Elections will have been suspended by then.
These are the 33 Senate seats up for election in 2020.
20 (likely 21) of the 33 are Republican held seats.
Alabama Doug Jones Democratic
Alaska Dan Sullivan Republican
Arkansas Tom Cotton Republican
Colorado Cory Gardner Republican
Delaware Chris Coons Democratic
Georgia David Perdue Republican
Idaho Jim Risch Republican
Illinois Dick Durbin Democratic
Iowa Joni Ernst Republican
Kansas Pat Roberts Republican
Kentucky Mitch McConnell Republican
Louisiana Bill Cassidy Republican
Maine Susan Collins Republican
Massachusetts Ed Markey Democratic
Michigan Gary Peters Democratic
Minnesota Tina Smith Democratic
Mississippi TBD (2018 Special Election)
Montana Steve Daines Republican
Nebraska Ben Sasse Republican
New Hampshire Jeanne Shaheen Democratic
New Jersey Cory Booker Democratic
New Mexico Tom Udall Democratic
North Carolina Thom Tillis Republican
Oklahoma Jim Inhofe Republican
Oregon Jeff Merkley Democratic
Rhode Island Jack Reed Democratic
South Carolina Lindsey Graham Republican
South Dakota Mike Rounds Republican
Tennessee Lamar Alexander Republican
Texas John Cornyn Republican
Virginia Mark Warner Democratic
West Virginia Shelley Moore Capito Republican
Wyoming Mike Enzi Republican
Ok...midterms have terminated
early contenders for Dem Nomination?
Beto
Cory Booker
Gavin Newsom
Al Franken?!
No longer contenders
Hil
Bernie
Liz Warren
Well wether to woo or not depends on wether a person is wooable but anyone who says democrats represent everything they are against is hopeless at this point...democrats are going to move left during the primaries...
I kind of have come to conclude that the whole appeal to undecideds or independents theory is bullshit...,excite your base...get them out and convert more people to your ideas NOT act wushu washy and water down your stances to appeal to a person who despises everything about your party thus alienating your base and making sure they don’t turn out
Potentially our first Native American president. How exciting!
Well then there is no point trying to woo him as the democrats see being pro choice as a key part of their platform and that ain’t going to change
Personally I am pro life for MYSELF but since I can’t have babies by myself it matters not a whit...but I just don’t feel comfortable telling someone else what to do on this
I do think the democrats overdo it though...can’t we be pro choice and at the same time do more to encourage people not to abort?!? Is that so wrong?!? Can’t we accept abortion is a bad outcome?
I wish so hard we had not miscarried what would have been my third kid...now we are too old and I have accepted I will not have more kids...but boy did I want that one...life is precious and babies are such a blessing that even though I am pro choice I will always have trouble with abortion...millions of babies never born...it’s crazy
man, with your stance on Immigration coupled with your statement below...you might have to turn in your democrat card
I do agree we've created a situation where Democrats can't talk about either of these topics unless it's exactly on the party line
whoa...100% agreement with hutch...is this bizarro dayman, with your stance on Immigration coupled with your statement below...you might have to turn in your democrat card
I do agree we've created a situation where Democrats can't talk about either of these topics unless it's exactly on the party line
I don't remember his exact stance on immigrants, but agree with him 100% on abortion.
My thought on abortion is if you're against it, don't have one.I just don't think it's that simple. You can say that about Howard Stern, but I think it's way more coplex when talking about the medical procedure to terminate ones pregnancy
He’s not going to win, but there’s something about the Julian For The Future tagline thats awfully faith-inspiring.You have to start the thread and it will come true
I will not support Gillibrand in any way
That I can tell you
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate
I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate
I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?
In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."
Fine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate
I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?
In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."
so she's honest... how is that a negative?
she is DEAD to me now...how dare sheFine...I would vote for her against Trump but would not canvass or donate
I have no opinion on her. Why do you feel the way you do about her?
In her memoir, she called Arlington, "a soulless suburb."
so she's honest... how is that a negative?
I object! Another strike against here....
Who knew Julian hated rich white men so much?LOL
I wish I had more South American test pressings....they really don’t exist...I don’t think I own one
Is it racist if I link to https://www.julianforthefuture.com/ now?I wish I had more South American test pressings....they really don’t exist...I don’t think I own one
Who would be the most likely candidate to promise more South American test pressings?
Damn that is pretty shockingagreed
Damn that is pretty shockingagreed
...quick question though...doesn't this counter the narrative that nytimes is a mouthpiece for the dems/liberals?
I don’t get people that tell people not to run....seems very anti-democratic and un American
Now I can see trying to convince people not to vote third party once all candidates are announced for general but at this early point?
Anyone who wants to be president should run to be president...the more the better
Perot is most certainly not dead.Unless you’ve spoken to him in the last few minutes, this is really irresponsible.
The Republican Party is so solidly brainwashed and behind Trump I am not sure anyone can bleed much support from him...not even - I stand corrected- an 89 year old Perot
i don't support this opinion, but it's out there. ugh.wise man once said "opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one"
I mean I could see a firestorm over this....Red states objecting etc
Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?
yeah, they'd go insane. because after years of snipping a little voters' rights here, a little bit there... it would all be undone, and then some, in one swoop.I know... a simple concept too
Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?I wholeheartly agree, but corporations like wallmart and starbuck will want to do the civic duty (PR) and a lot more "poor" people will easily be able to vote
Cory throws his hat in the ring
please explain?Cory throws his hat in the ring
Won't be nominated.
eh, i'm not sure of that. there is a solid segement of the voting population - around a third of the electorate - that will indeed support trump no matter what he does (including shooting someone on 5th ave). but between that third and the 50'ish% that he needs to get elected again - that's the segment that is vulnerable. (reminder: trump won 2016 with 46.1%, so if 1/3 is correct then he needs to muster another ~13%).
it's all about timing, say Hil went up against Mitt or McCain...I think she would have won
please explain?Cory throws his hat in the ring
Won't be nominated.
As far as Trump chances if the economy averages 250k job growth a month for the next 20 months and wages continue to grow I have to think he will be re-elected no matter how ridiculous and objectionable people may find him....I don't think this will be sustainable...the wheels are starting to come off on this stuff
it's sad that her chances at 2020 will be brought down by this
she's toast...
this is an argument that starting the 2020 primaries 2 years ahead is a bad idea
TBH ...I think she was better running mate material, not anymore
or CastroThis #julianforthefuture is really catching on ;)
HAIL JULIAN!or CastroThis #julianforthefuture is really catching on ;)
I think Space you have the wrong approach
Swing voters in today’s America???
The key is to drive up your base turnout....get people to vote who hate Trump...not try to find a needle in the haystack: an open minded white man in the Midwest who is having trouble deciding whether he supports Trump (are there many of these)
Hillary lost among other things cause black people could not be bothered to stand in line for her in the same numbers that did so for Obama in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee
The old model of targeting the center is dead....fundamentally you have to get your base to turn out...give them something to stand in line for....not some milquetoast platform to target a few “swing voters”
At least that is the way I see it and I used to totally share your view Space
Look at at Tim Kaine? In retrospect did he add anything to Hillary?zero, I don't even think he delivered VA to Hill
Basically we need a Trump on the leftNo such animal exists or ever could
Biden is one of a kind in that he might peel off some support in the middle but I know he is too old
I have no idea who should get nomination until they go through the paces
Kamala Harris has appeal at this point but who knows...a misstep after the town hall gives one pause (she should have stuck to her statement about insurance companies and not gone back on it)
Basically we need a Trump on the left
Biden is one of a kind in that he might peel off some support in the middle but I know he is too old
I have no idea who should get nomination until they go through the paces
Kamala Harris has appeal at this point but who knows...a misstep after the town hall gives one pause (she should have stuck to her statement about insurance companies and not gone back on it)
Basically we need a Trump on the left
I think we need someone who can heal us from the damage Trump has done to the country. We don't need a Trump on the left.
Justin Trudeau?Is Canada going to invade
Justin Trudeau?Is Canada going to invade
apparently there is a border crisis and we were focusing on the wrong one!
I welcome the Canadian overlords!
I don’t get it...was there a benefit for Warren putting Native American on a Texas bar application? Maybe she thought she was?She's toast, seems silly that this would bring her down. But all her previous statements on this matter contradict
no-nothing
prepare to feel the Bern!donny is trying to get this nick-name to stick....
let the haters commence....
One can only hope Bernie doesn’t cost us two elections but goddamnit if he ain’t going to do his best...
It’s up to the voters
Now whether the Democratic Party should have let him run in its primaries is a fair questionwhere are you going with that logic...so in 2016 the democratic party should have said you can't run in this primary?
Still doesn't mean he can register as a Dem and run in their primary and let the voters decide
Yeah I know it’s crazy for the Democratic Party to require people be - you know- members of the Democratic Party to run as its standard bearer for the highest office in the land...
wow...giving FL to the GOP (obviously a prediction two years ahead doesn't mean squat)
So are we thinking the felons are really going to have no impact in FL?
there are like 1 million and the elections have been only won in the thousands...
You know Florida sidehatch....short of the three southeastern counties it’s Trump country...Can't argue that...
hey, felons are people too
if they have done their time, isn't that enough?
I wouldn't say that the dems are reliying on them, but how can it not have an impact on a state that has razor thin margins every election for the last few decades
Trust me the GOP was trying to kill that bill with all their might as they know it might tip the results
Flordia impact on our presidential election is insane....and isn't that ironic as Floridians are kind of insane too (check out: Florida Man (@_FloridaMan). Real-life stories of the world's worst superhero)
Republicans in state are doing everything they can to stop them from getting the vote. Hard to say how many new voters will actually get added.
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Exactly
my point exactly, they wouldn't be trying so hard if they though it would have no impacthey, felons are people tooRepublicans in state are doing everything they can to stop the ballot initiative from being implemented.
Ok put your money where your mouth is
I bet you $50 Trump carries Florida and Ohio regardless of felons voting
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trumpNo you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
MAGA=Gun ownerHad to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trumpNo you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
You could’ve squelched on the bet like a rat. You CHOSE not to.MAGA=Gun ownerHad to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trumpNo you didn't. No one put a gun to your head.
it was a part of the bet...he would have had to say he loved Hilliary, which I was looking forward too
I blame Michigan!
hmm...I'm done taking bets on politics
I bet my MAGA brother-in-law $100 on Hil to win, then the day before we doubled the bet...
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
Luckily he doesn't do social media...otherwise I'm sure that would be posted many times in the run up to 2020hmm...I'm done taking bets on politics
I bet my MAGA brother-in-law $100 on Hil to win, then the day before we doubled the bet...
Had to sign one of the $100s to say that I love trump
Wow...that is a serious offense
Well this dude works for a Republican think tanknot going to argue that...but I do think he makes some pretty good points that made me throw up in my mouth and have an aneurysm
The harder we accept things are going to be to unseat Trump -the less delusional we are - the more the appeal of Joe Biden...
On the other hand this would seem to run counter to the motivate your base argument
It’s all about balance!
Well this dude works for a Republican think tanknot going to argue that...but I do think he makes some pretty good points that made me throw up in my mouth and have an aneurysm
I think we know it will do nothing
Be realistic....wishful thinking isn’t going to defeat him
If I had a nickel for every person that told me he would be impeached or resign cause he didn’t enjoy being president...
His popularity has held steady through 5643 scandals
But Trump’s approval is always the same give a few points here or there no matter what happens....that’s my point
We have had dozens of things happen that are insane and it doesn’t move the needle
Do you think the Kushner security clearance will have any impact? Of course not...it’s all baked in...everyone knows he is a slime bag lying piece of shit but nobody cares...his supporters like him
Predictably no Bloomberg runI like the guy, but don't think he has any appeal in red states at all....
Gaffes? Trump is President!!not going to argue that...but those people find those as 'endearing qualities' on trump and the sign of satan on democrats
Sherrod Brown not running
If Biden runs in the primaries this is another positive for him although everyone seems to be hating on Joe....
ha...when I heard this on the radio, my first though was 'space will be bummed'Sherrod Brown not runningBoo. I guess this makes Joe my guy.
Gaffes? Trump is President!!
Gaffes? Trump is President!!
Democrats can't lower themselves to the GOP's subterranean level. I loved Franken and was hoping that he'd run for president, but dude had to go. You can't condemn Trump for his shit if you're willing to tolerate it in your own party.
Democrats can't lower themselves to the GOP's subterranean level. I loved Franken and was hoping that he'd run for president, but dude had to go. You can't condemn Trump for his shit if you're willing to tolerate it in your own party.You've just joined Gillibrand on Hutch's hissyfit list.
(It’s an AOL account 😂).I can not tell you how many Small Business Owners, whose businesses are doing in the multi million in revenue still use AOL as their primary form of communication with their clients and the public
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work for and I just got his personal email address. (It’s an AOL account 😂).
What do I do with this information?
TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work forKinda waiting for Yada to Doxx julie on this....
I have three post it notes of personal info on yada, his wife, and kids. The fool posted his photo account like six months ago.TAN: Chris Christie is on the board of directors for the Investment Firm that owns the company I work forKinda waiting for Yada to Doxx julie on this....
Oooh. Is my file full of guacamole stained chipotle receipts?Theres a wellness blog somewhere in it.
I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jailFor sure...that's why I said leak
I think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jailFor sure...that's why I said leak
Also didn't some congresspeople already see them? or muller?
more that there was no concrete evidence of fraud, so why kill ourselves on this topicI think if you work at IRS and release tax info from someone you go to jailFor sure...that's why I said leak
Also didn't some congresspeople already see them? or muller?
Come on! Do you think people can just look at the president’s tax returns and release info and nobody will be able to find out who did it?
Have we ever had an identical twin run for President?isn't that close to the plot line of the movie Dave
Could create shenanigans!!
I just read last month a longform retrospective on the film Dave which seems like a really asinine thing for someone to have written a longform article about but then again I was the one reading it so something something glass houses, stones, Leelee Sobieski.Have we ever had an identical twin run for President?isn't that close to the plot line of the movie Dave
Could create shenanigans!!
As far as the media question - I have a love-hate relationship with the media. I consume vast quantities of it, but much of it I find flawed and rapidly getting worse. I don't think I have ever seen Fox News. I like facts, stripped of biases. Fox News is obviously not that. But nobody else is anymore. I have read the New York Times daily since I was a kid. It used to be a great paper. They were always left-leaning, but they kept that part to the op-ed pages. They dealt with a lot of hard news and had great cultural coverage as well and largely succeeded in keeping the general news operation as bias-free as possible. Today, the entire paper is wildly left-leaning. Like the Washington Post, business concerns pushed them to make a conscious decision to abandon generalism and gear the paper toward its base - A very liberal and cosmopolitan readership. I've been thinking of canceling my subscription for years, but just can't do it after it being a daily touchstone for 40+ years. But the NY Times is regularly awful now.
Like I said, I have a love-hate relationship with the media. I still love it enough that I gorge on it, but I really hate it because I feel like there are no high quality generalist news sources left. 20 years ago (maybe even more recently) I felt like reading the New York Times gave me an excellent, largely bias-free handle on what's going on in the world. Back then, even the Washington Post was half decent (emphasis on "half"). Today, I don't feel like there are any truly non-biased sources left out there.
Stacey Abrams | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)
What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?To be honest, no clue...this was the blurb
Stacey Abrams | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)
What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?
Stacey Abrams | LEAD FROM THE OUTSIDE
4/9
At UDC (presented by politics and prose)
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)
What has she done, other than lost a rigged governor's race?
if only we had some sort of a mechanism by which we could submit a person's name, and this mechanism would do some sort of a "search" for us, and then display a bunch of potential answers... maybe even ideally sorted by relevancy... one can only dream.
This may be bs but on msnbc reporting Biden is considering making Abrams his VP when he announcescould have sworn that was mentioned in this thread before
Stacey Abrams
--hasn't announce yet if she's running...but I heard that Biden was hinting a running mate already (before he even announced)
Did you guys vote yet?Doesn't post in 3 years....and this is the first foray back
The gay guy. Who speaks multiple languages, and everyone thinks is so, adorable.I guess it speaks to our 'wokeness' but I think I had already read a few articles and news stories about Buttigieg
He wins. His name is funny too, for being gay. He, so wins.
The gay guy. Who speaks multiple languages, and everyone thinks is so, adorable.I guess it speaks to our 'wokeness' but I think I had already read a few articles and news stories about Buttigieg
He wins. His name is funny too, for being gay. He, so wins.
and then in one article it just said his husband blah blah blah...
It was shocking in the sense that I'd already heard a lot about him and that wasn't the headline and the only thing people were talking about (now I'm sure your news sources are slightly different)
but I'm glad that people can talk about him, his experience and his policies ....and not lead with they gay mayor from S. Bend (and has Butt in his difficult to pronounce name)
yea people for being mature
better than fucking BetoI think there are a lot of men and women would would like to be fucking beto...
Buttigieg is way dreamier, IMO.I'm not saying a 3-way is off the table either...but we're really getting off topic
^ unfortunately that just feeds trump's "democrats are anti-semites" narrative.
EDIT: and also its good as hellwait...I thought jews don't believe in Hell? (said by a JINO...jew in name only)
^ unfortunately that just feeds trump's "democrats are anti-semites" narrative.exactly my point...what is the irony of it Jews overwhelmingly vote for Democratic Presidential candidates
Should we create a rule that you're not allowed to talk about Jexodus without posting a photo of Elizabeth Pipko in her lingerie, since that's all the attention she wanted anyway?
so i image-searched "Elizabeth Pipko lingerie". my day got better.I was coming back here to thanks Smakie for that too
so i image-searched "Elizabeth Pipko lingerie". my day got better.I was coming back here to thanks Smakie for that too
i had no idea "jexodus" was a widely used term, and i had no idea who Elizabeth Pipko was.
Fugazi Captialism...I gotta imagine Ian groaned when he read that
TIL
MacKaye’s personal philosophy of not drinking alcohol or taking drugs – inspired, ironically enough, by right-wing rocker Ted Nugent’s own abstentions
Wow, I dropped the nuge twice in one day...
I honestly didn't think anything would ever be worse than "Pokemon go to the polls" but this motherfucker did it!A wild incumbent appears!
I honestly didn't think anything would ever be worse than "Pokemon go to the polls"no man, nothing could be worse than that...while I voted for Hill...that comment alone made her unfit to be president
Comey ensured Trump won.....Mueller got him re-elected
So much for the “deep state”
Right blame the “liberal media”
I just don’t agree at all with you...
This is a guy who does LITERAL financial crimes in front of us, has a history of doing actual financial crimes in the past, is an admitted sex pervert, backs almost exclusively polices that are unpopular by the vast majority of this country, and has no problem propping up actual nazis and white supremacists, and the media decides to focus on the hail mary that this insane dipshit who isn't clever enough to not tweet every thought that runs through his dying brain is somehow a Russian agent? Ok!Look, I hate Hutch as much as the next person, but, at most, only 80% of that is true about him.
This is a guy who does LITERAL financial crimes in front of us, has a history of doing actual financial crimes in the past, is an admitted sex pervert, backs almost exclusively polices that are unpopular by the vast majority of this country, and has no problem propping up actual nazis and white supremacists, and the media decides to focus on the hail mary that this insane dipshit who isn't clever enough to not tweet every thought that runs through his dying brain is somehow a Russian agent? Ok!Look, I hate Hutch as much as the next person, but, at most, only 80% of that is true about him.
I've been away for a while...did he take an alt-right turn?
If I can ask...what do you "love" about Buttigieg and Beto? Like, what specific policies or stances do those guys have that you love? My gut is that people generally just like how those guys make them feel inside, but maybe I'm wrong? I don't really know about Buttigieg Boys or Beto Brahs to ask, but that's the vibe i get from Facebook.
It just seems weird to me to put Warren ("a ton of serious policy proposals") and Sanders ("would try to do things I love") in the same sentence if that's the case. Maybe it's not and those guys have really good policies that people love that I don't know about. I'm dumb!
you still think policy positions win presidential elections? how quaint.
I guess if you are going to be “the party of healthcare,” you should probably put someone who is already good a medicare fraud to head it up
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.This would've maybe been passable funny if you named him Mayor Butt-Plug, playing off the hyphenated last name stereotype. Maybe.
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.
lord only knows what kind of pics they're going to unearth of Mayor Buttplug.
Is he known to have had a checkered past? Or is the thought here that because he's gay, there must have scandalous pix?
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.
Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.
And as a Kinsey 3 who has played for both teams, I can say from experience that the gays are far more perverted on average than the straights. Not that that's a bad thing.
P.S. Nothing wrong with a good buttplug either.
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.
Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug.I mean, would you really want to put money on that?
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.
Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.
And as a Kinsey 3 who has played for both teams, I can say from experience that the gays are far more perverted on average than the straights. Not that that's a bad thing.
P.S. Nothing wrong with a good buttplug either.
dude . . . men are the fucking perverts in all equations. speak, the fucking truth.
guuurrrlll
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.
Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.
So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.
Yes, you're right, I am the one to blame for you denigrating somebody as Mayor Buttplug because he's gay. I am certain that if Kamala Harris' last name was Buttigieg, you would have called her Queen Buttplug.
Except that lol no of course you wouldn't. But you go ahead and attack me for what you said, sweetie. That's a nice boy.
I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile.
I still maintain the buttplug joke is funnier if its hyphenated but this is apparently my mountain to die upon alone.
He is still a little green but I like him
I like them all except one or two and they would all be better than Trump
I just think Biden has a better chance to beat Trump than a thirty something Mayor from South Bend etc...I mean decades of experience as a Senator and being VP for 8 years should be a plus...it is for me....but it seems a lot of the Democratic Party would rather have a socialist or a minor local Texas pol
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.
Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.
So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.
I have an answer to this one finally. I've been a champion of gay rights for 30+ years, arguing in favor of gay marriage and equal rights long before Tulsi Gabbard or Barack Obama were gay-friendly.. As a single person, i led a free spirited life where gender lines were blurred. I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile. I would call him that no matter what his gender or sexual preferences were. If anything, my using it proves I have a Beavis and Buttplug juvenile mentality, which i understand doesn't appeal to some adults. But for you to say it's "homophobic" for anybody to say it just shows that you're one of those politically correct idiots who are unable to see anything any way other than via your lazily defined black and white rules. In that respect, you're no different than a fundamentalist religious idiot.
I would also argue that it would be worse if Trump said it compared to me saying it, because the POTUS should be held to higher standards when it comes to juvenile behavior than some guy on an internet message board.
TL;DR: we're all jerks.
TL;DR: we're all jerks.
That was a pretty good post, but to end with we're all jerks is kind of like Trump saying there were some very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Space did his homophobic asshole schtick and I called him out on it. He responded by saying that I'm being a politically correct idiot and a fundamentalist religious idiot, which is exactly what Trump would say. So the lesson from Space is, "when I'm making my hilarious homophobic or racist jokes, you're being a fragile snowflake if it bothers you and here's my progressive resume that I'll dick-wave around."
But yeah, we're both to blame here. I'll be a SJW and Space can be a toxic piece of shit. And I doubt anybody would argue with that.
Ilhan Omar got in trouble for implying that US support of Israel is directly related to the influence of jewish money.as with much things...this is nuanced
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything
i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".
I am so clueless...without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything
i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".
this graph says a lot...
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Well as far as I know his band Foss put out one tape and two 45s and both are long unavailable and impossible to find so not sure what you speak of...
Going to meet Beto on Tuesday. What album is funniest if I ask him to autograph?
Sure, Beto claims to be a punk, but Spoon just shared a video of Buttigieg playing "The Way We Get By" on piano
https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856 (https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856)
Sure, Beto claims to be a punk, but Spoon just shared a video of Buttigieg playing "The Way We Get By" on piano
https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856 (https://twitter.com/spoontheband/status/1116777247996665856)
Mayor Pete Buttigieg Impressed the Hell Out of Ben Folds During a Duet in 2015 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27023806/mayor-pete-buttigieg-ben-folds-south-bend-piano-video-interview/)
Buttigieg Performed With the South Bend Symphony Orchestra in 2013 (https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/pete-buttigieg-piano/) (scroll down past the ben folds story)
apparently he plays guitar too. overall has more music cred than beto, IMO.
you guys are leaving out Hickenlooper....jams with bobby weir and others
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/coloradopolitics.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/66/d66ecf29-5de4-582a-887f-a954b6c1e10f/5b9aab8440bd8.image.jpg?resize=750%2C500)
that's the guy from The Fray
here we go
(https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/9959639w/99db6baa/summit-la18-los-angeles-usa-shutterstock-editorial-9959639w.jpg)
Beto backlash has set in now that he is not running against Cruz
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.yikes...that's a major blemish that I never knew about
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.yikes...that's a major blemish that I never knew about
he is a senator from Vermont...I bet he loves ben and jerry's too
Also as a #BernieBro even I find him calling Phish "one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country" is pretty close to disqualifying.
Can't believe folks would love a guy running against the most loathsome toad in America, and then not be as enamored when he actually had to make a case for himself against actual, qualified candidates!Beto backlash has set in now that he is not running against Cruz
.Personally I think we could not go about the process of electing a president more wrong...I co-sign that!
It should be regulated and take three months with a single day primary...
be nice to see a state other than Iowa, Kansas, NH or SC dominate the first few primaries. Those states represent such a skewed profile of the USA it's kind of absurd
even more absurd...be nice to see a state other than Iowa, Kansas, NH or SC dominate the first few primaries. Those states represent such a skewed profile of the USA it's kind of absurd
don't states like Iowa and NH have "we must be first" in their state constitutions? so if another state moves before them, they'll just move theirs accordingly to remain first... i could be wrong tho.
so i searched around and couldn't find it, but previously we discussed the possibility of "tapes" of Booty-Judge popping up and ruining his chances... well, some tapes have surfaced - but they aren't what you'd expect:
Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise)
i don't fully understand this story... sounds like he's peripheral and this won't actually touch him?
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.
Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)
so i searched around and couldn't find it, but previously we discussed the possibility of "tapes" of Booty-Judge popping up and ruining his chances... well, some tapes have surfaced - but they aren't what you'd expect:
Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise)
i don't fully understand this story... sounds like he's peripheral and this won't actually touch him?
So peripheral that i couldn't follow it. But it's Spring Break and I've had a few more than 8 ounces.
it's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.
Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)
I had a dream of beato putting a half-pipe in the rose garden
and Hickenlooper might put one of these (https://cdn.instructables.com/FYJ/26VS/G79DOS5U/FYJ26VSG79DOS5U.LARGE.jpg) in the lincoln bedroom
and Bill Weld is going to try to take trump out in the primaries...bold, but up hill with 80% approval by republicans
maybe ...but I'm not signing any freaking form for the GOPit's been long time coming, but it's finally here: a contribution to this thread from the other side.
Bill Weld officially announces he is challenging Trump for GOP nomination in 2020 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html)
I'll register as a Republican and try to primary Trump if you guys will.
ok...funny foot note in an article about his 10 years of taxes
Sanders last year made $110 in music royalties, presumably for his 1987 folk album, "We Shall Overcome"
Hutch, do you have that on Vinyl? (actually, you probably would have burned it if you did)
Hate to discourage participation on this board as it's been getting dismal at times...
but, this was mentioned a few weeks back
and you of all people I thought would have noticed a post with a sexy mash tun with wood sidesI had a dream of beato putting a half-pipe in the rose garden
and Hickenlooper might put one of these (https://cdn.instructables.com/FYJ/26VS/G79DOS5U/FYJ26VSG79DOS5U.LARGE.jpg) in the lincoln bedroom
and Bill Weld is going to try to take trump out in the primaries...bold, but up hill with 80% approval by republicans
However, state law allows a political party to request that voters sign a pledge or statement of party affiliation before casting primary ballots.
yesterday bill weld made it official. there is a difference between saying you're going to do something, and actually throwing your hat in the ring. besides, the sexiness of that MT ensured that few people made it past the image and down to your BW statement/conjecture.I stand corrected...I thought it was official on feb 15th...but it was official that an exploratory committee would be started....4/15 it was officially announced he was running
If ever we needed Julian For The Future, it’s now.dude....Julian, your fundraising sucks balls...look at these others are crushing you and you have the name recognition
I hate focusing on fundraisingI agree...was more of a dig on Jules than anything substantive
Who cares?
I hate focusing on fundraising
Who cares?
Hillary raised way more than Trump
Howard Dean outraised everyone as did Bernie Sanders
It’s just a game political consultants and political media people play to profit and the joke is on you
karl rove is a Bernie Bro (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-trump-2020-karl-rove)
always suspicious when the opposition team tells you who would be the best candidate
But I don't see much here about wanting Bernie to win...you don't have to want him to win to be a Bernie Bro...get with the times man
..never heard of him...I've always detested this response from the cheeto and it's a common refrain (that his base eats up)
heck...why stop at felons who did their time from voting...
Bernie Sanders: Felons should be able to vote while in prison
My rep Beyer endorses Mayor PeteI was a little surprised by this early announcement too
Also...it's easy to impersonate Don...how are you going to impersonate Joe?
aaaaand the Dems have started eating their own:
Warren and Sanders pounce as Biden enters the race (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/warren-sanders-biden/index.html)
in their defense, they did give him a whole day...
aaaaand the Dems have started eating their own:
Warren and Sanders pounce as Biden enters the race (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/warren-sanders-biden/index.html)
in their defense, they did give him a whole day...
could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag
more dirt on this dirtbag.could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag
"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll. He was formerly an online blogger and a columnist for the website The Gateway Pundit. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)"
lol.
as if Fairfax had a good name.it does not...
more dirt on this dirtbag.could Jacob Wohl guy be any more of a dirtbag
"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll. He was formerly an online blogger and a columnist for the website The Gateway Pundit. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)"
lol.
‘Make Sh*t Up’: Inside Jacob Wohl’s Bonkers Investment Plan - The bumbling political operative pitched investors on a scheme to use fake news stories to manipulate political betting markets for profit. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-business-plan-make-shit-up-to-game-political-betting-sites)
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close
I think I mentioned this as my pick 10 pages back but this guy Hutch told me to shut my trap.
Wait, are we giving out cookies?
Wait, are we giving out cookies?
little off brand man, did you forget to sign in as ratbastardWait, are we giving out cookies?Fucking snowflakes.
I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already
the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance. We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote. I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.
So if the economy is not doing well for the Trump Voter, who is it doing well for? And who is the "Trump Voter?"I'll assume your response was rhetorical
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already
the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance. We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote. I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break
Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
And if you think voters will look at a growing economy and increasing take home pay and say “Yeah now is the time to try socialism...look at how well it worked in Venezuela” you are nuts
honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)
I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade
hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or breakSo you cherry picked there...as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck
Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
Quotehonestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)
I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade
hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chancesThat just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or breakSo you cherry picked there...as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck
Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom...when you put it like that. But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day...do you think they'd be excited?
These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all...typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet
I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs. it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget
But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire.that I agree with
I am sure many lower income people have higher income even after rising health care costs...Americans have gotten $0.01 more in bonuses since Trump's tax cuts (https://www.axios.com/trump-tax-cuts-american-workers-bonuses-da262033-9c22-4243-9360-4b8fbf91ca58.html)
exemplary presidency
Fake news?works for Trump...but his base believes everything he says
I may have to retire from this boarddang joe...can't take the heat, not sure you're a good fit for the job
I may have to retire from this board
But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire.
I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going onIts a real problem. As a compromise in the Julian's America Senate, we had to agree to annex Texas Oil Money to offset our annexation of the Maldives. The Eurocentric portion of JA was worried Asia was getting too large of a voting block.
I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going onIts a real problem. As a compromise in the Julian's America Senate, we had to agree to annex Texas Oil Money to offset our annexation of the Maldives. The Eurocentric portion of JA was worried Asia was getting too large of a voting block.
Joe...the right can't seem to stop talking about Huntergood news joe.
...and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china....what say you about these allegations
I just got to say man that spreading far right conspiracy theory talking points in the first place is not a good look for youthis Ukraine thing 'appeared' to have some legs at first glance
Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary
I think like 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump vs. like 24% of HRC voters that voted for McCain instead of Obama and he still fucking won!Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary
I think like 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump vs. like 24% of HRC voters that voted for McCain instead of Obama and he still fucking won!Have we learned nothing from the Bernie supporters that on the last go around told us Hillary and Trump were the same? How did that turn out? Just look at the Supreme Court justices that would have been liberal and think about how different America will be because of all the bullshit Bernie and his people peddled about Hillary
24% of Hillary supporters voted for McCain rather than Obama?
I call bullshit.
boring post that's too long and boring
but how many times did we hear they were the same before the presidential election?Let's get this out of the way ...ZERO people on the board felt that way in November of 2016 (I can't speak for NKOTB)
I am bored but I don’t understand the desire to blame Hillary for her loss...it was her race to lose, that voters were swayed by comey or bernie, maybe, but her campaign should have tried harder...I don't know what the solution was...but she spent $1.2 Billion (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/) (and yes I will conced, she probably would have had closer to 1.5 bill if sanders had dropped out in February...but that's not what happened)
but ran a terrible campaignI never said that, but proof is in the pudding
she lost in a huge upset cause the TV talking Heads told you she was winning and you assumed she wouldThis I think is the crux of my argument...people thought she would win, so the didn't feel the need to put the jacket on and wait in line, what's the point, she's a shoo in
I am sorry but you have just bought into conventional idiocy...why does it always have to end up with and insult to the other person
Let's get this out of the way ...ZERO people on the board felt that way in November of 2016 (I can't speak for NKOTB)
I am bored but I don’t understand the desire to blame Hillary for her loss...blame the voters or Comey but she did her part...trouncing Trump in the debates...running a fairly tight campaign with many fewer mistakes than trump’s which was a shit show...he went through like 3 campaign managers...and then when Comey reopens the investigation the polls shifted and she knew it which is why she closed in PA
She lost by very few votes and won the popular vote by three million
the fact that she's tied to Bill's bad record, etc.Bill Clinton had the best Presidency of my lifetime and top 3-5 all time. He literally teabags Obama by every measure except how he made millennials feel as he passed virtually none of his agenda.
Bill Clinton had the best Presidency of my lifetime and top 3-5 all time.well I guess there is room on Mt Rushmore then...that's a bit hyperbolic IMO
He literally teabags Obama by every measure except how he made millennials feel as he passed virtually none of his agenda.I really don't know if the first part is true, but don't have the facts to back my argument
Still, I do genuinely think ... in the long run she'd wind up being worse.dude, please pass that joint, because you are high as shit if you believe that...definitely helping Hutch's case with that argument
But if we had another 4 years of bloodless corporate liberalism, I really think that whatever came AFTER would be way worse than Trump.
Still, I do genuinely think ... in the long run she'd wind up being worse.dude, please pass that joint, but you are high as shit if you believe that...definitely helping Hutch's case with that argument
But if we had another 4 years of bloodless corporate liberalism, I really think that whatever came AFTER would be way worse than Trump.
This worries me. ... but there is certainly a lot of testing the waters shit going down. How much will people take?I really don't think that anyone in the Dem heirichy is thinking of using Trump's facist model...so not sure where you are going with that
There was outrageumm...isn't this what 2020 is all about. I'm coming to the opinion that protesting in the streets doesn't do crap. Problem is now there are SOO many things we're up in arms about their could be a protest every day and we'd still be missing things that are getting destroyed by team trump
we're disgusted
no one is storming the gates.
it's still happening.
People are going to be more and more willing to accept fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" if they're not given a better alternative, and I don't think HRC and her ilk are that.So again...you are pretty much sealing Hutch's case here and I cannot back your stance on this
So again...you are pretty much sealing Hutch's case here and I cannot back your stance on this
Just because the GOP has been overtaken by Team Trump...doesn't mean that any Democrat...including Biden, has any intention on going the fascist route
are any of the 21 candidates doing fascist scaremongering and demonization of "others" (well we do need to get better about complaining about the Trump Voter...as that's not going to help our case...see the deplorables incident)
they'll be more and more willing to accept classism, racism, xenophobia to win over these mythical Republicans on the fence about Trump.this statement...
Booty-Judge
(it's from Dan Savage's site)
they'll be more and more willing to accept classism, racism, xenophobia to win over these mythical Republicans on the fence about Trump.this statement...
I don't think any candidate is running on "classism, racism, xenophobia"
even remotely
but the GOP is....so if they American voter likes those things...well then we are screwed
also, I don't think we'll ever get Republicans (unless this whole presidency goes down Nixon style)...but it's the independent voter is the vote we want.
full on Republicans and those who lean...don't even make up 40% of the poulation
we need to reach out to those people and not worry about getting the Trump voter to turn based on some bombshell news story
(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/03/PP_2019.03.14_Independents_0-01-1.png)
there are maybe like 3 actual Never Trump Republicans out there in total.lets be clear...these are elected officials who will do anything to keep their job...not voters
Get those unmotivated voters and independents...I mean, those are the folks that came out for Obama's "hope and change" and then bailed when it turned out to not be true.So we are now smearing BO's time in office too, yikes
^so again with the pointing guns at your own team....but I'm starting to think you are on the 'destroy the Democratic party team'
staff on campaigns are historically underpaid (if paid at all) and overworked...and I don't have a problem with that
totally disagree and equating kids in factories to campaign staffers is insanestaff on campaigns are historically underpaid (if paid at all) and overworked...and I don't have a problem with that
Well, historically kids could work in factories, but that was a bummer and people changed it. I can't really accept that staffers get underpaid or not paid at all. That's garbage and if a candidate does it, I think it speaks volumes to their actual beliefs.
there are maybe like 3 actual Never Trump Republicans out there in total.lets be clear...these are elected officials who will do anything to keep their job...not voters
elected officials are voters, too. a vote is a vote.
So Goul-iani is making a special trip to the Ukraine to 'get to the bottom of this'Joe...the right can't seem to stop talking about Huntergood news joe.
...and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china....what say you about these allegations
Ukrainian official knocks down Biden conflict scandal promoted by Rudy Giuliani (https://www.axios.com/ukraine-biden-rudy-giuliani-new-york-times-3e655e72-5612-46eb-92db-040b9e2ec43a.html)
I love how trump was spinning this
Trump himself said on Fox News: "Sure, I’m hearing it’s a major scandal, major problem. I hope for him it is fake news. I don’t think it is."
the Ukraine
Ukraine is game to you!?I was getting ready to put the gif of them on the train playing risk
TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/). it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".
that The Sidehätch to you buddy!TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/). it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".
Off to The Siberia for Sidehatch....
TAN: usually i have my lawyer take care of these things, but i believe he's out today so: please don't call it "The Ukraine" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/25/ukraine-or-the-ukraine-its-more-controversial-than-you-think/). it's just "Ukraine (http://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/)".
Off to The Siberia for Sidehatch....
i have no further comment at this time.
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
I sure hope I can pull that off that kind of wipe out and recovery when I'm 66
https://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/1126953461160001537
This is what the 66 yr old is in ref toohttps://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/1126953461160001537
DEMOCRATS>>>FOCUS ON GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT>>>these voters want what you are proposing...just not from you?!
from Axios (https://www.axios.com/focus-group-trump-supporters-like-liberal-proposals-but-still-love-trump-66518863-c821-49ea-bab5-226c0b013de1.html)...
Some of President Trump's supporters in Sioux City, Iowa love liberal populist proposals. They just don't love the 2020 Democrats as the messengers.
A focus group of swing voters — all of whom voted for Trump in 2016 — strongly supported a student loan debt plan that would cancel up to $50,000 in student debt for people whose families make less than $100,000 per year.
They also want to tax American corporations, specifically big banks, to pay for Trump's infrastructure plans.
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.
suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is, given that the voters were skeptical of the entire Democratic field.
Taxing big banks was the most popular idea to pay for infrastructure, beating out an increase in the federal gas tax or borrowing money from other countries.
They're not excited about any of the 2020 Democrats running for president, and they only really recognized Warren, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.
The economy was the issue that came up the most ... no one said they've seen an increase in their own wages or financial situation.
as I said, the numbers in the news makes it sound like everyone is livin' the high life now that trump fixed the economy...but most low/middle class Americans are not reaping the benefits of this great economy (but the billionaires and corps certainly are)
Unfortunately, we get what they deserve too.tru dat! {deleted}
Unfortunately, we get what they deserve too.
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.
suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.
suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,
so they're saying they're not ready for a female president?
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.
But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.
Beto is still in the alliterative mix.But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.
Though it does seem like we've lost sight of Cory and O'Rourke.
Beto is still in the alliterative mix.But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.We can see all the way to Buttigieg. We're single letter voters.
Though it does seem like we've lost sight of Cory and O'Rourke.
All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.
suggests that Warren's own policies are more popular with these voters than she is,
so they're saying they're not ready for a female president?
Let's face it. There have been three tickets with women on them and they all lost. I think Nikki Haley has a better chance of being the first female president than any Democrat women.
I like this guy. But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html)
the thing about Montana Gov. Steve Bullock ...is he is a Democrat gov that won in a red state the same election that Trump won....so there is a draw to find someone who can pull in the redish vote and still be a demI like this guy. But of course people at this point can't see beyond Bernie and Biden.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/steve-bullock-president-2020/index.html)
i had never heard of this guy before this morning. i fear that he's DOA (even if his name starts with a B).
Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name
there is already a logo out thereNot sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name
that's woke AF, brah. fight the power.
But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name
that's woke AF, brah. fight the power.
does it count if she works the merch table?But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name
that's woke AF, brah. fight the power.
Depends — is she being paid a living wage and do her benefits comply with the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act? What is the written procedure for reporting harassment claims at the merch table? #VirtueSignallingdoes it count if she works the merch table?But, Sidehatch, will you see a band without a cis-female member?Not sure I can stick to it, but my new stance is I won't vote for the dominate "B" majority and plan on supporting anyone who does not have a B in their name
that's woke AF, brah. fight the power.
Ok this is getting complicated....since bands are essentially homeless (living out of their van) and not even a resident of a state...how do you determine a 'living wage'does it count if she works the merch table?Depends — is she being paid a living wage and do her benefits comply with the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act? What is the written procedure for reporting harassment claims at the merch table? #VirtueSignalling
beth...come on now...you got to reach out to those who are not aware of your message. Huffpost won't win ya the primaries
Elizabeth Warren rejects Fox News town hall invite, slams network's 'hate-for-profit' model (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html)
I disagree...I think its essential to go on fox. It allows the candidate to set the narrative and not fox
anchors. If they can't take the heat from Fox...then get out of the funkin' kitchen
Bernie made Fox look kind of stupid when most of the studio audience agreed with him
There are a lot of people that live in 'Trump/fox' households where Fox is on 24/7 and they hear all that crap all day long, I hope that just a small sliver of those people (who don't control the remote) see what the dems are really saying and not how fox spins it
Who knows, maybe a waste of time...but it's free press, jez how could you turn that up
Now if it was the Daily Stormer or ISIS-TV...I'd recommend avoiding
Unless the candidate condemns abortion as baby-killing, nothing else they say matters.this is appearing to be THE wedge issue in the south right now
The China move sealed it for TrumpI think the china move may be a short term disaster on the economy...but I only play an economist on the internet...
I doubt it....
But regardless surely you see how he has given his base every single thing he promised?
He is the first modern US President to actually take on China on trade.
Why would someone who voted for Trump in 2016 not vote for him in 2020?
Think about it
The China move sealed it for Trump
Polls are a joke
new rule: if any more Dems announce their candidacy, they have to play "yakety sax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ)" while climbing out of a clown car.yes that is the proper name of that song...but I think we can all agree that it's the 'Benny Hill Theme song' and give the show/man some props to making this song a part of the cannon of modern music ;)
I asked my wife what she though about Warren not going on Fox and she said "She should do it. Bernie did it."
Doesn't Warren run the risk of being HRC 2.0 by snubbing "the deplorables?"
Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...So you make a good point on this
I asked my wife what she though about Warren not going on Fox and she said "She should do it. Bernie did it."
Doesn't Warren run the risk of being HRC 2.0 by snubbing "the deplorables?"
Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...
Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...So you make a good point on this
but I kinda feel like we also need to act a little like we are in the general and not drive so hard to sell to our base, but appeal to those on the outside edge of the base that might consider selecting D in nov 2020
(because everyone is paying attention to the dems even if they are not planning on voting for them)
I think there are a lot of people who have been voting republican against their own interest and just sucked in by the culture war
Maybe if we try to rise above the culture war (HA!) and part of this election should be to gently show them that we are looking out for them
Huh? We are at the primaries not general stage...So you make a good point on this
but I kinda feel like we also need to act a little like we are in the general and not drive so hard to sell to our base, but appeal to those on the outside edge of the base that might consider selecting D in nov 2020
(because everyone is paying attention to the dems even if they are not planning on voting for them)
I think there are a lot of people who have been voting republican against their own interest and just sucked in by the culture war
Maybe if we try to rise above the culture war (HA!) and part of this election should be to gently show them that we are looking out for them
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk
“Biden Dirty” needs to become a thing. I don’t know what that thing is — a never-Biden cry by the progressive wing, an urban get-out-The-vote campaign by Biden’s team, something else entire — but someone needs to grab this an run with it.
...voter turnout has always been THE issue (to me)
good to see astronaut Mark Kelly may make AZ 2-D state!I knew he was Gabby Gifford's husband (this is in fact the only reason I was aware who he was pre-running for office) but was unaware he was Scott Kelly's bro. I am also unaware who Scott Kelly is. (I mean, obviously aside from him being Mark Kelly's bro.)
Knew he was Scott Kelly's bro...but had no idea he was married to Gabby Giffords
I am also unaware who Scott Kelly is.In 2015, he set the record for the single longest space mission (342 days) by an American* astronaut
So he's a dude who came in second. Wishing better for his bro, Mark, husband of Gabby, first of his name.
Surprised to see Julian in the top 10FOR THE FUTURE gets closer every day.
The DNC announced on Wednesday that it would double the requirements for candidates to reach the 2020 debate stage in September
After the first round of June and July debates, candidates will need to obtain 2% support in four approved polls over the summer and obtain contributions from at least 130,000 donors before Aug. 28 to qualify for the second debate round.
I noticed Gillibrand may not make it to the June stage...not sure what other big players might get dropped by a technical foul
Isn't the real headline out of this that Gillibrand isn't really a big player? You cannot you be a big player if you cannot get support and raise money.I 100% agree...she looked like a contender early on when there were only 5 people running
Isn't the real headline out of this that Gillibrand isn't really a big player? You cannot you be a big player if you cannot get support and raise money.I 100% agree...she looked like a contender early on when there were only 5 people running
heck I think Gravel has more support
Was never a big fan to begin with
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done.Would like to hear more about this...
I wholeheartedly agree with gavroche and would love to see Julian name her his VP nominee (for the future).I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done.Would like to hear more about this...
I wholeheartedly agree with gavroche and would love to see Julian name her his VP nominee (for the future).I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done.Would like to hear more about this...
Until you said it that way and I did more research...I kind of agreeThis is why I dislike her, she's a longterm moderate who decided to tack left but it just hasn't felt natural for her.I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done.Would like to hear more about this...
We cannot have any tolerance for sexual harassment. Mock groping a sleeping woman, even as a joke, is not ok and there were pictures.So I don't know what the middle ground is here. I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
The long term moral erosion from keeping him was too high. Minor harassment cannot be excusedI don't think it should be excused, but not sure the punishment fits the crime
I think the Northam Virginia thing .... The Dems will keep the Governorship in the short term, but I think it is going to have long term corrosive impact for the whole party, and hurt their chances of taking back the VA House and Senate.I don't know if I agree with this...although not sure
Until you said it that way and I did more research...I kind of agreeThis is why I dislike her, she's a longterm moderate who decided to tack left but it just hasn't felt natural for her.I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done.Would like to hear more about this...
when I saw she got an A from the NRA was about all I needed to knowQuoteWe cannot have any tolerance for sexual harassment. Mock groping a sleeping woman, even as a joke, is not ok and there were pictures.So I don't know what the middle ground is here. I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I assume that your stance is there is no reconciliation for past bad behavior
I too struggle with this, but I felt his 'crimes' were pretty low level...but still offensive none the less...QuoteThe long term moral erosion from keeping him was too high. Minor harassment cannot be excusedI don't think it should be excused, but not sure the punishment fits the crime
but you do have to take a stand at some point and say harassment is harassment and it has to stop.QuoteI think the Northam Virginia thing .... The Dems will keep the Governorship in the short term, but I think it is going to have long term corrosive impact for the whole party, and hurt their chances of taking back the VA House and Senate.I don't know if I agree with this...although not sure
I really didn't think he'd survive that and he's out there getting shit done
stuff I'm glad he's there doing
"signs law to remove autism health coverage age cap"
"Northam vetoed a bill that would have allowed the General Assembly to redraw legislative districts, apart from the redistricting process in the year following the census."
I'm hoping to see one where he gets his pledge to make community college free for VA residents too
The good thing for him is that VA is a one term Governorship...so he won't have to run for reelection
Will it hurt the Dems chances to take the house...I'm not sure
I think he has had a very documented history of doing things for the African American community and I think they will remember that
He definitely fumbled the response, but I'm glad he didn't resign
Just means he's going to have to do a lot more for the AA community and that's not a bad thing
I really don’t get the point of targeting Fox watchersUpcoming Dem candidates on Fox town halls....little last gasp-y
First of all it’s rather weak and pathetic...target them in the presidential debates or anywhere else...Fox is the enemy period...the sooner we get that the better
You make my point...only weak candidatesthat was part of my point
Huh? Bern is getting clobberedhe's still #2 by a long shot...with 22 people eating lots of his dust
In somewhat good newsLooks like I was being optimistic that a Dem gov would sign this :(
...looks like Nevada is just a signature away from adding it's 6 votes to the National Popular Vote interstate compact
and Felons...although he did give 70k felons the right to vote in the same day!
...Fox is the enemy period...the sooner we get that the betterNice one slate!
So I don't know what the middle ground is here. I just get concerned of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I assume that your stance is there is no reconciliation for past bad behavior
I too struggle with this, but I felt his 'crimes' were pretty low level...but still offensive none the less...
Will it hurt the Dems chances to take the house...I'm not sure
I think he has had a very documented history of doing things for the African American community and I think they will remember that
Who would Beto lose to this time?John Cornyn
Who would Beto lose to this time?John Cornyn
And he did lose, but was a nail biter for a state that is DEEP Red
Ted Cruz 4,260,553 50.89%
Beto O'Rourke 4,045,632 48.33%
200k in 8mill is pretty close
now he's got the name recognition too
So I think he has a better chance at being a senator than being the next Dem
Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.
Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.
He did raise a Significant amount of money from outside of texas (like $25Mil)
My mom (FL/NY) and I know an number of people here in the DC are who supported his senate run
Now mostly because they hate Cruz, but he's got the kind of charisma we need in a presidential candidate
But I think he should WIN a senate seat first or Govnership...then run in 2028 or 2032
(he's all style and zero substance IMO),It worked for Barack Obama.
sounds like we agree....
(he's all style and zero substance IMO),It worked for Barack Obama.
Beto isn't really my cup of tea (he's all style and zero substance IMO), but obviously I'd support him against Cruz. You couldn't ask for a better race to gain national attention...young, good-looking, punk rock-loving dude clearly ripping off Obama vs. loathsome melted gargoyle. It's not wonder everyone was invested in him.
But transitioning immediately from a loss to a presidential run seems like it would only hurt you long-term, where as staying local and winning would just build the brand.Yeah, it's staggering to me that Beto took this leap. I'm sure he had a lot of establishment folks in his ear about it (I think those Pod Save dip shits really backed him...their production company even produced that Running with Beto thing on HBO), but to blindly assume the momentum of running against a toad like Cruz would translate to a presidential run seems like such a bad miscalculation.
He did raise a Significant amount of money from outside of texas (like $25Mil)
My mom (FL/NY) and I know an number of people here in the DC are who supported his senate run
Now mostly because they hate Cruz, but he's got the kind of charisma we need in a presidential candidate
But I think he should WIN a senate seat first or Govnership...then run in 2028 or 2032
Problem for Beto is that he is from Texas and so he has nowhere local to go. The Ted Cruz race was his best chance to win statewide. Everyone hates Ted Cruz (even his Republican colleagues). He raised a ton of money in 2018, but coming off a loss and in a Presidential race he's not going to get the same support. Plus the longer he's in government the more he gets defined and the more he angers people. I feel like his moment is now or never (and it just might be never).which is an easier win?
100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?
at least he's got a plan B if this politics thing doesn't work out100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?
Front a Ramones cover band while wearing a onesie and a sheep mask.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hV7h1DuotU
at least he's got a plan B if this politics thing doesn't work out100% agree with gavroche. What else is he going to do?
Front a Ramones cover band while wearing a onesie and a sheep mask.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hV7h1DuotU
Democrats have not won statewide in Texas in 25 years.[/i]
Are we catching up on our weekend Economist reading in this thread?I've become a full-on Axios junkie
Are we catching up on our weekend Economist reading in this thread?
The Senate, the Senate
Democrats running for president are selling plans to transform America (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/06/06/democrats-running-for-president-are-selling-plans-to-transform-america)
The Senate is likely to render them mere pipe-dreamsDemocrats have not won statewide in Texas in 25 years.[/i]
True. But they did pick up 2 state Senate seats and 12 seats in the State House in a midterm election where turnout generally favors Republicans.
My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.you are a very sense-itive person I see :)
my sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz.
My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.you are a very sense-itive person I see :)
my sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz.
although I want to believe different...you nailed it on #1
#2...hard to say. I really don't know how the avg Texan thinks of Cruz...sounds like they are split, but he had enough of a base to deliver the mid-term election.
I don't really know how anyone can like Cruz, but alas he has a deep base. Was #3 or 4 in the 2016 republican primary too
Cornyn....he seems like a texan's texan and will be hard to unseat that incumbent
but Beto proved he can turn out the vote, I think if he's on the ticket and can really energize Dems to come to the polls...could also be a game changer on who TX picks for pres....but I'm not holding my breath
Just found this from feb
Cornyn less popular than Cruz in Texas: poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/431645-cornyn-less-popular-than-cruz-in-texas-poll)
I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that
I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that
Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins
never heard that before, but sounds like what AI would do if it was asked to create a Nash-vegas song
Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins
I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.
And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.
Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins
I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.
And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.
Steve Bullock: "Small Town," John Mellencamp
Tulsi Gabbard: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough," Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
Tim Ryan: "Old Town Road," Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus
Elizabeth Warren: "9 to 5," Dolly Parton
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"
Funny I was going the other way of thinking and he should’ve done Patti Smith's people have the power
And of course Bernie picking the Lennon Power to the People says everything about him. If he'd picked Curtis Mayfield I think the signal would have been better (and yes, I realize this is Iowa)
I think you have been called out and I'm interested in your response.You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"Make your case.
I think you have been called out and I'm interested in your response.
Trump has convinced 40% of the country that his lies are true... so it's not inconceivable that you could change my mind about
"Old Town Road." Make your case.
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:
https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/
Trump has convinced 40% of the country that they don't need to care about his lies...
I get that and I'm impressed by the non-musical aspectIf this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:
https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/
I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article (https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/4/8/18299972/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-billy-ray-cyrus-remix-number-one-charts-country-rap) sums up most of my thoughts.
It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on. It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.
19 Democratic candidates visited the Iowa Democratic Party's Hall of Fame yesterday to deliver a five-minute campaign pitch to a throng of state party activists — and they hit the stage with a walk-out song of their own choosing,now this is a funny response...what songs should the candidates NOT come out to
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:
https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/
I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article (https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/4/8/18299972/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-billy-ray-cyrus-remix-number-one-charts-country-rap) sums up most of my thoughts.
It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on. It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.
I'm halfway through this podcast excontradiction, and loving it. Thanks for the share.
You're all welcome.so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks
I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6the last note in the article is required reading for those claiming to 'cure cancer'
I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6
Ok...we got Oregon...Maine is looking good...still a little pissed at NV Governor Steve SleestakGood news people....only 89 more electoral college votes to go to make this a reality
I'm really hoping https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ has some wins before 2020...
The National Popular Vote interstate compact would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
of course TX, FL, IA and OH aren't even considering this...but we can always hope
I know I'm voting to cure cancer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-cancer-cure-elected-president_n_5cfffb9de4b075510398e1d6
Wife: "Joe Biden needs to suck dick and go away, and let Bernie win."
Kid: "What? Joe Biden is gay?"
Wife: "Joe Biden needs to suck dick and go away, and let Bernie win."
so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks
Those who did not meet the threshold for the first debate include: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel; Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam; and Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.
June 26 lineup: Cory Booker, Julián Castro, John Delaney, Bill de Blasio, Tulsi Gabbard, Jay Inslee, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O’Rourke, Tim Ryan, Elizabeth Warren
June 27 lineup: Michael Bennet, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, John Hickenlooper, Bernie Sanders, Eric Swalwell, Marianne Williamson
Those who did not meet the threshold for the first debate include: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel; Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam; and Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.
Gotta admit that I'm deeply disappointed that Mike Gravel didn't make the stage: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/magazine/mike-gravel-teens-twitter-presidential-campaign.html
I'd trade in Swalwell any day (I still miss you "Pete" Stark)!
What network(s) is this going to be on and what time Aloha time? We don't normally have cable, but we might on vacation. That's assuming I can tear myself away from watching Steph Curry's new mini golf show.
Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO...and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing. It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.
Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO...and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing. It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.
Before the conspiracy theories start, it was by lottery and made certain that those with above 2% were equally distributed across the two nights with those with less. Representatives from all candidates were present.
I assume this is at Mitch...but don't know the details
here we go pointing our guns at each other
Hard to have been in the senate in the early 70s and not work with an outright racist in order to make compromises
My prediction is Joe is not long for this race
he has waaay too much baggage from a generation ago that the new left despises and are going to continue to point out every chance they or some dem-bro points out on twitter
I don't agree with Hutch that Joe is our only way to take PA/MI
I think plenty of these candidates can have support in the rust belt...just be wary of going too far left is my opnion
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.Why...wouldn't it just be better to appeal to the voters that you (insert candidate) are the right choice
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.Why...wouldn't it just be better to appeal to the voters that you (insert candidate) are the right choice
we don't have to play by the GOP playbook
I really think the Dem primary should be ranked choice
as a lot of people are convinced the 'safe bet' is biden and won't vote for who they really want
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.I'm glad Julian's America died after writing an article where I said if DFA1979 ever tried to cross the boarder into Julian's America, our guards would shoot him onside so that years later nkotb would have the wherewithal to clarify he doesn't actually want someone to assassinate Joe Biden.
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.
Yes! Fuck the DNC! The real enemy!
Definitely not that guy in the White House!
seriously this is my pointBut personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell...a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.
Yes! Fuck the DNC! The real enemy!
Definitely not that guy in the White House!
I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nominationyikes dude, there is not a single D (well gravel and maybe manchin) that is worse that Trump
I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.
I don't know man...I think there is a demand for thisso modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks
There is no room in either party for a pragmatic centrist with socially liberal stances, matched with fiscal conservatism.
I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nominationyikes dude, there is not a single D (well gravel and maybe manchin) that is worse that Trump
I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.
you have to have the power to make change (internally as well)
but that you would not vote or vote for trump because you didn't get the perfect dem is pure insanity
stop smoking crack during the work day
Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.agree, but my feeling is ...get this shit done once we have regained the Exec and hopefully the senate
Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.
Like it or not...the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D
I'm sure you have more intimate knowledge on this topic than I...but 2016 was decided by the undecidedHalf-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.
Like it or not...the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D
This is a debatable statement. The R's definitely don't think so, or they wouldn't be working so hard to suppress voters. Trump certainly hasn't been playing to the undecided either.
Do you know who doesn't use the ballot box as a protest vote?
Republicans. That's how they got George W. Bush and Donald Trump.
I didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the nightHeres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
thanks for the summary now I don't have to waste my time finding it on youtube or whateverI didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the nightHeres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Barack-instead-of-Hillary fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.thanks for the summary now I don't have to waste my time finding it on youtube or whateverI didn't watch...heard the surprised look on Cory's face was the best thing of the nightHeres the rundown: the JULIANs killed it, Cory Booker looked surprised, other people were not named Julián.
I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.
Not sure what you fixed? Edit: oh you changed Barack to Bernie.I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.
FTFY
the ACA (albeit a weak version) and averting the depression are pretty good achievements in my bookIf Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
that they didn't get more done when they had congress and the executive is a little nuts tho...
Dems are just too damn nice
We would have still had a republican controlled congress....so no we would not have had M4A
If Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
I mean, minus the part where the Dems took both the Congress and Senate in 2008, which is an unarguable fact, you’re absolutely right.We would have still had a republican controlled congress....so no we would not have had M4A
If Hillary is elected in 2008, we have Medicare for All. But it was more important that we felt inspired seeing Oprah cry.
Not sure what you fixed? Edit: oh you changed Barack to Bernie.I mean Beto was also there and displayed no understanding on any topic brought up but he sure inspired the Vansmack/voted-for-Hillary-instead-of-Bernie fringe of the party by making them feel good about how “inspiring” he is.
FTFY
finally some good news
I'm torn on this one, as states should govern how they do voting, but the problem is it such a sham
that's why I said I'm tornfinally some good news
I'm torn on this one, as states should govern how they do voting, but the problem is it such a sham
Why should states govern how they do voting? Isn't that why we needed a civil rights act? Isn't it a much stronger principle that everyone should be allowed a vote that counts?
but you are mixing two issues,
I don't think gerrymandering invalidates "that everyone should be allowed a vote" what it does do is give unequal representation of the state in the federal government of one party over the other
but the state got the correct amt of reps still (although trump is trying to change census stuff to favor his team)
File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.Interesting...that's how recreational Pot became legal in dc
The Supreme Court was right that there is nothing in the constitution from preventing political parties from giving themselves an advantage with voting districts. It was a failed strategy.
File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.
, it is a back door to eliminating minority voting power as well.but wait, aren't they the minority voting power...
caucuses...on paper they seem like a Greek ideal democracy...but in reality they kinda suckCaucuses are terrible and raises the “price of admission” on voting. It’s no surprise that Bernie Sanders limited success in 2016 came on the backs of caucus states. Fuck caucuses.
this is an interesting turn on this front
Democrats in Iowa and Nevada will be able to vote over the phone (https://www.axios.com/iowa-nevada-caucus-primary-voting-phone-ec680092-602e-46f6-b41e-a5669a23e862.html)
Fuck caucuses.I 100% agree...
show me the MONEY
2Q reporting
1. Buttigieg $24.8M
2. Biden $21.5M
3. Warren $19.1M
4. Sanders $18M
5. Harris $12M
6. Bennet $2.8M
7. Bullock $2M
8. Hickenlooper $1M
yes this was released a few days ago
but man, who would have guessed Mayor Pete to be on top of fundraising
not all campaigns reported yet (not due until July 15th)....what's not clear is the Debate bump in here
as I heard Harris cleaned up
It’s sad that in America we literally measure a political campaign’s success by how much money they raise!like it or not, it does show support
you have to look at how much money the candidates spent to get that moneythat's a data point I'd like to see...is that available
The only support measure that should matter is the votes countedwell duh...but that vote isn't until the spring and a cluster fuck because the way they do it (should just be on one day or if they have to 4 days ...one for every time zone)
Swalwellis announcingjust announcedthis afternoon (west coast time)that he is out.
Interestingly, LAT is reporting that Tom Steyer is in. Hmmm
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walkBoo...let me wear my rose colored glasses
You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
I mean, probably, but why not keep trying to end this shithead?You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
He is just too green...I saw him on Bill Maher and he was so awkward...he was better on Lawrence O’Donnell
I like him though...I think he should have announced earlier and stuck around until Iowa...the experience would have done him well...as it is it’s hard to even say he ran...I don’t get the point of the exercise
I mean, probably, but why not keep trying to end this shithead?You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
Because you could spend that money on a candidate with a chance?
Exactly....money doesn’t do much.I'm still not sure I agree with money doesn't do much...although I'm sure Jeb Bush would agree with you
But I still say if you feel like donating try to help candidates with a chance.
this is interesting to noteMitch is going to be re-elected in a walkBoo...let me wear my rose colored glasses
I don’t get people that tell people not to run....seems very anti-democratic and un American
Now I can see trying to convince people not to vote third party once all candidates are announced for general but at this early point?
Anyone who wants to be president should run to be president...the more the better
I think Trump is more un-American and anti-democratic than telling a left-center guy not to run as an independent. Can't Ross Perot run as the independent choice instead of Schultz?
Ross Perot has announced he will not be running.potw
I dont know, McConnell's opponent has my vote!of course she has your tru-blue, inside the beltway, latte drinking, USWNT supporting, climate overexcited, gender-dysphoric vote
I dont know, McConnell's opponent has my vote!of course she has your tru-blue, inside the beltway, latte drinking, USWNT supporting, climate overexcited, gender-dysphoric vote
but you don't live in KY...so matters little
question is can we inspire the people of KY to vote for her
It's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
EDIT: Should have started with the fact that I spit coffee at your description of me lol
Totallywell I think she is trying to win over KY voters who voted for Mitch...saying he didn't do any of the things he'd promised he'd do
But saying Mitch hasn’t done enough is not blue dog it’s wack dog
I mean come on!
NKOTB lives in Bernie fantasyland
Mitch has been Trump’s #1 allyWith out Mitch...this country would be soo different
Totally
But saying Mitch hasn’t done enough is not blue dog it’s wack dog
I mean come on!
NKOTB lives in Bernie fantasyland
With out Mitch...this country would be soo different
speaking of good old joe...did some pretty liberal thing todayIt's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
I'm not a big fan of joe, but you have to play to your constituents
I am one hundred percent in favor of this. I am also one hundred percent in favor of the GOP digging in their heels and refusing to kowtow, thereby de facto ending the US National Teams. #JuliansAmericaLongPlayspeaking of good old joe...did some pretty liberal thing todayIt's just another Joe Manchin, and fuck Joe Manchin.So I'd take Joe Manchin 2.0 over Mitch any f'n day, any f'n day
I'm not a big fan of joe, but you have to play to your constituents
"Days after the United States women's soccer team won their fourth World Cup, a US senator introduced a bill Tuesday that would prevent the use of federal funding for the 2026 men's World Cup until the US Soccer Federation agrees to equal pay for the women's and men's teams.
The bill, penned by Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, would prohibit the use of federal funds that would otherwise be provided to support host cities, local and state organizations, US Soccer, CONCACAF, and FIFA when the US cohosts the men's World Cup in 2026
Can you guys explain to me the problem with asking people if they are Americans on a census of Americans? I mean what is so terrible about trying to count the number of Americans? I thought that was the whole point of a census particularly to be used to apportion representation and distribute resources
I must be missing something
But until 1950 the census asked if you were a citizen?
if we are worried the information is going to be shared with ICE then the problem is not the asking of the question itself
I really think it’s crazy to say a country cannot count its citizens...that I thought was the point...
And as an American who checks off Latino I am sick and tired of Hispanics not voting or participating using every excuse in the book. Latino voting rates are abysmal. Most Latinos here are US citizens but they just don’t vote.
This whole issue is just another example of democrats being totally out of touch. I mean really? You can’t ask a person for purposes of a census wether they are a citizen?
So hypothetically if a state had million illegals they would get more representation in the House? Districts with more illegals counted get more representatives and money?
So hypothetically if a state had million illegals they would get more representation in the House? Districts with more illegals counted get more representatives and money?
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.
Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.
Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
This is an existential threat to the Dems and their ability to hold the House or the White House. The citizenship question is the spear of a 5 year plan by the R's to remake the electorate and undo demographic shifts. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.So we now have documents (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html) that the whole idea the R's pushed this forward as they could see it would give them a clear advantage and hurt Dems
Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
I hear what you are saying but I see nothing wrong with asking. That is the point of a census.So we now have documents (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html) that the whole idea the R's pushed this forward as they could see it would give them a clear advantage and hurt Dems
Another terrible hill to die on by democrats.
Mr. Hofeller ... wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats
it's just like gerrymandering and the Electoral college, they are figuring out ways to keep leaning it to give them a minority majority
so there is some ethical point I get you are trying to make, but they don't care about ethics, they just want to make it so they can create an unfair advantage to one political party by pulling all these stunts
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...Does anyone know the best way to get green smoothie and spittle out of a keyboard? I should probably just replace the keyboard, right?
I get the concerns with the messaging around it. The R's have generally killed the D's with messaging. And even the fact that we are all using the word illegal immigrant shows that. That said, I don't think this is an issue that hurts the Dems because this isn't a voting issue for their base, or independents. So I think they need to fight it hard (though I suspect they will lose in the rigged courts).
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...Does anyone know the best way to get green smoothie and spittle out of a keyboard? I should probably just replace the keyboard, right?
I'm starting to think that maybe hutch hasn't thought critically about any of the things he's posting here...
so you must be reading about 6 posts a month as there are about 4 people posting here
Now if people would stop fucking quoting people I've blocked, I wouldn't have to see their nonsense.
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!
My solemn vow is that I will never Ignore any Users.(sing-song voice) You! Are! miss-ing out!
Why would people want to miss out on posts by anybody? This forum has become boring enough without adding to the boredom by ignoring posts.
You might as well just set an Andrew Jackson on fire.Nate Silver @NateSilver538 2:21 PM · Jul 9, 2019
Mitch is going to be re-elected in a walk
I guess if that’s the way you all feel I don’t have to post
Nate Silver @NateSilver538 Jul 9 2:55 PM
But if you're not providing for, say, a 15-20% chance of [INSERT CANDIDATE NAME HERE] winning, your mental and/or statistical model is overconfident.
then there's jules, but that's jules... and you two have history.To be fair, I said nothing about Hutch.
Nate Silver @NateSilver538 Jul 9 2:55 PM
But if you're not providing for, say, a 15-20% chance of [INSERT CANDIDATE NAME HERE] winning, your mental and/or statistical model is overconfident.
I feel as though he won many very open and contentious arguments by saying something similar in his projections of Trump possibly winning in 2016, with an even higher percentage of odds.
trump taking a new tack on this....
ok...that is 100% correcttrump taking a new tack on this....
Not really. His tack all along was to rile up the left while placating to his base. This new "tack" - which will never come to fruition - is the same.
It's his tried and true pattern and it's so damn effective: get the left fired up, make my base happy all while changing ABSOLUTELY nothing.
ok...that is 100% correcttrump taking a new tack on this....
Not really. His tack all along was to rile up the left while placating to his base. This new "tack" - which will never come to fruition - is the same.
It's his tried and true pattern and it's so damn effective: get the left fired up, make my base happy all while changing ABSOLUTELY nothing.
although they keep chanting 'he's delivered on EVERY promise he's ever made"
how do we combat that misconception
he is so good at getting liberals panties in a knot (is that now an inappropriate cliche in #metoo?)
how do we combat that misconception
Start focusing on sensible economic policies that will change the minds of ~700,000 voters in 6 key states instead of seeing who can jerk whom off furthest to the left.Y. E. S.
I come to this board sometimes for Political Therapy.how do we combat that misconceptionWhy bother? Are you ever going to change the mind of his base? Do you even need to in order to win this election?
Start focusing on sensible economic policies that will change the minds of ~700,000 voters in 6 key states instead of seeing who can jerk whom off furthest to the left.I'm pretty certain that I'll have little impact
And, please, ignore the distractions.(https://media0.giphy.com/media/yBPFkq4c492ak/giphy.gif)
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.
Sec Acosta resigning
Sec Acosta resigning
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.
Has Kamala learned nothing...you can't piss of TayTay and be President
Taylor Swift Block Vote May Be In Jeopardy For Kamala Harris, Thanks To Scooter Braun Fundraiser (https://deadline.com/2019/07/kamala-harris-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-fundraiser-ariana-grande-katy-perry-demi-lovato-1202650207/)
#WeStandWithTaylor
an interesting blow by blow of the whole event...and people still are conflicted on their decisions at the timeI actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done.Would like to hear more about this...
Who cares anymore? He’s done.true...
Kind of feel like democrats are constantly outfoxed
nate is on fire lately.....
Nate Silver
Slight non-sequitur, but kudos to Eric Swalwell for being the only one of the dozen or so hopeless Democratic candidates who put aside his ego and dropped out.
While I'm not going to argue with you on that response
Swalwell had zero chance of getting the nom... as do about 15 of them, I do think at this stage some of them should drop out and get over themselves.
I do think Swalwell making sure he keeps his day job is an important factor...I assume a few of them have the same issue at home.
Who is donating to these people?
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winneras well as O’Rourke
If pets are ever given citizenship, this longplay is going to look so good. #FORTHEFUTUREdamn...didn't see that angle
I guess Zombies are also an untapped group too...Who do you think votes for Trump if not mindless zombies?
The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner
Can we get a little explanation of what the difference is in these two images?The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner
Hmmm.....
Can we get a little explanation of what the difference is in these two images?The polls are good for illustrating general trends like Bernie tanking and Warren rising but not for predicting a winner
Hmmm.....
other than the first one has Sanders crushing the US and the second doesn't have sanders
looks like trump is going to cut our payroll taxes...as if the deficit wasn't high enough let lower incoming revenue even more!
great way to get votes tho...
Don't think it's going to stop this recession
God they need help with spin...dems just suck at messaginglooks like trump is going to cut our payroll taxes...as if the deficit wasn't high enough let lower incoming revenue even more!
great way to get votes tho...
Don't think it's going to stop this recession
More like: Trump is going to ask Congress to cut the payroll tax. Puts Dems in a hard spot, because its a regressive tax that absolutely kills the accounting for Social Security. But if they don't go along, Trump can try to peg the recession on them.
Cutting the FICA tax can only work if the salary cap is removed, or at least raised significantly.
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I don't have time for this.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/19/us/politics/presidential-campaign-songs-playlists.html)
Inslee's out. Bummer...Not surprising, I really did like him and his message
Inslee (...) has a real distinct voice and focus.
Inslee (...) has a real distinct voice and focus.
but that was his problem, he's a single-issue candidate. and while we should all be on board with his single issue - nothing else more important at this point - it just won't capture the nation's attention.
yet.
I do think that Inslee had an impact on the current dialogue about climate change and that we should be grateful for
Honestly it's all about how the messaging is on climate change....I think there is an effort to make these statements that "we'll make more jobs and money" when in fact the best approach if for everyone to sacrifice a little (or maybe even a lot) ...and Americans are really not that good at that, we pride ourselves on our gluttony
Maybe he'll become the Head of the EPA or a good cabinet position(yes we gotta win first)
The candidates had much nicer things to say about him compared to Swalwell exit
he stood out from all the other old white dudes...to me at least
His impact with the average American was zeroI didn't say the voter...I meant on the platforms of the candidates and what was being discussed
Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America
The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
your boy had something to say today about it
Bernie Sanders launches $16 trillion climate change plan
His impact with the average American was zero
Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America
The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
Today I announce my $88 quintillion climate change plan
About as credible and relevant....Bernie will never be president but he can damn well make sure, again, Trump is
Democrats with a chance to win the nomination would be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general
Hutch why do you constantly tear down other Democrats. You're the reason Trump won!!!His impact with the average American was zero
Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America
The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
DemocratsI 100% agree on this...with a chance to win the nominationwould be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the general
The only one I tear down is Bernie because he is not a Democratand this...
DemocratsI 100% agree on this...with a chance to win the nominationwould be wise to hold off announcing grandiose spending plans lest Trump use it against them in the generalThe only one I tear down is Bernie because he is not a Democratand this...
I think this is going to be Bernie's problem...he's got very few friends and allies in the Democratic party as he's made a career distancing himself from them
Unless he pulls a Trump and changes the whole Democratic establishment...he's never going to get their support
Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...
Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...
Boy do I have good news for you then :)
https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-q4-2018/
The main thing is for the American people to “like” you....it’s been proven over and over again that is what wins elections
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee
Do you think anyone would pick Bernie over Trump
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee
Do you think anyone would pick Warren over Trump
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I think it's less certain than Bernie based on available metrics (which we all know after 2016 are horseshit, but...) I still think it's possible. I'm not as confident, though.
Americans will vote for who they like more over who serves their interests over and over again...
Boy do I have good news for you then :)
https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-q4-2018/
Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
I mean like to have a beer with you or hang out for coffee
Do you think anyone would pick Bernie or Warren over Trump
But you are delusional
like to have a beer withI do think this is how Republicans judge as they would prefer an everyman to a know-it-all
like to have a beer withI do think this is how Republicans judge as they would prefer an everyman to a know-it-all
I feel Beto would be super fun to drink with, just a terrible President.
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?
This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:
I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?
This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:
I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.
I'm willing to grant all of that. But he still seems like he'd be a horrible bore to drink with. Thin skinned, and egotistical. One of those guys who tells long stories about himself and than you'd have to watch every word that you said, less he took offense.
We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things.
Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
I knew it was Morning Consult...just grabbed the wrong link: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide
Who?
Who?Looks like Moulton could do the Henry Rollins bio-pic
i, don't trust guys who walk around with the top two buttons, unbuttoned, on their button downs.
Cuban Americans (Florida Florida Florida)I knew there were a lot and are influential...but just read As of the 2010 U.S. Census, there are 1.2 million people of cuban decent in Florida!
Anyways biggest news is RBG continuing to fight pancreatic cancer....saw a great quote from her
this is some funny shitWho?
Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)
Yeah, that is pretty funny actually.this is some funny shitWho?
Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)
@realDonaldTrump
The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!
another GOP rep retires....
GOP Rep. Sean Duffy resigning
although...trump won that district by 21 points...so not likely going to be a flip
Interestinganother GOP rep retires....
GOP Rep. Sean Duffy resigning
although...trump won that district by 21 points...so not likely going to be a flip
Obama won that district by +8 in 2008, then lost by -3 in 2012. I wonder why the dramatic shift?
are we not going to make note of Joe Walsh's candidacy? i mean, it isn't going to go anywhere, but we should at least mention it...
Joe Walsh officially confirms 2020 Trump Primary Challenge (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/joe-walsh-trump-primary-2020)
The ex-congressman-turned-talk radio host announced on Sunday a long-shot gamble to wrestle the 2020 Republican nomination from Trump.
this headline says all we need to know about his candidacy: "Joe Walsh says he is challenging Trump 'to make the moral case against him' (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/politics/joe-walsh-donald-trump-2020-republican-primary-cnntv/index.html)". newsflash: the GOP has no morals at the moment.
are we not going to make note of Joe Walsh's candidacy?was mentioned appropriately here (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=22097.0)
can someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped outI'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
Michael Bennet
Steve Bullock
John Delaney
Tim Ryan
Joe Sestak
here's that listcan someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped outI'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
Michael Bennet
Steve Bullock
John Delaney
Tim Ryan
Joe Sestak
Gillibrand can stay in. ... Franken-loving wing of the party.So that's only part of my gripe with her.
here's that listcan someone tell me why at this point that these people have not dropped outI'll expand your list to everyone not currently in position to make the third debate. (And I'd probably throw Yang on there too even though he is qualified.)
Michael Bennet
Steve Bullock
John Delaney
Tim Ryan
Joe Sestak
Tom Steyer
Tulsi Gabbard
Marianne Williamson
Kirsten Gillibrand
Bill de Blasio
Yang...what are you talking about
With merch like this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2693/5196/products/MMM_Tee_Front_1024x1024@2x.png?v=1566510217)
I kinda feel that people are still somewhat interested in those folks
but they could all go away* Wednesday and I wouldn't shed a tear
*from the primary
Why would anyone drop out?
Stick it out hope you catch fire and parlay that into a cabinet position
That’s the play
It’s still really early...
His impact with the average American was zero
Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America
The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
Hutch:Why would anyone drop out?
Stick it out hope you catch fire and parlay that into a cabinet position
That’s the play
It’s still really early...
Also Hutch:His impact with the average American was zero
Twitterverse or politicalheads are not America
The guy was barely registering in the polls and we want to say he had impact? Maybe negative impact
John Delaney - doesn't currently have a jobThis is a little harsh. I mean, he's not the funniest guy but he moves some tickets when he's out on tour. Being friends with the syphilis-patient on SNL has helped raise his profile.
Playing UMd, 10/30, $45man at all the debates he was bald???
Absolutely nothing to lose, fundraising money to gain (just don't take on any debt):I guess them not being on the stage is good and am starting to agree with how they decided to winnow out the field
Playing UMd, 10/30, $45
scariest headline or porn I'd never watchNo doubt, you meant to post this WoodRocket production in the Smackie thread.
New 2020 Poll Shows Three-Way Tie with Sanders, Warren and Biden
scariest headline or porn I'd never watch
New 2020 Poll Shows Three-Way Tie with Sanders, Warren and Biden
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
I do admire her push to get more people voting....but this seems like opportunity knocking LOUDLY
special election in 2020 for this seat
Didn't seem like there was a possibility of the Dems taking the senate 2020...but the likelihood is increasing
Now if we could just figure out a way to DitchMitch
Isakson retiring in GA due to Parkinsons. Time for Stacy Abrams to wake from her slumber.totally...she appears to have a lot of support in the state
I do admire her push to get more people voting....but this seems like opportunity knocking LOUDLY
special election in 2020 for this seat
Didn't seem like there was a possibility of the Dems taking the senate 2020...but the likelihood is increasing
Now if we could just figure out a way to DitchMitch
Just generally bad news for the Dems that Abrams isn't running. If she were on the ticket it would put both Senate seats and the electoral college votes in play because she would drag everyone else up. Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.
Gillibrand out
Gillibrand out
I thought she was going to be much more formidable then she ended up being.
the troglodyte cretin, Franken-loving garbage wing of the partyhas more power than we thought
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
wow best idea ever for latest chapter in "what crazy thing can we get a bordie to do"Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
draft jimmy carter?
Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
I don't know if you can blame her lack of momentum on the pro-Franken folks. I kind of feel that's an online only phenomenon, though I could be wrong. I have no thoughts or feelings about Gillebrand at all, before or after this primary, but I really can't recall a single thing she did as part of it. At least duds like Delaney or Hickenlooper stood out, though for negative reasons.
Shit, I’m a senate candidate now. Moving into the family compound in Blairsville.wow best idea ever for latest chapter in "what crazy thing can we get a bordie to do"Without her, they better need to find someone charismatic quick.Guys, super flattered but I just cannot move to Georgia and run for the Senate right now.
I'm in for $50
I also don't think the Franken thing hurt her, if anything it is the only thing she did that gave her any identity.noticing most stories about her only mention two things...franken and NRA A rating
I'm talking to the marketing team and I'm lobbying for #JustintimeJulian as the slogan
Please send the fiddy to the #JulianForTheNow Campaign headquarters.
The new James Comey report proves whatever you want it to prove
the spin from both sides is like they are reading two different documents
Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz abandons 2020 presidential ambitions
not that he even had a chance...I don't really know anyone who liked him as a candidate
#julianforthenewjobsearchHe was always FOR THE FUTURE. Why doesn't anyone pay attention when I tell you things?
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?I would definitely have doubt. We'd have to talk about who else dropped out too. Are we talking we wake up on 9/11/2019 and only Biden and Warren are left or everything is exactly the same except Bernie is out? Do I get to intuit who else drops out before Iowa/New Hampshire?
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?
I would definitely have more doubt than in Space's hypothetical scenario. Bernie is a total non-starter.Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?
is there any doubt that bernie would be the nominee if warren dropped out?
Is there any doubt that Warren would be the nominee if Bernie dropped out?
I'm just totally grossed out at this thoughtful, sourced analysis instead of multiple paragraphs of completely unsolicited random ruminations presented as facts. Get bent, nkotb.
yikes
ben Shapiro memes as a defense...
Canada has a federal fixed election date and Canadians head to the polls every four years.
I usually don't reveal my source...but, blame the BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49656611)Canada has a federal fixed election date and Canadians head to the polls every four years.
this statement is at best misleading, and at worse false. canadian federal elections can happen on any date, and a term is in fact 5 years but the tradition is to call an election after 4 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_election_dates_in_Canada
any bets on what he's going to do?Crickets...come on bordies...thought you'd come up with a funny one or two
@samstein
Andrew Yang’s campaign manager just called to tell me that at tomorrow night’s debate, Yang will be doing "something no presidential candidate has ever done before in history.” He declined to go further than that.
I'm going with streaking...he's going to get naked and streak across the stage with Soy Bomb tattooed on his ass
any bets on what he's going to do?Crickets...come on bordies...thought you'd come up with a funny one or two
@samstein
Andrew Yang’s campaign manager just called to tell me that at tomorrow night’s debate, Yang will be doing "something no presidential candidate has ever done before in history.” He declined to go further than that.
I'm going with streaking...he's going to get naked and streak across the stage with Soy Bomb tattooed on his ass
14.88>13.21
Looking forward to getting my freedom dividendthat was a little predictable coming from yang...but I'm sure it drove an insane amount of foot traffic to https://www.yang2020.com/
I’m going to call Booker the winner, in spite of his punt/flub of the veganism question. And Beto a strong second.
But stupid Democratic voters will still cling to the three old people.
I didn't watch this garbage last night, but did Joe's dentures really fall out?
I'd add Castro to the mix as well. I think he did a good job of standing out and giving people a reason to maybe look a bit deeper. Not sure he has much beyond that, but he did rise above most of the rest. I'm not a fan of Booker or Beto but they both had pretty good nights. Good on Beto for talking about guns without flinching or tiptoeing around it.
Pretty cool to see a lot of headlines about Biden coming out on top!I’m going to call Booker the winner, in spite of his punt/flub of the veganism question. And Beto a strong second.
But stupid Democratic voters will still cling to the three old people.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EExfmbFXoAAu3PV?format=jpg&name=medium)
I don't think anyone in the world thought that was Beto.well at least me and the person who handles the 930 twitter account did...so really no one of importance
Speaking of Beto . . . he is now officially running on the platform of legalization of pot, and expunging records relating to pot.
Wow. Too bad, he doesn't have a chance of winning.
Four-term Republican California Rep. Paul Cook is retiring
the 13th House GOP lawmaker so far to announce his or her retirement
Rats are getting off the sinking ship
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changesso depressing and possible
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates
there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him. not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates
there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him. not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.
There has to be some pictures of Trunp in blackface somewhere.
I think he will be re-elected unless something major changes both with respect to the economy and the democratic candidates
there are other possibilities... i'm still holding out hope that a big enough scandal will catch up with him. not sure if this "ukrainian aid for biden dirt" fracas will do it, but if he's caught on tape accepting a bribe or we get proof that he is directing business to himself, or some such.
predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press confI mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
hows that going to impact Trumps nomination for the Noble Peace Prize?predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press confI mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
hows that going to impact Trumps nomination for the Noble Peace Prize?predictions on Pelosi's 5PM press confI mean, I think it's obviously announcing an impeachment inquiry.
Now Trump says he will release unredacted transcript of call tomorrow
Tulsi Gabbard does not support impeachment
People assume democrats have votes in the house but what if they don’t even have that!
What if phone call transcript comes out and it’s completely innocuous?
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?Bolton has an axe to grind and apparently was furious over this withholding of funding
Dan Coats?
Well well well
I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the housenot following what you are trying to say here?
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble about impeachment but I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the house
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble about impeachment but I regret to inform you Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaking of the house
what is she speaking about, then?
Rules are rules, folksok..so it was your grammar/tense and you were quoting trump...
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177
Rules are rules, folksok..so it was your grammar/tense and you were quoting trump...
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177
TRUMP: and Nancy Pelosi as far as I'm concerned, unfortunately, she's no longer Speaker of the House.
So why is trump saying unfortunately?
Yes, but I was also a shithead as a kid, so they were probably rightcan you elaborate...inquiring minds want to know
Modifying my posts is a federal crime @FBI @CIA
there is no way it took 30 minutes to say what was written there.
Here's an authoritative description:
https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587533322342400?s=19 (https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587533322342400?s=19)
not thinking Coats with this comment he just madeSo who do you guys think is the whistleblower?Bolton has an axe to grind and apparently was furious over this withholding of funding
Dan Coats?