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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: K8teebug on June 15, 2012, 11:21:13 am
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5 Straight.
12 runs last night.
Love still living in this Orioles wormhole of good baseball.
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hell yeah....sweep!
I will just be happy if they finish above .500
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ummm... 930 is in DC. We're Nats fans here!
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It's a natural thing
;D
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Some of us 930 fans are from Baltimore.
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Others live in DC and have been baseball fans for more than 7 years and fewer than 41.
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I am an Orioles fan
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I am an Orioles fan
Lame
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The Braves hadn't been shut out in consecutive games since June, 1999. Go O's.
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I am an Orioles fan
Lame
been one for a long long time
there weren't other options when I started
made a lot of friends there, and it's still the best ballpark anywhere to actually go see a game, enjoy good food, and be comfortable
and I've been to a LOT of other stadiums, including all of the classics
so tell me what's lame about that
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I am an Orioles fan
Lame
been one for a long long time
there weren't other options when I started
made a lot of friends there, and it's still the best ballpark anywhere to actually go see a game, enjoy good food, and be comfortable
and I've been to a LOT of other stadiums, including all of the classics
so tell me what's lame about that
Nothing. Camden Yards is home.
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yes, it is great...and I love the fact that I can walk to the stadium. I really like the new rooftop centerfield bar.
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I am an Orioles fan
Lame
been one for a long long time
there weren't other options when I started
made a lot of friends there, and it's still the best ballpark anywhere to actually go see a game, enjoy good food, and be comfortable
and I've been to a LOT of other stadiums, including all of the classics
so tell me what's lame about that
Nothing. Camden Yards is home.
if you live 40 miles away in Baltimore..
This is typical DC.. in no other town in America would people not be expected to root for their team.. only in DC is it accepted that people root for anybody BUT the nats.. i have so many friends who have lived here 20 years and insist they are Yankees , Phillies, O's or whatever first...
Hey Jackie, you live in DC for 20 years how about you root for YOUR local team.
(none of this denies how awesome Camden Yards is..)
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there are plenty of people that live in baltimore area that don't cheer for the orioles. see: any yankees or red sox game
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True. Nice to see that more Orioles fans are going to the game now though, even if they are fair weather fans!
the new rooftop bar is really wonderful!
My husband and I bought tickets for all the Legends games this year. The Frank Robinson game was wonderful! Looking forward to Earl Weaver next weekend.
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I am an Orioles fan
Lame
been one for a long long time
there weren't other options when I started
made a lot of friends there, and it's still the best ballpark anywhere to actually go see a game, enjoy good food, and be comfortable
and I've been to a LOT of other stadiums, including all of the classics
so tell me what's lame about that
Nothing. Camden Yards is home.
if you live 40 miles away in Baltimore..
This is typical DC.. in no other town in America would people not be expected to root for their team.. only in DC is it accepted that people root for anybody BUT the nats.. i have so many friends who have lived here 20 years and insist they are Yankees , Phillies, O's or whatever first...
Hey Jackie, you live in DC for 20 years how about you root for YOUR local team.
(none of this denies how awesome Camden Yards is..)
I sincerely hate that, home is where the heart is, right? Home, sweet, home? Root, root, root for the home team? Home field advantage? It makes no sense to me how people can be born in DC and not root for the Nats or Skins, or Caps, or Wizards, or United. It's not blind homerism, but it is about rooting for the home team. I don't get how people can't wrap their heads around that notion and for some reason it seems like it IS only in DC/around the DC metro area.
Thinking about heading up to Camden to the Nats/O's series this week!
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I never said I didn't root for the Nats
they are my other team
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Ewwwwww.
Go O's.
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I also root for the Nationals when they're not playing the Orioles. I support all local teams! But, I grew up in Baltimore, and also with the Orioles. The Orioles trump all other sports teams for me.
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I never said I didn't root for the Nats
they are my other team
Oh no no, I didn't mean I didn't understand why YOU didn't, I don't hold anything against people who are O's fans at all, except that they're O's fans hahaha but I understand wanting to root for a team and DC not having one for years. It's like Ravens fans not liking Redskins fans/Redskins, even though some of them DID root for the Redskins before the Ravens...
Another thing is I don't get how O's fans can shit on Nats fans for liking a "new" team, and yet the Ravens are totally OK because they've been around for over a decade... Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. I still love Baltimore as a city.
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I never rooted for the Redskins. When the Colts left Baltimore, football died in my family. We are all Ravens fans, but I don't have anything against Redskins fans. I don't understand the Ravens fans who hate the Redskins fans. Save that energy for the Steelers :)
I think, for Baltimore fans football-wise, we fought to get a team for so long (remember give baltimore the ball?) and when the Ravens finally came to town, it was exciting (even though we also took them from Cleveland)
BUT, I do think about the fact that Cleveland got to keep their team name, and their colors, and all their trophys. Johnny Unitas is in the Hall of Fame as an Indianapolis Colt because they took everything. (except the band uniforms).
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That's fine, I just don't get the people who are Ravens fans who make fun of or 'don't get' why people are Nats fans. It makes me feel like I'm being trolled. Also, wasn't the ownership of the O's one of the biggest opposers of bringing baseball to DC for years? Going to the Nats/O's series down here was obnoxious and I see no need for that, I'll go to the game at Camden and be civil, I just don't get why people come to DC and act out. Especially Phillies fans, but they're Phillies fans so I expect it.
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That's fine, I just don't get the people who are Ravens fans who make fun of or 'don't get' why people are Nats fans. It makes me feel like I'm being trolled. Also, wasn't the ownership of the O's one of the biggest opposers of bringing baseball to DC for years? Going to the Nats/O's series down here was obnoxious and I see no need for that, I'll go to the game at Camden and be civil, I just don't get why people come to DC and act out. Especially Phillies fans, but they're Phillies fans so I expect it.
Yes, Angelos cockblocked a dc team for years, with a lot of cooperation from Bud Selig.
IMO Angelos is an even worse owner than Daniel Snyder.
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Not only did the Orioles organization prevent DC from getting a team but I believe in the final agreement the Orioles got at least part of the Nats TV rights...
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That's fine, I just don't get the people who are Ravens fans who make fun of or 'don't get' why people are Nats fans. It makes me feel like I'm being trolled. Also, wasn't the ownership of the O's one of the biggest opposers of bringing baseball to DC for years? Going to the Nats/O's series down here was obnoxious and I see no need for that, I'll go to the game at Camden and be civil, I just don't get why people come to DC and act out. Especially Phillies fans, but they're Phillies fans so I expect it.
My husband and I went to the nats/O's game last year and sat in front of two of the most obnoxious Nats fans I've ever been around. That's all of baseball. I went in my Orioles gear to Fenway and didn't encounter a'holes like those two douchebags. And when we go to another team's house, we sit peacefully and clap for our team if they do something fun.
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Now can we please get back to talking about how fun the Orioles are to watch this year?
They lost last night to a great Mets pitcher and it was STILL a fun game to watch.
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Not only did the Orioles organization prevent DC from getting a team but I believe in the final agreement the Orioles got at least part of the Nats TV rights...
More than part of it. More like most of it. MLB gave Angelos a whopping 90% cut of MASN. The Nats stake in it grows 1% per year, and will cap at 33%. Now it's at 14% i think.
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I don't think you will find any O's fan that is also a Angelos fan.
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no.
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I don't think you will find any O's fan that is also a Angelos fan.
Of course not.. having said that it is the ORIOLES organization that shafted and continues to shaft the Nationals in this case taking our money for NOTHING. It is the ORIOLES organization that prevented DC from getting a team for YEARs so DC peeps had to get on 495 during frickin' rush hour to get to the ballgame.
As far as fans.. I think Orioles fans are close to the best there is although they were lame at the one Orioles-Nats game I saw here in DC..fortunately a Nats player hit a home run in extra innings to shut them up when they were woopin' it up as if they'd won the game (they were leading). I think it was Ronnie Belliard that hit the home run.
I have been to many games at Camden Yards and had many great times.. I love the place. Far better than Nats Stadium. I'm just not going to sit here and hold back on how much the Orioles are screwing the Nats and how there are far too many people in DC that say "Oh, the Nats are my 2nd team" as if that means anything! You live in a town for 20 years and can't get behind your local team because your grandaddy took you to a Yankee game when you were 7???
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I just really would like to talk about the Orioles. I am not on the Nationals thread talking crap about how you've only had a team for x number of years, blah blah blah. So, please get over it and let us talk baseball.
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If the Nationals are your team, please feel free to talk about how much you think the Orioles organization screwed over your team on the Nationals thread.
Thanks.
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I don't think you will find any O's fan that is also a Angelos fan.
Of course not.. having said that it is the ORIOLES organization that shafted and continues to shaft the Nationals in this case taking our money for NOTHING. It is the ORIOLES organization that prevented DC from getting a team for YEARs so DC peeps had to get on 495 during frickin' rush hour to get to the ballgame.
As far as fans.. I think Orioles fans are close to the best there is although they were lame at the one Orioles-Nats game I saw here in DC..fortunately a Nats player hit a home run in extra innings to shut them up when they were woopin' it up as if they'd won the game (they were leading). I think it was Ronnie Belliard that hit the home run.
I have been to many games at Camden Yards and had many great times.. I love the place. Far better than Nats Stadium. I'm just not going to sit here and hold back on how much the Orioles are screwing the Nats and how there are far too many people in DC that say "Oh, the Nats are my 2nd team" as if that means anything! You live in a town for 20 years and can't get behind your local team because your grandaddy took you to a Yankee game when you were 7???
Have you been following the story about the Nats TV rights? They're about to get a big payout that may actually be prefereable to owning 100% of their own RSN. So quit yer whining.
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as I said .. there should not be an Orioles thread on here at all.. the 930 Club is in DC.. this is Nats town..should we start a Braves thread too? Because Richmond is Braves country and plenty of people from Richmond come to DC to the 930!
I will continue talking about whatever I feel like until the administrators decide to ban me thank you very much. And if you don't like it too bad. I don't like having an Orioles thread on here either!
Moreover, I think there was plenty of Orioles content in my posts.. if you don't like it too bad..not sure what your problem is with the truth.. I did say I much prefer Camden Yards, had great time there, and that Orioles fans are pretty much the best.. what more do you want from me??? the reality is the Orioles screwed over DC big time and I ain't going to forget it.. and the reality is that people saying they are fans of another team first and the Nats second means they are not really fans at all.
Its awfully convenient for Orioles fans to celebrate their team for their wins and blame Angelos for every bad thing the Orioles have done or will do..
I'm sure the Orioles fans here are the ones foaming at the mouth that the Post gives me more coverage to the Nats.. well tough shit.. its DC.
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Well, I guess we should ban all discussion of out of town shows, merriweather shows, ottobar and sonar shows too. just asking for a little respect for those of us on here who are Orioles fans and want to talk baseball (much how there's also a soccer thread).
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there should not be an Orioles thread on here at all..
I will continue talking about whatever I feel like...And if you don't like it too bad.
Logic like this is why I have quickly come to find you one of the more "difficult" people on the board.
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Well, I guess we should ban all discussion of out of town shows, merriweather shows, ottobar and sonar shows too. just asking for a little respect for those of us on here who are Orioles fans and want to talk baseball (much how there's also a soccer thread).
I see..I'm sorry I disrespected you by calling Orioles fans among the best and praising their stadium.
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there should not be an Orioles thread on here at all..
I will continue talking about whatever I feel like...And if you don't like it too bad.
Logic like this is why I have quickly come to find you one of the more "difficult" people on the board.
There is nothing logical or illogical about my statements cited by you up above. They are just statements: 1. Should not be an Orioles thread. Its a statement of opinion. 2. I will talk about what I want. 3. If you don't like it too bad. These are just statements. You are free to disagree or dislike them but what IS illogical is for you to say the statements lack logic.
You talk a big game and run around here posting "Smackie right as usual" and sharing with us your riveting conversations with your brother in law but I've come to find you highly annoying with your know it all attitude.
Still waiting on your Tevez mea culpa but I'm guessing that won't be coming.. you only like to tell us you're right; at least have the decency to admit that once in a while, like most people, you're either wrong or full of shit.
Instead I'm pretty sure we'll get more crap about you made a killing betting on Team A or Team B or something else designed to try to convince us how clever you are.
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There is nothing logical or illogical about my statements cited by you up above. They are just statements: 1. Should not be an Orioles thread. Its a statement of opinion. 2. I will talk about what I want. 3. If you don't like it too bad. These are just statements. You are free to disagree or dislike them but what IS illogical is for you to say the statements lack logic.
What you said was that you were free to talk about what you'd like and others are not.
You don't have to be as brilliant as I am, and yes, I am truly brilliant, to know that if you don't want to talk about the Orioles, than don't click a thread titled, in all caps, which I can only assume was for emphasis, "ORIOLES"
That's sage advice that I won't even charge you for.
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Well, I am excited to see if Tommy Hunter can pitch well tonight against the Mets. I'm a little worried that batting against a knuckleballer last night threw off our batters' game.
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Back in March I went up to Boston for the weekend and was wearing my O's hat. I had so many people fist pump me, yell out 'Go O's' , and talk to me about the Orioles......it was completely unexpected. I guess people generally like the O's because they are one of the 'old' ball clubs. Also on that trip a Yankees fan came up to me in a bar and told me how much he liked the O's but how Peter Angelos was ruining the organization. Again, not a conversation I was expecting at all. This was before the season even started.
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2. I will talk about what I want. 3. If you don't like it too bad.
High irony from the guy who wants to delete the O's thread.
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This thread is miles better than the Nats thread.
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This thread is miles better than the Nats thread.
TAKE THAT TALK BACK TO BALTIMORE
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Back in March I went up to Boston for the weekend and was wearing my O's hat. I had so many people fist pump me, yell out 'Go O's' , and talk to me about the Orioles......it was completely unexpected. I guess people generally like the O's because they are one of the 'old' ball clubs. Also on that trip a Yankees fan came up to me in a bar and told me how much he liked the O's but how Peter Angelos was ruining the organization. Again, not a conversation I was expecting at all. This was before the season even started.
Orioles are cool..their history, or that of their namesake (it was a different franchise) pre-turn of 20th century, is really interesting.. the "Orioles" back then were the furthest thing possible from the "Oriole way". a bunch of wily cheats!
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In the words of the recently deceased Rodney King, can't we all just get along?
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In the words of the recently deceased Rodney King, can't we all just get along?
Hey, presumably we all love baseball.. I'm going to dig out my Frank Deford book with a lot about the early Orioles.. there's some great stuff in there..
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ouch O's shut out two games in a row, following two O's shutouts.
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Back in March I went up to Boston for the weekend and was wearing my O's hat. I had so many people fist pump me, yell out 'Go O's' , and talk to me about the Orioles......it was completely unexpected. I guess people generally like the O's because they are one of the 'old' ball clubs. Also on that trip a Yankees fan came up to me in a bar and told me how much he liked the O's but how Peter Angelos was ruining the organization. Again, not a conversation I was expecting at all. This was before the season even started.
The Boston fans in Boston were really nice to us when we were there a few years ago for the Orioles game. Same with Cubs fans! I have always gotten along with yankee fans too. It's the Boston fans who come to Camden who are mean (for the most part).
Tough loss again last night! Can't win them all, I suppose.
We're headed up to Cooperstown next week. Haven't been there since the hall of fame was an actual hall. Last time, all the plaques were on peg boards! (during the renovation in 1992/1993ish).
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as I said .. there should not be an Orioles thread on here at all.. the 930 Club is in DC.. this is Nats town..should we start a Braves thread too? Because Richmond is Braves country and plenty of people from Richmond come to DC to the 930!
Well if Seth wouldn't keep bands out of Baltimore with his monopoly on the area concert scene I would never come here and you wouldn't have us Baltimoreans on here talking about the Orioles. But if you dont' like the subject why open the thread? It's not like there are a million new threads on here every day.
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I don't think you will find any O's fan that is also a Angelos fan.
Of course not.. having said that it is the ORIOLES organization that shafted and continues to shaft the Nationals in this case taking our money for NOTHING. It is the ORIOLES organization that prevented DC from getting a team for YEARs so DC peeps had to get on 495 during frickin' rush hour to get to the ballgame.
Funny how are the Orioles taking the NATS money for nothing? Last year the Nats only averaged 26000 viewers per television broadcast on MASN. I believe that was the lowest viewership in the league. I think they were way overpaid for their rights.
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Let The Games Begin.
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it is going to be hot tonight! Hoping the storms stay away!
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Heading up around 3:30. Will have a good time regardless of the weather.
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btw tomorrow between 11am and 7pm there is a Baltimore vs DC Food Truck event at Westport (terrible location, but whatever)
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/06/22/a-taste-of-two-cities-sparks-a-food-truck-battle-between-d-c-and-baltimore/
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Well, I am excited to see if Tommy Hunter can pitch well tonight against the Mets. I'm a little worried that batting against a knuckleballer last night threw off our batters' game.
I thought this exact same thing. Looks like the bats still haven't recovered.
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With the offense sputtering and Arrieta on the mound, I don't have much confidence in a series win. Prove me wrong O's!
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The bats definitely have to wake up.
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how bout dem o's??
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You mean how about Wieters? Other than him, the O's did have a particularly good day.
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You mean Arrieta?
You mean how about Wieters? Other than him, the O's did have a particularly good day.
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You mean how about Wieters? Other than him, the O's did have a particularly good day.
Whatever, dude. 2 out of 3 in DC; 2 out of three in B-more. Game, set, match.
And yes, the O's did have a particularly good day.
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And yes, the O's did have a particularly good day.
They did? Specifics, please. Other than Wieters being clutch. Which I'm not negating.
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And yes, the O's did have a particularly good day.
They did? Specifics, please. Other than Wieters being clutch. Which I'm not negating.
What part of 'W' don't you understand?
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What part of 'W' don't you understand?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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It was a wonderful day at the ballpark
when we walked in, my son Joe remarked how he didn't hate Nats fans...that it was a friendly rivalry
I said it was like a gathering of all local baseball fans...we're all from around here, and we're all there on a Sunday to enjoy a beautiful day of baseball and good stadium food
and that's what happened
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The Mike Trout Show is in town for a few days. Enjoy.
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And with that, I'll stop taking notes, Rhett and let my team do my talking.
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last night, however...
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And with that, I'll stop taking notes, Rhett and let my team do my talking.
That punk can play.
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Yankeees 2012 payroll: 198 million
Angels 2012 payroll: 154 million
Orioles 2012 payroll: 81 million
Of course you get the team you paid for. But it's still fun to make fun of rich people/teams when they're struggling. Only a Republican could like those high payroll teams.
And with that, I'll stop taking notes, Rhett and let my team do my talking.
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Just wondering...is the owner still that ambulance chasing midget?
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The Mike Trout Show is in town for a few days. Enjoy.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social/Trout-color-catch.gif)
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Do me a favor and trade for Jim Thome so the Rangers don't. He's a huge upgrade over Nick Johnson.
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Do me a favor and trade for Jim Thome so the Rangers don't. He's a huge upgrade over Nick Johnson.
It happened. We'll see how that goes.
Went to Thursday and Saturday's games. Both losses! Oh well. Can't win them all!
It's those few weeks around the All Star game which makes us Orioles fans nervous...
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Time to stick a fork in the Birds. They're done.
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They're still in it...ish. Being outscored like 54-22 in the past 6 games definitely NOT a good thing.
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typical o's
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I'll give them a few bad weeks. But they are still in second place...
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Do me a favor and trade for Jim Thome so the Rangers don't. He's a huge upgrade over Nick Johnson.
It happened. We'll see how that goes.
Well, you gave up almost no one for him, so it's worth the chance. He's a great presence in the clubhouse and that could help during the slide.
Sadly, the O's rotation is coming back to earth, which was the weak spot of this team coming out of spring training.
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Next up - Tillman, Britton and whoever Duquette can trade for. Matusz is such a disappointment.
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He is. It's sad because he is really nice. But, nice does not throw strikes!
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Seems like the O's are better without B-Rob in the lineup.
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Agreed. I was not really in favor of him coming back.
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Mike Trout covered the box score the way Magic Johnson used to: two hits, two runs, two RBIs, two sacrifice flies, three stolen bases and a walk in five plate appearances.
From Elias: Since sacrifice flies became official in 1954, Trout is the first player to have that kind of line in a game.
From ESPN Stats & Info: Mike Trout has a .343 batting average, .551 slugging percentage, 10 home runs and 23 stolen bases through his first 60 games of the season. From Elias: In the modern era (since 1900), the only other player to hit those numbers in his first 60 games of a season was Rickey Henderson in 1985 -- .351 batting average, .552 slugging percentage, 10 home runs and 36 stolen bases.
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I went to bed with the O's up 4-1. Was pretty sure the O's would lose the game.
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Hey Debbie Downer - why don't you start following the Nats instead?
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I went to bed with the O's up 4-1. Was pretty sure the O's would lose the game.
Yep, the 2.5 months of the Angels dominant starting rotation has started to unravel a bit. Can't trust Haren, Santana or Richards right now. Not sure getting Jerome Williams is going to help that either. The good news is the offense is putting up some runs and can come back from any deficit.
Should be a scary squad if they can get the starters, bullpen and offense all working at the same time. Hasn't happened yet and they still 46-37.
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It must have been nice to see Jones out there between some real outfielders, eh? ;)
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Hadn't thought of that - but you're right!
Kakes will be back this week, tho.
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Duquette will be looking for a LF and a starter or two before the deadline.
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Who does he have to offer? Dontrelle Willis, Miguel Tejada, and a player to be named later?
Duquette will be looking for a LF and a starter or two before the deadline.
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One man's trash is another man's treasure.
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Duquette will be looking for a LF and a starter or two before the deadline.
It's going to be a little more difficult to get the higher talent now that the team doesn't get the supplemental draft pick if he walks in the off season. It's a huge gamble for the nonsellers this year...
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five in a row :)
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Can the O's move to the AL Central?
five in a row :)
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Duquette will be looking for a LF and a starter or two before the deadline.
It's going to be a little more difficult to get the higher talent now that the team doesn't get the supplemental draft pick if he walks in the off season. It's a huge gamble for the nonsellers this year...
Well if a team loses a top player this year they only get one pick as opposed to two in previous years. And I think they have to offer the player 13.5 million to even get the one pick. So some of the suckier teams could end up with nothing for their player. So if he is a pending free agent that they have no desire to sign there is no reason to not trade him.
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Well if a team loses a top player this year they only get one pick as opposed to two in previous years. And I think they have to offer the player 13.5 million to even get the one pick. So some of the suckier teams could end up with nothing for their player. So if he is a pending free agent that they have no desire to sign there is no reason to not trade him.
There's always risks/rewards on both sides, but with the Wild Card teams only guaranteed one game from here on out, and not necessarily a home game, I still think the risk is greater for the team that's trying to pick up the guy in the last few months of his contract this season.
We're certainly not going to see the top prospect type deal like we did last season (say, Zach Wheeler for Carlos Beltran) if the team that nabs the star player doesn't get the supplemental pick to replace the talent lost. It's just no longer worth it.
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Any thoughts on Cole Hamels? I don't think the Orioles have much of a chance, but a girl can dream.
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Any thoughts on Cole Hamels? I don't think the Orioles have much of a chance, but a girl can dream.
I would think the phillies pitching prospects back. Who do we have besides Bundy and Gausman (neither of whom will be traded)?
Schoop, Hoes, and Avery aren't going to get you Hammel.
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Any thoughts on Cole Hamels? I don't think the Orioles have much of a chance, but a girl can dream.
With Colby Lewis out for the season, I think the best hope for the AL West would be Hamel resigning with the Phils. I don't think the O's can put together a package that can compete with a Rangers package of Mike Olt or Martin Perez. If he doesn't take the Phillies deal in the next week, I'm pretty sure he'll be a Ranger this season and a Dodger next season.
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Me too. He's definitely going to the Rangers.
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Me too. He's definitely going to the Rangers.
Dodged that bullet.
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Great to see the Phillies are still all about spending themselves into mediocrity. $144 million for Hand Model Hamels? Hilarious.
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Great to see the Phillies are still all about spending themselves into mediocrity. $144 million for Hand Model Hamels? Hilarious.
$68 Million for three starting pitchers next year! Granted, they're Hamels, Halladay and Lee, but still. I'm thinking Lee gets dealt.
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Greinke to the Angels.
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Lewwwww!
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Two wins against the Yankees. I'll take that, thank you.
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4.5 and dropping....
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Assuming they hang on tonight, 1.5 ahead of Angels.
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4.5 and dropping....
5 wins in a row.
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Next rookie sensation...... Manny Machado.......??
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Assuming they hang on tonight, 1.5 ahead of Angels.
You never learn, do you?
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From Buster Olney's Blog today - lot's of love for the mid-Atlantic this week:
The Ripkens and the Tylers have been the lords of baseball in Baltimore for decades, and for those who are more familiar with Cal Sr. and Cal Jr. and Billy than the Tylers, a quick primer is in order. Ernie Tyler was in charge of the Orioles' clubhouse operations for years, before his sons Jimmy and Fred took over; this while Ernie ran the umpires' room, preparing baseballs and running them out to the home plate ump during games.
It has been their responsibility to prepare for and respond to every roster move the Orioles make, with the lockers and the jerseys and other equipment. So consider all the work that has entailed this crazy summer -- they deserve an extra month in their offseason.
The Orioles have been winning this year, and as they begin play today, they are 4.5 games out of first place. And because of injuries, matchups, roster advantages and disadvantages, extra innings and even Mother Nature, the team has made a staggering number of roster moves.
Orioles baseball information coordinator Jay Moskowitz and public relations director Monica Pence pinned down the exact number of club transactions since the day the Orioles' roster was set: As of 11 a.m. on Wednesday, it comes to 118 moves (including the four guys Baltimore placed on the DL to begin the season):
27: Players optioned to the minors
22: Players recalled
16: 15-day DL
13: Contract selection, from the minors
12: Players designated for assignment
9: Disabled list reinstatement
8: 60-day DL
3: Players lost to waivers
3: Players outright
3: Player acquired in trades
1: Waiver claim
1: Paternity list
But keeping track of the Orioles' transactions is a little bit like asking what time it is, because these numbers are forever changing. Ryan Flaherty was placed on the disabled list, and Manny Machado -- one of the game's top prospects -- was summoned from Double-A, to get a chance to be the Orioles' third baseman. Machado is expected to get his first start tonight against the Royals.
On Tuesday night, the Orioles played a 15-inning game, and in the midst of that, the decision was made to send Zach Britton to the minors. Before the game was over, Tommy Hunter -- who was scheduled to start the next day -- had to warm up in the bullpen, which meant that manager Buck Showalter needed a starting pitcher from the minors.
This type of thing has been going on day after day after day with the Orioles, and they have been finding a way to stay in the race. When Orioles GM Dan Duquette answered the phone Wednesday, I asked him the question everybody in baseball has been wondering: When are the Orioles going to collapse?
Duquette laughed; the joke was on me, for sure.
"We've been piecing it together," Duquette said on Wednesday morning. "I think it's important that you have your best team out there every night. ... The combinations that you can bring can you help win a ballgame.
"Buck knows how to get the matchups he wants out of the bullpen, and he knows how to get the most out of the guys in the field."
With all the different platoons and combinations he has been using, Showalter has made sure to keep one player who is good defensively in the mix at each position, an important element in the Orioles' play this year. The manager listed the group of players he might theoretically field in a given game: Matt Wieters, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis, J.J. Hardy, Robert Andino, etc. "That's pretty good defense," he said.
Showalter also ticked off a number of subtle additions Duquette and his staffers have made, like Miguel Gonzalez, a 28-year-old pitcher signed out of Mexico midway through spring training after being seen by international recruiting executive director Fred Ferreira. Gonzalez has helped prop up a rotation that has been hurt by injury, with six starts and nine appearances. Ten different pitchers have made starts for the Orioles this season; they've used 22 different pitchers.
Part of the reason why the Orioles have had success amid change, Showalter believes, is because of the culture of the clubhouse. "It's a very professional group," said Showalter. "It's very blue collar -- a lot like Baltimore. They really like each other. And they like to win."
Showalter told all the players brought to spring training that they would get an opportunity, no matter where they opened the year. It may have sounded like manager-speak, but the Orioles could not have stayed in the race without help from players who have climbed from almost all levels of the organization this year.
Manny Machado is only the latest. Somewhere, the Tylers are preparing his jersey for him this morning.
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Thanks for posting.
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Assuming they hang on tonight, 1.5 ahead of Angels.
You never learn, do you?
Eh, what does he know? He stuck a fork in them a month ago.
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I want to be excited for the Orioles the way I used to get excited when I met a new girl I liked. But I still feel like as soon as I get too attached to the Orioles, they're going to end up breaking my heart.
The Angels? They'll have about as much success as the Yankees. That is, less success than one would expect given how much they spend.
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The Angels? They'll have about as much success as the Yankees. That is, less success than one would expect given how much they spend.
If the bullpen doesn't start getting people out, success is not in the cards.
Score 70 runs on the ten game road and you lose six of them because the pen has four blown saves, five losses charged to relievers, a 10.54 ERA, 41 hits (including 11 home runs) and 10 walks in 27 1/3 innings.
That's not going to get it done. On the verge of a sweep and one game behind the Rangers and instead they are 1.5 out of the wild card. Downs and Walden had better come off the DL soon.
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Wonder how the Orioles scrapheap collection of relievers performed in the past 10 games?
The Angels? They'll have about as much success as the Yankees. That is, less success than one would expect given how much they spend.
If the bullpen doesn't start getting people out, success is not in the cards.
Score 70 runs on the ten game road and you lose six of them because the pen has four blown saves, five losses charged to relievers, a 10.54 ERA, 41 hits (including 11 home runs) and 10 walks in 27 1/3 innings.
That's not going to get it done. On the verge of a sweep and one game behind the Rangers and instead they are 1.5 out of the wild card. Downs and Walden had better come off the DL soon.
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Wonder how the Orioles scrapheap collection of relievers performed in the past 10 games?
Well enough, but it's your starters that make or break your chances, not your pen. Has been all season.
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The Orioles have surprised the heck out of all of us long time fans who haven't given up on the team. Everyone I've talked to is just enjoying the season for as long as it lasts. And, for me, that's lasted about 2 months longer than I thought it would, so I can't complain about anything!
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Another crazy stat - the Orioles have had 12 left fielders this year.
TWELVE.
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.....and most of them sucked. Imagine how good we'd be with a decent LF and 3B.
Chen was due for a bad night, I suppose. You know the white flag is up when Kevin Gregg gets the call.
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Imagine how good we'd be with a decent 3B.
Let's be honest. We haven't seen a decent enough sample size to see if Machado is as good as Mike Trout, but after last night it's clear he's way better than Bryce Harper.
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Let's be honest. We haven't seen a decent enough sample size to see if Machado is as good as Mike Trout, but after last night it's clear he's way better than Bryce Harper.
I was wondering how we'd be able to steer this conversation over to Mike Trout. Well done, sir.
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I was wondering how we'd be able to steer this conversation over to Mike Trout. Well done, sir.
Well, I was going to continue to post Buster's blog, but today's was all about Trout vs Cabrera for MVP and how Harper might not finish in the top 3 of the NL ROY voting, and since it's Friday, I decided I didn't want to get everybody upset with a legitimate source, so I opted for my own brand of hyperbole instead.
Thank you for noticing.
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Let's be honest. We haven't seen a decent enough sample size to see if Machado is as good as Mike Trout, but after last night it's clear he's way better than Bryce Harper.
Impossible to argue otherwise at this point. At least about Harper anyway.
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MANNY!
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Machado is a stud.
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I love that the same fan caught both home runs (his first two). How amazing was that?
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Assuming they hang on tonight, 1.5 ahead of Angels.
You never learn, do you?
12-17 since the break.
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O's: 35-39 since their hot start.
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12-17 since the break.
And 16-21 to start the season. And yet they're only 2 back. If anyone doesn't think the Angels are going to rattle off a couple 8-2 stretches in a row and be one of the wild card teams, let's put some money in a pay pal account.
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I am just happy they're still in the hunt in August.
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I am just happy they're still in the hunt in August.
As usual, you've got the proper attitude. What the O's, Pirates and A's are doing has been fun to watch.
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12-17 since the break.
And 16-21 to start the season. And yet they're only 2 back. If anyone doesn't think the Angels are going to rattle off a couple 8-2 stretches in a row and be one of the wild card teams, let's put some money in a pay pal account.
The world is a better place when big money teams fail.
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I am just happy they're still in the hunt in August.
As usual, you've got the proper attitude. What the O's, Pirates and A's are doing has been fun to watch.
So the 3 teams you mentioned should just be happy to be in the race while your Angels are predestined to win it? How condescending. I guess the Angels are now the Yankees of the West.
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I'm not alone in this line of thinking, and I'm certainly not saying this without a lot to back it up. I'm not just trying to piss off Orioles fans, because I rather like them.
This will come down to pitching, and neither the A's nor the Orioles have a single pitcher with 170-200 innings pitched in a single season (save for oft-injured Brandon McCarthy who did it only last year and has spent 2-months on the DL this year and Bartolo Colon who hasn't done it in 7 years). The longer the season goes, the more these tired arms are going to start showing kinks in the armor. Only a foolish man would bet against (LAA) Weaver, Wilson, Haren, Grienke or (TB) Price, Shields, Hellickson and Moore or (ChiW) Sale, Floyd, Liriano, Peavy or (Det) Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Porcello. The AL Wild Card Race is deep with strong arms....the question is who's the odd man out between the White Sox, Tigers, Angels or Rays? My hope is that the Central teams beat each other up and only one makes it.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how Oakland's staff or Baltimore's staff has the horses to go the last 45 games. Especially the Orioles - they're the only team in baseball with a +.500 record and a negative run differential, and it's not even close at -43. That stuff catches up to you eventually.
The NL race is a little different. The Pirates actually do have some arms with experience in Burnett, Coreia, Bedard and Rodriguez. Even Karstens and Macdonald have thrown 170 innings in a season. They just might not have the offense to contend with Atlanta or St Louis. The Giants pitching staff is coming around and Dodgers all of a sudden have some depth. I would love to see the Pirates break the drought, but I think Lincecum will save the Giants and the Cardinals and Braves battle it out for the second spot.
But hey, I've been wrong once. Ask hutch.
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You're not pissing me off by saying that. I think most of us Orioles fans, especially those of us who watch (almost) all the games have been wondering when this will end. But, it's not ending. They're scrappy. And Hamel is probably going to come back in a few weeks. We've got a great bullpen and we've got a manager who knows what he's doing. Plus, the Orioles have fight. They have scrappiness like I haven't seen since the late 90's.
As they said in 1989 - WHY NOT?
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At the Jane's Addiction show last night in bmore, Perry Farrell gave the Orioles a shoutout last night for doing well, heh
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How tired can the Orioles starters be? They're onto the second string at this point. And Hammel will be returning after a nice rest. I'd say it's the Nats who should be worrying about tired arms.
Baseball players these days are such pussies. Back in my day, they had four man rotations and the pitchers routinely threw 250+ innings. Now you have pitchers (Troy Patton, i'm looking at you) going on the DL for falling down in a fucking parking garage.
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-05-29/news/31890940_1_suitcase-injury-brewers-manager-ron-roenicke
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How tired can the Orioles starters be? They're onto the second string at this point.
It was even worse that when I was laying out the starting rotations, I couldn't name but 2 of Baltimore's current starters off the top of my head - and I watch a lot of baseball. Again, not a good sign down the stretch.
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This brings up interesting questions about teams down the stretch. Looking for workload stats by starting rotation (pitch count, innings pitched) but can't find anything.
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This brings up interesting questions about teams down the stretch. Looking for workload stats by starting rotation (pitch count, innings pitched) but can't find anything.
I use baseball-reference.com and total them up myself.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/
Then the team, then the year. Click on the individual's name to get a history of what they've done previously.
For example:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAA/2012-pitching.shtml
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... the Orioles - they're the only team in baseball with a +.500 record and a negative run differential, and it's not even close at -43. That stuff catches up to you eventually.
Run differential a flawed statistic (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120815&content_id=36711148&c_id=mlb)
The Red Sox were +41 going into last night's game.
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... the Orioles - they're the only team in baseball with a +.500 record and a negative run differential, and it's not even close at -43. That stuff catches up to you eventually.
Run differential a flawed statistic (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120815&content_id=36711148&c_id=mlb)
The Red Sox were +41 going into last night's game.
An interesting article and right here we have two really arguments against it. Are the O's really 11th best team in the AL and the Nats the best in baseball (before last nights game)? Probably not. However, every year, by the end of the year it's a stat that usually shakes out as an accurate predictor of playoff teams. Granted not perfect, but I'm certainly in the camp that looks at run differential instead of wins and losses up until the final few weeks of the season.
In the end, I think the O's will be a victim of their division like always; even in an off year the competition is just too good in the division and with the whole AL plodding along with the exception of the Yanks and Rangers, the Jays and Sox are clearly looking at that extra wild card this year and will up their game. I think the Rays/Jays/Sox/O's all play each other pretty hard here on out and none of them make it.
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Run differential a flawed statistic (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120815&content_id=36711148&c_id=mlb)
I wish people would stop stealing sh!t off our board.
But look, the guy gives one example in the last 5 years and says it's flawd (which is the correct spelling on this board). I will admit that it's not perfect, nothing ever is, but in the last 20 years it's held up pretty well.
I think the '05 Padres (who won their division with an 82-80 record) and the '97 Giants are the other exceptions to make the playoffs with a negative run differential since the Wild Card was added.
So 3 out of the 68 teams to make the playoffs since the Wild Card was introduced have had a negative RD (or less than 5%). All were from the NL where pitching rules over offense to a greater degree (even more interesting is that they were all from the NL West - I'll have to think about what that means), and 2 were swept in the NLDS, 1 was swept in the NLCS.
I don't think I'm going out on a limb here by saying that it doesn't look good for the O's given their pitching staff and that they're in the AL.
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I say never say never.
The stats are against the Orioles. negative run differential, 12 left fielders this season, the worst defense record in baseball.
But they're still winning games.
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but I think Lincecum will save the Giants
Melky just got banned 50 games. I'd like to revise this...
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Good commentary about stats and the Orioles
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/15/158749428/feeling-just-wild-about-wild-cards
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Finally, a useful stat:
Following last night's loss to the Orioles, the Red Sox are 0-13 on Ben Affleck's birthday since the release of Good Will Hunting in 1997.
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How about them apples?
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Last 3 road series:
@ Yankees - took 2 out of 3
@ Rays - took 2 out of 3
@ Tigers - took 2 out of 3
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How many will they take from Texas?
Last 3 road series:
@ Yankees - took 2 out of 3
@ Rays - took 2 out of 3
@ Tigers - took 2 out of 3
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Here's hoping for a sweep!
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Do the Angels have enough left in the tank to hold off the Mariners? After all, the Mariners have a respectable run differential of only -2.
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How many will they take from Texas?
We better get 2 - could not have hoped for a better draw against their starting rotation. Of course, they're probably saying the same thing about us.
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Here's hoping for a sweep!
Now you're getting greedy! ;D
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Haha.
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If it's close, they win.
One-run game? Orioles win.
Two-run game? Orioles win.
If it's close, they win, at a rate unheard of for more than half a century.
With their 7-5 win over the Tigers on Sunday, the Orioles improved to 66-55 overall. But they also improved to 42-18 in games decided by one or two runs.
Yes, 42-18. The Orioles have won 70 percent of their close games.
The last team to do that was the 1954 Indians(who won a lot of every kind of game, on the way to a 111-43 record).
The only other teams in modern baseball history to win 70 percent of games decided by one or two runs were the 1906 Cubs and the 1909 Pirates.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/19830446/if-it's-close,-the-orioles-win,-at-a-rate-that-is-making-history
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Do the Angels have enough left in the tank to hold off the Mariners? After all, the Mariners have a respectable run differential of only -2.
No. Fortunately for me I was travelling this weekend and didn't have to endure that live every day. Can't be sure how many things I would have broken in my place.
How much will the Halo's spend to buy Joe Maddon in the off season to make the playoffs next year? That's the only question that should be left to ask.
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This will come down to pitching, ...the A's....[don't] have a single pitcher with 170-200 innings pitched in a single season (save for Bartolo Colon who hasn't done it in 7 years).
This explains a lot.
Bartolo Colon suspended for 50 Games for positive test (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bartolo-colon-suspended-50-games-positive-test)
I think something new was also discovered so the time of testing has been altered. I believe Conte when he was talking about the new testosterone cream that was making its way that peaks four hours in and leaves your system 8 hours later. Harder to catch so the testing has changed and we're going to see more guys go down.
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This will come down to pitching, ...the A's....[don't] have a single pitcher with 170-200 innings pitched in a single season (save for Bartolo Colon who hasn't done it in 7 years).
This explains a lot.
Bartolo Colon suspended for 50 Games for positive test (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bartolo-colon-suspended-50-games-positive-test)
I think something new was also discovered so the time of testing has been altered. I believe Conte when he was talking about the new testosterone cream that was making its way that peaks four hours in and leaves your system 8 hours later. Harder to catch so the testing has changed and we're going to see more guys go down.
they're all doping.this is a losing battle.. let them dope and at least we know who is the best all things being equal.
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Beating Sale. 2 hits for the White Sox. Nice outing by Tillman. Let's keep it rolling.
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I went to the game on Monday. The excitement is palpable. Going to four games in September! Can't wait. Great game last night...
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I have 6 left including tonight. Not counting the playoffs, of course. ;D
I realize school's back in but when only 12K show up to see this team it's embarrassing.
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Thinking about going tonight. Would LOVE to go tomorrow but can't get out of work.
Big series in NY this weekend. When was the last time we has an important series in September?
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Agreed. I am hoping it's that school is back. People complaining on the blogs about how they don't go because it's expensive can shut up. They have 9 dollar seats once a week, 5 dollar seats for students, a free ticket on your birthday, and they had a few games this year for 4 bucks.
Plus, you can take in all your food and non-alcoholic beverages.
And their tickets are way cheaper than all the other stadiums I've been too, besides maybe Pittsburgh.
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Am going to the Yankees game next Thursday. I do not get along well with Yankee fans.
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Am going to the Yankees game next Thursday. I do not get along well with Yankee fans.
you'll be vastly outnumbered!
;D ;D ;D
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And that is why...
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I do not get along well with Yankee fans.
At least you won't have to deal with bandwagon Red Sox fans.
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I do not get along well with Yankee fans.
At least you won't have to deal with bandwagon Red Sox fans.
I will say that Red Sox fans are worse. At least you can drink before the game with Yankee fans and get along...
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I just still cannot get over going to the last game of the season a few years back. The Orioles were out of the running and the Yankees were winning. I saw a Yankee fan spit in an usher's face after saying "orioles suck".
I hold grudges.
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Am going to the Yankees game next Thursday. I do not get along well with Yankee fans.
you'll be vastly outnumbered!
;D ;D ;D
I don't think so. Cal's statue is being unveiled that night so I have a feeling there will be more home fans than usual.
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At least for that Thursday game. There will definitely be more Orioles fans. It's been great to see so many people come out for these games.
I really want to get this shirt for that game
http://protectthisyard.spreadshirt.com/immortal-baltimore-legends-A7642959/customize/color/2
My husband wore his steady eddie shirt to eddie murray day. It was fun. (more like eddie murray late night though)
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Team of Destiny? (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/28430/orioles-starting-to-look-like-team-of-destiny)
And they even mention run differential!
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love it.
What's interesting is that if you've watched all the games, you can see that the Orioles have fought for each and every win. it's not luck. It's talent by the players and Buck.
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3 out of 4 from the White Sox. Who just swept the Yankees. Britton had 10 strikeouts today.
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O's: 35-39 since their hot start.
The Orioles were 18-9 (.667) in August (12-4 at home, 6-5 on the road), marking their most wins in any month this season.
According to Elias, the Orioles' winning percentage was the best in the majors in August and marked the first time the Orioles have produced the majors' highest winning percentage (or tied for it) in any month in which every major league team played at least 10 games since May 1997, when they were 20-8.
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"Let's go O's" chant at Yankee Stadium today. Beautiful.
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The Orioles and A's continue to do their best to prove you wrong.
I'm not alone in this line of thinking, and I'm certainly not saying this without a lot to back it up. I'm not just trying to piss off Orioles fans, because I rather like them.
This will come down to pitching, and neither the A's nor the Orioles have a single pitcher with 170-200 innings pitched in a single season (save for oft-injured Brandon McCarthy who did it only last year and has spent 2-months on the DL this year and Bartolo Colon who hasn't done it in 7 years). The longer the season goes, the more these tired arms are going to start showing kinks in the armor. Only a foolish man would bet against (LAA) Weaver, Wilson, Haren, Grienke or (TB) Price, Shields, Hellickson and Moore or (ChiW) Sale, Floyd, Liriano, Peavy or (Det) Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Porcello. The AL Wild Card Race is deep with strong arms....the question is who's the odd man out between the White Sox, Tigers, Angels or Rays? My hope is that the Central teams beat each other up and only one makes it.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how Oakland's staff or Baltimore's staff has the horses to go the last 45 games. Especially the Orioles - they're the only team in baseball with a +.500 record and a negative run differential, and it's not even close at -43. That stuff catches up to you eventually.
The NL race is a little different. The Pirates actually do have some arms with experience in Burnett, Coreia, Bedard and Rodriguez. Even Karstens and Macdonald have thrown 170 innings in a season. They just might not have the offense to contend with Atlanta or St Louis. The Giants pitching staff is coming around and Dodgers all of a sudden have some depth. I would love to see the Pirates break the drought, but I think Lincecum will save the Giants and the Cardinals and Braves battle it out for the second spot.
But hey, I've been wrong once. Ask hutch.
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The Orioles and A's continue to do their best to prove you wrong.
Believe me, nobody is more aware of this than me. I really thought the Angels were toast when they were swept by Tampa, then they rattled off their first 9-2 stretch that I predicted would happen soon, yet gained a half game. Then they gave that half game right back with that loss to Seattle.
The only positive sign is 7 games against Oakland (6 now after yesterday's win) and 3 against Detroit and the White Sox. Everyone else plays each other a lot too though, which means ground gained on one team is not gained on others.
We're now at the 160 innings mark for most starters, and my theory will now be put to the test.
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Chen is the only Oriole at 160. Nobody else is even close.
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Tillman is at 154, and look where that got him.
Chen is the only Oriole at 160. Nobody else is even close.
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Tillman is at 154, and look where that got him.
Chen is the only Oriole at 160. Nobody else is even close.
He's at 61 with the Orioles, though. You're looking at minor league innings as well?
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Tillman is at 154, and look where that got him.
Chen is the only Oriole at 160. Nobody else is even close.
Inflammation, but no structural damage per the MRI today.
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Beltway series!!!!!!
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As long as the O's stay "lucky" they have a shot. Right, Bobby V.?
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I am, but it was Vansmack's theory. So ask him!
Tillman is at 154, and look where that got him.
Chen is the only Oriole at 160. Nobody else is even close.
He's at 61 with the Orioles, though. You're looking at minor league innings as well?
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+12 run differential tonight
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What's up first place
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FIRST PLACE.
Anyone else going Thursday for Cal Ripken night?
ORIOLES MAGIC FEEL IT HAPPEN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o1xcQuXdII
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FIRST PLACE.
Anyone else going Thursday for Cal Ripken night?
ORIOLES MAGIC FEEL IT HAPPEN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o1xcQuXdII
I'll be there - left field lowers.
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3rd base terrace box...
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Tillman is at 154, and look where that got him.
Chen is the only Oriole at 160. Nobody else is even close.
He's at 61 with the Orioles, though. You're looking at minor league innings as well?
Tillman threw 92 innings in the minors this season. I'd imagine that's where Rhett got the total of 154. And yes, minors league innings take a toll on one's arm when it comes to fatigue.
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Chen is the only Oriole at 160. Nobody else is even close.
The only thing worse than having to worry about tiring young arms is having a number of unknown quantities, and the Orioles, by virtue of having to play musical chairs with their rotation all season (masterfully, I might add) is the lack of confidence in what to expect going down the stretch.
That being said:
Chen, first year in MLB.
The aforementioned Tillman.
Tommy Hunter 121 innings in the bigs, 29 innings in the minors (150)
Jason Hammel 109 innings in the bigs, coming off the DL, though he has averaged 174 over the last 3 seasons, so that's a plus.
Jake Arrieta 101 in the bigs, 56 in the minros (157)
Brian Matusz 89 in the bigs, 47 in the minors (136)
Hey, beat the Yankees and everyone's happy. And truthfully if the O's are the team that beats out the Angels for the second WC, that would be the best worst case scenario for me, even if I have to hear about it on this board for all of eternity. But I'm still not betting on the O's. Or the A's, because history and the stats tell me not to.
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Don't forget about Britton.
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Don't forget about Britton.
He's only at 110 combined and threw 150+ last season, I was less concerned about him, but I'll be honest, I don't know much about his injury history.
Though Gonzalez at 110 is maybe worth a mention as he's never thrown anything near that in 5 years.
And obviously I didn't need to mention Saunders and Wolf who probably have no innings limit, they're just serviceable journeymen. I'm VERY familiar with Saunders...
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Anyone else going Thursday for Cal Ripken night?
Thursday and Saturday are sold out.
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well first place was nice the 1 day it lasted
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We can get it back tonight.
Will be interesting to hear how the mix of fans is tonight. Hopefully the majority are there for the O's.
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I have faith it will be mostly Orioles fans there tonight!
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wow orioles..nice win..
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love it!!!
wow orioles..nice win..
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Wow, that game. I haven't felt that way watching in Orioles game in years. I started cracking up out of joy after Reynolds hit his 2nd HR of the night.
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Product of West Springfield HS, right down the road from me.
And obviously I didn't need to mention Saunders and Wolf who probably have no innings limit, they're just serviceable journeymen. I'm VERY familiar with Saunders...
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Epic.
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Best Orioles game I have ever seen in person. All the Orioles fans...AMAZING.
Of course, I sit in front of a huge jerk Yankee fan. Why can't they just sit down and cheer for their team and shut up? This guy leaned over when my husband was in the bathroom and said "I don't know how to tell you, but the Orioles aren't going to make the playoffs". I politely (yelled) that I had been watching every game for over a decade and I'm just glad they're having a winning season so stay the hell out of my face....
He was a mocking jerk too when the Yankees tied saying "Let's Go O's"
So, then they hit 3 home runs and I turned around and said "We're going to the playoffs" singing it and dancing and he left soon after because he's a fairweather.
Aside from that, it was just amazing that they won and kept hitting homeruns and there were so many Orioles fans there.
Just wonderful. I don't know if another game can top that experience.
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I should also add that I do not join in the booing and/or Yankees suck chants. I prefer to cheer for the Orioles....
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I should also add that I do not join in the booing and/or Yankees suck chants. I prefer to cheer for the Orioles....
that bullshit is all a part of the evolution of a fanbase.
O's game looked amazing last night.
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O's with Markakis starting: 62-42
without: 16-19
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O's with Markakis starting: 62-42
without: 16-19
Even though he lost CC did them a big favor.
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I should also add that I do not join in the booing and/or Yankees suck chants. I prefer to cheer for the Orioles....
I was booing every time a yankee was announced on friday night. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have so many fans come to the game but I just really can't stand their players. I mean I don't like the Red Sox but at least they don't disgust me like the yankees players. I think it might be all the clean-shaven super short hair adn their ugly mugs and their arrogant smiles. I just can't stand them. Especially Jeter and Teixera.
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Me either. Although I can at least respect Derek Jeter. But, I still don't like him. All the other players are heinous. Rooting for them is like rooting for a corporation. It's not even rooting for a team. And their fans are jerks.
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We bought beers for the Yankee fans sitting next to us Friday night. They're not all bad. Just mostly bad.
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The fans in front of us and next to us on Thursday were cool. The guys behind us were not. My luck that the game when it's 90/10 Orioles fans/Yankee fans, I'm still the fan who's surrounded.
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Tied for first. Wearing orange today.
A guaranteed .500 season with their win yesterday.
One more win until we put our light-em-up Orioles player on our lawn and confuse our neighbors.
Went to the game Wednesday night. Still so wonderful to hear the stadium loud! Loving it.
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Sat through 14 yesterday. A glorious day with some tense moments. And another one-run win.
Time to BUCKle up for the rest of the ride!
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It was a great game yesterday! I had to go to a job in the field yesterday or I would have left work to go! Got to listen to it on the drive back and finish watching it at home though.
I will admit it...I cried when they won and I knew they wouldn't be a losing team this year.
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It was a great game yesterday! I had to go to a job in the field yesterday or I would have left work to go! Got to listen to it on the drive back and finish watching it at home though.
I will admit it...I cried when they won and I knew they wouldn't be a losing team this year.
Which makes you the anti-Rhett.
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I think 99.9% of baseball fans and even O's fans expected another losing season, as I did. Very pleased they're proving me wrong.
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While I realize hindsight is 20/20, if you check Buck's career everywhere he's been his team has experienced an incredible turnaround in his second full year. History repeats.
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I'm not going to lie. I expected a losing season. But, I have this great picture of me in the Orioles dugout at Fanfest, leaning on the rail like Buck, staring out at the field in January covered in snow where I'm thinking "I hope the Orioles are still winning in September this year".
It's my favorite picture of 2012.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-FcLpbjlcY&feature=player_embedded
this is pretty much the greatest thing ever LOL
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love it.
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Don't stop now. I need you to sweep this weekend. Badly.
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I'm going to buy two tickets for the Wild Card Game in Oakland, just in case.
If the Birds make it and Anaheim doesn't, Venerable is going to need someone to go with him. ..
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I was thinking about buying Wild Card tickets for here. They're 180 on stubhub. Husband didn't want to get a 13 game plan for next year to guarantee purchase! ugh.
We did put our little light 'em up Oriole player on our lawn the other night when they were guaranteed a winning season. It was funny watching the neighbors walk past.
Going to the double header next Monday! Excited.
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$180 already? :( Hoping I can get playoff tix for less than that.
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They don't officially go on sale until saturday. That's for the wild card game. Playoff tickets are around 90 right now.
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Totally wanted to go to the doubleheader Monday ($4 and $8 seats for two games!), but realized it was back to school night at my kid's school.
Thinking about Tues or Wed...
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Yeah, I understand they aren't on sale yet - I've registered. I just expect that getting tix thru the public sale is going to be very, very difficult. The secondary market might be the only way.
I'm going to all four games against Toronto next week, thanks to throwback ticket pricing.
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That's awesome! Got my ticket for Monday!
Going to the last 2 home games too.
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Also, the 4 dollar seats...you smell like a campfire after you leave because of boog's bbq. The view is cool, but after a while I just didn't want to smell smoked meats anymore.
bought the 8 dollar seats in section 9.
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We're Number #3!
MLB's top selling teams for merchandise in September on fanatics.com:
1.New York Yankees
2.San Francisco Giants
3.Baltimore Orioles
4.Boston Red Sox
5.Atlanta Braves
6.St. Louis Cardinals
7.Texas Rangers
8.Los Angeles Dodgers
9.Cincinnati Reds
10.Detroit Tigers
67 percent of fans buying Orioles merchandise online live outside Maryland.
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Miguel Cabrera=triple crown winner?
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I'm all for being a family man, but missing tonight's game because of the birth of your FIFTH child this MORNING? Inexcusable, Mr. Pujols.
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If you're still watching this, you're awesome.
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Call me crazy, but I think Steve Johnson should be in the starting rotation.
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He has started a game or two. At this point, I'm not doubting Buck.
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We're Number #3!
MLB's top selling teams for merchandise in September on fanatics.com:
1.New York Yankees
2.San Francisco Giants
3.Baltimore Orioles
4.Boston Red Sox
5.Atlanta Braves
6.St. Louis Cardinals
7.Texas Rangers
8.Los Angeles Dodgers
9.Cincinnati Reds
10.Detroit Tigers
67 percent of fans buying Orioles merchandise online live outside Maryland.
I'm hoping this means we'll get some really cool team gear next year. The jacket choices for women are not the best. I mean, the Cubs have lost just as many seasons and their gear is SO COOL.
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How anyone over the age of 18 who wears major league gear or any sports team gear (beyond a cap) gets laid is a great mystery to me.
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How anyone over the age of 18 who wears major league gear or any sports team gear (beyond a cap) gets laid is a great mystery to me.
This explains how many people do it: http://bit.ly/Piumm, gear or no gear.
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How anyone over the age of 18 who wears major league gear or any sports team gear (beyond a cap) gets laid is a great mystery to me.
They place those logos right at boob line for the ladies.
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Perhaps I should have said any MAN. Women can get away with wearing anything. ;)
How anyone over the age of 18 who wears major league gear or any sports team gear (beyond a cap) gets laid is a great mystery to me.
They place those logos right at boob line for the ladies.
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That goes for band t-shirts, too, right James?
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I dunno, I think there's an artistic/graphic design aesthetic appeal that's present in many band t-shirts that's lacking in sports team merchandise.
Plus, if you're buying band tshirts by smaller, independent bands, you're supporting their livelihood. If you're buying sports team merchandise, you're just forking over your money to millionaires. Sure, you're doing the same thing by attending the game, but somehow that's more palatable than buying the jersey.
That goes for band t-shirts, too, right James?
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I don't care what anyone says soccer jerseys are cool as fuck and sexy...
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Soccer jerseys say "I'm a pompous white liberal fuck."
Unless you're Latino or foreign, then you get a pass.
I don't care what anyone says soccer jerseys are cool as fuck and sexy...
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A guy in a soccer jersey is hot.
I love the Orioles gear.
Actually, guys in Orioles gear is cute.
Especially my husband.
Who will only wear either a shirt or a hat, but rarely both. (He made an exception for Eddie Murray day).
Orioles are TWENTY games over .500.
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I'm a little high on codeine right now.
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Does codeine make you a judgmental dick, or is that just your nature.
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Does codeine make you a judgmental dick, or is that just your nature.
Unless he is always on codeine I think he's just a dick although there have been a few brief moments of humanity....
I propose this as Jamesy's song... given he's such a big alt country fan
He's a dick (Golden Smog)
I once knew a guy
Who always asked for money
I'd give him 10, he'd insist on 20
And now when I see him around
His face is always pointed down at the ground
Chorus:
All I wanna know
Is why he is such a prick
Please tell so I know what makes guys like him tick
He's such a dick
He wanted to borrow some records from my collection
On no return, I felt the rejection
And now, when I see him in town
Same way as always, his head is towards the ground
(Chorus)
Unsatisfied, a word he often uses is need
He is usually really wired on that cheap trucker speed
Last time he was at my house, he tried to walk away with my weed
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if you're buying band tshirts by smaller, independent bands, you're supporting their livelihood. If you're buying sports team merchandise, you're just forking over your money to millionaires.
Then what about non-indie bands, or bands whose members are all filthy rich? Kind of a grey area here, methinks.
I'll agree that if you're not going to a game, then anything other than a cap or a t-shirt is a bit much.
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hahaha not my favorite song on that album, but it's alright.
I would never borrow money or records or anything from anybody.
I also wouldn't do drugs if i didn't have a broken rib.
You can call me judgemental, or you could just say i have an opinion and I'm not afraid to express it on a message board.
My favorite is when you see black people wearing NASCAR gear. Now I have no doubt that there are plenty of black people who watch NASCAR, probably many more than white city slicker liberals would think, but there's no way that all of those black people wearing those NASCAR team racing jackets are really NASCAR fans.
Does codeine make you a judgmental dick, or is that just your nature.
Unless he is always on codeine I think he's just a dick although there have been a few brief moments of humanity....
I propose this as Jamesy's song... given he's such a big alt country fan
He's a dick (Golden Smog)
I once knew a guy
Who always asked for money
I'd give him 10, he'd insist on 20
And now when I see him around
His face is always pointed down at the ground
Chorus:
All I wanna know
Is why he is such a prick
Please tell so I know what makes guys like him tick
He's such a dick
He wanted to borrow some records from my collection
On no return, I felt the rejection
And now, when I see him in town
Same way as always, his head is towards the ground
(Chorus)
Unsatisfied, a word he often uses is need
He is usually really wired on that cheap trucker speed
Last time he was at my house, he tried to walk away with my weed
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I think wearing a Guns n Roses or Linkin Park shirt is probably as bad as wearing a Yankees shirt. I guess there are enough women with no taste or poor taste that those guys are still going to get laid.
Now the satin team jacket wearing guys? They're probably not getting laid.
if you're buying band tshirts by smaller, independent bands, you're supporting their livelihood. If you're buying sports team merchandise, you're just forking over your money to millionaires.
Then what about non-indie bands, or bands whose members are all filthy rich? Kind of a grey area here, methinks.
I'll agree that if you're not going to a game, then anything other than a cap or a t-shirt is a bit much.
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Dylan Bundy. That is all.
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Dylan Bundy indeed.
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Does codeine make you a judgmental dick, or is that just your nature.
^This
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It's funny how people who throw judgemental comments left and right when it comes to politics they don't agree with get in a hissy fit when someone has an opinion about something as silly as fashion.
Does codeine make you a judgmental dick, or is that just your nature.
^This
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15 straight extra innings win. Sweep of the Mariners.
GO ORIOLES.
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15 straight extra innings win. Sweep of the Mariners.
GO ORIOLES.
O's are no longer sweepless in Seattle!
Sorry.
Wild card and 2 ALDS game tickets secured.
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My husband does not want to go to the wild card. I don't know what's wrong with him!
We are getting tickets to game 2 of ALDS though (home game)
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I wouldn't want to go all the way to New York or Oakland to see an A's vs. Yankees game either.
;D
My husband does not want to go to the wild card. I don't know what's wrong with him!
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It's funny how people who throw judgemental comments left and right when it comes to politics they don't agree with get in a hissy fit when someone has an opinion about something as silly as fashion.
Does codeine make you a judgmental dick, or is that just your nature.
^This
I don't think that I throw judgmental comments around at all, especially about politics,...or that I got in a hissy fit.
Maybe your comment was aimed at someone else, you judgmental dick.
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You're missing my point.
My point was that opinions are stated on this message board ALL THE TIME.
And mature people that we are, we typically politely agree or disagree and give our reasons. We don't respond by insulting/judging the person who stated their opinion. As you did.
Or at least that's the way it should work, imo. ;)
It's funny how people who throw judgemental comments left and right when it comes to politics they don't agree with get in a hissy fit when someone has an opinion about something as silly as fashion.
Does codeine make you a judgmental dick, or is that just your nature.
^This
I don't think that I throw judgmental comments around at all, especially about politics,...or that I got in a hissy fit.
Maybe your comment was aimed at someone else, you judgmental dick.
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103 consecutive innings without an error!
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You're missing my point.
My point was that opinions are stated on this message board ALL THE TIME.
And mature people that we are, we typically politely agree or disagree and give our reasons. We don't respond by insulting/judging the person who stated their opinion. As you did.
Or at least that's the way it should work, imo. ;)
It's funny how people who throw judgemental comments left and right when it comes to politics they don't agree with get in a hissy fit when someone has an opinion about something as silly as fashion.
Does codeine make you a judgmental dick, or is that just your nature.
^This
I don't think that I throw judgmental comments around at all, especially about politics,...or that I got in a hissy fit.
Maybe your comment was aimed at someone else, you judgmental dick.
I had posted the Wikipedia page for sexual intercourse, and then in a second post said: "^ This"
How is that a judgmental comment or a hissy fit. You have been a judgmental dick on this board for a loooooooooooooooong time. Own it. ;D
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Exactly. Jamesy, take some personal responsibility man... don't play the victim!
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103 consecutive innings without an error!
So exciting!
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Sure, I'm judgemental, and so are you if you're judging my behavior. I'm not sure how being judgemental makes a person a dick. If so, I guess that makes most of us dicks.
judgmental, judgemental [dʒʌdʒˈmɛntəl]
adj
of or denoting an attitude in which judgments about other people's conduct are made
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Sure, I'm judgemental, and so are you if you're judging my behavior. I'm not sure how being judgemental makes a person a dick. If so, I guess that makes most of us dicks.
judgmental, judgemental [dʒʌdʒˈmɛntəl]
adj
of or denoting an attitude in which judgments about other people's conduct are made
Most of us are indeed dicks. You are just the clearest example of a dick on this board. And its okay. In fact, it's entertaining most of the time.
But in this case, you told me that I make judgmental political comments and that I threw a hissy fit, when neither had happened.
bringing us back to baseball.....Once in a while you even throw out a positive comment, and its a real change-up.... it clears the bases....etc.
Go O's and Nats.
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Ok, good point. Indeed you did not make any judgements, except to judge me. My point was that it's kind of pointless to call someone a dick for something that we all do in one way or another.
I guess I find the conflicts that occur on the board because of people (judgementally) stating their opinion more entertaining than if all of us were sittting around singing kumbaya. Hence, my propensity for making inflammatory remarks. Where it crosses the line is when I make fun of Hutch's Members Only jacket, or when you call me a name.
Although, to be honest, I didn't really think mocking grown men who walk around town in full sports gear was inflammatory. I would tend to think most people would probably agree with me.
I think it's also pathetic when people refer the their team as "we", as if they were on the team or something. Like I'll hear 35 year old UVA graduates who never played college ball in their lives say "We've gotta start playing better." after UVA loses a game.
Sure, I'm judgemental, and so are you if you're judging my behavior. I'm not sure how being judgemental makes a person a dick. If so, I guess that makes most of us dicks.
judgmental, judgemental [dʒʌdʒˈmɛntəl]
adj
of or denoting an attitude in which judgments about other people's conduct are made
Most of us are indeed dicks. You are just the clearest example of a dick on this board. And its okay. In fact, it's entertaining most of the time.
But in this case, you told me that I make judgmental political comments and that I threw a hissy fit, when neither had happened.
bringin
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I think it's also pathetic when people refer the their team as "we", as if they were on the team or something. Like I'll hear 35 year old UVA graduates who never played college ball in their lives say "We've gotta start playing better." after UVA loses a game.
I have few bigger pet peeves than this. Can't stand it. I can kinda understand it if it's your school/alma mater, but it's still embarrassing to act like you're a part of what the team does. Even worse when it's a pro franchise.
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My husband does not want to go to the wild card. I don't know what's wrong with him!
Honestly, I don't blame him. This Wild Card idea is great for baseball. Unless your team is in the game.
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The one game playoff is idiotic.
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id rather it be just one wild card (way too many teams still alive that have no right to be) but i dont think id have much of a problem with a play-in series between wild cards.
baseball should never be a one game sport
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I like it.. the old system sucked...the wildcard should somewhat be disadvantaged with respect to division winners... this way they are.. they have to play a do or die game..and you know what? those can be fun.... wasn't there a great one last year?
i mean what is the problem? that it is tough on the worst team to make the playoff??? tough luck.. win the division next time!
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oh it should be fun to watch, yeah. i'd just think differently as a player/fan of a team playing in it
and if anything the wildcard game winner gets the advantage this year, by opening at home against the division winner. thats the real headscratcher in all this.
anyway i do agree that its a good thing that it forces teams to play for the division instead of merely settling for the wild card. i might be fully sold on the one game thing after seeing it happen
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I think the three teams with the best record should get the top three seeds. It's crap that Chicago or Detriot might be a top three seed and teams with better records could conceievably miss the wild card round.
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Coming off the heels of last year with essentially two one game playoffs in both leagues (if you remember the last day of the regular season and then the actual one game playoffs to break the ties) it was a no brainer. That was two amazing days of baseball.
That being said, baseball had to do something after the Yanks tanked in the regular season of 2010 to set their pitching staff up for the playoffs because winning the division meant nothing (it could be argued that they also wanted to face the Twins in the playoffs and let the Rangers and Rays hash it out).
Rewarding the division winners was needed, and the playoffs schedule was already set for 2012. The only way to do it this year was a one game playoff and reduce the first series to 5 games. They're going back to a seven game series next year and keeping the one game playoff. I think they may consider a 3-game WC series then a 5-game series ALDS series in the future, but who knows.
The one game playoff is not my preference, bu I'm glad baseball is doing something to make winning the division mean something.
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and if anything the wildcard game winner gets the advantage this year, by opening at home against the division winner. thats the real headscratcher in all this.
yeah I didn't mention this on purpose as I didn't want to muddy the waters...BUT I THINK THIS IS A JOKE..
as my friend said the Nats could win teh division, the Phillies sneak in, win the 1 game playoff and the Nats would have to play the first two games - of a five game series- up in Philly
I don't know if I am missing something but that seems insane.
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Relax everybody. It's only for this season and only happened because MLB changed the playoff format after the 2012 post season schedule was set (READ: TV was arranged around it).
To play the extra game, they needed to eliminate the travel day before game 5. It was the only way to assure that a game five of the AL/NLDS wouldn't go up against college football or the NFL. The owners were given the option of the first 3 at home or the last 3, and they unanimously chose the last 3.
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Coming off the heels of last year with essentially two one game playoffs in both leagues (if you remember the last day of the regular season and then the actual one game playoffs to break the ties) it was a no brainer. That was two amazing days of baseball.
But that was a naturally occurring last day of the season, not a gimmicky one game playoff to decide who advances after a 162 game season. They could schedule a couple double-headers during the year (with separate admission even) and play a 3-game WC series at least. I doubt that MLB will be shortening the season any time soon.
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I wish the wild card game was a series, but it's also exciting to have the one game playoff. I'm conflicted. Having the one game playoff means that a greater number of teams have the chance to get into the championship games, but it also makes it harder for us as fans whose team is playing in that one game.
As an Orioles fan, whose just happy as can be that there's even a chance that they'll go to the postseason, I really don't feel like I have the right to complain about anything at all regarding the post season.
I do really hate the Yankees though and wish they would just lose already.
That, I do know.
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And I am guilty of sometimes saying "we", but as a general rule try really hard not to say it!
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And you're guilty of using "whose" instead of "who's". :P
And I am guilty of sometimes saying "we", but as a general rule try really hard not to say it!
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I do really hate the Yankees though and wish they would just lose already.
That, I do know.
A's / Yankees this weekend. Somebody's gotta lose.
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everybody wishes the yankees would lose..
i was briefly a yankees fan in the late 70s.. i was obsessed with reggie jackson.... also billy martin..
sometimes i wish i'd stayed a fan but its hard to be loyal to a team from a city you're not from.... when reggie left and billy martin too i stopped caring about the yankees
gotta say though that jeter has really put up incredible numbers... i remember 10 years ago feeling nomar was the better player but then nomar fell apart and jeter just kept on going..
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hate the yanks, but jeter's the man. guys like him and chipper are looking like the end of an era, which is sad. jeter should get a nice farewell tour when he calls it a day.
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I think you have to respect Jeter. But I still hate the Yankees!
Got tickets for the Wild Card and Division Series Game 1!!! (Bought game 2 also but am nice and am giving those to a friend and her family)
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And you're guilty of using "whose" instead of "who's". :PAnd I am guilty of sometimes saying "we", but as a general rule try really hard not to say it!
that's because I get excited when I talk about the Orioles 2012 season of destiny.
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Adam Jones is now the first player in the history of MLB to have 4 homers in the 11th inning or later in one season. Obscure. God love Eric Bedard.
Jon Lester now 14-ONE vs. the Birds. Let's Go O's.
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And I am guilty of sometimes saying "we", but as a general rule try really hard not to say it!
Who cares? We keep winning!! ;D
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Good luck, O's fans! I'm rooting for you guys to win the division (and I'm an A's fan).
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From Buster Olney's Blog....
The fuel for Baltimore's success
September, 23, 2012
Buck Showalter knows Baltimore is OK when he has to take the ball from his starter.
Buck Showalter will make his way around the field during batting practice before games, and while he'll talk to a lot of players along the way, his primary mission, he says, is to get a read on how his relievers are feeling, how their arms are feeling. He probably spends more time on bullpen management, he believes, than on any other element of his job.
Showalter has learned so much in these conversations through the years, pieces of information that he holds onto as managerial keepsakes. Like when Steve Farr and Steve Howe explained to him how difficult it is for a reliever to generate adrenaline by the third time he gets up in the bullpen during the game, and the toll it takes on a reliever to throw a lot of pitches warming up repeatedly.
The Baltimore Orioles are in contention in late September for the first time in 15 years, and a primary reason is how Showalter and pitching coach Rick Adair have run their bullpen, through a season of extraordinary stress. If Showalter wins Manager of the Year, this should be why.
Because of injury and performance, the Orioles' rotation has been in a state of flux the entire season. This is not the Baltimore of Palmer, Cuellar, McNally and Dobson: Only one pitcher has made more than 20 starts this season.
As a result, the Orioles' bullpen has been asked to carry an enormous burden. Only three teams have generated more relief innings than Baltimore -- Colorado, which skewed its bullpen numbers when it went to a four-man rotation; and the Minnesota Twins and Kansas City Royals, teams that have had horrific seasons from their respective rotations.
The Orioles' bullpen has amassed 517 innings this year, or about 100 innings more than the New York Yankees, Texas Rangers or Detroit Tigers.
Yet, the Orioles' bullpen has been incredibly effective, partly because Showalter and Adair have been remarkably efficient in getting regular rest for their relievers in spite of the heavy overall use. Baltimore, for example, had used its relievers on back-to-back days among the fewest times in the American League this year, going into this weekend's series.
The most situations using relievers on consecutive days, according to the research of Katie Sharp of ESPN Stats & Information:
1. Tampa Bay Rays, 115
2. Yankees, 109
3. Royals, 102
4. Chicago White Sox, 101
5. Tigers, 96
6. Cleveland Indians, 87
7. Boston Red Sox, 84
7. Seattle Mariners, 84
9. Los Angeles Angels, 83
10. Orioles, 82
11. Rangers, 81
12. Twins, 78
13. Oakland Athletics, 73
14. Toronto Blue Jays, 72
Adair and Showalter monitor the number of times relievers get up in the bullpen, and how many pitches they throw in that time, and generally speaking, Showalter will try not to use a reliever the day after he's warmed up twice in the bullpen in the same game.
Showalter also will work to minimize the number of times he gets a reliever up in the bullpen, doing so only in specific situations in which he envisions using the reliever -- rather than simply creating some comfort for himself by maximizing his options and getting two relievers up constantly.
Showalter says he learned about running a bullpen from talking with players about what worked best for them, about how they felt they had the best chance to be effective.
"Like Steve Farr and Steve Howe told me -- when the bullpen phone rings, there's an adrenaline flow," he recalled. "If you don't go into the game after warming up the first time, you can probably get that adrenaline back one more time. But you can't a third time."
Showalter liked to watch how Tony La Russa used his bullpen, in minimizing the number of times a pitcher would throw in the bullpen during the course of a game and a season.
Jim Johnson, the Orioles' reliever who is approaching 50 saves this season, said over the phone the other day, "Every bullet matters. You only get so many in your career, and only so many in your season.
"He'll talk to guys during batting practice, and he'll get a feel for how ready they are. And he'll do that without asking them a direct question" about whether they can take the ball that day.
There are managers in the game today who will routinely ask two relievers to get up at a time, without having a definite sense of how and when they'll be employed, and there have been cases around baseball this year of relievers being asked to warm up during a single game a half-dozen times.
If you ever want to get a true sense of how a manager manages his own anxiety level, watch the way he uses his bullpen.
It's pretty clear that Showalter and Adair have been extremely disciplined in how and when they have used their relievers, and it has translated directly into performance in the Baltimore bullpen.
From ESPN Stats & Info: How the Orioles' bullpen has pitched this season by number of days between appearances.
0 days: 82 appearances, 2.10 ERA, .224 opp BA
1 day: 117 appearances, 2.56 ERA, .235 opp BA
2 days: 106 appearances, 2.34 ERA, .210 opp BA
For the sake of comparison, how those Baltimore bullpen numbers compare to the MLB average:
0 days: 3.54 ERA, .243 opp BA
1 day: 3.78 ERA, .249 opp BA
2 days: 3.43 ERA, .237 opp BA
"You've got to put yourself in their shoes," Showalter said of his relievers, "and think about what puts them in the best position to succeed."
The Orioles' bullpen won in extra innings again on Saturday. From Elias Sports Bureau:
A) The Orioles have won 16 straight extra-inning games, the second-longest single-season streak in MLB history behind the 1949 Indians (17 straight).
B) The Orioles' 16 wins in extra innings are the most for a team in a single season since the Braves won 17 in 1999
C) The Orioles have 11 road extra-inning wins, tied with the 1999 Braves for the most in a single season since 1901.
From Elias: The Orioles have played four extra-innings games at Fenway Park this season, and they've won them all. They are the seventh team in major-league history to record four extra-innings road wins against one team in a single season and the first since the 1975 Red Sox had four such wins at Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. The other clubs with four extra-innings road wins in one year against a particular opponent were the 1920 Pirates (at St. Louis), 1921 St. Louis Browns (at Detroit), 1955 Cubs (at St. Louis), 1964 Kansas City Athletics (at Minnesota) and 1969 Twins (at Oakland).
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i've always thought Buck Showalter a good manager.... glad he's getting some recognition.. i guess the rap on him has been that he only does well in the short term when he comes in.
I also think Davey is a very good manager and i think the fact the Nats and O's got good experienced managers after allowing people with hardly any experience to take the reins goes a long way to explaining their success
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If the season ended today, the White Sox, with the seventh best record, would be the #3 seed.
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MLB is talking about doing away with the divisions and just putting the top records in the playoffs. Everyone would play everyone. Would make for an interesting season. I want it to happen (but that's because the Orioles have to play the Yankees something like 19 times next year...it's insane)
Going to the game today with my "The Hunt for Orange October" sign. Hope it brings luck!
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I just counted 18, which is still absurd like you said. Yet only one weekend series at Camden (THREE at Yankee Stadium).
Need to keep winning today. I smell Tampa and the Angels hot on the O's tail feathers.
MLB is talking about doing away with the divisions and just putting the top records in the playoffs. Everyone would play everyone. Would make for an interesting season. I want it to happen (but that's because the Orioles have to play the Yankees something like 19 times next year...it's insane)
Going to the game today with my "The Hunt for Orange October" sign. Hope it brings luck!
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MLB is talking about doing away with the divisions and just putting the top records in the playoffs. Everyone would play everyone.
ha... I don't believe they will do this but it would be interesting as, if memory serves, it would restore baseball to the way it was organized for most of its history.. divisions are an anomaly actually...
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MLB is talking about doing away with the divisions and just putting the top records in the playoffs. Everyone would play everyone. Would make for an interesting season. I want it to happen (but that's because the Orioles have to play the Yankees something like 19 times next year...it's insane)
Going to the game today with my "The Hunt for Orange October" sign. Hope it brings luck!
Where are you sitting? Will look for you on the Mister Angelos Sports Network.
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Section 9.
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Wild Card and ALDS games are sold out.
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Good call James. More Steve Johnson, Buck.
Call me crazy, but I think Steve Johnson should be in the starting rotation.
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What is it with MASN and the temp agency it uses to staff broadcasters for hO's games? Jesus Christ in a handbasket, while the Nats consistently go with Carpenter and Santangelo, MASN rotates Jim Hunter, Gary Thorne, Jim Palmer, Mike Bordick, Brady Anderson, Miguel Tejada and whoever they can find as day labor at the local 7-11. Not that cast of characters is any worse than Santangelo, but geez, the hO's will never have a "TV voice" like other franchises if they just keep temp agency carousel to staff games.
Any ideas as to why they do this? I just write it off as Angelos.
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What is it with MASN and the temp agency it uses to staff broadcasters for hO's games? Jesus Christ in a handbasket, while the Nats consistently go with Carpenter and Santangelo, MASN rotates Jim Hunter, Gary Thorne, Jim Palmer, Mike Bordick, Brady Anderson, Miguel Tejada and whoever they can find as day labor at the local 7-11. Not that cast of characters is any worse than Santangelo, but geez, the hO's will never have a "TV voice" like other franchises if they just keep temp agency carousel to staff games.
Any ideas as to why they do this? I just write it off as Angelos.
hO's? Fuck off.
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Any ideas as to why they do this? I just write it off as Angelos.
Suicide?
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Didn't they get rid of Jon Miller in the late 90s??
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the Nats consistently go with Carpenter and Santangelo
...who are consistently awful. Palmer is great but won't commit to the entire season. After that...who cares?
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It's because Palmer only wanted to call 1/2 the season. I agree that Bordick is REALLY boring, but the Nationals game callers are just horrendous.
Yes, the Orioles did get rid of John Miller. So did ESPN. No idea why either of them would as he rules.
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It's because Palmer only wanted to call 1/2 the season. I agree that Bordick is REALLY boring, but the Nationals game callers are just horrendous.
Yes, the Orioles did get rid of John Miller. So did ESPN. No idea why either of them would as he rules.
Jon Miller is the best.
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Do the players get to choose the theme music that is played when they come to bat? I once heard that they did.
My favorite theme music was when they played How Soon is Now? when BJ Surhoff came to bat. Do they play anything good as a player introduction song at Camden this year? I have only been once this year and all I heard was suckage.
I went to Nats Stadium yesterday and the best I heard were some Bob Marley selections when Kurt Suzuki came to bat. They played Zep's Dazed and Confused once for Jayson Werth. Not a personal favorite, but respectable. The rest was garbage.
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werth's is one of my favorites. i love the song, and it totally fits his slow walk to the plate.
i really like that 80s synth-y one morse uses. the part where the stadium cuts it off and the crowd continues to the really high note is awesome.
seems like every team has 1 or 2 great walk-up songs, the rest are awful.
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http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/bal/fan_forum/introduction.jsp
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Most of the guys have terrible taste in music. Adam Jones has a good song.
The PA music guy at the Yard is great though. A big Smiths fan for sure.
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AS you probably know, Morse didn't play yesterday, so missed his.
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werth's is one of my favorites. i love the song, and it totally fits his slow walk to the plate.
i really like that 80s synth-y one morse uses. the part where the stadium cuts it off and the crowd continues to the really high note is awesome.
seems like every team has 1 or 2 great walk-up songs, the rest are awful.
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AS you probably know, Morse didn't play yesterday, so missed his.
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werth's is one of my favorites. i love the song, and it totally fits his slow walk to the plate.
i really like that 80s synth-y one morse uses. the part where the stadium cuts it off and the crowd continues to the really high note is awesome.
seems like every team has 1 or 2 great walk-up songs, the rest are awful.
It's hilarious, everyone the stadium sings along with "Take On Me", I like how it's a thing now. ITS SO A THING!
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Apparently my sign made it on MASN last night. I didn't tape the game. Did anyone see it?
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I did not see it but I was seated clear across the stadium.
Headed back to the Yard tonight. We better take the next two.
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I expect THREE hits from you tonight.
I did not see it but I was seated clear across the stadium.
Headed back to the Yard tonight. We better take the next two.
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Didn't see the sign. Will be there tonight. Definitely need a W.
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Will be there Saturday and Sunday. Wish I was going again tonight, but I need to stay home and get some rest! (after watching the game of course)
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Yes, the Orioles did get rid of John Miller. So did ESPN. No idea why either of them would as he rules.
Angelos fired Jon Miller in 1996 because he was often too candid for him, citing a desire for a broadcaster who would "bleed more orange and black."
Miller now does SF Giants games. I won't tell you what color they are.
As for ESPN, I think they really wanted Joe Morgan gone, but axed the team. They offered Miller the radio gig, but he said no thank you and now just works the Giants games.
He really is a pleasure to listen to.
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I think Pete didn't like the fact that Miller did so much outside of O's games - espn for instance. Ironically Gary Thorne now seems to do the same thing.
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I expect THREE hits from you tonight.
Will do whatever it takes.
I'll be at the game tomorrow night, too. I plan to catch up on sleep on our off day.
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http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/bal/fan_forum/introduction.jsp
this is pretty awesome, I love Nick Johnson:
N. Johnson: "I Got 5 On It (Instrumental)" by Luniz
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Got 2 from the Pixies tonight - 'Monkey' for McLouth and 'Here Comes Your Man' for Ayala in relief.
Would rather have had a win though.
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The musical selections were as unexceptional as the game. Perhaps they had a minor league guy in charge of it (they were in charge of everything else)?
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Tough one last night! ugh.
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(http://www.sicovers.com/data/default/images/catalog/medium/SPR20121001BAL.jpg)
Uh-oh
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7 home runs. BAM.
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The O's better keep winning.
It seems pretty clear that Oakland, Tampa, and LA aren't going to lose anymore games (unless Tampa loses to the O's).
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Those teams are going DOWN.
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DOWN to the wire.
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(http://www.sicovers.com/data/default/images/catalog/medium/SPR20121001BAL.jpg)
Uh-oh
Is this the latest issue?!
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It is. Came out yesterday, allegedly. I need to go grab one.
The firework display was nothing short of awesome last night. Great way to end my three day residence at the yard.
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It seems pretty clear that Oakland, Tampa, and LA aren't going to lose anymore games (unless Tampa loses to the O's).
There's a good possibility that even with the additional Wild Card, 2 teams with 90 wins or more will miss the playoffs. That would be something.
The O's are also on the brink of a positive run differential, and we all know that makes all the difference in the world...
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Do me a favor and trade for Jim Thome so the Rangers don't. He's a huge upgrade over Nick Johnson.
It happened. We'll see how that goes.
Well, you gave up almost no one for him, so it's worth the chance. He's a great presence in the clubhouse and that could help during the slide.
It would be ironic if I ended up regretting this....
Jim Thome's stake in the playoff chase
September, 27, 2012
BALTIMORE -- In a city of row houses, it makes sense that the Orioles' success this year has been built game by game, at-bat by at-bat, pitch by pitch, brick by brick. They have one pitcher with more than 20 starts, a staff with one complete game and a bullpen that has contributed more than 500 innings. At the start of this season, their leadoff hitter was in Pittsburgh, their designated hitter was a pinch-hitter in Philadelphia and their third baseman was a shortstop in Bowie.
They had lost a few games this week, on Sunday to the Boston Red Sox and on Monday and Tuesday to the Toronto Blue Jays, shaving their lead for a wild-card berth enough to fuel anxiety. Deion Sanders was at Camden Yards on Wednesday to visit his old minor league manager, Buck Showalter, and to take some batting practice. When Showalter was asked whether Sanders' appearance might provide a needed distraction to lighten the mood, Showalter disagreed but acknowledged it was a fair question.
The Orioles needed a little jump-start, especially after falling behind 2-1 in the first 4½ innings against Carlos Villanueva, and it was Jim Thome who seemed to provide it.
Having faced Thome in the past, Showalter felt that the slugger would make needed adjustments pitch to pitch. A pitcher who stayed in a discernable pattern would become more vulnerable, because Thome would change when necessary.
And Villanueva had consistently pitched backward to the Orioles in the first innings Wednesday -- that is, throwing off-speed pitches in ball-strike counts when hitters might usually look for fastballs. Some hitters, who have made a lifetime of feasting on fastballs, struggle to adapt.
But in Thome's second at-bat, leading off the bottom of the fifth, he looked for a changeup and crushed it over the right-field wall for his 612th career homer. Thome explained after the game how Villanueva had been throwing so much off-speed stuff and how they talked about it in the Orioles' dugout, the type of group thought that can work.
Three batters later, Manny Machado -- who wasn't born until 10 months after Thome made his major league debut -- had a 2-1 count, and he jumped another non-fastball, a changeup, for the Orioles' third homer of the night. (Nate McLouth had homered in the first). Before the inning was over, Chris Davis -- who had seen nothing but sliders -- hammered a slider for a three-run homer.
Showalter mentioned after the game, after the Orioles finished with seven homers, how Thome had changed a lot in this victory with his adjustment.
Pitch by pitch. At-bat by at-bat. Brick by brick.
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Good news. A's lose.
Good news 2 - Halos lose.
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As did LA ;D
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Thanks Toronto. Go White Sox! A Sox win and the night will be perfect.
As did LA ;D
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What I meant to say is the O's better sweep the Sox, because if the Rays are still in the race after this weekend, those three games in Tampa are going to be pretty tough.
The O's better keep winning.
It seems pretty clear that Oakland, Tampa, and LA aren't going to lose anymore games (unless Tampa loses to the O's).
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And they're at the worst stadium in the world.
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And they're at the worst stadium in the world.
Have you been there?
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It is the only stadium I have absolutely zero desire to visit. I can't even watch the games the Orioles play there with sound. Even Joe Angel rips it when they play there. It's so loud and the ground is gray.
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As did LA ;D
Good news 2 - Halos lose.
That's it for the Angels. They really needed to take all 6 from Seattle because I don't see them sweeping Texas - the Rangers are just a better team. It was going to take all 6 from Seattle and probably 2 out of 3 from Texas to make it.
It will take a monumental collapse from either leader just to tie at this point.
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It is the only stadium I have absolutely zero desire to visit. I can't even watch the games the Orioles play there with sound. Even Joe Angel rips it when they play there. It's so loud and the ground is gray.
I've been there. It definitely has its issues (location #1), but it's not nearly as bad as it's been maligned. But, you go ahead and hate. When the hO's fall back to their rightful place of pushing 100 losses next year and the Rays are contending for a playoff berth, you just remind yourself how awful their stadium is.
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Tropicana is easily among the worst I've vistited. It's just boring. It's not as awful as many say but it's bad nonetheless.
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You're giving up too early on your team. Can they start Weaver in both of the remaining Texas games?
As did LA ;D
Good news 2 - Halos lose.
That's it for the Angels. They really needed to take all 6 from Seattle because I don't see them sweeping Texas - the Rangers are just a better team. It was going to take all 6 from Seattle and probably 2 out of 3 from Texas to make it.
It will take a monumental collapse from either leader just to tie at this point.
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Well would you look at that ... +7 now. First time in the black since 6/24.
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You're giving up too early on your team. Can they start Weaver in both of the remaining Texas games?
As did LA ;D
Good news 2 - Halos lose.
That's it for the Angels. They really needed to take all 6 from Seattle because I don't see them sweeping Texas - the Rangers are just a better team. It was going to take all 6 from Seattle and probably 2 out of 3 from Texas to make it.
It will take a monumental collapse from either leader just to tie at this point.
As an Orioles' fan I think he should just be happy his team got this far. ;D
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Hard to believe the O's could finish the night with the best record in the AL with three games to go and still not have a playoff birth in hand.
Go Texas.
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O's are in!!!
;D
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Congrats. You deserve to be there, and so do the A's. I'm absolutely rooting for you.
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Congrats. You deserve to be there, and so do the A's. I'm absolutely rooting for you.
thank you!
It was beyond exciting to be at the Yard this weekend.
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It is the only stadium I have absolutely zero desire to visit. I can't even watch the games the Orioles play there with sound. Even Joe Angel rips it when they play there. It's so loud and the ground is gray.
I've been there. It definitely has its issues (location #1), but it's not nearly as bad as it's been maligned. But, you go ahead and hate. When the hO's fall back to their rightful place of pushing 100 losses next year and the Rays are contending for a playoff berth, you just remind yourself how awful their stadium is.
I didn't malign your team. Just the stadium they play in....and our team is called the Orioles....
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Reading all these slides really made my head hurt.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1353502-breaking-down-the-american-league-playoff-picture-with-3-days-to-go#/articles/1353502-breaking-down-the-american-league-playoff-picture-with-3-days-to-go
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owie.
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Read a great article about Nate McClouth over the weekend. Nearly brought tears to my eyes, until I remembered he is a healthy 30 year old multi-millionaire. Now I can't find the article. Anybody know which one I'm talking about?
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stadiums are so overrated.... as is ballpark food...i don't understand people who go to games only to spend their time chowing and talking about food...i guess its like people who eat at gas stations or something... i don't know why people care so much about that stuff... all i care about is the baseball... i remember watching the nats at RFK and yeah the stadium and food sucked but i still had a great time
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Read a great article about Nate McClouth over the weekend. Nearly brought tears to my eyes, until I remembered he is a healthy 30 year old multi-millionaire. Now I can't find the article. Anybody know which one I'm talking about?
This one? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/bs-sp-orioles-nate-mclouth-0930-20120929,0,6628192.story)
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stadiums are so overrated.... as is ballpark food...i don't understand people who go to games only to spend their time chowing and talking about food...i guess its like people who eat at gas stations or something... i don't know why people care so much about that stuff... all i care about is the baseball... i remember watching the nats at RFK and yeah the stadium and food sucked but i still had a great time
I love seeing baseball games at different stadiums. I love talking to fans of the home team, and seeing different teams play. Eventually, I'll get to all the ones I want to see. I think most stadiums are really great! I just don't have much of a desire to see the dome stadiums which don't have retractable roofs.
I take my own food to Orioles games.
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Thanks, that's the one!
Read a great article about Nate McClouth over the weekend. Nearly brought tears to my eyes, until I remembered he is a healthy 30 year old multi-millionaire. Now I can't find the article. Anybody know which one I'm talking about?
This one? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/bs-sp-orioles-nate-mclouth-0930-20120929,0,6628192.story)
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stadiums I've been to...
Nats
O's
Yankees
Cubs
White Sox
Rockies
D'backs
Mariners
Giants
Padres (old stadium)
gosh, is that really it?
always bring your own food if that's an option!
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Camden Yards
Memorial Stadium
Nationals Stadium
PNC
Petco
SafeCo
Wrigley (twice)
Fenway
Driven past a few more, but I don't think that counts!
Hoping to go out to San Fransisco next year to see the Orioles play the Giants and then drive down and go to Petco again. We shall see.
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Stadiums I have not been to:
Angels
Mariners
Braves
Marlins
Reds
Astros
Padres
Diamondbacks
Tigers
Rays
although I think I've been outside most of those
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RFK
Nats Stadium
Camden Yards
Florida Marlins old one ..I think in Broward somewhere in the middle of nowhere
Candlestick
Wrigley
pretty weak I know but stadiums just don't get me that jazzed up.... Wrigley was awesome though..
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Cubs suck.
I enjoyed laughing at all of the North Side douchebags see their pathetic team lose.
RFK
Nats Stadium
Camden Yards
Florida Marlins old one ..I think in Broward somewhere in the middle of nowhere
Candlestick
Wrigley
pretty weak I know but stadiums just don't get me that jazzed up.... Wrigley was awesome though..
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I didn't malign your team. Just the stadium they play in....and our team is called the Orioles....
The Rays aren't my team. Just tired of lazy armchair quarterbacking by hO's fans who haven't even been to the stadium.
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Cubs suck.
I enjoyed laughing at all of the North Side douchebags see their pathetic team lose.
Hey, me too. Cubs fans are the most pathetic sacks of shit ever to grace Earth. I even laugh at them on the Metro. They deserve it.
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Cubs suck.
I enjoyed laughing at all of the North Side douchebags see their pathetic team lose.
Hey, me too. Cubs fans are the most pathetic sacks of shit ever to grace Earth. I even laugh at them on the Metro. They deserve it.
sure love that stadium
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Sounds amazing...
Tropicana Field -- 217 Critical Violations
Tropicana Field -- 217 Critical Violations
Tropicana Field
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Minor Violations: 112
Highlighted Violations:
Various raw animal based products stored not properly separated from one another.
Same pair of tongs used to handle two different animal products.
Build up of slime and soil on the interior of several ice machines.
An employee handling food had fingernails that were long enough to prevent the proper wearing of protective gloves.
Steak thawing at room temperature.
Employees were seen handling money and also handling food without changing gloves.
A prepared shrimp sandwich was being held at 82 degrees.
Source: Florida Division of Business and Professional Regulation
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mlb-stadium-food-safety-violations-2011-3?op=1#ixzz2842FA4oC
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So, what does everyone think will happen this week? I'm guessing we'll be going to a Wild Card game on Friday, but I do also have high hopes to beat the Yankees.
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And by "we", I mean me and my friends :)
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Reading all these slides really made my head hurt.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1353502-breaking-down-the-american-league-playoff-picture-with-3-days-to-go#/articles/1353502-breaking-down-the-american-league-playoff-picture-with-3-days-to-go
Seems to me the loser of a divisional tie-break game should be considered the #1 wild card team. This seems to contradict that notion.
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I didn't malign your team. Just the stadium they play in....and our team is called the Orioles....
The Rays aren't my team. Just tired of lazy armchair quarterbacking by hO's fans who haven't even been to the stadium.
Agreed. We should all have informed opinions before we post anything on this board. Like you for instance.
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I have NOT been to the Trop (will not watch baseball indoors), the newish Milwaukee and Nationals stadium (if you can believe that!) and the new Minnesota and Florida stadiums. That's it. I saw the old versions of each of those stadiums, though.
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How was the new Miami stadium? It looks wonderful!
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I have NOT been to the Trop (will not watch baseball indoors)
my fondest memory of the Trop nee ThunderDome: April 21, 1996 - Game 3 of the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs, Bolts v. Flyers
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/05/Lightning/Six_Days.shtml
On a Sunday afternoon, Tampa Bay, (Florida!) became Hockeytown. A crowd of 25,945 - the most ever to watch an NHL game - shouldered their way into what is now Tropicana Field.
"It was almost like a Bucs game," Zamuner said. "There were signs everywhere, you couldn't even see the crowd."
Even the Flyers were impressed. Then and now.
"What was it called (then)? The ThunderDome?" Lindros said. "It was incredible. It really was. That's a huge number of people, just enormous. In hockey, you think of (Joe Louis Arena in Detroit), which is a little over 20 grand. There, you bumped it up seven eight more grand."
In a wild game, the Flyers took leads of 3-1 and 4-3, but Game 2 hero Bellows scored 79 seconds into the third period and the teams again headed for overtime.
"That day, Terry (Crisp) wore a hockey tie and there was a scoreboard on it," Crisp's wife, Sheila, recalls. "The score said 5-4. On the back of the tie was the name of the kid who drew the picture for the tie. His name was Jeff. Our son's name is Jeff. We figured that was a good omen. We were meant to win."
The Lightning did. At 2:04 of overtime, Selivanov scored what still ranks as the greatest goal in franchise history to give the Bolts a 2-1 lead in the series.
"I've done a lot of things in my career," then-Lightning general manager Phil Esposito said. "I've won Stanley Cups, played in All-Star games, made it to the Hall of Fame. But that moment, when Alex scored that goal, still is the most thrilling thing I've ever been a part of."
"At that moment," Reese said, "I was convinced we were going to win the series."
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Apparently tickets to break a would be Yanks/O's tie on Thursday go on sale tomorrow (Tues) at 2pm. Game would be in Bmore due to a tiebreaker.
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Yes, that didn't make sense to me at all.
Tie the Yankees and lose a playoff to them and you have to fly to the West Coast to play Oakland the next day? EVEN IF YOU HAD A BETTER RECORD THAN OAKLAND? Or did I read that wrong?
Reading all these slides really made my head hurt.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1353502-breaking-down-the-american-league-playoff-picture-with-3-days-to-go#/articles/1353502-breaking-down-the-american-league-playoff-picture-with-3-days-to-go
Seems to me the loser of a divisional tie-break game should be considered the #1 wild card team. This seems to contradict that notion.
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Tampa doesn't deserve the team they have. 15K tonight? Pathetic.
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Or did I read that wrong?
I think you read that wrong.
The only way the O's or Yanks have to fly to Oakland or Texas is if all three are tied.
Two-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Club Outside Division For One Wild Card Spot:
1. One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.
2. A second tiebreak game will be played on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) between the loser of the game to determine the Division Champion and the team from the other division at the ballpark of the team in the other division to determine the Wild Card.
That's ONLY if it's a 3-way tie.
Otherwise, the team with the better record hosts the wild card game.
In both of these scenarios that he lays out, the records are a three way tie:
so what happens if all three teams finish the year with the same record?
It could happen pretty easily, actually. If the Orioles and Yankees both lose two out of three to finish the season and the A's win two out of three, then all three teams would end the season with a record of 93-69.
Thankfully, the tiebreaker scenario for this situation is quite simple.
First, the Orioles and Yankees would do battle for the AL East title on Thursday. Again, the game would be in Baltimore, as the O's have already clinched a better AL East record than the Yankees.
The loser of that game would play the A's on Friday. The tiebreaking rules would call for the A's to host the game, so the loser of the O's vs. Yanks tilt on Thursday would immediately have to fly across the country to Oakland.
Now, a scenario such as this could also come to pass if the A's sweep the Rangers while the Orioles and Yankees both lose two out of three in their final series, as the Rangers would find themselves with a record of 93-69.
If so, it would be the same thing. The O's and Yanks would play in Baltimore on Thursday, and the winner would head to Texas for a do-or-die wild card game on Friday.
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Seems to me the loser of a divisional tie-break game should be considered the #1 wild card team. This seems to contradict that notion.
Why would you think that?
I'm sure MLB's rationale had something to do with TV trucks getting set up or travel arrangements or some like that, so I agree that their rationale isn't any better, but I'm just wondering why you would argue that case.
For the record, I think it should be head-to-head and Oakland is 5-4 against the O's this season, but 5-5 against the Yanks, so go figure.
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Apparently tickets to break a would be Yanks/O's tie on Thursday go on sale tomorrow (Tues) at 2pm. Game would be in Bmore due to a tiebreaker.
Red Sox are laying down. There won't be a tie-breaker.
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i read that this is the case if it's oakland and baltimore in the wild card.
wild card will be in Oakland regardless or records, they go by the head go head.
For the record, I think it should be head-to-head and Oakland is 5-4 against the O's this season, but 5-5 against the Yanks, so go figure.
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Apparently tickets to break a would be Yanks/O's tie on Thursday go on sale tomorrow (Tues) at 2pm. Game would be in Bmore due to a tiebreaker.
Red Sox are laying down. There won't be a tie-breaker.
Yeah, thanks Red Sox.. Looks like tix actually go on sale at 12pm for area residents, open to NY at 2pm.. But it looks like it will be the wildcard for the O's so I won't bother. Updated bracket:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/postseasonpicture.jsp
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i read that this is the case if it's oakland and baltimore in the wild card.
wild card will be in Oakland regardless or records, they go by the head go head.
Well, I'm not sure where you read that but it's ABSOLUTELY incorrect.
The home team for the wild card is the team with the best record.
In the event of a tie, it goes like this:
1. Head-to-head winning percentage during the 2012 regular season.
2. Higher winning percentage in intradivision games.
3. Higher winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games.
4. Higher winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game, provided that such additional game was not between the two tied clubs. Continue to go back one intraleague game at a time until the tie has been broken.
The only anomaly is the case of a three way tie with one division deciding game, then the loser of the division game to the other teams stadium, rather than head to head record deciding.
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Seems to me the loser of a divisional tie-break game should be considered the #1 wild card team. This seems to contradict that notion.
Why would you think that?
I'm sure MLB's rationale had something to do with TV trucks getting set up or travel arrangements or some like that, so I agree that their rationale isn't any better, but I'm just wondering why you would argue that case.
For the record, I think it should be head-to-head and Oakland is 5-4 against the O's this season, but 5-5 against the Yanks, so go figure.
It's almost like by losing the tiebreaker you're dropping 2 slots - down to WC #2. I understand the rules, but it just seems odd. I don't want to see them have to go to that football stadium from hell I guess.
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Very odd.
Let's concede that the O's finish second to the Yanks in the regular season, as many seem to be already.
Then they should hope for a Texas/Oakland tie. That way they (the O's) host the wild card game. As opposed to one team winning the West outright, then the O's would have to travel west (they lost season series to both Oakland and Teexas) to play the wild card game. Though since Texas is up by one with two to go and they're playing each other, one of them IS going to take it outright.
Hence, I guess we now know there is absolutely zero chance there will be a wild card game in Baltimore, right? They either win the division, or are the visiting wild card team.
Seems to me the loser of a divisional tie-break game should be considered the #1 wild card team. This seems to contradict that notion.
Why would you think that?
I'm sure MLB's rationale had something to do with TV trucks getting set up or travel arrangements or some like that, so I agree that their rationale isn't any better, but I'm just wondering why you would argue that case.
For the record, I think it should be head-to-head and Oakland is 5-4 against the O's this season, but 5-5 against the Yanks, so go figure.
It's almost like by losing the tiebreaker you're dropping 2 slots - down to WC #2. I understand the rules, but it just seems odd. I don't want to see them have to go to that football stadium from hell I guess.
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These rules seem as bogus and arbitrary as NASCAR rules (like when NASCAR gives drivers bonus points for each time they thank their corporate sponsors in a post-race interview....as opposed to the glory years of NASCAR when drivers earned bonus points for thanking the Good Lord in post-race interviews.)
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Apparently tickets to break a would be Yanks/O's tie on Thursday go on sale tomorrow (Tues) at 2pm. Game would be in Bmore due to a tiebreaker.
Tickets go on sale to season ticket holders at 10
Tickets go on sale to those in the MASN area at 12
General Public at 2
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There are still 2 games to play folks! Must win for the Orioles as it seems that the Red Sox are just putting in all their minor league players instead of actual players.
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Also, it would be nice if the Rangers would just step the f up.
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Hence, I guess we now know there is absolutely zero chance there will be a wild card game in Baltimore, right? They either win the division, or are the visiting wild card team.
If the Orioles win 2 (which they MUST) and Oakland loses 1 the WC game is in Baltimore. Unless the Yankees lose 1 then there will be a tiebreaker game 1st.
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Ah, ok thanks. I started thinking that might be the case after i typed the other post.
Hence, I guess we now know there is absolutely zero chance there will be a wild card game in Baltimore, right? They either win the division, or are the visiting wild card team.
If the Orioles win 2 (which they MUST) and Oakland loses 1 the WC game is in Baltimore. Unless the Yankees lose 1 then there will be a tiebreaker game 1st.
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There are still 2 games to play folks! Must win for the Orioles as it seems that the Red Sox are just putting in all their minor league players instead of actual players.
I'm not sure the Red Sox have any actual players left. ..and I say that as a Sox fan. Still, I would expect them to step up and try and put the screws to the Yankees. Yet more disappointment from this team.
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There are still 2 games to play folks! Must win for the Orioles as it seems that the Red Sox are just putting in all their minor league players instead of actual players.
I'm not sure the Red Sox have any actual players left. ..and I say that as a Sox fan. Still, I would expect them to step up and try and put the screws to the Yankees. Yet more disappointment from this team.
As a person who rooted for the Sox in the playoffs to beat the Yankees, I wish they would just beat the crap out of them! (anytime..not just now)
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Assuming we MUST root for the O's to win their final two games and they do, it seems like the scenarios would be:
1. Yanks win two, O's would either host wild card or travel for wild card
2. Yanks win one. One game divisional playoff, loser travels across the country to play a rested West team for the wild card the very next day.
3. Yanks win zero, O's win pennant.
As #3 is probably not very likely, would it be better to root for #1 or #2? If #1, that would mean cheering for the Yankees to win games...
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All I know is nobody can control their own destiny, regardless of how many times they say they can.
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Also, it would be nice if the Rangers would just step the f up.
If they totally roll over they may be coming to Camden Yards Friday.
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Just got 2 box seats for the tiebreaker. Hope they play it.
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I'd prefer the O's win two and the Yanks lose two. ;D
Just got 2 box seats for the tiebreaker. Hope they play it.
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Me too.
I would not be able to go to that tiebreaker game. I would definitely get into a fight. I am going to go see the Walkmen and gamecast it on my phone.
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But the Thursday tiebreak game is at 2pm. The Walkmen go on at 9:30. Plenty of time for both.
Me too.
I would not be able to go to that tiebreaker game. I would definitely get into a fight. I am going to go see the Walkmen and gamecast it on my phone.
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Shit.
I threw back the tickets.
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It's almost like by losing the tiebreaker you're dropping 2 slots - down to WC #2. I understand the rules, but it just seems odd. I don't want to see them have to go to that football stadium from hell I guess.
So if the A's and Angels were out of the picture, and the O's had a better record than the White Sox and Tigers, who finished tied for the central with 89 wins, you still think the loser of Det-Chi should be Wild Card #1?
I somehow doubt you'd argue that if the O's had 92 wins.
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I'm not sure the Red Sox have any actual players left. ..and I say that as a Sox fan. Still, I would expect them to step up and try and put the screws to the Yankees. Yet more disappointment from this team.
"The combined salaries for the players in the Boston lineup on Monday night were about $12.5 million, and there were five players in the Yankees' lineup who make more than that by themselves."
Eesh.
The bigger question is what the hell were the Yankees doing throwing CC in the 8th with a 7 run lead? I guess they're not expecting a one game playoff.
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But the Thursday tiebreak game is at 2pm. The Walkmen go on at 9:30. Plenty of time for both.
Me too.
I would not be able to go to that tiebreaker game. I would definitely get into a fight. I am going to go see the Walkmen and gamecast it on my phone.
How do you know the game would be at 2? There's no time on their page.
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So if the A's and Angels were out of the picture, and the O's had a better record than the White Sox and Tigers, who finished tied for the central with 89 wins, you still think the loser of Det-Chi should be Wild Card #1?
I somehow doubt you'd argue that if the O's had 92 wins.
Yeah - I thought about that scenario after I posted.
O's win 2 they play somebody at Camden Yards - simple as that.
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I read it somewhere but can't find it now. Maybe I'm confusing it with the fact that tickets went on sale at 2.
It almost seems like a necessity.
If the Yankees or Orioles are required to fly to Oakland or Texas for a Thursday wildcard game, they're not going to make them do it overnight or during the day Thursday.
Same thing if the Rangers or A's are required to come East.
But the Thursday tiebreak game is at 2pm. The Walkmen go on at 9:30. Plenty of time for both.
Me too.
I would not be able to go to that tiebreaker game. I would definitely get into a fight. I am going to go see the Walkmen and gamecast it on my phone.
How do you know the game would be at 2? There's no time on their page.
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I read it somewhere but can't find it now. Maybe I'm confusing it with the fact that tickets went on sale at 2.
It almost seems like a necessity.
You seem to be forgetting where you've been reading a lot of things these days...
They have not announced a time. 2PM was the time that the tickets would be available to the general public (after a MASN viewing area only time slot from noon-2, which I loved!).
I have a tough time seeing MLB/TBS giving up a Primetime audience for a tie breaker with the Yankees involved, but we'll see.
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Unfortunately a lot of Yankee fans live in the MASN viewing area.
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Unfortunately a lot of Yankee fans live in the MASN viewing area.
Not as many as would be willing to fly/train/drive down from NY-NJ-CT...
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I'm 9 rows from the Yankees' on-deck circle. If there's a God in heaven this game must be played!!!
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Oh, so close.
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I am going to wait to see what time it will be. I can always grab a ticket off stubhub!
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Red Sox completely blew it. I only hoped for them to win one and last night was it.
Just win tonight and host the wild card on Friday. That's the plan. Maybe the tiebreaker if we're lucky.
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Also, my head hurts.
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Boston's starter tonight is 1-6 with a 7.68 era.
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I think the O's should save Tillman for the wild card game (or division tiebreaker).
Throw Zach Britton out theree tonight in the arguably less meaningful game.
Anyone else have an opinion?
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I think the O's should save Tillman for the wild card game (or division tiebreaker).
Throw Zach Britton out theree tonight in the arguably less meaningful game.
Anyone else have an opinion?
I think you can make a case for that. But Buck seems to be pushing the right buttons this year.
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Throw Zach Britton out theree tonight in the arguably less meaningful game.
We need to win order to ensure a home game for the wild card. We don't play well in Oakland or Texas.
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Yeah, unfortunately there's enough still at stake - home wild card game plus a chance at the division - that you've got to go with Tillman. I may feel differently when Joe Saunders is facing the Rangers on Friday, though.
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What makes you think that Britton against a Tampa club and crowd that doesn't give a shit equals automatic loss?
Throw Zach Britton out theree tonight in the arguably less meaningful game.
We need to win order to ensure a home game for the wild card. We don't play well in Oakland or Texas.
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Hang on to your hats....Rangers/A's play now. Heading home from work to watch it!
LET'S GO ORIOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What makes you think that Britton against a Tampa club and crowd that doesn't give a shit equals automatic loss?
Tampa is hardly playing like a team that has packed it in (like, say, Boston).
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Hang on to your hats....Rangers/A's play now. Heading home from work to watch it!
In the almost 10 years I've lived in the Bay Area, I've turned an A's game (not involving the Angels) on TV exactly once: about the 6th inning of Dallas Braden's no-hitter.
Today is the second.
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Throw Zach Britton out theree tonight in the arguably less meaningful game.
We need to win order to ensure a home game for the wild card. We don't play well in Oakland or Texas.
I agree with this. Plus there's always the chance (albeit slight) that the Yankees will lose. Let's wait until Friday to worry about Friday.
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Not a good day for Hamilton. Looks like Rangers get the wild card.
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I guess my wild card ticket purchase was useless.
Plus I want to throw up.
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so rangers play o's..that is what i understand
kind of sucks..
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Suire, if you assume the games being played right now end after four/five innings.
so rangers play o's..that is what i understand
kind of sucks..
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I just want a home playoff game. Is that asking too much?
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Based on the way they're playing tonight, perhaps. :(
Putting Arrieta in makes it seem like they're thowing in the towel on this one.I just want a home playoff game. Is that asking too much?
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I don't understand how the Rays miss the playoffs with the pitching they have.
I'm thinking Hammel is a possibility for Friday.
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69-93 in '11
93-69 in '12
Well done, O's. Let's keep the season going.
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Let's go Nats!
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Go play in your own sandbox.
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I just want a home playoff game. Is that asking too much?
Me too. Meeeeeee toooooooo.
They were talking on 105.7 this morning that they might put in Saunders. Who's 0-6 in Arlington.
I'm worried.
I feel like someone stole my puppy. Sad today. But, still happy that it's been such an amazing season!
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They were swinging at EVERY PITCH.
annoying.
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I expect a half-dozen pitchers in this game. Let Stevie Johnson start.
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Agreed.
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Saunders hasn't pitched against them lately and I'm sure he will be on a very short leash. If hje can get through 3 innings I would be very happy.
Guess I'll decide on Saturday whether to frame or recycle my wild card tickets.
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Saunders hasn't pitched against them lately and I'm sure he will be on a very short leash. If hje can get through 3 innings I would be very happy.
Guess I'll decide on Saturday whether to frame or recycle my wild card tickets.
You don't want a refund? Have they announced yet how they are handling that?
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FWIW, this column is saying S. Johnson will start.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-in-onegame-wild-card-playoff-expect-showalter-to-pull-out-all-the-stops-20121003,0,7659383.story
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Saunders hasn't pitched against them lately and I'm sure he will be on a very short leash. If hje can get through 3 innings I would be very happy.
Guess I'll decide on Saturday whether to frame or recycle my wild card tickets.
You don't want a refund? Have they announced yet how they are handling that?
I haven't looked into the O's process, but for Nationals games it was all online sales and any games not played are automatically credited back to the credit card which purchased them.
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They're going to refund our credit cards.
Oh, I am framing those tickets. Regardless of what happens, this season has been amazing.
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Ticketmaster stands to collect about $35 from me so far on 4 useless tickets to 2 unplayed games.
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FWIW, this column is saying S. Johnson will start.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-in-onegame-wild-card-playoff-expect-showalter-to-pull-out-all-the-stops-20121003,0,7659383.story
Yippee, it's Saunders.
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Ticketmaster stands to collect about $35 from me so far on 4 useless tickets to 2 unplayed games.
Do they keep the service charge?
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Ticketmaster stands to collect about $35 from me so far on 4 useless tickets to 2 unplayed games.
Do they keep the service charge?
Yep. All of them. It's a 'convenience'.
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"The credit card account holder of record will be credited for the face value of the ticket and the per ticket convenience fee. Per order processing, shipping and handling fees are non-refundable."
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/bal/ticketing/ticket_refund.jsp
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"The credit card account holder of record will be credited for the face value of the ticket and the per ticket convenience fee. Per order processing, shipping and handling fees are non-refundable."
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/bal/ticketing/ticket_refund.jsp
Okay. That's a little easier to take.
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So glad I don't have cable.
Anytime I've gotten really pessimistic this year, the O's have risen tho the occasion and proven me wrong. Hope they do it again tonight.
Though I think this "Buck is always right" mentality that some fans have taken on is a bit foolish.
FWIW, this column is saying S. Johnson will start.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-in-onegame-wild-card-playoff-expect-showalter-to-pull-out-all-the-stops-20121003,0,7659383.story
Yippee, it's Saunders.
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I listened to Brittany G. this morning and she made some points that were pretty good. Steve Johnson's knee isn't 100%. he can pitch, but it's not 100% and that would likely be in the back of his mind. Plus, he's a rookie and the pressure would be alot for him tonight.
Whereas Saunders has a little more confidence in the postseason, and with the bullpen stacked, hopefully he only needs to be spot on for 3-4 innings.
what the Orioles need is for the bats to come alive early and shake up the Rangers. I hope that happens.
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Though I think this "Buck is always right" mentality that some fans have taken on is a bit foolish.
He's been right a lot more than he's been wrong. And he sure knows how to manage a bullpen.
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Though I think this "Buck is always right" mentality that some fans have taken on is a bit foolish.
He's been right a lot more than he's been wrong. And he sure knows how to manage a bullpen.
yes.
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It has been nearly five years since he set foot in Camden Yards. But if the Orioles advance to host American League Division Series games this weekend, Jay Gibbons will be there, clad in orange and black, whooping it up in the cheap seats with a mob of playoff-starved fans.
"Are you kidding me? That is something I just can't miss," said Gibbons, an Orioles outfielder from 2001 through 2007, during the team's darker days. "Things were so tough for so long, and I always wanted to make the playoffs.
"I'll get my Orioles cap out of the garage, fly in from California, wear my Brian Roberts jersey and sit in the right-field bleachers."
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The Orioles have few bigger fans than Gibbons, 35, the onetime slugger who retired from baseball this year.
"It's so much fun to finally see them winning, even all the way from California," he said. "I shot [trainer] Richie Bancells a text message awhile back and asked him, 'Is this all for real?' He shot back, 'We're praying.'
"I've been on the phone constantly, checking their scores. My wife says, 'Give it up, you don't play for them any more.' But I can't help it."
The Orioles' success helps to shelve thoughts of the lost years, said Gibbons, who'd rather return here anonymously.
"Those were tough times, like in 2002, when we lost 32 of our last 36 games. So I don't need to reminisce when I come back to Baltimore," he said. "Just a 'Hi, Howya doin?' from a fan or two would be fine. I don't want to get eggs thrown at me, or anything."
All Gibbons wants is to sit in the stands and soak up the fervor. Better late than never.
"The atmosphere at the ballpark will be crazy," he said. "I remember going to Ravens games and thinking, 'Man, it would be nice if we had that at our park.'
"Now, we will. And I have to be part of that."
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Though I think this "Buck is always right" mentality that some fans have taken on is a bit foolish.
He's been right a lot more than he's been wrong. And he sure knows how to manage a bullpen.
He's made a believer out of me, and I was clearly one of the most vocal about how it wouldn't end well because of the pitching.
Saunders threw well on the road in 09 for the Angels in the playoffs, but as always, he has to avoid the big inning. If he gets threw 3-4 innings without much damage, quick hook in the 5th on...
Oh, and last night while I was dreaming about what could have been, I got pissed that 2/3 of the teams that had players caught with steroids made the playoffs. Bartolo clearly had a one game effect on his teams record (I'd argue a 4-5 game effect, myself) and while I don't think it meant Anaheim would have made the playoffs, it definitely cost the O's a home Wild Card game.
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I have my Jay Gibbons bobblehead on my desk at work!
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not feeling good about the game tonight...but...let's go o's!!
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Kind of funny that he'd choose to wear the jersey of his fellow glory years roidmate, Brian Roberts.
I have my Jay Gibbons bobblehead on my desk at work!
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Hope the O's aren't as tight as the Braves. Man.
They play 'Country Boy' during the stretch???
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The ump made the right call throw the manager out of the game and play baseball I want to see the o's game.
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two batters two men on. Time to yank Saunders.
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two batters two men on. Time to yank Saunders.
Seeing the game is much different than hearing the game.
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So stressed out right now! 4 outs to go
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Bring on the Yankees.
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I think Tammy's the better Darvish.
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two batters two men on. Time to yank Saunders.
Your baseball acumen is off the charts.
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Wooooo Hooooo Orioles Magic!!!!!!
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-schmuck-orioles-column-1006-20121006,0,5481883.column
It's sad that this guy looks forward to a Brian Roberts return.
WE DON'T WANT BRIAN ROBERTS ON THE TEAM ANYMORE. LET HIM THUMP HIS BIBLE ELSEWHERE.
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If you have an O's ticket you can get into the Ottobar for free tonight to see Melvins.
"Going to the oriole's game? Bring your stub in after & you get into the melvins show for free!"
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If you have an O's ticket you can get into the Ottobar for free tonight to see Melvins.
"Going to the oriole's game? Bring your stub in after & you get into the melvins show for free!"
that is super cool promotion..
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Not really, given that the game will probably end after then show, at this point.
If you have an O's ticket you can get into the Ottobar for free tonight to see Melvins.
"Going to the oriole's game? Bring your stub in after & you get into the melvins show for free!"
that is super cool promotion..
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Why is Tillman not scheduled to start at all in this series despite being the O's "strongest starter".
Starters: Not only do the Yankees have the big-name guys, but their rotation is set up like Joe Girardi wanted it, with CC Sabathia positioned to work Games 1 and 5 and Andy Pettitte, the all-time leader in playoff starts, taking the tough assignment at Camden Yards. The Orioles aren't exactly featuring Palmer, Cuellar and McNally. Baltimore needed 12 starters in the regular season and only Wei-Yin Chen made more than 20 starts. Right-hander Chris Tillman started the year in Triple A but has emerged as the Orioles' strongest starter. Edge: Yankees
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Why is Lew Ford starting tonight? Complete waste of a batting spot.
There, now that I said that, he'll have a monster game.
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well that sucked
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Really? I had a wonderful time at the game. The Orioles just played a freakin' postseason game. Would it have been great if they'd won? yes. But, the atmosphere there last night was phenomenal.
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Not really, given that the game will probably end after then show, at this point.
If you have an O's ticket you can get into the Ottobar for free tonight to see Melvins.
"Going to the oriole's game? Bring your stub in after & you get into the melvins show for free!"
that is super cool promotion..
Very cool except that the game wasn't over until 12:30.
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Getting home at 1:30 sucked. But everything that led up that - with the exception of the final score - was wonderful.
Gonna stay positive. Bought ALCS tix this morning and I expect to be using them next week.
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Why is Lew Ford starting tonight? Complete waste of a batting spot.
There, now that I said that, he'll have a monster game.
Please work your magic on somebody in the line up tonight. Preferably someone in the middle of the order.
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Last night's game was great! Glad I watched it on the couch as I'm nursing a cold and I have to run the Baltimore Marathon on Saturday. Got ALCS tickets yesterday. Hope to be back at the Yard next week!
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Sorry I missed your post.
Here's my latest request. Pitch Tillman in Game 4, Saunders in Game 5. No need to throw Hammel again. Maybe well rested pitching is the key at this point. Case in point, Chen last night.
Why is Lew Ford starting tonight? Complete waste of a batting spot.
There, now that I said that, he'll have a monster game.
Please work your magic on somebody in the line up tonight. Preferably someone in the middle of the order.
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So when the Orioles play the Tigers in the ALCS, who gets home field advantage?
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So when the Orioles play the Tigers in the ALCS, who gets home field advantage?
The Division Champion hosts Games 1, 2, 6 and 7.
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Went to both games. Incredible atmosphere not dampened by the weather. Hoping to get to the next game - time for the black towels?
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Went to both games. Incredible atmosphere not dampened by the weather. Hoping to get to the next game - time for the black towels?
The next home game would be October 16. I'd be willing to miss The Hold Steady at the Ottobar if it meant another O's playoff game.
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Hoping to get a black towel next tuesday! Would also be going on Wednesday...
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Frank Deford loves the Orioles (http://www.npr.org/2012/10/10/162566872/why-you-should-root-root-root-for-the-home-team)
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Would be nice to win the next two so we don't have to see CC again.
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Can we assume they wouldn't bring him back on three days rest for game four if they lost tonight?
Would be nice to win the next two so we don't have to see CC again.
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Can we assume they wouldn't bring him back on three days rest for game four if they lost tonight?
Would be nice to win the next two so we don't have to see CC again.
Girardi announced Hughes as Game 4 starter. Doesn't mean he can't change his mind, but that would look like a panic move.
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Can we assume they wouldn't bring him back on three days rest for game four if they lost tonight?
Would be nice to win the next two so we don't have to see CC again.
Girardi announced Hughes as Game 4 starter. Doesn't mean he can't change his mind, but that would look like a panic move.
Panic at 1-1? The Yankees?
:D :D :D :D :D
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We're talking Game 4 assuming they're one game from being eliminated.
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Fine, let them be overconfident. I'd choose to face a rested Hughes over Fatass on three days rest.
Can we assume they wouldn't bring him back on three days rest for game four if they lost tonight?
Would be nice to win the next two so we don't have to see CC again.
Girardi announced Hughes as Game 4 starter. Doesn't mean he can't change his mind, but that would look like a panic move.
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ballsy call to pinch hit for Arod in the bottom of the ninth. And a smart call.
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Crushing. Not sure they can recover from it. Like the Nats they just can't score.
Saunders tomorrow. Gotta get the horseshoe from Ibanez.
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Crushing. Not sure they can recover from it. Like the Nats they just can't score.
Saunders tomorrow. Gotta get the horseshoe from Ibanez.
Well at least the quality of pitching is going down tomorrow for the yankees. Hopefully they can get a blow-out. I wouldn't put JJ back in a game again this series. He is the Orioles version of Billy Cundiff.
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ballsy call to pinch hit for Arod in the bottom of the ninth. And a smart call.
I don't think I've seen anything like it. It absolutely risks dividing the clubhouse if it goes wrong, but instead it worked out way better then even Girardi imagined. Gutsy f'in call.
He sat Jeter and A-Rod in back to innings and comes back on the O's for the first time in their season. I'm still shaking my head.
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Orioles hitting .208 in the series. That's gotta change. And fast.
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Adam Jones needs a good night. Last night sucked.
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.177 with 16 runs scored in seven October games.
Orioles hitting .208 in the series. That's gotta change. And fast.
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If the Orioles are up by one in the ninth tonight, who are you going to give the ball to?
Crushing. Not sure they can recover from it. Like the Nats they just can't score.
Saunders tomorrow. Gotta get the horseshoe from Ibanez.
Well at least the quality of pitching is going down tomorrow for the yankees. Hopefully they can get a blow-out. I wouldn't put JJ back in a game again this series. He is the Orioles version of Billy Cundiff.
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pitching wasn't the problem last night...hitting sure was
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Agreed. They need to hit the ball. i'm not blaming it on the pitching.
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pitching wasn't the problem last night...hitting sure was
well if you have given up a blown save and a loss in the first 3 games of the series and have given up what 6 runs in less than 4 innings. I think we can complain about your pitching. Gonzalez and O'Day were stellar but JJ lost that game. Just like he lost the first game. With Strop not being able to be trusted and JJ totally choking the Orioles have no plan at all for closing games.
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funny this is the same discussion we' re having on the nats thread.. pitching or hitting? who is to blame
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well if you have given up a blown save and a loss in the first 3 games of the series and have given up what 6 runs in less than 4 innings. I think we can complain about your pitching. Gonzalez and O'Day were stellar but JJ lost that game. Just like he lost the first game. With Strop not being able to be trusted and JJ totally choking the Orioles have no plan at all for closing games.
Agreed. Doesn't excuse Adam Jones from being pretty awful. Wieters and Hardy haven't hit, either. A lot of blame to go aruond but JJ flat out lost the game last night. Don't see him pitching at all tonight so we'll see what Buck does.
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Johnson only threw 22 pitches last night. If the situation calls for it I'm sure Buck won't hesitate to use him. Here's hoping they have a big enough lead and won't need to.
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If he does pitch, I predict one inning and he doesn't allow a run. You don't save 51 games and then fall apart every time you go out there.
Johnson only threw 22 pitches last night. If the situation calls for it I'm sure Buck won't hesitate to use him. Here's hoping they have a big enough lead and won't need to.
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Told y'all so.
If he does pitch, I predict one inning and he doesn't allow a run. You don't save 51 games and then fall apart every time you go out there.Johnson only threw 22 pitches last night. If the situation calls for it I'm sure Buck won't hesitate to use him. Here's hoping they have a big enough lead and won't need to.
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10,000+ tickets available on stubhub for tonight's game starting at $18.
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Told y'all so.
If he does pitch, I predict one inning and he doesn't allow a run. You don't save 51 games and then fall apart every time you go out there.Johnson only threw 22 pitches last night. If the situation calls for it I'm sure Buck won't hesitate to use him. Here's hoping they have a big enough lead and won't need to.
How on earth did you predict a closer to pitch one inning and allow no runs?
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10,000+ tickets available on stubhub for tonight's game starting at $18.
http://deadspin.com/5916213/yankees-tickets-are-a-dollar-seats-are-empty-and-theyre-trying-to-blame-stubhub
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man I'm too old for that shit last night
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Hey Adam Jones - your alarm is going off - wake the hell up!
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Told y'all so.
If he does pitch, I predict one inning and he doesn't allow a run. You don't save 51 games and then fall apart every time you go out there.Johnson only threw 22 pitches last night. If the situation calls for it I'm sure Buck won't hesitate to use him. Here's hoping they have a big enough lead and won't need to.
How on earth did you predict a closer to pitch one inning and allow no runs?
I didn't think it was even possible?
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Sometimes you just have to defy the conventional "wisdom" and go with your gut.
Told y'all so.
If he does pitch, I predict one inning and he doesn't allow a run. You don't save 51 games and then fall apart every time you go out there.Johnson only threw 22 pitches last night. If the situation calls for it I'm sure Buck won't hesitate to use him. Here's hoping they have a big enough lead and won't need to.
How on earth did you predict a closer to pitch one inning and allow no runs?
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Johns Hopkins are closing several of their offices early for the game....pretty awesome of them. too bad my work isn't and i have about an hour drive before i'm back in the city
the city will be insane tonight if the o's win
i don't even..
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10,000+ tickets available on stubhub for tonight's game starting at $18.
http://deadspin.com/5916213/yankees-tickets-are-a-dollar-seats-are-empty-and-theyre-trying-to-blame-stubhub
Hahahaha "More fan-friendly" <- what exactly is more "fan-friendly" than cheapers tickets...... for the fans?
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they should ask him to pay back part of his $29,000,000 salary.
Arod not in lineup tonight
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Slip of the tongue the other night - Ernie Johnson referred to him as AWad.
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they should ask him to pay back part of his $29,000,000 salary.
Arod not in lineup tonight
Well he only has 118 million left on his contract left after this season. He also gets home run bonuses for each career home run over 660 which even if he totally bombs the next 5 season he is surely like to make. Unfortunatley, the yankees have the money to eat his contract. Hopefully texiera and cc can start falling off dramatically starting next year and the yankees follow the red sox path into suckatood.
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Oh well :( fun season regardless. Fuck the Yankees
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I am glad I choose Jen Lekman over going to the show. Watching the orioles not hit is something I had a fill of. They have to improve the hitting next year. I suppose Nate is good as a fourth outfielder, but we need another outfield a first baseman (goodbye reynolds you suck), and a second baseman and move Hardy to the 9th position in the line-up
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From the Post:
"Sabathia hurled a commanding four-hit shutout for a 3-1 win at Yankee Stadium on a crisp, breezy mid-October night the likes of which the Orioles had not felt since the days of Ripken, Alomar and Palmeiro a decade and a half ago."
Not sure how you throw a shutout and give up a run at the same time.
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From the Post:
"Sabathia hurled a commanding four-hit shutout for a 3-1 win at Yankee Stadium on a crisp, breezy mid-October night the likes of which the Orioles had not felt since the days of Ripken, Alomar and Palmeiro a decade and a half ago."
Not sure how you throw a shutout and give up a run at the same time.
did he have a complete game? if not the correct way to write it would be "shut out the Orioles over 7 innings in commanding fashion.." or something like that.. seems to me
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From the Post:
"Sabathia hurled a commanding four-hit shutout for a 3-1 win at Yankee Stadium on a crisp, breezy mid-October night the likes of which the Orioles had not felt since the days of Ripken, Alomar and Palmeiro a decade and a half ago."
Not sure how you throw a shutout and give up a run at the same time.
did he have a complete game? if not the correct way to write it would be "shut out
the Orioles over 7 innings in commanding fashion.." or something like that.. seems to me
in the good news department: jeter broke his ankle.
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I thought it was a great season. I don't think anyone should be complaining about what the Orioles accomplished this year. It was a hell of a ride and I'm glad it lasted as long as it did.
Got to meet Lew Ford and Troy Patton on the way to the car after completing the Baltimore Marathon on Saturday! (which I ran in Orioles colors, of course!)
It was really fun.
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From the Sun:
Some Orioles fans who purchased playoff tickets for games that never occurred have complained about the lack of refunds for a $6-per-order service charge from Ticketmaster.
Receipts for the orders stated that the Ticketmaster charges would be non-refundable, but that didn?t stop one fan from calling it a ?travesty? in an e-mail to The Sun. The Orioles have also heard a handful of complaints.
The club was not responsible for the charge or the refund policy, which is standard for such events. Such charges are one of the ways Ticketmaster, the 800-pound gorilla of the ticket world, guarantees its profits.
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From the Sun:
No one's complaining about the interest MLB made on holding onto that money from a dozen or so playoff eligible teams that pre-sold tickets weeks in advance?
Sure, interest rates are low, but all 10 teams that made the playoffs, plus at least 3 teams in each league sold at least 4 home games, some as many as 10 home games.
Average ticket price, $75, times 35,000 seats, times 4 games, times 16 teams is close to $200 million dollars collecting interest for doing absolutely nothing.
At least TM performed a transaction. BTW - I'm pretty sure tickets.com refunded everything, but could be wrong.
EDIT: NM, they refunded the convenience fee, but kept the processing fee and shipping and handling as well.
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From the Sun:
Some Orioles fans who purchased playoff tickets for games that never occurred have complained about the lack of refunds for a $6-per-order service charge from Ticketmaster.
Receipts for the orders stated that the Ticketmaster charges would be non-refundable, but that didn?t stop one fan from calling it a ?travesty? in an e-mail to The Sun. The Orioles have also heard a handful of complaints.
The club was not responsible for the charge or the refund policy, which is standard for such events. Such charges are one of the ways Ticketmaster, the 800-pound gorilla of the ticket world, guarantees its profits.
I don't understand why they keep saying this. WE GOT THE SIX DOLLARS BACK. What we didn't get back was the 1 dollar or whatever per ticket charge. I only lost one dollar and change per ticket.
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Odd. I had a difference of $6 on my wild card tickets and $4 on my tiebreaks. 2 seats each.
Nothing yet on the ALCS tickets.
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still waiting on my ALCS refund..... >:(
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That probably won't come until next week.
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Millions of Fox viewers watching the Wolrd Series just saw Zooey Deschanel sing the national anthem. And the all collectively proclaimed, "Wow, the New Girl can sing. She should make an album!"
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Back to the topic at hand - it's nice that the Giants 2 straight shutouts have allowed us to recall the excellence that was the 1966 Orioles.
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From Buster Onley's Blog about Offseason Decisions for teams:
Baltimore Orioles: They could be the sleeping giants of the winter, because their playoff berth of 2012 gave them credibility and now they have money to spend -- for help at first base or in the rotation. They are viewed, among rival executives, as one of the teams most likely to make a big, pricey splash this winter.
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From Buster Onley's Blog about Offseason Decisions for teams:
Baltimore Orioles: They could be the sleeping giants of the winter, because their playoff berth of 2012 gave them credibility and now they have money to spend -- for help at first base or in the rotation. They are viewed, among rival executives, as one of the teams most likely to make a big, pricey splash this winter.
Here's hoping.
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LaRoche.
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Matt Wieters - Gold Glove winner
Oooh - Adam Jones over Mike Trout in CF
Trifecta! JJ Hardy wins at SS
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Matt Wieters - Gold Glove winner
Oooh - Adam Jones over Mike Trout in CF
Trifecta! JJ Hardy wins at SS
Congrats to them. I really was rooting for jj hardy in this. glad to see him win. I don't think AJ is close to being the best. He doesn't have the range of some other guys. Nate and Machado played very well down the stretch as well.
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Oooh - Adam Jones over Mike Trout in CF
God damn affirmative action....
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Pick up LaRoche and they'll have 4 current Gold Glovers. Not too shabby.
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Three gold gloves and they still finished 20th out of 30 in fielding percentage.
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Three gold gloves and they still finished 20th out of 30 in fielding percentage.
Too bad they couldn't keep everything to the middle of the diamond.
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Bye bye Robert Andino.
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Who will do the movie reviews now?
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Saving money on andino so they can pay josh hamilton ;D
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Talked with an Orioles rep yesterday and she said they will probably offer their holiday 4 or 6 pack again. Gets you 4 games at the beginning of the season and opening day. Pretty fun way to start the season.
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Talked with an Orioles rep yesterday and she said they will probably offer their holiday 4 or 6 pack again. Gets you 4 games at the beginning of the season and opening day. Pretty fun way to start the season.
I am thinking of getting a 13 game plan... I wonder when those go on sale?
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2013 marks the 25th straight year of my mini plan. There have been quite a few times I considered not renewing it.
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You can get a 13 game plan now, I believe.
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No price increase on 2013 seasons. Yay, O's.
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They are also offering the holiday 5 pack. 110 gets you opening day, 4 vouchers for upper box tickets in april and may, and a ticket to fanfest (not sure that it's the early entry ticket or not).
don't know who goes to fanfest, but it's really fun! I love the giveaway room!
Sad about Reynolds going to the Indians, but I realize the O's didn't want to pay him the 11 million.
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they also switched to tickets.com for ticket sales because of the ticketmaster crap.
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Reynolds only got $6M plus incentives from Cleveland. The Orioles probably could've had him for that, but obviously didn't want him. Too many strikeouts, I guess. He played a solid 1B though.
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He did. I know all my fellow O's fans are sad that he's gone.
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Reynolds only got $6M plus incentives from Cleveland. The Orioles probably could've had him for that, but obviously didn't want him. Too many strikeouts, I guess. He played a solid 1B though.
Mark Reynolds has to be the worst regular player I have seen in an Orioles uniform. He has been replacement level player according to the stats last 3 years. So if you believe that he is just worth league minimum. I think his awful defense and high strike outs and the fact that he sucked for all but 3 weeks last year that is he is much worse than a replacement level player.
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They are also offering the holiday 5 pack. 110 gets you opening day, 4 vouchers for upper box tickets in april and may, and a ticket to fanfest (not sure that it's the early entry ticket or not).
don't know who goes to fanfest, but it's really fun! I love the giveaway room!
Sad about Reynolds going to the Indians, but I realize the O's didn't want to pay him the 11 million.
I would go for this but I don't want to sit in the upper deck for the other games. They should offer other ticket options for the vouchers. Maybe pay a little more and get lower boxes for non-opening day games. I most likely will get 13 game pack. Last year I was able to get Standing Room only tickets for opening day off ticketmaster and just found some empty seats and sat in them all game.
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I don't care where I sit. I just love going there!
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Well if a team loses a top player this year they only get one pick as opposed to two in previous years. And I think they have to offer the player 13.5 million to even get the one pick. So some of the suckier teams could end up with nothing for their player. So if he is a pending free agent that they have no desire to sign there is no reason to not trade him.
There's always risks/rewards on both sides, but with the Wild Card teams only guaranteed one game from here on out, and not necessarily a home game, I still think the risk is greater for the team that's trying to pick up the guy in the last few months of his contract this season.
We're certainly not going to see the top prospect type deal like we did last season (say, Zach Wheeler for Carlos Beltran) if the team that nabs the star player doesn't get the supplemental pick to replace the talent lost. It's just no longer worth it.
Buster Olney wrote a great article about how this is playing out this off-season (I'd link but it's behind a paywall and too long to copy and paste). There is no coincidence that some mid-level talent, but not great players, are stuck in limbo at the moment because of this new rule. Give up a draft pick for Greinke or Hamilton? Sure. But Rafael Soriano, Swisher, LaRoche, Lohse, Bourn? Maybe not.
The real winners? Those that were traded midseason or not given a qualifying offer: Napoli, Dempster, Anibal Sanchez, Victorino...no draft pick is attached to them. And, no coincidence they've all signed.
It might also explain why LaRoche has sat for weeks on his 2-year offer from the Nats and why the O's haven't countered with more - that's a valuable draft pick.
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Interesting article today in the sun about how the orioles seem to always hit the dollar store.
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Interesting article today in the sun about how the orioles seem to always hit the dollar store.
I really wish they didn't charge for their online content.
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I really wish they didn't charge for their online content.
Are the Orioles getting left behind in the AL East?
While Toronto, Boston have gone on spending sprees, Duquette stays patient
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Peter Schmuck
5:56 p.m. EST, December 18, 2012
If this is December, then there are a lot of Orioles fans who are wondering the same thing.
Why is it that every year at this time, the other American League East teams do their holiday shopping at Lord &Taylor and the Orioles seem to do most of theirs at the dollar store?
It's a fair question, considering that the Toronto Blue Jays are on a spending spree of such magnitude that it might impact the currency exchange rate between the United States and Canada, and the Boston Red Sox are buying up average players for $13 million apiece per season.
Even the Tampa Bay Rays have pulled off a major deal, trading starting pitcher James Shields to upgrade their soft offensive attack, which is why you're probably getting the gnawing feeling that if the Orioles don't do something significant soon, they may get left behind.
The Orioles went to the Winter Meetings and came back with left-hander T.J. McFarland, who they picked up in the Rule 5 draft, which is the Major League Baseball equivalent of a swap meet. Their other outside acquisitions this winter have all been low-profile guys who could end up on next season's Baltimore-Norfolk taxi squad.
Now, there are all sorts of possible explanations for the way the Orioles have gone about this offseason, from the cynical fan favorite ? they're still cheap and indecisive ? to the happier conclusion that this is pretty much the way baseball operations guru Dan Duquette did business a year ago and things turned out pretty well.
The acquisition of another young candidate for the major league rotation will make perfect sense if the Orioles end up using one or two of their other young arms to pull off a significant deal for a middle-of-the-order hitter ... or if they were just looking to have a third player on their roster with catchy initials instead of a first name.
The hesitation to throw a big three-year contract at free-agent first baseman Adam LaRoche can be explained away by real budget considerations during an offseason the O's entered with the most arbitration-eligible players in either league. LaRoche also would cost them their first-round pick in next year's draft, which is no small thing for a team bent on building a broad foundation of young talent for the long run.
That's all logical enough, but the Orioles would be foolish to think the world is going to stand still while they wait for the next growth spurt from their newest wave of minor league prospects. If they want to double-down on last year's success and keep the attendance and television ratings on the upswing, it's going to take more than reclamation projects like Trayvon Robinson and Conor Jackson to keep stay near the top of the AL East.
Remember, the Orioles ran up a statistically improbable string of 16 straight extra-inning victories and had the best record in major league history in one-run games. That's a tribute to their toughness, chemistry and terrific manager, but the odds of both those things happening again next season aren't much better than that Powerball ticket you've got stuffed behind the Oriole-themed credit card in your wallet.
Duquette has been saying all along that he is trying to acquire a legitimate power bat and you can't count him out with seven weeks still remaining until the opening of training camps. He did his best work last year ? signing Taiwanese pitcher Wei-Yin Chen and acquiring starter Jason Hammel ? in January and early February.
The flavor of this month is LaRoche, who is insisting on a big three-year deal and probably will end up back with the Nationals anyway. The Orioles are believed to be interested, but reluctant to give up the 24th overall pick in the draft next June and probably a bit concerned about his age (33) and durability a year after playing just 43 games in 2011.
If Duquette has something good up his sleeve, those are all good reasons to stand down with LaRoche, but he looks like a near-perfect fit at first base and the kind of bat the O's need to protect Adam Jones and Matt Wieters in the lineup.
Do you give up a late first-round pick and a bunch of money for that?
If you don't want to get left behind, you just might.
Read more from columnist Peter Schmuck on his blog, "The Schmuck Stops Here" at baltimoresun.com/schmuckblog and listen when he co-hosts "The Week in Review" at noon Fridays on WBAL (1090 AM) and at wbal.com.
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the one thing i like about the orioles are tickets are cheap. and haven't been raised in 5 years. you can get a 5 buck ticket on friday night and move down to the lower box seats after the first inning. If they start signing all sorts of big free agents they will start charing a lot more for tickets. And there is no gurantee they will be any better. Larouche provided nothing in 2011. That could happen again.
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I am always amazed when people complain about how much it costs to go to Camden Yards. You can get a 10 dollar ticket, take in all your own food and non-alcoholic beverages, and park for 8 bucks (or take the light rail). I didn't realize how cheap they were until I started going to other stadiums.
Is it spring training yet?
Anyone going to fanfest? I will be there!
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why would anyone complain about cost of going to camden yards.. its a great value for sure..
my friend has a season ticket package for a while and i used to get to go somewhat regularly.. but he gave it up..they were great seats too..about 15-20 rows behind home plate.. i mean straight line behind catcher..
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The tickets I get for free a few times a season are 11 rows behind home plate. So spoiled!
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I would also like to add that you can sit there for about 55/60 a ticket regular price. Most stadiums, those seats start at 250.
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I would also like to add that you can sit there for about 55/60 a ticket regular price. Most stadiums, those seats start at 250.
exactly right..
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The average price of a ticket for a Red Sox home game is $151.10, according to Chris Matcovich at ticket aggregator TiqIQ.com. The company both collects and analyzes data about tickets being sold on the secondary market, where you?ll find the most opportunities to get a ticket for an in-demand game as well as see where people are dumping tickets below face value.
After the Red Sox, the teams starting the 2012 baseball season with the highest average home ticket prices are the Chicago Cubs ($108.70), the Philadelphia Phillies, ($100.71), the New York Yankees ($90.21) and the Washington Nationals ($88.24). On the flipside, you can score the cheapest tickets (all about $50 on average ? meaning there are plenty of cheaper seats) if you go to home games of the Milwaukee Brewers, Pittsburgh Pirates, Kansas City Royals, Los Angeles Dodgers and Cincinnati Reds.
Read more: http://business.time.com/2012/04/04/average-ticket-prices-spike-for-baseballs-top-teams/#ixzz2FckHsXX9
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I rarely have to buy baseball tickets because, yes, I'm that charming and people enjoy my company at baseball games, but when I am forced to buy tickets I have perfected the StubHub game and buy plenty of seats being dumped in the last 3-4 hours before game time.
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I would also like to add that you can sit there for about 55/60 a ticket regular price. Most stadiums, those seats start at 250.
they are 48 dollars if you get a season ticket plan.. Including the 13 game plan.
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The average price of a ticket for a Red Sox home game is $151.10, according to Chris Matcovich at ticket aggregator TiqIQ.com. The company both collects and analyzes data about tickets being sold on the secondary market, where you?ll find the most opportunities to get a ticket for an in-demand game as well as see where people are dumping tickets below face value.
After the Red Sox, the teams starting the 2012 baseball season with the highest average home ticket prices are the Chicago Cubs ($108.70), the Philadelphia Phillies, ($100.71), the New York Yankees ($90.21) and the Washington Nationals ($88.24). On the flipside, you can score the cheapest tickets (all about $50 on average ? meaning there are plenty of cheaper seats) if you go to home games of the Milwaukee Brewers, Pittsburgh Pirates, Kansas City Royals, Los Angeles Dodgers and Cincinnati Reds.
Read more: http://business.time.com/2012/04/04/average-ticket-prices-spike-for-baseballs-top-teams/#ixzz2FckHsXX9
I couldn't imagine spending that much ($151.10) to see a baseball game. People sure like to waste their money.
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I would spend that much to go to Wrigley again. We've been to Fenway, but our friends treated us to the tickets.
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we also plan vacations around baseball...and national parks.
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I would spend that much to go to Wrigley again. We've been to Fenway, but our friends treated us to the tickets.
i went to wrigley and spent 75 bucks for lower level seats near third base line. I wouldn't pay that again as I just wanted to see wrigley park. I probably would spend that much to go to fenway one time but I wouldn't pay that for more than one game. Oh and they seem to have only super crappy beer at wrigley. And the bathrooms are a disgrace. It is a cool park to see a game but I wouldn't want to go there all the time even at 20 bucks a game. Camden yards is definitely a way better park.
i actually had my first kiss with this girl I ended up living with for a year in the wrigley field parking lot. It would have made a good story if I we hadn't broken up. didn't go to a game there just parked in the employees lot because it was empty.
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I love the crappy beer at Wrigley. I've been there twice and it's one of my favorite places to go! The Gingerman across the street is one of my favorite bars in Chicago.
I'm glad I went to Fenway, but I don't feel the need to go there again.
I'm hoping we can follow the Orioles out to San Fran and San Diego this spring, but we shall see...
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I love the crappy beer at Wrigley. I've been there twice and it's one of my favorite places to go! The Gingerman across the street is one of my favorite bars in Chicago.
I'm glad I went to Fenway, but I don't feel the need to go there again.
I'm hoping we can follow the Orioles out to San Fran and San Diego this spring, but we shall see...
the gingerman is where i met that girl. good beer selection there. the mens bathroom at wrigley is basically a circular tub where everyone stands around peeing into. I don't like looking at another guy while peeing.
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That sounds so scary!
Yay Gingerman!
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but im sad to see morse go.
If you can move him for a quality lefty reliever to replace Burnett, you can keep the nucleus of last years squad with a healthy Strasburg and having added a true lead-off hitter as a defensive center fielder, then I think it's a no brainer to deal Morse.
I was thinking morse could be a good platoon with betemit at dh but evdidently he hits right handers better than left handers. So I don't think he is a good fit with the orioles.
The Orioles are just a perplexing franchise to predict, at least from an outsiders perspective. I'm sure this forum could be searched ad nauseum to see my thoughts on this and Angelos and his "character tests" post the Albert Bell deal, but in a year when I really thought they would splash a little cash or make a deal or two they've sat quiet.
They still might deal with AZ (likely Kubel over Upton given Angelos history of clubhouse first) and there's some pitching to be had.
But hey, they nearly won the division and made the playoffs with last years squad, the rest of the division is in decline (save for Toronto, who mortgaged the future to win this year) so maybe they're in the right spot this season doing nothing.
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I'm still feeling confident:
Manny Machado
J.J. Hardy
Nick Markakis
Adam Jones
Chris Davis
Matt Weiters
Brian Roberts (for the 2 games he plays before he hurts himself again)
Nate McLouth
I realize these aren't the insane big bats, but there's some hitting and fielding power here. That combined with our pitching should make the Orioles competitive.
I can't wait to cheer for Buck Showalter during "The State of the Orioles" at fanfest! Anyone else going?
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Paying their arbitration eligible players will cost them maybe an additional $20M this year, so that's a consideration. I still think Duquette makes a deal - maybe for Morse. In any event lots can happen late in the off-season. Gonzo was acquired late last year. And Wada makes his debut. And a healthy Nick. And Roberts -maybe.
And darn swim meets will keep me away from Fan Fest this year. Bummed.
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I've gone the last three years. Will be interesting to see all the fair weathers this year. All the autograph sessions sold out in under an hour. Have never seen that happen before.
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I've gone the last three years. Will be interesting to see all the fair weathers this year. All the autograph sessions sold out in under an hour. Have never seen that happen before.
bring on the fair weather fans. It is much more enjoyable to have a full crowd at the yard that is really into the game than 10,000 fans who are sitting on their hands.
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People pay money to get millionaire's autographs? I at least hope that 100% goes to charity?
I've gone the last three years. Will be interesting to see all the fair weathers this year. All the autograph sessions sold out in under an hour. Have never seen that happen before.
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People pay money to get millionaire's autographs? I at least hope that 100% goes to charity?
I've gone the last three years. Will be interesting to see all the fair weathers this year. All the autograph sessions sold out in under an hour. Have never seen that happen before.
it is free for kids. i think that the money from adults goes to charity. it used to be free for everyone but all the adults crowded out the kids and the kids were never able to get an autograph. So the fee is just to keep things managable.
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Yes, all the money for the autographs goes to charity. And they have a free kids autograph station throughout the day. MASN also sets up a free booth where you can meet certain players (I met Brian Matusz and Jim Palmer last year) and there's another photo booth where for 5 bucks, you can get your picture taken with a player (changes throughout the day). That money goes to charity as well.
I've never paid for the autograph sessions. But, that's not what fanfest is about for me. I just like to say hi and maybe get a picture (or not) and see all the q&a sessions.
It's really fun if you're an O's fan!
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I've gone the last three years. Will be interesting to see all the fair weathers this year. All the autograph sessions sold out in under an hour. Have never seen that happen before.
bring on the fair weather fans. It is much more enjoyable to have a full crowd at the yard that is really into the game than 10,000 fans who are sitting on their hands.
Yes, I am down with the stadium being crowded this year. And people being excited!
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Who is in for fanfest Saturday? I will be there for the 10am talk!
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Earl Weaver has died
on fan fest day of all days..
guess its going to be a big part of the talk at Camden Yards today
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Earl
and Stan Musial
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They had Earl Weaver's number and jersey up on the same stage and flower at his number and statue in the flag court. Good day to honor Earl and celebrate the Orioles!
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Pitcher Steve Johnson sent this tweet following the Ravens' victory over the Patriots in the AFC championship game:
"4 touchdowns tonight for our only scores and the win... Coincidence? I think not. #Earl"
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Pitcher Steve Johnson sent this tweet following the Ravens' victory over the Patriots in the AFC championship game:
"4 touchdowns tonight for our only scores and the win... Coincidence? I think not. #Earl"
love.
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Opening Day tickets secured. Ravens are in the Super Bowl. Life is good.
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I don't usually go to opening day. I like taking off early and watching it at home and then going to the second game. Weird, I know.
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is there any way to get opening day tickets other than buying a season pass plan?
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is there any way to get opening day tickets other than buying a season pass plan?
I think they used to offer a package that included OD. Doubt they'll need to do that this year.
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They did offer the holiday 6 pack this year again which was opening day and 5 additional games in april/may. We did that a few years back and it was fun.
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is there any way to get opening day tickets other than buying a season pass plan?
last year i bought standing room only tickets. I believe right now that is all you are going to be able to buy if you don' twant season tickets or 29 game plan.
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Keith Law ranked their farm system 13:
"Dylan Bundy emerged as the minors' best pitching prospect in 2012, while their first pick from last year's draft, Kevin Gausman, was one of the hottest names in Florida instructional league in September. They'd rank higher had Manny Machado not lost his rookie eligibility in September."
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So it is official the Orioles do absolutely nothing this offseason. Saunders signs a one year deal with Mariners.
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Last time I checked the offseason was still going on.
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He chose the better beer city. No surprise.
So it is official the Orioles do absolutely nothing this offseason. Saunders signs a one year deal with Mariners.
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He chose the better beer city. No surprise.
He's also never lost a game at SafeCO, so if I had to take a chance with a one year deal to springboard to a multiyear deal I'd go there too.
Though he is a VA Tech grad, so I thought the O's had a good chance.
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FWIW, He's also a grad of the same high school my daughter is destined for, unless we move.
He chose the better beer city. No surprise.
Though he is a VA Tech grad, so I thought the O's had a good chance.
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Will miss Saunders, but I understand why the Orioles didn't want to pay him the money.
Am I the only Orioles fan not pissed off about this offseason?
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Will miss Saunders, but I understand why the Orioles didn't want to pay him the money.
Am I the only Orioles fan not pissed off about this offseason?
After the year they had and the euphoria of the football season it's hard to be pissed at anything. Plus DD seems to be able to find value in no-named players. Maybe the trend will continue this year.
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Am I the only Orioles fan not pissed off about this offseason?
There's still some time for DD to make some deals. 2B remains the biggest issue, I think.
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Am I the only Orioles fan not pissed off about this offseason?
I think you should be upset, but it's hard to act surprised. You can simply search this board for "angelos" and see why. Duquette can find gems and Showalter was great at managing his young staff last year, but they spent $20 million this offseason and it's hard to argue that they're $20m better.
The good news for O's fans is that the Yankees are likely to be substantially worse, the Sox are still rebuilding and Toronto has gone for a one and done season. This bode's well for the O's young team going forward. Will be very fun to watch mid-Atlantic and CA baseball for the next 3-4 years.
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I think the Reimold/McLouth platoon in LF will work out just fine. And I think Brian Roberts makes a healthy return to 2B. Chris Davis was considered a good defensive 1B at Texas - no reason to think he can't get it done. The bullpen seems solid. Starting pitching - lots of options there - something has to work out, right? If not there's always Bundy and Gausman waiting in the wings....
Ah, nothing like the optimism of spring!
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I think the Reimold/McLouth platoon in LF will work out just fine. And I think Brian Roberts makes a healthy return to 2B. Chris Davis was considered a good defensive 1B at Texas - no reason to think he can't get it done. The bullpen seems solid. Starting pitching - lots of options there - something has to work out, right? If not there's always Bundy and Gausman waiting in the wings....
Ah, nothing like the optimism of spring!
Reimold is an awful fielder. To me strictly DH duty for him. Problem is that same thing is true of Betemit.
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I really like Reimold.
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Let's see. 1 million for about 20 games this year (until a season ending injury) works out to about $50,000 per game.
That's still more of a bargain than Felix Hernandez. 25 million per year for seven years, 33 starts per year=3300 pitches per year (100 pitches per start.)=$7575 per pitch thrown. And that's assuming he never gets hurt.
So Reimold is a bargain. He makes as much for a game played and King Felix makes for throwing seven pitches.
I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges though.
I really like Reimold.
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I think he was really coming into his own last year before he was injured. I think if he's healthy, he'll be a good contributor to the team.
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Let's see. 1 million for about 20 games this year (until a season ending injury) works out to about $50,000 per game.
That's still more of a bargain than Felix Hernandez. 25 million per year for seven years, 33 starts per year=3300 pitches per year (100 pitches per start.)=$7575 per pitch thrown. And that's assuming he never gets hurt.
So Reimold is a bargain. He makes as much for a game played and King Felix makes for throwing seven pitches.
I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges though.
I really like Reimold.
let's see Felix is 3 years younger and has a career war of 31.5 and nolan has a career war of 3.3. Felix has pitched at least 232 inning each of the past 4 years. Has been to the all star game 3 times. .. Reimold is on the injury list by the time the all-star game occurs. Real comparison there.
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Felix will make more pitching one inning than most Americans make working for an entire year.
Why wasn't this addressed in the State of the Union?
Let's see. 1 million for about 20 games this year (until a season ending injury) works out to about $50,000 per game.
That's still more of a bargain than Felix Hernandez. 25 million per year for seven years, 33 starts per year=3300 pitches per year (100 pitches per start.)=$7575 per pitch thrown. And that's assuming he never gets hurt.
So Reimold is a bargain. He makes as much for a game played and King Felix makes for throwing seven pitches.
I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges though.
I really like Reimold.
let's see Felix is 3 years younger and has a career war of 31.5 and nolan has a career war of 3.3. Felix has pitched at least 232 inning each of the past 4 years. Has been to the all star game 3 times. .. Reimold is on the injury list by the time the all-star game occurs. Real comparison there.
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So Reimold is a bargain. He makes as much for a game played and King Felix makes for throwing seven pitches.
I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges though.
You absolutely are. Comparing the salaries of a starting pitcher and a reserve outfielder based on games played makes absolutely no sense.
The bigger question is why did Seattle do the deal now? He was signed for two more years...
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Felix will make more pitching one inning than most Americans make working for an entire year.
Why wasn't this addressed in the State of the Union?
Let's see. 1 million for about 20 games this year (until a season ending injury) works out to about $50,000 per game.
That's still more of a bargain than Felix Hernandez. 25 million per year for seven years, 33 starts per year=3300 pitches per year (100 pitches per start.)=$7575 per pitch thrown. And that's assuming he never gets hurt.
So Reimold is a bargain. He makes as much for a game played and King Felix makes for throwing seven pitches.
I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges though.
I really like Reimold.
let's see Felix is 3 years younger and has a career war of 31.5 and nolan has a career war of 3.3. Felix has pitched at least 232 inning each of the past 4 years. Has been to the all star game 3 times. .. Reimold is on the injury list by the time the all-star game occurs. Real comparison there.
Brian Roberts makes 10 million a year and all he does is sit in his house in sarasota drinking tom collins after tom collins.
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Buck said at fanfest that Brian Roberts is supposed to be ready to go. I am still extremely skeptical, but he seemed pretty sure that Brian Roberts would be healthy this year.
At least for the first two games...
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On a side note, I think I read that the Eagles cancelled Michael Vick's huge long term contract and instead signed him to a new one year deal. Did I read that right? Is that allowed in the NFL?
So Reimold is a bargain. He makes as much for a game played and King Felix makes for throwing seven pitches.
I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges though.
You absolutely are. Comparing the salaries of a starting pitcher and a reserve outfielder based on games played makes absolutely no sense.
The bigger question is why did Seattle do the deal now? He was signed for two more years...
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On a side note, I think I read that the Eagles cancelled Michael Vick's huge long term contract and instead signed him to a new one year deal. Did I read that right? Is that allowed in the NFL?
So Reimold is a bargain. He makes as much for a game played and King Felix makes for throwing seven pitches.
I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges though.
You absolutely are. Comparing the salaries of a starting pitcher and a reserve outfielder based on games played makes absolutely no sense.
The bigger question is why did Seattle do the deal now? He was signed for two more years...
No contracts are guranteed in football. The thing that keeps teams from just cutting every overpaid player is signing bonuses. Say they sign a 4 year contract at 5 million a year with a 20 million dollar signing bonus. So that is a cap hit of 10 million a year. So if they cut him after the first season his cap hit would might be 15 million a year even though he isn't playing.
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You can't blame a player for getting hurt. Well except for that time BRob hit himself in the head with his bat and started seeing stars.
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I don't doubt that Brian Roberts wants to play again. But, I'm just so tired of hearing that he's better and he plays a game and hurts himself, etc. It's annoying. BUT, the person it's most annoying to is Brian Roberts.
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I don't doubt that Brian Roberts wants to play again. But, I'm just so tired of hearing that he's better and he plays a game and hurts himself, etc. It's annoying. BUT, the person it's most annoying to is Brian Roberts.
I am sure the 40 million he has made not playing is helping him get over that annoyance. I am bet Peter Angelos is more annoyed than Roberts.
Here is the real deal with Brian Roberts. When he was on steroids so he could get doubles. Now he is off steroids and he is too small to hit the ball far. Tiny guys like Roberts are too small to play baseball without illegal drug enhancement.
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Brian Roberts makes 10 million a year and all he does is sit in his house in sarasota drinking tom collins after tom collins.
Sounds like he's got it figured out to me.
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While probably correct on pitching (I still think it will take a miracle to recreate what Showalter did with the staff last year, but he doesn't have to do as well), it speaks nothing to the other side of game - the offense. A full season of Machado is not going to be enough to make up for what left and what the rest of the division has done.
O's were wise to stand pat
Baltimore was quiet this winter because it has internal solutions on the mound
Updated: March 9, 2013, 11:07 AM ET
By Mike Petriello
The Baltimore Orioles shocked the baseball world by winning 93 games and beating the favored Texas Rangers in the wild-card playoff last year, breaking a streak of 14 consecutive losing seasons that dated back to the Cal Ripken Jr. era. The AL East has long been a brutal division to compete in, but the usual powers in Boston and New York have finally begun to show signs of vulnerability, and Tampa Bay has to overcome the losses of James Shields and B.J. Upton. At long last, the timing would have appeared right this winter for the Orioles to capitalize on their success and take advantage of what might be a small window of opportunity.
That's clearly the way the Toronto Blue Jays saw things, making big splashes in trades with the Miami Marlins and New York Mets, but Baltimore general manager Dan Duquette chose a different, much quieter path. The Orioles didn't sign a single new player to a major league contract this winter, and even the team's trading activity merely netted them bit players like Yamaico Navarro and Trayvon Robinson.
The lack of action was most notable in the team's unstable rotation, where 12 different pitchers made at least two starts for the team last season, and only Wei-Yin Chen made more than 20. Rather than attempting to import a stabilizing presence, Duquette decided to stay with his various internal options for the rotation.
Despite the playoff berth, the Orioles outscored their opponents by only seven runs -- good for an expected record of 82-80 -- and much of the 2012 magic in Baltimore was built on a record-setting 29-9 record in one-run games. That's good for a fantastic story for a fan base which desperately needed one, but it's not indicative of their true talent level and almost certainly not sustainable going forward.
For this reason, Duquette has been criticized for not making a splash, But when you examine the three courses of action he had this winter, he made the right choice.
Course No. 1. Trade young talent for a big-time starting pitcher.
This is the largely unpopular route Dayton Moore took in Kansas City, cashing in star-in-the-making Wil Myers and three other decent-to-good prospects to add Shields and Wade Davis to his rotation. Duquette could have done the same, but it would likely have cost him stud prospects like pitcher Dylan Bundy one of only three prospects to top Myers on Keith Law's Top 100 -- or infielder Manny Machado, each of whom made their MLB debuts in their age-19 seasons last year.
Had Duquette made those players available, he certainly could have swung a deal for a Shields or a comparable starter, but the long-term cost would have far outweighed the present benefits for a team that isn't as close as hometown fans may believe.
2. Spend a lot of money (and potentially a first-round draft pick) on a free agent.
If you figure that the Orioles were never going to be in the race for Zack Greinke and that lesser choices like Joe Blanton or Kevin Correia weren't enough of an upgrade to matter, the midrange market for impact starting pitching was exceptionally thin this winter. Other than Greinke, only two pitchers who moved to new teams signed for more than $15 million total -- Ryan Dempster with the Red Sox and Edwin Jackson with the Cubs. Kyle Lohse remains available, of course, but in addition to being an imperfect fit for the AL East, he would have cost Baltimore its top draft pick since the Cardinals made him a qualifying offer. This is the toughest part of the market to find value in.
3. Stand pat.
This is the path the Orioles have taken, conserving their resources, and it makes sense because Duquette has no shortage of intriguing candidates to fill out his rotation. Only Chen and veteran Jason Hammel, who was surprisingly effective before going down with a knee injury, appear to have solid holds on jobs. Manager Buck Showalter has indicated that righties Miguel Gonzalez and Chris Tillman are in line to get the next two, but it's difficult to envision a scenario where both keep those positions all season.
Gonzalez was a 28-year-old rookie who impressed with a 3.25 ERA that wasn't backed up by a 4.38 FIP or a less-than-stellar minor league track record. Tillman's 2.93 ERA looked even better, but mediocre peripherals along with a .221 BABIP gave him a 4.25 FIP and make it unlikely he prevents runs as effectively again. In Tillman's case, even reports of improved velocity may not be accurate, since it was skewed largely by a spike in his first game of the season that didn't last.
Battling for the final spot -- and for those that inevitably open up during the season -- is a cast of seemingly thousands. The Orioles have former prospects who haven't quite put it together yet (Jake Arrieta, Zach Britton, Steve Johnson, and Brian Matusz), they have veterans trying to prove they can stay healthy and effective (Tommy Hunter, Jair Jurrjens, and Tsuyoshi Wada), and both groups should be looking over their shoulders at the next wave knocking on the door (Bundy and Kevin Gausman).
This is where the Orioles can look for breakout potential, because the first four starters are unlikely to provide a whole lot more than we've already seen. It may seem odd to say about a pitcher coming off a 6.20 ERA season, but Arrieta might be the most likely of this group to come alive and provide value. In his age-26 campaign, he increased his strikeout rate to 8.56 per nine innings while also lowering his walk rate to 2.75 per nine, good numbers that continued the steps forward he'd made there in 2011. The resulting 3.11 strikeout-to-walk ratio was better than successful starters like Dempster, Matt Garza, Jackson, Mat Latos and Brandon McCarthy, and the upward trend in that metric is generally a good indicator of a pitcher doing something right.
Arrieta turned 27 this week, and scouts still love his multiple fastballs and plus secondary pitches, so the conditions are there for him to shave that ERA number significantly.
By this time next year, or perhaps even later in 2013, it's quite possible that stud prospects Bundy and Gausman each occupy spots in the Baltimore rotation. Duquette knows that they are the future of the rotation, so there was no sense spending a lot of money (or talent) to bring in guys who might not be much better than their in-house options.
The Orioles need to sort out once and for all which of their many current starting options are going to join Bundy and Gausman, be a part of their bullpen or move on entirely. It may not be the most popular decision to stand still, but acquiring someone like an Aaron Harang only serves to ensure mediocrity and prevent young players like Arrieta from proving they're part of the future.
Given the options available, Dan Duquette made the right decision for Baltimore's long-term success -- even if, in the present, it's hard for fans to swallow.
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What left? Reynolds?
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I really have not understood why anyone has been so pissed about the Orioles not making moves in the off season. Who are they going to trade? JJ Hardy? Adam Jones? Manny Machado? Dylan Bundy? They have a good team. A team that is just starting to hit their stride. I don't understand why they'd f it up to get some big fancy free agent.
I stand with Buck.
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I really have not understood why anyone has been so pissed about the Orioles not making moves in the off season. Who are they going to trade? JJ Hardy? Adam Jones? Manny Machado? Dylan Bundy? They have a good team. A team that is just starting to hit their stride. I don't understand why they'd f it up to get some big fancy free agent.
I stand with Buck.
I think re-signing Joe Saunders was something fans wanted. As the team really doesn't have a fifth starter right now. I guess they figure Gausman or Bundy will be ready in a couple of months. Also Nick Swisher could have made the team better on paper. So there was another free agent option.
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I cannot stand Nick Swisher. And he gets injured alot.
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I cannot stand Nick Swisher. And he gets injured alot.
in the last 7 seasons the most games he has missed is 14. I can't stand him either. I am just giving you players that the Orioles could have potentially signed to make them a better team.
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I cannot stand Nick Swisher. And he gets injured alot.
in the last 7 seasons the most games he has missed is 14. I can't stand him either. I am just giving you players that the Orioles could have potentially signed to make them a better team.
I guess my point is that I think they're already a good team. I am sure they can be better, but I know that they'll make moves during the season if they have too.
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There's a company, Hamsterdam Clothing, that makes a really great Adam Jones shirt right now.
I'm sure most of you know about Protect This Yard as well.
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I cannot stand Nick Swisher.
He was the rare Yankee that I actually liked. Just a differenct breed than the rest of the team.
I guess it's too late to expect that any opening day tix will be available for the public. No way I'm paying $110 for SRO tix.
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I cannot stand Nick Swisher.
He was the rare Yankee that I actually liked. Just a differenct breed than the rest of the team.
I've partied with The Swish. Good dude, but don't let your ladies go anywhere near him. He's THAT irresistible.
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I cannot stand Nick Swisher.
He was the rare Yankee that I actually liked. Just a differenct breed than the rest of the team.
I guess it's too late to expect that any opening day tix will be available for the public. No way I'm paying $110 for SRO tix.
Not this year. I always watch it at home anyway. I"m going on Sunday. I went one year. That was enough for me.
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HAPPY FIRST ORIOLES GAME EVERYONE!
It's the free game on mlbtv.com today!
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WHy do they have all these games during the day? I won't be able to watch as I will be at work.
Getting back to the ravens game and the orioles bs. They have a road game in tampa on thursday and they play a day game in baltimore on Friday. The twins have game on thursday and have to fly in and play during the day Friday. The orioles excuses for not moving the game are total lies.
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I cannot stand Nick Swisher.
He was the rare Yankee that I actually liked. Just a differenct breed than the rest of the team.
I guess it's too late to expect that any opening day tix will be available for the public. No way I'm paying $110 for SRO tix.
I paid 15 dollars for opening day SRO tickets. If I knew I could have gotten 110 dollars each for them I probably would have sold them.
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WHy do they have all these games during the day? I won't be able to watch as I will be at work.
Getting back to the ravens game and the orioles bs. They have a road game in tampa on thursday and they play a day game in baltimore on Friday. The twins have game on thursday and have to fly in and play during the day Friday. The orioles excuses for not moving the game are total lies.
They are playing the White Sox the day of the reported game. The NFL wanted the Ravens to open on Thursday. Both teams have night games that Wednesday and are then traveling. If you're going to complain about it, at least get the teams straight.
And the NFL could have let the Ravens open at home on Sunday. But they didn't. Because they're bullies. The "storied history" of opening the season on Thursday is not that old.
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WHy do they have all these games during the day? I won't be able to watch as I will be at work.
Getting back to the ravens game and the orioles bs. They have a road game in tampa on thursday and they play a day game in baltimore on Friday. The twins have game on thursday and have to fly in and play during the day Friday. The orioles excuses for not moving the game are total lies.
They are playing the White Sox the day of the reported game. The NFL wanted the Ravens to open on Thursday. Both teams have night games that Wednesday and are then traveling. If you're going to complain about it, at least get the teams straight.
And the NFL could have let the Ravens open at home on Sunday. But they didn't. Because they're bullies. The "storied history" of opening the season on Thursday is not that old.
I am talking about what they are doing this week. Playing game on Thursday on the road and then coming home on friday and playing during the day. I have the teams right. I am saying they are doing exactly what they say they can't do this week. Angelos is full of shit. He stopped it because he likes disappoint people. That is what makes him happy.
As for the NFL their TV contract is up after this season so they need big ratings.
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WHy do they have all these games during the day? I won't be able to watch as I will be at work.
Getting back to the ravens game and the orioles bs. They have a road game in tampa on thursday and they play a day game in baltimore on Friday. The twins have game on thursday and have to fly in and play during the day Friday. The orioles excuses for not moving the game are total lies.
They are playing the White Sox the day of the reported game. The NFL wanted the Ravens to open on Thursday. Both teams have night games that Wednesday and are then traveling. If you're going to complain about it, at least get the teams straight.
And the NFL could have let the Ravens open at home on Sunday. But they didn't. Because they're bullies. The "storied history" of opening the season on Thursday is not that old.
I am talking about what they are doing this week. Playing game on Thursday on the road and then coming home on friday and playing during the day. I have the teams right. I am saying they are doing exactly what they say they can't do this week. Angelos is full of shit. He stopped it because he likes disappoint people. That is what makes him happy.
As for the NFL their TV contract is up after this season so they need big ratings.
They are opening on the road because the Orioles have to alternate opening at home now with the Nationals. Next year, the Orioles will open at home and the Nationals will open on the road.
I don't see how this relates to what happened with the NFL and the Ravens.
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and doing that now when it's the beginning and doing it in September when you're tired are two different things. They have a DAY game on Thursday. They have a NIGHT game the night of September 4th. Totally different. Twins also have a DAY game Thursday.
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And he did not disappoint me by standing up to the NFL. I don't think the Orioles should have to play tired to accommodate the Ravens who could just as easily have opened up their season on Sunday night or Wednesday.
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and doing that now when it's the beginning and doing it in September when you're tired are two different things. They have a DAY game on Thursday. They have a NIGHT game the night of September 4th. Totally different. Twins also have a DAY game Thursday.
well if they can have day games on thursday in april they can have them in september. it is bs plain and simple. Angelos doens't want to move the game because he is more important than the ravens.
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not looking great weather wise for opening day at camden yards
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and doing that now when it's the beginning and doing it in September when you're tired are two different things. They have a DAY game on Thursday. They have a NIGHT game the night of September 4th. Totally different. Twins also have a DAY game Thursday.
well if they can have day games on thursday in april they can have them in september. it is bs plain and simple. Angelos doens't want to move the game because he is more important than the ravens.
the Orioles are more important than the ravens to me too. And I'm glad they didn't bully the Orioles.
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I am talking about what they are doing this week. Playing game on Thursday on the road and then coming home on friday and playing during the day.
Besides just only listening to only yourself, you struggle with the concept of Day and Night.
The games on Thursday of this week are day games starting at 3 and 4, not 7 PM. That's why they can play a day game on Friday.
The games on Wednesday in September are night games starting at 7 PM, thus making a day game on Thursday impossible based on the current Collective Bargaining Agreement MLB has with it's players.
In order to accommodate the Ravens they would have had to reschedule 3 games.
The NFL knows this and gave up, so why don't you, as you clearly have no idea what you're talking about?
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not looking great weather wise for opening day at camden yards
A shame it is looking that way. Opening Day is such a crap-shoot as far as the weather goes.
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not looking great weather wise for opening day at camden yards
A shame it is looking that way. Opening Day is such a crap-shoot as far as the weather goes.
Nope. But it is looking good for Sunday. Hoping it doesn't rain until later on Friday.
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There's a company, Hamsterdam Clothing, that makes a really great Adam Jones shirt right now.
I'm sure most of you know about Protect This Yard as well.
Very cool. As only M was available my daughters will have to fight over it.
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I wish mine would get here already!
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I wish mine would get here already!
Sold out now. Guess I got the last one.
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:)
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I don't recommend buying Orioles season tickets. Everyone else got their season tickets by a week ago so I emailed my contact person and he said basically they will get there when they get there and your first game isn't until april 17th anyway. So I get my tickets yesterday and I send a nice email saying I am missing a ticket. And he replies he has never heard of such a thing before. And I should triple check my tickets and they don't have any time to do anything about it as opening day is coming up.
Like I would send him an email about a ticket I hadn't triple checked to see if it were there. What is worse it is a 12:35 weekday game so I wanted to exchange it for another game which for some reason I have to do at the box office and not online. Well I don't have the ticket.
For my symphony season tickets I do it all online and it is simple. I have to say I have never had a condescending attitude from anyone I have done business with before.
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I know they went to a new system and appear to have had some turnover in their account reps. My old rep was great. Now I've had 2 new ones in the last 2 years.
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Chris Davis. That is all.
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Exactly.
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Last six at bats 2 home runs 3 doubles and a single. Last 8 at bats 3 home runs 3 doubles, a single and a ground out. I would say he is hot.
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Brian Roberts injured on a stolen base with a 4 run lead in top of 9th. Carried off the field. Who would have thought it.
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Brian Roberts injured on a stolen base with a 4 run lead in top of 9th. Carried off the field. Who would have thought it.
Hilarious.
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How is that hilarious?
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thats what happens when you stop shooting up roids
hopefully he is finally done. not a fan.
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I don't think it's ever a good idea to celebrate injury of any kind to anyone.
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I don't think it's ever a good idea to celebrate injury of any kind to anyone.
Yeah it would be like me celebrating RGIII's injury. DC sports fans are the worst.
Hopefully it is nothing serious and Brian Roberts just overreacted to the injury.
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How is that hilarious?
Don't mistake my laughter for celebration.
But when a 35 year old injury prone player steals a base with a 4 run lead in the ninth and hurts himself, I can't help but laugh. He's a veteran and should know better. He's not 25 any more...
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He's also a 35 year old man with a college education who's a born again Christian.
How is that hilarious?
Don't mistake my laughter for celebration.
But when a 35 year old injury prone player steals a base with a 4 run lead in the ninth and hurts himself, I can't help but laugh. He's a veteran and should know better. He's not 25 any more...
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yeah, I hate whenever he comes up to bat and they play his shitty born again christian music
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Opening day was awesome. Although having basically no pre game celebration was lame. Chris Davis is the man
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Over a five year period, I managed to acquire five bobbleheads, either through going to games or from cereal boxes (mini-bobbleheads).
Four of them were subsequently associated with steriods (ARod, Gibbons, Giambi, and Tejada), and the fifth was Sidney Ponson.
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I don't recommend buying Orioles season tickets. Everyone else got their season tickets by a week ago so I emailed my contact person and he said basically they will get there when they get there and your first game isn't until april 17th anyway. So I get my tickets yesterday and I send a nice email saying I am missing a ticket. And he replies he has never heard of such a thing before. And I should triple check my tickets and they don't have any time to do anything about it as opening day is coming up.
Like I would send him an email about a ticket I hadn't triple checked to see if it were there. What is worse it is a 12:35 weekday game so I wanted to exchange it for another game which for some reason I have to do at the box office and not online. Well I don't have the ticket.
For my symphony season tickets I do it all online and it is simple. I have to say I have never had a condescending attitude from anyone I have done business with before.
Hey, you're 'atomic' over on Orioles Hangout, aren't you?
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Orioles, 0-2 in one run games.
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Orioles, 0-2 in one run games.
And they're 3-0 in >1 run games.
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0-3 in one run games.
Orioles, 0-2 in one run games.
And they're 3-0 in >1 run games.
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Any word on why the O's are playinga Mon, NO TUES GAME, Wed, Thurs series in Boston?
Is the NFL to blame? Some weird Irish holiday?
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Any word on why the O's are playinga Mon, NO TUES GAME, Wed, Thurs series in Boston?
Is the NFL to blame? Some weird Irish holiday?
Home opener in Boston was Monday. They schedule an off day on Tuesday in case the weather doesn't cooperate. They do the same when the O's open at home.
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That was fun.
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Shut those annoying Boston fans right up! And people think baseball isn't exciting...
last night was the first non-sell out game for Boston in almost 800 games.
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Yankees scheduled lineup tonight:
Brett Gardner CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Travis Hafner DH
Vernon Wells LF
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Eduardo Nunez SS
Lyle Overbay 1B
Francisco Cervelli C
CC Sabathia LHP
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
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Yankees scheduled lineup tonight:
Brett Gardner CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Travis Hafner DH
Vernon Wells LF
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Eduardo Nunez SS
Lyle Overbay 1B
Francisco Cervelli C
CC Sabathia LHP
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
nice
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Is that the same line up that put up ~33 runs in their last 3 games?
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Guess it doesn't matter when we drop fly balls and hit into double plays.
If we take 2 of 3, all will be forgiven. Well, except Jonesy's poor defense so far this season.
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That game was gift-wrapped.
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Triple plays, that is..... ::)
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(http://i.minus.com/ibsK2U1WMpYzyY.gif)
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Best gif ever.
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As if I needed more reasons to despise him.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8118/8656888280_5d0fb182f0_o.gif)
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(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ljmgm2oot47png/ku-xlarge.png)
WTF? No, really. WTF?
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Orioles, 0-2 in one run games.
O's have won 4 straight one run games!!!!
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WTF? No, really. WTF?
Makes no sense but makes me chuckle anyway.
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I bet he has a five year old daughter.
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that is funny.
Great game last night! Cold at the Yard, but who cares?
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I bet he has a five year old daughter.
But if he had a five year old daughter he wouldn't be able to go to the game.
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Per Elias: The Orioles have won a franchise-record 102 consecutive regular season games when leading after seven innings, the last loss coming Aug. 8, 2011. It's the second-longest streak for any club during the expansion era since 1961, trailing just the 1998-99 Yankees (116).
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Why do they cut this stat off at 1961?
Per Elias: The Orioles have won a franchise-record 102 consecutive regular season games when leading after seven innings, the last loss coming Aug. 8, 2011. It's the second-longest streak for any club during the expansion era since 1961, trailing just the 1998-99 Yankees (116).
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I don't have cable tv...any reason given why Johnson wasn't pitching today in a save situation bottom of the ninth?
Is there a better starting five than MClouth-Machado-Markakis-Jones-Davis? Noiw if Buck could get the other bums to hit, they'd have something.
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I don't have cable tv...any reason given why Johnson wasn't pitching today in a save situation bottom of the ninth?
Is there a better starting five than MClouth-Machado-Markakis-Jones-Davis? Noiw if Buck could get the other bums to hit, they'd have something.
Johnson had pitched 5 of the last 6 days, I think. He should have had Saturday off, as the O's took a 4 run lead into the 9th, but Strop immediately crapped the bed and Johnson had to pitch.
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Why do they cut this stat off at 1961?
You'll have to ask the Elias specifically, but 1961 was the first time MLB expanded since taking on the American League in 1901. Over the next decade, MLB added 7 teams, greatly increasing the talent pool, which in turn caused some weird statistical anomalies. Since then, some statisticians refer to feats performed today in comparison to only those other feats that happened "since the expansion era" which is usually considered to be 1961-1976ish.
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Thanks for that explanation. It seems like that stat is one that they should carry back further if they want to make it sound impressive.
Why do they cut this stat off at 1961?
You'll have to ask the Elias specifically, but 1961 was the first time MLB expanded since taking on the American League in 1901. Over the next decade, MLB added 7 teams, greatly increasing the talent pool, which in turn caused some weird statistical anomalies. Since then, some statisticians refer to feats performed today in comparison to only those other feats that happened "since the expansion era" which is usually considered to be 1961-1976ish.
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There's no hope in Strop. Something's gotta give.
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I don't have cable tv...any reason given why Johnson wasn't pitching today in a save situation bottom of the ninth?
Is there a better starting five than MClouth-Machado-Markakis-Jones-Davis? Noiw if Buck could get the other bums to hit, they'd have something.
Johnson had pitched 5 of the last 6 days, I think. He should have had Saturday off, as the O's took a 4 run lead into the 9th, but Strop immediately crapped the bed and Johnson had to pitch.
Strop needs to go.
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Seven earned runs in eight innings pitched. Big deal. You probably said the same thing about Brian Matusz in 2011.
There's no hope in Strop. Something's gotta give.
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Seven earned runs in eight innings pitched. Big deal. You probably said the same thing about Brian Matusz in 2011.
There's no hope in Strop. Something's gotta give.
This goes back to last year. They couldn't rely on him down the stretch or in the playoffs. He seems totally clueless right now.
The unfortunate thing is he's out of options.
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People were saying last year that Johnson should be traded and Strop should be the closer. Now everyone says he should be released. Sports fans are so insane. Let the guy work out his kinks. The Orioles have a great record. Winning 3 out of 4 in Oakland on the road is impressive.
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Seven earned runs in eight innings pitched. Big deal. You probably said the same thing about Brian Matusz in 2011.
There's no hope in Strop. Something's gotta give.
No. I love Brian Matusz! Strop cannot control the ball, he cannot field the ball, he just looks lost out there. Time to send him down to the minors to get the kinks worked out....I think he'll be back.
And I really like Strop in general. He was super nice at Fanfest and has a great smile!
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Seven earned runs in eight innings pitched. Big deal. You probably said the same thing about Brian Matusz in 2011.
There's no hope in Strop. Something's gotta give.
No. I love Brian Matusz! Strop cannot control the ball, he cannot field the ball, he just looks lost out there. Time to send him down to the minors to get the kinks worked out....I think he'll be back.
And I really like Strop in general. He was super nice at Fanfest and has a great smile!
If you send him down to the minors he won't be back. He is out of options so you will to DFA him and any team can claim him off waivers or he can refuse the assignment and be a free agent. Strop is too good to make it through waivers.
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If you send him down to the minors he won't be back. He is out of options so you will to DFA him and any team can claim him off waivers or he can refuse the assignment and be a free agent. Strop is too good to make it through waivers.
Yeah, Strop by himself isn't necessarily a huge problem - he's talented enough that you have to give him time to work it out in Kevin Gregg-style low leverage situations. But having McFarland and Hunter, who also can't be counted on, in the same bullpen, plus having none of the starters able to go more than 6 innings is just asking for trouble.
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If you send him down to the minors he won't be back. He is out of options so you will to DFA him and any team can claim him off waivers or he can refuse the assignment and be a free agent. Strop is too good to make it through waivers.
This. I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying Anaheim would claim him for sure at $500k and Arb-1 eligibility not until 2014.
having none of the starters able to go more than 6 innings is just asking for trouble.
And this. IT doesn't matter who's in your pen if the starters don't give them a break, especially on this road trip. But fear not - you've got Anaheim soon, and we're great for starters going deep.
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Should have re-signed Joe Saunders!
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He pitched really well while he was here. Not too shabby last night, either.
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Did Adam Jones really win the AL Gold Glove in CF last year? Sure doesn't look like the same guy.
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Gold gloves are a joke.
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Should have re-signed Joe Saunders!
$6M gets you 2-3 with a 5.25 ERA.
Update: 2-4 with a 6.15 ERA!
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7-4 West Coast road trip is sweet. Bang your Rally Monkey.
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http://deadspin.com/orioles-fans-have-never-seen-a-perfect-game-prefer-one-490076832
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Did Adam Jones really win the AL Gold Glove in CF last year? Sure doesn't look like the same guy.
I'm okay with him not being as perfect in the field this year if he keeps up the hitting!
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7-4 West Coast road trip is sweet. Bang your Rally Monkey.
19 - 13 is a pretty swell record knowing that they have only had 12 home games and 20 road games so far.
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But fear not - you've got Anaheim soon, and we're great for starters going deep.
Tillman - 8 IP
Gonzalez - 6 IP (would have gone 7 if he wasn't injured)
Garcia - 6.2 IP (would have gone further if it wasn't his debut, 78 pitches...)
Hammel - 6 IP
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Hammel would've gone further if it wasn't for the blown call on Trout at 2B extending the 1st inning too.
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Hammel would've gone further if it wasn't for the blown call on Trout at 2B extending the 1st inning too.
I had the pleasure of not watching the Halo's the past 5 days so I can't comment, but I don't doubt it one bit that every pitcher could go into the 7th against this team. And a Halo's stater is lucky to get through 5.
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1 game back!!!!
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Never thought I'd say this, but can the O's have Mark Reynolds back?
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Never thought I'd say this, but can the O's have Mark Reynolds back?
Odd man out. Didn't want to be a DH. Hell of a start though.
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Never thought I'd say this, but can the O's have Mark Reynolds back?
Funny. I'm trying to deal him as quickly as I can right now in Fantasy. He'll hit 30 HR's, sure, but do you know what his BA is going to be in the next 4 months to fall from .300 to .230? No thanks and somebody will overpay for him.
At the end of the season you'll be happy you have Machado and Davis for $4 million and not Reynolds for $6 million ruining your clubhouse over playing time. You can always deal for a bat at the trade deadline.
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I wasn't suggesting having him take away at bats from Machado or Davis. I want to DH him in place of Reimold. And if he could play second base...
Never thought I'd say this, but can the O's have Mark Reynolds back?
Funny. I'm trying to deal him as quickly as I can right now in Fantasy. He'll hit 30 HR's, sure, but do you know what his BA is going to be in the next 4 months to fall from .300 to .230? No thanks and somebody will overpay for him.
At the end of the season you'll be happy you have Machado and Davis for $4 million and not Reynolds for $6 million ruining your clubhouse over playing time. You can always deal for a bat at the trade deadline.
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I wasn't suggesting having him take away at bats from Machado or Davis. I want to DH him in place of Reimold. And if he could play second base...
But he would because as Shemp pointed out, he wants to play in the field, yet he's an atrocious fielder. You don't need that in your clubhouse. You needed Thome to teach Reynolds the value of DH, but with the expansion of interleague play, Reynolds knew it would diminish his value.
Second base? He had the most errors of any 3B in 2011 (statistically he was close to the worst fielder in the last 10 years in 2011 at ALL positions), had the worst range amongst 1B last year, and he would never be allowed to go anywhere near the middle infield. But I did get a good laugh out of that.
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Oh I wasn't suggesting putting him in the field. Sign him and play him where you want to play him. It's the manager's call what position the player plays, not the players call, right? That's why I played right field in little league.
I wasn't suggesting having him take away at bats from Machado or Davis. I want to DH him in place of Reimold. And if he could play second base...
But he would because as Shemp pointed out, he wants to play in the field, yet he's an atrocious fielder. You don't need that in your clubhouse. You needed Thome to teach Reynolds the value of DH, but with the expansion of interleague play, Reynolds knew it would diminish his value.
Second base? He had the most errors of any 3B in 2011 (statistically he was close to the worst fielder in the last 10 years in 2011 at ALL positions), had the worst range amongst 1B last year, and he would never be allowed to go anywhere near the middle infield. But I did get a good laugh out of that.
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Oh I wasn't suggesting putting him in the field. Sign him and play him where you want to play him. It's the manager's call what position the player plays, not the players call, right? That's why I played right field in little league.
Actually, that reminds me. His option was declined at $11 million so clearly he wasn't worth the $11 million given that he signed for $6 million elsewhere, and the O's couldn't sign him until May because they non-tendered him, just in case nobody else signed him and they got stuck with the bill.
He clearly would have created problems given his desire to play the field and Showalter didn't want him in the club house causing problems. That's the best way to deal with millionaires.
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I was thinking that as well as the O's are doing, they still can ill afford a major injury. And now their best pitcher goes down. Ouch.
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I can't stand Mark Reynolds. He will be back hitting around .200 before the season is out. With his usual 200 strike outs and a ton of errors. The guys who replaced him at third and first our doing a lot better than him anyway. Let him botch a bunch of plays in Cleveland we are doing just fine without him.
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As bad as he ends up, his average will still be 20 points higher than Reimold and he'll have twice as many home runs.
I can't stand Mark Reynolds. He will be back hitting around .200 before the season is out. With his usual 200 strike outs and a ton of errors. The guys who replaced him at third and first our doing a lot better than him anyway. Let him botch a bunch of plays in Cleveland we are doing just fine without him.
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As bad as he ends up, his average will still be 20 points higher than Reimold and he'll have twice as many home runs.
I can't stand Mark Reynolds. He will be back hitting around .200 before the season is out. With his usual 200 strike outs and a ton of errors. The guys who replaced him at third and first our doing a lot better than him anyway. Let him botch a bunch of plays in Cleveland we are doing just fine without him.
The average point is debatable. Anyway Betemit was supposed to be the Orioles DH. I think Urrieta will be up shortly. He is hitting .352 in AA. Don't see him being on the farm much longer. That could be the end of Reimold as an Oriole.
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Somebody's got a serious man crush on Mark Reynolds. He'll revert to form soon.
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As bad as he ends up, his average will still be 20 points higher than Reimold and he'll have twice as many home runs.
I disagree on the batting average, agree on the home runs, but is that worth 6 times the salary?
I would argue no.
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I find it hard to believe he could't afford the $1,000 fine (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-nick-markakis-doesnt-use-pinklabeled-bat-vs-twins-20130512,0,4260073.story?track=rss), though let's be honest, common sense should have prevailed here. Oh wait, we're talking about MLB....
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I was thinking that as well as the O's are doing, they still can ill afford a major injury. And now their best pitcher goes down. Ouch.
Right oblique strain
"Duquette estimated that it would take "more than a couple weeks" for Chen to return."
Ouch ouch
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Sure could use some starting pitching right about now.
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Definitely. Hammels got robbed on a call that would have been the 3rd out and gave up a 3-run dinger to the next batter. It was all downhill from there.
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Closer implosion. Painful to watch.
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He was so perfect for so long. Couldn't last forever.
But the ship is definitely taking on water. Is it Gausman time, or is that the panic switch?
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I just hope they can win tonight. Onward and upward!
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Went to see the Orioles two games last week and Jim Johnson blew both games. The Saturday game was particually painful becuase of the walks. It looked like the Orioles of old out there. Esepcially with a few bad defensive plays in the field.
I am going to Wednesday's game. Hopefully not another blown save. They are 3-3 in games I have gone to this year. They need to pick up their effort.
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I am going tonight. I am 1-1.
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Don't be so glum - we're Best Dressed! (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9292870/orioles-win-title)
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0520/mlb_orioles_d1_576.jpg)
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Fucking Johnson. time to make Pedro the closer.
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Alright, so maybe not Strop.
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so frustrating.
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Oday should be the closer. Or why have a closer at all? If someone has 50 saves it just drives up their salary. Have another guy do it each night.
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Why not have Chris Davis do it? He seems to do everything else right this year.
Plus, he's got the best lifetime ERA of anybody on the team
Oday should be the closer. Or why have a closer at all? If someone has 50 saves it just drives up their salary. Have another guy do it each night.
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It's called a slump. It won't last forever.
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Whoa, Gausman already.
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Whoa, Gausman already.
While I think they would prefer to wait until the Super-Two deadline next month, I don't think they have a choice. The starters have not been as effective as last year and he's mowing down folks in AA - it's time to challenge him and time to give the team a jump start. When Chen comes back, he can always be sent down to work on a couple of things learned from his stint in the bigs. He'll finish the season with the squad and be front end by 2015.
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Nice rebound.
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Yes. Better.
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Had the most annoying people next to me at the game last night. They took a million pictures of each other blocking my view, did not pay attention to the game at all. Never clapped. Talked constantly leaning forward blocking my view. Even after I said something about them blocking my view..they stopped for 15 minutes and started doing it again. They didn't even stand up for seventh inning stretch. Why did they even go to the game?
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Winning the series does soften the blow. Was a terrible homestand, nonetheless.
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For the nice background for their facebook picture posts.
Had the most annoying people next to me at the game last night. They took a million pictures of each other blocking my view, did not pay attention to the game at all. Never clapped. Talked constantly leaning forward blocking my view. Even after I said something about them blocking my view..they stopped for 15 minutes and started doing it again. They didn't even stand up for seventh inning stretch. Why did they even go to the game?
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For the nice background for their facebook picture posts.
Had the most annoying people next to me at the game last night. They took a million pictures of each other blocking my view, did not pay attention to the game at all. Never clapped. Talked constantly leaning forward blocking my view. Even after I said something about them blocking my view..they stopped for 15 minutes and started doing it again. They didn't even stand up for seventh inning stretch. Why did they even go to the game?
Maybe it was for the hot dogs. the guy next to me had 3 hot dogs. and one of the women gave me a dirty look when I joined in the "Yankees Suck" chant.
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(http://baltimoresportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/orioles-in-denim.jpg)
http://baltimoresportsreport.com/orioles-canadian-tuxedos-41144.html
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My wife refers to ballplayers as "overgrown boys". That pic does nothing to dispel of that notion!
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AJ's shoes are nice. Can't quite see them in that pic, tho.
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Manny Machado has three hits in each of his last four road games. According to Elias, the only other player younger than 21 with a streak of four or more consecutive road games with at least three hits was Ty Cobb, who had five straight road games with at least three hits from Sept. 30-Oct. 3, 1907.
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Manny> Bryce Harper and Mike Trout.
He has 21 doubles!
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Manny> Bryce Harper and Mike Trout.
He has 21 doubles!
Yes, because doubles are the measure.
On the plus side, for everybody except Russell Branyan, doubles are a sign of future homerun potential in young players. And, of course, lost power in ageing players...
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Manny> Bryce Harper and Mike Trout.
He has 21 doubles!
Yes, because doubles are the measure.
On the plus side, for everybody except Russell Branyan, doubles are a sign of future homerun potential in young players. And, of course, lost power in ageing players...
Well third base is an harder position to play than outifeld. Manny is winning because of his fielding not because of his doubles. Anyway all three appear to be great players. No need to compare.
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No need to compare.
Of course there is. Through their first 98 games:
Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG OPS
Trout 359 71 107 21 3 14 49 26 .298 .357 .490 .847
Harper 379 65 95 16 6 12 36 13 .251 .326 .420 .746
Machado 394 56 117 29 5 12 54 4 .297 .329 .487 .816
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Through their first 98 games:
Promise me you O's fans will keep this comparison up, because we all know what Trout did after his first 40 game call up in 2011. That's where he will separate himself from this pack.
Here's his 2011 season:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG OPS
40 123 20 27 6 0 5 16 4 .220 .281 .390 .672
And he still led the other two in most categories. So I look forward to the next 50 game comparison.
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Manny Machado has three hits in each of his last four road games. According to Elias, the only other player younger than 21 with a streak of four or more consecutive road games with at least three hits was Ty Cobb, who had five straight road games with at least three hits from Sept. 30-Oct. 3, 1907.
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Time to make O'Day the closer? Matusz?
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Closer by commiittee?
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Win by 4. Problem solved.
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Win by 4. Problem solved.
Don't bring in Jim Johnson was the solution. 4 run lead with JJ in would have been gone soon enough.
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Win by 4. Problem solved.
Don't bring in Jim Johnson was the solution. 4 run lead with JJ in would have been gone soon enough.
He'll be put in tonight if the situation calls for it. He's still the closer.
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Win by 4. Problem solved.
Don't bring in Jim Johnson was the solution. 4 run lead with JJ in would have been gone soon enough.
He'll be put in tonight if the situation calls for it. He's still the closer.
I hope he won't. Buck deserves to lose his job if JJ blows another game. He had Patton warmed the other night a left-hander was up and JJ had already proven he couldn't get people out. No reason JJ was in the game. Can we get Kevin Gregg back?
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Can we get Kevin Gregg back?
I'm sure he'll forget all about being released in mid-September in the heart of a pennant chase, missing out on the playoffs and be a wonderful addition to the club house after having to sign a minor league deal this offseason because his option wasn't exercised by the O's.
Kevin Gregg is a pitcher throwing with a chip on his shoulder and it's precisely because he's not on the O's that he's so effective right now.
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It's time for a new approach to the role of closer (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130528/closers-struggling-chris-perez-jonathan-papelbon-mariano-rivera/index.html)
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It's time for a new approach to the role of closer (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130528/closers-struggling-chris-perez-jonathan-papelbon-mariano-rivera/index.html)
Billy Beane has been preaching this for as long as I can remember and has benefited from teams willing to overpay for "closers" for years.
Keith Foulke, Billy Koch, Jason Isringhausen, Huston Street, Andrew Bailey, Grant Balfour....
"I'll tell you why," Oakland general manager Billy Beane says. "It's the same reason more football coaches don't go for it on fourth-and-1. Because when it doesn't work, 30 of you guys come storming in wondering why the manager didn't go to the closer. It's turned into a situation where a lot of emotion is tied to that decision, just as a lot of emotion is tied to the fourth-down decision. Even if you know the odds, it's more comfortable being wrong when you go to the closer or the punter.
"The position has become very media-driven. It became a national story when Boston announced it would go with a bullpen by committee."
"Whitey Herzog had a lot of success with a closer by committee," Beane says. "Although now that I think back on it, I'm not sure they called it 'closer by committee' back then. I think then it was just called 'using your bullpen wisely.' Then closers became 'specialists.'"
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Suck it, O's
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Suck it, O's
Woo-hoo! One game winning streak!
Go back to your own sandbox.
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If the starter pitches 5 2/3 innings just bring in one guy to go 3 1/3 and then you don't need to bring in 5 relievers one of whom is more than likely to be off his game.
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If the starter pitches 5 2/3 innings just bring in one guy to go 3 1/3 and then you don't need to bring in 5 relievers one of whom is more than likely to be off his game.
ask the rockies how that worked.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/sports/baseball/rockies-reinvent-their-pitching-rotation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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If the starter pitches 5 2/3 innings just bring in one guy to go 3 1/3 and then you don't need to bring in 5 relievers one of whom is more than likely to be off his game.
ask the rockies how that worked.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/sports/baseball/rockies-reinvent-their-pitching-rotation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
This has nothing to do what I am talking about. I said use one reliever per game. This is saying limiting starters to 75 pitches.
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[ I said use one reliever per game.
Brilliant. I think you should email Buck with this nugget of wisdom.
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[ I said use one reliever per game.
Brilliant. I think you should email Buck with this nugget of wisdom.
Buck wouldn't do that. He misuses the pitchers. He pull pitchers out soon as they hit 100 pitches no matter if they are pitching well or not. And then goes through the entire bullpen wearing them out.
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[ I said use one reliever per game.
Brilliant. I think you should email Buck with this nugget of wisdom.
Buck wouldn't do that. He misuses the pitchers. He pull pitchers out soon as they hit 100 pitches no matter if they are pitching well or not. And then goes through the entire bullpen wearing them out.
i love that you think you can manage the rotation better than the manager
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11 pitches, nine strikes, three outs.
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11 pitches, nine strikes, three outs.
I thought you hated him.
Chris Davis. Don't fuck with that guy.
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Suck it, O's
huh
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My mom could get Tracy, Suzuki, and Espinosa out on 11 pitches.
11 pitches, nine strikes, three outs.
I thought you hated him.
Chris Davis. Don't fuck with that guy.
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[ I said use one reliever per game.
Brilliant. I think you should email Buck with this nugget of wisdom.
Buck wouldn't do that. He misuses the pitchers. He pull pitchers out soon as they hit 100 pitches no matter if they are pitching well or not. And then goes through the entire bullpen wearing them out.
i love that you think you can manage the rotation better than the manager
I love that you are an idiot who can't add anything to the conversation.
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Chris Davis. Don't fuck with that guy.
"Davis now has 18 homers through 53 games, which is the most by an Oriole since Brady Anderson had 20 through 53 games in 1996."
And we all know how that turned out.
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Chris Davis. Don't fuck with that guy.
"Davis now has 18 homers through 53 games, which is the most by an Oriole since Brady Anderson had 20 through 53 games in 1996."
And we all know how that turned out.
He wound up with 50. What else?
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Are you trying to say Chris Davis is a homosexual?
Chris Davis. Don't fuck with that guy.
"Davis now has 18 homers through 53 games, which is the most by an Oriole since Brady Anderson had 20 through 53 games in 1996."
And we all know how that turned out.
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[ I said use one reliever per game.
Brilliant. I think you should email Buck with this nugget of wisdom.
Buck wouldn't do that. He misuses the pitchers. He pull pitchers out soon as they hit 100 pitches no matter if they are pitching well or not. And then goes through the entire bullpen wearing them out.
i love that you think you can manage the rotation better than the manager
I love that you are an idiot who can't add anything to the conversation.
irony of ironies
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[ I said use one reliever per game.
Brilliant. I think you should email Buck with this nugget of wisdom.
Buck wouldn't do that. He misuses the pitchers. He pull pitchers out soon as they hit 100 pitches no matter if they are pitching well or not. And then goes through the entire bullpen wearing them out.
i love that you think you can manage the rotation better than the manager
I love that you are an idiot who can't add anything to the conversation.
irony of ironies
You are in a baseball freaking thread complaining about someone discussing the baseball team. If you don't like it when someone states an opinion feel free to disagree with it. But the stupidity of a statement like he is the manager so he knows more than your is equal he is the president he knows more than you do about running a country when you disagree with his policy in Afghanistan.
And I don't do what you are doing. You are being a bitch. Get a life.
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What else?
Exactly.
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Are you trying to say Chris Davis is a homosexual?
Nope. Hottest wife on the team:
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/chris-davis-wife-jill-davis.jpg)
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And I don't do what you are doing. You are being a bitch. Get a life.
You're very angry these days. Everything OK at home?
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[ I said use one reliever per game.
Brilliant. I think you should email Buck with this nugget of wisdom.
Buck wouldn't do that. He misuses the pitchers. He pull pitchers out soon as they hit 100 pitches no matter if they are pitching well or not. And then goes through the entire bullpen wearing them out.
i love that you think you can manage the rotation better than the manager
I love that you are an idiot who can't add anything to the conversation.
irony of ironies
You are in a baseball freaking thread complaining about someone discussing the baseball team. If you don't like it when someone states an opinion feel free to disagree with it. But the stupidity of a statement like he is the manager so he knows more than your is equal he is the president he knows more than you do about running a country when you disagree with his policy in Afghanistan.
And I don't do what you are doing. You are being a bitch. Get a life.
stop being hostile no need for that
your suggestion that buck set a two pitchers per game limit. that was funny. that was not complaining. i clearly said i loved what you were doing.
you're a joke.
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What else?
Exactly.
Vice President of baseball operations. And he once dated Ashley Judd.
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Vice President of baseball operations.
I was thinking more along the lines of that 5 year, $31 million deal he was given. But yes I'd kill to be VP of a baseball team.
And he once dated Ashley Judd.
Respect.
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Are you trying to say Chris Davis is a homosexual?
Nope. Hottest wife on the team:
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/chris-davis-wife-jill-davis.jpg)
That woman isn't hot. Fake blonde, tons of make-up and bad facial structure.
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Weird atmosphere at the game last night. Was sandwiched between rows of drunks and Nats fans. It was funny at times, but got kind of annoying.
Nats fans praying JJ would come in and save them......didn't quite work out the way they planned it.
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There were about a million people still jammed together outside of Pickles at game time. And the CF bar seemed to be overflowing. Lots of people getting their drink on. Game? What game?
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I may not agree with your taste in beers, but just perhaps i agree with your taste in women.
;)
Are you trying to say Chris Davis is a homosexual?
Nope. Hottest wife on the team:
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/chris-davis-wife-jill-davis.jpg)
That woman isn't hot. Fake blonde, tons of make-up and bad facial structure.
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I'll be at my first and perhaps only O's game of the year tonight. Gonna be a hot one!
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I'm gonna go with Mrs. Roberts for hottest wife.
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/fhm21.jpg)
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Can we get back to baseball please? Or at least post some objectifying player pics to make up for these chicks.
thanks.
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Atomicfront's company softball team recently had its first practice.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz00wyv5Oh1qbnbc9o1_500.jpg)
Can we get back to baseball please? Or at least post some objectifying player pics to make up for these chicks.
thanks.
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I realize I let myself fall into this trap.
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I arrived in the top of the 4th and left in the top of the 9th. I don't think the O's had a hit the whole time I was there.
I'd like to think my early departure boosted them on to victory.
I'll be at my first and perhaps only O's game of the year tonight. Gonna be a hot one!
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/orioles-we-have-enough-talent-to-win-5-more-games,28390/
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12 months later that's still not funny.
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The onion hates Baltimore.
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The Oriole Bird makes his All Star picks using a...... uh, using a...... That can't be what I think it is.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/kmdobrz/bird_zps210beebf.jpg)
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Cal Ripken didn't miss any games when his grandmother died.
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I think he scheduled her death during the off-season. Cal's pretty organized that way.
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Looks like the closer is back on track. Had some good sink last night.
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That game last night was a joke and should not have been played. Made me glad I moved away...
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That game last night was a joke and should not have been played. Made me glad I moved away...
Guess teams don't like playing doubleheaders. Plus it's the only time the Angels will be in town.
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Guess teams don't like playing doubleheaders. Plus it's the only time the Angels will be in town.
It's only one game so it's not a big deal. It's not like one game has ever made a difference in the standings at the end of the season.
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That game last night was a joke and should not have been played. Made me glad I moved away...
Seems like the Orioles play no matter what and the Nationals cancelled a game for a drizzle. I don't mind as I wasn't at the game. Football players can play in the rain so why not baseball players. I don't like the 2+ hour delays if I were at the game I would not have stayed. I have been at games were it started raining pretty heavily and I moved up to the front row right behind the dug-out. But as I have the season ticket plan I see enough games where I can miss a few innnings.
Looks like I am not going to see the Angels this year. My plan had tickets for Wednesdays game but it is in the afternoon so I exchanged them for another game. Seeing a show tonight. Maybe next year.
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I don't think they should have played in that much rain last night. Was getting dangerous. I understand they had to get the game in, but it was kind of a joke.
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Football players can play in the rain so why not baseball players.
Probably because it's a completely different sport, but I'm not sure.
Looks like I am not going to see the Angels this year.
With the exception of Mike Trout, you're not missing much.
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Football players can play in the rain so why not baseball players.
I hate when people say this - it's just dumb. I dare you to stand in the batter's box and have a pitcher try to throw a plus-90 fastball at you in the pouring rain.
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It's only one game so it's not a big deal. It's not like one game has ever made a difference in the standings at the end of the season.
"You want to keep the game going," Scioscia said. "The field was playable to start that inning, and I think that at the point they stopped it, it needed to be stopped. I didn't see any issue there at all."
Besides, one game either way won't make a difference to the Angels. ;D
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Besides, one game either way won't make a difference to the Angels. ;D
I wasn't referring to my team, who haven't been with in a game in 5 years...
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Football players can play in the rain so why not baseball players.
I hate when people say this - it's just dumb. I dare you to stand in the batter's box and have a pitcher try to throw a plus-90 fastball at you in the pouring rain.
The pouring rain has nothing to do with this equation. I would rather do that than be a running back for an nfl team on a clear day. They aren't concerned about the batters in the box anyway when they cancel games. More like baserunning and fielding in the outfield.
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So rain has no effect on a pitcher's ability to grip and control a baseball. Well imagine that.
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So rain has no effect on a pitcher's ability to grip and control a baseball. Well imagine that.
You are arguing for arguments sake. I don't see a bunch of people getting hit in the head when is raining. They can play in the rain. They have cleats and rosin bags. And guys throwing drying compound on the field. I wish they would ban umbrellas at the game. They block my view. I had to tell people at the last game to put theirs down.
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They have rosin bags.
You've clearly never touched a wet rosin bag. It's useless. It goes from Rosin to puddy in no time.
You cannot grip a wet baseball and throw it in a 17 inch square with any effectiveness or accuracy.
I understand that you have no idea what you're taking about until you've actually tried it, so I suggest you and get back to use then.
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Looks like Trout gave Bourjos some fielding lessons on how to play the outfield at Camden Yards. Wow.
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Looks like Trout gave Bourjos some fielding lessons on how to play the outfield at Camden Yards. Wow.
As I tweeted K8ee....
"Angel's CFers don't think the walls in Camden are properly placed. It's like they're not even there sometimes..."
That's why Sciosc plays Trout in left - Bourjos can hold his own in center.
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Ridiculous fielding so far.
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Ridiculous fielding so far.
They have to after that call.
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I would let my girlfriend sleep with Mike Trout on the hopes that she got pregnant and I could call that kid my own.
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That 7th inning was the Halo's season in a nut shell.
Ground into a double play, 3rd of the game.
Then get 2 outs, starter gives up 3 infield singles that don't reach the infield dirt, and the reliever can't get an out.
I don't know why I'm still watching.
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I love low-scoring games with key hits and solid defense. Fortunate to get those infield nubbers, but that's how baseball goes sometimes. Very entertaining game.
Not that it matters, but the 1st infield single actually made it to the outfield grass.
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I love low-scoring games with key hits and solid defense. Fortunate to get those infield nubbers, but that's how baseball goes sometimes. Very entertaining game.
Yes, it was exactly the type of game I love too. I've just grown tired of seeing our 9 figure offense not produce.
That being said, I'm happy I made to the office in time to see the first pitch today. Glutton for punishment I guess...
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FROM BUSTER'S BLOG TODAY:
One of baseball?s most popular debates in the past year has involved two players: Mike Trout or Bryce Harper?
Harper is perceived to have more power, Trout more speed. Trout is thought to have more range, Harper the better arm.
But it?s time that the conversation over the sport?s best young player be changed. It must include a third player -- the Orioles? Manny Machado. In the year that Harper was drafted No. 1 overall, Machado was chosen two picks later, and the 20-year-old has continued to be overshadowed by Harper and Trout. He arrived in the big leagues a few months after the two last season, and hasn?t had the sort of attention that the other two have had.
This season, however, Machado has blossomed, hitting .315 in his first 65 games, with 34 extra-base hits (including 27 doubles) and 41 runs. Already, Machado is regarded as one of baseball?s best defenders on the left side of the infield.
I informally polled a bunch of talent evaluators around the sport about how they would rank the three players, and based on their answers, Machado already is viewed as a player comparable to the other two -- and there already is concern over Harper?s ability to stay healthy.
Total number of votes: 9. Points are based on 3-2-1 system. Here are the results:
Trout: 22
Machado: 17 1/2
Harper: 14 1/2
Some of the comments:
AL evaluator: "I would keep Machado at No. 3 only because the other two guys are center fielders, middle of the diamond capable; so their premium positon value keeps them at the top of the list for me."
NL evaluator: "Over the long haul, I think Trout's body composition could diminish some of his speed and explosiveness. I know this is a small, nitpicky distinction. I actually think Machado is the most skilled of the three. The other two are just such phenomenal strength/speed athletes."
AL official: "I still take Trout first because he just impacts the game at another level on offense, bases and defense (despite this year?s numbers which I think will reverse again). Machado is really good and actually I think is the best bet of the three for the longest and most productive career -- the best bet for the Hall of Fame because of the length of career and numbers he?ll pile up and there are so many directions he can go in as he ages -- right side of infield, outfield, etc. But I think Trout contributes more wins in his best years than Machado in his best years. ... Somebody has to be third and it?s Harper for me (as it would have been last year) because of the effort in his game and long-term durability concerns."
NL official: "It's closer between Harper and Machado than it was in the past, but Harper is still so young and talented it gives me pause to put even Trout ahead of him. However, Trout impacts the game in so many ways and is so good he's the best player in baseball right now and could be for the next 10 years. Harper has a higher upside, if not less certainty than Machado, and given their ages and all the development that remains all this ranking is about at this point is upside."
NL executive: ?I?d have Machado at No. 1 because he is more graceful, with flowing athletic skills -- poised and athletic easy-action skills are able to make adjustments as required for longevity, like Jeter and early A-Rod, and like Chipper Jones? graceful swing.
"Trout and Harper are both physical strength guys who have linebacker mentality. They may go through injuries and also may struggle later (5-7 years from now) like Kirk Gibson, Bo Jackson. Gibson played as a regular from age 26-32 and then his decline started. Bo had a football injury. Grady Sizemore is similar to a Harper. The mentality to be overly physical hurts players, and outfielders have more wear and tear physically."
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Since when is Harper a center fielder?
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Looks like Trout gave Bourjos some fielding lessons on how to play the outfield at Camden Yards. Wow.
As I tweeted K8ee....
"Angel's CFers don't think the walls in Camden are properly placed. It's like they're not even there sometimes..."
That's why Sciosc plays Trout in left - Bourjos can hold his own in center.
Did you see the meme of him stealing a home run from Hardy in 2012 too?
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Also Machado > Harper. PLEASE.
And Manny is awesome. Bryce Harper seems like a douche.
I was rooting for Trout to win rookie of the year last year, if only because the last Angels pitcher to win it was named Salmon. :)
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And a Mormon. Or am I just repeating what you said?
And Manny is awesome. Bryce Harper seems like a douche.
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And a Mormon. Or am I just repeating what you said?
And Manny is awesome. Bryce Harper seems like a douche.
I once had a Mormon co-worker. Instead of leaving a tip at dinner, he left a pamphlet about being mormon. I had to go back and pick it up off the table and leave his part of the tip.
That should answer your question.
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Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..
being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
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Blah blah blah.
Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.
And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.
Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..
being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
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God, Strop is awful. What happened to him?
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I don't know, but he's not the same as last year...over it.
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Blah blah blah.
Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.
And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.
Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..
being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....
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Are you playing dumb or just plain dumb? Obviously, I was referring to Cabrera.
Machado seems like a good guy. The accolades he has thus far recieved seem to be on point with someone who has batted .296 and hit 12 home runs in his first 116 career games.
Blah blah blah.
Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.
And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.
Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..
being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....
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Are you playing dumb or just plain dumb? Obviously, I was referring to Cabrera.
Machado seems like a good guy. The accolades he has thus far recieved seem to be on point with someone who has batted .296 and hit 12 home runs in his first 116 career games.
Blah blah blah.
Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.
And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.
Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..
being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....
You're the dumb one jerky.. machado has been virtually ignored compared to Harper and Trout.
You were trying to say that Cabrera was ignored cause he is a drunk and beats his wife.. well whats your excuse for Machado? I guess he's also a drunk that beats his wife?
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I don't think Machado has been ignored. Harper has been overhyped. Though I bet they talk more in Baltimore about Machado than they do Harper.
Trout has put up the numbers to back the hype he has received.
Are you playing dumb or just plain dumb? Obviously, I was referring to Cabrera.
Machado seems like a good guy. The accolades he has thus far recieved seem to be on point with someone who has batted .296 and hit 12 home runs in his first 116 career games.
Blah blah blah.
Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.
And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.
Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..
being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....
You're the dumb one jerky.. machado has been virtually ignored compared to Harper and Trout.
You were trying to say that Cabrera was ignored cause he is a drunk and beats his wife.. well whats your excuse for Machado? I guess he's also a drunk that beats his wife?
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I don't think Machado has been ignored. Harper has been overhyped. Though I bet they talk more in Baltimore about Machado than they do Harper.
Trout has put up the numbers to back the hype he has received.
Are you playing dumb or just plain dumb? Obviously, I was referring to Cabrera.
Machado seems like a good guy. The accolades he has thus far recieved seem to be on point with someone who has batted .296 and hit 12 home runs in his first 116 career games.
Blah blah blah.
Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.
And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.
Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..
being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....
You're the dumb one jerky.. machado has been virtually ignored compared to Harper and Trout.
You were trying to say that Cabrera was ignored cause he is a drunk and beats his wife.. well whats your excuse for Machado? I guess he's also a drunk that beats his wife?
boy you really are a dumb one.. who cares who they talk about in Baltimore.. that wasn't the point of the article... the point was he's been virtually ignored nationally but talent evaluators rate him higher than Harper and see more long term potential in Machado than Trout or Harper whose bigger frames may lead to injuries.. did you read the article dude???
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Machado was not getting the same amount of press because he came up 3 and half months after Trout and Harper - Buster was doing a disservice to the reader by saying "a few months later." As baseball is only a 6 month season, 3 and half months is a long damn time.
Now that he's played 100 games, people are taking notice. I will remind you that he finished his 2012 season with a .262 average and a high K rate, which led a lot of evaluators wonder how long it was going to take to be elite. Kudo's to him for cutting his swing down, which has increased his average and replaced HR's with doubles. It's a just a matter of time before maturity and strength turns those doubles into HRs and that's what the scouts are starting to see.
Why the scouts think of Trout as only a speed guy is beyond me. He's got as much power, if not more, than Harper. Sure he stole 49 bases last year, but he hit 31 HR's, or 9 more than Harper in the same number of games. I would also like to point out that he's never been on the DL, so the idea that he's overly physical just because of his size is undeserved. He's much more mature and smart about what he does on the field than Bryce Harper.
It was year ago today that I said Trout was better than Harper (http://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=21873.msg342367#msg342367), and it still isn't close. He's been better in every category.
It was sometime in September that I said Machado is better than Harper, albeit jokingly. I think.
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Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
I had this conversation with The Director last season. Cabrera's personal history is definitely part of it, and he's not known as the nicest guy when it comes to the media.
But there is a huge split in baseball coverage these days thanks to Sabermetrics - I'm sure you will recall our WAR discussion from last season and the various other categories we were discussing between Trout and Cabrera. Those discussions are happening in the media too and that was reflected in the coverage of Cabrera's Triple Crown. The new guard doesn't care about the old culture, when there is so much more data available today.
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Granted I'm old, but I still don't get why leading the league in all 3 categories - avg, hr and rbi - is pooped on by these sabers.
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Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?
I had this conversation with The Director last season. Cabrera's personal history is definitely part of it, and he's not known as the nicest guy when it comes to the media.
But there is a huge split in baseball coverage these days thanks to Sabermetrics - I'm sure you will recall our WAR discussion from last season and the various other categories we were discussing between Trout and Cabrera. Those discussions are happening in the media too and that was reflected in the coverage of Cabrera's Triple Crown. The new guard doesn't care about the old culture, when there is so much more data available today.
Cabrera had the second highest offensive WAR last season. 7.8 to Trouts 8.0. 2nd in 2011 as well and he is leading the league this year. Make no mistake Cabrera is a beast with the bat even with Sabermetrics .
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Granted I'm old, but I still don't get why leading the league in all 3 categories - avg, hr and rbi - is pooped on by these sabers.
Cabrera had the second highest offensive WAR last season. 7.8 to Trouts 8.0. 2nd in 2011 as well and he is leading the league this year. Make no mistake Cabrera is a beast with the bat even with Sabermetrics .
And that's where the misunderstanding is - it's not pooped on, nor is it not recognized as being exemplary.
They just thought he should have finished second in the voting and not first, especially when you factor in defense. The MVP is not supposed to be a Silver Slugger Award, it's supposed to be the Most Valuable Player, which includes defense, or, sadly, only on the rare occasion pitching.
No one's saying he had a crappy season or that it should be ignored. Classic journalists simply had them reversed 1 and 2 from Sabermetricians because the historical precedent of a "Triple Crown," the history of which is mired in the few stats MLB actually used to track back in the day, is less relevant now that MLB tracks a multitude of additional statistics.
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Granted I'm old, but I still don't get why leading the league in all 3 categories - avg, hr and rbi - is pooped on by these sabers.
Cabrera had the second highest offensive WAR last season. 7.8 to Trouts 8.0. 2nd in 2011 as well and he is leading the league this year. Make no mistake Cabrera is a beast with the bat even with Sabermetrics .
And that's where the misunderstanding is - it's not pooped on, nor is it not recognized as being exemplary.
They just thought he should have finished second in the voting and not first, especially when you factor in defense. The MVP is not supposed to be a Silver Slugger Award, it's supposed to be the Most Valuable Player, which includes defense, or, sadly, only on the rare occasion pitching.
No one's saying he had a crappy season or that it should be ignored. Classic journalists simply had them reversed 1 and 2 from Sabermetricians because the historical precedent of a "Triple Crown," the history of which is mired in the few stats MLB actually used to track back in the day, is less relevant now that MLB tracks a multitude of additional statistics.
Well the Angels didn't even make the playoffs. So That is why Cabrera won the award.
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Well the Angels didn't even make the playoffs. So That is why Cabrera won the award.
Oh, Rookie.
Where shall I start? How about records:
2012 Angels: 89-73
2012 Tigers: 88-74
What?! The Angels had a better record and only missed the playoff's because they didn't play in the AL Central? Well let's give it to Cabrera then because he clearly was wise to pick a weak division. So because they had 40% of their games against 3 of the worst 4 records in the AL, he deserves the MVP? If the Angels only had to fend off the White Sox, they would have made the playoffs too. Or were located somewhere else.
Or I could just follow the instructions given to voters (emphasis added):
Dear Voter:
There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.
The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:
1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.
2. Number of games played.
3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.
4. Former winners are eligible.
5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.
You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration.
Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, including pitchers and designated hitters.
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Well the Angels didn't even make the playoffs. So That is why Cabrera won the award.
Actually, this guy goes even further:
Beyond that, though, Trout's team was simply better than Cabrera's. The Angels had a better record than the Tigers by one game, and they had the better run differential. The Angels were five games over .500 against the AL Central, while the Tigers were seven games under .500 against the AL West. And that brings us to strength of schedule.
In 2012, the teams of the AL West were a combined 54 games over .500 against teams from outside the division and 28 games over .500 against Cabrera's AL Central. Additionally, the AL West had a winning mark against all comers -- the AL East, the AL Central and interleague opponents. The teams of the AL Central, meantime, were 52 games below .500 against opponents from outside the division. Also keep in mind that this is the era of the unbalanced schedule. As a consequence, Trout's Angels played just 66 games against teams with losing records (average opponents' winning percentage: .513), while Cabrera's Tigers played 88 games against teams with losing records (average opponents' winning percentage: .495).
There's simply no comparison on this front. The Tigers made the playoffs because they were able to fend off the middling White Sox. The Angels failed to make the playoffs because they weren't able to fend off the A's and Rangers, postseason clubs, both.
So if you invoke the "his team made the playoffs" argument in this instance, then what you're really doing is rewarding Cabrera for his refined taste in weak opponents.
Source: CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/20996826/why-mike-trout-shouldve-been-the-al-mvp)
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why have people vote for MVP anyways? Just go by Smackie's statistical formula...
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Anyway third base is a lot harder position to play than outfield. And Cabrera moved to third because Prince Fielder was signed. I mean Cabrera wasn't great but he wasn't bad for a guy who played the previous three seasons playing first base. Trout's fielding this year is way down. WAR isn't an exact science and .2 war isn't that much difference. I will go with the guy who won the triple crown.
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why have people vote for MVP anyways? Just go by Smackie's statistical formula...
Because MLB loves debates - keeps them in the press.
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Why go by statistical formulas? Just make Derek Jeter MVP for every year. He's the guy the women want to bed, and the men want to be.
why have people vote for MVP anyways? Just go by Smackie's statistical formula...
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Why go by statistical formulas? Just make Derek Jeter MVP for every year. He's the guy the women want to bed, and the men want to be.
why have people vote for MVP anyways? Just go by Smackie's statistical formula...
I don't want to be Derek Jeter. I can't stand that guy. I would want to be Tom Brady but wrong sport.
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To bring this back to the O's - do not let Chris Davis participate in the HR Derby.
You've been warned.
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To bring this back to the O's - do not let Chris Davis participate in the HR Derby.
You've been warned.
No debate there. Totally messes up your swing.
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Are Pearce, Dickerson, Valencia, and Reimold so good that they can't give this guy a chance?
Triple-A Norfolk first baseman Travis Ishikawa, who was named the Orioles? organizational player of the month for May, has asked through his representation for an early opt-out of his contract, but it has not been granted.
He can officially opt-out of his minor league deal after Saturday ? and that almost certainly will happen. The 29-year-old left-handed hitter was not in Thursday?s lineup for the Tides.
?We had requested to their front office that if they weren?t going to call him up, we?d like to exercise the out a few days early, but they haven?t granted that,? said Ishikawa?s agent, Jim McDowell. ?So he is in a holding period right now. Potentially, they could make a trade before Saturday or call him up.?
Ishikawa is batting .316 with seven homers, 31 RBIs and a .939 on-base-plus slugging percentage in 49 games. He was the organization?s hitter of the month for May when he batted .413 with all seven homers in 21 games during the month.
But he is behind big league home run leader Chris Davis at first base, and the Orioles seem content with using multiple players at designated hitter, including Steve Pearce, Chris Dickerson, Danny Valencia and the injured Nolan Reimold, among others. So it seems like a real long shot that Ishikawa will be called up ? meaning his time in the organization is ending.
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-travis-ishikawa-asked-for-early-opt-out-20130613,0,4723595.story#ixzz2WDRUT567
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Ishikawa is a classic AAAA player. I watched him hit .250 season after season in SF while they were waiting for him to turn the corner. A .360 AAA hitter means he will be no better than a .250 hitter in the bigs. He's probably more expensive than than the other two who aren't on the DL...
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Ishikawa is a classic AAAA player. I watched him hit .250 season after season in SF while they were waiting for him to turn the corner. A .360 AAA hitter means he will be no better than a .250 hitter in the bigs. He's probably more expensive than than the other two who aren't on the DL...
He is probably better than mark Reynolds.. I guess he was insurance if Davis had problems fielding.
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Ishikawa is a classic AAAA player. I watched him hit .250 season after season in SF while they were waiting for him to turn the corner. A .360 AAA hitter means he will be no better than a .250 hitter in the bigs. He's probably more expensive than than the other two who aren't on the DL...
Depends on the AAA league. .900 OPS in the hitter-friendly PCL is very different than in Norfolk, which is an extreme pitchers' park.
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Ishikawa is a classic AAAA player. I watched him hit .250 season after season in SF while they were waiting for him to turn the corner. A .360 AAA hitter means he will be no better than a .250 hitter in the bigs. He's probably more expensive than than the other two who aren't on the DL...
Depends on the AAA league. .900 OPS in the hitter-friendly PCL is very different than in Norfolk, which is an extreme pitchers' park. You're probably right about Ishikawa, though.
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Dickerson is really good. Coming into his own.
I like Pearce too.
Isn't Reimold still on the DL?
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I think you just go with whoever is hot. Valencia is the guy now.
It's the middle of June. Of course Reimold is on the DL. And playing golf and going to prayer meetings with Brian Roberts.
Dickerson is really good. Coming into his own.
I like Pearce too.
Isn't Reimold still on the DL?
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I think you just go with whoever is hot. Valencia is the guy now.
It's the middle of June. Of course Reimold is on the DL. And playing golf and going to prayer meetings with Brian Roberts.
Dickerson is really good. Coming into his own.
I like Pearce too.
Isn't Reimold still on the DL?
"I go with"? I watch every single game. And have for the last 30 years. I definitely do not go with whomever is hot at the time. I enjoy watching the players succeed!
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By "you", I meant Buck Showalter. Meaning he should play the hot bat. Which a couple of weeks ago was Dickerson and right now appears to be Valencia. Maybe at some point it will be Pearce.
I don't think any of those three will pull a McClouth out of closet and be anything more than a journeyman. Not that McClouth has completely advance himself beyond journeyman status either.
I think you just go with whoever is hot. Valencia is the guy now.
It's the middle of June. Of course Reimold is on the DL. And playing golf and going to prayer meetings with Brian Roberts.
Dickerson is really good. Coming into his own.
I like Pearce too.
Isn't Reimold still on the DL?
"I go with"? I watch every single game. And have for the last 30 years. I definitely do not go with whomever is hot at the time. I enjoy watching the players succeed!
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Good. Being as it's bitch day, I am just overly sensitive!
haha.
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I totally got sucked into registering for the Orioles Casey Cares 5K in August. Home plate finishing photo? Yes, please.
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Fun Fact Time!
Manny Machado leads the majors with 32 doubles and Chris Davis leads with 23 homers. According to STATS, the only time in the modern era of baseball that teammates finished outright leaders in doubles and homers in the same season was 1927, when Lou Gehrig had 52 doubles and Babe Ruth hit 60 homers.
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Wow, Jake Arrieta vs. Max Scherer and Zach Britton vs. Justin Verlander.
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Verlander: 5 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 4 BB, 5 K, 102 P, 42 B, 60S.
They don't play the game on paper.
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No they don't. And Zach Britton came out with something to prove!
Has anyone been to Comerica? We are going there over labor day. Also hitting up the Orioles series in Cleveland (after Cedar Point).
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Blue Jays are sending Dickey, Wang and Johnson against the O's this weekend.
You can't make this stuff up.
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Amazing.
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2 out of 3 versus the mighty Tigers. The Orioles keep on stomping teams down.
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Blue Jays are sending Dickey, Wang and Johnson against the O's this weekend.
You can't make this stuff up.
Huh Huh You said 'Wang' Huh Huh
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Machado has played every inning since the Orioles called him up from Double-A Bowie, and he's hit second in every game this season. You may have noticed that the results are favorable. The experiment thus far has been a rousing success.
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I hope this doesn't mean the O's are screwed.
Blue Jays are sending Dickey, Wang and Johnson against the O's this weekend.
You can't make this stuff up.
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Machado has played every inning since the Orioles called him up from Double-A Bowie, and he's hit second in every game this season. You may have noticed that the results are favorable. The experiment thus far has been a rousing success.
School of Roch rules!
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Wow, second slump of season. Hope it doesn't drop them to fifth.
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All will be fine. It's a marathon, not a sprint!
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Wow, second slump of season. Hope it doesn't drop them to fifth.
In this division that could very well happen
We'll rebound. Eventually.
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Wow, second slump of season. Hope it doesn't drop them to fifth.
In this division that could very well happen
We'll rebound. Eventually.
Once Chen gets back we will be solid. Well we still will only have 4 decent starters. DD really dropped the ball on getting another starter. He should have traded Bundy or Gausman to get a solid guy who could pitch now.
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I don't like that idea at all.
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The thing is, with pitching, you never know. You could pay millions and then he could mess up his arm the second week of the season. I think they did what they should have done.
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Still say they should have re-signed Saunders.
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The thing is, with pitching, you never know. You could pay millions and then he could mess up his arm the second week of the season. I think they did what they should have done.
You mean you had faith that Arrieta was going to be a legitimate big league starter?
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Still say they should have re-signed Saunders.
I don't know. 5-7 with Seattle is not a very defining statistic, but his 4.48 ERA and his home and away splits seem to indicate he's benefiting greatly from Seattle's pitcher friendly park. 2.53 ERA at home, but 6.46 on the road probably doesn't bode well in Baltimore's hitter friendly park.
But he's cheap at $6.5m and he eats up innings, which has been a problem for the O's. He's gone into the 7th in 9 of his 15 starts...6 of which were in Seattle, of course.
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Still say they should have re-signed Saunders.
I don't know. 5-7 with Seattle is not a very defining statistic, but his 4.48 ERA and his home and away splits seem to indicate he's benefiting greatly from Seattle's pitcher friendly park. 2.53 ERA at home, but 6.46 on the road probably doesn't bode well in Baltimore's hitter friendly park.
But he's cheap at $6.5m and he eats up innings, which has been a problem for the O's. He's gone into the 7th in 9 of his 15 starts...6 of which were in Seattle, of course.
Bundy joining his brother on the long term disable list. Having surgery tomorrow Tommy John style.
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Bundy joining his brother on the long term disable list. Having surgery tomorrow Tommy John style.
When I saw he was visiting Dr. James Andrews, I feared that. Bummer.
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Thinking positive thoughts. He'll be back better than ever in '15.
And I don't think we'll be subjected to the sturm und drang of Strasburg's TJ ordeal.
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sometimes I think modern day pitchers are being asked to do something the arm, mostly, wasn't meant to do..
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Throwing a baseball repeatedly at over 90 mph is certainly an unnatural act, but pitching has always been pitching. Is it the reliance on the breaking ball at too young an age? Are high school and college coaches blowing out arms in order to win tournaments?
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fucking Johnson
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Henry Urrutia - the next Yasiel Puig?
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(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8mp8xzNBU1rv2dkl.jpg)
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Kick ass. Went on Saturday and was surrounded by Yankee fans! Funny to see them all go home in the 6th inning...
SWEEP!
I love this team.
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Kick ass. Went on Saturday and was surrounded by Yankee fans! Funny to see them all go home in the 6th inning...
SWEEP!
I love this team.
I was next to this Yankees fan on Friday night and I said loudly that he should have to buy two seats. My wife got mad at me saying I was being rude But I am 6'2 220lbs and I can fit in my seat. If he is taking up half my seat he needs to be embarrassed. Anyway the rest of the people around me were Orioles fans and we had a good time. I guess there were more there on Saturday.
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The SAME thing happened to me. This girl sat next to me and was over the armrest. I didn't say anything because she made me feel super skinny and left after the 5th inning anyway.
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I didn't say anything because she made me feel super skinny.
Women are the best. Though I will never understand their logic, I will never stop trying to figure it out.
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Ha!
Seriously. Sit next to a person who's body, not arms, totally hog the armrest next to you, and you will feel so small sitting in your seat where you get to choose to lean on the armrest if you want!
Also, I'm trying to be nice and not yell at Yankee fans.
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Ha!
Seriously. Sit next to a person who's body, not arms, totally hog the armrest next to you, and you will feel so small sitting in your seat where you get to choose to lean on the armrest if you want!
Also, I'm trying to be nice and not yell at Yankee fans.
I definitely don't like the feeling. I was on a airplane flight to Atlanta once and the guy that sat next to me was 6' 8" and around 330lbs. And he spread all out and I was crushed up against the airplane. It was definitely not a pleasant experience. I believe he must have been a professional football player as it was around the time training camps started and the stewardess gave him her phone number underneath a napkin. Worst experince ever. And I thought I was going to be happy to get the exit row seat.
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If you haven't had a chance, I recommend Episode 4 of "Legit" where Jim Jefferies lays out the rules of airplane etiquette, including how to properly share an arm rest.
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can use the broom to sweep strop over to the cubs (thank god)
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Strop could no longer be trusted to get anybody out and was out of options. Arrieta - maybe he gets it one day. Or maybe he never will. Feldman helps short term, which is what they need.
Oh yeah. And Strop's gone.
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Have the O's ever had a Jewish player before this?
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Have the O's ever had a Jewish player before this?
John Lowenstein?
Steve Stone for sure.
Danny Valencia
David Newhan
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Have the O's ever had a Jewish player before this?
Danny Valencia is actually Jewish as well.
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David Newhan
I don't believe he's Jewish any longer, but thank you for reminding me of the towering home run he hit off me in High School in front of his dad, who was my favorite baseball writer for the LA Times.
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Oh yeah. And Strop's gone.
Interesting that they would move Marmol out and bring Strop in - they're pretty much the same guy, albeit at 1/20th of the price.
Cubs are shedding pay roll....
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Oh yeah. And Strop's gone.
Interesting that they would move Marmol out and bring Strop in - they're pretty much the same guy, albeit at 1/20th of the price.
Cubs are shedding pay roll....
They also picked up almost $1M extra in international slot money.
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They also picked up almost $1M extra in international slot money.
I think it was Keith Law who pointed how ridiculous it is that this has value but MLB forbids trading draft picks....
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I don't know if this pitcher from the Cub's is any good but not seeing Strop with his stupid crooked hat and his dumb big gold chain and not having to see him kiss the sky when he gives up a couple of runs and then finally gets someone out is a big bonus for me. Arrieta was awful as well. I am thinking the bonus money and the fact that they saved a little salary is the main reasons for this trade.
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I don't know if this pitcher from the Cub's is any good
Feldman is a quality sinker ball pitcher. As long as your infield won't boot the ball, he'll get outs and keep the ball in the park against lefties. He's got an absurdly low BABIP this season which won't keep up, but if the O's trust the left side of their infield he'll be a bonus.
And this trade had nothing to do with salary savings for the O's - Strop and Arrieta combined make $1m, Feldman makes $6m plus the O's picked up a backup catcher who makes the same as Strop. The O's traded Int'l money slots for two draft Int'l draft picks - the Cubs need a farm system while the O's would like a little more money to splash on one good player.
This trade was all about depth of the starting rotation.
EDIT: It was being reported incorrectly by ESPN. Baltimore gave up two slots in addition to Strop and Arrieta which are worth about $331k to the Cubs (there's this whole new crazy way international free agents are determined now based on slot values - the more you acquire the more you can spend). The Cubs must have an international player in mind because they also dealt a player to Houston for two other slots - some think this might be Eloy Jimenez, a 16-year-old outfielder.
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I don't know if this pitcher from the Cub's is any good
Feldman is a quality sinker ball pitcher. As long as your infield won't boot the ball, he'll get outs and keep the ball in the park against lefties. He's got an absurdly low BABIP this season which won't keep up, but if the O's trust the left side of their infield he'll be a bonus.
And this trade had nothing to do with salary savings for the O's - Strop and Arrieta combined make $1m, Feldman makes $6m plus the O's picked up a backup catcher who makes the same as Strop. The O's traded Int'l money slots for two draft Int'l draft picks - the Cubs need a farm system while the O's would like a little more money to splash on one good player.
This trade was all about depth of the starting rotation.
EDIT: It was being reported incorrectly by ESPN. Baltimore gave up two slots in addition to Strop and Arrieta which are worth about $331k to the Cubs (there's this whole new crazy way international free agents are determined now based on slot values - the more you acquire the more you can spend). The Cubs must have an international player in mind because they also dealt a player to Houston for two other slots - some think this might be Eloy Jimenez, a 16-year-old outfielder.
I meant it was made in part to save the Cubs money the other part to get more international money.
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I'm glad to get rid of Arrietta and all of his baseball shrinks, but I will miss his cute face.
I think it's a smart deal.
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I think it's a smart deal.
I think it's a win-win for both teams. The Cubs got a lot of pieces for a 3-month rental in Feldman.
I had forgotten about Showalter and Feldman's history, and I don't watch enough O's games to see the lefty/righty thing:
BUSTER OLNEY
By the way: Evaluators liked the Feldman trade for the Orioles too, because rather than wait for some upper-echelon option to emerge, they aggressively worked to make sure they got some help.
Feldman is cheaper than Garza will be, and certainly less than a Lee will cost, but Orioles Manager Buck Showalter knows Feldman, given his Rangers background; he knows that as a ground ball pitcher, Feldman is going to be OK pitching in a bandbox home ballpark; and knows that can pitch out of the bullpen if necessary. And he?s having a good season (3.46 ERA).
Like every other team, the Orioles would love to have five 240-inning starting pitchers. But in lieu of that, Showalter seems comfortable setting up right-hander/left-hander tandems and taking advantage of the increasingly specialized platoons that are being used by a lot of managers. Last weekend, for example, when Joe Girardi started his right-handed lineup against T.J. McFarland, Showalter wound up pulling the lefty after just 2 2/3 innings and installing right-hander Kevin Gausman -- who buzzed through the lineup of right-handed hitters.
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The McFarland thing was unusual, since it was the first time he had started. Pretty sure Buck would like to see his starters go more than 2+ innings.
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I think it's a smart deal.
I think it's a win-win for both teams. The Cubs got a lot of pieces for a 3-month rental in Feldman.
I had forgotten about Showalter and Feldman's history, and I don't watch enough O's games to see the lefty/righty thing:
BUSTER OLNEY
By the way: Evaluators liked the Feldman trade for the Orioles too, because rather than wait for some upper-echelon option to emerge, they aggressively worked to make sure they got some help.
Feldman is cheaper than Garza will be, and certainly less than a Lee will cost, but Orioles Manager Buck Showalter knows Feldman, given his Rangers background; he knows that as a ground ball pitcher, Feldman is going to be OK pitching in a bandbox home ballpark; and knows that can pitch out of the bullpen if necessary. And he?s having a good season (3.46 ERA).
Like every other team, the Orioles would love to have five 240-inning starting pitchers. But in lieu of that, Showalter seems comfortable setting up right-hander/left-hander tandems and taking advantage of the increasingly specialized platoons that are being used by a lot of managers. Last weekend, for example, when Joe Girardi started his right-handed lineup against T.J. McFarland, Showalter wound up pulling the lefty after just 2 2/3 innings and installing right-hander Kevin Gausman -- who buzzed through the lineup of right-handed hitters.
I don't think there were plenty of left handed batters in the Yankees line-up. It isn't like they take Cano out when a left-hander starts the game. And TJ was taken out because he was struggling.
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Fucking johnson
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He needs to be sent to the minors or somethin'
You could tell he was going to blow it..why leave him in?
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Tommy Big Game blew it the night before. Who do you throw out there now?
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Travis Ishikawa was claimed by the Yankees.
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To bring this back to the O's - do not let Chris Davis participate in the HR Derby.
You've been warned.
Davis isn't worried about the derby ruining his swing.
"I play Home Run Derby every day in BP," he said.
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Man oh Manny!
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Davis isn't worried about the derby ruining his swing.
"I play Home Run Derby every day in BP," he said.
He was due for a statistical regression anyway, but I'll just wait and let the facts prove the case, as it has done time and time again (with a few limited exceptions).
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Travis Ishikawa was claimed by the Yankees.
Hah that is great news for the Orioles.
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The last time I was at Camden Yards at the end of may, I mentioned to my friend that the Orioles were without their best pitcher, Chen.
The couple in front of me turned about and looked at me like I was crazy, and started seriously arguing with me that Chen wasn't the best pitcher, Steve Johnson was their best pitcher.
You gotta love some of those Baltimore geniuses.
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The last time I was at Camden Yards at the end of may, I mentioned to my friend that the Orioles were without their best pitcher, Chen.
The couple in front of me turned about and looked at me like I was crazy, and started seriously arguing with me that Chen wasn't the best pitcher, Steve Johnson was their best pitcher.
You gotta love some of those Baltimore geniuses.
No, you're the genius.
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The last time I was at Camden Yards at the end of may, I mentioned to my friend that the Orioles were without their best pitcher, Chen.
The couple in front of me turned about and looked at me like I was crazy, and started seriously arguing with me that Chen wasn't the best pitcher, Steve Johnson was their best pitcher.
You gotta love some of those Baltimore geniuses.
It might have been his parents or other relatives. Steve Johnson is from Baltimore area. I can't imagine anyone else thinking that but I am sure you were obnoxious as usual. More than likely you said all the other Orioles pitchers suck or something similar.
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Relatives was my first though.
What I said was "The O's just suffered a tough blow the other day. They lost their best pitcher."
The (seemingly drunk, 30-ish) women turned around and asked "Who is there best pitcher?"
I replied "Chen".
She started laughing and said "What are you talking about, Chen isn't their best pitcher, Steve Johnson is their best pitcher."
Her husband returns to his seat with a couple of fresh crap beers and she says, "Hey hon, this guy thinks Chen is the O's best pitcher." Then he started laughing too.
The last time I was at Camden Yards at the end of may, I mentioned to my friend that the Orioles were without their best pitcher, Chen.
The couple in front of me turned about and looked at me like I was crazy, and started seriously arguing with me that Chen wasn't the best pitcher, Steve Johnson was their best pitcher.
You gotta love some of those Baltimore geniuses.
It might have been his parents or other relatives. Steve Johnson is from Baltimore area. I can't imagine anyone else thinking that but I am sure you were obnoxious as usual. More than likely you said all the other Orioles pitchers suck or something similar.
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Eh, maybe they were from Dundalk. Or Essex.
Oh, and this Gonzalez guy seems pretty good too.
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went to the O's game today... only stayed a few innings (what with the kids, the heat and all)... but I got to hand it to Camden Yards - not that its my first time but it was my first time with the kids- they really do put on a good family friendly product... the ushers and staff are helpful.. very nice and real folk... they let us get in the wrong gate if you will because it was shorter, they kept mentioning the certificate for the kids for their first O's game, the ushers in the elevators were super friendly...
like i said its not a surprise as I've been to plenty of games in Baltimore and i like the town and its people but its quite a contrast with DC... not to mention the places around the ballpark... natty boh and a crabcake for $6??? good luck finding anything like that in DC.. everywhere around the ballpark there are nice looking regular bars- not lounges or places that opened last week- with reasonable beer specials.. the vendors outside the ballpark selling hot dogs or smokes for $1...
anyone ever been to the Babe Ruth Museum? I've been meaning to go for like 10 years now..I keep worrying one day I'll go to a game there and it won't be there..
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And that is why Baltimore is the best home town a girl could ever want!
We took my friends and their two kids (8 and 5) on Friday night and had the best time. They were mesmerized by the game, stayed the whole time, and played at the playground after the game.
I love Camden Yards and think it's the best stadium in baseball.
There are other places that come close (Wrigley, PNC), but Camden is still my home away from home.
And YAY! FIVE allstars in the game this week!
Go Crush Davis!
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I'm an Orioles fan, but as a NoVA resident, I'm now in the camp of preferring Nationals Stadium. Here's why:
1. I can routinely get $36 mezzanine tickets at Nats Stadium for $10-$12 on stubhub. Good seats, and they're in the shade. Where do I find Orioles tickets at a third of face value? Or even any tickets under face value?
2. Nats Stadium has a children's playground, IN THE STADIUM. Camden Yards does not.
3. I can park for free within a mile of Nats Stadium on a Sunday. After a 20 minute drive from my house. Or I can take Metro.
4. Ommegang Hennepin is the best beer sold at either stadium, and it's at Nats Stadium, not Camden Yards (ok, it is $10, but since I got my $36 seat for $12, I can still afford to get one).
Too bad the Orioles are the better and much more likeable team.
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I'm an Orioles fan, but as a NoVA resident, I'm now in the camp of preferring Nationals Stadium. Here's why:
1. I can routinely get $36 mezzanine tickets at Nats Stadium for $10-$12 on stubhub. Good seats, and they're in the shade. Where do I find Orioles tickets at a third of face value? Or even any tickets under face value?
2. Nats Stadium has a children's playground, IN THE STADIUM. Camden Yards does not.
3. I can park for free within a mile of Nats Stadium on a Sunday. After a 20 minute drive from my house. Or I can take Metro.
4. Ommegang Hennepin is the best beer sold at either stadium, and it's at Nats Stadium, not Camden Yards (ok, it is $10, but since I got my $36 seat for $12, I can still afford to get one).
Too bad the Orioles are the better and much more likeable team.
well i wasn't going to bring it up...but..
our seats at Camden were awful.. just awful.. section 69... given to us as part of an event so can't be too sad but we were there with two kids 3 and under so we got only 2 seats.. can you imagine? two seats ..for four people... in that heat..also way in so tough to get in and out.. and everytime people came through.. stand up while holding the two ids... in the back corner where you can't see anything and everytime anything happened the sound would just be so loud....
next time i'll get my own seats.. i guess i just assumed our seats would be decent but that corner was pretty awful..can't think of any seats that bad at Nats stadium.. and a 3 year old should get his own seat i think..
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I'm an Orioles fan, but as a NoVA resident, I'm now in the camp of preferring Nationals Stadium. Here's why:
1. I can routinely get $36 mezzanine tickets at Nats Stadium for $10-$12 on stubhub. Good seats, and they're in the shade. Where do I find Orioles tickets at a third of face value? Or even any tickets under face value?
2. Nats Stadium has a children's playground, IN THE STADIUM. Camden Yards does not.
3. I can park for free within a mile of Nats Stadium on a Sunday. After a 20 minute drive from my house. Or I can take Metro.
4. Ommegang Hennepin is the best beer sold at either stadium, and it's at Nats Stadium, not Camden Yards (ok, it is $10, but since I got my $36 seat for $12, I can still afford to get one).
Too bad the Orioles are the better and much more likeable team.
I went on the Metro to the Nationals stadium and it was the worst mistake ever. Took me an hour just to get on a subway car after the concert. I swore off the Metro 10 years ago and I let it have another chance. Looked around neighboorhood and it appears that they only have two bars both of which were at capacity.
What is up with the area right outside the club level. At Camden Yards that entire level is club. However at Nationals a lot of it is just plain concrete floor, exposed pipes and duct work and cinderblock walls. It looked like a old school basement like something out of Friday the 13th.
As for beer on the club level all they had was Samuel Adams, Blue Moon, and the like. At Camden Yards they have 4 varieties of Goose Island, a Flying Dog and a Fordham along with the usual stuff.
I was at the bar at the club level on Friday night and it was backed and this older guy is there and he orders two Merlots the bartender gives them to him and he gets snooty with her and says he needs cups as you aren't supposed to drink Merlot out of the bottle. And then he gives her exact change. I said "You are quite the big spender". he reminded me of you James Ford.
My season tickets are 32 bucks at Camden Yards but I am in lower box right near first base. I think that is a fair price. I got club levels outfield for 25 bucks the other night and then moved to the 60 dollar club seats at Camden Yards.
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I'm an Orioles fan, but as a NoVA resident, I'm now in the camp of preferring Nationals Stadium. Here's why:
1. I can routinely get $36 mezzanine tickets at Nats Stadium for $10-$12 on stubhub. Good seats, and they're in the shade. Where do I find Orioles tickets at a third of face value? Or even any tickets under face value?
2. Nats Stadium has a children's playground, IN THE STADIUM. Camden Yards does not.
3. I can park for free within a mile of Nats Stadium on a Sunday. After a 20 minute drive from my house. Or I can take Metro.
4. Ommegang Hennepin is the best beer sold at either stadium, and it's at Nats Stadium, not Camden Yards (ok, it is $10, but since I got my $36 seat for $12, I can still afford to get one).
Too bad the Orioles are the better and much more likeable team.
well i wasn't going to bring it up...but..
our seats at Camden were awful.. just awful.. section 69... given to us as part of an event so can't be too sad but we were there with two kids 3 and under so we got only 2 seats.. can you imagine? two seats ..for four people... in that heat..also way in so tough to get in and out.. and everytime people came through.. stand up while holding the two ids... in the back corner where you can't see anything and everytime anything happened the sound would just be so loud....
next time i'll get my own seats.. i guess i just assumed our seats would be decent but that corner was pretty awful..can't think of any seats that bad at Nats stadium.. and a 3 year old should get his own seat i think..
I can imagine section 69 being awful. I never sit in the overhang section. I think you probably had just about the worst seats in the stadium. Well 73 might be worse. Section 14 is awesome and that is where my tickets are located.
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From what I remember the beer selection at Camden is way better than Nats...doesn't mean the "best" beer might not be at Nats Stadium..its all personal preference
Everything is less of a hassle at Camden... people are more polite... and the list goes on
and yeah, Nats Stadium is ugly and you'd have thought with what they spent they could have made it nicer..
I think the one thing Nats Stadium has going is that the seats all have a fairly good view of the action..
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I can imagine section 69 being awful. I never sit in the overhang section. I think you probably had just about the worst seats in the stadium. Well 73 might be worse. Section 14 is awesome and that is where my tickets are located.
yeah they looked like the worst possible.. and we were way up in the corner...it was ridiculous.. i took one look at them and said "this ain't going to work.." and the day was so hot that with an infant you couldn't be in the sun either...
my good friend used to have 3 seats right straight behind home plate about 20 rows up i want to say.. saw so many games from there... just awesome.. got a bit spoilt i suppose.. unfortunately he had to give those seats up...they were just gold...
in a way they were sort of the equivalent of the Nats Lexus seats.. which i think go for $300.. i think my friend's seats couldn't have been more than $50 apiece and this was only about 3 years ago...
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I can imagine section 69 being awful. I never sit in the overhang section. I think you probably had just about the worst seats in the stadium. Well 73 might be worse. Section 14 is awesome and that is where my tickets are located.
yeah they looked like the worst possible.. and we were way up in the corner...it was ridiculous.. i took one look at them and said "this ain't going to work.." and the day was so hot that with an infant you couldn't be in the sun either...
my good friend used to have 3 seats right straight behind home plate about 20 rows up i want to say.. saw so many games from there... just awesome.. got a bit spoilt i suppose.. unfortunately he had to give those seats up...they were just gold...
in a way they were sort of the equivalent of the Nats Lexus seats.. which i think go for $300.. i think my friend's seats couldn't have been more than $50 apiece and this was only about 3 years ago...
Most expensive tickets even for a 13 game plan at Camden Yards are 48 dollars. I think that has to be quite a deal compared to just about any other professional team in the area. They haven't raised the price on Orioles tickets in the last 5 years.
Saturday was terribly hot as well. And we got their at 1:30 as we wanted to be at Buck and Dan Duquettes Q & A. I didn't even feel like drinking beer in that heat. I went to Dempsey's Place for an inning a half to cool down. Day games in July are not fun.
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Chris Davis has more HR's at the All Star Break that any Royal has had in a season. Ever.
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If you sit in terrace box, it's best to sit in the first 4 rows. We were in 9 in the 10th row on Friday and it was still a good seat.
My favorite seats are in the upper reserve behind home plate.
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If you sit in terrace box, it's best to sit in the first 4 rows. We were in 9 in the 10th row on Friday and it was still a good seat.
My favorite seats are in the upper reserve behind home plate.
I would say upper reserve behind home plate are the best value seats. I don't like the terrace box. I feel like I am inside. I think what I like most about being at a baseball game is being outside drinking beer. However, my opinion of terrace box changes dramatically if it is raining hard. I got club level on Thursday just because of the threat of rain. If you are fifth row or further back you won't get wet.
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If you sit in terrace box, it's best to sit in the first 4 rows. We were in 9 in the 10th row on Friday and it was still a good seat.
My favorite seats are in the upper reserve behind home plate.
25th year for me with a mini plan - upper box behind the plate 3rd row. A bargain at $20.
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If you sit in terrace box, it's best to sit in the first 4 rows. We were in 9 in the 10th row on Friday and it was still a good seat.
My favorite seats are in the upper reserve behind home plate.
25th year for me with a mini plan - upper box behind the plate 3rd row. A bargain at $20.
25th year!? wow. congrats.
the O's are a great value...
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If you sit in terrace box, it's best to sit in the first 4 rows. We were in 9 in the 10th row on Friday and it was still a good seat.
My favorite seats are in the upper reserve behind home plate.
25th year for me with a mini plan - upper box behind the plate 3rd row. A bargain at $20.
Yeah 20 dollars for those is awesome. I am thinking of doing the 29 game plan next year. You get the opening day tickets and you can get the autographs at the season ticket holder day. Figure I can sell games I don't want to go to. 13 game plan is pretty amazing as you get cheap price and you can exchange tickets for other games.
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ok who was there for the game where cal ripken beat gehrigs record for most consecutive games.. i saw part of that on tv... that was a big one..
i was always sad that i only saw ripken when he was kinda over the hill.. i only moved to dc in 1995
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I wasn't there, but my Aunt and Uncle were. They went to all the biggies, world series, last day at memorial, first day at camden, 2131.
My Uncle is the biggest Orioles fan ever. No one beats him. He wanted to name my cousin Brooks. He has a den with so much Orioles things! Even has a contract.
I was lucky that I grew up about 5 minutes from Memorial Stadium. Some of my favorite memories of childhood are baseball games.
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Was also lucky that I grew up with Eddie and Cal :D
I remember in 1983 sitting on my Nana's back porch, waiting for everyone to get back from the world series, and being pissed I couldn't be there since I was 8. They brought me back a hat from the game. I still have it.
And when I had surgery as a young kid on my ear, my mom brought me a stuffed Oriole bird for being such a good patient...
It's a little weird how so many things revolve around the O's with me.
Including vacations...this year we're heading to Cleveland to see that Orioles series.
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ok who was there for the game where cal ripken beat gehrigs record for most consecutive games.. i saw part of that on tv... that was a big one..
i was always sad that i only saw ripken when he was kinda over the hill.. i only moved to dc in 1995
I was there for the record-tying game. We stayed in a hotel in town. Leaving the hotel the next day we rode the elevator with a Budweiser rep who chatted us up about Cal. We told him we didn't have tickets for the 2131 game. He told us to meet him in the lobby a little later. He showed up with standing room tix apologizing that that was the best he could do. Walked over to Harborplace and forced down a Bud as a tribute to our friend.
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ok who was there for the game where cal ripken beat gehrigs record for most consecutive games.. i saw part of that on tv... that was a big one..
i was always sad that i only saw ripken when he was kinda over the hill.. i only moved to dc in 1995
I was there for the record-tying game. We stayed in a hotel in town. Leaving the hotel the next day we rode the elevator with a Budweiser rep who chatted us up about Cal. We told him we didn't have tickets for the 2131 game. He told us to meet him in the lobby a little later. He showed up with standing room tix apologizing that that was the best he could do. Walked over to Harborplace and forced down a Bud as a tribute to our friend.
wow..cool story..
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For every home run Chris Davis hits in the home run derby ticket prices for select games will go down a dollar. Just think if he hits 60 you can have the best seat in the house for free:
http://mlb.mlb.com/bal/ticketing/home_run_derby.jsp?partnerId=as_mlb_20130715_9810774
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For every home run Chris Davis hits in the home run derby ticket prices for select games will go down a dollar. Just think if he hits 60 you can have the best seat in the house for free:
http://mlb.mlb.com/bal/ticketing/home_run_derby.jsp?partnerId=as_mlb_20130715_9810774
Except for the part that says maximum discount $25.
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ok who was there for the game where cal ripken beat gehrigs record for most consecutive games.. i saw part of that on tv... that was a big one..
It was against Anaheim, so I watched it on TV as well. I had not moved to DC yet.
In a strange twist, I saw Palmiero's 300th and 400th HR and his 3000th hit in person, once in Anaheim and twice when I was travelling and caught a game on the road. Random.
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I don't know why in baseball the consective games streak is such a big deal. What does Brett Favre have it in Football? He played more seasons of games in row than Ripken right? I don't even have any idea who holds the record in hockey and basketball.
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If Miguel Cabrera held the streak, nobody would care. But since Cal Ripken is a white, Maryland born son, everybody cares.
I'm going to guess that AC Green holds it for basketball, I don't follow hockey at all.
I think the football streaks are a bigger accomplishment because they are so prone to injury. I guess they make a big deal about baseball because it's so, so many games.
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If Miguel Cabrera held the streak, nobody would care. But since Cal Ripken is a white, Maryland born son, everybody cares.
I'm going to guess that AC Green holds it for basketball, I don't follow hockey at all.
I think the football streaks are a bigger accomplishment because they are so prone to injury. I guess they make a big deal about baseball because it's so, so many games.
Looked it up Doug Jarvis hold the record in hockey. He never missed a game in his career which was 12 years long. Favre played 18 straight seasons without missing a game. 1,192 is the record by AC Green equals like 15 straight seasons. Games shouldn't matter as how likely are you to get injured in a baseball game compared to other sports.
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If Miguel Cabrera held the streak, nobody would care. But since Cal Ripken is a white, Maryland born son, everybody cares.
god you are a cynical negative bastard!
:D
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I was just being facetious. ;D
And don't get me wrong. Cabrera is a fantastic player, and I don't care what the newfangled stats say, deserved the MVP last year.
If Miguel Cabrera held the streak, nobody would care. But since Cal Ripken is a white, Maryland born son, everybody cares.
god you are a cynical negative bastard!
:D
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yes for once i got it before posting an over the top response..
;D
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Can I just say how excited I am to hear this tonight:
From the Baltimore Orioles
From the Baltimore Orioles
From the Baltimore Orioles
From the Baltimore Orioles
From the Baltimore Orioles
So.excited.
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Can I just say how excited I am to hear this tonight:
From the Baltimore Orioles
From the Baltimore Orioles
From the Baltimore Orioles
From the Baltimore Orioles
From the Baltimore Orioles
So.excited.
I'm going to watch the first at-bat, then get on with my evening.
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And don't get me wrong. Cabrera is a fantastic player, and I don't care what the newfangled stats say, deserved the MVP last year.
Plus they felt sorry for him because he grew up in third world country and had to struggle through so much in life. God damn affirmative action.
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This makes me happy.....
Among the teams with the nine highest payrolls in baseball, six of them reached the All-Star break without a winning record: the Dodgers (47-47), Phillies (48-48), Giants (43-51), Angels (44-49), White Sox (37-55) and Blue Jays (45-49). And the list of teams getting little bang for big bucks should also include the Yankees (51-44), a fourth-place team.
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Hank is coming up!!!! And we signed another Cuban guy.
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Yoesnis Cespidis not in the lineup tonight. Out with a "strained wrist"...hooray for the Home Run Derby!
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Yoesnis Cespidis not in the lineup tonight. Out with a "strained wrist"...hooray for the Home Run Derby!
the home run derby is a lot of fun... i enjoyed watching him....is he on roids???
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Yoesnis Cespidis not in the lineup tonight. Out with a "strained wrist"...hooray for the Home Run Derby!
Chris Davis looked pretty lost at the plate last night. Only one game, but.....
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K-Rod's propensity for fly balls these days could spell trouble in Camden, but the O's had to do something and if nothing else his experience can help your young pen.
Keith Law thought you gave up too much: The main reason I dislike the move for Baltimore is that giving up a prospect of some value for 20 innings of a middle reliever is poor asset management. Delmonico isn't an elite prospect, but he has a little value because he can hit, has great makeup, and has been familiar in scouting circles since he was a sophomore in high school.
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K-Rod's propensity for fly balls these days could spell trouble in Camden, but the O's had to do something and if nothing else his experience can help your young pen.
Keith Law thought you gave up too much: The main reason I dislike the move for Baltimore is that giving up a prospect of some value for 20 innings of a middle reliever is poor asset management. Delmonico isn't an elite prospect, but he has a little value because he can hit, has great makeup, and has been familiar in scouting circles since he was a sophomore in high school.
6th round pick who is injured all the time. Hitting to a low average in A ball at age 21. Can't field a lick. Oh yeah we gave up way too much.
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Not that you'd know this, but he's delicious grilled. Medium rare please.
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6th round pick who is injured all the time. Hitting to a low average in A ball at age 21. Can't field a lick. Oh yeah we gave up way too much.
I think his point was 6 years of control of a prospect that has a chance to replace Hardy on the right side (move Macheda to short and have him play third) versus two months of a 31 year old who's best days are behind him, but take it up with Keith Law as I don't know enough about the prospect.
As I watch Jean Segura and Patrick Corbin in the bigs this season, I can see his point.
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Initially Duquette said no to giving up Delmonico. Boras apparently convinced him that other teams were interested, including Boston and Detroit. You gotta give up something to get something. I'm not a fan of rentals per se, but if it helps them get into the playoffs this year I'll take it.
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6th round pick who is injured all the time. Hitting to a low average in A ball at age 21. Can't field a lick. Oh yeah we gave up way too much.
I think his point was 6 years of control of a prospect that has a chance to replace Hardy on the right side (move Macheda to short and have him play third) versus two months of a 31 year old who's best days are behind him, but take it up with Keith Law as I don't know enough about the prospect.
As I watch Jean Segura and Patrick Corbin in the bigs this season, I can see his point.
Well if a guy is past his prime a half of season of his contract is better than a multiple year contract anyway. From what I hear the guys salary is next to nothing and he has been lights out this season. I am guessing if Orioles management was high on him he wouldn't have been traded. Reports state that the Cubs wanted Schoop and Eduardo Rodriguez for Garza and the O's turned the Cubs down. So the O's aren't just trading their top prospects for rentals.
I don't know how Delmonico could replace Hardy as he projects to be a DH or First Baseman.
Also, the Orioles have Christian Walker who also projects to be a first basemen and the O's rate him a lot higher than Schoop.
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Guess who has zero homers since the HR Derby......
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Brian Roberts. Even the steroids aren't helping.
Guess who has zero homers since the HR Derby......
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Guess who has zero homers since the HR Derby......
Yoenis Cespedes
Chris Davis
Michael Cuddyer
And Robinson Cano
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Anyone else running the Casey Cares 5K this Saturday? Home plate finish photo and it ends in the outfield!!!!
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Guess who has zero homers since the HR Derby......
Yoenis Cespedes
Chris Davis
Michael Cuddyer
And Robinson Cano
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Guess who has zero homers since the HR Derby......
Yoenis Cespedes
Chris Davis
Michael Cuddyer
And Robinson Cano
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Brian Roberts. Even the steroids aren't helping.
Guess who has zero homers since the HR Derby......
Brian has a higher OPS than Mark Reynolds.
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CAno
Guess who has zero homers since the HR Derby......
Yoenis Cespedes
Chris Davis
Michael Cuddyer
And Robinson Cano
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CAno
Yes, I'll update it now and congrats to him.
I would be worried at all about his 40 strikeouts in his last 83 at-bats....
Guess who has zero homers since the HR Derby......
Yoenis Cespedes
Chris Davis
Michael Cuddyer
And Robinson Cano
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Bud Norris to the Orioles! For Hoes (tee hee) and a yet to be named prospect.
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Bud Norris to the Orioles! For Hoes (tee hee) and a yet to be named prospect.
Wow. In it to win it.
Hoes is a hefty prospect for a two month rental.
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Bud Norris to the Orioles! For Hoes (tee hee) and a yet to be named prospect.
Wow. In it to win it.
Hoes is a hefty prospect for a two month rental.
He isn't a rental. Norris has two more years after this year under team control. We also gave up the compensation pick which I think is a bigger loss than Hoes.
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He isn't a rental. Norris has two more years after this year under team control. We also gave up the compensation pick which I think is a bigger loss than Hoes.
Oh yeah - shit, he's only ARB eligible next year. That's a great deal then and makes MUCH more sense to me.
I thought I read it on ESPN but alas, it was in the stupid comments. My bad for not fact checking.
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Bud Norris to the Orioles! For Hoes (tee hee) and a yet to be named prospect.
Wow. In it to win it.
Hoes is a hefty prospect for a two month rental.
He's under club control until 2015. (as has been said)
Hammel to DL
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Fire the mana........ hitting coach! ;D
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I don't have cable so don't get any O's games, but it looks like they played like the Nats last night.
What's the deal with Manny? 39 doubles in 87 games, then 0 doubles in 20 games.
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they played the astros
and had a melt down
at least they didn't let anyone steal home this time i guess
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Last night's loss hurt.
ouch.
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I think close losses hurt more then blowouts. Easier to turn the page on a blowout.
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I think close losses hurt more then blowouts. Easier to turn the page on a blowout.
Not really. I was at the game last night and I left after the sixth inning. Totally a wasted night. Boring and no excitement. I saw Jim Johnson blow two games in one week and at least they were exciting until the last pitch.
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I don't have cable so don't get any O's games, but it looks like they played like the Nats last night.
What's the deal with Manny? 39 doubles in 87 games, then 0 doubles in 20 games.
He sucks balls recently. Pitchers have adjusted to him and he hasn't adjusted back. Can't hit a slider to save his life. He should be moved down in the order and given a couple of days off. He isn't doing anyone any favors right now with his bat.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/bravo-buck-showalter-o-manager-criticizes-advantage-yankees-143915755.html
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Exactly.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/bravo-buck-showalter-o-manager-criticizes-advantage-yankees-143915755.html
If the Yankees sign Wieters to an Arod type contract in a few years they will be trying to taint his drug test with steroids. He hasn't done much all season and in 2 years he will be pretty worn out from all the number of games he catches.
Maybe the money should go to charity. A team shouldn't be able to get out of paying salary due to suspensions.
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Regardless of the team, it depends on the crime.
If, has been reported, that he induced others to visit Biogenesis, then the suspension might warrant a complete ban.
If, has also been suggested, that he has attempted to coerce witnesses, then he has to get something similar to Braun's suspension.
If he just simply was a client at Biogenesis, then his ban should be 50 games.
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If the Yankees sign Wieters to an Arod type contract in a few years they will be trying to taint his drug test with steroids. He hasn't done much all season and in 2 years he will be pretty worn out from all the number of games he catches.
Exactly - bad example. Why wouldn't you want to have them overpay for a catcher hitting .239 with 14 home runs and 49 RBIs this year?
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If the Yankees sign Wieters to an Arod type contract in a few years they will be trying to taint his drug test with steroids. He hasn't done much all season and in 2 years he will be pretty worn out from all the number of games he catches.
Exactly - bad example. Why wouldn't you want to have them overpay for a catcher hitting .239 with 14 home runs and 49 RBIs this year?
Wieters won't help them become a champion again. They are only playing as well as they are now because of their pitching. Most of their pitchers are as old as dirt. In a couple of years they could be as bad as the Astros.
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all this stuff should be legalized....
baseball essentially becomes a game about who is better at masking their use......
let us remember that arod was not caught during random testing..
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I think close losses hurt more then blowouts. Easier to turn the page on a blowout.
Not really. I was at the game last night and I left after the sixth inning. Totally a wasted night. Boring and no excitement. I saw Jim Johnson blow two games in one week and at least they were exciting until the last pitch.
Well that really wasn't my point.
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I think close losses hurt more then blowouts. Easier to turn the page on a blowout.
Not really. I was at the game last night and I left after the sixth inning. Totally a wasted night. Boring and no excitement. I saw Jim Johnson blow two games in one week and at least they were exciting until the last pitch.
Well that really wasn't my point.
Blowout hurt worse. Have you ever played on a baseball or softball team? I felt much more confident after losing a close game than after getting destroyed. How can losing as badly as last night not destroy confidence. Especially after only getting a few hits the game before.
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For once, I actually agree with atomic...
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No lingering effects...
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Circumstances, circumstances, circumstances.
The O's checked out of the blowout by the 5th inning. It will only have a lingering effect if it becomes a pattern for Gonzalez or if Oberholtzer continues to dominate them - which, not being in the same division, won't really matter.
A couple of back to back one game losses where your closer blows it means every time your closer comes in, you have it in your head until he rights the ship.
Thus there is no right answer as it all depends on the circumstances of the loss and how likely it is to repeat itself.
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I did enjoy this in the A-Rod saga:
If Major League Baseball were to ban Alex Rodriguez for life because of performance-enhancing drugs, the New York Yankees would get off the hook for nearly $100 million in future salary.
The Rangers would not be so lucky.
The Rangers still owe Rodriguez approximately $40 million (which will grow to nearly $50 million by the time it is paid) in deferred money from his original contract. That money was later deferred even further to accommodate his trade to New York. It is to be paid from 2016-2025.
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I think they will have a hard time suspending ARoid for life. He has 100+ million dollars coming to him in the coming years... you can buy a lot of lawyers for that kind of money. Maybe they settle on 100 games.
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I ran the Orioles 5K on Saturday and it was awesome. Finish along the warning track and got to hang out at the stadium afterwards.
There's another 5K on November 2nd, this one sponsored by Buck and registration includes a ticket to the september 26th game.
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No lingering effects...
Lost two straight to the lowly Mariners. I don't think I will buy season tickets next year. I wasn't really excited about going to that game last week and then losing 11-0 and my ticket representative was rude to me when they shorted me a ticket. I don't think I need to go to the 16 games like I am doing this year ever again. Maybe 5 games a year makes it more fun. Baseball season is way long.
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I went to 16 games last year and will go to around that many this year. I love going to games. Win or Lose. Being a fan who watched them lose for 14 years, I'm happy they are still having a winning season, and will continue to support the team, no matter what!
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I went to 16 games last year and will go to around that many this year. I love going to games. Win or Lose. Being a fan who watched them lose for 14 years, I'm happy they are still having a winning season, and will continue to support the team, no matter what!
Baseball in itself isn't incredibly exciting. It is the fans that make it exciting. When they are losing 11-0 the fans are not even paying attention. No cheers. No booing the umps or the other team. No "Let's go O's".
I mean it is fun to get Boog's barbecue or a Korean Taco a few times after a half dozen times this gets old too. Also at the last game, I ordered a Leffe at the last game and when I got back to my seat I realized they gave me a Stella. Someone was sitting in our seats. Well one of his kids was standing in my seat. When I mentioned those were my seats the guy gave me a dirty look and took his good old time getting up and moving out of my seats. After he left I realized he left his cell phone behind. I guess Karma gets you.
Anyway worst experience at a game.
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Baseball is incredibly exciting. It's all in the details.
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Baseball is incredibly exciting. It's all in the details.
I'm going to a game tonight between two teams with worse records than Anaheim, and I didn't even think twice about the invite. Of course I'm going to watch a baseball game....
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I think I've had Boog's maybe twice in my life. Haven't had the Korean taco either. But I don't go to the game for the food.
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I think I've had Boog's maybe twice in my life. Haven't had the Korean taco either. But I don't go to the game for the food.
The beer?
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Caught a foul ball tonight (my 6th, I think) and saw an intentional base on balls result in a wild pitch (my first). I love baseball.
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Congrats! That is awesome!!!!
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I also observed:
Jean Segura (stud - going to haunt Angel fans for years to come).
The Giants have no offense.
The Brewers are not a fundamentally sound baseball team.
And a starting pitcher that cost himself the game by not being able to bunt - 5 whiffs, including a suicide squeeze and a foul out. Just awful.
And a kid they call Scooter.
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I was thinking about things to make baseball more exciting. I thought perhaps something as simple as making 3 balls a walk would improve the game as pitchers would be forced to throw more strikes. My friend suggested 7 innings with 4 outs per inning.
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Maybe you should stop watching baseball if you don't understand why it's exciting.
I don't know why I even bother to reply to you.
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Maybe you should stop watching baseball if you don't understand why it's exciting.
I don't know why I even bother to reply to you.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am just trying to get more fans in the stand.
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Reynolds only got $6M plus incentives from Cleveland. The Orioles probably could've had him for that, but obviously didn't want him. Too many strikeouts, I guess. He played a solid 1B though.
Sad about Reynolds going to the Indians, but I realize the O's didn't want to pay him the 11 million.
Here's your chance to get him back, which I know will make James Ford happy:
Indians to Designate Mark Reynolds for Assignment (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9550480/cleveland-indians-set-designate-struggling-slugger-mark-reynolds)
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Reynolds only got $6M plus incentives from Cleveland. The Orioles probably could've had him for that, but obviously didn't want him. Too many strikeouts, I guess. He played a solid 1B though.
Sad about Reynolds going to the Indians, but I realize the O's didn't want to pay him the 11 million.
Here's your chance to get him back, which I know will make James Ford happy:
Indians to Designate Mark Reynolds for Assignment (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9550480/cleveland-indians-set-designate-struggling-slugger-mark-reynolds)
I got a lot of backlash for stating that Reynolds was an awful player all last year. I think his DFA along with the Orioles zero interest in him over last summer vindicates me. Of course no one ever admits they are wrong.
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117 games - 34 errors
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117 games - 34 errors
I thought you were talking about Mark Reynolds for a second. In 2008 he did have 35 errors.
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fucking Johnson
fucking Rivera
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fucking Rivera
BUSTER:
? Mariano Rivera has blown three straight save chances for the first time in his career -- but the Yankees have won his past two, including Sunday?s game. The Yankees? record in games that Rivera has botched save chances in his career:
2013: 2-3
2012: 0-1
2011: 2-3
2010: 2-3
2009: 0-2
2008: 1-0
2007: 1-3
2006: 0-3
2005: 2-2
2004: 2-2
2003: 3-3
2002: 1-3
2001: 3-4
2000: 2-3
1999: 2-2
1998: 4-1
1997: 4-5
1996: 1-2
1995: 1-0
Total: 33-45
To put that number into perspective (a .423 winning percentage), there are three teams -- the Astros, Marlins and White Sox -- currently with a lower winning percentage than the Yankees have had in games which Rivera has blown leads.
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http://blogs.citypaper.com/index.php/2013/08/it-would-suck-if-adam-jones-quit-twitter-because-of-racist-jerks/
A dip shit racist baseball fan threw a banana at Adam Jones?
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I like his Popeye's birthday cake:
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18vog6fzwd62lpng/ku-xlarge.png)
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A dip shit racist baseball fan threw a banana at Adam Jones?
There was a ton of talk about this in SF as, generally speaking, we're not really perceived as being a very racist city. Classist and elitist, sure, but not racist. Of course, this guy appears to be from the South Bay....
Anyhow, the fan came forward and owned up to his actions. (http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_23844386/giants-plan-apologize-orioles-adam-jones) It doesn't seem as though it was racially motivated.
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fucking Johnson
fucking Johnson
fucking Rivera
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fucking johnson
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fucking johnson
Hey Buck, get your head out of your ass and yank him already..
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Can't defend Johnson (maybe it's time for K-Rod) but they scored 4 in one inning. And that was it.
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I am depressed.
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Time to fire Buck. Or DFA Jim Johnson so he can't bring him into games that matter anymore. JJ is having a season that borders on being as bad as Matusz's of a couple of years ago. Only way JJ doesn't lose a game if he as 3 run lead an no one when he comes in.
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Johnson's 3.52 ERA would make him the best starter on the team. Can they make him a starter?
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Johnson's 3.52 ERA would make him the best starter on the team. Can they make him a starter?
His ERA as a starter would be over 5. He was a starter in the minors.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/39115/jim-johnson-2013s-least-valuable-player?ex_cid=espnapi_public (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/39115/jim-johnson-2013s-least-valuable-player?ex_cid=espnapi_public)
Good Article
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I love how ESPN only cares about the Orioles when they're fucking up. Fuck ESPN.
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Now tell me these last at-bat losses don't hurt a helluva lot more then getting drubbed 11-0.
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Now tell me these last at-bat losses don't hurt a helluva lot more then getting drubbed 11-0.
No the 11-0 losses are worse. They are boring. You don't leave until the final out when you lose in your last at-bat. During 11-0 loss I leave after 6th inning and I don't cheer once. Going to the game tonight. If we get to the 9th inning with a lead and they bring in JJ I will boo Buck and I will boo JJ. We will lose the game but at least I get 8 innings of entertainment.
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Who cares when you leave?
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I'm with Shemp. Those are worse.
Reynolds went to the Yankees.
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Who cares when you leave?
I care and the rest of the people who left the same time as me. Stop trolling.
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I'm with Shemp. Those are worse.
Reynolds went to the Yankees.
Yankees just got a lot worse.
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Who cares when you leave?
I care and the rest of the people who left the same time as me. Stop trolling.
Your attendance at the game (or Ford's attendance at Nats games) is immaterial.
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Who cares when you leave?
I care and the rest of the people who left the same time as me. Stop trolling.
Your attendance at the game (or Ford's attendance at Nats games) is immaterial.
You are asking what is worse losing 11-0 or losing to 4-3 in 14 innings. To me losing 11-0 is worse. You ask for peoples opinions and then you get them and then you say you don't want them. Strange.
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Just disagree and be done with it. Geez. Who really cares? I think losing 4-3 is worse. You think losing 11-0 is worse. Guess what? It's still losing. Both suck.
Good? Good. Now let's just talk baseball.
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Just disagree and be done with it. Geez. Who really cares? I think losing 4-3 is worse. You think losing 11-0 is worse. Guess what? It's still losing. Both suck.
Good? Good. Now let's just talk baseball.
I am going to get a pretzel tonight and a large beer.
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Rick Adair taking a leave of absence.
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How 'bout that Mark Reynolds?
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Who cares when you leave?
I care and the rest of the people who left the same time as me. Stop trolling.
Your attendance at the game (or Ford's attendance at Nats games) is immaterial.
You are asking what is worse losing 11-0 or losing to 4-3 in 14 innings. To me losing 11-0 is worse. You ask for peoples opinions and then you get them and then you say you don't want them. Strange.
The point is you missed the point. The question posed was which hurts a team more and all you could talk about was how it affects you. Which is what you usually talk about.
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Who cares when you leave?
I care and the rest of the people who left the same time as me. Stop trolling.
Your attendance at the game (or Ford's attendance at Nats games) is immaterial.
You are asking what is worse losing 11-0 or losing to 4-3 in 14 innings. To me losing 11-0 is worse. You ask for peoples opinions and then you get them and then you say you don't want them. Strange.
The point is you missed the point. The question posed was which hurts a team more and all you could talk about was how it affects you. Which is what you usually talk about.
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I was talking about the fans. It is entertainment. If it is boring it is worthless
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How 'bout that Mark Reynolds?
How about that Jake Arrieta?
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Recommend89Tweet27Comments24EmailPrintCHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs? July 2 trade of right-hander Scott Feldman to the Orioles for Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop appeared to be start them going down the path toward another year without a competitive team.
But unlike in 2012, when the Cubs finished with the worst record in the National League after trading five veteran players before the deadline, this season?s trades have taken on a much different tone.
In Arrieta and Strop the Cubs may have found the next staff ace and closer in one deal.
Brian Kersey/Getty Images
Cubs starter Jake Arrieta allowed just two hits in seven shutout innings on Friday.Strop has worked nicely into the back end of the Cubs bullpen and Arrieta, after his second straight dominant performance on Friday, will now have time over the last quarter of the season to establish himself securely in the Cubs? 2014 rotation. Manager Dale Sveum said Arrieta has a spot for the rest of the season.
The former Baltimore starter shut down the St. Louis Cardinals on two hits through seven innings Friday, winning his first game with his new club.
?The biggest thing is to be able to get into a routine again,? Arrieta said after the Cubs shut out the Cardinals, 7-0. ?I now know I will be taking the ball every five days for this team. This is something I envisioned myself doing ever since the trade was made. My mindset was to just go about my business and be consistent whether it?s here or in Iowa.?
With a young rotation struggling to establish itself, Arrieta?s performance gave the manager and his coaching staff a lift they needed.
?That is the kind of stuff the power arms can do when they are throwing strikes and making pitches,? Sveum said. ?He made some really good pitches with his 91 mph cutter -- slider -- whatever you want to call it. He made some really good pitches in key situations and counts. When you thought he was going to lose some good hitters he made really good pitches down and away on the black.?
Arrieta gives the Theo Epstein-Jed Hoyer group a lot of hope for the future. Arrieta has an 0.69 ERA for the two games he has started for the Cubs, and more impressive than his ERA are his hits-against numbers. He has given up just four hits while facing 42 hitters.
Strop has quietly established himself as the top power arm in the bullpen. He has seven holds in 19 games as a Cub. Strop has struck out 21 and walked seven in 18.2 innings of work.
When Feldman is ready to call it a career, these two emerging golden arms may be writing new history on the north side of Chicago.
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Per example, last night's loss f'ing sucked. Depressing.
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Per example, last night's loss f'ing sucked. Depressing.
It was an interesting game. I am going tonight. Hopefully the game is as good as last nights. Last two games I have been to have been awful. 11-0 and 7-3 losses.
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I was going to go tonight, but I'm going to at least 6 games in September (including 2 in Cleveland), so I'm going to rest and watch it at home tonight. At least the crowd sounded really into it last night! Definitely a change from what the Yard was like a few years ago this time of year!
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Atomic, you are not allowed to go to any more games.
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Atomic, you are not allowed to go to any more games.
I only have tickets for 1 more game. Last series against the Red Sox. I think I will try to sell them so as not to hurt the team.
Guys were in my seat again last night. I went to Dempsey's restaurant first and had dinner and beer. Got to my seats after the second inning ended and the guys looked annoyed again that I said they were in my seat. Pretty annoying. They need to check tickets like they used to let people in the lower sections.
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The rule at camden yards is you can sit wherever until people come with your tickets. I'm okay with that. If people are being rude, you can always get an usher to take care of it.
I have tickets to the last two games and the Thursday game before that. Also going September 5th in solidarity against NFL bullies...and two games in Cleveland. Alot of September games! Hopefully some October games too....we'll see. It's looking kind of sad right now, but hopefully they'll go on a tear.
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Wait 'til next year.
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Wait 'til next year.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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'Take on Me' @ Camden Yards 9/5.
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Last years team would have won last nights game.
What's the deal with sitting Markakis the day after he has a three hit game?
Oh wait, his wife hatched another kid. Fucking Greeks, can't stop breeding (that's a joke, I know Greece has a lower birthrate than the US). Cal would have never pulled that shit in a pennant race.
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Cal would have never pulled that shit in a pennant race.
well i think times have changed....the "rules" have changed.....men can't say "hey have my kid for me and i'll see you in a few days..."
what hasn't changed is the yankees always win the big games and the orioles always lose them..
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Yeah, I know. Was just joking. I was right there in our bedroom "coaching" my wife during her delivery.
But Cal wouldn't have been. In my bedroom, or his.
Cal would have never pulled that shit in a pennant race.
well i think times have changed....the "rules" have changed.....men can't say "hey have my kid for me and i'll see you in a few days..."
what hasn't changed is the yankees always win the big games and the orioles always lose them..
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What's the deal with the rules being so heinous that A-Roid is even allowed to play?! I hate him.
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I bet he'd play on a day his wife was giving birth.
And then shoot some steroids and fuck a couple of skanks.
What's the deal with the rules being so heinous that A-Roid is even allowed to play?! I hate him.
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What's the deal with the rules being so heinous that A-Roid is even allowed to play?! I hate him.
Even murderers get their day in court. A-Rod is waiting for his appeal hearing.
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Last years team would have won last nights game.
What's the deal with sitting Markakis the day after he has a three hit game?
Oh wait, his wife hatched another kid. Fucking Greeks, can't stop breeding (that's a joke, I know Greece has a lower birthrate than the US). Cal would have never pulled that shit in a pennant race.
He is back in the line-up tonight.
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fuckin' johnson...
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Danny Valencia sure seems like a keeper.
Brian Roberts just seems like poison. They're probably below .500 since he returned.
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In the history of baseball, has there every been a closer who led the team in losses for a season?
fuckin' johnson...
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In the history of baseball, has there every been a closer who led the team in losses for a season?
fuckin' johnson...
There is no stats for a "Closer". You would have to say reliever. And yes there have been plenty of guys who had most losses. Fro example on the 1970 Senators Darold Knowles had 14 losses which led the team. In 1974 Mike Marshall was 15-12 with 21 saves and pitched in 109 games all in relief. Pretty impressive as the team had 33 complete games that year.
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And he probably made a fraction of the salary that today's pitcher makes. Today's pitchers are such pussies.
. In 1974 Mike Marshall was 15-12 with 21 saves and pitched in 109 games all in relief. Pretty impressive as the team had 33 complete games that year.
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THEY ARE KILLING ME.
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d-o-n-e
Shame, too. Tampa doesn't seem to want the wild card, either.
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The Nationals and the Orioles have the same record and both are 11 games out of first place.
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I do not think they are done. Because I believe in Orioles Magic. But they are killing me.
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Murderers are usually fired by their employers upon being charged with the crime.
What's the deal with the rules being so heinous that A-Roid is even allowed to play?! I hate him.
Even murderers get their day in court. A-Rod is waiting for his appeal hearing.
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Murderers are usually fired by their employers upon being charged with the crime.
What's the deal with the rules being so heinous that A-Roid is even allowed to play?! I hate him.
Even murderers get their day in court. A-Rod is waiting for his appeal hearing.
I don't think that is true. That psychiatrist in the Army who killed all those people I believe was paid while he was awaiting conviction.
Anyway all Arod is accused of was taking steroids the same thing that every baseball player was doing 10 years ago.
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Everyone else took their suspensions.
He is a cheater and a liar and a jerk and my most hated sports figure of all time ever.
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Everyone else took their suspensions.
He is a cheater and a liar and a jerk and my most hated sports figure of all time ever.
That is a big exageration. Think of all the sports figures who have killed people. You hate him more than OJ or they guy from the Patriots? How about Michael Vick? How about the guy from the Olympics with no legs. Surely you hate Michael Vick more than Arod. I am sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids. If you hate people who used steroids you should basically stop watching baseball.
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You are 'sure'? Really?
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This is a bizarre stat:
Davis also is the third player in major league history to hit 50 homers and 40 doubles in a season, joining
Babe Ruth (59 homers/44 doubles in 152 games in 1921) and Albert Belle (52 homers/50 doubles for Cleveland in 143 games in 1995).
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Like the old saying goes it aint over till Kelly Clarkson sings.
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This is a bizarre stat:
Agreed. And they're three completely different players so it's tough to figure out...
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Everyone else took their suspensions.
He is a cheater and a liar and a jerk and my most hated sports figure of all time ever.
That is a big exageration. Think of all the sports figures who have killed people. You hate him more than OJ or they guy from the Patriots? How about Michael Vick? How about the guy from the Olympics with no legs. Surely you hate Michael Vick more than Arod. I am sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids. If you hate people who used steroids you should basically stop watching baseball.
I actually do hate him the most.
I don't believe everyone was on steroids. I don't think Cal Ripken was. I do think plenty of Orioles were (Brady Anderson, etc). One of the reasons I hope Chris Davis breaks the record is because of Brady Anderson holding it now.
Steriods is a sad sad part of baseball history. I don't like A-Rod because he cheats in ways that are not about steriods. Also, the other players mentioned took their suspensions like men, and he's being an ass about it.
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Orioles tied for most errorless games ever!
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Why are steroids a sad, sad part of baseball history? What's so wrong with them?
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count me as somebody that thinks steroids and all that stuff shouldn't be monitored.. it should be a legal issue not a baseball issue
and if baseball really cares about steroids then when a player admits he used steroids i think if they got a huge contract based on the steroid taking performance then i think the only way to truly fight them is to have the contracct invalidated..
otherwise its all hot air because a guy uses roids during a contract year, pumps up his stats, and then gets rewarded with a 100 million contract.. then lets say he admits later he did use... so he gets a suspension and gets to keep his 100 million?? and then he stops using steroids so he sucks but the team is stuck with him???
there is no way for anyone to really know if davis is using steroids or HGH or whatever.. no way at all.. to simply assume he isn't is pretty naive though...
but there are many players that if i had to bet i'd bet they've been using.. a certain guy who played for the cardinals and put up unbelievable numbers...for a real long time.. for example..and, no, not mcgwire
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count me as somebody that thinks steroids and all that stuff shouldn't be monitored.. it should be a legal issue not a baseball issue
and if baseball really cares about steroids then when a player admits he used steroids i think if they got a huge contract based on the steroid taking performance then i think the only way to truly fight them is to have the contracct invalidated..
otherwise its all hot air because a guy uses roids during a contract year, pumps up his stats, and then gets rewarded with a 100 million contract.. then lets say he admits later he did use... so he gets a suspension and gets to keep his 100 million?? and then he stops using steroids so he sucks but the team is stuck with him???
there is no way for anyone to really know if davis is using steroids or HGH or whatever.. no way at all.. to simply assume he isn't is pretty naive though...
but there are many players that if i had to bet i'd bet they've been using.. a certain guy who played for the cardinals and put up unbelievable numbers...for a real long time.. for example..and, no, not mcgwire
I am pretty sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids. Both in the hall of fame. I think the punishment should be once you are out a season. Second time for live. I would blame the union for players being on Steroids. Only congress getting involved made baseball start testing. I don't like players being on steroids at all, I don't think it is fair to the clean players. I would never take steroids.
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I am pretty sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids. Both in the hall of fame. I think the punishment should be once you are out a season. Second time for live. I would blame the union for players being on Steroids. Only congress getting involved made baseball start testing. I don't like players being on steroids at all, I don't think it is fair to the clean players. I would never take steroids.
well i'm just surprised to hear you say that about cal unless you're just saying that to get people riled up.....because he really tanked the last many many years...if he was on steroids you'd have thought he might have pulled a bonds where his numbers got better as he got older..but once he turned 35 or so he really declined..and arguably he was never the same after his greatest year in 1991.... unless you're saying he was taking steroids in the early 80s which is ludicrous i think... not to mention his body just didn't look like it.. i'd bet the house cal never used.... and there aren't that many players i would say that about..
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I am pretty sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids. Both in the hall of fame. I think the punishment should be once you are out a season. Second time for live. I would blame the union for players being on Steroids. Only congress getting involved made baseball start testing. I don't like players being on steroids at all, I don't think it is fair to the clean players. I would never take steroids.
well i'm just surprised to hear you say that about cal unless you're just saying that to get people riled up.....because he really tanked the last many many years...if he was on steroids you'd have thought he might have pulled a bonds where his numbers got better as he got older..but once he turned 35 or so he really declined..and arguably he was never the same after his greatest year in 1991.... unless you're saying he was taking steroids in the early 80s which is ludicrous i think... not to mention his body just didn't look like it.. i'd be the house cal was never used.... and there aren't that many players i would say that about..
Steroids are supposed to age you prematurely also it is supposed to help you to recover from injuries quickers.
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I am pretty sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids. Both in the hall of fame. I think the punishment should be once you are out a season. Second time for live. I would blame the union for players being on Steroids. Only congress getting involved made baseball start testing. I don't like players being on steroids at all, I don't think it is fair to the clean players. I would never take steroids.
well i'm just surprised to hear you say that about cal unless you're just saying that to get people riled up.....because he really tanked the last many many years...if he was on steroids you'd have thought he might have pulled a bonds where his numbers got better as he got older..but once he turned 35 or so he really declined..and arguably he was never the same after his greatest year in 1991.... unless you're saying he was taking steroids in the early 80s which is ludicrous i think... not to mention his body just didn't look like it.. i'd be the house cal was never used.... and there aren't that many players i would say that about..
Steroids are supposed to age you prematurely also it is supposed to help you to recover from injuries quickers.
i'm not convinced.. i'm sure steroids help prolong your level of performance.. you can look at many many sports and see that older athletes are doing better and better and i think its in part because they avail themselves to whatever they can.. a guy like clemens for example.. he was pitching great into i think almost his mid 40s!
but i do concede that some players' bodies break down seemingly out of nowhere and you wonder why and it does seem like it must have been roids or something.. a guy named garciaparra comes to mind..
i think the whole thing about steroids causing your body to break down is rather murky... i mean look at bonds... obviously the roids helped him maintain and even increase tremendous batspeed etc into older age when he should have been on the downslope..
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Golfers and NASCAR drivers both seem to do very well in their 40's. Are they all on steroids too?
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the point is let them do what they want as long as they don't do something against the laws of the United States in which case their problem is with the legal system
i dont want to sit around thinking "oh this year he did this" or he must have been on the roids.. i want to think they all did whatever they could and felt comfortable doing and whoever is best is best under those rules of the game.... the current scheme means some people cheat and some don't... and some get caught and some don't... i no longer really enjoy baseball because i have no idea who is "cheating" or not.. stop calling it cheating..let them do what they want and i'll be able to enjoy the play more... i mean was lifting weights cheating? players always are going to do what they can to play their best..its human nature and the economics of the game make it necessary......
grow up people.. i mean seriously grow the fuck up.. players are going to do what they can to play better....
i remember how everybody hated bonds so much.. picked on the guy so much.. and it tturned out they were all fucking doing the same thing! and i knew it but people wanted to make him responsible.... wake up people they are all doing it.. do you really think the jamaican runners who all of a sudden are the fastest people on earth are not doing it?
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Golfers and NASCAR drivers both seem to do very well in their 40's. Are they all on steroids too?
ha ha.. of course there are sports where steroids would add nothing... like NASCAR.... we do remember a very bulked up tiger woods a few years ago....
but look at a guy like nadal in tennis...
look at the tour de france guys.. somebody just won the vuelta de espana cycling race and they can't find him to get the post race samples.. he's dissapeared!
look at the jamaican runners..
and it goes on and on and on..
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Golfers and NASCAR drivers both seem to do very well in their 40's. Are they all on steroids too?
and its not just steroids.. there are blood transfusions.. human growth hormone and all these things i bet we don't even know about... .there are always going to be people trying to make their bodies stronger and betterr performing and get their hands on whatever they can..
just legalize it all and end the charade.... because you can't win.. you can't catch them all..you can't even catch most of them.. AROD was caught the second time because the doping firm or whatever's records came to MLB's attention and NOT because of testing which was ongonig through MLB... why didn't they catch him? cause these guys know how to mask their use.. some are better than others.. some know more.. have better doping consultants or whatever you want to call them..
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Golfers and NASCAR drivers both seem to do very well in their 40's. Are they all on steroids too?
I don't think 'roid rage would be helpful in golf.
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1 game out of the 2nd wildcard - nail biting time
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I do not think they are done. Because I believe in Orioles Magic. But they are killing me.
Great pair of games. Maybe they aren't so done after all.
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See? Believing in Orioles Magic works.
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See? Believing in Orioles Magic works.
feel it happen
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I found the 45 of the song at an antique store a few weeks ago. In perfect condition. I saw it as a good sign!
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Looks like I'm going to four games next week. Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday!
That's another record. 8 games total in September for me.
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Orioles are 4-5 in their last nine games. I still see little hope in them making the playoffs as it seems every hitter has been hitting poorly for months... Well except Valencia.
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I believe in Orioles Magic. And that is also the sign I'll be taking to the games.
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Are you still planning on taking the sign?
I believe in Orioles Magic. And that is also the sign I'll be taking to the games.
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I'm still taking the sign! Even if they don't make the playoffs, I still believe...
And I'm a happy Orioles fan even if they don't. Nothing like going to games at the end of September happy that they had a good season instead of all depressed like I did for 14 years.
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They could still end up a .500 team. That's a good season?
I'm still taking the sign! Even if they don't make the playoffs, I still believe...
And I'm a happy Orioles fan even if they don't. Nothing like going to games at the end of September happy that they had a good season instead of all depressed like I did for 14 years.
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I'm still taking the sign! Even if they don't make the playoffs, I still believe...
And I'm a happy Orioles fan even if they don't. Nothing like going to games at the end of September happy that they had a good season instead of all depressed like I did for 14 years.
The Season ended in August when JJ blew all those saves. I haven't been to a game in September. I have one game left that I have on Stubhub. Hopefully a Red Sox fan takes it off my hands. I think the problem with baseball is that it is just boring. Without beer and a close game and lots of screaming fans it is pretty unbearable. Last 3 games I went to were pretty bad loses. Maybe going to too many games is my problem.
It would be cool if we could get another sport in Baltimore. Soccer would be good. Baseball players are way overpaid for what they do. What do they say? Baseball players are paid for what they have done in the past and Football players are paid for what they will do in the future.
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I think you went to too many games.
I went to five Nats games and one Orioles game this year. That's the most I've ever been to, and that feels like about my max. It helps that I was I different people with me for each game (well the husband-wife-daughter combination was the same for two games). It also helped that the Nats were 4-1 in games I attended (the loss being a ninth inning come from behind affair), and the O's were 1-0.
Almost all male professional athletes are grossly overpaid. And will always be so, unless the fans protest with non-attendance and nonviewing. Which won't happen, because we're a world full of blockheads.
I'm still taking the sign! Even if they don't make the playoffs, I still believe...
And I'm a happy Orioles fan even if they don't. Nothing like going to games at the end of September happy that they had a good season instead of all depressed like I did for 14 years.
The Season ended in August when JJ blew all those saves. I haven't been to a game in September. I have one game left that I have on Stubhub. Hopefully a Red Sox fan takes it off my hands. I think the problem with baseball is that it is just boring. Without beer and a close game and lots of screaming fans it is pretty unbearable. Last 3 games I went to were pretty bad loses. Maybe going to too many games is my problem.
It would be cool if we could get another sport in Baltimore. Soccer would be good. Baseball players are way overpaid for what they do. What do they say? Baseball players are paid for what they have done in the past and Football players are paid for what they will do in the future.
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I love baseball. I don't think it's boring. I have faith they will have a winning season. I watch every Orioles game and have since I was little. So for me, especially after watching them lose and lose and lose for years and years and years, I'm a happy fan.
I'm over you fair weather fans.
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and I went to around 16 games last year and 13-14 this year, including going to Cleveland.
Sorry you guys don't like baseball. Glad you won't be next to me complaining.
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and I went to around 16 games last year and 13-14 this year, including going to Cleveland.
Sorry you guys don't like baseball. Glad you won't be next to me complaining.
Yeah because baseball games are so much fun when you are the only one there.
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They are to me. Especially when I'm watching with real fans.
I love baseball. It's my favorite. I don't need beer or people screaming to find it exciting.
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I think you went to too many games.
I think it's up to the individual to decide that. I love baseball and usually attend ~15 games a year. Didn't come close to that this year, unfortunately. Only saw the O's lose once.
A .500 season has to be a disappointment based on expectations. Hopefully the front office sees it that way and acquires the few missing pieces we need for next season.
Thinking of going on Friday.
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and I went to around 16 games last year and 13-14 this year, including going to Cleveland.
Sorry you guys don't like baseball. Glad you won't be next to me complaining.
Yeah because baseball games are so much fun when you are the only one there.
I have no idea why you have season tickets. All you do is complain about the team, the game, the sport, etc. Maybe you should invest in Caps tix instead.
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I think you went to too many games.
I think it's up to the individual to decide that. I love baseball and usually attend ~15 games a year. Didn't come close to that this year, unfortunately. Only saw the O's lose once.
A .500 season has to be a disappointment based on expectations. Hopefully the front office sees it that way and acquires the few missing pieces we need for next season.
Thinking of going on Friday.
Going Thursday and Sunday. As far as the FO goes - seems to me they made moves to acquire more pitching around the deadline. The team just stopped hitting.
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and I went to around 16 games last year and 13-14 this year, including going to Cleveland.
Sorry you guys don't like baseball. Glad you won't be next to me complaining.
Yeah because baseball games are so much fun when you are the only one there.
I have no idea why you have season tickets. All you do is complain about the team, the game, the sport, etc. Maybe you should invest in Caps tix instead.
I won't have season tickets next year. I thought it would be fun. 16 games in a season is too many. I won't be getting Caps tickets as they are too much money and I don't feel like driving to DC. I do think hockey players should get paid more money as there is actually some competition to get them to play in North America and it is a physical game.
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If I lived closer to the stadium, I would get the 29 game plan for sure.
You just don't like baseball. Go drink beer at a bar and watch the game on tv with the other frat guys.
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If I lived closer to the stadium, I would get the 29 game plan for sure.
You just don't like baseball. Go drink beer at a bar and watch the game on tv with the other frat guys.
I like being outside drinking on a nice day. I think that is what baseball has going for it. Perhaps that is why I liked it less in July and August. Too hot. On a nice sunny 70 degree day it is awesome. Drinking my Belgium Beer and having a pretzel.
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Evidently Machado just severly injured his knee.
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Evidently Machado just severly injured his knee.
I saw that - stretchered off. Totally sucks. Fingers crossed.
Manny Machado suffers leg injury (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9714213/manny-machado-baltimore-orioles-leaves-game-gruesome-leg-injury)
Updated: September 23, 2013, 7:07 PM ET
Associated Press
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- Baltimore Orioles third baseman Manny Machado has been taken off the field on a stretcher after injuring his left leg running out an infield single.
Machado's leg buckled when he reached the first-base bag in the seventh inning of Monday's game at Tampa Bay.
Machado was in obvious pain while being treated on the infield dirt near first by team trainers and stadium medical officials.
Baltimore manager Buck Showalter patted Machado several times near the shoulder before the stretcher was moved from the playing field.
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More Orioles magic today!
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More Orioles magic today!
Isn't there at least part of the day when you're not a dick?
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I am so depressed about Manny.
And I don't think so...about whatever the f that forum poster is...
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I am so depressed about Manny.
And I don't think so...about whatever the f that forum poster is...
Why are you depressed about Manny? There are over 6 months until the start of next season. Suggs was back in around that amount of time from his ACL tear and the Ravens won the Super Bowl.
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Why are you depressed about Manny? There are over 6 months until the start of next season. Suggs was back in around that amount of time from his ACL tear and the Ravens won the Super Bowl.
Hey, great example!
Of course the list of professional athletes who never return to their respective sport, let alone the level that they played at before the injury, is much longer than the ones that do....
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No MRI results announced yet, but I think Jonathan Schoop will be the everyday 3B next year. Just didn't look good last night.
Edit: Maybe not. According to Buck: 'I feel very confident that Manny will be playing for us early next season'.
Torn medial patellofemoral ligament in his left kneecap - could have been much worse.
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the magic continues!
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Glad I didn't pay for those World Series tickets they tried to get me buy a month ago.
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Glad I didn't pay for those World Series tickets they tried to get me buy a month ago.
THAT'S the spirit!
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The Orioles have scored more runs than they did last year. Odds are they will give up less runs than last year. So what is missing? Orioles Magic is the answer.
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Brian Roberts is the curse.
The Orioles have scored more runs than they did last year. Odds are they will give up less runs than last year. So what is missing? Orioles Magic is the answer.
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Brian Roberts is the curse.
The Orioles have scored more runs than they did last year. Odds are they will give up less runs than last year. So what is missing? Orioles Magic is the answer.
He didn't play last night and they won. Maybe Roberts is the curse. Short guy curse.
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Atomic I think you belong in the Nationals thread. Or the Red Sox thread. Or the Yankee thread. Stop clogging up this one with your assholeness.
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The Orioles seem to be doing their best to lose that least errors record...
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Atomic I think you belong in the Nationals thread. Or the Red Sox thread. Or the Yankee thread. Stop clogging up this one with your assholeness.
What??? I have Orioles season tickets, a Jones Jersey a Weiters Jersey. An Orioles cap on as I type this. I was there on opening day I will be there tomorrow night. Biggest Orioles fan on this site. I can't help it that Roberts is a curse. Don't shoot the messenger.
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You complain about baseball and the Orioles and other people at the game more than anyone. Biggest fan? Sorry, you are not. Just because you have some gear and season tickets (that you constantly complain about having bought) doesn't make you the best fan.
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Real fans complain when the team is underperforming. That's part of being a fan. Otherwise, you're just a dumb cheerleader.
You complain about baseball and the Orioles and other people at the game more than anyone. Biggest fan? Sorry, you are not. Just because you have some gear and season tickets (that you constantly complain about having bought) doesn't make you the best fan.
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You complain about baseball and the Orioles and other people at the game more than anyone. Biggest fan? Sorry, you are not. Just because you have some gear and season tickets (that you constantly complain about having bought) doesn't make you the best fan.
I complain about people sitting in seats that I paid for everytime I get up. Why wouldn't I complain?Why can't the O's do a simple thing like keep the poor people out of my seats? Why should I pay for good seats when I can just buy the cheapest tickets in the house and move up. I also complained about when I got my tickets there was a ticket short and I send an nice email out to my ticket representative and he was rude to me and talked down to me and told me he didn't have time to help me.
I don't like that they sent playoff and world series tickets out to me in August and said if I wanted to buy them I had to either pay for them all now and if the games aren't played then I have to send a letter in writing to a certain addresss within a week and ask for my refund back or I would not get it. Or I could pay half in August and there was no way for me to get a refund for the games that would never be played.
I have season tickets to the theater and the symphony and everyone is really nice. The Orioles are rude and don't do their job.
As for the team they kept sending Jim Johnson out game after game to lose them. They kept playing Roberts when he brings down the team. Am I not supposed to discuss this? Maybe there shouldn't be an Orioles thread if we aren't allowed to actually discuss the team.
I do compliment the team on the beer selection, the pretzel selection and the Korean Tacos and Boogs Barbecue and Dempsey's place. The Stadium is lovely.
Maybe I have never being a sports seasons ticket holder I am not used to having people I bought stuff from being rude to me. Maybe that is standard procedure. But guess what I go to events outside of sports. I don't need the Orioles they need me. So f'em. I am not buying tickets next year. If I go I will go on Friday Night get the 5 dollar college tickets and then move up to the lower boxes like everyon else.
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Is your wife still in college?
You complain about baseball and the Orioles and other people at the game more than anyone. Biggest fan? Sorry, you are not. Just because you have some gear and season tickets (that you constantly complain about having bought) doesn't make you the best fan.
I complain about people sitting in seats that I paid for everytime I get up. Why wouldn't I complain?Why can't the O's do a simple thing like keep the poor people out of my seats? Why should I pay for good seats when I can just buy the cheapest tickets in the house and move up. I also complained about when I got my tickets there was a ticket short and I send an nice email out to my ticket representative and he was rude to me and talked down to me and told me he didn't have time to help me.
I don't like that they sent playoff and world series tickets out to me in August and said if I wanted to buy them I had to either pay for them all now and if the games aren't played then I have to send a letter in writing to a certain addresss within a week and ask for my refund back or I would not get it. Or I could pay half in August and there was no way for me to get a refund for the games that would never be played.
I have season tickets to the theater and the symphony and everyone is really nice. The Orioles are rude and don't do their job.
As for the team they kept sending Jim Johnson out game after game to lose them. They kept playing Roberts when he brings down the team. Am I not supposed to discuss this? Maybe there shouldn't be an Orioles thread if we aren't allowed to actually discuss the team.
I do compliment the team on the beer selection, the pretzel selection and the Korean Tacos and Boogs Barbecue and Dempsey's place. The Stadium is lovely.
Maybe I have never being a sports seasons ticket holder I am not used to having people I bought stuff from being rude to me. Maybe that is standard procedure. But guess what I go to events outside of sports. I don't need the Orioles they need me. So f'em. I am not buying tickets next year. If I go I will go on Friday Night get the 5 dollar college tickets and then move up to the lower boxes like everyon else.
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Is your wife still in college?
You complain about baseball and the Orioles and other people at the game more than anyone. Biggest fan? Sorry, you are not. Just because you have some gear and season tickets (that you constantly complain about having bought) doesn't make you the best fan.
I complain about people sitting in seats that I paid for everytime I get up. Why wouldn't I complain?Why can't the O's do a simple thing like keep the poor people out of my seats? Why should I pay for good seats when I can just buy the cheapest tickets in the house and move up. I also complained about when I got my tickets there was a ticket short and I send an nice email out to my ticket representative and he was rude to me and talked down to me and told me he didn't have time to help me.
I don't like that they sent playoff and world series tickets out to me in August and said if I wanted to buy them I had to either pay for them all now and if the games aren't played then I have to send a letter in writing to a certain addresss within a week and ask for my refund back or I would not get it. Or I could pay half in August and there was no way for me to get a refund for the games that would never be played.
I have season tickets to the theater and the symphony and everyone is really nice. The Orioles are rude and don't do their job.
As for the team they kept sending Jim Johnson out game after game to lose them. They kept playing Roberts when he brings down the team. Am I not supposed to discuss this? Maybe there shouldn't be an Orioles thread if we aren't allowed to actually discuss the team.
I do compliment the team on the beer selection, the pretzel selection and the Korean Tacos and Boogs Barbecue and Dempsey's place. The Stadium is lovely.
Maybe I have never being a sports seasons ticket holder I am not used to having people I bought stuff from being rude to me. Maybe that is standard procedure. But guess what I go to events outside of sports. I don't need the Orioles they need me. So f'em. I am not buying tickets next year. If I go I will go on Friday Night get the 5 dollar college tickets and then move up to the lower boxes like everyon else.
No but I know people who still have their college id's. I would just go with them.
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I had a mini plan last year and the representatives could not have been nicer.
The Ushers at the stadium are always nice (to me and my friends and family anyway) and there's never been an issue with people leaving seats they're not supposed to be sitting in. What did it take, around 30 seconds for people to move out of your precious seat?
What I will say about the team this year is that they fought for every win. Sure Adam Jones shouldn't be swinging at junk pitches and needs to learn to take a walk, yes it sucks that Jim Johnson blew more saves than he did last year, but he still has 42 for the year, and that's pretty darn good for a closer. It would have been nice if the offense could have showed up when they needed to, if Michael Morse wouldn't have been such a crap decision, if if and if....
But, it's a marathon, not a sprint. I went to around 16 games this season, both at home and on the road and couldn't have had a better time watching the Orioles. For me, it's about the invisible strategy of baseball. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. It's the way the game is played.
Like Buck says, "I like our guys". Maybe that makes me a cheerleader, but I'm a proud one. After watching every game and going at the end of September even in the 14 loosing seasons, it's nice to go and be proud that they made games in September matter.
I'm an all weather fan.
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I had a mini plan last year and the representatives could not have been nicer.
The Ushers at the stadium are always nice (to me and my friends and family anyway) and there's never been an issue with people leaving seats they're not supposed to be sitting in. What did it take, around 30 seconds for people to move out of your precious seat?
What I will say about the team this year is that they fought for every win. Sure Adam Jones shouldn't be swinging at junk pitches and needs to learn to take a walk, yes it sucks that Jim Johnson blew more saves than he did last year, but he still has 42 for the year, and that's pretty darn good for a closer. It would have been nice if the offense could have showed up when they needed to, if Michael Morse wouldn't have been such a crap decision, if if and if....
But, it's a marathon, not a sprint. I went to around 16 games this season, both at home and on the road and couldn't have had a better time watching the Orioles. For me, it's about the invisible strategy of baseball. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. It's the way the game is played.
Like Buck says, "I like our guys". Maybe that makes me a cheerleader, but I'm a proud one. After watching every game and going at the end of September even in the 14 loosing seasons, it's nice to go and be proud that they made games in September matter.
I'm an all weather fan.
It took well over a minute both time people are in my seats. They seem to be annoyed that I am asking them to move. The ushers should do their jobs. As for your experience with your ticket rep being different than mine who knows if you ticket rep even works for the O's anymore. Did you even have problems with your tickets? Am I supposed to just like it that someone was rude to me for no reason?
I am guessing no one has ever sit in your seats because they are shitty seats. Why are you telling me you never had anyone sit in your seats? Why do I care? I have people sitting in my seats all the time. That is what is bothering me. You must be a great friend. Someone tells you their husband has left them and you state "My husband has never left me!!!"
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You crack me up. I've never heard anyone bitch about people in seats as much as you. Are you in the first row? That might explain it.
I have bought seats all over the ballpark. From the 8th row behind home plate on up.
I have plenty of friends who are Orioles fans and who've had season tickets. Your expectations for how you need to be treated in life are just a little over the top. I'm sure your mom still does your laundry.
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You should stop going to games at Camden then. I don't know why anybody on here is trying to convince you otherwise.
Vote with your wallet.
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I'm going to wager that he makes his wife do his laundry.
. I'm sure your mom still does your laundry.
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You crack me up. I've never heard anyone bitch about people in seats as much as you. Are you in the first row? That might explain it.
I have bought seats all over the ballpark. From the 8th row behind home plate on up.
I have plenty of friends who are Orioles fans and who've had season tickets. Your expectations for how you need to be treated in life are just a little over the top. I'm sure your mom still does your laundry.
My expectations are not over the top at all. I emailed my rep and nicely said that I was missing a ticket for one of my games and ask if he could help me. I said Hello [his name] and added "thank you" at the end. He said there is no way a ticket could be missing as they have never had that happen before and he didn't have time to help me.
So the tickets happen to be games for noon on a weekday and I wanted to exchange them so I found out there was a print-at-home option. I took tickets to the stadium to exchange and the season ticket holder box office said they couldn't exchange them as they were reported sold. Anyway it took me forever but there was finally a manager at the booth that was able to help me who was pleasant.
I don't know why you arguing me. It makes you look stupid. You are arguing to me about my experiences. I have never had anyone sit in my seats anywhere I go. It is a regular occurrence at Camden Yards. My seats are at the end of an Aisle and are lower box seats. I guess that is what appeals to people who sit in seats they didn't pay for. I wouldn't mind so much except the people give me dirty looks at take their good old time leaving. The one guy left his cell phone behind. So I waited a few innings and then gave it to the usher. Hopefully he got it back but I think payback is what he got.
As for my Laundary I do it myself and even fold it myself. . I cook too.
I don't complain about the team too much. I like most of the players and the management. My only complaint about the actual team is that Buck lets veteran players play no matter what their performance. JJ, Robert, and Markakis have had bad years but still get top billing.
I do notice when I get club level seats that they won't let me get to the club level without my tickets. Which I guess is an option if you don't like to be around the seat takers. But I don't like sitting up that high and the beer selection is limited as well as the food. They should just check peoples tickets or make the seats all general admission.
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I'm going to wager that he makes his wife do his laundry.
. I'm sure your mom still does your laundry.
That worked with the first wife but these younger women have attitudes about things like "Do my laundary". The girl I went out with before my current wife was 14 years younger than me but only cooked for me once the entire 3 months we went out. Can you believe that? I bet she is still single.
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I'm with Atomic on this .. if he feels the customer service ain't cutting it he's entitled to feel that way and not renew...
the obvious question though is why are people always in his seat? do you get there late.. either way it should not happen... I'd hate having to deal with a bunch of bros in my seats or something.... also does it happen always or only some of the time?
i generally like the staff at Camden Yards... much friendlier than Nats Stadium (where they really could give two shits about you)
I dont' know though... I seem to recall that when the O's where winning Atomic was real happy with his plan and yapping about it left and right.. but maybe I'm mis remembering
If I lived in Baltimore I'd go to Camden Yards.. I also like the surrounding area/bars..its not like DC where everything is so damn pricey.
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Why can't the O's do a simple thing like keep the poor people out of my seats?
Good one.
In 14 years I never had a problem with my reps but I cannot blame anyone for bailing on the team if they'd had the issue you described.
Went to the last two games. Had a blast. Hope the offseason is a productive one.
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I went to four games last week and had the best time! Last two games were especially great. I will miss Camden Yards in the winter! Season tickets for me next year. And heading to Chi-town to see them play on the road. Should be a good two series! I love Wrigley.
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Went to Friday's game as I couldn't sell them on stub-hub. Left after 7th. It was another boring loss. Maybe baseball isn't for me. Why can't we get a soccer or hockey team in Baltimore?
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I went to four games last week and had the best time! Last two games were especially great. I will miss Camden Yards in the winter! Season tickets for me next year. And heading to Chi-town to see them play on the road. Should be a good two series! I love Wrigley.
Went yesterday - what a mob scene. So many early arrivers to get the bobblehead. Great day, great time, great win.
Planning a trip to Chicago as well. How are you going to get tickets? Can you do that through the rep?
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Why not just go see them when they are in Chicago playing the White Sox? No doubt the tickets are cheaper and easier to get. Nice stadium, too. Wrigley Field is just full of asshole bros.
I went to four games last week and had the best time! Last two games were especially great. I will miss Camden Yards in the winter! Season tickets for me next year. And heading to Chi-town to see them play on the road. Should be a good two series! I love Wrigley.
Went yesterday - what a mob scene. So many early arrivers to get the bobblehead. Great day, great time, great win.
Planning a trip to Chicago as well. How are you going to get tickets? Can you do that through the rep?
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Why not just go see them when they are in Chicago playing the White Sox? No doubt the tickets are cheaper and easier to get. Nice stadium, too. Wrigley Field is just full of asshole bros.
I went to four games last week and had the best time! Last two games were especially great. I will miss Camden Yards in the winter! Season tickets for me next year. And heading to Chi-town to see them play on the road. Should be a good two series! I love Wrigley.
Went yesterday - what a mob scene. So many early arrivers to get the bobblehead. Great day, great time, great win.
Planning a trip to Chicago as well. How are you going to get tickets? Can you do that through the rep?
Because the White Sox play in a shitty part of town.
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We are going to both the White Sox and Wrigley. I've been to Wrigley twice and I love it there. Plus, my favorite bar in Chicago, Gingerman is across the street.
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I went to four games last week and had the best time! Last two games were especially great. I will miss Camden Yards in the winter! Season tickets for me next year. And heading to Chi-town to see them play on the road. Should be a good two series! I love Wrigley.
Went yesterday - what a mob scene. So many early arrivers to get the bobblehead. Great day, great time, great win.
Planning a trip to Chicago as well. How are you going to get tickets? Can you do that through the rep?
The two times I went to Wrigley I bought them online during the public onsale date. It is annoying, but I got tickets. We might just go the Stub Hub route this time for that game.
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I went to four games last week and had the best time! Last two games were especially great. I will miss Camden Yards in the winter! Season tickets for me next year. And heading to Chi-town to see them play on the road. Should be a good two series! I love Wrigley.
Went yesterday - what a mob scene. So many early arrivers to get the bobblehead. Great day, great time, great win.
Planning a trip to Chicago as well. How are you going to get tickets? Can you do that through the rep?
The two times I went to Wrigley I bought them online during the public onsale date. It is annoying, but I got tickets. We might just go the Stub Hub route this time for that game.
I bought tickets by riding my bike up to Wrigley Field the day of the game.
Gingerman is the one place I ever did an Internet Message Board meet-up.
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I was able to do the same, two years in a row. The second year we ended up not able to go, so I sold them on stubhub and made a fortune. Should probably try to do that every year.
I went to four games last week and had the best time! Last two games were especially great. I will miss Camden Yards in the winter! Season tickets for me next year. And heading to Chi-town to see them play on the road. Should be a good two series! I love Wrigley.
Went yesterday - what a mob scene. So many early arrivers to get the bobblehead. Great day, great time, great win.
Planning a trip to Chicago as well. How are you going to get tickets? Can you do that through the rep?
The two times I went to Wrigley I bought them online during the public onsale date. It is annoying, but I got tickets. We might just go the Stub Hub route this time for that game.
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Orioles facing a run of tough choices
November, 17, 2013
By Buster Olney | ESPN.com
Chemistry alone can't keep the core of the Orioles together. It'll take a pile of money, too.
The Red Sox have won the World Series three times in the past 10 seasons. The Yankees have made the playoffs all but two seasons since 1995, capitalizing on a record payroll. The Tampa Bay Rays are generally viewed within the industry as having the best-run baseball operations department and the most symbiotic organization.
Welcome to the world that the Baltimore Orioles inhabit, where they must try to find elbow room. The Orioles won 93 games in 2012 and made the postseason for the first time in 15 years, but they drifted back to 85 wins this past summer and now face a winter of extremely difficult decisions.
The Orioles? payroll grew from $67 million in 2009 to $92 million in 2013, and because of raises built into signed contracts for the likes of Nick Markakis and Adam Jones, and because Baltimore has more than a half-dozen arbitration-eligible players, the payroll could easily climb to $100 million without a significant upgrade.
This goes a long way to explaining why Orioles GM Dan Duquette cast a wide net at the GM meetings last week, encouraging teams to present their best offers on catcher Matt Wieters. This goes a long way to explaining why rival front offices are speculating the Orioles might be cornered into a tough choice of cutting free Jim Johnson, a closer with 101 saves over the past two seasons, by not tendering him a contract.
Baltimore?s offseason will more closely resemble a typical Rays winter, with payroll management a central concern. So although it?s always fun to wonder if Baltimore might get into serious bidding for the likes of Carlos Beltran, Matt Garza or Ubaldo Jimenez, the Orioles? greater concerns are internal.
And they start with Chris Davis and Wieters. Davis is relatively new to stardom, finishing third in the AL MVP race in 2013 with 53 homers, after hitting 33 homers in 2012.
Because it has taken some time for the first baseman to establish himself, he has accumulated just over four years of service time, meaning he?s eligible for arbitration for the second time this winter. According to MLBTradeRumors.com, Davis is in line to make about $10 million in arbitration this winter.
While the Orioles have had at least some internal talks about a long-term deal with the first baseman, the gap between what they could be willing to pay him and what he could be worth on the open market seems to be growing.
Similarly, they?ve had no luck in working out a deal with Wieters, whom they drafted and developed and relied upon as a leader. Wieters, 27, has been a decent offensive player, hitting 67 homers over the past three seasons and posting OPS marks of .778, .764 and .708 in 2011, 2012 and 2013, respectively.
The Orioles would like to sign Wieters to a long-term deal, but the team seems to be speaking a different language in negotiations. The counter it received before the 2013 season was something in the range of the eight-year, $184 million deal signed by Joe Mauer. Baltimore will not do that deal.
Wieters is represented by Scott Boras, who typically takes his clients into free agency, and is eligible for free agency after the 2015 season.
Davis? agent: Scott Boras. And Davis, too, is eligible for free agency after 2015.
Wieters is in line to make about $8 million in arbitration in 2014, when Markakis will make $15 million, in the final guaranteed year of his current contract, and when Jones will earn $13 million. J.J. Hardy is in the last year of his contract and is set to earn $7 million. So the Orioles could have more than $50 million in salary to just those five players -- none of whom is a starting pitcher.
Officials in other organizations are doing the Orioles? math, as they evaluate trade possibilities, and they figure that something has to give; they figure that Duquette will have to slash somewhere. Maybe the Orioles would actually dump Wieters if they would get a decent prospect in return. In a winter in which the prices for free-agent outfielders are rocketing northward, maybe they can find a taker for Markakis, who is an emotional leader for Baltimore.
Some executives look at Johnson as perhaps the most painless cut. The Orioles? closer was extraordinary in 2012, posting 51 saves, and while his performance regressed in 2013, he still had 50 saves and is in line to make about $10.8 million through arbitration in 2014. "For a team that has payroll issues,? one rival official wrote in an email the other day, ?this is too much money.?
A lot of teams view closers in the way NFL teams view kickers -- mostly interchangeable, with few exceptions. When the 2014 season opens, there may be only two teams using the same closers they had at the outset of 2012: the Braves, with Craig Kimbrel, and the Phillies, with Jonathan Papelbon. Koji Uehara went into spring training in 2013 at No. 4 on the Boston bullpen depth chart and wound up throwing the final pitch of the World Series after a dominant second half -- which said a lot about Uehara and about how quickly a closer?s performance can change.
But for the Orioles, the closer has been much more integral than for most teams, because of how their games have played out. Baltimore has not gotten a lot of production from its rotation, leaving many save chances on the table for the bullpen.
Note who had the most save opportunities in 2012:
1. Cincinnati, 74
2. Baltimore, 73 (tie)
2. Milwaukee, 73 (tie)
And 2013:
1. Baltimore, 84
2. Kansas City, 73
3. Pittsburgh, 70
The Orioles aren?t in position to substantially upgrade their rotation this winter, although they can reasonably hope that Kevin Gausman will have a greater impact in 2014. So if they are to contend again next season, they?ll need a dominant bullpen -- and if Johnson is not the closer, then who is?
There are sacrifices built into every hypothetical this winter. If Johnson, Wieters or Markakis isn't moved, how could the Orioles make upgrades elsewhere? If they aren?t going to work out long-term deals with Wieters or Davis, when is the best time to try to trade them? And if they do work out deals, what other parts of the roster must be adjusted as a result? Everybody with the Orioles would love to retain Nate McLouth, for example, but where will there be enough money left over to make even that happen?
This will not be an easy winter to be part of the Orioles organization or an Orioles fan.
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New uni patch to be worn next year:
(http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/images/Os60thAnniversaryPatch.jpg)
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Wieters and Jim Johnson basically did nothing this year of value so I don't know what they would get in arbitration. I am sure Wieters could get a current player of value in return so I can see trading him. You still need someone to catch. Jim Johnson might be hard to trade as no one will want to pay his arbitration number. He might get released.
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A lot of teams view closers in the way NFL teams view kickers -- mostly interchangeable, with few exceptions. When the 2014 season opens, there may be only two teams using the same closers they had at the outset of 2012: the Braves, with Craig Kimbrel, and the Phillies, with Jonathan Papelbon.
small tangent, but is cincinatti considering chapman as a starter?
Wieters and Jim Johnson basically did nothing this year of value so I don't know what they would get in arbitration. I am sure Wieters could get a current player of value in return so I can see trading him. You still need someone to catch. Jim Johnson might be hard to trade as no one will want to pay his arbitration number. He might get released.
for weiters... if i was another team, i'd love to trade for him. seems like a buy low situation and better value than buzzkill mccann.
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small tangent, but is cincinatti considering chapman as a starter?
Every off season this gets discussed and the thorn in the road was always Dusty Baker. Now that he's out of the picture, who knows, but if I remember right, last season even Chapman said he wanted to just be the closer, right?
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Jim Johnson basically did nothing this year of value so I don't know what they would get in arbitration. Jim Johnson might be hard to trade as no one will want to pay his arbitration number. He might get released.
50 saves not going to look like "nothing" on paper to an arbitrator. All he's done is led the league in saves for two straight seasons.
I dare the Orioles to release him.
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small tangent, but is cincinatti considering chapman as a starter?
Every off season this gets discussed and the thorn in the road was always Dusty Baker. Now that he's out of the picture, who knows, but if I remember right, last season even Chapman said he wanted to just be the closer, right?
yep, i mean, who wouldn't? and he wouldn't be nearly as electrifying as a SP.
but maybe after missing the playoffs, presumably losing arroyo in free agency etc., cueto not staying healthy, they push for him to transition...
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Jim Johnson basically did nothing this year of value so I don't know what they would get in arbitration. Jim Johnson might be hard to trade as no one will want to pay his arbitration number. He might get released.
50 saves not going to look like "nothing" on paper to an arbitrator. All he's done is led the league in saves for two straight seasons.
I dare the Orioles to release him.
Replacement level player and he has a lot of something that is a meaningless stat. DD will not pay him 10+ million a year.
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A lot of teams view closers in the way NFL teams view kickers -- mostly interchangeable, with few exceptions. When the 2014 season opens, there may be only two teams using the same closers they had at the outset of 2012: the Braves, with Craig Kimbrel, and the Phillies, with Jonathan Papelbon.
small tangent, but is cincinatti considering chapman as a starter?
Wieters and Jim Johnson basically did nothing this year of value so I don't know what they would get in arbitration. I am sure Wieters could get a current player of value in return so I can see trading him. You still need someone to catch. Jim Johnson might be hard to trade as no one will want to pay his arbitration number. He might get released.
for weiters... if i was another team, i'd love to trade for him. seems like a buy low situation and better value than buzzkill mccann.
If Weiters gets traded we willget something of value back. Orioles won't give him away. He asking for Joe Mauer money which is insane.
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Not many catchers catch as many games as Weiters does. He is one of the most valuable players.
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He'll be a weak hitting first basemen or DH before you know it.
Not many catchers catch as many games as Weiters does. He is one of the most valuable players.
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I think DD has a blockbuster up his sleeve. And I don't think they want to give Johnson $10M.
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Not many catchers catch as many games as Weiters does. He is one of the most valuable players.
Catching so many games may be why he performed so badly last year but he performed at replacement level. Maybe it's Buck's fault as he overplayed him. But catchers with declining numbers are not usually a good investment.
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Not many catchers catch as many games as Weiters does. He is one of the most valuable players.
Debating his value might not matter. He's represented by Scott Boras. The O's should deal him before his contract is up for sure, and deciding when the best time to do that is going to be the key. I think after next season would be the most opportune time.
Unless you know for certain he's willing to take a discount to stay where he's happy, like Weaver did for Anaheim. I don't see that happening though.
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Replacement level player and he has a lot of something that is a meaningless stat. DD will not pay him 10+ million a year.
I'm not saying he's worth $10m, but there's certainly trade value there. Remember, the Nat's gave a 33 year old reliever a 2-year $22M deal just last season...
Even if they did release him before the start of next season, they'd very likely end up having to pay him anyway. They can't release him because he's too expensive (it's prohibited during arbitration), and because he's a relief pitcher, the O's would have to prove that every other relief pitcher on the roster performed better than him in Spring Training, including the non-roster player who's taking his place. Good luck with that.
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Replacement level player and he has a lot of something that is a meaningless stat. DD will not pay him 10+ million a year.
I'm not saying he's worth $10m, but there's certainly trade value there. Remember, the Nat's gave a 33 year old reliever a 2-year $22M deal just last season...
Even if they did release him before the start of next season, they'd very likely end up having to pay him anyway. They can't release him because he's too expensive (it's prohibited during arbitration), and because he's a relief pitcher, the O's would have to prove that every other relief pitcher on the roster performed better than him in Spring Training, including the non-roster player who's taking his place. Good luck with that.
They don't have to offer him arbitration.
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Not many catchers catch as many games as Weiters does. He is one of the most valuable players.
Debating his value might not matter. He's represented by Scott Boras. The O's should deal him before his contract is up for sure, and deciding when the best time to do that is going to be the key. I think after next season would be the most opportune time.
Unless you know for certain he's willing to take a discount to stay where he's happy, like Weaver did for Anaheim. I don't see that happening though.
You don't hire Boras unless you want to get paid.
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They don't have to offer him arbitration.
Like I said, I dare the O's to release him.
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You don't hire Boras unless you want to get paid.
Not everybody.
It's Weaver's fault, of course, that this contract ? forfeiting perhaps as much as $60 million, says his agent, Scott Boras? is a trending topic throughout baseball that refuses to fade. (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/angels/story/2012-07-12/jered-weaver-All-Star/56183470/1)
"I know people still talk about it, and how big some people still think it is," Weaver tells USA TODAY Sports. "But honestly, I wouldn't change a thing. It's tough for me saying the contract is a discount. Come on, it's $85 million. It's more money than I ever thought I would make in my life. I'm happy with my decision, and I can just concentrate on playing baseball, which is more important to me.
"I'm happy. My family is happy. The fans and my teammates are happy," he says. "If we play like we're capable of in the second half and win this whole thing, that's all the happiness I need."
If Weaver weren't 10-1 with a league-leading 1.96 ERA, throwing a no-hitter in May and limiting the opposition to a .188 batting average the first half, maybe his contract wouldn't look like an eighth-grade musical on Broadway.
He's not fazed.
"I get to stay at home. I get to pitch in front of my mom and dad and friends and family. And I live in Southern California, where the weather is beautiful," Weaver says.
"Come on, is that so bad?
"You can't put a dollar figure on happiness."
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Not many catchers catch as many games as Weiters does. He is one of the most valuable players.
Debating his value might not matter. He's represented by Scott Boras. The O's should deal him before his contract is up for sure, and deciding when the best time to do that is going to be the key. I think after next season would be the most opportune time.
Unless you know for certain he's willing to take a discount to stay where he's happy, like Weaver did for Anaheim. I don't see that happening though.
You don't hire Boras unless you want to get paid.
and you dont hire jay-z unless you want to request a lucrative amount of money and watch the world collectively roll their eyes.
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You don't hire Boras unless you want to get paid.
Not everybody.
It's Weaver's fault, of course, that this contract ? forfeiting perhaps as much as $60 million, says his agent, Scott Boras? is a trending topic throughout baseball that refuses to fade. (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/angels/story/2012-07-12/jered-weaver-All-Star/56183470/1)
"I know people still talk about it, and how big some people still think it is," Weaver tells USA TODAY Sports. "But honestly, I wouldn't change a thing. It's tough for me saying the contract is a discount. Come on, it's $85 million. It's more money than I ever thought I would make in my life. I'm happy with my decision, and I can just concentrate on playing baseball, which is more important to me.
"I'm happy. My family is happy. The fans and my teammates are happy," he says. "If we play like we're capable of in the second half and win this whole thing, that's all the happiness I need."
If Weaver weren't 10-1 with a league-leading 1.96 ERA, throwing a no-hitter in May and limiting the opposition to a .188 batting average the first half, maybe his contract wouldn't look like an eighth-grade musical on Broadway.
He's not fazed.
"I get to stay at home. I get to pitch in front of my mom and dad and friends and family. And I live in Southern California, where the weather is beautiful," Weaver says.
"Come on, is that so bad?
"You can't put a dollar figure on happiness."
85 million is still getting paid. If the Orioles offered Wieters 85 million he would sign. But the O's would have to be nuts to do that.
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85 million is still getting paid. If the Orioles offered Wieters 85 million he would sign. But the O's would have to be nuts to do that.
has there ever been a good catcher contract? seriously, any multi-year deal, and anything over 30 million is just plain stupid. as james ford noted, they quickly turn into weak hitting liabilities.
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85 million is still getting paid. If the Orioles offered Wieters 85 million he would sign. But the O's would have to be nuts to do that.
has there ever been a good catcher contract? seriously, any multi-year deal, and anything over 30 million is just plain stupid. as james ford noted, they quickly turn into weak hitting liabilities.
Mauer is done with catching evidently. Full time first baseman.
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has there ever been a good catcher contract? seriously, any multi-year deal, and anything over 30 million is just plain stupid. as james ford noted, they quickly turn into weak hitting liabilities.
Thus far, Yadier Molina's deal looks like it was an incredibly good one (10 years, $96m 2008-2018) and it's too early to tell on Buster Posey, but he appears to have bounced back from the broken leg just fine (9 years, $164m 2013-21), though I won't be surprised if Buster's a 1B some day.
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85 million is still getting paid. If the Orioles offered Wieters 85 million he would sign. But the O's would have to be nuts to do that.
Boras probably lost his shit when Weaver agreed to that deal - any agent could have gotten Weaver that deal. He was projected to make about $130-$140 million. Weaver was also second in the Cy Young voting the year before that and was the leading candidate at that time.
Weiters has barely played in an all-star game and hasn't sniffed the MVP voting - any team would be nuts to give him $85m, which is why some team probably will. And Boras will just laugh....
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A lot of marginal players have made all-star rosters - especially with the rule that each team must be represented.
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has there ever been a good catcher contract?
Munson
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Not many catchers catch as many games as Weiters does. He is one of the most valuable players.
Reminds me of the joke about the businessman who loses money on every sale, but makes up for it in volume.
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They don't have to offer him arbitration.
Like I said, I dare the O's to release him.
Orioles will tender contracts to all arbitration-eligible players (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-will-tender-contracts-to-all-arbeligible-players-including-reimold-patton-pearce-20131125,0,1721335.story#ixzz2lm9S9JPg)
The Orioles don't have to make an official decision for a week, but they will tender contracts to all nine of their arbitration-eligible players, according to the club's top executive.
?We are planning on tendering those guys,? Orioles executive vice president Dan Duquette said. ?Most of the guys we have there are real good players.?
The group consists of catcher Matt Wieters, first baseman Chris Davis, outfielders Nolan Reimold and Steve Pearce, relievers Troy Patton, Brian Matusz, Tommy Hunter and Jim Johnson, and starter Bud Norris.
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Nolan Reimold? Really?
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Nolan Reimold? Really?
He's worth a flyer at $1 million...oh wait, that's what they said last year.
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Nolan Reimold? Really?
He's worth a flyer at $1 million...oh wait, that's what they said last year.
1 million dollars down the drain. What is he like 30?
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The group consists of catcher Matt Wieters, first baseman Chris Davis, outfielders Nolan Reimold and Steve Pearce, relievers Troy Patton, Brian Matusz, Tommy Hunter and Jim Johnson, and starter Bud Norris.
Here's MLBTradeRumor's Matt Swartz with their projected raises:
Catcher Matt Wieters ($7.9MM); first baseman Chris Davis ($10MM); outfielders Nolan Reimold ($1.2MM) and Steve Pearce ($1.1MM); relievers Troy Patton ($1.2MM), Brian Matusz ($2.1MM), Tommy Hunter ($3.1MM), and Jim Johnson ($10.8MM); and starter Bud Norris ($5MM). In total, Swartz projects a $42.4MM tab for the group.
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The group consists of catcher Matt Wieters, first baseman Chris Davis, outfielders Nolan Reimold and Steve Pearce, relievers Troy Patton, Brian Matusz, Tommy Hunter and Jim Johnson, and starter Bud Norris.
Here's MLBTradeRumor's Matt Swartz with their projected raises:
Catcher Matt Wieters ($7.9MM); first baseman Chris Davis ($10MM); outfielders Nolan Reimold ($1.2MM) and Steve Pearce ($1.1MM); relievers Troy Patton ($1.2MM), Brian Matusz ($2.1MM), Tommy Hunter ($3.1MM), and Jim Johnson ($10.8MM); and starter Bud Norris ($5MM). In total, Swartz projects a $42.4MM tab for the group.
Guys who get too much for their production: Jim J. Matusz, Hunter, Pearce, and Reimold.
Norris and Davis seem like bargains.
I really can't see how Pearce or Reimold are worth that money. I would just try and get someone for the league minimum. Odds are you could get someone better for less.
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Johnson for Jemile Weeks.
Never trade with Billie Beane - he'll probably flip Johnson for 3 studs.
Although, seriously. $22 million for Kazmir, and now ~$10m for Johnson? These are not my daddy's A's.
Anyhow, Jemile Weeks is not your answer at 2B.
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terrible terrible move by the orioles. but i guess Angelos saves money
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Just going to trust Dan...
Will miss JJ.
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terrible terrible move by the orioles. but i guess Angelos saves money
The money will go elsewhere. That would have been a pretty fat contract for JJ.
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Just going to trust Dan...
Will miss JJ.
It sure looks like they weren't going to tender him and got what they could in a dump.
Says Buster:
? On one hand, the Orioles insisted that they were going to tender a contract to closer Jim Johnson, and on the other hand, other teams reported in recent weeks that the O's were working feverishly to dump the closer, who will make close to $11 million in 2014 via arbitration. Given the timing of the trade with Oakland -- right around when the Orioles would've been required to tender an offer to Johnson -- there is a ton of industry speculation that Baltimore would've simply non-tendered Johnson if they didn't find a deal.
And the trade they did find is regarded as something close to a giveaway, because Jemile Weeks is regarded as a first-round bust. He turns 27 in January, and has a .319 on-base percentage in 223 games in the majors.
Johnson is a big-time ground ball guy and likely benefited from one of the better defensive infields in baseball with the Orioles. But he'll be pitching in a much more forgiving park in Oakland.
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 59m
Two questions O's must now answer: 1. Who's the closer? 2. How could the A's--the Moneyball Athletics--afford what the Orioles could not?
I still think Billy moves him.
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Jeff Passan (of Yahoo Sports)
@JeffPassan
Jim Johnson trade was an obvious salary dump for Baltimore. Source said Orioles could be using money to pursue outfielder Nelson Cruz.
Previous 'Roiders have had a great history in Baltimore, eh?
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"inside sources" saying buck wasn't happy at all about this
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It's all about the 'allocation of resources'.
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terrible terrible move by the orioles. but i guess Angelos saves money
How is it a terrible move to save 10 million dollars and having a terrrible player off the team. I think I saw Jim Johnson in person totally self-destruct 4 times this off-season. He cost us any chance of being in the playoffs. I almost feel that Buck should be let go for keep putting him out there. Johnson is awful under pressure. He is like Billy Cundiff. Did people cry when Cundiff was let go? He was making a lot less than Johnson. Maybe the A's plan to turn him into a starter as he certainly isn't worth that much money as a subpar relief pitcher.
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"inside sources" saying buck wasn't happy at all about this
Buck sticks by his crappy veterans no matter what. That is why we saw Brian Roberts in the line-up day after day without producing. Or how Mark Reynolds kept playing third base for the O's. DD has only one move to get bad players out of the line-up. Unload them for nothing.
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terrible terrible move by the orioles. but i guess Angelos saves money
How is it a terrible move to save 10 million dollars and having a terrrible player off the team. I think I saw Jim Johnson in person totally self-destruct 4 times this off-season. He cost us any chance of being in the playoffs. I almost feel that Buck should be let go for keep putting him out there. Johnson is awful under pressure. He is like Billy Cundiff. Did people cry when Cundiff was let go? He was making a lot less than Johnson. Maybe the A's plan to turn him into a starter as he certainly isn't worth that much money as a subpar relief pitcher.
I have to say I'm with Atomic on this one. So telling what would happen this year, and he was a player in the O's not making the playoffs (of course, the offense could have also stepped up for many many games).
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If your budget really is $100M is difficult to justify giving 10% or more of that to your closer.
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Anyhow, Jemile Weeks is not your answer at 2B.
She's also horrible on Numbers Never Lie or whatever that PTI ripoff is she's on.
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Per Roch at MASN -
Next year, they will have five different tiers of tickets for their 81 home games - six "value" games, 49 "classic", seven "select", 14 "prime" and five "elite," which will bring the highest cost. More than half the teams in the majors half have implemented this system. It's trendy.
The six value dates are April 14-16 versus the Rays and Sept. 15-17 versus the Blue Jays. The elite dates are the March 31 season opener against the Red Sox, July 12 versus the Yankees, Aug. 9 versus the Cardinals, Sept. 13 versus the Yankees and Sept. 20 versus the Red Sox.
Overall, the price of tickets for season plan holders will go up about 5 percent, the first increase since 2008 (some categories haven't increased in more than 10 years.)
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I'm okay with the prices going up. The Orioles have some of the cheapest prices of any games I've been to, and that includes Cleveland where they have 1/3 of the stadium roped off!
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I'm okay with the prices going up. The Orioles have some of the cheapest prices of any games I've been to, and that includes Cleveland where they have 1/3 of the stadium roped off!
These are season ticket prices. Other game ticket prices will be variable. Last year my tickets were 32 dollars a game and if I wanted more tickets in my section for other games they were still 32 dollars a game. Next year I won't know the price of a ticket until I buy it. They are copying how airlines sell tickets. As I have pointed elsewhere this policy has worked so well for airlines that almost every airline has gone into bankruptcy and the net profits from airlines throughout history is a negative number. So yeah good idea.
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I am getting a 13 game plan.
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That way of pricing tickets is in effect for other organizations as well.
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That way of pricing tickets is in effect for other organizations as well.
Well since other organizations are doing something really stupid we should do it as well?
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I probably wouldn't have announced an increase in ticket prices until I signed a quality free agent or made a blockbuster deal, but that's just me.
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I probably wouldn't have announced an increase in ticket prices until I signed a quality free agent or made a blockbuster deal, but that's just me.
Well what you are saying is you would never announce an increase in ticket prices?
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 59m
Two questions O's must now answer: 1. Who's the closer? 2. How could the A's--the Moneyball Athletics--afford what the Orioles could not?
I still think Billy moves him.
One thing I had overlooked on the Johnson pickup - there will be a draft pick compensation attached to him, meaning if it's July and things aren't working out for Oakland, he won't be that expensive to trade, and if they keep him, they'll get a decent draft pick compensation for him when someone overpays for him next year.
They didn't just pick up an expensive contract, they gave up nothing in Jemile Weeks for a first round draft pick too.
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 59m
Two questions O's must now answer: 1. Who's the closer? 2. How could the A's--the Moneyball Athletics--afford what the Orioles could not?
I still think Billy moves him.
One thing I had overlooked on the Johnson pickup - there will be a draft pick compensation attached to him, meaning if it's July and things aren't working out for Oakland, he won't be that expensive to trade, and if they keep him, they'll get a decent draft pick compensation for him when someone overpays for him next year.
They didn't just pick up an expensive contract, they gave up nothing in Jemile Weeks for a first round draft pick too.
They aren't getting draft pick compensation for Jim Johnson. They would have to offer 15 million to get that. No one in their right mind would do that. And no one would lose a pick to sign Johnson. Only way that could possibly if Jim converts to a starter and has a miraculous season enxt year. Jim might improve by going from a hitter park to a pitchers park but he isn't becoming a superstar.
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They aren't getting draft pick compensation for Jim Johnson. They would have to offer 15 million to get that. No one in their right mind would do that. And no one would lose a pick to sign Johnson.
39 year old Joe Nathan just got a two year deal at $10m a year. He saved 94 games in the last 3 seasons.
30 year old Jim Johnson will get a deal near that, for more years. He saved 101 games in the last 2 seasons.
I think you're making this too personal because he played for your team.
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I love how you guys assume that Jemima Weeks is nothing. He is going to prove you all so wrong this year!
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They aren't getting draft pick compensation for Jim Johnson. They would have to offer 15 million to get that. No one in their right mind would do that. And no one would lose a pick to sign Johnson.
39 year old Joe Nathan just got a two year deal at $10m a year. He saved 94 games in the last 3 seasons.
30 year old Jim Johnson will get a deal near that, for more years. He saved 101 games in the last 2 seasons.
I think you're making this too personal because he played for your team.
Well we watched him last year and he was horrible... I don't think your stats take account of the all important blown saves...
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I probably wouldn't have announced an increase in ticket prices until I signed a quality free agent or made a blockbuster deal, but that's just me.
Like those quality free agents your Angels have been signing?
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Well we watched him last year and he was horrible... I don't think your stats take account of the all important blown saves...
Yes, he blew 9 saves, but he also was taxed more than any other closer in baseball, and 6 of his 9 blown saves were in your shoebox of a ballpark. He'll love Oakland's cavernous outfield and all the extra foul territory.
The Orioles had by far the most save opportunities in baseball (84) and were second the year before that (73). You can blame the pitcher all you want, but at some point your offense has to score enough runs so your closer isn't overworked. That didn't happen in Baltimore. The only reason why Johnson won't lead the league in saves next year is because he'll have 15 less chances in Oakland.
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Like those quality free agents your Angels have been signing?
The quality doesn't concern me, but the duration of at least one of them does. Simply put, the guys haven't performed in the first few years of their deals, which nobody could have predicted. It was supposed to be 2016 and on that the team was in trouble...
Until this season, the trades have been much more damaging to the Angels than the free agent signings. I really like what they got for Trumbo, though I'm not yet sold on Freese.
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Just going to trust Dan...
Will miss JJ.
Allow me to use the Chicago White Sox as a perfect example of how to handle a closer you have no intention of paying top dollar for and get a quality player under control in return:
Addison Reed to the Diamnodbacks (http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/10147639/addison-reed-chicago-white-sox-traded-arizona-diamondbacks-matt-davidson)
The White Sox (1) filled a hole at third with a prospect who has six years of control left (2) and dealt a closer with good numbers BEFORE he becomes expensive in arbitration.
Either keep him and pay him or deal him for something useful. What the O's did was the absolute worst option.
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The time to deal him was at the deadline last year. But they were still in the race (or so they thought) and needed to keep him closing. Looking back that was the wrong decision.
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The time to deal him was at the deadline last year.
Yep.
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Ken Rosenthal tweets that the Yankees are likely to sign Brian Roberts to replace Cano:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/412809051710697472?screen_name=Ken_Rosenthal