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/osama-bin-laden-killed-while-sitting-on-toilet-nat,20302/
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Jag -
Last night I'm on a date with this chick who starts yapping about how the US Government conspired to crash the planes into the Towers and the pentagon, and how Bush and Cheney orchestrated it all to make money in the war mongering industry and the oil industry blah blah blah. After I realized she was serious, I reached into my pocket, took out 2 $20's to cover my portion of dinner and the wine and walked out without saying a word. And she was hot.
I tell you this so the next time this happens to you, you can at least take solace in the fact that you're not the only crazy one out there....
Smackie
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this whole birther/truther/osama was dead already crap is a huge waste of time...really...enough already
what i find more laughable of all is that they all cite sources from internet websites, as if you'll find the "truth" there...what a waste of freaking time...
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http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
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what if the globalists just want you to think that the u.s. government brought down the towers themselves? truthers could be playing right into their hands (http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd358/iwanttorentawombat/shrukennazi.gif)
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lol @ smackie's date story.
i dunno, hot & crazy = potential for a good short-term combo. i might have given it a one-time try, could have been wild. but i wasn't the one faced with tales of New World Order and government thought control.
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we both know smackie has a firm grasp on the hot/crazy scale. i must defer to his judgement in this situation
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Hey Jag, only two more weeks until the rapture!
http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21/
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That's the thinking of a married man.
When you're single and afloat in a sea of opportunity, you do as Smackie did.
lol @ smackie's date story.
i dunno, hot & crazy = potential for a good short-term combo. i might have given it a one-time try, could have been wild. but i wasn't the one faced with tales of New World Order and government thought control.
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I'm on a date with this chick
Bullshit.
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A few things here....
I practically invented the hot/crazy scale when I dated the girl who is still affectionately referred to as "Swimfan" by mother and my sisters...but my dad got it.
I clearly wasn't sold on the girl last night and it was still early enough in the night that I could salvage my cinco de mayo - which I did. I can tolerate a lot of crazy to have a good night, but I think having delved into the conspiracy theory thread earlier in the day made me less tolerant of it. I figured the Bin Laden thing was next on her horizon and I just didn't feel like tolerating it that long. I tried to change the subject a couple of times and it was not happening so I bolted.
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I'm on a date with this chick
Bullshit.
I'm sorry. Were you waiting for me to ask you out?
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I practically invented the hot/crazy scale
http://www.theonion.com/articles/totally-hot-chick-also-way-psycho,684/
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I prefer the Vickie Mendoza Diagonal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zADosF3XoQ)
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I would've nailed it then bolted.....$40 is $40 smackie.
For every crazy conspiricy theorist amongst us, there's another crazy sheeple blindly following this president like he's the pied fucking piper. I don't think anybody is neutral with this bloke.
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He said he paid $40 for his meal, not hers.
I would've nailed it then bolted.....$40 is $40 smackie.
For every crazy conspiricy theorist amongst us, there's another crazy sheeple blindly following this president like he's the pied fucking piper. I don't think anybody is neutral with this bloke.
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He said he paid $40 for his meal, not hers.
I would've nailed it then bolted.....$40 is $40 smackie.
For every crazy conspiricy theorist amongst us, there's another crazy sheeple blindly following this president like he's the pied fucking piper. I don't think anybody is neutral with this bloke.
..but would he have gone to that restaurant on his own? He still spent $40 because of her right?
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lol @ smackie's date story.
i dunno, hot & crazy = potential for a good short-term combo. i might have given it a one-time try, could have been wild. but i wasn't the one faced with tales of New World Order and government thought control.
Hot and wild never adequately balances out crazy.
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Oh, what a crock of shit! I'm pretty sure though that you explained your own psychological denial of loads of facts.
""First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi
Mahatma Gandhi had a strong grip on reality. You don't.
You are so wrong! I've got facts. You've got opinions. Besides, over the years, my sources almost always pan out as being correct. Your guys almost always prove to be involved in nothing but lies, deceit, theft and murder. No thanks! I'll stick with the tried and true regardless of all this 'follow the party line illusion, right or wrong' bullying.
what i find more laughable of all is that they all cite sources from internet websites, as if you'll find the "truth" there...what a waste of freaking time...
Easiest way to point out backup when conversing online. Besides, these mindless sheep are the very same people who refuse to believe anything without internet links as though something can't be true unless there is an internet link. I could just as easily point them in the direction of loads of books, videos, radio shows, lectures, etc, etc but I doubt any of them would bother doing any real research. Besides, they don't want to know because they can't handle the truth. Tons of other sources out there backing all this stuff up while the detractors have almost nothing but unfounded debunking, irate ranters who can't handle the truth and opinionated defense of false idols and illusions. The very biggest conspiracy theories of all are the lies that our leaders keep trying to shove down our throats. I just can't believe how many freaking dumb, yet otherwise intelligent people, are believing all this propaganda!
Smackie - your loss. Maybe if you would open your mind, use some common sense and research the facts, you might learn something. Blindly following a naked emperor down the very same disastrous path of that other guy you supposedly hated so much is not only foolish but makes you look like a sucker. Wow, now that I think of it, Smackie opted for a naked puppet emperor over a naked hot chick!
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I would've nailed it then bolted.....$40 is $40 smackie.
For every crazy conspiricy theorist amongst us, there's another crazy sheeple blindly following this president like he's the pied fucking piper. I don't think anybody is neutral with this bloke.
I'll talk to you, since you're not crazy. I'm not sure who you think is blindly following Obama? Myself and everyone I know has been disappointed by Obama repeatedly, as was inevitable given the high expectations he raised.
Certainly, I think anyone who sympathizes with a party that thinks Palin and Trump are qualified candidates is a fucking idiot, but that's not the same as blindly following Obama.
And in this case I am impressed with the decision Obama made to go in, kill Bin Laden, and dump him over a Navy ship. Given his 2000 attack on the USS Cole, it's hard to imagine a more fitting end for OBL other than perhaps putting him atop a skyscraper and forcing him to choose between being burned alive and having to jump.
And truly, the US Navy SEALs who did this are the real heroes. But Obama gets credit for making a risky decision that I can't imagine Dubya ever making despite his tough talk. Most presidents would've chosen a drone strike, and there would have been everlasting doubts about his death (I mean, among people who matter), and we would've missed out on all the intel that was grabbed from his house. This changes everything, including laying Pakistan's duplicity out in the open. It complately deflates the myth OBL built around himself as a heroic warrior. He didn't even go out shooting. And the only people who doubt the success of this kill or the role Bin Laden played in 9/11 are the nutcases, egged on by some truly vile people.
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Oh, what a crock of shit! I'm pretty sure though that you explained your own psychological denial of loads of facts.
""First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi
Mahatma Gandhi had a strong grip on reality. You don't.
You are so wrong! I've got facts. You've got opinions. Besides, over the years, my sources almost always pan out as being correct. Your guys almost always prove to be involved in nothing but lies, deceit, theft and murder. No thanks! I'll stick with the tried and true regardless of all this 'follow the party line illusion, right or wrong' bullying.
what i find more laughable of all is that they all cite sources from internet websites, as if you'll find the "truth" there...what a waste of freaking time...
Easiest way to point out backup when conversing online. Besides, these mindless sheep are the very same people who refuse to believe anything without internet links as though something can't be true unless there is an internet link. I could just as easily point them in the direction of loads of books, videos, radio shows, lectures, etc, etc but I doubt any of them would bother doing any real research. Besides, they don't want to know because they can't handle the truth.
(http://www.gifsoup.com/view/859825/you-can-t-handle-the-truth-o.gif)
;D
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Let me just clear up some of the bigger inaccuracies in this thread....
(1) The biggest misnomer is the idea that smackie went home alone that night. Please, smackie doesn't go home alone...he buys condoms from the bulk section and has planned parenthood on speed dial.
(2) That smackie needs to open his mind to get her to open her legs. Come on. I could have pretended to listen and smile and nod like I always do and gone home with this girl. Instead, all I had to do was listen to some other girl defend spending $8 for a dozen free range eggs at the local farmers market and go home with her. Open my mind? Completely unnecessary with my charm...
(3) That $40 is $40. The wine alone was worth the $40 and as Rhett pointed out, I covered my half, not hers. I would have spent close to that eating and drinking elsewhere, better that I cut out when I did and not drop $80. She should have paid me to listen to that drivel.
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She should have paid me to listen to that drivel.
You couldn't ever pay me enough. I can laugh off all kinds of bullshit if need be, but that 911 denial crap is an insult to all the people who died on that day.
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They released some new videos of Bin Laden today hanging out in his crib. If the videos show him saying I planned the 9/11 attacks with detailed maps and everything would that change the conspiracy peoples minds? ;D
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I'm not sure who you think is blindly following Obama? Myself and everyone I know has been disappointed by Obama repeatedly, as was inevitable given the high expectations he raised.
Glad to hear this. I can fully respect someone who voted for Obama but now sees him for who he really is. First off, it wasn't like the other mainstream candidate was anyone to actually vote for. One was as bad as the other and I truly believe that we would still be in as bad a shape and the same crap would have went down if McCain would have won. After all, they were both bought and paid for by the very same banksters and big corporations. Plus, the advertising campaign for Obama was fantastic. They won an award that year for the job they did and they deserved it for being a very effective campaign. It's just very seriously sad that it was for such a horrendous product, so to speak. It's those who still insist that Obama walks on water who are completely intolerable due to their complete and utter inability to see him for who he really is and call him out for being such a disaster.
Certainly, I think anyone who sympathizes with a party that thinks Palin and Trump are qualified candidates is a fucking idiot, but that's not the same as blindly following Obama.
Don't know if you are referring to me with this but, if so, you are dead wrong yet again. See, here I agree with you 100%. Those two are nothing but circus side show freaks meant to distract us from other issues and to sway anti-Obamaites off into yet another dangerous camp. I could go on about them but I'd be preaching to the choir here.
And in this case I am impressed with the decision Obama made to go in, kill Bin Laden, and dump him over a Navy ship. Given his 2000 attack on the USS Cole, it's hard to imagine a more fitting end for OBL other than perhaps putting him atop a skyscraper and forcing him to choose between being burned alive and having to jump.
And truly, the US Navy SEALs who did this are the real heroes. But Obama gets credit for making a risky decision that I can't imagine Dubya ever making despite his tough talk. Most presidents would've chosen a drone strike, and there would have been everlasting doubts about his death (I mean, among people who matter), and we would've missed out on all the intel that was grabbed from his house. This changes everything, including laying Pakistan's duplicity out in the open. It complately deflates the myth OBL built around himself as a heroic warrior. He didn't even go out shooting. And the only people who doubt the success of this kill or the role Bin Laden played in 9/11 are the nutcases, egged on by some truly vile people.
IF I agreed with you regarding how 9/11 all what down, than I too would agree with this sediment. Also, they've been caught faking Osama's messages and such in the past which was all proven to be a hoax that they later had to admit to (and they DID admit it because they got caught!) Considering that all sorts of insiders have already admitted that Osama died about 9 years ago from Marsans or some other kidney disease, I very, very seriously doubt the authenticity of this tape. They've been caught faking way too many things to trust this.
You really should look into some of the better 9/11 research. Just a very few highlights:
* It is physically impossible, absolutely IMPOSSIBLE, for a building to collapse the way that they did the way they claim. Not once, not twice, but THREE times!!! Especially the 3rd building, Building 7. The ONLY way it can happen is if it was a CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. Don't believe me, ask a demolitions expert. They had to have some sort of bombs in the lower structures and it takes weeks to place them in properly. Plus, they have to do other things to weaken the structures like cut 45 degree angles into the beams and add thermite to soften them. These buildings are built way too sound to have fallen the way they claim. Even then, they would never fall so evenly without a very controlled lower blasting from the lower portions of the buildings with precisely evened timing. If either of them fell by their lies, they would have fallen off to the side. In fact, planes have crashed into skyscrapers before and they only suffer upper damage because.... heat RISES! Btw, jet fuel burns at a much lower temperature than what is required to burn all that steal. Again, another law of physics they expect us to throw to the wayside like magic elves showed up that day. There's many more factual details on this if you bother to do any real research involving real physics rather than just some paid mouthpiece's opinionated rants.
* Look into the insurance policies that Larry Silverstein (the guy who owned the World Trade Center towers) bought only about a week before 9/11. There was also all kinds of other very fishy insider Wall St. money and stocks shuffling around that made a few people very rich because of the events on 9/11. Go look for all that gold that was moved out from below the buildings only days before.
* Seems way too coincidental that they just happened to have a drill planned for that day involving that exact same scenario as what actually happened that day. Even the ATF (or was it the FBI?) who were housed in one of those buildings were told ahead of time NOT to report to work that day. Huh? Bet you didn't know about that. They put the military and everyone on stand down that day claiming that everything was 'just a drill'. Little did these good people of our forces know that that drill was no drill. It was the real thing! This very conveniently kept our forces from responding in a manner that would actually help prevent any further attacks.
* If you remember, they were reporting right away who the highjackers were. Yeah, they did have some extremist patsies suckered into thinking that they alone could achieve such a difficult mission. It was all staging and they found a few fools who were committed and dumb enough to go along with the plan. Bet they didn't even know most of what was going on. But didn't you ever wonder how in the Hell they knew who they were right away 'supposedly' by their passports falling out of the sky? That one threw me for a loop the second that I first heard it that morning! Mostly because it made no sense that they'd know it was one of the terrorists just by finding their passport within moments. Now I don't even believe that they found those passports considering that they couldn't find anything else!!! More ridiculousness!
* Building 7 was used for all the dirty meetings and held the paper work for them. By them, I'm talking about people like Dick Cheney, George Bush, jr., Donald Rumsfeld, Rudolph Guiliani and Larry Silverstein. What about Osama Bin Ladin? Don't know if he actually attended but he too, YES, was involved. It's just that he was working in concert with these other bastards and not alone. They took down Building 7 to destroy the evidence. It was known then that Osama was very sick and had been given a prognosis of dying within 6 months from then, at best. They all, including Osama (very good friends with the Bush crime family), agreed that he would be the fall guy since he'd be out the living picture in no time. Again, about 9 years ago, people like Madeline Albright, Walter Cronkite, Benazir Bhutto and other high level people had reported that Osama was already dead.
* The various news outlets were given scripts to follow. Funny thing was, the BBC slipped up and announced that Building 7 collapsed about 10 whole minutes BEFORE it actually collapsed! Now, the BBC is a pretty decent network but they aren't that good to be able to announce the news before it even happens.
* Dick Cheney was caught on tape giving the orders to 'pull it' (a controlled demolition term to pull down a building) just before Building 7 fell.
* Many professional and seasoned pilots have stated that it is extremely difficult to guide a jet into such a target and be that precise. They all claim that only a very well trained pilot might be able to do such a thing. Yet, we are lied to yet again and told that several guys who took only a couple flying classes, and did very poorly, were able to so precisely fly a commercial jet into an exact target over a major city. Again, go ask a jet pilot about that. It's suspected that some sort of remote controlled device was actually guiding the planes that day.
This barely scratches the surface of why many people know that we were sold a bill of rotten goods and it's nothing but the biggest pile of bullshit ever to be flung at the sheeple. Once you recognize this, than you need to question why. That part is much more debatable but to buy into the government's lies is following the biggest conspiracy theory of all!
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jags . . . if i wasn't gay . . . and i wasn't already spoken for . . . i would ask for your hand in marriage.
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1.) Jaguar, you really don't believe all that, do you? About 9/11 being an inside job? What do you mean, it's "physcially impossible" for a building to collapse like that? I mean, no offense, you're not that intelligent. How do you know anything about the structural engineering of a skycraper? You just read and believe what you want to believe. You don't understand so you find something that you can understand and believe that. What papers have you published on physics or engineering? It's "physically impossible?" That's amazing that you can say that with authority when you're really not that bright. You only have a high-school education, don't you?
"Real research?" So what you're saying is that the tens of thousands of people in this country who have a good idea of what would happen when the circumstances of 9/11 existed are just STAYING SILENT? That all the fine, educated people at Stanford, M.I.T., CalTech ALSO know that 9/11 was a "controlled demolition exercise" and THEY are staying silent? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?!?!?!?
"Real research involving real physics". That's amazing. Let's do it, Jaguar. I certainly have the academic background. I doubt if you do but I'll be patient in explaining the basics of the physical world to you. It's be fun.
If not, let's do "Fake research into fake physics."
I sympathize. There's all sorts of propaganda out there that says Bruce Springsteen, The Beatles and Pink Floyd are AWESOME! But we all know the truth, don't we?
Americans have a lot of unique, great traits. NOT believing things that have obvious evidence (like Osama really being dead, Obama being born in America) and BELIEVING things that have no evidence (9/11 being caused by our own government) isn't one of them.
2.) I though vansmack was married. To a doctor or something. Is that sweetcell? One of you is married. Or WAS married.
Brian
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i found this on the intranerd:
"Brian Wallace is a lone obsessive Holocaust Revisionist who runs his own website and also posts on fascist sites about what he calls 'monkey-culturalism'. A few years ago he toured Universities around the country distributing semi-literate rants about the Holocaust culled from foreign Fascist websites. Another favourite activity of his is spamming the e-mail accounts of history lecturers with his fictional rubbish. The picture of Wallace was taken on a previous sortie into UCD, when he was chased off campus by anti-racists."
:o
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This is how religions get started. People can't, or won't, understand things too big for them to handle, and so they turn to fictional deities and other all-powerful forces to explain them.
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Woah all this time and I never realized Jaguar was... this
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Smackie was married officially until about 3 weeks ago.
Unofficially until about 6 months ago.
For the entertainment of this board #neveragain
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hey conspiracy nutters: al qaeda released statements about the death of bin laden. lemme guess, those are fake messages. or, better yet, al qaeda is actually part of The New World Order, so they're part of The Plan. or those death confirmations were sent out years ago, but because The Man controls the Internet (look it up!) they intercepted those messages are only released them now!
or maybe osama was killed a week ago and everything is as it seems. naaaaaaaaaaah...
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You are so wrong! I've got facts. You've got opinions.
jag, you are beyond delusional if you think that only you and a very small minority have the facts, and everyone else has opinions. at least you're providing a good laugh.
This is how religions get started. People can't, or won't, understand things too big for them to handle, and so they turn to fictional deities and other all-powerful forces to explain them.
most intelligent thing said in this thread (ok, second to the reminder that smackie masters the hot/crazy trade-off).
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After all, they were both bought and paid for by the very same banksters
are banksters like sheeple?
the portmanteaus flowing out of the far left are really fantastic these days
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In a soldier?s stance, I aimed my hand
At the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not that I?d become my enemy
In the instant that I preach
My pathway led by confusion boats
Mutiny from stern to bow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I?m younger than that now
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the portmanteaus flowing out of the far left are really fantastic these days
is it far left? a lot of the conspiracy crackpots sound more like libertarians so makes me think it's from the far right.
but whatever side it's coming from, it still sounds crazy.
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the portmanteaus flowing out of the far left are really fantastic these days
is it far left? a lot of the conspiracy crackpots sound more like libertarians so makes me think it's from the far right.
but whatever side it's coming from, it still sounds crazy.
truthers = left
birthers = right
bankers as gangsters = big time left (see, e.g., front page of huffpost every day for the last few years)
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the portmanteaus flowing out of the far left are really fantastic these days
is it far left? a lot of the conspiracy crackpots sound more like libertarians so makes me think it's from the far right.
but whatever side it's coming from, it still sounds crazy.
truthers = left
birthers = right
bankers as gangsters = big time left (see, e.g., front page of huffpost every day for the last few years)
When you go far enough left or far enough right, it all becomes the same thing. I am going to bet there is a pretty big overlap between truthers, birthers, holocaust deniers, and never-landed-on-the-mooners. Once people decide to cope with reality by denying it, there's no looking back.
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I confess I don't agree with any of Jaguar's sediment.
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really disappointed we havent heard about the lizard people yet
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people who don't believe in conspiracy theorists . . . are in turn conspiracy theorists themselves. belief is a powerful drug that controls all minds.
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I confess I don't agree with any of Jaguar's sediment.
don't soil her good name.
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I confess I don't agree with any of Jaguar's sediment.
don't soil her good name.
POTW
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people who don't believe in conspiracy theorists . . . are in turn conspiracy theorists themselves.
that is incorrect, because you are shifting the burden of proof away from those who are making the extraordinary claims. believing in chemtrails, the inside job, osama was dead years ago, etc does not hold up so the burden is on the believers to prove their case. wrapping a conspiracy inside a bigger conspiracy doesn't constitute proof.
belief is a powerful drug that controls all minds.
true dat. it can even make people ignore the obvious truth and seek explanations in the clouds.
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This thread is bonkers ;D
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Wow, the Ziplock Gang is at it hard and strong, just like the religious fundaMENTALists that you all are! You all ought to move to Baltimore where you can rightfully chant and display your favorite bumper sticker 'Believe'. That's your mantra. Believe. Believe. Believe... because that's all you've got. Believe. Believe the total bullshit party lines they feed you without facts or legitimate reason. Hey, why bother with facts? To you guys, they just get in the way of belief! None of you have any proof. Not one of you! I've presented many facts but you all prefer to pretend that the government lies supercede science and documentation. What I've presented is only a slight scratching of the surface.
Hey, Hoya? Where's the money? Seems you are the sole individual on this planet who doesn't suspect that it was stolen. Although Rhett might be with you as we all know that if it's not happening in his backyard, than it's not happening.
Et tu Brian? Don't worry, I won't embarrass you with my degrees. Besides, there are many, many of other ways of learning besides official government sanctioned educational warehouses. Some of which are better than others, of course. As much as I love learning and have no regrets about any of my degrees, I also know that it's a real insult to those without a degree to assume that the only way of learning anything is to pay big bucks to some institution in return for a piece of sheep skin. Though they would love for you to believe it, they are not the exclusive means of information and training. Oh, btw Brian, there are hundreds of degreed professionals and experts who are on my side. But, if you don't bother to do any real research, you probably won't find out about them. So, I guess, in your mind, because you haven't bothered to do any real investigation, I guess they don't exist.
Oh, and don't bother trying to peg me on the left/right scale. As usual, that's where most of you totally lose it when you try to accuse me of being a follower of any specific candidate, theory or preference. I see right through the 2 party paradigm and how it's essentially the very same thing with nothing but a change of clothing, so to speak. Sure, a few different issues to keep up apparances but both have the same masters pulling their strings. Besides, once you get fully invested in any one party, you tend to lose sight of the issues for the sake of the religion and ideology of the party.
What I find very strange is how many of the Ziplock Gang are hardcore Democratic Party believers and extreme leftists (yes, you are!) yet insist on defending some of the main people involved in 9/11 who happen to be hardcore Neo-Cons. Then again, it does make perfect sense since both parties now pretty much stick together on issues of war, banking and big business. Shame on you!
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It's ok Jagy, I still like you ;D
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It's ok Jagy, I still like you ;D
I still like you too because you are not a schoolyard bully like some of those around here who are well known for bullying every and anyone who wander in here and don't exactly think or post like they do. Oh, and God forbid they have different musical tastes!
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Colleges are were they learn (aka brainwashed) how to become the left-wing elitist most of them are. Some are so brainwashed they don't even realize they are lefty-elites.
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jaguar, what are youre thoughts on david icke
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jaguar, what are youre thoughts on david icke
Kind of mixed. Some, he's dead on and has loads of documentation to back him up. But some of the 'stranger' things, let's say, I'm curious but not anywhere near convinced. Very skeptical, let's say. Because you asked, I'm sure that you know which I'm talking about. There's a pretty clear divide there.
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man, i totally used the wrong your
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man, i totally used the wrong your
who says that's the wrong your? schools and colleges run by the government? FREE YOU'RE MIND!!!
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man, i totally used the wrong your
who says that's the wrong your?
the lizard people
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Colleges are were they learn
the lizard people strike again.
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what a bunch of dicks
i'm on jag's side now
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what a bunch of dicks
i'm on jag's side now
Welcome to the dark side.... ;)
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are you denying that the reptiloids changed Frank's post and introduced that typo? you have no proof that they didn't, therefore i am right. down with the lizards!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBwSU3ZQbZo
You're working at your leisure to learn the things you'll need
The promises you make tomorrow will carry no guarantee
I've seen your qualifications, you've got a Ph.D.
I've got one art O level, it did nothing for me
Working for the rat race
You know you're wasting your time
Working for the rat race
You're no friend of mine
You plan your conversation to impress the college bar
Just talking about your Mother and Daddy's Jaguar
Wear your political T-shirt and sacred college scarf
Discussing the worlds situation but just for a laugh
You'll be working for the rat race
You know you're wasting your time
Working for the rat race
You're no friend of mine
Working for the rat race
You know you're wasting your time
Working for the rat race
You're no friend of mine
Just working at your leisure to learn the things you don't need
The promises you make tomorrow will carry no guarantee
I've seen your qualifications, you've got a Ph.D.
I've got one art O level, it did nothing for me
Working for the rat race
You know you're wasting your time
You're working for the rat race
You're no friend of mine
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Long time lurker/seldom poster. I think Jag is spot on by pointing out that both parties are basically controlled by special interest (banking, defense). It's like Bill Hicks used to joke about one group likes the puppet on the right, the other likes the pupett on the left but the same guy is controlling both...now go back to watching TV. Anyone familair with Michael C. Ruppert's work? Kind of along the same lines but with less conspiracy theory.
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Yes.
And when peak oil and global warming simultaneously kick in, none of this Osama 9/11 shit is going to matter much anyway.
Anyone familair with Michael C. Ruppert's work? Kind of along the same lines but with less conspiracy theory.
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Typical! The Ziplock Gang (you know who you are) insist on making fun of me for believing in the Reptilians though I clearly stated that I was extremely skeptical about all that... yet, you again refuse to accept reality. All you are doing is throwing shit against the wall hoping that some of it will stick. All you're really doing is stinking up the place. Just like your bs belief systems.
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kosmo . . . your powers are needed.
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Wait, what? Like, real reptile people? Or is that some code name for a shadowy organization? Oh, christ, this has to be a joke thread right? And how did I miss a thread about lizard people on this board?
making fun of me for believing in the Reptilians though I clearly stated that I was extremely skeptical about all that
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Wait, what? Like, real reptile people? Or is that some code name for a shadowy organization? Oh, christ, this has to be a joke thread right? And how did I miss a thread about lizard people on this board?
making fun of me for believing in the Reptilians though I clearly stated that I was extremely skeptical about all that
Lizard-People Run the World
If a science fiction-based religion isn't exotic enough, followers of onetime BBC reporter David Icke believe that certain powerful people ? like George W. Bush and the British royals ? actually belong to an alien race of shape-shifting lizard-people. Icke claims Princess Diana confirmed this to one of her close friends; other lizard theories (there are several) point to reptilian themes in ancient mythology. And let's not forget the '80s TV show V.
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personally . . . this is my favourite conspiracy theory
Church's Fried Chicken Sterilizes Black Men
Sociologists call this decades-old urban legend a cultural echo of the very real syphilis study carried out on blacks in Tuskegee, Alabama. In another version, KFC is the culprit ? and secretly run by the KKK. There's less controversy over whether the biscuits clog your arteries.
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i wonder . . . after seth, who is the most important person associated with the 930 club? is that a conspiracy?
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i wonder . . . after seth, who is the most important person associated with the 930 club? is that a conspiracy?
It has to be thatguy. I mean come on he's famous ;D
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i wonder . . . after seth, who is the most important person associated with the 930 club? is that a conspiracy?
It has to be thatguy. I mean come on he's famous ;D
but is he . . . a lizard person?
(http://x3e.xanga.com/b76e1b7605237269292676/z214798567.jpg) (http://consequenceofsound.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ph2006101500491.jpg)
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Typical! The Ziplock Gang (you know who you are) insist on making fun of me for believing in the Reptilians though I clearly stated that I was extremely skeptical about all that... yet, you again refuse to accept reality. All you are doing is throwing shit against the wall hoping that some of it will stick. All you're really doing is stinking up the place. Just like your bs belief systems.
i said i was on youre side now, though i am less skeptical about the lizard people
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i wonder . . . after seth, who is the most important person associated with the 930 club? is that a conspiracy?
It has to be thatguy. I mean come on he's famous ;D
but is he . . . a lizard person?
No comments on the political stuff but he seems cool ;D
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Wait, what? Like, real reptile people? Or is that some code name for a shadowy organization? Oh, christ, this has to be a joke thread right? And how did I miss a thread about lizard people on this board?
no, this is about actual lizards - scales, sharp teeth, etc - living among us. they were brought up b/c david icke was brought in to the conversation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Reptilians_and_shape-shifting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Dinosauroid_Reptoid.gif)
stick around. this thread is going places.
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hmmmmm...interesting. When personal attacks don't work, changing the subject is the next option.
So predictable...so very predictable.
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Typical! The Ziplock Gang (you know who you are) insist on making fun of me for believing in the Reptilians though I clearly stated that I was extremely skeptical about all that... yet, you again refuse to accept reality. All you are doing is throwing shit against the wall hoping that some of it will stick. All you're really doing is stinking up the place. Just like your bs belief systems.
i said i was on youre side now, though i am less skeptical about the lizard people
From what I can tell, you are not a member of the Ziplock Gang.
Guess next I'll be accused of being a Reptilian myself because I have my insurance with Geico!
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/7/129124610252223141.jpg)
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but is he . . . a lizard person?
(http://x3e.xanga.com/b76e1b7605237269292676/z214798567.jpg)
the lizardman is an old friend of mine. i knew him before he was green.
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but is he . . . a lizard person?
(http://x3e.xanga.com/b76e1b7605237269292676/z214798567.jpg)
the lizardman is an old friend of mine. i knew him before he was green.
Let me get this one out the way before someone says it....He must be British with those teeth.
HA HA HA..That's so fucking funny and original. I've never heard that one before!!!
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Typical! The Ziplock Gang (you know who you are) insist on making fun of me for believing in the Reptilians though I clearly stated that I was extremely skeptical about all that... yet, you again refuse to accept reality. All you are doing is throwing shit against the wall hoping that some of it will stick. All you're really doing is stinking up the place. Just like your bs belief systems.
i said i was on youre side now, though i am less skeptical about the lizard people
Guess next I'll be accused of being a Reptilian myself because I have my insurance with Geico!
that just makes you a sheeple
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Typical! The Ziplock Gang (you know who you are) insist on making fun of me for believing in the Reptilians though I clearly stated that I was extremely skeptical about all that... yet, you again refuse to accept reality. All you are doing is throwing shit against the wall hoping that some of it will stick. All you're really doing is stinking up the place. Just like your bs belief systems.
i said i was on youre side now, though i am less skeptical about the lizard people
Guess next I'll be accused of being a Reptilian myself because I have my insurance with Geico!
that just makes you a sheeple
Na. An educated consumer. Best rates I could find and they consistently are there when I need them unlike any other company I've had to deal with.
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oh no, jag the ziplock gang has got to you
geico is pretty upfront about being down with the lizard people
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^ Guess you are right. It all gets rather confusing when you are constantly having to maneuver in a maze of lizards and sheeple. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. Kind of like a lizard wearing a sheepskin coat.
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Why do I get the feeling the some of you smoke more weed in a day than I have in a lifetime?
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Why do I get the feeling the some of you smoke more weed in a day than I have in a lifetime?
Don't know about you Rhett, nor any of the others, but I just passed a pee test the other week with flying colors and very clean blood. Weed stays in your system for a very long time; much longer than the actual high. Think about a month. It's been so long that I probably have a whole new body by now!
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I've never EVER smoked weed/dope/maryjane or whatever else you want to call it, or used any other drug that wasn't prescribed to me by doctor.
Does that make me strange?
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I've never EVER smoked weed/dope/maryjane or whatever else you want to call it, or used any other drug that wasn't prescribed to me by doctor.
Does that make me strange?
Absolutely! But NOT 'delusional'.
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I've never EVER smoked weed/dope/maryjane or whatever else you want to call it, or used any other drug that wasn't prescribed to me by doctor.
Damn, does that mean you can't hook me up with any X?
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I've never EVER smoked weed/dope/maryjane or whatever else you want to call it, or used any other drug that wasn't prescribed to me by doctor.
Damn, does that mean you can't hook me up with any X?
Nope...but I do have about 6 oxycodone left over from my shoulder surgery....interested?
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I've never EVER smoked weed/dope/maryjane or whatever else you want to call it, or used any other drug that wasn't prescribed to me by doctor.
Does that make me strange?
(http://prezzyboxpr.com/d/2222-2/You_re+old1.jpg)
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Admiral Akbar
Nice. I laughed out loud.
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The Ziplock Gang
is this a new conspiracy theory? If I belong to a gang I would at least expect camaraderie and someone to cover my drink tab from time to time.
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What the f happened to this thread?
P.S. Calling Obama a liberal is crazier than calling GWB a reptile.
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that's what i'm saying
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P.S. Calling Obama a liberal is crazier than calling GWB a reptile.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, as far as I'm concerned, he's a Fascist Neo-Con.
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P.S. Calling Obama a liberal is crazier than calling GWB a reptile.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, as far as I'm concerned, he's a Fascist Neo-Con.
do you actually know what those words mean, or do you just like stringing words together that sound righteous?
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^ Absolutely! I'm wondering if you do.
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+1 for the good doktor.
-1 for jag, for her "i know you are, but what am i?!?" defense. the dictionary is on doomie's side.
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none of these groups are willing to address our lizard overlord problem, so neo-liberal or classical conservative mean nothing
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+1 for the good doktor.
-1 for jag, for her "i know you are, but what am i?!?" defense. the dictionary is on doomie's side.
-1000 for people being assholes and arguing about politics when they are not politicians, or have never run for office in their lives. what . . . do you go to emergency rooms and scream at doctors because you don't like the job they do? do you sit outside of car dealerships with your ipad and form online "screaming match" debates on ford vs. chevy? how about having protests inside grocery stores because tv dinners are too close to the ice cream?
the easiest way to spot a idiot who thinks their shit don't stink . . . is to listen for the political talk.
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go Walky, Go! ;D
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Bad analogy.
It actually takes quite a bit of specialized training and skill to be an emergency room doctor.
To be a politician, it just takes having an opinion, being able to shake hands like an asshole, and being able to raise large sums of money. Most people are capable of the first two.
+1 for the good doktor.
-1 for jag, for her "i know you are, but what am i?!?" defense. the dictionary is on doomie's side.
-1000 for people being assholes and arguing about politics when they are not politicians, or have never run for office in their lives. what . . . do you go to emergency rooms and scream at doctors because you don't like the job they do? do you sit outside of car dealerships with your ipad and form online "screaming match" debates on ford vs. chevy? how about having protests inside grocery stores because tv dinners are too close to the ice cream?
the easiest way to spot a idiot who thinks their shit don't stink . . . is to listen for the political talk.
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shouldn't you being thinking about your next beer purchase, or something?
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This is the most retarded thread this board has ever seen.
We did it.
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This is the most retarded thread this board has ever seen.
We did it.
(http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bush-mission-accomplished.jpg)
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-1000 for people being assholes and arguing about politics when they are not politicians, or have never run for office in their lives.
are you suggesting that we leave politics to the politicians? that non-politicians cannot have political discussions?
i think everyone can agree that that is a very bad idea.
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I've never EVER smoked weed/dope/maryjane or whatever else you want to call it, or used any other drug that wasn't prescribed to me by doctor.
Does that make me strange?
(http://prezzyboxpr.com/d/2222-2/You_re+old1.jpg)
FAIL!
Technically speaking it's old people who introduced drugs to you whipersnappers....Ever heard about the 60's?.....Woodstock?......huh, huh?
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It doesn't take a Nazi uniform and a German or Italian accent to make a Fascist.
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini
"Fascism is a religious concept."
Benito Mussolini
As a Fascist leader, he should know.
The corporations and banks have bought and paid for and CONTROL our major politicians. Of course, they won't readily admit it but the average person knows it. Besides, the documentation is out there if you know how to find it and understand its implications.
Hitler and the Nazis nationalized many corporations such as IG Farben and Bayer (as in the aspirin). Essentially, they stole the companies and took them over just like Obama did with GM. Obama also has issued waivers to all sorts of businesses (who just happened to be Democratic party donators) so they won't have to bother buying any Obamacare insurance for their employees. The kinds of companies that will also only pay very, very low wages. That creates an unfair playing field for the non-waivered businesses who will then not be able to compete. That, in essence, is another form of Fascism.
Then you have all of the brown shirts in our own brand of uniforms not only demanding your papers but irradiating us at dangerous levels and groping us all over the place. It's not just at the airports, it's coming to a train, mall and venue near you! That's another aspect of Fascism.
Look at all of those 'No Travel' lists. They refuse to tell you how you get on one, who is on them and you can NEVER be removed! That's right out of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia!
Just look at all of the technology (cameras, phones, control grids, etc.) that tracks and spies on us!
War. Wtf? Obama, the underserved winner of the Nobel Peace Prize (what a freaking farce!) has started 3 wars already and ready to start one now with Pakistan. Isn't it Neo-Cons who tend to get the exclusive blame for such war mongering?
Az was right. Obama is NOT a liberal... in any sense or minutia of the word.
Just because they don't call it Fascism doesn't mean that it's not Fascism.
Right now, we are closer to a VNV Nation form of Fascism which was a softer, less abrasive form, but Fascism none the less. Depending on the people and how much we let them get away with, it could easily slide deep into hardcore nasty Fascism as what Nazi Germany was.
When this was written, it was geared towards George Bush but Georgie Boy just passed the nightstick over to the new Thug in Power, Obama:
Fascist America, in 10 easy steps (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment)
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Bad analogy.
It actually takes quite a bit of specialized training and skill to be an emergency room doctor.
To be a politician, it just takes having an opinion, being able to shake hands like an asshole, and being able to raise large sums of money. Most people are capable of the first two.
You've got that right!!!
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What three wars has Obama started? Was I too busy buying beer and missed something?
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What three wars has Obama started? Was I too busy buying beer and missed something?
Oh, geesh! Never mind Rhett. Just go mow your lawn. ::)
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What three wars has Obama started? Was I too busy buying beer and missed something?
James, if this thread has taught us anything, it is that the more rational the question, the more mind-meltingly asinine Jaguar's answer will be. So keep it up, big shooter.
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Huh...i thought it taught us that no matter how scary lizard men controlling us from the shadows like puppets may be, I'm still more afraid of muslims.
What three wars has Obama started? Was I too busy buying beer and missed something?
James, if this thread has taught us anything, it is that the more rational the question, the more mind-meltingly asinine Jaguar's answer will be. So keep it up, big shooter.
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no, thats what the lizard people want the sheeple to think
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What three wars has Obama started? Was I too busy buying beer and missed something?
James, if this thread has taught us anything, it is that the more rational the question, the more mind-meltingly asinine Jaguar's answer will be. So keep it up, big shooter.
Relaxer, I'm sorry that your brain has turned to mush so badly that you can't tell what's up, down, sideways, inside out or what. Maybe one day you'll pull your head out from the deep dark crevices of your asshole and see what all is going on around you. Hope for your sake that it's not too late by then.
Time for a music break!
CLUTCH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53qeiAVjHQU)
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Has there ever been a conspiracy nut that makes more than $6,000 per year? Just curious.
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if this thread has taght us anything, it's that the Free Thinkers cannot change the minds of the sheeple.
and that those based in reality can't change the minds of the conspiracy crazies.
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Not likely. If you make more than that your mind has been bought by your employer who is part of the system.
Has there ever been a conspiracy nut that makes more than $6,000 per year? Just curious.
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Has there ever been a conspiracy nut that makes more than $6,000 per year? Just curious.
Not that I know what anyone here makes but I would bet that the entire Ziplock Gang each make more than that and they all are 100% convinced and brainwashed by the biggest conspiracy theories of all!
If we have learned anything, Ziplock makes the strongest and tightest bags of all!
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Has there ever been a conspiracy nut that makes more than $6,000 per year? Just curious.
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jag, care to explain the "ziplock gang" metaphor/analogy/symbolism/etc? i imagine it's based upon "minds being shut in tight", but i'm not sure. never heard it before this thread.
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jag, care to explain the "ziplock gang" metaphor/analogy/symbolism/etc? i imagine it's based upon "minds being shut in tight", but i'm not sure. never heard it before this thread.
http://www.myspace.com/383385105
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jag, care to explain the "ziplock gang" metaphor/analogy/symbolism/etc? i imagine it's based upon "minds being shut in tight", but i'm not sure. never heard it before this thread.
Sure. It's just a name I came up with for those with closed minds, just as you suspect. It's a reference to Ziplock bags, more or less, but in this case, minds being so tightly Ziplocked and insulated inside a plastic bag.
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But ziplocs open and close very easily.
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Wrong sediment.
She's talking about ziplock, not ziploc.
But ziplocs open and close very easily.
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But ziplocs open and close very easily.
Good point. But in your case, they are hermetically sealed shut, forever and ever.... unless you....
break on through (to the other side)! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogkoskneNII)
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SEDIMENT?!? Just got out of the latest installment of Madea?
Wrong sediment.
She's talking about ziplock, not ziploc.
But ziplocs open and close very easily.
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But ziplocs open and close very easily.
Good point. But in your case, they are hermetically sealed shut, forever and ever....
maybe you should upgrade that metaphor to FoodSaver Gang (http://www.foodsaver.com/Index.aspx). even they can be opened with scissors, but at least they're a little more permanent that ziplocks.
this symbolism isn't really working for me. how about the Concrete Sarcophagus Gang?
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Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy...voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."
Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?
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Well for one thing, Obama doesn't play hacky sack.
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Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy...voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."
Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?
You're getting nit-picky which does lead to a very accurate and detailed difference in the term. It also explains why so many people get so confused with the word.
I was taught that there are two types. Those from the John Locke school of thought which is the older Founding Fathers, truly 'liberal' form. You know, the pursuit of health, happiness and liberty providing it does not infringe on others.
Then it was 'adjusted' or 'expanded', let's say, to the John Stuart Mill form defined in your post above.
In some respects there are overlaps. In others, it places a Socialist expectation onto all regardless of choice. They both have their virtues and faults. The real problem sets in when any given person or group gets into power and exploits and/or abuses the system in some manner against the people. No such thing as a real utopia. No matter how much you try, it always ends up crumbling into a dystopia of some sort.
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HEY RELAXER....
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MKAY!!!
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I was taught that there are two types. Those from the John Locke school of thought which is the older Founding Fathers, truly 'liberal' form.
(http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/john-locke-300x200.jpg)
;D
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Granted, I should've said "left wing" instead of "liberal" because that was how he was described by a few resident conservatives before the thread fell off the cliff into reptilian abyss but:
He has never come out in support of full abortion rights ("late-term abortions");
He has never come out in support of full gay equality (marriage);
And his healthcare plan is a sham that makes the insurance companies even richer.
Not to mention his very un-left wing foreign policy up to now.
Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy...voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."
Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?
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Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material. But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right. Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.
In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him. Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones. Either that or it's another conspiracy.
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All completely true.
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Granted, I should've said "left wing" instead of "liberal" because that was how he was described by a few resident conservatives before the thread fell off the cliff into reptilian abyss but:
He has never come out in support of full abortion rights ("late-term abortions");
He has never come out in support of full gay equality (marriage);
And his healthcare plan is a sham that makes the insurance companies even richer.
Not to mention his very un-left wing foreign policy up to now.
Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy...voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."
Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?
Actually, he's not even liberal in the Modern sense of the word! He's not taking from the rich and redistributing to the poor. Instead, he's stealing from everyone and giving to the already ultra super rich! That is not 'Socialism' of any form. At best, that's Fascist corporate welfare!
Also, to support your claims, Az:
He has not legalized or decriminalized marijuana. If anything, he's sent his goon squad after the somewhat legalized merchants and such. (Those grey areas really need to straightened out.)
He claimed he would get rid of the oppressive Patriot Act. Not only did he NOT get rid of it, he signed on to extend it and added to it to make it worse!
More wars!
Pretty much nothing about BP and the Gulf oil spill. (Many, many years ago, I use to believe that 'liberals' were big on going after big corporations about such corporate abuse and environmental disasters and corporate abuses. Either I was wrong back then or something has changed.)
He keeps letting the big banksters and other very large corporations rob from their employees and others while filtering all the money to the top CEOs, embezzlement style. You know, the stuff the Neo-Cons are often accused of (and often rightfully so). (Again, see BP above.)
Ultimately, there's really no difference between he and Bush which is why I often refer to Obama as Bush v 2.1 on steroids. He's just rachetted up all this mess to a whole new level! They both dance under the strings of the same puppet masters so it all makes perfect sense.
They keep going after small farms, the organic food industry and Amish farmers. Some states have already tried to take steps to prevent us, or require us to obtain a license, to have our own gardens! Some use the excuse that it's to prevent us from growing marijuana. What a load of crap! See, it's really the government in lock step with Big Agra to both destroy the 'competition' and gradually prevent us from being self-sufficient. That too is an aspect of Fascism.
I miss the old 60s hippy mentality. The good aspects where they were against wars, true equal rights for all, were into good clean healthy food and living off the land, against bogus business practices and abuses and were not afraid to call out their own when they effed up. For the most part, today's faux liberals are nothing of the sort! Too invested in the party line to recognize the difference. Not all, of course, but way to many have hit the wrong Kool-Aid bin and have lost their minds.
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Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material. But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right. Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.
In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him. Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones.
Weird Doom. We're both actually in agreement here.
Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.
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Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material. But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right. Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.
In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him. Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones.
Weird Doom. We're both actually in agreement here.
Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.
This guy is kind of awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IJDQCYMM-A)
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Yeah, and look who's sitting next to him: Del. EH-N. She could learn a thing or two from him.
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This guy is kind of awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IJDQCYMM-A)
Heh heh... watching that guy banging the gavel reminds me of every student government asshole I can remember going all the way back to high school...
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Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material. But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right. Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.
In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him. Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones.
Weird Doom. We're both actually in agreement here.
Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.
This guy is kind of awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IJDQCYMM-A)
I don't think I've ever known of a person to fit their surname so perfectly.....
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Balls might be more fitting.
Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material. But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right. Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.
In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him. Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones.
Weird Doom. We're both actually in agreement here.
Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.
This guy is kind of awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IJDQCYMM-A)
I don't think I've ever known of a person to fit their surname so perfectly.....
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Also, is that bearman that stands up and leaves in front of Bass at 3:39?!?!?!
Balls might be more fitting.
Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material. But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right. Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.
In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him. Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones.
Weird Doom. We're both actually in agreement here.
Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.
This guy is kind of awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IJDQCYMM-A)
I don't think I've ever known of a person to fit their surname so perfectly.....
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Balls might be more fitting.
Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material. But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right. Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.
In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him. Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones.
Weird Doom. We're both actually in agreement here.
Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.
This guy is kind of awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IJDQCYMM-A)
I don't think I've ever known of a person to fit their surname so perfectly.....
....or GOBSHITE
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somebody please change the name of this thread to:
the real housewives of 930
all they do is bitch, do nothing about what they are bitching about besides more bitching, and wonder what event they will be attending next.
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Well for one thing, Obama doesn't play hacky sack.
you're telling me this guy didn't hack?
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/57291/original.jpg)
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Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.
who knows, you may yet get a chance:
Kucinich might move?to get re-elected
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/11/kucinich-might-move-to-get-re-elected/
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http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html
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If the Democratic Party were as pro-life and the Republican Party, they'd never lose an election.
Discuss.
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If the Democratic Party were as pro-life and the Republican Party, they'd never lose an election.
Discuss.
That's why they have to bring out the dead out on election day.
Don't know about other areas but its been proven and documented over and over again that Baltimore City always has a crap load of dead voters, especially from Greenmount Cemetery, voting Democratic on election days. Don't know how they keep getting away with it!
* Btw, before you gangsters continue to attack with made up shit attacks against the wall, though I'm not a Democrat (NOR a Republican), I am definitely pro-choice. I just can't stand voter fraud from any angle!
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http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html
Wrong thread, Kool-Aid zombie.
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If the Democratic Party were as pro-life and the Republican Party, they'd never lose an election.
i don't think so. a small portion of the republican base is single-issue voters on abortion, but i just don't think there enough people who think "if they just went pro-life, i'd switch". being pro-life, IMO, is part of a wider right-of-center worldview (includes being pro-religion, pro-military, anti-big-gov't, etc). as such, you can't cherry-pick one issue and ignore the wider context it's part of. my experience is that most anti-abortion types are opposed to the basic tenets of the Democrats. but i don't claim to have spent a lot of time with a lot of pro-lifers.
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http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html
Wrong thread, Kool-Aid zombie.
actually it's not. the most discussion we've had of bin laden has been in this thread. your lack of sense of humor might not have allowed you to appreciate this, but this article was a parody of obama's press conference announcing bin laden's death. t'was a bit of levity.
open you mind, jag!
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^ Missed the Bin Ladin reference. The article just didn't interest me enough to read that far. (Not a Star Wars fan.) Sorry about that.
In a bad mood from all the shit flinging and those choosing to ignore what I'm actually saying rather than checking out facts and documents for themselves. Especially the constant accusations of things that I clearly stated that I did not believe in. Only proves the accusers prefer to believe what they want to believe rather than what's been documented. You know that I have a great sense of humor but even that erodes after too much bullying.
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how are we supposed to get people to our side if you attack articles without reading them :(
youre letting the them win
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If the Democratic Party were as pro-life and the Republican Party, they'd never lose an election.
i don't think so. a small portion of the republican base is single-issue voters on abortion, but i just don't think there enough people who think "if they just went pro-life, i'd switch". being pro-life, IMO, is part of a wider right-of-center worldview (includes being pro-religion, pro-military, anti-big-gov't, etc). as such, you can't cherry-pick one issue and ignore the wider context it's part of. my experience is that most anti-abortion types are opposed to the basic tenets of the Democrats. but i don't claim to have spent a lot of time with a lot of pro-lifers.
That's a whole can of worms spread all over the place and I too don't know how they all wiggle their way around. What irks me is when people get so hung up on one issue that they quickly assume that one party has their vote for that one issue alone. That and that the issue obsessed tend to ignore all other issues from any given party or candidate (or even a specific bill, etc.) to the point of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
One example that also points out some major hypocrisy are those who solely vote for pro-life candidates on that issue and that issue alone without regard for them holistically. Sometimes, if that candidate is a Republican, that same pro-lifer is also big on war and the death penalty. On one hand they claim it's sinful to take a life but on the other are chomping at the bit to do just that.
But there are more issues than abortion. Maybe it's because I'm a very right brained person that I often tend to look at the big picture. You have to do so with politicians because none of them will ever truly represent all of your preferences regardless of how decent they may turn out to be. You really need to study the whole package or you end up with getting your way in one good issue but lose with a multitude of others.
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how are we supposed to get people to our side if you attack articles without reading them :(
youre letting the them win
Very true. But, at least I admitted so. ;)
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Liberals - kill babies because we don't like killing adults regardless of their crimes
Conservatives - don't kill babies so we can fry em when they grow up.
It's a funny old country eh???
:D
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In a bad mood from all the shit flinging and those choosing to ignore what I'm actually saying rather than checking out facts and documents for themselves. Especially the constant accusations of things that I clearly stated that I did not believe in. Only proves the accusers prefer to believe what they want to believe rather than what's been documented.
you see, i feel exactly the same way about everything you've posted: it's opinion and conjecture. you consider your sources solid and the "proofs" defensible - but every single one that i've google'd along with the words "argument against" resulted in more convincing information than your original argument/position/"proof". if i cared enough, i'd reply to every link you posted with five that debunk it... but i don't care enough because i know i won't convince you (any more than your information is going to convince me). and as your last post proved, it's not like you're reading what i post anyways ;D
if i "bully" you, it's in response to the (IMO baseless) high-and-mighty attitude you display at times. feel free to believe whatever you want, and share your beliefs, but don't insult me because i don't believe in highly debatable (if not flat-out disproven) fringe theories.
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And this is why I'll never believe anything you say about anything ever.
^ Not a Star Wars fan.
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What are the basic tenets of the Democrats?
Aren't they (supposed to be) the party of the common working man? If the two parties had no difference on abortion, you're telling me that most middle/lower class people wouldn't side with the Democrats (if they were truly adhering to Democrat tenets)? Read Thomas Frank's What's the Matter With Kansas for an interesting take on this.
Granted, this is an old news story, but do you think things have really changed that much?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/13786/abortion-issue-guides-one-five-voters.aspx
October 26, 2004
Abortion Issue Guides One in Five Votersby Lydia Saad, Senior Gallup Poll EditorAbortion, though not the most talked-about subject this presidential election, may be an important stealth issue that could impact the outcome in key states, or even nationally. Most Americans have moderate views on abortion and are focused on other concerns. But there is a segment of voters on either side of the abortion debate -- representing 19% of likely voters -- who claim that the issue completely directs which candidates they are willing to support. Maximizing turnout among these voters is certain to be an important part of both candidates' Election Day strategies.
"Pro-Life" Voters Have Electoral Edge
By a 52% to 41% margin, Americans are more likely to identify as "pro-choice" than as "pro-life," which would seem to bode well for Democratic candidate John Kerry's chances of capitalizing on the issue. However, pro-life voters may have the greater impact at the polls. The reason lies in their level of intensity.
A recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll* shows that self-identified pro-life Americans are nearly three times as likely as pro-choice Americans to describe themselves as single-issue voters on abortion. Thirty percent of pro-lifers say they will only vote for a candidate who shares their views on abortion. This contrasts with only 11% of pro-choicers who say they will only back candidates of a similar mind on abortion.
The net result is that 13% of all likely voters say they are pro-life and will only vote for a candidate who shares their views on abortion. Naturally, most of these (90%) are voting for George Bush. By contrast, only 6% of the electorate will vote strictly pro-choice, and virtually all of these people are voting for Kerry. The remaining voters are divided between those who say abortion will be one of many important issues they consider (48% of the voting public), and those who say abortion is not a major factor for them (32%).
These results are not unique to this election. Gallup found a similar pattern in 2000, and the national exit polling in every presidential election since 1984 has shown a net advantage to the pro-life side over the pro-choice side, based on the percentage of single-issue abortion voters in the electorate.
Bush Depends More on the Issue
The importance of the pro-life position to Bush's base of support this year is clear. Nearly a quarter of his voters (23%) are single-issue pro-life voters. Take them away and Bush's lead in the national horse race would disappear. Only 13% of Kerry's supporters are single-issue pro-choice voters. But in a close election, activating these votes could be important to his candidacy also.
If the Democratic Party were as pro-life and the Republican Party, they'd never lose an election.
i don't think so. a small portion of the republican base is single-issue voters on abortion, but i just don't think there enough people who think "if they just went pro-life, i'd switch". being pro-life, IMO, is part of a wider right-of-center worldview (includes being pro-religion, pro-military, anti-big-gov't, etc). as such, you can't cherry-pick one issue and ignore the wider context it's part of. my experience is that most anti-abortion types are opposed to the basic tenets of the Democrats. but i don't claim to have spent a lot of time with a lot of pro-lifers.
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I know the Kool-Aid Zombies won't bother to touch this (besides, NKOTB, it's NOT science-FICTION), but this guy has a nice list of factual documents and other sorts of archives supporting a lot of the stuff you guys are in total denial about. Much of it is in the government's own words! You can deny all you want but history, documents and the future outcomes will prove otherwise.
Enlighten your mind. (http://www.markdice.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60&Itemid=73)
More of their dirt (http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm)
The movie version - which is even better. (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ay56_operation-garden-plot-activated_webcam)
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Just a thought: You're not going to get much of a (positive) receptive reaction by referring to you audience as "Kool Aid Zombies" and the "Ziplock (sic) Gang".
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Just a thought: You're not going to get much of a (positive) receptive reaction by referring to you audience as "Kool Aid Zombies" and the "Ziplock (sic) Gang".
They're already a lost cause and some have even already, more of less, admitted so. It's more for others who may be interested. Besides, they have no problems insulting me so I'm just throwing a little bit of the shit back they are flinging my way.
How's the lawn? Maybe you'll want to try out a few other backyards. You know, just for varieties sake. Kind of like trying out a new beer. ;)
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Mark Dice is a media analyst, social critic, political activist, and author who, in an entertaining and educational way, gets people to question our celebrity obsessed culture, and the role the mainstream media plays in shaping our lives.
I like how this appeared on a page with 16 pictures of himself. And the page with vanity pics of him with such talents as Danny Bonaduce and Neil Strauss was a winner too.
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Mark Dice is a media analyst, social critic, political activist, and author who, in an entertaining and educational way, gets people to question our celebrity obsessed culture, and the role the mainstream media plays in shaping our lives.
I like how this appeared on a page with 16 pictures of himself. And the page with vanity pics of him with such talents as Danny Bonaduce and Neil Strauss was a winner too.
Score one for Relaxer! BUT.... stop trying to kill the messenger. The truth is in the documents.
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In a bad mood from all the shit flinging and those choosing to ignore what I'm actually saying rather than checking out facts and documents for themselves. Especially the constant accusations of things that I clearly stated that I did not believe in. Only proves the accusers prefer to believe what they want to believe rather than what's been documented.
you see, i feel exactly the same way about everything you've posted: it's opinion and conjecture. you consider your sources solid and the "proofs" defensible - but every single one that i've google'd along with the words "argument against" resulted in more convincing information than your original argument/position/"proof". if i cared enough, i'd reply to every link you posted with five that debunk it... but i don't care enough because i know i won't convince you (any more than your information is going to convince me). and as your last post proved, it's not like you're reading what i post anyways ;D
if i "bully" you, it's in response to the (IMO baseless) high-and-mighty attitude you display at times. feel free to believe whatever you want, and share your beliefs, but don't insult me because i don't believe in highly debatable (if not flat-out disproven) fringe theories.
Say what you want about Jags opinions and postings but she is most certainly not 'high and mighty' or insulting. She's educated with strong opinions and has no problems posting her opinions for all to see. I just with politicians could be as honest.
I've never met you personally Sweetcell, and it's probably just your writing style, but your comments almost always come over as insulting and 'high and mighty'.
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In a bad mood from all the shit flinging and those choosing to ignore what I'm actually saying rather than checking out facts and documents for themselves. Especially the constant accusations of things that I clearly stated that I did not believe in. Only proves the accusers prefer to believe what they want to believe rather than what's been documented.
you see, i feel exactly the same way about everything you've posted: it's opinion and conjecture. you consider your sources solid and the "proofs" defensible - but every single one that i've google'd along with the words "argument against" resulted in more convincing information than your original argument/position/"proof". if i cared enough, i'd reply to every link you posted with five that debunk it... but i don't care enough because i know i won't convince you (any more than your information is going to convince me). and as your last post proved, it's not like you're reading what i post anyways ;D
if i "bully" you, it's in response to the (IMO baseless) high-and-mighty attitude you display at times. feel free to believe whatever you want, and share your beliefs, but don't insult me because i don't believe in highly debatable (if not flat-out disproven) fringe theories.
Say what you want about Jags opinions and postings but she is most certainly not 'high and mighty' or insulting. She's educated with strong opinions and has no problems posting her opinions for all to see. I just with politicians could be as honest.
I've never met you personally Sweetcell, and it's probably just your writing style, but your comments almost always come over as insulting and 'high and mighty'.
i.e. "I agree with her"
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In a bad mood from all the shit flinging and those choosing to ignore what I'm actually saying rather than checking out facts and documents for themselves. Especially the constant accusations of things that I clearly stated that I did not believe in. Only proves the accusers prefer to believe what they want to believe rather than what's been documented.
you see, i feel exactly the same way about everything you've posted: it's opinion and conjecture. you consider your sources solid and the "proofs" defensible - but every single one that i've google'd along with the words "argument against" resulted in more convincing information than your original argument/position/"proof". if i cared enough, i'd reply to every link you posted with five that debunk it... but i don't care enough because i know i won't convince you (any more than your information is going to convince me). and as your last post proved, it's not like you're reading what i post anyways ;D
if i "bully" you, it's in response to the (IMO baseless) high-and-mighty attitude you display at times. feel free to believe whatever you want, and share your beliefs, but don't insult me because i don't believe in highly debatable (if not flat-out disproven) fringe theories.
Say what you want about Jags opinions and postings but she is most certainly not 'high and mighty' or insulting. She's educated with strong opinions and has no problems posting her opinions for all to see. I just with politicians could be as honest.
I've never met you personally Sweetcell, and it's probably just your writing style, but your comments almost always come over as insulting and 'high and mighty'.
(http://www.saltydogpublishing.com/images_cards/misc/Life_Saver_Thanks_xlarge.jpg)
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In a bad mood from all the shit flinging and those choosing to ignore what I'm actually saying rather than checking out facts and documents for themselves. Especially the constant accusations of things that I clearly stated that I did not believe in. Only proves the accusers prefer to believe what they want to believe rather than what's been documented.
you see, i feel exactly the same way about everything you've posted: it's opinion and conjecture. you consider your sources solid and the "proofs" defensible - but every single one that i've google'd along with the words "argument against" resulted in more convincing information than your original argument/position/"proof". if i cared enough, i'd reply to every link you posted with five that debunk it... but i don't care enough because i know i won't convince you (any more than your information is going to convince me). and as your last post proved, it's not like you're reading what i post anyways ;D
if i "bully" you, it's in response to the (IMO baseless) high-and-mighty attitude you display at times. feel free to believe whatever you want, and share your beliefs, but don't insult me because i don't believe in highly debatable (if not flat-out disproven) fringe theories.
Say what you want about Jags opinions and postings but she is most certainly not 'high and mighty' or insulting. She's educated with strong opinions and has no problems posting her opinions for all to see. I just with politicians could be as honest.
I've never met you personally Sweetcell, and it's probably just your writing style, but your comments almost always come over as insulting and 'high and mighty'.
i.e. "I agree with her"
What would ever cause you to come to that conclusion from what I posted? You are the poster child for a progressive liberal. You like to tell people what THEY are thinking because you have no real thoughts of your own.... ::)
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^ That comes under 'throwing shit against the wall hoping something will stick because they have no real proof otherwise'. Same shit some insist on throwing at me even when proven otherwise. It just makes them 'feel good' about themselves.
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What would ever cause you to come to that conclusion from what I posted? You are the poster child for a progressive liberal. You like to tell people what THEY are thinking because you have no real thoughts of your own.... ::)
I tell them what they're thinking with my mind so that they will think they thought of it when its really what I think except I have no thoughts so now I don't know what to think can you please tell me thanks I love you!
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^ Dude, lay off the drugs. :-\
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What would ever cause you to come to that conclusion from what I posted? You are the poster child for a progressive liberal. You like to tell people what THEY are thinking because you have no real thoughts of your own.... ::)
I tell them what they're thinking with my mind so that they will think they thought of it when its really what I think except I have no thoughts so now I don't know what to think can you please tell me thanks I love you!
So your mind told me to think you're a douche???
Now you need to think 'that Gallagher is a right prick'
I love you more....
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TIME OUT
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(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/19/128846229154995642.jpg)
grenade!
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^ Typical! Always pull the race card when you have nothing else better to contribute even though there is not one iota of hint of race having anything whatsoever to do with any of this!
The real irony here is that the guys that you are defending are the very ones who are doing everything they can to limit and destroy free speech!
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Yes, race is certainly the point of that image. And red-on-white-sign violence as well.
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If you read the whole post you'd see that I covered both points. ::)
.... and the third, well, totally suits the Kool-Aid zombie ziplocked minds.
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I'm just surprised the race card wasn't pulled much sooner actually.
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congrats, you've both missed the point. well done, but not surprising.
y'all got so lit up by the sign in the image that you couldn't read what is written below? any chance that that text has everything to do with this thread vs. the racism part which doesn't, as jag correctly noted?
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the lizard overlords would not approve of the image
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congrats, you've both missed the point. well done, but not surprising.
y'all got so lit up by the sign in the image that you couldn't read what is written below? any chance that that text has everything to do with this thread vs. the racism part which doesn't, as jag correctly noted?
BACK PEDAL FAIL!!!
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congrats, you've both missed the point. well done, but not surprising.
y'all got so lit up by the sign in the image that you couldn't read what is written below? any chance that that text has everything to do with this thread vs. the racism part which doesn't, as jag correctly noted?
There you go again! You know what they say about 'assumptions'.
We fully understood it but we also understood the secondary implications which are clearly stated.
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the lizard overlords would not approve of the image
Well lizards are unable to see the color red, so they'd look at that image, be confused, and say "Why are those people carrying around blank signs?" and then Jaguar and Frank would stampede in here saying "Don't be cruel to animals!"
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^ Guys, according to the lizard lore, you guys are their minions. Not Frank and I. Get it straight! So it's you guys who wouldn't be able to see the signs in full human color spectrum. ::)
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cmon we're never going to win like that
it would be everyone's overlords that couldnt see red
all of the minons would be able to, sheeple or not
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cmon we're never going to win like that
it would be everyone's overlords that couldnt see red
all of the minons would be able to, sheeple or not
You're right!
You know, I wasn't happy with using the word minions but was stuck for what I thought would be better. Then I come in here and see you refine my thoughts to the tee! You MUST be on our side! It's not Relaxer who can read minds. It's YOU!!!
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an honest question for jag - do you bring this type of stuff up in casual conversations IRL? what kind of responses do you get?
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the lizard overlords would not approve of the image
Well lizards are unable to see the color red, so they'd look at that image, be confused, and say "Why are those people carrying around blank signs?" and then Jaguar and Frank would stampede in here saying "Don't be cruel to animals!"
There he goes again telling us what we'd think!!!!
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Aren't they (supposed to be) the party of the common working man? If the two parties had no difference on abortion, you're telling me that most middle/lower class people wouldn't side with the Democrats (if they were truly adhering to Democrat tenets)?
That is correct. Why? Because many of the middle class think that someday they will either become rich enough or marry rich enough where they will become upper middle class and that their current middle class status is only temporary and thus it is in their best interests to ensure the continual redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the super rich and to oppress the middle and working class at every opportunity.
Plus they hate minorities.
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Do you have factual evidence to back up your arguments?
Aren't they (supposed to be) the party of the common working man? If the two parties had no difference on abortion, you're telling me that most middle/lower class people wouldn't side with the Democrats (if they were truly adhering to Democrat tenets)?
That is correct. Why? Because many of the middle class think that someday they will either become rich enough or marry rich enough where they will become upper middle class and that their current middle class status is only temporary and thus it is in their best interests to ensure the continual redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the super rich and to oppress the middle and working class at every opportunity.
Plus they hate minorities.
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Do you have factual evidence to back up your arguments?
Aren't they (supposed to be) the party of the common working man? If the two parties had no difference on abortion, you're telling me that most middle/lower class people wouldn't side with the Democrats (if they were truly adhering to Democrat tenets)?
That is correct. Why? Because many of the middle class think that someday they will either become rich enough or marry rich enough where they will become upper middle class and that their current middle class status is only temporary and thus it is in their best interests to ensure the continual redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the super rich and to oppress the middle and working class at every opportunity.
Plus they hate minorities.
I don't have any actual numbers and don't care enough to look some up, but this comes up almost every time the bush tax cuts are mentioned and someone does a poll. The polling results often find voters in lower class supporting and voting for tax cuts for the rich, and the news usually show a clip of some guy saying "yeah, because someday it may apply to me."
It happens, and makes no sense to me. As far as what percentage of people vote in this manner for this reason, I have no idea and don't think those statistics exist.
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Look...if the rich are taxed too much they'll cut back or open up offshore accounts and your wives won't have a job cleaning their toilets anymore.
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It happens, but in what numbers?
Typical of the liberal elitist media to trot out some dumb confused yahoo and proclaim that he speaks for all working folks.
Do you have factual evidence to back up your arguments?
Aren't they (supposed to be) the party of the common working man? If the two parties had no difference on abortion, you're telling me that most middle/lower class people wouldn't side with the Democrats (if they were truly adhering to Democrat tenets)?
That is correct. Why? Because many of the middle class think that someday they will either become rich enough or marry rich enough where they will become upper middle class and that their current middle class status is only temporary and thus it is in their best interests to ensure the continual redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the super rich and to oppress the middle and working class at every opportunity.
Plus they hate minorities.
I don't have any actual numbers and don't care enough to look some up, but this comes up almost every time the bush tax cuts are mentioned and someone does a poll. The polling results often find voters in lower class supporting and voting for tax cuts for the rich, and the news usually show a clip of some guy saying "yeah, because someday it may apply to me."
It happens, and makes no sense to me. As far as what percentage of people vote in this manner for this reason, I have no idea and don't think those statistics exist.
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an honest question for jag - do you bring this type of stuff up in casual conversations IRL? what kind of responses do you get?
Occasionally. Most agree, and that's with a very mixed group of people across all sorts of demographics.
This past week has been especially odd. All sorts of people whom I did not know but was already speaking with were randomly bringing up many of these very subjects on their own. Even the guy at the check out in the grocery store yesterday. Believe me, they initiated these aspects of our conversations, not me, but they sure seemed in agreement with me on many of these issues.
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very telling this thread started when president obama captured and killed osama bin laden
some people are just poor excuses for americans
and jag, just cause you find a lot of americans are uneducated ignoramuses dont validate the idiotic ramblings of loons; remember these same peeps thought the pres was born in kenya!
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^ You don't get out of DC much, do you? That would explain why you 'expect' all bands to come and play for you as though the rest of the world does not exist.
Most of these people were educated, professionals and/or well informed.
If you really want to see what an ignoramus looks like, just look in the mirror!
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^ You don't get out of DC much, do you? That would explain why you 'expect' all bands to come and play for you as though the rest of the world does not exist.
Most of these people were educated, professionals and/or well informed.
If you really want to see what an ignoramus looks like, just look in the mirror!
sure mac
one cant win with your type
if one` says he has a masters from georgetown, worked at the world bank for many years and has been to dozens of countries then one is an elitist...
you're a complete ass and a poor excuse for an american
btw nice use of computer fuckfaces mischaracterization of what i said...if the market exists in dc for bands why should these bands be kept out of dc? if you like to drive an hour thats your prerogative.. i guess i am weird in that i like bands to play my town
bottom line: obama got osama and all your innane ramblings aint going to change that
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@ Hutch: Bottom line: Regardless of whether it's about politics or music, you have proven over and over again that you are an arrogant prick! Period. Maybe you've seen other countries but it's obvious that you have no clue what is going on in the rest of this country, especially the average American non-2 tiered town - which is most of the country. No clue nor do you freaking care as long as any given band makes sure they make a stop to play within a 10 minute commute from Hutch's home. Yeah, right. (Sarcasm ->) Yeah, you're really in touch with the rest of the country. ::)
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@ Hutch: Bottom line: Regardless of whether it's about politics or music, you have proven over and over again that you are an arrogant prick! Period. Maybe you've seen other countries but it's obvious that you have no clue what is going on in the rest of this country, especially the average American non-2 tiered town - which is most of the country. No clue nor do you freaking care as long as any given band makes sure they make a stop to play within a 10 minute commute from Hutch's home. Yeah, right. (Sarcasm ->) Yeah, you're really in touch with the rest of the country. ::)
i see.. and you're in touch with the 62% that didn't believe the president was born in america
shit mac if thats being in touch i prefer to be out of touch
you can make up as many conspiracy theories as you want but in the end thats all they are...if you got some evidence contact the fbi or something otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP
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very telling this thread started when president obama captured and killed osama bin laden
No, it started when I started it after Obama released his "long-form" birth certificate.
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very telling this thread started when president obama captured and killed osama bin laden
No, it started when I started it after Obama released his "long-form" birth certificate.
great! even worse! obama releases his certificate WHICH HE HAD NO REASON TO EVEN DO then captures osama and we get 19 pages of loony comments
gtfo!
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well, get in your kicks now before this thread is magically deleted
by the lizard people, likely
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well, get in your kicks now before this thread is magically deleted
by the lizard people, likely
OK, so when are you pussies gonna play MD in bball again? Answer now!
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like i fucking know?
gary williams has refused to play anywhere but comcast center as the start of a 2-for-1 series, and i understand that he'll still be pulling strings behind the scenes, so who knows
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As usual, Hutch isn't even worth responding to anymore. All he's doing is throwing unfounded shit against the wall with no support whatsoever including accusations of things that weren't even mentioned or totally disputed over and over again. Typical Hutch! All salacious insults and attacks with no substance. Besides, it's all about him and we all well know that the world, according to Hutch, evolves around Hutch.
For those wise enough to, at very least, question:
Published in 2009 (http://www.amazon.com/Osama-Bin-Laden-Dead-Alive/dp/1566567831/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)
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As usual, Hutch isn't even worth responding to anymore. All he's doing is throwing unfounded shit against the wall with no support whatsoever including accusations of things that weren't even mentioned or totally disputed over and over again. Typical Hutch! All salacious insults and attacks with no substance. Besides, it's all about him and we all well know that the world, according to Hutch, evolves around Hutch.
For those wise enough to, at very least, question:
Published in 2009 (http://www.amazon.com/Osama-Bin-Laden-Dead-Alive/dp/1566567831/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)
hey i dont claim the world revolves around me, you do! The one throwin' around unfounded stuff is YOU.
bottom line: you're full of it..you are a conspiracy nutjob.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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^ You're a gullible vicious sheep who buys whatever the controlled mainstream media mouthpieces what you to believe. Also, you have serious anger control management issues.
Something's a little fishy and it's not Osama's dumped body. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6a8TMHXppk&feature=fvst)
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^ You're gullible
One of the (few) interesting things about 9/11 deniers and other conspiracy nuts is that they imagine themselves as uniquely non-gullible, when in fact they are the most gullible among us. It's a bit like the way white supremacists tend to be drawn from humanity's least supreme,
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we're like neo in the matrix
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we're like neo in the matrix
you mean we all can't act?
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the lizard people want you to think that
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like i fucking know?
gary williams has refused to play anywhere but comcast center as the start of a 2-for-1 series, and i understand that he'll still be pulling strings behind the scenes, so who knows
You're kidding me, right? I don't have a dog in this fight, other than to benefit the city as a whole (I'm a GW fan), but to assume that Gary is going to be pulling strings in retirement is just absurd. The new coach at MD is a pretty damn successful coach in his own right, not some Ivy League hack hired through nepotism. Gary is going to be playing golf and LOTS OF IT. His son is not coach at MD and Gary is not going to be hosting a local radio show. Hmm, who does this sound like? Hoya fan should look in the mirror.
There is one and one reason alone that Georgetown and MD have not played a local game since 1993: Thompson Sr. is still calling the shots on the Hilltop and STILL doesn't believe his son has anything to gain by scheduling a game with MD. PERIOD. See his embarrassing rant on his radio show last week after hearing Kevin Anderson go public about trying to schedule a game with Gtown.
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what i really want to know is what are maryland fans going to say when turgeon starts doing the things that saint gary wouldnt do. like recruit through aau programs
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what i really want to know is what are maryland fans going to say when turgeon starts doing the things that saint gary wouldnt do. like recruit through aau programs
They'll get drunk, riot, and burn couches.
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what i really want to know is what are maryland fans going to say when turgeon starts doing the things that saint gary wouldnt do. like recruit through aau programs
You know damn well that Kevin Anderson had one specific question for prospective hires: ARE YOU WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO WIN?
I.E.
IT'S TIME TO CHEAT, BABY! WE'RE GONNA WIN!
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haha
yeah that's exactly what i'm saying
maryland fans bought that they didnt really want to win and it didnt count when anyone won for so long though
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I was joking with a friend of mine that we need to become shady AAU coaches/agents because there's a potential gravy train about to start in College Park that will need our fingers in the till.
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very telling this thread started when president obama captured and killed osama bin laden
Wait....Obama killed Bin Liner??? Those fucking navy seals take credit for everything don't they?
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What this thread needs now is lots of animated gigs, Time to hit Tumblr!
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very telling this thread started when president obama captured and killed osama bin laden
Wait....Obama killed Bin Liner??? Those fucking navy seals take credit for everything don't they?
oh wait president obama wasnt the commander in chief (since you are a clueless brit: boss of seals)?
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now you know why we left england. and their music sucks too.
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now you know why we left england. and their music sucks too.
This guy doesn't agree with you ;D
(http://c.morrissey-solo.com/gallery/files/1/2011_uk_tour_ad.jpg)
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If Obama was there he would've been the idiot who crashed the chopper.
Don't even go there with the music comment....that's a battle the USA will never win. (not unlike Vietnam actually, because the Brits weren't there to bale your sorry arses out)
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that's a battle the USA will never win. (not unlike Vietnam actually, because the Brits weren't there to bale your sorry arses out)
You're welcome again for WWII.
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that's a battle the USA will never win. (not unlike Vietnam actually, because the Brits weren't there to bale your sorry arses out)
You're welcome again for WWII.
You mean thank you for only getting involved AFTER JAPAN TURNED PEARL HARBOR INTO A CONSTRUCTIONS SITE? Thank you....thanks a lot. Up until then yanks had their fingers in their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!
Germany beat themselves by fighting on too many fronts at the same time.
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If Obama was there he would've been the idiot who crashed the chopper.
fantasyland gallagher
when children study american history not too long from now president obama will be the one who got osama...that is the fact and all your clueless bullshit and all of jaguars conspiracy theories aint going to change that
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that's a battle the USA will never win. (not unlike Vietnam actually, because the Brits weren't there to bale your sorry arses out)
You're welcome again for WWII.
You mean thank you for only getting involved AFTER JAPAN TURNED PEARL HARBOR INTO A CONSTRUCTIONS SITE? Thank you....thanks a lot. Up until then yanks had their fingers in their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!
Germany beat themselves by fighting on too many fronts at the same time.
can we deport this clown?
i mean really are you friggin serious?
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You mean thank you for only getting involved AFTER JAPAN TURNED PEARL HARBOR INTO A CONSTRUCTIONS SITE? Thank you....thanks a lot. Up until then yanks had their fingers in their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!
Germany beat themselves by fighting on too many fronts at the same time.
First off, you're not playing the proper card. If you're a true crazy, then shouldn't you be denying the existence of World War II.
Second, it's not my fault that Churchill's argument's weren't compelling enough to get us in earlier. And truthfully, London could use a makeover at the time.
And thirdly, I would never deport Mankie. If you don't know he's taking the piss in 90% of his posts then the jokes on you.
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that's a battle the USA will never win. (not unlike Vietnam actually, because the Brits weren't there to bale your sorry arses out)
You're welcome again for WWII.
You mean thank you for only getting involved AFTER JAPAN TURNED PEARL HARBOR INTO A CONSTRUCTIONS SITE? Thank you....thanks a lot. Up until then yanks had their fingers in their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!
Germany beat themselves by fighting on too many fronts at the same time.
can we deport this clown?
i mean really are you friggin serious?
In the years leading up to WW2, Americans favored a position of isolationism. Surrounded by water on a relatively peaceful continent, America felt secure at home. In trading weapons, America used a Cash and Carry system wherein countries wishing to buy military goods while at war would have to pay up front and carry the goods away in non-American ships, thus avoiding the problems that caused US involvement in WW1.
When Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, Franklin Roosevelt asked Congress to pass the Neutrality Act of 1939, which would allow only cash and carry trade with the belligerents. However, after his 3rd term election in 1940, FDR proposed giving the British aid for the war without cash in return (the Lend-Lease Act) and supplying Britain with $7 billion in aid, stating that America was an "arsenal of democracy." This signaled the beginning of America choosing sides.
However, it was not until the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 killed 2400 American soldiers that America joined the war effort. America was involved on many fronts of the war. In the Battle of the Atlantic, American ships armed with SONAR took on German ships with torpedoes and suffered tremendous losses, losing 500 ships between January and August of 1942. American infantrymen were first involved in fighting in North Africa, the force later moved up to Italy, forcing a surrender in June of 1944.
Meanwhile, the Soviet Union was the only power consistently challenging the Nazis. Stalin had asked on several occasions for a second front to be opened up, in Western Europe but htere had never been enough manpower. By early 1944 Dwight Eisenhower (commander of the Allied Forces and soon to be president) was planning to invade France by sea. D-Day (June 6, 1944) signaled the beginning of the end for the Nazis and by August Paris had been liberated by combined American and British forces. Americans continued to march through Europe, liberating towns and cities and soon made it to Germany where they were horrified to find the concentration camps that served as integral parts to Hitler's "Jewish Problem".
Even once the war in Europe had been completed with the unconditional surrender of Germany in May 1945, Americans still had to deal with the war in the Pacific. Japan had not surrendered and had no intention of doing so. By 1944 the war had turned against the Japanese and the American technique of island hopping, while sustaining huge losses for the US, was succeeding. America's controversial decision to drop the Atomic Bomb finally ended the war in the Pacific in August, 1945.
No need to apologize...just read a history book...
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the u.s. entered wwii right when the lizard people wanted us to
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You mean thank you for only getting involved AFTER JAPAN TURNED PEARL HARBOR INTO A CONSTRUCTIONS SITE? Thank you....thanks a lot. Up until then yanks had their fingers in their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!
Germany beat themselves by fighting on too many fronts at the same time.
First off, you're not playing the proper card. If you're a true crazy, then shouldn't you be denying the existence of World War II.
Second, it's not my fault that Churchill's argument's weren't compelling enough to get us in earlier. And truthfully, London could use a makeover at the time.
And thirdly, I would never deport Mankie. If you don't know he's taking the piss in 90% of his posts then the jokes on you.
Besides, I'm as Murrcan as apple pie so aint' goin nowhere...y'all!!!!
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right o gallagher...the US had nothing to do with the defeat of Germany...give me a break
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that's a battle the USA will never win. (not unlike Vietnam actually, because the Brits weren't there to bale your sorry arses out)
You're welcome again for WWII.
You mean thank you for only getting involved AFTER JAPAN TURNED PEARL HARBOR INTO A CONSTRUCTIONS SITE? Thank you....thanks a lot. Up until then yanks had their fingers in their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!
Germany beat themselves by fighting on too many fronts at the same time.
can we deport this clown?
i mean really are you friggin serious?
words words words
No need to apologize...just read a history book...
So to summarize, America didn't enter WWII until it had a good reason to. Quelle horreur!
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i remember reading in churchill's diary "so i turned to fdr and said 'dear sir let us handle the european theater as we have them where we want them...you can concentrate on the pacific'"
where that only true some relatives of mine might still be alive.
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that's a battle the USA will never win. (not unlike Vietnam actually, because the Brits weren't there to bale your sorry arses out)
You're welcome again for WWII.
You mean thank you for only getting involved AFTER JAPAN TURNED PEARL HARBOR INTO A CONSTRUCTIONS SITE? Thank you....thanks a lot. Up until then yanks had their fingers in their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!
Germany beat themselves by fighting on too many fronts at the same time.
can we deport this clown?
i mean really are you friggin serious?
words words words
No need to apologize...just read a history book...
So to summarize, America didn't enter WWII until it had a good reason to. Quelle horreur!
And rightly so for an isolationist country...but don't be under the false pretence that we called for the cavalry and you all came galloping in on your white horses and shining armour. Nobody buys that shit except for Americans..
Shame America doesn't enter conflicts without good reason these days huh?
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i remember reading in churchill's diary "so i turned to fdr and said 'dear sir let us handle the european theater as we have them where we want them...you can concentrate on the pacific'"
where that only true some relatives of mine might still be alive.
...and if you lot had shown up sooner my local fish and chip shop might still be there. What's your point?
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Are there any good fish and chips places in DC?? Love me some fish and chips ;D
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i remember reading in churchill's diary "so i turned to fdr and said 'dear sir let us handle the european theater as we have them where we want them...you can concentrate on the pacific'"
where that only true some relatives of mine might still be alive.
...and if you lot had shown up sooner my local fish and chip shop might still be there. What's your point?
my point ingrate is that were it not for the US you'd be speaking german..
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i remember reading in churchill's diary "so i turned to fdr and said 'dear sir let us handle the european theater as we have them where we want them...you can concentrate on the pacific'"
where that only true some relatives of mine might still be alive.
...and if you lot had shown up sooner my local fish and chip shop might still be there. What's your point?
my point ingrate is that were it not for the US you'd be speaking german..
あなたは琉球を話すだろう
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Well it's about time we had an interesting thread.
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Are there any good fish and chips places in DC?? Love me some fish and chips ;D
Unfortunately Americans have not quite figured out the art of fish and chips...or beer.
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BTW...thanks for saving us during the Battle of Britain in the Autumn of 1940 when the Luftwaffe was soundly and convincingly beaten....oh wait..you didn't get involved till Dec 1941.
Never mind....
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BTW...thanks for saving us during the Battle of Britain in the Autumn of 1940 when the Luftwaffe was soundly and convincingly beaten....oh wait..you didn't get involved till Dec 1941.
Never mind....
you need to learn how to read.. i don recall saying the US won every battle for England but to say that without the US England would have beaten the nazis is poppycock...
its also disingenuous to wholly discount all the aid England was receiving prior to US joining war
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あなたは琉球を話すだろう
How many Japanese soldiers did British soldiers kill?
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england was desperate! even sending people like somerset maugham to the US to try to rally US public opinion
this is documented fact!
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We won the only battle that mattered:
(http://www.rantaboutfootball.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Robert-Green-howler.jpg)
No wait, this one:
(http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/25/10/41/25104165.jpg)
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あなたは琉球を話すだろう
How many Japanese soldiers did British soldiers kill?
British forces consistently played a secondary but significant role to American forces in the strangling of Japan's trade. The earliest successes were gained by mine laying. The Japanese minesweeping capability was never great, and when confronted with new types of mines they did not adapt quickly. Japanese shipping was driven from the Burmese coast using this type of warfare.
British submarines also operated against Japanese shipping, although later in the war. They were based in Ceylon, Fremantle, Western Australia and finally the Philippines. A major success was the sinking of several Japanese cruisers.
Dunno....ships crew of a Japanese cruiser X several...
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We won the only battle that mattered:
(http://www.rantaboutfootball.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Robert-Green-howler.jpg)
No wait, this one:
(http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/25/10/41/25104165.jpg)
both the work of lizard overlords
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British forces consistently played a secondary but significant role to American forces in the strangling of Japan's trade. The earliest successes were gained by mine laying. The Japanese minesweeping capability was never great, and when confronted with new types of mines they did not adapt quickly. Japanese shipping was driven from the Burmese coast using this type of warfare.
British submarines also operated against Japanese shipping, although later in the war. They were based in Ceylon, Fremantle, Western Australia and finally the Philippines. A major success was the sinking of several Japanese cruisers.
Dunno....ships crew of a Japanese cruiser X several...
Navy guys, especially British one's, aren't really soldiers.
So, zero?
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We won the only battle that mattered:
No wait, this one:
(http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/25/10/41/25104165.jpg)
Ah yes....the war that was fought on the Yank side by French mercaneries supported by Spain, the Netherlands and France, and on the British side by Americans loyal to the crown and tens of thousands of black slaves who didn't want to be slaves in America anymore....again I ask, your point is exactly?
DUDE! What conflict has America won when going it alone...Vietn...oh wait, never mind.
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British forces consistently played a secondary but significant role to American forces in the strangling of Japan's trade. The earliest successes were gained by mine laying. The Japanese minesweeping capability was never great, and when confronted with new types of mines they did not adapt quickly. Japanese shipping was driven from the Burmese coast using this type of warfare.
British submarines also operated against Japanese shipping, although later in the war. They were based in Ceylon, Fremantle, Western Australia and finally the Philippines. A major success was the sinking of several Japanese cruisers.
Dunno....ships crew of a Japanese cruiser X several...
Navy guys, especially British one's, aren't really soldiers.
So, zero?
That's because they're SAILORS!!! DUH!
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so zero then
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england was desperate! even sending people like somerset maugham to the US to try to rally US public opinion
this is documented fact!
OKAY...FOR THE FUCKING RECORD IT'S BRITAIN...ENGLAND WAS NOT AT WAR WITH GERMANY. IT WAS FUCKING BRITAIN, WHICH CONSISTS OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND WALES AND NORTHERN IRELAND. FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD DON'T THEY EVEN TEACH YOU THAT IN SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY. Saying England was at war with Germany is like saying North Carolina invaded Iraq
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so zero then
So soldiers don't fly planes either so non-soldiers killed over 2400 yanks at Pearl Harbor...kind of embarrassing don't you think?
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no it would be embarrassing if soldiers flew planes rather than aviators
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england was desperate! even sending people like somerset maugham to the US to try to rally US public opinion
this is documented fact!
OKAY...FOR THE FUCKING RECORD IT'S BRITAIN...ENGLAND WAS NOT AT WAR WITH GERMANY. IT WAS FUCKING BRITAIN, WHICH CONSISTS OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND WALES AND NORTHERN IRELAND. FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD DON'T THEY EVEN TEACH YOU THAT IN SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY. Saying England was at war with Germany is like saying North Carolina invaded Iraq
england was desperate
way to avoid the point though..
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We won the only battle that mattered:
No wait, this one:
(http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/25/10/41/25104165.jpg)
Ah yes....the war that was fought on the Yank side by French mercaneries supported by Spain, the Netherlands and France, and on the British side by Americans loyal to the crown and tens of thousands of black slaves who didn't want to be slaves in America anymore....again I ask, your point is exactly?
DUDE! What conflict has America won when going it alone...Vietn...oh wait, never mind.
How could I forget to include the Hessians? Silly me.
So basically it was the French mercenaries supported by Spain, Netherlands and France at war with Americans loyal to the crown, slaves who were freed by the British and Germans, with the British navy happily bobbing about on the Atlantic shipping in your women on liberty boats to keep the crew from getting bored.
At least some things never change eh???
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We won the only battle that mattered:
No wait, this one:
(http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/25/10/41/25104165.jpg)
Ah yes....the war that was fought on the Yank side by French mercaneries supported by Spain, the Netherlands and France, and on the British side by Americans loyal to the crown and tens of thousands of black slaves who didn't want to be slaves in America anymore....again I ask, your point is exactly?
DUDE! What conflict has America won when going it alone...Vietn...oh wait, never mind.
How could I forget to include the Hessians? Silly me.
So basically it was the French mercenaries supported by Spain, Netherlands and France at war with Americans loyal to the crown, slaves who were freed by the British and Germans, with the British navy happily bobbing about on the Atlantic shipping in your women on liberty boats to keep the crew from getting bored.
At least some things never change eh???
right-o because england doesnt use ghurkas..gimme a break
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Saying England was at war with Germany is like saying North Carolina invaded Iraq
Wait.. are you saying that North Carolina is a country, or that England isn't? Because I don't think either is the case.
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This thread is getting even better.
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We won the only battle that mattered:
No wait, this one:
(http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/25/10/41/25104165.jpg)
Ah yes....the war that was fought on the Yank side by French mercaneries supported by Spain, the Netherlands and France, and on the British side by Americans loyal to the crown and tens of thousands of black slaves who didn't want to be slaves in America anymore....again I ask, your point is exactly?
DUDE! What conflict has America won when going it alone...Vietn...oh wait, never mind.
How could I forget to include the Hessians? Silly me.
So basically it was the French mercenaries supported by Spain, Netherlands and France at war with Americans loyal to the crown, slaves who were freed by the British and Germans, with the British navy happily bobbing about on the Atlantic shipping in your women on liberty boats to keep the crew from getting bored.
At least some things never change eh???
right-o because england doesnt use ghurkas..gimme a break
I'm pretty sure Britain didn't have Ghurkas in the Revolutinary war..
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Saying England was at war with Germany is like saying North Carolina invaded Iraq
Wait.. are you saying that North Carolina is a country, or that England isn't? Because I don't think either is the case.
Oh God...another one pipes in...
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We won the only battle that mattered:
No wait, this one:
(http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/25/10/41/25104165.jpg)
Ah yes....the war that was fought on the Yank side by French mercaneries supported by Spain, the Netherlands and France, and on the British side by Americans loyal to the crown and tens of thousands of black slaves who didn't want to be slaves in America anymore....again I ask, your point is exactly?
DUDE! What conflict has America won when going it alone...Vietn...oh wait, never mind.
How could I forget to include the Hessians? Silly me.
So basically it was the French mercenaries supported by Spain, Netherlands and France at war with Americans loyal to the crown, slaves who were freed by the British and Germans, with the British navy happily bobbing about on the Atlantic shipping in your women on liberty boats to keep the crew from getting bored.
At least some things never change eh???
right-o because england doesnt use ghurkas..gimme a break
I'm pretty sure Britain didn't have Ghurkas in the Revolutinary war..
I have no idea if ENGLAND used mercenaries back then but that they use them now there is no debate.
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Over the course of the war, Great Britain signed treaties with various German states, which supplied about 30,000 soldiers. Germans made up about one-third of the British troop strength in North America. Hesse-Kassel contributed more soldiers than any other state, and German soldiers became known as "Hessians" to the Americans. Revolutionary speakers called German soldiers "foreign mercenaries," and they are scorned as such in the Declaration of Independence. By 1779, the number of British and German troops stationed in North America was over 60,000, although these were spread from Canada to Florida.[17] About 10,000 Loyalist Americans under arms for the British are included in these figures.[18]
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this of course omits to mention malvinas..in any case england has a long history of using foreign mercenaries it pays to fight its wars:
History of Gurkhas
Gurkhas are the part of British army. ?Better to die than be a coward? is the motto of Nepalese Gurkha soldiers. They use to carry traditional weapon an 18 inch long curved knife known as kukri during battle. During past it was said that once a kukri was drawn out in battle it had to taste blood if not its owner had to cut himself before putting it to its sheath. Now the gurkhas say that it is used mainly for cooking.
Gurkhas have loyally fought for the British all over the world receiving 13 Victoria crosses between them. In the two world wars more than 200,000 fought and in the past 50 years they have served Hong Kong, Malaysia, Borneo, Cyprus, Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan. During the two world wars 43000 men lost their lives.
Four ethnic groups Gurungs and Magars from central Nepal and rais and Limbus from the east who live in the village of improvised hills farmers have always dominated the ranks. They also follow Nepalese customs and beliefs, brigades follows religious festivals such as Dashain, in which goats and buffalos are sacrificed. The numbers of gorkhali have been sharply reduced from World War II peak of 112,000 men now stands at about 3500.
The soldiers are still selected from young men living in the hills of Nepal with about 28000 youth tackling the selection procedure for just over 200 places each year. The selection of soldier process has been described as one of the toughest in the world and is fiercely contested. During selection process, young people have to run uphill for 40 minutes carrying a basket on their back, which is filled with rocks weighting 70IBS.
Historically Gurkhas who have served their time in the army for a maximum of 30 years and minimum of 15 years to secure a pension were discharged back to Nepal. All retired Gurkha won the right to live in Uk, following high profile campaign. Gurkha veterans have also continued to fight for the equal pension with the soldiers they have served alongside. In 2007 they won a partial victory when the pension rules were changed to give equal pension right with other service personnel in the UK.
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this of course omits to mention malvinas..in any case england has a long history of using foreign mercenaries it pays to fight its wars:
History of Gurkhas
Gurkhas are the part of British army. ?Better to die than be a coward? is the motto of Nepalese Gurkha soldiers. They use to carry traditional weapon an 18 inch long curved knife known as kukri during battle. During past it was said that once a kukri was drawn out in battle it had to taste blood if not its owner had to cut himself before putting it to its sheath. Now the gurkhas say that it is used mainly for cooking.
Gurkhas have loyally fought for the British all over the world receiving 13 Victoria crosses between them. In the two world wars more than 200,000 fought and in the past 50 years they have served Hong Kong, Malaysia, Borneo, Cyprus, Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan. During the two world wars 43000 men lost their lives.
Four ethnic groups Gurungs and Magars from central Nepal and rais and Limbus from the east who live in the village of improvised hills farmers have always dominated the ranks. They also follow Nepalese customs and beliefs, brigades follows religious festivals such as Dashain, in which goats and buffalos are sacrificed. The numbers of gorkhali have been sharply reduced from World War II peak of 112,000 men now stands at about 3500.
The soldiers are still selected from young men living in the hills of Nepal with about 28000 youth tackling the selection procedure for just over 200 places each year. The selection of soldier process has been described as one of the toughest in the world and is fiercely contested. During selection process, young people have to run uphill for 40 minutes carrying a basket on their back, which is filled with rocks weighting 70IBS.
Historically Gurkhas who have served their time in the army for a maximum of 30 years and minimum of 15 years to secure a pension were discharged back to Nepal. All retired Gurkha won the right to live in Uk, following high profile campaign. Gurkha veterans have also continued to fight for the equal pension with the soldiers they have served alongside. In 2007 they won a partial victory when the pension rules were changed to give equal pension right with other service personnel in the UK.
mer·ce·nar·y /ˈmɜrsəˌnɛri/ Show Spelled
[mur-suh-ner-ee] Show IPA
adjective, noun, plural -nar·ies.
?adjective
1. working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal.
aye aye aye....you really are a fucking moron aren't you. *hint* read the bits I put in bold for you...
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i bet frank has a nice thick, uncut cock. he sure has the balls.
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this of course omits to mention malvinas..in any case england has a long history of using foreign mercenaries it pays to fight its wars:
History of Gurkhas
Gurkhas are the part of British army. ?Better to die than be a coward? is the motto of Nepalese Gurkha soldiers. They use to carry traditional weapon an 18 inch long curved knife known as kukri during battle. During past it was said that once a kukri was drawn out in battle it had to taste blood if not its owner had to cut himself before putting it to its sheath. Now the gurkhas say that it is used mainly for cooking.
Gurkhas have loyally fought for the British all over the world receiving 13 Victoria crosses between them. In the two world wars more than 200,000 fought and in the past 50 years they have served Hong Kong, Malaysia, Borneo, Cyprus, Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan. During the two world wars 43000 men lost their lives.
Four ethnic groups Gurungs and Magars from central Nepal and rais and Limbus from the east who live in the village of improvised hills farmers have always dominated the ranks. They also follow Nepalese customs and beliefs, brigades follows religious festivals such as Dashain, in which goats and buffalos are sacrificed. The numbers of gorkhali have been sharply reduced from World War II peak of 112,000 men now stands at about 3500.
The soldiers are still selected from young men living in the hills of Nepal with about 28000 youth tackling the selection procedure for just over 200 places each year. The selection of soldier process has been described as one of the toughest in the world and is fiercely contested. During selection process, young people have to run uphill for 40 minutes carrying a basket on their back, which is filled with rocks weighting 70IBS.
Historically Gurkhas who have served their time in the army for a maximum of 30 years and minimum of 15 years to secure a pension were discharged back to Nepal. All retired Gurkha won the right to live in Uk, following high profile campaign. Gurkha veterans have also continued to fight for the equal pension with the soldiers they have served alongside. In 2007 they won a partial victory when the pension rules were changed to give equal pension right with other service personnel in the UK.
mer·ce·nar·y /ˈmɜrsəˌnɛri/ Show Spelled
[mur-suh-ner-ee] Show IPA
adjective, noun, plural -nar·ies.
?adjective
1. working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal.
aye aye aye....you really are a fucking moron aren't you. *hint* read the bits I put in bold for you...
they are mercenaries whether you like it or not... they `are not english or british.. they are hired guns
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I almost felt bad for the poor Argies while I was down in the Falklands. That wasn't even a contest was it? Poor fuckers had no chance and we didn't even get support from our great saviours in America. All that way and it was over before it got going really. The one thing we did learn from them though is do not make warship superstructure from aluminum. It burns nicely.
I could tell you some great stories about the Ghurkas down there...but it's too gruesome for you poor sensitive Americans.
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This is becoming a tl;dr thread.
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This is becoming a tl;dr thread.
that's just how the lizard people want it...
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I almost felt bad for the poor Argies while I was down in the Falklands. That wasn't even a contest was it? Poor fuckers had no chance and we didn't even get support from our great saviours in America. All that way and it was over before it got going really. The one thing we did learn from them though is do not make warship superstructure from aluminum. It burns nicely.
I could tell you some great stories about the Ghurkas down there...but it's too gruesome for you poor sensitive Americans.
cant argue that one
although the point about US aid IS debatable (Ascencion [sic] refueling,etc)..
I take it the sheffield was not made out of aluminum?
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I almost felt bad for the poor Argies while I was down in the Falklands. That wasn't even a contest was it? Poor fuckers had no chance and we didn't even get support from our great saviours in America. All that way and it was over before it got going really. The one thing we did learn from them though is do not make warship superstructure from aluminum. It burns nicely.
I could tell you some great stories about the Ghurkas down there...but it's too gruesome for you poor sensitive Americans.
cant argue that one
although the point about US aid IS debatable (Ascencion [sic] refueling,etc)..
I take it the sheffield was not made out of aluminum?
Nope..It was the Type 21 Frigates. HMS Ardent and Antelope in this case. Beautiful looking ships though.
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Guys guys guys.
Does any of this really matter. Haven't you seen the just announced thread?
Enrique Iglesias with Pitbull
That's what matters,
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I almost felt bad for the poor Argies while I was down in the Falklands. That wasn't even a contest was it? Poor fuckers had no chance and we didn't even get support from our great saviours in America. All that way and it was over before it got going really. The one thing we did learn from them though is do not make warship superstructure from aluminum. It burns nicely.
I could tell you some great stories about the Ghurkas down there...but it's too gruesome for you poor sensitive Americans.
cant argue that one
although the point about US aid IS debatable (Ascencion [sic] refueling,etc)..
I take it the sheffield was not made out of aluminum?
Nope..It was the Type 21 Frigates. HMS Ardent and Antelope in this case. Beautiful looking ships though.
interesting:
HMS Sheffield (D80) was the second Royal Navy ship to be named after the city of Sheffield in Yorkshire. She was a Type 42 Guided Missile Destroyer laid down by Vickers Shipbuilding and Engineering at Barrow-in-Furness on 15 January 1970, launched on 10 June 1971 and commissioned on 16 February 1975.
An explosion during construction killed two dockyard workers [1] and damaged a section of hull which was replaced, ironically, with a section from an identical ship, ARA Hercules, being built for the Argentine Navy.[2] The ship was part of the Task Force sent to the Falkland Islands during the Falklands War. She was struck by an Exocet air-launched anti-ship missile from a Super Etendard aircraft belonging to the Argentine Navy on 4 May 1982 and foundered on 10 May 1982.
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enrique iglesias!
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And the General Belgrano used to be the USS Phoenix so we sunk an American ship....SEE! America was involved in the Falklands conflict after all.
Ah, I love a happy ending...
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And the General Belgrano used to be the USS Phoenix so we sunk an American ship....SEE! America was involved in the Falklands conflict after all.
Ah, I love a happy ending...
i think i'm not going to take the bait...
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Just got back from lunch. Did I miss anything?
Is Jag denying the American Revolution yet?
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Just got back from lunch. Did I miss anything?
Is Jag denying the American Revolution yet?
well i found i agreed with gallagher on something..
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Just got back from lunch. Did I miss anything?
Is Jag denying the American Revolution yet?
Going from comments on this thread....it's still going on!
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well i found i agreed with gallagher on something..
See? I knew this thread could be saved after all.
(sorry Kosmo - friday boredoms)
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Argentina won the only war it mattered
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV-1rjJUKDE
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Now were talking
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whoo hoo ;D
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^ You're gullible
One of the (few) interesting things about 9/11 deniers and other conspiracy nuts is that they imagine themselves as uniquely non-gullible, when in fact they are the most gullible among us. It's a bit like the way white supremacists tend to be drawn from humanity's least supreme,
TOTALLY disagree with you but you know that. The big difference is that we bother to take the time to research the facts based on science instead of buying the government's lie based on propaganda for the purpose of going into Iraq, and now other nations, and war mongering. That and as an excuse to bring the police state down on us. There is so much evidence of this around with tons of documentation but that apparently means nothing to those who refuse to open their eyes to those who can't handle the fact that various factions within our very own government have infiltrated and turned against it's own people while also destroying those from other countries in the process. But we've been through this and quite frankly, it's worn out and getting boring.
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If Obama was there he would've been the idiot who crashed the chopper.
fantasyland gallagher
when children study american history not too long from now president obama will be the one who got osama...that is the fact and all your clueless bullshit and all of jaguars conspiracy theories aint going to change that
You don't even want a clue and wouldn't recognize one if you stumbled over it! Plenty documented and well supported ones all over the place but I know they just get in the way of your simple little self-centered closed mind.
What really irritates me the most is not that you, or any of the others disagree with me, but that certain people here who disagree refuse to debate CIVILLY. They, including you Hutch, have CONSISTENTLY STARTED the ATTACKS and RUDELY worded accusations against me. Especially you Hutch, the rudest and most abusive of all!!! That is totally uncalled for and a complete abuse of this forum and far from the first time that you've shown us your intolerance towards anyone or any issue that you just happen to not agree with or aren't pleased about like bands not stopping in DC. You have an EXTREMELY FOUL TEMPER and a narcissistic personality.
Just go look through the history of this thread and you will see that it was those who do not agree who were always the ones to START any uncalled for ignorant and sometimes very nasty replies. I've mostly kept an even temper unless pushed after awhile and have even joked around about some of the very things some of you insist on accusing me of believing in regardless of how many times I've proven otherwise. Apparently, some of you are from the Goebles school of propaganda.
It's specific members who have consistently chosen to take to out of place name calling and abuse rather than civil debate with the very worst and most unacceptable being Hutch. Nothing new as he's been that way with others here many times in the past. No civilized social skills whatsoever! In fact, I ask the moderators to please keep an eye on him, as noted, this is not the first time he's been extremely abusive towards others on this board. His extreme disrespect and abuse is totally unacceptable and nothing but sheer uncalled for abuse. Nothing to support his side and definitely nothing whatsoever representing a civilized debate. When he doesn't agree, he just abusively tears apart those he does not agree with with violent verbal attacks. (Yes, that is clinically considered a form of violence by the psychiatric community.) Bet he kicks his dog and beats his wife and kids too.
There's a big difference between a heated debate, as some of us have had, and uncivilized salacious verbal abuse and Hutch fits the latter, especially his comments from the other day. Only shows what a low character and disturbed mind he has. Does not play nice with others. Can't be trusted with scissors. Cannot be trusted around those whom he does not agree with for fear of violent outbursts. Must be supervised for the safety of others in his environment.
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If Obama was there he would've been the idiot who crashed the chopper.
fantasyland gallagher
when children study american history not too long from now president obama will be the one who got osama...that is the fact and all your clueless bullshit and all of jaguars conspiracy theories aint going to change that
You don't even want a clue and wouldn't recognize one if you stumbled over it! Plenty documented and well supported ones all over the place but I know they just get in the way of your simple little self-centered closed mind.
What really irritates me the most is not that you, or any of the others disagree with me, but that certain people here who disagree refuse to debate CIVILLY. They, including you Hutch, have CONSISTENTLY STARTED the ATTACKS and RUDELY worded accusations against me. Especially you Hutch, the rudest and most abusive of all!!! That is totally uncalled for and a complete abuse of this forum and far from the first time that you've shown us your intolerance towards anyone or any issue that you just happen to not agree with or aren't pleased about like bands not stopping in DC. You have an EXTREMELY FOUL TEMPER and a narcissistic personality.
Just go look through the history of this thread and you will see that it was those who do not agree who were always the ones to START any uncalled for ignorant and sometimes very nasty replies. I've mostly kept an even temper unless pushed after awhile and have even joked around about some of the very things some of you insist on accusing me of believing in regardless of how many times I've proven otherwise. Apparently, some of you are from the Goebles school of propaganda.
It's specific members who have consistently chosen to take to out of place name calling and abuse rather than civil debate with the very worst and most unacceptable being Hutch. Nothing new as he's been that way with others here many times in the past. No civilized social skills whatsoever! In fact, I ask the moderators to please keep an eye on him, as noted, this is not the first time he's been extremely abusive towards others on this board. His extreme disrespect and abuse is totally unacceptable and nothing but sheer uncalled for abuse. Nothing to support his side and definitely nothing whatsoever representing a civilized debate. When he doesn't agree, he just abusively tears apart those he does not agree with with violent verbal attacks. (Yes, that is clinically considered a form of violence by the psychiatric community.) Bet he kicks his dog and beats his wife and kids too.
There's a big difference between a heated debate, as some of us have had, and uncivilized salacious verbal abuse and Hutch fits the latter, especially his comments from the other day. Only shows what a low character and disturbed mind he has. Does not play nice with others. Can't be trusted with scissors. Cannot be trusted around those whom he does not agree with for fear of violent outbursts. Must be supervised for the safety of others in his environment.
honestly dont know what i did to you to deserve this type of post which is WAY out of line...
and i dont think all your insults of me are the civil discussion you claim..
for the record i held back for 17 pages while you espouse what i believe are drvel and lies but there is a limit
but for you to practically write an esay attacking me personally and calling me every name in the book is unacceptable...i mean in this essay you are responding to a four word statement on my part dismissing your conspiracy theories? really?
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At 24 pages I believe this topic has run it's course. Since it's Sat and I just got Lego Pirates of the Caribbean to play on a rain day, it's time for a cease fire and a thread closure.
wml7 your task should you accept is to great an AWESOME animated gif's thread. And while i was typing this up - I see your ninja skills are finely tuned ;D