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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Space Freely on March 18, 2016, 09:14:15 am
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How do you guys feel about elementary school kids getting assigned homework?
http://community.today.com/parentingteam/post/heres-why-i-said-no-to-homework
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HOLY SHIT DON'T GET ME STARTED
Last year, my FIRST GRADER had a spelling test of 20 words every Friday, requiring nightly study, PLUS a worksheet to do every night (including weekends) PLUS was expected to read 15 minutes a night. It was unbelievable.
His second grade teacher is not as bad, but he still has at least 30 minutes of homework plus 20 minutes of reading required. He is 7.
Meanwhile, older kid (11yo) needed two and a half hours last night to do his homework.
It's ridiculous. I don't remember any substantial homework until high school.
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It's ridiculous. I don't remember any substantial homework until high school.
I definitely had "substantial" (as in circa an hour a night with larger "science projects" or "social studies projects" intermingled) homework starting in 4th grade. In lower elementary school it was never more than a 10-minute math worksheet or something like that.
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yep, kindergartner has homework already. i probably wouldn't mind as much except its only half day kindergarten, which means 3 hours a day. i mean, if they can't accomplish everything in three hours, maybe it should be full day...
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It's ridiculous. I don't remember any substantial homework until high school.
I definitely had "substantial" (as in circa an hour a night with larger "science projects" or "social studies projects" intermingled) homework starting in 4th grade. In lower elementary school it was never more than a 10-minute math worksheet or something like that.
Children are in school seven hours a day. Why should they be expected to do schoolwork on top of that?
As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
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Children are in school seven hours a day. Why should they be expected to do schoolwork on top of that?
As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
I wasn't saying "AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE."
I agree young children should not have substantial homework. In college homework is a reality so I do think kids should be weaned into homework at some point before then but I agree hours and hours of homework for middle schoolers is overkill.
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Children are in school seven hours a day. Why should they be expected to do schoolwork on top of that?
As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
I wasn't saying "AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE."
I agree young children should not have substantial homework. In college homework is a reality so I do think kids should be weaned into homework at some point before then but I agree hours and hours of homework for middle schoolers is overkill.
Sorry, I didn't take your comment to mean you thought young children should have substantial homework. I should have been more clear about that. I was just playing off your comment.
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no. depending on what private or NGO you work for, maybe. while working in consulting, working evenings and weekend was an unavoidable reality, one of reason why i got out. my strategy has been only partially successful: at my current gig, i'd say i have to work at home about 25-40% of the time.
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as a very intelligent woman once said.... "I dream of an America with nudity and F-words on network TV, where the whole world doesn't stop because a school bus did. Children are the future?today belongs to me!"
The joys of being childless!
suck it parents! that's what you get for having kids!
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no. depending on what private or NGO you work for, maybe. while working in consulting, working evenings and weekend was an unavoidable reality, one of reason why i got out. my strategy has been only partially successful: at my current gig, i'd say i have to work at home about 25-40% of the time.
What if everybody just said no to this. Would the world fall apart? I mean with computers and shit, we're already doing way more work than the paper pushers in generations past.
What if we didn't spend x% of our time posting on message boards or reading things on the internet unrelated to our jobs. Would we still need to spend our evenings doing work?
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as a very intelligent woman once said.... "I dream of an America with nudity and F-words on network TV, where the whole world doesn't stop because a school bus did. Children are the future?today belongs to me!"
The joys of being childless!
suck it parents! that's what you get for having kids!
I wonder if you'll feel this way when you're 85 in a nursing home and have nobody left who gives a shit about you?
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no. depending on what private or NGO you work for, maybe. while working in consulting, working evenings and weekend was an unavoidable reality, one of reason why i got out. my strategy has been only partially successful: at my current gig, i'd say i have to work at home about 25-40% of the time.
What if everybody just said no to this. Would the world fall apart? I mean with computers and shit, we're already doing way more work than the paper pushers in generations past.
What if we didn't spend x% of our time posting on message boards or reading things on the internet unrelated to our jobs. Would we still need to spend our evenings doing work?
actually, it makes it a lot easier to justify ducking out midday for a kid-school thing if you're available more than just 9-5
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no. depending on what private or NGO you work for, maybe. while working in consulting, working evenings and weekend was an unavoidable reality, one of reason why i got out. my strategy has been only partially successful: at my current gig, i'd say i have to work at home about 25-40% of the time.
What if everybody just said no to this. Would the world fall apart? I mean with computers and shit, we're already doing way more work than the paper pushers in generations past.
What if we didn't spend x% of our time posting on message boards or reading things on the internet unrelated to our jobs. Would we still need to spend our evenings doing work?
actually, it makes it a lot easier to justify ducking out midday for a kid-school thing if you're available more than just 9-5
Are you talking about half day kindegarten (I wasn't even aware they still did that)? What other kid-school things require you to duck out midday?
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I wonder if you'll feel this way when you're 85 in a nursing home and have nobody left who gives a shit about you?
Your counterpoint is invalid. There are plenty of people in nursing homes nobody gives a shit about that have kids. I find that more disturbing.
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no. depending on what private or NGO you work for, maybe. while working in consulting, working evenings and weekend was an unavoidable reality, one of reason why i got out. my strategy has been only partially successful: at my current gig, i'd say i have to work at home about 25-40% of the time.
What if everybody just said no to this. Would the world fall apart? I mean with computers and shit, we're already doing way more work than the paper pushers in generations past.
What if we didn't spend x% of our time posting on message boards or reading things on the internet unrelated to our jobs. Would we still need to spend our evenings doing work?
actually, it makes it a lot easier to justify ducking out midday for a kid-school thing if you're available more than just 9-5
Are you talking about half day kindegarten (I wasn't even aware they still did that)? What other kid-school things require you to duck out midday?
other kids school things. field trips, doctors appointments, holiday parties, ect.
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no. depending on what private or NGO you work for, maybe. while working in consulting, working evenings and weekend was an unavoidable reality, one of reason why i got out. my strategy has been only partially successful: at my current gig, i'd say i have to work at home about 25-40% of the time.
What if everybody just said no to this. Would the world fall apart? I mean with computers and shit, we're already doing way more work than the paper pushers in generations past.
What if we didn't spend x% of our time posting on message boards or reading things on the internet unrelated to our jobs. Would we still need to spend our evenings doing work?
actually, it makes it a lot easier to justify ducking out midday for a kid-school thing if you're available more than just 9-5
Are you talking about half day kindegarten (I wasn't even aware they still did that)? What other kid-school things require you to duck out midday?
other kids school things. field trips, doctors appointments, holiday parties, ect.
Adorable recitations of the Gettysburg Address with everyone wearing fake beards, class plays where someone wears a fake beard, class elections where one kid attempts to appear older and more mature because he's wearing a fake beard, social studies fairs where your kid has done a project on the history of fake beards, etc etc. My parents were at my school all the time for stuff.
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as a very intelligent woman once said.... "I dream of an America with nudity and F-words on network TV, where the whole world doesn't stop because a school bus did. Children are the future?today belongs to me!"
The joys of being childless!
suck it parents! that's what you get for having kids!
I wonder if you'll feel this way when you're 85 in a nursing home and have nobody left who gives a shit about you?
Imagine the disappointment of having kids and still being 85 years old in a nursing home and no one giving a shit about you.
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as a very intelligent woman once said.... "I dream of an America with nudity and F-words on network TV, where the whole world doesn't stop because a school bus did. Children are the future?today belongs to me!"
The joys of being childless!
suck it parents! that's what you get for having kids!
I wonder if you'll feel this way when you're 85 in a nursing home and have nobody left who gives a shit about you?
Imagine the disappointment of having kids and still being 85 years old in a nursing home and no one giving a shit about you.
That's why we spoil them rotten now and hope for the best later, right?
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Dear parent of my kid's friend,
I know my kid is partly to blame here. But sometimes eight year olds don't know better and the adults have to be the smart people in the room.
When our kid came over for a playdate, for the love of God (and I capitalize God for your benefit, since you seem to want everyone to know how important your Faith is), please don't give her unlimited, unsupervised access to all of your Costo garbage treats and girl scout cookies. The next 12 hours after her departure from your house didn't go well for her, poor thing.
Cheers and God Bless,
Space
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As music living parents, how much do you try to steer your kid's music taste?
My daughter's music taste is pretty much limited to a small subset of music that my wife and I have introduced her. She hates or dismisses most of what we play for her, but what does stick she tends to obsess on (Pet Sounds (good lord i think she plays that album every freaking day), early Cure, Dolly Parton, Ashley Monroe, she had a Dr. Dog phase). She dismisses modern top 40 (which i assume is what a lot of kids her age listen to) as rubbish.
My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam band and jazz). He said they then made a conscious effort to expose their son (and themselves) to music that typical eight year olds listen to (whatever that is), so that their kid would "fit in musically" with other kids.
I'm not sure how necessary what my friend did is....
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As music living parents, how much do you try to steer your kid's music taste?
My daughter's music taste is pretty much limited to a small subset of music that my wife and I have introduced her. She hates or dismisses most of what we play for her, but what does stick she tends to obsess on (Pet Sounds (good lord i think she plays that album every freaking day), early Cure, Dolly Parton, Ashley Monroe, she had a Dr. Dog phase). She dismisses modern top 40 (which i assume is what a lot of kids her age listen to) as rubbish.
My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam band and jazz). He said they then made a conscious effort to expose their son (and themselves) to music that typical eight year olds listen to (whatever that is), so that their kid would "fit in musically" with other kids.
I'm not sure how necessary what my friend did is....
I think both of you should set your kids free to explore the world. Are you afraid that if she listens to Black Sabbath, she'll commit suicide? Are you afraid she might be a Nickelback fan? Do you want to shelter her from all that is unholy and Celine Dion-related?
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As music living parents, how much do you try to steer your kid's music taste?
My daughter's music taste is pretty much limited to a small subset of music that my wife and I have introduced her. She hates or dismisses most of what we play for her, but what does stick she tends to obsess on (Pet Sounds (good lord i think she plays that album every freaking day), early Cure, Dolly Parton, Ashley Monroe, she had a Dr. Dog phase). She dismisses modern top 40 (which i assume is what a lot of kids her age listen to) as rubbish.
My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam band and jazz). He said they then made a conscious effort to expose their son (and themselves) to music that typical eight year olds listen to (whatever that is), so that their kid would "fit in musically" with other kids.
I'm not sure how necessary what my friend did is....
lately my kdis are not interested....music is like background to them.. turntable is almost always spinning..
i can tell you one thing.. i will never EVER expose my children to music that typical eight year olds listen to so my kid "fits in" musically... "fitting in" is not what we do around these parts...i doubt we could do it even if we tried real hard.
i do play a lot of kids music.. like yesterday i played the sesame disco lp which has the wonderful "I lost my cookie at the disco" (by cookie monster obviously)... i've also said many times how much i love raffi.. ella jenkins too...
i sometimes think of getting one of those kid bop cds but i'm pretty sure they would be horrible...
i would love to pass on my love of music to my kids... my love of collecting vinyl..but my expectation is that either it will happen naturally or it won't
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LOL@Kids Bop.
Has never heard or it before yesterday. My daughter came home from school yesterday saying that the teacher had played "this horrible music called Kids Bop."
The only "kids" music that we really ever exposed her to was the TMBG ABC, 123, and science albums....which I think held up on there own musically (and we prefer to their "adult" stuff).
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When we're in the car, I usually play the music I want to hear, which is usually KPOP. But I encourage them to listen to whatever they like, so we'll play 94.7 too. Hey, you want to jam out to 21 Pilots or whatnot, you go right ahead. I grew up loving the Thompson Twins and John Parr and Bryan Adams and eventually made my own way to Suicidal Tendencies and the Minutemen and Jesus and Mary Chain. When they're on headphones, they can listen to what they want.
No way I'm going to be this guy
http://www.theonion.com/article/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-h-26132 (http://www.theonion.com/article/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-h-26132)
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My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam bands
Might have to call child protective services on them...that is the most heinous act of child abuse I've seen in a while
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we'll play 94.7 too. Hey, you want to jam out to 21 Pilots or whatnot, you go right ahead. I grew up loving the Thompson Twins and John Parr and Bryan Adams and eventually made my own way to Suicidal Tendencies and the Minutemen and Jesus and Mary Chain. When they're on headphones, they can listen to what they want.
same here
although my parents had some great vinyl (IMO) when I was a wee one that they let me play
lots of rod steward/foreigner/billy joel/SatNightFev
When I started buying albums, I first bought Foreginer 4 then the bee gees....after that I think it was Metal for a few years and then new wave and punk
that's when they bought me my own turntable and headphones :)
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we'll play 94.7 too. Hey, you want to jam out to 21 Pilots or whatnot, you go right ahead. I grew up loving the Thompson Twins and John Parr and Bryan Adams and eventually made my own way to Suicidal Tendencies and the Minutemen and Jesus and Mary Chain. When they're on headphones, they can listen to what they want.
same here
although my parents had some great vinyl (IMO) when I was a wee one that they let me play
lots of rod steward/foreigner/billy joel/SNF
When I started buying album, I first bought Foreginer 4 then the bee gees....after that I think it was Metal for a few years and then new wave and punk
that's when they bought me my own turntable and headphones :)
I think my first albums bought were Foreigner Double Vision and Billy Joel's 52nd Street. In retrospect, it would have been much cooler if I had just stuck with my dad's Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, etc. country albums. At least I have his lp's now, whereas my Foreigner and Billy Joel crap are long gone.
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My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam bands
Might have to call child protective services on them...that is the most heinous act of child abuse I've seen in a while
LOL, I'll take jam bands, and especially jazz, over some of the music that gets talked about on this discussion board.
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no.
I beg to differ.....
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As music living parents, how much do you try to steer your kid's music taste?
I don't......or rather I tried and failed
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My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam bands
Might have to call child protective services on them...that is the most heinous act of child abuse I've seen in a while
LOL, I'll take jam bands, and especially jazz, over some of the music that gets talked about on this discussion board.
I specifically left jazz off there...
and the music most of us listen to isn't actually approiate for young kids
Kidz bop sucks...please don't let your kids listen to that crap
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My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam bands
Might have to call child protective services on them...that is the most heinous act of child abuse I've seen in a while
LOL, I'll take jam bands, and especially jazz, over some of the music that gets talked about on this discussion board.
I specifically left jazz off there...
and the music most of us listen to isn't actually approiate for young kids
Kidz bop sucks...please don't let your kids listen to that crap
What music are you referring to?
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no.
I beg to differ.....
i should have specified, i meant consultants working for the government. in my former life as a consultant, there was a big divide between those doing public/government consulting and those working with the private sector . those doing private were expected to do 60+ hours of work a week (one of the reasons i bailed). on the government side, you were strictly prohibited from working any more than the 35-40 hours you were contracted for.
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My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam bands
Might have to call child protective services on them...that is the most heinous act of child abuse I've seen in a while
LOL, I'll take jam bands, and especially jazz, over some of the music that gets talked about on this discussion board.
I specifically left jazz off there...
and the music most of us listen to isn't actually approiate for young kids
Kidz bop sucks...please don't let your kids listen to that crap
if you have to ask you'll never knowWhat music are you referring to?
if you have to ask you'll never know
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My friend has a kid the same age who was also latching onto his parent's music (I think they're more into jam bands
Might have to call child protective services on them...that is the most heinous act of child abuse I've seen in a while
This makes me think of that Portlandia skit where Fred and Carrie are appalled at the choices of kids music at the local library (think Raffe and the Wiggles) so they start a kid focused art rock band ala Sonic Youth circa the late 80's
"Who says a kid can't enjoy the guitar solo in a Dinosaur Jr song?"
"Kids like time changes and interesting time signatures."
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As an adult, are you expected/required by your employer to do work at home at night beyond the eight (or more?) hours you put in at the office during the day?
if you work for the government, no.
I beg to differ.....
i should have specified, i meant consultants working for the government. in my former life as a consultant, there was a big divide between those doing public/government consulting and those working with the private sector . those doing private were expected to do 60+ hours of work a week (one of the reasons i bailed). on the government side, you were strictly prohibited from working any more than the 35-40 hours you were contracted for.
Again, I beg to differ - I've never heard of govt consultants being limited to 40 hrs a week and in fact have regularly witnessed both Fed and contractors working 100+ hours a week in my time on this job - now whether or not they are only "billing" 40 hours a week is an entirely different matter
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I probably would draw the line at playing Turbonegro for my kids... they have a lot of songs like "I want your dick in my ass.."....not that there is anything wrong with that mind you..
Its probably fortunate for them I am not into cookie monster metal
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funny just saw this on the BYT review of the DC Brau 5 yr thing
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1680/26503194065_e0f7999a37_z.jpg)
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cookie monster metal
is that a thing? I bet killsaly knows a lot about it.
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cookie monster metal
is that a thing? I bet killsaly knows a lot about it.
he only does house shows and it gets announce via smoke signals at dusk
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Bob, you really do not know anything about me, but it is nice to know that I am in your thoughts.
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cookie monster metal
is that a thing? I bet killsaly knows a lot about it.
he only does house shows and it gets announce via smoke signals at dusk
huh? that was SideBurnt and Bob72!
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Oops! I apologize. It must have been because you were part of the conversation and I did not pay attention to who was being quoted...
I corrected my post.
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Bob, you really do not know anything about me, but it is nice to know that I am in your thoughts.
not an insult, just a reference to some of the death metal sub-genres you post about, cause I don't get death metal.
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Bob, you really do not know anything about me, but it is nice to know that I am in your thoughts.
not an insult, just a reference to some of the death metal sub-genres you post about, cause I don't get death metal.
killsally is very sensitive.
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Bob, you really do not know anything about me, but it is nice to know that I am in your thoughts.
not an insult, just a reference to some of the death metal sub-genres you post about, cause I don't get death metal.
killsally is very sensitive.
veeery
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Not really.
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Question. What do you guys think about this idea?
My 12 year old wants to walk alone over a half mile to the grocery store and buy a bunch if things using cash.
She has never walked to the grocery store alone. She has never shopped alone. For the past two weeks she has proclaimed "COVID is over." She got this from the internet, not her parents.
Her mom said this was fine and was going to let her go without even asking me. But I got wind of it, and nixed the idea.
Now my daughter is slamming doors, throwing things, and cursing me out.
Is the idea of her going grocery shopping on her own for the first time in the middle of a global pandemic a good idea? Or am I being a bad dad by squashing her independence?
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two issues
1. She is probably going to have to wear a mask, regardless of her opinion of covid.
2. Let her out of the nest. age isn't the factor, it's the maturity/street smarts of the kid. She seems like she's got a lot of Moxy, so she'll probably be fine. Just tell her 'don't go in the van unless they have candy'
You make it sound like 1/2 mile is a big deal
I can't believe she's never gone to a store on her own? Not even when you guys are on vacation?
Although, not you are in a pickle as you said no and your wife said yes
oh and get used to this
Now my daughter is slamming doors, throwing things, and cursing me out.
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two issues
1. She is probably going to have to wear a mask, regardless of her opinion of covid.
2. Let her out of the nest. age isn't the factor, it's the maturity/street smarts of the kid. She seems like she's got a lot of Moxy, so she'll probably be fine. Just tell her 'don't go in the van unless they have candy'
Although, not you are in a pickle as you said no and your wife said yes
This is why you discuss parenting issues as a team rather than trying to be sneaky and letting your kid do it "since he's downstairs and won't notice."
Now my wife is telling me to suck it and fuck off.
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Now my wife is telling me to suck it and fuck off.
I didn't know you were that flexible
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Now my wife is telling me to suck it and fuck off.
I didn't know you were that flexible
There are a million funny replies to that one, but I'll let you be the comedian today!
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I’m with you Space but nobody cares what I think
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So for those of you with kids in school K-12, what are your options next year and what are you planning on doing?
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MCPS is hosting a webinar at 3:30 today on this very topic. My youngest will follow the county program.
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MCPS is hosting a webinar at 3:30 today on this very topic. My youngest will follow the county program.
Fairfax County is giving parents the choice between:
1. Two days full time in school, with two days of canned asynchronous learning and homework time at home.
2. Four days of full time synchronous, online distance learning, with no days in school.
In either scenario, every Monday is a teacher workday.
I imagine MCPS will be simliar?
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MCPS is hosting a webinar at 3:30 today on this very topic. My youngest will follow the county program.
Fairfax County is giving parents the choice between:
1. Two days full time in school, with two days of canned asynchronous learning and homework time at home.
2. Four days of full time synchronous, online distance learning, with no days in school.
In either scenario, every Monday is a teacher workday.
I imagine MCPS will be simliar?
If this approach leads the next generation to put question marks at the ends of sentences, I'll be considering homeschooling.
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MCPS is hosting a webinar at 3:30 today on this very topic. My youngest will follow the county program.
Fairfax County is giving parents the choice between:
1. Two days full time in school, with two days of canned asynchronous learning and homework time at home.
2. Four days of full time synchronous, online distance learning, with no days in school.
In either scenario, every Monday is a teacher workday.
I imagine MCPS will be simliar?
If this approach leads the next generation to put question marks at the ends of sentences, I'll be considering homeschooling.
Haha. I know I will have between 20-25 vacation days i need to burn between September and December. No matter which choice we make, our kid's going to have a parent with a master's degree in education available for many days as a tutor.
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So my kid went over to her best and only friend's house yesterday. It was her first in-person contact with another kid since school crashed in March.
They were hanging out, and my daughter made a disparaging comment abut Trump, and her friend told her that both of her parents voted for Trump in 2016. Apparently the reason was "because he's better for the military." My daughter's position on the military is "I hate the military."
She didn't really want to talk about it much more than that. It actually doesn't surprise me that much, her friend's parents are white and i know their work is somehow connected to Defense stuff. And I'm fine with that, it's not like I'm trying to have a connection with my friend's parents.
So what advice do i give my kid? I think she's pretty disgusted by the parent's action, and by extension is troubled about he friendship.
Fuck living in DC. :If we lived in Colorado or Vermont this wouldn't even be an issue.
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At that age aren't kids just regurgitating what they hear their parents say? I'd encourage her to be accepting of people who have different ideas. A bit too early to get hung up on politics.
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At that age aren't kids just regurgitating what they hear their parents say? I'd encourage her to be accepting of people who have different ideas. A bit too early to get hung up on politics.
Yeah, that's basically the advice I'm going with. Her friend is basically a good kid who has been a good friend, it seems a little young to be making friendship decisions base on such things at such a young age.
I'm not sure it's *always* all about regurgitating what the parents say though. My kid says she's going to get straight A's from now on, so she can become President and institute a system of anarchy in the USA. As far as I know, she's getting her anarchy ideas from the internet and not her parents.
I like that she's found a reason to put some effort into her schoolwork though.
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You know me...always quoting scripture.
some sage advice
Ezekiel 18:20 The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity
Can't blame the kids for crazy parents... But, sometimes reasonable in the other direction
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I do think young kids Initially pick up on what their parents say and treat it like gospel. Takes a while before they even consider whether the political or religious bent of their parents makes sense.
It’s a tough balance. I want to provide some guidance but ultimately I want my kids to think for themselves and make reasoned choices.
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Elie Mystal@ElieNYC
I’m really sick of being a parent today. It has been FOUR MONTHS since anybody other than me and my wife have been responsible for them.
It’s hard. I feel like non-parents have no idea how hard it’s been.
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lol is that a serious tweet? Probably not. No idea who he/she is.
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lol is that a serious tweet? Probably not. No idea who he/she is.
just a random tweet, I think it's serious though and I can personally relate on some level
I think a lot of parents are struggling with the day to day with their family
used to just send your kids to school for the day, they might have sports or other activities afterschool
Used to just send your kids to camp for the day/week
Used to be at work all day while the kids were doing these activities
Now everyone is home all the time. Not like you can say Here's a $20 go see a movie with your friends or even go to a friends house
is a lot of 1st world white people kinda problems I agree...
but I think most parents probably didn't spend more than 20 hours a week in the same room as their kids. now it's 24/7 and you can't tell them to go out and play with their friends
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He’s on SNL
The fat black dude
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He’s on SNL
The fat black dude
I don't think so....
Elie Mystal @ElieNYC
Justice Correspondent: @thenation
Alignment: Neutral Good. Str:12 Dex:8 Con:15 Int:13 Wis:10 Char:14 Class: Paladin. Strong Against: Republicans.
NYCthenation.com/authors/elie-m…Joined May 2009
has a blue check mark and everything
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This guy
https://youtu.be/pskrrfxFM5o
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It’s hard. I feel like non-parents have no idea how hard it’s been.
Yeah, it’s crazy how that worked out. I also don’t know what it’s like to pick up dog shit when walking the dog I didn’t get.
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Sidehatch you are in the wrong place if you are looking for empathy...
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Sidehatch you are in the wrong place if you are looking for empathy...
oh I know...and not really looking for it
but saw that and it struck a cord
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Kind of reminds me of when I posted about my kids hardly getting any schooling and how much it sucked given their circumstances and Sweets famously replied something like “Sorry your teachers suck my kids’ teachers have been awesome!”
Made me feel all warm and fuzzy
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It's been really tough for everybody.
I planned to spend time paying the guitar and learning how to ollie. Haven't done either at this point cause of work. Boo Hoo.
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learning how to ollie.
Caveat Emptor as one old guy can tell ya...
damn ollie put me in surgery and now wearing a cast for next 4 weeks due to a tear of my Achilles tendon
Stretch out and warm up...this covid had me sitting on my ass for 4 months getting almost no exercise
My mind remembered what was needed to do the trick...but my tight assed tendon didn't agree
I can say this the key to a good ollie is being able to slap that tail down as hard as you can and then the second it hits the ground, jumping straight up and letting the front foot do the work to lift the rest of the board up
I will say these 'trainers' I imagine could really help get a feel for the trick with out the fear of the board flying out from under you
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0262/1513/products/Headline_Search_Ad_800_Black_SkaterTrainer_Zoom_In_600x600.jpg?v=1593180427)
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Ugh. Sorry to hear that. I imagine I could end up the same way if I'm not careful. But if I can't get this down, what's the point in having the board anymore?
I do have those trainers.
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I keep getting this ad for the ‘Masterclass’ by Tony hawk
But the way he describes and demonstrates how to do an Ollie is awesome and I think can really help understanding what is required to do one. Honestly balance, strength, and confidence are the first requirements...as well as an acceptance that you ARE going to Have some epic wipeouts. At least you give your friends/kids something to laugh at.
https://www.masterclass.com/classes/tony-hawk-teaches-skateboarding
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Will have to check that out.
I keep telling myself it’s like snowboarding: once I figure it out it’ll be easy. It’s just hard to put it all together.
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I keep telling myself it’s like snowboarding:
they have some similarities but are nothing alike (street skating)
Much easier to be a ok snowboarder
than do a good Ollie
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It’s hard. I feel like non-parents have no idea how hard it’s been.
Yeah, it’s crazy how that worked out. I also don’t know what it’s like to pick up dog shit when walking the dog I didn’t get.
wrong analogy: it's having to take care of a dog which you got under the assumption there would be dog parks, you were allowed to use the sidewalk to walk your dog, that vets were available, that dog food would be sold in stores, etc. - then suddenly learn that all that was taken away, but you still have to take care of the dog.
jules, i get it, stirring the pot makes you feel powerful. have at. but parents did not get into the game knowing they would have a 9-hour shift of office work PLUS a 14+ hours childcare shift they would have to cover. if that was the case, the human race would be extinct.
It’s hard. I feel like non-parents have no idea how hard it’s been.
expecting empathy, or intelligence, from some is a stretch. see above.
another group in a different but unique situation are singles. can you imagine being a 20-something, living on your own working your first job, going out on weekends... then having to hole up by yourself for 4 months? these are the folks who are now spreading the disease, because they can't bear the isolation any more. it's easy to yell at them to stay home but you also have to sympathize with the loneliness they have had to wallow in.
i take it that most folks here have been able to keep their jobs - a blessing upon us all. my deepest sympathies to anyone who isn't working at the moment due to the pandemic. the increased unemployment benefits, if you can get them, aren't going to help you cope with the stress and uncertainty.
recent grads an another group that have it rough. imagine walking out of college with $100K in debt and a 12% unemployment rate?
(in case you're keeping score: jules is neither a parent, nor single, nor lost his job, nor a recent grad. no wonder he can flip a middle finger at everyone else's suffering.)
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I honestly could not imagine how hard it would be to be 18-25 today
this is not the dystopian future I was told about in Blade Runner
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I know 2 recent widows (non-COVID) who are trying to manage on their own. Loneliness and mourning are a tough combination.
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Imagine being old
You are 77 and live alone...but you are a very sociable person...who knows how much time you have left..and you are wasting that time
And Argentina’s government has largely enforced a quarantine so you can’t go out much at all
That’s my mom’s situation
I agree it sucks for everyone though...but old people man they are getting f’ed
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How deflating is it when your kid's teacher introduces themselves and they share that they got their degree from Liberty University?
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How deflating is it when your kid's teacher introduces themselves and they share that they got their degree from Liberty University?
I tried to fight back against my own bias and hired a Liberty grad and it was honestly the worst person I have ever hired. EVER.
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The 60 year old male teacher who said he likes Nicky Minaj scored more points with my kid than the 60 year old male teacher who said his favorite movie was a John Wayne film and his favorite tv show was Cheers.
Pro tip if you're old: Pick a movie and tv show from this century. Preferably even this past decade. If you want to sound relatable.
Another teacher in her 30's had some very milquetoast favorites and said her favorite band was the Beatles. I said "I bet the next one is going to say the Stones are her favorite band."
And sure enough, it was.
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Another teacher in her 30's had some very milquetoast favorites...
*gets excited for the Frank Turner burn to come*
...and said her favorite band was the Beatles.
*is disappointed*
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Another teacher in her 30's had some very milquetoast favorites...
*gets excited for the Frank Turner burn to come*
(https://i.redd.it/5dne7xn8wud31.jpg)
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In her defense, she did say her favorite foods were grilled cheese and pizza, which is probably relatable to kids. Milque and toast, not so much.
And I'm good with the Beatles and Stones. My kid can think her teachers have bad taste just like her dad does.
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Fairfax County Public Schools
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/?fbclid=IwAR3mXktvkXCKWpDeYvkepKu5uwQ7lc2ZEAnhWtPe5cvgcCt723yxzj5uEc0
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Just curious-for those with kids doing virtual learning-what's your policy regarding phone use during class time?
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my guys haven't reached phone age, so can't help you... but i have to imagine the rules should be the same as when they're in class, as in NONE?
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my guys haven't reached phone age, so can't help you... but i have to imagine the rules should be the same as when they're in class, as in NONE?
I would too, but my opinion doesn't matter.
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What's your going rate for report card rewards?
And how much would you pay your kid (who refuses to do any house chores, even for money) to do a daily 25 min workout?
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I feel like you asked this before
ZERO is my going rate
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in a general, 30,000-foot view, i agree with hutch. kids shouldn't need to be motivated this way. or at least it should be a reward, not a fixed and expected salary.
however, everybody's situation is different. i realize that i have several "spoiled child" dynamics going with my kids which, objectively, are ridiculous and shouldn't be something i have to go through regularly (they are also things that i NEVER got away with as a kid, so it drives me insane that they think it's normal). but i deal with it, roll with the established cadence of punches, and tell myself it could be worse.
my guys aren't of report-card-reward-seeking age yet so i have no idea what the going rate is. i'll admit that wanting to be paid for exercise triggered me a little, but then i stepped back and thought of the alternatives: no exercise = health problems = higher costs later. so if you want to be coldly calculating about it, look at the incremental costs of growing up out of shape/obese, determine what fraction of that cost you would otherwise bear, take a discount off that number and then average it out over the period. i know this appears to the economic number-cruncher in you :)
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I feel like you asked this before
ZERO is my going rate
Yeah, I probably did.
My wife is offering $1000 if my kid gets straight A's this year. I'm not sure if that's straight A's every quarter for the entire year, or straight A's among just the final grades.
I think i had straight A's for every class, every quarter except for Shop, Home Ec, and Gym in grades 7 through 11, before slacking a bit as a senior. Surely, I would have been a rich kid if my wife was my parent, assuming gym class didn't count.
And she's paying her $5 for each 25 min workout, so $25/week. I never got paid a dime for six years of football practice, four years of little league, or two years of track practice. :(
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It’s outrageous
Teaching your kid it’s all about the benjamins
Maybe the number one problem in America is the change that began to happen under Reagan and has accelerated where it’s all about making money and nothing else
At least tell your kid you will buy them something they want!
What’s next? Gift cards for Christmas? Or has that already happened
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I mean the grade implications (slightly better grades?) are so much less important than the values you will be instilling!
Do you really think grades or where you go to college matter that much?!?
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This appears to be the going rate.
https://www.countryfinancial.com/en/connect/financial-wellness/whats-an-a-worth.html
I had a system whereby she raked in about $20-$25 per quarter last year. Apparently, I was seriously underpaying.
When I was earning report card money, I was also shoveling cow manure and milking cows after school each day too. ;)
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I mean the grade implications (slightly better grades?) are so much less important than the values you will be instilling!
Do you really think grades or where you go to college matter that much?!?
Does It Matter Where You Go to College?
Research suggests that elite colleges don’t really help rich white guys. But they can have a big effect if you’re not rich, not white, or not a guy.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/
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A question for parents of teens, past and present.
What happens when your teen doesn't want the meal that is being planned/cooked? My theory has always been, as it was growing up, "You eat what the family is having, or you go without (or maybe you eat some fresh fruit as your meal)." That's the way it was growing up for me. The added bonus for my kid (over me as a kid) is that my wife (cooks three nights a week) and I (cook four nights a week) are much better cooks than my mom (seven nights a week) and dad (never) were.
When our daughter was younger, there were some dishes that were a stretch for her taste buds (e.g. a spicy Indian dish) that we didn't expect her to eat, so we substituted other things. Now that she's older, she can handle dishes like that.
Still, at least half the time, kid refuses to eat what is being planned and demands something else. Wife thinks this is fine ("she shouldn't have to eat something she doesn't want.")
Hence, two dinner meals are often cooked. One for the adults and one for the kid. Actually, this happens three times a day...I typically eat cereal for breakfast and a dinner leftover for lunch, while kid refuses to eat cereal or leftovers of any kind and expects a cooked breakfast (or at least a blended smoothie) and a cooked lunch. (And if course i get bitched at by my wife, because my kid refuses to eat anything i offer, so the breakfast and lunch duties fall to her, and that's somehow my fault.)
Is this normal and acceptable at this age?
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I had the made preparing a second meal to my liking at 11, so this seems pretty reasonable to me.
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I had the made preparing a second meal to my liking at 11, so this seems pretty reasonable to me.
Was the maid also your spelling teacher?
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I had the made preparing a second meal to my liking at 11, so this seems pretty reasonable to me.
Was the maid also your spelling teacher?
No, that was the tooter Thomass.
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As a former math teacher, I'm a little bit concerned that the algebra substitute teacher for the rest of the school year is a 21 year old college student with no teaching experience. Oh well, she has a good tutor at home.
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As a former math teacher
Ahhh, I see.
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As a former math teacher, I'm a little bit concerned that the algebra substitute teacher for the rest of the school year is a 21 year old college student with no teaching experience. Oh well, she has a good tutor at home.
If I'm recalling the tale correctly, weren't you also a substitute math teacher in your twenties with little to no teaching experience (at my wife's HS in her senior year, IIRC).
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As a former math teacher, I'm a little bit concerned that the algebra substitute teacher for the rest of the school year is a 21 year old college student with no teaching experience. Oh well, she has a good tutor at home.
If I'm recalling the tale correctly, weren't you also a substitute math teacher in your twenties with little to no teaching experience (at my wife's HS in her senior year, IIRC).
Was this before or after he started throwing bottles at people?
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As a former math teacher, I'm a little bit concerned that the algebra substitute teacher for the rest of the school year is a 21 year old college student with no teaching experience. Oh well, she has a good tutor at home.
If I'm recalling the tale correctly, weren't you also a substitute math teacher in your twenties with little to no teaching experience (at my wife's HS in her senior year, IIRC).
Was this before or after he started throwing bottles at people?
My wife definitely taught him that, so before.
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As a former math teacher, I'm a little bit concerned that the algebra substitute teacher for the rest of the school year is a 21 year old college student with no teaching experience. Oh well, she has a good tutor at home.
If I'm recalling the tale correctly, weren't you also a substitute math teacher in your twenties with little to no teaching experience (at my wife's HS in her senior year, IIRC).
Yes, I subbed before getting a full time teaching job.
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As a former math teacher, I'm a little bit concerned that the algebra substitute teacher for the rest of the school year is a 21 year old college student with no teaching experience. Oh well, she has a good tutor at home.
If I'm recalling the tale correctly, weren't you also a substitute math teacher in your twenties with little to no teaching experience (at my wife's HS in her senior year, IIRC).
Was this before or after he started throwing bottles at people?
I don't recall throwing anything at anybody, but kids threw things at me on a few occasions....not at Julian's wife's school...the kids there were actually pretty good.
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but kids threw things at me on a few occasions....
beleviable
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but kids threw things at me on a few occasions....
beleviable
Can confirm.
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What kind of parent am I that I'm raising a kid who flat out refuses to go for a weekend family trip (5.5 hours each way) to visit her grandmother (who she hasn't seen in 1.5 years) on her grandmother's 80th birthday (and her mom "doesn't want to make her do something she doesn't want to do?")
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The kind who has an abusive and neglectful partner, if I had to draw conclusions from . . . *gestures at the entirety of your family tales*
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The kind who has an abusive and neglectful partner, if I had to draw conclusions from . . . *gestures at the entirety of your family tales*
Is it my partner's fault if she herself says she's willing to go "out of a sense of wanting me to be happy?" I mean, it's 90% her fault the kid is so spoiled, but isn't the blame to be laid in the kid in this instance?
I mean, how much can you do to "make" your kid do something that isn't in their own selfish best interest?
That said, when i was a kid, there was not question on something like this. You did as your parents said, and you shut up about it.
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Option 1: Tell your partner to fuck off and go by yourself for the weekend (assuming this is your mother you're referring to)
Option 2: Tell your partner to fuck off, stuff her and your daughter in the prius and hit the road.
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Option 1: Tell your partner to fuck off and go by yourself for the weekend (assuming this is your mother you're referring to)
Option 2: Tell your partner to fuck off, stuff her and your daughter in the prius and hit the road.
It is my mother. My partner has no issue with going. Her issue is with "making" my daughter go.
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My wife also breast fed the kid until she was 3, wiped her ass until she was 10, and gives her the option to have a separate meal cooked for her if she doesn't like what the family is having (she's nearly 14.)
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Is it my partner's fault if she herself says she's willing to go "out of a sense of wanting me to be happy?" I mean, it's 90% her fault the kid is so spoiled, but isn't the blame to be laid in the kid in this instance? As kids get older, more of the blame slides off the parent onto the aging child but what particular percentage you put on each in this case, IDK.
I mean, how much can you do to "make" your kid do something that isn't in their own selfish best interest? I think you definitely have to do some. Part of living in a society is doing things not immediately in your own self interest. Part of functioning in the workforce is doing things you do not want to do. I am a huge advocate of children's rights and think we will soon be in a society that looks back on a time where we remove agency from 17 year olds under the guise they're "minors" as monstrous, but the idea a kid needs to go see their grandparent annually on their birthday is such a small ask.
That said, when i was a kid, there was not question on something like this. You did as your parents said, and you shut up about it. I think that's too far. There needs to be some balance.
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wiped her ass until she was 10
Wait. What?
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That said, when i was a kid, there was not question on something like this. You did as your parents said, and you shut up about it. I think that's too far. There needs to be some balance.
I didn't mean to imply that I agreed with that philosophy, just that it's hard dealing with a situation where the pendulum is in this case so much different than than what i grew up with. I agree with the need for balance.
In fairness (to my daughter), my mom is not someone who has done a great job of reaching out to her grandchild. She's one of those old people who is kind of in her own little world. There's probably reasons for that and i can understand, but it might be something a teen doesn't care to grasp. That said, I think we, as the enlightened, educated, responsible ones, should reach out to grandma on her birthday.
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Sounds like maybe you guys have spent way too much time with each other over the past year (I'd say this is common in most families) and you could use a little break.
I say leave the wet blankets at home and go on a solo space mission to upstate NY and stop at Suarez on the way.
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Sounds like maybe you guys have spent way too much time with each other over the past year (I'd say this is common in most families) and you could use a little break.
I say leave the wet blankets at home and go on a solo space mission to upstate NY and stop at Suarez on the way.
Yes, probably too much time together.
However, I have visited twice solo already (my brother lives near my mom, and he's the one we actually stay with.) during the pandemic. They refused to go both of those times, though honestly I was relieved to go by myself. This would be the third straight trip alone. It would be more fun for sure, but I feel like I owe it to my mom to do something nice for her.
Suarez isn't on the way to Ithaca, but there are some decent beer stops if I'm in the mood.
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talk about parenting issues...
https://nypost.com/2021/04/06/some-of-dmxs-15-kids-among-hospital-visitors-with-dad-in-icu/
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That said, when i was a kid, there was not question on something like this. You did as your parents said, and you shut up about it. I think that's too far. There needs to be some balance.
I think you can have "balance" and still insist that her attendance is non-negotiable for certain events. It's game for discussion, but 100% happening.
I also hope the wiping-the-ass thing isn't exactly true.
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Seeing the grandparents was always potentially uncomfortable but your parents just made you do it.. I hated seeing my grandfather when I was 8-9 but the next year he was dead so now am glad
Edited out
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it’s been a tough year for everybody..everyone is going through shit so don’t be too hard on yourself and just push forward best you can
I wish my dad cared about seeing his grandkids at all
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it’s been a tough year for everybody..everyone is going through shit so don’t be too hard on yourself and just push forward best you can
I wish my dad cared about seeing his grandkids at all
What is it about that generation? None of my daughter's three grandparents seem to care about seeing their grandkid. My mom (New York State) is turning 80, has had some (diagnosed) cognitive dissonance for a while, and is of limited financial means, so I can sort of understand. Though she never even asks about her granddaughter on the phone with me. My in-laws (Indiana) just turned 70, in perfect health and financially comfortable, haven't visited in 10+ years.
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it’s been a tough year for everybody..everyone is going through shit so don’t be too hard on yourself and just push forward best you can
I wish my dad cared about seeing his grandkids at all
What is it about that generation? None of my daughter's three grandparents seem to care about seeing their grandkid. My mom (New York State) is turning 80, has had some (diagnosed) cognitive dissonance for a while, and is of limited financial means, so I can sort of understand. Though she never even asks about her granddaughter on the phone with me. My in-laws (Indiana) just turned 70, in perfect health and financially comfortable, haven't visited in 10+ years.
without going full psychologist on you, I'm guessing there is probably some deep seeded issues between daughter/parents and son/mom as well... If you had a good relationship with your parents, they'd probably care about your kids?
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it’s been a tough year for everybody..everyone is going through shit so don’t be too hard on yourself and just push forward best you can
I wish my dad cared about seeing his grandkids at all
What is it about that generation? None of my daughter's three grandparents seem to care about seeing their grandkid. My mom (New York State) is turning 80, has had some (diagnosed) cognitive dissonance for a while, and is of limited financial means, so I can sort of understand. Though she never even asks about her granddaughter on the phone with me. My in-laws (Indiana) just turned 70, in perfect health and financially comfortable, haven't visited in 10+ years.
without going full psychologist on you, I'm guessing there is probably some deep seeded issues between daughter/parents and son/mom as well... If you had a good relationship with your parents, they'd probably care about your kids?
My mom has always been a little squirrely since joining a religious fellowship group back when i was a teenager. I'll be nice and not use the c word. Since then, her allegiance has always skewed toward her fellowship group over her actual family. That said, we had a good family relationship growing up. My dad died 25 years ago, and i feel like that kind of fucked my mom up a bit. I tried to reach out, and took her on trips to Italy and Paris, and visited dutifully a couple times a year and phone her weekly.
I feel like maybe she doesn't relate and thus feels the need to keep a distance? She's not college educated, big Trump supporter, full of conspiracy theory nonsense (always has been, but more so in the last few years), anti-vaccine, small town country person who won't drive here because she's "afraid to drive on the Beltway", worried about having her "freedoms" taken away, religious in a weird non-traditional way, etc. etc.) And um, that's not me. So we don't connect on any level of deepness.
I dunno, some people just aren't kid people either, even if it's her own grandkid. (My brother had no desire to ever have kids.)
My wife has her own issues with over-religious, conservative parents as well, but she never claimed to have a good relationship with *her* parents, she only wishes she did.
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What is it about that generation? None of my daughter's three grandparents seem to care about seeing their grandkid.
dunno if a generational thing, likely more about individual personalities. on my end, i can't keep the grandparents away from my kids.
regarding your rebellious, non-conforming child: don't beat yourself up about it. every kids is awesome in some ways, and sucks in others. at times i get angry/depressed/etc. about some of the less-than-perfect discipline our little guys have. as i suspect with is the case with you Space, it really gets my goat when i see my kids doing or getting away with something that i could never do as a kid. then i remember how much i resented those rules, and how they probably didn't contribute to me becoming a better person, and try to be zen about it. sometimes i'm successful.
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Interesting conversation. I guess I'm kind of old school in the sense that I'm more in the "as long as youre living under my roof on my dime" if I want you to go visit the grandparents, you're gonna damn well visit the grandparents.* That being said everyones circumstances are different and my kids were gifted with amazing grandparents, who, in the case of my wife's parents, literally raised them with us (they provided free childcare).
*I'm not like that w every decision, but family is pretty important to myself and my wife
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Is it my partner's fault if she herself says she's willing to go "out of a sense of wanting me to be happy?" I mean, it's 90% her fault the kid is so spoiled, but isn't the blame to be laid in the kid in this instance? As kids get older, more of the blame slides off the parent onto the aging child but what particular percentage you put on each in this case, IDK.
I mean, how much can you do to "make" your kid do something that isn't in their own selfish best interest? I think you definitely have to do some. Part of living in a society is doing things not immediately in your own self interest. Part of functioning in the workforce is doing things you do not want to do. I am a huge advocate of children's rights and think we will soon be in a society that looks back on a time where we remove agency from 17 year olds under the guise they're "minors" as monstrous, but the idea a kid needs to go see their grandparent annually on their birthday is such a small ask.
That said, when i was a kid, there was not question on something like this. You did as your parents said, and you shut up about it. I think that's too far. There needs to be some balance.
Thanks to all for the conversation. Julian, if we ever meet, I owe you a beer. I used a couple of your lines within a a longer email to my wife. She agreed 100% with the email, and the next thing I knew, they were all in agreement that they would be going for the visit. Though I know my kid isn't entirely happy about it. At least she's happy that there's cake and and ice cream and maybe donuts involved.
That said, Yada is probably right that I would be better off going solo. :)
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Is it my partner's fault if she herself says she's willing to go "out of a sense of wanting me to be happy?" I mean, it's 90% her fault the kid is so spoiled, but isn't the blame to be laid in the kid in this instance? As kids get older, more of the blame slides off the parent onto the aging child but what particular percentage you put on each in this case, IDK.
I mean, how much can you do to "make" your kid do something that isn't in their own selfish best interest? I think you definitely have to do some. Part of living in a society is doing things not immediately in your own self interest. Part of functioning in the workforce is doing things you do not want to do. I am a huge advocate of children's rights and think we will soon be in a society that looks back on a time where we remove agency from 17 year olds under the guise they're "minors" as monstrous, but the idea a kid needs to go see their grandparent annually on their birthday is such a small ask.
That said, when i was a kid, there was not question on something like this. You did as your parents said, and you shut up about it. I think that's too far. There needs to be some balance.
Thanks to all for the conversation. Julian, if we ever meet, I owe you a beer. I used a couple of your lines within a a longer email to my wife. She agreed 100% with the email, and the next thing I knew, they were all in agreement that they would be going for the visit. Though I know my kid isn't entirely happy about it. At least she's happy that there's cake and and ice cream and maybe donuts involved.
That said, Yada is probably right that I would be better off going solo. :)
So... you guys are both at home within a pretty close proximity and you sent her an email to discuss this topic?
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So judgy
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Is it my partner's fault if she herself says she's willing to go "out of a sense of wanting me to be happy?" I mean, it's 90% her fault the kid is so spoiled, but isn't the blame to be laid in the kid in this instance? As kids get older, more of the blame slides off the parent onto the aging child but what particular percentage you put on each in this case, IDK.
I mean, how much can you do to "make" your kid do something that isn't in their own selfish best interest? I think you definitely have to do some. Part of living in a society is doing things not immediately in your own self interest. Part of functioning in the workforce is doing things you do not want to do. I am a huge advocate of children's rights and think we will soon be in a society that looks back on a time where we remove agency from 17 year olds under the guise they're "minors" as monstrous, but the idea a kid needs to go see their grandparent annually on their birthday is such a small ask.
That said, when i was a kid, there was not question on something like this. You did as your parents said, and you shut up about it. I think that's too far. There needs to be some balance.
Thanks to all for the conversation. Julian, if we ever meet, I owe you a beer. I used a couple of your lines within a a longer email to my wife. She agreed 100% with the email, and the next thing I knew, they were all in agreement that they would be going for the visit. Though I know my kid isn't entirely happy about it. At least she's happy that there's cake and and ice cream and maybe donuts involved.
That said, Yada is probably right that I would be better off going solo. :)
So... you guys are both at home within a pretty close proximity and you sent her an email to discuss this topic?
She has a serious job and can't be interrupted during her workday. Which sometimes is all day and night.
I have a fake job and post on internet forums all day.
Words above not necessarily mine, nor not necessarily my own thoughts. Perhaps I overdramatize.
Also, I tend to better express myself in writing than I do in person...in spite of my sometimes nonsensical ranting on this forum. Emails sometimes get the job done better face to face, when they are actually read.
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I used a couple of your lines within a a longer email to my wife. She agreed 100% with the email, and the next thing I knew, they were all in agreement that they would be going for the visit.
Well, this is unexpected.
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So judgy
How am I judging?? He's asking for insight into his life problems, my suggestion is talking and not writing emails. But Space already explained his reasoning above.
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My wife and I are totally fans of "occasionally you need to just put it down in writing so the other person can read and process it at their own speed and not feel on the spot to respond instantly when their fight or flight modality may be engaged". This obviously cannot be most discussions but used in the right spot, the email method can be gold.
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My wife and I are totally fans of "occasionally you need to just put it down in writing so the other person can read and process it at their own speed and not feel on the spot to respond instantly when their fight or flight modality may be engaged". This obviously cannot be most discussions but used in the right spot, the email method can be gold.
This, too. And sometimes, not all the time. Previous face to face chats on this topic had not netted good results, only building tensions
Also, our kid is around us 24/7 these days or at least it seems, and it's hard not to have a conversation without her overhearing and often inserting herself into it. Email is a way around that.
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My wife and I are totally fans of "occasionally you need to just put it down in writing so the other person can read and process it at their own speed and not feel on the spot to respond instantly when their fight or flight modality may be engaged". This obviously cannot be most discussions but used in the right spot, the email method can be gold.
I 100% agree. The nice thing about an email is you can get out a complete thought without the person interrupting/sidetracking/focusing on a missed button
Doesn't always mean the message is well received...
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My wife and I are totally fans of "occasionally you need to just put it down in writing so the other person can read and process it at their own speed and not feel on the spot to respond instantly when their fight or flight modality may be engaged". This obviously cannot be most discussions but used in the right spot, the email method can be gold.
I 100% agree. The nice thing about an email is you can get out a complete thought without the person interrupting/sidetracking/focusing on a missed button
Doesn't always mean the message is well received...
Over here at challengehouse we text one another TikTok videos as our primary means of communication, and also for the recipes.
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My wife and I are totally fans of "occasionally you need to just put it down in writing so the other person can read and process it at their own speed and not feel on the spot to respond instantly when their fight or flight modality may be engaged". This obviously cannot be most discussions but used in the right spot, the email method can be gold.
I 100% agree. The nice thing about an email is you can get out a complete thought without the person interrupting/sidetracking/focusing on a missed button
Doesn't always mean the message is well received...
Over here at challengehouse we text one another TikTok videos as our primary means of communication, and also for the recipes.
Please don't tell me your partner is a teenager, Matt!
Like cute videos that you make of yourself singing and dancing and being seductive, or tik tok videos of other people.?
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Should I feel bad that reading this thread makes me feel pretty good about my life?
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Should I feel bad that reading this thread makes me feel pretty good about my life?
Absolutely not, the point of this forum is to belittle others and in general make yourself feel better about your life decisions.
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Should I feel bad that reading this thread makes me feel pretty good about my life?
Absolutely not, the point of this forum is to belittle others and in general make yourself feel better about your life decisions.
can confirm
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Thanks. That is reassuring!
Should I feel bad that reading this thread makes me feel pretty good about my life?
Absolutely not, the point of this forum is to belittle others and in general make yourself feel better about your life decisions.
can confirm
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Well to put a cap on the story, my daughter was delighted to find out she won't be visiting her grandmother on her birthday after all.
My brother was the one who was going to host us (my mom doesn't have the room, and is anti-vax, anti-mask anyway). It turns out some of his in-laws visited on Saturday, stood around talking in the kitchen for three hours (with my anti-vax sister in law, while my once vaxxed brother went upstairs and opened a window), and two of the kids tested positive yesterday. One has a high fever and the shits.
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One has . . . the shits.
Playing the hits!
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A cautionary tale...
Some kids do get VERY ill with long lasting consequences
Still it’s definitely hard doing the right thing
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A cautionary tale...
Some kids do get VERY ill with long lasting consequences
Still it’s definitely hard doing the right thing
Show us the data Hutch!
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You want to call up my cousin and talk to him about his kid getting covid and the hell they been through?
:(
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Caveat: I have no idea how old these "kids" are.
My sister in law is 51. The people she visited with were her "aunt, niece, and nephew from NYC." I assume the niece and nephew are kids but i really have no idea.
But now I'm interested, and asked my brother.
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At 23, Jayson Tatum is no longer a kid, but COVID has him still using an inhaler before and after games three months later. He did score 53 the other day, so the inhaler appears to be working.
https://people.com/sports/nba-star-jayson-tatum-uses-inhaler-before-and-after-games-following-covid-19/
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A cautionary tale...
Some kids do get VERY ill with long lasting consequences
Still it’s definitely hard doing the right thing
The "niece and the nephew" are actually cousins who are in their 30's who still live at home with their mom, the aunt.
So much for the cautionary tale.
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Well my distant cousin’s kid is 11 or 12... hospitalized..now home and dealing with long Covid19... “nightmare” is the mother’s description for what they have gone through
Is it usual? No. But it happens...
I got enough problems with my kids without Covid19...
I see kids from the middle school hanging out at our local shops area after school..it’s a shitshow..all the kids crowded together doing kids things..sharing stuff on their phones.. sharing candy..masks around their necks or in their hands..
Having said all this we may be sending our 8 year old back to the elementary school for the little that remains
It’s all about balance
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So I need some advice
Walked in on my 11 year old and they were enjoying Insane Clown Posse
I don't know what to do, I feel like I did everything I was supposed to and provided a nurturing home that loves and appreciates art
but yet, here we are.
I've already rewritten the will, but wondering if there was something more drastic that would help here
are there ICP conversion therapy camps?
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I think this is one of those scenarios where if you catch your kid smoking you make them smoke the whole pack and get sick. In other words, you gotta take your kid to Gathering of the Juggalos.
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Damn…
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Serious question: why do you get to define “art”?
I have been in your shoes. I believed it was my role to open doors but allow them to explore. And be themselves. We talked about - and I sometimes questioned - the stuff they liked that I thought was off balance, for lack of a better term. But, then, I reminded myself that there is shit I listen to that most people will never appreciate. And I DGAF.
I’d talk to them about it and I’d give it a listen. it’s probably just a phase. But how you react to it is important.
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Get an ICP tattoo. It will suddenly be the least cool thing on the planet.
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Get an ICP tattoo. It will suddenly be the least cool thing on the planet.
Now you are thinking!
Let's be clear bordies, I'm joking about actually doing something
my parents absolutely hated the music I listened to and bought me headphones instead of banning it
I do struggle with being a music snob and being judgy on my kids decisions
my oldest is recptive to music I suggest and I often send spotify mixes
the yougest gets outright mad when I try to suggest songs, especially when I hear a band they like has a new album...that really annoys them for some reason
TikTok with all its annoyances has really turned them on to a lot of music
they are now like songs by blondie, artic monkeys and dolly parton
my kids turned me on to bands like beach bunny, girl in red, tones and I, billie Elish and some others
I've turned them on to Lana, Lucy and Julien Baker
I did find this funny article about bringing kids to a gathering of jugalos
https://mom.com/baby/21667-families-gathering-juggalos
this line cracked me up and could see space's kid doing this
Another dad that I spoke to spoke of Juggalo culture and his embrace of Insane Clown Posse in spiritual terms. He was there with his adorable but uncomfortable looking daughter, who was carrying a sign asking for donations for her college fund.
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My 14 year old is home all summer. No classes, no camps, no job, no responsibilities.
I am also home all summer, working 8-9 hours per day, doing a long dogwalk after work, and cooking dinner four nights a week.
Is it too much to ask my kid to wash her own dishes and clean up her messes she makes when she makes herself breakfast or lunch?
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My 14 year old is home all summer. No classes, no camps, no job, no responsibilities.
I am also home all summer, working 8-9 hours per day, doing a long dogwalk after work, and cooking dinner four nights a week.
Is it too much to ask my kid to wash her own dishes and clean up her messes she makes when she makes herself breakfast or lunch?
No, but you should also encourage/force your child to do some activities or sign her up for things
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yes, at 14 she can clean her own dishes. personally i think she should be doing a little more, but that's up to you.
and +1 for getting her involved in something. it'll be beneficial for both her and her parents. she likes art, doesn't she? sign her up for a drawing camp, a sculpting school, a weekly pottery workshop... something.
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I did notice those who don't actually have teen agers have responded....let's touch base when you have one ;)
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I did notice those who don't actually have teen agers have responded....let's touch base when you have one ;)
I may be jumping to some conclusions but based on much evidence posted on this here forum over the past 17 years, I suspect Space and I may parent quite differently...
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I did notice those who don't actually have teen agers have responded....let's touch base when you have one ;)
I may be jumping to some conclusions but based on much evidence posted on this here forum over the past 17 years, I suspect Space and I may parent quite differently...
true, but the way you parent kids under 7 is quite different to teens...trust me
you can lead them to water, but you can't make them drink...no matter how much you want to or think it would be 'good for them'
these phones and constant access is quite the parental dilemma that past experience has no impact
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I did notice those who don't actually have teen agers have responded....let's touch base when you have one ;)
I may be jumping to some conclusions but based on much evidence posted on this here forum over the past 17 years, I suspect Space and I may parent quite differently...
true, but the way you parent kids under 7 is quite different to teens...trust me
you can lead them to water, but you can't make them drink...no matter how much you want to or think it would be 'good for them'
these phones and constant access is quite the parental dilemma that past experience has no impact
My fear is Space's child has not interacted with another human other than him and his wife in the past 16 months and prolonging that will do no one any good.
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Yeah, it's a little late to sign up for activities now. We're three weeks into the summer and have three weeks of travel upcoming (two separate trips.) It was kind of hard planning for summer activities when we didn't know what the vaccine situation was going to be.
We did sign up for a pool membership, and chose the farther away of the two pools, necessitating a bike ride to get for her to get to the pool.
This is a kid who is so lazy, she was lamenting to me poolside yesterday what a pain clothes are "First you have to pick them out, then you have to put them on, it's sooooo much work."
She did a acquire a Bob's Burger's cookbook. So she has decided to eat her own burgers for dinner every day, instead of eating the meal dad is cooking.
I told her that's fine, but she needs to clean up her dishes and messes (she tend to leave everything strewn across counters and stovetops, with spills and dirty dishes galore.) But my wife insists (to the point of yelling at me)that she (daughter) shouldn't have to do her dishes, it's my responsibility since I'm in charge of preparing the meal.
I mean, sure, I might do her dishes for her if she were in school and had homework to get to. Or had camp. Or did a sport and had double practices going on. Or did other chores. Or read a fucking book ("I don't want to read a book, I read articles on my phone.") Or did anything other than sit on the fucking couch watching cartoons and making sugar concoctions all day, every single day (*except on weekends when she makes her mom take her to the mall to buy her crap, or to the boba shop to get boba, or to dunkin donuts or starbucks for sugar covered coffee.)
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I did notice those who don't actually have teen agers have responded....let's touch base when you have one ;)
I may be jumping to some conclusions but based on much evidence posted on this here forum over the past 17 years, I suspect Space and I may parent quite differently...
I'm not part of a family where I'm really allowed much input as a parent. My job is to back my wife up. At least that's what I'm told.
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My fear is Space's child has not interacted with another human other than him and his wife in the past 16 months and prolonging that will do no one any good.
I've been secretly opening my own publishing house so they day she turns 18, I can get one of my ghost-writers to get her memoirs to market.
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I did notice those who don't actually have teen agers have responded....let's touch base when you have one ;)
I may be jumping to some conclusions but based on much evidence posted on this here forum over the past 17 years, I suspect Space and I may parent quite differently...
true, but the way you parent kids under 7 is quite different to teens...trust me
you can lead them to water, but you can't make them drink...no matter how much you want to or think it would be 'good for them'
these phones and constant access is quite the parental dilemma that past experience has no impact
My fear is Space's child has not interacted with another human other than him and his wife in the past 16 months and prolonging that will do no one any good.
Except for a couple of playdates with one friend, this is essentially true. Not because of any restrictions we put on her, but simply because she had so few friends before the pandemic.
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My fear is Space's child has not interacted with another human other than him and his wife in the past 16 months and prolonging that will do no one any good.
I've been secretly opening my own publishing house so they day she turns 18, I can get one of my ghost-writers to get her memoirs to market.
:D :D :D
I did notice those who don't actually have teen agers have responded....let's touch base when you have one ;)
I may be jumping to some conclusions but based on much evidence posted on this here forum over the past 17 years, I suspect Space and I may parent quite differently...
true, but the way you parent kids under 7 is quite different to teens...trust me
you can lead them to water, but you can't make them drink...no matter how much you want to or think it would be 'good for them'
these phones and constant access is quite the parental dilemma that past experience has no impact
My fear is Space's child has not interacted with another human other than him and his wife in the past 16 months and prolonging that will do no one any good.
Except for a couple of playdates with one friend, this is essentially true. Not because of any restrictions we put on her, but simply because she had so few friends before the pandemic.
:'( :'( Further evidence she should be involved in something... band, art, sports (doesn't sound likely), gaming club, whatever.
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trust me idle time is the devil's playground with teens....so it's really good to tap into what they like and get options available
that can be a tough nut to crack with mopey, ornery teens
sometimes $$ helps
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trust me idle time is the devil's playground with teens....so it's really good to tap into what they like and get options available
that can be a tough nut to crack with mopey, ornery teens
sometimes $$ helps
Thanks for that advice. Don't disagree with any of it. She did just pocket $1000 for getting straight A's on each of her quarterly report cards. That said, how do I get her to wash the extra dishes she dirties, especially when her mother says she shouldn't have to wash them?
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trust me idle time is the devil's playground with teens....so it's really good to tap into what they like and get options available
that can be a tough nut to crack with mopey, ornery teens
sometimes $$ helps
Thanks for that advice. Don't disagree with any of it. She did just pocket $1000 for getting straight A's on each of her quarterly report cards. That said, how do I get her to wash the extra dishes she dirties, especially when her mother says she shouldn't have to wash them?
parents gotta sing from the same song sheet when it comes to chores/discipline
I'm struggling with it too, as I'm happy the kids are making their own food, but ends up being more work for me
I will say getting straight As durring the pandemic was a lot easier than most years
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trust me idle time is the devil's playground with teens....so it's really good to tap into what they like and get options available
that can be a tough nut to crack with mopey, ornery teens
sometimes $$ helps
Thanks for that advice. Don't disagree with any of it. She did just pocket $1000 for getting straight A's on each of her quarterly report cards. That said, how do I get her to wash the extra dishes she dirties, especially when her mother says she shouldn't have to wash them?
Jesus titty! Last thing I would ever expect.
A grand for getting srtaight A's??? Get her in some dorky smart club then!
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trust me idle time is the devil's playground with teens....so it's really good to tap into what they like and get options available
that can be a tough nut to crack with mopey, ornery teens
sometimes $$ helps
Thanks for that advice. Don't disagree with any of it. She did just pocket $1000 for getting straight A's on each of her quarterly report cards. That said, how do I get her to wash the extra dishes she dirties, especially when her mother says she shouldn't have to wash them?
Jesus titty! Last thing I would ever expect.
A grand for getting srtaight A's??? Get her in some dorky smart club then!
I try to encourage her to go in that direction, in terms of school clubs and pursuing friendships. She hates nerds and people who try hard at anything.
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therapy.
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for the teen?
although putting Troublegum on real loud usually cure's a case of the monday's
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for the teen?
although putting Troublegum on real loud usually cure's a case of the monday's
For the whole spacefam. This doesn't appear that it's going to improve on its own.
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Doesn't anybody else have parenting issues to share?
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Doesn't anybody else have parenting issues to share?
My children I feel are too old for me to wipe their asses but they still ask me to, daily.
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word is you are really good at wiping asses, so I can see why they want you to keep doing it
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word is you are really good at wiping asses, so I can see why they want you to keep doing it
Dude, when we were all calling Yada an asswipe, I think you misunderstood what we were trying to say. This is just going to be awkward now.
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Dude if I started sharing my parenting issues…..
Be thankful I don’t…
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Dude if I started sharing my parenting issues…..
Be thankful I don’t…
That's the thing... I think ole Space, god lovem' is just willing to go where most people aren't in terms of their personal woes.
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Dude if I started sharing my parenting issues…..
Be thankful I don’t…
That's the thing... I think ole Space, god lovem' is just willing to go where most people aren't in terms of their personal woes.
I don't even say the things space says in my own head...
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Yeah, the things we've been through...that's just not party conversation.
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Both of my girls (one in college, one just out) were swimmers and kept busy with our neighborhood summer swim team. The older one is now the head coach and the younger one swims for Delaware. It was a great experience - social activities, competition etc. They both worked as lifeguards as well. I'm sure those years weren't as rosy as I remember, but glad I didn't face Space-like dilemmas on the reg.
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Both my kids at summer school - hey we are not raising rocket scientists here- and out of the house finally after sixteen months!! Hallelujah praise Jesus almost enough to make me believe
You wanted issues, i got them
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wait, what was the issue? seems like more of a 'good news' post
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wait, what was the issue? seems like more of a 'good news' post
I agree...
Personally, I've been eagerly awaiting a family meltdown post from Big Sur from Space... No way multiple days into the vacation his wife hasn't hit him with a stick or his daughter thrown her sugar infused gelato at him yet.
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Personally, I've been eagerly awaiting a family meltdown post from Big Sur from Space... No way multiple days into the vacation his wife hasn't hit him with a stick or his daughter thrown her sugar infused gelato at him yet.
they're in Yosemite, not BS. FB reports that his wife is feeling out of shape after a long day of hiking... foreshadowing a potential marital rough patch? tune in to "The Beer Thread" to find out!
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Is "Get the fuck out of here you fat whore." ever a good thing to say to your kid, especially when you yourself are pushing 200?
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Is "Get the fuck out of here you fat whore." ever a good thing to say to your kid, especially when you yourself are pushing 200?
Its really sad that Celeste has mentally abused you to the point where you think you’re her child. :'( :'(
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Is "Get the fuck out of here you fat whore." ever a good thing to say to your kid, especially when you yourself are pushing 200?
Its really sad that Celeste has mentally abused you to the point where you think you’re her child. :'( :'(
Nah, that's what she called my kid. She called me a "fucking little pussy." Free entertainment for the neighbors!
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Alrighty then.
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Tell her to lay off the hazies if she's pushing 200lbs.
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Tell her to lay off the hazies if she's pushing 200lbs.
At least she can get a Tammy Craps doll without having to put rocks in her pocket.
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Geezus Yada you trying to get a man killed?
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I think Space is here to make everyone feel better about their family situations.
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I think Space is here to make everyone feel better about their family situations.
i am happy for you that you have no major family problems!
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Dude is frickin Gandhi…
Someone nominate him for Nobel
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Never said I had no problems, just meant that when I hear yours, it helps me put things in perspective.
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Yea my family has it’s problems but we draw the line at calling our kids fat whores! YMMHNV
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Yea my family has it’s problems but we draw the line at calling our kids fat whores! YMMHNV
Your Mother May Have No Vagina?!
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Your Mileage May Hopefully Not Vary
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Yea my family has it’s problems but we draw the line at calling our kids fat whores! YMMHNV
My kid called me a "fucking psychopath" because I eat my oatmeal without dumping sugar on it, so lots of exaggerated name calling going on around here. :)
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I am cool with psychopath…calling a kid fat whore is sort of a red line for me but YMMHNV
Lots of yelling here… my kids are driving me nuts…by night time they have worn me out
The one on the autism spectrum is going through a phase where he is fixated on sports trivia- particularly pertaining to the history of franchises- and he just throws this random facts at me all day nonstop..it’s cool for 30 minutes.. I need to find him something new to fixate on - a new affinity- before I throttle him
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Yeah, I don't call my kid names like that.
I should say that my wife busts her balls for my kid and is often and usually a much better parent than me. Only occasionally she is a much worse parent than me. Nasty name calling a case on point. I should probably list all the good things she does too. I'm an even keel person, she swings wildly. Opposites attract, but sometimes that makes it hard. Also, my spoiled, immature only child is not easy to deal with. She gets lots of trying traits from each of her parents. :)
I don't envy your autism situation and admire you for adapting and living and loving. That's what it's all about.
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My daughter just asked he mom, "Only gay men like balls, right?"
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My daughter just asked he mom, "Only gay men like balls, right?"
He-mom.
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My daughter just asked he mom, "Only gay men like balls, right?"
He-mom.
Edit "her mom."
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I was wndering why the house suddenly seems cold on a 67 degree day...and I noticed my kid put the AC on 70 (we normally run it at 76 during the day. ) Yeesh.
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76?!? I am fighting for 72 but the lower ac was set at 68 this morning
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Us childless, unencumbered by finances couples never go above 70.
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Us childless, unencumbered by finances couples never go above 70.
AC is cheap it's effect on the environment is not.
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Us childless, unencumbered by finances couples never go above 70.
AC is cheap it's effect on the environment is not.
I just said I'm childless. As long as the planet fails to turn into a smoldering wasteland until 6 months after my wife and I die, I'm pretty unaffected by the consequences.
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What's air conditioning?
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Us childless, unencumbered by finances couples never go above 70.
AC is cheap it's effect on the environment is not.
that argument is hogwash.
people who live in cold environments send WAAAY more pollutants into the air than AC units and their electrical draw
takes much more effort to heat from 25 to 68 than to cool from 95 to 72
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What's air conditioning?
I miss san Francisco
So when was the last drop of rain?
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I hate ac but if it’s real hot you need it
When I feel it hitting my body it literally feels like it’s making me ill
Even typing this is bringing bad feelings
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I missed this thread
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Us childless, unencumbered by finances couples never go above 70.
AC is cheap it's effect on the environment is not.
that argument is hogwash.
people who live in cold environments send WAAAY more pollutants into the air than AC units and their electrical draw
takes much more effort to heat from 25 to 68 than to cool from 95 to 72
Well the boss of my house insists on keeping multiple windows of the house open, "for the fresh air," even when it's 95 out and the AC is on. So my AC system is working as hard to bring my house down to 76 (74 at night) as yours is to bring it down to 72.
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people who live in cold environments send WAAAY more pollutants into the air than AC units and their electrical draw
where are you getting your information?
why are there brownouts or blackouts in the summer, but none during cold snaps in the winter? because A/C draws more power. and not everyone has A/C, but everyone has heating.
takes much more effort to heat from 25 to 68 than to cool from 95 to 72
no shit sherlock:
68 - 25 = 43 degree differential
95 - 72 = 23 degree differential
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people who live in cold environments send WAAAY more pollutants into the air than AC units and their electrical draw
where are you getting your information?
why are there brownouts or blackouts in the summer, but none during cold snaps in the winter?
Texas' ghetto ass powergrid would like a word.
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people who live in cold environments send WAAAY more pollutants into the air than AC units and their electrical draw
where are you getting your information?
Analyses of home-energy use reveal that we use more energy to heat our homes (41.7 million BTUs per year, on average, at a cost of $631) than to cool them (7.8 million BTUs, at $276).
homeowners in cold states like Minnesota were putting out 20 to 25 percent more carbon dioxide through the use of their heaters than were the A/C-happy folks in Florida.
Source (https://slate.com/technology/2012/08/air-conditioning-haters-its-not-as-bad-for-the-environment-as-heating.html)
and not everyone has A/C, but everyone has heating.
Eighty-seven percent of American homes now have air conditioners, up from 68 percent in 1993,
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people who live in cold environments send WAAAY more pollutants into the air than AC units and their electrical draw
where are you getting your information?
Analyses of home-energy use reveal that we use more energy to heat our homes (41.7 million BTUs per year, on average, at a cost of $631) than to cool them (7.8 million BTUs, at $276).
homeowners in cold states like Minnesota were putting out 20 to 25 percent more carbon dioxide through the use of their heaters than were the A/C-happy folks in Florida.
Source (https://slate.com/technology/2012/08/air-conditioning-haters-its-not-as-bad-for-the-environment-as-heating.html)
and not everyone has A/C, but everyone has heating.
Eighty-seven percent of American homes now have air conditioners, up from 68 percent in 1993,
I actually found those numbers kind of shocking, because where i grew up in upstate NY, people just didn't have AC. My brother has since moved back to (a different part of) upstate NY, bought a large NEWish house on six acres, and STILL doesn't have AC.
But it appears your numbers are correct.
I did find this interesting. Shoutout to Sweetcell:
Ninety one percent of American households had central air or window units in 2019, according to the Census Bureau. But of the largest 15 metro areas, Seattle had the fewest homes with air conditioning, at 44%. Around 22% of Seattle households have central air, while 15% have air conditioning in no more than one room.
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A heat wave in Seattle is 80!
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Sweetcell doesn't live in Seattle.
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Sweetcell doesn't live in Seattle.
a 300 mile radius of the area is ALL seattle
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I miss san Francisco
So when was the last drop of rain?
About 3 weeks ago - it rained for about a day and a half. But it was 92 on Monday of this week. I even opened the front windows...
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a 300 mile radius of the area is ALL seattle
Clearly, you've never been to Spokane.
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a 300 mile radius of the area is ALL seattle
Clearly, you've never been to Spokane.
nope...although it was almost out of the radius being 279 miles away
Sadly haven't gone more than 100 miles from the Atlantic ocean in the upper NW
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But of the largest 15 metro areas, Seattle had the fewest homes with air conditioning, at 44%. Around 22% of Seattle households have central air, while 15% have air conditioning in no more than one room.
this is changing very quickly. give it a few more years and the PNW will catch up with the rest of the country, thanks to the annual heatwave we've been having here for the past 5 years or so. living in rain and gloom for 7-8 months of the year means that folks don't do well in heat, i've heard many a local say that they held out on getting A/C as long as they could (it's a point of pride among many), but couldn't hold out any longer when the mercury hits 110*F.
smoke season (AKA forest fire season) is contributing as well: even in the middle of summer heat, the air gets refreshingly cool at night. PNWers could traditionally get away with no A/C because you can cool your house by opening windows overnight and sealing in the cool air in the morning. but when the air is orange with smoke and stings the eyes... thanks climate change.
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people who live in cold environments send WAAAY more pollutants into the air than AC units and their electrical draw
where are you getting your information?
Analyses of home-energy use reveal that we use more energy to heat our homes (41.7 million BTUs per year, on average, at a cost of $631) than to cool them (7.8 million BTUs, at $276).
homeowners in cold states like Minnesota were putting out 20 to 25 percent more carbon dioxide through the use of their heaters than were the A/C-happy folks in Florida.
Source (https://slate.com/technology/2012/08/air-conditioning-haters-its-not-as-bad-for-the-environment-as-heating.html)
they don't define "heating" and "cooling" particularly well. is cooling = A/C only? more importantly, is heating = furnace only? what about water heating and clothes drying, which are needed all year around?
here are some more recent data (that slate article is 10 years old) that breaks down energy consumption by category: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=96&t=3 (https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=96&t=3) - not much difference between heating and cooling.
thanks to climate change, we're seeing more heat events than cold events. as a general trend, temps are rising. the need for cooling will only increase, leading to more energy consumption.
EDIT: dammit. those stats are for electricity only. heating obviously uses gas and oil too... back to the drawing board.
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why are there brownouts or blackouts in the summer, but none during cold snaps in the winter?
Texas' ghetto ass powergrid would like a word.
n=1 makes for a poor counter-argument, but indeed, once again texas manages to provide an exception.
"exceptio probat regulam", the exception that proves the rule.
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Actually n=1 is a slamdunk counter-argument to "none" or n=0 claims, but feel free to pop off by all means.
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"why are there THOUSANDS of brownouts or blackouts in the summer, but ONLY EVER ONE RECORDED CASE during cold snaps in the winter?"
pedants don't win arguments, brah.
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"why are there THOUSANDS of brownouts or blackouts in the summer, but ONLY EVER ONE RECORDED CASE during cold snaps in the winter?"
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"why are there THOUSANDS of brownouts or blackouts in the summer, but ONLY EVER ONE RECORDED CASE during cold snaps in the winter?"
Why did this have to become racist...I know the missing word about winter is white
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Space, as the forum sponsor of parenting issues and vacation planning, WTF happened to the interface on AirBB where you actually have to pick a mountain house, yurt, camper, etc. and can't just see ALL of the options in a certain area? This is awful.
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Space, as the forum sponsor of parenting issues and vacation planning, WTF happened to the interface on AirBB where you actually have to pick a mountain house, yurt, camper, etc. and can't just see ALL of the options in a certain area? This is awful.
I am not sure. I was looking for airbnbs in Portugal the other day and didn't notice anything new. Where were you looking? Do you mean it only shows you one type of abode at a time?
Why Portugal? My wife had expressed an interest in the Azores. Flights there were a bit pricey, but I noticed they are quite cheap from Lisbon. We weren't planning on returning to Europe a second year in a row. But I was playing around on Orbitz, and I saw several airlines (Brussels Air, British Airways, Lufthansa, Iberia) with ridiculously cheap airfares to Lisbon. Like $350-$450 RT in the height of next summer. Which is odd because the direct flights from which you are connecting to Lisbon from (Brussels, London, Munich, Madrid) are all over $1000 RT. So, Portugal and the Azores it is.
Sorry, I have no parenting questions today. We went to back to school night and met the teachers last night. None of them commented on my Wilco t-shirt, I guess there were no Nick Cave's in the house.
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Space, as the forum sponsor of parenting issues and vacation planning, WTF happened to the interface on AirBB where you actually have to pick a mountain house, yurt, camper, etc. and can't just see ALL of the options in a certain area? This is awful.
I am not sure. I was looking for airbnbs in Portugal the other day and didn't notice anything new. Where were you looking? Do you mean it only shows you one type of abode at a time?
Why Portugal? My wife had expressed an interest in the Azores. Flights there were a bit pricey, but I noticed they are quite cheap from Lisbon. We weren't planning on returning to Europe a second year in a row. But I was playing around on Orbitz, and I saw several airlines (Brussels Air, British Airways, Lufthansa, Iberia) with ridiculously cheap airfares to Lisbon. Like $350-$450 RT in the height of next summer. Which is odd because the direct flights from which you are connecting to Lisbon from (Brussels, London, Munich, Madrid) are all over $1000 RT. So, Portugal and the Azores it is.
Sorry, I have no parenting questions today. We went to back to school night and met the teachers last night. None of them commented on my Wilco t-shirt, I guess there were no Nick Cave's in the house.
In the past, I have liked to use Airbb as more, I go, put in what I'm looking for and then legitimately search all of the eastern seaboard. It doesn't look like that's the case now if your location is "anywhere". I did find a work around though, just pick a city and then search outside of those city limits.
I was supposed to go to Lisbon in August of 2020. :0(
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lisbon, and portugal in general, is a great holiday destination.
when airbnb ain't working for me, i check out vrbo.com. i actually prefer it for longer-term rentals (week+) or when looking for an entire house. got an amazing and relatively cheap beachfront house in the yucatan for 8 people for 10 days just before covid ruined everything.
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My wife has been working since 7am yhis morning, and just got a job assignment at 5pm on a Friday Veterans Day.
My daughter wants to go for a walk with my wife, but wife too busy with work. Daughter says "Why do you have to be working after 5 on a Friday holiday, my father isn't."
Response: "Your father is a dipshit."
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What a peach.
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A keeper for sure
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Is she wrong is the question we should be asking?
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Is she wrong is the question we should be asking?
I guess my point is that though there were a million things wrong with both of my parents as partners, I don't ever remember either of them ever cutting the other one down or calling the other names in front of me or my brother.
And she literally prioritizes her work above everything. "That's what normal working people do, I don't have some fake ass government job, that's not the real world." And that's ok if that's what she needs to do (I think she should quietly quit(, but don't criticize me because I don't do the same. I work 45 hours a week, am happy with what I do, and get exceptional job reviews. But that's not my whole life. Sorry, but many normal people take federal holidays off. And when they do, it doesn't make them a dipshit.
Sorry for the rant. I suppose I should just rant to my teenage daughter, or my friends who died, moved away, or faded away, rather than other weirdos on the internet.
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Obviously it’s totally inappropriate for her to say that…. We’re just yanking your chain…from what you post here it doesn’t sound like she treats you as well as you deserve but things can be complex….we are only hearing your side although you are a thoughtful guy so I don’t think you are full of shit…sometimes putting down the partner is just a way of blowing off steam and it’s not really meant…sometimes people have a failing in one area but are exemplary in others…only you really know… sometimes there is a certain dynamic in a relationship with one partner being a bit dominant and the other more submissive …you got to weigh the good and bad in the relationship…personally I feel like people don’t change and these types of behaviors just get more engrained and worse… like she may talk about you like that now but in twenty years at thanksgiving watch out… only you can decide if it rises to the level of intolerable and take a stand…reality is once your daughter goes off to college you will be entirely free to leave the relationship if it’s not working for you…some people will just never leave no matter what…
And I think it’s more common than one would think….just nobody really admits it cause it’s a bit personal….my partner for years would yell at me in front of kids when I displayed my typical cluelessness “Do you have a brain tumor or something!?!” I didn’t like it after the 50th time…. Not so funny now that I got one so she doesn’t say it…
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my partner for years would yell at me in front of kids when I displayed my typical cluelessness “Do you have a brain tumor or something!?!” I didn’t like it after the 50th time…. Not so funny now that I got one so she doesn’t say it…
wait what?? for realz? did I somehow missed this news? dude, sorry to hear that...
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Thanks, Counselor Hutch, you've earned yet another beer. Someday we'll be at a show and you'll let me buy you one. Or two, given your penchant for cheap swill.
All pretty much on point and agree there's two sides to every story.
And damn, sensed you've been going through some health issues, but that's some serious stuff. I hope those closest to you have been helping you cope and rally. The world needs your NPR tote bag carrying music nerd ass around for a long time to come.
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Wow...really sorry hutch. Is this different from the original diagnosis? Damnit.
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Oh no it’s fine…it’s an indolent cancer… it’s treatable…wasn’t trying to freak anyone out…nice seeing you last night
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Oh no it’s fine…it’s an indolent cancer… it’s treatable…
glad to hear that.
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Metal parents: when is an appropriate time to start introducing kids to darker and more aggressive music like death/black metal? Do you start them out on Maiden and Sabbath and let them find their own way to the hard stuff? (Not a parent yet btw just curious about the timeline)
https://twitter.com/dblbassdickhead/status/1596573830067150850?s=46&t=u8EeEo3M8J5_Zkij_3jGrQ
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Love this manchester menu
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I'm usually just a reader of this thread, however last night one of my offspring set our thermostat to 92 degrees... I
Lost my mind and my partner was angry at me for getting so upset at said offspring.
I then was angry at my partner for getting mad at me.
The end.
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I'm usually just a reader of this thread, however last night one of my offspring set our thermostat to 92 degrees... I
Lost my mind and my partner was angry at me for getting so upset at said offspring.
I then was angry at my partner for getting mad at me.
The end.
This is the moment. The moment Space and Yada ceased being individual people and started being, Spada.
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We have apps in CA that give us warnings of earthquakes. Early this morning we had a 6.4 earthquake and the phone alerted me, rather loudly I might add, about said earthquake and to brace myself. So I jumped out of bed and ran into the little one's room only to be reminded that she's already travelling for the holidays with mom. Relieved that she wasn't going to have to be there for the impending big one, I braced myself for the shaking. And I waited. And waited. There was no shaking.
Turns out that the earthquake was many miles away from SF (near Humboldt, for those in the know) and I was awoken really for nothing and set into panic, I suppose just for practice. So as the adrenaline wore off and I was laying in bed going over what just happened, I realized that I put all of my concern into my toddler's well being, not even noticing that (1) my wife was not in bed next to me and (2) that I really put very little thought into her well being. She's a grown adult so I'm sure she would have been fine (right?) and that my first priority should be with the weakest of the bunch and that's the four year old.
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Sounds like fatherly instinct and the right thing to do...
I had never heard of this app you mentioned until I read your post... a half hour later I'm mindlessly watching a show called, "bay area revelations" and they mentioned the app. Weird.
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We have apps in CA that give us warnings of earthquakes. Early this morning we had a 6.4 earthquake and the phone alerted me, rather loudly I might add, about said earthquake and to brace myself. So I jumped out of bed and ran into the little one's room only to be reminded that she's already travelling for the holidays with mom. Relieved that she wasn't going to have to be there for the impending big one, I braced myself for the shaking. And I waited. And waited. There was no shaking.
Turns out that the earthquake was many miles away from SF (near Humboldt, for those in the know) and I was awoken really for nothing and set into panic, I suppose just for practice. So as the adrenaline wore off and I was laying in bed going over what just happened, I realized that I put all of my concern into my toddler's well being, not even noticing that (1) my wife was not in bed next to me and (2) that I really put very little thought into her well being. She's a grown adult so I'm sure she would have been fine (right?) and that my first priority should be with the weakest of the bunch and that's the four year old.
And then you went to the strip club?
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Space, what's the deal with Sturgill? Is he gone for good?
I thought you're the Sturgill guy, and would more likely know the answer. I don't know. I hope not?
I was listening to the Strugill/Angel Olsen duet on YouTube and I got an earful about "this Emmylou Harris shit" and the suggested videeo was a live Sturgill performance. I was thinking man, I should have given him more or a chance but apparently the other two thirds of the house didn't agree. And here I am holding my opinion in every time I hear how amazing Mariah Carey is and how great John Mayer's first album is. Sigh. Everyone has their own thing I guess.
Also, thoughts on my thermostat being set to 92? I'm sure this would've blown your heating budget for 2022 had this happened at your home. Feel free to respond in the parenting thread.
My apologies my first reaction was to laugh. What are you going to do? As long as it didn't catch the house on fire. Is anyone still upset about it? I'm sure you've shrugged it off and moved on, right?
On a tangential note....
My wife insists on having all the windows in the house open when it's 20 degrees out and the furnace is blasting because she "likes fresh air. (and I'm uncomfortably shivering and asking if we can shut some windows, her telling me I'd like it if "you were a real man, and not a pussy.") C'est la vie.
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I think smackie is the sturgill guy... but I wouldn't be surprised if he's done.
Re: no one is still mad about it nor do I care... I was more upset that my partner was pissed at me for yelling at my daughter about turning it up to 92.
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I was more upset that my partner was pissed at me for yelling at my daughter about turning it up to 92.
how old is the kid
how could they possibly know turning a dial would cost $$
and unless the windows were open like spaces house, I doubt this cost more than the price of one draft beer at some fancy craft brewery
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I was more upset that my partner was pissed at me for yelling at my daughter about turning it up to 92.
how old is the kid
how could they possibly know turning a dial would cost $$
and unless the windows were open like spaces house, I doubt this cost more than the price of one draft beer at some fancy craft brewery
I'm not concerned about the $$$... i was more concerned about our house burning down or our furnace blowing up going from 69 to 92.
6 years old.
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i was more concerned about our house burning down or our furnace blowing up going from 69 to 92.
6 years old.
well on the list of things I'm not qualified to comment on is: HVAC systems...but with that said ;)
I think very little risk here
I assume the system is new in the last 25 years?
if so there are lots of saftey/shut off features that would prevent a fire/furnace explosion
also it just slowly tries to raise the heat, not like it turns some flame on to Ludacris flame levels to get to 92 in a few mins
cut the 6yr old some slack...it's a learning opportunity. Should go show them the big scary furnace and how it's dangerous and not to play with it (althought that can backfire too) and show them how to change the air filter (you do that every 3-6 months, right)
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Early this morning we had a 6.4 earthquake
Lived in SF for 7 years...never really an earthquake of note in that time
move back to VA in 2011 and within a few months experience the biggest earthquake in my life (5.8 ...but kinda far away)
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Sturgill ruptured his Vocal Chords and was suffering from Hemorrhaging back in Sept 2021. There's about 50/50 chance he ever sings again.
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Sidepops... very nice advice and you must be a better father than me. I need to work on my patience in 2023.
I do know that for example with AC, if you blasts it down like 5+ degrees give or take vs. letting it cool slowly, it can freeze.
Based on "Bay Area Revelations" last night, SF is definitely due for a big one any moment!! Vibes to smackie!
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Sidepops... very nice advice and you must be a better father than me.
surely not. I yell at my kids all the time
I do know that for example with AC, if you blasts it down like 5+ degrees give or take vs. letting it cool slowly, it can freeze.
I don't think that is true
what is bad is start and restart the cooling multiple times. especially if you take the power out while it's trying hard to cool then plug it back in and keep doing that
that can fuck up your AC
not sure what type of HVAC you have, but my understanding is they all kind of go at the same rate and just shut off when they reach the same temp
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Based on "Bay Area Revelations" last night, SF is definitely due for a big one any moment!! Vibes to smackie!
I work in Hayward, where the most likely fault line to have over a 6.0 will happen in the Bay Area is, and LITERALLY while I was typing the Sturgill response we had a 3.1 in San Leandro, about 5 miles from here. I leave for CO tomorrow so let's hope it happens while I'm gone.
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Sturgill ruptured his Vocal Chords and was suffering from Hemorrhaging back in Sept 2021. There's about 50/50 chance he ever sings again.
Did he record this before September 2021? It's an updated version of the title track of a 2022 album.
https://pitchfork.com/news/sturgill-simpson-joins-angel-olsen-on-new-big-time-listen/
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Sturgill ruptured his Vocal Chords and was suffering from Hemorrhaging back in Sept 2021. There's about 50/50 chance he ever sings again.
Did he record this before September 2021? It's an updated version of the title track of a 2022 album.
https://pitchfork.com/news/sturgill-simpson-joins-angel-olsen-on-new-big-time-listen/
No he did that and another studio cover of a track for a tribute album (John Anderson) but he says he can really only do one offs at this point.
EDIT: Here's the John Anderson cover. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNMwZkis0ps)
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Sturgill ruptured his Vocal Chords and was suffering from Hemorrhaging back in Sept 2021. There's about 50/50 chance he ever sings again.
Did he record this before September 2021? It's an updated version of the title track of a 2022 album.
https://pitchfork.com/news/sturgill-simpson-joins-angel-olsen-on-new-big-time-listen/
Sturgill was on a bit with Colbert on The Late Show within the past two weeks. It ended up being him hosting a karaoke night at a bar near Thule AFB. He sang a Space Force song he wrote with Colbert, did a Top Gun duet of You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' with Colbert and sang along to Radar Love with a Space Force officer.
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There you go, the rumors of his demise have been exaggerated (though he isn't ripping stuff out like he used, I'll still take it). This is great news and also shows how little I was paying attention to anything but the World Cup in the last month.
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Sturgill ruptured his Vocal Chords and was suffering from Hemorrhaging back in Sept 2021. There's about 50/50 chance he ever sings again.
Did he record this before September 2021? It's an updated version of the title track of a 2022 album.
https://pitchfork.com/news/sturgill-simpson-joins-angel-olsen-on-new-big-time-listen/
No he did that and another studio cover of a track for a tribute album (John Anderson) but he says he can really only do one offs at this point.
EDIT: Here's the John Anderson cover. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNMwZkis0ps)
That whole John Anderson tribute album is excellent. The country guy, not the Yes guy.
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so my worst nightmare has happened: she is listening to coldplay
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so my worst nightmare has happened: she is listening to coldplay
Is that worse than mine liking Mariah Carey?
Surely there must be a band your kid can score points with you because they hate that band?
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so my worst nightmare has happened: she is listening to coldplay
Is that worse than mine liking Mariah Carey?
I remember the good old days when the worst crisis a parent could face was their child attempted to use their credit card to charter a helicopter to fly across state lines to get lunch with their camp friend!
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so my worst nightmare has happened: she is listening to coldplay
99% chance that the latter part of that statement is directly caused by the first part... B because of A.
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this isn't so much a parenting issue as an issue that folks have with my parenting - but science is on my side, bitches:
Study Says Dad Jokes Help Kids Grow into Healthy Adults (https://wmmr.com/2023/03/21/new-study-says-dad-jokes-help-kids-grow-into-healthy-adults)
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so my worst nightmare has happened: she is listening to coldplay
My job there is done. I'll return to SF now....
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Summer Vacation:
The time of the year where our 16 year old watches King of the Hill all day, goes to the pool, goes running, goes to the gym, and trashes the kitchen daily while her parents work 9-10 hours a day. Dad, full time telework. Mom, three days home two in office.
And either because dear daughter refuses or is incapable of properly cleaning, the job falls to Dad because "after all she is just a kid" (Mom's quote, not Dad's) and "I work harder than you." (Mon's quote not Dad's.)
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I expected more...
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I think you should take the whole family to Courtney Barnett as a bonding experience.
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I would love to see this as a sitcom
Summer Vacation:
The time of the year where our 16 year old watches King of the Hill all day, goes to the pool, goes running, goes to the gym, and trashes the kitchen daily while her parents work 9-10 hours a day. Dad, full time telework. Mom, three days home two in office.
And either because dear daughter refuses or is incapable of properly cleaning, the job falls to Dad because "after all she is just a kid" (Mom's quote, not Dad's) and "I work harder than you." (Mon's quote not Dad's.)
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I would love to see this as a sitcom
Summer Vacation:
The time of the year where our 16 year old watches King of the Hill all day, goes to the pool, goes running, goes to the gym, and trashes the kitchen daily while her parents work 9-10 hours a day. Dad, full time telework. Mom, three days home two in office.
And either because dear daughter refuses or is incapable of properly cleaning, the job falls to Dad because "after all she is just a kid" (Mom's quote, not Dad's) and "I work harder than you." (Mon's quote not Dad's.)
you say that, but you don't mean that
Don't get me wrong it has potential, but the walked all over dad shtick has been worn out
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I would love to see this as a sitcom
Summer Vacation:
The time of the year where our 16 year old watches King of the Hill all day, goes to the pool, goes running, goes to the gym, and trashes the kitchen daily while her parents work 9-10 hours a day. Dad, full time telework. Mom, three days home two in office.
And either because dear daughter refuses or is incapable of properly cleaning, the job falls to Dad because "after all she is just a kid" (Mom's quote, not Dad's) and "I work harder than you." (Mon's quote not Dad's.)
Shoot it like the back half of the final season of Barry.
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I'm sure Julian approves.
Restaurant adds $50 surcharge ‘for adults unable to parent’ (https://www.wfla.com/news/national/restaurant-adds-50-surcharge-for-adults-unable-to-parent/)
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Who doesn’t?
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Who doesn’t?
Would you be ok with a $50 surcharge for loud gay couples?
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But gay couples aren’t annoying
In fact I kind of like them!
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I'm sure Julian approves.
Restaurant adds $50 surcharge ‘for adults unable to parent’ (https://www.wfla.com/news/national/restaurant-adds-50-surcharge-for-adults-unable-to-parent/)
I never approve of half-measures.
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To all the parents out there...keep your kids on a short leash.
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To all the parents out there...keep your kids on a short leash.
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Michigan shooter's mother convicted of manslaughter on all counts.
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Who doesn’t?
Would you be ok with a $50 surcharge for loud gay couples?
What, an odd comment to reply back with.
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Who doesn’t?
Would you be ok with a $50 surcharge for loud gay couples?
What, an odd comment to reply back with.
That was a while ago, but I believe my point is that if you're going to charge a group a $50 surcharge because they are loud, you should charge any group that surcharge for being loud. Not just families with kids. Otherwise, you're discriminating.
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You, didn't say "any group." You made sure, to single out a specific group, as if to say that they are the only group who acts that way.
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You, didn't say "any group." You made sure, to single out a specific group, as if to say that they are the only group who acts that way.
Blowey, is this your first time meeting space?
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God, I love my new name . . . Blowey.
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Gotta pay the blow toll to get into that blowhole; you gotta play the blow toll to get in!