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Title: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2018, 11:45:25 am
Ok...midterms have terminated

early contenders for Dem Nomination?

Beto
Cory Booker
Gavin Newsom
Al Franken?!

No longer contenders
Hil
Bernie
Liz Warren
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on November 07, 2018, 12:06:42 pm
Gavin Newsom will wait until 2024.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on November 07, 2018, 12:28:28 pm
Bloomberg.  Because America is ready for a short Jewish president!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on November 09, 2018, 04:00:53 pm
These are the 33 Senate seats up for election in 2020. 

20 (likely 21) of the 33 are Republican held seats.

Alabama   Doug Jones   Democratic   
Alaska   Dan Sullivan   Republican
Arkansas   Tom Cotton   Republican
Colorado   Cory Gardner   Republican
Delaware   Chris Coons   Democratic
Georgia   David Perdue   Republican
Idaho   Jim Risch   Republican
Illinois   Dick Durbin   Democratic
Iowa   Joni Ernst   Republican
Kansas   Pat Roberts   Republican
Kentucky   Mitch McConnell   Republican
Louisiana   Bill Cassidy   Republican   
Maine   Susan Collins   Republican   
Massachusetts   Ed Markey   Democratic   
Michigan   Gary Peters   Democratic   
Minnesota   Tina Smith   Democratic
Mississippi   TBD    (2018 Special Election)
Montana   Steve Daines   Republican
Nebraska    Ben Sasse   Republican
New Hampshire   Jeanne Shaheen  Democratic
New Jersey   Cory Booker   Democratic
New Mexico   Tom Udall   Democratic
North Carolina   Thom Tillis   Republican
Oklahoma   Jim Inhofe   Republican
Oregon   Jeff Merkley   Democratic   
Rhode Island   Jack Reed   Democratic
South Carolina   Lindsey Graham   Republican
South Dakota   Mike Rounds   Republican
Tennessee   Lamar Alexander   Republican
Texas   John Cornyn   Republican
Virginia   Mark Warner   Democratic   
West Virginia   Shelley Moore Capito   Republican
Wyoming   Mike Enzi   Republican   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on November 09, 2018, 04:05:30 pm
Elections will have been suspended by then. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on November 09, 2018, 04:10:52 pm
Elections will have been suspended by then. 

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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2018, 07:12:00 pm
These are the 33 Senate seats up for election in 2020. 

20 (likely 21) of the 33 are Republican held seats.

Alabama   Doug Jones   Democratic   
Alaska   Dan Sullivan   Republican
Arkansas   Tom Cotton   Republican
Colorado   Cory Gardner   Republican
Delaware   Chris Coons   Democratic
Georgia   David Perdue   Republican
Idaho   Jim Risch   Republican
Illinois   Dick Durbin   Democratic
Iowa   Joni Ernst   Republican
Kansas   Pat Roberts   Republican
Kentucky   Mitch McConnell   Republican
Louisiana   Bill Cassidy   Republican   
Maine   Susan Collins   Republican   
Massachusetts   Ed Markey   Democratic   
Michigan   Gary Peters   Democratic   
Minnesota   Tina Smith   Democratic
Mississippi   TBD    (2018 Special Election)
Montana   Steve Daines   Republican
Nebraska    Ben Sasse   Republican
New Hampshire   Jeanne Shaheen  Democratic
New Jersey   Cory Booker   Democratic
New Mexico   Tom Udall   Democratic
North Carolina   Thom Tillis   Republican
Oklahoma   Jim Inhofe   Republican
Oregon   Jeff Merkley   Democratic   
Rhode Island   Jack Reed   Democratic
South Carolina   Lindsey Graham   Republican
South Dakota   Mike Rounds   Republican
Tennessee   Lamar Alexander   Republican
Texas   John Cornyn   Republican
Virginia   Mark Warner   Democratic   
West Virginia   Shelley Moore Capito   Republican
Wyoming   Mike Enzi   Republican   


The Senate is a huge problem for Democrats
And it’s not going to get better soon.
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18072464/senate-midterm-election-results-democrats-disadvantage (https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18072464/senate-midterm-election-results-democrats-disadvantage)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 09, 2018, 08:41:03 pm
Trump's 2020 campaign manager looks like a douchey bro who would be vaping while standing in line for beer.
(https://goo.gl/images/u62T2z)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 09, 2018, 08:44:26 pm
Ok...midterms have terminated

early contenders for Dem Nomination?

Beto
Cory Booker
Gavin Newsom
Al Franken?!

No longer contenders
Hil
Bernie
Liz Warren

Do you really think Al Franken is more likely than Warren or Bernie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 10, 2018, 12:45:49 am
1. Biden
2. Kamala
2. Sanders



Franken much as I live him is done
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 10, 2018, 02:59:17 pm
I like Steve Bullock, Amy Klobuchar, and Beto.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 10, 2018, 04:11:58 pm
Oh I was not saying who I like


I will decide during primaries...willing to give kamala Harris a good look
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 10, 2018, 04:35:49 pm
I like Kamala, but I like her in the Senate. I just don't think POC+Progressive Wing+California=Winning General Electon Ticket
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on November 10, 2018, 04:38:33 pm
Already auditioning for that role is an eclectic group of ambitious Democrats, including three senators who appear all but certain to run: Kamala Harris of California, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Cory Booker of New Jersey. All three have moved well past the point of simply weighing a candidacy, and are assembling the infrastructure for a campaign as they prepare to make their final decisions.

Two potentially formidable entrants, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and Mayor Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles acknowledged this week that they are considering campaigns. And Gov. Steve Bullock of Montana was in New York in the days after the election meeting with wealthy party donors, introducing himself as a dark horse from a red state with the ability to reach out to rural America.

Democrats Have Two Paths for 2020: Daring or Defensive. Can They Settle on Either? (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/us/politics/democrats-2020-president.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 10, 2018, 05:37:44 pm
I will not support Gillibrand in any way

That I can tell you
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2018, 11:10:13 pm
Richard Ojeda (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/can-a-trump-voter-from-west-virginia-win-the-2020-democratic-primary/)
I do think voting for trump and people knowing
... seems like a bad way to start a bid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 15, 2018, 11:12:39 am
A Kamala/Sinema ticket would be the foxiest ticket ever.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 21, 2018, 04:30:06 pm
Beto O’Rourke blows up the 2020 Democratic primary (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/beto-orourke-2020-democratic-primary-995353?fbclid=IwAR2H9CWivtICuvnGiQVbLLmiZYmepSr12uSUnwd2ygOVr3ArhFBRgFE4K98)
freezing Democratic donors and potential campaign staffers in place as they await word of his plans.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 21, 2018, 02:11:48 pm
I'm not sure that the rope-a-dope technique on the democratic voter is the right approach

Democrats will hold 12 debates for the 2020 presidential contest
 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democrats-will-hold-12-debates-2020-presidential-contest-n950391)
Six debates will take place in 2019, DNC Chairman Tom Perez said, and six in 2020

jez Democratic front-runners for 2020? There are 31 -Chris Cillizza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdbd6nBzGH0)
John Kerry is thinking about it !?!

Sexy Veagan (https://theoutline.com/post/4434/allow-us-to-introduce-the-next-president-of-the-united-states-sexy-vegan?zd=1&zi=mm6qgiy7) should really pick Deez nuts as his running mate

oh man missed this news at the time....
The Federal Election Commission Is Cracking Down on Deez Nuts and Dat A$$ (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a47854/federal-election-commission-deez-nuts/)
Say goodbye to your favorite fake presidential candidates.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on December 21, 2018, 04:37:15 pm
Pelosi, bitch . . . Pelosi.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 31, 2018, 12:44:37 pm
 Elizabeth Warren made it official
well announced an exploratory committee...but kind of the same thing

although just saw this Most voters will likely be surprised to learn she’s only eight years younger than Sanders.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 31, 2018, 12:48:00 pm
Awful potential candidate. Would get crushed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on December 31, 2018, 01:01:10 pm
Potentially our first Native American president.  How exciting!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2018, 01:02:30 pm
My wife asked her dad why he voted for Trump.

Answer:

Because the Republicans are useless and the Democrats represent everything I am against. And Trump seemed like the best hope against them both.

Who is the candidate who will woo him? Or should we just hope for him to die?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2018, 01:34:02 pm
Well wether to woo or not depends on wether a person is wooable but anyone who says democrats represent everything they are against is hopeless at this point...democrats are going to move left during the primaries...

I kind of have come to conclude that the whole appeal to undecideds or independents theory is bullshit...,excite your base...get them out and convert more people to your ideas NOT act wushu washy and water down your stances to appeal to a person who despises everything about your party thus alienating your base and making sure they don’t turn out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2018, 01:41:50 pm
Warren would lose but that does not mean she should not run


I say let them all run...the more the better...

I don’t get people who get annoyed when people they think would not make a good candidate choose to run for President


I think Warren has no shot but maybe she will bring some good ideas to the table and someone else can choose to adopt them...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2018, 02:14:35 pm
Well wether to woo or not depends on wether a person is wooable but anyone who says democrats represent everything they are against is hopeless at this point...democrats are going to move left during the primaries...

I kind of have come to conclude that the whole appeal to undecideds or independents theory is bullshit...,excite your base...get them out and convert more people to your ideas NOT act wushu washy and water down your stances to appeal to a person who despises everything about your party thus alienating your base and making sure they don’t turn out

He's a devout Catholic who does daily bible readings. By "everything I'm against" I'm sure he means "Democrats want to kill "babies.""

Because other than the abortion issue, it seems to me that the Democratic party is much more in line with Jesus' teachings than the Republican party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 31, 2018, 02:18:57 pm
I'm going to be a contrarian on this thread, but I totally disagree that she would get crushed and has no chance
She's not my top pick for sure, but I think she does inspire the base and the youth vote and as Hutch said, she might bring some good issues to the forefront that another candidate will say "that's not a bad idea and people seem to like it...thanks liz"

still pissed off at her for giving in to Trump and making her DNA test public...that was a stupid move and may show that she's not fit to run against trump
..evidenced by
Potentially our first Native American president.  How exciting!

of course Trump re-neged on his offer to donate to charity too (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/411414-trump-denies-offering-1-million-for-warren-dna-test-even-though-he) Trump on Elizabeth Warren, 7/5/2018: "I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian."

but it's not like his base (or the whole freakin elected GOP) cares if he keeps to his word or ever tells the truth
I think it's really sad that 1/3 of the country really doesn't care if the president actually tells the truth on a regular basis?!
ends justifies the means...we get our judges and tax breaks...who cares about the rest of that other stuff it's just noize from the fake news liberal media
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2018, 02:46:35 pm
Well then there is no point trying to woo him as the democrats see being pro choice as a key part of their platform and that ain’t going to change

Personally I am pro life for MYSELF but since I can’t have babies by myself it matters not a whit...but I just don’t feel comfortable telling someone else what to do on this

I do think the democrats overdo it though...can’t we be pro choice and at the same time do more to encourage people not to abort?!? Is that so wrong?!? Can’t we accept abortion is a bad outcome?

I wish so hard we had not miscarried what would have been my third kid...now we are too old and I have accepted I will not have more kids...but boy did I want that one...life is precious and babies are such a blessing that even though I am pro choice I will always have trouble with abortion...millions of babies never born...it’s crazy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 31, 2018, 02:53:50 pm
man, with your stance on Immigration coupled with your statement below...you might have to turn in your democrat card

I do agree we've created a situation where Democrats can't talk about either of these topics unless it's exactly on the party line
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2018, 02:56:56 pm
Well then there is no point trying to woo him as the democrats see being pro choice as a key part of their platform and that ain’t going to change

Personally I am pro life for MYSELF but since I can’t have babies by myself it matters not a whit...but I just don’t feel comfortable telling someone else what to do on this

I do think the democrats overdo it though...can’t we be pro choice and at the same time do more to encourage people not to abort?!? Is that so wrong?!? Can’t we accept abortion is a bad outcome?

I wish so hard we had not miscarried what would have been my third kid...now we are too old and I have accepted I will not have more kids...but boy did I want that one...life is precious and babies are such a blessing that even though I am pro choice I will always have trouble with abortion...millions of babies never born...it’s crazy

My thought on abortion is if you're against it, don't have one.

He also cancelled his Netflix account, I think in part because of Michelle Wolf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w955V6ULd4 Her vile, flip attitude is enough the make many retch. He probably thinks she represents all Dems.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2018, 02:58:29 pm
man, with your stance on Immigration coupled with your statement below...you might have to turn in your democrat card

I do agree we've created a situation where Democrats can't talk about either of these topics unless it's exactly on the party line

I don't remember his exact stance on immigrants, but agree with him 100% on abortion.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 31, 2018, 04:04:44 pm
man, with your stance on Immigration coupled with your statement below...you might have to turn in your democrat card

I do agree we've created a situation where Democrats can't talk about either of these topics unless it's exactly on the party line

I don't remember his exact stance on immigrants, but agree with him 100% on abortion.
whoa...100% agreement with hutch...is this bizarro day

My thought on abortion is if you're against it, don't have one.
I just don't think it's that simple.  You can say that about Howard Stern, but I think it's way more coplex when talking about the medical procedure to terminate ones pregnancy
there is some Scientific and Moral implications that society has to weigh in on that we all are accountable for
The irony is the same people who want to ban access to abortion are the same people who want to take away welfare/food stamps and other things that are very charitable and dare I say Jesus-like

I do also cry bullshit that men can't weigh in on this topic, but I'm in agreement that its essential to have women at the table in this dicussion
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 02, 2019, 06:56:31 pm


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dv4dAjjU8AAVwPC.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2019, 01:25:04 pm
Bernie ... Don't Run (https://www.timesargus.com/opinion/perspective/don-t-run/article_290102b1-d007-5ef3-8342-8c132265f27d.html?fbclid=IwAR1nKZxtpeQf-QeLDmIX4L8hDHcMkuEoQ4Ir_yQbMSsjKZcjTp7T4n_n0kY)
Bernie Sanders' hometown paper doesn't want him to run for president
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2019, 03:02:28 pm
I think they are all running

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 12, 2019, 06:53:03 pm
He’s not going to win, but there’s something about the Julian For The Future tagline thats awfully faith-inspiring.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2019, 09:45:18 pm
He’s not going to win, but there’s something about the Julian For The Future tagline thats awfully faith-inspiring.
You have to start the thread and it will come true
How do you think relaxer did it....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on January 16, 2019, 01:48:54 pm
I will not support Gillibrand in any way

That I can tell you

Kirsten Gillibrand Announces Presidential Bid (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/gillibrand-president-election.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2019, 02:16:41 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 16, 2019, 02:41:04 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on January 16, 2019, 03:07:23 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?

In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 16, 2019, 03:15:04 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?

In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."

so she's honest... how is that a negative?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2019, 03:17:35 pm
tooten a space... where you been?? or maybe this is your troll attempt so i better make it short...lest i fall into trolland.

she basically pushed Al Franken out of the Senate.... no due process..that is why..


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2019, 03:18:12 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?

In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."

so she's honest... how is that a negative?

I object! Another strike against here....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2019, 03:29:31 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?

In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."

so she's honest... how is that a negative?

I object! Another strike against here....
she is DEAD to me now...how dare she

and the wapo agrees!  ...they are DEAD too
Kirsten Gillibrand shouldn’t apologize. Arlington really is 'soulless. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/10/kirsten-gillibrand-shouldnt-apologize-arlington-really-is-soulless)

tho...this is accurate and the street map is an incoherent and baffling series of dead-ending curlicues reminiscent of a bowl of spaghetti. and this Arlington also lacks a physical center,
But I will say this article is bullshit as we have TONS of trees, sidewalks and bike lanes/paths
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2019, 05:08:14 pm
She's my leading candidate now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2019, 10:46:47 pm
Well she is absolutely ruthless...I can see how that would appeal to you...

She came to congress as a blue dog democrat... now she has repositioned herself as a liberal...

Progressives can't stand her (they probably hate her more than any candidate other than Tulsi Gabbard) and this election progressives are going to have an even bigger impact than last time..the party has moved to the left.... I suppose the only real shot at stopping a progressive is probably Biden.. unless you define Harris as a more centrist democrat..

I have talked to democrats that can't stand Gillibrand because of the way she threw Franken under the  bus..


In a primary process with so many candidates maybe anything can happen though...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 17, 2019, 09:52:06 am
in good news....Just 30 percent of registered voters said they will definitely vote for Trump in 2020, while 57 percent said they will definitely vote against him. (https://www.npr.org/2019/01/17/685539207/poll-trump-approval-down-slips-with-base)
Although I agree this means nothing, but makes me feel a little better that he won't get reelected
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 17, 2019, 10:06:53 am
If democrats just put up Biden without any primaries he would beat Trump but after 18 months of primaries and bloodshed and the media who knows what emerges....

You are right it means nothing...I recall Feb 2006 we were all convinced McCain would defeat Hillary for the presidency
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 17, 2019, 10:07:19 am
Blaming Gillibrand for Franken's bad behavior is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I weep for a Democratic voting bloc that makes it because its horseshit. The people who are arguing it are amoral shitheads.

Franken acknowledged that he made mistakes (while qualifying that with "I don't remember all of these alleged incidences"), called for an ethics investigation into himself, and then resigned. His behavior was bad and Gillibrand did not make him do it. She was right to call his behavior deplorable because -- and here's the thing-- it was, the same way Trump (who should also resign) and Roy Moore's behavior was deplorable. But what Gillibrand did not do is make Franken do is resign. He is -- what the kids refer to as -- "a grown ass man." Kirsten Gillibrand didn't make him do jackshit; I must have missed that photo of her putting him in an armbar on the Senate floor and making him tap out. She called on a person who should resign to resign and then he did. Fin.

If you want to know how far we still have to go on sexual issues look no further then our 9:30 Virtue Signaler in Chief literally shitting on a woman for calling for a man to resign, as he should, after his deplorable behavior. This continues the long American tradition (as also seen with Kavanaugh, that Maryland football coach, et al) of nothing being as sacrosanct as rich white guy's job security.

Fuck Al Franken. Mild applause to Kristin Gillibrand. And I say this as someone who very likely would not vote for Gillibrand in a primary.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 17, 2019, 10:10:30 am
Whatever dude..your usual load of crap....the way to handle Franken was to have an investigation not force him to resign without due process

To compare the Franken case to Kavanaugh is ridiculous...rapes against allegedly  squeezing a butt cheek or a dumb pic
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 17, 2019, 10:19:32 am
Kavanaugh was not accused of any "rapes" by anyone remotely credible (Blasey-Ford alleged a sexual assault the same as Franken's victims), and any attempt to obfuscate the multiple credible accounts of groping by Franken (including by Democratic staffers) is gross.

The point remains, Kristin Gillibrand did not make Al Franken do anything. She was right to call for his resignation and blaming her for his actions or his choice to resign is garbage. I'm so sorry a rich, white guy you agreed with doesn't get to be a Senator anymore. Fucking bitches, eh?

Go tear some tickets.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 17, 2019, 10:22:06 am
Wow...nobody “remotely credible”

Ok...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 17, 2019, 10:28:12 am
So allegations against Franken aren't actionable until there's an investigation but people who refuse to testify against Kavanaugh who cannot even provide a scintilla of evidence they were in the same building as him at any point in their life and who later admit disavow the claim, that's rock solid gospel? Got it.

Again, sorry a rich white guy you like was held accountable for his deplorable actions. Go back to a dry recitation of what South American acoustic white-label test pressings that none of us care about you're listening to. You're super terrific at that. Hell, you're the GOAT.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 17, 2019, 10:34:41 am
The mental gymnastics it takes to think Trump is unfit to serve because of his sexual assaults and Brett Kavanaugh is unfit to have his job because of his sexual assault allegations but Al Franken WHO RESIGNED OF HIS OWN VOLITION was somehow unfairly punished (by himself??) and its all that evil woman who didn't sexually assault anyone's fault is staggering. And it would be somewhat amusing if this was a view held by some random dude on a nightclub message board but it's downright depressing when it's the view of approximately 20% of the members in the supposedly progressive party of the country.

Al Franken revisionist history is a terrible look for the Dems. The sheer hypocrisy is galling. We should be better than this.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 17, 2019, 10:38:33 am
The mental gymnastics required to equate Trump and Kavanaugh with Franken is astounding but maybe explains why Trump is President, Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court and Franken at home playing with his grandkids.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 17, 2019, 10:41:32 am
Who knew Julian hated rich white men so much?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 17, 2019, 10:43:33 am
Denying Al Franken was forced out....wow

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 17, 2019, 10:43:53 am
Who knew Julian hated rich white men so much?
LOL
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 17, 2019, 10:48:14 am
I wish I had more South American test pressings....they really don’t exist...I don’t think I own one


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 17, 2019, 12:47:55 pm
I wish I had more South American test pressings....they really don’t exist...I don’t think I own one

Who would be the most likely candidate to promise more South American test pressings?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 17, 2019, 12:49:38 pm
I wish I had more South American test pressings....they really don’t exist...I don’t think I own one

Who would be the most likely candidate to promise more South American test pressings?
Is it racist if I link to https://www.julianforthefuture.com/ now?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 17, 2019, 01:19:34 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/gLsNiyZ.jpg)
looking good man...too bad you couldn't take MI tho...
also with all the felons voting in FL, I think you'll take that too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 22, 2019, 10:38:27 am
I thought this article was pretty awesome. Warning, it's long.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/21/connie-schultz-sherrod-brown-donald-trump-democratic-primary-2020-223416
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on January 24, 2019, 08:12:11 am
Joe Biden accepts $200k to stump for Republican congressman (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/politics/biden-speech-fred-upton.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 24, 2019, 08:25:02 am
Damn that is pretty shocking
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 24, 2019, 09:58:19 am
Damn that is pretty shocking
agreed
...quick question though...doesn't this counter the narrative that nytimes is a mouthpiece for the dems/liberals?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on January 24, 2019, 01:42:55 pm
Damn that is pretty shocking
agreed
...quick question though...doesn't this counter the narrative that nytimes is a mouthpiece for the dems/liberals?

Kind of like how Alan Colmes countered the narrative that Fox News is a mouthpiece for the GOP/conservatives?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Bagley on January 24, 2019, 02:21:10 pm
Ben Stein's a whiny bitch


https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/01/23/ben-stein-compares-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dictators-such-hitler-stalin/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9256552e7a8a
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 24, 2019, 02:27:59 pm
He sure is
also was a speechwriter for former president Richard Nixon...that speaks volumes

 he said this about an Obama rally
Seventy-five thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that’s something the führer would have done,” Stein said. “And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past.”


 Trump has done 33 #MAGA campaign rallies...and they really look like something the führer would have done


So he loves to call dems hilter


Lastly AOC isn't running for pres in 2020 (she will be too young)...but we don't really have a general political thread
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 24, 2019, 02:49:55 pm
AOC is rocking it

A breath of fresh air
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 28, 2019, 03:20:51 pm
The past couple of weeks, I've probably had a half dozen homeless black guys try to hit me up for money. Always for 50 cents or "two quarters."

Today a white homeless guy try to hit me up for a dollar.

Fucking White entitlement.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 28, 2019, 04:53:17 pm
not really sure that ended up in the 2020 thread
maybe "things homeless people say to me when I'm trying to ignore them"?

So Howard "Starbucks" Schultz throwing his hat in as an Independent

god we don't need a third party on the liberal side...how much would that suck if trump won 2020 with only 35% of the vote if the independent pulled 20% of the 'anti-trump' vote

I think we should really be massively be fund raising for a 3rd party conservative
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 28, 2019, 07:13:46 pm
I don’t get people that tell people not to run....seems very anti-democratic and un American


Now I can see trying to convince people not to vote third party once all candidates are announced for general but at this early point?

Anyone who wants to be president should run to be president...the more the better
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 28, 2019, 09:39:19 pm
I don’t get people that tell people not to run....seems very anti-democratic and un American


Now I can see trying to convince people not to vote third party once all candidates are announced for general but at this early point?

Anyone who wants to be president should run to be president...the more the better

I think Trump is more un-American and anti-democratic than telling a left-center guy not to run as an independent. Can't Ross Perot run as the independent choice instead of Schultz?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 28, 2019, 10:02:43 pm
I think Perot is dead 💀

I can’t stand people saying Bernie should not run Biden should not Hillary should not

Let anyone run and the voters decide

Now if someone actually runs and does and says things to intentionally torpedo the Democratic Party emerging nominee then I could see having a problem with that...

It really takes the cake to see people who celebrated Bernie and his scorched earth run in 2016 criticize people for merely saying they might want to run for President
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 28, 2019, 10:05:50 pm
Trying to scare people about a guy like Schultz running because Trump is so terrible is weak....democrats need to run and win on issues and not simply the anti-trump message....Hillary tried that to some degree...attack Trump on his strong suit issues like immigration by coming up with something better not simply saying Trump is Hitler
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 28, 2019, 10:29:40 pm
Perot is most certainly not dead.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 28, 2019, 10:38:22 pm
Perot is most certainly not dead.
Unless you’ve spoken to him in the last few minutes, this is really irresponsible.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 28, 2019, 10:54:21 pm
The Republican Party is so solidly brainwashed and behind Trump I am not sure anyone can bleed much support from him...not even - I stand corrected- an 89 year old Perot
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 29, 2019, 01:00:51 am
The Republican Party is so solidly brainwashed and behind Trump I am not sure anyone can bleed much support from him...not even - I stand corrected- an 89 year old Perot

eh, i'm not sure of that.  there is a solid segement of the voting population - around a third of the electorate - that will indeed support trump no matter what he does (including shooting someone on 5th ave).  but between that third and the 50'ish% that he needs to get elected again - that's the segment that is vulnerable. (reminder: trump won 2016 with 46.1%, so if 1/3 is correct then he needs to muster another ~13%).

one scenario i can foresee is trump easily winning the nom again because his base is fervent - they'll come out to the primary polls.  highly unlikely any challenger could muster that much enthusiasm from their supporters.  do you see throngs of voters showing up on polling day for, say, larry hogan?!?  after the nomination is secured he'll need to convince that 13% to vote for him, and that's where things (hopefully) fall apart - that 13% of folks "willing to give him a chance" are unlikely to be as generous in 2020.  they gave him a chance, and currently trump is polling below 40%... so he's coming up short.

this assumes the dems can come up with a halfway decent candidate.  still plenty of time for the donkeys to f*ck things up. 

i was reading about a disheartening debate among some dems that the country isn't ready for a female president and that's why they lost in 2016, so despite the optics maybe they should focus on a male candidate because it's too risky to test the waters with another woman... i don't support this opinion, but it's out there.  ugh.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 29, 2019, 08:35:17 am
i don't support this opinion, but it's out there.  ugh.
wise man once said "opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 29, 2019, 08:50:08 am
I don’t really care if it can’t happen as the battle must continue to be fought but if Hillary could not do it.....

People are lying to themselves if they believe her being a woman was not an important factor in her ”loss”.... people can’t face the uncomfortable truth so they blame her for being “unlikable”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 29, 2019, 08:54:12 am
Currently I have Kamala Harris as the favorite
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 29, 2019, 09:19:58 am
it's all about timing, say Hil went up against Mitt or McCain...I think she would have won

trump's campaign did such a good job a threading that needle
and the fact that his only 'history' was reality tv and tabloids was perfect for the uneducated voter

but  they have things to judge him a little more critically on

Sadly all these presidential elections are decided by people who can't really make a decision and flip flop to what ever candidate has the shiniest pin on their lapel

Hil got 65,845,063  votes.....Obama got 65,915,795 in 2008

Trump strategists were very freaking smart and they successfully took the electoral college with 3 mill less votes


Getting back to the Shultz statement....I'm not saying that he shouldn't run
but he should run in the dem primary, he's got to know if he is a credible candidate that running as an independent would greatly increase trumps re-election chances


Maybe we should turn the tables and go all reality TV with the Dems

They all live in the same house for a few months and every week registered democratic voters would be able to kick someone off the island

This is our election to lose (heard that before)
it's all a bout messaging and the Dems seem to suck (well its more to do with Dems know the world is complex and can't come up with a policy that's 140 characters)

take the news ....U.S. Treasury Set to Borrow $1 Trillion for a Second Year to Finance the Trump Tax Cut

seriously how can someone who calls them self a conservative be like "we need to lower spending and stop increasing the deficit"
but "it's ok to go in debt so big corps and the 1% get an awesome tax cut...hmm also as an avg American, didn't really more than $100 difference in my taxes" "Oh no big deal we don't have money for roads or teachers either, pile on the debt, that's how we solve this problem"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2019, 11:44:06 am
I'd like to see a Brown/Klobuchar or Brown/Harris ticket. Though it would be a chance-y move to give up one or two Senator spots in purple/red states. I like Bullock too, but nobody is going to rally around the governor of Montana.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 29, 2019, 11:52:33 am
Who gives a rat fuck about tickets? It never matters


It’s like something people talk about for no reason
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 29, 2019, 12:01:48 pm
Also saying you want A or B before candidates have even presented their ideas, shown their campaign style, demonstrated debate skills, shown how they will handle incoming fire and dealt with an in depth vetting and any potential skeletons in the closet is absolutely moronic and asking for trouble

The ideal approach is to stay open as long as possible and see how things shake out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2019, 12:10:20 pm
Wow, sounds like someone needs a bj.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 29, 2019, 01:11:21 pm
Someone needs a clue
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 30, 2019, 01:44:03 pm
Podesta says....not Hill (https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-not-running-for-president-in-2020-john-podesta-2019-1)

oh and  Garcetti announced a 'not running' this week
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 30, 2019, 06:17:03 pm
well well well the Dems are putting some quality propsals on the table

course Mitch is pissed....as the GOP rigging of the American voting system may be exposed

Mitch pissed calling it a 'power grab' as Dems try to make election day a federal holiday (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-says-bill-that-would-make-election-day-a-federal-holiday-is-a-power-grab-by-democrats/2019/01/30/57421dd6-24bd-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8016eeb47b56)

The far-reaching legislation would also prohibit the purging of voter rolls, require presidential and vice-presidential candidates to release their tax returns, compel states to adopt independent redistricting commissions and create a matching system for small-dollar donations to congressional campaigns, among other changes.

“Voting is a power grab. By citizens,” Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii)

I like this idea "combining Election Day with Veterans Day" then we don't have to worry about victimizmizing every American taxpayer -mitch's words

They are pissed because all the tricks and scams they do to supress voting are being exposed to light
I really hope the KY voters stick it to Mitch in 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 30, 2019, 07:45:32 pm
Will need to flip senate in 2020 and win presidency to make this a reality...,it really needs to happen

I wonder if Supreme Court would declare it unconstitutional?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 30, 2019, 08:01:54 pm
I mean I could see a firestorm over this....Red states objecting etc
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 30, 2019, 08:31:52 pm
the GOP is blowing my mind as much as trump is these days.  their cynicism is so naked.

I mean I could see a firestorm over this....Red states objecting etc

over what?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 30, 2019, 08:35:17 pm
Ugh...over a mandatory day off on voting day

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 30, 2019, 08:40:32 pm
yeah, they'd go insane.  because after years of snipping a little voters' rights here, a little bit there... it would all be undone, and then some, in one swoop.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 30, 2019, 08:42:26 pm
Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 30, 2019, 08:43:53 pm
Not saying they should but once their overlords on Fox told them what to do they WOULD go nuts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 30, 2019, 08:50:18 pm
Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?

Uh wouldn’t it be like mlk where it just expands?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 30, 2019, 09:21:51 pm
yeah, they'd go insane.  because after years of snipping a little voters' rights here, a little bit there... it would all be undone, and then some, in one swoop.
I know... a simple concept too
this ARE the droids we were looking for!

Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?
I wholeheartly agree, but corporations like wallmart and starbuck will want to do the civic duty (PR) and a lot more "poor" people will easily be able to vote


We've really gotta message this one simple and really drive it into the ground
there is no good argument for not having easy access to voting
but we have to OWN the narative
Hell I'd give trump $10 bill for the wall if he passed some legendary voting reform
he could actually do it and it might be something his base (i.e. not his handelers) would like

Other than the ACA this is the first Act dems have done in a while that seems memorable
this is a winner....we should wait on all the big shit until we figure out how to un rig this system


edit...they've already got a name for it
Democracy Day is the tentative name of a possible federal holiday  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Day_(United_States))
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 01, 2019, 08:07:15 am
 Cory throws his hat in the ring
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2019, 08:12:20 am
Now that is big news
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 01, 2019, 09:44:49 am
I do like Cory...
he's got charisma that so many of the other candidates lack

Tulsi seems to be circling in the toilette bowl
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2019, 10:05:42 am
They are ALL running.....so far
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 01, 2019, 11:42:46 am
Cory throws his hat in the ring

Won't be nominated.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 01, 2019, 11:49:47 am
Cory throws his hat in the ring

Won't be nominated.
please explain?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 01, 2019, 01:03:00 pm

eh, i'm not sure of that.  there is a solid segement of the voting population - around a third of the electorate - that will indeed support trump no matter what he does (including shooting someone on 5th ave).  but between that third and the 50'ish% that he needs to get elected again - that's the segment that is vulnerable. (reminder: trump won 2016 with 46.1%, so if 1/3 is correct then he needs to muster another ~13%).

It's about 40% in the states that matter that are a solid base for Trump, given his consistent polling there.  It's much less arduous a task than you are giving credit.   

it's all about timing, say Hil went up against Mitt or McCain...I think she would have won

I think you grossly underestimate how much voters from both parties disliked Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2019, 01:26:33 pm
Only a couple of years before the election Hillary was the most popular politician in America...sure, after she was taken down by Republicans on Benghazi and the EMAILS and Bernie she was extremely unpopular

So you are correct...she was unpopular but she beat Trump by 3 million votes...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2019, 01:36:41 pm
As far as Trump chances if the economy averages 250k job growth a month for the next 20 months and wages continue to grow I have to think he will be re-elected no matter how ridiculous and objectionable people may find him....

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 01, 2019, 01:50:59 pm
Cory throws his hat in the ring

Won't be nominated.
please explain?

What is there to explain? He won't be the pick.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2019, 01:55:03 pm
Ugh...maybe like WHY do you think Cory Booker won’t be the pick?!?!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 01, 2019, 01:55:29 pm
As far as Trump chances if the economy averages 250k job growth a month for the next 20 months and wages continue to grow I have to think he will be re-elected no matter how ridiculous and objectionable people may find him....
I don't think this will be sustainable...the wheels are starting to come off on this stuff
the shutdown and trade wars could spell disaster for 2019

but I have a feeling we'll be going to war with Venezuela or Mexico by then
so all cards are off the table when predicting the future with trump

I do hope kush or princess trump or DTII get indicted...
my feeling is he doesn't care about any of his close business partners (price of doing business with a crook)
...but if they touch his kids, I think he'll go apeshhit and things will go a little bonkers


This is good news for the dems....
2020 electorate will be least white, most diverse ever
Young voters and immigrants are set to boost Hispanic and Asian share of the voting population in the next presidential contest. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/2020-electorate-will-be-least-white-most-diverse-ever-n964776?fbclid=IwAR19QtpNQ0u9p8pjitdwbiO2Aospu5yfy-ZJPo00vWHtJ6QOntCAwO60DDc)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on February 06, 2019, 09:21:26 am
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-06/warren-called-herself-american-indian-on-1986-bar-registration
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2019, 09:35:37 am
The horror



Geez imagine Trump using this against her in the general....he will eat her alive
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 06, 2019, 09:51:47 am
it's sad that her chances at 2020 will be brought down by this
she's toast...
this is an argument that starting the 2020 primaries 2 years ahead is a bad idea
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 09:56:33 am
it's sad that her chances at 2020 will be brought down by this
she's toast...
this is an argument that starting the 2020 primaries 2 years ahead is a bad idea

Not sad. The sooner she's gone the better. Hillary 2.0 in terms of personality. No way blue collar white men or women from swing states vote for her.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 06, 2019, 10:15:02 am
TBH ...I think she was better running mate material, not anymore
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 10:31:19 am
TBH ...I think she was better running mate material, not anymore

Whose ticket would she add anything to as a running mate? She wouldn't help with the swing state voters like Klobuchar or Brown. She wouldn't help with turning out the minority vote like Harris, Booker, or Castro. She might help turning out a few senior women with men's haircuts, pun maybe slightly intended but please don't take it as homophobia. That's about it.

Since she's from Massachusetts and thus easily replaced by anyone liberal with a pulse, she'd be useful as a Secretary of Something.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 06, 2019, 10:38:21 am
or Castro
This #julianforthefuture is really catching on ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2019, 10:44:22 am
I think Space you have the wrong approach



Swing voters in today’s America???


The key is to drive up your base turnout....get people to vote who hate Trump...not try to find a needle in the haystack: an open minded white man in the Midwest who is having trouble deciding whether he supports Trump (are there many of these)


Hillary lost among other things cause black people could not be bothered to stand in line for her in the same numbers that did so for Obama in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee


The old model of targeting the center is dead....fundamentally you have to get your base to turn out...give them something to stand in line for....not some milquetoast platform to target a few “swing voters”


At least that is the way I see it and I used to totally share your view Space
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 06, 2019, 10:50:33 am
or Castro
This #julianforthefuture is really catching on ;)
HAIL JULIAN!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 11:01:18 am
I think Space you have the wrong approach



Swing voters in today’s America???


The key is to drive up your base turnout....get people to vote who hate Trump...not try to find a needle in the haystack: an open minded white man in the Midwest who is having trouble deciding whether he supports Trump (are there many of these)


Hillary lost among other things cause black people could not be bothered to stand in line for her in the same numbers that did so for Obama in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee


The old model of targeting the center is dead....fundamentally you have to get your base to turn out...give them something to stand in line for....not some milquetoast platform to target a few “swing voters”


At least that is the way I see it and I used to totally share your view Space

Well then you are more part of the Harris, Booker, and Castro school of thought than the Brown, Klobuchar, or Biden school of thought.

Who do you see as best able to turn out the black folks on election day? Harris is half Asian, married to a white Jewish man, and probably prosecuted a buttload of black people as attorney general. Castro has both an unfortunate last name, and an unfortunate first name. I guess that leave Cory. But he's a former college football player, and you said nobody likes football anymore.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2019, 11:01:36 am
AOC has it exactly right....I see the Democratic Party heading in that direction...leftwards


A guy like Sherrod Brown has no hope of motivating voters to go out and vote...

Look at at Tim Kaine? In retrospect did he add anything to Hillary?

We need somebody to the right of Bernie but not by much...and younger

Trump voters know what they are voting for....what exactly is someone voting for Klobuchar or Brown voting for? Competence? Mild mannerism? Someone nice? Someone who can win statewide office in a red or purple state?


Yeah that sure gets voters excited there...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2019, 11:26:43 am
Biden is one of a kind in that he might peel off some support in the middle but I know he is too old


I have no idea who should get nomination until they go through the paces

Kamala Harris has appeal at this point but who knows...a misstep after the town hall gives one pause (she should have stuck to her statement about insurance companies and not gone back on it)

Basically we need a Trump on the left



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 06, 2019, 11:27:19 am
Look at at Tim Kaine? In retrospect did he add anything to Hillary?
zero, I don't even think he delivered VA to Hill
she would have gotten almost exactly the same with out him on the bill

Basically we need a Trump on the left
No such animal exists or ever could
Dems use their full brain, not just their medulla oblongata to make choices in the voting both
which is a shame as it would be so much easier to win if we could just stick to bumper sticker politics

I think the congress should come up with a sweet package
that give trump all the money for the wall, but massively increases funding for courts, facilities and agents at the border
but ALSO includes Democracy day or DACA finality

This is the leverage we need...Trump is desperate for this wall
So give it to him with stuff that will really help the dems long term, then he'll have a harder time Vetoing it...because...the wall
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 11:36:09 am
Biden is one of a kind in that he might peel off some support in the middle but I know he is too old


I have no idea who should get nomination until they go through the paces

Kamala Harris has appeal at this point but who knows...a misstep after the town hall gives one pause (she should have stuck to her statement about insurance companies and not gone back on it)

Basically we need a Trump on the left

I think we need someone who can heal us from the damage Trump has done to the country. We don't need a Trump on the left.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2019, 11:42:21 am
Trump on the left

1. Good at Twitter / social media (connect and inspire voters while bypassing media)
2. Aggressive
3. Stamina
4. Polarizing (take a stand on issues even if it may trouble establishment, media or voters on the other side....even if pollsters tell you it’s hurting )


The only exceptions are immigration and terrorism on which nominee must try to dearticulate Trump strength

5. Never apologize...never change position once it is a position campaign adopts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2019, 11:45:38 am
Biden is one of a kind in that he might peel off some support in the middle but I know he is too old


I have no idea who should get nomination until they go through the paces

Kamala Harris has appeal at this point but who knows...a misstep after the town hall gives one pause (she should have stuck to her statement about insurance companies and not gone back on it)

Basically we need a Trump on the left

I think we need someone who can heal us from the damage Trump has done to the country. We don't need a Trump on the left.

That ship has sailed....we ain’t going back


We need someone willing to bring a gun to a gunfight...not a pocket knife
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on February 06, 2019, 12:49:43 pm
Justin Trudeau?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 06, 2019, 01:40:26 pm
Justin Trudeau?
Is Canada going to invade
apparently there is a border crisis and we were focusing on the wrong one!

I welcome the Canadian overlords!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2019, 02:29:46 pm
Justin Trudeau?
Is Canada going to invade
apparently there is a border crisis and we were focusing on the wrong one!

I welcome the Canadian overlords!

prepare to watch hockey and eat beaver tails (https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/canada/articles/the-canadian-doughnut-a-history-of-the-beaver-tail/) (like your previous overlord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeaverTails#/media/File:Barack_Obama_and_well-wisher_in_Ottawa_2-19-09.jpg)).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 06, 2019, 02:56:23 pm
so can you get a beaver tail in DC?
looks tasty

this is not a request to Relaxer how to find beaver or tail

also this is not a fun fact
The Barenaked Ladies once changed a lyric in their song at a concert from ‘if I had a million dollars’ to ‘if I had a million beaver tails.’
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 04:12:52 pm
Booker *is* a vegan. And he's dating Rosario Dawson, who's smoking hot. So he has those things going for him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 07, 2019, 12:41:42 am
I don’t get it...was there a benefit for Warren putting Native American on a Texas bar application? Maybe she thought she was?


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 07, 2019, 08:02:16 am
Senator Gillibrand was at Anthem last night...guest on Lovett or Leave It
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 07, 2019, 10:06:11 am
I don’t get it...was there a benefit for Warren putting Native American on a Texas bar application? Maybe she thought she was?
She's toast, seems silly that this would bring her down.  But all her previous statements on this matter contradict

Only silver lining is you can't say the WaPo is in bed with the DNC if they are destroying potential candidates

not really a sliver lining, but I'm so tired of the "liberal media is a wing of the democratic party" when I think that is a bullshit statement that is said one million times...so now gullible know-nothing Americans now take as a fact

Edit...added the K and the N
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 07, 2019, 02:11:40 pm
no-nothing

know-nothing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 09, 2019, 02:02:02 pm
Warren makes it official
Worst timing ever
I don't think she's going to make it to the debates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 09, 2019, 02:05:59 pm
Why do you say that?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 13, 2019, 04:44:11 pm
Props to Cory. I don't see this interview helping him in the South or Midwest.

https://vegnews.com/2019/2/cory-booker-on-animal-r...sm-and-how-to-change-the-world

 The New Jersey Democrat recently told VegNews that he started experimenting with a vegetarian diet around 1992 and then eliminated dairy foods as well, making his diet completely animal-free.

 You see the planet earth moving towards what is the Standard American Diet,” he told VegNews. “We’ve seen this massive increase in consumption of meat produced by the industrial animal agriculture industry.

“The tragic reality is this planet simply can’t sustain billions of people consuming industrially produced animal agriculture because of environmental impact. It’s just not possible, as China, as Africa move toward consuming meat the same way America does because we just don’t have enough land.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2019, 02:59:30 pm
prepare to feel the Bern!
let the haters commence....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2019, 05:41:02 pm
Dukakis Announces 2020 Bid: “Everyone Else Is”




:)
By Andy Borowitz (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/dukakis-announces-2020-bid-everyone-else-is)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 21, 2019, 01:42:34 pm
prepare to feel the Bern!
let the haters commence....
donny is trying to get this nick-name to stick....

@realDonaldTrump  Feb 20
Crazy Bernie has just entered the race. I wish him well!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 21, 2019, 02:03:20 pm
One can only hope Bernie doesn’t cost us two elections but goddamnit if he ain’t going to do his best...


It’s up to the voters
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 21, 2019, 02:21:52 pm
One can only hope Bernie doesn’t cost us two elections but goddamnit if he ain’t going to do his best...


It’s up to the voters

Are you saying Bernie shouldn't run?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 21, 2019, 02:49:37 pm
Ugh no...I said anybody who wants to be president should, right?!? Let the voters decide


Now whether the Democratic Party should have let him run in its primaries is a fair question but that train left the station years ago
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 21, 2019, 02:54:18 pm
Now whether the Democratic Party should have let him run in its primaries is a fair question
where are you going with that logic...so in 2016 the democratic party should have said you can't run in this primary?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 21, 2019, 03:02:42 pm
Yeah I know it’s crazy for the Democratic Party to require people be - you know- members of the Democratic Party to run as its standard bearer for the highest office in the land...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 21, 2019, 03:08:51 pm
didn't he become a member before running?

I mean I get it...he was an independent his whole life and didn't have a single 'friend' in the democratic party (mostly his doing)
Still doesn't mean he can register as a Dem and run in their primary and let the voters decide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 21, 2019, 03:21:02 pm

Still doesn't mean he can register as a Dem and run in their primary and let the voters decide


It doesn’t?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 21, 2019, 03:25:57 pm
what's your take on Bloomberg then...
he has been a life long republican (well, became an independent in 2007) but just joined the Dems in 2018
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 22, 2019, 11:59:45 am
Yeah I know it’s crazy for the Democratic Party to require people be - you know- members of the Democratic Party to run as its standard bearer for the highest office in the land...

They wanted to control the Senate and they need Bernie to increase the likelihood that they would.  Plus they didn't take him seriously

But in doing it, the Dems actually botched it both ways.  They let him run but tried to put their thumb on the scale for all to see.  Not a good look. 

Of course the party tries to put their thumb on the scale in races all the time.

How responsive they should be to voters versus well connected folks is a bigger discussion. Right now, the Party definitely tilts towards the donors.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 09:12:48 am
This is really all that matters


http://crystalball.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/the-2020-electoral-college-our-first-look/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 09:35:53 am
wow...giving FL to the GOP (obviously a prediction two years ahead doesn't mean squat)

So are we thinking the felons are really going to have no impact in FL?
there are like 1 million and the elections have been only won in the thousands...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2019, 09:41:42 am
wow...giving FL to the GOP (obviously a prediction two years ahead doesn't mean squat)

So are we thinking the felons are really going to have no impact in FL?
there are like 1 million and the elections have been only won in the thousands...

Nothing like relying on convicted felons as your path to victory, lol.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 10:00:27 am
hey, felons are people too
if they have done their time, isn't that enough?

I wouldn't say that the dems are reliying on them, but how can it not have an impact on a state that has razor thin margins every election for the last few decades
Trust me the GOP was trying to kill that bill with all their might as they know it might tip the results

Flordia impact on our presidential election is insane....and isn't that ironic as Floridians are kind of insane too (check out: Florida Man (@_FloridaMan). Real-life stories of the world's worst superhero)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:01:12 am
I think Trump will take Florida...it’s a reasonable prediction...Trump won comfortably in 2016 and Republicans have been winning statewide..Trump practically lives there...Both Florida and Ohio aren’t going to go blue unless it’s such a wave victory that they won’t matter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:04:14 am
Trump’s victory over HRC in FL was not razor thin



Anyways Republicans will do what they can to suppress the felon vote which is not exactly reliable ...counting on that vote is foolish...in addition to poor form

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 10:05:22 am
trump took FL by only 100k votes..out of 9.5mil cast (bernie wasn't on that ballot)
while I don't think Felons are a reliable voting block...I still think it was a close call
plus half the people who voted for him have died or will die by 2020

now I don't think they should advertise or make a big deal about the felon vote as I agree it's bad form
but it's a reality that 1mil eligible, mostly like dem leaning voters... are now eligible in a state that was close

I'm sorry but 100k dif on 9.5 million votes is pretty close in my opinion
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:06:15 am
Florida and Ohio are incredibly expensive states to campaign in and if I were the democrats I would be tempted to cede them

The map is a strong argument for Biden as Scranton Joe would have a leg up on other democrats in PA and PA is critical
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:07:56 am
You know Florida sidehatch....short of the three southeastern counties it’s Trump country...be realistic and stop relying on felons...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 10:11:27 am
You know Florida sidehatch....short of the three southeastern counties it’s Trump country...
Can't argue that...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 28, 2019, 10:20:25 am
hey, felons are people too
if they have done their time, isn't that enough?

I wouldn't say that the dems are reliying on them, but how can it not have an impact on a state that has razor thin margins every election for the last few decades
Trust me the GOP was trying to kill that bill with all their might as they know it might tip the results

Flordia impact on our presidential election is insane....and isn't that ironic as Floridians are kind of insane too (check out: Florida Man (@_FloridaMan). Real-life stories of the world's worst superhero)

Republicans in state are doing everything they can to stop the ballot initiative from being implemented.  Hard to say how many new voters will actually get added, so it's hard to say how many new votes this will actually be.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:20:43 am
If you don’t want to constrain the map take your FL and OH resources and play hard in Arizona...They probably will give FL a half hearted effort to make Trump spend some money and time there but it will all depend on their internal polls...at first look though I agree with the Crystal Ball that FL and OH are gone


Obviously Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania are the key....


Unless it’s a Trump wave in which case nothing will matter

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:22:01 am


Republicans in state are doing everything they can to stop them from getting the vote.  Hard to say how many new voters will actually get added.

——-///////
Exactly
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 10:47:47 am
hey, felons are people too
Republicans in state are doing everything they can to stop the ballot initiative from being implemented. 
my point exactly, they wouldn't be trying so hard if they though it would have no impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:51:56 am
Ok put your money where your mouth is


I bet you $50 Trump carries Florida and Ohio regardless of felons voting
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2019, 11:51:03 am
Ok put your money where your mouth is


I bet you $50 Trump carries Florida and Ohio regardless of felons voting

If Sherrod Brown were the nominee, would he carry Ohio?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 11:59:18 am
No
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 12:35:14 pm
All indications are both Beto and Biden will run....it’s going to be a full house!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 12:47:11 pm
hmm...I'm done taking bets on politics
I bet my MAGA brother-in-law $100 on Hil to win, then the day before we doubled the bet...
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 28, 2019, 12:57:35 pm
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
No you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 01:15:05 pm
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
No you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
MAGA=Gun owner
it was a part of the bet...he would have had to say he loved Hilliary, which I was looking forward too
I blame Michigan!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 28, 2019, 01:17:09 pm
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
No you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
MAGA=Gun owner
it was a part of the bet...he would have had to say he loved Hilliary, which I was looking forward too
I blame Michigan!
You could’ve squelched on the bet like a rat. You CHOSE not to.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 01:41:17 pm
hmm...I'm done taking bets on politics
I bet my MAGA brother-in-law $100 on Hil to win, then the day before we doubled the bet...
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump


Wow...that is a serious offense
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 01:48:44 pm
hmm...I'm done taking bets on politics
I bet my MAGA brother-in-law $100 on Hil to win, then the day before we doubled the bet...
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump


Wow...that is a serious offense
Luckily he doesn't do social media...otherwise I'm sure that would be posted many times in the run up to 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 01:52:30 pm
I am so blessed nobody in my family can stand him..,,
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2019, 02:48:25 pm
Glad to see that I'm not the only one who regretably married into a MAGA family.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 05:18:31 pm
I'd like to think there were a lot of people who voted for Trump on the thought "we need an outsider in there"
"we need to shake things up to get things changed in govenment" ...are now thinking 'jez, this is far worse than I expected' and not vote for trump again.


but the odds makers are already favoring trump...and I don't know if my psyche can take 6 more years of this

Why President Trump Will Likely Be Reelected, And What It Means For Global Security (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/02/26/why-president-trump-will-likely-be-reelected-and-what-it-means-for-global-security/#4dd1811c41cb)

...polls showing weak approval of the president’s performance have lulled Democrats into thinking his defeat is nearly inevitable in 2020. But Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan were both unpopular during their first terms, and then went on to score landslide victories against opponents who made the incumbent look good.

people have gotten used to Trump. He doesn’t seem as outrageous as he once did. His critics will fret that this amounts to “normalizing deviance,” but what it really shows is that two years in the nation’s top job have taken the edge off of Trump’s confrontational personality. He no longer sounds like the strident outsider he was on inauguration day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 05:34:19 pm
Well this dude works for a Republican think tank but yeah the incumbent in a good economy has an edge usually

Trump is not usually
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 05:36:05 pm
Well this dude works for a Republican think tank
not going to argue that...but I do think he makes some pretty good points that made me throw up in my mouth and have an aneurysm
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 05:43:15 pm
That’s true
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2019, 05:59:56 pm
this gallup poll was not comforting etiher...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247016/conservatives-greatly-outnumber-liberals-states.aspx

(https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/vbxijunpyuoyr2wdggsc3g.png)

I think I need to Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the MAGA
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 06:09:02 pm
The harder we accept things are going to be to unseat Trump -the less delusional we are - the more the appeal of Joe Biden...


On the other hand this would seem to run counter to the motivate your base argument


It’s all about balance!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2019, 06:42:54 pm
The harder we accept things are going to be to unseat Trump -the less delusional we are - the more the appeal of Joe Biden...


On the other hand this would seem to run counter to the motivate your base argument


It’s all about balance!

Biden/Harris?

Biden is so old i can't imagine him being more than a one-termer...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 06:48:45 pm
Ticket speculation is not serious...let them run the campaign and then we talk


Also when was the last time anyone successfully handed off the presidency to their VP after one term?

It just doesn’t work like that in the real world
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 28, 2019, 10:16:38 pm
Well this dude works for a Republican think tank
not going to argue that...but I do think he makes some pretty good points that made me throw up in my mouth and have an aneurysm

We also have no idea what two years of investigation will do to Trump.  It absolutely hammered Clinton and she didn't even have real skeletons. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:20:19 pm
I think we know it will do nothing

Be realistic....wishful thinking isn’t going to defeat him

If I had a nickel for every person that told me he would be impeached or resign cause he didn’t enjoy being president...

His popularity has held steady through 5643 scandals
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 28, 2019, 10:32:06 pm
I think we know it will do nothing

Be realistic....wishful thinking isn’t going to defeat him

If I had a nickel for every person that told me he would be impeached or resign cause he didn’t enjoy being president...

His popularity has held steady through 5643 scandals

It's not about him being impeached, resigning, just his popularity being suppressed.    With the House the Dems can set the narrative rather than just react to Trump's tweets all the time. I think it will have an impact.

Hillary had high approval numbers and Benghazi definitely stuck to her after a while, even if it was subconscious. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2019, 10:36:17 pm
But Trump’s approval is always the same give a few points here or there no matter what happens....that’s my point

We have had dozens of things happen that are insane and it doesn’t move the needle

Do you think the Kushner security clearance will have any impact? Of course not...it’s all baked in...everyone knows he is a slime bag lying piece of shit but nobody cares...his supporters like him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 28, 2019, 10:49:12 pm
But Trump’s approval is always the same give a few points here or there no matter what happens....that’s my point

We have had dozens of things happen that are insane and it doesn’t move the needle

Do you think the Kushner security clearance will have any impact? Of course not...it’s all baked in...everyone knows he is a slime bag lying piece of shit but nobody cares...his supporters like him

There is a set of people that are always going to like him.  You are just hoping to knock off two or three percent overall. 

There's never been focused attention on any one scandal.  We just spin from one to the other because he controls the narrative and he thrives on chaos.  Dems get to try to put some order to the narrative.  Might do nothing to him, but I think it might.

And while I actually think nepotism could be damaging to him, it isn't going to be something like Kushner's security clearance.  It is more likely to be shady connections to the Saudi's, or the Russians, that get fleshed out.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on March 01, 2019, 12:04:16 am
did Bloomberg get things done?  did he manage a city that is so damn hard to tangle down in a single sentence?  did the man have the respect?  can Bloomberg be our next president?

the, end.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2019, 11:10:52 pm
I had a dream of beato putting a half-pipe in the rose garden

and Hickenlooper might put one of these (https://cdn.instructables.com/FYJ/26VS/G79DOS5U/FYJ26VSG79DOS5U.LARGE.jpg) in the lincoln bedroom

and Bill Weld is going to try to take trump out in the primaries...bold, but up hill with 80% approval by republicans
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2019, 05:24:37 pm
Predictably no Bloomberg run
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 05, 2019, 05:28:44 pm
Predictably no Bloomberg run
I like the guy, but don't think he has any appeal in red states at all....

but his money and influence should help
Mr. Bloomberg also expects to be heavily involved in the 2020 general election, organizing and funding opposition to Mr. Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2019, 05:37:12 pm
He has very little appeal....and he would have only hurt a Biden run...

Everything indicates Biden will run but the hatred and resistance from the progressive wing of the Democrats is pretty astounding....reminds me of how the same people acted with respect to HRC...worrying
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 05, 2019, 05:47:24 pm
I know it sounds silly, but Biden is the king of the gaffe and there are probably 100 incidents of him saying something wrong and looking stupid

if he runs, we are going to learn about every single time he mispoke and the are going to grill that in to the public
"would you want Biden to be in charge of the nuclear codes when he can't even remember his wife's name"

I do agree that the progressive wing of the Democrats may determine the loser of 2020 over anything that trump does


Kinda forgot that Garcetti and Holder also dropped out
sooo much time before the primaries, I think it's foolish to announce early
Unless you have zero name recognition, it just puts a target on you for a longer period of time


This Axios (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-candidates-announce-running-15472039-9bf49de4-351a-46b3-bdde-b980947b21ea.html) page is pretty good to keep tabs on who is running or not

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2019, 05:49:11 pm
Gaffes? Trump is President!!

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2019, 05:56:28 pm
I don’t see the gaffes as an issue as much as some people wishing to judge an entire life in public service by the “woke” standards of 2019....standards more than half the country doesn’t share
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 05, 2019, 05:58:51 pm
Gaffes? Trump is President!!
not going to argue that...but those people find those as 'endearing qualities' on trump and the sign of satan on democrats
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2019, 06:07:48 pm
I don’t think so...I think democrats just roll over and are weak...like with Franken

I really don’t think most people care if he calls Pence a great guy


Only the “woke” wing of the Democratic Party does...and thanks to them HRC is not president
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2019, 01:37:28 pm
Sherrod Brown not running

If Biden runs in the primaries this is another positive for him although everyone seems to be hating on Joe....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2019, 03:24:09 pm
Sherrod Brown not running

If Biden runs in the primaries this is another positive for him although everyone seems to be hating on Joe....

Boo. I guess this makes Joe my guy.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 07, 2019, 03:27:31 pm
Sherrod Brown not running
Boo. I guess this makes Joe my guy.
ha...when I heard this on the radio, my first though was 'space will be bummed'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2019, 03:31:10 pm
Biden has become the new Hillary....very polarizing among Democrats...some of the stuff I am reading “woke democrats” saying about him is unbelievable
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on March 07, 2019, 03:32:33 pm
Gaffes? Trump is President!!

Democrats can't lower themselves to the GOP's subterranean level. I loved Franken and was hoping that he'd run for president, but dude had to go. You can't condemn Trump for his shit if you're willing to tolerate it in your own party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on March 07, 2019, 03:33:07 pm
Hutch you sure seem contemptuous of people who make ethical behavior a priority.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2019, 03:35:37 pm
The left wing of the Democratic Party is ethical? The people that support Maduro? Give me a break


They are not “ethical” just stupid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2019, 03:36:14 pm
Gaffes? Trump is President!!

Democrats can't lower themselves to the GOP's subterranean level. I loved Franken and was hoping that he'd run for president, but dude had to go. You can't condemn Trump for his shit if you're willing to tolerate it in your own party.

Remind me what Franken was accused of and remind me what Trump was accused of, and are they equivalent behaviors?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on March 07, 2019, 03:43:44 pm
Leeann Tweeden, a radio news anchor, says Franken groped and forcibly kissed her during a USO tour in 2006, before the former comedian was a senator. She says Franken "aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth" when the pair rehearsed a skit that featured a kiss. A photo also surfaced showing Franken looking at a camera while pretending to grab Tweeden's breasts as she was sleeping while clothed. The senator apologized for the photo but said he remembered the skit incident differently.

Lindsay Menz says Franken grabbed her buttocks when the pair posed for a photo at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010. Franken later said he did not remember taking the picture but "felt badly" that Menz felt disrespected.

Two other unidentified women told HuffPost that Franken grabbed their buttocks at separate events in 2007 and 2008. One of the women says Franken suggested that he and she should go to the bathroom together. Franken said he did not remember the events and denied asking anyone to visit the bathroom with him.

Stephanie Kemplin, an Army veteran, says Franken put his hand on her breast during a USO tour in 2003. In a statement following that accusation, Franken's office said he has not "intentionally engage in" the "kind of conduct" described.

A woman described as a "former elected official in New England" told the Jezebel website that Franken tried to give her a "wet, open-mouthed kiss" during an event in 2006. The senator has not appeared to respond specifically to the allegation.

An unnamed former Democratic congressional aide told Politico that the senator tried to forcibly kiss her after he taped a radio show in 2006. She says she avoided the kiss, then heard Franken say "it's my right as an entertainer." Franken called the allegation "categorically not true."

Tina Dupuy writes in The Atlantic that Franken put his hand around her waist while the pair posed for a photo and squeezed "at least twice" during an event in 2009. The senator has not specifically responded to that allegation.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2019, 03:46:50 pm
The left is reducing Biden to a racist misogynist 47 years of public service be damned....dude is not perfect but this is embarrassing

Of course this is not surprising seeing what they did to Hillary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2019, 03:48:19 pm
No longer sure Biden will run...dude must be thinking “Fuck this shit I don’t need this...”

Too bad he represents best chance of beating Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 07, 2019, 03:54:31 pm
Democrats can't lower themselves to the GOP's subterranean level. I loved Franken and was hoping that he'd run for president, but dude had to go. You can't condemn Trump for his shit if you're willing to tolerate it in your own party.
You've just joined Gillibrand on Hutch's hissyfit list.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2019, 03:57:50 pm
Gillibrand is a hypocrite...called for Franken to resign but for Justin Fairfax said she wanted an investigation


Let’s face it: Gillibrand saw an opportunity to get rid of a competitor and took it

She has always been a political opportunist

Anyways she has no chance and Franken is done so let’s argue about how Biden is a misogynistic racist
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 07, 2019, 04:04:16 pm
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for and I just got his personal email address. (It’s an AOL account 😂).

What do I do with this information?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 07, 2019, 04:22:06 pm
(It’s an AOL account 😂).
I can not tell you how many Small Business Owners, whose businesses are doing in the multi million in revenue still use AOL as their primary form of communication with their clients and the public

crazy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2019, 04:29:04 pm
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for and I just got his personal email address. (It’s an AOL account 😂).

What do I do with this information?

Send it to Weight Watchers?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 07, 2019, 05:12:39 pm
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for
Kinda waiting for Yada to Doxx julie on this....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 07, 2019, 05:21:38 pm
I wanted to announce here that I am NOT running in the 2020 democratic primaries

I announced this on FB and a friend had a great tag line if I ran

Make America Skate Again!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 07, 2019, 05:29:05 pm
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for
Kinda waiting for Yada to Doxx julie on this....
I have three post it notes of personal info on yada, his wife, and kids. The fool posted his photo account like six months ago.

If you come at the King, you best not miss.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on March 07, 2019, 07:30:03 pm
Oooh. Is my file full of guacamole stained chipotle receipts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 07, 2019, 07:58:41 pm
Oooh. Is my file full of guacamole stained chipotle receipts?
Theres a wellness blog somewhere in it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2019, 09:01:02 am
thoughts on these bills in NJ and WA making candidates have to show many years of tax returns to appear on the state ballot

If this passes, would they really not put him on the ballot if he doesn't show it?
I don't think the voters in those states would stand for it and it would head to the SCOTUS
which guaranteed will say "candidates don't have to show them" and just make a mockery of the whole thing

Also, haven't some people already seen them....you would have think that a leak would have happened if it was something really damaging


Edit...just learned this
Two years ago, California's Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed a similar bill that passed through both chambers there.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2019, 09:06:45 am
Never going to happen but even if it did would have no impact on result

I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jail
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2019, 09:14:47 am
I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jail
For sure...that's why I said leak
Also didn't some congresspeople already see them? or muller?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2019, 09:17:44 am
I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jail
For sure...that's why I said leak
Also didn't some congresspeople already see them? or muller?

Come on! Do you think people can just look at the president’s tax returns and release info and nobody will be able to find out who did it?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2019, 09:33:14 am
I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jail
For sure...that's why I said leak
Also didn't some congresspeople already see them? or muller?

Come on! Do you think people can just look at the president’s tax returns and release info and nobody will be able to find out who did it?
more that there was no concrete evidence of fraud, so why kill ourselves on this topic
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 14, 2019, 12:05:09 pm
Beto is officially in...got to say I like the guy...he seems like a normal and decent person

I guess I like Biden, Harris, Klobuchar, Booker, and Beto

I also like Warren proposing actual policy

So many....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 14, 2019, 12:23:10 pm
Also buttgieg
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 14, 2019, 12:37:57 pm
Biden still in the possible camp, but with 95% likelihood 
buttgieg is exploratory (like your fav Gillibrand)


13 officially announced and we are still 11 months away from the Iowa caucus

any opinion on: Castro, Hickenlooper, and Inslee (there are things I like in all three)

I know this primary is going to be brutal as we poke each other in the eye on the way to the Nom
but I agree...I'd vote for at least 6 of these people without a doubt

I predict that Gabbard and Sanders are going to be in the final 4

We are going to have to play a fantasy Nom for cash!
question is, when does it officially start


I'm loving Axios for this new page
Everything you need to know about the 2020 presidential candidates: : Where the announced candidates stand on the issues, in under 500 words. (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-candidate-profiles1552432119-facfee57-8089-4f14-bbdf-dc44ffa0ea4a.html)

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 14, 2019, 12:41:51 pm
Oh I like Castro too despite his first name
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 14, 2019, 01:20:02 pm
Have we ever had an identical twin run for President?


Could create shenanigans!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 14, 2019, 02:15:46 pm
Have we ever had an identical twin run for President?


Could create shenanigans!!
isn't that close to the plot line of the movie Dave
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 14, 2019, 02:44:08 pm
Have we ever had an identical twin run for President?


Could create shenanigans!!
isn't that close to the plot line of the movie Dave
I just read last month a longform retrospective on the film Dave which seems like a really asinine thing for someone to have written a longform article about but then again I was the one reading it so something something glass houses, stones, Leelee Sobieski.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 14, 2019, 06:34:15 pm
Who Said It: Beto O’Rourke or Phish Frontman Trey Anastasio? (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/beto-orourke-trey-anastasio-who-said-it.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 15, 2019, 08:21:25 am
^kinda click-bait if you ask me

what's with slate's new tag line “Skating By” Is a Strength
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 15, 2019, 10:10:11 am
beto is really trying to appeal to me specifically!

Beto O'Rourke Cites Minor Threat and Fugazi's Ian MacKaye as Key Influence (https://www.revolvermag.com/culture/beto-orourke-cites-minor-threat-and-fugazis-ian-mackaye-key-influence?fbclid=IwAR0YzhzbjSk16EKq9U1P4a2T1ad_Eh8_aF3hBbfHOH53PR_xkA2fRK9L5ow)


Andy B had a great one too...Beto Rocked By Scandal As High School Mixtape Appears To Include REO Speedwagon

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2019, 01:28:33 pm
I feel this is a good tactic on gun control

Dems shift strategy for securing gun violence research funds (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/434348-dems-shift-strategy-for-securing-gun-violence-research-funds?fbclid=IwAR1EGz-F9LWkyDKsEyLJuJbuDUqRfi_yAdhq4f-2EQNDfjarUJ35i1fCuyg)


While this by no means solves the problem...
that we don't have facts and research being done gives the NRA and their supporters ammunition (pun intended) to say "you are making stuff up, there are no verifiable stats on that"

Congress stopped funding gun violence research at the CDC in 1996 when it first passed the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the agency from using federal funds to advocate for gun control.

“We need to be able to guarantee to those Republicans, and those people who support gun rights, that the money that goes to CDC will be used for research and only research -- none of it will be used to lobby for gun control,” he added. “That's exactly what the Dickey amendment says.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2019, 12:53:49 pm
The Right wing media has been pushing this Ted Kopel interview and I thought the memes were fake
But Ted said it Ted Koppel on media bias against Trump (https://youtu.be/UWZtYSPyPig)


"I'm terribly concerned that when you talk about the New York Times these days, when you talk about the Washington Post these days, we're not talking about the New York Times of 50 years ago," Koppel noted to journalist and author Marvin Kalb earlier this month. "We are not talking about the Washington Post of 50 years ago. We're talking about organizations that I believe have, in fact, decided as organizations that Donald J. Trump is bad for the United States."


Few quick notes....
1. I love GGW's post and have revisited it many times!
2. I edited it for brevity
3. moved from the Prestige tv to a political thread
4. Ted obviously read this post and plagiarized GGW but extended the timelines
5. Although I do think DJT is bad for the US....regardless of the media's depiction...I form my judgement on what trump does and says, not what the NYT/Wapo says
6. lastly...come back GGW, board is a little vapid without ya

As far as the media question - I have a love-hate relationship with the media.  I consume vast quantities of it, but much of it I find flawed and rapidly getting worse. I don't think I have ever seen Fox News.  I like facts, stripped of biases.  Fox News is obviously not that.  But nobody else is anymore.  I have read the New York Times daily since I was a kid.  It used to be a great paper.  They were always left-leaning, but they kept that part to the op-ed pages.  They dealt with a lot of hard news and had great cultural coverage as well and largely succeeded in keeping the general news operation as bias-free as possible.  Today, the entire paper is wildly left-leaning.  Like the Washington Post, business concerns pushed them to make a conscious decision to abandon generalism and gear the paper toward its base - A very liberal and cosmopolitan readership.  I've been thinking of canceling my subscription for years, but just can't do it after it being a daily touchstone for 40+ years.  But the NY Times is regularly awful now.
 Like I said, I have a love-hate relationship with the media.  I still love it enough that I gorge on it, but I really hate it because I feel like there are no high quality generalist news sources left. 20 years ago (maybe even more recently) I felt like reading the New York Times gave me an excellent, largely bias-free handle on what's going on in the world.  Back then, even the Washington Post was half decent (emphasis on "half").  Today, I don't feel like there are any truly non-biased sources left out there.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 20, 2019, 02:14:29 pm
This guy is going to make Biden and Bernie look like Spring chickens.

https://spectator.us/mike-gravel-2020-rock/

Some classic tweets:

To Minnesota senator Amy Klobuchar, he wrote ‘.@amyklobuchar it’s hard to fight the big tech firms that abuse American workers when you also like to abuse American workers’.

And he’s not afraid to point out pandering hypocrisy either: ‘#KillerKamalaHarris just came around to supporting marijuana legalization, even though she smoked it herself in college. Meanwhile, I’ve served as the CEO of two marijuana companies. #GravelGang #Gravel2020’

What about the front-runners, you ask? ‘i sure do hope the faucets at @JoeBiden’s house are strong, with the amount of Iraqi blood on his hands #Gravel2020 #GravelGang’.

The 2020 Democratic field pretends to progressivism, but don’t buy the lie,’ Gravel writes. ‘@KamalaHarris kept innocent men on death row. @JoeBiden voted for the Iraq War. @CoryBooker invented a drug dealer friend (and voted with Big Pharma).’
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2019, 02:25:57 pm
you have to watch Gravel's 2008 campaign ad (https://youtu.be/0rZdAB4V_j8)
guy was way ahead of his time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2019, 09:48:03 pm
Stacey Abrams  | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 20, 2019, 10:03:42 pm
Stacey Abrams  | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)

What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2019, 10:20:05 pm
What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?
To be honest, no clue...this was the blurb
 Lead from the Outside: How to Build Your Future and Make Real Change by political leader, entrepreneur, and nonprofit CEO Stacey Abrams is the handbook for outsiders, written with an eye toward the challenges that hinder women, people of color, the working class, members of the LGBTQ+ community, and millennials ready to make change. Abrams uses her hard-won insights to break down how ambition, fear, money, and failure function in leadership, and she includes practical exercises to help you realize your own ambition and hone your skills.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 20, 2019, 11:16:51 pm
Stacey Abrams  | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)

What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?

if only we had some sort of a mechanism by which we could submit a person's name, and this mechanism would do some sort of a "search" for us, and then display a bunch of potential answers... maybe even ideally sorted by relevancy... one can only dream.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 21, 2019, 08:39:19 am
Stacey Abrams  | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)

What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?

if only we had some sort of a mechanism by which we could submit a person's name, and this mechanism would do some sort of a "search" for us, and then display a bunch of potential answers... maybe even ideally sorted by relevancy... one can only dream.

If you have to google someone's accomplishments, either they're not very accomplished or you're not very informed. I may not be woker than a barnyard rooster, but I bet I'm more informed that 95% of the population.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2019, 08:47:38 am
This may be bs but on msnbc reporting Biden is considering making Abrams his VP when he announces
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2019, 09:15:38 am
How depressing

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/21/trump-economy-election-1230495
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 21, 2019, 10:45:03 am
This may be bs but on msnbc reporting Biden is considering making Abrams his VP when he announces
could have sworn that was mentioned in this thread before

Stacey Abrams 
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 21, 2019, 03:22:48 pm
Did you guys vote yet?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2019, 03:34:21 pm
I voted a few months ago!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 21, 2019, 04:24:03 pm
Did you guys vote yet?
Doesn't post in 3 years....and this is the first foray back
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 21, 2019, 04:25:44 pm
I figured this was the best place to get my voting news.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on March 21, 2019, 10:10:32 pm
The gay guy.  Who speaks multiple languages, and everyone thinks is so, adorable.

He wins.  His name is funny too, for being gay.  He, so wins.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2019, 10:47:00 am
The gay guy.  Who speaks multiple languages, and everyone thinks is so, adorable.

He wins.  His name is funny too, for being gay.  He, so wins.
I guess it speaks to our 'wokeness' but I think I had already read a few articles and news stories about Buttigieg
and then in one article it just said his husband blah blah blah...

It was shocking in the sense that I'd already heard a lot about him and that wasn't the headline and the only thing people were talking about (now I'm sure your news sources are slightly different)
but I'm glad that people can talk about him, his experience and his policies ....and not lead with they gay mayor from S. Bend (and has Butt in his difficult to pronounce name) 

yea people for being mature
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 22, 2019, 10:59:51 am
The first time I saw him speak (or even heard about him in general, I guess) when when he ran for DNC chair and they had an open debate in Baltimore.  I don't think it was even until recently, well after he announced his candidacy, that it was even mentioned in passing.  I'm not sure what I think of him politically (he's certainly better than fucking Beto), but I was similarly impressed that his sexuality isn't the lead story.

Semi-related, now that I have kids that are old enough to recognize the world around them, it's really cool how little they think of diversity. Granted they are growing up in a way more diverse area than I did, but it's wild that at 7 and 9 they recognize and talk about same sex couples without batting an eye.  Its really cool to see how quickly attitudes change, you know?

The gay guy.  Who speaks multiple languages, and everyone thinks is so, adorable.

He wins.  His name is funny too, for being gay.  He, so wins.
I guess it speaks to our 'wokeness' but I think I had already read a few articles and news stories about Buttigieg
and then in one article it just said his husband blah blah blah...

It was shocking in the sense that I'd already heard a lot about him and that wasn't the headline and the only thing people were talking about (now I'm sure your news sources are slightly different)
but I'm glad that people can talk about him, his experience and his policies ....and not lead with they gay mayor from S. Bend (and has Butt in his difficult to pronounce name) 

yea people for being mature
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2019, 11:17:09 am
better than fucking Beto
I think there are a lot of men and women would would like to be fucking beto...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 22, 2019, 11:22:24 am
Buttigieg is way dreamier, IMO.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2019, 11:53:19 am
Buttigieg is way dreamier, IMO.
I'm not saying a 3-way is off the table either...but we're really getting off topic

that beto was a skater, in a band and was a hacker really ups the hotness game in my book...what whatdoikno
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2019, 11:56:13 am
Both of them are too good for this country....in terms of hotness I am with Mayor Pete and Tulsi Gabbard...maybe they could run a hot ticket
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 22, 2019, 12:02:54 pm
The bi guy, Spartacus. And Rosario Dawson.

Both of them are hot AF. They're the ones in want to have a threesome with.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2019, 12:43:23 pm
So it seems if 2020 debates were turned into an orgy... we'd get a lot more people watching
Although Bernie and Biden are not invited


I think this is a good thing
VICE: 2020 Democrats are dropping like flies from pro-Israel AIPAC conference.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/8xyj5a/2020-democrats-are-dropping-like-flies-from-pro-israel-aipac-conference

But not sure the public agrees and I am sure faux news is going to shout this from the mountaintops
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 22, 2019, 12:48:35 pm
^ unfortunately that just feeds trump's "democrats are anti-semites" narrative.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 22, 2019, 12:49:36 pm
He's going to say it whether they attend or not, so who gives a shit?

EDIT: and also its good as hell

^ unfortunately that just feeds trump's "democrats are anti-semites" narrative.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2019, 01:05:36 pm
EDIT: and also its good as hell
wait...I thought jews don't believe in Hell?  (said by a JINO...jew in name only)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2019, 01:14:18 pm
^ unfortunately that just feeds trump's "democrats are anti-semites" narrative.
exactly my point...what is the irony of it Jews overwhelmingly vote for Democratic Presidential candidates
Jexodus is their latest line of lies

We all know why the GOP loves Israel...and it's not because of the Jews there (although they are pretty conservitave there) it's because the jews need to be in Israel for end-times baby!

As a Jew I'm sick and tired of the narrative that if you are critical of anything Israel does...you are an anti-semite
not f'n true.  We should always be critical of a State no matter who it is...even our own government

but different story when it's  of a race/creed/color/gender/sexual orentiation..and dare I say religion (although I'm vehemently anti-organized religion)
off the table...unless they are committing crimes, none of those categories should be protection for the rule of law


edit...from the A-holes over at the Heratige Found
https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/making-sense-jewish-liberalism
At the outset, perhaps we should ask: Just how liberal is the Jewish community? Shall we say, ex- ceedingly? Shall we say, devoutly? It's a cliche that is nonetheless true that Jews have the incomes of Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans. -- Ruth Wisse, professor of Yiddish literature at Harvard, writes: "Jews are associated with liberal-ism the way the French are associated with wine: It is considered native to their region." Excepting blacks, Jews are the most liberal demographic group in the population.
lot to unpack there...but the article goes to lenghts to quote jews saying really offensive things
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 22, 2019, 02:08:02 pm
About that exodus: Some 79 percent of Jews voted for Democrats in last year’s midterm elections, according to exit polling data, up from the 71 percent who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and the 69 percent who voted for Barack Obama in 2012. And Jews take a dim view of Mr. Trump, according to a 2018 Gallup poll that found that just 26 percent of Jews approved of the president’s performance, the lowest of any major religious group.

Should we create a rule that you're not allowed to talk about Jexodus without posting a photo of Elizabeth Pipko in her lingerie, since that's all the attention she wanted anyway?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2019, 02:11:19 pm
Sheldon Adelson is going to reward Trump for moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights- I think- with at least $50 million...maybe $100 million
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 22, 2019, 02:33:13 pm
Should we create a rule that you're not allowed to talk about Jexodus without posting a photo of Elizabeth Pipko in her lingerie, since that's all the attention she wanted anyway?

i had no idea "jexodus" was a widely used term, and i had no idea who Elizabeth Pipko was. 


so i image-searched "Elizabeth Pipko lingerie".  my day got better.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2019, 02:35:13 pm
so i image-searched "Elizabeth Pipko lingerie".  my day got better.
I was coming back here to thanks Smakie for that too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on March 22, 2019, 02:41:29 pm
so i image-searched "Elizabeth Pipko lingerie".  my day got better.
I was coming back here to thanks Smakie for that too

Spent some time there yesterday....quality stuff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 22, 2019, 02:43:18 pm
i had no idea "jexodus" was a widely used term, and i had no idea who Elizabeth Pipko was.

Context is important. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/politics/swimsuit-model-trump-jews.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2019, 02:00:51 pm
oh these headlines are getting depressing

Trump just got re-elected

Liberal obsession with the Mueller probe has gifted Trump the moral high ground and electoral momentum (https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/trump-elected-190326083105913.html)

this line is the zinger...
With few exceptions, America's liberal intelligentsia - in and outside the corporate media - always preferred to believe that one Russian was responsible for the election of a fascist, rather than 43 million Americans.

That's what concerns me the most...if for some bizarro reason we get rid of trump...what about these 43 million who thinks he walks on water


(https://media1.tenor.com/images/4ca2b3f282027a05edda655054eac37c/tenor.gif?itemid=4958773)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 26, 2019, 02:15:31 pm
jeebus.  election is a year and a half away, and the electorate has the memory of a mentally deficient goldfish.  so much can, and will, happen - mueller will be one of twenty different threads trump & the dem nom will be pulling at...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2019, 02:24:13 pm
Hey #allgoldfishmatter !
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2019, 12:48:43 pm
So the right is really going to try hard to make the Green New Deal look like Mao's cultural revolution

I think Mike Lee is an idiot...but he dropped some serious pop culture references on the floor of congress with this speech
https://www.facebook.com/WorldCloudLA/videos/262780134640855/?t=0

few comments
1. First recorded mention of Sharknado 4 on the floor of congress (and now a part of the record)
2. Tauntaus are NOT carbon neutral...have you smelt their farts!
3. Tauntauns are a species of snow lizard ...NOT Space Lizards as Mr Lee states
4. I don't trust the veracity of his Cow quote as he didn't have a translator with him on that visit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 28, 2019, 09:08:54 am
Does Bernie run this well in a train station?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKHbJEAs2D4

oh, wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syTptvcNzhQ
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 28, 2019, 12:48:35 pm
VERY COOL!!!

"Fugazi capitalism would be inclusive, consumer-friendly and ethical. It would favor the interests of small businesses over corporations. It would reject cronyism. As O’Rourke described MacKaye, he “really did represent this super-ethical way, not just of being in a band, or running a label, or putting on shows, but of just living.”

https://www.breakingviews.com/columns/cox-betonomics-would-have-certain-punk-rock-edge/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 28, 2019, 12:55:25 pm
Fugazi Captialism...I gotta imagine Ian groaned when he read that

TIL
MacKaye’s personal philosophy of not drinking alcohol or taking drugs – inspired, ironically enough, by right-wing rocker Ted Nugent’s own abstentions

Wow, I dropped the nuge twice in one day...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 28, 2019, 12:57:17 pm
I honestly didn't think anything would ever be worse than "Pokemon go to the polls" but this motherfucker did it!

Fugazi Captialism...I gotta imagine Ian groaned when he read that

TIL
MacKaye’s personal philosophy of not drinking alcohol or taking drugs – inspired, ironically enough, by right-wing rocker Ted Nugent’s own abstentions

Wow, I dropped the nuge twice in one day...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 28, 2019, 12:58:04 pm
I honestly didn't think anything would ever be worse than "Pokemon go to the polls" but this motherfucker did it!
A wild incumbent appears!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 28, 2019, 01:05:03 pm
I honestly didn't think anything would ever be worse than "Pokemon go to the polls"
no man, nothing could be worse than that...while I voted for Hill...that comment alone made her unfit to be president

TIL also
Their 1989 release “13 Songs” has since gone triple platinum.

that's impressive and gotta imagine they made a healthy profit on that since there were very few middlemen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 28, 2019, 01:53:31 pm
this is an interesting devlopment and could tip the election a little more...
Bipartisan group introduced Puerto Rico statehood bill in Congress (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bipartisan-group-introduced-puerto-rico-statehood-bill-in-congress)
I've always thought PR should be a state...Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens since 1917!


this I had no idea of
Since 2012, the Republican Party has included Puerto Rican statehood as an official party position in their platform. The position was ratified again in the 2016 Republican National Convention when Trump was formally chosen as the party's nominee for the presidency.
“We support the right of the United States citizens of Puerto Rico to be admitted to the Union as a fully sovereign state," the official Republican platform reads.


They must have done a lot of polling/research that PR would vote GOP??!

here was a great zinger from the asshat @ 1600
“With the mayor of San Juan as bad as she is and as incompetent as she is, Puerto Rico shouldn’t be talking about statehood until they get some people that really know what they’re doing,” Trump said in a September interview.
honestly...what does one have to do with the other
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 28, 2019, 01:56:49 pm
zero chance of PR = state while said asshat is in the white house.  he's way too vindictive.  they hurt his feelings and called him a bad word.  because of that, no statehood for you.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 29, 2019, 09:10:10 am
seems appropriate here...
‘Hamilton’ Is Coming Back To The Kennedy Center In Summer 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 01, 2019, 07:38:08 pm
I know one guy Hutch could get behind..

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comey-2020-former-fbi-director-teases-run-over-twitter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 01, 2019, 07:41:06 pm
Comey ensured Trump won.....Mueller got him re-elected


So much for the “deep state”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 01, 2019, 08:14:42 pm
If ever we needed Julian For The Future, it’s now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 02, 2019, 08:19:28 am
it just keeps getting darker....

I guess if you are going to be “the party of healthcare,” you should probably put someone who is already good a medicare fraud to head it up

"they are going to come up with something really spectacular"
hmm...they have had a decade and have zero to show for their 'plan'

I just can't take the news anymore, it is so freaking depressing...the worst part is they pull some dick move...and then look you and smile
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/590baca41400001f00f8b512.jpeg?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)
Trump is a disaster, but the party enabling him is really the problem and I hope we find a way to hold them accountable in the end
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 02, 2019, 09:04:41 am
I feel the same; best to try and limit one’s news intake...

problem aren’t as much Trump or the Republicans but the deplorables

Mueller report marks a before and after
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 02, 2019, 09:23:16 am
If anything, it was people like Rachel Maddow whipping everyone into a lather about Trump being a spy that's going to get him re-elected.
 Everyone went all in on something that didn't even add up and in the end just gave these scumbags more "fake news, media is the enemy" ammo.  Not Mueller's fault he didn't prove that Trump, the dumbest fucking man alive, was a Russian agent. 

Comey ensured Trump won.....Mueller got him re-elected


So much for the “deep state”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 02, 2019, 10:06:07 am
Right blame the “liberal media”



I just don’t agree at all with you...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 02, 2019, 11:12:20 am
This is a guy who does LITERAL financial crimes in front of us, has a history of doing actual financial crimes in the past, is an admitted sex pervert, backs almost exclusively polices that are unpopular by the vast majority of this country, and has no problem propping up actual nazis and white supremacists, and the media decides to focus on the hail mary that this insane dipshit who isn't clever enough to not tweet every thought that runs through his dying brain is somehow a Russian agent? Ok!

Right blame the “liberal media”



I just don’t agree at all with you...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 02, 2019, 11:14:41 am
This is a guy who does LITERAL financial crimes in front of us, has a history of doing actual financial crimes in the past, is an admitted sex pervert, backs almost exclusively polices that are unpopular by the vast majority of this country, and has no problem propping up actual nazis and white supremacists, and the media decides to focus on the hail mary that this insane dipshit who isn't clever enough to not tweet every thought that runs through his dying brain is somehow a Russian agent? Ok!
Look, I hate Hutch as much as the next person, but, at most, only 80% of that is true about him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 02, 2019, 11:15:18 am
I've been away for a while...did he take an alt-right turn?

This is a guy who does LITERAL financial crimes in front of us, has a history of doing actual financial crimes in the past, is an admitted sex pervert, backs almost exclusively polices that are unpopular by the vast majority of this country, and has no problem propping up actual nazis and white supremacists, and the media decides to focus on the hail mary that this insane dipshit who isn't clever enough to not tweet every thought that runs through his dying brain is somehow a Russian agent? Ok!
Look, I hate Hutch as much as the next person, but, at most, only 80% of that is true about him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 02, 2019, 11:18:35 am
I've been away for a while...did he take an alt-right turn?

(http://[url=https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg[/url])
(http://[font=Verdana][size=78%][url=https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg[/url][/size][/font])(https://i.imgur.com/PWNWnLY.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 02, 2019, 06:49:48 pm
Moving here so sidehatch doesn't stunner me.

I didnt ask about winning... I asked about loving a politician. Not the same thing.

I can rattle off reasons I love the Jesus Lizard or the Butthole Surfers without thinking they'd get into the RNR Hall of Fame. Even though both they should.

If I can ask...what do you "love" about Buttigieg and Beto?  Like, what specific policies or stances do those guys have that you love?  My gut is that people generally just like how those guys make them feel inside, but maybe I'm wrong? I don't really know about Buttigieg Boys or Beto Brahs to ask, but that's the vibe i get from Facebook.

It just seems weird to me to put Warren ("a ton of serious policy proposals") and Sanders ("would try to do things I love") in the same sentence if that's the case. Maybe it's not and those guys have really good policies that people love that I don't know about. I'm dumb!

you still think policy positions win presidential elections?  how quaint.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2019, 12:37:52 am
I'm calling it, Biden ends up in the Belly up thread by the end of April

I do like the guy, but I don't believe he is the Dems only hope for getting that swath of PA, MI WI
Sucks to get picked off early, but they are running out of slots for the two debates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2019, 08:30:48 am

I guess if you are going to be “the party of healthcare,” you should probably put someone who is already good a medicare fraud to head it up

We know Mitch is only doing this as they don't want to be seen as taking away peoples health care until After the 2020


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) shut the door Tuesday on any possibility that the Senate would move legislation to replace the Affordable Care Act before the 2020 election.


Ha...this Headline is exactly what I was saying
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/zmaa9j/trump-says-the-gop-will-definitely-be-the-party-of-healthcare-just-not-until-2021

Didn't realize he'd said this already..Trump wrote in a tweet late Monday night. “Vote will be taken right after the Election when Republicans hold the Senate & win back the House.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2019, 10:58:37 am
made me chuckle...the Right-Meme machine is on full bore with this Biden stuff
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56236306_10155956714721671_5796395422100488192_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=946c7b464d0bf41040b13b318dccda6c&oe=5D383F0B)

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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2019, 01:47:38 pm
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 03, 2019, 02:36:59 pm
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.

Is he known to have had a checkered past? Or is the thought here that because he's gay, there must have scandalous pix?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 03, 2019, 03:14:55 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 03, 2019, 03:22:26 pm
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.
This would've maybe been passable funny if you named him Mayor Butt-Plug, playing off the hyphenated last name stereotype. Maybe.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2019, 03:33:57 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.

And as a Kinsey 3 who has played for both teams, I can say from experience that the gays are far more perverted on average than the straights. Not that that's a bad thing.

P.S. Nothing wrong with a good buttplug either.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2019, 03:37:50 pm
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.

Is he known to have had a checkered past? Or is the thought here that because he's gay, there must have scandalous pix?

I was on another message board and there was speculation that pics would come out at some point. That said, he didn't come out until June 2015 when he was already mayor. So maybe he was so deep in the closet that he didn't associate with any events where scandalous pics may have been taken.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 03, 2019, 04:21:21 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.

And as a Kinsey 3 who has played for both teams, I can say from experience that the gays are far more perverted on average than the straights. Not that that's a bad thing.

P.S. Nothing wrong with a good buttplug either.

dude . . . men are the fucking perverts in all equations.  speak, the fucking truth.

guuurrrlll
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 03, 2019, 04:30:38 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.


So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 03, 2019, 04:35:32 pm
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug.
I mean, would you really want to put money on that?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2019, 04:42:45 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.

And as a Kinsey 3 who has played for both teams, I can say from experience that the gays are far more perverted on average than the straights. Not that that's a bad thing.

P.S. Nothing wrong with a good buttplug either.

dude . . . men are the fucking perverts in all equations.  speak, the fucking truth.

guuurrrlll

I've met a few perverted women in my time, but in general your statement is highly true.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 04, 2019, 10:28:57 am
Almost like Trump would love to run against Biden...

"President Donald Trump said Tuesday that former Vice President Joe Biden is “being taken care of pretty well by the socialists,” suggesting that a recent wave of criticism of the potential 2020 presidential candidate is the product of attacks hatched by his own party’s left wing."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/03/trump-biden-accusations-1251003
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 04, 2019, 12:58:12 pm
Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) announced he is running for president. (the 17th candidate)
A lifelong Rust Belt native
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2019, 01:13:48 pm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7886/47536697881_d046cd7ecb_o.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 01:31:05 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.


So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.

I have an answer to this one finally. I've been a champion of gay rights for 30+ years, arguing in favor of gay marriage and equal rights long before Tulsi Gabbard or Barack Obama were gay-friendly.. As a single person, i led a free spirited life where gender lines were blurred. I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile. I would call him that no matter what his gender or sexual preferences were. If anything, my using it proves I have a Beavis and Buttplug juvenile mentality, which i understand doesn't appeal to some adults. But for you to say it's "homophobic"  for anybody to say it just shows that you're one of those politically correct idiots who are unable to see anything any way other than via your lazily defined black and white rules. In that respect, you're no different than a fundamentalist religious idiot.

I would also argue that it would be worse if Trump said it compared to me saying it, because the POTUS should be held to higher standards when it comes to juvenile behavior than some guy on an internet message board.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2019, 01:40:40 pm
Yes, you're right, I am the one to blame for you denigrating somebody as Mayor Buttplug because he's gay. I am certain that if Kamala Harris' last name was Buttigieg, you would have called her Queen Buttplug.

Except that lol no of course you wouldn't. But you go ahead and attack me for what you said, sweetie. That's a nice boy.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on April 04, 2019, 01:43:17 pm
Congressman Eric Swalwell (CA-15) Is Running for President on Gun Safety (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/eric-swalwell-says-gun-safety-must-be-top-2020-issue/586483/)

On Twitter, Swalwell posted a voicemail (https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1113498287850627074) that he says he received at his office, with a man angrily screaming about his position on guns and threatening to kill him. “I’m not afraid of this guy,” Swalwell wrote. “I’m not afraid of the NRA. I’m not afraid. No fear.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 04, 2019, 01:48:55 pm
I still maintain the buttplug joke is funnier if its hyphenated but this is apparently my mountain to die upon alone.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 01:53:19 pm
Yes, you're right, I am the one to blame for you denigrating somebody as Mayor Buttplug because he's gay. I am certain that if Kamala Harris' last name was Buttigieg, you would have called her Queen Buttplug.

Except that lol no of course you wouldn't. But you go ahead and attack me for what you said, sweetie. That's a nice boy.

If Kamala Harris were named Buttigieg, of course I'd call her Buttplug. As it is, she's named "Kamala" so I call her "Kamala the Ugandan Giant."

Which in my juvenile, I have a 12 year old at home who I make stupid butt and pop culture jokes with brain, is funny.

 But of course in your self-righteous, woke cuz it helps me get laid, politically correct world, it makes me a racist.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on April 04, 2019, 01:54:17 pm
I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile.

Solid argument here.  I take shits, so therefore I am entitled to call people pieces of shit because I'm being playful and juvenile, their thoughts and concerns be damned.

All this is was an exercise on Rhett wanting us to know that he used buttplugs once and flirted with men.  When we all didn't bite the first time he mentioned it, he raised the stakes and got everyone's attention.  I still don't care.  Golf clap.... 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2019, 01:54:38 pm
He is still a little green but I like him

I like them all except one or two and they would all be better than Trump


I just think Biden has a better chance to beat Trump than a thirty something Mayor from South Bend etc...I mean decades of experience as a Senator and being VP for 8 years should be a plus...it is for me....but it seems a lot of the Democratic Party would rather have a socialist or a minor local Texas pol
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 01:55:13 pm
I still maintain the buttplug joke is funnier if its hyphenated but this is apparently my mountain to die upon alone.

I'm not necessarily opposed to your point. When I am saying the name verbally, do I pronounce the hyphen?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 01:58:43 pm
He is still a little green but I like him

I like them all except one or two and they would all be better than Trump


I just think Biden has a better chance to beat Trump than a thirty something Mayor from South Bend etc...I mean decades of experience as a Senator and being VP for 8 years should be a plus...it is for me....but it seems a lot of the Democratic Party would rather have a socialist or a minor local Texas pol

It's kind of funny that I'm politically aligned with Hutch and married to a Bernie bro.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 04, 2019, 02:29:24 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.


So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.

I have an answer to this one finally. I've been a champion of gay rights for 30+ years, arguing in favor of gay marriage and equal rights long before Tulsi Gabbard or Barack Obama were gay-friendly.. As a single person, i led a free spirited life where gender lines were blurred. I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile. I would call him that no matter what his gender or sexual preferences were. If anything, my using it proves I have a Beavis and Buttplug juvenile mentality, which i understand doesn't appeal to some adults. But for you to say it's "homophobic"  for anybody to say it just shows that you're one of those politically correct idiots who are unable to see anything any way other than via your lazily defined black and white rules. In that respect, you're no different than a fundamentalist religious idiot.

I would also argue that it would be worse if Trump said it compared to me saying it, because the POTUS should be held to higher standards when it comes to juvenile behavior than some guy on an internet message board.

the problem here is lack of context.  yes, if we all knew in advance of space's experiences and positions, maybe we could have rolled with it.  but we don't know that, so the initial impression will be one of offence and there isn't much you can do to change that impression (space's reputation for trolling doesn't help).

hypothetical: i make a seemingly racist comment about an african-american candidate.  folks would be justified in calling me out for my racist statement.  following it up with tales of how i got a minor in african-american studies, i've marched for affirmative action, i've had numerous black girlfriends, everyone should just lighten up, etc. won't do much to change the mind of those who saw my comment in a vacuum.  my reputation as a shit-stirrer wouldn't help, either.


this brings up a topic i've been struggling with, in these times of #metoo, wokeness, political correctness, etc.: are minorities and vulnerable groups above criticism?  Ilhan Omar got in trouble for implying that US support of Israel is directly related to the influence of jewish money.  but is anyone denying that politicians are influenced by money, and that there are various pro-Israel lobbies that are doing what lobbyists do: throw around money?  is anyone getting up in arms about the NRA or Big Pharma using money to influence policy? (no, folks are upset about the policy positions they are pushing - not the mere fact that those groups and money were mentioned in the same sentence).  there are some ugly, ugly stereotypes regarding jews and money that ought to be condemned... but does that mean we can never talk about how jewish lobbies use money?  so they get a permanent free pass?  is there a right way to bring this up without coming across as insensitive, racist, etc.?  i wouldn't be surprised if i'm missing the point here, folks are encouraged to enlighten me.


TL;DR: we're all jerks.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 04, 2019, 02:32:54 pm
Let's all just agree to do 5 Julians For The Future and 1 Our Father as penance and call it a day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2019, 02:34:25 pm
Wait a minute: Space is gay and married to a Bernie Bro?!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 02:43:00 pm
Good points by Sweetcell and if I weren't waist deep in some programming difficulties, I might tackle them.

To me, calling someone a "Buttplug" isn't homophobic. Regardless if the person being called that is gay or not gay. Straight people, bi people, and gay people engage in butt play, sometimes with buttplugs. To associate the word with gays specifically seems to be stereotyping on Relaxer's part. It's juvenile, bot not homophobic.

And to me, it doesn't matter who is dong the namecalling. Calling someone a "Buttplug" is just not homophobic in my book. Seeing two guys holding hands and then beating the shit out of the guys while calling them "Buttplugs" in my estimation IS homophobic. Not the calling them "Buttplugs" part, but the beating the shit out of them part. Which of course I would condemn.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2019, 02:45:26 pm

TL;DR: we're all jerks.

That was a pretty good post, but to end with we're all jerks is kind of like Trump saying there were some very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Space did his homophobic asshole schtick and I called him out on it. He responded by saying that I'm being a politically correct idiot and a fundamentalist religious idiot, which is exactly what Trump would say. So the lesson from Space is, "when I'm making my hilarious homophobic or racist jokes, you're being a fragile snowflake if it bothers you and here's my progressive resume that I'll dick-wave around."

But yeah, we're both to blame here. I'll be a SJW and Space can be a toxic piece of shit. And I doubt anybody would argue with that.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2019, 02:46:46 pm
Oh phew, the straight white man doesn't think something is homophobic. I'm sure gay people around the world are thrilled to hear that you've straightened this up for them and that they have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 02:55:40 pm

TL;DR: we're all jerks.

That was a pretty good post, but to end with we're all jerks is kind of like Trump saying there were some very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Space did his homophobic asshole schtick and I called him out on it. He responded by saying that I'm being a politically correct idiot and a fundamentalist religious idiot, which is exactly what Trump would say. So the lesson from Space is, "when I'm making my hilarious homophobic or racist jokes, you're being a fragile snowflake if it bothers you and here's my progressive resume that I'll dick-wave around."

But yeah, we're both to blame here. I'll be a SJW and Space can be a toxic piece of shit. And I doubt anybody would argue with that.

How is calling someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" homophobic?

 It's asshole like you who are going to get Trump re-elected.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 04, 2019, 03:15:49 pm
um relaxer...you need to relax

Quote
Ilhan Omar got in trouble for implying that US support of Israel is directly related to the influence of jewish money.
as with much things...this is nuanced
but, I'm totally with you
1. I think Israel and Jewish people in general are great...but the are not above reproach and criticism.  For some reason we are in this place where any commentary is Anti-Semitic and it's BS.  I think they have some very Right-Wing policies I don't agree with, I am very opposed to their settlement/occupation tactic and think that the Israel Lobby exerts power on congress I would say is greater than the NRA as they greatly influence both sides.

2. Omar is a target for a long list of things (mostly from the right):  a woman, a monitory, Somalian born immigrant who was granted Assulym ...and most importantly a visible (hijab) member of a religion that the right/faux news has labeled that every member is a terroists:
“Fox & Friends,” co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed in 2010 that “all terrorists are Muslims.”
“Muslim immigration means more Islamic terrorism,” said Pamela Geller on Sean Hannity’s show in 2017.
 Fox News’ perpetuation of anti-Muslim hysteria include pushing the conspiracy that Sharia, a religious framework that Muslims adhere to in everyday life, is set to take over the U.S. government and replace it with a violent, backward legal framework. (No national Muslim organization has ever called for Sharia to supersede American courts. In fact, the sheer idea goes against how Sharia actually works.)
 Newt Gingrich said “test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported,” as he told the network’s Sean Hannity.


I mean it's one thing for some white person to criticize Israel....but a African American Muslim woman in congress...time for the pitchforks

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2019, 03:35:49 pm
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 04, 2019, 03:40:40 pm
Fingers crossed I didn't miss a Julian's America post about them when I was on board hiatus

I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 04, 2019, 03:52:58 pm
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 03:58:32 pm
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".

Here's a good one. Note: Surprisingly fairly safe for work. Note #2: I am not at work today.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/GEA27G36B/drumpf-plug?optionId=59356798&li=more-from-shop
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2019, 04:06:48 pm
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".

It sounds kind of scary....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 04, 2019, 07:44:35 pm
definition of a butt plug . . . about eight inches.  try it; you'll agree.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 05, 2019, 12:28:13 pm
you really think the liberals with all their tattoos and macbook pros would be better at the meme game....but this one made me chuckle

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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 08, 2019, 08:35:23 am
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
 PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2019, 10:25:56 am
Ok...good response to the previous post

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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2019, 01:16:28 pm
heck...why stop at felons who did their time from voting...
Bernie Sanders: Felons should be able to vote while in prison

this is not going to be an issue that most people can get behind
I think it would be easy to paint dems as 'doing what ever they can do to win' rather then helping out those who did their time
unlike the GOP tactics which are close to criminal and definitely in the spirit of cheating to win

but I did learn this Vermont and Maine are the only states to allow felons currently serving their sentences to vote.
and didn't know the actual details on this until today Voting rights in 36 states and the District of Columbia are restored to felons after they’ve completed the sentences, with the laws varying to factor in parole and probation.
and that it was on the docket in Iowa
Iowa GOP Gov. Kim Reynolds is pushing for a constitutional amendment to allow convicts to have their voting rights restored after they’ve served their sentences. But last week, the Republican-controlled state-Senate torpedoed the plan, likely killing it for the year.

this to is news to me Last April, Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York signed an executive order restoring voting rights for felons on parole. And in 2016, Virginia’s governor at the time, Democrat Terry McAuliffe, took executive action to restore voting rights to former felons

Has me curious how many people have been given rights to vote since 2016...we are talking multiple millions
I know Hutch said they are not a reliable voting bloc....still a lot of citizens who just got their rights restored and may be motivated to exercise that right
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2019, 02:18:56 pm
this graph says a lot...not sure how Team trump gets minority voters...but they are running out of whites

(https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/FT_18.12.31_2020-Electorate_310px_2x1.jpg?resize=310,490)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on April 08, 2019, 02:25:03 pm
this graph says a lot...

"Eligible" voters does not equal "likely" voters.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2019, 04:03:06 pm
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
 PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
thank ms Hutch for this one....

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56414030_379960515924867_6364122762134421504_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=5d7589d64a7a1c0ceef2b1ee653b8d06&oe=5D3F9A9C)

Pete is a bad ass and speaks with eloquence...as I said before, he may not be 2020...but I predict that he will be the face of the dems in some future elections
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 08, 2019, 04:53:50 pm
look at how he holds his massive weapon . . . so, fucking, hot.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2019, 01:26:23 pm
bloomberg was out....but missed this last week

Michael Bloomberg might still run for president in 2020, especially if former Vice President Joe Biden winds up not getting in, according to people who have discussed the matter with the former New York mayor.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2019, 02:12:06 pm
this was interesting to hear on one of my favorite topics....felons in Florida

a surprising statistic about a group of people who he said leans right: felons in Florida.

"In Florida they passed a law where former felons can now vote. We've had more ex-felons register as Republicans than Democrats," Kushner told Laura Ingraham on Fox News April 1.

Ingraham interjected: "Wait, whoa, whoa. You've had more felons, ex-felons register as Republicans than Democrats?"

Kushner replied: "That's the data that I've seen. I think that will surprise a lot of people when they see the new coalition that President Trump is building for what the Republican Party has the potential to be."



let's be clear...Politifact states We found no statewide data to support Kushner’s conclusion that more ex-felons have registered as Republicans since a new law took effect. At this point in time, his comment isn’t more than wishful thinking.

Team Trump...you stay away from my felons!

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2019, 02:42:20 pm
I really like the 2020 list of candidates....but we have yet to hear something that will connect with the casual trump supporter

The Atlantic had an idea I've supported all my life (well only after I was 21 ;) )

We must champion a spirit of unity and purpose that counteracts his self-serving schemes to pit one community against the next.

We can begin by issuing a simple but powerful call:  a policy that requires all 18-year-olds to give at least six months of their life to national service. People from different walks of life, with different backgrounds, would serve with one another as a rite of passage. Once someone graduates high school or reaches college age, they would join the military, the Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, or some other service-oriented organization.


between this and National Popular Vote (with ranked choice) I think these are simple, but unifying ideas
So many good reasons for this...job training for our youth and the cross-pollination that will happen when these youth leave their hometown and see how the rest of the country lives/acts

I honestly think it could have a very transformative effect on the united states
I don't think we as Dems should run away from some of the base platforms....but all of them are wedge issues and will only scare away the independent voter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 11, 2019, 10:23:54 am
@NateSilver538

FWIW, my current thinking on the tiers in the Democratic primary, in terms of likelihood of winning the nomination. This is very rough, obviously:

Tier 1a: Harris, Biden
Tier 1b: Bernie, Beto, Buttigieg, Warren
Tier 2: Booker, Klobuchar

I don't have particularly strong feelings about the order of the candidates after that, but I suppose I'd go:

Tier 3a: Castro, Gillibrand, Inslee
Tier 3b: Yang, Hickenlooper, Ryan
Tier 4: Everyone else

Abrams would be at least Tier 2 if she ran.


Beto star seems to be fading as Buttigieg rainbow flag seems to be getting brighter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 11, 2019, 10:52:07 am
For me -as I said the day after the 2016 election -the heavyweights are Biden and Bernie and it will be a battle to the death which will take us all with them


But I have noticed a lot of people who liked Bernie in 2016 are not as enthusiastic about his current run and Biden is also running into a lot of resistance so who knows?

I think the first debate or two could play a big role

Kamala Harris is a serious candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 11, 2019, 11:20:22 am
Biden and Bernie are going to cancel each other out as are Beto and Buttgieg. Harris and Booker will split the African-American vote and Warren and Klobuchar will split the #CancelMen vote. What are we left with? Julian For The Future.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 11, 2019, 07:18:24 pm
Going to meet Beto on Tuesday. What album is funniest if I ask him to autograph?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 11, 2019, 07:36:16 pm
Well as far as I know his band Foss put out one tape and two 45s and both are long unavailable and impossible to find so not sure what you speak of...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 11, 2019, 08:14:09 pm
Well as far as I know his band Foss put out one tape and two 45s and both are long unavailable and impossible to find so not sure what you speak of...

I always chuckle when i hear that band name for reasons i can't say.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 12, 2019, 01:03:46 am
Going to meet Beto on Tuesday. What album is funniest if I ask him to autograph?

anything by Ted Nugent would be pretty epic.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2019, 09:32:28 am
more Republicans with spines showing up!

Opposition by 4 Senate Republicans may sink Herman Cain’s chance to win seat on Fed (https://www.pressherald.com/2019/04/11/opposition-by-4-senate-republicans-may-sink-herman-cains-chance-to-win-seat-on-fed/)
Sens. Mitt Romney of Utah, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Cory Gardner of Colorado and Kevin Cramer of North Dakota all said they would oppose Cain’s appointment to the Fed. Republicans control 53 seats of the 100 chamber Senate, and losing the support of four members means Cain would need help from Democrats, which appears unlikely.

Would have never found myself liking Mitt, but so far he's been holding strong and not kissing Trumps ass
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2019, 11:10:32 am
not sure where Terry is going with this....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D34Kj6zW4AAfhlw.jpg)
then followed up with

 @TerryMcAuliffe
23h23 hours ago

If I could wrestle an 8 ft, 280 lb 🐊, I certainly would have no problem with you know who.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D34gG1eXsAAiY45.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 03:37:16 pm
Sure, Beto claims to be a punk, but Spoon just shared a video of Buttigieg playing  "The Way We Get By" on piano

https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 12, 2019, 03:44:43 pm
Sure, Beto claims to be a punk, but Spoon just shared a video of Buttigieg playing  "The Way We Get By" on piano

https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856 (https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856)

Mayor Pete Buttigieg Impressed the Hell Out of Ben Folds During a Duet in 2015 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27023806/mayor-pete-buttigieg-ben-folds-south-bend-piano-video-interview/)

Buttigieg Performed With the South Bend Symphony Orchestra in 2013 (https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/pete-buttigieg-piano/) (scroll down past the ben folds story)

apparently he plays guitar too.  overall has more music cred than beto, IMO.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 03:49:26 pm
Man, I think even Bernie has more actual music cred than Beto.

Sure, Beto claims to be a punk, but Spoon just shared a video of Buttigieg playing  "The Way We Get By" on piano

https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856 (https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856)

Mayor Pete Buttigieg Impressed the Hell Out of Ben Folds During a Duet in 2015 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27023806/mayor-pete-buttigieg-ben-folds-south-bend-piano-video-interview/)

Buttigieg Performed With the South Bend Symphony Orchestra in 2013 (https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/pete-buttigieg-piano/) (scroll down past the ben folds story)

apparently he plays guitar too.  overall has more music cred than beto, IMO.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2019, 03:55:27 pm
you guys are leaving out Hickenlooper....jams with bobby weir and others
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/coloradopolitics.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/66/d66ecf29-5de4-582a-887f-a954b6c1e10f/5b9aab8440bd8.image.jpg?resize=750%2C500)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 12, 2019, 03:59:23 pm
Beto backlash has set in now that he is not running against Cruz


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2019, 04:02:13 pm
you guys are leaving out Hickenlooper....jams with bobby weir and others
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/coloradopolitics.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/66/d66ecf29-5de4-582a-887f-a954b6c1e10f/5b9aab8440bd8.image.jpg?resize=750%2C500)

Woahhh. Bob Weir seems to be doing something different with his hair.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2019, 04:03:42 pm
that's the guy from The Fray

here we go
(https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/9959639w/99db6baa/summit-la18-los-angeles-usa-shutterstock-editorial-9959639w.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2019, 04:06:12 pm
that's the guy from The Fray

here we go
(https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/9959639w/99db6baa/summit-la18-los-angeles-usa-shutterstock-editorial-9959639w.jpg)

I think the fcucking suit disqualifies him from any chance at being cool.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 04:12:53 pm
Can't believe folks would love a guy running against the most loathsome toad in America, and then not be as enamored when he actually had to make a case for himself against actual, qualified candidates!

Beto backlash has set in now that he is not running against Cruz
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 04:13:57 pm
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2019, 04:15:56 pm
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.
yikes...that's a major blemish that I never knew about
he is a senator from Vermont...I bet he loves ben and jerry's too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 04:20:59 pm
Yeah, I feel like it's probably pandering given his state, but come on, man, cut that shit out.

Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.
yikes...that's a major blemish that I never knew about
he is a senator from Vermont...I bet he loves ben and jerry's too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2019, 04:21:50 pm
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.

I think we can forgive him for that comment given that he more than makes up for it by loving Celine Dion.

Favorites
 Last year, Sanders told Rolling Stone he favors classical music: “On my iPad, I have all of Beethoven’s symphonies,” he said. In terms of pop, he championed “the Motown sound,” especially the Supremes and Temptations. Sanders confessed he loves Abba and disco (especially the Bee Gees), and Celine Dion.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 12, 2019, 04:36:03 pm
Can't believe folks would love a guy running against the most loathsome toad in America, and then not be as enamored when he actually had to make a case for himself against actual, qualified candidates!

Beto backlash has set in now that he is not running against Cruz


My sarcasm detector has gone off....


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2019, 06:52:59 am
Mayor Pete makes it official
perfect timing as a the news has been in love with him for the last few weeks
Wonder if this is the kind of love that lasts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2019, 08:30:12 am
It’s April of the year before the election which happens in November
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2019, 08:39:28 am
come on 19 months (https://countingdownto.com/?c=2442947) will seem like a week...or an eternity

first debate...June 26, 2019....and ELEVEN more after that until April 2020
going to end up being some weird debates
should probably go American Idol style where everyone texts in their vote (ranked choice of course)


then these important dates in 2020
February 3: Iowa caucus
February 11: New Hampshire primary
February 22: Nevada caucus
February 29: South Carolina primary
March 3: Super Tuesday (Alabama, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia primaries)

My first actual thing to do will be in less than 11 months (being from the fine state of VA)
so these 19 better court me with dinner and drinks before I put out...and I'm not getting the chicken!


This was an interesting note I found
The New York primary is scheduled for February 4 for procedural reasons, but its date is expected to be amended, likely to a date earlier than in past years, potentially in February or March 2020
be nice to see a state other than Iowa, Kansas, NH or SC dominate the first few primaries.  Those states represent such a skewed profile of the USA it's kind of absurd
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2019, 08:47:26 am
In ten years it will seem like it was a week but for the next 19 months it will seem like an eternity....Personally I think we could not go about the process of electing a president more wrong...

It should be regulated and take three months with a single day primary...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2019, 08:53:32 am
.Personally I think we could not go about the process of electing a president more wrong...

It should be regulated and take three months with a single day primary...
I co-sign that!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2019, 12:05:28 pm
sweet in 2020 VA now has 'no excuse' absentee voting!

https://arlingtondemocrats.org/virginia-to-offer-limited-no-excuses-early-voting-starting-with-2020-presidential-election

In 2020, registered voters can cast a ballot in the Nov. 3 election from Oct. 24-31 without providing an excuse.

Virginia is now one of only 16 U.S. states that requires an excuse to vote absentee


yes a small window, but BETTER THAN NOTHING!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2019, 12:12:56 pm
The excuse at least in Arlington was always a bit bogus like I might be visiting my sister in PA


But yeah this is good
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2019, 01:10:39 pm
be nice to see a state other than Iowa, Kansas, NH or SC dominate the first few primaries.  Those states represent such a skewed profile of the USA it's kind of absurd

don't states like Iowa and NH have "we must be first" in their state constitutions?  so if another state moves before them, they'll just move theirs accordingly to remain first... i could be wrong tho.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2019, 01:18:33 pm
be nice to see a state other than Iowa, Kansas, NH or SC dominate the first few primaries.  Those states represent such a skewed profile of the USA it's kind of absurd

don't states like Iowa and NH have "we must be first" in their state constitutions?  so if another state moves before them, they'll just move theirs accordingly to remain first... i could be wrong tho.
even more absurd...
I think there are 1 or 2 ways to do it.
Everyone does primary on the same day...
Or we do it by Time Zone, where there are 4 primaries...that way they could at least campaign regionally for that few weeks leading up to that primary

The system we have now is kinda nuts, my gripes with the Electoral College are well know...but this primary system is probably worse

I also think we should have Ranked choice voting in the primaries
there is good evidence that if the GOP had Ranked choice, Trump would have be comical reference to the 2016 campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2019, 01:41:02 pm
so i searched around and couldn't find it, but previously we discussed the possibility of "tapes" of Booty-Judge popping up and ruining his chances... well, some tapes have surfaced - but they aren't what you'd expect:

Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise)

i don't fully understand this story... sounds like he's peripheral and this won't actually touch him?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2019, 06:25:33 pm
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.

Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2019, 08:31:12 pm
so i searched around and couldn't find it, but previously we discussed the possibility of "tapes" of Booty-Judge popping up and ruining his chances... well, some tapes have surfaced - but they aren't what you'd expect:

Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise)

i don't fully understand this story... sounds like he's peripheral and this won't actually touch him?

So peripheral that i couldn't follow it. But it's Spring Break and I've had a few more than 8 ounces.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2019, 08:32:11 pm
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.

Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)

I'll register as a Republican and try to primary Trump if you guys will.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 15, 2019, 09:30:59 pm
so i searched around and couldn't find it, but previously we discussed the possibility of "tapes" of Booty-Judge popping up and ruining his chances... well, some tapes have surfaced - but they aren't what you'd expect:

Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise)

i don't fully understand this story... sounds like he's peripheral and this won't actually touch him?

So peripheral that i couldn't follow it. But it's Spring Break and I've had a few more than 8 ounces.



I am, about to start the story and I am already pissed, before I begin.  when, I go to read a fucking article, don't fucking include a stupid video.  if I want a video, i'll go to youtube. 


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2019, 07:46:47 am
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.

Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)

Hate to discourage participation on this board as it's been getting dismal at times...
but, this was mentioned a few weeks back
and you of all people I thought would have noticed a post with a sexy mash tun with wood sides

I had a dream of beato putting a half-pipe in the rose garden

and Hickenlooper might put one of these (https://cdn.instructables.com/FYJ/26VS/G79DOS5U/FYJ26VSG79DOS5U.LARGE.jpg) in the lincoln bedroom

and Bill Weld is going to try to take trump out in the primaries...bold, but up hill with 80% approval by republicans
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2019, 07:51:16 am
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.

Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)

I'll register as a Republican and try to primary Trump if you guys will.
maybe ...but I'm not signing any freaking form for the GOP
Virginia voters in GOP primary must sign statement saying they're Republican  (https://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/virginia/article_4bea8ea7-1e97-56a8-b48f-db62c80300f0.html)
Virginia voters do not register by party, and voting in primaries is open to anyone. However, state law allows a political party to request that voters sign a pledge or statement of party affiliation before casting primary ballots.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2019, 08:06:57 am
ok...funny foot note in an article about his 10 years of taxes
Sanders last year made $110 in music royalties, presumably for his 1987 folk album, "We Shall Overcome"
Hutch, do you have that on Vinyl? (actually, you probably would have burned it if you did)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2019, 08:14:20 am
ok...funny foot note in an article about his 10 years of taxes
Sanders last year made $110 in music royalties, presumably for his 1987 folk album, "We Shall Overcome"
Hutch, do you have that on Vinyl? (actually, you probably would have burned it if you did)

I have a cd.....

It’s also out on tape

No LP yet...maybe a future RSD edition out on commie red vinyl?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2019, 12:34:16 pm

Hate to discourage participation on this board as it's been getting dismal at times...
but, this was mentioned a few weeks back
and you of all people I thought would have noticed a post with a sexy mash tun with wood sides

I had a dream of beato putting a half-pipe in the rose garden

and Hickenlooper might put one of these (https://cdn.instructables.com/FYJ/26VS/G79DOS5U/FYJ26VSG79DOS5U.LARGE.jpg) in the lincoln bedroom

and Bill Weld is going to try to take trump out in the primaries...bold, but up hill with 80% approval by republicans

yesterday bill weld made it official.  there is a difference between saying you're going to do something, and actually throwing your hat in the ring.  besides, the sexiness of that MT ensured that few people made it past the image and down to your BW statement/conjecture.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2019, 12:37:09 pm
However, state law allows a political party to request that voters sign a pledge or statement of party affiliation before casting primary ballots.

"request", not "force". 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2019, 12:42:19 pm
yesterday bill weld made it official.  there is a difference between saying you're going to do something, and actually throwing your hat in the ring.  besides, the sexiness of that MT ensured that few people made it past the image and down to your BW statement/conjecture.
I stand corrected...I thought it was official on feb 15th...but it was official that an exploratory committee would be started....4/15 it was officially announced he was running

SC is already trying to make it so there will be no GOP primary
GOP is a fall in line kind of team and they are not going to put up with internal insurgency
Even if he appeals to GOP voters, the internal org is going to try to make it as difficult as possible

yeah the curves on that bad boy and the shining stainless steel do distract...almost pornographic in it's presentation
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2019, 01:23:16 pm
If ever we needed Julian For The Future, it’s now.
dude....Julian, your fundraising sucks balls...look at these others are crushing you and you have the name recognition
only bottom tier person you are doing better that is Marianne Williamson...and she's not that far behind you

I mean if you can't even keep a cool mill in your slush fund, might be time to drop out now

2. Sen. Bernie Sanders
    Cash on hand: $15,661,950
3. Sen. Kamala Harris
    Cash on hand: $8,958,124
4. Beto O'Rourke
    Cash on hand: $6,862,205
5. Pete Buttigieg
    Cash on hand: $6,405,929
6. Sen. Elizabeth Warren
    Cash on hand: $11,215,190
7. Sen. Amy Klobuchar
    Cash on hand: $6,982,373
8. Sen. Cory Booker
    Cash on hand: $6,131,010
9. Kirsten Gillibrand
    Cash on hand: $10,168,502
10. Gov. Jay Inslee
    Cash on hand: $1,412,880
11. Former Gov. John Hickenlooper
    Cash on hand: $1,335,168
12. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
    Cash on hand: $2,789,225
13. Andrew Yang
    Cash on hand: $1,151,701
14. Marianne Williamson
    Cash on hand: $549,503
15. Julián Castro
    Cash on hand: $677,654

16. Former Rep. John Delaney
    Cash on hand: $10,567,864
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2019, 01:29:40 pm
I hate focusing on fundraising


Who cares?

Hillary raised way more than Trump


Howard Dean outraised everyone as did Bernie Sanders


It’s just a game political consultants and political media people play to profit and the joke is on you
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2019, 01:31:51 pm
I hate focusing on fundraising
Who cares?
I agree...was more of a dig on Jules than anything substantive
but the numbers did surprise me for some of them
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2019, 01:37:03 pm
Its not Julian For The Now, its Julian For The Future. Wait and see his bank account in 2 years.

I agree he has the best name recognition in the race.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2019, 02:03:02 pm
I hate focusing on fundraising

Who cares?

Hillary raised way more than Trump

Howard Dean outraised everyone as did Bernie Sanders

It’s just a game political consultants and political media people play to profit and the joke is on you

in this country, money is speech.  "vote with your dollars". 

fundraising is used as a proxy for polling.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2019, 02:10:12 pm
I am glad I donated a fair amount to Hillary during the presidential campaign and canvassed for her but the reality is my $ went to some political consultant’s bank account and I could have done a better job advising her..

I can sleep at night knowing I tried my hardest to help Hillary win

They WANT to convince you donating to campaigns matters so you donate...but it’s a racket
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2019, 02:13:46 pm
money isn't every thing...both Hil and Jeb can tell you from direct experience
but it's pretty much one of the most important things, without it....you are Julian for the Future

also when people donate, they put skin in the game and they they are also motivated to get others involved to get return on their investment.  I gotta imagine it motivated you a little more than before you gave

I truly wish we could take money out of politics, this citizens united and super pac crap is really a much bigger problem than grifting  money from some schmuck from Arlington that donated less than one comma for an election

but then again, what the F do I know...I post about politics on a regional music board
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2019, 10:59:43 am
mayor pete is going for the yada vote I see....

Buttigieg says he wouldn't be opposed to having Phish play at his inauguration (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439654-buttigieg-says-he-wouldnt-be-opposed-to-having-phish-play-at-his)




even better was his husbands response....

Chasten Buttigieg @Chas10Buttigieg
You spelled Beyoncé wrong

@TMZ
Pete Buttigieg Wants to Jam To Phish At His Inauguration http://tmz.me/daqk05V
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2019, 02:37:20 pm
karl rove is a Bernie Bro (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-trump-2020-karl-rove)
always suspicious when the opposition team tells you who would be the best candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 19, 2019, 03:37:31 pm
Oh yeah, agreed...any article by these chuds that give Dems "advice" should be balled up and thrown into the toilet.  But I don't see much here about wanting Bernie to win...just that he's an actual contender.

karl rove is a Bernie Bro (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-trump-2020-karl-rove)
always suspicious when the opposition team tells you who would be the best candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2019, 03:39:50 pm
  But I don't see much here about wanting Bernie to win...
you don't have to want him to win to be a Bernie Bro...get with the times man
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2019, 07:29:30 am
Rep Seth Moulton (D-MA) running...never heard of him...sounds like another total loser democrat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2019, 09:09:07 am
..never heard of him...
I've always detested this response from the cheeto and it's a common refrain (that his base eats up)

Since I haven't heard of something or someone...it must not be significant or even matter...ya know, because I know everything and if I don't know it, therefore it mustn't matter and you (my base) shouldn't worry about it at all
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2019, 09:38:49 am
I will say...while I'm totally a #ITMFA guy,
But, I think elected officials and people running for office should be careful of cries of impeachment.  The base wants it bad, but really aren't going to judge you too hard if you don't come out right now
Kamala Harris joins Elizabeth Warren in advocating for President Trump's impeachment


Patience young grasshoppers, let the committees do their work
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2019, 11:20:27 am
heck...why stop at felons who did their time from voting...
Bernie Sanders: Felons should be able to vote while in prison


Bernie Sanders says Boston Marathon bomber, sexual assaulters should be allowed to vote (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-boston-marathon-bomber-sexual-assault-should-be-allowed-vote)
these headlines are not going to help...I'm not sure I would run on this....maybe something when you do when you are elected
when they spin it like that, it's hard for voters to get behind something like that

-hatch: friend of the felons
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 23, 2019, 01:53:58 pm
I think we know who Carly Rae Jepsen is supporting in 2020 (https://pitchfork.com/news/carly-rae-jepsen-shares-new-song-julien-listen/?mbid=social_facebook&utm_brand=p4k&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_content=5cbc15120cef930001bcf85b&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2_PRU7AMznropMiSyi4ictscE75MMC_VoYT65dmO_Cp5Q4qXJpA42u3cI) #ForTheFuture
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2019, 03:25:02 pm
Fox News will be hosting a town hall with Mayor Pete on Sunday, May 19th.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 25, 2019, 06:33:20 am
My rep Beyer endorses Mayor Pete


As I recall he was an early endorser of Obama too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 25, 2019, 08:02:40 am
Say it ain't so Joe say it ain't so
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 25, 2019, 09:19:28 am
It’s true. I have announced my candidacy and the third time will be the charm.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 25, 2019, 09:27:37 am
My rep Beyer endorses Mayor Pete
I was a little surprised by this early announcement too
I guess we need some people to take a stand earlier than later
this wishy washy commitment from the Dems has always been a problem
We'd win elections if we'd just fall in line and do what they tell us

I think the Democratic primary should be radically changed
I think it should go Ranked Choice Voting...and get rid of this Caucus silliness

Also...it's easy to impersonate Don...how are you going to impersonate Joe?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 25, 2019, 09:31:21 am
I am in Scranton right now. You are aware that I am from Scranton “Key State to winning back White House” Pennsylvania?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 25, 2019, 09:58:37 am
had never heard that...you are from Scranton?  for sure? 
could have sworn you were some coastal elite

Jez you went to some crap college too, could never vote for a Fighting Blue Hen.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 25, 2019, 10:02:58 am
Look folks, do you want to win or not?!?


Does anyone think Scranton Joe can’t do the job?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 25, 2019, 10:19:23 am
I don't think you want hutch anywhere near your wives, girlfriends or daughters while he "impersonates" Joe.

Also...it's easy to impersonate Don...how are you going to impersonate Joe?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 25, 2019, 11:23:19 am
Look folks, this is pretty rich stuff from a Self professed Bernie Bro...now THOSE are the guys you don’t want anywhere near a woman
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 25, 2019, 11:56:02 am
welp Joe...looks like Fox News thinks you can beat donny
 Biden's in for 2020 -- Here's why he'll make Trump a one-term president (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/leslie-marshall-joe-biden-2020-trump-president)

What I found funny is this article says Opinion ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 25, 2019, 01:11:46 pm
Joe...finding some good gifs out ther

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/xTiTnKwDwRpWumX2py/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e5224276374a77045827)(https://media0.giphy.com/media/aKTY6s2GfVjSU/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e56f4549576d366fcd14)this on cracks me up

Some cool joe spots(https://media3.giphy.com/media/d5x9BXaAsjmx2/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e66475572e616f64d7ca)(https://media2.giphy.com/media/cQTps12FQ4djO/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e684576b4c306fe9c4aa)

this kind of stuff appeals to the blue collar casual trump voter
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/RiycG61uQ9YDC/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e7b2544f59527798c233)(https://media2.giphy.com/media/EQBXzg0iZDkCA/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e7e17a72426a63ad029e)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 25, 2019, 02:23:29 pm
guys, when they get to a certain age . . . are fascinating and cliché, all at the same time.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 26, 2019, 04:19:40 pm
aaaaand the Dems have started eating their own:

Warren and Sanders pounce as Biden enters the race (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/warren-sanders-biden/index.html)

in their defense, they did give him a whole day...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 26, 2019, 04:27:07 pm
 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

aaaaand the Dems have started eating their own:

Warren and Sanders pounce as Biden enters the race (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/warren-sanders-biden/index.html)

in their defense, they did give him a whole day...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 26, 2019, 04:47:46 pm
aaaaand the Dems have started eating their own:

Warren and Sanders pounce as Biden enters the race (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/warren-sanders-biden/index.html)

in their defense, they did give him a whole day...

Isn't that what primaries are about?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 26, 2019, 05:18:40 pm
Folks, I am the front runner

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 26, 2019, 06:55:49 pm
At this point in the 2016 primary.... only Kasich, Cruz, Paul  and Rubio announced that they were running

Oh Those were halcyon days
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 29, 2019, 04:01:48 pm
I am in Pittsburgh today (that is in Pennsylvania my birth state)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on April 29, 2019, 07:23:01 pm
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on April 29, 2019, 07:23:24 pm
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2019, 09:20:46 am
Starting numbers


Me 36
Bernie 22


Rest about 10 and below


Sounds about right
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2019, 09:36:02 am
Another one

Me 39
Bernie 15



Folks, it’s clear only I can beat Trump...join me
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 30, 2019, 10:13:18 am
oh, so polls matter now
I'm waiting this one out Joe....let's talk around  March 2nd... 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 30, 2019, 01:39:51 pm
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag
I really hope he gets some jail time for this

also hearing about his fake death threats in Minn too

I think the Left should continue to bring him up as an example that Team Trump is willing to lie/cheat/break laws just so they can attempt to create fake news stories to discredit people they don't like
(I guess they'll do the #whatabout soandso and we should just ignore)

there are NOT good people on both sides...sorry, but that is a fact

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 30, 2019, 02:47:06 pm
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag

"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll. He was formerly an online blogger and a columnist for the website The Gateway Pundit. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)"

lol.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 01, 2019, 11:50:34 am
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag

"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll. He was formerly an online blogger and a columnist for the website The Gateway Pundit. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)"
lol.
more dirt on this dirtbag.
‘Make Sh*t Up’: Inside Jacob Wohl’s Bonkers Investment Plan - The bumbling political operative pitched investors on a scheme to use fake news stories to manipulate political betting markets for profit. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-business-plan-make-shit-up-to-game-political-betting-sites)

little annoyed he's dragging Arlinton's good name into this
The document indicates that Wohl attempted to raise $1 million to fund the Arlington Center for Political Intelligence, which he claimed would “make shit up” to profit from bets on political races and would suppress Democratic turnout in 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 01, 2019, 12:10:06 pm
As if Arlington had a good name.

I was a little annoyed that Justin Fairfax dragged the Fairfax name into his scandal.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 01, 2019, 12:43:42 pm
as if Fairfax had a good name.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 01, 2019, 01:03:23 pm
as if Fairfax had a good name.
it does not...
Fairfax depended on hundreds of slaves who worked among his 30 Virginia plantations. He was active in trading slaves and, despite his age, he proudly participated in a "little talked about" activity called "bedding down with a negro wench" for which Lord Fairfax would pay a fee to the person who supplied the "wench".
 Based on this history, some Fairfax County students are petitioning the Fairfax School Board (and pressuring others such as the Fairfax Park Department's promotion of his cartoon image to children) to drop the use of the Fairfax name and coat of arms, expressing distaste for Lord Fairfax's lifestyle and system of wealth and recognizing that it does not represent the values of the school board as detailed in its mission statement.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 01, 2019, 04:43:43 pm
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag

"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll. He was formerly an online blogger and a columnist for the website The Gateway Pundit. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)"
lol.
more dirt on this dirtbag.
‘Make Sh*t Up’: Inside Jacob Wohl’s Bonkers Investment Plan - The bumbling political operative pitched investors on a scheme to use fake news stories to manipulate political betting markets for profit. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-business-plan-make-shit-up-to-game-political-betting-sites)

"It’s not clear how Wohl, who has become notorious for failing at nearly every dirty tricks plot he hatches, would have pulled any of it off."

seems like beating up on this guy, online, is a popular sport.  more lol.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 01, 2019, 05:27:15 pm
Kamala Harris....wow
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 01, 2019, 05:50:11 pm
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 01, 2019, 06:18:19 pm
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close

I think I mentioned this as my pick 10 pages back but this guy Hutch told me to shut my trap.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 01, 2019, 06:20:23 pm
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close

I think I mentioned this as my pick 10 pages back but this guy Hutch told me to shut my trap.

You want a cookie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 01, 2019, 07:16:52 pm
Wait, are we giving out cookies?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 01, 2019, 07:32:22 pm
Wait, are we giving out cookies?

Fucking snowflakes.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 01, 2019, 07:42:46 pm
Wait, are we giving out cookies?

biden: would hand out butter cookies, the kind grandmas make and no one eats.
harris: cookies with a slightly bitter edge
warren: pretentious cookies (https://twitter.com/chalkmark/status/16137117453262848).
booker: talks so much about how great his cookies are that he never gets around to actually giving them out.
buttigieg: no one knows what's in his cookies, so caveat emptor. folks seems more worried about the cookie next to his cookie, then about the actual cookie he's handing out.
o'rourke: seems like the kind of guy who would hand out pot cookies, then get in really big trouble about it later.
castro: it's galletas, not cookies.
gabbard: we didn't have cookies in iraq, did you know that?
sanders: there are more than enough cookies for EVERYONE.  also, the cookies have too many chocolate chips, must change.
inslee: cookies cause climate change.
gillibrand: she also has cookies, but no one seems to want them.
klobuchar: her campaign has grit, and so do her cookies.  avoid.
swalwell, delaney, yang, hickenlooper, messam, ryan et al: no one has ever tried their cookies. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 02, 2019, 09:09:22 am
Wait, are we giving out cookies?
Fucking snowflakes.
little off brand man, did you forget to sign in as ratbastard
Sweets response earns a POTW

yang: his cookie has a little snipped off the top
hickenlooper: His might have been a pot cookie too...but it would have probably been made with spent grains

got no game on the others...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 02, 2019, 09:20:28 am
it's like we need a Just Announced 2020 thread  (then we'll need a dropping out of 2020 thread too)

Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) announced his 2020 presidential bid on Thursday on CBS This Morning, becoming the 21st candidate to jump into the crowded field.


yikes, not sure this is the best approach, but spot on trolling
Hillary Clinton: ‘China, if you’re listening, why don’t you get Trump’s tax returns?’

and stealing Meghan McCain's great line is appropriate here
"I'm living rent free inside of Donald Trump's brain" calling the president's ongoing fixation on her a "diversion attack." "I guess it is one of their tools to fire up their hard-core base," Clinton said.
"When in doubt, go after me


At first I kinda wanted Hil to stay out of it.  But now that she's not running and Team Trump can not stop talking about her...I think it's good to get some fresh content out there
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 02, 2019, 09:31:21 am
* turd emoji *

I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 09:28:21 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 03, 2019, 09:29:45 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....

Might as well just vote for him, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 09:34:23 am
I am not anyone but even for me it will be a tough slog.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 09:40:31 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 03, 2019, 09:58:52 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.

So if the economy is not doing well for the Trump Voter, who is it doing well for? And who is the "Trump Voter?"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 10:08:52 am
So if the economy is not doing well for the Trump Voter, who is it doing well for? And who is the "Trump Voter?"
I'll assume your response was rhetorical
but I was wrong on the low income worker...
(http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/031319indeed.jpg)
but honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 10:25:23 am
I wonder who could talk to working class folks and speak to their material needs...

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Zcd4GjKsg3nOw/giphy.gif)

Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 10:27:30 am
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President

And if you think voters will look at a growing economy and increasing take home pay and say “Yeah now is the time to try socialism...look at how well it worked in Venezuela” you are nuts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 10:49:00 am
Ah yes, that famous DC insider...Bernie Sanders

That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President

And if you think voters will look at a growing economy and increasing take home pay and say “Yeah now is the time to try socialism...look at how well it worked in Venezuela” you are nuts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 10:59:38 am
I was referring to Sidehatch

Bernie is a non-starter for too many reasons to list

He has no chance to do anything other than play spoiler at a brokered convention

It is important to recognize that in a growing economy with increasing take home pay socialism loses its attractiveness to all but the hardest supporters

But I am glad if people support the candidate that appeals to them as long as they eventually come around to reality

Trump will be almost unbeatable and democrats will need to rally around the strongest candidate to oppose him. This economic recovery began under President Obama’s administration and when the recovery is just picking up steam voters will want someone to ensure it continues not someone to blow it up and try socialism

That someone would be me


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 12:29:45 pm
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honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
So you cherry picked there...as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck

I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom...when you put it like that.  But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day...do you think they'd be excited?

These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all...typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet

I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs.  it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 12:35:12 pm
People will blame Obama for rising health care costs!!! Trump is running against the health care saying he can do something better


I am sure many lower income people have higher income even after rising health care costs...

Without me democrats are toast even with me we only have 25% chance of winning White House

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 12:53:57 pm
Right, and that's not even accounting for other social safety net benefits that are being cut or are on the chopping block by Republicans.  And honestly, only two candidates are actually talking about that stuff in tangible ways that people can relate to...Warren and Sanders (though even Warren gets muddled into too much wonk-ery sometimes).

Biden is complicit in practically every bad policy decision for the last 30 years, and all of those have made life worse for most folks in the middle class. There's no way that's not going to bite him in the ass in the primaries and beyond (which I can't see him making, but weirder things have happened).  It's the same shit with Hillary...at some point you'd think these folks would learn a lesson but maybe not!

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honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
So you cherry picked there...as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck

I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom...when you put it like that.  But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day...do you think they'd be excited?

These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all...typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet

I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs.  it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 12:56:58 pm
^This kind of idiocy gave us Trump and yet there is no learning going on....


I was VP for 8 years in an exemplary presidency but apparently am complicit in every bad thing that has happened the past 30 years.

Give me a break

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 02:24:26 pm
Joe...getting trounced by beto and tied with your bro...bernie

Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) leads President Trump by 10 points in a hypothetical general election matchup, according to a new CNN–SSRS poll.

The survey released Thursday shows O’Rourke with support from 52 percent of registered voters, compared with Trump's 42 percent. Two percent of voters said they wouldn’t support either candidate, and 4 percent said they had no opinion.

O'Rourke held the widest lead over Trump among other Democratic presidential candidates who were included in the potential matchup.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Vice President Joe Biden tied for second place behind O'Rourke, with each leading Trump by 6 points.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 02:34:52 pm
The crazy thing about Bernie people is they feel a visceral need to trash the opponent (now Biden , before Hillary)

Make a case for yourself Betnie. But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire. If he doesn’t win he is taking everybody down as he did in 2016. Except it will be worse because he knows it’s his last shot so he personally has nothing to lose.

Do Bernie supporters ever look at the Trump shitshow and say “Hey you know actually Hillary would have been so much better”

Of course not and that is how we know they lack any grasp of reality or accountability
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 02:51:44 pm
I still don't buy that Bernie is reason Trump won...but that's your hill to die on

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But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire.
that I agree with

In good news...Federal judges toss out Ohio’s congressional map as illegal gerrymander (https://www.cleveland.com/open/2019/05/federal-judges-toss-out-ohios-congressional-map-as-illegal-gerrymander.html)

Friday that Ohio’s gerrymandered congressional district map is unconstitutional, and ordered the creation of a new map in time for the 2020 election.

This is the latest in a series of decisions across the country striking down partisan maps, including in neighboring Michigan and Pennsylvania. Plus, Supreme Court rulings are pending for cases out of North Carolina and Maryland.


trump won with a 400K more votes in OH in 2016, but this should help in congress
where it helps is it brings more people to the polls who were marginalized by the gerry-mander
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 03:04:30 pm
I am sure many lower income people have higher income even after rising health care costs...
Americans have gotten $0.01 more in bonuses since Trump's tax cuts (https://www.axios.com/trump-tax-cuts-american-workers-bonuses-da262033-9c22-4243-9360-4b8fbf91ca58.html)

Big businesses promised wage hikes from Trump's tax cuts. What actually happened?
Corporations are using savings from the 2017 tax law to continue to buy back billions in stock after trumpeting employee bonuses and benefits. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/big-businesses-promised-wage-hikes-trump-s-tax-cuts-what-n970081)

stark contrast to how Trump and Republican lawmakers sold the tax law. "You're going to start seeing a lot more money in your paycheck," Trump said a year ago at an event in Nashville, Tennessee. A couple months earlier, Trump, and then-House Speaker Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., boasted the tax law would likely give typical households a $4,000 a year wage hike, with the White House reporting wages could even increase by more than $9,000 a year.

that did not happen even remotely

Companies spent $929 billion on stock buybacks compared to $7.1 billion on wage increases and bonuses
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 03:27:48 pm
Ehhhhhhh....

exemplary presidency
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 03:43:51 pm
Joe...the right can't seem to stop talking about Hunter
...and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china....what say you about these allegations
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 03:55:11 pm
Fake news?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 03:56:29 pm
Fake news?
works for Trump...but his base believes everything he says
won't work on the dems...
get ahead of this man...least it's better than groping kids
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 04:09:49 pm
Trashing awful Joe Biden aside...so his one son married the widow of the other son?!?!  That's some Deadwood shit, man.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 03, 2019, 04:57:11 pm
I may have to retire from this board
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2019, 05:23:45 pm
I may have to retire from this board
dang joe...can't take the heat, not sure you're a good fit for the job
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on May 03, 2019, 06:35:59 pm
I may have to retire from this board

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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 03, 2019, 06:45:44 pm

But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire.

Fox News: Details of Sanders’ Soviet ‘honeymoon’ exposed, as entourage member recalls shock at Bernie’s America-bashing (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/details-of-sanders-soviet-honeymoon-exposed-as-entourage-member-recalls-shock-at-bernies-america-bashing)

oh noes!!!111
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 05, 2019, 09:19:23 am
Relatable as I'm also too busy to do stuff

Joe Biden says he ‘doesn’t have time’ to lay out his healthcare plan (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-healthcare-2020-campaign-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-a8898926.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2019, 10:29:35 am
this guy needs our support
(https://static.politifact.com/politifact/photos/RushingAd.png)(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43685164_10212802642689742_771447405638844416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_eui2=AeG8Ws50iPxblZGMl-FbVCmE_Ghh8xmcDESTqNi9cs9urQGLrw0Aet31wuO1rUrplHDCglj6ppEfYhmK47H-SxqpTSfmukd2pCDu_NBFwhoNGg&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=fae6a3950adb7e9b513bd6209fb55e6e&oe=5D5F99DB)
I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going on
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 06, 2019, 10:31:36 am
I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going on
Its a real problem. As a compromise in the Julian's America Senate, we had to agree to annex Texas Oil Money to offset our annexation of the Maldives. The Eurocentric portion of JA was worried Asia was getting too large of a voting block.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 06, 2019, 12:39:38 pm
I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going on
Its a real problem. As a compromise in the Julian's America Senate, we had to agree to annex Texas Oil Money to offset our annexation of the Maldives. The Eurocentric portion of JA was worried Asia was getting too large of a voting block.

A+
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2019, 01:28:53 pm
this chant is the reason the dems will loose 2020
 "PowerPoint, PowerPoint, PowerPoint,"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 07, 2019, 04:38:18 pm
Joe...the right can't seem to stop talking about Hunter
...and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china....what say you about these allegations
good news joe.
Ukrainian official knocks down Biden conflict scandal promoted by Rudy Giuliani (https://www.axios.com/ukraine-biden-rudy-giuliani-new-york-times-3e655e72-5612-46eb-92db-040b9e2ec43a.html)

I love how trump was spinning this
Trump himself said on Fox News: "Sure, I’m hearing it’s a major scandal, major problem. I hope for him it is fake news. I don’t think it is."


I HOPE for him...what a disingenuous twat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 07, 2019, 04:46:40 pm
I just got to say man that spreading far right conspiracy theory talking points in the first place is not a good look for you

Joe Biden might have some issues but come on...A powerful senator for decades and two term Vice President...I got to think he is pretty vetted by now

Anyways let’s see how the campaign evolves and remember that any democrat will be 100 times better than Trump

Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 07, 2019, 05:01:12 pm
I just got to say man that spreading far right conspiracy theory talking points in the first place is not a good look for you
this Ukraine thing 'appeared' to have some legs at first glance

but lets not over-inflate the massive influence on the American voter that sidehatch has
I'm sure I've had zero impact on the 12 people on this board

also you have never heard this from me "Hillary and Trump were the same"
and I'm still not buying that Hill lost because of the misinformation campaign from the bernie bros
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 07, 2019, 05:09:14 pm
You do realize Trump won by edging Hillary in PA, WI and MI, right? Very few votes...it’s impossible to conclude anything other than Bernie’s continued campaign when he had no chance (past early March) did not have a big impact in the outcome...he tried out a lot of the attacks that Trump later used and gave them validity in the eyes of voters...And I am not saying you thought Trump and Hillary where the same but it did become a thing or is your memory that poor?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 07, 2019, 05:29:57 pm
I think like 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump vs. like 24% of HRC voters that voted for McCain instead of Obama and he still fucking won! 

Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 07, 2019, 05:34:02 pm
I think like 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump vs. like 24% of HRC voters that voted for McCain instead of Obama and he still fucking won! 

Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary

24% of Hillary supporters voted for McCain rather than Obama?

I call bullshit.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 07, 2019, 05:43:00 pm
Anyways it’s not just about voting for someone but about staying home cause poor Bernie got treated badly and anyways Hillary and Trump are the same. In a close election that makes a difference. Personally I think the country and world would have been way better off with HRC than Trump but how many times did we hear they were the same before the presidential election? If Sanders had dropped out in March Hillary would have won but his campaign kept peddling bullshit about how he could win while they got nastier and nastier...I remember his campaign manager making the argument in March- when they knew he couldn’t win- that the superdelegates should select Bernie even if he had less pledge delegates!!! They knew he couldn’t win but they were enjoying their moment in the sun and the huge money he was raising which made a lot of political consultants very rich so the incentive to keep going was there...unfortunately we know what transpired
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 07, 2019, 05:48:21 pm
Read it and weep, bud. Hillary's PUMAs were not a fan of Obama (way worse than Bernie to HRC): https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.badfa8f018f2

Hutch, your memory is broken and not working past 2016. HRC and Obama were WAY more fucking vicious to each other than HRC and Bernie.  Like, there are videos of this stuff...it's not a hidden secret or anything.  Hell, your girl even wooed voters by saying that Obama might just be assassinated.  Good summary here: https://www.thenation.com/article/the-2008-democratic-primary-was-far-nastier-than-2016s/

I think like 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump vs. like 24% of HRC voters that voted for McCain instead of Obama and he still fucking won! 

Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary

24% of Hillary supporters voted for McCain rather than Obama?

I call bullshit.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 07, 2019, 07:05:52 pm
But Obama won and Hillary lost so that’s on you and your Bernie folk


I assume you did everything you could to get Hillary elected once she was nominated?


I actually remember the Obama Hillary fight very well as I was an early Obama supporter and campaigned for him in the primaries

There was a lot at stake in the last election but many Bernie folk were generally adamant that Hillary was horrible and pretty much the same as Trump...seems laughable now but it happened

Anyways as I thought on Day 1 of the Trump shitshow this will be and is a rematch of sorts between Bernie and the more centrist establishment wing and Bernie folk such as yourself are doing the same thing to Biden that you did to HRC....you said yourself that Biden is responsible for every problem of the past 30 years!!


Anyways we know where we stand but I can tell you one thing: Bernie Sanders will never be President even with my vote but this has gotten tiresome

I can sleep at night knowing I took the Trump threat seriously meaning I thought he could win and did everything in my modest possibilities to get HRC elected
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 07, 2019, 07:15:35 pm
* sees HRC blow an election with MORE support from her primary challenger voters than Obama had from her, while losing 13% of Obama voters and neglecting key battleground states *

Bernie is the problem.

boring post that's too long and boring
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 07, 2019, 09:35:10 pm
but how many times did we hear they were the same before the presidential election?
Let's get this out of the way ...ZERO people on the board felt that way in November of 2016 (I can't speak for NKOTB)

there was a segment of independent voter that Hillary couldn't inspire in key areas...I think that is the problem and you non stop keep saying that someone else is to blame for Hil not getting the vote out in a few critical states...but it was also her election to lose.  We can go back and forth on the spoiler, but all she had to do is get 100k more votes in 3 states and we'd be in a different world altogether.
 It is amazing that it was all about that
how Trump landed that hail mary will certainly go down as one of the greatest upsets in history


Trump didn't even believe he could win...I honestly believe he was hush hush about the russia stuff originally because he was like...'hey man this is the best marketing campaign of all time, The Trump brand will be worth 100 times world wide. It'll be tremendous  Me and my friends are going to be making so much money after this stupid campaign is over"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 07, 2019, 09:57:49 pm
not that this will make a bit of a difference

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures
Show Over $1 Billion in Business Los (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Top+Stories&pgtype=Homepage&fbclid=IwAR3AMWC20tP1uC8fHfypYM9e2OL48T-ZVJncF-P7lgW2LXH808NslncG-aw)


10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times from 85-95
 The 10-year total: $1.17 billion in losses.




wait, can you say that a little clearer

While The Times did not obtain the president’s actual tax returns, it received the information contained in the returns from someone who had legal access to it.


grr...story will be derided on this sentence alone

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 07, 2019, 10:28:28 pm
I am bored but I don’t understand the desire to blame Hillary for her loss...blame the voters or Comey but she did her part...trouncing Trump in the debates...running a fairly tight campaign with many fewer mistakes than trump’s which was a shit show...he went through like 3 campaign managers...and then when Comey reopens the investigation the polls shifted and she knew it which is why she closed in PA

But there is no getting through to you on this...you think:
She lost by very few votes and won the popular vote by three million but ran a terrible campaign (beating him in debates and way out raising him and with Democrats running the better nominating convention by far) Comey influenced nobody, and she lost in a huge upset cause the TV talking Heads told you she was winning and you assumed she would

I am sorry but you have just bought into conventional idiocy...

I am tired of talking about this..



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 07, 2019, 11:04:26 pm
I am bored but I don’t understand the desire to blame Hillary for her loss...
it was her race to lose, that voters were swayed by comey or bernie, maybe, but her campaign should have tried harder...I don't know what the solution was...but she spent $1.2 Billion (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/) (and yes I will conced, she probably would have had closer to 1.5 bill if sanders had dropped out in February...but that's not what happened)
I think they spent their money poorly and couldn't convice people who supported her to come out and vote.
not sure why that is up for debate, but it is

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but ran a terrible campaign
I never said that, but proof is in the pudding
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she lost in a huge upset cause the TV talking Heads told you she was winning and you assumed she would
This I think is the crux of my argument...people thought she would win, so the didn't feel the need to put the jacket on and wait in line, what's the point, she's a shoo in

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I am sorry but you have just bought into conventional idiocy...
why does it always have to end up with and insult to the other person
I've yet to attack YOU in my argument, but you often go in "trump mode" and insult others that 'they are soooo freaking stupid, how you be such a dunce to believe that, only a complete dofus would have that stance'
I guess that's your brand, but it is getting tiresome
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 08, 2019, 09:34:37 am
Let's get this out of the way ...ZERO people on the board felt that way in November of 2016 (I can't speak for NKOTB)

Yeah, I mean...I didn't like HRC, but I'm not insane so of course I voted for her.  Still, I do genuinely think that while, yes, she would not be as grotesque as Trump, in the long run she'd wind up being worse.  Trump is by no means an outlier...this guy is the pure essence of conversatism made flesh.  But if we had another 4 years of bloodless corporate liberalism, I really think that whatever came AFTER would be way worse than Trump. That's what gave us this guy in the first place.

I am bored but I don’t understand the desire to blame Hillary for her loss...blame the voters or Comey but she did her part...trouncing Trump in the debates...running a fairly tight campaign with many fewer mistakes than trump’s which was a shit show...he went through like 3 campaign managers...and then when Comey reopens the investigation the polls shifted and she knew it which is why she closed in PA

Her job was to win an election and she didn't win.  Who else is to blame?!?! If she didn't inspire people that don't vote to show up, or who voted for Obama but were leaning toward Trump, or to campaign enough in swing states where the election is really won, the blame falls on the voters? I mean, yes there are factors she couldn't control once the campaign was in swing (the fact that Republicans have hated her with a passion for almost 30 years, the fact that she was under FBI investigation even if it was for a nothing reason, the fact that she's tied to Bill's bad record, etc.), but like...maybe don't put all of energy behind someone with so much baggage?

She lost by very few votes and won the popular vote by three million

I think this is the rub of it...she got more votes than the guy she ran against. It's just that she didn't get them where it mattered. I get that it's a dumb system, but hey, those are the rules and if you're not campaigning to get votes where they do matter, I don't see how the fault lies anywhere but with her and her campaign.


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 08, 2019, 09:43:58 am
the fact that she's tied to Bill's bad record, etc.
Bill Clinton had the best Presidency of my lifetime and top 3-5 all time. He literally teabags Obama by every measure except how he made millennials feel as he passed virtually none of his agenda.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2019, 10:12:10 am
Bill Clinton had the best Presidency of my lifetime and top 3-5 all time.
well I guess there is room on Mt Rushmore then...that's a bit hyperbolic IMO


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He literally teabags Obama by every measure except how he made millennials feel as he passed virtually none of his agenda.
I really don't know if the first part is true, but don't have the facts to back my argument

but the second...that is true
GOP has been a master at messaging...to their base and setting the agenda on so many topics. 
They are the propaganda masters and Libs just whine and fight with each other

Still, I do genuinely think ... in the long run she'd wind up being worse.
But if we had another 4 years of bloodless corporate liberalism, I really think that whatever came AFTER would be way worse than Trump.
dude, please pass that joint, because you are high as shit if you believe that...definitely helping Hutch's case with that argument
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 08, 2019, 10:53:50 am
This worries me. I get that Trump seems like a bad outlying blip on the radar, but I think what comes after is going to be much much worse. He's a total fascist scumbag, but there is certainly a lot of testing the waters shit going down.  How much will people take?

There was outrage about two stolen SCOTUS seats (including a rapist!), and sure some congressmen got yelled at, but everyone just accepted it in the end.

Sure, we're disgusted at child separation and horrified that some kids died, but beyond using #Resistance when we tweet and sharing articles about it while saying "THIS IS NOT NORMAL", it's still happening.

Rich are getting richer at the expense of actual working class people losing what little safety net they have, and no one is storming the gates.

I do think there's a game to see how far they can take it, and it's just given more leverage to whatever competent ghoul comes next. 

People are going to be more and more willing to accept fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" if they're not given a better alternative, and I don't think HRC and her ilk are that.

Still, I do genuinely think ... in the long run she'd wind up being worse.
But if we had another 4 years of bloodless corporate liberalism, I really think that whatever came AFTER would be way worse than Trump.
dude, please pass that joint, but you are high as shit if you believe that...definitely helping Hutch's case with that argument
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2019, 11:22:45 am
This worries me. ... but there is certainly a lot of testing the waters shit going down.  How much will people take?
I really don't think that anyone in the Dem heirichy is thinking of using Trump's facist model...so not sure where you are going with that
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There was outrage
we're disgusted
no one is storming the gates.
 it's still happening.
umm...isn't this what 2020 is all about.  I'm coming to the opinion that protesting in the streets doesn't do crap.  Problem is now there are SOO many things we're up in arms about their could be a protest every day and we'd still be missing things that are getting destroyed by team trump

Here is how we do it:
Get in power at the state and national level again and then work to make change
we can scream and post memes all we want...but they played the game right (albeit with some very shady tactics) and won.  We know the rules, play the game by the rules and if the people don't want it...then your message isn't being said well or the people really don't want it
In my heart of hearts I think that USA is way more liberal than the elections indicate...but we suck at messaging and getting the vote out.
If we could work on that...this minority majority will be sidelined
The GOP has mastered the tactic of getting people to vote against their own interest ....I don't think the Dem's...including Hill do that at all
The Dems have taken a lot of their constituents for granted, but they are not outright working against them (not in my opinion)

I want the candidates to state their case and platforms....but in the end it's ONLY about getting that fascist criminal out of 1600 Penn....and maybe into a Penitentiary
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People are going to be more and more willing to accept fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" if they're not given a better alternative, and I don't think HRC and her ilk are that.
So again...you are pretty much sealing Hutch's case here and I cannot back your stance on this
Just because the GOP has been overtaken by Team Trump...doesn't mean that any Democrat...including Biden, has any intention on going the fascist route
are any of the 21 candidates doing fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" (well we do need to get better about complaining about the Trump Voter...as that's not going to help our case...see the deplorables incident)


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 08, 2019, 11:54:33 am
Sorry, I wasn't 100% clear. 

I don't think Dems will go full fash by any means, though I do think they'll be more and more willing to accept classism, racism, xenophobia to win over these mythical Republicans on the fence about Trump.

But right now, they're all beholden to corporate interests, are willing to forego their principles to avoid rocking the boat by seeming too left, and typically want to look for some tax credit, or debt refinancing or silicon valley tech solution to problems facing the masses. If they don't refocus efforts on helping their actual base and not whatever lobbying firm gives them the most money, I think voters are going to have an easier and easier time accepting the shit republicans are spewing. 

It's happening everywhere...this isn't some experience unique to the US. And unless Democrats accept that maybe they should change their approach, I think they're dead in the water.

So again...you are pretty much sealing Hutch's case here and I cannot back your stance on this
Just because the GOP has been overtaken by Team Trump...doesn't mean that any Democrat...including Biden, has any intention on going the fascist route
are any of the 21 candidates doing fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" (well we do need to get better about complaining about the Trump Voter...as that's not going to help our case...see the deplorables incident)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2019, 12:02:46 pm
they'll be more and more willing to accept classism, racism, xenophobia to win over these mythical Republicans on the fence about Trump.
this statement...
I don't think any candidate is running on "classism, racism, xenophobia"
even remotely
but the GOP is....so if they American voter likes those things...well then we are  screwed

also, I don't think we'll ever get Republicans (unless this whole presidency goes down Nixon style)...but it's the independent voter is the vote we want.
full on Republicans and those who lean...don't even make up 40% of the poulation
we need to reach out to those people and not worry about getting the Trump voter to turn based on some bombshell news story
(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/03/PP_2019.03.14_Independents_0-01-1.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2019, 05:16:15 pm
Mayor Pete is still trying to ride this wave (and not doing a bad job...but there is a long way to go)

Maybe mayor butt-plug was more appropriate and space was right!

Booty-Judge Judy with Pete Buttigieg! (https://www.thestranger.com/columns/2019/05/08/40142884/booty-judge-judy-with-pete-buttigieg?)

On the campaign trail, everyday Americans have been asking me, "How do you know if a guy has a grade-A booty?" That's easy: proportion. Do you see how each cheek is the same size as his head? That's good balance, the kind of balance I would bring to the White House.

spoiler...this is satire (it's from Dan Savage's site)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 08, 2019, 05:59:20 pm
Booty-Judge

so last month (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=24904.msg486100#msg486100)... sheesh.

(it's from Dan Savage's site)

it's not savage's site.  the stranger is a seattle independent/alternative newspaper - actually, it was a newspaper, they have recently gone digital only (i can hear vansmack clapping already).  savage just happens to be their most known writer.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 09, 2019, 09:23:52 am
I don't know. History has kind of proven that Democrats are willing to move center right pretty willingly to avoid smears that they're soft on crime, or for open borders, or communists, without ever getting smart enough to realize no matter what they do, they'll get the same smears.

I am with you about targeting Republicans.  They like 90+% approve of what Trump's doing...you aren't going to win them over, and there are maybe like 3 actual Never Trump Republicans out there in total.  Get those unmotivated voters and independents...I mean, those are the folks that came out for Obama's "hope and change" and then bailed when it turned out to not be true.

they'll be more and more willing to accept classism, racism, xenophobia to win over these mythical Republicans on the fence about Trump.
this statement...
I don't think any candidate is running on "classism, racism, xenophobia"
even remotely
but the GOP is....so if they American voter likes those things...well then we are  screwed

also, I don't think we'll ever get Republicans (unless this whole presidency goes down Nixon style)...but it's the independent voter is the vote we want.
full on Republicans and those who lean...don't even make up 40% of the poulation
we need to reach out to those people and not worry about getting the Trump voter to turn based on some bombshell news story
(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/03/PP_2019.03.14_Independents_0-01-1.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 09, 2019, 09:24:53 am
Also:

Buttigieg is the only top 2020 candidate not offering staffers health care yet (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1003481?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR01kh7TnVJR-Gg8GXskXqM7uL3OazbIci5ACIoyDCC6JazFS3spUrn0kH8)

It shouldn't be this hard, I dont' think!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 09, 2019, 09:34:49 am
^so again with the pointing guns at your own team....but I'm starting to think you are on the 'destroy the Democratic party team'

staff on campaigns are historically underpaid (if paid at all) and overworked...and I don't have a problem with that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 09, 2019, 09:43:42 am
there are maybe like 3 actual Never Trump Republicans out there in total. 
  lets be clear...these are elected officials who will do anything to keep their job...not voters

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Get those unmotivated voters and independents...I mean, those are the folks that came out for Obama's "hope and change" and then bailed when it turned out to not be true.
So we are now smearing BO's time in office too, yikes

My stance is they bailed...but not for that reason...

I heard a great comment by Bakari Sellers on Maher this week
"the couch is always on the ballot"  and I 100% agree
we must make sure to get people motivated to get up off their ass and vote
I guarantee that if those three states got a do over
the trump vote would probably be exactly the same and the Hil vote would have gone up enough to close the gap
people were not that concerned that she would lose...and I blame the dems for not realizing that and really making strides to make sure that everyone knew that it was going to be razor thin and every vote counts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 09, 2019, 10:16:39 am
^so again with the pointing guns at your own team....but I'm starting to think you are on the 'destroy the Democratic party team'

If they're going to continue to be sell-outs and corporate shills, then yes, push them into a volcano. 

But I truly believe with a little refocus they could be good! I think there are a lot of people that really want to fight the good fight for working people, but that the Dems that want to take big money from donors and do their bidding are digging in their heels because they see a threat to their gravy train. I definitely don't think that any of them automatically earn my vote or respect because they have D next to their name.

I do think Obama was kind of a shitty president in the long run. Practically everyone of his big achievements have been overturned (except ACA but that's been a victim of its own kowtowing to the insurance industry).  Lots of what he ran on didn't come to pass due to his own tail-tucking.  Most people deported under any other president (yes, the definition changed, but still...). Flying murder bots raining hellfire on weddings.  Zero people facing accountability for collapsing the economy or for torture under GWB.  Those things, to me, are bad!

Look, I get he was stone-walled a lot. But he also tried to find common ground with a bunch of maniacs that would refuse anything he offered. SO fuck them and stand for what you believe in. And I do think his shift between campaign rhetoric and what he did as president is a big reason why like 1,000 seats were lost during his term.

I think thats the crux of what these dummies are missing.  I think people aren't willing to as easily accept the lesser of two evils, and more so voters aren't showing up when they're not given a champion. 

staff on campaigns are historically underpaid (if paid at all) and overworked...and I don't have a problem with that

Well, historically kids could work in factories, but that was a bummer and people changed it. I can't really accept that staffers get underpaid or not paid at all. That's garbage and if a candidate does it, I think it speaks volumes to their actual beliefs.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 09, 2019, 10:17:12 am
TL;DR version:

Agreed...give voters something to motivate them to show up at the polls. Right now, I don't think more than 2 or 3 of them actually are.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 09, 2019, 10:38:23 am
staff on campaigns are historically underpaid (if paid at all) and overworked...and I don't have a problem with that

Well, historically kids could work in factories, but that was a bummer and people changed it. I can't really accept that staffers get underpaid or not paid at all. That's garbage and if a candidate does it, I think it speaks volumes to their actual beliefs.
totally disagree and equating kids in factories to campaign staffers is insane
I don't have a problem with people working for a campaign being overworked and underpaid
If you believe in the candidate, put your money where your mouth is
different if you are working to put food on the table for a family...if your family can't afford to have you working on a campaign...the buck up buddy and take care of your family first. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 09, 2019, 12:57:52 pm
can you believe it has only been about ~100 days since the government shutdown ended!
to me it seems like a decade ago...(I had to go look up what happened in the end of January for his poor poll numbers!)

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the shutdown cost the American economy at least $11 billion!


I note this as it was the high point for Trump disapproval (57%) and his lowest approval (39%)

gotta imagine the independent voter hated that and we should really use it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 09, 2019, 01:52:59 pm
there are maybe like 3 actual Never Trump Republicans out there in total. 
  lets be clear...these are elected officials who will do anything to keep their job...not voters

elected officials are voters, too.  a vote is a vote.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 09, 2019, 02:11:53 pm
elected officials are voters, too.  a vote is a vote.

In the Electoral College system, this is only true depending on what state you live in.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 09, 2019, 02:35:15 pm
Dems need to heed the words of Bill Gates (https://gizmodo.com/bill-gates-actually-made-a-good-point-about-the-sociali-1834549235)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 10, 2019, 11:30:54 am
Lot of Trump States are getting a major impact by this trade war with china
2020 is far enough away that the long term impact will be felt by voters

This could be the thread that unravels his 'great economy' benefit he has into 2020


'nother thing the Dems could focus on ...REAL PLANS for job retraining of Americans in poor areas
forget manufacturing and COAL...people hate those jobs to begin with, but that's all they can do



States where automation will wipe out the most jobs in the U.S.

The five states with the highest share of at-risk jobs are Indiana (29%), Kentucky (29%), South Dakota (28%), Arkansas (28%), and Iowa (28%) — all of which went for President Trump in 2016.
Compare that to the bottom five: New York (20%), Maryland (20%), Massachusetts (21%), Connecticut (22%) and New Mexico (22%), all of which went for Hillary Clinton.


I'm also a big fan of mandatory civil service for 18 year olds (could be the mil, but also Teach4America, peace corps, even working for your local city gov't)
this could really change everything 20 years down the road
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 10, 2019, 01:57:00 pm
Joe...the right can't seem to stop talking about Hunter
...and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china....what say you about these allegations
good news joe.
Ukrainian official knocks down Biden conflict scandal promoted by Rudy Giuliani (https://www.axios.com/ukraine-biden-rudy-giuliani-new-york-times-3e655e72-5612-46eb-92db-040b9e2ec43a.html)

I love how trump was spinning this
Trump himself said on Fox News: "Sure, I’m hearing it’s a major scandal, major problem. I hope for him it is fake news. I don’t think it is."

So Goul-iani is making a special trip to the Ukraine to 'get to the bottom of this'
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/politics/giuliani-ukraine-biden/index.html

Giuliani said he's meeting in his capacity as the President's personal lawyer and helping to defend his client.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 10, 2019, 02:22:42 pm
the Ukraine

TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/).  it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 10, 2019, 02:25:54 pm
Ukraine is game to you!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 10, 2019, 02:42:26 pm
^ i lol'ed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 10, 2019, 02:46:11 pm
Ukraine is game to you!?
I was getting ready to put the gif of them on the train playing risk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 10, 2019, 03:27:35 pm
TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/).  it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".

Off to The Siberia for Sidehatch....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 10, 2019, 03:41:05 pm
TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/).  it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".

Off to The Siberia for Sidehatch....
that The Sidehätch to you buddy!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 10, 2019, 04:13:04 pm
TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/).  it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".

Off to The Siberia for Sidehatch....

my lawyer has spoken.  i have no further comment at this time.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 10, 2019, 05:37:23 pm
i have no further comment at this time.

He'll be joining whomever put this carpet RIGHT HERE!

https://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/1126953461160001537
 
@SomeonesAnIdiot

You’d think Vladimir Putin would be prepared for a carpet when it’s his favorite color
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 11, 2019, 08:28:41 pm
I sure hope I can pull that off that kind of wipe out and recovery when I'm 66
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 13, 2019, 09:03:55 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....

I don't know if this great economy and jobs are going to last with this trade war stuff
China will impose retaliatory tariffs on $60 billion in U.S. goods

My stock advice SELL
this trade war is going to fuck with our economy and really hurt the lower/middle classes...which is the Trump base
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 13, 2019, 09:12:49 am
I was offline most of the weekend...what did I miss here?

I sure hope I can pull that off that kind of wipe out and recovery when I'm 66
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 13, 2019, 09:16:32 am
This is what the 66 yr old is in ref too
https://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/1126953461160001537
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 13, 2019, 09:48:31 am
  DEMOCRATS>>>FOCUS ON GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT>>>these voters want what you are proposing...just not from you?!
from Axios (https://www.axios.com/focus-group-trump-supporters-like-liberal-proposals-but-still-love-trump-66518863-c821-49ea-bab5-226c0b013de1.html)...
Some of President Trump's supporters in Sioux City, Iowa love liberal populist proposals. They just don't love the 2020 Democrats as the messengers.
A focus group of swing voters — all of whom voted for Trump in 2016 — strongly supported a student loan debt plan that would cancel up to $50,000 in student debt for people whose families make less than $100,000 per year.
They also want to tax American corporations, specifically big banks, to pay for Trump's infrastructure plans.
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is, given that the voters were skeptical of the entire Democratic field.
Taxing big banks was the most popular idea to pay for infrastructure, beating out an increase in the federal gas tax or borrowing money from other countries.
They're not excited about any of the 2020 Democrats running for president, and they only really recognized Warren, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.

    The economy was the issue that came up the most ... no one said they've seen an increase in their own wages or financial situation.



as I said, the numbers in the news makes it sound like everyone is livin' the high life now that trump fixed the economy...but most low/middle class Americans are not reaping the benefits of this great economy (but the billionaires and corps certainly are)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 13, 2019, 09:57:53 am
LOL that rocks.

This is what the 66 yr old is in ref too
https://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/1126953461160001537
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 13, 2019, 10:13:13 am
  DEMOCRATS>>>FOCUS ON GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT>>>these voters want what you are proposing...just not from you?!
from Axios (https://www.axios.com/focus-group-trump-supporters-like-liberal-proposals-but-still-love-trump-66518863-c821-49ea-bab5-226c0b013de1.html)...
Some of President Trump's supporters in Sioux City, Iowa love liberal populist proposals. They just don't love the 2020 Democrats as the messengers.
A focus group of swing voters — all of whom voted for Trump in 2016 — strongly supported a student loan debt plan that would cancel up to $50,000 in student debt for people whose families make less than $100,000 per year.
They also want to tax American corporations, specifically big banks, to pay for Trump's infrastructure plans.
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is, given that the voters were skeptical of the entire Democratic field.
Taxing big banks was the most popular idea to pay for infrastructure, beating out an increase in the federal gas tax or borrowing money from other countries.
They're not excited about any of the 2020 Democrats running for president, and they only really recognized Warren, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.

    The economy was the issue that came up the most ... no one said they've seen an increase in their own wages or financial situation.



as I said, the numbers in the news makes it sound like everyone is livin' the high life now that trump fixed the economy...but most low/middle class Americans are not reaping the benefits of this great economy (but the billionaires and corps certainly are)

These deplorables are living under a rock and get what they deserve.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on May 13, 2019, 10:23:31 am
Unfortunately, we get what they deserve too.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 13, 2019, 10:25:53 am
Unfortunately, we get what they deserve too.
tru dat! {deleted}
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 13, 2019, 10:39:40 am
Unfortunately, we get what they deserve too.

As a middle class, middle aged white guy who doesn't really stand to benefit from liberal populist proposals, I'll probably be fine either way.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 13, 2019, 10:48:45 am
Elizabeth Warren town hall at GMU this Thursday if anyone's interested: https://my.elizabethwarren.com/page/s/join-elizabeth-in-northern-virginia-

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 13, 2019, 12:12:01 pm
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,

so they're saying they're not ready for a female president?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2019, 09:58:24 am
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,

so they're saying they're not ready for a female president?

Let's face it. There have been three tickets with women on them and they all lost. I think Nikki Haley has a better chance of being the first female president than any Democrat women.

I like this guy. But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 14, 2019, 10:18:32 am
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2019, 10:35:40 am
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.

Though it does seem like we've lost sight of Cory and O'Rourke.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 14, 2019, 10:36:42 am
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.

Though it does seem like we've lost sight of Cory and O'Rourke.
Beto is still in the alliterative mix.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2019, 11:05:15 am
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.

Though it does seem like we've lost sight of Cory and O'Rourke.
Beto is still in the alliterative mix.

Warren is probably kicking herself for going with the Native American angle all these years instead of just opting to call herself "Beth."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2019, 11:10:28 am
2020 Dems with B
Bennet
Biden
Booker
Bullock
Buttigieg
Beto
Bernie
Beth

Bloomberg (not announced, but listed as possible)

I can here it now "Let's go with the B-team"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 14, 2019, 12:39:55 pm
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,

so they're saying they're not ready for a female president?

Let's face it. There have been three tickets with women on them and they all lost. I think Nikki Haley has a better chance of being the first female president than any Democrat women.

dude, you're a stats guy.  you know that you can't draw any conclusions from n=3.

I like this guy. But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html)

i had never heard of this guy before this morning.  i fear that he's DOA (even if his name starts with a B).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2019, 02:47:15 pm
I like this guy. But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html)

i had never heard of this guy before this morning.  i fear that he's DOA (even if his name starts with a B).
the thing about Montana Gov. Steve Bullock ...is he is a Democrat gov that won in a red state the same election that Trump won....so there is a draw to find someone who can pull in the redish vote and still be a dem
but I do agree, we are at 22 now and it's getting really hard to get name recognition
I think NOT having a b is an asset a this point
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 14, 2019, 02:59:32 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2019, 03:07:24 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
there is already a logo out there
(https://groundedpgh.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/0.jpg)

even one for you too sweets
(https://www.accerta.ca/usercontent/blog/BCorps_Canada.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 14, 2019, 03:57:12 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2019, 04:37:07 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?
does it count if she works the merch table?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 14, 2019, 04:45:43 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?
does it count if she works the merch table?
Depends — is she being paid a living wage and do her benefits comply with the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act? What is the written procedure for reporting harassment claims at the merch table? #VirtueSignalling
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2019, 05:11:39 pm
does it count if she works the merch table?
Depends — is she being paid a living wage and do her benefits comply with the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act? What is the written procedure for reporting harassment claims at the merch table? #VirtueSignalling
Ok this is getting complicated....since bands are essentially homeless (living out of their van) and not even a resident of a state...how do you determine a 'living wage'
do you have to pro-rate it for the actual city they are in?
I'd most certainly want to make sure that as a principle that she get paid more than any other males at the merch table (ya know reparations)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 15, 2019, 01:44:33 pm
beth...come on now...you got to reach out to those who are not aware of your message.  Huffpost won't win ya the primaries

Elizabeth Warren rejects Fox News town hall invite, slams network's 'hate-for-profit' model (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html)

Liz...these are the facts...
February 2019 marked a whopping 32 consecutive months for Fox News as the most-watched basic cable network in total day with 1.5 million viewers.
(although...1.5 mil doesn't sound like that much to me....)

while I agree with her thoughts on Faux (the network "balances a mix of bigotry, racism, and outright lies with enough legit journalism to make the claim to advertisers that it's a reputable news outlet. It's all about dragging in ad money -- big ad money.")
..but that is where the people go who's vote you need
and it's Free

You know who is going on ....Mayor Pete
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60321851_398583297395922_8747160459804672_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeFWXagAEjCoDDlmbYKMdpx5NhSBwPtFdJ8UWwjs7niUmuXal351KQ0FNbK8w7P66Hj0a3K2An9r5nIIb9nZFMZMZyCerZT2yrA9kfvKUR1ZbQ&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=c2d8aeff0bc39addc51f59d2f724d7a9&oe=5D9E6351)


This is going to be the litmus test for who can beat trump...you have to be able to face crowds that are against you ...in person and on twitter
and come out smelling like roses, not some wussy
The Dem who is going to win is going to be quick on their feet and not back down
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 15, 2019, 04:02:37 pm
Kamala just announced she'd refuse as well.

I'm torn...obviously Fox News can sink into the sea, along with everyone that's a part of it (you too, Shep), but on the flip side, providing a competing narrative probably isn't a bad thing. Not that any of the lunatics I know that are into Fox News would listen to most of the Dem candidates.

beth...come on now...you got to reach out to those who are not aware of your message.  Huffpost won't win ya the primaries

Elizabeth Warren rejects Fox News town hall invite, slams network's 'hate-for-profit' model (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2019, 04:05:59 pm
I think it’s madness to go on Fox
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 15, 2019, 04:24:31 pm
I disagree...I think its essential to go on fox.  It allows the candidate to set the narrative and not fox
anchors.  If they can't take the heat from Fox...then get out of the funkin' kitchen
Bernie made Fox look kind of stupid when most of the studio audience agreed with him

There are a lot of people that live in 'Trump/fox' households where Fox is on 24/7 and they hear all that crap all day long, I hope that just a small sliver of those people (who don't control the remote) see what the dems are really saying and not how fox spins it

Who knows, maybe a waste of time...but it's free press, jez how could you turn that up

Now if it was the Daily Stormer or ISIS-TV...I'd recommend avoiding
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2019, 04:53:56 pm
I disagree...I think its essential to go on fox.  It allows the candidate to set the narrative and not fox
anchors.  If they can't take the heat from Fox...then get out of the funkin' kitchen
Bernie made Fox look kind of stupid when most of the studio audience agreed with him

There are a lot of people that live in 'Trump/fox' households where Fox is on 24/7 and they hear all that crap all day long, I hope that just a small sliver of those people (who don't control the remote) see what the dems are really saying and not how fox spins it

Who knows, maybe a waste of time...but it's free press, jez how could you turn that up

Now if it was the Daily Stormer or ISIS-TV...I'd recommend avoiding

My in-laws are a Fox household. Unless the candidate condemns abortion as baby-killing, nothing else they say matters.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 15, 2019, 05:15:02 pm
Unless the candidate condemns abortion as baby-killing, nothing else they say matters.
this is appearing to be THE wedge issue in the south right now
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2019, 05:17:01 pm
Anyone who watches Fox regularly is not worth appealing to....appeal to your base but make it wide..turn them out...or did we learn nothing from Trump?


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2019, 05:27:12 pm
I really don’t get the point of targeting Fox watchers

First of all it’s rather weak and pathetic...target them in the presidential debates or anywhere else...Fox is the enemy period...the sooner we get that the better

Give the Obama coalition something to vote for and yes that does mean black people

Had Hillary been able to turn them out she would have won


Having said this I think Trump is a shoo in for a second term unless the economy slows by mid next year and I am betting it won’t

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2019, 05:30:45 pm
The China move sealed it for Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 15, 2019, 05:38:24 pm
The China move sealed it for Trump
I think the china move may be a short term disaster on the economy...but I only play an economist on the internet...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2019, 05:44:32 pm
I doubt it....


But regardless surely you see how he has given his base every single thing he promised?


He is the first modern  US President to actually take on China on trade.

Why would someone who voted for Trump in 2016 not vote for him in 2020?

Think about it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 15, 2019, 07:00:15 pm
I dont disagree...so get people to vote that don't.

I doubt it....


But regardless surely you see how he has given his base every single thing he promised?


He is the first modern  US President to actually take on China on trade.

Why would someone who voted for Trump in 2016 not vote for him in 2020?

Think about it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 15, 2019, 08:13:44 pm
the more the merrier!!!

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio to announce 2020 presidential run (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/15/politics/bill-de-blasio-2020-presidential-announcement/index.html)

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio will enter the 2020 Democratic presidential primary on Thursday morning, a senior Iowa Democrat with knowledge of the plans confirmed to CNN.

De Blasio's Thursday entrance into the race, which was first reported by NBC News, will bring the total number of candidates to 23 with nearly nine months before the first votes are cast.


new rule: if any more Dems announce their candidacy, they have to play "yakety sax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ)" while climbing out of a clown car.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 15, 2019, 08:21:52 pm
Double B!! Of the Non-#ForTheFuture
wing of the party, this is checkmate, bitchastards.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2019, 09:06:49 pm
The China move sealed it for Trump

Where is China moving to?

New Quinnipiac Poll in Pennsylvania: https://poll.qu.edu/pennsylvania/release-detail?ReleaseID=2620

Biden 53%
Trump 42%

Sanders 50%
Trump 43%

Warren 47%
Trump 44%

Buttigieg 45%
Trump 44%

Harris 45%
Trump 45%

Trump 46%
O'Rourke 44%
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2019, 09:27:59 pm
Polls are a joke


As far as getting new people to vote you ain’t going to do it goingbon Fox
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on May 15, 2019, 09:31:31 pm
Polls are a joke

Pollish jokes are generally considered racist.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 16, 2019, 09:21:14 am
^good one.   As a Polish-American, I appreciate someone having our back ;) 
I'm concerned that the MAGA is exhuming the body of Archie Bunker...and he was the king of the polish jokes (related....the Polish ambassador was just assaulted Israel...although the Pols are trying to whitewash their involvement in the Holocaust...so I'm not backing the current administration by any means)

one last thing on going on Fox.  Dems have always had a messaging problem and if they don't go on Fox, they allow Fox to set the message.  I don't think they will net that many voters (but honestly we didn't really need that many), but they can stave off the insanity that fox drums up by putting words in the mouths of the dems and not allowing them to defend things that fox will continually accuse them of.
If you want to be the President of ALL America, you have to go where the people are, not avoid them
Also, going on fox is hard and they are going to get a coordinated attack on everything they stand for and if they come out without totally embarrassing themselves, they will be stronger candidates.
I agree that 95% of the people who voted for trump, will do the same...but if we can reach that 5%...that's the election. 



I have to say, this new immigration policy is actually something I can get behind
yes it doesn't address some of the other issues (the 11mil who are here now, Dreamers, the border)

but you have to start somewhere...So far on first glance, I agree with this
Yikes

What shocks me a little is SMiller was involved and was for sure thinking it was going to be more radical (as I'm sure the base wants)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 16, 2019, 10:23:18 am
I asked my wife what she though about Warren not going on Fox and she said "She should do it. Bernie did it."

Doesn't Warren run the risk of being HRC 2.0 by snubbing "the deplorables?"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 16, 2019, 10:48:41 am
new rule: if any more Dems announce their candidacy, they have to play "yakety sax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ)" while climbing out of a clown car.
yes that is the proper name of that song...but I think we can all agree that it's the 'Benny Hill Theme song' and give the show/man some props to making this song a part of the cannon of modern music ;)
really is a great background song for any type of mayhem

the wiki on this is a great read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakety_Sax
hit #35 on the UK rock charts in 63!...prior to Benny hill
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 16, 2019, 12:03:22 pm
I asked my wife what she though about Warren not going on Fox and she said "She should do it. Bernie did it."

Doesn't Warren run the risk of being HRC 2.0 by snubbing "the deplorables?"


Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 16, 2019, 12:30:51 pm
Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
So you make a good point on this

but I kinda feel like we also need to act a little like we are in the general and not drive so hard to sell to our base, but appeal to those on the outside edge of the base that might consider selecting D in nov 2020
(because everyone is paying attention to the dems even if they are not planning on voting for them)

I think there are a lot of people who have been voting republican against their own interest and just sucked in by the culture war
Maybe if we try to rise above the culture war (HA!) and part of this election should be to gently show them that we are looking out for them
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 16, 2019, 12:33:20 pm
I couldn't recall if she said this during the primary or general election, so while I was looking up the date, I realized I had completely forgotten that Tim Kaine was her VP lol

I asked my wife what she though about Warren not going on Fox and she said "She should do it. Bernie did it."

Doesn't Warren run the risk of being HRC 2.0 by snubbing "the deplorables?"


Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 16, 2019, 12:42:23 pm
Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
So you make a good point on this

but I kinda feel like we also need to act a little like we are in the general and not drive so hard to sell to our base, but appeal to those on the outside edge of the base that might consider selecting D in nov 2020
(because everyone is paying attention to the dems even if they are not planning on voting for them)

I think there are a lot of people who have been voting republican against their own interest and just sucked in by the culture war
Maybe if we try to rise above the culture war (HA!) and part of this election should be to gently show them that we are looking out for them

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 16, 2019, 12:46:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwaiyjh1dGk

Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
So you make a good point on this

but I kinda feel like we also need to act a little like we are in the general and not drive so hard to sell to our base, but appeal to those on the outside edge of the base that might consider selecting D in nov 2020
(because everyone is paying attention to the dems even if they are not planning on voting for them)

I think there are a lot of people who have been voting republican against their own interest and just sucked in by the culture war
Maybe if we try to rise above the culture war (HA!) and part of this election should be to gently show them that we are looking out for them

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 17, 2019, 01:22:58 pm
Difference seems pretty clear...

Bernie Sanders Used His Campaign Data To Drive Turnout On Strike Picket Lines (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-campaign-strike-picket-lines_n_5cdecf96e4b09e057802f44c)

California health care union protests Joe Biden fundraiser
 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/california-health-care-union-protest-joe-biden-fundraiser/story?id=62892502)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 18, 2019, 11:09:02 am
“Biden Dirty” needs to become a thing. I don’t know what that thing is — a never-Biden cry by the progressive wing, an urban get-out-The-vote campaign by Biden’s team, something else entire — but someone needs to grab this an run with it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 18, 2019, 01:06:56 pm
“Biden Dirty” needs to become a thing. I don’t know what that thing is — a never-Biden cry by the progressive wing, an urban get-out-The-vote campaign by Biden’s team, something else entire — but someone needs to grab this an run with it.

"after that scare, my underpants weren't just soiled - they were Biden dirty".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 21, 2019, 10:48:39 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7GTfpTUYAQvH2h.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 21, 2019, 10:52:45 am
^ that's enough to get my vote
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 21, 2019, 11:22:38 am
Ok on the important stuff...who's got the best merch


I like Julian's
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-rv3kl6flcc/images/stencil/500x659/products/157/422/loteriaCard_white_unisexFront__02333.1554838406.png?c=2&imbypass=on)

I'm not really sure what this is trying to tell potential voters?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0073/9151/0591/products/jkd-store-eraser_470x.jpg?v=1551908707)
Got some good pun'sters at Joe's camp
(https://mondrian.mashable.com/uploads%252Fcard%252Fimage%252F987049%252F94129b1c-8881-4eed-bcea-4cacacfecaf3.jpg%252Ffit-in__1200x9600.jpg?signature=xlqQ4iWEZIfeiegao8onTGpCNV8=&source=https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com)

Sawell is the only one offering shoelaces
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Marianne...get a new art director please
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Yang really should be using an uncut member as his logo...not sure about what this is about
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I like that mayor pete is helping us pronounce his name
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Not from his campaign, but I like it
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Warren has some interesting merch
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this one's a little dark (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1908/6551/products/bsd_ew_apron_white_ms01_530x@2x.jpg?v=1534948755)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 21, 2019, 12:22:15 pm
Cup 'o JO...like the sound of that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 22, 2019, 12:41:00 pm
...voter turnout has always been THE issue  (to me)
I mostly think that, because I feel that an overwhelming majority of eligible voters are Dems or support liberal policies and we've been hijacked by a crafty (and at times illegal) minority focused on the long game and excellent at always getting to the polls

but at the same time, if we had record high turnout and they want to re-elect Trump....sobeit, the people have spoken

 experts say the 2020 voter turnout could be the highest in a century.

According to Michael McDonald, an elections expert at the University of Florida*, turnout for the 2020 presidential election could be as high as 67%
(Turnout in the 2016 presidential election was 60%.)
    Trump's driving turnout among those most unhappy with him (younger voters and people of color) even when he's not on the ballot.
    And Trump voters aren't a growing demographic group. The share of whites with less than a 4-year degree — Trump's constituency — dropped by 3% from 2014 to 2018.
Older white people already tend to vote at high rates, and they're close to their maximum turnout already.
By contrast, you'll see bigger turnout increases among young people, people of color, and low-income people — generally important constituencies for the Democratic Party — because they vote in lower numbers.


*...he is a Florida Man and at the same time not sure about the credibility of a Doobie Brother on US elections?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 22, 2019, 01:13:58 pm
oh that's good
you may need to watch 73 episodes of GOT to get the inside joke
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 22, 2019, 01:17:30 pm
...voter turnout has always been THE issue  (to me)

In the states that matter...

Let's not forget that Hillary Clinton received the second highest vote total in history, and still lost the electoral college by over 75 points.  She turned people out in Blue states that were already going to vote for her, but lost by slim margins in the swing states that mattered electorally. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 22, 2019, 04:02:12 pm
good to see  astronaut Mark Kelly may make AZ 2-D state!
Knew he was Scott Kelly's bro...but had no idea he was married to Gabby Giffords
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 22, 2019, 04:18:14 pm
good to see  astronaut Mark Kelly may make AZ 2-D state!
Knew he was Scott Kelly's bro...but had no idea he was married to Gabby Giffords
I knew he was Gabby Gifford's husband (this is in fact the only reason I was aware who he was pre-running for office) but was unaware he was Scott Kelly's bro. I am also unaware who Scott Kelly is. (I mean, obviously aside from him being Mark Kelly's bro.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 22, 2019, 04:37:02 pm
I am also unaware who Scott Kelly is.
In 2015, he set the record for the  single longest space mission (342 days) by an American* astronaut

(*Russian cosmonaut Valery Polyakov spent 438 consecutive days in space in 95)

He also had a great twitter feed with tons of photos from the ISS
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 22, 2019, 04:40:03 pm
So he's a dude who came in second. Wishing better for his bro, Mark, husband of Gabby, first of his name.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 22, 2019, 07:53:58 pm
They're not just brothers, they're twin brothers and have dedicated their lives to seeing the effects space travel has on the human body.   Their NASA Twin study is super cool stuff about how their bodies changed in space and morphed back (mostly) to the normal earth human build, in most cases.  Sometimes it did not.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 22, 2019, 08:00:22 pm
Cool story, bro.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 22, 2019, 08:29:09 pm
So he's a dude who came in second. Wishing better for his bro, Mark, husband of Gabby, first of his name.

Second to a guy with a chick's name.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 28, 2019, 09:48:39 am
Yes, these are meaningless, but I like to watch the horse race as it happens...
The first debates will be held next month in Miami, even though the Iowa caucuses will not take place until February 2020.

Mayor Pete comes from behind to leave some big names in the dust.
Top 4 make sense
Surprised to see Julian in the top 10

Who are the top contenders?  (from the Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445504-the-top-10-democrats-in-the-2020-race) 5/28) and yes this is a biased source, but I'm reading the hill more than most conservative rags, as it's not total masochistic cuckold of Trump

1. Former Vice President Joe Biden
Previous ranking: 2

2. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)
Previous ranking: 3

3. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass)
Previous ranking: 5

4. Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.)
Previous ranking: 1

5. South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D)
Previous ranking: n/a

6. Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas)
Previous ranking: 4

7. Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.)
Previous ranking: 6

8. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.)
Previous ranking: 7

9. Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julian Castro
Previous ranking: n/a

10. Businessman Andrew Yang
It's funny they rank him as 10th…and then say
It is virtually inconceivable that Yang will be the nominee
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 28, 2019, 10:02:08 am
Maybe bad news is what we need to get people to the polls?
but this makes me want to start drinking before 10AM


3 forecast modelers predict Trump will win in 2020


Steven Rattner, "car czar" and counselor to the Treasury secretary in the Obama administration, cites three different modelers in his N.Y. Times commentary, "Trump’s Formidable 2020 Tailwind."

The big picture: Trump wins all three modelers.

    Ray Fair, a professor at Yale, "found that the growth rates of gross domestic product and inflation have been the two most important economic predictors — but he also found that incumbency was also an important determinant of presidential election outcomes."

    "Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, has looked at 12 models, and Mr. Trump wins in all of them."

    "Donald Luskin of Trend Macrolytics has reached the same conclusion in his examination of the Electoral College."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 28, 2019, 10:14:33 am
Surprised to see Julian in the top 10
FOR THE FUTURE gets closer every day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 28, 2019, 11:02:27 am
This is what I been saying....

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 28, 2019, 11:58:42 am
In somewhat good news
...looks like Nevada is just a signature away from adding it's 6 votes to the National Popular Vote interstate compact
Maine's 4 are not not far behind

both only get us to 199...71 short of what we need
 (and even if we get 270...not guaranteed it won't get shut down by the Supremes.)

Gotta come at this election from all angles...
Get the vote out
Make it easier to register (auto registration with Drivers license should be mandatory in all states)
Make early voting absentee voting available in all states
stop gerrymandering where we can
NPV
and Felons...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 29, 2019, 08:56:46 am
The DNC announced on Wednesday that it would double the requirements for candidates to reach the 2020 debate stage in September
After the first round of June and July debates, candidates will need to obtain 2% support in four approved polls over the summer and obtain contributions from at least 130,000 donors before Aug. 28 to qualify for the second debate round.


I noticed Gillibrand may not make it to the June stage...not sure what other big players might get dropped by a technical foul
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on May 29, 2019, 09:59:06 am
The DNC announced on Wednesday that it would double the requirements for candidates to reach the 2020 debate stage in September
After the first round of June and July debates, candidates will need to obtain 2% support in four approved polls over the summer and obtain contributions from at least 130,000 donors before Aug. 28 to qualify for the second debate round.


I noticed Gillibrand may not make it to the June stage...not sure what other big players might get dropped by a technical foul

Isn't the real headline out of this that Gillibrand isn't really a big player?  You cannot you be a big player if you cannot get support and raise money. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 29, 2019, 11:03:54 am
Isn't the real headline out of this that Gillibrand isn't really a big player?  You cannot you be a big player if you cannot get support and raise money.
I 100% agree...she looked like a contender early on when there were only 5 people running
heck I think Gravel has more support
Was never a big fan to begin with
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on May 29, 2019, 01:12:58 pm
Isn't the real headline out of this that Gillibrand isn't really a big player?  You cannot you be a big player if you cannot get support and raise money.
I 100% agree...she looked like a contender early on when there were only 5 people running
heck I think Gravel has more support
Was never a big fan to begin with

We dislike her for different reasons.  I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done.  But in the end, that's why she's flailing, she's no one's first choice.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 29, 2019, 01:24:05 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...

this never sat well with me "Gillibrand had an 'A' rating from the NRA"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 29, 2019, 01:46:35 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
I wholeheartedly agree with gavroche and would love to see Julian name her his VP nominee (for the future).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on May 29, 2019, 05:15:25 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
I wholeheartedly agree with gavroche and would love to see Julian name her his VP nominee (for the future).

This is why I dislike her, she's a longterm moderate who decided to tack left but it just hasn't felt natural for her.

As for Franken, I think he needed to go and I am glad she pushed him.  There was a moment there when I thought he might survive and I think giving up that moral high ground is too costly.  I'm sorry that it felt calculating when she did it, but that is more about her move left.   

We cannot have any tolerance for sexual harassment.  Mock groping a sleeping woman, even as a joke, is not ok and there were pictures.  The woman in the picture said she didn't consent and that she felt harassed, and so you have to take her at her word.  I don't care that Republicans will never live up to that standard. Let them be the party of sexual harassment; we need to keep up a firm distinction

I don't care that Franken was charming and effective at taking on Trump.  The long term moral erosion from keeping him was too high.  Minor harassment cannot be excused just because the other sides' candidates are worse harassers.  In the end if we do that, we just end up in the same place.

I think the Northam Virginia thing is a good example of what happens when you worry too much about the immediate and don't maintain your moral compass.  The Dems will keep the Governorship in the short term, but I think it is going to have long term corrosive impact for the whole party, and hurt their chances of taking back the VA House and Senate. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 29, 2019, 05:46:48 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
This is why I dislike her, she's a longterm moderate who decided to tack left but it just hasn't felt natural for her.
  Until you said it that way and I did more research...I kind of agree
when I saw she got an A from the NRA was about all I needed to know

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We cannot have any tolerance for sexual harassment.  Mock groping a sleeping woman, even as a joke, is not ok and there were pictures.
So I don't know what the middle ground is here.  I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I assume that your stance is there is no reconciliation for past bad behavior
I too struggle with this, but I felt his 'crimes' were pretty low level...but still offensive none the less...

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The long term moral erosion from keeping him was too high.  Minor harassment cannot be excused
I don't think it should be excused, but not sure the punishment fits the crime
but you do have to take a stand at some point and say harassment is harassment and it has to stop. 

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I think the Northam Virginia thing .... The Dems will keep the Governorship in the short term, but I think it is going to have long term corrosive impact for the whole party, and hurt their chances of taking back the VA House and Senate.
I don't know if I agree with this...although not sure
I really didn't think he'd survive that and he's out there getting shit done
stuff I'm glad he's there doing
"signs law to remove autism health coverage age cap" 
"Northam vetoed a bill that would have allowed the General Assembly to redraw legislative districts, apart from the redistricting process in the year following the census."

I'm hoping to see one where he gets his pledge to make community college free for VA residents too


The good thing for him is that VA is a one term Governorship...so he won't have to run for reelection
Will it hurt the Dems chances to take the house...I'm not sure
I think he has had a very documented history of doing things for the African American community and I think they will remember that
He definitely fumbled the response, but I'm glad he didn't resign
Just means he's going to have to do a lot more for the AA community and that's not a bad thing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on May 29, 2019, 08:49:36 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
This is why I dislike her, she's a longterm moderate who decided to tack left but it just hasn't felt natural for her.
  Until you said it that way and I did more research...I kind of agree
when I saw she got an A from the NRA was about all I needed to know

Quote
We cannot have any tolerance for sexual harassment.  Mock groping a sleeping woman, even as a joke, is not ok and there were pictures.
So I don't know what the middle ground is here.  I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I assume that your stance is there is no reconciliation for past bad behavior
I too struggle with this, but I felt his 'crimes' were pretty low level...but still offensive none the less...

Quote
The long term moral erosion from keeping him was too high.  Minor harassment cannot be excused
I don't think it should be excused, but not sure the punishment fits the crime
but you do have to take a stand at some point and say harassment is harassment and it has to stop. 

Quote
I think the Northam Virginia thing .... The Dems will keep the Governorship in the short term, but I think it is going to have long term corrosive impact for the whole party, and hurt their chances of taking back the VA House and Senate.
I don't know if I agree with this...although not sure
I really didn't think he'd survive that and he's out there getting shit done
stuff I'm glad he's there doing
"signs law to remove autism health coverage age cap" 
"Northam vetoed a bill that would have allowed the General Assembly to redraw legislative districts, apart from the redistricting process in the year following the census."

I'm hoping to see one where he gets his pledge to make community college free for VA residents too


The good thing for him is that VA is a one term Governorship...so he won't have to run for reelection
Will it hurt the Dems chances to take the house...I'm not sure
I think he has had a very documented history of doing things for the African American community and I think they will remember that
He definitely fumbled the response, but I'm glad he didn't resign
Just means he's going to have to do a lot more for the AA community and that's not a bad thing

tl;dr
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 30, 2019, 01:05:37 pm
LOL Joe, come on man...

Greenpeace Gives Joe Biden a D- on Climate Change Report Card (http://time.com/5598313/jo-biden-climate-change-report-card/)

Full report is here (https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/climate2020/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 30, 2019, 01:14:59 pm
I really don’t get the point of targeting Fox watchers
First of all it’s rather weak and pathetic...target them in the presidential debates or anywhere else...Fox is the enemy period...the sooner we get that the better
Upcoming Dem candidates on Fox town halls....little last gasp-y
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand: June 2
Julián Castro: June 13

Harris and Warren steadfastly will not

poor Eric Swalwell told CNN he "would absolutely do a Fox town hall," but the network turned him down.

Biden has no comment on this issue
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 30, 2019, 01:41:28 pm
You make my point...only weak candidates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 30, 2019, 01:47:42 pm
You make my point...only weak candidates
that was part of my point

Hey strong candidates like Bern, Butt and Klob all appeared and got a nice bump

("you've got the "Klob-Butt-Bern" sounds like something you don't want to hear from your proctologist)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 30, 2019, 02:04:04 pm
Huh? Bern is getting clobbered
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 30, 2019, 02:59:11 pm
Huh? Bern is getting clobbered
he's still #2 by a long shot...with 22 people eating lots of his dust
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 31, 2019, 01:00:22 pm
In somewhat good news
...looks like Nevada is just a signature away from adding it's 6 votes to the National Popular Vote interstate compact
Looks like I was being optimistic that a Dem gov would sign this :(

Quote
and Felons...
although he did give 70k felons the right to vote in the same day!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 31, 2019, 01:16:16 pm
...Fox is the enemy period...the sooner we get that the better
Nice one slate!
Daughters Don’t Let Their Mothers Watch Fox News
How to use “parental lock” to prevent your parents from tuning in to cable news. (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/07/how-to-use-parental-lock-to-stop-your-parents-from-watching-fox-news.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on May 31, 2019, 01:27:46 pm
So I don't know what the middle ground is here.  I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I assume that your stance is there is no reconciliation for past bad behavior
I too struggle with this, but I felt his 'crimes' were pretty low level...but still offensive none the less...

Will it hurt the Dems chances to take the house...I'm not sure
I think he has had a very documented history of doing things for the African American community and I think they will remember that


I believe there should be no tolerance for sexual harassment in the workplace and that it should be doubly so for public servants.  Being a politician SHOULD require higher standards.  No individual politician is worth sacrificing the moral high ground for.

I think this is morally true, but also strategically so. The R's gain strength by breaking government (which proves their theory that government is broken) and double down on racism and misogyny.  The D's can only be successful by governing well and being strong against racism and misogyny. 

As for Northam, I do not see how having a racist Gov and a rapist Lt Gov can do anything but hurt turnout in an off year state wide election.  It just creates a sense that there are no good politicians, and that both sides are the same.  For a party thats base is women and minorities, that feeling is incredibly damaging in the long term.

I also think that the Dems push to attract corporate money (the Bill Clinton strategy) has undermined the party.  Same deal with Labour in the UK. Without the worker vs. capital dichotomy it was necessary to find a new "other" to explain inequality.  The D's haven't found one.  The R's are able to other immigrants, minorities, Muslims, etc... It was smart politics in the short term, but damaging long term.  That's how I feel about Biden (and his ilk).  He might be the best chance to win now, but long term I think his politics are unstable.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 31, 2019, 03:19:21 pm
gavroche knows what's up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2019, 11:30:52 am
 I like this idea
 as we already know what the senate will do if we impeach any earlier

Impeach Trump on the day before the election (https://theweek.com/articles/844954/impeach-trump-day-before-election)

Rather than beginning impeachment proceedings tomorrow, Democrats should take the next year to continue investigating and litigating to obtain the documents and testimony they need. They then should summon the House from its regularly scheduled summer recess in 2020 to launch official impeachment hearings that would culminate during the Republican National Convention from August 24-27, 2020. Instead of proceeding to a vote after both sides have presented their cases, as would be customary in normal times, Speaker Pelosi could make up some smirking Mitch McConnell nonsense about how Democrats need to think about this for a really, really long time. Then, in the most devastating move possible, she should recall her caucus either the Friday or Monday before the November election to officially vote to impeach the president. Members can fly in and out of D.C. for the roll call vote and be back in their districts by mid-day. Good night and good luck.

President Trump would lose his mind. A sitting president has never run for re-election after getting impeached, let alone been forced to contest the election prior to a Senate trial. It would create absolute bedlam for his campaign. Contrary to the n-of-1 Clinton era conventional wisdom, getting impeached does not actually boost your reputation.


it would also remove the most common political objection to the process, which is that the Senate will never convict him, and that his acquittal will give him a huge boost heading into the election.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2019, 11:39:14 am
also...must say I'm liking Warren's  "Green Manufacturing Plan"
gonna cost a lot of bacon tho...but it really would be the kind of investments the Gov't should be making

The three elements of Warren's plan include...

    Green Apollo Program:
Focused on clean energy manufacturing, the program would invest $400 billion in funding toward "clean energy research and development."
    Green Industrial Mobilization:
A $1.5 trillion investment to purchase "American-made clean, renewable, and emission-free energy products for federal, state, and local use, and for export."
    Green Marshall Plan:
A new federal office focused on selling green, American-made products abroad that calls for $100 billion in investment towards "assisting countries to purchase and deploy this technology."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 05, 2019, 02:23:18 pm
now this shit is getting real
 Chipotle may raise burrito prices (https://wtvr.com/2019/06/03/chipotle-burrito-prices/?fbclid=IwAR1ZDGgySzp5Pw-yY-CgfAAW2oXX2NwVKPkg4cd-hI5CBWJRGNGY14KZfXw)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 10:24:20 am
I'm starting to agree with this line of thought
Beto, Hickenlooper and Montana Gov. Steve Bullock should run for Senate instead of continuing to pursue presidential ambitions.

The filing deadline in Texas  Dec. 9, meaning a decision will have to come just under two months prior to the Iowa caucuses.
Colorado and Montana, the deadlines in both states occur after Super Tuesday,


there would still be 20 candidates running!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2019, 10:50:52 am
Who would Beto lose to this time?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 10:56:49 am
Who would Beto lose to this time?
John Cornyn

And he did lose, but was a nail biter for a state that is DEEP Red

Ted Cruz      4,260,553    50.89%    
Beto O'Rourke    4,045,632    48.33%    

200k in 8mill is pretty close

now he's got the name recognition too
So I think he has a better chance at being a senator than being the next Dem
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 10, 2019, 11:11:50 am
Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.

Who would Beto lose to this time?
John Cornyn

And he did lose, but was a nail biter for a state that is DEEP Red

Ted Cruz      4,260,553    50.89%    
Beto O'Rourke    4,045,632    48.33%    

200k in 8mill is pretty close

now he's got the name recognition too
So I think he has a better chance at being a senator than being the next Dem
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 11:33:22 am
Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.

He did raise a Significant amount of money from outside of texas (like $25Mil)
My mom (FL/NY) and I know an number of people here in the DC are who supported his senate run

Now mostly because they hate Cruz, but he's got the kind of charisma we need in a presidential candidate

But I think he should WIN a senate seat first or Govnership...then run in 2028 or 2032
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 10, 2019, 11:45:36 am
Beto isn't really my cup of tea (he's all style and zero substance IMO), but obviously I'd support him against Cruz. You couldn't ask for a better race to gain national attention...young, good-looking, punk rock-loving dude clearly ripping off Obama vs. loathsome melted gargoyle.  It's not wonder everyone was invested in him.

But transitioning immediately from a loss to a presidential run seems like it would only hurt you long-term, where as staying local and winning would just build the brand.

Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.

He did raise a Significant amount of money from outside of texas (like $25Mil)
My mom (FL/NY) and I know an number of people here in the DC are who supported his senate run

Now mostly because they hate Cruz, but he's got the kind of charisma we need in a presidential candidate

But I think he should WIN a senate seat first or Govnership...then run in 2028 or 2032
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 11:49:55 am
sounds like we agree....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 10, 2019, 12:04:05 pm
(he's all style and zero substance IMO),
It worked for Barack Obama.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 10, 2019, 12:14:15 pm
Yep

sounds like we agree....

Also agree

(he's all style and zero substance IMO),
It worked for Barack Obama.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 12:39:38 pm
Beto isn't really my cup of tea (he's all style and zero substance IMO), but obviously I'd support him against Cruz. You couldn't ask for a better race to gain national attention...young, good-looking, punk rock-loving dude clearly ripping off Obama vs. loathsome melted gargoyle.  It's not wonder everyone was invested in him.

But transitioning immediately from a loss to a presidential run seems like it would only hurt you long-term, where as staying local and winning would just build the brand.

Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.

He did raise a Significant amount of money from outside of texas (like $25Mil)
My mom (FL/NY) and I know an number of people here in the DC are who supported his senate run

Now mostly because they hate Cruz, but he's got the kind of charisma we need in a presidential candidate

But I think he should WIN a senate seat first or Govnership...then run in 2028 or 2032

Problem for Beto is that he is from Texas and so he has nowhere local to go.  The Ted Cruz race was his best chance to win statewide.  Everyone hates Ted Cruz (even his Republican colleagues).  He raised a ton of money in 2018,  but coming off a loss and in a Presidential race he's not going to get the same support.  Plus the longer he's in government the more he gets defined and the more he angers people.  I feel like his moment is now or never (and it just might be never).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 10, 2019, 12:57:13 pm
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 12:59:57 pm
Problem for Beto is that he is from Texas and so he has nowhere local to go.  The Ted Cruz race was his best chance to win statewide.  Everyone hates Ted Cruz (even his Republican colleagues).  He raised a ton of money in 2018,  but coming off a loss and in a Presidential race he's not going to get the same support.  Plus the longer he's in government the more he gets defined and the more he angers people.  I feel like his moment is now or never (and it just might be never).
which is an easier win?
Cruz v Beto 2016
v
Cornyn v Beto 2020

I think he has a chance with Cornyn...nation wide Cruz is despised, but obviously has some support in TX
I don't know enough about TX or Cornyn to know if this is a good idea or not
sucks he has to decide by Dec 9th...that's the issue here

Also MJ Hegar, female Air Force helicopter pilot and combat Vet is already running and getting some attention...especially from the DNC

would love to get a dem in texas...but there's this
Democrats have not won statewide in Texas in 25 years.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2019, 01:04:23 pm
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?

Front a Ramones cover band while wearing a onesie and a sheep mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hV7h1DuotU
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 01:06:23 pm
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?

Front a Ramones cover band while wearing a onesie and a sheep mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hV7h1DuotU
at least he's got a plan B if this politics thing doesn't work out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2019, 02:02:49 pm
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?

Front a Ramones cover band while wearing a onesie and a sheep mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hV7h1DuotU
at least he's got a plan B if this politics thing doesn't work out

Live off his wife's money like a true punk rocker.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 10, 2019, 02:34:49 pm
Are we catching up on our weekend Economist reading in this thread?

The Senate, the Senate
Democrats running for president are selling plans to transform America (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/06/06/democrats-running-for-president-are-selling-plans-to-transform-america)
The Senate is likely to render them mere pipe-dreams

Democrats have not won statewide in Texas in 25 years.[/i]

True.  But they did pick up 2 state Senate seats and 12 seats in the State House in a midterm election where turnout generally favors Republicans.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 02:57:59 pm
Are we catching up on our weekend Economist reading in this thread?
I've become a full-on Axios junkie
I do think I need to fit Economist in there more (although $220 a year for the digital sub is making me think I won't be reading much)

heard this woman talk the other day and this sounds interesting
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71tu0u0zkuL._AC_UL436_.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 03:42:24 pm
Are we catching up on our weekend Economist reading in this thread?

The Senate, the Senate
Democrats running for president are selling plans to transform America (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/06/06/democrats-running-for-president-are-selling-plans-to-transform-america)
The Senate is likely to render them mere pipe-dreams

Democrats have not won statewide in Texas in 25 years.[/i]

True.  But they did pick up 2 state Senate seats and 12 seats in the State House in a midterm election where turnout generally favors Republicans.

This analysis really depends on what you think happened in 2018 and what it means for 2020.  Was 2018 a normal midterm and so we should expect Dems to do better in 2020?  Did Trump energize both bases and so you should expect similar patterns in 2020?  Or will Trump being on the ballot actually increase R turnout in 2020, thus making it harder for Dems to win state wise? 

My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.


It also depends a bit on what you think is more telling.  Cornyn has lower positives and lower negatives than Cruz.  Is it better or worse to have everyone already locked in on you?  My sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz... but you can credibly make both arguments.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 04:31:46 pm
My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.

my sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz.
you are a very sense-itive person I see :)

although I want to believe different...you nailed it on #1
#2...hard to say.  I really don't know how the avg Texan thinks of Cruz...sounds like they are split, but he had enough of a base to deliver the mid-term election. 
I don't really know how anyone can like Cruz, but alas he has a deep base.   Was #3 or 4 in the 2016 republican primary too

Cornyn....he seems like a texan's texan and will be hard to unseat that incumbent
but Beto proved he can turn out the vote, I think if he's on the ticket and can really energize Dems to come to the polls...could also be a game changer on who TX picks for pres....but I'm not holding my breath

Just found this from feb
Cornyn less popular than Cruz in Texas: poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/431645-cornyn-less-popular-than-cruz-in-texas-poll)

I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 04:38:21 pm
My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.

my sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz.
you are a very sense-itive person I see :)

although I want to believe different...you nailed it on #1
#2...hard to say.  I really don't know how the avg Texan thinks of Cruz...sounds like they are split, but he had enough of a base to deliver the mid-term election. 
I don't really know how anyone can like Cruz, but alas he has a deep base.   Was #3 or 4 in the 2016 republican primary too

Cornyn....he seems like a texan's texan and will be hard to unseat that incumbent
but Beto proved he can turn out the vote, I think if he's on the ticket and can really energize Dems to come to the polls...could also be a game changer on who TX picks for pres....but I'm not holding my breath

Just found this from feb
Cornyn less popular than Cruz in Texas: poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/431645-cornyn-less-popular-than-cruz-in-texas-poll)

I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that

That's the poll I was referring to.  Notice Cornyn is less popular, but he also has less people that hate also polls much less negatively too.  I think in an R leaning state that would make Cornyn a stronger candidate because he has more potential upside.  But again, just my instincts; I'm definitely not a Texan.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 04:39:49 pm
Beto and Bill going with Strummer! (which means they will lose ;))
John D with a good pick for a candidate
Gillibrand going with the only edgy pick on here
Tim Ryan should be booted out on that pick alone

19 Democratic candidates visited the Iowa Democratic Party's Hall of Fame yesterday to deliver a five-minute campaign pitch to a throng of state party activists — and they hit the stage with a walk-out song of their own choosing, per TIME's Lissandra Villa:

    Michael Bennet: "The Rising," Bruce Springsteen
    Cory Booker: "Lovely Day," Bill Withers
    Steve Bullock: "Small Town," John Mellencamp
    Pete Buttigieg: "Never Giving Up," Batchelor
    Bill de Blasio: "Rudie Can't Fail," The Clash
    John Delaney: "I've Been Everywhere," Johnny Cash
    Tulsi Gabbard: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough," Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
    Kirsten Gillibrand: "Good as Hell," Lizzo
    Kamala Harris: "Work That," Mary J. Blige
    John Hickenlooper: "Good Life," OneRepublic
    Jay Inslee: "Mr. Blue Sky," Electric Light Orchestra
    Amy Klobuchar: "The Bullpen," Dessa
    Beto O'Rourke: "Clampdown," The Clash
    Tim Ryan: "Old Town Road," Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus
    Bernie Sanders: "Power to the People," John Lennon
    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins
    Elizabeth Warren: "9 to 5," Dolly Parton
    Marianne Williamson: "Higher Ground," Stevie Wonder
    Andrew Yang: "Return of the Mack," Mark Morrison
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 04:40:51 pm
I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that

Sadly, I think you need to make that White Military Women.  (Though I not so secretly think that Tammy Duckworth would be the Dems strongest candidate against Trump in a national election).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 04:49:20 pm

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins


I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 10, 2019, 04:53:13 pm
Yang and Gillibrand are the interesting choices.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 04:53:24 pm

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins


I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.
never heard that before, but sounds like what AI would do if it was asked to create a Nash-vegas song
(just watched the video... at the end is pure fiction that would be the crowd that shows up at an Atkins show)

I had to look up Pete's too...kinda edgy, but I'm a little shocked he didn't come out to a Mellencamp song
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 05:08:42 pm

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins


I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.

I had to look up a bunch of these, including Mayor Petes.  I actually found this exercise more telling than I thought.  I just don't think Swalwell pulls off country boy very authentically.

As for Mayor Pete, I just think it's weird signaling.

And of course Bernie picking the Lennon Power to the People says everything about him.  If he'd picked Curtis Mayfield I think the signal would have been better (and yes, I realize this is Iowa)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 10, 2019, 05:55:21 pm
    Steve Bullock: "Small Town," John Mellencamp
    Tulsi Gabbard: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough," Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
    Tim Ryan: "Old Town Road," Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus
    Elizabeth Warren: "9 to 5," Dolly Parton

^ cringe-worthy 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 10, 2019, 06:39:15 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 07:03:50 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"

Trump has convinced 40% of the country that his lies are true... so it's not inconceivable that you could change my mind about
"Old Town Road."  Make your case.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 10, 2019, 08:22:11 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"

my cringing has less to do with the song itself, and more about its selection and who selected it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 08:57:10 pm

And of course Bernie picking the Lennon Power to the People says everything about him.  If he'd picked Curtis Mayfield I think the signal would have been better (and yes, I realize this is Iowa)
Funny I was going the other way of thinking and he should’ve done Patti Smith's people have the power
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2019, 11:45:39 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"
  Make your case.
I think you have been called out and I'm interested in your response.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/GO.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on June 11, 2019, 10:18:25 am
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2019, 07:19:45 pm
I think you have been called out and I'm interested in your response.

Trump has convinced 40% of the country that his lies are true... so it's not inconceivable that you could change my mind about
"Old Town Road."  Make your case.

(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/landscape_928x523/2017/06/blazing_saddles_074303_007c.jpg)

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2019, 07:28:10 pm
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/

I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article (https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/4/8/18299972/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-billy-ray-cyrus-remix-number-one-charts-country-rap) sums up most of my thoughts.

It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on.  It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 11, 2019, 07:35:45 pm
Trump has convinced 40% of the country that they don't need to care about his lies...

FTFY.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2019, 10:16:02 pm
I'm halfway through this podcast excontradiction, and loving it. Thanks for the share.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 12, 2019, 08:45:13 am
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/

I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article (https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/4/8/18299972/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-billy-ray-cyrus-remix-number-one-charts-country-rap) sums up most of my thoughts.

It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on.  It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.
I get that and I'm impressed by the non-musical aspect
Especially the cross-genre aspect that really hasn't been breached since DMC/Areosmith's 'Walk this way'
honestly I'm still shocked that 98% of music is still coming from the 'system' and more small self-made acts aren't getting attention with the ability to distribute for free for over a decade

it's slightly catchy tune, but after 3 listens, I've heard it more that I ever wanted to hear it

That link in Excon pod cast is killer too
https://twitter.com/BOONAPALISTA/status/1114744304910647297
amy
@BOONAPALISTA
In celebration of lil nas x and billy ray cyrus collaborating for the old town road remix, here’s a thread of Black artists and their collaborations with country music stars:
🤠
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 12, 2019, 09:01:48 am
19 Democratic candidates visited the Iowa Democratic Party's Hall of Fame yesterday to deliver a five-minute campaign pitch to a throng of state party activists — and they hit the stage with a walk-out song of their own choosing,
now this is a funny response...what songs should the candidates NOT come out to
https://twitter.com/titonka/status/1138599971073249280

I think Dave Weigel wins
If Warren used Kendrick Lamar’s “DNA”

for sweets...Yakety Sax got a mention
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 12, 2019, 10:57:01 am
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/

I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article (https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/4/8/18299972/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-billy-ray-cyrus-remix-number-one-charts-country-rap) sums up most of my thoughts.

It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on.  It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.

Gotta admit, I didn't know any of the back story and I'm sort of impressed.  It's a horrible song, but this is all about virtue signaling anyway.  In some sort of weird way it does sort of say, "I'm country, but I'm not racist."  Now I'd like Tim Ryan to disappear again. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on June 12, 2019, 11:43:36 am
I'm halfway through this podcast excontradiction, and loving it. Thanks for the share.

:) it's one if my favorites. Check the Lizzo episode too!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 12, 2019, 05:12:06 pm
You're all welcome. 

And thank you excontradiction - I have absolutely no time to add another podcast to my repertoire, but I will!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 12, 2019, 11:01:41 pm
I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 13, 2019, 08:38:36 am
You're all welcome. 
so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks


caught the Billie E podcast from switchedonpop yesterday...good stuff
in the queue (of a long list of other podcasts that rarely get listened to)

I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6
the last note in the article is required reading for those claiming to 'cure cancer'
the ambition of this one overlooks a lot of complexities of the disease — like, for example, the fact that “cancer” is actually more than 100 diseases and therefore not likely treatable with a single cure-all.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 13, 2019, 08:55:41 am
I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6

Wife: "Joe Biden needs to suck dick and go away, and let Bernie win."

Kid: "What? Joe Biden is gay?"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 13, 2019, 11:33:05 am

I'm really hoping https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ has some wins before 2020...
The National Popular Vote interstate compact would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
of course TX, FL, IA and OH aren't even considering this...but we can always hope
Good news people....only 89 more electoral college votes to go to make this a reality
 
Ok...we got Oregon...Maine is looking good...still a little pissed at NV Governor Steve Sleestak

It has been enacted into law in 16 jurisdictions with 196 electoral votes (CA, CO, CT, DC, DE, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA).
 The bill will take effect when enacted by states with 74 more electoral votes.   

People...this is THE issue that can unite people (maybe weed too )
The message has to be clear and the arguments in response do too
one person=one vote
Every person voting for president should have equal weight

also...Executive branch is for all Americans
Congress/legislative is for the States as a balance of power to the Exec


https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/section_9.4
 MYTH: The small states would be disadvantaged by a national popular vote.

    The small states (the 13 states with only three or four electoral votes) are the most disadvantaged and ignored group of states under the current state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes. The reason is that political power in presidential elections comes from being a closely divided battleground state, and almost all of the small states are noncompetitive states in presidential elections.
    The small states are not ignored because of their low population, but because they are not closely divided battleground states. The 12 small non-battleground states have about the same population (12 million) as the closely divided battleground state of Ohio. The 12 small states have 40 electoral votes—more than twice Ohio’s 18 electoral votes. However, Ohio received 73 of 253 post-convention campaign events in 2012, while the 12 small non-battleground states received none.
    The current state-by-state winner-take-all system actually shifts power from voters in the small and medium-sized states to voters in a handful of big states that happen to be closely divided battleground states in presidential elections.
    The fact that the small states are disadvantaged by the current state-by-state winner-take-all system has long been recognized by prominent officials from those states. In 1966, Delaware led a group of 12 predominantly small states in suing New York (then a closely divided battleground state) in the U.S. Supreme Court in an effort to get state winner-take-all statutes declared unconstitutional.
    Under the current state-by-state winner-take-all system, a vote for President in Wyoming is equal to a vote in California—both are politically irrelevant.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 13, 2019, 01:07:14 pm
Tell Celeste I said...hello

I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6

Wife: "Joe Biden needs to suck dick and go away, and let Bernie win."

Kid: "What? Joe Biden is gay?"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 13, 2019, 03:37:48 pm
Wife: "Joe Biden needs to suck dick and go away, and let Bernie win."

"let bernie win"? 

how about bernie earns his win?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 13, 2019, 03:57:58 pm
LOL

Howard Schultz Announces Campaign Staff Cuts, Summer Hiatus (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/howard-schultz-campaign_n_5d014bc4e4b0304a120909d6?klw)

Two absolutely killer cuts:

1) My man threw out his back on a tour to think about running for president.

2) Always a sign of a healthy system!: "Schultz said that if Biden does not appear to be the nominee, he would think about jumping into the presidential race after Super Tuesday."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 13, 2019, 06:15:20 pm
(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_24/2895036/190613-debate-candidate-collage-2-cs-111p_368693ea79ea8df02111df2748027ce3.fit-2000w.jpg)

The Democratic National Committee on Thursday named the 20 presidential candidates who qualified to appear on stage later this month in the first primary debate of the 2020 campaign.

They are:

Sen. Michael Bennet of Colorado
Former Vice President Joe Biden*
Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey*
South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg*
Former Housing Secretary Julián Castro*
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio
Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii*
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York*
Sen. Kamala Harris of California*
Former Gov. John Hickenlooper of Colorado
Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington*
Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota*
Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas*
Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio
Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont*
Rep. Eric Swalwell of California
Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts*
Author Marianne Williamson*
Entrepreneur Andrew Yang*

The DNC, which is sanctioning the debate, set two ways for candidates to qualify — fundraising and polling. To make the stage, candidates needed to have either at least 1 percent support in three qualifying polls, or provide evidence of at least 65,000 unique donors, with a minimum of 200 different donors in at least 20 states.

The candidates marked with an asterisk qualified through both polling and grassroots fundraising thresholds, the DNC said. The others qualified through polling only.

Those who did not meet the threshold for the first debate include: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel; Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam; and Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 14, 2019, 10:09:07 am
great image...what a goofy bunch.  looks like a promo for some bizarre Paradise island reality tv

This announcement of these guys not making the cut...was probably the best press coverage they got
3 less white guys is probably not a bad idea
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 14, 2019, 11:26:49 am
so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks

There is no room in either party for a pragmatic centrist with socially liberal stances, matched with fiscal conservatism.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 14, 2019, 12:59:46 pm
June 26 lineup: Cory Booker, Julián Castro, John Delaney, Bill de Blasio, Tulsi Gabbard, Jay Inslee, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O’Rourke, Tim Ryan, Elizabeth Warren

June 27 lineup: Michael Bennet, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, John Hickenlooper, Bernie Sanders, Eric Swalwell, Marianne Williamson
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 14, 2019, 01:20:34 pm
Those who did not meet the threshold for the first debate include: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel; Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam; and Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.

Gotta admit that I'm deeply disappointed that Mike Gravel didn't make the stage: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/magazine/mike-gravel-teens-twitter-presidential-campaign.html

I'd trade in Swalwell any day (I still miss you "Pete" Stark)!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 14, 2019, 02:15:19 pm
June 26 lineup: Cory Booker, Julián Castro, John Delaney, Bill de Blasio, Tulsi Gabbard, Jay Inslee, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O’Rourke, Tim Ryan, Elizabeth Warren

June 27 lineup: Michael Bennet, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, John Hickenlooper, Bernie Sanders, Eric Swalwell, Marianne Williamson

What network(s) is this going to be on and what time Aloha time? We don't normally have cable, but we might on vacation. That's assuming I can tear myself away from watching Steph Curry's new mini golf show.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 14, 2019, 02:28:15 pm
From what the teens say, they're on the path to get into the second debate (fingers crossed).  Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO...and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing.  It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.

Those who did not meet the threshold for the first debate include: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel; Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam; and Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.

Gotta admit that I'm deeply disappointed that Mike Gravel didn't make the stage: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/magazine/mike-gravel-teens-twitter-presidential-campaign.html

I'd trade in Swalwell any day (I still miss you "Pete" Stark)!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 14, 2019, 02:46:14 pm
What network(s) is this going to be on and what time Aloha time? We don't normally have cable, but we might on vacation. That's assuming I can tear myself away from watching Steph Curry's new mini golf show.

You just gave me a great idea!  I'm going to invent something where you can type in queries and get answers "instantly."  And if it works, I'm going to make it work by voice on any device!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 14, 2019, 02:50:32 pm
Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO...and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing.  It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.

Before the conspiracy theories start, it was by lottery and made certain that those with above 2% were equally distributed across the two nights with those with less.  Representatives from all candidates were present.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 14, 2019, 02:54:34 pm
No conspiracy theories on my end.  I probably should've phrased it as "also interesting that Bernie and warren...".  I think this benefits both of them early on.

Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO...and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing.  It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.

Before the conspiracy theories start, it was by lottery and made certain that those with above 2% were equally distributed across the two nights with those with less.  Representatives from all candidates were present.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2019, 01:19:03 pm
Man, you make one little comment about how cool it is to pal around with segregationists and suddenly everyone is against you?!?! WTF!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2019, 01:37:50 pm
I assume this is at Mitch...but don't know the details
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2019, 02:05:48 pm
You're pal and mine...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-cites-segregationist-senators-he-recalls-past-civility-senate-n1019211

I assume this is at Mitch...but don't know the details
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2019, 02:28:04 pm
here we go pointing our guns at each other

Hard to have been in the senate in the early 70s and not work with an outright racist in order to make compromises

My prediction is Joe is not long for this race
he has waaay too much baggage from a generation ago that the new left despises and are going to continue to point out every chance they or some dem-bro points out on twitter

I don't agree with Hutch that Joe is our only way to take PA/MI
I think plenty of these candidates can have support in the rust belt...just be wary of going too far left is my opnion

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2019, 02:31:06 pm
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.

here we go pointing our guns at each other

Hard to have been in the senate in the early 70s and not work with an outright racist in order to make compromises

My prediction is Joe is not long for this race
he has waaay too much baggage from a generation ago that the new left despises and are going to continue to point out every chance they or some dem-bro points out on twitter

I don't agree with Hutch that Joe is our only way to take PA/MI
I think plenty of these candidates can have support in the rust belt...just be wary of going too far left is my opnion
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2019, 02:41:04 pm
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.
Why...wouldn't it just be better to appeal to the voters that you (insert candidate) are the right choice
we don't have to play by the GOP playbook

I really think the Dem primary should be ranked choice
as a lot of people are convinced the 'safe bet' is biden and won't vote for who they really want
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 19, 2019, 03:36:34 pm
Yawn.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2019, 03:48:21 pm
Look, it's not like anyone is digging up dirt on old Joe...he's doing the job himself.   But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.
Why...wouldn't it just be better to appeal to the voters that you (insert candidate) are the right choice
we don't have to play by the GOP playbook

I really think the Dem primary should be ranked choice
as a lot of people are convinced the 'safe bet' is biden and won't vote for who they really want
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 19, 2019, 03:52:31 pm
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.
I'm glad Julian's America died after writing an article where I said if DFA1979 ever tried to cross the boarder into Julian's America, our guards would shoot him onside so that years later nkotb would have the wherewithal to clarify he doesn't actually want someone to assassinate Joe Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 19, 2019, 04:48:43 pm
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 20, 2019, 08:29:51 am
Just because one thing is bad doesn't mean the other is good.

I have plans to absolutely drop what i'm doing the second Trump dies and head to the first bar I can find to buy a round for everyone.  And beyond a few of the folks running, I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

But if the DNC doesn't get it's act together, they're going to make small gains (if any!) and make something much worse than Trump.  I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.

But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 20, 2019, 08:34:20 am
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!
seriously this is my point
Joe has baggage, but why do the dem's have to point it out and make it look like a cat fight
the media and Team trump will do enough it to fill everyone's mind

I will say that I though the DNA test thing warren did would have been her undoing
but she seems to be holding strong and getting lots of support

I know NKOTB is going to whine, but I don't think the primary voters are going to fall in love with Bernie
I think he has a strong base, but it has a ceiling and it's not very high IMO
I really like a lot of his ideas, but don't think he's going to cross the finish line

Pete too, he's getting a lot of attention now, but this won't last.  He really is perfect for the democratic party and I look forward to him as a future leader.  He also seems like the kind of guy who will be scandal free


Yikes...just read this The president said he was thinking about live-tweeting the upcoming Democratic presidential debates
going to be like shooting fish in a barrel :(
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 20, 2019, 09:46:22 am
I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

 I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.
yikes dude, there is not a single D (well gravel and maybe manchin) that is worse that Trump
you have to have the power to make change (internally as well)
but that you would not vote or vote for trump because you didn't get the perfect dem is pure insanity

stop smoking crack during the work day
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 20, 2019, 10:03:31 am
so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks

There is no room in either party for a pragmatic centrist with socially liberal stances, matched with fiscal conservatism.
I don't know man...I think there is a demand for this
Not sure you'd want all 18k posts dug up by brietbart and shared with the world
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 20, 2019, 02:06:37 pm
85% is pretty high, I think, especially given I couldn't tell you word one about a handful of them and two (Hickenlooper and Delaney) i only know about for them getting booed.!  But just because I'm not sold on any of these folks doesn't mean I would ever vote for Trump, or any Republican, for that matter.  Fuck those guys into the sun.

Even though i think centrism is going to be the death of us all, there's a lot I'd be willing to bend for in the general, but the environment isn't one.  At this point, anyone that's not full tilt into throwing all resources behind it isn't getting my vote.  Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.

I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

 I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.
yikes dude, there is not a single D (well gravel and maybe manchin) that is worse that Trump
you have to have the power to make change (internally as well)
but that you would not vote or vote for trump because you didn't get the perfect dem is pure insanity

stop smoking crack during the work day
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 20, 2019, 02:07:34 pm
Unrelated, I did finally hear Old Town Road this morning (albeit from a 3rd grade ukulele concert) and I think it's safe to say I hate it yet somehow it still slaps.  Perfect song.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 20, 2019, 02:19:54 pm
Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.
agree, but my feeling is ...get this shit done once we have regained the Exec and hopefully the senate
I don't think grandiose statements on achieving zero emissions by 2024 is needed.  I think showing that it is an important part of your platform and some outlines of how you'd do it

Like it or not...the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 20, 2019, 03:42:55 pm
even with the Trump dis...alleged pedophile Roy Moore announces he's running for Alabama Senate seat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 21, 2019, 08:58:25 am
most things about joe I like...but his hatred of raves....is unconscionable
Biden hates Raves (https://www.facebook.com/consequence/videos/2668271416732517/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 21, 2019, 10:30:31 am
Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.

Like it or not...the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D

This is a debatable statement.  The R's definitely don't think so, or they wouldn't be working so hard to suppress voters. Trump certainly hasn't been playing to the undecided either.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 21, 2019, 10:42:00 am
Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.

Like it or not...the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D


This is a debatable statement.  The R's definitely don't think so, or they wouldn't be working so hard to suppress voters. Trump certainly hasn't been playing to the undecided either.
I'm sure you have more intimate knowledge on this topic than I...but 2016 was decided by the undecided

Trump won voters who decided in the last week of the campaign by a 59-30 margin in Wisconsin, 55-38 in Florida, 54-37 in Pennsylvania and 50-39 in Michigan, according to exit polls, which was enough to flip the outcome of those four states and their 75 combined electoral votes.

but you are right, Trump doesn't think he needs them (which frankly is crazy, but that's on brand)
Donald Trump is confident his core coalition of die-hard supporters can propel him to a second term in the White House, asserting in a new interview that he may not even bother reaching out to swing voters in his reelection campaign.

“I think my base is so strong, I’m not sure that I have to do that,”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 21, 2019, 05:16:30 pm
Do you know who doesn't use the ballot box as a protest vote?

Republicans.  That's how they got George W. Bush and Donald Trump.

You can hate the system all you want, but if you don't fix it by election day, then you deserve what you get by protest voting on election day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 22, 2019, 08:47:36 am
Do you know who doesn't use the ballot box as a protest vote?

Republicans.  That's how they got George W. Bush and Donald Trump.


Republicans have no problem protesting at the voter box, in the primaries (see Eric Cantor).  Even Trump was a protest vote in the primaries.  They do, however, seem more united in never voting for a Democrat. 

Worth noting, however, that the libertarians are consistently the strongest performing 3rd party, not the greens. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2019, 03:48:32 pm
then there was 25
Former Rep. Joe Sestak, a Navy veteran who twice ran unsuccessfully for a Senate seat in Pennsylvania, is now the 25th entrant into the Democratic presidential primary.

not a enticing bio...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 25, 2019, 10:51:47 am
anyone getting excited for the debates?

what are the drinking games related to this one
edit...someone is on this http://www.debatedrinking.com/

Did someone make a score card that we can use during the debates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 25, 2019, 12:31:22 pm
I won't be watching.  95% of those candidates won't even be on my ballot in March anyway and watching the debates won't change that.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 25, 2019, 12:55:08 pm
you are correct...still may be good TV...but probably not
Problem with the format is there are just too many people on stage

Maybe the DNC should post more one on one interview style videos of all the candidates (asking them all the same questions)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 25, 2019, 02:02:20 pm
Since this is the first major debate, chances are that a few will fuck themselves up pretty badly. I expect at least 5 to drop out by the end of next week.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 25, 2019, 02:19:07 pm
so should we get a deadpool going?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2019, 10:55:27 am
FOR THE FUTURE has never seemed so present.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2019, 11:08:46 am
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the night
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2019, 11:17:19 am
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the night
Heres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2019, 12:57:06 pm
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the night
Heres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
thanks for the summary now I don't have to waste my time finding it on youtube or whatever
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2019, 01:11:55 pm
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the night
Heres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
thanks for the summary now I don't have to waste my time finding it on youtube or whatever
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Barack-instead-of-Hillary fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on June 27, 2019, 01:26:11 pm
I love politics.  two days ago . . . julian castro who?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 27, 2019, 01:29:27 pm
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.

FTFY
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2019, 01:53:03 pm
finally some good news
The Trump administration can’t add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census unless and until it does a better job of explaining why that question is necessary, the Supreme Court said in a deeply fractured decision Thursday morning.


actually the SCOTUS has been fairly good in 2019, not perfect, but not as horrible as imagined
well the unions aren't that happy

ack...didn't see this one
In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court said that cases about partisan gerrymandering are "beyond the reach of the federal courts" — a blow to voting-rights activists and Democrats.
I'm torn on this one, as states should govern how they do voting, but the problem is it such a sham
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2019, 02:22:27 pm
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.

FTFY
Not sure what you fixed?  Edit: oh you changed Barack to Bernie.

Keep telling yourself the lie that Barack Obama was a good President. He was an articulate Jimmy Carter that let #woke kids tell you how #woke they were. Accomplished nothing aside from being better than a replacement-level GOP President. (Which, I mean, is something to be fair.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2019, 02:30:44 pm
the ACA (albeit a weak version) and averting the depression are pretty good achievements in my book

that they didn't get more done when they had congress and the executive is a little nuts tho...
Dems are just too damn nice
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2019, 02:35:14 pm
the ACA (albeit a weak version) and averting the depression are pretty good achievements in my book

that they didn't get more done when they had congress and the executive is a little nuts tho...
Dems are just too damn nice
If Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2019, 02:40:18 pm

If Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
We would have still had a republican controlled congress....so no we would not have had M4A
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2019, 02:42:56 pm

If Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
We would have still had a republican controlled congress....so no we would not have had M4A
I mean, minus the part where the Dems took both the Congress and Senate in 2008, which is an unarguable fact, you’re absolutely right.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2019, 02:51:53 pm
I was also thinking you meant if hil became president in 2016....but you meant 2008
so in that case it's more likely...but not a slam dunk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 27, 2019, 02:56:27 pm
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.

FTFY
Not sure what you fixed?  Edit: oh you changed Barack to Bernie.

that's part of the edit, the other part is voting for hillary instead of bernie (as in, had bernie been chosen in 2016, he had a better chance of beating trump... instead, we got the imperfection that was hillary because, well, we needed to feel inspired by voting for a woman).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 28, 2019, 07:57:25 am
So what did you think bitches?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 28, 2019, 08:08:28 am
finally some good news

I'm torn on this one, as states should govern how they do voting, but the problem is it such a sham

Why should states govern how they do voting?  Isn't that why we needed a civil rights act?  Isn't it a much stronger principle that everyone should be allowed a vote that counts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 28, 2019, 08:31:11 am
Except when a State Supreme Court orders a recount as in Florida 2000

The Supreme Court makes it up as they go along. Shameful
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 28, 2019, 09:27:53 am
finally some good news

I'm torn on this one, as states should govern how they do voting, but the problem is it such a sham

Why should states govern how they do voting?  Isn't that why we needed a civil rights act?  Isn't it a much stronger principle that everyone should be allowed a vote that counts?
that's why I said I'm torn
we are the united STATES of America and I do believe in some sovereignty on how states do things free from the federal gov't.  I do think that is some of the genius of the founding fathers with the whole checks and balances thing

problem is its been used to implement jim crow laws and other heinous things with the code word "states rights"

but you are mixing two issues,
I don't think gerrymandering invalidates "that everyone should be allowed a vote" what it does do is give unequal representation of the state in the federal government of one party over the other
but the state got the correct amt of reps still (although trump is trying to change census stuff to favor his team)

So I do think there are two different things
as I feel electing the president is a federal issue, not a state issue and I think that should be wholly separate ...this is my opinion, not my interpretation of the constitution, which I'm not sure on that point

The inequities on that level are huge and that's why I'm for national popular vote
as I don't think that someone should win the presidency with 3mil less votes
and the winner takes all in some states REALLY invalidates peoples votes
this system discourages voters in extremely partisan states from even voting
Say you were a dem in AL...what's the point of voting for president
same if you were a republican in NY/CA, why vote

I think that has to stop

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 28, 2019, 09:48:16 am
I wanna say "can you believe' ...but I'm still shocked that a siting congressperson would say this

Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC
·
Jun 26
After tonight’s #DemocraticDebate.......that whole Trump 3rd term thing is looking better and better.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 28, 2019, 10:09:18 am

but you are mixing two issues,
I don't think gerrymandering invalidates "that everyone should be allowed a vote" what it does do is give unequal representation of the state in the federal government of one party over the other
but the state got the correct amt of reps still (although trump is trying to change census stuff to favor his team)



I think you are arguing form over function.  Gerrymandering is packing individuals into districts with like minded people in order to nullify their votes.  It's functionally no different than banning them from the polls.

State boundaries are fundamentally different.  They are a result of historic and geographic accidents that by and large have nothing to do with voting.  There is no intentionality there and while intentionality is hard to measure, it seems important to me.

The Constitution applies beyond federal elections.  Otherwise Alabama would be able to only have white men vote for governor.  Instead it has to get creative.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 28, 2019, 10:31:26 am
The Supreme Court can do whatever they want and do

They could easily limit gun right, limit gerrymandering etc

But they have a long history of horrible decisions which is why we needed the Scalia replacement and must win next year. RBG made a huge mistake not retiring while Obama was in office and now we are up against it.

Without some big luck the Supreme Court will be very conservative for the rest of our lives.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 28, 2019, 12:53:36 pm
The Supreme Court was right that there is nothing in the constitution from preventing political parties from giving themselves an advantage with voting districts.  It was a failed strategy.

File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 28, 2019, 01:13:17 pm
Ha ha... that is cause there weren’t any political parties when they wrote the Constitution!!!


The framers loathed political parties and saw them as a big threat to our system of government
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 28, 2019, 01:46:46 pm
File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.   
Interesting...that's how recreational Pot became legal in dc
I have got to imagine this has been tried before
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on June 28, 2019, 01:57:41 pm
I like turtles.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 01, 2019, 03:42:54 am
The Supreme Court was right that there is nothing in the constitution from preventing political parties from giving themselves an advantage with voting districts.  It was a failed strategy.

File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.   

The argument is that it isn't enough to have the right to vote, but you also have to have the right to vote meaningfully.  Getting packed into a district takes away that right.  I think it's a strong argument, and would have won with a different Supreme Court.  Kennedy actually was receptive to it, but had issues with how to weight it. 

Functionally, if you can argue that you are allow to pack voters based on politics, it is a back door to eliminating minority voting power as well.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2019, 09:37:30 pm
, it is a back door to eliminating minority voting power as well.
but wait, aren't they the minority voting power...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2019, 09:25:47 am
caucuses...on paper they seem like a Greek ideal democracy...but in reality they kinda suck
this is an interesting turn on this front

Democrats in Iowa and Nevada will be able to vote over the phone (https://www.axios.com/iowa-nevada-caucus-primary-voting-phone-ec680092-602e-46f6-b41e-a5669a23e862.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 08, 2019, 09:30:52 am
caucuses...on paper they seem like a Greek ideal democracy...but in reality they kinda suck
this is an interesting turn on this front

Democrats in Iowa and Nevada will be able to vote over the phone (https://www.axios.com/iowa-nevada-caucus-primary-voting-phone-ec680092-602e-46f6-b41e-a5669a23e862.html)
Caucuses are terrible and raises the “price of admission” on voting. It’s no surprise that Bernie Sanders limited success in 2016 came on the backs of caucus states. Fuck caucuses.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2019, 09:38:41 am
Fuck caucuses.
I 100% agree...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 08, 2019, 12:31:10 pm
Caucasuses are only fun for political theory and game theory. 

Useless for everything else.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2019, 02:33:09 pm
show me the MONEY
2Q reporting

1. Buttigieg $24.8M
2. Biden $21.5M
3. Warren $19.1M
4. Sanders $18M
5. Harris $12M
6. Bennet $2.8M
7. Bullock $2M
8. Hickenlooper $1M

yes this was released a few days ago
but man, who would have guessed Mayor Pete to be on top of fundraising
not all campaigns reported yet (not due until July 15th)....what's not clear is the Debate bump in here
as I heard Harris cleaned up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2019, 02:40:27 pm
Fundraising...the most useless stat out there...except for the political consultants who gobble it all up...or the media that takes a big chunk

Not to mention you have to look at how much money the candidates spent to get that money

There is something bizarre about arguing rich people should not give money but if it’s “the people” it’s democratic...if a rich person gives $50 that is bad but if a poor person gives $100 that is good?

Literally we have debate lineups being decided on number of contributors

The whole system wants to convince us it’s good to donate when in reality it’s just a waste

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2019, 02:46:34 pm
It’s sad that in America we literally measure a political campaign’s success by how much money they raise! I don’t know any other place that does it like this

American exceptionalism indeed
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 08, 2019, 02:51:01 pm
show me the MONEY
2Q reporting

1. Buttigieg $24.8M
2. Biden $21.5M
3. Warren $19.1M
4. Sanders $18M
5. Harris $12M
6. Bennet $2.8M
7. Bullock $2M
8. Hickenlooper $1M

yes this was released a few days ago
but man, who would have guessed Mayor Pete to be on top of fundraising
not all campaigns reported yet (not due until July 15th)....what's not clear is the Debate bump in here
as I heard Harris cleaned up

The gays have lots of disposable income, the blacks not so much.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2019, 02:55:28 pm
It’s sad that in America we literally measure a political campaign’s success by how much money they raise!
like it or not, it does show support
People are not going to give money to a candidate if they don't support them

I by no means think it is the only indicator of 'success' but it definitely a data point that can be looked at to give you a pulse on the campaign's support

other than polling (and I'm sometimes skeptical of that too) how else are you going to judge how much support a campaign has?

you have to look at how much money the candidates spent to get that money
that's a data point I'd like to see...is that available

this is interesting too
Majority of Americans say they won’t donate to 2020 presidential campaigns (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/28/majority-of-americans-wont-donate-to-2020-presidential-campaigns.html)
Only 8% of Americans have given to a 2020 presidential campaign so far,

so this does support your theory that it's too small of a sample of the likely voter...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2019, 04:03:10 pm
The only support measure that should matter is the votes counted
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2019, 04:08:03 pm
The only support measure that should matter is the votes counted
well duh...but that vote isn't until the spring and a cluster fuck because the way they do it (should just be on one day or if they have to 4 days ...one for every time zone)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 08, 2019, 04:09:51 pm
Swalwell is announcing just announced this afternoon (west coast time) that he is out.

Interestingly, LAT is reporting that Tom Steyer is in. Hmmm
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2019, 07:08:45 pm
Cool
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 08, 2019, 08:29:57 pm
Swalwell is announcing just announced this afternoon (west coast time) that he is out.

Interestingly, LAT is reporting that Tom Steyer is in. Hmmm

My old man eyes read that as "Tom Seaver." ...who would be an appropriate opponent for Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 08, 2019, 08:36:56 pm
CNN called Swalwell a "major" candidate. LOL
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2019, 08:49:35 pm
He is just too green...I saw him on Bill Maher and he was so awkward...he was better on Lawrence O’Donnell

I like him though...I think he should have announced earlier and stuck around until Iowa...the experience would have done him well...as it is it’s hard to even say he ran...I don’t get the point of the exercise
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2019, 09:26:33 am
Amy McGrath announces bid to take on Sen. Mitch McConnell in 2020

although...Trump won Kentucky by nearly 30 points in 2016
so seems there's a lot of support for insanity and corruption

This is one out of state campaign I'm considering donating too
I can't stand Mitch and it would be awesome for him to get beat by Amy




and with Swalwell (had to look up how to spell his name) out

...Steyer is in...with a boatload of cash
he promised to sink at least $100 million of his own money into his campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2019, 09:34:27 am
You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2019, 09:36:27 am
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Boo...let me wear my rose colored glasses
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 09, 2019, 09:45:13 am
I mean, probably, but why not keep trying to end this shithead?

You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2019, 09:50:13 am
I mean, probably, but why not keep trying to end this shithead?

You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk

Because you could spend that money on a candidate with a chance?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 09, 2019, 09:53:50 am
He is just too green...I saw him on Bill Maher and he was so awkward...he was better on Lawrence O’Donnell

I like him though...I think he should have announced earlier and stuck around until Iowa...the experience would have done him well...as it is it’s hard to even say he ran...I don’t get the point of the exercise

If there's a rule that you have to be 35 to run for president, there should also be rules that you can't be over 70, and you must have served in some other elected public position first.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 09, 2019, 09:56:04 am
LOL ok! https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/18/18271222/beto-orourke-fundraising-haul-2020-sanders

I mean, probably, but why not keep trying to end this shithead?

You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk

Because you could spend that money on a candidate with a chance?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2019, 10:21:32 am
Exactly....money doesn’t do much.


But I still say if you feel like donating try to help candidates with a chance.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2019, 10:27:58 am
Exactly....money doesn’t do much.
But I still say if you feel like donating try to help candidates with a chance.
I'm still not sure I agree with money doesn't do much...although I'm sure Jeb Bush would agree with you
and this early on, hard to say 'who has a chance' ....well Mike Gravel really doesn't
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 09, 2019, 10:44:07 am
On the topic of money...

Marianne Williamson Gives a Loving Lift to Fellow Peacemonger Mike Gravel
 (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/marianne-williamson-helps-gravel-raise-money-for-debates.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2019, 10:56:36 am
Anybody running against Mitch has no chance...he will win by at least 20 points
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2019, 10:59:32 am
Money can help the right candidate but Hillary had way more money than Trump

If money mattered that much Howard Dean would have been President


They WANT you to think it matters so you donate....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2019, 11:51:24 am
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Boo...let me wear my rose colored glasses
this is interesting to note
McConnell’s approval rating is the lowest of any congressional leader, standing at only 25 percent, according to a Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey published earlier this year, and 36 percent in his home state of Kentucky, according to a Morning Consult survey conducted during the first quarter of 2019.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2019, 11:52:26 am
Polls schmolls


He wins by 20.....at least
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 09, 2019, 02:56:06 pm
I don’t get people that tell people not to run....seems very anti-democratic and un American


Now I can see trying to convince people not to vote third party once all candidates are announced for general but at this early point?

Anyone who wants to be president should run to be president...the more the better

I think Trump is more un-American and anti-democratic than telling a left-center guy not to run as an independent. Can't Ross Perot run as the independent choice instead of Schultz?

Ross Perot has announced he will not be running.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2019, 03:10:56 pm
Ross Perot has announced he will not be running.
potw
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/722db084f54097db5ff2be9fd73691cb/tenor.gif?itemid=12225857)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2019, 05:53:26 pm
I mean if you want to donate do so to the Senate candidates with a real chance like whoever picks up D nomination in AZ...a very flippable seat but will require hard work
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 10, 2019, 08:20:55 am
I dont know, McConnell's opponent has my vote!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_HQUEtWwAIAGdD?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2019, 08:40:11 am
So she wants people to vote for her because McConnell hasn’t done enough to help Trump?

Seriously?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2019, 09:05:19 am
I dont know, McConnell's opponent has my vote!
of course she has your tru-blue, inside the beltway, latte drinking, USWNT supporting, climate overexcited,  gender-dysphoric vote
but you don't live in KY...so matters little

question is can we inspire the people of KY to vote for her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 10, 2019, 09:53:01 am
On one hand, send McConnell on a rocket ship into the sun.

On the other, it'll be interesting to see how much push she gets from the DNC.  If her selling point is "let's help Trump do more things!", how is that any different from any other Republican in office?  It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.

EDIT: Should have started with the fact that I spit coffee at your description of me lol

I dont know, McConnell's opponent has my vote!
of course she has your tru-blue, inside the beltway, latte drinking, USWNT supporting, climate overexcited,  gender-dysphoric vote
but you don't live in KY...so matters little

question is can we inspire the people of KY to vote for her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2019, 12:38:21 pm
  It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.

EDIT: Should have started with the fact that I spit coffee at your description of me lol
So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
I'm not a big fan of joe, but you have to play to your constituents

same as KY...could you imagine Gillibran or Harris running in that state...they'd be laughed off the stage
You need someone who is a Blue-Dog ...so a lean right Dem...but still a dem

and I'm glad someone likes my humor
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2019, 12:41:34 pm
Totally


But saying Mitch hasn’t done enough is not blue dog it’s wack dog

I mean come on!

NKOTB lives in Bernie fantasyland
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2019, 12:43:55 pm
Totally


But saying Mitch hasn’t done enough is not blue dog it’s wack dog

I mean come on!

NKOTB lives in Bernie fantasyland
well I think she is trying to win over KY voters who voted for Mitch...saying he didn't do any of the things he'd promised he'd do
I don't think her message is "I'm going to support trump and get trumps agenda done...so vote for me"
but there is some of trumps agenda that she might have to support...question is which part
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2019, 12:45:40 pm
Fair enough but those comments seemed politically tone deaf


Mitch has been Trump’s #1 ally
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2019, 12:57:35 pm
Mitch has been Trump’s #1 ally
With out Mitch...this country would be soo different
starting before trump, but only gotten worse with trump
he is the #1 enabler of all trumps insanity and Congress is supposed to be a check on the president
Mitch turned it into a blank check
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 10, 2019, 01:00:49 pm
You'er 100% wrong. She should run as a full fledged communist if she wants to win a red state

Totally


But saying Mitch hasn’t done enough is not blue dog it’s wack dog

I mean come on!

NKOTB lives in Bernie fantasyland
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 10, 2019, 04:16:51 pm
With out Mitch...this country would be soo different

Merrick Garland.

He will forever be on the GOP Mount Rushmore for that move alone.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2019, 05:40:10 pm
  It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.
So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
I'm not a big fan of joe, but you have to play to your constituents
speaking of good old joe...did some pretty liberal thing today
"Days after the United States women's soccer team won their fourth World Cup, a US senator introduced a bill Tuesday that would prevent the use of federal funding for the 2026 men's World Cup until the US Soccer Federation agrees to equal pay for the women's and men's teams.

The bill, penned by Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, would prohibit the use of federal funds that would otherwise be provided to support host cities, local and state organizations, US Soccer, CONCACAF, and FIFA when the US cohosts the men's World Cup in 2026
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 10, 2019, 06:51:20 pm
  It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.
So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
I'm not a big fan of joe, but you have to play to your constituents
speaking of good old joe...did some pretty liberal thing today
"Days after the United States women's soccer team won their fourth World Cup, a US senator introduced a bill Tuesday that would prevent the use of federal funding for the 2026 men's World Cup until the US Soccer Federation agrees to equal pay for the women's and men's teams.

The bill, penned by Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, would prohibit the use of federal funds that would otherwise be provided to support host cities, local and state organizations, US Soccer, CONCACAF, and FIFA when the US cohosts the men's World Cup in 2026

I am one hundred percent in favor of this. I am also one hundred percent in favor of the GOP digging in their heels and refusing to kowtow, thereby de facto ending the US National Teams. #JuliansAmericaLongPlay
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 08:55:20 am
Can you guys explain to me the problem with asking people if they are Americans on a census of Americans? I mean what is so terrible about trying to count the number of Americans? I thought that was the whole point of a census particularly to be used to apportion representation and distribute resources


I must be missing something
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 09:09:36 am
Can you guys explain to me the problem with asking people if they are Americans on a census of Americans? I mean what is so terrible about trying to count the number of Americans? I thought that was the whole point of a census particularly to be used to apportion representation and distribute resources


I must be missing something

Voting is, and has always been, done as a proportion of people, not citizens.  (Think of the 3/5ths compromise).  This is part of a play by the Republicans to do undo that, and make districts based on citizens.  This impacts not only voting power, but also resource allocation. Anywhere with a University, or a large segment of foreigners would be disadvantaged.  This is largely cities.

The other thing that the citizenship question does is that it will make it less likely that Hispanic citizens will fill out the form because of the legitimate fear that the information could be shared with ICE.  Anyone living in a household that has both legals and illegals in it would be unlikely to fill out the census, thus skewing the data to underestimate Hispanics.

If you want to talk about full bore election reform to make it more fair/representative (like getting rid of the Senate) then going to citizenship might make sense.  Making that change in a vacuum, however, does not.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 09:18:39 am
But until 1950 the census asked if you were a citizen?

if we are worried the information is going to be shared with ICE then the problem is not the asking of the question itself


I really think it’s crazy to say a country cannot count its citizens...that I thought was the point...


And as an American who checks off Latino I am sick and tired of Hispanics not voting or participating using every excuse in the book. Latino voting rates are abysmal. Most Latinos here are US citizens but they just don’t vote.

This whole issue is just another example of democrats being totally out of touch. I mean really? You can’t ask a person for purposes of a census wether they are a citizen?

So hypothetically if a state had million illegals they would get more representation in the House? Districts with more illegals counted get more representatives and money?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 09:32:53 am
But until 1950 the census asked if you were a citizen?

if we are worried the information is going to be shared with ICE then the problem is not the asking of the question itself


I really think it’s crazy to say a country cannot count its citizens...that I thought was the point...


And as an American who checks off Latino I am sick and tired of Hispanics not voting or participating using every excuse in the book. Latino voting rates are abysmal. Most Latinos here are US citizens but they just don’t vote.

This whole issue is just another example of democrats being totally out of touch. I mean really? You can’t ask a person for purposes of a census wether they are a citizen?

So hypothetically if a state had million illegals they would get more representation in the House? Districts with more illegals counted get more representatives and money?

Just because something happened in 1950 doesn't make it right.  And the climate is quite a bit different right now.

I don't know your situation, but Latino voting rates are not low by accident.  They are low because one of the major political parties see their success as dependent on it and so they take actions to make it hard to vote.  It's not like the US doesn't have a proud history of putting up voting barriers.

Finally, illegal immigrants, or folks in mixed house holds have very legitimate concerns about how that information is being used.  Trump has broken down silos to make it easier to deport people left and right.  Why would you feel secure in giving out your status? 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 09:33:41 am

So hypothetically if a state had million illegals they would get more representation in the House? Districts with more illegals counted get more representatives and money?

It's not just illegals.  It's also green card holders, people on student visas, etc... This was the same thing that happened when only rich white land owners could vote, and then before women had the vote, and of course the South got representation based on slaves who couldn't vote.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 09:39:02 am
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 09:42:53 am
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.

This is an existential threat to the Dems and their ability to hold the House or the White House.  The citizenship question is the spear of a 5 year plan by the R's to remake the electorate and undo demographic shifts. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 11, 2019, 09:56:04 am
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...

I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.

This is an existential threat to the Dems and their ability to hold the House or the White House.  The citizenship question is the spear of a 5 year plan by the R's to remake the electorate and undo demographic shifts. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 10:09:43 am
Trump is going to ride this all the way to the White House

There just isn’t anything wrong with asking a person if they are a citizen

All the extrapolation about what that one question being answered could lead to is not reality. It could happen I suppose but to go from that to saying because it could happen we cannot be asked if we are citizens is crazy

Let’s count Americans in a census of Americans
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 10:15:53 am
Anyways gavroche appreciate your thoughts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 10:51:35 am
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
So we now have documents (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html) that the whole idea the R's pushed this forward as they could see it would give them a clear advantage and hurt Dems
Mr. Hofeller ... wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats


it's just like gerrymandering and the Electoral college, they are figuring out ways to keep leaning it to give them a minority majority
so there is some ethical point I get you are trying to make, but they don't care about ethics, they just want to make it so they can create an unfair advantage to one political party by pulling all these stunts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 11:04:08 am
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
So we now have documents (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html) that the whole idea the R's pushed this forward as they could see it would give them a clear advantage and hurt Dems
Mr. Hofeller ... wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats


it's just like gerrymandering and the Electoral college, they are figuring out ways to keep leaning it to give them a minority majority
so there is some ethical point I get you are trying to make, but they don't care about ethics, they just want to make it so they can create an unfair advantage to one political party by pulling all these stunts

It's not even an ethical point, it's really a messaging point.

We have always counted non-citizens in the Census.  Way back since the framers intended write it, when we included Slaves, women and non-land owners.  So if we really believe in originalism, then the census is about taking stock of who is in the country, not who is a citizen!  (And for the record, we don't send the census to US citizens outside the country to figure out where they are living).

I get the concerns with the messaging around it.  The R's have generally killed the D's with messaging.  And even the fact that we are all using the word illegal immigrant shows that. That said, I don't think this is an issue that hurts the Dems because this isn't a voting issue for their base, or independents.  So I think they need to fight it hard (though I suspect they will lose in the rigged courts).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 11, 2019, 11:15:33 am
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...
Does anyone know the best way to get green smoothie and spittle out of a keyboard? I should probably just replace the keyboard, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 11:16:06 am
I get the concerns with the messaging around it.  The R's have generally killed the D's with messaging.  And even the fact that we are all using the word illegal immigrant shows that. That said, I don't think this is an issue that hurts the Dems because this isn't a voting issue for their base, or independents.  So I think they need to fight it hard (though I suspect they will lose in the rigged courts).

The R's have generally killed the D's with messaging.
generally is being kind...95% of the time they win the messaging war.
I like that Dem's in general think for themselves...which is why we suck on messaging
But I do think that the political leaders really need to work on this as it's critical in these elections and we're typically losing on marketing, not actual policy

oh and Trump expected to announce executive action on census
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 11:24:10 am
Shouldn’t the point be to do things to win 2020 so that we can ensure the census results aren’t used negatively?


Or should we just battle to the death on this, ultimately lose as he includes question anyways and then we lose 2020 and he can use census to further decrease chances of democrats winning?

Is that our strategy cause it sure seems to be

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on July 11, 2019, 11:40:14 am
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...
Does anyone know the best way to get green smoothie and spittle out of a keyboard? I should probably just replace the keyboard, right?

The only winning move is to not drink green smoothies.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 12:04:25 pm
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...

We haven't told you about the Ignore User feature.  It's new since you've returned.

Mouse over "Profile" above.  Click any one of the options.

Then Mouse over "Modify Profile" and select "Buddies/Ignore List"

Add any users to your ignore list and their posts will be covered like this:

"You are ignoring this user." with the option to "Show me the post."

Now if people would stop fucking quoting people I've blocked, I wouldn't have to see their nonsense.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 12:07:26 pm
Gee feeling the ❤️ here!


Thanks guys
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 12:09:44 pm

Now if people would stop fucking quoting people I've blocked, I wouldn't have to see their nonsense.
so you must be reading about 6 posts a month as there are about 4 people posting here

an obviously we're going to have to make sure Seth's name is brought up in this Social Media summit as an enabler of censorship of views not liked
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 12:10:44 pm
I guess if that’s the way you all feel I don’t have to post
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 11, 2019, 12:46:14 pm
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users. That's elitist BS and I won't be a part of it. I love you dummies all equally
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 11, 2019, 12:56:13 pm
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.
(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 11, 2019, 01:05:29 pm
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.
(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!

Why would people want to miss out on posts by anybody? This forum has become boring enough without adding to the boredom by ignoring posts.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on July 11, 2019, 01:49:30 pm
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.
(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!

Why would people want to miss out on posts by anybody? This forum has become boring enough without adding to the boredom by ignoring posts.

ditto, brah.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 04:08:51 pm
You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Nate Silver @NateSilver538 2:21 PM · Jul 9, 2019
I think McGrath has a shot.


Nate Silver @NateSilver538  Jul 9 2:55 PM
It's gonna be one of those races where the polling could show a close race, but the fundamentals strongly favor McConnell and McConnell probably wins. But if you're not providing for, say, a 15-20% chance of McGrath winning, your mental and/or statistical model is overconfident.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 11, 2019, 04:14:52 pm
i swear i wrote a reply to hutch's census comments & queries, but looks like i either didn't hit "submit" - or that our censorship=happy overlord Seth is suppressing my right of free expression.  oh well.

my point was: the census isn't meant to count citizens, it's meant to count residents.  the argument is that anything that suppresses the reporting of residents is undermining the purpose of the census.

hutch, you mentioned something about "what a hill for the dems to die on" - this is a battle that is important to several dem constituencies.  the party would have taken this up even if it didn't threaten their access to power.

"trump will ride this to the white house in 2020" - nope.  this issue will disappear in the background well before november'20.  its importance is long-term: distribution of congressional representation (AKA balance of power), allocation of federal grants, etc.  the citizenship question makes for a good talking point now, and trump will trot it out every now and then as part of his usual woe-is-me litany of deep-state complaints, but this isn't going to move the needle.

I guess if that’s the way you all feel I don’t have to post

nah.  the reason folks jumped all over you because you were making very strong statements about a topic you didn't seem to know much (or at least enough) about. 

then there's jules, but that's jules... and you two have history.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 04:23:13 pm
Nate Silver @NateSilver538  Jul 9 2:55 PM
But if you're not providing for, say, a 15-20% chance of [INSERT CANDIDATE NAME HERE] winning, your mental and/or statistical model is overconfident.

I feel as though he won many very open and contentious arguments by saying something similar in his projections of Trump possibly winning in 2016, with an even higher percentage of odds.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 11, 2019, 04:23:24 pm
then there's jules, but that's jules... and you two have history.
To be fair, I said nothing about Hutch.

I just spit out liquid at someone else's joke about Hutch and then sang a jingle about a third-person's suggestion that people block Hutch. I'm leaving it to other people to do the heavy lifting of the #NeverHutch movement this week.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 04:50:18 pm
anyone looking forward to a Gov't shut down in the early fall...

he Bipartisan Policy Center earlier this week warned that there is a "significant risk" for a breach of the debt ceiling in September, revising its prior prediction of October or November.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 04:52:15 pm
Nate Silver @NateSilver538  Jul 9 2:55 PM
But if you're not providing for, say, a 15-20% chance of [INSERT CANDIDATE NAME HERE] winning, your mental and/or statistical model is overconfident.

I feel as though he won many very open and contentious arguments by saying something similar in his projections of Trump possibly winning in 2016, with an even higher percentage of odds.

first I was all excited by his 'I think McGrath has a shot.' tweet

 but that's why I posted his second tweet which pretty much said...no she doesn't
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 06:37:17 pm
trump taking a new tack on this....
Ultimately I hold Mitch and co responsible for this shit...he's unchecked on every level and just keeps creating a new normal.
it's not MAGA its Make America a Despotic State

Trump backs away from census citizenship question, direct agencies to hand over citizenship information to Commerce
"We are not backing down on our effort to determine the citizenship status of the US population," Trump said in laying out a plan to issue an executive order asking US departments and agencies to find ways to determine a head-count of citizens.
Trump said agencies would be required to provide the Commerce Department with documents and records of citizens and non-citizens, which he said would help provide an accurate picture of US citizenship.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 06:51:44 pm
That’s great news
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 06:59:13 pm
trump taking a new tack on this....

Not really.  His tack all along was to rile up the left while placating to his base.  This new "tack" - which will never come to fruition - is the same.

It's his tried and true pattern and it's so damn effective: get the left fired up, make my base happy all while changing ABSOLUTELY nothing.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 07:02:46 pm
trump taking a new tack on this....

Not really.  His tack all along was to rile up the left while placating to his base.  This new "tack" - which will never come to fruition - is the same.

It's his tried and true pattern and it's so damn effective: get the left fired up, make my base happy all while changing ABSOLUTELY nothing.
ok...that is 100% correct
although they keep chanting 'he's delivered on EVERY promise he's ever made"
how do we combat that misconception

he is so good at getting liberals panties in a knot (is that now an inappropriate cliche in #metoo?)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 07:08:11 pm
trump taking a new tack on this....

Not really.  His tack all along was to rile up the left while placating to his base.  This new "tack" - which will never come to fruition - is the same.

It's his tried and true pattern and it's so damn effective: get the left fired up, make my base happy all while changing ABSOLUTELY nothing.
ok...that is 100% correct
although they keep chanting 'he's delivered on EVERY promise he's ever made"
how do we combat that misconception

he is so good at getting liberals panties in a knot (is that now an inappropriate cliche in #metoo?)

This was a good outcome.  It will help with the integrity of the census (though they will find other means to try to undercount minorities).  And of course the R's will continue to pitch new ways to try to reshape the electorate in their favor.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 07:52:58 pm
how do we combat that misconception

Why bother?  Are you ever going to change the mind of his base?  Do you even need to in order to win this election?

Start focusing on sensible economic policies that will change the minds of ~700,000 voters in 6 key states instead of seeing who can jerk whom off furthest to the left.   

And, please, ignore the distractions.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 11, 2019, 08:16:09 pm
Start focusing on sensible economic policies that will change the minds of ~700,000 voters in 6 key states instead of seeing who can jerk whom off furthest to the left.   
Y. E. S.

Talk about the economic issues of white people. Not social issues. No deplorables. Not [insert group here]’s rights. Take care of all those issues once elected. But only talk about white peoples economic issues and pick someone to blame for it and we will win.

I have no confidence we will do that.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2019, 08:20:52 pm
how do we combat that misconception
Why bother?  Are you ever going to change the mind of his base?  Do you even need to in order to win this election?
I come to this board sometimes for Political Therapy.
I like the variety of inputs and perspectives (although without ratbastard, all are just slight left to antifa) crafting arguments and reasoning with sentences and not bumper sticker slogans (could probably have slightly less insults tho)

But, this is sound advice
Why bother?

I need to keep reminding my self, no matter how many times I tell his base that he wears no clothes, they will NEVER believe it...especially if I'm the messenger

It's like raising a toddler, you really can't use logic.  It's pointless and will only frustrate yourself

My only caveat on that is, some of this shit is SOOO freaking far from the norm I've known all my life.
I feel like I could say about 100 things off the top of my head that are absolutely insane in the last 2 yrs

my concern is its all about shock and awe and I'm going to miss 1 or 2 supremely important issues

But Why bother?

At least with the bitching and complaining and trying to change peoples minds
It will do no good and only frustrate me.
There is a huge list of watchdogs that are watching...so let them get the ulcers
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Start focusing on sensible economic policies that will change the minds of ~700,000 voters in 6 key states instead of seeing who can jerk whom off furthest to the left.   
I'm pretty certain that I'll have little impact
but I think what your trying to say (knows no fury greater than when he tries to speak FOR Smakie)
Is I need to find the candidate who has a sensible economic policies
and make sure they are laser focused on those people and support them in voice and money (optional)

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And, please, ignore the distractions.
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did you say something?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 11, 2019, 08:28:48 pm
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.
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Post by: hutch on July 11, 2019, 08:41:41 pm
Funny I thought I had been saying the same thing
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Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 09:42:20 pm
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.

It was never going to pass the courts in time to be included on the Census form.  From day one.

They just needed to get the base to think he was trying - and he got an easy political win for his efforts.

The more he makes the left look crazy to the center, the better chance he has at being  re-elected.
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Post by: gavroche on July 12, 2019, 05:09:32 am
...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 12, 2019, 09:44:27 am
Sec Acosta resigning
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Post by: gavroche on July 12, 2019, 09:47:58 am
Sec Acosta resigning

Trump knows he's really vulnerable on this Epstein stuff.  Only question is whether a Democratic candidate will be able to really hammer him on it.
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Post by: Space Freely on July 12, 2019, 09:56:03 am
Sec Acosta resigning

As an aside, can we just declare that this guy is the oldest looking 50 year old white collar professional on earth?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 12, 2019, 09:57:36 am
Yes!


He has one strangely shaped skull
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 12, 2019, 05:40:52 pm
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.

You might also take look at page 28 of Chief Justice Robert's Opinion of the Court (page 33 of the document):

"We do not hold that the agency decision here was substantively invalid. But agencies must pursue their goals reasonably. Reasoned decision making under the Administrative Procedure Act calls for an explanation for agency action. What was provided here was more of a distraction."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18-966_bq7c.pdf
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 19, 2019, 09:47:27 am
John who?

John Delaney's staffers have asked him to drop out  (https://www.axios.com/john-delaney-2020-presidential-campaign-drop-out-44634be2-0973-403b-aca0-55278a9c37da.html)
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Post by: vansmack on July 19, 2019, 01:36:52 pm
They had me at this line in the Leaders section: (https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/07/20/the-white-house-ditches-half-a-century-of-immigration-law)

"It is a familiar pattern. The president says something outrageous—this time Donald Trump told four black and brown-skinned Democratic congresswomen, all of whom are us citizens and three of whom were born in America, to “go back” where they came from. His supporters, who have come to accept what many of them previously found unconscionable, stay silent. His opponents, rightly appalled, lament what has happened to their country. At the same time the Trump administration makes a big policy change that attracts far less attention—in this case, an edict that directly affects tens of thousands of people a year and overturns half a century of precedent."

But then Lexington brought it home:

The Economist: Lexington

The 2020 campaign will be more racially divisive than 2016 was
There is method behind Donald Trump’s “go home” tweets


Print edition | United States
Jul 18th 2019

Donald trump’s bigotry is such an established part of American public discourse that, in retrospect, one of the most febrile debates of 2016 looks naive. Back and forth it went, in the months before the election, as the Republican candidate issued a slur against a Mexican-American judge and for a while refused to disavow the endorsement of a former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard. Was Mr Trump mainly appealing to his supporters’ economic concerns—in spite of his chauvinism? Or was his race-baiting really the main draw?

The answer was in long before the president sent an especially offensive tweet this week, inviting four unnamed, but by inference non-white, Democratic congresswomen to “go back” to where they came from. It was settled before he refused to condemn the white supremacists of Charlottesville two years ago. The data from his 2016 election have been scrutinised, and the resulting analyses, detailed in books and papers, are in agreement. Political scientists find no clear economic rationale for Mr Trump’s victory.

Many states, such as Georgia and Maryland, which had moved away from the Democrats in the tough times of 2012, drifted back towards their candidate in the better ones of 2016. The millions of working-class whites whom Mr Trump recruited in rustbelt states did not buck that trend because of economic anxiety. They were no likelier to attribute their vote to it than they had been in 2012.

Rather, they were unified by nothing so much as antipathy to America’s growing diversity, and an attendant feeling that whites were losing ground. Both were expressed in hostility to immigration, immigrants and welfare spending (which many wrongly believed was being slurped up by migrants). No doubt these feelings were exacerbated by economic as well as cultural and sometimes personal fears: people are complicated and America is changing. These sentiments also predated Mr Trump. Yet they had not been such a big factor in voting decision-making until he made them so, by drawing out his audience’s inner grievances, like a magnet tugging at a metal splinter.

In their book “Identity Crisis”, John Sides, Michael Tesler and Lynn Vavreck describe the rationalisation such Trump supporters made as “racialised economics”. Only a small minority of voters hold old-style racist views on questions like black-white marriage, but a very large number believe that “undeserving groups are getting ahead while [my] group is left behind.” An earlier study by the Voter Study Group found hostility to immigrants to be the best predictor of a Trump voter. One by the Public Religion Research Institute found much the same. There has been no serious counter-argument. Mr Trump’s race card was the winning one.

Hence his inflammatory comment this week. For while the strength of the economy might appear to have given him a better electoral option, Mr Trump is intent on a repeat performance. There is no prospect of him toning down his rhetoric and pocketing the grateful majority of Americans who consider their personal finances to be “good” or “excellent”. The fact is, his behaviour and policies have already repelled a majority of voters. He wants the applause of his adoring base too much to change style. And his view that America is essentially a white country messed up by escapees from non-white ones appears to be irrepressible. Amid the continuing outrage his racist tweet stirred this week, there are three important things to say about this.

First, Mr Trump’s campaign will be more racially divisive than it was in 2016, when he won white voters by 20 percentage points. He was still feeling his way then, looking for praise from the New York Times and msnbc’s “Morning Joe”. And when he did ramp up the rhetoric he was criticised by Republican leaders. Even as late as Charlottesville, his inflammatory language was repudiated by elected Republicans, business leaders and senior aides including his daughter Ivanka and Gary Cohn. He has received nothing like such criticism this week. Moreover, his slur against the four congresswomen, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley—of whom only Ms Omar was born overseas and Ms Pressley is not even of recent migrant stock, merely black—came not from an eccentric candidate, but the president. If Mr Trump only repeated his divisive 2016 lines next year, they would carry more weight. And he will probably say worse, because he wants vindication, for himself and his reviled method. In the event of any setback, he is liable to double down.

It might work again, too, which is the second point. Mr Trump’s approval ratings are low, but resilient and competitive. Set aside the state-level polling, which is less positive for him, and he is only a few points short of the 46% he won in 2016. He need not be loved to make up the difference. He needs only to make his opponent more hated, which was his other ploy in 2016. This makes Democratic voters, whose early support for Joe Biden suggests a demand for a plain-vanilla moderate whom Mr Trump might find hard to demonise, more sensible than the party’s left-wing activists. They see in his vulnerability an opportunity to bring about a leftward shift that most Americans do not want. One plausible, though possibly too ingenious, theory for his attack on Ms Pressley and the rest, all of whom are left-wingers, is that he wanted to boost their prestige within the party. That may in any event be the result.

The Gipper took a different view

Democrats must resist Mr Trump setting their agenda in any way. They do not need revered anti-Trump warriors. They need to be able to rebuke his divisiveness smartly, keeping in mind their own reputation for hyperventilating. The bill introduced by Nancy Pelosi to censure his tweet passed that test. Its citation of a line from Ronald Reagan’s last presidential address, “If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost,” also spoke to the third point, which is the fundamental one. Mr Trump’s exclusionary vision of America is a travesty.

This article appeared in the United States section of the print edition under the headline "Back to where he came from" (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/07/18/the-2020-campaign-will-be-more-racially-divisive-than-2016-was)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 19, 2019, 05:24:33 pm
Prediction on Lincoln Chafee going for a run for president on the Libertarian Party ticket

seems like it will have no impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 19, 2019, 05:26:06 pm
oh noes, bernie, not a good look:

Bernie Sanders' unionized staffers clash with campaign over guarantee of $15 an hour (https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-union-clash/index.html)
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2019, 12:23:57 pm
Has Kamala learned nothing...you can't piss of TayTay and be President

Taylor Swift Block Vote May Be In Jeopardy For Kamala Harris, Thanks To Scooter Braun Fundraiser
(https://deadline.com/2019/07/kamala-harris-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-fundraiser-ariana-grande-katy-perry-demi-lovato-1202650207/)

#WeStandWithTaylor
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Post by: sweetcell on July 22, 2019, 12:42:48 pm
Has Kamala learned nothing...you can't piss of TayTay and be President

Taylor Swift Block Vote May Be In Jeopardy For Kamala Harris, Thanks To Scooter Braun Fundraiser
(https://deadline.com/2019/07/kamala-harris-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-fundraiser-ariana-grande-katy-perry-demi-lovato-1202650207/)

#WeStandWithTaylor

you forgot to log in to your Julian account.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2019, 12:59:09 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
an interesting blow by blow of the whole event...and people still are conflicted on their decisions at the time

July 29, 2019 Issue of the New Yorker
The Case of Al Franken
A close look at the accusations against the former senator. (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken?utm_brand=tny&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_twitter)

most are sticking to their guns
but this was a well orchestrated take-down by they right and the left gladly pulled the cord on the
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e0feb5d9fdcf09af37435c795e81641f/tenor.gif?itemid=10717919)
(although he resigned on his own volition)

I still struggle with this myself as I think that demeaning and sexual advances by men in power are not to be tolerated
I still think we threw the baby out with the bathwater and lost one of our best voices in the democratic side as I don't think he was or is a serial sexual predator in the slightest

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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2019, 05:36:21 pm
nate is having none of it....

Nate Silver @NateSilver538

Let me be direct and clear: This article is a master class in biased reporting and editing. There are so many subtle ways that it seeks to manipulate the reader into taking Franken's side.
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Post by: hutch on July 22, 2019, 05:43:53 pm
Yeah I saw that


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2019, 05:57:58 pm
Who cares anymore? He’s done. Personally all I say is the Democrats should have had an investigation not cut him loose; I note Senator Gillibrand -at an Anthem event- called for an investigation of Virginia Lieutenant Governor after multiple allegations and not his immediate resignation as she did with Franken


But whatever it’s all a moot point now
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2019, 06:00:14 pm
Who cares anymore? He’s done.
true...
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 22, 2019, 06:02:51 pm
Just made a donation to Gillibrands campaign after reading this. The evil scumbaggery of pro-Franken people just further confirms Gillibrands leadership. To hell with Al Franken.
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Post by: hutch on July 22, 2019, 06:11:26 pm
The evil scumbaggery of Pro Franken people



 ;D
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Post by: WALKonBack on July 22, 2019, 09:16:56 pm
ah politics . . . controlling our minds, one sex money power scandal, at a time.  Im just there, for the gay porn.  speaking of al franken, and when aren't we.   he wasn't funny as a character, only as a writer.  the, end.
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Post by: hutch on July 22, 2019, 09:37:38 pm
Kind of feel like democrats are constantly outfoxed regarding mueller probe...what is the point of testimony
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Post by: nkotb on July 23, 2019, 08:34:26 am
FIFY

Kind of feel like democrats are constantly outfoxed
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2019, 11:04:05 am
nate is on fire lately.....

Nate Silver
Slight non-sequitur, but kudos to Eric Swalwell for being the only one of the dozen or so hopeless Democratic candidates who put aside his ego and dropped out.
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Post by: vansmack on July 24, 2019, 02:59:19 pm
nate is on fire lately.....

Nate Silver
Slight non-sequitur, but kudos to Eric Swalwell for being the only one of the dozen or so hopeless Democratic candidates who put aside his ego and dropped out.

Let me be direct and clear.  Nate's tweet is void of any polling, and it's subtle attempt to give credit to Swalwell's ego is a false narrative, when in fact it is his own survival back home that steered him out of the Presidential race.

Someone is doing polling in CA15, and it appears to be Swalwell. (https://ebcitizen.com/2019/07/16/someone-is-doing-polling-in-ca15-and-it-appears-to-be-swalwell-was-he-spooked-by-the-results/) 
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2019, 03:21:07 pm
While I'm not going to argue with you on that response

Swalwell had zero chance of getting the nom... as do about 15 of them, I do think at this stage some of them should drop out and get over themselves. 
I do think Swalwell making sure he keeps his day job is an important factor...I assume a few of them have the same issue at home. 


Who is donating to these people?
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Post by: gavroche on July 24, 2019, 03:39:39 pm
While I'm not going to argue with you on that response

Swalwell had zero chance of getting the nom... as do about 15 of them, I do think at this stage some of them should drop out and get over themselves. 
I do think Swalwell making sure he keeps his day job is an important factor...I assume a few of them have the same issue at home. 


Who is donating to these people?

Their mothers?  (Actually, more likely local interests back home that want to curry favor for when the candidates inevitably return to their day jobs).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on July 24, 2019, 05:09:20 pm
walkie's prediction for 2020.

kamala is successful in her pot push . . . she wins


trump, trumps her and makes it legal first, and runs on the fact that he did it . . . he wins.


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Post by: WALKonBack on July 24, 2019, 10:13:38 pm
Sorry, I forgot . . . the, end.
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Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2019, 01:41:34 pm
Governor Gavin Newsom Signs SB 27: Tax Transparency Bill (http://cert1.mail-west.com/jpP/zjanmc7rmcCy/f61cCgtmyu/cCaqwyt62lad1u/61cCqvnq/iyjln6uf/4tk/5qjvz?_c=d%7Cze7pzanwmhlzgt%7C16sh6aywlvxg4d5&_ce=1564508427.a650a745ae86ca121ce5efe57a14c1e8)

SACRAMENTO – Governor Gavin Newsom signed today legislation requiring candidates for U.S. President and California Governor to disclose their income tax returns in order to appear on California’s primary ballot.

SB 27, by Senator Mike McGuire (D-Healdsburg) and Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), requires a candidate for U.S. President or California Governor to file copies of every income tax return filed with the Internal Revenue Service in the five most recent taxable years with the Secretary of State, at least 98 days prior to the corresponding primary election.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 30, 2019, 03:11:34 pm
and...Trump never does things he's told

Also he's not going to win CA so would not appearing on their ballot screw up the Electoral college?
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 31, 2019, 10:40:14 am
these debates are kind of a circus...not really sure how this is helping
I guess there are those bottom 15 candidates that no one knows are geting some screen time

I don't know about reparations, in concept I get it...and drew big applause in Detroit
I really think we are going to lose swing voters over trying to get the black vote with that
Also seemed to be 'White Nite" on the stage, with Lemon asking the question about reparations
awkward

but stick to health care, the environment, immigration ...and Jobs of course (IMO should be job retraining, vocational schools/apprenticeship and National service corp)

not sure I like Tim's Chief Manufacturing Officer pitch, but a good way to get himself in the good graces of the blue collar voter in swing states

Marianne Williamson is starting to get A LOT of attention...I hope that fades
she makes some bold statements, but no way swing voters are going to like that kind of rhetoric

I really think Mayor Pete is such a charismatic guy and really has such a great delivery on some of the hot topics
Maybe he has what it takes
I did find it funny when Amy smirked when Pete said he was in High School when Columbine happened (probably because she was changing diapers around that time)

Amy made a statement that I wanted to follow up on about how Minnesota has the highest voter turnout

74.8% voter turnout in 2016! (https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_elections)

This article suggests that same day registration is a factor...but has a lot to do with civic involvement, education and income
https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2016/09/five-reasons-why-voter-turnout-minnesota-so-high/

so my question is ...what can we learn from Amy and the Minnesotans

Honestly if we could get to 70% voter turnout that IMO would be an goal to strive for
if we get to 2008 levels...62.3% we'd probably be in good shape

Arizona (near the bottom with 56%)
Florida (looking good at 11...but such close elections every year)
Michigan tied for with FL at 65.7%...again real close elections need to get those number even higher
Pennsylvania #25...with 61.3%
Wisconsin. 69%...so would put it in the top 5... Turnout for the presidential election in Wisconsin appears to be a 20-year low.   eligible black voters in Wisconsin fell from 74 percent in 2012 to 55.1 percent in 2016.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 31, 2019, 01:53:19 pm
word is these went up in his home state!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA0Sq_zXoAUrPGg?format=jpg&name=medium)
#ditchmitch
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Post by: sweetcell on July 31, 2019, 03:00:09 pm
^ gawd i love that.  he's got to be so pissed.
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Post by: vansmack on August 05, 2019, 07:49:53 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"

https://genius.com/a/lil-nas-x-s-old-town-road-breaks-the-record-for-most-weeks-at-no-1-on-the-hot-100
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 07, 2019, 04:00:50 pm
oh dang...Mike Gravel dropped his bid for the presidency...and then there were 23!
(https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/En7dgjGI.jpg?w=512)
so no #Gravelanche I guess
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 07, 2019, 05:36:44 pm
i had no idea he was running.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 15, 2019, 09:11:32 am
Hickenlooper is out...then there were 22
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2019, 03:46:48 pm
I agree....this means nothing...I just like the horse race
biden barely squeaks out a win

Iowa State Fair Straw Poll:
Biden 17.7
Warren 17.2
Buttigieg 14
Sanders 10
Harris 8.4
Booker 6.1
Gabbard 4.7
Klobuchar 3.4
O’Rourke 2.1
Williamson 1.5
Gillibrand 1
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 19, 2019, 04:12:19 pm
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2019, 04:18:05 pm
Julian for ....the pets

 calls for ending the practice of euthanizing dogs and cats in shelters and other animal welfareish things

I'm actually totally for this...but don't think this is something that is going to get a single vote in a Presidential election
but I guess we're talking about Julian now, so guess it was somewhat effective
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 19, 2019, 04:20:01 pm
If pets are ever given citizenship, this longplay is going to look so good. #FORTHEFUTURE
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2019, 04:22:10 pm
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner
as well as O’Rourke
had this poll been taken a few months ago, he would have probably been in the 4 to 6 rank
Warren has been having a VERY good summer as well as Buttigieg

would have thought Klobuchar would have done better in iowa too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2019, 04:23:22 pm
If pets are ever given citizenship, this longplay is going to look so good. #FORTHEFUTURE
damn...didn't see that angle

I guess Zombies are also an untapped group too...think of all the dead people
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 19, 2019, 04:24:50 pm
I guess Zombies are also an untapped group too...
Who do you think votes for Trump if not mindless zombies?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on August 19, 2019, 04:53:47 pm
I've always thought Drew Carey was bullied into the "Have your pets spayed or neutered" line after he took over for Bob Barker. He just doesn't deliver the line with the same enthusiasm.

What a shame, what a shame.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 19, 2019, 04:55:38 pm
in chicago, the dead vote all the time.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 19, 2019, 05:14:51 pm
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner

Hmmm.....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA-hWECWsAAdF1_.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA-hw8iW4AA5NB4.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2019, 05:23:24 pm
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner

Hmmm.....

Can we get a little explanation of what the difference is in these two images?
other than the first one has Sanders crushing the US and the second doesn't have sanders
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 19, 2019, 05:31:32 pm
First map is how much I love Bernie.  Second is how much I'd like Warren if there was no Bernie.

Might be behind a paywall (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-fundraising.html), but essentially map 1 is a heat map of where the bulk of each candidates donor base comes from.  Map 2 is the Times having to remove Bernie's base entirely to see practically anyone else outside of a few folks' homebase.

It's a pretty interesting set of maps, especially when you see who's running strong in areas with wealth concentration.

The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner

Hmmm.....

Can we get a little explanation of what the difference is in these two images?
other than the first one has Sanders crushing the US and the second doesn't have sanders
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2019, 05:50:58 pm
looks like trump is going to cut our payroll taxes...as if the deficit wasn't high enough let lower incoming revenue even more!

great way to get votes tho...
Don't think it's going to stop this recession
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 19, 2019, 06:03:56 pm
looks like trump is going to cut our payroll taxes...as if the deficit wasn't high enough let lower incoming revenue even more!

great way to get votes tho...
Don't think it's going to stop this recession

More like: Trump is going to ask Congress to cut the payroll tax.  Puts Dems in a hard spot, because its a regressive tax that absolutely kills the accounting for Social Security.  But if they don't go along, Trump can try to peg the recession on them.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2019, 06:12:27 pm
looks like trump is going to cut our payroll taxes...as if the deficit wasn't high enough let lower incoming revenue even more!

great way to get votes tho...
Don't think it's going to stop this recession

More like: Trump is going to ask Congress to cut the payroll tax.  Puts Dems in a hard spot, because its a regressive tax that absolutely kills the accounting for Social Security.  But if they don't go along, Trump can try to peg the recession on them.
God they need help with spin...dems just suck at messaging

team trump needs a bumper sticker (or a tweet) the dems have to put out a 64 page report that no one will read
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 19, 2019, 09:17:38 pm
Cutting the FICA tax can only work if the salary cap is removed, or at least raised significantly.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 19, 2019, 09:33:48 pm
Cutting the FICA tax can only work if the salary cap is removed, or at least raised significantly.

I agree, but there is no way that the cap is raised or removed.  Especially since Obama actually had a FICA holiday on his watch.  This is going to be an absolute mess for the Dems.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on August 20, 2019, 10:34:50 am
(http://)

I don't have time for this.

 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html  (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 20, 2019, 10:40:48 am
I think these things are generally harmless and can be fun, but man, they're trying really hard to make something out of this.

(http://)

I don't have time for this.

 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html  (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 21, 2019, 10:14:47 pm
Inslee's out. Bummer...not only is his climate plan radical but hes one of the few folks running that has a real distinct voice and focus.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 21, 2019, 10:23:46 pm
Inslee's out. Bummer...
Not surprising, I really did like him and his message
but I knew it was doomed

One thing I thought stood out with him, is he often would talk up some big idea and it would sound so lofty and then he would say "we did that in the state of Washington" and that's putting your money where your mouth is.  A lot of people have no idea what it would be like to run something so complex as the United States and how a President has to work with tons of groups of people to get things done (not rule like the king of the jews)
governors/Mayors are the only one's who have real world experience at that kind of stuff. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 22, 2019, 01:46:40 am
Inslee (...) has a real distinct voice and focus.

but that was his problem, he's a single-issue candidate.  and while we should all be on board with his single issue - nothing else more important at this point - it just won't capture the nation's attention.

yet.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 07:59:32 am
Climate crisis isn't a "single issue" though...but I can't blame folks for not paying attention when it gets 10 short minutes in the debates.

My point was out of a field of 25 candidates we have MAYBE 6 with any policies/positions that really standout. It's a bummer hes out while the rest of them argue over the millimeters of space between them. But that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess

Inslee (...) has a real distinct voice and focus.

but that was his problem, he's a single-issue candidate.  and while we should all be on board with his single issue - nothing else more important at this point - it just won't capture the nation's attention.

yet.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 22, 2019, 08:56:11 am
I do think that Inslee had an impact on the current dialogue about climate change and that we should be grateful for

Honestly it's all about how the messaging is on climate change....I think there is an effort to make these statements that "we'll make more jobs and money" when in fact the best approach if for everyone to sacrifice a little (or maybe even a lot) ...and Americans are really not that good at that, we pride ourselves on our gluttony

Maybe he'll become the Head of the EPA or a good cabinet position(yes we gotta win first)
The candidates had much nicer things to say about him compared to Swalwell exit

he stood out from all the other old white dudes...to me at least
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:13:35 am
Agreed, both about his impact and the messaging.  I think we had some candidates that already recognized climate as the issue of our time, but not enough really treated it as an existential threat.  I'm glad his voice and focus on it kind of made it hard to not shift the focus a bit, though it still seems like an add-on to some of these folks.  messaging-wise, though, it's hard...I think it's a really easy thing to convey exactly how climate crisis can impact anyone (i mean, without hyperbole it affects every aspect of our lives) and I think the folks that treat it accordingly do a good job of pointing that out.  But you need a media willing to treat it as a serious thing, and they flat out refuse. Not that I think Inslee would've won, but I think given the proper attention, he would've gone further.


I do think that Inslee had an impact on the current dialogue about climate change and that we should be grateful for

Honestly it's all about how the messaging is on climate change....I think there is an effort to make these statements that "we'll make more jobs and money" when in fact the best approach if for everyone to sacrifice a little (or maybe even a lot) ...and Americans are really not that good at that, we pride ourselves on our gluttony

Maybe he'll become the Head of the EPA or a good cabinet position(yes we gotta win first)
The candidates had much nicer things to say about him compared to Swalwell exit

he stood out from all the other old white dudes...to me at least
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 09:16:41 am
His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 22, 2019, 09:16:58 am
your boy had something to say today about it
Bernie Sanders launches $16 trillion climate change plan
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 22, 2019, 09:18:37 am
His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
I didn't say the voter...I meant on the platforms of the candidates and what was being discussed
correct...99% of the US didn't even know he was running
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:22:30 am
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I know I'm biased (and obviously he's the best), but he's had a serious week: killer criminal justice reform, Workplace Democracy plan and now this. 

your boy had something to say today about it
Bernie Sanders launches $16 trillion climate change plan
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:23:08 am
Hutch why do you constantly tear down other Democrats. You're the reason Trump won!!!

His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 09:23:27 am
Today I announce my $88 quintillion climate change plan


About as credible and relevant....Bernie will never be president but he can damn well make sure, again, Trump is

Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:25:59 am
Hutch, your negativity is giving Trump what he wants. OWN THAT YOU CAUSED HIM TO GET REELECTED!!!!!!!!

Today I announce my $88 quintillion climate change plan


About as credible and relevant....Bernie will never be president but he can damn well make sure, again, Trump is

Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 09:26:32 am
Hutch why do you constantly tear down other Democrats. You're the reason Trump won!!!

His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact


The only one I tear down is Bernie because he is not a Democrat and with the help of bozos like you got Trump elected

Saying someone is barely registering is not tearing them down...just fact

Saying someone helped elect Trump and isn’t even a Democrat is tearing them down
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:28:16 am
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 22, 2019, 09:33:44 am
Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general
I 100% agree on this...
The only one I tear down is Bernie because he is not a Democrat
and this...
I think this is going to be Bernie's problem...he's got very few friends and allies in the Democratic party as he's made a career distancing himself from them
Unless he pulls a Trump and changes the whole Democratic establishment...he's never going to get their support
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 22, 2019, 09:39:55 am
Hickenlooper says he's running for Senate

also
Per AP, Inslee will announce he's seeking a 3rd term as governor.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 12:16:30 pm
Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general
I 100% agree on this...
The only one I tear down is Bernie because he is not a Democrat
and this...
I think this is going to be Bernie's problem...he's got very few friends and allies in the Democratic party as he's made a career distancing himself from them
Unless he pulls a Trump and changes the whole Democratic establishment...he's never going to get their support

Why is providing for Americans suddenly off the table?  Trump's tax cuts have blown up the budget deficit, he's building concentration camps and a stupid wall, and he's jacked up military spending, so he he's suddenly going to be credible on fiscal responsibility.

We can debate whether the government should provide health care or build renewable energy, but it's clear that markets aren't giving us either of those things at the levels we need.

Sure recent Democratic candidates have all been neo-liberal centrists.  But they have mixed results.  Clinton won twice.  Gore and Kerry lost.  Obama won twice.  Clinton lost.  We honestly don't know that a neo-lib would do better than a social democrat because it's been 40 years since one ran on the national level.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 12:22:59 pm
Providing for Americans is great! Just do it once you are elected

I like what Warren is saying though...she proposes a way to pay for things I think most Americans would support

However I think candidates should keep the specifics to a minimum until the general; the smart play...even then offer as few as you can get away with


Some people think Americans vote on policy but most Americans just don’t

However announcing mega spending is just dumb

Look at Trump...he announced he was going to cut spending and got elected...has he cut spending?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 12:27:39 pm
I like Hutch's approach: don't tell people what you plan to do or how you plan to do it, and definitely don't give the public any tangible reasons why you would improve their lives and material needs.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 12:31:58 pm
Well unfortunately nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people


Broad guidelines are fine...having people know what you stand for great

Telling people you will spend X trillion on this is moronic

The main thing is for the American people to “like” you....it’s been proven over and over again that is what wins elections

Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 12:48:36 pm
Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...

Boy do I have good news for you then :)

https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-q4-2018/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 12:50:07 pm
Well I was speaking about the presidential election


You know it to be true....crack all the jokes you want...deep down you know
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 22, 2019, 01:00:27 pm
Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...

Boy do I have good news for you then :)

https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-q4-2018/

 Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 01:01:29 pm
The main thing is for the American people to “like” you....it’s been proven over and over again that is what wins elections

So lets just center on this.  Will people like candidates more if they have an ambitious image of what American can be, or if they say we can't do that because it costs too much?  Do you get more mileage based on being "reasonable" or based on being visionary? 

All I'm saying is that the conventional wisdom from the Democratic party is that they need to be reasonable to win... but they don't have a great track record of winning. 

Republicans have decided not to be reasonable.  They have a slightly better track record of winning, but more importantly, they've gotten more out of their wins and reset the system in the process.

It might be that Biden really is the most electable candidate, but it's really just conventional wisdom that says that.  I'm skeptical of it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 01:16:08 pm
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee


Do you think anyone would pick Bernie or Warren over Trump

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:21:22 pm
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee

Do you think anyone would pick Bernie over Trump

Yes

I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee

Do you think anyone would pick Warren over Trump
[/quote

I think it's less certain than Bernie based on available metrics (which we all know after 2016 are horseshit, but...) I still think it's possible. I'm not as confident, though.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 01:24:10 pm
But you are delusional
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:29:57 pm
Also, you are 100% right...I did a quick google search while on a call and grabbed the incorrect article. Wanted the national polling.

I thought I had seen a more recent one, but I can't one that isn't based on their home state.  A recent Quinnipiac has Bernie second (admittedly, behind Biden): https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2591. But this is from December, so well before Biden a) joined the race and b) started brain hemorrhaging on live TV.

I think the fact of the matter is, if we're using the metric of "no one cares about policy but does care about who they like", you're be foolish to think that excludes Bernie.  But I also don't think "popularity" or "electability" really mean anything, at least in the way they're typically used.

Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...

Boy do I have good news for you then :)

https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-q4-2018/

 Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 01:30:21 pm
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee


Do you think anyone would pick Bernie or Warren over Trump

How would you rank the Dems in terms of who you want to drink with?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:31:56 pm
You typically throw out statement and then refuse to answer questions about them, so it's OK if you ignore this.  But tell me...by what metric do you gauge who would beat Trump?  You have to have some reason (hopefully) more than your gut. I'd really be interested!

But you are delusional
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:38:28 pm
I like this game. Here is my list, but it's less about "do i like their policies" and more "would it suck to be stuck talking to them for an hour":

Michael Bennet (No)
Joe Biden (No)
Bill de Blasio (No)
Cory Booker (Yes, but only because I'd likely be close to Rosario Dawson)
Steve Bullock (No)
Pete Buttigieg (No)
Julián Castro (I wouldn't turn him down for a beer, but I wouldn't seek him out)
John Delaney (No)
Tulsi Gabbard (Sure)
Kirsten Gillibrand (Again, wouldn't turn her down, but I wouldn't seek her out)
Kamala Harris (No)
Amy Klobuchar (No, she'll whip the glass at my head)
Wayne Messam (No)
Seth Moulton (No)
Beto O'Rourke (No)
Tim Ryan (No)
Bernie Sanders (Yes)
Joe Sestak (No)
Tom Steyer (No)
Elizabeth Warren (Yes)
Marianne Williamson (Yes, but I'd probably regret it)
Andrew Yang (No, it would cut into my monthly $1000 stipend)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 22, 2019, 01:41:41 pm
I feel Beto would be super fun to drink with, just a terrible President.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 22, 2019, 01:42:14 pm
like to have a beer with
I do think this is how Republicans judge as they would prefer an everyman to a know-it-all

Me, personally, I'd like someone who knows the fuck what they are doing and has a plan
and can think on their own two feet

not someone to play darts with...
I think my president should be smarter than me (although that's not saying much) and really doesn't have time to go 'get a drink'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 22, 2019, 01:42:38 pm
And as many on here can attest to, if you have the opportunity to park yourself next to a Julian for a few cold ones over a few hours, you should definitely jump at it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 01:44:42 pm
like to have a beer with
I do think this is how Republicans judge as they would prefer an everyman to a know-it-all



Trump is an everyman, and not a know-it-all?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:46:22 pm
I put him as a No because I could see one of two things happening:

1) We start talking about punk music, and then I realize he's sort of superficially into it and I get bummed out, or;

2) We start talking about punk music and I realize he's way into it but in a non-compatible way and it annoys me.

Agreed about the president thing, though.

I feel Beto would be super fun to drink with, just a terrible President.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 22, 2019, 01:53:06 pm
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?

This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:

I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 02:06:04 pm
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?

This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:

I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.

I'm willing to grant all of that.  But he still seems like he'd be a horrible bore to drink with.  Thin skinned, and egotistical. One of those guys who tells long stories about himself and than you'd have to watch every word that you said, less he took offense. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 22, 2019, 02:13:43 pm
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?

This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:

I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.

I'm willing to grant all of that.  But he still seems like he'd be a horrible bore to drink with.  Thin skinned, and egotistical. One of those guys who tells long stories about himself and than you'd have to watch every word that you said, less he took offense.

Plus, he doesn't drink. I want a moderate drinker as my president.

I think you give Trump too much credit. You're talking about Trump from 10 years ago. Now, I think he's a dementia ridden old man who repeats simple taking points and can't  string together a coherent sentence, even about himself.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 22, 2019, 04:29:17 pm
We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things.

instead, now we have idiots mismanaging everything.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 07:50:20 pm
I knew it was Morning Consult...just grabbed the wrong link: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 07:55:27 pm
Still trying huh?


His popularity in Vermont has zero to do with his likability nationwide


If he was running for President of Vermont he would be the odds on favorite

He is in deep trouble

Running against only Hillary is very different than running against so many other solid candidates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:07:11 pm
Hutch can you read?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 09:16:43 pm
Yeah...can you?

It seems like you are having trouble with reading comprehension

I mean I cited likability as being important and you come back with his popularity in Vermont?

So ducking what? It’s an incredibly liberal state and he has been the Senator for them for decades..he wouldn’t be re-elected if he wasn’t popular

That doesn’t make him likable on a national level

I personally detest him
You want a cookie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:25:56 pm
I take what I said back...maybe there where too many posts for you to keep up.  I'll try again.

I knew it was Morning Consult...just grabbed the wrong link: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2019, 10:02:57 pm
Explain what you are trying to say...posting a link to a bunch of charts doesn’t say anything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2019, 09:42:11 am
 Seth Moulton drops out and I feel fine
 ...what's that 21 left?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 23, 2019, 09:45:14 am
Who?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 23, 2019, 09:47:17 am
Who?

Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2019, 10:14:46 am
Who?
Looks like Moulton could do the Henry Rollins bio-pic
(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/dd3a7dc/2147483647/resize/1160x/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F7f%2F36%2Fc7ee36af4d7aaf0c5e1ad93efeb0%2F190823-seth-moulton-gty-773.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on August 23, 2019, 10:44:03 am
i, don't trust guys who walk around with the top two buttons, unbuttoned, on their button downs.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 23, 2019, 10:50:04 am
i, don't trust guys who walk around with the top two buttons, unbuttoned, on their button downs.

How about if they do it sitting down?

(https://dcist.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/02/seth-hurwitz-768x355.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on August 23, 2019, 11:02:03 am
sloppy . . . as in sloppy, seconds . . . at the table.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 23, 2019, 02:32:33 pm
I don’t know that I agree with this....or not


https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/trump-obama-change-blake/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2019, 02:48:01 pm
interesting article....I've always said Trump's greatest accomplishment will be he got everyone talking about the government, how it runs, what the rules are and should they change. Conservatives, liberals and those in between... all of them are more vested and interested in what is going on than ever before.  Now I feel it's mostly about liberal tears on the one side, but they are still learning more about Civics since they were in elementary school.

I do think people didn't realize the gravity of that election and that sucks and the impacts will be long lasting (especially in the courts)  But I gotta imagine that voter turnout in 2020 will be tremendous.  I'm confident it will set records.  I think that will also have a great impact in all other seats of government in that election too.  I know hubris...gotta watch it


three years later the pain has led to something else: A "Trumplash," a ferocious backlash against the President that's boosted progressives and weakened conservatives in several ways.

He's pushed more progressives to get involved in politics.

His denigration of women inadvertently helped inspire a record number of women running for the House in the 2018 midterms.

His immigration policies ensure that Latinos, the nation's second-largest ethnic group, now lean decisively toward the Democratic party.
Trump also helped do something else that Obama couldn't. He revived the Obama Coalition, the group of young voters, women and racial minorities that first put Obama in office.

Trump has taken away one of the most effective weapons used by racists -- plausible deniability,
Kruse told me.
"Racist policies work better when they don't seem to be racist," Kruse said. "If you could give voters in the middle some plausible deniability that this isn't about race -- 'I don't believe in segregation, I believe in neighborhood schools; it's not voter suppression, it's voter integrity' -- If you put a more positive spin on it, it invites more people in who don't see this policy as racist.
"Once the veneer comes off, a lot of people in the middle will shy away," he added. "Trump has taken away the veneer."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 23, 2019, 02:58:51 pm
Just not convinced about Latino vote shifting...is there any evidence?

Remember many Latinos come from cultures that traditionally have strongmen as leaders, that Latinos here legally are probably the number one group adversely affected by illegal immigrants (taking their jobs), that Latinos benefit from the stronger economy and that Trump has done everything to get strong support from the critical Latino subgroup of Cuban Americans (Florida Florida Florida)

Logic tells us Latinos should hate Trump more than previous Republican leaders but what do the facts say

On the flip side I have to believe Trump has lost support among Puerto Ricans

Also even if we accept he loses some Latino support he may make it up by driving white and black support up with his anti Latino rhetoric and action
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2019, 03:02:49 pm
you forgot to add that Latinos tend to be more religious/anti-abortion...a republican centerpiece
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 23, 2019, 03:04:20 pm
Well I thought it!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2019, 03:14:22 pm
Cuban Americans (Florida Florida Florida)
I knew there were a lot and are influential...but just read As of the 2010 U.S. Census, there are 1.2 million people of cuban decent in Florida!

but to add to that
 estimated 1.2 million Puerto Ricans now live in Florida, a population that rivals the number of Cubans

I don't think that many from PR are going to vote for trump

also think of all those Felons too!

FL BLUE all the way!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 23, 2019, 03:58:23 pm
We heard the huge recent influx of Puerto Ricans would sway FL in D direction but it did not in 2018

Skeptical about FL


Anyways biggest news is RBG continuing to fight pancreatic cancer....another vacancy filled by Trump would be something

Why she did not retire early in Obama’s second term I will never understand
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 23, 2019, 04:00:46 pm
It should go without saying pancreatic cancer has a low five year survival rate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2019, 05:08:28 pm
Anyways biggest news is RBG continuing to fight pancreatic cancer....
saw a great quote from her

"There was a senator..after my pancreatic cancer, who announced w/great glee that I was going to be dead within 6 months," Ginsburg said. "That senator, whose name I have forgotten, is now himself dead, and I," she added with a smile, "am very much alive."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2019, 05:15:25 pm
Who?

Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)
this is some funny shit

@realDonaldTrump
The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 23, 2019, 05:17:36 pm
Who?

Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)
this is some funny shit

@realDonaldTrump
The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!
Yeah, that is pretty funny actually.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 23, 2019, 08:18:09 pm
Lol
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2019, 02:12:40 pm
another GOP rep retires....
GOP Rep. Sean Duffy resigning
although...trump won that district by 21 points...so not likely going to be a flip
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2019, 02:18:53 pm
another GOP rep retires....
GOP Rep. Sean Duffy resigning
although...trump won that district by 21 points...so not likely going to be a flip

Obama won that district by +8 in 2008, then lost by -3 in 2012. I wonder why the dramatic shift?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2019, 02:29:06 pm
another GOP rep retires....
GOP Rep. Sean Duffy resigning
although...trump won that district by 21 points...so not likely going to be a flip

Obama won that district by +8 in 2008, then lost by -3 in 2012. I wonder why the dramatic shift?
Interesting
my first thought is: 95.6% White
but really doesn't explain the change in two election cycles
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 26, 2019, 02:50:04 pm
are we not going to make note of Joe Walsh's candidacy?  i mean, it isn't going to go anywhere, but we should at least mention it...

Joe Walsh officially confirms 2020 Trump Primary Challenge (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/joe-walsh-trump-primary-2020)
The ex-congressman-turned-talk radio host announced on Sunday a long-shot gamble to wrestle the 2020 Republican nomination from Trump.

this headline says all we need to know about his candidacy: "Joe Walsh says he is challenging Trump 'to make the moral case against him' (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/politics/joe-walsh-donald-trump-2020-republican-primary-cnntv/index.html)".  newsflash: the GOP has no morals at the moment.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2019, 02:56:22 pm
are we not going to make note of Joe Walsh's candidacy?  i mean, it isn't going to go anywhere, but we should at least mention it...

Joe Walsh officially confirms 2020 Trump Primary Challenge (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/joe-walsh-trump-primary-2020)
The ex-congressman-turned-talk radio host announced on Sunday a long-shot gamble to wrestle the 2020 Republican nomination from Trump.

this headline says all we need to know about his candidacy: "Joe Walsh says he is challenging Trump 'to make the moral case against him' (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/politics/joe-walsh-donald-trump-2020-republican-primary-cnntv/index.html)".  newsflash: the GOP has no morals at the moment.

God, I hope he doesn't pick that arrogant dick Henley for his VP.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2019, 03:11:46 pm
are we not going to make note of Joe Walsh's candidacy? 
was mentioned appropriately here (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=22097.0)

I'm making executive orders, my base they can't wait
They create memes to tell me I'm great
So I got me an office with gold piping on the seat
I'll just watch some Fox 'news' or maybe I'll tweet


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2019, 09:29:22 am
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped out
   
Michael Bennet    
Steve Bullock                 
John Delaney          
Tim Ryan          
Joe Sestak
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 27, 2019, 09:34:47 am
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped out
   
Michael Bennet    
Steve Bullock                 
John Delaney          
Tim Ryan          
Joe Sestak
I'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2019, 09:42:07 am
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped out
   
Michael Bennet    
Steve Bullock                 
John Delaney          
Tim Ryan          
Joe Sestak
I'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
here's that list
Tom Steyer    
Tulsi Gabbard    
Marianne Williamson
Kirsten Gillibrand          
Bill de Blasio

Yang...what are you talking about
With merch like this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2693/5196/products/MMM_Tee_Front_1024x1024@2x.png?v=1566510217)

I kinda feel that people are still somewhat interested in those folks
but they could all go away* Wednesday and I wouldn't shed a tear

*from the primary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 27, 2019, 09:55:04 am
If I'm being charitable Yang and Gillibrand can stay in. Gillibrand really should be a better candidate but she's clearly pissed off the troglodyte cretin, Franken-loving garbage wing of the party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2019, 10:07:43 am
Gillibrand can stay in. ... Franken-loving wing of the party.
So that's only part of my gripe with her.
 It sucks that Franken did some sleazy things, and ultimately we had to take 'better than them' stance on this.  Bitter pill for me to swallow, but I think I'm on board with this now

but he really was one of the most articulate, passionate and true to the dem principals in congress that I can point to.  He took Paul Wellstone's seat and did it as a tribute to one of the most important Dems in our lifetime (that nobody remembers)
Most others can barely put together a sentence on stage, we do need more Dem leaders like him (without the sleaze)  who can really go head to head with the likes of Trump and his ilk.

Now this was 2007...but was definitely her position at the time
membership in the Blue Dog Coalition of conservative Democrats
legislation making English America’s official language and a slew of anti-immigrant things
The Human Rights Campaign, gave her the lowest rating of any NY Democrat in Congress for her positions on gay rights issues.
Her rating from the National Rifle Association, was a solid 100 percent. (TBT..she got an F from the NRA in 2009)

Her attacking Biden for stuff that happened in the 70s was bad form too

She is an important democrat and think she should still be a national player...but drop out of the primary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 27, 2019, 10:10:40 am
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped out
   
Michael Bennet    
Steve Bullock                 
John Delaney          
Tim Ryan          
Joe Sestak
I'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
here's that list
Tom Steyer    
Tulsi Gabbard    
Marianne Williamson
Kirsten Gillibrand          
Bill de Blasio

Yang...what are you talking about
With merch like this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2693/5196/products/MMM_Tee_Front_1024x1024@2x.png?v=1566510217)

I kinda feel that people are still somewhat interested in those folks
but they could all go away* Wednesday and I wouldn't shed a tear

*from the primary

I work with a guy named Yang who does math for a living. That shirt looks like a perfect Xmas gift if I was into giving Xmas gifts to my office mates.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 27, 2019, 10:27:32 am
Yeah, Yang sucks and is a one trick pony but at least he has a different viewpoint so I'm fine with him staying. It's kind of fun seeing how he can shoehorn his UBI pitch to every question like where he answered a climate question by saying with the $1000/ month you can move to high ground to survive
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 27, 2019, 10:32:01 am
Why would anyone drop out?


Stick it out hope you catch fire and parlay that into a cabinet position

That’s the play

It’s still really early...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 27, 2019, 10:47:52 am
Hutch:

Why would anyone drop out?


Stick it out hope you catch fire and parlay that into a cabinet position

That’s the play

It’s still really early...

Also Hutch:

His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 27, 2019, 11:10:15 am
Hutch:

Why would anyone drop out?


Stick it out hope you catch fire and parlay that into a cabinet position

That’s the play

It’s still really early...

Also Hutch:

His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact

So what?

Still try to catch lightning is the play...you just never know


But did Inslee have impact ...no

In his case dropping out makes sense like Hickenlooper cause he wants to run for re-election

If you can get other people to drop out first..Outlast  the others then maybe you can eventually command a premium for your endorsement


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on August 27, 2019, 11:13:36 am
Sleestak 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 27, 2019, 11:15:06 am
There is no contradiction between saying a candidate had no impact and saying a smart candidate (unless needing to run for re-election) would do well to hold out til Iowa

I mean what do you have to lose? Run a shoestring campaign, focus on Iowa and see what happens
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on August 27, 2019, 03:36:05 pm
Absolutely nothing to lose, fundraising money to gain (just don't take on any debt):

Michael Bennet - not up for re-election until 2022    
Steve Bullock - termed out, hard to go from executive office to being the junior seat in the Senate (as much as I want him to)                 
John Delaney  - doesn't currently have a job         
Joe Sestak - out of a job, best chance for people to not forget who he is

Tom Steyer - has nothing to do but burn money.  And he has a lot of it.   
Marianne Williamson - nothing to lose, name recognition will help sell her books.
Kirsten Gillibrand - not up for re-election until 2024.  Hmm, run now, then again in 2024?         
Bill de Blasio - termed out in 2021.  Nothing else to do?


These two however, it's a fair question:

Tim Ryan -  will drop out as soon as his House seat is in danger.  Right now it's safe.
Tulsi Gabbard - will drop out as soon as her House seat is in danger.  Right now it's safe.  Also wants to be Bernie's VP candidate.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 27, 2019, 03:38:05 pm
John Delaney  - doesn't currently have a job         
This is a little harsh. I mean, he's not the funniest guy but he moves some tickets when he's out on tour. Being friends with the syphilis-patient on SNL has helped raise his profile.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on August 27, 2019, 03:43:56 pm
Playing UMd, 10/30, $45
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2019, 03:47:15 pm
Playing UMd, 10/30, $45
man at all the debates he was bald???
(https://umterps.com/images/2019/8/23/HCS19_Digital__Xfinity_Ad.jpg?width=1440&quality=80&format=jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2019, 04:02:31 pm
Absolutely nothing to lose, fundraising money to gain (just don't take on any debt):
I guess them not being on the stage is good and am starting to agree with how they decided to winnow out the field

I just think that it's an absurd circus to have to listen to so many try to do stand out things to get some attention
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 27, 2019, 04:13:39 pm
Playing UMd, 10/30, $45

I think you can watch him on Netflix for free, in your own living room.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on August 27, 2019, 04:28:42 pm
With cargo shorts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2019, 05:14:36 pm
scariest headline or porn I'd never watch
New 2020 Poll Shows Three-Way Tie with Sanders, Warren and Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 27, 2019, 05:16:52 pm
scariest headline or porn I'd never watch
New 2020 Poll Shows Three-Way Tie with Sanders, Warren and Biden
No doubt, you meant to post this WoodRocket production in the Smackie thread.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 27, 2019, 06:27:26 pm
scariest headline or porn I'd never watch
New 2020 Poll Shows Three-Way Tie with Sanders, Warren and Biden

With cargo shorts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 28, 2019, 11:34:37 am
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 28, 2019, 02:23:49 pm
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.
totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
I do admire her push to get more people voting....but this seems like opportunity knocking LOUDLY
special election in 2020 for this seat

Didn't seem like there was a possibility of the Dems taking the senate 2020...but the likelihood is increasing
Now if we could just figure out a way to DitchMitch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 28, 2019, 04:02:25 pm
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.
totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
I do admire her push to get more people voting....but this seems like opportunity knocking LOUDLY
special election in 2020 for this seat

Didn't seem like there was a possibility of the Dems taking the senate 2020...but the likelihood is increasing
Now if we could just figure out a way to DitchMitch

Just generally bad news for the Dems that Abrams isn't running.  If she were on the ticket it would put both Senate seats and the electoral college votes in play because she would drag everyone else up. Without her, they better to find someone charismatic quick.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 28, 2019, 04:06:52 pm
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.
totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
I do admire her push to get more people voting....but this seems like opportunity knocking LOUDLY
special election in 2020 for this seat

Didn't seem like there was a possibility of the Dems taking the senate 2020...but the likelihood is increasing
Now if we could just figure out a way to DitchMitch

Just generally bad news for the Dems that Abrams isn't running.  If she were on the ticket it would put both Senate seats and the electoral college votes in play because she would drag everyone else up. Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.

I was going to randomly suggest a Georgia sports hero, like Herschel Walker. But turns out he's a Republican.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 28, 2019, 04:15:25 pm
draft jimmy carter?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 28, 2019, 05:35:29 pm
Gillibrand out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 28, 2019, 05:36:46 pm
Gillibrand out

I thought she was going to be much more formidable then she ended up being.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 28, 2019, 05:42:08 pm
Gillibrand out

I thought she was going to be much more formidable then she ended up being.

Apparently
the troglodyte cretin, Franken-loving garbage wing of the party
has more power than we thought

But I agree, thought she was a top 10 candidate for sure
just something very fake and awkward in her appearances and internal promotion stuff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 28, 2019, 05:45:25 pm
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 28, 2019, 05:56:33 pm
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
wow best idea ever for latest chapter in "what crazy thing can we get a bordie to do"

I'm in for $50
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 28, 2019, 05:59:15 pm
I don't know if you can blame her lack of momentum on the pro-Franken folks.  I kind of feel that's an online only phenomenon, though I could be wrong.  I have no thoughts or feelings about Gillebrand at all, before or after this primary, but I really can't recall a single thing she did as part of it.  At least duds like Delaney or Hickenlooper stood out, though for negative reasons.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 28, 2019, 06:02:31 pm
draft jimmy carter?

The only team he's improve is the Orioles.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 28, 2019, 11:35:18 pm
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.

Next time, can you please correct my obvious grammar mistakes when quoting me?  Ugh, that made me cringe.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 28, 2019, 11:37:42 pm
I don't know if you can blame her lack of momentum on the pro-Franken folks.  I kind of feel that's an online only phenomenon, though I could be wrong.  I have no thoughts or feelings about Gillebrand at all, before or after this primary, but I really can't recall a single thing she did as part of it.  At least duds like Delaney or Hickenlooper stood out, though for negative reasons.

I also don't think the Franken thing hurt her, if anything it is the only thing she did that gave her any identity.  I think the bigger issue is she tried to move from being center left to more progressive and the move didn't really work for anyone.

I think she probably would have done better as Klobuchar without the stories of staff abuse.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 29, 2019, 12:22:12 am
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
wow best idea ever for latest chapter in "what crazy thing can we get a bordie to do"

I'm in for $50
Shit, I’m a senate candidate now. Moving into the family compound in Blairsville.

Please send the fiddy to the #JulianForTheNow Campaign headquarters.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 29, 2019, 08:17:13 am
I also don't think the Franken thing hurt her, if anything it is the only thing she did that gave her any identity. 
noticing most stories about her only mention two things...franken and NRA A rating
definitely failed to make a narrative about her in the campaign

Just saw this...false flag...but kinda funny
A sad day for the Democrats, Kirsten Gillibrand has dropped out of the Presidential Primary. I’m glad they never found out that she was the one I was really afraid of!
welp at least they have this tweet to remember the campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 29, 2019, 08:18:42 am

Please send the fiddy to the #JulianForTheNow Campaign headquarters.
I'm talking to the marketing team and I'm lobbying for #JustintimeJulian as the slogan
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 29, 2019, 04:06:03 pm
it is interesting in the dem primary...except for mayor Pete...seems like the initial top picks have stayed the top picks
when the republicans had 16...many of them led polling and got big bumps (and press) along the way

there were times when Fiorina, Walker, Rubio, Carson, and Jeb were all leading in polling (is it me but neither Cruz, Kasich or Trump never led in the polls but they were the last three)

been pretty much the same leaders since it's started with the dems



Unrealted
from what I read...this headline sums it all up The new James Comey report proves whatever you want it to prove
the spin from both sides is like they are reading two different documents
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 29, 2019, 05:03:18 pm
The new James Comey report proves whatever you want it to prove
the spin from both sides is like they are reading two different documents

just like the mueller report...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 06, 2019, 08:47:25 am
Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz abandons 2020 presidential ambitions
not that he even had a chance...I don't really know anyone who liked him as a candidate


this was interesting, but not surprising
Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
"Republican parties in South Carolina, Nevada, Arizona and Kansas are expected to finalize the cancellations in meetings this weekend"

Is there any precedent to this?

This made me chuckle
Joe Walsh "Trump is afraid of a serious primary challenge because he knows his support is very soft.” super soft with over 90% approval in the party. Joe I don't think you know what that word means
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 06, 2019, 09:06:38 am
I might have to have a frappachino to celebrate his departure.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 06, 2019, 09:07:19 am
Oh, he had his fans

(https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1117845111671590914/pu/img/CucmL1HHCumwGMNs.jpg)

Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz abandons 2020 presidential ambitions
not that he even had a chance...I don't really know anyone who liked him as a candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 09, 2019, 02:08:39 pm
Valerie Plame is running in New Mexico for the house. ...and has a kick ass ad (https://youtu.be/ICW-dGD1M18)

oh and Mark Sanford didn't get the memo that the RNC pretty much isn't allowing people to primary Trump...but he's running

trump predictably tweeted "“But now take heart, he is back, and running for President of the United States. The Three Stooges, all badly failed candidates, will give it a go!”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 10, 2019, 01:07:24 pm
#julianforthenewjobsearch 
Nate's called him one of the BOCK candidates (Booker/O’Rourke/Castro/Klobuchar) and giving them a TKO on 2020

looking like last 5 standing will be
Warren, Harris, Buttigieg (still a little bit of a shocker), Biden and Sanders

Obviously February is a few months away...but not looking good for the other 15 major candidates still running
apparently there are over 250 people who filed with the FEC to run for president in the Democratic Party primary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2019, 01:12:35 pm
#julianforthenewjobsearch 
He was always FOR THE FUTURE. Why doesn't anyone pay attention when I tell you things?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2019, 01:35:42 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2019, 01:39:09 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?
I would definitely have doubt. We'd have to talk about who else dropped out too. Are we talking we wake up on 9/11/2019 and only Biden and Warren are left or everything is exactly the same except Bernie is out? Do I get to intuit who else drops out before Iowa/New Hampshire?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 10, 2019, 03:44:50 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?

is there any doubt that bernie would be the nominee if warren dropped out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2019, 03:47:18 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?

is there any doubt that bernie would be the nominee if warren dropped out?
I would definitely have more doubt than in Space's hypothetical scenario. Bernie is a total non-starter.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 10, 2019, 04:15:35 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?

I don't know.  I think Warren is more palatable to the establishment because Bernie's in the race.  Without him, I think she becomes way more of a threat and would have a lot more energy put up against her. 

Plus, while there's obvious reason to compare the two on policies, their base doesn't seem to have the overlap you'd think.

(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/08/PP_2019.08.16_2020-democratic-candidates_0-06-1.png?resize=1024,725)

From Pew: https://www.people-press.org/2019/08/16/most-democrats-are-excited-by-several-2020-candidates-not-just-their-top-choice/pp_2019-08-16_2020-democratic-candidates_0-06/

And it's two months old-ish at this point, but this had a good summary of the differences:

https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/07/12/sanders-warren-voters-2020-1408548

"In poll after poll, Sanders appeals to lower-income and less-educated people; Warren beats Sanders among those with postgraduate degrees. Sanders performs better with men, Warren with women. Younger people who vote less frequently are more often in Sanders’ camp; seniors who follow politics closely generally prefer Warren.

Sanders also has won over more African Americans than Warren: He earns a greater share of support from black voters than any candidate in the race except for Joe Biden, according to the latest Morning Consult surveys."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2019, 04:26:39 pm
I'm just totally grossed out at this thoughtful, sourced analysis instead of multiple paragraphs of completely unsolicited random ruminations presented as facts. Get bent, nkotb.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 10, 2019, 04:34:05 pm
I'm just totally grossed out at this thoughtful, sourced analysis instead of multiple paragraphs of completely unsolicited random ruminations presented as facts. Get bent, nkotb.

(https://i.imgflip.com/2ahdnu.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 10, 2019, 05:57:25 pm
Yawn
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 10, 2019, 05:59:30 pm
yikes
 ben Shapiro memes as a defense...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 10, 2019, 07:17:03 pm
@AriBerman
NOT A JOKE. This is how NC GOP responding to 357 page court order requiring them to remedy their illegal  gerrymander of state legislative districts
@AllisonJRiggs
So this just happened. The Senate Redistricting Committee just brought in freaking lottery officials to randomly draw a map to satisfy their duty to remedy constitutional violations in the map they drew in 2017. #notthelegalstandard #democracydiesinnc


This is not the actual gif...but this is similar to what they are using to pick districs
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ps8XflhsT5EVa/giphy.gif)

Honestly...not that bad of an idea
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 10, 2019, 08:30:27 pm
yikes
 ben Shapiro memes as a defense...

Shapiro is easily a top 5 hated figure in ky world. I am a pacifist but would love to punch his tiny face.  Gutted you thought that was sincere :(
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 11, 2019, 12:53:33 pm
Canada has a federal fixed election date and Canadians head to the polls every four years. This campaign will be a relatively short 40 days, or just over five weeks.

Could you imagine a 5 week campaign in the US
...there would be a whole industry of pundits looking for other work for the other 203 weeks of the cycle
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 11, 2019, 01:01:14 pm
And consultants and campaign staff and media (including TV stations in places like IA and NH)

Our system is an abomination
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 11, 2019, 03:07:24 pm
any bets on what he's going to do?

@samstein
Andrew Yang’s campaign manager just called to tell me that at tomorrow night’s debate, Yang will be doing "something no presidential candidate has ever done before in history.” He declined to go further than that.

I'm going with streaking...he's going to get naked and streak across the stage with Soy Bomb tattooed on his ass


already some good responses:
Reply to all questions with song and dance?
Long division live on stage? #math
Announcing he is dropping out
He's going to give a thousand dollars to every person in the crowd, like Oprah
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 11, 2019, 03:35:11 pm
Canada has a federal fixed election date and Canadians head to the polls every four years.

this statement is at best misleading, and at worse false.  canadian federal elections can happen on any date, and a term is in fact 5 years but the tradition is to call an election after 4 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_election_dates_in_Canada
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 11, 2019, 03:37:29 pm
Canada has a federal fixed election date and Canadians head to the polls every four years.

this statement is at best misleading, and at worse false.  canadian federal elections can happen on any date, and a term is in fact 5 years but the tradition is to call an election after 4 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_election_dates_in_Canada
I usually don't reveal my source...but, blame the BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49656611)
also I dropped the 'must' Canadians must head to the polls as it just sounded odd

so they call the election one year before they have to?

can you explain it with a gif or a meme (hopefully with a mountie in it?)

--let's be clear, my mockery of o Canedada is actually really psychological projection as a defense mechanism I subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions I have with how fucked up the US is and how Canada really has figured somethings out that we could learn from and if it wasn't so cold, I'd be happy living there
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 12, 2019, 01:22:58 pm
any bets on what he's going to do?

@samstein
Andrew Yang’s campaign manager just called to tell me that at tomorrow night’s debate, Yang will be doing "something no presidential candidate has ever done before in history.” He declined to go further than that.

I'm going with streaking...he's going to get naked and streak across the stage with Soy Bomb tattooed on his ass
Crickets...come on bordies...thought you'd come up with a funny one or two
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 12, 2019, 01:55:41 pm
any bets on what he's going to do?

@samstein
Andrew Yang’s campaign manager just called to tell me that at tomorrow night’s debate, Yang will be doing "something no presidential candidate has ever done before in history.” He declined to go further than that.

I'm going with streaking...he's going to get naked and streak across the stage with Soy Bomb tattooed on his ass
Crickets...come on bordies...thought you'd come up with a funny one or two

Given his Taiwanese background, that's probably not a good look for him.

https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 12, 2019, 02:12:24 pm
14.88>13.21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 12, 2019, 02:37:37 pm
14.88>13.21

65th out of 88 for the US. Imagine how much more poorly we'd be doing without African-Americans.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 13, 2019, 08:55:46 am
I’m going to call Booker the winner, in spite of his punt/flub of the veganism question. And Beto a strong second.

But stupid Democratic voters will still cling to the three old people.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 13, 2019, 09:06:04 am
Well to be fair stupid would be deciding your vote based on a debate (unless you are picking someone to represent you at a debate competition ).

These debates are pointless

Looking forward to getting my freedom dividend
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 13, 2019, 09:21:46 am
Looking forward to getting my freedom dividend
that was a little predictable coming from yang...but I'm sure it drove an insane amount of foot traffic to https://www.yang2020.com/
in the end though, probably a pretty useless database of people singing up, but I'm sure they'll try to hawk it to anyone who buys lists
if he doesn't get slapped with a FEC lawsuit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 13, 2019, 09:32:27 am
I'd add Castro to the mix as well.  I think he did a good job of standing out and giving people a reason to maybe look a bit deeper.  Not sure he has much beyond that, but he did rise above most of the rest.  I'm not a fan of Booker or Beto but they both had pretty good nights.  Good on Beto for talking about guns without flinching or tiptoeing around it.

Pretty cool to see a lot of headlines about Biden coming out on top!

I’m going to call Booker the winner, in spite of his punt/flub of the veganism question. And Beto a strong second.

But stupid Democratic voters will still cling to the three old people.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on September 13, 2019, 09:39:04 am
I didn't watch this garbage last night, but did Joe's dentures really fall out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 13, 2019, 09:41:34 am
https://theslot.jezebel.com/so-what-was-up-with-joe-bidens-teeth-1838084693

I didn't watch this garbage last night, but did Joe's dentures really fall out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 13, 2019, 09:47:53 am
I'd add Castro to the mix as well.  I think he did a good job of standing out and giving people a reason to maybe look a bit deeper.  Not sure he has much beyond that, but he did rise above most of the rest.  I'm not a fan of Booker or Beto but they both had pretty good nights.  Good on Beto for talking about guns without flinching or tiptoeing around it.

Pretty cool to see a lot of headlines about Biden coming out on top!

I’m going to call Booker the winner, in spite of his punt/flub of the veganism question. And Beto a strong second.

But stupid Democratic voters will still cling to the three old people.

I'd give Castro an honorable mention. On the one hand, his age related attacks on Biden seemed a little mean-spirited (and Joe didn't actually change his tune two minutes later, Castro had it wrong), but on the other hand I'd love to see him go balls deep on Trump like he did Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 13, 2019, 09:59:34 am
I thought his come back to Mayor Pete whining that everyone was arguing was good too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 18, 2019, 04:47:03 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EExfmbFXoAAu3PV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 19, 2019, 11:08:58 am
Update..
1. I got this image from the 930 twitter feed, most reliable source in the biz
2. It's not beto and not piss Fake Viral Photo Of Beto O’Rourke Wetting Himself Is Actually (Sandy) Alex G After Spilling Beer (https://www.stereogum.com/2058721/beto-o-rourke-sandy-alex-g-fake-viral-photo/news/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EExfmbFXoAAu3PV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 19, 2019, 02:24:48 pm
I don't think anyone in the world thought that was Beto.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 19, 2019, 03:19:19 pm
I don't think anyone in the world thought that was Beto.
well at least me and the person who handles the 930 twitter account did...so really no one of importance
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 19, 2019, 03:28:50 pm
Speaking of Beto . . . he is now officially running on the platform of legalization of pot, and expunging records relating to pot.

Wow.  Too bad, he doesn't have a chance of winning.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 19, 2019, 03:56:00 pm
Four-term Republican California Rep. Paul Cook is retiring
the 13th House GOP lawmaker so far to announce his or her retirement

Rats are getting off the sinking ship
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 19, 2019, 04:03:41 pm
More like the guys retiring are the more reasonable republicans and the ones staying are the rats...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 19, 2019, 04:15:26 pm
Speaking of Beto . . . he is now officially running on the platform of legalization of pot, and expunging records relating to pot.

Wow.  Too bad, he doesn't have a chance of winning.

It's nice that he's adopting Biden's platform, and really any of the Dems still in it.

Then, in July 2019, the former vice president released a wide-ranging criminal justice reform plan that calls for the decriminalization of marijuana and automatic expungements for those with previous cannabis possession convictions.

https://news.medicalmarijuanainc.com/2020-presidential-candidates-marijuana-legalization/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 19, 2019, 04:15:53 pm
Or, they see that sweet windfall of cash by selling a book with the title of like "Weathering the Storm: Life in the era of Trump" or some similar bullshit where they can pretend to be aghast by Trump while still supporting all of his evil agenda!

Four-term Republican California Rep. Paul Cook is retiring
the 13th House GOP lawmaker so far to announce his or her retirement

Rats are getting off the sinking ship
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 20, 2019, 09:10:11 am
Saw my first Warren bumper sticker here in Arlington

Two days ago saw a Trump one in Leesburg
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2019, 09:58:39 am
 Bill de Blasio announced Friday morning that he was dropping out of the race.
and then there were 19

Trumps response was chuckle worthy although could use some help on tense
@realDonaldTrump
Oh no, really big political news, perhaps the biggest story in years! Part time Mayor of New York City,  @BilldeBlasio
, who was polling at a solid ZERO but had tremendous room for growth, has shocking dropped out of the Presidential race. NYC is devastated, he’s coming home!


I wish we could get Vermin on the debate stage....
(https://rlv.zcache.com/vermin_supreme_for_president_button-r1b1c996e00a44cadb27171f6210aa5a4_k94rf_540.jpg?rlvnet=1)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2019, 10:29:17 am
@studentactivism
As summaries go, "Trump offered a foreign leader $250 million in aid in exchange for dirt on Joe Biden" is pretty simple and compelling.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 20, 2019, 01:46:02 pm
Here's a summary. His supporters don't care. Republican don't care. Democrats are too weak to do anything about it. Everybody thinks if they just vote it will change something. Nothing changes and nothing fucking matters, to people obsessedwith politics.

The, end.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 20, 2019, 02:17:08 pm
Well the thing is most people go about their jobs and raising family and they really don’t care about the minutiae of inside the beltway politics

By this point many Trump supporters are tuning all this stuff out while a few million liberals get giddy “This is what will take him down!”

I watched Trump’s presser with Australian PM and to me he looks comfortable and like he has grown into the job and in his own way he is very likable

I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2019, 02:24:38 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes
so depressing and possible
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 20, 2019, 03:02:31 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him.  not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 20, 2019, 03:20:46 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him.  not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.

There has to be some pictures of Trunp in blackface somewhere.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 20, 2019, 03:44:37 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him.  not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.

There has to be some pictures of Trunp in blackface somewhere.

That would only help him probably
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 20, 2019, 03:45:45 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him.  not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.

The bribe acceptance on tape might do it depending on source...

The rest no
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 20, 2019, 04:52:15 pm
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?

Dan Coats?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 24, 2019, 04:19:03 pm
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press conf

I'm Pea Smint?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 24, 2019, 04:25:08 pm
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press conf
I mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 24, 2019, 04:26:27 pm
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press conf
I mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
hows that going to impact Trumps nomination for the Noble Peace Prize?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2019, 04:47:33 pm
Now Trump says he will release unredacted transcript of call tomorrow


Tulsi Gabbard does not support impeachment

People assume democrats have votes in the house but what if they don’t even have that!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 24, 2019, 06:05:00 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFQoBI1VUAAt81v?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2019, 06:13:25 pm
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press conf
I mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
hows that going to impact Trumps nomination for the Noble Peace Prize?

He probably spells it just like you do.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2019, 06:16:51 pm
Now Trump says he will release unredacted transcript of call tomorrow


Tulsi Gabbard does not support impeachment

People assume democrats have votes in the house but what if they don’t even have that!

She's another Russian stooge.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2019, 06:21:47 pm
I know but she still gets a vote

This is high stakes

What if phone call transcript comes out and it’s completely innocuous?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2019, 06:31:48 pm
Name Biden better be on that transcript
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 24, 2019, 10:52:14 pm
watching Newsmax CEO Chris Ruddy on CNN tonight

Trump’s best advocate/defender...maybe only effective one

Made some good points between Lemmon interruptions

FOX News on the other hand is just sheer lunacy

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 12:41:13 am

time to play fear & fantasy:

What if phone call transcript comes out and it’s completely innocuous?

my fear: trump (or more likely someone around him) is playing 3D chess.  they knew the Dems would go ape-shit for a whistleblower story, so when they got a weak-sauce complaint that won't stick, they made a big dog-n-pony show of saying it exists but not releasing it, Dems bit hook line and sinker, and the grand finally: a weak-sauce complaint.  cue the sad trombones, Dems have egg on their face, trump cruises to a reelection on the platform of "see how insane and self-deluded those donkeys are."

my fantasy: there is a "there" there, but the complaint + transcription aren't quite enough to seal the deal.  Pence, in the sidelines, sees his big chance: he leaks some info/tapes/etc., trump is carted away, and he achieves his life-long dream of being president.  but wait, there's more!  pence's role as the leaker is discovered, he himself is impeached and removed, and Pelosi becomes acting prez for a short time until Nov 2020 when someone sane takes over the Oval Office.  cue the credits.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2019, 11:10:21 am
Well well well
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2019, 11:17:36 am
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?

Dan Coats?
Bolton has an axe to grind and apparently was furious over this withholding of funding
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 25, 2019, 11:18:06 am
Well well well

nei
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 25, 2019, 11:35:42 am
National Eye Institute!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 03:52:15 pm
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble about impeachment but I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaker of the house
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2019, 03:54:27 pm
I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the house
not following what you are trying to say here?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 03:55:47 pm
Rules are rules, folks

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 03:58:20 pm
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble about impeachment but I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the house

what is she speaking about, then?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 03:59:46 pm
Modifying my posts is a federal crime @FBI @CIA

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble about impeachment but I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the house

what is she speaking about, then?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2019, 04:01:09 pm
Rules are rules, folks

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177
ok..so it was your grammar/tense and you were quoting trump...
TRUMP: and Nancy Pelosi as far as I'm concerned, unfortunately, she's no longer Speaker of the House.

So why is trump saying unfortunately?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 04:01:56 pm
Rules are rules, folks

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177
ok..so it was your grammar/tense and you were quoting trump...
TRUMP: and Nancy Pelosi as far as I'm concerned, unfortunately, she's no longer Speaker of the House.

So why is trump saying unfortunately?

I think this is kind of like when you got punished as a kid and your parents would say "this hurts me more than it hurts you".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2019, 04:02:54 pm
did your parents say that a lot?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 04:04:55 pm
Yes, but I was also a shithead as a kid, so they were probably right
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2019, 04:15:41 pm
Yes, but I was also a shithead as a kid, so they were probably right
can you elaborate...inquiring minds want to know

(https://media.giphy.com/media/tOOsUaHsh8bw4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 04:34:43 pm
Ah, nothing super fun.  Like 90% of the bad stuff I did I never got caught for, and as a straight edge kid, it was probably worse than the kids that were drinking or doing drugs.  I just had a lousy attitude and made it known to my parents at any chance I could get.  Got my fair share of spankings and would purposefully smile or hum a song as it happened.  Total shithead moves. 

Glad that 1) my kids aren't nearly as shitty (yet), and 2) learned my lessons that spanking was bogus.

But I digress.  RIP Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 05:03:10 pm
Modifying my posts is a federal crime @FBI @CIA

you're a masochist?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 05:23:44 pm
if you look at the first page "transcript" that was released today, it states the US-UKR call was from 9:03 to 9:33 a.m.  there is no way it took 30 minutes to say what was written there.  zelensky speak english well (although from the transcript you can tell he's not a native speaker, but he speaks at a pretty normal pace).  trump is slow and plodding, but not that slow.

in the fine print they state it is not a verbatim transcript (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/09/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript-annotated/) but is content missing?  perhaps redacted?

in very related news, the "transcript" released today was from the second trump/zelensky call.  transcript of first will be released too, they say... after it's been redacted, also?

off to go find more tin foil...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on September 25, 2019, 05:32:27 pm
Here's an authoritative description:

https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587533322342400?s=19
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 05:45:06 pm
there is no way it took 30 minutes to say what was written there. 

mystery solved! (https://babylonbee.com/news/transcript-reveals-trump-ukrainian-president-argued-for-fifteen-minutes-about-who-would-hang-up-first)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 05:47:49 pm
Here's an authoritative description:

https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587533322342400?s=19 (https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587533322342400?s=19)

^ good read.

good comment: "In other words the transcript of the call in this case may be very similar to the Barr summary of the Mueller report."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 26, 2019, 12:46:41 pm
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?

Dan Coats?
Bolton has an axe to grind and apparently was furious over this withholding of funding
not thinking Coats with this comment he just made
"Nothing came to me. I left on Aug. 15.... The very next day that was presented to Joe. I feel so bad for Joe. He is caught in a squeeze here ...."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 26, 2019, 03:01:29 pm
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?

Dan Coats?
Bolton has an axe to grind and apparently was furious over this withholding of funding
not thinking Coats with this comment he just made
"Nothing came to me. I left on Aug. 15.... The very next day that was presented to Joe. I feel so bad for Joe. He is caught in a squeeze here ...."

Whistle-Blower Is a C.I.A. Officer Who Was Detailed to the White House
His complaint suggested he was an analyst by training with an understanding of Ukrainian politics. Little else is known about him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 26, 2019, 03:04:18 pm
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71393572_10215628435255941_1092441286973063168_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkVznCtJ4WjbmjYtyWDDbCjcdq9CR4YFWFlT-PnxZ0RSRA8pCjmxxz7O8Q8_YZbJUI&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=26b61911e1326510402d24db3d811e55&oe=5E32289D)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 26, 2019, 04:47:05 pm
Nice, don't think I'd live to see a presidential candidate wearing a DK shirt!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFW7Yw4XsAE68m4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

(although it was a yang Halloween costume ;( )
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 26, 2019, 04:49:05 pm
Beto is probably so pissed! His culture isn't a costume!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 26, 2019, 05:13:33 pm
Beto is probably so pissed! His culture isn't a costume!!!
someone beat you to it
https://thehardtimes.net/culture/beto-frantically-scouring-old-punk-lyrics-that-support-his-position-on-private-insurance/

I was hoping maybe I could come out with some, like, ‘Dead Kennedys Health Care’ or something like that to really make myself stand out,

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 26, 2019, 05:27:21 pm
was not aware of this:

<QUOTE>
In other words, Maguire's feeling that this was not urgent (which does not pass the smell test) and that he needed to make sure it was not protected by executive privilege (which would be a convenient excuse to let Trump conceal this from the public) is what prevented him from giving it to Congress within seven days. But once that transcript Trump released yesterday was out, the transcript that he thought was going to exonerate him of any wrongdoing—"It was a perfect call," he kept saying—executive privilege no longer applied to the substance of the whistle-blower complaint. Which is the reason we can now read the whistle-blower complaint.

The release of that transcript immediately put a stop to the White House being able to dither about whether they were going to be able to prevent the release of the complaint based on the assertion of executive privilege. Amazing.

It's like when a serial killer who's gotten away with crime after crime makes one wrong step and everything comes crashing down. Trump's impulsive move to try to get ahead of the news cycle yesterday—to try to retake control of the story by releasing a transcript he thought made him look good—is the very reason this just blew up in his face. Once he did that, the DNI could release the whistle-blower complaint without worrying about executive privilege, and once members of Congress started reading the whistle-blower complaint, the number of House members willing to impeach him crossed the 218-vote threshold for impeachment.
</QUOTE>

in other words, Trump leaked on himself?!? (i thought he paid others for that...)

source: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/09/26/41506767/white-house-essentially-tried-to-cover-up-their-cover-up-by-stalling-release-of-the-whistle-blower-complaint (https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/09/26/41506767/white-house-essentially-tried-to-cover-up-their-cover-up-by-stalling-release-of-the-whistle-blower-complaint)
(emphasis mine)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on September 26, 2019, 06:48:14 pm
Whistle-Blower Is a C.I.A. Officer Who Was Detailed to the White House
His complaint suggested he was an analyst by training with an understanding of Ukrainian politics. Little else is known about him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html

No comment other than to say.....who's going to be Trump's Scooter Libby?

Also, this:

https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1177383602792927232
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 27, 2019, 02:06:27 am
Also, this:

https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1177383602792927232

so this made me smile for a moment.  isn't going to change my life but it provided 2 minutes of levity.

but gawddam, have you seen the vitriolic comments that ensued?!?  you'd swear the NYT just gave cancer to every child in the nation.  NY needs to legalize recreational weed STAT, apparently...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 27, 2019, 08:52:36 am
I thought it was pretty dumb, but at least it wasn't a Harry Potter or Game of Thrones reference, so I'll call it a draw.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on September 27, 2019, 11:47:01 am

but gawddam, have you seen the vitriolic comments that ensued?!?  you'd swear the NYT just gave cancer to every child in the nation.  NY needs to legalize recreational weed STAT, apparently...

First rule of the internet.  Never read the comments.

It was also shared to me through someone else's reshare, and those comments were much more palatable.  But I always try to share from the source....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 27, 2019, 03:20:35 pm
can someone explain this to me: some folks, majority of which are on the right, are claiming that this whole trump/zelensky fiasco will end biden's nomination bid (along with damaging and/or impeaching trump).

why?  how?  are they thinking that as part of the investigation into trump, biden's alleged dirty dealings in ukraine will also be discovered?  that just being the subject of trump's request for a favor will sink him?  other?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 27, 2019, 03:45:43 pm
I don’t think we can predict how any of it plays out but yeah the idea is Biden is involved in dirty biz that will come out


Giuliani seemed giddy about how much info he has...then again he also claimed he will be the hero
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on September 27, 2019, 03:48:27 pm
It has the potential to undercut his man of the people narrative when his son is being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board when he potentially may lack the credentials.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 27, 2019, 03:55:01 pm
It has the potential to undercut his man of the people narrative when his son is being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board when he potentially may lack the credentials.

this sounds mostly like conservative wishful thinking to me.

forget sins of the father... sins of the son?!?  somehow joe is responsible for hunter's decisions?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 27, 2019, 04:00:03 pm
It has the potential to undercut his man of the people narrative when his son is being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board when he potentially may lack the credentials.

this sounds mostly like conservative wishful thinking to me.

forget sins of the father... sins of the son?!?  somehow joe is responsible for hunter's decisions?

LOL I'm not sure Hunter just "decided" to get a super high paying job he's not qualified for :)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 27, 2019, 04:03:38 pm
It has the potential to undercut his man of the people narrative when his son is being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board when he potentially may lack the credentials.

this sounds mostly like conservative wishful thinking to me.

forget sins of the father... sins of the son?!?  somehow joe is responsible for hunter's decisions?

The argument is Joe pressures a Ukrainian prosecutor not to investigate company who’s board Hunter sits on


I understand it’s debunked but that’s the argument
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on September 27, 2019, 04:20:53 pm
this sounds mostly like conservative wishful thinking to me.

LOL I'm not sure Hunter just "decided" to get a super high paying job he's not qualified for :)

There's never an egg timer around when you need one....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2019, 04:26:36 pm
what strikes me as disingenuous from the GOP crew is this job description: being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board
Is probably something that they, members of their own family and friends already have and would gladly continue getting

I think Giuliani is going to actually suffer the most damage in all of this
He'll probably get pardoned...or trump will put a hit on him and make it look like the clinton's did it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 27, 2019, 04:34:28 pm
Yeah, 100%.  If there's any corruption here, its something literally everyone in Washington has or is doing!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2019, 04:46:36 pm
^you forgot to add...but not bernie!

oh and Tulsi finally joins the dems on the peachy stuff


Lastly ....I like this line of reasoning

@JillFilipovic
Impeachment opponents are filtering this entirely through the lens of Clinton. But surely voters care about WHY a president is impeached. “He lied about a blowjob” is profoundly silly. “He tried to undermine free and fair elections and compromised our national security” is not.

This is good too...Godfather reading of the phone call

@LarryNoble_DC
For those who want a visual abridged summary, here's The Godfather All dialogue is from the memo.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1176980507667652608
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on September 27, 2019, 05:20:32 pm
He'll probably get pardoned...or trump will put a hit on him and make it look like the clinton's did it

I see you found the Liddle apostrophe.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 27, 2019, 05:41:04 pm
I mean, Bernie wouldn't even endorse his own son during his run for office...but i digress :)

This is one of those "not remotely a talking point" things that will absolutely work conservatives into a fervor.  Already seeing it on my sister-in-laws Facebook posts.

^you forgot to add...but not bernie
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 30, 2019, 01:03:59 pm
do we really feel that Biden is going to be unblemished by this Ukraine stuff...and I'm no way implying he did anything wrong
Just seems like even a bigger effort will be afoot to show that Biden did similar stuff with his power as VP
and honestly, if you have that kind of power, it is probably going to be easy to show other examples that look 'shady'


Edit...just saw this..confirming my theory
@NateSilver538
One reason I'd be concerned if I were Biden is that Trump & GOP allies have such terrible arguments in defense of his Ukraine conduct that his least-worst strategy might be to gin up a whole bunch of crazy Biden scandals.


Not that Trump doesn't have a long list already, but been shown not to matter to his base (but lost cause anyway)
I am thinking this time around that the independent voter will now have a record of Trump's actions in government to vote on, where before it was "let's give this outsider a chance"
He's swamp monster #1 and really can't hide that

I do think this unemployment/great economy is somewhat of a ruse to the middle/lower middle class.  As most haven't seen a payraise in a decade and are probably working two jobs with their health care costs doubling in the last decade too
So regardless of the 'great economy' news...most Americans are not having a great one in their home
but we can't use facts is the problem, it's all about emotion


Also, love for Obama is really getting weak...kinda shocking IMO

Warren is going to get the Nom
not really sure on the running mate, but definitely not Biden or Sanders
and she beats trump by a hair...is my 9/30/19 proclamation
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 30, 2019, 01:13:09 pm
Amy going with the body count tatic
Amy Klobuchar Reveals She Once Killed A Duck While Playing Golf (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/amy-klobuchar-killed-duck-playing-golf_n_5d912da0e4b0019647aa753b?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL3ZGclE3SkFmS24_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ7vFB_VaatRm8l_DL3pdY-k99_rdPbxu8S9yOaT2wrd827nm-5Hx0YO82YWDMTGUbNbD7RZIiD7VHQ5kPmpnGIAVn98CRiOy76K_HSly2nboV0FEETTSWMsJIUycdT-eN7slaOMx5RGNBIxbrl5kQ84AUI4OjHYJ5Io8C3WAB2A)


and the count is increasing..
Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) announced Monday that he will not seek re-election in 2020, becoming 19th Republican overall  to retire from the House this term.

19 is a lot for a job that has like a 90% incumbency rate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2019, 02:04:22 pm
The minute they think Warren is going to be opponent they will do same to her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 30, 2019, 02:16:09 pm
The minute they think Warren is going to be opponent they will do same to her

Do what? Kill her with a golf ball? INF.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 30, 2019, 02:24:14 pm
The minute they think Warren is going to be opponent they will do same to her
I do think Space's golf ball threat is a possibility
of course they will
it's to her advantage to have Biden as the Tête de la course so he takes all the attacks for the longest amount of time

I just don't think she has 40+ years of baggage to pick apart
other than she's a democratic socialist (even though she says she's a capitalist)  and don't think that's going to warm the independents up to her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2019, 02:29:12 pm
You don’t think he is going to tear her apart on the Native American Indian stuff??

The point is they will make up stuff anyway

Remember Kerry and the swiftboat stuff???

I actually think Trump May be helping Joe by making it clear he sees him as his opponent

It’s up to democrats to wuss out


But who knows what will happen tomorrow much less the next day
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 30, 2019, 02:47:53 pm
If you *had* to pick one, who do you guys think would have a better chance of defeating Trump, Sanders or Warren?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 30, 2019, 02:48:35 pm
Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) is resigning due to a insider trading case that he's expected to plead guilty on....the first congressman to endorse President Trump in 2016

So did we just get to 20!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2019, 03:01:30 pm
like almost all the candidates...just not Sanders...


it’s pretty hard (and pointless) to predict these things


Did anyone predict this Ukraine thing? 








Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 30, 2019, 03:03:30 pm
Its hurting me to say it, but I agree with hutch.  I think Biden is super weak on his voting record (Iraq War, NAFTA, criminal justice stuff) and his mental facilities...Trump will crush him on those, which is comical for obvious reasons.  And I think he'll totally goad Warren with the Pocahontas stuff, which is a super self-inflicted wound...I don't see her being a good adversary to him on a debate stage.  And I say that as somebody that really likes Warren a lot (despite her best efforts).  The worst Trump can hit Bernie with is "socialism", which they say about anyone that's a democrat no matter how Republican-lite their policies are (and for which he has a pretty good answer for).  I mean, even his nickname ("crazy") is weak.

In the long run, double-agree with hutch...one way or the other, they'll make shit up.  You just have to hope the candidate is the one with the best answers.  RIght now, I'm not confident most of them do.

You don’t think he is going to tear her apart on the Native American Indian stuff??

The point is they will make up stuff anyway

Remember Kerry and the swiftboat stuff???

I actually think Trump May be helping Joe by making it clear he sees him as his opponent

It’s up to democrats to wuss out


But who knows what will happen tomorrow much less the next day
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2019, 03:44:30 pm
Sanders is done...he has become the democrat’s Ron Paul...has a hard core base that gives him money and considers him God but that’s about it...can’t grow it...in fact Warren ate him alive this quarter and took away all his non hard core support

Maybe to be fair Sanders did move party to left but at what cost? Still remains to be tabulated...talk to me November 2020



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 30, 2019, 04:24:09 pm
Are you coming onto me?

Sanders is done...he has become the democrat’s Ron Paul...has a hard core base that gives him money and considers him God but that’s about it...can’t grow it...in fact Warren ate him alive this quarter and took away all his non hard core support

Maybe to be fair Sanders did move party to left but at what cost? Still remains to be tabulated...talk to me November 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2019, 04:43:13 pm
Why yes...yes I am...is it working?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 30, 2019, 06:54:13 pm
Liz Warren wants y'all to know she loves corporate beer.


Elizabeth Warren
September 21 at 6:45 PM ·
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Sign up now to enter and, if you win, we’ll fly you and a friend out to grab a drink with me. Personally, I prefer Michelob Ultra — the club soda of beers — but tea or a soda or whatever you want to drink works too. Good luck!
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2019, 06:58:10 pm
That’s like saying she doesn’t like beer so what’s the point?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on September 30, 2019, 09:04:42 pm
What in the fuck

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1178821592421404678?s=19
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2019, 09:14:40 pm
Interesting that if you look at Drudge Report Trump seems to have lost them....all extremely negative headlines about Trump

If Trump ever were to lose Fox News he would be toast
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 30, 2019, 10:45:20 pm
if you look at Drudge Report
wow, I hadn't looked at that site in a while
while it's never changed, it's kinda weird to get news like that in 2019
It just has a 'I just got Microsoft FrontPage 98, want me to make a website for you' vibe

random selection of headlines (could also be great band names)
Boy killed during exorcism...
AMAZON dystopian plan to be anywhere and everywhere...
Weight loss, dance and De Niro...
Global opera legend Jessye Norman dies...
What lawmakers said then, what they say now...
President Pelosi?
KANYE OF NAZARETH!

Trump has been talking shit about Fox this year, his baby is OAN (I bet we'll find a Russian connection there)

You know what would change everything....if Twitter de-platforms him
All the news reports on is his twiter feed, you don't even have to have twitter and every news outlet right/left will drop a few of them in their story.

It really would just take a flip of a switch at twitter
(Other than the investors in twitter who could stand to lose a lot of money, )what could Trump actualy do?
Would he have barney fife breaking down the server room door to say "turn my account back on"
It's a private company and it can not provide an account to anyone it seems fit

now he would just use his POTUS account, but I do think it might actually give him an anurisum and then we wouldn't have to go thru impeachment

What in the fuck  https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1178821592421404678?s=19
artistically very cool
even interesting how they took what would seem embarrassing moments and made them look quaint
It looks like Fan based free 'art' but he's pinned it and sure likes it
I bet you this will be a part of a future digital or TV campaign Team trump does
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2019, 12:06:15 am
That video needs to be set to Take on me!


the way things are developing with Trump is kind of stunning.... the shit show is no longer drip drip drip...more like a flood

American people can’t be overestimated though....and FOX continues to operate like media under orders from a dictator
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 01, 2019, 01:29:43 am
That video needs to be set to Take on me!

already done, it was like the fourth reply: https://twitter.com/JoeySalads/status/1178831657543053312
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2019, 09:15:29 am
You know what would change everything....if Twitter de-platforms him
Well I would have never thought that Kamala reads the 930 Forum..but right after I posted this she started this

@KamalaHarris
Hey, @jack . Time to do something about this.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2019, 02:12:25 pm
yikes...
Perry said, “Oh I think it’s because I’m just such a darned good cabinet member, and very capable, and probably pretty knowledgeable about the energy industry.”
Rick Perry is said to have replaced Vice President Mike Pence on a May trip to the inauguration of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.


probably pretty knowledgeable about the energy industry!!!  isn't that literally his job!...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2019, 03:16:10 pm
pence's aide was on the call too!
was I the only person not on this call


Nickleback is getting pulled into this too!
Twitter said it had removed an edited Nickelback music video President Trump tweeted yesterday after a copyright claim.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2019, 11:23:22 am
do we really feel that Biden is going to be unblemished by this Ukraine stuff...and I'm no way implying he did anything wrong
Just seems like even a bigger effort will be afoot to show that Biden did similar stuff with his power as VP
and honestly, if you have that kind of power, it is probably going to be easy to show other examples that look 'shady'
Welp trump has China looking into Hunter there too
Trump is going to quadruple down with saying 'look at biden' when any question is asked (or how Shift should be tarred and feathered for his crimes against humanity)
Seems like nothing was illegal about any of this stuff...but question is...Just because it wasn't illegal, doesn't mean it wasn't swampy
how will the woke voters perceive this (even though the GOP voters don't care if their guys do it)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2019, 11:34:02 am
You having a conversation with yourself?!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2019, 11:44:12 am
You having a conversation with yourself?!?
better than an argument
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2019, 12:02:07 pm

Just generally bad news for the Dems that Abrams isn't running.  If she were on the ticket it would put both Senate seats and the electoral college votes in play because she would drag everyone else up. Without her, they better to find someone charismatic quick.

so does this count as charismatic..
Matt Lieberman, the son of former Connecticut senator and vice presidential candidate Joe Lieberman, is running for Senate in Georgia.

Yeah I think a jew from Connecticut will go over well in Georgia

Edit..almost 15 years living there is good tho has lived in Georgia since 2005.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 03, 2019, 01:27:20 pm
if i start taking LSD every day, will this reality start to seem normal again?

https://twitter.com/EllenLWeintraub/status/1179783410820292608
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2019, 02:24:42 pm
https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1179806538497695744

Garry Kasparov
@Kasparov63

Trump is relying on "20 treasons are better than 1". If you can no longer deny a crime, boast about it, try to normalize it. That's why the law must be the law, not politics.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2019, 02:40:17 pm
He needs to be impeached really quickly
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2019, 02:46:42 pm
so Mitch can DOA it as soon as it comes his way?
I just don't know what the best strategy is, but I don't think getting out of the house and to the senate will make good headlines when Trump will be like "look the Congress just acquitted me, told you it was a Dem witch hunt"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2019, 04:26:40 pm
But what is there to investigate? He is violating the law daily and in public


Impeach quick or he will muddy up the waters and turn it into even more of a circus

Let the Senate do what it will and at least put Republicans on the record

Mitch said he would bring it up for a vote
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2019, 04:37:28 pm
Is it possible that they will take Pence up on impeachment too...as his hands are right in the middle of all this
Can we say President Pelosi?

and you trust mitch to keep to his word

would be funny to see these showing up on stubhub
(https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/7da28653-0b8f-4b55-be6a-485753f350a2.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2019, 05:36:08 pm
Look...just what he said today warrants impeachment


A long investigation is not in the interest of anti-Trump forces and seems unnecessary given his public pronouncements

Mitch May or May not let Senate vote...doesn’t change anything

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2019, 06:50:13 pm
I mean we cannot spend months trying to convince Mitch and however many Republicans we need of what is before our eyes

Do it and move on


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 03, 2019, 08:04:36 pm
so Mitch can DOA it as soon as it comes his way?

based on what i've read, the senate must hold a trial.  so it's not DOA, but could be killed via procedure.  there are no rules regarding how the trial should take place, the senate gets to make them up as they please.  mitch could easily draw up a set of rules that turn the trial into a circus - rules of evidence that make it impossible for the prosecution to make its case, a timetable that takes the trial beyond november 2020, etc.  mitch promised a trial, but didn't specify what sort of a trial.  i certainly expect shenanigans from him. 

I just don't know what the best strategy is, but I don't think getting out of the house and to the senate will make good headlines when Trump will be like "look the Congress just acquitted me, told you it was a Dem witch hunt"

by the same token, dems will be able to say "trump is clearly a criminal, we have shown your the proof in our investigation, but his sycophantic supporters in the Senate are letting him get away with it - remove them all now!"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2019, 10:32:34 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGAokPNUYAAS5VZ?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on October 04, 2019, 11:46:27 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGAokPNUYAAS5VZ?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Yes. This is the reality. SAD!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2019, 05:15:56 pm
we should probably start an impeachy thread...
so other than we don't like to do what you demand we do....what would the argument against having a full House vote formally approving an impeachment inquiry.
seems it will definitely get enough votes, just seems like a distraction tactic from team trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 10, 2019, 11:04:16 am
I guess she thinks she's relevant and people will care

Tulsi Gabbard@TulsiGabbard

I am seriously considering boycotting October 15 debate to bring attention to DNC/corporate media’s effort to rig 2020 primary.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 10, 2019, 11:52:45 am
I guess she thinks she's relevant and people will care

Tulsi Gabbard@TulsiGabbard

I am seriously considering boycotting October 15 debate to bring attention to DNC/corporate media’s effort to rig 2020 primary.


Maybe her candidacy isn't but maybe what she's saying is.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 10, 2019, 12:41:26 pm
I do think the DNC's definition of a valid poll was somewhat dubious, but it's like they didn't make the rules for qualifying clear upfront.  Tulsi is a (admittedly hot) joke.  The only good thing she's done was hit Kamala's record...not sure she'll be missed.

I guess she thinks she's relevant and people will care

Tulsi Gabbard@TulsiGabbard

I am seriously considering boycotting October 15 debate to bring attention to DNC/corporate media’s effort to rig 2020 primary.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 10, 2019, 12:51:46 pm
So this is the first I've heard about the AVR (automatic voter registration) push...but hell yeah, I think this is a great idea
in these states 2.2 million people have been registered since this started (2015 is first one)
and about 6 million registered voters got automatically updated (i.e. they moved or something so their registration might have not been valid)

this is amazing and I fully support...and I expect the GOP to come up with some memes how the founders were against this and by enacting AVR you'd be doing the exact thing Hitler did before gassing the jews

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happened-when-2-2-million-people-were-automatically-registered-to-vote/
16 states plus the District of Columbia have enacted some version of AVR.
This year alone, AVR bills have been introduced in 39 states.


The last line is key though
both sides of the debate agree that AVR is not a cure-all for the problem of low turnout. As our data shows, many people who were automatically registered still did not vote in the 2018 election. Organizations like campaigns still have to finish the job.
But if they are correctly registered, it's much easier for campaigns to reach them and get data on that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 11, 2019, 12:46:10 pm
More felons voting in VA! 
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam says he has restored voting and other civil rights to more than 22,000 felons who have completed their sentences since taking office last year."

What's good news is that Trump's aides and staff will be able to vote in future elections


This is a cool gif...as team trump keeps posting that this was the last election map
(https://media.giphy.com/media/RJtURneNvadMoRiPWj/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 11, 2019, 02:06:08 pm
The mostly-red electorate map is the favorite Facebook post from shitheads I went to high school with for like 12 years running
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 15, 2019, 01:29:31 pm
I do like this strategy too
all these GOP twats are making suck a stink about Hunter...when ALL of them have boatloads of family doing the exact same thing

@KevinMKruse
Just today, I have seen Donald Trump's son, Ron Paul's son and Mitt Romney's niece speak out forcefully about how bad it is to use family connections to advance your career.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2019, 01:39:01 pm
Hunter’s statement was idiotic down to using Trump’s “swamp” term...


Joe Biden is just one more person Trump successfully bullied
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 16, 2019, 11:23:53 am
NKOTB...So are you exited or meh about the BernSquad endorsement (or BurnSquad ;) )
I don't think it really helps him at all, but finally he can say he has support from within the democratic party...is that a first?
I was kinda thinking that AOC would endorse Warren (she may still get the chance to)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on October 16, 2019, 11:42:22 am
I just love this whole . . . well that's different and nothing to see here, when it comes to Ivanka.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 16, 2019, 12:07:23 pm
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

First let me say that AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley are, IMO, what the Democratic party needs to be if it wants to be relevant going forward.  They're outspoken women of color uncompromising in their views, have a moral compass that guides their beliefs (not some means tested bullshit) and are willing to call out enemies both external to the party and within.  I'd say that even if they hadn't endorsed Bernie and have donated to all of them in the past.  They rock.

So it goes to say that it jazzed me up, and not just because he's my BFF.  To me, it furthers cements that Bernie's policies are the future, even if he's old as shit.  Just listen to Omar's endorsement video about Bernie's 2016 run as one of the reasons she was inspired to also run, and then compare that to the Republican-lite rhetoric coming out of a young guy like Mayor Pete.  Who's more inspiring or more in touch with the working class in this country?

And it should give everyone beating their chest about Bernie Bros a reality check (even though we know it's made up anyway).  I mean, of course it won't...pretty weird, if you ask me, that after all of the bleating about his support being all white and all male, CNN questioned whether these endorsements are now too urban! But it's provide a nice little peek behind the curtain at the real motives behind that kind of lie, IMO.

But maybe even more so, it's made a really fun day on Twitter so far watching the usual turds meltdown as they struggled to either comprehend how someone they love (AOC) endorsed someone they hate, or downplay the notion of endorsements being important.

In my opinion, I think this a) further psychs up his supporters, b) dispel some of the myths and media bias for folks leaning toward him but being on the fence and c) not changing the mind of someone that already hates him EVEN if they love the Squad.  All around positive if you ask me.

Oh and don't forget, he does have some party endorsements already.  I'm sure Hutch would downplay it, but Ro Khanna and Patrick Leahy have endorsed him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 16, 2019, 12:43:34 pm
Are you the guy Omar is cheating on her husband and kids with?

It's really going to be a sad day for you when Bernie dies of old age in about two years.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2019, 01:24:26 pm
I heard my name?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 16, 2019, 01:25:01 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2019, 01:32:04 pm
I think it adds very little to Bernie but it helps AOC position herself to inherit the Bernie bloc support once he indubitably loses

But it probably does help stem the bleeding to the Bernie campaign and gets him a good headline so in that sense it’s helpful
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 16, 2019, 01:44:16 pm
Ro Khanna and Patrick Leahy have endorsed him.
Ok yes, the other senator from his state.  Leahy has been in congress for almost as long as I've been alive (and I'm old as dirt), but a legit endorsement, I think I already knew about
Ro, had never heard of him before, but makes a good squad member at first glance
Still pretty weak dem party support in general and IMO is going to be a big liability for his campaign
So I do think it's less the media is trying to cancel him, the DNC definitely is

until now, the high profile of the Squad is good and I agree they are the next generation of the Democratic party with out a doubt
I do think he has to appeal to item C in your list, in the end, as that is his kind of voter.  Unfortunately, it's less about policy and substance when it comes to a lot of voters


I agree with your assessment of Mayor Pete, but we need people like that in the Dem party...just not for the top job
He's going to be a player for years to come and this is just good marketing for a long career as a democrat on the national stage
He should probably go for Governor
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on October 16, 2019, 02:24:55 pm
once in awhile, without looking it up, i understand the basis for the name changes that you do. this is one of those times Mr. Vara. What a fucked up world.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 16, 2019, 03:04:10 pm
once in awhile, without looking it up, i understand the basis for the name changes that you do. this is one of those times Mr. Vara. What a fucked up world.
"don't play checkers in a chess world"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 16, 2019, 03:24:28 pm
Some fun facts about Pete Sessions...ya know the one that Rudy's Fraud Guarantee Goon Squad was funneling money to get him to get Yovanovitch fired

Peter Sessions (R) served in the U.S. House of Representatives for 11 terms in TX 32nd District
He was defeated for re-election by Democrat Colin Allred in 2018 #bluewave

How's this for some bad timing
10/3/19, Sessions announced that he is running for Texas's 17th district in the 2020 election (note not same one that he served 11 terms)
10/9/19 Les and Igor arrested at Dulles and details of their financial ties come to the national spotlight

I'm really surprised that the Sessions hasn't announced he is no longer running yet...any takers on when that will happen


This by far is the best fun fact

In March 2016, Sessions introduced a House resolution to "recognize magic as a rare and valuable art form and national treasure."


This guy really needs some Magic now!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 18, 2019, 10:49:33 am
so can some of you get some snarky #AskAndrew questions in today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG99pKmXkAUCdSb?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 18, 2019, 05:17:37 pm
wow...in all the insane news this week  Tulsi went full on bonkers and forgot what team she was on

Tulsi Gabbard @TulsiGabbard
Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton
. You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...
... concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and ...
... powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose.
It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 18, 2019, 05:32:17 pm
Even with that, she couldn't get any press...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 18, 2019, 07:33:48 pm
I am no Tusli fan, but HRC's comments about her are INSANE. It's basically Qanon for liberals.

EDIT: I'll be charitable and say "HRC's comments that seemed to be directed at Tusli". I guess she could've meant Marianne...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 18, 2019, 08:19:24 pm
I am no Tusli fan, but HRC's comments about her are INSANE. It's basically Qanon for liberals
Not going to argue that

But Tg kind of made a fool of herself before, during and now after the debate
Her true colors are shining through

It was always appealing that she was a hot Hindi surfer from HI, who served a tour ....but the more she spoke the less I liked her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 18, 2019, 09:00:19 pm
It was a bright spot to me how she went after Kamala on her awful record but otherwise Tulsi's bad news. And its pretty fitting that she immediately ran to Tucker to air her grievances lol.

But shouldn't everyone be furious at Clinton for sowing discord among Dems and giving Trump ammo for the general? What about party unity? What about Vote Blue No Matter Who?  ;D

I am no Tusli fan, but HRC's comments about her are INSANE. It's basically Qanon for liberals
But Tg kind of made a fool of herself before, during and now after the debate
Her true colors are shining through
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 19, 2019, 10:01:43 am
But shouldn't everyone be furious at Clinton for sowing discord among Dems and giving Trump ammo for the general? What about party unity? What about Vote Blue No Matter Who?  ;D
Not sure if serious, but this might be a real concern if Tulsi was polling at anything higher than 1%. It’s a vanity campaign.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 19, 2019, 09:12:17 pm
But shouldn't everyone be furious at Clinton for sowing discord among Dems and giving Trump ammo for the general? What about party unity? What about Vote Blue No Matter Who?  ;D
Not sure if serious, but this might be a real concern if Tulsi was polling at anything higher than 1%. It’s a vanity campaign.

If she debated in a bikini, her support would double.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 19, 2019, 09:22:54 pm
Me: We can't have a president who just had a heart attack.

Wife: (What's the problem?) Old men have heart attacks all the time...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2019, 04:19:39 am
I think that’s crazy talk

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 20, 2019, 09:51:27 am
Im not serious. It's a primary and we should grill everyone on stage for everything. Make them earn our vote.  And yeah Tusli isnt getting near the Oval Office obviously...and she shouldn't. Shes no good.

It's just funny to me that if anyone talks about Kamala's record (things shes actually said and done!), or Beto or Biden, etc., you're doing Trump's job for him and bringing down a Dem, but it's cool to just throw out the idea that a sitting member of congress in your party is a Russian plant. Seems insane!

But shouldn't everyone be furious at Clinton for sowing discord among Dems and giving Trump ammo for the general? What about party unity? What about Vote Blue No Matter Who?  ;D
Not sure if serious, but this might be a real concern if Tulsi was polling at anything higher than 1%. It’s a vanity campaign.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 20, 2019, 09:52:07 am
Agreed that HRC is a lunatic.  Thanks, hutch!

I think that’s crazy talk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2019, 11:04:38 am
Agreed that HRC is a lunatic.  Thanks, hutch!

I think that’s crazy talk
I have to say....Hil did go a little overboard on her Tulsi tweet IMO

I'm of the opinion: I voted for her in 2016 and wish she won, but at this point, she really needs to keep quiet and not be a distraction
I guess she needs to sell her book?
 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2019, 11:56:56 am
or Castro
This #julianforthefuture is really catching on ;)
HAIL JULIAN!

looks like the future may be delayed...
Julián Castro said Monday that his 2020 presidential campaign must raise $800,000 by Oct. 31 — or it "will be silenced for good."
that's a lot of moula for a candidate in the 1% range to raise in two weeks
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 21, 2019, 12:10:01 pm
or Castro
This #julianforthefuture is really catching on ;)
HAIL JULIAN!

looks like the future may be delayed...
Julián Castro said Monday that his 2020 presidential campaign must raise $800,000 by Oct. 31 — or it "will be silenced for good."
that's a lot of moula for a candidate in the 1% range to raise in two weeks
Guys, you all keep focusing on the present when the entire campaign is based around (for) The Future. Read between the lines, Sheeple.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 21, 2019, 01:03:27 pm
Sidehatch, you have the best user names. That is all.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 22, 2019, 11:25:05 am
Even with that, she couldn't get any press...
not sure about that any more...hasn't really won over any Dems, but she's sure the darling of the right now
I still think that what HRC said that about a current congressperson and Dem candidate...is not cool. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2019, 01:05:20 pm
Even though it’s true?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 22, 2019, 03:24:20 pm
Even though it’s true?
I'm quickly becoming less and less a fan of Tulsi...
but calling a sitting U.S. Representative and a legitimate (just barely, but she's been on the stage more than most) candidate  "a Russian asset" ....especially when she's on your side

I think is just wrong
It would be different if she was on the opposing team...and who knows, maybe she will flip, but no indication she will
I've been a luke-warm fan of HRC, but a supporter no-less
this is certainly a ding in my book and just annoys me that it's now fodder for the Faux news crowd
It did absolutely nothing for anyone

and no I don't think it's true, but I've been know for naiveté on matters like this

What's your take on it?
I know you got HRC tattooed on your right glute, so you are biased, but I'd still like to know
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2019, 03:43:58 pm
I have no tat...although considering getting one


If she said it’s true...why else would she? Everything she said about Trump turned out true

Why would she say that about someone polling 1%?

My belief is it is true...you know she has contacts still in government who know

There is evidence to support it

In the wake of last debate everyone was saying she was Russian asset but the minute HRC says it OH MY GOD

Hillary is actually a better candidate than Warren Bernie or Biden or Pete


Sad but true

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 22, 2019, 03:54:32 pm
Which is why she's president!

Hillary is actually a better candidate than Warren Bernie or Biden or Pete
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 22, 2019, 03:56:14 pm
But i digress...friends, are we getting a fund together to get hutch an HRC tattoo?

I have no tat...although considering getting one
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2019, 03:57:03 pm
Different circumstances


But today..my god you got heart attack Bernie vs Gaga Biden vs Navajo Earren vs Pete


All hopeless
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2019, 04:05:42 pm
I am not looking for a Hillary tattoo


More like something really cool...it’s very common in my line of business
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 22, 2019, 04:06:37 pm
I have no tat...although considering getting one
Not sure which one would be good for your physique
(https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/pete-davidson-hillary-clinton.jpg?w=2000&h=3394)(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/55/e9/e7/55e9e7af0cadc9de8f5b08b459510682.jpg)

If she said it’s true...why else would she?
I dunno if I agree with that, but she definitely is a part of the deep state, so knows these kind of things

Quote
There is evidence to support it
scant at best
Yes she did go visit Lion of Syria.  But I think that hardly makes her a Russian asset
I'd like to hear more about your evidence?
Most I've heard is that it is a baseless accusation

Quote
In the wake of last debate everyone was saying she was Russian asset but the minute HRC says it OH MY GOD
it's a lot different when a pundit says it, than when the former secertary of state and winner of the popular vote says it
come on man


Quote
Hillary is actually a better candidate than Warren Bernie or Biden or Pete
Sad but true
I'd argue she may have had better support, experience and policies
but does not inspire people like Warren, Bernie or Pete...she just has zero charisma
and honestly, that is mostly why she lost
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2019, 04:09:51 pm
She lost cause of a combination of factors we have discussed over and over again including some you pointed out but seemingly forgot

She was not a perfect candidate but can you imagine Biden or Bernie winning?

And Warren May light a fire in your grill but come on
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2019, 04:12:11 pm
And yes I have soured on Biden

Should have gone with my original thought when I saw and heard him at Anthem book signing...he is over the hill
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 22, 2019, 04:19:00 pm
She lost cause of a combination of factors we have discussed over and over again including some you pointed out but seemingly forgot

She was not a perfect candidate but can you imagine Biden or Bernie winning?

And Warren May light a fire in your grill but come on
(https://www.presidentialelection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/KLOBUCHAR-705-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2019, 04:27:41 pm
I am not tattooing that on me
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 22, 2019, 05:14:16 pm
man..the hubris in October 2016 was high
this was in arlington (surprised by the high GOP...but I bet the little kids just wanted a elephant)
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14732245_10155456483839408_3781097148702705705_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQkUF4qFOdTJWhi2sHR5PBDGToCgxz2T8P6VasoLaNnSvaOUr4PXdh0q_mqFBkiLWfw&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=101b5fe2884615ba3c74abac00754a62&oe=5E1E7BEB)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 23, 2019, 11:27:19 am
If she said it’s true...
hmm ....
    "I don't know Tulsi Gabbard, but I know one thing: She's not an asset of Russia." — Trump on "Hannity"

Come on hutch defend this
as Trump knows more about being an asset of Russia than Hil does  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 23, 2019, 11:48:39 am
Hell yeah...bring on the 3rd party Conservative candidates!
Dick's Sporting Goods CEO Ed Stac....to explore ... a third-party presidential bid in 2020


although  voluntarily removing assault-style weapons from the inventory and raise the age to purchase any other gun to 21. will not win him any support with the die-hard MAGAs, but I guess he's trying to go for the reasonable conservative (I thought that was a myth, do they exist?)

going to be hard to avoid funny puns with the company he's ceo of
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2019, 03:12:07 pm
If she said it’s true...
hmm ....
    "I don't know Tulsi Gabbard, but I know one thing: She's not an asset of Russia." — Trump on "Hannity"

Come on hutch defend this
as Trump knows more about being an asset of Russia than Hil does  ;)


FAKE NEWS ALERT:
New York Times changes story admitting they misquoted Clinton saying ‘Russians’ were ‘grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/new-york-times-changes-story-admitting-they-misquoted-clinton-saying-russians-were-grooming-tulsi-gabbard/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 24, 2019, 09:54:55 am
Ro Khanna and Patrick Leahy have endorsed him.
Ok yes, the other senator from his state.  Leahy has been in congress for almost as long as I've been alive (and I'm old as dirt), but a legit endorsement, I think I already knew about
Leahy tweeted a zinger today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHl89QLW4AAzFZo?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 24, 2019, 11:33:35 am
Joe, come on man...

https://gizmodo.com/biden-forgot-to-buy-the-web-address-for-his-latinx-outr-1839316976
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 24, 2019, 12:40:13 pm
Tim Ryan out.  Can't believe he didn't catch more fire...seemed like he had a real finger on the pulse of the people

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA0bMIDWsAEcnza?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 24, 2019, 01:50:14 pm
The Hoarse Whisperer @HoarseWisperer

The two most shocking things I learned about the Democratic primaries today:

2) Tim Ryan ended his campaign for president

1) Tim Ryan was running for president
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 24, 2019, 02:02:08 pm
Weird I was at a Capitol Hill bar last night and a woman was saying she supported Tim Ryan.

I had forgotten he was running.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 24, 2019, 03:10:09 pm
I guess the Katie Hill 2024 campaign is pretty much toast.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 24, 2019, 03:16:22 pm
I guess the Katie Hill 2024 campaign is pretty much toast.
what was most shocking is Matt Gaetz came to her defense

I think she is a modern candidate too...was in an abusive marriage with a man, has a sex with a female staffer and tries to make a  three-way “throuple” at the same time also having sex with her male finance director

Hey this is sex positive...all consenting adults
and she is from Cali...that's how they roll out there, man
unlike some of the republican sex scandals where the women were not consenting or underage boys

having sex with a campaign staffer is pretty common
the nude photos from red state was lame...alas, good dirt
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 25, 2019, 07:06:30 am
Tulsi retiring from congress ...to focus on the presidential race
Yikes she should have stayed in the race she can win
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2019, 08:21:31 am
Tulsi retiring from congress ...to focus on the presidential race
Yikes she should have stayed in the race she can win

The Russians are paying her off, she'll eventually go third party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 25, 2019, 08:57:53 am
Everything I do not like is Russia. Everything I do like is the #Resistance.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 25, 2019, 09:56:55 am
Yet you support Sanders? Explain that one
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 25, 2019, 10:09:41 am
Yet you support Sanders? Explain that one

Already explained it

Everything I do not like is Russia. Everything I do like is the #Resistance.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 25, 2019, 10:11:29 am
Tulsi retiring from congress ...to focus on the presidential race
Yikes she should have stayed in the race she can win

The Russians are paying her off, she'll eventually go third party.
seriously...
Tulsi Gabbard appears on Hannity and criticizes the impeachment inquiry process by saying she doesn’t know what’s going on behind closed doors and that she wants transparency
even if she ran as third party, who would actually vote for her?!
It was batshit crazy coming from Gatez/Jordon/Ghram, but for a democrat to parrot these lies is crazy
there are Republicans on the three panels conducting the investigation — the House Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs committees — that are present and able to ask questions at every hearing.

thing that sucks it is going to be bad optics for the dems to condem a woman of color /hindu even if she is from fucknutsville
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 25, 2019, 10:12:50 am
Yet you support Sanders? Explain that one

Already explained it

Everything I do not like is Russia. Everything I do like is the #Resistance.

Actually I don't get this...was trying to parse what you meant with this
and let's be clear, Liking Russian Imperial Stout's does not mean that I support Russia
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 25, 2019, 10:15:57 am
I was just being a shithead mostly, but my point is that it's possible someone sucks (Tulsi in this case) for no other reason then they suck.  She's been bad forever...you don't need to have "russian payoffs" to explain she's bad.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 25, 2019, 10:24:13 am
Hillary was of course right..

Too bad some people’s Hillary Derangement Syndrome makes it impossible for them to see it.

Tulsi, Bernie’s first congressional endorsement in 2016, is working to undermine our election in favor of Russia. If you are out there defending her (I am talking to you Bernie) you are either blind, stupid or a Russian agent yourself.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on October 25, 2019, 10:36:41 am
Yes, someone does have a derangement syndrome.  But you seem to be leaving out Beto, Mayor Pete, Yang, Williamson, and Delaney (maybe others too) that have also pointed out how INSANE IT IS TOO CALL SOMEONE A RUSSIAN ASSET.  Are all of these people Russian agents?

Tulsi, Bernie’s first congressional endorsement in 2016, is working to undermine our election in favor of Russia. If you are out there defending her (I am talking to you Bernie) you are either blind, stupid or a Russian agent yourself.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 25, 2019, 10:51:19 am
Truth...
Matthew Chapman@fawfulfan
I'm not worried Tulsi Gabbard will run 3rd party — she's polling at 1%, at least some of her base is Trump supporters, and it's unclear she could even get on the ballot everywhere.

I'm more worried she'll take a gig at Fox News and we'll have to listen to her nonsense forever.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 01, 2019, 06:00:37 pm
Beto OUT


Beto O'Rourke ends 2020 presidential bid
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/01/politics/beto-orourke-drops-out/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 01, 2019, 09:47:22 pm
Kamala next?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/01/politics/kamala-harris-closing-new-hampshire-offices/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on November 01, 2019, 10:50:04 pm
https://twitter.com/minhtngo/status/1190059389899563008?s=19
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2019, 06:04:17 pm
Is this the appropriate thread for the southern half of the board (read: Virginia, not California) to discuss Delegate and State Senate elections? I’m predicting 53-47 and 21-19 Dems.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 05, 2019, 06:29:02 pm

Is this the appropriate thread for the southern half of the board (read: Virginia, not California) to discuss Delegate and State Senate elections? I’m predicting 53-47 and 21-19 Dems.

gawd, do we now need a "The 2019 Thread" thread?!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2019, 06:29:58 pm

Is this the appropriate thread for the southern half of the board (read: Virginia, not California) to discuss Delegate and State Senate elections? I’m predicting 53-47 and 21-19 Dems.

gawd, do we now need a "The 2019 Thread" thread?!?
Nah, we will just hijack this one for 18 hours.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2019, 09:28:29 pm
My God, it’s beautiful. And for this one brief moment — Kentucky appears to be too.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2019, 10:34:33 pm
gawd, do we now need a "The 2019 Thread" thread?!?
Nah, we will just hijack this one for 18 hours.
wow that was 15 more hours then I thought was possible to talk about the VA gen assembly
but haven't been able to get a good bead on where it is at this hour
I really hope that the blues take the Majority in VA

personally was odd to vote today
8 positions were on the ballot
6 of them only had one person to vote for!?!?!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 05, 2019, 10:36:23 pm
We flipped the Virginia Senate


We need the Virginia House

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2019, 10:44:39 pm
the news caster just said they were 'downwardly correcting' the vote
Yikes!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 05, 2019, 10:58:12 pm
I hear we flipped VA House
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2019, 11:05:28 pm
Both houses solidly blue. Blue Tsunami rolling thru? Left to see. But definitely taking both houses unless every call is incorrect.

Great time to live in VA!

Governor, lieutenant gov, attorney general, both US Senators - dem.

Both state houses - dem.

7 of 11 US House members - dem.

Time to get caught up on things the wild majority of our citizens care about: redraw the maps that has made this take this long, be the 38th state to ratify the ERA, minimum wage increase, recreational weed, LGBTIQ+ rights, Medicaid expansion.

Great, just great.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2019, 11:09:30 pm
Sweet!  Proud VA Dem
going to drive my old school VA in-laws absolutely insane
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 05, 2019, 11:28:00 pm
Kentucky is really too close for comfort but got to think it has gone blue
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2019, 08:55:57 am
Bodes well

https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania-2019-election-results-20191106.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 06, 2019, 08:15:18 pm
Hot take:

You all realize that KY and VA Democrats are essentially moderate Republicans, right?

https://twitter.com/ahmadmzaghal/status/1192199384659873792?s=19
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2019, 08:21:30 pm
Hot take:

You all realize that KY and VA Democrats are essentially moderate Republicans, right?

https://twitter.com/ahmadmzaghal/status/1192199384659873792?s=19
My eyebrows are singed off just from reading that scorching hot take.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2019, 09:39:10 pm
Hot take:

You all realize that KY and VA Democrats are essentially moderate Republicans, right?

https://twitter.com/ahmadmzaghal/status/1192199384659873792?s=19
My eyebrows are singed off just from reading that scorching hot take.
I was tempted to give Az a hard time about that
I'm from VA and about as blue as they come and was insulted (while there is some truth to it)....but alas, there is some amendment that protects that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2019, 06:57:59 pm
Bloomberg
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2019, 07:11:47 pm
Bloomberg

77
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2019, 07:14:32 pm
53,000,000,000
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 08, 2019, 10:53:09 am
Eric Holder has been consulting strategists about possibly jumping into the Dem presidential race.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 08, 2019, 10:58:35 am
Eric Holder has been consulting strategists about possibly jumping into the Dem presidential race.

If he shaves his mustache and you put him in a tan suit, he might look a little like Obama.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2019, 11:11:29 am
I feel like these guys are too late....it’s November 8

I get why Bloomberg sees an opening though....Biden looks washed up

And I don’t see Pete , sanders or Warren being able to beat Trump

Kamala might have been able to beat Trump but I don’t know what happened to her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 08, 2019, 11:31:05 am
Both houses solidly blue. Blue Tsunami rolling thru? Left to see. But definitely taking both houses unless every call is incorrect.
Great time to live in VA!
Turnout was outstanding for an Off year election
Nearly 40% of voters statewide cast ballots in this year's General Assembly elections, up from 29% from 2015.

I love hearing that kind of stuff
I have to credit the Dem's with motivating their base to get out the vote on this one
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2019, 11:37:02 am
You mean you want to credit Trump


What did the democrats do to motivate me to vote? Send me flyers?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2019, 11:01:57 am
finally people are dropping out...but seems like just as many are jumping in

Blankenship launches third party presidential bid

this guy is a total loser, couldn't win in WVA, not sure why he thinks he'll do well on a national level
Blankenship previously spent a year in federal prison

I do like more from the right, who are critical of Trump (all these spinless elected R's are insufferable) ...split the conservative vote by a few points in a few states and it's curtains for Trump
I know...watch the hubris
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2019, 11:53:45 am
Nice campaign AD for Elaine Luria of VA

https://youtu.be/ObQ4Bj2kg2U

We need more of this
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2019, 12:09:24 pm
interesting stat:
When President Trump took office in January 2017, there were 241 Republicans in the House.
Since then, 101 have either been defeated/retired/otherwise left office or are retiring in 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2019, 01:18:01 pm
man he really must fear the Blankenship revolution sweeping across the land

Mark Sanford ends 2020 presidential campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2019, 04:59:44 pm
Maya Rockeymoore Cummings, Elijah Cummings' widow, says she will run for his longtime House seat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2019, 05:19:48 pm
Some democracy we got
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2019, 05:31:47 pm
Some democracy we got
Not sure what you mean....why can't the wife of a Rep run for office
she did run for Governor in 2018 in MD

also...so Mayor Pete is having quite the rise in Iowa
looking like he might finish in top 2
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 12, 2019, 08:40:06 pm
Some democracy we got
Not sure what you mean....why can't the wife of a Rep run for office
she did run for Governor in 2018 in MD

also...so Mayor Pete is having quite the rise in Iowa
looking like he might finish in top 2

Newsflash: America is not going to elect a gay man, much less a married gay man.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2019, 09:55:35 pm
Don’t be ridiculous. He is Mayor of a city of 100,000 people!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 12, 2019, 10:33:21 pm
Political journalists: "It's incredible that this figure from South Bend is hanging around in the national discussion despite lacking any qualifications or tangible results!"

College football fans: “Oh, you sweet summer child. . . “
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2019, 10:44:11 am
Don’t be ridiculous. He is Mayor of a city of 100,000 people!
let's get the numbers right here....102,245 people

if you type in south bend Indiana ...population is the first suggestion that comes up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 13, 2019, 06:02:01 pm
Deval Patrick
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 13, 2019, 06:32:12 pm
Deval Patrick

no.  just no.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on November 13, 2019, 06:40:31 pm
Oh hell yes, let's do this.

Deval Patrick

no.  just no.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 14, 2019, 03:07:40 am
(moved to another thread, please ignore)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 14, 2019, 10:26:05 pm
In 2014 Deval Patrick fired leaders of his state's Sex Offender Registry for trying to force his brother in law to register due to being convicted of rape in California in 1993.

In 2019, that same rapist was sentenced to 6 years for another rape.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/06/25/bernard-sig...amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 15, 2019, 03:14:48 am
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/06/25/bernard-sig...amp/?__twitter_impression=true

broken link is broken
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on November 15, 2019, 09:28:02 am
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/06/25/bernard-sigh-sentencing-deval-patrick-massachusetts/

That's the link.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on November 15, 2019, 12:29:55 pm
hard to fathom how this guy is polling at 0% with African Americans

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/15/pete-buttigieg-campaign-black-voters/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2019, 01:28:24 pm
since there wasn't a 2019 thread...one last string was left

Matt Bevin just conceded that he lost #KYGov to Andy Beshear in a news conference
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 15, 2019, 02:39:08 pm
I think Trump will pardon Stone

Not sure when
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2019, 02:50:44 pm
I think Trump will pardon Stone

Not sure when
if he pulls an Arpaio...he'll do it before the sentencing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 15, 2019, 02:51:44 pm
Stone sentencing is for February

I imagine Trump will pardon him in November once he is re-elected


Or he will pardon him after he is not re-elected (less likely scenario)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2019, 03:19:56 pm
Stone sentencing is for February

I imagine Trump will pardon him in November once he is re-elected


Or he will pardon him after he is not re-elected (less likely scenario)
your math seems off here...will sentencing be in Feb 2020 and the election in Nov 2020
why is it so long for the sentencing?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 15, 2019, 03:35:31 pm
Huh? Well maybe Stone will spend a few months in prison


I think pardoning him before election would carry a political cost
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2019, 11:49:47 am
Trump Ditches Flavored Vape Ban After Learning His Supporters Like to Vape (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/trump-reversal-flavored-e-cigarette-vape-ban.html)

dang he can't even own it and blames it on family members
saying that he didn’t want to go through with the ban that he said was really his wife and daughter’s idea anyway.


Must say was nice to see LA gov stay Democratic this weekend
Seems like both 2018 and 2019 election cycles were very BAD for trump
Doesn't totally correlate what will happen in 2020...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 18, 2019, 12:21:58 pm
Trump Ditches Flavored Vape Ban After Learning His Supporters Like to Vape (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/trump-reversal-flavored-e-cigarette-vape-ban.html)

dang he can't even own it and blames it on family members
saying that he didn’t want to go through with the ban that he said was really his wife and daughter’s idea anyway.


Must say was nice to see LA gov stay Democratic this weekend
Seems like both 2018 and 2019 election cycles were very BAD for trump
Doesn't totally correlate what will happen in 2020...

Yeah, the Russians might get their shit together by 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2019, 12:10:25 pm
Wayne Messam is out...not that anyone cares
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2019, 01:31:30 pm
Wayne Messam is out...not that anyone cares

i know it's stereotypical to say "who?" in these situations, but seriously: who?  i have never heard this name before.

just googled him.  definitely never seen or heard of him.  does that make me a bad leftie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 20, 2019, 01:41:14 pm
Wayne Messam is out...not that anyone cares

i know it's stereotypical to say "who?" in these situations, but seriously: who?  i have never heard this name before.
I believe he's the President of the NRA.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2019, 02:00:51 pm
Wayne Messam is out...not that anyone cares

i know it's stereotypical to say "who?" in these situations, but seriously: who?  i have never heard this name before.

just googled him.  definitely never seen or heard of him.  does that make me a bad leftie?

come on man... mayor of Miramar, Florida population 122,041
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2019, 04:37:55 pm
More people than South Bend...and a swing state
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2019, 05:46:21 pm
More people than South Bend...and a swing state
not gay...but POC
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on November 21, 2019, 10:16:39 am
LOL, I had remembered this as $500...boy I was WAY off

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/us/politics/wayne-messam-5-dollars.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 21, 2019, 03:21:40 pm
between being against weed and the reveal of his grandkid...Biden not getting the press he needs
still in the lead, but not sure after he gets thumped in IA and possibly NH,  how his campaign will survive
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 26, 2019, 05:44:24 pm



I agreed with Biden on 8, two were question marks. No disagrees.

7 out of 8 for Klobuchar with two question marks.

7 out of 9 for Pete with one question mark.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/?fbclid=IwAR3TSNonodOJnyivIvCn74unm24iJjlWwaDWd0SKMgJHRGlXSWjzBwythZE
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2019, 06:19:05 pm
Haha Sanders 7!!


I hope Bloomberg picks up steam


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2019, 06:25:54 pm
Warren 4 Biden 3 Pete 1
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 27, 2019, 09:01:44 am
yikes got a three way tie for last with Warren, Biden and Gabbard
odd bedfellows

that survey thinks I should vote for Steyer
maybe I'm a DINO and didn't know it :)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on November 27, 2019, 09:25:11 am
Sanders: 8
Warren: 7
Booker: 6
Steyer: 6
Harris: 5
Buttigieg: 4
Yang: 4
Klobuchar: 2
Gabbard: 1
Biden: 0
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 27, 2019, 09:47:16 am



I agreed with Biden on 8, two were question marks. No disagrees.

7 out of 8 for Klobuchar with two question marks.

7 out of 9 for Pete with one question mark.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/?fbclid=IwAR3TSNonodOJnyivIvCn74unm24iJjlWwaDWd0SKMgJHRGlXSWjzBwythZE

I'll also add that Sanders was next to last and Warren dead last for me. Old school pragmatic Obama loving moderate here.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 27, 2019, 02:17:19 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKZdD6uXUAEcGpp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
nice impeachment papers (https://maddogpac.com/collections/accessories/products/the-impeachment-papers)!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 02, 2019, 06:00:20 am
so apparently some dude named Joe Sestak was running for the Dem nom?  and now he is no longer running?

Joe Sestak ends long-shot 2020 Democratic presidential campaign (https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/01/politics/joe-sestak-2020-campaign/index.html)

clown car just lost a passenger...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 02, 2019, 08:34:42 am
One of my early favorites, Steve Bullock, has dropped out. The Democrats are doing their best to pick the most unappealing, unelectable candidate again this year. Seems like they need Martin O'Malley to talk some sense into them.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on December 02, 2019, 01:26:07 pm
One of my early favorites, Steve Bullock, has dropped out. The Democrats are doing their best to pick the most unappealing, unelectable candidate again this year. Seems like they need Martin O'Malley to talk some sense into them.

Interesting.  I was invited to a Whitney Williams campaign fundraiser this week and figured talk of Bullock would drive the convo - now it will be what's next for Steve.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on December 02, 2019, 02:09:12 pm
Warren
Warren

6

Booker
Booker

4

Klobuchar
Klobuchar

4

Sanders
Sanders

4

Yang
Yang

4

Steyer
Steyer

4

Biden
Biden

3

Buttigieg
Buttigieg

3

Harris
Harris

3

Gabbard
Gabbard

2
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 02, 2019, 02:19:52 pm
CNN political analysts were at a loss for words while discussing a poll conducted by the Economist/YouGov that found 53% of Republicans said that Donald Trump was a better president than Abraham Lincoln.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 02, 2019, 08:11:04 pm
CNN political analysts were at a loss for words while discussing a poll conducted by the Economist/YouGov that found 53% of Republicans said that Donald Trump was a better president than Abraham Lincoln. (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/12/02/republicans-trump-lincoln-economist-yougov-poll-ip-sot-vpx.cnn)

^ linked, in case you wanna watch & live the excitement for yourselves.  riveting stuff.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on December 03, 2019, 02:08:48 pm
Mind blowing to me that her campaign was so dreadful.  I really expected her to go a lot further:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/kamala-harris-drops-out-out-of-presidential-race-074902
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on December 03, 2019, 02:18:32 pm
CA politics is not US politics....and neither is campaigning.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2019, 02:19:55 pm
I really expected her to go a lot further:
yeah, I would have put money she was going to be top 3 candidate 6 months ago
could never get traction

and what Smakie said ^

although has a good chance to get the Attorney Gen job if there is a D in the WH
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 03, 2019, 02:26:59 pm
Mind blowing to me that her campaign was so dreadful.  I really expected her to go a lot further:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/kamala-harris-drops-out-out-of-presidential-race-074902

And now Tulsi is the only hot one left.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2019, 02:29:52 pm
What did she do wrong?

I mean other than after the first debate nobody seemed to like her but am not sure why? She was s little hard on Joe..

I think she was democrats best hope to beat Trump given Biden’s issues

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 03, 2019, 02:34:16 pm
although has a good chance to get the Attorney Gen job if there is a D in the WH

there currently is a huge D in the white house...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2019, 02:43:33 pm
One interesting note is just how much Biden has the black vote locked up...Both Harris and Booker are non factors..if that doesn’t change he is going to be tough to beat particularly with Sanders and Warren splitting the so called progressive vote
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2019, 03:04:45 pm
If Kamala dropping out helps anyone it’s Joe
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2019, 11:27:59 am
bernie bros stayin classy


“Tonight, a white Bernie Sanders supporter ripped the microphone out of a black elected city councilwoman's hand who was talking about her positive experiences with Mayor Pete Buttigieg. He screamed over all of the black leaders who gathered to endorse and show their support for our Mayor, including the leader of the local NAACP chapter, saying, "where are the black leaders?" The brother of Eric Logan (the black man who was killed by a cop earlier this year) had to wrestle the microphone out of this man's hand.”

- Facebook message from a South Bend resident
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78253013_518827382038179_331939369264873472_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=LygO39SfCmgAQm805KT5NIYQyiTpvk_68OgRpYepxJbHYHHTLYOG4JQvw&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=324b89b9165f13927c483546d7fa3fa5&oe=5E8A43C0)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 05, 2019, 11:30:38 am
Patton Oswalt? I liked him better on Justified.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 05, 2019, 12:02:52 pm
He is wearing a “Black lives matter” shirt
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 05, 2019, 12:12:24 pm
The guy never claimed to be a Bernie supporter. That claim was  made by Buttman's aides.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/pete-buttigieg-black-support-protest-south-bend

Several Buttigieg campaign aides reacted on Twitter, suggesting that the protester was loyal to another presidential candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

“This is what Black folks who support Pete experience all the time on Twitter,” Buttigieg’s traveling press secretary, Nina Smith, tweeted. “White men, grabbing the mic, insulting us, calling us ‘uppity’ ‘purchased’ and ‘tokens’ all in support of certain white male candidates. Careful YOUR racism is showing.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 05, 2019, 12:21:52 pm
Yes of course


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2019, 12:48:01 pm
That claim was  made by Buttman's aides.
can confirm....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 05, 2019, 02:06:55 pm
So why post it? Just to smear “Bernie Bros”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2019, 02:58:31 pm
So why post it? Just to smear “Bernie Bros”
well the act did happen and I saw it from a Mayor Peat Moss feed
I didn't realize that this individual wasn't in fact a berning-man until after space posted that

I just think it's kind of nuts that some white dude gets up with a BLM shirt and taking the mic from the 3 black people on stage saying 'black people don't support Pete'
was just kind of a bizarre story...and maybe a little bernie dig
I mean, I like the guy and his ideas...electibility IMO is the issue with him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 05, 2019, 03:06:29 pm
But Black people *don't* support Pete. He's polling at 2% with Blacks, compared to 16% for Whites.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-really-behind-pete-buttigiegs-lack-of-support-among-black-voters/

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 05, 2019, 03:14:02 pm
People get serious
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2019, 03:23:48 pm
new GOP retirement
Repub Rep. Tom Graves Will Not Seek Re-Election in 2020

 that 17 now (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-are-now-16-house-republicans-retiring-what-does-this-mean-for-2020/) or is it 20 (https://www.axios.com/congress-republicans-democrats-retire-2020-8149a7a1-1878-47fc-b44d-b3970c858f47.html)

also...I'm challenging you (or just the bernie bros) all to a push-up contest
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on December 05, 2019, 03:24:46 pm
Thank you Space and starsky for defending me and other Bernie Bros.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2019, 03:27:38 pm
Thank you Space and starsky for defending me and other Bernie Bros.
dang that's some bizzaro world type of post
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2019, 04:22:55 pm
shocking breaking news....Kerry endorses Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on December 05, 2019, 04:33:28 pm
Let's see if we can continue to in-fight and alienate more of our base.   #dems2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on December 05, 2019, 08:48:36 pm
When will these vile Warren Bros stop!

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/05/biden-calls-iowa-voter-damn-liar-and-fat-after-ukraine-accusation.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on December 05, 2019, 09:37:05 pm
Also regarding the Mayor Pete protest

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELDXY8-XUAoJswV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 05, 2019, 09:45:47 pm
I am starting to think I don’t like Mayor Pete

I just read some horrible quote by him about how democrats tend to not care about the debt or spending

Let’s just feed into Republican talking points which happen to be lies

In case there are morons on this board it’s Republicans who blow up the deficit with useless wars and tax cuts for billionaires
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 06, 2019, 06:52:06 pm
new GOP retirement
Repub Rep. Tom Graves Will Not Seek Re-Election in 2020

 that 17 now (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-are-now-16-house-republicans-retiring-what-does-this-mean-for-2020/) or is it 20 (https://www.axios.com/congress-republicans-democrats-retire-2020-8149a7a1-1878-47fc-b44d-b3970c858f47.html)

another one bites the dust (this one was expected, and not a retirement, but still...)

Duncan Hunter says he'll resign after holidays following guilty plea over misusing campaign funds (https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/politics/duncan-hunter-to-resign/index.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 06, 2019, 06:53:07 pm
If Kamala dropping out helps anyone it’s Joe

apparently booker and castro have picked up a good chunk of kamala's followers, per the NPR.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 08, 2019, 11:04:43 pm
If Kamala dropping out helps anyone it’s Joe

apparently booker and castro have picked up a good chunk of kamala's followers, per the NPR.
divvying up that 1% was hard to do
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2019, 01:53:41 pm
Catching up on the Economist over the weekend and stumbled on this....

No surprise that Hip Hop is a large indicator of liberal votes and country music is a large indicator of conservative votes.

But most of the most voters who voted Obama in 2012 and then Trump in 2016?  Hard-rock acts like Metallica, ac/dc and Guns’n’Roses.  Dwell on that, fellow boardies.....

Graphic Detail (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/16/why-obama-trump-swing-voters-like-heavy-metal)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 11, 2019, 08:52:25 am
Can't figure out what to get your racist uncle for Christmas? How about a "Build the Wall" Santa hat?

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article238240464.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2019, 12:47:17 pm
North Carolina Rep Mark Walker Won’t Seek Reelection

He joins 23 other House Republicans who want to spend more time with their family

(opting to hold out for a potential Senate bid in 2022)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 19, 2019, 10:27:43 am
Mark Meadows becomes the 24th House Republican to announce his retirement in 2020

oh...and fuck that guy, what a dick
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 19, 2019, 10:30:55 am
He must have a great gig lined up...maybe replacing Mulvaney
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 19, 2019, 10:47:03 am
He must have a great gig lined up...maybe replacing Mulvaney
that's what the word is that he's getting ready for a position in the Trump administration
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 19, 2019, 10:56:42 am
I can't keep up. Where is Mulvaney going?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 19, 2019, 11:48:43 am
Well if Trump actually got rid of Mulvaney as long rumoured I would think Mick would go straight to K Street
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 19, 2019, 11:58:15 am
Well if Trump actually got rid of Mulvaney as long rumoured I would think Mick would go straight to K Street

That makes sense but I guess my question was why would Trump get rid of Mulvaney?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 19, 2019, 12:19:34 pm
Cause he thinks Mulvaney does a shit job


Cause Trump is his own Chief if Staff and nobody can ever do it like he would...as far as Trump is concerned the only thing that matters is how they do on the Sunday news shows and Mulvaney kind of struck out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 19, 2019, 06:03:29 pm
van drew flips to R...."This is who I am"
kinda odd to jump on a sinking ship...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 20, 2019, 12:37:09 am
He must have a great gig lined up...maybe replacing Mulvaney
that's what the word is that he's getting ready for a position in the Trump administration

i read that he was gearing up for a 2022 senate run.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 20, 2019, 11:32:42 am
Well if Trump actually got rid of Mulvaney as long rumoured I would think Mick would go straight to K Street

That makes sense but I guess my question was why would Trump get rid of Mulvaney?
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/19/white-house-impeachment-mulvaney-088246
Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney is widely expected to leave his current position once the Senate wraps up its impeachment trial and the intense scrutiny of the West Wing settles down, according to five aides and confidants to President Donald Trump.
Mulvaney no longer wields much control over White House staff. Lately, he has been left out of major personnel and policy decisions, and he is not driving the strategy on impeachment even though he occupies what is historically the most powerful job in the West Wing.
“He is there. I’ll leave it at that,” said a Republican close to the White House when asked about Mulvaney’s status. “He’s like a kid. His role at the dinner table is to be seen and not heard.”


ouch

I'd be a little worried he'd decide to flip and spill the beans...

also...does the dinner table that "Republican close to the White House" sit at with kids from the Pilgrim era?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on December 20, 2019, 03:16:26 pm
what is historically the most powerful job in the West Wing.

Solid read.

(https://images2.penguinrandomhouse.com/cover/9780804138260)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2019, 12:42:19 pm
Team Trump just put up a site https://snowflakevictory.com/
How to win an argument with your liberal relatives


with classics like
"Don’t let crazy family members and friends get away with throwing out liberal talking points and faux “feelings”. "

"First, there was the Russian hoax, two years and over $35 million of hard-working taxpayer dollars wasted and nothing found. "
really nothing...then why are some of your advisors in jail or waiting to go to jail?

"And, to top it off, under President Obama, Ukraine never received this kind of lethal military aid AT ALL.
It is thanks to President Trump, that the Ukrainians are getting the aid in the first place."

I love these...as they are only thanks to the Dems push over decades to make it happen and he takes the credit
"America’s environmental record is one of the strongest in the world and the U.S. has also been a world leader in reducing carbon emissions for over a decade.

We have the cleanest air on record and remain a global leader for access to clean drinking water. President Trump has taken important steps to restore, preserve, and protect our land, air, and waters."

What? Trump has taken steps to "restore, preserve, and protect our land, air, and waters"  please show some examples of that?


I know, I just need to ignore this stuff...but it's soo hard
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 24, 2019, 01:02:52 pm
I don’t find it hard but then again i know not one Trump supporter personally
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2019, 02:15:31 pm
I for one am please to see Amy get a little more press and notice

but I will go on record that these hash tags are not helping....
Klomentum
Klobucharge

my fear is it's going to end with
Klobucharred
or
Klobbered


and Trump hasn't really rolled out her insult nick name yet...this was his worst so far

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Well, it happened again. Amy Klobuchar announced that she is running for President, talking proudly of fighting global warming while standing in a virtual blizzard of snow, ice and freezing temperatures. Bad timing. By the end of her speech she looked like a Snowman(woman)!
 Feb 10, 2019
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 24, 2019, 05:23:14 pm
I like Amy, a lot.

I think a simple "Joe and Amy" ticket would appeal to the blue collar folks they need to win over in PA. MI, WI, etc. Just wish Joe was younger.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 26, 2019, 12:09:52 am
I like Amy, a lot.

I think a simple "Joe and Amy" ticket would appeal to the blue collar folks they need to win over in PA. MI, WI, etc. Just wish Joe was younger.

what about the Amy and Joe show...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 02, 2020, 12:11:15 pm
Julián Castro drops out of presidential race


for the future future

So we look to be down to 15 'major' candidates
Still a strong showing by the B-Boys (Bennet, biden, bloomberg, booker, buttigieg, Bernie)
John Delaney is still running!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 02, 2020, 06:35:12 pm
methinks Marianne Williamson's campaign days are numbered
laid off entire staff today
somewhat a shocker that she was still in this race
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 03, 2020, 01:26:36 pm
and the retires continue on the R side

Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.) announced Friday he won't seek re-election in 2020
the 25th Republican to announce he will not run for re-election this cycle.


although almost no chance this going dem
President Trump won Roe's district in 2016 by a nearly 57-point margin.
    Roe's congressional seat has been held by a Republican since 1881.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 03, 2020, 01:32:42 pm
and the retires continue on the R side

Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.) announced Friday he won't seek re-election in 2020
the 25th Republican to announce he will not run for re-election this cycle.


although almost no chance this going dem
President Trump won Roe's district in 2016 by a nearly 57-point margin.
    Roe's congressional seat has been held by a Republican since 1881.

His constituents were probably recently informed that Roe was the pro-abortion side, not Wade.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 03, 2020, 04:43:57 pm
His constituents were probably recently informed that Roe was the pro-abortion side, not Wade.
hmm always thought it was Norma McCorvey ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 03, 2020, 04:54:23 pm
His constituents were probably recently informed that Roe was the pro-abortion side, not Wade.
hmm always thought it was Norma McCorvey ;)
The Benedict Arnold of the abortion rights movement.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 03, 2020, 05:19:13 pm
His constituents were probably recently informed that Roe was the pro-abortion side, not Wade.
hmm always thought it was Norma McCorvey ;)
The Benedict Arnold of the abortion rights movement.
yep, story/stance changed a lot
it's not inaccurate that she was a pawn in the movement...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2020, 12:35:53 pm
hmm this future/present thing may have impacted your decision making process...

Julián Castro endorses Elizabeth Warren for president


And why the fuck not....Lincoln Chafee files to run for president as a Libertarian
he may pull some of the old school GOP'ers who were really libertarians the whole time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2020, 02:52:49 pm
Nobody is going to pull anybody from Trump.....every scintilla of evidence points to that...Jesus Christ could run and every Republican (including “evangelicals”) would vote Trump

Good for Julian..looks like a desperate attempt by Warren to stop/revert the slide ...otherwise she would have kept the endorsement in her back pocket until a week before Iowa

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2020, 03:42:26 pm
Bloomberg drops $10 mil on a 60 second superbowl ad
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2020, 03:47:17 pm
Good for Bloomberg


I like him...always have

It’s a horribly weak field with koo koo for Cocoa Puffs (heart attack) Bernie, ga ga Biden, Pocahontas and the guy from Mad magazine

I would happily vote for Bloomberg
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2020, 03:58:47 pm
Good for Bloomberg
He's got an interesting strategy to avoid the first 4, no debates and just focus on super Tuesday
I do like the Mayor and most things he stands for
I do think he would have no problem in a face to face debate with Trump...as I fear our current front runners will crumble
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2020, 04:27:15 pm
Bloomberg drops $10 mil on a 60 second superbowl ad
not to get outdone
President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign is planning to drop $10 million to advertise during the Super Bowl


I'm surprised he didn't buy 4 ads
guy is soo thin skinned it's unbelievable


Hmmm...so not sure of the order of events...
"The biggest point is getting under Trump's skin," Bloomberg spokesman says of buying a $10 million Super Bowl ad
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2020, 08:47:35 pm
this is good news towards getting the senate blue
Poll: Democrat Mark Kelly leads incumbent McSally in Arizona Senate race
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2020, 10:19:33 am
wow, this is quite a haul
ActBlue, an online fundraising platform for Democrats and progressive groups, pulled in $1.05 billion in campaign contributions for the party’s candidates and causes in 2019.


although I think some of this went almost directly to the Dem Campaigns who also claim this on their balance sheet
wonder how much of that is small money donations


update- The average contribution was $30.50.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2020, 12:24:14 pm
Can someone tell me why the Dems keep with this Primary schedule

1. caucus, while on paper sound like a great idea...are just a disaster
2. Iowa, NH, SC, NV as the first four...yikes
3. I think the Dems should be doing ranked choice voting in primaries

saw this and it depresses me

@HoarseWisperer
In Iowa, approximately 30% of registered voters are Democrats.
Of that number, approximately 15% participate in caucuses.

4.5% of Iowa’s population participates in the Dem caucus.

Hardly representative of the state let alone the country.


what world does it make sense that this should be the Dem's first primary?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 09, 2020, 02:31:47 pm
Can someone tell me why the Dems keep with this Primary schedule

1. caucus, while on paper sound like a great idea...are just a disaster
2. Iowa, NH, SC, NV as the first four...yikes
3. I think the Dems should be doing ranked choice voting in primaries

saw this and it depresses me

@HoarseWisperer
In Iowa, approximately 30% of registered voters are Democrats.
Of that number, approximately 15% participate in caucuses.

4.5% of Iowa’s population participates in the Dem caucus.

Hardly representative of the state let alone the country.


what world does it make sense that this should be the Dem's first primary?


Julian from the Past complained exactly about this when he suspended his campaign.  he was banking on capturing a large portion of the non-white vote, yet the launchpads for the nomination - iowa and new hamphire - are two of the whitest states in the union.  bloomberg seems to think he can pull it off without those first 2 states (actually first 4 states, since he isn't on those ballots) but realistically no one has ever won the nom without being first or second in the first 2 states.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2020, 02:46:23 pm
Julian from the Past
Nice one!
Quote
bloomberg seems to think he can pull it off without those first 2 states (actually first 4 states, since he isn't on those ballots) but realistically no one has ever won the nom without being first or second in the first 2 states.
well no one has ever skipped the first 4, so it's hard to tell if this strategy will work
few spare bil in the bank doesn't hurt
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 09, 2020, 02:48:03 pm
Can someone tell me why the Dems keep with this Primary schedule

Ask Florida, circa 2008...they may have some thoughts on the issue.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2020, 02:54:55 pm
Can someone tell me why the Dems keep with this Primary schedule

Ask Florida, circa 2008...they may have some thoughts on the issue.
whoa...news to me...gosh 2008 seems like when we were using rotary phones and getting off the couch to change the channel
The Florida Democratic Presidential primary took place on January 29, 2008.

However, the Democratic National Committee determined that the date of the Florida Democratic Primary violated the party rules and ultimately decided to sanction the state, stripping all 210 delegates and refusing to seat them at the convention.
 later...agreed to seat all of Florida's delegates with each delegate having only receive half a vote


I do remember DC tried to do something like that too and the DNC went ballistic

Now I can understand the RNC wanting Iowa first...but Iowa is hardly representative of the DNC
what is their logic for the order?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 09, 2020, 03:27:00 pm
That is what decided the primary...there was a DNC meeting in DC to decide how to deal with FL and I think MI having jumped the gun

I was on Obama’s side...I remember Clinton surrogate Lanny Davis and I yelling at each other at the hotel


Good times
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2020, 03:36:51 pm
That is what decided the primary...there was a DNC meeting in DC to decide how to deal with FL and I think MI having jumped the gun

I was on Obama’s side...I remember Clinton surrogate Lanny Davis and I yelling at each other at the hotel


Good times

I believe that

also interesting that you are mentioned in this quote
“Lanny Davis has a unique combination of extensive experience as a first-rate practicing attorney and expertise in dealing with the media, political leaders, Hutch, and the legislative process. That’s much needed in the age of the internet and get it first before getting it right journalism.”
-President William Jefferson Clinton
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 09, 2020, 03:43:39 pm
He is the worst..which made it doubly funny when democrats where hailing him for representing Cohen...but I remember it like it was yesterday...one of us was on the escalator and I started yelling and heckling him and he yelled back at me...I think he yelled fuck you or fuck off...pure class

I never liked Bill Clinton...never bought the hype....he was a sleaze and had some real sleazes in his entourage...Hillary eventually got rid of Lanny but she still didn’t win!!

The day after Obama won presidency I was in line at Post to get souvenir newspaper and who pulls in parking lot next to Post (some law offices)...yeah Lanny
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2020, 07:03:42 pm
didn't see that coming...going to be a weird primary people
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN36OmWUUAEFPqr?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 09, 2020, 07:09:06 pm
didn't see that coming...

Are you referring to Steyer's numbers?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2020, 10:58:35 pm
didn't see that coming...

Are you referring to Steyer's numbers?
Yes, steyer (although I've probably followed his campaign the least)
Sorry, thought that was obvious, but can see how it might not
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 10, 2020, 10:54:36 am
whoa...the definition of putting your money where your mouth is (helps if you have a lot of money)
Mike Bloomberg will pay for the nearly 500 staffers on his presidential campaign to continue working through November to support whoever wins the 2020 Democratic nomination, even if it's not him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 10, 2020, 01:28:10 pm
Marianne out.  I'll always love you, queen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 10, 2020, 02:00:05 pm
Marianne out.  I'll always love you, queen
nooooo.....
maybe she's gunning for Bloomberg's spiritual adviser cabinet position?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 10, 2020, 04:00:41 pm
Marianne out.  I'll always love you, queen

If she is an anti-vaxxer, this is great:

https://twitter.com/TheDweck/status/1215696270053924864?s=20

If she is not, harsh. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 10, 2020, 04:38:29 pm
I won't go as far as saying she's anti-vax, but to paraphrase that Andrew Gillum slam on DeSantis, I'm not calling Ms. Williamson an anti-vaxxer, I'm simply saying the anti-vaxxers believe she's an anti-vaxxer.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2020, 11:46:21 am
may be a good sign for bloomberg....trumps testing out insults

Mini Mike B

honestly, he's usually pretty good at this, but I give him a D on this one
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 13, 2020, 12:11:26 pm
Really? I though Mini Mike B was good!  Way better than Crazy Bernie or Sleepy Joe

may be a good sign for bloomberg....trumps testing out insults

Mini Mike B

honestly, he's usually pretty good at this, but I give him a D on this one
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 13, 2020, 12:17:37 pm
Also, Booker out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2020, 12:23:45 pm
Also, Booker out
Donny never misses an opportunity to kick someone on the way out

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

Really Big Breaking News (Kidding): Booker, who was in zero polling territory, just dropped out of the Democrat Presidential Primary Race. Now I can rest easy tonight. I was sooo concerned that I would someday have to go head to head with him!



Does anyone have any idea what was up with @thewhitehouse tweeting a picture of snow when it was almost 60 degrees in DC
Is it to show they can just say and do anything....even lie about the weather
this one has me confused
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 13, 2020, 01:09:21 pm
Does anyone have any idea what was up with @thewhitehouse tweeting a picture of snow when it was almost 60 degrees in DC
Is it to show they can just say and do anything....even lie about the weather
this one has me confused

https://mashable.com/article/white-house-snow-tweet/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2020, 01:13:44 pm
Does anyone have any idea what was up with @thewhitehouse tweeting a picture of snow when it was almost 60 degrees in DC
Is it to show they can just say and do anything....even lie about the weather
this one has me confused

https://mashable.com/article/white-house-snow-tweet/

ok...it was an old photo taken on 1/7/20 they posted on 1/12/20...still again really odd


The North Portico of the White House is seen during a snow flurry Tuesday afternoon, Jan. 7, 2020, (Official White House Photo by Tia Dufour)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 13, 2020, 02:20:55 pm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html


I happen to think that if Hillary couldn’t win it’s doubtful we will have a female US President for at least 16 more years

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 13, 2020, 02:32:28 pm
As much as I dislike the Clinton's, she did win the popular vote! She just ran a bad campaign.

I do think Warren could beat Trump...she's a good fighter when she wants to be, but seems to have bad political instincts (or a bad campaign) about when to tuck tail.  Getting spooked by Mayor Pete doesn't really instill much confidence she could go toe to toe with him in the general.

Plus, everyone knows AOC will be the first female president :)

Still, an article with four anonymous sources, an on-the-record statement denying it from Bernie and a "no comment" from Warren's camp?  That's beyond fishy...especially given this only seems to surface when Bernie's up in most early state polling!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 13, 2020, 03:15:39 pm
Hillary ran a bad campaign? Please explain
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 13, 2020, 03:26:00 pm
Right now, no one is beating Trump.  And that won't change until the candidates stop vying to woo the coastal voters and start appealing to the voters in the 6 states that are going to decide this election.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 13, 2020, 03:26:12 pm
I want to preface this by saying that in no way am I minimizing misogyny as a reason she isn't president.  That's a real and true thing, and obviously any kind of shitty bias of this kind plays a role.  And I don't think that any existing bias like this (or racism or Islamophobia or homophobia or transphobia, etc. etc.) are reasons to not run a candidate...with the right messages and appeals those things are hurdles you can overcome.  I mean, we elected a black guy with an African name as president because he had a good message and an appeal to voters that was strong enough to overcome enough of that bias to win by huge margins.

Enough ink has been spilled about it, but her campaigns goal of converting suburban Republicans that were turned off by Trump was a colossal failure.  They may hold their nose as his tweets or his blatant racism, but they still agree with what he's about fundamentally, just not the way he says it.  She did this at the expense of turning out disenfranchised and disillusioned voters, and it cost her big.  Not to mention how her campaign ignored swing states...i think Trump out campaigned her in these states by like 50 percent or something outrageous.  She didn't visit Wisconsin once during the last 100 days of the election!

Look, she had more than that against her as well.  Our system is stupid and archaic and dumb as hell...but the rules are you get 270 electoral votes and you win.  Seems like a bad campaign when you lose that focus...that or hubris (probably both here, TBH).

Hillary ran a bad campaign? Please explain
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 13, 2020, 03:55:16 pm
No mention of Comey and the FBI?

Not a serious response


I thought more highly of you
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 13, 2020, 04:03:15 pm
If anybody wants to seriously look at the campaign the thing you would have to recognize is that the candidate that ran a terrible campaign was Donald Trump. It was not disciplined, every day there was a new clusterfuck, and he got creamed in every debate.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 13, 2020, 04:03:32 pm
No mention of Comey and the FBI?

Not a serious response

Well, you asked me about her running a bad campaign, and I answered.  She couldn't help Comey's letter, which of course damaged here.  It's why I threw in a quick "Look, she had more than that against her as well."  Though one might say running a candidate that's under federal investigation was a poor choice to begin with.  Still, with more of a focus in those key swing states, she could've overcome those thin margin.

I thought more highly of you

That's your first mistake, bud :)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 13, 2020, 04:05:11 pm
But he won! I think it's hard to say someone ran a bad campaign when they won!

But circling back, I think it's a bullshit thought to think a woman couldn't win.  That's lazy at best and extremely sexist at worst.  You just need the right message and the right messenger.

If anybody wants to seriously look at the campaign the thing you would have to recognize is that the candidate that ran a terrible campaign was Donald Trump. It was not disciplined, every day there was a new clusterfuck, and he got creamed in every debate.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2020, 04:08:25 pm
But he won! I think it's hard to say someone ran a bad campaign when they won!
I think this really needs to get defined in the discussion of this (nearly continual) board argument. Can someone run a good campaign and lose? Can someone run a bad campaign and still win? If so, for either, give real-life examples [and show your work].

I think if you and Hutch answer those two questions (and follow one instructive statement), it will quickly be revealed you are debating different topics at heart.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2020, 04:09:42 pm
You just need the right message and the right messenger.
ding ding ding....we have a winner!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2020, 04:32:22 pm
@AlexThomasDC
"write letters to the judge sentencing your former congressman" is the new "call your representatives"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 13, 2020, 04:42:08 pm
Well, if the goal is to be president, and you win, I think it's hard to say your campaign was "bad".  Likewise, if the goal is to become president, and you lose, I think it's hard to say your campaign was "good".

Now, what if you run a bad campaign, but your opponent runs a worse campaign and you win...relatively speaking, you ran a good campaign as it wasn't worse than your opponents.  But it could still be a bad campaign.  I think Trump's win definitely falls into this category...the difference in PA (20 electoral votes, HRC lost by 44,000 votes)), Wisconsin (10 electoral votes, HRC lost by 23,000 votes), and Michigan (16 electoral votes, HRC lost by 11,000 votes) would've swung it, and not by much!  That seems like a bad campaign IMO, regardless of what "bad" campaigning Trump did.  He won the goal.

If you run a good campaign, but your opponent runs a better campaign and you lose?  Again, relatively speaking, you ran a bad campaign as it wasn't better than your opponents. That said, I'd have to dig for an example.

I think this really needs to get defined in the discussion of this (nearly continual) board argument. Can someone run a good campaign and lose? Can someone run a bad campaign and still win? If so, for either, give real-life examples [and show your work].

I think if you and Hutch answer those two questions (and follow one instructive statement), it will quickly be revealed you are debating different topics at heart.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 13, 2020, 05:13:53 pm
In essence NKOTB admits he believes if you win you ran the good campaign (or better) and if you lose a bad one (or a worse one)


Preposterous

A candidate can run a good campaign and lose and vice versa....it happens all the time! And it’s kind of like duh common sense.

But I have noticed in America people seem to subscribe to this idea...

Trump’s campaign was a shitshow meanwhile Hillary made a few unforced errors...but hey Hillary ran a bad campaign

To answer Julian Trump ran a bad campaign and still won: his fundraising, the RNC convention was weak compared to the Democrats, he was off message all the time, he went through like 3 Campaign Managers, lost every debate, and one could go on

One might resent Hillary but to objectively argue her campaign was worse than Trump’s beggars belief unless you don’t care what type of campaign a candidate ran and just conclude if they won=good lost=bad


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 13, 2020, 05:26:42 pm
But one could certainly argue Hillary was less likable than Trump as far as the American people are concerned


That is not the same as saying she ran a worse campaign than Trump

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2020, 05:42:40 pm
In essence NKOTB admits he believes if you win you ran the good campaign (or better) and if you lose a bad one (or a worse one)
I think that might be a bit more simplistic than NKOTB would put it but I agree its his argument.

In the abstract, I do think someone can run a much better campaign and still lose. I think there are lots of factors outside the power of a political campaign that are much bigger drivers than the specific quality of the campaign itself.

For example, John McCain (aside from his VP choice) ran a really good campaign in 2008. He also got pasted. This is not something I attribute to "well Obama and his campaign were so much savvier," rather it was more about the fact the economy went in the shitter 4 months before the election and one party was (pre-candidates being decided) much more fired up than the other and just the fact that we generally swap parties back and forth for the Presidency and it was the Dem's "turn".

I think my point is, I do not think "the campaign" is really the deciding factor in most elections -- its one of, like, ten things that factor in. Hutch, I think, also agrees with that. NKOTB does not. As I said, I think you're arguing different things when you say "the campaign was good/bad".

And all of that should be taken just as an esoteric, overarching view of elections, not commentary on 2016 in particular.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 13, 2020, 05:49:14 pm
I agree with Julian (except about McCain...picking Palin WAS the campaign and that was a pretty bad move*), but I think this boils down to 2016.  If HRC won't the popular vote by 3million but LOST because those votes weren't where they really mattered and her campaign actively chose NOT to focus on those states, I don't see how you can say it was anything but bad, even with Comey and misogyny, etc. etc.

But back to the topic at hand...AOC in 2028.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2020, 11:19:46 am
..AOC in 2028.
is that because she won't even be 35 in 2024
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 14, 2020, 11:27:17 am
..AOC in 2028.
is that because she won't even be 35 in 2024
#HeDidTheMath
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 14, 2020, 11:45:26 am
Yes, because I'm Yang Gang now.

Also, for as much as I love her, she's only been in office a year lol.  Let's give it time to make sure she has an impact and doesn't sell out.

..AOC in 2028.
is that because she won't even be 35 in 2024
#HeDidTheMath
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2020, 11:50:55 am
uh-oh...the tulsi endorsement...and kiss of death

Tulsi Gabbard🌺 @TulsiGabbard
I also met with @BernieSanders  before announcing my candidacy. We had a nice one-on-one conversation and I informed him that I would be running for President. In that meeting, he showed me the greatest respect and encouragement, just as he always has.

also...Lev's defense attorney. Joseph A. Bondy @josephabondy twiter feed is just troll-er-ific
quality content and snark
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2020, 12:11:43 pm
Both known Russian assets which should be a plus in the general
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2020, 12:13:48 pm
Both known Russian assets which should be a plus in the general
oh snap...shots fired

and if you have time to kill http://www.officialmikepence.com/  ...good stuff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2020, 12:30:21 pm
..AOC in 2028.
is that because she won't even be 35 in 2024
#HeDidTheMath

She'll be 35 before Election Day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2020, 01:00:02 pm
the podcast The Wilderness  with podsavethenation and obmaa speach writer Jon Favreau @jonfavs is awesome and highly recommended

although no baby yoda?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 15, 2020, 11:30:26 am
February looks to be a big month for the American voter to pay attention...or time for Team Trump to go Defcon 4 with distraction mode
Feb 2: Super Bowl (for the ads of course)...will trump attend?
Feb 3: Iowa caucuses
Feb 4: State of the Union
Feb 7: Debate
Feb 11: New Hampshire primary
Feb 19: Debate
Feb 22: Nevada caucus
Feb 25: Debate
Feb 29: South Carolina primary
+ An impeachment trial and stone and flynn sentencing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2020, 03:05:44 pm
Grr...FL supreme court is making it hard for my friends...the felons, vote

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/478620-florida-supreme-court-rules-convicted-felons-must-pay-fines-fees-before

gotta pay the man, before voting
seems poll-taxy to me.

Maybe some wealthy dem will just pay all their tabs...not holding my breath
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2020, 03:19:36 pm
maybe julian for the future VP??

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/01/16/joe-biden-says-hell-commit-resources-needed-to-win-texas

Biden said ...  Beto ... and Julian Castro, t.. would consider Texas’ favorite sons as his running mates or members of his cabinet.

althought this is where the plan goes off the rails

But then Biden revealed something ...“I’m going to get in trouble for saying this,” he said. “I’m an Eagles fan. ”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2020, 03:34:00 pm
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1217864280126775297


Matt Pearce 🦅
@mattdpearce
Hard to overstate how unpredictable talking to voters can be: Melissa from Algona, Iowa, caucused for Bernie in 2016, then voted for a Trump; she supports Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg, but will likely vote for Trump again if Buttigieg doesn’t win the Dem nomination.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2020, 03:40:31 pm
Eagles fan?

I think that’s not a reveal but a joke

There is no doubt the VP should be a African American woman in her early 50s

I will be surprised if there isn’t something agreed with Kamala

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2020, 03:57:09 pm
Eagles fan?

I think that’s not a reveal but a joke

There is no doubt the VP should be a African American woman in her early 50s

I will be surprised if there isn’t something agreed with Kamala
well he is also trying to get the Penn vote ...but I'd go with the Steelers then
and yes Kamala should be his pick, although she really should be our next AG
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 16, 2020, 03:58:12 pm
Reminds me of this gem from a recent Emerson poll: https://twitter.com/eldon_katz/status/1207574401522135040

Avg % of each of the top 4 candidates' supporters who'll back Trump against one of the other 3

Buttigieg supporters 12%
Warren supporters 10%
Biden supporters 9%
Sanders supporters 4%

Fucking Buttigieg Bros...

https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1217864280126775297


Matt Pearce 🦅
@mattdpearce
Hard to overstate how unpredictable talking to voters can be: Melissa from Algona, Iowa, caucused for Bernie in 2016, then voted for a Trump; she supports Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg, but will likely vote for Trump again if Buttigieg doesn’t win the Dem nomination.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 16, 2020, 03:59:01 pm
Matt Pearce 🦅
@mattdpearce
Hard to overstate how unpredictable talking to voters can be: Melissa from Algona, Iowa, caucused for Bernie in 2016, then voted for a Trump; she supports Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg, but will likely vote for Trump again if Buttigieg doesn’t win the Dem nomination.
Melissa from Algona needs to get a hold of her life. Jesus.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2020, 04:00:21 pm
The guy was born in Scranton, moved to DE before he was a teenager and is the most recognizable man in the state.

How could he not be an Eagles fan?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2020, 04:05:29 pm
Fucking Buttigieg Bros...

Yeah, those guys....


I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 16, 2020, 04:09:58 pm
Considering 12% is more than 4%, I'll say yeah...those guys

Yeah, those guys....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2020, 04:14:43 pm
Anyone who is not 100% behind the nomination over Trump is "Those guys!"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 16, 2020, 04:31:01 pm
Agreed that its 3x the fault of Buttigieg supports
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 17, 2020, 12:22:26 pm
Hey bernie bros....the Don's got your back!

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
They are rigging the election again against Bernie Sanders, just like last time, only even more obviously. They are bringing him out of so important Iowa in order that, as a Senator, he sit through the Impeachment Hoax Trial. Crazy Nancy thereby gives the strong edge to Sleepy.......Joe Biden, and Bernie is shut out again. Very unfair, but that’s the way the Democrats play the game. Anyway, it’s a lot of fun to watch!


So let me get this straight, the DNC planed to have the Trump do some crimey things, that we found out in Sept, then did the inquiry and timed it perfectly to make sure that Bernie couldn't campaign in Iowa
Dang the DNC is soo crafty, shame they can't use those smarts to win elections
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 17, 2020, 01:16:48 pm
Grr...FL supreme court is making it hard for my friends...the felons, vote

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/478620-florida-supreme-court-rules-convicted-felons-must-pay-fines-fees-before

gotta pay the man, before voting
seems poll-taxy to me.

Maybe some wealthy dem will just pay all their tabs...not holding my breath

Hey man...don't steal my idea with out giving me credit!
Robert Reich@RBReich
What if — and hear me out here — Bloomberg and Steyer used the $220 million+ they’re spending on TV ads to pay off the fines and fees now keeping hundreds of thousands of Floridians from the polls in 2020?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 18, 2020, 09:18:51 am
I had not seen this before

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds?fbclid=IwAR3M9hbi2a6aC7atJmxp9nAKUE8AqSeAwSrJs320m6tVZLRFNVsSaiuShDQ
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 18, 2020, 06:24:31 pm
As someone that did vote for HRC over Trump (I'm not fully insane, gang) I do think they number stinks.  But you have to ask how that compares to past elections.  This was pretty eye opening though i think that for anyone that blames Bernie for Trumps victory it wont move the needle:

"Moreover, defections from a primary to general election are common. More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

I had not seen this before

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds?fbclid=IwAR3M9hbi2a6aC7atJmxp9nAKUE8AqSeAwSrJs320m6tVZLRFNVsSaiuShDQ
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 20, 2020, 11:24:27 am
NYT with 2 endorsements?  but nice they are giving Klobuchar much needed bump of attention


The board identified Klobuchar, who has struggled to break out and join the top tier of candidates, as “a standard-bearer for the Democratic center” and reasoned that “the best chance to enact progressive plans could be under a Klobuchar administration.” It said Klobuchar would be a deal maker who could unite the liberal and moderate wings of the party — and possibly bring the entire country together.

 “t’s far too early to count Ms. Klobuchar out,” the board said. “Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democrat nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.”

dissed Biden pretty hard
The board dismissed former Vice President Joe Biden’s lead in national polls as “a measure of familiarity as much as voter intention,” arguing that “merely restoring the status quo will not get America where it needs to go as a society” and insisted he pass the torch to a new generation of leaders.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 20, 2020, 11:30:32 am
Endorsing both Warren and Klobuchar, who I would argue have pretty diametrically opposed platforms, is so peak 2020 it's breathtaking.

For the life of me, I really can't understand why the media is trying to make Klobuchar happen.  What about her has these people so desperate to see her rise in the polls?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 20, 2020, 11:45:40 am
Maybe the fact neither Bernie nor Warren has a prayer and four more years of Trump could be the end of a free media?

I don’t know...just spitballing here
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 20, 2020, 11:59:30 am
Aside from the fact that you're wrong...what does she have that Biden or Mayor Pete don't?  I think Pete is an absolute disaster, but he's polling way higher than Klobuchar is.  And Biden has the polling numbers already.

I'm genuinely curious!  I've seen a lot of articles or talk before each debate that it's Amy's time to shine and it never happens, or articles begging voters to take a second look.  What are they seeing that the voters aren't?  And if their goal and belief is to stop Bernie/Warren (let's say), why not go with someone (like Biden or Pete) that actually have support?

Maybe the fact neither Bernie nor Warren has a prayer and four more years of Trump could be the end of a free media?

I don’t know...just spitballing here
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 20, 2020, 12:03:02 pm
Aside from the fact that you're wrong...what does she have that Biden or Mayor Pete don't? 

I'd say the biggest thing Amy doesn't have is $$$$

 2020 Ad spending #s

Bloomberg: $235,543,844
Steyer: $149,727,295
Trump: $41,150,887
Buttigieg: $26,059,413
Sanders: $24,614,920
Warren: $15,774,869
Yang: $11,278,501
Biden: $9,118,760
Klobuchar: $6,875,507
Gabbard: $3,716,312
Bennet: $1,576,251
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 20, 2020, 12:09:57 pm
That's kind of what I mean...I'd argue that ad spending is directly related to money raised (duh, except for billionaire dipshits like Bloomberg and Steyer), and money raised is directly tied to support, right?  So if she's not raising money...and Pete/Biden are, why try to boost her?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 20, 2020, 12:29:07 pm
Well she is not bordering on senility or is running on the experience of being in charge of a little village? I would say that’s something
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 20, 2020, 12:36:00 pm
LOL yeah, I guess that's a good call.  I do find her infinitely more palatable than Pete. Just seems like they're trying to make fetch happen here.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 20, 2020, 12:38:01 pm
Just seems like they're trying to make fetch happen here.
watch it buddy...getting ready to cross a line where there's no going back

I think she should go with the campaign slogan she used in High School  "All the Way with Amy K."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 20, 2020, 12:45:36 pm
Well obviously anybody supporting anyone other than Bernie must have their motives questioned and be discredited.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 20, 2020, 12:51:56 pm
why try to boost her?

Not that I'm a Kerry fan ....but it's important to state this again
“Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democrat nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 20, 2020, 12:58:08 pm
You're projecting again.  I can completely understand why someone would support Warren or Biden...I just feel there's a better candidate and like to talk about why I feel that way.

And I'm not discrediting anyone that supports Klobuchar or questioning their motives.  The media seems to really want it to happen and I have to assume I'm missing something...I don't see any daylight policy-wise to differentiate her from Biden, and polling/money raised seems to indicate one has support and the other doesn't.  I'd like to understand it.

Back to the endorsement, though.  I can't see that how that helps anyone but Klobuchar and Bernie tbph.  It might drive folks supporting Biden or Warren to her in enough numbers to drive their support down, but I can't see it doing that in enough numbers to counter Bernie's latest surging.  And given of the left/progressive skepticism of Warren already, lumping her in with Klobuchar probably reinforces that to some folks.

Well obviously anybody supporting anyone other than Bernie must have their motives questioned and be discredited.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 20, 2020, 12:58:27 pm
Sure, but how did that turn out?  ;D

why try to boost her?

Not that I'm a Kerry fan ....but it's important to state this again
“Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democrat nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 20, 2020, 01:32:47 pm
Sure, but how did that turn out?  ;D

why try to boost her?

Not that I'm a Kerry fan ....but it's important to state this again
“Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democrat nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.”
I was more for Clark or Dean...always thought Kerry was not going be enough to beat a post 9-11 bush
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 20, 2020, 01:40:55 pm
Nice to see...(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOvCjqSX4AArqL3?format=jpg&name=small)
Is bloomberg there, you just can't see him?
tulsi made it too
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOvQ4WkWAAA4NLY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Even Deval showed up...can't find Mike
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOwGQyUUUAA3DHk?format=jpg&name=900x900)
how come Tom Styer brought his wife but no one else brought a partner?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 20, 2020, 04:02:05 pm
I don't think there has been a time in my life where I've been like "I love my state government"
but man...the VA dems are just tickling me pink this January

The VA Senate just passed SB 111 to allow no-excuse absentee voting.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 21, 2020, 11:53:12 am
Hmmm, this seems divisive!

Clinton says 'nobody likes' Sanders and won't commit to backing him if he's the Democratic nominee
 (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-documentary/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-01-21T13%3A50%3A02&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social)

Anyone who is not 100% behind the nomination over Trump is "Those guys!"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2020, 12:05:23 pm
Hmmm, this seems divisive!

Clinton says 'nobody likes' Sanders and won't commit to backing him if he's the Democratic nominee
 (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-documentary/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-01-21T13%3A50%3A02&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social)

Anyone who is not 100% behind the nomination over Trump is "Those guys!"
I wanted to cringe when I saw this headline Hillary Clinton on Bernie Sanders: "Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him"
IMO is she shouldn't be saying this kind of stuff, only support or shut it.  We need unity, not division.

but I will end with this...it is true
he has very little support within the Democratic establishment.
he can wear it as a badge of honor...to his detriment
He too needs to build bridges and compromise with his own team if he want the nomination of the party
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 21, 2020, 12:28:23 pm
Nobody likes YOU, Hillary. You're projecting more than Regal Cinemas. Just like Trump does.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 21, 2020, 12:28:35 pm
Depends on how you define "nobody likes"...we either take the word of an establishment that is PAINFULLY unpopular, or we take the word of voters:

* He has about 1.6 million individual donations this quarter alone and is nearing a goal of five million total contributions. (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/30/because-small-donations-sanders-out-raised-literally-everyone-else-field-2019)

* 76% favorablility vs. 17% unfavorability (https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/)

* Largest rally of primary to date (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/19/bernie-sanders-ocasio-cortez-endorsement-rally-051491)

If we're talking about winning elections, I know which side I'd choose. 

That said...that's not really the point, is it?  I thought we were supposed to be a united front here?  I thought this kind of rhetoric was solely the domain of Bernie Bros, who are the only ones responsible for Trump?  I'm just floored here!!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2020, 12:32:00 pm
I thought this kind of rhetoric was solely the domain of Bernie Bros, who are the only ones responsible for Trump?
took a while, but we finally got NKOTB to admit it
Well done boys, our work is done here

also
* Largest rally of primary to date (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/19/bernie-sanders-ocasio-cortez-endorsement-rally-051491)
You know this number is mostly due to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez being there...in NYC no less
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 21, 2020, 12:33:18 pm
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I thought this kind of rhetoric was solely the domain of Bernie Bros, who are the only ones responsible for Trump?
took a while, but we finally got NKOTB to admit it
Well done boys, our work is done here
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 21, 2020, 12:51:59 pm
As divisive as this?


https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-joe-biden-corruption-oped/index.html


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 21, 2020, 01:05:35 pm
LOL  you mean Bernie apologizing for something a surrogate said and stressing that he doesn't think Biden is corrupt?  Seems like that's a drive toward unity!

As divisive as this?


https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-joe-biden-corruption-oped/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 21, 2020, 01:07:39 pm
Also, Zephyr is 100% correct and Trump will eat Biden alive for this stuff with Hunter.  I personally don't give a shit...the world works on nepotism and while I'd rather support someone that bucks this trend, it's dumb to pretend it doesn't exist.  But it's Hillary's emails all over again...a completely stupid controversy that will is 100% avoidable and will 100% be weaponized in the general.  Seems like we shouldn't repeat history IMO!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2020, 01:38:50 pm
But it's Hillary's emails all over again...a completely stupid controversy that will is 100% avoidable and will 100% be weaponized in the general.  Seems like we shouldn't repeat history IMO!
So you don't think who ever gets the nom won't have some weaponized illegitimate attack plastered all over social media...then regurgitated by the regular media....only to a few hours/days be debunked..but most people not paying attention...will miss and think this is a fact

So when the (deep fake) footage of Bernie visiting Stalin's grave and kissing the tomb gets out there, how will that be different
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 21, 2020, 02:18:01 pm
Of course its silly to think they won't throw everything at the nominee.  But just like the emails, we know about it now.  Why set things up for failure again?  It's obviously not valid for anyone with a brain, but Trump ran and won on being anti-establishment & draining the swamp.  His true believers are going to continue to believe that (again, despite the reality we live in!), and Biden & Hunter represent that 100%.  And the media loves to play the both sides cared, so they certainly won't help.  Seems like an own goal pushing him to be the nominee but what do I know?

But it's Hillary's emails all over again...a completely stupid controversy that will is 100% avoidable and will 100% be weaponized in the general.  Seems like we shouldn't repeat history IMO!
So you don't think who ever gets the nom won't have some weaponized illegitimate attack plastered all over social media...then regurgitated by the regular media....only to a few hours/days be debunked..but most people not paying attention...will miss and think this is a fact

So when the (deep fake) footage of Bernie visiting Stalin's grave and kissing the tomb gets out there, how will that be different
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 22, 2020, 11:36:34 am
* Largest rally of primary to date (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/19/bernie-sanders-ocasio-cortez-endorsement-rally-051491)
You know this number is mostly due to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez being there...in NYC no less
obviously if it works...keep doing it
Sanders’ campaign was the first to reschedule events, announcing on Tuesday that progressive firebrand U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, known as AOC, would replace him at two rallies in the crucial early nominating state of Iowa while he serves as a juror during the Republican president’s trial in the Senate.

Also she is now being the bulldog on attacking Biden...not surprising, but I'm not really sure it's going to help...but only start more in-fighting

but he's got Don's support
@realDonaldTrump
They are taking the nomination away from Bernie for a second time. Rigged!



And I'm still really miffed by Hillary and her comments, I'm not a bernie-bro...but that shit was lame and not helping

in related news: Tulsi Gabbard sues Clinton for defamation over "Russian asset" comment
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 22, 2020, 03:25:04 pm
"Gabbard’s campaign also published the complaint, which states, "Tulsi Gabbard is running for President of the United States, a position Clinton has long coveted, but has not been able to attain.""

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-for-defamation-over-russian-asset-comments/?fbclid=IwAR2yvK8iz_HTZa0WJBTjzsaxu2M3ptVmhjxaEuBHyYBShrcEvqSCDRfNk98

in related news: Tulsi Gabbard sues Clinton for defamation over "Russian asset" comment
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 23, 2020, 11:14:46 am
really seems  like Mini is getting under his skin
He's doing lots of ads on Fox and that doesn't make our dear leader happy

Wonder if he'll pressure fox to not air Bloombergs ads


In related news, Trump set a new personal record yesterday
he tweeted 142 times in a single day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 23, 2020, 11:20:45 am
He's obviously an insane lunatic who's life couldn't be more different than mine.  That said, shirking work to tweet all day? that's pretty relatable

In related news, Trump set a new personal record yesterday
he tweeted 142 times in a single day.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on January 23, 2020, 12:09:32 pm
"Politics . . . is show business, for ugly people."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 23, 2020, 01:31:43 pm
He's obviously an insane lunatic who's life couldn't be more different than mine.  That said, shirking work to tweet all day? that's pretty relatable

In related news, Trump set a new personal record yesterday
he tweeted 142 times in a single day.


oh man...that's going to be his new campaign
I'm just like you, spreading memes that lack facts or taste.  Sending out awful tweets all day long and insulting people and any media that differs from me
trust only me... I'm just like you...so essentially you should trust you
 Trump 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 23, 2020, 01:37:28 pm
I will say, Bernie does get the best musical acts
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fconsequenceofsound.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F01%2FBernie-2020-Caucus-Concerts.jpg%3Fquality%3D80&f=1&nofb=1)
even though he probably has no idea who they are
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 23, 2020, 01:41:05 pm
Think about it:

Holding a grudge for no reason to the point you have your pals hide your imagined enemy's name?: https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-wanted-uss-john-mccain-out-of-sight-during-trump-japan-visit-11559173470

Cancelling an event because it's raining and you don't want to get wet? https://apnews.com/52462add34fd45ecb16319b564045d61

He's just like me!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 23, 2020, 01:43:56 pm
My biggest disagreements with Bernie: his vote on FOSTA/SESTA and when he called Phish one of the great bands in this country. Almost disqualifying...

I will say, Bernie does get the best musical acts
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fconsequenceofsound.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F01%2FBernie-2020-Caucus-Concerts.jpg%3Fquality%3D80&f=1&nofb=1)
even though he probably has no idea who they are
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 23, 2020, 01:44:24 pm
I'm waiting for Hutch...."well bernie and trump are very similar, so this tracks"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 23, 2020, 01:45:53 pm
My biggest disagreements with Bernie: ....when he called Phish one of the great bands in this country. Almost disqualifying...
hmm...VT senator ....kinda has to say that
...but this changes everything for me...what a freakin deplorable
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 23, 2020, 01:49:20 pm
Gonna need a rally with Pissed Jeans or Hot Snakes or someone to cancel that out.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 23, 2020, 02:06:13 pm
man this is good
https://youtu.be/yoWqwtGs1S8

I think bloomberg should just run this as an ad on Fox
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 24, 2020, 04:15:02 pm
Welp as the saying goes
As goes joe rogan, so goes country

Tacit endorsement from the newest Bernie bro
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 25, 2020, 05:07:02 pm
This will absolutely move more voters than the NYT endorsement lol

Welp as the saying goes
As goes joe rogan, so goes country

Tacit endorsement from the newest Bernie bro
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 31, 2020, 09:42:48 am
Goodnight sweet prince

(https://media.giphy.com/media/SpoR79h8ZmeOnGg9T0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 11:54:33 am
damn that's a great gif
his only footnote in this primary was he was the FIRST to enter
yet no one even knew he was running
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 03:35:16 pm
welp, guess it's time to give up on that impeachment thread...

so I think this will make for an interesting debate

DNC shifts debate requirements, opening door for Bloomberg
The committee is eliminating the donor threshold, which had functionally barred Bloomberg from the stage.


I don't love everything about Blooming Mike, but I do believe he is the ONLY one of the remaining candidates that I think can go toe to toe on the debate stage and not look weak against Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 31, 2020, 03:53:12 pm
The DNC refusing to change the rules to get more diversity on the debate stage, but happily doing it a billionaire who hung around Ghislaine Maxwell and spoke at the Republic National convention is *chef kissing fingers* so on-brand. 

Hatch, just curious...what about Bloomberg makes you think he'd be able to stand up to Trump.  Genuinely curious.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 04:01:18 pm
Hatch, just curious...what about Bloomberg makes you think he'd be able to stand up to Trump.  Genuinely curious.
I've heard him talk and he knows how to throw a punch.  Sadly dems don't know how to throw punches.  And when you are going aginst Trump...ya gotta be unafraid to play tough

Again...I'm kinda on the fence on the lil guy...

I mean what a great ad with the dogs (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bloomberg-s-dogs-fur-mike-ad-seizes-on-his-odd-canine-encounters/ar-BBZsxhO)
who doesn't love dogs...Even MAGA's love dogs

Quote
spoke at the Republic National convention
while personally that is a little revolting, he was a Republican...but let's be clear a NY republican is MUCH different that one from IA or AL
again with the #willvotebluenomatterwho seems to make sense to get someone who appeals to fiscal conservatives as we already locked in most of the Dem vote
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 31, 2020, 04:35:58 pm
The DNC refusing to change the rules to get more diversity on the debate stage,
We literally had five debates that had to be multi day so every jackboot yokel with 3 followers could pitch. Stop this shit. Bernie Bros are the fucking worst.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 31, 2020, 04:40:17 pm
IMO, their rules were clear...if Booker or Tulsi didn't make the stage, get a better platform so people support you.  I think it was a bullshit claim that the terms were unfair...they were unfair if your policies sucked.

But the whole uproar was about "lack of diversity" when those two didn't make it (hell, Yang pointed it out when he was the last POC standing) and the DNC didn't budge...then immediately does because Bloomberg won't make the cut.  Pathetic scumbags

The DNC refusing to change the rules to get more diversity on the debate stage,
We literally had five debates that had to be multi day so every jackboot yokel with 3 followers could pitch. Stop this shit. Bernie Bros are the fucking worst.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 31, 2020, 04:48:56 pm
The current DNC rules were written by Bernie!!

Do some research NKOTB cause you continue to embarrass yourself
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 31, 2020, 04:53:33 pm
Typical divisiveness from the anti-Bernie camp.  When will you apologize for your behavior???

Look, the rules were the rules no matter who wrote them...I don't care. Personally i think they should've been stricter so I didn't have to listen to some of these bores.  But for the DNC to decide to throw portions out to include Bloomberg...well, I can't fault anyone that claims they're corrupt!

The current DNC rules were written by Bernie!!

Do some research NKOTB cause you continue to embarrass yourself
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 31, 2020, 04:55:09 pm
Divisive?

Like 1 in 10 Bernie primary 2016 voters voting Trump?

Dude you are full of shit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 31, 2020, 04:58:21 pm
1) something like 24% of HRC voters went for McCain over Obama, and he still won. 

2) I voted for HRC so my conscious is clear.

Why do you continue to split the party, Hutch????
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 05:05:11 pm
Like 1 in 10 Bernie primary 2016 voters voting Trump?
that's some bullshit that these were getable voters tho
you make it like Bernie told them to vote for trump
Some of bernie voters were the 'shake shit up' kind of voter who were not ever voting for Hil
Hil had to appeal to them or increase the base and she didn't

I do think that a lot of people sat out in key states because they thought Hil was going to crush...and her not focusing on the key battleground states was of her own making
I don't know who the key players were in her campaign, but they should all not be working as they suck at their job


Also, Bloomberg is polling better than 20 of the other people who were running and got on the stage
I do think that should stand for something.
I'm not daft an know he kind of bought that name recognition
It is odd situation that he doesn't have any donations and is self funded so he couldn't qualify
don't even thought this was an option
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 07:13:07 pm
some good news out of VA
Just passed  no excuse absentee voting!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on January 31, 2020, 08:51:56 pm
Believe it or not, i agree with you.  I have no love for Bloomberg (billionaire, stop & frisk, etc etc.), but he's polling nationally higher than Buttigieg, Yang or Klobuchar.

That said, this is a DIRECT QUOTE from Tom Perez when asked about relaxing debate rules to increase diversity on the debate stage:

"But we made the rules, they were very transparent, they're very inclusive, and we can't change the rules midstream because there's a candidate that I wish were on but didn't make the debate stage."

And he's right!  They're clear and transparent from day 1.  Bloomberg knows this and still opted to self-fund.  So why the sudden change?  I'll tell you why:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sanders-leads-in-iowa-polls-ahead-of-caucuses-followed-by-biden-buttigieg-then-warren-2020-01-30

Also, Bloomberg is polling better than 20 of the other people who were running and got on the stage
I do think that should stand for something.
I'm not daft an know he kind of bought that name recognition
It is odd situation that he doesn't have any donations and is self funded so he couldn't qualify
don't even thought this was an option
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 01, 2020, 12:09:46 am
At this point, it might actually be an advantage to not be on the stage.  Well, as long Dems continue to eat their own, having some distance from that can be spun into a positive.

Well, at least until they all turn on you and you can't defend yourself.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 02:09:32 am
1) something like 24% of HRC voters went for McCain over Obama, and he still won. 

2) I voted for HRC so my conscious is clear.

Why do you continue to split the party, Hutch????

24% of people who voted for Hillary voted McCain?

Where is the evidence? I call bullshit

But even if that’s so they didn’t cost Obama the presidency like Bernie voters cost HRC and gave us Trump. Own it

And the sad thing is when Bernie loses I doubt his supporters will support the nominee...they have become far more cult like since the last go around

As for your claim you voted for Hillary...I doubt it...and your “conscious”  whatever that is will always be clear as long as you continue to believe the drivel you post....the fact is nobody had more say in the current rules than Bernie and yet you continue with this DNC bogeyman crap
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 02:12:04 am
To be clear: I await your evidence that millions of Hillary voters in the 2008 primaries voted for McCain
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 01, 2020, 02:18:44 am
As for your claim you voted for Hillary...I doubt it...and your “conscious”  whatever that is will always be clear as long as you continue to believe the drivel you post....the fact is nobody had more say in the current rules than Bernie and yet you continue with this DNC bogeyman crap

hutch, dude... when you sober up in the morning, please re-read the above then ask yourself if that's the kind of "debate" that moves anything in a positive direction. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 02:31:09 am
Sorry to say I am perfectly sober

We have been having the same debate since HRC lost

These primaries will decide it once and for all

But I have had it with the Bernie people
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 02:54:08 am
I can’t believe how people put down Bloomberg for being rich...the guy uses his money for good things

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bloomberg+donation+to+hopkins&view=detail&mid=675BD2B2F192438E045E675BD2B2F192438E045E&FORM=VIRE

He has also been very involved with gun issues

I like him


Someone recently told me Bloomberg is bombarding the airwaves on Latino TV stations with campaign ads...everyone else ignores them...some of the other candidates have a lot of other people’s money they could spend doing the same...they don’t while Bloomberg spends his own
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 03:17:38 am
Unity from Bernie folk

https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisjollyhale/status/1223442238509850624
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 01, 2020, 09:03:34 am
And the sad thing is when Bernie loses I doubt his supporters will support the nominee...they have become far more cult like since the last go around
So let's be clear, Bernie does not have a small # of supporters at this point
and to paint that group as one monolith single hive mind is not really the reality
He definitely has the ultra left wing and young vote
there are surely a percentage of them that are Bern or bust, but I'd say that is less than 10% of that
He also is likely to win the first 3 primaries

So every time you insult the bernie supporters, you are pissing off the 90% who would #votebluenomatterwho
those other 10% are not gettable votes, if bernie doesn't win, they won't vote or write him in
give up on them
but stop insulting the other 90%

With all of that said, I blame the DNC for not changing things with this stupid primary
the presidential election is ONLY about one thing...the Electoral college
The DNC should have reorganized super Tuesday to be just the battle ground states
We need a candidate who can win in those states...and that's it

Fuck Iowa ...what a waste of time and money
and don't get me started on the stupidity of Caucuses.  Sound great on paper, but a surefire way to DECREASE voter turn out...and the ones that do tend to be a bit extreme

Why does the DNC think this set up is the holy tenant of how things get done
You would have thought with the way things were looking early on in 2019...they could have just said...OK, fuck how we did this before, we need to win the EC, we need a candidate who can win in Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan,  Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina
So we're going to push these states up in the Primary to go FIRST and the campaigns should ONLY focus on these states


So our current super tue at least has MI, NC AZ and FL   
That they put  GA, PA and WI after super tues...after what we already know...

ultimately what's done is done...but I am pretty confident that if Trump wins, it is because we didn't change the primary to focus on the who can win the battle ground states
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 01, 2020, 09:40:11 am
I'm tired of talking about stupid HRC (I know, I know I'm to blame here as well!) and there's a primary to win so I'll turn back my focus there.  Plus, Rashida Tlaib put a better capper on this last night than I ever could :)

24% of people who voted for Hillary voted McCain?

Where is the evidence? I call bullshit

LOL I literally posted this the last time you brought up Bernie supporters that went for Trump.  Try googling "Hillary Clinton PUMA" t0 remind yourself how 2008 went down:

As someone that did vote for HRC over Trump (I'm not fully insane, gang) I do think that number stinks.  But you have to ask how that compares to past elections.  This was pretty eye opening though i think that for anyone that blames Bernie for Trumps victory it wont move the needle:

"Moreover, defections from a primary to general election are common. More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

I had not seen this before

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds?fbclid=IwAR3M9hbi2a6aC7atJmxp9nAKUE8AqSeAwSrJs320m6tVZLRFNVsSaiuShDQ

But even if that’s so they didn’t cost Obama the presidency like Bernie voters cost HRC and gave us Trump. Own it

This is because Obama, for his faults, is a winner. HRC is a loser.

As for your claim you voted for Hillary...I doubt it...and your “conscious”  whatever that is will always be clear as long as you continue to believe the drivel you post

See above. 

the fact is nobody had more say in the current rules than Bernie and yet you continue with this DNC bogeyman crap

Maybe it's the fact that they changed those rules to include Bloomberg that folks are in an uproar. These are the same rules that couldn't be amended previous because doing so would "be putting our thumb on the scale" according to Tom Perez.  Why was changing the rules to include a climate only debate putting your thumb on the scale, but throwing out the established, agreed upon threshold for donations to include Bloomberg not?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 11:27:21 am
I am bored but it’s remarkable you cite a study that literally blames Bernie supporters for Trump winning. I am not sure how much stock to put on it as a whole.....They do not blame Hillary supporters for Obama losing. And it was very different to vote for McCain in 2008 knowing he had zero chance than voting Trump in 2016 - knowing what he represented- and that it was close...


Done with this....let’s see Iowa...everyone seems to be predicting a Bernie landslide (no am not trying to create expectations just saying what I see and hear)

How will the failed impeachment play in Iowa is a new X factor

I would be fine with Bernie beating Trump. Would be a great thing...and I would definitely support Bernie although voting for someone is hardly enough. I made calls for Kerry, donated to Obama (who I strongly supported in primaries over HRC and canvassed for), canvassed and donated to HRC....this is in the general

When people say they would vote for someone and that’s it I just don’t think it’s enough.....there is a whole campaign

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 01, 2020, 11:49:28 am
1) something like 24% of HRC voters went for McCain over Obama, and he still won. 

2) I voted for HRC so my conscious is clear.

Why do you continue to split the party, Hutch????

24% of people who voted for Hillary voted McCain?

Where is the evidence? I call bullshit

But even if that’s so they didn’t cost Obama the presidency like Bernie voters cost HRC and gave us Trump. Own it

And the sad thing is when Bernie loses I doubt his supporters will support the nominee...they have become far more cult like since the last go around

As for your claim you voted for Hillary...I doubt it...and your “conscious”  whatever that is will always be clear as long as you continue to believe the drivel you post....the fact is nobody had more say in the current rules than Bernie and yet you continue with this DNC bogeyman crap

15% according to CNN

Exit polling also showed that Democrats who supported Sen. Hillary Clinton during the primaries overwhelming voted for Obama in the general election, 84 percent to 15 percent for McCain.

https://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 12:58:06 pm
15% seems probable or possible...


I just think saying 24% is crazy...I don’t expect NKOTB to accept his number was bull or to accept Hillary did not cost Obama the presidency while Bernie did cost Hillary the presidency


I think voting doesn’t take place in a vacuum

We knew Trump was a threat...We knew Obama would beat McCain

I noticed NKOTB called Hillary a loser......the real loser was the American people including NKOTB and I
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 01:14:39 pm
Iowa: are we waiting on the final Des Moines Register poll? Tomorrow, right?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 01, 2020, 03:18:18 pm
15% seems probable or possible...


I just think saying 24% is crazy...I don’t expect NKOTB to accept his number was bull or to accept Hillary did not cost Obama the presidency while Bernie did cost Hillary the presidency


I think voting doesn’t take place in a vacuum

We knew Trump was a threat...We knew Obama would beat McCain

I noticed NKOTB called Hillary a loser......the real loser was the American people including NKOTB and I

I got that CNN link from this article, which does address the 24 figure.:

https://medium.com/@jriddle/the-12-bernie-to-trump-figure-and-24-clinton-to-mccain-figure-comes-from-brian-schaffner-of-the-9905971c9f45

It also says:

Note: In general, 7–10% of self-identified Democrats will vote for the Republican candidate and vice-versa — that’s the usual level of crossover voting in a modern presidential election.

So we need a candidate who is going to not only bring out the apathetic voter, but also keep the Democratic flippers, and capture the Republican flippers.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2020, 11:55:46 pm
Wow...no poll which is great


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/us/politics/des-moines-register-polls-iowa-caucus.html#click=https://t.co/pX73sECPeA
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 02, 2020, 12:12:29 am
The naivety is just astounding.

The reason the only 6 states that matter DON'T go first, despite Florida and Michigan's attempts, is because the party's Cash cow is the coasts.

That's why the debates are so depressing and a battle for the coastal votes - Money.

Without money, no candidate gets out of the primary, and without money, nobody beats Trump.  But don't worry, come Wednesday, even the coastal money might not matter.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on February 02, 2020, 01:31:49 am
If the human race, put this much effort and thought into curing diseases, ending starvation, fixing the environment, exploring the cosmos, understanding dna and why the mind only uses less than 10% of it's capacity, connecting the consciousness with meta physicality . . . .

. . . . Instead of wagging your mental dicks at each other attempting to prove that yours is somehow bigger when it comes to  what you feel is correct with politics, we might actually accomplish something on the time period we have with this planet.  But instead, you would rather bore the air around you with the facts that you are nothing more than self importance; nothing more than a waste of any time or space; nothing more than rejection that can't realize you'll never matter.

It must be sad, to take politics that seriously, because it doesn't take you for anything but a fool. 

Enjoy, your teets of boredomness.  The future is not yours, to grasp.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 02, 2020, 02:40:14 pm
But don't worry, come Wednesday, even the coastal money might not matter.
2/5?
don't we already know the results of the impeachment, what will actually announcing it do...other than give tump another "No ---"

to take politics that seriously
for the record, I can chew gum AND walk at the same timer
I'm also especially good a compartmentalizing
I'm happy, don't worry about me.
But it's also sad to not take seriously some of the seriously fucked up shit that is going on.

Personally, there are very few places where I discuss politics at all
It's fairly infrequent
I'm a 'know your audience' kinda guy on most topics.  Most people have very little interest in talking at the level I do.
So it's pretty much here and one or two people I see every once in a while
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2020, 08:15:45 pm
More Americans should take politics seriously! I mean our democracy has been taken from us, we are destroying the planet and we are in fascism territory but hey.......Super Bowl! Beer! Nachos!

Maybe if we had taken politics more seriously when Trump was running in 2016 he wouldn’t be President? Did you do everything you could to help elect Hillary?


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 03, 2020, 08:54:54 am
Today is the day!

A Biden bust would really help Bloomberg


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 03, 2020, 09:29:50 am
Thought this was interesting...

Not only did they again have to exclude donations to Bernie from the map to show the second place folks, but in calculating the number of states in which a candidate has the most donors:

Joe Biden: 1 (his home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Elizabeth Warren: 1 (her home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Pete Buttigieg: 1 (his home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Amy Klobuchar: 1 (her home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Bernie Sanders: 46

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/01/us/politics/democratic-presidential-campaign-donors.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 03, 2020, 09:41:39 am
Thought this was interesting...

Not only did they again have to exclude donations to Bernie from the map to show the second place folks, but in calculating the number of states in which a candidate has the most donors:

Joe Biden: 1 (his home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Elizabeth Warren: 1 (her home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Pete Buttigieg: 1 (his home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Amy Klobuchar: 1 (her home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Bernie Sanders: 46

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/01/us/politics/democratic-presidential-campaign-donors.html

Piece of advice...unless you want to start getting 10 texts a day begging you for more money, don't ever give to Bernie.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 03, 2020, 10:22:06 am
Piece of advice...unless you want to start getting 10 texts a day begging you for more money, don't ever give to Bernie.
just give them Hutch's number, he'll love you for it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 03, 2020, 10:26:08 am
LOL to both of those posts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 03, 2020, 10:41:24 am
you know what really pisses me off about caucuses
peer pressure


Have been on the fence with Mike...but this by far is his most compelling argument
"While I was mayor, the Giants won twice and the Yankees won a World Championship, and no New York team has won since I left office."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 03, 2020, 02:19:22 pm
Ok...I'm calling it....I predict a Bernie Sanders victory in Iowa
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 03, 2020, 03:21:44 pm
So you're NOT coming to the weekly canvassing I host for Bernie in Alexandria?

I am sure NKOTB put in a lot of effort on behalf of Hillary and I think I will do the same on behalf of Bernie if he is the nominee. I will certainly match his contributions to the Hillary campaign dollar for dollar.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 03, 2020, 03:42:08 pm
Talk to me when Bernie is the nominee but I canvassed in Arlington for Hillary in the general last time..how was your experience canvassing for her in Alexandria?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 03, 2020, 04:04:13 pm
So you're NOT coming to the weekly canvassing I host for Bernie in Alexandria?
...is this the new 'Send Julian to GWAR!'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 03, 2020, 04:10:53 pm
Thought this was interesting...

Not only did they again have to exclude donations to Bernie from the map to show the second place folks, but in calculating the number of states in which a candidate has the most donors:

Joe Biden: 1 (his home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Elizabeth Warren: 1 (her home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Pete Buttigieg: 1 (his home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Amy Klobuchar: 1 (her home state, Bernie in 2nd)
Bernie Sanders: 46

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/01/us/politics/democratic-presidential-campaign-donors.html

Piece of advice...unless you want to start getting 10 texts a day begging you for more money, don't ever give to Bernie.

I promise if you give to Warren it is the same.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 03, 2020, 04:16:54 pm
Piece of advice...unless you want to start getting 10 texts a day begging you for more money, don't ever give to Bernie.
I promise if you give to Warren it is the same.
I think if you give to Mike Bloomberg ...this won't happen ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 03, 2020, 11:39:45 pm
It really is time to say bye to the Iowa caucus

Past time

I don’t get why we can’t have a one day primary...there is no need for this shitshow
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 03, 2020, 11:41:20 pm
Lots of consternation in Iowa tonight
Everyone seems confused
I heard Amy is looking good
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 03, 2020, 11:43:19 pm
I heard Bernie Warren Pete good


Biden bad


Nobody is going to care cause it’s a shitshow

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 04, 2020, 01:00:37 am
Hmmm its not like the DNC to botch something this big...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 04, 2020, 01:34:22 am
Instilling confidence from the get go!

This is shaping up to be an extraordinary week for the RNC and DJT ...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on February 04, 2020, 10:00:56 am
I typically don't get in on the politico posts... but we all deserve whatever we get.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 10:04:56 am
Hmmm its not like the DNC to botch something this big...

Except it was the Iowa Democratic Party but hey whatever works for Bernie grievance politics / conspiracy theories
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 10:05:30 am
I typically don't get in on the politico posts... but we all deserve whatever we get.

Trump?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on February 04, 2020, 10:10:11 am
I typically don't get in on the politico posts... but we all deserve whatever we get.

Trump?

Absolutely. Democrats fucking themselves again.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 04, 2020, 10:32:49 am
You don't need to traffic in conspiracy theories (though it's hard not to here!!!) to realize how damaging this is to eventual front-runner and some of the candidates still in the race.  And Hutch, I know you have a hate boner for Bernie, but let's not forget, only two of the candidates so far are seemingly pulling hijinx, with Biden saying the results can't be trusted and Pete claiming victory with no results in. 

Seems like Warren and Klobuchar both had better than expected nights, and neither get to capitalize on it.  Hell, MSNBC (I think...I was switching back & forth) didn't even cover Warren's speech last night while giving everyone else full airtime.  That really fucking sucks for both of them.  And I'm not a fan of Klobuchar at all.

I don't see how it really hurts Bernie...no matter how it shakes down, I think it helps.  Either the tallies come in and he won (which I think will happen) but his supports still get to point to how inept and corrupt the establishment is, or he's in second and there's a huge asterisk on things.  Either way, hard for me to see how this does anything but fire up his base even more and probably make his pitch all the stronger.

Can't see how this helps Joe or Pete at all.

I just legitimately can't fathom how anyone still has trust in this party, at least as it currently operates.  They're either wildly incompetent, or wildly corrupt, or both!  At some point soon I think, people are going to start to realize being the only other game in town isn't enough...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 04, 2020, 10:40:37 am
YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB IOWA!
they should get penalized for this and vote after Puerto Rico in 2024

This now stains the whole thing into Nov, with tons of fodder for Team Trump and enabling more 'rigged election' talk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 04, 2020, 10:43:00 am
The coolest thing to me is the caucus is LITERALLY standing in a room and counting people, then writing down the numbers! Like, I saw them doing on live TV!! Why add an app into the mix? LOL Just total technocratic nonsense...it's perfect!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 04, 2020, 10:47:32 am
I'm telling you we need someone who can throw shade
I really didn't think Mike had any hope...but if he keeps throwing zingers, Trump will come unhinged and THAT'S what we want!

Asked Bloomberg, who is campaigning in California during the Iowa Caucuses — about his feud with President Trump, and whether people want to see two billionaires fighting on Twitter.

Bloomberg: "Two billionaires? Who's the second one?"


Maybe this will make Trump freak and show his taxes to prove he's a big boy billionaire...but not realize all the money going to russia and other corrupt things right there in black and white.

Even if he ends up being a surrogate for the Nom...I think we need him peppering away at trump's frail ego on the daily
Trump's meltdowns on twitter and live tv will be meme-tastic for decades to come


Too good not to share....
@HoodlumRIP
Tonight at the SOTU, while Trump’s waddling down the aisle, Democrats should pretend they want to shake his hand. Then hand him subpoena after subpoena.


another good one...
@daveweigel
Some context for all this: The DNC spent roughly two years hammering out new caucus/primary rules, and even new debate rules, with heavy Bernie-world input. Mission one: Create a process that Sanders voters would consider fair.

And in one night, it's all gone.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 11:46:25 am
If anyone had a perfect night its Bloomberg


I agree with Biden: results can’t be trusted


Winners
Trump
1. Bloomberg (hey look at this shitshow but I am here all clean ready to jump in)
2.Biden (looks like he wasn’t doing well)
3. Pete (some say he was close to Bernie and he claims the win effectively)
4. Klobuchar

Losers
1. American democracy
2. Iowa
3. Bernie assuming he was going to win he got denied the winner’s speech and momentum




It does suck...think of all the time and energy volunteers put in for nothing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 11:51:35 am
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/1916494
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 04, 2020, 12:44:35 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP8ewBVX0AAG-xe?format=jpg&name=small)

I will say...with all the clusterfuckery with this caucus...the one thing that really grinded my gears was....low turnout!
With the amount of effort, $$$ and importance of this election
Iowa is on notice, I'm not sure why or how they have power in the DNC, but they fucked up and should now lose this prividgle
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 04, 2020, 12:53:32 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/3o5dz1.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 04, 2020, 01:15:16 pm
enough with the bernie slams....

Ok, I'm going to burn for this one...but why couldn't this flight have been on a 737max
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP8aTDeWkAM7ezN?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 04, 2020, 01:42:38 pm
YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB IOWA!
they should get penalized for this and vote after Puerto Rico in 2024

This now stains the whole thing into Nov, with tons of fodder for Team Trump and enabling more 'rigged election' talk

Fyre Fest walked so the Iowa Caucus could run. (https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/1224747635690688512?)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 04, 2020, 01:51:31 pm
LOL and now they're talking about releasing 50% or so results at 5pm ET tonight?  What a joke
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 04, 2020, 03:51:25 pm
They should scrap all of it
Then do a normal vote primary...in may
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 04:07:08 pm
Agree
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 04, 2020, 04:22:38 pm
Hard to see how they could but yeah, no one is going to be satisfied with the results, no matter the outcome.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 06:08:18 pm
Wow with 62% of precincts Mayor Pete ahead of Sanders by almost two points 27-25



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 04, 2020, 06:14:54 pm
62% reporting, per CNN

Pete 26.9
Sanders 25.1
Warren 18.3
Biden 15.6

POPULAR VOTE with 62%

Sanders 28,220
Pete 27,030
Warren 22,254
Biden 14,176
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 06:17:53 pm
Yeah too bad for Bernie it’s about delegates

Face it: Bernie way underperformed


What were Bernie’s numbers in 2016 when he lost to Hillary?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 06:26:21 pm
And outstanding areas will just widen Pete’s lead!

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 04, 2020, 06:28:46 pm
LOL Hutch get off it, man.  I didn't say anything about the numbers being fair or not...I copy pasted them just like you did.  Also, there's 38% still pending.  No one knows anything until it's done.

Man, Biden losing 2000 votes between the two votes is ROUGH.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 06:44:20 pm
Huh? No one likes Biden in the caucus...we knew that

I am kind of hoping he tanks so Bloomberg can step in on Super Tuesday

Just was expecting Bernie to clear 40% and looks like he’s going to end up closer to 20

Anyways onwards to New Hampshire
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 04, 2020, 10:39:33 pm
You don't think it's disconcerting that there's no apparent plan or timeline for the other 38%? Seems like a big deal to just move on without it!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2020, 11:14:16 pm
A very small deal considering the number of delegates at stake and reality Bernie and Pete will split most of them

people make way too much of Iowa
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 05, 2020, 11:36:47 am
beyond all the other crazy things from the SOTU reality show

Was anyone surprised that Juan Guaidó was there!

Kinda odd for STOU
Trumps using support for him to say how Socialism Kills and you know who are socialists...the dems
thankfully there is bi-partisan support for Juan Guaidó, but that's not how it's being spun


Also...pretty much the ONLY thing people are talking about is she ripped up some paper and no one is actually talking about his speech.
So I'd say... good move Nancy.  Their fake disgust over such minor things is epic.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 05, 2020, 02:59:23 pm
some good news out of VA
Just passed  no excuse absentee voting!!!
well...we have to wait until July for this to go into effect...and possible might not be ready for 2020 (but I think it will)

The 2020 Virginia General Assembly is ongoing. Bills that might change the Code of Virginia that are signed by Governor Northam will go into effect on 7/1/2020 (VA Constitution, Article IV, Section 13). If the legislation is passed and signed with emergency implementation clause, it goes into effect immediately after the Governor's signature.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2020, 08:49:46 am
Sorry NKOTB
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on February 06, 2020, 12:37:21 pm
Pelosi - "That wasn't the State of the Union. That was the state of his mind."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 07, 2020, 07:28:54 pm
Say it isn’t so joe, say it isn’t so
Joe Walsh ends Republican primary challenge against Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 09, 2020, 06:20:31 pm
Anyone up in New Hampshire canvassing this weekend?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 09, 2020, 06:46:12 pm
Say it isn’t so joe, say it isn’t so
Joe Walsh ends Republican primary challenge against Trump


Perhaps he should run as an independent.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 10, 2020, 08:53:02 am
Anyone up in New Hampshire canvassing this weekend?
the entire weekend, man I didn't realize that stretching canvas over wood was soo much work

Maybe it's not smart, as we might end up with someone who can't win...But, I've personally decided, I'm going to invest time and $ once we have a candidate

Then I feel I can really go out there and make an impact getting that person elected

It's hard to get people inspired and discuss  the election when we are still at #anyfunctioningadult part of the race

that's where I'm at
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2020, 09:23:41 am
That really has to be the approach

For those about to canvass I salute you


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 11, 2020, 02:55:13 pm
In what is probably Dixville Notch’s last primary, the five remaining residents cast their ballots just after the stroke of midnight Tuesday in the first 2020 Democratic presidential primary vote in the nation.

Bloomberg received three write-in votes, one from a Republican and two from Democrats. The remaining votes went to Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 11, 2020, 03:01:23 pm
In what is probably Dixville Notch’s last primary, the five remaining residents cast their ballots just after the stroke of midnight Tuesday in the first 2020 Democratic presidential primary vote in the nation.

Bloomberg received three write-in votes, one from a Republican and two from Democrats. The remaining votes went to Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders.
there you have it folks, no more primaries needed...onto the general!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 11, 2020, 03:23:59 pm
MIKE CAN GET IT DONE
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 11, 2020, 03:26:38 pm
I like Amy K!

She won the other two towns.

https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-primary-dixville-notch-harts-location-millsfield/30864906
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2020, 04:44:00 pm
Unbelievably looks like tonight is the end for Biden and Warren
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2020, 04:53:14 pm
Weak

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/joe-biden-scrambles-to-save-south-carolina/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 11, 2020, 04:55:55 pm
no way biden quits before SC.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2020, 06:55:01 pm
Dead man walking

If he can only get 1 of 10 primary voters he is toast
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 11, 2020, 09:11:20 pm
Andrew Yang to drop out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 11, 2020, 09:12:45 pm
Biden ally: Former vice president’s path to nomination is "the Clinton model" (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/new-hampshire-primary-2020-live-updates/h_de04538559fd770c5ee832dab8d08cea)

Joe Biden’s campaign co-chairman, Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, said the former vice president’s path to the Democratic nomination follows “the Clinton model” -- a reference to Bill Clinton’s primary win in 1992.

Of the first 11 primaries, the then-Arkansas governor had won just one -- Georgia. Then, on March 7, he won a dominating victory in South Carolina.

“He won one of the first 11 primaries. And then he won the twelfth one in South Carolina and that launched him to the presidency,” Richmond said.

Biden bailed on a planned New Hampshire primary-night party in Nashua, getting out of the state before suffering another embarrassing result. He hopped on a private flight to Columbia, South Carolina, for an event launching his campaign there.

Several of Biden’s leading African-American supporters complained Tuesday that the former vice president was being counted out of the Democratic presidential race before black voters had any real say. 

“The base of the Democratic Party is not the left. The base of Democratic Party is black women, and they have not had their say in this race yet,” said Birmingham, Alabama, Mayor Randall Woodfin. “So I think it would be not only premature, but not very smart, for anyone to count him out.”

Knowing Biden was almost certainly facing defeat Tuesday, North Carolina Rep. Alma Adams said she is “not discouraged by it at all.”

“When I look at the makeup of those states, those communities, it’s really not reflective of what I know will be strong support for him,” Adams said.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2020, 09:32:11 pm
Come on he is at 7 or 8%


It’s over for him and Warren


Congrats NKOTB

Go Mike!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 11, 2020, 10:45:40 pm
Michael "❓" Bennet dropped out ⏏️
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2020, 10:48:57 pm
I am also dropping out cause I had as much support as Bennet

#Hutch 2024
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2020, 11:06:38 pm
Can Bernie hang on? This is a weak showing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2020, 11:08:41 pm
36% outstanding
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 11, 2020, 11:12:03 pm
I like Amy K!
having a good night so far, besting Warren and Biden!

yang and bennet (like anyone knew he was still running) in one night

well at least Patrick is still in!
I heard Tusli was rumored to be talking third party...do we think she'll pull more dem than trump votes?
but she's still in, who is funding her?


36% outstanding
??
did you mean that 64% reporting?


OK...WTF is up with low voter turnout too!
that is not good

Edit...New Hampshire Democratic turnout has now passed 2016's 254,776 and looks to be on track to beat 2008's 288,672. State state's voting-eligible population grew 9% from 2008 -> 2020, so 2008's adjusted turnout is 314,717. Might beat that, too, but close
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 11, 2020, 11:57:56 pm
still only 86% in but neck and neck between 77 and 38 year old
I did think Bernie was going to crush NH
also the spread here is crazy...why ranked choice primaries is the way to go
If Yang, Styer and gabbard 2nd votes went for Amy, she'd be in the lead

and bloomie isn't even on the ticket
wonder what it would have looked like if he was there


Well said...
@NateSilver538
So apparently the candidate in 3rd place is a bigger story than the candidate in 2nd place, who in turn is a bigger story than the candidate in 1st place? OK.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 12, 2020, 12:20:48 am
CNN calls it for NKOTB
seems crazy to be in 1st place with only 26% of the vote
that's low right?



wow Bernie got 80K less votes than 2016
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 12, 2020, 11:52:50 am
It is such a joke when they talk about who got the minority vote in these two primaries
these are states that are almost totally white
slicing up a less that 5% minority to any statement how those minority's will respond in other states is just crazy talk


So Trump did get 128K people to the polls in the GOP primary....when it was totally useless, they still showed up (and of cours he's bragging about it
dems got 287 to show up...a high water mark!
for the General....743k showed up 2016

funny to see some of the other vote getters in NH (were these write in or still on the ballot?)
Marianne Williamson - 95
John Delaney - 82
Julián Castro - 80
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 12, 2020, 01:47:28 pm
Deval Patrick sez OUT.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 12, 2020, 01:55:00 pm
Too many moderates in the field splitting the vote is going to cause Bernie to run away with it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 12, 2020, 02:12:00 pm
It will consolidate


Bernie is actually losing to Pete in terms of delegates...they each have 20 or so....need like 2000


I think that tells you how early it iS


Yesterday’s results to me demonstrate democrats don’t want Bernie...he may do ok in Nevada though...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Bagley on February 12, 2020, 02:21:40 pm
Of all the candidates, I'd love to see Pete debate Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 12, 2020, 02:26:32 pm
frustrating that these two insignificant states get so much hype, create "momentum", that sets the course for the rest of the primary.  as some talking head pointed out yesterday, if california or texas were the first state then mayor pete would be back at the bottom of the pack.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 12, 2020, 02:28:18 pm
We need a one day primary end of story

No other country has this clown show


It’s ridiculous


With97% of vote in Bernie up 1.26%

Weak sauce
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 12, 2020, 02:34:54 pm
frustrating that these two insignificant states get so much hype, create "momentum", that sets the course for the rest of the primary.  as some talking head pointed out yesterday, if california or texas were the first state then mayor pete would be back at the bottom of the pack.

But why give California first crack at it? They're going to go blue in the general no matter who the Dems put up. Why not give added importance to the states who are going to actually determine the outcome of the general election?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 12, 2020, 02:47:11 pm
I am certainly opposed to the current set up...it's also decentralized so its a clusterfuck all around

I do think that maybe doing it over four dates and each time zone votes at the same time might be a good way to do it
I also think it should be ranked choice, can you imagine what would have happened in NH if we knew who peoples 2nd choice was
for all we know Biden might have won

Ranked choice makes sure the candidate that most people want get's the nom
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 12, 2020, 03:26:15 pm
frustrating that these two insignificant states get so much hype, create "momentum", that sets the course for the rest of the primary.  as some talking head pointed out yesterday, if california or texas were the first state then mayor pete would be back at the bottom of the pack.

But why give California first crack at it? They're going to go blue in the general no matter who the Dems put up. Why not give added importance to the states who are going to actually determine the outcome of the general election?

iowa and NH are going to determine the election either.

also, your argument doesn't hold for texas. 

but fine - penssylvania.  florida (*shudder*).  michigan.  you know, a state with a representative population, makeup, and degree of urbanization.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 12, 2020, 05:07:04 pm
I said this earlier...
If the dems actually want to win...should just be in the battle ground states
WI, MI, PA, FL, MN, NC, AZ
could add NV, VA ME, GA and NE for full coverage

If we get the person who can win in those state, then the election is almost a slam dunk

(https://i.imgur.com/7izs8yh.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 12, 2020, 08:29:26 pm
@NateSilver538
So apparently the candidate in 3rd place is a bigger story than the candidate in 2nd place, who in turn is a bigger story than the candidate in 1st place? OK.


Surely, Nate Silver is old enough to remember the "Comeback Kid" narrative that James Carville orchestrated for Bill Clinton to great success in 1992....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 13, 2020, 12:33:48 pm
(https://scontent.fewr1-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/85053349_10163015048650313_6993620115660996608_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=44sKe6a3o1sAX_8NLFP&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-6.fna&oh=9df25b7259cf70cd070fcd716860d5d5&oe=5EB59BB1)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 13, 2020, 03:13:37 pm
women should remember that in 2020 182 republicans voted against the ERA today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQq0P0JWAAAX1UM?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

Let's see if this goes to Mitch's graveyard
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 13, 2020, 03:16:09 pm
Have they packed the Senate?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 13, 2020, 08:56:21 pm
wish I knew,
Elizabeth warren did a town hall tonight at Wakefield High School...like three blocks from my house
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 13, 2020, 09:02:58 pm
I wonder if this was NKOTB's doing? My wife was going to go but came home and ate my tostadas instead.


Organize Your Friends with a Bernie Victory Captain in Alexandria, VA!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 13, 2020, 09:08:30 pm
That sounds like our man!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 14, 2020, 02:27:00 am
and ate my tostadas instead.
after all your other posts today, I have to question what this actually means
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 14, 2020, 01:08:50 pm
wish I knew,
Elizabeth warren did a town hall tonight at Wakefield High School...like three blocks from my house
wow, Arlington was a hot bed of actvity last night
President Trump Made a Surprise Visit to Arlington Today  (https://www.arlnow.com/2020/02/13/president-trump-made-a-surprise-visit-to-arlington-today/?fbclid=IwAR3eB212mEJsmtMkUq_6yHNMSJ_ARJBjvjFuH1B13QWKAcGlHvhlvslA8K0)
this is odd tho...
Trump posed for a photo with staffers, who work out of what’s been described as a “Republican National Committee annex” in “a glass-skinned tower overlooking the Potomac River.” The address is not publicly available.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 15, 2020, 10:10:10 pm
I aint voting for this piece of shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/


Upon information and belief, in or about July 1993, Bloomberg heard that a female Company sales person, who had just had a baby, was having difficulty finding a nanny. He yelled loudly at her, in the presence of a large group of employees,“It’s a f------ baby! All it does is eat and s---! It doesn’t know the difference between you and anyone else! All you need is some black who doesn’t even have to speak English to rescue it from a burning building!” The sales person cried at hearing her employer say such things to her, in so public a manner.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 17, 2020, 03:25:25 pm
Have personally experienced this cyber bullying



https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-maga-supporters-twitter-bernie-bros-have-ugly-tactic-ncna1117901?utm_campaign=does-the-threat-of-harassment-prevent-yo&fbclid=IwAR0ubVQ_uxfAfVhFnaljuimEw7Tsn8LWA222GUW4qcPRDbHxFHhjXAcgTXY



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 18, 2020, 02:02:51 pm
nothing says 'draining the swamp' like giving a guy like Blagojevich a pardon
His followers are the kind of people PT Barnum made a career of
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 18, 2020, 03:14:38 pm
I think when he is re-elected he is going to pardon many people....Flynn, Stone, Manafort...all of them really...except for Cohen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 18, 2020, 04:46:03 pm
I think when he is re-elected he is going to pardon many people....Flynn, Stone, Manafort...all of them really...except for Cohen

Even if he isn't re-elected he will pardon those three.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 18, 2020, 04:47:57 pm
Good point.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 18, 2020, 05:59:16 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/FW8DX5Q/bloomberg.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2020, 10:36:13 am
gotta say, been following this since I was a gleam in my fathers eye
...and less than 2 weeks to the VA primary and I'm still feeling undecided

I really wish we had ranked choice voting...as it's looking like, that it's only going to take 30% of the popular vote to win super Tuesday
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2020, 11:56:06 am
Why decide now? Wait to see who is still running
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2020, 01:06:09 pm
Why decide now? Wait to see who is still running
of course, won't have to decide until the morning of 3/3
but it feels weird not really having a solid #1

Super Tuesday 2020 will set the stage.   
I am hoping that on 3/4 that all the others will say...ok the die has been cast, let's not waste money and time on this primary and go with the leader
That won't happen, but would be nice
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2020, 02:30:20 pm
I think when he is re-elected he is going to pardon many people....Flynn, Stone, Manafort...all of them really...except for Cohen

Even if he isn't re-elected he will pardon those three.
apparently in 2017 Assange claimed Trump offered a pardon if he agreed to help cover up Russia’s involvement in hacking emails from the Democratic National Committee.
not that this surprises me, but it's amazing the level of criminality these people will go

also...seen that new biden ad that sticks it to Mike...it's pretty good
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1230174235471089666

guess the gloves are coming off
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2020, 04:20:54 pm
More like desperation


I think Biden is toast...most of his followers went to Pete or Mike

I think it’s too bad as he could have beat Trump...at least he had a chance...but democrats are displaying some real immaturity
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 19, 2020, 06:18:11 pm
guess the gloves are coming off

https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/1230226535514279936?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2020, 06:26:56 pm
guess the gloves are coming off

https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/1230226535514279936?s=20

this was a nice one
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERKmKBtWAAkIocr?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2020, 09:08:33 pm
I know at my company, when we want someone to head to division of security for our company, we always look for someone with no experience in that role.  I mean what does a director do anyway?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 19, 2020, 10:21:10 pm
The gloves are off tonight.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2020, 10:32:33 pm
The gloves are off tonight.
totally....gotta imagine the opps research teams are writing up the ads already

The raising of the hands is annoying...they should have a buzzer
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 19, 2020, 10:45:42 pm
Yes, that's the sound of Bloomburg's balls being busted by Warren.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2020, 10:47:35 pm
Yes, that's the sound of Bloomburg's balls being busted by Warren.
the NDA thing may just be a kill shot!


this guy nailed it (and me of course ;))
@HoarseWisperer
Reading the debate commentary.
Pretty wild that folks don’t know Bloomberg isn’t running to win over people who watch debates.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 20, 2020, 12:53:11 am
Debates are pointless

But the media saying somebody did well and/or someone did poor is not

I don’t think democrats should gleefully celebrate Warren doing well (it will prolong her fight for the leftists vs Bernie..a fight she can’t win) or Mike doing poorly (will prolong Biden’s time)

What we need is a quick end to this...at least if there is any hope of beating Trump

I can’t recall a time where Nevada had so many plausible candidates..we are at SIX
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on February 20, 2020, 12:11:56 pm
(https://i.etsystatic.com/18016854/c/1363/1083/431/745/il/db466d/2244917661/il_680x540.2244917661_7yfq.jpg)

https://www.etsy.com/shop/ShopSherrywood    (https://www.etsy.com/shop/ShopSherrywood)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2020, 10:29:24 pm
Looks like a big night for Bernie


I am meeting up with him and hopefully NKOTB here in Arlington tomorrow
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on February 22, 2020, 10:33:36 pm
Simple question.

If, Bernie wins the nomination . . . will you support him and vote for him?

Will, you vote at all.  Will Bernie implode the democratic chance?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2020, 10:47:25 pm
I will vote for him of course!

I am not concerned with my vote but the votes of all Americans

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 22, 2020, 11:19:22 pm
Biden got a thumping again
there are a lot of delegates in SC and Styer is polling well there
it's could be a 7 way race on super Tuesday
Tulsi is still running, who is paying for that?
edit...just found out https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/02/21/this-billionaire-trump-donor-just-gave-money-to-tulsi-gabbards-campaign
ok that is a little click bait when they say a billionare donor...but only gave $10k
I guess it's implied that if they gave that max amount above the table, they also gave a ton via pac's and dark money stuff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 22, 2020, 11:31:03 pm
Biden had a great result!


Goes into SC as the presumptive anti-Bernie stopper...

If Biden had finished behind Pete and Warren that would have been the end...


As things stand he’s back much to Bloomberg’s chagrin


And Warren’s great debate performance meant absolutely nothing..it never does and yet people place so much emphasis on them

Also remember the numbers are not first vote

In that category Bernie gets like a little 34 and Biden close to 20


The number being reported makes it seem way more lopsided and is the county delegates %
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 23, 2020, 12:21:18 am
Biden had a great result!

If Biden had finished behind Pete and Warren that would have been the end...
yeah, what I was looking at made it look like he did much worse (because it was doing the delegate count), but still only 27% reporting
seems like a lot is still out there
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 23, 2020, 12:24:02 am
True...who knows...I mean it comes down to how much of the Vegas vote is in and I don’t have that info

Onwards to the next pointless debate and black people voting
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 23, 2020, 09:48:09 am
Maybe I am too optimistic....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 23, 2020, 10:48:29 am
Oh no, Trump  has lost dirty Harry’s  support, at least james woods is out of twitmo
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 23, 2020, 08:16:13 pm
How is it that we only have 49.9% of the vote in a day later

How can we be the party of fair elections when we can't seem to deal with getting our own primaries done right
Maybe this is normal, but I think it's an embarrassment

at least turnout was good

Jon Ralston @RalstonReports
Looks as if turnout today combined with early voting has a chance to break the 118K from 2008. Will easily surpass the 84K of '16.


I couldn't agree more
Harry Reid calls for end to all caucuses, says it's time for Democratic Party "to move to primaries everywhere"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 23, 2020, 08:26:18 pm
it was somewhat civil until this week it seems
The Big Tent Project (Dem group trying to get a moderate pres) is throwing a lot of cash to discredit bernie in SC
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 25, 2020, 09:10:12 pm
was bummed to hear this after all the great news out of the Blue VA state congress

National popular vote proposal fails in Va. Senate committee
The Senate Privileges and Elections Committee voted 14-1 to push the bill to the 2021 session, ensuring Virginia won’t join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact before this fall’s presidential election. — which had already passed the House of Delegates 51-46
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 26, 2020, 02:20:05 pm
man, what a train wreck of a debate.  totally pointless and unwatchable.

Hutch, are we meeting up at Bernie's rally on Saturday in SPringfield?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 26, 2020, 02:48:35 pm
man, what a train wreck of a debate.  totally pointless and unwatchable.

Hutch, are we meeting up at Bernie's rally on Saturday in SPringfield?
Look for me....I'm coming as the naked cowboy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 26, 2020, 02:52:35 pm
I gotta say...first thing I noticed was your updated name and I LOL'd.  Gets me every time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 26, 2020, 03:19:11 pm
man, what a train wreck of a debate.  totally pointless and unwatchable.

Hutch, are we meeting up at Bernie's rally on Saturday in SPringfield?
It was quite an annoying debate
the talking over each other was quite annoying...I think at one point they cut Tom's mic, they should all be off while the others are talking

also the rally is at  St. James Sports, Wellness and Entertainment Complex...a place that costs $169 a month to be a member

Been seeing lots of what looks like homemade Amy for President signs all over alrington
I think she's pretty much toast at this point
I guess at this point ya gotta stay in until super tuesday

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2020, 03:23:33 pm
I feel you stood me up at the Arlington Bernie event so I don’t know that I can trust you anymore


People always letting me down...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2020, 03:31:05 pm
It’s great to see you on here NKOTB!

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 26, 2020, 04:03:10 pm
man, what a train wreck of a debate.  totally pointless and unwatchable.

Hutch, are we meeting up at Bernie's rally on Saturday in SPringfield?

That's only a couple or few miles from my house.

My wife was thinking of going, but I think she's talked herself out of it because she doesn't like lines, crowds, or the remote chance she could catch the Corona virus.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 26, 2020, 04:09:44 pm
Bernie has appearances in Boston, Springfield, and Virginia Beach on Saturday, all in the same day. That has to be one hell of a fast moving hybrid car he's travelling in.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2020, 04:17:26 pm
I never understand that charge...it’s so stupid and, really, annoying

You can’t be an environmentalist and take planes?

Nothing in life is black and white
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 26, 2020, 04:25:15 pm
Ha, what event were you at? I missed your invite!  I was in Arlington on the 15th (I believe) for the huge door knocking event.  Sorry I missed you!

I feel you stood me up at the Arlington Bernie event so I don’t know that I can trust you anymore


People always letting me down...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 26, 2020, 05:41:29 pm
Ha, what event were you at? I missed your invite!  I was in Arlington on the 15th (I believe) for the huge door knocking event.  Sorry I missed you!

I feel you stood me up at the Arlington Bernie event so I don’t know that I can trust you anymore


People always letting me down...
How funny it would have been if you knocked on Hutch's door
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 26, 2020, 05:48:46 pm
I love Hutch! I would've kindly talked to him about what issues he cares about in the 2020 election, and why I think Bernie is the guy to address those concerns.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 26, 2020, 11:44:50 pm
wow....this is really some fucked up shit
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1232731739467976704

as rick Wilson says 'they are saying the quiet part out loud'

un-ducking-believable
https://twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/1232729591405588483


Wow another incumbent ...Louisiana GOP Rep. Abraham not running for re-election
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 27, 2020, 12:35:41 am
I've said it before...bernie know how to get the musicians
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERwCS0pWoAIThK8?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Cool merch


A+
@CNNRGLDN
my understanding is that public enemy radio is the name public enemy uses when flavor flav is replaced with dick van dyke
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 27, 2020, 01:59:08 pm
Hmmm....this was definitely not on list of how 2020 might go down

President Trump: "I had a man come up to me a week ago. I hadn't seen him in a long time. I said, 'How you doing?' He said, 'Fine, fine.' He hugs me. I said, 'Are you well?' He says, 'No.' He said, 'I have the worst fever and the worst flu,' and he's hugging and kissing me."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 27, 2020, 02:10:55 pm
FINGERS CROSSED!!!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 27, 2020, 02:26:52 pm
I mean it'll be done by April...did Trump mean he'll be dead by April?

We got Pence and Kudlow in the job, sounds like a great buddy comedy (tragedy)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 27, 2020, 02:32:49 pm
Hmmm....this was definitely not on list of how 2020 might go down

President Trump: "I had a man come up to me a week ago. I hadn't seen him in a long time. I said, 'How you doing?' He said, 'Fine, fine.' He hugs me. I said, 'Are you well?' He says, 'No.' He said, 'I have the worst fever and the worst flu,' and he's hugging and kissing me."


He is such a germophobe that there is no way that actually happened (not to mention the secret service wouldn't let it happen).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 27, 2020, 02:35:40 pm
(http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/images-magazine/2020/02/29/CN/20200229_CNA1280.jpg)

They chose that cover as our nightmare over the International cover that the rest of the world got:

(http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/images-magazine/2020/02/29/CA/20200229_CAP1280.jpg)

America 2020, folks!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on February 27, 2020, 02:36:50 pm
Great cover!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 27, 2020, 02:55:05 pm
Hmmm....this was definitely not on list of how 2020 might go down

President Trump: "I had a man come up to me a week ago. I hadn't seen him in a long time. I said, 'How you doing?' He said, 'Fine, fine.' He hugs me. I said, 'Are you well?' He says, 'No.' He said, 'I have the worst fever and the worst flu,' and he's hugging and kissing me."


He is such a germophobe that there is no way that actually happened (not to mention the secret service wouldn't let it happen).

well, you do make a lot of sense
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 27, 2020, 06:18:42 pm
list of how 2020 might go down

dude, do you have any idea how long that list is?  no way that anyone could know what is and isn't on that list... besides, every presidential tweet puts the old list in the trash and generates a new one...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 27, 2020, 06:19:52 pm
We got Pence and Kudlow in the job

mnuchin too!  so we've got a veep who facilitated the spread of aids when we was governor, and two financial consultants, taking care of our health.  checks out.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on February 27, 2020, 09:33:53 pm
LOL that US Economist cover says a lot more about the state of our awful media than it does anything about the 2020 elections
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 11:49:54 am
list of how 2020 might go down

dude, do you have any idea how long that list is?
Well I did have the economy taking a turn due to the reckless actions on trade and debt on the list
but didn't think a global pandemic (HOAX) would be it the start of the tumble
the stock market is having its worst decline since 2008, and only one of them is the coronavirus
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 28, 2020, 05:33:49 pm
LOL that US Economist cover says a lot more about the state of our awful media than it does anything about the 2020 elections

A British newspaper would take umbrage to an American lumping them in with "our" media
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 28, 2020, 10:49:16 pm
Sanders 2020 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28801712/musician-garth-brooks-dons-barry-sanders-jersey-leading-political-mix-up)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 29, 2020, 11:14:08 pm
Tom shouldn't dance and is out

This could have gone in the NKOTB thread

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ER_gOfdX0AA9O7m?format=jpg&name=medium)
You know which one is his favorite movie


This was an interesting factiod
Biden’s blowout in South Carolina is so big, he now leads in the popular vote total for all four primaries combined.



let's keep perspective...if you won ALL the delegates from the previous primaries...you'd have like 125 or so delegates
 Super Tuesday has 1,617

I do think it's good to have a few small ones first, so the nation gets to kick the tires

that it's a wide-open race with 3 possibly 4 viable candidates is kinda scary
I'm in serious indecision on the right candidate for me (not looking for recommendations)

what sucks IMO is the winner in the end is going to have less than 40% support
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 01, 2020, 12:26:15 am
At this point in VA it’s Biden vs Sanders...anything else is throwing your vote away

I would be surprised if Biden doesn’t win VA...and if he doesn’t then I would expect Sanders to be the nominee

Bloomberg is done...He was the biggest loser tonight

After Super Tuesday I would expect Warren, Klobuchar, and Buttigieg to drop out

Steyer has suspended his campaign

I have been saying since Trump was elected that the democratic fight would be a death match between Biden and Sanders..the two wings of the party...

I think Sanders pissing away Florida was highly irresponsible...

If you want Trump to not be re-elected ask yourself if Trump can be defeated without strong support from African Americans in Virginia and key cities in PA, WI and MI?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 01, 2020, 10:03:33 am

Bloomberg is done...He was the biggest loser


If you want Trump to not be re-elected ask yourself if Trump can be defeated without strong support from African Americans in Virginia and key cities in PA, WI and MI?
Last I checked blooming mike wasn’t on the ballot

But it’s been a lackluster two weeks for him
I really don’t think you can count him out until Tuesday

Which is bad news for Biden


And the answer to your question... no of course not

There were 4 million voters who cast for Barry in 2012,  who didn’t even vote in 2016.... we need to target those people hard

Oh and Felons in Florida (and the name of my new band)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 01, 2020, 10:14:14 am
I moved from voting for Mayor Pete to Team Biden last night. Agree any vote in VA on Tuesday that isn’t for one of those two is tossing the vote away.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 01, 2020, 07:15:37 pm
Buttigieg drops out.

Wonder if he made a deal with Biden to drop out pre-Super Tuesday in return for a VP or high cabinet spot>
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 01, 2020, 07:54:51 pm
Buttigieg drops out.

Wonder if he made a deal with Biden to drop out pre-Super Tuesday in return for a VP or high cabinet spot>

VP??? No way!!

I mean isn’t endorsing Biden

Let’s face it if Biden gets that far the VP will be a black woman
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 01, 2020, 08:10:31 pm
Buttigieg drops out.

Wonder if he made a deal with Biden to drop out pre-Super Tuesday in return for a VP or high cabinet spot>

VP??? No way!!

I mean isn’t endorsing Biden

Let’s face it if Biden gets that far the VP will be a black woman

Would choosing a black woman as his VP put him over the top in WI, MI, and PA?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 01, 2020, 08:16:31 pm
Who knows? It - along with Obama and Michelle campaigning big time and genuinely (Can anyone imagine the same if Bernie is the nominee?) would help motivate people to stand in line 5 hours in the cold and in some cases cut out of work early

Anyways we are not there...at this point Bernie is in the driver’s seat and the primaries will probably get so ugly whichever side loses will not be motivated to vote in the numbers we need...

At least that’s the way I see it but YMMV
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 01, 2020, 09:51:52 pm
Buttigieg drops out.
Pete...it was not your time
you've 10 more presidential elections ahead of ya, let some of the old timers get a chance

I think both Stacy Abrams and Kamala Haris look like potential VP picks for biden
I'm not really sure who sanders would pick, maybe killer mike or Chuck D

I really don't think this is the end of bloomberg either
as cindy lauper once sang...money changes everything

although not looking good for him, 538 has him a 1 in 100 odds of getting the nom (Sand 1 in 4 and Joe 1 in 8 )

Looks like Tuesday night I'm going to be glued to the TV
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 01, 2020, 10:53:49 pm
I moved from voting for Mayor Pete to Team Biden last night. Agree any vote in VA on Tuesday that isn’t for one of those two is tossing the vote away.

I did the same for CA.  He just made it easier....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 01, 2020, 10:55:37 pm
I will be glued to a bottle with my right and iPhone with my left hand
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 02, 2020, 08:57:58 am
I'd be ok with Sanders as President. But I'm not ok with him breaking up the best rap band of all time.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/public-enemy-is-moving-forward-without-flavor-flav-after-bernie-sanders-rally-dispute/ar-BB10Brkk?ocid=ientp



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2020, 09:29:00 am
I’m with Flavor Flav!!


You really can’t call it Public Enemy without him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 02, 2020, 09:45:15 am
I’m with Flavor Flav!!


You really can’t call it Public Enemy without him

I recently watched a Public Enemy concert from Sydney in 2008 that was streaming on some free station, and Flavor Flav was not performing with them at that show. It was a little weird to watch them play with a full band, yet use Flav's pre-recorded vocals.

Also, I think the band were the only black people at the show.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 02, 2020, 11:57:40 am
So the two who said they were voting for Mayor Pete before he dropped out...was that serious or just trollin'
Also, what happens if you voted early for someone who dropped out...I guess you can't change that (not for me, just curious)


Also, I think the band were the only black people at the show.
The concert was in Sydney...so not really that earth-shattering of a reveal

Missing FF from PE is like not having the bass track...somewhat critical to their overall sound, but Chuck D is the mastermind
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 02, 2020, 01:00:01 pm
Also, what happens if you voted early for someone who dropped out...I guess you can't change that (not for me, just curious)

My entire ballot is filled out, I just hadn't marked my Presidential candidate yet.  There are 20 people who qualified in CA, and even if they drop out of the race, they are still in the ballot.

Had I marked Kamala, Castro or anyone else, it would have been a wasted vote .
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 02, 2020, 01:40:16 pm
a wasted vote .

i don't get the concept of a "wasted vote".  there is no such thing, all votes have significance.  a vote for buttigieg or harris still signals to them that they have support, that their campaigns had traction (just not enough).  in 2024, you don't think candidates won't look back at how much residual support they had?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 02, 2020, 01:54:21 pm
a wasted vote .

i don't get the concept of a "wasted vote".  there is no such thing, all votes have significance.  a vote for buttigieg or harris still signals to them that they have support, that their campaigns had traction (just not enough).  in 2024, you don't think candidates won't look back at how much residual support they had?
that's more of a silver lining
a vote for someone who isn't actaully running seems like a wasted vote
again...RANKED CHOICE VOTING would solve that problem (Unless you have Gravel, Booker, Delaney and Bennet)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on March 02, 2020, 03:16:15 pm
So, in this simulator, the Klobuchar to Biden thing is very significant...

 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/super-tuesday/    (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/super-tuesday/) 

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 02, 2020, 04:26:14 pm
So, in this simulator, the Klobuchar to Biden thing is very significant...


Just because Klobachar told me to vote for X candidate does not mean her former followers will.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 02, 2020, 04:26:58 pm
a wasted vote .

 in 2024, you don't think candidates won't look back at how much residual support they had?

No.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on March 02, 2020, 04:47:50 pm
So, in this simulator, the Klobuchar to Biden thing is very significant...


Just because Klobachar told me to vote for X candidate does not mean her former followers will.

Wait, what?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2020, 04:53:35 pm
At school bus stop waiting for kids

Talk about overzealous Bernie canvasser knocking on doors with secret knock and jiggling doorknob

NKOTB?

If so pretty sure you just lost a vote...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 02, 2020, 05:36:36 pm
buttigieg and klobuchar out, both endorsing biden... other Dem luminaries are flocking to joe...

conclusion: DNC brass pulled rank and got the moderate lane in battle formation against the leftists. the machine has awoken.  make me change my mind.

- Amy Klobuchar will end 2020 presidential campaign and endorse Joe Biden (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/amy-klobuchar-ends-2020-campaign/index.html)
- Buttigieg to endorse Biden at rally Monday night (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/super-tuesday-2020-final-sprint/h_9535565b92ac3f38afc895bf2fb241df)
- Biden picks up key endorsements from Harry Reid and Susan Rice (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/super-tuesday-2020-final-sprint/h_5664545047a986bda232e83f25a0236b)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2020, 05:45:25 pm
I am shocked the Democratic Party wants a Democrat who has fought for the party for 50 years, as a Senator and Vice President, to be President over a socialist who has never lifted one finger for the Democratic Party!!


As shocked as I was in 2016

Of course it didn’t help that Sanders started running his mouth last week - feeling his britches I guess- and pissed away Florida

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2020, 06:03:41 pm
Sometimes I agree with Kos


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/1923555
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 02, 2020, 06:41:42 pm
I am shocked the Democratic Party wants a Democrat who has fought for the party for 50 years, as a Senator and Vice President, to be President over a socialist who has never lifted one finger for the Democratic Party!!

lol. well said :-)  there is always a chance the DNC sat back and let the people decide who should be nominated - craziness, i know...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2020, 06:58:51 pm
Come on don’t make stuff up! Klobuchar and Pete endorsing Biden is just politics


It’s like you are trying to argue there shouldn’t be politics in politics


You remind me of that scene in Casablanca


“I’m shocked to find gambling is going on...shocked”


All Sanders and his people do is trash the Democratic Party and somehow you expect something different?


Read the Kos piece then come talk to me

The reality is nobody in the Democratic Party likes Bernie..why would they?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 02, 2020, 10:29:03 pm
Read the Kos piece then come talk to me
I think that was a well-written piece
It's similar to how trump took the GOP, but Dems don't do winner take all...so little different coming into the convention

I am shocked the Democratic Party wants a Democrat who has fought for the party for 50 years, as a Senator and Vice President, to be President over a socialist who has never lifted one finger for the Democratic Party!!

lol. well said :-)  there is always a chance the DNC sat back and let the people decide who should be nominated - craziness, i know...

The thing about the DNC is it's decentralized at it's core and people tend to spin it like there are a bunch of puppet masters in smoke filled rooms making the plays
It's nothing like how the GOP holds court...nothing and the reason we lose more often with clear majorities in support for policies

The thing about that koz article and Berrnies support is.....30ish % of the Dem primary voters...isn't even 15% of the Democratic voters on election day in November.
That Bernie has made zero effort to broaden his base is political suicide
He's got maybe 20 million gung ho supporters and that's awesome in itself

but we need 68 million votes to beat trump...hence the problem in my eyes


I feel like I've been into politics for the last 30 years
but my interest in the last two eclipses those 28 combined
I can't believe the uncertainty
This was the election we needed Obama 2.0 and of all the candidates, there honestly was not one who inspired people like Obama
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 02, 2020, 10:41:42 pm
oh in case you missed it...Mexico is paying for the wall BTW
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1234645566908354560
Said on 3/2/20


I always thought this was by far one of the best burn's a (at the time, Former) head of state ever did
https://twitter.com/pink_funk/status/872757738169937920)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 08:46:52 am
Oh what a fun trip down memory lane looking at my ballot this morning
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 11:00:29 am
Congratulations to Joe Biden, who won his first primary/caucus ever in three runs for the Presidency on Saturday. Can he win any more?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 01:37:10 pm
Congratulations to Joe Biden, who won his first primary/caucus ever in three runs for the Presidency on Saturday. Can he win any more?
I yelled “take a shower, dirt grub” at everyone who looked like a Bernie this morning at my polling place so when Biden wins VA later tonite, you’ll know who to credit.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 01:43:21 pm
Well done
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 02:00:53 pm
buttigieg and klobuchar out, both endorsing biden...

Dear leader has spoken : You know [Buttigieg & Klobuchar] both supported Sleepy Joe. You know why? They made a deal! You know why? Quid pro quo. Impeach them. They should be impeached! They should be impeached!"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 02:04:43 pm
For me the more interesting endorsement was Beto...


Literally nobody likes Sanders

I guess some former senator from Michigan I never heard of just endorsed him

Berniers on the net are freaking out but I expect he will be way ahead after tonight
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 02:07:02 pm
For me the more interesting endorsement was Beto...


Literally nobody likes Sanders

I guess some former senator from Michigan I never heard of just endorsed him

Berniers on the net are freaking out but I expect he will be way ahead after tonight

As someone in my house would say "That's because they're all establishment motherfuckers. The working man supports Bernie."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 02:15:05 pm
So black people in South Carolina are not the working man?

That’s some lame ass racism in your own household Space
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 02:21:07 pm
So black people in South Carolina are not the working man?

That’s some lame ass racism in your own household Space

The reference was to all of the Washington politicians lining up against Bernie, that Sidehatch was talking about.

Of course Biden is going to get the (older) black vote in South Carolina. He has been forging relationships with those folks for many years. Bernie, not so much.

I love it how everything is "racism" with the liberal elite. Just like saying "Well we HAVE to pick a black female VP." Thinking this way is why we're going to lose.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 02:25:50 pm
that’s just so stupid I wouldn’t know where to begin

It’s a weird Bernie trait to equate anyone who is against him with the 1% or establishment ...he does this all the time and his supporters parrot it

I mean just saw another lame Bernie request for $: “the entire damn 1% is coming after us...”

No dude I am coming after you and happily voted for Joe Biden..I mean I wish I was a 1 percenter!


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 02:32:17 pm
that’s just so stupid I wouldn’t know where to begin

It’s a weird Bernie trait to equate anyone who is against him with the 1% or establishment ...he does this all the time and his supporters parrot it

I mean just saw another lame Bernie request for $: “the entire damn 1% is coming after us...”

No dude I am coming after you and happily voted for Joe Biden..I mean I wish I was a 1 percenter!

Welcome to my world.

At least she's only 12 and thus too young to vote.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 02:34:55 pm
Ok well for 12 that’s pretty good..I guess I shouldn’t have assumed
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 02:46:27 pm
Ok well for 12 that’s pretty good..I guess I shouldn’t have assumed

Yeah, I'm just joking. My 12 year old has been sitting on the fence on this one, seemingly not taking sides as her parents debate the election. She usually takes her mom's side, because her mom is the one who spoils her with all kinds of unnecessary products.

My wife hasn't had a fetish for someone like this since she went through her Brian Wilson phase a few years ago. I would use the term "hard on for" but I learned in another thread that that means you're against something.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 02:54:12 pm
we are getting places....space now properly knows how to use 'getting a hard on for'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 03, 2020, 03:17:49 pm
I would use the term "hard on for" but I learned in another thread that that means you're against something.

i thought is just meant that it got you really excited about it, but could be either positively or negatively... help?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 03:42:55 pm
I would use the term "hard on for" but I learned in another thread that that means you're against something.

i thought is just meant that it got you really excited about it, but could be either positively or negatively... help?
I think it's like Aloha
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 03:49:55 pm
Ok people..time to put your bitcoin where your mouth is

I want some delegate count guestimates

Biden     500
Bloomberg 200
Sanders     475
Warren      150

I'm feeling a surge for biden,
Bloomberg is fading
sanders will do well, but will come in second
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 04:05:14 pm
Ok people..time to put your bitcoin where your mouth is

I want some delegate count guestimates

Biden     500
Bloomberg 200
Sanders     475
Warren      150

I'm feeling a surge for biden,
Bloomberg is fading
sanders will do well, but will come in second
If that’s the count, it’s gonna be Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 04:17:32 pm
I would use the term "hard on for" but I learned in another thread that that means you're against something.

i thought is just meant that it got you really excited about it, but could be either positively or negatively... help?

In my mind, hard ons are always positive, except that one time in 10 grade English class.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 04:55:14 pm
It’s really hard to predict...I haven’t even looked at polls not that there are many since SC but expect Sanders will clean up in TX and especially CA which will make it impossible for Biden to win tonight...but he will live to keep fighting

I expect something like Sanders 700 Biden 500 and the rest split amongst the losers
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 05:00:29 pm
It’s really hard to predict...I haven’t even looked at polls not that there are many since SC but expect Sanders will clean up in TX and especially CA which will make it impossible for Biden to win tonight...but he will live to keep fighting
Four of 538's five scenarios have Biden getting the most votes tonite, FWIW.

Really seems to come down to how many people stick with Bloomberg vs coalescing around Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 05:18:17 pm
Wow ok my spitballing is way off then....I have Sanders doing far better in CA and TX than Nate Silver does....


I guess I subscribe to Nats Silver Scenario 4 but with Sanders doing far better in CA and TX


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 05:54:46 pm
So do you think Bloomberg tottaly Hindiberg'ed and is done for
that's what Team Biden needs
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 06:04:00 pm
Well it doesn’t matter what I think cause we will know in a few hours although not sure how fast CA and TX count votes...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 06:27:54 pm
they also said that we might not know CA for a few days because of the Mail in votes
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 03, 2020, 07:41:07 pm
they also said that we might not know CA for a few days because of the Mail in votes

You're welcome. 

I mean, I could have turned my ballot in to City Hall earlier, but with the candidates dropping like flies lately it just made more sense to put it in the mail THIS MORNING! 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 07:46:35 pm
i am sure there will be enough to project what is happening in CA and the final delegate counts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 03, 2020, 07:49:30 pm
https://twitter.com/PizzaToThePolls

Pizza to the Polls
@PizzaToThePolls
We send pizzas to polling places with long lines. Send us reports and we'll send in the za. Track the progress on our website: https://polls.pizza
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 08:03:42 pm
Wow CNN calls VA for Biden immediately!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 03, 2020, 08:19:28 pm
Wow CNN calls VA for Biden immediately!!!

crazy innit?  with 0.0% of the polling stations reporting in, VA = biden. 

this isn't helping with the whole "it's fixed for biden" narrative.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 08:24:41 pm
Oh you haven’t heard of exit polling?



Anyway am hearing its about Biden  47 Sanders 25 Warren 11 Bloomberg 11


They also called Vermont for Sanders right away...is that also part of establishment conspiracy?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 09:02:20 pm
NC called for Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 09:03:49 pm
NC called for Biden
Bama too.

He’s crushing his projected margin there and in Massachusetts and several other places.

Biden is having a hell of a night so far.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 09:05:20 pm
Bloomberg takes American Samoa!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 03, 2020, 09:06:52 pm
Bloomberg takes American Samoa!

DON'T CALL IT A COMEBACK
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 09:08:01 pm
Bloomberg takes American Samoa!

DON'T CALL IT A COMEBACK
Ok, I won’t.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 09:42:53 pm
Bloomberg takes American Samoa!

It's refreshing to know that $500 million buys you something these days...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 09:47:49 pm
Bloomberg and Warren doing better than I expected

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 09:51:34 pm
Bloomberg and Warren doing better than I expected

At the expense of whom?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 09:55:01 pm
Bloomberg and Warren doing better than I expected
Is Warren really doing better than expectations though? Bloomberg was a total wildcard but there's no state where I’ve seen a Warren percentage and went WOW!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 10:11:45 pm
Biden nabs Tennessee and has made Maine and Massachusetts competitive.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 10:16:40 pm
Yeah I guess you are right...Warren running third in MA with 22% -it’s early-  has to be devastating
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 10:18:53 pm
Yeah I guess you are right...Warren running third in MA with 22% -it’s early-  has to be devastating
Kind of don’t know how she stays in past today unless something changes. No path. Her staying in hurts Bernie in a (de facto) two candidate race.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 10:30:46 pm
I am watching MA, ME and MN


I don’t know how Warren or Bloomberg stay in or their motives....Warren could stay in but it would kind of be like saying “I just don’t like Bernie!”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 10:32:59 pm
And Sanders’ early lead seems to be based on votes cast early....

A fascinating night so far
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 10:53:30 pm
Biden wins Minnesota
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 10:59:34 pm
AP calling Minnesota for Biden. That plus one of Maine or Massachusetts plus being within ten-ish delegates in Texas would be super crushing for Sanders.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 11:08:22 pm
Bloomberg is “reassessing” his candidacy, per Larry Sabato.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 11:12:42 pm
Wasserman et al calling Massachusetts for Biden too.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 11:16:22 pm
CA is still out there, but sanders was a big favorite across the board before the SC vote
the tide sure changed quick
didn't hurt that Amy and Pete dropped out*
I think tonight would have been drastically different if they were pulling votes away from Biden

I'm a big fan of early and mail-in voting, but in a primary...doesn't always seem like the best plan


*were told to drop out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 11:18:18 pm
The party decides.

Never seen an election turn on a freaking dime like this before. It really betrays that 70% of American Democrat’s were just waiting to find anyone other than Bernie to vote for. Biden won SC big. The party aligned. Fin.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 11:19:35 pm
The best stat so far is that of people voting in a primary for the first time the largest percentage (by a good bit) voted for Biden, not Bernie (whose lunatic followers have consistently claimed he will bring new voters to the process).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 11:22:31 pm
followers have consistently claimed he will bring new voters to the process).
this has been his biggest indictment, claimed he'd bring new voters...but didn't deliver
I will say...the bashing of team bernie has to stop, we need those voters to come out in November. Not stay home or vote for Trump
Constant insults (even if they did it first) really isn't helping

I really want to hear more about the turnout ....to me that has to be JOB #1 for the dems...turnout...nothing else matters, nothing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 11:24:44 pm
Politics is the art of the possible


Pete and Amy are far better off politically for having dropped out....it’s politics

Pete saves his prospects for the future

Amy is in line for a major cabinet position....I do not think she would be considered for VP but you never know


It’s politics not the evil DNC...it’s not being told to drop out it’s knowing when it’s best to drop out....Why would Klobuchar have continued? To get 5% in most states and lose her home state to Sanders and probably come in third? And if Sanders became president don’t you think she might have been challenged by a Sanders supporter and maybe lost her senate seat?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 11:44:37 pm
well we haven't seen the last of Jeff Sessions, but thankfully we've seen the last of Roy Moore
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESO7piMWsAECQj4?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 11:49:22 pm
I want to say I want Sessions to lose but the alternative might be worse


Still, I want Sessions to lose
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 03, 2020, 11:53:58 pm
Tommy Tuberville. Lol
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 11:57:20 pm
I am sorry but I have come around to idea that if say Biden were to win in November it will be despite Sanders and his supporters

A lot of them will sit it out or Sanders may even run third party...his support for Biden would be tepid..he will wreak chaos at convention

The Democratic Party will have to turn some Republicans and maximize turnout among certain groups

I see what many Sanders supporters say on social media...these people will not vote Biden...just like they saw Hillary and Trump as the same thing they will see Biden and Trump as the same so you have to minimize the losses and win despite a sizable number of them
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 11:58:37 pm

I really want to hear more about the turnout ....
Democratic turnout Virginia has nearly doubled from 2016.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 12:00:19 am
Tommy Tuberville. Lol
thinking that may be my new band name
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 12:06:35 am
I mean let’s face it...let’s face the facts

Bernie wants a revolution

Biden is just not going to be a revolution

But Bernie knows this is his last shot and his weak attempt to play nice in 2016 is just not going to happen this time around...he will prefer to burn it down
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 04, 2020, 12:07:38 am
Tommy Tuberville. Lol
thinking that may be my new band name
He was the football coach at Auburn for a decade.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 04, 2020, 12:08:21 am
Topic for discussion: what if Biden throws conventional wisdom out the window and does a unity ticket with Bernie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 12:14:23 am
CA called for Bernie on Politico


A VP has one job:  to be ready to be President

78 year old heart attack survivors can’t

If only Bernie had a young lieutenant....he just doesn’t have many friends...AOC is too young
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 12:16:23 am
Margin in TX down to 2%!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 12:31:55 am
Biden is going to win Texas


I cannot see Bernie getting nominated barring something crazy

He will lose the biggest states remaining: FL, NY, PA, IL. OH and MI

He has zero chance in GA or MO

He will win WA and OR

WI could be tight



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 12:39:45 am
This CA exit poll tells you what we are up against with Bernie supporters

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/entrance-and-exit-polls/california/democratic
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 12:58:33 am
Tuberville takes down Sessions...good riddance

Nope...there is a runoff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 09:05:29 am
This CA exit poll tells you what we are up against with Bernie supporters

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/entrance-and-exit-polls/california/democratic

It looks like Sanders won both genders, every race except black, all age groups below 45, all education levels, a majority of those who identify as Democrats, a majority of those who identify as Independents, a majority of those who identify as GLBT, and a majority of those who identify as straight.

So which of those categories are you not a part of? Or are you just saying you're a non-Californian?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 09:15:19 am
The point is many Bernie supporters aren’t going to vote for anyone other than Bernie in November...it’s there in the numbers


We are going to have to beat Trump without even more of them than when Hillary lost

There isn’t anything to be done...it’s not as if Bernie has a young lieutenant we can make VP
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 09:18:08 am
Boy did Biden have an amazing night or what?

I did not see that coming...


These primaries are over
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 09:20:29 am
The point is many Bernie supporters aren’t going to vote for anyone other than Bernie in November...it’s there in the numbers


We are going to have to beat Trump without even more of them than when Hillary lost

There isn’t anything to be done...it’s not as if Bernie has a young lieutenant we can make VP

You've probably analyzed this more than me, but what's the evidence for your first point?

Four years ago Trump was a tv personality and political novice. Today, he's one of the most reviled creatures on Earth, by anyone left of the Middle and my even some on the Right. You don't think that's enough to inspire Bernie voters to hold their noses and vote for Biden?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 09:23:29 am
My evidence is the exit poll I am pointing you to (third try here) and what I see around me....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 09:30:05 am
My evidence is the exit poll I am pointing you to (third try here) and what I see around me....

What, specifically in the poll are you referring to? There's a lot to unpack there. And does an exit poll of California voters and "what you see around you" accurately represent voters in MI, WI, and PA?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 09:40:04 am


Of course CA is somewhat different from other places but it’s a general trend. Many Bernie voters dislike the Democratic Party, Biden and feel the nomination was stolen from them...many of them will just not vote


We will have to defeat Trump without them and the sooner we realize and accept that the better

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 09:42:20 am
And the question in the poll is will you vote Democrat regardless of who is nominee


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 09:55:36 am
And the question in the poll is will you vote Democrat regardless of who is nominee

Maybe some of those were Trump voters trying to make Bernie the opponent? Can anyone vote in the California primary?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 10:01:46 am
I did not see that coming...
Me neither, people were writing obits of his campaign on Friday
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 10:03:54 am
And the question in the poll is will you vote Democrat regardless of who is nominee

Maybe some of those were Trump voters trying to make Bernie the opponent? Can anyone vote in the California primary?
also a lot of support for bernie in 2016 was somewhat anti hilliary and thinking there was NO WAY that Trump would actually win and there would be a normal GOP candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 10:07:39 am
One thing Bernie got right is that it does seem like Americans won't elect a woman.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 10:09:28 am
I also didn’t see how weak Sanders support is

He is going to lose Maine! His numbers are down everywhere from 2016


The only thing Sanders does well is get Latinos to vote...whoever is running Latino outreach is now set for their life...nothing but promotions and pay raises ahead
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on March 04, 2020, 10:47:24 am
I also didn’t see how weak Sanders support is

He is going to lose Maine! His numbers are down everywhere from 2016


The only thing Sanders does well is get Latinos to vote...whoever is running Latino outreach is now set for their life...nothing but promotions and pay raises ahead

Maybe a new latino rock promoter for the DC region?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on March 04, 2020, 11:15:51 am
Rich guy quits, supports Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 04, 2020, 12:33:04 pm
warren losing MA has got to be devastating for her.  what's the over/under on how long her campaign lasts - 2 days?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 04, 2020, 12:48:28 pm
Biden's older voters are showing up. Sanders' young voters aren't (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/politics/youth-vote-sanders-biden-super-tuesday/index.html)

but jesus H, joe:
Biden mixes up wife and sister in Super Tuesday speech (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/03/04/joe-biden-speech-wife-sister-super-tuesday-2020-vpx.cnn)
 
not the sharpest spoon in the shed...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 04, 2020, 12:54:27 pm
The age optics are fucking terrible but someone really needs to take me seriously on this Biden/Sanders unity ticket if the goal is truly “just not Trump, no matter what it takes.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 02:19:20 pm
Too early...let it play out

But Biden owes the black community and he has to turn out black voters in November like you don’t know to have a chance...also women

To me the unity ticket is with a black woman as VP

Also what makes you think Sanders is interested?


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 02:43:40 pm
Biden/Klobuchar
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 02:50:38 pm
Hutch: Why do you think Biden has to pick and African American female?

He was already kicking the ass of Harris and Booker, even among blacks. So what would Harris bring to the ticket?

And Stacey Abrams is smart, but an unqualified nobody.

Who else do you have in mind? Michele ain't gonna do it. Though having the Obamas campaigning for him would help.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 03:00:21 pm
I don’t know who and picking a VP is high stakes poker beyond my pay grade


But why? Cause you need black People to stand in line in the cold in Philly for 5 hours...we have been through this

We need to turnout the black vote and the female vote as absolutely high as possible...won’t spell out rest
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 04, 2020, 03:05:05 pm
Can anyone vote in the California primary?

Not for Federal offices, no. 

State and local offices are open primary, federal offices you must be a registered member of a party, EXCEPT the Democratic Primary which allows for those registered Decline To State to request a Democratic ballot (Republican's refused to allow this in their primary).  If you registered for a different party however, you are limited to the Candidates of only that party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 04, 2020, 03:06:06 pm
I would argue yesterday’s numbers are pretty much proof AAs will show up to vote for Biden. Who supposedly will not show up to vote for Biden? Latinos and young people. Who do Latinos and young people show up to vote for? Bernie Sanders.

Like it’s an ideological mess and I don’t think Bernies evangelical belief in himself will allow him to take a VP slot, but I think he covers Biden’s voting gaps pretty obviously.

If 2016 taught us anything it is women do not feel any mora obligation to vote for a woman. I honesty do not know what Stacey Abrams does for you electorally or demographically that Biden does not already have.

But yeah, it will probably be Klobs if I had to guess today to try and nail down Minnesota.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 03:11:31 pm
I will go out on a limb and say it will be Kamala Harris.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 04, 2020, 03:32:52 pm
Can anyone vote in the California primary?

absolutely anyone (according to trump), same for general election.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 03:45:31 pm
Can anyone vote in the California primary?

absolutely anyone (according to trump), same for general election.
I'm pretty sure smakie has it right...you have to be an independent and you can vote in the dem primary
I remember when I lived in dc, I registered as independent and regretted it when I couldn't vote in the Mayoral dem primary (as that is the actual Mayoral election)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 04:00:49 pm
I don't know much about her, but what about Gretchen Whitmer as VP? She has a nice name, at least.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 04:14:51 pm
I don't know much about her, but what about Gretchen Whitmer as VP? She has a nice name, at least.
I liked her rebuttal to the SOTU, but most people panned that speach...but would help lock in MI

VP picks are weird, as personally, it's never moved me one bit
how many votes do you think Tim Kaine added...I thought he was a horrible pick
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 04, 2020, 04:15:16 pm
I will go out on a limb and say it will be Kamala Harris.
Kamala Harris probably does even less for a Joe Biden candidacy than Stacey Abrams. Like what voting bloc or whatever do you get with Kamala Harris that you do not have without her? Who is excited over this?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 04:18:04 pm
I saw a tweet that Sanders and Biden should announce their VP picks sooner than later
as actuarial tables show that there is a great likelihood neither will make it to the end of their first term
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 04:43:48 pm
Great
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 04:48:41 pm
A woman VP has never happened so I would say any woman VP nominee would be exciting

Otherwise we will never have a female president pretty much

It’s 2020....high time

The idea is to replicate the Obama coalition
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 04:53:38 pm
Topic for discussion: what if Biden throws conventional wisdom out the window and does a unity ticket with Bernie?

My wife is reminding me that she proposed a Bernie/Biden or Biden/Bernie (depending on who got the nomination) unity ticket this past weekend. Great minds think alike?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 04, 2020, 05:01:30 pm
Why does everyone assume Bernie would go for this even if Biden was open to it?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 04, 2020, 05:06:24 pm
My wife is reminding me that she proposed a Bernie/Biden or Biden/Bernie (depending on who got the nomination) unity ticket this past weekend. Great minds think alike?
I WITHDRAW MY SUGGESTION.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 04, 2020, 05:07:18 pm
Why does everyone assume Bernie would go for this even if Biden was open to it?
I totally acknowledge he likely wouldn't. This is a hypothetical thought exercise on the 15% chance he would say "heck yeah, I've always wanted to live in a naval observatory."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 04, 2020, 05:31:04 pm
Why does everyone assume Bernie would go for this even if Biden was open to it?
I totally acknowledge he likely wouldn't. This is a hypothetical thought exercise on the 15% chance he would say "heck yeah, I've always wanted to live in a naval observatory."

#4thHouse
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 05, 2020, 12:15:33 pm
warren losing MA has got to be devastating for her.  what's the over/under on how long her campaign lasts - 2 days?

the unders win!

Warren OUT.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 05, 2020, 12:39:52 pm
warren losing MA has got to be devastating for her.  what's the over/under on how long her campaign lasts - 2 days?

the unders win!

Warren OUT.

From the NY Times:

And so, after all the tumult, the Democratic race has come down to this: two straight white septuagenarian men fighting over the soul of the party — whatever that turns out to be.

Let us state that Mr. Biden and Mr. Sanders have many fine qualities. Either would make a better president than the unstable man-child currently degrading the office. That said, for the party of progress, youth and diversity, a final face-off between two lifelong politicians born during World War II leaves much to be desired. And it says something depressing about the challenges women candidates still confront in their quest to shatter the presidential glass ceiling.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 05, 2020, 02:05:06 pm
From the NY Times:

From the NY Times Opinion Section.

That's a key distinction.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 05, 2020, 03:29:41 pm
Bummed that Warren couldn’t make in roads as she was at the top of my list.. as some smarter than I person said in a different time she have made a great president but we are too broken due to 45...

Also, a lot of smart and thoughtful people with blue check marks I follow were indicating their support for her, which is part of the problem

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 05, 2020, 07:59:44 pm
Vindictive Amy Klobuchar Elected Mayor Of South Bend, Indiana (https://politics.theonion.com/vindictive-amy-klobuchar-elected-mayor-of-south-bend-i-1842125399)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2020, 08:06:21 pm
Bummed that Warren couldn’t make in roads as she was at the top of my list.. as some smarter than I person said in a different time she have made a great president but we are too broken due to 45...

Also, a lot of smart and thoughtful people with blue check marks I follow were indicating their support for her, which is part of the problem


Definitely the best supporters....just not enough of them....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 05, 2020, 11:09:05 pm
Bummed that Warren couldn’t make in roads as she was at the top of my list.. as some smarter than I person said in a different time she have made a great president but we are too broken due to 45...

Also, a lot of smart and thoughtful people with blue check marks I follow were indicating their support for her, which is part of the problem


Definitely the best supporters....just not enough of them....
warren's supporters were well informed and passionate, but not to the point of insults
Some of her support is going to the bern, wonder what the half-life is on that



Vindictive Amy Klobuchar Elected Mayor Of South Bend, Indiana (https://politics.theonion.com/vindictive-amy-klobuchar-elected-mayor-of-south-bend-i-1842125399)
the insanity and inanity of the news the past few years has made the onion irrelevant
good to see they are still pulling their weight

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2020, 11:16:45 pm
Almost every Warren supporter will vote for the nominee in the end


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 07, 2020, 12:50:20 am
I see now that NKOTB's mission to turn us all into Berners has failed, he's buggered off again. 

Best of luck in your next mid-level marketing scheme.  But there's always your thread, where we love you for who you really are...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 07, 2020, 08:39:49 am
Ouch
Honestly think he was somewhat restrained compared to 2016

And he rarely took the poison bait that was often put in a bear trap here

I don’t think this campaign to demean Bernie supporters is going to bear any fruit... not sure why it’s the most popular sport
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2020, 09:33:24 am
Was he on here in 2016 supporting Bernie?


NKOTB is a real nice guy...I want to doubt he has left the building

Anyone know if he is in Michigan currently?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 07, 2020, 10:04:49 am
Anyone know if he is in Michigan currently?
As our Michigan correspondent, I can confirm he is not. I called everyone and asked.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2020, 10:33:15 am
Ok good work!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 08, 2020, 10:55:39 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESehABpXcAU-h8V?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 08, 2020, 11:35:58 am
Just the image I need!

Thanks
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 08, 2020, 07:49:06 pm
I can't get this one to post as an image, but it's another good one.

https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/1236510744453222401
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 08, 2020, 09:12:11 pm
Apparently Warren has abandoned the entire progressive agenda because she went on SNL and told a joke... just another day of shaking my head while looking at Twitter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 09, 2020, 08:46:42 am
Apparently Warren has abandoned the entire progressive agenda because she went on SNL and told a joke... just another day of shaking my head while looking at Twitter
she was great on SNL...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 06:06:00 pm
We shall see 50/50 odds Biden sweeps

Washington could be problem...some of those folks are wacky

This can’t be over soon enough

With Coronavirus really needs to end now
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 10, 2020, 07:59:58 pm
My wife just walked in the door and said Biden is a cocksucker of billionaires. My daughter and I didn't really have a reply.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 10, 2020, 08:38:47 pm
It's done for bernie...lets see his tepid support for biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 08:42:38 pm
He will keep going like he did against Hillary because all he cares about is himself

He may win WA

In the current Coronavirus environment he really should accept reality
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 10, 2020, 08:56:37 pm
My wife just walked in the door and said Biden is a cocksucker of billionaires. My daughter and I didn't really have a reply.

She's not wrong.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 10, 2020, 09:05:13 pm
My wife just walked in the door and said Biden is a cocksucker of billionaires. My daughter and I didn't really have a reply.

She's not wrong.

(Bernie polling at less than 20% among African-Americans)

She also said "Fuck those Black voters, they're so stupid."

November can't come soon enough. Now i know how George Conway and James Carville must feel.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 09:26:49 pm
I think she is wrong...basically the big money stayed on sidelines...Biden blitzed Super Tuesday without $ or organization...he is doing same tonight

I am so tired of Bernie supporters saying anyone who votes for Biden is rich or establishment or old or a dumb person

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 09:30:25 pm
If Bernie continues to campaign can he win one swing state? And if not what is rationale for him winning in November?

He got clobbered in VA and MI and is going to get clobbered in FL next week...he has no chance to beat Biden in PA...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 10:50:04 pm
Hearing Bernie is suspending campaign


Color me surprised...great news
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 10, 2020, 11:01:18 pm
Now i know how George Conway and James Carville must feel.
now that's a plot of a great comedy sitcom
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 10, 2020, 11:04:31 pm
Hearing Bernie is suspending campaign


Color me surprised...great news
source?
News on @MSNBC: Bernie Sanders does not plan on speaking tonight. He will not deliver any remarks.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 11, 2020, 12:10:24 am
Joementum!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 11, 2020, 07:04:28 am
I understand that Bernie Supporters are a passionate bunch of people, but there is a lot of bright shiny objectsism going on.  Witness the clip of Biden interacting with the auto worker over gun control.  Apparently he lost the entire election over that, amongst other things...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 11, 2020, 08:22:43 am
I understand that Bernie Supporters are a passionate bunch of people, but there is a lot of bright shiny objectsism going on.  Witness the clip of Biden interacting with the auto worker over gun control.  Apparently he lost the entire election over that, amongst other things...

Can you please explain that in plain English for this stupid Biden voter? I don't know what "shiny objectsism" is and I haven't seen the video you reference.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 11, 2020, 08:25:02 am
I think she is wrong...basically the big money stayed on sidelines...Biden blitzed Super Tuesday without $ or organization...he is doing same tonight

I am so tired of Bernie supporters saying anyone who votes for Biden is rich or establishment or old or a dumb person

I got rolled out of bed, put my clothes on, poured a bowl of Corn Chex, and got a ten minute, one sentence rant on this this morning. You forgot to mention that they like to reference Biden's dementia, and say that they don't care if Trump gets re-elected, Biden is no different than Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 11, 2020, 08:58:13 am
say that they don't care if Trump gets re-elected, Biden is no different than Trump.
I really don't know how people can say a statement like this with a straight face

I have a have a toy gun and an uzi....they are no different right?

Biden is not perfect...but who the fuck is, definitely not bernie
but Trump is an unmitigated disaster and I'd vote for Marriane Williams or Tuslsi before voting for trump
to thing that EVERYTHING isn't on the line with this election and to casually make statements like that is insane
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 11, 2020, 09:01:28 am
I understand that Bernie Supporters are a passionate bunch of people, but there is a lot of bright shiny objectsism going on.  Witness the clip of Biden interacting with the auto worker over gun control.  Apparently he lost the entire election over that, amongst other things...

Can you please explain that in plain English for this stupid Biden voter? I don't know what "shiny objectsism" is and I haven't seen the video you reference.

It just seems to me everyday there is something new for some to rage on about or had a new bright shiny object to focus on.

Here’s the clip in question where Joe calls BS on the issue and is seen by some of him losing votes, etc

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1237471924235755523?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 11, 2020, 09:06:13 am
Same thing they said about Hillary and how did that go!?


Some people never learn

But let’s be respectful of Bernie peeps...they are reeling today
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 11, 2020, 09:28:16 am
Yup probably a little heavy handed in my assessment, not sure why I’m feeling so feisty these days ... back to posting about music only...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 11, 2020, 11:16:36 am
This article (https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/486982-michigan-to-sanders-the-revolution-has-been-cancelled) is some Julian-level snark and savagery.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 11, 2020, 01:08:32 pm
got a ten minute, one sentence rant

this made me chuckle... marital poetry!

they don't care if Trump gets re-elected, Biden is no different than Trump.

this is honestly horrifying.  those folks need to sit the fuck down, do whatever the hell it is that they do to relax, and have a long hard think.  they need to look back at the last 3.5 years (normally i'd say "a long, hard look" but i'll assume these folks still have an ounce of objectivity left - please dont prove me wrong).

i am quite fond of your better half, but please tell her to get a grip.  it's that kind of thinking that will end up giving us four more years of walls, racism, reduced healthcare and increased environmental destruction (with several helpings of corporate welfare).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 11, 2020, 01:12:02 pm
This article (https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/486982-michigan-to-sanders-the-revolution-has-been-cancelled) is some Julian-level snark and savagery.

amidst the savagery there is this analytical gem: "He is not expanding his coalition — and doesn’t seem interested in making any effort to do so. Typical of ideologues, Sanders has decided it’s his way or no way. And Democratic voters have opted for no way."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 11, 2020, 01:24:52 pm
this is honestly horrifying.  those folks need to sit the fuck down, do whatever the hell it is that they do to relax, and have a long hard think.  they need to look back at the last 3.5 years (normally i'd say "a long, hard look" but i'll assume these folks still have an ounce of objectivity left - please dont prove me wrong).
The "there is no difference between Biden/Hillary and Trump" wing of the party remind me of that Emo Philips joke about Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879 or 1912.

Whenever someone wants to tell you the left is where all the smart people are, just tell them to shut the help up.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on March 11, 2020, 03:27:45 pm
 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237690798046695424.html?fbclid=IwAR3R5WXgcWPL0LqBXjVtUiy_lBLWysfgCJpKD43nRX-VX2o3ylTrOjoHdsc   (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237690798046695424.html?fbclid=IwAR3R5WXgcWPL0LqBXjVtUiy_lBLWysfgCJpKD43nRX-VX2o3ylTrOjoHdsc)

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Here’s the truth...I’m a straight, white, christian, educated American male who makes a fuckton of money. Elections can’t even touch me. Fuck it, vote for Drumpf. Or ignore Biden because your favorite Grandpa didn’t get the nod. Go for it. I still win. Drumpf is a plus for me. 1/
The thing is, he’s still a cancerous ghoul whose only goal is power and wealth and he’s happy to take a big syphilitic piss on the Constitution and the institutional strength of America to do it. But again, I still win. I’ll pay lower taxes and my kids will surpass yours. 2/
I get why people like the guy—especially fat-faced dimwits. He’s the dumb bully they never got to be. He exudes a tasteless person’s vision of status. He’s what every angry moron thinks he’d be if only the liberals/Jews/welfare queens/etc. hadn’t ruined the American dream. 3/
Doesn’t really matter though. I still win. I’ll wiggle out of income taxes and send my kids to private school and never worry about insurance and buy a boat named “$elf Made.” I’ll buy houses to rent to 40-ish millennials with 🌹in their twitter names who can’t afford to buy. 4/
And you’ll either vote for the next Drumpf (you idiot) or boycott the next Biden because you grew up in the era of fake internet points and
The world’s platform for change
Change.org is the world’s largest petition platform, using technology to empower more than 200 million users to create the change they want to see.
http://Change.org
petitions and you think fleeting, peacocking displays of your ethical rectitude mean fuck-all in the real world. 5/
Or maybe you’ll realize that the reason I’m saying all this asshole-ish but truthful shit is because you (you, me, the broader we) actually have to quit pretending that being a pissbaby about your candidate is going to do anything but make life worse for vulnerable people. 6/
It doesn’t matter that you liked Bernie. Or Warren (man I liked Warren) or McKinsey Pete or whoever the fuck Tom Steyer is. It doesn’t matter. They lost. And pretending that someone who can’t beat Joe Fucking Biden was going to win the general is asinine. 7/
Because here’s the thing—the real thing. You’ve got to give a shit about other people. A kid in Pennsylvania is counting on you to send Betsy Devos packing so he can have a school lunch—the only real meal he gets in a day. RBG is out here clingin to life to save jurisprudence. 8/
People from all degrees of marginalized existences—the poor, LGBTs, immigrants, your grandma with diabetes, minorities—are counting on you to stop wilfully making shit worse by “stanning” some defunct candidate and giving more power to the grifters and single-issue fuckwits. 9/
So sit around and pet your crotch about how Bernie was going to forgive your loans from your semiotics degree at Swarthmore. Or maybe just grow up a little and stop making the world better for people like me and worse for people to whom we owe a duty of care as fellow humans. 10/
Care about the greater good for once—not just your infantile, idealized, selfish version of it. Care enough about your country to put away your fantasies about loan forgiveness and stop the guy whose goal is “well done steak cooked over the ashes of American governance.” 11/
Or, don’t. Like I said. I’ll be fine. Looking forward to that boat, really. 12/12
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 11, 2020, 03:50:45 pm
Or, don’t. Like I said. I’ll be fine. Looking forward to that boat, really.
Shouldn't have this gone in the JA thread :)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 11, 2020, 05:53:24 pm
pretending that someone who can’t beat Joe Fucking Biden was going to win the general is asinine.

i need this on a t-shirt.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 02:13:51 pm
with all this covid stuff...kinda forgot we still don't have a candidate
this was promising, although not sure why he just doesn't drop out

@DavidCornDC
.@berniesanders  is giving @JoeBiden  questions in advance of the Sunday debate so Biden knows what he has to address to get Bernie and his voters on his side. This is a very smart and mature statement. Good for him!


Also...they should definitely cancel the Tuesday Dem primary in Florida! or at least make it vote by mail/internet
talk about an at-risk population


Anyone catch Biden's press conference?...#PresidentBiden is trending
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 01:34:28 pm
Great argument that the Berners are not correct in their current assessment of thing and how the system prevented them from getting him elected or winning MI


@charles_gaba
Dear @AOC
: I heard you claimed on @BretBaier's show that there was "rampant voter suppression" here in Michigan which prevented Bernie supporters from voting. Your "evidence" for this is that some college kids had to wait several hours to vote.

I agree that you shouldn't have to wait several hours to vote, which is why it's such a great thing that in 2020, Michigan voters had SIX WEEKS to vote by mail, which they DIDN'T have in 2016. I also agree that you shouldn't have to wait several hours to *register* to vote...
...which is why it's such a great thing that in 2020, Michigan residents were allowed to REGISTER to vote RIGHT UP THROUGH ELECTION DAY, which they COULDN'T do in 2016 (you had to be registered at least 30 days *before* e-day back then). Yet even with the addition of both...
...Bernie ended up receiving over 3.7% *FEWER* votes in 2020 than he did in 2016 (he went from 598,943 to 576,580...a drop of 22,363 primary votes).
"But it was a crowded field!" Yes, it was. Let's add 100% of Warren votes. That brings it to 602,626, an increase of 0.6%.

Now, how about Biden 2020 vs. Hillary 2016?
Hillary 2016: 581,775 MI primary votes
Biden 2020: 838,515 MI primary votes
That's a 44% increase for a candidate who's arguably even more "establishment" (36yrs Senate, 8yrs VP) than Hillary (8yrs 1st Lady, 8yrs Senator, 4yrs SoS).
None of this is to downplay voter suppression in general--it's VERY real in many states & is done *by the GOP* to suppress *Dem* voters--but you claimed it was done *in MI* which just passed MASSIVE voting rights reform, specifically to suppress BERNIE supporters, which is BS.
One more thing, @AOC
: I see that you clarified that you aren't blaming Bernie's *loss* on suppression, just some of the margin ("rampant" suppression was your term)...except for one thing...
Quote Tweet
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC
I do not attribute the loss on voter suppression.
Biden bested the night, fair & square. However *anywhere* w/ a multi-hour wait to vote - whether in GA, TX, MI, or anywhere else - is a problem.

Voter suppression primarily targets Black voters, & young ppl can be impacted too.
...by all accounts, the vast majority of those long lines in college towns you referred to were college kids REGISTERING at literally the last minute...something which, again, they wouldn't have even been able to do AT ALL until last year:

Quote Tweet
Jonathan Cohn@CitizenCohn
State spox tells @detroitnews that "delay in processing voters appears to be concentrated at city clerks office is college towns, such as Ann Arbor, East Lansing and Kalamazoo, that are fielding hundreds of people registering to vote"
https://detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/10/michigan-localities-juggling-rise-same-day-voter-registration/5004002002/

And when I say "literally the last minute" I mean EXACTLY THAT: https://twitter.com/JocelynBenson/status/1237544212746260480

Over 6,000 people (presumably those college kids in the video clip) waited until there was less than 3 1/2 hours left on election day before even *showing up* to REGISTER to vote.

Quote Tweet
Jocelyn Benson@JocelynBenson
Updating ... over 13,157 eligible citizens registered and voted today, as of 8:30pm - with almost half (just over 6000) showing up after 4:30pm to do so. https://twitter.com/jocelynbenson/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 01:54:34 pm
There go Andrew Gillum's chances at...well whatever it was he still had a chance at.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2020, 03:49:20 pm
There go Andrew Gillum's chances at...well whatever it was he still had a chance at.

Always struck me as a total fake in a Bill Clinton sort of way
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 15, 2020, 08:37:06 pm
Joe is sharp tonight. Let's see if he holds it together for two hours. Mayne not good to start his first sentence with a dry cough.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 15, 2020, 09:14:35 pm
He just has to smile and remember the year


Unforgivable that Sanders is continuing


He lost Washington! He is down 160 delegates


But we have seen this movie before

He will try to weaken Biden as much as possible, weaken the party and provide Trump fodder for Fall
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 15, 2020, 09:33:31 pm
Biden says his VP will be a woman

I guess that rules out Bernie
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on March 15, 2020, 09:47:34 pm
Maybe...maybe not

Biden says his VP will be a woman

I guess that rules out Bernie
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 15, 2020, 09:50:44 pm
Would Bernie undergo surgery to transition to Bernadette?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on March 15, 2020, 10:53:20 pm
Feel the Burn

Would Bernie undergo surgery to transition to Bernadette?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 17, 2020, 03:58:28 pm
Feel the Burn

Would Bernie undergo surgery to transition to Bernadette?
“Sanders Not Planning to Quit Race After Tuesday’s Votes, Aides Say”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 17, 2020, 04:20:25 pm
this pandemic has given new life to bernie's campaign.  "healthcare for all" is more relevant than ever.  as this pandemic gets worse, his chances rise - at least i suspect that's what he's thinking... 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 04:47:18 pm
New life?

You are delusional


What he is thinking is what he was thinking when he knew he couldn’t beat Hillary and kept going
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 07:39:12 pm
FL voters giving new life to Sanders campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 08:36:29 pm
IL voters giving new life to Sanders campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 11:49:25 pm
AZ voters giving new life to Sanders campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 18, 2020, 02:22:58 am
hutch, once again you've missed the point: it's sanders who believes that the pandemic makes his message of universal healthcare more relevant, thus giving new life to his campaign, thus his refusal to quit.  in his mind, the worse this gets, the better his chances are.  at this point he probably knows he can't win the nom, but he can extract concessions from biden - like getting elements of his agenda on to biden's platform.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 02:33:24 am
The longer he stays and gets routed the less concessions he can get

He is going to end up being Ron Paul
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 02:35:13 am
And please make your damn points more clearly
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2020, 08:59:27 am
bernie...please read the writing on the wall and let's unify
- lost 8 of the last 9 primaries
- lost 19 of the last 23
- lost every county in two swing states
- lost several states he won in 2016
- lost every primary in states w >20% Black voters
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on March 18, 2020, 09:20:29 am
he is assessing his campaign...possible sex change and VP bid?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2020, 12:32:53 pm
BREAKING Bernie Sanders deactivates 2020 campaign Facebook ads

and #pizzagate is trending ...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on March 18, 2020, 04:07:54 pm
Bill Weld ends Republican presidential campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 05:05:12 pm
Welp
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2020, 11:40:13 am
Tulsi suspends campaign. Endorses Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2020, 07:55:50 pm
Three pillars of Trump’s case for reelection are collapsing all at once (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-crisis-trumps-argument-for-reelection-is-collapsing.html)
KEY POINTS:
- President Trump’s reelection campaign was designed under the premise that the economy would be strong through November, but that’s not true anymore.
- Trump also planned to make socialism a central focus of his attacks. But without Bernie Sanders to run against, this argument becomes a lot less potent.
- Trump campaigned on “draining the swamp” of big government. Now he wants Americans to trust in big government to fight coronavirus and save the economy.

i disagree with the last point, it's a bit disingenuous.  "draining the swamp" isn't quite the same thing as reigning in big government.  but otherwise, interesting points.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2020, 05:29:57 pm
Mike Bloomberg  spent nearly a BILLION DOLLARS – $936,225,041.67, to be precise – on his presidential bid, according to an FEC filing.

The $18M he transferred to the DNC today is less than 2% of that total.


was like, you can keep all the change you find in the couch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2020, 06:43:50 pm
it is interesting how many press briefings Trump has had since last Thursday (daily?)
He has been able to talk his way out of every obstacle in his life but seems he's met his match

My advice would be the same as before: just shut it, let the pros speak
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on March 20, 2020, 07:00:43 pm
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 20, 2020, 07:02:46 pm
Three pillars of Trump’s case for reelection are collapsing all at once (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-crisis-trumps-argument-for-reelection-is-collapsing.html)
KEY POINTS:
- President Trump’s reelection campaign was designed under the premise that the economy would be strong through November, but that’s not true anymore.
- Trump also planned to make socialism a central focus of his attacks. But without Bernie Sanders to run against, this argument becomes a lot less potent.
- Trump campaigned on “draining the swamp” of big government. Now he wants Americans to trust in big government to fight coronavirus and save the economy.

i disagree with the last point, it's a bit disingenuous.  "draining the swamp" isn't quite the same thing as reigning in big government.  but otherwise, interesting points.

There's always Hunter.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on March 20, 2020, 07:48:51 pm
Staff member in Vice President Mike Pence's office tests positive for coronavirus
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on March 20, 2020, 07:57:49 pm
One can only hope and pray
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 22, 2020, 11:22:12 pm
One can only hope and pray

superb comment.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 25, 2020, 04:53:37 pm
Reached out to my local VA Senator (Adam P. Ebbin...I don't remember voting for him?) for an update on getting Vote by Mail done for VA and thought I'd share


Thank you for your email in regard to vote by mail options for upcoming elections. According to the Virginia Department of Elections, all Virginians are eligible to vote by mail for upcoming elections in May by marking reason "2A My disability or illness" for Absentee voting in the May 2020 elections due to COVID-19.

With the passage of HB1 during this year's legislative session, all Virginians are eligible to vote "no-excuse absentee" in this Fall's election. Senator Ebbin will continue to advocate for expanded ability for voting and ensure the safety of all residents during these trying times.


I still think they should push to get it like Washington state, but at least "no-excuse absentee" is now available.
(technically Northam needs to sign, but zero likelyhood he won't)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 08:54:32 pm
little early and little too optimistic...but wouldn't it be great if  graham got sent packing in 2020

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUJTfnlXkAEC09g?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2020, 02:45:15 pm
they keep saying the quiet things out loud

The Washington Post @washingtonpost
Analysis: Trump just comes out and says it: The GOP is hurt when it’s easier to vote


I just don't get how GOP/Republicans can talk about Fair this and Fair that...it is such bullshit
We need to get vote by mail NOW
If the Dems take it all in Nov, they better make things like this a priority and not be nice like Obama was when he had the chance
Electoral reform is urgent
I remember Smax posted something from the economist in 2017 (was that when I graduated High School...seems like forever ago)
something like Dems need to get 54% of the vote to win...

After that...DC and Pureto Rico Statehood.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2020, 03:25:27 pm
The Washington Post @washingtonpost
Analysis: Trump just comes out and says it: The GOP is hurt when it’s easier to vote


in case anyone wants to read the article: Analysis: Trump just comes out and says it: The GOP is hurt when it’s easier to vote (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-voting-republicans/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 10:29:17 am
wow....
Al Gore, who has been mostly out of the public eye for quite some time, is 72 today - still younger than Trump/Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 02:10:00 pm
We need to get vote by mail NOW
Yes....Nancy gets it!
Speaker Pelosi: "We're going to MOVE to vote by mail..The integrity of our election system is central to our Democracy..I don't know how anyone could oppose our enabling our states to have vote by mail..Public opinion will weigh in on that!"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 01, 2020, 10:29:14 am
Don't forget...Census day!  https://2020census.gov
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on April 01, 2020, 01:43:40 pm
Don't forget...Census day!  https://2020census.gov

Fill it out today. Your descendants in 2092 will thank you.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2020, 06:22:47 pm
jez

Wisconsin's Supreme Court has blocked Gov. Tony Evers from delaying the state's primary, which is scheduled to be held tomorrow.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 06, 2020, 07:06:55 pm
But of course

Let me guess, Judges appointed by Scott Walker?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2020, 10:58:21 pm
But of course

Let me guess, Judges appointed by Scott Walker?
actually it was The Supreme Court...my earlier post was incorrect and this is soo much worse

RGB posted a good dissent...but nobody cares about 2nd place
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU9XJbvUUAEMIgh?format=png&name=small)
in this most extraordinary time, the health of our Nation
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 07, 2020, 09:13:35 am
this is insane
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1247502615430209541

Milwaukee has just five voting locations open today, down from the usual 180 for a typical voting day.

look at how long these lines are to vote in WI
SCOTUS has blood on their hands as people will die because of this...and that's not hyperbole
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 07, 2020, 09:26:15 am
No argument
No words
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on April 08, 2020, 11:27:02 am
Bernie is calling it quits.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2020, 11:32:50 am
Bernie is calling it quits.
Hutch needed some good news...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on April 08, 2020, 11:42:39 am
Bernie is calling it quits.
Hutch needed some good news...

Not that it wasn't cemented before, but we just got four more years of the ignoramus
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 12:07:59 pm
Biden will beat Trump....

Bernie should have dropped out weeks ago!  I was torn between wanting him to drop out and wanting him to keep losing.

The Covid19 really took away his ability to stay in the race... of course he has to be treated with deference since he could always run third party
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 12:22:10 pm
Bernie is conceding but will stay on ballot hoping to keep racking up delegates so he can influence platform


So he is still an asshole which is comforting as I can now continue to loathe him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2020, 12:39:47 pm
Bernie is calling it quits.
Hutch needed some good news...

Not that it wasn't cemented before, but we just got four more years of the ignoramus
Dude...you are not serious that you thought Bernie was the answer here?
Personally, I like a number of bernie's stances, but know the reality on the ground

he's not a democrat and he has a proven record that he can't get democrats to vote for him.
Prove me wrong on that.
He should have been 3rd party since 2016

His only chance was with a crowded field where he could keep getting 35% and that would be enough to beat the others.  But that's not democratic unity

so how would he have help to not get trump reelected?

don't start drinking before lunch man
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 08, 2020, 12:45:28 pm
Not that it wasn't cemented before, but we just got four more years of the ignoramus

srsly?  you think bernie had a better shot?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 08, 2020, 12:45:53 pm
don't start drinking before lunch man
Stay out of my life, man.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 12:48:13 pm
And mine
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2020, 12:50:29 pm
Donnie sure is excited.... I think he needed some good news too
Seems like he's sticking with Sleepy Joe...doesn't seem that brutal
You know he wants to call him Stutterin' Joe

@realDonaldTrump
Can’t see AOC plus 3 supporting Sleepy Joe!

Wow, Bernie is unwilling to give up his delegates, and wants more of them! What’s that all about?

Bernie Sanders is OUT! Thank you to Elizabeth Warren. If not for her, Bernie would have won almost every state on Super Tuesday! This ended just like the Democrats & the DNC wanted, same as the Crooked Hillary fiasco. The Bernie people should come to the Republican Party, TRADE!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 08, 2020, 01:06:50 pm
Yup right on Cue... the blame Warren movement is under way...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2020, 01:15:54 pm
Yup right on Cue... the blame Warren movement is under way...
Even though the math doesn't work if every warren vote went to bernie
oh yea we don't use logic anymore
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 08, 2020, 01:19:41 pm
Yup right on Cue... the blame Warren movement is under way...
Even though the math doesn't work if every warren vote went to bernie
oh yea we don't use logic anymore
The same way Trump supporters have “fake news,” the Bernie people have “its rigged.” Yeah, if more people voting for someone other than your guy because they don’t like your guy’s views is rigged, then it’s rigged. It’s also called Democracy.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on April 08, 2020, 01:38:50 pm
Not that it wasn't cemented before, but we just got four more years of the ignoramus

srsly?  you think bernie had a better shot?

Yes.

And to answer sidevote's question above... was he "the answer"? Maybe not, but is Biden still a functioning human? Are you kidding me? Like I said, we're all fucked anyway, but Biden isn't beating trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 01:48:15 pm
Biden is old and has senior moments but am not buying the dementia/ not functioning argument

By all accounts he did reasonably well in the debates

My dad has dementia and I can tell you it’s a serious charge to throw around

If a grandparent or parent sometimes says the wrong thing or forgets something does one consider them non functioning? Or to have dementia?

Biden can’t be that badly off to have wiped the floor with the competition!

And if you think Americans aren’t going to vote Trump out after this Coronavirus fiasco and the recession or depression coming I got news for you...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2020, 01:57:12 pm
It is crazy to think if the Dem primary started now how different the results might be
I do think there were some really good candidates and have to say was a little bitter when the last ones left were in their late 70s
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on April 08, 2020, 01:57:18 pm


And if you think Americans aren’t going to vote Trump out after this Coronavirus fiasco and the recession or depression coming I got news for you...

There's a lot of dumb idiots, so I won't be surprised.

Biden may not have dementia.... Yet. But he sure acts like.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2020, 02:00:35 pm
So how does it go if Joe for some reason isn't able to accept the Dem nom in Aug? (either dementia as yada claims or Corona?)
Do the delegates just move to other candidates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 08, 2020, 02:11:28 pm
Right on cue, Stein pops up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 02:12:25 pm
Geez what a negative bunch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on April 08, 2020, 02:15:55 pm
So how does it go if Joe for some reason isn't able to accept the Dem nom in Aug? (either dementia as yada claims or Corona?)
Do the delegates just move to other candidates

I never said he was demented, I think hutch brought it up. But it's a valid concern.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 02:21:49 pm
Well you did say he was not functioning!


He’s fine...just old...news flash BTW old people vote young people stay home

I will talk to you when you are 80...you will still be posting here , right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on April 08, 2020, 02:26:34 pm
I saw Biden on Chris Cuomo's show last night and he was actually very good.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 08, 2020, 02:27:55 pm
If Biden can carry Macomb Country in Michigan home of those Ragean Democrats and Pennsyltucky it will help immensely.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on April 08, 2020, 02:31:39 pm
Well you did say he was not functioning!


He’s fine...just old...news flash BTW old people vote young people stay home

I will talk to you when you are 80...you will still be posting here , right?

The chances of me making it to 80 are pretty, pretty slim.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 08, 2020, 02:36:03 pm
I saw Biden on Chris Cuomo's show last night and he was actually very good.

I didn't see him there, but I've been thinking that with everything he's been through with his family, he might be the kind of guy who can offer emotional hope to a heartbroken country.

Then after a year or two his female VP can take the reigns.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 08, 2020, 02:47:17 pm
Well you did say he was not functioning!


He’s fine...just old...news flash BTW old people vote young people stay home

I will talk to you when you are 80...you will still be posting here , right?

The chances of me making it to 80 are pretty, pretty slim.
I don't know, man. They always say God protects children and fools and with your dreadful taste in music, you're definitely the latter.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 08, 2020, 02:47:31 pm
^^ Julian, King of the SLAMS
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 09, 2020, 09:09:48 am
Imagine running out of your home in the middle of a lethal pandemic to vote against the Medicare for All program that would guarantee to treat you if you are infected.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 09:26:37 am
Imagine running out of your home in the middle of a lethal pandemic to vote against the Medicare for All program that would guarantee to treat you if you are infected.
Oh, Medicare for All is on the ballot? What office is this non-sentient construct running for?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on April 09, 2020, 02:15:38 pm

Biden can’t be that badly off to have wiped the floor with the competition!


I wouldn't say Biden wiped the floor with the competition. He won a single primary (of a State the Dems will never carry in November) before they all gave way. I think it is accurate to say the competition was scared Bernie would win with a plurality and so they stepped aside for Biden.

Whether he is really the strongest candidate we will never know.  He had the most party history and ties and that's what won him the contest.  Obviously, if that is going to be an important criteria we will continue to get old candidates. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 09, 2020, 02:29:52 pm
He won a single primary (of a State the Dems will never carry in November) before they all gave way.

incorrect.  biden crushed on super tuesday, in multiple states, before the competition started throwing in the towel.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 09, 2020, 02:48:49 pm
He won a single primary (of a State the Dems will never carry in November) before they all gave way.

incorrect.  biden crushed on super tuesday, in multiple states, before the competition started throwing in the towel.

Really? I thought only Bernie, Biden, and Warren (not counting Tulsi) were left once Super Tuesday rolled around.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 09, 2020, 03:07:29 pm
yeah, i think you're right... i'm getting my dates scrambled. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 03:13:08 pm
yeah, i think you're right... i'm getting my dates scrambled.
Buttigieg and Klobuchar were definitely both out before Super Tuesday.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 03:15:12 pm
I also love how this is a point the Bernie  voters harp on. The adults in the party formed a coalition of likeminded voters and accomplished their goal. Meanwhile, the infant-wing of the party posted Snake emojis at Warren supporters and then wondered why she didn’t work with them.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 03:16:30 pm
Even after Warren dropped out Sanders could barely crack 30%


It’s hard to make an argument that a Sanders would have made a better candidate based on his performance in IA, NH and NV all very atypical states... one can criticize SC but at least it has a lot of black people

What do the caucuses in IA or NV prove? Or a win in his neighboring NH, a state whose primary hasn’t picked the eventual nominee since 2004?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 03:23:32 pm
He won a single primary (of a State the Dems will never carry in November) before they all gave way.

incorrect.  biden crushed on super tuesday, in multiple states, before the competition started throwing in the towel.

Really? I thought only Bernie, Biden, and Warren (not counting Tulsi) were left once Super Tuesday rolled around.
this always hurts to say, but space is correct
that was the big deal is Pete and Amy dropped out as those votes went almost directly to Biden, had they stayed in, Bernie would have probably won more states (but by way lower than 50% of the vote)
Bloomberg was the big wildcard and could have possibly taken a bunch of Biden votes
Had Bloomy skiped the debates...this might be a different race right now

Joe Biden won Alabama, Arkansas, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia; Bernie Sanders won California, Colorado, Utah, and his home state of Vermont; and Michael Bloomberg won American Samoa. Elizabeth Warren and Tulsi Gabbard failed to win any contest.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 03:25:28 pm
Bernie Sanders had four years to build a bigger coalition then he had in 2016. He got less of the vote. He couldn’t make nice with his proverbial next door neighbors (Wang and Warren voters).

Explain to me again how he was going to flip Obama-Trump voters? He couldn’t flip people who were 95% of the way there.

Can we just call a spade a spade and stop this rigged talk and admit he ran a terrible campaign?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 03:26:46 pm
Amy was getting 5%!!

You can’t assume it’s static and their supporters wouldn’t have largely migrated to Biden even if they had stayed in

Come on!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 03:28:50 pm
Amy was getting 5%!!

You can’t assume it’s static and their supporters wouldn’t have largely migrated to Biden even if they had stayed in

Come on!
there is no way biden would have taken Minnesota if Amy stayed in!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 03:31:01 pm
Ok but that’s one state - her home state- and he would still have broken the 15% threshold and gotten delegates!


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 03:33:24 pm
They dropped out cause they were out of money and didn’t have a prayer and preferred dropping out to losing really badly. I mean how did Pete and Amy do in SC and how where they going to do on Super Tuesday?


It’s called politics

Geezus

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 03:33:25 pm
Ok but that’s one state - her home state- and he would still have broken the 15% threshold and gotten delegates!
of course I'm joking
but she was a threat to biden, even if it was just 5% of the vote...and pete taking another 10%
that would have let Bernie win a few more races
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 03:34:59 pm
Read my post above


It’s called politics
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 04:05:30 pm
I mean how did Pete and Amy do in SC and how where they going to do on Super Tuesday?

It's really hard to say what would have happened if they stayed in, yes they would have lost badly, but enough to give the bern enough wiggle room to get more delegates than Biden after ST and that would have changed the calculus a lot

Whether it was coordinated or not (I now believe it was, but don't think the DNC demanded it, they cut a deal on future involvement)....it did make a big impact for Biden, no doubt about it
That bloomberg flopped so bad was a surprise for me
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 09, 2020, 04:16:10 pm
Can we just call a spade a spade and stop this rigged talk and admit he ran a terrible campaign?

regardless of the quality of the campaign (which i thought was pretty good, clear messaging, but whatever), a campaign can't win if its ideas are both polarizing and espoused by less than 30% of the target population.  if someone fundamentally opposes the concept of universal healthcare, all the marketing in the world isn't going to change that.  bernie was able to mobilize a vocal minority, but got no traction with the majority.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 04:24:13 pm
Poppycock Sidehatch


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 04:37:51 pm
a campaign can't win if its ideas are both polarizing and espoused by less than 30% of the target population.  if someone fundamentally opposes the concept of universal healthcare, all the marketing in the world isn't going to change that.
See, I would argue you’ve thrown out there the perfect example of why Bernies campaign was bad. “Medicare for All” is wildly popular even among a stunning group of GOPers. A public option, even moreso. Want to know what is supported by less than 30% of the population? Banning personal health insurance. And that’s what Bernie chose to demand - and would make no compromise on with regard to his platform.

A lot of the general principles of Bernie’s ideas have wide support, but he also demanded the most idealistic, narrow specific version of them. He had four years to build a coalition around 90% of his platform and he would tolerate no compromise, no middle-ground. He was only open to people joining his coalition if they unquestioningly decided he was right on everything and passed a purity test. He attacked his closest ideological comrades.

And that is why Bernie supporters continue to say he was cheated and it was rigged — because to be a Bernie supporter in 2020 means being a person who believes Bernie is always right and anyone standing in his way must be 100% wrong. Same as Trump supporters. Same as David Koresh’s supporters. The cognitive dissonance is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 04:38:41 pm
Poppycock Sidehatch
(https://i.imgur.com/kpKPmCc.gif?noredirect)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on April 09, 2020, 06:28:10 pm
They dropped out cause they were out of money and didn’t have a prayer and preferred dropping out to losing really badly. I mean how did Pete and Amy do in SC and how where they going to do on Super Tuesday?


It’s called politics

Geezus

We get back to what I said above:
Biden didn't wipe the floor with the competition. He won a single primary (of a State the Dems will never carry in November) and all of the moderates dropped out. (They were all gone by Super Tuesday).  Similarly, Biden won a single primary and his lackluster fundraising started to pick up.  The competition was scared that Bernie would win with a plurality (like Trump did) and so everyone coalesced around Biden.

This thing was heading towards a brokered convention (kinda scary to imagine a brokered convention in the age of COVID-19) until the party establishment came together around a single candidate.


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 06:48:06 pm
Well I understand your point but:

Candidates doing poorly and whose $
always drop out and support the eventual winner (often hoping for future considerations)

Having it in the bag on Super Tuesday by definition means it was a romp

Amy K had hardly any votes in NV and SC...like a few percentage points...how was she to continue?

I liked Bloomberg more than Biden - at least at time- but when I had to vote I knew to go for Biden because Sanders had zero chance of beating Trump

Likewise many Amy and Pete supporters would have done same even if they had stayed in and the candidates realized this

You are forgetting the arc of the campaign...People had lost faith in Biden but by Super Tuesday he looked very viable so people came back to him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 06:55:56 pm
The competition was scared that Bernie would win with a plurality (like Trump did)
Trump had a delegate majority by a pretty comfortable margin in 2016, not a plurality.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 06:56:52 pm
And Pete was dead when he came in behind Biden in NV

Had he come in ahead of Biden he might  have had a chance to do a bit better in SC but when he got that blown out it was over
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 09, 2020, 06:59:23 pm
"like" and "Bloomburg" are two words I'd never use in he same sentence.

Another billionaire president? No thanks.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 07:00:26 pm
Is Trump a billionaire?
Prove it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on April 09, 2020, 07:23:02 pm
The competition was scared that Bernie would win with a plurality (like Trump did)
Trump had a delegate majority by a pretty comfortable margin in 2016, not a plurality.

Trump had a delegate majority with a plurality of the votes. He only got 45% of the votes in the Republican primary, total.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 07:24:06 pm
The competition was scared that Bernie would win with a plurality (like Trump did)
Trump had a delegate majority by a pretty comfortable margin in 2016, not a plurality.

Trump had a delegate majority with a plurality of the votes. He only got 45% of the votes in the Republican primary, total.
That’s true.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 07:32:17 pm
The competition was scared that Bernie would win with a plurality (like Trump did)
Trump had a delegate majority by a pretty comfortable margin in 2016, not a plurality.
mostly because of the GOP does the winner take all
I think he won a lot of states with way less than 50%
he won Super Tuesday with 34% of the vote (overall...he did win 7 of the 11, but none cracking 50% on any the states he won)

Primaries should really be ranked choice...trump would have never won if they were like that
60% of the GOP primary voters were not voting for him
but they all fell in line quick
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on April 09, 2020, 07:39:21 pm
And Pete was dead when he came in behind Biden in NV

Had he come in ahead of Biden he might  have had a chance to do a bit better in SC but when he got that blown out it was over

I think it's pretty clear, the center of the Democratic Party is bigger than the the left on election night.  The left can only win by pulling new voters.

The left (Bernie, EW) has more passionate and committed voters.  That's reflected online and in small donations.

The center has more big money donors.

The left can still only win if there are enough central candidates to split the vote.

We disagree on whether Biden had an overwhelming victory or if it was a case of everyone else deciding to drop out because Bernie was a threat. 

Pete and Amy never had a chance to win on their own unless all of the other moderates dropped out.  Their only viable pathways were brokered conventions.

Bernie was never getting above 35 or 40%, so his only chance was to get the majority of the delegates with a plurality of the voters (or close enough that it would have been difficult for the party not to pick him).  He needed a bunch of folks to be sticking around while getting 14 or 15 percent and to be able to build the perception of inevitability. 

538 still had no one receiving the majority of the delegates as the overwhelmingly most likely outcome before Pete and Amy dropped out together and Biden with only a slim chance of winning a majority.  I don't see how that is him wiping the floor, it looks a lot more like a brokered convention pre-convention to me.  Nothing wrong with that, I just don't think it is an indicator that Biden is a strong candidate or that he has a lot of support.  I think he's weaker than HRC was in 2016, and Trump is stronger.  The real hope is if the left takes this election more seriously (and it is allowed to take place honestly).     

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on April 09, 2020, 07:45:01 pm
Primaries should really be ranked choice...trump would have never won if they were like that
60% of the GOP primary voters were not voting for him
but they all fell in line quick

I strongly support this, but I think the left of the Democratic Party would benefit under this system. 

I'm not as sure what it would do for the Republicans, but I do agree Trump wouldn't have won.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 10, 2020, 12:54:03 pm
I think DJT thinks you guys are all wrong about Warren and Bernie

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

Nobody wants to say that if Elizabeth Warren gets out of the race before Super Tuesday, Crazy Bernie Sanders wins virtually every state in a blowout...NOT EVEN CLOSE!  I haven’t heard one member of the Fake News Establishment even mention this irrefutable fact. FAKE NEWS!



Irrefutable??
I've not done the math, but if every single warren vote goes to bernie, this would not give him a blow out in virtually every state?
I  know he lies all the time....


Found this pretty quick
Biden’s margin over Sanders was larger than Warren’s total vote in five of the Super Tuesday states he carried (Alabama, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas).

And you might as well add a sixth where Biden would have surely won anyway: Oklahoma, where his margin over Bernie (13.3 percent) means that virtually every single one of the 13.4 percent voting for Warren there would have had to pull the lever for Sanders to catapult him to victory.


alas I guess is an effort to get unhappy Sanders supporters come to the Republican Party
Even the berniebros can do math, so not likely
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 10, 2020, 01:33:49 pm
Just look at results in Michigan for Super Tuesday a State won by Sanders in 2016.  Warren got less than 2% there.  Bloomberg has got more votes than Warren Biden got votes where Sanders succeed last time around.  Some analysis suggested it was sexism that helped propel him last time around. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 10, 2020, 01:48:59 pm
You had to know a campaign strategy was to have faux news endlessly repeat the word socialism if Bernie was the candidate..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 10, 2020, 02:43:36 pm
You had to know a campaign strategy was to have faux news endlessly repeat the word socialism if Bernie was the candidate..

Have you seen the (coordinated) tweets from GOP senators with the #BernieIsStillOnTheBallot
they are still trying to find a way to keep socialism on the ballot
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 10, 2020, 06:20:32 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVMvdsaUwAAqEJP?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2020, 05:02:41 pm
Mighty proud to be a Virginian lately...now it's a law for no-excuse absentee ballot!  (not quite votebymail...but getting there)

Only wish they'd done a little better on Pot reform....but other than that, kicking ass and taking names

Virginia governor makes Election Day a holiday and expands early voting  (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/politics/virginia-election-day-holiday-early-voting/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3aFkR9DOqnhFFeZUrhv0wBqDU7_pUgKFa0XqLtF7vFTJPZU3c01mdLyW0)

The new legislation also repeals the current Lee-Jackson day holiday which honored Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson  and replacing it by making Election Day a state holiday..
"

Just a state holiday...so not really sure that many people other than people working for the state of VA
but it's a start
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 07:27:20 pm
VA= third least Covid 19 tests per million in US
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2020, 07:31:50 pm
VA= third least Covid 19 tests per million in US
wrong thread, but that's not good news
especially when the reddest of MAGA states are way ahead

Do you think that is state Gov't lack of response? Or is there some other reason
I would think there is a very transient population in VA and that would make it risky compared to other states
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 07:42:17 pm
I have no idea


The Governor is a Dr and seemingly all about public health

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2020, 08:16:42 pm
Only wish they'd done a little better on Pot reform....but other than that, kicking ass and taking names
Unless COVID totally details all was, this is coming in the next two years.

Just a state holiday...so not really sure that many people other than people working for the state of VA
but it's a start
It does nothing for the poorest percentage of the population whose jobs most interfere with getting to the polls.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 08:29:01 pm
I see it as a goal for federal government and we have to start somewhere

But I guess federal government can’t compel Texas , for example, right?

Not to mention the specter of Supreme Court overriding anything remotely progressive

I have to believe come November Republicans are going to get wiped out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 14, 2020, 07:55:21 am
Only wish they'd done a little better on Pot reform..s
this is coming in the next two years.
What was the reasoning behind waiting?  Could have been a good job and tax revenue generator in 2020
and VA has been arresting (mostly poor minorities) at an alarming rate over the last few years
Virginia prosecuted 46,000+ marijuana cases in 2018 (https://www.nbc12.com/2019/12/13/virginia-prosecuted-marijuana-cases/)
almost 20,000 people, most of them African Americans, were found guilty, leaving them with a criminal record
Wish they did something to address that
You know how screwed for life you are when you have a criminal record...even a misdemeanor, most people won't even consider hiring you
Just a state holiday...so not really sure that many people other than people working for the state of VA
but it's a start
It does nothing for the poorest percentage of the population whose jobs most interfere with getting to the polls.
That's what I thought, does essentially nothing (getting rid of Lee-Jackson day was a good move tho), but CNN and others ran this as the headline.  So many other big deal things were passed

I see it as a goal for federal government and we have to start somewhere
But I guess federal government can’t compel Texas , for example, right?
Not to mention the specter of Supreme Court overriding anything remotely progressive
I don't know how federal holidays work.  As a private business, you can operate on any day and compel your staff to work.  Any Gov't orgs (fed/state/local), Financial, probably most non-profits all get those days off.  So a federal holiday still wouldn't compel most employeers to give the day off...but if it was a federal holiday, I think that close to 75% of the working population would get to take advantage of that.
but not as Jules said...the working poor, as those jobs don't get holidays, PTO or sick days.  so they are still disenfranchised.  That's why early and votebymail are more important that a holiday imo

I have to believe come November Republicans are going to get wiped out
my schadenfreude might give me an aneurysm on that news

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 14, 2020, 08:20:02 am
Glad to hear good news out of Wisconsin....sucks people may likely die because of it
although I'd like to talk to these 500 people John Delaney    534 votes    Tulsi had a strong showing, almost beating local Amy and beating Tom S and Yang

Rep. Justin Amash says he’s looking ‘closely’ at White House run w/ the libertarian party...kinda good news as someone old school republicans would feel good about voting for.  You would think the teaparty crew would love him...but as we've seen that was a bullshit revolution based mostly on racism
my only fear it is where the bernie bros will go
I think he would be great on the debate stage and really steal Trumps spotlight



Unrelated...
this is a shocking turn for someone who defended the president on the Senate floor
Jonathan Turley@JonathanTurley
President Trump just stated that the power of the federal government is "absolute."  That would effectively negate federalism and a variety of other constitutional principles. "Absolutes" find little sanctuary within our constitutional system of limited and shared powers.
7:32 PM · Apr 13, 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 14, 2020, 01:21:13 pm
Rep. Justin Amash says he’s looking ‘closely’ at White House run w/ the libertarian party...kinda good news as someone old school republicans would feel good about voting for. 

that would be a piece of news that would brighten my week.  nay, month.  just need Amash to siphon off a few votes in PA, a few in AZ, maybe a sprinkling in WI and MI too...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2020, 01:30:00 pm
Rep. Justin Amash says he’s looking ‘closely’ at White House run w/ the libertarian party...kinda good news as someone old school republicans would feel good about voting for. 

that would be a piece of news that would brighten my week.  nay, month.  just need Amash to siphon off a few votes in PA, a few in AZ, maybe a sprinkling in WI and MI too...

Would he actually siphon off Trump votes more than he would siphon off Never Trumpers who would have been fine voting for Biden?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 14, 2020, 03:03:54 pm
Would he actually siphon off Trump votes more than he would siphon off Never Trumpers who would have been fine voting for Biden?
I agree, but I do think some of those NT would be happy to vote not for a democrat and ensure a trump loss
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 14, 2020, 03:52:39 pm
not that this is at all surprising....Obama's endorsement of Joe Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 14, 2020, 06:17:00 pm
(https://imageproxy.themaven.net/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fmaven-user-photos%2Ftheintellectualist%2Fnews%2FmYU3wDD7m0KJ6-CkkxRXfQ%2F5WWcwv06MkWOjjtH6vD-EA?w=788&q=40&h=414.3566666666667&auto=format&fit=crop&crop=focalpoint&fp-x=0.5&fp-y=0.5&fp-z=1&fp-debug=false)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 03:36:36 pm
not all bad news out of MI today

Wendy Weiser@WendyRWeiser
BREAKING: Federal appeals court upholds Michigan's independent redistricting commission--passed overwhelmingly by MI voters in 2018--against a constitutional attack
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2020, 03:22:41 pm
Just heard TX is allowing no-excuses absentee voting in 2020 (of course the TX GOP is appealing that ruling)

I was happy to learn this today
The six most important swing states for the Electoral College map — Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Florida, and North Carolina — all allow voters to request mail-in or absentee ballots for any reason


VA I guess is considered blue and no longer a battleground state...but we have no-excuse here now too

Voters still have to request them, unlike Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah

I think this year there is going to be a big push to get people to request their absentee ballot (as well as registering to vote)
I know I'm going to try to help in this effort


I do think VBM does advantage the dems...but honestly, I think it's the fair way to make sure everyone votes
Study finds universal vote-by-mail doesn't provide advantage to either GOP or Democrats (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/493133-study-finds-universal-vote-by-mail-doesnt-provide-advantage-to-either-gop)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2020, 03:53:14 pm
SCOTS docket
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVqXTR8XgAAuD_Q?format=png&name=360x360)
@CSPAN
 announced that it will broadcast Supreme Court arguments in May.

So on May 12, Trump's attempt to block House subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and his accounting firm Mazars, as well as a Manhattan DA probe, will be televised.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2020, 07:11:22 pm
https://twitter.com/NightlyPolitics/status/1252010158122651648
“Once it was reluctantly aroused. It was hard to get it aroused. And it is hard to get it aroused. But we got it aroused."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on April 19, 2020, 09:07:22 pm
has this been dis,cussed already, and I'm just too lazy to look for it?

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/28/joes-other-woman-could-michelle-obama-be-persuaded-to-be-bidens-vp_partner/

I'm not sure, how I feel about that, but I know every republican:s head would blow the fuck off if it happened.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on April 20, 2020, 11:57:16 am
Wtf

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_NMoDmBTPs/?igshid=17iqtwn8tclvm
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 20, 2020, 12:04:09 pm
And dragging dc own DJ kool with that crap

These tactics are not to get black votes
It is to make those non-racist trump supporters feel ok with being associated with a bunch of racists since “they are racist too”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 20, 2020, 04:52:38 pm
Trump thought he was the DealMaker when he used our money to buy oil at $30 a Barrel to fill the oil reserves
going for $1 a barrel now (a misleading number I agree)

Oil Prices Hit $1 Following A 90% Crash (https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Black-Monday-Oil-Prices-Fall-Below-5-Per-Barrel.html)

in February everything was going just perfect for a 2nd term
things change quick

Although I don't put some insane October surprise by his crew of crazies
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 24, 2020, 07:57:34 am
Trump said China will “own” the U.S. if Biden wins.

Trump owes tens of millions to the Bank of China — and the loan is due soon (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475)

it seems it's always about projection with this guy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 24, 2020, 03:34:58 pm
Just went to get my Absentee Ballot form in VA
and this is what is there now.  (my understanding for the General election in Nov, no excuse will be and option)


If you wish to avoid going to the polls on election day due to COVID-19, choose the first option. The second option requires medical approval and a mailed application.
Choose an Absentee Option

1. I have a reason or condition that prevents me from going to the polls on Election Day.
2. I am unable to go in person to the polls on election day because of my disability or illness and am likely to remain disabled or ill for the rest of the calendar year
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 24, 2020, 03:39:13 pm
Just went to get my Absentee Ballot form in VA
and this is what is there now.  (my understanding for the General election in Nov, no excuse will be and option)


If you wish to avoid going to the polls on election day due to COVID-19, choose the first option. The second option requires medical approval and a mailed application.
Choose an Absentee Option

1. I have a reason or condition that prevents me from going to the polls on Election Day.
2. I am unable to go in person to the polls on election day because of my disability or illness and am likely to remain disabled or ill for the rest of the calendar year

Its been like this for a couple weeks. Applied for it a bit ago. You’ve gotta do it twice to get both the June primary and the November general.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 24, 2020, 04:02:09 pm
Just went to get my Absentee Ballot form in VA
and this is what is there now.  (my understanding for the General election in Nov, no excuse will be and option)


If you wish to avoid going to the polls on election day due to COVID-19, choose the first option. The second option requires medical approval and a mailed application.
Choose an Absentee Option

1. I have a reason or condition that prevents me from going to the polls on Election Day.
2. I am unable to go in person to the polls on election day because of my disability or illness and am likely to remain disabled or ill for the rest of the calendar year

Its been like this for a couple weeks. Applied for it a bit ago. You’ve gotta do it twice to get both the June primary and the November general.

So it still was confusing and I put in my SS and Drivers ID and still wanted me to print it out and mail it
What option did you pick on the second page for the 'reason' as covid was not an option

yes annoying you can't just pick both
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 24, 2020, 04:20:08 pm
Just went to get my Absentee Ballot form in VA
and this is what is there now.  (my understanding for the General election in Nov, no excuse will be and option)


If you wish to avoid going to the polls on election day due to COVID-19, choose the first option. The second option requires medical approval and a mailed application.
Choose an Absentee Option

1. I have a reason or condition that prevents me from going to the polls on Election Day.
2. I am unable to go in person to the polls on election day because of my disability or illness and am likely to remain disabled or ill for the rest of the calendar year

Its been like this for a couple weeks. Applied for it a bit ago. You’ve gotta do it twice to get both the June primary and the November general.

So it still was confusing and I put in my SS and Drivers ID and still wanted me to print it out and mail it
What option did you pick on the second page for the 'reason' as covid was not an option

yes annoying you can't just pick both
No, if you got print and mail, you did it wrong. That is for a permanent absentee ballot for disability (I did this too at first.)

Choose an Absentee Option
X I have a reason or condition that prevents me from going to the polls on Election Day.

...

Choose an Absentee Option
X I have a reason or condition that prevents me from going to the polls on Election Day.

No print out and mail ins.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 24, 2020, 06:00:52 pm
Figured out my issue...was thinking if 6 were 9 on my driver's license
got it straightened out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 25, 2020, 09:32:00 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/nervous-republicans-see-trump-sinking-and-taking-senate-with-him/ar-BB13bhRy?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2020, 11:55:11 am
whoa...Roberts & Kavanaugh side w/ liberals on 2nd Amendment case
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2020, 12:06:07 pm
whoa...Roberts & Kavanaugh side w/ liberals on 2nd Amendment case
Ehh... they basically said the case did not need to be heard because the issue had resolved itself and they weren't going to deal with the hypothetical of "but what if it hadn't resolved itself."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2020, 12:18:48 pm
whoa...Roberts & Kavanaugh side w/ liberals on 2nd Amendment case
Ehh... they basically said the case did not need to be heard because the issue had resolved itself and they weren't going to deal with the hypothetical of "but what if it hadn't resolved itself."
I agree
there was a lot of legalese in there, so I started to fog up (was waiting for the forum's legal team to weigh in, checking notes, jules not a member)
I still think on how the story would get played out in the media, kind of a shocker that we'd get Kav to side with ANY liberal position, especially one related to gun rights
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2020, 12:23:53 pm
there was a lot of legalese in there, so I started to fog up (was waiting for the forum's legal team to weigh in, checking notes, jules not a member)
I know, it’s crazy, I can read and comprehend an article despite not being an attorney. For my next trick, I will repeat off the bottle the side effects of Excedrin despite not being a doctor.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2020, 12:27:23 pm
there was a lot of legalese in there, so I started to fog up (was waiting for the forum's legal team to weigh in, checking notes, jules not a member)
I know, it’s crazy, I can read and comprehend an article despite not being an attorney. For my next trick, I will repeat off the bottle the side effects of Excedrin despite not being a doctor.
Fun fact...took two this morning
Anything I should be aware of (as I didn't read them)?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 28, 2020, 09:06:46 pm
https://amashforamerica.com/
lets do.....this?


Exploratory Committee
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 28, 2020, 09:19:00 pm
https://amashforamerica.com/
lets do.....this?


Exploratory Committee
If he actually runs and gets the Libertarian nom, this makes Michigan even more interesting and hard-to-predict.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 29, 2020, 02:02:38 am
https://amashforamerica.com/
lets do.....this?

this would be an amazing development.  Amash could peel away a bunch of conservatives that don't like trump, but refuse to vote for a dem.

Amash has vehemently denied he was thinking of running.  shows you can't trust a politician.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 29, 2020, 08:51:07 am
https://amashforamerica.com/
lets do.....this?

this would be an amazing development.  Amash could peel away a bunch of conservatives that don't like trump, but refuse to vote for a dem.

Amash has vehemently denied he was thinking of running.  shows you can't trust a politician.

Well shit. I though that was why we all voted for Biden...in hopes that a moderate middle of the road guy would draw some of the never-Trump conservatives. If Amash gets that vote, might as well have picked Bernie.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 29, 2020, 08:54:59 am
“There is, to this day, no evidence that I had or knew about the source or content of the Wikileaks disclosures prior to their public release.”
that quote aged poorly
although it doesn't matter how much evidence we have of the Team Trump corruption
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on April 29, 2020, 09:28:24 am
Of course had we known about Covid19 wreckage we might have realized even Bernie had a good chance to beat Trump

But I guess many people would say I am overly optimistic

Still I can’t see how Trump gets re-elected

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/economy/us-economy-downturn-coronavirus/index.html

All you need is 1 or 2 people per 100 voting in WI, MI and PA to change from voting republican to voting democrat or 1 or 2 who weren’t voting to come out and vote D

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 29, 2020, 11:00:51 am
or 1 or 2 who weren’t voting to come out and vote D
This is critical and often overlooked....
4.4 million obama voters stayed home! (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjz6q2J843pAhUalnIEHV4NA0oQFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2018%2F03%2F12%2F4-4-million-2012-obama-voters-stayed-home-in-2016-more-than-a-third-of-them-black%2F&usg=AOvVaw2mqqjI6Dc4LwmpNEApJyu-)
Democratic hubris was at an alltime high and the feeling was the risk was really low that trump would take it
I don't think that's going to happen this time around(well unless we all vote by mail)


It is crazy that in Jan you were stating that Trump was the likely 2020 winner...my what a pandemic can do to predictive models
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 07, 2020, 03:00:16 pm
less than 180 days folks!

https://howlonguntiltrumpleaves.com/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2020, 12:40:34 pm
I know there are a lot of supporters here...but I have bad news

Former Gov. Jesse Ventura Announces He Will Not Be Running For President
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 10, 2020, 10:25:10 am
Being down to 177 days is encouraging...an achievement...can’t believe we have made it through 3.5 years of Trump

Now I just hope for RBG’s health and that we make it to November 3 as quickly and painlessly as possible

I now know firsthand FOUR people that have lost family to Covid19...

It suits our purpose when people dismiss polls..let’s run scared and make sure to get out the vote


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/10/politics/biden-polling/index.html

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 10, 2020, 11:00:02 am
It suits our purpose when people dismiss polls..let’s run scared and make sure to get out the vote
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/10/politics/biden-polling/index.html
I 100% agree with that.  I really think complacency was more to blame for Trump than any other single thing.
I really think that it has to start in the states, we need to make sure it's easy and reliable to vote  in every state
then play by the EC rules

Thought there would be more movement on the Vote by mail in the last month, but it seems to have stalled
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 12, 2020, 12:28:32 pm
all eyes on the SCOTUS today
can't count chickens before their hatched...but so far not looking good for donnie

Won't get a decision until june/july
you would think they would fast track this kind of decision
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 12, 2020, 01:56:37 pm
@HoarseWisperer
The crux of Trump’s lawyers argument appears to be that the man who tweeted every seven minutes for 16 hours straight two days ago is far too busy to answer subpoenas.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 13, 2020, 11:15:45 am
I think when he is re-elected he is going to pardon many people....Flynn, Stone, Manafort...all of them really...except for Cohen

Even if he isn't re-elected he will pardon those three.

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort released to home confinement amid coronavirus concerns (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-released-home-confinement/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2020, 10:55:04 am
Federal agents seized Sen. Richard Burr’s cellphone on Wednesday night as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into controversial stock trades he made as the coronavirus first struck the U.S.

So why is Burr the one getting busted?

Burr is head of the Senate Intel Committee that just released a report confirming Russia interfered to help Trump and is working on another explosive report.

Burr and Loeffler committed the same crime and only one is being made to disappear

Uncle Blazer @blakesmustache
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2020, 12:15:37 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX_Y08vXQAAxDKb?format=png&name=small)

Plan worked, Barr is a genius!...will that stop the release of Volume 5 of the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russian election interference
only time will tell
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 16, 2020, 02:36:17 pm
Justin Amash drops out


Damn that was quick


Makes one think he is a bit stupid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 16, 2020, 02:38:29 pm
Or...I hate to say it..he is smart and negotiated a deal (a future job? $?)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 16, 2020, 06:12:55 pm
Or...I hate to say it..he is smart and negotiated a deal (a future job? $?)

or he's a realist: he realized that he had zero chance of winning, and maybe his analysis showed that his candidacy would not contribute to his ultimate goal (defeating trump, one assumes... or maybe not).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 16, 2020, 06:25:38 pm
And why wouldn’t he have known this before?

Because he was stupid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on May 16, 2020, 08:15:34 pm
Is Biden ever going to pick a running mate.  Is Biden ever going to appear anywhere.  Is Biden ever going to do anything.  Is Biden real.  Is Biden ever going to tweet anything.  Is Biden ever going to be a candidate.  Is Biden ever going to have a plan for anything.  Is Biden going to show how good he may look in a pair of shorts and a Hawaiian shirt.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 16, 2020, 08:21:31 pm
He should not do much but rest and make sure he doesn’t get covid



He does post stuff on Facebook many times a day and does interviews on tv..probably also Twitter

Are you stuck under a rock?

He really should not do much more in my opinion..he is not president and should not act as a shadow one...

I think the VP has been picked...it’s Kamala Harris..won’t be announced until a week or two before convention as is customary

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 16, 2020, 08:44:49 pm
Ok I checked walkie

Biden today seven Facebook posts including two videos of him talking

I bet same on Twitter ..just checked and yeah..seven tweets including both videos


Why do you buy into this idea that he has disappeared when it’s not true?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on May 16, 2020, 08:46:44 pm
Because, I only go on Twitter for the 3 minute gay porn videos.  Facebook . . . what, am I that old?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on May 16, 2020, 09:04:09 pm
Ok I checked walkie

Biden today seven Facebook posts including two videos of him talking

I bet same on Twitter ..just checked and yeah..seven tweets including both videos


Why do you buy into this idea that he has disappeared when it’s not true?

Ok, I just went and followed him on Twitter.   I wonder if he is on OnlyFans?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 16, 2020, 10:51:54 pm
Justin Amash drops out
I think it never got past exploratory
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 18, 2020, 08:09:15 pm
169
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 18, 2020, 09:07:04 pm
169

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOzmckEdstk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 20, 2020, 03:08:13 pm
Not ruling Trump out and I think the economy could come back a ways before November but this is how I have it also...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/business/economy-election-trump-biden-jobs/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 03:28:13 pm
stop posting these...I want everyone to think trump is going to win and it's life or death if they don't vote
I still think that is a bigger reason why Hil lost and not 'the emails'

good news is lots of key states have No-excuse absentee voting
So the key is educating people on how to get and fill them and get them mailed in on time
Only problem would be Trump closing the post office from Oct 20-Nov3rd

Alaska    No-excuse absentee voting
Arizona  No-excuse absentee voting
California No-excuse absentee voting
Colorado    All-mail elections
District of Columbia No-excuse absentee voting
Florida   No-excuse absentee voting
Georgia    No-excuse absentee voting
Hawaii   All-mail elections
Idaho        No-excuse absentee voting
Illinois    No-excuse absentee voting
Iowa          No-excuse absentee voting
Kansas    No-excuse absentee voting
Maine    No-excuse absentee voting
Maryland    No-excuse absentee voting
Michigan    No-excuse absentee voting
Minnesota  No-excuse absentee voting
Montana   No-excuse absentee voting
Nebraska   No-excuse absentee voting
Nevada     No-excuse absentee voting
New JerseyNo-excuse absentee voting
New Mexico No-excuse absentee voting
North Carolina No-excuse absentee voting
North Dakota    No-excuse absentee voting
Ohio         No-excuse absentee voting
Oklahoma  No-excuse absentee voting
Oregon    All-mail elections
Pennsylvania  No-excuse absentee voting
Rhode Island No-excuse absentee voting
South Dakota    No-excuse absentee voting
Utah  All-mail elections
Vermont No-excuse absentee voting
Virginia No-excuse absentee voting
Washington All-mail elections
Wisconsin    No-excuse absentee voting
Wyoming     No-excuse absentee voting
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 03:57:06 pm

@realDonaldTrump
Michigan sends absentee ballot applications to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!

Way to go Michigan...make us proud in 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 20, 2020, 04:32:57 pm

@realDonaldTrump
Michigan sends absentee ballot applications to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!

Way to go Michigan...make us proud in 2020
Crickets about GOP Secretarys of State doing this in several red states. Key word here "applications," not ballots.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 04:36:17 pm

@realDonaldTrump
Michigan sends absentee ballot applications to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!

Way to go Michigan...make us proud in 2020
Crickets about GOP Secretarys of State doing this in several red states. Key word here "applications," not ballots.
I read this was the '2nd tweet' as he deleted the first that left out applications out and they quickly deleted and added
Not sure I understand what you are saying about the GOP SoS?
I agree...it's not a ballot which is what I want (hey if Utah, WA, CO and HI can do it...why can't we all)
but applications mailed out are better than that VA website that I had to wrestel with
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 20, 2020, 04:47:06 pm
I’m suggesting that he is complaining about a democratic SoS in Michigan mailing out applications to everyone but GOP SoSes have done the exact same thing this year in red states (Nebraska, Georgia, Iowa, West Virginia) and he isn’t losing his shit there.

And yes, tweet attempt 1 stated they were actual ballots.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 20, 2020, 06:01:56 pm
i realize i'm about to make the mistake of introducing logic and law into what trump tweeted, but here goes anyways:

elections are the responsibility of states.  a state gets to decide how ballots are cast, states make the decision of whether to allow absentee ballots.  white house has ZERO say in this.  so what is trump going on about again?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 20, 2020, 06:07:56 pm
MI Secretary of State responds

Hi again. Still wrong. Every Michigan registered voter has a right to vote by mail. I have the authority & responsibility to make sure that they know how to exercise this right - just like my GOP colleagues are doing in GA, IA, NE and WV. Also, again, my name is Jocelyn Benson.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 20, 2020, 07:13:03 pm
Michael Cohen next to be released early.  Will serve the rest of his sentence from home to "avoid COVID."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 20, 2020, 07:19:52 pm
I really don’t care about criminals in jail dying from covid.

I mean it’s like the bottom of my priorities
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 11:03:22 pm
Burr and Loeffler committed the same crime and only one is being made to disappear
and captain obvious jumps out from behind the Curtin....
documents show Sen. Kelly Loeffler's husband, and New York Stock Exchange chairman Jeffrey Sprecher gave $1 million to Trump super PAC America First Action at then end of last month

at the same time Loeffler launched a $4 million ad campaign highlighting ways she’s used her wealth for Covid aid efforts in her state. Those include donating her salary, deploying her private plane to help transport stranded cruise ship passengers and making a $1 million personal donation to a relief organization


must be nice to live in JA
"Oh darling, I used my wealth to help, they had to wash the plane down twice with something toxic to get the stench of the poor off"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 22, 2020, 10:35:30 am
sounds like we are going to get little help from the Berners...not that we didn't already know that
~2.2 million people donated to Bernie Sanders during the primary. So far, we found only about 60,000 of them have given to Joe Biden,
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 22, 2020, 10:42:39 am
You come up with the craziest stuff dude


Donating in the heat of a contested primary is different than donating to a presidential campaign six months out during a pandemic! I mean I am a Biden supporter and even I haven’t donated yet.

And how much did you donate to Biden so far? What was your total donation to Hillary last time?





Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 22, 2020, 10:58:39 am

And how much did you donate to Biden so far? What was your total donation to Hillary last time?
that's personal, but I can share that I have donated to Biden and other Dem related things
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 22, 2020, 11:11:19 am
Fantastic
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 22, 2020, 12:32:08 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/97943784_2703592223076029_8280580037678202880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQmrH8dGASutp73wXgirtbjo6idC3cUPAwmxUQX3izF0ERmg5T47DQ3td-w3ZCPPTTI&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=56d69e1f146792dfd6a0ac0d441bd517&oe=5EEC0B17)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 22, 2020, 12:42:37 pm
That’s good!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 26, 2020, 11:20:57 am
FL felons in the news again https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article242981366.html

While it sounds good, Gov DS will appeal for sure and make its way to the supremes
Sad thing is the overwhelming majority of voters in the state wanted this, but the GOP slight majority is overriding the will of the electorate


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 26, 2020, 11:25:53 am
Sad thing is the overwhelming majority of voters in the state wanted this, but the GOP slight majority is overriding the will of the electorate

story of the last ~6 years of this country.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 26, 2020, 08:28:23 pm
Twitter is fact checking a certain someone’s tweets... total meltdown on it’s way
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 26, 2020, 08:32:33 pm
160
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on May 26, 2020, 10:45:59 pm
Twitter is fact checking a certain someone’s tweets... total meltdown on it’s way

Mika'd
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 27, 2020, 08:20:48 am
So want wanted this to be true

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY-20BKU8AAkaYW?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1265431034478256128?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 27, 2020, 04:44:57 pm
So you can tell I donated to Biden...as I've been getting emails from Barack with subjects like "I'm personally asking"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on May 27, 2020, 11:18:59 pm
So, did Biden really crap his pants?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on May 27, 2020, 11:59:14 pm
Apparently Gardner is going down in CO and Mcsally is going to lose in AZ


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 28, 2020, 02:23:27 am
Apparently Gardner is going down in CO and Mcsally is going to lose in AZ

yeay, hutch posted some good news - we've turned him around!

Dems need +3, assuming Biden wins, and those two represent winnable seats.  obvs it would be nice to get some padding on that and have more than a 1-vote majority, but i'll take whatever we can get.

gawd, the thought of another blue wave in november where all 3 branches go blue is giving me LIFE.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 29, 2020, 07:06:25 am
It amuses me how little conservatives understand Terms and Conditions...

also


The quote "When the looting starts, the shooting starts" originated by a racist white Miami police chief named Walter Headley who targeted black people in 1967 ahead of the Republican convention.

Donald Trump used the same line tonight to threaten to shoot his own citizens.

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1266243601652084736?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 29, 2020, 12:33:09 pm
You don't want to piss of TayTay...

Taylor Swift@taylorswift13
After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? ‘When the looting starts the shooting starts’??? We will vote you out in November. @realdonaldtrump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 01, 2020, 09:32:52 pm
Trump must be removed. So must his congressional enablers.

George F. Will
Columnist
June 1, 2020 at 3:18 p.m. EDT

This unraveling presidency began with the Crybaby-in-Chief banging his spoon on his highchair tray to protest a photograph — a photograph — showing that his inauguration crowd the day before had been smaller than the one four years previous. Since then, this weak person’s idea of a strong person, this chest-pounding advertisement of his own gnawing insecurities, this low-rent Lear raging on his Twitter-heath has proven that the phrase malignant buffoon is not an oxymoron.

Presidents, exploiting modern communications technologies and abetted today by journalists preening as the “resistance” — like members of the French Resistance 1940-1944, minus the bravery — can set the tone of American society, which is regrettably soft wax on which presidents leave their marks. The president’s provocations — his coarsening of public discourse that lowers the threshold for acting out by people as mentally crippled as he — do not excuse the violent few. They must be punished. He must be removed.

Social causation is difficult to demonstrate, particularly between one person’s words and other persons’ deeds. However: The person voters hired in 2016 to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” stood on July 28, 2017, in front of uniformed police and urged them “please don’t be too nice” when handling suspected offenders. His hope was fulfilled for 8 minutes and 46 seconds on Minneapolis pavement.

What Daniel Patrick Moynihan termed “defining deviancy down” now defines American politics. In 2016, voters were presented an unprecedentedly unpalatable choice: Never had both major parties offered nominees with higher disapproval than approval numbers. Voters chose what they wagered would be the lesser blight. Now, however, they have watched him govern for 40 months and more than 40 percent — slightly less than the percentage that voted for him — approve of his sordid conduct.

Presidents seeking reelection bask in chants of “Four more years!” This year, however, most Americans — perhaps because they are, as the president predicted, weary from all the winning — might flinch: Four more years of this? The taste of ashes, metaphorical and now literal, dampens enthusiasm.

The nation’s downward spiral into acrimony and sporadic anarchy has had many causes much larger than the small man who is the great exacerbator of them. Most of the causes predate his presidency, and most will survive its January terminus. The measures necessary for restoration of national equilibrium are many and will be protracted far beyond his removal. One such measure must be the removal of those in Congress who, unlike the sycophantic mediocrities who cosset him in the White House, will not disappear “magically,” as Eric Trump said the coronavirus would. Voters must dispatch his congressional enablers, especially the senators who still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger for petting.

In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.

A political party’s primary function is to bestow its imprimatur on candidates, thereby proclaiming: This is who we are. In 2016, the Republican Party gave its principal nomination to a vulgarian and then toiled to elect him. And to stock Congress with invertebrates whose unswerving abjectness has enabled his institutional vandalism, who have voiced no serious objections to his Niagara of lies, and whom T.S. Eliot anticipated:

We are the hollow men . . .
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
or rats’ feet over broken glass . . .

Those who think our unhinged president’s recent mania about a murder two decades ago that never happened represents his moral nadir have missed the lesson of his life: There is no such thing as rock bottom. So, assume that the worst is yet to come. Which implicates national security: Abroad, anti-Americanism sleeps lightly when it sleeps at all, and it is wide-awake as decent people judge our nation’s health by the character of those to whom power is entrusted. Watching, too, are indecent people in Beijing and Moscow.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 01, 2020, 09:40:03 pm
Apparently Gardner is going down in CO and Mcsally is going to lose in AZ

Dems need +3, assuming Biden wins, and those two represent winnable seats.  obvs it would be nice to get some padding on that and have more than a 1-vote majority, but i'll take whatever we can get
Gardner losing is a done deal. Also need to factor in Dems will definitely lose Doug Jones seat in AL.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 03, 2020, 09:58:53 am
Not sure what to read out of this...

PA Primary
Biden - 600k~ votes
Trump - 800k~ votes

There were a lot of house primaries, but lots of them unopposed too?

for ref...6,000,000~ voted in 2016 and DT 'won' by 40k~
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Post by: gavroche on June 03, 2020, 02:41:45 pm
Not sure what to read out of this...

PA Primary
Biden - 600k~ votes
Trump - 800k~ votes

There were a lot of house primaries, but lots of them unopposed too?

for ref...6,000,000~ voted in 2016 and DT 'won' by 40k~

Enthusiasm gap is real.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 03, 2020, 09:45:20 pm
Not sure what to read out of this...
Enthusiasm gap is real.
Ok other than this fantasy that another candidate will be picked
What is the solution

Unlike any other election in my lifetime
This VP pick seems pretty critical
Conceivably could be some one who might need to take over before 2024
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 03, 2020, 10:26:35 pm
Tosh
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 03, 2020, 10:47:13 pm
My wife thinks Joe Rogen should be president. Is it conceivable Biden would pick him at VEEP? Oh wait, Joe Rogen said he's vote for Trump over Biden. Never mind.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 08:42:50 am
My wife thinks Joe Rogen should be president.
This is simultaneously the most shocking and least shocking thing ever.

fuck Joe Rogan.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 09:19:26 am
Tosh
Peter Tosh - I think he's dead, but would really get the black AND white male stoner college voter
Tosh 2.0 - good pick for the youth, but I'd say pretty questionable morals

As a word, this is new to me...so maybe what you were going for

tosh /täSH/
nouninformal•British
noun: tosh

    rubbish; nonsense.
    "it's sentimental tosh"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 04, 2020, 09:19:55 am
Not sure what to read out of this...
Enthusiasm gap is real.
Ok other than this fantasy that another candidate will be picked
What is the solution

Unlike any other election in my lifetime
This VP pick seems pretty critical
Conceivably could be some one who might need to take over before 2024

The calculus is that the election is a referendom on Trump and that there is enthusiasm for voting against him. The Dems have chosen their strategy and I don't expect things like the VP candidate will matter. 

Biden popping up and showing proof of life from time to time will probably help a bit as well.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 09:40:04 am
Biden is going to annihilate him


Trump just spent millions on ads in Ohio


Think about it

I get it..Gavroche didn’t want Biden and that’s fine


Not going to matter who he picks for VP as long as it’s Kamala Harris
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 10:07:25 am
Not going to matter who he picks for VP as long as it’s Kamala Harris
I will say she isn't getting a lot of thumbs up from the black community from her prior work as CA's AG
but maybe that's bots/Russia trying to create chaos
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 10:47:38 am
It doesn’t matter who he picks


That’s the reality


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 04, 2020, 11:00:42 am
Biden is going to annihilate him


Trump just spent millions on ads in Ohio


Think about it

I get it..Gavroche didn’t want Biden and that’s fine


Not going to matter who he picks for VP as long as it’s Kamala Harris

I hope you are right about Biden winning in a landslide. I feel confident that Biden will win the popular vote, but I don't feel confident about the electoral college (and I'd feel the same way regardless of who the Dem candidate is).  And that's not even getting into whether Trump would actually step down if he lost.

Do you not agree that there is an enthusiasm gap? The polls show one (even as Biden is leading). https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/may-25-28-2020-washington-post-abc-news-poll/bb30c35e-797e-4b5c-91fc-1a1cdfbe85cc/?itid=lk_inline_manual_3&itid=lk_inline_manual_6

Or is it your contention that somehow the VP pick can change that?  In that case, doesn't Warren do the best: https://morningconsult.com/2020/05/27/biden-warren-vice-president-poll/

Biden has been pretty invisible recently, and that seems as much a strategic choice as a practical one.  Even the fact that the Dems are likely not going to have a convention, suggests that's strategic as well. 

Do you not think that the Dems are going with the strategy of not rocking the boat and having this be a referendum on 4 years of Trump?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 04, 2020, 11:01:59 am
It doesn’t matter who he picks


That’s the reality

I think that's generally right, but I think Klobuchar would cause him problems.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 11:02:25 am
Normally I feel the VP pick doesn't help much.  I think it's key that it doesn't hurt

I think Tim Kaine didn't hurt nor help...so was a stupid pick IMO
Guy is my senator and I don't know 2 things about him he didn't deliver VA or anything else (maybe I'm wrong on this?)


They say the first 'presidential act' is picking a VP and you get judged by that

I think since Joe will be the oldest elected president the US has ever had AND we are in a pandemic that overwhelmingly kills people in their 70s-80s I do think that a VP pick is someone who will have a very high chance of becoming president before 2024, so people should care. 

With all that said...we should wait, no need to rush this pick


Biden has been pretty invisible recently, and that seems as much a strategic choice as a practical one.  Even the fact that the Dems are likely not going to have a convention, does too. 

Do you not think that the Dems are going with the strategy of not rocking the boat and having this be a referendum on 4 years of Trump?
I think it is smart to continue to let Donnie put his foot in his mouth and do stupid things
So I don't think this is a bad strategy with 153 more days from the election
I think it would be stupid in Aug/Sept, but right now I think it works
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 11:58:05 am
I think if you're looking for someone who can step right in and do the job who comes from a similar ideological perspective, then Amy is your girl. If you're looking for someone who might inspire more voters to come out, Stacey might be your girl.

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 12:35:47 pm
I think if you're looking for someone who can step right in and do the job who comes from a similar ideological perspective, then Amy is your girl. If you're looking for someone who might inspire more voters to come out, Stacey might be your girl.

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.
Every poll of young and/or black voters say they want Warren as VP. Every one.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on June 04, 2020, 12:42:27 pm

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.

Women?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 12:56:22 pm
I think if you're looking for someone who can step right in and do the job who comes from a similar ideological perspective, then Amy is your girl. If you're looking for someone who might inspire more voters to come out, Stacey might be your girl.

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.
Every poll of young and/or black voters say they want Warren as VP. Every one.

How does Pocohantas poll with Native-Americans?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 01:00:07 pm
I think if you're looking for someone who can step right in and do the job who comes from a similar ideological perspective, then Amy is your girl. If you're looking for someone who might inspire more voters to come out, Stacey might be your girl.

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.
Every poll of young and/or black voters say they want Warren as VP. Every one.

Please post links to these polls because I can't find any. She's always struck me as the favorite of the pink pussy hat crowd by not necessarily African-Americans.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 01:28:13 pm
Please post links to these polls because I can't find any. She's always struck me as the favorite of the pink pussy hat crowd by not necessarily African-Americans.
Here's one (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-biden-vice-president-cbs-news-poll/) (infographic about halfway down has racial splits).

Here's another (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/poll-biden-vice-president-experience-187056) (fourth non-italicized paragraph from the bottom).

Here's a third (https://morningconsult.com/2020/05/27/biden-warren-vice-president-poll/).

While I cannot find a formal article on this CBS poll from last week, here (https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1266221109004906497) is another reference to AA specific VP polling numbers showing Warren in the lead.

 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 01:38:07 pm
as I said and proven by these pols, I don't think the black voters are particularly jazzed about Kamala

Also, I think Amy is kinda screwed in that she was involved with a case where she let the Officer who killed George Floyd go without punishment for an incident 15 years ago...I don't know all the details, but any connection to that would be a 3rd rail
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 01:39:08 pm
Please post links to these polls because I can't find any. She's always struck me as the favorite of the pink pussy hat crowd by not necessarily African-Americans.
Here's one (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-biden-vice-president-cbs-news-poll/) (infographic about halfway down has racial splits).

Here's another (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/poll-biden-vice-president-experience-187056) (fourth non-italicized paragraph from the bottom).

Here's a third (https://morningconsult.com/2020/05/27/biden-warren-vice-president-poll/).

While I cannot find a formal article on this CBS poll from last week, here (https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1266221109004906497) is another reference to AA specific VP polling numbers showing Warren in the lead.

That's interesting. She was well behind both Biden and Bernie in Presidential polling among African-Americans.

Would it be wise to choose a 77/71 age ticket?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 01:40:21 pm
as I said and proven by these pols, I don't think the black voters are particularly jazzed about Kamala

Also, I think Amy is kinda screwed in that she was involved with a case where she let the Officer who killed George Floyd go without punishment for an incident 15 years ago...I don't know all the details, but any connection to that would be a 3rd rail

Blacks don't like Kamala because they also view her as law enforcement.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 01:40:43 pm
women live longer and she's a feisty one


Quote
Blacks don't like Kamala because they also view her as law enforcement.
Ding, ding, ding
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 01:42:56 pm
as I said and proven by these pols, I don't think the black voters are particularly jazzed about Kamala

Also, I think Amy is kinda screwed in that she was involved with a case where she let the Officer who killed George Floyd go without punishment for an incident 15 years ago...I don't know all the details, but any connection to that would be a 3rd rail

Blacks don't like Kamala because they also view her as law enforcement.
Correct on both Kamala and Klobs (who I like) -- this is not the specific moment in time for them. Val Demmings, on the other hand. . .
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 01:44:27 pm
Please post links to these polls because I can't find any. She's always struck me as the favorite of the pink pussy hat crowd by not necessarily African-Americans.
Here's one (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-biden-vice-president-cbs-news-poll/) (infographic about halfway down has racial splits).

Here's another (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/poll-biden-vice-president-experience-187056) (fourth non-italicized paragraph from the bottom).

Here's a third (https://morningconsult.com/2020/05/27/biden-warren-vice-president-poll/).

While I cannot find a formal article on this CBS poll from last week, here (https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1266221109004906497) is another reference to AA specific VP polling numbers showing Warren in the lead.

That's interesting. She was well behind both Biden and Bernie in Presidential polling among African-Americans.

Would it be wise to choose a 77/71 age ticket?
I'm not speaking to the wisdom of the ages nor explaining it, really, just reporting there are way too many polls of AA's preference at this point for this to just be a fluke or pure name recognition.

Her appeal to firing up young/female voters is obvious.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 01:52:00 pm
as I said and proven by these pols, I don't think the black voters are particularly jazzed about Kamala

Also, I think Amy is kinda screwed in that she was involved with a case where she let the Officer who killed George Floyd go without punishment for an incident 15 years ago...I don't know all the details, but any connection to that would be a 3rd rail

Blacks don't like Kamala because they also view her as law enforcement.

Also probably doesn't help that she's married to a white guy and is half Asian.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 02:30:53 pm
I'm thinking Val Demmings is a better choice than Stacy Abrams (who I think is great, just not sure everyone is on board with her yet)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 02:36:40 pm
Pish
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on June 04, 2020, 03:36:10 pm
You heard it here first, folks. Phish for President
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 04:25:55 pm
(https://comb.io/XBJrgg.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on June 04, 2020, 04:32:37 pm
as I said and proven by these pols, I don't think the black voters are particularly jazzed about Kamala

Also, I think Amy is kinda screwed in that she was involved with a case where she let the Officer who killed George Floyd go without punishment for an incident 15 years ago...I don't know all the details, but any connection to that would be a 3rd rail

Blacks don't like Kamala because they also view her as law enforcement.
Correct on both Kamala and Klobs (who I like) -- this is not the specific moment in time for them. Val Demmings, on the other hand. . .

...can also be viewed as law enforcement
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 04:43:18 pm
YEAH true, but I think she plays differently.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 05:16:36 pm
YEAH true, but I think she plays differently.
Yeah, I agree. 
Val is from FL...A big plus in terms of swing states
she is obviously a female POC
a social worker after getting her masters (in public administration?)
was a beat cop in Orlando who rose to the ranks of Cheif of Police (27 years of service)

but some not so great reviews... "a place where rogue cops operate with impunity" but may have had more to do with her predecessor

was one of seven impeachment managers...and has some great sound bites there
this is when people started to notice her

Demings has an "F" rating from the NRA (plus in my book)
Her husband was also a Chief of Police...is now a mayor

Seems like the Police stuff could end up being a little bit of a liability in this current environment


I do like Kamala, but I just think she might not be the best choice

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 05:28:28 pm
I just don’t know what Harris does to help Biden. He needs to shore up the youth vote. She does not.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 04, 2020, 05:44:52 pm
He needs to shore up the youth vote.

or, at a minimum, get a boost in a swing state.  remind me where harris is from?...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 06:10:24 pm
He needs to shore up the youth vote.

or, at a minimum, get a boost in a swing state.  remind me where harris is from?...
This is my point. I do not understand what geographically or demographically she adds! She doesn’t move the needle for youth or women, or for women as much as Abrams does (a person whose resume is so wax paper thin I’m stunned she gets mentioned, but I digress...)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 06:29:36 pm
I just don’t know what Harris does to help Biden. He needs to shore up the youth vote. She does not.

Who does? Joe Rogan, of course.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2020, 06:40:39 pm
I just don’t know what Harris does to help Biden. He needs to shore up the youth vote. She does not.

Who does? Joe Rogan, of course.
I mean, Warren does. And for some reason, Stacy Abrams.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 04, 2020, 06:44:19 pm
I do not understand what geographically or demographically she adds!

my reading is that kamala check the "minimum" box (female), and has a bonus of being POC.  that's good enough, and let's face it, biden is the candidate of good enough.  so while others might be even better than kamala, she is sufficient.  if biden has a personal preference for her (they work well together/have chemistry, has the policy chops he's looking for, etc.) then that might tip it.  i'm not saying i agree with this, just a plausible explanation...

Abrams (a person whose resume is so wax paper thin I’m stunned she gets mentioned, but I digress...)

as many rookie/inexperienced politicians have proven time and time again, the lack of a resume is a good thing.  nothing to attack.  certainly helped the orange buffoon defeat the trainwreck in 2016.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 06:57:22 pm
I don’t know what you guys are smoking




Picking someone to turn a state is pointless just as pointless as picking Kaine was (in the end)

https://theweek.com/speedreads/918128/republicans-are-reportedly-getting-worried-about-trumps-reelection-odds

Root for whoever your own pick is but at the end of the day all that matters i is it’s someone Biden is comfortable with (Obama too imo)

If we need anything it’s for black people - women- to stand in streets for 5 hours waiting to vote for Biden

I think a Black woman, even if half Asian etc , will do the trick


But it can’t be someone that the establishment and white Americans see as a threat to turn things upside down

Also can you seriously imagine a lot of raport between Joe and Val or Abrams? I don’t see it.. Joe and Harris I do

That’s my take..I think he will pick Harris but whatever



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 07:03:02 pm
Also why a black person? Because blacks delivered the nomination to Joe in a beautiful giftwrapped package with a nice bow! You think that doesn’t matter?

And after this week? You kidding me
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 07:11:16 pm
Also this half Asian thing is such a crock

Need I remind you Obama is half white

The sad reality is that fact may make Harris more palatable to many people

Another thing that’s great about Harris? She will eat Pence alive and can be ruthless in general something Biden is not prone (maybe able anymore?) to do
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 04, 2020, 07:17:12 pm

Another thing that’s great about Harris? She will eat Pence alive and can be ruthless in general something Biden is not prone (maybe able anymore?) to do
That is a key reason she is in contention
there is a good argument to have a bulldog as a VP to punch and attack from the side without sullying the record of the Candidate

I think she would eat pence alive and respond to every sad Team Trump tweet like a boss and make trump look small

She doesn't deliver a state, but seems that rarely helps

so does she depress the vote... is the question
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 08:01:35 pm
The only base she doesn’t cover is the progressive one which Warren kind of does but if you don’t think some Sanders supporters are never going to forgive her...

The optics of Biden- Warren are terrible..two elderly white  people..I don’t care what polls say it will be perceived as a major slap in the face by black people who know Biden owes them everything..Not to mention she is annoying and Trump will continue eating her alive...never mind Biden and her do not share much ideological affinity and people will make hay on their differences

This election is going to be a walk for Biden anyways but if you want a guarantee try to rebuild the Obama coalition which was fairly moderate Democrat not progressive...Hillary’s big issue was blacks not wanting to stand in line for 5 hours in Philly, Milwaukee and Detroit..it’s that simple...

At least that’s the way I see it...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 08:53:20 pm
Also this half Asian thing is such a crock

Need I remind you Obama is half white

The sad reality is that fact may make Harris more palatable to many people

Another thing that’s great about Harris? She will eat Pence alive and can be ruthless in general something Biden is not prone (maybe able anymore?) to do

Obama married a strong, beautiful black woman who gave him more cred with Blacks. Kamala married a white Jewish guy. He was also a community activist, she was law enforcement.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 04, 2020, 08:54:30 pm

Another thing that’s great about Harris? She will eat Pence alive and can be ruthless in general something Biden is not prone (maybe able anymore?) to do
That is a key reason she is in contention
there is a good argument to have a bulldog as a VP to punch and attack from the side without sullying the record of the Candidate

I think she would eat pence alive and respond to every sad Team Trump tweet like a boss and make trump look small

She doesn't deliver a state, but seems that rarely helps

so does she depress the vote... is the question

Do people give a hoot about the VP debate?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 09:06:49 pm
Well a bit..let’s say Biden falters in a debate..then it becomes slightly important

And whether people care the media writes a lot about the debates..a few days of bad press from a debate can hurt a little in the final weeks when a positive news cycle is more important than say now

Also Biden’s VP pick will get more scrutiny due to his being old

This is why less vetted candidates should be off the table..Abrams, Demings etc...number one thing is avoid a Palin
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 09:12:23 pm
Also this half Asian thing is such a crock

Need I remind you Obama is half white

The sad reality is that fact may make Harris more palatable to many people

Another thing that’s great about Harris? She will eat Pence alive and can be ruthless in general something Biden is not prone (maybe able anymore?) to do

Obama married a strong, beautiful black woman who gave him more cred with Blacks. Kamala married a white Jewish guy. He was also a community activist, she was law enforcement.

This is hogwash

What gave him credibility was he is black and was eventually perceived by blacks as being able to win

This idea that Obama was perceived as being only half black is baloney..maybe that’s the way you perceive him? But he was always the black man running for President, the black man who won Iowa, the first black president

I think you are projecting your own perceptions

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 04, 2020, 09:17:11 pm
Anyways I am done discussing this stuff....we keep saying the same shit over and everyone from their particular bent....let’s see who Biden picks

My prediction is Harris which is not a leap as she is the odds on favorite and has been since she dropped out!! Maybe even before


Then my other prediction is Biden will destroy Trump which is arguably a newer prediction since it responds to the covid19 debacle and recent events..before covid (and the tremendous economic impact) I thought Trump would win a tight one


And that’s all I got
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 05, 2020, 02:28:24 am
Also this half Asian thing is such a crock

Need I remind you Obama is half white

The sad reality is that fact may make Harris more palatable to many people

Another thing that’s great about Harris? She will eat Pence alive and can be ruthless in general something Biden is not prone (maybe able anymore?) to do

Obama married a strong, beautiful black woman who gave him more cred with Blacks.

how's this for a scenario: Biden picks Michelle Obama as his VP.  he serves his single term, and we then get 8 years of Obama v2.

i'd be OK with that.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 05, 2020, 08:22:11 am
Also this half Asian thing is such a crock

Need I remind you Obama is half white

The sad reality is that fact may make Harris more palatable to many people

Another thing that’s great about Harris? She will eat Pence alive and can be ruthless in general something Biden is not prone (maybe able anymore?) to do

Obama married a strong, beautiful black woman who gave him more cred with Blacks.

how's this for a scenario: Biden picks Michelle Obama as his VP.  he serves his single term, and we then get 8 years of Obama v2.

i'd be OK with that.
Short of (possibly) Hillary Clinton, no VP would fire up the GOP voting base more to come out than Michelle Obama, who is so hilariously unqualified she makes Stacy Abrams look like a founding father.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 05, 2020, 08:35:50 am
Yeah, Michelle, while she is great...zero government experience (worked for trump ;) )

I don't think we need to worry about the GOP voting base, they are coming out no matter what VP pick
But that base is only 35-40% of the voters...it's the people in the middle (in swing states) we need to be wary of
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 05, 2020, 08:42:34 am
 :P
Yeah, Michelle, while she is great...zero government experience (worked for trump ;) )
Trump has been an unmitigated failure in no short part because he was woefully unqualified. We are supposed to be the party of adults.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 05, 2020, 08:45:44 am
:P
Yeah, Michelle, while she is great...zero government experience (worked for trump ;) )
Trump has been an unmitigated failure in no short part because he was woefully unqualified. We are supposed to be the party of adults.
I was hoping the  ;) would imply sarcasm...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 05, 2020, 08:51:56 am
:P
Yeah, Michelle, while she is great...zero government experience (worked for trump ;) )
Trump has been an unmitigated failure in no short part because he was woefully unqualified. We are supposed to be the party of adults.
I was hoping the  ;) would imply sarcasm...
I couldn’t tell if you were saying his lack of experience (being an outsider) is part of what got him elected (“worked for him”) which is true. But his inability to even do the most basic functions of the office should’ve disproven the idea that someone from the business world can just walk in and run the office of the Presidency which I would hope is the lesson Dems take away and don’t do something stupid over the next decade like run Michelle, Oprah or Mark Cuban for President.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 05, 2020, 09:53:00 am
could be Joni is going to pay a price too

recent polling
Iowa Senate GE:
Theresa Greenfield (D) 45% (+2)
Joni Ernst (R-inc) 43%
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 05, 2020, 10:30:20 am
could be Joni is going to pay a price too

recent polling
Iowa Senate GE:
Theresa Greenfield (D) 45% (+2)
Joni Ernst (R-inc) 43%
I gotta see some more polling before I believe this seat is seriously up for grabs. I still think Trump take Iowa easily and that rising tide is gonna float some boats.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 05, 2020, 11:51:05 am
could be Joni is going to pay a price too

recent polling
Iowa Senate GE:
Theresa Greenfield (D) 45% (+2)
Joni Ernst (R-inc) 43%
I gotta see some more polling before I believe this seat is seriously up for grabs. I still think Trump take Iowa easily and that rising tide is gonna float some boats.
I agree...and it was an Emily's list poll...so not sure on the credibility
but it was still nice to see some cracks in the facade and possible senate takeover!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 05, 2020, 11:56:55 am
Senate takeover ain’t coming by way of Iowa..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 05, 2020, 03:36:24 pm
I drove to Leesburg today


I swear people looked at me funny there for wearing a mask


90 minutes on America’s roads is all it took to remember how many assholes there are in this country

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 05, 2020, 03:38:20 pm
I drove to Leesburg today


I swear people looked at me funny there for wearing a mask


90 minutes on America’s roads is all it took to remember how many assholes there are in this country

Does this mean you are downgrading your prediction of a Biden romp?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 05, 2020, 03:48:12 pm
I drove to Leesburg today

I swear people looked at me funny there for wearing a mask
While you were in your car? Yeah, I look funny at car mask people too.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on June 05, 2020, 03:51:18 pm
Yeah, Car Mask Guy is an idiot.


Unless.


Car Mask Guy is making multiple stops and doesn't want to touch the mask in between each stop.  Then Car Mask Guy is a public health icon.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 05, 2020, 04:44:23 pm
No I was on sidewalk


Not going to lie

It did give me slight pause regarding November
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 05, 2020, 05:15:50 pm
No I was on sidewalk


Not going to lie

It did give me slight pause regarding November

You don't need a mask outdoors if you can maintain 6+ distance from people at all times. I've never worn a mask outdoors.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 05, 2020, 05:31:16 pm
No I was on sidewalk


Not going to lie

It did give me slight pause regarding November

You don't need a mask outdoors if you can maintain 6+ distance from people at all times. I've never worn a mask outdoors.

so that implys there are 10 foot wide sidewalks
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 05, 2020, 05:34:36 pm
Why are people so eager to second guess me and argue stupidities?

I was waiting for a store to open to go in


You’re tiresome Space...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 05, 2020, 05:39:26 pm
Why are people so eager to second guess me and argue stupidities?
Isn't that the whole reason for the internet!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 08, 2020, 01:59:57 pm
New CNN poll
Biden 55%
Chump 41%


Let’s not f this up people
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2020, 02:30:41 pm
No I was on sidewalk


Not going to lie

It did give me slight pause regarding November

You don't need a mask outdoors if you can maintain 6+ distance from people at all times. I've never worn a mask outdoors.

so that implys there are 10 foot wide sidewalks

implies

I run on the sidewalk and leave the sidewalk and run in the road  or in the grass median if someone is coming up from the other direction. When walking the dog, we leave the sidewalk and move to the road or the grass median between the road and sidewalk. Or the other party moves out of the way. We live in a very walkable community that not that may people take advantage of so there's not at much foot  traffic.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 09, 2020, 09:20:19 am
i have a feeling i know what hatch will be showing up today  ::)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 09, 2020, 09:33:05 am
i have a feeling i know what hatch will be showing up today  ::)

did not KNEEL that one coming... thought for sure it would be ANTIFA  Provocateur, fell harder than pushed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 09, 2020, 12:40:12 pm
i have a feeling i know what hatch will be showing up today  ::)

did not KNEEL that one coming... thought for sure it would be ANTIFA  Provocateur, fell harder than pushed.
Could be a set up?

Seriously...Trump thinks that this guy staged this?! and people believe that?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 09, 2020, 12:53:13 pm


by the same people that treat OAN as a legit news network... i watched the segment and it's "reported" by someone who has also worked for a Russian propaganda network.... super creepy slight russian accent and people are eating it up.

this show will be archived in the Library of Congress
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2020, 09:41:29 am
#ditchmitch is catching some momentum!

Kentucky Senate GE:
Amy McGrath (D) 41% (+1)
Mitch McConnell (R-inc) 40%

RMG Research/@USTermLimits 5/21-24
https://termlimits.com/mcgrath/ #KYsen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on June 10, 2020, 11:35:45 am
I just heard if the Senate flips, Bernie would be the head of the Budget Committee....interesting
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 10, 2020, 03:09:10 pm
#ditchmitch is catching some momentum!

Kentucky Senate GE:
Amy McGrath (D) 41% (+1)
Mitch McConnell (R-inc) 40%

RMG Research/@USTermLimits 5/21-24
https://termlimits.com/mcgrath/ #KYsen
This and that Indiana Senate race will go exactly the same way where both will look competitive with random one-off polls showing the Dem ahead and in November the GOP will skate to like 9 point victories.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2020, 03:21:18 pm
#ditchmitch is catching some momentum!

Kentucky Senate GE:
Amy McGrath (D) 41% (+1)
Mitch McConnell (R-inc) 40%

RMG Research/@USTermLimits 5/21-24
https://termlimits.com/mcgrath/ #KYsen
This and that Indiana Senate race will go exactly the same way where both will look competitive with random one-off polls showing the Dem ahead and in November the GOP will skate to like 9 point victories.

Ok...I 100% agree with that in normal times
but it is possible that with the last few weeks of bad news for Trump...could be a GOP senate shellacking

and I will add this poll only had to do with term limits, so not even a good poll

but I like this kind of stuff to make Mitch shake in his boots a little
this did get a large amount of press and I'm sure driving him and Trump a little more crazy than before

Trump losing is #1 in my books, but Mitch losing his race too would just be the bees knees
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 10, 2020, 03:22:47 pm
what J said


Democrats should focus time, $ and energy on the flippable seats


We all hate Mitch but he is going to cruise to reelection

Trust me Mitch ain’t shaking
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2020, 03:28:32 pm
also that same poll (from may 21-24) had trump with a +17 for Trump
https://www.termlimits.com/mcgrath/

So pretty sure only KY that Dems will have is Jelly
Beshear did win the Gov as a dem....with a razor-thin margin on an off-year


Just learned that McGrath doesn't even have a lock on the dem nomination for that seat
as Booker just got an endorsement from Sanders, AOC and others
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a32815217/kentucky-senate-democrats-amy-mcgrath-charles-booker/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2020, 04:06:41 pm
I just heard if the Senate flips, Bernie would be the head of the Budget Committee....interesting

The budget committee is pretty useless, except for reconciliation instructions.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 10, 2020, 05:25:23 pm
also that same poll (from may 21-24) had trump with a +17 for Trump
https://www.termlimits.com/mcgrath/

So pretty sure only KY that Dems will have is Jelly
Beshear did win the Gov as a dem....with a razor-thin margin on an off-year


Just learned that McGrath doesn't even have a lock on the dem nomination for that seat
as Booker just got an endorsement from Sanders, AOC and others
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a32815217/kentucky-senate-democrats-amy-mcgrath-charles-booker/
Correct - McGrath is far from a lock.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2020, 10:58:49 pm
although now Jon Ossof is a lock by breaking the 50% threshold in Tuesday's Democratic Senate primary in Georgia
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 12, 2020, 06:11:06 pm
you can add "self-owning" to the list of the GOP's problems:

The GOP’s decision to keep its 2016 platform is, well, a little awkward for Trump (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/11/gops-decision-keep-its-2016-platform-is-well-little-awkward-trump/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 12, 2020, 06:21:04 pm
^wishful thinking


It doesn’t matter a whit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 12, 2020, 07:26:08 pm
absolutely, it will have little to no material impact.

however, it makes them look stupid(er) and will be great fodder for late-night hosts.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 03:43:20 pm
ahh June 2016 when Hil had a double lead in polling
Hillary Clinton Holds Double-Digit Lead Over Donald Trump, Poll Finds (https://time.com/4382957/clinton-leads-trump-new-poll/)

Let's not get complacent people
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 04:38:55 pm
Stupid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 04:59:28 pm
Stupid
I know you are but what am I
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 05:21:16 pm
Obviously everyone should do their part to make sure Biden wins as resounding a victory as possible.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 05:26:51 pm
well my point was in June 2016, everyone was citing polls that Hill was crushing
Just this week saw a number of pollsters talking the same way

I think people are motivated and energized to vote I just hope it stays that way

I really think there needs to be some movement in the states to get Vote By Mail stuff passed ASAP
You don't need the federal Gov't...it's a states thing

as the GOP will take it to court, so you need a little time to play that game
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 05:39:52 pm
20 more weeks of this...141 days to nov 3rd
I really hope we take the senate too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 16, 2020, 07:26:35 pm
Obviously everyone should do their part to make sure Biden wins as resounding a victory as possible.

‘We’re thinking landslide’: Beyond D.C., GOP officials see Trump on glide path to reelection (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/15/trump-glide-reelection-republican-officials-316457)
Conventional indicators suggest the president’s bid for a second term is in jeopardy. But state and local GOP officials see a different election unfolding.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 17, 2020, 07:12:19 am
I'm a little shocked that Trumps approval rating avg on 538 is still in the 40s

He was in the 36-37 around the Comey firing in May 2017
He was around 39 during the gov't shutdown

I know it's unlikely that he'll go below 35 even if he shoots someone on 5th ave
I would have thought it would have been lower considering the last 4 weeks/4 months

He does look like he's getting it where it hurts in the swing states
Biden...has an average advantage of 3 points or greater in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin...which is all that really matters

Alas, nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people


‘We’re thinking landslide’: Beyond D.C., GOP officials see Trump on glide path to reelection (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/15/trump-glide-reelection-republican-officials-316457)
Conventional indicators suggest the president’s bid for a second term is in jeopardy. But state and local GOP officials see a different election unfolding.
Also, if you ask the top brass at the GOP "is trump going to win" for a news article that will appear in politico, of course, they are going to say "we are going to win in a landslide" and not have to back it up with actual facts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 17, 2020, 07:37:50 am
Alas, nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people



So much truth in this, given the fact that some feel being asked/required to wear a  mask is unconstitutional...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 17, 2020, 07:58:32 am
some feel being asked/required to wear a  mask is unconstitutional...
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/M8zYTs4NCbk2ashVnK/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 17, 2020, 08:01:43 am
some feel being asked/required to wear a  mask is unconstitutional...
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/M8zYTs4NCbk2ashVnK/giphy.gif)

The GIF game is very strong here...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 17, 2020, 09:49:26 am
I'm a little shocked that Trumps approval rating avg on 538 is still in the 40s

He was in the 36-37 around the Comey firing in May 2017
He was around 39 during the gov't shutdown

I know it's unlikely that he'll go below 35 even if he shoots someone on 5th ave
I would have thought it would have been lower considering the last 4 weeks/4 months

He does look like he's getting it where it hurts in the swing states
Biden...has an average advantage of 3 points or greater in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin...which is all that really matters

Alas, nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people


‘We’re thinking landslide’: Beyond D.C., GOP officials see Trump on glide path to reelection (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/15/trump-glide-reelection-republican-officials-316457)
Conventional indicators suggest the president’s bid for a second term is in jeopardy. But state and local GOP officials see a different election unfolding.
Also, if you ask the top brass at the GOP "is trump going to win" for a news article that will appear in politico, of course, they are going to say "we are going to win in a landslide" and not have to back it up with actual facts
I think one of the important distinctions is polling of likely voters shows over 50+% very likely voting for Biden — a mark Hillary never got over. It is super hard to get people to change their mind once it’s made up, a reason Trumps approva rating floor is so high, but also a giant concern for him because that 50+% consistent figure for Biden gives him a very narrow electoral needle to thread to victory. Much more narrow than the one in 2016.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 17, 2020, 10:01:26 am
Not to mention what sidehatch refuses to accept: Hillary was leading until James Comey interfered


Some people just can’t accept that


The polls weren’t actually very wrong if at all but some people just want to believe what they want to believe




Why did Hillary go speak in Michigan or close her campaign in Pennsylvania? Cause they knew...they had the polls

Of course one shouldn’t walk around telling people it’s in the bag don’t bother to vote....everyone should vote..duh


But I would argue the situation is only improving for Biden with the spike in covid in FL and AZ...

Add that spike to what happened in MI and PA - key electoral states-from covid and I really think the outlook for Trump is pretty dire




Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 17, 2020, 10:07:24 am
Not to mention what sidehatch refuses to accept: Hillary was leading until James Comey interfered
can confirm
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 17, 2020, 10:11:10 am
I think one of the important distinctions is polling of likely voters shows over 50+% very likely voting for Biden
didn't smakie post an Economist article that Dems pretty much have to get 53-54% of the popular vote to win the Electoral college

I don't know how the GOP can look at you with a straight face and say that is a fair election
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 17, 2020, 10:13:48 am
They don’t! They look at you with a straight face and tell you it’s rigged against them!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 17, 2020, 10:19:58 am
I think one of the important distinctions is polling of likely voters shows over 50+% very likely voting for Biden
didn't smakie post an Economist article that Dems pretty much have to get 53-54% of the popular vote to win the Electoral college
If he did, then either The Economist is wrong or you are missing some nuance. Hillary was 100,000 votes away from an electoral win and only garnered 48.x% of the popular vote. 53% might be some figure that guarantees it when you normalize for states but anyone telling you there is no path for Biden to win electoral college with a mere 51-49% popular vote lead is wrong. The demographics (especially in suburbs) have changed in 3.5 years.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 17, 2020, 10:45:04 am
If he did, then either The Economist is wrong or you are missing some nuance.
Both those seem likely candidates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 17, 2020, 10:52:07 am
Ugh..I have to go with candidate b
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 17, 2020, 11:30:19 am
Is it wrong for me to get joy out of the stories coming from this twitter account
Republican Voters Against Trump @RVAT2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on June 17, 2020, 02:38:13 pm
I'm a little shocked that Trumps approval rating avg on 538 is still in the 40s

He was in the 36-37 around the Comey firing in May 2017
He was around 39 during the gov't shutdown

I know it's unlikely that he'll go below 35 even if he shoots someone on 5th ave
I would have thought it would have been lower considering the last 4 weeks/4 months

He does look like he's getting it where it hurts in the swing states
Biden...has an average advantage of 3 points or greater in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin...which is all that really matters

Alas, nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people


‘We’re thinking landslide’: Beyond D.C., GOP officials see Trump on glide path to reelection (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/15/trump-glide-reelection-republican-officials-316457)
Conventional indicators suggest the president’s bid for a second term is in jeopardy. But state and local GOP officials see a different election unfolding.
Also, if you ask the top brass at the GOP "is trump going to win" for a news article that will appear in politico, of course, they are going to say "we are going to win in a landslide" and not have to back it up with actual facts


No matter what you do or how you look at it, 1/3 of America is and will always be crazy.

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 08:12:55 am
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/politics/americans-unhappy-polling-analysis/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 18, 2020, 08:31:44 am
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/politics/americans-unhappy-polling-analysis/index.html
Julians America suffers no such morale issues. Stiff upper lip!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 18, 2020, 09:40:42 am
I've not seen verification of this as you know info on the interwebs is  not always true...

But word is that a bunch of k-pop fans were trolling a certain person's campaign and requested that large number of rally tickets that keeps getting touted.

If this is true kudos given..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 18, 2020, 10:26:23 am
<head explodes gif>

SCOTUS rules that Trump's rescission of DACA was  "arbitrary and capricious" because it failed to provide the necessary "reasoned judgment" for its decision and failed to address reliance interests

image that quite the temper tantrum is being thrown right now...

pretty sure which side or hatch is showing up later today :)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 10:33:21 am
pretty sure which side or hatch is showing up later today :)
Hmm...not sure why this bot has me tagged for abuse
but I came here to post the same news

I do like  "arbitrary and capricious"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 10:34:36 am
Sometimes it appears John Roberts is the only thing keeping us from going over the cliff

Probably the best thing GWB did as president was appoint him...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 10:51:15 am
I think Dan's response was classic

Dan Rather@DanRather
First LGBTQ rights and now DACA? I don’t think John Roberts is going to be invited to the White House Christmas party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 18, 2020, 11:40:02 am
Sometimes it appears John Roberts is the only thing keeping us from going over the cliff

Probably the best thing GWB did as president was appoint him...

Lets not forget Citizen's United and Shelby County.  Roberts is the reason we have Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 11:41:58 am
No

The election was decided by less than 200,000 votes


There are MANY reasons we can choose

I go with deluded Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Hillary but YMMV

Or Comey

In such a close election there isn’t one reason

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 11:49:36 am
And citizens utd?


What’s your argument?

Hillary outspent Trump

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 12:01:56 pm
And citizens utd?


What’s your argument?

Hillary outspent Trump
and Jeb had like 100mil in the bank and couldn't beat trump in the primries with that war chest...but to be fair he didn't have putin in his corner

I don't use this as justification for keeping CU, but shows how money isn't the only thing needed to win



to be clear, I think CU is a horrible
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 12:03:10 pm
Sometimes it appears John Roberts is the only thing keeping us from going over the cliff

Probably the best thing GWB did as president was appoint him...

Ok...trump actually made me laugh today
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Do you get the impression that the Supreme Court doesn’t like me?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 18, 2020, 12:04:21 pm
And citizens utd?


What’s your argument?

Hillary outspent Trump

I was talking more about the system that led to Trump rather than the specifics of the 2016 election. 

Citizen's United has had a massive influence on everything, and fundamentally altered the balance of the system. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 18, 2020, 12:07:16 pm
And citizens utd?


What’s your argument?

Hillary outspent Trump

I was talking more about the system that led to Trump rather than the specifics of the 2016 election. 

Citizen's United has had a massive influence on everything, and fundamentally altered the balance of the system,

And I'd content it's a big reason for the move right of the Republican Party (and reinforced their focus on the Courts).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 18, 2020, 12:17:29 pm
But word is that a bunch of k-pop fans were trolling a certain person's campaign and requested that large number of rally tickets that keeps getting touted.

If this is true kudos given..

i'm not sure this was such a great thing.  it gives trump a talking/shouting point that he can spin ("ONE MILLION WANT TO COME TO MY RALLY!").  the arena will be full regardless.  i'd be down with this plan if it resulted in trump walking out to a mostly empty arena - "hey, where is everybody?" - but there are enough trumpers hanging around outside the venue that they can flood it with stand-ins pretty quickly.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 12:20:39 pm
Quote
Just learned that McGrath doesn't even have a lock on the dem nomination for that seat
as Booker just got an endorsement from Sanders, AOC and others
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a32815217/kentucky-senate-democrats-amy-mcgrath-charles-booker/
Correct - McGrath is far from a lock.

Dang McGrath seems to be falling apart  (even with a 30-40 million campaign chest)

Kentucky Senate Democratic Primary:
Charles Booker 44%
Amy McGrath 36%
Mike Broihier 4%
Mary Ann Tobin 1%

@Civiqs /@DataProgress  6/13-15


Don't feel like there was much polling on Booker v Mitch yet

He is from the biggest city Louisville...but KY has only an 8% black population

Other interesting demo stats
3% Hispanic
21% graduated college

They do have early voting (yeah) and primary ends on june 22nd

Got my eyes on this...maybe for sadistic reasons as Mitch is likely to win
but other than Trump losing, I so want Mitch to suffer defeat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 18, 2020, 12:25:55 pm
But word is that a bunch of k-pop fans were trolling a certain person's campaign and requested that large number of rally tickets that keeps getting touted.

If this is true kudos given..

i'm not sure this was such a great thing.  it gives trump a talking/shouting point that he can spin ("ONE MILLION WANT TO COME TO MY RALLY!").  the arena will be full regardless.  i'd be down with this plan if it resulted in trump walking out to a mostly empty arena - "hey, where is everybody?" - but there are enough trumpers hanging around outside the venue that they can flood it with stand-ins pretty quickly.

fair point, but it still amuses me.. plus, it means all the "data" they are getting is worthless.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 12:27:19 pm
Got my eyes on this...maybe for sadistic reasons as Mitch is likely to win
but other than Trump losing, I so want Mitch to suffer defeat

Update...Mitch is DEFINITELY going to win
KENTUCKY
Trump 57% (+20)
Biden 37%
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 12:28:49 pm
And citizens utd?


What’s your argument?

Hillary outspent Trump

I was talking more about the system that led to Trump rather than the specifics of the 2016 election. 

Citizen's United has had a massive influence on everything, and fundamentally altered the balance of the system.


Yawn
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 18, 2020, 12:35:05 pm
And citizens utd?


What’s your argument?

Hillary outspent Trump

I was talking more about the system that led to Trump rather than the specifics of the 2016 election. 

Citizen's United has had a massive influence on everything, and fundamentally altered the balance of the system.


Yawn

I agree it's not sexy, which is why it never got folks in the street.  We'll have to agree to disagree on it's importance.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 12:39:16 pm
I didn’t say it’s not important but what are you arguing? We would be better off with another Alito? John Roberts has sided with liberals on some big decisions that have impacted millions positively from health care to DACA to huge acronym rights

Just recognize it and don’t be so immature: “Oh it’s not exactly what I want on every ruling so he sucks!”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 12:44:13 pm
And whether you like him or not Roberts (and RBG hanging on) are probably the only thing standing between us and a full fledged totalitarian fascist state.


So spare me the whining about how you don’t like this Roberts vote or that..we all wish he was more liberal but he was appointed by a Republican president..have you seen the other conservative justices????
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 18, 2020, 01:04:38 pm
Got my eyes on this...maybe for sadistic reasons as Mitch is likely to win
but other than Trump losing, I so want Mitch to suffer defeat

Update...Mitch is DEFINITELY going to win
KENTUCKY
Trump 57% (+20)
Biden 37%
Correct. This is a non-starter. The DNC should waste not one cent on Kentucky Senate.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 18, 2020, 01:26:46 pm
But word is that a bunch of k-pop fans were trolling a certain person's campaign and requested that large number of rally tickets that keeps getting touted.

If this is true kudos given..

i'm not sure this was such a great thing.  it gives trump a talking/shouting point that he can spin ("ONE MILLION WANT TO COME TO MY RALLY!").  the arena will be full regardless.  i'd be down with this plan if it resulted in trump walking out to a mostly empty arena - "hey, where is everybody?" - but there are enough trumpers hanging around outside the venue that they can flood it with stand-ins pretty quickly.

fair point, but it still amuses me.. plus, it means all the "data" they are getting is worthless.

you're assuming they care about the validity or worth of data... trump is happy to tout unfounded, out-of-context results that align with his objectives.  he doesn't care where the numbers came from.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 01:28:10 pm
to huge acronym rights
(https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/i-see-what-you-did-there-gif-12.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 01:32:57 pm
he was appointed by a Republican president..have you seen the other conservative justices????
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
I will be releasing a new list of Conservative Supreme Court Justice nominees, which may include some, or many of those already on the list, by September 1, 2020. If given the opportunity, I will only choose from this list, as in the past, a Conservative Supreme Court Justice...Based on decisions being rendered now, this list is more important than ever before (Second Amendment, Right to Life, Religous Liberty, etc.) – VOTE 2020!


Hmm...this tactic seemed to work with his base
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 18, 2020, 01:33:36 pm
But word is that a bunch of k-pop fans were trolling a certain person's campaign and requested that large number of rally tickets that keeps getting touted.

If this is true kudos given..

i'm not sure this was such a great thing.  it gives trump a talking/shouting point that he can spin ("ONE MILLION WANT TO COME TO MY RALLY!").  the arena will be full regardless.  i'd be down with this plan if it resulted in trump walking out to a mostly empty arena - "hey, where is everybody?" - but there are enough trumpers hanging around outside the venue that they can flood it with stand-ins pretty quickly.

fair point, but it still amuses me.. plus, it means all the "data" they are getting is worthless.

you're assuming they care about the validity or worth of data... trump is happy to tout unfounded, out-of-context results that align with his objectives.  he doesn't care where the numbers came from.

he doesn't give a shit about anything but himself, it was one of his campaign morons that was all giddy about the numbers.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 18, 2020, 01:57:02 pm
I didn’t say it’s not important but what are you arguing? We would be better off with another Alito? John Roberts has sided with liberals on some big decisions that have impacted millions positively from health care to DACA to huge acronym rights

Just recognize it and don’t be so immature: “Oh it’s not exactly what I want on every ruling so he sucks!”

No argument from me that Roberts is the new center of the Court.  But that center is to the right of where it was when Kennedy was on the Court, let alone Rehnquist.  The Republican party wasn't as crazy during Bush's term as it is now and I disagree that the only choices were Alito 2.0 or Roberts.  Plus, Bush was President so he could make any choice he wanted to.  Why would I applaud him for Roberts, who has been generally terrible. 

More importantly though, Roberts has ruled with the liberals on some relatively unimportant cases and on the big system stuff he consistently sides with the Conservatives.  And his opinions suggest he's willing to take some major steps like unwinding the non-delegation doctrine.  DACA is important, but he ruled on a technicality of administrative procedure, not on anything durable.  Same thing with the Census. I don't take a lot of heart in that or have faith in Robert's willingness to stand up to the fascist state. 

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 02:02:16 pm
Righto Obamacare wasn’t important



There is no saving you Gavroche!

You are more pessimistic and negative than me...which is saying something

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 02:22:59 pm
damn...Facebook is taking down A trump ad today!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 18, 2020, 02:49:10 pm
Righto Obamacare wasn’t important



There is no saving you Gavroche!

You are more pessimistic and negative than me...which is saying something

Obamacare impacts a lot of people, just like DACA does. I would never minimize the direct impact that it has on millions of people's lives.  Still, the decisions that I think are truly lasting are they ones that define the rules of the political field.  (And as an aside I don't feel all that safe that the Court will maintain Obamacare this second time around). Cases like Rucho that have a direct effect on transitions of power rather than individual policy issues or proposals. The Census decision (where Roberts split from the right) was way more impactful to me than Obamacare is.  And if Roberts rules that Congress has subpoena power I'd also see that as an important split.   

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 18, 2020, 04:38:54 pm
Just when quite possibly the idiot Congressman from FL couldn’t do anything dumber he announces to the world he has a “son”... we really are living in Idiocracy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 04:42:22 pm
Matt Gaetz is on the bus
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 18, 2020, 04:43:17 pm
Just when quite possibly the idiot Congressman from FL couldn’t do anything dumber he announces to the world he has a “son”... we really are living in Idiocracy

kosmo-to-english translation: GOP Rep. Gaetz reveals Cuban son on Twitter after clash with Dem congressman (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gaetz-reveals-adopted-cuban-son-clash-richmond)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 18, 2020, 04:50:24 pm
Just when quite possibly the idiot Congressman from FL couldn’t do anything dumber he announces to the world he has a “son”... we really are living in Idiocracy

kosmo-to-english translation: GOP Rep. Gaetz reveals Cuban son on Twitter after clash with Dem congressman (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gaetz-reveals-adopted-cuban-son-clash-richmond)

I think by "son," Kosmo meant "pool boy," right?

When this “adoption” of a 12-year-old Cuban immigrant happened, Matt was 27 with a DUI or two.  What agency or program would allow this?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 04:58:39 pm
Gaetz is still on bus and biggest tool but I take back my comment
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 18, 2020, 05:40:35 pm
Matt Gaetz is on the bus
Gaetz is still on bus

what is this new expression you keep using?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 05:50:26 pm
You put all the people you really can’t stand on the bus and drive it off the cliff


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 05:53:21 pm
You put all the people you really can’t stand on the bus and drive it off the cliff
I don't think this will fit all of the GOP
(https://img2.chinadaily.com.cn/images/201904/02/5ca2bf08a3104842e4a6ae13.jpeg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 05:55:04 pm
You only put a few politicians on bus
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 05:57:38 pm
You only put a few politicians on bus
Seems like this is worthy of a thread.
You get to put 10 people on a bus...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 06:42:52 pm
wow...fox news poll if voting today
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/06/1862/1048/BidenPoll2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
I'm surprised they even published the results
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 18, 2020, 08:53:34 pm
Todler
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 10:31:49 pm
Any Klobuchar announces she is withdrawing from consideration for VP....



Says it should be a black woman



And her name is Kamala Harris


(Ok she didn’t say that last part)


Kind of a stupid thing to say imnsho (even if true)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 19, 2020, 07:50:08 am
She’s effing Elizabeth Warren.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 19, 2020, 08:34:26 am
Elizabeth Warren is black?

I thought she was Native American?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 10:17:21 am
wow...fox news poll if voting today
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/06/1862/1048/BidenPoll2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
I'm surprised they even published the results

somewhat predictable
 
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
.@FoxNews  is out with another of their phony polls, done by the same group of haters that got it even more wrong in 2016. Watch what happens in November. Fox is terrible!


I guess MAGA's will have to start watchin' OANN
I heard word that Team Trump is trying to roll out an App for news, so they can skip the middle man
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 19, 2020, 10:21:01 am
Sad thing is his cult members believe there is some “silent majority” that is going make him win a landslide and when he doesn’t Trump will say to them it was rigged and they will lap it up

Notable stat from that poll is Trump wins the white vote (white men overwhelmingly)

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 10:39:26 am
Elizabeth Warren is black?

Tulsi seems to think she should be a candidate for Female POC
https://twitter.com/neoblackout/status/1273840301136687104

Can't imagine after her tussle with Hillary that she'll have any support in the DNC
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 19, 2020, 10:56:41 am
Or the fact she is certifiable
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 19, 2020, 11:40:13 am
zero chance of tulsi.  the way the last part of campaign went, the way she went against Dem dogma... no way.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 12:05:36 pm
so...Tusli isn't actively doing this...this was some fan
I did notice she is still getting votes in the thousands in primaries in the last month

6/2
DC - 351
IN - 2531
MD - 3140

6/9
GA-3721
WV - 4066

Oddly 5/22
HI - ZERO
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 19, 2020, 12:06:23 pm
Elizabeth Warren is black?

I thought she was Native American?
No, she isn't black. I was saying Klobs comment is a direct shot against Warren and for Kamala.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 19, 2020, 12:13:31 pm
Yeah I figured


Just couldn’t resist




I think it’s such a dumb thing to say I have to think she did so to make trouble and also cover herself as she wasn’t getting picked
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 19, 2020, 12:15:27 pm
I heard word that Team Trump is trying to roll out an App for news, so they can skip the middle man

well, they already have an app that is a social media ecosystem unto itself, so i imagine that any "news" service they roll out will be part of that app.

i won't post a link to the app, lest i boost its google juice (yeah right...) but for a description of and discussion about it, check out The Daily DC: "Welcome to Team Trump Online" (https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/daily-dc?episodeguid=5ac2b4a9-affc-4359-b684-abc1015b636c)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 12:29:41 pm
I heard word that Team Trump is trying to roll out an App for news, so they can skip the middle man

well, they already have an app that is a social media ecosystem unto itself, so i imagine that any "news" service they roll out will be part of that app.
yeah but twitter and FB allow people to post negative and contradictory responses (even if they are true)
In their own ecosystem, they could just delete those comments with no repercussions
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 19, 2020, 01:16:12 pm
I heard word that Team Trump is trying to roll out an App for news, so they can skip the middle man

well, they already have an app that is a social media ecosystem unto itself, so i imagine that any "news" service they roll out will be part of that app.
yeah but twitter and FB allow people to post negative and contradictory responses (even if they are true)
In their own ecosystem, they could just delete those comments with no repercussions

right, and my point is they already have an app with hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of users.  circumventing "lame stream" social media platforms is exactly the point of the app. 

it wouldn't make sense for them to release a separate "news" app.  i would think they'd add a "news" page/tab/section/etc to the existing app.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 20, 2020, 12:18:40 pm
Wait, we are bombing Bolton now?
Does congress have to approve that?


I have a feeling tonight’s rally is going to be a thing for the history books of the future
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 22, 2020, 05:44:33 am
Remind me again who the snowflakes are in this country?

 NPR posts photo which inaccurately illustrates story

Conservatives lose their minds and start hashtag #defundnpr which of course fails spectacularly.. because checks notes listener supported

Also feel sorry for the poor analyst who gets to try to figure which rally ticket requests were legit verses bogus
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 22, 2020, 02:07:44 pm
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2020/6/22/elizabeth-warren-leads-the-vice-presidential-choice

New polling in which Warren continues to be the favorite VP candidate among virtually every subgroup of voters including youth and POC.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 22, 2020, 02:23:38 pm
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2020/6/22/elizabeth-warren-leads-the-vice-presidential-choice

New polling in which Warren continues to be the favorite VP candidate among virtually every subgroup of voters including youth and POC.

But I just know that Kamala is going to be better with African Americans.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 22, 2020, 02:58:35 pm
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2020/6/22/elizabeth-warren-leads-the-vice-presidential-choice

New polling in which Warren continues to be the favorite VP candidate among virtually every subgroup of voters including youth and POC.

But I just know that Kamala is going to be better with African Americans.
Not sure if you’re being serious.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 22, 2020, 03:00:47 pm
I doubt it...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 22, 2020, 03:34:53 pm
I doubt it...
agreed, was ready for a response, but then realized
(https://i.gifer.com/1zbn.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 22, 2020, 03:53:30 pm
I doubt it...
agreed, was ready for a response, but then realized
(https://i.gifer.com/1zbn.gif)

Kidding aside, the problem with Warren is the gymnastics that the D's have to do to hold onto her seat.  Cannot risk letting Mitch keep the Senate, even for 160 days.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 22, 2020, 04:44:35 pm
Kidding aside, the problem with Warren is the gymnastics that the D's have to do to hold onto her seat.  Cannot risk letting Mitch keep the Senate, even for 160 days.
I agree...the MA gov is a Republican and will certainly appoint a MAGA diehard and that will be bad
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 22, 2020, 04:55:14 pm
Kidding aside, the problem with Warren is the gymnastics that the D's have to do to hold onto her seat.  Cannot risk letting Mitch keep the Senate, even for 160 days.
I agree...the MA gov is a Republican and will certainly appoint a MAGA diehard and that will be bad
I believe the Dems are trying to quickly pass a “senate replacements must be someone of the same party” bill. But yeah, that’s in play.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 22, 2020, 05:39:37 pm
Kidding aside, the problem with Warren is the gymnastics that the D's have to do to hold onto her seat.  Cannot risk letting Mitch keep the Senate, even for 160 days.
I agree...the MA gov is a Republican and will certainly appoint a MAGA diehard and that will be bad
I believe the Dems are trying to quickly pass a “senate replacements must be someone of the same party” bill. But yeah, that’s in play.
never gonna happen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 22, 2020, 05:51:39 pm
Kidding aside, the problem with Warren is the gymnastics that the D's have to do to hold onto her seat.  Cannot risk letting Mitch keep the Senate, even for 160 days.
I agree...the MA gov is a Republican and will certainly appoint a MAGA diehard and that will be bad
I believe the Dems are trying to quickly pass a “senate replacements must be someone of the same party” bill. But yeah, that’s in play.
never gonna happen
If I am not mistaken, MA Dems have veto-proof majorities in both houses of their legislature.

EDIT: I have confirmed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 22, 2020, 07:08:25 pm

I think if you are conservative about the choice (don’t care to make a splash) you go with Kamala Harris...if you are into rocking the boat you go with Val Demings...Susan Rice could be a sort of compromise choice


So I agree with the betting markets

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28009878/multi-market?marketIds=1.168954647


Picking the VP based on how she is polling seems a bit fraught to me... making comments like “Black people like Warren better than Kamala” or “Kamala is not really black” seem bizarre

More likely people have their own preferences and look for anything they can to back it up...someone who is a “progressive” left winger is obviously going to prefer Warren and see it from that perspective

And anytime I make an argument for why Kamala Harris is a better pick they are going to ignore it and say “I just don’t see what Kamala Harris brings..”

Obviously there must be some reason she has been the favorite this entire time...

Still can’t get over Klobuchar saying it should be a black woman.. it’s tempting to think she is in communication with Biden and would have “cleared” it..after all even if she is not VP she must have her eye on a plum job in a Biden administration.. it’s not VP or nothing... running a Department is a pretty big deal.. she wouldn’t want to say something to really tick off the Biden camp and endanger her future prospects in a Biden administration....and yet, who knows? It struck me at first as tone deaf but what if she’s working with Biden to lay the terrain for the Kamala pick? Or Demings or Rice or?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 22, 2020, 07:11:17 pm
For the record, I’ve never said Kamala isn’t really black. I just think she adds nothing to the ticket.

Warren is a unity ticket that reaches out to progressives and young folks, which is Biden’s weakest democratic bonafides. No one has explained to me yet what Kamala adds to Biden’s coalition (who won the nomination on the back of AA votes) other than a ton of baggage around her times as a prosecutor.

I’m more interested in Lujan-Grisham than Kamala if I’m Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 22, 2020, 07:52:44 pm
Come on man it’s different to win the nomination on the backs of blacks (I am done saying African American but someone clue me in if I shouldn’t be..it is getting a bit ridiculous) than it is to get every black person out there - people that don’t usually vote in primaries-you can to vote in the general..to wait in line five hours! I happen to believe black women are going to get out more to vote if a black woman is on the ticket. This idea that they are going to en masse  come out to vote for Warren in the cities of Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit, etc.    well. I just don’t see her maximizing the vote

Moreover doubling down on old and white just isn’t going to happen.

It just comes down to how you view 2016...why did Obama coalition break down? Which part needs the most shoring up..some people think we have to go for the imaginary Trumpers that could be swayed (they point to Klobuchar), others think it’s the progressive wing, etc

As far as Kamala Harris I listed her attributes a few weeks ago..we already did this...she is super vetted, experienced and ready to take over on day 2,  relatively young, good looking, sharpest tool in shed, can be effective attack dog, will whip Pence, etc




Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 22, 2020, 07:59:24 pm
The only potential downside to Harris might be if they find something really bad about her time as California AG or how she climbed up the California Democratic Party...using that San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown?

Maybe that..otherwise what is not to like?

She’s not liberal enough? To me that’s a plus.. My message to the progressives is “You get nothing!”

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 22, 2020, 08:06:55 pm
The only potential downside to Harris might be if they find something really bad about her time as California AG or how she climbed up the California Democratic Party...using that San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown?

Maybe that..otherwise what is not to like?

She’s not liberal enough? To me that’s a plus.. My message to the progressives is “You get nothing!”
I mean, dude there’s all sorts of stuff to go off about re: her time as AG. She wanted to deny people parole because of the impact their loss of free labor would have on the CA prison system’s finances. I’m in the middle of something but I’ll circle back with some articles on this tomorrow.

But just reasonably: look at ... *gestures out the window at the protests happening in all of our backyards* ... what about this tells you it’s the time to hang your hat on an old-school cop?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 22, 2020, 08:13:32 pm
Oh the protests....


Well you are getting a black VP one step away from President


You want to focus on her being a cop that’s on you

I don’t view her as a cop and I think she was attorney general at a time when that is what was expected from the job..I am sure any AG is going to have some issues..


That argument overall though - she was a cop-is silly not to mention things can change quickly

I listed her attributes..


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 22, 2020, 08:21:33 pm
so when the news started filtering out on saturday that trump's tulsa rally was a bust, at first i was basking in the schadenfreude, but that quickly wore off... this president has drained me.  i just don't have any more energy to hate him with.

then this appeared today:

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/105364802_2629869930584591_8843845433195469730_n.png?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQmPbsp36llnZyCGplS95nmZccQfVQEDi0d23IbBFX5Ete4FdoLQYD-uwo1AcBdbQWk&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=975599b9abee20fab03b3d1c0ccb3891&oe=5F15F605)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 22, 2020, 08:24:42 pm
There is a way better picture


I don’t get it..how is he supposed to look? He is in his 70s after a long late night flight!


People desperately reading too much into it..that he is washed up and knows it..

He is going to fight back...hard..could get scary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 22, 2020, 08:39:27 pm
HUSTORY
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 22, 2020, 09:55:31 pm
Kidding aside, the problem with Warren is the gymnastics that the D's have to do to hold onto her seat.  Cannot risk letting Mitch keep the Senate, even for 160 days.
I agree...the MA gov is a Republican and will certainly appoint a MAGA diehard and that will be bad
I believe the Dems are trying to quickly pass a “senate replacements must be someone of the same party” bill. But yeah, that’s in play.
never gonna happen
If I am not mistaken, MA Dems have veto-proof majorities in both houses of their legislature.

EDIT: I have confirmed.

I just think this kind of thing is a bad look as the Dems try to fight about Republican abuse of power in places like North Carolina.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 22, 2020, 09:57:11 pm
Come on man it’s different to win the nomination on the backs of blacks (I am done saying African American but someone clue me in if I shouldn’t be..it is getting a bit ridiculous) than it is to get every black person out there - people that don’t usually vote in primaries-you can to vote in the general..to wait in line five hours! I happen to believe black women are going to get out more to vote if a black woman is on the ticket. This idea that they are going to en masse  come out to vote for Warren in the cities of Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit, etc.    well. I just don’t see her maximizing the vote

Moreover doubling down on old and white just isn’t going to happen.

It just comes down to how you view 2016...why did Obama coalition break down? Which part needs the most shoring up..some people think we have to go for the imaginary Trumpers that could be swayed (they point to Klobuchar), others think it’s the progressive wing, etc

As far as Kamala Harris I listed her attributes a few weeks ago..we already did this...she is super vetted, experienced and ready to take over on day 2,  relatively young, good looking, sharpest tool in shed, can be effective attack dog, will whip Pence, etc

For what it's wroth, I've been told Black, capital B.  https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/20/associated-press-style-guide-capitalize-black
I used African American previously because I was talking about voters, but probably shouldn't have.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 23, 2020, 02:25:32 am
There is a way better picture

I don’t get it..how is he supposed to look? He is in his 70s after a long late night flight!

that meme is about the caption, not about the picture.

People desperately reading too much into it..that he is washed up and knows it..

He is going to fight back...hard..could get scary

agreed.  am scared.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 23, 2020, 09:10:28 am
There is a way better picture

I don’t get it..how is he supposed to look? He is in his 70s after a long late night flight!

that meme is about the caption, not about the picture.

People desperately reading too much into it..that he is washed up and knows it..

He is going to fight back...hard..could get scary

agreed.  am scared.

Is it just me (who admittedly doesn't like Biden much) or where Biden flubs his line and says "I'm coming to you for ask a quick favor."  And maybe it's worse because my default has CC on it so it really highlights. I admit to not being a Biden fan, but what I don't get is why not just re shoot?   Did they leave that flub in there on purpose, do they think it humanizes him or something?  I don't get it. Googling it to find the ad, and I guess I'm not the only one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pLe_muSxbw
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 23, 2020, 09:29:56 am
There is a way better picture

I don’t get it..how is he supposed to look? He is in his 70s after a long late night flight!

that meme is about the caption, not about the picture.

People desperately reading too much into it..that he is washed up and knows it..

He is going to fight back...hard..could get scary

agreed.  am scared.

Is it just me (who admittedly doesn't like Biden much) or where Biden flubs his line and says "I'm coming to you for ask a quick favor."  And maybe it's worse because my default has CC on it so it really highlights. I admit to not being a Biden fan, but what I don't get is why not just re shoot?   Did they leave that flub in there on purpose, do they think it humanizes him or something?  I don't get it. Googling it to find the ad, and I guess I'm not the only one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pLe_muSxbw

I think many Americans speak imperfectly like that.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 23, 2020, 09:48:48 am
There is a way better picture

I don’t get it..how is he supposed to look? He is in his 70s after a long late night flight!

that meme is about the caption, not about the picture.

People desperately reading too much into it..that he is washed up and knows it..

He is going to fight back...hard..could get scary

agreed.  am scared.

Is it just me (who admittedly doesn't like Biden much) or where Biden flubs his line and says "I'm coming to you for ask a quick favor."  And maybe it's worse because my default has CC on it so it really highlights. I admit to not being a Biden fan, but what I don't get is why not just re shoot?   Did they leave that flub in there on purpose, do they think it humanizes him or something?  I don't get it. Googling it to find the ad, and I guess I'm not the only one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pLe_muSxbw

I think many Americans speak imperfectly like that.

100 percent agree. I can even see them leaving it in on purpose because they think it makes him seem more like "average Joe."  That's why I was curious if it bothered others.

I think it being the first line, and that they could have re-cut it bothers me.   Also, I only watch the first 5 second before hitting skip every time so it's the only thing I see.

And to me it reinforces the narrative that Biden is past his sell by date, but again... fully recognize that I come into this not liking him. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 23, 2020, 12:37:04 pm
And to me it reinforces the narrative that Biden is past his sell by date, but again... fully recognize that I come into this not liking him. 

and this makes biden worse than trump?  four more years?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 23, 2020, 02:56:15 pm
And to me it reinforces the narrative that Biden is past his sell by date, but again... fully recognize that I come into this not liking him. 

and this makes biden worse than trump?  four more years?

You gotta do what you gotta do right?

Kidding aside, when I hear it on youtube I find it a bit jarring every time and it's like every 3rd ad that I get right now. I guess I'm sort of alone on this one... so it's probably because I've never liked Biden much.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 23, 2020, 05:08:25 pm
https://www.collegereaction.com/post/students-back-elizabeth-warren-for-biden-vp-pick

Axios polling of college students reveal a strong preference for Warren, even within the subset of POC.

It is truly stunning how she leads IN EVERY POLL and just outraised Obama (!!) in a fundraiser for Biden, yet it feels she has absolutely zero shot at the VP slot.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 23, 2020, 06:46:09 pm
yet it feels she has absolutely zero shot at the VP slot.

quit being such a drama queen.  she is most definitely in contention, just isn't in first place according to some/many folks.  not being first <> not being in the race.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 23, 2020, 07:28:12 pm
yet it feels she has absolutely zero shot at the VP slot.

quit being such a drama queen.  she is most definitely in contention, just isn't in first place according to some/many folks.  not being first <> not being in the race.
I mean, do you know anyone who seriously thinks she’ll get it?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 23, 2020, 11:09:37 pm
yet it feels she has absolutely zero shot at the VP slot.

quit being such a drama queen.  she is most definitely in contention, just isn't in first place according to some/many folks.  not being first <> not being in the race.
I mean, do you know anyone who seriously thinks she’ll get it?

To be fair, she absolutely causes some big Democratic donors to run for the Hills with her tax the rich and regulate the banks rhetoric.  Polls don't take any of that into consideration.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 24, 2020, 07:07:32 am
the level of stupid, etc, etc, etc  on display last night in AZ was stunning

but a couple of bright spots out of NY yesterday in the Democratic primaries
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 06:02:01 pm
Kind of amazing

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/24/bidens-big-lead-in-the-polls-could-be-partly-behind-markets-drop-and-may-lead-to-more-weakness.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 09:24:09 pm
Interesting

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-adds-congressional-black-caucus-e2-80-99s-karen-bass-to-vp-list/ar-BB15V8tQ


A trial 🎈?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 25, 2020, 12:48:27 am
Kind of amazing

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/24/bidens-big-lead-in-the-polls-could-be-partly-behind-markets-drop-and-may-lead-to-more-weakness.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/24/bidens-big-lead-in-the-polls-could-be-partly-behind-markets-drop-and-may-lead-to-more-weakness.html)

"Biden’s big lead in the polls could be partly behind market’s drop"... or it might not.  gawd this stuff drives me insaner.

first off, the stock market is no the economy, in fact it's clearly decoupled.

second, unless it's a clear, undeniable signal - like a war, natural disaster, etc. - tying a piece of news to the stock market's one-day performance is either guesswork or spin.  a case in point: i read several articles today on the same topic with very different conclusions.  many attributed today's movement in the stock market to the resurgence of the coronovirus, while another discussed how concern over November's results are not affecting the stock markets at all.

Here’s why stock-market distress over spiking coronavirus cases is intensifying (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-investors-are-suddenly-spooked-by-rapidly-rising-coronavirus-cases-in-the-us-heres-why-2020-06-24)
Coronavirus Surge Raises Alarm as States Report New Highs (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/business/stocks-markets-coronavirus.html) (scroll down about 2/3)
The stock market no longer cares whether Trump wins (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/investing/stock-market-trump-biden/index.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 25, 2020, 07:27:58 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/showing-strength-with-white-voters-biden-builds-lead-in-battleground-states/ar-BB15WSW0


FWIW Nate Silver gives the polling outfit above- Siena- an A+ rating with 0.3% Republican lean
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 26, 2020, 07:38:04 am
i was going to post the latest word salad from he should be removed from the white house, but it just makes my head hurt even more thinking about it... oh hell here it is... but her emails...


Daniel Dale
@ddale8

Here's the transcript of Trump's response when he was asked what are his top priorities for a second term.
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1276341601632206848?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbZ53wQWkAExka2?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 26, 2020, 09:22:52 am
Good news for the Warrenites


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/joe-biden-running-mate/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 29, 2020, 08:33:39 am
should we just ignore this stuff and act like it's the opposite
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbqcOiuVcAEzTe8?format=jpg&name=large)
I really hope that voter turnout is insane in Nov...all about the suppression of vote that we need to keep an eye on
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 29, 2020, 09:50:00 am
Better than polls read this


http://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/states-of-play-pennsylvania/



When I say Trump is going down I never mean we can stop fighting or even worrying
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 29, 2020, 12:32:25 pm
should we just ignore this stuff and act like it's the opposite

remind me, how did that work out 4 years ago?  oh wait...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 29, 2020, 01:43:43 pm
should we just ignore this stuff and act like it's the opposite

remind me, how did that work out 4 years ago?  oh wait...
I do think it was different 4 years ago
we were still in Obama bliss (even though mitch tried his hardest to rain on that parade for 6 years)
economy and unemployment were rocking

Songs like "work from home" (ha, kinda funny now) were playing all the time
Drake and the Chainsmokers ruled the airwaves

We had no idea what was in store with Trump (well, Hillary knew!)
Lots of the undecided voters were like "Let's take a chance on Trump...how bad could it be"

I just don't think there will be 'take a chance' voters anymore.  You either think he walks on water or is the most vile person alive.
I don't think there is a big undecided block this election (will wait to hear more about this)



I'm also thinking more and more there was some major hanky panky in the election results
Possibly why his 'election review committee' was disbanded (not because they didn't find stuff...but that they started to get close to finding stuff)
But that sucks and is exactly what the GOP and Putin want...for us not to trust our elections!

Sucks, because the Dem should just be able to win by squeaking out 270 EC votes
but if it's close there will be questions

so it's got to be a massive upset (hopefully that will change the outlook of congress by proxy too)
Fear is Biden could actually get 6 million more votes and lose the EC
God that would be a disaster and even worse the GOP would be like "seems totally fair to me"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 29, 2020, 02:11:11 pm
And whether you like him or not Roberts (and RBG hanging on) are probably the only thing standing between us and a full fledged totalitarian fascist state.


So spare me the whining about how you don’t like this Roberts vote or that..we all wish he was more liberal but he was appointed by a Republican president..have you seen the other conservative justices????
not sure I would have predicted Chief Justice John Roberts as the lynchpin to keeping the US together
I'm sure there are some pissed off Federalist Society donors right now

Trump may try to increase the court just so he can make sure it's stacked against Roberts conscience



Not sure how to read this...but seems good as the CFPB is kept in place
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is unconstitutional because the agency is led by one director who can only be removed “for cause,” but leaves rest of statute creating the CFPB in place


Also, I find it lame that they didn't rule on this
#SCOTUS declines to step into dispute over whether Texas must allow mail-in voting for all, w/out an excuse, during COVID-19 pandemic. No dissent recorded, although Sotomayor urges court of appeals to consider issue “well in advance of the November election”

couldn't think of a more time-sensitive decision
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 29, 2020, 05:32:33 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbtXZ7SXgAEJv_i?format=jpg&name=small)
Pamela Northam @FirstLadyVA
.@GovernorVA and I illuminated the Executive Mansion this weekend in honor of #PrideMonth
 and the fight for LGBTQ+ rights that began 51 years ago at #Stonewall, and continues today. Virginia is for all Lovers - no matter who you are, who you love, or how you identify.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 29, 2020, 07:34:11 pm
file under "dem pipe dream"... been seeing a lot of chatter about this:

Trump in ‘fragile’ mood and may drop out of 2020 race if poll numbers don’t improve, GOP insiders tell Fox News (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-2020-us-election-drop-out-fox-news-republican-a9592036.html)

if he did do it, he'd obviously spin it as "don't need to run, since i've already accomplished so much. also, media/elections/vote by mail/etc. so unfair they won't give me chance in this rigged election."  pence would pick up the republican mantle and be the november fall guy.

personally, i don't see his ego allowing him to quit. 

another theory is that if he loses, he'll quit before biden's inauguration, and president pence would then give him a blanket pardon for all federal crimes.  NY will still want to have a word with him...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 29, 2020, 07:56:17 pm
These stories insult one’s intelligence

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 29, 2020, 08:24:22 pm
file under "dem pipe dream"... been seeing a lot of chatter about this:

Trump in ‘fragile’ mood and may drop out of 2020 race if poll numbers don’t improve, GOP insiders tell Fox News (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-2020-us-election-drop-out-fox-news-republican-a9592036.html)

if he did do it, he'd obviously spin it as "don't need to run, since i've already accomplished so much. also, media/elections/vote by mail/etc. so unfair they won't give me chance in this rigged election."  pence would pick up the republican mantle and be the november fall guy.

personally, i don't see his ego allowing him to quit. 

another theory is that if he loses, he'll quit before biden's inauguration, and president pence would then give him a blanket pardon for all federal crimes.  NY will still want to have a word with him...
This is not happening but if we are going to play hypothetical world, if Trump is dropping out, the repudiation of all things Trump would stain Pence. You’d probably get some sort of weird Romney/Rubio unity ticket that ran to the center.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 30, 2020, 02:55:23 am
if we are going to play hypothetical world, if Trump is dropping out, the repudiation of all things Trump would stain Pence. You’d probably get some sort of weird Romney/Rubio unity ticket that ran to the center.

ah, interesting observation - you're assuming most GOP'ers have enough shame and humility to admit they were wrong to kowtow to trump for the past 4 years.  right-wingers aren't know for admitting their wrongs and changing their minds.  also, given the short timeline, they'd have to be confident that trump supporters wouldn't line up behind pence - a block they would need to motivate if they even pretended to try to win.  i'm certainly hoping that the minute trump is out of the picture we'll return to some semblance of sanity, but who knows...

in case you have questions about what happens if a candidate dies or withdraws, this is the best answer i could find (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/16/what-else-happens-if-us-presidential-candidate-withdraws-or-dies-before-election-is-over-part-2/).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 30, 2020, 08:45:37 am
if we are going to play hypothetical world, if Trump is dropping out, the repudiation of all things Trump would stain Pence. You’d probably get some sort of weird Romney/Rubio unity ticket that ran to the center.

ah, interesting observation - you're assuming most GOP'ers have enough shame and humility to admit they were wrong to kowtow to trump for the past 4 years.  right-wingers aren't know for admitting their wrongs and changing their minds.  also, given the short timeline, they'd have to be confident that trump supporters wouldn't line up behind pence - a block they would need to motivate if they even pretended to try to win.  i'm certainly hoping that the minute trump is out of the picture we'll return to some semblance of sanity, but who knows...

in case you have questions about what happens if a candidate dies or withdraws, this is the best answer i could find (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/16/what-else-happens-if-us-presidential-candidate-withdraws-or-dies-before-election-is-over-part-2/).
You’re taking what I said as “admit they were wrong” where I see it as “pivot on a dime to win”, which Republicans are much better at than Dems.

GOPers aren’t moving on low taxes and abortion and guns and none of those ideas are unique to Trump. They will case aside the cult of his personality, the Mexican thing, and aversion to masks they second it costs them an election as they always do.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2020, 09:48:50 am
You’re taking what I said as “admit they were wrong” where I see it as “pivot on a dime to win”, which Republicans are much better at than Dems.

GOPers aren’t moving on low taxes and abortion and guns and none of those ideas are unique to Trump. They will case aside the cult of his personality, the Mexican thing, and aversion to masks they second it costs them an election as they always do.
So you are correct in this... I do think the landscape has changed

The GOP brass is good as doing what you said
but the base...they are like Frankenstein after freebasing bath salts...something the GOP does not have control over
They are just riding this bucking bronco to win (and that's really all that matters to them....maintain power)
The Base is 100% like, "I'm not a republican and the GOP can suck eggs I'm team trump to 2044 baby!"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 30, 2020, 10:14:35 am
we see in Tom Cotton and other Republicans (DeSantis blaming covid spread on migrant workers) how the party is adopting - has adopted-fascism... mainstreaming it

The problem may seem to be Trump but he is the symptom


Always amazes me how people don’t get this...electing Biden is necessary to preserve our nation and a first step but will not in it of itself solve our problems...FOX isn’t going anywhere...racism isn’t going anywhere...

In fact the conversation we need to have - while running hard/ is what we will do January 2021

We need serious changes.. Republicans aren’t going to roll over..we cannot have a repeat of the Obama presidency which while fantastic on form has to , in retrospect, be viewed as ineffectual and having at the very least not done enough to stop the rise of fascism



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2020, 10:30:08 am
Republicans aren’t going to roll over..we cannot have a repeat of the Obama presidency which while fantastic on form has to , in retrospect, be viewed as ineffectual and having at the very least not done enough to stop the rise of fascism
Mitch and the GOP were VERY impactful on their tactics to give zero wins to Obama for the last 6 years
McCain saved Obamacare helped give him one of his only wins...Mitch was not happy

This is fun
After months of telling people not to wear masks
Fox News host Steve Doocy all but begs RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel to get Trump to wear a mask. Republicans have been talking up wearing masks after months of Trump mocking them.
"Masks Are Great Again" Doocy says, suggesting a MAGA slogan.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 30, 2020, 10:34:29 am
Of course...and Mitch will still be there either as majority leader or minority leader

We need to start thinking about what we are actually going to do..the first two years are the time to get things done...

For example we cannot continue to have FOX News operate the way it does...it is literally killing people..this is not an exaggeration


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2020, 10:37:15 am
Quote
Just learned that McGrath doesn't even have a lock on the dem nomination for that seat
as Booker just got an endorsement from Sanders, AOC and others
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a32815217/kentucky-senate-democrats-amy-mcgrath-charles-booker/
Correct - McGrath is far from a lock.

Dang McGrath seems to be falling apart  (even with a 30-40 million campaign chest)


Looks like it's going to be McGrath v Mitch as the results are being finalized
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 30, 2020, 10:40:08 am
Voting...we are likely to see a complete breakdown on November 3 with the biggest shit show we have ever seen...some are saying it might take days to know results in some states



Something must be done January 2021if Biden wins

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2020, 10:40:54 am
Of course...and Mitch will still be there either as majority leader or minority leader
I can't believe there is no dirt clinging to the crypt-keepers fingernails
I have got to imagine there is an ethics scandal that if he loses power in the senate we can take him out i.e. Tom DeLay

I know, I share what I'm smoking
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2020, 10:43:14 am
Voting...we are likely to see a complete breakdown on November 3
this is my fear and the States are really not taking the responsibility here
There really could not be a more important issue.
It's not a fed thing and we really don't need the Fed to act here
Every state runs its elections.  So can we at least get the blue states (and swing states) on board at a minimum this summer
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2020, 12:01:05 pm
Quote
Just learned that McGrath doesn't even have a lock on the dem nomination for that seat
as Booker just got an endorsement from Sanders, AOC and others
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a32815217/kentucky-senate-democrats-amy-mcgrath-charles-booker/
Correct - McGrath is far from a lock.

Dang McGrath seems to be falling apart  (even with a 30-40 million campaign chest)


Looks like it's going to be McGrath v Mitch as the results are being finalized

sounds like they are calling it
Amy McGrath wins the #KYSen primary, after an unexpectedly close call against progressive challenger Charles Booker


Shame for Booker to get that close and lose.  Although I'm sure he'll have a good shot at Mayor of Louisville now'

The voters in KY seem to not care...this is telling
She’s raised over $40 million since entering the race... 96 percent of her donations are from out-of-state donors
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 30, 2020, 12:25:10 pm
I wish Booker had won because McGrath makes it more likely out of state money will continue to funnel into KYSEN and every cent Dems spend on that is money they have literally set on fire instead of going after winnable causes like ejecting Susan Collins into the sun.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2020, 12:34:09 pm
instead of going after winnable causes like ejecting Susan Collins into the sun.
This is quite possibly cheaper than winning a senate race currently.
Do we think we can peer pressure Elon to do this?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on June 30, 2020, 02:07:01 pm
Does money to defeat Mitch really transfer to Susan Collins?


Maybe some but not that much...not grassroots $...big donor $ or DSC $ yes..


Also I think McGrath will be a stiffer challenge to Mitch which means he might have to spend $ in his own race instead of on Collins....

at the end of the day if we can’t defeat Collins without tons of $ we ain’t winning anything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 01, 2020, 01:19:47 pm
is it me or is the GOP senate totally acknowledging that they are going to get their asses kicked in NOV?

I really don't think boo-hoo'ing about the filibuster is going to get McSally, Gardner, Collins, Tillis (maybe Ernst and perdue) a bump to win re-election

So I find it odd they are doing it at all...kinda a bad look
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 01, 2020, 01:25:44 pm
I don’t see it like that...they are laying the groundwork for the huge political cost democrats will pay if they win control and eliminate filibuster


Democrats will be accused of being dictatorship

Also these specific senators are saying to their constituents “Don’t abandon me or you will get a liberal dictatorship”


It’s a way of helping their chances..more than whining

The filibuster has a real long history..it’s a big deal if it’s eliminated
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 01, 2020, 01:29:34 pm
The filibuster has a real long history..it’s a big deal if it’s eliminated
I do agree ...but in the last few decades the use has stopped congress from working at all
I'm for getting rid of it now because of the massive obstruction it has caused

Also, I really don't see it becoming a huge political cost democrats will pay at all
It's all about messaging tho...and the Dems suck at it
Thank god for Project Lincoln
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 01, 2020, 01:37:22 pm
Well you are kind of being Captain Obvious and hopping from point to point



You and I may want democrats to eliminate filibuster if they win control of Senate but Americans in the middle not so much and the right wingers will go rabid

We have no choice..we must do it but reality is our odds of winning WH are far greater than winning control of Senate

Also, you trust every democratic Senator to vote to eliminate filibuster? Even Manchin??

You are getting way ahead of yourself for someone that claims not to want to buy into polls


All I am saying is Biden will win..am not yet predicting democrats win Senate..much less 52+ seats
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 01, 2020, 01:50:46 pm

You are getting way ahead of yourself for someone that claims not to want to buy into polls
who said that...I love polls
some of best friends are Polls
I always wanted to be a Poll-Vaulter
I love Bees because they pollinate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 01, 2020, 04:07:18 pm
I don’t see it like that...they are laying the groundwork for the huge political cost democrats will pay if they win control and eliminate filibuster
The filibuster has a real long history..it’s a big deal if it’s eliminated

There is NO chance the Dems will eliminate the filibuster.  There aren't 25 votes to get rid of it in the caucus.  Way too scared of what happens when Mitch and company regains the Senate to do it. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 01, 2020, 04:10:45 pm
Really!


I think they should or welcome to Obama 2009

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 01, 2020, 04:13:27 pm
Really!


I think they should or welcome to Obama 2009

I think they should get rid of it too, but the votes aren't there, not even close. Bernie doesn't support eliminating it.  I'd be surprised if there are 10 votes for it in the Dem Caucus (I was being conservative with 25). 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 01, 2020, 04:23:57 pm
Well Biden has to talk to them and be like “Guys it’s us against fascists and if we don’t do this they won’t let us do anything and in four years we will have either Trump back or Trump Jr”


I saw this very thing play out in Argentina..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 02, 2020, 12:02:03 am
124!!!


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 04, 2020, 06:26:21 pm
This doesn’t seem at first glance to support some of what our esteemed boardies have been saying here as gospel

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-white-people-most-excited-about-kamala-harris-for-vp-and-most-likely-to-find-elizabeth-warren-unacceptable/ar-BB16fPZG?li=BBnbfcL
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 04, 2020, 10:11:31 pm
Like 2020 already wasn’t totally whacked out
Ye@kanyewest

We must now realize the promise of America by trusting God, unifying our vision and building our future. I am running for president of the United States 🇺🇸! #2020VISION


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 04, 2020, 10:53:43 pm
Yeezus
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 12:58:49 pm
I'd be happier if TayTay announced...but we got a new contender  (I mean, let's not forget it's too late to be on most state ballots)
Paris Hilton @ParisHilton
PARIS FOR PRESIDENT

Would it be possible to win the presidency as a write-in?  asking for a friend
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 05, 2020, 01:20:30 pm
From what I read it’s not at all too late to be on most ballots and he has time to get on ballot in pretty much every state

Just to take it seriously for a second, Kanye would only cost Biden votes..

And we know Kanye was singing Trump’s praises....

If Kanye decided to spend $ and the race between Trump and Biden tightened Kanye could become a problem particularly if he ran on a message targeted to black people (or whatever term they are comfortable with this week) of “Democrats take your vote for granted and don’t do anything for you!”

I am hoping it’s a joke candidacy but not sure I feel comfortable assuming so yet
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 01:40:55 pm
I am hoping it’s a joke candidacy but not sure I feel comfortable assuming so yet
I can't believe this is serious
Yes, he would certainly pull Biden votes, but this actually happening is highly unlikely

My understanding is his MAGA love has faded, he just wanted to make sure Kim got her voice heard by trump on releasing the prisoner she was advocating for.  I'm sure his involvement and public displays were a huge impact on Trump acting on Kim's wishes

But don't make any bets on what is going on in Kanye's mind...that's a fool's gambit


I will say this did make me giggle this morning
Eric Swalwell @ericswalwell
I’m running for President. Wait. I tried that and it didn’t end well. Take two: I’m voting for @JoeBiden
 to end this national nightmare. You with me?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 02:18:48 pm
Seems like punk'ing the MAGA's is becoming sport

Militias flocked to Gettysburg to foil a supposed antifa flag burning, an apparent hoax created on social media (https://www.businessinsider.com/gettysburg-antifa-flag-burning-hoax-dupes-right-wing-protesters-2020-7)


these self-proclaimed oath keepers are starting to scare me...as Jello says American Taliban
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 05, 2020, 02:52:53 pm
Would it be possible to win the presidency as a write-in?  asking for a friend
This is actually an interesting query because depending on different states deadlines, would a write-in candidate even be able to have named electors?

Like if a week before the election I burst on the scene, and if I got on TV and made an impassioned speech and in this bizarro world 90% of America en masse wrote in Julian for President, I don’t think I would actually be made President because I do not have electors named in each state for my write-in candidacy. It is my understanding — and actual lawyers of the board, railroad or otherwise, feel free to correct me — that in this thought experiment, we are probably looking at the House delegations electing a President because despite me winning all the states, the states couldn’t send anyone to the electoral college.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 03:36:12 pm
Would it be possible to win the presidency as a write-in?  asking for a friend
90% of America en masse wrote in Julian for President
The worst part would be if you got the votes and they were like....umm this is a fake name and this vote is void
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 05, 2020, 03:52:11 pm
Would it be possible to win the presidency as a write-in?  asking for a friend
90% of America en masse wrote in Julian for President
The worst part would be if you got the votes and they were like....umm this is a fake name and this vote is void
I have it registered as a d/b/a and only file with SSA as a known alias. It’s cool.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 03:55:49 pm
Would it be possible to win the presidency as a write-in?  asking for a friend
90% of America en masse wrote in Julian for President
The worst part would be if you got the votes and they were like....umm this is a fake name and this vote is void
I have it registered as a d/b/a and only file with SSA as a known alias. It’s cool.

would it be listed as something like Bob "Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER" Simpson on the ballot (note I did just Doxx Jules)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on July 05, 2020, 03:59:36 pm
would it be listed as something like Bob "Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER" Simpson on the ballot (note I did just Doxx Jules)

8-0
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 04:10:12 pm
8-0
(https://media.giphy.com/media/13JsW2IDNNsyf6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 05, 2020, 06:56:26 pm
Would it be possible to win the presidency as a write-in?  asking for a friend
90% of America en masse wrote in Julian for President
The worst part would be if you got the votes and they were like....umm this is a fake name and this vote is void
I have it registered as a d/b/a and only file with SSA as a known alias. It’s cool.

would it be listed as something like Bob "Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER" Simpson on the ballot (note I did just Doxx Jules)
Its like how if you write in Don Trump or Joe Biden instead of Donald Trump or Joseph Biden, it counts. Clear intent of the voter.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 06, 2020, 04:13:42 am
120
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 06, 2020, 10:35:57 am
Is this good news?
The Supreme Court unanimously ruled Monday that states can penalize faithless electors, the members of the Electoral College who do not support the winner of their state's popular vote in a presidential election.

unanimous decision too
I felt like that was rare...but apparently not
According to the Supreme Court Database, since 2000 a unanimous decision has been more likely than any other result — averaging 36 percent of all decisions. Even when the court did not reach a unanimous judgment, the justices often secured overwhelming majorities, with 7-to-2 or 8-to-1 judgments making up about 15 percent of decisions. The 5-to-4 decisions, by comparison, occurred in 19 percent of cases.



In related SCOTUS news...Barr at least has done something that all americans can get behind
Barr v. American Assn of Political Consultants, #SCOTUS rules federal ban on robocalls to cellphones is unconstitutional
The ban is not unconstitutional per se.  It’s actually the exception that makes it unconstitutional, so the court strikes the exception as severable.  This is a win for consumers.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 06, 2020, 10:44:13 am
No more opinions today....so we wait until tomorrow to hear about Trump's tax returns.
just means 24 hours of batshit crazy tweets from donnie




Who knew that kagen would be the one dropping pop culture references in SCOTUS decisions!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcQFaIpXsAAErF3?format=png&name=small)

Be interesting in 200 years when the archivists are trying to decipher what she is talking about
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 06, 2020, 09:53:43 pm
I got to admit I could see Biden picking Susan Rice...


Tammy Duckworth also


I guess while I see Harris as the favorite, given the political context, Biden is freer to pick whoever he wants..I just don’t know how well he gets along with the VP candidates . he doesn’t really have much to worry about...


I suppose Susan Rice will get some wacko right wingers frothing about Benghazi but so what?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 07, 2020, 09:25:36 am
I got to admit I could see Biden picking Susan Rice...


Tammy Duckworth also


I guess while I see Harris as the favorite, given the political context, Biden is freer to pick whoever he wants..I just don’t know how well he gets along with the VP candidates . he doesn’t really have much to worry about...


I suppose Susan Rice will get some wacko right wingers frothing about Benghazi but so what?

I don't see Susan Rice as a safe pick.  Too much baggage and I don't see her having more upside than safer choices.  Even though I don't like her politics, I like Duckworth as a pick (she would have been my "central casting" pick for the President).  She eviscerated Kirk. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 10:11:22 am
I love you man but you completely missed my point or steamrolled over it


none of this type of analysis takes into account who Biden thinks will make his best Vice President..who he feels he can work with to govern America and who he would feel most comfortable succeeding him


If I was Biden I would be thinking I am going to win this thing and going to inherit a shitshow..who do I want to work with etc...

The Rice advantage is obviously foreign policy and the US is going to have its work cut out on that front after what has happened the past four years... I mean we are going to have to eat serious crow and do a mea culpa...recommit to multilateralism...offer up a challenge to Russia and China... the amount of stuff we will have to do to make things right with Germany etc is endless..Joe is 77! He ideally could delegate all this to Rice and focus on the homefront (working Congress m)


I wouldn’t be thinking who will give me more votes!!!


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 07, 2020, 10:57:53 am
I love you man but you completely missed my point or steamrolled over it


none of this type of analysis takes into account who Biden thinks will make his best Vice President..who he feels he can work with to govern America and who he would feel most comfortable succeeding him


If I was Biden I would be thinking I am going to win this thing and going to inherit a shitshow..who do I want to work with etc...

The Rice advantage is obviously foreign policy and the US is going to have its work cut out on that front after what has happened the past four years... I mean we are going to have to eat serious crow and do a mea culpa...recommit to multilateralism...offer up a challenge to Russia and China... the amount of stuff we will have to do to make things right with Germany etc is endless..Joe is 77! He ideally could delegate all this to Rice and focus on the homefront (working Congress m)


I wouldn’t be thinking who will give me more votes!!!

The VP is almost exclusively a political position (especially with Biden's age). It's an undefined role with no clear responsibilities and only the power that the President wants to delegate.  Clinton gave Gore final authority on the environment and a couple of other issues.  Obama and Biden worked more as partners.  Quayle was just a pretty face. There is no one model and it could be a purely ceremonial role for Biden with no power if he wants.  That doesn't mean he cannot delegate, he has an entire cabinet for that. Biden can name Susan Rice as Secretary of State if he wants, and keep the VP totally out of foreign policy and he doesn't have to deal with 4 months of Benghazi crazy (though admittedly she might not be confirmable if the D's don't also take the Senate). 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 07, 2020, 11:22:40 am
No more opinions today....so we wait until tomorrow to hear about Trump's tax returns.
just means 24 hours of batshit crazy tweets from donnie
Umm, not sure what happened with the 5 remaining rulings?

Lawrence Hurley@lawrencehurley
No Supreme Court rulings expected today. Awaiting word on when the next ruling day will be. Five cases left
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 11:23:34 am
So you think Biden at 77, and given his experience as VP, is going to want a purely ceremonial VP?




Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 07, 2020, 11:57:14 am
So you think Biden at 77, and given his experience as VP, is going to want a purely ceremonial VP?

The most likely scenario is that Biden runs things similar to how Obama did.

Even if we assume that Susan Rice is the strongest candidate on foreign policy, she is still going to be a lightening rod for attacks and she's unproven as a politician.  Even if we grant that Biden will still win no matter the VP (which I don't think is a given), it is about the sustainability and his ability to get things done. 

Biden is also picking an heir apparent, and it needs to be someone that American's can imagine taking over from him. He has to be thinking about political viability for the mid to long long term.  I just don't see how political considerations aren't center stage no matter the polling. 

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 07, 2020, 12:28:45 pm
Biden is also picking an heir apparent, and it needs to be someone that American's can imagine taking over from him.
co-signed
Ever other VP in my life I never really even for a second thought about them leading the country
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 07, 2020, 01:20:19 pm
The press have gotten copies of Mary Trump's book so the tidbits are coming out..

Class act this

Kevin Liptak
@Kevinliptakcnn
Mary Trump says Ivana and Donald gave her a three-pack of underwear for Christmas one year, and an obviously re-gifted basket of crackers, sardines and salami another year (with an imprint of a missing can of caviar in the cellophane wrapping)

https://twitter.com/Kevinliptakcnn/status/1280542875718164485?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 07, 2020, 01:27:05 pm
Mary Trump's book

(with an imprint of a missing can of caviar in the cellophane wrapping)
that last bit is the icing

Also hearing that he paid someone to take his SAT's
There are now requests for that individual to come forward...but likely 'he's been taken care of'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 01:43:00 pm
But Biden was not at all a ceremonial VP!! He was very active

We probably agree and are just applying different meanings to words

I could see Biden picking Susan Rice but still think it will be Kamala

At this point if I were Biden I would wait as long as possible to decide...let the pick come to you
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 07, 2020, 02:54:37 pm
But Biden was not at all a ceremonial VP!! He was very active

We probably agree and are just applying different meanings to words

I could see Biden picking Susan Rice but still think it will be Kamala

At this point if I were Biden I would wait as long as possible to decide...let the pick come to you

All I am saying is that I think the pick has to meet the political test.  I'm not saying that is adequate, or that he cannot pick someone he likes, but that he still has to pay attention to the politics.  To me the politics for Susan Rice are too bad for him to seriously consider her.  I think Klobuchar was in a similar situation and she dropped out when she realized it.  I think Stacey Abrams has bad politics and doesn't serve a function. I think we agree that Warren doesn't really share Biden's world view and so she isn't getting serious consideration.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on July 07, 2020, 03:57:24 pm
All 3 know there way around DC.

Which of them have been at shows at 930?

Duckworth - GW Masters Degree
Harris - Howard BA
Rice - National Cathedral School Valedictorian

My money would be on Harris, but Duckworth as a decorated, wounded vet  "from" Illinois instead of a coastal state checks a lot of boxes....

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 07, 2020, 04:18:50 pm
All 3 know there way around DC.

Which of them have been at shows at 930?

Duckworth - GW Masters Degree
Harris - Howard BA
Rice - National Cathedral School Valedictorian

My money would be on Harris, but Duckworth as a decorated, wounded vet  "from" Illinois instead of a coastal state checks a lot of boxes....

Duckworth would be my pick, but I agree that Harris is the most likely of those three to get it. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 07, 2020, 04:25:18 pm
Which of them have been at shows at 930?
I did bump into Dennis Kucinich at a willie show @ 930

be interesting to get some deets on who attened 930 shows...that would help me make my decision
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 07, 2020, 04:49:08 pm
Which of them have been at shows at 930?
I did bump into Dennis Kucinich at a willie show @ 930

be interesting to get some deets on who attened 930 shows...that would help me make my decision

Elizabeth Kucinich worked for the Center for Food Safety and I heard from someone working there that one of the staff was married to someone at the Club and so staff could get the occasional free ticket. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 07, 2020, 05:13:00 pm
Which of them have been at shows at 930?
I did bump into Dennis Kucinich at a willie show @ 930

be interesting to get some deets on who attened 930 shows...that would help me make my decision

Elizabeth Kucinich worked for the Center for Food Safety and I heard from someone working there that one of the staff was married to someone at the Club and so staff could get the occasional free ticket.
Willie and Kucinich  have been tight for a while and I'm sure willie put Dennis +1 on the guest list
Dec 31, 2003 - Country music legend Willie Nelson has written a campaign song for the Democratic presidential candidate he's endorsed

Now if Elizabeth and crew attended other 930 shows...who knows
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 05:36:27 pm
Duckworth’s response to Tucker Putzson was so on point..so great
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 07, 2020, 07:07:40 pm
Not Harris, please.  She ran an awful campaign. Showed some poor judgement as well.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 07, 2020, 08:20:55 pm
Not Harris, please.  She ran an awful campaign. Showed some poor judgement as well.
I really could be down with anyone except Harris although Stacey Abrams’ popularity befuddles me.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 08:44:15 pm
I really don’t lose any sleep over this...just a parlor game


At this point I would be shocked if it wasn’t Harris, Rice or Duckworth


I feel a lot of these stories we read and see are trial balloons to gauge voter and donor feelings about the VP candidates so if suddenly you are hearing more about Rice or Duckworth there is probably a reason to it...nothing is left to chance
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 07, 2020, 08:54:36 pm
At this point I would be shocked if it wasn’t Harris, Rice or Duckworth
I would be legit stunned if it was Rice or Duckworth, to be honest. I feel like those are the least likely of the 7-ish candidates we keep hearing about.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 08:57:50 pm
On vera...(that means “we shall see” in French..although might be missing an accent)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 09:00:35 pm
Just checked


https://www.electionbettingodds.com/DemVP2020.html


I ain’t crazy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 07, 2020, 10:06:59 pm
Just checked


https://www.electionbettingodds.com/DemVP2020.html


I ain’t crazy
I mean, those numbers are bizarro in a lot of ways. Hillary even being listed is wacky.

I’m just saying I would be stunned if it’s Duckworth or Rice (less so). I HAVE been stunned before.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 10:44:33 pm
Understood
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 08, 2020, 12:37:33 am
On vera...(that means “we shall see” in French..although might be missing an accent)

spelling is correct, no accents.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2020, 11:57:21 am
No more opinions today....so we wait until tomorrow to hear about Trump's tax returns.
just means 24 hours of batshit crazy tweets from donnie
Umm, not sure what happened with the 5 remaining rulings?

Lawrence Hurley@lawrencehurley
No Supreme Court rulings expected today. Awaiting word on when the next ruling day will be. Five cases left


Dude, they are really gonna make us wait another day...


SCOTUSblog@SCOTUSblog
No more opinions today. The court just announced that tomorrow will be the last day of opinions for this term. That means we will have an answer on Trump financial records tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.


Today's pair of decisions on religious employers will have broad consequences for workers. According to some estimates, the ruling in Our Lady of Guadalupe means that hundreds of thousands of employees of religious institutions will lose employment-discrimination protections.  And the ruling in Little Sisters of the Poor could mean that between 70,000 and 126,000 women will lose access to free coverage of contraceptives in their employee health plans. That's the government's own estimate of how many people are affected by the expanded exemptions. The decisions are a big win for businesses with conscientious objections to the ACA contraceptive mandate like Little Sisters & "many other religious objectors who have participated in the litigation" whose employees still have the ability to get coverage from alternative sources
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2020, 12:00:25 pm
I just can’t see them ruling in a way that  is against the president....would love to be wrong


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2020, 12:07:22 pm
I just can’t see them ruling in a way that  is against the president....would love to be wrong
more than normal, I would also love for you to be wrong
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2020, 12:10:02 pm
Touché
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 08, 2020, 12:12:39 pm
I just can’t see them ruling in a way that  is against the president....would love to be wrong
more than normal, I would also love for you to be wrong
Sidehatch, King of the Slams!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2020, 12:18:26 pm
So can anyone tell me why Biden isn't just jumping in feet first with Pot

The Marijuana Superweapon Biden Refuses to Use: Legalizing marijuana is extremely popular. So why won’t Joe Biden embrace the idea? (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/biden-marijuana-pot-legalize/613777/)
Democratic political consultants dream of issues like marijuana legalization. Democrats are overwhelmingly in favor of it, polls show. So are independents. A majority of Republicans favor it now too. It motivates progressives, young people, and Black Americans to vote. Put it on the ballot, and it’s proved a sure way to boost turnout for supportive politicians. It’s popular in key presidential-election states, including Michigan, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Florida, Arizona, and Virginia. There’s no clear political downside—although marijuana legalization motivates its supporters, it doesn’t motivate its opponents

At a minimum, I hope they do this Biden would move marijuana off as a Schedule 1 narcotic
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2020, 12:26:39 pm
Maybe he is a bit out of touch...people have changed
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2020, 12:29:54 pm
Well, I would think cause it’s not that popular with the voters he needs?

I mean he needs disgruntled Trump supporters, people in the middle...

But do we really think supporting pot is going to get people to the polls?

I litterly just said this
So are independents. A majority of Republicans favor it now too. It motivates progressives, young people, and Black Americans to vote. Put it on the ballot, and it’s proved a sure way to boost turnout for supportive politicians.
Those seem like the people he wants to get to the polls

another tidbit from that article
In 2018, top Democrats credited a legalization ballot initiative in Michigan with boosting turnout and producing the biggest blue wave in the country—winning races for governor, Senate, attorney general, and secretary of state, along with flipping two congressional seats and multiple state-legislature seats

So yeah, seems to get everyone to the polls
seems like a no-brainer to me...but I'm obviously biased
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2020, 12:37:41 pm
Yeah I changed my post

Maybe he is out of touch

On the other hand they have to be micro targeting a small segment of the population and maybe they don’t think it plays well there? I mean think about the voters you need to ensure a victory...I assume that’s what they are thinking about....


1% of voters in

PA
WI
MI
NV

2-3%
FL
AZ

4-5%
OH
NC


Something like that...they are not using the turn out your base strategy as much as the turn Trump voters, maybe?

So it’s more like how does an issue play with that small sliver than how does it poll with everyone

Or they are out of touch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2020, 07:43:13 pm
Double down Donnie
Trump on Confederate flag: "My stance is very simple: It’s freedom of speech"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 09:57:50 am
me waiting on the SCOTUS this am
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/2uwZ4xi75JhxZYeyQB/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2020, 10:04:33 am
https://media1.giphy.com/media/3E4g26uDjjqKUMs73y/giphy.gif?cid=82a1493b562d3f80577bef1a072fe67db5b3f404f00bff75&rid=giphy.gif
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 10:13:57 am
Manhattan DA gets Trump tax returns. 7-2 ruling.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/7a59f2a3a2e1643184c59418ba09b6c7/tenor.gif?itemid=8911367)

Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh today rule against Trump on Manhattan DA subpoena.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 10:22:38 am
although...someone said
this means the NY grand jury won't get docs until after the election.
Loss for Trump on the face, but win for him in terms of allowing more delay.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 10:27:41 am
In Trump v. Mazars, Trump wins this stage of dispute over congressional subpoenas to lenders and accountant for president’s financial records as #SCOTUS, 7-2, sends case back to lower courts to take account of separation of powers concerns
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2020, 10:32:56 am
https://media1.giphy.com/media/3E4g26uDjjqKUMs73y/giphy.gif?cid=82a1493b562d3f80577bef1a072fe67db5b3f404f00bff75&rid=giphy.gif
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 09, 2020, 10:43:22 am
Perhaps more interesting in the long run is McGirt coming down 5-4 for the Native American tribe. They tried to cabin this a bit about major crimes but Gorsuch left it a little open still.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2020, 02:42:14 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!


Pretty compelling unfortunately

https://theweek.com/articles/924540
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 03:52:41 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!
Grr...hate when I have to argue with experts.

But nicely done.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 09, 2020, 04:11:58 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!
Grr...hate when I have to argue with experts.

But nicely done.
You argue with me ALL. THE. TIME.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 04:29:57 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!
Just got your book (on audible) that just came out June 20th!
The Kids Are All Left: How Young Voters Will Unite America

Congrats on that!

Man I'm amazed at some the hidden talents our small group of rabble-rousers have
I got nothing...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 09, 2020, 04:39:29 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!
Just got your book (on audible) that just came out June 20th!
The Kids Are All Left: How Young Voters Will Unite America

Congrats on that!

Man I'm amazed at some the hidden talents our small group of rabble-rousers have
I got nothing...

I don't have a book out, but I'm relearning how to play the trombone.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 04:51:22 pm
The rusty one?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 09, 2020, 05:11:12 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!
Grr...hate when I have to argue with experts.

But nicely done.
You argue with me ALL. THE. TIME.

right, and he hates that too.  but he also hates arguing with experts.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 09, 2020, 05:13:26 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!

Pretty compelling unfortunately

https://theweek.com/articles/924540 (https://theweek.com/articles/924540)

jules, you're slacking - you missed an opportunity for your standard "if me then would be accused of doxxing!!!" reply...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 05:13:58 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!
Grr...hate when I have to argue with experts.

But nicely done.
You argue with me ALL. THE. TIME.

right, and he hates that too.  but he also hates arguing with experts.
who are we kidding people...I love arguing with experts AND idiots
How do you think I've stayed friends with Hutch all the years
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2020, 05:19:30 pm
Touché
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 09, 2020, 06:45:40 pm
Look at what boardie Gavroche wrote!

Pretty compelling unfortunately

https://theweek.com/articles/924540 (https://theweek.com/articles/924540)

jules, you're slacking - you missed an opportunity for your standard "if me then would be accused of doxxing!!!" reply...
Yada would probably be foaming at the mouth!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 09, 2020, 08:15:19 pm
Did you hear about that hot supergroup Unity Task Force and their latest release that dropped this week?

I know there is so much fn news...and layer Kanye on top of that

Some interesting stuff but I don’t think the healthcare stuff got enough press ...


A public option plan administered by Medicare. This plan would cover a range of people, including low-income Americans who are not eligible for Medicaid, and anyone who elects to choose the public option from the Affordable Care Act exchanges.


Isn’t that pretty much saying free healthcare for anyone who is low income

Those who currently get health insurance from their employers would also be eligible.


Seriously, wouldn’t all employers love to no longer pay health insurance !
My company of 100 people easily pays out a half million in healthcare costs every year for its staff

What if in this model we’ve increase their taxes by $100,000 and the company keeps 400,000 In costs they had in 2020!  Win-bigger win!

enroll in Medicare from 65 to 60

I can’t think of a single American who is 57 to 64 that wouldn’t be a little bit excited about this proposal

that’s a lot of votes


Yeah it’s just a “Plan”

But I feel like Biden is catching a lot of crap for not going all in on M4A
These are some pretty bold things that should appeal to a lot of people
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2020, 08:26:58 pm
Well Bernie couldn’t stop grinning
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 11:25:15 am
welp got zero traction on my UTF post....who killed NKOTB?


This shit he spews get's me soo freaking angry....but when he starts discrediting our voting system...makes my blood boil

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Mail-In Ballot fraud found in many elections. People are just now seeing how bad, dishonest and slow it is. Election results could be delayed for months. No more big election night answers? 1% not even counted in 2016. Ridiculous! Just a formula for RIGGING an Election........Absentee Ballots are fine because you have to go through a precise process to get your voting privilege. Not so with Mail-Ins. Rigged Election!!! 20% fraudulent ballots?



I gotta imagine the 20% number was said so when he loses by 19% of the vote he can still say it's rigged
I'm hoping twitter flags this one
but obviously doesn't make a difference
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 10, 2020, 11:45:50 am
aren't absentee ballots the same as mail-ins?  asking for a friend...

and why are is we are still trying to make america great again... seems to me three years is a reasonable amount of time...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 11:53:37 am
Covid made it ungreat so who better to make it great than the man who already did it?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 02:35:31 pm
Which of them have been at shows at 930?
I did bump into Dennis Kucinich at a willie show @ 930

be interesting to get some deets on who attened 930 shows...that would help me make my decision
I just remember I bumped into Tim Kaine at the Tommy Stinton/Lemonheads show
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 05:32:42 pm
Stone being pardoned



Couldn’t happen to a bigger jerk


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 07:24:11 pm
Stone being pardoned
Roger Stone had is sentence commuted...which is different...but I'm the least legalminded person on this board
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 07:39:48 pm
Roger Stone being commuted


Couldn’t happen to a bigger jerk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 07:51:14 pm
Still not seeing official coms on this
gatewaypundit is quoting a tweet by students for trump...not  a single news source is running it


Is this the code word that he's been commuted?

I LOVE @GoyaFoods!


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/10/trump-commutes-sentence-roger-stone-356760
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 08:01:59 pm
They always do it late on Friday...summer is even better


This is a really banana republic move


He’ll probably be on TV next week and line up a book deal soon

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 12, 2020, 03:15:52 pm
Trump support may be in process of cratering


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/?ex_cid=irpromo



Or not..in the end polls can have a tough time measuring what people  are going to turn out...it’s not foolproof estimating which “likely voters” are

But one thing is sure: this covid debacle in Florida is fantastic news for Biden campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 12, 2020, 04:06:16 pm
That 46-46 YouGov poll in AZ is maybe Trump’s best poll in two months.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 13, 2020, 02:03:58 pm
So any guesses on what October surprises we'll get from team trump

War with Iran or China?
A terrorist attack on US soil
Send $2000 check to every American
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 13, 2020, 04:48:34 pm
So any guesses on what October surprises we'll get from team trump

War with Iran or China?
A terrorist attack on US soil
Send $2000 check to every American

i'm starting to think that even if he could manufacture all three of those, at once, it wouldn't be enough.

or maybe i'm confusing what i believe with what i want...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on July 13, 2020, 05:00:37 pm
https://youtu.be/M48pQDUKYVE
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 13, 2020, 06:32:35 pm
So any guesses on what October surprises we'll get from team trump

War with Iran or China?
A terrorist attack on US soil
Send $2000 check to every American

i'm starting to think that even if he could manufacture all three of those, at once, it wouldn't be enough.

or maybe i'm confusing what i believe with what i want...

I don’t know if I agree with that
Even with all the insanity going on
he still has 40% approval across the United States and only really need is like 46 to win

 that is a lot Of ground to cover
he could do a couple key things in a couple key states
just get that extra 6% out and suppress and depress the Democratic vote
 it’s possible
maybe not likely
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 13, 2020, 07:05:02 pm
If Trump is at 46% and the G/L candidates take a total 2% and Biden is at 52%, Trumps path to Electoral victory is more in the realm of “technically existent” than “actually possible.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 13, 2020, 07:38:13 pm
Report: Trump Campaign HQ in Rosslyn Shuts Down Due to Coronavirus Case (https://www.arlnow.com/2020/07/13/report-trump-campaign-hq-in-rosslyn-shuts-down-due-to-coronavirus-case/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 07:55:41 am
Yikes... The Federal Death penalty is back
Have a feeling some BLM leader accused of killing a cop might get fast tracked for this
MAGAs would love this
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 14, 2020, 09:02:12 am
Yikes... The Federal Death penalty is back
Have a feeling some BLM leader accused of killing a cop might get fast tracked for this
MAGAs would love this

In theory I'm in favor of the death penalty. They would need to figure out how to mete it out fairly and justly.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 09:23:15 am
It’s a great theoretical point to throw out at parties and on boards...


I have always been against the death penalty. One day it will cease to exist. Maybe in our lifetime. It’s already an anachronism.

The idea that a society like ours - with all the injustices we see..all the systemic racism- could implement a federal death penalty “fairly and justly” under a Trump presidency and with Barr at Justice is laughable.

It is tempting to make an exception in the case of Donald J. Trump who ought to be shot for treason. But it brings up the point: if the federal government won’t use the death penalty on Donald J Trump who would they use it on?  Nobody deserves it more on the federal level.



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 09:24:15 am
Yikes... The Federal Death penalty is back
Have a feeling some BLM leader accused of killing a cop might get fast tracked for this
MAGAs would love this

In theory I'm in favor of the death penalty. They would need to figure out how to mete it out fairly and justly.
that's the rub as it's not 100% fair or just, so innocent people are getting executed
I think there is no place for Government sanctioned executions in the modern world, period
It's not a deterrent, costs more and is about inhumane as you can get
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 09:39:56 am
So do we think this will be the last we hear from Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 09:40:22 am
I suppose the example we always hear for justifying the death penalty is someone like an Osama Bin Laden....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 09:41:49 am
So do we think this will be the last we hear from Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III


I hope so but not counting on it. He was one of my least favorite senators...of course now he has been surpassed by many up and comers
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 09:47:25 am
I didn't have "Squirrels spread bubonic plague" on my 2020 Apoclyapse Bingo card, did any of you?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 10:00:30 am
Wow that was quick


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/daniel-lewis-lee-supreme-court-rule-execution/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 10:00:49 am
Trump: As an example, we’ve done 45 million tests. If we did half that number, you’d have half the cases, probably around that number. If we did another half of that, you’d have half the numbers. Everyone would be saying we’re doing well on cases


No wonder he paid someone to take his SATs. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 10:02:17 am
Wow that was quick


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/daniel-lewis-lee-supreme-court-rule-execution/index.html
I know and on a 5-4 vote, if Merrick Garland had been confirmed, would this have happened

Don't get me wrong, this Lee cat was one evil M'fer, but I still don't condone executions
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 10:07:23 am
I guess I don’t understand what makes something a federal crime...

With Republicans cruelty is the point.








Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 10:13:49 am
I guess I don’t understand what makes something a federal crime...
Me neither and less common, it's still legal in 28 states


States With the Death Penalty (28)

In addition, the U.S. Government and the U.S. Military retain the death penalty.

    Alabama
    Arizona
    Arkansas
    California
    Florida
    Georgia
    Idaho
    Indiana
    Kansas
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    Montana
    Nebraska
    Nevada
    North Carolina
    Ohio
    Oklahoma
    Oregon
    Pennsylvania
    South Carolina
    South Dakota
    Tennessee
    Texas
    Utah
    Virginia
    Wyoming

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/state-and-federal-info/state-by-state
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 10:39:09 am
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/109078051_10221767634916816_2986581884072666041_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=tJx_KlI9ycwAX-cjdBE&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=f7aab45bb48d6031870d0ebeaf45e927&oe=5F33319A)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 14, 2020, 05:30:22 pm
They always do it late on Friday...summer is even better

This is a really banana republic move

"Sen. Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) asked Barr, "Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?"

Barr responded with no real equivocation. "No," he told Leahy. "That would be a crime.""


An old Bill Barr quote about presidential pardons makes a comeback (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/old-bill-barr-quote-about-presidential-pardons-makes-comeback-n1233695?cid=referral_taboolafeed)
Bill Barr counseled Donald Trump not to grant clemency to Roger Stone. Perhaps it's because the attorney general feared it might be a crime?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 10:46:13 pm
Sessions is out


I am glad. I just couldn’t stand him during the W and O presidencies.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 07:09:09 am
Like 2020 already wasn’t totally whacked out
Ye@kanyewest

We must now realize the promise of America by trusting God, unifying our vision and building our future. I am running for president of the United States 🇺🇸! #2020VISION
Drats... he’s out
I was hoping for a three way debate...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 05:21:19 pm
Like 2020 already wasn’t totally whacked out
Ye@kanyewest

We must now realize the promise of America by trusting God, unifying our vision and building our future. I am running for president of the United States 🇺🇸! #2020VISION
Drats... he’s out
I was hoping for a three way debate...

and he was hacked today (along with Bill gates, Elon and Apple)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec_vsExU0AAc4xR?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 05:23:55 pm
Joe Biden's twitter was hacked too!

This was a massive breach at twitter
If you look at the hacker's blockchain, 5,314 people have fallen for the scam already, and sent these hackers $7.8M USD thus far. Wow.

that was at 5:25
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 05:32:10 pm
what the fuck is going on today!

Reuters: U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG HAS BEEN DISCHARGED FROM THE HOSPITAL AND IS HOME AND DOING WELL - COURT STATEMENT
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 05:40:17 pm
barry too....I"m still noticing that no MAGA's are getting it
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec_3GBQU8AAvL3b?format=png&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 15, 2020, 06:08:52 pm
I"m still noticing that no MAGA's are getting it

crypto is a smart man's game.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 15, 2020, 09:26:11 pm
Man....no wonder Trump shitcanned Parscale

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3666
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 09:31:42 pm
Man....no wonder Trump shitcanned Parscale

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3666
Yeah good news
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 15, 2020, 09:34:02 pm
The poll or Parscale?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 09:48:57 pm
The poll or Parscale?
Parscale
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 15, 2020, 11:24:32 pm
Because he is a jerk?
I guess it’s enjoyable to watch him lose his job - I enjoy it-but am guessing Parscale will continue receiving millions for the digital ad buys he does...I understand Brad has personally profited in the tens of millions. When Trump fires someone on his campaign he always seems to keep them around with a different title so Brad stays...

I am old enough to remember Trump’s last presidential campaign where he changed campaign manager at least two times and “won”

The real good news is that poll...I mean 110 days out Trump’s support appears to be taking a major hit. I think Trump has about 50 days to reverse things....or his loss will be on an epic scale.

I hope democrats are doing some thinking - parallel to running the campaign- on what they intend to do come January 2021. Even if Trump loses he, Republicans, FOX and deplorables are not going to melt away and the idea we can go back to the halcyon pre-Trump days is a fantasy. I think odds are Trump himself or one of his children will run in 2024. Biden has to not just get elected...he needs to have a successful presidency.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 15, 2020, 11:44:31 pm
I should add: I think Trump gets kickbacks on a lot of money he directs to others so if we hear Brad has gotten $20 million or whatever crazy number I kind of think he probably has to kick back a bunch Trump’s way.

I think a lot of the business of the campaign and government works in this manner under Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 16, 2020, 01:58:41 am
I am old enough to remember Trump’s last presidential campaign

oh please regale us with stories of the olden days, grandpa!  ;D 

I think a lot of the business of the campaign and government works in this manner under Trump.

this administration is a criminal enterprise, through and through.  look at how many millions trump himself has pulled in via the old post office hotel.  internal memos leaked from 2016 campaign officials saying that the inflated prices they were charging themselves were downright embarrassing.  but he's gotten away with it for 4 years... i'm hoping we learn a lot more once this thief is out of office and loses the protections he needs to keep everything on the DL.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 09:12:36 am
Because he is a jerk?
I guess it’s enjoyable to watch him lose his job - I enjoy it-but am guessing Parscale will continue receiving millions for the digital ad buys he does...I understand Brad has personally profited in the tens of millions. When Trump fires someone on his campaign he always seems to keep them around with a different title so Brad stays...
Mostly, yes
I'm reading that  per FEC filings, Parscale Strategy LLC (& previously Giles-Parscale) have been paid nearly $12 million by the Trump campaign since 2017. Parscale Strategy was also paid over $25.5 million by the RNC since 2017.

In addition, Brad didn't get fired, just got a new job...so his company is still getting paid

Of course there is grift and payback...her's one example
 By keeping Parscale on with the campaign in that "digital and data" role, it lets the campaign keep paying Parscale's company ... which secretly pays one Trump son's wife and other son's girlfriend $180,000 a year, off the FEC books.



Ok this is meta
Brad posts a pick of the death star as  this tweet
For nearly three years we have been building a juggernaut campaign (Death Star). It is firing on all cylinders.  Data, Digital, TV, Political, Surrogates, Coalitions, etc.

In a few days we start pressing FIRE for the first time.


then Mark Hammil reminds him "brad but I have to tell you: the Death Star had a slight design flaw ."
https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1283580842271334401
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 02:21:54 pm
I'm a lefty, there is no doubt.
But in this latest cycle, a new ally has popped out from the oddest of origins.  I'm of course talking about the Lincoln Project.

People have been giving Dems who support the LP a lot of flack, but I live by the philosophy that in this 2020 'war' that an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine
Honestly, I think there are a lot liberal groups that are just angry they are not getting money more than the help they are getting.  But they keep painting as "beware when they start using that money to take down Obmacare and put kids in cages" threat


This article (written by Pod Save America's Dan "the phife" Pfeiffer) does a great job of breaking things down
https://crooked.com/articles/lincoln-project-friend-fraud/

it makes sense that Democrats are thrilled at the idea that a group of Super Villains has agreed to team up with us to take on the existential threat that Trump presents. Despite some of the backlash, supporting the Lincoln Project is not a de facto endorsement of the neoconservative policies of their former clients. The stakes are too high in this election to litmus tests allies, but the attention the Lincoln Project has received doesn’t match their actual impact.


I agree that some of their tactics aren't actually impacting voters, but just going viral on already hard leaning D-voters
But at the same time, they know how to reach the middle and the light-conservatives
and isn't that what it's all about?  I don't think there is a single registered dem that isn't voting Biden

I think in this new era of social media, different than when you had to pay for an ad to get viewed
that the impact of having some of these very compelling vids to forward to your conservative-military type relatives might actual have an impact
as these ads talk in their kind of language

I think the best part of the lincoln project is they don't have to worry about punching below the belt at all
I think there would be zero blowback to Biden or any down-ballot tickets, zero.
They are obviously getting under trumps skin...which only helps as he wastes cycles talking about them
So let them take those nasty digs like ALL of the conservatives do to the Dems (but then whine when some derogatory comment is made)


full disclosure, I've twice sent them $5
(fitting that Lincoln is on the $5 bill...I guess I could send a penny too;) )
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 02:36:16 pm
I love the Lincoln Project!


At the same think the Republican Party has been a problem going back to Newt Gingrich. Some people want to say they were fine until Trump. I just don’t see it that way. The Iraq War is exhibit A. They arguably gave rise to Trump. I see Republicans as an enemy. A group of people with no redeeming qualities that needs to be eliminated. They see me that way! If we don’t begin to understand they are the enemy they will destroy America and us.

We really are in a civil “war” of sorts and need to wake up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 02:40:31 pm
Oh no Sidehatch!!!


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/politics/supreme-court-florida-felons/index.html

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 02:42:46 pm
honestly, it starts at Atwater   (never knew that he help found Red Hot & Blue BBQ)
but they went full-on dirty pool and all about the liberal tears when Newt took power

but I still hear conservatives today talking about 'starving the beast' and 'name one thing the government does right'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 02:44:34 pm
Oh no Sidehatch!!!


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/politics/supreme-court-florida-felons/index.html
FUCK! 

I thought some rich dude offered to pay all those fines

this org is doing it...I might lend a hand to this org to put my money where my mouth is
(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_29/3397560/200716-florida-felon-voting-jm-1359_5d30e2008cd2583109bd00c2387f2111.fit-2000w.jpg)

https://wegotthevote.org/finesandfees/
good news is they've already raised $600k...bad news is they are only 78% there
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 16, 2020, 03:11:18 pm
The Lincoln Project perfectly demonstrates something I’ve long said: the GOP is much better and messaging and elections than the Dems. Their ads are exactly how you run at Donald Trump — call him fat and stupid and weak — and Democrats instead go high when they go low.

It’s monstrous but it works.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 05:12:31 pm
Got Joe on my side!

Joe Biden @JoeBiden
Let's call this what it is: A modern-day poll tax. It's unconscionable.

We need to restore voting rights for individuals formerly incarcerated for felonies — and ensure everyone can make their voice heard at the ballot box.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 07:35:03 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdFNE3NWoAMmCEU?format=png&name=medium)
DUDE!
Trump has a ‘file’ on the Hatch
https://twitter.com/nick_ramsey/status/1283892566698729472?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 16, 2020, 07:42:31 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdFNE3NWoAMmCEU?format=png&name=medium)
DUDE!
Trump has a ‘file’ on the Hatch
https://twitter.com/nick_ramsey/status/1283892566698729472?s=21
Lets just point out for the record that if this were a photo of the personal info and psychological dossiers I maintain on all of you, Yada would be FOAMING at the mouth about doxxing.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 07:45:28 pm
Based on the other misspelled files (ie, “meuller”) in this folder I think it’s pretty clear it’s meant to say “hutch”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 07:46:57 pm
There’s actually a file titled “absurd”!



You can’t make this stuff up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 17, 2020, 03:05:48 am
one of the replies to above post/photo: (https://twitter.com/SahroKapti/status/1283920250015289345)

Sahro Kapti @SahroKapti
Replying to @nick_ramsey
...uh did anyone else see the tab labeled 'HATCH'? Tbh that's the scariest one
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on July 17, 2020, 12:28:15 pm
I just, love a lgbt sandwich.

lettuce, Goya, bacon and tomato
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 17, 2020, 12:36:37 pm
I just, love a lgbt sandwich.

lettuce, Goya, bacon and tomato
Really insensitive of you to exclude quinoa in this day and age.
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Post by: hutch on July 17, 2020, 12:45:33 pm
So why did RBG refuse to retire under the Obama presidency? Anyone know? I mean she was a TWO TIME cancer survivor in her 80s with other health issues! I always thought this was incredibly selfish of her..


Now we better pray she makes it..really pray


Usually when they announce liver cancer has returned it’s not exactly a great sign no matter how much they spin  it


Could Trump fill her vacancy after losing election? I think he could and would so with Mitch happily leading charge she doesn’t just have to live 109 days but 168!! Nearly half a year
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Post by: WALKonBack on July 17, 2020, 12:47:14 pm
I just, love a lgbt sandwich.

lettuce, Goya, bacon and tomato
Really insensitive of you to exclude quinoa in this day and age.

Gurrrrl . . . it's on the side.  I'll eat, that too.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 12:59:05 pm
So why did RBG refuse to retire under the Obama presidency?
No clue, I think pretty much everyone but Michael Moore and Bill Maher though Hill was going to win by a landslide
Don't you think Mitch would have pulled the same Merrick garland shit
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Post by: grateful on July 17, 2020, 01:10:30 pm
I just, love a lgbt sandwich.

lettuce, Goya, bacon and tomato

I prefer mine with guac ;)
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 01:29:58 pm
I love the Lincoln Project!
The you should love their new spawn

The Lincoln Project@ProjectLincoln

Announcing: Operation Grant.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZOztmkKXhTE/hqdefault.jpg)
Ohio is softening for Trump and we see an opportunity: We're joining forces with @RVAT2020  to help ensure Biden takes The Buckeye State.

RVAT2020 is Republican Voters Against Trump
they have been doing some great stuff and I think will really pull votes from the middle to Biden
They have dried in the wool red folks that are rejecting what Trump has done to the GOP and willing to go on record about why Trump has let them down
their videos are very compelling and not by paid actors which makes them more impactful
https://youtu.be/k57rXjqQbp8
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 01:30:44 pm
I just, love a lgbt sandwich.

lettuce, Goya, bacon and tomato
How do you keep the beans from rolling out of the sandwich?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 02:00:50 pm
because of course they are
Senate GOP proposing five-year shield from coronavirus lawsuits for businesses, health care facilities and more
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Post by: sweetcell on July 17, 2020, 02:19:16 pm
because of course they are
Senate GOP proposing five-year shield from coronavirus lawsuits for businesses, health care facilities and more


Moneybags Mitch has been insisting on this provision.  said he wouldn't even consider any fourth round covid stimulus bill that didn't include corporate immunity from being sued over covid-related damages.  he knows who butters his bread...
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Post by: hutch on July 17, 2020, 02:34:18 pm
So why did RBG refuse to retire under the Obama presidency?
No clue, I think pretty much everyone but Michael Moore and Bill Maher though Hill was going to win by a landslide
Don't you think Mitch would have pulled the same Merrick garland shit

Geezus where to start..this is like a part time job...your memory does you no favors amigo...prevagen

I wrote on here many many times about how Trump could win....By the time of the election - right before- I no longer felt this way but in the run up, sure..also she didn’t need to wait to read the political tea leaves..it’s a decision you make a year in advance! SC justices don’t wait until the month before the election! Mitch’s rationale on Merrick Garland was that it was Scalia’s seat and an election year..Remember Scalia dropped dead out of the blue! RBG didn’t need to wait til the election year! She had SEVEN years to retire with Obama appointing a young successor!

I like RBG but her cult is offputting...to me her playing Russian roulette with the future of the Supreme Court and by extension the future of the nation is reprehensible

I am begging for some explanation or rationale that lets her off the hook cause I do like her
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 02:40:35 pm

Geezus where to start..this is like a part time job...your memory does you no favors amigo...prevagen
have you noticed who posts the most in the pot thread ;)
but yes, you were making rumblings that he could win, I'll give you that
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Post by: sweetcell on July 17, 2020, 02:45:48 pm
Seems like punk'ing the MAGA's is becoming sport

Militias flocked to Gettysburg to foil a supposed antifa flag burning, an apparent hoax created on social media (https://www.businessinsider.com/gettysburg-antifa-flag-burning-hoax-dupes-right-wing-protesters-2020-7)

these self-proclaimed oath keepers are starting to scare me...as Jello says American Taliban

background:

The Troll: A fake flag burning at Gettysburg was only his latest hoax (https://forum.930.com/view-source:https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/07/17/gettysburg-antifa-flag-burning-troll/)
A Bernie Sanders supporter has provoked the far right for years using online aliases, sometimes with dangerous results.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 03:06:24 pm
this showed up at freedom plaza
(https://s26552.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/poser-statue.jpeg)
“Today marks the official launch of the Trump Statue Initiative (TSI), a way for artists to share their point of view on our 45th President’s legacy in a way he can truly relate to: through realistic “heroic” statues highlighting the self-serving, narcissistic and racist moments that have notoriously defined his presidency.

Organized by two time Academy nominated writer and director Bryan Buckley, this installation interprets how future generations might remember Donald Trump’s legacy in response to the defining moments of his presidency, and encourages others to get involved.”
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 03:51:24 pm
I"m still noticing that no MAGA's are getting it
Twitter Hack: Why Wasn’t Donald Trump Targeted? (https://www.forbes.com/sites/barrycollins/2020/07/16/twitter-hack-why-wasnt-donald-trump-targeted/#327154487557)
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 04:39:51 pm
two more...but
It was a living statue, with a person playing Trump covered in gold atop a plinth

(https://www.washingtonian.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/trump-the-bunker-994x746.jpg)(https://www.washingtonian.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/trump-back-to-school-994x821.jpg)
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 05:26:31 pm
when we lose Sebastian bach...everything starts to collapse
"If you support Donald Trump you stand against rock n' roll and every musician in America who has been put out of work because a reality television show host doesn't believe in science."

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/07/sebastian-bach-supporting-trump-stance-against-musicians
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Post by: hutch on July 17, 2020, 08:17:10 pm
How pathetically petty

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/white-house-portraits-clinton-bush-trump/index.html
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Post by: hutch on July 17, 2020, 10:02:58 pm
I didn’t realize Julian was a woman



https://www.axios.com/warren-biden-influence-policies-76513650-bf21-4f32-8ca5-68802b35ebe9.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 18, 2020, 09:23:01 am
After RBG said she has cancer, @SenJoniErnst - in a tight re-election race - says GOP Senate should hold hearings on any SCOTUS opening even if Trump loses. Four years ago, Ernst opposed this very thing when Obama tried to fill a seat in early 2016
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2020, 09:29:37 am
I know we should ignore and vote like our lives depend on it...but YOWZA

 @TheEconomist
 Forecast:

Chance of winning the electoral college:
Biden 93%
Trump 7%

Chance of winning the most votes:
Biden 99%
Trump 1%

Estimated electoral college votes:
Biden 353
Trump 185
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Post by: hutch on July 20, 2020, 09:57:18 am
Spreading this everywhere Sidehatch (Twitter?) for what?

Hillary was up 10 points at this point in the campaign four years ago


I think Biden is going to crush him but I try not to yell that to the four winds...
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2020, 10:06:59 am
dude, my impact is smaller than a drop in the ocean
But that was a pretty shocking forecast IMO
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Post by: hutch on July 20, 2020, 10:34:09 am
True
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2020, 04:29:13 pm
now I'm agreeing with Chuck Grassley too
2020 is weird
 not a fan of adding payroll tax cut to GOP recovery plan. He said direct payments are more effective. “I think when a person has a check in his hand ... I think that's going to do more economic good than if we dribble out $30 every paycheck”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 20, 2020, 05:36:14 pm
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day


Grassley is just another Republican traitor
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2020, 06:01:04 pm
trust me I think these guys are crap
 I'm just shocked that in one day I agree with Trump, Paul and Grassley on three different topics
They don't have my support
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2020, 01:05:19 pm
I didn't realize the way to stomach trump is to have a laugh track
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1285618062545362950
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Post by: hutch on July 21, 2020, 01:51:37 pm
I guess two weeks until VP pick?


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/politics/joe-biden-four-black-women-vice-president/index.html
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Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 01:40:49 am
I had totally forgotten this....That Obama wanted Kaine...also that he waited til August 23 to announce pick! Bayh would have been horrible.. By contrast Hillary announced her pick of Kaine about a month earlier..looks like Biden intends to split the difference

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection#:~:text=It%20was%20later%20reported%20that%20Obama%20told%20Kaine%2C,chose%20Joe%20Biden%20as%20his%20vice-presidential%20running%20mate.

I need to go to sleep
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 01:48:10 am
Trump announced the Pence pick July 15
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 01:49:21 am
Romney announced Paul Ryan August 11
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 01:51:04 am
McCain announced Palin pick August 27
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Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 01:52:58 am
Kerry picked John Edwards July 6
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Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 01:54:48 am
Lieberman was announced as Gore’s VP pick I think on August 7
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 01:56:57 am
Bush announced pick of Satan on July 25
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 22, 2020, 07:57:21 am
Remember when Marco Rubio announced Carly Fiorini would be his VP in September of 2019?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 08:44:40 am
I do not
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 08:56:20 am
Remember when Marco Rubio announced Carly Fiorini would be his VP in September of 2019?
You mean Ted Cruz
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Why-Cruz-s-pick-of-Fiorina-for-VP-is-odd-on-7380021.php
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 22, 2020, 09:49:05 am
Remember when Marco Rubio announced Carly Fiorini would be his VP in September of 2019?
You mean Ted Cruz
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Why-Cruz-s-pick-of-Fiorina-for-VP-is-odd-on-7380021.php
Oof. Yes. And it was in April, not September of the year before apparently. I was way off!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 09:54:44 am
Remember when Marco Rubio announced Carly Fiorini would be his VP in September of 2019?
You mean Ted Cruz
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Why-Cruz-s-pick-of-Fiorina-for-VP-is-odd-on-7380021.php
Oof. Yes. And it was in April, not September of the year before apparently. I was way off!
I know, those Hispanics all look alike, so it's understandable
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 09:58:41 am
That was surreal...such a desperation play...


I really don’t know when Biden should announce


Part of me says not for another few weeks..Trump is so busy stepping on himself

Democratic convention starts Monday August 17 so maybe between Friday August 7 and Wednesday August 13?!? Maybe try to hold a socially distanced event, do the Sunday news shows one weekend? That must be their thinking

Of course the earlier you announce the more time you give Trump to plan and execute dumping Pence and roll out Nikki Haley potentially stealing your thunder...but we don’t know Trump will do this...I don’t see Haley hitching her wagon to Trump given current shit show

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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 10:35:55 am
Part of me says not for another few weeks..Trump is so busy stepping on himself
co-signed
...I don’t see Haley hitching her wagon to Trump given current shit show
I'm not so sure about this
But I do see them pulling this out to steal Biden's thunder when he announces...as that is all everyone will talk about if Trump does that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 10:45:18 am
Ok but picking Haley under present circumstances would look like a Hail Mary ..weak...desperate


Hey!


“Hail Mary Haley”!!
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 11:16:10 am
these videos of the Gestapo batoning and teargassing Moms can't be good optics

I think about Selma and the local police  using dogs and firehoses....but this is different
It's the federal government doing this

2020 is soo fucked, I hope we make it to 2021
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 03:59:13 pm
“Hail Mary Haley”!!
She's gunning for it
Nikki Haley@NikkiHaley
It is a new low for Pelosi to refer to the Trump Virus.She didn’t require masks in her committees until mid June & opposed the China travel ban.The only one to blame for this virus is China. Many have died. We should be unified on that front not playing political games with it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 05:18:21 pm
Dang
Biden says Trump is America’s first ‘racist’ president
Guess we are done with 'going high'
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Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 10:15:34 pm
Susan Rice is way climbing...Kamala is way crashing


Somebody thinks they know something and is betting $ on it


https://www.electionbettingodds.com/DemVP2020.html


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Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 10:36:16 pm
Or if the markets - betfair and predict it- are small enough I suppose someone could rig it?


Either way Rice’s surge and Harris’ slide have been happening for about 6 weeks now
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Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 09:40:54 am
These are still huge numbers right? During the Great Recession when Bush Jr was President weren’t we losing about 600,000 jobs a week? Maybe I am conflating different stats

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/economy/coronavirus-unemployment-benefits/index.html
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Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 09:55:19 am
I think I am mixing this up with unemployment


First time jobless claims can go up but if more people are getting jobs for a given period unemployment numbers can go down
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2020, 10:04:01 am
regardless....The total unemployment claims filed since the beginning of the pandemic have moved up to 51 million
we are approaching Great Depression-era unemployment
Jobless claims are tricky too...as there are lots of people who can't qualify for whatever reason that are not being counted
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2020, 10:13:11 am

Republicans scrap Trump’s demand for payroll tax cut as they cobble together draft coronavirus bill

this is good news and another ding to Trump

Payroll taxes help so few.  If you are making $20k a year, you are talking $5 a paycheck.  It's absurd to think that is going to help
Oh yeah, if you are uneployed...no benefit for you

The estimates were that the $600 extra the fed gave pumped $50billion right back into the economy and helped on a lot of levels
Landlords were getting rent, people were buying stuff from stores so they could stay in business
Had that not been there, I think this downturn would have been tremendously worse

Republicans are always soo worried that some poor minority is scamming the system
Yes there are few that might not go back to work if the unemployment is higher, but I think the majority of people would rather have a job.  And those jobs are not there, so it's a silly argument

The grift from the corporations (that benefit very few) is soo much larger
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Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 10:16:21 am
Agree on everything


Was just trying to understand



It’s definitely not good and has big implications for 2020 election
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2020, 10:27:27 am
Agree on everything
Wow...I might have this post framed :)
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 23, 2020, 01:24:29 pm
If one gives a non-apology to AOC, then one should be donning flame retardant  underwear...

Having a daughter does not make a man decent. Having a wife does not make a decent man. Treating people with dignity and respect makes a decent man,

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1286316048635932673?s=20
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Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 01:30:11 pm
She’s great...bright future
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Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 04:21:48 pm
This is encouraging even if I know it’s closer than this and also some Trump voters will come back to him...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/23/poll-biden-lead-trump-florida-380369


The more havoc covid reaps on a state I think the worst Trump chances..what is happening in AZ, GA, FL and TX spells trouble
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2020, 04:37:46 pm
I just fear that this will get Trump even more hell bent on burning it all to the ground and taking the country with him
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Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 07:43:01 pm
Karen Bass seems kinda crazy pick to me...I had not heard of her until a few weeks ago

https://californiaglobe.com/congress/source-coelho-pushing-biden-to-pick-bass/
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2020, 08:00:08 pm
me neither
Bass has been in Congress for ten years. She’s spent the last two chairing the Congressional Black Caucus
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 08:16:35 am
this is not good news
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/new-york-election-failure-mail-in-voting/614446/
The dysfunction is too inane to be called Kafka-esque.

So much hanging on the integrity of this election
what sucks is we now have more recent examples of problems
It just supports the chaos narrative and that we can't trust anything
#darktimes
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 11:36:23 am
Payroll taxes help so few.  If you are making $20k a year, you are talking $5 a paycheck.  It's absurd to think that is going to help
Oh yeah, if you are uneployed...no benefit for you
Ok, I'd like to retract my error
the true number is a person making $20k a year would get $57.6 a pay check
It is also true that the employer also doesn't have to pay that equivalent to the government, so money saved for employers too

Still don't think it's a good idea, just don't like having errors out there
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Post by: grateful on July 24, 2020, 11:42:23 am
Payroll taxes help so few.  If you are making $20k a year, you are talking $5 a paycheck.  It's absurd to think that is going to help
Oh yeah, if you are uneployed...no benefit for you
Ok, I'd like to retract my error
the true number is a person making $20k a year would get $57.6 a pay check
It is also true that the employer also doesn't have to pay that equivalent to the government, so money saved for employers too

Still don't think it's a good idea, just don't like having errors out there

I never read any specific proposal, but those calculations assume elimination of the payroll tax. I had (perhaps incorrectly) that there would just be a cut...either way, it would be effectively useless to everybody.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 05:56:11 pm
Labron helping to hook up the FL felons

LeBron James joins push to turn out ex-felon vote in Florida (https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/07/24/lebron-james-joins-push-to-turn-out-ex-felon-vote-in-florida-1303417)
Friday said it will donate $100,000 to help pay outstanding court debts of ex-felons so they can register to vote. The money will go to the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition,

support the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition https://floridarrc.com/
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Post by: sweetcell on July 24, 2020, 06:06:24 pm
Labron helping to hook up the FL felons

this is TERRIBLE news - we have to assume they're going to vote for their own, i.e. trump, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 06:35:59 pm
Labron helping to hook up the FL felons

this is TERRIBLE news - we have to assume they're going to vote for their own, i.e. trump, right?
White-collar crimes are typically not felonies*



*please don't take leagal advice from da hatch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 24, 2020, 06:45:39 pm
Labron helping to hook up the FL felons

this is TERRIBLE news - we have to assume they're going to vote for their own, i.e. trump, right?
All joking aside, if big money Dem super PACs were smart they would take every cent they’re setting on fire in Kentucky, and spend it on this (and similar) effort(s).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 24, 2020, 07:18:26 pm
Labron helping to hook up the FL felons

this is TERRIBLE news - we have to assume they're going to vote for their own, i.e. trump, right?
White-collar crimes are typically not felonies

if you're a rank amateur, sure.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 07:22:00 pm
All joking aside, if big money Dem super PACs were smart they would take every cent they’re setting on fire in Kentucky, and spend it on this (and similar) effort(s).
I saw your girl kirsten gillibrand  asking for money for Amy

It really would feel good to unseat Mitch
But it’s not smart money at all
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 24, 2020, 08:03:52 pm
All joking aside, if big money Dem super PACs were smart they would take every cent they’re setting on fire in Kentucky, and spend it on this (and similar) effort(s).
I saw your girl kirsten gillibrand  asking for money for Amy
Not my girl AT ALL, but this poor decision is a better reason to not vote for Gillibrand than any reason people actually had for not voting for Gillibrand.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 25, 2020, 08:42:13 am
#wallofmoms & #wallofvets Make for some pretty powerful imagery
Gonna be hard to portray them as antifa radicals

(Although the WH press secretary tried pretty hard the other night...)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 26, 2020, 10:35:38 am
100
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 27, 2020, 09:24:58 am
I didn't think there was a venn diagram that would have 'Daft Punk'remixes with crazy things Donald Trump says overlapping
but here we are
https://twitter.com/iamlouislaroche/status/1286346870239920128
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 27, 2020, 10:02:27 am
Pulling out all the stops for their d-list celebrities for the GOP zoom call
Trump’s Campaign announces its all-star line-up of speakers for new scaled down Republican Convention. Ted Nugent, Scott Baio, Antonio Sabato Jr, and Diamond and Silk will all appear virtually in Zoom boxes before Trump’s acceptance speech. You can already feel the electricity.
@MikeSington
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 27, 2020, 12:22:35 pm
Well at least we know that Trump can build walls ...around the white house!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed3aYi-XsAAFQSm?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 27, 2020, 05:41:35 pm
Can you believe that Tom Cotton is running unopposed for a senate seat!
https://www.facingsouth.org/2019/12/why-theres-no-democrat-running-against-sen-tom-cotton-arkansas

Dem nominee dropped out in Nov 2019 (likely due some good dirt GOP black ops found)
 Because he dropped out after the filing deadline, the Democratic Party of Arkansas can only nominate a replacement if the candidate dies, becomes seriously ill, leaves the state, or files for another office.


Not that it's likely a Dem could win in AK (jez Hutch, cut a man some slack) AR, but seems insane that a Senate seat would go unopposed!

Hard to find info, but apparently there is someone who is close to getting on the ballot
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tom-cotton-opponent-moves-closer-to-ballot-access-301087770.html
He will get crushed, but a lot of GOP people are going down with the Trump ship, so it'd be foolish to not have an opponent on the ticket for a freaking senate seat!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 27, 2020, 05:47:41 pm
Lord I hate me some Tom Cotton


AK is Alaska
AR is Arkansas
AZ is Arizona
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 09:37:55 am
Lindsay is on the ropes!

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/509220-graham-harrison-in-statistical-tie-in-senate-race-internal-poll
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2020, 10:41:18 am
Lindsay is on the ropes!

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/509220-graham-harrison-in-statistical-tie-in-senate-race-internal-poll
He wins by 9% +/- 2.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 10:58:34 am
It’s an internal poll from the D camp...just designed to get people to waste their $

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2020, 12:35:37 pm
It’s an internal poll from the D camp...just designed to get people to waste their $
Exactly. Much like money spent on McConnells opponent in Kentucky, the SC campaign is just democrats setting money on fire that could be better spent on races in Alaska, Maine, NC, even Iowa.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 12:37:56 pm
guys....I know there are facts, but fuck your facts.  I want Lindsay and Mitch to lose! So not going to let those facts get in the way of my wallet.  Just sent the max to Cotton, Mitch and Lindsay's opponents to prove you guys wrong!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2020, 12:51:22 pm
The wing of the Democratic electorate that thinks Biden is going to win in a landslide needs to be thinking about what a reasonable stretch goal for 2020 is. It is not 410 EV, McConnell and Graham defeated, and Dems with a filibuster proof Senate lead. That is not happening.

Instead, they should consolidate around a plan to get Biden above 300 so Trump cannot reasonably contest the election and get the Senate to 53-47. At 53 seats, Dems can reasonably survive a 2022 midterm slide back towards the GOP (which will happen if Biden wins) if you look at which Senate seats are contested and looking ahead to 2024 which is a VERY good Senate map for Dems, probably gives the Dems the Senate for the next 6 years.

Be smart. Stop shooting for Jupiter. Walk on Mars.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 01:07:08 pm
Dude, why put the bar so low
Jupiter has 79 moons

Yes Mars is a mere 61 million miles away and Jupiter is 387 Million miles away
Just a few extra trusts from the booster and few years in space
Did I say it has 79 moons!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2020, 01:16:22 pm
Bernie Bros go to Jupiter to get more stupider. BiDUDEns go to Mars to drive fast cars.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 06:33:37 pm
Biden VP pick is next week....


I think it’s going to be Susan Rice...or Kamala Harris...

But Susan Rice is the likeliest...someone he has worked with extensively...

Of course I could be way off..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 06:37:18 pm
Biden VP pick is next week....


I think it’s going to be Susan Rice...
Total Russia hawk...and we kinda need that
I really do like Harris, but walks in with a lot of baggage from her days as AG of CA
Not sure that will really hurt turn out, but seemed like it a month ago

She is a good fit to take over from Barr and prosecute all these bastards
I think she'd have a good time putting some of these guys behind bars

Would be awesome if biden filled his whole cabinet with women/Gay/POC
would drive the MAGA crowd totally bonkers
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2020, 07:17:12 pm
It is absolutely astonishing to me that he is even considering anyone other than Elizabeth Warren.

Yes, put Benghazi back on the forefront of this election. Put African-American Hillary as your VP. Just staggeringly dumb.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 07:21:11 pm
Probably Elizabeth Warren is the only candidate that would bring excitement....



But calling Susan Rice “African-American Hillary” seems crazy


Whoever Biden picks they will make up stuff about...If it’s Warren they will ride the Pocahontas charge
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 07:22:21 pm
so it seems like Republicans are really the only ones who care about BenGaaaaahzie 
(there is an infrequent bordie whos name was like Gaaaah, always loved that name)

I think EW is great, but she'll Secretary of the Treasury or Commerce
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 07:26:09 pm
Is Benghazi such a huge deal? A few Americans died compared to 152,000 from Covid19 and after all the investigations they found nothing.

I mean the kind of people who get riled up about this issue will get riled up about masks, anything Trump tells them...

Should Biden let these wackos dictate his pick?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 07:52:01 pm
Should Biden let these wackos dictate his pick?
Absolutely not, that why Benghazi is irrelevant to any potential Biden voter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 08:32:55 pm
Let's be clear, we are getting the vote out regardless of polling...no question

but this tidbit from nate gave me a litte pause
Nate Silver@NateSilver538
At the end of the day, it's only July, there are a lot of unprecedented events happening, polling is more accurate than its critics think but probably *not* as accurate as it was in say 2004-2012—and if we wind up in a photo finish, Trump likely wins b/c of the Electoral College.So while Biden has a robust polling lead now, and a number of other things going for him, it's a little early to be all that confident about what is going to happen.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2020, 09:21:50 pm
But calling Susan Rice “African-American Hillary” seems crazy
Sorry for the confusion: that was a reference to Kamala.

Susan rice is Benghazi.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2020, 09:22:52 pm
Rice or Harris get out the Republican vote in opposition more than it does the Dem vote and fires up no particular wing of the Dem party.

Warren is the exact opposite.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 09:49:51 pm
Bull.


Warren will be tagged a socialist and feed into the Biden is senile and will let the communists/socialists run his administration....


I think he should pick who he wants and definitely not make his pick out of fear...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 28, 2020, 09:59:09 pm
Bull.


Warren will be tagged a socialist and feed into the Biden is senile and will let the communists/socialists run his administration....


I think he should pick who he wants and definitely not make his pick out of fear...
And in their attempts to tag her as a socialist, they’ll highlight her wildly popular-even-to-Independents policies. Whereas when they target Kamala or Rice, they bring bupkiss to the table except happening to be part of an ethnic group that is voting for Biden at a 90+% rate anyway.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 10:05:10 pm
I just don’t agree and my posts on this thread have addressed most of what you say.


I am not going to tear down Elizabeth Warren. I don’t believe she has any chance of getting selected and neither would I recommend it.


Regardless Rice and Harris are the favorites one week out. We will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 10:12:25 pm
However, a Warren pick is the one that would create the most buzz and excitement.

The Rice and Harris picks are fairly boring.


I fully acknowledge that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 11:15:29 am
I saw a poll said 78% of democrats want a black woman as V.P.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 12:09:40 pm
Oh boy


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/politics/biden-kamala-harris-notes/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0l9E6WURt1lDqLXaGxORebVALwue_iZn5lGpNjvpW5CzuncO7m3PSRqkw
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 29, 2020, 12:12:32 pm
Whereas when they target Kamala or Rice, they bring bupkiss to the table except happening to be part of an ethnic group that is voting for Biden at a 90+% rate anyway.

Biden is the strong preference for african-american voters, but that doesn't mean they will vote.

biden needs the black vote to show up in november.  an all-white ticket = alienating blacks = low turnout.  talk to your girl hillary about that one.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 12:34:44 pm
Oh boy


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/politics/biden-kamala-harris-notes/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0l9E6WURt1lDqLXaGxORebVALwue_iZn5lGpNjvpW5CzuncO7m3PSRqkw
I do love how photojournalists have been catching these as of late
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200728212510-biden-kamala-harris-list-0728-exlarge-169.jpg)
although, I felt this one didn't contain any bombshells or oh boy moments
Did I miss something?  Don't think "do not hold grudge" is that damning?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2020, 12:44:59 pm
biden needs the black vote to show up in november.  an all-white ticket = alienating blacks = low turnout.  talk to your girl hillary about that one.
How about I talk to Bill Clinton about it? Or better yet, I'll talk to the participants in the literally tens of polls of African American voters I have posted that all show them with a preference for Elizabeth Warren. Listen to African-American voters when they tell you what they want.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2020, 12:46:43 pm
This Tennessee GOP Senate Primary is amazing. A candidate is literally getting blasted for voting for his party's -- the same party whose Senate nomination he is running for -- 2012 Presidential nominee.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 12:53:06 pm
So you think Biden can’t win without Warren? Is that why you are so concerned?


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2020, 01:08:33 pm
So you think Biden can’t win without Warren? Is that why you are so concerned?
No, but I think Warren improves his chances of winning whereas I think Rice or Harris reduce it.

Let me turn the question around: you are on record as saying multiple times on here that the VP choice does not matter -- then why do you keep arguing with me the merits of one vs another if its inconsequential?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 01:15:44 pm
TeamTrump quietly pulls add spending int the great swing state of Michigan
Looks like they are conceding The Wolverine State and focusing money on states they think they can win

in recent days, Mr. Trump’s campaign stopped buying ads in Michigan entirely.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/29/us/politics/michigan-trump-biden-2020.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 01:18:44 pm
Well I think the V.P. should be a black woman because it helps and is the right thing to do for Biden (he owes) and the country (we need this)

At the same time I think this election has gotten away from Trump so it won’t really matter for the election so the issues are more about future governance


But when you make all these points about how great Warren is and tag someone as a black Hillary Clinton well I just don’t agree...I also think Warren has little in common with Biden...I realize some see that as an asset..I don’t

Ultimately though I am just pointing out that Kamala and Rice are the favorites and your response is that’s insanity..I think given the current electoral context you reaction is completely overboard and kind of discredits you...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 29, 2020, 02:07:57 pm
the literally tens of polls of African American voters I have posted that all show them with a preference for Elizabeth Warren. 

and i'll counter with literally tens of polls that show Harris in the lead, and i even found one that had Abrams on top.  warren does come out on top more often than the others, but the point is: there isn't a clear-cut preference for Warren, and she certainly doesn't have runaway candidate-type enthusiasm behind her. 

layer on top the horrible optics of yet another all-white ticket, and Warren is sunk IMHO.  some black voters will be disappointed if she doesn't get the nod, but the consolation prize will be a woman of color.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 02:20:42 pm
And Warren is 71!! To me it’s a non starter....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2020, 02:22:54 pm
I wish Biden had never promised to pick a woman. He really painted himself into a corner on that one.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 02:28:10 pm
Who would make a great male VP for Biden?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2020, 02:38:06 pm
Who would make a great male VP for Biden?

Gavin Newsom, Jay Inslee, Cory Booker, Steve Bullock, Sherrod Brown...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on July 29, 2020, 02:39:02 pm
Who would make a great male VP for Biden?

George Carlin would be great! Sadly...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 02:46:33 pm
Who would make a great male VP for Biden?
I pick George Costanza
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 29, 2020, 02:54:41 pm
there... is... no... bottom...


Quote
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

I am happy to inform all of the people living their Suburban Lifestyle Dream that you will no longer be bothered or financially hurt by having low income housing built in your neighborhood...

...Your housing prices will go up based on the market, and crime will go down. I have rescinded the Obama-Biden AFFH Rule. Enjoy!


i'm not making this up. (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288509568578777088)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 04:31:37 pm
Who would make a great male VP for Biden?

Gavin Newsom, Jay Inslee, Cory Booker, Steve Bullock, Sherrod Brown...


These are all awful to not any better than what we have!

Newsom? Seriously? Doesn’t he have his work cut out for him dealing with pandemic?!?

Cory Booker offers what compared to Kamala? New Jersey?!

I could go on
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 04:55:11 pm
I was all excited about the 'no-excuse' absentee voting in virgina...but I didn't realize this was enacted too

You can vote early at your local registrar’s office beginning 45 days before Election Day


https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/absentee-voting/
which means you can vote on Saturday, September 19th, 2020

52 days left!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 07:12:25 pm
Labron helping to hook up the FL felons

LeBron James joins push to turn out ex-felon vote in Florida (https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/07/24/lebron-james-joins-push-to-turn-out-ex-felon-vote-in-florida-1303417)
Friday said it will donate $100,000 to help pay outstanding court debts of ex-felons so they can register to vote. The money will go to the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition,

support the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition https://floridarrc.com/

MJ says go big or go f'n home
Michael Jordan and the @Jumpman23 brand are donating $1 million to the @ficpfm  to help combat disenfranchisement of people with felony convictions! #FRRC will receive $500,000 of that donation to help pay off the fees of FL returning citizens!


We are getting close to coming up with donations to cover all the fees!
Talk about a way to directly end systematic racisim!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 07:22:30 pm
there... is... no... bottom...
Quote
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I am happy to inform all of the people living their Suburban Lifestyle Dream that you will no longer be bothered or financially hurt by having low income housing built in your neighborhood...
...Your housing prices will go up based on the market, and crime will go down. I have rescinded the Obama-Biden AFFH Rule. Enjoy!


i'm not making this up. (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288509568578777088)
This was some good commentary on the idiocy of this plan of attack

G. Elliott Morris@gelliottmorris
Of the many reasons why Trump's campaign to radicalize white suburbanites against Democrats is doomed to fail is that the white share of the suburban pop has dropped from 93% to 65% since 1970. Plus, the (largely college-educated) whites that remain are overwhelmingly D. So The Trump campaign's strategy actually seems remarkably simple right now. They have realized there are not enough rural white voters to get Trump elected again, so they're using the DHS & cops to try to make cities look dangerous and scary again. But this isn't 1970 anymore. Trump got lucky in 2016. The suburbs in the Midwest are a bit more GOP than they are elsewhere (the coasts, the sunbelt) and so were willing to reluctantly vote for him and against a very unpopular and polarizing Hillary Clinton. That + the rural voters there won him the elec. This time around, it looks like suburbanites won't be so kind to him. They are demographically more friendly to Democrats and generally aren't as susceptible to the "law and order" rhetoric and white flight campaigns of the mid-to-late-1900s. This simply isn't a tactic for 2020. Add to all this that Joe Biden performs way better with rural, non-college whites than Clinton ever did and IMO even before you get to state-level polls, the president's position is pretty clearly inadequate.  If you had looked at demographic trends and crosstabs on trade, immigration and elite favorability in 2016, you could have spotted the potential for error in the polls. This time around it doesn't look like the same path exists (though he could open up another one by e-day).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 09:03:44 pm
97
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 10:24:54 pm
I don’t know if I buy this....this is what I would call the Space Freely view of the election

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/29/opinions/swing-voters-midwest-trump-support-thau/index.html


I doubt any of the VP candidates would help with this group
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2020, 10:30:40 pm
I don’t know if I buy this....this is what I would call the Space Freely view of the election

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/29/opinions/swing-voters-midwest-trump-support-thau/index.html


I doubt any of the VP candidates would help with this group
I mean who can argue with a 33 person poll that purports to represent the views of 4 states full of people. Shut it down folks, 4 more years of Trump is here.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 30, 2020, 09:23:35 am
Geez


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/trump-suggests-unprecedented-delay-to-november-election/2542252/?fbclid=IwAR1MfwdfDGITGKA95kYu5-Nuk6xxuVMgdrwWAx1OONaNY2Nh33cE7JdUyCI



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 30, 2020, 09:30:33 am
Don’t worry guys, he poised it as a question. It’s fine.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 30, 2020, 09:35:27 am
Just getting the ammunition ready to discredit and challenge the results....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 30, 2020, 09:49:14 am
...and hoping to get people to ignore new GDP and unemployment numbers

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 30, 2020, 10:04:16 am
...and hoping to get people to ignore new GDP and unemployment numbers
Ding, ding, ding.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 30, 2020, 02:27:36 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/1A0A3O7.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 30, 2020, 02:46:06 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/1A0A3O7.png)
Roflmao.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2020, 11:14:15 am
I wonder if any of this is true

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/joe-biden-running-mate/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 31, 2020, 12:33:00 pm
I wonder if any of this is true

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/joe-biden-running-mate/index.html
Honestly, she’s my #2 behind Warren from a strategic ideology.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 31, 2020, 01:19:59 pm
I wonder if any of this is true

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/joe-biden-running-mate/index.html
Honestly, she’s my #2 behind Warren from a strategic ideology.

66 years old. You like the older ladies, don't you?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 31, 2020, 02:07:52 pm
I wonder if any of this is true

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/joe-biden-running-mate/index.html
Honestly, she’s my #2 behind Warren from a strategic ideology.

66 years old. You like the older ladies, don't you?
If the alternative is a fucking cop or a fat loser whose never even won a statewide office, hell yeah.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2020, 02:14:54 pm
Damn man

That just seems uncalled for...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 31, 2020, 02:20:07 pm
Damn man

That just seems uncalled for...
Hey, wait and see what the GOP does with those prospective picks.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2020, 02:48:46 pm
Well could be a second Karen Bass trial balloon

Make sure nothing damaging is out there..she is fairly untested on big stage
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2020, 11:23:12 pm
I think that’s exactly what they are doing

https://www.mediaite.com/news/karen-bass-reportedly-on-biden-vp-shortlist-praised-scientology-at-2010-church-ribbon-cutting/


Announcement being pushed back....developing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 01, 2020, 08:23:57 am
I think that’s exactly what they are doing

https://www.mediaite.com/news/karen-bass-reportedly-on-biden-vp-shortlist-praised-scientology-at-2010-church-ribbon-cutting/


Announcement being pushed back....developing
Woof. I get that she was trying to make a point about equality but that one is hard to stomach.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 01, 2020, 11:11:33 am
Geezus

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/25/nation/bipartisan-group-secretly-gathered-game-out-contested-trump-biden-election-it-wasnt-pretty/?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Afacebook&fbclid=IwAR0dnyi6Y9IoCVsm0YFwvdxoa5Xa-_YxNqGQ2D9OELzffQ8MwcXhs5vr1aA
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 01, 2020, 09:31:41 pm
I was making a joke with my screen name of Patio Pizza sells children

but I just today saw someone post something about pizzagate protest in LA and it wasn’t a joke
Signs with pizzagate and “Hillary is satan”
https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1289295787197739014?s=21

Fuckin dark times
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 02, 2020, 06:21:45 pm
I think this was Carl Reiner's deathbed wish too
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeW5_E3WoAE6lAt?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 03, 2020, 08:47:02 am
Can I tell you how terrified I am of the 2020 October surprise
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on August 03, 2020, 12:16:58 pm
my money still is on, the Ghislaine Maxwell effect, all coming to light by the fall as a pretty good effect on quite a few people in politics.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 03, 2020, 08:15:52 pm
Who the heck is Michelle Tidball ?
And should Biden be considering her?🙀
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 03, 2020, 08:24:57 pm
Who the heck is Michelle Tidball ?
And should Biden be considering her?🙀
I think you’re confused. Kanye announced her as his VP candidate. Imagine Marriane Williamson but with weird Biblical conspiracy theories and 20 less IQ points.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 03, 2020, 08:28:01 pm
Who the heck is Michelle Tidball ?
And should Biden be considering her?🙀
I think you’re confused. Kanye announced her as his VP candidate. Imagine Marriane Williamson but with weird Biblical conspiracy theories and 20 less IQ points.
With Out even looking her up I had a feeling that was the answer
I was 100% joking
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 03, 2020, 08:28:16 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/116426739_10220070885697229_8147135106738318893_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=ft8QZnKLgFwAX_9Sxpw&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=8e8ecd63bc6953ba13db898ba5c51c3f&oe=5F4ED8DE)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 03, 2020, 08:33:32 pm
and 20 less IQ points.

TAN: i suspect that your grammar tutor back in finishing school would have you use "fewer" in this instance.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 03, 2020, 08:38:16 pm
and 20 less IQ points.

TAN: i suspect that your grammar tutor back in finishing school would have you use "fewer" in this instance.
Finishing school is for ladies, bro.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 04, 2020, 01:22:24 pm
The President of the USA: It is what it is


A person that never owns up to errors... never thinks or learns..no self awareness or personal responsibility
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 02:17:08 pm
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1290696009593520130
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 04, 2020, 08:29:31 pm
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1290806097062899717?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 04, 2020, 09:09:10 pm
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1290806097062899717?s=20
Holy shit... the winner of the internet has been chosen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 05, 2020, 09:08:15 am
90
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 05, 2020, 10:35:49 am
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-joe-biden-campaign-door-knockers-391454

Trump's campaign knocks on a million doors a week. Biden's knocks on zero
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 05, 2020, 10:48:47 am
I really don’t know how anyone can believe anything the Trump campaign says



I wouldn’t open my door for a random knock during a pandemic would you?

I wouldn’t knock on people’s doors during a pandemic would you?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 05, 2020, 11:12:00 am
I agree with you.  Wouldn’t do it and wouldn’t be likely open the door to a stranger.
I certainly think it’s foolish
But ground games are always important


In other batshit crazy news coming from Trump

Preisdent Trump says "the schools should open" but "I think the teachers are a different story. And if a teacher is in a certain age group, I think they shouldn't be going in and probably they're going to have to wait until the thing goes by. They'll have to wait."


So schools with 1/2 the staff?



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 05, 2020, 11:25:41 am
I agree with you.  Wouldn’t do it and wouldn’t be likely open the door to a stranger.
I certainly think it’s foolish
But ground games are always important


In other batshit crazy news coming from Trump

Preisdent Trump says "the schools should open" but "I think the teachers are a different story. And if a teacher is in a certain age group, I think they shouldn't be going in and probably they're going to have to wait until the thing goes by. They'll have to wait."


So schools with 1/2 the staff?

I can't speak for Trump, but when people with half a brain in their head are talking about schools opening, they're not necessarily talking about opening full time for everyone. Fairfax had a choice between hybrid and distance learning, full time wasn't an option.

I know Maine and Vermont are opening schools, at least in a hybrid fashion. And they've got the rates low enough and are rural enough and hopefully have enough testing and tracing in place to make it work. Most places, including NoVA, don't.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 05, 2020, 02:28:38 pm
Taking the election in isolation from wether Trump will concede etc this is a good article on where we are


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-is-polling-better-than-clinton-at-her-peak/?ex_cid=trump-approval


It’s amazing that no matter what Trump does his bedrock support stays with him...he isn’t just shooting someone on Fifth Avenue but tens of thousands of Americans and yet his support doesn’t budge


It’s just not enough...but nonetheless remarkable
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 05, 2020, 03:12:03 pm
Not a smidge, they are going down with the ship
There is an element with that group that can’t ever admit they are wrong
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 05, 2020, 05:19:25 pm
The purity test was that dems have to go through compared to any GOP contender Is absurd
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 06, 2020, 11:54:14 am
Who had NY AG moves to dissolves NRA on their bingo card?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 06, 2020, 12:00:30 pm
Who had NY AG moves to dissolves NRA on their bingo card?
The New York Racing Association has been a trainwreck for years. People of my ilk will not rest until Maggie Wolfendale's head is on a pike!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 06, 2020, 12:15:01 pm
has anyone checked in in ????hatch?  i fear he was refreshing some news site frantically hoping for something 45 related and maybe dispondent-hatch at the moment
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 06, 2020, 12:17:14 pm
whoa ????? hatch turns into ????hatch

this has been the premier episode of my new podcast "fun with question marks" ????
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 06, 2020, 12:51:47 pm
Triple ? has long triggered the ??? emoji in UBB. A quadruple ? will do the emoji plus the fourth question mark. Nothing new.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on August 06, 2020, 12:58:47 pm
TIL...

Triple ? has long triggered the ??? emoji in UBB. A quadruple ? will do the emoji plus the fourth question mark. Nothing new.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 06, 2020, 01:13:50 pm
your one-stop-shop for how awful trump is: https://www.trumpisawful.tv/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 06, 2020, 03:05:35 pm
good thing i never pursued my career as a TED Talker...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 06, 2020, 05:20:22 pm
I’m doing fine, crossed the NY border last Thursday and have been enjoying some distanced r&r. But I’m hearing they are closing the border?

Although  while I was gone, apparently Biden is against God??
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1291438276671397890?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 06, 2020, 07:28:27 pm
No agreement between Munchkin/Meadows and Nancy/Chuck
So far


Trump may just execute certain parts by executive orders

Senators headed home but could come back

Not sure what Democrats should do ...maybe hold firm for once

As far as venues I believe this lack of agreement would mean no help ... dire
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 07, 2020, 03:58:04 am
From what I read it’s not at all too late to be on most ballots and he has time to get on ballot in pretty much every state

Just to take it seriously for a second, Kanye would only cost Biden votes..

And we know Kanye was singing Trump’s praises....

If Kanye decided to spend $ and the race between Trump and Biden tightened Kanye could become a problem particularly if he ran on a message targeted to black people (or whatever term they are comfortable with this week) of “Democrats take your vote for granted and don’t do anything for you!”

I am hoping it’s a joke candidacy but not sure I feel comfortable assuming so yet

Exclusive: Kanye West Indicates That His Spoiler Campaign Is Indeed Designed To Hurt Biden (https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2020/08/06/exclusive-kanye-west-indicates-that-his-spoiler-campaign-is-indeed-designed-to-hurt-biden/#14c58f863975)
In an exclusive interview, the billionaire rapper says he’s “walking for president” as GOP operatives work to get him on state ballots.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 07, 2020, 07:02:31 am
I’m doing fine, crossed the NY border last Thursday and have been enjoying some distanced r&r. But I’m hearing they are closing the border?

Although  while I was gone, apparently Biden is against God??
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1291438276671397890?s=21


Enjoy your time away from the madness r&rhatch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 07, 2020, 02:24:08 pm


https://mobile.twitter.com/willeastman/status/1291799298871525378
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 07, 2020, 03:02:48 pm
https://twitter.com/930Club/status/1291804433962213376?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 07, 2020, 06:31:01 pm
No deal!


I think we will now see venues closing



Honestly Trump may like it this way..he will blame democrats and take credit for helping people himself

It should be unconstitutional but he is going to do it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 07, 2020, 06:55:48 pm
Honestly Trump may like it this way..he will blame democrats and take credit for helping people himself
They really shouldn’t fight him on it. Just hammer it’s lame and when it doesn’t work it’s on Trump because they think the American people deserve so much more.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 07, 2020, 08:59:22 pm
Seems like news

https://apnews.com/65025dc16aa18353cf868658d9b2314a
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 10, 2020, 12:01:10 pm
Well we shall know VP pick in next 72 hours


Harris still favorite but Rice also up there


Harris is the safer choice....

We shall see
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 10, 2020, 12:03:56 pm
You know Trump is going to drop some insane news the second this comes out to try and steal the thunder
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 10, 2020, 12:14:15 pm
He drops insane news every day....I am worn out


It’s like you don’t know how to react anymore


85
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 10, 2020, 10:12:23 pm
Not sure what accounts for the startling shift but Rice is now betting markets favorite

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 10, 2020, 10:24:01 pm
Not sure what accounts for the startling shift but Rice is now betting markets favorite

Her ugly son is a real piece of work.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 10, 2020, 10:30:45 pm
Weird...usually these shifts are based on info but not seeing anything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on August 10, 2020, 11:05:01 pm
I would think having a Trump supporting son would be an unnecessary burden and distraction to the ticket.  Give me Kamala or Duckworth.

Not sure what accounts for the startling shift but Rice is now betting markets favorite

Her ugly son is a real piece of work.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on August 10, 2020, 11:23:55 pm
Susan Rice

Keystone'd
Pipeline'd
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 09:28:36 am
If you live in Virginia...38 days until you can drop off your Absentee vote!
(FTR...I have not heard a single person talk or tweet about this...I think people should be shouting it from the mountain tops in VA)
Curbside voting appears to be an option too!


In-Person Absentee Voting starts: Sep 18, 2020


Absentee and Early Voting In-Person

You can vote early at your local registrar’s office beginning 45 days before Election Day and ending the Saturday before Election Day.
To vote early in-person, do the following:

    Starting 45 days before Election Day, visit your local registrar’s office or a satellite voting location in your county or city to vote early.
    You do not have to have a reason or fill out an application to vote early.
    At the registrar’s office or satellite voting location, you must provide your name and address and show an acceptable form of ID or sign an ID Confirmation Statement.
    Accessible equipment and/or curbside voting is available upon request.

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/absentee-voting/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 11, 2020, 09:58:50 am
Not sure what accounts for the startling shift but Rice is now betting markets favorite
Terrific, we get to fire up GOP voters to a frothy, Benghazi furor.

Asinine pick.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 10:07:53 am
I don’t think it’s the pick necessarily but it is the first time Rice led Harris...heck, first time Harris trailed


Betting markets aren’t all knowing

The only thing I could find that might explain this was Tucker Carlson at 8 right when the spike happened said it would be Rice and erroneous info circulating that Harris had stopped following Biden campaign on Twitter

Markets seem to have comeback to pre spike levels with Harris leading

The events of last week - ie, race tightening- lead me to think it will be Harris: the less risky choice
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 10:41:31 am
Betting markets aren’t all knowing
is there a lot of real money on the line?
Seems like it would be easy to cause some chaos in this market if the cost is low to cause a spike
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 10:49:10 am
^I have thought same thing


I don’t really understand betting markets so no idea how much money is involved

It would be funny if Biden picked somebody nobody has even thought of....


Everyone should chill out...Biden is not going to pull a Palin

This pick is not going to be the difference
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 11, 2020, 10:57:23 am
Everyone should chill out...Biden is not going to pull a Palin

This pick is not going to be the difference
I will say this, if he goes with Gretchen, he absolutely puts Michigan right back in play for Trump. She is a super polarizing figure in that state.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 11:35:28 am
Everyone should chill out...Biden is not going to pull a Palin

This pick is not going to be the difference
I will say this, if he goes with Gretchen, he absolutely puts Michigan right back in play for Trump. She is a super polarizing figure in that state.
I know you have allegiance to this state, but I still blame you for not getting the vote out there in 2016

but Gretchen is fairly popular in her state...in 2018 she won with a 10 point spread
and Trump eked out a win by ~10k votes with close to 4.8mill cast 
jez the 3rd party vote in the state was over 250k votes


https://www.woodtv.com/news/elections/poll-whitmer-tops-trump-for-pandemic-response/
Of the 600 people surveyed between May 30 and June 3, 55% gave the governor positive marks for her job overall while 43% gave her a negative rating.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 12:01:46 pm
If only Whitmer was black...


I can see a rationale for picking her regardless....But I don’t see it


I would be kind of shocked...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 12:06:49 pm
was not advocating picking GW, but only to show that I don't think Biden would lose MI if he picked her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 12:16:17 pm
I know


I think if he picked her he would be way more likely to win Michigan but it would create a huge brouhaha that he didn’t pick a black woman

I can definitely see the rationale for picking her...strengthen your hand in MI, WI etc

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 12:30:28 pm
I just noticed Harris has the slot right before Joe in the Dem Convention on the last night  (although the VP will be speaking on Wed?)
Rice isn't even listed as a speaker

An Obama will close the 1st and 3rd nights
Hil and Bill
Bernie and AOC also getting talk time

Yang and Beto got the Heisman
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 12:47:42 pm
This may be driving Rice’s stock in the betting sites but could be a head fake...

Within next 48 hours we will know
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 01:00:28 pm
Here is a Biden shirt that I could see Hutch wearing
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfJ3nR_XkAAUvNt?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 11, 2020, 01:27:26 pm
Here is a Biden shirt that I could see Hutch wearing
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfJ3nR_XkAAUvNt?format=jpg&name=large)

He's a handsome dude (Willie, not Hutch), but that's one ugly t-shirt.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 11, 2020, 01:29:48 pm
it would create a huge brouhaha that he didn’t pick a black woman

it would, but that brouhaha would be slightly mitigated by the fact that jim clyburn, the person most responsible for turning around joe's campaign and getting him the nom thanks to his strong endorsement in SC, has essentially given permission to joe to pick a non-black running mate:
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/08/01/james-clyburn-joe-biden-black-woman-vice-president.html (https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/08/01/james-clyburn-joe-biden-black-woman-vice-president.html)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/clyburn-says-more-important-to-have-black-woman-on-supreme-court-than-as-vp (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/clyburn-says-more-important-to-have-black-woman-on-supreme-court-than-as-vp)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/black-woman-not-must-biden-s-running-mate-clyburn-says-n1194926 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/black-woman-not-must-biden-s-running-mate-clyburn-says-n1194926)
Etc.

per the daily CNN podcast i occasionally listen to, clyburn will provide cover should biden go non-black in the veepstakes. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 02:04:57 pm
per the daily CNN podcast i occasionally listen to, clyburn will provide cover should biden go non-black in the veepstakes.
Clyburn is a giant in SC (and the south too)....but not sure ALL of black america is tuning into what he says

isn't the phrase, once you say you are going to go black, you can't go back??
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 02:14:53 pm
No way Clyburn carries even close to that weight


I mean there have been open letters published signed by hundreds of prominent blacks demanding a black person be chosen...


As DJT would say “It is what it is.”

I think Biden will win it regardless.... I can even see a rationale for Val Demings....He should just pick who he thinks will make best VP

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 02:49:17 pm
Biden has made his pick...announcement forthcoming



Developing....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 03:44:11 pm
It ain’t me
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 11, 2020, 03:46:03 pm
Guys, I just want to announce I have removed myself from consideration for the VP slot and advised Senator Biden he should choose a woman.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 11, 2020, 03:53:48 pm
per the daily CNN podcast i occasionally listen to, clyburn will provide cover should biden go non-black in the veepstakes.
Clyburn is a giant in SC (and the south too)....but not sure ALL of black america is tuning into what he says

isn't the phrase, once you say you are going to go black, you can't go back??

My aforementioned religious nut friend on Facebook (who is white and married to a much older black man) once told he the saying is actually "Once you go Black, you don't want to go back."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 11, 2020, 03:55:52 pm
Karen Bass has been told she is not the pick, supposedly.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 04:22:11 pm
Its Kamala!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on August 11, 2020, 04:24:43 pm
Its Kamala!

YESSSS!!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 04:31:00 pm
Its Kamala!
I think this is going to be good
She is a bulldog and will constantly be attacking/responding Team Trump so Joe can just ignore the twitter battle
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 04:32:04 pm
Agree


It’s a good choice
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 11, 2020, 04:33:07 pm
It’s definitely better than Rice. I guess if you were going to pick one of the big five AA names floated, go with her.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 04:37:13 pm
any bets on what bombshell the Trump campaign is going to release tonight
I'm sure they have been doing Ops on Harris for months
Or maybe they will just start killing protesters?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 11, 2020, 04:47:19 pm
any bets on what bombshell the Trump campaign is going to release tonight
I'm sure they have been doing Ops on Harris for months
Or maybe they will just start killing protesters?
Shes a WOC. They’ll just point at a picture and say “radical” and to his base that’s a bombshell.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 05:00:03 pm
Trumps nick-name is: Phony Kamala
weak

They are loving that she once kinda called joe a racist
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on August 11, 2020, 06:46:46 pm
My mom, who voted for Trump last go around, and is old, so you know how that mini story is going to turn out, with too many commas and too much questions of what could walkie's parents really be like, talked to me today about how much she really liked Biden's running mate and how it was a good choice, and a smart choice, and she is going to vote for Biden because she has had enough of Trump, and she knows that the majority of people who were hero-worshipping him from last go around such as her and her husband were, have had enough as well.

It was then, that I knew, Biden is winning.  Then, my mom reminded me, like good Moms do, that Trump is going to do everything he can to rig the election to win, like one of those dictators you read about on the news.  Her favorite saying, "like _____ that you read about on the news," and I was like thanks Mom . . . thanks for the fact that I should be worried now about Biden and an awesome running mate?

Plus, now for something completely different . ..  but is it me, or is YADa nowhere, to be found,
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 11, 2020, 07:10:51 pm
It’s definitely better than Rice.

I cannot stand Kamala, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it isn't Rice. I just cannot take that much Benghazi
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 07:18:57 pm
It’s definitely better than Rice.

I cannot stand Kamala, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it isn't Rice. I just cannot take that much Benghazi
Are you going to eat your blazer if Trump wins this time?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2020, 07:33:47 pm
Well I’m excited!!

She is ruthless, tough and whip smart

It’s actually surprising how by the book and predictable this has all been


After Hillary lost a Biden v Sanders face off was inevitable...establishment vs left wing...Kamala was the consensus pick for VP since she dropped out if not before....many people envisioned a Biden-Harris ticket before she dropped out

The next and most important part is Biden-Harris blowing away Trump....which I think is on course to happen


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 12, 2020, 08:54:57 am
It’s definitely better than Rice.

I cannot stand Kamala, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it isn't Rice. I just cannot take that much Benghazi
Are you going to eat your blazer if Trump wins this time?

Flee to Canada is more my style. I definitely don't feel like this one is in the bag.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2020, 09:22:41 am
It’s definitely better than Rice.

I cannot stand Kamala, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it isn't Rice. I just cannot take that much Benghazi
Are you going to eat your blazer if Trump wins this time?

Flee to Canada is more my style. I definitely don't feel like this one is in the bag.
'cept Canada isn't letting Americans cross the border now (https://www.cicnews.com/2020/08/what-you-need-to-know-when-coming-to-canada-from-the-u-s-0815262.html#gs.d8r1u8).  Ya might need to get a boat ;)
BTW...loving the book, thought you might catch the reference
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 12, 2020, 09:23:44 am
It’s definitely better than Rice.

I cannot stand Kamala, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it isn't Rice. I just cannot take that much Benghazi
Are you going to eat your blazer if Trump wins this time?

Flee to Canada is more my style. I definitely don't feel like this one is in the bag.
'cept Canada isn't letting Americans cross the border now (https://www.cicnews.com/2020/08/what-you-need-to-know-when-coming-to-canada-from-the-u-s-0815262.html#gs.d8r1u8).  Ya might need to get a boat ;)
BTW...loving the book, thought you might catch the reference

Unlike the US, Canada is still letting their citizens return home.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2020, 09:29:30 am
It’s definitely better than Rice.

I cannot stand Kamala, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it isn't Rice. I just cannot take that much Benghazi
Are you going to eat your blazer if Trump wins this time?

Flee to Canada is more my style. I definitely don't feel like this one is in the bag.
'cept Canada isn't letting Americans cross the border now (https://www.cicnews.com/2020/08/what-you-need-to-know-when-coming-to-canada-from-the-u-s-0815262.html#gs.d8r1u8).  Ya might need to get a boat ;)
BTW...loving the book, thought you might catch the reference

Unlike the US, Canada is still letting their citizens return home.
Oh...you are one of them...that changes everything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2020, 11:19:08 am
If this wasn't obvious before....Kanye West met with Jared Kushner last weekend in CO,

Would be interesting if Jared gets caught up in the Election fraud kanye has committed with the false sigs
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on August 12, 2020, 01:25:50 pm
I cannot stand Kamala, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it isn't Rice. I just cannot take that much Benghazi

It’s not so much that I can’t stand her, but she ran an awful campaign.  Went from contender to has-been overnight. That doesn’t inspire confidence.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: analogfossa on August 12, 2020, 01:54:37 pm
If this wasn't obvious before....Kanye West met with Jared Kushner last weekend in CO,

Would be interesting if Jared gets caught up in the Election fraud kanye has committed with the false sigs
I wish that turd would just drop his album for his fans and just shut the fuck up for a couple more years. He pulls this shit every time he's promoting something.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 12, 2020, 02:36:22 pm
She ran a fine campaign...but once Biden entered her time was up...its that simple...

People say she ran an awful campaign but rarely cite an example of anything she did that was terrible...if she had done something terrible she wouldn’t have been picked as VP...I can’t think of one serious misstep or grave error...

People always only look at the end result! So Trump ran a great campaign in 2016? It was a shitshow


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 12, 2020, 02:39:21 pm
Fucker Carlson is such an asshole...oh I am not sorry I mispronounced his name...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 12, 2020, 02:41:01 pm
She ran a fine campaign...but once Biden entered her time was up...its that simple...

People say she ran an awful campaign but rarely cite an example of anything she did that was terrible...if she had done something terrible she wouldn’t have been picked as VP...I can’t think of one serious misstep or grave error...

People always only look at the end result! So Trump ran a great campaign in 2016? It was a shitshow

You can be a good VP pick and a bad campaigner: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/us/politics/kamala-harris-2020.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 12, 2020, 02:50:25 pm
Who cares?


Move forward


I can look at any dem candidate except maybe Pete and say they ran a terrible campaign

Obviously Sanders ran the worst followed by Warren


Who cares? It’s the past
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 12, 2020, 02:51:55 pm
Who cares?


Move forward


I can look at any dem candidate except maybe Pete and say they ran a terrible campaign

Obviously Sanders ran the worst followed by Warren


Who cares? It’s the past

I'm not saying she's a bad pick, only giving you the criticisms that people made of her campaigning. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 12, 2020, 02:53:49 pm
Great


Anyways the first few days are the honeymoon period...everybody loved the Palin pick the first few days
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2020, 03:39:23 pm
I can look at any dem candidate except maybe Pete and say they ran a terrible campaign
I think Yang did a pretty good job making it to the final 5~
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 12, 2020, 03:47:14 pm

People always only look at the end result! So Trump ran a great campaign in 2016? It was a shitshow
I feel we have debated this a hundred times and you traditionally take the “well, the point of the campaign is to win. If you lost, you couldn’t have run that great of a campaign” angle.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2020, 03:55:45 pm
Who are all these Bus tweets for?
Do you think MAGA's care about money for Busses? 
Is this his way to get the poor/minority voter?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfPr-NqWkAAF6EO?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 12, 2020, 04:52:04 pm

People always only look at the end result! So Trump ran a great campaign in 2016? It was a shitshow
I feel we have debated this a hundred times and you traditionally take the “well, the point of the campaign is to win. If you lost, you couldn’t have run that great of a campaign” angle.


No way! We have debated this a million times and I always take the “Hillary ran a great campaign but can’t help it the American people are morons/Trump ran a shit campaign and won” angle
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 12, 2020, 05:38:20 pm

People always only look at the end result! So Trump ran a great campaign in 2016? It was a shitshow
I feel we have debated this a hundred times and you traditionally take the “well, the point of the campaign is to win. If you lost, you couldn’t have run that great of a campaign” angle.


No way! We have debated this a million times and I always take the “Hillary ran a great campaign but can’t help it the American people are morons/Trump ran a shit campaign and won” angle
Well, since GGW isn’t with us any longer, I have some searching to do tomorrow when I’m in front of a computer but know I am doing that Larry David look you in the eye thing until then.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 12, 2020, 06:09:08 pm
Oh shit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 12, 2020, 07:52:04 pm
Who are all these Bus tweets for?
Do you think MAGA's care about money for Busses? 
Is this his way to get the poor/minority voter?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfPr-NqWkAAF6EO?format=jpg&name=large)

more buses = trump doesn't haven't to go as far to find one he can throw those around him under.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 12, 2020, 07:58:25 pm
Who are all these Bus tweets for?
Do you think MAGA's care about money for Busses? 
Is this his way to get the poor/minority voter?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfPr-NqWkAAF6EO?format=jpg&name=large)

more buses = trump doesn't haven't to go as far to find one he can throw those around him under.
*golf clap*
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 13, 2020, 04:26:11 am
*golf clap*

honestly, i expected you to take me to task for my gawd awful sentence structure.  that shit was barely comprehensible.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 13, 2020, 10:26:17 am
So many people depend on the post office that I have to wonder if openly destroying it is a good campaign strategy?


Anybody that goes regularly to a post office branch will see many people shipping small numbers of packages...These are eBay, Amazon, etsy, discogs etc sellers...people either a part of gig economy or supplementing their full time job income... Republicans, Democrats, independents...does openly threatening the livelihood of these people - who depend on the USPS - make sense as a campaign strategy? What about people that buy online and now have to wait longer to get their purchases because Trump is trying to destroy the USPS? Are they going to be happy?

The USPS is a backbone of a sector of the economy...openly destroying it during a recession will only increase the economic pain for everyone..

Seems shortsighted to me..

Republicans don’t vote by mail? Haven’t been voting by mail for decades? This whole thing just makes Trump look desperate... and like a loser

I think this is going to blow up in Trump’s face
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 13, 2020, 10:38:58 am
well unless faux news covers the USPS issues, then the problem doesn't exist amirite
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on August 13, 2020, 10:41:35 am
You can be a good VP pick and a bad campaigner: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/us/politics/kamala-harris-2020.html

Missed out on the banter yesterday and was about to post the same article.  Her fall from grace seemed a bit longer and faster than that of her rivals to me.

Anyhoo, I agree with Hutch in that it's time to focus on the here-and-now. Getting Trump out of office is all I care about.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 13, 2020, 10:46:41 am
But that’s my point precisely..not even Fox News can paper over fact some Republican in Topeka breathlessly waiting on her new custom vibrator handmade by Long John Industries (a one person labor of love ran by Jennie Poker in Schenectady to supplement her husband’s income) won’t have it for the big weekend sex party because USPS is being openly fucked with... Screwing the USPS screws everyone on a personal level that no lies or hate for libtards can rationalize...


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 13, 2020, 11:17:38 am
my thinking unless some faux news personality is banging on about this, there is a segment of our populations who will refuse to believe it's a problem, even if that special order is delayed... it's only a matter of time for it to be declared fake news, being published by the enemy of the people...  (yikes) and boy will i be glad when twitter goes back to being all sun shiny and over the hill 90s brit bands...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 13, 2020, 12:03:47 pm
I saw something on social media that you should call your Trump loving Grandparent or Aunt/Uncle and ask if they got the card you sent them and when they say no, say, "I'm sure it'll be there in a few days." Never send a card. A week later call back and ask if they got it again and when they say no say, "Oh, that's sad. I heard on Fox News Trump is pulling funding from the Postal Service and they're having a real hard time delivering all the mail now. I'm sure you'll get it soon."

And this whole issue will be resolved within a month.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 13, 2020, 01:09:11 pm
I saw something on social media that you should call your Trump loving Grandparent or Aunt/Uncle and ask if they got the card you sent them and when they say no, say, "I'm sure it'll be there in a few days." Never send a card. A week later call back and ask if they got it again and when they say no say, "Oh, that's sad. I heard on Fox News Trump is pulling funding from the Postal Service and they're having a real hard time delivering all the mail now. I'm sure you'll get it soon."

And this whole issue will be resolved within a month.
wow, That is genius!
too bad my parents are hardcore lefties (right handed tho) and won't work on them
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 13, 2020, 01:20:21 pm
I saw something on social media that you should call your Trump loving Grandparent or Aunt/Uncle and ask if they got the card you sent them and when they say no, say, "I'm sure it'll be there in a few days." Never send a card. A week later call back and ask if they got it again and when they say no say, "Oh, that's sad. I heard on Fox News Trump is pulling funding from the Postal Service and they're having a real hard time delivering all the mail now. I'm sure you'll get it soon."

And this whole issue will be resolved within a month.

stealing this.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 13, 2020, 05:28:42 pm
jebus...not even a vote  on a relief bill

McConnell adjourns the Senate for August, save for pro forma sessions.
Next regular session scheduled for *Sept. 8* — 26 days from today.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 14, 2020, 09:05:53 am
no need to worry gang.. Susan Collins is "concerned" about USPS.. should be solved when she gets voted out...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 15, 2020, 02:55:42 pm
80
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 16, 2020, 04:23:39 pm
good, glad they are coming back to deal with this

Democrats call postmaster general to testify at "urgent" hearing next week (https://www.axios.com/postmaster-general-testify-usps-d5f02eb8-d7d4-49d4-8dcf-6ae00ab028d1.html)

Trump defended Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, a former RNC fundraising official: "He wants to make the post office great again."

ya know because he did just a great job with america
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 16, 2020, 04:26:42 pm
Ok I get it but he will just lie and Republicans will just lie and nothing will get done about any of it


I mean these hearings don’t do anything


It’s just a political move..not saying they shouldn’t do it (to highlight issue) but..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 16, 2020, 04:36:21 pm
well I agree it won't 'do' anything
but I do think they have to act and show they are trying to protect American institutions
I think that this will have an impact on a sliver of the voters and we only need a few slivers here and there
just keep piling on the indictments and congress testimonies...it doesn't look good before an election

I can't believe either house took a break in the middle of all the insanity going on now.
could you imagine a bunch of generals being like 'hey we had break scheduled, this war can wait'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 16, 2020, 04:41:18 pm
To me “acting” is accomplishing something...

I guess I remain open to being surprised but I doubt any of this will accomplish anything


Our government doesn’t work when a party representing about half the people is traitorous

I kind of think parliamentary democracy as in the U.K. is a better approach..and I been thinking along these lines for years... our “republic” is totally fucked up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 16, 2020, 06:11:41 pm
... our “republic” is totally fucked up
Yeah, the way the republicans can game the system is insane.  They will deny it, but they have a crazy built-in advantage and they act like the majority of Americans support their actions. But between the advantage, they have in congress due to all the power these rural states have and the efficiency of their voter suppression (which they are kicking into hyperdrive.) they win by just getting 25% of eligible voters
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2020, 09:13:39 am
I just noticed Harris has the slot right before Joe in the Dem Convention on the last night  (although the VP will be speaking on Wed

Yang and Beto got the Heisman
The Yang got an invite in the end and opens for Biden on the last night!

Leon Bridges is opening for Bernie tonight

Day 3 --get there early for the opening acts
Warren -> Billie Eilish?! -> Pelosi -> Hilliary ....-> Jennifer Hudson -> Harris -> Obama


Not sure what these preshow things are...but I'm seriously underwhelemed....who are these for

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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2020, 10:10:08 am
I know we shouldn't get excited about this stuff....but CookPR!

 Cook Political Report just shifted the senate race between Lindsey Graham and Jaime Harrison again in favor of Jaime Harrison!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 17, 2020, 10:31:24 am
Cook Political Report just shifted the senate race between Lindsey Graham and Jaime Harrison again in favor of Jaime Harrison![/i]
Not. Happening.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2020, 10:35:23 am
Hey Virginians...32 days!
In-person absentee voting for the November 3 Presidential Election begins on Friday,  September 18
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2020, 12:43:39 pm
To me “acting” is accomplishing something...
act 1
https://www.axios.com/pelosi-house-postal-service-bbce98bd-6fe5-4640-995d-6061d4767940.html
The House of Representatives will be called back from August recess on Saturday to consider legislation related to the U.S. Postal Service, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) confirmed on Monday.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 17, 2020, 12:52:06 pm
You need to listen to that song I’m just a Bill!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2020, 02:06:12 pm
To me “acting” is accomplishing something...
act 1
https://www.axios.com/pelosi-house-postal-service-bbce98bd-6fe5-4640-995d-6061d4767940.html
The House of Representatives will be called back from August recess on Saturday to consider legislation related to the U.S. Postal Service, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) confirmed on Monday.
The Postmaster General has agreed to testify at the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Monday, August 24th
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 17, 2020, 08:18:15 pm
Cook Political Report just shifted the senate race between Lindsey Graham and Jaime Harrison again in favor of Jaime Harrison![/i]
Not. Happening.



Sidehatch your post is a bit misleading


They shifted it from likely Republican to lean Republican


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2020, 10:20:55 am
Trump is pulling out all the stops...some weird stuff coming out

President Trump announced that he would sign a full and complete pardon for women's suffrage leader Susan B. Anthony, who was arrested for illegally voting in 1872.

And this was bizare after the actions in the last week
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/17/22/32064058-8635553-image-a-9_1597701271302.jpg)

Also trolling the DNC during the convention...just weak sauce

Cook Political Report just shifted the senate race between Lindsey Graham and Jaime Harrison again in favor of Jaime Harrison![/i]
Not. Happening.
Sidehatch your post is a bit misleading
They shifted it from likely Republican to lean Republican
You are correct, sorry for that.  Do I get canceled now?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 18, 2020, 10:35:32 am
yeah pointing out the pre-recorded speeches have inaccurate covid numbers seems a bit misguided... but he is a stable genius
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 18, 2020, 11:30:26 am
fairly certain that the very stable genius had little to nothing do with the pardoning of Suzie B.  given today marks the passing of the 19th amendment 70 years ago... probably a symbolic  moment thought up by much more genius like individuals..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2020, 12:30:10 pm
Nice...we're getting Drop Boxes in VA
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/northam-to-propose-steps-making-absentee-voting-easier-including-ballot-drop-off-boxes/2020/08/17/eb102c04-e0ac-11ea-8181-606e603bb1c4_story.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2020, 12:36:51 pm
Not only are they going to have Scott Baio and Tim Allen again...they are going to have these speakers

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfrPK0QWsAAf5D-?format=jpg&name=large)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfrPMtbWkAEXnoW?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 18, 2020, 01:38:21 pm
Garbage
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 18, 2020, 04:27:33 pm
Garbage
With that whole androgyny album, seems a little progressive for the GOP convention but Butch Vig does have pull in Wisconsin. Interesting gamble.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2020, 10:53:46 pm
That was one weird roll call/nomination

Line of the night:
The calamari comeback state

Tearjerker:
Ady
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2020, 08:19:42 am
(https://i.imgur.com/RxNv2Lx.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2020, 08:46:21 am
This is great, I hope every NHL/NBA/MLS/NFL stadiums do this

Golden State Warriors, Indiana Pacers, LA Clippers, Milwaukee Bucks, Pittsburgh Steelers, Boston Red Sox, New Jersey Devils & Washington Capitals all offering their arenas/stadiums as voting super centers for Nov.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/18/sports-teams-empty-arenas-voting-397744
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2020, 11:20:00 am
30 days until you can early vote for Biden in Virginia!
these 4 years have been like an eternity, god I hope this doesn't get screwed up

goodyear tires...goodness this guy can't stop.  Must suck to own a company under this president
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2020, 12:08:57 pm


goodyear tires...goodness this guy can't stop.  Must suck to own a company under this president

surely that has  to be... oh nevermind...

back to listening to Imperial Bedroom
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2020, 12:40:02 pm
who didn't see this one coming  ::)

Darryl Forges
@Darryl_Forges

The puncture resistant tires on the presidential limo are Goodyear’s...

https://twitter.com/Darryl_Forges/status/1296101594510098437?s=20

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 19, 2020, 02:02:54 pm
Trump Brags COVID Is God Testing His Greatness (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-brags-covid-is-god-testing-his-greatness/vi-BB184ssZ)
“Did I do a great job, God? I'm the only one that could do it.” President Donald Trump boasts how the economic impact of the pandemic is God testing his abilities.

'A true narcissist': Donald Trump’s 'bizarre' tribute for dead brother (https://au.news.yahoo.com/no-jealousy-trumps-stunning-tribute-for-dead-brother-060444846.html)
The US president has shared his feelings about the loss of his younger brother who passed away on the weekend, calling into US network Fox News to reminisce about his sibling.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 19, 2020, 02:33:14 pm
Vincente Fox is trolling the don pretty damn hard
https://twitter.com/CitizensFedUp/status/1205561028018397185?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2020, 02:50:28 pm
still love this from that female governor from Michigan

"It's not just Shark Week, it's Shark Week, mother ******,"

Whitmer's Shark Week hot mic moment memorialized by Michigan companies with matching merch

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/08/18/whitmers-shark-week-merchandise-candle-shirt
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 19, 2020, 05:52:42 pm
Vincente Fox is trolling the don pretty damn hard
https://twitter.com/CitizensFedUp/status/1205561028018397185?s=20

jesus h on a pogo stick, that's some Grade A trollin'.  bravo.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 19, 2020, 05:55:21 pm
still love this from that female governor from Michigan

"It's not just Shark Week, it's Shark Week, mother ******,"

Whitmer's Shark Week hot mic moment memorialized by Michigan companies with matching merch

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/08/18/whitmers-shark-week-merchandise-candle-shirt

corrected link: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/08/18/whitmers-shark-week-merchandise-candle-shirt/5601687002/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 19, 2020, 06:10:13 pm
Lots and lots and lots of Trump signs up here in Maine. Very few Biden signs. I think Fatso has Maine in the bag
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 19, 2020, 06:23:27 pm
Going by yard signs is stupid man

Don’t you know anything!?!


Anyways I believe Maine has a weird system with two different districts and a statewide vote

Biden is going to crush it in one..like it’s not even up for debate


And the other is tight


I don’t know how people live not knowing anything

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Maine#:~:text=Maine%20voters%20will%20choose%20electors%20to%20represent%20them,vote%2C%20and%20one%20vote%20for%20each%20congressional%20district.


So Biden is guaranteed 3 out of 4 electors regardless of yard signs



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 20, 2020, 01:20:06 am
The reality is that if you drive anywhere outside of cities you will most likely see way way more signs for Republicans... I mean think about VA outside of NOVA, Richmond and a few cities..


I remember in 2004 driving through bumfuck Wisconsin a couple of months before election and it was all Bush signs...Kerry won Wisconsin that year

You just can’t go by signs

Of course now that I think of it maybe you were simply being facetious..at least I hope so


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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 20, 2020, 05:37:58 am
Just how awesome is Elizabeth Warren..

A list of the surprises in her DNC set

https://twitter.com/teamwarren/status/1296282138610991105?s=21

The BLM has already set off Faux News
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2020, 10:46:51 am
Man...I almost don't even care what is in it.  I just like the idea of making him have to do it
Trump must provide his tax returns to the Manhattan district attorney, a federal judge ruled again, rejecting the president’s arguments.

would be nice if it happens before 11.3
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2020, 12:44:53 pm
2020 in a photo
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef2yYFKWAAADtiE?format=jpg&name=large)
- by @noahberger3884  in California
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 21, 2020, 12:11:33 pm
No props for Joe?

I expect to see some crow eating from the loony leftists that told us he was senile...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 21, 2020, 12:54:55 pm
I expect to see some crow eating from the loony leftists that told us he was senile...
crow eating, not their style.
Bernie is going out of his way to show his support, so it's kind of funny to see these Berners still go nuts and Anti-biden
Saw one start dropping Tara Reed again

I was watching on PBS and they kept talking over things as there were Zero breaks, talk about controlling the message

They used to be able to have commentary while waiting for the next speaker, now you get 2 seconds

I am legit terrified for the GOP one, it is going to be HATEFEST 2020 with no laugh track
Trump needs the feedback from the crowd, they for sure are going to have a few thousand people where ever he speaks from so he can hear the cheers and chants
I hear he is going to speak every night and I'm certian that every single speaker will kiss his ass with such dertermination they will be french kissing his splean
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 21, 2020, 01:10:21 pm
No props for Joe?

I expect to see some crow eating from the loony leftists that told us he was senile...
 
joe was fine.  he didn't mess up.  the bar was low, and he cleared it.  he came across as a decent human being and a competent and inclusive leader.  in normal times he'd be a snoozefest and we'd be complaining non-stop, but given the current shit-show in the oval office he's manna from heaven. biden/harris 2020 4 lyfe, get out the vote, stop the insanity.

it's the other speakers that tweaked my enthusiasm.  michelle, barack, kamala, elizabeth, the boy with the stutter... those are the speeches we're talking about the morning after.  but joe?  he was fine. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 21, 2020, 01:26:53 pm
I think the bar was low for Joe I agree and he cleared it by a mile   (I can not tell a lie, I did fall asleep mid speach...I go to bed by 11 now)

Was nice seeing Virginian Legsistlator and Trans woman Danica Roem do one of the early shout outs!
I really look forward to seeing more of those other speakers in his Administration!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 21, 2020, 01:38:02 pm
The theme from "Charles in Charge" -- a perennial hit with the avocado-toast-and-craft-beer set -- will serve as the unofficial anthem of the upcoming Republican convention.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 21, 2020, 01:59:09 pm
LOL @ "the avocado-toast-and-craft-beer set"

also LOL @ the choice of theme music for the RNC
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 21, 2020, 02:23:20 pm
No props for Joe?

I expect to see some crow eating from the loony leftists that told us he was senile...
 
joe was fine.  he didn't mess up.  the bar was low, and he cleared it.  he came across as a decent human being and a competent and inclusive leader.  in normal times he'd be a snoozefest and we'd be complaining non-stop, but given the current shit-show in the oval office he's manna from heaven. biden/harris 2020 4 lyfe, get out the vote, stop the insanity.

it's the other speakers that tweaked my enthusiasm.  michelle, barack, kamala, elizabeth, the boy with the stutter... those are the speeches we're talking about the morning after.  but joe?  he was fine.
I thought the second half of his speech was legitimately very good, regardless of where the bar was in people's minds.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 21, 2020, 06:18:21 pm
I thought the second half of his speech was legitimately very good, regardless of where the bar was in people's minds.

i must admit that i listened to the first 5 minutes attentively.  after i determined he was doing fine, i partially tuned out.  by the time joe hit his stride in the second half i was multitasking and not giving him his due.  sry.

i wasn't overwhelmed, and i wasn't underwhelmed.  i i guess i was just whelmed. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 21, 2020, 06:24:27 pm

i wasn't overwhelmed, and i wasn't underwhelmed.  i i guess i was just whelmed.
That's funny...although were you watching PBS on wednesday night?
I think it was after Joe was given the nom and gave a short speach
David Brooks was asked what he thought about it and he said " it was good, but I'm underwhelmed"
I can remember the next commentator's name, but he said: i wasn't overwhelmed, and i wasn't underwhelmed.  i am just whelmed.
I was cracking up...maybe that wasn't that original...but had me bawling
(I was drinking every time someone said trump...so was pretty drunk ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on August 21, 2020, 06:44:43 pm
 Any idiot can read off a teleprompter, right?  Right?  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=-29I6Ia8Xmc&feature=emb_logo)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 21, 2020, 06:59:43 pm

i wasn't overwhelmed, and i wasn't underwhelmed.  i i guess i was just whelmed.
That's funny...although were you watching PBS on wednesday night?
I think it was after Joe was given the nom and gave a short speach
David Brooks was asked what he thought about it and he said " it was good, but I'm underwhelmed"
I can remember the next commentator's name, but he said: i wasn't overwhelmed, and i wasn't underwhelmed.  i am just whelmed.

i swear to shiva, i wasn't watching NPR and i didn't hear that comment.  but really, it's pretty predictable... although when i wrote that it was the first time it occurred to me that if there is an over- and an under-, then there must be a non-prefix version.  and there is, i looked it up.  (https://www.google.com/search?q=whelmed)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2020, 01:00:12 am
So Biden has raised at least $118 million over about a week....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/21/politics/joe-biden-dnc-fundraising-viewership/index.html

We know the deal..if he wins (And takes power...)  people will say he ran a good campaign and if not they will retroactively say he ran a terrible campaign no matter if he walked on water

But I think so far so good...an easier less divisive primary process than expected and so far the general is shaping up well...no major issues
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 22, 2020, 09:39:15 am
This is the most unusual campaign cycle in our lifetimes++ because of COVID. Biden seems to be running the political equivalent of that football play where you hand it off to the running back who goes up the middle for one yard and pretty much intentionally falls down so as not to lose the ball and keep the clock running. He isn’t actively campaigning. He has no stated intention to step foot in any swing states at this point. He seems very happy to just literally go, “so you wanna just do the vote tomorrow.”

Which, honestly, is pretty smart looking at this point. And I do maintain he actually killed that speech the other night.

If he doesn’t spit up all over himself in debates, he’s looking pretty good. But he needs to remember what Hillary didn’t - “Trump is a shitbag” isn’t a platform. White people in the Midwest have real economic issues (despite their privilege) and he has to tell them what he will do for them. You can also say what you’re going to do for immigrants, and people who want to use a restroom that does not align with the gender they were assigned at birth, and POC who have bad run ins with criminal justice but do not ever stop talking about the income gap and how white working families are going to have better under Biden/Harris. See if a handler off stage can rig an Apple Watch to buzz if he spends three consecutive minutes without mentioning it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on August 22, 2020, 10:00:47 am
I don't think the management of his campaign will make or break him at this point. Joe either continues to perform well....or he doesn't. They simply need to keep him in the public eye and play it safe. Let Kamala do some of the heavy lifting.

I don't know whether a debate is in the cards. That might not play to Joe's strengths and could be a defining moment people point the finger at if things go south.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 24, 2020, 12:55:25 pm
Seems like important

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-abcs-david-muir-raising-taxes-taxes-making/story?id=72554803
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 24, 2020, 01:42:40 pm
ouch... Tennessee Rep. Jim Cooper Asks DeJoy "is your back up plan is to be pardoned By Trump?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 24, 2020, 01:45:00 pm
Seems like important

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-abcs-david-muir-raising-taxes-taxes-making/story?id=72554803
Agreed...should be shouting this from the mountain tops
“I will raise taxes for anybody making over $400,000,” Biden told Muir, adding, “no new taxes” would be raised for anyone making under $400,000.


Although the risk is 'no new taxes' ...remove the Trump/GOP tax cut and you will raise taxes on the $75-399K crowd
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on August 24, 2020, 06:18:01 pm
Tax churches. Problem solved.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 24, 2020, 06:19:13 pm
While I agree in taxing churches not sure it wouldn’t create other problems
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on August 24, 2020, 09:30:14 pm
Such as?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 25, 2020, 12:26:41 pm
@realDonaldTrump
For our Country to be sending 80 million UNSOLICITED BALLOTS is very unfair and a roadmap to disaster.


Can someone explain to me how this is unfair?  And isn't something only unfair, how can it be very?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 25, 2020, 03:20:07 pm
Oh no!!!

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2020-08-25/first-night-of-republican-convention-audience-down-from-2016
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 25, 2020, 04:39:25 pm
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 25, 2020, 04:48:48 pm
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24 days to Sept 18th where you can vote early in VA (or drop off your absentte ballot)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 25, 2020, 05:15:50 pm
People are trying to convince me voting early is a bad thing because your vote might be counted late late night or next day and if initial results are pro Trump and then flip Chump will blame fraud etc
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 25, 2020, 05:21:22 pm
Have not heard that and is not going to impact my decision
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 25, 2020, 05:26:02 pm
If I was advising Biden right NOW I would be telling him to spend early money in PA, MI, FL, GA and AZ running ads depicting Trump’s pathetic response to Covid...these are some of the harder hit states per capita on Covid and also swing states or potentially swing in case of GA..

In the case of GA and AZ there are also senate races that could result in net pickups
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 25, 2020, 05:54:43 pm
Man that hostage bit was really unnerving in the White House at the RNC
It was almost an onion bit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 25, 2020, 05:57:10 pm
Well think about it what if tons of democrats vote early by mail and Republicans vote in person


Wouldn’t the initial results favor Trump in FL, VA, PA, MI etc?


It would be like FLorida 2000 on steroids with democrats coming back really late or a day or two after...prime for Trump to challenge

I think even Michelle said something about how people that could should vote in person


I told my friend that put this theory out there that he was nuts and should just be happy if people vote...but it’s kind of nagging at me
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 25, 2020, 06:20:47 pm
I think definitely people who can vote in person should. Vote early if your state allows. Mail in as a last resort for many reasons.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 25, 2020, 06:41:17 pm
It would be like Florida 2000 on steroids w
So since the mid 2000s there has been a huge push (by the GOP no less) for mail in voting
Mail-in ballots are ingrained in Florida elections, accounting for roughly a third of the 8 million votes cast in the last two cycles,

meaning they are already used to it and only expect it to nearly double because of covid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 25, 2020, 06:41:56 pm
I think definitely people who can vote in person should. Vote early if your state allows. Mail in as a last resort for many reasons.
or drop off your mail in vote at an early voting center!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 25, 2020, 06:53:36 pm
When are they going to count your mail in vote?

If tons of people vote by mail and they can only start counting at voting close they may be overwhelmed..will they have way extra voting infrastructure for this election? I doubt it


If it’s close do you wAnt a situation like CA where millions of votes were being counted a week after?

Think of the optics...everyone on the east coast goes to bed and Trump is leading in FL, VA, PA, MI

The next day it starts narrowing..what do you think Trump does? He latches on to the I won but they stole it with voter fraud so I ain’t giving up the presidency

We already have issues with optics cause the rural areas report first...in FL Dade, Broward -the dem strong points- always report late...in VA Richmond always reports late etc...and I am talking here about them reporting in person voting results late..add to that late reporting of unusually high volume mail in voting and the optics could be terrible
This is definitely a “thing”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 25, 2020, 10:02:50 pm
1.4 million mail in ballot requests in Pennsylvania


68% Democrats
26% Republicans


Let’s think about the implications...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2020, 05:41:34 pm
Drug tests before debates!  Didn't even know he did the same thing in 2016
crazy times
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 26, 2020, 06:42:17 pm
Who had NBA strike on their 2020 bingo card...

And what’s going on in Kenosha is a national fucking disgrace... that police chief needs to fired, but sure as shit he’ll be spouting off on faux news soon enough

And I guarantee the kid that crossed state lines will soon be described as a misguided lone wolf, etc etc etc and he may or may not have been front row at a rally sorry that should be hate fest

Oh I’m off to post a picture of a Cake Box what was seen in Scotland
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2020, 10:22:40 am
VA, NJ, VT, MN, WY, SD, IL and MI all start early voting between 9/18-24. 

While I like it, almost seems too early. 
What if Q drops the dime on the Biden baby farms being run by Hunter in October

https://www.vox.com/2020-presidential-election/2020/8/27/21369269/vote-early-guide-mail-postal-service-ballots
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 27, 2020, 10:32:27 am
Normally early voting by mail would be great..even preferable but these are not normal times


Couldn’t help but notice Sidehatch that you ignored my last two posts on this subject from August 25th
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2020, 10:47:48 am
Couldn’t help but notice Sidehatch that you ignored my last two posts on this subject from August 25th
If I had a dollar for all the posts that were ignored ;)

I don't want to even promote the reasoning you propose.

Also, early voting is IN PERSON voting...you can also drop your mail-in ballot too
I don't know how states tabulate the early in-person voting, but I got to assume they don't wait until Nov 4th to do that

I think people should get out and vote, hopefully, ways that can be tracked too
If we have to wait, sobeit
We didn't know Bush v Gore until Dec 12th

will they have way extra voting infrastructure for this election?
This is on the states and I hope they figure this out.  Seems like they have not been making plans tho...

Trump is going to say voter fraud even if he wins, I'm really not sure what we can do about this
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 27, 2020, 10:54:54 am
Sounds like you just want to be an ostrich
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 27, 2020, 11:08:55 am
Sounds like you just want to be an ostrich
So encouraging people to vote early is being an ostrich?
I don't discount what you are saying, but unless you are offering solutions...

I guess your solution is that Democrats give up on this mail-in thing and go to the polls in droves on Nov 3rd
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on August 27, 2020, 12:01:57 pm
People that can vote in person should do so... it’s not that complicated!

Encouraging people to vote early by mail makes sense in some cases but you have bought into it lock  stock and barrel circumstances be damned


I mean I think you have too much faith in the system...if Trump has proven anything it’s that there is a first time for anything and giving him any opening to make a case for not relinquishing power seems kind of naive


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 27, 2020, 10:38:27 pm
Masks were handed out to everyone at the White House tonight yet almost no one is wearing one. What is wrong with these idiots?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 28, 2020, 01:42:28 pm
The NBA just announced that all basketball arenas will he turned into 2020 voting locations.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2020, 02:22:45 pm
welp, that glimmer of hope that Trump's taxes would be revealed  before the election is starting to fade

queue Hutch response "dude you knew we were never going to see them"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 01, 2020, 02:30:00 pm
Do I post this on the Twitter thread or just leave it here. Nuts.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1300620008364609539
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2020, 02:30:57 pm
so is "thugs" in a plane the sequel to Snakes on a plane?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 01, 2020, 02:43:59 pm
just another day in crazytown for him... how a discredited story on  Facebook from June reaches him makes the mind boggle..  it went six people from Seattle got off a plane in Boise  apparently with the intent of doing anti-facism, etc in that town... and then the story spread fast and wide enough that the local sheriff had to dismiss it... so yeah the "leader" of the free world gets his information like one's crazy relatives
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2020, 04:42:58 pm
imma gonna say WTAF
this will just be more fodder for there argument that the libs want to erase history

D.C. committee recommends stripping the names of Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Francis Scott Key and others from city government buildings (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/09/01/dc-building-school-renaming/)
it is a committee, so will likely not happen

includes Washington Monument
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 01, 2020, 07:05:37 pm
just another day in crazytown for him... how a discredited story on  Facebook from June reaches him makes the mind boggle..  it went six people from Seattle got off a plane in Boise  apparently with the intent of doing anti-facism, etc in that town... and then the story spread fast and wide enough that the local sheriff had to dismiss it... so yeah the "leader" of the free world gets his information like one's crazy relatives

It's bizarre how thefacebook.com has morphed from a Ivy League hook-up site to a rightwing conspiracy clearinghouse, and all without really changing its basic functionality.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 01, 2020, 07:17:41 pm
Life, uh, finds a way.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 02, 2020, 01:18:24 am
so team trump gets a lot of kudos for their online strategy.  they have an app that allows them direct access to their followers, they have advanced analytics, massive email lists, etc. etc. etc. 

you know what they don't have?

https://keepamericagreat.com/ (https://keepamericagreat.com/)

someone in the trump camp forgot to hit up godaddy....


scroll to the very bottom.  trolling level: EXPERT.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 02, 2020, 12:31:09 pm
this is the kind of shit that really gets me down

Norman Ornstein@NormOrnstein
By 2040, 50% of Americans will live in 8 states. The distortions of the Electoral College will get worse, and the chances that a presidential winner will lose the popular vote by a lot will go up. We need to enlarge the House by 100 or more, just to start, to alter the balance.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 02, 2020, 01:59:16 pm
The electoral college must be fixed, ended, exited, edited, replaced or something



I don’t think $ wins elections but it doesn’t hurt... this is good...

$365 million is an obscene amount of $

https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-august-fundraising-2214d49b-bf97-468f-abc3-9e1a843b5d23.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2020, 02:16:12 pm
Facebook to ban new political ads in week before presidential election (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/facebook-to-ban-political-ads-in-week-before-presidential-election.html)

Lots of holes in this and probably won't really do anything
doesn't stop misinformation from individual sources
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2020, 02:25:54 pm
Oh Jez, I can't believe how many states he actually got on the ballot

@kanyewest has filed a motion to intervene in the challenge over his Virginia ballot effort.


Whoa, I didn't realize he actually got on in Virginia, this is fighting to get him off!
he qualified for presidential ballot access (11 states): 83 electoral votes – Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 03, 2020, 02:40:44 pm
That’s a relief


None of those will he make a difference


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 03, 2020, 02:44:34 pm
That’s a relief


None of those will he make a difference
People need to stop assuming Minnesota is a lock.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 03, 2020, 02:50:49 pm
I say it’s a lock....and if Biden doesn’t win Minnesota no way is he being elected president so it’s a moot point


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 03, 2020, 03:43:34 pm
if Biden doesn’t win Minnesota no way is he being elected president so it’s a moot point
That is true.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 03, 2020, 04:48:35 pm
That’s a relief

None of those will he make a difference

i was thinking the same thing, that maybe only VA, MN and CO could be affected by kanye or other third party candidates... then i took a look at state polling (https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/).  kinda mind-blowing that AR and IA are in play.  the GOP needs to chip away at any support biden has in those states to keep those in the bag.  kanye could prove himself to be a useful fool.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 03, 2020, 05:31:35 pm
You mean AZ?

AZ is the biggest pickup opportunity for Biden outside of reclaiming PA, MI and WI....


I think Iowa is not probable unfortunately and I think Ernst who is a traitor I despise will get re-elected...she is horrible...How many people in Iowa will vote for Kanye? 10

If you mean Arkansas there is no way Biden is even competing there


Kanye would have been more of a threat in PA, WI, MI and FL

If he is not on the ballot in those states we should be grateful... let’s not be so scared we are freaking about the Kanye vote in Des Moines!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 03, 2020, 06:36:59 pm
You mean AZ?

AZ is the biggest pickup opportunity for Biden outside of reclaiming PA, MI and WI....
 
nope, i wasn't talking about AZ.  i was only referenceing the states in the original Kanye post.  but agreed that AZ is the biggest prize out there.

If you mean Arkansas there is no way Biden is even competing there
 
https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/arkansas/ (https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/arkansas/) - it's 2 months old, but within the margin of error.

I think Iowa is not probable unfortunately and I think Ernst who is a traitor I despise will get re-elected...she is horrible...How many people in Iowa will vote for Kanye? 10

let’s not be so scared we are freaking about the Kanye vote in Des Moines!

https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/iowa/ (https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/iowa/) - look how close those numbers are, within the margin of error.  it's competitive.

latest figure i could find was for 2018, where 4% of the population of IA was black.  biden's going to need all of those if he's going to pull an upset.  if kanye can peel off some of those, trump will be happy.  i'm certainly not saying the dems should be investing in IA, but it's not out of the realm of possibility - which, like you, i has assumed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 03, 2020, 07:41:06 pm
IA


I don’t think it’s outside realm of possibility but it’s pushing it


I would focus on NC before IA


In fact I already wrote the states I would invest big time in Including

FL
AZ
of course PA, MI, WI
NV

Even NC and GA are ahead of IA in my calculus....

I particularly like the idea of investing in potentially flippable states with high covid numbers...Iowa just hasn’t been affected much - comparatively-by covid...and it’s very WHITE

Kanye is a joke candidate and I don’t see him getting significant determinative votes anywhere... the fact he isn’t in key states like FL is huge


But that’s just my own opinion!! We should have some election betting game

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2020, 08:06:45 pm
GA... money should be thrown there.  On the edge and voter suppression is real.

Early and mail in voting is going to be unreal
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 04, 2020, 12:27:58 am
yeay:

Judges keep Kanye West off Arizona and Virginia ballots
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/politics/2020-election-kanye-west-virginia-ballot/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 04, 2020, 09:07:30 am
60 days to go


Buckle up it’s going to be a bumpy ride
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 04, 2020, 10:03:14 am
I'm voting on Sept 18th!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 04, 2020, 10:07:46 am
These, two, October surprises, in September . . . should be a sign of what's to come.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 04, 2020, 02:45:24 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 04, 2020, 04:30:17 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7)

neither the image you posted (https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg) = 504 Gateway Time-out), nor the destination link (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7 (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7) = partial load of a broken page) seem to be working... so your post looks blank to me.  are others able to see hutch's image? 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 04, 2020, 05:06:28 pm
Girl, I expect to see a lot of that where I'm going. Where I'm going, the local sheriffs don't even enforce the state mandates if restaurant workers or people that work in businesses aren't wearing masks. Nobody gives a fuck where I'm going.

 It ought to be an interesting vacation. I have needed to get away so bad from my job that I'm taking the chance . . . but it really is going to be a completely different tourist experience than normal years.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 04, 2020, 06:00:05 pm
Well you are lucky 🍀 f you can’t see that picture
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 04, 2020, 07:41:24 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7)

neither the image you posted (https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg) = 504 Gateway Time-out), nor the destination link (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7 (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7) = partial load of a broken page) seem to be working... so your post looks blank to me.  are others able to see hutch's image?
As seems to often be the case, only you can’t see the picture. 😂
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 04, 2020, 08:44:59 pm

neither the image you posted (https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/2SdLVdP/B4-FA6-DD4-0-D11-4-D8-B-A1-BB-7667-F5-C8-C1-F5.jpg) = 504 Gateway Time-out), nor the destination link (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7 (https://ibb.co/KDWQ4W7) = partial load of a broken page) seem to be working... so your post looks blank to me.  are others able to see hutch's image?
TL/DR : sweets is a nerd
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 04, 2020, 08:53:40 pm
I was unable to see the picture on my work laptop but can see it on my home laptop.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 05, 2020, 03:01:04 pm
These fucks had three giant Trump flags on the beach


Who the fuck makes political statements at a beach? Never seen that in nearly 50 years of beach going


The whole try to understand Trump voters and reach out to them approach is misguided


They will only understand strength, force and power


They must be quashed like vermin or trust me they will crush us... that’s their whole thing...triggering us...giving us a big middle finger on the beach

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 06, 2020, 05:54:42 pm
So here I am.  Looking out over the water and the sand, from this house deck in paradise.  And there it is.  The Trump Flag planted firmly, planted proudly . . . gurrrl, are they playing cornhole too?

Good for them.  I like that people have the right in this country to express their political beliefs, even if another person disagrees with it.  And everyone is wearing masks here, and not being jerks about it.  Cool.  Good for us, as human beings.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 06, 2020, 06:05:32 pm
Oh really? I will keep that in mind the next time you are whining about someone making anti gay statements...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 06, 2020, 09:24:10 pm
Political beliefs, and human rights are two totally different things.  One, is make believe.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 06, 2020, 09:32:47 pm
.

I really don’t know what you’re saying but am tired


Trump stands for hate, racism, sexism


If you can’t see that I kind of feel sorry for you.

It’s not just a “political” thing...



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on September 07, 2020, 10:44:18 am
Plenty of Trump flags at the beach here. But at least one plane’s banner has waved pro-mask, anti-Trump and anti QAnon messages.

Many in my family expect a Biden landslide. I think it’ll be a painfully close call.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 07, 2020, 12:45:55 pm
It’s depressing how many assholes there are in this country...

For sure race feels a bit tighter than it should be given circumstances...I don’t really trust polling so hard to gauge what is happening... Trump continues to be a shitshow and yet and yet...

Just another reason to pitch in and donate time and $ (if possible)

57 days to go...








Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 08, 2020, 09:48:59 am
Trump boat parades are causing lots of boats to sink
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/boats-keep-sinking-and-capsizing-at-the-trump-boat-parades.html

(https://i.redd.it/eyzzugbtsml51.jpg)
I can tell you from deep in trump country down in Colonial Beach this weekend there were tons of Trump-stfarians out on the water letting their freak flag fly, not obeying no-wake rules and being generally rude to other boaters

We had a Biden flag, but everyone (including me) was not interested in the dust up that might have happened if we unfurled our flag of freedom deep within enemy lines
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 08, 2020, 11:17:19 am
Brent Terhune's video regarding the sinking of those boats ensnared many on both sides... his satire remains on point so much of the time

https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1302370759705268229?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 08, 2020, 12:26:42 pm
My brother bought a Colin Kapernick kneeling t-shirt to combat the guy's wearing their Trump flipping the bird and saying "Impeach This" t-shirts. Wonder how that will turn out.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 08, 2020, 12:27:42 pm
Death?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 08, 2020, 01:57:39 pm
Trump Weighs Putting Up to $100 Million of His Cash Into Race (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-08/trump-weighs-putting-up-to-100-million-of-his-cash-into-race)

Maggie Haberman@maggieNYT
The chance this is likely to happen is quite slim. But the chance the president is saying it in hopes it loosens wallets of donors who have been holding back is high.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 08, 2020, 01:58:54 pm
Good summary


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/08/swing-states-2020-presidential-election-409000


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 08, 2020, 02:20:59 pm
My brother bought a Colin Kapernick kneeling t-shirt to combat the guy's wearing their Trump flipping the bird and saying "Impeach This" t-shirts. Wonder how that will turn out.

I meant to say he bought this shirt to wear to HIS WORKPLACE, to combat the guy's at his workplace wearing the Trump gear.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 08, 2020, 02:22:18 pm
Some workplace
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 08, 2020, 03:31:09 pm
Some workplace
Exactly. Where the hell are these people working that has employees in graphic tees all day?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 09, 2020, 04:26:55 pm
Awesome

https://www.axios.com/trump-fundraising-biden-9a176066-b2e1-4980-9db2-1e1668e74536.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 09, 2020, 06:07:21 pm
so trump has been nominated for a nobel prize... again. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54092960)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 10, 2020, 01:40:10 pm
Nebraska 2nd district moved to leans D by Crystal Ball (Larry Sabato)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 10, 2020, 01:44:56 pm
looks like Pearl Jam is going to be "cancelled" but they'll sell a boat load of these

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhkhW7VX0AAt6Y1?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 10, 2020, 03:29:12 pm
Oh no we’ve lost Ace

Former Kiss guitarist Ace Frehley has come out as a Trump supporter. "Trump is the strongest leader that we've got on the table," he said

Per rolling stone
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2020, 03:46:00 pm
Oh no we’ve lost Ace

Former Kiss guitarist Ace Frehley has come out as a Trump supporter. "Trump is the strongest leader that we've got on the table," he said

Per rolling stone

Now taking nominations for my new screen name.

Be nice.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 10, 2020, 03:49:25 pm
Frace Speely

Too bad about Ace. He had the only good Kiss solo album.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2020, 03:50:08 pm
Oh no we’ve lost Ace

Former Kiss guitarist Ace Frehley has come out as a Trump supporter. "Trump is the strongest leader that we've got on the table," he said

Per rolling stone

Now taking nominations for my new screen name.

Be nice.
Genital Jackson, MD
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2020, 03:52:59 pm
Frace Speely

Too bad about Ace. He had the only good Kiss solo album.

Free Spacey might have been a good one, but Kevin ruined it for me.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 11, 2020, 12:56:00 am
One interesting thing to consider is the apparent lack of third party voting


In 2016 Gary Johnson got 5% in many places, Stein 1-3% and there were other candidates ..that dude from Utah


This time it really seems like there isn’t going to be much third party voting

I think third party voting favors Trump who just can’t ever seem to get above 45%....without third party voting he cannot win with 43-44-45%...I think

I am seeing polls where between Biden and Chump they are getting 95% of votes and it’s September...not many votes left out there

Biden is getting very close to 50% in many places...yes they are polls but it’s still a great sign

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 11, 2020, 08:24:56 am
total lack of critical thinking to having the stable genius exit a plane to fortunate son... conservatives really do not actually listen to and comprehend song lyrics...  unless of course there is naughty words
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 11, 2020, 08:32:04 am
total lack of critical thinking to having the stable genius exit a plane to fortunate son... conservatives really do not actually listen to and comprehend song lyrics...  unless of course there is naughty words
I remember George W. Bush doing this as well or maybe he commented it was his favorite song. GOPers love them some Creedence.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 11, 2020, 08:34:36 am
One interesting thing to consider is the apparent lack of third party voting


In 2016 Gary Johnson got 5% in many places, Stein 1-3% and there were other candidates ..that dude from Utah


This time it really seems like there isn’t going to be much third party voting

I think third party voting favors Trump who just can’t ever seem to get above 45%....without third party voting he cannot win with 43-44-45%...I think
I think this is very true and one of the two big reasons pollsters say 2016 comparisons are unfair. The other is Biden is consistently hitting 50% in polls -- Hillary never did. People generally don't change their minds once they tell a pollster they're voting for someone. Biden leading 50-45 is very different than Hillary leading 46-41.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 11, 2020, 09:25:26 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhoIW66XkAEE3Cd?format=png&name=360x360)

that thing where you roll on the floor laughing your ass off

ryan teague beckwith
@ryanbeckwith
Trump ad misspells "Nobel" Peace Prize

https://twitter.com/ryanbeckwith/status/1304364238815797249?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 11, 2020, 03:55:17 pm
they are fucking with the Florida felons
Federal appeals court blocks Florida's felons from voting (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/11/federal-court-rules-florida-felons-rights-vote-fall-election/5748335002/)

man this is pissing me off, pretty much screwed them for 2020 it's looking like
unbelievable the lengths the GOP will go to suppress the vote

their tactics are working
at least 85,000 have registered to vote and will be screened for eligibility, based on the financial requirements. Unless the state finds information that disqualifies them, Pryor wrote, those felons "are entitled to vote."


I anticipate they will delay the screening and a small percent will be eligible to vote
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 13, 2020, 05:28:11 pm
Bloomie throws a $100 mill chip in the Battle for Florida
That should have a big impact

https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1305274530311462913?s=21

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 14, 2020, 09:02:40 am
50
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 14, 2020, 10:04:12 am
My wife says Bernie would have done it...


Trump expresses interest in debate hosted by comedian and mixed martial arts commentator
 
Trump, who has repeatedly sought to alter the debate schedule with Biden, on Monday expressed interest in a format that almost certainly will never happen: a four-hour event hosted by Joe Rogan, a comedian and mixed martial arts color commentator.
Tim Kennedy, a retired mixed martial arts fighter, noted on Twitter that Rogan was interested in hosting such a debate between Trump and Biden without a live audience.
“It would be four hours with no live audience. Just the two candidates, cameras, and their vision of how to move this country forward,” he tweeted. “Who wants this?”
“I do!” Trump tweeted in response.
Democrats immediately dismissed his response as a stunt from a candidate whose interest in debating they have questioned.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 14, 2020, 11:07:56 am
There is nothing (including voting for Trump) that someone can reveal about themselves that makes me think they're a fucking idiot with a deluded sense of self-worth more than telling me they like Joe Rogan.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 14, 2020, 11:17:39 am
I think the Biden camp should just come out and say "sure we'll do it"
it's never going to happen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 14, 2020, 01:24:55 pm
There is nothing (including voting for Trump) that someone can reveal about themselves that makes me think they're a fucking idiot with a deluded sense of self-worth more than telling me they like Joe Rogan.

Why is that? Apparently many people do.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 14, 2020, 01:30:01 pm
There is nothing (including voting for Trump) that someone can reveal about themselves that makes me think they're a fucking idiot with a deluded sense of self-worth more than telling me they like Joe Rogan.

Why is that? Apparently many people do.
I mean, have you ever met a fucking person who listens to this imbecile? They're all men's rights dipshits with no critical thinking skills who fall for every piece of redpill bullshit presented to them and are convinced they're deep thinkers.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 14, 2020, 01:42:35 pm
There is nothing (including voting for Trump) that someone can reveal about themselves that makes me think they're a fucking idiot with a deluded sense of self-worth more than telling me they like Joe Rogan.

Why is that? Apparently many people do.
I mean, have you ever met a fucking person who listens to this imbecile? They're all men's rights dipshits with no critical thinking skills who fall for every piece of redpill bullshit presented to them and are convinced they're deep thinkers.
well, haven't met Walkie yet...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 14, 2020, 01:50:56 pm
There is nothing (including voting for Trump) that someone can reveal about themselves that makes me think they're a fucking idiot with a deluded sense of self-worth more than telling me they like Joe Rogan.

Why is that? Apparently many people do.
I mean, have you ever met a fucking person who listens to this imbecile? They're all men's rights dipshits with no critical thinking skills who fall for every piece of redpill bullshit presented to them and are convinced they're deep thinkers.
well, haven't met Walkie yet...
Look, I love Walkie as much as the next person but he believes in soul vampires and sacred geometry and healing crystals or some nonsense like that. I rest my case.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 14, 2020, 02:15:59 pm
There is nothing (including voting for Trump) that someone can reveal about themselves that makes me think they're a fucking idiot with a deluded sense of self-worth more than telling me they like Joe Rogan.

Why is that? Apparently many people do.
I mean, have you ever met a fucking person who listens to this imbecile? They're all men's rights dipshits with no critical thinking skills who fall for every piece of redpill bullshit presented to them and are convinced they're deep thinkers.

your cogent and un-hyperbolic analysis makes a very convincing argument.

lemme guess: you've never listened to a single rogan interview.  you "just know."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 14, 2020, 02:31:12 pm
I listened to his program the first twenty times someone told me about an interview so deep and all encompassing that it could never happen in mainstream media. After that, I just started realizing the people who listened to it were kinda idiots and, more often than not, super misogynistic.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 14, 2020, 05:13:05 pm
Am a firm believer $ matter only a little bit but if Election is close a little bit makes all difference

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-campaign-slashes-ad-spending-in-key-states-in-cash-crunch/ar-BB190HgD?ocid=uxbndlbing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 15, 2020, 03:47:21 pm
So will team Trump use the Caputo defense going forward (claiming mental insanity as a defense for doing and saying crazy things)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 15, 2020, 03:52:52 pm
So will team Trump use the Caputo defense going forward (claiming mental insanity as a defense for doing and saying crazy things)

Admittedly, I wasn't very informed about this story, so i did a bit of reading. I found this guy's most egregious offfense.

Caputo also disputed anonymous White House criticism about his mental health — saying that some of his comments have been taken out of context — and concluded the meeting by encouraging his staff to listen to music by the Grateful Dead.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 15, 2020, 04:23:25 pm
and concluded the meeting by encouraging his staff to listen to music by the Grateful Dead.[/i]
is that wink wink to consume shrooms?
where is GGW when we need him

But that would be a fireable offense if I was his boss
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 15, 2020, 04:37:01 pm
so does Jamie have a chance, I don't know
but throwing shade on Lindsey...priceless

https://twitter.com/harrisonjaime/status/1305967288311582721
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 17, 2020, 05:09:36 pm
There is a god and it’s certainly not ye
https://twitter.com/markherringva/status/1306691984078368768?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 17, 2020, 05:35:44 pm
Well given that Kanye is now going to war with his record company over his masters and pissing on his Grammy... hard to see any of this as little more than a publicity stunt
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 17, 2020, 05:42:56 pm
Like all rappers, nothing, is original. 

Prince called from the coffin, to say . . . fuck him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2020, 08:34:48 pm
What a loser

https://news.yahoo.com/911-called-to-allegedly-intoxicated-jerry-falwell-jrs-house-last-month-there-was-a-lot-of-blood-213552998.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 18, 2020, 01:00:59 pm
WTF Sidehatch why no mention of you?

https://www.chron.com/news/article/On-the-first-day-of-early-voting-Virginians-line-15578018.php
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 18, 2020, 04:44:17 pm
WTF Sidehatch why no mention of you?

https://www.chron.com/news/article/On-the-first-day-of-early-voting-Virginians-line-15578018.php

Voted today and boy did that feel good!
less than 30 mins total

Long lines in Loudoun....all a part of the Biden/Harris plan to abolish the Ex-burbs!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 18, 2020, 05:38:38 pm
Great!


I plan to vote in person on Election Day around 2:30 pm at Swanson middle school...unless I die


Weird how even if you die they will count your vote but not so weird I guess  since the election has started and is on


Last time I voted for Hillary in person a few days early

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on September 18, 2020, 06:47:14 pm
What a loser

https://news.yahoo.com/911-called-to-allegedly-intoxicated-jerry-falwell-jrs-house-last-month-there-was-a-lot-of-blood-213552998.html

When "christians" go wild. Not at all sad to see the Falwells unraveling.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 18, 2020, 08:33:09 pm
I plan to vote in person on Election Day around 2:30 pm at Swanson middle school...unless I die

why are you waiting until election day?  why not vote now?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 18, 2020, 08:34:55 pm
We discussed this


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 20, 2020, 09:47:48 am
43 days and some hours to go



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/18/joe-biden-polls-electoral-college-417880


Makes the point I was making that Biden is doing better than Hillary


Unfortunately replacing RBG was at the top of list of reasons why a Biden victory was so important and that has been rendered moot
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 21, 2020, 02:21:02 pm
we all know Ron DeSantis is a dick...and I think there was some hokey-pokey in his razor-thin win too

but this shit takes the cake
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EidKU52XYAM9kg4?format=png&name=900x900)

so if you are in a protest and DeSantis determines it's disordely..no more government benefits
and the local police departments will be punished if they 'slash the budget'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 21, 2020, 02:45:32 pm
DeSantis is really going for it...this can't be good for the GOP?

DeSantis ends Congressional Federal Assistance for the unemployed in Florida.
In a state where 12% of the population already lives below the poverty line, Ron DeSantis shut down Trump’s 300 dollar per month unemployment benefit for hundreds of thousands of people in FL.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 21, 2020, 03:12:22 pm

Whistleblower outs Kushner for COVID task force failures: ‘Organized crime melded with Lord of the Flies’


that's some visual of Paulie Walnuts asking Simon for the conch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 21, 2020, 04:55:06 pm

Whistleblower outs Kushner for COVID task force failures: ‘Organized crime melded with Lord of the Flies’


A Young Kennedy, in Kushnerland, Turned Whistle-Blower (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/28/a-young-kennedy-in-kushnerland-turned-whistle-blower)
When Robert F. Kennedy’s grandson Max volunteered with Jared Kushner’s COVID-19 task force, he likened the Trump Administration’s pandemic response to “a family office meets organized crime, melded with ‘Lord of the Flies.’ ”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on September 21, 2020, 08:20:18 pm
why would he do that?  What is in it for Florida or DeSantis?  Also he's a fucking moron.


DeSantis is really going for it...this can't be good for the GOP?

DeSantis ends Congressional Federal Assistance for the unemployed in Florida.
In a state where 12% of the population already lives below the poverty line, Ron DeSantis shut down Trump’s 300 dollar per month unemployment benefit for hundreds of thousands of people in FL.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 22, 2020, 09:00:51 am
1000 hours
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 22, 2020, 09:51:14 am
Due to a lack of excess funds for donations...I decided to sign up to be an Election Poll worker this year as I've heard they are deperately needed (due to the avg age of 70) and just got my assignment.  The school right down the street from me!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 22, 2020, 01:15:55 pm
1000 hours

green day is political?  more like a bunch of frustrated teens... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,000_Hours)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 22, 2020, 01:29:27 pm
this piece on Full Frontal from the 2016 DNC on the bernie or bust movement will forever haunt me...  heck they even heckled John Lewis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRrOqyFv0Sk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 22, 2020, 01:39:07 pm
Yes those so called progressives who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary really showed them...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 22, 2020, 01:44:30 pm
i remember seeing some of the bernie supporters who were out there often at the Greenbelt Metro, switch to becoming Jill Stein support towards the election  ::)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 22, 2020, 03:09:22 pm
they are fucking with the Florida felons
Federal appeals court blocks Florida's felons from voting (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/11/federal-court-rules-florida-felons-rights-vote-fall-election/5748335002/)

man this is pissing me off, pretty much screwed them for 2020 it's looking like
unbelievable the lengths the GOP will go to suppress the vote
blomie for the win!
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/517522-bloomberg-pays-fines-for-32000-felons-in-florida-so-they-can-vote
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 22, 2020, 03:14:09 pm
Ughh
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 22, 2020, 03:29:08 pm
tens of thousands of "naked ballots" could possibly be rejected in PA election...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 22, 2020, 07:43:55 pm
tens of thousands of "naked ballots" could possibly be rejected in PA election...

The bottom line: Cook Political Report's Dave Wasserman called the situation "a foreseeable train wreck." (https://www.axios.com/pennsylvania-naked-ballots-mail-in-voting-biden-9bbcf26f-c9d1-49bf-8939-0422242ed36e.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 23, 2020, 10:44:53 am
I don’t think so and in fact think it’s better to vote on Election Day
Didn't want to sully your good news thread

So I understand the issues with votebymail (high rejection rate, issues with usps and won't get counted until Nov  4th)
that also includes taking your Absentee ballot and dropping it off at an election center (still might not get counted until nov 4th)

but does actaully voting early screw up those numbers?
Will that vote be calculated in the tally on Nov 3rd

I could see it impact exit polling, so Trump would have ammo to say 'its rigged'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2020, 11:29:42 am
So you don’t know??!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 23, 2020, 11:54:51 am
so this specific thing is not addressed as far as I know...do you?
I did my ealry vote on a voting machine (scan card type)...so my understanding is that will 100% be tabulated on Election day and be included with those numbers



Virginia

VA Code Ann. § 24.2-709.1,

§ 24.2-712
   Absentee/Mail Ballot Processing Can Begin   
Before Election Day as needed to expedite counting absentee ballots.   
Absentee/Mail Ballot Counting Can Begin
Ballots may be inserted into ballot-counting machines prior to the closing of the polls, but no ballot count totals by the machines shall be initiated until the polls close. If absentee ballots are counted by hand, tallying may begin after 3 p.m. on Election Day. Vote counts may not be reported until after the polls close.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2020, 12:06:36 pm
You voted without first conducting due diligence?


Are you even sure they will actually even count your vote?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 23, 2020, 12:12:45 pm
You voted without first conducting due diligence?


Are you even sure they will actually even count your vote?
jez, now you are getting a little tin-foil-hat on me

I put my filled out vote into the same type of scanner machine I always do and it said 'vote counted' on the little LCD screen

my understanding is early in-person voting is the same as Election day voting
But do you have details that this is different or do you just have snark?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2020, 12:16:34 pm
I just can’t believe you don’t even know for sure what happens with your early vote?!? You were so into it I assumed you had done the research! Now you are asking us to bail you out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2020, 12:18:24 pm
I will let you know what Barack says but it sounds like you made a lot of assumptions...


I thought I warned you about this?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 23, 2020, 01:14:42 pm
I will let you know what Barack says but it sounds like you made a lot of assumptions...


I thought I warned you about this?


Did you mean this?

https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/1294284826502103047?s=21

If you're in a state where you have the option to vote early, do that now. The more votes in early, the less likely you're going to see a last minute crunch, both at polling places and in states where mail-in ballots are permitted. Then tell everyone you know


So I listened to Barack
and I’m telling everyone I know
but you keep throwing Shade that I made a bad decision I didn’t do research

as far as I can tell I found no evidence that voting early on a voting machine is any different than voting on election day
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2020, 01:26:47 pm
Well then I will vote early now that I have gone the research before voting!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 23, 2020, 01:36:51 pm
yeay, we're arguing about the validity of our votes - wIlL mY vOtE bE cOuNtEd iF i vOtE eArly?!?!? mAmA cAn i tRuSt dA gUvUrNmEnt?!?

gee, i wonder who that is benefiting. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2020, 01:49:55 pm
If we don’t think about our vote we might as well just declare Trump winner.


It is what it is
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 23, 2020, 03:12:39 pm
Not all former felons will be voting for Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/mike-tyson-will-vote-for-the-first-time-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 23, 2020, 04:53:06 pm
The hits just keep coming today...

Florida AG wants Bloomberg arrested...

BREAKING: Florida AG just sent this letter to the FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement asking them to look into "potential violations of election law."

Bloomberg's effort to pay off fines and fees of people w/ felony convictions is the target.

https://twitter.com/toomuchme/status/1308849621041590276?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on September 23, 2020, 05:12:25 pm
Probably true but did he say who he is voting for?

Not all former felons will be voting for Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/mike-tyson-will-vote-for-the-first-time-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 23, 2020, 05:16:22 pm
tyson supported trump in 2016
but recently did some Gfloyd support stuff too, so he may have changed
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 23, 2020, 09:18:12 pm
I think Wallace is a great choice for moderator

I think they should do the debates like the Olympics were they have those little feel good vignettes about their childhood
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 23, 2020, 09:32:54 pm
Look. Until they give the horses medals in the equestrian events, I don’t want to hear anyone holding up the fucking Olympics as some sort of gold standard on anything.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on September 24, 2020, 11:07:26 am
I can sort of-almost give people a pass for supporting Trump in 2016; but not in 2020.


tyson supported trump in 2016
but recently did some Gfloyd support stuff too, so he may have changed
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 24, 2020, 11:24:56 am
Look. Until they give the horses medals in the equestrian events,
So do winning horses do better in the glue market?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2020, 11:38:57 am
"Lock Him Up" or "Chop His Nuts Off" seems more appropriate, but this was pretty good.

https://twitter.com/Kevinliptakcnn/status/1309131222589865984
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on September 24, 2020, 02:04:29 pm
Received an email with my Maryland ballot today.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 24, 2020, 02:05:34 pm
Received an email with my Maryland ballot today.

wait, is MD voting online??
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 24, 2020, 03:30:43 pm
Nearly 1 million Virginia voters already have cast ballots in person since early voting began Friday or have requested absentee ballots. In all of 2016, the corresponding number stood at 538,000
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2020, 09:22:10 am
Reporter: "Is it appropriate for the President to not commit to an orderly transition of power if he loses?"

Sen. Kevin Cramer: "Democrats have already obviously made it very clear that they don't intend to do that."



I don't get this.   They are in power, so how can the people not in power have anything to do with the transition?
this is the talking point they won't stop with and it just donesn't make sense
but I guess that's very on-brand
I still don't get how inteligent people can hear these people speak and not be like WTF
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 25, 2020, 10:34:17 am
so two more weeks for a healthcare plan that taken almost four years to produce.. as someone pointed out everything with our dear leader is often two weeks away..

i'll never forget the time many moons ago sitting in a jury waiting room and the statement "i alone can fix health care" was uttered on the tv and the entire room burst out laughing...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2020, 10:41:45 am
that should be their campaign slogan "our plan is two weeks away"

(https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=Tr6nwdKpGtcBWi7B3r4AE3wYwNuQ.....5E)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 25, 2020, 10:49:40 am
and in two weeks time there will be spikes in the rona  in all places campaign events happen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2020, 01:43:25 pm
Reporter: "Is it appropriate for the President to not commit to an orderly transition of power if he loses?"

Sen. Kevin Cramer: "Democrats have already obviously made it very clear that they don't intend to do that."



I don't get this.   They are in power, so how can the people not in power have anything to do with the transition?
this is the talking point they won't stop with and it just donesn't make sense
but I guess that's very on-brand
I still don't get how inteligent people can hear these people speak and not be like WTF

page 1 of the GOP playbook, 2016 edition (most current): always blame the left for whatever you're been blamed for.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 25, 2020, 04:30:01 pm
The person running against Pelosi is a real head case and I’ve seen her nonsense before but wow pull out the tin hat or maybe even full body armor on this one. 

I find it very interesting how the show “Masked Singer” hit America in January 2019, a little bit over a year before they started forcing us all into masks.

It’s almost like they were beginning to condition the public that masks were “normal” and “cool”.

The media is demonic.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2020, 02:51:44 pm
I'm really annoyed by this


Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
I will be strongly demanding a Drug Test of Sleepy Joe Biden prior to, or after, the Debate on Tuesday night. Naturally, I will agree to take one also. His Debate performances have been record setting UNEVEN, to put it mildly. Only drugs could have caused this discrepancy???


I have heard a lot of people speculate that Trump is surely taking something based on how he talks/eyes/mouth
but all speculation
I know this is an empty threat as I could totaly see him not taking the drug test after Joe does

I've got to imagine that trump has some inside intel that Joe is taking some performance enhancing drug
that's why he won't stop with this
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 27, 2020, 02:55:56 pm
Damn dude that’s a terrible conclusion you are drawing and you ought to think about that


I mean did Trump have some inside info Obama wasn’t born in the US?

Moreover it’s not a sporting event so who is to say what a person can consume?

Basically you bought into Trump’s framing and then said you believe Trump!

Very weak
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2020, 03:03:44 pm
Damn dude that’s a terrible conclusion you are drawing and you ought to think about that


I mean did Trump have some inside info Obama wasn’t born in the US?

Moreover it’s not a sporting event so who is to say what a person can consume?

Basically you bought into Trump’s framing and then said you believe Trump!

Very weak
I mean, I hear you it's all about how it's framed and that's what he's trying to do
let's be clear I'm annoyed that he is constantly doing this, that was my point

I did add that last little comment in there and you make like I'm going to impact the 8 people who read this
I do think that he is more likely to be taking something based on how he acts and this is a projection
but as you said, not a sporting event and I wouldn't want them to submit for a drug test
it's like the DNA test that Warren took...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2020, 04:29:25 pm
UNITED STATES: 866,000 people have already voted for the November election, compared to 9,500 at the same time in 2016
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2020, 06:02:55 pm
Seems like a big deal... sadly will do nothing

The New York Times has obtained tax-return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 27, 2020, 09:36:27 pm
Brad Pascale
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2020, 09:55:30 pm
Brad Pascale
Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed, barricades self in Fort Lauderdale home, police called

Fort Lauderdale Police responded to a home in reference to an armed male attempting suicide Sunday afternoon. When officers arrived on the scene, they made contact with the wife of the man who told them her husband was armed, had access to multiple firearms inside the house and was threatening to harm himself.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2020, 10:05:25 pm
whoa...this is some serious shade.  Is this real?


@MSNBC
Biden campaign on President Trump's attempts to make up a drug test policy for the upcoming presidential debate:

Joe Biden "intends to deliver his debate answers in words. If the president thinks his best case is made in urine he can have at it."
"We’d expect nothing less from Donald Trump, who pissed away the chance to protect the lives of 200K Americans when he didn't make a plan to stop COVID-19." (2/2)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 28, 2020, 03:17:11 pm
Brad Pascale

This guy’s net worth is 12 million dollars and look at the (relatively) crappy house he lives in. Definitely not a member of Julian's America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjAqS35D8ZU
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 28, 2020, 05:02:09 pm
Brad Pascale
Definitely not a member of Julian's America.

with that beard, and that hair?  was there any question?

(although the silicon-enhanced trophy wife was a good attempt at faking it...)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 28, 2020, 05:11:03 pm
Brad Pascale

This guy’s net worth is 12 million dollars and look at the (relatively) crappy house he lives in. Definitely not a member of Julian's America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjAqS35D8ZU


Good observation

That’s cause it’s a money laundering operation

He probably felt the gig was almost up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 28, 2020, 08:28:36 pm
Brad Pascale
fast forward to 0:50
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1310657193688137740
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 28, 2020, 09:03:03 pm
It’s just amazing the stuff Trump gets away with


How come the IRS hasn’t reached a conclusion on the $80 million tax credit? What about all the other crooked stuff like the consultant payments to his family or the $70,000 hair expenses

I mean he has probably been under audit for a decade!?

The way the system works really stinks... Trump should have been easy to nab for the IRS...tons of issues and red flags
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 28, 2020, 09:04:54 pm
And the guy couldn’t bring himself to pay any taxes (a token $750) even as president? It’s just disgusting


The illegal aliens he and his deplorables so malign pay more in taxes than the president

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 28, 2020, 10:33:49 pm
I'm curious how he avoids the ATM, I thought that was the whole point of that law...ya know minimum tax
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 28, 2020, 11:29:46 pm
I can take Tyson, but not  Johnny
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5H8O7XWwAEHXmW.jpg)
apparently this is legit and he looks like shit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on September 29, 2020, 10:16:06 am
He looks bad but ya have to cut him some slack as he is caring for his ill wife.

No slack provided for the assinine t-shirt.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 29, 2020, 11:02:30 am
He has a medical condition that makes him balloon due to meds..that’s what I read


It’s a bummer if he really supports Trump but who knows!


I would love to hear him out on it...I know he is everyone’s favorite punching bag but I have a lot of respect for him and I will give him every benefit of the doubt
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on September 29, 2020, 11:10:07 am
That makes sense.

Pretty sure he hopped aboard the Trump train a long time ago.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 29, 2020, 11:17:21 am
Johnny Rotten doing something for attention, so people will talk about him.

Shocking . . . say it ain't so, Sid.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2020, 12:13:09 pm
Johnny Rotten doing something for attention, so people will talk about him.

Shocking . . . say it ain't so, Sid.

^ this.  i know it's hard to believe that johnny would do something purely for the shock value, but bare with me while i review the history of his career...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 29, 2020, 01:21:33 pm
Going into first debate everything is looking better and better


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518721-cook-political-report-shifts-ohio-iowa-to-toss-up-in-presidential-race
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2020, 02:13:58 pm
so here's another potential source of manure that could hit the fan:

Non-Partisan Watchdog Accuses Trump Campaign Of ‘Laundering’ $170 Million (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/)

Parscale is implicated bigly... perhaps he was given a heads-up that this was about to blow up, and it explains his recent suicidal outburst?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 29, 2020, 02:23:20 pm
Didn’t I say that a few comments above?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 29, 2020, 02:25:35 pm
A different angle...same shit people


https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/report-parscale-under-investigation-for-stealing-25-40m-from-trump-campaign-NKL2PAyWckuU3YXTTfViqQ
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on September 29, 2020, 03:07:03 pm
"Florida Man..."

A different angle...same shit people


https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/report-parscale-under-investigation-for-stealing-25-40m-from-trump-campaign-NKL2PAyWckuU3YXTTfViqQ
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2020, 05:26:05 pm
Didn’t I say that a few comments above?

you did mention something to this effect, but you'll forgive me for giving more weight to Forbes than you casually tossing out "cause it’s a money laundering operation"  ;D

also, they provided an actual number - story has more impact with "$170M" attached to it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 29, 2020, 05:32:54 pm
You remind me of all the people over the past few years who didn’t believe me when I told them Trump couldn’t possibly be that rich....


A really wealthy person doesn’t bother with reality TV

Trump’s campaign is permanently broke because he is laundering money.. it was broke practically before it started! How can that even be possible with the hundreds of millions he has raised? Easy...he steals it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 29, 2020, 05:35:54 pm
Can someone please check hutch’s ears
Something seems fishy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2020, 06:23:31 pm
Can someone please check hutch’s ears
Something seems fishy

he has a babel fish?!? (https://youtu.be/iuumnjJWFO4?t=125)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on September 29, 2020, 07:54:26 pm

Alexandra Petri
@petridishes

debate drinking game!: continue to drink continuously as you have been doing for the past six months



https://twitter.com/petridishes/status/1311070288168316928
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2020, 08:16:02 pm

Alexandra Petri
@petridishes

debate drinking game!: continue to drink continuously as you have been doing for the past six months



https://twitter.com/petridishes/status/1311070288168316928

i love it when i can be part of a social phenomena without any incremental effort.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2020, 08:27:18 pm
LOL:

Trump email says he ‘finished debating’ Biden hours before debate begins (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/29/trump-biden-debate-early-email-423224)


see the email here. (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1311068232976080896?s=19)  i love the passive-aggressive "why don't you love me anymore, waaaaaaa" tone.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 29, 2020, 09:16:31 pm
15 minutes in and the debate is already off the rails.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 29, 2020, 10:48:40 pm
god help us all.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 29, 2020, 11:34:58 pm
let me see . . . trump voters are still voting for trump.  biden voters are still voting for biden.  undecided voters . . . please leave the country.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 29, 2020, 11:44:54 pm
What about non voters?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on September 29, 2020, 11:54:29 pm
I would make a comment about non voters . . . but Jesus, would rather I did not.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on September 29, 2020, 11:54:50 pm
A very philosophical question

What about non voters?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 30, 2020, 07:52:08 am
Trump was clearly the winner. At least this guy says so.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/david-bossie-trump-clearly-defeats-biden-in-first-presidential-debate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2020, 08:11:51 am
Baghdad Bob returns!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 30, 2020, 12:27:36 pm
Trump was clearly the winner. At least this guy says so.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/david-bossie-trump-clearly-defeats-biden-in-first-presidential-debate (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/david-bossie-trump-clearly-defeats-biden-in-first-presidential-debate)

reading the comments is fascinating: pretty even split between pro-trump and pro-biden... on foxnews.com. 

most common critique of joe's performance: "Every time Joe was cornered he would look at the camera and appeal to voters.  Joe didn't answer any of the questions." 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 30, 2020, 12:28:13 pm
Baghdad Bob returns!

definitely didn't have that on my 2020 bingo card...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 30, 2020, 05:45:31 pm
Trump tells reporters: ‘I don’t know who the Proud Boys are’

President Donald J. Trump told reporters on the South Lawn Wednesday, “I don’t know who the Proud Boys are, but whoever they are, they need to stand down.”

He added, “They need to let law enforcement do the work.”

On that note, he also said that crime “generally concerns me.”

Watch the video below.: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/trump-tells-reporters-i-dont-know-who-the-proud-boys-are/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/trump-tells-reporters-i-dont-know-who-the-proud-boys-are/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2020, 06:16:17 pm
This is his typical approach

I hope the media and voters don’t fall for it...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 01, 2020, 01:22:24 pm
Hey Space I think you just need to add Rhodes Scholar to you screen name, unless Sidehatch beats you to the punch...

and to provide context to keep sweets from having to fact check me... The PressSec said the new SCOTUS nominee was a Rhodes Scholar when in fact they got a BA from Rhodes College
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on October 01, 2020, 01:25:24 pm
Hey Space I think you just need to add Rhodes Scholar to you screen name, unless Sidehatch beats you to the punch...

and to provide context to keep sweets from having to fact check me... The PressSec said the new SCOTUS nominee was a Rhodes Scholar when in fact they got a BA from Rhodes College

Yeah, but when caught, she did say "my bad," so...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 01, 2020, 01:31:06 pm
Hey Space I think you just need to add Rhodes Scholar to you screen name, unless Sidehatch beats you to the punch...

and to provide context to keep sweets from having to fact check me... The PressSec said the new SCOTUS nominee was a Rhodes Scholar when in fact they got a BA from Rhodes College

Yeah, but when caught, she did say "my bad," so...

but we still don't know "Where's The River"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2020, 05:28:08 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-01/biden-campaign-sets-second-monthly-fundraising-record
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 01, 2020, 06:57:07 pm
Going into first debate everything is looking better and better


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518721-cook-political-report-shifts-ohio-iowa-to-toss-up-in-presidential-race (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518721-cook-political-report-shifts-ohio-iowa-to-toss-up-in-presidential-race)

i wouldn't have thought than a GOP senate seat in Iowa would be in play, but here we are (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joni-ernst-is-now-in-trouble-trump-is-a-huge-part-of-her-problem/2020/09/28/32f7ec62-01c5-11eb-a2db-417cddf4816a_story.html).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2020, 07:15:09 pm
Check out the newest poll on IA


I don’t find the margin credible but Ernst could lose...I cannot stand her


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/senate/ia/iowa_senate_ernst_vs_greenfield-7072.html

One can dream
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 01, 2020, 08:07:02 pm
Check out the newest poll on IA


I don’t find the margin credible but Ernst could lose...I cannot stand her


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/senate/ia/iowa_senate_ernst_vs_greenfield-7072.html

One can dream
This poll is not weighted for education and Iowa is probably one of the top three states where that’s most essential.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 01, 2020, 08:16:02 pm
Oh look dumb ass Conservative Trolls got caught doing something illegal

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/10/01/internet-trolls-jacob-wohl-and-jack-burkman-charged-in-alleged-scheme-to-suppress-detroit-voters

Internet trolls Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman charged in alleged scheme to suppress Detroit voters


And speaking of this, remember how we all cheered Bannon being arrested on wire fraud related to the private wall... that lasted like a day or two...

And I’m surprised we haven’t lost interest in 45’s taxes yet... that may last a couple weeks
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2020, 08:39:23 pm
Hope Hicks has tested positive for covid


Was in close proximity to President chump...travelled together in close quarters....Marine One
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 01, 2020, 08:55:16 pm
Hope Hicks has tested positive for covid


Was in close proximity to President chump...travelled together in close quarters....Marine One

It is what it is.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 01, 2020, 09:11:05 pm

Internet trolls Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman charged in alleged scheme to suppress Detroit voters
Word is could be decade long sentence for this
I have tried to find any new details on bannon
Is he still in the clink?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2020, 10:39:49 pm
It’s weird Trump says waiting on test results


Could rapid test have been positive?


He couldn’t have spread it to Biden at debate, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2020, 10:50:17 pm
Breaking: Trump to quarantine
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 02, 2020, 02:44:21 am
TRUMP'S GOT THE 'RONA!!!!!!!!!! (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/hope-hicks-positive-coronavirus/index.html)

ok, now that i've got that outta my system: we need to not get excited about this.  not because it's bad karma to revel in another human's health issues (despite how despicable that human might be), but because this could well turn to trump's advantage: he'll quarantine, get better, then go around gloating that the coronavirus isn't a big deal because he survived it - "why are we still shutting down the country?!?  i got it, it was like the flu, i'm fine now, everyone ignore this and get back to work!"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 02, 2020, 05:17:23 am
Bannon got out on a 5 million dollar bail...

And speaking of non mask wearing  Republican asshats, two state legislators in PA and MI have tested positive for the Rona.  Both probably infection other non mask wearing asshats, etc, etc

And ever notice that with all the talk of election fraud these days it’s always the conservatives caught doing it?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 02, 2020, 05:58:06 am
I guess I remember this from when the robocall was first mentioned that it included both of their names, which of course was denied by them of taking part in it... but seriously what kind of dumb ass uses their own name in such a thing...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on October 02, 2020, 06:33:56 am
I’m sure Trump will bounce back and say it was just like getting the flu. Can’t wait  ::)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 06:57:13 am
I’m sure Trump will bounce back and say it was just like getting the flu. Can’t wait  ::)
I wish they would take away his phone as a part of the quarantine

This is going to drive him bonkers
Is this how he gets out of doing the next debates

How are MAGAts going to process this
“Sir you said it was fake and now you have it”
What happened to all the pundits pushing hydroxychloroquine
Shouldn’t trump be bathing in the magic elixir?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 02, 2020, 07:40:20 am
Well we have our October surprise. Time for some more vacation day drinking
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 07:47:08 am
Well we have our October surprise. Time for some more vacation day drinking
wait you are only supposed to day drink on vacation...I may be doing this wrong
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 02, 2020, 07:53:08 am
Well we have our October surprise. Time for some more vacation day drinking
wait you are only supposed to day drink on vacation...I may be doing this wrong

I am on vacation. I got two wineries and three breweries yesterday, including a great can haul from Mortals and a couple of samples at Other Half FLX.

It seems obvious that karma is getting back at Flotus for dissing Christmas. Can't imagine what karma would have against Potus.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2020, 08:06:11 am
I thought Melania’s recorded comments about Christmas were also an October surprise of sorts...


It’s going to be a crazy month
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 09:08:09 am
Kinda thought all the October surprises were going to be coming FROM the Trump team, not ON the Trump team
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2020, 09:33:54 am
These people are monsters...they didn’t even contact the Biden folks to let them know


The Trump family refused to wear masks during debate even though instructed to...

Of course we remember Trump mocking Hillary for pneumonia and Romney for quarantining...

Monsters
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 02, 2020, 09:40:31 am
tweeter is providing more distractions than usual today

along the lines of owner of luxurious Aryrshire resort or former reality tv star  has tested positive for the rona

but these two are top notch


Just Pete Woods
@thatpetewoods
Cheer up, Mr. President. Herman Cain got Covid and he’s still managing to tweet.

https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1311896586570657798?s=20

and

aj
@reluctant_horse

if Hope is ultimately what ends this presidency then you really gotta hand it to Obama

https://twitter.com/reluctant_horse/status/1311847394477109248?s=20


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on October 02, 2020, 09:59:23 am
Thoughts and prayers...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 02, 2020, 10:08:49 am
oh and this one

Home Alone 2:Lost in New York star Donald Trump has tested positive for covid-19
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 11:08:21 am
He is also high risk Because of age, obesity and low income

In new news
RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel has also tested positive for coronavirus, an aide confirms.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on October 02, 2020, 11:18:18 am
if he comes through this with only mild symptoms, he next says: don't you want a president that has already had the virus? It's too risky to elect someone without antibodies.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2020, 11:54:17 am
Sen Mike Lee has it


Met with Judge Barrett Tuesday
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2020, 12:29:00 pm
Bidens test Negative
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on October 02, 2020, 01:03:26 pm
I thought Melania’s recorded comments about Christmas were also an October surprise of sorts...


It’s going to be a crazy month

She is an awful human being. Doesn’t seem to care about anything other than herself. They really are a match made in hell.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 03:57:28 pm
I wish they would take away his phone as a part of the quarantine
wow 15 hours since his last tweet...isn't even doing conf calls

not sure if this is true, but seems legit
His record since taking the presidency is 23 hours ...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 04:16:23 pm
A telling vote just now in the House.
H. Res. 1154 from @Malinowski  and @RepRiggleman  "Condemning QAnon and rejecting the conspiracy theories it promotes."

Yea: 371

Nay: 18

Present: 1

Not Voting: 40

52 Republicans either voted AGAINST it, abstained, or voted present
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 04:20:18 pm
Trump received an injection of Regeneron’s experimental monoclonal (synthetic) antibody cocktail.

yikes...experimental cocktails on the POTUS
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Post by: Justin Tonation on October 02, 2020, 05:01:14 pm
James Bond film ‘No Time To Die’ delayed until April (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2020-10-02/james-bond-film-no-time-to-die-delayed-until-april)   ???
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 05:50:38 pm
Trump received an injection of Regeneron’s experimental monoclonal (synthetic) antibody cocktail.

yikes...experimental cocktails on the POTUS

Wow things are escalating quickly, just read he is being moved to Walter Reed ( makes sense, but scary nonetheless)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 08:46:24 pm
Tom tillis too
This is insane
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 02, 2020, 09:00:44 pm
The President is having trouble breathing and will remain at Walter Reed for several days.  :o
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on October 02, 2020, 09:11:25 pm
The President is having trouble breathing and will remain at Walter Reed for several days.  :o

Source?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2020, 09:15:56 pm
Democrats should just be quiet and - publicly at least- wish the president a quick recovery.

We don’t need to speculate about his actual condition or anything else

Follow Joe’s lead






Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2020, 10:10:55 pm
Looking at a picture of Saturday’s event announcing new Supreme Court nominee at White House and the seating arrangement it looks like it was a super spreader event


All the Judiciary committee Republicans seated close together without masks .will be interesting to see if anyone else gets it


Just announced Kelly Ann Conway got it..

This pic tells the story

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/02/trump-timeline-activities-425041


Note some wearing mask including Thilus?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2020, 11:51:47 pm
Add Bill Stepien the dude that replaced Parscale as campaign manager

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 02, 2020, 11:57:20 pm
 Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien

This is like one of those Tales from the crypt episodes where the old lady puts a curse on those who didn’t heed her dying wishes
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2020, 12:01:47 am
I wish they would take away his phone as a part of the quarantine
wow 15 hours since his last tweet...isn't even doing conf calls

Not sure it was his thumbs that sent this
But don didn’t want to break his Twitter streak and tweets at 11:31
Going welI, I think!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2020, 12:03:20 am
Democrats may have just lost Senate...


https://amp.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article246191610.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2020, 02:09:34 am
Democrats may have just lost Senate...


https://amp.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article246191610.html?__twitter_impression=true
Holy fuck...  what a fucking Friday

 This is like the Republican Red Wedding
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2020, 09:32:29 am
Feeling like I picked the wrong time to stop sniffing glue

SEN. RON JOHNSON—Wisconsin, tests positive for Covid-19
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2020, 11:47:01 am
Chris Christie has tested positive for covid...wow

I always said Trump was going to destroy the GOP as we know it, but didn't think this was the way it would happen

Really curious who was at that Al Smith fundraiser

Dr kept saying "he's not on oxygen now" but won't answer if he has every been on

also the timeline is not adding up
Maggie Haberman@maggieNYT
Conley says we are 72 hours into the diagnosis. We were told around 1 am on Friday morning that POTUS was positive, which is only 36 hours ago.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2020, 01:08:09 pm
Is this thing on?!


#RoseGardenMassacre
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2020, 01:12:17 pm
Oh it’s on!!


At this point we are all shell shocked
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 03, 2020, 04:45:37 pm
Sounds like some fishy stuff going on eo n there in DC.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 03, 2020, 04:49:24 pm
I'm not sure who's worse.

My Southern uncle who says he would leave the country if the Democrats win because he doesn't want to be around when the Democrats come for the Southerner's guns.

Or my wife's uncle who threatened to kill Obama on social media when Obama was president.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 03, 2020, 09:36:45 pm
I'm not sure who's worse.

My Southern uncle who says he would leave the country if the Democrats win because he doesn't want to be around when the Democrats come for the Southerner's guns.

Or my wife's uncle who threatened to kill Obama on social media when Obama was president.

Uh, the second one. How on earth can you not be sure?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 04, 2020, 01:25:08 am
Personal assistant to Trump tests positive for coronavirus (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/04/politics/nicholas-luna-body-man-trump-positive-test/index.html)

Chris Christie checks into hospital as a precaution after positive Covid-19 test (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/chris-christie-coronavirus/index.html)

will the last person turn out the lights as they leave the white house for the hospital?  thanks!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2020, 08:47:52 am
Jamie didn't have a snowballs chance in south beach, but as of late...Linsay is really digging his own hole
Saw some clips from his debate and he looks really bad and sounds pathetic...this one could really sink him with his base

Lindsey just proposed that us older folks take less in social security benefits to save the program
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2020, 09:16:01 am
I wonder how many secret service/staff have contracted and we're not ever going to hear about
Nick Luna, one of President Trump’s personal assistants, is the latest White house aide to receive a positive coronavirus
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2020, 01:30:44 pm
Pat Toomey [R] from Pennsylvania will NOT run for re-election in 2022
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2020, 04:20:42 pm
I really don't intend to spread false info, but this was posted by Derek Thompson @DKThomp who writes for the Atlantic
I guess nothing really shocks me anymore about this administration, but this is insane that he went to two fundraisers and knew he tested positive

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjavL0-WoAAdOxl?format=jpg&name=medium)
CAVEAT: The WH is disputing the doctor's timeline, suggesting he misspoke.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 05, 2020, 07:29:55 am
this is how it's done in 2020

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjVUdnHWoAAWfEg.jpg)
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Living/102-year-woman-casts-mail-ballot-ppe-voters/story?id=73389675&cid=social_twitter_abcn
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2020, 08:25:35 am
Words fail me after the last few days...the monster should go from the hospital to the loony bin


29 days
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 05, 2020, 09:31:18 am
jez, they finally gave him his phone back and they broke the CAPS lock key

Dexamethasone: Rare Side Effect of Drug Given to Trump for Covid Includes Grandiose Delusions
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 05, 2020, 11:35:17 am
and now the pres sec Kayleigh McEnany has it

Jez...now they are trying to spin him catching it as a good thing
Trump campaign attacks Joe Biden for lack of ‘firsthand experience’ being infected with COVID-19

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 05, 2020, 11:53:57 am
You just can’t make this stuff up anymore...

Trump campaign attacks Joe Biden for lack of ‘firsthand experience’ being infected with COVID-19

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump-campaign-s-joe-biden-for-lack-of-firsthand-experience-being-infected-with-19/

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 05, 2020, 12:10:09 pm
I guess they are sick of hearing "I like my presidents who don't catch Covid"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 05, 2020, 12:35:50 pm
White House communications aides Chad Gilmartin (cousin of MLB pitcher, Sean Gilmartin - The husband of Kayleigh McEnany) and Karoline Leavitt both have coronavirus,


and in history repeating itself oddness...

Kevin G Shinnick@shinnick_g
For trumpians who make fun of Mr Biden's stutter :
after the mad Emperor Caligula (ruling 3 years 10 months),who squandered wealth, was disposed,  Claudius ,a stutterer oft accused of being slow,ruled for 13 years  9 months,expanding the Empire that had suffered under Caligula.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 05, 2020, 03:03:32 pm
Don’t be afraid of Covid.
-The President of the United States
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on October 05, 2020, 03:04:14 pm
if he comes through this with only mild symptoms, he next says: don't you want a president that has already had the virus? It's too risky to elect someone without antibodies.

called it. do i win anything?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2020, 03:19:51 pm
Don’t be afraid of Covid.
-The President of the United States

This is so offensive to me...it’s beyond the pale

At this point the US constitution might as well be a piece of toilet paper...I mean he should have been removed from office
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 05, 2020, 03:22:55 pm
death cult hell bent on ruining all non (wealthy) straight white males lives...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 05, 2020, 03:28:39 pm
I really didn't think we could top the insanity of news last week, but what was I thinking

guess the only silver lining is no one is even talking about Cal and his texts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 05, 2020, 05:50:58 pm
Don’t be afraid of Covid.
-The President of the United States

a typical course of the disease, for those who have a bad case of it, is for the patient to get better, then fall off a cliff after a week.  it's at this point that they need a respirator, are put into a coma, and sometimes die.

this tweet won't age well if trump gets the second-week return-of-the-covid.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2020, 05:54:07 pm
He knows it’s over...behavior is getting even crazier

It’s a shame the Constitution isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on...this man needs to be removed in a straitjacket

Because he is not he may take all of us with him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 05, 2020, 10:07:20 pm
Y'all get your Trump defeats COVID commemorative coin yet?

https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/trump-defeats-covid.htm
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 05, 2020, 11:54:32 pm
Y'all get your Trump defeats COVID commemorative coin yet?

https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/trump-defeats-covid.htm

(https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/gettyimages-517387760.jpg?w=1024)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2020, 06:20:57 am
Y'all get your Trump defeats COVID commemorative coin yet?

https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/trump-defeats-covid.htm
Might end up being a collector’s item

So since it's not coming out until nov 14th, if Trump dies from covid..do you get a refund?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2020, 11:21:39 am
this ad is just priceless
https://twitter.com/PatinkinMandy/status/1313441423962890242
Hutch...note all the vinyl behind them ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2020, 11:29:06 am
VA is going to be so blue this time around
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ejp0WOaXkAAldX3?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2020, 02:40:13 pm
Lock him up.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1313509849393758208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1313509849393758208%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dcurbanmom.com%2Fjforum%2Fposts%2Flist%2F2010%2F916445.page
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2020, 02:41:09 pm
The Herman Cain timeline:

6/24: Attends Trump rally, maskless

7/2: Tests positive for Covid-19

7/10: Says he’s improving

7/15: Says his doctors seem happy

7/27: Says he’s really getting better

7/30: Dies
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 06, 2020, 05:34:56 pm
Stimulus talks off


Lots of people going to go through a tough time


Trump plan to leave a crashed economy behind....


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 06, 2020, 06:07:07 pm
Matt Gaetz: 'I will never love another president again' (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/matt-gaetz-donald-trump-coronavirus-republican-b835913.html)

i... i... i can't even.

luckily there is twitter that will even for me.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 06, 2020, 07:12:45 pm
Stephen Miller has tested positive.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 06, 2020, 07:24:24 pm
Stephen Miller has tested positive.

oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please... i mean, i know it's bad karma and all, and i tell others not to wish ill on another human being, but oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2020, 07:42:16 pm
Stephen Miller has tested positive.
Ok 2020... you have redeemed yourself a smidge
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 07, 2020, 04:02:51 am
JFC

President Trump says he has "instructed my representatives to stop negotiating" for a new coronavirus relief bill "until after the election;" says he has asked Sen. McConnell to "focus full time on approving my outstanding nominee" to the US Supreme Court

This lame duck session is going to be brutal
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 07, 2020, 05:15:09 am
Facebook said starting Tuesday it would remove any Facebook Pages, Groups, and Instagram accounts representing QAnon even if they do not contain any violent content beginning Tuesday.

Guess I'll believe it when I see it (although I see no QAnon stuff in my feed, so how would I know)
But how will that work when 10 or so elected officials are spreading Q info, will facebook remove posts from an elected official or shut down their account altogether


edit 25 candidates on the ballot in November have "endorsed or given credence to the conspiracy theory or promoted QAnon content."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 07, 2020, 08:54:38 am
Is this the October surprise?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-call-to-declassify-russia-collusion-clinton-documents-sparks-fierce-debate-online
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 07, 2020, 08:59:49 am
Is this the October surprise?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-call-to-declassify-russia-collusion-clinton-documents-sparks-fierce-debate-online
they were hoping it would be, but they hadn't banked on the last 10 days of news
last I checked Hillary isn't running for office, so we'll be sure to not to vote for that crook

“No redactions!” he tweeted.
ok...let's do the meuler report too then
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 07, 2020, 02:38:45 pm
Has nothing crazy happened in 12 hours?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 07, 2020, 10:22:35 pm
Fly on his shit head. Standing back and standing by, Proud Boy Fly!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2020, 10:14:32 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjxgKoSX0AYGmhD?format=jpg&name=small)
Although should have a 6 foot telescoping pole
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2020, 10:16:50 am
I know there has been a long-running argument that this is wasted money...but these seats are looking more gettable day by day

Iowa Democrat Theresa Greenfield raked in a record $28.7 million for her Senate bid in the third quarter of 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 08, 2020, 10:22:23 am
I don’t think the Iowa senate race is not winnable...

But she has plenty of $.... peoplejust tune out the ads after a while


What are you saying? She needs more?

Now Kentucky is not winnable
Texas is not
Mississippi is not
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 08, 2020, 10:26:49 am
The point in Iowa for me is the Senate race is looking winnable


The presidential contest still not really (to me)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 08, 2020, 10:33:52 am
Julian's Senate-winnability rankings

Iowa: winnable.
Montana: where we should be sending money.
SC: winnable if we are in a "GA and TX go Biden" type landslide, which I do not think is the case.
Kentucky: setting money on goddamn fire.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2020, 10:33:58 am

What are you saying? She needs more?

Now Kentucky is not winnable
Texas is not
Mississippi is not
Actually, was just happy to see a big campaign chest...as 12 months ago people would have laughed you out of the room if you thought a Dem could win an Iowa senate seat
KY...man would love it, but I agree
TX...I don't know if I'd totally count them out.  Beto really came within an inch...and there was a mile wide gap before.  Possibly not this election, but the demographics on TX are not in the GOP's favor

GA is looking possible that is somewhat amazing
I hope Lindsay loses too

Heard some interesting stuff on FL too...
Yes the new PR residents vote at like 10% even though almost a million of them moved to FL in the last few years.
I also think we are  going to get 100k felon votes too...that would have cost both scott and desantis their 2018 wins
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2020, 10:38:27 am
Wow! even if this is true why would you ever say this...man those steriods are really making him more whacky than usual
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej0EQiLVkAIOf3B?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2020, 10:47:03 am
I still never understood why coperations and small business don't back ACA or Medicare for all.

Heath insurance costs are insane for business AND individuals

The cost of job-based health insurance averaged more than $21,000 for families and almost $7,500 for individuals in 2020

I would gladly pay $10k more in taxes a year for healthcare for my family if I got a 10K raise...and the business would pocket $10k
Who the fuck would want 'employer paid heath care" if the option was to make more money and get covered under a M4A plan

I know personally, my company paid almost $20k to cover my family and we still had over $4k in out of pocket expenses
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 08, 2020, 10:55:30 am
I still never understood why coperations and small business don't back ACA or Medicare for all.

Heath insurance costs are insane for business AND individuals

The cost of job-based health insurance averaged more than $21,000 for families and almost $7,500 for individuals in 2020

I would gladly pay $10k more in taxes a year for healthcare for my family if I got a 10K raise...and the business would pocket $10k
Who the fuck would want 'employer paid heath care" if the option was to make more money and get covered under a M4A plan

I know personally, my company paid almost $20k to cover my family and we still had over $4k in out of pocket expenses
This always boggles the mind for me too. I have said, basically, this exact logic for 15 years. Removing employer health care costs would be the biggest boon to businesses in our lifetime.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 08, 2020, 12:26:20 pm
Wow, just wow.

https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1314089207875371008
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 08, 2020, 01:01:02 pm
It gets better as there is this

Breaking: The FBI thwarted what they described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/feds-thwart-militia-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer/5922301002

MI is of course where armed cosplaying morons are allowed to walk around the state capitol freely.. and our dear leader tweeted "Liberate Michigan"

and the problem is of course Detroit where unarmed protests occur
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 08, 2020, 01:34:02 pm
Wow, just wow.

https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1314089207875371008

there are no words that can sufficiently describe my disgust.  they aren't even trying to hide their authoritarianism any more.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 08, 2020, 01:45:08 pm
And Mike Lee at one point seemed like one of the smart ones....


It amazes me how many people- and not people who are threatened with starvation or ruin - are gladly willing to sell themselves out for $ and power... I mean it seems like pretty much anyone!

It’s obvious that in the US we have been doing something very wrong....for a long time...to have all these traitors

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 08, 2020, 01:52:29 pm
i'm convinced that the last of the baby boomers are hell bent on taking away from future generations all the benefits and advantages they had... they also want to destroy what small advancements we have made in terms of equality...

as much as i want to be gen x, i unfortunately still qualify as a baby boomer but will til my dying day identify as a baby buster,  so don't be blaming an baby boomer attitude stuff on me :)

PS: The Big Chill is a horrible movie...

PPS: the big chill is prime example of a bunch of yuppie baby boomers being self absorbed, etc  etc
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 08, 2020, 02:00:10 pm
ignore me the caffeine is wearing off
 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 08, 2020, 02:30:04 pm
here is your connected to the present day Michigan factoid

Attempt against #Whitmer is not w/o precedent. While visiting Marquette Prison in July 1950, Gov. G. Mennen Williams was attacked and briefly held hostage by a group of inmates in an escape attempt. Williams had a six-inch knife held to his throat. His attackers overpowered.

https://twitter.com/HistoryLivesDet/status/1314268013865177097?s=20

clink link to see a dapper bow tie wearing governor
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2020, 02:32:29 pm
PS: The Big Chill is a horrible movie...
Decent soundtrack tho...
Listened to hundreds of times on cassette in the family truckster on many car trips from NY-FL and back
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2020, 02:40:47 pm
This medicine, your going to get it free, we're going to get it to you soon, like you need to wait until nov 4th,
it's TOTALLY safe, you know they only developed it a few weeks ago and done a few trials, but totally safe
and free, did I mention free

ya know because Biden, he if he was in charge, he would charge you and wouldn't give it too you
they wouldn't even be trying to figure out,but not me I went in there and I said "you figure this out for America!' and you know what happened, they dr's figured it out..because I was in charge, Biden would have said "don't do it, we need to close all the fracking sites first"

in fact, I heard him say that he was going to give it to illegal immigrants first and they would get it free

Remember when H1N1 was around, killed millions and biden was in charge of stopping it
and he said fuck those Americans, I want to eat dead babies and am going to not do anything about the swine flu
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 08, 2020, 02:54:42 pm
wow and i thought i was going to be the punchiest one today...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 08, 2020, 03:32:40 pm
here is your connected to the present day Michigan factoid

Attempt against #Whitmer is not w/o precedent. While visiting Marquette Prison in July 1950, Gov. G. Mennen Williams was attacked and briefly held hostage by a group of inmates in an escape attempt. Williams had a six-inch knife held to his throat. His attackers overpowered.

https://twitter.com/HistoryLivesDet/status/1314268013865177097?s=20

clink link to see a dapper bow tie wearing governor
Former Georgia governor, Frank Slaton, was basically run out of the state for a decade by wackadoos because he commuted a death sentence to life imprisonment for a Jewish man who was clearly railroaded in a child homicide. (Said Jewish man was broken out of prison and lynched, of course, because . . . Georgia.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 08, 2020, 09:34:52 pm
Pence Covid?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 08, 2020, 09:48:50 pm
It would not be surprising.... the way they run around the White House...


People said he looked like he had “Covid eye”

I find him loathsome
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 09, 2020, 05:52:01 am
Hatch has several fun name change options for today

Because they want to take care of certain little tiny fish, that aren't doing very well without water

a 9th world country, not even a 3rd world country," and says Biden has committed to tearing down buildings and replacing them with "new buildings with tiny windows."



And I can’t quite put my finger on it but why all the tweets about the governor of Michigan and not Maryland... Maryland btw had stricter rules on churches than Michigan.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 09, 2020, 08:16:26 am
Well cause he considers Maryland a blue state so he ignores it...


Michigan he needs

Also he just hates powerful women
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 09, 2020, 10:10:15 am
I am always amazed how the GOP always does such a good job at a clear message from all their members
I didn't realize they were writing their tweets
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej5Ebh6U0AAkDH4?format=jpg&name=medium)
man I really hope she loses
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 09, 2020, 11:48:33 am
Seth said what I was feeling and it makes me sad

Seth Abramson@SethAbramson
This period in American history discredits us before the world. None of us can hope that the rest of the world sees us the same way now—as Americans—as it did before Trump. Having opposed Trump doesn't make any of us any less subject to the degradations he imposed on *all* of us.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 09, 2020, 01:57:46 pm
wow...this is a great idea

Phil Rosenthal@PhilRosenthal
Polling places are being closed and there will be pressure at the remaining ones. I'm teaming up with World Central Kitchen, Pizza to the Polls, local restaurants and food trucks to feed the people who will be on long lines to vote.  Join me:
http://SomebodyFeedthePeople.org
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 09, 2020, 04:14:00 pm
Iran, you're on notice.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1314627983471239168

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 09, 2020, 04:27:28 pm
You're also on notice:

A West Wing Special (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g868M-27qpI)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 10, 2020, 12:03:35 am
You're also on notice:

A West Wing Special (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g868M-27qpI)
I love the ridiculousness that this was done to spur voter registration. The groups of people who (1) want a West Wing reunion and are hyped by Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton being in it and (2) unregistered potential voters, has zero overlap. Zero.

Money on fire.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 12, 2020, 09:14:51 am
I really just want to ignore the confirmation “hearing”... but short of ignoring the internet guess it will be hard to do

I just don’t have the stomach for it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 12, 2020, 12:23:59 pm
Deplorable.

https://newsviews.online/2020/10/10/nurse-who-praised-trumps-covid-response-at-republican-national-convention-is-under-arrest-for-shooting-woman/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 12, 2020, 12:47:20 pm
I love the ridiculousness that this was done to spur voter registration. The groups of people who (1) want a West Wing reunion and are hyped by Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton being in it and (2) unregistered potential voters, has zero overlap. Zero.

Money on fire.

I have no riposte.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 12, 2020, 01:33:37 pm
I love the ridiculousness that this was done to spur voter registration. The groups of people who (1) want a West Wing reunion and are hyped by Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton being in it and (2) unregistered potential voters, has zero overlap. Zero.

Money on fire.

I have no riposte.
Facts only.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 12, 2020, 07:38:58 pm
this made me feel a bit better:

There Will Be No Trump Coup (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/opinion/sunday/trump-election-authoritarianism.html)
A final pre-election case for understanding the president as a noisy weakling, not a budding autocrat.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 13, 2020, 08:50:08 am
496 hours
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 13, 2020, 12:29:43 pm
Who had right wing cosplayers plotting to kidnap the VA governor on their 2020 bingo card?

https://twitter.com/repdonbeyer/status/1316043044970397696?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 13, 2020, 12:54:13 pm
dammit!  i had $10 on michigan, oregon and texas, no VA... guess i've missed the trifecta.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 13, 2020, 12:57:27 pm
I have “Civil War” on mine... I like to think it covers this
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 14, 2020, 09:11:03 am
If the outcome of this election is that I never see these Project Lincoln grifters ever retweeted again, then it will great day...  ooh they make videos that “upset “ him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 14, 2020, 10:44:19 am
these Project Lincoln grifters
they read the room and are lining their pockets.  I don't see how it can really do damage to anyone other than trump.  They all just paid for their grandkids education and the vacation home on the bluff
I just don't think there is a single mouthpiece on the left that could do what they did
They are not miracle workers, but I think they are having an impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 14, 2020, 04:04:15 pm
Saw Ice Cube was trending and thought for sure we'd be adding to the Dropping Like Flies thread.....

Turn out nah, he's just gone MAGA:

https://thesource.com/2020/10/14/trump-administration-thanks-ice-cube-for-assisting-to-develop-the-platinum-plan/

Some in the black community are not having it....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 14, 2020, 07:09:23 pm
People on my neighborhood chat complaining that they're crime victims because their Trump signs were stolen LOL.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 14, 2020, 07:48:59 pm
Be careful


Some people put razor blades on their Trump signs
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 14, 2020, 08:25:52 pm
Be careful


Some people put razor blades on their Trump signs

I am not condoning stealing signs nor will i be stealing signs. I'm just laughing at Trump supporters calllng those who do it criminals.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 14, 2020, 08:35:05 pm
Oh I know just passing it on


I lost three fingers last week


:)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 14, 2020, 08:44:34 pm
Oh I know just passing it on


I lost three fingers last week


:)

Hopefully you started with 13?

Check this out.

http://keepamericagreat.com
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 14, 2020, 10:51:51 pm
Biden has $400 million plus to spend in 19 days


Kind of sucks they were hitting me up for $ yesterday but they knew minute they announced September total was the last minute anyone would consider donating


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2020, 11:38:03 am
Peters is kind of struggling in MI


Is he the most low key senator or what? Never heard of him til this cycle


He really should be doing better
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2020, 12:50:51 pm
Things are really going to shit


http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/goodbye-middle-class-half-of-all-american-workers-made-less-than-34248-45-last-year




In the DC area I would say you need about 200K household income to live ok
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on October 15, 2020, 12:57:44 pm
This is based on reported W2s, correct?  Would it include Students and part time workers?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 15, 2020, 02:28:28 pm
Things are really going to shit


http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/goodbye-middle-class-half-of-all-american-workers-made-less-than-34248-45-last-year

Conservatives demanding "nuclear" families with stay-at-home wives while doing everything they can to prevent them from forming.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2020, 03:04:01 pm
Please don't post the 2020 version of that study.  By then things are going to be so rosie that I don't ever want to look back...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 15, 2020, 04:16:19 pm
Please don't post the 2020 version of that study.  By then things are going to be so rosie that I don't ever want to look back...
What are you talking about, when we get the 2020 study we will show the tremendous gains made from the Trump tax cuts at rasing the middle class.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2020, 05:31:41 pm
Kind of amazing but I been watching the real politics poll average for battleground states and Hillary consistently outperformed Biden


There are caveats like the third party vote but still for someone that people continually insist ran such a terrible campaign! And she had the disadvantages of not running against a man at the helm under a widespread recession butchering the response to the pandemic


Of course we are not yet at the point in the calendar of the Comey surprise

But confirmation bias is real and everyone presented with same facts sees what they want to see
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2020, 05:33:22 pm
Things are really going to shit


http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/goodbye-middle-class-half-of-all-american-workers-made-less-than-34248-45-last-year




In the DC area I would say you need about 200K household income to live ok

Well 8 million new poor since May

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2020, 07:10:05 pm
Both Snoop Dogg and Shaq voting for first time


I know I shouldn’t be surprised but I am....


I didn’t vote one time- decades ago- and have felt terrible ever since!

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 15, 2020, 10:58:07 pm
Kind of amazing but I been watching the real politics poll average for battleground states and Hillary consistently outperformed Biden
I don’t want to be adversarial but this is just anti factual. Let me show you how tomorrow when I have a better copy and paste situation at my hands.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 16, 2020, 06:18:41 am
Asking for a friend.. are any democratic run cities burning down at the moment?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 16, 2020, 07:16:12 am
Asking for a friend.. are any democratic run cities burning down at the moment?
the apocalypse is happening in the suburbs...where I think you live...have you looked outside your window?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 16, 2020, 07:40:04 am
Asking for a friend.. are any democratic run cities burning down at the moment?
the apocalypse is happening in the suburbs...where I think you live...have you looked outside your window?

Yeah but all I see is a Vegan Restaurant and drum circles... oh wait this must be ground zero for the apocalypse
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 16, 2020, 08:04:16 am
Man if only they spent all the effort they do on spin into i dunno a health care plan maybe this would be a better nation

Trump campaign statement

"President Trump soundly defeated NBC’s Savannah Guthrie in her role as debate opponent and Joe Biden surrogate. President Trump masterfully handled Guthrie’s attacks and interacted warmly and effectively with the voters in the room. "
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on October 16, 2020, 09:37:02 am
Effectively? I’m not sure he’s effectively answered a question in months.

I did think the circus was a bit too combative. Guthrie was on him from the get-go and I am not convinced she was the right person for the job.

Then again, neither was he.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 16, 2020, 10:06:54 am
Guthrie handled Donald Trump the exact way every journalist should. I fully support her being named Attorney General.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 16, 2020, 10:19:37 am
Guthrie handled Donald Trump the exact way every journalist should. I fully support her being named Attorney General.

+1
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 16, 2020, 11:34:12 am
It’s a relief to know that Satirical Lives Matter... Remember he’s really just a crazy uncle retweeting someone else’s opinion

Oopsee didn’t realize Babylon Bee was a lame conservative version of the Onion.. no need to amplify that shit.


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2020, 11:42:26 am
Biden tops Trump in last night ratings??


Didn’t see that coming
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 16, 2020, 11:56:00 am
Biden tops Trump in last night ratings??


Didn’t see that coming
Source?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 16, 2020, 12:02:48 pm
Biden tops Trump in last night ratings??


Didn’t see that coming
Source?

Google it. There are several sources.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2020, 12:15:28 pm
Sludge...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2020, 12:16:22 pm
12.7 million to 10.4 million


https://www.thewrap.com/early-ratings-biden-town-hall-beats-trump-abc-nbc/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 16, 2020, 12:16:33 pm
not surprised that joey got better ratings than trumpster fire - and gawd that just gave me a jolt.  the prez is FUMING over that fact right now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 16, 2020, 12:22:53 pm
not surprised that joey got better ratings than trumpster fire - and gawd that just gave me a jolt.  the prez is FUMING over that fact right now.
Especially since supposedly he talked internally about how he wanted to embarrass Biden in the ratings. Hilarious.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2020, 12:26:14 pm
I really thought more people would watch Trump for the clown show aspect


People seem tired of his act


Anyways it’s encouraging
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 16, 2020, 12:36:11 pm
I really thought more people would watch Trump for the clown show aspect
I also thought this.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: evilizac on October 16, 2020, 01:28:54 pm
I know I'm exactly the audience, but I feel like we are seeing the best side of Joe Biden. I mean, the post townhall shots of Joe just appearing to "chat" with the folks in the crowd shows the greater difference between the two candidates as people.
I don't know if anyone outside of my sphere actually sees that though, so who knows. People out there think Dems eat babies.
I feel like Guthrie should have said, you're the President of the United States of America, you should be the most informed person in the country/world, do you believe that Tom Hanks, Joe Biden, Hilary Clinton and others drink the blood of babies.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2020, 01:51:05 pm
At this point it’s all about motivating people to vote....

We know what polls say but it really comes down to who bothers to vote and where!


There just are very few undecided voters but there are a ton of people who know their preference but wondering if it’s worth the hassle to vote....some people have to decide wether to give up 5 hours to stand in line etc.its often very cold...it’s a work day....covid....ugh. Anything Biden can do to get people excited to vote for him is important

By sheer luck or not I think Biden is doing great... like yesterday was that by design or is it just him and his staffers just let him go with it? Whatever it was it’s great

How can we be so ass backwards about voting rights? It’s shameful and infuriating
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on October 16, 2020, 02:01:33 pm
I really don’t understand how people can be undecided at this point. Perhaps these are folks who prefer not to say.

I read earlier this week that Graham has taken a lead in SC. Very disappointing.

And thanks for nothing Gov. Hogan. Some example he is setting there.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 16, 2020, 02:49:35 pm
Remember he’s really just a crazy uncle retweeting someone else’s opinion

Mary L Trump
@MaryLTrump
·
17h
Actually . . .

Quote Tweet

Philippe Reines
@PhilippeReines
 · 18h
Need to take issue with @SavannahGuthrie for saying to trump “it’s not like you’re someone’s crazy uncle.”

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 17, 2020, 12:35:15 am
Bizarre that we are 17 days out and Trump has failed to inject his two biggest issues into the campaign... the issues that arguably got him elected:


1.  Illegal immigration
2.  Terrorism


I suppose on terrorism - knock on wood-there haven’t been any big attacks... like sayParis or San Bernardino

But if we recall 2016 that’s what we were all talking about...things like the Muslim ban etc

It’s been very different so far this time around
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 17, 2020, 09:14:48 am
MAGA crowd seems to be taking the COVID seriously
Georgia Rep. Vernon Jones crowd surfs during a President rally at Middle Georgia Regional Airport in #Macon, Friday, October 16, 2020.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eke7uARXIAAzslq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 17, 2020, 09:26:39 am
Less than 400 hours
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 17, 2020, 11:49:29 am
At this point I am more worried about Trump or his aides doing something really untoward and stupid -something dastardly- to try to change the dynamics of the race...

We all know how Trump would use a - god forbid- non white terrorist attack... there are a lot of $ at stake and a lot of players in the Middle East - national and sub national actors within countries- with close ties to terrorist actors

We all know the Saudis and Israelis would love to promote conflict with Iran and avoid a Biden presidency

But probably about 25%  of US voters will have done so by tomorrow....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 18, 2020, 04:59:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW86jyTsYe4

Biden campaign ad shot at The Blind Pig in Ann Arbor featuring music from Pixies, Breeders and Beastie Boys.  First time ever for a ad licensed Beasties track.. Joe and Kamala walk across the screen to Sabotage

Also, an excellent example of the Save Our Stages campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 18, 2020, 05:48:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW86jyTsYe4

Biden campaign ad shot at The Blind Pig in Ann Arbor featuring music from Pixies, Breeders and Beastie Boys.  First time ever for a ad licensed Beasties track.. Joe and Kamala walk across the screen to Sabotage

Also, an excellent example of the Save Our Stages campaign
Awesome. The number of shows I’ve seen there. Oh baby.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 18, 2020, 11:26:58 pm
Reading predictions of 65% turnout (150 million)

I am skeptical but...
If we really see that many people vote I think it introduces uncertainty with respect to all the polls we are seeing...

For reference, we haven’t ever got even close to 65% in my lifetime!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/2020-election-record-turnout-mail-voting-michael-mcdonald-b841845.html

If we got that high it would surely mean a lot of people that never or hardly ever vote would have voted... one would think polling would find it hard to predict who these people are

And don’t assume they would be D voters... as we know many lower education level voters - who tend to vote less - gravitate towards Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 19, 2020, 05:46:39 am
27 million votes already cast!!! and a refrigerator sized asteroid due nov 2nd!!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 19, 2020, 11:20:57 am
So the final gambit is to keep ratcheting up conspiracy theories about Hunter’s laptop?  That story just gets more and more ridiculous...

And why aren’t Biden surrogates highlighting the actual stuff 45s offspring have been caught doing, nevermind the security  costs that they have racked up... not that matters to his cult, because Obama played golf a couple times
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 19, 2020, 01:35:43 pm
Rest of the strategy appears to be dismissing science, claiming all news is fake and probably stroking more ill will  towards any blue state governor

Oh it appears faux news passed on the Hunter laptop story because they didn’t find it credible,  which of course means OAN is running the story non stop
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 19, 2020, 02:07:30 pm
(https://external-preview.redd.it/HksyukXaGbiswB6SQechj-8cnPQRsJSDxWHMGvAU50Y.jpg?auto=webp&s=96327a403dd7d064f1cf4b5b01af9457edf1474d)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 19, 2020, 02:21:52 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EktctFAXEAMOCco?format=jpg&name=900x900) (https://twitter.com/tomfeister/status/1318249384748961794)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on October 19, 2020, 02:25:12 pm
Those last two signs are awesome.

Did my civic duty today. Nothing left to do but wait.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 19, 2020, 02:37:41 pm
Haven't seen one in person yet, but loving this:

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0067/9726/2903/products/ChingatumagaYardSign2.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 19, 2020, 03:19:08 pm
^ i lol'ed out loud.  awesome.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 19, 2020, 10:31:52 pm
this could be interesting

Commission approves rules to mute mics at final Trump-Biden debate
 (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521791-commission-approves-rules-to-mute-mics-at-final-trump-biden-debate)

“Both campaigns this week again reaffirmed their agreement to the two-minute, uninterrupted rule. The Commission is announcing today that in order to enforce this agreed upon rule, the only candidate whose microphone will be open during these two-minute periods is the candidate who has the floor under the rules,”


It's like dealing with pre-schoolers
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 19, 2020, 10:34:48 pm
I wonder if debate will happen?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 20, 2020, 04:01:41 am
how pathetic that this is the state of our politics - what's next, offering a pacifier to the debater who doesn't have the mic?

I wonder if debate will happen?

valid question.  trump had indicated after the first debate that he wouldn't accept having his mic turned off ("why should i, when i won the first debate?"). 

smart/sneaky how the commission did this: first got the campaigns to agree to a principle (2 minutes of uninterrupted opening statements), then BOOM hit them with the mute rule.  it's going to be hard for the campaigns to object now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 11:30:52 am
It’s amazing how many people have already voted and in some key states...NC/GA/MI/VA/FL/AZ already have over 30% of total votes from 2016


Unless the polls are wrong -and they could be as in many states the difference between Trump and Biden is less than 3% - or turnout of Trump’s base explodes you would have to think this increases the level of difficulty for Trump

Because we know for a fact Trump thinks he is behind or he wouldn’t be campaigning in GA and NC!

On the other hand we also know Trump thought he was behind in 2016.....and he was until Comey...the difference is not that many people were early voting in 2016...that makes it more difficult to turn it around

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on October 20, 2020, 12:15:49 pm
It's like dealing with pre-schoolers

Remember, turning off the mic is only a benefit for the viewers.  The debaters will still be able to hear each other and will still serve as a distraction.

Just like a couple of pre-schoolers.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 12:46:14 pm
On the other hand we also know Trump thought he was behind in 2016.....and he was until Comey...the difference is not that many people were early voting in 2016...that makes it more difficult to turn it around
I'm still worried for October surprises...I'm thinking of race war/terror attack
I kind of thought the vaccine/cure was going to be it, but at this point, not enough time

What doesn't look good is basically the major spike in Covid cases is a Red state map...MAGA's with family/neighbors are going to be greatly impacted, unlike in the Spring when it hit the Blue states hard
That will have to have an impact on support in those areas...we really only need 1% swing in some states

in 2016...people were not excited and thought Hil was a shoe-in
additionally, there were TONS of undecided and third-party candidates that were getting tons of support in those key states
the microtargetng in 2016 was also very effective
I just don't think with the increased turnout that trump can pull this off

I heard · Mike Madrid say that it's possible 160 million votes could be cast in 2020 (137 were in 2016)
if that actually happens, there is zero chance that trump can pull off an EC win
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 12:52:16 pm
Pat Robertson reports that he has been told by God that Trump will win reelection ... and it will bring about the beginning of the End Times

hmm...Vote Trump, will bring on End Times?!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 01:04:38 pm
Did you actually read my post about turnout?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 20, 2020, 01:07:40 pm
Pat Robertson reports that he has been told by God that Trump will win reelection ... and it will bring about the beginning of the End Times

hmm...Vote Trump, will bring on End Times?!

fundamentalists, of many different stripes, want this.  they want the final judgement, they want this life to be over and start the eternal life with their savior etc etc etc.  so yeah, having a religious leader say that a trump reelection with being about Armageddon is a strong selling point for the fundies.  it'll get them to the polls, if abortion hasn't already.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 01:11:39 pm
Did you actually read my post about turnout?
you are a radical Democrat. But I know you!  You've been screaming questions at me for a long time. You're no good.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 01:31:35 pm
Interesting

https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-twitter-facebook-engagement-trump-e74d2504-eec3-4fbf-8dac-b21fd0df0c7a.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 01:38:18 pm
stole this...but it's good
It’s officially Donald Trump’s two week notice!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 01:56:48 pm
John Stamos has volunteered to join the cast of #HappyDays for their upcoming virtual reunion as this character


Sorry Chachi
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 06:53:59 pm
Yes 25.6% of number of people that voted in 2016  have voted early so far but I would like to know how that compares to this point in 2016


After all 41% of people that voted in 2016 voted early....


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 20, 2020, 08:11:08 pm
some people have wondered why we haven't heard much from trump's youngest daughter, tiffany.  thanks to her performance at a LGBTQ event event in FL, we now know why: she's a trainwreck.  first two minutes of speech here (https://twitter.com/DGComedy/status/1318379305915723776).  she has such classic lines as “I know what my father believes in. Prior to politics, he supported gays, lesbians, the LGBQIIA+ community.”  the comments on twitter have been awesome.  my two favs:
- she made a point of omitting the "T" (trans) in LGBTQ/LGBTQIA+, several times. accordingly, one person quipped "Her name henceforth will be #IffanyRump"
- "Worst drag show ever" <-- i died.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 08:14:45 pm
I had hope for her but she sold out... still, can’t be easy to be Trump’s unwanted and only child from his marriage with Marla.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 09:46:10 pm
Interesting


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/bloomberg-trump-florida-spending-430236
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 10:02:24 pm
Interesting


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/bloomberg-trump-florida-spending-430236
Nice Princess Bride Ref...“Basically, Trump has now been committed to the equivalent of land war in Asia"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 10:21:14 pm
That’s not a movie reference dude! That’s history... Napoleon, Hitler etc
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 10:35:05 pm
That’s not a movie reference dude! That’s history... Napoleon, Hitler etc
wouldn’t that be just a war with Russia... not Asia?
.. but I am certain that it is a reference to a classic blunder
Can someone back me up on this
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 10:41:57 pm
Russia is half or more in Asia.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 10:43:33 pm
Same concept applies, of course, to Afghanistan since time in memoriam
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 11:04:43 am
(https://fathomingtheocean.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/tumbler-vizzini.gif)


in other news....Over 39 million ballots have been cast in early voting states as of Wednesday.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 11:10:49 am
well...Steve Schale (who was quoted in this article) has weighed in on this important topic
https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/1318931672885243906
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 21, 2020, 11:18:29 am


 ;D

So how do you take it? I think it’s ambiguous...


It’s pretty funny that we are far from the only ones arguing about this!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 11:20:49 am


 ;D

So how do you take it? I think it’s ambiguous...


It’s pretty funny that we are far from the only ones arguing about this!
Pretty much every response from that Caputo tweet was a ref to the princess bride
https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1318683015351029765

although he didn't help me win the bet ...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 11:26:30 am
Pat Robertson reports that he has been told by God that Trump will win reelection ... and it will bring about the beginning of the End Times

hmm...Vote Trump, will bring on End Times?!

I think these televangelists need to be careful how they phrase these things...as this might appeal to some of their flock to vote biden

Televangelist: If Trump Doesn’t Win, Having Sex with Cows Will Become Legal  (https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1318597860359766017)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 21, 2020, 11:27:01 am
Just realized you asked the question


That’s funny


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 11:28:37 am
That’s funny
I'm here all week...don't forget to tip the waitstaph
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 01:47:49 pm
Borat strikes again!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek3slOeVgAASRYd?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 21, 2020, 02:24:12 pm
Mitt did not vote for Trump.


I realize it’s not going to swing Utah but I find it laudable that he would state it publicly


I realize we are all angry about his impending vote to confirm Barrett....

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 21, 2020, 02:32:08 pm
This is the data I been looking for since yesterday

http://www.electproject.org/early_2016
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 21, 2020, 02:38:37 pm
So after a cursory look at the data  it seems to me early voting was up about 150% with two weeks to go compared to 2016.

Georgia - a state I am watching closely and am hopeful about- has already hit its 2016 early voting total.


There are a lot of possible interpretations and implications....

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 21, 2020, 02:52:45 pm
(https://i.redd.it/4sq7ayclc2u51.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 03:00:41 pm
sweets, get with the program, Justin Tonation posted that like 3 days ago
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 03:06:35 pm
man do I regret putting my email on some of the political donations this year

I made small donations to a bunch of different races and am just getting my inbox pummeled, why oh why didn't I use a burner email
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 21, 2020, 03:08:04 pm
The donation emails are so annoying


It’s taking strength not to send Biden some more money
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 21, 2020, 03:20:20 pm
Sorry, meant to put this here.

What's wrong with the turtle's hands?

https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/1318933175436009475
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 03:22:15 pm
It’s taking strength not to send Biden some more money
My focus has been on the senate and a few house races, I gave to Biden early on...Won't stop Barack from reaching out to me

I'm glad bloomie is flooding FL!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 21, 2020, 03:23:53 pm
Remember when ggw supported this guy for president?

https://twitter.com/kpfallon/status/1318965091203731458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1318965091203731458%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3%2Ccontainerclick_1&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dcurbanmom.com%2Fjforum%2Fposts%2Flist%2F30%2F920042.page
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 21, 2020, 06:38:51 pm
If only Biden could hit Trump hard on covid tomorrow...numbers today are looking bad


“What’s the plan man?!? You sir are the President. What are you going to do? We are leading the World in deaths for over 7 months! China is down to like 0 deaths...where is the plan??? And I want to offer a moment of respect for the 225,000 Americans who have died just so far....if this keeps up we are going to lose hundreds of thousands more good Americans”



Anything.. it’s a slam dunk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2020, 06:56:18 pm
these table reads are just weird...
(https://assets.dmagstatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Untitled-1-copy.jpg)

on demand in case you missed it
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/vl-dazedvod?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 21, 2020, 07:57:11 pm
oh boy... here we go:

U.S. government concludes Iran was behind threatening emails sent to Democrats (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/10/20/proud-boys-emails-florida/)
The deceptive campaign made use of an Internet domain associated with the far-right Proud Boys
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 22, 2020, 12:43:20 am
^ Ruskies say #metoo (https://cnn.it/3jfq0UB)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 22, 2020, 08:14:35 am
This random article caught my eye because my in-laws live near the town it took place. At first I thought it was sarcasm or satire, but sadly it's not.

https://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/trump-supporters-flood-valpo-park-in-get-out-the-vote-rally/article_747aca4f-8429-52ac-90a6-74e2e084706b.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 22, 2020, 09:00:58 am
all i have to say is that if the Bidens are as corrupt as Mr. Tuck is alleging, then they are doing a fine job of keeping it out of sight which should be worth of support.  unlike others whose corruption is out in plain sight for all to see...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 22, 2020, 09:12:34 am
all i have to say is that if the Bidens are as corrupt as Mr. Tuck is alleging, then they are doing a fine job of keeping it out of sight which should be worth of support.  unlike others whose corruption is out in plain sight for all to see...

I don't know who Mr. Tuck is. But I think it really comes down to what media you pay attention to. Every time I look at conservative media sources, it's all about how corrupt Joe and Hunter are. And zero about the corruption of Trump and his lackeys.

Every time I look at CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc, it's always about Trump's corruption, with not a negative word said about Joe and Hunter.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 22, 2020, 09:17:54 am
Mr. Tuck is the beloved ex-mayor from NYC whose life mission is to uncover Biden corruption including working with a blind Apple repair shop owner to find the smoking gun... you see he was just tucking in his shirt in the Borat movie.. and i expect Hatch to adopt tuck soon
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 09:49:14 am
all i have to say is that if the Bidens are as corrupt as Mr. Tuck is alleging, then they are doing a fine job of keeping it out of sight which should be worth of support.  unlike others whose corruption is out in plain sight for all to see...

I don't know who Mr. Tuck is. But I think it really comes down to what media you pay attention to. Every time I look at conservative media sources, it's all about how corrupt Joe and Hunter are. And zero about the corruption of Trump and his lackeys.

Every time I look at CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc, it's always about Trump's corruption, with not a negative word said about Joe and Hunter.


The way you equate the two is very troubling.




There is nothing there with Biden. Nothing there illegal.. or don’t you think he would have been charged by Barr’s Department of “Justice”


There is nothing but corruption with Trump.


Bothsidesism is killing America. Stop it!


I am reminded of a debate between two VP candidates where one told 100 lies and the other 1 and CNN concluded they both lied.


You are better than this! Equating CNN with Fox? Please go buy a clue.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 10:01:46 am
At some point today we will eclipse the entire early vote for 2016 or about 46,220,000 votes.


We are at about 45,272,000 currently.


With about 11 days to go...

How high will the early vote go? I think that is anyone’s guess....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 22, 2020, 10:11:16 am
all i have to say is that if the Bidens are as corrupt as Mr. Tuck is alleging, then they are doing a fine job of keeping it out of sight which should be worth of support.  unlike others whose corruption is out in plain sight for all to see...

I don't know who Mr. Tuck is. But I think it really comes down to what media you pay attention to. Every time I look at conservative media sources, it's all about how corrupt Joe and Hunter are. And zero about the corruption of Trump and his lackeys.

Every time I look at CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc, it's always about Trump's corruption, with not a negative word said about Joe and Hunter.


The way you equate the two is very troubling.




There is nothing there with Biden. Nothing there illegal.. or don’t you think he would have been charged by Barr’s Department of “Justice”


There is nothing but corruption with Trump.


Bothsidesism is killing America. Stop it!


I am reminded of a debate between two VP candidates where one told 100 lies and the other 1 and CNN concluded they both lied.


You are better than this! Equating CNN with Fox? Please go buy a clue.

*I* don't equate CNN with Fox. I get my news from CNN. However, I occasionally look at Fox (while rolling my eyes) to see what the other side is getting.

But just as I don't equate CNN with Fox, neither does the other side. They think Fox is the news, and roll their eyes at CNN.

So my point is, what you think is fact is 99% dependent on which news you believe. I don't think anybody on either side thinks CNN and Fox are equivalent.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 10:34:39 am
Well one is news and the other a state propaganda death cult..

Guess I missed that in your original post


Seems important but as you continue to write “depends on which news you believe” I still don’t think you are quite getting it

But now I have to go
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 22, 2020, 10:43:19 am
Well one is news and the other a state propaganda death cult..

Guess I missed that in your original post


Seems important but as you continue to write “depends on which news you believe” I still don’t think you are quite getting it

But now I have to go

Read the quotes from people in this article I posted. These people clearly believe Fox News and think CNN is fake news.

https://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/trump-supporters-flood-valpo-park-in-get-out-the-vote-rally/article_747aca4f-8429-52ac-90a6-74e2e084706b.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 10:45:35 am
In other shocking news people in North Korea believe the local “news”...



This message has been brought to you by Captain Obvious
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 22, 2020, 11:01:19 am
In other shocking news people in North Korea believe the local “news”...



This message has been brought to you by Captain Obvious

There are a lot of uneducated people who lack critical thinking skills in this big old world.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 11:37:37 am
Ain’t that the truth!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 22, 2020, 12:26:39 pm
#BeBest

Trump's Twitter account hacked after Dutch researcher guessed password
Victor Gevers had access to president’s direct messages and could post tweets after trying the password ‘maga2020!’

Warning there is a whole lot of Borat on display in ads on this page

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/22/trump-twitter-hacked-dutch-researcher-password
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 12:29:54 pm
I just cannot believe this man is in charge of nukes
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 01:04:22 pm
And there it is: with 12 days to go more people have voted early this election cycle than the entirety of those voting early in 2016... over 46,320,000 so far


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 22, 2020, 01:53:48 pm
So our dear leader decided it was best to leak his 60 minutes interview early because he had a temper tantrum about being asked “tough” questions and admitted to wanting to have Obamacare overturned... cool stuff for the masses with a potential audience larger than those who would have seen it on 60 minutes...

Also his spawn is making baseless claims about Hunter Biden  ::)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 02:00:17 pm
There is something very wrong with his base of white men about what it means to be a man. They look at Trump and see a tough guy who doesn’t take crap while they see Biden hug his son and think he is weak and effeminate.


This may be the central issue...the fault line in this election.

What happened to white men in this country? What did this to them? And how do we fight it and end it?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 02:16:35 pm
And that’s why this ad:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1319247130809278464?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 22, 2020, 02:27:49 pm
centuries of history are what did it to white men and now that their importance is being challenged and eroded they are depending on wealthy straight white men to keep their status up

also the baby boomers seem to really want to take away every advantage they had from future generations..

fighting it will require more  liked members of the Squad in positions that can make progress

and less of the Georgia wack jobs who embrace then back away from QAnon when it becomes controversial

plus the NRA needs to put out of business
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 22, 2020, 06:23:40 pm
This is the world we live in... sad conservatives threaten Blind Pig Owner over ad

Joe Biden Ad Featuring Struggling Music Venue Pulled After Owner Received Threats
“The price for having a voice in our political process cannot be endless harassment,” Biden spokesperson says



https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/joe-biden-blind-pig-ad-removed-owner-threats-1079908/

It was revealed the owner is a wealthy investor, but the Biden Campaign knew this.  And of course it’s all the Governor of MI fault the venue is struggling

Sad Sad people who make death threats over anything that runs contrary to their narrow view of the world

Better article from the local press

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/10/22/joe-bidens-blind-pig-ad-removed-due-to-threats-against-club-owner
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 22, 2020, 07:36:47 pm
So our dear leader decided it was best to leak his 60 minutes interview early because he had a temper tantrum about being asked “tough” questions and admitted to wanting to have Obamacare overturned... cool stuff for the masses with a potential audience larger than those who would have seen it on 60 minutes...

for trump, nothing is more important than ratings.  i'm positive he thought he could get back at 60 minutes, and get back at 'em good, by releasing his copy early and "ruining their ratings."  obviously he's too short-sighted to see the damage that he's doing to himself, like the fact that he has expanded the overall audience for this interview by tweeting the video.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2020, 07:51:16 pm
Mayor Pete has been on fire ( for Democratic Party standards...)


https://twitter.com/grantstern/status/1319422475101491200?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 23, 2020, 12:06:07 am
So what’s up with Mitch?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2020, 04:10:36 am
So what’s up with Mitch?

absolutely nothing, according to mitch.  nothing to see here.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 23, 2020, 09:51:43 am
Just in the past 24 hours the website that tracks early voting has registered an additional 5 million early votes


Currently at over 50 million early votes


I find that encouraging...particularly looking at GA and NC

It’s going to be fascinating to see where we stand Monday morning...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 23, 2020, 09:52:43 am
Get those souls to the polls!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2020, 12:48:02 pm
The Love - Black Eyed Peas and Jennifer Hudson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Jk7LPpY8pXM) (and ella baker... and joe biden!)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 23, 2020, 01:10:34 pm
Get those souls to the polls!
Just got back from early voting. So add one to your figures. There was a few other people there too.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 23, 2020, 06:10:17 pm
https://trumpcovidplan.com/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 23, 2020, 06:10:54 pm
Get those souls to the polls!
Just got back from early voting. So add one to your figures. There was a few other people there too.
conflicted here as I thought we determined you have no soul?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2020, 07:16:17 pm
https://trumpcovidplan.com/

bravo.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 23, 2020, 10:34:27 pm
Get those souls to the polls!
Just got back from early voting. So add one to your figures. There was a few other people there too.
conflicted here as I thought we determined you have no soul?
Actually not a requirement to vote.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 23, 2020, 10:57:33 pm
Get those souls to the polls!
Just got back from early voting. So add one to your figures. There was a few other people there too.
conflicted here as I thought we determined you have no soul?
Actually not a requirement to vote.
Can confirm
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 24, 2020, 07:39:59 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElG_6DtVMAU-Tay?format=jpg&name=large)
Wow!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 24, 2020, 08:28:35 pm
Ok I like people voting as much as the next guy but



Don’t you think in 2016 we were told based on early voting in Florida Hillary was going to win there? I remember it... she got her clock cleaned

Also just cause people vote early it’s not really different in the end with voting on Election Day...your vote doesn’t count double! Moreover we don’t necessarily know who the votes are for!

I agree more voting is good but we don’t even know how much of it is anything other than people voting early due to covid19

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 24, 2020, 09:21:14 pm
Look at the age group... we know who they are voting for
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 24, 2020, 09:28:47 pm
Well I hope you are right...


Like I said, I like people voting


But people made similar assumptions about FL going for Hillary in 2016 based on early voting...other states too...I think North Carolina

Of course we had the Comey surprise...

Things do look good...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 24, 2020, 10:24:52 pm
Biden heads to Georgia Tuesday
First time a Democrat presidential candidate heads there since 1992...

they think it’s really in play and/or want to signal strength and confidence

I really think NC/GA/FL are a pathway to the presidency for Joe.... A possible alternative or insurance to the PA/MI/WI route

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 25, 2020, 10:44:24 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElIVChJU8AAGzMl?format=jpg&name=large)
Although having Dave Matthews makes me want to vote trump ;)


LOX HIM UP!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElIUcTnX0AAmPST?format=jpg&name=small)

@AndyOstroy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 25, 2020, 02:54:41 pm
Kamala to Texas on Friday.... got to maximize vote in Harris County.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on October 25, 2020, 05:09:18 pm
It is easy to see an electoral college tie, a Biden rout, or a Trump squeaker. I don't drink much or do any drugs: I think a friendly light-coma would be good right about now. Instead, spending time in the basement with the cats, listening to records. Wake me in 10 days or so.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 26, 2020, 09:26:34 am
so now that the hunter biden october surprise isn't sticking.. next strategy is blame the media for reporting on COVID.. just need to stick him on island somewhere
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 26, 2020, 01:51:06 pm
If only those Blacks weren’t so damn lazy. If they don’t succeed, it’s because they don’t want to succeed!


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/522752...-have-to-want-to-be-successful


White House senior adviser Jared Kushner said Monday that in order for the president’s policies to be most effective, Black Americans must want to succeed.

“One thing we’ve seen in a lot of the Black community, which is mostly Democrat, is that President Trump’s policies are the policies that can help people break out of the problems that they’re complaining about,” Kushner, who is Trump's son-in-law, said during a Fox News interview. “But he can’t want them to be successful more than they want to be successful.”

“What you’re seeing throughout the country now is a groundswell of support in the Black community because they’re realizing that all the different bad things that the media and the Democrats have said about President Trump are not true and so they’re seeing that he’s actually delivered,” Kushner added.

His comments come just eight days before the election, with nationwide polls consistently showing Trump trailing Democratic nominee Joe Biden, who also leads in many battleground states.

Black voter turnout hit a 20-year low in 2016 and both campaigns have focused heavily on courting Black Americans. Historically, Republican presidential candidates have done poorly with Black voters, but Trump garnered double digit support among Black men in 2016.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 27, 2020, 10:04:18 am
The whole Justice Barrett confirmation on top of Kavanaugh on top of Merrick Garland just really depresses and angers  me...


And the way they rub it in my face...

I just don’t think democrats will do anything about it no matter what happens this election

I got some rage right now
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 27, 2020, 12:36:48 pm
And the way they rub it in my face...
this is one of my biggest gripes and then they are all like "obama created soo much division, Nancy doesn't want to work with us" It's such bullshit, they don't want to compromise, they will never do something because 'it's the right and decent thing to do'

It's all about power and when they have it the rule with such arrogance and cruelty

What pisses me off is the 'both sides do it' argument, which is such bullshit
yes when the dems are in power they will sometimes abuse it, but more often than not they abide by gentleman's agreements and don't make them suffer such blatant public shaming
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 27, 2020, 02:57:48 pm
lots of BS floating about on the sham that occurred last night, but little marco really stepped in by saying 52 legitimately elected senators cast votes... lets go to the tape shall we... two of those legitimately elected senator were actually appointed to replace elected senators who are pushing up the daisies  and one of them lost their race to become senator and was later put into replace McCain... i know minor point but shows the sham for what it's worth..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on October 27, 2020, 03:32:56 pm
/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 27, 2020, 03:40:46 pm
Race tightening?


68 million already voted
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 28, 2020, 09:13:59 am
George Carlin’s words- “They don’t give a fuck about you” -come to mind


https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Hundreds-of-Trump-supporters-stuck-in-the-cold-15680489.php
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 28, 2020, 09:33:04 am
yup leaving a bunch of old white americans in the dark and bitter cold is very on brand for out dear leader... some of which had to hospitalized...

it's also telling that he had to campaign in Omaha in the first place

i'm sure he'll find some entity to blame for the fiasco and the fine tax payers of Omaha will be stuck with the bill
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 28, 2020, 08:35:55 pm
2020 election spending is expected to hit nearly $14 billion

Yowza
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 28, 2020, 09:14:04 pm
Faux news is the twilight zone


How dumb do you have to be to believe this stuff!?

https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1321615415739441152?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 28, 2020, 11:23:00 pm
More from the twilight zone

https://twitter.com/morethanmySLE/status/1321650759759441920?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 09:13:31 am
Faux news is the twilight zone


How dumb do you have to be to believe this stuff!?

https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1321615415739441152?s=20
This is funny
https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9
Fox News won a court case by 'persuasively' arguing that no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously

Even the Fox lawyers can make a case that no one takes him seriously...but sadly their viewers do
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 09:17:59 am
More from the twilight zone

https://twitter.com/morethanmySLE/status/1321650759759441920?s=20
Man, I really don't like Kennedy, but that takes some cajones to say that on Fox (business tho...does anyone watch that?)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 09:40:15 am

It takes furniture drawers?!?

I was surprised about how dismissive she was of Rudy....


I mean she is right but to talk to Rudy that way...”man”!


Somehow I don’t think she is going to his office today
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 09:56:22 am
FIVE DAYS!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 10:01:01 am

It takes furniture drawers?!?

I'm illiterate in multiple languages!
but you know exactly what I meant too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 29, 2020, 10:33:06 am
Wisconsin Repubs already a hot mess of anti-masking, over reaching and voter suppression... couldn't happen to a nicer group of bottom feeders

 Wisconsin Republican Party says hackers stole $2.3 million

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-wisconsin-elections-641a8174e51077703888e2fa89070e12
l
ooks like they were phished and that cash is needed for last minute election stuff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 12:58:38 pm
1. Biden
2. Kamala
2. Sanders



Franken much as I love him is done
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 12:59:44 pm
Ok...midterms have terminated

early contenders for Dem Nomination?

Beto
Cory Booker
Gavin Newsom
Al Franken?!

No longer contenders
Hil
Bernie
Liz Warren


The first post on this thread is comical in how wrong it turned out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 29, 2020, 01:16:40 pm
"You have to hand it to Jared Kushner, because that's the only way he's ever achieved or accomplished anything in his whole life."

A+
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 01:45:19 pm
The first post on this thread is comical in how wrong it turned out
ouch
Don't use my words against me!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 01:50:28 pm
Sexy Veagan (https://theoutline.com/post/4434/allow-us-to-introduce-the-next-president-of-the-united-states-sexy-vegan?zd=1&zi=mm6qgiy7) should really pick Deez nuts as his running mate

I was wondering what happened to sexy vegan...didn't turn out well
Man Named ‘Sexy Vegan’ Accused Of Bestiality After Sharing Disturbing Video Of His Pit Bull (https://allthatsinteresting.com/sexy-vegan)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 29, 2020, 01:53:46 pm
"You have to hand it to Jared Kushner, because that's the only way he's ever achieved or accomplished anything in his whole life."
I would like to report YET ANOTHER MURDER.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 29, 2020, 02:35:18 pm
More from Johnny Yawn.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/john-lydon-trump-press-attacks
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 29, 2020, 02:36:44 pm
More from the twilight zone

https://twitter.com/morethanmySLE/status/1321650759759441920?s=20
Man, I really don't like Kennedy, but that takes some cajones to say that on Fox (business tho...does anyone watch that?)

(https://www.newscaststudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/kennedy-fbn.jpg)

This is a logo for a toy, not a news anchor.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 03:27:42 pm
some election day deals...https://www.today.com/food/election-day-2020-deals-freebies-you-can-take-advantage-t196212?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 03:34:01 pm
wow Cook moves Texas to tossup!
https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/bidens-path-270-widens-trumps-path-narrows-texas-moves-toss
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 29, 2020, 03:48:41 pm
What do you all make of the "take" that we should stop viewing this as a 9-10% polling lead for Biden; its a 5% polling lead in Pennsylvania, the "Plan A" tipping point state for him, and he really doesn't have a "Plan B" on the board if he loses Pennsylvania? He has like 4 "Plan Cs" (Arizona, Florida, NC, Georgia) but he leads in none of them by more than 2% in polling averages.

Is this paranoia, or a sober way of looking at this?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 04:13:09 pm
Well at this point I think it’s hard to say...

The reason I think it’s hard to say is because turnout seems to be high and I am not sure I have faith in the pollsters when it comes to predicting who exactly turns out... what if hordes of Trump supporters in western PA turn out?

If someone is not worried then I don’t think they are paying attention...

If someone is relying on Pennsylvania or Florida I think it’s crazy to feel things are in the bag

I will have my prediction in a few days but regardless of what my prediction is I am quite nervous

I voted earlier today hoping it would make me a bit less nervous but...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 04:51:09 pm
This is good shit....

https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/1321657199375065093?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 29, 2020, 04:55:21 pm
This is good shit....

https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/1321657199375065093?s=20
I saw that this morning and holy fucking shit. Gotta give Perdue credit: doesn't even flinch. My dream scenario is GA voting Biden/Ossoff/Warnock on Tuesday. So much of the trash wing of my family moved down there and they're huge Trump people and that would just about kill my trashass uncle Larry.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 29, 2020, 05:07:54 pm
What do you all make of the "take" that we should stop viewing this as a 9-10% polling lead for Biden; its a 5% polling lead in Pennsylvania, the "Plan A" tipping point state for him, and he really doesn't have a "Plan B" on the board if he loses Pennsylvania? He has like 4 "Plan Cs" (Arizona, Florida, NC, Georgia) but he leads in none of them by more than 2% in polling averages.

this analysis paints a rosier picture: The 3 most likely paths to victory for Biden and Trump, in maps (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/29/3-most-likely-paths-victory-biden-trump-maps/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 05:26:44 pm
Some of the states look worrying.... Arizona...Pennsylvania... it doesn’t help when you have polling outfits like Rasmussen out there..in Arizona they went from having Biden up 1 ten days ago to Trump up by four today...


But at this point just everybody vote and get everybody out to vote

The crazy thing is in some states more than half of people have already voted...how do pollsters handle this?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 06:28:11 pm
this is an interesting stat
Out of 80 million+ votes cast so far in this election, 17.5 million+ were people who DIDN'T VOTE in 2016.


Methinks that is good for joe...but one neva knows until the final count


Ugh...and this is how our dear leader thinks of a majority of Americans
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElhabepWMAA9A4j?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 06:31:38 pm
I repeat: anyone knows how polls handle people who have already voted?


It’s fair to say more than half have already voted... more than half the election is over..in some key states way more...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2020, 06:33:25 pm
This is good shit....

https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/1321657199375065093?s=20
I saw that this morning and holy fucking shit. Gotta give Perdue credit: doesn't even flinch. My dream scenario is GA voting Biden/Ossoff/Warnock on Tuesday. So much of the trash wing of my family moved down there and they're huge Trump people and that would just about kill my trashass uncle Larry.
BREAKING: Sen. Perdue cancels the final debate against @ossoff because, you know, he was categorically destroyed last night and is still licking his wounds.

also the boss weighs in
"There’s no art in this White House. There’s no literature, no poetry, no music. There are no pets in this White House: no loyal man’s best friend, no Socks, the family cat," Bruce Springsteen said.

and just fucking shit up on the way out
Trump administration ends protections for iconic gray wolf


I'm terrified of the destructive power of a really lame duck

and in sad but true news mail-in ballot signatures will be 2020’s hanging chad.

and  Sarah Cooper ..the best in 2020...does the access tape with HELEN MIRREN~!, ya know because Loffler hadn't heard about it yet
https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1321919554621231105?s=2
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 07:38:08 pm
I definitely have worries and concerns about Biden’s laid back schedule


I know it’s crazy to hold rallies. But there is a big contrast between Trump doing like 50 rallies this last week and Biden’s schedule

It shouldn’t matter.. there should be no rallies... rallies are madness...but Trump’s entire message is he is strong and a fighter and asshole... letting him hammer home the contrast is a dangerous play... but the die seems cast


I hope the Biden camp knows what they are doing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 10:20:52 pm
This guy seems to know what he is doing


https://mobile.twitter.com/Redistrict
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 29, 2020, 10:30:33 pm
This guy seems to know what he is doing


https://mobile.twitter.com/Redistrict
One of the best follows on Twitter.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 30, 2020, 06:33:53 am
Do you think undecided voters are showing up at either one of their rallies? Is an undecided voter really want to hear Trump spew lies?  Trump rallies are attended by the devoted who drive hours to attend them and then spread the rona..

My only worry is that when the hopeful landslide occurs,  they don’t try to use the Biden’s “low turnout” events as indication that voter fraud has occurred
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 30, 2020, 06:42:08 am
Oh and that faux news host whose package went missing and was later found,  did a 180 on Hunter last night...I guess when you find out the dossier was put together by a fake company and person you change your tune... and can we start a gofund me to create a walled in location cut off from the world   to stash trump and his spawn? Clearly they are the only ones who will ever visit the library
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 30, 2020, 07:39:45 am

My only worry is that when the hopeful landslide occurs,  they don’t try to use the Biden’s “low turnout” events as indication that voter fraud has occurred
They will try anything, I know the Trump team monitors this board... so thanks for helping out the enemy Koz.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 30, 2020, 07:54:17 am
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/523509-california-governor-preparing-state-for-civil-unrest-following-election

This make sense, but this is terrifying
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2020, 09:12:04 am
I feel like Trump rallies get amplified way beyond attendants...by the local papers, TV coverage, radio etc


It’s like when the Stones or Floyd played your town in the 90s...you didn’t have to be there at show to read about it in paper or hear about it and the local TV stations sent a crew down to cover it.. it became a thing “wow Floyd was in our town last night!”

It’s like hey he is visiting our state..he is fighting for our vote... he really wants our vote... you don’t have to be there to feel that



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2020, 10:34:51 am
More people have now voted in Texas than did so in the 2016 general election.

Election Day is this coming Tuesday.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 30, 2020, 10:38:52 am
For those of us obsessively checking 538's Forecast multiple times a day, they're odds off a Trump victory has dropped from 13 to 10 in the last 48 hours. If it gets to single digits, I may take off my pants and run around.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 30, 2020, 10:50:16 am
More people have now voted in Texas than did so in the 2016 general election.
Wow that is impressive.  I don't think Beto gets enough credit for waking the dems in TX as he should
He surely would have beat Ted if they were on the ballot this year

If it gets to single digits, I may take off my pants and run around.
pic or it didn't happen (not that I want to see it, but we have standards on what can be claimed)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 30, 2020, 10:54:48 am
pic or it didn't happen (not that I want to see it, but we have standards on what can be claimed)
Someone fly the photographer in that we had for GwarBQ and let's get this done.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2020, 11:40:06 am
If it doesn’t get to single digits Trump will be President

It will mean there is a huge mass of unpolled Trump voters turning out...replicated all across America

Pray you wet your pants
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 30, 2020, 12:11:42 pm
If it doesn’t get to single digits Trump will be President
Huh...If it gets to single digits on the 538 thing, that means the likelihood of him winning is less than 10%

I think you meant if polling in swing states has biden ahead by single digits we should be worried
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2020, 12:13:59 pm
No I meant exactly what I said


If Biden loses Texas by double digits Trump will be President.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2020, 12:19:16 pm
Never mind
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 30, 2020, 12:20:17 pm
I was talking about 538s general “what odds does this person have to win the presidency,” not their Texas polling numbers.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2020, 12:20:49 pm
Yeah just got that


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2020, 12:25:31 pm
I really don’t understand how 538 is so rosy


Maybe I need to spend more time there


What I see is a narrowing lead in the swing states that is pretty much within the MOE everywhere except WI and MI.

I think the correct reading is this election is really tight. And with unusually high turnout and early voting my confidence in polls is kind of shot.

I mean it’s ballsy to read the data and see Biden can lose PA (possible) and FL (probable) and win.

Maybe I am just overthinking it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on October 30, 2020, 02:55:54 pm
Trump Bails On His Election Night Party To Sulk In The White House (https://www.politicususa.com/2020/10/30/trump-white-house-election-night.html)
Trump has canceled plans to appear at an election night party at his Washington, DC hotel and instead will stay in the White House.


"making the most of the time he has left"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 30, 2020, 03:23:54 pm
Koz or Jules.....can you confirm this
Trump: "Twelve years ago I was named Man of the Year of Michigan. Can you believe it?"


tay tay is using her power to tip the scales...
https://twitter.com/ericswalwell/status/1322161334696386560?s=20
Taylor Swift has 87.3 million followers on Twitter - the exact same number as Trump.
This is the first campaign ad she has ever given permission to use her music.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on October 30, 2020, 04:23:00 pm
Did anyone post this one?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321819691782983680

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 30, 2020, 04:50:17 pm
Koz or Jules.....can you confirm this
Trump: "Twelve years ago I was named Man of the Year of Michigan. Can you believe it?"

Brace yourself for this, as it may come as a shock: he's incorrect (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/16/trump-claim-michigan-man-of-year/2033724001/).

tay tay is using her power to tip the scales...
https://twitter.com/ericswalwell/status/1322161334696386560?s=20
Taylor Swift has 87.3 million followers on Twitter - the exact same number as Trump.
This is the first campaign ad she has ever given permission to use her music.

She totally failed to make any movement in TN in the midterms when 8,000,000 words were written about how she could turn the Governor and Senate races there. Dem candidates under preformed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 30, 2020, 04:59:02 pm
^ I knew both these things, post was to make sure you guys knew that too! ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 30, 2020, 08:27:40 pm
So you bothered that FB blocked Biden ads?
Personally I am not, but I have had bad takes before

And baby Trump is in Arlington’s
https://twitter.com/arlingtondems/status/1322333775808909319?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 30, 2020, 10:22:18 pm
538 has Biden at 89.58% to win and Trump at 9.9625%, the first time it’s fallen below 10. Biden is currently rounding up to 90% on the main graphic but if he actually slides above 90% at some point in the next few days, it will trigger the race to move from “Biden is favored to win” to “Biden is clearly favored to win”.

Time to oil up the pants area for some laps around the yard.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2020, 10:01:30 am
Was kinda surprised that Trump didn’t start a war or something as a distraction and to get the undecided to ‘support the president’

Welp.... @realdonaldtrump Big win for our very elite U.S. Special Forces today. Details to follow!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on October 31, 2020, 11:02:55 am
https://www.businessinsider.com/berlins-madame-tussauds-places-its-trump-statue-in-garbage-bin-2020-10
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2020, 02:19:05 pm
Opinions on top-two primaries...where every party runs in the primary (in a state election) and the top two are the ones on the ballot in the general.

I think there are some good arguments for it, but I hate seeing two Rs or two Ds on the ballot, something seems off about it.

I'd really wish the Dems internally to do more ranked-choice voting in the primaries.  I think we'd actually get someone the majority could get behind, vs the one who really only got 30% of the vote in the first months of the primaries.  I also think the presidential primary should just be 4 dates, use the time zones.  I honestly don't think Joe would have been the candidate if we did it that way (or Trump for that matter)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 01, 2020, 09:45:17 am
If Joe wasn’t the candidate we wouldn’t have a prayer! Imagine Bernie or Warren or Pete! My god there wouldn’t be anything left....


Even my sister who was big into Bernie in 16 and Warren in 20(a pattern not uncommon) admits Trump would have eaten them alive
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 01, 2020, 04:10:01 pm
Republican-led effort to throw out nearly 127,000 votes that were cast in Harris Co TX
Thankfully the TX supreme court blocked this, but does that mean they appeal to the SCOTUS

I am so tired of this, they continually say how the 'left hates democracy' yet they do shit (or try to) all the time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 01, 2020, 10:38:52 pm
This guy just revised his vote total to 165-175 million


If it we’re to get that high - asI have said before- I think all bets are off although none of the pollsters I read seem to feel this way...it would be the highest turnout % in over a century (keeping in mind restrictions on voting)



I am skeptical it will get that high

Going to be fascinating Tuesday night..scary fascinating .

https://mobile.twitter.com/WinWithJMC/status/1322895897685053441
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 01, 2020, 11:28:40 pm
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1322946677062316032?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 02, 2020, 08:48:29 am
Wow 94.2 million early votes cast!
Polling may be impacted, but IMO high turnout only benefits the Democratic Party (why do you think they try so hard to suppress the vote)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 02, 2020, 08:54:37 am
Wow 94.2 million early votes cast!
Polling may be impacted, but IMO high turnout only benefits the Democratic Party (why do you think they try so hard to suppress the vote)


Don’t be silly... they try to (and do) suppress the DEMOCRATIC vote...



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 02, 2020, 09:08:04 am
Wow 94.2 million early votes cast!
Polling may be impacted, but IMO high turnout only benefits the Democratic Party (why do you think they try so hard to suppress the vote)


Don’t be silly... they try to (and do) suppress the DEMOCRATIC vote...

That's what he just said, albeit maybe with not enough clarity?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 02, 2020, 09:11:25 am
Polls seem to be tightening but there are so many outfits I am not sure how credible some of these polls on RCP are

Biden arrives - polling wise- in better shape than HRC...I guess consensus is polls would have to be even more wrong than 2016 for Biden not to win

Of course Election clusterfuckery couled be worse this time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 02, 2020, 09:24:43 am
Lots of polls that made for tightening yesterday were "low-quality" ones according to 538. Great high-quality batch came in this morning. PA back up to close to 5.5% polling average.

In fact, for the first time . . .

(https://i.imgur.com/M9OH5CQ.png)

. . . they have moved the race from Biden favored to CLEARLY favored.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 02, 2020, 10:25:00 am
Real Clear Politics seems to have got a little weird...

ONE day to go!!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 02, 2020, 10:55:19 am
George Washington University Tells Students to Prepare for Election Day Unrest (https://insidehighered.com/news/2020/11/02/gw-tells-students-prepare-unrest-following-election)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 02, 2020, 11:35:24 am
https://www.investors.com/news/trump-vs-biden-poll-race-tight-ibd-tipp-presidential-poll/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 02, 2020, 12:01:26 pm
https://www.investors.com/news/trump-vs-biden-poll-race-tight-ibd-tipp-presidential-poll/
That is just a massive outlier. I'm not saying its wrong but there's literally an equally ranked pollster who did a sample of 6 times the size also released today who has Biden +12.

Freaking out about individual polls when there's 40 polls released a day is a fool's errand.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 02, 2020, 12:12:56 pm
Lots of polls that made for tightening yesterday were "low-quality" ones according to 538.

After the 2016 debacle I consider them all to be “low quality” until they consistently prove themselves otherwise.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 02, 2020, 12:20:34 pm
Ok fair but IBD has a good track record...they predicted Trump’s 2016 win...


They could still be way off this year



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 02, 2020, 06:46:18 pm
WTF is Patriotic Education other than teaching about White Supremacy?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 02, 2020, 06:49:55 pm
Trump is throwing out whatever political  Hail Mary he can think of....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 02, 2020, 06:55:26 pm
Bottom Line is a bunch of conservatives have their panties in a bunch over the 1619 project... heaven forbid students learned about something other the “patriotic” acts of white men which is usually them killing other men
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2020, 09:11:38 am
What a shock...the one couple in front of me in line who weren't wearing a mask (outside, six feet) were the two people who gladly took a MAGA sticker from the MAGA woman trying to pass them out in line. Then, the guy puts a mask on as he steps inside, and leaves his nose exposed. And I sternly say "Pull your mask over your nose." And he does. Probably a mouthbreather anyway. Definitely a bad dresser with a beastly looking wife. Howdy neighbor!

I voted, Got there at 6:30am. 25 min wait. Line was dying down to nothing as i was leaving. Wish it was that easy everywhere.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 10:13:05 am
Well at least it’s not raining in Philadelphia...

I hope democrats paid the walking around money


Ed Rendell told a good friend of mine - I believe at a hotel sauna- that in 2016 Hillary campaign refused to pay...of course I don’t think they could have squeezed 100,000 votes out of Philly so it would have been moot but god my friend lives to and loves to tell this story


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 10:15:22 am
‘Walking around $’
Not familiar to that grift
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2020, 11:05:48 am
‘Walking around $’
Not familiar to that grift

Google is my friend.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/10/what-exactly-is-walking-around-money.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 11:13:11 am
Biden secures ALL the votes in Dixville Notch (5)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 11:29:17 am
First exit polls coming out...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 03, 2020, 12:03:37 pm
First exit polls coming out...
These have never been more useless than this year where half or more people aren’t voting today.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 12:08:37 pm
Trump winning by 90%



I think Alabama is gone...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 12:10:56 pm

Another one

New Hampshire exit poll


Biden 100%
Trump 0%
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 12:12:01 pm
I’ve seen enough


Am calling DC for Biden...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 12:55:53 pm
I’ve seen enough


Am calling DC for Biden...
Dude....I thought we weren’t supposed to do that

I have to agree with Julian, exit polls are going to be useless this election (although are they not compiling it with the known early voting?)


I’m working the polls and at this prescient, before we opened, 60% of registered voters had already cast their vote

Arlington is a melting pot (well at least south ARL is)
tons of men, women, very young to very old and just about every race, creed or color represented.

Lots of first time voters (especially Hispanic)


I will probably be breaking so electoral law, but this Lantino gentleman in his 50s asked my help if he filled his ballot out correctly and had Trump selected
It took every thing I had to muster “yes you have correctly filled out your ballot”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 12:57:54 pm
Awesome a report from the field
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 12:58:21 pm
Arlington exit poll


Trump 100%

Biden 0
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 01:46:10 pm
Getting reports of multiple robocalls going to Flint residents that, due to long lines, they should vote tomorrow.
Obviously this is FALSE and an effort to suppress the vote. No long lines and today is the last day to vote. Don’t believe the lies!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 03, 2020, 01:51:33 pm
Arlington exit poll


Trump 100%

Biden 0

N of 1
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 03, 2020, 02:23:18 pm
I’ve seen enough


Am calling DC for Biden...
BOLD.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2020, 03:30:13 pm
Getting reports of multiple robocalls going to Flint residents that, due to long lines, they should vote tomorrow.
Obviously this is FALSE and an effort to suppress the vote. No long lines and today is the last day to vote. Don’t believe the lies!


If you're dumb enough/so ill informed that you believe this, maybe you shouldn't be voting.

Tried it on my elderly, Trump voting Mom, it didn't work.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 04:25:28 pm
Biden secures ALL the votes in Dixville Notch (5)
Biden has really upped his snark game

Having receiving all 5 votes in Dixville Notch, Joe Biden joked in Scranton: "Based on Trump’s notion, I’m going to declare victory right now.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 03, 2020, 04:48:28 pm
His snark game has been on point. I literally laughed out loud at the photo of him at a rally a few days ago that (or whoever runs his Twitter, to be fair) captioned “Hey, who let all these people in my basement?!”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 05:19:19 pm
I can’t believe Biden is still sending me texts asking for $

Weak
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 06:02:38 pm
F yeah Arlington


https://twitter.com/jwestcottphoto/status/1323713898680385536?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 06:33:12 pm
F yeah Arlington


https://twitter.com/jwestcottphoto/status/1323713898680385536?s=20
Lawerence O’Donnell reply...
When one finger represents 100 million fingers
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 07:38:30 pm
I have heard almost no news on voting machine issues
And that’s a good thing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 08:05:07 pm
Have they called it?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2020, 08:47:03 pm
Biden shitting the bed in Miami
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 09:03:08 pm
Biden shitting the bed in Miami

Let the blame game begin!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 03, 2020, 09:10:13 pm
Have they called it?
No but NYT puts it at 98% Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 09:12:50 pm
So Trump is re-elected?


Man this is sad...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 09:20:43 pm
Mitch re-elected


What a waste of $


I am having a bile attack
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 03, 2020, 09:28:24 pm
I have a bad feeling although I know the Midwest is completely independent from these sun belt misses.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 09:32:33 pm
What sun belt misses?

There is more than Florida?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 09:50:29 pm
Don't count out NC looking good
as is Ohio
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 09:52:21 pm
Just saw Trump was almost 300k ahead in VA!...not sure that call was final
Mark Warner is looking horrible too!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2020, 09:56:08 pm
Feels like the rubes might be owning us again.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 10:13:01 pm
Hickenlooper looking pretty good against Gardner in Colorado

Cal in NC seems to have missed his layup
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 03, 2020, 10:26:17 pm
What sun belt misses?

There is more than Florida?
Trump is super well-positioned to win TX and GA with votes already counted. NC will be close but no cigar for Biden.

It’s all on the Midwest and Biden has virtually no margin for error as his only potential bailout state left if he loses one of MN/WI/PA/MI is probably AZ. (Unless you believe in OH which I don’t.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 10:37:59 pm
Ok, I know we are not even supposed to look at the results until midnight, but this is really driving me to drink heavy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2020, 10:49:12 pm
What sun belt misses?

There is more than Florida?
Trump is super well-positioned to win TX and GA with votes already counted. NC will be close but no cigar for Biden.

It’s all on the Midwest and Biden has virtually no margin for error as his only potential bailout state left if he loses one of MN/WI/PA/MI is probably AZ. (Unless you believe in OH which I don’t.)

NYT calling NC for Trump. Is that what you were saying?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 03, 2020, 10:57:41 pm
Ok, I know we are not even supposed to look at the results until midnight, but this is really driving me to drink heavy

12999!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 10:59:14 pm
Ok, I know we are not even supposed to look at the results until midnight, but this is really driving me to drink heavy

12999!
is that a Herman Cain ref?
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Post by: grateful on November 03, 2020, 11:04:12 pm
Ok, I know we are not even supposed to look at the results until midnight, but this is really driving me to drink heavy

12999!
is that a Herman Cain ref?

Congrats on your 13,000th post!
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Post by: grateful on November 03, 2020, 11:05:30 pm
Biden shitting the bed in Miami

Let the blame game begin!!

So Bloomberg's $100M was....?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 11:06:40 pm
Ok, I know we are not even supposed to look at the results until midnight, but this is really driving me to drink heavy

12999!
is that a Herman Cain ref?
Congrats on your 13,000th post!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l44Q8h30hMY1a3ptK/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 03, 2020, 11:07:45 pm
Biden shitting the bed in Miami

Let the blame game begin!!

So Bloomberg's $100M was....?
I screamed this out loud in my house
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Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 03, 2020, 11:10:45 pm
So Bloomberg's $100M was....?

...as productive as his campaign?

Graham wins SC. Is that really a surprise?
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Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 11:43:02 pm
Boy just tuned in after two hours and not what I hoped for..
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Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2020, 11:51:25 pm
Biden looking good in AZ. Would be his first flip of the night. Then he'd need MI, WI, and PA (I think )
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Post by: hutch on November 03, 2020, 11:55:34 pm
It’s just not looking good

It’s kind of hard to follow but not looking good
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 12:00:32 am
Can one of you go plug in the computers in Fairfax?
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 12:07:50 am
I mean geez it’s 11:07 pm....and we are barely hangin on

Looks like Trump did it again....

Polls were way off and higher turnout didn’t do trick


This is no repudiation of Trump...far from it...


Unless there democrats are holding on to millions of blue votes in PA, MI etc

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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 12:27:42 am
Iowa looks interesting I guess but not sure what is outstanding





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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 12:33:04 am
AZ plus MI plus WI plus NE-2 gets you 270


Man seems like tough to pull off though


Reading a lot of stuff that seems wishful thinking

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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 12:34:05 am
AZ plus MI plus WI plus NE-2 gets you 270
Thats correct. Or the Maine district which is a bright spot at current.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 12:47:32 am
Of course still need Nevada

I am reading all kinds of stuff about votes outstanding in PA but when you are 500k down...

Man
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Post by: challenged on November 04, 2020, 12:48:46 am
Going to sleep: 1142pm
RCP has it at
216 Biden
125 Trump

Biden needs 54: PA (20), MN (10), AZ (11), MI (16). I fear that Biden will not get MI. And Trump wins 279, 259, or something close to that.

And even if Biden wins, certainly not any kind of repudiation of Trump. And the radical right comes right back in 4 years.

Hope.

 




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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 12:56:21 am
Yeah me too on trying to sleep.. and I know it’s a little thing in the scheme of things but I’m glad fairfax got their act together...

And it seem those Regean Democrats north of Detroit apparently are  screwing stuff up again, must be pissed about not being able to go to the gym or some other nonsense
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Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2020, 01:02:50 am
Going to sleep: 1142pm
RCP has it at
216 Biden
125 Trump

Biden needs 54: PA (20), MN (10), AZ (11), MI (16). I fear that Biden will not get MI. And Trump wins 279, 259, or something close to that.

And even if Biden wins, certainly not any kind of repudiation of Trump. And the radical right comes right back in 4 years.

Hope.

You're forgetting WI.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 01:06:28 am
Going to sleep: 1142pm
RCP has it at
216 Biden
125 Trump

Biden needs 54: PA (20), MN (10), AZ (11), MI (16). I fear that Biden will not get MI. And Trump wins 279, 259, or something close to that.

And even if Biden wins, certainly not any kind of repudiation of Trump. And the radical right comes right back in 4 years.

Hope.

I will happily take a 270-268 win...but it does look tough

I don’t care how many votes are outstanding when I see Biden down 500K in PA and 300K in Michigan it doesn’t look good

It will be a couple of hours before I can sleep





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Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2020, 01:11:56 am
That RCP doesn't include NV. If he takes NV,AZ, and WI, he only needs one of PA or MI.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 01:21:50 am
I know...

When I try to drill down numbers in PA I am not feeling confident but it’s hard to make sense of things unless you are a real number cruncher and know these states

Best shot for Biden is NV + AZ + WI + MI + a district elector in ME or NE

It’s that simple

The toughest piece of that is Michigan



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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 01:22:12 am
Don’t look now but the NYT “needle” is now predicting GA to Biden based on pretty much all the outstanding vote being in metro Atlanta.

Hold onto your butts.
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Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2020, 01:28:13 am
Don’t look now but the NYT “needle” is now predicting GA to Biden based on pretty much all the outstanding vote being in metro Atlanta.

Hold onto your butts.

Just came to post that. Stacey Abrams could be our hero.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 01:38:28 am
PA is a who knows. The outstanding ballots are overwhelmingly in Dem areas.

This is starting to look better for Biden. Fox has him at 237 with Nevada, Georgia,  MI, PA, Wisconsin and the two single district electoral votes left in play. (They’ve called AZ, MN, and HI for him).
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 01:44:08 am
Don’t rule out Fox retracting it’s AZ call....
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 01:45:45 am
Don’t rule out Fox retracting it’s AZ call....
I’ve seen nothing that would lead me to believe that’s getting retracted. I’m surprised more agencies haven’t followed suit.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 02:12:34 am
It seems like if Biden wins he will have to deal with a R Senate until at least 2022
I don’t think we can pick up a seat in GA

It’s the least of my concerns. Biden must win and be inaugurated January 2021.

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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 02:19:00 am
Decision Desk HQ calls NE-2 for Biden


We are - if this call is accurate- in business

We need at least NV and by my count two of three from WI PA and GA

https://mobile.twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1323869530104438784
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 02:46:12 am
Biden leading Nevada with 74% of vote in I think


If Biden wins Nevada he needs two of: PA, WI, GA and MI


Trump needs three of those

That seems to be situation
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 02:56:41 am

This is no repudiation of Trump...far from it...

agree
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 03:00:31 am
Bullock lost in MO thought that was going to be an easy win
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 03:03:17 am
Looking at the positive I think Biden can win this


I actually think he is in better shape than Trump... unless I am misreading the maps Biden is going to win Nevada
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 03:04:30 am
Bullock lost in MO thought that was going to be an easy win

No way ... he was underdog as far as I know...


We are not getting Senate... Ernst won IA and Tillis going to take NC

We just need Biden to win
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 03:21:51 am
2:20 AM and Trump is speaking...y.i.k.e.s.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 03:24:22 am
can't catch us...
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 03:28:01 am
Just ignore him


Just as Biden didn’t win in a landslide neither did Trump


And Biden is going to get millions more votes

Once we count all the votes I like Biden’s chances but we all need to understand Trump is trying to frame this  like he is ahead

He is not ahead. We haven’t counted the votes.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 03:29:55 am
asking for counting to stop
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 03:34:44 am
Who cares? The governors of PA, MI and WI are all democrats...

The votes will be counted

Georgia too


It’s a nonstarter


Ignore him. He wants you to focus on him and defer to him.

That’s not the way it works.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 03:43:11 am
Even NC isn’t clear....


Everybody neeeds to chill out , ignore the clown President , and wait








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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 04:14:59 am
Ossoff doesn't look like he is going to pull this off either
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 04:20:04 am
Ossoff was never going to pull it off


The play was AZ+CO+NC+ME - AL


But NC isn’t going to happen... I am not really worried about Senate


I believe Cunningham is running behind Biden...

I just don’t think Biden can make up the 77,000 deficit in NC

I wish I were wrong cause I think we have a chance in GA but need WI, PA or MI or NC

We need two of those by my count
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 04:20:14 am
Night
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 07:19:46 am
Morning shift reporting in

WI and NV looking good

Just saw trumps lead in Mi is down to 70k and only 53% by of Wayne County is in, if Detroit delivers this election that would be sweet. And more than likely the smaller rich conservative parts of Wayne county the Grosse Pointes have already been counted.

Oh and I remembered this last night.. A good chunk of Macomb County in MI, home of those Reagan Democrats is called Sterling Heights also known in the area as Sterile Whites.  Think White Flight personified with miles of unremarkable houses

Deliver this Big D we know you have it in you!!!!
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Post by: challenged on November 04, 2020, 08:16:45 am
Deliver this Big D we know you have it in you!!!!

That's what she said
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 08:19:24 am
Trumps lead in MI rapidly decreasing apparently huge Blue counties have outstanding votes left to be counted.. looks Jules’s least favorite place Lansing East Lansing may also be a factor
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 08:22:15 am
This dude is giving me lots of hope at the moment

https://twitter.com/taniel/status/1323962341025828867?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 08:36:50 am
What about this dude?

https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1323964082861580288



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 09:08:40 am
Trumps lead in MI rapidly decreasing apparently huge Blue counties have outstanding votes left to be counted.. looks Jules’s least favorite place Lansing East Lansing may also be a factor
Giant tranche of votes just came in and pulled it to within 0.5%. 300k outstanding to count in Wayne. Michigan is looking good right now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 09:09:43 am
Yup
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 09:11:31 am
Of course and you are already seeing people claiming votes don’t count if done after the election... and then there is this...

I have deleted my tweet on the huge boost Biden got from Detroit because it's now circulating in conservative circles as evidence of fraud, on the absurd grounds Biden couldn't have won a batch of ballots by that much.

A reminder: Clinton won the city of Detroit 95% to 3%.

https://twitter.com/taniel/status/1323972673941233665?s=21
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 09:15:06 am
Tough shit
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 09:17:58 am
It’s funny how conservatives are very selective about what history is important

The same goes for State and Local rights. And the size of government. 

Oh wait easily summed up as hypocrites...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 09:31:55 am
Looking at raw vote counts and what's left uncounted in Wake and Mecklenberg, I see no path to Biden getting NC barring an absolute flood of absentee ballots arriving between now and the 10th.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 09:57:15 am
I’m glad I’m not the only one that was getting stressed out about CNN leaving Virginia red so long without all the votes in.. Think the same happened in 2016 as well
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Post by: grateful on November 04, 2020, 10:10:00 am
FWIW, Kanye West concedes presidential race — but already has sights on 2024

https://nypost.com/2020/11/04/kanye-west-got-votes-but-hes-already-looking-to-2024-run/amp/
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 10:12:23 am
Why is this soo close, ugh.  I'm beginning to feel like I don't like a lot of Americans choices in life
I was really predicting a landslide and this isn't even sliding at all
We really didn't need it to be close
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Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2020, 10:23:16 am
Looking at raw vote counts and what's left uncounted in Wake and Mecklenberg, I see no path to Biden getting NC barring an absolute flood of absentee ballots arriving between now and the 10th.

Same deal with their Senate race? Playboy should have kept it in his pants.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 10:32:21 am
Looking at raw vote counts and what's left uncounted in Wake and Mecklenberg, I see no path to Biden getting NC barring an absolute flood of absentee ballots arriving between now and the 10th.

Same deal with their Senate race? Playboy should have kept it in his pants.

The Democratic Senate candidates were kind of a disaster and messaging caused $200M to be lit on fire. @ScottMStedman
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 10:33:30 am
Why is this soo close, ugh.  I'm beginning to feel like I don't like a lot of Americans choices in life
I was really predicting a landslide and this isn't even sliding at all
We really didn't need it to be close

Look, buck up!

Whether you win by one vote or a landslide what matters is winning the presidency

It’s too early for the post mortem

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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 10:33:39 am
Biden takes the lead in Michigan:

Biden 2,511,077 49.4%
Trump 2,497,873 49.1%
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 10:38:33 am
Yup Biden ahead in both MI and WI


If you give in to this whole we were going to trash him and I feel sad baloney you are just being a defeatist ...the object is to win the presidency...


Arizona was huge...
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 10:41:05 am
66.9% turnout
160 million votes

Highest turnout in 120 years

(Per Michael McDonald of vote project)
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 10:41:13 am
Looking at raw vote counts and what's left uncounted in Wake and Mecklenberg, I see no path to Biden getting NC barring an absolute flood of absentee ballots arriving between now and the 10th.

Same deal with their Senate race? Playboy should have kept it in his pants.
He's trailing Biden by about 1%, so yeah, he's likely done. Peters should pull out MI. Kelly should have AZ.

Not clear what is going on with Collins in Maine due to ranked choice voting, but assuming she wins, it'd be GOP 50-Dems 48 and two runoffs in Georgia.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 10:44:20 am
Arizona was huge...
Agreed. Really want to see proof that NV is sticking (the demographics of the outstanding ballots are ++ -- update tonite) and would love to see a news agency other than AP and Fox call AZ for Biden but this is looking good, barring judicial shenangians.

NY Times stating both campaigns expect MI and WI to be called early-afternoon, and likely for Biden. That puts us at 270 if everything holds. Would love some insurance runs in GA (which the NYT "Needle" is still saying is likely tracking to Biden by 0.5%) or PA but non-judicial-hijinks paths are closing for Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 11:07:36 am
Y'all should check out this data science bro's work (https://twitter.com/lennybronner) for the NYT analyzing where the remaining ballots are and predicting them out. If his PA analysis is on, I'm getting the Johnnie Walker Blue out.
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Post by: challenged on November 04, 2020, 11:16:58 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El_Plp0WkAIRmbf?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on November 04, 2020, 12:01:58 pm
Ween or Loose: Biden will have the most votes in US Electoral history.
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Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2020, 12:32:25 pm
Looks like Peters (D) could lose his Senate seat in Michigan (?)
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Post by: vansmack on November 04, 2020, 12:36:26 pm
Quote from: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER
  I'm getting the Johnnie Walker Blue out.

Glenlivet 25 year last night around 2AM.

Biden is Winning.  Act Like it. (https://messagebox.substack.com/p/biden-is-winning-act-like-it)
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Post by: challenged on November 04, 2020, 12:53:58 pm
Wisconsin Elections Administrator: Wisconsin to JB.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 01:04:08 pm
Looks like Peters (D) could lose his Senate seat in Michigan (?)
Still a ton of Wayne County and Kalamazoo votes outstanding. He’s probably ok but there were definitely some voters who went Biden but not Peters.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 01:05:10 pm
Quote from: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER
  I'm getting the Johnnie Walker Blue out.

Glenlivet 25 year last night around 2AM.

Biden is Winning.  Act Like it. (https://messagebox.substack.com/p/biden-is-winning-act-like-it)
A better scotch by a mile but lacks the blue tie-in.

Biden is almost certainly winning, that is correct. Pennsylvania is going blue.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 01:11:39 pm
There was way too much hubris in the senate for Dems (maybe by me only)

Knew Jones didn't have a chance
But I thought for sure that Collins and Ernst were done...but Trump voters came out in those states
Also thought Espy had a decent chance...but trounced like Ossof
I don't think Warnock is going to be able to win in a run off at all
Boiller in KS got shellacked
Cal, just couldn't keep it in his pants...fucked it all up, but Trump really got the vote out in NC

Does that even get 50?  I know we get the the VP with Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 01:13:33 pm
Too early for post mortem hatch


You are too bitter


If we made Trump a one term president- and I think we have- that is huge.  A huge accomplishment
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 01:14:20 pm
Jus the right time for a little moist partem though.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 01:51:39 pm
Sounds kinky
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 01:54:33 pm
Ween or Loose: Biden will have the most votes in US Electoral history.

Wow you have the best autocorrects :)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 02:18:36 pm
If we made Trump a one term president- and I think we have- that is huge.  A huge accomplishment
I agree...but the just barely part makes me depressed.  I wanted a mandate like winning the popular by 10million
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 02:21:17 pm
If we made Trump a one term president- and I think we have- that is huge.  A huge accomplishment
I agree...but the just barely part makes me depressed.  I wanted a mandate like winning the popular by 10million
I did too but honestly, if is by a narrow margin, it makes me feel good about the time I took off from work and phone banked, and the money I gave specifically to ActBlue in states like MI and GA that is going to fuel this. This an election that if we worked 10% less hard, we lose. But we didn't.

EDIT: Call me crazy, but I don't think an 8 million popular vote margin is out of play. Tons of CA and NY and MD/NOVA votes left to count.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 02:28:59 pm
EDIT: Call me crazy, but I don't think an 8 million popular vote margin is out of play. Tons of CA and NY and MD/NOVA votes left to count.
not too shabby!  I'd be happy with that and it sounds like a mandate to me
The EC is the problem.  I'm sure that Dems in states like NJ, NY and CA (& DC) didn't come out and vote as there was really no point


This an election that if we worked 10% less hard, we lose.
yeah, I think with Hill we only needed to work 3% harder, but alas
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 02:33:51 pm
we kinda knew this...but it's official Susan Collins says Sara Gideon called her to concede the race.
The Lincoln project put a lot in to defeat Collins, they must be upset
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 02:35:44 pm
we kinda knew this...but it's official Susan Collins says Sara Gideon called her to concede the race.
The Lincoln project put a lot in to defeat Collins, they must be upset
This is a massive disappointment.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 02:41:21 pm
So looking good in NV, MI and WI and that would seal it
wouldn't need PA, NC or GA...all gravy

Shit didn't realize Trump won Me2
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 02:41:52 pm
Biden’s lead in Michigan looks insurmountable as does his lead in Wisconsin

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 04, 2020, 02:43:08 pm
soooooooo... are we allowed to feel confident yet?  maybe not "full-on victory dance" confident, but like "slight but noticeable happy-shuffle as i get another cup of tea" confident?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 02:49:38 pm
Well we been burned before but I think this is in the bag

Of course it would really help to win a few more states to pile on pressure on Trump and Republicans to accept defeat

Just not ready to start interpreting the results....but there are some interesting trends here
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 03:04:07 pm
CNN just called Wisconsin for Biden....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 03:22:04 pm
MIRS has declared Biden the winner of Michigan.

EDIT: OK, just realized that acronym is going to need some explaining for the non-Mitten/legislative wonks wings of the board. Very wonky, non-partisan state government news organization. This is the equivalent of me saying "The Detroit Free-Press has declared Biden the winner of Michigan" or "The Richmond Times-Dispatch has declared Biden the winner of Virginia."
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 03:27:49 pm
Wasserman, the only Twitter account you should follow (@Redistrict), says his analysis of the outstanding vote has Biden "on track to finish ahead" in Pennsylvania.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 03:29:25 pm
Oh god it just keeps getting better


Why the fuck can’t Nevada count today?!?

Looking at outstanding vote I don’t see how Trump wins Michigan
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 03:33:22 pm
Shame she unseated a Dem in the Iowa house seat... but

https://twitter.com/bencjacobs/status/1324057237657133060?s=21

The keyboardist from the Rentals just got elected to the Iowa State House as a Republican in Ottumwa

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Post by: vansmack on November 04, 2020, 03:41:44 pm
MIRS has declared Biden the winner of Michigan.

EDIT: OK, just realized that acronym is going to need some explaining for the non-Mitten/legislative wonks wings of the board. Very wonky, non-partisan state government news organization. This is the equivalent of me saying "The Detroit Free-Press has declared Biden the winner of Michigan" or "The Richmond Times-Dispatch has declared Biden the winner of Virginia."

For what it's worth, I think they're right. 
 
The only significant numbers of votes outstanding are in Wayne and Kalamazoo, which lean (in one case, heavily) Dem with no way for Trump to make up the 38,000 votes he's behind.  The gap will likely increase.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 03:43:20 pm
MIRS has declared Biden the winner of Michigan.

EDIT: OK, just realized that acronym is going to need some explaining for the non-Mitten/legislative wonks wings of the board. Very wonky, non-partisan state government news organization. This is the equivalent of me saying "The Detroit Free-Press has declared Biden the winner of Michigan" or "The Richmond Times-Dispatch has declared Biden the winner of Virginia."

For what it's worth, I think they're right. 
 
The only significant numbers of votes outstanding are in Wayne and Kalamazoo, which lean (in one case, heavily) Dem with no way for Trump to make up the 38,000 votes he's behind.  The gap will likely increase.
Yep. Wayne is brining it home. 55k is going to be the margin, I think.
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Post by: vansmack on November 04, 2020, 03:45:09 pm
Yep. Wayne is brining it home. 55k is going to be the margin, I think.

This is a possibility.  Team Trump has filed a suit to stop the count, which can only be an attempt to keep the percentage with in the recount threshold. 
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 03:48:15 pm
Yep. Wayne is brining it home. 55k is going to be the margin, I think.

This is a possibility.  Team Trump has filed a suit to stop the count, which can only be an attempt to keep the percentage with in the recount threshold.
Unless I am mistaken, there is no paid recount threshold in MI.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 03:51:34 pm
Does anyone know when we're getting our next vote drop in Nevada?

AZ is promising more out of Maricopa at 9pm and 12:30am (EST).
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 03:52:29 pm
Does anyone know when we're getting our next vote drop in Nevada?

AZ is promising more out of Maricopa at 9pm and 12:30am (EST).

They said not until tomorrow!!!
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Post by: vansmack on November 04, 2020, 03:53:28 pm
Does anyone know when we're getting our next vote drop in Nevada?


Noon ET Thursday.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 03:56:07 pm
They said not until tomorrow!!!

Noon ET Thursday.

Gracias, gentlemen. So many alerts to set in my phone.
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Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2020, 04:01:38 pm
Shame she unseated a Dem in the Iowa house seat... but

https://twitter.com/bencjacobs/status/1324057237657133060?s=21

The keyboardist from the Rentals just got elected to the Iowa State House as a Republican in Ottumwa

In addition to being the keyboardist for the Rentals and now a state level politician, she's also a mechanic and tv star. A real Renaissance woman!

https://www.ottumwacourier.com/news/local_news/tv-mechanic-visits-ohs-automotive-students/article_0a2ec296-fc17-11e5-a3f3-3b5ed35bd95e.html
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 04:44:46 pm
Yep. Wayne is brining it home. 55k is going to be the margin, I think.

This is a possibility.
I may have undershot. Biden by 61k (1.1%) at current.

As a native son who donated thousands to this state over the last two years and literally took a goddamn vacation last month to go help with get-out-the-vote efforts in Wayne and Washtenaw, this feels damn satisfying. A tear may get shed here when a network calls it.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 04:46:45 pm
Well done!
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 04:55:14 pm
Bell's Returning to Virginia (https://www.bellsbeer.com/news/bells-headed-back-virginia)

OMG. I have never had karma work for me so quickly in my entire life.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 04:55:30 pm
WHAT DO I DO WITH MY HANDS.
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Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2020, 05:04:53 pm
Is there any chance Trump takes NV, or AZ was called too early and Trump takes AZ?
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 05:08:41 pm
Is there any chance Trump takes NV, or AZ was called too early and Trump takes AZ?
Definitely a chance but it seems real unlikely.

AZ has been called by Fox and AP. There is still 400k votes outstanding, 250k of which is Maricopa county mail-ins. (Biden leads just under 100k.) Maricopa is going 52-46 Biden. This is likely a good call. We will know more after two voting "dump" announcements scheduled for 9pm EST and 12:30am EST.

Nevada is a 8k margin for Biden. The remaining vote is write-ins from Clark County (Vegas) a Dem stronghold. There is not a clear path to a Trump comeback here either. We will get a new vote count from them noon EST tomorrow.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 05:17:50 pm
CNN calling Michigan.
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Post by: sweetcell on November 04, 2020, 05:20:59 pm
so there is some sort of a kerfuffle going on at a Detroit polling station, hard to tell what's going on: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/04/poll-challengers-converge-detroit-amid-close-election-results/6161484002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/04/poll-challengers-converge-detroit-amid-close-election-results/6161484002/)

edit: https://twitter.com/PattersonNBC/status/1324086177885003778 (https://twitter.com/PattersonNBC/status/1324086177885003778)
&
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/04/tcf-center-challengers-detroit-michigan/6164715002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/04/tcf-center-challengers-detroit-michigan/6164715002/)

so embarrassing.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 05:26:46 pm
CNN calling Michigan.
Nice!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 05:35:56 pm
Yeah a bunch of Karens acting up in the D....
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Post by: vansmack on November 04, 2020, 05:59:00 pm
Jessica Kiang
@jessicakiang
·
4m
Biden has won 100% of the states Sufjan Stevens wrote albums about!
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Post by: sweetcell on November 04, 2020, 06:12:00 pm
a LOL from a buddy:

Quote
Math time: AZ + NV = 8645
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Post by: vansmack on November 04, 2020, 06:24:34 pm
Nevada had a change of heart "due to interest"  - will report some numbers to day.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/nevada-election-results-update-wont-come-until-thursday/
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2020, 06:25:03 pm
He's 'hereby claiming' again


@realDonaldTrump... Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....
.....there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 06:26:28 pm
About as viable and important as my claim on the moon
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 04, 2020, 07:32:34 pm
Here’s hoping some Karens spend the night in a Detroit holding cell...
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 08:25:36 pm
Nevada is doubling back and not giving any numbers tonite.

Fulton County (GA) says their vote count will be done tonite.

Very outside chance at a call tonite but tomorrow is looking very good.

Nate Cohn and Wasserman are predicting Biden to win PA by over 2%. !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 09:21:05 pm
Senator Peters re-elected


He is a lucky man


He really needs to raise his profile as I didn’t know he existed until a few months ago
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 10:24:01 pm
AZ?
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 10:49:00 pm
AZ?
Tightening wildly. It’s gonna be close, I think. Less than a point. Biden still favored.

Bigger story: the math in PA is approaching catastrophic for Trump.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 10:50:37 pm
The last 600k votes counted for Biden went Biden by 50% (!!!!!). He needs the remaining ballots — from the same pool — to break for him by only 22% for him to win the state.

The. Execution. Is. Happening.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 11:04:06 pm
Good to read cause I was suddenly very cranky
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2020, 11:13:56 pm
I think the polls had this exactly right: the state that will be called and give this to Biden will be PA. Sometime tomorrow.
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Post by: hutch on November 04, 2020, 11:46:08 pm
Works for me...any American state will do!

Pollsters had hits and misses... they definitely read a lot right...


GA down to 32,300 difference ...now 31748


It would be crazy if Fox News AZ call that gave us hope ended up being wrong....
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2020, 12:08:38 am
If Fox fucking News is the first agency to call a Biden victory, it may surpass my wedding as the happiest moment of my life.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 05, 2020, 06:52:06 am
So the rubes have fallen for sharpiegate?

Can’t make this up anymore...
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 07:33:30 am
Maybe all is not lost in GA for ossoff

Perdue may not break 50% and they go to a run off

GA Senate Election Results

Perdue (R): 50.07% (2,430,335 votes)
Ossoff (D): 47.62% (2,311,393 votes)
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 08:39:39 am
Wow...looking like Trump will get 74 Million in the popular vote (to Joe's 80)
That stat has me troubled as he gained over 10 million votes!
Still a little bitter by the blowout in FL
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 08:44:28 am
Lets see what is going on with that QAnon that was going to take a House seat
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmCMd6JXIAYF47c?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 08:46:49 am
So the polls had you fooled into thinking America was more liberal than it is?

Or you still can’t accept that many Americans identify with Trump? You kept assuming all the new turnout was going to go to Biden! Kept telling you that you couldn’t assume that... you almost had this attitude that anybody voting in 2020 that didn’t in 2016 couldn’t possibly vote for Trump


Florida... you been there right? Did you think it was all Coconut Grove and chicks with dicks on South Beach?

Sounds like you don’t know this country very well...it ain’t Arlington


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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2020, 08:56:08 am
TODAY IS THE DAY
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2020, 08:56:55 am
If y'all had listened to Julian's America years ago, you would own a Veuve Clicquot champagne handbag and today is the exact day it was made for.
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Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 08:59:44 am
All I can say is today BETTER be the day!
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Post by: Space Freely on November 05, 2020, 09:44:22 am
So the polls had you fooled into thinking America was more liberal than it is?

Or you still can’t accept that many Americans identify with Trump? You kept assuming all the new turnout was going to go to Biden! Kept telling you that you couldn’t assume that... you almost had this attitude that anybody voting in 2020 that didn’t in 2016 couldn’t possibly vote for Trump


Florida... you been there right? Did you think it was all Coconut Grove and chicks with dicks on South Beach?

Sounds like you don’t know this country very well...it ain’t Arlington

My mom didn't vote in 2016 and voted for Trump in 2020. She is definitely not a chick with a dick. She is a low critical thinking, uneducated person who fears "socialism" (even though she is of the economic class which most benefits from government programs) and probably even feels comfort in authoritarianism. She's also not even a wee bit racist, though some SJW's would automatically brand her as such.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2020, 09:47:40 am
I know it matters only to me but Biden is going to win Michigan by 3+%.
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Post by: Space Freely on November 05, 2020, 10:04:18 am
I know it matters only to me but Biden is going to win Michigan by 3+%.

If it means it's such a margin that Trump can't really dispute the numbers, then I care.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 05, 2020, 10:10:54 am
So the polls had you fooled into thinking America was more liberal than it is?

Or you still can’t accept that many Americans identify with Trump? You kept assuming all the new turnout was going to go to Biden! Kept telling you that you couldn’t assume that... you almost had this attitude that anybody voting in 2020 that didn’t in 2016 couldn’t possibly vote for Trump


Florida... you been there right? Did you think it was all Coconut Grove and chicks with dicks on South Beach?

Sounds like you don’t know this country very well...it ain’t Arlington

My mom didn't vote in 2016 and voted for Trump in 2020. She is definitely not a chick with a dick. She is a low critical thinking, uneducated person who fears "socialism" (even though she is of the economic class which most benefits from government programs) and probably even feels comfort in authoritarianism. She's also not even a wee bit racist, though some SJW's would automatically brand her as such.

i'm thinking this is one of the  biggest challenge centrist liberals and progressives have a the moment, how to create and sell programs to poor rural american to benefit them without coming off as socialism... it could be a simple as effective opiod rehab and then employment

that and getting more democrats running in all the local races where republicans run opposed... my far better half is now doing research for this group... https://contesteveryrace.com/

also need to start paying attention to these non-partisan judicial races and partisan sheriff and DA races
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 05, 2020, 10:18:32 am
and as Danica Roem pointed out yesterday,

New rule, Democrats:

Any time we donate to a federal campaign, we match it to a local/state campaign where our donations make a much bigger splash per dollar.

Agreed?

https://twitter.com/pwcdanica/status/1324103402540965888?s=20
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Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 10:24:14 am
Ugh


Although, Biden is a centrist!


This is what makes the fact a Trump had some success painting him a socialist so infuriating

https://www.axios.com/gop-senate-biden-transition-50ebe6c8-e318-4fdb-b903-048908b3b954.html

I see winning any senate seats in Georgia as pure pie in the sky... our best and only shot was Tuesday
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 05, 2020, 10:40:14 am
no kidding Biden is a centrist, some even  accuse him of being a republican

what the world needs is more practical liberals... go pie in the sky when you can, but try to make it work on a smaller scale if need be..
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Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 10:42:36 am
Anyone else think Mitch and mist senate Republicans are glad Trump lost?


Worked out perfect once they shoehorned that last Supreme Court justice
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 05, 2020, 11:12:36 am
Given we have sharpiegate, i'm sure it's only a matter of time before we get wagongate... more further evidence a lack of critical thinking skills

from Russ Jones local Detroit news reporter

A conservative “news” site reports catching a man wheeling in “suspicious” equipment to the Detroit convention center, implying it was used to steal ballots.

The “ballot thief” was my photographer. He was bringing down equipment for our 12-hour shift.

https://twitter.com/rossjonesWXYZ/status/1324213924250660869?s=20

the wagon in question?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmDj3k_WkAEofPP?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: vansmack on November 05, 2020, 12:36:47 pm
A nice light read:

Ernie Chambers (https://twitter.com/aschrock/status/1324071351112491008)

My wife @RebeccaSittler, a Nebraska native, reminded me today of why NE splits its electoral votes.

If Biden does not win PA, NE's single electoral vote (from districts around Omaha) will be why he has 270. THIS lone blue dot.

The reason is Ernie Chambers.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 12:57:21 pm
very cool and exactly the reason the EC doesn't work....Most states went with"winner take all" and large swaths of voters have been disenfranchised ever since.
Was that way when they invented the rules for the EC and they didn't predict that would happen

And make short-sleeve sweatshirts cool again.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2020, 01:39:04 pm
Nate Silver just tweeted he is not a decision desk but he deems Nevada "callable" at this point as he sees no path for Trump to win.

This would push Biden to 270 among the news agencies that have called AZ for him (Fox, AP, Economist, et al). We would be in a weird scenario and have to see what other networks do if Fox News is actively calling Joe Biden the President Elect in a few hours and they are not.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 05, 2020, 01:57:36 pm
One of favorite election stories is about the sheriff deputy who was fired for being a lesbian, who turned around and ran for sheriff and beat her old boss who fired her... 

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/11/sheriff-fired-shes-lesbian-ran-shell-new-sheriff-now/
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Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 05, 2020, 02:11:10 pm
This would push Biden to 270 among the news agencies that have called AZ for him (Fox, AP, Economist, et al). We would be in a weird scenario and have to see what other networks do if Fox News is actively calling Joe Biden the President Elect in a few hours and they are not.

I think there will be incredible pressure inside and out for Fox to rescind their stance on AZ. They’ve been pretty firm on it up until now but......
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Post by: vansmack on November 05, 2020, 02:17:23 pm
This would push Biden to 270 among the news agencies that have called AZ for him (Fox, AP, Economist, et al). We would be in a weird scenario and have to see what other networks do if Fox News is actively calling Joe Biden the President Elect in a few hours and they are not.

I can't wait to watch this play out.....
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Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 03:00:22 pm
This is too funny


https://twitter.com/GorillaMamaWho/status/1324180525456777216?s=20
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Post by: shemptiness on November 05, 2020, 03:19:41 pm
Chris Wallace just said Fox is sticking with the call on Az
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 03:32:20 pm
is something wrong...  I have not heard Hunter Biden mentioned in 2 days?
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Post by: vansmack on November 05, 2020, 03:41:03 pm
I know it matters only to me but Biden is going to win Michigan by 3+%.

Kathleen Gray, in Detroit 5m ago

A Michigan judge denied a request from the Trump campaign to halt the counting of ballots in the state, pointing out that the tallying of absentee ballots was already completed.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 03:44:50 pm
So can you submit this a verification that you are incapable of making good decisions on your own.

Kanye West received 60,000 votes in the presidential election (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kanye-west-received-60000-votes-in-the-presidential-election)
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2020, 04:15:21 pm
is something wrong...  I have not heard Hunter Biden mentioned in 2 days?
He's out there distributing laptops all across the countryside that will one day grow into might desktops.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 04:20:17 pm
I'm not sure why the dems can't reach the Latinx vote...I'd say this is almost exclusively why we lost TX and FL soo bad
in Texas, 41 percent to 47 percent of Hispanic voters backed Trump
In Florida, Trump won 45 percent of the Latino vote


Now a bigger minority than the Black vote.   I keep thinking those votes will be a slam dunk.  I get the cubans...a little
I just don't know how you can vote for someone who clearly hates your kind
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2020, 04:25:51 pm
The Pennsylvania count was clipping along yesterday processing hundreds of thousands of ballots and it's absolutely slowed to a crawl today. I really would just like this "called" so its over (psychologically) and the GOPers can start abandoning ship.
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Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 04:31:55 pm
Latinos are not a monolithic group..

Many Latinos don’t like illegal immigration

Many Latinos are strongly against abortion

Obviously it seems some Latinos might be attracted to authoritarianism although its complex

It’s not just Cuban Americans who really get into the whole “socialism will destroy America” thing

Thinking along the lines of “Hey black people all vote D why can’t Latinos” is kind of stupid....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 04:32:50 pm
Not sure what happened with the count...it’s kind of embarrassing


Barely any new count today
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2020, 04:35:46 pm
Many Latinos are strongly against abortion
This. It's this. Everything else in your list added together is not as impactful as this.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 05:10:16 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmFcR7hXIAAXWTL?format=jpg&name=900x900)

and yes, Latinx voters are not one monolith block.  It just amazes me how he regularly denigrates them, yet still gets their vote.
I guess the military and their families have the same problem.

But you can't fight the abortion thing...


Also is this the count that Trump is trying to stop??
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/f1ab24aa0479771b79a2770b576bec53/tumblr_owfz2ttxOe1wzvt9qo2_500.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 05:31:26 pm
Trump's lead in Pennsylvania now under 100,000 votes
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Post by: grateful on November 05, 2020, 05:43:43 pm
Many Latinos are strongly against abortion
This. It's this. Everything else in your list added together is not as impactful as this.

Don't discount the immigration issue.  Many Latinx people I know make a sharp distinction between "good immigrants" (like themselves) and "bad immigrants" (like asylum seekers).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 06:33:56 pm
Biden down less than 10,000 in Georgia



It’s going to be close!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 06:58:06 pm
Trump's lead in Pennsylvania now under 100,000 votes

Now under 80,000

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 05, 2020, 07:28:49 pm
And make short-sleeve sweatshirts cool again.
a
do0d, if Bill Belichick hasn't been able to make that happen over the last 20+ years, then it ain't happening.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 05, 2020, 07:44:57 pm
is something wrong...  I have not heard Hunter Biden mentioned in 2 days?

you know what we are still hearing about?  coronavirus.  weird.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on November 05, 2020, 08:02:27 pm
Can we get John King to explain to this guy why he was winning until he wasn't?  God knows he's told us enough times.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 08:36:17 pm
Georgia down to 3486 vote lead for Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on November 05, 2020, 08:49:51 pm
Georgia down to 3486 vote lead for Trump

In Georgia, thats an ANDRE3000 vote difference....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 08:51:47 pm
Man, can’t believe I agree with this

I believe my friend Luis  nailed it 💯
I get it, you hated him 4 years ago and you still hate him now.  I've seen a lot of hate thrown his way, but this guy is a consistent winner and an overachiever.  That's what the people who support him love about him.  Yes there have been some scandals, yes there have been some lies, and maybe a few times he's twisted the truth to make himself look better.  He's out there everyday proving those haters wrong time after time.  Call it jealously, call it envy, some people just can't handle how successful he is and how much money he has, could even be jealous that he's got a hot foreign model as his wife.  You may not have wanted him in this role, but he's there now and there is nothing you or I can do about it.  I know its possibly going to get worse over the next several days, but like him or not, Tom Brady is turning things around in Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 10:10:13 pm
2,497 in GA
48,900 in PA

We could get some calls tonight!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 05, 2020, 10:24:34 pm
A little bit ago I saw a breakdown of outstanding votes in GA and 11000 came from Biden counties but 7000 came from heavily Trump counties


It’s going to be super super tight...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 10:27:11 pm
Have they tallied outstanding overseas ballots (military/state dept) and dealt with the provisional ballots


This was a pretty classic response to Tuberville making some stupid statement about how voting works


What the president is doing would be like if Coach Tuberville discussed the 2008 Auburn football season by only talking up his 5 victories and pretended the 7 losses -- including that loss to Alabama, hooboy -- didn't happen.
@jaketapper https://twitter.com/TTuberville/status/1324521345615601670
 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 10:38:44 pm
1902 Georgia
42142 Pennsylvania
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/K3kR9EZj8Uwk8/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47fb9417e0d8d868a278ce8705f1ac0c0896e1bad8&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 05, 2020, 10:47:32 pm
1902 Georgia
42142 Pennsylvania
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/K3kR9EZj8Uwk8/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47fb9417e0d8d868a278ce8705f1ac0c0896e1bad8&rid=giphy.gif)

Where are you getting your numbers from? Still 2497 on google live.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2020, 10:50:53 pm

Where are you getting your numbers from? Still 2500+ on google live.
NYTimes
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmG34SJUcAIYnBp?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 02:24:35 am
GA down to 1700 per CNN
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 02:38:32 am
PA now stands at 18,229
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 02:48:00 am
GA down to 1700 per CNN

1200-something!!!


Edit: 1267. Thank you Clayton County!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 03:12:06 am
PA now stands at 18,229

163.5K ballots left to count. Expected to be 70%+ in favor of Joe. You do the math (I'm way too drunk to do it myself at the moment). PARTAY!!!111
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 03:37:45 am
hello, this is the overnight shift's handoff report.  per the talking heads on CNN:
- biden is going to win PA.  TBD if it falls within the realm of an automatic recount (>0.5%).  this alone will get him declared president-elect tomorrow, likely shortly after noon.
- biden will win GA, with less than 0.5% margin, so an automatic recount will be triggered.  it won't change the outcome.
- trump will overtake in AZ, but it won't matter - see first point above.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 06:12:29 am
Biden in the lead in Georgia!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 06:56:12 am
Biden GA Margin:  + 1,096 (and growing)


Not sure these are accurate of what is left in GA
15,000 VBM, 20,000 provisionals and 9,000 military absentees with today’s deadline arrival. All will skew Biden 8-2...military ballots..if they arrive 6-4 Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 06, 2020, 08:21:59 am
A thread of observations from a non-partisan poll watcher in Detroit, on the behavior of the "non-existent" Republican poll waters there...

spoiler - white privilege in full effect

https://twitter.com/juliecmoroney/status/1324558603961991169?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 09:01:08 am
A lot of thanks going out to Stacey Abrams as of late

Votes in GA
Biden - 2,444,980 votes (and counting)
Clinton - 1,877,963
Obama - 1,773,827
Obama - 1,844,123

Could bode well for the run offs, but not getting my hopes up yet
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 09:04:04 am
If Georgia holds, I will be insufferable to the trash-ass part of my family for the next four years. IN-SUF-FER-ABLE.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 09:51:30 am
BIDEN LEAD IN PENNSYLVANIA OFFICIAL
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 06, 2020, 09:52:05 am
Biden takes PA!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 09:52:52 am
(https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 09:59:56 am
Decision Desk, one of the ten major news organizations that can call according to Twitter, has called PA and the election for Biden at 8:50am.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 10:00:40 am
He just has the lead...hasn't been called

Also, there is almost no similarity to how bush took the election in 2000 to the way Trump is trying to get this to the supreme court
Gore was trying to get more votes counted in 1 close state, Trump is trying to get already counted votes thrown out in multiple states
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 10:10:47 am
is it too early to uncork the champagne? (asking for a friend)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 10:21:08 am
Do you think Trump will concede via Tweet (and of course with some backhanded remarks in there)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 10:23:37 am
The daily show revives its' "moment of zen" with this pic
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmJVDn1XEAAJKH7?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 10:24:49 am
is it too early to uncork the champagne? (asking for a friend)
Depends if you personal consider Decision Desk HQ a major news agency. Worst case scenario, the champagne needs to be on a lot of ice and the saber should be in your hand.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 06, 2020, 10:29:51 am
@mocoshow

"Nobody in Montgomery County is surprised how long its taking to get to 270"
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 10:48:43 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmJdOvwW0AAyoia?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 10:50:53 am
Vox and Business Insider have also called the election. What network will be first?
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Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 11:03:04 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmJdOvwW0AAyoia?format=jpg&name=360x360)

I love this one!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 11:05:43 am
Fox News will not refer to Biden as President-Elect.
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Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 11:12:33 am
^yeah that’s pretty low...

There is a weird dynamic there... I mean Trump May well find funding for his own network and he is definitely nursing a grudge against Fox

Fox wants to reprise it’s Obama era role as the opposition network and don’t want to provide an opening for “TNN”


Also Trump is Fox News’ number one star and draw...

I really think it’s not overstated to say Rupert Murdoch has done the most damage to the world of any human in the past few decades...he is a cancer
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 11:15:03 am
I mean Trump May well find funding for his own network and he is definitely nursing a grudge against Fox
I said back in 2016 I thought the entire point of his Presidential bid was to launch his own news/media empire. Nothing has changed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 12:01:21 pm
I mean Trump May well find funding for his own network and he is definitely nursing a grudge against Fox
I said back in 2016 I thought the entire point of his Presidential bid was to launch his own news/media empire. Nothing has changed.
Agree 100%, was all to improve the Trump brand.  and if Hil had won, that grift would have worked perfectly
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 12:11:11 pm
are there enough votes for Perdue to get to 50%...he doesn't need that many
Also, I can't believe they haven't called Kelly
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 12:20:12 pm
are there enough votes for Perdue to get to 50%...he doesn't need that many
Very unlikely. Something would have to be really off or a current vote county in one county incorrect.

Also, I can't believe they haven't called Kelly
I think some places have.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 12:30:22 pm
ABC/538 just called it for Kelly.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 06, 2020, 12:35:13 pm
and now we get Taco Trucks on every corner!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 01:00:36 pm
@mocoshow

"Nobody in Montgomery County is surprised how long its taking to get to 270"

A+
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 01:40:07 pm
El Rushbo sounds insane

Talking about democrats stealing election, vote harvesting etc

Tuning him out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 01:47:47 pm
The Julian Decision Desk is predicting Stage 4 Cancer to be the victor in its battle against Rush Limbaugh.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 02:11:45 pm
and now we get Taco Trucks on every corner!!!
thank goodness...but will Biden deliver on this campaign promise?

So will it be all 4 corners at an intersection...or is one corner enough?

What about 7 corners? 

What about long stretches of road that don't have corners

We need to know these answers
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 03:19:26 pm
More time for retrospection later but for as wild as this election cycle seemed, its honestly exactly what we all would've called at the midterms.

Who were the Democrats most likely to nominate in 2018? Joe Biden. There was a wild, contracted battle for the nomination, but ultimately it was Joe Biden who led in polls virtually wire-to-wire.

Who did we speculate would be Joe Biden's running mate? Kamala Harris.  There was a wild, contracted battle for the nomination, but ultimately it was Kamala Harris.

What was Biden's path to victory? Winning back PA, MI, and WI which he was uniquely equipped to do as a white, son of the Midwest. What did he flip? PA, MI, and WI.

Like this election cycle seems wild and vitriolic and all that but we are exactly at where we predicted in 2018. Like Georgia (likely) going blue is the one thing off script.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 06, 2020, 03:22:50 pm
The Julian Decision Desk is predicting Stage 4 Cancer to be the victor in its battle against Rush Limbaugh.

Praise the Lord for letting him lie long enough the see a Trump defeat.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 06, 2020, 03:24:18 pm
More time for retrospection later but for as wild as this election cycle seemed, its honestly exactly what we all would've called at the midterms.

Who were the Democrats most likely to nominate in 2018? Joe Biden. There was a wild, contracted battle for the nomination, but ultimately it was Joe Biden who led in polls virtually wire-to-wire.

Who did we speculate would be Joe Biden's running mate? Kamala Harris.  There was a wild, contracted battle for the nomination, but ultimately it was Kamala Harris.

What was Biden's path to victory? Winning back PA, MI, and WI which he was uniquely equipped to do as a white, son of the Midwest. What did he flip? PA, MI, and WI.

Like this election cycle seems wild and vitriolic and all that but we are exactly at where we predicted in 2018. Like Georgia (likely) going blue is the one thing off script.

And quite possibly Arizona. Maybe thanks in part to his shit-talking of John McCain.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 03:29:11 pm
I can’t wait to hash out my post mortem!!

But it is true that change in America is very slow and incremental

Part of the reason I cannot stand the looney left and their pie in the sky approach...they just don’t recognize the country I see around me

The US is very conservative about making changes...it’s infuriating but it’s true
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 03:31:15 pm
But trump is not a conservative
or by what that word used to mean
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 03:36:25 pm
I wrote conservative about change.


I don’t mean someone who is against legalized abortion, government services, etc


I am not saying the US is conservative (like Republican self professed policies)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 04:36:41 pm
More time for retrospection later but for as wild as this election cycle seemed, its honestly exactly what we all would've called at the midterms.

really?  because after the blue wave of 2018, a lot of folks on the left were giddy at the prospect of thumping trump in 2020.  proof: there is widespread disappointment that the expected blue wave didn't materialize this year.

Who were the Democrats most likely to nominate in 2018? Joe Biden. There was a wild, contracted battle for the nomination, but ultimately it was Joe Biden who led in polls virtually wire-to-wire.

iowa, new hampshire and nevada would like to have a word with you.

Who did we speculate would be Joe Biden's running mate? Kamala Harris.  There was a wild, contracted battle for the nomination, but ultimately it was Kamala Harris.

she was indeed a top contender all along, but you can't look back and say that the position was hers to lose.  a lot of other contenders had their moments in the spotlight.

Like this election cycle seems wild and vitriolic and all that but we are exactly at where we predicted in 2018. Like Georgia (likely) going blue is the one thing off script.

i dunno, man.  hindsight is 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 04:47:03 pm
someone just texted me that "Fox has called Penn in favor of Biden, president-elect to address nation tonight" - can anyone confirm??
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 04:47:35 pm
Paragraph 1: The "expected blue wave" (winning florida, winning texas, winning Ohio, "SOUTH CAROLINA IS IN PLAY") is something we started thinking about in earnest around the time of Debate #1. My whole point is, for all the madness, we reverted to probably the most Frank Turner-esque predictions in 2018.

Paragraph 2: OK, "wire to wire" is maybe not accurate. Biden was the favorite in 2018, he was the favorite all of 2019, there maybe existed 2 weeks where people questioned if Joe Biden would be the nominee. And again, to your point, this FEELS like so much happened, but it was literally super static the entire time.

Paragraph 3: Didn't say it was always hers to lose. I'm saying she was the  favorite for the VP spot as soon as it was clear it was Biden, and it did turn up being her. This is my point -- this all kinda went exactly to script.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 06, 2020, 04:48:11 pm
someone just texted me that "Fox has called Penn in favor of Biden, president-elect to address nation tonight" - can anyone confirm??
Not on my TV.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 05:09:17 pm
The amount of emails I've received from the Ossoff campaign for the $10 I sent them a few months ago is really not proportional
I would say easily over 100
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 05:09:37 pm
so i got an update - my texter was talking about Decision Desk, not Fox News.  apparently DD made this call (https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/) this morning at 8:50 am?  they have declared Biden to be president-elect.

https://www.vox.com/21552641/joe-biden-wins-pennsylvania-decision-desk (https://www.vox.com/21552641/joe-biden-wins-pennsylvania-decision-desk)

www.270towin.com/news (http://www.270towin.com/news)
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2020, 05:19:32 pm
Interesting stat
While Arlington went 80.73% for Joe

Precinct: 011 - EAST FALLS CHURCH - went for trump
Biden  156     47.56%
Trump 159     48.48%

That's not even North Arlington!

https://results.elections.virginia.gov/vaelections/2020%20November%20General/Site/Locality/ARLINGTON_COUNTY/President_and_Vice_President.html

I think this is only in person Election day votes...as 2016 stats for 011 went 74% for Hillary
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Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 05:43:09 pm
That’s a few blocks from where I am typing...2 precincts over...


I am not sure about north Arlington vs south Arlington


To me it’s pretty obvious Arlington is divided by Columbia Ave into N and S

But I guess you are saying the most Tony part of Arlington closer to the Potomac is a neighborhood you call “North Arlington”


When I am describing where I live I call it Westover right next to East Falls Church Metro and the opposite corner from Sidehatch over in South Arlington..


 





Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 05:49:31 pm
Many Latinos are strongly against abortion
This. It's this. Everything else in your list added together is not as impactful as this.

so there was an interesting piece on NPR this morning about why latinos electoral behavior didn't match what the polls predicted.  among the reasons:
- pollsters tend to over-emphasize college-educated latinos, and under-represent non-college latinos
- pollsters do a terrible job of contacting folks who don't speak english, or who prefer to interact in spanish.
- the latino population is younger than the general US population.  applying the averages and curves of the former to the latter will yield unrepresentative results, but (some) pollsters do it anyways.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 06:17:31 pm
I hadn’t seen this til now but this is what I am saying


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/05/biden-mcconnell-relationship-434524


Edit: ok a lot of that article is terrible but the gist of it is correct... anyone expecting Biden to appoint extremists to his cabinet is in for a rude awakening and Biden is going to try to work with Mitch and anyone he can find
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2020, 06:35:23 pm

LOL:

Ronna McDaniel asks for ‘time’ to produce specific claims of alleged voter fraud (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/06/ronna-mcdaniel-alleged-voter-fraud-434724)
The RNC chair was pressed by Fox News anchors about unsubstantiated claims of widespread irregularities.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 08:21:34 pm
Although then you read stuff like this and instead of wanting to work together you want to line them up for the firing squad

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-madison-wisconsin-d1635384c333e515cd594bb96363ce67
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 12:11:05 am

I am not sure about north Arlington vs south Arlington


To me it’s pretty obvious Arlington is divided by Columbia Ave into N and S
you know nothing about Arlington even though you probably have close to 20 years in it

It's like the crypts and the bloods...and the real border is rt 50

You are west Arlington...but NW to be certain, because rt 50
Not quite as posh as the Northern Suburbs, but less multicultural and less subsidized housing then deep south of Arlington...where the real arlintonions live...where Inner Ear Stuido is!

Did you see that Arlington was a $1000 Jeopardy question a few weeks ago
(https://s26551.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Screen-Shot-2020-10-23-at-10.40.18-AM-630x420.jpg)

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 12:12:34 am
Joe Biden's lead in Pennsylvania has grown to 28,883 votes.

is this a done deal then?
Republican Sen. David Perdue and Democrat Jon Ossoff will face off in a Jan. 5 runoff in Georgia for Perdue’s U.S. Senate seat


Man if we had all that money we spent in FL, SC and KY...and saved it for these GA races
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 12:50:45 am
Robert Reich@RBReich
Please don’t forget that the GOP prevented 750,000 predominately Black Floridians from participating in this election
.

This is true...not sure that 4ook would have shown up and voted...but that 65% of the voters in Florida passed a ballot measure to allow those people to vote.  And the GOP halved the number with the tip of a pen.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 08:12:09 am
Should we thanking Jo for Joe?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmOCZMXWEAABNfY?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 10:09:23 am
Question:


Has it ever taken anyone as long as it took Biden to be elected president? By my count he first ran in 1988 so 32 years?


That’s persistence
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 12:29:47 pm
CNN calls it for Joe Biden


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 12:36:34 pm
And ABC, NBC and CBS!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 12:42:15 pm
oh shit, just lost a finger trying to do that champagne/saber thing (the key is to super chilling the neck, not the bottom)
Nice to know that's behind us
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 07, 2020, 12:43:27 pm
Fox has called it too.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on November 07, 2020, 01:43:29 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/124385657_10224560723071910_6984045324224851964_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=gWo5exIUM2kAX-xn7SY&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=6&oh=830f21f8f459ace476ce33e2483a5fb5&oe=5FCDABAA)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 02:17:48 pm
^oh that's good!


I love how these scammers talk "we've not seen any evidence of a crime...not to say it doesn't exist"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 03:08:12 pm
weird times....
400 cars will be allowed in for a drive-thru speech of Biden and Harris tonight at 8PM
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 07, 2020, 03:32:21 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmPggZiU8AI24qM?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/RustBeltRebel/status/1325149641906610180?s=20)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 07, 2020, 04:57:41 pm
oh shit, just lost a finger trying to do that champagne/saber thing (the key is to super chilling the neck, not the bottom)
Nice to know that's behind us
How do you have telephonic access to me and not get me and Jen on the line if you’re going to try this for the first time? Come on, man!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 07, 2020, 04:59:25 pm
The sheer fucking amount of clicquot and johnnie Walker blue I’ve ingested and will ingest further tonite is staggering. Photos of a really cool box incoming Monday.

We have work to do as Dems down ballot but my heart is full. God we needed this after 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 05:23:16 pm
CNN calls it for Joe Biden
Hey 2020 .... thanks for NOT being On brand on this one... it was a rough year
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 05:36:15 pm
Shezzus AOC and the loony left are freaking out:


Hey Kasich didn’t deliver Ohio and Omar delivered MN so how dare Kasich talk

And the Lincoln project wasted their money ! They should give the 74 million to the local election workers in Philly, Detroit and Atlanta

Oh the poor progressives aren’t getting enough credit! Wash wah

It’s pretty pathetic that they cannot even just celebrate and take a day off from squawking and squabbling
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 06:11:30 pm
Donnie emerged to Twitter and he stayed on brand with the crazy talk


And yeah AOC went a little too far, was not necessary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 09:30:35 pm
Joe on in 5
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 09:33:55 pm
I am so glad they put together a rally with actual people


Love the pick up trucks and horns



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 09:46:02 pm
He just thanked poll worker Sidehatch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 09:47:43 pm
I just heard a shout out for Walkie
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 09:48:16 pm
Did he just say Yada and Julian are Americans?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 09:51:45 pm
Did I just hear him name Heilung to his covid task force?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 07, 2020, 09:54:25 pm
Did he just say Yada and Julian are Americans?
No, he said I was and Yadas musical taste sucks. Trust me, I was bouncing up and down in my seat.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 09:54:50 pm
Did he just say live concerts for all Americans?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 10:07:58 pm
Am I the only one with issues that they used Coldplay during the fireworks portion
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 10:13:42 pm
Am I the only one with issues that they used Coldplay during the fireworks portion
OK now I feel horrible as apparently that was Beau’s  favorite and played at his funeral
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 07, 2020, 11:10:25 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/G2n744b/fine.gif) (https://twitter.com/novysan/status/1325231581028618242)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 11:23:36 pm
Hey I know where Hunter Biden is!


Wilmington
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WALKonBack on November 08, 2020, 12:56:23 am
Am I the only one with issues that they used Coldplay during the fireworks portion
OK now I feel horrible as apparently that was Beau’s  favorite and played at his funeral

When, you come for Coldplay . . . that's what you fucking get.

Be best, bitch.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 08, 2020, 07:11:11 am
It is nice that the news media is putting the word "fraud." in quotes when they discuss what a 1 term loser keeps saying
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 08, 2020, 01:55:57 pm
Seriously why can’t we have more progressives like Warren... progressive but particular.. I hope she works to try to fix this silly fission beginning to take place.. already getting sick of the sniping between centrists and progressives
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2020, 02:57:34 pm
Probably AOC got word she (or maybe Bernie) was being frozen out so she decided to make a stink....

The timing is kind of poor..can’t we enjoy this?

Anyways I don’t care how much she tweets she isn’t going to convince me of much.. she just wants to say the Democratic Party is to blame (the DNC) for having poor results in Senate and house races

I think democrats failure on impeachment (which progressives led push on) is why democrats didn’t do well in congressional races... when you impeach you have to have finding of guilt and removal otherwise people get pissed

Ironically the progressives pushed Nancy to impeach and now will blame her (and try to scalp her) for poor results they are responsible for!

Fortunately Biden kept as far away as possible from the whole impeachment thing..








Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 08, 2020, 04:17:47 pm
I do think democrats need to have this reckoning. AOc and Spanberger are both 100% correct on certain issues and also 100% intellectually dishonest on others. I’ll extrapolate more on this but so much jewelry is getting bought for the misses right now as I continue to poor top scotch and champagne down my fucking gullet.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on November 09, 2020, 12:55:19 pm
Here's my question about recknonings, should Biden's DOJ investigate Trump and his clan for all of their crimes?  Does it help deter people from doing the same thing in the past, and kill him off as a political force?  Or is it something that should be avoided because it hurts with national unity?

For the record, I think that the Dems lost House votes in part because having Trump on the ticket allows R's to split their vote and also because the Dems ran a campaign that didn't involve actually talking about the economy or how to fix things.  It worked, Trump was toxic enough that he lost the race, but i don't think it helped down ballot.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 01:07:57 pm
Everyone sees what they want to see....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 01:24:53 pm
DOJ should be politically independent.



If DJT and his associates did the crime they must do the time.


Seems obvious
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 01:49:02 pm
should Biden's DOJ investigate Trump and his clan for all of their crimes?  Does it help deter people from doing the same thing in the past, and kill him off as a political force? 
1.Biden and the dems need to reign in Executive power and put some laws/consequences on the books.  My understanding is that the Hatch act and Emoluments clause have no teeth and are more gentleman's agreements, not laws.  Especially the stuff about nepotism and security clearances.  The party in power never wants to do, but if we don't do it, we'll run into this again
2. Well with DJT...NYstate (and possibly) other states may have quite a docket for him to deal with.  But I do think that DOJ should do a lot of digging in Jared, Ivanka, D Jr. and Eric.  As well as the Roger Stone/Rudy and their ilk.  I think there was a LOT of dirty dealing done with this crowd and I want it investigated and documented
Quote
Or is it something that should be avoided because it hurts with national unity?
Yes...that's why I think the DOJ let's the states do the dirty work with Don. I don't think the DOJ should put a former president on trial.
What pisses me off about these national unity pleas (and I'm somewhat one of them) is it is very one sided and my opinion is if the shoe was on the other foot, no effort would be made for leiency
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 01:53:25 pm
A friend of mine posted this if you wanted to have a background for you zoom/teams calls that might get a chuckle

(https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=TlK0JckDfgQCrg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 09, 2020, 02:06:55 pm
turns out one of the participates in that "press conference" is a known sex offender from NJ who has run for multiple offices there... wonder if he made a side trip after the presser :p
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on November 09, 2020, 02:12:07 pm
Everyone sees what they want to see....

Doesn't see what they want to see, is probably more accurate.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on November 09, 2020, 02:13:00 pm
should Biden's DOJ investigate Trump and his clan for all of their crimes?  Does it help deter people from doing the same thing in the past, and kill him off as a political force? 
1.Biden and the dems need to reign in Executive power and put some laws/consequences on the books.  My understanding is that the Hatch act and Emoluments clause have no teeth and are more gentleman's agreements, not laws.  Especially the stuff about nepotism and security clearances.  The party in power never wants to do, but if we don't do it, we'll run into this again
2. Well with DJT...NYstate (and possibly) other states may have quite a docket for him to deal with.  But I do think that DOJ should do a lot of digging in Jared, Ivanka, D Jr. and Eric.  As well as the Roger Stone/Rudy and their ilk.  I think there was a LOT of dirty dealing done with this crowd and I want it investigated and documented
Quote
Or is it something that should be avoided because it hurts with national unity?
Yes...that's why I think the DOJ let's the states do the dirty work with Don. I don't think the DOJ should put a former president on trial.
What pisses me off about these national unity pleas (and I'm somewhat one of them) is it is very one sided and my opinion is if the shoe was on the other foot, no effort would be made for leiency

I general agree that it's better if the states take the lead.  It looks less political.  That said, the federal crimes are different.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 02:14:11 pm
turns out one of the participates in that "press conference" is a known sex offender from NJ who has run for multiple offices there... wonder if he made a side trip after the presser :p
isn't the point of porn...that you aren't sexually offending some one?

--asking for a friend
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 02:32:55 pm
In order to pass a relief bill, trump and McConnell want immunity from prosecution from all lawsuits, for all their actions relating to Corona-virus. 
has this really been said or am I being gullible?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 09, 2020, 02:42:46 pm
So it's easier to explain to Trump that he actually won but can't do anything about it, rather than trying to convince him that he actually lost. (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-campaigns-election-fraud-claims-arent-really-designed-to-win-in-court-01604875368)

But senior officials, campaign aides and allies told the Associated Press that overwhelming evidence of fraud isn’t really the point.

The strategy to wage a legal fight against the votes tallied for Biden in Pennsylvania and other places is more to provide Trump with an off-ramp for a loss he can’t quite grasp and less about changing the election’s outcome, the officials said. They spoke to AP on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal strategy.

Trump aides and allies also acknowledged privately the legal fights would — at best — forestall the inevitable, and some had deep reservations about the president’s attempts to undermine faith in the vote. But they said Trump and a core group of loyalists were aiming to keep his base of supporters on his side even in defeat.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 02:49:44 pm
Everyone sees what they want to see....

Doesn't see what they want to see, is probably more accurate.


That makes no sense


You mean “doesn’t see what they don’t want to see”?


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on November 09, 2020, 03:01:35 pm
Everyone sees what they want to see....

Doesn't see what they want to see, is probably more accurate.


That makes no sense


You mean “doesn’t see what they don’t want to see”?

No, means I didn't see from Biden what I wanted to see from him.  It wasn't anything he actually did (ok, sure fracking pissed me off), it was the absence of what he did that frustrated me.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 03:55:25 pm
Everyone sees what they want to see....

Doesn't see what they want to see, is probably more accurate.


That makes no sense


You mean “doesn’t see what they don’t want to see”?

No, means I didn't see from Biden what I wanted to see from him.  It wasn't anything he actually did (ok, sure fracking pissed me off), it was the absence of what he did that frustrated me.


Right he should have said ban fracking for you to be happy so we could be ushering in a second Trump term.

Fortunately Biden did what he needed to do to win an election here on planet earth not planet what Gavroche wants

Man you are tiresome






Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 04:00:16 pm
The loony left cracks me up! Ok Biden - who we said could never win - wins but he doesn’t do it in the style we wanted...didn’t quite hit the right buzzwords!


GTFO


In the end Biden needed Blacks in certain big cities, and moderate moms in certain suburbs way more than Bernie supporters

Progressives now feel left out! Wah wah

“You should have run on no fracking”


Wah wah


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 04:06:13 pm
And the reason democrats lost- except for Biden- is because the American people didn’t appreciate the Mueller report and impeachment. You know:the impeachment the progressives in the party insisted on having forgetting (?) we didn’t have the votes in the senate.

But yeah let’s pin it on the one guy that came through and won!





Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 04:23:36 pm
by the way...White Men also delivered this Biden win...

2016  39 percent voting for Hillary Clinton
2020  42 percent voted for Joe Biden

I mean that 3% is not anything to shrug

(I mean on the whole, we still kinda suck...but suck a little less now)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 04:26:24 pm
Do we? After the past four years?


There is a problem with men in America.


Think tanks should stop jerking off to hypothetical war games and give this everything they got.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 04:29:58 pm
Between the socialist left and the Republicans it’s tough being a liberal.....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2020, 04:34:56 pm
by the way...White Men also delivered this Biden win...

2016  39 percent voting for Hillary Clinton
2020  42 percent voted for Joe Biden

I mean that 3% is not anything to shrug

This is the worst take ever.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2020, 04:35:45 pm
"Trumps core constituency deserves credit for voting out Trump." Like come on.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 04:35:59 pm
by the way...White Men also delivered this Biden win...

2016  39 percent voting for Hillary Clinton
2020  42 percent voted for Joe Biden

I mean that 3% is not anything to shrug

This is the worst take ever.
It was very tongue in cheek people...relax the fuck down
also the 2020 number was only based on exit polling...so final numbers may differ
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 04:54:21 pm
So according to mitch...the R's who won in state and local elections totally awesome
but refused to accept the outcome of the presidential race on the same ballot
Even brought up 2000 when gore didn't concede until Dec...but that was one state and it was crazy close, not 5 where there is a large margin

Not that we expected anything less
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 05:06:05 pm
I hate to say this but here is an unpopular take

Democrats should try being nice to Mitch and show him some respect


He has the votes..we have tried hating him and cracking jokes about him

Put yourself in his shoes...95% of Republicans love Trump and many senators in the caucus he leads have come out saying crazy things in support of Trump

WTF is he supposed to do?


Yeah let’s keep hating him cause he is good at his job
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 05:08:58 pm
I hate to say this but here is an unpopular take
you are right about that...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 05:12:40 pm
Hey you got a better idea let’s hear it....


What I wrote is what Biden is going to do...I guarantee it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 05:48:50 pm
Hey you got a better idea let’s hear it....

I really don't
I do hate mitch with every fiber in my body though
I was just agreeing that it was an unpopular take, not that it was wrong

I think Joe is the Beer-Summit guy.  He is going to reach across and make compromises
going to go straight down the middle...and make no one happy
but I'm not sure America deserves happiness, we needed to hit rock bottom...joe stopped that, but just means we are going to relapse
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 09, 2020, 07:49:45 pm
How long are these fuckers going to go on trying to steal this thing?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 08:00:42 pm
Maybe until Georgia picks it’s senators?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 08:05:38 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emas4l7VkAErX--?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2020, 12:11:57 pm
talk about a deal. 
The Trump Election Defense fund is offering a 1000% match!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 10, 2020, 12:13:27 pm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/joe-manchin-supreme-court-packing-cnntv/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 10, 2020, 12:20:21 pm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/joe-manchin-supreme-court-packing-cnntv/index.html
Classic Manchin. The Dems have a <1% chance of taking the Senate and a ten percent chance of getting the entire party on board with court packing even if they did take the Senate. He then, as he always does, goes against the Dems when his vote is irrelevant to stay in WVs good graces. He then votes for the Dems when his vote actually can decide things.

This is the dude's whole "keep a seat blue in WV strategy" and it works.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 10, 2020, 12:36:51 pm
Yes...I have grown to have a grudging respect for him..


I mean he is in arguably most Republican state in country

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2020, 12:54:16 pm
real tweet...look at the date
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5faaa4402400003320b04021.png?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 10, 2020, 05:27:49 pm
So according to mitch...the R's who won in state and local elections totally awesome
but refused to accept the outcome of the presidential race on the same ballot
Even brought up 2000 when gore didn't concede until Dec...but that was one state and it was crazy close, not 5 where there is a large margin

Not that we expected anything less

mitch's support of trump is a pure, cold, political calculation and theater. 

mitch wants to remain in power, and control of the senate will hinge upon those two GA runoffs.  because there won't be a president on the ballot, turnout will be low - ergo, whoever can get its base to turn up on january 5th will win.  mitch needs trump's base to retain control. 

Here's the real reason Mitch McConnell won't say Trump should concede (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-conceding/index.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 10, 2020, 07:08:06 pm
Sad trombone

BREAKING NEWS: Erie, Pa. #USPS whistleblower completely RECANTED his allegations of a supervisor tampering with mail-in ballots after being questioned by investigators, according to IG

https://twitter.com/oversightdems/status/1326289047933816836?s=21

Apparently a Project Veritas special,  those conservative dimwits behind the Hunter laptop “scandal”

Hope mr. recanter enjoys his prison time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 10, 2020, 07:34:54 pm
Oh and mr. recanter got 130k in donations from GOP donors... oh well someone has to pay off his lawyer..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 10, 2020, 08:05:38 pm
Sad trombone

BREAKING NEWS: Erie, Pa. #USPS whistleblower completely RECANTED his allegations of a supervisor tampering with mail-in ballots after being questioned by investigators, according to IG

https://twitter.com/oversightdems/status/1326289047933816836?s=21 (https://twitter.com/oversightdems/status/1326289047933816836?s=21)

Apparently a Project Veritas special,  those conservative dimwits behind the Hunter laptop “scandal”

Hope mr. recanter enjoys his prison time

Postal worker admits fabricating allegations of ballot tampering, officials say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-fabricated-ballot-pennsylvania/2020/11/10/99269a7c-2364-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2020, 08:55:43 pm
I don't understand the very second that people hear that Project Veritas is involved that they don't realize it's a total fabrication
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2020, 11:58:31 pm
this guy is worth a follow and literally on the front lines of these battles

Marc E. Elias@marceelias
End of Day 7: Trump is down nearly 5 million votes and he and his allies are 0-12 in court
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 01:04:52 am
Cal Cunningham taps out....with all this illegal voting, shouldn't he stay in for the recounts? or they are not doing that in NC?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 11, 2020, 08:00:46 am
Faux news out doing themselves.. a poll worker in their “polling uniform” sees people driving a biden\harris van filling out ballots... yup when in doubt do fraud in plain sight by a marked van...

Good thing they cloaked this person’s identity  ::) ::)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 08:54:46 am
yup when in doubt do fraud in plain sight by a marked van...

Good thing they cloaked this person’s identity  ::) ::)
well that's how Trump does it, so they just figure everyone else does it that way

the funny response I heard to the 'cloaked identity'.... first time Laura Ingram was nice to a black person

also have you noticed they are quoting the number of complaints of fraud, not actual incidents of fraud
It sucks because his base is just lapping it up and donating to his 'defense' fund (which he and his crew just plan on pocketing)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2020, 08:57:15 am
We are moving from the “there was fraud” phase to the “we are not leaving regardless of whether we won or lost” phase

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2020, 08:58:11 am
I think he was clear


https://twitter.com/Rowvitch2012/status/1325961402000007169?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 09:04:29 am
The thing that grinds my gears as they keep shouting 'there were no observers, we weren't allowed in to watch'
and it's 100% false, in all the states there are people from both parties on the floor doing the observations and counting
Who didn't get in were the nut jobs who just showed up with a sign and an attitude demanding that they now should be included in this 'observation'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 09:21:35 am
Good thing they cloaked this person’s identity  ::) ::)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emg5EeZW4AIIiy4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
if NKOTB was around he might appreciate this
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2020, 09:34:56 am
NKOTB should come back!   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 09:51:28 am
Trump wins Alaska

I demand a Recount!...those Moose were committing fraud!
I saw dead seals voting
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 10:16:45 am
So I know you can make your own decisions...but I can't think of a better way to put your money where your mouth is right now

Contribute to Fair Fight (run by @staceyabrams) Money split between both Democratic candidates for US Senate in Georgia — Jon Ossoff and Rev. Raphael Warnock.

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/georgiasenate

I threw in an Andrew Jackson (fitting as that's trumps favorite)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 10:30:22 am
so this wasn't how I thought we'd make some ground on the Electoral College and the rural state advantage in the Senate...
but heck this would net 2 senators and 6 EC votes

Mississippi Republican calls for his state to ‘succeed from the union’ after Biden victory
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 12:08:27 pm
Georgia secretary of state announces hand recount of presidential race
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2020, 10:46:19 pm
https://djtrumplibrary.com/info
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2020, 12:49:42 am
So final Virginia results just about in and looks like 54-44 for Biden with about a 10% increase in turnout from 2016 when Hillary won by about 5 points
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 12, 2020, 03:03:26 am
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/124840712_3542099939169004_4527682960801422087_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=DtY43cbv5dsAX-9rEy4&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&tp=7&oh=0c62075e4901d383d9cea5575ed6cf11&oe=5FD1207B)
 
source: https://twitter.com/PaulOverbite/status/1325652948299313158
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 12, 2020, 03:19:54 am
"Four Seasons Total Landscaping" is now a Mountain Goats song, as it was always meant to be (https://news.avclub.com/four-seasons-total-landscaping-is-now-a-mountain-goat-1845650632)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 10:37:07 am
So is all this 'getting the troops out of afganistan by X-mass" just a cover so he can get the gold bars out of the country or do you think he will really do it

Is this for his 2024 bid

I'm kinda behind us getting out...although there will be major problems caused by our quick exit

I do worry that Biden will not be for drawing down our wars and imperial army from the world...and kinda wish he would
and just reducing the spending on the military in general...we still should be spending money, but it should be smart money
we could solve so many problems in the US in one year with just 3% of that budget...and I think the military wouldn't even notice the reduction
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2020, 10:48:50 am
Well he shouldn’t do it a few weeks before leaving! If he didn’t get it done by now....


He should focus on covid or another 150,000 Americans could be dead by the time Biden takes the keys

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 12, 2020, 10:56:27 am
Did you guys know there are still many people all over social media who are convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that Trump won?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 11:00:47 am
Best to just ignore them (TBH, I'm having a hard time taking my own medicine)
 ignorance is bliss...although a lot of them are armed

there will be thousands of them marching on Washington this weekend
so odd a protest to support the president, I've never heard of such a thing

or maybe they all leave this week (doubt it)
(https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=Tr.gtzTaRAcCjw)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2020, 11:15:22 am
I really think social media amplifies their voice making it seem there are more of them

Most Americans understand President elect Biden won a clear victory over the outgoing President.... most polls demonstrate its less than half of Republicans unwilling to let go... let’s face it these people are also anti- democratic.... it’s not that they don’t believe the results although that’s their claim...it’s that they don’t care


Notice none of them are arguing Biden didn’t win the popular vote...they just think their votes should count more
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 01:52:40 pm
trump is doubling down on Fox
he really wants an audience for Trump TV
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 12, 2020, 03:17:32 pm
Sheetz gift cards, lol.

https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/lt-gov-fetterman-seeks-claim-of-1m-voter-fraud-reward-from-texas-lieutenant-governor/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 12, 2020, 05:51:51 pm
In the words of George Takei Oh My...

One of the chief MI whistleblowers and I think they need to start checking some suburbs for lead in the water

https://twitter.com/repsforbiden/status/1326979821138743302?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 06:06:01 pm
In the words of George Takei Oh My...

One of the chief MI whistleblowers and I think they need to start checking some suburbs for lead in the water

https://twitter.com/repsforbiden/status/1326979821138743302?s=21

This comment sums up that interview: She witnessed not seeing anything.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 10:32:57 pm
when I think nixon...I think of him getting on the helicopter

WH 2020 ornament...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emps75FXIAUG4PW?format=jpg&name=small)

Melania announces holiday plans at #WhiteHouse, saying  `2020 marks the final holiday season for the Trump White House.' 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 12, 2020, 11:07:48 pm
when I think nixon...I think of him getting on the helicopter

WH 2020 ornament...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emps75FXIAUG4PW?format=jpg&name=small)

Melania announces holiday plans at #WhiteHouse, saying  `2020 marks the final holiday season for the Trump White House.' 

That announcement was on a fake site.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 11:08:25 pm
That announcement was on a fake site.
hard to tell the real from satire anymore
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2020, 11:38:42 am
More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2020, 02:43:42 pm
follow the money...this is over

Charles Koch congratulates President-elect Joe Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 13, 2020, 02:59:31 pm
wow the dismissal decision in the latest trump lawsuit against Detroit...

A Michigan judge has denied the Trump campaign's motion to cease certification of the vote in Detroit, noting that if the election challengers had attended orientation, they would know that what they were witnessing was routine.

https://twitter.com/ASFleischman/status/1327318533328482304?s=20

lots of the witnesses were not found to be credible including van lady

wow they were claiming something was sinister because they used rental vans with out of state plates to transport ballots... ::)




Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2020, 03:34:42 pm
noting that if the election challengers had attended orientation, they would know that what they were witnessing was routine.
Orientations are for losers...oh wait, maybe then they should have atteneded
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 13, 2020, 04:04:21 pm
It’s completely meaningless but the networks finally called NC for Trump and GA for Biden. 306-232 is your final.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 13, 2020, 04:05:00 pm
I am already outlining my Thanksgiving day call to the trashass wing of my family in Blairsville, GA.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2020, 04:10:44 pm
This could be it people....trump speaks in 1 hour!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 13, 2020, 04:22:30 pm
I really hope he concedes but


https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/kayleigh-mcenany-says-trump-will-attend-inauguration-in-january-his-own-inauguration/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2020, 04:31:33 pm
I can't say that I've liked any of the GOP WHPS, but Kayleigh always feels like nails on a chalkboard


wow acting DHS boss Chad Wolf defies Trump order to fire cyber chief Chris Krebs

whoa..defing trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 13, 2020, 04:53:56 pm
I can't say that I've liked any of the GOP WHPS, but Kayleigh always feels like nails on a chalkboard
Sarah Huckabee Sanders will always be the fucking worst in my personal rankings.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2020, 05:17:22 pm
This could be it people....trump speaks in 1 hour!
course he's late...4:30
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2020, 05:36:39 pm
sounds like he is not conceding...

has stopped dying his hair...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emu-s40W8AAO8uk?format=jpg&name=900x900)

" “I will not go - this administration will not be going to a lockdown. Hopefully the - the uh - whatever happens in the future, who knows which administration it will be, I guess time will tell...”"


can we take that as a concession?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 14, 2020, 06:52:32 pm
" “I will not go - this administration will not be going to a lockdown. Hopefully the - the uh - whatever happens in the future, who knows which administration it will be, I guess time will tell...”"

can we take that as a concession?

it's as close as we're going to get, so might as well...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2020, 09:00:59 am
Is this a concession ?
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1327956491056279552?s=21

Says he won (Biden)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2020, 09:08:22 am
Someone helped clean the tweet up
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em3b-_vXIAQYmdl?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2020, 11:52:29 am
shortly after with a lot of whining....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em4BoM6UYAEcz9o?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2020, 05:09:44 pm
John Bolton urges GOP leaders to explain to voters how 'Trump has lost the election' and that claims of voting fraud are 'baseless' (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1327977748284006400)

I agree with everything he said up until he said 'to explain to our voters, who are not as stupid as the Democrats think' 
Actually, I think they are pretty stupid if they believe this circus and this con
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 15, 2020, 05:12:24 pm
Bolton is a psycho criminal


Why do we care what he says?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2020, 05:18:58 pm
Bolton is a psycho criminal
Ok there is that...but I do think he has the ears of the top brass in the GOP
what he is saying is the GOP leaders need to stop fearing this man and be straight with them, they get their news straight from Trump and no one has a spine to say otherwise
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 15, 2020, 06:43:31 pm
Nobody cares what John Bolton has to say other than idiot liberals (not you)

Stop it already

Same with the mooche, Cohen, Kelly and all the sellouts that worked in the administration

Why do we amplify their voices? Does it help us sleep at night? Do we really think it convinces anyone to dump Trump?

We just empower and enrich them
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 16, 2020, 12:33:50 am
(https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=Ti9awsIiGQoChw)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 16, 2020, 09:12:01 pm
As much as I do not like Penn this article is really the way it is


Gavroche and NKOTB can keep pining for some progressive left winger but not going to happen


https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-shockingly-moderate-electorate-11605546108
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 16, 2020, 10:02:22 pm
^Only 24% of voters identify as liberal, while 38% say they’re conservative, according to CNN exit polls. Another 38% are moderate
I believe this and this surprises me at the same time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on November 16, 2020, 11:01:33 pm
The term liberal has been so disparaged, I don't think most people understand the term anymore, or if they do, they don't want to publicly state they are liberal.  Sort of like Trump supporters not admitting to their support.In other words, don't trust any polls anymore.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2020, 09:23:15 am
In other words, don't trust any polls anymore.
I am coming around to this attitude
(https://media.tenor.com/images/5d96ec2d2345ddcc0cb4f28e912d27c0/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 09:30:03 am
The American people just ain’t that liberal


Don’t need a poll to tell me that


Biden was the only democrat that could have beat Trump and we lucked out he is still alive

Also, this election demonstrates  what I been saying for years: Hillary ran a damn good campaign

Imagine how after four years of people seeing Trump actually as President, after covid...after the recession Trump still got 72+ million votes! Trump is the best American politician of my lifetime... just remarkable... he insulted Latinos and blacks pretty much every day and picked up their votes!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2020, 09:43:41 am
Trump still got 72+ million votes! Trump is the best American politician of my lifetime... just remarkable... he insulted Latinos and blacks pretty much every day and picked up their votes!
Yeah...the number looks to be closer to 74 Mill...an add of 10 million!
and he did EVERYTHING that people thought would lose him votes including changing the 'conservative' platform with things like Free Trade/Tariffs and insulting the military on many occasions
I also feel that there is a certain part of America who think it's more important to 'own the libs' than pretty much anything else.  That is their only goal (well don't take my guns...for the record no one has advocated that)

It's the way people consume news/media now.  They were able to speak directly to the base with no filter and they didn't go outside the bubble to see if it was true. 

My fear is was the 'liberal' America was going to fracture into two factions...each being only 30% and then the Republicans could win with only 40% ...but that fear is not founded in reality.  Seems like Republicans are still in the 47-50 % range


On a side note...this made me spit my coffee up
(https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=TvSETLm7uwwCGA)



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 10:03:47 am
Well the Republican Party dynamic will be fascinating


Will Trump complete his hostile takeover? He could primary any senator or house member that doesn’t kowtow to him


He basically owns the Republican Party now...which will make it really hard for Biden to work with Republicans...you better believe Trump is interested in ensuring a failed Biden presidency and taking over in 2024... just like Trump spent the past four years cheerleading the economy and his government he will spend the next four talking down the economy and every move Biden makes

I suppose if Trump were jailed that could be a wildcard but am not betting on it and even then Trump will support a front for Trump candidacy in 24...

The Cottons, Pences, Haleys will find it hard to defeat Trump or his candidate in 2023 presidential primaries
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 10:10:05 am
America’s best hope is that Trump dies soon but it’s unlikely. Other than that we will grow old discussing Trump’s latest bananas tweet...sad


I suppose some might say just like McCarthyism Trump fever could break..

Or Biden will surprise everyone with such a universally acknowledged successful presidency Trump is sidelined

Both seem unlikely
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2020, 10:35:57 am
I'd like some other options please...all of these suck
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 11:36:00 am
Really hope Malinowski holds on


One of my favorite congressmen

I can’t believe it’s this close

He flipped seat in 2018 and Republicans close to flipping it back.. If he hangs on I expect an even tougher rematch in 2022 unless district gets redrawn maybe


https://patch.com/new-jersey/bridgewater/malinowski-remains-ahead-over-kean-district-7-race
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 17, 2020, 03:10:17 pm
you better believe Trump is interested in ensuring a failed Biden presidency and taking over in 2024... just like Trump spent the past four years cheerleading the economy and his government he will spend the next four talking down the economy and every move Biden makes

I suppose if Trump were jailed that could be a wildcard but am not betting on it and even then Trump will support a front for Trump candidacy in 24...

The Cottons, Pences, Haleys will find it hard to defeat Trump or his candidate in 2023 presidential primaries

i can believe that trump could back another candidate (don jr?!?) in 2024, but i have my doubts that the orange one would run again. i could see him declining to run if he's successful at something else.  for example, if he launches Trump TV and it does well he might not want to give that up in exchange for a race he might lose, 4 years of criticism if he wins, etc.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 03:52:29 pm
^ that’s a viewpoint I been hearing since he began his 2016 run


“He doesn’t want to be President! He doesn’t want to win! He will quit! He is glad he lost!”


Nothing could be further from the truth or less supported by evidence yet liberals keep saying it!

Just weird and a really bad take...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 03:57:31 pm
I think there's a correct take somewhere in the middle of the two that posits what Trump WANTS is prestige and attention and the illusion of power. He got these things by running for and being President despite him not actually really wanting to use that power -- he is a coward who for all his chest-beating about fire and fury, could not run away from military action faster -- nor possessing any interest in the job of actually being the President. Trump's compulsive want for these things is not satiated and being President again would satiate it temporarily. That said, there are also other things that would fill those same wants like continuing to barnstorm rural areas for rallies or having a media empire without him having to be President again. He doesn't have to have heroin -- any opiate will do.

Like I do not think Trump actually cares about not getting to do the day to day work of being President anymore. He cares about how it impacts his perceived power and might decrease the attention he is given. Does that make any sense?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 04:00:30 pm
Oh yeah


He wants to be the most famous man in the world and he understands being president makes it so


He could give a hoot about the work


He wants to be on magazine covers

He is a sick man
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 04:04:58 pm
He wants to be the most famous man in the world and he understands being president makes it so

He wants to be on magazine covers

He is a sick man
Not exactly how I would word it but correct-ish enough that I won't quibble. He can still get rapturous applause and people hanging off his every word and exist within an echo chamber and be happy as a pig in slop WITHOUT being President again. Like, there really are other things he would be equally as happy half-assing. (And that's why I also don't think he will seriously consider running it back in 2024. He will preen as though he's going to FOR SURE though.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 06:27:20 pm
Surprising to many

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1328664224722247681?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 06:32:32 pm
Surprising to many

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1328664224722247681?s=20
Its almost like black voters didn’t come out for Kamala Harris like I told everyone they wouldn’t.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 06:47:04 pm
Well, I knew you wouldn’t resist saying that but that might not be the right takeaway.....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 17, 2020, 07:14:59 pm
Surprising to many

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1328664224722247681?s=20
Its almost like black voters didn’t come out for Kamala Harris like I told everyone they wouldn’t.

When everything you see just proves that you were right, you might be experiencing confirmation bias.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 17, 2020, 07:18:39 pm
Trump still got 72+ million votes! Trump is the best American politician of my lifetime... just remarkable... he insulted Latinos and blacks pretty much every day and picked up their votes!
Yeah...the number looks to be closer to 74 Mill...an add of 10 million!
and he did EVERYTHING that people thought would lose him votes including changing the 'conservative' platform with things like Free Trade/Tariffs and insulting the military on many occasions
I also feel that there is a certain part of America who think it's more important to 'own the libs' than pretty much anything else.  That is their only goal (well don't take my guns...for the record no one has advocated that)

It's the way people consume news/media now.  They were able to speak directly to the base with no filter and they didn't go outside the bubble to see if it was true. 

related:

Melania Trump, like America, may be more in love with President Trump than his critics would hope (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/melania-trump-donald-trump-marriage/2020/11/17/fba269fa-250e-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F2ccba12%2F5fb401589d2fda0efb6af332%2F5d56e5f29bbc0f603e721787%2F8%2F72%2Fb1ae71a3cf86cd354d31c766c85f6478)
Vegas may be betting on a post-presidential divorce, but Melania Trump seems all in for her husband.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 07:19:36 pm
People see what they want to see... except for Gavroche who doesn’t like what he sees...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 07:24:13 pm
Surprising to many

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1328664224722247681?s=20
Its almost like black voters didn’t come out for Kamala Harris like I told everyone they wouldn’t.

When everything you see just proves that you were right, you might be experiencing confirmation bias.
Hey my man. Great thought. Perhaps you could help me see if that’s the case by letting me know if a lower percentage of African Americans voted for the Democratic ticket compared to 2016 despite having a woman of color on the ticket in 2020. Want to make sure I’m not experiencing confirmation bias.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 17, 2020, 09:04:41 pm
They aren’t even trying to hide the racism in MI now...

The Wayne County Board of Canvassers just deadlocked on certifying the vote on party lines. This is unprecedented in my 20 years covering government here.


Followed by

The Republican chair of the board, Monica Palmer, literally just said she would be open to certifying the vote in "communities other than Detroit


https://twitter.com/nancykaffer/status/1328836317137022976?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 17, 2020, 09:07:53 pm
Apparently if it’s not certified at county level it goes to the state level, but that is also a bipartisan board so probably more fuckery is afoot..,

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2020, 09:12:26 pm
oh the fuckery, so on-brand for 2020, the year that felt like a decade
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 09:17:54 pm
This is legitimately felonious behavior.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 17, 2020, 10:02:08 pm
And the other Republican board member has all kinds of racist stuff on his social media... noticed not a word was said about how Detroit voted in 2016 and apparently there were machine issues then that really delayed the final count
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 10:11:17 pm
Other boardie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2020, 10:24:30 pm
Is this unusual in 1 term
All but one member of the Fed's seven-member board has been nominated by Trump.


It is weird, on the things that seem to matter to regular people, they don't take a stand
but someone who is not right for the fed board, time for a spine

I was happy when they denied trump Stephen Moore...that guy's an idiot
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 10:33:03 pm
Guys, I made some calls and Wayne County has now certified their votes.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 10:33:23 pm
Just once can Democracy be threatened without me stepping in?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 17, 2020, 10:33:27 pm
Other Wayne county board member who voted against certification had lots of anti Muslim tweets to be found

And I guess when you get caught saying racist shit in the open  people  sit up and notice you and then this happens

BREAKING: The Wayne County Board of Canvassers has just unanimously voted to certify the results of the election & called on Michigan SOS Jocelyn Benson to conduct an audit of the unexplained precincts in Wayne County that did not match.

https://twitter.com/adam_brew/status/1328882544348180483?s=21

In this thread the MI SOS had already addressed this concern... this also covers that meeting

https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1328835444419796993?s=21

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 17, 2020, 10:38:47 pm
And idiot in chief started crowing about the deadlock minutes before they reversed course...  and it sure seemed like a coordinated effort between the GOP and those board members
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 10:39:03 pm
The wild thing about these “irregularities”, especially in light of the “we would certify everywhere but Detroit city” is the most irregular part of Wayne County’s vote is Livonia, not Detroit, by a MILE. Anyone want to guess the racial makeup of Livonia though. (Kosmo, don’t tell them...)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 11:20:53 pm
It’s exhausting


What gets me is the double standard


When the GOP gets away with shit like not holding hearings on Judge Garland people say “You see the Republicans fight hard!”

It’s like people justify it


When Democrats do 1/100th of what Republicans do: “You see! Democrats are the same! They are all politicians and all the same no matter side!”

So frustrating

Sometimes one can’t help but feel what we need are Democratic Party politicians like Trump and MCConnell but of course we are liberals...it’s inimical to our DNA


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 11:43:39 pm
For an analogy I am reminded of that great line about how Ginger Rogers had to do everything Fred Astaire did but backwards and wearing high heels


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 18, 2020, 07:15:04 am
Found out that board of canvassers aren’t even elected they are appointed so they can’t be voted out of their positions.  Plus, there is an ethics complaint against Palmer for running a dark money PAC for candidates that are running in elections she over sees.  Fun times and why local races and politics matter...  also local media
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 18, 2020, 08:55:40 am
I also expected a press conference today complete with White Lady Crocodile tears about how she is not a racist but was concerned about the irregularities, lather rinse repeat...

i wonder if their initial vote and "stand" will enable them to earn a One Stormy Daniels ($130,000) payout..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 09:08:57 am
I like how Trump has created a new counting system
A Mooche (https://theweek.com/speedreads/861881/anthony-scaramucci-measures-time-mooches) - 11 Days
A Stormy - $130k

there have to be more...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 18, 2020, 09:27:22 am
"Taxes" - $750
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 18, 2020, 09:30:22 am
i was looking to refresh my detroit centric wearables recently and ended up getting one of these... very fitting given last nights events

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0186/4362/products/dhh-product-april2019-20_compact.jpg?v=1599687897)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 11:05:22 am
remind me next time to use Hutch or Julian's email when donating to Ossoff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 18, 2020, 11:17:07 am
Reminder for Sidehatch: Use Julian’s email next time you are donating yo Ossoff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 18, 2020, 11:19:31 am
No. Use my trashass uncle who lives in Blairsville, GA's email when donating to Ossoff/ActBlue in Georgia. Its what I do. Pisses him right the fuck off.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 18, 2020, 12:01:41 pm
234,000 - The number of Americans who have died of Covid-19.

545 - The number of children whose parents have still not been found after they were separated at the US-Mexico border.

26 - The number of women who have accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct.

$750 - The amount of federal tax paid by Trump in both 2016 and 2017, the latter being his first year as US president.

22m - The number of US jobs lost in March and April this year as the Covid-19 pandemic forced nationwide shutdowns.

99 - The number of environmental regulations the Trump administration has reversed, including rules governing clean air, water, wildlife and toxic chemicals.

128 - The number of times Trump interrupted Biden during the 90-minute span of 2020’s first presidential debate.

15 - The number of times Trump said people were having to flush the toilet, in a bizarre tirade about water restrictions.

285 - The number of days that Trump has visited a golf course since his inauguration on 20 January 2017.

2.87m - The number of votes Hillary Clinton received more than Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election. Trump won the electoral college by 304 votes to Clinton’s 227.

20,000-plus - The number of lies told by Trump since he took office, according to the Washington Post. He passed the milestone on 9 July 2020.

552 - The number of tweets from the @realDonaldTrump Twitter account that have included the phrase “fake news” since January 2017.

35 - The number of days the federal government was shut down in December 2018-January 2019 after congressional Democrats refused to allocate $5.7bn of funding for Trump’s border wall.

52 - The average age of the three supreme court justices (Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett) nominated by Donald Trump. The last 11 supreme court justices have died or retired at an average age of 80.

41% - Trump’s average approval rating during his term, the lowest for a US president since the second world war.

129 - The number of rallies Trump has held since taking office, including 38 live rallies during the coronavirus pandemic.

900 - The number of abortion clinics that have lost federal funding during Trump’s presidency.

5 miles - The extent of new wall erected on the US-Mexico border. US Customs and Border Protection reports that 307 miles have been completed but the vast majority refers to the replacement or improvement of existing walls.

4 - The number of press secretaries Trump has employed during his presidency, the most of any first-term president.

11 - The number of days Anthony Scaramucci served as White House communications director.

8 - Trump associates have been charged with or convicted of federal crimes, including the former White House strategist Steve Bannon, the former campaign chair Paul Manafort and Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen.

87% - The percentage of Trump’s cabinet who are millionaires (20 out of 23). Two are “centimillionaires” (Wilbur Ross, Steve Mnuchin) and there is one billionaire (Betsy DeVos).

191 - The number of executive orders enacted during Trump’s presidency, including executive order 13769, his controversial Muslim ban.

1 - The number of times Trump has suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential Covid-19 cure.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/09/the-donald-trump-presidency-in-numbers
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 18, 2020, 12:04:56 pm
^^ Take that, Harper's Index!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 12:09:33 pm
^^ Take that, Harper's Index!
exactly!

But what I was looking for a term that = a number

In related news...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnHlQgeUYAAj1tK?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 01:56:20 pm
They aren’t even trying to hide the racism in MI now...
The Wayne County Board of Canvassers just deadlocked on certifying the vote on party lines. This is unprecedented in my 20 years covering government here.

Did you see this Zoom call of the Wayne County Board... @NedStaebler basically ripped off their heads and shit down there necks in this meeting
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1328882122724155393?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 18, 2020, 02:15:13 pm
They aren’t even trying to hide the racism in MI now...
The Wayne County Board of Canvassers just deadlocked on certifying the vote on party lines. This is unprecedented in my 20 years covering government here.

Did you see this Zoom call of the Wayne County Board... @NedStaebler basically ripped off their heads and shit down there necks in this meeting
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1328882122724155393?s=20

yeah Ned went viral for a good reason, but he was also humble giving credit to the others on that call.. and kudos for his use of the famous Diego Rivera mural at the Detroit Institutes of Art as his backdrop...

and clearly the fix was in on that initial board vote to decertified the results, as they were pinning hopes on that happening... otherwise the toddler in chief wouldn't still being tossing his rattle around.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 18, 2020, 02:18:01 pm
They aren’t even trying to hide the racism in MI now...
The Wayne County Board of Canvassers just deadlocked on certifying the vote on party lines. This is unprecedented in my 20 years covering government here.

Did you see this Zoom call of the Wayne County Board... @NedStaebler basically ripped off their heads and shit down there necks in this meeting
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1328882122724155393?s=20

Just read the post-NBA bio of tweeter Rex Chapman. Man, that guy's life has spiraled downward.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 02:35:51 pm

Just read the post-NBA bio of tweeter Rex Chapman. Man, that guy's life has spiraled downward.
Yeah...but seems like things are on the up and up now.  but talk about being on top and then being on the bottom
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 10:59:24 pm

Mark Elias:
Trump and his allies have are 1-28 in court cases they have filed post election.

Their one victory was shortening the cure deadline in PA for a small subset of rejected mail-in ballots from 9 days to 6 days. That is it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 06:07:51 am
Wow it was closer than we thought

From wapo

here are the margins by which Biden won three critical states, as of Wednesday morning:
Arizona: 10,457
Georgia: 14,028
Wisconsin: 20,565
Total: 45,050

But if Trump had managed to get those 45,000 votes, he would have won 37 more electoral votes, making the electoral college a 269-to-269 tie. Under the Constitution, the election would have then been decided by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation getting just one vote. Even though Democrats have a majority in the House, more state delegations have Republican majorities. Trump would have been reelected.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 07:55:34 am
It’s just stupid


Guy gets 6-7 million less votes and wins?


The electoral college is a total debacle

It’s not too much of a leap to go from thinking it’s ok for a guy to win with millions of votes less to thinking it’s ok for someone to be president even if they lose

This electoral college is completely delegitimizing democracy

The reality is it’s such a messed up system we now have tens of millions of Republicans who think Trump should be president win or lose... they complain about fraud etc but these are just excuses... “Hey if we don’t count California Trump won”...what they really mean is Trump should be president win or lose

Our electoral college system is fundamentally anti democratic
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 08:12:39 am
And if you believe it was “close” does that mean it was close in 2016???


Because I don’t remember hearing much about how it was close in 2016

Again, if it was 269-269 the house would have picked the guy with 6-7 million less votes which means it was “close”?!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 19, 2020, 09:54:55 am
Wow it was closer than we thought

From wapo

here are the margins by which Biden won three critical states, as of Wednesday morning:
Arizona: 10,457
Georgia: 14,028
Wisconsin: 20,565
Total: 45,050

But if Trump had managed to get those 45,000 votes, he would have won 37 more electoral votes, making the electoral college a 269-to-269 tie. Under the Constitution, the election would have then been decided by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation getting just one vote. Even though Democrats have a majority in the House, more state delegations have Republican majorities. Trump would have been reelected.

Trump actually wouldn't have needed those 45,050 votes. He only needed one more than half of those margins. He would have needed 5229 in Arizona, 7015 in Georgia, and 10,283 in Wisconsin. So really he only fell 22,527 votes short.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 09:58:39 am
Wow it was closer than we thought

From wapo

here are the margins by which Biden won three critical states, as of Wednesday morning:
Arizona: 10,457
Georgia: 14,028
Wisconsin: 20,565
Total: 45,050

But if Trump had managed to get those 45,000 votes, he would have won 37 more electoral votes, making the electoral college a 269-to-269 tie. Under the Constitution, the election would have then been decided by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation getting just one vote. Even though Democrats have a majority in the House, more state delegations have Republican majorities. Trump would have been reelected.

Trump actually wouldn't have needed those 45,050 votes. He only needed one more than half of those margins. He would have needed 5229 in Arizona, 7015 in Georgia, and 10,283 in Wisconsin. So really he only fell 22,527 votes short.
Thats assuming people flip votes. Hutch’s method is more of a “what if his voter turnout was just a bit higher”.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 10:09:20 am
I have a method?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 10:25:42 am
Leave it to liberals to flip five states (plus an electoral district in NE) from 2016, win the popular vote by 6-7 million votes, and still find a way to shit  themselves....


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 10:26:03 am
And if you believe it was “close” does that mean it was close in 2016???
Because I don’t remember hearing much about how it was close in 2016
This is sarcasm, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 10:28:29 am
All we heard after 2016 was what a terrible candidate Hillary was...what a terrible campaign she ran!!! We were told repeatedly anyone else would have won


Blah blah blah


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 19, 2020, 10:33:45 am
Looks like the Wayne County "patriots" are now worth 2 or 3 Stormys as they have reversed course on certifying those results... screw these people...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 10:34:00 am
Until liberals accept the following they are forever going to be disappointed


1. Trump is the greatest presidential politician since LBJ
2. The American people are not liberal

Just keep repeating it until it sinks in.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 10:37:38 am
2. The American people are not liberal
Just keep repeating it until it sinks in.
This is a bitter pill and I'm coming around
I think it's all about messaging

there is a large segment of Americans who just want someone to be a dick to the opposition rather than any policy
They could care less about policy, they just want them liberal tears
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 11:27:42 am
1. Trump is the greatest presidential politician since LBJ
What? My perspective on LBJ and yours are VERY different.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 11:28:17 am
1. Trump is the greatest presidential politician since LBJ
What? My perspective on LBJ and yours are VERY different.
I know, I didn't even want to acknowledge that statement
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 11:47:17 am
The Trump campaign is dropping its federal lawsuit in Michigan that alleged voting irregularities and asked the court to stop certifying votes in Wayne County.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 19, 2020, 11:47:39 am
Looks like the Wayne County "patriots" are now worth 2 or 3 Stormys as they have reversed course on certifying those results... screw these people...

now they are reporting Trump called these "patriot" personally prior to them reversing their votes, can someone say interference...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 11:50:12 am
Looks like the Wayne County "patriots" are now worth 2 or 3 Stormys as they have reversed course on certifying those results... screw these people...

now they are reporting Trump called these "patriot" personally prior to them reversing their votes, can someone say interference...
Putting the 'riot' back in patriot
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 19, 2020, 11:51:53 am
The Trump campaign is dropping its federal lawsuit in Michigan that alleged voting irregularities and asked the court to stop certifying votes in Wayne County.

the fix is in... wonder what all the those white voters in Livonia (90% white by design) think about their votes not be counted... and lookout Dearborn is in that county as well which is predominately Muslim... 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 11:57:56 am
So in his scorched earth way of thinking...do you think Trump will veto the spending bill and shutdown the government in December
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 12:20:38 pm
I have been running through in my head the prospect that Biden might after the mid-terms just say "hey, I ran as a transitional candidate, and I am not running again, what is the best way to help Dems hold onto the WH -- hand over the reins to Kamala so she can run with an incumbency advantage."

I think if Biden is (relatively) humble, this is low key a good idea, especially if he genuinely likes her and wants her to get the 2024 nomination. But doesn't that make the midterms uber critical? In this hypothetical, would we all be in agreement that if the GOP holds either the Senate or House, there is no way they confirm Kamala's VP replacement nominee? (Especially if they retake the House and have Speakership.)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 12:28:32 pm
Can he just 'retire' mid term and give it to the VP?
and the senate has to confirm the new VP?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 19, 2020, 12:28:52 pm
oh the gift that keeps on giving... currently trending on twitter "Grosse Pointe Antifa"  because


I can confirm from texts shown to me that Wayne County Republican canvasser says she‘s received threats post-meeting.

She says they’ve come from both sides, the right & the left, specifically Antifa from Grosse Pointe.

Yes, Michiganders, you read that last part correctly

https://twitter.com/RubleKB/status/1329392868868419586?s=20

if you think Livonia is white hold on to your breeches regarding the Pointes... and full disclosure yes i spent part of my life living in the Pointes

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: analogfossa on November 19, 2020, 12:29:47 pm
I have been running through in my head the prospect that Biden might after the mid-terms just say "hey, I ran as a transitional candidate, and I am not running again, what is the best way to help Dems hold onto the WH -- hand over the reins to Kamala so she can run with an incumbency advantage."

I think if Biden is (relatively) humble, this is low key a good idea, especially if he genuinely likes her and wants her to get the 2024 nomination. But doesn't that make the midterms uber critical? In this hypothetical, would we all be in agreement that if the GOP holds either the Senate or House, there is no way they confirm Kamala's VP replacement nominee? (Especially if they retake the House and have Speakership.)

Thoughts?

If he does that, I don't see Kamala winning 2024. Too many people would see her as "not following the proper channels" or "being gifted presidency". So long as we have the electoral college, I imagine our first elected woman president (vs transferred from P to VP) would be a Republican. Our country is not at progressive as we would like it to be.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 12:30:21 pm
Oh I've seen the Cusack film and know all I need to know about Gross Point...killer soundtrack tho
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 19, 2020, 12:38:19 pm
Oh I've seen the Cusack film and know all I need to know about Gross Point...killer soundtrack tho

that it kinda looks like a Chicago Suburb?
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 12:55:34 pm
Yes, Michiganders, you read that last part correctly
You can just say "Jules". I write Julian's America -- I know the demographic mix of Grosse Pointe.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 12:57:18 pm
Can he just 'retire' mid term and give it to the VP?
and the senate has to confirm the new VP?
He can retire and give her the Presidency any time after the Electoral College votes. But a VP vacancy (like if a VP dies or ascends to the Presidency), their replacement VP pick must be ratified by a majority of BOTH the House and Senate. Otherwise, it remains unfilled.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 12:59:01 pm
Too many people would see her as "not following the proper channels" or "being gifted presidency".
That's a fair point. Its an interesting thought experiment on if the incumbency advantage (assuming COVID is effectively eradicated and the economy is on the upswing) outweighs the chum such a move throws to the GOPs base of sharks.

Like a woman of color ascending to the Presidency via death or retirement would cause 85% of talk radio pundits to have a stroke.
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 01:05:49 pm

total tangent...but what is an AnalogFossa?

The fossa is a cat-like, carnivorous mammal endemic to Madagascar. It is a member of the Eupleridae, a family of carnivorans closely related to the mongoose family Herpestidae. Its classification has been controversial because its physical traits resemble those of cats, yet other traits suggest a close relationship with viverrids.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 01:09:26 pm
I *believe* its Analog Foss A
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 19, 2020, 01:17:07 pm
ok hopefully i can get back to posting about music soon.  i.e.  who will win the Welsh Music Prize tonight.. 

but there are no backsies allowed once they certified those votes, and the affidavits are just another stunt

it seems like they have dropped the suit to stop the certification... and the suit alleging fraud

p.s. have you heard the new Teenage Waitress album "Love & Chemicals"?  it's a fun romp of catch tunes...
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Post by: grateful on November 19, 2020, 01:29:40 pm

total tangent...but what is an AnalogFossa?

The fossa is a cat-like, carnivorous mammal endemic to Madagascar. It is a member of the Eupleridae, a family of carnivorans closely related to the mongoose family Herpestidae. Its classification has been controversial because its physical traits resemble those of cats, yet other traits suggest a close relationship with viverrids.

OTOH, a digital fossa is a small depression, cavity or pit in the bone of a finger or toe.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on November 19, 2020, 02:10:42 pm
This is insane

https://abc7chicago.com/disturbing-new-details-in-alleged-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor/8079861/
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 02:17:21 pm
Plan B was some scary end times shit...
Were these guys willing to die for this?

We need to get back to a 'well-regulated militia' part of the 2nd


in "at least we can laugh about it" news
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnNMGj5XcAEjldR?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 02:31:46 pm
Plan B was some scary end times shit...
Were these guys willing to die for this?
I think I have said this on here before: this is literally all spelled out in white supremacist lit. Go read The Turner Diaries or any of the other big WS touchstones. They all purport the fantasy that it just takes a few people to start killing minorities/politicians publicly and a groundswell of the rest of white people will join in. Timothy McVeigh was all about this. This trashass thinking has a major foothold in rural Michigan. Its terrifying. I have a cousin who married into a weird family and they live like 90 minutes outside of Detroit in a compound "so the blacks cannot get in" and their kid (my second cousin) posts online these demented-ass comic books he draws about Barack Obama being the antichrist and how he (and some of our family members, "race traitors") are going to drawn and quartered by white armies soon.

Like there are tens of thousands of people who believe this shit in Michigan.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 19, 2020, 02:40:35 pm
and it's been awhile, but This American Life did a story on how some of the seeds of the Tea Party were planted early on in Northern Michigan
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Post by: sweetcell on November 19, 2020, 03:07:26 pm
Wow it was closer than we thought

From wapo

here are the margins by which Biden won three critical states, as of Wednesday morning:
Arizona: 10,457
Georgia: 14,028
Wisconsin: 20,565
Total: 45,050

But if Trump had managed to get those 45,000 votes, he would have won 37 more electoral votes, making the electoral college a 269-to-269 tie. Under the Constitution, the election would have then been decided by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation getting just one vote. Even though Democrats have a majority in the House, more state delegations have Republican majorities. Trump would have been reelected.

Trump actually wouldn't have needed those 45,050 votes. He only needed one more than half of those margins. He would have needed 5229 in Arizona, 7015 in Georgia, and 10,283 in Wisconsin. So really he only fell 22,527 votes short.
Thats assuming people flip votes.

right.  the effect of a recount is rarely to flip a vote, rather they invalidate votes and/or discover missing votes.  it's not a zero-sum situation.
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Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 04:54:10 pm
1. Trump is the greatest presidential politician since LBJ
What? My perspective on LBJ and yours are VERY different.


You don’t think LBJ was effective?!?

He just got worn out by Vietnam but he was a master politician...first in the house and then as president...how do you think all the legislation passed while he was president?

I mean really him and FDR are the two architects of modern America

Now Trump is different... he is a politician only interested in himself

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Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 05:02:15 pm
I mean have you guys listened to the LBJ White House phone calls? He knew how to govern...how to handle the levers of power...


Obama on the other hand was atrocious
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Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 05:09:48 pm
Oh and this idea Biden is going to cede power? Why? He has been trying to get elected president for over 32 years and now that he has done is going to anoint Kamala?

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac...people don’t give it up... you have to take it from them

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 05:11:23 pm
I mean have you guys listened to the LBJ White House phone calls? He knew how to govern...how to handle the levers of power...


Obama on the other hand was atrocious
I agree on both these points. I thought you meant he was the greatest at the political act of getting elected President which, no. . .

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Post by: analogfossa on November 19, 2020, 05:12:59 pm
I *believe* its Analog Foss A
A fossa is a mammal based in Managascar. I was looking at articles about them when I made this profile haha.

https://www.wired.com/2015/01/creature-feature-10-fun-facts-fossa/#:~:text=The%20fossa%20(Cryptoprocta%20ferox)%20is,short%2C%20reddish%2Dbrown%20coats.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 05:15:10 pm
Ahh. Your accounts elsewhere capitalize the A at the end.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 05:19:31 pm
Oh and this idea Biden is going to cede power? Why? He has been trying to get elected president for over 32 years and now that he has done is going to anoint Kamala?

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac...people don’t give it up...

LBJ
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Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 05:28:11 pm
After 6 years and Vietnam absolutely wearing him down! Vietnam was pretty hardcore if you cared and he did


Also after becoming president initially in in very strange circumstances


Is it possible Biden serves just one term? Yes it is because he is 78 years old! His health could give out...

But barring that Joe is in it for the duration
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 19, 2020, 05:35:25 pm
I would be extremely surprised if Biden attempts to run for a second term.
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Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 05:35:54 pm
A far more likely scenario if we are trying to game things out is Biden begins to lose it and Jill increasingly takes over (behind the scenes)


That’s far more likely than Biden handing over the keys to Kamala


The reality is we don’t even know how involved she already is!
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Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 05:36:33 pm
I would be extremely surprised if Biden attempts to run for a second term.

Depends on his health....
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 06:25:12 pm
A fossa is a mammal based in Managascar.
I was right!
I did think grateful's had potential...
Julies was pedantic   (insult on loan from Hutch)
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 06:26:45 pm
I would be extremely surprised if Biden attempts to run for a second term.
at this point he still has to start this one

The reality is we don’t even know how involved she already is!
are you referring to Jill here?
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Post by: challenged on November 19, 2020, 06:31:52 pm
“This is real. It is not made up. There is no one here who engages in fantasy. I know crimes – I can smell them.”   

What is the endgame here. If the States certify, and the electors elect, do some of these fuckers actually take up arms against the Biden Admin?
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Post by: sweetcell on November 19, 2020, 06:40:21 pm
What is the endgame here. If the States certify, and the electors elect, do some of these fuckers actually take up arms against the Biden Admin?

first off, modern-day americans don't take up arms against their government.  they bark a big game, but they have zero bite. do you remember all the chatter from the right about forcefully removing obama, upon his election in 2008?


the endgame is not to raise an army, it's to rile it.  get the base fired up over a supposedly tyrannical administration, convince them of the need to fight... then channel that energy into requests for donations, votes, participation in million-(insert actor here)-marches, etc.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2020, 01:31:14 am
Here a new twist I hadn't heard of before:

Trump told ally he's trying to get back at Democrats for questioning legitimacy of his own election
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html)
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Post by: hutch on November 20, 2020, 08:56:26 am
I would be extremely surprised if Biden attempts to run for a second term.
at this point he still has to start this one

The reality is we don’t even know how involved she already is!
are you referring to Jill here?

Yes I am referring to Jill Biden wife of Joe

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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 20, 2020, 09:42:13 am
Man, that’s a relief. I was a little worried you were talking about my middle-school classmate Jill Coffendaffer who was a total jerk. She’d be a terrible puppet master.
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Post by: hutch on November 20, 2020, 09:49:41 am
I know we kind of saw it coming but the bold faced attempt to disregard the voters’ will and overturn the election still makes me sick and angry!


Civil war keeps getting closer


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 09:54:32 am
Civil war keeps getting closer
with 70% of 73 million voters thinking it was rigged/fraud AND they are armed is not a good recipe
I just don't think they are willing to don a tri-corner and hit the streets
but there will be shots fired I am certain of that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2020, 10:02:23 am
If Trump stayed President would you pay your federal taxes?

Would you stay in America?

“Resisting” on Facebook is great but...

Hearing and reading US congressmen saying states should overturn the results and send in a slate of pro Trump electors is pretty sobering... We are at open sedition...we are there
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 10:04:34 am
this was a good read
https://www.axios.com/2020-lessons-media-america-b6b6c184-ea46-4fc5-a6dd-0f5ad3dda082.html


Seem to be written by hutch
 Let’s be honest: Many of us under-appreciated the appeal of Trump’s anti-socialism message and the backlash against the defund-the-police rhetoric on the left.
The media (and many Democrats) are fairly clueless about the needs, wants and trends of Hispanic voters. Top Latinos warned about overlooking and misreading the fastest-growing population in America — but most didn’t listen. Hispanics will shape huge chunks of America’s political future, so a course correction is in order.


Twitter is a mass-reality-distortion field for liberals and reporters.  The group-think and liberal high-fiving was as bad as ever and continues to be a massive trap and distraction for journalists.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 10:09:10 am
I don't know why it annoys me so much, but the Bush-Obama transition was not the same as now.  Bush was not running for reelection so wasn't like McCain could stop the Obama Transition.  With a 1 termer, there is a lot more power to muck up the gears.  Stop comparing them.  Bush H...maybe would be a somewhat good comparison, but he was a professional, so it ends there
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on November 20, 2020, 11:24:10 am
You already lost.

https://medium.com/indica/i-lived-through-a-coup-america-is-having-one-now-437934b1dac3
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 11:48:27 am
a good thread on how Team Trump's chances at flipping this on many levels is akin to pulling off a Tripple Lindy while throwing a Hail Mary pass to a field that is in the next state over.

https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1329555511478521872?s=20
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 12:01:23 pm
Forgot to tell you guys I was working for the Team Trump legal team on their filings...

Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*
They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 02:00:17 pm
GA has been certified
The Georgia Secretary of State’s office has officially certified the results of the 2020 election, which includes President-elect Biden’s victory.

The certification comes after the conclusion of a hand recount and audit of approximately 5 million ballots.
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Post by: challenged on November 20, 2020, 04:07:18 pm
GA has been certified
The Georgia Secretary of State’s office has officially certified the results of the 2020 election, which includes President-elect Biden’s victory.

The certification comes after the conclusion of a hand recount and audit of approximately 5 million ballots.


BULLSHIT, Dominion, Strikeforce, MANGGAA!


Also, according a high school buddy on FB:


The vote counting software was developed by associates of dictator Hugo Chavez, who own the company. The software was rejected by several states because of serious security flaws. The software sends the information overseas to be counted and tallied by employees of this corrupt company. The software code was amended one day before the election, in three key states. The CEO of this software company? A guy that also works for George Soros. At least 270k votes were mistallied in Pennsylvania alone. Nah, nothing to see here. According to the media arm of the Democrat party.

By the way, this connection between Dominion and Venezuelan socialist henchman—as well as grave concerns about using their system—was reported by many liberal news sources long before the fraud scheme for this particular election was put into place. Back when liberals actually cared about having fair elections. Huffington Post, PBS, NPR, etc. In fact, Democrats even sounded the alarm about this Dominion outfit a while ago, before they decided to actually use the fraudulent system for this election.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 20, 2020, 04:34:39 pm
One of my new favorite human beings is the Lieutenant Gov of PA John Fetterman.  And seriously this dude needs to a big face in the Democrats seems very straight forward and no malarkey.... Great follow on the Twitter

Anyways, he hangs two flags on the balcony outside his office at the state capitol building a gay pride and marijuana legalization banner.  So the PA GOP controlled legislation decided to try to make it illegal for him to hang those banners, by stuffing in a provision in the proposed state budget.. remind me again who the snowflakes are?

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1329870113609281537?s=20

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 05:06:29 pm
Fetterman 2028!


GA has been certified
The Georgia Secretary of State’s office has officially certified the results of the 2020 election, which includes President-elect Biden’s victory.

The certification comes after the conclusion of a hand recount and audit of approximately 5 million ballots.

Apparently, this wasn't 'official' then...but is now

And donnie is pissed https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1329871775707107335?s=20
Kemp has licked Tump's balls for years, but even for him this was a bridge to far...hope there is room under the bus (this bus is riding over a road filled with trumps debris)

Man, love a good Venn
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnSr1HJXIAMypf7?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2020, 07:24:41 pm
"We all too often have socialism for the rich and rugged free market capitalism for the poor."
- MLK Jr.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 11:33:45 pm
One of my new favorite human beings is the Lieutenant Gov of PA John Fetterman.  And seriously this dude needs to a big face in the Democrats seems very straight forward and no malarkey.... Great follow on the Twitter
His wives description on Twitter just killed me
Second Lady Of Pennsylvania - SLOP
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 20, 2020, 11:39:30 pm
He’s like the left wing Ventura. Wild dude.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 23, 2020, 10:14:20 am
Team trump win/loss in the courts for Election 2020:
2 - Wins (one of them I think gave them 9~ votes in PA?)
34 - Losses

I want to use a sports analogy, but the closest thing is "The Washing Generals have a better record that Trump's legal team"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 23, 2020, 11:08:43 am
Looking forward to the clips from this
@GSAEmily Murphy will appear before Congress today to answer questions about her decision to withhold approval for the transition.
And who will be among those questioning her?
@RepKatiePorter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 23, 2020, 03:34:51 pm
Can't believe I'm sitting here looking at my twitter feed to find out the results of the MI vote certification.. although at least one of these unelected canvassing board members signaled he was voting to certify and they going through public comment period now..

still can't believe these positions appear to be all appointed, meaning the parties can drop whatever political hack they want into them..

 Vice Chair Aaron Van Langevelde, one of the MI Board of State Canvassers' two Republicans, apparently committing to vote to certify state's results for Biden:

"We have a duty to certify based on these returns, and we are limited to these returns."

That's ballgame.

https://twitter.com/MikeSacksEsq/status/1330940401977593856?s=20

also SLOP's hubbie said in one PA county the certifying vote was 3 Dems to 2 Repubs and toddler in chief won that county...

still waiting for Biden to fix my twitter timeline...  chief reason for my vote that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 23, 2020, 04:02:31 pm
Team trump win/loss in the courts for Election 2020:
2 - Wins (one of them I think gave them 9~ votes in PA?)
34 - Losses

I want to use a sports analogy, but the closest thing is "The Washing Generals have a better record that Trump's legal team"

make that 1-35
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court AFFIRMS our 5 victories in Philadelphia and REVERSES our one loss in Allegheny County.
Trump and his allies are now 1-35 in post-election litigation.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 23, 2020, 04:08:00 pm
This shit misses the point


The point of the litigation is not to overturn results


They know that isn’t going to happen


Everyone knows that isn’t going to happen


It’s to continue to dispute the election..to not concede..to fight.. to maintain the appearance that election is in dispute and to potentially give Trump an out to never concede or allow transfer...”Hey election is still unresolved”


But if it makes liberals happy to trot out these stats like at a baseball game

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 23, 2020, 04:08:54 pm
Looking forward to the clips from this
@GSAEmily Murphy will appear before Congress today to answer questions about her decision to withhold approval for the transition.
And who will be among those questioning her?
@RepKatiePorter

and apparently, she chickened out

Ted Lieu@tedlieu
Why did @GSAEmily ignore the Democratic request for a briefing today?
BECAUSE CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS ARE MEANINGLESS.
It takes **years** to litigate a subpoena.
We can fix this by changing the House Rules to allow Inherent Contempt power to fine witnesses who ignore Congress.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 23, 2020, 04:10:23 pm
Everyone knows that isn’t going to happen
I think there are 70 million trump voters and a rightwing media industry that doesn't agree with you

This shit misses the point
So on one hand, I agree.  But to be able to show how baseless and time-wasting all this stuff is, it is good (IMO) to be able to show what happened with 'all those cases that were taken up in the states'
sucks it wasn't a shut out, but still they have zero legs to stand on when reviewing what has happened with these attempts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 23, 2020, 04:16:33 pm
Whatever floats your leaky boat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 23, 2020, 04:37:46 pm
Operation Warp Speed Head Says He’s Been Instructed Not To Share Vaccine Information With Biden Team (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/11/22/operation-warp-speed-head-says-hes-been-instructed-not-to-share-vaccine-information-with-biden-team/)

at what point does this cross over into criminal negligence?  are we there yet?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 23, 2020, 04:59:44 pm
Of course we have been there since the Monday after networks/media called it for Biden so two weeks ago

I give them that Sunday cause it was the weekend
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 23, 2020, 05:55:45 pm
The state of Michigan just certified President-elect Biden’s win
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on November 23, 2020, 06:25:19 pm
The state of Michigan just certified President-elect Biden’s win

I shall be released!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 23, 2020, 06:25:43 pm
The vote was 3 to 1, the one citing significant problems abstained... and the other will be chided mercilessly by his own party.

Has the Kraken been released yet? Or do we have yet another Conservative grift in motion
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 23, 2020, 06:38:42 pm
I saw over the weekend that the republican that was running to replace Cummings and lost by 40 points, was blaming Hogan for their lost...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 23, 2020, 08:39:57 pm
@GSAEmily Murphy will appear before Congress today
Quote

and apparently, she chickened out[/i]
I guess the concern of the consequences of lying under oath made her revisit her position
I made my decisions completely independently.
I think she was afraid of katie

But this seems like a 'tipping point' kinda moment
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 23, 2020, 08:41:58 pm
Yes it seems together with Michigan to be a tipping point


It’s been hard to stay cool


I kind of follow Biden’s lead


When he tells me to freak I will do so otherwise ignoring noise
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 23, 2020, 08:44:51 pm
When he tells me to freak I will do so otherwise ignoring noise
maybe that's the catchphrase we didn't know we needed...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 24, 2020, 12:12:39 am
I made my decisions completely independently.
Independently. Just happened to take place mere minutes after Donald Trump tweeted I should go ahead and do it, but independently.
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Post by: sweetcell on November 24, 2020, 02:50:28 am
fascinating factoid from CNN:

"(Trump) has sent 322 fund-raising emails since Election night - an average of 16 emails a day.  This is in large part about creating an empire where Donald Trump remains a dominant force in Republican politics, even after leaving the Oval Office in January."

the new "leadership PAC" that was spun up just recently is going to be his slush fund that enables him to continue being a playah (without having to spend his own money), and he'll be able to dole out cash to ensure that other GOP'ers will kiss the ring.  could also fund a 2024 run, should he make one.


edit: related link (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/trump-fundraising-money-save-america/index.html).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 24, 2020, 09:59:20 am
Trump is a kingmaker in the GOP...the base is not following the GOP, they are leaving fox for fuck's sake
It is Team Trump for the future (hopefully he only lives 10 more years).  No one has the power over the base that he does
It is no longer about Policy, all personality...
He got 10 million new voters out in 2020

The question that remains is, will Mitch and the rest of the GOP kowtow to Trumps will when the only power he has left is the Tweet?
I think so as the base will take direct orders from Trump

I was thinking that his loss in 2016 was going to fracture the GOP in to two separate factions...but that didn't happen because he won
I'm thinking that he will start his own network and the MAGA party and the spineless GOP leadership will likely just follow him
but it will split that vote ...I know my skills at political prognostication are legendary (in my mind)

I'm still a little worried the Dems are going to fracture in to two parties too...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 24, 2020, 12:54:04 pm
Pennsylvania has been certified


Governor Tom Wolf@GovernorTomWolf
@PAStateDept  certified the results of the November 3 election in Pennsylvania for president and vice president of the United States.
As required by federal law, I’ve signed the Certificate of Ascertainment for the slate of electors for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.


Is it me or does it seem like there has been a lot of winning...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 24, 2020, 01:02:39 pm
also, I have it on good authority that Randy Quaid is now Trumps political and spiritual advisor




oh this too
Biden/Harris just surpassed 80 million votes...

and
Nevada Supreme Court certifies Joe Biden's win
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 24, 2020, 01:49:37 pm
Is it me or does it seem like there has been a lot of winning...

Trump came in promising so much winning. He’s going out with so much whining. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/23/trump-came-promising-so-much-winning-hes-going-out-with-so-much-whining/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 24, 2020, 02:11:06 pm
Word on the street is... that the President is going to ask the Turkey for a pardon this year
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: shemptiness on November 24, 2020, 04:22:45 pm
Randy Quaid?  (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-shares-bizarre-videos-tweets-actor-randy-quaid-about-voter-n1248818)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on November 25, 2020, 01:14:59 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnrjmmcXMAMPr7U?format=jpg&name=medium)

Happpy Kraken Day!!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 25, 2020, 02:51:52 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnrjmmcXMAMPr7U?format=jpg&name=medium)

Happpy Kraken Day!!!!

Kraken Holds Press Conference To Distance Itself From Trump Campaign (https://babylonbee.com/news/kraken-holds-press-conference-to-distance-itself-from-trump-campaign/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 25, 2020, 02:59:11 pm
Kraken Holds Press Conference To Distance Itself From Trump Campaign (https://babylonbee.com/news/kraken-holds-press-conference-to-distance-itself-from-trump-campaign/)
Hmm...are we really sure that was the Kraken...
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-7510-1.jpg)

he looks a lot different when I last saw him in 81
(http://bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/clash-of-the-titans-10.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 25, 2020, 03:49:54 pm
true enough, the clash of the titans had a non-standard humanoid kraken.

however, traditionally the kraken has been a giant squid (or octopus): "The kraken (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken) (/ˈkrɑːkən/)[1] is a legendary sea monster of gigantic size and cephalopod-like appearance in Scandinavian folklore."

image search for "kraken" (https://www.google.com/search?q=kraken&source=lnms&tbm=isch)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 27, 2020, 11:36:42 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En1dCxVWEAAC7_j?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 27, 2020, 02:47:04 pm
Wow it was closer than we thought

From wapo

here are the margins by which Biden won three critical states, as of Wednesday morning:
Arizona: 10,457
Georgia: 14,028
Wisconsin: 20,565
Total: 45,050

But if Trump had managed to get those 45,000 votes, he would have won 37 more electoral votes, making the electoral college a 269-to-269 tie. Under the Constitution, the election would have then been decided by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation getting just one vote. Even though Democrats have a majority in the House, more state delegations have Republican majorities. Trump would have been reelected.

Ok...here are the latest numbers on these three states and this argument that it was closer than we thought

Arizona: 10,457
Georgia: 12,670 (went down after recount)
Wisconsin: 20,565
Total: 43,692


if it had been 269-269 it would have been Trump...no questions asked

I'm still a little shocked this isn't a bigger story
Yes, of course, Biden got almost 6~ Million more votes, but that has nothing to do with the rules

Maybe it was just me, but on the daily Libs were like "trump won by only getting 77K votes in key states"  saying how bogus his election was.  Seems like the same argument will be used by the MAGA crowd.  Thankfully they don't seem to grasp math that well, so maybe they will just keep saying 'stop the steal'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 27, 2020, 03:35:04 pm
Not that complicated


Very close in battleground states which Biden won by 0.1% or something overall

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 27, 2020, 08:26:33 pm
Couldn’t happen to a nicer 3 million dollars

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1332470971752534019?s=21

So the Trump campaign paid $3 million for a recount in Milwaukee and Madison. The Milwaukee recount just concluded... and Joe Biden’s lead *grew* by 132 votes, per @PostRoz.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 27, 2020, 10:12:02 pm
You know his sucker fans / cultists donated the money right?

I mean liberals acting like Trump lost $3 million?!? I guess it makes people feel better to see it that way but it’s a pretty superficial reading

Trump probably personally made money by diverting other money raised for the recounts etc , having overbilling etc
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on November 28, 2020, 10:53:57 pm
It’s people like this that lost money...not Trump personally


Do democrats just not understand that?


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/trump-donor-election-fraud-sues-money-back?fbclid=IwAR34Xx2-S_Zb6-dqy_TobLL6vph9lueecHTECUt7fF3LYKNvTTWuteDGdn4
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 01, 2020, 09:29:04 am
Why do I like trump tears soo much...is this a temporary affliction?

https://twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/1333535859153440769?s=20
Brahm Resnik@brahmresnik
HE'LL GET BACK TO YOU Back in July, Gov. Ducey said he changed his White House ringtone to "Hail to The Chief" so he wouldn't miss a call from Trump/Pence.

Guess who called while Ducey was certifying Arizona's election? (7 secs in)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 01, 2020, 03:21:16 pm
Does this mean Barr is getting axed via tweet next????
@AP

 AG William Barr tells the AP that Justice Dept. hasn't uncovered widespread voting fraud that could have changed 2020 election outcome.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2020, 03:24:10 pm
Wow


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2020, 04:09:54 pm
So Rudy will be our next AG?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2020, 06:54:35 pm
PA was won in the Philly suburbs....not Philly


But I would caution democrats to not assume they can duplicate these huge margins in four years...

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/philadelphia-suburbs-2020-election-20201129.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2020, 08:04:01 pm
Interesting...


https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/politics/presidential-pardon-justice-department/index.html?fbclid=IwAR172NjQ0xrcuBRlI04pNx36m9eRhZzF_sptRgGlXro5dFmUkPUQmh1b5-8
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 02, 2020, 06:24:54 pm
wow...this man is seriously insane
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1334240039639937026?s=20

edit -- Jez this is the single version...there is an extended 12-inch version where he does this for 45 minutes






Does this mean Barr is getting axed via tweet next????
@AP AG William Barr tells the AP that Justice Dept. hasn't uncovered widespread voting fraud that could have changed 2020 election outcome.
somehow I missed this
Jonathan Swan@jonathanvswan
As we reported last night, POTUS is actively considering firing Barr and replacing with somebody more willing to do his bidding on election and Durham.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 02, 2020, 06:41:20 pm
I so hope he shitcans Barr
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 02, 2020, 08:39:29 pm
wow...this man is seriously insane
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1334240039639937026?s=20 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1334240039639937026?s=20)

edit -- Jez this is the single version...there is an extended 12-inch version where he does this for 45 minutes

full girth version: https://www.facebook.com/153080620724/posts/10165908467175725/ (https://www.facebook.com/153080620724/posts/10165908467175725/)

the comments are something else... fresh off the troll farm.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2020, 08:53:26 am
Oh this one is a doozy even for republicans

North Korean vessels delivered ballots through Maine Harbor.


So do we think they went through the Panama Canal or around cape horn?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 03, 2020, 03:59:42 pm
Oh this one is a doozy even for republicans

North Korean vessels delivered ballots through Maine Harbor.


So do we think they went through the Panama Canal or around cape horn?

wouldn't the northwest passage (through the arctic) be quicker?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2020, 04:04:21 pm
Oh this one is a doozy even for republicans

North Korean vessels delivered ballots through Maine Harbor.


So do we think they went through the Panama Canal or around cape horn?

wouldn't the northwest passage (through the arctic) be quicker?
climate change always seems to help the libs
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 03, 2020, 04:12:20 pm
ROFL
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 04, 2020, 05:13:41 pm
looks like Corey Lewandowski found a new job at the Pentagon...doesn't seem suspicious at all
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 04, 2020, 11:19:15 pm
More top notch lawyering from Rudy G.

One would think if this is going to be your star witness, a wee background check is in order

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/26813/giuliani_s_michigan_witness_mellissa_carone_harassed_sent_sex_videos_to_boyfriend_s_ex

Giuliani's Michigan Witness Mellissa Carone Harassed, Sent Sex Videos To Boyfriend's Ex

Did one years probation and managed to get a degree in cyber security from ITT

Also there is this “head shot”

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EocG_w8UUAEexsC.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 08, 2020, 11:33:01 am
seriously when will this shite end... Biden won get over it you trumpists..

Texas AG is suing GA, PA, WI and MI contesting their election results...  i sense a pattern here..

shame he isn't going after CA and NY they'd crush him in court, bet MD and VA  AGs wouldn't be so kind either

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 08, 2020, 11:36:37 am
just more hypocrisy from the "state rights and smaller government" party...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2020, 12:26:36 pm
A big realignment has happened...one could dismiss 2016 as a one off but not anymore

Democratic Party is now the party of middle and upper middle class and lower upper class


Republican Party is party of the poor and lower middle class and really rich

With exception of black people many of whom are poor and who still vote D

Democrats better get economic growth going or they will lose 2024.. it’s that simple..

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2020, 12:31:30 pm
A big realignment has happened...one could dismiss 2016 as a one off but not anymore

Democratic Party is now the party of middle and upper middle class and lower upper class


Republican Party is party of the poor and lower middle class and really rich

With exception of black people who still vote D

Democrats better get economic growth going or they will lose 2024.. it’s that simple..

How does the Republican Party manage to benefit both the poor and the really rich?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2020, 01:05:51 pm
Well that’s the “trick” isn’t it?

It seems completely counterintuitive but here we are...

On the other hand the filthy rich using the poor is not exactly news
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 08, 2020, 01:22:57 pm
just more hypocrisy from the "state rights and smaller government" party...
You know that 'state's rights' just meant, "we want to enact racist policies in our state that the Feds can't overrule, but want a more family-friendly way of saying it"

There was a time I actually believed they sincerely wanted state autonomy from the feds...but it's total bullshit

they have been so good at messaging and just making bumper sticker statements that their base just eats for breakfast, lunch and dinner and for some reason there is never a good 'bumper sticker' response...so they win with the dim-witted citizens

Sucks to be aligned with a party that has complex thoughts and policies that don't fit into 4 word statnents
We do the opposite i.e. Defund the police.
 A complex solution that ended up being used as a cudgel for the GOP to say "see they want to abolish the police and let those colored folks rape your daughter and take your money'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 08, 2020, 01:29:42 pm
Well that’s the “trick” isn’t it?

It seems completely counterintuitive but here we are...
it always boggles my mind that the poor folk are easily convinced to vote against their own interests...

All they do is turn everything into a culture war and your either one of us or one of those tattooed, Antifa, Commie, trans, some other shade than white, infant-blood thirsty American hating democrats

I keep hearing that Policy is just stupid on these national elections, it just gets tuned out by the VAST majority of voters

I would like to see an approach to address this 'culture war' and really try hard to show how we are more alike than different and how we are all in this as American Citizens

but doubt that will ever happen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2020, 01:36:01 pm
Well that’s the “trick” isn’t it?

you misspelled "scam".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 08, 2020, 06:34:20 pm
magnificent sad trombone sound for all  the members of the death cult pinning all their hopes and dreams on judge a.

also the corrupt af Texas AG is just angling for a pardon for his idiotic filing to decertify other states results.



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 09, 2020, 12:19:09 am
(https://i.etsystatic.com/20694537/r/il/db2aad/2010301760/il_794xN.2010301760_kmtp.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 09, 2020, 12:26:11 am
Was Orwell ever really “fiction”?

Maybe to Americans...maybe now it hits too near the bone?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 11, 2020, 02:57:51 pm
Nothing lends your bogus Supreme Court request more credence than someone forming new states on their own to join the case...

Say hello to New Nevada and New California!!!

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1337443032636010508?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 11, 2020, 03:05:26 pm
this is some crazy that is craizer the day before
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo-NVfoXYAMbpK2?format=jpg&name=large)

but would that give us 4 more senators?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 11, 2020, 03:31:23 pm
Yes but they probably be new republican ones...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 11, 2020, 07:02:29 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/130862215_3245810018854244_6823914152422377859_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=oYgrJ-wXqTIAX95nRgd&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=5ff314a663377a93e234be9519c0d3c6&oe=5FFAE3A5)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 11, 2020, 08:37:59 pm
Nothing lends your bogus Supreme Court request more credence than someone forming new states on their own to join the case...

Say hello to New Nevada and New California!!!

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1337443032636010508?s=21 (https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1337443032636010508?s=21)

my first thought is that this is insane.  my second thought is that whoever filed this should be disbarred.  this is a mockery.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 11, 2020, 09:20:57 pm
The country continues heading towards a civil war and picking up speed...

Let’s hope Biden has a successful presidency
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 11, 2020, 09:53:30 pm
I say let Texas, etc  succeed... it would be the most epic reality show ever...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 11, 2020, 10:17:57 pm
I say let Texas succeed...
Worst spelling error ever.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 11, 2020, 10:28:04 pm
It’s been a week....  I’ll blame the autocorrect
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 12, 2020, 02:57:19 pm
A big realignment has happened...one could dismiss 2016 as a one off but not anymore

Democratic Party is now the party of middle and upper middle class and lower upper class


Republican Party is party of the poor and lower middle class and really rich

With exception of black people many of whom are poor and who still vote D

Democrats better get economic growth going or they will lose 2024.. it’s that simple..

Mock election rest finally in from my daughter's school. Not sure if it's just one class or a collection of classes.. But the winner was Trump. No wonder my kid hates her school.

And our school is neither very rich, poor, not lower middle class.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 12, 2020, 03:07:45 pm
A big realignment has happened...one could dismiss 2016 as a one off but not anymore

Democratic Party is now the party of middle and upper middle class and lower upper class


Republican Party is party of the poor and lower middle class and really rich

With exception of black people many of whom are poor and who still vote D

Democrats better get economic growth going or they will lose 2024.. it’s that simple..

Mock election rest finally in from my daughter's school. Not sure if it's just one class or a collection of classes.. But the winner was Trump. No wonder my kid hates her school.

And our school is neither very rich, poor, not lower middle class.


I hope you are not saying we take your kids school vote-in Arlington or Fairfax which went 70%+ for Biden - as indicative of anything...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 12, 2020, 03:10:50 pm
Fairfax results for Space Freely

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/elections/sites/elections/files/assets/result/resu1120.pdf
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 12, 2020, 03:14:32 pm
Median household income Fairfax...over 100K

If this isn’t upper middle class not sure what is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virginia_locations_by_per_capita_income#:~:text=List%20of%20Virginia%20locations%20by%20per%20capita%20income,%20%20%24105%2C416%20%2029%20more%20rows%20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 12, 2020, 03:15:37 pm
Fairfax results for Space Freely

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/elections/sites/elections/files/assets/result/resu1120.pdf

We live in the Springfield District, which if you look on that chart, you'll see that Trump won.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 12, 2020, 03:20:37 pm
x
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 13, 2020, 09:13:59 am
Kosmo your girl is now a GOP celebrity like the hamburgler gun couple... so of course that means they get a speaking spot at rallies 

She came to DC to “protect her children’s right to vote “
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1337857427350417410?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2020, 08:36:19 pm
Yeah I was wondering how many Stormy’s she worth at this point
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 13, 2020, 09:16:51 pm
I think a 1/4 Stormy would be highway robbery
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 14, 2020, 09:03:52 am
I think a 1/4 Stormy would be highway robbery

well there is a potential sex tape leak, plus she got a nod from the person losing their twitter account on 1/20/2021, so I would bump it up to a 1/2 Stormy... she'll get expenses for travel to a couple more events and they'll realize what a dingbat she is and stop inviting her...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 14, 2020, 11:03:20 am
Kind of feel like this...



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/donald-trumps-defeat-is-good-why-does-it-feel-so-bad/ar-BB1bUB5w
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 14, 2020, 02:32:48 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpNxUaPVQAMAy-t?format=jpg&name=small)
That's fine, I'll take my demo-crate somewhere it is appreciated
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 15, 2020, 12:03:52 pm
Mitch recognizes president elect Joe Biden


Biden wins (again)!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 15, 2020, 01:19:47 pm
^ Nice...that is good news
crazy people are always in the house, the senate tries a lot harder not be the fringe types

I really can't take all this winning...feels like Joe has one at least 10 times
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on December 15, 2020, 03:18:32 pm
Let's Go Buttigieg! Transportation Queen (IA+)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 15, 2020, 03:23:17 pm
That’s great..

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 17, 2020, 02:55:48 pm
I been thinking about the Latino vote


It went up for Trump across the board...why?

An affinity with authoritarianism? Race relations between Latinos and blacks and Black Lives Matter? A mix...


There has to be a reason

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 17, 2020, 03:09:37 pm
I been thinking about the Latino vote


It went up for Trump across the board...why?

An affinity with authoritarianism? Race relations between Latinos and blacks and Black Lives Matter? A mix...


There has to be a reason
Abortion and Cuba.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2020, 03:12:58 pm
maybe Joe should have done his own 'I love Hispanics' Tweet...as we all know ALL Latino voters love taco bowls from Trump tower
(https://img2-azrcdn.newser.com/image/1067313-13-20160505164233.jpeg)
(this is the most condescending tweet of all time)
(also, his office is a freaking mess...I wouldn't want that in a photo)


I heard in FL they did a lot of advertising on Hispanic radio and that had an impact as that was those voters only real touch

I think 'Strong Man' leadership is important to that voter
I do think the BLM stuff probably scared some of those voters too
I think they were concerned about the taco truck on every corner, can't belive Joe is still planning on doing that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2020, 04:37:17 pm
I think they were concerned about the taco truck on every corner, can't belive Joe is still planning on doing that

2021 is looking soooooooooooooooo much better.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 17, 2020, 04:46:03 pm
I been thinking about the Latino vote


It went up for Trump across the board...why?

An affinity with authoritarianism? Race relations between Latinos and blacks and Black Lives Matter? A mix...


There has to be a reason
Abortion and Cuba.

Abortion hasn’t changed

Cuba only explains South Floriduh

It has to be something else
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 17, 2020, 04:47:46 pm
Correct, and Hispanics have always disproportionately voted for the GOP compared to BIPOC because of abortion.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 17, 2020, 04:53:49 pm
One of my neighbors who drives a monster Ford truck with a WGTS bumper sticker nailed two Trump signs to his evergreen (tallest tree on the block) about 15 feet up. I wonder when he's going to take the signs down?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 19, 2020, 04:34:36 pm
is it just a coincidence or is it weird the week of the rollout of the vaccine, we have an event (https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/EpjpLu9UUAEZbgQ.jpeg) with the GA senate contenders and zombie killers?
Jon Ossoff, Rev. Warnock, and the Walking Dead
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 21, 2020, 09:37:55 am
So my mom said the martial law is only happening in swing states.

If that's the case, perhaps you should change your name to poison underpants-hatch.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 21, 2020, 09:58:16 am
so surely that means TX, FL, OH and NC?
or just the swing states trump lost

Thankfully that VA is no longer considered a swing state!

Not sure what the poison underpants is
but found that they think the Russian may have been poisoned that way
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/alexei-navalny-may-have-had-poison-sprinkled-in-his-underwear/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on December 21, 2020, 10:47:10 am
Guardian readers voted "This Year" as song of the year for 2020

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/dec/21/good-riddance-2020-the-ultimate-new-years-eve-songs-as-voted-by-you
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 21, 2020, 11:06:03 am
Wow Mountain Goats won

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 21, 2020, 02:38:09 pm
Payback is a bitch


https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/21/politics/william-barr-hunter-biden-election-special-counsel/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 21, 2020, 02:52:37 pm
speaking of payback.... it's funny how a couple lawsuits aimed at the conservative broadcasts news outlets have them back peddling on conspiracy theories on voting machines...

actually this is some serious lawyers got involved tail between the legs mea copula action here

 https://twitter.com/billprady/status/1341087280992161792?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 22, 2020, 03:38:19 am
looks like at least one baseless election conspiracy has come crashing into reality:

Newsmax issues sweeping ‘clarification’ debunking its own coverage of election misinformation (https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2020/12/21/newsmax-clarification-smartmatic/)
Online and on the air, the network said it ‘would like to clarify its news coverage and note it has not reported as true certain claims made about’ two election technology companies.

Fox News fact-checks Smartmatic voting machine fraud claim in staged video (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/20/fox-news-retracts-voting-machine-fraud-claim-smartmatic)
- Segment airs on shows hosted by Dobbs, Pirro and Bartiromo
- Smartmatic threatens action for ‘false and defamatory claims’
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 22, 2020, 09:25:48 am
they found one case of a verified dead person voting in PA and hold on to your horses people... it was cast for he who shall vacate DC in January
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 09:43:23 am
The downward spiral continues as he starts making enemies of his closest allies

The latest: Targets of his outrage include Vice President Pence, chief of staff Mark Meadows, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, Secretary of State Pompeo and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Barr wasn't even on this list
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 22, 2020, 10:04:38 am
Part of me worries about Trump continuing to undermine the rule of law and democracy


Another part hopes he continues down this path heading into the bunker of denial. every day that goes by he is a little more a loser and a little weaker...maybe we can reach a the emperor has no clothes/ have you no decency sir moment but it’s probably wishful thinking and just too late
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 12:27:51 pm
Rudy swears on his mothers grave that Sidney isn't a part of the legal team

"Let me say definitely that Sidney Powell is not part of our legal team, she hasn't been for 5 weeks, she is not a special counsel for the president, she does not speak for the president, nor does she speak for the administration. She speaks for herself." -- Rudy Giuliani


later J swan at Axios reports
Giuliani can say all of this but I’ve spent the past four days on the phone to Trump aides and the consensus is that the president is listening to Sidney Powell more than just about anyone who is on his payroll, certainly more than his own White House Counsel.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 22, 2020, 03:34:31 pm
Newsom picked Alex Padilla to replace Kamala in Senate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 22, 2020, 04:34:47 pm
Newsom picked Alex Padilla to replace Kamala in Senate

Bass or Alex Padilla are probably your favorites.

*coughs*
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 04:59:34 pm
wow....things are getting weird
The Trump administration sued Walmart on Tuesday, accusing its pharmacies of not properly screening questionable painkiller prescriptions and filling them, ultimately fueling nationwide addiction.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 22, 2020, 06:59:13 pm
Newsom picked Alex Padilla to replace Kamala in Senate

Bass or Alex Padilla are probably your favorites.

*coughs*

Noted
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 04:19:54 pm
Trump vetoes defense bill, saying it "includes provisions that fail to respect our veterans and our military's history, and contradicts efforts by my Administration to put America first in our national security and foreign policy.
Calls it "gift" to China and Russia.

One of the reasons he cited was a provision in the bill to rename military bases after Confederate generals.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 05:17:10 pm
is it bizzro day and nobody told me

Official at FreedomWorks, the conservative group, on POTUS' push for $2K in checks:
"Trump is surrendering the argument on universal basic income ... You are not better than AOC right now"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 23, 2020, 05:56:37 pm
A one time dead on arrival throw some shit at the wall $2000 pandemic payment is surrendering on universal basic income?

Ok then....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 05:58:04 pm
I do love the right in-fighting.
it's very on-brand for the Dems
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2020, 11:52:18 pm
my MAGA FIL...all he wanted to talk about...Section 230 and how twitter was destroying the US and the gov't gave carte blanche specifically to Twitter and Facebook. He was convinced they were specifically named in the law(even though it was written in the 90s) and was really frustrated that you can't sue twitter for blocking you. 

That was apparently a really big deal, you should be able to take twitter to court because you got banned there.

then started comparing it to Equal Opp type laws, ya know whereas a hotel owner you have to rent to black or Muslim people even if you didn't want to, why shouldn't Twitter have the same kind of rule.

after a while I was like: "Hey, I'm going to just go over there and work on that port wine cheese ball"

That Trump can get these guys twerked out on this topic is kinda scary...he wields some crazy under the radar power
Guy wouldn't know how to find Twitter if I paid him, but this is a crazy important topic that the gov't should be addressed right away
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 25, 2020, 12:29:24 am
That’s so sad

They are grasping at anything to blame and whatever Trump says they instantly regurgitate


I just read Trump’s tweet about section 230 ten minutes ago!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 25, 2020, 12:41:15 am
I mean I think the consensus is that without social media Trump would not have won in 2016! First of all it allowed him to bypass more established media and control the narrative.....second  they had way less $ than HRC but by using Facebook they could micro target every loon (or Republican) fairly cheaply... Third you had the BOTs driving higher polling on instant polls post debates in the primaries...and spreading anti HRC conspiracy theories...This all fairly well established

And I mean after he was “elected”: nobody has EVER in history had more power on social media than Trump the past four years and it’s not even close

It’s like when Trump complains that FOX news cost him reelection... it’s like one wants to say you serious bro?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on December 25, 2020, 05:00:44 am
then started comparing it to Equal Opp type laws, ya know whereas a hotel owner you have to rent to black or Muslim people even if you didn't want to, why shouldn't Twitter have the same kind of rule.

the correct analogy here is a hotel owner refusing to rent to someone after they shit all over the lobby.  everyone is allowed to stay at the hotel as long as they respect the hotel's rules.  if you don't like the hotel's rules, go somewhere else.  no one is forcing you to stay at that hotel.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 25, 2020, 02:04:44 pm
Ossoff just raised $107 million in two months.
Goodness, I have to imagine this was good for the GA economy
Be interesting how to see how much revenue the state saw in the last 4 months. Gotta assume it was all spent and taxed in state
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 25, 2020, 02:08:42 pm
the correct analogy here is a hotel owner refusing to rent to someone after they shit all over the lobby.  everyone is allowed to stay at the hotel as long as they respect the hotel's rules.  if you don't like the hotel's rules, go somewhere else.  no one is forcing you to stay at that hotel.
A specific rule about defecating in the lobby?  Would the rule be you can't destroy property and I can have you thrown out/refuse service for doing that even if you paid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 26, 2020, 02:22:15 pm
<GeorgeTakei.gif>

Seems my favorite loony tune from MI is in a pot of boiling water...

Mellissa Carone, Giuliani’s star witness has received a cease and desist letter from Dominion! In the letter Dominion states that Mellissa overstated her position, because she was hired for 1 day.... TO CLEAN THE GLASS ON THE MACHINES!

https://twitter.com/janineaturner/status/1342495172135952391?s=21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 26, 2020, 03:11:01 pm
do you think Mellissa will run for a House Seat or go straight for Whitmer in 2022?
She's quite the MAGA darling and just look at this pedigree
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 26, 2020, 06:07:10 pm
I think she has a bright future in signing autographs at gun shows.. she’ll probably get one legit CPAC appearance, followed by a couple stunt appearances and her career will be over
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 26, 2020, 09:16:04 pm
Well, I'm rooting for her, we need more comedy in our lives
I think gun show autographs is a step up from a temp job as a glass cleaner
and I bet she'll resurface in 2024
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 26, 2020, 09:23:04 pm
If she resurfaces wouldn’t it be in 2022?

By 2024 she will be a footnote to a footnote
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 26, 2020, 09:55:20 pm
Ever heard of the National Security Medal?
Yeah, me neither.
Not that it really matters, but he gave one to Jared, Pompeo, Mnuchin and others for Peace in the Mid-east?!?
Guess DJT is still mad that Obama got a NPP
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 26, 2020, 10:01:32 pm
When are we going to ignore Trump’s meaningless none sense?


Try to wean yourself off Hatch! You are like addicted to Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on December 27, 2020, 07:28:11 pm
Did anybody have Super Gonorrhea on their 2020 bingo card?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 27, 2020, 07:54:09 pm
How about white male suicide bomber in Nashville... wonder where he was radicalized and of course had he been anything other than a white male, he who golfs wouldn’t have shut up about it..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 27, 2020, 09:09:17 pm
I can’t unsee this stuff
To answer the last question: yes!

WHAT???
If this is true,  Trump needs to continue to drain the swamp because it’s much deeper than we thought!!!
AT&T got a contract to do forensic audit on Dominion voting machines and those machines were being moved to Nashville this past week.
The former owner of the AT&T building in Nashville, William Kennard, is a board member for Cerberus Capital Management and AT&T.... He also was Bill Clinton’s FCC chair, and Obama’s Ambassador to the EU.
Dominion voting is owned by Cerberus Capital Management.... Cerberus is run by Staple Street Execs.  Joe Bidens Brother in Law, Steven Owens, is the cofounder of Staple Street Execs along with William Kennard (mentioned above).
Super Computer in TN was connected to the AT&T internet in NASHVILLE.... yesterday evening the Cumberland river cooling system was compromised due to internet outage and Supercomputer fried.....
If you don’t know, “Kraken” is a reference to a supercomputer former prosecuter, Sidney Powell, has been talking about.
So, the explosion “just happened” to be at the AT&T location where they “just so happen” to control the cooling system for the super computer and house the dominion voting machines and drives for forensic audit...
Does it make sense now why no lives were lost?  Does it make sense now why the FBI task lead couldn’t even put together a coherent sentence in the press conference yesterday?  Does it make sense why the mayor was making light of the situation, almost laughing yesterday?
*Still think we are all crazy?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 27, 2020, 09:13:20 pm
*Still think we are all crazy?
OK we are feuding again in 2021, it’s decided.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 27, 2020, 09:33:48 pm
And to think in the past it would have taken an ad buried in the back of some magazine and a SASE in order to spread intelligence like that...

And I realized yes that I too can concoct a conspiracy theory... was sure when I first saw about the bombing it was designed to spark something  far more sinister among the heavily armed nut jobs... for more details look for my Ad in the back of Rolling Stone
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on December 28, 2020, 02:08:40 pm
I don't even understand what's going on anymore

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-pence-sued-by-louie-gohmert-kelli-ward-pack-of-republicans-to-force-vp-to-pick-trump-electors-on-jan-6
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 28, 2020, 02:13:10 pm
I don't even understand what's going on anymore

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-pence-sued-by-louie-gohmert-kelli-ward-pack-of-republicans-to-force-vp-to-pick-trump-electors-on-jan-6
any statement that starts with this :
A group of Republicans including Rep. Louie Gohmert
can surely be ignored as malarkey
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 28, 2020, 02:56:49 pm
the correct analogy here is a hotel owner refusing to rent to someone after they shit all over the lobby.  everyone is allowed to stay at the hotel as long as they respect the hotel's rules.  if you don't like the hotel's rules, go somewhere else.  no one is forcing you to stay at that hotel.
Here was a better analogy
Would Burger King be liable if you came in and shouted obscenities at their customers? Should they be forced to host you on their premises and allow your attack on their clients to continue? Of course not. The same rules should apply to an internet company, and thanks to Section 230 they do.

from this excellent article about 230
https://fee.org/articles/what-is-section-230-and-why-do-trump-and-his-allies-want-to-repeal-it/

I was a little shocked at the author...but still a well-written piece on the topic
Hannah Cox is a libertarian-conservative writer, commentator, and activist. She's a Newsmax Insider and a Contributor to The Washington Examiner.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 28, 2020, 04:28:44 pm
One of my new favorite human beings is the Lieutenant Gov of PA John Fetterman.
https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman
https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1343604451601473538
PA wants its money!

Is Texas' Dan Patrick prepared to part with his $1 million reward?
Texas' Dan Patrick (R) offered financial rewards for evidence of voter fraud. Then Pennsylvania's John Fetterman (D) came calling.

All John Fetterman wants for Christmas is the $3 million he says Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick owes him. The Democratic lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania has been trolling his Republican counterpart for weeks to collect on the $1 million Patrick offered in November for evidence of fraud in the Nov. 3 election. Three supporters of President Donald Trump have now been charged in separate voter fraud schemes in Pennsylvania. Fetterman says they should all count for bounty purposes.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 12:35:14 pm
Our leaders (not me, of course!) are pathetic.
so would this go in the confirmation denied thread?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 12:44:27 pm
Ever heard of the National Security Medal?
Yeah, me neither.
Not that it really matters, but he gave one to Jared, Pompeo, Mnuchin and others for Peace in the Mid-east?!?
Guess DJT is still mad that Obama got a NPP
Welp, can confirm...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqW_vL_XUAUIdHs?format=jpg&name=large)
David Gura
@davidgura
A video President Trump tweeted today features the Nobel Peace Prize superimposed over photographs of him with the prime minister of Israel, and the foreign ministers of Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates.
 
A REMINDER: The president has not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 12:47:42 pm
I'd say this is a good sign that the GOTV efforts are working
Georgia has set a turnout record for a runoff election, with 2.3M voters participating via absentee


only 50% of those who voted on Nov 7th
in 2008 there was a senate run off and 2.2 mil voted (and Saxby won because 800k GA voters who voted D in the General, didn't show up for the runoff!)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 03:35:24 pm

Guess DJT is still mad that Obama got a NPP
Welp, can confirm...David Gura
@davidgura
A video President Trump tweeted today features the Nobel Peace Prize superimposed over photographs of him with the prime minister of Israel, and the foreign ministers of Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates.
 A REMINDER: The president has not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
wasn't even the right medal
John Kraljevich@JohnSpiroSpero
Professional medal guy here. I’ve actually catalogued/authenticated a Nobel Peace Prize before (it brought over a million bucks at auction).

That’s not even a Nobel Peace Prize. The medal depicted is awarded for physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, and literature.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 30, 2020, 10:08:51 am
Man stakes must be high as Carole King is emailing me to support the dems in the GA election
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 09:11:44 pm
People forget but how much more would 2020 have sucked if Trump had gotten re-elected ?


I don’t know that I could have handled that


And no I don’t have big plans tonight..champagne and shrimp and a kids movie
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2020, 09:14:08 pm
Djtrumplibrary.com
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 01, 2021, 03:58:00 pm
wow, congress is actually working when most people have the day off

Congress overrides Trump's veto of defense spending bill



He only has veto'ed 9 bills, this is the first one congress has overridden!
guess better late than never and letting the door hit ya on the way out

also of note Senators Perdue and Loeffler, did not vote.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 01, 2021, 04:56:16 pm
You like the bill, eh?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 02, 2021, 07:00:33 am
Fascinating


Everyone will see what they want here...of course

https://www.ajc.com/politics/early-voting-ends-with-record-3m-georgia-voters-for-us-senate-runoffs/47HZD2AAXRDZDCHPJXKNZVKRTE/

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 03, 2021, 02:51:01 pm
One possible outcome...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1345533164102541315.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 03, 2021, 02:53:03 pm
I wish
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 03, 2021, 09:36:53 pm
No comments on the Georgia call? You guys are disappointing me.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 03, 2021, 10:00:10 pm
No comments on the Georgia call? You guys are disappointing me.
I listened to the first 45 min actually. The highlights are all that’s needed — it’s mostly dull. Trump just comes off very uneducated on every issue. Like he’s clearly reading things off paper and not even knowing what he’s saying.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 03, 2021, 11:33:47 pm
I am no longer following what our outgoing President does..

I urge good Americans to do the same
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 04, 2021, 07:35:31 am
I am no longer following what our outgoing President does..

I urge good Americans to do the same

Jeebus man, don't look away yet. Give it at least a few weeks.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 04, 2021, 08:52:12 am
I am no longer following what our outgoing President does..

I urge good Americans to do the same

Jeebus man, don't look away yet. Give it at least a few weeks.

Though what Hutch says would be better for my health, I'm with this guy. I think Biden's strategy of not giving any attention to Trump is effective, but I don't trust these creeps to not pull shit out of their asses and make it work.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 04, 2021, 09:23:28 am
Devin Nunes and Gym Jordan get their Presidential Medals of Freedom today!

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-trump-medal-freedom-20210104-rysnqw36anh4xhvkiuofas5kbm-story.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 04, 2021, 09:41:44 am
This is the headline where my mom gets her news (Newsmax):

Trump Ga. Transcript Shows Case for Vote Fraud, President Acted Properly


And this is the Fox News headline:

Georgia GOP Senate candidate defends Trump's call with top state official, calls leak of audio 'disgusting'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 09:46:53 am
fighting on the inside of the GOP makes me so happy
I love seeing these people light Tom Cotton up for not joining in with sedition
even Jonathan Turley said it was bad, and this guy defended trump on the floor of the congress during the impeachment

Jonathan Turley@JonathanTurley
Telling Raffensperger to "find" the votes on the Saturday before the certification is breathtaking. https://washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html I am as mystified by the request as I am the logic. Such an opportunistic move to secure the 16 electoral votes would not work to change the outcome.


I think he mostly said it was bad because even if it did work it wouldn't win him the election...con men to the end
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 10:01:20 am
You want to rationalize paying attention to Trump but the truth is you are addicted to his show...you want to think you are being a good citizen by paying attention..you been telling yourself this for over four years..and it’s tough to let it go

It’s pretty obvious you should be paying more attention to the winner..you know: Biden...it’s pretty obvious you should be following his lead..if there’s a need for you to go back to watching the Trump show or freak out - trust me- Biden will let you know

Trump is that crazy relative at Thanksgiving... ignore him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 10:08:35 am
you should be paying more attention to the winner..you know: Biden...it’s pretty obvious you should be following his lead...
Here we go with 'no criming' joe, not sure I can take four years of this ;)
Joe Biden@JoeBiden
Here’s my promise to you: I’ll be a president for all Americans. Whether you voted for me or not, I’ll wake up every single morning and work to make your life better.


How is he supposed to inspire people by telling you that he's working for everyone?
I mean the guy only has 22 million followers, not sure someone with that few can really be trusted
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 10:14:49 am
it was quite a bombshell, but it's like one bomb dropping after 400 previous ones...kinda loses its chutzpah


This could be a crazy week...
Tuesday with the GA vote....any thoughts or predictions...do we need a thread?
Looks to be a nailbiter, the negative press can't help...but who knows, maybe it will drive more MAGA out?
As of Sunday afternoon, Georgie Votes reported 3,032,066 people have voted in the runoff election so far.

^I think boes well for the dems...actually more than the general!


Wednesday there is bound to be some theatrics on the floor...as well in the streets of DC (stay home people)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 04, 2021, 10:15:13 am
You want to rationalize paying attention to Trump but the truth is you are addicted to his show...you want to think you are being a good citizen by paying attention..you been telling yourself this for over four years..and it’s tough to let it go

It’s pretty obvious you should be paying more attention to the winner..you know: Biden...it’s pretty obvious you should be following his lead..if there’s a need for you to go back to watching the Trump show or freak out - trust me- Biden will let you know

Trump is that crazy relative at Thanksgiving... ignore him

He's still president and he and his lackeys still have the power of the presidency.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 10:25:29 am
That’s exactly what he wants - NEEDS - you to think...

That’s his power


He’s a lame duck who just got overridden by Congress..and by Mitch.. the courts have laughed his 823 challenges out the door

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 04, 2021, 10:35:35 am
That’s exactly what he wants - NEEDS - you to think...

That’s his power


He’s a lame duck who just got overridden by Congress..and by Mitch.. the courts have laughed his 823 challenges out the door

Unlike other lame ducks, he hasn't accepted that he is one. So neither will I.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 11:04:56 am
this is going to be a long 16 days!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 04, 2021, 11:18:42 am
this is going to be a long 16 days!

Depends. If you've got your head in the sand, you don't so much notice the passage of time.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 11:23:42 am
Or if you have your head out of your ass.... time goes faster



The only thing I am looking at is Georgia


The other thing that gets me is so people think paying attention means they are doing something? I mean what is Space going to do from his government job, change a 9 into a 6 or remove a decimal? Seems to me if you really where going to resist this Trump onslaught you might have, you know, quit your government job? What exactly does paying attention accomplish? You are able to post your concern about Georgia on the 930 board? So??? You are ready to take up arms for the resistance? Please. Don’t flatter yourself.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 11:23:50 am
this is going to be a long 16 days!

Depends. If you've got your head in the sand, you don't so much notice the passage of time.
I can't do it, I'm going to try but I just can't stop looking at the car accident
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 11:26:52 am
So in the end all you do is amplify and strengthen the outgoing President to make yourself feel you are being some sort of guardian of democracy?

“Oh yeah I KNOW what Trump is doing...I KNOW!!”


So?

What are YOU doing?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 11:31:44 am
What are YOU doing?
I donated again to Oss/War even though they have been treating my inbox like a two dollar whore
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 04, 2021, 11:33:20 am
Or if you have your head out of your ass.... time goes faster



The only thing I am looking at is Georgia


The other thing that gets me is so people think paying attention means they are doing something? I mean what is Space going to do from his government job, change a 9 into a 6 or remove a decimal? Seems to me if you really where going to resist this Trump onslaught you might have, you know, quit your government job? What exactly does paying attention accomplish? You are able to post your concern about Georgia on the 930 board? So??? You are ready to take up arms for the resistance? Please. Don’t flatter yourself.

Wow, you are angry this morning! Is it that time of the month for you?  Don't worry, I will take care of you with TLC and positivity!

I never said I could do anything to change anything. Well, I can in little ways. I can keep talking to conservative people I know, hoping to change their minds in the future.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 11:34:37 am
Not angry at all

My neck hurts though


It’s not you it’s just all liberals permanently going on and on every time Trump takes a shit... but really not willing to do anything about it other than post about how horrible it is on Facebook ...or the internet..to be fair what can one do?

So if we can’t do anything and the guy has been voted out let’s stop jumping every time Trump says something insane.. that’s what he wants..

It just seems people can’t accept this point? They can’t accept they are really powerless and that virtue signaling really doesn’t do anything...or that they are playing right into Trump’s hands

My apologies if I crossed the line.



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 04, 2021, 02:37:29 pm
Let's change the subject: how does everyone see GA playing out tomorrow. Here's my ranking of the likeliness of each possible outcome:

1. GOP wins both
2. Warnock/Perdue
3. Dems win both
4. A meteor wipes the state of Georgia off the map pre-election
5. Ossoff/Loeffler
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 02:42:30 pm
ouch...your most likely prediction is they GOP take both :(
truth hurts on that one

I would say it's still a toss-up and WAAAY closer than it would have been if all the marbles weren't on the table

I thought Ossoff had a much better chance since he got 49% in the general
Turn out seems to be insane

I'm going to try and stay positive and say Dems Win Both!  I've been wrong before, why not one more time!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 04:15:38 pm
Yeah I am on the record that both Republicans will win....

But am not sure what this is based on

The past?


I hope am wrong

I been reading about GA...the state is changing...lots of economic development driving migration there..

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on January 04, 2021, 04:32:50 pm
Let's change the subject: how does everyone see GA playing out tomorrow. Here's my ranking of the likeliness of each possible outcome:

1. GOP wins both
2. Warnock/Perdue
3. Dems win both
4. A meteor wipes the state of Georgia off the map pre-election
5. Ossoff/Loeffler

1. GOP wins both

Based on a bunch of nothing really. I just don't think a Democrat win is possible there.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 04:50:40 pm
dang fellas, way to send those positive peach vibes
Past would indicate the Dems get creamed...but lot's of unknowns that I think help...but I'm always a foolish dem optimist

one thing in our favor is Joe won GA
not getting the $2k I think worked in favor of the Dems
I can't say that Sunday's 'perfect call' helped the GOP in any way (other than maybe they want a mob boss to rule them?)

Something like $500 mill was spent in GA just on ad placement since Election Day!
who knows how many other millions were spent on staff (jez I'm sure the taxpayers footed a lot of this with all of Trump team making about 10 visits)

yikes...another nail biter
we really need the senate, mitch is going to be such an ass if we don't take both these seats
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 04, 2021, 05:11:51 pm
Republicans will win both and it’ll suck.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 04, 2021, 09:48:21 pm
i say they split the two seats, and the senate gets even less done than usual with a 1-vote GOP majority.  it'll be easy to pick off a romney or someone similar on the important stuff, so nothing gets passed.  the end.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 09:50:59 pm
i say they split the two seats, and the senate gets even less done than usual with a 1-vote GOP majority.  it'll be easy to pick off a romney or someone similar on the important stuff, so nothing gets passed.  the end.

Yeah but wrong..

It will not be easy to pick off Mitt and Mitch will still control the senate under this scenario.. Mitch will control everything brought up for vote! He will control every committee etc
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 10:00:10 pm
There is a counter argument that what would be best for Biden (not  the progressives) would be not having the senate

If democrats control house and senate the pressure on Biden to go left - something he doesn’t want and which will be punished in the midterms- will be tremendous

If Mitch controls senate all Joe has to do is find a few areas on which to compromise with Mitch and get it done

I mean Biden wants to be boring middle of the road and his priority is going to be patching country together not ripping it apart further

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2021, 10:15:54 pm
But you keep forgetting the part where Mitch is a total dick
These guys don’t change
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 04, 2021, 10:36:54 pm



But Mitch will have his own problems trying to prevent a return of Trump, a split in his caucus and defending the majority in 22


It’s a complicated scenario for Mitch

What if Mitch loses majority leader position in Georgia elections and Biden- now with senate control and pressure from left- overshoots and Mitch and Republicans roar back in 2022?


Things are not quite as simple as they look

I hope democrats win senate but there are mines all around whatever happens

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2021, 10:01:59 am
It would be nice...but not going to happen...if GA election was called tonight

I can only imagine this is going to add to the chaos that is brewing for Wednesday
We have Reps who want to bring a glock on the floor, senators willing to wipe their ass with the constitution if it gets them air time...
we are getting to the point where the UN would get involved with other developing countries
Will we ever be able to shed the MAGA stink after this
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 05, 2021, 04:04:29 pm
Problems up in PA.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/spl/john-fetterman-pennsylvania-senate-removed-republicans-jim-brewster-20210105.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 05, 2021, 05:58:53 pm
First exit polls minutes away...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2021, 06:02:26 pm
I'm am on pins and needles

I'd love an upset here...it would just be so satisfying
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 05, 2021, 08:00:14 pm
I'm am on pins and needles

I'd love an upset here...it would just be so satisfying


Results in 3....2...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 08:36:17 pm
I think the main reason we need to win both these seats is as a smack down of Trump... America needs that bad

Mitch is collateral damage
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 09:02:28 pm
Wasserman would rather be the democrats at this point..especially Warnock



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 05, 2021, 09:13:43 pm
We really have very little Election Day vote counted and until we see how that is coming in and turnout (other than anecdotal), don’t pop the champagne but . . .
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2021, 09:25:13 pm
Bottle is chilling and sword is drawn

Worried about massive republican dumps
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2021, 09:52:29 pm
Went from a ten point lead to a 5 point lead
Dumps, we are seeing dumps everywhere
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 09:55:30 pm
Rigged!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 05, 2021, 09:58:17 pm
NYT Needles still looking good for Dems, especially Warnock.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2021, 10:07:37 pm
Dude
I just checked NYT and it’s now a less than 1 point race!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 05, 2021, 10:18:09 pm
Yeah this isn't looking good 😕
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 10:19:19 pm
What?!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 05, 2021, 10:20:48 pm
CNN has shown a decline from a 10% margin early on to 0.4% right now. Momentum is not our friend...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 05, 2021, 10:21:12 pm
You all really don’t understand how this works. All the news has been good for Dems so far. GOP aren’t hitting trumps numbers pretty much anywhere. Dems are exceeding Biden numbers virtually everywhere. Biden won.

Look at the NYT needle, people. Almost votes aren’t counted in metro Atlanta counties.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 05, 2021, 10:24:35 pm
Warnock +590 votes on 2.9 million total.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 05, 2021, 10:25:56 pm
And just like that, both Rs are leading 50.x to 49.x
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 05, 2021, 10:30:34 pm
Look at the NYT needle, people. Almost votes aren’t counted in metro Atlanta counties.

NYT "Whats Happening Now" is 28 minutes old!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 10:31:15 pm
Biden was down like 100k before slowly gaining ground.


Still feeling good

Usually the big democrat cities report a lot of vote at end
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 10:42:11 pm
Wasserman has seen enough


Warnock wins
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2021, 10:44:09 pm
This special election drew more than the 2020 election (largest turnout in over a century)... is amazing
What does suck is that 2 million GA voters were inspired by Trump is sad at the same time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 10:45:18 pm
Warnock wins
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 05, 2021, 10:45:56 pm
Wasserman has seen enough


Warnock wins
You’re following the person I said is the only worthwhile Twitter feed.

I’m a proud papa.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 10:53:09 pm
Yes he is good...


There is so much vote still outstanding in and around Atlanta...if he called it so early for Warnock I remain hopeful for Ossoff

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 05, 2021, 11:11:51 pm
Ossoff is def the favorite in his race now. NYT has him at 75% chance to win.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2021, 11:14:35 pm
Katie Porter@katieporteroc
Say it with me: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 05, 2021, 11:23:00 pm
Joe Manchin grows more powerful by the second.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2021, 11:37:10 pm
Went from a ten point lead to a 5 point lead
Dumps, we are seeing dumps everywhere
I fuckin' called it...

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Looks like they are setting up a big “voter dump” against the Republican candidates. Waiting to see how many votes they need?
10:28 PM · Jan 5, 2021·
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 11:45:55 pm
Just fuckin ignore him!! He was going to tweet something asinine either way regardless of results!


———


Anyways the needle has Ossoff at 82% chance of winning and Wasserman says most outstanding votes are in great turf for him....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 11:57:56 pm
I think it’s happening!!!

We should know in the next hour
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on January 06, 2021, 12:07:03 am
Trump. of course, getting the year wrong

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErBGvxaW8AI-CfE?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 12:13:05 am
Just fuckin ignore him!!
I know
I just thought it was funny he used dumps again, he likes to stick to the hits


So 2020 GA GE Total votes   4,999,960 (man, they couldn't just find 41 votes to break 5 mil)
what are we thinking SE 2021 turnout is like

Sounds like 1 Billion was spent on this race
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 12:24:25 am
I think now we can say warnock wins


Decision Desk HQ Projects @ReverendWarnock (D) has won the Georgia Special Senate Runoff Election
 
Race Called: 11:13PM EST 01.05.21


It is insane how close so many races are
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErBcSqUXUAAwtVJ?format=jpg&name=medium)
The problem is you shouldn't watch this in real-time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 12:42:26 am
Both races are over.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 12:56:49 am
Wasserman calls it for Ossoff


So great
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:00:41 am
wasn't quite over was it...

JAN. 5, 11:57 PM
The Cook Political Report’s Dave Wasserman, who has one of the faster election-projecting trigger fingers, has called the regular Senate election for Ossoff. However, no media outlet has issued a projection yet.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 01:04:15 am
It was over


I just trust Wasserman and Cohn more than myself and I know you do but it’s been over for hours if you know how to read the data..


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 01:08:25 am
I note for the record that my prediction in the Nostradamus thread was a 50-50 Senate.


I just didn’t see us winning either seat in Georgia
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:10:04 am
I must say, that is still some hubris on the reading of the tea leaves


Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger says on @CNN there are about 200,000 votes still to be counted. And will have a better sense of where the race is by noon tomorrow


that's a lot of votes
I know it's some what predictable they will lean heavy d based on the location
but the race is really close
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:18:18 am
..but I'm always a foolish dem optimist

man of course the one I win didn't have any prizes
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:30:00 am
there is about zero chance we get a concession speech
but this kills me  Sen. Loeffler is leaving for Washington, DC where she will challenge the presidential electoral votes in a joint session fo Congress later today.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 01:36:35 am
..but I'm always a foolish dem optimist

man of course the one I win didn't have any prizes



I sent your record package weeks ago..hope it doesn’t get lost


But look on the bright side: you will get another stimulus check
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:36:44 am
So 2020 GA GE Total votes   4,999,960 (man, they couldn't just find 41 votes to break 5 mil)
what are we thinking SE 2021 turnout is like

I'd say we GTfuckingVO! and everyone is giving Stacy a pat on the back, who would have predicted almost everything would hang on the dems winning GA for both the pres and 2 senate seats

ridiculously high turnout today: 4.4 million votes! That’s twice as many as any other runoff in Georgia history, and even higher than the 2016 general election!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:40:23 am
I sent your record package weeks ago..hope it doesn’t get lost
it just came the other day and I meant to thank you
Nice with the Ben Andrews and a Ductch London Calling!
(actually, it was 7 for 7 on the selection)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2021, 08:43:10 am
Hot damn. Time to go for the jugular and see if Murkowski or Collins will cross the aisle and Manchin proof this majority.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 08:56:57 am
I think the senate should reconsider picking shumer
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2021, 09:28:11 am
it's so cute that he who will be perp walked through the streets of NYC, thinks 1000s of roided up cosplaying doofuses are to be paid attention as a significant protest... when 100,000s showed up the day after his election to protest it..

i will also be glad when the era of attempting to govern based on bright shiny objects end... i.e North Korea, Anonymous in NYT and Loyalty oaths, TikTok, Section 230, etc. etc, etc...

and counting down the days of not seeing lincoln project blowhards being retweeted...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2021, 09:29:43 am
Love seeing these loser proud boys getting fucked up on the streets.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2021, 09:58:04 am
Love seeing these loser proud boys getting fucked up on the streets.

yeah as will sommer pointed out one of their central theory is they could easily overrun the DC police and take over the capital... only to get beat down by a few dozen cops, who of course weren't using tear gas and rubbers bullets...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 10:21:54 am
it still doesn't seem real yet...
We've got some shenanigans today too...

But my work is done, hutch is wrong, all my posting on the internet DID make the difference!
That's my story and I'm sticking with it

TikTok,
Oh and leave tikTok out of it, I can't handle what that will do to disrupt family harmony if that gets taken down
come on, with out them pranking trump's rally early on, who knows if Biden would have won


(https://64.media.tumblr.com/8e016bd6784e213590a6105e74f137e0/tumblr_mu01eywmq31rs8e09o1_500.gifv)
(https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/12/201502-HD-saber-for-wine-list.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2021, 11:29:38 am
I'm looking forward to the bumpy ride ahead for all those pushing election fraud nonsense...

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/detroit-asks-federal-judge-to-disbar-sidney-powell-lin-wood-and-the-kraken-team/

The city of Detroit has officially filed its motion seeking sanctions, including disbarment, for Sidney Powell and Lin Wood.

the motion from Detroit includes several lawyers from the Kraken team.

and lawsuits from Dominion forthcoming as well

my brother said he'd back any organization setup strictly to file lawsuits against he who wants to shut down TikTok and destroy harmony in the SideHatch household...  just keep them all tied up in court for the rest of their existence, i  could get on board with such an  idea.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 11:36:26 am
I sent your record package weeks ago..hope it doesn’t get lost
it just came the other day and I meant to thank you
Nice with the Ben Andrews and a Ductch London Calling!
(actually, it was 7 for 7 on the selection)


Good good... I tried to up my game cause it was a prize..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2021, 12:10:56 pm
Its really wild sitting here with the Dems having just pulled the Senate out of the fire and reflecting on how close Perdue came to getting to 50% in the regular election and that seat not going to a special election at all.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2021, 12:29:58 pm
Its really wild sitting here with the Dems having just pulled the Senate out of the fire and reflecting on how close Perdue came to getting to 50% in the regular election and that seat not going to a special election at all.

this potential 50/50 Senate split means Kamala will likely be one of the busiest VPs of recent history.. not that she would have ever treated the role as ceremonial
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 12:33:38 pm
I expect we will hear a lot from Harris in the next 4 years, not like Cheney tho
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 06, 2021, 12:37:03 pm
Harris/Ossoff 2024. Hottest ticket ever....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2021, 12:39:27 pm
Harris/Ossoff 2024. Hottest ticket ever....
Harrisossoff. Is there nothing Putin won't meddle with!?!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:07:51 pm
Harris/Ossoff 2024. Hottest ticket ever....
he'll be 37 in 2024...
Harris/Abrams is what I'm feeling

would be crazy to see all the Trump kids (tiff too of course) in the GOP primary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 01:14:29 pm
Here’s a crazy ticket for 2024:


Biden-Harris
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:16:21 pm
he said one term...I'm taking him at his word
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 01:17:12 pm
he said one term...I'm taking him at his word

When did he say that?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:19:11 pm
ok...you are right (god I hate saying that)
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
his aide said it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 01:24:24 pm
That was over a year ago!!! Not even sourced... total BS from before the primaries!!

Biden has never said that he would limit himself to one term.

It will depend on how it’s going and on his health...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:29:23 pm
It will depend on how it’s going and on his health...
it will, but he'll be 82 in 2024...
remember the big deal you made about RBG and Obama
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 01:30:17 pm
Merrick Garland as Attorney General



This makes me happy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 01:34:08 pm
so do you think he's going to investigate team trump?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 01:42:27 pm
I don’t expect major crimes to be ignored. I expect the law will be respected.

But I also believe political realities will have a say...

And there must be some sort of simpatico between Garland and Biden.. some sort of understanding about the approach Justice will take and the broad brushstrokes that will color that approach
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 02:16:06 pm
14 mins in cruz puts in his objection and gets a standing ovation from the Repulicatards
now we waste an hour and resume counting
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on January 06, 2021, 02:25:29 pm
Bearman back in a starring role...in the house.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 02:30:01 pm
Wait I missed Bearman!  was it right at the beginning?

BREAKING: Trump supporters have breached the Capitol building, tearing down 4 layers of security fencing and are attempting to occupy the building — fighting federal police who are overrun
video in tweet
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346881968819105792
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 02:32:58 pm
No wonder Bearman doesn’t have time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 02:34:58 pm
Wait I missed Bearman!  was it right at the beginning?

Nice! 26 mins in
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507663-1/joint-session-congress-counting-electoral-college-ballots&live&vod
I miss bearman, not like he has important things to do
still bitter he didn't list the 930board as what got him through the dark times ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on January 06, 2021, 02:35:45 pm
Wait I missed Bearman!  was it right at the beginning?

BREAKING: Trump supporters have breached the Capitol building, tearing down 4 layers of security fencing and are attempting to occupy the building — fighting federal police who are overrun
video in tweet
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346881968819105792

He read the objection once the chambers split up. He will read at least 5 of these I think.

I hope he stays safe. The Magas don't seem to respect law enforcement.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 02:41:10 pm
man, I can't belive the police are beating the shit out of these guys...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/trump-supporters-slam-barricades-at-the-capitol/2021/01/06/0eff3a1a-fcc6-4a3b-b3df-6aef0ba375ae_video.html

some crazy split screen shit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2021, 02:51:19 pm
in an attempt to lighten the mood, I can't find the tweet I originally saw on this.. it was along the lines of there is is always a tweet... but Ossoff once tweeted at Pitchfork

 
Jon Ossoff
@ossoff

 · Sep 4, 2012
Replying to @pitchfork
@pitchforkmedia Looking forward to your writeup of the new @imaginedragons album

Someone from Pitchfork responded back today

Jeremy D. Larson
@jeremydlarson
·
3h
Mr. Ossoff, sir, I am sorry we never wrote up the new Imagine Dragons album. This is hard to explain but during this era of the site, we thought it would "say more" about the album when we didn't review it? Does that make sense? Good luck with everything

https://twitter.com/jeremydlarson/status/1346840814383751168?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 06, 2021, 02:56:49 pm
you guys - did y'all watch any of trump's speech to the protestors?  it was an amazing mix of the classics and some new hits from his latest album, "Here's The Proof (Or So People Are Saying)."  DJ-T was spittin' BARS:

- "far secondarily" (when talking about the VA, he said that the point was to improve quality of care, "but far secondarily it also saved money") 
- "you know who is the unhappiest person today?  hillary!  she's saying why couldn't you do that for me, make up votes?  you don't hear from her much anymore, do you..."
- "are you a citizenship?"

best live show these days, i'm telling ya.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 03:00:50 pm
he knows how to give an audience what they want...and did exactly what he hoped...they went and stormed the Capitol Building
this is a disgrace
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 03:06:33 pm
So many disgraces I have trouble processing them...

There’s just nothing funny about Trump’s speeches inciting violence and disrespect for the rule of law....threatening lives..fascism

That joke isn’t funny anymore
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 03:12:56 pm
Security doors now closed at the Capitol
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 06, 2021, 03:16:12 pm
Tear gas!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 03:17:02 pm
Helicopter flying overhead here in Arlington....



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 06, 2021, 03:17:16 pm
after breaking through several layers of security, protestors are literally storming the Capitol.  they're on the steps forcing their way up, police are holding them back for now. 

all this in defense of a pile of democracy-crushing lies.  pure insanity.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 03:17:57 pm

Julia Wallace
@JKPreachersgirl
·
1m
They just rushed Pence out....trouble is brewing outside!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 03:20:52 pm
Cannon office building and Madison Library of Congress evacuated due to bomb threat


Helicopter flies back overhead


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 03:21:23 pm
Bearman is getting a lot of screen time!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 06, 2021, 03:23:53 pm
Protestors inside the building
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 03:26:45 pm
Third helicopter sighting

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 03:35:13 pm
6pm curfew in DC just announced by the mayor

These images are insane...

of course, Donny hasn't said a word
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 06, 2021, 03:35:27 pm
6PM curfew.  Most of you should be home, but hope every one gets home safely.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 03:43:24 pm
a white riot happening on capitol grounds and donny says
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!
This claim about election fraud is disputed
2:24 PM · Jan 6, 2021

He is stoking the fire


Ok a little bit latter we got a 'back the blue' tweet

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challenged on January 06, 2021, 03:48:36 pm
gunfire into the house chamber
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 03:51:14 pm
Ggeezzooos

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 03:53:34 pm
is Donny breaking out the violin as he watches it all burn
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2021, 03:53:54 pm
gunfire into the house chamber
Source? I'm watching and not seen/heard anything of this.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 06, 2021, 03:54:58 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/RDzt7c0/capitol-shots.png)

Pointing guns at chamber door with broken glass
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 03:57:32 pm
The lack of preparation is simply astonishing



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 03:59:02 pm
The lack of preparation is simply astonishing
yeah...I was surprised they could get in ...seems like it could have been somewhat easy to stop
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 04:03:05 pm
in the capitol with a confederate flag...sad day
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErEtODcXIAgxWXz?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 06, 2021, 04:04:26 pm
The lack of preparation is simply astonishing
yeah...I was surprised they could get in ...seems like it could have been somewhat easy to stop

the "protestors" are white and are "defending the constitution", AKA they have the backing of the police (state).  authorities tacitly supported them by giving them a lot more leeway than they ever gave other protestors (women's march, BLM, etc.).  wouldn't be surprised to hear that 1600 told the cops to go easy on them.  regardless, they clearly had no intention of stopping them.

now they've lost control and have no one to blame but themselves.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 04:07:47 pm
Bearman...We need some updates once you get to a safe place
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 06, 2021, 04:09:14 pm
Reports of a traitor sitting in Pence's chair
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 04:12:34 pm
Reports of a traitor sitting in Pence's chair
yeah...I just saw video of about 15 MAGAs just casually walking around the senate chamber with their flags
I mean these are 'shoot to kill' kind of moments

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErEvUXiUUAAzqF4?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2021, 04:14:45 pm
Reports of a traitor sitting in Pence's chair
I mean, footage on CNN.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 04:26:41 pm
Woman in critical condition after being shot in the chest on capitol grounds!

also just read
JUST IN - #Georgia and #Kansas capitol buildings have been stormed by protesters.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 04:35:19 pm
1600 has nothing to do with Capitol police


They were simply overrun and unprepared


Which is insane

We spent like hundred of millions (billions?) to beef up Capitol security after 9-11

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 06, 2021, 04:37:08 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/j4mF62X/trone.png) (https://twitter.com/RepDavidTrone/status/1346909364859277317)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 04:38:03 pm
I mean these aren’t elite Iranian military overrunning the Capitol but a bunch of fat butt ugly losers needing a shave
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: grateful on January 06, 2021, 04:39:23 pm
Kayleigh McEnany just deployed the National Guard
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 04:39:46 pm
Kayleigh McEnany@PressSec
At President @realDonaldTrump’s direction, the National Guard is on the way along with other federal protective services.



Eric Slater
@ericsslater
This has the look of an inside job. How else could this breach have happened so easily?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 06, 2021, 04:47:56 pm
This has the look of an inside job. How else could this breach have happened so easily?

implicit bias: they let it happen because they're all white.  everything was fine, until it wasn't and it was too late.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 04:50:14 pm
Failed state
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 05:40:09 pm
This has the look of an inside job. How else could this breach have happened so easily?

implicit bias: they let it happen because they're all white.  everything was fine, until it wasn't and it was too late.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520

Timothy Burke@bubbaprog
Cops are taking selfies with the terrorists.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 05:42:39 pm
seems like a million years ago, but the major news networks are calling it for Ossoff now...not last night at 10PM
Even thought Wasserman was right...still was too early to call it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 05:51:55 pm
Tried to overthrow the US Gov't and all I got is this lousy speaker podium
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/136084938_10158058605001094_5816506839341340202_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=OTS5I-4Si6AAX-bC35R&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=3179c1c69e83ce11a8942fb1246a678c&oe=601C3015)


Rep. Ilhan Omar says she is drawing up articles of impeachment.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 06, 2021, 05:57:59 pm
Remember 2017 when the Capitol Police arrested people in wheelchairs for laying on the floor? (https://patch.com/us/white-house/watch-capitol-cops-drag-disabled-trumpcare-protesters-wheelchairs-across-floor) 
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 06:07:18 pm
@cevansavenger
the police opened the fucking gates.
https://twitter.com/cevansavenger/status/1346920924310867968
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 06:36:14 pm
Ralph Northam@GovernorVA
At the request of
@AlexandriaVAGov and @ArlingtonVA , I am declaring a 6PM to 6AM curfew in these jurisdictions, with limited exceptions.

I am also issuing a State of Emergency in Virginia, so we can continue to respond.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 06:43:13 pm
seems like a million years ago, but the major news networks are calling it for Ossoff now...not last night at 10PM
Even thought Wasserman was right...still was too early to call it

Why is that?

This seems to be a big thing for you so please explain

Why do you think Biden picked Garland this morning? Was he wrong to call it early?

You know, the whole point of “calling it” is to do so by using information and reasoning  before every vote is counted..that’s why it’s called ‘“making a call” and not counting votes

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Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 07:13:02 pm
Well now my acupuncture appointment in DC tomorrow has been cancelled

Great just great
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 07:29:37 pm
Woman in critical condition after being shot in the chest on capitol grounds!

woman has died...no detail other than she was shot on capitol grounds


Jez only 13...I posted at least 13 photos
Officials said at least 13 people were arrested, and five firearms had been recovered during the pro-Trump protests.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2021, 08:01:49 pm
The dude in the beanie with the podium prompted this exchange on Twitter

Badly Drawn Boy with his 2000 Mercury Prize.
 
Badly Drawn Boy

 I don’t remember this. I’d had a few drinks 🍺


https://twitter.com/badly_drawn_boy/status/1346944080064876544?s=21

Also the dude with the horns has been identified several times as Jamiroquai

UK is bringing the lolz...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 08:35:07 pm
Did Trump just get blocked
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFskVaVEAEvTL2?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 08:38:05 pm
For 12 hours I heard
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2021, 08:39:07 pm
They’re threatening a full ban if he starts back up after his timeout.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 09:53:41 pm
Exactly right

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1346993209554169859?s=20
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Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 09:54:54 pm
Facebook blocking Trump 24 hours
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Post by: Space Freely on January 06, 2021, 10:27:28 pm
Why wasn't the National Guard deployed *before* this happened? My 80 year old mom has been telling me there was going to be violence in he name of her savior for months.
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Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 10:29:03 pm
Why would the person encouraging an insurrection deploy the national guard to prevent the insurrection?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 06, 2021, 10:43:26 pm
Why would the person encouraging an insurrection deploy the national guard to prevent the insurrection?

They wouldn't.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 10:48:42 pm
this for Jules
Bunkie Perkins@BunkiePerkins
Tommy Tuberville gets sworn in and the Capitol’s defense immediately falls apart.
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2021, 11:03:44 pm
Why would the person encouraging an insurrection deploy the national guard to prevent the insurrection?

They wouldn't.
NYT was reporting Pence authorized the DC NG not Trump, no?
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2021, 11:04:04 pm
this for Jules
Bunkie Perkins@BunkiePerkins
Tommy Tuberville gets sworn in and the Capitol’s defense immediately falls apart.

Tweet of the Day
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2021, 11:14:59 pm
What a fuckin 24 hours
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/4ca2b3f282027a05edda655054eac37c/tenor.gif?itemid=4958773)
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2021, 12:00:45 am
Bearman dead center for the last 30 mins on CNN
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2021, 12:16:18 am
DC Mayor Muriel Bowser is extending the public emergency to 15 days, until the day after President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 12:28:45 am
Only 15 days?
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 07, 2021, 08:34:07 am
Hawley will be ever present on the conservative "news" networks for the next four years, he will be the poster boy standing up against any "socialist" program put forth.  because dammit poor white rural americans have the right not to have their lives made better by social programs... unless of course they are farm subsidies but details...  and ain't no one coming to take away their backwards stuck in the past way of life.
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Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 08:40:51 am
Hawley will be ever present on the conservative "news" networks for the next four years, he will be the poster boy standing up against any "socialist" program put forth.  because dammit poor white rural americans have the right not to have their lives made better by social programs... unless of course they are farm subsidies but details...  and ain't no one coming to take away their backwards stuck in the past way of life.

He needs to be expelled from the Senate.
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Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 08:41:40 am
Why am I waking up and the monster is still president? Why hasn't he been removed and arrested yet?
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 07, 2021, 08:55:43 am
Hawley will be ever present on the conservative "news" networks for the next four years, he will be the poster boy standing up against any "socialist" program put forth.  because dammit poor white rural americans have the right not to have their lives made better by social programs... unless of course they are farm subsidies but details...  and ain't no one coming to take away their backwards stuck in the past way of life.

He needs to be expelled from the Senate.

i would agree, but this would make him a martyr and they do a love a martyr on the right..
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 07, 2021, 09:07:09 am
Anyone catch of the name of the Rep who dropped the F-Bomb on twitter yesterday?  I think he was from Arizona as Dems need more no BS folks front and center like them and  Fetterman.

Also, I was impressed by what I heard from Ruben Gallego both on MSNBC and what he said on the floor last night
 
concludes his speech by imploring Republicans to "stop the terrorism that is happening in the White House."

and talk about taking both sides, this one is Louis Gormet level crazy

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErHW2AQVEAIWX5M?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErHW2O6VEAAve6F?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1347093993612480515?s=20
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Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 09:54:50 am
Who knew it was acceptable to call for the assassination on the vice president on social media?

https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1347050705110986753%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dcurbanmom.com%2Fjforum%2Fposts%2Flist%2F15%2F939495.page
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 10:29:26 am
I must confess I did not know that but I never been on parler
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2021, 10:38:56 am
I must confess I did not know that but I never been on parler
me neither...but follow @parlertakes on twitter and you get some insight
it's crazy towns

Lin is absolutely bonkers and I'm surprised that Trump hasn't put a hit on him at this point
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Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 10:53:37 am
I must confess I did not know that but I never been on parler
me neither...but follow @parlertakes on twitter and you get some insight
it's crazy towns

Lin is absolutely bonkers and I'm surprised that Trump hasn't put a hit on him at this point

What do you mean by "a hit?"
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 07, 2021, 11:24:16 am
Yesterday/this early morning is possibly the maddest I've ever been at people on the other side of the aisle. Josh Hawley can eat a fucking stick of dynamite.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 11:48:22 am
Yesterday/this early morning is possibly the maddest I've ever been at people on the other side of the aisle. Josh Hawley can eat a fucking stick of dynamite.

The White House has this response for you.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1347204125579161601/photo/1
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Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 07, 2021, 11:50:47 am
Yesterday/this early morning is possibly the maddest I've ever been at people on the other side of the aisle. Josh Hawley can eat a fucking stick of dynamite.

The White House has this response for you.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1347204125579161601/photo/1
Oh, well, color me assuaged.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on January 07, 2021, 11:58:55 am
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJv8gaUhjOj/?igshid=1nyhzo8j7ra5n
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 12:01:27 pm
I call barbarian “Jamiroquai”!

These people all must go to jail for at least a year.
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Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 12:02:56 pm
I just hope this debacle represents the breaking of the fever..the equivalent of the McCarthy hearings “have you no decency sir?” moment
But it’s not looking that way

At all
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Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 12:11:57 pm
Twitter post from December 21.

https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1341016471795843080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1341016471795843080%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dcurbanmom.com%2Fjforum%2Fposts%2Flist%2F885%2F939347.page
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 12:12:51 pm
I just hope this debacle represents the breaking of the fever..the equivalent of the McCarthy hearings “have you no decency sir?” moment
But it’s not looking that way

At all

These people view this as their revolution. There  will be no breaking of a fever.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 12:17:51 pm
Understood but we need to peel off reasonable Americans and turn these would be and actual terrorists into fringe
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Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 12:26:10 pm
There’s just so much to unpack

I am honestly just trying to process what happened
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 07, 2021, 12:39:36 pm
Jamiroquai
@JamiroquaiHQ

Good Morning Washington, loving the headgear, but not sure that's my crowd. Stay safe everyone, J xxx

https://twitter.com/JamiroquaiHQ/status/1347166475388395521?s=20
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on January 07, 2021, 12:56:44 pm
Biden Wins!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 07, 2021, 01:05:15 pm
Biden Wins!!
Have to admit: Trump was right. I'm getting a little tired of all the winning.
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Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 01:06:18 pm
This Trump guy brought zip ties into the Congressional Chamber.

They were planning to take hostages

https://twitter.com/Tara_Writer/status/1346983435026395136

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Post by: vansmack on January 07, 2021, 01:39:58 pm
(https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/NMyNrNn6fzoE4YAx3eYaESYYyji6bwkJa7WT6RbhePbf8cYOAmnrYA5-sONj_Qf95psx8jcdMXFodtClDG5Fec_Fpd9Ph7zI8qI25aOYlwtOerhftI0GFFJfGMONSxoEMFPl0atMafRFzqHTrJWUtqPXcA=s0-d-e1-ft#http://image.e.economist.com/lib/fe8d13727c650c7976/m/3/d48ed1b3-0aeb-463d-81c0-5606c0284b0c.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2021, 01:52:15 pm
I must confess I did not know that but I never been on parler
@parlertakes
Parler is an ocean of MAGA tears and white whine today.


Also nice burn Rep. bass
https://twitter.com/RepKarenBass/status/1347190699763134468
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 03:02:19 pm
45% Republicans support storming of Capitol Hill, 69% don’t blame Trump, polls show great political divide: Details

https://www.opindia.com/2021/01/45-per-cent-republicans-support-storming-of-capitol-hill-yougov-polls/

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 10:39:23 pm
What do you guys think of this theory?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 10:51:51 pm
I am starting to buy it a little

I believe he wouldn’t authorize help for the Capitol and

Wouldn’t approve national guard deployment cause he may have wanted the rabble to take over and prevent vote

I believe for example the helicopter overflying Arlington was waiting for authorization to go in to DC and finally it came through via Pence

St that point I also heard at least three caravans of police/undercover etc heading into dC fast on 66


I guess what I am saying is there was a noticeable delay in response and that coupled with Governor Hogans statement there was a delay in getting approval for national guard units makes me think it was intentional


I hope that makes some sense

Of course all coupled with fact Capitol police did nothing..it’s hard to understand

Anyone who has been around Capitol knows it’s a no bullshit zone

How many people where in this mob? That many that they couldn’t even try to restrain the rioters? Something is fishy

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 11:44:12 pm
This corroborates. (?)

https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1347364591521701890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1347374738369175553%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dcurbanmom.com%2Fjforum%2Fposts%2Flist%2F939750.page
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 11:55:26 pm
It’s certainly a big question worth pondering

If it was indeed a coup and Pence, Mitch, Pelosi, etc know it was a coup they really need to get this guy out of there and it’s discouraging that it hasn’t happened

Or maybe it wasn’t

But I do think there are some suspicious elements
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 12:04:28 am
Have you seen the video on Trump's Twitter? Seems like they had the gun to his head. Or maybe they made a deal to not 25th him in exchange for cooperation.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 12:05:18 am
Either way Pence, Mitch and Pelosi know they could have been killed yesterday....


That’s got to be all sorts of messed up

I have not watched the video
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 12:09:20 am
By either way I mean either through a coup or Trump turning his mob loose on them...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 12:14:14 am
I couldn't even listen for 2 seconds, guess the ban is off...fuck, I really don't want to hear his commentary on ANYTHING

this is related to the scary shit you guys just posted
https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1347369974860554244

Pentagon leaders installed as part of Trump purge last month blocked DC National Guard from getting riot gear and ammunition as protesters descended on Capitol.
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Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 12:17:30 am
I just watched it..it’s a weird message...so conciliatory and accepting


Trump has many times given different messages at different times on the same issue

We will see...if he stops tweeting and saying crazy stuff we will have to wonder why...
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Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 12:28:55 am
I just watched it..it’s a weird message...so conciliatory and accepting
ok I forced myself through the 2 mins
teleprompter trump

I almost thought for a second he was going to concede, but I think peoples heads would have exploed
He said all the right things, but the source isn't credible

This line kinda shocked me though, I don't think I would have expected him to even say this much
Now, Congress has certified the results. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth orderly and seamless transition of power.


full text here (https://www.newsweek.com/full-text-speech-which-donald-trump-finally-concedes-election-biden-1559880)

I should probably get some sleep tonight...been a fucking crazy 24 hours
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Post by: sweetcell on January 08, 2021, 01:48:47 am
I almost thought for a second he was going to concede, but I think peoples heads would have exploed

that was absolutely a concession speech.  a trumpworld version thereof, but definitely a concession.  there was no talk of "continuing the fight", he said that he tried in court and it didn't work, a new prez will be inaugurated on 1/20 and his focus will be on a peaceful transition.  it's two months too late, but here we are.

the message finally got through to him: you done fucked up bigly, donnie, and if you don't right this ship ASAP what little you have left will go down in flames.  i'm sure the white house knew about the capitol police officer that was on life support (and eventually died)... i'm wondering if that influenced him/those around him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 08:54:43 am
I almost thought for a second he was going to concede, but I think peoples heads would have exploed

that was absolutely a concession speech.  a trumpworld version thereof, but definitely a concession.  there was no talk of "continuing the fight", he said that he tried in court and it didn't work, a new prez will be inaugurated on 1/20 and his focus will be on a peaceful transition.  it's two months too late, but here we are.

the message finally got through to him: you done fucked up bigly, donnie, and if you don't right this ship ASAP what little you have left will go down in flames.  i'm sure the white house knew about the capitol police officer that was on life support (and eventually died)... i'm wondering if that influenced him/those around him.

He was reading a speech written by someone else and adding no Trump ad libs. I think  if any message got through to him, it's that he's in deep legal shit and he's trying to save his ass. I also think there's a good chance the speech was forced/coerced, and drugging him was involved. I also think many of his worshippers will agree with me.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 09:00:45 am
https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-trump-capitol-attack-belief-precursor-the-storm-2021-1

QAnon supporters believed marching on the Capitol could trigger 'The Storm,' an event where they hope Trump's foes will be punished in mass executions
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 10:16:14 am
A SCOTUS's wife is a Qnutjob
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdPc1laWAAA9EBA?format=jpg&name=medium)

Ginni Thomas also led a campaign to identify and oust federal employees whom she deemed disloyal to Trump. She met with the president at the White House to provide him with a list of names she compil
ed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 10:29:53 am
Damn, that's a lot of bacon
Dominion sues Sidney Powell for defamation, seeking $1.3 billion in damages
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 10:30:01 am
"One of the nutjobs who was at the insurrection and is championing it on Facebook is a Virginia State Senator who is running for governor.

https://www.facebook.com/Chase4Senate/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 10:51:46 am
Oh this is good...
Bill Kristol@BillKristol
Here--not that anyone asked!--is Casablanca as a (gender-neutral) guide to key members of Congress over the next week:

Mitt Romney: Victor Laszlo
Liz Cheney: Rick Blaine
Ben Sasse: Yvonne
Mitch McConnell: Captain Louis Renault
Josh Hawley: Major Strasser
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 11:06:02 am
didn't take long for the dick to come back and start to foment more tension

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!


We will DEFINITELY disrespect them, you can count on that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 08, 2021, 11:11:01 am
"One of the nutjobs who was at the insurrection and is championing it on Facebook is a Virginia State Senator who is running for governor.

https://www.facebook.com/Chase4Senate/
She is in the District just south of Richmond so I miss nothing she does and I can assure everyone: she is the absolute fucking worst human being in the Commonwealth of Virginia. An absolutely deranged monster.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 11:53:48 am
"One of the nutjobs who was at the insurrection and is championing it on Facebook is a Virginia State Senator who is running for governor.

https://www.facebook.com/Chase4Senate/
She is in the District just south of Richmond so I miss nothing she does and I can assure everyone: she is the absolute fucking worst human being in the Commonwealth of Virginia. An absolutely deranged monster.

Worse than anyone affiliated with Liberty University? Who am I to argue? I will pass along this petition to expel her. Apparently, my idea wasn't original.

https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/expel-amanda-chase-from-virginia-senate?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1610118792&utm_campaign&utm_source=facebook&share=f18e5350-9c05-4386-b64c-58239d82cfb6&fbclid=IwAR2SfreSzKpB2Yj6ZsJLgCDtBL1AefVfhZUiycpfs4e1PtfdiKEas61jq-I
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 12:00:01 pm
wow...good news!

The President has officially announced he will not attend the inauguration of President-Elect Joe Biden on January 20th.

just like his favorite Andy J did
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 08, 2021, 12:06:53 pm
i realize protocol dictates the creation of 2022 thread for this, but to lazy to do so...

But everyone's favorite Deputy Governor of PA is beginning to fundraise for a possible PA senate run
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 12:19:39 pm
i realize protocol dictates the creation of 2022 thread for this, but to lazy to do so...

But everyone's favorite Deputy Governor of PA is beginning to fundraise for a possible PA senate run
ahem  Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 08, 2021, 12:29:16 pm
"One of the nutjobs who was at the insurrection and is championing it on Facebook is a Virginia State Senator who is running for governor.

https://www.facebook.com/Chase4Senate/
She is in the District just south of Richmond so I miss nothing she does and I can assure everyone: she is the absolute fucking worst human being in the Commonwealth of Virginia. An absolutely deranged monster.

Worse than anyone affiliated with Liberty University? Who am I to argue? I will pass along this petition to expel her. Apparently, my idea wasn't original.

https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/expel-amanda-chase-from-virginia-senate?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1610118792&utm_campaign&utm_source=facebook&share=f18e5350-9c05-4386-b64c-58239d82cfb6&fbclid=IwAR2SfreSzKpB2Yj6ZsJLgCDtBL1AefVfhZUiycpfs4e1PtfdiKEas61jq-I
No one detests Liberty more than me -- eat a dick, Hugh Freeze -- but this woman is pure insanity and is surrounded by Proud Boys with assault rifles everywhere she goes. She is legitimately dangerous.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 12:37:43 pm
wow...good news!

The President has officially announced he will not attend the inauguration of President-Elect Joe Biden on January 20th.

just like his favorite Andy J did

He knows he needs to be physically far away from the next domestic terrorist event. January 6, unfortunately, won't be the first and last domestic terror event in DC. I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 12:57:59 pm
in more good news:
PELOSI: “This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 01:42:03 pm
2021 is looking exactly like 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 03:40:08 pm
2021 is looking exactly like 2020
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErO9F3-W8AAxUe5?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 03:47:41 pm
Lindsay Graham encounters some very nice folks at the airport.

https://twitter.com/iheartmindy/status/1347616155394043904

Mitt Romney encounters a very nice folk at the airport.

https://thehill.com/homenews/532847-romney-heckled-by-trump-supporters-on-flight-to-dc
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 04:17:14 pm
https://twitter.com/ccaryl/status/1347625731992526848


The list of arrestees so far is illuminating: Insurance company lawyer. Real-estate broker. Marketing co. CEO. Not exactly the “forgotten people” of legend


https://twitter.com/Skel531/status/1347632638614528005

Partial list of those admitting to taking part.

Biggest threat frm 3 grps in caps.

OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS flashed badges
ACTIVE MILITARY flashed creds
FEDERAL EMPLOYEES
State legislators
Mayors
Attorneys
CEOs
Schl Teachers
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 05:13:51 pm

OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS flashed badges
ACTIVE MILITARY flashed creds
Yeah, just heard about this today...fucking unbelievable

apparently, every single one had a cell phone on them. 
my understanding that that may be enough to arrest them (with the data points showing them physically in the capitol)...and these guys will turn each other in during interrogation
I think they should send some of the leaders to GITMO
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 06:04:15 pm
Many
Are
Getting
Arrested

I guess Smakie won't be able to parley anymore
Apple threatens to kick parler off of App Store unless less they ban certain individuals
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2021, 10:08:18 am
Only 1 Scaramucci until Biden is sworn in
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 09, 2021, 12:20:33 pm
This is exactly what my wife sounds like when i do something egregious like putting silverware back in the wrong place in the silverware drawer. Except my wife is more talented, she can keep a rant going for five or more minutes, and you better not interrupt the "conversation" while she's still "talking."

https://youtu.be/WAagzwG9GSo
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 09, 2021, 12:38:05 pm
Gosh I just don’t like her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 09, 2021, 01:00:17 pm
Gosh I just don’t like her
Were you on here back in the halcyon days of this community when she was also a regular poster?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 09, 2021, 01:02:46 pm
I meant the woman in the video


But no I was not here..
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 09, 2021, 01:03:37 pm
Wait that wasn’t “Celeste” in the video, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 09, 2021, 01:09:20 pm
I meant the woman in the video


But no I was not here..
Oh, I totally misread your comment.

Wait that wasn’t “Celeste” in the video, right?

I mean, who is to say?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2021, 07:53:10 pm
ok it seemed like it was not going to get scarier and there were a few days of non-insanity.
But looks like the insanity may be coming home to small towns all across the US.

I am really concerned that this 10 day count down is going to be Joker level insanity


GOP head from Nye County (a part of death valley is in it)...look at #3...WTAF!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErU_Y0BUcAIMvwk?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2021, 08:09:03 pm
A SCOTUS's wife is a Qnutjob
So is it crazy to float the idea that Thomas is 'compromised' and being married to a seditionist...well kinda makes ya unfit to work at the SCOTUS?
Then of course biden get's a pick quick

Is that stretch, does it sound like I'm talking about lizard people, because it kinda tracks in my head?
is it to craven?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 09, 2021, 08:55:30 pm
Replace qanon with al qaeda and ask again


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2021, 12:52:52 pm
Capitol Police Officer whose father was an associate of Paul Manafort kills himself within 72 hours of the coup. Suspicious sounding, or does my imagination run wild too easily?

https://twitter.com/Ynotgreencards/status/1348300452992069632
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 12, 2021, 02:10:02 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/138399763_10158698747220071_1215350180541518641_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=o-i89quNpukAX_9kQNn&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=ac665389581a89faa5b43bbcdb41c27d&oe=602268C8)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 15, 2021, 02:57:31 pm
The Associated Press@AP
AP sources: Vice President Mike Pence calls Vice President-elect Kamala Harris to congratulate her,

@SethAbramson
70+ days after the election.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 15, 2021, 06:40:32 pm
MyPillowGuy is apparently running the country. Includes notes on declaring martial law.


https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1350186100564905985
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 15, 2021, 07:06:30 pm
It’s really unbelievable

Yet you know most Republicans are fine with it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 15, 2021, 11:27:20 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er0S5GVWMAAqdxC?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 18, 2021, 02:30:34 pm
Hey I love Ingrid Bergman, but not sure she should be in the "National Garden of American Heroes." (https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1351223951817633793)
She was a Swede and Alex Trebeck a Canadian?!

Jez John Wayne!
Just scanned this list...but looks like he did a search for 'famous people'

far as I can tell...no confederate soldiers on the list at least
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 18, 2021, 03:22:07 pm
Don't they know that Woody Guthrie was a Socialist?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 18, 2021, 04:41:02 pm
Don't they know that Woody Guthrie was a Socialist?
That is funny, my understanding is Woody even wrote a song about Fred Trump...and not in a positive light
Eliza Kazan too

Didn't see Obama or Clinton on there, but Regan, JFK, FDR, Teddy, and DDE

Not the worst list of artists and civil rights activists ...just odd, because you know trump didn't pick these
thank god Kid Rock and Sarah Palin didn't make the cut
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 18, 2021, 08:59:23 pm
Historian Twitter is currently losing their minds over the 1776 report which is basically racist and poorly written
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 27, 2021, 10:01:17 am
Not sure where to put this, maybe we need a "Meanwhile in the great State of" thread

but did anyone here, possibly me, predict that Rudy "Looking for cool 1.5 Billion in the couch" G's star dingbat witness in Michigan would eventually run for public office.. well of course she is..  Guess it's only a matter of time for the other Michigan Patriot who almost derailed the count in Wayne County to announce a candidacy as well

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/535941-giuliani-election-witness-who-testified-at-michigan-hearing-says-shes
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: hutch on January 27, 2021, 10:11:27 am
We totally predicted this a few weeks ago!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 27, 2021, 10:27:30 am
I will say, as a person who works in the IT industry, I keep getting annoyed they call her an IT worker
She cleaned the screens of the voting machines and she wasn't even good a that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: methylene blue-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 22, 2022, 05:47:01 pm
There go Andrew Gillum's chances at...well whatever it was he still had a chance at.
andrew is getting ready to go through some things unrelated to his meth sex party
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 22, 2022, 06:13:37 pm
There go Andrew Gillum's chances at...well whatever it was he still had a chance at.
andrew is getting ready to go through some things unrelated to his meth sex party

Do you think he will be a top or a bottom in prison?