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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: miss pretentious on November 25, 2014, 12:40:47 am
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I'm disappointed in all of you....
...but still want to chat about it.
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At the urging of Kosmette so she has someone to talk about it with, I've listened up to episode five as of yesterday.
the background on Mr. S was hilarious and I know that the bit about the anonymous tip will bug me, still catching up though
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just started - LOVE it and it has the added bonus of most of the action happening right where I work on Security boulevard
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Listening to episode 9 RIGHT NOW!!! WTF phone booth?!?
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I used to work right near there.
Loving the podcast, but I still haven't made up my mind over whether Adnan is really guilty. One week I think "no" and the next "yes".
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The first thing Kosmette asked was did I think we was guilty or not and I'm not sure... And one truly needs to listen to without distraction because there are so many details. I find myself rewinding all the time.
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The first thing Kosmette asked was did I think we was guilty or not and I'm not sure... And one truly needs to listen to without distraction because there are so many details. I find myself rewinding all the time.
Agreed! I like to listen in the car when I'm driving a while. But I tried to listen just around my room and was like UGH NO. REWIND. I need pretty much zero distractions.
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You do really need zero distractions! I have listened to each episode twice. So, what is everyone's opinion?
The thing I keep coming back to is...Why was Jay cleaning the tools and throwing them in the dumpster? How did he get the tools?
That just doesn't make any sense to me.
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Clearly I need to re-listen to episode three again about the Inconsistencies
and for those of you wondering what we are talking about here is the link, it's apparently the number one podcast right now.
http://serialpodcast.org/
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If you are into Serial there is a ton of stuff on Reddit about the story(maps,timelines,cell tower analysis) and I believe there are a couple of podcasts that have sprung up discussing each weeks episode(one is on Slate).
I have pretty much made up my mind on Adnan's guilt/innocence but I do think there are many strange unanswered questions and one can't help think that a more robust defense would have gotten him off regardless of whether he did it or not.
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Can't say I've ever listened to any podcasts but I do stream talk shows and what not while driving. So, this is worth listening?
;D
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It's been compared to the Wire, but based on a real case. I'm betting most people are hooked during the third episode.
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I have a 7+ hour drive today and another on Sunday and I'm using the opportunity to jump into this and see how it goes. Very timely suggestion, folks!
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I have a 7+ hour drive today and another on Sunday and I'm using the opportunity to jump into this and see how it goes. Very timely suggestion, folks!
heh... I listened to the first five episodes last night thanks to this thread. I'm afraid to read through the thread though, any spoilers??
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I have a 7+ hour drive today and another on Sunday and I'm using the opportunity to jump into this and see how it goes. Very timely suggestion, folks!
heh... I listened to the first five episodes last night thanks to this thread. I'm afraid to read through the thread though, any spoilers??
I also have not read the thread extensively. Kosmo + Miss P overlapping on a pop culture item was a pretty good indicator to me I was out of the loop on something I'd enjoy.
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I don't see any particular spoilers here, just discussion of items that have come out that puzzle us.
I went down the podcast about podcast rabbit hole with the Slate one, which is also well done. Kosmette has heard the a/v club and said it's not very good. She has also gotten into the Reddit discussion, not sure I'm ready to deal with those loons
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She has also gotten into the Reddit discussion, not sure I'm ready to deal with those loons
Loons? They pretty much solved the Boston Marathon bombing...
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When do you all find time to listen to podcasts?
Had I not had a five hour drive last night, I have no clue when I would get to listen to these.
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When do you all find time to listen to podcasts?
Had I not had a five hour drive last night, I have no clue when I would get to listen to these.
I listen to them on my drive to work. Smackie's recent pointing out of The Economist in podcast form has, as he predicted, changed my life.
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i definitely think he's guilty. jay probably should have been charged as well tho
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Jay is def the main issue in this case. I just don't believe any of this "inconsistencies." Even that juror thought Jay went to jail - which jesus christ....
I've listened to most of them twice, each time I realize there is something I'm missing.
Julian - this will be perfect for your drive.
This is the reddit thread my friend had said I should read - but Im not ready for that rabbit hole yet. I think I'm going to wait until the entire season is over. http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2n3k65/everyone_seems_to_accept_adnans_foggy_memory_when/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2n3k65/everyone_seems_to_accept_adnans_foggy_memory_when/)
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Another read: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/splitthemoon/2014/10/life-plus-30-murder-lies-the-anatomy-of-a-wrongful-conviction/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/splitthemoon/2014/10/life-plus-30-murder-lies-the-anatomy-of-a-wrongful-conviction/)
It is the blog of Rabia Chaudry, who first brought the case to Sarah Koening
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I'm on the fence,the lack of physical evidence plus the possibility of additional people concern me. I also think the next episode involving the lawyer will be very interesting...
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Are there any photos of Jay anywhere? It is driving me crazy I can't figure out what he looks like.
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Also, the second season was successfully crowdfunded!
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/blog/2014/11/there-will-be-a-serial-season-two-thanks-to-everyone-who-donated
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Are there any photos of Jay anywhere? It is driving me crazy I can't figure out what he looks like.
Warning there are probably spoilers here and it is the daily mail but pictures of some of the parties involved are here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2830737/New-hope-convicted-murderer-brilliant-high-school-girlfriend-case-cult-podcast-hit-Serial.html
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Podcast? No moving pictures with the story equals, yawn. Go back to the stone age, Marconi.
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If there were moving pictures involved people would be crashing cars all over the world
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Now I'm getting addicted to Start-up, the guy from This American Life and Planet Money who is striking out with his own company to produce podcasts. It's following his progress to get his company up and running. It like Serial is very well done.. Of course it will be interesting to see how in the wake of the success of Serial how investors will look at Alex Blumberg's Startup.
http://gimletmedia.com/
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This guy is clearly guilty. Jay was clearly an accomplice after-the-fact if not a true co-conspirator.
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This guy is clearly guilty. Jay was clearly an accomplice after-the-fact if not a true co-conspirator.
So you liked it, yeah?
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This guy is clearly guilty. Jay was clearly an accomplice after-the-fact if not a true co-conspirator.
So you liked it, yeah?
i still have 1.5 episodes to be caught up but yes it was a good listen.
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Syed has an appeal hearing in January!
http://www.wtop.com/41/3753113/Case-highlighted-in-podcast-moves-through-appeal
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I can understand someone thinking "oh, the state's timeline doesn't make sense, they clearly have some events out of order"/there wasn't enough to surpass "reaonable doubt" or thinking Jay played a much larger role in the events. But I see absolutely no way this guy didn't do it from anything we've heard. This girl is "missing" for weeks and weeks and all of her friends are calling her phone daily and he never calls her once? Yeah, he knew she was dead.
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Syed has an appeal hearing in January!
http://www.wtop.com/41/3753113/Case-highlighted-in-podcast-moves-through-appeal
It is pretty interesting that this was granted before the podcast even started.
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My husband thinks he's guilty. He says that it's because he didn't call her once after she disappeared. And they talk about how they remained semi-friends after they broke up. He also thinks he doesn't sound upset enough in the phone interviews.
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He says that it's because he didn't call her once after she disappeared. And they talk about how they remained semi-friends after they broke up.
Yeah, this really stood out to me as I said above. I think the times are all wrong because Jay is trying to make it look like he had as little as possible to do with it but nothing has really led me to believe "oh, maybe this guy didn't do it" and I'm a pretty granola-chewing, Innocence Project hyper-liberal when it comes to these things.
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just started this yesterday and love it
but am on episode 1 so I'm ignoring this thread until I get through...
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I'm all like where is the new episode and then realized it's only Wednesday...
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I'm all like where is the new episode and then realized it's only Wednesday...
I have a feeling this is going to be like Lost for me, where I got into the show late and binge-watched the first 2 seasons and then was totally frustrated when I had to start waiting a week between episodes.
Have they said how many episodes season 1 will be?
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I'm all like where is the new episode and then realized it's only Wednesday...
I have a feeling this is going to be like Lost for me, where I got into the show late and binge-watched the first 2 seasons and then was totally frustrated when I had to start waiting a week between episodes.
Have they said how many episodes season 1 will be?
12
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What do people use for podcasts on Android? I tried a couple and they annoyed me right off the bat.
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from: http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/6330-charts-for-people-obsessed-with-serial (http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/6330-charts-for-people-obsessed-with-serial)
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So serial justs proves how messy real life is.. one minute you are yeah the next boo. And boy could next week be a doozie based on the tease
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I'm listening now too, on episode 3
;D
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What do people use for podcasts on Android? I tried a couple and they annoyed me right off the bat.
I'm moderately happy with Stitcher
much better than trying to stream it from the webpage
now, I pull the car off the road and make sure I immediately get it back to the story
made it up to episode 8 so far
very good find, don't think I've listened to any podcast, by anyone, more than 3 episodes
So I can't tell if it's the content or the delivery that I like more...it does sound a lot like This American Life
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https://m.soundcloud.com/seinfeld2000/what-if-seinfeld-was-serial
I laughed at this for far, far too long. M
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Best Buy apologizes after insensitive Serial tweet
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/best-buy-apologizes-insensitive-serial-tweet-article-1.2042390
When do you all find time to listen to podcasts?
my commute is about 45 minutes door-to-door. that's a potential hour and a half of listening time a day, about 8 hours a week. i haven't started Serial but might give it a whirl if i run out of stuff to listen to. might just dump this on my ipod just in case...
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I don't think best buy did anything wrong with that tweet. Yes I understand someone was murdered - i mean if you are going to be outraged by that, you might as well be outraged by Sesame Street posting a photo of Bert waiting for his thursday morning "cereal"
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I'm totally on a cliff hanger on this upcoming last episode
what a great podcast
Curious what second season will be
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very good find, don't think I've listened to any podcast, by anyone, more than 3 episodes
Really? I am hundreds of episodes deep in some of my favorite podcasts.
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Best Buy apologizes after insensitive Serial tweet
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/best-buy-apologizes-insensitive-serial-tweet-article-1.2042390
And using a murder case as entertainment for commutes on a podcast is sensitive to the murder?
That tweet pales in comparison to some of the stuff I have seen posted on here.
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Best Buy apologizes after insensitive Serial tweet
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/best-buy-apologizes-insensitive-serial-tweet-article-1.2042390
And using a murder case as entertainment for commutes on a podcast is sensitive to the murder?
That tweet pales in comparison to some of the stuff I have seen posted on here.
For example?
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You read this board every day.
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You read this board every day.
Oh, I thought you meant in this thread with regard to this case. Nevermind.
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very good find, don't think I've listened to any podcast, by anyone, more than 3 episodes
Really? I am hundreds of episodes deep in some of my favorite podcasts.
your consumption of all forms of media seems to defy time
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last episode tomorrow...!
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very good find, don't think I've listened to any podcast, by anyone, more than 3 episodes
Really? I am hundreds of episodes deep in some of my favorite podcasts.
your consumption of all forms of media seems to defy time
Not really.
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I realized you didn't nee a breakdown of all of my media consumption habits.
I take it you have children, or you would not have to wonder where a person would get free time to do things like listen to podcasts, or go to shows.
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So anyone think they are going to drop a bombshell in the last episode? Kosmette says the person who brought the case to TAL's attention has been with holding some info from her blog. Wonder if the internet explodes tomorrow..
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So anyone think they are going to drop a bombshell in the last episode? Kosmette says the person who brought the case to TAL's attention has been with holding some info from her blog. Wonder if the internet explodes tomorrow..
It's called Interview With Stephanie, so...
But no, I do not. I think it isn't primarily a whodunit. There's an element of that but it's really a look at the imperfections of our criminal justice system and what defines "reasonable doubt." I expect Sarah Koenig's takeaways to be in that vein.
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Website says it's called what we know, but an interview with her would be a bit of a coup...
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The 3 Major Clues Hidden Way Back in the First Promo for ?Serial?
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/media/serial-podcast-finale/?page=all (http://www.vocativ.com/culture/media/serial-podcast-finale/?page=all)
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Website says it's called what we know, but an interview with her would be a bit of a coup...
I was being entirely facetious.
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The best parody yet.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6ab2d45a77/the-last-episode-of-serial
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The best parody yet.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6ab2d45a77/the-last-episode-of-serial
It was a podcast. It was supposed to be for 4 people.
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MailChimp lady: "I use MailKimp!"
Fake SK: "Oh, really, you do?!"
^ Spot on.
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So loose ends abound...
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i mean..it ended exactly like i thought it would
my take is that he probably did it....too much "bad luck" if he didn't. but you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty...and was he guilty beyond a reasonable doubt with the evidence (that we heard in the podcast anyway)? i'm not so sure you could say so
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i mean..it ended exactly like i thought it would
my take is that he probably did it....too much "bad luck" if he didn't. but you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty...and was he guilty beyond a reasonable doubt with the evidence (that we heard in the podcast anyway)? i'm not so sure you could say so
Yeah, I agree with all that.
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"There's no point in trying to come up with a most-likely scenario, because you could posit a hundred scenarios and so what? ... Even the soberest, most likely scenario holds no more water than the most-hairbrained."
^ This was pure horseshit used to remove SK from the wrath of the pro-Adnan people. That's intellectual garbage and I have no idea how you say that without laughing. Yes, the prospect of Adnan killing her holds no more water than the idea that it was, in fact, a joint effort between Killer Bob from Twin Peaks and the bearded man from Too Many Cooks. I mean that's just some freshman year philosophy class "who can know truth" bullshit.
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one more thing, regarding the innocence project and DNA testing.....apparently 50% of the tests that are initiated by prisoners come back positive (as in they knew they were guilty but gave it a go anyway). this is just something i read on a forum, no idea where the stat is coming from or of its true.
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I'm not pro-adnan, but I don't exactly think he got his day in court, which is why there is an appeal process. Plus, seems to me he should have been at least been offered a plea deal. But, the biggest take away is hoping to never have to go through an ordeal like that...
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I'm not pro-adnan, but I don't exactly think he got his day in court, which is why there is an appeal process. Plus, seems to me he should have been at least been offered a plea deal. But, the biggest take away is hoping to never have to go through an ordeal like that...
agreed.
i also don't think that jay shouldn't have avoided jail time. especially if he was involved as much as it is portrayed.
i'm glad some loose ends with don were...kinda? tied up. but it is still strange to me that he said he loved her and still loved her...they dated for 13 days. how does no guy that is so infatuated with her try to contact her after she goes missing. there had to be something strange with her that was never reveled.
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AND - here's that hae interview (h/t to reddit) that is mentioned in the final ep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OQ6Vlv9h-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OQ6Vlv9h-U)
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I think the biggest loose end I'm upset about is we never get any closure on the issue of why that one girl cannot pronounce Chimp correctly.
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one more thing, regarding the innocence project and DNA testing.....apparently 50% of the tests that are initiated by prisoners come back positive (as in they knew they were guilty but gave it a go anyway). this is just something i read on a forum, no idea where the stat is coming from or of its true.
To bolster your point, does no one even notice Adnan has DNA right in his name. I mean, look: aDNAn. The answer was right there the entire time between the A and the N.
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I wonder if they'll cover the loose ends from the teaser and first episode, they just posted a couple regarding adnan's Hotmail account and Hae's computer
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I wonder if they'll cover the loose ends from the teaser and first episode, they just posted a couple regarding adnan's Hotmail account and Hae's computer
I saw that. I was wondering if we'd get another ep later with the appeal and maybe as a lead in to season 2?
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i also don't think that jay shouldn't have avoided jail time.
So you think he should have avoided jail time right?
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I think the biggest loose end I'm upset about is we never get any closure on the issue of why that one girl cannot pronounce Chimp correctly.
I cringe every time I hear that?but I'm sure the people in the marketing dept were like "GENIOUS, everyone will hate it so much they will never forget it"
was he guilty beyond a reasonable doubt with the evidence
I have to agree (based on what the podcast reveled) the case was weak and to serve life in prison without conclusive evidence? just sucks.
That Jay knew where the car is makes the whole random serial killer was involved unlikely
Also, why would Adnan lie to protect someone else (as there is a running thread that someone else could be involved)...he is doing life.
It would be different if he was doing 10 years or something
That both Don or Adnan didn't call her after she is said to be missing?to me is odd
Not one single attempt
Also that Don's mom owns the store that was his alibi?well makes him a little more suspect to me
Don's comment 'when the cops call and say someone is missing?you think hard about that day and the last time you saw that person and what you were doing' so that Adnan can't remember much seems unlikely
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The Innocence Project Tells Serial Fans What Might Happen Next
http://time.com/3639655/serial-innocence-project-deirdre-enright/ (http://time.com/3639655/serial-innocence-project-deirdre-enright/)
If there?s a possibility that Ronald Moore or somebody else did this, then why would Jay say he?d helped Syed dispose of Lee?s body?
I have no idea. But I wonder about whether Jay somehow got involved with people who had some other entire scheme going on and it?s them he?s afraid of. Because even now he appears to be terrified, and Adnan is in jail so how could it be Adnan that he?s afraid of?
In Josh?s account in the last episode there are these people Jay?s worried about while he?s at work. It sounded like what they were trying to suggest is he?s worried about Adnan, but it makes more sense to me that there?s somebody else he?s worried about entirely that?s not Adnan. And he just realizes that [the police are suspicious of] Adnan, and he knows Adnan is this teenager who isn?t going to hurt him.
When Sarah spoke to Jay on the show, one of the comments she reported him saying was, ?Well if it?s not Adnan, who was it?? And I thought, ?Who says that?? It was such a bizarre comment.
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There's a huge amount of confirmation bias or "seeing what you want to see" going on there. The Innocense Project would love a highly famous convicted person to be acquitted. What she's proposing is literally more improbable than the prosecution's general narrative by a factor of one hundred.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l9XpS6mIZfI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l9XpS6mIZfI
that was hilarious...
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I was laughing hysterically when her and her producer built a sled and attached a horse to it. "We just couldn't make it happen!"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l9XpS6mIZfI
that was hilarious...
i actually lol'd.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l9XpS6mIZfI
that was hilarious...
couldn't agree more, I'm so glad they added mailkimp at the end
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Three cheers for Miss P for starting this thread and introducing some of us latecomers to Serial!!
#Huzzah #FemaleTouch #MailKimp??
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I went to the Best Buy yesterday. Everyone there was buying burner phones. I kid you not.
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For the record, I was trail running near there, and my friend needed a last minute Christmas present.
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For the record, I was trail running near there, and my friend needed a last minute Christmas present.
Did anyone attempt to strangle you? Was there a pay phone in the lobby? How long did it take you to get there? Details, K8teebug, details!
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I went to the Best Buy yesterday. Everyone there was buying burner phones. I kid you not.
Wait, were there payphones outside or in the vestibule?
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http://gawker.com/jay-from-serial-is-apparently-ready-to-talk-1675340373
;D
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http://gawker.com/jay-from-serial-is-apparently-ready-to-talk-1675340373
;D
I think someone got had... Seeing as the picture of Jay is the only known one of him on the interwebs
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What do people use for podcasts on Android? I tried a couple and they annoyed me right off the bat.
I use BeyondPod after using Pocket Casts for a long time.
I think the biggest loose end I'm upset about is we never get any closure on the issue of why that one girl cannot pronounce Chimp correctly.
I cringe every time I hear that?but I'm sure the people in the marketing dept were like "GENIOUS, everyone will hate it so much they will never forget it"
I get so frustrated that I actually finish the damn sentence for her.
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Anybody listening to Start Up? It feels like the next logical follow on to Serial...
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Just wanted to check with Jules if this is proper usage of META?
When I meet radio producer Alex Blumberg, he is wearing the tennis shoes that his wife made him change out of for a meeting with a business investor in episode one of Startup. That?s Blumberg?s new podcast about how he is starting his own podcast business (he is aware that it?s meta).
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Just wanted to check with Jules if this is proper usage of META?
When I meet radio producer Alex Blumberg, he is wearing the tennis shoes that his wife made him change out of for a meeting with a business investor in episode one of Startup. That?s Blumberg?s new podcast about how he is starting his own podcast business (he is aware that it?s meta).
It is a correct usage. Near textbook usage of META, in fact.
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http://gawker.com/jay-from-serial-is-apparently-ready-to-talk-1675340373
;D
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/
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Most believable thing I've read yet.
As a lawyer, it was difficult to listen to the podcast at times, especially the way it was being edited. There's a huge difference between actual guilt and legal guilt and that probably should have been explained more. Either way, all of my theories went out the door when Jay led the cops to her car.
At that point, it was motive of Jay vs motive of Adnan, and frankly, since Adnan had absolutely no alibi, it was hard to fathom it being anyone else.
Do I think the prosecution had enough to go beyond a reasonable doubt? Not with the way this information was presented no, and I could raise serious questions about his attorney's defense, but I wouldn't go that far unless I had read the entire trial proceedings, which, frankly, I'm not going to do. But I definitely think Ms. Gutierrez could have done a better job.
Do I think Adnan killed Hae? Yes, but the job is on the prosecution to put together more evidence than they did (or more than we were presented).
Deidre's well off the mark on this one. She has absolutely nothing to tie Ronald Moore and Jay together. Until then, she needs to look at the real picture and ignore the big picture, which for her is anybody but Adnan.
My favorite part of the podcast was when Adnan got upset about Sarah saying he was such a nice guy that it makes it difficult to believe he could do it. The whole premise of her show was that an attorney contacted her because this really nice kid was convicted of a crime that they just couldn't be he was capable of doing. That doesn't mean shit and he had the exact right response - that doesn't help me one bit, so let's a find a way where I didn't do this with FACT that I can take to the courts. That didn't happen - not even close.
Well, that and where Christina found out Jay's attorney was arranged by the prosecutor and Sarah says "if you or you're loved one is an attorney their mouth is wide open right now" and sure enough, when my fiancee looked over, my mouth was wide open. That was pretty funny.
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I like that Smacks agrees with me that anyone who thinks Adnan legitimately didn't do it is experiencing a severe case of the Emperor's new clothes.
Well, that and where Christina found out Jay's attorney was arranged by the prosecutor and Sarah says "if you or you're loved one is an attorney their mouth is wide open right now" and sure enough, when my fiancee looked over, my mouth was wide open. That was pretty funny.
There's a weird, bizarre theory on the internet -- shocking, I know! -- that he was a CI (plausible) and the cops didn't want to burn him as a source so they concealed his involvement in the murder to keep him informing (insane).
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that he was a CI
please translate?
Certified Informant
confidence interval
edit...ok google helped me out Confidential Informant
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that he was a CI
please translate?
Confidential Informant. Took me a minute too.
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Jay speaks - https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/
See Serail Podcast subtopic in Reddit for interview and discussion.
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/30/exclusive-jay-part-2/
Part 2 of Jay's interview
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Prosecutor Urick's Turn:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/07/prosecutor-serial-case-goes-record/
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Also, just announced
AN EVENING WITH THE CREATORS OF SERIAL:
SARAH KOENIG & JULIE SNYDER
http://www.wolftrap.org/tickets/calendar/performance/15filene/0606show15.aspx
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Has anyone been watching the HBO Robert Durst documentary? Would be interesting to people who liked Serial.
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Yes. He scares me.
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Yes. He scares me.
His affect is just so off in every scene. It's unnerving.
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And he blinks when he's lying! You can tell he killed those people! It's insane.
I'm an episode behind, and haven't googled him, so I really don't know what happened.
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Durst was arrested this morning. Supposedly the final episode tonite is pretty explosive.
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Holy shit...did anyone watch?
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Holy shit...did anyone watch?
Yes. Total jaw drop moment when his mic picks up him going "(I) killed them all". Truly stunning. The "hour long" episode ended like 35 minutes in, out of nowhere, and what had just happened was so batshit crazy, I didn't even care.
Unlike Serial, Jarecki ACTUALLY went out and solved a murder. The Jinx is going to be studied in schools one day.
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Durst had a QP of herb in his hotel room. So he was baked out of his gourd and talking to himself in the shitter and it just happened to be caught on tape. If Dick DeGuerin can't get that "confession" thrown out he should be disbarred.
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yeah . . . that "confession" is so not sticking. and Im sick of hearing about this fucking story on every fucking news,site for fucking days.
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The note is a much bigger deal than "killed them all, of course." In all likelihood, he was saying to himself "[he's going to think I] killed them all, of course."
The handwriting on that note is much harder to explain away.
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Adnan Syed?s story continues in new podcast
?Undisclosed: The State v. Adnan Syed? is a new podcast produced by Chaudry in conjunction with two other lawyers, Susan Simpson and Colin Miller. The first episode will premiere on April 13.
Chaudry said the new podcast will be an investigation of the case rather than a narrative, as Serial was. She described it as partly new information about the case and partly new analysis of things we already know from Serial.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/adnan-syeds-story-continues-new-podcast
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I was hyped when I saw a similar article this morning but looking at who its from, it won't even pretend to have the veneer of journalistic integrity that Serial did.
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Anyone listening to the second series of "Startup"? While I generally enjoy the podcast, it at times sounds like a season of Girls where they are doing a startup web dating service...
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LOL I am listening to StartUp, have never seen Girls, and am enjoying season two, tho not quite as much as season 1...
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so this could have gone in the "comix, video games and other nerd fare" thread, but i thought it most relevant here: this game looks pretty cool and reminds me of Serial, even though i've haven't listened to the series yet.
Finally, someone made an amazing police procedural game (http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/24/8837815/her-story)
Her Story is an interactive interrogation
A Video Game About a Woman Talking to the Police - HER STORY (http://www.herstorygame.com/)
game's homepage
just released today.
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That is as "nerdy" as an episode of Law and Order: SVU.
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Seriously the Mystery Show podcast is awesome... The latest episode about a Welcome Back Kotter lunchbox is a great hour of infotainment...
https://gimletmedia.com/show/mystery-show/
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John Travolta! Phil Spector! Colt Cabana!
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so this could have gone in the "comix, video games and other nerd fare" thread, but i thought it most relevant here: this game looks pretty cool and reminds me of Serial, even though i've haven't listened to the series yet.
Finally, someone made an amazing police procedural game (http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/24/8837815/her-story)
Her Story is an interactive interrogation
A Video Game About a Woman Talking to the Police - HER STORY (http://www.herstorygame.com/)
game's homepage
just released today.
Grantland did an article (http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/her-story-video-game/) about this game last week (incidentally dubbing it "Serial: the video game") and while I'm not a gamer, it looks like a really cool concept.
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Cell phone evidence may be tossed
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/08/new-evidence-submitted-in-adnan-syed-case-from-ser.html
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John Travolta! Phil Spector! Colt Cabana!
Wait, what? What about Colt?
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John Travolta! Phil Spector! Colt Cabana!
Wait, what? What about Colt?
He was on the Welcome Back Kotter! episode of the Mystery Show podcast. I forget in what capacity.
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He pulled off the prank on another wrestler
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Cool, I am a big fan (I even took a picture with him once). I listen to Colt's podcast every week. I might check this show out, I need more podcasts.
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Its back! Its back! Go get it nowwwwww!
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So with the return of Serial will I be inundated with Adele level click bait? Will season two spawned a cottage industry of analysis podcasts... And most importantly has episode one caused Reddit to lose it mind?
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Bowe Bergdahl has been done, afaik. It'll be interesting to see if she can further the story.
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Kosmo and I were discussing this on facebook a little but if Serial season 3 is (completely hypothetically) about the Gamergate controversy, reddit would literally burst into flames. The servers would just start shooting sparks out of nowhere. Neckbeards would lynch Sarah Koenig on a live podcast and yell "THIS IS NOT SEXIST, IT'S ABOUT INTEGRITY IN VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM" as they crucify her in midtown Manhattan.
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so first episode in and it sound like a interest show with lots of details to it...
"Nowhere but Taliban" cracked me up
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Baltimore court grants new trial for Adnan Syed, subject of 1st season of Serial podcast
bit.ly/298baOp (http://www.baltimorecitycourt.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/syedvstateofmdpetitionforpostconvictionrelieforder063016.pdf)
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Confirmed on Appeal. (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/serial-adnan-syed-wins-right-to-new-trial-based-on-alibi-evidence-w518525) He gets a new trial.
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Confirmed on Appeal. (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/serial-adnan-syed-wins-right-to-new-trial-based-on-alibi-evidence-w518525) He gets a new trial.
Technically the state can appeal that again.
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Ok...I know this has nothing to do with serial...but there is no horrific crime court updates thread
So most of you probably heard... Noor Salman was acquitted on the Pulse nightclub massacre
Based on what I read this is totally justified as it was easily proven she knew nothing about asshat Omar's plans....
what shocked me about this is...the Pulse wasn't the intended target, but google led him there when his original target was passed.
On the night of the attack, Mr. Mateen went to the House of Blues at Disney Springs, GPS data and surveillance footage showed. Spooked by the heavy security, he got back in his rental van and searched for downtown Orlando nightclubs on Google. The second hit was Pulse, a gay nightclub with a popular Saturday Latin night.
“It’s a horrible, random, senseless killing by a monster. But it wasn’t preplanned,” Mr. Swift said. “And if he didn’t know, she couldn’t know.”
So all that conjecture about Omar hating gay's and was secretly gay himself and had been to that club...was that all bullshit?
people suck and I'm sorry but stricter gun control laws would have surely prevented this regardless of what the NRA would have you believe
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anyone caught this yet
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZmNlZWNlMzMtNzAwNS00MzBhLWFhZDItNjlmYjc3MGVmNjQwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzY0MTE3NzU@._V1_.jpg)
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Right now, we have a box of Cheerios and a box of Corn Flakes open. Up next it Barbara's Shredded Oats.
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Right now, we have a box of Cheerios and a box of Corn Flakes open. Up next it Barbara's Shredded Oats.
All cereals that aren't Crispix are garbage. Facts only.
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Lies! 1/2 Total and 1/2 Life is the only way to go. Start my day with a bowl of total life.
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(https://mltshp-cdn.com/r/1EYYT)
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Lies! 1/2 Total and 1/2 Life is the only way to go. Start my day with a bowl of total life.
Life Cereal: cure for the common breakfast.
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Lies! 1/2 Total and 1/2 Life is the only way to go. Start my day with a bowl of total life.
Life Cereal: cure for the common breakfast.
cure: something that makes a problem go away.
assuming that you consider breakfast a problem, then you are indeed correct: offer up life cereal, and all of a sudden breakfast goes away because i'd rather eat nothing...
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Lies! 1/2 Total and 1/2 Life is the only way to go. Start my day with a bowl of total life.
Life Cereal: cure for the common breakfast.
cure: something that makes a problem go away.
assuming that you consider breakfast a problem, then you are indeed correct: offer up life cereal, and all of a sudden breakfast goes away because i'd rather eat nothing...
Its a Mad Men reference.
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Wait. He's not out yet? The court of Podcast rendered it's decision years ago....
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Lies! 1/2 Total and 1/2 Life is the only way to go. Start my day with a bowl of total life.
Life Cereal: cure for the common breakfast.
cure: something that makes a problem go away.
assuming that you consider breakfast a problem, then you are indeed correct: offer up life cereal, and all of a sudden breakfast goes away because i'd rather eat nothing...
Its a Mad Men reference.
oh. sorry. i only watch non-prestige TV...
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Wow, another attempt
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3643114-prosecutors-ask-court-to-throw-out-murder-conviction-of-serial-subject-adnan-syed/
It seemed there was reasonable doubt, but the podcast was produced with that intent, so feel like I don’t really know
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Adnan Syed walks out of courthouse after judge overturns his 1999 murder conviction (https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-cr-adnan-syed-hearing-to-vacate-conviction-20220919-ynxvlcuqpbch5h6h2xl5xleh7q-story.html) (B'more Sun)
Judge Overturns Murder Conviction of Adnan Syed of ‘Serial’ (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/19/us/adnan-syed-murder-conviction-overturned.html) (NYT)
Mr. Syed, 41, had been serving a life sentence for the 1999 murder of his high school classmate Hae Min Lee. The judge gave prosecutors 30 days to ask for a new trial or drop the case.
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That poor family.
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That poor family.
Which one?
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Wow!
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That poor family.
Which one?
yea, I would like to know this too
Obviously hard for Lee’s family to go through this yet again, but jez Anan has been in jail since he was 17 and is now 41, for a crime that it appears there is evidence he didn’t commit
It is worse that there was a podcast about this that became famous, but it seems the podcast was right the whole time and the prosecution ignored and buried evidence, because it didn’t fit their narrative that the had the right guy
I do feel for her family, but she is gone and nothing is going to bring her back. the thought of spending life in prison for a crime you didn’t commit is just as horrible for his family too
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for a crime that it appears there is evidence he didn’t commit
I would disagree with this assessment. The prosecution not turning over evidence of other individuals they looked at is not "evidence he didn't commit."
The most likely and reasonable explanation for this young lady's death remains Syed by a wide margin. That is also not sufficient for the burden of proof in a criminal trial.
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but it seems the podcast was right the whole time and the prosecution ignored and buried evidence, because it didn’t fit their narrative that the had the right guy
I would also disagree with this assessment. The podcast outed none of this. The specific things the podcast pointed out have turned out to be ass. Other people independent of the podcast discovered this stuff.
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Agree, the 1st podcast just opened a lot of questions. It is pretty clear now however that the main "witness" was not reliable and was fed information by the cops. The cell phone tower evidence would no longer be admissible in court today. No DNA evidence tying Adnan to the scene or victim. 2 other viable suspects that detectives did not delve into or tell defense attorneys about. Guilty? Maybe/maybe not. Enough reasonable doubt to acquit? Definitely.
When you have DA's office on board with overturning the conviction, it shows that there were huge errors and questions from the original investigation.
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whoa, made it into the top row of gif options in microsoft teams today
(https://i.imgur.com/R8G24Y6.jpeg)
if you look up syed there are a bunch
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for a crime that it appears there is evidence he didn’t commit
I would disagree with this assessment. The prosecution not turning over evidence of other individuals they looked at is not "evidence he didn't commit."
The most likely and reasonable explanation for this young lady's death remains Syed by a wide margin. That is also not sufficient for the burden of proof in a criminal trial.
hmm, so you are confident he was the killer, but also agree the case was so poor that he shouldn't be convicted
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for a crime that it appears there is evidence he didn’t commit
I would disagree with this assessment. The prosecution not turning over evidence of other individuals they looked at is not "evidence he didn't commit."
The most likely and reasonable explanation for this young lady's death remains Syed by a wide margin. That is also not sufficient for the burden of proof in a criminal trial.
hmm, so you are confident he was the killer, but also agree the case was so poor that he shouldn't be convicted
I think putting aside the conviction is the right call because of prosecutorial misconduct and has nothing to do with whether the guy is guilty or not. We're supposed to have a legal system that sends 100 guilty people free to avoid one innocent person in jail.
That said, the still most-plausible version of this lady's death is Syed and any alternative theory strains credulity and involves Jay just magically guessing right about tons of things. I take umbrage at people saying there's "evidence he didn't do it" or claiming he's been exonerated -- nah. This is not a case of "actual innocence" its a case of "the prosecutor fucked up and has no interest 20 years later in retrying the case."
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We're supposed to have a legal system that sends 100 guilty people free to avoid one innocent person in jail.
I do agree on this sentiment
I don't know enough about the case to say otherwise, I was easily swayed by a convincing podcast for sure
I assume you've watched the Only Murders in the Building
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I just saw the first season on an airplane going to and coming back from Europe. Have not see season 2. It's pretty good. Not great.
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I just saw the first season on an airplane going to and coming back from Europe. Have not see season 2. It's pretty good. Not great.
yeah, but if you didn't listen to serial, I think it's not as funny
it's not the best thing I've ever seen, but martin short kills me in it
I was surprised how much I liked Gomez in that role
At first I was like, what is she doing with these heavyweights, but I think she holds her own
I think the second season is worth it if you ejoyed the first
not must see TV, but up there in the top ten shows I've watched in the last year
I will say I'm interested in B.J. Novak's Vengeance...looks like it could be really good (or suck really bad)
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it's not the best thing I've ever seen, but martin short kills me in it
I was surprised how much I liked Gomez in that role
At first I was like, what is she doing with these heavyweights, but I think she holds her own
Agree with all these points. Going to get around to watching season 2 here soon.
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NEW SERIAL EPISODE OH MAH GAWD INSERT HEADS EXPLODE MEME GIF MP4 AVI BBQ WTF!!!111
‘Serial’ streams new episode after Adnan Syed released (https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/20/entertainment/serial-adnan-new-episode/index.html)
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Which one?
Absolutely nothing that happened yesterday has changed my opinion of this case or the podcast:
Most believable thing I've read yet.
As a lawyer, it was difficult to listen to the podcast at times, especially the way it was being edited. There's a huge difference between actual guilt and legal guilt and that probably should have been explained more. Either way, all of my theories went out the door when Jay led the cops to her car.
At that point, it was motive of Jay vs motive of Adnan, and frankly, since Adnan had absolutely no alibi, it was hard to fathom it being anyone else.
Do I think the prosecution had enough to go beyond a reasonable doubt? Not with the way this information was presented no, and I could raise serious questions about his attorney's defense, but I wouldn't go that far unless I had read the entire trial proceedings, which, frankly, I'm not going to do. But I definitely think Ms. Gutierrez could have done a better job.
Do I think Adnan killed Hae? Yes, but the job is on the prosecution to put together more evidence than they did (or more than we were presented).
Deidre's well off the mark on this one. She has absolutely nothing to tie Ronald Moore and Jay together. Until then, she needs to look at the real picture and ignore the big picture, which for her is anybody but Adnan.
My favorite part of the podcast was when Adnan got upset about Sarah saying he was such a nice guy that it makes it difficult to believe he could do it. The whole premise of her show was that an attorney contacted her because this really nice kid was convicted of a crime that they just couldn't be he was capable of doing. That doesn't mean shit and he had the exact right response - that doesn't help me one bit, so let's a find a way where I didn't do this with FACT that I can take to the courts. That didn't happen - not even close.
Well, that and where Christina found out Jay's attorney was arranged by the prosecutor and Sarah says "if you or you're loved one is an attorney their mouth is wide open right now" and sure enough, when my fiancee looked over, my mouth was wide open. That was pretty funny.
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god...2014!
That was a fantastic summary.
So he killed her, but should go free....ack
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but should go free....ack
"I wouldn't go that far unless I had read the entire trial proceedings, which, frankly, I'm not going to do."
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Prosecutors Drop Charges Against Adnan Syed
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Adnan Syed conviction reinstated (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/28/adnan-syed-conviction-reinstated/)
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Procedural.
The lawyers keep winning. No one else is.....