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Title: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 10, 2015, 10:16:19 am
One one hand, he and almost all of his supporters are the kind of people who are wrong about everything, have no idea what's going on, are mad for no real reason, and aren't interested in learning anything.

On the other hand, it might be fun to have a president that just yells and insults people all the time.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 10, 2015, 10:34:37 am
An übermetamegalomaniacal idiot-savant as president. What could go wrong?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on September 10, 2015, 10:52:43 am
i agree that it would be entertaining as hell, but that will wear off quickly.  remember the GW regime: sure, we got bushisms and some zany highlight reels, but the man ruined the economy and dragged us into a pointless and costly war among many other bad things.  the joke isn't worth the cost of admission.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 10, 2015, 12:04:54 pm
I feel like one of W's problems was that he had an underlying insecurity to him. Remember, before he ran for Texas Gov, he'd largely been a professional failure. So when he becomes leader of a post-9/11 free world, he surrounds himself with strong-willed people who constituted a chorus of "Mr. President, this is your hour" and so he was provided the confidence to make terrible, terrible decisions.

Trump completely follows his own internal compass, and he has demonstrated over and over that his worldview is pragmatic more than anything. The only thing he cares about is doing what it takes to win. He knows how to read his audience and adapt, so when it's kosher, he's pro-choice, pro-universal health care, pro-gun control, but when he needs to appeal to Republican idiots, he's a xenophobic, bible-thumping birther.

So I don't think he's going to launch some ideological battle because he has no ideology. And then he'll start throwing out all kinds of asinine proposals that Congress will shoot down, and then he'll call Boehner a "chain-smoking sunburnt salmon" and Harry Reid will be called a "total loser who couldn't get laid at Dewey Beach on Labor Day" and I will be entertained while everything burns forever.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 10, 2015, 12:18:51 pm
Meet your new First Lady:

(http://www.point-spreads.com/images/stories/melania-trump-001.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 10, 2015, 12:25:05 pm
For some reason, I'm getting a "Caitlyn Jindal" vibe from that photo.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 10, 2015, 01:11:54 pm
?Go fuck yourselves, the lot of you?you sad, attention grabbing, power-hungry little men. Do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign.??Michael Stipe


R.E.M.

Band issued cease and desist to Donald Trump · 18 hrs ·
.

"While we do not authorize or condone the use of our music at this political event, and do ask that these candidates cease and desist from doing so, let us remember that there are things of greater importance at stake here. The media and the American voter should focus on the bigger picture, and not allow grandstanding politicians to distract us from the pressing issues of the day and of the current Presidential campaign.?
 -R.E.M.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 10, 2015, 01:13:32 pm
"total loser who couldn't get laid at Dewey Beach on Labor Day"
hmm...I had the same problem
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 10, 2015, 01:36:05 pm
Trump's kind of a sideshow.  I think the better story of the primary season is that Hillary Clinton is losing to a 71-year old Socialist in both Iowa and New Hampshire.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 10, 2015, 01:38:43 pm
she's #feelingthebern
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on September 10, 2015, 01:39:23 pm
"total loser who couldn't get laid at Dewey Beach on Labor Day"
hmm...I had the same problem


You could be president!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 10, 2015, 01:40:06 pm
"total loser who couldn't get laid at Dewey Beach on Labor Day"
hmm...I had the same problem


You could be president!
Well, minority leader in the Senate, at least.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 10, 2015, 01:43:13 pm
"total loser who couldn't get laid at Dewey Beach on Labor Day"
hmm...I had the same problem


You could be president!
cept I have more skeletons than Vincent Price
and I'm a agnostic existentialist (although thinking of converting to Absurdism)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 10, 2015, 02:00:23 pm
Trump's kind of a sideshow.  I think the better story of the primary season is that Hillary Clinton is losing to a 71-year old Socialist in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

I agree that the Trump thing looks and smells like a sideshow, but the fact is that he's been leading the GOP primaries for months now and there is no indication that he's going down any time soon. This is going well beyond the Gingrich/Cain/Bachmann/Paul/Romney 2012 shitshow where every candidate had his/her turn at the top of the polls. This is Trump out there, totally winging it with no filter, calling everyone idiots, insulting anyone who asks him a slightly penetrating question, and just climbing higher and higher.

The three hottest GOP candidates, Trump, Carson, and Fiorina, have never held any political office yet they account for more than 50 percent of poll "votes". This is the shitshow to watch, no matter what chagrined Republicans say.





Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 10, 2015, 03:05:27 pm
I wonder if trump, has a big cock?  my president, better have, a big cock.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 10, 2015, 03:07:46 pm
then you are going to LOVE Hillary   ::)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 10, 2015, 03:15:26 pm
I wonder if trump, has a big cock?  my president, better have, a big cock.

(https://m.dreamteamfc.com/c/s3/dreamteamfc-prod/uploads/2015/08/RTRMADP_USA-ELECTION-TRUMP_130810743_TM3EB8812XX01_2015-08-08T180143Zjpg-JS181772712-414x299.jpg)

"My penis is unbelievably huge. It's breathtaking, really. We're talking salami size. As for Jeb Bush?"

(https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQClEjAXSDg3LY51&w=470&h=246&url=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.politico.com%2Fglobal%2F2015%2F07%2F01%2F20150701_donald_trump_pointing_gty_1160.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=7&sw=1160&sh=607)

"AND THAT'S ON A GOOD DAY. HE'S AN IDIOT WITH A FINGER-DICK, MIGHT AS WELL BE A WOMAN."

[trump polls rise 7 points]
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 10, 2015, 03:16:06 pm
[trump polls rise 7 points]
[walkie's pole rises 7 inches]
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 10, 2015, 03:18:42 pm
relaxer is spot on with his Trump lampoons
Wonder if he can do the voice?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on September 10, 2015, 03:36:11 pm
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/248/358/vince_crop_north.jpg?w=600&h=401&q=75)

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 10, 2015, 04:19:07 pm
A Mexican television network has remixed a Donald Trump speech into a commercial mocking the chances of the United States soccer team beating Mexico (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/world/americas/mexican-tv-network-uses-trump-to-hype-soccer-showdown-with-us.html)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on September 10, 2015, 04:31:01 pm
A Mexican television network has remixed a Donald Trump speech into a commercial mocking the chances of the United States soccer team beating Mexico (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/world/americas/mexican-tv-network-uses-trump-to-hype-soccer-showdown-with-us.html)

I paused New Order for that.  Great find...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 10, 2015, 09:49:24 pm
Trump is a joke..... but he's better than some of the other Republicans..I'd take him over Bush, Cruz, Walker, Rubio, Fiorina, Jindal, Christie, Huckabee

I'd take Kasich, Paul and Carson over Trump though...

Perry has no chance in hell.. I might just take him over Trump though..but its a coin flip

Lindsey, Gilmore and Pataki have no chance in hell but I don't particularly care for any of them either...I'd take Trump over any of them ...


Of course, I am never voting for a Republican... they are all nuts....I agree with Sweetcell..anyone who thinks its funny to contemplate a Trump presidency just look back at GWB..we all remember the "hey he's more fun to drink a beer with than boring Al! (weird though how he didn't drink)".... how did that turn out?

I'm going with Hillary unless Biden runs and then I'll have to think about it... Bernie is a joke..this country will never elect a socialist pledging to break up the banks etc...I mean come on..lets get real
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on September 11, 2015, 12:11:07 pm
Krista: What is it about society that disappoints you so much?
Elliot: Oh, i don't know. Is it that we collectively thought Steve Jobs was a great man, when when we knew he made billions off the backs of children? Or maybe it's that it feels like all our heroes are counterfeit. the world itself's just a big hoax. Spamming with our running commentary of bullshit masquerading as insight, our social media faking as intimacy. Or is it that we voted for this? Not with our rigged elections, but with our things, our property, our money. I'm not saying anything new. We all know why we do this, not because Hunger Games books make us happy but because we wanna be sedated. Because it's painful not to pretend, because we're cowards. F society.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 11, 2015, 02:27:19 pm
You sound jaded.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 11, 2015, 02:29:12 pm
You sound jaded.
I agree. He should reflect on the good things in life and be more grateful.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on September 11, 2015, 02:46:07 pm
You sound jaded.
I agree. He should reflect on the good things in life and be more grateful.

I think you just lost your SHITLORD verification.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 16, 2015, 09:33:16 am
Debate #2 tonight!

I'm embarrassingly excited about it.

I feel like this is the last chance for Jeb, Christie, and Rand to unload on Trump on a national stage. Rubio will float above it, Carly and Cruz will be nonfactors, Huckabee will have Kim Davis sitting in his lap, and Carson will smile beatifically while saying asinine shit.

Trump will be Trump. I love the fact that he does no preparation and no consultation before these things. Just another event to show up and Trump.

There has been no more fascinating political theater in my life time than this. And I was a grown-ass man for Sarah Palin, James Stockdale, Ross Perot, John Edwards/diapers, etc.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 16, 2015, 09:36:10 am
Debate #2 tonight!

I'm embarrassingly excited about it.

I feel like this is the last chance for Jeb, Christie, and Rand to unload on Trump on a national stage. Rubio will float above it, Carly and Cruz will be nonfactors, Huckabee will have Kim Davis sitting in his lap, and Carson will smile beatifically while saying asinine shit.

Trump will be Trump. I love the fact that he does no preparation and no consultation before these things. Just another event to show up and Trump.

There has been no more fascinating political theater in my life time than this. And I was a grown-ass man for Sarah Palin, James Stockdale, Ross Perot, John Edwards/diapers, etc.
I'm glad you used your 4,000th post on this inanity.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 16, 2015, 09:36:54 am
And I'll use my 4,001st post to call you a big dummy!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 16, 2015, 10:47:37 am
And I'll use my 4,001st post to call you a big dummy!
I'm glad you used your 4,001st post on this inanity.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 16, 2015, 10:50:39 am
He actually sold me on tuning in, though I'll have to watch it on a laptop.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 16, 2015, 01:45:13 pm
Holy crap, this debate is going to be 3 hours long  :o
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on September 16, 2015, 03:11:52 pm
it'll take a lot of weed to get through this thing...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 16, 2015, 04:02:15 pm
who has the best chance after trump to replace trump after trump is suddenly not liked anymore, or is it really possible at this point that trump will become the trump nominee and maybe even the next trump president?  there are people I talk to who don,t care that he doesn,t know anything about the job or has any experience at all.  they say, he,s a business man and they have people behind the scenes who run the show anyway for the trump president.  people want a character for president over a serious stiff this time; people want the president from a movie.  I think he's really going to have to say something beyond coming back from, to lose, at this point.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 16, 2015, 04:04:41 pm
there are people I talk to who don,t care that he doesn,t know anything about the job or has any experience at all.  they say, they have people behind the scenes who run the show anyway for the president.  people want a character for president over a serious stiff this time; people want the president from a movie. 
Wait, Reagan is back from the dead and running again?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 16, 2015, 04:06:17 pm
there are people I talk to who don,t care that he doesn,t know anything about the job or has any experience at all.  they say, they have people behind the scenes who run the show anyway for the president.  people want a character for president over a serious stiff this time; people want the president from a movie. 
Wait, Reagan is back from the dead and running again?
In an ironic twist, Arnold is taking over the Apprentice (or should that have gone on the Prestige tv thread)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 16, 2015, 04:06:58 pm
there are people I talk to who don,t care that he doesn,t know anything about the job or has any experience at all.  they say, they have people behind the scenes who run the show anyway for the president.  people want a character for president over a serious stiff this time; people want the president from a movie. 
Wait, Reagan is back from the dead and running again?

trump president just came, that you compared him to Reagan president.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 16, 2015, 04:08:48 pm
there are people I talk to who don,t care that he doesn,t know anything about the job or has any experience at all.  they say, they have people behind the scenes who run the show anyway for the president.  people want a character for president over a serious stiff this time; people want the president from a movie. 
Wait, Reagan is back from the dead and running again?
In an ironic twist, Arnold is taking over the Apprentice (or should that have gone on the Prestige tv thread)
Reality TV is the antithesis of prestige television.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 16, 2015, 04:15:30 pm
it'll take a lot of weed to get through this thing...

You just won my vote!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 16, 2015, 04:15:56 pm
it'll take a lot of weed to get through this thing...

You just won my vote!
You're banned from bodybuilding for five years.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 16, 2015, 04:21:42 pm
who has the best chance after trump to replace trump after trump is suddenly not liked anymore, or is it really possible at this point that trump will become the trump nominee and maybe even the next trump president?  there are people I talk to who don,t care that he doesn,t know anything about the job or has any experience at all.  they say, he,s a business man and they have people behind the scenes who run the show anyway for the trump president.  people want a character for president over a serious stiff this time; people want the president from a movie.  I think he's really going to have to say something beyond coming back from, to lose, at this point.

I know this is the conventional wisdom, but I just cannot see Trump winning the nomination. At some point, he's going to be confronted with questions about what he would actually DO as president. And even if he gets some ghost-written "positions" he's going to have a Perry moment where someone questions him on "his" positions and he'll have no idea. I mean, the guy has zero shame so maybe he can blowhard past that, but at some point, this has to catch up with him. Doesn't it? I mean, he's defied all the laws of politics for months now, but I just cannot see The Establishment allowing him to be the nominee.

And if/when he goes down, who replaces him depends on who's left. Jeb and Rubio seem like the most mainstream options but it feels like Jeb is slowly flaming out and joining Walker and Paul in the LOL category.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 16, 2015, 04:23:44 pm
it'll take a lot of weed to get through this thing...

You just won my vote!
You're banned from bodybuilding for five years.

Man, lots of gym bros smoke the weed. Zero calories/trans fats! All you need to do is have the MENTAL WILLPOWER and STRENGTH and DISCIPLINE to avoid crappy snacks when you get the munchies. Munch on some OVERHEAD DELT CABLE FLIES INSTEAD.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 16, 2015, 04:25:09 pm
And if/when he goes down, who replaces him depends on who's left. Jeb and Rubio seem like the most mainstream options but it feels like Jeb is slowly flaming out and joining Walker and Paul in the LOL category.
I really thought it was going to be Walker. At this point, I think it's Rubio or Carson.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 16, 2015, 04:25:42 pm
Man, lots of gym bros smoke the weed. Zero calories/trans fats! All you need to do is have the MENTAL WILLPOWER and STRENGTH and DISCIPLINE to avoid crappy snacks when you get the munchies. Munch on some OVERHEAD DELT CABLE FLIES INSTEAD.
I was parodying that kickboxing dude who just got suspended for 5 years for "performance enhancing" weed.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on September 16, 2015, 04:49:30 pm
it'll take a lot of weed to get through this thing...

You just won my vote!
You're banned from bodybuilding for five years.

Man, lots of gym bros smoke the weed. Zero calories/trans fats! All you need to do is have the MENTAL WILLPOWER and STRENGTH and DISCIPLINE to avoid crappy snacks when you get the munchies. Munch on some OVERHEAD DELT CABLE FLIES INSTEAD.

i thought the biggest challenge was having the mental willpower and strength and discipline to stay chained to the weights and lift some more; vs. wandering off because someone is playing pink floyd in the other room, or taking a nap 'cause that couch sure does look damn comfy right about now...

uh, do we need a new thread here?  staying motivated while intoxicated?  benching under the influence?  other?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 16, 2015, 04:54:19 pm
All you need to do is have the MENTAL WILLPOWER and STRENGTH and DISCIPLINE to avoid crappy snacks when you get the munchies.
I continue to Fail
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 16, 2015, 05:01:33 pm
32 Celebrities Struggle to Define the Color of Donald Trump?s Hair  (http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/09/trump-hair-color-kristen-stewart-tom-hiddleston?)


(http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55f99a29fad0d98d444d4491/master/w_690,c_limit/vf-trump-hair-chastain.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 16, 2015, 05:08:15 pm
I'm willing to bet that no less than 28 of those 32 have changed their own hair color so their criticisms of President-Elect Trump are dubious.

(http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jeanluchappy.gif)

"Not me! Not me! Not me!"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 16, 2015, 05:59:44 pm
look at all the next generation gifs, we got going on, in here.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 16, 2015, 06:45:45 pm
A true patriot, lol

Tom Brady endorses Donald Trump
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 16, 2015, 09:04:35 pm
I'm willing to bet that no less than 28 of those 32 have changed their own hair color so their criticisms of President-Elect Trump are dubious.

(http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jeanluchappy.gif)

"Not me! Not me! Not me!"
one of my favorites so far
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 16, 2015, 09:05:41 pm
was kinda hoping to get a play by play fellas
I want to know what to blather about in the morning and not have to use NPR's talking points
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 16, 2015, 09:59:28 pm
was kinda hoping to get a play by play fellas
I want to know what to blather about in the morning and not have to use NPR's talking points
NOT USE NPR'S TALKING POINTS? you're basically ripping food out of relaxer's non-existent children's mouths!!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on September 16, 2015, 11:44:58 pm
you're basically ripping food out of relaxer's non-existent children's mouths!!

uh, i've got news for you...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2015, 06:28:47 am
was kinda hoping to get a play by play fellas
I want to know what to blather about in the morning and not have to use NPR's talking points


I watched most of the first hour and couldn't take anymore...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 17, 2015, 08:59:44 am
you're basically ripping food out of relaxer's non-existent children's mouths!!

uh, i've got news for you...
They've basically just impregnated Relaxer, brought his babies to term, then ripped food out of their now existing mouths!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 17, 2015, 09:17:19 am
Actually it just occurred to me that Jean-Luc appears to be happily entertaining two dicks.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 17, 2015, 09:49:16 am
(http://i.imgur.com/5kOY4Dk.png)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 17, 2015, 10:04:10 am
Here are the albums I thought represented each candidate after last night's debate

Trump: Van Halen II

Carson: Norah Jones 'Come Away with Me'

Fiorina: Adele '21'

Jeb: REM "Monster"

Walker: Meghan Trainor's next album

Christie: Bruce Springsteen "Human Touch"

Rubio: "The Historical Conquests of Josh Ritter"

Kasich: That one album by The News when Huey Lewis was off in rehab or something

Huckabee: Noel Gallagher's Flying Birds "Chasing Yesterday"

Rand: Public Enemy "The Evil Empire of Everything"

Cruz: Phil Collins "...But Seriously"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 17, 2015, 10:13:14 am
Really, shouldn't Christie be Adele or Meghan Trainor? They seem to share a certain hambeastiness.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 17, 2015, 10:14:07 am
So ended up watching some online (NPR's coverage this am was weak)

I really was in pain anytime Cruz or Huckabee spoke
Trump is really a dick with his comments on 1% polling and how people look
such an egomaniac and people love him more when he acts like a buffoon

But this had to be my favorite moment
Carson said something that Trump liked
Trump goes for the Hi-Five and Carson just leaves him hanging
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/09/16/carsontrumpshake.gif)

...trump recovers to just go into handshake (must happen to him a lot )
Although looked like Carson was going to do a "Down low...too slow"
Carson was funny with his 'you'd make an OK Dr' comment


Speaking of hi-fives...man did Bush really slam one to Trump
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/BdbptI.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 17, 2015, 10:16:01 am
Really, shouldn't Christie be Adele or Meghan Trainor? They seem to share a certain hambeastiness.

Maybe "Chinese Democracy" would be appropriate for Christie.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 17, 2015, 10:17:42 am
Speaking of hi-fives...man did Bush really slam one to Trump
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/BdbptI.gif)

God, I so wish that Trump had yanked his hand back and run it through his hair, smiling, while Jeb! sputtered and gasped.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2015, 10:28:08 am
I thought Trump made both of them look like patsies in those interchanges.....

They all are pretty scary but some are better than others...my revised rankings on preferred Republican nominee (based on being better for the country although hopefully they all lose to the democratic nominee)



1. Kasich
2. Paul
3. Carson
4. Trump
5. Bush
6. Christie
7. Fiorina
8. Walker
9. Rubio
10. Huckabee
11. Cruz (obviously the best debater but scariest...)


Bush is particularly hard to gauge and at times I would rate him over Trump.... I think if his brother had never been president, and if he wasn't bound to surround himself with many of the same people as his father and brother then I would rate him higher.. When he said his brother kept America safe I had to laugh.... the reply should have been "eh.. guess you don't remember 9-11?"

Candidates democrats should fear: Fiorina, Rubio and Kasich
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 17, 2015, 10:31:13 am
Pataki anyone?

moderate Republican governor from large liberal state...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2015, 10:38:30 am
Pataki anyone?

moderate Republican governor from large liberal state...

those guys on the loser debate are non-starters
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 17, 2015, 10:40:23 am
Jeb! has revealed himself to be a terrible campaigner. He's prickly and dickless and if Trump weren't in the race tweaking him, Jeb! would just be whining and dicking about something else. He looks the part, he's got the background, but he's just such a blob of gelatinous goo that I don't think he would've made it regardless.

Carly was impressive and has done good work projecting a "Commander in Chief in Heels" persona, but I don't think the GOP is going to nominate both the first woman and the first never-been-elected-to-anything candidate. The Palin stink is too fresh so she won't get VP and Carly's legacy in this race is that she's everyone's #2 or #3 choice.

If Rubio could fix that "little boy trying to be all tough" quiver in his voice, he'd be a strong candidate. He's young enough that as long as he doesn't get caught knuckle-deep in a tiny asian boy, he's got a couple more cycles available to him. He'll run for governor after he loses this round.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2015, 10:49:30 am
assuming they don't get the nomination the Republicans would be foolish not to take a serious look at Rubio and Fiorina as VPs... Rubio would help lock up Florida... Fiorina would be major damage control with women....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 17, 2015, 10:54:21 am
Relaxer...your commentary on Rubio is dead on.  He should just bide his time.

Who Said It: Presidential Hopeful Donald Trump or ?Idiocracy? President Camacho? (http://flavorwire.com/537887/who-said-it-presidential-hopeful-donald-trump-or-idiocracy-president-camacho)


(https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/camacho.jpg)
you totatlly know Killsaly would be on the street team for him
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho ?five-time Smackdown champion, born superstar, and President of the United States,?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 17, 2015, 11:02:52 am
Here's my hot takes coming out of debate

Trump: Plateauing but the beginning of downward trend is born. The longer he delays uttering a single rational sentence that actually pertains to the real carbon-based world, the worse it will be for him.

Carson: Continues along at ~15-20% on his car made of clouds and then one day someone realizes we haven't heard from him in 8 months but he's still happy and peaceful like Ferdinand the bull smelling the flowers.

Fiorina: Gets a solid bump coming out of last night but the desperate guys stuck in single digits will unload on her at the next debate and she'll start crying or get her period or something and she'll Bachmann out of contention. Apparently she has a lot of skeletons in her closet so this will be fun and horny to watch.

Jeb: His ship is slowly sinking and he knows it so he's going to just even swim harder except eventually he'll get a cramp. Meanwhile, his wife just sent Rubio a FB friend request.

Walker: Will never emerge from single digits and once he realizes it, he'll make a speech saying that he can do more good riding his Harley around America and getting into adventures and no one will care.

Christie: He should've said "You see this plane behind us? I personally flew it into this building today to remind us all how connected I am to 9/11. Also, the snack bar was about to close and I couldn't find a parking spot." He'll rage-quit pretty soon.

Rubio: Cruised out of debates looking good but that voice quiver.

Kasich: Seems like a reasonable guy but ultimately unelectable because clearly his bones are liquifying plus all the gay rumors.

Huckabee: He's finished but will continue on his own, picking up bass gigs here and there to keep gas in the tank.

Rand: This is just the first of many, many elections that he'll lose.

Cruz: Only 'bump' for him is he successfully lost 12 pounds in sweat last night.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 17, 2015, 11:24:46 am
Fiorina: ...  she'll start crying or get her period or something and . . .  this will be fun and horny to watch.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2015, 12:14:27 pm

Jeb: His ship is slowly sinking and he knows it so he's going to just even swim harder except eventually he'll get a cramp. Meanwhile, his wife just sent Rubio a FB friend request.

 :D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2015, 12:19:43 pm
I like Kasich..but he looks a bit past his shelf life... he was really grimacing and holding the podium weird last night while rocking forward or something..

if not he'd be a great VP too... he's very popular in Ohio and you know what they say about Ohio...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2015, 12:20:45 pm
Relaxer, I'm unclear who is going to win from your perceptive analysis of last night's debate...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 17, 2015, 12:22:22 pm
he's very popular in Ohio and you know what they say about Ohio...
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0240/6253/products/80_219_1024x1024.jpeg)??
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 17, 2015, 12:31:45 pm
Relaxer, I'm unclear who is going to win from your perceptive analysis of last night's debate...

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbqzqg0o3H1r2piwc.png)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 18, 2015, 11:14:47 am
Nobody's mentioned the Trojan Horse Theory?

I was sitting near these two guys at a conference earlier this week and one of them wouldn't stop talking to the other one about how Trump and the Clintons are in a secret plot to undermine the Republican chances in 2016 by putting Trump out there as a legitimate GOP candidate when he's really a diehard Dem.  Barring the nomination, Trump will run as an Independent, regardless of any silly pledge.  This guy had all sorts of details about golf outings and other secret meetings; sweetheart financing deals made to Trump's businesses through Bob Rubin and other ex-Clinton administration financiers.  It was fascinating, really. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 18, 2015, 11:23:13 am
Nobody's mentioned the Trojan Horse Theory?

I was sitting near these two guys at a conference earlier this week and one of them wouldn't stop talking to the other one about how Trump and the Clintons are in a secret plot to undermine the Republican chances in 2016 by putting Trump out there as a legitimate GOP candidate when he's really a diehard Dem.  Barring the nomination, Trump will run as an Independent, regardless of any silly pledge.  This guy had all sorts of details about golf outings and other secret meetings; sweetheart financing deals made to Trump's businesses through Bob Rubin and other ex-Clinton administration financiers.  It was fascinating, really. 
Isn't this just the old "the Clintons funneled money to Perot to get back into the race" theory from 1992 recast?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 18, 2015, 11:30:32 am
Trump is so obsessed with the Trump brand that I can't imagine him doing a public goof like that. He's putting himself out there completely, his children are working overtime pumping up the Trump For Prez line, he's spending and losing money at a huge rate,  he's taking hits left and right and doubling down on all of them.

I think this is a legit effort. It's a lark for him but I think he genuinely wants to be president.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 18, 2015, 11:57:10 am
but does, he, have a large cock?  I bet he does.  I wonder if his cock has a comb,over?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 18, 2015, 12:05:42 pm
but does, he, have a large cock?  I bet he does.  I wonder if his cock has a comb,over?

He wears size 12 shoes.

Though the website that said that also said he's 6'2" 198 pounds, which is probably off by 50 pounds.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 18, 2015, 12:10:57 pm
Though the website that said that also said he's 6'2" 198 pounds, which is probably off by 50 pounds.
As the resident SHITLORD, I want to express my strong resentment at the absurd lie he only weighs 198 pounds. No fucking way.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 18, 2015, 12:11:19 pm
I wonder if his cock has a comb,over?
He has a merkin, but he refuses to admit it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 18, 2015, 12:12:43 pm
I wonder if his cock has a comb,over?
He has a merkin, but he refuses to admit it.

Another site said 253. That's probably more accurate. Sorry, that's in reference to your previous weight post.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 18, 2015, 12:38:52 pm
Another site said 253. That's probably more accurate. Sorry, that's in reference to your previous weight post.
If he's 6'2", that makes sense with his build.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 18, 2015, 12:47:48 pm
Nobody's mentioned the Trojan Horse Theory?

I was sitting near these two guys at a conference earlier this week and one of them wouldn't stop talking to the other one about how Trump and the Clintons are in a secret plot to undermine the Republican chances in 2016 by putting Trump out there as a legitimate GOP candidate when he's really a diehard Dem.  Barring the nomination, Trump will run as an Independent, regardless of any silly pledge.  This guy had all sorts of details about golf outings and other secret meetings; sweetheart financing deals made to Trump's businesses through Bob Rubin and other ex-Clinton administration financiers.  It was fascinating, really. 
Isn't this just the old "the Clintons funneled money to Perot to get back into the race" theory from 1992 recast?

It worked then, didn't it?  Those Clintons are some crafty motherfuckers...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 18, 2015, 12:49:28 pm
Nobody's mentioned the Trojan Horse Theory?

I was sitting near these two guys at a conference earlier this week and one of them wouldn't stop talking to the other one about how Trump and the Clintons are in a secret plot to undermine the Republican chances in 2016 by putting Trump out there as a legitimate GOP candidate when he's really a diehard Dem.  Barring the nomination, Trump will run as an Independent, regardless of any silly pledge.  This guy had all sorts of details about golf outings and other secret meetings; sweetheart financing deals made to Trump's businesses through Bob Rubin and other ex-Clinton administration financiers.  It was fascinating, really. 
Isn't this just the old "the Clintons funneled money to Perot to get back into the race" theory from 1992 recast?

It worked then, didn't it?  Those Clintons are some crafty motherfuckers...
They won't leave any loose ends like Vince Foster this time around, though.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 18, 2015, 05:11:24 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-rand-paul-aide-accuses-top-marco-rubio-aide-of-punching-him-in-the-face/ar-AAetltC?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=UP97DHP
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on September 18, 2015, 07:27:38 pm
Pussies.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 18, 2015, 10:22:32 pm
the trump train, is ending.  off the tracks it is heading.  when your fan base is rebel flag waving, white power screaming, kill all muslims thinking, cracker barrel eating, sister fucking dreaming, nascar and Budweiser living kind of people . . . then you know it ain,t going to last.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 19, 2015, 07:41:45 am
you really shouldn't talk about your neighbors like that
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on September 20, 2015, 02:44:05 pm
the trump train, is ending.  off the tracks it is heading.  when your fan base is rebel flag waving, white power screaming, kill all muslims thinking, cracker barrel eating, sister fucking dreaming, nascar and Budweiser living kind of people . . . then you know it ain,t going to last.

I read this in a Yoda voice. It was excellent.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on September 20, 2015, 02:45:21 pm
"...going to last it ain't"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 21, 2015, 02:13:35 pm
(http://election.princeton.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/summer-of-trump-ends.jpg)

Quote
Just in time for the autumn equinox on Wednesday, the Summer of Trump may be waning. Two surveys are now out with samples entirely postdating GOP debate #2. The fraction of GOP voters willing to go with outsiders who have never held office (Trump, Carson, Fiorina) still adds up to over 50 percent, but they have redistributed a bit.

Considering Fiorina?s problems with accuracy and her dismal performance as Hewlett-Packard?s CEO, it seems likely that her rise will also be transient. If 2012 is a guide, she will last one or two months then fade, just as Cain, Gingrich, Santorum, and Bachmann did.

Walker?s fallen below 2% and Jeb! is stuck around 8%. Assuming those trends persist, the highest-finishing serious candidate is Marco Rubio. As I have said before (link to The New Republic), Rubio is a relatively likely consensus candidate. In the past, the GOP has usually settled on a strong general-election candidate. Rubio polls relatively well against likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. If the past is a guide, then at some point party donors/actors and primary voters may fall into line.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 21, 2015, 03:09:02 pm
I just can not see joe-6-pack republican voting for Rubio in the general
I 'like' him more than most and he is a good candidate, but those people who are excited about trump...are really going to have a hard time doing an about face and voting for Rubio

I swear that I could tell really early on that Romney was going to be the one to go all the way
but I look at this crowd and I know it's not going to be cruz, but that's about it

The Republicans, while I'm sure they are annoyed that Trump is stealing headlines and all the air in the room...he is getting people engaged.  Maybe like watching a car crash and you can't look away
but the viewership is setting records (I think)

So it's good that people are engaged
Let's hope they might actually pay attention and not vote for who has the best Ad team (and wallet)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2015, 03:11:18 pm
Rubio is a warmonger.. I can't see how anybody can see past that...What exactly makes him a "good candidate" anyways? The fact he's a good debater and looks like a Latino Ken doll?

I guess if you want boots in the ground in Syria, an invasion of Cuba, he's your man.



Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 21, 2015, 03:16:57 pm
What exactly makes him a "good candidate" anyways? The fact he's a good debater and looks like a Latino Ken doll?
exactly!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2015, 03:21:48 pm
What exactly makes him a "good candidate" anyways? The fact he's a good debater and looks like a Latino Ken doll?
exactly!

The last thing the country needs is a Republican from the warmonger/neocon faction of the party...maybe I should ask what you like bout Rubio?

By the way Space Freely must be having a tough time between Trump and Carson who seem to be dueling for the anti-muslim vote
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 21, 2015, 03:23:07 pm
Rubio seems like a logical in-the-middle man between the establishment guys who are shitting the bed (Bush, Paul, Christie, Cruz) and the maverick upstarts that have no idea what it means to be president (Trump, Fiorina, Carson).

He thinks fast on his feet, looks foreign enough that conservatives can feel good about inclusiveness, and portrays his right-wing tendencies in a soft compassionate context. His negatives are that he looks like he's 14, has a quivery wussy voice, has accomplished the least among the establishment names, and has his rich history/backstory somewhat compromised by the fact that he lied about it and got nailed.

His embellished backstory issue probably won't hurt him too much unless he does something similar. I think there's a narrative of "Rubio is ambitious enough to kill a guy" swirling around him and anything that slides neatly into that story arc will be heartily welcomed by the media and myself.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2015, 03:28:33 pm
Rubio seems like a logical in-the-middle man between the establishment guys who are shitting the bed (Bush, Paul, Christie, Cruz) and the maverick upstarts that have no idea what it means to be president (Trump, Fiorina, Carson).

He thinks fast on his feet, looks foreign enough that conservatives can feel good about inclusiveness, and portrays his right-wing tendencies in a soft compassionate context. His negatives are that he looks like he's 14, has a quivery wussy voice, has accomplished the least among the establishment names, and has his rich history/backstory somewhat compromised by the fact that he lied about it and got nailed.

His embellished backstory issue probably won't hurt him too much unless he does something similar. I think there's a narrative of "Rubio is ambitious enough to kill a guy" swirling around him and anything that slides neatly into that story arc will be heartily welcomed by the media and myself.
Pretty good analysis..

I think he could be a threat next year....but like I said..the guy is a warmonger.... the country is sick and tired of war.. a Rubio presidency is a return to the Bush years in the most important issue the Executive  affects: foreign policy.... he'd surround himself with the same neocon bozos and we'd soon enough be committing a new generation of hired soldiers into the next pointless conflict, run up our debt again..

contrary to what the Republicans think the US cannot solve all the world's problems through war.

I shudder at the thought..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 21, 2015, 03:30:55 pm
He thinks fast on his feet, looks foreign enough that [people] can feel good about inclusiveness, and portrays his right-wing tendencies in a soft compassionate context. His negatives are that he looks like he's 14, has a quivery wussy voice, has accomplished the least among the establishment names...
2008 Obama is running again?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 21, 2015, 03:33:43 pm
I agree with Relaxer's statements, I honestly have not delved deep into his foreign policy stuff

the fact that he's a major social conservative too, makes it pretty impossible for me to ever vote for him

But he is a very together speaker and can talk off the cuff intelligently
he's got charisma, I'll give you that
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2015, 03:39:00 pm
He thinks fast on his feet, looks foreign enough that [people] can feel good about inclusiveness, and portrays his right-wing tendencies in a soft compassionate context. His negatives are that he looks like he's 14, has a quivery wussy voice, has accomplished the least among the establishment names...
2008 Obama is running again?

 Obama was always a fairly pragmatic conservative democrat once he got to Washington DC... people just wanted to believe he was very liberal...I don't recall him ever really pandering to the left.... the left just gave him a pass because he could present himself as having been against the Iraq war debacle unlike warmonger Hillary...so they thought "ah ha he is one of us!"


Rubio is a right winger trying to pretend he is not..

I'd say its very different but I hear this comparison all the time but its really based on age, looks, ethnicity, good speakers etc... and not their political alignment or substance...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 21, 2015, 03:41:47 pm
I agree that the prevailing trend among the GOP is to talk tough, but I see this as more pandering to idiots than saber-rattling. All these candidates repeatedly say that Obama fucked up by not taking a stronger position in Syria, Iran, Ukraine, etc. And then they're rightly asked, well Obama has been using sanctions and diplomatic condemnation in these areas, what exactly would you do differently?

And really, I can't remember hearing anyone say "We need 20,000 troops on the ground, with most of them being beloved grandsons from the states of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania" or even just saying, I'd go in there with troops. So they want something more than diplomacy but less than troops. Heeeyyyyy, maybe it's time to get those drones out of the attic.

Anyway, I think they're just playing it cute so they can criticize Obama, no matter what. Nothing makes a Republican hornier right now than hearing someone snarl "Do you know what Obama did?" It doesn't even matter what they're talking about.

Candidate: "Do you know what Obama did?"

Typical GOP Crowd: "MUSLIM" "Took away my healthcare?" "Wiped his ass with a dead soldier's coffin flag?" "Put out a new mixtape?" "Took off his pants and sat on a crucifix?"

Candidate: "He had BREAKFAST"

Typical GOP Crowd: "MUSLIMS DON'T EAT BREAKFAST THEY JIHAD" "I BET HE ATE IT WITH HIS MOUTH" "HE HAD SOCIALIST WAFFLES LIKE A SOCIALIST" "Cop-killers always eat breakfast!"

I think the one and only positive result of the W administration is that people now realize that presidents can be lying fucking assholes who go to war for the pure and simple reason that they would like to. And I question whether a President Rubio would have the gravitas and the dickbag to launch a pre-emptive strike on someone.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 21, 2015, 03:44:05 pm
the left just gave him a pass because he could present himself as having been against the Iraq war debacle unlike warmonger Hillary...
This is probably the truest thing ever. His whole campaign against Hillary was "I openly admit I would've voted the same way Hillary did but because I held no national office at the time it came up for vote, you should view me in a different light." It was stunning how many on here ate it with a spoon.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 21, 2015, 03:47:45 pm
I could easily be mistaken but I thought in 08, Obama tried to make the case that while he wasn't in the Congress at the time (and therefore unable to vote on Iraq), he would've voted against it and as proof, pointed to statements he made as a state senator condemning the invasion.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 21, 2015, 03:59:36 pm
I'm just impressed that Zack De La Rocha and Tom Morello predicted the Trump for President thing all the way back in 1999:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w211KOQ5BMI  (see the 1:04 mark).
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2015, 04:36:30 pm
I could easily be mistaken but I thought in 08, Obama tried to make the case that while he wasn't in the Congress at the time (and therefore unable to vote on Iraq), he would've voted against it and as proof, pointed to statements he made as a state senator condemning the invasion.

This is true.. he was a State Representative representing a very very liberal small area in South Chicago...and he went on a local access TV show and of course everything was incredibly liberal......this is what I mean by he could present himself as having been against the war...but its also true that after that local access show he said different things.. and OF COURSE he was going to say he was against the invasion when he was a State Rep for a very liberal district...had he not said that he'd have lost his job...

Far harder was to say you were against the invasion when you were a national senator with presidential aspirations in a post 9-11 world and political environment from the state most affected by the attack.... obviously Hillary could not foresee the incredible debacle that would ensue.. .had Bush simply declared victory and left (he wisely declared victory but failed to leave..this was the huge problem) things could have been very different... after taking Baghdad we should have just left..of course we should have never invaded in the first place but that's all water under the bridge...

I do find it strange that one of the only wise things Bush did was to declare victory for which he was mercilessly criticized...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 21, 2015, 04:53:31 pm
(http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/fox_fns_walker_unions_150301a-800x430.jpg)

"sigh (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/21/scott-walker-said-to-be-quitting-presidential-race/)"

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 21, 2015, 04:58:31 pm
He can go back to making Minwax commercials (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4COhEGRCU)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 21, 2015, 06:00:24 pm

I do find it strange that one of the only wise things Bush did was to declare victory for which he was mercilessly criticized...

...not sure I understand what you are saying here
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 21, 2015, 06:01:06 pm
He can go back to making Minwax commercials (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4COhEGRCU)
so is he the pizza delivery guy  ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 21, 2015, 07:28:07 pm
What exactly makes him a "good candidate" anyways? The fact he's a good debater and looks like a Latino Ken doll?
exactly!

The last thing the country needs is a Republican from the warmonger/neocon faction of the party...maybe I should ask what you like bout Rubio?

By the way Space Freely must be having a tough time between Trump and Carson who seem to be dueling for the anti-muslim vote

I'm not a one issue voter.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2015, 07:49:50 pm

I do find it strange that one of the only wise things Bush did was to declare victory for which he was mercilessly criticized...

...not sure I understand what you are saying here


seems rather obvious to me.

you fight a war.. you say you won and you get out... we should have said we toppled saddam's government and achieved our objectives....  had we not interfered AFTER we toppled the government its very probable that the Sunnis would have retained power and we would not have strengthened our enemies as we ended up doing... Iran's position in the region was strengthened with the Shiites taking over and the sunnis eventually got tired of it and formed Isis...

Bush should have declared victory far sooner and we should have gotten everybody out... we could have come out looking like winners, saved a ton of money, and lives.. and its hard to imagine things could have gone much worse..

Of course, we should never have gone in in the first place but back then that was a very unpopular stance.. I can still remember CNN telling us that once we made the decision to go in to protest was unpatriotic...and I can remember for years afterwards turning up for the protests and it was a few dozen people!! Now EVERYBODY suddenly claims they were against it of course....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2015, 07:50:44 pm
What exactly makes him a "good candidate" anyways? The fact he's a good debater and looks like a Latino Ken doll?
exactly!

The last thing the country needs is a Republican from the warmonger/neocon faction of the party...maybe I should ask what you like bout Rubio?

By the way Space Freely must be having a tough time between Trump and Carson who seem to be dueling for the anti-muslim vote

I'm not a one issue voter.

just a one issue poster?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 21, 2015, 08:09:19 pm
What exactly makes him a "good candidate" anyways? The fact he's a good debater and looks like a Latino Ken doll?
exactly!

The last thing the country needs is a Republican from the warmonger/neocon faction of the party...maybe I should ask what you like bout Rubio?

By the way Space Freely must be having a tough time between Trump and Carson who seem to be dueling for the anti-muslim vote

I'm not a one issue voter.

just a one issue poster?

I'm pro gay-rights/marriage, pro-choice, pro-science, believe in climate change, am a moderate on gun possession/control, am in favor of legal immigration, pro marijuana legalization, pro public education, am fiscally conservative, strong supporter of freedom of speech, as well as being in favor of separation of church and state.  I would not support Carson because of he would inject his fundamentalist views into his decision making, and I wouldn't support Trump because he's a nut. Anything else? What candidate do you think best matches me?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2015, 08:12:53 pm
What exactly makes him a "good candidate" anyways? The fact he's a good debater and looks like a Latino Ken doll?
exactly!

The last thing the country needs is a Republican from the warmonger/neocon faction of the party...maybe I should ask what you like bout Rubio?

By the way Space Freely must be having a tough time between Trump and Carson who seem to be dueling for the anti-muslim vote

I'm not a one issue voter.

just a one issue poster?

I'm pro gay-rights/marriage, pro-choice, pro-science, believe in climate change, am a moderate on gun possession/control, am in favor of legal immigration, pro marijuana legalization, pro public education, am fiscally conservative, as well as being in favor of separation of church and state.  I would not support Carson because of he would inject his fundamentalist views into his decision making, and I wouldn't support Trump because he's a nut. Anything else? What candidate do you think best matches me?

funny...all you post about is muslims...

don't kid yourself, you'll be gritting your teeth and pulling the lever for the democrat...whoever it is.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 21, 2015, 08:48:46 pm
What exactly makes him a "good candidate" anyways? The fact he's a good debater and looks like a Latino Ken doll?
exactly!

The last thing the country needs is a Republican from the warmonger/neocon faction of the party...maybe I should ask what you like bout Rubio?

By the way Space Freely must be having a tough time between Trump and Carson who seem to be dueling for the anti-muslim vote

I'm not a one issue voter.

just a one issue poster?

I'm pro gay-rights/marriage, pro-choice, pro-science, believe in climate change, am a moderate on gun possession/control, am in favor of legal immigration, pro marijuana legalization, pro public education, am fiscally conservative, as well as being in favor of separation of church and state.  I would not support Carson because of he would inject his fundamentalist views into his decision making, and I wouldn't support Trump because he's a nut. Anything else? What candidate do you think best matches me?

funny...all you post about is muslims...

don't kid yourself, you'll be gritting your teeth and pulling the lever for the democrat...whoever it is.

Why is that funny? The non-questioning by liberals of the  misogynistic, homophobic, undemocratic Islamic political systems around the world needs to be called out. And what better place to call it out than on a board populated almost entirely by sanctimonious liberals???  ;)

I don't think i have major beefs with too any other liberal pet projects, at least not at the moment.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 21, 2015, 08:50:58 pm
 There are lots of liberals who call out Muslims. Bill Maher for one.   
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 21, 2015, 08:54:32 pm
all this reading and thinking is making my future self of wondering if I should care, hurt . . . so allow me to put this little gem here.


http://gawker.com/pizza-rat-pizza-rat-i-love-you-1732117248


Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 21, 2015, 09:05:10 pm
There are lots of liberals who call out Muslims. Bill Maher for one.   

I wasn't aware that Bill Maher posted on this board. Wouldn't it be fun if he did? Kanye would be a fun forum member as well. And Father John Misty.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 21, 2015, 09:08:53 pm
Bill Maher for one.   
does really seem like a party of one....
a satirist has an odd place in society and he can say what others won't and start the conversation that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't said out loud at all
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 21, 2015, 09:17:58 pm
Bill Maher for one.   
does really seem like a party of one....
a satirist has an odd place in society and he can say what others won't and start the conversation that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't said out loud at all

Party of one? Really? I bet a good many of these folks are liberals.

https://www.facebook.com/exmna

Or this guy.

https://www.facebook.com/ali.a.rizvi

Or Raif Badawi.

Or this guy:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/21/don-t-call-me-porch-monkey.html?via=mobile&source=twitter
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 21, 2015, 10:47:11 pm
ok party of 1.125
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on September 22, 2015, 01:38:47 pm
its a very sensitive subject...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 22, 2015, 05:46:23 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/22/in-interview-donald-trump-denies-report-of-fathers-arrest-in-1927/
Trump's father arrested at KKK rally.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 24, 2015, 02:08:59 pm
72% of Americans think Trump is right!

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-24/most-agree-with-trump-on-america-s-lost-greatness-bloomberg-poll-finds
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on September 24, 2015, 04:50:46 pm
72% of Americans think Trump is right!

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-24/most-agree-with-trump-on-america-s-lost-greatness-bloomberg-poll-finds

to which i say:

Why Republicans are starting to panic, in 1 paragraph
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/23/why-republicans-are-starting-to-panic-in-1-paragraph/

woe, the tyranny of demographics...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 25, 2015, 09:40:52 am
It's not Trump-related, or even all that connected to the election, but Boehner is leaving Congress next month. Cry atcha later, Bone.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 25, 2015, 09:50:28 am
It's not Trump-related, or even all that connected to the election, but Boehner is leaving Congress next month. Cry atcha later, Bone.
wow makes me want to party!
wonder if there is some blackmail that has him just stepping down and pretty much surprising everone

this is nice...hope its true

"With the speakers decision, a shutdown is a lot less likely," said David Jolly (R-Fla.), explaining that conservatives will now be able to claim a "small victory."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 25, 2015, 09:52:21 am
It's not Trump-related, or even all that connected to the election, but Boehner is leaving Congress next month. Cry atcha later, Bone.
wow makes me want to party!
wonder if there is some blackmail that has him just stepping down and pretty much surprising everone

this is nice...hope its true

"With the speakers decision, a shutdown is a lot less likely," said David Jolly (R-Fla.), explaining that conservatives will now be able to claim a "small victory."

I was going to post the same quote. What the hell does it even mean?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 25, 2015, 11:09:31 am
It's not Trump-related, or even all that connected to the election, but Boehner is leaving Congress next month. Cry atcha later, Bone.
wow makes me want to party!
wonder if there is some blackmail that has him just stepping down and pretty much surprising everone

this is nice...hope its true

"With the speakers decision, a shutdown is a lot less likely," said David Jolly (R-Fla.), explaining that conservatives will now be able to claim a "small victory."

I was going to post the same quote. What the hell does it even mean?

Boehner is a moderate (within the GOP).  He was under pressure from the very conservative wing to shut down the government if Planned Parenthood wasn't de-funded.  The threat was that if he didn't do so the conservative wing would oust him from the speaker position.  Since he has given it up on his own, he can't be bullied any longer.  He also doesn't have to use his sway on other moderate Republicans.  There won't be enough anti-Planned Parenthood types to shut down the government, but they can point to Boehner's resignation and claim that they forced him to step down.  Everyone wins!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on September 25, 2015, 12:30:49 pm
The Pope inspired him to do it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 25, 2015, 01:03:35 pm
The Pope inspired him to do it.

Wouldn't the pope be all in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 25, 2015, 01:09:30 pm
The Pope inspired him to do it.

Wouldn't the pope be all in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood?

Why would he want to defund an org that reduces abortion?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on September 25, 2015, 01:18:23 pm
Wouldn't the pope be all in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood?

Probably just the 3% that goes to Abortion, of which none is Federal Funding, so maybe he gets it's just a sham? 

He's already begun the papal backtrack on contraception and family planning in developing countries, so I don't think he really cares one bit about the Congressional grandstanding....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 25, 2015, 01:35:51 pm
Wouldn't the pope be all in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood?

Probably just the 3% that goes to Abortion, of which none is Federal Funding, so maybe he gets it's just a sham? 

He's already begun the papal backtrack on contraception and family planning in developing countries, so I don't think he really cares one bit about the Congressional grandstanding....

Your 3% figure is meaningless and silly.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/05/07/_3_percent_of_planned_parenthood_s_services_are_abortion_but_what_about.html

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on September 25, 2015, 03:04:58 pm
Your 3% figure is meaningless and silly.

Make it 100%, I don't care.  Doesn't change the premise - the Hyde Amendment means no Federal dollars can be used...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 25, 2015, 03:12:34 pm
Your 3% figure is meaningless and silly.

Make it 100%, I don't care.  Doesn't change the premise - the Hyde Amendment means no Federal dollars can be used...

Which is exactly why they should spin off the baby-killing arm into an independent standalone entity funded through private donations.  Then the de-funders wouldn't have a case.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 25, 2015, 03:33:40 pm
Your 3% figure is meaningless and silly.

Make it 100%, I don't care.  Doesn't change the premise - the Hyde Amendment means no Federal dollars can be used...

Which is exactly why they should spin off the baby-killing arm into an independent standalone entity funded through private donations.  Then the de-funders wouldn't have a case.
kinda been my thinking too...but I guess the fear is that if they split it off it will be an easier target with little room to defend it's reason for being (against the religious right that is)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on September 25, 2015, 03:55:15 pm

Which is exactly why they should spin off the baby-killing arm into an independent standalone entity funded through private donations.  Then the de-funders wouldn't have a case.

Gee, what objective rhetoric you use in calling it their baby-killing arm. I prefer to call it The Safe Place for Women's Private Choices.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 25, 2015, 04:03:26 pm

Which is exactly why they should spin off the baby-killing arm into an independent standalone entity funded through private donations.  Then the de-funders wouldn't have a case.

Gee, what objective rhetoric you use in calling it their baby-killing arm. I prefer to call it The Safe Place for Women's Private Choices.

I am objectively in favor of ready access to the Private Choice.  A lot of positive externalities to killing the unwanted ones.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: godsshoeshine on September 25, 2015, 09:15:58 pm
nothing will placate the opponents of planned parenthood, including a non-profit governance maneuver
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2015, 03:21:55 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12009671_1638682609681937_3023497844952548688_n.jpg?oh=48aa708a389000d9a0ffd954d3cc16a1&oe=569A6BCF)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 29, 2015, 04:51:52 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/magazine/donald-trump-is-not-going-anywhere.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on September 29, 2015, 05:20:26 pm
Looks like Space Freely's views are in the mainstream.....in North Carolina.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/29/new-poll-finds-anti-muslim-sentiment-frighteningly-high/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 29, 2015, 05:31:22 pm
Looks like Space Freely's views are in the mainstream.....in North Carolina.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/29/new-poll-finds-anti-muslim-sentiment-frighteningly-high/

If you're going to attempt to post something that speaks for me, you'd be better off posting this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLN9ZHNA_3c

Note: Ben Stiller is my guy, not Casey Kasem.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 29, 2015, 05:32:36 pm
America, has to always hate someone.  first it was black people, then jewish people, then women people, then gay people, then fat people, now muslim people.  I wonder, who will be next.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2015, 05:37:48 pm
I wonder, who will be next.

comma-abusing people.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on September 29, 2015, 05:39:01 pm
damn
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on September 29, 2015, 06:13:07 pm
America, has to always hate someone.  first it was black people, then jewish people, then women people, then gay people, then fat people, now muslim people.  I wonder, who will be next.

Socilalists and Atheists get the least love. Followed by Muslims, evengelical Christians, and gays.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/20/ben-carson-says-a-muslim-shouldnt-be-president-many-americans-agree/

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 29, 2015, 06:57:14 pm
damn
I know, you seem to be getting it from all sides in the past week
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on September 29, 2015, 06:59:21 pm
America, has to always hate someone.  first it was black people, then jewish people, then women people, then gay people, then fat people, now muslim people.  I wonder, who will be next.

Socilalists and Atheists get the least love. Followed by Muslims, evengelical Christians, and gays.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/20/ben-carson-says-a-muslim-shouldnt-be-president-many-americans-agree/


the good thing about being a socilalist atheist is they are hard to pick out in a line up
but they do tend to be found in coffee shops, so avoid them when the witch hunts begin
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on October 02, 2015, 09:27:21 am
(http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015830/rs_641x749-150930134621-don.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 08, 2015, 02:13:41 pm
Maybe we should just elect Carson president (http://www.marketplace.org/topics/elections/full-interview-dr-ben-carson-economy)

Quote
Ryssdal: Assuming you win, and we have in January of 2017, President Carson, what is your government going to look like?

Carson: Well it?s going to look like something that is looking out for every segment of our society. It?s going to be a government that recognizes that we only have 330 million people, and we?re competing on a global scale, global stage against China, India, both of whom have over a billion people. We need to maximize the potential of every single one of our people. You know, we need to understand that education is the great divide in our nation. There?s going to be a much more emphasis on educational choice. Also, recognizing that if we get defense wrong, nothing else matters, because we live in a hostile world. So you?re going to see our military capabilities improve quite substantially. You?re going to see us really taking care of our veterans rather than just talking about it. Recognizing that we have a 14 percent decrease in people applying for our volunteer military. That?s going to hurt us badly in the long run. You?re going to see us concentrating on our vulnerabilities, like our electrical grid, which is woefully vulnerable right now, from a number of possibilities. You?re going to see us beef up our cyber capabilities substantially, you?re going to see us respond to people who attack us in a way that they will never forget. You're going to see us get back into space, understanding that so many inventions came out of the space program. We cannot get behind in innovation, and in the future, he who controls space controls the Earth.

You're going to see much more proactive stance towards someone like Putin, you know, we're going to be much more active throughout the whole Baltic basin area, Eastern Europe, we're going to reestablish missile defense program, we're going to have more than one or two armored brigades in that area. We're gonna stand up to him, every place in the Middle East, we're not gonna back down. We're going to use our energy resources in an appropriate way, get rid of the energy exportation rules uh, that are archaic, put into place in the 1970s. We don't need those anymore. We're going to use the EPA to work with business, industry and academia to find the cleanest, most environmentally friendly ways to exploit our tremendous energy resources. We're going to use those to make Europe dependent on us for energy rather than Putin, put him back in his little box where he belongs. We're going to be taking a whole geopolitical strategy that is proactive, and not reactive.

Ryssdal: And just so I'm clear, you're going to do this while balancing the budget, not raising the debt and cutting the size of the government?

Carson: Exactly.


Ryssdal: OK.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 08, 2015, 02:21:09 pm
The most absurd thing in that is his idea that the US will, one day, be the natural resources provider for Europe instead of Russia and the middle East. That's just so insane it betrays a complete lack of understanding of geography and simple science.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on October 08, 2015, 02:24:10 pm
so who's the bigger clown - trump or carson?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 08, 2015, 02:34:22 pm
so who's the bigger clown - trump or carson?

I mean, they're both rapeshit crazy stupid mess-making idiots, but at least Trump is entertaining. Carson is one of those people who has perfected the art of confident delivery. He just seems so sure of what he's saying with his pronouncements of how easy it would be to make American great again. So if you don't want to think very hard -- which describes many, many Republicans -- then it's easy to say, well I'm sure he knows what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 08, 2015, 02:37:05 pm
so who's the bigger clown - trump or carson?

I mean, they're both rapeshit crazy stupid mess-making idiots, but at least Trump is entertaining. Carson is one of those people who has perfected the art of confident delivery. He just seems so sure of what he's saying with his pronouncements of how easy it would be to make American great again. So if you don't want to think very hard -- which describes many, many Republicans -- then it's easy to say, well I'm sure he knows what he's talking about.
I was going to type up something very similar to this. Carson is definitely the more "dangerous" candidate because some people actually believe there's substance there opposed to Trump. But that really doesn't address Sweet's question. Dangerous =/= crazy.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 08, 2015, 02:44:41 pm
But I think the overall narrative on Trump is that he's a buffoon who doesn't really take this all very seriously. I just cannot imagine that Trump becomes the GOP nominee. There's too much out there on him, and he's constantly at risk of going nuclear in a debate or an interview. But Carson is more of a smiling enigma that never seems to get ruffled. I don't think he'd survive the scrutiny either, but there's something chilling about him.

Honestly, Walker was the one I feared the most until he face-planted. Man, that guy is such a dweeb.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 08, 2015, 02:50:29 pm
Honestly, Walker was the one I feared the most until he face-planted. Man, that guy is such a dweeb.
If you told me Scott Walker wasn't going to be the nominee a year ago (sans scandal, dying, etc) I would've ate my hat. He really was the one person they could run out there who could win a national election. Of course, they then ate themselves as they are wont to do of late.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on October 08, 2015, 02:53:28 pm
Honestly, Walker was the one I feared the most until he face-planted. Man, that guy is such a dweeb.
If you told me Scott Walker wasn't going to be the nominee a year ago (sans scandal, dying, etc) I would've ate my hat. He really was the one person they could run out there who could win a national election. Of course, they then ate themselves as they are wont to do of late.

Would this country really elect someone without a college degree?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 08, 2015, 02:55:31 pm
(http://billpomerenk.com/travel/presidents/Harry_Truman/Harry_Truman.jpg)

"Fuck you"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 08, 2015, 02:58:54 pm
Would this country really elect someone without a college degree?
There are entire swaths of this country where "college educated" is a slur.

I put the odds of a non-college educated President astronomically higher than a gay, religious affiliation non-Christian*, vegetarian/vegan, or atheist President in 2016.


* - To clarify I mean "openly" non-one of those things. Someone who doesn't really believe in the Bible but attends church on camera and calls themselves a Christian counts as "Christian" for these purposes.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 08, 2015, 03:25:11 pm
Ben Carson was a great surgeon.  I have no clue why he thinks he could be president.  0 experience.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 08, 2015, 03:45:07 pm
Ben Carson was a great surgeon.  I have no clue why he thinks he could be president.  0 experience.

Barack Obama was a great community organizer. I have no clue why he thinks he could be president. 0 experience.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 08, 2015, 03:50:34 pm
Well, that's kind of cheating since he was a senator too. Obviously I'm not above cheating, per my Truman post on the previous page, but the bottom line is LCD Soundsystem is not reuniting at Coachella.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 08, 2015, 03:53:08 pm
Trump and Carson are both savants in their respective fields. Everywhere else they are out of their depths. Carson's apparent reserve is just the steely nerves of a surgeon.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 08, 2015, 03:57:34 pm
I wish I could've been a savant at surgery or international business instead of being a savant at eating old popcorn someone left behind in the previous showing of "Paul Blart Mallcop 2"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on October 08, 2015, 04:12:07 pm
Well, that's kind of cheating

funny, i think of more as obtuse.  did obama have any experience as president?  no (no one does, unless you're seeking a second term).  did he have political and legislative experience?  why yes, yes he did. 

he was also a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law at the university of chicago's law school... so, you know, he knew was he was getting into.  clearly unlike carson or trump, who don't know where federal laws end and states' rights start.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 08, 2015, 04:18:22 pm
Having knowledge on a subject =/= "experience."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on October 08, 2015, 05:00:15 pm
Having knowledge on a subject =/= "experience."
did he have political and legislative experience?  why yes, yes he did. 

and agreed that knowledge =/= "experience", but the next best thing is being a professor on the topic at a top-flight law school.  carson and trump have no idea what the relationships are between congress and the white house, who decides what, who can make the other do what, what the mechanics are... whereas obama taught on the topic.

look, we get it.  you're still butthurt that obama won and hillary didn't.  cheer up, you girl is getting a second at-bat.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 13, 2015, 04:39:03 pm
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151012123219-homepage-t1-democratic-candidates-101215-exlarge-169.jpg)

For some reason, I'm just not that excited about this one. I'll still watch it because it's a good excuse to get wasted, but there will be a hole that only an orange-haired billionaire balloon can fill.

That said, I think there's a 35% chance that Martin O'Malley takes off his shirt at some point. Dude needs to make waves. He could even play it off by saying "Ahhhh, much better, no one needs the chafee, ya know?"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on October 13, 2015, 04:40:51 pm
totally pointless debate...I may tune in during baseball commercial breaks

there is no compelling reason to watch this...

Hillary 2016
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on October 13, 2015, 04:43:02 pm
Fear not -- https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/653868764094722048?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 13, 2015, 04:52:38 pm
Well, I know that Trump on Twitter is a very special thing, but I cannot imagine that he'll be very quick on the draw. He'll make some comment about an answer that was given 7 questions earlier.

That said, I do hope to hear that "HRC looks like golden retriever left out in rain. Unique smell!"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 13, 2015, 04:59:45 pm
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5812/22133142922_27dda6a10e_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 13, 2015, 05:04:43 pm
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/716/21523023054_3a746fa08e_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 13, 2015, 05:11:19 pm
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/625/22145969905_c52da2219f_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on October 13, 2015, 09:19:52 pm
but I cannot imagine that he'll be very quick on the draw.
well you were wrong....as we know, trolling is easy
but for someone who wants to be president is just childish
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on October 14, 2015, 12:15:47 pm
jeebus... cnn.com is straight-up fellating hillary.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on October 14, 2015, 12:35:57 pm
jeebus... cnn.com is straight-up fellating hillary.

good good...she's so damn likable too...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 14, 2015, 12:36:33 pm
jeebus... cnn.com is straight-up fellating hillary.
As they should.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on October 22, 2015, 10:08:57 am
Your Drunk Neighbor: Donald Trump (https://www.patreon.com/posts/your-drunk-trump-3523042)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on October 22, 2015, 01:47:33 pm
Ben Carson shills for Manantech, promotes supplements as a cure for cancer. (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/10/09/mannatech-ben-carsons-lack-of-critical-thinking-skills-extends-to-medicine-as-well/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on October 28, 2015, 01:35:30 am
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151027102347-trump-exlarge-169.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 28, 2015, 08:59:22 am
I can't tell if that's a pumpkin, a love-pillow, or a giant testicle.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: stevewizzle on October 28, 2015, 11:35:49 am
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151027102347-trump-exlarge-169.jpg)

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Not-Sure-What-to-do-With-Hands-Talladega-Nights-Ricky-Bobby.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on October 28, 2015, 11:38:17 am
I can't tell if that's a pumpkin, a love-pillow, or a giant testicle.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/living/painted-celebrity-pumpkins-trump-irpt/index.html
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151027111714-trumpkin-sign-irpt-medium-plus-169.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on October 28, 2015, 05:04:31 pm
Apparently Donald Trump is even better at investing than Warren Buffett:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-28/donald-trump-the-stock-picker-boasts-gains-that-nobody-can-match

But he still can't hold a candle to Hillary, who managed to beat odds ofone in 31 trillion (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02920493) to turn $1,000 into $100,000 the one and only time she decided to play the commodities markets.   
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on October 28, 2015, 05:24:40 pm
connections, and whispers in the dark, will do that for you.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on October 29, 2015, 10:32:23 am
so didn't watch last night and rode the bike in so no NPR recap (damn wet leaves made it sketchy)

But was hoping for some bordie insight to skewer the cads and post a good meme or two
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 29, 2015, 10:57:25 am
so didn't watch last night and rode the bike in so no NPR recap (damn wet leaves made it sketchy)

But was hoping for some bordie insight to skewer the cads and post a good meme or two

First of all, the overwhelming takeaway from the debate was that CNBC should never, ever host another debate. Virtually everything about the event was garbage. The pre-debate panel was unreal in its banality.

"Jeb Bush really needs to have a good night tonight."
"Ahhhh yes yes, hot take, etc."

And having fucking Jim Kramer coming on like a coked up Louis CK (and that's saying something) was unreal. And Rick Santelli was so aggravatingly annoying that I wanted to punch the television screen.

The whole thing was just a hot ass mess. Rubio is being judged to have "won" and he did manage to keep his quivering voice and flopsweating to a minimum. Loved the fact that Cruz spent the first half of the debate coughing and then made a pot brownie joke (that fell totally flat, of course).

Trump was ok but was invisible for too much of it. I did like his total takedown of Kasich. "You can have him!" and "FRACKING" were a few highlights.

More than anything though, CNBC's total incompetence displayed just how stupid it is to have all of these candidates at the debates. We've been in the race for a couple months now, and it's obvious that none of the Happy Hour debate candidates as well as Huckabee, Christie, Paul, Fiorina, or Kasich are going to get anywhere so they should be shut out so they get out.

Also, major LOLS at the GOP candidates accusing the Democrats of having a shallow debate.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2015, 11:30:47 am
yup..pretty much..

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on October 29, 2015, 11:50:44 am
Relaxer...they need to put you on the Air...I mean probably the 2-4am slot

Also I've been meaning to ask...can you get Ofeibea Quist-Arcton to call my voice mail and just say Dakar!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on October 29, 2015, 12:44:29 pm
Also I've been meaning to ask...can you get Ofeibea Quist-Arcton to call my voice mail and just say Dakar!

so this is a thing?  http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=582778
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 29, 2015, 12:49:58 pm
Also I've been meaning to ask...can you get Ofeibea Quist-Arcton to call my voice mail and just say Dakar!

so this is a thing?  http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=582778
I feel less weird knowing immediately what Sidehatch was referring to now that you've provided and entire subculture of people who thinks this is really noticeable.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 29, 2015, 01:33:28 pm
I tell you one thing, I COULD NOT get over Marco Rubio's ears last night. Dude is a damn elephant. Look at these shits.

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/08/11/National-Politics/Images/2016_GOP_Debate-09fac-5349.jpg)

I was tripping out on them so hard I started wondering if I was stoned and then I continued smoking huge amounts of marijuana.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on October 29, 2015, 01:34:14 pm
Marco Rubio as a precocious teen growing up on Vulcan:

(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w137/BOOM-MOO/MERLIN/vulcan.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on October 29, 2015, 02:08:40 pm
Also I've been meaning to ask...can you get Ofeibea Quist-Arcton to call my voice mail and just say Dakar!

so this is a thing?  http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=582778
I feel less weird knowing immediately what Sidehatch was referring to now that you've provided and entire subculture of people who thinks this is really noticeable.
I knew my people were out there!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on October 29, 2015, 02:42:42 pm
so didn't watch last night and rode the bike in so no NPR recap (damn wet leaves made it sketchy)

But was hoping for some bordie insight to skewer the cads and post a good meme or two

cnn has put together a 3-minute video mashup: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/republican-debate-2015-winners-losers/index.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on October 30, 2015, 01:20:49 pm
Really RNC?  Suspending your partnership with NBC News over the CNBC debate?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/skydancer30/1272964790_glenn-beck-crying.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on November 03, 2015, 05:18:50 pm
Why couldn't we have had this Barry for the past 6-7 years? (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/02/politics/obama-republicans-cnbc/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2015, 05:41:08 pm
Why couldn't we have had this Barry for the past 6-7 years? (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/02/politics/obama-republicans-cnbc/)

no doubt he's been great lately

I think there are a few reasons why we couldn't have this Barack Obama the past 6-7 years....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on November 03, 2015, 05:59:21 pm
I know, it's just such a bummer that we couldn't have had more "Cool Chill Barry" and less "Cautious Diplomatic Barack"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2015, 06:24:03 pm
I know, it's just such a bummer that we couldn't have had more "Cool Chill Barry" and less "Cautious Diplomatic Barack"


Totally with you....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 03, 2015, 06:24:44 pm
hmmm....wasn't Pot recently legalized in DC?????
makes you wonder if the choom gang is back together again??
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on November 05, 2015, 03:32:18 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTAm8EIWwAAnXp3.jpg)

Well I'm on board!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on November 05, 2015, 08:31:04 pm
Powered by pizza and anal?  What's,  not to love?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on November 05, 2015, 10:35:15 pm
A new 60-second radio ad by Ben Carson?s campaign will begin airing Friday in eight markets ? including Atlanta, Detroit and Miami. The Carson campaign is putting $150,000 behind the ad, titled ?Freedom,? which takes the form of a rap song and is aimed at African-American voters.

The ad splices the calm voice of Mr. Carson, a retired pediatric neurosurgeon, with that of the artist Aspiring Mogul over a thumping club beat, with lyrics like, ?vote and support Ben Carson, for our next president, it?d be awesome.?

?If we want to get America back on track, we gotta vote Ben Carson as a matter of fact,? the rap concludes.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/listen-ben-carsons-rap-ad-aimed-african-american/story?id=34988082
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on November 06, 2015, 04:57:47 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTE7TCsXAAAyPT1.png)

lol
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 06, 2015, 05:14:01 pm
That's hilarious. Stupid Wall Street Journal doesn't know who that man is standing to Bernie Sanders' left. He is quite famous and should be imminently recognizable to anyone who follows politics, much less a news organization who purports to cover it. How foolish. I laugh at you, WSJ, for not knowing such an obvious thing that most people -- including myself -- most assuredly know.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on November 06, 2015, 05:33:54 pm
Not a real caption.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/martin-omalley-associated-press-caption_563bc6f5e4b0307f2cacaca2
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 06, 2015, 05:43:34 pm
Good to know. I was pretty heartily laughing at the WSJ for not knowing who MARTIN O'MALLEY, TWO-TERM GOVERNOR OF MARYLAND, is. Boy, that would've been embarrassing for them.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on November 06, 2015, 05:53:08 pm
Well t'would appear that I have officially been owned. Typically I am not owned, nor do I own, but today has become a special day.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on November 06, 2015, 06:03:26 pm
Edgy Egyptian Memes just put this one up...
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12208609_1649140078702236_9048648377723723112_n.png?oh=4ce0c522b20c938a56079b39fcf3d857&oe=56B1082D)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: K8teebug on November 09, 2015, 10:29:05 am
Did anyone watch Trump on SNL? The laser harp thing was just weird. I only saw from there on. It was just so odd. This guy is actually running for President and he's not out of it yet.

I just can't with Ben Carson. Ugh.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 09, 2015, 11:24:44 am
well I was kinda waiting on Cher's endorsement (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/10/453811-cher-asked-endorsement-donald-trump-response/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Partners&utm_term=PRM17&ts_pid=2&utm_content=inf_10_74_2), so this kinda clinches it for me
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on November 09, 2015, 11:31:56 am
new cher record, new cher tour, yeahhhh.  new cher book, new cher body frangrance, yeahhhh.  and I thought this type of pre format publicity was dead.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 09, 2015, 12:40:51 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zsqtzFy.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on November 13, 2015, 10:28:17 am
beginning of the end?

Donald Trump begs Iowans not to believe Ben Carson: ?Don?t be fools, okay??
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/13/donald-trump-begs-iowans-not-to-believe-ben-carson-dont-be-fools-okay/

this is way out there, even for Trump.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on November 13, 2015, 10:45:35 am
beginning of the end?

Donald Trump begs Iowans not to believe Ben Carson: ?Don?t be fools, okay??
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/13/donald-trump-begs-iowans-not-to-believe-ben-carson-dont-be-fools-okay/

this is way out there, even for Trump.

HAHA awesome
See, this is what I've been waiting for. There had to be a moment when Trump's pole position was threatened and he'd just lash out like a motherfucker.

I mean, one year ago, could you ever imagine that the GOP presidential front runner would say to a crowd "I would bomb the shit out of them" and continue to lead the polls? I lovitz!

(http://media.giphy.com/media/yTOeNLUKKgUsU/giphy-facebook_s.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on November 13, 2015, 11:18:40 am
his, howard dean, moment?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on November 13, 2015, 12:21:03 pm
I watched this three times in a row. It's hilarious and brilliant (and only 2 minutes, so just watch it ya wieners)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v2KQHMc7E5M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v2KQHMc7E5M)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on November 13, 2015, 03:40:41 pm
it was, good.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on November 13, 2015, 04:07:34 pm
Now people are talking about drafting Mitt Romney.  That silver platter that Hillary's election is being served up on is pretty impressive.  I'm moving to Bermuda. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 13, 2015, 04:43:37 pm
so tired of the republican response of 'I moving if so and so get's elected'
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: ggw on November 13, 2015, 04:47:23 pm
Pretty sure we stole it from Sean Penn and the like back in 2000.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 13, 2015, 04:56:48 pm
Now people are talking about drafting Mitt Romney.  That silver platter that Hillary's election is being served up on is pretty impressive.  I'm moving to Bermuda. 
Good riddance, you're a dick.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 13, 2015, 05:07:48 pm
this is actually from the onion, but it's pretty spot on
(http://i.onionstatic.com/onion/5195/3/original/960.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 13, 2015, 05:19:06 pm
You will pry my diamond-encrusted cane from my cold, dead hands.

I still don't know why we don't consider returning to feudalism.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 13, 2015, 05:49:20 pm
I watched this three times in a row. It's hilarious and brilliant (and only 2 minutes, so just watch it ya wieners)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v2KQHMc7E5M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v2KQHMc7E5M)

this one is pretty great too (https://youtu.be/pL8VVZUAX5U)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on November 13, 2015, 05:57:16 pm
I watched this three times in a row. It's hilarious and brilliant (and only 2 minutes, so just watch it ya wieners)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v2KQHMc7E5M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v2KQHMc7E5M)

this one is pretty great too (https://youtu.be/pL8VVZUAX5U)

HAHA
Not quite at the level of the GOP one, but still brilliant.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 13, 2015, 06:03:32 pm
I watched this three times in a row. It's hilarious and brilliant (and only 2 minutes, so just watch it ya wieners)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v2KQHMc7E5M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v2KQHMc7E5M)

this one is pretty great too (https://youtu.be/pL8VVZUAX5U)


HAHA
Not quite at the level of the GOP one, but still brilliant.
agreed...poor jeb!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 13, 2015, 06:06:21 pm
Ok this will make you laugh
A Bad Lip Reading of the First Democratic Debate  (https://youtu.be/V_yxGsWHx9o)
Have fun in staring class
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on November 19, 2015, 11:00:22 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12219391_10153413458698401_8145053848457675632_n.jpg?oh=e5380d608b08081c594a45c162fa6c43&oe=56B51F7F)by Daniel Ryan
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2015, 02:24:27 am
the downward spiral continues: http://egbertowillies.com/2015/11/19/donald-trump-register-muslims-database/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2015, 08:37:02 am
He is securing the James Ford constituency vote...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on November 20, 2015, 09:46:59 am
He is securing the James Ford constituency vote...



Does your wife tell you how clever you are? but get your panties out of their wad, I'm likely voting for Hillary.

I'd take what that link says with a grain of salt though. Looks like a blog by a lefty wingnut rather than a certifiably trusted new source.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on November 20, 2015, 10:01:07 am
And here I thought, hutch was bored with you.   
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2015, 10:38:32 am
I'd take what that link says with a grain of salt though. Looks like a blog by a lefty wingnut rather than a certifiably trusted new source.

that blogger is definitely on the extreme left, but regardless of who posted it - trump said what he said.  clearly the right isn't going to post this stuff, it's not in their interests.

so back to the point: trump wants to line up all muslims and register them in a national database, maybe even compel them to carry special ID at all times. 

incoming references to a certain 1930's-1945 extreme-right european regime in 3... 2...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on November 20, 2015, 11:07:19 am
I'd take what that link says with a grain of salt though. Looks like a blog by a lefty wingnut rather than a certifiably trusted new source.

that blogger is definitely on the extreme left, but regardless of who posted it - trump said what he said.  clearly the right isn't going to post this stuff, it's not in their interests.

so back to the point: trump wants to line up all muslims and register them in a national database, maybe even compel them to carry special ID at all times. 

incoming references to a certain 1930's-1945 extreme-right european regime in 3... 2...

I was being facetious in my critique of the blogger. I just think it's funny sometimes in forums that people can point to a source that is clearly left or right leaning, and quote a fact that is clearly a fact from that source...and someone on the other side of the aisle will say "Well that's not right because that's a wingnut source." When in reality, a fact is a fact regardless of the source.

Anyway, just to be clear I do not agree with the Donald on this issue. I think Hutch was making a clever funny in lumping me in with the Trump/Carson's of the world, but that's Hutch for you, always trying to take the piss on me.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 23, 2015, 11:57:00 am
don..if you are going to race bait...guess you don't need facts (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/22/donald-trump-is-using-false-statistics-to-make-a-racist-point.html?via=desktop&source=facebook)

So don't like the Mexicans, Muslims, African Americans....hasn't really targeted the Norwegians yet
Watch out canned sardines...your next !!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUgNgqRWUAA7V9K.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on November 23, 2015, 12:01:43 pm
Norway does have the best metal....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dllo85ZSUk
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: stevewizzle on November 23, 2015, 12:48:50 pm
the downward spiral continues: http://egbertowillies.com/2015/11/19/donald-trump-register-muslims-database/

has anyone done a news story recently about donald trump supporters? it's probably clear to every person who watches that video that he's not capable of running this country, but what do other people see in this man? he just fires off these incredible one-liners and that's enough for majority support from the republican party?

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on November 23, 2015, 01:41:57 pm
donald 0, marine 1:
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-tayyib-rashid-muslim-marine-whose-muslimid-tweet-donald-trump-went-viral-says-he-2195091

donald on oprah in '88: a douchebag, even back then!
20 years ago, Donald Trump told Oprah he?d only run for president under one condition
http://fusion.net/story/174515/donald-trump-president-oprah-interview/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: stevewizzle on November 23, 2015, 06:18:37 pm
Donald Trump?s white fascist brigade: His rallies are now a safe space for racism (http://www.salon.com/2015/11/23/donald_trumps_white_fascist_brigade_his_rallies_are_now_a_safe_space_for_racism/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on November 23, 2015, 07:01:45 pm
Trumps's supporters seem to be mostly disgusting examples of humans.  Every single time I see an article about him, I know his followers are going to flood the comments with a deluge of garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6sZeJ8Wk6w
Just read some of those comments... WTF is wrong with people in 2015? 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 24, 2015, 03:59:57 pm
He's been making shit (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/politics/in-renovation-of-golf-club-donald-trump-also-dressed-up-history.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0) up for a while now


(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/11/25/us/25TRUMPGOLFweb2/25TRUMPGOLFweb2-articleLarge.jpg)

In a phone interview, Mr. Trump called himself a ?a big history fan,? but deflected, played down and then simply disputed the local historians? assertions of historical fact.

?That was a prime site for river crossings,? Mr. Trump said. ?So, if people are crossing the river, and you happen to be in a civil war, I would say that people were shot ? a lot of them.?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on November 24, 2015, 09:37:14 pm
the interesting thing is Trump makes up shit to serve his political ends...

I dont' worry about Trump..its Cruz who actually believes what he says (and watches what he says and how he says it) that is more concerning...that guy is dangerous

Trump is a moderate.. .where he to get the nomination you'd see him immediately tone down his game and tack to the center..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on November 24, 2015, 11:07:35 pm
Trump is a moderate.. .where he to get the nomination you'd see him immediately tone down his game and tack to the center..

he can't at this point.  there is no way he can walk back some of the sh*t he's said thus far.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 24, 2015, 11:15:05 pm
Cruz who actually believes what he says...that guy is dangerous
tru dat!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on November 25, 2015, 12:26:10 am
Trump is a moderate.. .where he to get the nomination you'd see him immediately tone down his game and tack to the center..

he can't at this point.  there is no way he can walk back some of the sh*t he's said thus far.

course he can! he'll just make up shit again.....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on November 25, 2015, 10:09:01 am
the interesting thing is Trump makes up shit to serve his political ends...

I dont' worry about Trump..its Cruz who actually believes what he says (and watches what he says and how he says it) that is more concerning...that guy is dangerous

Trump is a moderate.. .where he to get the nomination you'd see him immediately tone down his game and tack to the center..

This is what my wife says as well, though she has no intention of voting for him. In addition to Cruz, she (and I) would add Carson to your list of "dangerous".
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 01, 2015, 11:21:22 am
(http://i.giphy.com/xTk9ZMvytLICEWw9bi.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 02, 2015, 05:23:54 pm
"The numbers don't lie: He's as bad of a businessman as he is a politician."

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12346366_1012752662151121_5149338458359612674_n.jpg?oh=010a21ad950f5ee4e518ef24378155a3&oe=56EB0D7A)

a Forbes article (http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2015/09/29/inside-the-epic-fantasy-thats-driven-donald-trump-for-33-years/) puts his net worth at $4.5B... still less than the S&P would have brought him.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 03, 2015, 03:22:18 pm
ballsy:

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2453743.1449152447!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/kingprayer4n-7-web.jpg)

GOP presidential candidates offer prayers ? not solutions on gun control ? after San Bernardino massacre
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gop-candidates-call-prayers-calf-massacre-article-1.2453261
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 03, 2015, 04:37:19 pm
Private memo lays out how the GOP would deal with Trump as its nominee
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/private-memo-lays-out-how-the-gop-would-deal-with-trump-as-its-nominee/2015/12/02/78514cba-9909-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 03, 2015, 04:56:12 pm
Countdown to a vimeo of a close-up of Trump reading the memo and then camera pulls back to show him sitting on a solid gold toilet and then wiping his ass with the memo and feeding it to a blind-folded and ball-gagged Scott Walker who lies whimpering at Trump's feet.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 03, 2015, 04:56:31 pm
You know... that actually sounds kinda hot.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 03, 2015, 05:00:48 pm
you know . . . I can never decide, whether responding to your own post, with a critique that ends in a sexual commentation, is either really creepy, or itself is indeed, hot.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 03, 2015, 05:10:31 pm
Countdown to a vimeo of a close-up of Trump reading the memo and then camera pulls back to show him sitting on a solid gold toilet and then wiping his ass with the memo and feeding it to a blind-folded and ball-gagged Scott Walker who lies whimpering at Trump's feet.
how can he feed it to him if he's ball-gagged

come on man...you can do better than that
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 03, 2015, 05:11:35 pm
Countdown to a vimeo of a close-up of Trump reading the memo and then camera pulls back to show him sitting on a solid gold toilet and then wiping his ass with the memo and feeding it to a blind-folded and ball-gagged Scott Walker who lies whimpering at Trump's feet.
how can he feed it to him if he's ball-gagged

come on man...you can do better than that
Obviously through a tube up his anus. Like you would an alcohol enema but with a memo.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 04, 2015, 10:14:38 pm
(http://vncp5tv8i6-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/trump-is-hot.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 06, 2015, 12:26:28 pm
"When you?re really smart, when you?re really, really smart like I am ? it?s true, it?s true, it?s always been true, it?s always been true.? - Donald Trump, Nov. 30, 2015


and have your cube-mate hum 'we are the champions' while you belt this out from your desk

No time for losers, 'cause we are the champions Trumpions....



I?ve paid my dues
 Time after time
 I?ve voted GOP
 Almost straight, straight down the line
 Bad candidates
 I?ve picked a few
 Clinton and John McCain
 Bob Dole but now
 With RINOs I?m through
 And the wall will go on and on and on and on
 We are the Trumpions - my friends
 And we'll keep on fighting
 Till the end
 We are the Trumpions
 We are the Trumpions
 No time for losers
 'Cause we are the Trumpions... of the World
 I?ve taken my shots
 At Carly and JEB
 And I?ve knocked out Scott
 And Huck, Rick Perry but no
 Not Ted Cruz
 It?s been no simple deal
 Though I'm rich and smart
 And wealthy and smart 
 And did I tell you ? that I am really really quite smart?
 This race is huuuuge
 And I ain't gonna lose
 And the wall will go on and on and on and on
 We are the Trumpions - my friends
 And we'll keep on fighting
 Till the end
 We are the Trumpions
 We are the Trumpions
 No time for losers
 'Cause we are the Trumpions... of the World
 We are the Trumpions - my friends
 And we'll keep on fighting
 Till the end
 We are the Trumpions
 We are the Trumpions
 No time for losers
 'Cause we are the Trumpions



 Posted by Ann Althouse   at 6:02 PM   
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 07, 2015, 10:17:27 am
(https://2zk8hd369lpu230tji485tjn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Ugly-Sweater.jpg)

You can actually own one (https://store.tedcruz.org/product/cruz-limited-edition-christmas-sweater/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2015, 10:57:10 am
(https://2zk8hd369lpu230tji485tjn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Ugly-Sweater.jpg)

You can actually own one (https://store.tedcruz.org/product/cruz-limited-edition-christmas-sweater/)

I bet half of the buyers will by necessity have to pay the additional $2 to get the 2XXL version.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 07, 2015, 10:59:18 am
I would straight up buy that sweater if I could guarantee that Cruz would get zero dollars from the sale.

Maybe I'll just start running over people with my car in hopes I'll find the sweater on one of my victims.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 07, 2015, 11:13:08 am
Maybe I'll just start running over people with my car in hopes I'll find the sweater on one of my victims.
he means on his bike with his boots on
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 07, 2015, 07:23:29 pm
every time he says sh*t like that, i'm sure that this is the time that he'll run himself out of the race... then i remember how many other crazy things he's said and how it seems to have no effect on his popularity.  then i cry.

GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump urges ban on all Muslim entry to the U.S.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/index.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 07, 2015, 07:27:33 pm
John Kasich on a sunday cnn show, I think, believes that trump will flame out by the end, and said some pretty smart things regarding how people vote and how to make sure to see everything from all angles.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 07, 2015, 07:34:03 pm
John Kasich on a sunday cnn show, I think, believes that trump will flame out by the end, and said some pretty smart things regarding how people vote and how to make sure to see everything from all angles.
Kasich is by far the best GOP candidate (as far as not being a nutjob). The fact that the party's base seems so opposed and far-fling from him says a lot.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2015, 07:55:26 pm
every time he says sh*t like that, i'm sure that this is the time that he'll run himself out of the race... then i remember how many other crazy things he's said and how it seems to have no effect on his popularity.  then i cry.

GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump urges ban on all Muslim entry to the U.S.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/index.html

I do not know that I agree with Trump but his position has occurred to me, as it has to many Americans, and I don't think it is a crazy one...doesn't mean I agree with it.. I am not sure.. I don't know but food for thought...

a country does get to determine who gets to emigrate to the United States...they make decisions every day on who they want.. how many from here or there... they interview people and make decisions...often times arbitrary..or do you think the consular officials who conduct interviews etc do not often use their personal judgment and opinion??? it is not a scientific process..... visit many  Latin American countries and there are people lined up outside the US Embassy/Consulates for hours... all night.... at some point a choice is made on who to let visit and who not... After, for example, Argentina defaulted on its debt and many Argentines began to stay in the US illegally after their tourist visas expired the US decided to make it difficult for Argentines to even get the tourist visa.. I know of someone who wanted to visit family, was about 80 years old, and was not approved.. or refunded a couple of hundred bucks in processing fees (a lot of money at the time down there)..I feel that was a crazy decision but it happened... it happens all the time...point is the US makes these decisions all the time in light of what it considers to be in the best interests.. it discriminates all the time... maybe not predominantly on religion but certainly on nationality.. ie, where people are coming from, what they can offer, what the people who have already come from that place have done etc etc... It seems odd to think it weird to say "Hey 19 of the 20 hijackers where from Saudi Arabia, this woman came from there, they are full of Wahabi schools, Osama and his family are from there but hey lets prioritize letting in as many Saudis as people from other countries".... Maybe we can simply adjust the numbers.. but at the end of the day we do need to exercise some sort of criteria on whom to allow in to our country...

I'm not embracing this position but I don't think its unreasonable to consider we might not want people coming in from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan... Lets think about the female who mowed down 14 people... she was a Pakistani who had been in Saudi for a few years... why should she come to our country? Was it a good choice to let her come in to our country or would we have been better off not letting her come in?

I do think people who are in this country as Americans already have their rights as Americans...those cannot be taken away... but letting in new people? that is a privilege not a right.. and we can damn well decide how we go about doing it...

I also think its past time to stop with this baloney about how all religions are the same etc.. no, there is one religion that is producing a disproportionate amount of people who want to blow up things... I wish it weren't so but wishing don't make it so.... people say "oh its just a few bad apples.. a small percentage" but if we really look at the world we see many countries where fundamentalist Islamic governments have either been voted in or taken over by force and retained power.... when you see Islamists making strides in places like Turkey via the ballot box or Egypt (where the military then overthrew them...) you have to say wait a minute..its not just a few people here... these are two of the most strategically important countries in that area of the world and the Islamists won in both!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 07, 2015, 08:05:02 pm
im going to post this, before I even read all of that . . . but good lord, man.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2015, 08:06:25 pm
and let me add: it is not very easy to get entry to many places including Saudi Arabia....they certainly have no troubles barring Israelis...

Israelis that have never once attacked their country and yet we are supposed to fling our borders open to Saudis when 19 out of 20 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi, Osama was from there etc etc

Come on now? You will say that is what makes us different? I hope you won't say that because the difference is the Israelis pose no threat to Saudi whereas Saudis have effected great damage on our country.

There are some unfortunate realities at play here...I don't think I would say ban muslims from coming to the US.. I would probably increasingly limit their numbers and simply double down on the interview/background/forms process.... that sort of stuff happens all the time and if it has not happened yet it should happen...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 07, 2015, 08:08:23 pm
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Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2015, 08:12:14 pm
FFS really?
Franz Ferdinand Sparks?


food for thought.. hopefully you don't refuse to read what I wrote... I'm open to all points of view... America is going to have this conversation- heck its having it right now as we speak- whether you enjoy it or not.

I am open minded.. are you? Being open minded does not mean you adopt an idea.. you just think about it and discuss it rationally. Now if you think its irrational to even talk about it because you feel the opposing viewpoint does not merit the least consideration then , well, you are entitled to think so...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 07, 2015, 08:13:43 pm
No it means FOR FUCKS SAKE.   ::)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 07, 2015, 08:17:59 pm
As diplomatically as you framed that, Hutch, stating religion should be a credulity test to enter the United States of America is appalling.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2015, 08:23:41 pm
As diplomatically as you framed that, Hutch, stating religion should be a credulity test to enter the United States of America is appalling.

Do you think Communists should have been allowed into the country during the Cold War?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 07, 2015, 08:24:56 pm
As diplomatically as you framed that, Hutch, stating religion should be a credulity test to enter the United States of America is appalling.

Do you think Communists should have been allowed into the country during the Cold War?
Communism is a religion? And, yes.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on December 07, 2015, 08:37:53 pm
Hutch, the role of Rhett is already being played by, well, Rhett.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2015, 08:47:48 pm
As diplomatically as you framed that, Hutch, stating religion should be a credulity test to enter the United States of America is appalling.

Do you think Communists should have been allowed into the country during the Cold War?
Communism is a religion? And, yes.

I don't know if Communism is a religion, but in many parts of the world Islam is a political system.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2015, 09:00:05 pm
I think Ali Rizvi said it well on November 14:

https://www.facebook.com/ali.a.rizvi/posts/10102746230703608


The failure of Western liberals to honestly acknowledge the problem of Islamic jihad only strengthens Marine Le Pen & the National Front. This is not good.

I hope my fellow liberals will do more from here on to align themselves with their counterparts -- the dissidents in the Islamic world. The fight against Islamic jihad should come from a position of moral strength, not xenophobic bigotry. This is a fight that liberals should take on themselves before it's hijacked by the far right.

Kudos to Anderson Cooper for having Maajid Nawaz on tonight, and to Bill Maher for having Asra Nomani. These are the kinds of voices liberals should be boosting as the future of the Muslim world we want to see.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2015, 09:30:43 pm
As diplomatically as you framed that, Hutch, stating religion should be a credulity test to enter the United States of America is appalling.
Well I don't think I exactly stated that Julian.

First of all, this is a discussion..there is nothing wrong with having it.

It doesn't have to be religion.. it can simply be most people from certain places who will of course happen to be of a certain religion...

This type of thing goes on all the time...

I don't think saying "we will not allow muslims in the US as immigrants or tourists" is possible or productive...but cutting down substantially over a few year span on the amount of foreign people from countries where large majorities of the people seem to despise us is doable...Government doesn't have to announce its discrimination policies.. it discriminates all the time on how it awards visas, permits etc.... in fact, arguably, that is one of its major roles...

I mean take Saudi Arabia.. do you know what kind of country you are talking about? We are supposed to go out of our way to take in Saudis when they won't let Israeli and arguably Jews into their country? When American women who go to Saudi Arabia with Saudi husband can only leave the country without their children?? Do you think the Saudi government does anything to help these American women?

Its very simple... every year for the next 10 years you lower the amount of people being let in from these places by say 10% per year (both as immigrants and tourists)... at the end you should maintain some token -very seriously checked out- cases admitted so that people can't say we don't allow muslims or people from these countries...

Now of course if Saudi Arabia, Turkey and many other of our friends in the region want to crack down on ISIS and somehow in the Middle East all of a sudden these "few radical extremists" disappear then we can reconsider our immigration/tourist levels... Doesn't seem like such a strange measure to me .. Plenty of people from Latin America more than happy to come in to the US legally.. never heard of international terrorists from these countries..that should count for something in their favor vis a vis their Middle Eastern brethren I should say unless we don't consider terrorism a threat.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 07, 2015, 10:13:46 pm
. . . but good lord, man.
kinda felt the same way

another thread bites the dust, another thread....heeey eeya eeya eeeaya eyeaaaah
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2015, 10:26:54 pm
. . . but good lord, man.
kinda felt the same way

another thread bites the dust, another thread....heeey eeya eeya eeeaya eyeaaaah

What thread bit the dust? Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 07, 2015, 10:29:39 pm
never heard of international terrorists from these countries..
what about this cigar lover
(http://cdn8.openculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/sartre-che-smoke.jpg)
although some might consider Sartre (http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1964/sartre-bio.html) an international terrorist too
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 07, 2015, 10:33:10 pm
. . . but good lord, man.
kinda felt the same way

another thread bites the dust, another thread....heeey eeya eeya eeeaya eyeaaaah

What thread bit the dust? Did I miss something?
Koz most likely hasn't had a chance to catch up on todays musings
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2015, 10:38:17 pm
. . . but good lord, man.
kinda felt the same way

another thread bites the dust, another thread....heeey eeya eeya eeeaya eyeaaaah

What thread bit the dust? Did I miss something?
Koz most likely hasn't had a chance to catch up on todays musings



Agree with him or not, but bravo to Hutch for at least attempting to have a dialogue. Are you suggesting that the proper reply is to simply delete the thread?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2015, 10:58:09 pm
come on Kosmo is cool as a cucumber.. stop trying to make something out of nothing Sidehatch.

I hear two main arguments for why limiting the number of muslims coming in to the US is a bad idea

1. Its against who we are blah blah...this is the same argument we hear very often when there is no good argument....I really don't get this one...I mean I get that for the populace we pretend we don't discriminate but when we consider who to take in from where we do it all the time... heck, we even have countries from which people don't require visas to visit the US ..so we do discriminate plenty..we may not think about it in such terms but we are always picking who gets to come in... .I don't know if it still exists but in the 80s and 90s if you pledged to invest a certain amount of money in the US (say starting a business) you got your green card like snap...pretty sure program still exists.. if you're poor: tough shit. These are the kinds of things that happen every day in America but people don't know or don't talk about them.

2. The more compelling one - and I am unclear on what it is- seems to go something like this.. "Muslims are going to be so pissed off (and we know they get ticked off real easy) that they are going to join ISIS in droves and start blowing shit up....also it will drive a wedge between American Muslims and American non-muslims.....and the American muslims will presumably start blowing shit up because they get angry real easy".... I find this one difficult to swallow.. I mean if you're going to get pissed off that easily that you go join ISIS and start beheading people we probably don't want you in our country anyways...presumably

Anyways, regardless of how people may not feel it lives up to our Americanness you better believe women seeking to come to America from Saudi who met their husbands online dating ain't coming to no more. And any that already came in during the same time frame as this piece of shit are probably being questioned as we speak or being put on a plane back to Saudi....



Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 08, 2015, 01:17:40 pm
How do you screen for Muslim?  Do you just know them when you see them?  Do you rely on them to report their religion accurately?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 08, 2015, 01:22:53 pm
How do you screen for Muslim?  Do you just know them when you see them?  Do you rely on them to report their religion accurately?
I think James will have an answer shortly
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2015, 03:02:09 pm
Jesse LaGreca
‏@JesseLaGreca
New test: replace the word "Muslims" with "Jews" and then ask yourself "Do I sound like a fucking Nazi?"
https://twitter.com/JesseLaGreca/status/673280186083840000
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2015, 03:26:35 pm
Jesse LaGreca
‏@JesseLaGreca
New test: replace the word "Muslims" with "Jews" and then ask yourself "Do I sound like a fucking Nazi?"
https://twitter.com/JesseLaGreca/status/673280186083840000

Isn't it the Saudis who most closely resemble modern day Nazis?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2015, 03:30:57 pm
How do you screen for Muslim?  Do you just know them when you see them?  Do you rely on them to report their religion accurately?
I think James will have an answer shortly

There are 26 countries that have Muslim populations of 95% or more, including 18 countries with 98% or more. Citizenship in those countries might be a good indicator.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 08, 2015, 03:35:32 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/OQi5Y0b.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2015, 03:44:10 pm
Estimates vary widely as to the number of gay men imprisoned in concentration camps during the Holocaust, ranging from 5,000 to 15,000, many of whom died.

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/fivmil.htm

Some human rights activists and opponents of the Iranian regime claim between 4,000 and 6,000 gay men and lesbians have been executed in Iran for crimes related to their sexual orientation since 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 08, 2015, 03:51:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/MPNnF19.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2015, 03:56:45 pm
Joe Scarborough Cuts Off Donald Trump Mid-Interview for ?Just Talking? After Muslim Ban Comments on Morning Joe
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/joe-scarborough-ends-donald-trump-interview-after-muslim-ban-comments-w159213
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2015, 03:59:15 pm
Jesse LaGreca
‏@JesseLaGreca
New test: replace the word "Muslims" with "Jews" and then ask yourself "Do I sound like a fucking Nazi?"
https://twitter.com/JesseLaGreca/status/673280186083840000

I don't like how those Jewish Extremists are cutting off people's heads for being non-believers.

Hmmm...does that sound like NAZI talk?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2015, 03:59:55 pm
Jesse LaGreca
‏@JesseLaGreca
New test: replace the word "Muslims" with "Jews" and then ask yourself "Do I sound like a fucking Nazi?"
https://twitter.com/JesseLaGreca/status/673280186083840000

Isn't it the Saudis who most closely resemble modern day Nazis?


i'm certainly not arguing that.  actually, i will argue one thing: it's the saudi regime, not the saudis as a whole.

but that means the hate-all-muslim'ers are on the same level as the saudi regime and the nazis.  nice company they're keeping!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2015, 04:00:46 pm
Jesse LaGreca
‏@JesseLaGreca
New test: replace the word "Muslims" with "Jews" and then ask yourself "Do I sound like a fucking Nazi?"
https://twitter.com/JesseLaGreca/status/673280186083840000

I don't like how those Jewish Extremists are cutting off people's heads for being non-believers.

Hmmm...does that sound like NAZI talk?

i fear you've missed the point here.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 08, 2015, 04:00:53 pm
Jesse LaGreca
‏@JesseLaGreca
New test: replace the word "Muslims" with "Jews" and then ask yourself "Do I sound like a fucking Nazi?"
https://twitter.com/JesseLaGreca/status/673280186083840000

I don't like how those Jewish Extremists are cutting off people's heads for being non-believers.

Hmmm...does that sound like NAZI talk?
(http://i.imgur.com/UkJXKIf.png?1)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2015, 04:20:23 pm
Jesse LaGreca
‏@JesseLaGreca
New test: replace the word "Muslims" with "Jews" and then ask yourself "Do I sound like a fucking Nazi?"
https://twitter.com/JesseLaGreca/status/673280186083840000

Isn't it the Saudis who most closely resemble modern day Nazis?


i'm certainly not arguing that.  actually, i will argue one thing: it's the saudi regime, not the saudis as a whole.

but that means the hate-all-muslim'ers are on the same level as the saudi regime and the nazis.  nice company they're keeping!

I'm not saying I myself hate anybody. But doesn't the level those three you list are on kind of depend on what ways they carry out the hatred? There's a big difference between hating an ideology and cooking people in an oven.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 08, 2015, 04:28:12 pm
I'm not saying I myself hate anybody. But doesn't the level those three you list are on kind of depend on what ways they carry out the hatred? There's a big difference between hating an ideology and cooking people in an oven.
(http://i.imgur.com/itdcvLM.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 08, 2015, 04:42:07 pm
Everyone RELAX.  Trump just released a new campaign flyer:
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12341332_1001349509906224_813013382927640680_n.png?oh=b04a9e47fbb328e3729f726a0a5eb24a&oe=56D7F123)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 08, 2015, 04:50:59 pm
I'm not saying I myself hate anybody. But doesn't the level those three you list are on kind of depend on what ways they carry out the hatred? There's a big difference between hating an ideology and cooking people in an oven.
(http://i.imgur.com/itdcvLM.jpg)

Also, you never really see a mass shooting carried out by the overweight, now do you?  Perhaps the skinny amongst us are the true danger.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 08, 2015, 05:06:59 pm

Also, you never really see a mass shooting carried out by the overweight, now do you?  Perhaps the skinny amongst us are the true danger.
I mean, that's about as sensical as what Hutch and Rhett have been spewing in  this thread for thelast 48 hours.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2015, 05:17:57 pm
I don't hate muslims at all... there is nothing hateful about saying that maybe we should consider slowing down the number of muslims we let into America because, you know, they seem to have some sort of problem with us so lets cool it a bit....

I notice nothing I wrote was responded to.. just kind of universal its not "sensical" and resorting to Joe Scarborough (talk about clowns)... unsurprising really.

I really have no interest in continuing this monologue...let it be written I tried to have a dialogue about it and nobody cared to respond..... I don't support Donald Trump although I'd take him any day over Cruz, Rubio or any number of other Republicans... Kasich would be my pick...I will be voting for Hillary. .. I realize muslims coming into this country will diminish not via some formal announcement but via Embassy/Consulate policies.. and profiling of muslims will also continue to increase.... I don't live in some naïve fantasy world.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Yada on December 08, 2015, 05:19:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/hgJrgYS.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2015, 05:22:24 pm
some of these GIFs are too sophisticated for me...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 08, 2015, 05:28:57 pm
some of these GIFs are too sophisticated for me...
Bigots do, generally, lack sophistication and refinement.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2015, 05:58:17 pm
some of these GIFs are too sophisticated for me...
Bigots do, generally, lack sophistication and refinement.

no recourse but name calling eh?

I do have a problem with muslims whose belief is jihad against America.. seems to me they are the bigots..I'd rather keep them out and err on the side of caution....



Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2015, 06:12:08 pm
yup, this guy is pure leadership material.

Trump says ?closing that Internet? is a good way to fight terrorism
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/trump-wants-bill-gates-to-help-close-that-internet-from-terrorists/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 08, 2015, 06:14:10 pm

Also, you never really see a mass shooting carried out by the overweight, now do you?  Perhaps the skinny amongst us are the true danger.
I mean, that's about as sensical as what Hutch and Rhett have been spewing in  this thread for thelast 48 hours.
I don't know...Jaded might be on to something here
I don't think any of the mass shooters in the US were over a 26 BMI
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2015, 06:25:11 pm
some of these GIFs are too sophisticated for me...
Bigots do, generally, lack sophistication and refinement.

no recourse but name calling eh?

I do have a problem with muslims whose belief is jihad against America.. seems to me they are the bigots..I'd rather keep them out and err on the side of caution....





Hutch, that's about all you're going to get out of this crowd is namecalling rather than honest dialogue. Even when what you (and I mean you, Hutch) say is measured and intelligently put forth in a non-troll like fashion.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2015, 06:58:59 pm
Wounded British soldier shuts up anti-Muslim racists with epic message
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/wounded-british-soldier-shuts-up-anti-muslim-racists-with-epic-message/ (original source (https://www.facebook.com/chris.herbert6420/posts/10153191869156434?pnref=story))

This Neo-Nazi Response To Donald Trump's Anti-Muslim Plan Says It All
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-neo-nazi-support_56660b92e4b079b2818fcd36
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 08, 2015, 06:59:33 pm
yup, this guy is pure leadership material.

Trump says ?closing that Internet? is a good way to fight terrorism
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/trump-wants-bill-gates-to-help-close-that-internet-from-terrorists/

He namedrops Bill Gates not because Gates is an internet guru (which he's not) but because Gates is the only COM-PU-TER guy that his supporters have heard of.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2015, 07:00:56 pm
I don't hate muslims at all... there is nothing hateful about saying that maybe we should consider slowing down the number of muslims we let into America because, you know, they seem to have some sort of problem with us so lets cool it a bit....

there is something quite hateful about saying that.  you can't discriminate against the 99.999% because there is an evil 0.001%.  
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 08, 2015, 07:12:32 pm
some of these GIFs are too sophisticated for me...
Bigots do, generally, lack sophistication and refinement.

no recourse but name calling eh?

I do have a problem with muslims whose belief is jihad against America.. seems to me they are the bigots..I'd rather keep them out and err on the side of caution....





Again, how do you propose identifying and eliminating the targets of your policy?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2015, 07:31:10 pm
I don't hate muslims at all... there is nothing hateful about saying that maybe we should consider slowing down the number of muslims we let into America because, you know, they seem to have some sort of problem with us so lets cool it a bit....

there is something quite hateful about saying that.  you can't discriminate against the 99.999% because there is an evil 0.001%.  

I think he already explained that immigration is a privilege, not a right. We're the one's providing the privilege, we make the rules.

Do you really think the evil is only 0.001%? As in only i in out of every 100,000 (foreign) Muslims are radical or hold sympathies with radical thought?  Al Jazeera would argue otherwise.

http://www.commdiginews.com/featured/al-jazeera-poll-suggests-81-of-arab-muslims-support-isis-42253/


Or how about this one?

Quarter of British Muslims sympathise with Charlie Hebdo terrorists
Some 27 per cent of British Muslims sympathise with Paris gunmen, while more than one in ten say satirical cartoons "deserve" to be attacked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html

If someone gave you a case of KBS and told you there were a couple of bottles with undetectable, letha1 doses of poison in them, would you discriminate against Founders and throw the who case away?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 08, 2015, 07:35:48 pm
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Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on December 08, 2015, 07:54:23 pm
How do you screen for Muslim?  Do you just know them when you see them?  Do you rely on them to report their religion accurately?

Shibboleth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqkaBEWPH18)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 08, 2015, 07:57:40 pm
How do you screen for Muslim?  Do you just know them when you see them?  Do you rely on them to report their religion accurately?

Shibboleth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqkaBEWPH18)
POTW.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 09, 2015, 12:06:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/hG6s9YJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2015, 12:14:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/hG6s9YJ.jpg)

Have your fat postings been permanently moved to this thread?

I'll bite on this one. Pierce Brosnan and Hugh Jackman both have wives that are not skinny.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 09, 2015, 12:35:52 pm
Have your fat postings been permanently moved to this thread?
Well, some people didn't like them in random thoughts. I figure the best compromise was I continue to post them in a way that interrupts the Hutch and Rhett Islamophobia Hour.

I'll bite on this one. Pierce Brosnan and Hugh Jackman both have wives that are not skinny.
Don't let facts get in the way of fat people convincing themselves they're oppressed.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2015, 12:54:27 pm
Have your fat postings been permanently moved to this thread?
Well, some people didn't like them in random thoughts. I figure the best compromise was I continue to post them in a way that interrupts the Hutch and Rhett Islamophobia Hour.

I'll bite on this one. Pierce Brosnan and Hugh Jackman both have wives that are not skinny.
Don't let facts get in the way of fat people convincing themselves they're oppressed.

Well that's a novel and new form of censorship. Not sure how effective that is, but I'll give you creativity points. Typically genius Julian.

Another way to get opinions you don't like to go away is to offer some substantive counterpoints to convince your opponent that their opinion is incorrect.

Another option is to ignore the posts, eventually the person will realize they have no audience and stop posting. And even if they don't, they're being ignored, so what does it matter?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 09, 2015, 01:06:32 pm
fas,cinating.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 09, 2015, 02:17:24 pm
Typically genius Julian.
Julian, purported typically GENIUS
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 09, 2015, 05:36:50 pm
I don't hate muslims at all... there is nothing hateful about saying that maybe we should consider slowing down the number of muslims we let into America because, you know, they seem to have some sort of problem with us so lets cool it a bit....

there is something quite hateful about saying that.  you can't discriminate against the 99.999% because there is an evil 0.001%.  
couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2015, 06:29:42 pm
I don't hate muslims at all... there is nothing hateful about saying that maybe we should consider slowing down the number of muslims we let into America because, you know, they seem to have some sort of problem with us so lets cool it a bit....

there is something quite hateful about saying that.  you can't discriminate against the 99.999% because there is an evil 0.001%.  
couldn't agree more

Do you get a quick rush from the feeling of moral superiority that making that post gives you?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 09, 2015, 06:37:54 pm
nonsense.. our government discriminates against people all the time... or why do you think people from certain countries will now be scrutinized while people from others are not? you can say its not because of religion but there is a very very strong correlation..

what we can't do is discriminate against US citizens (the US constitution is pretty clear but it does not apply to Syrian nationals, etc.).. BTW what do you think happens when our drones drop bombs in Yemen, Pakistan or Syria?? Do you really think nobody around the targets dies??

there is a very naïve understanding by some people on this thread of how things work in the world...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/08/visa-waiver-program-house-senate-europe/76978544/

personally I disagree with what Trump said not because I disagree entirely with what he said but because its just one of those things you don't say... its kind of like torture.. do I think the US government should never use torture? no.. but they should say they never use torture. in the same way our government should never admit it discriminates against foreign nationals based on their religion, country of origin,  etc.. but it will discriminate as it always has done... that is what granting visas/work permits/nationality is: one big discrimination

and I welcome a discussion about it within the context of trying to increase security in the US and lessen terrorist threats.....unfortunately the childish tone of liberals screaming comparisons between Hitler and Trump only serves to derail what could be a productive discussion.. Trump is Hitler now? Really? come on now.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 09, 2015, 06:46:22 pm

there is something quite hateful about saying that.  you can't discriminate against the 99.999% because there is an evil 0.001%.  
couldn't agree more

Do you get a quick rush from the feeling of moral superiority that making that post gives you?

no I don't...but creating policies that punish people who are running away from persecution I can't agree with.
I'd much rather deal with the gun issue than ban Muslims from entering
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 09, 2015, 06:46:58 pm
and before what I wrote about torture gets taken out of context.. of course I do not like or wish for the USA to torture anybody.. but I cannot limit the government from utilizing it in every possible imaginable case.. I can't predict if there could be a case in the future where torture was necessary..

but the government should say "we don't torture, end of story" just like it should say "we don't discriminate on the basis of religion in awarding visas/work permits/citizenship" etc..

and it should try, as much as possible, to carry its business in accordance with those statements.. but if you have Saudi nationals coming to this country to kill us.. well, you might have to put a stop to that.. and some people who have no intention of harming us will be adversely affected too.. that is unfortunate..


Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 09, 2015, 06:49:58 pm
As diplomatically as you framed that, Hutch, stating religion should be a credulity test to enter the United States of America is appalling.
Well I don't think I exactly stated that Julian.

First of all, this is a discussion..there is nothing wrong with having it.

It doesn't have to be religion.. it can simply be most people from certain places who will of course happen to be of a certain religion...

This type of thing goes on all the time...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 09, 2015, 06:53:27 pm
I guess my view is that what Trump said is rather boneheaded but there is an element of wisdom in it.. if you have a people from a certain group of people trying to harm you, well, you might have to take a look at placing limits on those people and that may have an adverse impact on the group of people as a whole... that is "discrimination" but the job of our government is to protect Americans not the "phantom rights" of non-Americans not to be discriminated against.... if you think how hard it is to migrate to this country I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand about this routine type of discrimination...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2015, 06:54:34 pm

there is something quite hateful about saying that.  you can't discriminate against the 99.999% because there is an evil 0.001%.  
couldn't agree more

Do you get a quick rush from the feeling of moral superiority that making that post gives you?

no I don't...but creating policies that punish people who are running away from persecution I can't agree with.
I'd much rather deal with the gun issue than ban Muslims from entering

I don't think you'd get an argument from me regarding that. But prioritizing American safety by erring on the side of caution is hardly "hateful".

Hateful is the 76% of Muslims in South Asia who are in favor of apostasy.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 09, 2015, 06:55:04 pm

there is something quite hateful about saying that.  you can't discriminate against the 99.999% because there is an evil 0.001%.  
couldn't agree more

Do you get a quick rush from the feeling of moral superiority that making that post gives you?

no I don't...but creating policies that punish people who are running away from persecution I can't agree with.
I'd much rather deal with the gun issue than ban Muslims from entering


was that Saudi woman that killed 14 people running away from persecution?

(question is rhetorical but in case you don't know she was not running away from persecution)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 09, 2015, 06:57:06 pm
I guess what Sidehatch is arguing is that we must let in the woman from Saudi cause we don't know if she is running away from persecution or not so she could be?

Preposterous.... you could make the case that anybody fleeing Saudi was running away from persecution so with that nonsense reasoning we must let in any Saudi...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2015, 07:14:46 pm
I guess what Sidehatch is arguing is that we must let in the woman from Saudi cause we don't know if she is running away from persecution or not so she could be?

Preposterous.... you could make the case that anybody fleeing Saudi was running away from persecution so with that nonsense reasoning we must let in any Saudi...

There's one Saudi I'd let in for sure...Raif Badawi.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 09, 2015, 07:25:09 pm
nobody cares
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2015, 07:34:38 pm
nobody cares

I suppose more people care about what music you're currently listening to, but if you're referring to my post, 92,500 people care.

http://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1770&ea.campaign.id=32768
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 09, 2015, 07:38:29 pm
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Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 09, 2015, 08:58:42 pm
Ouch . . . A backslash, on a new page.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 10, 2015, 09:48:50 am
Hey everybody look at my HUUUUUUUGE poll numbers!!!!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 10, 2015, 10:14:00 am
At what point do we start droning him, now that we have identified his as the true enemy?

Pretty hypocritical that folks in England wants to ban the bigot Donald Trump but they let Anjem Choudary spend his every day in their country. But I guess Trump is the true enemy.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 10, 2015, 11:30:30 am
I think GGW previously posited this idea:

Is Trump Working for Hillary?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428222/donald-trump-hillary-clinton
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 10, 2015, 11:39:50 am
Nah, there's no way he's doing this for the benefit of the Democrats or for anything other than elevating himself. He's someone who needs to be loved and seen as THE BEST, and if he's smart enough to be manipulating his public persona, then he's smart enough to see how badly he's damaging his 'brand'. And his brand is the most important thing in the whole world to him. I can't imagine he'd allow that to be tarnished in the service of someone else.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 10, 2015, 11:58:02 am
trump won't get the nomination, he'll launch a third-party bid, splits the conservative vote, hillary wins.

the alternative is that he does get the nom and hillary still wins as he's un-electable.  zero chance that a majority of swing voters will pick him and a good chuck of republicans won't turn up on election day.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 10, 2015, 12:05:34 pm
trump won't get the nomination, he'll launch a third-party bid, splits the conservative vote, hillary wins.
That's been my dream scenario since day one

Clinton would have never won with out Perot
although there are a lot who argue that wasn't the case (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ross-perot-myth-reborn-amid-rumors-third-party-trump-candidacy) I kinda disagree
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 10, 2015, 01:54:01 pm
Trump has no chance of ever being elected President but long may he run....rooting for him to get nomination...

I think the Republican party is in a pickle...

Only way they can get rid of him now is to after him so hard making it easy for him to justify a third party run... remember he always said he expected to be "treated fairly"

so if they go hard he runs as an indie and hurts Republicans just a little bit more.. if they don't go hard he looks like he could well get nomination..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 10, 2015, 01:59:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/03TpGTU.png)
Probably the most important thing I've ever posted. Anyone who argues fat acceptance is basically a terrorist.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 10, 2015, 02:05:51 pm
Ouch . . . A backslash, on a new page.
I know right?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 10, 2015, 03:02:01 pm
Trumpism is a natural consequence of the GOP refusing to moderate on taxes or immigration
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/10/9882762/trump-missing-white-voters

"Trump is frightening Republicans in part because he's "showing them what it takes" to run and win as the party of disaffected white people in an increasingly nonwhite country. They don't like what they see, but as a movement they've committed to the kind of political strategy that he was pursuing ? a strategy built around the notion that the 2012 election featured a pile of "missing" white voters who could be activated to push the GOP to victory without it needing to do anything to broaden its demographic appeal."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 10, 2015, 03:10:40 pm
Trumpism is a natural consequence of the GOP refusing to moderate on taxes or immigration
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/10/9882762/trump-missing-white-voters

"Trump is frightening Republicans in part because he's "showing them what it takes" to run and win as the party of disaffected white people in an increasingly nonwhite country. They don't like what they see, but as a movement they've committed to the kind of political strategy that he was pursuing ? a strategy built around the notion that the 2012 election featured a pile of "missing" white voters who could be activated to push the GOP to victory without it needing to do anything to broaden its demographic appeal."

That's funny, because I've read arguments that Trump's far right stance on Islamic Extremism is a result of Obama not having one.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 10, 2015, 03:12:58 pm
I guess what Sidehatch is arguing is that we must let in the woman from Saudi cause we don't know if she is running away from persecution or not so she could be?

Preposterous.... you could make the case that anybody fleeing Saudi was running away from persecution so with that nonsense reasoning we must let in any Saudi...

There's one Saudi I'd let in for sure...Raif Badawi.

Can we please trade Donald Trump for this guy?

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/12/10/saudi-blogger-raif-badawi-on-hunger-strike-after-prison-transfer.html

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 11, 2015, 01:08:09 pm
since KV won't let me post in the Fascist tread...I'll have to put this here

I asked 5 fascism experts whether Donald Trump is a fascist. Here's what they said. (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/10/9886152/donald-trump-fascism)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 11, 2015, 02:41:26 pm
don't you feel this theory about whether Donald Trump being a fascist is flawed . . . due to the simple fact, that we cannot see the future of Donald trump and what he would and could do as president.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 11, 2015, 03:16:32 pm
Donald Trump Really Doesn?t Want Me to Tell You This, But ? (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/donald-trump-mark-bowden-playboy-profile)

great slideshow of the history of his hair (hairography?) at the end of the article.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 14, 2015, 11:06:15 am
(http://i.imgur.com/AA0ywSA.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 14, 2015, 11:14:28 am
I think we already posted this, but I just watched it again this morning and it is SO GOOD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbi7jNI1yOQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbi7jNI1yOQ)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 14, 2015, 11:48:07 am
since this is the de-facto politics thread...I'll put this here

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12316660_1662709600665857_7256569936669171607_n.jpg?oh=e6e30e9e00c4593503783e9248f23307&oe=56E26EED)

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 14, 2015, 12:11:10 pm
meet trump's supporters!

http://egbertowillies.com/2015/12/14/d-trumps-supporters-speak-and-it-is-as-bad-as-you-think-video/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 14, 2015, 04:13:50 pm
media bullshit..
fromthis point on don't believe anything the media says about trump as they are fixated on taking himdown...


personally I hope they take him down and the republicans get cruz...talk about unelectable.. and yes he is a maniac
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 14, 2015, 04:24:52 pm
Cruz's views are legitimately frightening and awful, but unlike Trump, Cruz actually understands how to win an election. Trump thinks he can just show up, promise the world, demonize his opposition, and sail to victory. Cruz understands how you win elections at the grassroots level. The post had a very interesting article this weekend about how Cruz is being extremely savvy with data mining of Republicans.

I will say though that I don't understand at all what you mean by "don't believe anything the media says about Trump." When you say "the media" who exactly do you mean? The media -- as in, news-reporting media, not pundits or op-edders or Fox News heads -- are the only ones showing what a lying megalomaniac Trump is.

I mean, Trump's base love him because they see him as honest and "one of us" and he is absolutely, positively neither of those things. It's really incredible.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 14, 2015, 04:29:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDyOGIGFtfM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDyOGIGFtfM)

Here's a Trump supporter.

The beauty of it is that she is lying, lying, lying herself, as she's a member of the state House.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 14, 2015, 04:31:09 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDyOGIGFtfM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDyOGIGFtfM)

Here's a Trump supporter.

The beauty of it is that she is lying, lying, lying herself, as she's a member of the state House.
^ that was scary
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 14, 2015, 04:36:09 pm
Call it the Republican establishment's nightmare scenario.

The GOP establishment, confronted by a recalcitrant electorate that refuses to leave Donald Trump, is being forced to take a fresh look at Ted Cruz, a man with grassroots strength in key early primary states and few friends in Washington.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/politics/ted-cruz-donald-trump-republican-establishment/index.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 14, 2015, 04:36:17 pm
She must not be a real Trump supporter because that article from above says:
Quote
They say they do not believe everything he says. They know he is lying in order to get his issues addressed.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 14, 2015, 04:55:04 pm
Cruz's views are legitimately frightening and awful, but unlike Trump, Cruz actually understands how to win an election. 

Cruz has zero chance.. less chance than even Trump of winning the election.. his views are way way extreme right.. Trump is actually fairly moderate... once people beginning looking into Cruz they are going to be scared.. he is a "maniac"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 14, 2015, 05:01:42 pm
Cruz's views are legitimately frightening and awful, but unlike Trump, Cruz actually understands how to win an election. 

Cruz has zero chance.. less chance than even Trump of winning the election.. his views are way way extreme right.. Trump is actually fairly moderate... once people beginning looking into Cruz they are going to be scared.. he is a "maniac"

Correction -- Trump *was* fairly moderate. Have you heard about his latest proposals about forcibly evicting 10+ million people from the country, building a Berlin Wall along a 1,500-mile border, implementing religious litmus tests at our borders, bombing multiple locations around the world, etc?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 14, 2015, 06:30:53 pm
Cruz's views are legitimately frightening and awful, but unlike Trump, Cruz actually understands how to win an election. 

Cruz has zero chance.. less chance than even Trump of winning the election.. his views are way way extreme right.. Trump is actually fairly moderate... once people beginning looking into Cruz they are going to be scared.. he is a "maniac"

Correction -- Trump *was* fairly moderate. Have you heard about his latest proposals about forcibly evicting 10+ million people from the country, building a Berlin Wall along a 1,500-mile border, implementing religious litmus tests at our borders, bombing multiple locations around the world, etc?

he doesn't believe any of that and would do none of it....just saying it to get votes... I guess that makes him a demagogue though...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 14, 2015, 07:31:33 pm
Cruz's views are legitimately frightening and awful, but unlike Trump, Cruz actually understands how to win an election. 

Cruz has zero chance.. less chance than even Trump of winning the election.. his views are way way extreme right.. Trump is actually fairly moderate... once people beginning looking into Cruz they are going to be scared.. he is a "maniac"

Correction -- Trump *was* fairly moderate. Have you heard about his latest proposals about forcibly evicting 10+ million people from the country, building a Berlin Wall along a 1,500-mile border, implementing religious litmus tests at our borders, bombing multiple locations around the world, etc?

When did Trump say he wanted to forcibly evict 10+ million people from the country?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 14, 2015, 08:01:26 pm
uhm, hello. 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/11/donald-trump/trump-eisenhower-deported-15-million-immigrants/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 14, 2015, 08:58:48 pm
uhm, hello. 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/11/donald-trump/trump-eisenhower-deported-15-million-immigrants/

Holy crap. I honestly had no idea there were that many illegal immigrants in the USA.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 14, 2015, 09:12:20 pm
us population is roughly 350 million right now.  undocumented "illegal" population is roughly 7 to 10 million.  is that, really a lot?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 14, 2015, 09:50:43 pm
us population is roughly 350 million right now.  undocumented "illegal" population is roughly 7 to 10 million.  is that, really a lot?

My google says 11.3 million. That's 2.9 million more than the entire population of NYC.

To answer your opinion, that's a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 14, 2015, 09:55:04 pm
last few years there has been a net outflow of Mexicans....

It is the Asians who are coming in on tourist visas and staying illegally...


anyways, never mind the facts


those damn Latinos.....


my view on the issue: legalize them all. we need more people.. it would be interesting to see a comparison chart for population/land area.... compared to India and China we are virtually unpopulated..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 15, 2015, 08:53:58 am
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/the-ballooning-of-donald-trump#.kdZWBB8qQ
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 15, 2015, 10:54:45 am

anyways, never mind the facts


those damn Latinos.....
ding, ding, ding!

you got that right...it's a racist code word


Funny as illegals have gone down close to 10% since the Socialist in chief took power

1There were 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2014 (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/). The population has remained essentially stable for five years, and currently makes up 3.5% of the nation?s population. The number of unauthorized immigrants peaked in 2007 at 12.2 million, when this group was 4% of the U.S. population.



But if your are irish...no problem man (http://www.latimes.com/la-op-rodriguez8apr08-column.html)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 15, 2015, 11:08:23 am
(https://i.imgur.com/mSJ7pwB.png)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 15, 2015, 11:18:49 am
(http://i.imgur.com/NJUmiPo.jpg)
The delusion is strong with this one.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 15, 2015, 11:24:35 am
You know, we could have a nice discussion about a pertinent subject -- the upcoming elections -- but it won't happen if you continue to diarrhea it up with your shit. Just start a goddamn "I hate overweight people" thread and keep it there. Thanks!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 15, 2015, 12:14:31 pm
You know, we could have a nice discussion about a pertinent subject -- the upcoming elections -- but it won't happen if you continue to diarrhea it up with your shit. Just start a goddamn "I hate overweight people" thread and keep it there. Thanks!
I like to think of the fat-related material as a nice palette cleanser to the idiocy of the rest of this thread.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 15, 2015, 12:21:53 pm
You know, we could have a nice discussion about a pertinent subject -- the upcoming elections -- but it won't happen if you continue to diarrhea it up with your shit. Just start a goddamn "I hate overweight people" thread and keep it there. Thanks!
I like to think of the fat-related material as a nice palette cleanser to the idiocy of the rest of this thread.

It seems like a vote for Hillary would be a better choice of a palate cleanser to the idiocy of this thread.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 15, 2015, 04:43:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/wSo7FUF.jpg)
I 100% believe this happened.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on December 15, 2015, 08:09:14 pm
I don't believe anything I read online.  I don't believe you, even exist.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 15, 2015, 09:58:19 pm
I don't believe anything I read online.  I don't believe you, even exist.
if the GWAR videographer hadn't told of his near demise, I too questioned his reality
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 15, 2015, 10:43:46 pm
I wish I'd played the Isis name dropping drinking game...I'd be soo wasted now
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 15, 2015, 11:44:09 pm
I wish I'd played the Isis name dropping drinking game...I'd be soo wasted now

a sad spectacle (the debate not you wasted)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 15, 2015, 11:56:15 pm
My thoughts before the pundits try to tell people what to think:

Cruz did great.. Rubio was much worse than I expected and I think may be toast

I think Trump did well all in all.. ran out of gas a bit

Bush did allright but not well enough... Fiorina, Kasich and Paul are non factors

I don't see Carson reversing his slide...

Christie did well but I don't think he has a chance

am I forgetting anyone? so many

if forced to rank them based on what they needed to do (ie., not who is the best debater but who helped/hurt themselves):

1. cruz
2. Christie
3. trump
4. bush
5. Fiorina
6. paul
7. carson
8. Kasich
9. rubio

I really have trouble between 4 and 5.. just not sure if Fiorina helped herself more than Bush or not.. but I've elected to put Bush at 4...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2015, 12:03:12 am
I didn't watch but I lol'd when i read this:

?Imagine what it?s going to be like dealing with Putin,? Bush said. ?This is a tough business to run for president.?


Trump, as before, responded with a reference to Bush?s eroding poll numbers. ?Let?s see: I?m at 42, and you?re at three, so I?m doing better,? Trump said.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2015, 12:06:07 am
And this one:

Trump stood by his comments that we should shut down parts of the Internet.

?I sure as hell don?t want to let people that want to kill us and kill our nation use our Internet, yessir I am," Trump said in response to a question from CNN's Wolf Blitzer.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 16, 2015, 12:09:57 am
And this one:

Trump stood by his comments that we should shut down parts of the Internet.

?I sure as hell don?t want to let people that want to kill us and kill our nation use our Internet, yessir I am," Trump said in response to a question from CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

so typical of you.. you don't watch the debate but want to voice your opinion? come on now man... this is like when you review shows you don't attend!

:)


Trump's answer on the internet was actually a very strong moment for him.. he explained his position further in a further answer...

the 42 to 3 thing.. man he left Bush on the ropes on that one...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 16, 2015, 10:19:37 am
The Trumpers are so locked in on Donald now that he could take the stage at the next debate, walk over to Jeb!, take out his dong, and piss on Jeb!'s shoes while Jeb! is in the process of curing cancer and achieving peace in the Middle East -- and Trumps numbers would rise and Jeb!'s would sink.

There was a point early in the coverage where they showed the various campaigns' debate-watching parties and all the supporters would go crazy when the red light went on.

Then they showed Jeb!'s party:

(https://i.gyazo.com/0857d42ff5514e47e5739bd0d5efbb97.png)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 16, 2015, 02:33:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/6E7TUFE.png)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 16, 2015, 03:18:46 pm
than
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 16, 2015, 03:28:27 pm
than
Also, "there"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2015, 03:36:49 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/NJUmiPo.jpg)
The delusion is strong with this one.

This picture made me laugh. However, I thought your comment was pretty weak. Especially for a would be stand-up comic. So I decided to tailor my own:

"This one aint too swift."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2015, 03:47:16 pm
And this one:

Trump stood by his comments that we should shut down parts of the Internet.

?I sure as hell don?t want to let people that want to kill us and kill our nation use our Internet, yessir I am," Trump said in response to a question from CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

so typical of you.. you don't watch the debate but want to voice your opinion? come on now man... this is like when you review shows you don't attend!

:)


Trump's answer on the internet was actually a very strong moment for him.. he explained his position further in a further answer...

the 42 to 3 thing.. man he left Bush on the ropes on that one...

So sorry, I was boning my wife last night. While you were...watching the Republican debate.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 16, 2015, 04:12:38 pm
Whoa you boned your wife for four hours? Impressive.
Did you give her a disappointing, lackluster boning for the first hour, to represent the 'undercard' debate? And then did you go primetime all over her ass for the final two hours? How many times did you scream JEB!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2015, 04:20:16 pm
Whoa you boned your wife for four hours? Impressive.
Did you give her a disappointing, lackluster boning for the first hour, to represent the 'undercard' debate? And then did you go primetime all over her ass for the final two hours? How many times did you scream JEB!

This is why I nominate YOU as board stand-up comic.

In reality, I don't have cable so there was no debate option.

As a 40something married dad, I'm sure you can relate to the rest of the reality....

In reality, part of the debate time was spent dealing with a fight between our spoiled only middle class child, and  her mom. Both were acting like children, only one had the excuse of being a child.

In reality, the sex was very nice, but it wasn't four hours. Who has sex for four hours, other than STING? I would say maybe teenagers have that kind of physical stamina, but certainly teenage boys don't have the staying power.

Have I lapsed into blather? I'm sorry, I had two beers at lunch. Give a can get a can at Pizza Paradiso.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 16, 2015, 04:24:48 pm
In reality, I don't have cable so there was no debate option.
umm but you do have the internet?
I watched it (and bled from my eyeballs) on Cnn.com
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2015, 04:29:06 pm
In reality, I don't have cable so there was no debate option.
umm but you do have the internet?
I watched it (and bled from my eyeballs) on Cnn.com


I did try watching one of the debates on cnn.com, but there seemed to be technical difficulty. I just assumed I'd have the same problem again.

Plus, the family issues and the fucking. Family and fucking come before watching a bunch of people who I'm not going to vote for debate each other.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 16, 2015, 04:35:31 pm

Plus, the family issues and the fucking. Family and fucking come before watching a bunch of people who I'm not going to vote for debate each other.
can't argue with that logic
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 16, 2015, 04:35:47 pm
However, I thought your comment was pretty weak. Especially for a would be stand-up comic. So I decided to tailor my own:

"This one aint too swift."
That is a good line.

That said, I never purported to be a would be stand-up comic. I said I'd done it twice years ago. I also have went kayaking twice in my life; I do not identify as a "kayaker."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 16, 2015, 06:26:50 pm
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12347846_1010254865705964_1247484866024330096_n.jpg?oh=0cd85fe9c60c4b7d638a6f2f43af53ee&oe=56D9956C)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 16, 2015, 11:39:05 pm
So here is what I want to know...who it the man behind the man.  That is trump.
Who has been his tried and true advisers.

I guess when you make shit up you don't need them, but I got to imagine there are a few key players
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 16, 2015, 11:42:48 pm
So here is what I want to know...who it the man behind the man.  That is trump.
(http://www.faithinhisblood.org/uploads/2/8/5/1/28510639/1323409_orig.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on December 17, 2015, 08:15:47 am
The Real Reason Donald Trump Will Win the Republican Nomination

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/the-real-reason-donald-tr_b_8820192.html

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2015, 10:34:33 pm
Why Actor Henry Rollins Thinks Donald Trump 'Is A Lot Like Bernie Sanders'
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/highlight/why-actor-henry-rollins-thinks-donald-trump-is-a-lot-like-bernie-sanders/5670922199ec6d2f95000f72

i guess he is known more his acting than his music these days...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 17, 2015, 10:53:45 pm
still reeling from that Republican debate... so disgusting... except Paul they are all nuts or acting like nuts...

Cruz talking bout "precision carpet bombing"?? um hello?

Trump talking about going after the families of terrorists? (this got no attention in the press at all that I found)

Carson essentially saying we'd be doing the children we kill a favor "as long as we finish the job"??? or some other sick interpretation.. not sure what the fuck he was trying to say

and of course the mainstream media talking bout how substantive it was and how much talkin about policy there was?? excuse me? what policy? "I will destroy ISIS"?? that is not policy but a wish... that is nothing....

in the wake of the debate it almost seems like the media is trying to will Rubio upwards.. they keep talking about how great he was on foreign policy but on immigration he looked seriously floundering....

Christie with his plan to shoot down Russian planes?? Hello...

Trump in a weird way made more sense than most of them.. we can't fight ISIS, Iran, Assad and Russia at the same time! (cue Putin "endorsement"...)

Man ISIS must have been overjoyed watching it.. "hey look at these guys.. they have a foreing policy debate in their presidential election and all they talk about is us!"

this fearmongering is so pathetic....that CNN anchorwoman Costello (who is actually real good) was talking about how 3000 Americans have died from domestic terrorism since like 2004 or some such year.. and 400,000 from gun deaths... and yet the Republicans were going completely apeshit
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 17, 2015, 11:19:51 pm
still reeling from that Republican debate... so disgusting...
carson made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up!
zoinks, did the people who supported him really believe he could be President!?!

Cruz sounded as good as I've ever heard him, still scares me, but it appears he's really trying to dial back the crazy

Rand and Kasich actually sounded rational, but we all know that doesn't get votes

but just a shit show from start to end

GOP is toast come nov for the top seat.

My prediction...watch out for Ryan 2020
GSD mofo!
Been a mess in that house for too long
and with these GOP primary clowns sucking up all the air in the room, it was a shocker of a story to hear that compromises were actually made.

can you believe it, they still believe in compromises.
It was a Christmas miracle

Ok going a little hyperbolic here, probably should just step away from the keyboard
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 18, 2015, 10:57:34 am
so i was aware of the who "trump wants to shut down parts of the internet" idiocy, but i somehow missed this until now:

Trump's Terrifying Nuke Answer at the Debate Should End His Campaign (But It Won't)
Trump didn't even understand the question, but that didn't stop him from answering
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trumps-terrifying-nuke-answer-at-the-debate-should-end-his-campaign-but-it-wont-20151216
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 18, 2015, 05:07:06 pm
Donald Trump Sings & Dances (https://youtu.be/5nwNfmkaV_I)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on December 20, 2015, 01:50:12 am
the source of Trump's appeal?
 
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/1914996_1534094996911353_2829792706014809702_n.jpg?oh=ba7e71ffcd233fecef47dce2f37011d5&oe=57155DF6)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 21, 2015, 10:40:32 am
(https://i.imgur.com/SLsgLeB.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on December 21, 2015, 10:59:45 am
(http://i.imgur.com/vkIYSWA.png)

Adios, Linds (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/lindsey-graham-suspends-presidential-campaign-217028)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 23, 2015, 04:53:18 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12249655_1187807391230237_8813556591245301715_n.png?oh=3962e5321dacaaef81242acdc00174d7&oe=571CD984)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on December 29, 2015, 02:06:56 pm
A conservative group made a pretty funny video mocking Trump and his supporters.
https://youtu.be/rN1HKMyJAro

I saw it at:
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/trump_fans_viciously_lampooned_by_new_video1
Quote
When I watched this the first time, I wasn?t aware of the fact that it was actually produced by a group of conservatives, the Public Integrity Alliance of Arizona, a nonprofit largely made up of East Valley Republicans. Frankly one doesn?t expect to see something legitimately amusing coming from Republican quarters?as everyone knows Republicans aren?t funny. But this is excellent, a pitch-perfect country-rock video starring Phoenix-based comedian Brian Nissen?s redneck ?Dwain? character, a mullet-wearing simpleton who wants to ?make America great again? by voting for a blustering, buffoonish billionaire who believes American wages are too high, that we need a border wall to keep out all of the Muslims and Mexicans and all kinds of other silly stuff tailored to the basest of the GOP base? Perhaps you know who he?s talking about?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 30, 2015, 11:54:34 am
(https://media.giphy.com/media/d2YXqj3n9nSrmEAE/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2015, 10:52:37 am
I'm starting to get a bit anxious about a trump win in the primaries.... he just has this uncanny ability to make great points...notice the attack on Bill and Hillary due to Bill's being a dog...by my count that is his fourth time making a point that really resonates with the American people- rightly or wrongly is not the issue- even though maybe nobody else wants to say it:

1. build a wall/Mexican immigrants rapists/they send their worst
2. Bush did not keep us safe
3. keep muslims out
4. Hillary and Bill last people who should talk about women's rights given his record with women and her role supporting him etc.

compare that to the other Republican candidates... it is interesting to compare a Trump candidacy to that of Andrew Jackson
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 31, 2015, 11:23:44 am
making a point that really resonates with the American people- rightly or wrongly is not the issue- even though maybe nobody else wants to say it:

1. build a wall/Mexican immigrants rapists/they send their worst
2. Bush did not keep us safe
3. keep muslims out
4. Hillary and Bill last people who should talk about women's rights given his record with women and her role supporting him etc.

compare that to the other Republican candidates... it is interesting to compare a Trump candidacy to that of Andrew Jackson


How can you say 'rightly or wrongly is not the issue'

I mean In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins (http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx)

Just because ignorance resonates with Americans, should we laud that
I think the GOP is doomed in a national election...primaries really mean nothing
only problem is they hate liberals SOOO much that they would vote for Dezz Nuts before voting for Hillary

Also laughable to see him criticize anyone on women's issues
He is absolutely horrible and to boot he was very pro-liberal on many women's issues in the past

some how he is getting a pass on that though?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 31, 2015, 11:29:32 am
4. Hillary and Bill last people who should talk about women's rights given his record with women and her role supporting him etc.
This is probably the most fucking stupid thing you've ever said and that's a pretty high bar.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2015, 11:36:47 am
4. Hillary and Bill last people who should talk about women's rights given his record with women and her role supporting him etc.
This is probably the most fucking stupid thing you've ever said and that's a pretty high bar.

I don't think it is the most stupid thing I have ever said.. I realize you are a Hillary supporter- as am I- but take your blinders off for a second... what Bill did with Monica was pretty much a crime given she worked for him... Hillary standing by him through multiple bimbo eruptions is a fact...

Trump may have divorced and said horrible things about women but that is different than having a sexual relationship with an intern
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 31, 2015, 11:43:05 am
Hillary standing by him through multiple bimbo eruptions is a fact...
I disagree that standing by him was a mistake, but what do I know
while yes, it was a crime, somewhat minor considering she was a consenting adult
IMO
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 31, 2015, 11:49:29 am
4. Hillary and Bill last people who should talk about women's rights given his record with women and her role supporting him etc.
This is probably the most fucking stupid thing you've ever said and that's a pretty high bar.

I don't think it is the most stupid thing I have ever said.. I realize you are a Hillary supporter- as am I- but take your blinders off for a second... what Bill did with Monica was pretty much a crime given she worked for him... Hillary standing by him through multiple bimbo eruptions is a fact...

Trump may have divorced and said horrible things about women but that is different than having a sexual relationship with an intern
It has nothing to do with being a Hillary supporter. The idea that "Hillary [is one of the] last people who should talk about women's rights given [her husbands affair]" is insulting to women everywhere. Should the Jews be the last people to talk about ethnic cleansing? After all, if they really were so anti-ethnic cleansing, they wouldn't have let themselves get all Holocausted.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2015, 04:09:19 pm
4. Hillary and Bill last people who should talk about women's rights given his record with women and her role supporting him etc.
This is probably the most fucking stupid thing you've ever said and that's a pretty high bar.

I don't think it is the most stupid thing I have ever said.. I realize you are a Hillary supporter- as am I- but take your blinders off for a second... what Bill did with Monica was pretty much a crime given she worked for him... Hillary standing by him through multiple bimbo eruptions is a fact...

Trump may have divorced and said horrible things about women but that is different than having a sexual relationship with an intern
It has nothing to do with being a Hillary supporter. The idea that "Hillary [is one of the] last people who should talk about women's rights given [her husbands affair]" is insulting to women everywhere. Should the Jews be the last people to talk about ethnic cleansing? After all, if they really were so anti-ethnic cleansing, they wouldn't have let themselves get all Holocausted.

I agree with you on that point but it is irrelevant.. with a large swathe of the electorate- and particularly the Republican one- what Trump is doing with his Clinton comments is brilliant... I was watching on CNN.. they had a guy who used work for Bill and a guy who supports Trump... the Trump guy ate him for lunch.. all the Bill guy could say is "its so low" and "disgusting".... he simply looked stunned and depressed.... You think Republican voters care? They are loving it!

And a guy who is able to repeatedly say to people what they want to hear may be a demagogue...but he is dangerous

Since you saw fit to insult me (why the insults man?? ) I urge you to take a reading course.. I said "rightly or wrongly" .. I never said whether I agreed with it or not...  There is almost this reflexive reaction by some of you that anything Trump says must be horrible and we can't even credit him with being politically saavy..come on now.

And just for the record.. I do think Bill Clinton was a total sleaze... I did not vote for him in 1992 and I have never wavered in that belief (although in 1996 I did vote for him... the 1994 Gingrich "revolution" was just too much to take).. history only proved me right.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 31, 2015, 04:17:25 pm
There is almost this reflexive reaction by some of you that anything Trump says must be horrible and we can't even credit him with being politically saavy..come on now.
I consider something politically savvy when it, you know, wins elections. Being ahead in the polls this far out is completely irrelevant. Check out who was leading in past elections at this time. (https://twitter.com/pastfrontrunner) I put Donald Trump's level of political savvy about on par with President Mike Huckabee's, President Rudy Guliani, and President Howard Dean's.

Trump will not get the nomination. And if by some miracle he did, the democrat would win in the biggest landslide election in history. Saying bullshit insanity that renders 75% of America completely unwilling to consider your candidacy is the antithesis of political savvy; its the trademark of someone who is simply interested in publicity for their next venture.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2015, 04:19:57 pm
making a point that really resonates with the American people- rightly or wrongly is not the issue- even though maybe nobody else wants to say it:

1. build a wall/Mexican immigrants rapists/they send their worst
2. Bush did not keep us safe
3. keep muslims out
4. Hillary and Bill last people who should talk about women's rights given his record with women and her role supporting him etc.

compare that to the other Republican candidates... it is interesting to compare a Trump candidacy to that of Andrew Jackson


How can you say 'rightly or wrongly is not the issue'

I mean In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins (http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx)

Just because ignorance resonates with Americans, should we laud that
I think the GOP is doomed in a national election...primaries really mean nothing
only problem is they hate liberals SOOO much that they would vote for Dezz Nuts before voting for Hillary

Also laughable to see him criticize anyone on women's issues
He is absolutely horrible and to boot he was very pro-liberal on many women's issues in the past

some how he is getting a pass on that though?

you're so naïve... getting elected is convincing people to vote for you.. not sure why you have difficulty with this concept....

primaries mean nothing? ha hah a.... it means nothing who the nominees are?

the election is almost a year away... a lot can happen in a year.... we could, god forbid, have a massive terrorist attack.. how do you like Hillary's chances then?? the economy could slow down.. a lot of things could happen

and the election will not be decided by head to head matchup polls today- but as usual- by voters in Ohio, Florida, Virginia... or do you see the democratic nominee winning the deep south states??? Do you believe Republicans will suddenly win California and New York??? You think democrats will win Texas??

of course not..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2015, 04:21:00 pm
Julian please also read what I wrote above even though it was directed at Sidehatch it applies equally to you.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 01, 2016, 10:39:09 pm
Quote
leading in past elections at this time. (https://twitter.com/pastfrontrunner)

Hard to remember that Barry didn't have a strong lead at this point in the game.
This kind off look back does make people catch their breath a liittle and realize there is a lot of time between now and Nov 8th
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 01, 2016, 11:01:20 pm
I think the GOP is doomed in a national election...primaries really mean nothing
little hyperbole there
Quote
primaries mean nothing? ha hah a.... it means nothing who the nominees are?


I should have stated it's really early, he has had a sustained lead, but Bachman, Perry and Cain were all leading the polls too

It is a big feild with a lot of poor choices, so fertile soil for trump.  But I still don't think he'll make it past super tuesday
A lot could happen in 1 month
He has had quite the sustained lead

Monday, February 1                            Iowa caucus
Tuesday, February 9                            New Hampshire
Saturday, February 20-27                   Nevada /South Carolina

can anyone tell me why having all the primaries on one day would be a bad thing?

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 02, 2016, 12:00:22 am
I think the GOP is doomed in a national election...primaries really mean nothing
little hyperbole there
Quote
primaries mean nothing? ha hah a.... it means nothing who the nominees are?


I should have stated it's really early, he has had a sustained lead, but Bachman, Perry and Cain were all leading the polls too

It is a big field with a lot of poor choices, so fertile soil for trump.  But I still don't think he'll make it past super tuesday
A lot could happen in 1 month
He has had quite the sustained lead

Monday, February 1                            Iowa caucus
Tuesday, February 9                            New Hampshire
Saturday, February 20-27                   Nevada /South Carolina

can anyone tell me why having all the primaries on one day would be a bad thing?




these examples of cain, bachman and Perry are terrible... cain led for like for 2 weeks WAY earlier in the process... bachman led in IOWA like six months before Iowa voted... I think Perry led BEFORE he entered the race or maybe for a week or two right after Bachman.. then he opened his mouth and said "oops".. it is true that Gingrich had a moment in the sun once the primaries started ....a great example of what you are saying is Howard Dean in 2004 who was creaming the field before Iowa, lost iowa to Kerry (horrible candidate), had his SCREAM and was toast....it all happened so quickly...

Trump could implode but he has led since he joined the race like five months ago.. you can't compare that to the other fly by night leaders from recent memory... of course Trump could easily lose Iowa to Cruz and then fall in NH.. of course somebody else can win the Republican nomination..

obviously anything can happen... I think all I was saying was that Trump has an uncanny ability to cut through all the political BS candidates say and say what the people being polled want to hear...that is a huge asset! to be able to read what the people want to hear even when the entire establishment/media/conventional wisdom says its crazy and that if you say it you are done.... FOUR times now he has made rather unconventional statements that have been very effective... we can definitely call him a demagogue but I think he is demonstrating some signs of being a good politician.... its all too easy to say he is a nut and the Republicans are all bonkers but I think that is a little simplistic..(not saying you said that)... I also think that people discounting Trump entirely are missing the point that in a general he would be better positioned to pivot to the center than many other Republicans because he has quite the record of being fairly moderate/liberal on social issues...

big field with a lot of poor choices? I would argue this is the best Republican field ever.... the fact people don't like Jeb Bush or Rick Perry or Walker or any of these people doesn't take away from their experience etc....again, I would not vote for them but a weak field would be the democratic field!!

wholeheartedly agree we should have a national primary.. also, everyone should be automatically registered to vote AND the day of a presidential election should be on a weekend or people should get a day off...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 02, 2016, 12:04:11 am
and the election will not be decided by head to head matchup polls today- but as usual- by voters in Ohio, Florida, Virginia...

FYI...of your states, only VA gets to vote in the primaries on super tuesday
OH and FL....after Puerto Rico (GOP)

jez American Samaoa and the Virgin Islands(?) cast primary votes before NY, MD, PA, NJ and CA!

I really don't understand how order is justified
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 03, 2016, 11:17:27 am
and the election will not be decided by head to head matchup polls today- but as usual- by voters in Ohio, Florida, Virginia...

FYI...of your states, only VA gets to vote in the primaries on super tuesday
OH and FL....after Puerto Rico (GOP)

jez American Samaoa and the Virgin Islands(?) cast primary votes before NY, MD, PA, NJ and CA!

I really don't understand how order is justified

well I meant the general election..

the idea behind the primary process I think is that Iowa (traditional rural midwest?), New Hampshire (maybe northeast?), South Carolina (southern/black?) and Nevada (west/latino?) together provide a representative microcosm of the US and that we should really only need those states to decide things.. decide things early and move on...obviously those states don't want to lose their early position in the process because of the attention and money the candidates lavish on them....also having a few small states early encourages candidates to talk to and interact with "real people" on the ground whereas if you had a national primary candidates might just focus on running more of a national campaign (more media based.. less small meetings, townhalls, etc).. furthermore, resources to run a national primary campaign would need to be much greater.. some of these things have changed though in the "modern" internet/media age...I am just trying to articulate some of the reasoning behind this moronic system...

I don't think the process makes a whit of sense...members of each party should have a one day primary 2-3 months before the general and be done with it....not this utterly ridiculous neverending marathon slog beatch process with endless debates and candidates appearing on the news programs 873 times..... but of course there are big economic interests at play that fight to keep the system the way it is (think of the money the TV stations in the early states get, the national media which needs something to do, the campaign consultants who benefit from a more drawn out primary process, etc)

just another example of "American exceptionalism"... no other country in the world, of course, has such a system..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 03, 2016, 06:16:04 pm
it is amazing . . . that when I ask people, if you had to vote today, for either trump or Hillary, the majority answer, is trump.  so many people, do not trust Hillary.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 03, 2016, 07:30:01 pm
it is amazing . . . that when I ask people, if you had to vote today, for either trump or Hillary, the majority answer, is trump.  so many people, do not trust Hillary.

well.. given where you live, I don't find that surprising at all...but it is true, many people, do not trust, Hillary..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 07, 2016, 10:48:56 am
Shut the f**k up Donny? (https://youtu.be/h6oxvm9Q68Q)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 07, 2016, 11:27:41 am
A Vote for Marco Rubio Is a Vote for Men?s High-Heeled Booties
 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-boots-tweet-217388#ixzz3wZZGpr8W)

Might get Walkie's vote?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 07, 2016, 11:33:01 am
Cruz and Rubio are the same age, so Cruz is prob just throwin shade because Marco gets all the chicks.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: K8teebug on January 07, 2016, 12:07:32 pm
Did he really think Paris is in Germany?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 07, 2016, 12:20:30 pm
Did he really think Paris is in Germany?
Was for a few years it did...so not totally false
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on January 07, 2016, 12:52:17 pm
it is amazing . . . that when I ask people, if you had to vote today, for either trump or Hillary, the majority answer, is trump.  so many people, do not trust Hillary.

You live in Richmond, right?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 07, 2016, 01:17:44 pm
Trump Campaign Issues 20,000 Rally Tickets for 1,400-Seat Venue (http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/Vigil-Planned-Outside-Donald-Trumps-Vermont-Stop-364489291.html)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2016, 02:04:30 pm
it is amazing . . . that when I ask people, if you had to vote today, for either trump or Hillary, the majority answer, is trump.  so many people, do not trust Hillary.

You live in Richmond, right?

No, he doesn't. Also:

The city of Richmond is heavily African-American and Democratic-leaning,
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 07, 2016, 02:14:43 pm

The city of Richmond is full of heavy African-Americans
Didn't know space was on the fat hate train
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 07, 2016, 03:20:24 pm
it is amazing . . . that when I ask people, if you had to vote today, for either trump or Hillary, the majority answer, is trump.  so many people, do not trust Hillary.

You live in Richmond, right?

i live here


(https://www.pacsafe.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/shenandoah-valley.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 07, 2016, 03:39:33 pm
lol u homeless?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on January 07, 2016, 05:51:59 pm
single rainbow.  yawn.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2016, 06:57:03 pm
bua ha hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 08, 2016, 10:03:05 am
Shut the f**k up Donny? (https://youtu.be/h6oxvm9Q68Q)
BTW...this is hysterical, must watch for fans of the dude
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 08, 2016, 10:18:27 am
So glad that Carson's popularity has waned
he is really a whack job

Ben Carson asks fifth-graders to single out the ?worst student? in their class, and they did (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/01/07/ben-carson-asks-fifth-graders-to-single-out-the-worst-student-in-their-class-and-they-did/?tid=sm_fb)

Following the rally, Carson met with the student and told him that he hopes the child will become a neurosurgeon
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 08, 2016, 10:36:05 am
So glad that Carson's popularity has waned
he is really a whack job

Ben Carson asks fifth-graders to single out the ?worst student? in their class, and they did (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/01/07/ben-carson-asks-fifth-graders-to-single-out-the-worst-student-in-their-class-and-they-did/?tid=sm_fb)

Following the rally, Carson met with the student and told him that he hopes the child will become a neurosurgeon
I want a candidate who will make classmates point out the fattest kid. Then go into a 10 minute spiel about the dangers of obesity. Then possibly call CPS.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 08, 2016, 10:57:42 am
So glad that Carson's popularity has waned
he is really a whack job

Ben Carson asks fifth-graders to single out the ?worst student? in their class, and they did (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/01/07/ben-carson-asks-fifth-graders-to-single-out-the-worst-student-in-their-class-and-they-did/?tid=sm_fb)

Following the rally, Carson met with the student and told him that he hopes the child will become a neurosurgeon
I want a candidate who will make classmates point out the fattest kid. Then go into a 10 minute spiel about the dangers of obesity. Then possibly call CPS.

well with that logic...Chris Christy could be the one

Following the rally, Christy met with the student and told him that he hopes the child will become a a Governor of NJ
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 08, 2016, 11:01:10 am
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12509603_10153410645257297_7192614548555336465_n.jpg?oh=bb9237781dd8a4b053a0f3cab67a16fc&oe=5742590D)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 08, 2016, 11:17:18 am
Barry looks pretty hot there tbh
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on January 08, 2016, 11:59:37 am
i LOVE how (slightly) expanded background checks = coming for their guns.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 08, 2016, 12:01:26 pm
I'm coming from my guns.
Well, gun, anyway.
Eww what a mess!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 08, 2016, 01:39:18 pm
he's never getting the nomination...but glad he's talking about it on the national level

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12439133_957873727600965_1642971065079700094_n.png?oh=8452d1dc60549d034ba3cdfc565fcadc&oe=57049E9B)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 08, 2016, 01:50:53 pm
That's a pretty weird conflation though. As in, what do narcotics laws have to do with banking regulations? The marijuana scenario describes someone who is breaking a law and is arrested when he is witnessed breaking that law. I don't agree with that law, but it is still a law in most places.

There's much more ambiguity with the Wall Street example. In many cases, it wasn't unlawfulness but greed and cold heartedness. Many of these banks shittily took advantage of the regulatory system and screwed a lot of people over, but it wasn't illegal.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on January 08, 2016, 03:38:16 pm
That's a pretty weird conflation though.

i don't think he's conflating them, sounds more like he's comparing them.  as in, we arrest kids for this minor offence while bankers get away with a much more harmful offense. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 08, 2016, 03:49:09 pm
I've never been 100% certain what 'conflate' means but I'm always impressed when people use it because then I think they're smart.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 08, 2016, 03:50:35 pm
For example, I could say "I find it strange that the kid who smokes marijuana gets arrested but Sweetcell can be a big dumb jerk and get off scot free."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 08, 2016, 03:54:49 pm
I've never been 100% certain what 'conflate' means but I'm always impressed when people use it because then I think they're smart.
Conflate means to combine two things into one, and it often has the connotation of making a false equivalency or overly simplifying things by lumping two different things together.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 08, 2016, 03:57:59 pm
(http://bestanimations.com/Signs&Shapes/Hearts/heart-animation10.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 08, 2016, 04:09:28 pm
(http://assets.noisey.com/content-images/contentimage/80861/mnw147.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 13, 2016, 06:17:35 pm
Duck dynasty, just endorsed cruz. It's over Donald, it's over.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 13, 2016, 06:18:36 pm
I bet all the GOP nom's were hoping for that endorsment
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 13, 2016, 06:20:58 pm
I am curious, as to who Bowie would give his endorsement to? I think we should have a debate stage with 10 different psychics, each one channeling dead David Bowie, and seeing who comes out on top! $5,000 a ticket, dude.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 14, 2016, 12:56:41 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYpYBefW8AAi9O9.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 14, 2016, 10:57:10 am
Watch this to get high without any drugs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 14, 2016, 10:58:24 am
I mean, it's like a great Simpsons bit brought to real life.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 14, 2016, 05:37:44 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12400464_10206762405556531_2668923946383167182_n.jpg?oh=6c7de01061205ef652128e1e2cc69e9d&oe=5740007F)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on January 14, 2016, 06:22:51 pm
Watch this to get high without any drugs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g)

is that real?  there something that looks GCI/green-screen about it... like those girls were superimposed on a scene of a trump gathering.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 14, 2016, 06:25:14 pm
You know, I can watch videos of people getting killed, videos of people having the most disgusting  hardcore sex you've ever seen, but for some reason, I just couldn't watch that video. That was the creepiest most disturbing thing I have ever witnessed in my life.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 14, 2016, 06:36:52 pm
Damn... The crowd only starts cheering once they sing "or get crushed every time".  Also that crowd is even less diverse than the Oscar nominations...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 14, 2016, 06:37:40 pm
Watch this to get high without any drugs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g)

is that real?  there something that looks GCI/green-screen about it... like those girls were superimposed on a scene of a trump gathering.

SNL is live this week. Imagine how hard they're scrambling right now to do something on this. Probably Cecily, Aidy and Kate working on the steps as I type this.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 14, 2016, 06:54:49 pm
There are just so many incredible things about this.

-- the fact that the short one looks exactly like Ted Cruz
-- when the two taller girls lift the short one approximately 1 centimeter off the ground
-- "DEAL FROM STRENGTH OR GET CRUSHED EVERY TIME!!!"
-- the fact that they're clearly lip-syncing a song that has at least 5 voices in the chorus
-- the fact that one of these girls is probably a future Mrs. Trump, probably the one on the left
-- Gray haired guy sitting in middle of screen who can't quite nail the clap beat
-- When they get trapped behind the lectern

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 14, 2016, 06:59:26 pm
-- the fact that the short one looks exactly like Ted Cruz

Can't unsee that now.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on January 14, 2016, 07:00:45 pm
Because...Florida.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 15, 2016, 03:26:47 pm
interesting Bill Maher comment in an interview with politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/07/judge-unseals-more-details-in-jeffrey-epstein-underage-sex-lawsuit-210065)

And I know Nate Silver and lots of other people say it?s impossible for Donald Trump to get elected president, but as I?ve always said: Something is impossible until it isn?t. And so far, Donald Trump has defied everybody?s predictions, and he?s still there, and he only seems to get stronger. The guy eats third rails for breakfast. I mean, what would he have to say? He?s already said, ?Carly Fiorina, you?re too ugly to be president! John McCain, you?re not a war hero! Hey, would you like to see my impression of a guy with cerebral palsy?? I mean, what would he have to do, fart in Jesus? face or call Ronald Reagan a fag? I have no idea what this guy would have to do to make his crowd turn on him. He?s like a movie monster who only gets stronger with the stuff that you?re using to try to kill him. So with this atmosphere, I think anything is possible?and that means Bernie Sanders is possible.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 15, 2016, 04:58:16 pm
you know, i have to say it . . . trump was good, and likable on morning joe today.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 19, 2016, 11:40:20 pm
(http://insider.foxnews.com/sites/insider.foxnews.com/files/fired.gif)
what's next locust or boils
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 20, 2016, 01:20:35 am
I find the fact some people take Sanders seriously mind boggling..but in general I'm keeping quiet and watching things...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on January 20, 2016, 09:55:36 am
I find the fact some people take Sanders seriously mind boggling..but in general I'm keeping quiet and watching things...

That's what they said about Obama, and he was black, on top of being a socialist (and he probably liked Coldplay too. No way does a grumpy old man like Sanders listen to Coldplay.)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 20, 2016, 10:11:55 am
Obama.... on top of being a socialist (and he probably liked Coldplay too. No way does a grumpy old man like Sanders listen to Coldplay.)
Space...Nailed it!

I imagine Berrnie like Simon and Garfunkel and Leo Kottke
 as well as the Wu Tang Clan
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on January 20, 2016, 10:27:39 am
Obama.... on top of being a socialist (and he probably liked Coldplay too. No way does a grumpy old man like Sanders listen to Coldplay.)
Space...Nailed it!

I imagine Berrnie like Simon and Garfunkel and Leo Kottke
 as well as the Wu Tang Clan

I was wondering what kind of music Bernie has on his gizmo.

Well he tells us, right hea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL3gn9FCJNE
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 20, 2016, 10:51:38 am
three things:

1. Will be 75 when he is sworn in.. lets think about that.. a President who would be 79 towards the end of his FIRST term...
2. socialist wants to break up banks, nationalize health care, raise taxes
3. jewish


maybe the country has changed dramatically in the last few years..... my guess is most of the US has no idea who Bernie sanders is other than the "not Hillary democrat"... I could see Trump beating Sanders 60-40.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on January 20, 2016, 10:54:40 am
three things:

1. Will be 75 when he is sworn in.. lets think about that.. a President who would be 79 towards the end of his FIRST term...
2. socialist wants to break up banks, nationalize health care, raise taxes
3. jewish


maybe the country has changed dramatically in the last few years..... my guess is most of the US has no idea who Bernie sanders is other than the "not Hillary democrat"... I could see Trump beating Sanders 60-40.

Perhaps you didn't click on my link. He has Willie on his gizmo. Does America need to know anything beyond that? I bet Trump likes Coldplay.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 11:44:44 am
I could see Trump beating Sanders 60-40.
Can we just start quoting Hutch's insanity for posterity's sake. What an absolute idiot who knows nothing about politics.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 20, 2016, 11:59:35 am
No presidential election is going to swing 60-40, but I hate to say it: I think Trump beats Sanders in a general. From my perspective, there's way more loony far-right idiots than there are loony far-left idiots, and they're much more motivated to not only vote, but to organize, to rally, to work phone banks, to arrange transportation.

I think the country is more leftward than the GOP candidates claim, but I also think most people want to be entertained and the Presidential race has become another sport. If its Donald v Bernie, Donald unleashes zinger after zinger, Bernie struggles to keep up, and the right cheers for their Alpha Male candidate.

Don't forget that Trump has unlimited money. This is very significant. He will never have to cut resources in one state in order to shore up another state. He will never have to tie together coalitions of competing interests. He'll never have to waste time holding fundraising parties. Bernie will still have to do all of that.

If Hillary is the candidate, I think she can take ahold of the narrative and defeat Trump. But I feel like if he's under fire, Bernie's persona will evolve into

(https://media.giphy.com/media/VHOx82sSfSOIg/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 12:04:11 pm
Donald Trump will not get the GOP nomination. Anyone who thinks otherwise has an IQ in the 60s. His net favorability ratings among Republicans is 25-30 percentage points lower than Cruz or Rubio. His net favorability ratings among independents is -27%. He is unelectable. The second fringe candidates for the GOP nomination start to drop, the 65% of the Republican party who do not like him will coalesce around an establishment candidate. Again, look at who was leading in the polls in prior election cycles at this time.

How would Sanders do against Mike Huckabee, because he's your 2012 analogue to Trump.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 20, 2016, 12:08:08 pm
Ok smart guy, who wins the GOP nomination?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 12:14:09 pm
Ok smart guy, who wins the GOP nomination?
It'll be one of Cruz, Rubio, or Bush. Whoever is in the best shape of those 3 after SC, the establishment will coalesce around them, the same way they have in the last two GOP nominations. I would find Bush, by far, the least likely of the three at current. I would find Rubio the most likely as of 1/20.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 20, 2016, 12:21:11 pm
nope.  trump, trump, trump . . . all the way.  whether you like it or not.  I have not seen this much momentum for any candidate, whether either party, for awhile.  he's crazy and real and straight forward and an entertainer and a business man and a carnival barker.  he is, this country. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 20, 2016, 12:21:22 pm
Donald Trump   net favorability ratings among independents is -27%.
that is something that I keep saying, but doesn't seem to get traction
there is no way he can win a national

Independents are key and they are running away from trump like a smelly fart


Trump has changed things and a 6 month significant lead is really impressive
but getting the bozos who vote in Rebpub primaries are different than the people who come out on Election Day
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 12:29:38 pm
nope.  trump, trump, trump . . . all the way.  whether you like it or not.  I have not seen this much momentum for any candidate, whether either party, for awhile. 
He's Howard Dean.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 12:32:25 pm
We should also consider that the GOP nom process is pretty odd in that the deep south states and Iowa and many others (which coincidentally are the ones that the Trumps and Cruzes of the world play best in) are all proportional delegate states and more establishment-friendly states later in the primary cycle are winner-take-all.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 20, 2016, 12:44:17 pm
nope.  trump, trump, trump . . . all the way.  whether you like it or not.  I have not seen this much momentum for any candidate, whether either party, for awhile. 
He's Howard Dean.
just looking it up
interesting that the Iowa caucaus's were held Jan 19th in 2004
08 and 12 they were Jan 3rd

Why the Fcuk to they change this stuff around
I'm fine with states that do caucuses going first, but why can't all the other states just go on super Tuesday

the states that go in May and June...what's the point.  Kinda just wasting taxpayer money at that point



TIL - Both parties then enacted stricter timing rules for 2016: primaries and caucuses cannot start until February 1; and only Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada are entitled to February contests
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 20, 2016, 12:46:14 pm
proportional delegate states and more establishment-friendly states later in the primary cycle are winner-take-all.

This too drives me crazy about elections...I don't think winner-take-all is a good way to do elections
it basically invalidates millions of votes in big states that could have turned the election
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: shemptiness on January 20, 2016, 12:59:22 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZKUYhaWcAEOm2Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 20, 2016, 01:02:08 pm
Classic Kuntzman
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 01:08:27 pm
Classic Kuntzman
I mean, I'm sure most of us thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 20, 2016, 01:23:03 pm
Donald Trump will not get the GOP nomination. Anyone who thinks otherwise has an IQ in the 60s.
I do not believe a person with an IQ of 60 would care who gets the nomination, nor would they have any thoughts towards the matter...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 01:26:33 pm
Donald Trump will not get the GOP nomination. Anyone who thinks otherwise has an IQ in the 60s.
I do not believe a person with an IQ of 60 would care who gets the nomination, nor would they have any thoughts towards the matter...
Oh, I disagree. I definitely think Ted Cruz cares who gets the nomination.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 20, 2016, 01:54:46 pm
Donald Trump will not get the GOP nomination. Anyone who thinks otherwise has an IQ in the 60s.
I do not believe a person with an IQ of 60 would care who gets the nomination, nor would they have any thoughts towards the matter...
Oh, I disagree. I definitely think Ted Cruz cares who gets the nomination.

I really don't like cruz for a long list of reasons...but he's a pretty sharp cookie (unlike HWBush)

graduated Princeton cum laude.
   (wait for walkie to comment on this one)

on the debate team at Harvard Law, and got as far as the world championship semifinals before losing to Australia.
 (GGGRR those aussies are such good debaters)

He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review


(seems like a good job if you want to be president or Supreme court Justice!)
 
Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz described him as "off the charts brilliant".
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 20, 2016, 01:58:24 pm
(http://media.salon.com/2013/10/ted_cruz7.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 20, 2016, 02:06:06 pm
Cruz is a lot of things, but he seems far from feeble-minded.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 02:07:50 pm
Don't dissect the jokes, people.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 20, 2016, 02:12:06 pm
My response was supposed to be meta.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 20, 2016, 02:21:34 pm
My response was supposed to be meta.
You gotta tag it "META:" then, man. How else are we supposed to know?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 20, 2016, 02:27:22 pm
Because one should know.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on January 20, 2016, 02:57:40 pm
(GGGRR those aussies are such good debaters)

one might even say they are master debaters.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 20, 2016, 03:02:16 pm
Ha Ha That means they touch themselves pleasurably!!!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 20, 2016, 03:02:35 pm
You might even say they enjoy being down under
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 20, 2016, 03:02:58 pm
Because that's where their genitals are located!!!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on January 20, 2016, 04:33:32 pm
relaxer has, once and for all, decisively disproven the old adage that if you if have to explain a joke, it wasn't funny.  well done sir!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 20, 2016, 04:49:42 pm
?For the record, Tom Brady was framed,? he says, to inevitable cheers about the Patriots quarterback. ?I?m not willing to pander on much? ? laughter ? ?but on that, Tom Brady was framed, and I have it on good authority that Hillary Clinton was responsible.? More cheers. ?Why else do you think she destroyed her emails?? This is not actually funny, but for New Hampshire Republicans, it amounts to a double-stuffed serving of red meat.

t.cruz
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 20, 2016, 05:10:40 pm
I could see Trump beating Sanders 60-40.
Can we just start quoting Hutch's insanity for posterity's sake. What an absolute idiot who knows nothing about politics.


What are you trying to say?

 ;)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 20, 2016, 05:29:52 pm
I could see Trump beating Sanders 60-40.
Can we just start quoting Hutch's insanity for posterity's sake. What an absolute idiot who knows nothing about politics.


What are you trying to say?

 ;)

Trump and Sanders debate (https://www.arlnow.com/2016/01/20/fake-donald-trump-to-debate-fake-bernie-sanders-at-arlington-drafthouse/) in Arlington!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 21, 2016, 02:17:15 pm
Donald Trump is poised for the strongest primary performance in modern history (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-is-poised-for-the-strongest-primary-performance-in-modern-history/ar-BBoweeT?ocid=spartanntp)

The usual response to these sorts of claims is that polling this far out doesn't really mean much. Contests can get especially volatile as we approach an election date, nobody is paying attention yet, and Trump is riding primarily on name-recognition. But the distinctive feature of the 2016 Republican primary polling has not been its volatility but its stability ? at least at the top, where Trump sits


What is scary is this thread was surely started in jest...but more and more it looks like he'll be the nom


I did see a funny bumper sticker today (probably been around for a decade but new to me)

(https://www.nrcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Hill-no-photo2.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 21, 2016, 02:40:40 pm
Obama.... on top of being a socialist (and he probably liked Coldplay too. No way does a grumpy old man like Sanders listen to Coldplay.)
Space...Nailed it!

I imagine Berrnie like Simon and Garfunkel and Leo Kottke
 as well as the Wu Tang Clan

Did I fuckin call it or what !

New Sanders Ad Uses Simon & Garfunkel Classic 'America'  (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/new-sanders-ad-uses-simon-garfunkel-classic-america-n501061?cid=sm_fb)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 21, 2016, 06:34:19 pm
It turns out Donald Trump's father was the racist landlord Woody Guthrie hated (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/21/1472974/-It-turns-out-Donald-Trump-s-father-was-the-racist-landlord-Woody-Guthrie-hated?detail=facebook)

(yes, cross posted)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 22, 2016, 01:20:30 pm
(http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2016-01-21-national-review-against-trump-cover-640-668x501.jpg)

Against Trump," declared the cover of the National Review, a leading voice of the American right founded by the late commentator William F Buckley.

"Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones," it said in a lead editorial.

The publication followed up with essays by 22 conservative figures who took turns denouncing Trump, the frontrunner in the race for the Republican presidential nomination.

Calling him "astoundingly ignorant," a "charlatan," a "glib egomaniac" and plain "crazy," the conservatives expressed revulsion at the prospect of a President Trump -- and what he might do to the nation and to the Republican brand.

With just over a week to go before the first presidential nominating vote in Iowa, their views also reflected the panic that Trump has set off within a Republican establishment deeply at odds with the celebrity billionaire's angry, populist message
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 22, 2016, 01:45:12 pm
I love Trump's response to the National Review..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 22, 2016, 01:55:42 pm
I love Trump's response to the National Review..
this...
National Review is a failing publication that has lost it's way. It's circulation is way down w its influence being at an all time low. Sad!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 22, 2016, 02:05:14 pm
Does his responses ever sound any different?  I think he has an app that responds to everything.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 22, 2016, 10:58:50 pm
Cruz doesn't have health insurance for himself or his family....oy

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-ted-cruz-blames-naturally-obamacare-20160121-column.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 22, 2016, 11:14:32 pm
Cruz doesn't have health insurance for himself or his family....oy

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-ted-cruz-blames-naturally-obamacare-20160121-column.html

The whole his wife worked for Goldman Sacks is just further proof of why he is such a hypocrite.. trying to pawn himself of as some sort of common man railing against the government...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on January 24, 2016, 02:42:40 pm
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZgW20wUYAAbdqW.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on January 24, 2016, 02:47:27 pm
Trump likes Bon Jovi. For real.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 25, 2016, 01:50:18 pm
Santorum acknowledges end might be near (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/24/santorum-acknowledges-end-might-near/79264786/)

Really, what makes you think that Rick?
that you can't even get a single percentage point in any poll might be a clue


looking like Cruz and Trump are going to go head to head
Rubio still eking out double digits in the polls, but I doubt he'll due well in the guns and butter crowd

poor jeb, all that money and no real support.  Wonder how the fat-cats who funded that $100 million super pac are feeling about their investment now. 
It is good to know you can't totally buy an election

Endorsements don't really mean much per se, but this chart  (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/)is so lopsided against polling

Republican establishment has just about zero pull with the voters (or pollsters) is seems
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on January 25, 2016, 04:29:38 pm
did see this mentioned here:

Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/

now it's getting scary.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 25, 2016, 04:31:55 pm
Well, he'd probably lose a few if he shot a white guy. But a brown skinned gentleman in a turban? He probably hits 45%
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on January 27, 2016, 04:03:53 pm
What the Huck? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_pEGVpQfc)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on January 27, 2016, 04:11:20 pm
What the Huck? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_pEGVpQfc)

The one thing that always comes to mind when I see this guy? I can't believe that he once ran a marathon.

Why Julian doesn't fat shame this guy (or Christie) is beyond me. I can only think that he simply enjoys picking on fat women more than fat men.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 27, 2016, 04:16:48 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/946122_2900502157161_8084596230008294068_n.jpg?oh=34a3fc40c49b2ea9fb4d11477857d454&oe=57342528)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on January 27, 2016, 04:29:44 pm
trump will be on the "all spin zone" smacking down fox..

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on January 27, 2016, 04:35:13 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/946122_2900502157161_8084596230008294068_n.jpg?oh=34a3fc40c49b2ea9fb4d11477857d454&oe=57342528)

i need to start following Relaxer on twitter... thanks.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 27, 2016, 04:45:04 pm
Why Julian doesn't fat shame this guy (or Christie) is beyond me. I can only think that he simply enjoys picking on fat women more than fat men.
I assure you, I'd fat shame the hell out of Christie.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on January 27, 2016, 04:57:17 pm
Quite frankly I'm surprised and disappointed in myself that I didn't set up a weedguy420boner twitter account. I mean, that's me to a 'T'

Also chagrined to see that someone claimed the LonerWithABoner tag
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 27, 2016, 05:05:19 pm
does his boner, smoke weed too?  that, i'd like to see.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 27, 2016, 05:25:46 pm
does his boner, smoke weed too?  that, i'd like to see.
Somewhere out there there is some dude blowing weed up their urethra and taking alcohol enemas at the same time. And one day you'll find him, Walkie.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 27, 2016, 06:54:30 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/946122_2900502157161_8084596230008294068_n.jpg?oh=34a3fc40c49b2ea9fb4d11477857d454&oe=57342528)

i need to start following Relaxer on twitter... thanks.
POTW
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 27, 2016, 07:33:40 pm
does his boner, smoke weed too?  that, i'd like to see.
Somewhere out there there is some dude blowing weed up their urethra and taking alcohol enemas at the same time. And one day you'll find him, Walkie.

I, think his name is Richard, from the Howard Stern show.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on January 27, 2016, 10:55:49 pm
trumps boycotts final debate because of some pin up girl from a news entertainment show.

hurts him, or nobody gives a shit?  I say it hurts him and nobody gives a shit.  at this point, America would vote for some meme they saw on facebook.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 28, 2016, 12:51:04 am
at this point, America would vote for some meme they saw on facebook.
Sheev 2016
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8WCwPm5pQ0HujH1gGlgkjHhEbmw1IxxYSxJkcdZwfZ5G5TMoR)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 28, 2016, 12:52:04 am
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/32996562.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 28, 2016, 12:52:39 am
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVSp02aE0kWg0SqjhUjwkRWTHspxC5qYtA3srr4Ux5mRWHSqP4fA)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 28, 2016, 12:53:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/yaorHTf.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Sieve-Fisted on January 28, 2016, 07:39:36 am
Mysterious dude in Iowa is following Ted Cruz around and accusing him of liking Nickelback

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/politics/article/A-mysterious-dude-in-Iowa-keeps-accusing-Ted-Cruz-6785507.php#photo-8955740 (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/politics/article/A-mysterious-dude-in-Iowa-keeps-accusing-Ted-Cruz-6785507.php#photo-8955740)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on January 28, 2016, 08:16:05 am
Mysterious dude in Iowa is following Ted Cruz around and accusing him of liking Nickelback

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/politics/article/A-mysterious-dude-in-Iowa-keeps-accusing-Ted-Cruz-6785507.php#photo-8955740 (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/politics/article/A-mysterious-dude-in-Iowa-keeps-accusing-Ted-Cruz-6785507.php#photo-8955740)

This post probably would have worked better with a pic, like Vansmack did on page 36. ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 30, 2016, 11:03:55 am
(https://i.imgflip.com/y8zzx.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on January 31, 2016, 07:06:33 pm
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/this-video-of-ted-cruzs-daughter-reacting-to-him-shows-how-repulsive-he-is-video/
Damn, even Ted's kids do not want anything to do with him...

Though she of course, she could have just been embarrassed that he was showing PDA while cameras were rolling.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 31, 2016, 11:12:43 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/y8zzx.jpg)
Laughed so hard I woke the kids up!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 31, 2016, 11:26:10 pm
So bordies...throw your bet in on the spread

Nate Silver said A 3-way tie is entirely plausible

or trump could crush.


I have
Cruz  33.1/3 %
Trump 30%
Rubio 12%
Carson 7%
Paul 5%
Bush, Christie, Fiorna 1%

Kasich .001%

Huck and Santorm...why did they even waste ink to put them on the ballot  (funny both these guys won or nearly won Iowa in previous tries)

Yes it doesn't add up to 100%
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 31, 2016, 11:48:12 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12654111_10154576848029778_4527869954491555789_n.jpg?oh=6daeb99a055be5e46170bc75a42a8b2a&oe=5742EBD8)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2016, 12:03:09 am
^I saw that.. its not just stupid but also factually incorrect

three and a half years between the release of OK Computer and Kid A.

I'm not sure what people find funny about it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 12:34:58 pm
everyone was talking about that trump rally with the little girls dancing

but did you see this one (https://www.facebook.com/59361857128/videos/10153330287767129/)
really jumping the shark
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 01, 2016, 12:44:03 pm
^I saw that.. its not just stupid but also factually incorrect
three and a half years between the release of OK Computer and Kid A.
I'm not sure what people find funny about it.

Says the guy who posts:
(https://i.imgflip.com/yehy2.jpg)

They are called the FIRST Order, not the New Order... So your factually incorrect post was not funny.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 01:05:36 pm
^nerds really love to split hairs
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 01, 2016, 01:23:18 pm
Not really. 

But it was worth pointing out that he called someone out on a meme being factually incorrect, and then the next day, posted a factually incorrect meme. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 01, 2016, 01:52:32 pm
My conventional wisdom mindset says it'll be Trump, Cruz, Rubio, but instead I'm going to close my eyes and type what's in my heart:

as@+ks;./h ehraweuh 87as#s;d

whoops, ok eyes are back open.

Cruz 30
Trump 25
Rubio 25
Christie 5-10
Bush 5
Carson 5
everyone else zzzz

Cruz cruzes to the win, and Trump and Rubio tie for second, which is a huge victory for the Rube and a major loss by Trump, who correctly identifies Iowans as infected idiot-losers and promises to never again set foot in the state. He then announces he's running for Governor of Iowa, somehow instantly wins, and then flies back to Manhattan forever and never speaks in public again. Rubio meanwhile smiles so widely and fiercely he loses 5 pounds and 7 years. Later that evening, he will be denied entry into his own victory party.

Christie gets just enough support to crow that he's trending upward, Ben says he's disappointed but has a base to build on as he slashes his campaign staff by 80 percent, Jeb!s face gets permanently pink but he presses onto NH, Carly begins Phase 2 of Operation VP, Kasich bursts into angry flames, and nobody watches or notices what Paul, Santorum and Gilmore do.

For the Democrats, Hillary edges out a squeaker on the toilet and at the caucuses, beating Bernie 52-48, while MOM sits on an ear of corn and calls it positive momentum. No one cares except the corn.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 02:03:24 pm
but instead I'm going to close my eyes and type what's in my heart:

as@+ks;./h ehraweuh 87as#s;d

whoops, ok eyes are back open.

POTW material!


Quote
Later that evening, he will be denied entry into his own victory party.
that was pretty good too
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 01, 2016, 02:04:47 pm
I'm seeing secret cuss words in that, for some reason.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 01, 2016, 02:05:02 pm
Gilmore
I honestly had to check to confirm he hadn't dropped out.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 01, 2016, 02:05:40 pm
but instead I'm going to close my eyes and type what's in my heart:

as@+ks;./h ehraweuh 87as#s;d

whoops, ok eyes are back open.

POTW material!
Also Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing Stealth-Advertisement of the Week material.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2016, 03:23:09 pm
I just really want Rubio and Cruz to lose..they make me ill..my two Latino brothers blow big bananas (I should write the updated version for the Berenstain Bears B book)

I have no idea how it will go... .Nate Silver is usually on the money but is it even Nate Silver predicting anymore.. he has a big staff now.. also the caucus thing is harder to call..

I can say one thing for sure.. we'll all be winners not having to hear the word IOWA mentioned for another four years..

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 01, 2016, 03:26:57 pm
I just can't believe the four top choices are Hillary, Bernie, Trump, and Cruz. Good lord, what crappy options.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 01, 2016, 03:27:32 pm
didn't you guys see this.  it's over, johnny.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-final-des-moines-register-iowa-poll-is-out-how-accurate-will-it-be/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 03:38:58 pm
you keep hearing how Iowa voters are really engaged and the primary is a big deal
120,000 expected for the republican
225,000 for the dems

there are 3 million people there....that's a pathetic turn out!

Drives me nuts

at least in NH...there is 1.2 million people and almost the same amount turn out for the primary

This primary and electoral process just gets me pissed off

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 01, 2016, 03:50:51 pm
Well to be fair or something, Iowa isn't like other states. I'm admittedly ignorant on what it means to caucus (unless it means to witness someone waving his or her dong at you and the group you're with) but I know you have to be standing somewhere at 7:00 pm sharp and then you move around the room according to who you support. It sounds stupid and boring but it's probably the most exercise Iowans get nowadays so I say let freedom roll.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 01, 2016, 03:51:20 pm
I get more upset that people still think Iowa and NH matter.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 01, 2016, 03:53:08 pm
They used to get better turnout back when it was the Ames Straw Poll but yeah. Also caucusing is basically a winner takes all per district/location thing which is insane.

But yes, Vansmack is right: the idea that these two states are representative is inane. How's Iowa and NH done recently in getting winners?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 01, 2016, 03:55:51 pm
Huckabee and Santorum won the past two Iowan cockuses so there's your horny harbinger right there.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 01, 2016, 03:56:54 pm
isn't new Hampshire and iowa, like 100 percent white people?  how does that, mean anything?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 01, 2016, 03:57:31 pm
But the past two GOP NH winners were Mitt and McCain, so they're a little more in line with the Real World
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 01, 2016, 05:18:09 pm
my two Latino brothers blow big bananas

i strongly suggest that folks have "safe search" turned on when googling the above phrase.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 05:20:43 pm
Relaxer thanks for posting your predictions (and comedy)...I'd like to see some more
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2016, 06:13:08 pm
you have to think based on everything one is seeing  that the momentum tonight is with sanders and rubio....rubio a bit too late but we shall see...even if he gets close to second place one could see a scenario where the backers of say kasich and bush decide to rally around him in NH..... hillary is trying to hang on to her voters/enthusiasm but its a slog.. ... trump is having an easier time in a far more fragmented field... cruz seems to be flailing but if he gets the huckabee/santorum effect (wacko evangelicals caucusing for him out of the woodwork) who knows?

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 01, 2016, 08:28:59 pm
trump, with his 13 year old daughter, in 1996 . . . posing on a statue of parrots fucking


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaDwN5zWQAE-qvW.jpg:large)



creepazoid robots, please report to the dance floor.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 10:16:31 pm
One of my favorite creepy trump quotes:

hen asked how he would react if Ivanka, a former teen model, posed for Playboy, Trump replied, ?It would be really disappointing ? not really ? but it would depend on what?s inside the magazine.?

He added: ?I don?t think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. I?ve said if Ivanka weren?t my daughter, perhaps I?d be dating her.?

His comments drew laughs from the audience, and prompted ?View? co-host Joy Behar to crack, ?Who are you, Woody Allen??
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2016, 10:47:51 pm
I don't really get into talking about other people's kids..

wow.. looks like Trump made a big mistake not going after Rubio...


looks like Cruz takes it with Rubio nipping at Trump's heels...evangelicals come through again... in record numbers and make sure the main wacko takes it...

its going to get real ugly before NH

the democratic caucus looks like a toss up...


I would love for Cruz to get the Republican nomination.... Trump not so much.. and Rubio I have to think could be dangerous....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 01, 2016, 10:48:21 pm
Kid rock has endorsed Trump, the bigger question is will he get the Juggalo vote.. wait juggalo's probably aren't registered voters, so nevermind...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2016, 11:27:00 pm
with 97% Rubio is barely behind Trump...

You could feel the Rubio surge the last couple of days.. Trump made a big mistake ignoring him....he spent his whole time talking about Cruz and it cost him..

Its hard to break it down completely... Does Trump all of a sudden lose his support in NH? I doubt it... so you could end up with a 3 man race... its hard to see Bush/Kasich/Christie or any of those guys doing much of anything when Rubio is so clearly the "sane" choice with a chance....basically voters willing to vote for an establishment guy made their choice in Iowa for Rubio.... but NH has a history of doing things different...and independents- I think can vote in NH- which could prove a boon to Trump... the Republican debate will be fascinating...

hoping Hillary hangs on.. a win is a win.. yes we'll hear about how well Sanders did and all that "feel the bern" idiocy (guys, time to retire that line..) but a win is a win....at this point the difference is about 1% if not less!!!!!!

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 11:31:03 pm
Huck...suspends
Hill barely holding on to the lead!
how'd MOM get 1%
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 01, 2016, 11:36:43 pm
MOM about to suspend his campaign.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 11:45:04 pm
Cruz 30
Trump 25
Rubio 25
Christie 5-10
Bush 5
Carson 5
pretty close
Cruz 28
Trump 24
Rubio 23
Carson 9
Paul 4
Christie 2 (way off on this one)
Bush 3
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 11:45:35 pm
MOM about to suspend his campaign.
If he'd done that at 6PM...do you think Bernie would have won?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 01, 2016, 11:51:52 pm
120,000 expected for the republican
225,000 for the dems

Republican turnout tonight now projects to be around 180,000
haven't heard about the dems yet

but I think that's good news, looks like it favored Rubio?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 01, 2016, 11:53:36 pm
My mom is the only Cruz supporter I know. I wonder if I should call /wake her up tonight and get her reaction?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2016, 12:58:32 am
very excited HIllary CLinton won Iowa... and that I never have to hear about Iowa again..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 02, 2016, 08:12:08 am
and that I never have to hear about Iowa again..
amen!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 02, 2016, 11:20:43 am
Six precinct's were decided with a coin toss. Hillary won each of them.

source (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/coin-toss-broke-6-clinton-sanders-deadlocks-in-iowa-and-hillary-won-each-time-2016-02-02)

sounds like a conspiracy to me!
you know she made sure they had two sided coins on hand
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 02, 2016, 11:57:46 am
Six precinct's were decided with a coin toss. Hillary won each of them.

source (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/coin-toss-broke-6-clinton-sanders-deadlocks-in-iowa-and-hillary-won-each-time-2016-02-02)

sounds like a conspiracy to me!
you know she made sure they had two sided coins on hand

One in 64 chance of that happening if you're keeping score.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 02, 2016, 01:12:30 pm
wasn't sure if I should post this in the musicological thread
(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/bernie-sanders-starman.jpg?w=807)

Bernie Sanders celebrates Iowa caucus victory with David Bowie?s ?Starman? (http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/02/bernie-sanders-celebrates-iowa-caucus-victory-with-david-bowies-starman-watch/)

Ahead of Tuesday?s caucus, Sanders held a campaign rally that featured performances from Vampire Weekend and Foster the People. Other prominent musicians who have lent their support to the campaign include Jeff Tweedy, Killer Mike, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who will host a ?Feel the Bern? benefit concert at The Theatre at Ace Hotel in Los Angeles on February 5.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 02, 2016, 01:22:47 pm
Are we done with the narrative that Sanders and/or Trump has a chance at their party's nominations or are you all still idiots?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 02, 2016, 01:37:54 pm
or are you all still idiots?
quite possibly so
with Jeff tweedy, so goes the country
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 02, 2016, 01:38:40 pm
with Jeff tweedy, so goes the country
So no one is watching the Super Bowl?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 02, 2016, 01:43:40 pm
with Jeff tweedy, so goes the country
So no one is watching the Super Bowl?
Is Coldplay still doing halftime...then yes
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 02, 2016, 03:31:51 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/fVkwoWjfrXcBy/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 03, 2016, 10:23:32 am
and so goes paul...


Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 03, 2016, 10:52:54 am
Now here is an endorsement (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEX-rblF1Ik) I can get behind!
light up for progress and change!

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-569345b5/turbine/la-pol-prez-tommy-chong-sanders-ad-20160110-002/650/650x366)

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 03, 2016, 11:26:39 am

OH SHIT GAME-CHANGING ANNOUNCEMENT















































(http://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2016/02/Screen-Shot-2016-02-02-at-10.15.51-PM-640x379.png)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 03, 2016, 02:48:00 pm
^ all of a sudden i'm voting republican...

cruz might be popular in Iowa, but his daughter wants none of him:

(http://giant.gfycat.com/CornyDesertedAmmonite.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 03, 2016, 02:57:16 pm
Poor thing, she probably never sees her dad.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 03, 2016, 03:17:36 pm
Six precinct's were decided with a coin toss. Hillary won each of them.

source (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/coin-toss-broke-6-clinton-sanders-deadlocks-in-iowa-and-hillary-won-each-time-2016-02-02)

sounds like a conspiracy to me!
you know she made sure they had two sided coins on hand

CNN seems to be reporting otherwise: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/02/politics/hillary-clinton-coin-flip-iowa-bernie-sanders/index.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 03, 2016, 04:08:26 pm
Six precinct's were decided with a coin toss. Hillary won each of them.

source (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/coin-toss-broke-6-clinton-sanders-deadlocks-in-iowa-and-hillary-won-each-time-2016-02-02)

sounds like a conspiracy to me!
you know she made sure they had two sided coins on hand

One in 64 chance of that happening if you're keeping score.

I meant to reply to this..so 1.6% chance is a different way to put that same response
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 03, 2016, 06:06:09 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7ZeC2C6WBLzdwAQE/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 03, 2016, 09:35:12 pm
And Santorum faces reality and weeps
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 03, 2016, 10:04:03 pm
And Santorum faces reality and weeps

more like sells out to the highest bidder...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 04, 2016, 11:36:42 am
jeb!

jeb?

jeb...

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/02/04/jeb-bush-audience-please-clap-new-hampshire-sot.cnn
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2016, 01:16:38 pm
ha ha the ragin cajun.. so funny


"Well, you can't be any more progressive than Bernie Sanders.. I mean???"


so true......
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 04, 2016, 01:34:32 pm
ha ha the ragin cajun.. so funny


"Well, you can't be any more progressive than Bernie Sanders.. I mean???"


so true......
well except on gun control...but for all the pros in my mind, I'm willing to give him a pass

Hil is going to crush in VA primaries, so I'll be voting for the sandman
if it's a nail biter in VA, I'll have to wrestle with my conscience
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2016, 01:35:32 pm
ha ha the ragin cajun.. so funny


"Well, you can't be any more progressive than Bernie Sanders.. I mean???"


so true......
well except on gun control...but for all the pros in my mind, I'm willing to give him a pass

Hil is going to crush in VA primaries, so I'll be voting for the sandman
if it's a nail biter in VA, I'll have to wrestle with my conscience

i don't think you understand the way Carville meant it...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 04, 2016, 01:37:37 pm

i don't think you understand the way Carville meant it...
didn't watch the vid  ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2016, 01:44:35 pm

i don't think you understand the way Carville meant it...
didn't watch the vid  ;D

use your imagination
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 04, 2016, 02:34:37 pm
MUST CHECK OUT: http://trumpdonald.org/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 04, 2016, 02:40:34 pm
What does it mean if trump wins new Hampshire, like everyone is saying he is?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 04, 2016, 02:47:23 pm
What does it mean if trump wins new Hampshire, like everyone is saying he is?

Nothing.

The primaries don't really start to matter until South Carolina and then Super Tuesday.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 04, 2016, 02:51:56 pm
The primaries don't really start to matter until South Carolina and then Super Tuesday.
Shh... don't let facts get in the way of the "Trump is a savvy politician who is winning the nomination" narrative that keeps getting discussed on here.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 04, 2016, 02:55:18 pm
what is a little scary is the title of this thread was I'm sure pure snark

it's crazy how close to reality that prediction might be...Sweets might need to hook me up with canuck couch I can surf for 4-8 years if so
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 04, 2016, 02:59:41 pm
I went for a long run at lunch and thought about nothing but the election. I hate to say it, but I am starting to realize that we're in for President Rubio.

I don't know exactly what happens in NH for the GOP but I don't think it matters. Trump's star is in its decline and the GOP is going to let him flame himself out. Trump was all about being perceived as a winner and now that fantasy has been pricked, he's going to decline to middle of the pack and then he's absolutely done.

Meanwhile, the race is going to come down to Cruz vs Rubio, and there is not one person in the universe, apart from his wife, that can look at Ted Cruz's fat fucking face for so long without vomiting. Plus, Rubio's battles with Cruz will make him appear much more moderate, reasonable and attractive. While starting off slow-ish in Iowa and even possibly NH, he starts to really pick up as Trump fades. He becomes the "Oh thank god" candidate and he secures the nomination.

Meanwhile, Hillary and Bernie continue to pound each other out, and this drags into March/April. Hillary, suddenly realizing she's getting Baracked again, goes intensely negative. Bernie responds in turn, and by the time Hillary limps over the finish line, she's badly wounded. Even worse, the perception will be that she barely beat someone she should've trounced, while Rubio defeated the evil forces conspiring to kill the Republican Party. To middle-of-the-spectrum undecideds, Rubio seems energetic, poised, passionate, plus voting for the first Hispanic president gives everyone a warm feeling.

Going into the general, Rubio will have major wind at his back as the GOP breathes a sigh of relief that they didn't shit the bed completely with Trump or Cruz. Plus here's their chance to get the White House back! Republicans are fired up and ready to go. Meanwhile, Hillary has crushed the hopes and dreams of the progressives who were inspired by Bernie. She'll still have her defenders but she'll get frantic when Rubio consistently polls better than her, and her shrillness will thoroughly turn off those Democrats who would've sucked it up and voted for her. On Election Day, Rubio wins decidedly.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xk0Iu6g7G08/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 04, 2016, 03:18:46 pm
. He becomes the "Oh thank god" candidate and he secures the nomination.
relaxer, you never cease with your awesomeness
Quote
plus voting for the first Hispanic president gives everyone a warm feeling.

I highly doubt the people who want to build a wall and kick out 12 million will go to the polls to vote for Rico suave
(https://vsvevg.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/rico-suave1.jpg)
But you do have a really salient point on the independents...who are pretty much the largest political party

oh boy

We are really in trouble if isis beheads some blond cheerleader
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 04, 2016, 03:24:20 pm
. He becomes the "Oh thank god" candidate and he secures the nomination.
relaxer, you never cease with your awesomeness
Quote
plus voting for the first Hispanic president gives everyone a warm feeling.

I highly doubt the people who want to build a wall and kick out 12 million will go to the polls to vote for Rico suave
(https://vsvevg.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/rico-suave1.jpg)
But you do have a really salient point on the independents...who are pretty much the largest political party

oh boy

We are really in trouble if isis beheads some blond cheerleader


Well thank you.
That said, I think the moderate Republicans and in-the-middles all blanched silently at Trump's immigration proposal. That was red-meat ignorance served up to idiots who think voting in the primary means "There I done voted and don't got to again for 4 years so is Trump presodent now?"

Now I would almost wonder if some ISIS action would actually benefit Hillary. My concern on her is that she's a secret hawk, and if there's an international incident, she's going to go Steel Thatcher on everyone and Rubio's voice is going to start quivering again and he'll be all

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Kdh58SaJ_Yg/VTZOx0vtK9I/AAAAAAAAHwo/OgpSOlJLkpY/s1600/rubio-photo-731024882.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 04, 2016, 03:25:45 pm
He becomes the "Oh thank god" candidate and he secures the nomination.
Or as I or Nate Silver would call it "the person the party establishment rallies around."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2016, 05:52:40 pm
I don't buy it... if the economy keeps creating jobs and we don't have any terrorist attacks inshallah I think Hillary wins..

I'm also not counting Trump out.. things can change quickly...

I can say Sanders has no chance of ever being elected and pulling Hillary leftwards is a recipe for disaster.. his lemming supporters seem obliviious to reality though
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: jeffml on February 04, 2016, 06:20:00 pm
I wouldn't call Carson or Fiorina hot candidates.  Without evangelical nutjobs, Carson's numbers will plummet down to where Fiorina is hovering - 2%.  Both soon to be ex-candidates, thankfully.

Trump's kind of a sideshow.  I think the better story of the primary season is that Hillary Clinton is losing to a 71-year old Socialist in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

I agree that the Trump thing looks and smells like a sideshow, but the fact is that he's been leading the GOP primaries for months now and there is no indication that he's going down any time soon. This is going well beyond the Gingrich/Cain/Bachmann/Paul/Romney 2012 shitshow where every candidate had his/her turn at the top of the polls. This is Trump out there, totally winging it with no filter, calling everyone idiots, insulting anyone who asks him a slightly penetrating question, and just climbing higher and higher.

The three hottest GOP candidates, Trump, Carson, and Fiorina, have never held any political office yet they account for more than 50 percent of poll "votes". This is the shitshow to watch, no matter what chagrined Republicans say.






Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2016, 06:22:20 pm
just got this depressing email from Hillary.. she keeps asking for money but I don't care.. I dont' think money decides elections at all.....it just goes to overpaid idiots (consultants) and pays for stupid ads.. if money had much impact Jeb Bush would be doing far better.. of course money helps... I don't know.. I hate to contribute money to Hillary at this point.. 



Friend --

For the first time this campaign, we're being outraised by our opponent. Bernie raised more than $20 million in January (and another $3 million so far this month) -- we fell short at only $15 million for Hillary for America.

If you've believed that Hillary Clinton is going to win this election because other people are going to step up and take care of it, this should be a very loud wake-up call.

There's no cavalry coming -- it's just people like you who are going to decide whether or not to step up to elect the first woman president our country has ever had.

If you're with her, chip in $1 to show it today:

Donate $1

Thank you,

Dennis

Dennis Cheng
National Finance Director
Hillary for America
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 04, 2016, 06:29:13 pm
I wouldn't call Carson or Fiorina hot candidates.  Without evangelical nutjobs, Carson's numbers will plummet down to where Fiorina is hovering - 2%.  Both soon to be ex-candidates, thankfully.

Trump's kind of a sideshow.  I think the better story of the primary season is that Hillary Clinton is losing to a 71-year old Socialist in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

I agree that the Trump thing looks and smells like a sideshow, but the fact is that he's been leading the GOP primaries for months now and there is no indication that he's going down any time soon. This is going well beyond the Gingrich/Cain/Bachmann/Paul/Romney 2012 shitshow where every candidate had his/her turn at the top of the polls. This is Trump out there, totally winging it with no filter, calling everyone idiots, insulting anyone who asks him a slightly penetrating question, and just climbing higher and higher.

The three hottest GOP candidates, Trump, Carson, and Fiorina, have never held any political office yet they account for more than 50 percent of poll "votes". This is the shitshow to watch, no matter what chagrined Republicans say.


Dude, I made that post six months and 43 pages ago. A wee bit has changed since then, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2016, 06:31:17 pm
come on cut Relaxer some slack he is our in house political pundit and they're supposed to be able to change what they say all the time without being called out on it so leave him be!

(actually I think Relaxer has been pretty spot on overall)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 04, 2016, 06:41:54 pm
just got this depressing email from Hillary.. she keeps asking for money but I don't care.. I dont' think money decides elections at all.....it just goes to overpaid idiots (consultants) and pays for stupid ads.. if money had much impact Jeb Bush would be doing far better.. of course money helps... I don't know.. I hate to contribute money to Hillary at this point.. 

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--vyALJbHc--/o6p5ktoh5h6rfrn9imw7.png) (http://gawker.com/which-candidates-campaign-spends-the-most-money-on-pizz-1756384862)

Maybe she should spend less on pizza (or maybe her staff has too damn many people).
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 04, 2016, 06:56:24 pm
Of course that number represents Christie's personal pizza budget.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 04, 2016, 10:09:48 pm
http://gawker.com/ted-cruz-super-pac-releases-new-ad-that-misspells-the-w-1757129328

Ted Cruz Super PAC Releases New Ad That Misspells the Word "Country"


Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 05, 2016, 12:40:35 am
http://gawker.com/ted-cruz-super-pac-releases-new-ad-that-misspells-the-w-1757129328

Ted Cruz Super PAC Releases New Ad That Misspells the Word "Country"

I can't be the only guy who was hoping for this:

(http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/shooter-jennings-put-the-o-back-in-country.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 05, 2016, 09:55:19 am
Of course that number represents Christie's personal pizza budget.
I greatly believe that Christie campaign number is fudged. There's no way its that low. There's just no way.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 05, 2016, 10:09:31 am
Of course that number represents Christie's personal pizza budget.
I greatly believe that Christie campaign number is fudged. There's no way its that low. There's just no way.
I know and he's from Jersey, I predict this will be his next bridge scandal
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 05, 2016, 10:10:56 am
boy rubio is cheap..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 05, 2016, 10:14:43 am
boy rubio is cheap..
yeah, but they didn't show his campaigns Chimichanga budget

ba-dum ching
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 05, 2016, 10:18:10 am
boy rubio is cheap..
yeah, but they didn't show his campaigns Chimichanga budget

ba-dum ching

yes i thought of going there,,,,,but no,,,

 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 05, 2016, 10:45:29 am
boy rubio is cheap..
yeah, but they didn't show his campaigns Chimichanga budget

ba-dum ching
This reminds me of one of my favorite Bob Griese moment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4XhdgjD64). So good. So damn good.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 05, 2016, 02:04:15 pm
Of course that number represents Christie's personal pizza budget.
I greatly believe that Christie campaign number is fudged. There's no way its that low. There's just no way.
I know and he's from Jersey, I predict this will be his next bridge scandal

Coincidentally, TIL that there's a little town in NJ called Cheesequake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesequake,_New_Jersey)  :o

h/t @TerpWeather (https://twitter.com/TerpWeather)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 05, 2016, 02:07:36 pm
there's a little town in NJ called Cheesequake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesequake,_New_Jersey)  :o

Great f'n band name!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 05, 2016, 02:50:39 pm
An absolutely spectacular read about Ted Cruz (http://theslot.jezebel.com/heres-what-happens-when-you-try-and-track-down-a-ted-cr-1752337625)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 06, 2016, 06:37:40 pm
Ted needs a good trussing:

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/4/1480113/-Ted-Cruz-s-Logo-Hilariously-Appropriate
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2016, 10:51:46 pm
boy rubio is cheap..
yeah, but they didn't show his campaigns Chimichanga budget

ba-dum ching
This reminds me of one of my favorite Bob Griese moment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4XhdgjD64). So good. So damn good.

My dad's favorite football player. Thank you for letting me think of my dad.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 06, 2016, 11:30:56 pm
Hey man, no problem. He was great. His kid will always have a special place in my heart as the QB of the only Michigan football national championship in my lifetime. Long live all things Griese!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 07, 2016, 04:00:07 pm
I did not watch the debate (I was at a show, plus I would never watch a GOP debate) but from the clips I saw, I got three takeaways.

1.  They must have not rehearsed their entrances; that was the most awkward thing that I saw today.
2.  Rubio is a robot who was malfunctioning. 
3.  Trump is ready to start torturing, because, medieval times. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 07, 2016, 04:11:16 pm
I did not watch the debate (I was at a show, plus I would never watch a GOP debate) but from the clips I saw, I got three takeaways.

1.  They must have not rehearsed their entrances; that was the most awkward thing that I saw today.
2.  Rubio is a robot who was malfunctioning. 
3.  Trump is ready to start torturing, because, medieval times. 

Did somebody say we're living in medieval times?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/06/health/200-million-with-fgm/

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 07, 2016, 04:25:10 pm
Should we go torture them?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 07, 2016, 05:00:28 pm
Should we go torture them?

Fuck Starbucks

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/07/world/saudi-starbucks-women-ban-feat/index.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 07, 2016, 05:07:23 pm
(https://45.media.tumblr.com/8776dc25ce65d6822466e28215ef61dd/tumblr_nchvdxyoma1tcxpeio1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 08, 2016, 10:29:25 am
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0NwrDS4yuTHh1lCg/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 08, 2016, 04:16:53 pm
So...in about 30 hours we'll be getting the results in the NH primary

Dem:
Sanders looks like he'll take it

S-60%
H-40%

Reb:
Kasich is gaining some ground, but trump looks to dominate.  Would love to see cruz at 4 or 5
T- 29 %
R- 25%
K-15 %
Cruz- 12%
B - 9 %
Christie - 5%
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 08, 2016, 04:21:48 pm
where the fuck is the relaxer punditry/forecast...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 08, 2016, 05:08:06 pm
I'm kinda stumped, kinda shook. My grand Rubio theory was torpedoed at that last debate. I mean, he just got sat on and farted upon by a giggling, ass-wiggling Christie. Just imagine Marco Rubio's face all up in Chris' buffalo butt and Chris is all
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ZUJesWnnyGmkw/giphy.gif)

So Marco Polo's momentum has been slowed. This benefits Trump because the previous Rubio-with-wind-at-his-back might appeal to a few of the Trumpers who, in a moment of weird and rare clarity, realize "Oh right, I'm not clinically brain dead" and vote for the Not-Trump Who Actually Has A Shot. But now that Rubio has been weakened, the wavering Trumper is less likely to be rational and instead will take out his cock and press the Trump button with it.

Christie gets a slight bump, but just as his attacks on Rubio resonated with people because they confirmed the overall narrative on Marco, it also solidified the fact that most people think Christie is a fat dick. I mean, there's value to his whole "Are you fucking kidding me here?!?" persona, but I think that turns a lot of people off. He limps out out of there in 5th or 6th place and is out of the race by the end of February.

Kasich could do well here. He's still enshrouded in that loser stink of single digit national polls, but he keeps making the most of his opportunities to remind people that not all the GOP candidates are Yosemite Sam. He's by far the GOP candidate I could live with the most, as he is conservative but understands the priority is getting things done. He'd do a lot of shitty shit but I don't think his administration would be as bad as, say, Cruz's Scorched Earth White House.

Bush has about as much momentum as a guy that looks like this could have:

(http://cdn.thewire.com/media/img/mt/2015/08/RTX1LKI3/lead_large.jpg)

i.e. a nice, modest amount. Only his money is keeping him afloat right now.

So I'd have to guess that the final results are something like this:

Trump 35
Rubio 15
Kasich 13
Cruz 12
Christie 8
Bush 5
Carson and Fiorina lol

I'm not doing the math on that.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 08, 2016, 05:42:17 pm
god that such a great gif I laughed so hard I couldn't read his commentary
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 08, 2016, 05:47:03 pm
I'm not doing the math on that.
(35 + 15 + 13 + 12 + 8 + 5) + LOL + LOL = 100

88 + 2(LOL) = 100

2(LOL) = 12

LOL = 6%
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 08, 2016, 08:17:29 pm
the polls are so different.. I just saw one that has Bush at 17 and an hour before I saw one that had him at 7....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 08, 2016, 08:26:28 pm
I guess my gut tells me Trump is not doing well and Bush insulting him left and right probably doesn't help... although you'd have to think he'll win even with less than 30%....and that the "Shaheen Machine" is going to get the vote out for Hillary and keep her loss within 10 points of Bernie... but thats about it...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 09, 2016, 10:01:42 am
Come on hutch...put your commas where your mouth is and make a prediction
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 09, 2016, 10:46:20 am
I am waving my dick in the wind..

Trump 30
Kasich 21
Bush 17
Rubio 14
Cruz 9
Christie 7
Carson/Fiorina *


Sanderwitzky 54
Hillary 46
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 09, 2016, 10:48:52 am
Kasich 21
Bush 17

damn...I hope special K gets that much
I predict Bush won't crack double digits...please clap
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 09, 2016, 11:41:30 am
Sanderwitzky 54
Hillary 46
If Sanders goes into a highly contrarian, socialist-friendly state with no minorities and only manages to beat Hillary by 8%, his campaign goes from theoretically dead to actually dead.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 09, 2016, 10:52:14 pm
wow Kasich holding on to #2
and bush nipping at cruz...I didn't predict that

but Hutch could be right with T->K->B
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 08:47:28 am
nobody ever got rich overestimating the intelligence of the American people...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 09:08:19 am
Sanderwitzky 54
Hillary 46
If Sanders goes into a highly contrarian, socialist-friendly state with no minorities and only manages to beat Hillary by 8%, his campaign goes from theoretically dead to actually dead.
So what does 22% mean?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 09:50:32 am
Sanderwitzky 54
Hillary 46
If Sanders goes into a highly contrarian, socialist-friendly state with no minorities and only manages to beat Hillary by 8%, his campaign goes from theoretically dead to actually dead.
So what does 22% mean?
It confirms there are no minorities in NH, that NH is in no way representative of the nation as a whole, and we need to have a national primary day as opposed to piecemeal-ing this out.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 09:55:18 am
Sanderwitzky 54
Hillary 46
If Sanders goes into a highly contrarian, socialist-friendly state with no minorities and only manages to beat Hillary by 8%, his campaign goes from theoretically dead to actually dead.
So what does 22% mean?

It means I was off by 14%....


The funny thing is I agree with Sanders in pretty much everything.....I just cannot believe that he would do anything but get creamed in a general election...unless the country has changed so much in 8 years....

Its weird its almost as if the democratic primary last night was won by a non-democrat and the republican primary was won by a non-republican.. as if the parties are failing to represent what the American people want...and outsiders are hijacking them..

If we look at US history since the constitutional convention we see very little in terms of "revolution" or dramatic changes (Jefferson? Jackson?)....this is why I find the idea that Sanders would be elected very unlikely.....Trump on the other hand doesn't want a revolution.. he just wants to be President....The latter is more likely than the former..


Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 10:05:28 am
The funny thing is I agree with Sanders in pretty much everything.....I just cannot believe that he would be able to accomplish anything during his hypothetical Presidency because the President is not a king who gets everything he wants because we have three distinct branches of government.
FTFY
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 10:18:27 am
The funny thing is I agree with Sanders in pretty much everything.....I just cannot believe that he would be able to accomplish anything during his hypothetical Presidency because the President is not a king who gets everything he wants because we have three distinct branches of government.
FTFY


oh I don't know.. I mean I hear you.. its not as if he accomplished anything as Senator because he is that wacko socialist from Vermont... but lets say that Sanders could somehow win the presidency.. .that would mean something and would have impact I think... because what he stands for is so clear that it would be an American endorsement of his views and other politiicans would have to come around... there would be issues with the courts though at least in the short term... also if somebody could get elected in a dominating performance with socialist views presumably Senators and Representatives and Governors would also tap into that... so he would not be alone.. but, yeah, it would be a huge uphill battle.... he really would need a big mandate... add to that the fact he would be sworn in at 75! maybe he has good genes but in your late 70s you tend to slow down quite a bit...

I just think the above is all irrelevant because he would get creamed.. the American people are not socialists... a majority of them do not believe we should break up the 5 largest banks or in universal health care provided by the governemnt and higher taxes to pay for it etc etc..

I mean in a sense Sanders is the candidate of the 1% movement....and he's going to be President?

But ultimately it comes down to trying to understand where the American people are.. are they so shellshocked and pissed off after the great recession that they have become socialists? I find that hard to beleive... The progressive wing of the Democratic Party as socialists? Sure i can see that.. but the country I know is just not like that....

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 10:22:34 am
So I ran the numbers of what Hutch, Sidehatch and I predicted (way to puss out, other people) compared to what the candidates actually got.

In the end, I believe that I won the NH primary, with Hutch and Sidehatch valiantly fighting for second (last) place. On to South Carolina!

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1624/24937772085_0bde08bb6b_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 10:23:48 am
Sidehatch won the Democrat side because I didn't answer and Hutch might as well not have answered.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 10:24:01 am
So I ran the numbers of what Hutch, Sidehatch and I predicted (way to puss out, other people) compared to what the candidates actually got.
Oh, wait, you're making a competition out of this? Nate Silver and I are in for SC.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 10:24:27 am
Look, I don't have a lot going on in my life right now, I take the victories I can take.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 10:25:45 am
Look, I don't have a lot going on in my life right now, I take the victories I can take.
No snark intended. Making a competition out of it legitimately makes me want to participate and I just texted Nate and he feels the same. Also him and I are going to Gathering of the Juggalos together. (No homo.)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 10, 2016, 10:30:18 am
Sidehatch won the Democrat side because I didn't answer and Hutch might as well not have answered.

Gotta play to win
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 10:31:06 am
look we all know Relaxer is the resident pundit....  not only for his predictive capabilities but also his rollicking take on debates..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 10:33:44 am
"pundit" sounds like a description of a short person

And I am FIVE FOOT NINE ALMOST thank you very much
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 10:35:44 am
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6gb8kYZCQTve595e/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 10:38:09 am
So I ran the numbers of what Hutch, Sidehatch and I predicted (way to puss out, other people) compared to what the candidates actually got.

In the end, I believe that I won the NH primary, with Hutch and Sidehatch valiantly fighting for second (last) place. On to South Carolina!

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1624/24937772085_0bde08bb6b_c.jpg)

I'm not sure about this way of measuring who did better.. I just got to say that...after all the biggest takeaways have to be:

1. Trump wins (dominant)
2. Kasich in second
3. Bush rejuvenated
4. Strong Cruz
5. Rubio wilts
6. Christie OUT
7. Carson/Fiorina pretty much done

so you'd have to look at the numbers, ordering, etc

just doing difference from what you picked for final number is a little too simple because the real important conclusions get lost in there.. does that make sense?

I would say that of the 7 I did this way
1. yes/no  half credit?
2. yes
3. yes
4. no
5. yes
6. yes
7. yes
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 10:40:01 am
Yeah, statistics and math are... not my friend. I went for the easiest way possible. Maybe for SC we should all measure our dongs and go with that.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 10:42:54 am
Maybe for SC we should all measure our dongs and go with that.
I just texted this idea to Nate and he wants to know whether this is homo or no homo.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 10:43:30 am
so homo
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 10:44:07 am
no no.. we can keep going like this.. unless julian has a better idea..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 10:44:13 am
so homo
We, are, in
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 10, 2016, 10:45:06 am
The Nightly Show has been on top of their game lately.  The other night they showed the two Rudio  ads airing on Iowa and New Hampshire which use the same script except with different people saying the lines.  Dude is p lagiarizing himself..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 10, 2016, 10:45:23 am
as if the parties are failing to represent what the American people want...and outsiders are hijacking them..

"as is"?  it's exactly what's happening.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 10:45:59 am
unless julian has a better idea..

I mean, I like being snarky and telling you all when you're being idiots for being hyper-reactionary to things and ignore hundreds of year of electoral precedent but there's no way to turn that into a competition so I say we go with Relaxer's penis thing.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 10:53:06 am
as if the parties are failing to represent what the American people want...and outsiders are hijacking them..

"as is"?  it's exactly what's happening.

well I think so too..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 10:55:01 am
I still think a Bush-Hillary election might be the most likely outcome....

At this point on the Republican side I think Trump, Cruz and Bush are the best positioned....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 10:59:11 am
unless julian has a better idea..

I mean, I like being snarky and telling you all when you're being idiots for being hyper-reactionary to things and ignore hundreds of year of electoral precedent but there's no way to turn that into a competition so I say we go with Relaxer's penis thing.

I agree

This is me, by the way

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1595/24820424072_567cb65b5a_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 10, 2016, 11:00:21 am
If we're talking about penis measurement only, I'm sure we can all agree that Carson would have it in the bag. The Latinos would be dead last, unless somebody could convince an Asian to run.

I've also always wondered why a reasonably handsome neurosurgeon couldn't bag a hotter wife.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 11:15:10 am
Sidehatch won the Democrat side because I didn't answer and Hutch might as well not have answered.
a win's a win! and I'd like to thank the little people...but also Nate silver and RCP for some guidance on where to go

Man, don't know what I was thinking giving Rubio 25...I think originally I had him at 15, but didn't suspect Kasich would come in so strong. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 11:18:29 am
So I ran the numbers of what Hutch, Sidehatch and I predicted (way to puss out, other people) compared to what the candidates actually got.

In the end, I believe that I won the NH primary, with Hutch and Sidehatch valiantly fighting for second (last) place. On to South Carolina!

I'm not sure about this way of measuring who did better.. I just got to say that...after all the biggest takeaways have to be:

1. Trump wins (dominant)
2. Kasich in second
3. Bush rejuvenated
4. Strong Cruz
5. Rubio wilts
6. Christie OUT
7. Carson/Fiorina pretty much done

so you'd have to look at the numbers, ordering, etc

just doing difference from what you picked for final number is a little too simple because the real important conclusions get lost in there.. does that make sense?

I would say that of the 7 I did this way
1. yes/no  half credit?
2. yes
3. yes
4. no
5. yes
6. yes
7. yes
I do think Hutch does get some credit for picking 1,2 and 3
Not sure how to weight that vs the way Relaxer did
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 11:21:29 am
If we're talking about penis measurement only, I'm sure we can all agree that Carson would have it in the bag. The Latinos would be dead last, unless somebody could convince an Asian to run.

I've also always wondered why a reasonably handsome neurosurgeon couldn't bag a hotter wife.
too bad Jindal dropped out, might have helped your post have a little more arc
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 11:23:05 am
Hutch got 1 and 2 right. He had Bush at 3.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 11:25:20 am
I concede defeat and congratulate Relaxer even if I might not always agree with him... now we take it to NEVADA AND SOUTH CAROLINA!!!!!!!!!!!! woooooooooooooooooooo.. join us!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 11:25:52 am
Hutch got 1 and 2 right. He had Bush at 3.
my bad, that is correct, but having K in at #2 was bold...we both had Rubio and he came in 4th
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 11:30:13 am
The point is Relaxer had Bush at 5% and I had him at 17%.. in the end he got 11% so with the differential system we both did as well or badly..


But Bush's performance was relatively strong and he is rejuvenated (particularly for beating Rubio)...


but like I said I am fine doing it with differentials and Relaxer is our guru and light.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 10, 2016, 11:55:40 am
If we're talking about penis measurement only, I'm sure we can all agree that Carson would have it in the bag. The Latinos would be dead last, unless somebody could convince an Asian to run.

I've also always wondered why a reasonably handsome neurosurgeon couldn't bag a hotter wife.
too bad Jindal dropped out, might have helped your post have a little more arc

It appears that the Latinos have more than I gave them credit for. Cuba a very respectable #40.

http://klaq.com/worldwide-penis-survey-heres-the-chart-were-talking-about-this-a-m/

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 12:02:12 pm
Cuba? what about Ecuador (2) , Colombia (5), Venezuela (6), Panama (12), Nicaragua (13), Brazil (15), Peru (16), Puerto Rico (17), Dominican Republic (20)?

9 of the top 20 are in Latin America.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 12:07:01 pm
Cuba? what about Ecuador (2) , Colombia (5), Venezuela (6), Panama (12), Nicaragua (13), Brazil (15), Peru (16), Puerto Rico (17), Dominican Republic (20)?

9 of the top 20 are in Latin America.
Are there rankings of what countries have the most women with hair on their upper lip?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 10, 2016, 12:11:29 pm
Cuba? what about Ecuador (2) , Colombia (5), Venezuela (6), Panama (12), Nicaragua (13), Brazil (15), Peru (16), Puerto Rico (17), Dominican Republic (20)?

9 of the top 20 are in Latin America.

I singled out Cuba because Cruz and Rubio have ties to it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 12:39:50 pm
If we're talking about penis measurement only, I'm sure we can all agree that Carson would have it in the bag. The Latinos would be dead last, unless somebody could convince an Asian to run.

I've also always wondered why a reasonably handsome neurosurgeon couldn't bag a hotter wife.
too bad Jindal dropped out, might have helped your post have a little more arc

It appears that the Latinos have more than I gave them credit for. Cuba a very respectable #40.

http://klaq.com/worldwide-penis-survey-heres-the-chart-were-talking-about-this-a-m/


Ecuador, Columbia and Venezuela are all in the top 6
I find it hard to believe that the British dongs are .42 inches bigger on average than USA!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 12:41:52 pm
Cuba? what about Ecuador (2) , Colombia (5), Venezuela (6), Panama (12), Nicaragua (13), Brazil (15), Peru (16), Puerto Rico (17), Dominican Republic (20)?

9 of the top 20 are in Latin America.
I will say the African influence on populations in Brazil and the Dominican Republic kinda skew those numbers
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 10, 2016, 12:51:32 pm
Which one of you predicted this:

Although she lost by 22 points in NH, Hillary Clinton leaves with 15 of the state's delegates compared to Bernie's 13 because of Super Delegates.

Yet another reason why IA and NH simply don't matter.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 01:03:05 pm
Funny Or Die Presents Donald Trump's The Art Of The Deal: The Movie  (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ad38087bac/donald-trump-art-of-the-deal-movie?_cc=__d___&_ccid=e918355b98763074)
with Jonny Depp doing a fantastic Trump
50 mins with tons of cameos
#FODtrumpmovie


Donald Trump has it all. Money, power, respect, and an Eastern European bride. But all his success didn?t come for nothing. First, he inherited millions of dollars from his rich father, then he grabbed New York City by the balls. Now you can learn the art of negotiation, real estate, and high-quality brass in this illuminating made-for-TV special feature, Funny Or Die Presents Donald Trump?s The Art Of The Deal


nice touch with Kenny loggins doing the credits song!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: shemptiness on February 10, 2016, 02:40:20 pm
Christie's out
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 03:05:56 pm
Christie's out
keep seeing 'likely' or 'expected' but no actual suspension from his team?


retraction....1:06 is was posted on CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-christie-ends-presidential-campaign/)

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 04:45:35 pm
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Demoralized Jeb Bush Succumbs To New Hampshire Heroin Epidemic (http://www.theonion.com/article/demoralized-jeb-bush-succumbs-new-hampshire-heroin-52327)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 04:52:54 pm
Which one of you predicted this:

Although she lost by 22 points in NH, Hillary Clinton leaves with 15 of the state's delegates compared to Bernie's 13 because of Super Delegates.

Yet another reason why IA and NH simply don't matter.

not true... the superdelegates are free to change their mind.. so they may be supporting Hillary NOW but if she continues to lose they will jump to Bernie... if they decide she is unelectable they will switch...they may even switch just to ally themselves with Bernie if they feel he could win... I don't put much stock in superdelegates...

for sure IA and NH matter a lot...if you don't think they matter go talk to O'malley, Christie, and all the others who are no longer running for president...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 10, 2016, 05:03:05 pm
not true... the superdelegates are free to change their mind..

Oh, it absolutely is true yesterday, today and right up until mid-March when this race is over and she starts tacking to the center.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 05:04:56 pm
Tell Fiorina NH doesn't matter.... or the Bush campaign that spent $50 million there...

maybe you're trying to make some other point but I don't get what you are saying..

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 05:07:02 pm
not true... the superdelegates are free to change their mind..

Oh, it absolutely is true yesterday, today and right up until mid-March when this race is over and she starts tacking to the center.

Do I think Hillary is going to crush Bernie and this is just a media show...sure....but I don't understand what you're saying about NH and Iowa not mattering.....Even as a Hillary supporter who thinks she is going to spank Sanders (can I get a gif of that?) I still think what happened yesterday does matter...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2016, 05:40:50 pm
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Carly just ran out of ink
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 10, 2016, 05:46:18 pm
It's a darn good thing replacement printer cartridges are so expensive
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 05:50:25 pm
then there were 6
why is carson still in this?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 10, 2016, 05:57:14 pm
but I don't understand what you're saying about NH and Iowa not mattering.....

They are the internet equivalent of writing "first" in the comments section and nothing else.

Their diversity, in terms of ethnicity, age, gender and religion, do not reflect the general populous, nor do they reflect many of the swing states that actually matter.  Their populations are so small that winning 100% of both states would be wiped out with winning just 40% of South Carolina.   

They have silly rules do not match other states which serve to make their voting less reliable for future polling.  For example, the silliness of a caucus aside - to participate in the NH Primary, you can change you party affiliation for the 3 minutes it takes you to vote and switch it right back.

They are simply a self-created media circus who, if they didn't work so hard to maintain their "first" in the primary season, no candidate would spend 20% of what was spent there in the past 5 months.

And don't use people dropping out after IA or NH as an example as to why they are important - those were never runs from the beginning.  Jeb Bush being the outlier - if Texas doesn't save him on March 1, then more books will be written about his failed campaign than any of the winning campaigns, save for Trump.  But that's not going to happen either.       
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 10, 2016, 05:58:37 pm
then there were 6
why is carson still in this?

As long as people keep giving him money (which they do) that he can give to his friends running his campaign (which he does) then he will stay in this.

Plus black people in SC.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 06:08:52 pm
but I don't understand what you're saying about NH and Iowa not mattering.....

They are the internet equivalent of writing "first" in the comments section and nothing else.

Their diversity, in terms of ethnicity, age, gender and religion, do not reflect the general populous, nor do they reflect many of the swing states that actually matter.  Their populations are so small that winning 100% of both states would be wiped out with winning just 40% of South Carolina.   

They have silly rules do not match other states which serve to make their voting less reliable for future polling.  For example, the silliness of a caucus aside - to participate in the NH Primary, you can change you party affiliation for the 3 minutes it takes you to vote and switch it right back.

They are simply a self-created media circus who, if they didn't work so hard to maintain their "first" in the primary season, no candidate would spend 20% of what was spent there in the past 5 months.

And don't use people dropping out after IA or NH as an example as to why they are important - those were never runs from the beginning.  Jeb Bush being the outlier - if Texas doesn't save him on March 1, then more books will be written about his failed campaign than any of the winning campaigns, save for Trump.  But that's not going to happen either.       

well I agree with a lot of what you say but the conclusion could not be more wrong.... they may be a media circus, the states may not be typical, they may have ridiculous rules et etc but they do matter very much.. they would not matter IF we had a one day primary process.. but the way its organized what happens in Iowa and New Hampshire sets the table for the states that follow and impacts on the results from those states

For example, Obama's victory in Iowa mattered very much... we may not like the caucus process and think its all a bit of a joke but come on now...would you also say that Iowa didn't matter to Jimmy Carter? Or that finishing second in the wake of the infidelity rumours didn't matter to Bill Clinton in NH? Of course it mattered.

I think  in the modern day of parties selecting candidates going back to 1976 the only president who didn't win Iowa or New Hampshire yet won the presidency was Bill Clinton in 1992...that is at least ten cycles...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 10, 2016, 07:37:10 pm
You've obviously never worked on a campaign and rely solely on mainstream media for not only your news, but your narrative as well.

I'll just start with Obama in 2008.  While winning in Iowa was nice, it signified one thing - he was the strongest proponent of ethanol.   That's all you needed to win Iowa in 2008 (I say that because that's changing now).

Our numbers before the Iowa caucus indicated that we were already beating Clinton and Edwards - two Carolina favorites - in South Carolina and that was going to be the moment when people took the campaign seriously.  Not Iowa.

Iowa was nothing more than a nice test for the on the ground organization.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 07:46:09 pm
You've obviously never worked on a campaign and rely solely on mainstream media for not only your news, but your narrative as well.

I'll just start with Obama in 2008.  While winning in Iowa was nice, it signified one thing - he was the strongest proponent of ethanol.   That's all you needed to win Iowa in 2008 (I say that because that's changing now).

Our numbers before the Iowa caucus indicated that we were already beating Clinton and Edwards - two Carolina favorites - in South Carolina and that was going to be the moment when people took the campaign seriously.  Not Iowa.


well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state.... winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...

but good luck with these alternate universe arguments of yours...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 10, 2016, 07:54:25 pm
but good luck with these alternate universe arguments of yours...
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Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 11, 2016, 09:50:04 am
Trump wants to kill the leader of North korea, on live tv.  I can see, why he is so popular.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 11, 2016, 10:31:13 am
Trump wants to kill the leader of North korea, on live tv.  I can see, why he is so popular.

That's pretty much the kind of thing the leader of North Korea would do.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 11, 2016, 10:36:32 am
Trump wants to kill the leader of North korea, on live tv.  I can see, why he is so popular.
can he just do rodman instead?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 11, 2016, 01:16:47 pm
well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state.... winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...

but good luck with these alternate universe arguments of yours...

Good thing there's an election right now where you have the opportunity to prove me wrong.  Best of luck.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 11, 2016, 01:23:08 pm
winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...
Are you high?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2016, 01:50:08 pm
well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state.... winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...

but good luck with these alternate universe arguments of yours...

Good thing there's an election right now where you have the opportunity to prove me wrong.  Best of luck.


I don't see how the fact South Carolina -or any other set of states- matters will prove Iowa and NH don't matter....sorry.

Remember you're the one who said Iowa and NH don't matter so if anyone has to prove anything I think its you....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2016, 01:50:52 pm
winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...
Are you high?

I don't get high anymore...I mean if someone has some blow to share sure.. but I don't see that happening anymore...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 11, 2016, 01:57:56 pm
well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state....
What do you consider to be a "primarily african-american state"?

There are exactly zero states that have at least 50% or higher African-American population. 
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2016, 02:00:01 pm
well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state....
What do you consider to be a "primarily african-american state"?

There are exactly zero states that have at least 50% or higher African-American population. 
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/

I meant the electorate in the democratic primary is primarily African-American.. sorry.

Got to say I had never heard anyone make the argument that Iowa did not matter or that President Obama was counting on SC

It has been a long established fact that it was the Iowa victory that led African Americans to take Obama's candidacy seriously..before that happened in polls African Americans were supporting Hillary...Once they saw he could win (when he won white Iowa) they began to give him a serious look...

But apparently in the Smackie world of fiction Obama would have lost Iowa , gone on to lose New Hampshire, then won South Carolina and somehow won the nomination.... this is seriously bizzarro..

anyways, got to take the kids to their therapies so I will have to beg off this thread
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 11, 2016, 02:00:40 pm
well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state....
What do you consider to be a "primarily african-american state"?

There are exactly zero states that have at least 50% or higher African-American population. 
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/
although 27% and I'm fairly certain everyone of them are Democrats
so a majority of Democrats in SC are African American
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 11, 2016, 02:13:21 pm
It has been a long established fact that it was the Iowa victory that led African Americans to take Obama's candidacy seriously..before that happened in polls African Americans were supporting Hillary...Once they saw he could win (when he won white Iowa) they began to give him a serious look...
Horse shit. Pure, unadulterated horse shit.

Here (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-youre-no-barack-obama/#fn-1) is a 538 article that links to two polls from around AUGUST 2007 showing Obama with close to 50% support among African Americans. While that did climb to 82% by the end of the Democratic Primaries, the idea that there was a massive swing from Hillary to Obama post-Iowa, or that Hillary led among African-American voters, is fiction.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 11, 2016, 02:16:03 pm
It has been a long established fact that it was the Iowa victory that led African Americans to take Obama's candidacy seriously..before that happened in polls African Americans were supporting Hillary...Once they saw he could win (when he won white Iowa) they began to give him a serious look...
Horse shit. Pure, unadulterated horse shit.

...opps retraction as I thought you were talking about 2016
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 11, 2016, 02:22:08 pm
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html#polls

For reference: Jan 3 was Iowa, Jan8 was NH, Jan 27 was SC. When do you think that race turned?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 11, 2016, 02:31:16 pm
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html#polls

For reference: Jan 3 was Iowa, Jan8 was NH, Jan 27 was SC. When do you think that race turned?

you don't think this poll was a result of a win in Iowa
Rasmussen 1/8 - 1/11 401 LV 21 22 -- -- -- Clinton +1

before Jan 3rd she was + teens/20s
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Yada on February 11, 2016, 02:31:54 pm
The Trump troll was bringin' the lolz last night.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 11, 2016, 02:34:30 pm
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html#polls

For reference: Jan 3 was Iowa, Jan8 was NH, Jan 27 was SC. When do you think that race turned?

you don't think this poll was a result of a win in Iowa
Rasmussen 1/8 - 1/11 401 LV 21 22 -- -- -- Clinton +1

before Jan 3rd she was + teens/20s
You are literally looking at a comprehensive list of polls and picking the outlier. I see 5 polls on each side of that with overlapping dates that have Hillary still comfortably ahead. There is a trend of Hillary leading by a large margin in 95% of the polls until the week after SC and Nevada when, on a dime, Obama starts leading in virtually every poll thereafter.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 11, 2016, 02:38:12 pm
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html#polls

For reference: Jan 3 was Iowa, Jan8 was NH, Jan 27 was SC. When do you think that race turned?

you don't think this poll was a result of a win in Iowa
Rasmussen 1/8 - 1/11 401 LV 21 22 -- -- -- Clinton +1

before Jan 3rd she was + teens/20s
You are literally looking at a comprehensive list of polls and picking the outlier. I see 5 polls on each side of that with overlapping dates that have Hillary still comfortably ahead. I see no giant trend to Obama leading until the immediate aftermath of the SC and Nevada primaries.
Ok was a cherry pick...but this poll was done just days after Iowa

although...the original argument is when African American's turned...and these polls don't show that
The Clintons have historically done well in that community
I've a reporter friend who often says "Obama wasn't the first black president, Bill Clinton was the first Black president" 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 11, 2016, 02:40:21 pm
although...the original argument is when African American's turned...and these polls don't show that
I edited my "pure unadulterated horseshit" post with a link to an article that links in a footnote to several polls which have Obama with ~50% support among African-American voters close to a half a year before Iowa.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 11, 2016, 02:41:49 pm
although...the original argument is when African American's turned...and these polls don't show that
I edited my "pure unadulterated horseshit" post with a link to an article that links in a footnote to several polls which have Obama with ~50% support among African-American voters close to a half a year before Iowa.
50% kinda sucks, you'd think he'd get 95% right off the bat
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 11, 2016, 02:42:49 pm
although...the original argument is when African American's turned...and these polls don't show that
I edited my "pure unadulterated horseshit" post with a link to an article that links in a footnote to several polls which have Obama with ~50% support among African-American voters close to a half a year before Iowa.
50% kinda sucks, you'd think he'd get 95% right off the bat

He ended up at 82%, for some context.

Regardless, if Obama was ~50% that far out, it is absurd to argue that Hillary led with black voters at any time in that race much less debate what was the turning point.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2016, 03:29:05 pm
although...the original argument is when African American's turned...and these polls don't show that
I edited my "pure unadulterated horseshit" post with a link to an article that links in a footnote to several polls which have Obama with ~50% support among African-American voters close to a half a year before Iowa.
50% kinda sucks, you'd think he'd get 95% right off the bat

He ended up at 82%, for some context.

Regardless, if Obama was ~50% that far out, it is absurd to argue that Hillary led with black voters at any time in that race much less debate what was the turning point.

The turning point in the Obama candidacy was when he won Iowa... you must have been out of the country or something.. everything happened very quickly after that.. the Yes We Can speech, video by Will I am, endorsement by Ted Kennedy, etc....

The point isn't that NO African Americans were supporting Obama before Iowa but the huge support came after Iowa... I guess you also don't remember when Oprah went down to South Carolina to rally support among the African American community..as in your imaginary world he didn't need that cause he already had 100% support among African Americans..

Really its sad I have to take time out of my busy schedule to spank your cherry pickin' ass...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 11, 2016, 03:32:29 pm
The turning point in the Obama candidacy was when he won Iowa... you must have been out of the country or something.. everything happened very quickly after that.. the Yes We Can speech, video by Will I am, endorsement by Ted Kennedy, etc....


I don't remember it happening quickly. In fact, I remember the primary getting dragged out forever. Hillary didn't actually drop out until June, so while Obama had a lead, it was still very suspenseful and Hillary continued to win states into the spring.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 11, 2016, 03:34:48 pm
The point isn't that NO African Americans were supporting Obama before Iowa but the huge support came after Iowa... I guess you also don't remember when Oprah went down to South Carolina to rally support among the African American community..as in your imaginary world he didn't need that cause he already had 100% support among African Americans..
The point is you specifically said Hillary Clinton led among African-Americans pre-Iowa. This is 100% false and there's no "I guess you don't remembers" in my argument, I gave you a fucking link to polls. Actual metrics and numbers with dates attached to them trump your recollection of Will.I.Am videos.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2016, 03:41:04 pm
The point isn't that NO African Americans were supporting Obama before Iowa but the huge support came after Iowa... I guess you also don't remember when Oprah went down to South Carolina to rally support among the African American community..as in your imaginary world he didn't need that cause he already had 100% support among African Americans..
The point is you specifically said Hillary Clinton led among African-Americans pre-Iowa. This is 100% false and there's no "I guess you don't remembers" in my argument, I gave you a fucking link to polls. Actual metrics and numbers with dates attached to them trump your recollection of Will.I.Am videos.



sorry.. again you are wrong.. Obama had some soft support in the african american community... most people didn't even know who obama was pre Iowa... sure political junkies takled about his great speech and all that.. .. when he won Iowa it upset the applecart and created a shock through the system when it became apparent that Obama could win the election.. african americans coalesced around him at that point en masse.. before that point not really.. obama was not some sort of jesse jackson with long ties in the african american community.. in fact he was a guy that many african americans thought was "too white"....I worked for and with african americans at the time and none of them thought much of him before that point (Iowa)... .. in fact they liked Hillary.. as Sidehatch remarked Hillary had a lot of support among african americans with the whole bill clinton was a black president thing..when Obama won Iowa, the state that does not matter according to Smackie, they realized "hey wait a minute.. its a longshot but this could happen!"

the NOTION that barack obama enjoyed some kind of monolithic support among african americans that would have manifested itself in south carolina even if he had lost iowa and new hampshire is patently false as is the narrative being put out by smackie that iowa and new hampshire don't matter.. guys, join us back in the real world.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 11, 2016, 03:46:39 pm
Again, Hillary Clinton did not lead among black voters at the time of the Iowa caucus as you claim. This is irrefutable.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2016, 06:26:21 pm
Again, Hillary Clinton did not lead among black voters at the time of the Iowa caucus as you claim. This is irrefutable.

well maybe so.. who knows? just polls right..

the point is he did not have a hold of a monolithic black voting block merely because he was black.. the Clintons are very popular with african americans and many were voting for them

I love the way you nitpick a completely unimportant point just to argue..

My point was that Iowa - that winning Iowa- helped him consolidate the black vote around him.. prior to that it was not the case.

but of course you want to argue about some polls as evidence of what? a minor point of no consequence.. at the end of the day you would have to admit that Obama did not have a lock on SC prior to Iowa... go look up some polls of SC before Iowa or something...

argue argue argue...over nothing important

as far as the person that said that the election went on a long time.. believe me I know.. I was there at the meeting where the DNC decided how to apportion the MI and FL delegates at the end.. which sealed it for Obama.. my point wasn't that Iowa decided the election or even SC.. just that his win in Iowa set in motion a series of events that led to him being the nominee... therefore, I was arguing (for those not lost in Julian's polls) that Iowa had been very important for Obama.. this is a difference of opinion with Van Smack who seems to be arguing that Iowa and NH don't matter....didn't matter in the case of Obama apparently.. this is news to me.

Lastly, Julian made the point that Obama's speech after winning Iowa was not a big moment in US history... he/you can see it that way.. its a matter of opinion.. I think it was a big moment...some people agree..some don't...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 11, 2016, 06:49:21 pm
well maybe so.. who knows? just polls right..

polls are the only way we know a candidate's performance, appeal, etc. (both opinion polls and election polls, AKA election results).

if you are saying we can't trust polls when discussing a candidate, there is no point debating with you.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2016, 07:16:09 pm
well maybe so.. who knows? just polls right..

polls are the only way we know a candidate's performance, appeal, etc. (both opinion polls and election polls, AKA election results).

if you are saying we can't trust polls when discussing a candidate, there is no point debating with you.

polls do not support Julian's point but they do support mine

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/sc.obama.clinton/index.html?eref=rss_latest

key quote:
But the latest polls suggest support could be shifting. In July, 52 percent of black Democratic primary voters said they favored Clinton, compared to Obama's 33 percent. In December, Obama's support had risen to 45 percent while Clinton's dropped to 46.

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Obama did not have a lock on the black vote before Iowa.



but yeah, I don't come on this board to argue..sorry.. and yeah I don't think that much of polls...sorry.

and further, exactly what I wrote earlier which was dismissed as insane by Julian:

Obama supporter Damon Hardy said some blacks are still waffling because they are unsure of his long-term chances.

"It's like they want Obama to win, but they don't want their vote to be wasted on someone who they don't think is going to win. They don't really think Obama has a chance. So, they're voting Hillary Clinton because of her experience," he said.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2016, 07:23:07 pm
Its like you people don't remember eight years ago.. another thing that helped Obama lock the SC black vote and win in such resounding fashion were some of the things that Bill Clinton said that ticked blacks off in SC (including Clyburn)

But hey if you want to think "Obama is black .. of course all the black people were planning to vote for him all along" that is fine.. the facts do not support that...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 12, 2016, 01:51:17 am
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Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 12, 2016, 08:55:40 am
^war criminal
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 12, 2016, 09:39:01 am
Hutch's campaign releases some touching family photos
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/942866_10153668294944425_19553891385529704_n.jpg?oh=f6f133ddf2a9fecd7e2dc182d92eb57a&oe=5727233B)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: slappy on February 12, 2016, 11:50:40 am
(http://i.imgur.com/nUUSu4H.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 12, 2016, 12:09:32 pm
I have to say, Bernie was looking/sounding presidential last night
that smirk that Hil keeps giving is looking really snarky

I thought it was a little absurd how she keeps acting like I don't know why this PAC is spending millions to promote me

You're referring to a Super PAC that we don't coordinate with, that was set up to support President Obama, that has now decided that they want to support me?.. It's not my PAC,?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 12, 2016, 12:16:22 pm
I have to say, Bernie was looking/sounding presidential last night
that smirk that Hil keeps giving is looking really snarky

I thought it was a little absurd how she keeps acting like I don't know why this PAC is spending millions to promote me

You're referring to a Super PAC that we don't coordinate with, that was set up to support President Obama, that has now decided that they want to support me?.. It's not my PAC,?


she owned him... Hillary never loses a debate.. i can remember the Obama-Clinton debates.. He did not win one.

She is going to crush him.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 12, 2016, 05:53:36 pm
can't believe Gilmore is still running
in fact until CBS gave him the snub on the debate, I didn't even realize he was still in it to win it
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 12, 2016, 06:06:57 pm
can't believe Gilmore is still running
in fact until CBS gave him the snub on the debate, I didn't even realize he was still in it to win it

well he is not in it to win it... it has been documented that he is not really running...he's pretending to run just to say he ran...pataki was doing the same thing...

and now he is not running (I presume that was what you meant to say?)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 12, 2016, 09:45:32 pm
Cruz loses the pornstar vote...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 13, 2016, 10:37:40 am
sorry, one can't unsee this image...NSFL
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12705595_10153442692126309_745399216087689681_n.jpg?oh=df0fc42569db210dd94adf8082252e72&oe=572F0D12)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 13, 2016, 11:06:41 am
#totallylookslikemymom
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 14, 2016, 12:06:45 am
South Carolina was not feeling Trump...

http://ti.me/1QeJU2g
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 14, 2016, 03:23:03 pm
(http://assets.amuniversal.com/aba18190a132013334e9005056a9545d)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 14, 2016, 06:26:39 pm
https://www.facebook.com/ModernRevolution/videos/1029449910446676/
The saddest moments of the Jeb Bush campaign
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 15, 2016, 09:25:25 am
anyone catch this hysterical Cruz ad
great spoof on the office space scene where they kill the printer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FECIYlo3KRY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FECIYlo3KRY&feature=youtu.be)

I totally thought it was a fake, but it's legit
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 15, 2016, 02:28:38 pm
 found the perfect birthday gift  (http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/249715/hillary-by-jonah-winter-illustrated-by-raul-colon/9780553533880/)for your kids
Hillary By Jonah Winter
Illustrator Raul Colon
Category: Children?s Picture Books

(http://images.randomhouse.com/cover/9780553533880)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 15, 2016, 10:18:57 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12742089_836474003129855_9026766159667082802_n.png?oh=e47680e03f61b78fae0fa857aba3c1aa&oe=5726F0B1)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 16, 2016, 07:26:43 pm
Here's where I want to caucus

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2532223.1455566802!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/hookers16n-3-web.jpg)

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 16, 2016, 08:04:00 pm
poor Jeb...
https://www.facebook.com/superdeluxevideo/videos/222260281451863/

https://www.facebook.com/superdeluxevideo/videos/194114327599792/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 16, 2016, 08:05:32 pm
Bernie and Hill Dog agreeing on everything
https://www.facebook.com/superdeluxevideo/videos/221651561512735/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 18, 2016, 01:20:40 am
So Hil's got the hookers...do we think that's enough to take Nevada?
they pull a lot of weight (and penises) in that state
it's neck and neck there

and does Carson come in third in SC??
I really can't believe bush is sticking this out, really just sad
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 18, 2016, 12:56:59 pm
Here's where I want to caucus

You don't have the balls.

I really can't believe bush is sticking this out, really just sad

I think originally he thought "I can't leave before the Florida primary."  But a poor showing in the first true primary may show him the door.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 18, 2016, 01:39:47 pm
game over Trump.. Pope says "Trump is not a Christian"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 18, 2016, 01:44:10 pm
game over Trump.. Pope says "Trump is not a Christian"

I'm not sure Trump was polling well with Catholics to begin with...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 18, 2016, 01:51:24 pm
game over Trump.. Pope says "Trump is not a Christian"

What a douche. Next thing you know he'll say is ISIS are not Muslims.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 18, 2016, 02:36:56 pm
Glenn Beck: God took Scalia to give America Ted Cruz as president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/glenn-beck-god-killed-scalia-so-cruz-could-win/index.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 18, 2016, 03:16:10 pm
I am just loving the fact that Rubio winning the til-now most important endorsement (from Gov Nikki Haley) is completely overshadowed by the pissing match between Trump and the Pope. I LOVITZ!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 18, 2016, 03:21:30 pm
I am just loving the fact that Rubio winning the til-now most important endorsement (from Gov Nikki Haley) is completely overshadowed by the pissing match between Trump and the Pope. I LOVITZ!

Sort of ironic that on the Republican side, the beloved Asian governor of a Southern state is endorsing a Hispanic guy (over a Black guy and another Hispanic guy)...whereas to Democrat race features two old white people.

Anyway, Trump and the pope should have a boxing match or something.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 18, 2016, 03:44:54 pm
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1493/25020209741_a50fc00e19_o.png)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 18, 2016, 03:59:39 pm
There may be a wall surrounding the Vatican, but it didn't stop me from getting in.

Of course, I set my bag down and sat on the floor for a minute to catch a rest...and I was promptly told by security that I was loitering and had to leave...not the most friendly folks there in the old Vatican.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 19, 2016, 01:34:18 pm
Who tweeted it: Donald Trump or Kanye West?
Between the random Twitter rants and the not-so-subtle subtweets, the similarities between these two moguls are closer than you might think. Take our quiz and find out if you can tell the difference between Donald Trump and Kanye West on Twitter.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/02/politics/trump-kanye-who-tweeted/

i got 8/15 correct - essentially i did as good as guessing randomly, AKA there is no telling them apart.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 19, 2016, 01:45:20 pm
Have any of you taken this quiz?

http://www.isidewith.com/

For me, Hillary, Bernie, and Bloomburg all tied with 82%. Trump and Rubio tied as my top Republicans with 62%. And I was to the left my my centrist wife.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 19, 2016, 01:45:26 pm
OK boardies...time to get your predictions in for the Nevada and SC races on Saturday

I'm saying
NV
Sandman - 55
Hil - 45 (the hookers just couldn't bring in the vote sadly)

SC
Trump -  32
Rubio - 23
Cruz - 15
Kas - 10
Bush - 8
Carson - 8
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 19, 2016, 01:59:22 pm
game over Trump.. Pope says "Trump is not a Christian"

What a douche. Next thing you know he'll say is ISIS are not Muslims.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12728839_10156653209955533_2663082796882356549_n.jpg?oh=35fc093b63b8f7ba90b41626eedce63f&oe=572D398A)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 19, 2016, 02:06:50 pm
NV - Dems
Hillary 52.5
Sanders 47.5

SC - GOP
Trump 31
Rubio 21
Cruz 20
Bush 12
Kasich 9
Carson 7
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 19, 2016, 02:10:02 pm
i got 8/15 correct - essentially i did as good as guessing randomly, AKA there is no telling them apart.
I got 12/15.   
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 19, 2016, 04:55:17 pm
Paging Relaxer...we would like your #'s posted and of course a colorful post-election write up
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2016, 05:00:43 pm
I'm going to wait til later tonight...As usual it seems like a real crapshoot
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 19, 2016, 05:08:20 pm
whoa...FoxNews poll....National
FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 Hiil=44%  Sanders=47%

 Sanders +3

First national poll where he leads
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2016, 05:11:47 pm
whoa...FoxNews poll....National
FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 Hiil=44%  Sanders=47%

 Sanders +3

First national poll where he leads


yup democrats are going LOCO......I dont' get it
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 19, 2016, 05:16:30 pm
i got 8/15 correct - essentially i did as good as guessing randomly, AKA there is no telling them apart.
I got 12/15.   

Same here.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 19, 2016, 05:22:57 pm
whoa...FoxNews poll....National
FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 Hiil=44%  Sanders=47%

 Sanders +3

First national poll where he leads
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/national-primary-polls/democratic/

Again, statistical outlier, and a statistical outlier coming from an organization with a vested interest in putting out numbers that bloody Hillary via push polling.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2016, 05:23:47 pm
the big news of the day is Clyburn endorsed Hillary.. she is going to crush in SC.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Yada on February 19, 2016, 05:33:56 pm
Have any of you taken this quiz?

http://www.isidewith.com/

For me, Hillary, Bernie, and Bloomburg all tied with 82%. Trump and Rubio tied as my top Republicans with 62%. And I was to the left my my centrist wife.

Hillary at the top at 92%, 88% for Bernie, 87% for Bloomburg. I have no clue what I'll do in this election.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 19, 2016, 05:45:02 pm
whoa...FoxNews poll....National
FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 Hiil=44%  Sanders=47%

 Sanders +3

First national poll where he leads
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/national-primary-polls/democratic/

Again, statistical outlier, and a statistical outlier coming from an organization with a vested interest in putting out numbers that bloody Hillary via push polling.
well I agree with you
but I think their polling isn't that inaccurate, Nate himself gave that poll a 1.47 weight...which is pretty significant

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 19, 2016, 09:03:51 pm
whoa...FoxNews poll....National
FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 Hiil=44%  Sanders=47%

 Sanders +3

First national poll where he leads


yup democrats are going LOCO......I dont' get it

It's because, for once, Democrats can vote FOR someone instead of using their vote to vote AGAINST someone.

I'm voting for Sanders in the primary, and if he's the nominee then I will vote for him in November. But if Clinton is the nominee then I will be voting against the Republican.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2016, 09:44:13 pm
whoa...FoxNews poll....National
FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 Hiil=44%  Sanders=47%

 Sanders +3

First national poll where he leads


yup democrats are going LOCO......I dont' get it

It's because, for once, Democrats can vote FOR someone instead of using their vote to vote AGAINST someone.

I'm voting for Sanders in the primary, and if he's the nominee then I will vote for him in November. But if Clinton is the nominee then I will be voting against the Republican.

i get that.. my dad feels exactly like you do.... people are entitled to vote FOR whoever they want in a primary...I should respect that.

in any case we're happily voting FOR Hillary over here on March 1.. she is going to absolutely destroy Sanders in VA..

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2016, 11:35:43 pm
D-NV

C 53
S 47



R-SC

T 35
C 24
R 19
B 11
K  7
Ca 4
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 19, 2016, 11:41:51 pm
Is this, the most exciting election, in my life.  I, think so.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 20, 2016, 01:11:00 am
she is going to absolutely destroy Sanders in VA..


I believe that to be the truth, but as of now all cards are on the table
didn't even seem like that was possible in 2015
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 20, 2016, 02:19:31 am
so good
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12688327_10153827722925115_4137183509430927613_n.jpg?oh=5a8ec9dc4ed2f9d14bb9faa541230815&oe=575B5AD1)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 20, 2016, 06:48:13 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbsHKGPUcAAjgaY.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 20, 2016, 09:43:45 pm
Bush coming in at around 8%. Suspending campaign. Expect similar act from Carson too who appears to be coming in last.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 20, 2016, 10:17:27 pm
NV - Dems
Hillary 52.5
Sanders 47.5

SC - GOP
Trump 31
Rubio 21
Cruz 20
Bush 12
Kasich 9
Carson 7


 ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 20, 2016, 10:21:31 pm
I was waiting for you and sidehatch to concede before giving my victory speech.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 20, 2016, 10:41:40 pm
well I'm waiting on Sidehatch to deliver HIS concession speech.. but I would like to move on to the next states...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 21, 2016, 02:33:07 am
Jeb brought his mom and it didn't help.  I got nothing but a fist full of losers
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 21, 2016, 11:16:35 am
The story isn't Jeb's mom but W... he left his hiding place/hole in TX to help his brother get 7%... and Trump called him a liar who didn't keep the country safe in one of the more warmongery states in the union and won big..


I hate to pull a Gore here but I am rescinding any "concession" for NV until the votes are counted... we believe we will come out in front once the votes are counted...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 21, 2016, 03:27:49 pm
The story isn't Jeb's mom but W... he left his hiding place/hole in TX to help his brother get 7%... and Trump called him a liar who didn't keep the country safe in one of the more warmongery states in the union and won big..


I hate to pull a Gore here but I am rescinding any "concession" for NV until the votes are counted... we believe we will come out in front once the votes are counted...


Uh, even if the Nevada margin of victory turns out close to 6 than 5, you still got second place in SC incorrect. I think I've won this one.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 21, 2016, 03:28:06 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/12717900_10208879435888482_5093579190305302530_n.jpg?oh=e2633dfe1aacacc6a574fe9b14912148&oe=576ACFB2)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 21, 2016, 03:52:17 pm
The story isn't Jeb's mom but W... he left his hiding place/hole in TX to help his brother get 7%... and Trump called him a liar who didn't keep the country safe in one of the more warmongery states in the union and won big..


I hate to pull a Gore here but I am rescinding any "concession" for NV until the votes are counted... we believe we will come out in front once the votes are counted...


Uh, even if the Nevada margin of victory turns out close to 6 than 5, you still got second place in SC incorrect. I think I've won this one.


I'm consulting my legal team ....

(obviously you are the winner... )
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 21, 2016, 07:09:45 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/12717900_10208879435888482_5093579190305302530_n.jpg?oh=e2633dfe1aacacc6a574fe9b14912148&oe=576ACFB2)

normally, I don't laugh . . . but I did at this.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 21, 2016, 07:15:29 pm
You have a great sense of humor!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 22, 2016, 10:40:48 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbsHKGPUcAAjgaY.jpg)

Trump Rally needs to be a new genre of something

(http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/styles/medium/nprshared/201509/439843081.jpg)

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 10:56:53 am
So really missed Relaxer in this, but glad to see jules throw his hat in the predictions game
(do they make a Fantasy Primary game??)


SC GOP   Results    Jules   
trump     32.5        31   -1.5
Rubio      22.5        21   -1.5
Cruz       22.3        20   -2.3
Bush       7.8         12   -4.2
Kasich    7.6          9    -1.4     
Carson    7.2           7      -.2
-11.1

SC GOP    Side   
trump      32   -.5
rubio        23   -.5
Cruz        15      -7.3!
Bush        8    -.2
Kasich     10-2.4
Carson     8       -.8
-11.7

SC GOP   Results    Hutch   
trump     32.5        35
Rubio      22.5        19   
Cruz       22.3         24   
Bush       7.8         11   
Kasich    7.6         7      
Carson    7.2         4


green closest to percentage
red - incorrect placement
Hutch's cruz was closest %, but was incorrect in place

So Jules got the placement 1-6 right
I'm not sure how you could weight this correctly as Jules only picked carson % wise
getting 1,2&3 place should have the most weight first
but I was super close with a .6 percent off (man I originally had cruz at 20!)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2016, 11:04:31 am
Julian had the best pick in SC by far...picking Rubio to eke out Cruz was huge.....

in NV both Julian and I were arguably correct but he was more precise so he wins that too..

I have a lot of trouble with Cruz... he gives me nightmares... I consistently get him wrong and here I overcompensated.. before I was giving him not enough now too much..

Nevada (R) will be interesting because we really don't have very much polling to go on here..


I actually thought Julian's prediction was the best one I saw...I don't think any poll or pundit was as correct...I hate to say that but like ITS TRUE ITS TRUE YOU KNOW ITS TRUE
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 11:11:00 am
for the dems...it was close and I'm not even going to post my pathetic predictions

     NV     Hutch     jules
H   52.6   53      52.5
S   47.3    47        47.5

So jules takes it in a similar fashion to Denny Hamlin edging out Martin Truex Jr.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 22, 2016, 11:27:32 am
I know, I'm disappointed that I couldn't get it together enough to make and post my predictions.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2016, 11:31:08 am
for the dems...it was close and I'm not even going to post my pathetic predictions

     NV     Hutch     jules
H   52.6   53      52.5
S   47.3    47        47.5

So jules takes it in a similar fashion to Denny Hamlin edging out Martin Truex Jr.


I think he takes it on a technicality as 53 is 52.6 rounded up and 47 is 47.3 rounded down.. those were my exact numbers by the way... of course..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2016, 11:35:01 am


relaxer, get your shit together.. not just the numbers either..you got to bring the comedy gold!

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 11:57:36 am
Don't worry relaxer...there are lots of contests coming up
I think we should put some money down for super Tuesday!

But seriously...is there a Fanduel for primaries
That'd be the kind of thing I could get in to
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 22, 2016, 12:11:08 pm
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/1109836109047878/
^Awesome one minute video highlighting why Jeb had the funniest moments of the election, so far
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 22, 2016, 02:09:46 pm
So if Trump wins in November, will Obama declare himself president for life?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 02:11:53 pm
So if Trump wins in November, will Obama declare himself president for life?
don't really get the joke, but there is nothing in the constitution that Obama can't declare anything
well, maybe not FIRE during a SOTU
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 03:03:09 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12715223_10205553571819057_2733218735287144419_n.jpg?oh=f8333e4ec246ea78032458b27fec3f14&oe=576B4C7F)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 22, 2016, 03:39:50 pm
I love that picture of Bernie. He looks like a dude who's checkin left, checkin right, and then quickly rubbing one out in this small window of opportunity.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 22, 2016, 03:47:57 pm
Are we all in agreement the GOP race is Rubio v Trump at this point? There's really no delegate math getting Cruz to 50% and he's so massively unliked by his colleagues he couldn't win in a contested convention. His biggest impact on the race is how long until he gets out of it: the longer he goes, the better for Trump; the sooner its a two-man race, the better for Rubio.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 22, 2016, 04:01:02 pm
I would agree that it will likely come down to Rubio and Trump. I know before Saturday, some people had Kasich possibly emerging as the voice of GOP reason, but his dismal showing this weekend is slotting him firmly in VP-at-best territory.

I'm noting a tone shift in the coverage on Trump. It seems like all articles are devoting a full paragraph or more on the fact that if any other GOP candidate was doing as well as Trump, that candidate would be called the 'prohibitive favorite' but because it's Trump, it feels weird to say that.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 22, 2016, 04:03:24 pm
I would agree that it will likely come down to Rubio and Trump. I know before Saturday, some people had Kasich possibly emerging as the voice of GOP reason, but his dismal showing this weekend is slotting him firmly in VP-at-best territory.
If he doesn't have a second place finish in NH to his name, he's out of this race officially by now, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 22, 2016, 04:05:52 pm
I'm noting a tone shift in the coverage on Trump. It seems like all articles are devoting a full paragraph or more on the fact that if any other GOP candidate was doing as well as Trump, that candidate would be called the 'prohibitive favorite' but because it's Trump, it feels weird to say that.
I don't think he's the prohibitive favorite. I think it'll be Rubio. If Cruz stays in this the entire way, no one gets to the delegate count they need and it's probably Rubio at the convention because party insiders aren't going to sway voters to Trump/Cruz. If Cruz gets out fairly soon, I think it's Rubio because Trump vs. only-one-non-Trump-option doesn't favor Trump. Trump seems to have a ceiling.

I guess I'm interested in if anyone actually sees a hypothetical contested convention going to anyone but Rubio.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 22, 2016, 04:50:52 pm
Trump has said that if he's booted in a contested convention, he'd run as independent.  Which works for me, since he'd split the republican vote, and either H or S would win.  And the liberal supreme court. And the American people.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 05:24:26 pm
And the American people.
nice and couldn't agree more...that's been my hope since Trump showed up day one
He certainty could pull a lot of people to vote for him as a 3rd party, but not enough to win
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 22, 2016, 05:25:33 pm
And the American people.
nice and couldn't agree more...that's been my hope since Trump showed up day one
He certainty could pull a lot of people to vote for him as a 3rd party, but not enough to win
Hey, a wackadoo 3rd party candidate helped us get a Clinton in office the first time; why mess with success?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 05:31:21 pm
And the American people.
nice and couldn't agree more...that's been my hope since Trump showed up day one
He certainty could pull a lot of people to vote for him as a 3rd party, but not enough to win
Hey, a wackadoo 3rd party candidate helped us get a Clinton in office the first time; why mess with success?
man an my inlaws wanted that wackadoo sooo bad as well as this current wackadoo

Must say Willy's lasting contribution to liberal ideology is waning over time
look at the impact of NAFTA, Welfare reform, lack of action on the drug war, 3 Strikes, freedom of marriage
as well as some of the seeds for the Mortgage crisis

I love slick willy, but he was a moderate who leaned a little further right than I would have preferred,

but ultimately he had to compromise to get stuff passed, just really didn't like some of the stuff that actually got passed
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 22, 2016, 05:33:55 pm
He balanced the budget and presided over the longest period of economic prosperity in two generations.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2016, 05:51:12 pm
And the American people.
nice and couldn't agree more...that's been my hope since Trump showed up day one
He certainty could pull a lot of people to vote for him as a 3rd party, but not enough to win
Hey, a wackadoo 3rd party candidate helped us get a Clinton in office the first time; why mess with success?
man an my inlaws wanted that wackadoo sooo bad as well as this current wackadoo

Must say Willy's lasting contribution to liberal ideology is waning over time
look at the impact of NAFTA, Welfare reform, lack of action on the drug war, 3 Strikes, freedom of marriage
as well as some of the seeds for the Mortgage crisis

I love slick willy, but he was a moderate who leaned a little further right than I would have preferred,

but ultimately he had to compromise to get stuff passed, just really didn't like some of the stuff that actually got passed

this is some of the dumbest shit i have read.. incomes grew.. people were doing well... that is the most important thing... i guess you forgot how the late 90s were... it was a golden age.. I remember being at parties at Tim's and everyone was talking about how great things were going.. don't you remember? unemployment going down down down.. stock market going up up up?

of course bill wasn't a left wing liberal.. how could he be? don't you remember how he got creamed in 94 by gingrich??? he had to tack to the center. .that is what the American people wanted.. that is how he got reelected..that is how he worked with congress to balance the budget and get things done..he worked within the context of what was possible!

now all of a sudden in 2016 we are going to judge the 1990s as a failure? 

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 06:01:54 pm
And the American people.
nice and couldn't agree more...that's been my hope since Trump showed up day one
He certainty could pull a lot of people to vote for him as a 3rd party, but not enough to win
Hey, a wackadoo 3rd party candidate helped us get a Clinton in office the first time; why mess with success?
man an my inlaws wanted that wackadoo sooo bad as well as this current wackadoo

Must say Willy's lasting contribution to liberal ideology is waning over time
look at the impact of NAFTA, Welfare reform, lack of action on the drug war, 3 Strikes, freedom of marriage
as well as some of the seeds for the Mortgage crisis

I love slick willy, but he was a moderate who leaned a little further right than I would have preferred,

but ultimately he had to compromise to get stuff passed, just really didn't like some of the stuff that actually got passed

this is some of the dumbest shit i have read.. incomes grew.. people were doing well... that is the most important thing... i guess you forgot how the late 90s were... it was a golden age.. I remember being at parties at Tim's and everyone was talking about how great things were going.. don't you remember? unemployment going down down down.. stock market going up up up?

of course bill wasn't a left wing liberal.. how could he be? don't you remember how he got creamed in 94 by gingrich??? he had to tack to the center. .that is what the American people wanted.. that is how he got reelected..that is how he worked with congress to balance the budget and get things done..he worked within the context of what was possible!

now all of a sudden in 2016 we are going to judge the 1990s as a failure? 



Is everyone having problems reading, I never said there wasn't prosperity...can't really say he takes all the credit for that either...as jules said "he presided'
And yes us and all our white middle class friends did great in the 90's....so not a really good example

I said I like bill, but he was a contributor to things that today have really snowballed
even he admitted that he wished he didn't sign the 3 strikes

with 3 strikes, NAFTA and Welfare reform...do you think African American or poor minorities are better off

So we can't discuss these things?
These are important to me and I think their impact should be talked about
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2016, 06:13:53 pm
And the American people.
nice and couldn't agree more...that's been my hope since Trump showed up day one
He certainty could pull a lot of people to vote for him as a 3rd party, but not enough to win
Hey, a wackadoo 3rd party candidate helped us get a Clinton in office the first time; why mess with success?
man an my inlaws wanted that wackadoo sooo bad as well as this current wackadoo

Must say Willy's lasting contribution to liberal ideology is waning over time
look at the impact of NAFTA, Welfare reform, lack of action on the drug war, 3 Strikes, freedom of marriage
as well as some of the seeds for the Mortgage crisis

I love slick willy, but he was a moderate who leaned a little further right than I would have preferred,

but ultimately he had to compromise to get stuff passed, just really didn't like some of the stuff that actually got passed

this is some of the dumbest shit i have read.. incomes grew.. people were doing well... that is the most important thing... i guess you forgot how the late 90s were... it was a golden age.. I remember being at parties at Tim's and everyone was talking about how great things were going.. don't you remember? unemployment going down down down.. stock market going up up up?

of course bill wasn't a left wing liberal.. how could he be? don't you remember how he got creamed in 94 by gingrich??? he had to tack to the center. .that is what the American people wanted.. that is how he got reelected..that is how he worked with congress to balance the budget and get things done..he worked within the context of what was possible!

now all of a sudden in 2016 we are going to judge the 1990s as a failure? 



Is everyone having problems reading, I never said there wasn't prosperity...can't really say he takes all the credit for that either...as jules said "he presided'
And yes us and all our white middle class friends did great in the 90's....so not a really good example

I said I like bill, but he was a contributor to things that today have really snowballed
even he admitted that he wished he didn't sign the 3 strikes

with 3 strikes, NAFTA and Welfare reform...do you think African American or poor minorities are better off

So we can't discuss these things?
These are important to me and I think their impact should be talked about


your argument seems to be that prosperity only benefited white people? is that your position? low unemployment and increased incomes were limited to white people?

I support free trade...I supported NAFTA and still support free trade agreements.... I don't see a point to producing shirts in South Carolina when they can make them far cheaper in Bangladesh...of course it tends to create economic dislocation.... the answer is not to keep making expensive shirts in South Carolina though..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 22, 2016, 07:31:56 pm
Trump has said that if he's booted in a contested convention, he'd run as independent.  Which works for me, since he'd split the republican vote, and either H or S would win.  And the liberal supreme court. And the American people.

Some people forget that in order to win the Presidential election, one candidate has to get 270 votes in the Electoral College.

In absence of one candidate getting 270 Electoral College votes, the House of Representatives elects the next President of the United States.

If a third party candidate does moderately well enough to prohibit the largest vote getter from becoming President, is this the Congress you want electing the next President?

Believe me, Michael Bloomberg knows this all too well.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2016, 08:25:11 pm
debatable whether Trump could win a state....  likeliest scenario is he will be the Republican nominee .. barring that he will run as independent and make it harder on the republican than the democratic party candidate...in that scenario I think a democratic candidate would be assured of picking up states like Ohio and Florida with a plurality... Trump could get serious votes in FL and OH but more than the democratic party candidate? I don't see it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 22, 2016, 10:26:51 pm
In absence of one candidate getting 270 Electoral College votes, the House of Representatives elects the next President of the United States.

If a third party candidate does moderately well enough to prohibit the largest vote getter from becoming President, is this the Congress you want electing the next President?
I think that is the scariest scenario I've ever heard
good flying spaghetti monster, please do not let that happen
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 23, 2016, 01:38:19 pm
Great 2 min vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W5e7AwqksU) by Robert Reich
4 Reasons Ted Cruz is Even More Dangerous than Donald Trump
good stuff
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 23, 2016, 04:31:39 pm
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2015/04/01/steve_deace.jpg)

Distraught At Cruz Campaign, Cruz Surrogate Steve Deace Threatens To "Eunuch" Himself (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/02/23/distraught-at-cruz-campaign-cruz-surrogate-stev/208750)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 23, 2016, 04:32:48 pm
I have no idea.. don't even know how the caucus works...noticeable lack of polling on this one...


NV-R

Trump 43
Rubio 25
Cruz 22
Kasich 5
Carson 4
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 23, 2016, 04:38:20 pm
NV-R
Trump 38
Cruz 28
Rubio 25
Kasich 3
Deez Nuts 2
Carson 1


Edit...just found out that Deez Nuts has endorsed Kasich
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 23, 2016, 04:59:13 pm

Edit...just found out that Deez Nuts has endorsed Kasich

I thought Deace nuts endorsed Cruz. If Cruz loses, no more Deace nuts!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2016, 05:03:12 pm
Trump 37.4
Rubio 27.7
Cruz 21.7
Kasich 7.4
Carson 5.7
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2016, 05:07:46 pm
NV-R
Trump 38
Cruz 28
Rubio 25
Kasich 3
Deez Nuts 2
Carson 1
Quoted for posterity before he attempts to change it when he realizes his numbers only add up to 97%.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2016, 05:08:39 pm
Trump 42
Rubio 26
Cruz 22
Kasich 7
Carson 5
Quoted for posterity before he attempts to change it when he realizes his numbers add up to 102%.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 23, 2016, 05:18:03 pm
Ironically, they could both still beat you.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2016, 05:18:46 pm
The SideHutch combo poll average which comes reasonably close to 100%:

Trump 40
Rubio 25.5
Cruz 25
Kasich 5
Carson 3
Deez Nuts 1
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2016, 05:19:30 pm
Ironically, they could both still beat you.
Yes, they very well could. And there would be no shame in losing to the SideHutch Combo Poll Average. None at all.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 23, 2016, 06:04:32 pm
listen Julian, you got zero cred as its pretty plain you are just rehashing nate silver's polls plus numbers...


i may revisit my numbers as i'm disheartened by how close to yours and sidehatch they are....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 23, 2016, 07:02:51 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6gb36N0a66kt1fNu/giphy.gif?linkId=21531267)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2016, 07:43:51 pm
listen Julian, you got zero cred as its pretty plain you are just rehashing nate silver's polls plus numbers...


i may revisit my numbers as i'm disheartened by how close to yours and sidehatch they are....
Nate Silver is aggregating polls and weighting certain ones more. I  doing the same with a different blend. If we come out close, it's because we are using the same (publicly available) data in. If you want to get into a statistical fight with "guesses" against people who are actually spending some time doing research and looking at numbers, that's not on me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

EDIT: ftr, I credit Rasmussen much higher than 538.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 23, 2016, 07:56:20 pm
listen Julian, you got zero cred as its pretty plain you are just rehashing nate silver's polls plus numbers...


i may revisit my numbers as i'm disheartened by how close to yours and sidehatch they are....
Nate Silver is aggregating polls and weighting certain ones more. I  doing the same with a different blend. If we come out close, it's because we are using the same (publicly available) data in. If you want to get into a statistical fight with "guesses" against people who are actually spending some time doing research and looking at numbers, that's not on me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

EDIT: ftr, I credit Rasmussen much higher than 538.

well its awfully convenient that you're coming out with exact the same numbers.. same thing you did in SC...even Nevada you just copied his prediction to the decimal!

if your guesses are just going to be Nate Silver regurgitated then there isn't any point...anybody can do that..

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2016, 08:16:29 pm
listen Julian, you got zero cred as its pretty plain you are just rehashing nate silver's polls plus numbers...


i may revisit my numbers as i'm disheartened by how close to yours and sidehatch they are....
Nate Silver is aggregating polls and weighting certain ones more. I  doing the same with a different blend. If we come out close, it's because we are using the same (publicly available) data in. If you want to get into a statistical fight with "guesses" against people who are actually spending some time doing research and looking at numbers, that's not on me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

EDIT: ftr, I credit Rasmussen much higher than 538.

well its awfully convenient that you're coming out with exact the same numbers.. same thing you did in SC...even Nevada you just copied his prediction to the decimal!

if your guesses are just going to be Nate Silver regurgitated then there isn't any point...anybody can do that..


I mean, he's average polls with some weight. An averaging of polls with no weighting is like 98% similar to Silver. Am I just not supposed to look at polls at all? Seriously asking. Are we just supposed to guess? Is reading coverage poisoning the well?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 23, 2016, 08:21:59 pm
I'm picking the Chargers to go all the way.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 23, 2016, 08:25:22 pm
Let me explain my process. I take the 538 and realpol polls lists. Find the mean. Average that with the Rasmussen poll. Then I make micro-adjustments based on my own reading of the race. (For example if 2 people are within a percentage but I feel the order is wrong like in SC, I'll re order. Or if someone is several points off ill arbitrarily soften the difference and attach the extra percentage to the top candidates - why my % were so far off on bottom three in SC). Then I make sure my numbers add up to 100% and arbitrarily add the tenths of percentages needed to make it do so. It's not scientific but it has the veneer thereof. In other words, it's somewhat proprietary to me.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 23, 2016, 09:41:45 pm
come on relaxer, your going to sit this one out again!
Hope she went down on you!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 24, 2016, 09:54:15 am
Well done, Hutch. Other than the bottom two (which we all got wrong), you were pretty spot on.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 24, 2016, 10:01:30 am
In other words, it's somewhat proprietary to me.

Until now.  Mwahahaha.  Mwahahaha! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 24, 2016, 10:10:11 am
In other words, it's somewhat proprietary to me.

Until now.  Mwahahaha.  Mwahahaha! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!
I'M RUINED!!!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2016, 10:20:50 am
well I agree with using polls to a point but when there are so few as seemed to be the case in Nevada.. and they seemed a bit old.. and it was a caucus situation... I thought gut/common sense had a bigger part to play


its so much fun to see Trump come in and destroy the Republican Party as previously constituted...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 24, 2016, 10:22:26 am
well I agree with using polls to a point but when there are so few as seemed to be the case in Nevada.. and they seemed a bit old.. and it was a caucus situation... I thought gut/common sense had a bigger part to play
A caucus (with more than 2 candidates) is notoriously difficult to poll for.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 24, 2016, 10:31:47 am
come on relaxer, your going to sit this one out again!
Hope she went down on you!

Sorry guys, I joined Tinder the other day and my plate is just full. It is crazy being single again in the age of the internet.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 24, 2016, 10:33:26 am
come on relaxer, your going to sit this one out again!
Hope she went down on you!

Sorry guys, I joined Tinder the other day and my plate is just full. It is crazy being single again in the age of the internet.
I used to find Tinder so weird as a concept, then one day I really thought about it and realized women can be terrible to me without me even having to speak to them. What a time to be alive!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on February 24, 2016, 10:45:06 am
I like it because instead of blowing all my comedy gold at this sausage factory, I can lay down smooth quips to the ladies and they invite me out for drinks and shenanigans.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 24, 2016, 10:53:36 am
blowing ... my ... sausage ... lay ... smooth ... shenanigans.
WILL YOU AND WALKIE JUST KISS ALREADY?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 24, 2016, 11:21:41 am
I like it because instead of blowing all my comedy gold at this sausage factory, I can lay down smooth quips to the ladies and they invite me out for drinks and shenanigans.
save a little for us...bordies before ho-ies

if anything, a running thread with your comic failures and great comebacks would be legendary

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 24, 2016, 11:29:00 am
ok...I concede defeat here
but I did get the closest on Kasich!

also what is up with these  338 Nevadans?
R. Paul   0.2%        170   
J. Bush   0.1%        64   
C. Christie   0.1%        50   
C. Fiorina   0.0%        22   
M. Huckabee0.0%   21   
R. Santorum0.0%   11   

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 24, 2016, 11:37:02 am
but I did get the closest on Kasich!
You were also the furthest off on Deez Nuts.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 24, 2016, 12:19:35 pm
but I did get the closest on Kasich!
You were also the furthest off on Deez Nuts.
that's what happens when you are a MAVERICK !
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 24, 2016, 12:22:16 pm
All aboard the Maverick train!

(http://freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/john-mccain1.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 24, 2016, 04:46:48 pm
(https://49.media.tumblr.com/b577d26228c9a9dee6f4acf38493f0f7/tumblr_o30q6aZJz31qewacoo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 24, 2016, 04:50:53 pm
ok...don't know if this is a real photo...but WTF!

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/12748085_10153886604602660_2137681329409609991_o.jpg)


more info (http://www.thewrap.com/trump-supporters-wear-ku-klux-klan-robes-at-nevada-caucus/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 25, 2016, 02:39:29 pm
so ... there is this (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/donald-trump-sabermetrics-bill-james-219731?cmpid=sf)

"I don?t think that Trump can win, frankly, because I don?t think there are enough morons to elect him. A certain percentage of the American public is just morons; that?s the way it is," James wrote in one section. "When you divide the public in two then divide the voters in one of those halves among five candidates or more, a candidate can win by dominating the moron vote because it only takes about one-seventh of the total population to take the 'lead' under those circumstances."

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 25, 2016, 02:44:20 pm
I mean, that's exactly what's happening. If the three candidates who do not have any mathematical path to the nomination (Cruz, Kasich, Carson) dropped out, Rubio would start winning the majority of states.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 25, 2016, 03:04:48 pm
I mean, that's exactly what's happening. If the three candidates who do not have any mathematical path to the nomination (Cruz, Kasich, Carson) dropped out, Rubio would start winning the majority of states.

Are you suggesting that all of Cruz, Kasich and Carson's supporter would magically support Rubio and not Trump?

I think Trump is more moderate than Rubio or Cruz, between those three I'd take Trump in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 25, 2016, 03:08:19 pm
Are you suggesting that all of Cruz, Kasich and Carson's supporter would magically support Rubio and not Trump?

I think Trump is more moderate than Rubio or Cruz, between those three I'd take Trump in a heartbeat.
Every single one? No. But the virtually all of Kasich's, yes. I think Rubio gets the majority of the former Cruz/Carson supporters because, as you said, he's more conservative than Trump.

Trump would love nothing more than for Cruz to remain in the race the entire rest of the way. Rubio would like nothing more than Cruz folding up tent immediately.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 25, 2016, 04:43:51 pm
David Duke: Voting against Trump is 'treason to your heritage'
The white nationalist and former KKK grand wizard encouraged his listeners to volunteer for Trump.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/david-duke-trump-219777

?He?s made it OK to talk about these incredible concerns of European Americans today, because I think European Americans know they are the only group that can?t defend their own essential interests and their point of view,? Duke said. ?He?s meant a lot for the human rights of European Americans.?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 25, 2016, 04:48:15 pm
ha...the human rights of European Americans.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 25, 2016, 05:13:27 pm

also what is up with these  338 Nevadans?
R. Paul   0.2%        170   
J. Bush   0.1%        64   
C. Christie   0.1%        50   
C. Fiorina   0.0%        22   
M. Huckabee0.0%   21   
R. Santorum0.0%   11   


the zombie effect (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-year-of-the-living-dead-the-effect-of-suspended-candidacies/ar-BBpZX9U?ocid=spartanntp)

This may turn out to be the year of the living dead.

That?s because there are 12 so-called "zombie" candidates who have suspended their campaigns for president, 11 of whom remain on state ballots throughout the country. If these halted campaigns pick up some delegates in proportional states along the way, they could come to life once again at the GOP convention in July.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on February 25, 2016, 07:34:18 pm
(http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/print-cover-full/print-covers/20160227_cna400.jpg)

Time to Fire Him (http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21693579-donald-trump-unfit-lead-great-political-party-time-fire-him)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 25, 2016, 07:48:44 pm
The establishment and media is missing the point....

Its great to see the gang up.... Pardon me if the Washington Post Editorial Board doesn't have much sway with me .. I remember their salivating about going into Iraq...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 25, 2016, 08:05:20 pm
these newspapers and pundits permanently articulating the conventional idiocy are very annoying..

I would take Trump over any candidate left in the Republican field other than Kasich...... I mean Cruz? Talk about a maniac! He's going to carpet bomb Syria but specific targets? We know Cruz is a maniac.. Trump actually has friends..Or Rubio who KNOWS NOTHING about the world and will be another W as he signs on for the next useless war surrounded by the same neocons that helped show W the way...Really?


The problem for the Republicans is that if Trump wins it will kind of be like when Andrew Jackson.. a whole new different game and players will be in power in DC... the usual "conservatives" who have done a heck of a job over the past decades mucking things up will be out of power.. so its in their interest to paint this Trump doomsday scenario...

I mean lets see some of Trump's actual positions:

1. Trade: essentially try to get a better deal with China.. doesn't seem so crazy to me... we know for too long many nasty things about the Chinese.. of course we need them but they need us too... they want to act tough, expand in the South China seas, etc.. lets see how they like it when we don't just put the interests of the Business Roudntrable or Chamber of Commerce over the interests of the American people.. again I am for free trade but not at any cost.. if China wasn't able to sell us their trinkets I don't think their government would survive to be honest.
2. Syria: Let Russia take care of it.. Sounds good to me! Rubio and Cruz can't wait to get into a war with everyone...Continue  with realignment with Iran.. again sounds good to me..
3. Health care: he is for universal health care more so than any Republican.. sounds good to me.. The other Republicans say they will abolish Obamacare and WHAT?
4. Abortion/Gays: we know very well that regardless of what he says to win votes- and yes it is an election and there is a certain level of demagogy-  that he couldn't care less about these issues and views them as unimportant..
5. Mexico: build a wall.. now I am not pro-wall but what is the real problem? Israel built a wall and the other candidates and our nation as a whole can't wait to stay in bed with Israel.. there are no issues with them building a wall but if the US builds a wall its terrible? And when he says "Mexico will pay for it" at the end of the day if the US wants them to pay they will.. it will come out of their trade with us..

The essence of it comes down to form/style.. people just object to the way he articulates and expresses himself... its much nicer for some I guess to listen to Rubio's endless "we are the greatest country in the world.. i fucked Reagan when I was a teenager.. we must leave a better country" platitudes ad nauseum...

But on issues? Trump is the best "Republican" to have come along in decades.. the man actually told people what we all know: BUSH LIED.. BUSH did not keep us safe..


I find it refreshing... It seems many others do too
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 25, 2016, 08:24:11 pm
In a way as a democrat for me Trump is the dream candidate... he is obviously more a democrat than republican... he's using the republican party to further his own interests - whether HE believes that includes the interests of the country only he knows- and he is trying (and so far so good..) to blow up the republican party. I love it.. focusing on stupidities like "OMG He said 'I love poorly educated people'" is for the sheeple......He is a politician...


the only caveat is he could beat Hillary...but even if he did that just the fact he blows up the Republican Party might be worth it...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 25, 2016, 10:17:52 pm

I would take Trump over any candidate left in the Republican field other than Kasich......
couldn't agree more, even if by some crazy turn of events he does get the nom and wins the general
he would by far be the best of those other two whack-jobs
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 26, 2016, 12:29:23 am
did you hear rubio "He never funded me"
it gets really good around 1.45 (http://gawker.com/watch-three-candidates-for-president-get-into-a-slap-fi-1761419261) (yes I get all my political news from gwaker now that stewart is gone, NOT)

this is a lot of fun up here

I want to know who says "people are actually watching this at home"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 26, 2016, 02:18:11 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12718235_10153343623661053_166713230117270097_n.jpg?oh=538515cd0ba45edbfc846dc65c475b8e&oe=5762886B)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 26, 2016, 03:37:38 pm
Chris Christie offered a surprise endorsement to Donald Trump on Friday, saying there is no one better prepared to lead the country or defeat former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should she become the Democratic nominee.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 26, 2016, 03:41:09 pm
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/1661788_10156653644620397_462823801379550589_n.jpg?oh=02d3867ed3d7d0ca6eec06051af0a98d&oe=57610A0A)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 26, 2016, 03:41:54 pm
/ :P
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2016, 04:22:03 pm
Chris Christie offered a surprise endorsement to Donald Trump on Friday, saying there is no one better prepared to lead the country or defeat former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should she become the Democratic nominee.

I don't know that it is a surprise... when Christie went after Rubio I thought he was doing Trump's dirty work...it just looked that way to me.. also not surprising Christie would support Trump.. what were his options? He couldn't endorse Rubio  or Cruz.. so it was Trump or nothing..since Trump is ahead why not? And you may never know.. VP? Attorney General in a Trump Admin..

I never got the huge love for Christie a few years ago but I respect him for putting the final nail in Romney's coffin..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on February 26, 2016, 04:31:19 pm
And you may never know.. VP? Attorney General in a Trump Admin..

Secretary of Transportation
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 26, 2016, 04:33:23 pm
And you may never know.. VP? Attorney General in a Trump Admin..

Secretary of Transportation

Secretary of Double Cheeseburgers
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2016, 04:34:23 pm
And you may never know.. VP? Attorney General in a Trump Admin..

Secretary of Transportation
took me a minute but i got it!!!!!!!
 ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2016, 04:36:18 pm
latest SC poll has Hillary up FIFTY!

its by Clemson University and has her leading 64-14... very strange result.. I guess they didn't push leaners?

I think she's going to win by like 30 points...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 26, 2016, 05:17:26 pm
And you may never know.. VP? Attorney General in a Trump Admin..

Secretary of Transportation

Secretary of Double Cheeseburgers
I was going to joke Health and Human Services but you beat me to it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2016, 05:29:22 pm
?Like Trump, Chris Christie is a pathetic, corrupt man with a tiny ego,? former Jeb Bush communications director Tim Miller tweeted. ?I'm sure they bonded discussing their insecurities over a big meal.?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 27, 2016, 09:44:40 am
interesting.. in VA one can't vote in both primaries but can choose whichever one... the loyalty statement by the Republicans has been scrapped


http://wtop.com/virginia/2016/02/want-to-vote-in-key-va-presidential-primary-deadline-nears/

I wonder how many D voters will vote in the R primary to create a little trouble?

 ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: godsshoeshine on February 27, 2016, 11:26:41 am
which candidate would one vote for to cause trouble?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 27, 2016, 10:07:24 pm
Holy Moses those SC results. A full 50 point margin is in play. Every day Bernie Sanders continues to remain in this race after Super Tuesday is a testimony to what a selfish piece of shit he is because he has zero chance of winning and he's only hurting the Democratic Party by "bloody-ing up" Hillary thru his pathetic vanity campaign.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 27, 2016, 10:12:00 pm
Bernie is an egomaniac who will rip America to shreds for his own glory. Any human being with a conscience should be demanding his immediate concession from the race and an apology to America.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 27, 2016, 11:00:34 pm
unfortunately the damage has been done...

CNN just cut to commercials in the middle of Bernie's speech.. you know they think its over...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 27, 2016, 11:54:00 pm
https://www.facebook.com/TedCruzIsTheZodiacKiller/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on February 28, 2016, 12:02:27 am
https://www.facebook.com/578168548998906/videos/589637544518673/
^ awesome Ted video
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 28, 2016, 02:10:16 pm
so parties should just pick one person and we just go with it
I think you both are asswipes on this topic

The process is working how it should, I'd hardly say that sanders has run a negative campaign against Hil
Maybe I missed it (god knows I've been wrong before)

You can have your opinion on his platforms merits
but neither of you have just made that argument

I really don't understand why that running is shelfish, he has made quite a groundswell and I think the party should take him seriously as like it or not...there are a lot of people who liked what he said



Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2016, 02:17:47 pm
I didn't put down Sanders myself..

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2016, 02:37:29 pm
not sure
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2016, 02:54:06 pm
I don't know
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 28, 2016, 04:48:28 pm
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Resigns From DNC Post, Endorses Bernie Sanders (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-bernie-sanders_us_56d30d82e4b0871f60ebbcc8)

Because the DNC has not been running a fair campaign for all candidates. They had clearly locked their support behind Clinton months ago and they will not allow any dissent from their members.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2016, 04:56:00 pm
I think there have been more than enough debates.. how many more debates and townhalls can we have? Isn't there another one coming up later this week? I actually think, if anything, we should have LESS debates... its silly to have a debate every week..

The general election will have three debates.. and it is of far more consequence.. yet some people seem to feel the primaries should have 20?? That is silly...

Moreover, the idea that Sanders can't get himself known with all the media attention (he's been on TV like all the time!), the ads he's been running (IN NH he vastly outspent her), etc seems silly to me

just silly .. all very silly...silly season..

Sanders problem isn't "bias" on the part of the DNC.. its that his message just isn't that popular outside of NH.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2016, 10:23:54 pm
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/supporter-to-trump-im-a-muslim-and-im-for-you-all-the-way-626477635550
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 29, 2016, 12:47:22 am
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Resigns From DNC Post, Endorses Bernie Sanders (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-bernie-sanders_us_56d30d82e4b0871f60ebbcc8)

Because the DNC has not been running a fair campaign for all candidates. They had clearly locked their support behind Clinton months ago and they will not allow any dissent from their members.

the issue of the superdelegates in particular.. its like people don't inform themselves before regurtitating Fox News talking points.. if you want to see a conspiracy you will

superdelegates can change their mind.. if Sanders wins some states you'd see some superdelegates switch to uncommited and eventually if he kept winning they would support him.. nobody is going to win the nomination without a majority of the elected delegates.. yet the way they report it it sounds like Hillary is up 600 superdelegates and don't explain what that means.. the superdelegates aren't binding.. their vote would only matter in a convention that was deadlocked....and by then who knows what the superdelegates will do? does anybody think for example, if Hillary lost the next 48 primaries/caucuses that she woud retain the support of the "superdelegates" of course not.....

do people in the democratic party suppor the Clintons? Of course! That is because the Clintons rocked it in the 90s and Hillary has done great since then, barely lost the nod last time and then her and Bill worked hard to get Obama elected and reelected...  that HAS to count for something, no?

a lot of this anti-hillary stuff that is being spread around is just plain false or shows a lack of understanding of how things work..

the fact is Sanders lost South Carolina, Nevada and Iowa and only won NH which borders his home state... if you are a democrat you know full well that without the black vote no democrat will be elected so you should be worried about the fact that Sanders got less than 10% of the black vote in SC... now if you want to talk about conspiracies and superdelegates and ignore the voice of , you know, the actual voters well be my guest but it just seems really stupid..

I'm done talking about this issue of Hillary-Sanders. I like Bernie but I'm supporting Hillary and its not because I'm not a real democrat or there is some conspiracy... I just like her better for many many reasons... the way Sanders supporters treat Hillary and her supporters is really insulting but its not going to stop me from liking Bernie..He's a good man.. His supporters unfortunately are seriously deluded.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 29, 2016, 12:56:05 am
ok enough arguing. lets get back to the fun.... so how do we do Super Tuesday predictions? Do we just pick who wins each state on both sides? DO we do 1 2 3 in each state? Do we pick the number of delegates each candiddate wins (this seems hard as different states apportion them in different way..)

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 29, 2016, 09:46:08 am
I posted this on FB but for the benefit of those who don't have me on their feed: two clean-shaven guys knocked on my door yesterday and started in about how they wanted to talk to me about "the future" and a man who can change everything and I cut them off and thanked them for coming but assured them I was familiar with the Book of Mormon and was not interested. I was met with agape jaws and, after a few seconds of silence, was informed they were with the Bernie Sanders campaign. Whoops.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 29, 2016, 09:46:50 am
ok enough arguing. lets get back to the fun.... so how do we do Super Tuesday predictions? Do we just pick who wins each state on both sides? DO we do 1 2 3 in each state? Do we pick the number of delegates each candiddate wins (this seems hard as different states apportion them in different way..)
Dem side: Hillary wins all of them except Vermont. Oklahoma is the closest at 52-48. GOP picks at lunch.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 29, 2016, 09:59:36 am
I posted this on FB but for the benefit of those who don't have me on their feed: two clean-shaven guys knocked on my door yesterday and started in about how they wanted to talk to me about "the future" and a man who can change everything and I cut them off and thanked them for coming but assured them I was familiar with the Book of Mormon and was not interested. I was met with agape jaws and, after a few seconds of silence, was informed they were with the Bernie Sanders campaign. Whoops.

Good on them for knowing their audience enough to shave (and bathe) for likely the first time in months before presenting themselves to you.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 29, 2016, 10:04:04 am
I posted this on FB but for the benefit of those who don't have me on their feed: two clean-shaven guys knocked on my door yesterday and started in about how they wanted to talk to me about "the future" and a man who can change everything and I cut them off and thanked them for coming but assured them I was familiar with the Book of Mormon and was not interested. I was met with agape jaws and, after a few seconds of silence, was informed they were with the Bernie Sanders campaign. Whoops.

Good on them for knowing their audience enough to shave (and bathe) for likely the first time in months before presenting themselves to you.
Other then no name tags, they really did look like LDS missionaries. I wasn't trying to funny, I really thought they were.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 29, 2016, 10:06:50 am
I posted this on FB but for the benefit of those who don't have me on their feed: two clean-shaven guys knocked on my door yesterday and started in about how they wanted to talk to me about "the future" and a man who can change everything and I cut them off and thanked them for coming but assured them I was familiar with the Book of Mormon and was not interested. I was met with agape jaws and, after a few seconds of silence, was informed they were with the Bernie Sanders campaign. Whoops.
Good on them for knowing their audience enough to shave (and bathe) for likely the first time in months before presenting themselves to you.
Other then no name tags, they really did look like LDS missionaries. I wasn't trying to funny, I really thought they were.

Were they wearing white button downs w/short selves and a black tie (possibly a bike helmet too)
but that was pretty funny
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 29, 2016, 10:20:57 am


I got some real weird robo poll which must have been a Rubio poll... the robot wanted to know how much impact a Bush, Romney and someone else- can't remember- endorsement would have.. they really wanted to know if Trump dropped out who I would vote for.. it kept asking me if I would vote for Cruz or Rubio- went into a loop and kept asking same question- but I froze and couldn't push a button as I wouldn't vote for either ever no matter what...I didn't know what to do or where to appeal for help...finally the robot gave up and hung up on me...I was kind of insulted..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on February 29, 2016, 10:26:56 am


I got some real weird robo poll which must have been a Rubio poll... the robot wanted to know how much impact a Bush, Romney and someone else- can't remember- endorsement would have.. they really wanted to know if Trump dropped out who I would vote for.. it kept asking me if I would vote for Cruz or Rubio- went into a loop and kept asking same question- but I froze and couldn't push a button as I wouldn't vote for either ever no matter what...I didn't know what to do or where to appeal for help...finally the robot gave up and hung up on me...I was kind of insulted..

Was the robot wearing white button downs w/short selves and a black tie (possibly a bike helmet too)?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 29, 2016, 10:35:16 am


I got some real weird robo poll which must have been a Rubio poll... the robot wanted to know how much impact a Bush, Romney and someone else- can't remember- endorsement would have.. they really wanted to know if Trump dropped out who I would vote for.. it kept asking me if I would vote for Cruz or Rubio- went into a loop and kept asking same question- but I froze and couldn't push a button as I wouldn't vote for either ever no matter what...I didn't know what to do or where to appeal for help...finally the robot gave up and hung up on me...I was kind of insulted..

Was the robot wearing white button downs w/short selves and a black tie (possibly a bike helmet too)?
Early contender for POTW right there.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on February 29, 2016, 01:56:51 pm
yeah . . . but, short selves?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on February 29, 2016, 02:08:41 pm
john oliver's bit from last night is comedy gold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

the ending is epic.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 29, 2016, 02:32:09 pm
this is great

The 199 People, Places and Things Donald
Trump Has Insulted on Twitter: A Complete List (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=0#rockin-in-the-free-world)

The sad commentary here is the people who support him think this is what makes trump awesome
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: challenged on February 29, 2016, 03:46:36 pm
added the drumpf chrome extension....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 29, 2016, 04:50:22 pm
So can we come up with a standard format for bets

Top three each state
I almost think we should probably just skip the democrats too
no way am I doing delegate counts

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 29, 2016, 04:57:43 pm
So can we come up with a standard format for bets

Top three each state
I almost think we should probably just skip the democrats too
no way am I doing delegate counts



just follow Julian's lead.. call each state and give us one kernel...

I'm not too motivated right now..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on February 29, 2016, 10:16:52 pm
my heart's not in it...no predictions
hil is going to crush VA
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on February 29, 2016, 10:24:49 pm
Trump's campaign keeps giving the word shitshow new meanings..... he is getting so much bad press these past few days......it will be interesting to see how and if he holds up tomorrow.... I've never seen anything like it.. every hour is something new...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 01, 2016, 09:35:51 pm
bad news won't stop him...crushing it in the early results
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 01, 2016, 10:55:59 pm
rubio is not going to put a single win on the board...NOVA republicans have forsaken la cucaracha

going to be some strange times at the RNC...that would be a fun convention to be at
How do we get jules in there?

I bet it's going to get bloody
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 02, 2016, 01:30:35 am
 Yes! I am still willing to do a Juggalo gathering plus RNC weekend! Both are in Ohio! Make this happen and I promise you it will be fucking gold!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 02, 2016, 06:55:14 am
Ted Cruz makes me want to break stuff...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 02, 2016, 09:18:46 am
While John Oliver's take down of Drumpf (no extension required) is getting all the attention, Samantha Bee's take down of Kasich the week earlier was equally masterful. She also shown the spotlight on how liberals failed to turn in the midterms and the results of that.  Next week I'm expecting to be screaming at the TV over what's been happening at the state level of late..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 02, 2016, 11:02:41 am
Ted Cruz makes me want to break stuff...

I suspect though that Drumpf is getting most of the Limp Bizkit vote.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2016, 11:51:58 am
Comical... the Republicans were all "TRUMP MUST SIGN THE LOYALTY PLEDGE TO REMAIN IN THE GOP!!!!!!!" and now they're openly trying to destroy him and saying they will not support him...


good shit..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 02, 2016, 12:00:23 pm
It's what happens when you get billionaires super pacs panties in a bunch..

And would we even have Cruz if it weren't for Citizens United.  Isn't he basically the Koch Brothers pet?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: shemptiness on March 02, 2016, 01:32:11 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcgytE5WwAAnZWH.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 02, 2016, 01:33:33 pm
I don't usually get political insights from Deadspin (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/republican-voters-vote-for-a-very-republican-republican-1762394539#_ga=1.34774497.1747680276.1406310731) but this was a really good paragraph:

Quote
It?s funny how this shit goes. The end is nigh, we?re told, because Republican voters selected, have selected, are selecting a presidential candidate who embodies literally every animating force in American conservatism?every Great Man myth it has spun around some rich, domineering bully; every mean bigotry and resentment to which it has pandered; every hard-on it has sprung for big-talking political outsiders; all its professed contempt for ?political correctness?; its core insistence that the unfettered self-interest of the white male is the light of the world; its opportunistic embrace and exaltation of ignorance and stupidity and hate?but spurns the thin, patronizing sobriety of its traditional and fraudulent packaging. The voters have chosen exactly what each slickly packaged general-election Republican candidate has winked and dog-whistled and hinted he secretly was in my whole entire goddamn lifetime. They?ve chosen what apparatchiks like William Kristol have spent the past 25 years pretending Ronald Reagan wasn?t.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: shemptiness on March 02, 2016, 02:53:14 pm

http://trumpdonald.org/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 02, 2016, 03:25:20 pm
Carson out by the end of the day.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: bob72 on March 02, 2016, 04:25:43 pm
Donald Trump will be a fabulous president. He is really in touch with the youth of America. After all, he did go to the American Idiot premiere.

(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/98581408-donald-trump-and-melania-trump-attend-the-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=9QMziWNtBI6whP66vhs4oaWKQrCSx57GMTEkWXWhROBGmPSogt56ydaHqxFM1h3u5iL8xwiJ1EtoIQdfEuoysw%3d%3d)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 02, 2016, 05:38:33 pm
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

 ~ Napoléon Bonaparte

 
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12495250_10153878841756145_3329604399216246562_n.jpg?oh=f052d7f5f2f2f800aaf697adc21cfbb3&oe=5766CF91)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 02, 2016, 07:47:33 pm
Carson out by the end of the day.
well looking like Friday
Mr. Carson stopped short of suspending his campaign and said he would provide more details in a speech on Friday,
but good scoop nonetheless
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2016, 07:52:14 pm
Carson out by the end of the day.
well looking like Friday
Mr. Carson stopped short of suspending his campaign and said he would provide more details in a speech on Friday,
but good scoop nonetheless

gives him a few days to shop around his endorsement and see if there are any good offers out there...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 02, 2016, 08:52:32 pm
gives him a few days to shop around his endorsement and see if there are any good offers out there...

No.  It gives him time to empty his donation coffers to his pals...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2016, 09:05:58 pm
gives him a few days to shop around his endorsement and see if there are any good offers out there...

No.  It gives him time to empty his donation coffers to his pals...

that too...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on March 03, 2016, 11:11:40 am
this election, summarized in one image:
 
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=341302&stc=1&d=1457001736)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 03, 2016, 11:17:17 am
There's a typo on that. Under Pros for Hillary it doesn't say "Is the most qualified candidate in the history of American politics" and "An ability to get her agenda passed." And for some reason under Cons, it lists "Hillary." Very shoddy meme-making.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 03, 2016, 11:18:00 am
you should like this one sweets

(http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/5C34/production/_88540632_0afa62c9-2f13-4499-9bb2-d8fba1dcdc7b.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 03, 2016, 11:19:08 am
There's a typo on that. Under Pros for Hillary it doesn't say "Is the most qualified candidate in the history of American politics" and "An ability to get her agenda passed." And for some reason under Cons, it lists "Hillary." Very shoddy meme-making.
so when slobbering over Hillary's phallus, do you pay attention to the balls?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on March 03, 2016, 11:25:09 am
as strong as Hillary did in the primary, and as strong as trump did in the primary, I feel a battle with them vs each other for the prize, will be good.  I cant tell who will win, at this point.  the hate for the other, is strong from both fronts.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 03, 2016, 11:32:46 am
as strong as Hillary did in the primary, and as strong as trump did in the primary, I feel a battle with them vs each other for the prize, will be good.  I cant tell who will win, at this point.  the hate for the other, is strong from both fronts.
Trump has a double-digit negative favorability rating with Independents and a strong chance that the GOP would mount a conservative third party candidate against him. I think Hillary clears 400 electoral votes.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on March 03, 2016, 11:35:16 am
do you think if the republicans gave in and let trump battle hillster, trump would win?  or is wise that the pubs shoot for someone else?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 03, 2016, 11:36:16 am
man I would have a tough time in this primary
in this one I'd go for Clinton
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10366040_10208522964101137_6861235883073592556_n.jpg?oh=e5547f1267c49392413d2914230c58dc&oe=574F04DD)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 03, 2016, 11:40:55 am
do you think if the republicans gave in and let trump battle hillster, trump would win?  or is wise that the pubs shoot for someone else?
No, I think he would lose either way. These sort of favorability ratings (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating) are virtually impossible to overcome in the General Election. You cannot lose Democrats by 75% and Independents by 20% (and stoke high turn out among Latinos and African-Americans with his jingoistic, racist rhetoric) and hope to win. There simply aren't enough Republicans out there.

If a more traditional GOP candidate goes third-party, that's when we get into historical electoral numbers for Hillary.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: bob72 on March 03, 2016, 12:26:31 pm
so I had a disagreement with someone in my office regarding people's dislike of Hillary. I think it's because she's a Clit on, and he thinks it's because she's a woman.

What's the general population's view on this?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 03, 2016, 12:30:53 pm
so I had a disagreement with someone in my office regarding people's dislike of Hillary. I think it's because she's a Clit on, and he thinks it's because she's a woman.

What's the general population's view on this?
Well if you are a registered republican...that's pretty much the argument
not on actual experience or platforms, the mantra is 'we will and always will hate Hillary"
never really a discussion of why

Which is why it is so nice that it's pretty much a lock she'll be the next one at 1600 Penn
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on March 03, 2016, 12:48:54 pm
so I had a disagreement with someone in my office regarding people's dislike of Hillary. I think it's because she's a Clit on, and he thinks it's because she's a woman.

What's the general population's view on this?

i believe that the general population's view is that hillary is just another establishment politician with a mixed to positive record.  some of these people like her, some dislike her.  if you believe the polls, more people like her than don't.

those who hate hate hate hillary are the right-wingnuts and they'll pick any one of 10 reasons to hate her.   she's a woman, she's a clinton, she's a liberal... the actual reason doesn't matter. hate for her is right up there with obama: these two could cure cancer and create a 20 million high-paying jobs and this bunch of mouth-breathers will still hate them.  the problem is that this bunch is disproportionately vocal and, more often than not, in positions of authority within the GOP.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2016, 12:56:54 pm
My wife hates Hillary (and supports Bernie) because she says Hillary is a liar and a phony.

My mom hates Hillary (and supports Cruz) because she says Hillary is a liar and a phony.

It's always great when your spouse and their mother-in-law see eye to eye on something.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2016, 12:59:04 pm
man I would have a tough time in this primary
in this one I'd go for Clinton
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10366040_10208522964101137_6861235883073592556_n.jpg?oh=e5547f1267c49392413d2914230c58dc&oe=574F04DD)

I preferred that joke when it was done with George Clinton and COLONEL Sanders, because I have no idea who the second guy pictured is.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 03, 2016, 01:01:16 pm
Trump has a double-digit negative favorability rating with Independents and a strong chance that the GOP would mount a conservative third party candidate against him. I think Hillary clears 400 electoral votes.

This is pretty close.  I think we're looking at Bush v Dukakis numbers, but not quite Reagan v Mondale.  I don't rule out Trump doing something completely insane and making this Mondalesque however....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on March 03, 2016, 01:11:58 pm
I preferred that joke when it was done with George Clinton and COLONEL Sanders, because I have no idea who the second guy pictured is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharoah_Sanders
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 03, 2016, 01:18:20 pm
My wife hates Hillary (and supports Bernie) because she says Hillary is a liar and a phony.

My mom hates Hillary (and supports Cruz) because she says Hillary is a liar and a phony.

What states do they live in?  Because that's all that matters...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2016, 02:10:23 pm
how people feel today could well change in a few months...

for example those hypothetical matchup numbes are worthless..


I think if the economy keeps growing and adding jobs and we don't suffer any more terrorist attacks, come the fall, its going to be hard to see people voting Republican for the presidency..... Lets think..what if the economy adds 200,000 jobs on average for the next 8 months.. on top of the jobs already added..

I differ from the concensus in that I think Trump could be a far bigger threat to Hillary than Cruz or Rubio... I could see him doing well in MI, OH, PA.. certainly taking NH.. he makes the map bigger for the Repubicans.. otherwise they are stuck with the same crummy game of absolutely having to win OH etc...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 03, 2016, 02:20:29 pm
What states do you see him adding to in play for the GOP? NH is always a swing state as-is.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2016, 02:25:05 pm
PA, MI.. .. he would make it really hard on the democrats to take OH or FL....

Lets think about that: how does Hillary get elected without OH and FL?


I'd have to do some legwork on NY... I'm skeptical about Trump's chances there..

this is all assuming the current GOP game of comparing him to the antichrist ends fairly soon.. it will take a toll..it is taking a toll..  obviously if your own party is saying you are the antichrist/Hitler its going to be hard to win anything.....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 03, 2016, 02:35:00 pm
PA, MI.. .. he would make it really hard on the democrats to take OH or FL....
I don't think MI is in play, personally.

I would argue PA, OH, and FL are all "in-play" in any election. I mean, those are the general big swing states that decide every election of my lifetime.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2016, 02:36:31 pm
PA, MI.. .. he would make it really hard on the democrats to take OH or FL....
I don't think MI is in play, personally.

I would argue PA, OH, and FL are all "in-play" in any election. I mean, those are the general big swing states that decide every election of my lifetime.

OH and FL are in play always. not PA or MI

I think they would be in play with Trump.. its all personal opinion at this point...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 03, 2016, 02:38:05 pm
Lets think about that: how does Hillary get elected without OH and FL?
Big Ten country (minus IN and OH) + Virginia + Nevada, hypothetically.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 03, 2016, 02:44:46 pm
OH and FL are in play always. not PA or MI

I think they would be in play with Trump.. its all personal opinion at this point...
I was mistakenly remembering PA as voting for Bush 2 at least one time, but after further review, you are correct, they have not voted for a GOP candidate since 88. So hypothetically, yes, if Trump makes MI and PA legitimately "in play", that would be changing the map.

That said (and back to your point that its just personal opinion/conjecture at this point), I really do not see him making a serious run at those states.

And again, the thing people really aren't talking about enough is the very real prospect that if Trump does get through the convention with the nomination that a GOP-establishment candidate files as a third-party candidate. A third party candidate taking even 5% nationally obliterates Trump's chance of winning any swing state.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 03, 2016, 04:16:10 pm
keepin it classy in Texas
 Robert Morrow the elected chair of the Republican Party in Travis County, Texas
(http://www.joemygod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/morro9-660x330.jpg)
couldn't find the image of the one where he calls Clinton an Angry Bull Dyke
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on March 03, 2016, 04:36:23 pm
with male pattern baldness, that he is so trying to hide . . . id be that mad, too.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 03, 2016, 04:43:51 pm
with male pattern baldness, that he is so trying to hide . . . id be that mad, too.
I was tempted to make a comment about that, thank you for saying what I was thinking

got to be closeted with his homosexualized commentary
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2016, 04:50:52 pm
OH and FL are in play always. not PA or MI

I think they would be in play with Trump.. its all personal opinion at this point...
I was mistakenly remembering PA as voting for Bush 2 at least one time, but after further review, you are correct, they have not voted for a GOP candidate since 88. So hypothetically, yes, if Trump makes MI and PA legitimately "in play", that would be changing the map.

That said (and back to your point that its just personal opinion/conjecture at this point), I really do not see him making a serious run at those states.

And again, the thing people really aren't talking about enough is the very real prospect that if Trump does get through the convention with the nomination that a GOP-establishment candidate files as a third-party candidate. A third party candidate taking even 5% nationally obliterates Trump's chance of winning any swing state.

obviously if the GOP fields an anti-Trump candidate Hillary will be elected... I think we don't talk about that because its obvious...

its hard to see how the Republicans win at this point.. if they decide to go in against Trump as they are doing they will seriously weaken him/are weakening him for the fall even if they then decide to support him and nominate him... if they don't nominate him he will run 3rd party.. if the do nominate him but field an alternative they will lose....

the millions of people who voted for him were already angry...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 03, 2016, 04:57:18 pm
its hard to see how the Republicans win at this point..
I know and it makes me happy to have them eat their hat with their obstruction on the supreme court nom...wait for the next president...Ha!

What I'm interested in is...how is this going to impact congressional elections?
I would say it would favor the dems...but will it be enough to switch the dominance in both halls
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on March 03, 2016, 05:14:08 pm
Hillary is very strong in supporting down-stream candidates and has a long record of it. Bernie has very little concept of it and isn't thinking along those lines at all. Which worried me when everyone was #feelingthebern but now I feel like things are looking Hillary's way, as long as she doesn't get indicted.

God, can you imagine the GOP Convention if Trump gets enough votes to be the nominee? I mean, it will be literally breathtaking.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 03, 2016, 05:16:10 pm
I feel like things are looking Hillary's way, as long as she doesn't get indicted.
that does scare me and god knows they are trying as hard as they can to squeeze blood from that stone
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 03, 2016, 05:31:55 pm
I would say it would favor the dems...but will it be enough to switch the dominance in both halls
Senate, probably. The House? No chance in hell.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 03, 2016, 08:17:27 pm
per the twitter, the delusion is running high.... Romney is hoping to block trump at the convention and either him or ryan will be the brokered candiate...  okey dokey
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on March 04, 2016, 01:27:43 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ2s0q6UsAcGeBv.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 10:02:10 am
another 242,000 jobs added


Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 10:07:34 am
Hutch, do you remember was the 'price' of gas was when Newt pulled that stunt on the Gas Station on Columbia Pike 4 years ago

Wasn't it like $1.85 and was talking all this shit about how Obama was hurting the middle class with gas being so high

That gas station today...$1.67
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 10:26:16 am
I'm actually fascinated to see how Trump does in the next set of primaries. Fox News basically orchestrated a hit on him last night. Cruz and Rubio were setting each other up for one-liners half the night. That was simultaneously a shitshow and completely captivating all at once.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on March 04, 2016, 10:30:39 am
I'm so pissed I missed last night's debate. I'm totally out of the loop.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 10:33:58 am
Its definitely taking a toll on Trump's numbers... I think on Super Tuesday he lost about 5% across the board....

If Trump wins MI, OH and FL I have to think its over although Cruz would probably hang on..I just can't see Cruz winning places like CA, NY, PA against Trump in a 1 on 1...

Too many debates....total waste of time...on both sides...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 10:38:49 am
If Trump wins MI, OH and FL I have to think its over although Cruz would probably hang on..I just can't see Cruz winning places like CA, NY, PA against Trump in a 1 on 1...
I think the new strategy is for Kasich to stay in and try to take OH, then the other 2 stay in the entire way and get a contested convention. It's not about Trump not getting the most delegates, its about keeping him under 50% at this point.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 11:15:07 am
If Trump wins MI, OH and FL I have to think its over although Cruz would probably hang on..I just can't see Cruz winning places like CA, NY, PA against Trump in a 1 on 1...
I think the new strategy is for Kasich to stay in and try to take OH, then the other 2 stay in the entire way and get a contested convention. It's not about Trump not getting the most delegates, its about keeping him under 50% at this point.



yes there are strategies but if Trump beats Kasich in OH and beats Rubio in FL they will have to both concede.. at some point reality trumps (!) strategy....they may SAY that is their strategy today... but when the numbers come in its different..  How can Rubio make a case he can win if he can't win FL?.. and FL is winner take all so it will really make Trump look like he is closing in on the magic number...If you look at the poll numbers even in a place like Michigan Kasich is doing very poorly.. I think he's a goner...

I think the rest of the candidates and the establishment has until March 15..  that gives them about 10 days and one more debate... Trump might lose some of the caucuses but...can't remember the names but there are two southern states coming up and he will dominate there..

They may talk about a long strategy but that is what campaigns do to buy themselves time... and in this case.. to throw the kitchen sink at him...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 11:24:24 am
yes there are strategies but if Trump beats Kasich in OH and beats Rubio in FL they will have to both concede.. at some point reality trumps (!) strategy....they may SAY that is their strategy today... but when the numbers come in its different..  How can Rubio make a case he can win if he can't win FL?.. and FL is winner take all so it will really make Trump look like he is closing in on the magic number...If you look at the poll numbers even in a place like Michigan Kasich is doing very poorly.. I think he's a goner...
I agree, if Trump wins the winner-take-all FL and OH delegates, any attempt to hold Trump to a simple plurality goes out the window.

In which case we get into the weird hypothetical of does the GOP establishment run a third-party candidate, knowing full well it concedes the election to Hillary simply to avoid the party moving to Trump's image.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 12:30:29 pm
didn't watch the deba(cle)te last night
but I've just found it funny how they keep talking about bringing the jobs back
I think trump said "if I were president, iphones would be manufactured here'

Not sure why this is such a hard concept, but the reason they are manufactured overseas is they can pay people very little and their labor rights are slim...so very cheap way to get things manufactured

If they built iPhones here...they would cost $2000

and the same thing with exporting 12million illegals (although they really only want to kick out the brown ones)
 Who is going to do those jobs...and the cost to the public would be disastrous to our economy
farming/construction and many other industries would have to increase costs to a level that would just be a total disaster
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on March 04, 2016, 12:43:55 pm
it's all baseless tough-talk.

how are they going to compel apple to make its phones here, constitutionally?  they can't.  and even if they could, as 'hatch pointed out it would cost too much, demand would drop, and it would ultimately hurt the company (and its shareholders, and its employees, and those collecting taxes from all of these, etc.)

mass deportation of undocumented workers would wreck havoc on food prices.  would also likely result in a humanitarian nightmare.  where would we send these people?  i doubt that our neighbor to the south wants 12 million arrivals all at once.

it's as if they haven't given their proposals a second thought... oh, wait.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Bent Reznor on March 04, 2016, 01:50:56 pm
Fascinating look at who is voting for Trump...and why.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/04/trump-supportersin-their-own-words
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
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Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
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Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 02:35:04 pm
didn't watch the deba(cle)te last night
but I've just found it funny how they keep talking about bringing the jobs back
I think trump said "if I were president, iphones would be manufactured here'

Not sure why this is such a hard concept, but the reason they are manufactured overseas is they can pay people very little and their labor rights are slim...so very cheap way to get things manufactured

If they built iPhones here...they would cost $2000

and the same thing with exporting 12million illegals (although they really only want to kick out the brown ones)
 Who is going to do those jobs...and the cost to the public would be disastrous to our economy
farming/construction and many other industries would have to increase costs to a level that would just be a total disaster


but you are against free trade so presumably you want those phones built in the US.. otherwise your anti-free trade position makes no sense...

this is what gets me about some people... they love to spout off their anti-free trade drivel but god forbid they should have to pay more money for their iphones

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 02:55:21 pm
.. otherwise your anti-free trade position makes no sense...



If left to corporations, they are going to find the way to do things the cheapest way possible
but our economy has to absorb the impact of a factory leaving a small town in welfare, healthcare and other costs that end up being paid by tax payers

so yes you get your shirts for $3 cheaper, but an entire small town got wiped out
is that worth it

I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

So we can totally look the other way when people are pretty much doing slave labor and get our goods cheap


I know I'm a pinko communist and should be railroaded out of town
It's not realistic, but I think we should leverage government to reign in corporations who really don't care about the welfare of individuals
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 02:58:50 pm
.. otherwise your anti-free trade position makes no sense...



If left to corporations, they are going to find the way to do things the cheapest way possible
but our economy has to absorb the impact of a factory leaving a small town in welfare, healthcare and other costs that end up being paid by tax payers

so yes you get your shirts for $3 cheaper, but an entire small town got wiped out
is that worth it

I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

So we can totally look the other way when people are pretty much doing slave labor and get our goods cheap


I know I'm a pinko communist and should be railroaded out of town
It's not realistic, but I think we should leverage government to reign in corporations who really don't care about the welfare of individuals


yes you did say you were anti-free trade when you said you were against free trade agreements... I don't understand your position.. it is trying to have it both ways..

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2016, 02:59:18 pm
.. otherwise your anti-free trade position makes no sense...



If left to corporations, they are going to find the way to do things the cheapest way possible
but our economy has to absorb the impact of a factory leaving a small town in welfare, healthcare and other costs that end up being paid by tax payers

so yes you get your shirts for $3 cheaper, but an entire small town got wiped out
is that worth it

I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

So we can totally look the other way when people are pretty much doing slave labor and get our goods cheap


I know I'm a pinko communist and should be railroaded out of town
It's not realistic, but I think we should leverage government to reign in corporations who really don't care about the welfare of individuals


Unless you have family and friends in developing countries, who wouldn't be of that opinion?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 03:05:52 pm
it is trying to have it both ways..
maybe so
I don't think we should be providing massive subsides to keep things here
but I do think that can't compete with slave labor, so low skilled Americans just lose jobs and we really haven't found a good way to absorb those workers

I'm really not sure what the answer is, but I do think that we should try to look out for citizens interests and not always corporate interests
 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 03:16:09 pm
Ok let's get off the free-trade stuff
I don't have a very good argument or facts...just feelings

but Trump is flip-flopping on killing family members of terrorists (http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-reverses-his-stance-on-torture-1457116559)

I think we are going to see a greater scrutiny on the crazy things he says
not sure why it's taken this long, maybe even Trump never thought he'd get this far
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 03:18:40 pm
it is trying to have it both ways..
maybe so
I don't think we should be providing massive subsides to keep things here
but I do think that can't compete with slave labor, so low skilled Americans just lose jobs and we really haven't found a good way to absorb those workers

I'm really not sure what the answer is, but I do think that we should try to look out for citizens interests and not always corporate interests
 

yes..well, you have no idea what you're talking about but at least you know that...so just remember that next time you're supporting Bernie.. remember you don't want to pay $2000 more for your iphone so your support is just bullshit to make you feel better....remember when you say you are against free trade that you don't really mean it...

I do thank you for being honest...its refreshing.. not that many people would be willing to admit they dont' know what they're talking about..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 03:25:47 pm
it is trying to have it both ways..
maybe so
I don't think we should be providing massive subsides to keep things here
but I do think that can't compete with slave labor, so low skilled Americans just lose jobs and we really haven't found a good way to absorb those workers

I'm really not sure what the answer is, but I do think that we should try to look out for citizens interests and not always corporate interests
 

yes..well, you have no idea what you're talking about but at least you know that...so just remember that next time you're supporting Bernie.. remember you don't want to pay $2000 more for your iphone so your support is just bullshit to make you feel better....remember when you say you are against free trade that you don't really mean it...

I do thank you for being honest...its refreshing.. not that many people would be willing to admit they dont' know what they're talking about..
oh and thank you for being a pompous asswipe
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 03:35:14 pm
that is two insults from you in one day... keep it up jerkie and see where it gets you... just because it is an internet forum doesn't mean it has no bearing at all on our friendship.. i don't mind julian insulting me and worse my children - thought it hurt- but i dont' expect to be giving him a ride to the next rock concert, etc..i expect to punch him in the face and step on him....

free trade means we will gain from some things and not others.. the answer is to retrain and adjust our workforce to those sectors and opportunities where we have an advantage.. most of the value added in apple is provided within the US anyways... will there be economic dislocation? of course but that is life...

i thought i wrote all of this weeks ago in different words? are you paying attention?? I'm sorry for South Carolina textile workers but the answer is not to try to compete with Bangladesh and Vietnam and Central America.. its to find other things for those people to do...

at the same time, the only guy who has talked about being tougher on China and Mexico regarding trade is Trump.. now you can make fun of his hair all you want but he's right! we do need to say to china.. ok, we give you a lot of benefits selling in our market and we expect some reciprocity and if we dont' get it we can find someone else to make this stuff for us...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 03:39:44 pm
i don't mind julian insulting me and worse my children - thought it hurt- but i dont' expect to be giving him a ride to the next rock concert, etc..i expect to punch him in the face and step on him....
Two things:

(1) You did mind and said as much.
(2) No one insulted your children. Mentioning them is not, in and of itself, "insulting them."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 03:42:56 pm
i don't mind julian insulting me and worse my children - thought it hurt- but i dont' expect to be giving him a ride to the next rock concert, etc..i expect to punch him in the face and step on him....
Two things:

(1) You did mind and said as much.
(2) No one insulted your children. Mentioning them is not, in and of itself, "insulting them."

stay out of this it is not of your concern!

you did insult them.. you called them ragamuffin or whatever.. you better not mention them ever again or you are banned AGAIN.. DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND? Kosmo will ban you if you mention my kids again so I suggest you do not do that fuckface..

and maybe i used the wrong words but what i meant was it is different to be insulted by someone you don't know and are not friends with... its like.. it hurt.. but so what? i don't know you and i don't want to
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 03:45:31 pm
that is two insults from you in one day... keep it up jerkie and see where it gets you...
Ok I'm not going to go and find all the ways you put me down and insulted me in these past comments


but if you are absolving yourself from doing that...well I guess ignorance is bliss
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 03:48:28 pm
that is two insults from you in one day... keep it up jerkie and see where it gets you...
Ok I'm not going to go and find all the ways you put me down and insulted me in these past comments


but if you are absolving yourself from doing that...well I guess ignorance is bliss


like when? when i said you can't spell? well you can't! You know it.. and nobody cares anyways...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 03:57:02 pm
I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

Unless you have family and friends in developing countries, who wouldn't be of that opinion?


because I'm human and I care about the welfare of others that I'm not family or friends with
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 04, 2016, 03:58:12 pm
Cool.  We're recreating the Republican Debate in here, just like Trump wants.

My God, Mike Judge was so prescient....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 04:00:57 pm
stay out of this it is not of your concern!
You brought me into it when you spent a paragraph talking about me.

you better not mention them ever again or you are banned AGAIN.. DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND? Kosmo will ban you if you mention my kids again so I suggest you do not do that fuckface..
You're a petulant child.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 04:01:01 pm
Cool.  We're recreating the Republican Debate in here,
POTW

BTW...hutch has really small fingers
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 04:03:25 pm
Cool.  We're recreating the Republican Debate in here,
POTW

BTW...hutch has really small fingers
they tell me i have beauuuuuutiful hands..

but you're short...little sidehatch
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: betao on March 04, 2016, 04:03:58 pm
Cool.  We're recreating the Republican Debate in here, just like Trump wants.


all of the posts have to come in at the exact same time, as if they're trying to talk/post over each other, for this to be a full replication of last night's debate.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 04:04:01 pm
BTW...hutch has really small fingers
It's funny, Sweetcell and I were just talking earlier this week about how he is the Donald Trump of the board. It's really quite errie the resemblance in their characters. Blowhard assholes, completely untethered by any facts, who talk for the edification of hearing their own voice.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2016, 04:08:14 pm
I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

Unless you have family and friends in developing countries, who wouldn't be of that opinion?


because I'm human and I care about the welfare of others that I'm not family or friends with

You care about the welfare of a stranger in a far-flung foreign land as much as you care about the welfare of someone from your own family?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 04:11:23 pm
I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

Unless you have family and friends in developing countries, who wouldn't be of that opinion?


because I'm human and I care about the welfare of others that I'm not family or friends with

You care about the welfare of a stranger in a far-flung foreign land as much as you care about the welfare of someone from your own family?
You're conflating two things. I care about my family more than a stranger not because my family is from America and the stranger is not, but because I personally know them. The same is true if the stranger is from Oregon. One's affection for those they are closest to is generally not a byproduct of jingoism.

OTOH, the idea that a stranger from the US should be favored over a stranger from another country, like Sidehatch is talking about, is pure nationalism. Apples, oranges.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2016, 04:14:59 pm
I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

Unless you have family and friends in developing countries, who wouldn't be of that opinion?


because I'm human and I care about the welfare of others that I'm not family or friends with

You care about the welfare of a stranger in a far-flung foreign land as much as you care about the welfare of someone from your own family?
You're conflating two things. I care about my family more than a stranger not because my family is from America and the stranger is not, but because I personally know them. The same is true if the stranger is from Oregon. One's affection for those they are closest to is generally not a byproduct of jingoism.

OTOH, the idea that a stranger from the US should be favored over a stranger from another country, like Sidehatch is talking about, is pure nationalism. Apples, oranges.

All things equal, I have no problem giving preference to my fellow American over a stranger from foreign land.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 04:16:02 pm
I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

Unless you have family and friends in developing countries, who wouldn't be of that opinion?


because I'm human and I care about the welfare of others that I'm not family or friends with

You care about the welfare of a stranger in a far-flung foreign land as much as you care about the welfare of someone from your own family?
You're conflating two things. I care about my family more than a stranger not because my family is from America and the stranger is not, but because I personally know them. The same is true if the stranger is from Oregon. One's affection for those they are closest to is generally not a byproduct of jingoism.

OTOH, the idea that a stranger from the US should be favored over a stranger from another country, like Sidehatch is talking about, is pure nationalism. Apples, oranges.
always hard to say this, but I think jules got it right here
Of course I care more about my friends and family (although seems hutch and I are contradicting that statement)....but I don't think that the lives of other humans on this planet are worthless
I think that a lot of people and corporations really don't care and think that their welfare is of little concern
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 04:47:36 pm

I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

Unless you have family and friends in developing countries, who wouldn't be of that opinion?


because I'm human and I care about the welfare of others that I'm not family or friends with

You care about the welfare of a stranger in a far-flung foreign land as much as you care about the welfare of someone from your own family?

All things equal, I have no problem giving preference to my fellow American over a stranger from foreign land.
but you are making it like it's Sophie's choice
Why can you care about your friends, family, Americans and other humans around the world?
and just because they aren't related to you or live on your block...how can you in good conscience be ok with them being treated like subhumans...just so you can have cheap t-shirts and iphones
 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2016, 04:50:53 pm

I think part of the problem is that there is this mind set that "American lives matter more than peoples lives in developing countries"

Unless you have family and friends in developing countries, who wouldn't be of that opinion?


because I'm human and I care about the welfare of others that I'm not family or friends with

You care about the welfare of a stranger in a far-flung foreign land as much as you care about the welfare of someone from your own family?

All things equal, I have no problem giving preference to my fellow American over a stranger from foreign land.
but you are making it like it's Sophie's choice
Why can you care about your friends, family, Americans and other humans around the world?
and just because they aren't related to you or live on your block...how can you in good conscience be ok with them being treated like subhumans...just so you can have cheap t-shirts and iphones
 

I never said I was ok with anyone being treated as subhumans. I just said that American lives matter more to me than those in developing nations.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 04, 2016, 05:04:58 pm
[unintelligible yelling]
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 05:30:38 pm
just like Trump wants.
I didn't quite get this...do you think Trump wants us to anything other than vote for him and not scrutinize anything he says?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 05:41:32 pm
BTW...hutch has really small fingers
It's funny, Sweetcell and I were just talking earlier this week about how he is the Donald Trump of the board. It's really quite errie the resemblance in their characters. Blowhard assholes, completely untethered by any facts, who talk for the edification of hearing their own voice.

well its a rather thankless job, evidently, but somebody has to do it... ;D



Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 05:51:26 pm
earlier this week my kid's K class had an informal mock election.. sounds like Hillary got 8 Cruz 7 Rubio 5 Trump 1

I was proud of my son for voting for me...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 04, 2016, 05:53:28 pm
earlier this week my kid's K class had an informal mock election.. sounds like Hillary got 8 Cruz 7 Rubio 5 Trump 1

I was proud of my son for voting for me...
was Bernie even on the ballot?!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2016, 05:56:23 pm
earlier this week my kid's K class had an informal mock election.. sounds like Hillary got 8 Cruz 7 Rubio 5 Trump 1

I was proud of my son for voting for me...
was Bernie even on the ballot?!

this was very informal... something they came up with over lunch which couldn't take place at the cafeteria due to voting.. I don't know why nobody chimed in for Bernie.. I know my son came back reporting that I use bad words... which is true...but I'm glad he still voted for me. MY son loves me because I am always ahead in the polls and I always win..its true....did I mention there is going to be so much winning when I'm president y'all are going to get sick of it?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 04, 2016, 07:00:41 pm
just like Trump wants.
I didn't quite get this...do you think Trump wants us to anything other than vote for him and not scrutinize anything he says?


No.  His aim is to bring the level of discourse down to such a ridiculously low level that it becomes accepted as the norm.  That way his antics are given a pass.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 04, 2016, 07:18:51 pm
ok have we all kissed and made up  today?  or do i need to book a park for a duel...  can we chalk up whatever when down today as a case of the fridays? 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 07:34:26 pm
earlier this week my kid's K class had an informal mock election.. sounds like Hillary got 8 Cruz 7 Rubio 5 Trump 1

I was proud of my son for voting for me...
was Bernie even on the ballot?!

this was very informal... something they came up with over lunch which couldn't take place at the cafeteria due to voting.. I don't know why nobody chimed in for Bernie.. I know my son came back reporting that I use bad words... which is true...but I'm glad he still voted for me. MY son loves me because I am always ahead in the polls and I always win..its true....did I mention there is going to be so much winning when I'm president y'all are going to get sick of it?
Can you please ask Ivanka to stop calling me? I've told her it is done. Multiple times. I don't want to involve the police.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 04, 2016, 07:41:47 pm
ok have we all kissed and made up  today?  or do i need to book a park for a duel...  can we chalk up whatever when down today as a case of the fridays? 
Its up to him but I was a two time all American in fencing.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 05, 2016, 12:22:02 pm
ok have we all kissed and made up  today?  or do i need to book a park for a duel...  can we chalk up whatever when down today as a case of the fridays? 
Its up to him but I was a two time all American in fencing.
^the guy who brings a sword to a gun fight
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 05, 2016, 12:27:28 pm
ok have we all kissed and made up  today?  or do i need to book a park for a duel...  can we chalk up whatever when down today as a case of the fridays? 
Its up to him but I was a two time all American in fencing.
^the guy who brings a sword to a gun fight

Well, Wonder Woman brings bracelets. Fucking bracelets!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on March 05, 2016, 12:52:21 pm
I just went and read all of this, because I had missed all of this, and it was good . . . Donald trump good, with his rallies and the kids being banned from the marines, because of it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 05, 2016, 11:39:44 pm
Friend Dog Studios presents -Your Drunk Neighbor: Donald Trump  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRly-0wwl_g)
sorry if this was already posted, but this was some good stuff
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on March 06, 2016, 01:57:01 am
"Would, you vote for a robot?"

"They are immune, to corruption and greed."

"Would you?"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on March 06, 2016, 11:59:47 am
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--G3wbDFmK--/id7vywuazvmnhxntav9x.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 06, 2016, 02:30:57 pm
From George Takei's FB:

Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh my God, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 06, 2016, 08:35:08 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/I2kUA6oHPVUl2/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 07, 2016, 01:27:03 pm
turned off the news this weekend
sanders and cruz had a pretty good few days

Sanders has 8 states!  Damn super delegates (and total delegate count) will be his undoing
but NC, FL, OH and MI will really make his counts look pretty bad

drumpf and hill are still crushing delegates and look to continue that trend

Rubio of had a slam dunk in PR...yeah 2 'states' won
Maybe he should run for Governor there?

I'm personally going to blame Julian for Drumpf in MI...although the media wants to blame Romney
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2016, 01:42:49 pm
I will win Michigan. The party must unite behind me even if I am a blowhard...

I think people are abandoning Little Marco for Kasich...Rubio will finish 4th in MI... He really is a loser..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 07, 2016, 02:22:40 pm
Saw this today and chuckled and cried at the same time


Trump could be stopped by Cruz, much in the way that having cancer can be stopped by being shot in the face.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2016, 02:26:27 pm
http://nypost.com/2016/03/01/my-husband-loves-donald-trump-and-its-breaking-my-heart/

Donald Trump is ruining my marriage.

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/feb_29-2936.jpg?quality=100&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 07, 2016, 02:46:03 pm
^her credibility was kinda shot when I read she was for Carson (actually 2 of the wives in that article)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on March 07, 2016, 03:41:54 pm
I'm waiting, for the obligatory, she's fat and her opinion doesn't matter anyway, from Julian.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 07, 2016, 03:47:23 pm
I'm waiting, for the obligatory, she's fat and her opinion doesn't matter anyway, from Julian.
She's voting, for Ben Carson, her opinion, doesn't matter anyway.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 07, 2016, 04:24:49 pm
How about you live in New Hampshire and it doesn't matter because your primary is over?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 07, 2016, 06:13:24 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4lIqvD4.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 07, 2016, 07:01:15 pm
Some people forget that in order to win the Presidential election, one candidate has to get 270 votes in the Electoral College.

In absence of one candidate getting 270 Electoral College votes, the House of Representatives elects the next President of the United States.

If a third party candidate does moderately well enough to prohibit the largest vote getter from becoming President, is this the Congress you want electing the next President?

Believe me, Michael Bloomberg knows this all too well.

Bloomberg will not risk a Cruz or Trump Victory. (http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-03-07/the-2016-election-risk-that-michael-bloomberg-won-t-take)

"But when I look at the data, it?s clear to me that if I entered the race, I could not win. I believe I could win a number of diverse states -- but not enough to win the 270 Electoral College votes necessary to win the presidency.

In a three-way race, it?s unlikely any candidate would win a majority of electoral votes, and then the power to choose the president would be taken out of the hands of the American people and thrown to Congress. The fact is, even if I were to receive the most popular votes and the most electoral votes, victory would be highly unlikely, because most members of Congress would vote for their party?s nominee. Party loyalists in Congress -- not the American people or the Electoral College -- would determine the next president.

As the race stands now, with Republicans in charge of both Houses, there is a good chance that my candidacy could lead to the election of Donald Trump or Senator Ted Cruz. That is not a risk I can take in good conscience."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2016, 07:43:50 pm
I wonder if he would feel differently if Sanders was going to pick up the dem nomination...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 08, 2016, 10:10:38 am
I wonder if he would feel differently if Sanders was going to pick up the dem nomination...
I think your IF should have been bolded and italicized
maybe even some quotes
 ::)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: walk,on,by on March 08, 2016, 10:47:39 am
would bloomberg even be successful outside of the east coast?  who knows anything about him in the Midwest and the west coast and Hawaii and Alaska?  he might make an more interesting president than trump, but I still tend to think Hillary is the most effective of them once in office dealing with other politicians.  sanders, trump, cruz would get nothing done.  not sure about the new horse in the race, mittster.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on March 08, 2016, 10:52:17 am
Mittens will never be the president. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 08, 2016, 11:09:40 am
I wonder if he would feel differently if Sanders was going to pick up the dem nomination...
I think your IF should have been bolded and italicized
maybe even some quotes
 ::)


huh?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 08, 2016, 11:31:32 am
I wonder if he would feel differently if Sanders was going to pick up the dem nomination...
I think your IF should have been bolded and italicized
maybe even some quotes
 ::)


huh?
meaning it's highly unlikely
unless Hill gets indicted ?

but he does make a good case for not letting congress pick the president
that would suck and who the heck would the pick? They hate trump and cruz (and Bloomberg for that matter)
I'm not sure how many votes he'd pull from Hillary and how many actual republicans would vote for him over trump

these are strange times indeed
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 08, 2016, 07:26:17 pm
Looks like I'm running out of gas ....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 08, 2016, 09:59:50 pm
I don't know... I'm seeing you're still in the lead in MI
Kasich is making a commanding charge at 2nd

Sanders in the lead in MI

poor little marco may not even make it to the 15th
almost better he doesn't embarrass himself on his home turf
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 08, 2016, 10:20:00 pm
yes looks like I've restocked my supply.. expect record asshole blowhardness...

Little Marco really needs to drop out...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 08, 2016, 10:29:22 pm
see.. I'm talking about my Gold Clubs and Wineries right now and settling scores with L. Graham etc..Life is good again!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 08, 2016, 11:13:19 pm
man this Dem race in MI is quite the nail biter
considering polls had Hill up 20+

also cruz v Kasich is quite the battle too
With Rubio looking he might lose to other...the establishment needs someone to back
while I don't love the guy...out of the 4 standing, he is by far the most sane (bar is pretty low this cycle)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 12:55:02 am

Hillary had a very bad night...a very VERY bad night...IF she is not indicted- and she should be- I will defeat her easily...and I will win Michigan..it won't even be close! believe me they love me in Michigan.. I own lots of properties there and employ thousands of people.. I have a nice building there..we're very proud of it...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 09, 2016, 01:18:46 am
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g16/beetsnotbeats/538%2099_zpsph04h1nk.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 08:49:22 am
Jules, thanks for switching teams and giving bernie the win in MI
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 09:28:38 am
Sludge has a very funny headline going...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 09:49:35 am
Jules, thanks for switching teams and giving bernie the win in MI

People do understand Hillary increased her delegate lead last night, right?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 09, 2016, 10:08:43 am
This thread is 72 pages long. I think the one takeway is that Hutch is one of those Democrats who is going to vote for Trump in the general election.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 10:25:12 am
well of course I"m going to vote for myself!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 11:36:02 am
Jules, thanks for switching teams and giving bernie the win in MI

People do understand Hillary increased her delegate lead last night, right?
well she absolutely crushed in the south
but every one had her at 20+ points against the sandman in MI
so in my eyes, while he didn't get the delegate lead for the day....he stole the headlines and her thunder
The 15th is really the defining day here and he picked up a lot of momentum with these headlines

I was listening to that CSPAN call in show on the ride in (ya know as NPR is spending 30% of the air time to beg for money ;))

the takeaway I had is people said they'd vote for Trump, but if for some reason he didn't get the nom, they would vote for Bernie
I mean they couldn't be more different (other than the outsider thing...but bern has been a gov and a senator for a while...so not exactly an outsider )

The one thing the Republicans did do well on the Hill smear campaign is "Hillary is a liar" rhetoric
That is the only thing people really say when they don't like her, but not a single one can really come up with a list of things that she lied about...they just took the talking points bait and keep regurgitating it
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 09, 2016, 11:39:18 am
Jules, thanks for switching teams and giving bernie the win in MI

People do understand Hillary increased her delegate lead last night, right?
well she absolutely crushed in the south
but every one had her at 20+ points against the sandman in MI
so in my eyes, while he didn't get the delegate lead for the day....he stole the headlines and her thunder
The 15th is really the defining day here and he picked up a lot of momentum with these headlines

I was listening to that CSPAN call in show on the ride in (ya know as NPR is spending 30% of the air time to beg for money ;))

the takeaway I had is people said they'd vote for Trump, but if for some reason he didn't get the nom, they would vote for Bernie
I mean they couldn't be more different (other than the outsider thing...but bern has been a gov and a senator for a while...so not exactly an outsider )

The one thing the Republicans did do well on the Hill smear campaign is "Hillary is a liar" rhetoric
That is the only thing people really say when they don't like her, but not a single one can really come up with a list of things that she lied about...they just took the talking points bait and keep regurgitating it

What state was Bernie the governor of?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on March 09, 2016, 11:39:45 am
Jules, thanks for switching teams and giving bernie the win in MI

People do understand Hillary increased her delegate lead last night, right?
well she absolutely crushed in the south
but every one had her at 20+ points against the sandman in MI
so in my eyes, while he didn't get the delegate lead for the day....he stole the headlines and her thunder
The 15th is really the defining day here and he picked up a lot of momentum with these headlines

I was listening to that CSPAN call in show on the ride in (ya know as NPR is spending 30% of the air time to beg for money ;))

the takeaway I had is people said they'd vote for Trump, but if for some reason he didn't get the nom, they would vote for Bernie
I mean they couldn't be more different (other than the outsider thing...but bern has been a gov and a senator for a while...so not exactly an outsider )

The one thing the Republicans did do well on the Hill smear campaign is "Hillary is a liar" rhetoric
That is the only thing people really say when they don't like her, but not a single one can really come up with a list of things that she lied about...they just took the talking points bait and keep regurgitating it

NPR doesn't beg for money, your local public radio station begs for money. Which is appropriate because that is their most important source of funding. NPR is funded by the federal government, via the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, as well as by membership and program subscription fees paid by public radio stations and producers.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 11:45:50 am
NPR doesn't beg for money, your local public radio station begs for money. Which is appropriate because that is their most important source of funding. NPR is funded by the federal government, via the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, as well as by membership and program subscription fees paid by public radio stations and producers.
And Public Radio International owns both, yes?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on March 09, 2016, 11:49:10 am
NPR doesn't beg for money, your local public radio station begs for money. Which is appropriate because that is their most important source of funding. NPR is funded by the federal government, via the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, as well as by membership and program subscription fees paid by public radio stations and producers.
And Public Radio International owns both, yes?

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Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 09, 2016, 11:49:18 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdHVAx9WEAAasp0.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 12:15:54 pm
What state was Bernie the governor of?
sorry my bad, knew I should have looked that up before posting

Mayor of Burlington 80-89
U.S. House of Representatives  90-07
US Senate 07-present
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 12:23:11 pm
Found a good re-release for cassette store day
(http://media2.fdncms.com/sevendaysvt/imager/bernie-sanders-recorded-a-folk-album-no-p/u/original/2442307/bernie_album_front_copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 09, 2016, 12:56:29 pm
Jules, thanks for switching teams and giving bernie the win in MI

People do understand Hillary increased her delegate lead last night, right?

Nor do they understand that Michigan is not a winner take all state.

Michigan Delegate count:

Sanders 69
Clinton 61
Uncommitted 17
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 01:21:45 pm
Nor do they understand that Michigan is not a winner take all state.

Michigan Delegate count:

Sanders 69
Clinton 61
Uncommitted 17
If there's anything I've learned from politics, its never let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 01:23:50 pm
the real news is that Trump could take out Hillary in Michigan....they just don't like her and her record on trade is and will be a liability there...which is why even if she is winning in terms of delegates her losing to Sanders in MI is a big deal

Too bad Sanders supporters live in LALALAND where continuing to weaken her, exposing her weaknesses etc is good

I put on my Hillary Clinton bumper sticker last week and that is who I am voting for but people that call Trump supporters lunatics aren't doing too much thinking....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 01:24:51 pm
but people that call Trump supporters lunatics aren't doing too much thinking....
Well, they're definitely lunatics but for completely different reasons than you're referencing.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 01:26:09 pm
but people that call Trump supporters lunatics aren't doing too much thinking....
Well, they're definitely lunatics but for completely different reasons than you're referencing.


something is happening but you don't know what it is....do you..Mr. Julian..


tan tan ta ta
tan tan ta ta
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 01:29:33 pm
Mr. Julian..
It's Mr. Vanderbilt, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 01:30:47 pm
Mr. Julian..
It's Mr. Vanderbilt, thank you very much.

doesn't fit the parody of "Ballad of a Thin Man"..sorry
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 02:15:06 pm
Nor do they understand that Michigan is not a winner take all state.

Michigan Delegate count:

Sanders 69
Clinton 61
Uncommitted 17
If there's anything I've learned from politics, its never let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
While I live my life by julians words here...no one ever said that MI is not a winner take all
but you still have someone who got more votes and getting headlines
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 02:31:45 pm
no one ever said that MI is not a winner take all
but you still have someone who got more votes and getting headlines
The narrative I'm refuting is the idea this is a game changed in the Dem nomination race. For all the headlines, Sanders' delegate math got even worse for him last night.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 02:53:05 pm
no one ever said that MI is not a winner take all
but you still have someone who got more votes and getting headlines
The narrative I'm refuting is the idea this is a game changed in the Dem nomination race. For all the headlines, Sanders' delegate math got even worse for him last night.
not by the amount that the pundits were suggesting
this is what they were predicting
Sanders 40
Clinton 90

and this is what happened
Sanders 69
Clinton 61

not sure why you guys can't concede that is pretty dramatic shift from Tuesday morning's predictions

that he was behind 25 delegates in Old Miss...that was a thumping and expected

But there were only 136 delegates up for grabs yesterday

now on 3/15 590 are up for grabs...that's almost exactly the same as Super Tuesday

You can't tell me that these wins and good press are not making this a lot harder fight for Hill
and the Sandman could do well in all these states

RCP avg was hill up 21 points in MI
and it ended up being dead even

He's behind 20-30 points in all the upcoming states...but who is to say he doesn't do the same thing as MI

I think the game has changed and you guys are just not admitting it
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 09, 2016, 04:07:04 pm

and this is what happened
Sanders 69
Clinton 61

But there were only 136 delegates up for grabs yesterday


No.  There were 166 delegates up for grabs yesterday.

130 in Michigan, 36 in Mississippi.

Clinton won 91.
Sanders won 74.

That's what happened.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 04:32:09 pm
there you go with math and facts
honestly looked in a few different places for the counts and got different answers
I went to http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results and just added up and got 156
not sure why it's 10 off??


but the JIST of my statement is the same, you all seem to focus on a error in my statements rather than actually respond

It's ok you know Hill is tanking and you can't take it and figure best tactic is to point out where I made a mistake

Good news...I've got lots more mistakes coming, so you'll have plenty to work with


I still don't think Sanders can do it.
One thing that does scare me is a lot of Democrats don't like Hillary
and a lot of conservatives (oddly) like sanders
My opinion is that it doesn't matter who get's the R next to their name...the person with the D is going to win
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 04:43:12 pm
It's ok you know Hill is tanking
She's 18% ahead of the pace she needs to be on to win the nomination.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 04:48:50 pm
well.. as a HRC supporter I find the results in Michigan discouraging.... even if she won the most delegates last night and is still on track to be the nominee she is meeting steep resistance...from a 74 year old socialist..


Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 05:07:37 pm
she is only 6 years younger
tanking might have been hyperbole...but she is not casually walking her way to the nom

but I need to just drop it as you guys keep parsing my comments and not admit this has become a fight not a cake walk
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 05:18:31 pm
she is only 6 years younger
tanking might have been hyperbole...but she is not casually walking her way to the nom

but I need to just drop it as you guys keep parsing my comments and not admit this has become a fight not a cake walk

I think I did admit that.. I said "meeting steep resistance"? I thought i was actually defending your point! It is sad when you try to agree with someone and they assume its an argument...

I happen to think 68 or 69 is very different from 74... the guy would be 78 at the end of his first term? 82 at end of second.....to me that is too old..sorry... I'm not picking on Bernie for his age... by 2008 McCain was too old also.. Reagan was certainly too old by his second term (suffering Alzheimers probably)...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 05:21:06 pm
Frankly all the arguing and insulting is a turn off...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on March 09, 2016, 05:36:34 pm
Frankly all the arguing and insulting is a turn off...

so why do you do it, donald?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 05:37:10 pm
ok...I didn't ack that you actually were backing my point in your comment


but in breaking news...The Republican National Committee filed two lawsuits on Wednesday seeking to obtain emails related to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's tenure as U.S. secretary of state.

they can't get their own act together, so let's sue the competition
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on March 09, 2016, 05:39:13 pm
that thing, when you tell yourself trump can't take things any lower - and somehow, he does:

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/09/469775355/trump-doesnt-own-most-of-the-products-he-pitched-last-night

my forehead is about to become flat, after repeatedly banging it against my desk.

how... how, america?  how can we let this lying clown be taken seriously?

he goes on national television to prove how great a businessman he is, how incredible his products are... and EVERY SINGLE ONE* IS A FAKE???  yet there he is, proudly pimping them, hoping no one actually looks at the product.  seriously?  i guess it's the same way he's conducting his campaign: "i'm going to say a bunch of things, but no one can ask for details or look too closely at my ideas."

* exception: Trump U, which is moth-balled and currently being sued for fraud.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 05:39:46 pm
she is only 6 years younger
tanking might have been hyperbole...but she is not casually walking her way to the nom

but I need to just drop it as you guys keep parsing my comments and not admit this has become a fight not a cake walk
It is far closer to a cakewalk than a fight. Barring death, imprisonment, or sever disability, the odds of Hillary Clinton being the Democratic nominee at 99+%.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on March 09, 2016, 05:48:26 pm
The same odds that she had for winning Michigan.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 09, 2016, 05:58:43 pm
(https://oliveoylnavywife.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/img_1625.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 06:17:47 pm
Frankly all the arguing and insulting is a turn off...

so why do you do it, donald?

I've got everyone coming at me and you have to respond in kind and set the record straight.. once I'm the nominee there won't be any issues...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 09, 2016, 06:43:57 pm
(http://tosh.cc.com/blog/files/2016/03/trump.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 09, 2016, 07:34:16 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdI5tmdXEAAJT7K.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 09, 2016, 08:42:38 pm
Trump is simultaneously anti-elitist and also his entire qualification for the Presidency is that he's elite (a rich celebrity). What a weird conflation.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2016, 09:17:37 pm
Trump is simultaneously anti-elitist and also his entire qualification for the Presidency is that he's elite (a rich celebrity). What a weird conflation.

Its complicated...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 10, 2016, 04:28:48 am
Trump is simultaneously anti-elitist and also his entire qualification for the Presidency is that he's elite (a rich celebrity). What a weird conflation.

If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 10, 2016, 03:10:20 pm
If trump did book reviews by tweet (http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/trump-tweets-the-classics#.vs69Zm26P)


(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-03/7/16/enhanced/webdr01/enhanced-4779-1457387504-1.jpg?no-auto)

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-03/7/16/enhanced/webdr13/enhanced-19784-1457387055-1.jpg?no-auto)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on March 10, 2016, 03:16:14 pm
best one:
 
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-03/7/17/enhanced/webdr04/enhanced-4075-1457388065-1.jpg?no-auto)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on March 10, 2016, 03:41:16 pm
Let?s Redesign Every NFL Logo As Donald Trump And Make The League Great Again
http://uproxx.com/sports/donald-trump-nfl-logos/

(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/trump-logos-featured.jpg?quality=80&w=650&h=331)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 10, 2016, 05:17:40 pm
for the parents on the board

How Do You Talk to Your Children About Donald Trump?  (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/us/politics/donald-trump-talking-to-your-kids.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 10, 2016, 05:19:03 pm
digging deep for pundits I see
they should have put quotes around pioneer

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12814532_10153565250922956_2487452611754386124_n.jpg?oh=440874b620cb18f06318789898ba7c0d&oe=578BA101)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Yada on March 10, 2016, 05:30:20 pm
digging deep for pundits I see
they should have put quotes around pioneer

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12814532_10153565250922956_2487452611754386124_n.jpg?oh=440874b620cb18f06318789898ba7c0d&oe=578BA101)


hahhaah amazing.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 10, 2016, 05:44:57 pm
next thing you know they'll ask Jules and Hutch for their opnions
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2016, 05:45:52 pm
Brooke Baldwin is hot...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Relaxer on March 10, 2016, 05:47:04 pm
I was amazed at Ben Carson's op-ed in the Post today where he talks about strategies for down-ticket GOP candidates in the wake of the Trump phenomenon. I mean, Carson has been like a special needs moon man who gets asked about economic policy and starts talking about the pyramids or Proverbs 18:10.

Would love to know who wrote it for him, and the extent to which he was involved in any way.


"Dr. Carson, we've drafted an essay for you. It's going to appear in Thursday's Washington Post."

"I see. Does it, expand on my theory, that Hitler was, a grand but misunderstood, man of the people."

"Is that a question, sir? Anyway, uhh yes, that's exactly what it's about."

(http://sib7.ir/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/4d22c_81768561-70177903.jpg)

"I am so blessed, to hear that."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 10, 2016, 05:58:41 pm
Not really sure how to process the irony in both these stories

Asher Edelman, the inspiration for Gordon Gekko  (http://usuncut.com/politics/gordon-gekko-sanders/)in Oliver Stone?s ?Wall Street,? was asked on CNBC?s ?Fast Money? who would be his choice for the next President of the United States. He quickly responded, ?Bernie Sanders? No question.?

On Trade, Donald Trump Breaks With 200 Years of Economic Orthodoxy
?I will call the head of Carrier and I will say, ?I hope you enjoy your new building,?? Mr. Trump said last month. ??I hope you enjoy Mexico. Here?s the story, folks: Every single air-conditioning unit that you build and send across our border ? you?re going to pay a 35 percent tax on that unit.?? (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/us/politics/-trade-donald-trump-breaks-200-years-economic-orthodoxy-mercantilism.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news)

Trump has really figured out this Trade thing...just raise tariffs and that will solve everything
other than pretty much the average joe will have to spend 2 to 3 times more for everything
so good plan donald
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: sweetcell on March 10, 2016, 06:15:22 pm
"I see. Does it, expand on my theory, that Hitler was, a grand but misunderstood, man of the people."

"I am so blessed, to hear that."

walk,on,by is ben carson?!?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 10, 2016, 06:25:15 pm
"I see. Does it, expand on my theory, that Hitler was, a grand but misunderstood, man of the people."

"I am so blessed, to hear that."

walk,on,by is ben carson?!?
(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/blogs/88617/2013/12/140832-141633.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2016, 06:59:52 pm


Trump has really figured out this Trade thing...just raise tariffs and that will solve everything
other than pretty much the average joe will have to spend 2 to 3 times more for everything
so good plan donald

I thought you were against NAFTA?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 10, 2016, 08:14:43 pm


Trump has really figured out this Trade thing...just raise tariffs and that will solve everything
other than pretty much the average joe will have to spend 2 to 3 times more for everything
so good plan donald

I thought you were against NAFTA?
never said i was against it, I just was stating that many poor democrats were impacted and unions were strongly against it

But your assumption is that I would want a plan like donald's and I don't
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2016, 09:14:34 pm


Trump has really figured out this Trade thing...just raise tariffs and that will solve everything
other than pretty much the average joe will have to spend 2 to 3 times more for everything
so good plan donald

I thought you were against NAFTA?
never said i was against it, I just was stating that many poor democrats were impacted and unions were strongly against it

But your assumption is that I would want a plan like donald's and I don't

what plan? Trump has plans? That is news to me...

just having trouble understanding what you think on trade.. are you for free trade, for tariffs, somewhere in between, what exactly do you believe?

I mean I thought you were against free trade agreements.. weren't you for Nader etc? Now you are for Sanders who is against free trade.. so I assumed you were also... but please tell me..



Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2016, 09:20:31 pm
so Ben Carson is about to endorse me.. lets just put it this way: he won't need to go on any more book tours for a while..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 10, 2016, 10:56:13 pm
free trade, for tariffs, somewhere in between
I look at it like a spectrum and think there is some middle ground.

also because I like a candidate, doesn't always mean that every single policy and platform of theirs, I'm totally aligned with.  I am not a fool to think that everything a politician says will be the law of the land on day one, there will be compromise.  But, you need to think big sometimes as then you get a lot more if you think small.

I do think that trade deals are often orchestrated where big players do well and the little guy gets screwed
I think coming to the table with a plan to deal with the fallout internally is all I ask (job re-training)
typically the economy on the whole does well with free trade, but there are winners and losers.  The losers just happen to be other citizens.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 11, 2016, 12:48:00 am
(https://media.giphy.com/media/IbEd9mDBJlHgI/giphy.gif)(https://media.giphy.com/media/IbEd9mDBJlHgI/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: killsaly on March 11, 2016, 02:06:09 pm
Trump cant even correctly take a stunner.
(https://45.media.tumblr.com/e48c2c361c7e6052169c39a1006098ff/tumblr_o3g75qp7aU1sbzhteo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 11, 2016, 02:12:48 pm
forgot about that
this is how Trump plans to deal with isis
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-22-2015/AMALkq.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 11, 2016, 05:17:21 pm
yikes

Hillary Clinton Shockingly Praises Nancy Reagan's 'AIDS Activism' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-aids-activism_us_56e31770e4b0b25c9181e002)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 11, 2016, 05:19:48 pm
yikes

Hillary Clinton Shockingly Praises Nancy Reagan's 'AIDS Activism' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-aids-activism_us_56e31770e4b0b25c9181e002)
Even I was all WTF when I read that earlier.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: vansmack on March 11, 2016, 05:45:57 pm
Put that on your read list, Madam Secretary....

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71%2BQaob2ilL.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
Post by: Space Freely on March 11, 2016, 05:47:29 pm