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Title: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 07, 2018, 11:45:25 am
Ok...midterms have terminated

early contenders for Dem Nomination?

Beto
Cory Booker
Gavin Newsom
Al Franken?!

No longer contenders
Hil
Bernie
Liz Warren
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on November 07, 2018, 12:06:42 pm
Gavin Newsom will wait until 2024.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on November 07, 2018, 12:28:28 pm
Bloomberg.  Because America is ready for a short Jewish president!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on November 09, 2018, 04:00:53 pm
These are the 33 Senate seats up for election in 2020. 

20 (likely 21) of the 33 are Republican held seats.

Alabama   Doug Jones   Democratic   
Alaska   Dan Sullivan   Republican
Arkansas   Tom Cotton   Republican
Colorado   Cory Gardner   Republican
Delaware   Chris Coons   Democratic
Georgia   David Perdue   Republican
Idaho   Jim Risch   Republican
Illinois   Dick Durbin   Democratic
Iowa   Joni Ernst   Republican
Kansas   Pat Roberts   Republican
Kentucky   Mitch McConnell   Republican
Louisiana   Bill Cassidy   Republican   
Maine   Susan Collins   Republican   
Massachusetts   Ed Markey   Democratic   
Michigan   Gary Peters   Democratic   
Minnesota   Tina Smith   Democratic
Mississippi   TBD    (2018 Special Election)
Montana   Steve Daines   Republican
Nebraska    Ben Sasse   Republican
New Hampshire   Jeanne Shaheen  Democratic
New Jersey   Cory Booker   Democratic
New Mexico   Tom Udall   Democratic
North Carolina   Thom Tillis   Republican
Oklahoma   Jim Inhofe   Republican
Oregon   Jeff Merkley   Democratic   
Rhode Island   Jack Reed   Democratic
South Carolina   Lindsey Graham   Republican
South Dakota   Mike Rounds   Republican
Tennessee   Lamar Alexander   Republican
Texas   John Cornyn   Republican
Virginia   Mark Warner   Democratic   
West Virginia   Shelley Moore Capito   Republican
Wyoming   Mike Enzi   Republican   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on November 09, 2018, 04:05:30 pm
Elections will have been suspended by then. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on November 09, 2018, 04:10:52 pm
Elections will have been suspended by then. 

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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2018, 07:12:00 pm
These are the 33 Senate seats up for election in 2020. 

20 (likely 21) of the 33 are Republican held seats.

Alabama   Doug Jones   Democratic   
Alaska   Dan Sullivan   Republican
Arkansas   Tom Cotton   Republican
Colorado   Cory Gardner   Republican
Delaware   Chris Coons   Democratic
Georgia   David Perdue   Republican
Idaho   Jim Risch   Republican
Illinois   Dick Durbin   Democratic
Iowa   Joni Ernst   Republican
Kansas   Pat Roberts   Republican
Kentucky   Mitch McConnell   Republican
Louisiana   Bill Cassidy   Republican   
Maine   Susan Collins   Republican   
Massachusetts   Ed Markey   Democratic   
Michigan   Gary Peters   Democratic   
Minnesota   Tina Smith   Democratic
Mississippi   TBD    (2018 Special Election)
Montana   Steve Daines   Republican
Nebraska    Ben Sasse   Republican
New Hampshire   Jeanne Shaheen  Democratic
New Jersey   Cory Booker   Democratic
New Mexico   Tom Udall   Democratic
North Carolina   Thom Tillis   Republican
Oklahoma   Jim Inhofe   Republican
Oregon   Jeff Merkley   Democratic   
Rhode Island   Jack Reed   Democratic
South Carolina   Lindsey Graham   Republican
South Dakota   Mike Rounds   Republican
Tennessee   Lamar Alexander   Republican
Texas   John Cornyn   Republican
Virginia   Mark Warner   Democratic   
West Virginia   Shelley Moore Capito   Republican
Wyoming   Mike Enzi   Republican   


The Senate is a huge problem for Democrats
And it’s not going to get better soon.
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18072464/senate-midterm-election-results-democrats-disadvantage (https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18072464/senate-midterm-election-results-democrats-disadvantage)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 09, 2018, 08:41:03 pm
Trump's 2020 campaign manager looks like a douchey bro who would be vaping while standing in line for beer.
(https://goo.gl/images/u62T2z)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 09, 2018, 08:44:26 pm
Ok...midterms have terminated

early contenders for Dem Nomination?

Beto
Cory Booker
Gavin Newsom
Al Franken?!

No longer contenders
Hil
Bernie
Liz Warren

Do you really think Al Franken is more likely than Warren or Bernie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on November 10, 2018, 12:45:49 am
1. Biden
2. Kamala
2. Sanders



Franken much as I live him is done
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 10, 2018, 02:59:17 pm
I like Steve Bullock, Amy Klobuchar, and Beto.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on November 10, 2018, 04:11:58 pm
Oh I was not saying who I like


I will decide during primaries...willing to give kamala Harris a good look
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 10, 2018, 04:35:49 pm
I like Kamala, but I like her in the Senate. I just don't think POC+Progressive Wing+California=Winning General Electon Ticket
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on November 10, 2018, 04:38:33 pm
Already auditioning for that role is an eclectic group of ambitious Democrats, including three senators who appear all but certain to run: Kamala Harris of California, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Cory Booker of New Jersey. All three have moved well past the point of simply weighing a candidacy, and are assembling the infrastructure for a campaign as they prepare to make their final decisions.

Two potentially formidable entrants, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and Mayor Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles acknowledged this week that they are considering campaigns. And Gov. Steve Bullock of Montana was in New York in the days after the election meeting with wealthy party donors, introducing himself as a dark horse from a red state with the ability to reach out to rural America.

Democrats Have Two Paths for 2020: Daring or Defensive. Can They Settle on Either? (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/us/politics/democrats-2020-president.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on November 10, 2018, 05:37:44 pm
I will not support Gillibrand in any way

That I can tell you
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 12, 2018, 11:10:13 pm
Richard Ojeda (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/can-a-trump-voter-from-west-virginia-win-the-2020-democratic-primary/)
I do think voting for trump and people knowing
... seems like a bad way to start a bid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on November 15, 2018, 11:12:39 am
A Kamala/Sinema ticket would be the foxiest ticket ever.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on November 21, 2018, 04:30:06 pm
Beto O’Rourke blows up the 2020 Democratic primary (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/beto-orourke-2020-democratic-primary-995353?fbclid=IwAR2H9CWivtICuvnGiQVbLLmiZYmepSr12uSUnwd2ygOVr3ArhFBRgFE4K98)
freezing Democratic donors and potential campaign staffers in place as they await word of his plans.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on December 21, 2018, 02:11:48 pm
I'm not sure that the rope-a-dope technique on the democratic voter is the right approach

Democrats will hold 12 debates for the 2020 presidential contest
 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democrats-will-hold-12-debates-2020-presidential-contest-n950391)
Six debates will take place in 2019, DNC Chairman Tom Perez said, and six in 2020

jez Democratic front-runners for 2020? There are 31 -Chris Cillizza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdbd6nBzGH0)
John Kerry is thinking about it !?!

Sexy Veagan (https://theoutline.com/post/4434/allow-us-to-introduce-the-next-president-of-the-united-states-sexy-vegan?zd=1&zi=mm6qgiy7) should really pick Deez nuts as his running mate

oh man missed this news at the time....
The Federal Election Commission Is Cracking Down on Deez Nuts and Dat A$$ (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a47854/federal-election-commission-deez-nuts/)
Say goodbye to your favorite fake presidential candidates.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on December 21, 2018, 04:37:15 pm
Pelosi, bitch . . . Pelosi.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on December 31, 2018, 12:44:37 pm
 Elizabeth Warren made it official
well announced an exploratory committee...but kind of the same thing

although just saw this Most voters will likely be surprised to learn she’s only eight years younger than Sanders.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 31, 2018, 12:48:00 pm
Awful potential candidate. Would get crushed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on December 31, 2018, 01:01:10 pm
Potentially our first Native American president.  How exciting!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2018, 01:02:30 pm
My wife asked her dad why he voted for Trump.

Answer:

Because the Republicans are useless and the Democrats represent everything I am against. And Trump seemed like the best hope against them both.

Who is the candidate who will woo him? Or should we just hope for him to die?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on December 31, 2018, 01:34:02 pm
Well wether to woo or not depends on wether a person is wooable but anyone who says democrats represent everything they are against is hopeless at this point...democrats are going to move left during the primaries...

I kind of have come to conclude that the whole appeal to undecideds or independents theory is bullshit...,excite your base...get them out and convert more people to your ideas NOT act wushu washy and water down your stances to appeal to a person who despises everything about your party thus alienating your base and making sure they don’t turn out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on December 31, 2018, 01:41:50 pm
Warren would lose but that does not mean she should not run


I say let them all run...the more the better...

I don’t get people who get annoyed when people they think would not make a good candidate choose to run for President


I think Warren has no shot but maybe she will bring some good ideas to the table and someone else can choose to adopt them...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2018, 02:14:35 pm
Well wether to woo or not depends on wether a person is wooable but anyone who says democrats represent everything they are against is hopeless at this point...democrats are going to move left during the primaries...

I kind of have come to conclude that the whole appeal to undecideds or independents theory is bullshit...,excite your base...get them out and convert more people to your ideas NOT act wushu washy and water down your stances to appeal to a person who despises everything about your party thus alienating your base and making sure they don’t turn out

He's a devout Catholic who does daily bible readings. By "everything I'm against" I'm sure he means "Democrats want to kill "babies.""

Because other than the abortion issue, it seems to me that the Democratic party is much more in line with Jesus' teachings than the Republican party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on December 31, 2018, 02:18:57 pm
I'm going to be a contrarian on this thread, but I totally disagree that she would get crushed and has no chance
She's not my top pick for sure, but I think she does inspire the base and the youth vote and as Hutch said, she might bring some good issues to the forefront that another candidate will say "that's not a bad idea and people seem to like it...thanks liz"

still pissed off at her for giving in to Trump and making her DNA test public...that was a stupid move and may show that she's not fit to run against trump
..evidenced by
Potentially our first Native American president.  How exciting!

of course Trump re-neged on his offer to donate to charity too (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/411414-trump-denies-offering-1-million-for-warren-dna-test-even-though-he) Trump on Elizabeth Warren, 7/5/2018: "I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian."

but it's not like his base (or the whole freakin elected GOP) cares if he keeps to his word or ever tells the truth
I think it's really sad that 1/3 of the country really doesn't care if the president actually tells the truth on a regular basis?!
ends justifies the means...we get our judges and tax breaks...who cares about the rest of that other stuff it's just noize from the fake news liberal media
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on December 31, 2018, 02:46:35 pm
Well then there is no point trying to woo him as the democrats see being pro choice as a key part of their platform and that ain’t going to change

Personally I am pro life for MYSELF but since I can’t have babies by myself it matters not a whit...but I just don’t feel comfortable telling someone else what to do on this

I do think the democrats overdo it though...can’t we be pro choice and at the same time do more to encourage people not to abort?!? Is that so wrong?!? Can’t we accept abortion is a bad outcome?

I wish so hard we had not miscarried what would have been my third kid...now we are too old and I have accepted I will not have more kids...but boy did I want that one...life is precious and babies are such a blessing that even though I am pro choice I will always have trouble with abortion...millions of babies never born...it’s crazy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on December 31, 2018, 02:53:50 pm
man, with your stance on Immigration coupled with your statement below...you might have to turn in your democrat card

I do agree we've created a situation where Democrats can't talk about either of these topics unless it's exactly on the party line
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2018, 02:56:56 pm
Well then there is no point trying to woo him as the democrats see being pro choice as a key part of their platform and that ain’t going to change

Personally I am pro life for MYSELF but since I can’t have babies by myself it matters not a whit...but I just don’t feel comfortable telling someone else what to do on this

I do think the democrats overdo it though...can’t we be pro choice and at the same time do more to encourage people not to abort?!? Is that so wrong?!? Can’t we accept abortion is a bad outcome?

I wish so hard we had not miscarried what would have been my third kid...now we are too old and I have accepted I will not have more kids...but boy did I want that one...life is precious and babies are such a blessing that even though I am pro choice I will always have trouble with abortion...millions of babies never born...it’s crazy

My thought on abortion is if you're against it, don't have one.

He also cancelled his Netflix account, I think in part because of Michelle Wolf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w955V6ULd4 Her vile, flip attitude is enough the make many retch. He probably thinks she represents all Dems.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2018, 02:58:29 pm
man, with your stance on Immigration coupled with your statement below...you might have to turn in your democrat card

I do agree we've created a situation where Democrats can't talk about either of these topics unless it's exactly on the party line

I don't remember his exact stance on immigrants, but agree with him 100% on abortion.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on December 31, 2018, 04:04:44 pm
man, with your stance on Immigration coupled with your statement below...you might have to turn in your democrat card

I do agree we've created a situation where Democrats can't talk about either of these topics unless it's exactly on the party line

I don't remember his exact stance on immigrants, but agree with him 100% on abortion.
whoa...100% agreement with hutch...is this bizarro day

My thought on abortion is if you're against it, don't have one.
I just don't think it's that simple.  You can say that about Howard Stern, but I think it's way more coplex when talking about the medical procedure to terminate ones pregnancy
there is some Scientific and Moral implications that society has to weigh in on that we all are accountable for
The irony is the same people who want to ban access to abortion are the same people who want to take away welfare/food stamps and other things that are very charitable and dare I say Jesus-like

I do also cry bullshit that men can't weigh in on this topic, but I'm in agreement that its essential to have women at the table in this dicussion
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 02, 2019, 06:56:31 pm


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dv4dAjjU8AAVwPC.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 07, 2019, 01:25:04 pm
Bernie ... Don't Run (https://www.timesargus.com/opinion/perspective/don-t-run/article_290102b1-d007-5ef3-8342-8c132265f27d.html?fbclid=IwAR1nKZxtpeQf-QeLDmIX4L8hDHcMkuEoQ4Ir_yQbMSsjKZcjTp7T4n_n0kY)
Bernie Sanders' hometown paper doesn't want him to run for president
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 07, 2019, 03:02:28 pm
I think they are all running

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 12, 2019, 06:53:03 pm
He’s not going to win, but there’s something about the Julian For The Future tagline thats awfully faith-inspiring.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 12, 2019, 09:45:18 pm
He’s not going to win, but there’s something about the Julian For The Future tagline thats awfully faith-inspiring.
You have to start the thread and it will come true
How do you think relaxer did it....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on January 16, 2019, 01:48:54 pm
I will not support Gillibrand in any way

That I can tell you

Kirsten Gillibrand Announces Presidential Bid (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/gillibrand-president-election.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 16, 2019, 02:16:41 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 16, 2019, 02:41:04 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on January 16, 2019, 03:07:23 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?

In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 16, 2019, 03:15:04 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?

In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."

so she's honest... how is that a negative?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 16, 2019, 03:17:35 pm
tooten a space... where you been?? or maybe this is your troll attempt so i better make it short...lest i fall into trolland.

she basically pushed Al Franken out of the Senate.... no due process..that is why..


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 16, 2019, 03:18:12 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?

In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."

so she's honest... how is that a negative?

I object! Another strike against here....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 16, 2019, 03:29:31 pm
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate

I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?

In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."

so she's honest... how is that a negative?

I object! Another strike against here....
she is DEAD to me now...how dare she

and the wapo agrees!  ...they are DEAD too
Kirsten Gillibrand shouldn’t apologize. Arlington really is 'soulless. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/10/kirsten-gillibrand-shouldnt-apologize-arlington-really-is-soulless)

tho...this is accurate and the street map is an incoherent and baffling series of dead-ending curlicues reminiscent of a bowl of spaghetti. and this Arlington also lacks a physical center,
But I will say this article is bullshit as we have TONS of trees, sidewalks and bike lanes/paths
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2019, 05:08:14 pm
She's my leading candidate now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 16, 2019, 10:46:47 pm
Well she is absolutely ruthless...I can see how that would appeal to you...

She came to congress as a blue dog democrat... now she has repositioned herself as a liberal...

Progressives can't stand her (they probably hate her more than any candidate other than Tulsi Gabbard) and this election progressives are going to have an even bigger impact than last time..the party has moved to the left.... I suppose the only real shot at stopping a progressive is probably Biden.. unless you define Harris as a more centrist democrat..

I have talked to democrats that can't stand Gillibrand because of the way she threw Franken under the  bus..


In a primary process with so many candidates maybe anything can happen though...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 17, 2019, 09:52:06 am
in good news....Just 30 percent of registered voters said they will definitely vote for Trump in 2020, while 57 percent said they will definitely vote against him. (https://www.npr.org/2019/01/17/685539207/poll-trump-approval-down-slips-with-base)
Although I agree this means nothing, but makes me feel a little better that he won't get reelected
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 17, 2019, 10:06:53 am
If democrats just put up Biden without any primaries he would beat Trump but after 18 months of primaries and bloodshed and the media who knows what emerges....

You are right it means nothing...I recall Feb 2006 we were all convinced McCain would defeat Hillary for the presidency
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 17, 2019, 10:07:19 am
Blaming Gillibrand for Franken's bad behavior is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I weep for a Democratic voting bloc that makes it because its horseshit. The people who are arguing it are amoral shitheads.

Franken acknowledged that he made mistakes (while qualifying that with "I don't remember all of these alleged incidences"), called for an ethics investigation into himself, and then resigned. His behavior was bad and Gillibrand did not make him do it. She was right to call his behavior deplorable because -- and here's the thing-- it was, the same way Trump (who should also resign) and Roy Moore's behavior was deplorable. But what Gillibrand did not do is make Franken do is resign. He is -- what the kids refer to as -- "a grown ass man." Kirsten Gillibrand didn't make him do jackshit; I must have missed that photo of her putting him in an armbar on the Senate floor and making him tap out. She called on a person who should resign to resign and then he did. Fin.

If you want to know how far we still have to go on sexual issues look no further then our 9:30 Virtue Signaler in Chief literally shitting on a woman for calling for a man to resign, as he should, after his deplorable behavior. This continues the long American tradition (as also seen with Kavanaugh, that Maryland football coach, et al) of nothing being as sacrosanct as rich white guy's job security.

Fuck Al Franken. Mild applause to Kristin Gillibrand. And I say this as someone who very likely would not vote for Gillibrand in a primary.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 17, 2019, 10:10:30 am
Whatever dude..your usual load of crap....the way to handle Franken was to have an investigation not force him to resign without due process

To compare the Franken case to Kavanaugh is ridiculous...rapes against allegedly  squeezing a butt cheek or a dumb pic
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 17, 2019, 10:19:32 am
Kavanaugh was not accused of any "rapes" by anyone remotely credible (Blasey-Ford alleged a sexual assault the same as Franken's victims), and any attempt to obfuscate the multiple credible accounts of groping by Franken (including by Democratic staffers) is gross.

The point remains, Kristin Gillibrand did not make Al Franken do anything. She was right to call for his resignation and blaming her for his actions or his choice to resign is garbage. I'm so sorry a rich, white guy you agreed with doesn't get to be a Senator anymore. Fucking bitches, eh?

Go tear some tickets.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 17, 2019, 10:22:06 am
Wow...nobody “remotely credible”

Ok...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 17, 2019, 10:28:12 am
So allegations against Franken aren't actionable until there's an investigation but people who refuse to testify against Kavanaugh who cannot even provide a scintilla of evidence they were in the same building as him at any point in their life and who later admit disavow the claim, that's rock solid gospel? Got it.

Again, sorry a rich white guy you like was held accountable for his deplorable actions. Go back to a dry recitation of what South American acoustic white-label test pressings that none of us care about you're listening to. You're super terrific at that. Hell, you're the GOAT.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 17, 2019, 10:34:41 am
The mental gymnastics it takes to think Trump is unfit to serve because of his sexual assaults and Brett Kavanaugh is unfit to have his job because of his sexual assault allegations but Al Franken WHO RESIGNED OF HIS OWN VOLITION was somehow unfairly punished (by himself??) and its all that evil woman who didn't sexually assault anyone's fault is staggering. And it would be somewhat amusing if this was a view held by some random dude on a nightclub message board but it's downright depressing when it's the view of approximately 20% of the members in the supposedly progressive party of the country.

Al Franken revisionist history is a terrible look for the Dems. The sheer hypocrisy is galling. We should be better than this.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 17, 2019, 10:38:33 am
The mental gymnastics required to equate Trump and Kavanaugh with Franken is astounding but maybe explains why Trump is President, Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court and Franken at home playing with his grandkids.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 17, 2019, 10:41:32 am
Who knew Julian hated rich white men so much?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 17, 2019, 10:43:33 am
Denying Al Franken was forced out....wow

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 17, 2019, 10:43:53 am
Who knew Julian hated rich white men so much?
LOL
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 17, 2019, 10:48:14 am
I wish I had more South American test pressings....they really don’t exist...I don’t think I own one


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 17, 2019, 12:47:55 pm
I wish I had more South American test pressings....they really don’t exist...I don’t think I own one

Who would be the most likely candidate to promise more South American test pressings?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 17, 2019, 12:49:38 pm
I wish I had more South American test pressings....they really don’t exist...I don’t think I own one

Who would be the most likely candidate to promise more South American test pressings?
Is it racist if I link to https://www.julianforthefuture.com/ now?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 17, 2019, 01:19:34 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/gLsNiyZ.jpg)
looking good man...too bad you couldn't take MI tho...
also with all the felons voting in FL, I think you'll take that too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 22, 2019, 10:38:27 am
I thought this article was pretty awesome. Warning, it's long.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/21/connie-schultz-sherrod-brown-donald-trump-democratic-primary-2020-223416
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on January 24, 2019, 08:12:11 am
Joe Biden accepts $200k to stump for Republican congressman (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/politics/biden-speech-fred-upton.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 24, 2019, 08:25:02 am
Damn that is pretty shocking
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 24, 2019, 09:58:19 am
Damn that is pretty shocking
agreed
...quick question though...doesn't this counter the narrative that nytimes is a mouthpiece for the dems/liberals?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on January 24, 2019, 01:42:55 pm
Damn that is pretty shocking
agreed
...quick question though...doesn't this counter the narrative that nytimes is a mouthpiece for the dems/liberals?

Kind of like how Alan Colmes countered the narrative that Fox News is a mouthpiece for the GOP/conservatives?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Bagley on January 24, 2019, 02:21:10 pm
Ben Stein's a whiny bitch


https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/01/23/ben-stein-compares-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dictators-such-hitler-stalin/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9256552e7a8a
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 24, 2019, 02:27:59 pm
He sure is
also was a speechwriter for former president Richard Nixon...that speaks volumes

 he said this about an Obama rally
Seventy-five thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that’s something the führer would have done,” Stein said. “And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past.”


 Trump has done 33 #MAGA campaign rallies...and they really look like something the führer would have done


So he loves to call dems hilter


Lastly AOC isn't running for pres in 2020 (she will be too young)...but we don't really have a general political thread
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 24, 2019, 02:49:55 pm
AOC is rocking it

A breath of fresh air
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 28, 2019, 03:20:51 pm
The past couple of weeks, I've probably had a half dozen homeless black guys try to hit me up for money. Always for 50 cents or "two quarters."

Today a white homeless guy try to hit me up for a dollar.

Fucking White entitlement.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 28, 2019, 04:53:17 pm
not really sure that ended up in the 2020 thread
maybe "things homeless people say to me when I'm trying to ignore them"?

So Howard "Starbucks" Schultz throwing his hat in as an Independent

god we don't need a third party on the liberal side...how much would that suck if trump won 2020 with only 35% of the vote if the independent pulled 20% of the 'anti-trump' vote

I think we should really be massively be fund raising for a 3rd party conservative
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 28, 2019, 07:13:46 pm
I don’t get people that tell people not to run....seems very anti-democratic and un American


Now I can see trying to convince people not to vote third party once all candidates are announced for general but at this early point?

Anyone who wants to be president should run to be president...the more the better
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 28, 2019, 09:39:19 pm
I don’t get people that tell people not to run....seems very anti-democratic and un American


Now I can see trying to convince people not to vote third party once all candidates are announced for general but at this early point?

Anyone who wants to be president should run to be president...the more the better

I think Trump is more un-American and anti-democratic than telling a left-center guy not to run as an independent. Can't Ross Perot run as the independent choice instead of Schultz?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 28, 2019, 10:02:43 pm
I think Perot is dead 💀

I can’t stand people saying Bernie should not run Biden should not Hillary should not

Let anyone run and the voters decide

Now if someone actually runs and does and says things to intentionally torpedo the Democratic Party emerging nominee then I could see having a problem with that...

It really takes the cake to see people who celebrated Bernie and his scorched earth run in 2016 criticize people for merely saying they might want to run for President
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 28, 2019, 10:05:50 pm
Trying to scare people about a guy like Schultz running because Trump is so terrible is weak....democrats need to run and win on issues and not simply the anti-trump message....Hillary tried that to some degree...attack Trump on his strong suit issues like immigration by coming up with something better not simply saying Trump is Hitler
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 28, 2019, 10:29:40 pm
Perot is most certainly not dead.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 28, 2019, 10:38:22 pm
Perot is most certainly not dead.
Unless you’ve spoken to him in the last few minutes, this is really irresponsible.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 28, 2019, 10:54:21 pm
The Republican Party is so solidly brainwashed and behind Trump I am not sure anyone can bleed much support from him...not even - I stand corrected- an 89 year old Perot
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 29, 2019, 01:00:51 am
The Republican Party is so solidly brainwashed and behind Trump I am not sure anyone can bleed much support from him...not even - I stand corrected- an 89 year old Perot

eh, i'm not sure of that.  there is a solid segement of the voting population - around a third of the electorate - that will indeed support trump no matter what he does (including shooting someone on 5th ave).  but between that third and the 50'ish% that he needs to get elected again - that's the segment that is vulnerable. (reminder: trump won 2016 with 46.1%, so if 1/3 is correct then he needs to muster another ~13%).

one scenario i can foresee is trump easily winning the nom again because his base is fervent - they'll come out to the primary polls.  highly unlikely any challenger could muster that much enthusiasm from their supporters.  do you see throngs of voters showing up on polling day for, say, larry hogan?!?  after the nomination is secured he'll need to convince that 13% to vote for him, and that's where things (hopefully) fall apart - that 13% of folks "willing to give him a chance" are unlikely to be as generous in 2020.  they gave him a chance, and currently trump is polling below 40%... so he's coming up short.

this assumes the dems can come up with a halfway decent candidate.  still plenty of time for the donkeys to f*ck things up. 

i was reading about a disheartening debate among some dems that the country isn't ready for a female president and that's why they lost in 2016, so despite the optics maybe they should focus on a male candidate because it's too risky to test the waters with another woman... i don't support this opinion, but it's out there.  ugh.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 29, 2019, 08:35:17 am
i don't support this opinion, but it's out there.  ugh.
wise man once said "opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 29, 2019, 08:50:08 am
I don’t really care if it can’t happen as the battle must continue to be fought but if Hillary could not do it.....

People are lying to themselves if they believe her being a woman was not an important factor in her ”loss”.... people can’t face the uncomfortable truth so they blame her for being “unlikable”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 29, 2019, 08:54:12 am
Currently I have Kamala Harris as the favorite
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 29, 2019, 09:19:58 am
it's all about timing, say Hil went up against Mitt or McCain...I think she would have won

trump's campaign did such a good job a threading that needle
and the fact that his only 'history' was reality tv and tabloids was perfect for the uneducated voter

but  they have things to judge him a little more critically on

Sadly all these presidential elections are decided by people who can't really make a decision and flip flop to what ever candidate has the shiniest pin on their lapel

Hil got 65,845,063  votes.....Obama got 65,915,795 in 2008

Trump strategists were very freaking smart and they successfully took the electoral college with 3 mill less votes


Getting back to the Shultz statement....I'm not saying that he shouldn't run
but he should run in the dem primary, he's got to know if he is a credible candidate that running as an independent would greatly increase trumps re-election chances


Maybe we should turn the tables and go all reality TV with the Dems

They all live in the same house for a few months and every week registered democratic voters would be able to kick someone off the island

This is our election to lose (heard that before)
it's all a bout messaging and the Dems seem to suck (well its more to do with Dems know the world is complex and can't come up with a policy that's 140 characters)

take the news ....U.S. Treasury Set to Borrow $1 Trillion for a Second Year to Finance the Trump Tax Cut

seriously how can someone who calls them self a conservative be like "we need to lower spending and stop increasing the deficit"
but "it's ok to go in debt so big corps and the 1% get an awesome tax cut...hmm also as an avg American, didn't really more than $100 difference in my taxes" "Oh no big deal we don't have money for roads or teachers either, pile on the debt, that's how we solve this problem"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2019, 11:44:06 am
I'd like to see a Brown/Klobuchar or Brown/Harris ticket. Though it would be a chance-y move to give up one or two Senator spots in purple/red states. I like Bullock too, but nobody is going to rally around the governor of Montana.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 29, 2019, 11:52:33 am
Who gives a rat fuck about tickets? It never matters


It’s like something people talk about for no reason
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 29, 2019, 12:01:48 pm
Also saying you want A or B before candidates have even presented their ideas, shown their campaign style, demonstrated debate skills, shown how they will handle incoming fire and dealt with an in depth vetting and any potential skeletons in the closet is absolutely moronic and asking for trouble

The ideal approach is to stay open as long as possible and see how things shake out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2019, 12:10:20 pm
Wow, sounds like someone needs a bj.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 29, 2019, 01:11:21 pm
Someone needs a clue
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 30, 2019, 01:44:03 pm
Podesta says....not Hill (https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-not-running-for-president-in-2020-john-podesta-2019-1)

oh and  Garcetti announced a 'not running' this week
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 30, 2019, 06:17:03 pm
well well well the Dems are putting some quality propsals on the table

course Mitch is pissed....as the GOP rigging of the American voting system may be exposed

Mitch pissed calling it a 'power grab' as Dems try to make election day a federal holiday (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-says-bill-that-would-make-election-day-a-federal-holiday-is-a-power-grab-by-democrats/2019/01/30/57421dd6-24bd-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8016eeb47b56)

The far-reaching legislation would also prohibit the purging of voter rolls, require presidential and vice-presidential candidates to release their tax returns, compel states to adopt independent redistricting commissions and create a matching system for small-dollar donations to congressional campaigns, among other changes.

“Voting is a power grab. By citizens,” Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii)

I like this idea "combining Election Day with Veterans Day" then we don't have to worry about victimizmizing every American taxpayer -mitch's words

They are pissed because all the tricks and scams they do to supress voting are being exposed to light
I really hope the KY voters stick it to Mitch in 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 30, 2019, 07:45:32 pm
Will need to flip senate in 2020 and win presidency to make this a reality...,it really needs to happen

I wonder if Supreme Court would declare it unconstitutional?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 30, 2019, 08:01:54 pm
I mean I could see a firestorm over this....Red states objecting etc
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 30, 2019, 08:31:52 pm
the GOP is blowing my mind as much as trump is these days.  their cynicism is so naked.

I mean I could see a firestorm over this....Red states objecting etc

over what?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 30, 2019, 08:35:17 pm
Ugh...over a mandatory day off on voting day

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on January 30, 2019, 08:40:32 pm
yeah, they'd go insane.  because after years of snipping a little voters' rights here, a little bit there... it would all be undone, and then some, in one swoop.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on January 30, 2019, 08:42:26 pm
Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 30, 2019, 08:43:53 pm
Not saying they should but once their overlords on Fox told them what to do they WOULD go nuts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on January 30, 2019, 08:50:18 pm
Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?

Uh wouldn’t it be like mlk where it just expands?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on January 30, 2019, 09:21:51 pm
yeah, they'd go insane.  because after years of snipping a little voters' rights here, a little bit there... it would all be undone, and then some, in one swoop.
I know... a simple concept too
this ARE the droids we were looking for!

Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?
I wholeheartly agree, but corporations like wallmart and starbuck will want to do the civic duty (PR) and a lot more "poor" people will easily be able to vote


We've really gotta message this one simple and really drive it into the ground
there is no good argument for not having easy access to voting
but we have to OWN the narative
Hell I'd give trump $10 bill for the wall if he passed some legendary voting reform
he could actually do it and it might be something his base (i.e. not his handelers) would like

Other than the ACA this is the first Act dems have done in a while that seems memorable
this is a winner....we should wait on all the big shit until we figure out how to un rig this system


edit...they've already got a name for it
Democracy Day is the tentative name of a possible federal holiday  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Day_(United_States))
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 01, 2019, 08:07:15 am
 Cory throws his hat in the ring
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 01, 2019, 08:12:20 am
Now that is big news
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 01, 2019, 09:44:49 am
I do like Cory...
he's got charisma that so many of the other candidates lack

Tulsi seems to be circling in the toilette bowl
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 01, 2019, 10:05:42 am
They are ALL running.....so far
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 01, 2019, 11:42:46 am
Cory throws his hat in the ring

Won't be nominated.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 01, 2019, 11:49:47 am
Cory throws his hat in the ring

Won't be nominated.
please explain?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on February 01, 2019, 01:03:00 pm

eh, i'm not sure of that.  there is a solid segement of the voting population - around a third of the electorate - that will indeed support trump no matter what he does (including shooting someone on 5th ave).  but between that third and the 50'ish% that he needs to get elected again - that's the segment that is vulnerable. (reminder: trump won 2016 with 46.1%, so if 1/3 is correct then he needs to muster another ~13%).

It's about 40% in the states that matter that are a solid base for Trump, given his consistent polling there.  It's much less arduous a task than you are giving credit.   

it's all about timing, say Hil went up against Mitt or McCain...I think she would have won

I think you grossly underestimate how much voters from both parties disliked Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 01, 2019, 01:26:33 pm
Only a couple of years before the election Hillary was the most popular politician in America...sure, after she was taken down by Republicans on Benghazi and the EMAILS and Bernie she was extremely unpopular

So you are correct...she was unpopular but she beat Trump by 3 million votes...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 01, 2019, 01:36:41 pm
As far as Trump chances if the economy averages 250k job growth a month for the next 20 months and wages continue to grow I have to think he will be re-elected no matter how ridiculous and objectionable people may find him....

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 01, 2019, 01:50:59 pm
Cory throws his hat in the ring

Won't be nominated.
please explain?

What is there to explain? He won't be the pick.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 01, 2019, 01:55:03 pm
Ugh...maybe like WHY do you think Cory Booker won’t be the pick?!?!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 01, 2019, 01:55:29 pm
As far as Trump chances if the economy averages 250k job growth a month for the next 20 months and wages continue to grow I have to think he will be re-elected no matter how ridiculous and objectionable people may find him....
I don't think this will be sustainable...the wheels are starting to come off on this stuff
the shutdown and trade wars could spell disaster for 2019

but I have a feeling we'll be going to war with Venezuela or Mexico by then
so all cards are off the table when predicting the future with trump

I do hope kush or princess trump or DTII get indicted...
my feeling is he doesn't care about any of his close business partners (price of doing business with a crook)
...but if they touch his kids, I think he'll go apeshhit and things will go a little bonkers


This is good news for the dems....
2020 electorate will be least white, most diverse ever
Young voters and immigrants are set to boost Hispanic and Asian share of the voting population in the next presidential contest. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/2020-electorate-will-be-least-white-most-diverse-ever-n964776?fbclid=IwAR19QtpNQ0u9p8pjitdwbiO2Aospu5yfy-ZJPo00vWHtJ6QOntCAwO60DDc)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: ggw on February 06, 2019, 09:21:26 am
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-06/warren-called-herself-american-indian-on-1986-bar-registration
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 06, 2019, 09:35:37 am
The horror



Geez imagine Trump using this against her in the general....he will eat her alive
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 06, 2019, 09:51:47 am
it's sad that her chances at 2020 will be brought down by this
she's toast...
this is an argument that starting the 2020 primaries 2 years ahead is a bad idea
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 09:56:33 am
it's sad that her chances at 2020 will be brought down by this
she's toast...
this is an argument that starting the 2020 primaries 2 years ahead is a bad idea

Not sad. The sooner she's gone the better. Hillary 2.0 in terms of personality. No way blue collar white men or women from swing states vote for her.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 06, 2019, 10:15:02 am
TBH ...I think she was better running mate material, not anymore
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 10:31:19 am
TBH ...I think she was better running mate material, not anymore

Whose ticket would she add anything to as a running mate? She wouldn't help with the swing state voters like Klobuchar or Brown. She wouldn't help with turning out the minority vote like Harris, Booker, or Castro. She might help turning out a few senior women with men's haircuts, pun maybe slightly intended but please don't take it as homophobia. That's about it.

Since she's from Massachusetts and thus easily replaced by anyone liberal with a pulse, she'd be useful as a Secretary of Something.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 06, 2019, 10:38:21 am
or Castro
This #julianforthefuture is really catching on ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 06, 2019, 10:44:22 am
I think Space you have the wrong approach



Swing voters in today’s America???


The key is to drive up your base turnout....get people to vote who hate Trump...not try to find a needle in the haystack: an open minded white man in the Midwest who is having trouble deciding whether he supports Trump (are there many of these)


Hillary lost among other things cause black people could not be bothered to stand in line for her in the same numbers that did so for Obama in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee


The old model of targeting the center is dead....fundamentally you have to get your base to turn out...give them something to stand in line for....not some milquetoast platform to target a few “swing voters”


At least that is the way I see it and I used to totally share your view Space
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on February 06, 2019, 10:50:33 am
or Castro
This #julianforthefuture is really catching on ;)
HAIL JULIAN!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 11:01:18 am
I think Space you have the wrong approach



Swing voters in today’s America???


The key is to drive up your base turnout....get people to vote who hate Trump...not try to find a needle in the haystack: an open minded white man in the Midwest who is having trouble deciding whether he supports Trump (are there many of these)


Hillary lost among other things cause black people could not be bothered to stand in line for her in the same numbers that did so for Obama in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee


The old model of targeting the center is dead....fundamentally you have to get your base to turn out...give them something to stand in line for....not some milquetoast platform to target a few “swing voters”


At least that is the way I see it and I used to totally share your view Space

Well then you are more part of the Harris, Booker, and Castro school of thought than the Brown, Klobuchar, or Biden school of thought.

Who do you see as best able to turn out the black folks on election day? Harris is half Asian, married to a white Jewish man, and probably prosecuted a buttload of black people as attorney general. Castro has both an unfortunate last name, and an unfortunate first name. I guess that leave Cory. But he's a former college football player, and you said nobody likes football anymore.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 06, 2019, 11:01:36 am
AOC has it exactly right....I see the Democratic Party heading in that direction...leftwards


A guy like Sherrod Brown has no hope of motivating voters to go out and vote...

Look at at Tim Kaine? In retrospect did he add anything to Hillary?

We need somebody to the right of Bernie but not by much...and younger

Trump voters know what they are voting for....what exactly is someone voting for Klobuchar or Brown voting for? Competence? Mild mannerism? Someone nice? Someone who can win statewide office in a red or purple state?


Yeah that sure gets voters excited there...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 06, 2019, 11:26:43 am
Biden is one of a kind in that he might peel off some support in the middle but I know he is too old


I have no idea who should get nomination until they go through the paces

Kamala Harris has appeal at this point but who knows...a misstep after the town hall gives one pause (she should have stuck to her statement about insurance companies and not gone back on it)

Basically we need a Trump on the left



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 06, 2019, 11:27:19 am
Look at at Tim Kaine? In retrospect did he add anything to Hillary?
zero, I don't even think he delivered VA to Hill
she would have gotten almost exactly the same with out him on the bill

Basically we need a Trump on the left
No such animal exists or ever could
Dems use their full brain, not just their medulla oblongata to make choices in the voting both
which is a shame as it would be so much easier to win if we could just stick to bumper sticker politics

I think the congress should come up with a sweet package
that give trump all the money for the wall, but massively increases funding for courts, facilities and agents at the border
but ALSO includes Democracy day or DACA finality

This is the leverage we need...Trump is desperate for this wall
So give it to him with stuff that will really help the dems long term, then he'll have a harder time Vetoing it...because...the wall
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 11:36:09 am
Biden is one of a kind in that he might peel off some support in the middle but I know he is too old


I have no idea who should get nomination until they go through the paces

Kamala Harris has appeal at this point but who knows...a misstep after the town hall gives one pause (she should have stuck to her statement about insurance companies and not gone back on it)

Basically we need a Trump on the left

I think we need someone who can heal us from the damage Trump has done to the country. We don't need a Trump on the left.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 06, 2019, 11:42:21 am
Trump on the left

1. Good at Twitter / social media (connect and inspire voters while bypassing media)
2. Aggressive
3. Stamina
4. Polarizing (take a stand on issues even if it may trouble establishment, media or voters on the other side....even if pollsters tell you it’s hurting )


The only exceptions are immigration and terrorism on which nominee must try to dearticulate Trump strength

5. Never apologize...never change position once it is a position campaign adopts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 06, 2019, 11:45:38 am
Biden is one of a kind in that he might peel off some support in the middle but I know he is too old


I have no idea who should get nomination until they go through the paces

Kamala Harris has appeal at this point but who knows...a misstep after the town hall gives one pause (she should have stuck to her statement about insurance companies and not gone back on it)

Basically we need a Trump on the left

I think we need someone who can heal us from the damage Trump has done to the country. We don't need a Trump on the left.

That ship has sailed....we ain’t going back


We need someone willing to bring a gun to a gunfight...not a pocket knife
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on February 06, 2019, 12:49:43 pm
Justin Trudeau?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 06, 2019, 01:40:26 pm
Justin Trudeau?
Is Canada going to invade
apparently there is a border crisis and we were focusing on the wrong one!

I welcome the Canadian overlords!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2019, 02:29:46 pm
Justin Trudeau?
Is Canada going to invade
apparently there is a border crisis and we were focusing on the wrong one!

I welcome the Canadian overlords!

prepare to watch hockey and eat beaver tails (https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/canada/articles/the-canadian-doughnut-a-history-of-the-beaver-tail/) (like your previous overlord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeaverTails#/media/File:Barack_Obama_and_well-wisher_in_Ottawa_2-19-09.jpg)).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 06, 2019, 02:56:23 pm
so can you get a beaver tail in DC?
looks tasty

this is not a request to Relaxer how to find beaver or tail

also this is not a fun fact
The Barenaked Ladies once changed a lyric in their song at a concert from ‘if I had a million dollars’ to ‘if I had a million beaver tails.’
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2019, 04:12:52 pm
Booker *is* a vegan. And he's dating Rosario Dawson, who's smoking hot. So he has those things going for him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 07, 2019, 12:41:42 am
I don’t get it...was there a benefit for Warren putting Native American on a Texas bar application? Maybe she thought she was?


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 07, 2019, 08:02:16 am
Senator Gillibrand was at Anthem last night...guest on Lovett or Leave It
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 07, 2019, 10:06:11 am
I don’t get it...was there a benefit for Warren putting Native American on a Texas bar application? Maybe she thought she was?
She's toast, seems silly that this would bring her down.  But all her previous statements on this matter contradict

Only silver lining is you can't say the WaPo is in bed with the DNC if they are destroying potential candidates

not really a sliver lining, but I'm so tired of the "liberal media is a wing of the democratic party" when I think that is a bullshit statement that is said one million times...so now gullible know-nothing Americans now take as a fact

Edit...added the K and the N
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on February 07, 2019, 02:11:40 pm
no-nothing

know-nothing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 09, 2019, 02:02:02 pm
Warren makes it official
Worst timing ever
I don't think she's going to make it to the debates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 09, 2019, 02:05:59 pm
Why do you say that?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 13, 2019, 04:44:11 pm
Props to Cory. I don't see this interview helping him in the South or Midwest.

https://vegnews.com/2019/2/cory-booker-on-animal-r...sm-and-how-to-change-the-world

 The New Jersey Democrat recently told VegNews that he started experimenting with a vegetarian diet around 1992 and then eliminated dairy foods as well, making his diet completely animal-free.

 You see the planet earth moving towards what is the Standard American Diet,” he told VegNews. “We’ve seen this massive increase in consumption of meat produced by the industrial animal agriculture industry.

“The tragic reality is this planet simply can’t sustain billions of people consuming industrially produced animal agriculture because of environmental impact. It’s just not possible, as China, as Africa move toward consuming meat the same way America does because we just don’t have enough land.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 19, 2019, 02:59:30 pm
prepare to feel the Bern!
let the haters commence....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 19, 2019, 05:41:02 pm
Dukakis Announces 2020 Bid: “Everyone Else Is”




:)
By Andy Borowitz (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/dukakis-announces-2020-bid-everyone-else-is)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 21, 2019, 01:42:34 pm
prepare to feel the Bern!
let the haters commence....
donny is trying to get this nick-name to stick....

@realDonaldTrump  Feb 20
Crazy Bernie has just entered the race. I wish him well!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 21, 2019, 02:03:20 pm
One can only hope Bernie doesn’t cost us two elections but goddamnit if he ain’t going to do his best...


It’s up to the voters
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 21, 2019, 02:21:52 pm
One can only hope Bernie doesn’t cost us two elections but goddamnit if he ain’t going to do his best...


It’s up to the voters

Are you saying Bernie shouldn't run?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 21, 2019, 02:49:37 pm
Ugh no...I said anybody who wants to be president should, right?!? Let the voters decide


Now whether the Democratic Party should have let him run in its primaries is a fair question but that train left the station years ago
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 21, 2019, 02:54:18 pm
Now whether the Democratic Party should have let him run in its primaries is a fair question
where are you going with that logic...so in 2016 the democratic party should have said you can't run in this primary?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 21, 2019, 03:02:42 pm
Yeah I know it’s crazy for the Democratic Party to require people be - you know- members of the Democratic Party to run as its standard bearer for the highest office in the land...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 21, 2019, 03:08:51 pm
didn't he become a member before running?

I mean I get it...he was an independent his whole life and didn't have a single 'friend' in the democratic party (mostly his doing)
Still doesn't mean he can register as a Dem and run in their primary and let the voters decide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 21, 2019, 03:21:02 pm

Still doesn't mean he can register as a Dem and run in their primary and let the voters decide


It doesn’t?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 21, 2019, 03:25:57 pm
what's your take on Bloomberg then...
he has been a life long republican (well, became an independent in 2007) but just joined the Dems in 2018
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 22, 2019, 11:59:45 am
Yeah I know it’s crazy for the Democratic Party to require people be - you know- members of the Democratic Party to run as its standard bearer for the highest office in the land...

They wanted to control the Senate and they need Bernie to increase the likelihood that they would.  Plus they didn't take him seriously

But in doing it, the Dems actually botched it both ways.  They let him run but tried to put their thumb on the scale for all to see.  Not a good look. 

Of course the party tries to put their thumb on the scale in races all the time.

How responsive they should be to voters versus well connected folks is a bigger discussion. Right now, the Party definitely tilts towards the donors.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 09:12:48 am
This is really all that matters


http://crystalball.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/the-2020-electoral-college-our-first-look/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 09:35:53 am
wow...giving FL to the GOP (obviously a prediction two years ahead doesn't mean squat)

So are we thinking the felons are really going to have no impact in FL?
there are like 1 million and the elections have been only won in the thousands...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2019, 09:41:42 am
wow...giving FL to the GOP (obviously a prediction two years ahead doesn't mean squat)

So are we thinking the felons are really going to have no impact in FL?
there are like 1 million and the elections have been only won in the thousands...

Nothing like relying on convicted felons as your path to victory, lol.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 10:00:27 am
hey, felons are people too
if they have done their time, isn't that enough?

I wouldn't say that the dems are reliying on them, but how can it not have an impact on a state that has razor thin margins every election for the last few decades
Trust me the GOP was trying to kill that bill with all their might as they know it might tip the results

Flordia impact on our presidential election is insane....and isn't that ironic as Floridians are kind of insane too (check out: Florida Man (@_FloridaMan). Real-life stories of the world's worst superhero)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:01:12 am
I think Trump will take Florida...it’s a reasonable prediction...Trump won comfortably in 2016 and Republicans have been winning statewide..Trump practically lives there...Both Florida and Ohio aren’t going to go blue unless it’s such a wave victory that they won’t matter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:04:14 am
Trump’s victory over HRC in FL was not razor thin



Anyways Republicans will do what they can to suppress the felon vote which is not exactly reliable ...counting on that vote is foolish...in addition to poor form

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 10:05:22 am
trump took FL by only 100k votes..out of 9.5mil cast (bernie wasn't on that ballot)
while I don't think Felons are a reliable voting block...I still think it was a close call
plus half the people who voted for him have died or will die by 2020

now I don't think they should advertise or make a big deal about the felon vote as I agree it's bad form
but it's a reality that 1mil eligible, mostly like dem leaning voters... are now eligible in a state that was close

I'm sorry but 100k dif on 9.5 million votes is pretty close in my opinion
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:06:15 am
Florida and Ohio are incredibly expensive states to campaign in and if I were the democrats I would be tempted to cede them

The map is a strong argument for Biden as Scranton Joe would have a leg up on other democrats in PA and PA is critical
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:07:56 am
You know Florida sidehatch....short of the three southeastern counties it’s Trump country...be realistic and stop relying on felons...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 10:11:27 am
You know Florida sidehatch....short of the three southeastern counties it’s Trump country...
Can't argue that...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 28, 2019, 10:20:25 am
hey, felons are people too
if they have done their time, isn't that enough?

I wouldn't say that the dems are reliying on them, but how can it not have an impact on a state that has razor thin margins every election for the last few decades
Trust me the GOP was trying to kill that bill with all their might as they know it might tip the results

Flordia impact on our presidential election is insane....and isn't that ironic as Floridians are kind of insane too (check out: Florida Man (@_FloridaMan). Real-life stories of the world's worst superhero)

Republicans in state are doing everything they can to stop the ballot initiative from being implemented.  Hard to say how many new voters will actually get added, so it's hard to say how many new votes this will actually be.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:20:43 am
If you don’t want to constrain the map take your FL and OH resources and play hard in Arizona...They probably will give FL a half hearted effort to make Trump spend some money and time there but it will all depend on their internal polls...at first look though I agree with the Crystal Ball that FL and OH are gone


Obviously Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania are the key....


Unless it’s a Trump wave in which case nothing will matter

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:22:01 am


Republicans in state are doing everything they can to stop them from getting the vote.  Hard to say how many new voters will actually get added.

——-///////
Exactly
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 10:47:47 am
hey, felons are people too
Republicans in state are doing everything they can to stop the ballot initiative from being implemented. 
my point exactly, they wouldn't be trying so hard if they though it would have no impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:51:56 am
Ok put your money where your mouth is


I bet you $50 Trump carries Florida and Ohio regardless of felons voting
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2019, 11:51:03 am
Ok put your money where your mouth is


I bet you $50 Trump carries Florida and Ohio regardless of felons voting

If Sherrod Brown were the nominee, would he carry Ohio?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 11:59:18 am
No
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 12:35:14 pm
All indications are both Beto and Biden will run....it’s going to be a full house!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 12:47:11 pm
hmm...I'm done taking bets on politics
I bet my MAGA brother-in-law $100 on Hil to win, then the day before we doubled the bet...
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on February 28, 2019, 12:57:35 pm
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
No you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 01:15:05 pm
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
No you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
MAGA=Gun owner
it was a part of the bet...he would have had to say he loved Hilliary, which I was looking forward too
I blame Michigan!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on February 28, 2019, 01:17:09 pm
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
No you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
MAGA=Gun owner
it was a part of the bet...he would have had to say he loved Hilliary, which I was looking forward too
I blame Michigan!
You could’ve squelched on the bet like a rat. You CHOSE not to.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 01:41:17 pm
hmm...I'm done taking bets on politics
I bet my MAGA brother-in-law $100 on Hil to win, then the day before we doubled the bet...
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump


Wow...that is a serious offense
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 01:48:44 pm
hmm...I'm done taking bets on politics
I bet my MAGA brother-in-law $100 on Hil to win, then the day before we doubled the bet...
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump


Wow...that is a serious offense
Luckily he doesn't do social media...otherwise I'm sure that would be posted many times in the run up to 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 01:52:30 pm
I am so blessed nobody in my family can stand him..,,
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2019, 02:48:25 pm
Glad to see that I'm not the only one who regretably married into a MAGA family.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 05:18:31 pm
I'd like to think there were a lot of people who voted for Trump on the thought "we need an outsider in there"
"we need to shake things up to get things changed in govenment" ...are now thinking 'jez, this is far worse than I expected' and not vote for trump again.


but the odds makers are already favoring trump...and I don't know if my psyche can take 6 more years of this

Why President Trump Will Likely Be Reelected, And What It Means For Global Security (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/02/26/why-president-trump-will-likely-be-reelected-and-what-it-means-for-global-security/#4dd1811c41cb)

...polls showing weak approval of the president’s performance have lulled Democrats into thinking his defeat is nearly inevitable in 2020. But Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan were both unpopular during their first terms, and then went on to score landslide victories against opponents who made the incumbent look good.

people have gotten used to Trump. He doesn’t seem as outrageous as he once did. His critics will fret that this amounts to “normalizing deviance,” but what it really shows is that two years in the nation’s top job have taken the edge off of Trump’s confrontational personality. He no longer sounds like the strident outsider he was on inauguration day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 05:34:19 pm
Well this dude works for a Republican think tank but yeah the incumbent in a good economy has an edge usually

Trump is not usually
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 05:36:05 pm
Well this dude works for a Republican think tank
not going to argue that...but I do think he makes some pretty good points that made me throw up in my mouth and have an aneurysm
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 05:43:15 pm
That’s true
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on February 28, 2019, 05:59:56 pm
this gallup poll was not comforting etiher...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247016/conservatives-greatly-outnumber-liberals-states.aspx

(https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/vbxijunpyuoyr2wdggsc3g.png)

I think I need to Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the MAGA
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 06:09:02 pm
The harder we accept things are going to be to unseat Trump -the less delusional we are - the more the appeal of Joe Biden...


On the other hand this would seem to run counter to the motivate your base argument


It’s all about balance!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2019, 06:42:54 pm
The harder we accept things are going to be to unseat Trump -the less delusional we are - the more the appeal of Joe Biden...


On the other hand this would seem to run counter to the motivate your base argument


It’s all about balance!

Biden/Harris?

Biden is so old i can't imagine him being more than a one-termer...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 06:48:45 pm
Ticket speculation is not serious...let them run the campaign and then we talk


Also when was the last time anyone successfully handed off the presidency to their VP after one term?

It just doesn’t work like that in the real world
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 28, 2019, 10:16:38 pm
Well this dude works for a Republican think tank
not going to argue that...but I do think he makes some pretty good points that made me throw up in my mouth and have an aneurysm

We also have no idea what two years of investigation will do to Trump.  It absolutely hammered Clinton and she didn't even have real skeletons. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:20:19 pm
I think we know it will do nothing

Be realistic....wishful thinking isn’t going to defeat him

If I had a nickel for every person that told me he would be impeached or resign cause he didn’t enjoy being president...

His popularity has held steady through 5643 scandals
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 28, 2019, 10:32:06 pm
I think we know it will do nothing

Be realistic....wishful thinking isn’t going to defeat him

If I had a nickel for every person that told me he would be impeached or resign cause he didn’t enjoy being president...

His popularity has held steady through 5643 scandals

It's not about him being impeached, resigning, just his popularity being suppressed.    With the House the Dems can set the narrative rather than just react to Trump's tweets all the time. I think it will have an impact.

Hillary had high approval numbers and Benghazi definitely stuck to her after a while, even if it was subconscious. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on February 28, 2019, 10:36:17 pm
But Trump’s approval is always the same give a few points here or there no matter what happens....that’s my point

We have had dozens of things happen that are insane and it doesn’t move the needle

Do you think the Kushner security clearance will have any impact? Of course not...it’s all baked in...everyone knows he is a slime bag lying piece of shit but nobody cares...his supporters like him
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on February 28, 2019, 10:49:12 pm
But Trump’s approval is always the same give a few points here or there no matter what happens....that’s my point

We have had dozens of things happen that are insane and it doesn’t move the needle

Do you think the Kushner security clearance will have any impact? Of course not...it’s all baked in...everyone knows he is a slime bag lying piece of shit but nobody cares...his supporters like him

There is a set of people that are always going to like him.  You are just hoping to knock off two or three percent overall. 

There's never been focused attention on any one scandal.  We just spin from one to the other because he controls the narrative and he thrives on chaos.  Dems get to try to put some order to the narrative.  Might do nothing to him, but I think it might.

And while I actually think nepotism could be damaging to him, it isn't going to be something like Kushner's security clearance.  It is more likely to be shady connections to the Saudi's, or the Russians, that get fleshed out.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on March 01, 2019, 12:04:16 am
did Bloomberg get things done?  did he manage a city that is so damn hard to tangle down in a single sentence?  did the man have the respect?  can Bloomberg be our next president?

the, end.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 04, 2019, 11:10:52 pm
I had a dream of beato putting a half-pipe in the rose garden

and Hickenlooper might put one of these (https://cdn.instructables.com/FYJ/26VS/G79DOS5U/FYJ26VSG79DOS5U.LARGE.jpg) in the lincoln bedroom

and Bill Weld is going to try to take trump out in the primaries...bold, but up hill with 80% approval by republicans
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 05, 2019, 05:24:37 pm
Predictably no Bloomberg run
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 05, 2019, 05:28:44 pm
Predictably no Bloomberg run
I like the guy, but don't think he has any appeal in red states at all....

but his money and influence should help
Mr. Bloomberg also expects to be heavily involved in the 2020 general election, organizing and funding opposition to Mr. Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 05, 2019, 05:37:12 pm
He has very little appeal....and he would have only hurt a Biden run...

Everything indicates Biden will run but the hatred and resistance from the progressive wing of the Democrats is pretty astounding....reminds me of how the same people acted with respect to HRC...worrying
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 05, 2019, 05:47:24 pm
I know it sounds silly, but Biden is the king of the gaffe and there are probably 100 incidents of him saying something wrong and looking stupid

if he runs, we are going to learn about every single time he mispoke and the are going to grill that in to the public
"would you want Biden to be in charge of the nuclear codes when he can't even remember his wife's name"

I do agree that the progressive wing of the Democrats may determine the loser of 2020 over anything that trump does


Kinda forgot that Garcetti and Holder also dropped out
sooo much time before the primaries, I think it's foolish to announce early
Unless you have zero name recognition, it just puts a target on you for a longer period of time


This Axios (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-candidates-announce-running-15472039-9bf49de4-351a-46b3-bdde-b980947b21ea.html) page is pretty good to keep tabs on who is running or not

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 05, 2019, 05:49:11 pm
Gaffes? Trump is President!!

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 05, 2019, 05:56:28 pm
I don’t see the gaffes as an issue as much as some people wishing to judge an entire life in public service by the “woke” standards of 2019....standards more than half the country doesn’t share
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 05, 2019, 05:58:51 pm
Gaffes? Trump is President!!
not going to argue that...but those people find those as 'endearing qualities' on trump and the sign of satan on democrats
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 05, 2019, 06:07:48 pm
I don’t think so...I think democrats just roll over and are weak...like with Franken

I really don’t think most people care if he calls Pence a great guy


Only the “woke” wing of the Democratic Party does...and thanks to them HRC is not president
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 07, 2019, 01:37:28 pm
Sherrod Brown not running

If Biden runs in the primaries this is another positive for him although everyone seems to be hating on Joe....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2019, 03:24:09 pm
Sherrod Brown not running

If Biden runs in the primaries this is another positive for him although everyone seems to be hating on Joe....

Boo. I guess this makes Joe my guy.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 07, 2019, 03:27:31 pm
Sherrod Brown not running
Boo. I guess this makes Joe my guy.
ha...when I heard this on the radio, my first though was 'space will be bummed'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 07, 2019, 03:31:10 pm
Biden has become the new Hillary....very polarizing among Democrats...some of the stuff I am reading “woke democrats” saying about him is unbelievable
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on March 07, 2019, 03:32:33 pm
Gaffes? Trump is President!!

Democrats can't lower themselves to the GOP's subterranean level. I loved Franken and was hoping that he'd run for president, but dude had to go. You can't condemn Trump for his shit if you're willing to tolerate it in your own party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on March 07, 2019, 03:33:07 pm
Hutch you sure seem contemptuous of people who make ethical behavior a priority.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 07, 2019, 03:35:37 pm
The left wing of the Democratic Party is ethical? The people that support Maduro? Give me a break


They are not “ethical” just stupid
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2019, 03:36:14 pm
Gaffes? Trump is President!!

Democrats can't lower themselves to the GOP's subterranean level. I loved Franken and was hoping that he'd run for president, but dude had to go. You can't condemn Trump for his shit if you're willing to tolerate it in your own party.

Remind me what Franken was accused of and remind me what Trump was accused of, and are they equivalent behaviors?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on March 07, 2019, 03:43:44 pm
Leeann Tweeden, a radio news anchor, says Franken groped and forcibly kissed her during a USO tour in 2006, before the former comedian was a senator. She says Franken "aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth" when the pair rehearsed a skit that featured a kiss. A photo also surfaced showing Franken looking at a camera while pretending to grab Tweeden's breasts as she was sleeping while clothed. The senator apologized for the photo but said he remembered the skit incident differently.

Lindsay Menz says Franken grabbed her buttocks when the pair posed for a photo at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010. Franken later said he did not remember taking the picture but "felt badly" that Menz felt disrespected.

Two other unidentified women told HuffPost that Franken grabbed their buttocks at separate events in 2007 and 2008. One of the women says Franken suggested that he and she should go to the bathroom together. Franken said he did not remember the events and denied asking anyone to visit the bathroom with him.

Stephanie Kemplin, an Army veteran, says Franken put his hand on her breast during a USO tour in 2003. In a statement following that accusation, Franken's office said he has not "intentionally engage in" the "kind of conduct" described.

A woman described as a "former elected official in New England" told the Jezebel website that Franken tried to give her a "wet, open-mouthed kiss" during an event in 2006. The senator has not appeared to respond specifically to the allegation.

An unnamed former Democratic congressional aide told Politico that the senator tried to forcibly kiss her after he taped a radio show in 2006. She says she avoided the kiss, then heard Franken say "it's my right as an entertainer." Franken called the allegation "categorically not true."

Tina Dupuy writes in The Atlantic that Franken put his hand around her waist while the pair posed for a photo and squeezed "at least twice" during an event in 2009. The senator has not specifically responded to that allegation.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 07, 2019, 03:46:50 pm
The left is reducing Biden to a racist misogynist 47 years of public service be damned....dude is not perfect but this is embarrassing

Of course this is not surprising seeing what they did to Hillary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 07, 2019, 03:48:19 pm
No longer sure Biden will run...dude must be thinking “Fuck this shit I don’t need this...”

Too bad he represents best chance of beating Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on March 07, 2019, 03:54:31 pm
Democrats can't lower themselves to the GOP's subterranean level. I loved Franken and was hoping that he'd run for president, but dude had to go. You can't condemn Trump for his shit if you're willing to tolerate it in your own party.
You've just joined Gillibrand on Hutch's hissyfit list.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 07, 2019, 03:57:50 pm
Gillibrand is a hypocrite...called for Franken to resign but for Justin Fairfax said she wanted an investigation


Let’s face it: Gillibrand saw an opportunity to get rid of a competitor and took it

She has always been a political opportunist

Anyways she has no chance and Franken is done so let’s argue about how Biden is a misogynistic racist
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on March 07, 2019, 04:04:16 pm
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for and I just got his personal email address. (It’s an AOL account 😂).

What do I do with this information?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 07, 2019, 04:22:06 pm
(It’s an AOL account 😂).
I can not tell you how many Small Business Owners, whose businesses are doing in the multi million in revenue still use AOL as their primary form of communication with their clients and the public

crazy
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2019, 04:29:04 pm
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for and I just got his personal email address. (It’s an AOL account 😂).

What do I do with this information?

Send it to Weight Watchers?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 07, 2019, 05:12:39 pm
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for
Kinda waiting for Yada to Doxx julie on this....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 07, 2019, 05:21:38 pm
I wanted to announce here that I am NOT running in the 2020 democratic primaries

I announced this on FB and a friend had a great tag line if I ran

Make America Skate Again!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on March 07, 2019, 05:29:05 pm
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for
Kinda waiting for Yada to Doxx julie on this....
I have three post it notes of personal info on yada, his wife, and kids. The fool posted his photo account like six months ago.

If you come at the King, you best not miss.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 07, 2019, 07:30:03 pm
Oooh. Is my file full of guacamole stained chipotle receipts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on March 07, 2019, 07:58:41 pm
Oooh. Is my file full of guacamole stained chipotle receipts?
Theres a wellness blog somewhere in it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 09:01:02 am
thoughts on these bills in NJ and WA making candidates have to show many years of tax returns to appear on the state ballot

If this passes, would they really not put him on the ballot if he doesn't show it?
I don't think the voters in those states would stand for it and it would head to the SCOTUS
which guaranteed will say "candidates don't have to show them" and just make a mockery of the whole thing

Also, haven't some people already seen them....you would have think that a leak would have happened if it was something really damaging


Edit...just learned this
Two years ago, California's Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed a similar bill that passed through both chambers there.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 13, 2019, 09:06:45 am
Never going to happen but even if it did would have no impact on result

I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jail
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 09:14:47 am
I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jail
For sure...that's why I said leak
Also didn't some congresspeople already see them? or muller?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 13, 2019, 09:17:44 am
I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jail
For sure...that's why I said leak
Also didn't some congresspeople already see them? or muller?

Come on! Do you think people can just look at the president’s tax returns and release info and nobody will be able to find out who did it?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 13, 2019, 09:33:14 am
I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jail
For sure...that's why I said leak
Also didn't some congresspeople already see them? or muller?

Come on! Do you think people can just look at the president’s tax returns and release info and nobody will be able to find out who did it?
more that there was no concrete evidence of fraud, so why kill ourselves on this topic
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 14, 2019, 12:05:09 pm
Beto is officially in...got to say I like the guy...he seems like a normal and decent person

I guess I like Biden, Harris, Klobuchar, Booker, and Beto

I also like Warren proposing actual policy

So many....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 14, 2019, 12:23:10 pm
Also buttgieg
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 14, 2019, 12:37:57 pm
Biden still in the possible camp, but with 95% likelihood 
buttgieg is exploratory (like your fav Gillibrand)


13 officially announced and we are still 11 months away from the Iowa caucus

any opinion on: Castro, Hickenlooper, and Inslee (there are things I like in all three)

I know this primary is going to be brutal as we poke each other in the eye on the way to the Nom
but I agree...I'd vote for at least 6 of these people without a doubt

I predict that Gabbard and Sanders are going to be in the final 4

We are going to have to play a fantasy Nom for cash!
question is, when does it officially start


I'm loving Axios for this new page
Everything you need to know about the 2020 presidential candidates: : Where the announced candidates stand on the issues, in under 500 words. (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-candidate-profiles1552432119-facfee57-8089-4f14-bbdf-dc44ffa0ea4a.html)

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 14, 2019, 12:41:51 pm
Oh I like Castro too despite his first name
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 14, 2019, 01:20:02 pm
Have we ever had an identical twin run for President?


Could create shenanigans!!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 14, 2019, 02:15:46 pm
Have we ever had an identical twin run for President?


Could create shenanigans!!
isn't that close to the plot line of the movie Dave
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on March 14, 2019, 02:44:08 pm
Have we ever had an identical twin run for President?


Could create shenanigans!!
isn't that close to the plot line of the movie Dave
I just read last month a longform retrospective on the film Dave which seems like a really asinine thing for someone to have written a longform article about but then again I was the one reading it so something something glass houses, stones, Leelee Sobieski.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 14, 2019, 06:34:15 pm
Who Said It: Beto O’Rourke or Phish Frontman Trey Anastasio? (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/beto-orourke-trey-anastasio-who-said-it.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 15, 2019, 08:21:25 am
^kinda click-bait if you ask me

what's with slate's new tag line “Skating By” Is a Strength
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 15, 2019, 10:10:11 am
beto is really trying to appeal to me specifically!

Beto O'Rourke Cites Minor Threat and Fugazi's Ian MacKaye as Key Influence (https://www.revolvermag.com/culture/beto-orourke-cites-minor-threat-and-fugazis-ian-mackaye-key-influence?fbclid=IwAR0YzhzbjSk16EKq9U1P4a2T1ad_Eh8_aF3hBbfHOH53PR_xkA2fRK9L5ow)


Andy B had a great one too...Beto Rocked By Scandal As High School Mixtape Appears To Include REO Speedwagon

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 19, 2019, 01:28:33 pm
I feel this is a good tactic on gun control

Dems shift strategy for securing gun violence research funds (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/434348-dems-shift-strategy-for-securing-gun-violence-research-funds?fbclid=IwAR1EGz-F9LWkyDKsEyLJuJbuDUqRfi_yAdhq4f-2EQNDfjarUJ35i1fCuyg)


While this by no means solves the problem...
that we don't have facts and research being done gives the NRA and their supporters ammunition (pun intended) to say "you are making stuff up, there are no verifiable stats on that"

Congress stopped funding gun violence research at the CDC in 1996 when it first passed the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the agency from using federal funds to advocate for gun control.

“We need to be able to guarantee to those Republicans, and those people who support gun rights, that the money that goes to CDC will be used for research and only research -- none of it will be used to lobby for gun control,” he added. “That's exactly what the Dickey amendment says.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 20, 2019, 12:53:49 pm
The Right wing media has been pushing this Ted Kopel interview and I thought the memes were fake
But Ted said it Ted Koppel on media bias against Trump (https://youtu.be/UWZtYSPyPig)


"I'm terribly concerned that when you talk about the New York Times these days, when you talk about the Washington Post these days, we're not talking about the New York Times of 50 years ago," Koppel noted to journalist and author Marvin Kalb earlier this month. "We are not talking about the Washington Post of 50 years ago. We're talking about organizations that I believe have, in fact, decided as organizations that Donald J. Trump is bad for the United States."


Few quick notes....
1. I love GGW's post and have revisited it many times!
2. I edited it for brevity
3. moved from the Prestige tv to a political thread
4. Ted obviously read this post and plagiarized GGW but extended the timelines
5. Although I do think DJT is bad for the US....regardless of the media's depiction...I form my judgement on what trump does and says, not what the NYT/Wapo says
6. lastly...come back GGW, board is a little vapid without ya

As far as the media question - I have a love-hate relationship with the media.  I consume vast quantities of it, but much of it I find flawed and rapidly getting worse. I don't think I have ever seen Fox News.  I like facts, stripped of biases.  Fox News is obviously not that.  But nobody else is anymore.  I have read the New York Times daily since I was a kid.  It used to be a great paper.  They were always left-leaning, but they kept that part to the op-ed pages.  They dealt with a lot of hard news and had great cultural coverage as well and largely succeeded in keeping the general news operation as bias-free as possible.  Today, the entire paper is wildly left-leaning.  Like the Washington Post, business concerns pushed them to make a conscious decision to abandon generalism and gear the paper toward its base - A very liberal and cosmopolitan readership.  I've been thinking of canceling my subscription for years, but just can't do it after it being a daily touchstone for 40+ years.  But the NY Times is regularly awful now.
 Like I said, I have a love-hate relationship with the media.  I still love it enough that I gorge on it, but I really hate it because I feel like there are no high quality generalist news sources left. 20 years ago (maybe even more recently) I felt like reading the New York Times gave me an excellent, largely bias-free handle on what's going on in the world.  Back then, even the Washington Post was half decent (emphasis on "half").  Today, I don't feel like there are any truly non-biased sources left out there.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 20, 2019, 02:14:29 pm
This guy is going to make Biden and Bernie look like Spring chickens.

https://spectator.us/mike-gravel-2020-rock/

Some classic tweets:

To Minnesota senator Amy Klobuchar, he wrote ‘.@amyklobuchar it’s hard to fight the big tech firms that abuse American workers when you also like to abuse American workers’.

And he’s not afraid to point out pandering hypocrisy either: ‘#KillerKamalaHarris just came around to supporting marijuana legalization, even though she smoked it herself in college. Meanwhile, I’ve served as the CEO of two marijuana companies. #GravelGang #Gravel2020’

What about the front-runners, you ask? ‘i sure do hope the faucets at @JoeBiden’s house are strong, with the amount of Iraqi blood on his hands #Gravel2020 #GravelGang’.

The 2020 Democratic field pretends to progressivism, but don’t buy the lie,’ Gravel writes. ‘@KamalaHarris kept innocent men on death row. @JoeBiden voted for the Iraq War. @CoryBooker invented a drug dealer friend (and voted with Big Pharma).’
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 20, 2019, 02:25:57 pm
you have to watch Gravel's 2008 campaign ad (https://youtu.be/0rZdAB4V_j8)
guy was way ahead of his time
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 20, 2019, 09:48:03 pm
Stacey Abrams  | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 20, 2019, 10:03:42 pm
Stacey Abrams  | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)

What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 20, 2019, 10:20:05 pm
What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?
To be honest, no clue...this was the blurb
 Lead from the Outside: How to Build Your Future and Make Real Change by political leader, entrepreneur, and nonprofit CEO Stacey Abrams is the handbook for outsiders, written with an eye toward the challenges that hinder women, people of color, the working class, members of the LGBTQ+ community, and millennials ready to make change. Abrams uses her hard-won insights to break down how ambition, fear, money, and failure function in leadership, and she includes practical exercises to help you realize your own ambition and hone your skills.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 20, 2019, 11:16:51 pm
Stacey Abrams  | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)

What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?

if only we had some sort of a mechanism by which we could submit a person's name, and this mechanism would do some sort of a "search" for us, and then display a bunch of potential answers... maybe even ideally sorted by relevancy... one can only dream.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 21, 2019, 08:39:19 am
Stacey Abrams  | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)

What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?

if only we had some sort of a mechanism by which we could submit a person's name, and this mechanism would do some sort of a "search" for us, and then display a bunch of potential answers... maybe even ideally sorted by relevancy... one can only dream.

If you have to google someone's accomplishments, either they're not very accomplished or you're not very informed. I may not be woker than a barnyard rooster, but I bet I'm more informed that 95% of the population.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 21, 2019, 08:47:38 am
This may be bs but on msnbc reporting Biden is considering making Abrams his VP when he announces
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 21, 2019, 09:15:38 am
How depressing

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/21/trump-economy-election-1230495
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 21, 2019, 10:45:03 am
This may be bs but on msnbc reporting Biden is considering making Abrams his VP when he announces
could have sworn that was mentioned in this thread before

Stacey Abrams 
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 21, 2019, 03:22:48 pm
Did you guys vote yet?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 21, 2019, 03:34:21 pm
I voted a few months ago!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 21, 2019, 04:24:03 pm
Did you guys vote yet?
Doesn't post in 3 years....and this is the first foray back
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Post by: nkotb on March 21, 2019, 04:25:44 pm
I figured this was the best place to get my voting news.
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Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on March 21, 2019, 10:10:32 pm
The gay guy.  Who speaks multiple languages, and everyone thinks is so, adorable.

He wins.  His name is funny too, for being gay.  He, so wins.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 22, 2019, 10:47:00 am
The gay guy.  Who speaks multiple languages, and everyone thinks is so, adorable.

He wins.  His name is funny too, for being gay.  He, so wins.
I guess it speaks to our 'wokeness' but I think I had already read a few articles and news stories about Buttigieg
and then in one article it just said his husband blah blah blah...

It was shocking in the sense that I'd already heard a lot about him and that wasn't the headline and the only thing people were talking about (now I'm sure your news sources are slightly different)
but I'm glad that people can talk about him, his experience and his policies ....and not lead with they gay mayor from S. Bend (and has Butt in his difficult to pronounce name) 

yea people for being mature
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 22, 2019, 10:59:51 am
The first time I saw him speak (or even heard about him in general, I guess) when when he ran for DNC chair and they had an open debate in Baltimore.  I don't think it was even until recently, well after he announced his candidacy, that it was even mentioned in passing.  I'm not sure what I think of him politically (he's certainly better than fucking Beto), but I was similarly impressed that his sexuality isn't the lead story.

Semi-related, now that I have kids that are old enough to recognize the world around them, it's really cool how little they think of diversity. Granted they are growing up in a way more diverse area than I did, but it's wild that at 7 and 9 they recognize and talk about same sex couples without batting an eye.  Its really cool to see how quickly attitudes change, you know?

The gay guy.  Who speaks multiple languages, and everyone thinks is so, adorable.

He wins.  His name is funny too, for being gay.  He, so wins.
I guess it speaks to our 'wokeness' but I think I had already read a few articles and news stories about Buttigieg
and then in one article it just said his husband blah blah blah...

It was shocking in the sense that I'd already heard a lot about him and that wasn't the headline and the only thing people were talking about (now I'm sure your news sources are slightly different)
but I'm glad that people can talk about him, his experience and his policies ....and not lead with they gay mayor from S. Bend (and has Butt in his difficult to pronounce name) 

yea people for being mature
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 22, 2019, 11:17:09 am
better than fucking Beto
I think there are a lot of men and women would would like to be fucking beto...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 22, 2019, 11:22:24 am
Buttigieg is way dreamier, IMO.
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 22, 2019, 11:53:19 am
Buttigieg is way dreamier, IMO.
I'm not saying a 3-way is off the table either...but we're really getting off topic

that beto was a skater, in a band and was a hacker really ups the hotness game in my book...what whatdoikno
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 22, 2019, 11:56:13 am
Both of them are too good for this country....in terms of hotness I am with Mayor Pete and Tulsi Gabbard...maybe they could run a hot ticket
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Post by: Space Freely on March 22, 2019, 12:02:54 pm
The bi guy, Spartacus. And Rosario Dawson.

Both of them are hot AF. They're the ones in want to have a threesome with.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 22, 2019, 12:43:23 pm
So it seems if 2020 debates were turned into an orgy... we'd get a lot more people watching
Although Bernie and Biden are not invited


I think this is a good thing
VICE: 2020 Democrats are dropping like flies from pro-Israel AIPAC conference.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/8xyj5a/2020-democrats-are-dropping-like-flies-from-pro-israel-aipac-conference

But not sure the public agrees and I am sure faux news is going to shout this from the mountaintops
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Post by: sweetcell on March 22, 2019, 12:48:35 pm
^ unfortunately that just feeds trump's "democrats are anti-semites" narrative.
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Post by: nkotb on March 22, 2019, 12:49:36 pm
He's going to say it whether they attend or not, so who gives a shit?

EDIT: and also its good as hell

^ unfortunately that just feeds trump's "democrats are anti-semites" narrative.
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 22, 2019, 01:05:36 pm
EDIT: and also its good as hell
wait...I thought jews don't believe in Hell?  (said by a JINO...jew in name only)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 22, 2019, 01:14:18 pm
^ unfortunately that just feeds trump's "democrats are anti-semites" narrative.
exactly my point...what is the irony of it Jews overwhelmingly vote for Democratic Presidential candidates
Jexodus is their latest line of lies

We all know why the GOP loves Israel...and it's not because of the Jews there (although they are pretty conservitave there) it's because the jews need to be in Israel for end-times baby!

As a Jew I'm sick and tired of the narrative that if you are critical of anything Israel does...you are an anti-semite
not f'n true.  We should always be critical of a State no matter who it is...even our own government

but different story when it's  of a race/creed/color/gender/sexual orentiation..and dare I say religion (although I'm vehemently anti-organized religion)
off the table...unless they are committing crimes, none of those categories should be protection for the rule of law


edit...from the A-holes over at the Heratige Found
https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/making-sense-jewish-liberalism
At the outset, perhaps we should ask: Just how liberal is the Jewish community? Shall we say, ex- ceedingly? Shall we say, devoutly? It's a cliche that is nonetheless true that Jews have the incomes of Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans. -- Ruth Wisse, professor of Yiddish literature at Harvard, writes: "Jews are associated with liberal-ism the way the French are associated with wine: It is considered native to their region." Excepting blacks, Jews are the most liberal demographic group in the population.
lot to unpack there...but the article goes to lenghts to quote jews saying really offensive things
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 22, 2019, 02:08:02 pm
About that exodus: Some 79 percent of Jews voted for Democrats in last year’s midterm elections, according to exit polling data, up from the 71 percent who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and the 69 percent who voted for Barack Obama in 2012. And Jews take a dim view of Mr. Trump, according to a 2018 Gallup poll that found that just 26 percent of Jews approved of the president’s performance, the lowest of any major religious group.

Should we create a rule that you're not allowed to talk about Jexodus without posting a photo of Elizabeth Pipko in her lingerie, since that's all the attention she wanted anyway?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on March 22, 2019, 02:11:19 pm
Sheldon Adelson is going to reward Trump for moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights- I think- with at least $50 million...maybe $100 million
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 22, 2019, 02:33:13 pm
Should we create a rule that you're not allowed to talk about Jexodus without posting a photo of Elizabeth Pipko in her lingerie, since that's all the attention she wanted anyway?

i had no idea "jexodus" was a widely used term, and i had no idea who Elizabeth Pipko was. 


so i image-searched "Elizabeth Pipko lingerie".  my day got better.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 22, 2019, 02:35:13 pm
so i image-searched "Elizabeth Pipko lingerie".  my day got better.
I was coming back here to thanks Smakie for that too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: challanged and calloused on March 22, 2019, 02:41:29 pm
so i image-searched "Elizabeth Pipko lingerie".  my day got better.
I was coming back here to thanks Smakie for that too

Spent some time there yesterday....quality stuff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on March 22, 2019, 02:43:18 pm
i had no idea "jexodus" was a widely used term, and i had no idea who Elizabeth Pipko was.

Context is important. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/politics/swimsuit-model-trump-jews.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 26, 2019, 02:00:51 pm
oh these headlines are getting depressing

Trump just got re-elected

Liberal obsession with the Mueller probe has gifted Trump the moral high ground and electoral momentum (https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/trump-elected-190326083105913.html)

this line is the zinger...
With few exceptions, America's liberal intelligentsia - in and outside the corporate media - always preferred to believe that one Russian was responsible for the election of a fascist, rather than 43 million Americans.

That's what concerns me the most...if for some bizarro reason we get rid of trump...what about these 43 million who thinks he walks on water


(https://media1.tenor.com/images/4ca2b3f282027a05edda655054eac37c/tenor.gif?itemid=4958773)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 26, 2019, 02:15:31 pm
jeebus.  election is a year and a half away, and the electorate has the memory of a mentally deficient goldfish.  so much can, and will, happen - mueller will be one of twenty different threads trump & the dem nom will be pulling at...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 26, 2019, 02:24:13 pm
Hey #allgoldfishmatter !
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 27, 2019, 12:48:43 pm
So the right is really going to try hard to make the Green New Deal look like Mao's cultural revolution

I think Mike Lee is an idiot...but he dropped some serious pop culture references on the floor of congress with this speech
https://www.facebook.com/WorldCloudLA/videos/262780134640855/?t=0

few comments
1. First recorded mention of Sharknado 4 on the floor of congress (and now a part of the record)
2. Tauntaus are NOT carbon neutral...have you smelt their farts!
3. Tauntauns are a species of snow lizard ...NOT Space Lizards as Mr Lee states
4. I don't trust the veracity of his Cow quote as he didn't have a translator with him on that visit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on March 28, 2019, 09:08:54 am
Does Bernie run this well in a train station?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKHbJEAs2D4

oh, wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syTptvcNzhQ
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 28, 2019, 12:48:35 pm
VERY COOL!!!

"Fugazi capitalism would be inclusive, consumer-friendly and ethical. It would favor the interests of small businesses over corporations. It would reject cronyism. As O’Rourke described MacKaye, he “really did represent this super-ethical way, not just of being in a band, or running a label, or putting on shows, but of just living.”

https://www.breakingviews.com/columns/cox-betonomics-would-have-certain-punk-rock-edge/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 28, 2019, 12:55:25 pm
Fugazi Captialism...I gotta imagine Ian groaned when he read that

TIL
MacKaye’s personal philosophy of not drinking alcohol or taking drugs – inspired, ironically enough, by right-wing rocker Ted Nugent’s own abstentions

Wow, I dropped the nuge twice in one day...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on March 28, 2019, 12:57:17 pm
I honestly didn't think anything would ever be worse than "Pokemon go to the polls" but this motherfucker did it!

Fugazi Captialism...I gotta imagine Ian groaned when he read that

TIL
MacKaye’s personal philosophy of not drinking alcohol or taking drugs – inspired, ironically enough, by right-wing rocker Ted Nugent’s own abstentions

Wow, I dropped the nuge twice in one day...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on March 28, 2019, 12:58:04 pm
I honestly didn't think anything would ever be worse than "Pokemon go to the polls" but this motherfucker did it!
A wild incumbent appears!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 28, 2019, 01:05:03 pm
I honestly didn't think anything would ever be worse than "Pokemon go to the polls"
no man, nothing could be worse than that...while I voted for Hill...that comment alone made her unfit to be president

TIL also
Their 1989 release “13 Songs” has since gone triple platinum.

that's impressive and gotta imagine they made a healthy profit on that since there were very few middlemen
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 28, 2019, 01:53:31 pm
this is an interesting devlopment and could tip the election a little more...
Bipartisan group introduced Puerto Rico statehood bill in Congress (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bipartisan-group-introduced-puerto-rico-statehood-bill-in-congress)
I've always thought PR should be a state...Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens since 1917!


this I had no idea of
Since 2012, the Republican Party has included Puerto Rican statehood as an official party position in their platform. The position was ratified again in the 2016 Republican National Convention when Trump was formally chosen as the party's nominee for the presidency.
“We support the right of the United States citizens of Puerto Rico to be admitted to the Union as a fully sovereign state," the official Republican platform reads.


They must have done a lot of polling/research that PR would vote GOP??!

here was a great zinger from the asshat @ 1600
“With the mayor of San Juan as bad as she is and as incompetent as she is, Puerto Rico shouldn’t be talking about statehood until they get some people that really know what they’re doing,” Trump said in a September interview.
honestly...what does one have to do with the other
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on March 28, 2019, 01:56:49 pm
zero chance of PR = state while said asshat is in the white house.  he's way too vindictive.  they hurt his feelings and called him a bad word.  because of that, no statehood for you.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on March 29, 2019, 09:10:10 am
seems appropriate here...
‘Hamilton’ Is Coming Back To The Kennedy Center In Summer 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 01, 2019, 07:38:08 pm
I know one guy Hutch could get behind..

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comey-2020-former-fbi-director-teases-run-over-twitter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 01, 2019, 07:41:06 pm
Comey ensured Trump won.....Mueller got him re-elected


So much for the “deep state”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 01, 2019, 08:14:42 pm
If ever we needed Julian For The Future, it’s now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 02, 2019, 08:19:28 am
it just keeps getting darker....

I guess if you are going to be “the party of healthcare,” you should probably put someone who is already good a medicare fraud to head it up

"they are going to come up with something really spectacular"
hmm...they have had a decade and have zero to show for their 'plan'

I just can't take the news anymore, it is so freaking depressing...the worst part is they pull some dick move...and then look you and smile
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/590baca41400001f00f8b512.jpeg?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)
Trump is a disaster, but the party enabling him is really the problem and I hope we find a way to hold them accountable in the end
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 02, 2019, 09:04:41 am
I feel the same; best to try and limit one’s news intake...

problem aren’t as much Trump or the Republicans but the deplorables

Mueller report marks a before and after
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 02, 2019, 09:23:16 am
If anything, it was people like Rachel Maddow whipping everyone into a lather about Trump being a spy that's going to get him re-elected.
 Everyone went all in on something that didn't even add up and in the end just gave these scumbags more "fake news, media is the enemy" ammo.  Not Mueller's fault he didn't prove that Trump, the dumbest fucking man alive, was a Russian agent. 

Comey ensured Trump won.....Mueller got him re-elected


So much for the “deep state”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 02, 2019, 10:06:07 am
Right blame the “liberal media”



I just don’t agree at all with you...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 02, 2019, 11:12:20 am
This is a guy who does LITERAL financial crimes in front of us, has a history of doing actual financial crimes in the past, is an admitted sex pervert, backs almost exclusively polices that are unpopular by the vast majority of this country, and has no problem propping up actual nazis and white supremacists, and the media decides to focus on the hail mary that this insane dipshit who isn't clever enough to not tweet every thought that runs through his dying brain is somehow a Russian agent? Ok!

Right blame the “liberal media”



I just don’t agree at all with you...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 02, 2019, 11:14:41 am
This is a guy who does LITERAL financial crimes in front of us, has a history of doing actual financial crimes in the past, is an admitted sex pervert, backs almost exclusively polices that are unpopular by the vast majority of this country, and has no problem propping up actual nazis and white supremacists, and the media decides to focus on the hail mary that this insane dipshit who isn't clever enough to not tweet every thought that runs through his dying brain is somehow a Russian agent? Ok!
Look, I hate Hutch as much as the next person, but, at most, only 80% of that is true about him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 02, 2019, 11:15:18 am
I've been away for a while...did he take an alt-right turn?

This is a guy who does LITERAL financial crimes in front of us, has a history of doing actual financial crimes in the past, is an admitted sex pervert, backs almost exclusively polices that are unpopular by the vast majority of this country, and has no problem propping up actual nazis and white supremacists, and the media decides to focus on the hail mary that this insane dipshit who isn't clever enough to not tweet every thought that runs through his dying brain is somehow a Russian agent? Ok!
Look, I hate Hutch as much as the next person, but, at most, only 80% of that is true about him.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 02, 2019, 11:18:35 am
I've been away for a while...did he take an alt-right turn?

(http://[url=https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg[/url])
(http://[font=Verdana][size=78%][url=https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg[/url][/size][/font])(https://i.imgur.com/PWNWnLY.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 02, 2019, 06:49:48 pm
Moving here so sidehatch doesn't stunner me.

I didnt ask about winning... I asked about loving a politician. Not the same thing.

I can rattle off reasons I love the Jesus Lizard or the Butthole Surfers without thinking they'd get into the RNR Hall of Fame. Even though both they should.

If I can ask...what do you "love" about Buttigieg and Beto?  Like, what specific policies or stances do those guys have that you love?  My gut is that people generally just like how those guys make them feel inside, but maybe I'm wrong? I don't really know about Buttigieg Boys or Beto Brahs to ask, but that's the vibe i get from Facebook.

It just seems weird to me to put Warren ("a ton of serious policy proposals") and Sanders ("would try to do things I love") in the same sentence if that's the case. Maybe it's not and those guys have really good policies that people love that I don't know about. I'm dumb!

you still think policy positions win presidential elections?  how quaint.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 03, 2019, 12:37:52 am
I'm calling it, Biden ends up in the Belly up thread by the end of April

I do like the guy, but I don't believe he is the Dems only hope for getting that swath of PA, MI WI
Sucks to get picked off early, but they are running out of slots for the two debates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 03, 2019, 08:30:48 am

I guess if you are going to be “the party of healthcare,” you should probably put someone who is already good a medicare fraud to head it up

We know Mitch is only doing this as they don't want to be seen as taking away peoples health care until After the 2020


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) shut the door Tuesday on any possibility that the Senate would move legislation to replace the Affordable Care Act before the 2020 election.


Ha...this Headline is exactly what I was saying
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/zmaa9j/trump-says-the-gop-will-definitely-be-the-party-of-healthcare-just-not-until-2021

Didn't realize he'd said this already..Trump wrote in a tweet late Monday night. “Vote will be taken right after the Election when Republicans hold the Senate & win back the House.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 03, 2019, 10:58:37 am
made me chuckle...the Right-Meme machine is on full bore with this Biden stuff
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56236306_10155956714721671_5796395422100488192_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=946c7b464d0bf41040b13b318dccda6c&oe=5D383F0B)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55882335_1583645285102836_5979761225372794880_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=6c3c75a87f6725392253ead0caac4aad&oe=5D02E1F7)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2019, 01:47:38 pm
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 03, 2019, 02:36:59 pm
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.

Is he known to have had a checkered past? Or is the thought here that because he's gay, there must have scandalous pix?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 03, 2019, 03:14:55 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 03, 2019, 03:22:26 pm
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.
This would've maybe been passable funny if you named him Mayor Butt-Plug, playing off the hyphenated last name stereotype. Maybe.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2019, 03:33:57 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.

And as a Kinsey 3 who has played for both teams, I can say from experience that the gays are far more perverted on average than the straights. Not that that's a bad thing.

P.S. Nothing wrong with a good buttplug either.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2019, 03:37:50 pm
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.

Is he known to have had a checkered past? Or is the thought here that because he's gay, there must have scandalous pix?

I was on another message board and there was speculation that pics would come out at some point. That said, he didn't come out until June 2015 when he was already mayor. So maybe he was so deep in the closet that he didn't associate with any events where scandalous pics may have been taken.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 03, 2019, 04:21:21 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.

And as a Kinsey 3 who has played for both teams, I can say from experience that the gays are far more perverted on average than the straights. Not that that's a bad thing.

P.S. Nothing wrong with a good buttplug either.

dude . . . men are the fucking perverts in all equations.  speak, the fucking truth.

guuurrrlll
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 03, 2019, 04:30:38 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.


So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 03, 2019, 04:35:32 pm
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug.
I mean, would you really want to put money on that?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2019, 04:42:45 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.

And as a Kinsey 3 who has played for both teams, I can say from experience that the gays are far more perverted on average than the straights. Not that that's a bad thing.

P.S. Nothing wrong with a good buttplug either.

dude . . . men are the fucking perverts in all equations.  speak, the fucking truth.

guuurrrlll

I've met a few perverted women in my time, but in general your statement is highly true.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 04, 2019, 10:28:57 am
Almost like Trump would love to run against Biden...

"President Donald Trump said Tuesday that former Vice President Joe Biden is “being taken care of pretty well by the socialists,” suggesting that a recent wave of criticism of the potential 2020 presidential candidate is the product of attacks hatched by his own party’s left wing."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/03/trump-biden-accusations-1251003
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 04, 2019, 12:58:12 pm
Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) announced he is running for president. (the 17th candidate)
A lifelong Rust Belt native
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2019, 01:13:48 pm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7886/47536697881_d046cd7ecb_o.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 01:31:05 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.


So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.

I have an answer to this one finally. I've been a champion of gay rights for 30+ years, arguing in favor of gay marriage and equal rights long before Tulsi Gabbard or Barack Obama were gay-friendly.. As a single person, i led a free spirited life where gender lines were blurred. I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile. I would call him that no matter what his gender or sexual preferences were. If anything, my using it proves I have a Beavis and Buttplug juvenile mentality, which i understand doesn't appeal to some adults. But for you to say it's "homophobic"  for anybody to say it just shows that you're one of those politically correct idiots who are unable to see anything any way other than via your lazily defined black and white rules. In that respect, you're no different than a fundamentalist religious idiot.

I would also argue that it would be worse if Trump said it compared to me saying it, because the POTUS should be held to higher standards when it comes to juvenile behavior than some guy on an internet message board.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2019, 01:40:40 pm
Yes, you're right, I am the one to blame for you denigrating somebody as Mayor Buttplug because he's gay. I am certain that if Kamala Harris' last name was Buttigieg, you would have called her Queen Buttplug.

Except that lol no of course you wouldn't. But you go ahead and attack me for what you said, sweetie. That's a nice boy.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on April 04, 2019, 01:43:17 pm
Congressman Eric Swalwell (CA-15) Is Running for President on Gun Safety (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/eric-swalwell-says-gun-safety-must-be-top-2020-issue/586483/)

On Twitter, Swalwell posted a voicemail (https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1113498287850627074) that he says he received at his office, with a man angrily screaming about his position on guns and threatening to kill him. “I’m not afraid of this guy,” Swalwell wrote. “I’m not afraid of the NRA. I’m not afraid. No fear.”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 04, 2019, 01:48:55 pm
I still maintain the buttplug joke is funnier if its hyphenated but this is apparently my mountain to die upon alone.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 01:53:19 pm
Yes, you're right, I am the one to blame for you denigrating somebody as Mayor Buttplug because he's gay. I am certain that if Kamala Harris' last name was Buttigieg, you would have called her Queen Buttplug.

Except that lol no of course you wouldn't. But you go ahead and attack me for what you said, sweetie. That's a nice boy.

If Kamala Harris were named Buttigieg, of course I'd call her Buttplug. As it is, she's named "Kamala" so I call her "Kamala the Ugandan Giant."

Which in my juvenile, I have a 12 year old at home who I make stupid butt and pop culture jokes with brain, is funny.

 But of course in your self-righteous, woke cuz it helps me get laid, politically correct world, it makes me a racist.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on April 04, 2019, 01:54:17 pm
I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile.

Solid argument here.  I take shits, so therefore I am entitled to call people pieces of shit because I'm being playful and juvenile, their thoughts and concerns be damned.

All this is was an exercise on Rhett wanting us to know that he used buttplugs once and flirted with men.  When we all didn't bite the first time he mentioned it, he raised the stakes and got everyone's attention.  I still don't care.  Golf clap.... 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 04, 2019, 01:54:38 pm
He is still a little green but I like him

I like them all except one or two and they would all be better than Trump


I just think Biden has a better chance to beat Trump than a thirty something Mayor from South Bend etc...I mean decades of experience as a Senator and being VP for 8 years should be a plus...it is for me....but it seems a lot of the Democratic Party would rather have a socialist or a minor local Texas pol
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 01:55:13 pm
I still maintain the buttplug joke is funnier if its hyphenated but this is apparently my mountain to die upon alone.

I'm not necessarily opposed to your point. When I am saying the name verbally, do I pronounce the hyphen?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 01:58:43 pm
He is still a little green but I like him

I like them all except one or two and they would all be better than Trump


I just think Biden has a better chance to beat Trump than a thirty something Mayor from South Bend etc...I mean decades of experience as a Senator and being VP for 8 years should be a plus...it is for me....but it seems a lot of the Democratic Party would rather have a socialist or a minor local Texas pol

It's kind of funny that I'm politically aligned with Hutch and married to a Bernie bro.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 04, 2019, 02:29:24 pm
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.


So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.

I have an answer to this one finally. I've been a champion of gay rights for 30+ years, arguing in favor of gay marriage and equal rights long before Tulsi Gabbard or Barack Obama were gay-friendly.. As a single person, i led a free spirited life where gender lines were blurred. I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile. I would call him that no matter what his gender or sexual preferences were. If anything, my using it proves I have a Beavis and Buttplug juvenile mentality, which i understand doesn't appeal to some adults. But for you to say it's "homophobic"  for anybody to say it just shows that you're one of those politically correct idiots who are unable to see anything any way other than via your lazily defined black and white rules. In that respect, you're no different than a fundamentalist religious idiot.

I would also argue that it would be worse if Trump said it compared to me saying it, because the POTUS should be held to higher standards when it comes to juvenile behavior than some guy on an internet message board.

the problem here is lack of context.  yes, if we all knew in advance of space's experiences and positions, maybe we could have rolled with it.  but we don't know that, so the initial impression will be one of offence and there isn't much you can do to change that impression (space's reputation for trolling doesn't help).

hypothetical: i make a seemingly racist comment about an african-american candidate.  folks would be justified in calling me out for my racist statement.  following it up with tales of how i got a minor in african-american studies, i've marched for affirmative action, i've had numerous black girlfriends, everyone should just lighten up, etc. won't do much to change the mind of those who saw my comment in a vacuum.  my reputation as a shit-stirrer wouldn't help, either.


this brings up a topic i've been struggling with, in these times of #metoo, wokeness, political correctness, etc.: are minorities and vulnerable groups above criticism?  Ilhan Omar got in trouble for implying that US support of Israel is directly related to the influence of jewish money.  but is anyone denying that politicians are influenced by money, and that there are various pro-Israel lobbies that are doing what lobbyists do: throw around money?  is anyone getting up in arms about the NRA or Big Pharma using money to influence policy? (no, folks are upset about the policy positions they are pushing - not the mere fact that those groups and money were mentioned in the same sentence).  there are some ugly, ugly stereotypes regarding jews and money that ought to be condemned... but does that mean we can never talk about how jewish lobbies use money?  so they get a permanent free pass?  is there a right way to bring this up without coming across as insensitive, racist, etc.?  i wouldn't be surprised if i'm missing the point here, folks are encouraged to enlighten me.


TL;DR: we're all jerks.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 04, 2019, 02:32:54 pm
Let's all just agree to do 5 Julians For The Future and 1 Our Father as penance and call it a day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 04, 2019, 02:34:25 pm
Wait a minute: Space is gay and married to a Bernie Bro?!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 02:43:00 pm
Good points by Sweetcell and if I weren't waist deep in some programming difficulties, I might tackle them.

To me, calling someone a "Buttplug" isn't homophobic. Regardless if the person being called that is gay or not gay. Straight people, bi people, and gay people engage in butt play, sometimes with buttplugs. To associate the word with gays specifically seems to be stereotyping on Relaxer's part. It's juvenile, bot not homophobic.

And to me, it doesn't matter who is dong the namecalling. Calling someone a "Buttplug" is just not homophobic in my book. Seeing two guys holding hands and then beating the shit out of the guys while calling them "Buttplugs" in my estimation IS homophobic. Not the calling them "Buttplugs" part, but the beating the shit out of them part. Which of course I would condemn.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2019, 02:45:26 pm

TL;DR: we're all jerks.

That was a pretty good post, but to end with we're all jerks is kind of like Trump saying there were some very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Space did his homophobic asshole schtick and I called him out on it. He responded by saying that I'm being a politically correct idiot and a fundamentalist religious idiot, which is exactly what Trump would say. So the lesson from Space is, "when I'm making my hilarious homophobic or racist jokes, you're being a fragile snowflake if it bothers you and here's my progressive resume that I'll dick-wave around."

But yeah, we're both to blame here. I'll be a SJW and Space can be a toxic piece of shit. And I doubt anybody would argue with that.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2019, 02:46:46 pm
Oh phew, the straight white man doesn't think something is homophobic. I'm sure gay people around the world are thrilled to hear that you've straightened this up for them and that they have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 02:55:40 pm

TL;DR: we're all jerks.

That was a pretty good post, but to end with we're all jerks is kind of like Trump saying there were some very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Space did his homophobic asshole schtick and I called him out on it. He responded by saying that I'm being a politically correct idiot and a fundamentalist religious idiot, which is exactly what Trump would say. So the lesson from Space is, "when I'm making my hilarious homophobic or racist jokes, you're being a fragile snowflake if it bothers you and here's my progressive resume that I'll dick-wave around."

But yeah, we're both to blame here. I'll be a SJW and Space can be a toxic piece of shit. And I doubt anybody would argue with that.

How is calling someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" homophobic?

 It's asshole like you who are going to get Trump re-elected.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 04, 2019, 03:15:49 pm
um relaxer...you need to relax

Quote
Ilhan Omar got in trouble for implying that US support of Israel is directly related to the influence of jewish money.
as with much things...this is nuanced
but, I'm totally with you
1. I think Israel and Jewish people in general are great...but the are not above reproach and criticism.  For some reason we are in this place where any commentary is Anti-Semitic and it's BS.  I think they have some very Right-Wing policies I don't agree with, I am very opposed to their settlement/occupation tactic and think that the Israel Lobby exerts power on congress I would say is greater than the NRA as they greatly influence both sides.

2. Omar is a target for a long list of things (mostly from the right):  a woman, a monitory, Somalian born immigrant who was granted Assulym ...and most importantly a visible (hijab) member of a religion that the right/faux news has labeled that every member is a terroists:
“Fox & Friends,” co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed in 2010 that “all terrorists are Muslims.”
“Muslim immigration means more Islamic terrorism,” said Pamela Geller on Sean Hannity’s show in 2017.
 Fox News’ perpetuation of anti-Muslim hysteria include pushing the conspiracy that Sharia, a religious framework that Muslims adhere to in everyday life, is set to take over the U.S. government and replace it with a violent, backward legal framework. (No national Muslim organization has ever called for Sharia to supersede American courts. In fact, the sheer idea goes against how Sharia actually works.)
 Newt Gingrich said “test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported,” as he told the network’s Sean Hannity.


I mean it's one thing for some white person to criticize Israel....but a African American Muslim woman in congress...time for the pitchforks

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 04, 2019, 03:35:49 pm
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 04, 2019, 03:40:40 pm
Fingers crossed I didn't miss a Julian's America post about them when I was on board hiatus

I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 04, 2019, 03:52:58 pm
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2019, 03:58:32 pm
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".

Here's a good one. Note: Surprisingly fairly safe for work. Note #2: I am not at work today.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/GEA27G36B/drumpf-plug?optionId=59356798&li=more-from-shop
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 04, 2019, 04:06:48 pm
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".

It sounds kind of scary....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 04, 2019, 07:44:35 pm
definition of a butt plug . . . about eight inches.  try it; you'll agree.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 05, 2019, 12:28:13 pm
you really think the liberals with all their tattoos and macbook pros would be better at the meme game....but this one made me chuckle

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56374413_10157042811052429_2193997529635356672_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=7b3f51d7b8f1b24086794d32db7cff7f&oe=5D07FD29)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 08, 2019, 08:35:23 am
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
 PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 08, 2019, 10:25:56 am
Ok...good response to the previous post

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56281633_10215629863392993_5215229073562796032_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=3e4888f221824102c2085acdb220ce0f&oe=5D419995)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 08, 2019, 01:16:28 pm
heck...why stop at felons who did their time from voting...
Bernie Sanders: Felons should be able to vote while in prison

this is not going to be an issue that most people can get behind
I think it would be easy to paint dems as 'doing what ever they can do to win' rather then helping out those who did their time
unlike the GOP tactics which are close to criminal and definitely in the spirit of cheating to win

but I did learn this Vermont and Maine are the only states to allow felons currently serving their sentences to vote.
and didn't know the actual details on this until today Voting rights in 36 states and the District of Columbia are restored to felons after they’ve completed the sentences, with the laws varying to factor in parole and probation.
and that it was on the docket in Iowa
Iowa GOP Gov. Kim Reynolds is pushing for a constitutional amendment to allow convicts to have their voting rights restored after they’ve served their sentences. But last week, the Republican-controlled state-Senate torpedoed the plan, likely killing it for the year.

this to is news to me Last April, Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York signed an executive order restoring voting rights for felons on parole. And in 2016, Virginia’s governor at the time, Democrat Terry McAuliffe, took executive action to restore voting rights to former felons

Has me curious how many people have been given rights to vote since 2016...we are talking multiple millions
I know Hutch said they are not a reliable voting bloc....still a lot of citizens who just got their rights restored and may be motivated to exercise that right
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 08, 2019, 02:18:56 pm
this graph says a lot...not sure how Team trump gets minority voters...but they are running out of whites

(https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/FT_18.12.31_2020-Electorate_310px_2x1.jpg?resize=310,490)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on April 08, 2019, 02:25:03 pm
this graph says a lot...

"Eligible" voters does not equal "likely" voters.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 08, 2019, 04:03:06 pm
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
 PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE, PETE
thank ms Hutch for this one....

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56414030_379960515924867_6364122762134421504_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=5d7589d64a7a1c0ceef2b1ee653b8d06&oe=5D3F9A9C)

Pete is a bad ass and speaks with eloquence...as I said before, he may not be 2020...but I predict that he will be the face of the dems in some future elections
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 08, 2019, 04:53:50 pm
look at how he holds his massive weapon . . . so, fucking, hot.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 09, 2019, 01:26:23 pm
bloomberg was out....but missed this last week

Michael Bloomberg might still run for president in 2020, especially if former Vice President Joe Biden winds up not getting in, according to people who have discussed the matter with the former New York mayor.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 09, 2019, 02:12:06 pm
this was interesting to hear on one of my favorite topics....felons in Florida

a surprising statistic about a group of people who he said leans right: felons in Florida.

"In Florida they passed a law where former felons can now vote. We've had more ex-felons register as Republicans than Democrats," Kushner told Laura Ingraham on Fox News April 1.

Ingraham interjected: "Wait, whoa, whoa. You've had more felons, ex-felons register as Republicans than Democrats?"

Kushner replied: "That's the data that I've seen. I think that will surprise a lot of people when they see the new coalition that President Trump is building for what the Republican Party has the potential to be."



let's be clear...Politifact states We found no statewide data to support Kushner’s conclusion that more ex-felons have registered as Republicans since a new law took effect. At this point in time, his comment isn’t more than wishful thinking.

Team Trump...you stay away from my felons!

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 09, 2019, 02:42:20 pm
I really like the 2020 list of candidates....but we have yet to hear something that will connect with the casual trump supporter

The Atlantic had an idea I've supported all my life (well only after I was 21 ;) )

We must champion a spirit of unity and purpose that counteracts his self-serving schemes to pit one community against the next.

We can begin by issuing a simple but powerful call:  a policy that requires all 18-year-olds to give at least six months of their life to national service. People from different walks of life, with different backgrounds, would serve with one another as a rite of passage. Once someone graduates high school or reaches college age, they would join the military, the Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, or some other service-oriented organization.


between this and National Popular Vote (with ranked choice) I think these are simple, but unifying ideas
So many good reasons for this...job training for our youth and the cross-pollination that will happen when these youth leave their hometown and see how the rest of the country lives/acts

I honestly think it could have a very transformative effect on the united states
I don't think we as Dems should run away from some of the base platforms....but all of them are wedge issues and will only scare away the independent voter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 11, 2019, 10:23:54 am
@NateSilver538

FWIW, my current thinking on the tiers in the Democratic primary, in terms of likelihood of winning the nomination. This is very rough, obviously:

Tier 1a: Harris, Biden
Tier 1b: Bernie, Beto, Buttigieg, Warren
Tier 2: Booker, Klobuchar

I don't have particularly strong feelings about the order of the candidates after that, but I suppose I'd go:

Tier 3a: Castro, Gillibrand, Inslee
Tier 3b: Yang, Hickenlooper, Ryan
Tier 4: Everyone else

Abrams would be at least Tier 2 if she ran.


Beto star seems to be fading as Buttigieg rainbow flag seems to be getting brighter
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 11, 2019, 10:52:07 am
For me -as I said the day after the 2016 election -the heavyweights are Biden and Bernie and it will be a battle to the death which will take us all with them


But I have noticed a lot of people who liked Bernie in 2016 are not as enthusiastic about his current run and Biden is also running into a lot of resistance so who knows?

I think the first debate or two could play a big role

Kamala Harris is a serious candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 11, 2019, 11:20:22 am
Biden and Bernie are going to cancel each other out as are Beto and Buttgieg. Harris and Booker will split the African-American vote and Warren and Klobuchar will split the #CancelMen vote. What are we left with? Julian For The Future.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 11, 2019, 07:18:24 pm
Going to meet Beto on Tuesday. What album is funniest if I ask him to autograph?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 11, 2019, 07:36:16 pm
Well as far as I know his band Foss put out one tape and two 45s and both are long unavailable and impossible to find so not sure what you speak of...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 11, 2019, 08:14:09 pm
Well as far as I know his band Foss put out one tape and two 45s and both are long unavailable and impossible to find so not sure what you speak of...

I always chuckle when i hear that band name for reasons i can't say.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 12, 2019, 01:03:46 am
Going to meet Beto on Tuesday. What album is funniest if I ask him to autograph?

anything by Ted Nugent would be pretty epic.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 12, 2019, 09:32:28 am
more Republicans with spines showing up!

Opposition by 4 Senate Republicans may sink Herman Cain’s chance to win seat on Fed (https://www.pressherald.com/2019/04/11/opposition-by-4-senate-republicans-may-sink-herman-cains-chance-to-win-seat-on-fed/)
Sens. Mitt Romney of Utah, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Cory Gardner of Colorado and Kevin Cramer of North Dakota all said they would oppose Cain’s appointment to the Fed. Republicans control 53 seats of the 100 chamber Senate, and losing the support of four members means Cain would need help from Democrats, which appears unlikely.

Would have never found myself liking Mitt, but so far he's been holding strong and not kissing Trumps ass
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 12, 2019, 11:10:32 am
not sure where Terry is going with this....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D34Kj6zW4AAfhlw.jpg)
then followed up with

 @TerryMcAuliffe
23h23 hours ago

If I could wrestle an 8 ft, 280 lb 🐊, I certainly would have no problem with you know who.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D34gG1eXsAAiY45.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 03:37:16 pm
Sure, Beto claims to be a punk, but Spoon just shared a video of Buttigieg playing  "The Way We Get By" on piano

https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 12, 2019, 03:44:43 pm
Sure, Beto claims to be a punk, but Spoon just shared a video of Buttigieg playing  "The Way We Get By" on piano

https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856 (https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856)

Mayor Pete Buttigieg Impressed the Hell Out of Ben Folds During a Duet in 2015 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27023806/mayor-pete-buttigieg-ben-folds-south-bend-piano-video-interview/)

Buttigieg Performed With the South Bend Symphony Orchestra in 2013 (https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/pete-buttigieg-piano/) (scroll down past the ben folds story)

apparently he plays guitar too.  overall has more music cred than beto, IMO.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 03:49:26 pm
Man, I think even Bernie has more actual music cred than Beto.

Sure, Beto claims to be a punk, but Spoon just shared a video of Buttigieg playing  "The Way We Get By" on piano

https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856 (https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856)

Mayor Pete Buttigieg Impressed the Hell Out of Ben Folds During a Duet in 2015 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27023806/mayor-pete-buttigieg-ben-folds-south-bend-piano-video-interview/)

Buttigieg Performed With the South Bend Symphony Orchestra in 2013 (https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/pete-buttigieg-piano/) (scroll down past the ben folds story)

apparently he plays guitar too.  overall has more music cred than beto, IMO.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 12, 2019, 03:55:27 pm
you guys are leaving out Hickenlooper....jams with bobby weir and others
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/coloradopolitics.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/66/d66ecf29-5de4-582a-887f-a954b6c1e10f/5b9aab8440bd8.image.jpg?resize=750%2C500)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 12, 2019, 03:59:23 pm
Beto backlash has set in now that he is not running against Cruz


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2019, 04:02:13 pm
you guys are leaving out Hickenlooper....jams with bobby weir and others
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/coloradopolitics.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/66/d66ecf29-5de4-582a-887f-a954b6c1e10f/5b9aab8440bd8.image.jpg?resize=750%2C500)

Woahhh. Bob Weir seems to be doing something different with his hair.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 12, 2019, 04:03:42 pm
that's the guy from The Fray

here we go
(https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/9959639w/99db6baa/summit-la18-los-angeles-usa-shutterstock-editorial-9959639w.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2019, 04:06:12 pm
that's the guy from The Fray

here we go
(https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/9959639w/99db6baa/summit-la18-los-angeles-usa-shutterstock-editorial-9959639w.jpg)

I think the fcucking suit disqualifies him from any chance at being cool.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 04:12:53 pm
Can't believe folks would love a guy running against the most loathsome toad in America, and then not be as enamored when he actually had to make a case for himself against actual, qualified candidates!

Beto backlash has set in now that he is not running against Cruz
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 04:13:57 pm
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 12, 2019, 04:15:56 pm
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.
yikes...that's a major blemish that I never knew about
he is a senator from Vermont...I bet he loves ben and jerry's too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 12, 2019, 04:20:59 pm
Yeah, I feel like it's probably pandering given his state, but come on, man, cut that shit out.

Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.
yikes...that's a major blemish that I never knew about
he is a senator from Vermont...I bet he loves ben and jerry's too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2019, 04:21:50 pm
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.

I think we can forgive him for that comment given that he more than makes up for it by loving Celine Dion.

Favorites
 Last year, Sanders told Rolling Stone he favors classical music: “On my iPad, I have all of Beethoven’s symphonies,” he said. In terms of pop, he championed “the Motown sound,” especially the Supremes and Temptations. Sanders confessed he loves Abba and disco (especially the Bee Gees), and Celine Dion.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 12, 2019, 04:36:03 pm
Can't believe folks would love a guy running against the most loathsome toad in America, and then not be as enamored when he actually had to make a case for himself against actual, qualified candidates!

Beto backlash has set in now that he is not running against Cruz


My sarcasm detector has gone off....


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 15, 2019, 06:52:59 am
Mayor Pete makes it official
perfect timing as a the news has been in love with him for the last few weeks
Wonder if this is the kind of love that lasts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 15, 2019, 08:30:12 am
It’s April of the year before the election which happens in November
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 15, 2019, 08:39:28 am
come on 19 months (https://countingdownto.com/?c=2442947) will seem like a week...or an eternity

first debate...June 26, 2019....and ELEVEN more after that until April 2020
going to end up being some weird debates
should probably go American Idol style where everyone texts in their vote (ranked choice of course)


then these important dates in 2020
February 3: Iowa caucus
February 11: New Hampshire primary
February 22: Nevada caucus
February 29: South Carolina primary
March 3: Super Tuesday (Alabama, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia primaries)

My first actual thing to do will be in less than 11 months (being from the fine state of VA)
so these 19 better court me with dinner and drinks before I put out...and I'm not getting the chicken!


This was an interesting note I found
The New York primary is scheduled for February 4 for procedural reasons, but its date is expected to be amended, likely to a date earlier than in past years, potentially in February or March 2020
be nice to see a state other than Iowa, Kansas, NH or SC dominate the first few primaries.  Those states represent such a skewed profile of the USA it's kind of absurd
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 15, 2019, 08:47:26 am
In ten years it will seem like it was a week but for the next 19 months it will seem like an eternity....Personally I think we could not go about the process of electing a president more wrong...

It should be regulated and take three months with a single day primary...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 15, 2019, 08:53:32 am
.Personally I think we could not go about the process of electing a president more wrong...

It should be regulated and take three months with a single day primary...
I co-sign that!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 15, 2019, 12:05:28 pm
sweet in 2020 VA now has 'no excuse' absentee voting!

https://arlingtondemocrats.org/virginia-to-offer-limited-no-excuses-early-voting-starting-with-2020-presidential-election

In 2020, registered voters can cast a ballot in the Nov. 3 election from Oct. 24-31 without providing an excuse.

Virginia is now one of only 16 U.S. states that requires an excuse to vote absentee


yes a small window, but BETTER THAN NOTHING!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 15, 2019, 12:12:56 pm
The excuse at least in Arlington was always a bit bogus like I might be visiting my sister in PA


But yeah this is good
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2019, 01:10:39 pm
be nice to see a state other than Iowa, Kansas, NH or SC dominate the first few primaries.  Those states represent such a skewed profile of the USA it's kind of absurd

don't states like Iowa and NH have "we must be first" in their state constitutions?  so if another state moves before them, they'll just move theirs accordingly to remain first... i could be wrong tho.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 15, 2019, 01:18:33 pm
be nice to see a state other than Iowa, Kansas, NH or SC dominate the first few primaries.  Those states represent such a skewed profile of the USA it's kind of absurd

don't states like Iowa and NH have "we must be first" in their state constitutions?  so if another state moves before them, they'll just move theirs accordingly to remain first... i could be wrong tho.
even more absurd...
I think there are 1 or 2 ways to do it.
Everyone does primary on the same day...
Or we do it by Time Zone, where there are 4 primaries...that way they could at least campaign regionally for that few weeks leading up to that primary

The system we have now is kinda nuts, my gripes with the Electoral College are well know...but this primary system is probably worse

I also think we should have Ranked choice voting in the primaries
there is good evidence that if the GOP had Ranked choice, Trump would have be comical reference to the 2016 campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2019, 01:41:02 pm
so i searched around and couldn't find it, but previously we discussed the possibility of "tapes" of Booty-Judge popping up and ruining his chances... well, some tapes have surfaced - but they aren't what you'd expect:

Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise)

i don't fully understand this story... sounds like he's peripheral and this won't actually touch him?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2019, 06:25:33 pm
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.

Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2019, 08:31:12 pm
so i searched around and couldn't find it, but previously we discussed the possibility of "tapes" of Booty-Judge popping up and ruining his chances... well, some tapes have surfaced - but they aren't what you'd expect:

Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise)

i don't fully understand this story... sounds like he's peripheral and this won't actually touch him?

So peripheral that i couldn't follow it. But it's Spring Break and I've had a few more than 8 ounces.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2019, 08:32:11 pm
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.

Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)

I'll register as a Republican and try to primary Trump if you guys will.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 15, 2019, 09:30:59 pm
so i searched around and couldn't find it, but previously we discussed the possibility of "tapes" of Booty-Judge popping up and ruining his chances... well, some tapes have surfaced - but they aren't what you'd expect:

Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise)

i don't fully understand this story... sounds like he's peripheral and this won't actually touch him?

So peripheral that i couldn't follow it. But it's Spring Break and I've had a few more than 8 ounces.



I am, about to start the story and I am already pissed, before I begin.  when, I go to read a fucking article, don't fucking include a stupid video.  if I want a video, i'll go to youtube. 


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 16, 2019, 07:46:47 am
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.

Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)

Hate to discourage participation on this board as it's been getting dismal at times...
but, this was mentioned a few weeks back
and you of all people I thought would have noticed a post with a sexy mash tun with wood sides

I had a dream of beato putting a half-pipe in the rose garden

and Hickenlooper might put one of these (https://cdn.instructables.com/FYJ/26VS/G79DOS5U/FYJ26VSG79DOS5U.LARGE.jpg) in the lincoln bedroom

and Bill Weld is going to try to take trump out in the primaries...bold, but up hill with 80% approval by republicans
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 16, 2019, 07:51:16 am
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.

Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)

I'll register as a Republican and try to primary Trump if you guys will.
maybe ...but I'm not signing any freaking form for the GOP
Virginia voters in GOP primary must sign statement saying they're Republican  (https://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/virginia/article_4bea8ea7-1e97-56a8-b48f-db62c80300f0.html)
Virginia voters do not register by party, and voting in primaries is open to anyone. However, state law allows a political party to request that voters sign a pledge or statement of party affiliation before casting primary ballots.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 16, 2019, 08:06:57 am
ok...funny foot note in an article about his 10 years of taxes
Sanders last year made $110 in music royalties, presumably for his 1987 folk album, "We Shall Overcome"
Hutch, do you have that on Vinyl? (actually, you probably would have burned it if you did)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 16, 2019, 08:14:20 am
ok...funny foot note in an article about his 10 years of taxes
Sanders last year made $110 in music royalties, presumably for his 1987 folk album, "We Shall Overcome"
Hutch, do you have that on Vinyl? (actually, you probably would have burned it if you did)

I have a cd.....

It’s also out on tape

No LP yet...maybe a future RSD edition out on commie red vinyl?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2019, 12:34:16 pm

Hate to discourage participation on this board as it's been getting dismal at times...
but, this was mentioned a few weeks back
and you of all people I thought would have noticed a post with a sexy mash tun with wood sides

I had a dream of beato putting a half-pipe in the rose garden

and Hickenlooper might put one of these (https://cdn.instructables.com/FYJ/26VS/G79DOS5U/FYJ26VSG79DOS5U.LARGE.jpg) in the lincoln bedroom

and Bill Weld is going to try to take trump out in the primaries...bold, but up hill with 80% approval by republicans

yesterday bill weld made it official.  there is a difference between saying you're going to do something, and actually throwing your hat in the ring.  besides, the sexiness of that MT ensured that few people made it past the image and down to your BW statement/conjecture.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2019, 12:37:09 pm
However, state law allows a political party to request that voters sign a pledge or statement of party affiliation before casting primary ballots.

"request", not "force". 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 16, 2019, 12:42:19 pm
yesterday bill weld made it official.  there is a difference between saying you're going to do something, and actually throwing your hat in the ring.  besides, the sexiness of that MT ensured that few people made it past the image and down to your BW statement/conjecture.
I stand corrected...I thought it was official on feb 15th...but it was official that an exploratory committee would be started....4/15 it was officially announced he was running

SC is already trying to make it so there will be no GOP primary
GOP is a fall in line kind of team and they are not going to put up with internal insurgency
Even if he appeals to GOP voters, the internal org is going to try to make it as difficult as possible

yeah the curves on that bad boy and the shining stainless steel do distract...almost pornographic in it's presentation
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 16, 2019, 01:23:16 pm
If ever we needed Julian For The Future, it’s now.
dude....Julian, your fundraising sucks balls...look at these others are crushing you and you have the name recognition
only bottom tier person you are doing better that is Marianne Williamson...and she's not that far behind you

I mean if you can't even keep a cool mill in your slush fund, might be time to drop out now

2. Sen. Bernie Sanders
    Cash on hand: $15,661,950
3. Sen. Kamala Harris
    Cash on hand: $8,958,124
4. Beto O'Rourke
    Cash on hand: $6,862,205
5. Pete Buttigieg
    Cash on hand: $6,405,929
6. Sen. Elizabeth Warren
    Cash on hand: $11,215,190
7. Sen. Amy Klobuchar
    Cash on hand: $6,982,373
8. Sen. Cory Booker
    Cash on hand: $6,131,010
9. Kirsten Gillibrand
    Cash on hand: $10,168,502
10. Gov. Jay Inslee
    Cash on hand: $1,412,880
11. Former Gov. John Hickenlooper
    Cash on hand: $1,335,168
12. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
    Cash on hand: $2,789,225
13. Andrew Yang
    Cash on hand: $1,151,701
14. Marianne Williamson
    Cash on hand: $549,503
15. Julián Castro
    Cash on hand: $677,654

16. Former Rep. John Delaney
    Cash on hand: $10,567,864
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 16, 2019, 01:29:40 pm
I hate focusing on fundraising


Who cares?

Hillary raised way more than Trump


Howard Dean outraised everyone as did Bernie Sanders


It’s just a game political consultants and political media people play to profit and the joke is on you
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 16, 2019, 01:31:51 pm
I hate focusing on fundraising
Who cares?
I agree...was more of a dig on Jules than anything substantive
but the numbers did surprise me for some of them
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 16, 2019, 01:37:03 pm
Its not Julian For The Now, its Julian For The Future. Wait and see his bank account in 2 years.

I agree he has the best name recognition in the race.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2019, 02:03:02 pm
I hate focusing on fundraising

Who cares?

Hillary raised way more than Trump

Howard Dean outraised everyone as did Bernie Sanders

It’s just a game political consultants and political media people play to profit and the joke is on you

in this country, money is speech.  "vote with your dollars". 

fundraising is used as a proxy for polling.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 16, 2019, 02:10:12 pm
I am glad I donated a fair amount to Hillary during the presidential campaign and canvassed for her but the reality is my $ went to some political consultant’s bank account and I could have done a better job advising her..

I can sleep at night knowing I tried my hardest to help Hillary win

They WANT to convince you donating to campaigns matters so you donate...but it’s a racket
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 16, 2019, 02:13:46 pm
money isn't every thing...both Hil and Jeb can tell you from direct experience
but it's pretty much one of the most important things, without it....you are Julian for the Future

also when people donate, they put skin in the game and they they are also motivated to get others involved to get return on their investment.  I gotta imagine it motivated you a little more than before you gave

I truly wish we could take money out of politics, this citizens united and super pac crap is really a much bigger problem than grifting  money from some schmuck from Arlington that donated less than one comma for an election

but then again, what the F do I know...I post about politics on a regional music board
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 19, 2019, 10:59:43 am
mayor pete is going for the yada vote I see....

Buttigieg says he wouldn't be opposed to having Phish play at his inauguration (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439654-buttigieg-says-he-wouldnt-be-opposed-to-having-phish-play-at-his)




even better was his husbands response....

Chasten Buttigieg @Chas10Buttigieg
You spelled Beyoncé wrong

@TMZ
Pete Buttigieg Wants to Jam To Phish At His Inauguration http://tmz.me/daqk05V
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 19, 2019, 02:37:20 pm
karl rove is a Bernie Bro (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-trump-2020-karl-rove)
always suspicious when the opposition team tells you who would be the best candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 19, 2019, 03:37:31 pm
Oh yeah, agreed...any article by these chuds that give Dems "advice" should be balled up and thrown into the toilet.  But I don't see much here about wanting Bernie to win...just that he's an actual contender.

karl rove is a Bernie Bro (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-trump-2020-karl-rove)
always suspicious when the opposition team tells you who would be the best candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 19, 2019, 03:39:50 pm
  But I don't see much here about wanting Bernie to win...
you don't have to want him to win to be a Bernie Bro...get with the times man
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 22, 2019, 07:29:30 am
Rep Seth Moulton (D-MA) running...never heard of him...sounds like another total loser democrat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 22, 2019, 09:09:07 am
..never heard of him...
I've always detested this response from the cheeto and it's a common refrain (that his base eats up)

Since I haven't heard of something or someone...it must not be significant or even matter...ya know, because I know everything and if I don't know it, therefore it mustn't matter and you (my base) shouldn't worry about it at all
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 23, 2019, 09:38:49 am
I will say...while I'm totally a #ITMFA guy,
But, I think elected officials and people running for office should be careful of cries of impeachment.  The base wants it bad, but really aren't going to judge you too hard if you don't come out right now
Kamala Harris joins Elizabeth Warren in advocating for President Trump's impeachment


Patience young grasshoppers, let the committees do their work
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 23, 2019, 11:20:27 am
heck...why stop at felons who did their time from voting...
Bernie Sanders: Felons should be able to vote while in prison


Bernie Sanders says Boston Marathon bomber, sexual assaulters should be allowed to vote (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-boston-marathon-bomber-sexual-assault-should-be-allowed-vote)
these headlines are not going to help...I'm not sure I would run on this....maybe something when you do when you are elected
when they spin it like that, it's hard for voters to get behind something like that

-hatch: friend of the felons
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on April 23, 2019, 01:53:58 pm
I think we know who Carly Rae Jepsen is supporting in 2020 (https://pitchfork.com/news/carly-rae-jepsen-shares-new-song-julien-listen/?mbid=social_facebook&utm_brand=p4k&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_content=5cbc15120cef930001bcf85b&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2_PRU7AMznropMiSyi4ictscE75MMC_VoYT65dmO_Cp5Q4qXJpA42u3cI) #ForTheFuture
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 23, 2019, 03:25:02 pm
Fox News will be hosting a town hall with Mayor Pete on Sunday, May 19th.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 25, 2019, 06:33:20 am
My rep Beyer endorses Mayor Pete


As I recall he was an early endorser of Obama too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 25, 2019, 08:02:40 am
Say it ain't so Joe say it ain't so
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 25, 2019, 09:19:28 am
It’s true. I have announced my candidacy and the third time will be the charm.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 25, 2019, 09:27:37 am
My rep Beyer endorses Mayor Pete
I was a little surprised by this early announcement too
I guess we need some people to take a stand earlier than later
this wishy washy commitment from the Dems has always been a problem
We'd win elections if we'd just fall in line and do what they tell us

I think the Democratic primary should be radically changed
I think it should go Ranked Choice Voting...and get rid of this Caucus silliness

Also...it's easy to impersonate Don...how are you going to impersonate Joe?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 25, 2019, 09:31:21 am
I am in Scranton right now. You are aware that I am from Scranton “Key State to winning back White House” Pennsylvania?

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 25, 2019, 09:58:37 am
had never heard that...you are from Scranton?  for sure? 
could have sworn you were some coastal elite

Jez you went to some crap college too, could never vote for a Fighting Blue Hen.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 25, 2019, 10:02:58 am
Look folks, do you want to win or not?!?


Does anyone think Scranton Joe can’t do the job?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 25, 2019, 10:19:23 am
I don't think you want hutch anywhere near your wives, girlfriends or daughters while he "impersonates" Joe.

Also...it's easy to impersonate Don...how are you going to impersonate Joe?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 25, 2019, 11:23:19 am
Look folks, this is pretty rich stuff from a Self professed Bernie Bro...now THOSE are the guys you don’t want anywhere near a woman
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 25, 2019, 11:56:02 am
welp Joe...looks like Fox News thinks you can beat donny
 Biden's in for 2020 -- Here's why he'll make Trump a one-term president (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/leslie-marshall-joe-biden-2020-trump-president)

What I found funny is this article says Opinion ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 25, 2019, 01:11:46 pm
Joe...finding some good gifs out ther

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/xTiTnKwDwRpWumX2py/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e5224276374a77045827)(https://media0.giphy.com/media/aKTY6s2GfVjSU/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e56f4549576d366fcd14)this on cracks me up

Some cool joe spots(https://media3.giphy.com/media/d5x9BXaAsjmx2/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e66475572e616f64d7ca)(https://media2.giphy.com/media/cQTps12FQ4djO/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e684576b4c306fe9c4aa)

this kind of stuff appeals to the blue collar casual trump voter
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/RiycG61uQ9YDC/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e7b2544f59527798c233)(https://media2.giphy.com/media/EQBXzg0iZDkCA/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc1e7e17a72426a63ad029e)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on April 25, 2019, 02:23:29 pm
guys, when they get to a certain age . . . are fascinating and cliché, all at the same time.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 26, 2019, 04:19:40 pm
aaaaand the Dems have started eating their own:

Warren and Sanders pounce as Biden enters the race (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/warren-sanders-biden/index.html)

in their defense, they did give him a whole day...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on April 26, 2019, 04:27:07 pm
 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

aaaaand the Dems have started eating their own:

Warren and Sanders pounce as Biden enters the race (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/warren-sanders-biden/index.html)

in their defense, they did give him a whole day...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on April 26, 2019, 04:47:46 pm
aaaaand the Dems have started eating their own:

Warren and Sanders pounce as Biden enters the race (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/warren-sanders-biden/index.html)

in their defense, they did give him a whole day...

Isn't that what primaries are about?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 26, 2019, 05:18:40 pm
Folks, I am the front runner

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 26, 2019, 06:55:49 pm
At this point in the 2016 primary.... only Kasich, Cruz, Paul  and Rubio announced that they were running

Oh Those were halcyon days
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 29, 2019, 04:01:48 pm
I am in Pittsburgh today (that is in Pennsylvania my birth state)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 30, 2019, 09:20:46 am
Starting numbers


Me 36
Bernie 22


Rest about 10 and below


Sounds about right
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on April 30, 2019, 09:36:02 am
Another one

Me 39
Bernie 15



Folks, it’s clear only I can beat Trump...join me
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 30, 2019, 10:13:18 am
oh, so polls matter now
I'm waiting this one out Joe....let's talk around  March 2nd... 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on April 30, 2019, 01:39:51 pm
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag
I really hope he gets some jail time for this

also hearing about his fake death threats in Minn too

I think the Left should continue to bring him up as an example that Team Trump is willing to lie/cheat/break laws just so they can attempt to create fake news stories to discredit people they don't like
(I guess they'll do the #whatabout soandso and we should just ignore)

there are NOT good people on both sides...sorry, but that is a fact

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on April 30, 2019, 02:47:06 pm
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag

"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll. He was formerly an online blogger and a columnist for the website The Gateway Pundit. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)"

lol.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 01, 2019, 11:50:34 am
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag

"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll. He was formerly an online blogger and a columnist for the website The Gateway Pundit. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)"
lol.
more dirt on this dirtbag.
‘Make Sh*t Up’: Inside Jacob Wohl’s Bonkers Investment Plan - The bumbling political operative pitched investors on a scheme to use fake news stories to manipulate political betting markets for profit. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-business-plan-make-shit-up-to-game-political-betting-sites)

little annoyed he's dragging Arlinton's good name into this
The document indicates that Wohl attempted to raise $1 million to fund the Arlington Center for Political Intelligence, which he claimed would “make shit up” to profit from bets on political races and would suppress Democratic turnout in 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 01, 2019, 12:10:06 pm
As if Arlington had a good name.

I was a little annoyed that Justin Fairfax dragged the Fairfax name into his scandal.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 01, 2019, 12:43:42 pm
as if Fairfax had a good name.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 01, 2019, 01:03:23 pm
as if Fairfax had a good name.
it does not...
Fairfax depended on hundreds of slaves who worked among his 30 Virginia plantations. He was active in trading slaves and, despite his age, he proudly participated in a "little talked about" activity called "bedding down with a negro wench" for which Lord Fairfax would pay a fee to the person who supplied the "wench".
 Based on this history, some Fairfax County students are petitioning the Fairfax School Board (and pressuring others such as the Fairfax Park Department's promotion of his cartoon image to children) to drop the use of the Fairfax name and coat of arms, expressing distaste for Lord Fairfax's lifestyle and system of wealth and recognizing that it does not represent the values of the school board as detailed in its mission statement.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 01, 2019, 04:43:43 pm
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag

"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll. He was formerly an online blogger and a columnist for the website The Gateway Pundit. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)"
lol.
more dirt on this dirtbag.
‘Make Sh*t Up’: Inside Jacob Wohl’s Bonkers Investment Plan - The bumbling political operative pitched investors on a scheme to use fake news stories to manipulate political betting markets for profit. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-business-plan-make-shit-up-to-game-political-betting-sites)

"It’s not clear how Wohl, who has become notorious for failing at nearly every dirty tricks plot he hatches, would have pulled any of it off."

seems like beating up on this guy, online, is a popular sport.  more lol.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 01, 2019, 05:27:15 pm
Kamala Harris....wow
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 01, 2019, 05:50:11 pm
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 01, 2019, 06:18:19 pm
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close

I think I mentioned this as my pick 10 pages back but this guy Hutch told me to shut my trap.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 01, 2019, 06:20:23 pm
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close

I think I mentioned this as my pick 10 pages back but this guy Hutch told me to shut my trap.

You want a cookie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 01, 2019, 07:16:52 pm
Wait, are we giving out cookies?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 01, 2019, 07:32:22 pm
Wait, are we giving out cookies?

Fucking snowflakes.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 01, 2019, 07:42:46 pm
Wait, are we giving out cookies?

biden: would hand out butter cookies, the kind grandmas make and no one eats.
harris: cookies with a slightly bitter edge
warren: pretentious cookies (https://twitter.com/chalkmark/status/16137117453262848).
booker: talks so much about how great his cookies are that he never gets around to actually giving them out.
buttigieg: no one knows what's in his cookies, so caveat emptor. folks seems more worried about the cookie next to his cookie, then about the actual cookie he's handing out.
o'rourke: seems like the kind of guy who would hand out pot cookies, then get in really big trouble about it later.
castro: it's galletas, not cookies.
gabbard: we didn't have cookies in iraq, did you know that?
sanders: there are more than enough cookies for EVERYONE.  also, the cookies have too many chocolate chips, must change.
inslee: cookies cause climate change.
gillibrand: she also has cookies, but no one seems to want them.
klobuchar: her campaign has grit, and so do her cookies.  avoid.
swalwell, delaney, yang, hickenlooper, messam, ryan et al: no one has ever tried their cookies. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 02, 2019, 09:09:22 am
Wait, are we giving out cookies?
Fucking snowflakes.
little off brand man, did you forget to sign in as ratbastard
Sweets response earns a POTW

yang: his cookie has a little snipped off the top
hickenlooper: His might have been a pot cookie too...but it would have probably been made with spent grains

got no game on the others...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 02, 2019, 09:20:28 am
it's like we need a Just Announced 2020 thread  (then we'll need a dropping out of 2020 thread too)

Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) announced his 2020 presidential bid on Thursday on CBS This Morning, becoming the 21st candidate to jump into the crowded field.


yikes, not sure this is the best approach, but spot on trolling
Hillary Clinton: ‘China, if you’re listening, why don’t you get Trump’s tax returns?’

and stealing Meghan McCain's great line is appropriate here
"I'm living rent free inside of Donald Trump's brain" calling the president's ongoing fixation on her a "diversion attack." "I guess it is one of their tools to fire up their hard-core base," Clinton said.
"When in doubt, go after me


At first I kinda wanted Hil to stay out of it.  But now that she's not running and Team Trump can not stop talking about her...I think it's good to get some fresh content out there
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 02, 2019, 09:31:21 am
* turd emoji *

I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 09:28:21 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 03, 2019, 09:29:45 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....

Might as well just vote for him, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 09:34:23 am
I am not anyone but even for me it will be a tough slog.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 09:40:31 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 03, 2019, 09:58:52 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.

So if the economy is not doing well for the Trump Voter, who is it doing well for? And who is the "Trump Voter?"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 10:08:52 am
So if the economy is not doing well for the Trump Voter, who is it doing well for? And who is the "Trump Voter?"
I'll assume your response was rhetorical
but I was wrong on the low income worker...
(http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/031319indeed.jpg)
but honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 10:25:23 am
I wonder who could talk to working class folks and speak to their material needs...

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Zcd4GjKsg3nOw/giphy.gif)

Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 10:27:30 am
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President

And if you think voters will look at a growing economy and increasing take home pay and say “Yeah now is the time to try socialism...look at how well it worked in Venezuela” you are nuts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 10:49:00 am
Ah yes, that famous DC insider...Bernie Sanders

That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President

And if you think voters will look at a growing economy and increasing take home pay and say “Yeah now is the time to try socialism...look at how well it worked in Venezuela” you are nuts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 10:59:38 am
I was referring to Sidehatch

Bernie is a non-starter for too many reasons to list

He has no chance to do anything other than play spoiler at a brokered convention

It is important to recognize that in a growing economy with increasing take home pay socialism loses its attractiveness to all but the hardest supporters

But I am glad if people support the candidate that appeals to them as long as they eventually come around to reality

Trump will be almost unbeatable and democrats will need to rally around the strongest candidate to oppose him. This economic recovery began under President Obama’s administration and when the recovery is just picking up steam voters will want someone to ensure it continues not someone to blow it up and try socialism

That someone would be me


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 12:29:45 pm
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honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
So you cherry picked there...as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck

I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom...when you put it like that.  But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day...do you think they'd be excited?

These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all...typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet

I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs.  it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 12:35:12 pm
People will blame Obama for rising health care costs!!! Trump is running against the health care saying he can do something better


I am sure many lower income people have higher income even after rising health care costs...

Without me democrats are toast even with me we only have 25% chance of winning White House

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 12:53:57 pm
Right, and that's not even accounting for other social safety net benefits that are being cut or are on the chopping block by Republicans.  And honestly, only two candidates are actually talking about that stuff in tangible ways that people can relate to...Warren and Sanders (though even Warren gets muddled into too much wonk-ery sometimes).

Biden is complicit in practically every bad policy decision for the last 30 years, and all of those have made life worse for most folks in the middle class. There's no way that's not going to bite him in the ass in the primaries and beyond (which I can't see him making, but weirder things have happened).  It's the same shit with Hillary...at some point you'd think these folks would learn a lesson but maybe not!

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honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
So you cherry picked there...as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck

I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom...when you put it like that.  But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day...do you think they'd be excited?

These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all...typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet

I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs.  it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 12:56:58 pm
^This kind of idiocy gave us Trump and yet there is no learning going on....


I was VP for 8 years in an exemplary presidency but apparently am complicit in every bad thing that has happened the past 30 years.

Give me a break

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 02:24:26 pm
Joe...getting trounced by beto and tied with your bro...bernie

Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) leads President Trump by 10 points in a hypothetical general election matchup, according to a new CNN–SSRS poll.

The survey released Thursday shows O’Rourke with support from 52 percent of registered voters, compared with Trump's 42 percent. Two percent of voters said they wouldn’t support either candidate, and 4 percent said they had no opinion.

O'Rourke held the widest lead over Trump among other Democratic presidential candidates who were included in the potential matchup.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Vice President Joe Biden tied for second place behind O'Rourke, with each leading Trump by 6 points.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 02:34:52 pm
The crazy thing about Bernie people is they feel a visceral need to trash the opponent (now Biden , before Hillary)

Make a case for yourself Betnie. But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire. If he doesn’t win he is taking everybody down as he did in 2016. Except it will be worse because he knows it’s his last shot so he personally has nothing to lose.

Do Bernie supporters ever look at the Trump shitshow and say “Hey you know actually Hillary would have been so much better”

Of course not and that is how we know they lack any grasp of reality or accountability
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 02:51:44 pm
I still don't buy that Bernie is reason Trump won...but that's your hill to die on

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But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire.
that I agree with

In good news...Federal judges toss out Ohio’s congressional map as illegal gerrymander (https://www.cleveland.com/open/2019/05/federal-judges-toss-out-ohios-congressional-map-as-illegal-gerrymander.html)

Friday that Ohio’s gerrymandered congressional district map is unconstitutional, and ordered the creation of a new map in time for the 2020 election.

This is the latest in a series of decisions across the country striking down partisan maps, including in neighboring Michigan and Pennsylvania. Plus, Supreme Court rulings are pending for cases out of North Carolina and Maryland.


trump won with a 400K more votes in OH in 2016, but this should help in congress
where it helps is it brings more people to the polls who were marginalized by the gerry-mander
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 03:04:30 pm
I am sure many lower income people have higher income even after rising health care costs...
Americans have gotten $0.01 more in bonuses since Trump's tax cuts (https://www.axios.com/trump-tax-cuts-american-workers-bonuses-da262033-9c22-4243-9360-4b8fbf91ca58.html)

Big businesses promised wage hikes from Trump's tax cuts. What actually happened?
Corporations are using savings from the 2017 tax law to continue to buy back billions in stock after trumpeting employee bonuses and benefits. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/big-businesses-promised-wage-hikes-trump-s-tax-cuts-what-n970081)

stark contrast to how Trump and Republican lawmakers sold the tax law. "You're going to start seeing a lot more money in your paycheck," Trump said a year ago at an event in Nashville, Tennessee. A couple months earlier, Trump, and then-House Speaker Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., boasted the tax law would likely give typical households a $4,000 a year wage hike, with the White House reporting wages could even increase by more than $9,000 a year.

that did not happen even remotely

Companies spent $929 billion on stock buybacks compared to $7.1 billion on wage increases and bonuses
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 03:27:48 pm
Ehhhhhhh....

exemplary presidency
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 03:43:51 pm
Joe...the right can't seem to stop talking about Hunter
...and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china....what say you about these allegations
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 03:55:11 pm
Fake news?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 03:56:29 pm
Fake news?
works for Trump...but his base believes everything he says
won't work on the dems...
get ahead of this man...least it's better than groping kids
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 03, 2019, 04:09:49 pm
Trashing awful Joe Biden aside...so his one son married the widow of the other son?!?!  That's some Deadwood shit, man.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 03, 2019, 04:57:11 pm
I may have to retire from this board
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 03, 2019, 05:23:45 pm
I may have to retire from this board
dang joe...can't take the heat, not sure you're a good fit for the job
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on May 03, 2019, 06:35:59 pm
I may have to retire from this board

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Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 03, 2019, 06:45:44 pm

But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire.

Fox News: Details of Sanders’ Soviet ‘honeymoon’ exposed, as entourage member recalls shock at Bernie’s America-bashing (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/details-of-sanders-soviet-honeymoon-exposed-as-entourage-member-recalls-shock-at-bernies-america-bashing)

oh noes!!!111
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 05, 2019, 09:19:23 am
Relatable as I'm also too busy to do stuff

Joe Biden says he ‘doesn’t have time’ to lay out his healthcare plan (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-healthcare-2020-campaign-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-a8898926.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 06, 2019, 10:29:35 am
this guy needs our support
(https://static.politifact.com/politifact/photos/RushingAd.png)(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43685164_10212802642689742_771447405638844416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_eui2=AeG8Ws50iPxblZGMl-FbVCmE_Ghh8xmcDESTqNi9cs9urQGLrw0Aet31wuO1rUrplHDCglj6ppEfYhmK47H-SxqpTSfmukd2pCDu_NBFwhoNGg&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=fae6a3950adb7e9b513bd6209fb55e6e&oe=5D5F99DB)
I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going on
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 06, 2019, 10:31:36 am
I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going on
Its a real problem. As a compromise in the Julian's America Senate, we had to agree to annex Texas Oil Money to offset our annexation of the Maldives. The Eurocentric portion of JA was worried Asia was getting too large of a voting block.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 06, 2019, 12:39:38 pm
I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going on
Its a real problem. As a compromise in the Julian's America Senate, we had to agree to annex Texas Oil Money to offset our annexation of the Maldives. The Eurocentric portion of JA was worried Asia was getting too large of a voting block.

A+
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 06, 2019, 01:28:53 pm
this chant is the reason the dems will loose 2020
 "PowerPoint, PowerPoint, PowerPoint,"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 07, 2019, 04:38:18 pm
Joe...the right can't seem to stop talking about Hunter
...and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china....what say you about these allegations
good news joe.
Ukrainian official knocks down Biden conflict scandal promoted by Rudy Giuliani (https://www.axios.com/ukraine-biden-rudy-giuliani-new-york-times-3e655e72-5612-46eb-92db-040b9e2ec43a.html)

I love how trump was spinning this
Trump himself said on Fox News: "Sure, I’m hearing it’s a major scandal, major problem. I hope for him it is fake news. I don’t think it is."


I HOPE for him...what a disingenuous twat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 07, 2019, 04:46:40 pm
I just got to say man that spreading far right conspiracy theory talking points in the first place is not a good look for you

Joe Biden might have some issues but come on...A powerful senator for decades and two term Vice President...I got to think he is pretty vetted by now

Anyways let’s see how the campaign evolves and remember that any democrat will be 100 times better than Trump

Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 07, 2019, 05:01:12 pm
I just got to say man that spreading far right conspiracy theory talking points in the first place is not a good look for you
this Ukraine thing 'appeared' to have some legs at first glance

but lets not over-inflate the massive influence on the American voter that sidehatch has
I'm sure I've had zero impact on the 12 people on this board

also you have never heard this from me "Hillary and Trump were the same"
and I'm still not buying that Hill lost because of the misinformation campaign from the bernie bros
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 07, 2019, 05:09:14 pm
You do realize Trump won by edging Hillary in PA, WI and MI, right? Very few votes...it’s impossible to conclude anything other than Bernie’s continued campaign when he had no chance (past early March) did not have a big impact in the outcome...he tried out a lot of the attacks that Trump later used and gave them validity in the eyes of voters...And I am not saying you thought Trump and Hillary where the same but it did become a thing or is your memory that poor?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 07, 2019, 05:29:57 pm
I think like 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump vs. like 24% of HRC voters that voted for McCain instead of Obama and he still fucking won! 

Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 07, 2019, 05:34:02 pm
I think like 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump vs. like 24% of HRC voters that voted for McCain instead of Obama and he still fucking won! 

Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary

24% of Hillary supporters voted for McCain rather than Obama?

I call bullshit.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 07, 2019, 05:43:00 pm
Anyways it’s not just about voting for someone but about staying home cause poor Bernie got treated badly and anyways Hillary and Trump are the same. In a close election that makes a difference. Personally I think the country and world would have been way better off with HRC than Trump but how many times did we hear they were the same before the presidential election? If Sanders had dropped out in March Hillary would have won but his campaign kept peddling bullshit about how he could win while they got nastier and nastier...I remember his campaign manager making the argument in March- when they knew he couldn’t win- that the superdelegates should select Bernie even if he had less pledge delegates!!! They knew he couldn’t win but they were enjoying their moment in the sun and the huge money he was raising which made a lot of political consultants very rich so the incentive to keep going was there...unfortunately we know what transpired
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 07, 2019, 05:48:21 pm
Read it and weep, bud. Hillary's PUMAs were not a fan of Obama (way worse than Bernie to HRC): https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.badfa8f018f2

Hutch, your memory is broken and not working past 2016. HRC and Obama were WAY more fucking vicious to each other than HRC and Bernie.  Like, there are videos of this stuff...it's not a hidden secret or anything.  Hell, your girl even wooed voters by saying that Obama might just be assassinated.  Good summary here: https://www.thenation.com/article/the-2008-democratic-primary-was-far-nastier-than-2016s/

I think like 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump vs. like 24% of HRC voters that voted for McCain instead of Obama and he still fucking won! 

Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary

24% of Hillary supporters voted for McCain rather than Obama?

I call bullshit.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 07, 2019, 07:05:52 pm
But Obama won and Hillary lost so that’s on you and your Bernie folk


I assume you did everything you could to get Hillary elected once she was nominated?


I actually remember the Obama Hillary fight very well as I was an early Obama supporter and campaigned for him in the primaries

There was a lot at stake in the last election but many Bernie folk were generally adamant that Hillary was horrible and pretty much the same as Trump...seems laughable now but it happened

Anyways as I thought on Day 1 of the Trump shitshow this will be and is a rematch of sorts between Bernie and the more centrist establishment wing and Bernie folk such as yourself are doing the same thing to Biden that you did to HRC....you said yourself that Biden is responsible for every problem of the past 30 years!!


Anyways we know where we stand but I can tell you one thing: Bernie Sanders will never be President even with my vote but this has gotten tiresome

I can sleep at night knowing I took the Trump threat seriously meaning I thought he could win and did everything in my modest possibilities to get HRC elected
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 07, 2019, 07:15:35 pm
* sees HRC blow an election with MORE support from her primary challenger voters than Obama had from her, while losing 13% of Obama voters and neglecting key battleground states *

Bernie is the problem.

boring post that's too long and boring
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 07, 2019, 09:35:10 pm
but how many times did we hear they were the same before the presidential election?
Let's get this out of the way ...ZERO people on the board felt that way in November of 2016 (I can't speak for NKOTB)

there was a segment of independent voter that Hillary couldn't inspire in key areas...I think that is the problem and you non stop keep saying that someone else is to blame for Hil not getting the vote out in a few critical states...but it was also her election to lose.  We can go back and forth on the spoiler, but all she had to do is get 100k more votes in 3 states and we'd be in a different world altogether.
 It is amazing that it was all about that
how Trump landed that hail mary will certainly go down as one of the greatest upsets in history


Trump didn't even believe he could win...I honestly believe he was hush hush about the russia stuff originally because he was like...'hey man this is the best marketing campaign of all time, The Trump brand will be worth 100 times world wide. It'll be tremendous  Me and my friends are going to be making so much money after this stupid campaign is over"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 07, 2019, 09:57:49 pm
not that this will make a bit of a difference

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures
Show Over $1 Billion in Business Los (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Top+Stories&pgtype=Homepage&fbclid=IwAR3AMWC20tP1uC8fHfypYM9e2OL48T-ZVJncF-P7lgW2LXH808NslncG-aw)


10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times from 85-95
 The 10-year total: $1.17 billion in losses.




wait, can you say that a little clearer

While The Times did not obtain the president’s actual tax returns, it received the information contained in the returns from someone who had legal access to it.


grr...story will be derided on this sentence alone

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 07, 2019, 10:28:28 pm
I am bored but I don’t understand the desire to blame Hillary for her loss...blame the voters or Comey but she did her part...trouncing Trump in the debates...running a fairly tight campaign with many fewer mistakes than trump’s which was a shit show...he went through like 3 campaign managers...and then when Comey reopens the investigation the polls shifted and she knew it which is why she closed in PA

But there is no getting through to you on this...you think:
She lost by very few votes and won the popular vote by three million but ran a terrible campaign (beating him in debates and way out raising him and with Democrats running the better nominating convention by far) Comey influenced nobody, and she lost in a huge upset cause the TV talking Heads told you she was winning and you assumed she would

I am sorry but you have just bought into conventional idiocy...

I am tired of talking about this..



Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 07, 2019, 11:04:26 pm
I am bored but I don’t understand the desire to blame Hillary for her loss...
it was her race to lose, that voters were swayed by comey or bernie, maybe, but her campaign should have tried harder...I don't know what the solution was...but she spent $1.2 Billion (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/) (and yes I will conced, she probably would have had closer to 1.5 bill if sanders had dropped out in February...but that's not what happened)
I think they spent their money poorly and couldn't convice people who supported her to come out and vote.
not sure why that is up for debate, but it is

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but ran a terrible campaign
I never said that, but proof is in the pudding
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she lost in a huge upset cause the TV talking Heads told you she was winning and you assumed she would
This I think is the crux of my argument...people thought she would win, so the didn't feel the need to put the jacket on and wait in line, what's the point, she's a shoo in

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I am sorry but you have just bought into conventional idiocy...
why does it always have to end up with and insult to the other person
I've yet to attack YOU in my argument, but you often go in "trump mode" and insult others that 'they are soooo freaking stupid, how you be such a dunce to believe that, only a complete dofus would have that stance'
I guess that's your brand, but it is getting tiresome
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 08, 2019, 09:34:37 am
Let's get this out of the way ...ZERO people on the board felt that way in November of 2016 (I can't speak for NKOTB)

Yeah, I mean...I didn't like HRC, but I'm not insane so of course I voted for her.  Still, I do genuinely think that while, yes, she would not be as grotesque as Trump, in the long run she'd wind up being worse.  Trump is by no means an outlier...this guy is the pure essence of conversatism made flesh.  But if we had another 4 years of bloodless corporate liberalism, I really think that whatever came AFTER would be way worse than Trump. That's what gave us this guy in the first place.

I am bored but I don’t understand the desire to blame Hillary for her loss...blame the voters or Comey but she did her part...trouncing Trump in the debates...running a fairly tight campaign with many fewer mistakes than trump’s which was a shit show...he went through like 3 campaign managers...and then when Comey reopens the investigation the polls shifted and she knew it which is why she closed in PA

Her job was to win an election and she didn't win.  Who else is to blame?!?! If she didn't inspire people that don't vote to show up, or who voted for Obama but were leaning toward Trump, or to campaign enough in swing states where the election is really won, the blame falls on the voters? I mean, yes there are factors she couldn't control once the campaign was in swing (the fact that Republicans have hated her with a passion for almost 30 years, the fact that she was under FBI investigation even if it was for a nothing reason, the fact that she's tied to Bill's bad record, etc.), but like...maybe don't put all of energy behind someone with so much baggage?

She lost by very few votes and won the popular vote by three million

I think this is the rub of it...she got more votes than the guy she ran against. It's just that she didn't get them where it mattered. I get that it's a dumb system, but hey, those are the rules and if you're not campaigning to get votes where they do matter, I don't see how the fault lies anywhere but with her and her campaign.


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 08, 2019, 09:43:58 am
the fact that she's tied to Bill's bad record, etc.
Bill Clinton had the best Presidency of my lifetime and top 3-5 all time. He literally teabags Obama by every measure except how he made millennials feel as he passed virtually none of his agenda.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 08, 2019, 10:12:10 am
Bill Clinton had the best Presidency of my lifetime and top 3-5 all time.
well I guess there is room on Mt Rushmore then...that's a bit hyperbolic IMO


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He literally teabags Obama by every measure except how he made millennials feel as he passed virtually none of his agenda.
I really don't know if the first part is true, but don't have the facts to back my argument

but the second...that is true
GOP has been a master at messaging...to their base and setting the agenda on so many topics. 
They are the propaganda masters and Libs just whine and fight with each other

Still, I do genuinely think ... in the long run she'd wind up being worse.
But if we had another 4 years of bloodless corporate liberalism, I really think that whatever came AFTER would be way worse than Trump.
dude, please pass that joint, because you are high as shit if you believe that...definitely helping Hutch's case with that argument
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 08, 2019, 10:53:50 am
This worries me. I get that Trump seems like a bad outlying blip on the radar, but I think what comes after is going to be much much worse. He's a total fascist scumbag, but there is certainly a lot of testing the waters shit going down.  How much will people take?

There was outrage about two stolen SCOTUS seats (including a rapist!), and sure some congressmen got yelled at, but everyone just accepted it in the end.

Sure, we're disgusted at child separation and horrified that some kids died, but beyond using #Resistance when we tweet and sharing articles about it while saying "THIS IS NOT NORMAL", it's still happening.

Rich are getting richer at the expense of actual working class people losing what little safety net they have, and no one is storming the gates.

I do think there's a game to see how far they can take it, and it's just given more leverage to whatever competent ghoul comes next. 

People are going to be more and more willing to accept fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" if they're not given a better alternative, and I don't think HRC and her ilk are that.

Still, I do genuinely think ... in the long run she'd wind up being worse.
But if we had another 4 years of bloodless corporate liberalism, I really think that whatever came AFTER would be way worse than Trump.
dude, please pass that joint, but you are high as shit if you believe that...definitely helping Hutch's case with that argument
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 08, 2019, 11:22:45 am
This worries me. ... but there is certainly a lot of testing the waters shit going down.  How much will people take?
I really don't think that anyone in the Dem heirichy is thinking of using Trump's facist model...so not sure where you are going with that
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There was outrage
we're disgusted
no one is storming the gates.
 it's still happening.
umm...isn't this what 2020 is all about.  I'm coming to the opinion that protesting in the streets doesn't do crap.  Problem is now there are SOO many things we're up in arms about their could be a protest every day and we'd still be missing things that are getting destroyed by team trump

Here is how we do it:
Get in power at the state and national level again and then work to make change
we can scream and post memes all we want...but they played the game right (albeit with some very shady tactics) and won.  We know the rules, play the game by the rules and if the people don't want it...then your message isn't being said well or the people really don't want it
In my heart of hearts I think that USA is way more liberal than the elections indicate...but we suck at messaging and getting the vote out.
If we could work on that...this minority majority will be sidelined
The GOP has mastered the tactic of getting people to vote against their own interest ....I don't think the Dem's...including Hill do that at all
The Dems have taken a lot of their constituents for granted, but they are not outright working against them (not in my opinion)

I want the candidates to state their case and platforms....but in the end it's ONLY about getting that fascist criminal out of 1600 Penn....and maybe into a Penitentiary
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People are going to be more and more willing to accept fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" if they're not given a better alternative, and I don't think HRC and her ilk are that.
So again...you are pretty much sealing Hutch's case here and I cannot back your stance on this
Just because the GOP has been overtaken by Team Trump...doesn't mean that any Democrat...including Biden, has any intention on going the fascist route
are any of the 21 candidates doing fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" (well we do need to get better about complaining about the Trump Voter...as that's not going to help our case...see the deplorables incident)


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 08, 2019, 11:54:33 am
Sorry, I wasn't 100% clear. 

I don't think Dems will go full fash by any means, though I do think they'll be more and more willing to accept classism, racism, xenophobia to win over these mythical Republicans on the fence about Trump.

But right now, they're all beholden to corporate interests, are willing to forego their principles to avoid rocking the boat by seeming too left, and typically want to look for some tax credit, or debt refinancing or silicon valley tech solution to problems facing the masses. If they don't refocus efforts on helping their actual base and not whatever lobbying firm gives them the most money, I think voters are going to have an easier and easier time accepting the shit republicans are spewing. 

It's happening everywhere...this isn't some experience unique to the US. And unless Democrats accept that maybe they should change their approach, I think they're dead in the water.

So again...you are pretty much sealing Hutch's case here and I cannot back your stance on this
Just because the GOP has been overtaken by Team Trump...doesn't mean that any Democrat...including Biden, has any intention on going the fascist route
are any of the 21 candidates doing fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" (well we do need to get better about complaining about the Trump Voter...as that's not going to help our case...see the deplorables incident)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 08, 2019, 12:02:46 pm
they'll be more and more willing to accept classism, racism, xenophobia to win over these mythical Republicans on the fence about Trump.
this statement...
I don't think any candidate is running on "classism, racism, xenophobia"
even remotely
but the GOP is....so if they American voter likes those things...well then we are  screwed

also, I don't think we'll ever get Republicans (unless this whole presidency goes down Nixon style)...but it's the independent voter is the vote we want.
full on Republicans and those who lean...don't even make up 40% of the poulation
we need to reach out to those people and not worry about getting the Trump voter to turn based on some bombshell news story
(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/03/PP_2019.03.14_Independents_0-01-1.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 08, 2019, 05:16:15 pm
Mayor Pete is still trying to ride this wave (and not doing a bad job...but there is a long way to go)

Maybe mayor butt-plug was more appropriate and space was right!

Booty-Judge Judy with Pete Buttigieg! (https://www.thestranger.com/columns/2019/05/08/40142884/booty-judge-judy-with-pete-buttigieg?)

On the campaign trail, everyday Americans have been asking me, "How do you know if a guy has a grade-A booty?" That's easy: proportion. Do you see how each cheek is the same size as his head? That's good balance, the kind of balance I would bring to the White House.

spoiler...this is satire (it's from Dan Savage's site)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 08, 2019, 05:59:20 pm
Booty-Judge

so last month (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=24904.msg486100#msg486100)... sheesh.

(it's from Dan Savage's site)

it's not savage's site.  the stranger is a seattle independent/alternative newspaper - actually, it was a newspaper, they have recently gone digital only (i can hear vansmack clapping already).  savage just happens to be their most known writer.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 09, 2019, 09:23:52 am
I don't know. History has kind of proven that Democrats are willing to move center right pretty willingly to avoid smears that they're soft on crime, or for open borders, or communists, without ever getting smart enough to realize no matter what they do, they'll get the same smears.

I am with you about targeting Republicans.  They like 90+% approve of what Trump's doing...you aren't going to win them over, and there are maybe like 3 actual Never Trump Republicans out there in total.  Get those unmotivated voters and independents...I mean, those are the folks that came out for Obama's "hope and change" and then bailed when it turned out to not be true.

they'll be more and more willing to accept classism, racism, xenophobia to win over these mythical Republicans on the fence about Trump.
this statement...
I don't think any candidate is running on "classism, racism, xenophobia"
even remotely
but the GOP is....so if they American voter likes those things...well then we are  screwed

also, I don't think we'll ever get Republicans (unless this whole presidency goes down Nixon style)...but it's the independent voter is the vote we want.
full on Republicans and those who lean...don't even make up 40% of the poulation
we need to reach out to those people and not worry about getting the Trump voter to turn based on some bombshell news story
(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/03/PP_2019.03.14_Independents_0-01-1.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 09, 2019, 09:24:53 am
Also:

Buttigieg is the only top 2020 candidate not offering staffers health care yet (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1003481?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR01kh7TnVJR-Gg8GXskXqM7uL3OazbIci5ACIoyDCC6JazFS3spUrn0kH8)

It shouldn't be this hard, I dont' think!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 09, 2019, 09:34:49 am
^so again with the pointing guns at your own team....but I'm starting to think you are on the 'destroy the Democratic party team'

staff on campaigns are historically underpaid (if paid at all) and overworked...and I don't have a problem with that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 09, 2019, 09:43:42 am
there are maybe like 3 actual Never Trump Republicans out there in total. 
  lets be clear...these are elected officials who will do anything to keep their job...not voters

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Get those unmotivated voters and independents...I mean, those are the folks that came out for Obama's "hope and change" and then bailed when it turned out to not be true.
So we are now smearing BO's time in office too, yikes

My stance is they bailed...but not for that reason...

I heard a great comment by Bakari Sellers on Maher this week
"the couch is always on the ballot"  and I 100% agree
we must make sure to get people motivated to get up off their ass and vote
I guarantee that if those three states got a do over
the trump vote would probably be exactly the same and the Hil vote would have gone up enough to close the gap
people were not that concerned that she would lose...and I blame the dems for not realizing that and really making strides to make sure that everyone knew that it was going to be razor thin and every vote counts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 09, 2019, 10:16:39 am
^so again with the pointing guns at your own team....but I'm starting to think you are on the 'destroy the Democratic party team'

If they're going to continue to be sell-outs and corporate shills, then yes, push them into a volcano. 

But I truly believe with a little refocus they could be good! I think there are a lot of people that really want to fight the good fight for working people, but that the Dems that want to take big money from donors and do their bidding are digging in their heels because they see a threat to their gravy train. I definitely don't think that any of them automatically earn my vote or respect because they have D next to their name.

I do think Obama was kind of a shitty president in the long run. Practically everyone of his big achievements have been overturned (except ACA but that's been a victim of its own kowtowing to the insurance industry).  Lots of what he ran on didn't come to pass due to his own tail-tucking.  Most people deported under any other president (yes, the definition changed, but still...). Flying murder bots raining hellfire on weddings.  Zero people facing accountability for collapsing the economy or for torture under GWB.  Those things, to me, are bad!

Look, I get he was stone-walled a lot. But he also tried to find common ground with a bunch of maniacs that would refuse anything he offered. SO fuck them and stand for what you believe in. And I do think his shift between campaign rhetoric and what he did as president is a big reason why like 1,000 seats were lost during his term.

I think thats the crux of what these dummies are missing.  I think people aren't willing to as easily accept the lesser of two evils, and more so voters aren't showing up when they're not given a champion. 

staff on campaigns are historically underpaid (if paid at all) and overworked...and I don't have a problem with that

Well, historically kids could work in factories, but that was a bummer and people changed it. I can't really accept that staffers get underpaid or not paid at all. That's garbage and if a candidate does it, I think it speaks volumes to their actual beliefs.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 09, 2019, 10:17:12 am
TL;DR version:

Agreed...give voters something to motivate them to show up at the polls. Right now, I don't think more than 2 or 3 of them actually are.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 09, 2019, 10:38:23 am
staff on campaigns are historically underpaid (if paid at all) and overworked...and I don't have a problem with that

Well, historically kids could work in factories, but that was a bummer and people changed it. I can't really accept that staffers get underpaid or not paid at all. That's garbage and if a candidate does it, I think it speaks volumes to their actual beliefs.
totally disagree and equating kids in factories to campaign staffers is insane
I don't have a problem with people working for a campaign being overworked and underpaid
If you believe in the candidate, put your money where your mouth is
different if you are working to put food on the table for a family...if your family can't afford to have you working on a campaign...the buck up buddy and take care of your family first. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 09, 2019, 12:57:52 pm
can you believe it has only been about ~100 days since the government shutdown ended!
to me it seems like a decade ago...(I had to go look up what happened in the end of January for his poor poll numbers!)

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the shutdown cost the American economy at least $11 billion!


I note this as it was the high point for Trump disapproval (57%) and his lowest approval (39%)

gotta imagine the independent voter hated that and we should really use it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 09, 2019, 01:52:59 pm
there are maybe like 3 actual Never Trump Republicans out there in total. 
  lets be clear...these are elected officials who will do anything to keep their job...not voters

elected officials are voters, too.  a vote is a vote.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 09, 2019, 02:11:53 pm
elected officials are voters, too.  a vote is a vote.

In the Electoral College system, this is only true depending on what state you live in.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 09, 2019, 02:35:15 pm
Dems need to heed the words of Bill Gates (https://gizmodo.com/bill-gates-actually-made-a-good-point-about-the-sociali-1834549235)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 10, 2019, 11:30:54 am
Lot of Trump States are getting a major impact by this trade war with china
2020 is far enough away that the long term impact will be felt by voters

This could be the thread that unravels his 'great economy' benefit he has into 2020


'nother thing the Dems could focus on ...REAL PLANS for job retraining of Americans in poor areas
forget manufacturing and COAL...people hate those jobs to begin with, but that's all they can do



States where automation will wipe out the most jobs in the U.S.

The five states with the highest share of at-risk jobs are Indiana (29%), Kentucky (29%), South Dakota (28%), Arkansas (28%), and Iowa (28%) — all of which went for President Trump in 2016.
Compare that to the bottom five: New York (20%), Maryland (20%), Massachusetts (21%), Connecticut (22%) and New Mexico (22%), all of which went for Hillary Clinton.


I'm also a big fan of mandatory civil service for 18 year olds (could be the mil, but also Teach4America, peace corps, even working for your local city gov't)
this could really change everything 20 years down the road
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 10, 2019, 01:57:00 pm
Joe...the right can't seem to stop talking about Hunter
...and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china....what say you about these allegations
good news joe.
Ukrainian official knocks down Biden conflict scandal promoted by Rudy Giuliani (https://www.axios.com/ukraine-biden-rudy-giuliani-new-york-times-3e655e72-5612-46eb-92db-040b9e2ec43a.html)

I love how trump was spinning this
Trump himself said on Fox News: "Sure, I’m hearing it’s a major scandal, major problem. I hope for him it is fake news. I don’t think it is."

So Goul-iani is making a special trip to the Ukraine to 'get to the bottom of this'
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/politics/giuliani-ukraine-biden/index.html

Giuliani said he's meeting in his capacity as the President's personal lawyer and helping to defend his client.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 10, 2019, 02:22:42 pm
the Ukraine

TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/).  it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 10, 2019, 02:25:54 pm
Ukraine is game to you!?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 10, 2019, 02:42:26 pm
^ i lol'ed.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 10, 2019, 02:46:11 pm
Ukraine is game to you!?
I was getting ready to put the gif of them on the train playing risk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 10, 2019, 03:27:35 pm
TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/).  it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".

Off to The Siberia for Sidehatch....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 10, 2019, 03:41:05 pm
TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/).  it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".

Off to The Siberia for Sidehatch....
that The Sidehätch to you buddy!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 10, 2019, 04:13:04 pm
TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/).  it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".

Off to The Siberia for Sidehatch....

my lawyer has spoken.  i have no further comment at this time.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 10, 2019, 05:37:23 pm
i have no further comment at this time.

He'll be joining whomever put this carpet RIGHT HERE!

https://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/1126953461160001537
 
@SomeonesAnIdiot

You’d think Vladimir Putin would be prepared for a carpet when it’s his favorite color
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 11, 2019, 08:28:41 pm
I sure hope I can pull that off that kind of wipe out and recovery when I'm 66
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 13, 2019, 09:03:55 am
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....

I don't know if this great economy and jobs are going to last with this trade war stuff
China will impose retaliatory tariffs on $60 billion in U.S. goods

My stock advice SELL
this trade war is going to fuck with our economy and really hurt the lower/middle classes...which is the Trump base
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 13, 2019, 09:12:49 am
I was offline most of the weekend...what did I miss here?

I sure hope I can pull that off that kind of wipe out and recovery when I'm 66
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 13, 2019, 09:16:32 am
This is what the 66 yr old is in ref too
https://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/1126953461160001537
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 13, 2019, 09:48:31 am
  DEMOCRATS>>>FOCUS ON GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT>>>these voters want what you are proposing...just not from you?!
from Axios (https://www.axios.com/focus-group-trump-supporters-like-liberal-proposals-but-still-love-trump-66518863-c821-49ea-bab5-226c0b013de1.html)...
Some of President Trump's supporters in Sioux City, Iowa love liberal populist proposals. They just don't love the 2020 Democrats as the messengers.
A focus group of swing voters — all of whom voted for Trump in 2016 — strongly supported a student loan debt plan that would cancel up to $50,000 in student debt for people whose families make less than $100,000 per year.
They also want to tax American corporations, specifically big banks, to pay for Trump's infrastructure plans.
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is, given that the voters were skeptical of the entire Democratic field.
Taxing big banks was the most popular idea to pay for infrastructure, beating out an increase in the federal gas tax or borrowing money from other countries.
They're not excited about any of the 2020 Democrats running for president, and they only really recognized Warren, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.

    The economy was the issue that came up the most ... no one said they've seen an increase in their own wages or financial situation.



as I said, the numbers in the news makes it sound like everyone is livin' the high life now that trump fixed the economy...but most low/middle class Americans are not reaping the benefits of this great economy (but the billionaires and corps certainly are)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 13, 2019, 09:57:53 am
LOL that rocks.

This is what the 66 yr old is in ref too
https://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/1126953461160001537
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 13, 2019, 10:13:13 am
  DEMOCRATS>>>FOCUS ON GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT>>>these voters want what you are proposing...just not from you?!
from Axios (https://www.axios.com/focus-group-trump-supporters-like-liberal-proposals-but-still-love-trump-66518863-c821-49ea-bab5-226c0b013de1.html)...
Some of President Trump's supporters in Sioux City, Iowa love liberal populist proposals. They just don't love the 2020 Democrats as the messengers.
A focus group of swing voters — all of whom voted for Trump in 2016 — strongly supported a student loan debt plan that would cancel up to $50,000 in student debt for people whose families make less than $100,000 per year.
They also want to tax American corporations, specifically big banks, to pay for Trump's infrastructure plans.
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is, given that the voters were skeptical of the entire Democratic field.
Taxing big banks was the most popular idea to pay for infrastructure, beating out an increase in the federal gas tax or borrowing money from other countries.
They're not excited about any of the 2020 Democrats running for president, and they only really recognized Warren, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.

    The economy was the issue that came up the most ... no one said they've seen an increase in their own wages or financial situation.



as I said, the numbers in the news makes it sound like everyone is livin' the high life now that trump fixed the economy...but most low/middle class Americans are not reaping the benefits of this great economy (but the billionaires and corps certainly are)

These deplorables are living under a rock and get what they deserve.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on May 13, 2019, 10:23:31 am
Unfortunately, we get what they deserve too.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 13, 2019, 10:25:53 am
Unfortunately, we get what they deserve too.
tru dat! {deleted}
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 13, 2019, 10:39:40 am
Unfortunately, we get what they deserve too.

As a middle class, middle aged white guy who doesn't really stand to benefit from liberal populist proposals, I'll probably be fine either way.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 13, 2019, 10:48:45 am
Elizabeth Warren town hall at GMU this Thursday if anyone's interested: https://my.elizabethwarren.com/page/s/join-elizabeth-in-northern-virginia-

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 13, 2019, 12:12:01 pm
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,

so they're saying they're not ready for a female president?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2019, 09:58:24 am
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,

so they're saying they're not ready for a female president?

Let's face it. There have been three tickets with women on them and they all lost. I think Nikki Haley has a better chance of being the first female president than any Democrat women.

I like this guy. But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 14, 2019, 10:18:32 am
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2019, 10:35:40 am
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.

Though it does seem like we've lost sight of Cory and O'Rourke.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 14, 2019, 10:36:42 am
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.

Though it does seem like we've lost sight of Cory and O'Rourke.
Beto is still in the alliterative mix.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2019, 11:05:15 am
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.

Though it does seem like we've lost sight of Cory and O'Rourke.
Beto is still in the alliterative mix.

Warren is probably kicking herself for going with the Native American angle all these years instead of just opting to call herself "Beth."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 14, 2019, 11:10:28 am
2020 Dems with B
Bennet
Biden
Booker
Bullock
Buttigieg
Beto
Bernie
Beth

Bloomberg (not announced, but listed as possible)

I can here it now "Let's go with the B-team"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 14, 2019, 12:39:55 pm
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.

suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,

so they're saying they're not ready for a female president?

Let's face it. There have been three tickets with women on them and they all lost. I think Nikki Haley has a better chance of being the first female president than any Democrat women.

dude, you're a stats guy.  you know that you can't draw any conclusions from n=3.

I like this guy. But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html)

i had never heard of this guy before this morning.  i fear that he's DOA (even if his name starts with a B).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 14, 2019, 02:47:15 pm
I like this guy. But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html)

i had never heard of this guy before this morning.  i fear that he's DOA (even if his name starts with a B).
the thing about Montana Gov. Steve Bullock ...is he is a Democrat gov that won in a red state the same election that Trump won....so there is a draw to find someone who can pull in the redish vote and still be a dem
but I do agree, we are at 22 now and it's getting really hard to get name recognition
I think NOT having a b is an asset a this point
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 14, 2019, 02:59:32 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 14, 2019, 03:07:24 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
there is already a logo out there
(https://groundedpgh.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/0.jpg)

even one for you too sweets
(https://www.accerta.ca/usercontent/blog/BCorps_Canada.png)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 14, 2019, 03:57:12 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 14, 2019, 04:37:07 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?
does it count if she works the merch table?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 14, 2019, 04:45:43 pm
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name

that's woke AF, brah.  fight the power.
But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?
does it count if she works the merch table?
Depends — is she being paid a living wage and do her benefits comply with the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act? What is the written procedure for reporting harassment claims at the merch table? #VirtueSignalling
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 14, 2019, 05:11:39 pm
does it count if she works the merch table?
Depends — is she being paid a living wage and do her benefits comply with the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act? What is the written procedure for reporting harassment claims at the merch table? #VirtueSignalling
Ok this is getting complicated....since bands are essentially homeless (living out of their van) and not even a resident of a state...how do you determine a 'living wage'
do you have to pro-rate it for the actual city they are in?
I'd most certainly want to make sure that as a principle that she get paid more than any other males at the merch table (ya know reparations)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 15, 2019, 01:44:33 pm
beth...come on now...you got to reach out to those who are not aware of your message.  Huffpost won't win ya the primaries

Elizabeth Warren rejects Fox News town hall invite, slams network's 'hate-for-profit' model (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html)

Liz...these are the facts...
February 2019 marked a whopping 32 consecutive months for Fox News as the most-watched basic cable network in total day with 1.5 million viewers.
(although...1.5 mil doesn't sound like that much to me....)

while I agree with her thoughts on Faux (the network "balances a mix of bigotry, racism, and outright lies with enough legit journalism to make the claim to advertisers that it's a reputable news outlet. It's all about dragging in ad money -- big ad money.")
..but that is where the people go who's vote you need
and it's Free

You know who is going on ....Mayor Pete
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60321851_398583297395922_8747160459804672_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeFWXagAEjCoDDlmbYKMdpx5NhSBwPtFdJ8UWwjs7niUmuXal351KQ0FNbK8w7P66Hj0a3K2An9r5nIIb9nZFMZMZyCerZT2yrA9kfvKUR1ZbQ&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=c2d8aeff0bc39addc51f59d2f724d7a9&oe=5D9E6351)


This is going to be the litmus test for who can beat trump...you have to be able to face crowds that are against you ...in person and on twitter
and come out smelling like roses, not some wussy
The Dem who is going to win is going to be quick on their feet and not back down
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 15, 2019, 04:02:37 pm
Kamala just announced she'd refuse as well.

I'm torn...obviously Fox News can sink into the sea, along with everyone that's a part of it (you too, Shep), but on the flip side, providing a competing narrative probably isn't a bad thing. Not that any of the lunatics I know that are into Fox News would listen to most of the Dem candidates.

beth...come on now...you got to reach out to those who are not aware of your message.  Huffpost won't win ya the primaries

Elizabeth Warren rejects Fox News town hall invite, slams network's 'hate-for-profit' model (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 15, 2019, 04:05:59 pm
I think it’s madness to go on Fox
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 15, 2019, 04:24:31 pm
I disagree...I think its essential to go on fox.  It allows the candidate to set the narrative and not fox
anchors.  If they can't take the heat from Fox...then get out of the funkin' kitchen
Bernie made Fox look kind of stupid when most of the studio audience agreed with him

There are a lot of people that live in 'Trump/fox' households where Fox is on 24/7 and they hear all that crap all day long, I hope that just a small sliver of those people (who don't control the remote) see what the dems are really saying and not how fox spins it

Who knows, maybe a waste of time...but it's free press, jez how could you turn that up

Now if it was the Daily Stormer or ISIS-TV...I'd recommend avoiding
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2019, 04:53:56 pm
I disagree...I think its essential to go on fox.  It allows the candidate to set the narrative and not fox
anchors.  If they can't take the heat from Fox...then get out of the funkin' kitchen
Bernie made Fox look kind of stupid when most of the studio audience agreed with him

There are a lot of people that live in 'Trump/fox' households where Fox is on 24/7 and they hear all that crap all day long, I hope that just a small sliver of those people (who don't control the remote) see what the dems are really saying and not how fox spins it

Who knows, maybe a waste of time...but it's free press, jez how could you turn that up

Now if it was the Daily Stormer or ISIS-TV...I'd recommend avoiding

My in-laws are a Fox household. Unless the candidate condemns abortion as baby-killing, nothing else they say matters.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 15, 2019, 05:15:02 pm
Unless the candidate condemns abortion as baby-killing, nothing else they say matters.
this is appearing to be THE wedge issue in the south right now
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 15, 2019, 05:17:01 pm
Anyone who watches Fox regularly is not worth appealing to....appeal to your base but make it wide..turn them out...or did we learn nothing from Trump?


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 15, 2019, 05:27:12 pm
I really don’t get the point of targeting Fox watchers

First of all it’s rather weak and pathetic...target them in the presidential debates or anywhere else...Fox is the enemy period...the sooner we get that the better

Give the Obama coalition something to vote for and yes that does mean black people

Had Hillary been able to turn them out she would have won


Having said this I think Trump is a shoo in for a second term unless the economy slows by mid next year and I am betting it won’t

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 15, 2019, 05:30:45 pm
The China move sealed it for Trump
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 15, 2019, 05:38:24 pm
The China move sealed it for Trump
I think the china move may be a short term disaster on the economy...but I only play an economist on the internet...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 15, 2019, 05:44:32 pm
I doubt it....


But regardless surely you see how he has given his base every single thing he promised?


He is the first modern  US President to actually take on China on trade.

Why would someone who voted for Trump in 2016 not vote for him in 2020?

Think about it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 15, 2019, 07:00:15 pm
I dont disagree...so get people to vote that don't.

I doubt it....


But regardless surely you see how he has given his base every single thing he promised?


He is the first modern  US President to actually take on China on trade.

Why would someone who voted for Trump in 2016 not vote for him in 2020?

Think about it
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 15, 2019, 08:13:44 pm
the more the merrier!!!

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio to announce 2020 presidential run (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/15/politics/bill-de-blasio-2020-presidential-announcement/index.html)

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio will enter the 2020 Democratic presidential primary on Thursday morning, a senior Iowa Democrat with knowledge of the plans confirmed to CNN.

De Blasio's Thursday entrance into the race, which was first reported by NBC News, will bring the total number of candidates to 23 with nearly nine months before the first votes are cast.


new rule: if any more Dems announce their candidacy, they have to play "yakety sax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ)" while climbing out of a clown car.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 15, 2019, 08:21:52 pm
Double B!! Of the Non-#ForTheFuture
wing of the party, this is checkmate, bitchastards.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2019, 09:06:49 pm
The China move sealed it for Trump

Where is China moving to?

New Quinnipiac Poll in Pennsylvania: https://poll.qu.edu/pennsylvania/release-detail?ReleaseID=2620

Biden 53%
Trump 42%

Sanders 50%
Trump 43%

Warren 47%
Trump 44%

Buttigieg 45%
Trump 44%

Harris 45%
Trump 45%

Trump 46%
O'Rourke 44%
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 15, 2019, 09:27:59 pm
Polls are a joke


As far as getting new people to vote you ain’t going to do it goingbon Fox
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on May 15, 2019, 09:31:31 pm
Polls are a joke

Pollish jokes are generally considered racist.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 16, 2019, 09:21:14 am
^good one.   As a Polish-American, I appreciate someone having our back ;) 
I'm concerned that the MAGA is exhuming the body of Archie Bunker...and he was the king of the polish jokes (related....the Polish ambassador was just assaulted Israel...although the Pols are trying to whitewash their involvement in the Holocaust...so I'm not backing the current administration by any means)

one last thing on going on Fox.  Dems have always had a messaging problem and if they don't go on Fox, they allow Fox to set the message.  I don't think they will net that many voters (but honestly we didn't really need that many), but they can stave off the insanity that fox drums up by putting words in the mouths of the dems and not allowing them to defend things that fox will continually accuse them of.
If you want to be the President of ALL America, you have to go where the people are, not avoid them
Also, going on fox is hard and they are going to get a coordinated attack on everything they stand for and if they come out without totally embarrassing themselves, they will be stronger candidates.
I agree that 95% of the people who voted for trump, will do the same...but if we can reach that 5%...that's the election. 



I have to say, this new immigration policy is actually something I can get behind
yes it doesn't address some of the other issues (the 11mil who are here now, Dreamers, the border)

but you have to start somewhere...So far on first glance, I agree with this
Yikes

What shocks me a little is SMiller was involved and was for sure thinking it was going to be more radical (as I'm sure the base wants)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 16, 2019, 10:23:18 am
I asked my wife what she though about Warren not going on Fox and she said "She should do it. Bernie did it."

Doesn't Warren run the risk of being HRC 2.0 by snubbing "the deplorables?"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 16, 2019, 10:48:41 am
new rule: if any more Dems announce their candidacy, they have to play "yakety sax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ)" while climbing out of a clown car.
yes that is the proper name of that song...but I think we can all agree that it's the 'Benny Hill Theme song' and give the show/man some props to making this song a part of the cannon of modern music ;)
really is a great background song for any type of mayhem

the wiki on this is a great read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakety_Sax
hit #35 on the UK rock charts in 63!...prior to Benny hill
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 16, 2019, 12:03:22 pm
I asked my wife what she though about Warren not going on Fox and she said "She should do it. Bernie did it."

Doesn't Warren run the risk of being HRC 2.0 by snubbing "the deplorables?"


Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 16, 2019, 12:30:51 pm
Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
So you make a good point on this

but I kinda feel like we also need to act a little like we are in the general and not drive so hard to sell to our base, but appeal to those on the outside edge of the base that might consider selecting D in nov 2020
(because everyone is paying attention to the dems even if they are not planning on voting for them)

I think there are a lot of people who have been voting republican against their own interest and just sucked in by the culture war
Maybe if we try to rise above the culture war (HA!) and part of this election should be to gently show them that we are looking out for them
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 16, 2019, 12:33:20 pm
I couldn't recall if she said this during the primary or general election, so while I was looking up the date, I realized I had completely forgotten that Tim Kaine was her VP lol

I asked my wife what she though about Warren not going on Fox and she said "She should do it. Bernie did it."

Doesn't Warren run the risk of being HRC 2.0 by snubbing "the deplorables?"


Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 16, 2019, 12:42:23 pm
Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
So you make a good point on this

but I kinda feel like we also need to act a little like we are in the general and not drive so hard to sell to our base, but appeal to those on the outside edge of the base that might consider selecting D in nov 2020
(because everyone is paying attention to the dems even if they are not planning on voting for them)

I think there are a lot of people who have been voting republican against their own interest and just sucked in by the culture war
Maybe if we try to rise above the culture war (HA!) and part of this election should be to gently show them that we are looking out for them

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 16, 2019, 12:46:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwaiyjh1dGk

Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
So you make a good point on this

but I kinda feel like we also need to act a little like we are in the general and not drive so hard to sell to our base, but appeal to those on the outside edge of the base that might consider selecting D in nov 2020
(because everyone is paying attention to the dems even if they are not planning on voting for them)

I think there are a lot of people who have been voting republican against their own interest and just sucked in by the culture war
Maybe if we try to rise above the culture war (HA!) and part of this election should be to gently show them that we are looking out for them

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 17, 2019, 01:22:58 pm
Difference seems pretty clear...

Bernie Sanders Used His Campaign Data To Drive Turnout On Strike Picket Lines (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-campaign-strike-picket-lines_n_5cdecf96e4b09e057802f44c)

California health care union protests Joe Biden fundraiser
 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/california-health-care-union-protest-joe-biden-fundraiser/story?id=62892502)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 18, 2019, 11:09:02 am
“Biden Dirty” needs to become a thing. I don’t know what that thing is — a never-Biden cry by the progressive wing, an urban get-out-The-vote campaign by Biden’s team, something else entire — but someone needs to grab this an run with it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on May 18, 2019, 01:06:56 pm
“Biden Dirty” needs to become a thing. I don’t know what that thing is — a never-Biden cry by the progressive wing, an urban get-out-The-vote campaign by Biden’s team, something else entire — but someone needs to grab this an run with it.

"after that scare, my underpants weren't just soiled - they were Biden dirty".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 21, 2019, 10:48:39 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7GTfpTUYAQvH2h.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 21, 2019, 10:52:45 am
^ that's enough to get my vote
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 21, 2019, 11:22:38 am
Ok on the important stuff...who's got the best merch


I like Julian's
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-rv3kl6flcc/images/stencil/500x659/products/157/422/loteriaCard_white_unisexFront__02333.1554838406.png?c=2&imbypass=on)

I'm not really sure what this is trying to tell potential voters?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0073/9151/0591/products/jkd-store-eraser_470x.jpg?v=1551908707)
Got some good pun'sters at Joe's camp
(https://mondrian.mashable.com/uploads%252Fcard%252Fimage%252F987049%252F94129b1c-8881-4eed-bcea-4cacacfecaf3.jpg%252Ffit-in__1200x9600.jpg?signature=xlqQ4iWEZIfeiegao8onTGpCNV8=&source=https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com)

Sawell is the only one offering shoelaces
(https://mondrian.mashable.com/uploads%252Fcard%252Fimage%252F987056%252F051b72b4-f4f8-4b7b-8366-da5b1cccefca.jpg%252Ffit-in__1200x9600.jpg?signature=FsiNHFV7rhzbYWbO4wJJ-ImtWCE=&source=https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com)

Marianne...get a new art director please
(https://mondrian.mashable.com/uploads%252Fcard%252Fimage%252F987116%252F5b3561cc-ec3d-4fe9-bbd0-f24145362e4e.jpg%252Ffit-in__1200x9600.jpg?signature=n-sQkDKWvDMtFMJvm7sryl6Zr4Y=&source=https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com)

Yang really should be using an uncut member as his logo...not sure about what this is about
(https://mondrian.mashable.com/uploads%252Fcard%252Fimage%252F987123%252F770c4e2d-8190-4543-be97-5d7932fca9ed.jpg%252Ffit-in__1200x9600.jpg?signature=qZJEWZii0UeFBq04lt61diyrLo8=&source=https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com)

I like that mayor pete is helping us pronounce his name
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0077/1293/1906/products/boot_edge_edge_t-shirt_3b0155ae-3a40-43f3-897d-01ece68d83cd_300x.png?v=1555199388)
Not from his campaign, but I like it
(https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--MgccKsVM--/t_Preview/b_rgb:000000,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1553935235/production/designs/4527947_0.jpg)

Warren has some interesting merch
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1908/6551/products/mug-persist-but-first-RedNavy3_530x@2x.jpg?v=1555707473)(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1908/6551/products/impolite_unisex_grey_530x@2x.png?v=1539392008)
this one's a little dark (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1908/6551/products/bsd_ew_apron_white_ms01_530x@2x.jpg?v=1534948755)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 21, 2019, 12:22:15 pm
Cup 'o JO...like the sound of that
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 22, 2019, 12:41:00 pm
...voter turnout has always been THE issue  (to me)
I mostly think that, because I feel that an overwhelming majority of eligible voters are Dems or support liberal policies and we've been hijacked by a crafty (and at times illegal) minority focused on the long game and excellent at always getting to the polls

but at the same time, if we had record high turnout and they want to re-elect Trump....sobeit, the people have spoken

 experts say the 2020 voter turnout could be the highest in a century.

According to Michael McDonald, an elections expert at the University of Florida*, turnout for the 2020 presidential election could be as high as 67%
(Turnout in the 2016 presidential election was 60%.)
    Trump's driving turnout among those most unhappy with him (younger voters and people of color) even when he's not on the ballot.
    And Trump voters aren't a growing demographic group. The share of whites with less than a 4-year degree — Trump's constituency — dropped by 3% from 2014 to 2018.
Older white people already tend to vote at high rates, and they're close to their maximum turnout already.
By contrast, you'll see bigger turnout increases among young people, people of color, and low-income people — generally important constituencies for the Democratic Party — because they vote in lower numbers.


*...he is a Florida Man and at the same time not sure about the credibility of a Doobie Brother on US elections?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 22, 2019, 01:13:58 pm
oh that's good
you may need to watch 73 episodes of GOT to get the inside joke
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60636967_10156143009846053_7170750193355194368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=99252a38b57d415db544c686c65a817f&oe=5D9EDB12)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 22, 2019, 01:17:30 pm
...voter turnout has always been THE issue  (to me)

In the states that matter...

Let's not forget that Hillary Clinton received the second highest vote total in history, and still lost the electoral college by over 75 points.  She turned people out in Blue states that were already going to vote for her, but lost by slim margins in the swing states that mattered electorally. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 22, 2019, 04:02:12 pm
good to see  astronaut Mark Kelly may make AZ 2-D state!
Knew he was Scott Kelly's bro...but had no idea he was married to Gabby Giffords
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 22, 2019, 04:18:14 pm
good to see  astronaut Mark Kelly may make AZ 2-D state!
Knew he was Scott Kelly's bro...but had no idea he was married to Gabby Giffords
I knew he was Gabby Gifford's husband (this is in fact the only reason I was aware who he was pre-running for office) but was unaware he was Scott Kelly's bro. I am also unaware who Scott Kelly is. (I mean, obviously aside from him being Mark Kelly's bro.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 22, 2019, 04:37:02 pm
I am also unaware who Scott Kelly is.
In 2015, he set the record for the  single longest space mission (342 days) by an American* astronaut

(*Russian cosmonaut Valery Polyakov spent 438 consecutive days in space in 95)

He also had a great twitter feed with tons of photos from the ISS
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 22, 2019, 04:40:03 pm
So he's a dude who came in second. Wishing better for his bro, Mark, husband of Gabby, first of his name.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on May 22, 2019, 07:53:58 pm
They're not just brothers, they're twin brothers and have dedicated their lives to seeing the effects space travel has on the human body.   Their NASA Twin study is super cool stuff about how their bodies changed in space and morphed back (mostly) to the normal earth human build, in most cases.  Sometimes it did not.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 22, 2019, 08:00:22 pm
Cool story, bro.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on May 22, 2019, 08:29:09 pm
So he's a dude who came in second. Wishing better for his bro, Mark, husband of Gabby, first of his name.

Second to a guy with a chick's name.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 28, 2019, 09:48:39 am
Yes, these are meaningless, but I like to watch the horse race as it happens...
The first debates will be held next month in Miami, even though the Iowa caucuses will not take place until February 2020.

Mayor Pete comes from behind to leave some big names in the dust.
Top 4 make sense
Surprised to see Julian in the top 10

Who are the top contenders?  (from the Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445504-the-top-10-democrats-in-the-2020-race) 5/28) and yes this is a biased source, but I'm reading the hill more than most conservative rags, as it's not total masochistic cuckold of Trump

1. Former Vice President Joe Biden
Previous ranking: 2

2. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)
Previous ranking: 3

3. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass)
Previous ranking: 5

4. Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.)
Previous ranking: 1

5. South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D)
Previous ranking: n/a

6. Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas)
Previous ranking: 4

7. Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.)
Previous ranking: 6

8. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.)
Previous ranking: 7

9. Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julian Castro
Previous ranking: n/a

10. Businessman Andrew Yang
It's funny they rank him as 10th…and then say
It is virtually inconceivable that Yang will be the nominee
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 28, 2019, 10:02:08 am
Maybe bad news is what we need to get people to the polls?
but this makes me want to start drinking before 10AM


3 forecast modelers predict Trump will win in 2020


Steven Rattner, "car czar" and counselor to the Treasury secretary in the Obama administration, cites three different modelers in his N.Y. Times commentary, "Trump’s Formidable 2020 Tailwind."

The big picture: Trump wins all three modelers.

    Ray Fair, a professor at Yale, "found that the growth rates of gross domestic product and inflation have been the two most important economic predictors — but he also found that incumbency was also an important determinant of presidential election outcomes."

    "Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, has looked at 12 models, and Mr. Trump wins in all of them."

    "Donald Luskin of Trend Macrolytics has reached the same conclusion in his examination of the Electoral College."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 28, 2019, 10:14:33 am
Surprised to see Julian in the top 10
FOR THE FUTURE gets closer every day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 28, 2019, 11:02:27 am
This is what I been saying....

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 28, 2019, 11:58:42 am
In somewhat good news
...looks like Nevada is just a signature away from adding it's 6 votes to the National Popular Vote interstate compact
Maine's 4 are not not far behind

both only get us to 199...71 short of what we need
 (and even if we get 270...not guaranteed it won't get shut down by the Supremes.)

Gotta come at this election from all angles...
Get the vote out
Make it easier to register (auto registration with Drivers license should be mandatory in all states)
Make early voting absentee voting available in all states
stop gerrymandering where we can
NPV
and Felons...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 29, 2019, 08:56:46 am
The DNC announced on Wednesday that it would double the requirements for candidates to reach the 2020 debate stage in September
After the first round of June and July debates, candidates will need to obtain 2% support in four approved polls over the summer and obtain contributions from at least 130,000 donors before Aug. 28 to qualify for the second debate round.


I noticed Gillibrand may not make it to the June stage...not sure what other big players might get dropped by a technical foul
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on May 29, 2019, 09:59:06 am
The DNC announced on Wednesday that it would double the requirements for candidates to reach the 2020 debate stage in September
After the first round of June and July debates, candidates will need to obtain 2% support in four approved polls over the summer and obtain contributions from at least 130,000 donors before Aug. 28 to qualify for the second debate round.


I noticed Gillibrand may not make it to the June stage...not sure what other big players might get dropped by a technical foul

Isn't the real headline out of this that Gillibrand isn't really a big player?  You cannot you be a big player if you cannot get support and raise money. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 29, 2019, 11:03:54 am
Isn't the real headline out of this that Gillibrand isn't really a big player?  You cannot you be a big player if you cannot get support and raise money.
I 100% agree...she looked like a contender early on when there were only 5 people running
heck I think Gravel has more support
Was never a big fan to begin with
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on May 29, 2019, 01:12:58 pm
Isn't the real headline out of this that Gillibrand isn't really a big player?  You cannot you be a big player if you cannot get support and raise money.
I 100% agree...she looked like a contender early on when there were only 5 people running
heck I think Gravel has more support
Was never a big fan to begin with

We dislike her for different reasons.  I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done.  But in the end, that's why she's flailing, she's no one's first choice.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 29, 2019, 01:24:05 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...

this never sat well with me "Gillibrand had an 'A' rating from the NRA"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on May 29, 2019, 01:46:35 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
I wholeheartedly agree with gavroche and would love to see Julian name her his VP nominee (for the future).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on May 29, 2019, 05:15:25 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
I wholeheartedly agree with gavroche and would love to see Julian name her his VP nominee (for the future).

This is why I dislike her, she's a longterm moderate who decided to tack left but it just hasn't felt natural for her.

As for Franken, I think he needed to go and I am glad she pushed him.  There was a moment there when I thought he might survive and I think giving up that moral high ground is too costly.  I'm sorry that it felt calculating when she did it, but that is more about her move left.   

We cannot have any tolerance for sexual harassment.  Mock groping a sleeping woman, even as a joke, is not ok and there were pictures.  The woman in the picture said she didn't consent and that she felt harassed, and so you have to take her at her word.  I don't care that Republicans will never live up to that standard. Let them be the party of sexual harassment; we need to keep up a firm distinction

I don't care that Franken was charming and effective at taking on Trump.  The long term moral erosion from keeping him was too high.  Minor harassment cannot be excused just because the other sides' candidates are worse harassers.  In the end if we do that, we just end up in the same place.

I think the Northam Virginia thing is a good example of what happens when you worry too much about the immediate and don't maintain your moral compass.  The Dems will keep the Governorship in the short term, but I think it is going to have long term corrosive impact for the whole party, and hurt their chances of taking back the VA House and Senate. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 29, 2019, 05:46:48 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
This is why I dislike her, she's a longterm moderate who decided to tack left but it just hasn't felt natural for her.
  Until you said it that way and I did more research...I kind of agree
when I saw she got an A from the NRA was about all I needed to know

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We cannot have any tolerance for sexual harassment.  Mock groping a sleeping woman, even as a joke, is not ok and there were pictures.
So I don't know what the middle ground is here.  I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I assume that your stance is there is no reconciliation for past bad behavior
I too struggle with this, but I felt his 'crimes' were pretty low level...but still offensive none the less...

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The long term moral erosion from keeping him was too high.  Minor harassment cannot be excused
I don't think it should be excused, but not sure the punishment fits the crime
but you do have to take a stand at some point and say harassment is harassment and it has to stop. 

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I think the Northam Virginia thing .... The Dems will keep the Governorship in the short term, but I think it is going to have long term corrosive impact for the whole party, and hurt their chances of taking back the VA House and Senate.
I don't know if I agree with this...although not sure
I really didn't think he'd survive that and he's out there getting shit done
stuff I'm glad he's there doing
"signs law to remove autism health coverage age cap" 
"Northam vetoed a bill that would have allowed the General Assembly to redraw legislative districts, apart from the redistricting process in the year following the census."

I'm hoping to see one where he gets his pledge to make community college free for VA residents too


The good thing for him is that VA is a one term Governorship...so he won't have to run for reelection
Will it hurt the Dems chances to take the house...I'm not sure
I think he has had a very documented history of doing things for the African American community and I think they will remember that
He definitely fumbled the response, but I'm glad he didn't resign
Just means he's going to have to do a lot more for the AA community and that's not a bad thing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on May 29, 2019, 08:49:36 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
This is why I dislike her, she's a longterm moderate who decided to tack left but it just hasn't felt natural for her.
  Until you said it that way and I did more research...I kind of agree
when I saw she got an A from the NRA was about all I needed to know

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We cannot have any tolerance for sexual harassment.  Mock groping a sleeping woman, even as a joke, is not ok and there were pictures.
So I don't know what the middle ground is here.  I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I assume that your stance is there is no reconciliation for past bad behavior
I too struggle with this, but I felt his 'crimes' were pretty low level...but still offensive none the less...

Quote
The long term moral erosion from keeping him was too high.  Minor harassment cannot be excused
I don't think it should be excused, but not sure the punishment fits the crime
but you do have to take a stand at some point and say harassment is harassment and it has to stop. 

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I think the Northam Virginia thing .... The Dems will keep the Governorship in the short term, but I think it is going to have long term corrosive impact for the whole party, and hurt their chances of taking back the VA House and Senate.
I don't know if I agree with this...although not sure
I really didn't think he'd survive that and he's out there getting shit done
stuff I'm glad he's there doing
"signs law to remove autism health coverage age cap" 
"Northam vetoed a bill that would have allowed the General Assembly to redraw legislative districts, apart from the redistricting process in the year following the census."

I'm hoping to see one where he gets his pledge to make community college free for VA residents too


The good thing for him is that VA is a one term Governorship...so he won't have to run for reelection
Will it hurt the Dems chances to take the house...I'm not sure
I think he has had a very documented history of doing things for the African American community and I think they will remember that
He definitely fumbled the response, but I'm glad he didn't resign
Just means he's going to have to do a lot more for the AA community and that's not a bad thing

tl;dr
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 30, 2019, 01:05:37 pm
LOL Joe, come on man...

Greenpeace Gives Joe Biden a D- on Climate Change Report Card (http://time.com/5598313/jo-biden-climate-change-report-card/)

Full report is here (https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/climate2020/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 30, 2019, 01:14:59 pm
I really don’t get the point of targeting Fox watchers
First of all it’s rather weak and pathetic...target them in the presidential debates or anywhere else...Fox is the enemy period...the sooner we get that the better
Upcoming Dem candidates on Fox town halls....little last gasp-y
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand: June 2
Julián Castro: June 13

Harris and Warren steadfastly will not

poor Eric Swalwell told CNN he "would absolutely do a Fox town hall," but the network turned him down.

Biden has no comment on this issue
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 30, 2019, 01:41:28 pm
You make my point...only weak candidates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 30, 2019, 01:47:42 pm
You make my point...only weak candidates
that was part of my point

Hey strong candidates like Bern, Butt and Klob all appeared and got a nice bump

("you've got the "Klob-Butt-Bern" sounds like something you don't want to hear from your proctologist)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on May 30, 2019, 02:04:04 pm
Huh? Bern is getting clobbered
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 30, 2019, 02:59:11 pm
Huh? Bern is getting clobbered
he's still #2 by a long shot...with 22 people eating lots of his dust
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 31, 2019, 01:00:22 pm
In somewhat good news
...looks like Nevada is just a signature away from adding it's 6 votes to the National Popular Vote interstate compact
Looks like I was being optimistic that a Dem gov would sign this :(

Quote
and Felons...
although he did give 70k felons the right to vote in the same day!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on May 31, 2019, 01:16:16 pm
...Fox is the enemy period...the sooner we get that the better
Nice one slate!
Daughters Don’t Let Their Mothers Watch Fox News
How to use “parental lock” to prevent your parents from tuning in to cable news. (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/07/how-to-use-parental-lock-to-stop-your-parents-from-watching-fox-news.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on May 31, 2019, 01:27:46 pm
So I don't know what the middle ground is here.  I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I assume that your stance is there is no reconciliation for past bad behavior
I too struggle with this, but I felt his 'crimes' were pretty low level...but still offensive none the less...

Will it hurt the Dems chances to take the house...I'm not sure
I think he has had a very documented history of doing things for the African American community and I think they will remember that


I believe there should be no tolerance for sexual harassment in the workplace and that it should be doubly so for public servants.  Being a politician SHOULD require higher standards.  No individual politician is worth sacrificing the moral high ground for.

I think this is morally true, but also strategically so. The R's gain strength by breaking government (which proves their theory that government is broken) and double down on racism and misogyny.  The D's can only be successful by governing well and being strong against racism and misogyny. 

As for Northam, I do not see how having a racist Gov and a rapist Lt Gov can do anything but hurt turnout in an off year state wide election.  It just creates a sense that there are no good politicians, and that both sides are the same.  For a party thats base is women and minorities, that feeling is incredibly damaging in the long term.

I also think that the Dems push to attract corporate money (the Bill Clinton strategy) has undermined the party.  Same deal with Labour in the UK. Without the worker vs. capital dichotomy it was necessary to find a new "other" to explain inequality.  The D's haven't found one.  The R's are able to other immigrants, minorities, Muslims, etc... It was smart politics in the short term, but damaging long term.  That's how I feel about Biden (and his ilk).  He might be the best chance to win now, but long term I think his politics are unstable.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on May 31, 2019, 03:19:21 pm
gavroche knows what's up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 04, 2019, 11:30:52 am
 I like this idea
 as we already know what the senate will do if we impeach any earlier

Impeach Trump on the day before the election (https://theweek.com/articles/844954/impeach-trump-day-before-election)

Rather than beginning impeachment proceedings tomorrow, Democrats should take the next year to continue investigating and litigating to obtain the documents and testimony they need. They then should summon the House from its regularly scheduled summer recess in 2020 to launch official impeachment hearings that would culminate during the Republican National Convention from August 24-27, 2020. Instead of proceeding to a vote after both sides have presented their cases, as would be customary in normal times, Speaker Pelosi could make up some smirking Mitch McConnell nonsense about how Democrats need to think about this for a really, really long time. Then, in the most devastating move possible, she should recall her caucus either the Friday or Monday before the November election to officially vote to impeach the president. Members can fly in and out of D.C. for the roll call vote and be back in their districts by mid-day. Good night and good luck.

President Trump would lose his mind. A sitting president has never run for re-election after getting impeached, let alone been forced to contest the election prior to a Senate trial. It would create absolute bedlam for his campaign. Contrary to the n-of-1 Clinton era conventional wisdom, getting impeached does not actually boost your reputation.


it would also remove the most common political objection to the process, which is that the Senate will never convict him, and that his acquittal will give him a huge boost heading into the election.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 04, 2019, 11:39:14 am
also...must say I'm liking Warren's  "Green Manufacturing Plan"
gonna cost a lot of bacon tho...but it really would be the kind of investments the Gov't should be making

The three elements of Warren's plan include...

    Green Apollo Program:
Focused on clean energy manufacturing, the program would invest $400 billion in funding toward "clean energy research and development."
    Green Industrial Mobilization:
A $1.5 trillion investment to purchase "American-made clean, renewable, and emission-free energy products for federal, state, and local use, and for export."
    Green Marshall Plan:
A new federal office focused on selling green, American-made products abroad that calls for $100 billion in investment towards "assisting countries to purchase and deploy this technology."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 05, 2019, 02:23:18 pm
now this shit is getting real
 Chipotle may raise burrito prices (https://wtvr.com/2019/06/03/chipotle-burrito-prices/?fbclid=IwAR1ZDGgySzp5Pw-yY-CgfAAW2oXX2NwVKPkg4cd-hI5CBWJRGNGY14KZfXw)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 10:24:20 am
I'm starting to agree with this line of thought
Beto, Hickenlooper and Montana Gov. Steve Bullock should run for Senate instead of continuing to pursue presidential ambitions.

The filing deadline in Texas  Dec. 9, meaning a decision will have to come just under two months prior to the Iowa caucuses.
Colorado and Montana, the deadlines in both states occur after Super Tuesday,


there would still be 20 candidates running!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2019, 10:50:52 am
Who would Beto lose to this time?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 10:56:49 am
Who would Beto lose to this time?
John Cornyn

And he did lose, but was a nail biter for a state that is DEEP Red

Ted Cruz      4,260,553    50.89%    
Beto O'Rourke    4,045,632    48.33%    

200k in 8mill is pretty close

now he's got the name recognition too
So I think he has a better chance at being a senator than being the next Dem
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 10, 2019, 11:11:50 am
Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.

Who would Beto lose to this time?
John Cornyn

And he did lose, but was a nail biter for a state that is DEEP Red

Ted Cruz      4,260,553    50.89%    
Beto O'Rourke    4,045,632    48.33%    

200k in 8mill is pretty close

now he's got the name recognition too
So I think he has a better chance at being a senator than being the next Dem
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 11:33:22 am
Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.

He did raise a Significant amount of money from outside of texas (like $25Mil)
My mom (FL/NY) and I know an number of people here in the DC are who supported his senate run

Now mostly because they hate Cruz, but he's got the kind of charisma we need in a presidential candidate

But I think he should WIN a senate seat first or Govnership...then run in 2028 or 2032
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 10, 2019, 11:45:36 am
Beto isn't really my cup of tea (he's all style and zero substance IMO), but obviously I'd support him against Cruz. You couldn't ask for a better race to gain national attention...young, good-looking, punk rock-loving dude clearly ripping off Obama vs. loathsome melted gargoyle.  It's not wonder everyone was invested in him.

But transitioning immediately from a loss to a presidential run seems like it would only hurt you long-term, where as staying local and winning would just build the brand.

Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.

He did raise a Significant amount of money from outside of texas (like $25Mil)
My mom (FL/NY) and I know an number of people here in the DC are who supported his senate run

Now mostly because they hate Cruz, but he's got the kind of charisma we need in a presidential candidate

But I think he should WIN a senate seat first or Govnership...then run in 2028 or 2032
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 11:49:55 am
sounds like we agree....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 10, 2019, 12:04:05 pm
(he's all style and zero substance IMO),
It worked for Barack Obama.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 10, 2019, 12:14:15 pm
Yep

sounds like we agree....

Also agree

(he's all style and zero substance IMO),
It worked for Barack Obama.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 12:39:38 pm
Beto isn't really my cup of tea (he's all style and zero substance IMO), but obviously I'd support him against Cruz. You couldn't ask for a better race to gain national attention...young, good-looking, punk rock-loving dude clearly ripping off Obama vs. loathsome melted gargoyle.  It's not wonder everyone was invested in him.

But transitioning immediately from a loss to a presidential run seems like it would only hurt you long-term, where as staying local and winning would just build the brand.

Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.

He did raise a Significant amount of money from outside of texas (like $25Mil)
My mom (FL/NY) and I know an number of people here in the DC are who supported his senate run

Now mostly because they hate Cruz, but he's got the kind of charisma we need in a presidential candidate

But I think he should WIN a senate seat first or Govnership...then run in 2028 or 2032

Problem for Beto is that he is from Texas and so he has nowhere local to go.  The Ted Cruz race was his best chance to win statewide.  Everyone hates Ted Cruz (even his Republican colleagues).  He raised a ton of money in 2018,  but coming off a loss and in a Presidential race he's not going to get the same support.  Plus the longer he's in government the more he gets defined and the more he angers people.  I feel like his moment is now or never (and it just might be never).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 10, 2019, 12:57:13 pm
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 12:59:57 pm
Problem for Beto is that he is from Texas and so he has nowhere local to go.  The Ted Cruz race was his best chance to win statewide.  Everyone hates Ted Cruz (even his Republican colleagues).  He raised a ton of money in 2018,  but coming off a loss and in a Presidential race he's not going to get the same support.  Plus the longer he's in government the more he gets defined and the more he angers people.  I feel like his moment is now or never (and it just might be never).
which is an easier win?
Cruz v Beto 2016
v
Cornyn v Beto 2020

I think he has a chance with Cornyn...nation wide Cruz is despised, but obviously has some support in TX
I don't know enough about TX or Cornyn to know if this is a good idea or not
sucks he has to decide by Dec 9th...that's the issue here

Also MJ Hegar, female Air Force helicopter pilot and combat Vet is already running and getting some attention...especially from the DNC

would love to get a dem in texas...but there's this
Democrats have not won statewide in Texas in 25 years.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2019, 01:04:23 pm
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?

Front a Ramones cover band while wearing a onesie and a sheep mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hV7h1DuotU
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 01:06:23 pm
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?

Front a Ramones cover band while wearing a onesie and a sheep mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hV7h1DuotU
at least he's got a plan B if this politics thing doesn't work out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2019, 02:02:49 pm
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?

Front a Ramones cover band while wearing a onesie and a sheep mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hV7h1DuotU
at least he's got a plan B if this politics thing doesn't work out

Live off his wife's money like a true punk rocker.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 10, 2019, 02:34:49 pm
Are we catching up on our weekend Economist reading in this thread?

The Senate, the Senate
Democrats running for president are selling plans to transform America (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/06/06/democrats-running-for-president-are-selling-plans-to-transform-america)
The Senate is likely to render them mere pipe-dreams

Democrats have not won statewide in Texas in 25 years.[/i]

True.  But they did pick up 2 state Senate seats and 12 seats in the State House in a midterm election where turnout generally favors Republicans.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 02:57:59 pm
Are we catching up on our weekend Economist reading in this thread?
I've become a full-on Axios junkie
I do think I need to fit Economist in there more (although $220 a year for the digital sub is making me think I won't be reading much)

heard this woman talk the other day and this sounds interesting
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71tu0u0zkuL._AC_UL436_.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 03:42:24 pm
Are we catching up on our weekend Economist reading in this thread?

The Senate, the Senate
Democrats running for president are selling plans to transform America (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/06/06/democrats-running-for-president-are-selling-plans-to-transform-america)
The Senate is likely to render them mere pipe-dreams

Democrats have not won statewide in Texas in 25 years.[/i]

True.  But they did pick up 2 state Senate seats and 12 seats in the State House in a midterm election where turnout generally favors Republicans.

This analysis really depends on what you think happened in 2018 and what it means for 2020.  Was 2018 a normal midterm and so we should expect Dems to do better in 2020?  Did Trump energize both bases and so you should expect similar patterns in 2020?  Or will Trump being on the ballot actually increase R turnout in 2020, thus making it harder for Dems to win state wise? 

My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.


It also depends a bit on what you think is more telling.  Cornyn has lower positives and lower negatives than Cruz.  Is it better or worse to have everyone already locked in on you?  My sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz... but you can credibly make both arguments.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 04:31:46 pm
My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.

my sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz.
you are a very sense-itive person I see :)

although I want to believe different...you nailed it on #1
#2...hard to say.  I really don't know how the avg Texan thinks of Cruz...sounds like they are split, but he had enough of a base to deliver the mid-term election. 
I don't really know how anyone can like Cruz, but alas he has a deep base.   Was #3 or 4 in the 2016 republican primary too

Cornyn....he seems like a texan's texan and will be hard to unseat that incumbent
but Beto proved he can turn out the vote, I think if he's on the ticket and can really energize Dems to come to the polls...could also be a game changer on who TX picks for pres....but I'm not holding my breath

Just found this from feb
Cornyn less popular than Cruz in Texas: poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/431645-cornyn-less-popular-than-cruz-in-texas-poll)

I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 04:38:21 pm
My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.

my sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz.
you are a very sense-itive person I see :)

although I want to believe different...you nailed it on #1
#2...hard to say.  I really don't know how the avg Texan thinks of Cruz...sounds like they are split, but he had enough of a base to deliver the mid-term election. 
I don't really know how anyone can like Cruz, but alas he has a deep base.   Was #3 or 4 in the 2016 republican primary too

Cornyn....he seems like a texan's texan and will be hard to unseat that incumbent
but Beto proved he can turn out the vote, I think if he's on the ticket and can really energize Dems to come to the polls...could also be a game changer on who TX picks for pres....but I'm not holding my breath

Just found this from feb
Cornyn less popular than Cruz in Texas: poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/431645-cornyn-less-popular-than-cruz-in-texas-poll)

I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that

That's the poll I was referring to.  Notice Cornyn is less popular, but he also has less people that hate also polls much less negatively too.  I think in an R leaning state that would make Cornyn a stronger candidate because he has more potential upside.  But again, just my instincts; I'm definitely not a Texan.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 04:39:49 pm
Beto and Bill going with Strummer! (which means they will lose ;))
John D with a good pick for a candidate
Gillibrand going with the only edgy pick on here
Tim Ryan should be booted out on that pick alone

19 Democratic candidates visited the Iowa Democratic Party's Hall of Fame yesterday to deliver a five-minute campaign pitch to a throng of state party activists — and they hit the stage with a walk-out song of their own choosing, per TIME's Lissandra Villa:

    Michael Bennet: "The Rising," Bruce Springsteen
    Cory Booker: "Lovely Day," Bill Withers
    Steve Bullock: "Small Town," John Mellencamp
    Pete Buttigieg: "Never Giving Up," Batchelor
    Bill de Blasio: "Rudie Can't Fail," The Clash
    John Delaney: "I've Been Everywhere," Johnny Cash
    Tulsi Gabbard: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough," Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
    Kirsten Gillibrand: "Good as Hell," Lizzo
    Kamala Harris: "Work That," Mary J. Blige
    John Hickenlooper: "Good Life," OneRepublic
    Jay Inslee: "Mr. Blue Sky," Electric Light Orchestra
    Amy Klobuchar: "The Bullpen," Dessa
    Beto O'Rourke: "Clampdown," The Clash
    Tim Ryan: "Old Town Road," Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus
    Bernie Sanders: "Power to the People," John Lennon
    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins
    Elizabeth Warren: "9 to 5," Dolly Parton
    Marianne Williamson: "Higher Ground," Stevie Wonder
    Andrew Yang: "Return of the Mack," Mark Morrison
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 04:40:51 pm
I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that

Sadly, I think you need to make that White Military Women.  (Though I not so secretly think that Tammy Duckworth would be the Dems strongest candidate against Trump in a national election).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 04:49:20 pm

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins


I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 10, 2019, 04:53:13 pm
Yang and Gillibrand are the interesting choices.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 04:53:24 pm

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins


I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.
never heard that before, but sounds like what AI would do if it was asked to create a Nash-vegas song
(just watched the video... at the end is pure fiction that would be the crowd that shows up at an Atkins show)

I had to look up Pete's too...kinda edgy, but I'm a little shocked he didn't come out to a Mellencamp song
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 05:08:42 pm

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins


I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.

I had to look up a bunch of these, including Mayor Petes.  I actually found this exercise more telling than I thought.  I just don't think Swalwell pulls off country boy very authentically.

As for Mayor Pete, I just think it's weird signaling.

And of course Bernie picking the Lennon Power to the People says everything about him.  If he'd picked Curtis Mayfield I think the signal would have been better (and yes, I realize this is Iowa)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 10, 2019, 05:55:21 pm
    Steve Bullock: "Small Town," John Mellencamp
    Tulsi Gabbard: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough," Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
    Tim Ryan: "Old Town Road," Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus
    Elizabeth Warren: "9 to 5," Dolly Parton

^ cringe-worthy 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 10, 2019, 06:39:15 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 10, 2019, 07:03:50 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"

Trump has convinced 40% of the country that his lies are true... so it's not inconceivable that you could change my mind about
"Old Town Road."  Make your case.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 10, 2019, 08:22:11 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"

my cringing has less to do with the song itself, and more about its selection and who selected it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 08:57:10 pm

And of course Bernie picking the Lennon Power to the People says everything about him.  If he'd picked Curtis Mayfield I think the signal would have been better (and yes, I realize this is Iowa)
Funny I was going the other way of thinking and he should’ve done Patti Smith's people have the power
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 10, 2019, 11:45:39 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"
  Make your case.
I think you have been called out and I'm interested in your response.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/GO.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on June 11, 2019, 10:18:25 am
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2019, 07:19:45 pm
I think you have been called out and I'm interested in your response.

Trump has convinced 40% of the country that his lies are true... so it's not inconceivable that you could change my mind about
"Old Town Road."  Make your case.

(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/landscape_928x523/2017/06/blazing_saddles_074303_007c.jpg)

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2019, 07:28:10 pm
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/

I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article (https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/4/8/18299972/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-billy-ray-cyrus-remix-number-one-charts-country-rap) sums up most of my thoughts.

It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on.  It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 11, 2019, 07:35:45 pm
Trump has convinced 40% of the country that they don't need to care about his lies...

FTFY.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2019, 10:16:02 pm
I'm halfway through this podcast excontradiction, and loving it. Thanks for the share.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 12, 2019, 08:45:13 am
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/

I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article (https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/4/8/18299972/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-billy-ray-cyrus-remix-number-one-charts-country-rap) sums up most of my thoughts.

It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on.  It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.
I get that and I'm impressed by the non-musical aspect
Especially the cross-genre aspect that really hasn't been breached since DMC/Areosmith's 'Walk this way'
honestly I'm still shocked that 98% of music is still coming from the 'system' and more small self-made acts aren't getting attention with the ability to distribute for free for over a decade

it's slightly catchy tune, but after 3 listens, I've heard it more that I ever wanted to hear it

That link in Excon pod cast is killer too
https://twitter.com/BOONAPALISTA/status/1114744304910647297
amy
@BOONAPALISTA
In celebration of lil nas x and billy ray cyrus collaborating for the old town road remix, here’s a thread of Black artists and their collaborations with country music stars:
🤠
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 12, 2019, 09:01:48 am
19 Democratic candidates visited the Iowa Democratic Party's Hall of Fame yesterday to deliver a five-minute campaign pitch to a throng of state party activists — and they hit the stage with a walk-out song of their own choosing,
now this is a funny response...what songs should the candidates NOT come out to
https://twitter.com/titonka/status/1138599971073249280

I think Dave Weigel wins
If Warren used Kendrick Lamar’s “DNA”

for sweets...Yakety Sax got a mention
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 12, 2019, 10:57:01 am
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/

I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article (https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/4/8/18299972/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-billy-ray-cyrus-remix-number-one-charts-country-rap) sums up most of my thoughts.

It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on.  It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.

Gotta admit, I didn't know any of the back story and I'm sort of impressed.  It's a horrible song, but this is all about virtue signaling anyway.  In some sort of weird way it does sort of say, "I'm country, but I'm not racist."  Now I'd like Tim Ryan to disappear again. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on June 12, 2019, 11:43:36 am
I'm halfway through this podcast excontradiction, and loving it. Thanks for the share.

:) it's one if my favorites. Check the Lizzo episode too!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 12, 2019, 05:12:06 pm
You're all welcome. 

And thank you excontradiction - I have absolutely no time to add another podcast to my repertoire, but I will!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 12, 2019, 11:01:41 pm
I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 13, 2019, 08:38:36 am
You're all welcome. 
so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks


caught the Billie E podcast from switchedonpop yesterday...good stuff
in the queue (of a long list of other podcasts that rarely get listened to)

I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6
the last note in the article is required reading for those claiming to 'cure cancer'
the ambition of this one overlooks a lot of complexities of the disease — like, for example, the fact that “cancer” is actually more than 100 diseases and therefore not likely treatable with a single cure-all.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 13, 2019, 08:55:41 am
I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6

Wife: "Joe Biden needs to suck dick and go away, and let Bernie win."

Kid: "What? Joe Biden is gay?"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 13, 2019, 11:33:05 am

I'm really hoping https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ has some wins before 2020...
The National Popular Vote interstate compact would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
of course TX, FL, IA and OH aren't even considering this...but we can always hope
Good news people....only 89 more electoral college votes to go to make this a reality
 
Ok...we got Oregon...Maine is looking good...still a little pissed at NV Governor Steve Sleestak

It has been enacted into law in 16 jurisdictions with 196 electoral votes (CA, CO, CT, DC, DE, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA).
 The bill will take effect when enacted by states with 74 more electoral votes.   

People...this is THE issue that can unite people (maybe weed too )
The message has to be clear and the arguments in response do too
one person=one vote
Every person voting for president should have equal weight

also...Executive branch is for all Americans
Congress/legislative is for the States as a balance of power to the Exec


https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/section_9.4
 MYTH: The small states would be disadvantaged by a national popular vote.

    The small states (the 13 states with only three or four electoral votes) are the most disadvantaged and ignored group of states under the current state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes. The reason is that political power in presidential elections comes from being a closely divided battleground state, and almost all of the small states are noncompetitive states in presidential elections.
    The small states are not ignored because of their low population, but because they are not closely divided battleground states. The 12 small non-battleground states have about the same population (12 million) as the closely divided battleground state of Ohio. The 12 small states have 40 electoral votes—more than twice Ohio’s 18 electoral votes. However, Ohio received 73 of 253 post-convention campaign events in 2012, while the 12 small non-battleground states received none.
    The current state-by-state winner-take-all system actually shifts power from voters in the small and medium-sized states to voters in a handful of big states that happen to be closely divided battleground states in presidential elections.
    The fact that the small states are disadvantaged by the current state-by-state winner-take-all system has long been recognized by prominent officials from those states. In 1966, Delaware led a group of 12 predominantly small states in suing New York (then a closely divided battleground state) in the U.S. Supreme Court in an effort to get state winner-take-all statutes declared unconstitutional.
    Under the current state-by-state winner-take-all system, a vote for President in Wyoming is equal to a vote in California—both are politically irrelevant.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 13, 2019, 01:07:14 pm
Tell Celeste I said...hello

I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6

Wife: "Joe Biden needs to suck dick and go away, and let Bernie win."

Kid: "What? Joe Biden is gay?"
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 13, 2019, 03:37:48 pm
Wife: "Joe Biden needs to suck dick and go away, and let Bernie win."

"let bernie win"? 

how about bernie earns his win?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 13, 2019, 03:57:58 pm
LOL

Howard Schultz Announces Campaign Staff Cuts, Summer Hiatus (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/howard-schultz-campaign_n_5d014bc4e4b0304a120909d6?klw)

Two absolutely killer cuts:

1) My man threw out his back on a tour to think about running for president.

2) Always a sign of a healthy system!: "Schultz said that if Biden does not appear to be the nominee, he would think about jumping into the presidential race after Super Tuesday."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 13, 2019, 06:15:20 pm
(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_24/2895036/190613-debate-candidate-collage-2-cs-111p_368693ea79ea8df02111df2748027ce3.fit-2000w.jpg)

The Democratic National Committee on Thursday named the 20 presidential candidates who qualified to appear on stage later this month in the first primary debate of the 2020 campaign.

They are:

Sen. Michael Bennet of Colorado
Former Vice President Joe Biden*
Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey*
South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg*
Former Housing Secretary Julián Castro*
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio
Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii*
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York*
Sen. Kamala Harris of California*
Former Gov. John Hickenlooper of Colorado
Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington*
Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota*
Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas*
Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio
Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont*
Rep. Eric Swalwell of California
Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts*
Author Marianne Williamson*
Entrepreneur Andrew Yang*

The DNC, which is sanctioning the debate, set two ways for candidates to qualify — fundraising and polling. To make the stage, candidates needed to have either at least 1 percent support in three qualifying polls, or provide evidence of at least 65,000 unique donors, with a minimum of 200 different donors in at least 20 states.

The candidates marked with an asterisk qualified through both polling and grassroots fundraising thresholds, the DNC said. The others qualified through polling only.

Those who did not meet the threshold for the first debate include: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel; Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam; and Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 14, 2019, 10:09:07 am
great image...what a goofy bunch.  looks like a promo for some bizarre Paradise island reality tv

This announcement of these guys not making the cut...was probably the best press coverage they got
3 less white guys is probably not a bad idea
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 14, 2019, 11:26:49 am
so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks

There is no room in either party for a pragmatic centrist with socially liberal stances, matched with fiscal conservatism.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 14, 2019, 12:59:46 pm
June 26 lineup: Cory Booker, Julián Castro, John Delaney, Bill de Blasio, Tulsi Gabbard, Jay Inslee, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O’Rourke, Tim Ryan, Elizabeth Warren

June 27 lineup: Michael Bennet, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, John Hickenlooper, Bernie Sanders, Eric Swalwell, Marianne Williamson
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 14, 2019, 01:20:34 pm
Those who did not meet the threshold for the first debate include: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel; Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam; and Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.

Gotta admit that I'm deeply disappointed that Mike Gravel didn't make the stage: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/magazine/mike-gravel-teens-twitter-presidential-campaign.html

I'd trade in Swalwell any day (I still miss you "Pete" Stark)!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on June 14, 2019, 02:15:19 pm
June 26 lineup: Cory Booker, Julián Castro, John Delaney, Bill de Blasio, Tulsi Gabbard, Jay Inslee, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O’Rourke, Tim Ryan, Elizabeth Warren

June 27 lineup: Michael Bennet, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, John Hickenlooper, Bernie Sanders, Eric Swalwell, Marianne Williamson

What network(s) is this going to be on and what time Aloha time? We don't normally have cable, but we might on vacation. That's assuming I can tear myself away from watching Steph Curry's new mini golf show.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 14, 2019, 02:28:15 pm
From what the teens say, they're on the path to get into the second debate (fingers crossed).  Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO...and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing.  It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.

Those who did not meet the threshold for the first debate include: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel; Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam; and Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.

Gotta admit that I'm deeply disappointed that Mike Gravel didn't make the stage: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/magazine/mike-gravel-teens-twitter-presidential-campaign.html

I'd trade in Swalwell any day (I still miss you "Pete" Stark)!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 14, 2019, 02:46:14 pm
What network(s) is this going to be on and what time Aloha time? We don't normally have cable, but we might on vacation. That's assuming I can tear myself away from watching Steph Curry's new mini golf show.

You just gave me a great idea!  I'm going to invent something where you can type in queries and get answers "instantly."  And if it works, I'm going to make it work by voice on any device!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 14, 2019, 02:50:32 pm
Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO...and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing.  It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.

Before the conspiracy theories start, it was by lottery and made certain that those with above 2% were equally distributed across the two nights with those with less.  Representatives from all candidates were present.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 14, 2019, 02:54:34 pm
No conspiracy theories on my end.  I probably should've phrased it as "also interesting that Bernie and warren...".  I think this benefits both of them early on.

Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO...and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing.  It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.

Before the conspiracy theories start, it was by lottery and made certain that those with above 2% were equally distributed across the two nights with those with less.  Representatives from all candidates were present.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2019, 01:19:03 pm
Man, you make one little comment about how cool it is to pal around with segregationists and suddenly everyone is against you?!?! WTF!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 19, 2019, 01:37:50 pm
I assume this is at Mitch...but don't know the details
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2019, 02:05:48 pm
You're pal and mine...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-cites-segregationist-senators-he-recalls-past-civility-senate-n1019211

I assume this is at Mitch...but don't know the details
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 19, 2019, 02:28:04 pm
here we go pointing our guns at each other

Hard to have been in the senate in the early 70s and not work with an outright racist in order to make compromises

My prediction is Joe is not long for this race
he has waaay too much baggage from a generation ago that the new left despises and are going to continue to point out every chance they or some dem-bro points out on twitter

I don't agree with Hutch that Joe is our only way to take PA/MI
I think plenty of these candidates can have support in the rust belt...just be wary of going too far left is my opnion

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2019, 02:31:06 pm
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.

here we go pointing our guns at each other

Hard to have been in the senate in the early 70s and not work with an outright racist in order to make compromises

My prediction is Joe is not long for this race
he has waaay too much baggage from a generation ago that the new left despises and are going to continue to point out every chance they or some dem-bro points out on twitter

I don't agree with Hutch that Joe is our only way to take PA/MI
I think plenty of these candidates can have support in the rust belt...just be wary of going too far left is my opnion
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 19, 2019, 02:41:04 pm
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.
Why...wouldn't it just be better to appeal to the voters that you (insert candidate) are the right choice
we don't have to play by the GOP playbook

I really think the Dem primary should be ranked choice
as a lot of people are convinced the 'safe bet' is biden and won't vote for who they really want
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 19, 2019, 03:36:34 pm
Yawn.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2019, 03:48:21 pm
Look, it's not like anyone is digging up dirt on old Joe...he's doing the job himself.   But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.
Why...wouldn't it just be better to appeal to the voters that you (insert candidate) are the right choice
we don't have to play by the GOP playbook

I really think the Dem primary should be ranked choice
as a lot of people are convinced the 'safe bet' is biden and won't vote for who they really want
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 19, 2019, 03:52:31 pm
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.
I'm glad Julian's America died after writing an article where I said if DFA1979 ever tried to cross the boarder into Julian's America, our guards would shoot him onside so that years later nkotb would have the wherewithal to clarify he doesn't actually want someone to assassinate Joe Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 19, 2019, 04:48:43 pm
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 20, 2019, 08:29:51 am
Just because one thing is bad doesn't mean the other is good.

I have plans to absolutely drop what i'm doing the second Trump dies and head to the first bar I can find to buy a round for everyone.  And beyond a few of the folks running, I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

But if the DNC doesn't get it's act together, they're going to make small gains (if any!) and make something much worse than Trump.  I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.

But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 20, 2019, 08:34:20 am
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!
seriously this is my point
Joe has baggage, but why do the dem's have to point it out and make it look like a cat fight
the media and Team trump will do enough it to fill everyone's mind

I will say that I though the DNA test thing warren did would have been her undoing
but she seems to be holding strong and getting lots of support

I know NKOTB is going to whine, but I don't think the primary voters are going to fall in love with Bernie
I think he has a strong base, but it has a ceiling and it's not very high IMO
I really like a lot of his ideas, but don't think he's going to cross the finish line

Pete too, he's getting a lot of attention now, but this won't last.  He really is perfect for the democratic party and I look forward to him as a future leader.  He also seems like the kind of guy who will be scandal free


Yikes...just read this The president said he was thinking about live-tweeting the upcoming Democratic presidential debates
going to be like shooting fish in a barrel :(
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 20, 2019, 09:46:22 am
I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

 I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.
yikes dude, there is not a single D (well gravel and maybe manchin) that is worse that Trump
you have to have the power to make change (internally as well)
but that you would not vote or vote for trump because you didn't get the perfect dem is pure insanity

stop smoking crack during the work day
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 20, 2019, 10:03:31 am
so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks

There is no room in either party for a pragmatic centrist with socially liberal stances, matched with fiscal conservatism.
I don't know man...I think there is a demand for this
Not sure you'd want all 18k posts dug up by brietbart and shared with the world
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 20, 2019, 02:06:37 pm
85% is pretty high, I think, especially given I couldn't tell you word one about a handful of them and two (Hickenlooper and Delaney) i only know about for them getting booed.!  But just because I'm not sold on any of these folks doesn't mean I would ever vote for Trump, or any Republican, for that matter.  Fuck those guys into the sun.

Even though i think centrism is going to be the death of us all, there's a lot I'd be willing to bend for in the general, but the environment isn't one.  At this point, anyone that's not full tilt into throwing all resources behind it isn't getting my vote.  Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.

I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

 I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.
yikes dude, there is not a single D (well gravel and maybe manchin) that is worse that Trump
you have to have the power to make change (internally as well)
but that you would not vote or vote for trump because you didn't get the perfect dem is pure insanity

stop smoking crack during the work day
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on June 20, 2019, 02:07:34 pm
Unrelated, I did finally hear Old Town Road this morning (albeit from a 3rd grade ukulele concert) and I think it's safe to say I hate it yet somehow it still slaps.  Perfect song.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 20, 2019, 02:19:54 pm
Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.
agree, but my feeling is ...get this shit done once we have regained the Exec and hopefully the senate
I don't think grandiose statements on achieving zero emissions by 2024 is needed.  I think showing that it is an important part of your platform and some outlines of how you'd do it

Like it or not...the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 20, 2019, 03:42:55 pm
even with the Trump dis...alleged pedophile Roy Moore announces he's running for Alabama Senate seat
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 21, 2019, 08:58:25 am
most things about joe I like...but his hatred of raves....is unconscionable
Biden hates Raves (https://www.facebook.com/consequence/videos/2668271416732517/)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 21, 2019, 10:30:31 am
Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.

Like it or not...the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D

This is a debatable statement.  The R's definitely don't think so, or they wouldn't be working so hard to suppress voters. Trump certainly hasn't been playing to the undecided either.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 21, 2019, 10:42:00 am
Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.

Like it or not...the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D


This is a debatable statement.  The R's definitely don't think so, or they wouldn't be working so hard to suppress voters. Trump certainly hasn't been playing to the undecided either.
I'm sure you have more intimate knowledge on this topic than I...but 2016 was decided by the undecided

Trump won voters who decided in the last week of the campaign by a 59-30 margin in Wisconsin, 55-38 in Florida, 54-37 in Pennsylvania and 50-39 in Michigan, according to exit polls, which was enough to flip the outcome of those four states and their 75 combined electoral votes.

but you are right, Trump doesn't think he needs them (which frankly is crazy, but that's on brand)
Donald Trump is confident his core coalition of die-hard supporters can propel him to a second term in the White House, asserting in a new interview that he may not even bother reaching out to swing voters in his reelection campaign.

“I think my base is so strong, I’m not sure that I have to do that,”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 21, 2019, 05:16:30 pm
Do you know who doesn't use the ballot box as a protest vote?

Republicans.  That's how they got George W. Bush and Donald Trump.

You can hate the system all you want, but if you don't fix it by election day, then you deserve what you get by protest voting on election day.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 22, 2019, 08:47:36 am
Do you know who doesn't use the ballot box as a protest vote?

Republicans.  That's how they got George W. Bush and Donald Trump.


Republicans have no problem protesting at the voter box, in the primaries (see Eric Cantor).  Even Trump was a protest vote in the primaries.  They do, however, seem more united in never voting for a Democrat. 

Worth noting, however, that the libertarians are consistently the strongest performing 3rd party, not the greens. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 24, 2019, 03:48:32 pm
then there was 25
Former Rep. Joe Sestak, a Navy veteran who twice ran unsuccessfully for a Senate seat in Pennsylvania, is now the 25th entrant into the Democratic presidential primary.

not a enticing bio...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 25, 2019, 10:51:47 am
anyone getting excited for the debates?

what are the drinking games related to this one
edit...someone is on this http://www.debatedrinking.com/

Did someone make a score card that we can use during the debates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 25, 2019, 12:31:22 pm
I won't be watching.  95% of those candidates won't even be on my ballot in March anyway and watching the debates won't change that.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 25, 2019, 12:55:08 pm
you are correct...still may be good TV...but probably not
Problem with the format is there are just too many people on stage

Maybe the DNC should post more one on one interview style videos of all the candidates (asking them all the same questions)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 25, 2019, 02:02:20 pm
Since this is the first major debate, chances are that a few will fuck themselves up pretty badly. I expect at least 5 to drop out by the end of next week.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 25, 2019, 02:19:07 pm
so should we get a deadpool going?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 27, 2019, 10:55:27 am
FOR THE FUTURE has never seemed so present.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 27, 2019, 11:08:46 am
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the night
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 27, 2019, 11:17:19 am
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the night
Heres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 27, 2019, 12:57:06 pm
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the night
Heres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
thanks for the summary now I don't have to waste my time finding it on youtube or whatever
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 27, 2019, 01:11:55 pm
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the night
Heres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
thanks for the summary now I don't have to waste my time finding it on youtube or whatever
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Barack-instead-of-Hillary fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WalkOnBack on June 27, 2019, 01:26:11 pm
I love politics.  two days ago . . . julian castro who?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 27, 2019, 01:29:27 pm
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.

FTFY
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 27, 2019, 01:53:03 pm
finally some good news
The Trump administration can’t add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census unless and until it does a better job of explaining why that question is necessary, the Supreme Court said in a deeply fractured decision Thursday morning.


actually the SCOTUS has been fairly good in 2019, not perfect, but not as horrible as imagined
well the unions aren't that happy

ack...didn't see this one
In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court said that cases about partisan gerrymandering are "beyond the reach of the federal courts" — a blow to voting-rights activists and Democrats.
I'm torn on this one, as states should govern how they do voting, but the problem is it such a sham
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 27, 2019, 02:22:27 pm
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.

FTFY
Not sure what you fixed?  Edit: oh you changed Barack to Bernie.

Keep telling yourself the lie that Barack Obama was a good President. He was an articulate Jimmy Carter that let #woke kids tell you how #woke they were. Accomplished nothing aside from being better than a replacement-level GOP President. (Which, I mean, is something to be fair.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 27, 2019, 02:30:44 pm
the ACA (albeit a weak version) and averting the depression are pretty good achievements in my book

that they didn't get more done when they had congress and the executive is a little nuts tho...
Dems are just too damn nice
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 27, 2019, 02:35:14 pm
the ACA (albeit a weak version) and averting the depression are pretty good achievements in my book

that they didn't get more done when they had congress and the executive is a little nuts tho...
Dems are just too damn nice
If Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 27, 2019, 02:40:18 pm

If Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
We would have still had a republican controlled congress....so no we would not have had M4A
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on June 27, 2019, 02:42:56 pm

If Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
We would have still had a republican controlled congress....so no we would not have had M4A
I mean, minus the part where the Dems took both the Congress and Senate in 2008, which is an unarguable fact, you’re absolutely right.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 27, 2019, 02:51:53 pm
I was also thinking you meant if hil became president in 2016....but you meant 2008
so in that case it's more likely...but not a slam dunk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on June 27, 2019, 02:56:27 pm
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.

FTFY
Not sure what you fixed?  Edit: oh you changed Barack to Bernie.

that's part of the edit, the other part is voting for hillary instead of bernie (as in, had bernie been chosen in 2016, he had a better chance of beating trump... instead, we got the imperfection that was hillary because, well, we needed to feel inspired by voting for a woman).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on June 28, 2019, 07:57:25 am
So what did you think bitches?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 28, 2019, 08:08:28 am
finally some good news

I'm torn on this one, as states should govern how they do voting, but the problem is it such a sham

Why should states govern how they do voting?  Isn't that why we needed a civil rights act?  Isn't it a much stronger principle that everyone should be allowed a vote that counts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on June 28, 2019, 08:31:11 am
Except when a State Supreme Court orders a recount as in Florida 2000

The Supreme Court makes it up as they go along. Shameful
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 28, 2019, 09:27:53 am
finally some good news

I'm torn on this one, as states should govern how they do voting, but the problem is it such a sham

Why should states govern how they do voting?  Isn't that why we needed a civil rights act?  Isn't it a much stronger principle that everyone should be allowed a vote that counts?
that's why I said I'm torn
we are the united STATES of America and I do believe in some sovereignty on how states do things free from the federal gov't.  I do think that is some of the genius of the founding fathers with the whole checks and balances thing

problem is its been used to implement jim crow laws and other heinous things with the code word "states rights"

but you are mixing two issues,
I don't think gerrymandering invalidates "that everyone should be allowed a vote" what it does do is give unequal representation of the state in the federal government of one party over the other
but the state got the correct amt of reps still (although trump is trying to change census stuff to favor his team)

So I do think there are two different things
as I feel electing the president is a federal issue, not a state issue and I think that should be wholly separate ...this is my opinion, not my interpretation of the constitution, which I'm not sure on that point

The inequities on that level are huge and that's why I'm for national popular vote
as I don't think that someone should win the presidency with 3mil less votes
and the winner takes all in some states REALLY invalidates peoples votes
this system discourages voters in extremely partisan states from even voting
Say you were a dem in AL...what's the point of voting for president
same if you were a republican in NY/CA, why vote

I think that has to stop

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 28, 2019, 09:48:16 am
I wanna say "can you believe' ...but I'm still shocked that a siting congressperson would say this

Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC
·
Jun 26
After tonight’s #DemocraticDebate.......that whole Trump 3rd term thing is looking better and better.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on June 28, 2019, 10:09:18 am

but you are mixing two issues,
I don't think gerrymandering invalidates "that everyone should be allowed a vote" what it does do is give unequal representation of the state in the federal government of one party over the other
but the state got the correct amt of reps still (although trump is trying to change census stuff to favor his team)



I think you are arguing form over function.  Gerrymandering is packing individuals into districts with like minded people in order to nullify their votes.  It's functionally no different than banning them from the polls.

State boundaries are fundamentally different.  They are a result of historic and geographic accidents that by and large have nothing to do with voting.  There is no intentionality there and while intentionality is hard to measure, it seems important to me.

The Constitution applies beyond federal elections.  Otherwise Alabama would be able to only have white men vote for governor.  Instead it has to get creative.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on June 28, 2019, 10:31:26 am
The Supreme Court can do whatever they want and do

They could easily limit gun right, limit gerrymandering etc

But they have a long history of horrible decisions which is why we needed the Scalia replacement and must win next year. RBG made a huge mistake not retiring while Obama was in office and now we are up against it.

Without some big luck the Supreme Court will be very conservative for the rest of our lives.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on June 28, 2019, 12:53:36 pm
The Supreme Court was right that there is nothing in the constitution from preventing political parties from giving themselves an advantage with voting districts.  It was a failed strategy.

File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.   
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on June 28, 2019, 01:13:17 pm
Ha ha... that is cause there weren’t any political parties when they wrote the Constitution!!!


The framers loathed political parties and saw them as a big threat to our system of government
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on June 28, 2019, 01:46:46 pm
File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.   
Interesting...that's how recreational Pot became legal in dc
I have got to imagine this has been tried before
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WalkOnBack on June 28, 2019, 01:57:41 pm
I like turtles.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 01, 2019, 03:42:54 am
The Supreme Court was right that there is nothing in the constitution from preventing political parties from giving themselves an advantage with voting districts.  It was a failed strategy.

File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.   

The argument is that it isn't enough to have the right to vote, but you also have to have the right to vote meaningfully.  Getting packed into a district takes away that right.  I think it's a strong argument, and would have won with a different Supreme Court.  Kennedy actually was receptive to it, but had issues with how to weight it. 

Functionally, if you can argue that you are allow to pack voters based on politics, it is a back door to eliminating minority voting power as well.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 02, 2019, 09:37:30 pm
, it is a back door to eliminating minority voting power as well.
but wait, aren't they the minority voting power...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 08, 2019, 09:25:47 am
caucuses...on paper they seem like a Greek ideal democracy...but in reality they kinda suck
this is an interesting turn on this front

Democrats in Iowa and Nevada will be able to vote over the phone (https://www.axios.com/iowa-nevada-caucus-primary-voting-phone-ec680092-602e-46f6-b41e-a5669a23e862.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 08, 2019, 09:30:52 am
caucuses...on paper they seem like a Greek ideal democracy...but in reality they kinda suck
this is an interesting turn on this front

Democrats in Iowa and Nevada will be able to vote over the phone (https://www.axios.com/iowa-nevada-caucus-primary-voting-phone-ec680092-602e-46f6-b41e-a5669a23e862.html)
Caucuses are terrible and raises the “price of admission” on voting. It’s no surprise that Bernie Sanders limited success in 2016 came on the backs of caucus states. Fuck caucuses.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 08, 2019, 09:38:41 am
Fuck caucuses.
I 100% agree...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 08, 2019, 12:31:10 pm
Caucasuses are only fun for political theory and game theory. 

Useless for everything else.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 08, 2019, 02:33:09 pm
show me the MONEY
2Q reporting

1. Buttigieg $24.8M
2. Biden $21.5M
3. Warren $19.1M
4. Sanders $18M
5. Harris $12M
6. Bennet $2.8M
7. Bullock $2M
8. Hickenlooper $1M

yes this was released a few days ago
but man, who would have guessed Mayor Pete to be on top of fundraising
not all campaigns reported yet (not due until July 15th)....what's not clear is the Debate bump in here
as I heard Harris cleaned up
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 08, 2019, 02:40:27 pm
Fundraising...the most useless stat out there...except for the political consultants who gobble it all up...or the media that takes a big chunk

Not to mention you have to look at how much money the candidates spent to get that money

There is something bizarre about arguing rich people should not give money but if it’s “the people” it’s democratic...if a rich person gives $50 that is bad but if a poor person gives $100 that is good?

Literally we have debate lineups being decided on number of contributors

The whole system wants to convince us it’s good to donate when in reality it’s just a waste

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 08, 2019, 02:46:34 pm
It’s sad that in America we literally measure a political campaign’s success by how much money they raise! I don’t know any other place that does it like this

American exceptionalism indeed
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 08, 2019, 02:51:01 pm
show me the MONEY
2Q reporting

1. Buttigieg $24.8M
2. Biden $21.5M
3. Warren $19.1M
4. Sanders $18M
5. Harris $12M
6. Bennet $2.8M
7. Bullock $2M
8. Hickenlooper $1M

yes this was released a few days ago
but man, who would have guessed Mayor Pete to be on top of fundraising
not all campaigns reported yet (not due until July 15th)....what's not clear is the Debate bump in here
as I heard Harris cleaned up

The gays have lots of disposable income, the blacks not so much.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 08, 2019, 02:55:28 pm
It’s sad that in America we literally measure a political campaign’s success by how much money they raise!
like it or not, it does show support
People are not going to give money to a candidate if they don't support them

I by no means think it is the only indicator of 'success' but it definitely a data point that can be looked at to give you a pulse on the campaign's support

other than polling (and I'm sometimes skeptical of that too) how else are you going to judge how much support a campaign has?

you have to look at how much money the candidates spent to get that money
that's a data point I'd like to see...is that available

this is interesting too
Majority of Americans say they won’t donate to 2020 presidential campaigns (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/28/majority-of-americans-wont-donate-to-2020-presidential-campaigns.html)
Only 8% of Americans have given to a 2020 presidential campaign so far,

so this does support your theory that it's too small of a sample of the likely voter...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 08, 2019, 04:03:10 pm
The only support measure that should matter is the votes counted
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 08, 2019, 04:08:03 pm
The only support measure that should matter is the votes counted
well duh...but that vote isn't until the spring and a cluster fuck because the way they do it (should just be on one day or if they have to 4 days ...one for every time zone)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 08, 2019, 04:09:51 pm
Swalwell is announcing just announced this afternoon (west coast time) that he is out.

Interestingly, LAT is reporting that Tom Steyer is in. Hmmm
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 08, 2019, 07:08:45 pm
Cool
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 08, 2019, 08:29:57 pm
Swalwell is announcing just announced this afternoon (west coast time) that he is out.

Interestingly, LAT is reporting that Tom Steyer is in. Hmmm

My old man eyes read that as "Tom Seaver." ...who would be an appropriate opponent for Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 08, 2019, 08:36:56 pm
CNN called Swalwell a "major" candidate. LOL
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 08, 2019, 08:49:35 pm
He is just too green...I saw him on Bill Maher and he was so awkward...he was better on Lawrence O’Donnell

I like him though...I think he should have announced earlier and stuck around until Iowa...the experience would have done him well...as it is it’s hard to even say he ran...I don’t get the point of the exercise
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 09, 2019, 09:26:33 am
Amy McGrath announces bid to take on Sen. Mitch McConnell in 2020

although...Trump won Kentucky by nearly 30 points in 2016
so seems there's a lot of support for insanity and corruption

This is one out of state campaign I'm considering donating too
I can't stand Mitch and it would be awesome for him to get beat by Amy




and with Swalwell (had to look up how to spell his name) out

...Steyer is in...with a boatload of cash
he promised to sink at least $100 million of his own money into his campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 09, 2019, 09:34:27 am
You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 09, 2019, 09:36:27 am
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Boo...let me wear my rose colored glasses
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 09, 2019, 09:45:13 am
I mean, probably, but why not keep trying to end this shithead?

You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 09, 2019, 09:50:13 am
I mean, probably, but why not keep trying to end this shithead?

You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk

Because you could spend that money on a candidate with a chance?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 09, 2019, 09:53:50 am
He is just too green...I saw him on Bill Maher and he was so awkward...he was better on Lawrence O’Donnell

I like him though...I think he should have announced earlier and stuck around until Iowa...the experience would have done him well...as it is it’s hard to even say he ran...I don’t get the point of the exercise

If there's a rule that you have to be 35 to run for president, there should also be rules that you can't be over 70, and you must have served in some other elected public position first.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 09, 2019, 09:56:04 am
LOL ok! https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/18/18271222/beto-orourke-fundraising-haul-2020-sanders

I mean, probably, but why not keep trying to end this shithead?

You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk

Because you could spend that money on a candidate with a chance?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 09, 2019, 10:21:32 am
Exactly....money doesn’t do much.


But I still say if you feel like donating try to help candidates with a chance.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 09, 2019, 10:27:58 am
Exactly....money doesn’t do much.
But I still say if you feel like donating try to help candidates with a chance.
I'm still not sure I agree with money doesn't do much...although I'm sure Jeb Bush would agree with you
and this early on, hard to say 'who has a chance' ....well Mike Gravel really doesn't
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 09, 2019, 10:44:07 am
On the topic of money...

Marianne Williamson Gives a Loving Lift to Fellow Peacemonger Mike Gravel
 (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/marianne-williamson-helps-gravel-raise-money-for-debates.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 09, 2019, 10:56:36 am
Anybody running against Mitch has no chance...he will win by at least 20 points
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 09, 2019, 10:59:32 am
Money can help the right candidate but Hillary had way more money than Trump

If money mattered that much Howard Dean would have been President


They WANT you to think it matters so you donate....
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 09, 2019, 11:51:24 am
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Boo...let me wear my rose colored glasses
this is interesting to note
McConnell’s approval rating is the lowest of any congressional leader, standing at only 25 percent, according to a Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey published earlier this year, and 36 percent in his home state of Kentucky, according to a Morning Consult survey conducted during the first quarter of 2019.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 09, 2019, 11:52:26 am
Polls schmolls


He wins by 20.....at least
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 09, 2019, 02:56:06 pm
I don’t get people that tell people not to run....seems very anti-democratic and un American


Now I can see trying to convince people not to vote third party once all candidates are announced for general but at this early point?

Anyone who wants to be president should run to be president...the more the better

I think Trump is more un-American and anti-democratic than telling a left-center guy not to run as an independent. Can't Ross Perot run as the independent choice instead of Schultz?

Ross Perot has announced he will not be running.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 09, 2019, 03:10:56 pm
Ross Perot has announced he will not be running.
potw
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/722db084f54097db5ff2be9fd73691cb/tenor.gif?itemid=12225857)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 09, 2019, 05:53:26 pm
I mean if you want to donate do so to the Senate candidates with a real chance like whoever picks up D nomination in AZ...a very flippable seat but will require hard work
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 10, 2019, 08:20:55 am
I dont know, McConnell's opponent has my vote!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_HQUEtWwAIAGdD?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 10, 2019, 08:40:11 am
So she wants people to vote for her because McConnell hasn’t done enough to help Trump?

Seriously?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 10, 2019, 09:05:19 am
I dont know, McConnell's opponent has my vote!
of course she has your tru-blue, inside the beltway, latte drinking, USWNT supporting, climate overexcited,  gender-dysphoric vote
but you don't live in KY...so matters little

question is can we inspire the people of KY to vote for her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 10, 2019, 09:53:01 am
On one hand, send McConnell on a rocket ship into the sun.

On the other, it'll be interesting to see how much push she gets from the DNC.  If her selling point is "let's help Trump do more things!", how is that any different from any other Republican in office?  It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.

EDIT: Should have started with the fact that I spit coffee at your description of me lol

I dont know, McConnell's opponent has my vote!
of course she has your tru-blue, inside the beltway, latte drinking, USWNT supporting, climate overexcited,  gender-dysphoric vote
but you don't live in KY...so matters little

question is can we inspire the people of KY to vote for her
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 10, 2019, 12:38:21 pm
  It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.

EDIT: Should have started with the fact that I spit coffee at your description of me lol
So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
I'm not a big fan of joe, but you have to play to your constituents

same as KY...could you imagine Gillibran or Harris running in that state...they'd be laughed off the stage
You need someone who is a Blue-Dog ...so a lean right Dem...but still a dem

and I'm glad someone likes my humor
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 10, 2019, 12:41:34 pm
Totally


But saying Mitch hasn’t done enough is not blue dog it’s wack dog

I mean come on!

NKOTB lives in Bernie fantasyland
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 10, 2019, 12:43:55 pm
Totally


But saying Mitch hasn’t done enough is not blue dog it’s wack dog

I mean come on!

NKOTB lives in Bernie fantasyland
well I think she is trying to win over KY voters who voted for Mitch...saying he didn't do any of the things he'd promised he'd do
I don't think her message is "I'm going to support trump and get trumps agenda done...so vote for me"
but there is some of trumps agenda that she might have to support...question is which part
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 10, 2019, 12:45:40 pm
Fair enough but those comments seemed politically tone deaf


Mitch has been Trump’s #1 ally
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 10, 2019, 12:57:35 pm
Mitch has been Trump’s #1 ally
With out Mitch...this country would be soo different
starting before trump, but only gotten worse with trump
he is the #1 enabler of all trumps insanity and Congress is supposed to be a check on the president
Mitch turned it into a blank check
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 10, 2019, 01:00:49 pm
You'er 100% wrong. She should run as a full fledged communist if she wants to win a red state

Totally


But saying Mitch hasn’t done enough is not blue dog it’s wack dog

I mean come on!

NKOTB lives in Bernie fantasyland
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 10, 2019, 04:16:51 pm
With out Mitch...this country would be soo different

Merrick Garland.

He will forever be on the GOP Mount Rushmore for that move alone.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 10, 2019, 05:40:10 pm
  It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.
So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
I'm not a big fan of joe, but you have to play to your constituents
speaking of good old joe...did some pretty liberal thing today
"Days after the United States women's soccer team won their fourth World Cup, a US senator introduced a bill Tuesday that would prevent the use of federal funding for the 2026 men's World Cup until the US Soccer Federation agrees to equal pay for the women's and men's teams.

The bill, penned by Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, would prohibit the use of federal funds that would otherwise be provided to support host cities, local and state organizations, US Soccer, CONCACAF, and FIFA when the US cohosts the men's World Cup in 2026
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 10, 2019, 06:51:20 pm
  It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.
So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
I'm not a big fan of joe, but you have to play to your constituents
speaking of good old joe...did some pretty liberal thing today
"Days after the United States women's soccer team won their fourth World Cup, a US senator introduced a bill Tuesday that would prevent the use of federal funding for the 2026 men's World Cup until the US Soccer Federation agrees to equal pay for the women's and men's teams.

The bill, penned by Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, would prohibit the use of federal funds that would otherwise be provided to support host cities, local and state organizations, US Soccer, CONCACAF, and FIFA when the US cohosts the men's World Cup in 2026

I am one hundred percent in favor of this. I am also one hundred percent in favor of the GOP digging in their heels and refusing to kowtow, thereby de facto ending the US National Teams. #JuliansAmericaLongPlay
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 08:55:20 am
Can you guys explain to me the problem with asking people if they are Americans on a census of Americans? I mean what is so terrible about trying to count the number of Americans? I thought that was the whole point of a census particularly to be used to apportion representation and distribute resources


I must be missing something
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 09:09:36 am
Can you guys explain to me the problem with asking people if they are Americans on a census of Americans? I mean what is so terrible about trying to count the number of Americans? I thought that was the whole point of a census particularly to be used to apportion representation and distribute resources


I must be missing something

Voting is, and has always been, done as a proportion of people, not citizens.  (Think of the 3/5ths compromise).  This is part of a play by the Republicans to do undo that, and make districts based on citizens.  This impacts not only voting power, but also resource allocation. Anywhere with a University, or a large segment of foreigners would be disadvantaged.  This is largely cities.

The other thing that the citizenship question does is that it will make it less likely that Hispanic citizens will fill out the form because of the legitimate fear that the information could be shared with ICE.  Anyone living in a household that has both legals and illegals in it would be unlikely to fill out the census, thus skewing the data to underestimate Hispanics.

If you want to talk about full bore election reform to make it more fair/representative (like getting rid of the Senate) then going to citizenship might make sense.  Making that change in a vacuum, however, does not.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 09:18:39 am
But until 1950 the census asked if you were a citizen?

if we are worried the information is going to be shared with ICE then the problem is not the asking of the question itself


I really think it’s crazy to say a country cannot count its citizens...that I thought was the point...


And as an American who checks off Latino I am sick and tired of Hispanics not voting or participating using every excuse in the book. Latino voting rates are abysmal. Most Latinos here are US citizens but they just don’t vote.

This whole issue is just another example of democrats being totally out of touch. I mean really? You can’t ask a person for purposes of a census wether they are a citizen?

So hypothetically if a state had million illegals they would get more representation in the House? Districts with more illegals counted get more representatives and money?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 09:32:53 am
But until 1950 the census asked if you were a citizen?

if we are worried the information is going to be shared with ICE then the problem is not the asking of the question itself


I really think it’s crazy to say a country cannot count its citizens...that I thought was the point...


And as an American who checks off Latino I am sick and tired of Hispanics not voting or participating using every excuse in the book. Latino voting rates are abysmal. Most Latinos here are US citizens but they just don’t vote.

This whole issue is just another example of democrats being totally out of touch. I mean really? You can’t ask a person for purposes of a census wether they are a citizen?

So hypothetically if a state had million illegals they would get more representation in the House? Districts with more illegals counted get more representatives and money?

Just because something happened in 1950 doesn't make it right.  And the climate is quite a bit different right now.

I don't know your situation, but Latino voting rates are not low by accident.  They are low because one of the major political parties see their success as dependent on it and so they take actions to make it hard to vote.  It's not like the US doesn't have a proud history of putting up voting barriers.

Finally, illegal immigrants, or folks in mixed house holds have very legitimate concerns about how that information is being used.  Trump has broken down silos to make it easier to deport people left and right.  Why would you feel secure in giving out your status? 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 09:33:41 am

So hypothetically if a state had million illegals they would get more representation in the House? Districts with more illegals counted get more representatives and money?

It's not just illegals.  It's also green card holders, people on student visas, etc... This was the same thing that happened when only rich white land owners could vote, and then before women had the vote, and of course the South got representation based on slaves who couldn't vote.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 09:39:02 am
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 09:42:53 am
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.

This is an existential threat to the Dems and their ability to hold the House or the White House.  The citizenship question is the spear of a 5 year plan by the R's to remake the electorate and undo demographic shifts. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 11, 2019, 09:56:04 am
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...

I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.

This is an existential threat to the Dems and their ability to hold the House or the White House.  The citizenship question is the spear of a 5 year plan by the R's to remake the electorate and undo demographic shifts. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 10:09:43 am
Trump is going to ride this all the way to the White House

There just isn’t anything wrong with asking a person if they are a citizen

All the extrapolation about what that one question being answered could lead to is not reality. It could happen I suppose but to go from that to saying because it could happen we cannot be asked if we are citizens is crazy

Let’s count Americans in a census of Americans
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 10:15:53 am
Anyways gavroche appreciate your thoughts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 10:51:35 am
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
So we now have documents (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html) that the whole idea the R's pushed this forward as they could see it would give them a clear advantage and hurt Dems
Mr. Hofeller ... wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats


it's just like gerrymandering and the Electoral college, they are figuring out ways to keep leaning it to give them a minority majority
so there is some ethical point I get you are trying to make, but they don't care about ethics, they just want to make it so they can create an unfair advantage to one political party by pulling all these stunts
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 11:04:08 am
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.

Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
So we now have documents (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html) that the whole idea the R's pushed this forward as they could see it would give them a clear advantage and hurt Dems
Mr. Hofeller ... wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats


it's just like gerrymandering and the Electoral college, they are figuring out ways to keep leaning it to give them a minority majority
so there is some ethical point I get you are trying to make, but they don't care about ethics, they just want to make it so they can create an unfair advantage to one political party by pulling all these stunts

It's not even an ethical point, it's really a messaging point.

We have always counted non-citizens in the Census.  Way back since the framers intended write it, when we included Slaves, women and non-land owners.  So if we really believe in originalism, then the census is about taking stock of who is in the country, not who is a citizen!  (And for the record, we don't send the census to US citizens outside the country to figure out where they are living).

I get the concerns with the messaging around it.  The R's have generally killed the D's with messaging.  And even the fact that we are all using the word illegal immigrant shows that. That said, I don't think this is an issue that hurts the Dems because this isn't a voting issue for their base, or independents.  So I think they need to fight it hard (though I suspect they will lose in the rigged courts).
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 11, 2019, 11:15:33 am
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...
Does anyone know the best way to get green smoothie and spittle out of a keyboard? I should probably just replace the keyboard, right?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 11:16:06 am
I get the concerns with the messaging around it.  The R's have generally killed the D's with messaging.  And even the fact that we are all using the word illegal immigrant shows that. That said, I don't think this is an issue that hurts the Dems because this isn't a voting issue for their base, or independents.  So I think they need to fight it hard (though I suspect they will lose in the rigged courts).

The R's have generally killed the D's with messaging.
generally is being kind...95% of the time they win the messaging war.
I like that Dem's in general think for themselves...which is why we suck on messaging
But I do think that the political leaders really need to work on this as it's critical in these elections and we're typically losing on marketing, not actual policy

oh and Trump expected to announce executive action on census
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 11:24:10 am
Shouldn’t the point be to do things to win 2020 so that we can ensure the census results aren’t used negatively?


Or should we just battle to the death on this, ultimately lose as he includes question anyways and then we lose 2020 and he can use census to further decrease chances of democrats winning?

Is that our strategy cause it sure seems to be

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on July 11, 2019, 11:40:14 am
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...
Does anyone know the best way to get green smoothie and spittle out of a keyboard? I should probably just replace the keyboard, right?

The only winning move is to not drink green smoothies.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 12:04:25 pm
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...

We haven't told you about the Ignore User feature.  It's new since you've returned.

Mouse over "Profile" above.  Click any one of the options.

Then Mouse over "Modify Profile" and select "Buddies/Ignore List"

Add any users to your ignore list and their posts will be covered like this:

"You are ignoring this user." with the option to "Show me the post."

Now if people would stop fucking quoting people I've blocked, I wouldn't have to see their nonsense.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 12:07:26 pm
Gee feeling the ❤️ here!


Thanks guys
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 12:09:44 pm

Now if people would stop fucking quoting people I've blocked, I wouldn't have to see their nonsense.
so you must be reading about 6 posts a month as there are about 4 people posting here

an obviously we're going to have to make sure Seth's name is brought up in this Social Media summit as an enabler of censorship of views not liked
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 12:10:44 pm
I guess if that’s the way you all feel I don’t have to post
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 11, 2019, 12:46:14 pm
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users. That's elitist BS and I won't be a part of it. I love you dummies all equally
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 11, 2019, 12:56:13 pm
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.
(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 11, 2019, 01:05:29 pm
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.
(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!

Why would people want to miss out on posts by anybody? This forum has become boring enough without adding to the boredom by ignoring posts.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on July 11, 2019, 01:49:30 pm
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.
(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!

Why would people want to miss out on posts by anybody? This forum has become boring enough without adding to the boredom by ignoring posts.

ditto, brah.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 04:08:51 pm
You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.

Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Nate Silver @NateSilver538 2:21 PM · Jul 9, 2019
I think McGrath has a shot.


Nate Silver @NateSilver538  Jul 9 2:55 PM
It's gonna be one of those races where the polling could show a close race, but the fundamentals strongly favor McConnell and McConnell probably wins. But if you're not providing for, say, a 15-20% chance of McGrath winning, your mental and/or statistical model is overconfident.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on July 11, 2019, 04:14:52 pm
i swear i wrote a reply to hutch's census comments & queries, but looks like i either didn't hit "submit" - or that our censorship=happy overlord Seth is suppressing my right of free expression.  oh well.

my point was: the census isn't meant to count citizens, it's meant to count residents.  the argument is that anything that suppresses the reporting of residents is undermining the purpose of the census.

hutch, you mentioned something about "what a hill for the dems to die on" - this is a battle that is important to several dem constituencies.  the party would have taken this up even if it didn't threaten their access to power.

"trump will ride this to the white house in 2020" - nope.  this issue will disappear in the background well before november'20.  its importance is long-term: distribution of congressional representation (AKA balance of power), allocation of federal grants, etc.  the citizenship question makes for a good talking point now, and trump will trot it out every now and then as part of his usual woe-is-me litany of deep-state complaints, but this isn't going to move the needle.

I guess if that’s the way you all feel I don’t have to post

nah.  the reason folks jumped all over you because you were making very strong statements about a topic you didn't seem to know much (or at least enough) about. 

then there's jules, but that's jules... and you two have history.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 04:23:13 pm
Nate Silver @NateSilver538  Jul 9 2:55 PM
But if you're not providing for, say, a 15-20% chance of [INSERT CANDIDATE NAME HERE] winning, your mental and/or statistical model is overconfident.

I feel as though he won many very open and contentious arguments by saying something similar in his projections of Trump possibly winning in 2016, with an even higher percentage of odds.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 11, 2019, 04:23:24 pm
then there's jules, but that's jules... and you two have history.
To be fair, I said nothing about Hutch.

I just spit out liquid at someone else's joke about Hutch and then sang a jingle about a third-person's suggestion that people block Hutch. I'm leaving it to other people to do the heavy lifting of the #NeverHutch movement this week.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 04:50:18 pm
anyone looking forward to a Gov't shut down in the early fall...

he Bipartisan Policy Center earlier this week warned that there is a "significant risk" for a breach of the debt ceiling in September, revising its prior prediction of October or November.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 04:52:15 pm
Nate Silver @NateSilver538  Jul 9 2:55 PM
But if you're not providing for, say, a 15-20% chance of [INSERT CANDIDATE NAME HERE] winning, your mental and/or statistical model is overconfident.

I feel as though he won many very open and contentious arguments by saying something similar in his projections of Trump possibly winning in 2016, with an even higher percentage of odds.

first I was all excited by his 'I think McGrath has a shot.' tweet

 but that's why I posted his second tweet which pretty much said...no she doesn't
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 06:37:17 pm
trump taking a new tack on this....
Ultimately I hold Mitch and co responsible for this shit...he's unchecked on every level and just keeps creating a new normal.
it's not MAGA its Make America a Despotic State

Trump backs away from census citizenship question, direct agencies to hand over citizenship information to Commerce
"We are not backing down on our effort to determine the citizenship status of the US population," Trump said in laying out a plan to issue an executive order asking US departments and agencies to find ways to determine a head-count of citizens.
Trump said agencies would be required to provide the Commerce Department with documents and records of citizens and non-citizens, which he said would help provide an accurate picture of US citizenship.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 06:51:44 pm
That’s great news
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 06:59:13 pm
trump taking a new tack on this....

Not really.  His tack all along was to rile up the left while placating to his base.  This new "tack" - which will never come to fruition - is the same.

It's his tried and true pattern and it's so damn effective: get the left fired up, make my base happy all while changing ABSOLUTELY nothing.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 07:02:46 pm
trump taking a new tack on this....

Not really.  His tack all along was to rile up the left while placating to his base.  This new "tack" - which will never come to fruition - is the same.

It's his tried and true pattern and it's so damn effective: get the left fired up, make my base happy all while changing ABSOLUTELY nothing.
ok...that is 100% correct
although they keep chanting 'he's delivered on EVERY promise he's ever made"
how do we combat that misconception

he is so good at getting liberals panties in a knot (is that now an inappropriate cliche in #metoo?)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 11, 2019, 07:08:11 pm
trump taking a new tack on this....

Not really.  His tack all along was to rile up the left while placating to his base.  This new "tack" - which will never come to fruition - is the same.

It's his tried and true pattern and it's so damn effective: get the left fired up, make my base happy all while changing ABSOLUTELY nothing.
ok...that is 100% correct
although they keep chanting 'he's delivered on EVERY promise he's ever made"
how do we combat that misconception

he is so good at getting liberals panties in a knot (is that now an inappropriate cliche in #metoo?)

This was a good outcome.  It will help with the integrity of the census (though they will find other means to try to undercount minorities).  And of course the R's will continue to pitch new ways to try to reshape the electorate in their favor.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 07:52:58 pm
how do we combat that misconception

Why bother?  Are you ever going to change the mind of his base?  Do you even need to in order to win this election?

Start focusing on sensible economic policies that will change the minds of ~700,000 voters in 6 key states instead of seeing who can jerk whom off furthest to the left.   

And, please, ignore the distractions.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 11, 2019, 08:16:09 pm
Start focusing on sensible economic policies that will change the minds of ~700,000 voters in 6 key states instead of seeing who can jerk whom off furthest to the left.   
Y. E. S.

Talk about the economic issues of white people. Not social issues. No deplorables. Not [insert group here]’s rights. Take care of all those issues once elected. But only talk about white peoples economic issues and pick someone to blame for it and we will win.

I have no confidence we will do that.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 11, 2019, 08:20:52 pm
how do we combat that misconception
Why bother?  Are you ever going to change the mind of his base?  Do you even need to in order to win this election?
I come to this board sometimes for Political Therapy.
I like the variety of inputs and perspectives (although without ratbastard, all are just slight left to antifa) crafting arguments and reasoning with sentences and not bumper sticker slogans (could probably have slightly less insults tho)

But, this is sound advice
Why bother?

I need to keep reminding my self, no matter how many times I tell his base that he wears no clothes, they will NEVER believe it...especially if I'm the messenger

It's like raising a toddler, you really can't use logic.  It's pointless and will only frustrate yourself

My only caveat on that is, some of this shit is SOOO freaking far from the norm I've known all my life.
I feel like I could say about 100 things off the top of my head that are absolutely insane in the last 2 yrs

my concern is its all about shock and awe and I'm going to miss 1 or 2 supremely important issues

But Why bother?

At least with the bitching and complaining and trying to change peoples minds
It will do no good and only frustrate me.
There is a huge list of watchdogs that are watching...so let them get the ulcers
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Start focusing on sensible economic policies that will change the minds of ~700,000 voters in 6 key states instead of seeing who can jerk whom off furthest to the left.   
I'm pretty certain that I'll have little impact
but I think what your trying to say (knows no fury greater than when he tries to speak FOR Smakie)
Is I need to find the candidate who has a sensible economic policies
and make sure they are laser focused on those people and support them in voice and money (optional)

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And, please, ignore the distractions.
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did you say something?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on July 11, 2019, 08:28:48 pm
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 11, 2019, 08:41:41 pm
Funny I thought I had been saying the same thing
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2019, 09:42:20 pm
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.

It was never going to pass the courts in time to be included on the Census form.  From day one.

They just needed to get the base to think he was trying - and he got an easy political win for his efforts.

The more he makes the left look crazy to the center, the better chance he has at being  re-elected.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 12, 2019, 05:09:32 am
...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 12, 2019, 09:44:27 am
Sec Acosta resigning
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on July 12, 2019, 09:47:58 am
Sec Acosta resigning

Trump knows he's really vulnerable on this Epstein stuff.  Only question is whether a Democratic candidate will be able to really hammer him on it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on July 12, 2019, 09:56:03 am
Sec Acosta resigning

As an aside, can we just declare that this guy is the oldest looking 50 year old white collar professional on earth?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on July 12, 2019, 09:57:36 am
Yes!


He has one strangely shaped skull
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 12, 2019, 05:40:52 pm
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.

You might also take look at page 28 of Chief Justice Robert's Opinion of the Court (page 33 of the document):

"We do not hold that the agency decision here was substantively invalid. But agencies must pursue their goals reasonably. Reasoned decision making under the Administrative Procedure Act calls for an explanation for agency action. What was provided here was more of a distraction."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18-966_bq7c.pdf
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 19, 2019, 09:47:27 am
John who?

John Delaney's staffers have asked him to drop out  (https://www.axios.com/john-delaney-2020-presidential-campaign-drop-out-44634be2-0973-403b-aca0-55278a9c37da.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on July 19, 2019, 01:36:52 pm
They had me at this line in the Leaders section: (https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/07/20/the-white-house-ditches-half-a-century-of-immigration-law)

"It is a familiar pattern. The president says something outrageous—this time Donald Trump told four black and brown-skinned Democratic congresswomen, all of whom are us citizens and three of whom were born in America, to “go back” where they came from. His supporters, who have come to accept what many of them previously found unconscionable, stay silent. His opponents, rightly appalled, lament what has happened to their country. At the same time the Trump administration makes a big policy change that attracts far less attention—in this case, an edict that directly affects tens of thousands of people a year and overturns half a century of precedent."

But then Lexington brought it home:

The Economist: Lexington

The 2020 campaign will be more racially divisive than 2016 was
There is method behind Donald Trump’s “go home” tweets


Print edition | United States
Jul 18th 2019

Donald trump’s bigotry is such an established part of American public discourse that, in retrospect, one of the most febrile debates of 2016 looks naive. Back and forth it went, in the months before the election, as the Republican candidate issued a slur against a Mexican-American judge and for a while refused to disavow the endorsement of a former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard. Was Mr Trump mainly appealing to his supporters’ economic concerns—in spite of his chauvinism? Or was his race-baiting really the main draw?

The answer was in long before the president sent an especially offensive tweet this week, inviting four unnamed, but by inference non-white, Democratic congresswomen to “go back” to where they came from. It was settled before he refused to condemn the white supremacists of Charlottesville two years ago. The data from his 2016 election have been scrutinised, and the resulting analyses, detailed in books and papers, are in agreement. Political scientists find no clear economic rationale for Mr Trump’s victory.

Many states, such as Georgia and Maryland, which had moved away from the Democrats in the tough times of 2012, drifted back towards their candidate in the better ones of 2016. The millions of working-class whites whom Mr Trump recruited in rustbelt states did not buck that trend because of economic anxiety. They were no likelier to attribute their vote to it than they had been in 2012.

Rather, they were unified by nothing so much as antipathy to America’s growing diversity, and an attendant feeling that whites were losing ground. Both were expressed in hostility to immigration, immigrants and welfare spending (which many wrongly believed was being slurped up by migrants). No doubt these feelings were exacerbated by economic as well as cultural and sometimes personal fears: people are complicated and America is changing. These sentiments also predated Mr Trump. Yet they had not been such a big factor in voting decision-making until he made them so, by drawing out his audience’s inner grievances, like a magnet tugging at a metal splinter.

In their book “Identity Crisis”, John Sides, Michael Tesler and Lynn Vavreck describe the rationalisation such Trump supporters made as “racialised economics”. Only a small minority of voters hold old-style racist views on questions like black-white marriage, but a very large number believe that “undeserving groups are getting ahead while [my] group is left behind.” An earlier study by the Voter Study Group found hostility to immigrants to be the best predictor of a Trump voter. One by the Public Religion Research Institute found much the same. There has been no serious counter-argument. Mr Trump’s race card was the winning one.

Hence his inflammatory comment this week. For while the strength of the economy might appear to have given him a better electoral option, Mr Trump is intent on a repeat performance. There is no prospect of him toning down his rhetoric and pocketing the grateful majority of Americans who consider their personal finances to be “good” or “excellent”. The fact is, his behaviour and policies have already repelled a majority of voters. He wants the applause of his adoring base too much to change style. And his view that America is essentially a white country messed up by escapees from non-white ones appears to be irrepressible. Amid the continuing outrage his racist tweet stirred this week, there are three important things to say about this.

First, Mr Trump’s campaign will be more racially divisive than it was in 2016, when he won white voters by 20 percentage points. He was still feeling his way then, looking for praise from the New York Times and msnbc’s “Morning Joe”. And when he did ramp up the rhetoric he was criticised by Republican leaders. Even as late as Charlottesville, his inflammatory language was repudiated by elected Republicans, business leaders and senior aides including his daughter Ivanka and Gary Cohn. He has received nothing like such criticism this week. Moreover, his slur against the four congresswomen, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley—of whom only Ms Omar was born overseas and Ms Pressley is not even of recent migrant stock, merely black—came not from an eccentric candidate, but the president. If Mr Trump only repeated his divisive 2016 lines next year, they would carry more weight. And he will probably say worse, because he wants vindication, for himself and his reviled method. In the event of any setback, he is liable to double down.

It might work again, too, which is the second point. Mr Trump’s approval ratings are low, but resilient and competitive. Set aside the state-level polling, which is less positive for him, and he is only a few points short of the 46% he won in 2016. He need not be loved to make up the difference. He needs only to make his opponent more hated, which was his other ploy in 2016. This makes Democratic voters, whose early support for Joe Biden suggests a demand for a plain-vanilla moderate whom Mr Trump might find hard to demonise, more sensible than the party’s left-wing activists. They see in his vulnerability an opportunity to bring about a leftward shift that most Americans do not want. One plausible, though possibly too ingenious, theory for his attack on Ms Pressley and the rest, all of whom are left-wingers, is that he wanted to boost their prestige within the party. That may in any event be the result.

The Gipper took a different view

Democrats must resist Mr Trump setting their agenda in any way. They do not need revered anti-Trump warriors. They need to be able to rebuke his divisiveness smartly, keeping in mind their own reputation for hyperventilating. The bill introduced by Nancy Pelosi to censure his tweet passed that test. Its citation of a line from Ronald Reagan’s last presidential address, “If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost,” also spoke to the third point, which is the fundamental one. Mr Trump’s exclusionary vision of America is a travesty.

This article appeared in the United States section of the print edition under the headline "Back to where he came from" (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/07/18/the-2020-campaign-will-be-more-racially-divisive-than-2016-was)
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 19, 2019, 05:24:33 pm
Prediction on Lincoln Chafee going for a run for president on the Libertarian Party ticket

seems like it will have no impact
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Post by: sweetcell on July 19, 2019, 05:26:06 pm
oh noes, bernie, not a good look:

Bernie Sanders' unionized staffers clash with campaign over guarantee of $15 an hour (https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-union-clash/index.html)
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 22, 2019, 12:23:57 pm
Has Kamala learned nothing...you can't piss of TayTay and be President

Taylor Swift Block Vote May Be In Jeopardy For Kamala Harris, Thanks To Scooter Braun Fundraiser
(https://deadline.com/2019/07/kamala-harris-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-fundraiser-ariana-grande-katy-perry-demi-lovato-1202650207/)

#WeStandWithTaylor
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Post by: sweetcell on July 22, 2019, 12:42:48 pm
Has Kamala learned nothing...you can't piss of TayTay and be President

Taylor Swift Block Vote May Be In Jeopardy For Kamala Harris, Thanks To Scooter Braun Fundraiser
(https://deadline.com/2019/07/kamala-harris-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-fundraiser-ariana-grande-katy-perry-demi-lovato-1202650207/)

#WeStandWithTaylor

you forgot to log in to your Julian account.
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 22, 2019, 12:59:09 pm
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
an interesting blow by blow of the whole event...and people still are conflicted on their decisions at the time

July 29, 2019 Issue of the New Yorker
The Case of Al Franken
A close look at the accusations against the former senator. (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken?utm_brand=tny&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_twitter)

most are sticking to their guns
but this was a well orchestrated take-down by they right and the left gladly pulled the cord on the
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e0feb5d9fdcf09af37435c795e81641f/tenor.gif?itemid=10717919)
(although he resigned on his own volition)

I still struggle with this myself as I think that demeaning and sexual advances by men in power are not to be tolerated
I still think we threw the baby out with the bathwater and lost one of our best voices in the democratic side as I don't think he was or is a serial sexual predator in the slightest

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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 22, 2019, 05:36:21 pm
nate is having none of it....

Nate Silver @NateSilver538

Let me be direct and clear: This article is a master class in biased reporting and editing. There are so many subtle ways that it seeks to manipulate the reader into taking Franken's side.
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Post by: starsky on July 22, 2019, 05:43:53 pm
Yeah I saw that


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Post by: starsky on July 22, 2019, 05:57:58 pm
Who cares anymore? He’s done. Personally all I say is the Democrats should have had an investigation not cut him loose; I note Senator Gillibrand -at an Anthem event- called for an investigation of Virginia Lieutenant Governor after multiple allegations and not his immediate resignation as she did with Franken


But whatever it’s all a moot point now
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 22, 2019, 06:00:14 pm
Who cares anymore? He’s done.
true...
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Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 22, 2019, 06:02:51 pm
Just made a donation to Gillibrands campaign after reading this. The evil scumbaggery of pro-Franken people just further confirms Gillibrands leadership. To hell with Al Franken.
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Post by: starsky on July 22, 2019, 06:11:26 pm
The evil scumbaggery of Pro Franken people



 ;D
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Post by: WalkOnBack on July 22, 2019, 09:16:56 pm
ah politics . . . controlling our minds, one sex money power scandal, at a time.  Im just there, for the gay porn.  speaking of al franken, and when aren't we.   he wasn't funny as a character, only as a writer.  the, end.
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Post by: starsky on July 22, 2019, 09:37:38 pm
Kind of feel like democrats are constantly outfoxed regarding mueller probe...what is the point of testimony
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Post by: nkotb on July 23, 2019, 08:34:26 am
FIFY

Kind of feel like democrats are constantly outfoxed
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 24, 2019, 11:04:05 am
nate is on fire lately.....

Nate Silver
Slight non-sequitur, but kudos to Eric Swalwell for being the only one of the dozen or so hopeless Democratic candidates who put aside his ego and dropped out.
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Post by: vansmack on July 24, 2019, 02:59:19 pm
nate is on fire lately.....

Nate Silver
Slight non-sequitur, but kudos to Eric Swalwell for being the only one of the dozen or so hopeless Democratic candidates who put aside his ego and dropped out.

Let me be direct and clear.  Nate's tweet is void of any polling, and it's subtle attempt to give credit to Swalwell's ego is a false narrative, when in fact it is his own survival back home that steered him out of the Presidential race.

Someone is doing polling in CA15, and it appears to be Swalwell. (https://ebcitizen.com/2019/07/16/someone-is-doing-polling-in-ca15-and-it-appears-to-be-swalwell-was-he-spooked-by-the-results/) 
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 24, 2019, 03:21:07 pm
While I'm not going to argue with you on that response

Swalwell had zero chance of getting the nom... as do about 15 of them, I do think at this stage some of them should drop out and get over themselves. 
I do think Swalwell making sure he keeps his day job is an important factor...I assume a few of them have the same issue at home. 


Who is donating to these people?
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Post by: gavroche on July 24, 2019, 03:39:39 pm
While I'm not going to argue with you on that response

Swalwell had zero chance of getting the nom... as do about 15 of them, I do think at this stage some of them should drop out and get over themselves. 
I do think Swalwell making sure he keeps his day job is an important factor...I assume a few of them have the same issue at home. 


Who is donating to these people?

Their mothers?  (Actually, more likely local interests back home that want to curry favor for when the candidates inevitably return to their day jobs).
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Post by: WalkOnBack on July 24, 2019, 05:09:20 pm
walkie's prediction for 2020.

kamala is successful in her pot push . . . she wins


trump, trumps her and makes it legal first, and runs on the fact that he did it . . . he wins.


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Post by: WalkOnBack on July 24, 2019, 10:13:38 pm
Sorry, I forgot . . . the, end.
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Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2019, 01:41:34 pm
Governor Gavin Newsom Signs SB 27: Tax Transparency Bill (http://cert1.mail-west.com/jpP/zjanmc7rmcCy/f61cCgtmyu/cCaqwyt62lad1u/61cCqvnq/iyjln6uf/4tk/5qjvz?_c=d%7Cze7pzanwmhlzgt%7C16sh6aywlvxg4d5&_ce=1564508427.a650a745ae86ca121ce5efe57a14c1e8)

SACRAMENTO – Governor Gavin Newsom signed today legislation requiring candidates for U.S. President and California Governor to disclose their income tax returns in order to appear on California’s primary ballot.

SB 27, by Senator Mike McGuire (D-Healdsburg) and Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), requires a candidate for U.S. President or California Governor to file copies of every income tax return filed with the Internal Revenue Service in the five most recent taxable years with the Secretary of State, at least 98 days prior to the corresponding primary election.
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 30, 2019, 03:11:34 pm
and...Trump never does things he's told

Also he's not going to win CA so would not appearing on their ballot screw up the Electoral college?
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 31, 2019, 10:40:14 am
these debates are kind of a circus...not really sure how this is helping
I guess there are those bottom 15 candidates that no one knows are geting some screen time

I don't know about reparations, in concept I get it...and drew big applause in Detroit
I really think we are going to lose swing voters over trying to get the black vote with that
Also seemed to be 'White Nite" on the stage, with Lemon asking the question about reparations
awkward

but stick to health care, the environment, immigration ...and Jobs of course (IMO should be job retraining, vocational schools/apprenticeship and National service corp)

not sure I like Tim's Chief Manufacturing Officer pitch, but a good way to get himself in the good graces of the blue collar voter in swing states

Marianne Williamson is starting to get A LOT of attention...I hope that fades
she makes some bold statements, but no way swing voters are going to like that kind of rhetoric

I really think Mayor Pete is such a charismatic guy and really has such a great delivery on some of the hot topics
Maybe he has what it takes
I did find it funny when Amy smirked when Pete said he was in High School when Columbine happened (probably because she was changing diapers around that time)

Amy made a statement that I wanted to follow up on about how Minnesota has the highest voter turnout

74.8% voter turnout in 2016! (https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_elections)

This article suggests that same day registration is a factor...but has a lot to do with civic involvement, education and income
https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2016/09/five-reasons-why-voter-turnout-minnesota-so-high/

so my question is ...what can we learn from Amy and the Minnesotans

Honestly if we could get to 70% voter turnout that IMO would be an goal to strive for
if we get to 2008 levels...62.3% we'd probably be in good shape

Arizona (near the bottom with 56%)
Florida (looking good at 11...but such close elections every year)
Michigan tied for with FL at 65.7%...again real close elections need to get those number even higher
Pennsylvania #25...with 61.3%
Wisconsin. 69%...so would put it in the top 5... Turnout for the presidential election in Wisconsin appears to be a 20-year low.   eligible black voters in Wisconsin fell from 74 percent in 2012 to 55.1 percent in 2016.
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on July 31, 2019, 01:53:19 pm
word is these went up in his home state!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA0Sq_zXoAUrPGg?format=jpg&name=medium)
#ditchmitch
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Post by: sweetcell on July 31, 2019, 03:00:09 pm
^ gawd i love that.  he's got to be so pissed.
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Post by: vansmack on August 05, 2019, 07:49:53 pm
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"

https://genius.com/a/lil-nas-x-s-old-town-road-breaks-the-record-for-most-weeks-at-no-1-on-the-hot-100
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 07, 2019, 04:00:50 pm
oh dang...Mike Gravel dropped his bid for the presidency...and then there were 23!
(https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/En7dgjGI.jpg?w=512)
so no #Gravelanche I guess
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Post by: sweetcell on August 07, 2019, 05:36:44 pm
i had no idea he was running.
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 15, 2019, 09:11:32 am
Hickenlooper is out...then there were 22
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 19, 2019, 03:46:48 pm
I agree....this means nothing...I just like the horse race
biden barely squeaks out a win

Iowa State Fair Straw Poll:
Biden 17.7
Warren 17.2
Buttigieg 14
Sanders 10
Harris 8.4
Booker 6.1
Gabbard 4.7
Klobuchar 3.4
O’Rourke 2.1
Williamson 1.5
Gillibrand 1
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 19, 2019, 04:12:19 pm
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 19, 2019, 04:18:05 pm
Julian for ....the pets

 calls for ending the practice of euthanizing dogs and cats in shelters and other animal welfareish things

I'm actually totally for this...but don't think this is something that is going to get a single vote in a Presidential election
but I guess we're talking about Julian now, so guess it was somewhat effective
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Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 19, 2019, 04:20:01 pm
If pets are ever given citizenship, this longplay is going to look so good. #FORTHEFUTURE
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 19, 2019, 04:22:10 pm
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner
as well as O’Rourke
had this poll been taken a few months ago, he would have probably been in the 4 to 6 rank
Warren has been having a VERY good summer as well as Buttigieg

would have thought Klobuchar would have done better in iowa too
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 19, 2019, 04:23:22 pm
If pets are ever given citizenship, this longplay is going to look so good. #FORTHEFUTURE
damn...didn't see that angle

I guess Zombies are also an untapped group too...think of all the dead people
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 19, 2019, 04:24:50 pm
I guess Zombies are also an untapped group too...
Who do you think votes for Trump if not mindless zombies?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on August 19, 2019, 04:53:47 pm
I've always thought Drew Carey was bullied into the "Have your pets spayed or neutered" line after he took over for Bob Barker. He just doesn't deliver the line with the same enthusiasm.

What a shame, what a shame.
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Post by: sweetcell on August 19, 2019, 04:55:38 pm
in chicago, the dead vote all the time.
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Post by: nkotb on August 19, 2019, 05:14:51 pm
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner

Hmmm.....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA-hWECWsAAdF1_.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA-hw8iW4AA5NB4.jpg)
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 19, 2019, 05:23:24 pm
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner

Hmmm.....

Can we get a little explanation of what the difference is in these two images?
other than the first one has Sanders crushing the US and the second doesn't have sanders
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Post by: nkotb on August 19, 2019, 05:31:32 pm
First map is how much I love Bernie.  Second is how much I'd like Warren if there was no Bernie.

Might be behind a paywall (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-fundraising.html), but essentially map 1 is a heat map of where the bulk of each candidates donor base comes from.  Map 2 is the Times having to remove Bernie's base entirely to see practically anyone else outside of a few folks' homebase.

It's a pretty interesting set of maps, especially when you see who's running strong in areas with wealth concentration.

The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner

Hmmm.....

Can we get a little explanation of what the difference is in these two images?
other than the first one has Sanders crushing the US and the second doesn't have sanders
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 19, 2019, 05:50:58 pm
looks like trump is going to cut our payroll taxes...as if the deficit wasn't high enough let lower incoming revenue even more!

great way to get votes tho...
Don't think it's going to stop this recession
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Post by: gavroche on August 19, 2019, 06:03:56 pm
looks like trump is going to cut our payroll taxes...as if the deficit wasn't high enough let lower incoming revenue even more!

great way to get votes tho...
Don't think it's going to stop this recession

More like: Trump is going to ask Congress to cut the payroll tax.  Puts Dems in a hard spot, because its a regressive tax that absolutely kills the accounting for Social Security.  But if they don't go along, Trump can try to peg the recession on them.   
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Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 19, 2019, 06:12:27 pm
looks like trump is going to cut our payroll taxes...as if the deficit wasn't high enough let lower incoming revenue even more!

great way to get votes tho...
Don't think it's going to stop this recession

More like: Trump is going to ask Congress to cut the payroll tax.  Puts Dems in a hard spot, because its a regressive tax that absolutely kills the accounting for Social Security.  But if they don't go along, Trump can try to peg the recession on them.
God they need help with spin...dems just suck at messaging

team trump needs a bumper sticker (or a tweet) the dems have to put out a 64 page report that no one will read
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Post by: Justin Tonation on August 19, 2019, 09:17:38 pm
Cutting the FICA tax can only work if the salary cap is removed, or at least raised significantly.
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Post by: gavroche on August 19, 2019, 09:33:48 pm
Cutting the FICA tax can only work if the salary cap is removed, or at least raised significantly.

I agree, but there is no way that the cap is raised or removed.  Especially since Obama actually had a FICA holiday on his watch.  This is going to be an absolute mess for the Dems.
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Post by: challanged and calloused on August 20, 2019, 10:34:50 am
(http://)

I don't have time for this.

 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html  (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html)
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Post by: nkotb on August 20, 2019, 10:40:48 am
I think these things are generally harmless and can be fun, but man, they're trying really hard to make something out of this.

(http://)

I don't have time for this.

 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html  (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 21, 2019, 10:14:47 pm
Inslee's out. Bummer...not only is his climate plan radical but hes one of the few folks running that has a real distinct voice and focus.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 21, 2019, 10:23:46 pm
Inslee's out. Bummer...
Not surprising, I really did like him and his message
but I knew it was doomed

One thing I thought stood out with him, is he often would talk up some big idea and it would sound so lofty and then he would say "we did that in the state of Washington" and that's putting your money where your mouth is.  A lot of people have no idea what it would be like to run something so complex as the United States and how a President has to work with tons of groups of people to get things done (not rule like the king of the jews)
governors/Mayors are the only one's who have real world experience at that kind of stuff. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 22, 2019, 01:46:40 am
Inslee (...) has a real distinct voice and focus.

but that was his problem, he's a single-issue candidate.  and while we should all be on board with his single issue - nothing else more important at this point - it just won't capture the nation's attention.

yet.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 07:59:32 am
Climate crisis isn't a "single issue" though...but I can't blame folks for not paying attention when it gets 10 short minutes in the debates.

My point was out of a field of 25 candidates we have MAYBE 6 with any policies/positions that really standout. It's a bummer hes out while the rest of them argue over the millimeters of space between them. But that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess

Inslee (...) has a real distinct voice and focus.

but that was his problem, he's a single-issue candidate.  and while we should all be on board with his single issue - nothing else more important at this point - it just won't capture the nation's attention.

yet.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 22, 2019, 08:56:11 am
I do think that Inslee had an impact on the current dialogue about climate change and that we should be grateful for

Honestly it's all about how the messaging is on climate change....I think there is an effort to make these statements that "we'll make more jobs and money" when in fact the best approach if for everyone to sacrifice a little (or maybe even a lot) ...and Americans are really not that good at that, we pride ourselves on our gluttony

Maybe he'll become the Head of the EPA or a good cabinet position(yes we gotta win first)
The candidates had much nicer things to say about him compared to Swalwell exit

he stood out from all the other old white dudes...to me at least
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:13:35 am
Agreed, both about his impact and the messaging.  I think we had some candidates that already recognized climate as the issue of our time, but not enough really treated it as an existential threat.  I'm glad his voice and focus on it kind of made it hard to not shift the focus a bit, though it still seems like an add-on to some of these folks.  messaging-wise, though, it's hard...I think it's a really easy thing to convey exactly how climate crisis can impact anyone (i mean, without hyperbole it affects every aspect of our lives) and I think the folks that treat it accordingly do a good job of pointing that out.  But you need a media willing to treat it as a serious thing, and they flat out refuse. Not that I think Inslee would've won, but I think given the proper attention, he would've gone further.


I do think that Inslee had an impact on the current dialogue about climate change and that we should be grateful for

Honestly it's all about how the messaging is on climate change....I think there is an effort to make these statements that "we'll make more jobs and money" when in fact the best approach if for everyone to sacrifice a little (or maybe even a lot) ...and Americans are really not that good at that, we pride ourselves on our gluttony

Maybe he'll become the Head of the EPA or a good cabinet position(yes we gotta win first)
The candidates had much nicer things to say about him compared to Swalwell exit

he stood out from all the other old white dudes...to me at least
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 09:16:41 am
His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 22, 2019, 09:16:58 am
your boy had something to say today about it
Bernie Sanders launches $16 trillion climate change plan
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 22, 2019, 09:18:37 am
His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
I didn't say the voter...I meant on the platforms of the candidates and what was being discussed
correct...99% of the US didn't even know he was running
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:22:30 am
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I know I'm biased (and obviously he's the best), but he's had a serious week: killer criminal justice reform, Workplace Democracy plan and now this. 

your boy had something to say today about it
Bernie Sanders launches $16 trillion climate change plan
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:23:08 am
Hutch why do you constantly tear down other Democrats. You're the reason Trump won!!!

His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 09:23:27 am
Today I announce my $88 quintillion climate change plan


About as credible and relevant....Bernie will never be president but he can damn well make sure, again, Trump is

Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:25:59 am
Hutch, your negativity is giving Trump what he wants. OWN THAT YOU CAUSED HIM TO GET REELECTED!!!!!!!!

Today I announce my $88 quintillion climate change plan


About as credible and relevant....Bernie will never be president but he can damn well make sure, again, Trump is

Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 09:26:32 am
Hutch why do you constantly tear down other Democrats. You're the reason Trump won!!!

His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact


The only one I tear down is Bernie because he is not a Democrat and with the help of bozos like you got Trump elected

Saying someone is barely registering is not tearing them down...just fact

Saying someone helped elect Trump and isn’t even a Democrat is tearing them down
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:28:16 am
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 22, 2019, 09:33:44 am
Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general
I 100% agree on this...
The only one I tear down is Bernie because he is not a Democrat
and this...
I think this is going to be Bernie's problem...he's got very few friends and allies in the Democratic party as he's made a career distancing himself from them
Unless he pulls a Trump and changes the whole Democratic establishment...he's never going to get their support
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 22, 2019, 09:39:55 am
Hickenlooper says he's running for Senate

also
Per AP, Inslee will announce he's seeking a 3rd term as governor.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 12:16:30 pm
Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general
I 100% agree on this...
The only one I tear down is Bernie because he is not a Democrat
and this...
I think this is going to be Bernie's problem...he's got very few friends and allies in the Democratic party as he's made a career distancing himself from them
Unless he pulls a Trump and changes the whole Democratic establishment...he's never going to get their support

Why is providing for Americans suddenly off the table?  Trump's tax cuts have blown up the budget deficit, he's building concentration camps and a stupid wall, and he's jacked up military spending, so he he's suddenly going to be credible on fiscal responsibility.

We can debate whether the government should provide health care or build renewable energy, but it's clear that markets aren't giving us either of those things at the levels we need.

Sure recent Democratic candidates have all been neo-liberal centrists.  But they have mixed results.  Clinton won twice.  Gore and Kerry lost.  Obama won twice.  Clinton lost.  We honestly don't know that a neo-lib would do better than a social democrat because it's been 40 years since one ran on the national level.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 12:22:59 pm
Providing for Americans is great! Just do it once you are elected

I like what Warren is saying though...she proposes a way to pay for things I think most Americans would support

However I think candidates should keep the specifics to a minimum until the general; the smart play...even then offer as few as you can get away with


Some people think Americans vote on policy but most Americans just don’t

However announcing mega spending is just dumb

Look at Trump...he announced he was going to cut spending and got elected...has he cut spending?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 12:27:39 pm
I like Hutch's approach: don't tell people what you plan to do or how you plan to do it, and definitely don't give the public any tangible reasons why you would improve their lives and material needs.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 12:31:58 pm
Well unfortunately nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people


Broad guidelines are fine...having people know what you stand for great

Telling people you will spend X trillion on this is moronic

The main thing is for the American people to “like” you....it’s been proven over and over again that is what wins elections

Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 12:48:36 pm
Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...

Boy do I have good news for you then :)

https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-q4-2018/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 12:50:07 pm
Well I was speaking about the presidential election


You know it to be true....crack all the jokes you want...deep down you know
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 22, 2019, 01:00:27 pm
Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...

Boy do I have good news for you then :)

https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-q4-2018/

 Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 01:01:29 pm
The main thing is for the American people to “like” you....it’s been proven over and over again that is what wins elections

So lets just center on this.  Will people like candidates more if they have an ambitious image of what American can be, or if they say we can't do that because it costs too much?  Do you get more mileage based on being "reasonable" or based on being visionary? 

All I'm saying is that the conventional wisdom from the Democratic party is that they need to be reasonable to win... but they don't have a great track record of winning. 

Republicans have decided not to be reasonable.  They have a slightly better track record of winning, but more importantly, they've gotten more out of their wins and reset the system in the process.

It might be that Biden really is the most electable candidate, but it's really just conventional wisdom that says that.  I'm skeptical of it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 01:16:08 pm
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee


Do you think anyone would pick Bernie or Warren over Trump

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:21:22 pm
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee

Do you think anyone would pick Bernie over Trump

Yes

I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee

Do you think anyone would pick Warren over Trump
[/quote

I think it's less certain than Bernie based on available metrics (which we all know after 2016 are horseshit, but...) I still think it's possible. I'm not as confident, though.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 01:24:10 pm
But you are delusional
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:29:57 pm
Also, you are 100% right...I did a quick google search while on a call and grabbed the incorrect article. Wanted the national polling.

I thought I had seen a more recent one, but I can't one that isn't based on their home state.  A recent Quinnipiac has Bernie second (admittedly, behind Biden): https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2591. But this is from December, so well before Biden a) joined the race and b) started brain hemorrhaging on live TV.

I think the fact of the matter is, if we're using the metric of "no one cares about policy but does care about who they like", you're be foolish to think that excludes Bernie.  But I also don't think "popularity" or "electability" really mean anything, at least in the way they're typically used.

Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...

Boy do I have good news for you then :)

https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-q4-2018/

 Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 01:30:21 pm
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee


Do you think anyone would pick Bernie or Warren over Trump

How would you rank the Dems in terms of who you want to drink with?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:31:56 pm
You typically throw out statement and then refuse to answer questions about them, so it's OK if you ignore this.  But tell me...by what metric do you gauge who would beat Trump?  You have to have some reason (hopefully) more than your gut. I'd really be interested!

But you are delusional
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:38:28 pm
I like this game. Here is my list, but it's less about "do i like their policies" and more "would it suck to be stuck talking to them for an hour":

Michael Bennet (No)
Joe Biden (No)
Bill de Blasio (No)
Cory Booker (Yes, but only because I'd likely be close to Rosario Dawson)
Steve Bullock (No)
Pete Buttigieg (No)
Julián Castro (I wouldn't turn him down for a beer, but I wouldn't seek him out)
John Delaney (No)
Tulsi Gabbard (Sure)
Kirsten Gillibrand (Again, wouldn't turn her down, but I wouldn't seek her out)
Kamala Harris (No)
Amy Klobuchar (No, she'll whip the glass at my head)
Wayne Messam (No)
Seth Moulton (No)
Beto O'Rourke (No)
Tim Ryan (No)
Bernie Sanders (Yes)
Joe Sestak (No)
Tom Steyer (No)
Elizabeth Warren (Yes)
Marianne Williamson (Yes, but I'd probably regret it)
Andrew Yang (No, it would cut into my monthly $1000 stipend)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 22, 2019, 01:41:41 pm
I feel Beto would be super fun to drink with, just a terrible President.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 22, 2019, 01:42:14 pm
like to have a beer with
I do think this is how Republicans judge as they would prefer an everyman to a know-it-all

Me, personally, I'd like someone who knows the fuck what they are doing and has a plan
and can think on their own two feet

not someone to play darts with...
I think my president should be smarter than me (although that's not saying much) and really doesn't have time to go 'get a drink'
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 22, 2019, 01:42:38 pm
And as many on here can attest to, if you have the opportunity to park yourself next to a Julian for a few cold ones over a few hours, you should definitely jump at it.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 01:44:42 pm
like to have a beer with
I do think this is how Republicans judge as they would prefer an everyman to a know-it-all



Trump is an everyman, and not a know-it-all?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 01:46:22 pm
I put him as a No because I could see one of two things happening:

1) We start talking about punk music, and then I realize he's sort of superficially into it and I get bummed out, or;

2) We start talking about punk music and I realize he's way into it but in a non-compatible way and it annoys me.

Agreed about the president thing, though.

I feel Beto would be super fun to drink with, just a terrible President.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 22, 2019, 01:53:06 pm
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?

This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:

I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 22, 2019, 02:06:04 pm
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?

This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:

I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.

I'm willing to grant all of that.  But he still seems like he'd be a horrible bore to drink with.  Thin skinned, and egotistical. One of those guys who tells long stories about himself and than you'd have to watch every word that you said, less he took offense. 
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 22, 2019, 02:13:43 pm
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?

This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:

I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.

I'm willing to grant all of that.  But he still seems like he'd be a horrible bore to drink with.  Thin skinned, and egotistical. One of those guys who tells long stories about himself and than you'd have to watch every word that you said, less he took offense.

Plus, he doesn't drink. I want a moderate drinker as my president.

I think you give Trump too much credit. You're talking about Trump from 10 years ago. Now, I think he's a dementia ridden old man who repeats simple taking points and can't  string together a coherent sentence, even about himself.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 22, 2019, 04:29:17 pm
We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things.

instead, now we have idiots mismanaging everything.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 07:50:20 pm
I knew it was Morning Consult...just grabbed the wrong link: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 07:55:27 pm
Still trying huh?


His popularity in Vermont has zero to do with his likability nationwide


If he was running for President of Vermont he would be the odds on favorite

He is in deep trouble

Running against only Hillary is very different than running against so many other solid candidates
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:07:11 pm
Hutch can you read?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 09:16:43 pm
Yeah...can you?

It seems like you are having trouble with reading comprehension

I mean I cited likability as being important and you come back with his popularity in Vermont?

So ducking what? It’s an incredibly liberal state and he has been the Senator for them for decades..he wouldn’t be re-elected if he wasn’t popular

That doesn’t make him likable on a national level

I personally detest him
You want a cookie?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 22, 2019, 09:25:56 pm
I take what I said back...maybe there where too many posts for you to keep up.  I'll try again.

I knew it was Morning Consult...just grabbed the wrong link: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 22, 2019, 10:02:57 pm
Explain what you are trying to say...posting a link to a bunch of charts doesn’t say anything
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 23, 2019, 09:42:11 am
 Seth Moulton drops out and I feel fine
 ...what's that 21 left?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 23, 2019, 09:45:14 am
Who?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 23, 2019, 09:47:17 am
Who?

Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 23, 2019, 10:14:46 am
Who?
Looks like Moulton could do the Henry Rollins bio-pic
(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/dd3a7dc/2147483647/resize/1160x/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F7f%2F36%2Fc7ee36af4d7aaf0c5e1ad93efeb0%2F190823-seth-moulton-gty-773.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WalkOnBack on August 23, 2019, 10:44:03 am
i, don't trust guys who walk around with the top two buttons, unbuttoned, on their button downs.

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 23, 2019, 10:50:04 am
i, don't trust guys who walk around with the top two buttons, unbuttoned, on their button downs.

How about if they do it sitting down?

(https://dcist.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/02/seth-hurwitz-768x355.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WalkOnBack on August 23, 2019, 11:02:03 am
sloppy . . . as in sloppy, seconds . . . at the table.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 23, 2019, 02:32:33 pm
I don’t know that I agree with this....or not


https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/trump-obama-change-blake/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 23, 2019, 02:48:01 pm
interesting article....I've always said Trump's greatest accomplishment will be he got everyone talking about the government, how it runs, what the rules are and should they change. Conservatives, liberals and those in between... all of them are more vested and interested in what is going on than ever before.  Now I feel it's mostly about liberal tears on the one side, but they are still learning more about Civics since they were in elementary school.

I do think people didn't realize the gravity of that election and that sucks and the impacts will be long lasting (especially in the courts)  But I gotta imagine that voter turnout in 2020 will be tremendous.  I'm confident it will set records.  I think that will also have a great impact in all other seats of government in that election too.  I know hubris...gotta watch it


three years later the pain has led to something else: A "Trumplash," a ferocious backlash against the President that's boosted progressives and weakened conservatives in several ways.

He's pushed more progressives to get involved in politics.

His denigration of women inadvertently helped inspire a record number of women running for the House in the 2018 midterms.

His immigration policies ensure that Latinos, the nation's second-largest ethnic group, now lean decisively toward the Democratic party.
Trump also helped do something else that Obama couldn't. He revived the Obama Coalition, the group of young voters, women and racial minorities that first put Obama in office.

Trump has taken away one of the most effective weapons used by racists -- plausible deniability,
Kruse told me.
"Racist policies work better when they don't seem to be racist," Kruse said. "If you could give voters in the middle some plausible deniability that this isn't about race -- 'I don't believe in segregation, I believe in neighborhood schools; it's not voter suppression, it's voter integrity' -- If you put a more positive spin on it, it invites more people in who don't see this policy as racist.
"Once the veneer comes off, a lot of people in the middle will shy away," he added. "Trump has taken away the veneer."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 23, 2019, 02:58:51 pm
Just not convinced about Latino vote shifting...is there any evidence?

Remember many Latinos come from cultures that traditionally have strongmen as leaders, that Latinos here legally are probably the number one group adversely affected by illegal immigrants (taking their jobs), that Latinos benefit from the stronger economy and that Trump has done everything to get strong support from the critical Latino subgroup of Cuban Americans (Florida Florida Florida)

Logic tells us Latinos should hate Trump more than previous Republican leaders but what do the facts say

On the flip side I have to believe Trump has lost support among Puerto Ricans

Also even if we accept he loses some Latino support he may make it up by driving white and black support up with his anti Latino rhetoric and action
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 23, 2019, 03:02:49 pm
you forgot to add that Latinos tend to be more religious/anti-abortion...a republican centerpiece
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 23, 2019, 03:04:20 pm
Well I thought it!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 23, 2019, 03:14:22 pm
Cuban Americans (Florida Florida Florida)
I knew there were a lot and are influential...but just read As of the 2010 U.S. Census, there are 1.2 million people of cuban decent in Florida!

but to add to that
 estimated 1.2 million Puerto Ricans now live in Florida, a population that rivals the number of Cubans

I don't think that many from PR are going to vote for trump

also think of all those Felons too!

FL BLUE all the way!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 23, 2019, 03:58:23 pm
We heard the huge recent influx of Puerto Ricans would sway FL in D direction but it did not in 2018

Skeptical about FL


Anyways biggest news is RBG continuing to fight pancreatic cancer....another vacancy filled by Trump would be something

Why she did not retire early in Obama’s second term I will never understand
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 23, 2019, 04:00:46 pm
It should go without saying pancreatic cancer has a low five year survival rate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 23, 2019, 05:08:28 pm
Anyways biggest news is RBG continuing to fight pancreatic cancer....
saw a great quote from her

"There was a senator..after my pancreatic cancer, who announced w/great glee that I was going to be dead within 6 months," Ginsburg said. "That senator, whose name I have forgotten, is now himself dead, and I," she added with a smile, "am very much alive."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 23, 2019, 05:15:25 pm
Who?

Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)
this is some funny shit

@realDonaldTrump
The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 23, 2019, 05:17:36 pm
Who?

Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)
this is some funny shit

@realDonaldTrump
The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!
Yeah, that is pretty funny actually.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 23, 2019, 08:18:09 pm
Lol
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 26, 2019, 02:12:40 pm
another GOP rep retires....
GOP Rep. Sean Duffy resigning
although...trump won that district by 21 points...so not likely going to be a flip
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2019, 02:18:53 pm
another GOP rep retires....
GOP Rep. Sean Duffy resigning
although...trump won that district by 21 points...so not likely going to be a flip

Obama won that district by +8 in 2008, then lost by -3 in 2012. I wonder why the dramatic shift?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 26, 2019, 02:29:06 pm
another GOP rep retires....
GOP Rep. Sean Duffy resigning
although...trump won that district by 21 points...so not likely going to be a flip

Obama won that district by +8 in 2008, then lost by -3 in 2012. I wonder why the dramatic shift?
Interesting
my first thought is: 95.6% White
but really doesn't explain the change in two election cycles
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 26, 2019, 02:50:04 pm
are we not going to make note of Joe Walsh's candidacy?  i mean, it isn't going to go anywhere, but we should at least mention it...

Joe Walsh officially confirms 2020 Trump Primary Challenge (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/joe-walsh-trump-primary-2020)
The ex-congressman-turned-talk radio host announced on Sunday a long-shot gamble to wrestle the 2020 Republican nomination from Trump.

this headline says all we need to know about his candidacy: "Joe Walsh says he is challenging Trump 'to make the moral case against him' (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/politics/joe-walsh-donald-trump-2020-republican-primary-cnntv/index.html)".  newsflash: the GOP has no morals at the moment.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2019, 02:56:22 pm
are we not going to make note of Joe Walsh's candidacy?  i mean, it isn't going to go anywhere, but we should at least mention it...

Joe Walsh officially confirms 2020 Trump Primary Challenge (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/joe-walsh-trump-primary-2020)
The ex-congressman-turned-talk radio host announced on Sunday a long-shot gamble to wrestle the 2020 Republican nomination from Trump.

this headline says all we need to know about his candidacy: "Joe Walsh says he is challenging Trump 'to make the moral case against him' (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/politics/joe-walsh-donald-trump-2020-republican-primary-cnntv/index.html)".  newsflash: the GOP has no morals at the moment.

God, I hope he doesn't pick that arrogant dick Henley for his VP.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 26, 2019, 03:11:46 pm
are we not going to make note of Joe Walsh's candidacy? 
was mentioned appropriately here (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=22097.0)

I'm making executive orders, my base they can't wait
They create memes to tell me I'm great
So I got me an office with gold piping on the seat
I'll just watch some Fox 'news' or maybe I'll tweet


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 27, 2019, 09:29:22 am
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped out
   
Michael Bennet    
Steve Bullock                 
John Delaney          
Tim Ryan          
Joe Sestak
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 27, 2019, 09:34:47 am
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped out
   
Michael Bennet    
Steve Bullock                 
John Delaney          
Tim Ryan          
Joe Sestak
I'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 27, 2019, 09:42:07 am
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped out
   
Michael Bennet    
Steve Bullock                 
John Delaney          
Tim Ryan          
Joe Sestak
I'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
here's that list
Tom Steyer    
Tulsi Gabbard    
Marianne Williamson
Kirsten Gillibrand          
Bill de Blasio

Yang...what are you talking about
With merch like this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2693/5196/products/MMM_Tee_Front_1024x1024@2x.png?v=1566510217)

I kinda feel that people are still somewhat interested in those folks
but they could all go away* Wednesday and I wouldn't shed a tear

*from the primary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 27, 2019, 09:55:04 am
If I'm being charitable Yang and Gillibrand can stay in. Gillibrand really should be a better candidate but she's clearly pissed off the troglodyte cretin, Franken-loving garbage wing of the party.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 27, 2019, 10:07:43 am
Gillibrand can stay in. ... Franken-loving wing of the party.
So that's only part of my gripe with her.
 It sucks that Franken did some sleazy things, and ultimately we had to take 'better than them' stance on this.  Bitter pill for me to swallow, but I think I'm on board with this now

but he really was one of the most articulate, passionate and true to the dem principals in congress that I can point to.  He took Paul Wellstone's seat and did it as a tribute to one of the most important Dems in our lifetime (that nobody remembers)
Most others can barely put together a sentence on stage, we do need more Dem leaders like him (without the sleaze)  who can really go head to head with the likes of Trump and his ilk.

Now this was 2007...but was definitely her position at the time
membership in the Blue Dog Coalition of conservative Democrats
legislation making English America’s official language and a slew of anti-immigrant things
The Human Rights Campaign, gave her the lowest rating of any NY Democrat in Congress for her positions on gay rights issues.
Her rating from the National Rifle Association, was a solid 100 percent. (TBT..she got an F from the NRA in 2009)

Her attacking Biden for stuff that happened in the 70s was bad form too

She is an important democrat and think she should still be a national player...but drop out of the primary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 27, 2019, 10:10:40 am
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped out
   
Michael Bennet    
Steve Bullock                 
John Delaney          
Tim Ryan          
Joe Sestak
I'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
here's that list
Tom Steyer    
Tulsi Gabbard    
Marianne Williamson
Kirsten Gillibrand          
Bill de Blasio

Yang...what are you talking about
With merch like this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2693/5196/products/MMM_Tee_Front_1024x1024@2x.png?v=1566510217)

I kinda feel that people are still somewhat interested in those folks
but they could all go away* Wednesday and I wouldn't shed a tear

*from the primary

I work with a guy named Yang who does math for a living. That shirt looks like a perfect Xmas gift if I was into giving Xmas gifts to my office mates.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 27, 2019, 10:27:32 am
Yeah, Yang sucks and is a one trick pony but at least he has a different viewpoint so I'm fine with him staying. It's kind of fun seeing how he can shoehorn his UBI pitch to every question like where he answered a climate question by saying with the $1000/ month you can move to high ground to survive
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 27, 2019, 10:32:01 am
Why would anyone drop out?


Stick it out hope you catch fire and parlay that into a cabinet position

That’s the play

It’s still really early...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 27, 2019, 10:47:52 am
Hutch:

Why would anyone drop out?


Stick it out hope you catch fire and parlay that into a cabinet position

That’s the play

It’s still really early...

Also Hutch:

His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 27, 2019, 11:10:15 am
Hutch:

Why would anyone drop out?


Stick it out hope you catch fire and parlay that into a cabinet position

That’s the play

It’s still really early...

Also Hutch:

His impact with the average American was zero

Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America

The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact

So what?

Still try to catch lightning is the play...you just never know


But did Inslee have impact ...no

In his case dropping out makes sense like Hickenlooper cause he wants to run for re-election

If you can get other people to drop out first..Outlast  the others then maybe you can eventually command a premium for your endorsement


Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on August 27, 2019, 11:13:36 am
Sleestak 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on August 27, 2019, 11:15:06 am
There is no contradiction between saying a candidate had no impact and saying a smart candidate (unless needing to run for re-election) would do well to hold out til Iowa

I mean what do you have to lose? Run a shoestring campaign, focus on Iowa and see what happens
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: vansmack on August 27, 2019, 03:36:05 pm
Absolutely nothing to lose, fundraising money to gain (just don't take on any debt):

Michael Bennet - not up for re-election until 2022    
Steve Bullock - termed out, hard to go from executive office to being the junior seat in the Senate (as much as I want him to)                 
John Delaney  - doesn't currently have a job         
Joe Sestak - out of a job, best chance for people to not forget who he is

Tom Steyer - has nothing to do but burn money.  And he has a lot of it.   
Marianne Williamson - nothing to lose, name recognition will help sell her books.
Kirsten Gillibrand - not up for re-election until 2024.  Hmm, run now, then again in 2024?         
Bill de Blasio - termed out in 2021.  Nothing else to do?


These two however, it's a fair question:

Tim Ryan -  will drop out as soon as his House seat is in danger.  Right now it's safe.
Tulsi Gabbard - will drop out as soon as her House seat is in danger.  Right now it's safe.  Also wants to be Bernie's VP candidate.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 27, 2019, 03:38:05 pm
John Delaney  - doesn't currently have a job         
This is a little harsh. I mean, he's not the funniest guy but he moves some tickets when he's out on tour. Being friends with the syphilis-patient on SNL has helped raise his profile.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on August 27, 2019, 03:43:56 pm
Playing UMd, 10/30, $45
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 27, 2019, 03:47:15 pm
Playing UMd, 10/30, $45
man at all the debates he was bald???
(https://umterps.com/images/2019/8/23/HCS19_Digital__Xfinity_Ad.jpg?width=1440&quality=80&format=jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 27, 2019, 04:02:31 pm
Absolutely nothing to lose, fundraising money to gain (just don't take on any debt):
I guess them not being on the stage is good and am starting to agree with how they decided to winnow out the field

I just think that it's an absurd circus to have to listen to so many try to do stand out things to get some attention
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 27, 2019, 04:13:39 pm
Playing UMd, 10/30, $45

I think you can watch him on Netflix for free, in your own living room.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on August 27, 2019, 04:28:42 pm
With cargo shorts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 27, 2019, 05:14:36 pm
scariest headline or porn I'd never watch
New 2020 Poll Shows Three-Way Tie with Sanders, Warren and Biden
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 27, 2019, 05:16:52 pm
scariest headline or porn I'd never watch
New 2020 Poll Shows Three-Way Tie with Sanders, Warren and Biden
No doubt, you meant to post this WoodRocket production in the Smackie thread.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 27, 2019, 06:27:26 pm
scariest headline or porn I'd never watch
New 2020 Poll Shows Three-Way Tie with Sanders, Warren and Biden

With cargo shorts?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 28, 2019, 11:34:37 am
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 28, 2019, 02:23:49 pm
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.
totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
I do admire her push to get more people voting....but this seems like opportunity knocking LOUDLY
special election in 2020 for this seat

Didn't seem like there was a possibility of the Dems taking the senate 2020...but the likelihood is increasing
Now if we could just figure out a way to DitchMitch
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 28, 2019, 04:02:25 pm
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.
totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
I do admire her push to get more people voting....but this seems like opportunity knocking LOUDLY
special election in 2020 for this seat

Didn't seem like there was a possibility of the Dems taking the senate 2020...but the likelihood is increasing
Now if we could just figure out a way to DitchMitch

Just generally bad news for the Dems that Abrams isn't running.  If she were on the ticket it would put both Senate seats and the electoral college votes in play because she would drag everyone else up. Without her, they better to find someone charismatic quick.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 28, 2019, 04:06:52 pm
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.
totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
I do admire her push to get more people voting....but this seems like opportunity knocking LOUDLY
special election in 2020 for this seat

Didn't seem like there was a possibility of the Dems taking the senate 2020...but the likelihood is increasing
Now if we could just figure out a way to DitchMitch

Just generally bad news for the Dems that Abrams isn't running.  If she were on the ticket it would put both Senate seats and the electoral college votes in play because she would drag everyone else up. Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.

I was going to randomly suggest a Georgia sports hero, like Herschel Walker. But turns out he's a Republican.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 28, 2019, 04:15:25 pm
draft jimmy carter?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 28, 2019, 05:35:29 pm
Gillibrand out
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 28, 2019, 05:36:46 pm
Gillibrand out

I thought she was going to be much more formidable then she ended up being.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 28, 2019, 05:42:08 pm
Gillibrand out

I thought she was going to be much more formidable then she ended up being.

Apparently
the troglodyte cretin, Franken-loving garbage wing of the party
has more power than we thought

But I agree, thought she was a top 10 candidate for sure
just something very fake and awkward in her appearances and internal promotion stuff
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 28, 2019, 05:45:25 pm
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 28, 2019, 05:56:33 pm
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
wow best idea ever for latest chapter in "what crazy thing can we get a bordie to do"

I'm in for $50
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on August 28, 2019, 05:59:15 pm
I don't know if you can blame her lack of momentum on the pro-Franken folks.  I kind of feel that's an online only phenomenon, though I could be wrong.  I have no thoughts or feelings about Gillebrand at all, before or after this primary, but I really can't recall a single thing she did as part of it.  At least duds like Delaney or Hickenlooper stood out, though for negative reasons.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on August 28, 2019, 06:02:31 pm
draft jimmy carter?

The only team he's improve is the Orioles.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 28, 2019, 11:35:18 pm
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.

Next time, can you please correct my obvious grammar mistakes when quoting me?  Ugh, that made me cringe.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: gavroche on August 28, 2019, 11:37:42 pm
I don't know if you can blame her lack of momentum on the pro-Franken folks.  I kind of feel that's an online only phenomenon, though I could be wrong.  I have no thoughts or feelings about Gillebrand at all, before or after this primary, but I really can't recall a single thing she did as part of it.  At least duds like Delaney or Hickenlooper stood out, though for negative reasons.

I also don't think the Franken thing hurt her, if anything it is the only thing she did that gave her any identity.  I think the bigger issue is she tried to move from being center left to more progressive and the move didn't really work for anyone.

I think she probably would have done better as Klobuchar without the stories of staff abuse.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on August 29, 2019, 12:22:12 am
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
wow best idea ever for latest chapter in "what crazy thing can we get a bordie to do"

I'm in for $50
Shit, I’m a senate candidate now. Moving into the family compound in Blairsville.

Please send the fiddy to the #JulianForTheNow Campaign headquarters.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 29, 2019, 08:17:13 am
I also don't think the Franken thing hurt her, if anything it is the only thing she did that gave her any identity. 
noticing most stories about her only mention two things...franken and NRA A rating
definitely failed to make a narrative about her in the campaign

Just saw this...false flag...but kinda funny
A sad day for the Democrats, Kirsten Gillibrand has dropped out of the Presidential Primary. I’m glad they never found out that she was the one I was really afraid of!
welp at least they have this tweet to remember the campaign
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 29, 2019, 08:18:42 am

Please send the fiddy to the #JulianForTheNow Campaign headquarters.
I'm talking to the marketing team and I'm lobbying for #JustintimeJulian as the slogan
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on August 29, 2019, 04:06:03 pm
it is interesting in the dem primary...except for mayor Pete...seems like the initial top picks have stayed the top picks
when the republicans had 16...many of them led polling and got big bumps (and press) along the way

there were times when Fiorina, Walker, Rubio, Carson, and Jeb were all leading in polling (is it me but neither Cruz, Kasich or Trump never led in the polls but they were the last three)

been pretty much the same leaders since it's started with the dems



Unrealted
from what I read...this headline sums it all up The new James Comey report proves whatever you want it to prove
the spin from both sides is like they are reading two different documents
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on August 29, 2019, 05:03:18 pm
The new James Comey report proves whatever you want it to prove
the spin from both sides is like they are reading two different documents

just like the mueller report...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 06, 2019, 08:47:25 am
Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz abandons 2020 presidential ambitions
not that he even had a chance...I don't really know anyone who liked him as a candidate


this was interesting, but not surprising
Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
"Republican parties in South Carolina, Nevada, Arizona and Kansas are expected to finalize the cancellations in meetings this weekend"

Is there any precedent to this?

This made me chuckle
Joe Walsh "Trump is afraid of a serious primary challenge because he knows his support is very soft.” super soft with over 90% approval in the party. Joe I don't think you know what that word means
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 06, 2019, 09:06:38 am
I might have to have a frappachino to celebrate his departure.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 06, 2019, 09:07:19 am
Oh, he had his fans

(https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1117845111671590914/pu/img/CucmL1HHCumwGMNs.jpg)

Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz abandons 2020 presidential ambitions
not that he even had a chance...I don't really know anyone who liked him as a candidate
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 09, 2019, 02:08:39 pm
Valerie Plame is running in New Mexico for the house. ...and has a kick ass ad (https://youtu.be/ICW-dGD1M18)

oh and Mark Sanford didn't get the memo that the RNC pretty much isn't allowing people to primary Trump...but he's running

trump predictably tweeted "“But now take heart, he is back, and running for President of the United States. The Three Stooges, all badly failed candidates, will give it a go!”
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 10, 2019, 01:07:24 pm
#julianforthenewjobsearch 
Nate's called him one of the BOCK candidates (Booker/O’Rourke/Castro/Klobuchar) and giving them a TKO on 2020

looking like last 5 standing will be
Warren, Harris, Buttigieg (still a little bit of a shocker), Biden and Sanders

Obviously February is a few months away...but not looking good for the other 15 major candidates still running
apparently there are over 250 people who filed with the FEC to run for president in the Democratic Party primary
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on September 10, 2019, 01:12:35 pm
#julianforthenewjobsearch 
He was always FOR THE FUTURE. Why doesn't anyone pay attention when I tell you things?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2019, 01:35:42 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on September 10, 2019, 01:39:09 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?
I would definitely have doubt. We'd have to talk about who else dropped out too. Are we talking we wake up on 9/11/2019 and only Biden and Warren are left or everything is exactly the same except Bernie is out? Do I get to intuit who else drops out before Iowa/New Hampshire?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 10, 2019, 03:44:50 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?

is there any doubt that bernie would be the nominee if warren dropped out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on September 10, 2019, 03:47:18 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?

is there any doubt that bernie would be the nominee if warren dropped out?
I would definitely have more doubt than in Space's hypothetical scenario. Bernie is a total non-starter.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 10, 2019, 04:15:35 pm
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?

I don't know.  I think Warren is more palatable to the establishment because Bernie's in the race.  Without him, I think she becomes way more of a threat and would have a lot more energy put up against her. 

Plus, while there's obvious reason to compare the two on policies, their base doesn't seem to have the overlap you'd think.

(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/08/PP_2019.08.16_2020-democratic-candidates_0-06-1.png?resize=1024,725)

From Pew: https://www.people-press.org/2019/08/16/most-democrats-are-excited-by-several-2020-candidates-not-just-their-top-choice/pp_2019-08-16_2020-democratic-candidates_0-06/

And it's two months old-ish at this point, but this had a good summary of the differences:

https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/07/12/sanders-warren-voters-2020-1408548

"In poll after poll, Sanders appeals to lower-income and less-educated people; Warren beats Sanders among those with postgraduate degrees. Sanders performs better with men, Warren with women. Younger people who vote less frequently are more often in Sanders’ camp; seniors who follow politics closely generally prefer Warren.

Sanders also has won over more African Americans than Warren: He earns a greater share of support from black voters than any candidate in the race except for Joe Biden, according to the latest Morning Consult surveys."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on September 10, 2019, 04:26:39 pm
I'm just totally grossed out at this thoughtful, sourced analysis instead of multiple paragraphs of completely unsolicited random ruminations presented as facts. Get bent, nkotb.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 10, 2019, 04:34:05 pm
I'm just totally grossed out at this thoughtful, sourced analysis instead of multiple paragraphs of completely unsolicited random ruminations presented as facts. Get bent, nkotb.

(https://i.imgflip.com/2ahdnu.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 10, 2019, 05:57:25 pm
Yawn
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 10, 2019, 05:59:30 pm
yikes
 ben Shapiro memes as a defense...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 10, 2019, 07:17:03 pm
@AriBerman
NOT A JOKE. This is how NC GOP responding to 357 page court order requiring them to remedy their illegal  gerrymander of state legislative districts
@AllisonJRiggs
So this just happened. The Senate Redistricting Committee just brought in freaking lottery officials to randomly draw a map to satisfy their duty to remedy constitutional violations in the map they drew in 2017. #notthelegalstandard #democracydiesinnc


This is not the actual gif...but this is similar to what they are using to pick districs
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ps8XflhsT5EVa/giphy.gif)

Honestly...not that bad of an idea
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 10, 2019, 08:30:27 pm
yikes
 ben Shapiro memes as a defense...

Shapiro is easily a top 5 hated figure in ky world. I am a pacifist but would love to punch his tiny face.  Gutted you thought that was sincere :(
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 11, 2019, 12:53:33 pm
Canada has a federal fixed election date and Canadians head to the polls every four years. This campaign will be a relatively short 40 days, or just over five weeks.

Could you imagine a 5 week campaign in the US
...there would be a whole industry of pundits looking for other work for the other 203 weeks of the cycle
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 11, 2019, 01:01:14 pm
And consultants and campaign staff and media (including TV stations in places like IA and NH)

Our system is an abomination
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 11, 2019, 03:07:24 pm
any bets on what he's going to do?

@samstein
Andrew Yang’s campaign manager just called to tell me that at tomorrow night’s debate, Yang will be doing "something no presidential candidate has ever done before in history.” He declined to go further than that.

I'm going with streaking...he's going to get naked and streak across the stage with Soy Bomb tattooed on his ass


already some good responses:
Reply to all questions with song and dance?
Long division live on stage? #math
Announcing he is dropping out
He's going to give a thousand dollars to every person in the crowd, like Oprah
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 11, 2019, 03:35:11 pm
Canada has a federal fixed election date and Canadians head to the polls every four years.

this statement is at best misleading, and at worse false.  canadian federal elections can happen on any date, and a term is in fact 5 years but the tradition is to call an election after 4 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_election_dates_in_Canada
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 11, 2019, 03:37:29 pm
Canada has a federal fixed election date and Canadians head to the polls every four years.

this statement is at best misleading, and at worse false.  canadian federal elections can happen on any date, and a term is in fact 5 years but the tradition is to call an election after 4 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_election_dates_in_Canada
I usually don't reveal my source...but, blame the BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49656611)
also I dropped the 'must' Canadians must head to the polls as it just sounded odd

so they call the election one year before they have to?

can you explain it with a gif or a meme (hopefully with a mountie in it?)

--let's be clear, my mockery of o Canedada is actually really psychological projection as a defense mechanism I subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions I have with how fucked up the US is and how Canada really has figured somethings out that we could learn from and if it wasn't so cold, I'd be happy living there
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 12, 2019, 01:22:58 pm
any bets on what he's going to do?

@samstein
Andrew Yang’s campaign manager just called to tell me that at tomorrow night’s debate, Yang will be doing "something no presidential candidate has ever done before in history.” He declined to go further than that.

I'm going with streaking...he's going to get naked and streak across the stage with Soy Bomb tattooed on his ass
Crickets...come on bordies...thought you'd come up with a funny one or two
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 12, 2019, 01:55:41 pm
any bets on what he's going to do?

@samstein
Andrew Yang’s campaign manager just called to tell me that at tomorrow night’s debate, Yang will be doing "something no presidential candidate has ever done before in history.” He declined to go further than that.

I'm going with streaking...he's going to get naked and streak across the stage with Soy Bomb tattooed on his ass
Crickets...come on bordies...thought you'd come up with a funny one or two

Given his Taiwanese background, that's probably not a good look for him.

https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 12, 2019, 02:12:24 pm
14.88>13.21
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 12, 2019, 02:37:37 pm
14.88>13.21

65th out of 88 for the US. Imagine how much more poorly we'd be doing without African-Americans.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 13, 2019, 08:55:46 am
I’m going to call Booker the winner, in spite of his punt/flub of the veganism question. And Beto a strong second.

But stupid Democratic voters will still cling to the three old people.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 13, 2019, 09:06:04 am
Well to be fair stupid would be deciding your vote based on a debate (unless you are picking someone to represent you at a debate competition ).

These debates are pointless

Looking forward to getting my freedom dividend
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 13, 2019, 09:21:46 am
Looking forward to getting my freedom dividend
that was a little predictable coming from yang...but I'm sure it drove an insane amount of foot traffic to https://www.yang2020.com/
in the end though, probably a pretty useless database of people singing up, but I'm sure they'll try to hawk it to anyone who buys lists
if he doesn't get slapped with a FEC lawsuit
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 13, 2019, 09:32:27 am
I'd add Castro to the mix as well.  I think he did a good job of standing out and giving people a reason to maybe look a bit deeper.  Not sure he has much beyond that, but he did rise above most of the rest.  I'm not a fan of Booker or Beto but they both had pretty good nights.  Good on Beto for talking about guns without flinching or tiptoeing around it.

Pretty cool to see a lot of headlines about Biden coming out on top!

I’m going to call Booker the winner, in spite of his punt/flub of the veganism question. And Beto a strong second.

But stupid Democratic voters will still cling to the three old people.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Yada on September 13, 2019, 09:39:04 am
I didn't watch this garbage last night, but did Joe's dentures really fall out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 13, 2019, 09:41:34 am
https://theslot.jezebel.com/so-what-was-up-with-joe-bidens-teeth-1838084693

I didn't watch this garbage last night, but did Joe's dentures really fall out?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 13, 2019, 09:47:53 am
I'd add Castro to the mix as well.  I think he did a good job of standing out and giving people a reason to maybe look a bit deeper.  Not sure he has much beyond that, but he did rise above most of the rest.  I'm not a fan of Booker or Beto but they both had pretty good nights.  Good on Beto for talking about guns without flinching or tiptoeing around it.

Pretty cool to see a lot of headlines about Biden coming out on top!

I’m going to call Booker the winner, in spite of his punt/flub of the veganism question. And Beto a strong second.

But stupid Democratic voters will still cling to the three old people.

I'd give Castro an honorable mention. On the one hand, his age related attacks on Biden seemed a little mean-spirited (and Joe didn't actually change his tune two minutes later, Castro had it wrong), but on the other hand I'd love to see him go balls deep on Trump like he did Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 13, 2019, 09:59:34 am
I thought his come back to Mayor Pete whining that everyone was arguing was good too
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 18, 2019, 04:47:03 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EExfmbFXoAAu3PV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 19, 2019, 11:08:58 am
Update..
1. I got this image from the 930 twitter feed, most reliable source in the biz
2. It's not beto and not piss Fake Viral Photo Of Beto O’Rourke Wetting Himself Is Actually (Sandy) Alex G After Spilling Beer (https://www.stereogum.com/2058721/beto-o-rourke-sandy-alex-g-fake-viral-photo/news/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EExfmbFXoAAu3PV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 19, 2019, 02:24:48 pm
I don't think anyone in the world thought that was Beto.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 19, 2019, 03:19:19 pm
I don't think anyone in the world thought that was Beto.
well at least me and the person who handles the 930 twitter account did...so really no one of importance
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WalkOnBack on September 19, 2019, 03:28:50 pm
Speaking of Beto . . . he is now officially running on the platform of legalization of pot, and expunging records relating to pot.

Wow.  Too bad, he doesn't have a chance of winning.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 19, 2019, 03:56:00 pm
Four-term Republican California Rep. Paul Cook is retiring
the 13th House GOP lawmaker so far to announce his or her retirement

Rats are getting off the sinking ship
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 19, 2019, 04:03:41 pm
More like the guys retiring are the more reasonable republicans and the ones staying are the rats...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 19, 2019, 04:15:26 pm
Speaking of Beto . . . he is now officially running on the platform of legalization of pot, and expunging records relating to pot.

Wow.  Too bad, he doesn't have a chance of winning.

It's nice that he's adopting Biden's platform, and really any of the Dems still in it.

Then, in July 2019, the former vice president released a wide-ranging criminal justice reform plan that calls for the decriminalization of marijuana and automatic expungements for those with previous cannabis possession convictions.

https://news.medicalmarijuanainc.com/2020-presidential-candidates-marijuana-legalization/
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 19, 2019, 04:15:53 pm
Or, they see that sweet windfall of cash by selling a book with the title of like "Weathering the Storm: Life in the era of Trump" or some similar bullshit where they can pretend to be aghast by Trump while still supporting all of his evil agenda!

Four-term Republican California Rep. Paul Cook is retiring
the 13th House GOP lawmaker so far to announce his or her retirement

Rats are getting off the sinking ship
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 20, 2019, 09:10:11 am
Saw my first Warren bumper sticker here in Arlington

Two days ago saw a Trump one in Leesburg
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 20, 2019, 09:58:39 am
 Bill de Blasio announced Friday morning that he was dropping out of the race.
and then there were 19

Trumps response was chuckle worthy although could use some help on tense
@realDonaldTrump
Oh no, really big political news, perhaps the biggest story in years! Part time Mayor of New York City,  @BilldeBlasio
, who was polling at a solid ZERO but had tremendous room for growth, has shocking dropped out of the Presidential race. NYC is devastated, he’s coming home!


I wish we could get Vermin on the debate stage....
(https://rlv.zcache.com/vermin_supreme_for_president_button-r1b1c996e00a44cadb27171f6210aa5a4_k94rf_540.jpg?rlvnet=1)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 20, 2019, 10:29:17 am
@studentactivism
As summaries go, "Trump offered a foreign leader $250 million in aid in exchange for dirt on Joe Biden" is pretty simple and compelling.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: WalkOnBack on September 20, 2019, 01:46:02 pm
Here's a summary. His supporters don't care. Republican don't care. Democrats are too weak to do anything about it. Everybody thinks if they just vote it will change something. Nothing changes and nothing fucking matters, to people obsessedwith politics.

The, end.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 20, 2019, 02:17:08 pm
Well the thing is most people go about their jobs and raising family and they really don’t care about the minutiae of inside the beltway politics

By this point many Trump supporters are tuning all this stuff out while a few million liberals get giddy “This is what will take him down!”

I watched Trump’s presser with Australian PM and to me he looks comfortable and like he has grown into the job and in his own way he is very likable

I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 20, 2019, 02:24:38 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes
so depressing and possible
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 20, 2019, 03:02:31 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him.  not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 20, 2019, 03:20:46 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him.  not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.

There has to be some pictures of Trunp in blackface somewhere.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 20, 2019, 03:44:37 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him.  not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.

There has to be some pictures of Trunp in blackface somewhere.

That would only help him probably
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 20, 2019, 03:45:45 pm
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates

there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him.  not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.

The bribe acceptance on tape might do it depending on source...

The rest no
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 20, 2019, 04:52:15 pm
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?

Dan Coats?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 24, 2019, 04:19:03 pm
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press conf

I'm Pea Smint?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on September 24, 2019, 04:25:08 pm
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press conf
I mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 24, 2019, 04:26:27 pm
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press conf
I mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
hows that going to impact Trumps nomination for the Noble Peace Prize?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 24, 2019, 04:47:33 pm
Now Trump says he will release unredacted transcript of call tomorrow


Tulsi Gabbard does not support impeachment

People assume democrats have votes in the house but what if they don’t even have that!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 24, 2019, 06:05:00 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFQoBI1VUAAt81v?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2019, 06:13:25 pm
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press conf
I mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
hows that going to impact Trumps nomination for the Noble Peace Prize?

He probably spells it just like you do.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2019, 06:16:51 pm
Now Trump says he will release unredacted transcript of call tomorrow


Tulsi Gabbard does not support impeachment

People assume democrats have votes in the house but what if they don’t even have that!

She's another Russian stooge.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 24, 2019, 06:21:47 pm
I know but she still gets a vote

This is high stakes

What if phone call transcript comes out and it’s completely innocuous?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 24, 2019, 06:31:48 pm
Name Biden better be on that transcript
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 24, 2019, 10:52:14 pm
watching Newsmax CEO Chris Ruddy on CNN tonight

Trump’s best advocate/defender...maybe only effective one

Made some good points between Lemmon interruptions

FOX News on the other hand is just sheer lunacy

Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 12:41:13 am

time to play fear & fantasy:

What if phone call transcript comes out and it’s completely innocuous?

my fear: trump (or more likely someone around him) is playing 3D chess.  they knew the Dems would go ape-shit for a whistleblower story, so when they got a weak-sauce complaint that won't stick, they made a big dog-n-pony show of saying it exists but not releasing it, Dems bit hook line and sinker, and the grand finally: a weak-sauce complaint.  cue the sad trombones, Dems have egg on their face, trump cruises to a reelection on the platform of "see how insane and self-deluded those donkeys are."

my fantasy: there is a "there" there, but the complaint + transcription aren't quite enough to seal the deal.  Pence, in the sidelines, sees his big chance: he leaks some info/tapes/etc., trump is carted away, and he achieves his life-long dream of being president.  but wait, there's more!  pence's role as the leaker is discovered, he himself is impeached and removed, and Pelosi becomes acting prez for a short time until Nov 2020 when someone sane takes over the Oval Office.  cue the credits.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 25, 2019, 11:10:21 am
Well well well
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 25, 2019, 11:17:36 am
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?

Dan Coats?
Bolton has an axe to grind and apparently was furious over this withholding of funding
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Space Freely on September 25, 2019, 11:18:06 am
Well well well

nei
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: starsky on September 25, 2019, 11:35:42 am
National Eye Institute!
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 03:52:15 pm
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble about impeachment but I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaker of the house
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 25, 2019, 03:54:27 pm
I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the house
not following what you are trying to say here?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 03:55:47 pm
Rules are rules, folks

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 03:58:20 pm
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble about impeachment but I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the house

what is she speaking about, then?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 03:59:46 pm
Modifying my posts is a federal crime @FBI @CIA

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble about impeachment but I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the house

what is she speaking about, then?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 25, 2019, 04:01:09 pm
Rules are rules, folks

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177
ok..so it was your grammar/tense and you were quoting trump...
TRUMP: and Nancy Pelosi as far as I'm concerned, unfortunately, she's no longer Speaker of the House.

So why is trump saying unfortunately?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 04:01:56 pm
Rules are rules, folks

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177
ok..so it was your grammar/tense and you were quoting trump...
TRUMP: and Nancy Pelosi as far as I'm concerned, unfortunately, she's no longer Speaker of the House.

So why is trump saying unfortunately?

I think this is kind of like when you got punished as a kid and your parents would say "this hurts me more than it hurts you".
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 25, 2019, 04:02:54 pm
did your parents say that a lot?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 04:04:55 pm
Yes, but I was also a shithead as a kid, so they were probably right
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 25, 2019, 04:15:41 pm
Yes, but I was also a shithead as a kid, so they were probably right
can you elaborate...inquiring minds want to know

(https://media.giphy.com/media/tOOsUaHsh8bw4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: nkotb on September 25, 2019, 04:34:43 pm
Ah, nothing super fun.  Like 90% of the bad stuff I did I never got caught for, and as a straight edge kid, it was probably worse than the kids that were drinking or doing drugs.  I just had a lousy attitude and made it known to my parents at any chance I could get.  Got my fair share of spankings and would purposefully smile or hum a song as it happened.  Total shithead moves. 

Glad that 1) my kids aren't nearly as shitty (yet), and 2) learned my lessons that spanking was bogus.

But I digress.  RIP Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House.
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 05:03:10 pm
Modifying my posts is a federal crime @FBI @CIA

you're a masochist?
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 05:23:44 pm
if you look at the first page "transcript" that was released today, it states the US-UKR call was from 9:03 to 9:33 a.m.  there is no way it took 30 minutes to say what was written there.  zelensky speak english well (although from the transcript you can tell he's not a native speaker, but he speaks at a pretty normal pace).  trump is slow and plodding, but not that slow.

in the fine print they state it is not a verbatim transcript (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/09/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript-annotated/) but is content missing?  perhaps redacted?

in very related news, the "transcript" released today was from the second trump/zelensky call.  transcript of first will be released too, they say... after it's been redacted, also?

off to go find more tin foil...
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: Heilung4eva on September 25, 2019, 05:32:27 pm
Here's an authoritative description:

https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587533322342400?s=19
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 05:45:06 pm
there is no way it took 30 minutes to say what was written there. 

mystery solved! (https://babylonbee.com/news/transcript-reveals-trump-ukrainian-president-argued-for-fifteen-minutes-about-who-would-hang-up-first)
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: sweetcell on September 25, 2019, 05:47:49 pm
Here's an authoritative description:

https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587533322342400?s=19 (https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587533322342400?s=19)

^ good read.

good comment: "In other words the transcript of the call in this case may be very similar to the Barr summary of the Mueller report."
Title: Re: The 2020 thread....
Post by: outlandish-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on September 26, 2019, 12:46:41 pm
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?

Dan Coats?
Bolton has an axe to grind and apparently was furious over this withholding of funding
not thinking Coats with this comment he just made
"Nothing came to me. I left on Aug. 15.... The very next day that was presented to Joe. I feel so ba