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Title: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 18, 2013, 02:38:46 pm
I figured we could use one of these for baseball comments that don't necessarily pertain to the Nats or
 O's.  Or Angels?

I'll start with this:

  NEW YORK ? The New York Yankees were hit with a $28 million luxury tax bill, pushing their total past the $250 million mark since the penalty began in 2003.

 Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner said he hopes to get under the threshold next year, when it rises to $189 million.

 The Yankees are responsible for $252.7 million of the $285.1 million in tax paid by all clubs over the past 11 years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/apnewsbreak-yankees-hit-with-28m-luxury-tax/2013/12/17/eac59e88-6777-11e3-997b-9213b17dac97_story.html

 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 18, 2013, 04:54:44 pm
doesnt vansmack already have a thread about baseball somewhere around here?  all he seems to care about is hot women, technology and baseball.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 18, 2013, 05:33:45 pm
doesnt vansmack already have a thread about baseball somewhere around here?  all he seems to care about is hot women, technology and baseball.
He once said he was qualified to be the Lexington correspondent for The Economist. He's a fascinating case study if you truly peer deeply into the Smack.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 19, 2013, 12:42:25 pm
He's a fascinating case study if you truly peer deeply into the Smack.

Many have tried.  Few have succeeded.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 19, 2013, 12:43:21 pm
Projected 2014 Halo's lineup:

CF Mike Trout
RF Josh Hamilton
1B Albert Pujols
DH Raul Ibanez
2B Howie Kendrick
3B David Freese
SS Erick Aybar
C Chris Iannetta
LF J.B. Shuck/Kole Calhoun

Average age?  Older than god.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 19, 2013, 12:46:08 pm
Many have tried.  Few have succeeded.
*nods knowingly*
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 26, 2013, 04:14:23 pm
http://mrphilroth.com/mlbpayrolls/
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on December 26, 2013, 04:27:44 pm
Projected 2014 Halo's lineup:

CF Mike Trout
RF Josh Hamilton
1B Albert Pujols
DH Raul Ibanez
2B Howie Kendrick
3B David Freese
SS Erick Aybar
C Chris Iannetta
LF J.B. Shuck/Kole Calhoun

Average age?  Older than god.

And why do we care? 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: chaz on December 26, 2013, 05:04:07 pm
Projected 2014 Halo's lineup:

CF Mike Trout
RF Josh Hamilton
1B Albert Pujols
DH Raul Ibanez
2B Howie Kendrick
3B David Freese
SS Erick Aybar
C Chris Iannetta
LF J.B. Shuck/Kole Calhoun

Average age?  Older than god.

And why do we care? 
Cuz it's the MLB thread you big dummy.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on December 26, 2013, 05:18:56 pm
Projected 2014 Halo's lineup:

CF Mike Trout
RF Josh Hamilton
1B Albert Pujols
DH Raul Ibanez
2B Howie Kendrick
3B David Freese
SS Erick Aybar
C Chris Iannetta
LF J.B. Shuck/Kole Calhoun

Average age?  Older than god.

And why do we care? 
Cuz it's the MLB thread you big dummy.

Ok.  The angels will suck next year and many years to come. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 02, 2014, 03:19:52 pm
Mark Mulder chose the Angels because "because he has an opportunity to compete for a spot in the starting rotation."

That says a lot more about the lack of quality in the starting rotation than any analyst has been able to eloquently discuss.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 11, 2014, 01:42:13 pm
A-Rod's suspension just about assures the Yankees will get Tanaka unless the Dodger's do something ridiculous.

They save almost $28 million dollars and are under the luxury tax threshold,  potentially doubling the savings.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 11, 2014, 03:27:41 pm
A-Rod's suspension just about assures the Yankees will get Tanaka unless the Dodger's do something ridiculous.

They save almost $28 million dollars and are under the luxury tax threshold,  potentially doubling the savings.

Yeah, that's fair.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 13, 2014, 12:37:05 pm
http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/baseball/npb/news/20140111-OHT1T00217.htm

My Japanese isn't very good, but it says the Yankees, Dodgers and Angels are the finalists to sign Tanaka.  I don't see how the Angels are in that conversation, really, but I guess it's a small glimmer of hope.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 13, 2014, 03:52:06 pm
The usual suspects.  He'll end up in pinstripes.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on January 13, 2014, 04:03:18 pm
http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/baseball/npb/news/20140111-OHT1T00217.htm

My Japanese isn't very good, but it says the Yankees, Dodgers and Angels are the finalists to sign Tanaka.  I don't see how the Angels are in that conversation, really, but I guess it's a small glimmer of hope.

I bet he ends up with Dodgers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 13, 2014, 04:17:39 pm
His wife wants to live on the west coast, so if he doesn't want to bat, and his wife wears the pants (unlikely in the Asian household), he could be an Angel.

But in the real world, I agree with Atomic on this one - I say he becomes a Dodger.  It's a better pitchers park, closer to home, and they'll put as much cash in front of him as the Yankees.  If that happens, I bet Kershaw becomes a Ranger.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2014, 12:39:37 am
I got to say I got my own suspicions about pro-roid clubhouses and front offices.... but this article seems like a real hit piece

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/tony-la-russa-comments-ignore-own-role-ped-203231973--mlb.html
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 14, 2014, 04:19:27 pm
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/richard-justice-yankees-need-to-find-a-way-to-land-tanaka?ymd=20140113&content_id=66596350&vkey=news_mlb
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on January 15, 2014, 05:30:53 pm
dodgers re-sign kershaw
 7 years $215 mill
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 15, 2014, 06:21:46 pm
dodgers re-sign kershaw
 7 years $215 mill

That explains my phone blowing up at lunch.  Less than I expected...

I wonder if this means they're out of the Tanaka race?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on January 15, 2014, 09:50:42 pm
dodgers re-sign kershaw
 7 years $215 mill
this seemed far shorter than i expected, then i realized kershaw can opt out after 5 years, putting him as a free agent at 30, still very much in line for another potential record breaking deal

so if he keeps performing and pitcher salaries keep rising, he stands to become a very rich man in five years
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on January 15, 2014, 10:00:17 pm
dodgers re-sign kershaw
 7 years $215 mill
this seemed far shorter than i expected, then i realized kershaw can opt out after 5 years, putting him as a free agent at 30, still very much in line for another potential record breaking deal

so if he keeps performing and pitcher salaries keep rising, he stands to become a very rich man in five years

This contract makes him very rich man...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on January 16, 2014, 01:38:40 am
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2014, 08:54:41 am
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

and thats a good point...Its rare for sure......


teach your little ones how to pitch..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on January 16, 2014, 11:12:38 am
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

Or he blows his arm out and the team has wasted a ton of money.

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on January 16, 2014, 01:45:41 pm
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

Or he blows his arm out and the team has wasted a ton of money.


actually that risk is more on kershaw than the dodgers. if it happens, he doesnt get to cash in a second time, but the dodgers wont be paying him deep into his 30's like most megadeals you see these days. this isnt signing a 32 year old for 10 years. pitchers are inherently risky but signing a 25 year old for 7 years is on the low end of the sprectrum

im not saying hes remotely in kershaws league yet, but i cant help but wonder what this will mean for strasburg in a few years.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on January 16, 2014, 02:01:47 pm
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

Or he blows his arm out and the team has wasted a ton of money.


actually that risk is more on kershaw than the dodgers. if it happens, he doesnt get to cash in a second time, but the dodgers wont be paying him deep into his 30's like most megadeals you see these days. this isnt signing a 32 year old for 10 years. pitchers are inherently risky but signing a 25 year old for 7 years is on the low end of the sprectrum

im not saying hes remotely in kershaws league yet, but i cant help but wonder what this will mean for strasburg in a few years.

How is this a risk for Kershaw?  If he doesn't blow his money on airplanes or get ripped of by somebody he is going to have more than enough  money than his or his family could ever spend.  And he could just as easily blow 500 million as he could 200 million. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 16, 2014, 03:10:55 pm
I mean, who hasn't blown a few spare hundreds of millions of dollars, am I right, guys?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2014, 03:54:46 pm
im not saying hes remotely in kershaws league yet, but i cant help but wonder what this will mean for strasburg in a few years.

This hasn't been talked about enough.  People keep focusing on future free agent deals, like Strasburg (who will test the free agent market and not sign an extension, and I'm willing to bet a lot on that), but Stras has two more years of arbitration left.

This deal means that the arbitration number is going to make a huge jump (it's based on players performance compared to the performances of other players and their compensation).  Small market teams are not going to be able to afford $15m Arb-1 and Arb-2 players.  Makes the David Price situation in Tampa look soft, by comparison.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2014, 03:56:40 pm
this seemed far shorter than i expected, then i realized kershaw can opt out after 5 years, putting him as a free agent at 30, still very much in line for another potential record breaking deal

Yep - he traded 3 more years to the deal for the ability to opt out.  It looks more like Kershaw took the risk, but as was pointed out, it's not much of a risk with $215m in your pocket.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on January 16, 2014, 04:15:55 pm
im not saying hes remotely in kershaws league yet, but i cant help but wonder what this will mean for strasburg in a few years.

This hasn't been talked about enough.  People keep focusing on future free agent deals, like Strasburg (who will test the free agent market and not sign an extension, and I'm willing to bet a lot on that), but Stras has two more years of arbitration left.

This deal means that the arbitration number is going to make a huge jump (it's based on players performance compared to the performances of other players and their compensation).  Small market teams are not going to be able to afford $15m Arb-1 and Arb-2 players.  Makes the David Price situation in Tampa look soft, by comparison.   

That is why I said he shouldn't have been shut down a couple years back with the Nationals in the playoffs. He is going to be gone anyway soon as he gets a chance.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2014, 05:30:04 pm
Makes the David Price situation in Tampa look soft, by comparison.   

And with that, Price gets a one-year, $14m deal.  Poor Tampa Bay...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 17, 2014, 09:33:19 pm
Scherzer resigns for one year, 15.5. Optimistic Julian says that's a good faith effort before a Long term deal. Pessimistic Julian says we just paid top dollar for a guy who's going to start for Boston/NY for the next decade.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 19, 2014, 03:53:31 pm
Finally saw the Kershaw contract -  interesting trade clause: if the Dodgers trade him he becomes a free agent after that season.

I wonder what MLB is going to say about that.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 19, 2014, 03:57:24 pm
Scherzer resigns for one year, 15.5. Optimistic Julian says that's a good faith effort before a Long term deal. Pessimistic Julian says we just paid top dollar for a guy who's going to start for Boston/NY for the next decade.

Offense wants to sign for NY/Boston.

Post-steroid pitchers want no part of those ball parks. I predict the Tigers sign him to a long term deal before the trade dealine. Every move they have made this off season was in the vein of a long term deal for Scherzer (and arguably made the team better in the long run).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on January 19, 2014, 05:41:09 pm
Finally saw the Kershaw contract -  interesting trade clause: if the Dodgers trade him he becomes a free agent after that season.

I wonder what MLB is going to say about that.

Seems like a really stupid contract for the team.  Also, giving him an option to opt out early is stupid.  Dumb contract overall for the Dodgers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on January 19, 2014, 11:16:38 pm
LOL Pete Rose (http://www.peterosesucks.com), sorry back to your ongoing discussion now!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 21, 2014, 12:54:17 pm
Seems like a really stupid contract for the team.  Also, giving him an option to opt out early is stupid.  Dumb contract overall for the Dodgers.

Not surprisingly, you might be the only person who thinks that.

Anything over 4 years for a pitcher is a risk to the team, but Kershaw wasn't signing anything less than 7-10 years next season.  So to pay what appears to be less than market value. while he's still under control, in exchange for an early out for the pitcher is a good deal.

Not to mention, money is no object for that team at the moment.  I still think they sign Tanaka.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on January 21, 2014, 12:58:49 pm
Seems like a really stupid contract for the team.  Also, giving him an option to opt out early is stupid.  Dumb contract overall for the Dodgers.

Not surprisingly, you might be the only person who thinks that.

Anything over 4 years for a pitcher is a risk to the team, but Kershaw wasn't signing anything less than 7-10 years next season.  So to pay what appears to be less than market value. while he's still under control, in exchange for an early out for the pitcher is a good deal.

Not to mention, money is no object for that team at the moment.  I still think they sign Tanaka.

How can it be less than market value when he signed a contract for more than any pitcher in history?  It is only 7 year contract if he sucks.  Otherwise he bolts early.  Stupid for the team.  Great for him.

No one has unlimited money. Those who think so end up broke.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 21, 2014, 01:59:27 pm
You miss understand the market.  Yes his deal is more than the 2-3 other 7-year deals for Verlander, Sabathia, and Hernandez, but he's much younger and had better numbers.

Previous contracts are only one factor, and not the largest.  The real market is what other teams would be willing to pay for Kershaw, and just about everyone expected a 10-year $300 million deal, which is what he likely would have gotten had he made it to free agency and there was competition for his signature.  Especially at 26.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on January 21, 2014, 02:29:21 pm
You miss understand the market.  Yes his deal is more than the 2-3 other 7-year deals for Verlander, Sabathia, and Hernandez, but he's much younger and had better numbers.

Previous contracts are only one factor, and not the largest.  The real market is what other teams would be willing to pay for Kershaw, and just about everyone expected a 10-year $300 million deal, which is what he likely would have gotten had he made it to free agency and there was competition for his signature.  Especially at 26.

10 year 300 million is less money per year than 7 year 210 million.  He is also going to be the highest paid baseball player of all time.  I don't see how you could say he is getting less than the market rate.  And the 5 year opt-out is bad for the team.  As basically they are only getting 4 years more guaranteed Kershaw and guranteeing him 7 years guranteed money at the highest rate in major league baseball.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 21, 2014, 02:53:53 pm
10 year 300 million is less money per year than 7 year 210 million. 
Quoted for emphasis.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on January 21, 2014, 03:14:49 pm
10 year 300 million is less money per year than 7 year 210 million. 
Quoted for emphasis.

Oh I meant to state :  10 year 300 million is less money per year than 7 year 215 million. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on January 21, 2014, 03:17:29 pm
10 year 300 million is less money per year than 7 year 210 million. 
Quoted for emphasis.

Oh I meant to state :  10 year 300 million is less money per year than 7 year 215 million. 

make up your mind dude! a minute ago you wrote

10 year 300 million is less money than 7 year 210 million
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 22, 2014, 11:07:21 am
Yankees sign Tanaka. 

7 years,  $155 million
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 22, 2014, 11:12:36 am
The usual suspects.  He'll end up in pinstripes.

Shocker.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on January 22, 2014, 01:53:34 pm
whats shocking is how people thought it could be another team

the Yankees were interested.


Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 22, 2014, 05:13:18 pm
"The Yankees, with the addition of Tanaka?s reported $22 million salary in 2014, will have eight players who will make at least $15 million this upcoming season. That figure would be nine, but Alex Rodriguez (and his $25 million salary) is currently suspended for 2014.
Hall-of-Famer-in-waiting shortstop Derek Jeter, is actually ninth(or 10th, if you count A-Rod) on the Yankees? 2014 payroll at $12 million.

In comparison, the rest of the AL East has just five players who are scheduled to get $15M or more in 2014."

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 23, 2014, 02:37:06 pm
Brewers sign Garza to a 4 year deal.    They'll trade him after 2.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 23, 2014, 09:45:19 pm
Maddux entering Hall with no team logo on his plaque.  LaRussa as well.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on January 23, 2014, 09:48:41 pm
Maddux entering Hall with no team logo on his plaque. 


why? didn't he play virtually his entire career with the braves?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on January 23, 2014, 10:06:28 pm
he actually pitched more games on other teams than he did with the braves if i remember correctly

still weird not to go in with a braves hat though. those years defined his career.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 23, 2014, 10:30:02 pm
he actually pitched more games on other teams than he did with the braves if i remember correctly

still weird not to go in with a braves hat though. those years defined his career.

He was a Cub twice, though, and drafted by them.

ATL: 363

CHI: 302

SD: 60

LA: 19

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on January 23, 2014, 11:45:21 pm
i understand the decision (not wanting to alienate cubs or braves fans) i just assumed a braves cap for his plaque was a given

hes my favorite player of all time, for what its worth, so he can do whatever the hell he wants at this point. im half considering making the trip to cooperstown just to see him one more time
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 07, 2014, 06:05:03 pm
D-Backs got Arroyo, only a 2-year deal.  That's a coup if true...

UPDATE: 2-yr, $19m, club option for third year.

That's a great deal for AZ.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 07, 2014, 06:30:16 pm
D-Backs got Arroyo, only a 2-year deal.  That's a coup if true...

UPDATE: 2-yr, $19m, club option for third year.

That's a great deal for AZ.

Keith Law doesn't think so.  Just heard him on CBS radio.

Edit: He has an Insider column on it which just posted.  Which I can't access.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 07, 2014, 07:13:33 pm
Keith Law doesn't think so.  Just heard him on CBS radio.

2004: 27 starts, 178.2 innings
2005: 32 starts, 205.1 innings
2006: 35 starts, 240.2 innings
2007: 34 starts, 210.2 innings
2008: 34 starts, 200 innings
2009: 33 starts, 220.1 innings
2010: 33 starts 215.2 innings
2011: 32 starts 199 innings
2012: 32 starts 202 innings
2013: 32 starts 202 innings

And no draft pick compensation attached.  With the young staff AZ has, he's the perfect mentor/innings eater for that team.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 07, 2014, 09:04:26 pm
I saw $23.5M.  And I guess the point was that, as a fly-ball pitcher, he's not suited for the AL East.

Especially not Camden Yards. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on February 07, 2014, 09:49:48 pm
23.5 is the guaranteed money. the third year is a team option with a $4.5 million buyout.

considering the price of pitching these days, a guy as reliable as arroyo is practically a steal for that much

curious to see where burnett goes. kilgore suggested the nats make a play. not sure if i buy it, but it would be an interesting move. he'll probably end up back in pittsburgh, provided they can carve out some budget space
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on February 07, 2014, 10:28:02 pm
D-Backs got Arroyo, only a 2-year deal.  That's a coup if true...

UPDATE: 2-yr, $19m, club option for third year.

That's a great deal for AZ.

Orioles offciaially suck.  Why didn't they beat that deal?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 08, 2014, 11:32:04 am
ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick tweeted the following:

"It was #dbacks vs. #orioles at the end for Bronson Arroyo. He wanted to pitch in NL, which helped give Arizona the edge"

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 08, 2014, 03:31:53 pm
ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick tweeted the following:

"It was #dbacks vs. #orioles at the end for Bronson Arroyo. He wanted to pitch in NL, which helped give Arizona the edge"

Compare the 5 ball parks of the NL West:

Dodger Stadium, AT&T Park, PetCO Field, Coors Field and his home park in AZ.

5 of the most spacious parks in baseball, 3 with heavy marine air.

Versus the 2 stadiums and 3 shoeboxes in the AL East:

Fenway, the new Yankee Stadium, Camden Yards, the Trop and the Rodgers Centre.

A flyball pitcher at the end of his career who gets a pitcher every 9th batter instead of thumper and the NL was a no brainer.  It was his only shot at the option year.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 08, 2014, 03:35:32 pm
curious to see where burnett goes. kilgore suggested the nats make a play. not sure if i buy it, but it would be an interesting move. he'll probably end up back in pittsburgh, provided they can carve out some budget space

The hot rumor on Pittsburgh is that they already made the best offer months ago, but that he was extremely pissed about being passed up for the rookie in game 5 of the NLDS and won't return.

I don't see him going to the Nats, who really don't need him and should probably focus on the bullpen with that cash.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 08, 2014, 03:39:31 pm
Orioles offciaially suck.  Why didn't they beat that deal?

Maybe he was afraid he couldn't meet the rigorous standards of the Orioles physical? 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 09, 2014, 12:26:42 am
Edit: He has an Insider column on it which just posted.  Which I can't access.

He said:

He's old, getting older, doesn't throw the ball hard enough to keep the ball in the park consistently, and can't get left handed batters out.

I point to the numbers I posted with no signs of age getting in the way of that.  He's consistent and can give your bullpen a rest.  And he'll keep more balls in the park in the NL West than in the launching pad that is Great American Ballpark.

The one point I do agree with was that the D-Backs already had an innings eater who was much cheaper in Ian Kennedy ($6m for 2014).  The problem with Kennedy is that he's lazy - the Yankees knew it, the D-Backs now know this and you don't want your young pitchers seeing that.  That's why Arroyo is now in AZ and Kennedy is on his way out.

It's not very often I disagree with KLaw as much as I do now.  I think this is a good deal with little risk.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on February 09, 2014, 12:31:16 am
curious to see where burnett goes. kilgore suggested the nats make a play. not sure if i buy it, but it would be an interesting move. he'll probably end up back in pittsburgh, provided they can carve out some budget space

The hot rumor on Pittsburgh is that they already made the best offer months ago, but that he was extremely pissed about being passed up for the rookie in game 5 of the NLDS and won't return.

I don't see him going to the Nats, who really don't need him and should probably focus on the bullpen with that cash.
interesting. i do remember the announcers saying something like "its all hands on deck in the pirates bullpen tonight, except for aj burnett" during game 5. seemed odd at the time but makes sense now, and doesnt make him look good.

given his playoff performance versus coles, it was a no-brainer for hurdle anyway.

im lukewarm on the nats making a play. they certainly dont need him, but if he can be had for cheap (seems like hes severely limited his own market), im not sure id object. i like detwiler but he might be more valuable as a bullpen arm
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 12, 2014, 01:02:25 pm
Burnett to the Phillies. 1 year deal.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 16, 2014, 11:56:32 am
Braves sign Kimbrel to 4-year deal,  avoiding the embarrassing JJ scenario.

And Dempster isn't retiring,  but won't pitch in 2014 for personal and Family reasons.  Red Sox don't have to pay him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 17, 2014, 05:41:20 pm
Garza passed on Angels' offer because he was on vacation. 

http://tracking.si.com/2014/02/17/matt-garza-passed-angels-vacation/?xid=nl_siextra
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 17, 2014, 05:51:42 pm
Garza passed on Angels' offer because he was on vacation. 

http://tracking.si.com/2014/02/17/matt-garza-passed-angels-vacation/?xid=nl_siextra

This guys nails it:

I wonder how Mrs. Garza feels about living in Milwaukee instead of Newport Beach?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 17, 2014, 07:41:29 pm
TAMPA, Fla. -- Brian Roberts hasn't been able to stay on the field as an every-day second baseman since 2009, but that didn't stop New York Yankees manager Joe Girardi from naming Roberts as Robinson Cano's successor.

"That is the plan, for him to be our second baseman," Girardi said Monday. "I know he hasn't played a full season in the last few years, he's obviously a guy who has some age on him too, but my plan is to run him out there every day."

Good luck with that, Joe.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on March 26, 2014, 08:27:56 pm
New dress code in St. Louis:

'The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), jerseys (sleeved jerseys are permitted in conjunction with a cardinals game or any other major St. Louis sporting event), athletic shorts and excessively sagging pants or shorts bandanas.'

http://deadspin.com/new-st-louis-ballpark-village-has-a-ridiculous-dress-c-1552078792
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on March 26, 2014, 08:44:47 pm
It's odd that they would call what sounds like a perfectly reasonable dress code "ridiculous".

New dress code in St. Louis:

'The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), jerseys (sleeved jerseys are permitted in conjunction with a cardinals game or any other major St. Louis sporting event), athletic shorts and excessively sagging pants or shorts bandanas.'

http://deadspin.com/new-st-louis-ballpark-village-has-a-ridiculous-dress-c-1552078792
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on March 26, 2014, 11:45:26 pm
It's odd that they would call what sounds like a perfectly reasonable dress code "ridiculous".

New dress code in St. Louis:

'The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), jerseys (sleeved jerseys are permitted in conjunction with a cardinals game or any other major St. Louis sporting event), athletic shorts and excessively sagging pants or shorts bandanas.'

http://deadspin.com/new-st-louis-ballpark-village-has-a-ridiculous-dress-c-1552078792

this might be the most james ford response ever.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on March 27, 2014, 08:49:10 am
Perhaps they should charge $135 admission and strongly suggest people wear dress shirts and chinos. It would achieve the same audience outcome.

It's odd that they would call what sounds like a perfectly reasonable dress code "ridiculous".

New dress code in St. Louis:

'The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), jerseys (sleeved jerseys are permitted in conjunction with a cardinals game or any other major St. Louis sporting event), athletic shorts and excessively sagging pants or shorts bandanas.'

http://deadspin.com/new-st-louis-ballpark-village-has-a-ridiculous-dress-c-1552078792

this might be the most james ford response ever.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on March 27, 2014, 11:10:34 am
New dress code in St. Louis:

'The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), jerseys (sleeved jerseys are permitted in conjunction with a cardinals game or any other major St. Louis sporting event), athletic shorts and excessively sagging pants or shorts bandanas.'

http://deadspin.com/new-st-louis-ballpark-village-has-a-ridiculous-dress-c-1552078792

I was hopeful that this was for the whole city of St Louis but it is just for a ballpark? Maybe we should have this in Baltimore. I like the idea of extending your hands and measuring to see if you shirt isn't over the length of your fingers. If it is the cops could hit you with their nightstick.  Otherwise you are free to go about your business.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 27, 2014, 12:40:52 pm
Tanner Scheppers will be the opening day starter for the injury ravaged Rangers.

He's is the fourth pitcher in MLB history to make his first career start on opening day, and first since 1943.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Hexenjagd on March 27, 2014, 12:57:49 pm
I was hopeful that this was for the whole city of St Louis but it is just for a ballpark? Maybe we should have this in Baltimore. I like the idea of extending your hands and measuring to see if you shirt isn't over the length of your fingers. If it is the cops could hit you with their nightstick.  Otherwise you are free to go about your business.
Why does what people in Baltimore wear matter to you?  Why do you want people with long shirts to get beat by the cops?   I know you are trolling but this is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on March 27, 2014, 02:02:16 pm
I was hopeful that this was for the whole city of St Louis but it is just for a ballpark? Maybe we should have this in Baltimore. I like the idea of extending your hands and measuring to see if you shirt isn't over the length of your fingers. If it is the cops could hit you with their nightstick.  Otherwise you are free to go about your business.
Why does what people in Baltimore wear matter to you?  Why do you want people with long shirts to get beat by the cops?   I know you are trolling but this is ridiculous.

It is trolling to make a joke?  And it is pretty rich coming from you. You and Azaghal have become the biggest trolls on the site.  All those stupid Ween posts?  Really you weren't trolling then?  I used to like you but you have become bitter.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Hexenjagd on March 27, 2014, 02:13:08 pm
I'm far from bitter.

Saying a city should enact a dress code that would apply to one set of people over all others (and saying those people should be beat by cops), to me, is trolling.

Dropping Ween mentions in random threads, to me, equals joking around. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on March 27, 2014, 02:16:52 pm
I'm far from bitter.

Saying a city should enact a dress code that would apply to one set of people over all others (and saying those people should be beat by cops), to me, is trolling.

Dropping Ween mentions in random threads, to me, equals joking around. 

Well you don't know trolling.  YOu trolled the worst I have ever seen.  Any ohter forum you would have been banned.

I am replying to a post with a joke.  You really thought I seriously thought people should be hit by the cops for wearing the wrong size clothing?  You were trolling me by posting Ween everywhere. You did it to attempt to annoy me and destroyed the whole forum by doing it. 

Oh and I don't get the one people over another.  I think that all people would be beat equally. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Hexenjagd on March 27, 2014, 02:19:44 pm
LOL

When did i troll anything?  Banned?  Ive been on forums since 2003, always posted the same, and have never been banned or threatened with being banned. 

Anyways, what is an example of me trolling? 

As for Ween, I liked them in high school. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on March 27, 2014, 02:23:49 pm
Nolan Reimold has gone on the DL more times than Tom Cruise.

Discuss.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on March 27, 2014, 02:24:58 pm
Nolan Reimold has gone on the DL more times than Tom Cruise.

Discuss.

You should have said more than Brian Roberts.  I have no idea why the Orioles signed him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on March 27, 2014, 02:28:02 pm
But if I said Brian Roberts instead of Tom Cruise it would be a simple statement of fact rather than a slightly funny joke.

Nolan Reimold has gone on the DL more times than Tom Cruise.

Discuss.

You should have said more than Brian Roberts.  I have no idea why the Orioles signed him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 27, 2014, 06:39:14 pm
Tigers sign the second best player in baseball to a 7 year,  approximately $30 million annual extension.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 07:01:06 pm
Tigers sign the second best player in baseball to a 7 year,  approximately $30 million annual extension.
We are getting burnt bad on the back end of that probably butnim still utterly thrilled. I still argue he's the best hitter of our lifetime (so far).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 07:08:54 pm
Actually it's apparently 8 years extension after the two he was currently signed for. Close to 300mil over h next decade. Wow.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 07:12:27 pm
Smackie, when Trout hits actual free agency are we looking at 40 or 45 mil per season? It can't be less than 40, reasonably, can it?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 27, 2014, 07:28:21 pm
Smackie, when Trout hits actual free agency are we looking at 40 or 45 mil per season? It can't be less than 40, reasonably, can it?

That will depend on when he hits free agency.  Assuming he continues at his current pace offensively:

If the Angels announce something next week (like I think they will), he'll probably get $15m, $20m, $25m, $30m, $35m and $40m over the next 6 years (roughly equal to what he would get in arbitration, plus 3 bought out free agent years).  6 year, $165 million deal.

If the Angels do what Atomic suggests and wait until his service time is up, the Angels will pay him $15m, $25m, and probably $35m in his last arbitration season.  The Yankees will then pay him $45m-$50m in his first season and $75m in the last year of his $500 million 10 year deal.

 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 27, 2014, 07:31:39 pm
Actually it's apparently 8 years extension after the two he was currently signed for. Close to 300mil over h next decade. Wow.

This is correct.  I only received a text with no numbers.  8 year extension to the 2 remaining years worth $300 million for his age 30-40 years.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 07:49:33 pm
Actually it's apparently 8 years extension after the two he was currently signed for. Close to 300mil over h next decade. Wow.

This is correct.  I only received a text with no numbers.  8 year extension to the 2 remaining years worth $300 million for his age 30-40 years.
He turns 31 in like three weeks, so really more of 31-41. But still.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 07:51:07 pm
Actually think as well as he was able to hit with his knee problems the second half of last season where his basically just using his upper body to swing, his hitting is not going to completely fall off like you see some people do. I think he can be a viable 20 homerun 260 hitter at 39 or 40. But I'm hugely biased.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 27, 2014, 07:51:23 pm
We are getting burnt bad on the back end of that probably butnim still utterly thrilled. I still argue he's the best hitter of our lifetime (so far).

Not if you can trade it to the Rangers.

And yes, he's the best hitter so far in our generation.  I still wish the Angels would have made the deal for him but they decided that Howie Kendrick, Jeff Mathis and BOTH Ervin Santana and Nick Adenhart was too much.  One or the other pitcher was fine, but not both.  The Halo's also thought Brandon Wood was untouchable - as it turned out so was any pitch you threw at him.  They might have been right had Adenhart not been killed, but Miggy turned out better than alright.

For those that forget, Detroit ate Dontrel Willis' contract and gave up Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, Frankie De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo for Cabrera.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 07:53:42 pm
We are getting burnt bad on the back end of that probably butnim still utterly thrilled. I still argue he's the best hitter of our lifetime (so far).

Not if you can trade it to the Rangers.

And yes, he's the best hitter so far in our generation.  I still wish the Angels would have made the deal for him but they decided that Howie Kendrick, Jeff Mathis and BOTH Ervin Santana and Nick Adenhart was too much.  One or the other pitcher was fine, but not both.  The Halo's also thought Brandon Wood was untouchable - as it turned out so was any pitch you threw at him.  They might have been right had Adenhart not been killed, but Miggy turned out better than alright.

For those that forget, Detroit ate Dontrel Willis' contract and gave up Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, Frankie De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo for Cabrera.
It was a fleecing no doubt. That's why I don't feel like the tigers could even let that guy get the free agency. If you were practically gifted that type of immense talent, you can't go through the emotional wall of actually letting him leave. He could be a top two or three Tiger all-time.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 08:09:10 pm
Smacks, do you actually think what the Astros are doing is going to work in the long run?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 09:20:51 pm
10y/292. Two more vested years at 30mil each could push it to 352.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 27, 2014, 11:23:55 pm
Smacks, do you actually think what the Astros are doing is going to work in the long run?

Ask the Pirates.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 27, 2014, 11:25:11 pm
Smacks, do you actually think what the Astros are doing is going to work in the long run?

Ask the Pirates.
so... You think it's going to make them fairly competitive but not win a title, or no...?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 28, 2014, 12:36:41 am
Not surprisingly,  Keith Law hates the deal as much as he hated Prince's deal,  Howard' deal in Philly and Pujols' deal in Anaheim.  Too much money at the back end for too many years.

I did laugh at this though: "even if it implies that a free-agent version of Mike Trout would be worth the GDP of a small island nation."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 28, 2014, 12:45:27 am
so... You think it's going to make them fairly competitive but not win a title, or no...?

It going to take 5 years to a decade,  but I think they'll win the AL West before Seattle.

The Pirates were the 4th or 5th best team in the league last year,  but 4th and 5th were distant to the top 3 (BOS,  STL,  DET) . And unlike the Dodgers,  they couldn't spring the cash to upgrade their weaknesses via free agency. Houston  is going to have the same problem.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 28, 2014, 11:42:56 am
Hard to argue with this logic on why the Tigers should not have gone 10 years with a 31 year old:

"You could give him $35 million for three seasons [in an extension]," said one official, "and you would've saved yourself more than $100 million in risk. Hell, you could give him $45 million a year for three years, and it would've been impossible for him to turn that down -- and you save money on the back end."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 28, 2014, 10:41:10 pm

If the Angels announce something next week (like I think they will)

The Angels will sign the paperwork on a 6 year deal tonight and announce it tomorrow.

Edit: only $144 million.  BARGAIN
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on March 28, 2014, 10:53:46 pm

If the Angels announce something next week (like I think they will)

The Angels will sign the paperwork on a 6 year deal tonight and announce it tomorrow.

Edit: only $144 million.  BARGAIN

That has to be the worst deal in the history of sports.  The Angels get 2 years of his free agency years for 140 million.  The Angels GM is the worst GM in the league by far.  He doesn't know how to not sign players to terrible deals for the team.  I wake up every day thanking him for turning the Orioles down. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 29, 2014, 11:39:29 am
It's 3 years, not 2.

And he's arbitration eligible next season, where after Cabrera's deal, he was likely to make $25-$30 million next year and as much as $40 million in 2017.

2015 - $25 million
2016 - $30 million
2017 - $35 million

So that's $90 million the Angels were committed to.

So for another $50 million, they signed Trout for 2018-2020 for an average value of $18 million.  That's the definition of a bargain.

When the O's don't do the same with Machado and he becomes a Yankee, I'll remind about how good GM's and Owners handle once in a generation talents.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on March 29, 2014, 11:48:50 am
yeah..to me it looks like a bargain...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on March 29, 2014, 12:12:29 pm
Pretty soon it'll be $50 to sit in the bleachers.  There's your bargain. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 29, 2014, 02:28:09 pm
Pretty soon it'll be $50 to sit in the bleachers.  There's your bargain. 

TV revenue is driving these salaries,  not ticket sales.  Your cable bill will go up at a higher rate than bleacher seats.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on March 29, 2014, 02:45:03 pm
I need another stellar healthy season or two from Manny before I call him a once in a generation player...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on March 29, 2014, 03:59:43 pm
Pretty soon it'll be $50 to sit in the bleachers.  There's your bargain. 

that is true...it is getting pricey to go to games
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on March 29, 2014, 04:02:11 pm
It's 3 years, not 2.

And he's arbitration eligible next season, where after Cabrera's deal, he was likely to make $25-$30 million next year and as much as $40 million in 2017.

2015 - $25 million
2016 - $30 million
2017 - $35 million

So that's $90 million the Angels were committed to.

So for another $50 million, they signed Trout for 2018-2020 for an average value of $18 million.  That's the definition of a bargain.

When the O's don't do the same with Machado and he becomes a Yankee, I'll remind about how good GM's and Owners handle once in a generation talents.   

The Angels will be awful with Trout.  How do you get 25 million for 2015. There has never been an arbitration award close to that.  Much less the ridiculous number you put up for 2017.  He has to be compared to other 4th year player none of whom are making half of that.  

If Machado goes I won't be mad as I am sure it will be the benefit of the team.  I would rather have a winning team without Machado than a losing one with him.  I can tell you this that DD would never give him an insane deal like Trout got. And what is worse is other players are going to use Trouts figure in their arbitration.  Angels idiot GM is hurting other clubs with stupid deal.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on March 29, 2014, 04:09:54 pm
In 2016 the Angels will be spending 112 million on 5 players.  Add to them having the worst farm team in baseball and things will be really ugly for them.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on March 29, 2014, 04:36:15 pm
Pretty soon it'll be $50 to sit in the bleachers.  There's your bargain. 

TV revenue is driving these salaries,  not ticket sales.  Your cable bill will go up at a higher rate than bleacher seats.


Very true, but ticket prices are also a part of the equation.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 29, 2014, 05:06:28 pm
There has never been an arbitration award close to that.  Much less the ridiculous number you put up for 2017.  He has to be compared to other 4th year player none of whom are making half of that.

As usual,  you are ignoring certain parts of the CBA that pertain to this particular case.  It's called the "special accomplishments"  clause:

 "This shall not limit the ability of a Player or his representative, because of special accomplishment to argue the equal relevance of salaries of Players without regard to service, and the arbitration panel shall give whatever weight to such argument as is deemed appropriate"

Essentially the player's representative can argue that the player's accomplishments are so unique as to demand comparison to players outside the designated group of comparable players.

The Players Association was chomping at the bit to test this clause with Trout.  MLB owners and GM's are praising the Angels for not letting Trout get to Arbitration.  Can you imagine if he had won the MVP this season and then gone to Arbitration?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 29, 2014, 05:08:05 pm
I need another stellar healthy season or two from Manny before I call him a once in a generation player...

I agree.  I was being hyperbolic to prove a point. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 30, 2014, 12:23:19 pm
The entire Yankees starting lineup tomorrow (and they are their likely regulars) will be over the age of 30.  And their first pinch hitter will likely be 40.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on March 30, 2014, 04:07:51 pm
It's 3 years, not 2.

And he's arbitration eligible next season, where after Cabrera's deal, he was likely to make $25-$30 million next year and as much as $40 million in 2017.

2015 - $25 million
2016 - $30 million
2017 - $35 million

So that's $90 million the Angels were committed to.

So for another $50 million, they signed Trout for 2018-2020 for an average value of $18 million.  That's the definition of a bargain.

When the O's don't do the same with Machado and he becomes a Yankee, I'll remind about how good GM's and Owners handle once in a generation talents.   

The Angels will be awful with Trout.  How do you get 25 million for 2015. There has never been an arbitration award close to that.  Much less the ridiculous number you put up for 2017.  He has to be compared to other 4th year player none of whom are making half of that.  

If Machado goes I won't be mad as I am sure it will be the benefit of the team.  I would rather have a winning team without Machado than a losing one with him.  I can tell you this that DD would never give him an insane deal like Trout got. And what is worse is other players are going to use Trouts figure in their arbitration.  Angels idiot GM is hurting other clubs with stupid deal.

i know it's a different decade and a different ballclub, but DD was responsible for the manny ramirez lucrative contract.  i don't think he'd hesitate to pull the trigger on another huge deal again. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 31, 2014, 01:07:45 pm
Proud to live in the only state in the Union where Opening Day is a State Holiday (Albeit for totally different reasons, but I'll take it).

Play ball!  For 12 straight hours!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Got Haggis? on April 01, 2014, 11:08:49 am
O's!!!

what great weather (minus wind..i think i have wind burn) for opening day
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 01, 2014, 11:48:56 am
Pretty much every Angel fans nightmare scenario.  A lead in the 7th turns into a 7 run bullpen loss.  Just like 2012.  And 2013.... 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 01, 2014, 12:58:49 pm
... go mariners
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 01, 2014, 01:24:42 pm
Pretty much every Angel fans nightmare scenario.  A lead in the 7th turns into a 7 run bullpen loss.  Just like 2012.  And 2013.... 

Jim Johnson was available.  Cheap too.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 01, 2014, 01:37:08 pm
Jim Johnson was available.  Cheap too.

Still might be soon.  He was booed in Oakland last night...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 01, 2014, 10:43:35 pm
Better hope that Baylor injury isn't an omen.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 02, 2014, 12:35:10 am
Better hope that Baylor injury isn't an omen.

Is there any other way to look at your new batting coach breaking his femur on the ceremonial first pitch?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 04, 2014, 02:55:53 pm
Pretty much every Angel fans nightmare scenario.  A lead in the 7th turns into a 7 run bullpen loss.  Just like 2012.  And 2013.... 

Brock (ID)

New Question. How long do you think the Mike Trout craze will last? Will he live up to his hype for a longer period of time?

Jayson Stark  (1:21 PM)

Wait. It's a "craze?" I don't see this as just "hype." This is real, man. He's had two seasons unlike anything we've ever witnessed from a player his age. And there's zero sign it's fluky, or about to end any time soon. So this is no fad, Brock. This is about the best player in baseball proving his greatness every night. And some of us noticing!


Some of us noticed from the beginning.  The only downside is that you have to watch the rest of the team play.  On Wednesday night he was 2-3.  The rest of the team was 1-26.  Ladies and gentlemen your 2014 Angels! 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 04, 2014, 03:11:05 pm
Better hope that Baylor injury isn't an omen.

Is there any other way to look at your new batting coach breaking his femur on the ceremonial first pitch?
. Wait, I didn't hear anything about this. What's the story?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: chaz on April 04, 2014, 03:37:21 pm
Better hope that Baylor injury isn't an omen.

Is there any other way to look at your new batting coach breaking his femur on the ceremonial first pitch?
. Wait, I didn't hear anything about this. What's the story?
Freak accident.  Femur busted when he was in the crouch to catch the first pitch.  Boom.  Same sort of thing happened to my best friend.  Turned out his parathyroid was all fucked up, made him totally calcium deficient hence the brittle bones.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 04, 2014, 03:39:49 pm
Better hope that Baylor injury isn't an omen.

Is there any other way to look at your new batting coach breaking his femur on the ceremonial first pitch?
. Wait, I didn't hear anything about this. What's the story?
Freak accident.  Femur busted when he was in the crouch to catch the first pitch.  Boom.  Same sort of thing happened to my best friend.  Turned out his parathyroid was all fucked up, made him totally calcium deficient hence the brittle bones.
Wow! I was envisioning him being the person who is throwing the pitch, your situation is less funny.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: chaz on April 04, 2014, 03:46:49 pm
Better hope that Baylor injury isn't an omen.

Is there any other way to look at your new batting coach breaking his femur on the ceremonial first pitch?
. Wait, I didn't hear anything about this. What's the story?
Freak accident.  Femur busted when he was in the crouch to catch the first pitch.  Boom.  Same sort of thing happened to my best friend.  Turned out his parathyroid was all fucked up, made him totally calcium deficient hence the brittle bones.
Wow! I was envisioning him being the person who is throwing the pitch, your situation is less funny.
Not my situation!  Video is hard to watch!  When it happened to my friend he was crouching down in a crowded club.  His wife was literally walking up to the stage to do her very first standup comedy open mic.  And pop!  He heard it go, down he went, and he screamed.

I guess the whole comedy club angle makes that one a little funny.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 04, 2014, 04:20:46 pm
some kid snapped his femur in a high school football game when i was a kid.  never will i forget the sound of the screaming. kind of helps to imagine it happening in a comedy club.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 04, 2014, 06:08:22 pm
Not my situation!  Video is hard to watch! 

Don Baylor Video (http://msn.foxsports.com/west/story/angels-hitting-coach-don-baylor-injured-on-ceremonial-first-pitch-033114)

I won't watch it again.

Turned out his parathyroid was all fucked up, made him totally calcium deficient hence the brittle bones.

Baylor was diagnosed in '03 with Multiple Myeloma, a cancer that weakens the bones.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 04, 2014, 06:18:55 pm
some kid snapped his femur in a high school football game when i was a kid.  never will i forget the sound of the screaming. kind of helps to imagine it happening in a comedy club.

When I was about 3 years old, my older sister and I shared a room via bunk beds.  She had the top, I had the bottom. 

She managed to get out through the barrier while sleeping and fell from the top to the ground, breaking her femur at about age 4.5.  Because kids grow so fast at that age, she was in traction and had a full waist plaster cast with a broom handle between her legs to set the femur so she wouldn't limp the rest of her life.  When she saw Baylor's injury, she cried.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 06, 2014, 04:36:01 pm
jered weaver's line today was something out of a video game.

5.2 IP
5 H
4 HR
5 ER
6 K
0 BB
7.94 ERA
0.88 WHIP !!

not sure i've ever seen anything like this.  all damage coming from none other than the fucking astros! 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 06, 2014, 04:41:46 pm
When I was about 3 years old, my older sister and I shared a room via bunk beds.  She had the top, I had the bottom. 
did you ever hear her making out with some dude like at night or anything like that? Was that weird for you?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 06, 2014, 07:05:12 pm
jered weaver's line today was something out of a video game.

not sure i've ever seen anything like this.  all damage coming from none other than the fucking astros! 

It was a HR or nothing against him today, and painful to watch.  They were way out too - not a single cheapie in the bunch.

Anaheim was 9-10 against the Astros last year.  That's not a problem....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 06, 2014, 07:06:38 pm
did you ever hear her making out with some dude like at night or anything like that? Was that weird for you?

My sister was promiscuous at a young age, but even 4 years old was a little early for her.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 06, 2014, 07:07:27 pm
did you ever hear her making out with some dude like at night or anything like that? Was that weird for you?

My sister was promiscuous at a young age, but even 4 years old was a little early for her.
well, you would have to admit that would've been pretty upsetting for you if you had overheard such a thing. I know it would've eaten at me to this very day had it been me.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 09, 2014, 06:40:34 pm
I threw my hat across the room when Hamilton dove head-first into first base last night.

Had to apologize to those in the room.

Now he's out two months and I take back my apology. 

What the hell is the matter with professional athletes?  These are no brainers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 09, 2014, 06:49:09 pm
I threw my hat across the room when Hamilton dove head-first into first base last night.

Had to apologize to those in the room.

Now he's out two months and I take back my apology. 
Trade him to the Rangers, they'll take him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on April 09, 2014, 07:44:41 pm
I threw my hat across the room when Hamilton dove head-first into first base last night.

Had to apologize to those in the room.

Now he's out two months and I take back my apology. 

What the hell is the matter with professional athletes?  These are no brainers.

He was my star player on my American League fantasy team.  I just replaced someone in this keeper league and that person didn't leave much to keep.  So I thought I got lucky when I got Hamilton cheap in the draft.  What I am saying this hurts me more than you.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 15, 2014, 01:32:06 pm
This is a good read. (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/46048/new-transfer-rule-creating-problems)  MLB's new interpretation of the transfer rule is a mess.  Maybe it's because I watch a lot of West Coast Baseball where it seems to be happening more often, but I've seen it about a half a dozen times now where what used to be a clear out in the outfield and a dropped transfer to the throwing hand is now called no catch.  But it's a nightmare for the base runners, who aren't getting help from the umpires on the base paths.

I really do hope a cagey outfielder intentionally drops a transfer soon and gets everybody out in the chaos. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2014, 05:45:06 pm
tommy john surgery is out of control...

i wonder if it would make any difference if you limited pitchers to 3 innings per game...

but i know relief pitchers have had to have tommy john too...think mariano rivera although wasn't he a starter at the beginning of his career?

either way, i'd be tempted as a manager to handle my pitchers unconventionally.... pitch them more often (in the case of starters) but for less innings)...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 15, 2014, 06:58:27 pm
I really do hope a cagey outfielder intentionally drops a transfer soon and gets everybody out in the chaos. 

cagey outfielder? is that the adjective used to describe someone (or something) as nicholas cage-like?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 15, 2014, 09:24:47 pm
tommy john surgery is out of control...

The one's you are seeing are too late to prevent.  The real fixes have to come in high school/college and year round club ball, where the majority of Tommy John surgeries are happening.  It's the damage done when they are young that causes the problems now.

If you have Soundlcoud, this conversation with Dr James Andrews (https://soundcloud.com/mlbnetworkradio/dr-james-andrews-physician-on) from last week is worth a listen on the issue.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 15, 2014, 09:29:21 pm
I really do hope a cagey outfielder intentionally drops a transfer soon and gets everybody out in the chaos. 

cagey outfielder? is that the adjective used to describe someone (or something) as nicholas cage-like?

Agreed.  That was a poor choice of words as I was rushing out of my office.  Cagey means suspicious.  I was probably going for cheeky, because I wanted something more than clever.  Clever with a hint of deviousness.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 16, 2014, 01:34:11 pm
Pour yourself s mojito, sit on the back deck, turn baseball on the radio, preferably Vin Scully's voice, and read this:

The Puig Story (http://www.lamag.com/features/2014/4/13/escape-from-cuba-yasiel-puigs-untold-journey-to-the-dodgers/print)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 23, 2014, 08:39:18 pm
Pineda is an idiot,  but I can't believe there wasn't a veteran in the clubhouse that didn't walk up to him and say "not this week,  kid.  Under no circumstances"
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 23, 2014, 08:52:27 pm
Pineda is an idiot,  but I can't believe there wasn't a veteran in the clubhouse that didn't walk up to him and say "not this week,  kid.  Under no circumstances"
I love it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 23, 2014, 09:41:54 pm
Pineda is an idiot,  but I can't believe there wasn't a veteran in the clubhouse that didn't walk up to him and say "not this week,  kid.  Under no circumstances"

maybe the yankees are lacking a veteran presence in the locker room.

just kidding, it's practically a retirement home over there.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 24, 2014, 11:34:11 am
Yankees and Pineda failed each other (http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-yorkyankees&city=newyork&i=TWT&id=72567&w=1dyah) 

Pretty spot on take of the situation.  Their failure continued in the dugout afterwards.  The only think I can think of is that they did talk to Pineda, and he ignored them, so they left him hanging.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: chaz on April 24, 2014, 03:40:36 pm
Put this in the Nats thread but probably should have just dropped it here. An interactive map of baseball fans and their favorite teams, broken down by zipcode.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/24/upshot/facebook-baseball-map.html#5,40.034,-80.567

Its just done by fb likes from that zipcode, wonder how accurate this really even is.

Either way, pretty awesome map.

Here's the full article with more nerdy stuff

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/23/upshot/24-upshot-baseball.html
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 24, 2014, 03:50:23 pm
This Tigers bullpen is killing me. I don't understand how we've made an effort this season and the last two to upgrade the pen and put big $$ into it and trade away guys for pen guys and they just hemmorage runs nightly. It's maddening. Loaded the bases last night and gave up the Grand slam to lose and a comedy of 85mph meatballs going again right now. Sigh. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 24, 2014, 03:52:16 pm
Also Alex Avila is a free steal any time a runner on first wants it. Gahhhhhh.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 25, 2014, 01:00:23 pm
This never should have happened in the first place.  What a disastrous month this was:

MLB Reverses Transfer Rule (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/mlb-clarifies-rule-on-transfer-of-ball-from-glove-to-hand?ymd=20140425&content_id=73313204&vkey=news_mlb)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 01:16:32 pm
This Tigers bullpen is killing me. I don't understand how we've made an effort this season and the last two to upgrade the pen and put big $$ into it and trade away guys for pen guys and they just hemmorage runs nightly. It's maddening. Loaded the bases last night and gave up the Grand slam to lose and a comedy of 85mph meatballs going again right now. Sigh. 

Nathan seems to have turned it around. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 25, 2014, 01:18:36 pm
This never should have happened in the first place.  What a disastrous month this was:

MLB Reverses Transfer Rule (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/mlb-clarifies-rule-on-transfer-of-ball-from-glove-to-hand?ymd=20140425&content_id=73313204&vkey=news_mlb)


Reminiscent of the 'Year of the Balk'.   Another catastrophe.  Now it's on to new pine tar rules!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 25, 2014, 01:25:30 pm
Reminiscent of the 'Year of the Balk'.   Another catastrophe.  Now it's on to new pine tar rules!

Oh yeah - the "complete stop" rule.  Dave Stewart couldn't figure that one out.  Another great example of bad rule enforcement.  What was the name of the Mariner who balked in like 1/3 of his appearances?

EDIT: Rod Scurry, better known from the Pittsburgh Cocaine days.  He balked 11 times that season in 31 1/3 innings.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 01:29:34 pm
This never should have happened in the first place.  What a disastrous month this was:

MLB Reverses Transfer Rule (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/mlb-clarifies-rule-on-transfer-of-ball-from-glove-to-hand?ymd=20140425&content_id=73313204&vkey=news_mlb)


Reminiscent of the 'Year of the Balk'.   Another catastrophe.  Now it's on to new pine tar rules!

I don't know what the Pine Tar rules is suppose to mean.  There is a rule that pitchers can't use it.  Simple rule.  I think the punishment should be stiffer.  How is suspending a guy for 10 games and paying him punishment.  Cheating seems to be encouraged in baseball.  Suspend them for 30 days without pay.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 25, 2014, 02:04:30 pm
I think many pitchers use it, especially in cold weather.  Most don't hide it on their necks though.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 02:06:03 pm
I think many pitchers use it, especially in cold weather.  Most don't hide it on their necks though.

Suspend them all.  Baseball needs to get their act together.  All the cheating that is going on is ruining the sport for me.  Doesn't anyone have any integrity in any sports? 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 25, 2014, 05:21:09 pm
from what i read its a rule that i commonly flouted (sic)  by everyone.. pineda was just too upfront about what he was doing after getting caught recently

personally if there is a rule it should always be enforced..i don't care about how cold it is

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 26, 2014, 09:53:56 am
Buck:

"Always, initial reaction is enforcing the letter of the rule," Showalter said. "My personal opinion is, instead of addressing the issue, they should address the problem. The problem is the baseball.

"We've been doing something pretty archaic for a long, long, long, long time and that's putting mud on it. The problem is, guys can't grip the ball. And you put mud on it and it's 40 degree, it gets slicker. If I'm a hitter or an opposing manager, I want you to be able to grip the baseball."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 26, 2014, 02:16:47 pm
MLB to review the rule AFTER the 2014 season:

MLB chief operating officer Rob Manfred offered a comment on the issue:

?I think the way that the rule has been enforced, as with lots of rules in baseball, is that when there?s a complaint, we do something about it,? MLB chief operating officer Rob Manfred said. ?And that?s what happened here. I don?t think that this particular incident is all that different from other incidents that we?ve had in the past. We will like we do every offseason look at this issue, but remember, pine tar is one of a number of foreign substances, and you have to have a rule that fits for all of them. I don?t think there?s anything all that different about the Pineda.?

The main reason most managers don't check pitchers like the Sox did,  us because you can't be certain that your guys aren't doing the same thing.  The Sox had no choice because Pineda was photographed the week before and then ESPN caught him on camera that inning.  Farrell had no choice because of the blatant video evidence.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2014, 09:34:40 am
just a dumb question:

does this mean that during the playoffs starting pitchers  are putting junk on the ball? how else can they pitch if its so hard to grip a ball in cold weather?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 27, 2014, 11:54:05 pm
Ladies and gentlemen,  your 2014 Angels.  Looks a lot like the 2013 Angels.  They haven't been over  .500 since opening day,  LAST SEASON.

A walk,  a K,  a walk,   passed ball,  a wild pitch (go ahead run scores) ,  HBP,  double play.

1 run on no hits,  no errors.  3-2 loss.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 29, 2014, 11:31:48 am
 MLB Local TV Announcer Ratings  (http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/your-mlb-local-tv-announcer-rankings.html)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 30, 2014, 02:17:12 am
MLB Local TV Announcer Ratings  (http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/your-mlb-local-tv-announcer-rankings.html)

I always MUTE Hawk and Harrelson.  The absolute worst homers in baseball.

Though I did just give away my Kuiper bobblehead from last week, I do think the Giants have a pretty good broadcast team.

But I always listen to Vinny when I can.  Even Angels-Dodgers games. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2014, 07:43:39 am

But I always listen to Vinny when I can.  Even Angels-Dodgers games. 

do people call him vinny?


but yeah...always a treat....a year ago or so i read the boys of summer and he was mentioned in there..... he's really one of the last links to brooklyn...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on April 30, 2014, 02:13:35 pm
MLB Local TV Announcer Ratings  (http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/your-mlb-local-tv-announcer-rankings.html)

I actually kind of sort of like FP. Bob is truly awful. Ray Knight is a joke, and Johnny Holliday is just sad, well past his sell-by date.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 30, 2014, 02:19:52 pm
MLB Local TV Announcer Ratings  (http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/your-mlb-local-tv-announcer-rankings.html)
My hatred of multiple required click-through is only surpassed by my love of Hawk being generally reviled. It's almost unlistenable.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on April 30, 2014, 03:00:31 pm
Was he always reviled? My wife is from the south side of Chicago and she remembers of time when he was beloved, and according to her at least, was good at his (announcing) trade.

MLB Local TV Announcer Ratings  (http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/your-mlb-local-tv-announcer-rankings.html)
My hatred of multiple required click-through is only surpassed by my love of Hawk being generally reviled. It's almost unlistenable.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 30, 2014, 03:03:22 pm
Was he always reviled? My wife is from the south side of Chicago and she remembers of time when he was beloved, and according to her at least, was good at his (announcing) trade.

MLB Local TV Announcer Ratings  (http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/your-mlb-local-tv-announcer-rankings.html)
My hatred of multiple required click-through is only surpassed by my love of Hawk being generally reviled. It's almost unlistenable.
I'm sure Sox fans love him. I've never met a non-Chicago person who didn't think he's the worst. He has like three trademark calls "you cannnnnn put it in the board," "he gone!," and, "Mercy!" that he uses to the point of self-parody. And is an obnoxious homer even by local-TV-guy standards.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 30, 2014, 03:16:51 pm
Also his complete lack of professionalism. He'll get upset about some minor slight and just go are you bleeping me for five minutes or he'll be sad about a homerun and literally won't talk for 90 seconds at a time. And he's the play-by-play guy. He won't even announce balls and strikes if he's in a bad mood will just going to one of these funks, it's ridiculous.

Also, on a personal note, I find any grown adult who self glosses themselves a ridiculous nickname to be just the worst. His name is Ken, but he insists on referring to himself in the third person as "The Hawk" to the point it's caught on. You're 65 years old, stop trying to give yourself a nickname; you're a loser.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 30, 2014, 05:05:08 pm

But I always listen to Vinny when I can.  Even Angels-Dodgers games. 

do people call him vinny?

Dodger fans in LA refer to him as "Vinny", yes.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2014, 05:07:53 pm

But I always listen to Vinny when I can.  Even Angels-Dodgers games. 

do people call him vinny?

Dodger fans in LA refer to him as "Vinny", yes.

ok good to know...my rehabilitation therapist's boyfriend has a vinny bobblehead on top of their tv..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2014, 05:09:31 pm
I can't stand the Nats announcers.. they are so boring, predictable and just don't sound right...santangelo is an idiot....I'll take the Orioles guys any day....

Jon Miller remains my template of what an announcer should be like...where's he at by the way?

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 01, 2014, 08:56:44 pm
Jon Miller remains my template of what an announcer should be like...where's he at by the way?

San Francisco, where he belongs.  I tip my hat to him as I head to my seats right in front of his booth at most games I attend.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 02, 2014, 11:24:32 am
Joel Hanrahan to Detroit a year off Tommy Johns. At worst, can't be worse than what we had on pen already. Terms not announced yet.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 02, 2014, 11:53:08 am
Joel Hanrahan to Detroit a year off Tommy Johns. At worst, can't be worse than what we had on pen already. Terms not announced yet.

Great flyer to take, assuming they didn't overspend (which I doubt they would have to).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 05, 2014, 03:52:51 pm
Terms not announced yet.

It's a great deal for Det:

$1 million guaranteed and a chance to make it $3 million with incentives.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 05, 2014, 04:24:59 pm
Terms not announced yet.

It's a great deal for Det:

$1 million guaranteed and a chance to make it $3 million with incentives.
Saw that. Incentives might be hard to hit since it looks like it'll be 6 weeks before he makes the big league team. Supposedly hit 93 with consistency in his trial for other teams.

My dad was in KC visiting fam and he and my uncle went to see the series with the Royals, sent me a txt message "Tigers look like best team in baseball, as long as they assassinate Phil Coke." Ha.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 08, 2014, 01:29:55 am
The Angels are 0-7 in games started by LHP Hector Santiago & 16-10 in games started by anyone else
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on May 08, 2014, 06:45:23 am
Is this the MLB thread or the Angels thread?

Maybe he should pitch with his right hand.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on May 08, 2014, 10:40:15 am
The Angels are 0-7 in games started by LHP Hector Santiago & 16-10 in games started by anyone else

Hows that guy Cron looking?  I picked him up on Sunday for my fantasy team. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 08, 2014, 12:04:30 pm
Hows that guy Cron looking?  I picked him up on Sunday for my fantasy team. 

There's no book on him, so he's taking advantage of the league not knowing how to pitch him.  He's doing fine with fastballs though.  The test, as always, will be if he can hit the breaking stuff.  With Ibanez hitting south of the Mendoza line right now, he'll get some AB's, though he's limited in AB's because he can only play first and there's a rejuvenated Pujols in front of him (and Pujols is better defensively).

I expect him to platoon with Ibanez when Hamilton and Calhoun come back.  He'll face the lefties, Ibanez gets the righties.  If it's a keeper league, then there's a future because he's the future 1B for the Halo's.  If it's one year league, ride him now, but temper expectations for when the Halo's get healthy.  It will probably take Ibanez getting released for him to make a big impact and I don't see that happening.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on May 08, 2014, 02:40:45 pm
Hows that guy Cron looking?  I picked him up on Sunday for my fantasy team. 

There's no book on him, so he's taking advantage of the league not knowing how to pitch him.  He's doing fine with fastballs though.  The test, as always, will be if he can hit the breaking stuff.  With Ibanez hitting south of the Mendoza line right now, he'll get some AB's, though he's limited in AB's because he can only play first and there's a rejuvenated Pujols in front of him (and Pujols is better defensively).

I expect him to platoon with Ibanez when Hamilton and Calhoun come back.  He'll face the lefties, Ibanez gets the righties.  If it's a keeper league, then there's a future because he's the future 1B for the Halo's.  If it's one year league, ride him now, but temper expectations for when the Halo's get healthy.  It will probably take Ibanez getting released for him to make a big impact and I don't see that happening.   

I have both Calhoun and Hamilton so I need somebody to hit until they get back.  Yeah it is an AL keeper league.  He seems to really have hit in the minors but he doesn't seem to be on top 100 prospect lists which I find confusing. I guess he can't field but that shouldn't matter in fantasy.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 11, 2014, 04:05:41 pm
Robbie Ray looked incredible again (albeit still not against elite company) but the Detroit bullpen is shitting it away for him. :(

My highly reactionary self is feeling slot better about trading away one of my favorite pitchers in Fister.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 12, 2014, 08:42:38 pm
Big rumor is that Fernandez is out for the season.  Such a bummer.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on May 12, 2014, 09:32:16 pm
Big rumor is that Fernandez is out for the season.  Such a bummer.

I thought you meant Felix.  Turns out some guy I never heard of.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 13, 2014, 12:20:50 am
Big rumor is that Fernandez is out for the season.  Such a bummer.

I thought you meant Felix.  Turns out some guy I never heard of.

Your fantasy baseball team must be awful if you've "never heard of"  last year's rookie of the year who finished 3rd in Cy Young last season.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 13, 2014, 12:32:27 am
Big rumor is that Fernandez is out for the season.  Such a bummer.

I thought you meant Felix.  Turns out some guy I never heard of.

who the fuck is felix fernandez?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on May 13, 2014, 11:10:16 am
Big rumor is that Fernandez is out for the season.  Such a bummer.

I thought you meant Felix.  Turns out some guy I never heard of.

Your fantasy baseball team must be awful if you've "never heard of"  last year's rookie of the year who finished 3rd in Cy Young last season.

Actually I am in first place.  And it is American League only.  Players in the National League are dead to me. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 13, 2014, 12:13:29 pm
Hows that guy Cron looking? 

I expect him to platoon with Ibanez when Hamilton and Calhoun come back.  He'll face the lefties, Ibanez gets the righties.  If it's a keeper league, then there's a future because he's the future 1B for the Halo's.  If it's one year league, ride him now, but temper expectations for when the Halo's get healthy.  It will probably take Ibanez getting released for him to make a big impact and I don't see that happening.   

There is talk of Ibanez being released.  Cron homered off a righty yesterday and has 11 hits in 28 at-bats.  Ibanez has 14 hits in 101 at-bats, and only 1 hit all season against lefties.  It's looking like the Angels are letting Cron hit more against righties, and facing all lefties.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 13, 2014, 02:17:46 pm
thanks, just added cron to my keeper league.  i might be too prospect heavy on my bench with cron, castellanos, and alex guerrerro (hurry up and get injured, dee gordon).  i've got nolan arenado too, but i suspect he'll continue to smash the ball.

anyone have any good waiver wire pitchers to pick up? my pitching is brutal... 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 13, 2014, 04:05:53 pm
thanks, just added cron to my keeper league.  i might be too prospect heavy on my bench with cron, castellanos, and alex guerrerro (hurry up and get injured, dee gordon).  i've got nolan arenado too, but i suspect he'll continue to smash the ball.

anyone have any good waiver wire pitchers to pick up? my pitching is brutal... 
Anyone in your league have Porcello? He's been fantastic since the all star break last year.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on May 13, 2014, 04:38:52 pm
Hows that guy Cron looking? 

I expect him to platoon with Ibanez when Hamilton and Calhoun come back.  He'll face the lefties, Ibanez gets the righties.  If it's a keeper league, then there's a future because he's the future 1B for the Halo's.  If it's one year league, ride him now, but temper expectations for when the Halo's get healthy.  It will probably take Ibanez getting released for him to make a big impact and I don't see that happening.   

There is talk of Ibanez being released.  Cron homered off a righty yesterday and has 11 hits in 28 at-bats.  Ibanez has 14 hits in 101 at-bats, and only 1 hit all season against lefties.  It's looking like the Angels are letting Cron hit more against righties, and facing all lefties.

Looks like Cron wont' be playing for a while with no DH against the Phillies.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 13, 2014, 04:46:20 pm
thanks, just added cron to my keeper league.  i might be too prospect heavy on my bench with cron, castellanos, and alex guerrerro (hurry up and get injured, dee gordon).  i've got nolan arenado too, but i suspect he'll continue to smash the ball.

anyone have any good waiver wire pitchers to pick up? my pitching is brutal... 
Anyone in your league have Porcello? He's been fantastic since the all star break last year.

porcello was drafted super early in our league.  like 6 rounds earlier than i would have even considered picking him up.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 14, 2014, 07:03:38 pm
does richards really have that potential?

Best game of the season today.  5 hits, no runs and most importantly no walks in 7 innings.  His strikeout to walk ratio is nearing 3-1.  4-0 now with a 2.42 ERA and a WHIP nearing 1.00
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 15, 2014, 12:17:17 am
Josh Reddick Using Wham's Careless Whisper as at-bat Music (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2063308-josh-reddick-using-whams-careless-whisper-as-at-bat-music-turns-into-huge-hit)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 15, 2014, 12:24:34 am
does richards really have that potential?

Best game of the season today.  5 hits, no runs and most importantly no walks in 7 innings.  His strikeout to walk ratio is nearing 3-1.  4-0 now with a 2.42 ERA and a WHIP nearing 1.00

aaastros next. won't be his best game of the season for long.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 15, 2014, 12:00:39 pm
aaastros next. won't be his best game of the season for long.

Buster wrote about him today, basically reiterating what I have been saying.  He throws hard (96 mph avg, top 3 among starters), his ball breaks ridiculously causing the most swings and misses out of the zone, and has kept the ball in the park (one HR in 52 innings, tied with Beuhrle). 

He and Skaggs have been the reason the Angels are 21-18 right now, compared to 15-24 a season ago.  Now what to do about the #5 starter.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 17, 2014, 09:44:56 pm
Real weird (inconsequential) obstruction/interference call in Boston/Detroit. Hope someone else saw it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on May 19, 2014, 10:24:23 am
Any recommendations for good food/brew near PNC Park?  Going to Pittsburgh tomorrow for the 2-game series.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 19, 2014, 05:48:48 pm
aaastros next. won't be his best game of the season for long.

Buster wrote about him today, basically reiterating what I have been saying.  He throws hard (96 mph avg, top 3 among starters), his ball breaks ridiculously causing the most swings and misses out of the zone, and has kept the ball in the park (one HR in 52 innings, tied with Beuhrle). 

He and Skaggs have been the reason the Angels are 21-18 right now, compared to 15-24 a season ago.  Now what to do about the #5 starter.....

richards vs. keuchel tonight should be a nice duel.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Yada on May 19, 2014, 10:28:38 pm
Any recommendations for good food/brew near PNC Park?  Going to Pittsburgh tomorrow for the 2-game series.

Meat and Potatoes is about a 15 minute walk, otherwise there are numerous places with in a few blocks of the stadium. Also noteworthy are the Sharp Edge and Fat Head's (not close to the stadium but worth a visit if you're in town for multiple days).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on May 20, 2014, 08:18:47 am
I second Fat Heads for the beer but definitely not the food.

Any recommendations for good food/brew near PNC Park?  Going to Pittsburgh tomorrow for the 2-game series.

Meat and Potatoes is about a 15 minute walk, otherwise there are numerous places with in a few blocks of the stadium. Also noteworthy are the Sharp Edge and Fat Head's (not close to the stadium but worth a visit if you're in town for multiple days).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Yada on May 20, 2014, 08:34:07 am
I second Fat Heads for the beer but definitely not the food.

Any recommendations for good food/brew near PNC Park?  Going to Pittsburgh tomorrow for the 2-game series.

Meat and Potatoes is about a 15 minute walk, otherwise there are numerous places with in a few blocks of the stadium. Also noteworthy are the Sharp Edge and Fat Head's (not close to the stadium but worth a visit if you're in town for multiple days).

(http://mksiemionko.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/debbie-downer.png)

It's actually quite delicious (definitely unhealthy) but great if you like bar food and not a vagetaririan*.

I'd recommend the pierogies.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on May 20, 2014, 09:50:17 am
Delicious if iceberg lettuce is your favorite salad green.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 20, 2014, 01:55:35 pm
aaastros next. won't be his best game of the season for long.

Unfortunately, the Halo's approached last night's game with the same mentality.  Anaheim had a losing record the Astros last season, and are 3-2 against them this season.

richards vs. keuchel tonight should be a nice duel.

I was finishing up a round of golf and missed the first inning, but it sounded like Richards was leaving his fastball in the zone a bit.  He eventually settled down and went 7, but Keuchel was a new man.  He was awful the first time I saw him (early April) but was my kind of lefty last night.  Not a hard thrower, but mixed his speeds up well and located his pitches.

It will be nice to get the offensive starters back, but they're still one injury to a starter away from collapse.     
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 20, 2014, 02:23:17 pm
i've read keuchel has legit-ace potential. i meant to watch the game last night, but when i got home from work and saw it was 5-0, i lost interest. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 20, 2014, 02:57:16 pm
Red Sox resigned Drew for $10m.  WTF?  The one team that didn't lose a draft pick in the Drew saga resigned him today?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 20, 2014, 03:03:24 pm
Red Sox resigned Drew for $10m.  WTF?  The one team that didn't lose a draft pick in the Drew saga resigned him today?
Yeah I was stunned by this.

Detroit should go after Quintanilla. EDIT: Or Clint Barnes.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 20, 2014, 10:32:05 pm
Miguel Olivo goes Mike Tyson on Cuban prospect Guerrero (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10961284/alex-guerrero-los-angeles-dodgers-involved-altercation-triple-teammate-miguel-olivo)

Olivo can pack his bags....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on May 20, 2014, 11:26:45 pm
Good lord, give the animal the death penalty.

Miguel Olivo goes Mike Tyson on Cuban prospect Guerrero (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10961284/alex-guerrero-los-angeles-dodgers-involved-altercation-triple-teammate-miguel-olivo)

Olivo can pack his bags....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 20, 2014, 11:52:31 pm
And Juan Juribe promptly pulls a hamstring.   Guerrero would have been called up for sure. You can't make this stuff up...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 21, 2014, 06:57:34 pm
Red Sox resigned Drew for $10m.  WTF?  The one team that didn't lose a draft pick in the Drew saga resigned him today?
Yeah I was stunned by this.

Buster makes a good read here:

If Drew had taken Boston's qualifying offer last fall, for $14.1 million, and then received another this fall -- when the QO's are expected to be about $16 million -- then he would've been in line to make $30 million over two seasons. He's now making $10 million for 2014, instead; is anyone confident he'll get a deal worth $20 million for 2015, to get to $30 million?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 21, 2014, 07:05:42 pm
And Juan Juribe promptly pulls a hamstring.  

Speaking of pulled hamstrings....

Trout is out with a pulled hammie tonight too.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 22, 2014, 12:18:46 am
Red Sox resigned Drew for $10m.  WTF?  The one team that didn't lose a draft pick in the Drew saga resigned him today?
Yeah I was stunned by this.

Buster makes a good read here:

If Drew had taken Boston's qualifying offer last fall, for $14.1 million, and then received another this fall -- when the QO's are expected to be about $16 million -- then he would've been in line to make $30 million over two seasons. He's now making $10 million for 2014, instead; is anyone confident he'll get a deal worth $20 million for 2015, to get to $30 million?

as a sox fan, it delights me whenever we get a boras-represented athlete for less.  does anyone else feel that way? it's like i keep a record of time he fools us, or we fool him. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 22, 2014, 12:46:00 am
it delights me whenever we get a boras-represented athlete for less.  does anyone else feel that way? it's like i keep a record of time he fools us, or we fool him. 

In complete agreement.  Jered Weaver's deal is still the best deal Anaheim has ever signed and Boras was pissed:

Jered Weaver admits he had to go against the advice of agent Scott Boras before agreeing to the Los Angeles Angels' five-year, $85 million contract extension, but he said the lure of staying home outweighed the seduction of greater riches.

"If $85 (million) is not enough to take care of my family and other generations of families then I'm pretty stupid, but how much money do you really need in life?" Weaver said Tuesday. "I've never played this game for the money. I played it for the love and the competitive part of it. It just so happens that baseball's going to be taking care of me for the rest of my life."

Boras, he said, wasn't so supportive of what amounts to a hometown discount.

"Obviously, he wants to give you the best options and free agency can give you the best options," Weaver said. "He would have liked to have seen me gone, but I told him I wanted to get something done and he was more than willing to work with me about it that way."

It's also what you get by not signing Boras ludicrous deals.  I'm loving watching Teixeira cost NY millions and not produce while reminding Angel fans that we have Trout as the compensation pick.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 22, 2014, 03:27:35 pm
Olivo can pack his bags....

Right on cue....

Olivo Cut from the Dodgers (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10970137/miguel-olivo-released-los-angeles-dodgers-biting-alex-guerrero-ear-dugout-altercation)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on May 22, 2014, 03:33:03 pm
Red Sox resigned Drew for $10m.  WTF?  The one team that didn't lose a draft pick in the Drew saga resigned him today?
Yeah I was stunned by this.

Buster makes a good read here:

If Drew had taken Boston's qualifying offer last fall, for $14.1 million, and then received another this fall -- when the QO's are expected to be about $16 million -- then he would've been in line to make $30 million over two seasons. He's now making $10 million for 2014, instead; is anyone confident he'll get a deal worth $20 million for 2015, to get to $30 million?

I am guessing if the Red Soxs make a qualifying offer this year he will take it.  Is he really  making 10 million or is it 10 million pro-rated?  I think the thing learned this off-season that is if you aren't a superstar take the qualifying offer.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 22, 2014, 07:50:07 pm
Is he really  making 10 million or is it 10 million pro-rated?  .

It's $10m from May 20 until the end of the season. 

Which is the exact same monthly rate as $14.1m from the start of the season to the end....and he missed 2 months.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on May 28, 2014, 12:52:58 pm
Fiddy Cents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FHj53QBHY
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 28, 2014, 01:16:44 pm
Fiddy Cents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FHj53QBHY

On the same night, Carlos Gomez' biggest fan (http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/2014/05/27/77090874/video-carlos-gomez-biggest-fan-threw-strike-first-pitch-jordan-hynum-brewers?partnerId=as_mlb_20140528_24795776) also threw out the first pitch:

(http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/2/3/8/77097238/cuts/Gomez_Fan_tvvit3v7_e03va7wy.gif)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on May 28, 2014, 08:32:47 pm
I thought 50 cents' throw was awesome....it just has me laughing all day.. just look at the shocked reactions of the people there....

I can't help but think he did it on purpose
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 29, 2014, 11:09:30 am
bought mlb.tv over the weekend.  watched my first "home" dodgers broadcast last night.  first vin scully experience!  i'm watching every single dodgers broadcast from now on.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 29, 2014, 06:23:46 pm
bought mlb.tv over the weekend.  watched my first "home" dodgers broadcast last night.  first vin scully experience!  i'm watching every single dodgers broadcast from now on.

I'm so fortunate to have grown up with that - and I didn't even like the Dodgers.  He does about 100 games a year - all games in LA and most of the Western US road games.

I had forgotten this when I turned on Beckett's no hitter about the 7th inning and he wasn't calling it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on May 29, 2014, 08:12:32 pm
bought mlb.tv over the weekend.  watched my first "home" dodgers broadcast last night.  first vin scully experience!  i'm watching every single dodgers broadcast from now on.

Dodgers are a great fun time to watch right now.... they seem to show their games on MLB Network on Verizon fios 586 a lot and I been enjoying them a ton...

Dodgers may be my favorite team to watch right now...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 30, 2014, 06:59:11 pm
David Freese traded to Angels
Updated: November 22, 2013, 2:52 PM ET
By Jerry Crasnick | ESPN.com

The St. Louis Cardinals have traded third baseman and former World Series MVP David Freese to the Los Angeles Angels for outfielder Peter Bourjos as part of a four-player trade, the teams confirmed Friday.

In addition to Freese, the Angels also will receive reliever Fernando Salas. The Cardinals, meanwhile, also will receive outfield prospect Randal Grichuk.

It would have been pretty ironic if they had sent down Bourjos (hitting .211) to bring up Grichuck....luckily for Bourjos, Robinson was hitting .152.

Cards Call up Grichuck (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11007778/st-louis-cardinals-recall-randal-grichuk-option-shane-robinson)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 31, 2014, 01:18:16 pm
bought mlb.tv over the weekend.  watched my first "home" dodgers broadcast last night.  first vin scully experience!  i'm watching every single dodgers broadcast from now on.

I'm so fortunate to have grown up with that - and I didn't even like the Dodgers.  He does about 100 games a year - all games in LA and most of the Western US road games.

I had forgotten this when I turned on Beckett's no hitter about the 7th inning and he wasn't calling it.

kind of fitting that he didn't call beckett's game.  i've followed josh beckett's career since the early marlin's days, from his headcase days until a few years ago when he started mailing it in with the sox.  i'm not sure there's any person less-deserving than him to have the honor of vin call his no-hitter.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on May 31, 2014, 01:19:20 pm
bought mlb.tv over the weekend.  watched my first "home" dodgers broadcast last night.  first vin scully experience!  i'm watching every single dodgers broadcast from now on.

Dodgers are a great fun time to watch right now.... they seem to show their games on MLB Network on Verizon fios 586 a lot and I been enjoying them a ton...

Dodgers may be my favorite team to watch right now...

agree.  i'll watch dodgers over any team right now.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 03, 2014, 07:33:38 pm
@BudNorris25  Sorry but this Singleton deal is terrible. Wish Jon listened to the union and not his agent.


Bud Norris, aged 29, in his 7th year of Major League Service, $9.6 million in career earnings, can be a free agent at age 31.

Jon Singleton, aged 22, no major league experience, $10 million in career earnings guaranteed, 3 club options can balloon the deal to $30 million, can be a free agent at age 30.

I'm looking forward to watching him in about 30 mins. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: atomic on June 03, 2014, 10:40:12 pm
Why do the Angels insist on starting Ibanez over Cron?  Just release Ibanez already.  He is done.  Hitting worse than a pitcher.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 04, 2014, 12:27:21 pm
Why do the Angels insist on starting Ibanez over Cron?  Just release Ibanez already.  He is done.  Hitting worse than a pitcher.

It's inevitable with Cron (hitting better against righties than anyone expected), Cowgill hitting almost .290 and Calhoun, despite hitting .227, all hitting better than Ibanez.  Unless he's willing to take over Lefty pinch hit duties, the return of Josh Hamilton will just about signal the end for him.   

His AB with one out and runner on third last night was among the worst I've seen from him.  All he needed was a ground ball or a fly ball and he gets an RBI - instead he pops out, in foul territory, to the first baseman. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2014, 01:22:09 pm
Cron's job is safe, even if his AB's might suffer.  The real loser is Grant Green, hitting .359 this season in 22 games, as he was sent down and Ibanez was kept on the roster.

It's a joke now with him hitting below .150....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on June 11, 2014, 04:32:08 pm
(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/Cespedes-throw-2-061014.gif)
yikes
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2014, 04:58:09 pm
yikes

That was the third Angel runner I'd seen him throw out at home in the last week and half, and the third Angel thrown out at home or third in that game.  I threw my glasses across the room and when I went to put them on this morning, they split in the middle.  I'm sure it was just a coincidence....

That throw is ridiculously great, and the audacity to look back after he dropped the ball to almost challenge Kendrick to run on him is amazing.  If you get a chance to watch the whole video, you should - his celebration is so subdued, his smirk is almost "yeah, I just did that and I'll do it again if I have to."  Amazing.  I was so pissed and yet in awe.

Edit: Here you go - the full video. (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/oak/richard-justice-yoenis-cespedes-arm-part-of-an-amazing-package?ymd=20140611&content_id=79246610&vkey=news_oak)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on June 11, 2014, 05:07:51 pm
yeah the full video tells a betetr story but the gif shows just how far he threw the damn ball on the fly. you just dont see throws like that from left field

i love that he totally botches the pick up, inexplicably pauses before running after it, then unleashes that. the reaction of black shirt/red hat fan behind home plate says it all

of course plays like this bring out all sorts of "ive seen better" curmudgeons, but thats objectively one of the best throws youll ever see. ive watched the video a few dozen times and my jaw still drops.

credit to norris for playing it perfectly on his end too. would have been a damn shame for a throw that good to be for nothing cuz the catcher messed up
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2014, 06:02:17 pm
yeah the full video tells a betetr story but the gif shows just how far he threw the damn ball on the fly. you just dont see throws like that from left field

They (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11065561/yoenis-cespedes-throw-los-angeles-angels-hailed-special) measured it to be about 300 feet in 2.78 seconds.


of course plays like this bring out all sorts of "ive seen better" curmudgeons, but thats objectively one of the best throws youll ever see. ive watched the video a few dozen times and my jaw still drops.

I'm an Andy Van Slyke lover, will defend him until the day I die.  That throw is better than any Van Slyke throw I can remember, and he had a cannon.   

credit to norris for playing it perfectly on his end too. would have been a damn shame for a throw that good to be for nothing cuz the catcher messed up

Scioscia came out to have them take a look to see if Norris blocked the plate, but to no avail.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on June 12, 2014, 01:46:26 am
http://deadspin.com/yoenis-cespedes-made-another-awesome-throw-to-get-a-bas-1589739878

this guy
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 12, 2014, 11:47:33 am
http://deadspin.com/yoenis-cespedes-made-another-awesome-throw-to-get-a-bas-1589739878

this guy

Throwing out an aging Pujols coming off of foot surgery is not as impressive as Kendrick.  He never should have run - that was two nights in a row that Pujols ran through a stop sign from Discarcina at third, and three times in two weeks.  He was out every time by at least 2-3 feet.  Thankfully, I didn't throw anything this time...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on June 12, 2014, 12:06:00 pm
I cannot believe the canon Cespedes has...unreal
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 12, 2014, 02:10:52 pm
Lackey is signed to pitch for the Red Sox next season for $500k.  How did I not know this?

Apparently, when he signed with them, they knew his elbow wouldn't hold up, so he agreed that if he missed a season due to surgery, he would pitch an additional season for $500k.

Crazy, though I bet the Sox add cash to it with the way he's throwing.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 19, 2014, 12:37:34 am
Not sure how this no-hitter ends,  but Mattingly's a dick for not put the Cuban kid in as a defensive replacement for the injured Hanram in the 7th up 8 runs..... Could have been perfect.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on June 19, 2014, 01:17:20 am
the bubble party in the post-game interview was the best.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 21, 2014, 07:15:44 pm
Ibanez released.  Finally.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on June 21, 2014, 08:54:09 pm
Not sure how this no-hitter ends,  but Mattingly's a dick for not put the Cuban kid in as a defensive replacement for the injured Hanram in the 7th up 8 runs..... Could have been perfect.

Mattingly has always struck me as a bit incompetent... maybe I'm wrong..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 26, 2014, 11:10:25 pm
Porcello just pitched his best game in the bigs. Complete game shut out 3-hitter. Not too shabby for a #4 pitcher. Never would've thought he'd be Tigers first pitcher to ten wins. Making the decision to trade Fister away look pretty OK.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 26, 2014, 11:21:57 pm
Porcello just pitched his best game in the bigs. Complete game shut out 3-hitter. Not too shabby for a #4 pitcher. Never would've thought he'd be Tigers first pitcher to ten wins. Making the decision to trade Fister away look pretty OK.

I did.  I've always liked his makeup...

Doug Fister to the Nats for three players!

In exchange, the Nationals sent infielder Steve Lombardozzi, left-hander Ian Krol and minor league lefty Robbie Ray to the Tigers.

I guess I'm not getting Rick Porcello.  Dammit.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 27, 2014, 07:34:00 pm
Frieri for Grili.

The classic,  my problem for your problem trade.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 27, 2014, 11:32:18 pm
That Mike Trout blast was ridiculous.  :o
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 30, 2014, 04:16:24 pm
That Mike Trout blast was ridiculous.  :o

Has it come down yet?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 30, 2014, 04:16:52 pm
Head explodes:

Leaked: 10 Months Of The Houston Astros' Internal Trade Talks (http://deadspin.com/leaked-10-months-of-the-houston-astros-internal-trade-1597951970)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 30, 2014, 04:20:57 pm
Head explodes:

Leaked: 10 Months Of The Houston Astros' Internal Trade Talks (http://deadspin.com/leaked-10-months-of-the-houston-astros-internal-trade-1597951970)
Welp, no one will hear from Smackie for at least two weeks...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 01, 2014, 09:24:33 pm
Another complete game 4H shutout for my boy Porcello, this time against mighty Oakland. Here's what made it weird: 94 pitches, 0 strikeouts, 0 walks, ~2:10 for entire game.

If he isn't in the all star team I will flip out.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 01, 2014, 11:47:34 pm
epic 7-2-4 little league triple play in the dodgers/indians game just now, complete with two umpire reviews.   

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 02, 2014, 01:17:54 am
epic 7-2-4 little league triple play in the dodgers/indians game just now, complete with two umpire reviews.   

Vin Scully ‏@VinScully
"Let's get back to this Looney Tunes of a ballgame."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 02, 2014, 11:48:00 am
epic 7-2-4 little league triple play in the dodgers/indians game just now, complete with two umpire reviews.   

Vin Scully ‏@VinScully
"Let's get back to this Looney Tunes of a ballgame."

he was confused for a good 2 minutes calling it a double play.  but yeah, that game was entertaining but nearly unwatchable.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 03, 2014, 01:34:35 pm
Why has no collection of fans from one league started a campaign to flood all star voting for the worst players from the other league in an effort to sabotage the game and get home field advantage in WS?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 03, 2014, 02:16:06 pm
Why has no collection of fans from one league started a campaign to flood all star voting for the worst players from the other league in an effort to sabotage the game and get home field advantage in WS?

because it would take hundreds of thousands of votes all in the effort to "humiliate" someone who swings a stick and catches and throws and runs a couple a times a day for 2/3 of the year while making 6+ figures. and plus, they'd decline.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 03, 2014, 03:23:22 pm
Why has no collection of fans from one league started a campaign to flood all star voting for the worst players from the other league in an effort to sabotage the game and get home field advantage in WS?

because it would take hundreds of thousands of votes all in the effort to "humiliate" someone who swings a stick and catches and throws and runs a couple a times a day for 2/3 of the year while making 6+ figures. and plus, they'd decline.
So you're in, then?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 03, 2014, 03:29:56 pm
I'm pretty sure the votefortheworst domain is available again if you're up for the challenge....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 03, 2014, 03:32:20 pm
I'm pretty sure the votefortheworst domain is available again if you're up for the challenge....
Smackie, its too late for this season, but I feel like you and I can single-handedly lead the AL to home field in the 2015 World Series. This could be the very springboard you need to get that elusive GM job!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 03, 2014, 03:34:04 pm
plus, they'd decline.
TAN: if you set the over/under at 4.5 for how many of the crappy 8 starters would actually accept and play, I'd take the over. Never underestimate ego.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 03, 2014, 04:00:52 pm
Yankees reliever Alfredo Aceves has been suspended for 50 games without pay for a second positive test of a "drug of abuse."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 03, 2014, 04:05:42 pm
plus, they'd decline.
TAN: if you set the over/under at 4.5 for how many of the crappy 8 starters would actually accept and play, I'd take the over. Never underestimate ego.

under.

counterpoint: never underestimate that bullshit "for the integrity of the game" nonsense.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 04, 2014, 10:58:23 pm
ok smackie, resident GM, how did beane pull this one off??
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 04, 2014, 11:01:01 pm
ok smackie, resident GM, how did beane pull this one off??

I have no idea,  but he ruined my 4th of July.

Samardzija and Hammel for Russell, McKinney, Straily, PTBNL.

The big prospect is a short stop.  The Cubs already have Startin Castro.  Baffling.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 05, 2014, 06:22:26 pm
ok smackie, resident GM, how did beane pull this one off??

I have no idea,  but he ruined my 4th of July.

Samardzija and Hammel for Russell, McKinney, Straily, PTBNL.

The big prospect is a short stop.  The Cubs already have Startin Castro.  Baffling.

2018 Cubs Lineup:

C - Kyle Schwarber
1B - Anthony Rizzo
2B - Addison Russell
SS - Starlin Castro
3B - Kris Bryant
OF - Javier Baez
OF - Junior Lake
OF - Bryce Harpor
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 05, 2014, 08:08:42 pm
theo's major SS moves as GM with the red sox, 2004-2011:
trades franchise SS nomar garciaparra, receives orlando cabrera
lets cabrera walk after season, signs edgar renteria long-term
trades renteria to atlanta after first season, pays majority of his contract
signs alex gonzalez for 2006
lets gonzalez walk, signs julio lugo for a 4-year deal
trades top SS prospect (largely believed to be untouchable) hanley ramirez to the marlins for josh beckett and the falsely reported corpse of mike lowell
lugo a disaster, run out of town by 2007
prospect jed lowrie steps in for 2008, 2009. can't stay healthy.
sign marco scutaro for 2010, despite lowrie being capable

does this position haunt him so much that he needs to stockpile the top 3 talents at the position, just so he isn't burned again? i think so.


Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 05, 2014, 09:31:07 pm
That's some quality analysis, wiz.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 06, 2014, 03:58:07 am
That's some quality analysis, wiz.

the beauty of it is oakland's current SS (lowrie) is theo's old trash.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 07, 2014, 11:45:03 am
Good news Julian -

Trout, Cabrera pass on HR Derby (http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar14/story/_/id/11184822/mike-trout-miguel-cabrera-bow-home-run-derby)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 07, 2014, 12:40:29 pm
Good news Julian -

Trout, Cabrera pass on HR Derby (http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar14/story/_/id/11184822/mike-trout-miguel-cabrera-bow-home-run-derby)
Im more irked Porcello got left off.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 07, 2014, 01:04:38 pm
Im more irked Porcello got left off.

I feel the same way about Richards, but it's hard to get upset when Chris Sale was left off.  I would probably rank him first, despite the injury.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 07, 2014, 02:52:22 pm
Im more irked Porcello got left off.

I feel the same way about Richards, but it's hard to get upset when Chris Sale was left off.  I would probably rank him first, despite the injury.
Agreed. If I'm being objective, the Sale omission is the most egregious.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 08, 2014, 09:55:52 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/07/08/is-the-home-run-derby-going-the-way-of-the-nbas-slam-dunk-contest/
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 08, 2014, 10:20:53 am
ANAHEIM -- With Monday night's 5-2 win over Toronto, the Angels evened their franchise record at 4,272-4,272-3 and reached the .500 plateau for the first time since they were 1-1 as an expansion team in 1961.

The Angels became the first expansion franchise with an all-time record at or above .500 and the 13th franchise in the Majors with the distinction.

Among expansion teams, Arizona (25 games below .500) and Toronto (62 games below .500) are the closest to the milestone. The Padres (531 games) and Mariners (390 games) are the furthest from the mark.

When manager Mike Scioscia began managing the Angels in 2000, the franchise was 213 games under .500. He has gone 1,285-1,071.

Los Angeles has won 11 straight at home and five in a row overall to notch the landmark win.

The Yankees lead the Majors with an all-time record that is 2,379 games above .500.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 08, 2014, 01:24:11 pm
Thanks for sharing, shemp.  I had missed that stat.

This team is fun to watch again, but I still don't trust the bullpen.  One more deal for a serious arm would make smackie a very happy man.

Also, I couldn't help but see the parallels last night between the Angels season and the Ducks season, right down to making an already good team better with a trade (Gaborik/Smardzjia) .  The major difference is winning the AL West will be 10 times more important than winning the Pacific Division.  Anything could happen in a one game playoff....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 08, 2014, 06:48:40 pm
Cespedes did not learn his lesson.  Amazing....but good for my team.


AL: Jose Bautista (captain), Yoenis Cespedes, Brian Dozier and Adam Jones.
NL: Troy Tulowitzki (captain), Yasiel Puig, Giancarlo Stanton and Todd Frazier.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 08, 2014, 08:32:31 pm
Dodgers v Tigers is fantastic... unless you like pitching.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 09, 2014, 05:12:01 pm
Tanaka to the DL, MRI on elbow scheduled.  I feel badly for the guy, but F the Yankees.

Also means that whomever finishes second in the vote getting will likely make the team.  That is currently Garret Richards.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 10, 2014, 12:55:24 pm
Tanaka to the DL, MRI on elbow scheduled.  I feel badly for the guy, but F the Yankees.

Also means that whomever finishes second in the vote getting will likely make the team.  That is currently Garret Richards.

Or not.

"Red Sox closer Koji Uehara will replace Masahiro Tanaka on the American League ‪#‎ASG‬ roster."

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 10, 2014, 07:21:59 pm
Cespedes did not learn his lesson.  Amazing....but good for my team.


AL: Jose Bautista (captain), Yoenis Cespedes, Brian Dozier and Adam Jones.
NL: Troy Tulowitzki (captain), Yasiel Puig, Giancarlo Stanton and Todd Frazier.

Josh Donaldson, too.  That's great news for my Angels!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 10, 2014, 09:58:07 pm
Tanaka to the DL, MRI on elbow scheduled.  I feel badly for the guy, but F the Yankees.

Also means that whomever finishes second in the vote getting will likely make the team.  That is currently Garret Richards.

Or not.

"Red Sox closer Koji Uehara will replace Masahiro Tanaka on the American League ‪#‎ASG‬ roster."

i think garrett richards gets the nod if tanaka gets injured one day later.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2014, 11:50:30 am
Is Spring Training important?

Stephen Drew is hitting .131
Kendrys Morales is hitting .230
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Stillwater on July 11, 2014, 01:56:40 pm
Drew had an entire season before hitting like that in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 16, 2014, 12:03:29 pm
Interesting stuff from yesterday's Boswell chat.....

Q.
WHO YOU GOT...
...on your team at shortstop, Ripken or Jeter?


A.
THOMAS BOSWELL :
Thanks. Talk about the Question of Questions (for today at least).

I would take Ripken, by a small margin, because he was a far better defensive player.

But most stat analysts would take Ripken by a fairly large margin. Go ahead and be shocked. I am.

Both FanGraphs and Baseball Reference have their own methods for defining the total value of a player. But they come up with similar results. They call it WAR -- Wins Above Replacement. But the acronym covers the basic fact: They think they can rank 'em (statistically) and they do.

The conclusion of both is that Ripken was one of the best defensive players in history at any position and the third-best defensive shortstop ever (behind Ozzie Smith and Mark Belanger) while Jeter is one of the very worst defensive shortstops ever. In fact, out of 546 shortstops, going back to the 19th century BaseballReferfence ranks Jeter as the 25th worst ever -- or thee 521st best, if you want to put it that way --with a NEGATIVE value in runs to his team for his defense.

Both sources consider Jeter a far better offensive player -- almost twice as good, perhaps.

This syncs with what I have said for 25 years about Ripken -- absolutely fabulous defensive player at SS, but only a good hitter. That's a main reason his streak is so valid -- would you say that Ozzie Smith should take a few days off a season if his hitting slumps a little? Of course not. His defense has enormous value, so never bench it when he's healthy.)

BaseballReference:

Ripken is the 36th best player in history (including pitchers) with a value of 95.5 wins (above an easy to acquire replacement player). Ripken ranks between Pujols and Clemente.

Jeter is the 57th best player ever with a WAR of  72.1. He's just below Larry Walker (!???) and Harry Heilman and just above Rafael Palmeiro and Johny Mize.

See, I told you it would make you want to scream -- one way or the other,

FanGraphs also has Cal as the 36th best player (including pitchers) with a value of 92.5 extra wins for his team.

Jeter is 69th with a value of 74.4 wins.

Here's the killer, for bar arguments. FanGraphs -- which carries plenty of weight in baseball these days --gives Jeeter an offensive value of +361.6 runs to Ripken's +165.4.

But on defense, Ripken is the fifth best defender in history with a value of 310.1 runs to the O's, behind only Ozzie Smith, Brooks Robinson, Belanger and catcher Ivan (Pudge) Rodriguez with +310.1 runs. While Jeter has a career value of -24.4 runs!

This goes right to the core of the way many teams are currently built with a big weight on sabermetrics and defensive value.

Okay, you want to know. Here are the worst defensive players in history. (Remember, the longer you play the more negative defensive WAR you can build up.) Gary Sheffield, Manny Ramirez, Frank Thomas, Adam Dunn (!) and Dave Winfield.

DAVE WINFIELD!?????

This is why the current valuation arguments get SO loud in baseball.

And here are the five best fielding pitchers ever and their value in runs.

Maddox +185.6

Glavine 169.5

Spahn 146.7

Carlton 145

CY YOUNG +142.

Livan Hernandez is 10th despite far less innings pitched.

I'd say "discuss among yourselves" but I bet "discuss is much too mild a term.

As I said, give me Cal by a hair -- not >30 spots in all-time ranking.

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 16, 2014, 12:22:04 pm
dWAR, visualized: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdp-pSA8kc
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on July 16, 2014, 01:44:06 pm
All this emotional outpouring toward Jeter, I just don't get it. You'd think he has Lou Gehrig's disease or something. Instead, he gets to retire and enjoy his millions and watch his nephew grow up with his boyfriend.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2014, 05:31:19 pm
I don't know why Jeter couldn't have just retired without alll this farewelll tour ballyhoo...seems unecessary and kinda embarassing


heck of a ballplayer.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 18, 2014, 03:56:13 pm
Ugla released outright.

Who takes a chance on him at $150k?  Giants?  Dodgers? A's?  The O's need a 2B, right?  He'd do well in that tiny park.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 18, 2014, 05:35:26 pm
Ugla released outright.

Who takes a chance on him at $150k?  Giants?  Dodgers? A's?  The O's need a 2B, right?  He'd do well in that tiny park.

if the sox really are looking to make a move, maybe them. convert him to outfield or third base, move bogaerts back to SS, and hope the left field wall treats him well.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 18, 2014, 06:00:07 pm
wow, astros fail to sign top pick brady aiken. reminds me a lot of the controversy of signing harper and strasburg... i think it was strasburg who came down to the wire for signing. it's kind of refreshing to think about how far the nats organization has come.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 18, 2014, 06:14:28 pm
wow, astros fail to sign top pick brady aiken. reminds me a lot of the controversy of signing harper and strasburg... i think it was strasburg who came down to the wire for signing. it's kind of refreshing to think about how far the nats organization has come.

It's pretty unbelievable. 

The last 3 that didn't sign (and weren't eligible for NCAA, which might be the case here) became free agents.  I really can't see MLB letting that happen in this case.  Start the bidding at what, $20 million?

Grievances are sure to be filed, but this is a disaster for MLB.   

Also, if they screwed over Jacob Nix too in this mess, it will be a MAJOR cluster-F for MLB.

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 18, 2014, 06:16:26 pm
Also, I believe the Angels have just acquired Huston Street.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 18, 2014, 06:21:57 pm
Also, I believe the Angels have just acquired Huston Street.

congrats. it blows my mind he's only 30.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 21, 2014, 06:16:32 pm
Ugla released outright.

Who takes a chance on him at $150k?  Giants? 

It is apparently the Giants, to a minor league deal, so not even $150k.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 22, 2014, 01:40:24 pm
Yankees got Headley from the Padres.  He'll like that small park.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 23, 2014, 01:55:04 pm
Oh, and what was that thing about HR Derby participation and swing mechanics?


Brian Dozier (1)
Jose Bautista   
Adam Jones (3)      
Josh Donaldson (1)   
Yoenis Cespedes (strangely, hasn't hit a HR since June 19)

Todd Frazier
Troy Tulowitzki (on the DL)
Yasiel Puig
Giancarlo Stanton (2)
Justin Morneau (on he DL)

This one could go on for a while....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 23, 2014, 10:35:46 pm
Tigers got Soria  for two prospects.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 24, 2014, 08:38:30 am
Tigers got Soria  for two prospects.
Oh, wow, I went to sleep before this news came out. Our #3 and #5 prospects (in a very weak farm system). Not a bad price, especially since he has a $7mil option for next season if he doesn't immediately become a tire fire the second he puts on the Olde English D like every other reliever we've went out and signed in the last 4 years.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 24, 2014, 11:25:52 am
Oh, and what was that thing about HR Derby participation and swing mechanics?

Jose Bautista   
Yoenis Cespedes *Injured wrist last night swinging, might go back on DL

Troy Tulowitzki (on the DL)
Yasiel Puig
Justin Morneau (on the DL)

This one could go on for a while....

Brian Dozier
Adam Jones      
Josh Donaldson
Todd Frazier
Giancarlo Stanton
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 24, 2014, 11:44:25 am
Scherzer v Richards tonight.  Ought to be a great one.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 24, 2014, 12:08:35 pm
Scherzer v Richards tonight.  Ought to be a great one.
Ehh, the Tigers have - what? - 1 win in their last 10 in Anaheim? We just don't win there.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 24, 2014, 02:47:55 pm
Kendrys Morales traded BACK to the Mariners for pitcher Stephen Pryor.  WTF?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 24, 2014, 04:42:37 pm
Kendrys Morales traded BACK to the Mariners for pitcher Stephen Pryor.  WTF?

i'm hoping seattle isn't done making moves. there's nothing i want to see more than seattle in that one-game playoff series.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 25, 2014, 12:58:20 am
Austin Jackson is having an amazing game offensively and defensively.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 25, 2014, 11:37:23 am
Austin Jackson is having an amazing game offensively and defensively.

So did Kole Calhoun, but it was wasted.  I was hoping to never see Richards do what he did last night again, but he started thinking about his press with the 3-1 lead and before he knew it, it was 4-3.  He's got to stay focused and finish the job.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 25, 2014, 11:40:36 am
there's nothing i want to see more than seattle in that one-game playoff series.

This kept me up last night after the Halo's lost another game in the standings to the A's with Richards on the mound.

Do I really like my chances in one game playoff against Hernandez, Tanaka or Price?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 25, 2014, 11:40:52 am
Yeah, that was a good game, but man am I dragging today with that ending at 1:30a on this coast.

If Tigers can win one more and come away with a split in Anaheim, it's practically a goshdarn watershed moment at this point considering the way Anaheim has beaten them like a washed-up stripped the last few years.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 26, 2014, 11:19:18 am
Cards pickup AJ Pierzynski.

Giants trade for Jake Peavy.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 26, 2014, 09:54:48 pm
I think the Dodgers just traded Seager for Lester.

Not yet.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 28, 2014, 03:45:16 pm
matt kemp being traded and having his contract subsidized by the dodgers seem inevitable, but to whom?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 28, 2014, 03:49:12 pm
matt kemp being traded and having his contract subsidized by the dodgers seem inevitable, but to whom?

I thought it was finished for Lester over the weekend,  but it was a false alarm.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 30, 2014, 08:40:23 am
Tigers got Soria  for two prospects.
1/3rd IP, 4 ER

I swear the Tigers bullpen has to be inhaling whippets and glue during the games or there's a gas leak that magically follows them on the road.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2014, 11:40:33 am
I thought it was finished for Lester over the weekend,  but it was a false alarm.

Lester scratched from his start today. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on July 30, 2014, 12:58:34 pm
Crossing fingers he will be a loan to Baltimore.  Although I know it's unlikely.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 30, 2014, 02:24:15 pm
My predictions:

It's gonna be Pitt.  Masterson to StL most likely rules them out (and probably means Price is off the block), LAD will keep Kemp (despite my earlier post), and Seattle will trade a couple bums for Marlon Byrd. 

for those interested in following lester trade speculation: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84738-trading-jon-lester-news-and-speculation-thread/page-18
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2014, 02:40:10 pm
My predictions:

It's gonna be Pitt.  Masterson to StL most likely rules them out (and probably means Price is off the block), LAD will keep Kemp (despite my earlier post), and Seattle will trade a couple bums for Marlon Byrd. 

for those interested in following lester trade speculation: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84738-trading-jon-lester-news-and-speculation-thread/page-18

I hate to do this, but I think Billy Beane pulls some crap out of his a$$ this afternoon and Lester goes to Oakland, probably part of a multiple team trade (Tommy Millone likely part of it).  The only thing that could possibly derail this is Oakland getting CarGo instead, which is probably better for that team anyway.

Pittsburgh gets AJ Burnett.

The Dodgers get Cole Hamels for Kemp and a prospect (I have no idea how the cash works in that one).

I agree Byrd goes to Seattle, with the Phils picking up part of the vesting option to up the prospect and for Byrd to waive his no-trade clause. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 30, 2014, 03:49:35 pm
Crossing fingers he will be a loan to Baltimore.  Although I know it's unlikely.

Would you give up Gausman?  Bundy?    

...

The Orioles are in advanced talks that would send a pitcher to Boston in exchange for Jon Lester, reports Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe (on Twitter). MLB.com?s Britt Ghiroli tweets that the two sides are ?close? to a deal.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2014, 04:47:51 pm
Crossing fingers he will be a loan to Baltimore.  Although I know it's unlikely.

Would you give up Gausman?  Bundy?    

The rumor is the key figure is Miguel Gonzalez....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 30, 2014, 06:04:11 pm
Crossing fingers he will be a loan to Baltimore.  Although I know it's unlikely.

Would you give up Gausman?  Bundy?    

The rumor is the key figure is Miguel Gonzalez....

I'd say the rumors are wrong and the Sox want Gausman or Bundy.  If they get Miggy they're settling. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2014, 06:30:15 pm
I'd say the rumors are wrong and the Sox want Gausman or Bundy.  If they get Miggy they're settling. 

I'm sorry - when I said key figure, that's who the O's apparently offered.

I don't think the O's will give up Gausman or Bundy for a two month rental - I certainly wouldn't.  Gonzalez is under control for 4 more years and not even arb eligible until 2015, so it's enticing enough to take a look.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 01:54:02 am
you're talking about trading in division, which means if the orioles want to get the deal done, basically they will get robbed.  you don't want lester.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 09:55:56 am
Confirmed: Lester to #Athletics. Gomes to OAK as well for Cespedes
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 10:30:30 am
Confirmed: Lester to #Athletics. Gomes to OAK as well for Cespedes
Boston just made out like bandits. Holy shit.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2014, 10:30:39 am
Billy wants it and he wants it bad.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 11:25:51 am
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A++++++++ would trade again
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 11:33:36 am
Tommy Millone to Minn for Sam Fuld.

Billy has ruined my morning.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 11:39:29 am
A+

I'm assuming this is grade you're giving me for calling Oakland getting Lester?

I don't think Boston is making out as much as everyone thinks.  Cespedes is a free agent in 2015 - Oakland knew they couldn't resign him (2 months of Lester is worth 2 months of Cespedes as they likely would have traded him this offseason).  His defense will be wasted in left field in Boston, though his power #'s should increase in that park.  Still might be a negative WAR.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 12:36:19 pm
I think Oakland made out better....

I am continually amazed by some of these trades Beane pulls off...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 12:44:29 pm
Lacked to Cards


I mean why think Boston made out like bandits? Oakland was not going to sign Cespedes to a long term deal... thats not the way they operate
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 12:49:07 pm
Lackey to Cards

For Allen Craig and Joe Kelly.  That might be a better haul than Lester (though I haven't looked at the contracts yet).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 01:19:03 pm
craig is signed through 2017 (team option for 2018), and he's have a remarkably bad year after having 3 straight excellent seasons. not good, excellent.  the past two seasons were MVP-caliber even though he was largely unrecognized.

cespedes is no longer a young prospect and some of his plate discipline is concerning, but he's getting out of a tough division filled with pitchers parks and moving to the AL east where it's practically little league fields in comparison.

yeah, A+ to vansmack for calling OAK.  but my prediction is heads will roll in OAK when it turns out they gutted their team for a win-now mentality and it doesn't work out.  lester is a stud, but this is no roy halladay/cliff lee type of pick-up. 

boston just traded for 2 all-star outfielders, mid relief, and got something in return for two pitchers who were out the door anyways. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 01:22:08 pm
just for fun, look at Oakland's line-up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/lineup/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics) and insert jonny gomes instead of yoenis cespedes.  that's not a line-up i would want to trot out for a world series.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 01:27:32 pm
just for fun, look at Oakland's line-up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/lineup/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics) and insert jonny gomes instead of yoenis cespedes.  that's not a line-up i would want to trot out for a world series.

 first of all, no trades are going assure a World Series win... you can't guarantee it

but in October pitchers tend to dominate.... games tend to be low scoring..its COLD.....

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 01:36:59 pm
Andrew Miller to Detroit. Not sure whats going back yet.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 01:46:25 pm
just for fun, look at Oakland's line-up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/lineup/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics) and insert jonny gomes instead of yoenis cespedes.  that's not a line-up i would want to trot out for a world series.

 first of all, no trades are going assure a World Series win... you can't guarantee it

but in October pitchers tend to dominate.... games tend to be low scoring..its COLD.....

yeah, and what i'm saying is OAK is all in for 2014 and has gutted their future, and even if they make it to the WS, imagine that line-up vs kershaw, grienke, beckett, and ryu.  hell, kershaw and grienke are better pitchers than anyone on the OAK staff.  even though cespedes had an atrocious OBP, he was an RBI guy that drove in runs at the 5-spot.  they'll now rely on brendan moss and donaldson to put runs on the board.  it's NOT a good line-up.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 01:58:33 pm
just for fun, look at Oakland's line-up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/lineup/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics) and insert jonny gomes instead of yoenis cespedes.  that's not a line-up i would want to trot out for a world series.

 first of all, no trades are going assure a World Series win... you can't guarantee it

but in October pitchers tend to dominate.... games tend to be low scoring..its COLD.....

yeah, and what i'm saying is OAK is all in for 2014 and has gutted their future, and even if they make it to the WS, imagine that line-up vs kershaw, grienke, beckett, and ryu.  hell, kershaw and grienke are better pitchers than anyone on the OAK staff.  even though cespedes had an atrocious OBP, he was an RBI guy that drove in runs at the 5-spot.  they'll now rely on brendan moss and donaldson to put runs on the board.  it's NOT a good line-up.


they gutted their future by trading a guy they weren't going to sign?

explain that one to me..

nobody knows if the trade will end up being good.... we will have to wait....all I know is Beane really is all in for the playoffs this year...I like it..

lets remember when Boston traded Garciaparra which seemed insane...


AND there are still 2 hours left on the clock, no? :)

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 01:59:24 pm
Allen Craig declines to talk to media about trade. When asked, barely says, "No." Leaves ballpark after hug from Wainwright
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 02:08:10 pm
just for fun, look at Oakland's line-up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/lineup/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics) and insert jonny gomes instead of yoenis cespedes.  that's not a line-up i would want to trot out for a world series.

 first of all, no trades are going assure a World Series win... you can't guarantee it

but in October pitchers tend to dominate.... games tend to be low scoring..its COLD.....

yeah, and what i'm saying is OAK is all in for 2014 and has gutted their future, and even if they make it to the WS, imagine that line-up vs kershaw, grienke, beckett, and ryu.  hell, kershaw and grienke are better pitchers than anyone on the OAK staff.  even though cespedes had an atrocious OBP, he was an RBI guy that drove in runs at the 5-spot.  they'll now rely on brendan moss and donaldson to put runs on the board.  it's NOT a good line-up.


they gutted their future by trading a guy they weren't going to sign?

explain that one to me..

nobody knows if the trade will end up being good.... we will have to wait....all I know is Beane really is all in for the playoffs this year...I like it..

lets remember when Boston traded Garciaparra which seemed insane...


AND there are still 2 hours left on the clock, no? :)

they gutted most of their future with the shark trade.  cespedes still had one more relatively cheap year left and they wont re-sign lester. 

i'm not saying the trade is good or bad, i'm saying their line-up is bad already and it just got worse. and they'll compete this year, sure, but the future is uncertain.

the red sox? they are trading past assets for present and future assets.  whether their return pans out or not, they re-building the middle of their order fabulously.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 02:10:42 pm
also, i love the fact that billy beane's two big trades are with theo epstein and ben cherington.  billy beane essentially saying "we need pitchers now" and theo and ben saying "we need offense now, we'll buy pitching later". 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 02:12:56 pm
just for fun, look at Oakland's line-up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/lineup/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics) and insert jonny gomes instead of yoenis cespedes.  that's not a line-up i would want to trot out for a world series.

 first of all, no trades are going assure a World Series win... you can't guarantee it

but in October pitchers tend to dominate.... games tend to be low scoring..its COLD.....

yeah, and what i'm saying is OAK is all in for 2014 and has gutted their future, and even if they make it to the WS, imagine that line-up vs kershaw, grienke, beckett, and ryu.  hell, kershaw and grienke are better pitchers than anyone on the OAK staff.  even though cespedes had an atrocious OBP, he was an RBI guy that drove in runs at the 5-spot.  they'll now rely on brendan moss and donaldson to put runs on the board.  it's NOT a good line-up.


they gutted their future by trading a guy they weren't going to sign?

explain that one to me..

nobody knows if the trade will end up being good.... we will have to wait....all I know is Beane really is all in for the playoffs this year...I like it..

lets remember when Boston traded Garciaparra which seemed insane...


AND there are still 2 hours left on the clock, no? :)

they gutted most of their future with the shark trade.  cespedes still had one more relatively cheap year left and they wont re-sign lester. 

i'm not saying the trade is good or bad, i'm saying their line-up is bad already and it just got worse. and they'll compete this year, sure, but the future is uncertain.

the red sox? they are trading past assets for present and future assets.  whether their return pans out or not, they re-building the middle of their order fabulously.

so you're not REALLLY saying they gutted their future are you? more like  they gutted 2015..

come on now... hyperbole much?

Cespedes is gutting your future???? with 1 year left?

I want to understand where you're coming from because I will fully admit I'm not baseball expert but.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 02:27:32 pm
Seattle got Denorfia.  Strange...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 02:29:09 pm
Andrew Miller to Detroit. Not sure whats going back yet.

I heard this was off (not saying it won't be back on, but it's not done right now)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 02:30:59 pm
Andrew Miller to Detroit. Not sure whats going back yet.

I heard this was off (not saying it won't be back on, but it's not done right now)
Yeah, just saw that. Morosi and a few others are saying Dodgers out of the Price talks and Detroit is kicking the tires there. Seems really unlikely since they'd want Smyly back as part of any package and he's currently on the mound throwing. I'm guessing once Detroit doesn't get Price they go back around to the Miller trade.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 02:36:53 pm
Beane gave up building from within years ago - especially position players.  I don't think he drafted a single starter not on the pitching staff on this years team.

Billy Beane is clearly going all in this season, but at little risk.  He hasn't forgotten that he started a combination  of Bartolo Colon, Jarrod Parker and Sonny Gray against Justin Verlander/Max Scherzer in games 1 & 5 in 2012 and 2013 and lost all 4.  He needed to counter and has with this deal.

Cespedes was nearly dealt this offseason to Arizona and wasn't - I think because of the Trumbo pickup.  Maybe Beane is forgetting that he also lost game 5 because Cabrera hit a HR and the A's didn't score at all, but the truth is he knows he needs to lower his runs against, not his runs for, to avoid the one game playoff (though I really don't think Anaheim can catch them, but he's worried enough that he had to make a move.

Remove Cespedes' run production for Gomes and they're still +135-140.  Now replace the 5th starter (or Hammel) with Lester and it's probably closer to +145-150.  I'm not seeing the huge risk in 2014.

Cespedes wasn't going to play for the A's in 2015 anyway. 

Boston on the other hand, gave up on 2014 and have made themselves much better for 2015.       
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 02:39:14 pm
yeah..I think its a win win deal....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 03:01:32 pm
Miller to Orioles now, per Buster Olney.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:06:23 pm
Brewers pick up Gerrardo Parra...my how his stock has fallen.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 03:06:34 pm
A. Cabrera to Nats (for Walters). One of my "favorite" players because I have a friend who absolutely hates the Indians for some unknown reason and insists on referring to him as Ass-dribble Cabrera.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:06:53 pm
A. Cabrera to Nats (for Walters). One of my "favorite" players because I have a friend who absolutely hates the Indians for some unknown reason and insists on referring to him as Ass-dribble Cabrera.

Zach Walters and some cash....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:08:12 pm
Miller to Orioles now, per Buster Olney.

"Buck Showalter now has about 1,000 left-handers, with the addition of Andrew Miller."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:09:39 pm
Miller to Orioles now, per Buster Olney.

For Eduardo Rodriguez.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:13:47 pm
Confirmed: Lester to #Athletics. Gomes to OAK as well for Cespedes

Athletics are paying $650K of Cespedes' salary, but getting back $1.8 million from #RedSox for Lester salary.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 03:16:04 pm
Confirmed: Lester to #Athletics. Gomes to OAK as well for Cespedes

Athletics are paying $650K of Cespedes' salary, but getting back $1.8 million from #RedSox for Lester salary.
I'm sure there's some CBA nuance you're going to explain to me now but why didn't the Sawx just agree to pay 1.15million of Lester's salary and make things easier?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:33:41 pm
I'm sure there's some CBA nuance you're going to explain to me now but why didn't the Sawx just agree to pay 1.15million of Lester's salary and make things easier?

You know I'm already doing the research.  Thus far: Cespedes? contract calls for him to be non-tendered at the end of his deal (if he is not first extended) in order to assure him early free agency, and he therefore is ineligible to receive a qualifying offer following the 2015 season + the compensation pick is valued at $800k so.....

I have no idea what all that means, but I have a spreadsheet open.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:34:40 pm
A. Cabrera to Nats (for Walters). One of my "favorite" players because I have a friend who absolutely hates the Indians for some unknown reason and insists on referring to him as Ass-dribble Cabrera.

Zach Walters and some cash....

And by cash I mean, CLE is picking up the entirety of his salary for the rest of the season.  They must REALLY like Walters.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:40:17 pm
Price to the Tigers would be the biggest FU to Billy Beane.  Even I would feel sorry for him....

Also, Stephen Drew to the Yankees?  I can't believe that...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 03:42:57 pm
Price to the Tigers would be the biggest FU to Billy Beane.  Even I would feel sorry for him....
I am furiously refreshing Marc Topkin's twitter.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:44:28 pm
Also, Stephen Drew to the Yankees?  I can't believe that...

Wow.  Confirmed.  WTF?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 03:50:31 pm
Rosenthal says Price to Detroit. EDIT: Appears to be a three-teamer deal with the Mariners factoring in somehow.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 03:51:31 pm
I am going to be deliriously giddy for like five minutes until I think about the smoldering tire fire that is Detroit's farm system.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:52:21 pm
The only mistake here is that the Tigers left Beane with 10 more minutes....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 03:53:09 pm
The only mistake here is that the Tigers left Beane with 10 more minutes....
Beane does something at 3:57. Tigers get Uehara at 3:59.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 03:56:20 pm
Mariners getting Austin Jackson and Smyly from Tigers. Sending Nick Franklin to Rays.

Rajai davis just came in for AJ to play CF.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 04:01:31 pm
Mariners getting Austin Jackson and Smyly from Tigers. Sending Nick Franklin to Rays.

Rajai davis just came in for AJ to play CF.

AJ has been red hot as of late. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 04:04:32 pm
I suspect that Seattle is getting one more player, but right now:

Price to DET
AJ to SEA
Franklin and Smyly to TAM

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 04:08:21 pm
2011 Cy Young Award winner:  Justin Verlander
2012 Cy Young Award winner: David Price.
2013 Cy Young Award winner: Max Scherzer.
All in same rotation now.

Poor AJ was traded just so Price can wear No. 14. ;)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 04:10:01 pm
so you're not REALLLY saying they gutted their future are you? more like  they gutted 2015..

come on now... hyperbole much?

Cespedes is gutting your future???? with 1 year left?

I want to understand where you're coming from because I will fully admit I'm not baseball expert but.....

yeah, that's EXACTLY what i'm saying. i don't think you realize they gave up one of the top prospects in baseball (addison russell, a stellar SS), billy mckinney (former 1st round pick), and dan staily (might be a decent #3 one day)  just to land shark.  i believe they lose a draft pick to boston for lester.  by all means, they're gutting their future for 2014.  lester is gone after this season, and they've traded away addison russell, billy mckinney, and dan staily, players who project to be above average, they are cheap, and the would be playing in 2015 and on.  
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 04:10:50 pm
I can't believe Seattle took Ajax. I can't believe Tampa didn't insist on Porcello. There has alot of people leaving Detroit's farm system in this trade. That can't be all David Price went for (and under contract for another year).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 04:11:42 pm
2011 Cy Young Award winner:  Justin Verlander
2012 Cy Young Award winner: David Price.
2013 Cy Young Award winner: Max Scherzer.
With Sanchez and Porcello as the black sheep of the starting pitching staff. THINK ABOUT THAT.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 04:13:44 pm
Yankees also got Martin Prado from AZ

Marlins have acquired pitcher Jarred Cosart from the Astros

Kurt Suzuki signs 2 year extension with Min with a vesting option.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 04:16:39 pm
now rooting for a dodgers/tigers world series.

although... not getting relief help may doom both of them.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 04:17:55 pm
although... not getting relief help may doom both of them.
Very possible. Of course, you have to assume Porcello is moving to the pen (and Ray coming up once the rosters expand) for the playoffs since they won't need a 5th starter.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 04:29:53 pm
Rays also got prospect SS Willy Adames from DET

The Braves have acquired James Russell an Emilio Bonifacio from the Cubs
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 04:31:28 pm
Rays also got prospect SS Willy Adames from DET
I can live with it.

There's no doubt in my mind Oakland paid more for Lester than Detroit did for Price and I know no one who would've taken Lester over Price.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 04:35:28 pm
but I have a spreadsheet open.
I missed this at first. LOL
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 04:43:44 pm
Yankees designate Brian Roberts....

Mike Trout: "Put Cespedes in LF in Boston and he's going to be throwing people out at first base."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 04:53:37 pm
Rays also got prospect SS Willy Adames from DET
I can live with it.

There's no doubt in my mind Oakland paid more for Lester than Detroit did for Price and I know no one who would've taken Lester over Price.

I think the crazy part here is that Oakland paid more to Smadzjia than they did for Lester or Detroit paid for Price.

You'd have to think that if Oakland and Tampa could do it over again, they'd deal Russell for Price straight up and both teams would agree in a heart beat.  And be better off.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 04:54:12 pm
I think the crazy part here is that Oakland paid more to Smadzjia than they did for Lester or Detroit paid for Price.
That's an excellent point.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 04:56:33 pm
nice pickup by Detroit....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 05:15:52 pm
just for fun, look at Oakland's line-up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/lineup/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics) and insert jonny gomes instead of yoenis cespedes.  that's not a line-up i would want to trot out for a world series.

 first of all, no trades are going assure a World Series win... you can't guarantee it

but in October pitchers tend to dominate.... games tend to be low scoring..its COLD.....

yeah, and what i'm saying is OAK is all in for 2014 and has gutted their future, and even if they make it to the WS, imagine that line-up vs kershaw, grienke, beckett, and ryu.  hell, kershaw and grienke are better pitchers than anyone on the OAK staff.  even though cespedes had an atrocious OBP, he was an RBI guy that drove in runs at the 5-spot.  they'll now rely on brendan moss and donaldson to put runs on the board.  it's NOT a good line-up.


they gutted their future by trading a guy they weren't going to sign?

explain that one to me..

nobody knows if the trade will end up being good.... we will have to wait....all I know is Beane really is all in for the playoffs this year...I like it..

lets remember when Boston traded Garciaparra which seemed insane...


AND there are still 2 hours left on the clock, no? :)

responding to this late, but nobody thought trading nomar was insane.  all advanced statistics pointed to a total demise in his abilities, which turned out to be true.  that, and he wasn't getting along with the team.  it was a no-brainer trade. if anyone thought it was insane, it's because they were total fanboys and enjoyed watching nomar turn into a star from the late 90's through 2003. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2014, 06:15:39 pm
Miller to Orioles now, per Buster Olney.

I like it.  Starting pitching has improved dramatically lately.  And Miller is much more than just a match-up lefty.  Miller/O'Day/Britton to end games could become habit forming. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 06:21:40 pm
KLaw: "A shockingly low return for David Price"

"an outstanding move for the Tigers and a solid exchange for the Mariners."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 06:23:05 pm
Nevermind.  You'd think I'd remember that O'Day was a righty since he came up with Anaheim.  I'm tired....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 07:10:57 pm
just for fun, look at Oakland's line-up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/lineup/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics) and insert jonny gomes instead of yoenis cespedes.  that's not a line-up i would want to trot out for a world series.

 first of all, no trades are going assure a World Series win... you can't guarantee it

but in October pitchers tend to dominate.... games tend to be low scoring..its COLD.....

yeah, and what i'm saying is OAK is all in for 2014 and has gutted their future, and even if they make it to the WS, imagine that line-up vs kershaw, grienke, beckett, and ryu.  hell, kershaw and grienke are better pitchers than anyone on the OAK staff.  even though cespedes had an atrocious OBP, he was an RBI guy that drove in runs at the 5-spot.  they'll now rely on brendan moss and donaldson to put runs on the board.  it's NOT a good line-up.


they gutted their future by trading a guy they weren't going to sign?

explain that one to me..

nobody knows if the trade will end up being good.... we will have to wait....all I know is Beane really is all in for the playoffs this year...I like it..

lets remember when Boston traded Garciaparra which seemed insane...


AND there are still 2 hours left on the clock, no? :)

responding to this late, but nobody thought trading nomar was insane.  all advanced statistics pointed to a total demise in his abilities, which turned out to be true.  that, and he wasn't getting along with the team.  it was a no-brainer trade. if anyone thought it was insane, it's because they were total fanboys and enjoyed watching nomar turn into a star from the late 90's through 2003. 

and what of it?

signed,

fanboy
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 01, 2014, 08:53:48 am
An interesting side-note in the Free-Press this morning mentions the Price deal was agreed to BEFORE the start of the 1pm Tigers game yesterday, and the delay in making it official was because the teams were exchanging medical information during the afternoon. Meanwhile, Smyly and Jackson PLAYED the 1pm game. How insane would it have been if Smyly had to leave the game with arm pain or Jackson crashed into a wall and got a concussion and the entire thing was scrapped?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 01, 2014, 11:41:05 am
This is hysterical, re: the fake Byrd to Yankees trade.

http://deadspin.com/jim-bowden-caught-stealing-from-fake-twitter-account-d-1614081824
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 01, 2014, 01:10:26 pm
An interesting side-note in the Free-Press this morning mentions the Price deal was agreed to BEFORE the start of the 1pm Tigers game yesterday, and the delay in making it official was because the teams were exchanging medical information during the afternoon. Meanwhile, Smyly and Jackson PLAYED the 1pm game. How insane would it have been if Smyly had to leave the game with arm pain or Jackson crashed into a wall and got a concussion and the entire thing was scrapped?

I also think the Tigers had already worked out an extension with Price using Scherzer money.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 01, 2014, 01:16:53 pm
An interesting side-note in the Free-Press this morning mentions the Price deal was agreed to BEFORE the start of the 1pm Tigers game yesterday, and the delay in making it official was because the teams were exchanging medical information during the afternoon. Meanwhile, Smyly and Jackson PLAYED the 1pm game. How insane would it have been if Smyly had to leave the game with arm pain or Jackson crashed into a wall and got a concussion and the entire thing was scrapped?

I also think the Tigers had already worked out an extension with Price using Scherzer money.
The FP reported yesterday they had had no talks with Price prior to confirming the deal about an extension. Logically, obviously that $25million/year Scherzer doesn't want is going to Price.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 01, 2014, 03:33:11 pm
http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2014/08/dave_dombrowski_sends_hilariou.html#incart_more_sports

Dombrowski literally trolled Beane. Hysterical.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 01, 2014, 08:59:23 pm
http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2014/08/dave_dombrowski_sends_hilariou.html#incart_more_sports

Dombrowski literally trolled Beane. Hysterical.

Text of the Year.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on August 05, 2014, 10:50:44 pm
FUCKIN YANKS-TIGERS FINISH UP and take me to Dodgers-Angels pronto please...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on August 05, 2014, 11:34:58 pm
vin scully rocks...forget about the age.. he's just got such good information...what a treat..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on August 07, 2014, 11:42:34 pm
it's been an blast watching LAD/LAA all week.  i feel like the dodgers are on the verge of blowing out ahead in their division with kemp getting hot, puig in center, and a healthy rotation.  however, agon and hanley are such a pathetic 3-4 combo.  it makes sense to me to jumble the line-up, put kemp at the 3 spot, keep hanley at 4, and let adrian be a miserable bat at the 5 spot.  hell, i'd even park his ass down at 6 or 7, and let van slyke bat 5th and uribe 6th. i can't think of many #3 hitters worse than him right now.  take out his april stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=gonzaad01&t=b&year=&share=2.53#1361-1445-sum:batting_gamelogs) this year and he's complete garbage. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on August 08, 2014, 11:26:18 am
gotta say its killed me this week watching west coast baseball! not enough sleep!

the dodgers-angels would make a great world series...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on August 08, 2014, 11:55:53 am
No! Orioles time!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 08, 2014, 12:42:57 pm
I'm not ready to talk about it yet.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on August 08, 2014, 06:03:45 pm
I'm not ready to talk about it yet.

i think it has more to do with the dodgers coming together rather than the angels being ass.

but lester throwing a gem last night probably doesn't help matters.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 08, 2014, 08:45:25 pm
I'm not ready to talk about it yet.
oh, YOU aren't ready to talk about it? Have you even seen... Fuck it, I'm not ready to talk about it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 10, 2014, 02:07:00 pm
Tyler Skaggs out for the season. (Tommy John)

Any SPs out there on waivers? 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 11, 2014, 06:02:01 pm
oh, YOU aren't ready to talk about it? Have you even seen... Fuck it, I'm not ready to talk about it.

Tyler Skaggs out for the season. (Tommy John)

Any SPs out there on waivers? 

OK, it's clearly a race to the bottom:

Tigers Place Sanchez, Soria on the DL (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11334343/detroit-tigers-place-pitchers-anibal-sanchez-joakim-soria-dl)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 11, 2014, 07:07:33 pm
Yeah it's getting depressing quick. At least UM football /hockey is around the corner.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 12, 2014, 12:03:14 pm
Yeah it's getting depressing quick. At least UM football /hockey is around the corner.

Schoenfield: Detroit, it's Time to Panic (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/50498/the-implosion-of-the-detroit-tigers)

I actually started panicking after the Halo's nabbed 3 runs off Kershaw and started errantly throwing the ball around the infield a couple times, managing to lose.  I thought to myself, that's just not what good teams do.

They've won one game since, and it took them 19 innings. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on August 12, 2014, 07:30:20 pm
Not too much of a surprise that Seattle would have the best beer selection and the Yankees would have the worst.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mariners-have-best-beer-selection-in-mlb--study-says--while-yankees-have-worst-223400837.html
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on August 12, 2014, 08:42:41 pm
Yeah it's getting depressing quick. At least UM football /hockey is around the corner.

Schoenfield: Detroit, it's Time to Panic (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/50498/the-implosion-of-the-detroit-tigers)

love how robbie ray is pitching for detroit tonight and getting knocked around, and fister is pacing right along for the steady nats.  time will tell, but that trade looks real nice for the nats right now.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on August 12, 2014, 10:28:12 pm
i've watched one inning of LAA and that's enough suffering for today.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 13, 2014, 12:11:39 am
i've watched one inning of LAA and that's enough suffering for today.

I take it that you didn't see the bottom of the 6th?  It means I might actually get some sleep tonight.

I was getting my hair did during the first inning, thankfully.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 13, 2014, 02:47:56 pm
The Tigers starting pitcher this evening is named Buck Farmer.

*starts drinking the stuff under my sink*
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 13, 2014, 06:51:29 pm
The Tigers starting pitcher this evening is named Buck Farmer.

*starts drinking the stuff under my sink*

I believe you mean, George Runie Farmer....

But I'll drink to that.  Never heard of the guy, seeing as how he's gone from A-ball to two (!) AA starts, how the hell could I have.  I suppose I could have seen him throw a GA Tech game, but it clearly wasn't memorable.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 13, 2014, 07:02:36 pm
http://www.blessyouboys.com/2014/8/13/5997873/2014-game-118-preview-my-name-is-buck-and-im-here-to-party

He does apparently go by Buck. Let the record reflect I'm settling in to watch this and going down with this Tigers ship.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 13, 2014, 07:27:40 pm
How could one not be excited about Vance Worley v Buck Farmer?

That's a script writers dream...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 13, 2014, 09:43:10 pm
Fuck, Buck Farmer might have gotten us our first win in a week. Buck farmer uber alles.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on August 17, 2014, 11:13:08 am
oh, look. LAA is on tied with OAK.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on August 17, 2014, 12:19:22 pm
Jim Johnson called up by the Tigers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 17, 2014, 05:01:48 pm
oh, look. LAA is on tied with OAK.

Shhhhhh..........
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on August 18, 2014, 09:11:18 pm
i just realize that the greatest thing that could happen to baseball is KC and LAA win their divisions, and pitching-heavy and deadline dealers OAK and DET have to play a one-game wild card to get in.  if that scenario plays out, which pitcher does each team pick?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 18, 2014, 09:20:37 pm
Scherzer v Lester, assuming the game is in Oakland.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 18, 2014, 10:02:33 pm
i just realize that the greatest thing that could happen to baseball is KC and LAA win their divisions, and pitching-heavy and deadline dealers OAK and DET have to play a one-game wild card to get in.  if that scenario plays out, which pitcher does each team pick?
I thought of this earlier. I'd throw up.

I'd throw price out there, but it'd be Scherzer v Lester like smacks said.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 20, 2014, 08:27:12 pm
I'm on vacation with no TV and still threw up at the news that blew up my phone tonight.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 20, 2014, 08:29:10 pm
I'm on vacation with no TV and still threw up at the news that blew up my phone tonight.
the giants winning that appeal, or...?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on August 20, 2014, 11:37:59 pm
Any SPs out there on waivers? 

now appropriate.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on August 21, 2014, 12:04:50 am
Any SPs out there on waivers? 

now appropriate.

i hate it when that happens...looks bad for sure..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 21, 2014, 06:48:15 am
Any SPs out there on waivers? 

now appropriate.

With best record,  the chances of every other team passing on them so the Halo's can make a claim are between zero and none.

Randy Wolf,  Wade LeBlanc or Chris Volstad to the rescue?  SMH

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on August 21, 2014, 09:16:51 am
Ubaldo might be available.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 21, 2014, 02:32:27 pm
Ubaldo might be available.

This actually made me feel better about Wade LeBlanc being called up...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 21, 2014, 05:59:39 pm
Price threw a complete game one-hitter, tigers still lose. Holy hell, I sort of hate this tigers team.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on August 21, 2014, 11:49:46 pm
can we talk about seattle's absurd +45 run differential since the trade deadline? Ajax hasn't done anything for them, but they are scoring runs like crazy and pitching incredible.  this is the kind of effect experts said cano could have... his 1.011 OPS in august surely has a lot to do with their success.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 22, 2014, 07:05:44 am
Gordon Beckham?   Are we moving him on for pitching?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on August 25, 2014, 10:24:27 am
What are the chances the new commish makes both leagues play by the same rules?  I know this is coming off an O's sweep by the lowly Cubbies, but an AL team playing without a DH has to affect them much more than an NL team playing with a DH.     
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on August 25, 2014, 10:27:29 am
What are the chances the new commish makes both leagues play by the same rules? 

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It was funny hearing Tony Larussa...he can't stand the DH....what he said essentially was "fair weather baseball fans love the DH but diehards love it old school as it should be..."

He then went on to say there was no way to resolve it and the compromise of having one league with/one league without was the best that could be done..

Joe Torre was sitting right next to him and he didn't chime in  or disagree...

Its weird but I think its always going to be that way..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on August 31, 2014, 11:50:01 am
A's trade for Adam Dunn.

Billy might be regretting the Cespedes deal,  but I think he's missing the point.  Anaheim has scored twice in this series on balls where Cespedes threw out runners back in May.  His defense is as much of a loss as his offense.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 01, 2014, 12:08:13 pm
ESPN Power Rankings

1. Angels
2. Nationals
3. Orioles

Going to be a fun couple months.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 01, 2014, 01:28:17 pm
ESPN Power Rankings

1. Angels
2. Nationals
3. Orioles

Going to be a fun couple months.
With all due respect, any power ranking that doesn't have #VerlandersButt at #1 does not have it's finger on the pulse of the MLB.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 01, 2014, 07:13:42 pm
With all due respect, any power ranking that doesn't have #VerlandersButt at #1 does not have it's finger on the pulse of the MLB.

That's probably more appropriate for my thread,  I'm just not done doing my research yet
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 01, 2014, 07:27:23 pm
With all due respect, any power ranking that doesn't have #VerlandersButt at #1 does not have it's finger on the pulse of the MLB.

That's probably more appropriate for my thread,  I'm just not done doing my research yet
Fair enough.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on September 01, 2014, 11:21:33 pm
A's trade for Adam Dunn.

Billy might be regretting the Cespedes deal,  but I think he's missing the point.  Anaheim has scored twice in this series on balls where Cespedes threw out runners back in May.  His defense is as much of a loss as his offense.

not to mention, cespedes keeps winning games for the red sox left and right.  i think he's had 5 winning/go ahead hit for the sox to date.  is their a stat for that? their has to be to a stat for that.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on September 01, 2014, 11:27:51 pm
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A++++++++ would trade again

craig is signed through 2017 (team option for 2018), and he's have a remarkably bad year after having 3 straight excellent seasons. not good, excellent.  the past two seasons were MVP-caliber even though he was largely unrecognized.

cespedes is no longer a young prospect and some of his plate discipline is concerning, but he's getting out of a tough division filled with pitchers parks and moving to the AL east where it's practically little league fields in comparison.

yeah, A+ to vansmack for calling OAK.  but my prediction is heads will roll in OAK when it turns out they gutted their team for a win-now mentality and it doesn't work out.  lester is a stud, but this is no roy halladay/cliff lee type of pick-up. 

boston just traded for 2 all-star outfielders, mid relief, and got something in return for two pitchers who were out the door anyways. 

A+ to stevewizzle
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 02, 2014, 12:35:20 pm
A+ to stevewizzle

Yes, though Billy Beane keeps his job, if he wants it. 

Lester has been a stud, though.  3-2, sure, but 2.66 ERA and he gave up 2ER in one of those losses and 3 through 6 in the other. 

The loss of Cespedes probably surpasses 2.66 runs every 5 games though, if we combine defense and offense.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on September 04, 2014, 11:06:24 am
seattle has 7 upcoming games against the astros and rangers, and detroit has to play the likes of cleveland, KC, and SF - all wild card contenders.  seattle could gain some serious ground here... regardless, this is going to be a fun couple of weeks leading up to october.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 04, 2014, 11:58:06 am
I am 100% in favor of an all AL West wild card game, so long as the Angels aren't one of the teams in the game.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 04, 2014, 12:14:56 pm
I am 100% in favor of an all AL West wild card game, so long as the Angels aren't one of the teams in the game.
Honestly, as a Tigers fan, I am too. Detroit making the playoffs is only going to end in some absurd ignominy like Scherzer throwing a no-no but us scoring no runs and losing in the 12th inning or our bullpen giving up 8 in the 9th or something else historically dumb.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on September 04, 2014, 04:32:10 pm
I am 100% in favor of an all AL West wild card game, so long as the Angels aren't one of the teams in the game.
Honestly, as a Tigers fan, I am too. Detroit making the playoffs is only going to end in some absurd ignominy like Scherzer throwing a no-no but us scoring no runs and losing in the 12th inning or our bullpen giving up 8 in the 9th or something else historically dumb.

there's the whole overcoming adversity associated with wild card teams, right?

"no one thought we would make it this far!" and all that hoorah leading to teams outperforming themselves during the postseason.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 11, 2014, 06:45:10 pm
POSTSEASON SCHEDULE

Wild Card


Tues., Sept. 30: AL Wild Card Game, TBS
Wed., Oct. 1: NL Wild Card Game, ESPN

Division Series

Thurs., Oct. 2: ALDS A, Game 1, TBS, ALDS B, Game 1, TBS

Fri., Oct. 3:
ALDS A, Game 2, TBS, ALDS B, Game 2, TBS, NLDS A, Game 1, FS1, NLDS B, Game 1, FS1

Sat., Oct. 4: NLDS A, Game 2, FS1 or MLBN, NLDS B, Game 2, FS1 or MLBN

Sun., Oct. 5: ALDS A, Game 3, TBS, ALDS B, Game 3, TBS

Mon., Oct. 6:
ALDS A, Game 4, TBS, ALDS B, Game 4, TBS, NLDS A, Game 3, FS1 or MLBN, NLDS B, Game 3, FS1 or MLBN

Tues., Oct. 7: NLDS A, Game 4, FS1, NLDS B, Game 4, FS1

Wed., Oct. 8: ALDS A, Game 5, TBS, ALDS B, Game 5, TBS

Thurs. Oct. 9: NLDS A, Game 5, FS1, NLDS B, Game 5 FS1


Championship Series

Fri., Oct. 10: ALCS Game 1, TBS
Sat., Oct. 11: ALCS Game 2, TBS, NLCS Game 1, FOX
Sun., Oct. 12: NLCS Game 2, FS1
Mon., Oct. 13: ALCS Game 3, TBS
Tues. Oct. 14: NLCS Game 3, FS1, ALCS Game 4, TBS
Wed., Oct. 15: ALCS Game 5, TBS, NLCS Game 4, FS1
Thurs., Oct. 16: NLCS Game 5, FS1
Fri., Oct. 17: ALCS Game 6, TBS
Sat. Oct. 18: NLCS Game 6, FOX, ALCS Game 7, TBS
Sun. Oct. 19: NLCS Game 7, FS1


World Series

Tues., Oct. 21: Game 1, AL city, FOX
Wed. Oct. 22: Game 2, AL city, FOX
Thurs. Oct. 23: Travel day
Fri., Oct. 24: Game 3, NL city, FOX
Sat., Oct. 25: Game 4, NL city, FOX
Sun., Oct. 26: Game 5, NL city, FOX
Mon., Oct. 27: Travel day
Tues., Oct. 28: Game 6, AL city, FOX
Wed., Oct. 29: Game 7, AL city, FOX
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 15, 2014, 11:24:45 am
A very weird play in the Tigers/Indians game yesterday. Wish I could find footage because its hard to explain, I really have never seen this happen. Bottom of the 8th, Tigers leading 4-3 with runners on second and third and one out. CC Lee pitching for Cleveland and he gets the signal to intentionally walk Kinsler to load the bases and try to get Torii Hunter to hit into a double play. Catcher sticks his hand out to the right, sure enough, Lee throws it four feet right of home plate, a standard intentional walk ball. Catcher throws it back, sticks his arm out again.

As soon as Lee goes into his windup, the catcher does the traditional two-steps to his right to catch the ball, but Lee throws a fastball right down the middle of the plate (albeit high out of the strike zone). The catcher dives back and misses, the ball goes all the way to the backstop, runner scores from third, turns up being the winning run. I rewound it several times, I have no idea what he was doing. He acknowledged it was an intentional walk with a first pitch five feet off the plate. Did somehow his intentional walk pitch get away from him? It was crazy.

My question, though, is the scoring. They called it a wild-pitch. How is this not a passed ball? A catcher under average ability - positioned properly behind the plate - catches that ball 99.99999% of the time. Shouldn't the catcher being horrifically out-of-position make it a passed ball, not a wild pitch?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 15, 2014, 12:15:59 pm
Here's how it's scored:

10.13 Wild Pitches And Passed Balls
A wild pitch is defined in Rule 2.00 (Wild Pitch). A passed ball is a statistic charged against a catcher whose action has caused a runner or runners to advance, as set forth in this Rule 10.13.
(a) The official scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball is so high, so wide or so low that the catcher does not stop and control the ball by ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. [EDIT]

(b) The official scorer shall charge a catcher with a passed ball when the catcher fails to hold or to control a legally pitched ball that should have been held or controlled with ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. [EDIT]


I think they got it right.  "Ordinary effort" is not the same as "ordinary positioning" and rule 10.14(b) describes an intentional base on balls as when the catcher has his arm out so it would be ordinary positioning to be standing and have an arm out expecting the ball to be outside the strike zone.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 15, 2014, 12:19:03 pm
"Ordinary effort" is not the same as "ordinary positioning" and rule 10.14(b) describes an intentional base on balls as when the catcher has his arm out so it would be ordinary positioning to be standing and have an arm out expecting the ball to be outside the strike zone.
OK, I guess that makes sense. Thanks.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 15, 2014, 12:36:34 pm
OK, I guess that makes sense. Thanks.

I heard people talking about it on Baseball Tonight, but in the context of ruining the dream of speeding up the game.  One of the ideas was to eliminate the intentional base on balls and just give the batter a "free pass" because nobody ever screws that up.  Oops.

In doing my research this morning, I also learned that a batter can refuse a base on balls and be called out.  Hope to see that some day....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 15, 2014, 12:44:24 pm
In doing my research this morning, I also learned that a batter can refuse a base on balls and be called out.  Hope to see that some day....
I feel like a team once was attempting to be IBB Miggy and threw a pitch too close to the plate and he hit it for an RBI-single. This is quite possibly a very realistic fever dream I somehow had as I cannot provide more details.

My dream sports "call" I want to see is a one-point safety being called against the kicking team on an XP. (Seen it twice on the defending squad.) I would also like to see a successful fair-catch kick flip the outcome of a game. Don't think ones been successfully attempted in twenty+ years.

Golf and baseball are definitely 1 and 2 for obscure rule-based ephemera, but football has some interesting ones.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 15, 2014, 02:17:26 pm
I feel like a team once was attempting to be IBB Miggy and threw a pitch too close to the plate and he hit it for an RBI-single. This is quite possibly a very realistic fever dream I somehow had as I cannot provide more details.

Nope, you're not crazy.  I remember it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6YzVvtxoaY


There was a College walk off this year with that scenario.  I'll see if I can find it.

EDIT: Here you go:

(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/Ole-Miss-Auburn-IBB-HR-040414.gif)

My dream sports "call" I want to see is a one-point safety being called against the kicking team on an XP. (Seen it twice on the defending squad.)

I remember the Oregon/K-State bowl game a couple years ago where that happened, but that's only one I can recall on defense.  I've never seen it on offense either.

I would also like to see a successful fair-catch kick flip the outcome of a game. Don't think ones been successfully attempted in twenty+ years.

The Niners were close a couple of years ago.  Dawson tried from 70+ and missed wide left to end the half.  It was awesome - the whole bar stopped to watch it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 15, 2014, 02:44:48 pm
I remember the Oregon/K-State bowl game a couple years ago where that happened, but that's only one I can recall on defense.  I've never seen it on offense either.
Texas v Texas A&M, around a decade ago.

I don't believe it has ever occurred on offense. Its theoretically possible but almost definitely could not happen. A player would have to block an XP, pick it up and run it ~95 yards and start Leon Lett'ing and be stripped of the ball shortly before the goal line. The player who caused the fumble would either (a) have to recover it in the field of play, run into the endzone on his own volition in some insane attempt to return the ball 100 yards for two-points (after just running what was presumably a sprint of close to 100 yards to catch the XP blocker to begin with) and be tackled in the endzone with the ball, or (b) the fumbled ball would have to go into the endzone on its own and be fallen on by either the stripper or another player on the kicking team. It'll never happen, but it technically could. Extra awesomeness if that single-point turned up to be that teams only point of the game resulting in the first modern-era football game to end with a team scoring a single-point.

The Niners were close a couple of years ago.  Dawson tried from 70+ and missed wide left to end the half.  It was awesome - the whole bar stopped to watch it.
I think it was the 49ers/Ravens SB two years ago where if the Ravens had squib-kicked the final kickoff, it was a legitimate possibility for a Super Bowl fair-catch kick. I was openly hoping - despite not caring who won - that John Harbaugh was unaware of the rule and did not kick deep. I maybe haven't wanted anything to happen in a sporting event not involving a team I root quite so badly. It would've been amazing. Make it or miss it, the internet would've exploded.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 16, 2014, 01:04:20 pm
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10628547_10150437849854984_3356790067082012201_n.jpg?oh=d13879a77c61b21e5bc53e170f90c107&oe=549C935D)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 16, 2014, 01:29:18 pm
I meant to say this....

(http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-19680332dt.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 18, 2014, 03:35:21 pm
Where did you have "I cheated on my wife"  on the list of reasons Ron Washington quitting the Rangers?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 18, 2014, 03:43:18 pm
Where did you have "I cheated on my wife"  on the list of reasons Ron Washington quitting the Rangers?
I need a clarification: does cheating on his wife with a bushel sack of Columbian nose candy count as "cheating" for the purposes of this discussion?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 18, 2014, 04:00:15 pm
I would have had more $$ on him punching or head-butting her or thrashing his grandkid with a tree branch. But cheating doesn't seem too far-fetched.

Where did you have "I cheated on my wife"  on the list of reasons Ron Washington quitting the Rangers?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 18, 2014, 04:05:18 pm
Where did you have "I cheated on my wife"  on the list of reasons Ron Washington quitting the Rangers?
I need a clarification: does cheating on his wife with a bushel sack of Columbian nose candy count as "cheating" for the purposes of this discussion?



why is it so hard for Americans to understand that its Colombia not Columbia?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on September 18, 2014, 04:08:08 pm
Where did you have "I cheated on my wife"  on the list of reasons Ron Washington quitting the Rangers?
I need a clarification: does cheating on his wife with a bushel sack of Columbian nose candy count as "cheating" for the purposes of this discussion?



why is it so hard for Americans to understand that its Colombia not Columbia?

Columbia, SC
Columbia, MO
Columbia University
Washington, District of Columbia
Columbia Records

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 18, 2014, 04:09:03 pm
why is it so hard for Americans to understand that its Colombia not Columbia?
I always assumed the "o" was just a localized, Hispanic thing you guys were doing to mess with us.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 22, 2014, 11:18:28 pm
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Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: sweetcell on September 24, 2014, 12:17:31 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/23/keith-olbermann-derek-jeter_n_5870860.html
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 24, 2014, 12:25:52 pm
Derek Jeter is not the greatest player ever, even among his current teammates. That honor belongs to Ichiro. Someone please tell me why Ichiro consistently bats eight or ninth in the Yankee lineup, despite having the highest average of any starter?

If Jeter had played in Seattle his whole career, you'd hardly hear anything about him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 24, 2014, 01:05:03 pm
Who cares?

Let's talk about the important things - if you're the Giants/Pirates/A's/Royals, how important is home field for the one game playoff?  Who do you pitch on Sunday if it might decide whether or not you have to travel to, say Pittsburgh or San Francisco?

For the Royals and A's, I hope they think it's very important so their #1 and #2 get used up before the ALDS in Anaheim....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2014, 01:11:46 pm
Who cares?

Let's talk about the important things - if you're the Giants/Pirates/A's/Royals, how important is home field for the one game playoff?  Who do you pitch on Sunday if it might decide whether or not you have to travel to, say Pittsburgh or San Francisco?

For the Royals and A's, I hope they think it's very important so their #1 and #2 get used up before the ALDS in Anaheim....


I don't think it is for the Royals...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2014, 01:12:58 pm
Derek Jeter is not the greatest player ever, even among his current teammates. That honor belongs to Ichiro. Someone please tell me why Ichiro consistently bats eight or ninth in the Yankee lineup, despite having the highest average of any starter?

If Jeter had played in Seattle his whole career, you'd hardly hear anything about him.

say what? isn't he sixth on the all time hits list?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 24, 2014, 01:19:25 pm
Derek Jeter is not the greatest player ever, even among his current teammates. That honor belongs to Ichiro. Someone please tell me why Ichiro consistently bats eight or ninth in the Yankee lineup, despite having the highest average of any starter?

If Jeter had played in Seattle his whole career, you'd hardly hear anything about him.

say what? isn't he sixth on the all time hits list?
Had Ichiro spent his whole career in MLB instead of Japan for his prime, he'd probably be top three all time in hits.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 24, 2014, 01:23:21 pm
I don't think it is for the Royals...

Probably not, because they're a good road team and Shields is scheduled to throw tomorrow, lining him up nicely for Tuesday.  But what about Oakland being 16 games above .500 at home and -1 on the road? 

I think there's no way Bumgarner throws on Sunday either, but either Liriano or Cole will have to sit for the Bucs.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2014, 01:33:22 pm
Derek Jeter is not the greatest player ever, even among his current teammates. That honor belongs to Ichiro. Someone please tell me why Ichiro consistently bats eight or ninth in the Yankee lineup, despite having the highest average of any starter?

If Jeter had played in Seattle his whole career, you'd hardly hear anything about him.

say what? isn't he sixth on the all time hits list?
Had Ichiro spent his whole career in MLB instead of Japan for his prime, he'd probably be top three all time in hits.

I love Ichiro and don't disagree with you although I don't know that I would consider him a better player than Jeter or maybe I would (Listen, I'm a Jeter basher myself but the facts are the facts.. the guy has four or five World Series rings and at least in the first half of his career was fairly clutch...).....but Jeter did spend his whole career and only five people have more hits in the MLB....you can't knock him because of what Ichiro might have accomplished... and, having lived in Japan 5 years, let me assure you Japanese baseball is an entire different animal so don't add all his Japan hits to his US hits or assume its comparable or that he'd have developed the same way had he been born in the US or something....

is Jeter limping towards the end? yes.... is he a defensive liability? yes..... but at the end of the day he proved his naysayer wrong.. i thought he was done quite  a few years ago and the guy that ended up being done was Nomar... Jeter recaptured some of his magic and prolonged his career in a way i did not think possible..although he was never mr. clutch again.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 24, 2014, 02:05:45 pm
Baseball is a team sport. Jeter has five rings because George bought the teams that could win five rings. If Jeter had been on the Mariners, the Yanks would probably still have won five Series. The Seattle owners never spent any money, of course Ichiro never got any rings.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 24, 2014, 02:37:12 pm
Judging players based on TEAM titles "they" won is a really dumb - albeit popular - way for people who don't like critical thinking to make assessments.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 24, 2014, 02:42:31 pm
I love Ichiro and don't disagree with you although I don't know that I would consider him a better player than Jeter or maybe I would (Listen, I'm a Jeter basher myself but the facts are the facts.. the guy has four or five World Series rings and at least in the first half of his career was fairly clutch...).....but Jeter did spend his whole career and only five people have more hits in the MLB....you can't knock him because of what Ichiro might have accomplished... and, having lived in Japan 5 years, let me assure you Japanese baseball is an entire different animal so don't add all his Japan hits to his US hits or assume its comparable or that he'd have developed the same way had he been born in the US or something....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1737669-how-many-hits-would-ichiro-have-had-if-his-entire-career-was-in-mlb (conservative estimate - 3550)

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/7/2/3124028/could-ichiro-have-passed-pete-rose (liberal estimate - 3900 a year ago)

I'm loathe to link to Bleacher Report but since I can't find the analysis I remembered reading, this was a pretty good, cited link to some analysis that agrees with the idea that hypothetical MLB-Only Ichiro would not have lost a ton of his 4,000 professional hits.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 24, 2014, 04:04:48 pm
Smacks, a hypothetical:

Let's say Cleveland somehow wins out and gets to 88 wins. Kansas City falters (in part because of Cleveland sweeping them) and gets to 88 wins. Seattle only wins 3 more and also finishes with 88 wins. Oakland wins at least 3 and gets the first wild card, and Detroit wins the Central. With three teams tied for the second wild-card spot, what sort of weird one-game round robin would we be looking at?

Hypothetical number 2: the same as above but this time Oakland stumbles down the stretch and all four teams are tied at 88 wins? How does that Wild Card scenario get resolved?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Yada on September 24, 2014, 04:21:17 pm
@bookert

let's go bucs!

https://vine.co/v/O7tjEJzYAQ5
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 24, 2014, 04:21:26 pm
Smacks, a hypothetical:

Let's say Cleveland somehow wins out and gets to 88 wins. Kansas City falters (in part because of Cleveland sweeping them) and gets to 88 wins. Seattle only wins 3 more and also finishes with 88 wins. Oakland wins at least 3 and gets the first wild card, and Detroit wins the Central. With three teams tied for the second wild-card spot, what sort of weird one-game round robin would we be looking at?

Hypothetical number 2: the same as above but this time Oakland stumbles down the stretch and all four teams are tied at 88 wins? How does that Wild Card scenario get resolved?

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/59527184/playoff-tiebreaker-rules
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 24, 2014, 04:27:36 pm
Smacks, a hypothetical:

Let's say Cleveland somehow wins out and gets to 88 wins. Kansas City falters (in part because of Cleveland sweeping them) and gets to 88 wins. Seattle only wins 3 more and also finishes with 88 wins. Oakland wins at least 3 and gets the first wild card, and Detroit wins the Central. With three teams tied for the second wild-card spot, what sort of weird one-game round robin would we be looking at?

Hypothetical number 2: the same as above but this time Oakland stumbles down the stretch and all four teams are tied at 88 wins? How does that Wild Card scenario get resolved?

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/59527184/playoff-tiebreaker-rules
Thank you, but you're missing some of the subtle nuance of this situation. Smackie greatly enjoys researching this sort of baseball minutia and explaining it to me, and I greatly enjoy not having to do any research whatsoever and listening to my baseball bed time story from Uncle Smacks. Yes, I can get the information this way, but you're ruining it for us. *stomps foot*
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 24, 2014, 04:42:15 pm
Yankees officially eliminated.  Jeter watches from the on deck circle.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 24, 2014, 05:19:41 pm
Smacks, a hypothetical:

When I first heard the three-way scenario on the MLB Network one night, I thought it was AWESOME!

Then I realized it was basically how they used to decide the NCAA World Series and remembered how shitty that was.  But basically, based on head to head records and division records they seed them 1,2,3.  Team 1 plays Team 2, winner plays Team 3 and that winner moves on.  How it's fair that one team has to win Two Games and one only has to win once I'll never understand, but they can't go on forever.

A four way tie is simple - 1 plays 2, 3 plays 4.  For one spot, winner game one plays the winner of game 2.  For two wildcard spots, the winners of Game One and Game two are the Wild Cards, they each other to move on.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 24, 2014, 05:37:10 pm
Also, Trout taken out of the game today for undisclosed reasons.  It's hot today so I hope that's all it is, but these are the things that keep me up at night.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 24, 2014, 05:42:07 pm
Also, Trout taken out of the game today for undisclosed reasons.  It's hot today so I hope that's all it is, but these are the things that keep me up at night.

I thought three-way scenarios kept you up at night.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 24, 2014, 05:49:00 pm
I thought three-way scenarios kept you up at night.

You know you've reached a milestone in your life when you read something like that, get that half smile and think back to how great those days were with pride.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 24, 2014, 06:13:53 pm
Also, with his final scheduled start complete, Minnesota Twins RHP Phil Hughes has the best single-season strikeout-to-walk ratio (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?c_id=min&gid=2014_09_24_arimlb_minmlb_1&mode=recap&partnerId=as_mlb_20140924_32253396) IN HISTORY.

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2014, 06:30:30 pm
Baseball is a team sport but Reggie Jackson is known as Mr. October for a reason and Arod is known as Mr. May for a reason.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2014, 06:31:30 pm
I think Ichiro is a tremendous player.. heck as I recall one year he got 260 hits! .. I mean he was averaging close to 250 hits a year for a while .. obscene....

I'm just not going to use that fact to take anything away from Jeter....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 24, 2014, 09:46:41 pm
Baseball is a team sport but Reggie Jackson is known as Mr. October for a reason and Arod is known as Mr. May for a reason.

Reggie was known as Mr. October because he actually did something in October.  Jeter was on teams that won in October..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2014, 10:36:44 pm
Baseball is a team sport but Reggie Jackson is known as Mr. October for a reason and Arod is known as Mr. May for a reason.

Reggie was known as Mr. October because he actually did something in October.  Jeter was on teams that won in October..

ah .. I think for a while there Jeter was pretty clutch  but opinions may vary.. I don't really feel like looking up the stats...

anyways, I'm no Jeter fanboy.. I wish he had never announced he was retiring at the end of the season.... I see no need for this farewell tour.... the Gatorade commercial is way over the top

but what is the point? Jeter is a first ballot hall of famer... I mean what are we arguing about here???

He's not a great player? Ichiro is greater than Jeter? There's a ton of other players who have had better careers?

I assume y'all aren't just a bunch of Jeter haters or something..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 07:44:03 am
http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/09/24/keith-olbermann-derek-jeter-new-york-yankees

This is awesome.  I'm so tired of Jeter worship.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 07:44:33 am
I should add I don't hate him.  I think he's a respectable player.  But, he's not the second coming.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2014, 08:30:38 am
I should add I don't hate him.  I think he's a respectable player.  But, he's not the second coming.

well you're a a Yankee hater so I take what you say with some salt...

"respectable"???

come on now!  ;D
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 25, 2014, 09:05:53 am
I will openly admit, Jeter and Peyton manning are my two most hated athletes. Jeter's personality is just obnoxious.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 09:31:04 am
Regardless of the steroid use, isn't A-Rod at least as repulsive as Jeter?

I will openly admit, Jeter and Peyton manning are my two most hated athletes. Jeter's personality is just obnoxious.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 25, 2014, 09:58:48 am
Regardless of the steroid use, isn't A-Rod at least as repulsive as Jeter?

I will openly admit, Jeter and Peyton manning are my two most hated athletes. Jeter's personality is just obnoxious.
You know, I can't make an objective case for Jeter being more odious than A-Rod, but there's something about Jeter and Peyton's ability to skate on everything that drives me nuts. Jeter is a vain, womanizing, arrogant asshole who has been subpar defensively his entire career, and hasn't been any good in five years. The guy is probably riddled with venereal disease, and yet he's held up like the epitome of class. A-Rod is a cheating, vain, womanizing asshole who is called out on being a cheating, vain womanizing asshole. That doesn't make me "like" A-Rod but I at least feel he's gotten what's coming to him while the baseball media glorifies Jeter and openly weep at his retirement.

Peyton is the most overhyped, accomplish nothing athlete of our generation, and is by all accounts a terrible teammate. He called an All-Star teammate a liquored up idiot on National television. He went 0-4 against his biggest rival in college and instead of any accountability from anyone about that, Tennessee fans openly weep and gnash their teeth to this day that "Peyton Manning's Heisman" was stolen in 1997. He has a losing record in the playoffs all time, usually as a result of his subpar play and turnovers. But that's never the Peyton Manning narrative, its how he's virtually a coach and makes a million decisions on the fly.

I guess I have real issues with people who are Teflon and nothing they do ever sticks to them.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2014, 10:41:11 am
You know, I can't make an objective case for Jeter being more odious than A-Rod, but there's something about Jeter and Peyton's ability to skate on everything that drives me nuts. Jeter is a vain, womanizing, arrogant asshole who has been subpar defensively his entire career, and hasn't been any good in five years. The guy is probably riddled with venereal disease, and yet he's held up like the epitome of class.


OK i can't argue with this because its the stupidest thing I've read...

In over 2900 games Jeter never got tossed once which I would say is pretty classy..... As far as short stops who played the game he is top five in most every hitting statistic...

As far as his dating life who cares? I don't even know that much about it... but with your criteria I guess you would have also hated Babe Ruth and dozens of other great ballplayers...

I agree he's been sub par defensively for a while..but the man does have five gold gloves and definitely made some nice catches and throws...

At the end of the day I'm left to conclude you're just Jeter haters to the point you're blind to his baseball accomplishments which is sad for you..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 25, 2014, 10:51:52 am

"Here are Alan Trammell?s and Derek Jeter?s neutralized offensive numbers.

Trammell: .289/.357/.420
Jeter: .307/.375/..439

Jeter was a better hitter. But it was closer than you might think. They had similar strengths offensively. At their best, they were .300 hitters with some power and some speed. Both lost deserving MVP awards to players who hit a lot of home runs and had a lot of RBIs. Jeter played in a historically high scoring time which inflated his numbers. Trammell played in a low-scoring time, which depressed his. So their actual numbers diverge. Plus Jeter was much more dependable which is no small thing. Jeter played in 300-plus more games. He played 140-plus games in 15 seasons. Trammell because of injuries and such managed only eight 140-game seasons.

But Trammell has his advantages too ? namely defense. Trammell was a much, much, much, much, much, much ? can?t put ?much? in here enough times ? much better defensive shortstop.

By Baseball Reference?s defensive WAR Trammell was 22 wins better than a replacement shortstop. Jeter was nine runs worse.

By Fangraphs, Trammell was 76 runs better than a replacement shortstop. Jeter was 139 runs worse."



http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/15/derek-jeters-great-but-lets-compare-to-alan-trammell/

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 11:06:10 am
Wait. Jeter is womanizer? I thought he was gay.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 11:17:13 am
I should add I don't hate him.  I think he's a respectable player.  But, he's not the second coming.

well you're a a Yankee hater so I take what you say with some salt...

"respectable"???

come on now!  ;D

Not a Yankee hater, I just don't like them.  I DO hate A-Rod.

Jeter is one of the best defensive players we'll ever see.  And he wasn't an asshole. And he hooked up his woman prospects with great swag.  AND he was engaged to Lila Garriety...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 11:18:56 am
http://deadspin.com/5867626/report-derek-jeter-once-again-plowing-everything-in-sight
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 25, 2014, 11:34:55 am
Jeter is one of the best defensive players we'll ever see. 
Did you see Shemp's article above? This is an indefensible statement. Its like all people remember is that one time he went into the 3rd base seats and the staggering mathematical evidence that disagrees with one isolated incident.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 25, 2014, 12:29:09 pm
  AND he was engaged to Lila Garriety...

I refer to her as Autumn.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 25, 2014, 12:30:36 pm
Also, with his final scheduled start complete, Minnesota Twins RHP Phil Hughes has the best single-season strikeout-to-walk ratio (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?c_id=min&gid=2014_09_24_arimlb_minmlb_1&mode=recap&partnerId=as_mlb_20140924_32253396) IN HISTORY.

Also got totally screwed by the rain yesterday.  1/3 of an inning away from a $500k bonus.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 12:31:18 pm
Not to be outdone, former Yankee infielder Wilson Delgado was recently spotted bedding a Chevy, when sources found him asleep in his Chevette outside an Arby's in Queens.
http://deadspin.com/5867626/report-derek-jeter-once-again-plowing-everything-in-sight
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2014, 01:01:59 pm
I don't get it.. he's a terrible guy for getting laid a lot?


He is SINGLE.


Even I have to believe the bit about him being a great defensive player was a joke

Alan Trammel was a heck of a ballplayer...loved him....



Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 25, 2014, 01:14:41 pm
Alan Trammel was a heck of a ballplayer...loved him....
I'm a Tigers fan and I always thought Trammell was a borderline HoF'er at best. There's people in both the Tigers fan community (and some statisticians) who argue he's a top-ten all-time SS and I just don't know what those people are on.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 01:21:02 pm
A single, never married  40 year old straight guy who gets laid a lot (I get older, they stay the same) is always going to be looked down on in this world.

Rightfully so.




I don't get it.. he's a terrible guy for getting laid a lot?


He is SINGLE.


Even I have to believe the bit about him being a great defensive player was a joke

Alan Trammel was a heck of a ballplayer...loved him....




Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2014, 01:24:38 pm
A single, never married  40 year old straight guy who gets laid a lot (I get older, they stay the same) is always going to be looked down on in this world.

Rightfully so.




I don't get it.. he's a terrible guy for getting laid a lot?


He is SINGLE.


Even I have to believe the bit about him being a great defensive player was a joke

Alan Trammel was a heck of a ballplayer...loved him....





oh what a load of baloney.....i mean he's going to be looked down on by you and a bunch of Jeter haters but I think most people realize there is nothing wrong with sex between consenting adults....or with people not getting married (for whatever reason)....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 01:29:39 pm
I don't think it has anything to do with being a Jeter hater.

I think most people would look down on a 40+ man who is still a player with the women. They would regard it as a severe lack of maturation.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2014, 01:50:31 pm
I don't think it has anything to do with being a Jeter hater.

I think most people would look down on a 40+ man who is still a player with the women. They would regard it as a severe lack of maturation.

that is idiotic..if a 40 year old single man wants to have concensual sex with women I don't know what business it is of anybody's else...or why anybody would look down on it.

pretty sure the people who look down on it are the ones who married the first chick that would have sex with them..

anyways, it has zero to do with jeter as a ballplayer.... and in case you're not aware of it many ballplayers get plenty of tail
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 01:52:19 pm
You don't have any daughters, do you?

I don't think it has anything to do with being a Jeter hater.

I think most people would look down on a 40+ man who is still a player with the women. They would regard it as a severe lack of maturation.

that is idiotic..if a 40 year old single man wants to have concensual sex with women I don't know what business it is of anybody's else...or why anybody would look down on it.

pretty sure the people who look down on it are the ones who married the first chick that would have sex with them..

anyways, it has zero to do with jeter as a ballplayer.... and in case you're not aware of it many ballplayers get plenty of tail
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 25, 2014, 01:54:58 pm
So who makes the 25 man playoff roster?

C - Ianetta
1B - Pujols
2B - Kendrick
SS - Aybar
3B - Freese
LF - Hamilton
CF - Trout
RF - Calhoun

BENCH - Conger, Cowgill, Beckham, Cron, Navarro

STARTERS - Weaver, Shoemaker, Wilson, Santiago
PEN - Street, Smith, Grilli, Jepsen, Rasmus, Salas, Thatcher, Pestano
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2014, 01:57:04 pm
You don't have any daughters, do you?

I don't think it has anything to do with being a Jeter hater.

I think most people would look down on a 40+ man who is still a player with the women. They would regard it as a severe lack of maturation.

that is idiotic..if a 40 year old single man wants to have concensual sex with women I don't know what business it is of anybody's else...or why anybody would look down on it.

pretty sure the people who look down on it are the ones who married the first chick that would have sex with them..

anyways, it has zero to do with jeter as a ballplayer.... and in case you're not aware of it many ballplayers get plenty of tail

you know i don't.

but i actually think your implication is sexist....what? women dont' want to have consensual sex with plenty of men?? its bad for them to?

there is nothing wrong with people having sex...as much as they want with whoever they want...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 25, 2014, 02:09:36 pm
http://gawker.com/derek-jeter-was-ok-1639023597/+tcraggs22

Baseball Reference calculates that the player whose career most closely resembles Jeter's is Craig Biggio of the Houston Astros.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 02:10:32 pm
there is nothing wrong with people having sex...as much as they want with whoever they want


Without stating my own personal opinion, I'm willing to bet you are in the minority on that statement.


women dont' want to have consensual sex with plenty of men??


I'm willing to bet that most women don't see having many notches on their bedposts as a badge of honor.


You don't have any daughters, do you?

I don't think it has anything to do with being a Jeter hater.

I think most people would look down on a 40+ man who is still a player with the women. They would regard it as a severe lack of maturation.

that is idiotic..if a 40 year old single man wants to have concensual sex with women I don't know what business it is of anybody's else...or why anybody would look down on it.

pretty sure the people who look down on it are the ones who married the first chick that would have sex with them..

anyways, it has zero to do with jeter as a ballplayer.... and in case you're not aware of it many ballplayers get plenty of tail

you know i don't.

but i actually think your implication is sexist....what? women dont' want to have consensual sex with plenty of men?? its bad for them to?

there is nothing wrong with people having sex...as much as they want with whoever they want...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 25, 2014, 02:29:43 pm
"Jeter has recorded the most multi-hit games against the Orioles all-time (105) and scored more runs (205) against them than any other player. His 351 hits against the Orioles trail only Carl Yastrzemski (363) and his 69 doubles are second to Yastrzemski's 83.

Jeter's 290 games played against the Orioles are the third-most all-time, behind Al Kaline (345) and Yastrzemski (343).

Jeter's 184 hits and 99 runs scored at Camden Yards are the most by anyone who hasn't played for the Orioles."

See - we're happy he's leaving.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2014, 05:34:28 pm
there is nothing wrong with people having sex...as much as they want with whoever they want


Without stating my own personal opinion, I'm willing to bet you are in the minority on that statement.


women dont' want to have consensual sex with plenty of men??


I'm willing to bet that most women don't see having many notches on their bedposts as a badge of honor.


You don't have any daughters, do you?

I don't think it has anything to do with being a Jeter hater.

I think most people would look down on a 40+ man who is still a player with the women. They would regard it as a severe lack of maturation.

that is idiotic..if a 40 year old single man wants to have concensual sex with women I don't know what business it is of anybody's else...or why anybody would look down on it.

pretty sure the people who look down on it are the ones who married the first chick that would have sex with them..

anyways, it has zero to do with jeter as a ballplayer.... and in case you're not aware of it many ballplayers get plenty of tail

you know i don't.

but i actually think your implication is sexist....what? women dont' want to have consensual sex with plenty of men?? its bad for them to?

there is nothing wrong with people having sex...as much as they want with whoever they want...

utter tosh... the idea that men having sex with multiple partners must necessarily view it as notches in their belt? WTF is that? Some men do and some men don't..just like some women do and some don't

your problem James Fordish is that you look at the world and assume everyone looks at it the way you do.... but even where that so, and its open to debate, you seem to believe that a majority thinking one thing or the other means something...

The majority is often a bunch of sheeple.... I mean who cares if most people think something or don't?

A majority of people thought for centuries that being gay was a terrible thing....who gives a shit what the majority thinks??

But I guess feeling a majority agrees with you makes you feel secure....its weird.. you see I'm the opposite.. when I see a majority agrees with me I get worried..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on September 25, 2014, 06:17:22 pm
there is nothing wrong with people having sex...as much as they want with whoever they want


Without stating my own personal opinion, I'm willing to bet you are in the minority on that statement.


women dont' want to have consensual sex with plenty of men??


I'm willing to bet that most women don't see having many notches on their bedposts as a badge of honor.


You don't have any daughters, do you?

I don't think it has anything to do with being a Jeter hater.

I think most people would look down on a 40+ man who is still a player with the women. They would regard it as a severe lack of maturation.

that is idiotic..if a 40 year old single man wants to have concensual sex with women I don't know what business it is of anybody's else...or why anybody would look down on it.

pretty sure the people who look down on it are the ones who married the first chick that would have sex with them..

anyways, it has zero to do with jeter as a ballplayer.... and in case you're not aware of it many ballplayers get plenty of tail

you know i don't.

but i actually think your implication is sexist....what? women dont' want to have consensual sex with plenty of men?? its bad for them to?

there is nothing wrong with people having sex...as much as they want with whoever they want...

james ford you be livin in la la land on this one
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 26, 2014, 12:00:56 am
The only thing that would have made that better is if it clinched home field advantage for the Angels.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 26, 2014, 12:54:59 am
Jeter haters SUCK IT (just like you always have)!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: eros on September 26, 2014, 09:30:12 am
In a normal situation he would've been intentionally walked there.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 26, 2014, 09:34:12 am
In a normal situation he would've been intentionally walked there.
In a normal situation, he would've been benched four seasons ago, and retired three seasons ago. But, you know, his ego is more important than the team competing for the playoffs with actual MLB-caliber players. What leadership! What class!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 26, 2014, 11:23:45 am
In a normal situation, Zach Britton would have been on the mound with a tie in the bottom of the ninth, not Evan MEEK.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 26, 2014, 02:05:41 pm
Who cares?

Let's talk about the important things - if you're the Giants/Pirates/A's/Royals, how important is home field for the one game playoff?  Who do you pitch on Sunday if it might decide whether or not you have to travel to, say Pittsburgh or San Francisco?

The Bucs could go all out this weekend to avoid the Wild Card and start Liriano and Cole, leaving them with Liriano on 3 days rest to face the Giants on Wednesday.  What a gamble!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 28, 2014, 01:16:07 pm
Who cares?

Let's talk about the important things - if you're the Giants/Pirates/A's/Royals, how important is home field for the one game playoff?  Who do you pitch on Sunday if it might decide whether or not you have to travel to, say Pittsburgh or San Francisco?

The Bucs could go all out this weekend to avoid the Wild Card and start Liriano and Cole, leaving them with Liriano on 3 days rest to face the Giants on Wednesday.  What a gamble!

Holy shit, Hurdle's going to do it.  This is a a huge mistake.  Best case scenario, you win today against Cueto, Wainright somehow loses to the D-Backs, you throw Volquez tomorrow against Shelby Miller (?) and have Locke or Worley for the Wildcard or game one of the NLDS?

Worst case scenario, you have Edinson Volquez to face Bumgarner instead of Gerrit Cole.

Seems like the middle ground was the right option - save Cole for the Wild Card game. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 28, 2014, 02:45:35 pm
Also, can we please let this become a "thing":

Fans Troll Kimbrel's Delivery (http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/2014/09/28/96763300/phillies-fans-impersonate-craig-kimbrel-get-great-workout-in?partnerId=as_mlb_20140928_32461466)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 28, 2014, 06:00:36 pm
Jeter's last AB - a Baltimore chop.  Sweet.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2014, 10:35:01 am
4 of the 5 California teams made the playoffs.  If the A's and Giants win the Wild Card games, that could be a scheduling nightmare for MLB.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 29, 2014, 10:45:17 am
4 of the 5 California teams made the playoffs.  If the A's and Giants win the Wild Card games, that could be a scheduling nightmare for MLB.
I was thinking about this too. Lots of late nights upcoming for us East Coasters.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on September 29, 2014, 10:56:44 am
Also, can we please let this become a "thing":

Fans Troll Kimbrel's Delivery (http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/2014/09/28/96763300/phillies-fans-impersonate-craig-kimbrel-get-great-workout-in?partnerId=as_mlb_20140928_32461466)
I hope so too. This is too good. Philadelphia did something good this season!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2014, 12:28:11 pm
Last year, the 4 games in one day were at 1:00 PM, 3:00 PM, 6:00 PM and 9:30 PM.

The 9:30 game is almost certainly going to be Cardinals v Dodgers.  The Angels won't get the 1:00 slot, so I expect the 3:00 game to be Anaheim, regardless of who they play.

If the Giants win, I think the Nats will get the 6:00pm slot.  Not sure what happens if the Pirates win.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2014, 12:31:35 pm
Unofficially the Orioles are getting the 6PM on Thursday and the 1PM on Friday.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2014, 12:45:24 pm
Unofficially the Orioles are getting the 6PM on Thursday and the 1PM on Friday.

The Thursday game will be 5PM, and that's pretty certain to be the O's as the other game is guaranteed to be on the West Coast and will be in the 8:30 time slot if they do the same as last year.

I suspect the 1PM game on Friday will be Baltimore as well.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2014, 02:39:50 pm
TBS website says 6 and 9:30 for the Thursday games.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2014, 02:49:42 pm
http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-2014-baseball-playoffs-hateability-index-1412008971?tesla=y&mg=reno64-wsj
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2014, 02:51:15 pm
TBS website says 6 and 9:30 for the Thursday games.

You're right - I was looking at last year's schedule. 

They're really screwing over the East Coast with that move....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2014, 02:56:19 pm
TBS website says 6 and 9:30 for the Thursday games.

You're right - I was looking at last year's schedule. 

They're really screwing over the East Coast with that move....

Says 6 and 9:30 for Friday too.  And those are supposed to be ALDS....?  Hmmmm.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2014, 03:16:07 pm
Says 6 and 9:30 for Friday too.  And those are supposed to be ALDS....?  Hmmmm.

They're not going to double games up on us are they?  I will be incensed....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2014, 03:17:53 pm
Says 6 and 9:30 for Friday too.  And those are supposed to be ALDS....?  Hmmmm.

They're not going to double games up on us are they?  I will be incensed....


Maybe NLDS games will be early.  FS1 site is non-committal so far.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on September 29, 2014, 03:18:36 pm
Some of the games are on TBS and some of them are on FS1.  For the ALDS/NLDS the games will likely be doubled up.  

Unofficial word is the O's will be at 1pm on Friday.

yell at america for liking the NFL more now.

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2014, 03:21:45 pm
Unofficial word is the O's will be at 1pm on Friday.

Right, that's what we all assumed.  But as Shemp pointed out, TBS says the Friday TBS games (ie, ALDS) are 6 and 9:30.

This is the first year with the DS on two different networks, so I'm hoping TBS just jumped the gun on the schedule...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on September 29, 2014, 03:50:50 pm
I'm actually hoping for the 6pm game on Friday.

but I don't think that's going to happen.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2014, 05:34:28 pm
MLB won't announce the times until tomorrow.  Bastards! 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2014, 06:44:26 pm
MLB won't announce the times until tomorrow.  Bastards! 

This is what the Angels are saying:

AMERICAN LEAGUE DIVISION SERIES START TIMES:

Depending on the outcome of the AL Wild Card Game, the Angels will play Game 1 this Thursday at Angel Stadium vs. Kansas City at 6:07pm PT or vs. Oakland at 6:37pm PT.

Game 2 at Angel Stadium will start Friday at 6:37pm PT (KC) or 7:07pm PT (OAK)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2014, 06:50:26 pm
Game 1 between the Orioles and Tigers at Camden Yards will start at 5:37 p.m. if the Royals win the American League wild card game, and 6:07 p.m. if the Athletics are victorious.

Game 2 on Friday at Camden Yards will begin at 3:07 p.m. if the Pirates win the National League wild card game, and 12:07 p.m. if the Giants are victorious.

If the Giants win 'Sleep fast', as Buck would say.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2014, 07:13:47 pm
OK -

THURSDAY

6 Detroit at Baltimore
9/930 KC/Oak at Anaheim

FRIDAY

12 Detroit at Baltimore or Pittsburgh at Washington
3/330 SF at Washington or Detroit at Baltimore
630 Cards at Dodgers
930/10 KC/Oak at Angels

I will start creating fake meetings on my calendar accordingly...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on September 30, 2014, 08:47:35 am
Well happy long weekend to me!

LET'S GO O's!!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on September 30, 2014, 09:06:04 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/29/upshot/the-2014-mlb-playoffs-have-a-neighborly-feel.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0

This year?s postseason offers the most intriguing set of potential geographic matchups in years. There are four possible World Series matchups involving local rivals: Dodgers-Angels, Nationals-Orioles, Cardinals-Royals and A?s-Giants. An earlier round could feature a series between the Dodgers and the Giants, one of baseball?s most historic rivalries.

It may be the largest group of potential regional matchups in the era of expanded playoffs, which began in 1995.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 12:06:50 pm
It's an absolute delight for me. 

I obviously grew up in Anaheim, know a ton of Dodger fans, lived in DC when Baltimore was the only game in town and still have ties to a ton of DC folks, and now live next to the ballpark in SF and work near Oakland.  I even have some close friends from my Commish days in KC. 

Julian's all I got on the Tigers, but he's known to be outspoken...

This might be the greatest playoff scenario I could possibly have dreamed up.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 30, 2014, 12:26:58 pm
Julian's all I got on the Tigers, but he's known to be outspoken...
I've got Baltimore in 4, for the record.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2014, 12:31:13 pm
Julian's all I got on the Tigers, but he's known to be outspoken...
I've got Baltimore in 4, for the record.

I've got tickets for Game 5, but I'd gladly take a refund and go to the ALCS.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 30, 2014, 12:35:32 pm
Julian's all I got on the Tigers, but he's known to be outspoken...
I've got Baltimore in 4, for the record.

I've got tickets for Game 5, but I'd gladly take a refund and go to the ALCS.
I'm nowhere near as optimistic about Detroit's chances as I was the last three years. Detroit will dominate one game in this series; Baltimore will too. Detroit will lose one game of the 1-0 or 2-1 variety, and their bullpen will give up 5 in another. Baltimore in 4.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 30, 2014, 12:36:59 pm
Detroit took four of five from the Orioles during the regular season.

Is that fact irrelevant in the playoffs?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2014, 12:38:24 pm
Detroit took four of five from the Orioles during the regular season.

Is that fact irrelevant in the playoffs?

as far as predicting...everything is irrelevant.. .each game has a life of its own....all we can say are some teams arrive at the playoffs looking terrible (like Oakland) while others look great (the Nats)

that's about the only factor i would consider in making predictions...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 30, 2014, 12:39:05 pm
Detroit took four of five from the Orioles during the regular season.

Is that fact irrelevant in the playoffs?
This Detroit team is going to lose hilariously. I can just feel it. They are like a giant slice of swiss cheese with these huge holes and no matter what they do, Baltimore is bound to hit one of them.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2014, 12:52:47 pm
Detroit took four of five from the Orioles during the regular season.

Is that fact irrelevant in the playoffs?

It is.  Plus that was way back in May.  Hunter was still the closer then.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on September 30, 2014, 01:00:21 pm
And Weiters was the catcher.

Detroit took four of five from the Orioles during the regular season.

Is that fact irrelevant in the playoffs?

It is.  Plus that was way back in May.  Hunter was still the closer then.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on September 30, 2014, 01:43:29 pm
The AL East Champion Baltimore Orioles will host the AL Central Champion Detroit Tigers in Game 1 of the AL Division Series at Camden Yards on Thursday, October 2nd at either 5:37 p.m. (ET) or 6:07 p.m. (ET), depending on the winner of the AL Wild Card Game.  Later that evening, at either 9:07 p.m. (ET)/6:07 p.m. (PT) or 9:37 p.m. (ET)/6:37 p.m. (PT), the AL West Champion Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim will host the winner of the AL Wild Card Game (either the Oakland Athletics or the Kansas City Royals) in Game 1 of the ALDS at Angel Stadium.  Both of Thursday?s games will be exclusively televised by TBS.

On Friday, October 3rd, the Eastern start times of the four Division Series games will be 12:07 p.m.; 3:07 p.m.; 6:37 p.m.; and either 9:37 p.m. or 10:07 p.m.  The Division Series matchups in those time slots are still to be determined based on the winners of the AL and NL Wild Card Games presented by Budweiser.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2014/09/29/mlb-releases-division-series-start-times-and-networks-through-sunday/
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on September 30, 2014, 03:05:53 pm
Detroit took four of five from the Orioles during the regular season.

Is that fact irrelevant in the playoffs?
This Detroit team is going to lose hilariously. I can just feel it. They are like a giant slice of swiss cheese with these huge holes and no matter what they do, Baltimore is bound to hit one of them.

Here's hoping the bats come alive for the Orioles.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 07:05:58 pm
Adam Dunn not in the lineup for the A's!?

First playoff game in his 13 year career and he sits.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2014, 08:52:18 pm
I don't know..its weird to hear baseball all season with certain announcers and then suddenly a totally different crew on TBS
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2014, 09:01:43 pm
I don't know..its weird to hear baseball all season with certain announcers and then suddenly a totally different crew on TBS

Darling used to do Nats games.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 30, 2014, 09:16:34 pm
I know Cespedes doesn't get to that blooper that made it 3-2, but it's fun to pretend he would've...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2014, 09:24:19 pm
There's a part of me that wants Billy Beane to never ever win anything. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2014, 09:30:49 pm
whoa....new AC/DC song!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2014, 10:00:26 pm
Well that move didn't work.  Why are you bringing in a starter when you have such a good 'pen?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 10:10:59 pm
Well that move didn't work.  Why are you bringing in a starter when you have such a good 'pen?

There's a verb for that.  It's called "Ned Yosting".....

And I guess Moss for Dunn was a wise move.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 11:09:31 pm
The harder I search for good seats in Oakland for Sunday and Monday, the quicker the Royals keep coming back.... 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on September 30, 2014, 11:22:09 pm
ugh, KC's excitement got the best of them on those two ABs.  gregerson gave them nothing and they were up there hacking away.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 11:44:56 pm
Free Baseball!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on September 30, 2014, 11:45:51 pm
some serious 2014 flashbacks going on right now
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 11:54:34 pm
Billy Butlers stupid "steal" injured Soto, allowing the Royals to run all over the A's, just like Ned Yost planned it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on September 30, 2014, 11:58:47 pm
more free baseball!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 11:58:50 pm
If these guys go 18-20 innings, Smackie will be a happy camper....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 01, 2014, 12:00:16 am
<3 west coast baseball
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 12:03:04 am
gosh darn it i got to go to bed!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 12:23:39 am
<3 west coast baseball

I just asked this question of my buddies, but I think we know the answer:

If we get to the point when there are only West Coast teams left, do you think Fox and TBS will start showing the broadcast times in Pacific Time?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 12:42:36 am
MORE FREE BASEBALL!!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 01, 2014, 12:43:14 am
this is just the best
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 01, 2014, 12:44:20 am
MORE FREE BASEBALL!!!!

we don't know that yet.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 12:45:28 am
Remember that strategy for a one game playoff where you stack your lineup with batters and short relievers because you can reset for the LDS?  Oops...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 01, 2014, 12:53:55 am
NO MORE FREE BASEBALL!!!!  SUCK IT BILLY BEANE!!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 12:55:06 am
MORE FREE BASEBALL!!!!

we don't know that yet.

Touche.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 01, 2014, 12:55:17 am
i can't believe it's perez who gets the game-winning hit
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 12:55:38 am
Billy Butlers stupid "steal" injured Soto, allowing the Royals to run all over the A's, just like Ned Yost planned it.

Derek Norris was terrible.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 12:56:25 am
i can't believe it's perez who gets the game-winning hit

His previous at bats were just AWFUL.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 12:56:58 am
well...

playoffs off to a great start...

(Yeah can't believe it was Perez either...he looked awful earlier)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 01:16:45 am
well...I like Pedro!

You tell them like it is....in Spanish!


Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 01, 2014, 04:17:57 am
I knew I was going to wake up to this.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 01, 2014, 05:39:41 am
NO MORE FREE BASEBALL!!!!  SUCK IT BILLY BEANE!!!!

With the loss, the A's fall to 1?12 in series-clinching games during the Billy Beane era
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 01, 2014, 05:50:59 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2216639-kansas-city-police-want-the-royals-to-win-so-people-dont-commit-crimes
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 01, 2014, 09:24:20 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2216639-kansas-city-police-want-the-royals-to-win-so-people-dont-commit-crimes
I have family who moved to KC two years ago, and the crime in that city is staggering.

...

Looks like I went to sleep and missed all sorts of awesomeness. Oh well, that's on me. I do love to see Billy Beane get taken down a peg, for reasons I don't really understand.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 01, 2014, 09:48:55 am
Rowan Atkinson

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2216639-kansas-city-police-want-the-royals-to-win-so-people-dont-commit-crimes
I have family who moved to KC two years ago, and the crime in that city is staggering.

...

Looks like I went to sleep and missed all sorts of awesomeness. Oh well, that's on me. I do love to see Billy Beane get taken down a peg, for reasons I don't really understand.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 01, 2014, 10:46:05 am
Rowan Atkinson

Uhh, what about him?

EDIT: nvm i got it
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 11:29:13 am

With the loss, the A's fall to 1?12 in series-clinching games during the Billy Beane era

That's a, uh, a fairly large sample size.  Wow.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 11:33:43 am
well...I like Pedro!

I cant see him keeping that up - I'm sure the exec's had a talk with him after the broadcast - but man, I hope he does because that was awesome. 

Between his message to Ventura and his "what Ned Yost should have said" - it's honesty you just don't see and he was spot on.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 12:08:04 pm
Adam Dunn not in the lineup for the A's!?

First playoff game in his 14 year career and he sits.

Adam Dunn Retired after last nights game, not getting an at bat in his only playoff appearance.  Brutal night for him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 01, 2014, 02:09:06 pm
http://www.wbal.com/article/110121/3/craigslist-ad-offers-alds-orioles-tickets-in-exchange-for-threesome
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 01, 2014, 06:11:21 pm
NO MORE FREE BASEBALL!!!!  SUCK IT BILLY BEANE!!!!

With the loss, the A's fall to 1?12 in series-clinching games during the Billy Beane era

i almost felt bad after posting that.  i've been actively rooting against oakland this year for really no specific reason besides the lovefest for billy beane that continues to pour out.  the reality is, what billy beane has done for baseball is a far greater accomplishment then anything else in the past decade or so.  now that they are out, my feelings are all too bi-polar.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2014, 07:32:09 pm
He's won 74 games or more every year he's been in charge - only the Cardinals and Yankees have accomplished that during his tenure.  That's amazing if you consider the difference in resources.

Yet he's never built a team that could succeed in the playoffs, and this year he tried something completely new by trading one of his chips before the offseason and that failed miserably. 

I'm not sure what he does next - probably trades Donaldson and maybe Smardjzia and rebuilds something - I never know.  Or maybe he just steps down out of frustration. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 09:14:42 pm
whoa..grand slamaroo
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 01, 2014, 09:16:05 pm
He's won 74 games or more every year he's been in charge - only the Cardinals and Yankees have accomplished that during his tenure.  That's amazing if you consider the difference in resources.

Yet he's never built a team that could succeed in the playoffs, and this year he tried something completely new by trading one of his chips before the offseason and that failed miserably. 

I'm not sure what he does next - probably trades Donaldson and maybe Smardjzia and rebuilds something - I never know.  Or maybe he just steps down out of frustration. 

is there any big market teams shopping for a GM?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 01, 2014, 10:00:23 pm
NO MORE FREE BASEBALL!!!!  SUCK IT BILLY BEANE!!!!

With the loss, the A's fall to 1?12 in series-clinching games during the Billy Beane era

i almost felt bad after posting that.  i've been actively rooting against oakland this year for really no specific reason besides the lovefest for billy beane that continues to pour out.  the reality is, what billy beane has done for baseball is a far greater accomplishment then anything else in the past decade or so.  now that they are out, my feelings are all too bi-polar.

Agreed.  My hatred for the teams that throw money at everything far exceeds the notoriety he has achieved.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 10:02:47 pm
so lets cut to my chase..

who pitches for the giants and nats on Saturday (game 2)?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 01, 2014, 10:04:57 pm
It ain't over 'til it's over.  Unless it's over.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 10:07:43 pm
well... I'm still watching...but i think they aint' coming back....

in a way one could argue the pirates would have been a more favorable matchup.... giants having won two world series recently and all....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 01, 2014, 10:19:05 pm
well... I'm still watching...but i think they aint' coming back....

in a way one could argue the pirates would have been a more favorable matchup.... giants having won two world series recently and all....
Pirates pitching rotation would've been much better set up and they were hotter going into the playoffs. I thought Nats fans wanted the Giants?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 10:20:50 pm
well... I'm still watching...but i think they aint' coming back....

in a way one could argue the pirates would have been a more favorable matchup.... giants having won two world series recently and all....
Pirates pitching rotation would've been much better set up and they were hotter going into the playoffs. I thought Nats fans wanted the Giants?

I think they did..... I agree Pirates were hotter coming in...

there is something to be said for playoff experience though...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 01, 2014, 10:22:03 pm
well... I'm still watching...but i think they aint' coming back....

in a way one could argue the pirates would have been a more favorable matchup.... giants having won two world series recently and all....
Pirates pitching rotation would've been much better set up and they were hotter going into the playoffs. I thought Nats fans wanted the Giants?

I think they did..... I agree Pirates were hotter coming in...

there is something to be said for playoff experience though...
i'll concede that.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 10:30:08 pm
fat lady singing..

gotta say the Pirates fans are a real glum bunch...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 01, 2014, 10:32:23 pm
O's nooner then.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2014, 10:38:18 pm
Confirmed: there will not be a 1979 World Series rematch...

sorry Orioles fans.. you will not get to avenge that painful loss.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 01, 2014, 11:34:20 pm
rough game. tough to see the bucs go out like that but they never had a chance tonight. bumgarner was as good as it gets.

nice to see the pittsburgh fans give russell martin an ovation after his last at bat. im not optimistic but i hope they resign him

i was definitely pulling for the pirates but i think the giants are actually better result for the nats. they didnt close the season nearly as well as the pirates and theyve got some big injuries. all that playoff experience is a big deal though, so who knows. should be a tight series. wouldnt surprise me if it goes 5.

they said peavy/hudson/bumgarner/petit for the giants rotation. nothing official but that seems about right for days of rest. hudsons been tricky for the nats over the years so itll be interesting to see who williams counters with
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 02, 2014, 01:37:07 am


Holy shit, Hurdle's going to do it.  This is a a huge mistake. 

Seems like the middle ground was the right option - save Cole for the Wild Card game. 

This game was lost days ago.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 02, 2014, 06:23:07 am
youre the only person ive seen object to the pirates playing for the division on sunday

bumgarner was so good it wouldnt even have mattered who the pirates threw.

in fact id say bumgarner was so good hhe justified pittsburgh not wanting to settle for the wild card.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 02, 2014, 08:39:14 am
The thing I don't see anyone talking about is the Pirates just lost a pitcher named Madison. What is this, softball? That's got to be emasculating for everyone involved.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2014, 10:11:32 am
I don't know why you wrote the Giants where well set up to face the Nats when "Madison" apparently won't be pitching til game 3...

seems like they'd be better set up if he was pitching game 1.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 02, 2014, 10:22:34 am
I don't know why you wrote the Giants where well set up to face the Nats when "Madison" apparently won't be pitching til game 3...

seems like they'd be better set up if he was pitching game 1.
What? I said...

Quote
Pirates pitching rotation would've been much better set up...

Which is true. Had they won, they could've went with their top 2 starters in games 1 and 2, and conceivably again in 4 and 5.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 02, 2014, 10:23:00 am
Gayest sports photo ever. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_908w/2010-2019/Wires/Images/2014-10-02/AP/Giants_Pirates_Baseball-01c51.jpg&w=1484)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2014, 10:28:23 am
I don't know why you wrote the Giants where well set up to face the Nats when "Madison" apparently won't be pitching til game 3...

seems like they'd be better set up if he was pitching game 1.
What? I said...

Quote
Pirates pitching rotation would've been much better set up...

Which is true. Had they won, they could've went with their top 2 starters in games 1 and 2, and conceivably again in 4 and 5.

oops..yeah that makes sense..my bad.

my big nats friend wanted the Giants to win so ...

I just think Bochy knows how to manage playoff games and they know how to play them but we shall see...

Nats are favorites.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2014, 10:36:15 am
I mean compare Bochy's managerial experience in the postseason to Matt Williams....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 02, 2014, 10:46:53 am
thats exactly what im afraid of

williams had a good second half but they say everyones manager of the year material with expanded rosters so the real test will be how he puts the playoff roster together and how he manages playoff games.

but the royals showed that you can win playoff games in spite of your manager, so who knows
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 02, 2014, 12:04:07 pm
youre the only person ive seen object to the pirates playing for the division on sunday

Johnny Cueto, the guy they couldn't beat on Sunday but tried with their better pitcher, is better than Madison Bumgarner.  Adam Wainright, the guy they hoped would lose to the team with the worst record in baseball and was without a manager, is better than Madison Bumgarner.

Read Dave Schoenfeld, Buster Olney and Ken Rosenthal - they all said after the loss on Saturday that this makes the decision easier on Sunday to rest Cole for the Wild Card.

I agree that it might not have made a difference with the way Bumgarner threw last night, but the manager did not give his team the best chance to win the biggest game of the season last night, the only game where the Pirates could control their own destiny.  Bochy did.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 02, 2014, 04:03:37 pm
So who makes the 25 man playoff roster?

C - Ianetta
1B - Pujols
2B - Kendrick
SS - Aybar
3B - Freese
LF - Hamilton
CF - Trout
RF - Calhoun

BENCH - Conger, Cowgill, Beckham, Cron, Navarro

STARTERS - Weaver, Shoemaker, Wilson, Santiago
PEN - Street, Smith, Grilli, Jepsen, Rasmus, Salas, Thatcher, Pestano

The only one I missed was Morin in,  Thatcher out.   That means no lefties in the pen,  assuming Santiago is a starter and not a reliever.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 02, 2014, 09:07:00 pm
Tigers bullpen has given up 8 runs in one third of an inning. I knew they'd blow a game spectacularly....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 02, 2014, 09:14:32 pm
Not to dampen the swellness of it, but kind of wish the O's had saved that inning for tomorrow!

Tigers bullpen has given up 8 runs in one third of an inning. I knew they'd blow a game spectacularly....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 02, 2014, 10:53:19 pm
Not to dampen the swellness of it, but kind of wish the O's had saved that inning for tomorrow!

Tigers bullpen has given up 8 runs in one third of an inning. I knew they'd blow a game spectacularly....

Hey Eeyore - who says it can't happen again tomorrow?  Stop being a menstrual cramp.  
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 02, 2014, 11:07:06 pm
Let's hope so, Pooh.

I need to find a bar with wifi so i can work and watch both games tomorrow.
Not to dampen the swellness of it, but kind of wish the O's had saved that inning for tomorrow!

Tigers bullpen has given up 8 runs in one third of an inning. I knew they'd blow a game spectacularly....

Hey Eeyore - who says it can't happen again tomorrow?  Stop being a menstrual cramp.  
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2014, 12:08:22 am
ok i'm back....post FREEMAN


2-2

i was watching the O's when it was like 3-2 in the 6th.. i get to h street look in a bar and it was like 10-3!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2014, 12:20:41 am
is there anybody out there???

smackie must be sweating it...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2014, 12:55:41 am
these fuckin' west coast teams are going to be the death of me!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 03, 2014, 06:30:32 am
it amazes me how dombrowski has all the money in the world to spend on the tigers, but never puts together a remotely competent bullpen
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 03, 2014, 09:10:50 am
it amazes me how dombrowski has all the money in the world to spend on the tigers, but never puts together a remotely competent bullpen
The crazy thing is, its his stated point of emphasis the last few offseasons. He goes out and spends on it, and players immediately suck when they come to Detroit's pen. Leave Detroit, back to really good. Look at Benoit. Its maddening.

I'd swear there's a gas leak in Detroit's physical bullpen, but it happens on the road too.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 03, 2014, 10:11:18 am
well, first test of williams' playoff managing is in:

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Mark Zuckerman @ZuckermanCSN
#Nats NLDS bench (assuming Zim isn't in lineup): Lobaton, Zimmerman, Frandsen, Espinosa, Schierholtz.
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 Mark Zuckerman @ZuckermanCSN
#Nats NLDS bullpen: Storen, Clippard, Barrett, Thornton, Stammen, Blevins, Soriano, Roark.
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 Mark Zuckerman @ZuckermanCSN
#Nats keep Soriano on NLDS roster, not Detwiler. 12 pitchers. 5-man bench.

at least he left hairston off i guess
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 03, 2014, 10:30:52 am
Detwiler out, Soriano in? Did not see that one coming.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 03, 2014, 10:36:37 am
i understand looking at his whole season and not just the last month, but that has to be a favor to boras. williams seemed hesitant to even use him in mop up situations so i just cant see what his playoff usage could possibly be

personally i wish theyd taken another infielder, cuz who knows how limited zimmrman will be. not sure who though, since none of the september callup infielders really deserved it
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 03, 2014, 10:46:18 am
I think GM's are reluctant to keep their big money guys off of the roster because doing so makes them look bad. Like the O's with Ubaldo. Ryan Webb=Ross Detwiler and Ubaldo=Soriano.

Detwiler out, Soriano in? Did not see that one coming.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 03, 2014, 11:00:39 am
morse left off sf's lineup, fwiw

i like the guy and he was a blast to watch but all his injuries this year made it obvious the nats trading him was the right move
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: radley17 on October 03, 2014, 11:07:11 am
Standing room tickets available for todays game as of 5 minutes ago at Nationals site
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 03, 2014, 11:28:30 am
I think GM's are reluctant to keep their big money guys off of the roster because doing so makes them look bad. Like the O's with Ubaldo. Ryan Webb=Ross Detwiler and Ubaldo=Soriano.

Detwiler out, Soriano in? Did not see that one coming.

this makes sense.  i remember 2007 sox inexplicably kept eric gagne on their playoff roster.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 12:08:29 pm
I think GM's are reluctant to keep their big money guys off of the roster because doing so makes

Doesn't mean the manager has to play them.

I would love to see Scioscia start Navarro tonight over Hamilton.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 12:25:32 pm
smackie must be sweating it...

Funny story.  Those that know me know that I own an exercise bike and would never use it except when there were important sports games on.  I would carry it out to the front room and ride it all game long...

I moved in with my fiancee a while back and the bike didn't make the cut for her tastes (plus we have some in our building gym).  Last night as I'm pacing around the place, sitting on top of the back and arms of furniture, throwing my hat around the room, she asks "where did this come from?"  Remember that exercise bike you made me get rid of?  Well, this is why I owned it.  When I went to get my Louisville Slugger out of the closet for extra innings, she grabbed it and said we'll find something safer for tomorrow.

She's stopping by the sporting goods store today to get me something else to take away the anxiety of watching playoff baseball.  After Game One.     
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on October 03, 2014, 12:29:03 pm
...fiancee...

The triumph of hope over experience?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 12:39:24 pm
The triumph of hope over experience?

I would have been disappointed if you weren't the first to comment.

I did take a number of pages out of your playbook this time around, but didn't follow it to the end.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: imbecile on October 03, 2014, 01:02:32 pm
Standing room tickets available for todays game as of 5 minutes ago at Nationals site


Boatloads on Stubhub for way below face value.

Now, where do i want to sit..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 03, 2014, 01:15:30 pm
I'm seeing 0 tickets left. Did I wait too long?

Standing room tickets available for todays game as of 5 minutes ago at Nationals site


Boatloads on Stubhub for way below face value.

Now, where do i want to sit..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: imbecile on October 03, 2014, 01:21:52 pm
I'm seeing 0 tickets left. Did I wait too long?

Standing room tickets available for todays game as of 5 minutes ago at Nationals site


Boatloads on Stubhub for way below face value.

Now, where do i want to sit..


There were like 1,400 for sale when i posted that.  But you're right, showing 0 now.

Hmm.. maybe sales stop 2 hours before game time. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Yada on October 03, 2014, 02:02:32 pm
Or you could buy them directly from Nats ticket site, just pulled these up.

Adult Web  110  L 16 


 $70.00
Adult Web  110  L 17 


 $70.00
Total Convenience Fee for 2 Tickets:$12.00
Price for 2 Tickets:$152.00
Processing Fee :$4.00
Current Amount Due:$156.00
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 03, 2014, 02:02:58 pm
Standing room tickets available for todays game as of 5 minutes ago at Nationals site


Boatloads on Stubhub for way below face value.

Now, where do i want to sit..
Rats! I'll have to check for this tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2014, 02:05:09 pm
Congrats Smackie!

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: imbecile on October 03, 2014, 02:06:07 pm
Standing room tickets available for todays game as of 5 minutes ago at Nationals site


Boatloads on Stubhub for way below face value.

Now, where do i want to sit..
Rats! I'll have to check for this tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up!

Definitely.  I grabbed Left field corner in the lower bowl for 25 bucks.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 03, 2014, 02:13:08 pm
Unfortunately, today's game was the only one that would have fit my schedule. It's easier to ditch work than it is to ditch you kid. Or your bottle share.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 03, 2014, 02:34:51 pm
Standing room tickets available for todays game as of 5 minutes ago at Nationals site


Boatloads on Stubhub for way below face value.

Now, where do i want to sit..
Rats! I'll have to check for this tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up!

Definitely.  I grabbed Left field corner in the lower bowl for 25 bucks.
I was able to pull up seats on the Nats site.... 2 suite level. A cool $425 for each.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 03, 2014, 03:59:08 pm
Good call, Pooh.

Not to dampen the swellness of it, but kind of wish the O's had saved that inning for tomorrow!

Tigers bullpen has given up 8 runs in one third of an inning. I knew they'd blow a game spectacularly....

Hey Eeyore - who says it can't happen again tomorrow?  Stop being a menstrual cramp.  
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 04:24:36 pm
Hmm.. maybe sales stop 2 hours before game time. 

This.  But it depends on the stadium - the A's enforce the 2 hour rule, for example, the Giants let it go up to game time.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 05:54:00 pm
She's stopping by the sporting goods store today to get me something else to take away the anxiety of watching playoff baseball.  After Game One.    

I'm apparently the proud owner of one of these for tonight's game:

(http://cdn.luckyvitamin.com/images/Product/medium/78339.jpg?s=False)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 03, 2014, 05:55:23 pm
What is it?

She's stopping by the sporting goods store today to get me something else to take away the anxiety of watching playoff baseball.  After Game One.    

I'm apparently the proud owner of one of these for tonight's game:

(http://cdn.luckyvitamin.com/images/Product/medium/78339.jpg?s=False)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 03, 2014, 05:59:02 pm
I'm so jealous of your future abs. Those things hurt my back so much.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 06:14:47 pm
What is it?

Sex toy, Rhett.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 07:39:33 pm
Molina gave a pretty solid shove to the umpire there.  I hope MLB turns a blind eye to it, but they didn't last month.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 03, 2014, 09:02:31 pm
Kate Upton @ OPACY

(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/9/3/6/97464936/100314_kate_upton_move_twitter_pgg0hzpy.gif)

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2014, 09:14:29 pm
Kate Upton @ OPACY

(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/9/3/6/97464936/100314_kate_upton_move_twitter_pgg0hzpy.gif)



I love this woman!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 09:29:58 pm
I'm not the biggest Harold Reynolds fan, but he was spot on with that at bat.  Carpenter knew every pitch that Kershaw was throwing that at bat.  I can't believe Ellis didn't walk to the mound to call that pitch.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2014, 09:36:11 pm
8 runs...wow..

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 09:36:54 pm
I love this woman!

The other WAGs must hate her though, right?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2014, 09:38:19 pm
I love this woman!

The other WAGs must hate her though, right?

Pretty much.

She's just my unattainable type.... but more than the obvious, there's something very human and funny about her....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 10:08:54 pm
HOW DO YOU SCREW UP A PITCH OUT???!!!!

Thankfully, it didn't Derek Norris us.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2014, 11:10:34 pm
For the good of mankind somebody needs to sit Hamilton down!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2014, 11:19:37 pm
For the good of mankind somebody needs to sit Hamilton down!

I already said that!  Or get him back on the snuff!

I think GM's are reluctant to keep their big money guys off of the roster because doing so makes

Doesn't mean the manager has to play them.

I would love to see Scioscia start Navarro tonight over Hamilton.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 04, 2014, 12:39:22 am
This shit's making me want to vomit.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 04, 2014, 01:00:18 am
For the good of mankind somebody needs to sit Hamilton down!

Can I please get Efren Navarro???!!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 04, 2014, 07:39:46 am
What a glorious day in baseball. A combined $398 million in salaries beat a combines $698 million in salaries. and if the Nats had pulled it out, the imbalance would have been even greater.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 04, 2014, 08:01:12 am
It's funny when married guys talk like they're single.

You're married dude, every woman should be your unattainable type. Unless your wife is ok with you "attaining" other women.

I love this woman!

The other WAGs must hate her though, right?

Pretty much.

She's just my unattainable type.... but more than the obvious, there's something very human and funny about her....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 04, 2014, 08:49:54 am
It's funny when married guys talk like they're single.

You're married dude, every woman should be your unattainable type. Unless your wife is ok with you "attaining" other women.

I love this woman!

The other WAGs must hate her though, right?

Pretty much.

She's just my unattainable type.... but more than the obvious, there's something very human and funny about her....

I think you missed the word "unattainable"!

nothing wrong with harmless crushing.....but I don't care what you think! you're an asshat.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 04, 2014, 10:02:37 am
Cabrera - he's a fantastic player, no doubt.  But he seems to be something of a jerk.  Or is it just an act?   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 04, 2014, 10:15:18 am
Depends on how you define "jerk". If this is jerk to you then yes. If it's not, then no.

http://deadspin.com/5374482/miguel-cabreras-lost-weekend

Cabrera - he's a fantastic player, no doubt.  But he seems to be something of a jerk.  Or is it just an act?   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 04, 2014, 12:11:22 pm
That very well may be, but I was referring to his on-the-field behavior.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 04, 2014, 12:25:34 pm
This shit's making me want to vomit.
Do you want to take sad selfies and we can exchange them?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 04, 2014, 12:58:42 pm
This shit's making me want to vomit.
Do you want to take sad selfies and we can exchange them?

Hat toss competition?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 04, 2014, 01:26:35 pm
Abs must be looking fantastic though!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2014, 08:05:19 pm
They actually hurt like hell.

But let's talk about this for a second.  If you have the guts to take your starter out on the first,  why is Hamilton still in the lineup?!

Venerable's wife just cleared the room for my outburst.  Just me and the puppy tonight.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2014, 08:16:52 pm
And a bottle of Jameson. Thanks to venerable...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2014, 08:36:18 pm
My old man is insisting that Arte is making lineup calls.  I think it's the GM.  Either way,  we both think Mike was way to happy to yank CJ Wilson.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 05, 2014, 08:50:35 pm
Hey, Smackie. I don't know alot but you see this? All this shit? It's not your fault.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2014, 09:00:46 pm
My old man is insisting that Arte is making lineup calls.  I think it's the GM.  Either way,  we both think Mike was way to happy to yank CJ Wilson.

I'm already in California with the girl!  What other solutions do you have?!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2014, 09:09:02 pm
I was just referred to as "drunk uncle"

By a 5 year old.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2014, 09:15:47 pm
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2014, 09:25:50 pm
This is actually what I thought game 3 would be like.

It's game 1 &  2 that surprised me.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 05, 2014, 09:59:11 pm
162 games to decide who's the best.  Best of 5 to eliminate them.  Baseball.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 05, 2014, 10:18:11 pm
are the angels going to have enough pitchers to close out this game?

at this rate, i fully expect to see them throw josh hamilton on the mound for the 9th.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 05, 2014, 10:21:49 pm
sign someone already.

Delmon Young.  There you go.

Apparently the O's are no longer shopping for a closer and will take care of it in house.  They are now searching for a veteran starter...this is comical.

Laughing all the way to the ALCS!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2014, 10:39:57 pm
Angels just look terrible.....its like a lineup with too many "formerly a great hitter"... Hamilton and Freese in particular just don't look right...

KC's centerfielder made some nice plays there...

Its hard to root against the Royals at this point....

Scioscia (sic)....does he micromanage the game? he seems to be giving signals out all the time?

What is up with the wild card teams???? They're going to knock off the two top seeds....

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 05, 2014, 11:22:13 pm
My old man is insisting that Arte is making lineup calls.  I think it's the GM.  Either way,  we both think Mike was way to happy to yank CJ Wilson.

I'm already in California with the girl!  What other solutions do you have?!
Have you considered purchasing a Chevy Nova?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 06, 2014, 06:50:45 am
So how many people had Kansas City vs. Baltimore as their preseason ALCS picks?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on October 06, 2014, 09:24:32 am
So how many people had Kansas City vs. Baltimore as their preseason ALCS picks?

I'm sure Hutch did.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 06, 2014, 12:16:31 pm
Its hard to root against the Royals at this point....

I woke up this morning much happier it happened at the hands of the Royals than if it had happened by the O's.

Scioscia (sic)....does he micromanage the game? he seems to be giving signals out all the time?

He calls every pitch and play on defense and has all of his life.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 06, 2014, 01:03:13 pm
So I guess the Halo's will exercise the option on Huston Street, but probably let Sean Burnett go (that's a bit of a sad story).

The only free agent worth keeping is Jason Grilli - MacDonald, Thatcher and Buck are expendable.

Garret Richards is the only arb eligible player that will cost a little bit of money.  Considering it was a leg injury, now might be a good time to lock him up long term with the money the team gets back with the Vernon Wells deal finally expiring.  Yes, he made $18.5m this season.

That puts payroll at about $160m giving Dipoto about $20m to find a real third baseman, even though both Beckham and Freese are signed for 2 more years.  Maybe add a lefty to the pen?

Anybody want to take Hamilton off our hands?  Surprisingly, the Angels only have for free agent signings on the roster - everyone else came up through the system or was acquired via trade.  Unfortunately, three of them cost a fortune and underperform: Pujols, Hamilton and Wilson.  I like the Joe Smith deal still.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 06, 2014, 01:53:50 pm
Must be nice to commit $160M and still have $20M to spend.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 06, 2014, 01:58:42 pm
What the hell?

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/fan-in-critical-condition-after-beating-in-angel-stadium-parking-lot-friday-205024890.html
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 06, 2014, 02:00:18 pm
Must be nice to commit $160M and still have $20M to spend.

What's nice is having all that and the team still has made money for the owner the last 8 years counting...

What the hell?

It's a strange one.  Either you believe that nobody seems to know what happened or they aren't releasing details because they have a suspect who might flee....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 06, 2014, 07:22:50 pm
Bullpens in foul territory are a really bad idea.  I'm surprised a new-ish park like AT&T has them.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2014, 02:41:32 pm
No Puig in the lineup today for the Dodgers. 

It's the right thing to do, but I'm surprised Mattingly had the guts to do it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 07, 2014, 06:53:34 pm
Its hard to root against the Royals at this point....

I woke up this morning much happier it happened at the hands of the Royals than if it had happened by the O's.

Explain, please.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 07, 2014, 07:48:31 pm
No Puig in the lineup today for the Dodgers. 

It's the right thing to do, but I'm surprised Mattingly had the guts to do it.
ethier plays instead, gets picked off third in a huge spot, dodgers flaming out early once again

odds donnie keeps his job?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 07, 2014, 08:15:45 pm
How's that highest payroll thing workin' out for ya?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 07, 2014, 08:42:05 pm
Cardinals just continue to win when it counts...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 07, 2014, 09:29:57 pm
Cardinals just continue to win when it counts...

They have the best fans, don't cha know.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2014, 06:21:15 pm
The price of qualifying offers for eligible free agents has risen to $15.3 million from $14.1 million.  It is up from $13.3 million after the 2012 season, the first of the new system.

Teams have 5 days from the end of the World Series to make QO's to Free Agents who were with the team for the entire season.

A qualifying offer has never been accepted by a player (22 times offered).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 12, 2014, 11:57:48 pm
@billplunkettocr #STLCards hit fewest HRs in National League this year. Have hit 11 in 6 postseason games. Because.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 13, 2014, 08:51:41 am
yesterday was ridiculous... four solo hrs

you have to think losing molina has to be a huge hit to their playoff chances...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 13, 2014, 10:35:00 am
@billplunkettocr #STLCards hit fewest HRs in National League this year. Have hit 11 in 6 postseason games. Because.

The gods seem to favor a St Louis / KC World Series.  The worm needs to turn.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 15, 2014, 09:11:38 pm
Royals in.  Undefeated.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2014, 11:36:52 pm
Paul Rudd Invites Royals fans to a Kegger at his Mom's House (http://deadspin.com/paul-rudd-invites-royals-fans-to-party-at-his-moms-hous-1646970985)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 12:48:39 am
watching the Cardinals without Yadi is painful....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 16, 2014, 08:39:59 am
I'm totally on the KC bandwagon. Either other remaining team would be painful.

Not to make this all about the Tigers, but we've seen this before. Hmm, team steamrolls thru the AL, sits there for a week while the NL plays out in longform, and then walks into the World Series rusty? I know how this ends.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 16, 2014, 09:51:26 am
^^^^^ I fear the same thing. Although the Giants could wrap it up tonight and also get 4 days off... They could go all LA Kings and win it all though. The commentary would be "Well, the Royals didn't face the adversity and the hot streak just went cold. The Giants are a veteran team." Blah blah. I really don't want to see the Giants win again. OR the Cardinals to come back.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 16, 2014, 10:10:09 am
Giants would be slightly more tolerable than the Cardinals, but I want KC at this point.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 16, 2014, 10:43:50 am
I could only justify Giants over Cards because the Nats might as well have lost to a World Series caliber team. Also, fuck the Cardinals.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 16, 2014, 11:40:26 am
@billplunkettocr #STLCards hit fewest HRs in National League this year. Have hit 11 in 6 postseason games. Because.

The gods seem to favor a St Louis / KC World Series.  The worm needs to turn.

1985 all missouri world series rematch no one asked for!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on October 16, 2014, 11:53:37 am
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/244/1076/1600/brett.2.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 11:58:06 am
I definitely want the Giants to beat the Cardinals..... without Molina in I just don't enjoy the Cardinals

I think this is as far as KC gets.... they were already cooling towards the end of the Orioles series...Orioles just didn't take advantage

Also, World Series pressure/experience is on another level.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 16, 2014, 12:15:04 pm
watching the Cardinals without Yadi is painful....

Watching AJ Pierzynski is painful.

Giants would be slightly more tolerable than the Cardinals, but I want KC at this point.

Not if you live where I live.  I'm am down for the Giants in the World Series and having three home games, BUT KC has to win.

I think this is as far as KC gets.... they were already cooling towards the end of the Orioles series...Orioles just didn't take advantage

Also, World Series pressure/experience is on another level.....

Anaheim was 4 for 38 with runners on.  Baltimore didn't do much better.  It's entirely possible that KC's pitching is better than anyone thought.

This team is feeling no pressure because it is having one helluva time.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 16, 2014, 02:15:44 pm

Giants would be slightly more tolerable than the Cardinals, but I want KC at this point.

Not if you live where I live.  I'm am down for the Giants in the World Series and having three home games, BUT KC has to win.

but all the giants bros would be so pumped!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 16, 2014, 09:01:59 pm
http://www.answers.com/article/1187087/10-most-likely-baseball-steroid-users-never-caught?param4=fb-demo&param1=sports&param2=8070481
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 16, 2014, 09:03:50 pm
so we're connecting people to steroids on the basis of absolutely no proof whatsoever now?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 09:19:02 pm
Some of those on the list I can't agree with...but Pujols?

I have NO DOUBT.....like ZERO.... 

Another great case is that of Nomar.... the way his body broke down and his production declined....

I think steroids were far more common than we think....and I think hanky panky (steroids. HGH, drugs to allow more focus, etc) are far more common than we think now..

Brady Anderson is another guy that comes to mind.... Brady was no Reggie Jackson sorry to say....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 16, 2014, 09:24:48 pm
pujols wouldnt really shock me, but the whole "scandal" means nothing to me so i couldnt care less honestly. players have been taking things they shouldnt to get an edge for pretty much the entire history of the game, why the uproar now.

i just think its ridiculous that "he suddenly became good" or "he was good for a long time" are considered valid reasons to throw someone under the bus. baseball is full of oddities, and there are plenty of late bloomers and inexplicably long careers.

maybe im just young enough to not yet be jaded enough to immediately assume the worst
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 09:28:14 pm
^young enough to be naive
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 09:33:19 pm
What cracks me up with baseball is the unparalleled hatred for Barry Bonds even before he was proven to have done anything wrong... and yet you have Braun being cheered on and etc etc...

Barry Bonds, for those too young to remember, was Mr. Evil Ballplayer for years -nobody awoke so much hatred (still does)- while everyone around him was doing the same thing....say what you will about Arod but at least he had the decency not to be a hypocrite, on Bonds, and stood with the guy when he "broke" Aaron's record.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 16, 2014, 09:34:22 pm
no, naive is pretending steroids dont exist (even in the current game) or havent existed in some form for years. i dont think any of that.

idealistic would be fair, but again, i just dont care. baseball is entertainment. i dont care how juiced bonds was, seeing him hit some of his biggest bombs remains a thrill.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 16, 2014, 09:35:29 pm
What cracks me up with baseball is the unparalleled hatred for Barry Bonds even before he was proven to have done anything wrong... and yet you have Braun being cheered on and etc etc...

Barry Bonds, for those too young to remember, was Mr. Evil Ballplayer for years -nobody awoke so much hatred (still does)- while everyone around him was doing the same thing....say what you will about Arod but at least he had the decency not to be a hypocrite, on Bonds, and stood with the guy when he "broke" Aaron's record.
funny you mention bonds as i was writing my own reference to him.

i do find his media/fan perception fascinating. i think he was always hated for being a bit of a jerk (but if you had as much talent as he did from the very start, youd be a jerk too) so when the steroid boom came to light it was just easy to pile more hate on him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 09:36:18 pm
no, naive is pretending steroids dont exist (even in the current game) or havent existed in some form for years. i dont think any of that.

idealistic would be fair, but again, i just dont care. baseball is entertainment. i dont care how juiced bonds was, seeing him hit some of his biggest bombs remains a thrill.

well, I think everyone in baseball should be allowed to do whatever they want and it should be a law enforcement problem

how do you like them apples?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 16, 2014, 09:36:37 pm
i agree
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 09:40:31 pm
i agree

yes...I thought you might....


anyways, Giants and Cardinals in another good one....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 16, 2014, 09:41:15 pm
although i wouldnt exactly say braun has been cheered on. brewers fans still love him but why wouldnt they? outside of milwaukee he gets it as hard as anyone not a-rod.

which is another weird phenomena. fans are all about hating the villainous steroid cheats unless its their guy, then its no big deal. bonds actually appeared in san fran before yesterdays game and got a standing ovation from what i read.

or unless you're a-rod, who nobody cheers for anymore
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 16, 2014, 09:43:02 pm
anyways, Giants and Cardinals in another good one....
as much as i claimed to not care about this series at all, its been a good one.

definitely got a bad feeling about KC versus either of these teams. not so much the layoff (if the giants win tonight theyll be off for just about as long before the world series) but the way both nl teams always play their best at the perfect time. kc has that team of destiny feeling going on, but for how much longer? i just feel like ned yost's ways are eventually gonna blow up and the giants or cards will take advantage unlike any al club could
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 09:51:12 pm
anyways, Giants and Cardinals in another good one....
as much as i claimed to not care about this series at all, its been a good one.

definitely got a bad feeling about KC versus either of these teams. not so much the layoff (if the giants win tonight theyll be off for just about as long before the world series) but the way both nl teams always play their best at the perfect time. kc has that team of destiny feeling going on, but for how much longer? i just feel like ned yost's ways are eventually gonna blow up and the giants or cards will take advantage unlike any al club could

yup...agree on that too....i don't care if this series goes 7..whoever wins it is going to expose the royals...

of course anything can happen...but that's my prediction.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on October 16, 2014, 10:27:11 pm
Brady Anderson is another guy that comes to mind....

Steroids or amyl nitrate?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 16, 2014, 10:45:42 pm
Brady Anderson is another guy that comes to mind....

Steroids or amyl nitrate?

outside of milwaukee he gets it as hard as anyone not a-rod.

I'm sure A-Rod gets it.  Hard.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 17, 2014, 02:13:50 am
Bill Mazeroski. Chris Chambliss. Joe Carter. Todd Pratt. Aaron Boone. Travis Ishikawa.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 17, 2014, 07:55:52 am
what a home run!


I don't think the Cardinals had a chance once Molina went down....classy of Matheny not to even hint at it as an excuse..


so we get a World Series between the two Wild Card teams....where they the top finishers in their respective Wild Card standings?

It really does come down to who plays best in October.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 17, 2014, 09:41:40 am
Matheny,  when asked about not using Rosenthal in the 9th,  said "we can't use our closer in the 9th,  in a road game"  -  amazing.  He managed for the save stat,  and not to win a game that ended up being the last game of his season.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 17, 2014, 10:51:13 am
what a home run!


I don't think the Cardinals had a chance once Molina went down....classy of Matheny not to even hint at it as an excuse..


so we get a World Series between the two Wild Card teams....where they the top finishers in their respective Wild Card standings?

It really does come down to who plays best in October.
Royals 1st Wild Card, Giants were the 2nd wild card.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 17, 2014, 10:57:40 am
giants and pirates ended up tied though, so its not like the giants were way out of the playoff hunt and only lucked out cuz of the second wild card
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 17, 2014, 01:55:27 pm
They lucked their way into the Series
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 17, 2014, 02:00:10 pm
no they outplayed all their opponents and did all the right things at the right time, just like they did in 2010 and 2012. credit where its due, no luck involved.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 17, 2014, 02:27:36 pm
Lucky
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 17, 2014, 03:56:51 pm
Brains v brawn in baseball - The cult of the genius GM (http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2014/10/brains-v-brawn-baseball?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/thecultofthegeniusgm)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 17, 2014, 05:30:37 pm
no they outplayed all their opponents and did all the right things at the right time, just like they did in 2010 and 2012. credit where its due, no luck involved.

+1


also, Bochy has to be the best manager in baseball... that doesn't hurt....it just seems like every move he makes works...

I'm happy for Morse...it made me sad when the Nats let him go...He was giddy last night!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 17, 2014, 05:53:40 pm
Matheny,  when asked about not using Rosenthal in the 9th,  said "we can't use our closer in the 9th,  in a road game"  -  amazing.  He managed for the save stat,  and not to win a game that ended up being the last game of his season.

Olbermann made the point, quite convincingly, that Matheny was lying.  Because the truth was his relievers stunk it up all series, but he wasn't going to come out and say that.  So he took the hit.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 17, 2014, 06:24:50 pm
Olbermann made the point, quite convincingly, that Matheny was lying.  Because the truth was his relievers stunk it up all series, but he wasn't going to come out and say that.  So he took the hit.

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE!

So his alternative was to use a right handed guy who hasn't thrown a pitch since Sept 26, and has only thrown 16 2/3 innings since June 17?

OK, fine.  But after the lefty Belt was walked, with another lefty coming up, you stick with the guy despite his obvious control problems?  You have two lefties in the pen and the weak hitting Ishikawa at the plate!  And your closer!

Matheny definitely takes the loss, and I can't fault him for trotting Wacha out there to start the 9th, but at some point you have to win or lose with what got you there, and he didn't do that.

He can take "the hit" and he should because it was his stupid idea.     
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 17, 2014, 06:41:30 pm
he couldnt say "I dont' trust my bullpen and this was do or die"

didn't work out.....Cards were going down anyways... even if he had put in Rosenthal or whoever I have a feeling the Giants would have won that game...

you have to wonder just why he had to take out wainwright....he was under 100 pitches not that in that situation it really would matter to me if he was at 125... people are saying that its because wainwright is hurt.. its hard to buy into the "didn't have anything left" when he struck out the side in the 7th....



Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 21, 2014, 09:01:19 am
The starters for the Giants in games two through four had a combined 24-39 record. When was the last time that happened?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 22, 2014, 09:04:18 am
I'm going to stand by my assertion that the "3" team in a 2-3-2 series format is the one with the advantage.

And why were the odds makers making Wild Card KC a favorite over two time (in the last four years) champion SF?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 22, 2014, 09:39:26 am
Because the team that hasn't faced adversity is clearly the better one!

Last night was depressing. It was like watching the Giants/Nats series all over again. I still think the Royals can adjust. They weren't going to go undefeated.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on October 22, 2014, 11:08:02 am
I enjoyed watching the Royals lose. I hope they keep losing.

I don't sound bitter at all!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2014, 08:36:46 pm
Peavy just looks so hittable...most of his pitches seem like scared...way outside.. or in the dirt... then he throws a fat one down the middle...

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 23, 2014, 08:26:50 am
I'm going to stand by my assertion that the "3" team in a 2-3-2 series format is the one with the advantage.


Well, you're standing on shaky ground.

Since 1980 teams that have been able to force a return to their home park for a Game 6 - even if they have been trailing in the Series - have a 22-4 Series record. 



Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 23, 2014, 08:47:49 am
Where are you getting your numbers from? This would seem to contradict them (?)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1811052-is-mlbs-2-3-2-postseason-format-fair-for-the-favorite




I'm going to stand by my assertion that the "3" team in a 2-3-2 series format is the one with the advantage.


Well, you're standing on shaky ground.

Since 1980 teams that have been able to force a return to their home park for a Game 6 - even if they have been trailing in the Series - have a 22-4 Series record. 




Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 23, 2014, 09:04:48 am
 Boz  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/by-hitting-back-the-royals-get-even-with-the-giants-in-the-world-series/2014/10/23/b7cb6aba-5a35-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 23, 2014, 02:17:47 pm
Boz  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/by-hitting-back-the-royals-get-even-with-the-giants-in-the-world-series/2014/10/23/b7cb6aba-5a35-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html)

I haven't done the full research yet, but only 18 World Series have gone to 6 games since 1980, so something isn't right. 

EDIT - I think I see what he's saying - he's counting total games played, not series outcomes.  Adding those that went to games 6 & 7, but even then it would 27 games played, not 26.  When I get more time...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 23, 2014, 02:48:15 pm
Bosworth was off by 1, in favor of his argument however.

The home team in Games 6 & 7 of the World Series are a combined 23-4 (since 1980).

Of the 18 World Series that have gone to returned to the home park, the home team has won 15 of them (since 1980).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 23, 2014, 02:52:56 pm
Where are you getting your numbers from? This would seem to contradict them (?)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1811052-is-mlbs-2-3-2-postseason-format-fair-for-the-favorite


That includes the League Championship Series.  In the World Series, the numbers are vastly different.

SSS of course, but by using their range of 2003-2013, the "higher seed" has won three out of four World Series that reaches games 6 or 7.

The problem of course is that home team is decided by the All-Star game and not the win-loss records, so determining the higher seed based on home filed advantage is a false premise to start with.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 23, 2014, 02:54:31 pm
What is the home record of the team that gets the three straight home games?


Where are you getting your numbers from? This would seem to contradict them (?)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1811052-is-mlbs-2-3-2-postseason-format-fair-for-the-favorite


That includes the League Championship Series.  In the World Series, the numbers are vastly different.

SSS of course, but by using their range of 2003-2013, the "higher seed" has won three out of four World Series that reaches games 6 or 7.

The problem of course is that home team is decided by the All-Star game and not the win-loss records, so determining the higher seed based on home filed advantage is a false premise to start with.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 23, 2014, 02:56:29 pm
What is the home record of the team that gets the three straight home games?

Haha.  I was already working on it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 23, 2014, 03:00:35 pm
The problem of course is that home team is decided by the All-Star game and not the win-loss records, so determining the higher seed based on home filed advantage is a false premise to start with.

But this also levels the playing field (assuming no correlation between winning All-Star team records of WS teams) and is a good (better) premise to test my 2-3-2 three advantage theory on.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 23, 2014, 03:19:07 pm
All of these numbers are World Series since 1980:

The Higher Seed has a winning record in games 3,4 & 5 of 22-15.

The higher Seed has won 10 World Series on the road, only losing 5 with the 2-3-2 format.

Bleacher Reports small sample size was convenient to their point, as 3 of those 5 wins have come in the last 5 World Series that didn't return to the home ball park.  Not coincidentally, the All-Star game also determined home field advantage since then.

But all in all, since 1980, the team with 4 home games has won 25 World Series and only lost 8.

Even since the change in 2003, the team with home field advantage has won 7 of 11 World Series titles.

Sorry James - no data supports your theory.

EDIT: I also need to correct one thing I said earlier.  Home Field for the World Series used to alternate between the AL and NL - it wasn't determined by record.  So the 2003 change is probably not as significant as I thought.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on October 24, 2014, 11:50:25 am
This week, more people watched ?NCIS: New Orleans? and ?The Big Bang Theory,? and ? for that matter ? ?The Walking Dead,? the cable show about zombies [than watched either World Series game]. The audience for ?Sunday Night Football,? a regular season game between the San Francisco 49ers and the Denver Broncos, was almost twice that of Games 1 or 2. Even last Saturday night?s college football matchup ? Florida State University versus Notre Dame ? drew more viewers than either World Series game.

Perhaps the most compelling statement about baseball?s relative standing among American sports fans is this: Last summer?s World Cup match between the United States and Portugal drew 25 million viewers, roughly double that of the World Series opener.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 24, 2014, 02:31:35 pm
so joe maddon is a free agent manager now
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Rogue Riderhood on October 24, 2014, 03:59:08 pm
So is this the thread to talk about when bands play baseball stadiums, or should I start another thread for that? 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on October 24, 2014, 04:05:13 pm
So is this the thread to talk about when bands play baseball stadiums, or should I start another thread for that? 

It's the thread to talk about this:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/MLB_Stardogcomp.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Rogue Riderhood on October 24, 2014, 04:09:19 pm
Hell yes.  Great band. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 24, 2014, 04:47:42 pm
so joe maddon is a free agent manager now

Dodgers.  Friedman is a genius....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 24, 2014, 04:52:22 pm
my moneys on the cubs, but you never know. everybodys saying the right things which means no ones tipping their hand yet

the cubs situation seems tailor made for a guy like maddon
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 24, 2014, 06:42:50 pm
I'd love to see Maddon return to Anaheim, Scioscia go to the Dodgers and Mattingly end up in Chicago.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 24, 2014, 08:51:14 pm
so joe maddon is a free agent manager now

Dodgers.  Friedman is a genius....

I heard a report that Maddon didn't even know he had an opt out.  Until Friedman called to tell him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 24, 2014, 08:53:24 pm
I'd love to see Maddon return to Anaheim, Scioscia go to the Dodgers and Mattingly end up in Chicago.
I thought the dream (ESPN) scenario was Mattingly to NY and Girardi to Cubs?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 25, 2014, 01:40:10 pm
I'd love to see Maddon return to Anaheim, Scioscia go to the Dodgers and Mattingly end up in Chicago.
I thought the dream (ESPN) scenario was Mattingly to NY and Girardi to Cubs?

I'm down with that scenario too.

I heard a report that Maddon didn't even know he had an opt out.  Until Friedman called to tell him.

I don't know that he called him, but Maddon claims that he didn't know that Friedman's departure would trigger the opt out.  It was more likely his agent that called him, but Friedman may have called his agent...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 26, 2014, 11:20:07 pm
Still liking my theory for this one. And hoping I'm jinxing the Giants by saying it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 27, 2014, 12:10:44 am
 boy that MadBum can sure pitch......never seen a guy so calm up there.. he's cool as a cucumber...

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 27, 2014, 12:15:14 am
I have to say I am gutted about Oscar Taveras dying in the Dominican Republic car accident....how crazy the world is... only two weeks ago he hit that huge home run....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 27, 2014, 01:22:11 pm
boy that MadBum can sure pitch......never seen a guy so calm up there.. he's cool as a cucumber...

I can't remember if I've mentioned this or not, but his contract is ridiculously team friendly.

They have options for him in 2018 and 2019 for $12m.  They're paying him $3.75m this year, $6.75m next year and are paying Lincecum $17m this year and $18m next.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 27, 2014, 02:30:43 pm
Boswell continues to beat this drum:

"Since 1982, 10 teams have come home trailing three games to two like the Royals. Eight of them won: in 2011, 2002, 2001, 1991, 1987, 1986, 1985 (Kansas City) and 1982.

But the 1992 Blue Jays and 2003 Marlins were in the Giants? position and won on the road. Odds even out. This run of amazing closeouts at home even when behind ? aided by acts of fate, umpire mistakes and heroics, especially in momentum-turning Game 6s associated with names like David Freese, Randy Johnson, Kirby Puckett, umpire Don Denkinger and Bill Buckner ? may wind down after 32 years of shocking us."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 27, 2014, 02:37:46 pm
2002

aided by acts of fate, umpire mistakes and heroics, especially in momentum-turning Game 6s

(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1177276/AP02102603478.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 27, 2014, 02:39:54 pm
Boswell continues to beat this drum:

"Since 1982, 10 teams have come home trailing three games to two like the Royals. Eight of them won: in 2011, 2002, 2001, 1991, 1987, 1986, 1985 (Kansas City) and 1982.

But the 1992 Blue Jays and 2003 Marlins were in the Giants? position and won on the road. Odds even out. This run of amazing closeouts at home even when behind ? aided by acts of fate, umpire mistakes and heroics, especially in momentum-turning Game 6s associated with names like David Freese, Randy Johnson, Kirby Puckett, umpire Don Denkinger and Bill Buckner ? may wind down after 32 years of shocking us."

Is this what James Ford keeps yapping about?

Obviously either team can win....Peavy and Hudson don't exactly inspire confidence....

But I'd have to go with the Giants due to their experience and Bochy...

But its up for the taking....

Its amazing how little attention the World Series gets.....its almost become vogue to say "I hate baseball"....I hear hosts saying it on cable sports shows now....

Personally I think its been a great October...I've really enjoyed it and am dreading the end..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 27, 2014, 03:04:43 pm
http://www.stadiumjourney.com/news/10-22-2014/856/2014-mlb-ballpark-experience-rankings?adbid=10150431776874990&adbpl=fb&adbpr=16329389989&partnerId=as_bal_20141027_34488447

We're #1!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 27, 2014, 09:17:51 pm

Is this what James Ford keeps yapping about?


He's actually arguing that the team that has the 3-4-5 games has the advantage.  Which makes him the anti-Boswell.  Which means he's not taking facts into consideration.

The Giants will probably win then.  And he'll say he was right all along.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 27, 2014, 09:22:41 pm
The "3-4-5" team took the ALCS and the NLCS and is one game away from taking the WS. The rest is just ancient history, man.


Is this what James Ford keeps yapping about?


He's actually arguing that the team that has the 3-4-5 games has the advantage.  Which makes him the anti-Boswell.  Which means he's not taking facts into consideration.

The Giants will probably win then.  And he'll say he was right all along.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 27, 2014, 10:17:16 pm

Is this what James Ford keeps yapping about?


He's actually arguing that the team that has the 3-4-5 games has the advantage.  Which makes him the anti-Boswell.  Which means he's not taking facts into consideration.

The Giants will probably win then.  And he'll say he was right all along.


gotcha..thanks.

fuck i hate needing him to be right in this particular case....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 28, 2014, 08:55:15 am
The rest is just ancient history, man.
Anyone who ever even accidentally walked into a statistics class and sat there for five minutes realizes you're a fucking idiot.

I don't care about this topic at all but good lord don't just be intellectually dishonest. The only data points that matter in the analysis are this season? That's like saying only the last five votes cast should decide a Presidential election.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 28, 2014, 09:10:46 am
Baseball results aint always science.

Thankfully.

The rest is just ancient history, man.
Anyone who ever even accidentally walked into a statistics class and sat there for five minutes realizes you're a fucking idiot.

I don't care about this topic at all but good lord don't just be intellectually dishonest. The only data points that matter in the analysis are this season? That's like saying only the last five votes cast should decide a Presidential election.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 28, 2014, 11:51:37 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Prp615mmDk
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 28, 2014, 04:32:24 pm
PENCE COFFEE CUP: Our crew ran into Hunter Pence at Starbucks in Kansas City this morning and noticed a message scrawled on his coffee cup. Turns out, Pence said his name was "Champ" when he ordered, but the barista wrote on his cup ?You may be known as Champ, but not here in KC.?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10734238_10152403399632061_5330296661844159157_n.jpg?oh=828810b7a5e80ad90bad8bcd0b5054c6&oe=54E054AF&__gda__=1424944592_993e708fb0f53b1c92bb2d26a1ca23ca)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 28, 2014, 08:09:07 pm
I used to find him annoying, but now I think I love him:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/53055/the-marlins-fan-live-and-in-person

?I saved up to, like, buy a house and have a wife and kids, and it just never happened. So I decided a while ago to just go out and make myself happy. I said, ?Why don?t you go out and see in person these games? Why don?t you just go to the Yankees-Red Sox game? Why don?t you go to the Dodgers-Cubs? Why don?t you just go do this stuff??

?So I did it."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 29, 2014, 04:30:22 am
I used to find him annoying, but now I think I love him:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/53055/the-marlins-fan-live-and-in-person

?I saved up to, like, buy a house and have a wife and kids, and it just never happened. So I decided a while ago to just go out and make myself happy. I said, ?Why don?t you go out and see in person these games? Why don?t you just go to the Yankees-Red Sox game? Why don?t you go to the Dodgers-Cubs? Why don?t you just go do this stuff??

?So I did it."

He's not about seeing these games.  He's about being seen in the front row in his bright orange.. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 29, 2014, 06:23:53 am
i love him. not sure why he rubs so many people the wrong way. just seems to be a dude who loves live sports and has the means to afford it. hes been doing this for years and is just now getting all this attention so if he was just a publicity whore he would have given up long ago.

anyway tonights gonna be crazy. royals have got to score first, and score big, cuz any sign of trouble by hudson likely means bumgarner on the horizon
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 29, 2014, 06:44:43 am
ventura was impressive last night. that guy should be something special to watch in the coming years

on the other end of the spectrum, hunter strickland is heading for one of the worst offseasons possible. 6 playoff home runs given up. yikes. the giants dont seem like the organization to give up on a guy too soon but thats a heavy weight for their closer of the future to carry, especially if they lose
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 06:50:09 am
Easy to be impressive when you're up 7-0....

Peavy sucks....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 29, 2014, 07:01:20 am
definitely. but the inning after the royals scored all those runs it looked like ventura was gonna totally melt down (walked the bases loaded, posey up) but he got out of it with no runs and then settled down big time. for a rookie that was big, mostly cuz it saved yost from using his top bullpen guys at all last night.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 08:00:57 am
so when was the last World Series Game 7


its funny cause i have a friend who is a huge Cardinals and he detests the Royals...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 29, 2014, 12:39:31 pm
so when was the last World Series Game 7


its funny cause i have a friend who is a huge Cardinals and he detests the Royals...

2011 - St. Louis beat Texas after the "David Freese" game 6.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 29, 2014, 02:53:16 pm
The better question is who was the last road team to win a game 7?

I specifically didn't post this in the O's thread...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 05:12:07 pm
can't lose tonight.. I want the Giants to win but would be happy with a KC win too.. it would be such an amazing run....

funny I seen a lot of people lately sportin KC caps... people are so quick to jump on someone else's train..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 29, 2014, 05:17:00 pm
Every baseball fan deserves a game 7.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 29, 2014, 05:43:23 pm
my moneys on the cubs, but you never know. everybodys saying the right things which means no ones tipping their hand yet

the cubs situation seems tailor made for a guy like maddon

Cubs hire Maddon.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 29, 2014, 07:52:02 pm
my moneys on the cubs, but you never know. everybodys saying the right things which means no ones tipping their hand yet

the cubs situation seems tailor made for a guy like maddon

Cubs hire Maddon.

WS champs in '16?  '17?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 09:35:05 pm
good game so far.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 29, 2014, 10:23:36 pm
bum dealing right now. this is going to be excruciating to watch for KC fans until he's pulled. if he's pulled at all.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 29, 2014, 10:26:52 pm
bum dealing right now. this is going to be excruciating to watch for KC fans until he's pulled. if he's pulled at all.

He's single-handedly winning this series.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 10:27:37 pm
bum dealing right now. this is going to be excruciating to watch for KC fans until he's pulled. if he's pulled at all.

yeah...he's only at 26 pitches through 2 innings and is looking very sharp plus the ump is giving him a bit of leeway on the corner....

what he's doing in these playoffs is amazing but will it have a happy ending....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 29, 2014, 10:35:53 pm
that bunt call by yost. what the hell

bumgarner is cruising now but his control looked spotty when he came in. why give him an out to move a guy to second with a hot hitter coming up. he sent his own teams rally to a grinding halt. now the royals look lost at the plate again

if they cant work a long inning against bumgarner right now thats it. hell probably close this one out.

im pulling for the royals but you gotta give bumgarner tons of credit. hes been absolutely unreal
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 10:43:38 pm
that bunt call by yost. what the hell

bumgarner is cruising now but his control looked spotty when he came in. why give him an out to move a guy to second with a hot hitter coming up. he sent his own teams rally to a grinding halt. now the royals look lost at the plate again

if they cant work a long inning against bumgarner right now thats it. hell probably close this one out.

im pulling for the royals but you gotta give bumgarner tons of credit. hes been absolutely unreal

yeah the book on madbum is you got to get to him EARLY... 9 pitches this inning...to get three batters out..not one ball..wow

i don't know that he can close it out though.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 10:51:06 pm
I hate it when announcers overdo it..its a ONE RUN game guys...come on..its wide open for the taking...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 11:03:15 pm
whether to bring out madbum in the 9th or not is why Bochy gets paid the big bucks and  I don't...

I think he's tiring but he's still better than anything else they got.....I don't really trust anybody else with the 1 run lead....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 29, 2014, 11:04:52 pm
i imagine bochy lets bumgarner start the inning, but with a short leash? but idk how well their closer handles coming in mid inning

tough one. right now i think its hard to want the ball in anyones hands but bumgarner though
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 29, 2014, 11:06:30 pm
He's a zombie.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 11:12:49 pm


It feels like he's going to have to carry them to the title on his back...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 11:22:37 pm
Madison Bumgarner is legend. One of the greatest sports performances I have seen. Unreal.

He literally had to drag them across the line on his back....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 29, 2014, 11:38:43 pm
At least the better city won.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 29, 2014, 11:42:58 pm
Party at Smackie's!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2014, 11:45:23 pm
Chevrolet dude practically passed out...good lord...

 ;D

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 29, 2014, 11:46:26 pm
Party at Smackie's!

It's fuckin insane outside.  It depresses the hell out of me, but I can't pass up a good party, so I'll head out there.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 29, 2014, 11:53:13 pm
Chevrolet dude practically passed out...good lord...

 ;D


this was painful. dude was a total wreck, even with cue cards.

really tough loss for the royals. i had a feeling the game would come down to perez as soon as he was hit by that pitch early. sucks it didnt work out in his favor

nothing more needs to be said about bumgarner. those numbers speak for themselves. just unreal

how appropriate that sandoval caught the last out. if the nats payroll wasnt already maxed out id love to see them make a play for him this offseason. guys a perfect october player.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 30, 2014, 12:06:21 am
nothing more needs to be said about bumgarner. those numbers speak for themselves. just unreal

Three World Series rings at the age of 25.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2014, 12:24:33 am
I was going to say how appropriate that Morse had two of the RBIs including the game winning one.........he's a big game hitter....I'm happy for him....

also, worth comparing how Bochy left Bum in with a guy on third due to a single in a one run game while Matt Williams took out Jordan with a guy on first due to a walk in a one run game...

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2014, 12:29:03 am
now they're saying Affeldt gets the win and Madison the Save..... no big deal but they had it wrong for a while..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 30, 2014, 08:21:06 am
My wife's comment at the end of the game...

"Why do the announcers get so emotional? They're getting all emotional over grown men playing a children's game. I don't get it."

I hate it when announcers overdo it..its a ONE RUN game guys...come on..its wide open for the taking...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 30, 2014, 08:22:31 am
Record of "3-4-5" team this year: 12-5. Three out of three series.


The "3-4-5" team took the ALCS and the NLCS and is one game away from taking the WS. The rest is just ancient history, man.


Is this what James Ford keeps yapping about?


He's actually arguing that the team that has the 3-4-5 games has the advantage.  Which makes him the anti-Boswell.  Which means he's not taking facts into consideration.

The Giants will probably win then.  And he'll say he was right all along.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 30, 2014, 08:28:20 am
My wife's comment at the end of the game...

"Why do the announcers get so emotional? They're getting all emotional over grown men playing a children's game. I don't get it."

I hate it when announcers overdo it..its a ONE RUN game guys...come on..its wide open for the taking...
Oh, your wife's a killjoy bitch? Who knew?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 30, 2014, 08:46:28 am
While she is 100% factually correct, I still argue that she just doesn't get it.

And in turn I don't get her obsession with starting every meal, home or out, with a staged, orchestrated photo of the food and beer for Facebook.

Ah, the give and take of marriage.

My wife's comment at the end of the game...

"Why do the announcers get so emotional? They're getting all emotional over grown men playing a children's game. I don't get it."

I hate it when announcers overdo it..its a ONE RUN game guys...come on..its wide open for the taking...
Oh, your wife's a killjoy bitch? Who knew?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 30, 2014, 09:12:21 am
nothing more needs to be said about bumgarner. those numbers speak for themselves. just unreal

Three World Series rings at the age of 25.
I've wasted my life
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 30, 2014, 09:37:04 am
Record of "3-4-5" team this year: 12-5. Three out of three series.


Statistics are bullshit.  We all know that.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 30, 2014, 10:03:13 am
At least the better city won.

ehhh....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on October 30, 2014, 10:09:55 am
Record of "3-4-5" team this year: 12-5. Three out of three series.


The "3-4-5" team took the ALCS and the NLCS and is one game away from taking the WS. The rest is just ancient history, man.


Is this what James Ford keeps yapping about?


He's actually arguing that the team that has the 3-4-5 games has the advantage.  Which makes him the anti-Boswell.  Which means he's not taking facts into consideration.

The Giants will probably win then.  And he'll say he was right all along.

thousands of stories about madison bumgarner and how he carried this giants team, and not one report about  the real reason the giants won: the 3-4-5 advantage. wake up sheeple!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 30, 2014, 10:32:55 am
I was so, so, so rooting for him to blow it, for my 3-4-5 idea to get blown up, and for the Royals to take it all. So sad it didn't happen. And so sad I went to bed before seeing Chevy guy. Sorry to get all emotional.

Record of "3-4-5" team this year: 12-5. Three out of three series.


The "3-4-5" team took the ALCS and the NLCS and is one game away from taking the WS. The rest is just ancient history, man.


Is this what James Ford keeps yapping about?


He's actually arguing that the team that has the 3-4-5 games has the advantage.  Which makes him the anti-Boswell.  Which means he's not taking facts into consideration.

The Giants will probably win then.  And he'll say he was right all along.

thousands of stories about madison bumgarner and how he carried this giants team, and not one report about  the real reason the giants won: the 3-4-5 advantage. wake up sheeple!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 30, 2014, 10:46:53 am
Chevy was played over and over again on the morning radio program. Lol. That guy sounded like he was dying. As soon as the Giants got the out I turned the TV off.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2014, 10:53:51 am
that Chevy guy....still cracking me up....

 ;D

oh Chris Farley..gone too soon...RIP... he could have done the Toronto mayor and the Chevy guy to perfection....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Yada on October 30, 2014, 11:11:50 am
Shall we archive this thread until March of 15'?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2014, 11:13:53 am
Shall we archive this thread until March of 15'?

whatchatalkinboutwillis?

we got the post season moves now....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 30, 2014, 12:15:59 pm
Shall we archive this thread until March of 15'?

I was considering waiting until the Winter Meetings, but options have to be tendered within 5 days, and I just don't see me ignoring that. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 30, 2014, 04:29:31 pm
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wOb2Jpsk--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/hjwhtu9wiaer1ly2c5sw.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 30, 2014, 04:35:19 pm
Losers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on October 30, 2014, 06:22:02 pm
Losers.

These guys are worse:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Here-we-go-again-Giants-fan-celebration-has-its-5857337.php#photo-7072598
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on October 30, 2014, 09:32:57 pm
Burning couches?  That's so West Virginia.  Or UM.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 31, 2014, 08:34:20 am
Burning couches?  That's so West Virginia.  Or UM.
You're trolling. You know it's Michigan State that does that and you're just trying to get a rise out of me.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: James Ford on October 31, 2014, 09:19:11 am
UMD

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/post-removes-reference-to-burning-couches-after-redskins-game/article/2517108


Burning couches?  That's so West Virginia.  Or UM.
You're trolling. You know it's Michigan State that does that and you're just trying to get a rise out of me.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 31, 2014, 09:53:12 am
UMD

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/post-removes-reference-to-burning-couches-after-redskins-game/article/2517108


Burning couches?  That's so West Virginia.  Or UM.
You're trolling. You know it's Michigan State that does that and you're just trying to get a rise out of me.
Ohhhh... that Big Ten UM. My apologies.

I thought he was referencing this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_student_riots)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 31, 2014, 09:58:45 am
Losers.

These guys are worse:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Here-we-go-again-Giants-fan-celebration-has-its-5857337.php#photo-7072598
Gunshot wounds!? Stabbings?! Heavy stench of booze and marijuana!?

I imagine if the Nats win that the whole area surrounding Nats Park would be cleared out within an hour. Most of the people will have left by the end of the game and everyone with their bosses tickets will just go home. Lol.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on October 31, 2014, 10:04:19 am
That's so West Virginia.  Or UM.

Same difference.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 11, 2014, 12:53:52 pm
All 12 players tendered offers rejected them and are testing free agency.  When a reliever rejects a QO at $15.3m, we have learned nothing.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on November 11, 2014, 07:54:03 pm
How about that - Williams and Buck both win. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2014, 08:19:14 pm
How about that - Williams and Buck both win. 

well..Buck sure deserved it.. congrats to Buck Showalter...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 11, 2014, 08:20:14 pm
good for buck but i cant agree with williams, even though i know its just a regular season award

he had a fine year, dealing with injuries, (self created) harper drama, soriano, etc, (especially for a rookie) but with the lineup he was given and the weak state of the division he would have had to try not to run away with the pennant. for me a manager of the year is a guy who makes the most of a little, or guides a team well beyond their expectations. buck is a great pick, but for the nl id go with a guy like hurdle or redmond. oh well. good for matt. hopefully it doesnt go to his head cuz theres def room to grow.

also funny how for all his accolades, bochy seems to remain under the radar till he guides a team through a dominant october
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2014, 11:24:45 pm
good for buck but i cant agree with williams, even though i know its just a regular season award

he had a fine year, dealing with injuries, (self created) harper drama, soriano, etc, (especially for a rookie) but with the lineup he was given and the weak state of the division he would have had to try not to run away with the pennant. for me a manager of the year is a guy who makes the most of a little, or guides a team well beyond their expectations. buck is a great pick, but for the nl id go with a guy like hurdle or redmond. oh well. good for matt. hopefully it doesnt go to his head cuz theres def room to grow.

also funny how for all his accolades, bochy seems to remain under the radar till he guides a team through a dominant october

agree 100%....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on November 12, 2014, 12:26:22 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/in-baseball-blaming-the-manager-is-easy--just-ask-the-nationals-matt-williams/2014/11/11/8826624e-69bf-11e4-a31c-77759fc1eacc_story.html
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Venerable Bede on November 12, 2014, 04:02:48 am
At the end of the day, Bochy will be the one in the HOF.  Manager of the year is based on regular season work, so it's not really too much of a surprise that Bochy only has one manager of the year award (1996).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 12, 2014, 06:23:32 pm
V-Mart resigns with Tigers: 4-years (!), $68m
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 12, 2014, 06:49:02 pm
V-Mart resigns with Tigers: 4-years (!), $68m
*facepalm*
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 12, 2014, 07:14:38 pm
*facepalm*

Are you converting him to the bullpen?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2014, 07:20:44 pm
I think that's a great deal for the Tigers!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on November 12, 2014, 11:48:06 pm
I have to say I am gutted about Oscar Taveras dying in the Dominican Republic car accident....how crazy the world is... only two weeks ago he hit that huge home run....

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) -- St. Louis Cardinals rookie outfielder Oscar Taveras was drunk at the time of his fatal car crash last month in his Caribbean homeland, an official in the Dominican Republic said Wednesday.

Tessie Sanchez, a spokeswoman for the Dominican attorney general's office, told The Associated Press toxicology reports showed Taveras had a blood-alcohol level five times the country's legal limit when he lost control of his car Oct. 26 on a highway in the tourist region of Puerto Plata.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 13, 2014, 12:00:09 am
I have to say I am gutted about Oscar Taveras dying in the Dominican Republic car accident....how crazy the world is... only two weeks ago he hit that huge home run....

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) -- St. Louis Cardinals rookie outfielder Oscar Taveras was drunk at the time of his fatal car crash last month in his Caribbean homeland, an official in the Dominican Republic said Wednesday.

Tessie Sanchez, a spokeswoman for the Dominican attorney general's office, told The Associated Press toxicology reports showed Taveras had a blood-alcohol level five times the country's legal limit when he lost control of his car Oct. 26 on a highway in the tourist region of Puerto Plata.


yeah i saw that... can't say i'm shocked...

still gutted
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 13, 2014, 06:48:44 pm
V-Mart resigns with Tigers: 4-years (!), $68m
*facepalm*

Keith Law sums up my thoughts nicely: well, let's call it what it is: They gave what is, in effect, a two-year, $68 million deal to Victor Martinez, with half of the money deferred until 2017 and 2018.
...
 It's better to think of it as overpaying to have him now, while they still have a legitimate chance to win the World Series. Either way, it should at least make Tigers fans feel better about it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 13, 2014, 07:57:33 pm
meanwhile the marlins and stanton are discussing 10-12 years, $300 million
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 13, 2014, 08:13:25 pm
meanwhile the marlins and stanton are discussing 10-12 years, $300 million

I don't believe that for one second, but sure, sell some season seats.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 14, 2014, 06:13:53 pm
meanwhile the marlins and stanton are discussing 10-12 years, $300 million

I don't believe that for one second, but sure, sell some season seats.

Fuck me.

This is absolutely insane on both sides!

13 years,  $325 million,  full no trade clause.

What in the hell are they both thinking?!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 14, 2014, 07:58:01 pm
well theres supposedly an opt out clause too, which if true (and depending on when he can exercise it) means stanton has pretty much nothing to lose and a lot to gain by signing the deal. im no expert but it seems like if reports are true, all the risks are the team's on this one.

gotta wonder if this is the marlins announcing theyre serious and hoping to attract free agent talent the next few winters
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 14, 2014, 08:50:45 pm
apparently stanton can opt out at 30.

not sure exactly how the $325 million will be allocated among the 13 years but miami is only getting 5 guaranteed years of stanton

but if he drops off for whatever reason and doesnt use his opt out theyll be paying him ~$25million/year till hes 37

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 17, 2014, 01:26:46 pm
Blue Jays sign Russell Martin to 5-year, $82 million deal.

Also, Cards acquire OF Jason Heyward and RHP Jordan Walden from Atlanta for RHP Shelby Miller and RHP Tyler Jenkins.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2014, 01:29:14 pm
apparently stanton can opt out at 30.

not sure exactly how the $325 million will be allocated among the 13 years but miami is only getting 5 guaranteed years of stanton

but if he drops off for whatever reason and doesnt use his opt out theyll be paying him ~$25million/year till hes 37



you'd think for 325 million he wouldn''t have the opt out... that is what makes me second guess the deal...more than the amount... what if he's playing amazing and then decides to leave for the yankees at 30????  because they pay him $35 million a year?

has anybody heard of such a huge long term deal where the player gets an opt out?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 17, 2014, 05:45:06 pm
you'd think for 325 million he wouldn''t have the opt out... that is what makes me second guess the deal...

The opt out clause is the only reason why I think the deal makes sense for at least one of the parties.

$325m over 13 years with no trade and no opt out clause would have a been a disaster for both parties.  They'd hate each other within the first 5 seasons.

Now it at least makes sense for Stanton to agree to the deal.  Unless the deal is severely backloaded, this is an awful deal for Miami.  And even if it is severely backloaded, there's still a greater than 50% chance this an awful deal for Miami.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Stillwater on November 17, 2014, 06:56:47 pm
I'm sorry, I read that as Russell Martin signed for 5 years and $82 million.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 17, 2014, 07:27:30 pm
I'm sorry, I read that as Russell Martin signed for 5 years and $82 million.

I posted that before and was equally confused.  Then I remembered he was Canadian and it all made more sense....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 17, 2014, 07:47:20 pm
the more i read about the details to the stanton deal the more brilliant it seems from miamis standpoint

their fanbase is a disaster, this deal seems designed to try to win back some fans who (rightly) stopped trusting loria years ago. they get to trumpet the numbers and prove that they were willing to lock up an elite talent, while knowing how high the likelihood of stanton opting out and going to the highest bidder in 5(or 6, ive read conflicting reports) years. when that happens it technically wont be lorias fault, he can paint stanton as greedy and disloyal, and they wont owe him a further penny. the only real risk is if stanton loses it in the next 5 years, in which case of course the marlins remain on the hook anyway. if he keeps playing like hes playing there will certainly be teams throwing money at him when hes 30 and able to hit free agency. thats when the true test of loria and co's commitment to winning will happen

if thats too cynical and loria has suddenly decided to spend money on building a team, they basically have five years to surround giancarlo with enough talent, both on and off the field, to convince him to stay on past the 5 years. even if its not too cynical, loria better hope that 5 years of stanton on the field brings enough fans back that some will even stick around after hes gone.

long story short, we wont know the real value of this deal till that opt out comes into play.

and somewhere bryce harper is high fiving scott boras
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2014, 08:00:22 pm


and somewhere bryce harper is high fiving scott boras

bryce has done zilch to command that kind of money.. he's a pretty mediocre player.... terrible fielder and gets injured a lot

all HYPE.... Stanton has the numbers... Harper doesnot

I wish you all would quit it with the Harper hype honestly..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 17, 2014, 08:03:29 pm
oh i totally agree. so far id pick stanton over harper any day, as would any reasonable fan and mike rizzo. who knows if harper will eclipse him over the years but right now its not even close.

just saying, this contract will be brought up should the nats engage harper in extension talks
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on November 17, 2014, 08:25:34 pm
Hutch hates Bryce Harper almost as much as Hutch hates America.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2014, 09:02:13 pm
Hutch hates Bryce Harper almost as much as Hutch hates America.

I don't hate America.. I love it!

Don't think we need to be in a permanent war..

Unfortunately some idiots think that if you don't support useless wars you hate America... same idiots who thought you hated America if you were against Vietnam or Iraq War

I definitely hate Harper though..he is an asshole and a very overrated player.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 17, 2014, 09:18:54 pm
the more i read about the details to the stanton deal the more brilliant it seems from miamis standpoint

the only real risk is if stanton loses it in the next 5 years, in which case of course the marlins remain on the hook anyway.

Like if that fastball to the face that ended his season last year has any lingering effects?

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on November 17, 2014, 09:32:47 pm
the more i read about the details to the stanton deal the more brilliant it seems from miamis standpoint

the only real risk is if stanton loses it in the next 5 years, in which case of course the marlins remain on the hook anyway.

Like if that fastball to the face that ended his season last year has any lingering effects?


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Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 17, 2014, 09:36:02 pm
I wish you all would quit it with the Harper hype honestly..

You're boring dude.


And I'm just going to say this because I know none of you stay up late enough to see it for yourselves:

Mike Trout>Bryce Harper

I'm referring to all 5 tools, plus he's better looking and has better hair.



but harper is like 20 or 19?

harper is great. .hit a huge home run today and legged out a fielder's choice...so far..



I rest my case.  I hope you all watched that first hand tonight.
yeah yeah.. we know you're always right..

you're boring dude.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2014, 09:53:05 pm
I wish you all would quit it with the Harper hype honestly..

You're boring dude.


And I'm just going to say this because I know none of you stay up late enough to see it for yourselves:

Mike Trout>Bryce Harper

I'm referring to all 5 tools, plus he's better looking and has better hair.



but harper is like 20 or 19?

harper is great. .hit a huge home run today and legged out a fielder's choice...so far..



I rest my case.  I hope you all watched that first hand tonight.
yeah yeah.. we know you're always right..

you're boring dude.

Yeah I have the benefit of two more seasons!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 18, 2014, 09:23:35 am
EUREKA! I was wrong wrong wrong... Mike Trout is twice the man Bryce Harper will ever be...

for shame..for shame...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 18, 2014, 12:51:50 pm
The Dodgers are close to trading for SS Alexi Ramirez.  Not sure who they are offering, however.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: imbecile on November 18, 2014, 02:39:31 pm
Stanton deal keeps getting stranger..

ESPN reporting that the deal is heavily backloaded.  Making $30M over the first three years.  $107M over the first 6 years of the deal.  So, the last 7, when he can opt out, he'll be making $218M.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 18, 2014, 02:49:29 pm
Stanton deal keeps getting stranger..

ESPN reporting that the deal is heavily backloaded.  Making $30M over the first three years.  $107M over the first 6 years of the deal.  So, the last 7, when he can opt out, he'll be making $218M.

Zero risk for Stanton.  100% risk for the Marlins.  Best case scenario for the Marlins is one strong playoff run in the next 3-4 years, Stanton stays healthy and then opts out.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: imbecile on November 18, 2014, 03:01:56 pm
Stanton deal keeps getting stranger..

ESPN reporting that the deal is heavily backloaded.  Making $30M over the first three years.  $107M over the first 6 years of the deal.  So, the last 7, when he can opt out, he'll be making $218M.

Zero risk for Stanton.  100% risk for the Marlins.  Best case scenario for the Marlins is one strong playoff run in the next 3-4 years, Stanton stays healthy and then opts out.

I don't know enough about baseball salary inflation, the likely available free agent sluggers in 6 years, and whatever else would factor into the decision.. But, is it really possible that in 6 years, someone will shell out $31M per year for 7 years for a bat?

Looking at recent-ish numbers, I could see that kind of progression on salaries if we used ARod as our example, but I have to believe he and his salary/contract are outliers.

Nevertheless, good for Giancarlo.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 18, 2014, 03:17:41 pm
I don't know enough about baseball salary inflation, the likely available free agent sluggers in 6 years, and whatever else would factor into the decision.. But, is it really possible that in 6 years, someone will shell out $31M per year for 7 years for a bat?

Looking at recent-ish numbers, I could see that kind of progression on salaries if we used ARod as our example, but I have to believe he and his salary/contract are outliers.

Trout and Stanton would both become free agents in 2021.  Stanton will be 31, Trout will be 29.  Trout will have made $33.5m the season leading into his FA year.  We don't know yet what Stanton will make in 2020.

Either way, I don't think it will be unreasonable to think $31m might be market rate, especially with the Pujols and Cabrera deals as the measure.

That free agent chase in 2020 could be something to watch though. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 19, 2014, 01:15:33 am
A's sign Billy Butler for 3 yrs/$30m.  Has Beane officially lost it?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 19, 2014, 08:39:39 pm
Stanton's Contract Details

YEAR AGE SALARY
2015   25   $6,500,000   
2016   26   $9,000,000      
2017   27   $14,500,000      
2018   28   $25,000,000      
2019   29   $26,000,000      
2020   30   $26,000,000      may opt out of contract following 2020 season
2021   31   $29,000,000      
2022   32   $29,000,000      
2023   33   $32,000,000      
2024   34   $32,000,000      
2025   35   $32,000,000      
2026   36   $29,000,000      
2027   37   $25,000,000      
2028   38   *$25,000,000      *$25M Team Option, $10M Buyout
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2014, 09:01:40 pm
I think Smackie you are undervaluing the market...

players just cost a lot more now....baseball is profitable.... tickets cost more....television contracts are higher for many teams....there's inflation.... the dollar just ain't what it used to be....

ground beef at Trader Joe's used to be 2.49 a pound 3 years ago...it went up to 3.99 and just a few weeks ago to 4.49....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 19, 2014, 09:05:00 pm
I think Smackie you are undervaluing the market...

Is this about the Butler deal?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 19, 2014, 09:18:38 pm
ground beef at Trader Joe's used to be 2.49 a pound 3 years ago...it went up to 3.99 and just a few weeks ago to 4.49....
Relating the vagaries of ground beef futures prices-to-MLB salaries is the new sabermetrics.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2014, 09:52:18 pm
ground beef at Trader Joe's used to be 2.49 a pound 3 years ago...it went up to 3.99 and just a few weeks ago to 4.49....
Relating the vagaries of ground beef futures prices-to-MLB salaries is the new sabermetrics.

I am NOT a sabermetrician!

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2014, 09:52:40 pm
I think Smackie you are undervaluing the market...

Is this about the Butler deal?

and Stanton too....yes.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 19, 2014, 10:13:25 pm
and Stanton too....yes.

Just wanted to be sure because I defended the $30m plus per year salaries in 2020 for Trout, Stanton, etc.  Not Harper.

But the Butler deal I don't get.  Sure, $10m is not a lot of money, but for Oakland?  That's 1/7th of their salary for a one dimensional, overweight singles hitter whose decline over the last 2 seasons has been meteoric. 

He doesn't hit HR's (9), he doesn't walk anymore (.323 OBP), no longer hits fly balls (near the league lead in GIDP), and can't play the field. How is this a Beane guy?

Sure, he hits lefties well, which Oakland needs, but $10m per season for a platoon player is not something Oakland can afford.   

 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2014, 10:28:12 pm
and Stanton too....yes.

Just wanted to be sure because I defended the $30m plus per year salaries in 2020 for Trout, Stanton, etc.  Not Harper.

But the Butler deal I don't get.  Sure, $10m is not a lot of money, but for Oakland?  That's 1/7th of their salary for a one dimensional, overweight singles hitter whose decline over the last 2 seasons has been meteoric. 

He doesn't hit HR's (9), he doesn't walk anymore (.323 OBP), no longer hits fly balls (near the league lead in GIDP), and can't play the field. How is this a Beane guy?

Sure, he hits lefties well, which Oakland needs, but $10m per season for a platoon player is not something Oakland can afford.   

 

but they all make millions these days... even guys who bat .220 .....

my guess is they think they can help him have a late career resurgence... these days you don't get much for $10 million....

I mean I'd rather have Morse any day but how much do you think Morse will go for? Less than 10 million?

Salaries are ridiculous these days....that's just the way it is....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 19, 2014, 10:38:26 pm
I mean I'd rather have Morse any day but how much do you think Morse will go for? Less than 10 million?

He's 32, can't field, and can't stay healthy.  None of things are going to improve over the next few years...

If anybody gives Morse more than one-year/$7m they should be shot.  I see someone signing him for 2yrs/$15 though.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 20, 2014, 06:16:03 pm
Smackie's head just exploded:

http://grantland.com/features/mlb-transaction-trees/

Finding the roster spot with the longest lineage on all 30 teams
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Venerable Bede on November 21, 2014, 01:28:00 am
I think Smackie you are undervaluing the market...

players just cost a lot more now....baseball is profitable.... tickets cost more....television contracts are higher for many teams....there's inflation.... the dollar just ain't what it used to be....

ground beef at Trader Joe's used to be 2.49 a pound 3 years ago...it went up to 3.99 and just a few weeks ago to 4.49....

Inflation ain't the prime reason for the increase in beef costs.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Venerable Bede on November 21, 2014, 01:29:21 am
Smackie's head just exploded:

http://grantland.com/features/mlb-transaction-trees/

Finding the roster spot with the longest lineage on all 30 teams

Yeah, that article is amazing.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on November 21, 2014, 10:56:06 am
Here's a pretty exhaustive analysis of Trout:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/scorseses-oscar-mike-trout-finally-won-the-mvp-but-could-he-already-be-in-decline/
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 24, 2014, 10:59:28 am
Pablo Sandoval to Red Sox,  5 yrs,  $100m
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on November 24, 2014, 12:00:11 pm
Pablo Sandoval to Red Sox,  5 yrs,  $100m

and Hanley Ramirez?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 24, 2014, 01:00:52 pm
when I saw the 18th inning game I commented to my friend that Sandoval would be great for the Red Sox...


I wonder how much his numbers will go up at Fenway... there are some similarities between him and Ortiz..

though his season numbers for the Giants were not good I think he is a good pickup

when a 270 hitter with I think like 15 homers gets that kind of money it just shows where the market is at...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 24, 2014, 04:45:39 pm
and Hanley Ramirez?

Yep.  $88m over 4 years.  Optional 5th year.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 24, 2014, 04:49:18 pm
there are some similarities between him and Ortiz..

This is about the buffet line, right?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 24, 2014, 05:02:21 pm
I also hear the Mariners are going to give Kyle Seager a 7-year, $100m extension.

He is not represented by Scott Boras....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on November 24, 2014, 05:20:35 pm
Here's the full HOF ballot:

Rich Aurilia, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Tony Clark, Roger Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jermaine Dye, Darin Erstad, Cliff Floyd, Nomar Garciaparra, Brian Giles, Tom Gordon, Eddie Guardado, Randy Johnson, Jeff Kent, Edgar Martinez, Pedro Martinez, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Mike Mussina, Troy Percival, Mike Piazza, Tim Raines, Curt Schilling, Jason Schmidt, Gary Sheffield, Lee Smith, John Smoltz, Sammy Sosa, Alan Trammell, Larry Walker.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 26, 2014, 06:25:04 pm
D-Backs win sweepstakes for Cuban OF Yasmany Tomas - 6 yrs/$68.5m with an opt out after year 4.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 06:30:22 pm
Here's the full HOF ballot:

Rich Aurilia, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Tony Clark, Roger Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jermaine Dye, Darin Erstad, Cliff Floyd, Nomar Garciaparra, Brian Giles, Tom Gordon, Eddie Guardado, Randy Johnson, Jeff Kent, Edgar Martinez, Pedro Martinez, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Mike Mussina, Troy Percival, Mike Piazza, Tim Raines, Curt Schilling, Jason Schmidt, Gary Sheffield, Lee Smith, John Smoltz, Sammy Sosa, Alan Trammell, Larry Walker.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 26, 2014, 06:50:25 pm
Here's the full HOF ballot:

No way.  I know your thoughts on PED's, but those with a HoF ballot have gone in the exact opposite direction.

I say Johnson and Martinez are locks.
Smoltz gets close, but doesn't quite make it.

Biggio gets his last two votes and gets in.  Raines on the other hand, gets back over 50% but doesn't get in this year (and probably won't).  Bagwell stays steady at 50% (and probably doesn't get in), and I have no idea what happens to Piazza. 

Sheffield and Delgado have no chance.  Neither do Mussina, Clemens, Schilling or Bonds.

And this is the year Sosa's run ends.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 07:34:54 pm
Here's the full HOF ballot:

No way.  I know your thoughts on PED's, but those with a HoF ballot have gone in the exact opposite direction.

I say Johnson and Martinez are locks.
Smoltz gets close, but doesn't quite make it.

Biggio gets his last two votes and gets in.  Raines on the other hand, gets back over 50% but doesn't get in this year (and probably won't).  Bagwell stays steady at 50% (and probably doesn't get in), and I have no idea what happens to Piazza. 

Sheffield and Delgado have no chance.  Neither do Mussina, Clemens, Schilling or Bonds.

And this is the year Sosa's run ends.

yes I distinguished between the ones I think should get in but won't (Clemens and Bonds) and the ones that should get in and will get in (Pedro and Randy Johnson)

I expect you're right about Biggio though  I'm not sure I'd vote for him....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 08:18:47 pm
As long as scum bag Pete Rose never gets in the HOF all will be well...

http://www.peterosesucks.com
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 08:55:33 pm
As long as scum bag Pete Rose never gets in the HOF all will be well...

http://www.peterosesucks.com

I would have worked out a deal with him a long long time ago.... Pete Rose gives baseball something back and is eventually allowed back in the game... Olbermann recently did a hour long segment on Pete Rose...At this point baseball is just being vindictive in the person of Bud Selig...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 09:44:09 pm
As long as scum bag Pete Rose never gets in the HOF all will be well...

http://www.peterosesucks.com

I would have worked out a deal with him a long long time ago.... Pete Rose gives baseball something back and is eventually allowed back in the game... Olbermann recently did a hour long segment on Pete Rose...At this point baseball is just being vindictive in the person of Bud Selig...


LOL you cite Olbermann!  He is as big a bag of douche as Rose.  Baseball is not being vindicitive at all.  They are standing by the rules of the game and not treating Rose differently than any other player who intentionally broke the rule he chose to break.  Rose should NEVER be allowed back in the game.  He CHOSE to break a rule that he KNEW called for a lifetime ban.  He has no one but himself to curse for his ban.  The rules should not be changed for someone who happened to play the game well (even though he was one of the cheapest and dirtiest players ever and had ZERO respect for his fellow baseball players).  What Rose did goes directly to the integrity of the entire sport.  Whether he bet for or against his team is 100% irrelevant.  He wagered on gems in which he was involved.  Lifetime ban, end of story. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 26, 2014, 09:50:27 pm
you realize the lifetime ban was only extended to cover hall of fame eligibility after rose accepted it right
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 09:58:44 pm
you realize the lifetime ban was only extended to cover hall of fame eligibility after rose accepted it right

That was a formalization of a rule that was already in effect and has kept one or more players out of the HOF prior to Rose.  Either way, Rose knew the rule he broke called for a permanent lifetime ban form baseball.  He knew that the HOF election committee had agreed to not elect anyone on the permanent banned list into the HOF.  Nothing at all excuses his actions and nothing at all should change the fact that he should never be allowed in the HOF under any circumstances.  Rose has zero respect for the game or anyone who plays it.  He never will.  Any parent who hold Rose out as a role model for their child is a fool.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 26, 2014, 10:01:11 pm
if youre holding any athlete as a role model for your kid youre doing both sports and parenting wrong, but ok.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 10:02:55 pm
if youre holding any athlete as a role model for your kid youre doing both sports and parenting wrong, but ok.


Sir Charles had it right...  Then again if you are doing so as them being an athlete perhaps yes, however there have been many sports stars aside from their status in the game, who have been great role models.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 10:14:34 pm
you realize the lifetime ban was only extended to cover hall of fame eligibility after rose accepted it right

That was a formalization of a rule that was already in effect and has kept one or more players out of the HOF prior to Rose.  Either way, Rose knew the rule he broke called for a permanent lifetime ban form baseball.  He knew that the HOF election committee had agreed to not elect anyone on the permanent banned list into the HOF.  Nothing at all excuses his actions and nothing at all should change the fact that he should never be allowed in the HOF under any circumstances.  Rose has zero respect for the game or anyone who plays it.  He never will.  Any parent who hold Rose out as a role model for their child is a fool.

Hey I never said he was a role model.... is Ty Cobb a role model? Not everyone in the Hall of Fame has to be a role model

I 'm just telling you I love baseball, I follow it, I'm old school about it.. .. and I think Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame and something should have been worked out with him...

You are free to disagree with me!

As far as Rose having no respect for the game or anyone who plays it? Hyperbole much..... I do think your statement is false.. I think he showed plenty of respect on the field the 20 or so years he played it.....he wasn't Charlie Hustle for nothing...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 10:21:23 pm
The problem with Pete Rose is that he was and probably is a gambling addict....he happened to be a gambling addict involved with baseball.. a very bad combination...

But I am not as vindictive or judgmental as you RatBastard...I try to be a little empathetic and I honestly feel sorry for the guy...

Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame...hopefully the new commissioner will see the light but I'm not...wait for it....betting on it.

 ;D
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 10:29:16 pm
you realize the lifetime ban was only extended to cover hall of fame eligibility after rose accepted it right

That was a formalization of a rule that was already in effect and has kept one or more players out of the HOF prior to Rose.  Either way, Rose knew the rule he broke called for a permanent lifetime ban form baseball.  He knew that the HOF election committee had agreed to not elect anyone on the permanent banned list into the HOF.  Nothing at all excuses his actions and nothing at all should change the fact that he should never be allowed in the HOF under any circumstances.  Rose has zero respect for the game or anyone who plays it.  He never will.  Any parent who hold Rose out as a role model for their child is a fool.



Hey I never said he was a role model.... is Ty Cobb a role model? Not everyone in the Hall of Fame has to be a role model

I 'm just telling you I love baseball, I follow it, I'm old school about it.. .. and I think Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame and something should have been worked out with him...

You are free to disagree with me!

As far as Rose having no respect for the game or anyone who plays it? Hyperbole much..... I do think your statement is false.. I think he showed plenty of respect on the field the 20 or so years he played it.....he wasn't Charlie Hustle for nothing...

1) He ruined a hall of fame catchers career over an exhibition game.

2) He broke the one rule that directly goes to the integrity of the game.

3) He made a mockery of the game at his autograph signing with his "I'm Sorry" signatures.

4) He continually lied to the commissioner about his gambling until he thought it would benefit him to (at least partially) tell the truth.

5) He has made commercials that make a joke of baseball and the HOF.

6) He continues to thumb his nose at baseball by his actions.

There are just a few of his dickhead no respect actions.

He was Charlie Hustle because he always ran to first base, even on a walk.  Big fucking whoop.  There is nothing to work out.  The rules should not be applied differently to different players.  Would the numbers that Rose put up otherwise make a player be considered for election to the HOF, perhaps so.  That is 100% irrelevant though.  Rose chose to make himself ineligible.  Rose chose to be banned for life from baseball.  If you cannot hold your better players to the rules of the game then there should be no rules at all.  Putting Roe in the HOF would simply tell anyone playing the game that it is OK to break any rule you want if you think you are a good enough player.  An 'old school' baseball fan would fully understand that and realize the severe negative impact on the game that allowing Rose into the HOF would have.  A new school "no one should be held accountable for his actions" fan would be all up for Rose being in.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 10:32:17 pm
The problem with Pete Rose is that he was and probably is a gambling addict....he happened to be a gambling addict involved with baseball.. a very bad combination...

But I am not as vindictive or judgmental as you RatBastard...I try to be a little empathetic and I honestly feel sorry for the guy...

Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame...hopefully the new commissioner will see the light but I'm not...wait for it....betting on it.

 ;D

I am not vindictive at all.  Nor am I judgmental.  I am simply of the mind that the rules ought to be applied equally to all.  Rose has no business in the HOF even as a visitor.  There is no light to see.  As far as feeling sorry for him, Perhaps if he ever showed some sincere sorrow for what he did I might feel sorry for him, but he is still in such denial that it is beyond believable that anyone would even think he should be considered for the HOF.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 10:33:39 pm
Would the numbers that Rose put up otherwise make a player be considered for election to the HOF, perhaps so. 

OK this is where you know you're trying to communicate with somebody that just is so consumed by hate that they aren't thinking...


Are you serious? "Perhaps so"?????

 ;D
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 10:35:37 pm
At the end of the day Pete Rose is a hall of famer...everybody knows it... no amount of vindictiveness by those running the game he loved so much is going to change that fact...


the Rose haters remind me of the Bonds maniacs... they were so up in arms about Bonds... meanwhile EVERYONE else around them was doing it and nobody cared or cares.... AROD is still in the frickin' game for Pete's sake! (pun intended!)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 10:43:16 pm
At the end of the day Pete Rose is a hall of famer...everybody knows it... no amount of vindictiveness by those running the game he loved so much is going to change that fact...


the Rose haters remind me of the Bonds maniacs... they were so up in arms about Bonds... meanwhile EVERYONE else around them was doing it and nobody cared or cares.... AROD is still in the frickin' game for Pete's sake! (pun intended!)

At the end of the day the number Rose put up MAY be worthy of consideration for the HOF.  Also at the end of the day he is, by his own actions, permanently banned from baseball and ineligible.  I know that you DC liberal types have no comprehension of the concept of personal responsibility, but that is what this is all about.  Rose is the one who's actions went towards ruining the game.  No other offense comes close to the degree of being detrimental to the sport as gambling by a participant.

As far as steroids go, I personally could not care less who takes what (as long as it is not otherwise illegal).  People class steroids as performance enhancing but what does working out, taking vitamins, taking batting practice, and an endless list of the things do?  They enhance the performance of the athlete.  Aside from that, the rules of the game involving PEDs etc are set and being followed.  The fact that they banned/suspended some extremely high star level players exactly the same as they did (would have) any other player is exactly how is should be.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 10:46:28 pm
I know that you DC liberal types have no comprehension of the concept of personal responsibility, but that is what this is all about. 

Nice working into it of the "DC liberal" angle!

 ;D
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 10:54:13 pm
I know that you DC liberal types have no comprehension of the concept of personal responsibility, but that is what this is all about. 

Nice working into it of the "DC liberal" angle!

 ;D

Thought you might appreciate that!  :)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2014, 11:03:22 pm
What happened to being "a land of second chances"? I hear that all the time.... (personally I don't see it all that much)

He played the game hard but the right way throughout his career as a ballplayer....certainly nothing different than say a Ty Cobb...just very intense and ruthless ...

He gambled as a manager and is a buffoon and charlatan.... admittedly not very likable...

I still say he deserves to be in Cooperstown. You cannot compare his actions to those of the Black Sox which is the reason why the rule he violated was instituted.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on November 26, 2014, 11:30:18 pm
What happened to being "a land of second chances"? I hear that all the time.... (personally I don't see it all that much)

He played the game hard but the right way throughout his career as a ballplayer....certainly nothing different than say a Ty Cobb...just very intense and ruthless ...

He gambled as a manager and is a buffoon and charlatan.... admittedly not very likable...

I still say he deserves to be in Cooperstown. You cannot compare his actions to those of the Black Sox which is the reason why the rule he violated was instituted.


You absolutely 100% can compare what he did with the black socks.  In fact as manager he had more control over the outcome of the game than any one or handful of players.  He controlled the entire team.  Again his numbers MAY be worthy of consideration of being voted in but he intentionally, purposefully, and deliberately made a personal choice to break a rule that he full well knew called for a lifetime ban.  He knew that a lifetime ban would keep him out of the HOF.  There really is no debate at all about this.  If he did respect the game he would sit down, shut up, and go away rather than whine cry and make a mockery of the game by acting like what he chose to do did not matter.  Further I do not agree that he played the game 'the right way'.  Ending the career of another player over an exhibition game shows how much he did NOT do so.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on November 26, 2014, 11:49:11 pm
youre the only person ive ever seen not even admit that rose's stats are clearly hof worthy
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 28, 2014, 11:11:05 pm
A's trade Donaldson to Toronto for Brett Lawrie
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 01, 2014, 12:04:05 pm
Cruz to Seattle - $57M for 4 years
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 01, 2014, 12:04:21 pm
Nice work, Shemp.  That will be a disaster for the M's as Cruz will miss the shoebox that is Baltimore.

EDIT - $57m is not as bad as I thought.  Still probably should have found a smaller park though, but I suppose if it's your last job...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 01, 2014, 01:28:40 pm
According to an Orioles official, the club was told that Cruz had a four-year, $58 million offer.
Cruz's agreement with the Mariners reportedly includes a $1 million signing bonus.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2014, 03:19:26 pm
That's what I thought: you're going to miss Camden Yards...

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 01, 2014, 04:47:10 pm
That's what I thought: you're going to miss Camden Yards...



He only hit 15 of his 40 in Camden Yards.  That said, I don't think he makes it to 40 again either.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 02, 2014, 01:05:12 pm
The only way this deal makes sense is if the Mariners sign more free agents.  Giving Cruz a fourth year and giving up a #1 draft pick is foolish.  But now that the draft pick is gone, be bold and sign some more free agents like the O's did last year, with, eh, Cruz!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Got Haggis? on December 02, 2014, 02:14:29 pm
probably paying too much for Cruz....

that being said, now they are saying it doesn't look like Markakis will resign.  not liking that one bit.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 02, 2014, 04:15:27 pm
probably paying too much for Cruz....

that being said, now they are saying it doesn't look like Markakis will resign.  not liking that one bit.


May be going back home to Woodstock.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 03, 2014, 12:04:01 pm
http://grantland.com/features/2014-mlb-trade-value-rankings-part-1/

Part 2 tomorrow
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 03, 2014, 03:21:44 pm
Jim Johnson gets a major league deal from the Braves and $1.6M guaranteed.  Wow.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 03, 2014, 07:30:06 pm
Markakis to the Braves - 4 year, $44m deal.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 03, 2014, 07:51:56 pm
Markakis to the Braves - 4 year, $44m deal.

Weird thing is the O's reportedly offered him a similar deal a month ago, but it fell apart for some reason.  Then, lately they didn't want to go more than 3 years.  Who knows?

Thought for sure he'd stay.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2014, 08:04:38 pm
HORRIBLE>>>WHAAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!@ MARKAKIS IS THE ORIOLES!


what are they doing? is this like hey we did ok last year lets tank?

i am disgusted
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 03, 2014, 08:14:11 pm
Solid veteran player.  Fine career.  But he had become basically an overpaid singles hitter.  Plus defender -  sure.  Fan favorite - sure.  I dunno.  Maybe I'm rationalizing to try to move on and not be emotionally attached to a player.

I think Duquette offered around $34M for 4 yrs in October.  Nick balked.  DD then started to question 4 years.  The Braves posted with a better offer.  Then bingo.  Nick goes home. 

I know Adam Jones isn't happy, according to his tweets.  I'm sure Angelos isn't either.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 03, 2014, 08:44:24 pm
I suspect this means that the O's are looking to deal for Kemp or one of the Upton brothers.

Not being a fan of the O's, I think the Braves went too long on a deal, which is what I suspect was the stopping point in Baltimore's negotiations.  Normally I don't pay for nonmeasurable baseball contributions to the team, but the worst offender of that principle just won their 3rd World Series in 5 years so what do I know.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 03, 2014, 08:47:16 pm
MARKAKIS IS THE ORIOLES!

I know Adam Jones isn't happy, according to his tweets.  I'm sure Angelos isn't either.

These two contradictions made me laugh.  It's time for AJ to be the O's.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2014, 09:05:50 pm
I am very disturbed but will hold myself until I hear from my trusty O's source Keete8bug...she'll know the scoop...


we know Smackie thinks every player going forward in the history of baseball is overpaid..that ain't news...that's a crusty loaf of bread.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 03, 2014, 09:20:03 pm
MARKAKIS IS THE ORIOLES!

I know Adam Jones isn't happy, according to his tweets.  I'm sure Angelos isn't either.

These two contradictions made me laugh.  It's time for AJ to be the O's.

They were partners in arms.

From Roch:

Markakis, who couldn't be reached for comment, wanted to stay with the Orioles and is upset that it didn't happen. They negotiated down to a three-year deal while seeking assurances that his health would be fine.
Markakis underwent a couple of examinations and waited for the Orioles to increase their offer. A guaranteed fourth year apparently came off the table.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2014, 09:33:59 pm
Exactly:

Orioles fuck over their cornerstone player.

Shameful


Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 03, 2014, 09:50:39 pm
Exactly:

Orioles fuck over their cornerstone player.

Shameful


They offered what they thought was fair.  Almost $10M per after he had made $17M per for the last few years.  I'm not sure how that is fucking him over.  He got a better deal and took it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2014, 10:03:27 pm
Exactly:

Orioles fuck over their cornerstone player.

Shameful


They offered what they thought was fair.  Almost $10M per after he had made $17M per for the last few years.  I'm not sure how that is fucking him over.  He got a better deal and took it.

you don't ask the team leader to take a hometown discount...that ain't right.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 03, 2014, 10:07:32 pm
you don't ask the team leader to take a hometown discount...that ain't right.

*Cough* Jered Weaver *Cough*
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 03, 2014, 10:10:00 pm
we know Smackie thinks every player going forward in the history of baseball is overpaid..

It's not about the amount - the vast majority of the problems I have with contracts are the duration.

Nelson Cruz? Fine next year, probably only slightly overpaid the year after that.  An Albatross in year three, and he's released in year four.

Markakis?  I'll still be here in four years to remind everyone when he's no longer in baseball.  He's a glorified singles hitter....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 03, 2014, 10:10:33 pm
He got a better deal and took it.

Yep.

They were partners in arms.

So he lost his best friend.  Boo hoo.  This isn't friends-business.  It's just business.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on December 04, 2014, 01:09:22 am
you don't ask the team leader to take a hometown discount...that ain't right.

*Cough* Jered Weaver *Cough*

baltimore != southern california
orioles organization != angels organization
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 04, 2014, 08:08:14 am
Rosenthal:

In March 2013, Markakis, 31, was diagnosed with a small disk herniation in his neck. And even though he appeared in 160 and 155 games the past two seasons, his condition and diminished power gave the Orioles pause, according to major-league sources.

Roch:

The Braves checked the results of Markakis' recent medical examinations, including an MRI, and had no qualms about offering him a fourth year. The Orioles wanted more information on the small disc herniation in his neck and assurances that it wouldn't become a more serious issue that might require surgery.

And the offers were reportedly only $4M apart.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on December 04, 2014, 08:12:19 am
Rosenthal:

In March 2013, Markakis, 31, was diagnosed with a small disk herniation in his neck. And even though he appeared in 160 and 155 games the past two seasons, his condition and diminished power gave the Orioles pause, according to major-league sources.


ah he's getting the Red Sox treatment on the way out of town....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Got Haggis? on December 04, 2014, 11:55:28 am
Exactly:

Orioles fuck over their cornerstone player.

Shameful


They offered what they thought was fair.  Almost $10M per after he had made $17M per for the last few years.  I'm not sure how that is fucking him over.  He got a better deal and took it.

you don't ask the team leader to take a hometown discount...that ain't right.

exactly!!!! this is fucking shameful
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 04, 2014, 04:18:29 pm
I think you're looking at it too subjectively.  Is Nick really an $11M player at this point in his career?  How about 3 or 4 years from now? 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 04, 2014, 09:47:05 pm
http://grantland.com/features/2014-mlb-trade-value-rankings-part-1/

Part 2 tomorrow

http://grantland.com/features/2014-mlb-trade-value-rankings-part-2/

I actually would have put Bumgarner at #1 and Trout at #2 because of how team friendly Bumgarner's deal is.  $10.5 million per season (AAVG) over the next 5 means you could afford him and sign some free agents.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 05, 2014, 12:00:32 pm
3 way trade.  Yankees get Didi Gregorious,  Tigers get Shane Greene,  D-Backs get Robbie Ray.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 05, 2014, 12:00:42 pm
Yankees get SS Didi Gregorius from Aizona. Tigers get SP Shane Greene from NYY. Arizona gets Robbie Ray and another pitcher from Detroit.

I'm sure Nats fans will want to talk about the Doug Fister trade some more as though it was the baseball equivalent of Herschel Walker to Minnesota, so lets get that out of the way.

EDIT: My editorializing allowed Smackie to beat me by 10 seconds.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 05, 2014, 04:43:39 pm
Andrew Miller to the dreaded Yankees - 4 years $36M
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 08, 2014, 12:58:45 pm
Cubs (re)sign Jason Hammel, 2 years, $18m.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 08, 2014, 01:20:14 pm
This is an amazing article touting the skills of Scott Boras (http://nypost.com/2014/12/08/how-scott-boras-demands-cloud-market-for-max-scherzer/) delivering for his clients over the last 10 years.  But not a single one of those deals has been good for the team.

Carlos Beltran (2004, seven years, $119 million)
Barry Zito (2006, seven years, $126 million)
Alex Rodriguez (2007, 10 years, $275 million)
Mark Teixeira (2008, eight years, $180 million)
Matt Holliday (2009, seven years, $120 million)
Jayson Werth (2010, seven years $126 million)
Prince Fielder (2011, nine years, $214 million)
Jacoby Ellsbury (2013, seven years, $153 million)

Buyers beware.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 08, 2014, 01:46:42 pm
Oak trades Moss to Indians for a prospect.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 08, 2014, 03:15:20 pm
The Veterans Committee did not elect anyone to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Dick Allen and Tony Oliva each received 11 of 16 votes, one shy of induction. Jim Kaat fell two votes short.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2014, 01:55:32 am
White Sox sign Robertson,  4 yrs,  $40m+

Also close to trading for Smardjzia...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on December 09, 2014, 07:33:19 am
man i dont get oaklands offseason at all

theyre clearly going for a rebuild, like always, but yet they signed billy butler, a weak hitting dh with zero lineup flexibility, for three years?

beane deserves the benefit of the doubt more than most guys but im not seeing the big picture here
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2014, 01:05:22 pm
I questioned the Butler signing before the fire sale,  but I agree,  now it's even more perplexing.  You have to wonder what Butler thinks about all of this.

I saw a list yesterday of A's castaways in the last decade,  and it was an incredible list.  I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2014, 01:05:42 pm
@Joelsherman1 Robertson 14th fr agt to sign for at least $10M total http://nyp.st/1s98c2o 12 have gone to AL teams, none have gone from AL to NL team
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2014, 01:09:26 pm
Cubs are about to acquire catcher J Montero from AZ
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2014, 01:53:08 pm
Some speculation A's are clearing out space for Ethier.  Dodgers would eat salary for stockpile of prospects. And a catcher I suppose.

GM of Oak and Assistant GM of LAD are close....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2014, 05:48:32 pm
Pirates resign Liriano.  3 yrs, $39m.  Solid deal for a small market team.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 10, 2014, 03:16:52 am
Lester to Cubs.  6(!) years,  $155m
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 10, 2014, 06:59:37 pm
The Dodgers traded for Jimmy Rollins.  Not yet sure what they gave up....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 10, 2014, 08:27:53 pm
(http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/images/Boras_scrum.jpg)

I don't like this guy.  At all.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on December 10, 2014, 08:48:39 pm
https://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadio/status/542834422462947328

grain of salt, obviously, but yeah.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 10, 2014, 09:43:56 pm
The rumor I liked was that the Dodgers were sending Dee Gordon and Dan Haren to Miami for some prospect pitching.  The Dodgers offered to pick up all of Haren's salary, mostly because he said that if he's traded away from CA he'll retire.

"Trading a player & agreeing to pay his $10M salary, while knowing there's a good chance you'll pay nothing, is as Andrew Friedman as it gets."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on December 10, 2014, 09:52:18 pm
(http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/images/Boras_scrum.jpg)

I don't like this guy.  At all.
Quote
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Boras says there is "widespread" interest in Barry Zito.
:D
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 11, 2014, 01:17:15 am
Dodgers flip Miami pitcher acquired hours ago for Howie Kendrick
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 11, 2014, 09:38:12 am
Boras says there is "widespread" interest in Baked Ziti.
Fixed that for Boras. I think he misspoke.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 11, 2014, 10:09:10 am
Our long National Matt Kemp related nightmare is over. To the Padres. $31 million going with Kemp.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 11, 2014, 10:49:24 am
Our long National Matt Kemp related nightmare is over. To the Padres. $31 million going with Kemp.

Strange deal with that haul.  A catcher and a reliever?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 11, 2014, 10:51:02 am
"Trading a player & agreeing to pay his $10M salary, while knowing there's a good chance you'll pay nothing, is as Andrew Friedman as it gets."

So Anaheim is looking at re-acquiring Haren, possibly for CJ Wilson, since the Dodgers are paying Haren's salary next season.  Everybody wins there, except maybe the Dodgers.

So much for the quiet off season in Anaheim.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 11, 2014, 10:57:01 am
Cespedes to the Tigers for Porcello.

My quest for Porcello goes on for another year....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 11, 2014, 10:59:04 am
Cespedes to the Tigers for Porcello.

My quest for Porcello goes on for another year....
I FUCKING LOVE THIS. I hope we sign him longterm. His defense would bring alot to that big outfield. I love Porcello but this is awesome, and totally explains why Tigers are supposedly making a mega offer to Scherzer.

Supposedly another trade coming today from Tigers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 11, 2014, 11:16:23 am
Jon Morosi reporting Tigers trading for "a Reds starting pitcher." I'm assuming Latos or Homer Bailey.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 11, 2014, 12:35:21 pm
Alfredo Simon to Tigers. Not clear what's going back. Regardless, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

EDIT: Suarez and Jonathan Crawford going back.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 11, 2014, 01:10:02 pm
Red Sox sign Masterson.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 11, 2014, 01:26:15 pm
Royals gave Morales 2 years, $17m.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 11, 2014, 02:17:19 pm
and totally explains why Tigers are supposedly making a mega offer to Scherzer.

Boras is asking $200m for Scherzer.  Every team should pass...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 11, 2014, 03:01:29 pm
and totally explains why Tigers are supposedly making a mega offer to Scherzer.

Boras is asking $200m for Scherzer.  Every team should pass...
Well if the alternative is Big Pasta...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 11, 2014, 03:13:19 pm
Twins sign Ervin Santana - 4 yrs, $54m
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 11, 2014, 05:04:14 pm
Jayson Stark: "Greatest transaction in baseball history: Dan Jennings (Mia GM) traded Dan Jennings (LHP) today"

 :o :D
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 12, 2014, 12:25:54 pm
Angels sign Cuban shortstop/2B Roberto Baldoquin for $8 million.

Makes the Kendrick deal a little clearer.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 12, 2014, 01:22:20 pm
"Trading a player & agreeing to pay his $10M salary, while knowing there's a good chance you'll pay nothing, is as Andrew Friedman as it gets."

So Anaheim is looking at re-acquiring Haren, possibly for CJ Wilson, since the Dodgers are paying Haren's salary next season.  Everybody wins there, except maybe the Dodgers.

According to the terms of the LAD-MIA deal, if Haren retires, the Marlins get to keep the $10m to spend as they see fit.  What the hell were the Dodgers thinking?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on December 12, 2014, 02:14:46 pm
that just tells me the dodgers were gonna cut him and eat the $10m anyway

trading him instead saves harens pride a bit, even if he loses $10m by retiring. the dodgers clearly had no use for him
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 13, 2014, 07:29:49 pm
The Toronto Blue Jays have expressed interest in Nationals General Manager and President of Baseball Operations Mike Rizzo as a candidate to replace Paul Beeston team president and CEO, according to an ESPN report. But, according to a person familiar with the situation, the Nationals and Rizzo have not been contacted by the Blue Jays.

Who AREN'T they interested in?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 14, 2014, 05:27:45 pm
Who AREN'T they interested in?

It's kind of a brilliant strategy -  disrupt all of your competition by interfering with the front office.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 14, 2014, 05:29:15 pm
Melky got 3 years from the White Sox -  $42 million.  He won't finish that contract with them,  so good move for them?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 15, 2014, 03:13:16 pm
Headley to the Yankees for 4 years, $52 million.

Who's worse off now - the Giants or A-Rod?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on December 15, 2014, 08:45:22 pm
http://www.csnwashington.com/baseball-washington-nationals/talk/markakis-have-neck-surgery-2-weeks-after-signing-braves?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 16, 2014, 11:03:27 am
Morse gets 2 year deal from Marlins
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 16, 2014, 01:58:18 pm
Morse gets 2 year deal from Marlins

This is amazing.  Why would any NL team sign Morse, and even worse, to a deal longer than one year?

He hit 3 HR's past June last season.  3!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 16, 2014, 02:04:40 pm
Why would any NL team sign Morse,

They probably were drunk and thought they were getting...
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2014/article/mad-mens-robert-morse-on-dancing-into-the-sunset-20140527/18867/_original/1035x689-20140527-robertmorse-x1800-1401225528.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 16, 2014, 03:39:02 pm
Angels acquire OF Matt Joyce for RHP Kevin Jepsen.

Um, are we trading Hamilton?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 16, 2014, 03:52:12 pm
Angels acquire OF Matt Joyce for RHP Kevin Jepsen.

Um, are we trading Hamilton?

Somebody would take him?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 16, 2014, 03:53:07 pm
Angels acquire OF Matt Joyce for RHP Kevin Jepsen.

Um, are we trading Hamilton?

Somebody would take him?
Seems like something the Rangers would do. See also: Fielder, Prince.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 16, 2014, 03:56:28 pm
Somebody would take him?

I know - really bizarre. 

It wasn't salary savings - Joyce make $3.7m to be a backup outfielder to where Jepsen is Arb-2 and will probably make about $2.5 million.  This after his breakout season with an extra year of control.

Anaheim won 98 games, mostly without Hamilton, and would have won 100 if not for our crappy bullpen.  Fix/maintain that, don't provide depth in the OF.   

There's something else afoot.

EDIT: Ha - just realized you were talking about Hamilton.  I'm actually surprised someone would take Joyce too.  He's nothing like his 2011 self.

The answer to your question is no.  But god I hope so.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 16, 2014, 11:40:42 pm
Angels acquire OF Matt Joyce for RHP Kevin Jepsen.

Um, are we trading Hamilton?

Somebody would take him?
Seems like something the Rangers would do. See also: Fielder, Prince.

Just remember where you heard this first:

Are the Angels looking to trade Josh Hamilton?  (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angles-angels-josh-hamilton-trade-him-or-not-who-benefits-ken-rosenthal-121614)

Nice call on Texas,  Julian.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 17, 2014, 01:15:33 pm
Rumors circulating that Kemp may fail his physical.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2014, 01:37:59 pm
Rumors circulating that Kemp may fail his physical.

That's what I'm hearing to out of Dodger land, which is why the Wil Myers deal is gaining steam.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2014, 03:42:23 pm
Wil Myers deal is gaining steam.

At least three teams at this point, and maybe 10 players, which is why it's taking so long.  The Nationals and Ian Desmond appear to be part of it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2014, 06:50:53 pm
Volquez to Royals. 2-years, $20m.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2014, 07:07:50 pm
Wil Myers deal is gaining steam.

At least three teams at this point, and maybe 10 players, which is why it's taking so long.  The Nationals and Ian Desmond appear to be part of it.

Padres get Myers, Castillo, Hanigan, Reyes
TB gets Butch Smith Ott Rivera Bauers
WSH gets RHP Joe Ross and PTNL (which will be SS Trey Turner on 6/14)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 18, 2014, 01:27:14 pm
Rumors circulating that Kemp may fail his physical.

That's what I'm hearing to out of Dodger land, which is why the Wil Myers deal is gaining steam.

New injury for Kemp - Arthritis in his hip.

The Dodgers will likely have to fork over more cash as SD has made other moves for corner outfielders and less desperate for this deal.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 19, 2014, 11:16:14 am
Justin Upton to Padres. Details upcoming.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 19, 2014, 11:52:36 am
Justin Upton to Padres. Details upcoming.


The Padres are going for it!

They gave up LHP prospect Max Fried and 3 others.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 19, 2014, 12:08:13 pm
The Padres are also getting Will Middlebrooks from Boston for C Hanigan.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 19, 2014, 12:11:20 pm
Smackie: odds the Braves are confused on which Upton they've agreed to trade? 1 in 6?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 19, 2014, 02:31:31 pm
Smackie: odds the Braves are confused on which Upton they've agreed to trade? 1 in 6?

Nice. 

It looks like the entire NL save for SD, LA and the Nats are building for the future.  Good news for those three teams competing for a World Series spot. 

EDIT: Forgot about the Marlins - they're also playing for the now.  Just picked up Prado and Phelps from the Yankees for Eovaldi and Jones.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 30, 2014, 02:13:22 pm
Rays sign Asdrubal Cabrera to a one year deal worth $8m. Weird -  thought he'd get a longer deal with a contender for sure.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 30, 2014, 02:30:16 pm
Mariners are about to acquire Seth Smith from the Padres.  One less OF option for the O's.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on December 30, 2014, 03:24:42 pm
Mariners are about to acquire Seth Smith from the Padres.  One less OF option for the O's.

They may end up with a one year deal for Rasmus, a la Cruz last year.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 31, 2014, 03:05:51 pm
Marlon Byrd traded to the Reds.

Danorfia to the Cubs. 

OF options getting thinner and thinner. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 06, 2015, 03:11:32 pm
Unit, Pedro, Smoltz and Biggio.  No Piazza.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 06, 2015, 03:34:05 pm
Unit, Pedro, Smoltz and Biggio.  No Piazza.

So I was only wrong on Smoltz, but I was pretty wrong there.   82.7% is impressive.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 10, 2015, 04:48:59 pm
A's acquire Zobrist and Yunel Escobar for Jaso and 2 prospects.  Never count Beane out...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 14, 2015, 04:30:42 pm
Mike Foltynewicz, Rio Ruiz and RHP Andrew Thurman going from Astros to Braves for Evan Gattis.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2015, 01:20:45 pm
Nori Aoki to the Giants on a 1 year, $4m deal plus incentives.

Absolutely someone who I would never sign and is exactly who the Giants would sign.  Can't wait to watch him in that spacious outfield.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2015, 02:20:50 pm
Tigers and Price agree to one year deal to avoid arbitration ($19.75m).

I was hoping a long term deal would clear up the future of Scherzer.  This does nothing.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 16, 2015, 02:30:07 pm
Tigers and Price agree to one year deal to avoid arbitration ($19.75m).

I was hoping a long term deal would clear up the future of Scherzer.  This does nothing.
I still say give Scherzer what he wants and trade Price to replenish the farm system at the trade deadline.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2015, 02:34:44 pm
I still say give Scherzer what he wants and trade Price to replenish the farm system at the trade deadline.

Are you not planning on being in first place at that time?  Because there's no way that deal happens if the Tigers are leading the division. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 16, 2015, 02:39:07 pm
I still say give Scherzer what he wants and trade Price to replenish the farm system at the trade deadline.

Are you not planning on being in first place at that time?  Because there's no way that deal happens if the Tigers are leading the division. 
I realize short of the wheels falling off, they'll never actually DO it. That doesn't mean it's not a good idea. The Tigers are highly leveraged in big $$ players with decreasing returns over the next five seasons. Their farm system is mostly in shambles. Why not, you know, be smart for once?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 16, 2015, 05:56:30 pm
Apparently Jamie Shields is in talks with Detroit. (Or Shields agent would like people to think he is.)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2015, 06:13:27 pm
Apparently Jamie Shields is in talks with Detroit. (Or Shields agent would like people to think he is.)

I absolutely would think this is true if Price had signed a long term deal.  There's no way the Tigers lose Scherzer and Price and turn that into just Shields.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2015, 06:41:06 pm
I guess its just me that thinks Shields ain't all that.. I wouldn't sign him.. He looked scared during the World Series..scared to throw strikes.. I hate pitchers like that.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 19, 2015, 04:22:27 pm
Vegas odds now for WS.

Washington Nationals 6/1
Los Angeles Dodgers 8/1
Boston Red Sox   12/1
Chicago Cubs   12/1
Los Angeles Angels   12/1
St. Louis Cardinals   12/1
Detroit Tigers   14/1
Seattle Mariners   16/1
San Francisco Giants   18/1
Toronto Blue Jays   18/1
Baltimore Orioles   20/1
Chicago White Sox   20/1
Kansas City Royals   25/1
New York Yankees   25/1
San Diego Padres   25/1
Cleveland Indians   28/1
Atlanta Braves   33/1
Miami Marlins 33/1
New York Mets   33/1
Pittsburgh Pirates   33/1
Oakland Athletics   40/1
Texas Rangers   40/1
Cincinnati Reds   50/1
Milwaukee Brewers   50/1
Houston Astros   66/1
Tampa Bay Rays   66/1
Arizona Diamondbacks   100/1
Colorado Rockies   100/1
Minnesota Twins   100/1
Philadelphia Phillies   100/1
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on January 19, 2015, 04:56:55 pm
Vegas odds now for WS.

Washington Nationals 6/1
Los Angeles Dodgers 8/1
Boston Red Sox   12/1
Chicago Cubs   12/1
Los Angeles Angels   12/1
St. Louis Cardinals   12/1
Detroit Tigers   14/1
Seattle Mariners   16/1
San Francisco Giants   18/1
Toronto Blue Jays   18/1
Baltimore Orioles   20/1
Chicago White Sox   20/1
Kansas City Royals   25/1
New York Yankees   25/1
San Diego Padres   25/1
Cleveland Indians   28/1
Atlanta Braves   33/1
Miami Marlins 33/1
New York Mets   33/1
Pittsburgh Pirates   33/1
Oakland Athletics   40/1
Texas Rangers   40/1
Cincinnati Reds   50/1
Milwaukee Brewers   50/1
Houston Astros   66/1
Tampa Bay Rays   66/1
Arizona Diamondbacks   100/1
Colorado Rockies   100/1
Minnesota Twins   100/1
Philadelphia Phillies   100/1

would you take two 12/1 teams or the nats at 6/1? given that the payout would essentially be the same if either bet hit, i think i would be taking BOS and LAA or maybe even ChC and really liking those odds.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 19, 2015, 05:19:18 pm
The 2014 World Series Odds on Feb 1, 2014

Los Angeles Dodgers -- 13/2
Detroit Tigers -- 17/2
New York Yankees -- 10/1
Boston Red Sox -- 12/1
St. Louis Cardinals -- 12/1
Washington Nationals -- 12/1
Texas Rangers -- 14/1
Los Angeles Angels -- 16/1
San Francisco Giants -- 16/1
Cincinnati Reds -- 18/1
Atlanta Braves -- 20/1
Oakland Athletics -- 20/1
Toronto Blue Jays -- 20/1
Tampa Bay Rays -- 22/1
Pittsburgh Pirates -- 25/1
Baltimore Orioles -- 33/1
Cleveland Indians -- 33/1
Kansas City Royals -- 33/1
Philadelphia Phillies -- 33/1
Seattle Mariners -- 33/1
Arizona Diamondbacks -- 40/1
Chicago Cubs -- 40/1
Chicago White Sox -- 40/1
Milwaukee Brewers -- 50/1
San Diego Padres -- 50/1
Colorado Rockies -- 66/1
New York Mets -- 66/1
Minnesota Twins -- 75/1
Miami Marlins -- 100/1
Houston Astros -- 200/1
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 20, 2015, 06:18:25 pm
Astros sign Colby Rasmus to a one year deal worth $8m. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 20, 2015, 06:53:55 pm
Astros sign Colby Rasmus to a one year deal worth $8m. 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/astros-add-colby-rasmus--plan-to-strike-out-at-an-astonishing-rate-211239451.html

hahaha
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 21, 2015, 02:10:25 pm
hahaha

Yes, they now have 7, SEVEN hitters in the top 100 for strikeouts last season.  5 in the top 20!

That being said, I'd still rather have Rasmus than Lough or De Aza.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 23, 2015, 01:31:37 pm
Ichiro to the Marlins.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on January 29, 2015, 02:48:55 pm
Keith Laws farm team ranks:

1. Cubs

9. Nats - the Souza deal helped a lot.

22. Orioles - still have top 2 pitchers, weren't able to add much more though.

27.  Angels - were sure to be last for third straight year, but the Heaney deal moved them up 3 spots (still not sure how much that matters as Richards, Shoemaker and Calhoun have starting jobs and were from the system last year and the year before).

30. Tigers - really no good news at all.  Traded 5 of their top 10 prospects, promoted Castellanos, and had an elbow injury to their top pitcher.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 29, 2015, 02:58:08 pm
30. Tigers - really no good news at all.  Traded 5 of their top 10 prospects, promoted Castellanos, and had an elbow injury to their top pitcher.
Well, it's the price we knew we were going to have to pay for that World Series championship we won a few ye---, oh, wait...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 03, 2015, 07:51:43 pm
Josh Hamilton out 6-8 weeks after shoulder surgery.

No idea what took so long to get it done.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 04, 2015, 12:48:09 pm
Josh Hamilton out 6-8 weeks after shoulder surgery.

No idea what took so long to get it done.

Dammit.  This makes so much sense now.  The Halo's weren't trading him - they knew he was hurt and reluctant to have surgery.

Angels acquire OF Matt Joyce for RHP Kevin Jepsen.

Um, are we trading Hamilton?

On the plus side, only 3 seasons left on the deal...$25m thisyear and $32m each the two after that.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on February 04, 2015, 05:18:03 pm
the board is so dead that smackie is now just talking to himself.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 04, 2015, 06:08:50 pm
the board is so dead that smackie is now just talking to himself.

We're all at 930Con.  Why aren't you here?!?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 05, 2015, 03:44:06 pm
V-Mart  undergoes surgery for torn meniscus.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 05, 2015, 03:47:37 pm
V-Mart  undergoes surgery for torn meniscus.
Logged on to post this. Makes that insane contract even worse. *sigh*

I'll put good money on Tigers missing playoffs next season.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 06, 2015, 11:31:18 am
http://grantland.com/features/worst-mlb-contracts-2015-alex-rodriguez-ryan-howard-prince-fielder/

Interesting article, albeit not particularly surprising.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 09, 2015, 03:17:26 am
Padres sign Shields.  #allin
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 16, 2015, 03:05:34 pm
Can someone give me some guidance on the best way to get some seats to the Os Vs BoSox games at the end of april.
Love to get a box or someone's season tickets...but trying to avoid stub hub and the like

is there a tix trading forum for Os?

I would need 6 or 7 seats
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2015, 03:22:58 pm
Can someone give me some guidance on the best way to get some seats to the Os Vs BoSox games at the end of april.
Love to get a box or someone's season tickets...but trying to avoid stub hub and the like

is there a tix trading forum for Os?

I would need 6 or 7 seats

Orioles fans please note these guys will be rooting for the Red Sox...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 16, 2015, 03:26:45 pm
I'm going to be rooting for the guy at the beer stand!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 16, 2015, 05:26:59 pm
ok, I'm a total noob when it comes to pro sports, but can i just buy tickets to an O's game?

seems like when I go to the O's site it only has season tickets?

ticketmaster doesn't sell them
all I can see is stub hub and the like?

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2015, 05:39:21 pm
ok, I'm a total noob when it comes to pro sports, but can i just buy tickets to an O's game?

seems like when I go to the O's site it only has season tickets?

ticketmaster doesn't sell them
all I can see is stub hub and the like?



man this sounds really urgent...what with opening day months away and all?

who you taking, President Obama?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 16, 2015, 05:45:57 pm
I just want to pay face value...not sure why it's so hard to navigate the site
but apparently this game has not gone on sale yet??

I'm sure all the baseballheads are annoyed my my sullying up their thread

but if you must know I've got an Isis contingent coming in town and they really want to get seats close to home plate
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2015, 05:46:15 pm
maybe they are not on sale yet?

preseason tickets go on sale tomorrow it looks like..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2015, 05:47:48 pm
i wish people would stop calling it ISIS..they are not a state.. they are a bunch of terrorists and fuckups....to call them "Islamic State" gives them a legitimacy they have not earned... it takes more than chopping a few heads and setting off a few bombs to be a "State"...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 16, 2015, 05:50:33 pm
these guys buddy

(https://mitchellthorp.org/uploads/ISIS%20Pharmaceuticals_website1.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2015, 05:55:41 pm
these guys buddy

(https://mitchellthorp.org/uploads/ISIS%20Pharmaceuticals_website1.jpg)

I don't see much upside there.....unless they change their name like yesterday I'd say you don't need to worry about taking them anywhere....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 16, 2015, 05:59:02 pm
sorry wrong guys...these guys

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-peyrREs-do8/VHFLZXyLdoI/AAAAAAAANSE/DJWAu8T_3F0/s1600/ISIS-Mar2006.jpg)

although those pharma guys really know how to party!

...I know my trolling isn't going to help my ticket acquisition but this board it d-e-a-d
what did some presidents have a birthday?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2015, 06:00:31 pm
getting back on topic i tell you one thing: Red Sox and Yankees games at Camden can be tough tickets and with the Orioles doing so well last year....it will be even harder to score 6-7 good seats together...a box would I imagine be pricey.....but I suppose you can bill it as a business expense....

those Yankee and Red Sox people come out of the woodwork and drive hours for those games at Camden because they are really cheap compared to games at Yankee Stadium or Fenway....

a friend of mine back in the Golden Age (not the Iron Age) used to have three seats about 20 rows straight behind home plate.... man I got spoiled....there's nothing like watching a game from over there.. you can actually see what the pitcher is doing!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 16, 2015, 06:19:30 pm
I'm fairly certain you benefited from some of the my brief golden age of free tickets to Os games...
(although you still haven't forgotten me for that last dead show) ;)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 16, 2015, 06:19:38 pm
I have friends in Anaheim who used to pay for their season seats simply by selling their Yankees and Red Sox seats for ridiculous amounts.  However, since MLB increased interleague play, the number of AL East games has been reduced so they can only pay for 3/4 of the games.

It's a win-win for them because they're the worst fans to watch a game with, so sell those and pay for the other 72 home games....   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2015, 08:39:29 pm
they're the worst fans to watch a game with   


well... I was going to say you're right but I think Philly fans take the overall prize....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 17, 2015, 06:07:44 pm
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tWeSq5L9--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/k0n7v3myw2btey6jaxpj.jpg)

$100M guaranteed thru 2019.  Nice.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 17, 2015, 06:15:18 pm
$100M guaranteed thru 2019.  Nice.

Every sane Giants fan could have told you this.  The rest are just upset about having purchased this:

(http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/panda-hat-giants.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 17, 2015, 07:34:17 pm
Put 'em on ebay for beaners to buy.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 18, 2015, 01:02:04 am
In case you missed it, here are opening early over/under win totals for all 30 teams, courtesy of Bovada.lv:

Los Angeles Dodgers -- 92
Washington Nationals -- 92
Los Angeles Angels -- 89
St. Louis Cardinals -- 88
Boston Red Sox -- 86
Seattle Mariners -- 86
San Diego Padres -- 85
Detroit Tigers -- 84
San Francisco Giants -- 84
Cleveland Indians -- 83
Pittsburgh Pirates -- 83
Baltimore Orioles -- 82
Chicago Cubs -- 82
Toronto Blue Jays -- 82
Chicago White Sox -- 81
Miami Marlins -- 81
New York Mets -- 81
New York Yankees -- 81
Oakland Athletics -- 80
Kansas City Royals -- 79
Milwaukee Brewers -- 78
Tampa Bay Rays -- 78
Cincinnati Reds -- 77
Texas Rangers -- 77
Houston Astros -- 74
Atlanta Braves -- 73
Arizona Diamondbacks -- 71
Colorado Rockies -- 71
Minnesota Twins -- 70
Philadelphia Phillies -- 68
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 20, 2015, 08:34:41 am
definitely agree with lets stop the manager running out and looking to the dugout bit.. that is retarded

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report--mlb-to-announce-pace-of-play-rule-changes-on-friday-030811363.html
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 20, 2015, 10:20:19 am
definitely agree with lets stop the manager running out and looking to the dugout bit.. that is retarded

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report--mlb-to-announce-pace-of-play-rule-changes-on-friday-030811363.html

The only reason that happens is to give the guys upstairs time to study the replay to determine if they should challenge or not.  What happens now - a timeout?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 20, 2015, 04:37:46 pm
definitely agree with lets stop the manager running out and looking to the dugout bit.. that is retarded

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report--mlb-to-announce-pace-of-play-rule-changes-on-friday-030811363.html

The only reason that happens is to give the guys upstairs time to study the replay to determine if they should challenge or not.  What happens now - a timeout?

how about people decide immediately? why the replay?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 23, 2015, 10:39:30 am
Red Sox sign Moncada.  $30m range...

EDIT: Boston offer was $31.5, Yankees were at $25m. With luxury tax,  Boston will fork out $63m for a middle infielder.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 23, 2015, 03:30:09 pm
2014 Average Ticket Prices

1. Boston Red Sox $141.59
2. New York Yankees $139.41

Box Office Price - 2014

1. Boston $52.32
2. New York $51.55

ML Avg - $27.83



Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2015, 03:34:20 pm
2014 Average Ticket Prices

1. Boston Red Sox $141.59
2. New York Yankees $139.41
The two most popular teams in the league have the highest average ticket prices on the secondary market? I'm stunned by this turn of events.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 23, 2015, 03:55:08 pm
2014 Average Ticket Prices

1. Boston Red Sox $141.59
2. New York Yankees $139.41
The two most popular teams in the league have the highest average ticket prices on the secondary market? I'm stunned by this turn of events.

and that's why their annoying fans are present in such large numbers at Camden Yards


do the Nats play either team this year?

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 23, 2015, 05:15:36 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/02/23/red-sox-sign-cuban-yoan-moncada-with-bonus-that-exposes-inequity-in-mlb-structure/?tid=pm_sports_pop

'Had Moncada been raised in America, he could not have hoped to sign for even a third of that bonus.

Large-market teams have shown they will pile money on top of money to acquire high-level talent. But they will not part with draft choices on top of money, because draft choices are simply too valuable. On the international market, teams are willing to spend big and forfeit their ability to sign international players for a year for the right talent.'
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 24, 2015, 12:52:39 pm
CA Seeks to Ban All Tobacco Products at Ball Parks in CA. (http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article11042966.html) Even for the players...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2015, 03:31:32 pm
CA Seeks to Ban All Tobacco Products at Ball Parks in CA. (http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article11042966.html) Even for the players...

its just inevitable....

i gotta say i'm amazed at some of the change i've seen in my lifetime

i can remember riding on planes as a child and having trouble breathing due to second hand smoke which was everywhere..it was like first hand smoke!

i can remember having debates in college in the early 90s where people took seriously the idea there was something wrong with being gay....

i can remember being in my late teens when the first black governor was elected.. and it was a big deal.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: ggw on February 24, 2015, 03:40:27 pm
CA Seeks to Ban All Tobacco Products at Ball Parks in CA. (http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article11042966.html) Even for the players...

its just inevitable....

i gotta say i'm amazed at some of the change i've seen in my lifetime

i can remember riding on planes as a child and having trouble breathing due to second hand smoke which was everywhere..it was like first hand smoke!

i can remember having debates in college in the early 90s where people took seriously the idea there was something wrong with being gay....

i can remember being in my late teens when the first black governor was elected.. and it was a big deal.....

Tell us what life was like before color TV, grandpa!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2015, 03:43:16 pm
CA Seeks to Ban All Tobacco Products at Ball Parks in CA. (http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article11042966.html) Even for the players...

its just inevitable....

i gotta say i'm amazed at some of the change i've seen in my lifetime

i can remember riding on planes as a child and having trouble breathing due to second hand smoke which was everywhere..it was like first hand smoke!

i can remember having debates in college in the early 90s where people took seriously the idea there was something wrong with being gay....

i can remember being in my late teens when the first black governor was elected.. and it was a big deal.....

Tell us what life was like before color TV, grandpa!

well as a matter of fact as a child i spent time in Argentina and Romania and they did not have color TV........it was rough.... what else is there to say?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2015, 03:44:00 pm
Grandpa though?

that's hard..given my kids are 5 and 2.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 25, 2015, 05:17:21 pm
Josh Hamilton meeting with MLB on disciplinary issue.  Angels bracing for a penalty.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 25, 2015, 05:20:46 pm
Josh Hamilton meeting with MLB on disciplinary issue.  Angels bracing for a penalty.
Off the wagon or PEDs?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on February 25, 2015, 05:36:38 pm
this is why i'm having trouble with baseball (although I can't wait for it to start)... its hard to tell who is doing what and when and what is real.. just make it all legal and end the charade.....the last straw was hearing that MLB allows some players to use adderall (sic) which is apparently a big help and doesn't allow others.... WTF.... all i ask for is a level playing field....


i have always suspected Hamilton is a fake....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 25, 2015, 05:44:33 pm
FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Boston Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino, who has repeatedly mocked the New York Yankees for their spending, on Wednesday rejected a suggestion that his team has become "Yankee-like" in how it operates.

Lucchino called the Yankees a "different flavor of ice cream" after New York spent nearly $500 million in player acquisitions -- including former Red Sox outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury, catcher Brian McCann and Japanese pitcher Masahiro Tanaka -- after the Red Sox won the World Series in 2013.

"We're very different animals, and I'm proud of that difference. I always cringe when people lump us together with other baseball teams," Lucchino said in February 2014. "They are still ... relying heavily on their inimitable old-fashioned Yankee style of high-priced, long-term free agents. I can't say I wish them well, but I think we have taken a different approach."

Wednesday, Lucchino was asked whether there was really any difference in bottom-line spending among the Yankees, Red Sox and the Dodgers.

"Yeah, I think so," he said. "Have been historically."

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/12380535/ceo-larry-lucchino-says-boston-red-sox-not-new-york-yankees-comes-spending
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Venerable Bede on February 25, 2015, 06:07:38 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Giants-GM-Sabean-talks-Moncada-payroll-spending-6097453.php (http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Giants-GM-Sabean-talks-Moncada-payroll-spending-6097453.php)

"In one of Sabean's more interesting comments, he offered a bit more insight into why he does not pursue more of the high-ticket free agents.

"To entice a free agent to come to San Francisco, we're almost in an overpay situation, so why get involved in all those battles where you're not going to be able to go up the totem pole money-wise?" Sabean said.
When asked to elaborate on why the Giants have to overpay, Sabean said, "You've got the state of California taxes. (San Francisco) is a long way from where some of these guys live in the offseason. It's not a hitters' ballpark, so you can scratch that side of the fence. It takes the right pitcher to consider wanting to come there for a number of different reasons, some of them I just mentioned, even if it's a pitchers' ballpark in a pitchers' division."

Asked if the high California income tax has been a problem for a while, Sabean said, "To a certain extent. Things now are getting more and more about the signing bonus, more and more about your take-home. Exponentially, when you get involved in some of those numbers, it makes a sizable difference to some.""
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 26, 2015, 11:59:27 am
Neither the Dodgers, Angels and even the Padres this year seem to have any problems attracting and signing free agents.  And considering the Giants have won 3 of the last 5 World Series, I think it's fair to say that he's just making excuses.  It's not like he hasn't had opportunities to leave and passed on every one of them to stay in the horrible state of CA.

If he really hated the taxes he would have left years ago.  Would you like some whine with that cheese?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on February 26, 2015, 01:26:04 pm
Josh Hamilton meeting with MLB on disciplinary issue.  Angels bracing for a penalty.

'at least cocaine'

http://deadspin.com/report-josh-hamilton-had-relapse-that-involved-at-lea-1688108614
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on February 26, 2015, 01:28:38 pm
'at least cocaine'

All I read is "salary savings"....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Venerable Bede on February 26, 2015, 03:43:55 pm
Neither the Dodgers, Angels and even the Padres this year seem to have any problems attracting and signing free agents.  And considering the Giants have won 3 of the last 5 World Series, I think it's fair to say that he's just making excuses.  It's not like he hasn't had opportunities to leave and passed on every one of them to stay in the horrible state of CA.

If he really hated the taxes he would have left years ago.  Would you like some whine with that cheese?

I think Sabean is just saying that in order to participate in the market, their budget needs to reflect the reality of being in California, and so far, management has decided to not do so.  The Angels and Dodgers certainly have the budgets and finances to deal with the tax situation, and the Padres decided to do it this year.  The Giants have a philosophy that, as you have noted, has resulted in 3 championships in 5 years.  So, something seems to be working.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on February 26, 2015, 07:52:35 pm
i have always suspected Hamilton is a fake....

fake what? do you think he's actually a woman or something?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 05, 2015, 04:13:34 pm
Just watched my first pitch of the spring season.   I love baseball.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 10, 2015, 12:13:45 pm
'at least cocaine'

Yahoo is reporting Hamilton did cocaine at a strip joint after getting in a fight with his wife over Super Bowl weekend. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-power-struggle-over-josh-hamilton-and-why-rob-manfred-needs-to-do-what-s-right-033607402.html)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on March 10, 2015, 02:58:29 pm
http://deadspin.com/police-reds-prospect-threw-rock-at-girlfriend-knocked-1690553235

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on March 11, 2015, 10:54:56 am
Like it or not, the DH is coming to the NL  (http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015-03-10/national-league-dh-designated-hitter-tony-clark-rob-manfred-david-ortiz-red-sox-jon-lester-cubs)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 11, 2015, 12:16:25 pm
Like it or not, the DH is coming to the NL  (http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015-03-10/national-league-dh-designated-hitter-tony-clark-rob-manfred-david-ortiz-red-sox-jon-lester-cubs)

The one good thing to come of the steroid era.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on March 11, 2015, 01:02:20 pm
God I hope not....

I'm not buying it until it actually happens..

I think the headline is misleading
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 11, 2015, 01:05:11 pm
I think the headline is misleading
I agree with that. I clicked on it thinking there was an actual agreement in place or some news relating to it.

The DL is coming to the NL eventually. We all know this. None of the reasons laid out in that article weren't true this time last year.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 11, 2015, 02:00:17 pm
I'm not so sure.  The important piece of information there was that it wasn't the Union that asked for the discussion.  I don't think Bud Selig ever brought up the DH in the NL idea, though we know the union has brought it up several times.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on March 11, 2015, 04:39:20 pm
so they're going to talk about it? great


Bud Selig is right..its nice to have the two different games... changing things makes no sense...

also, it sure ain't going to help the starting pitchers to have to pitch to a DH instead of a scrub pitcher...in an age where we see more and more pitchers arms being unable to handle the strain and needing tommy john or even multiple tommy johns does this make sense?

i actually think somebody should try having pitchers pitch no more than 3 innings... i think i wrote about that here a few years ago ...

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 11, 2015, 04:43:55 pm
it sure ain't going to help the starting pitchers to have to pitch to a DH instead of a scrub pitcher...in an age where we see more and more pitchers arms being unable to handle the strain and needing tommy john or even multiple tommy johns does this make sense?
That's insanely non-sequitor.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on March 11, 2015, 05:04:58 pm
it sure ain't going to help the starting pitchers to have to pitch to a DH instead of a scrub pitcher...in an age where we see more and more pitchers arms being unable to handle the strain and needing tommy john or even multiple tommy johns does this make sense?
That's insanely non-sequitor.

well my mind is not entirely with this board these days...

but i think it makes sense...if you add a power bat to the lineups the strain on the pitcher going around the order is just going to increase... all other things being equal
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on March 13, 2015, 01:54:07 pm
Tommy John for Darvish.  Buh bye 2015.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on March 30, 2015, 10:12:28 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/03/30/marlo-furniture-will-refund-purchases-if-nationals-and-orioles-meet-in-world-series/
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 01, 2015, 03:08:50 pm
http://deadspin.com/2015-payrolls-and-salaries-for-every-mlb-team-1695040045
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 01, 2015, 07:57:31 pm
This is pretty pathetic  (http://deadspin.com/wrigley-field-has-a-big-jumbotron-now-still-no-bleache-1695115242)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 03, 2015, 12:21:17 pm
No suspension for Hamilton.

The lesson here kids?  Do more coke....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 03, 2015, 12:27:30 pm
The lesson here kids?
Be white and talk about Jesus.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 03, 2015, 12:30:07 pm
Be white and talk about Jesus.

Winner.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 03, 2015, 04:27:59 pm
No suspension for Hamilton.

The lesson here kids?  Do more coke....

 Surprise - the Angels don't want him back  (https://twitter.com/EKayAngels/status/584032511795167232/photo/1)

Angels President John Carpino: "It defies logic that Josh's reported behavior is not a violation of his drug program."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 03, 2015, 04:50:13 pm
Ervin Santana suspended for PEDs - 80 games this time.  The Twins must be stoked.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 03, 2015, 05:11:24 pm
Surprise - the Angels don't want him back  (https://twitter.com/EKayAngels/status/584032511795167232/photo/1)

Do you think it's easy to win 98 games with Hamilton in your lineup?!!  That's why Scioscia won Manager of the Year.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 04, 2015, 07:03:56 pm
Surprise - the Angels don't want him back  (https://twitter.com/EKayAngels/status/584032511795167232/photo/1)

Do you think it's easy to win 98 games with Hamilton in your lineup?!!  That's why Scioscia won Manager of the Year.

it's a pretty ruthless response,. when they signed josh to his lucrative idea, i'm pretty sure the entire world at once asked, "are you sure that's a good idea?". they made their bed, they should shut up and sleep in it and throw their support behind the guy instead of just money.

i'm excited to catch game 2/game 3 this week of the Ms/As series at safeco.  excited to see paxton pitch on tuesday, and see trout for the first time in person. the west should be a fun one again this year, although i'll still spend most of my time watching the al and nl east.

 

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 05, 2015, 01:37:33 pm
it's a pretty ruthless response,. when they signed josh to his lucrative idea, i'm pretty sure the entire world at once asked, "are you sure that's a good idea?". they made their bed, they should shut up and sleep in it and throw their support behind the guy instead of just money.

I think they're most frustrated by the fact that they can't help him.  They can't send him to rehab by the CBA.  They can't suspend him.  They can't do anything.  All because he admitted to it and it wasn't uncovered by a drug test.

They've had a dry club house for the last two years since they signed him.  I hope they don't this year.   
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 05, 2015, 02:30:24 pm
i'm excited to catch game 2/game 3 this week of the Ms/As series at safeco.  excited to see paxton pitch on tuesday, and see trout for the first time in person. the west should be a fun one again this year, although i'll still spend most of my time watching the al and nl east.

I caught Taijuan Walker at the end of my spring training vacation.  He looked like he had the control issues figured out and was pretty dominant.  At least for that day.  AL West should be fun this year - I might even make it up to Seattle for a game or two myself.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 05, 2015, 02:47:31 pm
it's a pretty ruthless response,. when they signed josh to his lucrative idea, i'm pretty sure the entire world at once asked, "are you sure that's a good idea?". they made their bed, they should shut up and sleep in it and throw their support behind the guy instead of just money.

I think they're most frustrated by the fact that they can't help him.  They can't send him to rehab by the CBA.  They can't suspend him.  They can't do anything.  All because he admitted to it and it wasn't uncovered by a drug test.

They've had a dry club house for the last two years since they signed him.  I hope they don't this year.   

i now consider my initial reaction post  the equivalent of an old man shaking his fist, or a hutch post.

i'm excited to catch game 2/game 3 this week of the Ms/As series at safeco.  excited to see paxton pitch on tuesday, and see trout for the first time in person. the west should be a fun one again this year, although i'll still spend most of my time watching the al and nl east.

I caught Taijuan Walker at the end of my spring training vacation.  He looked like he had the control issues figured out and was pretty dominant.  At least for that day.  AL West should be fun this year - I might even make it up to Seattle for a game or two myself.

also excited to see walker in the rotation, but that'll have to wait for a while.  3 game home series then they hit the road.  surprised they slotted him for the 4th roster spot, and then explained as "we wanted to alternate lefties and righties".  is there really any statistics that show alternating like that is beneficial? it always sounds like gypsy talk to me.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 05, 2015, 06:22:51 pm
@Ken_Rosenthal: Hearing Maybin and Quentin going to #Braves. Kimbrel and Melvin Upton to #Padres, per @kileymcd. Likely more involved.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 05, 2015, 06:44:07 pm
My friend who is a hardcore Braves fan went completrly nuts when I texted him that.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on April 06, 2015, 08:33:30 am
That ESPN k zone box is the worst thing ever.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 06, 2015, 11:21:12 am
That ESPN k zone box is the worst thing ever.

that rizzo strikeout was very clearly a ball, and then i saw the k zone box and was confused and turned the game off.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 06, 2015, 12:17:26 pm
My friend who is a hardcore Braves fan went completrly nuts when I texted him that.

I don't know why.  They dumped a really bad contract in Don't Call Me BJ Upton, a closer is useless on a sub-.500 team, and will probably deal Quentin to the AL for another prospect.

In addition, they get a pitching prospect, an outfield prospect, the possibility of Maybin turning it around (he's already better than Melvin Upton and much cheaper) plus the #41 Draft pick this summer.  They no have picks 14, 28, 41, and 54 on day one.  They also have $48m more to spend on free agents in 2016 and 17, plus revenue from the new stadium.

This is a great deal for the Braves - concede 2015 and 2016 to the Nats, and be ready with a strong team for when all of the Boras clients depart. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 06, 2015, 12:19:51 pm
That ESPN k zone box is the worst thing ever.

We can't be too far away from an SAP type toggle for visuals instead of sound.  Want to listen to the game in Spanish - try SAP 2.  Want to turn off the graphics, try VAP 2.... 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 06, 2015, 01:33:08 pm
what is so bad bout the box? is it not correct?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 06, 2015, 01:54:39 pm
Cespedes with a great play to steal a homerun. Actual competent defense in Detroit's outfield? What year is it? How long have I been asleep!?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 06, 2015, 02:10:38 pm
Cespedes with a great play to steal a homerun. Actual competent defense in Detroit's outfield? What year is it? How long have I been asleep!?

Did he hurt himself?

An aside - MLB.TV treating you well?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 06, 2015, 02:22:28 pm
An aside - MLB.TV treating you well?
So far, so good. To be honest, this is my first day actually using it for more than a few minutes. (I don't watch spring training generally.)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 06, 2015, 04:19:09 pm
Mike Trout is on pace for 592 HR's this season.

I'll settle for 10% of that.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 06, 2015, 04:34:51 pm
Mike Trout is on pace for 592 HR's this season.
Cabby will still win the MVP.

(Just kidding.)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 06, 2015, 05:49:11 pm
Bryce Harper on pace to flip his hair 592 times this season.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 06, 2015, 07:55:29 pm
Red Sox extend Porcello.  4 years, $82.5m.

 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 06, 2015, 07:58:54 pm
Red Sox extend Porcello.  4 years, $82.5m.

 
$20mil+ per year? That seems... high.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on April 06, 2015, 09:07:37 pm
mister shit,lord . . .  are you, normal, in this thread?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 06, 2015, 09:09:35 pm
mister shit,lord . . .  are you, normal, in this thread?
What do you mean by "normal"? Are you asking if I'm a regular contributor to this thread or something else?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 07, 2015, 12:08:04 pm
Mike Trout is on pace for 546 strikeouts this season, poised to crush the previous record of 223 set by Mark Reynolds.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 08, 2015, 10:43:44 am
Red Sox extend Porcello.  4 years, $82.5m.

 
$20mil+ per year? That seems... high.

i don't have an opinion on this yet.  it seems way too high and nothing in his stats suggest he deserves it.  am i missing something?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 08, 2015, 10:58:35 am
i don't have an opinion on this yet.  it seems way too high and nothing in his stats suggest he deserves it.  am i missing something?
I sort of feel I'm missing something too. I really like Porcello, but he's a #2/3 guy, he's not a staff's ace. His pitching is highly dependent on groundballs and having competent infield defense. That's worth 20million per? Am I just that out of it as far as what the market is going for for a #2/3 pitcher?

To the deal's credit, he's only 26 so it's not like he's going to age out of this 4 year deal and be far out of his prime in year 3 and 4.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 08, 2015, 12:22:26 pm
You don't think Rick Porcello deserves to be the highest paid pitcher in Red Sox history?

Me neither, and I love the guy.  I've been hoping Anaheim would trade for him or he'd be in Anaheim by next season.  But if that's the going rate for less years/more money deals (they offered less money per year in his 4 year deal), then I'm happy with Heaney, Tropeano and Skaggs.  It does make me wonder what Richards is going to cost though...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 08, 2015, 12:27:30 pm
Nice to see small market teams holding on to their guys.

Pirates extend Josh Harrison 4 years,  $27.5m with two club options for 2019-20.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 08, 2015, 12:28:15 pm
You don't think Rick Porcello deserves to be the highest paid pitcher in Red Sox history?
HOT SPORTS TAKE
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 08, 2015, 12:33:23 pm
HOT SPORTS TAKE

I was going for hyperbole. but yeah.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2015, 01:06:33 pm
last night. turning on the dodgers game on MLB Network.....the mellifluous tones of Vin Scully swam over me.......ahhhhhhhhhhhh...peace...

too bad i only made it three innings
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 08, 2015, 01:27:20 pm
Last night Vinnie Gem: "I'm absolutely amazed about the beards. I can remember when the No. 1 sponsor for the World Series was Gillette."
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 08, 2015, 04:47:51 pm
Tigers are on-pace for their pitching staff to throw 162 combined shutouts this season. Would be a record.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 08, 2015, 06:17:03 pm
Last night Vinnie Gem: "I'm absolutely amazed about the beards. I can remember when the No. 1 sponsor for the World Series was Gillette."

there was also that moment when (i think) joc pederson struck out, and his remark was something along the lines of "joc pederson, who led the team in batting in spring training which we all know means nothing, goes down swinging".
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 08, 2015, 06:19:25 pm
i don't have an opinion on this yet.  it seems way too high and nothing in his stats suggest he deserves it.  am i missing something?
I sort of feel I'm missing something too. I really like Porcello, but he's a #2/3 guy, he's not a staff's ace. His pitching is highly dependent on groundballs and having competent infield defense. That's worth 20million per? Am I just that out of it as far as what the market is going for for a #2/3 pitcher?

To the deal's credit, he's only 26 so it's not like he's going to age out of this 4 year deal and be far out of his prime in year 3 and 4.

friends traded about 15 emails this morning trying to make sense of it.  the best we could come up with is better to lock someone down from 26-30, rather than sign someone to the same deal, same money at 29.  we also sent around the phillies roster and owed salaries for 2015, so that made us feel better.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 08, 2015, 06:20:48 pm
You don't think Rick Porcello deserves to be the highest paid pitcher in Red Sox history?

Me neither, and I love the guy.  I've been hoping Anaheim would trade for him or he'd be in Anaheim by next season.  But if that's the going rate for less years/more money deals (they offered less money per year in his 4 year deal), then I'm happy with Heaney, Tropeano and Skaggs.  It does make me wonder what Richards is going to cost though...

don't you have like 4 years and another tommy john surgery before you have to worry about that?

also, come to seattle for a game and say hi.  we can go to a wine bar or something.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 08, 2015, 06:30:37 pm
friends traded about 15 emails this morning trying to make sense of it.  the best we could come up with is better to lock someone down from 26-30, rather than sign someone to the same deal, same money at 29. 

The age is the only reason why it's even close to fathomable, but shouldn't you at least see him pitch one game in your ballpark or see how he handles the fans and media in Beantown for a little while?  They seem really nice and all....

we also sent around the phillies roster and owed salaries for 2015, so that made us feel better.

This even makes me feel good and I have Pujols and Hamilton.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 08, 2015, 06:35:48 pm
don't you have like 4 years and another tommy john surgery before you have to worry about that?

That's not funny.  I was in Nashville on my way to propose to my fiancee in the Caribbean when he blew his knee out and I nearly called the vacation off.  I drank alone in my room for a night instead...

also, come to seattle for a game and say hi.  we can go to a wine bar or something.

Absolutely.  Right now I'm looking July 10-12 in either Seattle or Colorado.  I'll let you know for sure.  And even I find it sacrilege to drink wine at a baseball game.  I hope they have Olympia!  That's what I drank last night in honor of the Halo's playing the M's.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 08, 2015, 06:58:13 pm
we are a rainier kind of town, but olympia sneaks in here and there.

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: K8teebug on April 09, 2015, 08:30:04 am
Seattle is a great stadium!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 09, 2015, 01:04:51 pm
i got this picture sent to me last night at safeco...

(http://s23.postimg.org/etgsbd3fv/image.jpg)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 09, 2015, 01:10:52 pm
Seattle is a great stadium!

it really is. the first word that comes to my mind is fancy. nice restaurants, great beer, fire pits and couches, wine bars, etc.. i'll probably catch a lot of games there since i'm living a short bikeride away now, and i hope they continue to kind of suck so i can keep getting $10 tickets.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 09, 2015, 01:18:27 pm
i got this picture sent to me last night at safeco...

Gorgeous view!  Is that Oakland across the water there?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 09, 2015, 01:32:12 pm
i got this picture sent to me last night at safeco...

Gorgeous view!  Is that Oakland across the water there?

didn't even notice the view, i was fixated on all that sexy laundry.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 09, 2015, 01:44:30 pm
didn't even notice the view, i was fixated on all that sexy laundry.

I, too, thought was a nice, artistic addition.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 09, 2015, 07:38:36 pm
Tigers gave up an unearned run. Ugh.  ;)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 09, 2015, 07:38:56 pm
didn't even notice the view, i was fixated on all that sexy laundry.

I, too, thought was a nice, artistic addition.
You forgot to log into the Walkie account.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2015, 11:31:26 am
love pedro joining mlb network...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 14, 2015, 11:32:32 am
MLB.TV a Homerun for Baseball (http://www.economist.com/news/business/21647979-baseballs-flourishing-media-division-may-have-outgrown-its-parent-business-home-run)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 14, 2015, 01:23:56 pm
last night though was pretty ridiculous.... harold reynolds and billy ripken pretending to play baseball just went on and on and on...i have no interest in seeing guys in suits playing wiffleball....

i guess i make an exception for pedro
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 14, 2015, 01:43:15 pm
last night though was pretty ridiculous....

MLB.TV is not the same as the MLB Network.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 14, 2015, 02:08:59 pm
last night though was pretty ridiculous....

MLB.TV is not the same as the MLB Network.

yup
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on April 14, 2015, 02:40:31 pm
what are the chances of mlb.tv doing away with its blackout restrictions eventually?

id love to subscribe, and id easily get my moneys worth, but if i cant watch nats game its ultimately pointless for me. shame, cuz i played around with it on the last day of the season last year and loved it. id watch more than just the nats but im not gonna throw down $130 just to have to get my nats fix elsewhere

i know this gets into rights issues that are way over my head, just curious if theres ever been talk of easing blackout restrictions

on a related note, id been using this tunein radio app on my phone to stream day games at work the last few seasons with no problems, but every game ive tried to listen to this year, save for opening day, hasnt been available. most of them i cant hear at all (im mainly trying dc's espn station, but ive tried opposing teams radio networks too, with no success), but one of them cut off after a few innings and never came back. any idea what the deal is there?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 14, 2015, 02:56:53 pm
what are the chances of mlb.tv doing away with its blackout restrictions eventually?
Virtually nil. MLB's bread is buttered by its massive TV deals with local broadcast partners, not what it gets from those of us who buy MLB.tv. Removing blackout restrictions quite literally lowers ratings and therefore what its TV deals are worth.

That said, you should be able to run mlb.tv through a proxy server to spoof being in another part of the country.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 14, 2015, 03:39:43 pm
what are the chances of mlb.tv doing away with its blackout restrictions eventually?
Virtually nil. MLB's bread is buttered by its massive TV deals with local broadcast partners, not what it gets from those of us who buy MLB.tv. Removing blackout restrictions quite literally lowers ratings and therefore what its TV deals are worth.

That said, you should be able to run mlb.tv through a proxy server to spoof being in another part of the country.

mlb.tv was 9% revenue last year (according to vansmacks fancy economist article) and most definitely growing as everyone who lives in the 21st century continues to convert over to streaming services. 

i wouldn't say virtually nil, i could see a situation where you pay extra to avoid blackout dates.

it's a big problem for me when it comes to playoffs.  had to resort to other streams to get the games.

and workarounds (running through proxys) are pretty simple.  i'll probably wait until midseason discount to buy mlb.tv this year, unless a friend decides they want to split it with me.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 14, 2015, 06:29:53 pm
mlb.tv was 9% revenue last year

i wouldn't say virtually nil, i could see a situation where you pay extra to avoid blackout dates.

Just a quick clarification - MLBAM, not MLB.TV was 9% of MLB's central office revenue.  That includes all the money they make from streaming ESPN, HBO, PlayStation, WWE, etc. among a handful of others that they handle streaming for.  This means it's becoming a larger chunk of revenue MLB negotiates, but it's not even close to eclipsing the national broadcast revenue (Fox Saturday, ESPN Mon/Wed night baseball, and the playoffs.

The local TV revenue is negotiated and kept by the team (save for MLB's revenue sharing plan, which I don't need to explain here).  That combined is far larger than the MLB National Broadcast dollars.  There is no way local broadcasters are going to give up those rights for streaming.  You may see the National Broadcasts come to MLB.TV someday and maybe those blackouts removed as MLB controls that (though Fox will want to have a say), but the local blackout of of your home team is here to stay for the duration of at least your local TV deal, so don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 15, 2015, 01:42:15 am
mlb.tv was 9% revenue last year

i wouldn't say virtually nil, i could see a situation where you pay extra to avoid blackout dates.

Just a quick clarification - MLBAM, not MLB.TV was 9% of MLB's central office revenue.  That includes all the money they make from streaming ESPN, HBO, PlayStation, WWE, etc. among a handful of others that they handle streaming for.  This means it's becoming a larger chunk of revenue MLB negotiates, but it's not even close to eclipsing the national broadcast revenue (Fox Saturday, ESPN Mon/Wed night baseball, and the playoffs.

The local TV revenue is negotiated and kept by the team (save for MLB's revenue sharing plan, which I don't need to explain here).  That combined is far larger than the MLB National Broadcast dollars.  There is no way local broadcasters are going to give up those rights for streaming.  You may see the National Broadcasts come to MLB.TV someday and maybe those blackouts removed as MLB controls that (though Fox will want to have a say), but the local blackout of of your home team is here to stay for the duration of at least your local TV deal, so don't hold your breath.

ah, that makes more sense.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 16, 2015, 09:25:30 am
My thoughts that the Tigers were going to be extremely mediocre may have been misguided. If Greene continues to look this good and Simon this competent to shore up the rotation, and you add that lineup (that can actually run and play defense for once) . . . look out.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 16, 2015, 11:53:36 am
You can't earn a playoff spot in April, you can only lose one.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 16, 2015, 12:07:52 pm
My thoughts that the Tigers were going to be extremely mediocre may have been misguided. If Greene continues to look this good and Simon this competent to shore up the rotation, and you add that lineup (that can actually run and play defense for once) . . . look out.

do i want to pick up greene in my fantasy league or is he gonna give up 12 runs next start?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 16, 2015, 12:15:49 pm
do i want to pick up greene in my fantasy league or is he gonna give up 12 runs next start?
I have no idea about any of that fantasy junk. I don't think he's going to throw shutouts every start, obviously. He has impressed so far this season.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 16, 2015, 12:44:11 pm
I have no idea about any of that fantasy junk. I don't think he's going to throw shutouts every start, obviously. He has impressed so far this season.

That does not sound like my glowing Garrett Richards endorsement from last season, which, frankly, I don't think I received enough credit for.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 16, 2015, 01:02:10 pm
Careful, you might sprain your shoulder reaching around to pat yourself on the back there, Smackie.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 16, 2015, 05:45:02 pm
Careful, you might sprain your shoulder reaching around to pat yourself on the back there, Smackie.

That's why I always use my right arm to pat myself on the back. I never use my pitching arm.

God, I can't keep giving you these free lessons so quit screwin' around and help me up.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 16, 2015, 10:50:05 pm
I have no idea about any of that fantasy junk. I don't think he's going to throw shutouts every start, obviously. He has impressed so far this season.

That does not sound like my glowing Garrett Richards endorsement from last season, which, frankly, I don't think I received enough credit for.

i was going to send a surprise edible arrangement on our one year anniversary but with that attitude i  don't think you deserve it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 17, 2015, 09:05:25 am
i was going to send a surprise edible arrangement on our one year anniversary but with that attitude i  don't think you deserve it.
Can we please do a TAN thread about how Edible Arrangements is the stupidest, most backhandedly eff you gift ever? NO ONE EATS THE DAMN THING and it gets thrown away after two weeks completely untouched. Total waste of money. Will someone indulge me in this conversation?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 17, 2015, 12:14:26 pm
i was going to send a surprise edible arrangement on our one year anniversary but with that attitude i  don't think you deserve it.
Can we please do a TAN thread about how Edible Arrangements is the stupidest, most backhandedly eff you gift ever? NO ONE EATS THE DAMN THING and it gets thrown away after two weeks completely untouched. Total waste of money. Will someone indulge me in this conversation?

i'll send you one if you send me one and then i'll entertain this conversation.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 17, 2015, 12:19:58 pm
i was going to send a surprise edible arrangement on our one year anniversary but with that attitude i  don't think you deserve it.
Can we please do a TAN thread about how Edible Arrangements is the stupidest, most backhandedly eff you gift ever? NO ONE EATS THE DAMN THING and it gets thrown away after two weeks completely untouched. Total waste of money. Will someone indulge me in this conversation?

i'll send you one if you send me one and then i'll entertain this conversation.
Why don't we just cut out the middle man and each set $60 on fire and skip the part where we take the thing out to the dumpster?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 17, 2015, 01:01:34 pm
i was going to send a surprise edible arrangement on our one year anniversary but with that attitude i  don't think you deserve it.
Can we please do a TAN thread about how Edible Arrangements is the stupidest, most backhandedly eff you gift ever? NO ONE EATS THE DAMN THING and it gets thrown away after two weeks completely untouched. Total waste of money. Will someone indulge me in this conversation?

if you're not willing to
i'll send you one if you send me one and then i'll entertain this conversation.
Why don't we just cut out the middle man and each set $60 on fire and skip the part where we take the thing out to the dumpster?

true story: i had a really nice roommate in college whos dad worked at a major airline.  since i flew to/from school, he would hook me up with cheap standby tickets all the time.  i truly appreciated it, and sent his family an edible arrangement as a thank you. 

granted i was 18, 19, 20 years old when i did this, but looking back, i really thought i was doing something nice to show my appreciation. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 17, 2015, 01:03:52 pm
I mean, it's the thought that counts, absolutely. But it is a terrible gift. We get one a month at work from vendors and the things are literally never touched.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 17, 2015, 01:05:42 pm
I mean, it's the thought that counts, absolutely. But it is a terrible gift. We get one a month at work from vendors and the things are literally never touched.

i wouldn't buy shit from those vendors.

disqualifed bid: sends too many edible arrangments.  fiscally irresponsible.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 17, 2015, 03:35:24 pm
I mean, it's the thought that counts, absolutely. But it is a terrible gift. We get one a month at work from vendors and the things are literally never touched.

There's one in my fridge here at the office and it's been there all week.  One piece of fruit is gone. #truestory
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 17, 2015, 03:37:01 pm
i was going to send a surprise edible arrangement on our one year anniversary but with that attitude i  don't think you deserve it.

It's a keeper league, right?  I will extract one glass of alcohol a year from you, for every year you reap the rewards from the Angels ace, but only in person.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 17, 2015, 03:57:51 pm
I know no one else was probably watching the Tigers/White Sox game, but Ventura should literally be fired for not challenging that call.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 17, 2015, 04:03:16 pm
Chris Bryant has 3 strikeouts and the game isn't even over yet. Point is, he sucks at baseball.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 17, 2015, 04:05:57 pm
Chris Bryant has 3 strikeouts and the game isn't even over yet. Point is, he sucks at baseball.

I am shocked that Maddon gave his rookie the clean up spot on his MLB debut.  Maddon deserves what he has gotten for that decision.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 17, 2015, 04:20:05 pm
I know no one else was probably watching the Tigers/White Sox game, but Ventura should literally be fired for not challenging that call.

i was following the game track and saw a picture... yikes.

detroit looking nasty, even w/o vmart. 

enjoy yoenis.  you'll get 3 strikeouts per game, which makes him the worst baseball player ever, on par with kris bryant and bryce harper, but every now and then he'll pretty much win a game for you by himself. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 17, 2015, 04:21:37 pm
i was going to send a surprise edible arrangement on our one year anniversary but with that attitude i  don't think you deserve it.

It's a keeper league, right?  I will extract one glass of alcohol a year from you, for every year you reap the rewards from the Angels ace, but only in person.

it's not a full dynasty league.  he wasn't one of my 7 keepers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 17, 2015, 04:39:41 pm
enjoy yoenis.  you'll get 3 strikeouts per game, which makes him the worst baseball player ever, on par with kris bryant and bryce harper, but every now and then he'll pretty much win a game for you by himself. 

I've seen him win an entire series.  In person.  I'm glad he's no longer in the AL West.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 17, 2015, 04:47:50 pm
i was following the game track and saw a picture... yikes.
I mean, I'm a Tigers fan and even I'll admit he was out. To not even challenge it, when you still have a challenge, IN THE BOTTOM OF THE NINTH?! I mean, that is just pure dereliction of duties.

detroit looking nasty, even w/o vmart. 
I knew the lineup would be pretty good but the pitching staff is so far ahead of even the rosiest projections it's crazy.

enjoy yoenis.  you'll get 3 strikeouts per game, which makes him the worst baseball player ever, on par with kris bryant and bryce harper, but every now and then he'll pretty much win a game for you by himself. 
Point is, he sucks at baseball.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 17, 2015, 09:56:59 pm
Mike Trout,  at age 23,  the youngest player ever with 100 101 HR's and 100 Stolen Bases. 

I think he's going to be pretty good.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 18, 2015, 09:36:26 am
Mike Trout,  at age 23,  the youngest player ever with 100 101 HR's and 100 Stolen Bases. 

I think he's going to be pretty good.
agreed!
unlike that harper fella...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 19, 2015, 01:45:15 pm
enjoy yoenis.  you'll get 3 strikeouts per game, which makes him the worst baseball player ever, on par with kris bryant and bryce harper, but every now and then he'll pretty much win a game for you by himself. 

I've seen him win an entire series.  In person.  I'm glad he's no longer in the AL West.

well the detroit game is already over.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 19, 2015, 01:46:27 pm
i think at the same moment cespedes hit his grand slam, porcello gave up a two-run shot to adam jones.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 19, 2015, 03:21:36 pm
how does everyone stream mlb.tv? this may have been covered but i'm struggling with the mlb.tv interface and tabcasting with chrome. i'm trying to watch two games at once, but to do it, i take away all the functionality that mlb.tv offers (scoreboard, toggle between viewing modes, etc).
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 19, 2015, 03:36:54 pm
i think at the same moment cespedes hit his grand slam, porcello gave up a two-run shot to adam jones.
Yeah, we are good with that trade officially. We'll keep him. No disrespect to Porcello who I still think is massive underrated (albeit apparently overpaid) but Cespedes really fit the Tigers needs. Too many years with beer league softball defense and no speed.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 19, 2015, 03:58:26 pm
Shane Greene might actually be legit. If Dombrowski saw something that no one else did, well, give that guy a raise.

Spicyweiner, I only use the phone app and TiVo program never the real site. I'm not ignoring your query selfishly and would love to answer your question but smackie is probably more familiar with the way you're using it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 19, 2015, 06:03:25 pm
i think at the same moment cespedes hit his grand slam, porcello gave up a two-run shot to adam jones.
Yeah, we are good with that trade officially. We'll keep him. No disrespect to Porcello who I still think is massive underrated (albeit apparently overpaid) but Cespedes really fit the Tigers needs. Too many years with beer league softball defense and no speed.

as much as i wanted to keep cespedes, the trade made fine sense for the sox.  the logjam in the outfield is ridiculous... rusney castillo, mookie betts, and hanley ramirez should be the outfield for the next few years, and what do we do with victorino, allen craig, and jackie bradley jr?  and david ortiz is turding it up in the DH spot daily, so we can't even rotate these guys in at all.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 19, 2015, 06:07:31 pm
Spicyweiner, I only use the phone app and TiVo program never the real site. I'm not ignoring your query selfishly and would love to answer your question but smackie is probably more familiar with the way you're using it.

the app is great but as far as i can tell, there's no option to choose to watch 2 games at once. does that sound right?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 23, 2015, 10:38:34 am
Nathan out for year (UCL)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 23, 2015, 10:44:43 am
Nathan out for year (UCL)
He was uniformly terrible in his Tigers tenure. Good riddance.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 23, 2015, 10:53:01 am
Out for the year?  He probably just unwillingly retired....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 23, 2015, 10:54:36 am
Out for the year?  He probably just unwillingly retired....
He did leave his rehab start with an apparent injury. I don't believe they're making up a UCL injury.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 23, 2015, 12:06:20 pm
He did leave his rehab start with an apparent injury. I don't believe they're making up a UCL injury.

I was referring to the idea that that he likely never pitches in the bigs again.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 23, 2015, 12:06:59 pm
He did leave his rehab start with an apparent injury. I don't believe they're making up a UCL injury.

I was referring to the idea that that he likely never pitches in the bigs again.
Oh, yes. I misunderstood and thought you were being snarky.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 24, 2015, 12:17:38 am
Yordano Ventura is batshit.  I love it!

Also. my kind of box score:

       R H E
OAK 0 8 1
ANA 2 1 0
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on April 24, 2015, 12:49:23 pm
Yordano Ventura is batshit.  I love it!

KC is can't-miss television right about now. scary good and fucking insane.

dyson's 1st-to-home last night was the best.

http://m.mlb.com/video/v86783383/kccws-hosmer-smokes-rbi-double-for-lead-in-the-13th/?affiliateId=clubMEGAMENU
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 24, 2015, 03:06:05 pm
Supposedly the Angels and Hamilton have agreed a buyout to end his participation with the team.  He would become a free agent.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 24, 2015, 03:12:11 pm
Who takes a flier on him at this point?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 24, 2015, 03:22:37 pm
Who takes a flier on him at this point?

All depends on the cost.  He'd probably take a huge reduction on a one year deal given that Anaheim is going to pay him something and to market himself for a long term deal (a la Nelson Cruz last season).

The more worrying question for me is what affect this has on Anaheim's ability to sign free agents in the future.  Players are loyal to other players...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 24, 2015, 06:16:41 pm
Who takes a flier on him at this point?

I'll take the Rangers for $1000, Alex.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 24, 2015, 07:03:37 pm
Prince Fielder and Josh Hamiliton. Ok there, Rangers. . .
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 24, 2015, 07:45:45 pm
Prince Fielder and Josh Hamiliton. Ok there, Rangers. . .

Anaheim is paying $68m of the $83m he's owed.  No idea what Anaheim received in return.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 26, 2015, 10:59:41 am
Rosenthal:

Sources: Expectation is that #STLCards? Wainwright is done for season with Achilles injury. Has not yet undergone MRI.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 26, 2015, 03:41:58 pm
Rosenthal:

Sources: Expectation is that #STLCards? Wainwright is done for season with Achilles injury. Has not yet undergone MRI.

Major bummer.  Huge blow to STL too....

On the brightside,  it's not an arm, but I can hear the calls for the DH already...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Kubacheck on April 26, 2015, 05:39:05 pm
Rosenthal:

Sources: Expectation is that #STLCards? Wainwright is done for season with Achilles injury. Has not yet undergone MRI.

Major bummer.  Huge blow to STL too....

On the brightside,  it's not an arm, but I can hear the calls for the DH already...

yeah, as soon as I heard he injured himself while hitting, that was the first thought that crossed my mind..... Wainwright is a big enough name (read: making enough money) that this could effect a rules change, whereas if it had happened to the Brewers 10th pitcher, nobody would care.... kinda like football where they had the OT sudden death rules for 40 years until Peyton Manning lost a playoff OT game on a FG without being able to take a snap.... suddenly, new OT rules!!!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 26, 2015, 07:40:47 pm
The idea of instituting a DH in the NL is blasphemy to me.. the game is just fine the way it is.. one league has it the other doesn't.....

sad about Wainwright though.....but that injury could have happened running off the mound too..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on April 26, 2015, 10:18:02 pm
The idea of instituting a DH in the NL is blasphemy to me.. the game is just fine the way it is.. one league has it the other doesn't.....

sad about Wainwright though.....but that injury could have happened running off the mound too..

Yeah, well....

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12769662/max-scherzer-injured-batting-advocates-designated-hitter-rule-national-league
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on April 26, 2015, 10:42:59 pm
If they went the way of t-ball they would not have to worry about those over paid pitchers in the first pace!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 26, 2015, 10:46:02 pm
The idea of instituting a DH in the NL is blasphemy to me.. the game is just fine the way it is.. one league has it the other doesn't.....

sad about Wainwright though.....but that injury could have happened running off the mound too..

Yeah, well....

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12769662/max-scherzer-injured-batting-advocates-designated-hitter-rule-national-league

I'm sure most pitchers would rather not bat if given the choice....I'm not sure what it proves though...

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 27, 2015, 06:04:32 pm
Anaheim is paying $68m of the $83m he's owed.  No idea what Anaheim received in return.

$80,486,339: Money left on Josh Hamilton's contract through today

$67,486,339: Money Anaheim will pay over the next 3 years
$7,000,000: Money the Rangers will pay over the next 3 years
$6,000,000: Money Josh "forwent," which is actually just revenue the state of CA loses in income tax

He also has an opt clause after two years - not sure what Anaheim would be on the hook for in that scenario.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2015, 06:09:55 pm
hard to believe that was a good deal for the Angels.... I'd rather just pay him not to play I think...I mean they're going to pay him now to play against them?


I can see the DH being imposed league wide but not because of one or two pitchers getting injured running or batting

the twin problems of lack of offense -baseball losing people- and pitchers blowing out their arms, though, requires different solutions and i'm not sure baseball will do anything
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 27, 2015, 07:21:00 pm
Brandon McCarthy out for the year for the Dodgers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 27, 2015, 07:34:29 pm
hard to believe that was a good deal for the Angels.... I'd rather just pay him not to play I think...I mean they're going to pay him now to play against them?

The only deal worse than the deal out the door was the deal that brought him in the door.

The Players Association wouldn't let the Angels keep him in the minors all season and would file a grievance if they used a spot on the 25 man roster and sat him for three years (not to mention the clubhouse distraction).  There was never any chemistry between Josh and the Angels management, and it's been a problem from day one that kept getting progressively worse.  The final straw was when he waited until February to have his shoulder surgery, to be honest.  The drug relapse the same weekend as his surgery was just icing on the cake that gave the Angels an out. 

They had a deal to send him to the Diamondbacks but Hamilton vetoed it - he wanted to be back in Texas to be near his kids and handle his divorce - which also came out of that surgery/Coke filled weekend.  The Angels had two options: Eat all of the salary and release him or get $13m back from Texas and move him on.  If they kept him, they'd have to play him.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on April 27, 2015, 07:47:47 pm
I hope they do NOT bring the DH to the NL.  On the contrary I hope they get rid of it in the AL.  I am not too fond of gimmick rules in sports.  IMHO pitchers ought to bat and if they gave a damn they would take batting practice to get better at it like all other players.  The fact that pitcher pitch is irrelevant.  Outfielders need to have a good arm to gun down a runner.  If you are going to DH for a pitcher why not just have an entire offensive and defense squad?

The shoot out in the NHL and the penalty kicks in professional kick ball (oops I mean soccer) are similar gimmick rules.  Either play the spot to the end or be OK with the fact that some games will end in a tie.  Some of the best hockey games I have ever watched ended up as a 0-0 tie.

I particularly do not like the shoot outs in the NHL where they mysteriously create an additional point for OT games.  Every regular season game should carry the same weight in the season long standings.  The only reason the NHL did this is so the casual non-fan would watch the games and see an 'exciting' play.  (IOW its all about the money.)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 27, 2015, 07:59:46 pm
I hope they do NOT bring the DH to the NL.  On the contrary I hope they get rid of it in the AL. 

It will never leave the American league.  Too much money in DH salaries for the for the Players Association to get rid of it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: RatBastard on April 27, 2015, 08:09:16 pm
I hope they do NOT bring the DH to the NL.  On the contrary I hope they get rid of it in the AL. 

It will never leave the American league.  Too much money in DH salaries for the for the Players Association to get rid of it.


You are absolutely 100% right and most probably it will end up in the NL as well.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 28, 2015, 09:26:08 am

The Players Association wouldn't let the Angels keep him in the minors all season and would file a grievance if they used a spot on the 25 man roster and sat him for three years (not to mention the clubhouse distraction). 

If they kept him, they'd have to play him.

wow.I had no idea.

I guess then they did the best they could...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on April 28, 2015, 09:29:00 am
its just stupid.. if the problem in baseball is lack of offense then make a change so that there is more offense.. not just bring in the DH to the NL

I think they should look at things like the pitchers mound height and distance to the plate from the mound...

I'm more worried about all the pitchers' needing Tommy John surgery
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 28, 2015, 12:51:46 pm
Kirk Gibson diagnosed with Parkinson's.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Kubacheck on April 28, 2015, 04:34:40 pm
O's-White Sox playing 2pm game tomorrow, CLOSED to the public..... also, upcoming series against Tampa switched to the Trop, but apparently the O's will still be the home team.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on April 28, 2015, 05:05:02 pm
O's-White Sox playing 2pm game tomorrow, CLOSED to the public..... also, upcoming series against Tampa switched to the Trop, but apparently the O's will still be the home team.....

Tomorrow's game will be good practice for playing at the Trop, which is empty on a regualr basis.

On the plus side, the O's get the revenue, though it won't be much.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 11, 2015, 09:46:02 am
Brad Ausmus is fucking terrible.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 13, 2015, 06:04:56 pm
Halo's extend Huston Street, 2 years/$18m with an option for 2018.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 16, 2015, 02:32:47 pm
I tuned in literally 2 seconds before Miggy's 400th HR. So glad I caught it. I know, I know "HR totals post steroid era". . . It's still real to me, goddamnit!
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Space Freely on May 16, 2015, 09:21:37 pm
Kscey Musgraves? The Jacksons? An Etch a Sketch?  A cowboy hat? A retro lunch box?  A DJ kitty kat face bag? I'm going to go with the Rays having the best promo schedule.

http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/schedule/promotions.jsp?c_id=tb

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 19, 2015, 12:05:21 pm
The Marlins experiment is fascinating to me.  I think Jennings fails miserably, but don't confuse that with me hoping he succeeds.  I just don't think he will...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 19, 2015, 12:37:59 pm
It's one of those things that just seems on its face as a 99% chance its a miserable tire-fire.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 21, 2015, 10:13:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Cy0asMt.jpg)
How the entirety of this article isn't literally:

PEDs, obviously.

. . .is beyond me.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 21, 2015, 04:02:45 pm
Let's hear it for that Tigers bullpen.  ::)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on May 21, 2015, 04:08:33 pm
anybody notice those ads on ESPN called "Rule 661" all about AROD?? Seems like they are MLB ads... I'm surprised they are using him in  promo ads for baseball....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 21, 2015, 04:42:59 pm
Bumgarner just went yard off Kershaw.  :D
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on May 22, 2015, 10:39:12 am
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1262799747884183656.jpg)

Andrew McCutchen's pay stub
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 23, 2015, 12:55:18 pm
Also good at sliding and stealing third base.

(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images//visual/whatshot/Trout-slide-sorcery-052215.gif)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on May 23, 2015, 03:56:18 pm
a little while ago I watched the Yankees give up TEN runs to the Rangers in the third inning
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Kubacheck on May 23, 2015, 07:06:33 pm
a little while ago I watched the Yankees give up TEN runs to the Rangers in the third inning

If someone could put it on a loop, I watch that over and over.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 25, 2015, 08:00:00 pm
Josh Hamilton 0-3, with 2Ks.

Still a  bargain for the Rangers.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Kubacheck on May 25, 2015, 08:02:15 pm
Josh Hamilton 0-3, with 2Ks.

Still a  bargain for the Rangers.

yeah, when someone else is paying almost your entire salary, that's almost always a bargain.... especially when you're gonna get the chance to beat them multiple times the rest of your tenure.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 27, 2015, 12:20:17 pm
yeah, when someone else is paying almost your entire salary, that's almost always a bargain.... especially when you're gonna get the chance to beat them multiple times the rest of your tenure.....

Unless, you're paying them to have him in their lineup to actually hurt their team:

0-4, 1K.  Now 0-2 with RISP.

(I don't actually believe this, mind you, and I would have traded him to the Astros if I this were the case)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 27, 2015, 01:00:17 pm
Mets trade OF Kirk Nieuwenhuis to Angels for cash considerations.

I'm not going to lie - my first response was "Who?"
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Kubacheck on May 27, 2015, 05:16:30 pm
yeah, when someone else is paying almost your entire salary, that's almost always a bargain.... especially when you're gonna get the chance to beat them multiple times the rest of your tenure.....

Unless, you're paying them to have him in their lineup to actually hurt their team:

0-4, 1K.  Now 0-2 with RISP.

(I don't actually believe this, mind you, and I would have traded him to the Astros if I this were the case)

there might be some kernel of truth in this.... I don't think they would've traded him within the division unless they thought he was pretty much done, kinda like the Eagles trading McNabb to the Redskins.... the Eagles ended up being right, guess we'll get a chance to see if the Angels were.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on May 30, 2015, 02:26:10 pm
Those two home runs Hamilton hit at home last night are two more HRs than Hamilton in Anaheim in ALL of last season.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 01, 2015, 04:16:12 pm
At 26-25, the tie for first is the worst record to lead the AL East on June 1 in the history of the division.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: hutch on June 01, 2015, 04:58:53 pm
two things:

kind of looks like Hamilton was tanking with the Angels to get out of there...either that or he's back on the juice...

the clip of Ausmus and Price next to each other after Jobba blew the lead was priceless...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 04, 2015, 12:56:26 pm
Hamilton out a month (hamstring).  Still being paid by Anaheim.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on June 04, 2015, 01:23:35 pm
this was a great article about harper, trout, and pederson on their swing and approach: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mike-trout-bryce-harper-and-joc-pederson-on-the-top-hand/

watching joc pederson turn on a baseball reminds me of that beautiful griffey swing.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 04, 2015, 01:30:10 pm
joc pederson

Was I the only one who was shocked last season when Joc Pederson was called to find out he was was white?

Reggie Cleveland All Star for sure....

Now I'm going to read your article.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 04, 2015, 01:49:04 pm
Fantastic information, though the inclusion of Joc is bit premature.

I used "The Making of a Hitter (http://www.amazon.com/The-Making-Hitter-Jim-Lefebvre/dp/096027720X)" by Jim Lefebvre to make my swing, and still recommend it to kids, though after reading this there have been a ton of advances since that book came out.  The ability to analyze swings with modern technology has changed everything. 

I was (and suppose still am) a strong left hand over top hitter (I'm a lefty/lefty) who was pure bat speed as I have very little upper body strength.  My bat speed through the zone was much faster than it should have been though, which produced a surprising amount of pop.  This has made me an absolutely horrendous golfer, though - too fast through the swing and too much push with my left (follow) hand.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 04, 2015, 02:19:20 pm
I modeled my baseball around Chad Harbach's excellent The Art Of Fielding (http://www.amazon.com/Art-Fielding-Novel-Chad-Harbach/dp/0316126675/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433441900&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Art+Of+Fielding&pebp=1433441906983&perid=0MJS8ZVJBA8KJA27VWR8). Unfortunately, the character that drank all of his girlfriend's dead (gay) father's scotch resonated more with me than the elite shortstop.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 04, 2015, 07:57:02 pm
Somehow I missed Trumbo being dealt to Seattle yesterday.  Good pickup for them, but he is just like every other 1B/OF/DH that hasn't worked for them.  Low OBP and AVG, but a good number of solo HRs. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on June 06, 2015, 11:57:50 am
Sitting in the box seats at the O's the other day I was saying that I'm surprised they haven't had more accidents and put up netting like the NHL.  I think that will happen now.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on June 07, 2015, 02:26:36 pm
joc pederson
Was I the only one who was shocked last season when Joc Pederson was called to find out he was was white?

a scrappy white boy, nonetheless!

Fantastic information, though the inclusion of Joc is bit premature.

also agree, fangraphs has been drooling over him since the end of last season so it's really no surprise.

Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2015, 02:55:58 am
Last night's Vinnie Gem:

Vin Scully on the Normandy Landings of 1944.  And fans running on to the field. (http://m.mlb.com/video/v148522683/stllad-scully-on-the-normandy-landings-of-1944)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2015, 07:46:21 pm
Anybody else following the draft tracker and watching College Baseball?  Prolly not....

Shortstops go 1,2 and 3 with 4 in the top 10.  Strange.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2015, 08:49:54 pm
I'm not sure what's weirder...that the Atlanta Braves have been using Nick Markakis as their cleanup hitter, or that they've continued using his as their cleanup hitter in spite of him having ZERO home runs (and a .369 slugging pct) 56 games into their season.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 10, 2015, 08:53:46 am
A no-hitter with no walks but three HBPs is one of the weirdest statistical abnormalities in a while.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 16, 2015, 11:51:10 am
The Cardinals are in BIG trouble.  HUGE.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 16, 2015, 12:05:07 pm
The Cardinals are in BIG trouble.  HUGE.
Fascinating story.

It'll be real interesting to see the amount of vitrol and coverage compared to deflategate considering one is an actual landmark scandal by a beloved team and one is complete nonsense by a hated program. Prepare to see some interesting mental gymnastics from idiots everywhere.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 16, 2015, 12:07:15 pm
Fascinating story.

It does explain how those player notes were leaked a few years ago....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 16, 2015, 12:08:43 pm
Fascinating story.

It does explain how those player notes were leaked a few years ago....
Well aren't they saying that leak is what predicated the investigation?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 16, 2015, 12:12:06 pm
The deadspin story comments are absolute gold. Some highlights:

Quote
I?m sure that it?s just a big misunderstanding. Jesus probably just wanted access to some of the Astros? proprietary religious player data and asked his duly designated representatives on Earth, the St. Louis Cardinals organization, to take care of getting it for Him. Jesus could never want the Cards to do anything wrong.

Quote
The Cardinals built that network from the ground up. Really a class organization. The Astros bought their network. No values in the ball club, probably why they got hacked. Cardinals did it the right way.

Quote
?The Cardinal Way?

Ask any person in St. Louis to define ?the Cardinal Way,? and they will tell you that it?s a style of hacking that both pays homage to and respects the fundamentals of breaching computer security dating back to when the opposing team began digitally storing scouting reports within data networks in 1994. The style of hacking is described in phrases like ?password cracking? and ?brute force attacks.?

For any player scouted by opposing teams, the Cardinal Way is an 86 page handbook that outlines exploitation of each teams databases in areas ranging from vulnerability scanners to packet analyzers, spoofing attacks and computer worms, as well as the manner in which the Cardinals cyber scouts should conduct themselves on ?the ?Net.?

From a business standpoint, the handbook defines the organizational philosophy, a philosophy that places a greater emphasis on misappropriating digital scouting records and player transaction information from opposing teams than on generating home grown data from within the Cardinals organization. It?s the Cardinal Way.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 16, 2015, 12:15:31 pm
Well aren't they saying that leak is what predicated the investigation?

Exactly.  I mean, it's comical that their former employee used his same password in an elevated role with his new organization, but it's still going to land them in a ton of trouble.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 16, 2015, 12:23:43 pm
Well aren't they saying that leak is what predicated the investigation?

Exactly.  I mean, it's comical that their former employee used his same password in an elevated role with his new organization, but it's still going to land them in a ton of trouble.
Agreed on the password security. *facepalm*

Here's my question: from the looks of the initial report, MLB asked for this investigation. They had to think it was someone outside baseball, right? If there's any scintilla of a thought it could be another team behind it, there's NO WAY they ask the FBI to get involved, right? This could go down as the final Bud Selig dramabomb he left behind to detonate (unintentionally) once he was out the door.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 23, 2015, 01:34:10 am
Albert Pujols is on an incredible tear right now.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 24, 2015, 12:31:22 am
Mad Bum's walk-up music is Sturgill Simpson's "Living the Dream".  At this point it's virtually impossible for me to hate him. 
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on June 24, 2015, 01:40:24 am
Albert Pujols is on an incredible tear right now.

it's albert fucking pujols. i'm not gonna sugar coat this too much because he is 35 and signed through 2022 and you're a realist, but he's the best hitter since barry bonds.  the past 2 years have been an unbelievably steep decline from what we would expect.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 24, 2015, 12:01:06 pm
he's the best hitter since barry bonds.  the past 2 years have been an unbelievably steep decline from what we would expect.

Even knowing that, he's never had 15 homers with 30 RBIs in a 24-game stretch in his career.  Probably most importantly, he's only struck out 5 times in that stretch.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on June 24, 2015, 06:03:26 pm
he's the best hitter since barry bonds.  the past 2 years have been an unbelievably steep decline from what we would expect.

Even knowing that, he's never had 15 homers with 30 RBIs in a 24-game stretch in his career.  Probably most importantly, he's only struck out 5 times in that stretch.

so, how many quality years do you expect to still get out of him?
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 24, 2015, 06:22:49 pm
so, how many quality years do you expect to still get out of him?

I thought he was a bit overlooked last year - most people don't realize that he finished in the top 20 of AL MVP Voting.

The start of this season, teams were walking Trout to face Pujols, but they're not any longer.  That seems to have lit a fire in Albert.

I'll say through 2018, as he'll benefit from hitting behind Baseball Jesus.  Then he's just chasing records and selling tickets.  The Angels do have a ten year personal services contract with him after that, so I won't be surprised if he's the hitting coach for years to come.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 24, 2015, 09:36:14 pm
I had no dog in the fight, but the Rays/Jays game I attended today may have been the most exciting MLB game I've ever attended.

And sadly, my wife actually loved Tropicana Field.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: stevewizzle on June 24, 2015, 09:45:26 pm
so, how many quality years do you expect to still get out of him?

I thought he was a bit overlooked last year - most people don't realize that he finished in the top 20 of AL MVP Voting.

The start of this season, teams were walking Trout to face Pujols, but they're not any longer.  That seems to have lit a fire in Albert.

I'll say through 2018, as he'll benefit from hitting behind Baseball Jesus.  Then he's just chasing records and selling tickets.  The Angels do have a ten year personal services contract with him after that, so I won't be surprised if he's the hitting coach for years to come.

he quietly had a great year last year.  hell, he could pull a david ortiz, find a steroid that goes undetected, and DH effectively through the entirety of his contract.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 25, 2015, 09:47:29 am
I had no dog in the fight, but the Rays/Jays game I attended today may have been the most exciting MLB game I've ever attended.

And sadly, my wife actually loved Tropicana Field.

Wow, you were there for that?  Quite the pitchers duel - I turned it on in the 5th when he was perfect....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on June 25, 2015, 10:05:44 am
Albert Pujols is on an incredible tear right now.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mlb-albert-pujols-home-runs-los-angeles-angels-2015/
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 26, 2015, 11:53:36 am
I had no dog in the fight, but the Rays/Jays game I attended today may have been the most exciting MLB game I've ever attended.

And sadly, my wife actually loved Tropicana Field.

Wow, you were there for that?  Quite the pitchers duel - I turned it on in the 5th when he was perfect....

Yep, that was it.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 26, 2015, 11:56:33 am
At 26-25, the tie for first is the worst record to lead the AL East on June 1 in the history of the division.

And just 25 days later, the AL East has four teams  four or more games above .500, is +12 overall for W/L, and +115 on overal run differential.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 27, 2015, 08:51:46 pm
An errant Angels warmup throw between innings just concussed Robinsons Cano.  #because,Seattle

Also, they?re the most consistent .500 team, going 5-5 in their last 10, 10-10 in their past 20 and 15-15 in their last 30.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on June 28, 2015, 12:42:29 pm
An errant Angels warmup throw between innings just concussed Robinsons Cano.  #because,Seattle

Also, they?re the most consistent .500 team, going 5-5 in their last 10, 10-10 in their past 20 and 15-15 in their last 30.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--8_EcXalo--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1316397359441161576.gif)
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Kubacheck on June 28, 2015, 01:52:53 pm
^^^ Jesus, look how far back (and fast) that ball rebounds off his head.....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on June 29, 2015, 05:03:55 pm
I'm not an insider, so I can't access the entire article, but

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/insider/story/_/id/13134661/why-bryce-harper-eclipsing-mike-trout-fantasy-baseball
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 29, 2015, 10:34:27 pm
Why Bryce Harper is eclipsing Mike Trout in fantasy baseball
Ron Shandler, Fantasy

It's taken four years, but the planets are finally starting to align.

Coming into the 2011 season, the fantasy world was excited about the arrival of two of the most talented prospects the sport had ever seen. Bryce Harper was the consensus No. 1 prospect coming into that season. Mike Trout was safely within the top five.

Both were supposed to take the sport by storm. Yet both were still years from being able to share a beer legally. It had been a long time since such talented players might make an impact at such a young age.

The scouting reports described Harper as having prodigious power. That was an easy call after he hit 31 home runs in only 228 at-bats in his last year at the College of South Nevada. Trout had tremendous speed, amassing 56 stolen bases at two Class A stops in 2010.

Harper was the power guy. Trout was the speed guy.

In the four years since, each has taken a different path.

Trout hit the ground running, posting a historic 2012 campaign -- 30 homers, 49 stolen bases, .326 batting average -- and has maintained elite productivity every year since. He has fulfilled the speed expectations and added far more power than anyone expected.

Harper has battled inconsistency and injuries -- knee bursitis in 2013, a torn thumb ligament in 2014 -- that have cost him much playing time. Along the way, there were small signs that he might one day reach the potential we had expected.

And as of Sunday:

Trout Vs. Harper
PLAYER   HR   RBI   R   SB   AVG   R$
Mike Trout   18   41   52   8   0.304   $33
Bryce Harper   24   57   52   3   0.345   $41
Note: R$ is short for rotisserie value, a gauge that is benched against the caliber of offense each season.

Some analysts believe that once these players' careers are over, Harper will have the more impressive lifetime stat line.

That's a bold statement, and somewhat counterintuitive given the huge head start Trout has in this race. But it might not be completely off the wall.

For starters, both are still ridiculously young. Neither is old enough to rent a car at the "adult" rate. It's conceivable that both could be looking at careers that extend beyond 20 years.

Here are some interesting trends from Trout's career so far:

Mike Trout Production, 2011-2015
YEAR   BA   OBA   SLG   CT%   BABIP   R$
2011   .220   .281   .390   76%   .247   -$2
2012   .326   .399   .564   75%   .383   $45
2013   .323   .432   .557   77%   .376   $43
2014   .287   .377   .561   69%   .349   $38
2015   .304   .386   .581   75%   .341   $37

Typically we'd expect to see some growth during the early years of a player's career. Trout's trends are mostly flat or declining, clearly because he started out at such a high level. His batting average on balls in play has been normalizing over time, indicating that his future batting averages might settle closer to .300 than .325.

And despite the high levels, his rotisserie value -- a gauge that is benched against the caliber of offense each season -- has also been in a slow decline.

After Trout's 2012 breakout, I was asked what the chances were that it would be the best year of his career. I said "99 percent." I'll stand by that statement.

Here are the similar gauges for Harper:

Bryce Harper Production, 2012-2015
YEAR   BA   OBA   SLG   CT%   BABIP   R$
2012   .270   .340   .477   77%   .310   $23
2013   .274   .368   .486   78%   .306   $20
2014   .273   .344   .423   70%   .352   $10
2015   .345   .473   .735   75%   .370   $42

While there are similarly flat trends for some of these metrics, Harper's 2015 performance to this point far exceeds anything he's done before. We don't know whether he can sustain these levels for three more months, or if he can even stay healthy during that time, but these numbers do exceed those Trout is currently producing.

Admittedly, it's not a strong argument for either player's Hall of Fame worthiness 25 years from now. But if these four years represent just the beginning of a 20-year run, there's still plenty of time for either to win this battle.

A look at future fantasy stars

For those fantasy leaguers entranced by each year's shiny new things, Harper and Trout are both old news. The important names now are players like Kris Bryant, Joey Gallo, Byron Buxton, Joc Pederson and Carlos Correa.

It seems the hype that preceded these players was exceeded only by the rush to roster them. Is chasing the hype always the best approach? And if we use Trout and Harper as the benchmarks for levels worth chasing, how has this year's young talent crop measured up so far?

Rookie Production, Rotisserie Value
PLAYER   BA   OBA   SLG   CT%   BABIP   R$
Kris Bryant   0.277   0.379   0.455   65%   0.386   $22
Joey Gallo   0.222   0.319   0.476   54%   0.310   $4
Byron Buxton   0.120   0.185   0.200   64%   0.386   -$3
Joc Pederson   0.251   0.392   0.541   65%   0.301   $23
Carlos Correa   0.304   0.328   0.536   73%   0.368   $6

These are all small samples, but you can still see which players are already lacking in some key metrics.

The biggest takeaway? Almost all have depressed contact rates, a key skill that will filter down into all their other stats. Players who can't manage a 72 percent level could wind up looking up at a .250 batting average.

This is what immediately separates this group from any thought that they could approach Trout/Harper levels. Note that both Trout and Harper showed significantly better contact in their rookie year than any of this year's top prospects.

But all is not lost. Buxton had a 78 percent contact rate at two minor league stops this year. Correa's contact rate was up above 80 percent while in the minors. While they might not have the same level of power as players like Bryant, Gallo and Pederson, Buxton and Correa might have more long-term potential.

The big power bats will likely be feast-or-famine commodities. They might be Giancarlo Stanton one year, Chris Carter the next, so be prepared for both of those outcomes.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on June 30, 2015, 06:50:42 am
Thank you for this important analysis.
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on June 30, 2015, 12:16:21 pm
Hello 'Moneyball'

'Dipoto, according to sources, believes that the coaches too often rely on ?feel? while teams such as the AL West-leading Astros are at the forefront of incorporating data. The coaches, in turn, seemingly do not trust the information they are given, and either are not willing or able to translate it for the players.'
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 30, 2015, 01:19:42 pm
Hello 'Moneyball'

'Dipoto, according to sources, believes that the coaches too often rely on ?feel? while teams such as the AL West-leading Astros are at the forefront of incorporating data. The coaches, in turn, seemingly do not trust the information they are given, and either are not willing or able to translate it for the players.'

Pujols was the most vocal to Dipoto about how last years team was stronger offensively.  That's not good..
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on June 30, 2015, 01:20:47 pm
Thank you for this important analysis.

I'm available upon request.

However, using fantasy analysis to decide who's better is an amazingly poor way to go about it...
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Kubacheck on June 30, 2015, 05:05:17 pm
Thank you for this important analysis.

I'm available upon request.

However, using fantasy analysis to decide who's better is an amazingly poor way to go about it...

unless you're drafting a fantasy team....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 01, 2015, 09:14:27 am
Hello 'Moneyball'

'Dipoto, according to sources, believes that the coaches too often rely on ?feel? while teams such as the AL West-leading Astros are at the forefront of incorporating data. The coaches, in turn, seemingly do not trust the information they are given, and either are not willing or able to translate it for the players.'

Pujols was the most vocal to Dipoto about how last years team was stronger offensively.  That's not good..

DiPoto reportedly packed up his office last night. This is not the right year for me to change jobs....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 01, 2015, 10:37:22 am

DiPoto reportedly packed up his office last night. This is not the right year for me to change jobs....

Old School 1 Analytics 0
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: shemptiness on July 01, 2015, 10:46:12 am
It's good to be Bobby Bo.


'Towards the end of his career Bobby's star was burning out and he was caught playing cards in the Mets dugout with a fellow player while the team was losing the final game of the National League Championship Series. Months later Bonilla met with management to discuss his contract. Although they wanted to part ways, the Mets still owed him $5.9 million for one more year. That's when things turned in Bonilla's favor.

With two children to put through college and retirement to pay for, the 36-year-old ball player negotiated what has turned out to be one of the most forward-thinking contracts in sports history. Instead of taking a lump sum, which is what most financial advisers would suggest you do, Bobby and his agents offered the Mets another deal. The team would release him to play for another franchise and they would delay the $5.9 million payment for 11 years with interest. Essentially the Mets agreed to pay Bobby Bonilla a delayed total of $29.8 million in 25 annual installments of $1.192 million starting on July 1, 2011.

Today, the 52-year-old is on the eve of July 1st, what has unofficially become Bobby Bonilla Day and another big $1.2 million payday from the Mets. They will continue making his lovely direct deposits until 2035, when Bobby is 72.

Perhaps the next time we buy a lottery ticket and we're asked that question of equal payments or lump sum we'll remember Bobby Bonilla and remember the man who is winning at life. Happy Bobby Bonilla Day!'
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: vansmack on July 01, 2015, 07:30:54 pm
It's good to be Bobby Bo.

I love that story.  I remind every Mets fan I know that they're still paying Bobby Bo as often as I can....
Title: Re: The MLB Thread
Post by: Kubacheck on July 01, 2015, 07:42:58 pm
It's good to be Bobby Bo.

I love that story.  I remind every Mets fan I know that they're still paying Bobby Bo as often as I can....

not just Bobby Bo, but Jason Bey as well.....

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/21727140/and-the-mets-two