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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: hutch on April 10, 2013, 03:29:07 pm
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of beer prices
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11892342/10/10-highest-beer-prices-in-major-league-baseball.html
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Don't know if they're doing it this year, but last year they had really cheap beer before the game started. Thought that was cool.
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Ten bucks says Dan Snyder is reading this article very carefully.
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I don't know why the Orioles aren't on that list. I think the cheapest beer is 8 bucks. They might have bigger sized beer though. I drank Leffe Blonde the other game and they were 8 bucks for a small draft.
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8 bucks for a stella can which is one and a half beers.
But, I try to avoid the beers at Camden Yards. They are very expensive!
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And their drafts are 16 ounces. Looks like most of these are the same price for 12.
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And their drafts are 16 ounces. Looks like most of these are the same price for 12.
I think Camden Yards has a decent selection. I did drink a 24 oz can of bud light for 8 bucks because I was in the middle of a row on Sunday and didn't want to disturb everyone again so I could get a decent beer. They have Hoegarden, Lefffe, Stella, Flying Dog, Guiness, Smithicks, Harp, Goose Island, Fordham, Heavy Seas. I think they might have Magic Hat but I am not sure.
Compare that to the cubs were you get some nonsense called Old Style and only Old Style.
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Can't wait for Bluejacket to open. Going to my first game of the season tomorrow night, think they have half price drafts at Belga Cafe. No need to buy a beer at the park.
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Don't know about the prices, but seems like Philly is the winner for bottle options.
http://chocolatecoveredmemories.com/Phillies-Beer-Spreadsheet.pdf
Seems strange that they'd let them have cretinous Phillies fans have access to glass bottles.
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I don't know why the Orioles aren't on that list. I think the cheapest beer is 8 bucks. They might have bigger sized beer though.
Incorrect. Baltimore has a $6.75 16 oz. beer somewhere in the park. The difficulty can be finding it.
Anaheim has a $4.50 beer 16 oz. beer, and I know exactly where it is. Even then, Arte Moreno has made $5 beer available all over the stadium.
http://www.fancostexperience.com/pages/fcx/blog_pdfs/entry0000021_pdf003.pdf
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Don't know if they're doing it this year, but last year they had really cheap beer before the game started. Thought that was cool.
If you go to the Miller Lite beer walk or whatever it is, the beers are $5 before first pitch.
Nats Park has a good selection of beer, but they're spread all over the place. Kind of a pain.
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Don't know if they're doing it this year, but last year they had really cheap beer before the game started. Thought that was cool.
If you go to the Miller Lite beer walk or whatever it is, the beers are $5 before first pitch.
Nats Park has a good selection of beer, but they're spread all over the place. Kind of a pain.
Before the first pitch is meaningless. I can go to Pickles and get beer for 2 bucks before the first pitch at Camden Yards.
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Don't know if they're doing it this year, but last year they had really cheap beer before the game started. Thought that was cool.
If you go to the Miller Lite beer walk or whatever it is, the beers are $5 before first pitch.
Nats Park has a good selection of beer, but they're spread all over the place. Kind of a pain.
Before the first pitch is meaningless. I can go to Pickles and get beer for 2 bucks before the first pitch at Camden Yards.
Yes, at Camden Yards. We didn't know where to go before the Nationals Game, and wanted to walk around the stadium, so it was nice that the Nats had those cheap prices (and Miller High Life!)
Pickles is my favorite pre-drink place before the Orioles...
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Nats Park has a good selection of beer, but they're spread all over the place. Kind of a pain.
I disagree.
Only hoppy options I've seen are Raging Bitch bottles ($9) and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale drafts, both of which are tough to find.
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I agree with your disagreement.
They had Dogfish Indian Brown and maybe Dogfish 60 in the Red Porch area last year. Are they not available this year?
And wow, you can get a six pack of Raging Bitch for less than $9 at Total Wine. I guess the alcoholics who need a beer at a ballgame are the ones who will help pay Dan Haren's salary.
Nats Park has a good selection of beer, but they're spread all over the place. Kind of a pain.
I disagree.
Only hoppy options I've seen are Raging Bitch bottles ($9) and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale drafts, both of which are tough to find.
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Yes you can, but nothing beats a beer at a ballgame. You just don't need 5 of them there.
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Don't know if they're doing it this year, but last year they had really cheap beer before the game started. Thought that was cool.
If you go to the Miller Lite beer walk or whatever it is, the beers are $5 before first pitch.
Nats Park has a good selection of beer, but they're spread all over the place. Kind of a pain.
Before the first pitch is meaningless. I can go to Pickles and get beer for 2 bucks before the first pitch at Camden Yards.
I'm talking about Nats Park, you dunce.
Here's a list of some of them. I saw an article the other day that had all of the ones in the park and where to find them.... If I can find it again I'll link...
http://dc.thedrinknation.com/articles/read/10350-Nats-Brew-Craft-Beer-Options-at-Nationals-Park
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That's pretty slim pickens considering you have a potential customer base of 40,000 people a night. Then again your typical baseball fan is probably a Bud Light or Sol drinker, right?
Don't know if they're doing it this year, but last year they had really cheap beer before the game started. Thought that was cool.
If you go to the Miller Lite beer walk or whatever it is, the beers are $5 before first pitch.
Nats Park has a good selection of beer, but they're spread all over the place. Kind of a pain.
Before the first pitch is meaningless. I can go to Pickles and get beer for 2 bucks before the first pitch at Camden Yards.
I'm talking about Nats Park, you dunce.
Here's a list of some of them. I saw an article the other day that had all of the ones in the park and where to find them.... If I can find it again I'll link...
http://dc.thedrinknation.com/articles/read/10350-Nats-Brew-Craft-Beer-Options-at-Nationals-Park
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Yes you can, but nothing beats a beer at a ballgame. You just don't need 5 of them there.
I do enjoy 4 or 5 beers at the ball park. I think 8 bucks for a quality beer at a game is more of a deal than going to some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
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the markup on bud light is even more than RB.
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i enjoy a couple brews at most nats games i go to. $9 isn't great, but this is a city that average $6-$7 per draft, plus tip. and seems like they are doing a good job with keeping the selection interesting - flying dog, brooklyn, sierra nevada, dfh, etc.
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Sounds like you should do advance research on Beer Advocate. If you find something that's 95 or above, it's going to be good.
some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
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Sounds like you should do advance research on Beer Advocate. If you find something that's 95 or above, it's going to be good.
some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
I read that if a beer isn't a super hoppy IPA it will get bad reviews on Beer Advocate.
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You've been misinformed.
http://beeradvocate.com/lists/top
Of the top 250 beers, only 67 are IPA's. So that's (at least) 183 non-IPA's that rate a 99 or above.
Sounds like you should do advance research on Beer Advocate. If you find something that's 95 or above, it's going to be good.
some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
I read that if a beer isn't a super hoppy IPA it will get bad reviews on Beer Advocate.
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Yes you can, but nothing beats a beer at a ballgame. You just don't need 5 of them there.
I do enjoy 4 or 5 beers at the ball park. I think 8 bucks for a quality beer at a game is more of a deal than going to some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
Frisco Tap House lets you try the beer before you buy it.
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That's pretty slim pickens considering you have a potential customer base of 40,000 people a night. Then again your typical baseball fan is probably a Bud Light or Sol drinker, right?
Don't know if they're doing it this year, but last year they had really cheap beer before the game started. Thought that was cool.
If you go to the Miller Lite beer walk or whatever it is, the beers are $5 before first pitch.
Nats Park has a good selection of beer, but they're spread all over the place. Kind of a pain.
Before the first pitch is meaningless. I can go to Pickles and get beer for 2 bucks before the first pitch at Camden Yards.
I'm talking about Nats Park, you dunce.
Here's a list of some of them. I saw an article the other day that had all of the ones in the park and where to find them.... If I can find it again I'll link...
http://dc.thedrinknation.com/articles/read/10350-Nats-Brew-Craft-Beer-Options-at-Nationals-Park
Blergh here's the original post I was reading with a couple more options:
http://www.dcbeer.com/news/home-run-double-strikeout-craft-beer-guide-nationals-stadium
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You've been misinformed.
http://beeradvocate.com/lists/top
Of the top 250 beers, only 67 are IPA's. So that's (at least) 183 non-IPA's that rate a 99 or above.
Sounds like you should do advance research on Beer Advocate. If you find something that's 95 or above, it's going to be good.
some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
I read that if a beer isn't a super hoppy IPA it will get bad reviews on Beer Advocate.
YOu don't think 67 out of 250 for one beer type isn't kind of weird. By comparison they only have 2 Pilsners. No Marzens. They have a ton of Imperial Stouts. I think you have to find out what you like by tasting it. I just saw some discussion on there about how they have a friend who usually has good taste in beer but thinks Guiness is the best stout. And then you have a ton of replies saying how bad Guiness tastes. Typical pretenious stuff it is kind of pathetic really.
Well Guiness is by far my favorite stout. Most Stouts are god-awful.
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Yes you can, but nothing beats a beer at a ballgame. You just don't need 5 of them there.
I do enjoy 4 or 5 beers at the ball park. I think 8 bucks for a quality beer at a game is more of a deal than going to some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
Frisco Tap House lets you try the beer before you buy it.
Oh I didn't know that. I don't really like that place as they don't have a beer menu. I don't like to get on my phone at a bar and have to load all that stuff. Just print up a beer menu. I will say the people that work there are friendly.
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Yes you can, but nothing beats a beer at a ballgame. You just don't need 5 of them there.
I do enjoy 4 or 5 beers at the ball park. I think 8 bucks for a quality beer at a game is more of a deal than going to some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
Frisco Tap House lets you try the beer before you buy it.
Oh I didn't know that. I don't really like that place as they don't have a beer menu. I don't like to get on my phone at a bar and have to load all that stuff. Just print up a beer menu. I will say the people that work there are friendly.
They don't have a paper beer menu because it changes so often. It's printed for you at the bar. Not a big deal to walk up there and check it out. And if you're too lazy for that, the servers will always make a good suggestion.
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Yes you can, but nothing beats a beer at a ballgame. You just don't need 5 of them there.
I do enjoy 4 or 5 beers at the ball park. I think 8 bucks for a quality beer at a game is more of a deal than going to some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
Frisco Tap House lets you try the beer before you buy it.
Oh I didn't know that. I don't really like that place as they don't have a beer menu. I don't like to get on my phone at a bar and have to load all that stuff. Just print up a beer menu. I will say the people that work there are friendly.
They don't have a paper beer menu because it changes so often. It's printed for you at the bar. Not a big deal to walk up there and check it out. And if you're too lazy for that, the servers will always make a good suggestion.
I am not too lazy. Other places can print it out. Max's prints them out. I don't feel like going up to the bar when they could just print it out. Anyway I hate Columbia.
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I bet there are far and away more IPA's than pilsners or marzens by American breweries.
There may still be a dispportionate amount of IPA's, but there's still over 70% of the list that is not an IPA.
Beer geeks putting down Guinness is like indie music fans putting down Train or Maroon 5. But if they like stouts and you don't, isn't their opinion perhaps more valuable than yours?
What stouts have you had other than Guinness?
It doesn't surprise me that someone who doesn't like stouts would say that Guinness is their favorite stout.
You've been misinformed.
http://beeradvocate.com/lists/top
Of the top 250 beers, only 67 are IPA's. So that's (at least) 183 non-IPA's that rate a 99 or above.
Sounds like you should do advance research on Beer Advocate. If you find something that's 95 or above, it's going to be good.
some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
I read that if a beer isn't a super hoppy IPA it will get bad reviews on Beer Advocate.
YOu don't think 67 out of 250 for one beer type isn't kind of weird. By comparison they only have 2 Pilsners. No Marzens. They have a ton of Imperial Stouts. I think you have to find out what you like by tasting it. I just saw some discussion on there about how they have a friend who usually has good taste in beer but thinks Guiness is the best stout. And then you have a ton of replies saying how bad Guiness tastes. Typical pretenious stuff it is kind of pathetic really.
Well Guiness is by far my favorite stout. Most Stouts are god-awful.
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I bet there are far and away more IPA's than pilsners or marzens by American breweries.
There may still be a dispportionate amount of IPA's, but there's still over 70% of the list that is not an IPA.
Beer geeks putting down Guinness is like indie music fans putting down Train or Maroon 5. But if they like stouts and you don't, isn't their opinion perhaps more valuable than yours?
What stouts have you had other than Guinness?
It doesn't surprise me that someone who doesn't like stouts would say that Guinness is their favorite stout.
You've been misinformed.
http://beeradvocate.com/lists/top
Of the top 250 beers, only 67 are IPA's. So that's (at least) 183 non-IPA's that rate a 99 or above.
Sounds like you should do advance research on Beer Advocate. If you find something that's 95 or above, it's going to be good.
some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
I read that if a beer isn't a super hoppy IPA it will get bad reviews on Beer Advocate.
YOu don't think 67 out of 250 for one beer type isn't kind of weird. By comparison they only have 2 Pilsners. No Marzens. They have a ton of Imperial Stouts. I think you have to find out what you like by tasting it. I just saw some discussion on there about how they have a friend who usually has good taste in beer but thinks Guiness is the best stout. And then you have a ton of replies saying how bad Guiness tastes. Typical pretenious stuff it is kind of pathetic really.
Well Guiness is by far my favorite stout. Most Stouts are god-awful.
I have had a ton of stouts but I don't remember their names as I don't like them. I do like Samuel Smiths Stouts. No Guiness is not like train or maroon 5. It is like the Beatles. And how is their opinion more valuable than mine. Perhaps the reason almost every decent bar has Guiness on tap is because it has actually perfected the genre. And why would I want the opinion of someone who doesn't like Guiness if I like Guiness?
I would think more Pilsner is sold than IPA's in this country. I would think IPA's market share in the US is miniscule. I would say Lagers outsell Ale's dramatically in this country. How many Lagers are on the Beer Advocate top 250?
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You really are pretty fucking clueless aren't you? Come one, just admit it. Start reading more about the craft beer scene and learn some things. You're as ignorant as I was 10 years ago.
If someone is a fan of something, it's probably going to make their opinion more informed and thus valid that someone who is not a fan of something.
Every bar had Guinness on draft because Guinness has perfected the genre? Has Budweiser perfected the lager genre?
Have you had any stouts by AMERICAN breweries? Any imperial stouts?
More pilsner beer might be sold in America, but i can guarantee you there are more IPA's produced in America. Practically every craft brewery that opens makes an IPA, much fewer make a pilsner.
I bet there are far and away more IPA's than pilsners or marzens by American breweries.
There may still be a dispportionate amount of IPA's, but there's still over 70% of the list that is not an IPA.
Beer geeks putting down Guinness is like indie music fans putting down Train or Maroon 5. But if they like stouts and you don't, isn't their opinion perhaps more valuable than yours?
What stouts have you had other than Guinness?
It doesn't surprise me that someone who doesn't like stouts would say that Guinness is their favorite stout.
You've been misinformed.
http://beeradvocate.com/lists/top
Of the top 250 beers, only 67 are IPA's. So that's (at least) 183 non-IPA's that rate a 99 or above.
Sounds like you should do advance research on Beer Advocate. If you find something that's 95 or above, it's going to be good.
some place like Frisco tap house and paying the same to try a beer that might not end up tasting all that good.
I read that if a beer isn't a super hoppy IPA it will get bad reviews on Beer Advocate.
YOu don't think 67 out of 250 for one beer type isn't kind of weird. By comparison they only have 2 Pilsners. No Marzens. They have a ton of Imperial Stouts. I think you have to find out what you like by tasting it. I just saw some discussion on there about how they have a friend who usually has good taste in beer but thinks Guiness is the best stout. And then you have a ton of replies saying how bad Guiness tastes. Typical pretenious stuff it is kind of pathetic really.
Well Guiness is by far my favorite stout. Most Stouts are god-awful.
I have had a ton of stouts but I don't remember their names as I don't like them. I do like Samuel Smiths Stouts. No Guiness is not like train or maroon 5. It is like the Beatles. And how is their opinion more valuable than mine. Perhaps the reason almost every decent bar has Guiness on tap is because it has actually perfected the genre. And why would I want the opinion of someone who doesn't like Guiness if I like Guiness?
I would think more Pilsner is sold than IPA's in this country. I would think IPA's market share in the US is miniscule. I would say Lagers outsell Ale's dramatically in this country. How many Lagers are on the Beer Advocate top 250?
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James Ford you are so darn predictable.. everything you do is about the "rating" be it beer or music.. how about you decide for yourself what you like instead of going by the so called "experts" opinion?
Its very easy to like what you're told you should like.. it takes some guts to actually like what you like...
This may all be a foreign concept for you but life is about marching to the beat of your own drummer.
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You sound like a spokesperson for the Tea Party putting down the educated liberal elites.
Or one of those old school scouts in Moneyball.
Aggregated data doesn't lie.
James Ford you are so darn predictable.. everything you do is about the "rating" be it beer or music.. how about you decide for yourself what you like instead of going by the so called "experts" opinion?
Its very easy to like what you're told you should like.. it takes some guts to actually like what you like...
This may all be a foreign concept for you but life is about marching to the beat of your own drummer.
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The reason small craft breweries make Ales and not Lagers is very simple. It is a hell of a lot cheaper. To make a lager you need cooling equipment. It takes longer to make a Lager. IPA's are simple beers to make. You can cover up everything you did wrong in the fermentation process with the overpowering flavor of the hops.
Also it is easy to convince someone in America that an IPA is cool. As most Americans are used to flavorless lagers that havd adjuncts like corn and rice. So you give them something in the opposite direction and they think that is what they should be drinking.
As for the quality of beer. There are a ton of German Lagers that are probably better than most of the stuff on the Beer Advocate list. I don't like IPA's in general. It is the same as I don't like going to a restaurant and only being able to taste salt. I want to taste my beers flavors. Not just the hops.
I hope to become an expert on beer making. I am just a novice. Making stuff from recipe kits. I am currently making a Kolsch from a kit using German Ale yeast. It is cool how there is all this different yeast and hops and malts and so many options on types of beers to make. I hope to become an expert on beer like some of the other people on here who make their own beer. And hopefully I can make a lot of beer that I love.
But if someone gives Guiness a bad rating I know I won't use them as a reference. As either we have disimilar taste or they are just attacking whomever is on top.
And I don't know why he got into this big argument when I said 8 bucks wasn't that bad to pay for craft beer at a ball game.
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IPA's are cheaper to make. I dunno if that helps anything.
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You sound like a spokesperson for the Tea Party putting down the educated liberal elites.
Or one of those old school scouts in Moneyball.
Aggregated data doesn't lie.
James Ford you are so darn predictable.. everything you do is about the "rating" be it beer or music.. how about you decide for yourself what you like instead of going by the so called "experts" opinion?
Its very easy to like what you're told you should like.. it takes some guts to actually like what you like...
This may all be a foreign concept for you but life is about marching to the beat of your own drummer.
you're a fool... you're essentially saying that aggregated data tells you what you SHOULD like..
that's beyond silly... aggregated data has no way of accounting for your personal taste... or how your personal taste was shaped..of course in your case you have no personal taste..... why do you ever offer an opinion on anything if its only to regurgitate the latest beer rating or music ratings?
but its clear- from years of following your posts- that in everything you do you basically look to be told what to do...sad.
if a new album comes out and the critics like it well then by golly you should like it.. if there's a new beer and it gets a high rating then by golly you are going to be drinking it and LIKING it....
weak dude. very weak.
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and if you cared to look at the actual data you'd see that for all the moneyball hype that moneyball class didn't do that well in the end..
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No shit. If someone came on here and was talking about how some drone-noise band got a high metacritic score, Ford would be all "Why do you need outside validation to bolster your opinions? Why can't you just like what you like? I would never let someone tell me what I like. I'd rather spend that time being a good dad to my daughter."
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IPA's are cheaper to make. I dunno if that helps anything.
generally speaking IPAs are cheaper to make than lagers, because of the aforementioned need to cool and age lagers (ales can be turned around faster). but among ales, IPAs are the typically the most expensive to make because of the ridiculous amount of hops required. not only are hops expensive, but using a high amount means that a lot of beer is lost in the process because beer is soaked up by the hops, and never makes it into the bottle. this in part explains why ultra-hoppy IPAs are more expensive.
HOWEVER, when it comes to the mega-brewers (BMCs), they can make lagers cheaper than anyone can make an IPA or any other ale. they get such high extraction (efficiency) from their grains and have the process down to such a science, plus the sheer economies of scale at their disposal, adds up to a cost of production that is lower than any craft brewery. none of the big boys make an IPA.
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Spent a week in Bavaria last year drinking German beers that were indeed far and away better than their American imitations. Then spend a week in Belgium and Holland drinking beers that buried their German counterparts. Then came home to America and tried Heady Topper and Zombie Dust and realized I could be happy with those two and never drinking another German beer as long as I live.
Kudos to you for your homebrewing! I strongly suspect that within three years:
1. you will Be xplaining to me why the various hops combinations used in typical west coast ipa's make them taste so much different than a typical east coast ipa, though you'll find them both tasty.
2. Guinness won't be your favorite stout.
3. You won't give a flying fuck about German pilsners.
The reason small craft breweries make Ales and not Lagers is very simple. It is a hell of a lot cheaper. To make a lager you need cooling equipment. It takes longer to make a Lager. IPA's are simple beers to make. You can cover up everything you did wrong in the fermentation process with the overpowering flavor of the hops.
Also it is easy to convince someone in America that an IPA is cool. As most Americans are used to flavorless lagers that havd adjuncts like corn and rice. So you give them something in the opposite direction and they think that is what they should be drinking.
As for the quality of beer. There are a ton of German Lagers that are probably better than most of the stuff on the Beer Advocate list. I don't like IPA's in general. It is the same as I don't like going to a restaurant and only being able to taste salt. I want to taste my beers flavors. Not just the hops.
I hope to become an expert on beer making. I am just a novice. Making stuff from recipe kits. I am currently making a Kolsch from a kit using German Ale yeast. It is cool how there is all this different yeast and hops and malts and so many options on types of beers to make. I hope to become an expert on beer like some of the other people on here who make their own beer. And hopefully I can make a lot of beer that I love.
But if someone gives Guiness a bad rating I know I won't use them as a reference. As either we have disimilar taste or they are just attacking whomever is on top.
And I don't know why he got into this big argument when I said 8 bucks wasn't that bad to pay for craft beer at a ball game.
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Which would probably explain why there are so damn many of them and hence why over 25% of the top 250 beers on BA are ipa's.
All I was saying was that the reason why there are so many highly rated ipa's is because everybody makes them. Most breweries don't put out a pilsner, or a biere de garde, or a saison, or a marzen, etc...hence there are not that many of those in the top 250.
Except according to Sweetcell, they're not that cheap. Even still, they are made in abundance.
IPA's are cheaper to make. I dunno if that helps anything.
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Which would probably explain why there are so damn many of them and hence why over 25% of the top 250 beers on BA are ipa's.
All I was saying was that the reason why there are so many highly rated ipa's is because everybody makes them. Most breweries don't put out a pilsner, or a biere de garde, or a saison, or a marzen, etc...hence there are not that many of those in the top 250.
Except according to Sweetcell, they're not that cheap. Even still, they are made in abundance.
IPA's are cheaper to make. I dunno if that helps anything.
I think if I buy beer for home consumption it will be German Beers. I appreciate the purity laws and I have no idea what other people are putting in their beers.
As for IPA's it will never be a favorite of mine. I don't like that much Hops. And it is cheaper for small breweries to make IPA's than Lagers. It might take more hops but the set-up costs to make lagers is very high. American Mass-produced Lagers are cheaper mostly because they use cheap ingredients including corn and rice fillers.
The costs aren't even close for a small brewery:
"For a craft brewery to produce 10,000 barrels of beer, it would cost £150,000. Ten thousand barrels of lager would cost £1million,? he says, as he leads me around Meantime?s brewery on a south London industrial estate. The brewery is currently being expanded to meet demand."
http://metro.co.uk/2012/03/06/brew-haha-why-british-breweries-are-turning-their-attention-to-lager-342132/ (http://metro.co.uk/2012/03/06/brew-haha-why-british-breweries-are-turning-their-attention-to-lager-342132/)
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Spent a week in Bavaria last year drinking German beers that were indeed far and away better than their American imitations. Then spend a week in Belgium and Holland drinking beers that buried their German counterparts. Then came home to America and tried Heady Topper and Zombie Dust and realized I could be happy with those two and never drinking another German beer as long as I live.
Kudos to you for your homebrewing! I strongly suspect that within three years:
1. you will Be xplaining to me why the various hops combinations used in typical west coast ipa's make them taste so much different than a typical east coast ipa, though you'll find them both tasty.
2. Guinness won't be your favorite stout.
3. You won't give a flying fuck about German pilsners.
The reason small craft breweries make Ales and not Lagers is very simple. It is a hell of a lot cheaper. To make a lager you need cooling equipment. It takes longer to make a Lager. IPA's are simple beers to make. You can cover up everything you did wrong in the fermentation process with the overpowering flavor of the hops.
Also it is easy to convince someone in America that an IPA is cool. As most Americans are used to flavorless lagers that havd adjuncts like corn and rice. So you give them something in the opposite direction and they think that is what they should be drinking.
As for the quality of beer. There are a ton of German Lagers that are probably better than most of the stuff on the Beer Advocate list. I don't like IPA's in general. It is the same as I don't like going to a restaurant and only being able to taste salt. I want to taste my beers flavors. Not just the hops.
I hope to become an expert on beer making. I am just a novice. Making stuff from recipe kits. I am currently making a Kolsch from a kit using German Ale yeast. It is cool how there is all this different yeast and hops and malts and so many options on types of beers to make. I hope to become an expert on beer like some of the other people on here who make their own beer. And hopefully I can make a lot of beer that I love.
But if someone gives Guiness a bad rating I know I won't use them as a reference. As either we have disimilar taste or they are just attacking whomever is on top.
And I don't know why he got into this big argument when I said 8 bucks wasn't that bad to pay for craft beer at a ball game.
I love German pilsners. I hate IPAs. Never got the appeal of Guinness.
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Even still, they are made in abundance.
IPAs are being made in abundance because that's what people are buying. if tastes shifted tomorrow towards another style, brewers would be making those instead.
people get into craft beer because they want flavor and one of the strongest tasting beers you can get is a hoppy IPA. hence their popularity, IMO.
I think if I buy beer for home consumption it will be German Beers. I appreciate the purity laws and I have no idea what other people are putting in their beers.
that's a false fear, IMO. the big megabrewers are the only ones you need to worry about what goes in their products. you know that blue moon that you like? it wouldn't pass the Reinheitsgebot (german purity law) because they add orange peel and coriander. hell, even wheat isn't allowed so hefeweizens aren't compliant. shows how stupid and anachronistic that "law" is. it made sense back in the 1500's because people were putting sh*t in beer that was unhealthy or deadly. today's it strikes me as something that people get all unnecessarily amped up about. "look at me, i comply with the purity law!!!!". who cares. anyone who refuses to brew with ingredients like oatmeal, rye or honey just because of some german's lack of science 600 years ago is an idiot.
As for IPA's it will never be a favorite of mine. I don't like that much Hops.
james ford did unto me as i am about to do unto you, so remember this: you will eat these words in a year or two. your tolerance and craving for hops will happen. it's inevitable. vinnie chilurzo, from russian river, coined the term "lupulin threshold shift" (see page 4 (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf) of this PDF).
And it is cheaper for small breweries to make IPA's than Lagers. It might take more hops but the set-up costs to make lagers is very high. American Mass-produced Lagers are cheaper mostly because they use cheap ingredients including corn and rice fillers.
The costs aren't even close for a small brewery:
"For a craft brewery to produce 10,000 barrels of beer, it would cost £150,000. Ten thousand barrels of lager would cost £1million,? he says, as he leads me around Meantime?s brewery on a south London industrial estate. The brewery is currently being expanded to meet demand."
the problem with that last quote is that he's mixing fixed and variable costs. that brewery is already set up for ales, so making an IPA only involves cost of ingredients (which are higher than lagers' ingredients). it would cost him a million to make the same amount of lager, because he needs to spend 900,000 on new equipment. that quote, out of context, could lead someone to believe that it costs almost 7 times more to brew a lager. that simply isn't true, if only because he hasn't included his fixed costs to make ale.
it all depends what you invest in - $600k up-front to make more expensive per-barrel ales, or $900k to make cheaper per-barrel lagers. and when you're talking fixed vs. variable, you need to take into consideration what time period are you looking at. (numbers made up for illustrative purposes, and some gross generalizations were made... you can make a cheap cream ale and a very expensive dopplebock lager)
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I disagree with hops and flavors. All you taste is the bitterness of the hops and all you smell is the aroma of the hops. It overrides all the other flavors in beer. If I go up to Maine and have a blueberry ale I can taste the malt and I can taste the fruit. I can smell the aromas that the yeast put off. IPA's are a fad. It will switch to something else. I don't care about fads when drinking beer.
People like the taste of different thiings. I started drinking IPA's and I liked them at first but then I got bored with them. I doubt I will go back to them.
Everyone has enviromental and genetic reasons for liking things. Our sense of smell and our sense of taste differ. I lived in Bavaria as a child and I had a Bavarian Mother and my family had cases of beer delivered to the house weekly from the local brewery. And I sipped the beer from time to time. I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
And live is too short to drink only one type of beer.
And hefeweizens are complient. I had two different hefeweizen's last night and both said they complied with the German purity law. It was modified at sometime to allow wheat beers.
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I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
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Totally agree with you on that one. If my wife had her way, we'd only drink hoppy IPA's. She doesn't get her way all the time, so instead our stash is filled with more styles than I have time to type here. No pilsners though. ;D
I love it that my favorite style of German beer (weizenbock) is an ale.
And this thread should somehow be merged with the beer thread.
And live is too short to drink only one type of beer.
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Totally agree with you on that one. If my wife had her way, we'd only drink hoppy IPA's. She doesn't get her way all the time, so instead our stash is filled with more styles than I have time to type here. No pilsners though. ;D
I love it that my favorite style of German beer (weizenbock) is an ale.
And this thread should somehow be merged with the beer thread.
And live is too short to drink only one type of beer.
definetly! IPAs aren't the only beers that get high ratings!
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Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
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Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
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My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
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My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
so what? so you felt gratified she got good ratings and kept buying her stuff? so it confirmed to you that she was good?
I'm not keeping "tabs" on you dude.. but I been on this board a few years now and nobody resorts to dropping ratings more than you.. be it beer or music... and thats fine... but it means you live by other people's opinions and that is sad.
to say "the aggregate data don't lie" as you did is poppycock....
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What exactly is wrong with saying:
"I like this album or beer, and you should too. Look at how much/many other critics/craft beer drinkers like it too."
or
"I think that sucks, and look the critics/other beer drinkers seem to agree with me."
when you're writing to an audience of internet strangers?
My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
so what? so you felt gratified she got good ratings and kept buying her stuff? so it confirmed to you that she was good?
I'm not keeping "tabs" on you dude.. but I been on this board a few years now and nobody resorts to dropping ratings more than you.. be it beer or music... and thats fine... but it means you live by other people's opinions and that is sad.
to say "the aggregate data don't lie" as you did is poppycock....
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What exactly is wrong with saying:
"I like this album or beer, and you should too. Look at how much/many other critics/craft beer drinkers like it too."
or
"I think that sucks, and look the critics/other beer drinkers seem to agree with me."
when you're writing to an audience of internet strangers?
My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
so what? so you felt gratified she got good ratings and kept buying her stuff? so it confirmed to you that she was good?
I'm not keeping "tabs" on you dude.. but I been on this board a few years now and nobody resorts to dropping ratings more than you.. be it beer or music... and thats fine... but it means you live by other people's opinions and that is sad.
to say "the aggregate data don't lie" as you did is poppycock....
seriously? you're going to keep arguing about this?
the problem is you're really only interested in trying stuff out if the critics like it.. and then to top it off you tell us they must be right... the aggregate data don't lie..
stop paying so much attention to what others say and just pay attention to what you think.
i know your type man...."OH the reviewers are going ape-shit over this album.. i must listen to it!"
weak.
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What exactly is wrong with saying:
"I like this album or beer, and you should too. Look at how much/many other critics/craft beer drinkers like it too."
or
"I think that sucks, and look the critics/other beer drinkers seem to agree with me."
when you're writing to an audience of internet strangers?
My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
so what? so you felt gratified she got good ratings and kept buying her stuff? so it confirmed to you that she was good?
I'm not keeping "tabs" on you dude.. but I been on this board a few years now and nobody resorts to dropping ratings more than you.. be it beer or music... and thats fine... but it means you live by other people's opinions and that is sad.
to say "the aggregate data don't lie" as you did is poppycock....
Why do I care what other people I don't know like in beer or music. If we went by that we would drink bud light. As it is liked by so many more people than the guys who post on beer advocate like. Same with music I don't care how many people like a band. So I should listen to Jay-z because everyone else does?
I like what I enjoy. Post what you enjoy and if I like some of the beers you like than I might try some I know. But if you are basing your beer tastes on what Beer Advocate states why even post anything. I could go to Beer Advocate directly.
Like David Lee Roth said most music critics like Elvis Costello because most music critics look like Elvis Costello.
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When you go to Max's and see a list of 100 beers on draft, how are you going to find the four or five that are likely to be the real gems?
If you want to drink all 100 beers to see which ones are the best, go right ahead. I'm going to use the internet to help me whittle the selection down and make my choice from there.
What exactly is wrong with saying:
"I like this album or beer, and you should too. Look at how much/many other critics/craft beer drinkers like it too."
or
"I think that sucks, and look the critics/other beer drinkers seem to agree with me."
when you're writing to an audience of internet strangers?
My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
so what? so you felt gratified she got good ratings and kept buying her stuff? so it confirmed to you that she was good?
I'm not keeping "tabs" on you dude.. but I been on this board a few years now and nobody resorts to dropping ratings more than you.. be it beer or music... and thats fine... but it means you live by other people's opinions and that is sad.
to say "the aggregate data don't lie" as you did is poppycock....
Why do I care what other people I don't know like in beer or music. If we went by that we would drink bud light. As it is liked by so many more people than the guys who post on beer advocate like. Same with music I don't care how many people like a band. So I should listen to Jay-z because everyone else does?
I like what I enjoy. Post what you enjoy and if I like some of the beers you like than I might try some I know. But if you are basing your beer tastes on what Beer Advocate states why even post anything. I could go to Beer Advocate directly.
Like David Lee Roth said most music critics like Elvis Costello because most music critics look like Elvis Costello.
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When you go to Max's and see a list of 100 beers on draft, how are you going to find the four or five that are likely to be the real gems?
If you want to drink all 100 beers to see which ones are the best, go right ahead. I'm going to use the internet to help me whittle the selection down and make my choice from there.
What exactly is wrong with saying:
"I like this album or beer, and you should too. Look at how much/many other critics/craft beer drinkers like it too."
or
"I think that sucks, and look the critics/other beer drinkers seem to agree with me."
when you're writing to an audience of internet strangers?
My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
so what? so you felt gratified she got good ratings and kept buying her stuff? so it confirmed to you that she was good?
I'm not keeping "tabs" on you dude.. but I been on this board a few years now and nobody resorts to dropping ratings more than you.. be it beer or music... and thats fine... but it means you live by other people's opinions and that is sad.
to say "the aggregate data don't lie" as you did is poppycock....
Why do I care what other people I don't know like in beer or music. If we went by that we would drink bud light. As it is liked by so many more people than the guys who post on beer advocate like. Same with music I don't care how many people like a band. So I should listen to Jay-z because everyone else does?
I like what I enjoy. Post what you enjoy and if I like some of the beers you like than I might try some I know. But if you are basing your beer tastes on what Beer Advocate states why even post anything. I could go to Beer Advocate directly.
Like David Lee Roth said most music critics like Elvis Costello because most music critics look like Elvis Costello.
wrong. you dont' use the internet to whittle down your choice. .. you use it to VALIDATE your choice and walk around feeling superior about it...
its poor dude.
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im not sure what is worse . . . this arguement, or the fact that it is taking place in this thread. or in fact, this thread.
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When you go to Max's and see a list of 100 beers on draft, how are you going to find the four or five that are likely to be the real gems?
If you want to drink all 100 beers to see which ones are the best, go right ahead. I'm going to use the internet to help me whittle the selection down and make my choice from there.
What exactly is wrong with saying:
"I like this album or beer, and you should too. Look at how much/many other critics/craft beer drinkers like it too."
or
"I think that sucks, and look the critics/other beer drinkers seem to agree with me."
when you're writing to an audience of internet strangers?
My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
so what? so you felt gratified she got good ratings and kept buying her stuff? so it confirmed to you that she was good?
I'm not keeping "tabs" on you dude.. but I been on this board a few years now and nobody resorts to dropping ratings more than you.. be it beer or music... and thats fine... but it means you live by other people's opinions and that is sad.
to say "the aggregate data don't lie" as you did is poppycock....
Why do I care what other people I don't know like in beer or music. If we went by that we would drink bud light. As it is liked by so many more people than the guys who post on beer advocate like. Same with music I don't care how many people like a band. So I should listen to Jay-z because everyone else does?
I like what I enjoy. Post what you enjoy and if I like some of the beers you like than I might try some I know. But if you are basing your beer tastes on what Beer Advocate states why even post anything. I could go to Beer Advocate directly.
Like David Lee Roth said most music critics like Elvis Costello because most music critics look like Elvis Costello.
I look at the country, the abv, the type of beer. Off the top of my head I would probably select these for my choices:
Hof Ten Dormaal Blonde
Lindemans Framboise
Schlafly hefeweizen
Duvel Single
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I think Nats Park beer prices are the same as all the other sports venues in the area. :)
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I'd definitely skip the Schafly Hefe. Wouldn't be nearly as good as a half dozen different German produced hefes you can get in a bottle.
And the Duvel Single on draft is not the same beer as Duvel from a bottle. It's vastly inferior.
See, I did that without even looking at Beer Advocate!
I see two of my very favorite beers on the list...Sculpin and Double Jack. Probably wouldn't even go any further. Though the Ommegang's look good, if i were i nthe mood for a Belgian ale.
When you go to Max's and see a list of 100 beers on draft, how are you going to find the four or five that are likely to be the real gems?
If you want to drink all 100 beers to see which ones are the best, go right ahead. I'm going to use the internet to help me whittle the selection down and make my choice from there.
What exactly is wrong with saying:
"I like this album or beer, and you should too. Look at how much/many other critics/craft beer drinkers like it too."
or
"I think that sucks, and look the critics/other beer drinkers seem to agree with me."
when you're writing to an audience of internet strangers?
My first Iris Dement purchase (first album on cassette in 1992) predated my internet use by several year, but nice that you're keeping tabs on me. ;)
Actually, if you were to research the music I most listen to (Americana and middle of the road indie stuff), you'd find that most scores pretty ho-hum ratings. But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
I am sure my evinronment and genetics makes me appreciate German beers more than James Ford would.
James Ford would only appreciate whatever the ratings site told him to...the guy has no personal taste or individuality.
ha ha...yeah... Iris Dement gets a hohum rating..
don't think so but you know what? I don't look at ratings.. I listen to what I want..
so what? so you felt gratified she got good ratings and kept buying her stuff? so it confirmed to you that she was good?
I'm not keeping "tabs" on you dude.. but I been on this board a few years now and nobody resorts to dropping ratings more than you.. be it beer or music... and thats fine... but it means you live by other people's opinions and that is sad.
to say "the aggregate data don't lie" as you did is poppycock....
Why do I care what other people I don't know like in beer or music. If we went by that we would drink bud light. As it is liked by so many more people than the guys who post on beer advocate like. Same with music I don't care how many people like a band. So I should listen to Jay-z because everyone else does?
I like what I enjoy. Post what you enjoy and if I like some of the beers you like than I might try some I know. But if you are basing your beer tastes on what Beer Advocate states why even post anything. I could go to Beer Advocate directly.
Like David Lee Roth said most music critics like Elvis Costello because most music critics look like Elvis Costello.
I look at the country, the abv, the type of beer. Off the top of my head I would probably select these for my choices:
Hof Ten Dormaal Blonde
Lindemans Framboise
Schlafly hefeweizen
Duvel Single
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And then I'd look up my choices
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/schlafly-hefeweizen/7101/
and say, whoa, good call James!
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it'd be a travesty to go to Max's and skip humulus and bahnof berliner weisse w/ brett.
that is all.
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Unless you're the way I am with weisse beers as Atomic is with IPA's!
I can respect them, and wouldn't ignorantly utter "DISGUSTING!", but definitely wouldn't want a whole serving for meself.
it'd be a travesty to go to Max's and skip humulus and bahnof berliner weisse w/ brett.
that is all.
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But what kind of beer does David Lee Roth like?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/04/15/the-nats-dont-really-have-baseballs-most-expensive-beer/
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/04/15/the-nats-dont-really-have-baseballs-most-expensive-beer/
this is just pr by the nats organization dutifully regurgitated by the post..for obvious reasons they dont want people thinking they are being ripped off
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/04/15/the-nats-dont-really-have-baseballs-most-expensive-beer/
Suck it, this thread!
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/04/15/the-nats-dont-really-have-baseballs-most-expensive-beer/
this is just pr by the nats organization dutifully regurgitated by the post..for obvious reasons they dont want people thinking they are being ripped off
Beer is $8 at Caps and Wizards games and $9 at Redskins games. How is it being ripped off? THe prices are clearly stated. If you don't want beer, don't pay for it...?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/04/15/the-nats-dont-really-have-baseballs-most-expensive-beer/
this is just pr by the nats organization dutifully regurgitated by the post..for obvious reasons they dont want people thinking they are being ripped off
Beer is $8 at Caps and Wizards games and $9 at Redskins games. How is it being ripped off? THe prices are clearly stated. If you don't want beer, don't pay for it...?
RIPOFF!
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any1 who has been to a red sox game in the past decade knows that's the most expensive place to get your drunk on.
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any1 who has been to a red sox game in the past decade knows that's the most expensive place to get your drunk on.
apparently not anymore...its Nats Stadium now
did you actually read the report??
DC is a giant ripoff ... highest home prices.. priciest tickets....pricey food.... the whole thing
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any1 who has been to a red sox game in the past decade knows that's the most expensive place to get your drunk on.
apparently not anymore...its Nats Stadium now
did you actually read the report??
DC is a giant ripoff ... highest home prices.. priciest tickets....pricey food.... the whole thing
Did YOU read the article? It's says Nats come in 3rd, but their "cheapeast" beer puts them in the middle of the pack.
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any1 who has been to a red sox game in the past decade knows that's the most expensive place to get your drunk on.
apparently not anymore...its Nats Stadium now
did you actually read the report??
DC is a giant ripoff ... highest home prices.. priciest tickets....pricey food.... the whole thing
Did YOU read the article? It's says Nats come in 3rd, but their "cheapeast" beer puts them in the middle of the pack.
RIPOFF!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rip off implies that you wanted to pay $8 for Miller Lite, but got Miller Lite instead of Miller Lite and are now crying foul? Beer prices are insane at sporting events BUT the best way to void paying those prices is by just not doing it. It's not like they're selling you one thing and giving you another. It's cheap beer marked up for some reason.
If there was ONLY Miller Lite for $3 you'd still complain. Hell, if they GAVE away Miller Lite you'd probably still complain.
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did you actually read the report??
yeah, i did. and both accounts, the report and the rebuttal say exactly what i said.
so farts to you.
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Rip off implies that you wanted to pay $8 for Miller Lite, but got Miller Lite instead of Miller Lite and are now crying foul? Beer prices are insane at sporting events BUT the best way to void paying those prices is by just not doing it. It's not like they're selling you one thing and giving you another. It's cheap beer marked up for some reason.
If there was ONLY Miller Lite for $3 you'd still complain. Hell, if they GAVE away Miller Lite you'd probably still complain.
beer prices are insane = RIPOFF!
seems to me you don't understand the meaning of the word ripoff...
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did you actually read the report??
yeah, i did. and both accounts, the report and the rebuttal say exactly what i said.
so farts to you.
OH YAH MR BIG MAN!!!!!!!!
;D
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Rip off implies that you wanted to pay $8 for Miller Lite, but got Miller Lite instead of Miller Lite....
Um, what?
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did you actually read the report??
yeah, i did. and both accounts, the report and the rebuttal say exactly what i said.
so farts to you.
OH YAH MR BIG MAN!!!!!!!!
;D
slightly relevant onion article (http://www.theonion.com/articles/according-to-the-economist-nasa-is-an-industrial-s,11532/).
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did you actually read the report??
yeah, i did. and both accounts, the report and the rebuttal say exactly what i said.
so farts to you.
OH YAH MR BIG MAN!!!!!!!!
;D
slightly relevant onion article (http://www.theonion.com/articles/according-to-the-economist-nasa-is-an-industrial-s,11532/).
I don't want to open this...
;D
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DC is a giant ripoff ... highest home prices.. priciest tickets....pricey food.... the whole thing
Looking at this with a San Francisco perspective, I find this comment humorous.
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Rip off implies that you wanted to pay $8 for Miller Lite, but got Miller Lite instead of Miller Lite....
Um, what?
I thought it was simple. Screaming "RIPOFF!" when he realized he'd paid $8 for a Miller Lite even though he was being sold Miller Lite at $8, but still decided it was a ripoff..... I think it makes sense.
It's not like they were advertising..... some IPA at $8 then giving him Miller Lite, thus ripping him off.... They advertise Miller Lite at $8, he buys Miller Lite at $8, and then claims ripoff. The prices ARE a ripoff, but it's the same at every sporting/music event these days. SO, don't buy beer?
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The prices ARE a ripoff
um ok...if you say so..
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I mean, $8 for a beer is ridiculous, but beer is marked up everywhere that isn't a grocery store. But, at all music events and sporting events it's all marked up. So you pay it and deal with it or you don't. You don't NEED the beer. Complain to yourself, or drink more beforehand lol. Who cares.
You think the more people involved the cheaper the shit would be...
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i mean maybe if you had a real job, and tried in school, and did something with your self . . . instead of being a twenty something wanker who plays with records, works at a video game store, or still uses the term "paid by the hour" then maybe you wont bitch about the price of beer, or concert tickets, or cds, or life.
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i mean maybe if you had a real job, and tried in school, and did something with your self . . . instead of being a twenty something wanker who plays with records, works at a video game store, or still uses the term "paid by the hour" then maybe you wont bitch about the price of beer, or concert tickets, or cds, or life.
if you make a lot of money its not a ripoff...
got it.
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no, it is still a ripoff . . . but one just values more delicately what to bitch about, when youve made it in life and have a great job.
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no, it is still a ripoff . . . but one just values more delicately what to bitch about, when youve made it in life and have a great job.
oh ok coming from the forum's own queen bitch.....that carries some weight..
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bitching is an artform one learns from practice. like baseball and beer, you are born with the desire . . . but you master it within life.