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Title: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2018, 02:34:07 pm
so we don't clog up other threads... let's focus our hopes, fears and nervousness in this, a safe space for all.

i'm nervous.  i don't trust the electorate to not f*ck this up again.  i guess we'll know some time between 8 and 9 pm tonight...
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: ggw on November 06, 2018, 02:48:50 pm
Beto O'Rourke shocks the world.

Everything else goes pretty close to the predicted outcome.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 06, 2018, 03:05:11 pm
Beto O'Rourke shocks the world.
He runs for President if so. And possibly even if he doesn't.

Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: K8teebug on November 06, 2018, 03:30:50 pm
Beto O'Rourke shocks the world.

Everything else goes pretty close to the predicted outcome.

I hope so. And I also hope Stacey Abrams wins.

And I hope the democrats win.

And I hope I'm right.

And I can't concentrate on anything today because I'm worried those white asshole boomers are going to fuck it all up again.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: K8teebug on November 06, 2018, 03:31:30 pm
To be clear, not all boomers are jerks.

And I also know that the young peeps need to come out to vote also.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 03:33:58 pm
I will look at VA congressional district 7 (and 10) as early indicators....

Anything other than a shellacking for Republicans will be disappointing for me....I mean Obama got thumped why not Trump


Winning GA governorship would be real satisfying

Beto seems like too much to hope for
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: ggw on November 06, 2018, 03:40:08 pm
MSNBC already called Florida:

https://nypost.com/2018/11/06/msnbcs-test-misfire-airs-results-in-florida-race-for-governor-a-day-early/
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 03:44:44 pm
Who cares....remember President Kerry?


It should be illegal to release these polls
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 04:29:28 pm
the races I'm interested in
Gov
FL - Gov
GA - Gov

I'm going to get a lot of satisfaction seeing Walker lose, that guy is high on my top douche-bag list

Senate
AZ - Sinema all the way 
TX - let's go Beto...(I can see presidential aspirations with this one...plus he was a skater, we need a halfpipe in the rose garden!)
Missouri....I hope Claire can hold on!
Ole Miss...how awesome would it be if Epsy get's 50%!

Blue beating across the house....like serious beat down like 240-195
hoping it's only 51-49 in the senate

Guys I voted for are probably going to crush...Donnny B and The Insane Kaine are unstoppable

Anything other than a shellacking for Republicans will be disappointing for me...
I'm soo with you on this one
like a mafia boss would say 'I wanna send a message'

I want them to know we are out there, we're blue, we vote and you need to deal with it...

I liked seeing this
 secular Democrats are among the most enthusiastic and politically engaged voters this year
my peeps!
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 05:17:40 pm
Agree about Florida...would be big


Also Walker losing


I cannot believe Duncan Hunter will be re-elected


I hope Claire M. Hangs on
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 05:21:50 pm
Agree about Florida...would be big
also the ballot in FL on restoring voting rights to felons is big

Yes it totally benefits the Dems and may make that a True blue going forward
but I think if people break the law and do the time, they are still citizens and should have rights...they didn't get life in prison

oh and Weed is ballot in 2018
        Michigan and North Dakota will decide statewide measures on the legalization of adult-use cannabis.
        Utah and Missouri will consider medical marijuana legalization initiatives.
        Other states will consider smaller reforms or advisory measures, including Ohio and Wisconsin.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 05:29:49 pm
I canít get too into felon voting rights or weed legalization...I mean I am for them but in the relative scheme of fuckedupness itís pretty low on the totem pole...

And it wonít make Florida blue....not exactly a voting constituency you can count on...
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 06, 2018, 05:33:40 pm
We got this....maybe.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 05:49:56 pm
We got this....maybe.
#neverforgetthehubris

I canít get too into felon voting rights or weed legalization...I mean I am for them but in the relative scheme of fuckedupness itís pretty low on the totem pole...
well you got a point...but they do get dems out to the polls

Quote
And it wonít make Florida blue....not exactly a voting constituency you can count on...
true...but I bet it would be a deciding factor in a few places...FL always has some crazy close elections
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 05:53:52 pm
Greetings from Guam,
 where itís already 8:00 a.m. on Wednesday and Democrats have scored their first win of the night. Democrat Lou Leon Guerrero defeated Republican Ray Tenorio to become the next governor of the U.S. territory.


this is handy
How To Watch The Midterms: An Hour-By-Hour Guide (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2018-election-polls-close/)
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 09:29:52 pm
I donít know... early results worrisome to me
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 09:40:41 pm
two close VA ones went R
Comstock lost tho

FL is going 1% on every race there!

turnout is crazy, but it's not looking like it's helping

I'm feeling concerned
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 09:54:18 pm
You should be...unless they dig up some dead people in Broward Scott and DeSantis are going to win...not a good sign...and we already lost IN Senate seat

I hope I am misreading this
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 10:04:08 pm
The Tay Tay bump was shit in TN
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 10:39:25 pm
VA 7th cd
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 10:43:24 pm
blue ripple, not even worth putting the wetsuit on
FL is pissing me off so freaking bad
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 06, 2018, 10:54:17 pm
Dems might pull this out yet house wise. Good gubernatorial results.

Brat may be going down here locally which would put me in a big mood.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 11:20:41 pm
I'm feeling 98% that we'll take the house...but by possibly less than 5 seats
that's not a referendum on trump at all
makes me fell most Americans are ok with trump

ugh and the just called Cruz


within seconds of this post...they called the house
I should be excited, but I'm feeling deflated

the NBC news staff took a big sigh when that was announced and got a little more peppy in their commentary

jez looks like the senate might get to 54...this is a disaster
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 11:42:31 pm
We get House they keep senate...not that bad

I wanted more but the house is important

It is all about 2020 now....Trump has FL and OH almost locked down.    a very few states will determine 2020...

Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2018, 11:48:04 pm
Virginia did amazing
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 06, 2018, 11:54:50 pm
Brat bites it
to think this is the guy who took cantor out (always wanted to thank him for that)


Gillium concedes...
at least In Florida, Amendment 4, which restores voting rights to those with prior felony convictions, has passed
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 07, 2018, 01:15:00 am
Nobody should be surprised by the Senate....

senate will flip blue in 2 years, if history holds, so he has 2 years of unfettered power.

33 Senate seats up for grabs.

23 are Democrats (including FL, IN, MO, MI, MN, MT, ND, OH, PA, VA, WI, WV)
2 are Independents who already Caucus with the Dems.
8 are Republicans in AZ, MS, NE, NV, TN, TX, UT and WY.

Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2018, 09:34:01 am
This is definitely an election one can look at as glass is half full or empty


McConnell did what he wanted with 51-49 so I donít see Senate results having impact...democrats were unlikely to flip...

The check in House is important and a new reality

Looking to 2020 we see a pretty clearly defined map with FL and OH going Trump leaving election to be fought in very very few states that should favor us like PA MI WI but donít count out Trump...he has political skills and has to be considered favorite
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 10:14:50 am
Virginia and Michigan really had great nights
Michigan, all the top statewide office holders were won by Democratic women, along with three new Dem women being sent to Congress. To top it off, the voters in Michigan voted to completely legalize marijuana, outlawed gerrymandering, enacted same-day voter registration and created a transparent auditing system to ensure all the.votes are always counted correctly.

I'm going to have a serious sit down with those in OH and FL tho...

Ok...it's over, not how I wanted it to go..but we actually now have leverage to stop the insanity that is going on at the Federal level
we've elected the most diverse congress in history...that will have an impact for generations


word is there is going to be a Cabinet shake up and Sessions won't make it to christmas
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 07, 2018, 10:51:13 am
Brat bites it
Do not technically live in that district but I work in it and I cannot tell you how satisfying that is.

Would've preferred a few more House Seats and another Senate seat (Texas was achingly close) and getting at least one of the GA/FL governorships would've been nice. But all and all, a good night. Not a colossal knockout but the Dems made gains and have a real check on Trump. Positive movements in suburban areas in MI/WI/PA (and VA but it doesn't matter) portend well for 2020 if we run a Biden type.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 10:58:20 am
for 2020 if we run a Biden type.
fuck that Beto 2020!
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 07, 2018, 11:09:25 am
for 2020 if we run a Biden type.
fuck that Beto 2020!
It's hilarious that you like Beto as much as you do yet fail to recognize he is very much a Biden type.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 11:33:29 am
for 2020 if we run a Biden type.
fuck that Beto 2020!
It's hilarious that you like Beto as much as you do yet fail to recognize he is very much a Biden type.
well one is 75 and one is 46
but I will concede on type...I just think most people won't draw that conclusion since he's new, he's blue and can raise a shitload of $$$
I just think why you say Biden-type...just sounds like old school/establishment Dem
I feel (with out a lot of facts) that he's the face of the Neu-Dems (enough of the 70 year olds...we need new blood)

I'm actually not in love with Beto (yet), but he's ticking off all the right boxes for a contender for 2020


Kinda expecting GGW to gloat a little more
thought Rat Bastard might make a "surprise at the forum" appearance too
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 07, 2018, 11:39:08 am
thought Rat Bastard might make a "surprise at the forum" appearance too
As I've explained several times, he's banned for using the c-word.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 11:41:56 am
thought Rat Bastard might make a "surprise at the forum" appearance too
As I've explained several times, he's banned for using the c-word.
Coldplay?

ok this meme made me feel a little better
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45669383_10156092020018121_8309951132877193216_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=12e8c24704f6b6acadfac6274eb3edab&oe=5C72240C)
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 07, 2018, 11:43:41 am
he's ticking off all the right boxes for a contender for 2020

How does he stay relevant for the next two years?  People will forget his concession speech right after Thanksgiving dinner...
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 11:48:47 am
he's ticking off all the right boxes for a contender for 2020

How does he stay relevant for the next two years?  People will forget his concession speech right after Thanksgiving dinner...
true...but the guy raised $70 million in a mid term...a force to be reckoned with.
also now name recognition across the nation is through the roof

I think people didn't even listen to his concession speech
all about optics
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2018, 12:24:38 pm
Brat bites it
Do not technically live in that district but I work in it and I cannot tell you how satisfying that is.

Would've preferred a few more House Seats and another Senate seat (Texas was achingly close) and getting at least one of the GA/FL governorships would've been nice. But all and all, a good night. Not a colossal knockout but the Dems made gains and have a real check on Trump. Positive movements in suburban areas in MI/WI/PA (and VA but it doesn't matter) portend well for 2020 if we run a Biden type.

Please do.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2018, 12:28:01 pm
Well with the decent but less than thrilling results, the question for me is:

Do I cut a few inches off (what my wife would prefer), just cut the dead ends off (what my daughter would prefer, does that really count as a haircut?), or not cut it at all?
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2018, 01:00:03 pm
There is only one Biden....I think he would help in Pennsylvania which is critical but damn he is past his shelf life


The primaries are going to be nuts
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 01:11:15 pm
I know it's a fools gambit to decipher trumps tweets...but...

@realDonaldTrump

In all fairness, Nancy Pelosi deserves to be chosen Speaker of the House by the Democrats. If they give her a hard time, perhaps we will add some Republican votes. She has earned this great honor!
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 01:15:17 pm
from april...but plays well this morning

Scott Walker Dismayed That Wisconsin Apparently Smarter Despite Cuts in Education
@Andy Borowitz

and Bugs has a good idea for Florida
(https://i.giphy.com/media/T7fU0RWWhWpYk/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2018, 01:39:23 pm
First Democrat to come out as a border hawk would win in landslide.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2018, 01:50:46 pm
But they would not get nomination...
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2018, 02:09:11 pm
This press conference is off the rails
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2018, 02:10:41 pm
Wow Tester held on!!!
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 07, 2018, 02:35:16 pm
This should seem like an easy question to find an answer to but what is the count in the Senate if we count Vermont and Maine's independents as Dems? Is it a 53-47 GOP lead or 54-46? I spent five minutes on CNN, 538, and Politico and cannot seem to find a simple answer.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2018, 03:09:43 pm
Toots Hibbert prison number 54-46
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: ggw on November 07, 2018, 03:11:29 pm
The two Independents caucus with the Democrats and are considered as (D) in all the counts.  So it's 53-47.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 07, 2018, 03:58:18 pm
Sessions has "resigned".
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 04:14:03 pm
Dead brothel owner Dennis Hof wins Nevada assembly seat for GOP (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dead-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-wins-nevada-assembly-seat-for-gop)
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 07, 2018, 05:02:07 pm
Sessions has "resigned".

we all knew that he would be fired shortly after the election... don't think anything thought it would be that shortly.

rosenstein's up next.  CNN reporting he's on his way to the White House.  i suspect it isn't a social call.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2018, 05:18:12 pm
Sessions has "resigned".

we all knew that he would be fired shortly after the election... don't think anything thought it would be that shortly.

rosenstein's up next.  CNN reporting he's on his way to the White House.  i suspect it isn't a social call.

Summoning the victim to the White House to be fired doesn't seem to be Trump's style. Having Kelly do the dirty work away from the White House is.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2018, 05:47:53 pm
Oversight of Russia probe passes to Acting Attorney General Whitaker....


Kind of stinks....I get Mueller wanting to wait but he must have known this was possible
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 06:04:55 pm
Oversight of Russia probe passes to Acting Attorney General Whitaker....


Kind of stinks....I get Mueller wanting to wait but he must have known this was possible
All I hope is that he has two copies of his paperwork and one is hidden
this has gone on for a really long time...
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2018, 07:26:46 pm
Oversight of Russia probe passes to Acting Attorney General Whitaker....


Kind of stinks....I get Mueller wanting to wait but he must have known this was possible

I think anyone who has been following along knew this was exactly what was going to happen. Including Mueller. Rumor has it Mueller is a smart guy and hence he must have a plan in place given the inevitability of this happening....
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 07, 2018, 08:37:47 pm
Sessions has "resigned".

we all knew that he would be fired shortly after the election... don't think anything thought it would be that shortly.

rosenstein's up next.  CNN reporting he's on his way to the White House.  i suspect it isn't a social call.

Summoning the victim to the White House to be fired doesn't seem to be Trump's style. Having Kelly do the dirty work away from the White House is.

agreed that having someone else do the dirty work is on-brand for trump... but so is the whole theater of making the person come to you, sitting them down to state why they're being fired, etc.  AKA The Apprentice.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2018, 09:06:58 pm
This press conference is off the rails

Read this headline and the comments section. What planet are these people on?

https://www.facebook.com/157843634416312/posts/943435865857081/
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2018, 01:32:05 am
Itís going to be hard to get through the next two years....today was so depressing

Am thinking of trying to ignore politics for a while cause Trump just wears me out....itís a constant nonstop freak show
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: ggw on November 08, 2018, 07:55:18 am
You're such a drama queen.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2018, 09:15:46 am
Yeah maybe I am making too much of it....
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 08, 2018, 09:51:02 am
You're such a drama queen.
you know I don't think that's really the case.  I don't remember every following the news EVERY SINGLE DAY during the last 25 years of politics
this political era is unprecedented
There is just so much important news that goes on at a rapid fire pace
I feel its the shock and awe technique and it's working...pay attention to the silly dancing clown while we dismantle the structure and meaning of government as we know it

say what you will, but I don't think this is hyperbolic thinking at all, we have no other time in American history to compare this too...
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 08, 2018, 10:10:15 am
You're such a drama queen.
you know I don't think that's really the case.  I don't remember every following the news EVERY SINGLE DAY during the last 25 years of politics
this political era is unprecedented

There is just so much important news that goes on at a rapid fire pace
I feel its the shock and awe technique and it's working...pay attention to the silly dancing clown while we dismantle the structure and meaning of government as we know it

say what you will, but I don't think this is hyperbolic thinking at all, we have no other time in American history to compare this too...

My wife was just saying these exact same words right after out Thursday morning telework sex session this morning.

 At least she wasn't complaining about the sex.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 08, 2018, 11:30:24 am
My wife was just saying these exact same words right after out Thursday morning telework sex session this morning.

 At least she wasn't complaining about the sex.
2018 Space Freely is a great vintage. Full bodied right out of the bottle.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 08, 2018, 01:25:18 pm
My wife was just saying these exact same words right after out Thursday morning telework sex session this morning.

 At least she wasn't complaining about the sex.
2018 Space Freely is a great vintage. Full bodied right out of the bottle.

the collective on-brandness is killing me this morning.  what a time to be alive.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 08, 2018, 01:59:24 pm
I'm sorry but Republicans have no shame when it comes to making sure votes don't count

I just don't know how an American citizen can be a Republican and look themselves in the mirror and be ok with any limits on actual citizens making actual votes

who the fuk cares how long it takes or how difficult it is...we all get one vote* (I know there are some rules and I'm fine with that)

Arizona GOP sues to limit mail-in ballots in McSally-Sinema race (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-senate-race-gop-sues-mail-in-ballots-martha-mcsally-kyrsten-sinema/)

you can have your opinion on ANY topic you want....but when it comes to suppressing votes in any way (that are legal) it pisses me off than just about any other low down and dirty tactic the GOP uses
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Post by: vansmack on November 08, 2018, 03:27:42 pm
But they're indiscriminate, Sidehatch.  They even suppressed their own vote when it came to Merrick Garland!
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2018, 09:23:32 pm
Democrats may pick up Arizona senate seat!
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Post by: Space Freely on November 08, 2018, 10:19:19 pm
Democrats may pick up Arizona senate seat!

I guess Arizona Republicans should have stuck with Flake instead of going for a batshit Trumpster.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2018, 10:22:22 pm
Well...still early

Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 08, 2018, 10:25:05 pm
That green party candidate took enough votes for sinema to win.  I love third parties...but only when it isn't so close

Of course Maricopa County makes the news
That county has been name dropped so many times I. The last decade

Although somewhat shocked to learn there are  over 4 million people in Maricopa County
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 08, 2018, 10:48:18 pm
Doesnít Arizona only have like 4-5 counties total?
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 09, 2018, 10:49:25 am
so Florida...
If there is a recount ...especially with the 70K absentee ballots found in Broward
Will Gillium be out of luck if its shown he won...since he already conceded

What is the precedent if someone concedes and then is shown to be the victor?

It is just crazy how 8Million votes get cast and both races are in the 40k difference

I have to disagree with hutch on the Ammendent #4 ...
nearly 1.5 million people in Florida have completed felony sentences ...now can  vote
Thats about 9.2 percent of the voting-age population in Florida.

Ok I will 100% agree that's not a reliable voting block...but with those numbers ...You just need 3-4% of them to vote to turn things blue
that's seems doable



Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 09, 2018, 11:01:45 am
Democrats may pick up Arizona senate seat!
jez...half a million ballots left to count

how can you call anything when there are that many outstanding...especially with this thin margin
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 09, 2018, 11:42:37 am
how can you call anything when there are that many outstanding...especially with this thin margin
You can't. Its a tossup.
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Post by: ggw on November 09, 2018, 11:56:13 am
Where's Katherine Harris when you need her?
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 09, 2018, 12:01:16 pm
Where's Katherine Harris when you need her?
Haven't though about her for ages...surprised some news outlets aren't trying to track her down for commentary

Harris has not been very active in public life since retiring from politics..... and in 2017, after admitting she'd become "a near recluse"


this is interesting tidbit
Katherine Harris was portrayed by actress Laura Dern in the 2008 film Recount, which won Dern a Golden Globe for the role
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2018, 01:46:59 pm
Will Gillium be out of luck if its shown he won...since he already conceded

What is the precedent if someone concedes and then is shown to be the victor?

concessions don't mean a damn thing.  winner is determined by the vote count, regardless of any concessions (or lack thereof - doesn't matter if the loser doesn't concede, the winner is still the winner).
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Post by: hutch on November 09, 2018, 01:57:14 pm
Seeing Scott lose would make me very happy but I am skeptical they will find that many votes for Nelson


Not sure why so many democrats seem to be so stupid in conceding
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Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 09, 2018, 01:58:30 pm
Will Gillium be out of luck if its shown he won...since he already conceded

What is the precedent if someone concedes and then is shown to be the victor?

concessions don't mean a damn thing.  winner is determined by the vote count, regardless of any concessions (or lack thereof - doesn't matter if the loser doesn't concede, the winner is still the winner).
GOOD
just read this too"A concession carries no legal weight. It is merely a tradition. The news media overplays the legal significance of a concession, which means nothing. "

fun fact
The first "concession telegram" occurred when William Jennings Bryan sent William McKinley two days after the 1896 US presidential election.
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Post by: Heilung4eva on November 09, 2018, 03:29:23 pm

fun fact
The first "concession telegram" occurred when William Jennings Bryan sent William McKinley two days after the 1896 US presidential election.


Oooh that IS fun!
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 13, 2018, 07:51:54 am
SINEMA!
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: evilizac on November 13, 2018, 11:30:45 am
If we're happy about Sinema, should we not also be happy for Manchin ?
He's often portrayed as a stain on the Democratic party, ~ 60% voting in line with Trump platforms, same as Sinema.
Make no mistake, I'm happy he held on and that Sinema pulled off AZ, but one can't be the dawn of a new age while the other is conveyed as a disgrace to his party affiliation.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 13, 2018, 11:37:16 am
If we're happy about Sinema, should we not also be happy for Manchin ?
He's often portrayed as a stain on the Democratic party, ~ 60% voting in line with Trump platforms, same as Sinema.
Make no mistake, I'm happy he held on and that Sinema pulled off AZ, but one can't be the dawn of a new age while the other is conveyed as a disgrace to his party affiliation.

For me it depends on what Trump platforms he's aligned with. I doubt I'm 0% aligned with Trump myself, but 60% seems pretty damn high.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 13, 2018, 11:44:58 am
If we're happy about Sinema, should we not also be happy for Manchin ?
He's often portrayed as a stain on the Democratic party, ~ 60% voting in line with Trump platforms, same as Sinema.
Make no mistake, I'm happy he held on and that Sinema pulled off AZ, but one can't be the dawn of a new age while the other is conveyed as a disgrace to his party affiliation.
So I don't love Manchin that much, but he's much better than Morrisey (BOTH of them) and so glad Blankenship didn't even get a chance
but its WV...at least he is on the Dems side for Net Neutrality, Sanctions on Russia, the 1 % tax breaks and healthcare

Joe Manchin III and Tim Kaine are from the same party and have agreed on 77 percent of votes in the 115th Congress (2017-18).

Same with Sinema...it's AZ, pretty much always R...so you would think the D has to play to that same audience
but not 100% blue..but seems to mostly be in line with the dems
Kyrsten Sinema and Nancy Pelosi are from the same party and have agreed on 76 percent of votes in the 115th Congress (2017-18).
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 13, 2018, 11:46:09 am
Why? We thought Manchin would win whereas Sinema was more of a reach


Manchin voted to confirm Kavanaugh..,
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 13, 2018, 11:47:52 am
If we're happy about Sinema, should we not also be happy for Manchin ?
He's often portrayed as a stain on the Democratic party, ~ 60% voting in line with Trump platforms, same as Sinema.
Make no mistake, I'm happy he held on and that Sinema pulled off AZ, but one can't be the dawn of a new age while the other is conveyed as a disgrace to his party affiliation.

For me it depends on what Trump platforms he's aligned with. I doubt I'm 0% aligned with Trump myself, but 60% seems pretty damn high.
Yeah...it's hard to use stats sometimes ....as so many votes are useless and sometimes they vote differently since it has no chance of passing

this site is interesting comparisons of votes to policies

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/

Pro publica alows you to compare voting records of two people..to see where they line up
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/M001183-joe-manchin-iii/compare-votes/K000384-tim-kaine/115
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Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 13, 2018, 11:49:34 am
Manchin voted to confirm Kavanaugh..,
he kinda had to for the WV vote...but not sure he would have done it if it was a tie breaker?   but a stain no less...he's with us with more than he's against us and in this environment we need more of those than hardliners
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 13, 2018, 11:56:34 am
Fine but no I will not celebrate Manchin winning...I will take it
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 13, 2018, 11:57:43 am
Itís not just about voting record...Manchin is a bit of a sleaze
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 13, 2018, 05:14:55 pm
Is the term "messianic government" a right wing talking point?

My wife was trading texts with her Trump-voting mom, and her mom said she is sick of "messianic government."
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Post by: sweetcell on November 13, 2018, 05:46:25 pm
i've haven't heard of "messianic government" previously, but methinks that the like of Pence and Co. would describe their administration as "messianic", no? 


is you MiL using it as an insult or a compliment? 
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 13, 2018, 05:53:28 pm
i've haven't heard of "messianic government" previously, but methinks that the like of Pence and Co. would describe their administration as "messianic", no? 


is you MiL using it as an insult or a compliment?

She was sort of using it to distance herself from Trump, but lumped "the idyllic Obama" in as part of the "messianic government as well."

This is another reason why we need a young President. Most old people are batshit crazy.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: evilizac on November 14, 2018, 10:27:09 am
I get the concept though, I think it's akin to cult of personality. . .
How many people were jazzed that Obama won re-election all while the Ds bled state, senate and congressional seats? I know that at the time I viewed that as the bigger win. I could see the way they used Obama's lack of executive experience vs. personality as reasons against his candidacy in the 2008 might be analogous.
 I also do recall Trump running asserting that only he could fix our governments ills i.e. drain the swamp, protect our borders, get jobs back from (_____). 
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Post by: Space Freely on November 14, 2018, 10:41:03 am
I get the concept though, I think it's akin to cult of personality. . .
How many people were jazzed that Obama won re-election all while the Ds bled state, senate and congressional seats? I know that at the time I viewed that as the bigger win. I could see the way they used Obama's lack of executive experience vs. personality as reasons against his candidacy in the 2008 might be analogous.
 I also do recall Trump running asserting that only he could fix our governments ills i.e. drain the swamp, protect our borders, get jobs back from (_____).

Thanks. Interesting take. If we drink enough Xmas wine, perhaps I'll ask her what she meant. If your read is correct, I guess she won't care much for Beto.
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Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 15, 2018, 09:59:05 am
I was playing the 'what is the difference' between who the two parties elected in 2018 and I just can't put my finger on it?
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46135387_2217802121565705_7114474009969819648_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=f26fa88ab3a63b5c6956e09c591159ec&oe=5C7231B6)
Ok..the Dems don't have any one with an Eye Patch
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on November 15, 2018, 10:32:12 am
Yeah but we got Jesus!
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on November 15, 2018, 10:59:08 am
Ok..the Dems don't have any one with an Eye Patch
Be careful, you're about to go full Pete Davidson.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 15, 2018, 11:27:12 am
Ok..the Dems don't have any one with an Eye Patch
Be careful, you're about to go full Pete Davidson.
you are correct...I forgot about that and just read this
Crenshaw won his race against Democrat Todd Litton. During his acceptance speech, Crenshaw credited Davidson's joke for giving him a boost in popularity. 
But I didn't mock him, I mocked the Dem's for not being more diverse to represent the uni-oclular

probaly a good time to quote scripture
Luke 11:34: "If therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness."
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Post by: sweetcell on November 15, 2018, 01:26:53 pm
"The proportion of white men within the Democratic caucus is set to drop from 41% to 38% next year, while the same percentage is set to rise among Republicans from 86% to 90%." (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/14/congress-diversity-democrats-republicans-photo (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/14/congress-diversity-democrats-republicans-photo))

according to 2010 census, white men are approximately 35-36% of the overall population... so the Dems actually reflect the makeup  of the US.
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Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 27, 2018, 03:07:59 pm
this is what I had hoped would happen...the largest Mid-term turnout in my lifetime
(https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/SILVER-TRUMPBASE-1119-11.png?w=575)
2018 wave was indisputably unlike any other in recent midterm history: It came with exceptionally high turnout. Turnout is currently estimated at 116 million voters, or 49.4 percent of the voting-eligible population. Thatís an astounding number; only 83 million people voted in 2014, by contrast.


I'm really hoping https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ has some wins before 2020...
The National Popular Vote interstate compact would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
of course TX, FL, IA and OH aren't even considering this...but we can always hope

I am a little nervous that Trump and Newt supports this
http://archive.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/misc/gingrich_20140819.php
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/president-trump-reaffirms-his-long-standing-opposition-electoral-college-and-favors-nationwide-vote
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 26, 2019, 03:21:01 pm

I'm really hoping https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ has some wins before 2020...
The National Popular Vote interstate compact would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
of course TX, FL, IA and OH aren't even considering this...but we can always hope
Good news people....only 89 more electoral college votes to go to make this a reality
 
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D) will sign a measure to award his stateís electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/431425-colorado-governor-will-sign-bill-aimed-at-bypassing-electoral-college?fbclid=IwAR1LGt9O9hSSCrgjqKuuRBXLV7nsxeAEAJdoVicw-lQElkO9prQbIv8bxTE)

Colorado will become the 12th state to join the national popular vote interstate compact. Those 12 states and the District of Columbia, which has also passed a popular-vote bill, account for 181 electoral votes, just under 90 shy of the 270 votes a presidential candidate needs to win the White House.
 
The compact will not go into effect until the coalition includes states that add up to 270 electoral votes or more. Once it does go into effect, states that are part of the coalition would award their electoral votes en masse to the candidate who wins the national popular vote.



man, if we could just get FL and NH...this could be a reality
I really think democratic $$$ should be targeting this in key states to get this passed before 2020
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Post by: vansmack on February 26, 2019, 06:33:54 pm
Why do I get the feeling this sounds good now, but the first time it is used it's going to fuck me over?
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Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 27, 2019, 07:26:36 am
^ in the category of ' be careful what you wish for'

That Trump and newt are supportive has me concerned.... but I think it is lip service as they don't really want popular vote, it just sounds good
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Post by: gavroche on February 27, 2019, 10:40:17 am
^ in the category of ' be careful what you wish for'

That Trump and newt are supportive has me concerned.... but I think it is lip service as they don't really want popular vote, it just sounds good

Absent some sort of ballot stuffing strategy, the Republicans definitely do NOT want this.  Not only does it make it very difficult for them to win the Presidency, but it will hurt them down the ballot as well because it incentivizes everyone to turn out and vote.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 27, 2019, 11:06:49 am
^ in the category of ' be careful what you wish for'

That Trump and newt are supportive has me concerned.... but I think it is lip service as they don't really want popular vote, it just sounds good

Absent some sort of ballot stuffing strategy, the Republicans definitely do NOT want this.  Not only does it make it very difficult for them to win the Presidency, but it will hurt them down the ballot as well because it incentivizes everyone to turn out and vote.

With that said....shouldn't this be Priority #1 for the DNC

such an easy topic to get good press on...
but this has to happen state by state (which is good) but honestly, we don't need that many more at this point
you'd think this have some good traction with the actual voters rather than the heads of the GOP

I need to correct my statement below
man, if we could just get FL and NH...this could be a reality 
not enough...

we need 90 more
(https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/sites/default/files/npv_bigstatessquaremap_v5.jpg)
CO isn't done as the Gov needs to sign
I think we should focus on some of the big orange/yellow MI/AZ/NC...you'd think DE/ME/OR would be easy too? (56)

and then really dump some money into FL(29)/PA(20)/GA(16)/VA(13) to get a few of the big ones ...


edit...just found this out...not a win yet, but a good sign
National Popular Vote bill introduced in Oregon Senate (https://koaa.com/news/2019/02/26/national-popular-vote-bill-introduced-in-oregon-senate/)


although...this is my fear if the states actually do it...they will keep it in the courts until after 2020
Some constitutional scholars expect lawsuits to fly if the compact states reach 270 electoral votes combined and the Electoral College national-vote laws thus take effect.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: gavroche on February 27, 2019, 12:10:46 pm
^ in the category of ' be careful what you wish for'

That Trump and newt are supportive has me concerned.... but I think it is lip service as they don't really want popular vote, it just sounds good

Absent some sort of ballot stuffing strategy, the Republicans definitely do NOT want this.  Not only does it make it very difficult for them to win the Presidency, but it will hurt them down the ballot as well because it incentivizes everyone to turn out and vote.

With that said....shouldn't this be Priority #1 for the DNC

such an easy topic to get good press on...
but this has to happen state by state (which is good) but honestly, we don't need that many more at this point
you'd think this have some good traction with the actual voters rather than the heads of the GOP

I need to correct my statement below
man, if we could just get FL and NH...this could be a reality 
not enough...

we need 90 more
(https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/sites/default/files/npv_bigstatessquaremap_v5.jpg)
CO isn't done as the Gov needs to sign
I think we should focus on some of the big orange/yellow MI/AZ/NC...you'd think DE/ME/OR would be easy too? (56)

and then really dump some money into FL(29)/PA(20)/GA(16)/VA(13) to get a few of the big ones ...


edit...just found this out...not a win yet, but a good sign
National Popular Vote bill introduced in Oregon Senate (https://koaa.com/news/2019/02/26/national-popular-vote-bill-introduced-in-oregon-senate/)


although...this is my fear if the states actually do it...they will keep it in the courts until after 2020
Some constitutional scholars expect lawsuits to fly if the compact states reach 270 electoral votes combined and the Electoral College national-vote laws thus take effect.

I think it is likely harder to get this passed, in the short term, then it is to win the Presidential for the Dems under the current system.  The impact is obvious and places like VA are so gerrymandered that it isn't going to fly there, but the Dem presidential candidate will win there. 
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Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 08, 2019, 01:39:56 pm
I think we should focus on some of the big orange/yellow MI/AZ/NC...you'd think DE/ME/OR would be easy too? (56)
Ok, not a done deal yet....but looking like 3 more votes closer

On March 7, 2019, the Delaware Senate passed the National Popular Vote bill in a bi-partisan 14-7 vote (status of SB 22).  The bill now goes to the Delaware House of Representatives, where it is sponsored by a 24 of the 41 members.  The bill has passed the House on two previous occasions.   
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Post by: vansmack on March 08, 2019, 02:18:50 pm
In 2004, President Bush won the popular vote 62,040,610 to John Kerry's 59,028,444.  If Kerry had won Ohio (shift Ohio votes by 60,000), he would have won the electoral college and still lost the popular vote.

As I said in my comment before, manage your expectations carefully.

Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 09:55:33 am
smakie...not going to let you get me down on that
Kerry was a horrible candidate IMO, especially after 9/11, people loved bush

Yes, I would hate if this got passed and then Trump wins the pop and the Dem wins the EC
I agree it 'could' happen, but the math doesn't seem like it's there

In related news...Poular Vote Compact bill passes both houses and is going to Democratic Gov Michelle Lujan Grisham
Haven't really heard reports if she is going to sign (I think she will) unlike in CO where Polis said he'd sign

this has me concerned tho...
Law professor: National popular vote bill may create constitutional conundrum (https://www.vaildaily.com/news/law-professor-national-popular-vote-bill-may-create-constitutional-conundrum/)

Liberals supporting this measure do not appear to realize that strong conservatives in this nation are a plurality ó not a majority, necessarily, but a strong plurality, Natelson said.

"A strong right-wing candidate could win a plurality and every other state would be forced to vote for them," Natelson said.

This happens regularly in countries with direct vote elections, Natelson said.

"Mexico's presidents are often elected with 40 percent of the popular vote," Natelson said, noting the Electoral College is there as a check and balance to direct vote elections.

Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2019, 10:45:59 am
The loser is always a horrible candidate

He lost by 50,000 votes in Ohio to the apparently super popular Bush
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 11:09:05 am
let's get the fact straight on Ohio 2004

United States presidential election in Ohio, 2004
Party    Candidate    Votes    Percentage    Electoral votes
Republican    Bush    2,859,768    50.8%    20
Democratic    Kerry    2,741,167    48.7%    0

my math says that Bush got closer to 120,000 more votes...or  a 2.1% margin of victory

yes if 59k of those bush voters, voted for Kerry, he would have won the state and the election...but that's not how it works

So it was close...but it wasn't Florida close
(in 2004 bush crushed FL)
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2019, 11:26:24 am
Name the last person to lose a presidential election you donít think was a terrible candidate?


I will wait
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 12:16:54 pm
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/b9/b91e9dfd8bcfb76f9c76405dd2bcb5594977a54470d77bd7d8ad7052f5c36e2a.jpg)
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 13, 2019, 12:26:16 pm
let's get the fact straight on Ohio 2004

I'm quite certain that's why I said "a shift of 60,000 votes" and not "if he received 60,000 more votes."
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 12:42:50 pm
this appears to be a common way to confuse things

if one person gets 120k votes more than the other person...yes a shift of 60k votes turns the election

but it doesn't work that way and it makes it sound closer than winning by 2.1 percentage points

So you did correctly state your case, but typically election results are not discussed like that
only when you want to make it seem closer

I'm not arguing that this could backfire...but I feel that the Dems have been getting screwed on 5 of 6 elections because of the GOP being able to play the EC like a game of jenga (not sure if that's an accurate metaphor)

The benefit of getting rid of the EC is that elections are decided by 7 or 8 states and millions upon millions votes don't really matter...so what incentive is for them to vote or for presidents to care what goes on in that state
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2019, 01:37:06 pm
Name the last person to lose a presidential election you donít think was a terrible candidate?


I will wait

I didn't vote for him, but I thought McCain was a not terrible candidate. Until he picked Palin for his veep.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 13, 2019, 01:56:16 pm
this appears to be a common way to confuse things

Only one person seems to be confused.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 02:16:45 pm
this appears to be a common way to confuse things

Only one person seems to be confused.

He lost by 50,000 votes in Ohio
are you referring to Hutch?

but I do think when I read your statement, I thought it was the same as Hutch's
As no one really talks about the shift, they just talk about how many votes some one got more than the other person
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2019, 02:22:54 pm
Name the last person to lose a presidential election you donít think was a terrible candidate?


I will wait

I didn't vote for him, but I thought McCain was a not terrible candidate. Until he picked Palin for his veep.

Mr Suspend Campaign?!?
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 02:30:02 pm
Mr Suspend Campaign?!?
totally forgot about that one

this timeline is interesting...mostly for it's commentary
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/10/the-john-mccain-campaignsuspension-timeline

9/23
McCain admits he hasnít yet read the three-page bailout proposal Ö
Ö because he was too busy, proof that he would need to suspend his campaign to properly address the crisis.
Ö because he doesnít know how to open a PDF document.

9/25
On the first day of campaign suspension, McCainís Web site is still live, and still accepting donations.
Ö because John McCain doesnít have time to fix his Web site when heís busy fixing the economy.
Ö because he will need the funds when the campaign resumes.




I do agree with Space...McCain was a formidable candidate, not that I would have ever voted for him
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2019, 03:52:40 pm
I thought we were talking about who ran a good campaign? My point was people always say the loser ran a poor campaign (was a bad candidate) and the winner a good one when in reality it is often not so

Trumpís campaign was a daily shitshow...he went through 3-4 campaign managers...HRC substantially outraised Trump, HRC ran a tight DNC convention compared to the RNC, Trump lost every debate to HRC who did commit a few unforced errors but her campaign was fairly tight

But people voted for Trump...instead of blaming her blame the people but itís easier for people to say that she must have ran a bad campaign cause she lost
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2019, 04:12:59 pm
And I thought by terrible candidate you meant someone who ran a bad campaign because campaigning is what a candidate does....but maybe you mean something else?
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 13, 2019, 04:49:29 pm
but I do think when I read your statement, I thought it was the same as Hutch's
As no one really talks about the shift, they just talk about how many votes some one got more than the other person

I can only write in English, however, that doesn't prevent readers from seeing what they want to see.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 04:55:07 pm
but I do think when I read your statement, I thought it was the same as Hutch's
As no one really talks about the shift, they just talk about how many votes some one got more than the other person

I can only write in English, however, that doesn't prevent readers from seeing what they want to see.
long story short...you are not going to admit this is not the way MOST people discuss election results?
and English is my second language...gibberish is my first
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 05:03:04 pm
And I thought by terrible candidate you meant someone who ran a bad campaign because campaigning is what a candidate does....but maybe you mean something else?
Honestly, I meant that Kerry was a dead fish and has zero charisma
platform was good, but was hard to like the guy
It's interesting to revisit now, as I wasn't as politically involved in 2004
So I have no remembrance of how the campaign was run, I do think Rove was very effective at controlling the nartive with the voting public
But I didn't realize how close Kerry was to winning
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: vansmack on March 13, 2019, 05:04:13 pm
The last thing Smackie is going to be is MOST people.

And no, I won't dumb down my speech.  Not even for this board.

It's OK that you misread it - mistakes happen.  And I stand by my point, made here for all to see.  The National Popular Vote may not be the silver bullet for Democrats it's currently being touted as.

That's all.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2019, 05:10:46 pm
I object to the electoral college not because it costs democrats elections but because itís an outdated undemocratic relic....how is it possible a candidate becomes president with 3 million less votes...that is lame...doesnít matter who is getting screwed
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 05:21:52 pm
I object to the electoral college not because it costs democrats elections
The National Popular Vote may not be the silver bullet for Democrats it's currently being touted as.
I know it benefits the Dems...which I'm a proud member of
But I think if you do the math, there are more Dems and we should be winning more elections
and as it has been posted here before by others, they have to do MORE than win a majority to win elections...that is bullshit
You win 50.01% of the vote...you should win
These small states are mostly Red and they know that the way the EC is set up protects their asses
Rather than playing fair, they are OK with a flawed system because it benefits them
I think my stance is much different.

The thing I like about NPV is it's a simple concept and hard to logically argue (trust me they have their talking points ready)
I think we could get a lot support from independents on this as it has nothing to do with a liberal stance on anything
 
I agree that we should be cautious, but that all of our elections are focused on a few states is a big problem
and the whole winner take all in states really makes democratic voters not even interested in voting as they know it's 5 to 1...but if they knew they vote would be a part of the national election, I do think it would have a positive impact

My concern is after all this effort to get this through...it will just get tied up in the courts and never be able to be implemented
I think the appropriate way to do this is with an amendment, but with out winning elections at the national level, that's not going to happen
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 28, 2019, 10:36:25 pm
Why do I get the feeling this sounds good now, but the first time it is used it's going to fuck me over?
Will you need lubricant?
The fighting blue hen's governor Carny signs.

184 is closer to 270...but still a long long way away.

In the coverage they keep saying how it would have changed the last election
while that's true
I think it should focus more on the 'one person one vote' in your state

 The kerry example in Ohio is often cited too
 I just think the likelihood of it screwing the Dems is really low and the potential for good is high.
I think it's a good issue to run with because it's not really that controversial in general most like the idea....
it's simple

Unlike...the environment religion taxes unions government workers reproductive freedom undocumented and guns (of course)....all those topics suck there's no way not to alienate a large part of country when you pick a stance on one side


I think Trump could potentially be a unifying moment for the Democratic party...or fall flat on their collective faces as they so often do

I know it is shallow to say...but we really need charisma, boatloads of it.  They are all fairly simliar ( ok pop quiz who is for 1. Sex workers 2. Banning circumcision 3. Jamming with Bob wier)
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on March 28, 2019, 10:55:10 pm
I think Trump could potentially be a unifying moment for the Democratic party...or fall flat on their collective faces as they so often do

I know it is shallow to say...but we really need charisma, boatloads of it.  They are all fairly simliar ( ok pop quiz who is for 1. Sex workers 2. Banning circumcision 3. Jamming with Bob wier)
You forgot to log into the Walkie account.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 04, 2019, 09:50:12 am
Why do I get the feeling this sounds good now, but the first time it is used it's going to fuck me over?
Will you need lubricant?
The fighting blue hen's governor Carny signs.

184 is closer to 270...but still a long long way away.

ok pop quiz who is for 1. Sex workers 2. Banning circumcision 3. Jamming with Bob wier

On April 3, 2019, Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham signed the National Popular Vote bill  making New Mexico the 15th jurisdiction to have enacted the bill into law.

It has been enacted into law in 15 states with 189 electoral votes: DC, DE, HI, RI, VT, CO, CT, MD, MA, NM, WA, CA, IL, NJ and NY. 

81 more to go

things are looking up in Ohio (18 votes) to put it on the ballot this year https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190401/ohioans-might-vote-on-issue-to-give-presidency-to-national-popular-vote-winner

Oregon had some news yesterday too
On April 3, 2019, the Senate Rules Committee approved the National Popular Vote bill (status of SB 870).  The bill now goes to the Senate floor


then we'd only need 63 more out of these 10 states!
another 72 electoral votes have passed the measure in one legislative chamber in these states: Arkansas, Arizona, Maine, Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, and Oregon.
at the state level there is bi-partisan support
40Ė16 vote in the Republican-controlled Arizona House
28Ė18 in Republican-controlled Oklahoma Senate
approved unanimously by committee votes in Republican-controlled states GA and MO

Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 15, 2019, 12:52:08 pm
In 2004, President Bush won the popular vote 62,040,610 to John Kerry's 59,028,444.  If Kerry had won Ohio (shift Ohio votes by 60,000), he would have won the electoral college and still lost the popular vote.

As I said in my comment before, manage your expectations carefully.
David Frum tweeted something interesting along these lines recently...and I was a little shocked to hear how close the 76 election was


In 1976, Ford lost Ohio by 11,000 votes; Hawaii by 4,000. Slightly different bounce to the game, he'd have been re-elected over Carter in the Electoral College, although losing the popular vote.

I still think you can't compare elections under the EC vs NPV
as voters in deep red or deep blue states currently are discouraged to vote because of the 'winner take all' provisions


also learned that Kennedy lost popular vote in 60
I also learned that kennedy only won the popular vote by 112k in 60
https://www.redwinepolitics.com/syrah/red-stateblue-state
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on August 15, 2019, 01:22:04 pm
Kennedy lost the popular vote?!?


On what planet did this happen?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 15, 2019, 02:30:06 pm
Kennedy lost the popular vote?!?


On what planet did this happen?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election

My bad...#fakenews
...the graphics were pretty bad on that red wine site when I looked at real quick..

but it was only 112k lead
a margin of 0.17 percent
that's a rounding error

He did get 303 to 219 in the EC...but barely won the PV
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 09, 2019, 02:25:21 pm
oh...by the way....the 2018 midterms are still not over yet

got a special election today in NC with McCready   v Bishop
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 10, 2019, 09:06:25 pm
ok...I see I posted that the election was Monday...so I messed that one up (surely wasn't the first and won't be the last)

McCready barely in the lead but looking good people
we need this one, if just for the trump tears
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 10, 2019, 09:41:20 pm
Nail biter
79% in and bishop is up by over 2k votes
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: hutch on September 10, 2019, 09:44:07 pm
Sidehatch kiss of death?
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 10, 2019, 10:08:01 pm
Sidehatch kiss of death?
Sad but true
95% in and they still havenít called it
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 10, 2019, 10:22:27 pm
Fuck
Trump helped just enough
In a district trump took by 12 points
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: WalkOnBack on September 10, 2019, 11:22:54 pm
Fuck
Trump helped just enough
In a district trump took by 12 points

Dude, what do you expect?  The people of NC, hate.  They hate black people, Arab people, Spanish speaking people, gay people, transgender people, non Christian people, liberal people, dog people, cat people, the beautiful people, the ugly people, trailer trash people, yuppie mcmansion people, NBC people, CBS people, food stamp people, lottery winner people, smart people, city slicker people, Darwinist people, Hollywood  people, anti tobacco people, and you . . . they really hate, tourist people.
Title: Re: The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread
Post by: the Meryl Streep of bordies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 11, 2019, 08:48:00 am
Fuck
Trump helped just enough
In a district trump took by 12 points

Dude, what do you expect? 
it was really close in an election that anyone with an R should have taken by 10-12 points
It would have been a really nice win to give confidence that Trump will lose in 2020 if you can flip a district like that
In the end they won it and will be all smug like it was a MANDATE, but they were shaking in their boots for a little while there
and Trump definitely helped, so that means all the GOP will be kissing his ass even more (if that's even possible)