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Title: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 04, 2019, 06:50:43 pm

we should probably start an impeachy thread...

fine, i'll pick up the mantle.

i saw a really good image/meme thingy this morning, something to the effect of "for trump supporters, it's not about right or wrong.  it's about winning or losing."  it went on with an explanation about how they need to stick with trump no matter what, otherwise they would have to admit they lost.  but i can't find that image anymore, so instead i offer you: Trump’s Defenders Have Adopted a Doctrine of Infallibility (https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/trump-defenders-have-adopted-a-doctrine-of-infallibility/).  good read.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 04, 2019, 06:54:46 pm
You literally saw that on here.  ;D Already posted.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 05, 2019, 12:11:21 am
lol.  well that explains why i couldn't find it (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=24904.msg491947#msg491947) on any of my social media.

second whistleblower forthcoming?!? (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/second-trump-whistleblower.html)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on October 07, 2019, 08:26:42 am
Remember when incel type guys were able to bag wives from less privileged countries simply because the women would marry them because they wanted to be Americans? It seems like Trump is making us into a country less desirable to come to and in turn these incels are never going to find wives.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 07, 2019, 09:04:34 am
What in gods name made you think of this?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 07, 2019, 09:07:23 am
Remember when incel type guys were able to bag wives from less privileged countries simply because the women would marry them because they wanted to be Americans? It seems like Trump is making us into a country less desirable to come to and in turn these incels are never going to find wives.
My God, if he loses the mail order bride voting bloc, he's really in trouble.

But seriously, this is so random.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 07, 2019, 01:11:23 pm
yes, this is indeed a random observation - but it's in keeping with the times, so carry on sir.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 07, 2019, 05:15:36 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF-AeI2XkAE0J-O?format=jpg&name=small)
spotted at the library of congress
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2019, 11:14:20 am
This seems foolish in that it will give loony Giuliani a chance to lie on the floor of congress...which he is sure to do and then face legal issues with that lie

Lindsey Graham tweeted Tuesday that he would offer Rudy Giuliani a chance to testify before the committee about his "concerns"  that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating his son.


Also, can someone give me a good reason not to have the dems have a vote to begin the impeachment process
one line of reasoning is Trump wants to force House Democrats in vulnerable races to be on the record
My understanding that Pelosi can hold the vote, but still not grant GOP wishes to grandstand on the floor and issue useless soapens

I know this is soo last week (which might as well be last decade with the news cycle of late)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on October 08, 2019, 11:44:38 am
What happens now that the Administration won't let witnesses be deposed? Federal Court gets involved? How? Any impeachment/con law scholars on here?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2019, 11:54:56 am
What happens now that the Administration won't let witnesses be deposed? Federal Court gets involved? How? Any impeachment/con  law scholars on here?
I see what you did there....
what would stop them from doing that again?
and if that's the case, what are you waiting for Nancy
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2019, 12:59:08 pm
Spencer Hsu @hsu_spencer
DEVELOPING Trump Justice Dept. asks U.S. judge to reject House Judiciary Committee request for Mueller grand jury materials, argues courts in 1974 wrongly gave Congress the Watergate grand jury 'roadmap' that led to President Nixon's impeachment.


So the angle is that supreme court was wrong in 74 to comply with the House's request and Nixon was unjustly impeached?

Wow...shit just keeps getting crazier
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2019, 01:21:56 pm
and Nixon was unjustly impeached?

Nixon was not impeached.  He resigned while the House was proceeding with their Impeachment inquiry.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on October 08, 2019, 01:23:49 pm
What are the odds that Trump is not impeached, does not resign, is re-elected, and things get much worse for at least four years?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2019, 01:46:22 pm
What are the odds that Trump is not impeached, does not resign, is re-elected, and things get much worse for at least four years?
sadly the odds are not that bad on that
I'd find it hard if the evidence is laid out clearly that the independents will go Pro-trump like they did against hil

but WTFdoEyeNo
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2019, 02:18:44 pm
This seems foolish in that it will give loony Giuliani a chance to lie on the floor of congress...which he is sure to do and then face legal issues with that lie

Lindsey Graham tweeted Tuesday that he would offer Rudy Giuliani a chance to testify before the committee about his "concerns"  that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating his son.
ok...that was a blip...back to your talk about smoking joints onstage
Rudy Giuliani told the Washington Post in an interview Tuesday that he will not testify or provide documents to the House Intelligence Committee until its chairman, Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), is removed and the full House votes to authorize a formal impeachment inquiry.


See how he added a condition that will surely not be met

Again, is there a good argument for not holding the vote...there has to be and I'm just not seeing it

Edit...I like this opinion
Jonathan Allen @jonallendc
Subtext: Republicans want a vote on impeachment or impeachment inquiry as soon as possible because poll numbers are moving away from Trump and they want to lock in a high-water vote total. Democrats want to wait because numbers are moving in their favor and want a higher # later.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 08, 2019, 04:48:50 pm
Also, can someone give me a good reason not to have the dems have a vote to begin the impeachment process
one line of reasoning is Trump wants to force House Democrats in vulnerable races to be on the record
My understanding that Pelosi can hold the vote, but still not grant GOP wishes to grandstand on the floor and issue useless soapens

I know this is soo last week (which might as well be last decade with the news cycle of late)

mixed in with the Dem's desire to wait for even better numbers and not wanting to lock in the votes of at-risk reps: i suspect that Pelosi doesn't want to be bossed around.  she wants to snub the GOP. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 08, 2019, 06:15:49 pm
good stuff....
Jon Favreau @jonfavs
The official White House position is that they’ll only cooperate with an impeachment inquiry if Congress ends the impeachment inquiry.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 08, 2019, 06:18:16 pm
Why Democrats aren't planning to vote on an impeachment inquiry (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/nancy-pelosi-letter-impeachment/index.html)

vindication:
Quote
"If we want to do it, we'll do it. If we don't, we don't," Pelosi told the Atlanta Journal Constitution's editorial board Friday. "But we're certainly not going to do it because of the President."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 09, 2019, 02:27:16 pm
Wise words from a rocker
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72628671_3748962001781417_1095056071652802560_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkw2wO_j4bxRaQlxDivuNdZaXHc4gupJwXHPJ6leIYPx2rYOfDSp9FQnx5_phvHmpA&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=2fb7773c3a0aa9ce979f55a43dedde67&oe=5E224719)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 10, 2019, 10:44:52 am
Rudy's underlings arrested for campaign finance violations.

Let's hope the Feds get them to sing like canaries... Work their way up the ladder.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 10, 2019, 11:01:40 am
trump lays into fox as he didn't like their polling and ends with ...Oh well, I’m President!

Whoever their Pollster is, they suck.


Guess we should have expected this

yesterday @NateSilver538
Fox News does good, nonpartisan, unbiased polling, so there's no reason to expect their numbers on impeachment to be different than the other good polls, but can still imagine this one is going to cause a wee bit of anxiety in the White House.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 10, 2019, 01:02:03 pm
Rudy's underlings arrested for campaign finance violations.

Let's hope the Feds get them to sing like canaries... Work their way up the ladder.
This is getting crazy and looks like there are fingerprints everywhere
another interesting twist
Part of the alleged scheme revolved around an effort to curry favor with politicians who could help them win licenses for a retail marijuana business they hoped to establish. The business venture and the ensuing lobbying effort was largely funded by a Russian national

Edit....news is coming so fast..Not looking good for Rudy or trump...especially since Rex has a axe to grind

President Trump pressured then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to help convince the Department of Justice (DOJ) to drop a criminal investigation against an Iranian-Turkish gold trader who was also a client of Trump's current personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, Bloomberg reports.

Tillerson has openly said that Trump asked him multiple times to do things that would break the law,



Edit #2 - Prosecutors say Giuliani associates were trying to leave US with one-way tickets when arrested
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 10, 2019, 06:54:56 pm
thump, thump

the sound the bus made as it ran over rudy
You'd have to ask Rudy



Worth noting: The Federal Election Commission currently cannot launch any new investigations into illicit campaign contributions from foreign nationals, because the August resignation of vice chairman Matthew Petersen left the agency without the minimum 4 commissioners necessary to make high-level decisions.

been hearing how they have intentionally not restaffed the FEC...as if they knew stuff like this would happen

Edit...so much fucking news
Barr...yes the country's top cop...went to have a private meeting with Rupurt Murdoch at his home in NY?!?!
is the 'state run media' not doing what the state wants?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 10, 2019, 09:55:59 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlJWtPqU8AATLSn.jpg)
was probably made for his last attorney, but great when a punch line can get reused
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 10, 2019, 09:58:02 pm
It would be better if it misspelled a word...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 10, 2019, 10:00:20 pm
It would be better if it misspelled a word...
yeah, but then you would have thought I made it
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 11, 2019, 09:23:22 am
company name was Fraud Guarantee....WTF can't make this shit up!

Same guy owns this club...
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/10/0f/db/e6/caption.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 11, 2019, 05:23:15 pm
really not looking good for rudy

Asked if Rudy Giulaini is still his personal attorney, Trump says, "I don't know"


also
WTF...AG Barr blames drug overdoses, mental health issues on secularism in society

really....The White House accidentally sent Democrats a list of talking points  AGAIN!

Can we change the title of this threat...Impeach all of Team Trump
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 14, 2019, 09:33:09 am
Trump can't stop from interfering with voting...:)

@realDonaldTrump
Vote for good guy @seanspicer  tonight on Dancing With The Stars. He has always been there for us!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 14, 2019, 02:31:37 pm
big thanks to smackie for bringing this to my attention:

The backstory to impeachment: From Paul Manafort to Donald Trump’s fateful phonecall (https://www.economist.com/briefing/2019/10/12/from-paul-manafort-to-donald-trumps-fateful-phonecall)
How Ukrainians in a bind reach out to Americans on the make

this should be mandatory reading for every american.  ties so many pieces together.

if you're not sub'ed to The Economist, i believe you can create an account and get a few free article per month.  do it.  now.  then select the above link as one of your freebies.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 15, 2019, 10:26:47 am
Would have never thought Bolton might be the one to bring things down...but these are some juicy quotes from Hill's testomony on the hill
“I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up”
"Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on October 15, 2019, 10:34:55 am
Meanwhile, the top story on FOX online is Lebron coming out as a Communist.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 15, 2019, 10:41:46 am
Would have never thought Bolton might be the one to bring things down...but these are some juicy quotes from Hill's testomony on the hill
“I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up”
"Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,"

His commentary is spot on...

@Zeddary
Whatever happens, Bolton isn't the hero, get it?
·
Bolton looked at a criminal conspiracy to extort a vulnerable, war-torn proto-democracy for domestic political ends and concluded 'this will seriously take away from my valuable war mongering time, no thank you.' THAT'S IT.
.
Fiona Hill may well merit commendation. NOT BOLTON!
.
I will give Bolton the smallest of props for knowing to sabotage his fellow parasites by name with a quote memorable enough to show up on a Call of Duty death screen.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2019, 10:46:22 am
They are all traitors and garbage

Bolton didn’t do anything out of a sense of right and wrong...more like they are all fighting for power

In an administration like this one it’s like Survivor...Bolton made a few moves but got booted

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2019, 10:47:50 am
Meanwhile, the top story on FOX online is Lebron coming out as a Communist.

I got to say Lebron’s comments are so cowardly....I was kind of shocked
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on October 15, 2019, 10:49:08 am
Carson is flying under the radar. Will he outwit, outplay, outlast them all?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2019, 10:54:02 am
Carson is not even on the island...

It’s kind of like at the beginning they said hey you go over there ..we don’t give a shit about that stuff...don’t call us we won’t call you
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 15, 2019, 12:46:49 pm
I think this is a good ad and strategy
https://twitter.com/i/status/1184123228618395649

I love how they are putting the GOP senators in there and asking their constituents to contact them
those two last clips as it ends are priceless
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: analogfossa on October 15, 2019, 01:18:46 pm
Meanwhile, the top story on FOX online is Lebron coming out as a Communist.

I got to say Lebron’s comments are so cowardly....I was kind of shocked
Lebron's lifetime Nike contract is valued at 1 Billion. When Nike tells you to shill, you shill.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2019, 01:22:41 pm
Yes that’s the way I read it...very cowardly
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 15, 2019, 02:15:02 pm
Meanwhile, the top story on FOX online is Lebron coming out as a Communist.

I got to say Lebron’s comments are so cowardly....I was kind of shocked
Lebron's lifetime Nike contract is valued at 1 Billion. When Nike tells you to shill, you shill.
Well, I mean the oppressed people in China aren't black so . . .
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 15, 2019, 02:34:51 pm
Would have never thought Bolton might be the one to bring things down...but these are some juicy quotes from Hill's testomony on the hill
“I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up”
"Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,"

His commentary is spot on...

@Zeddary
Whatever happens, Bolton isn't the hero, get it?
·
Bolton looked at a criminal conspiracy to extort a vulnerable, war-torn proto-democracy for domestic political ends and concluded 'this will seriously take away from my valuable war mongering time, no thank you.' THAT'S IT.
.
Fiona Hill may well merit commendation. NOT BOLTON!
.
I will give Bolton the smallest of props for knowing to sabotage his fellow parasites by name with a quote memorable enough to show up on a Call of Duty death screen.
this is a good follow up
Seth Masket @smotus
Genie: “You still have one wish left.”
Me: “Come up with a scandal so awful that John Bolton is actually the hero.”
Genie: “You’re one sick bastard, but okay."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 17, 2019, 12:50:30 pm
OH SNAP...getting dissed by your strong man buddies
"President Erdoğan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin,” Turkish presidential sources told the BBC, adding that he launched the invasion the same day.

I'm sure everyone's read and heard that he handed out copies at that meeting to show how 'smart and tough' he is
man did he show us

So much news....
Mick Mulvaney announces that the next G20 will be at a resort that Trump still owns and profits from in Doral, Florida. #grifting
I really don't see how the right doesn't see this as putting tax payer money in trumps pocket, insane

to may sure there doesn't seem to be some profiteering
Mulvaney says the WH used the same set of criteria that previous administrations used, and sent an advance team to 10 locations across the country. “The Doral was far and away... by far and away, the best facility to host this event.”

I'd love to see the report on the other 9 locations...

MM added:
     Listen, I was skeptical. I was. I was aware of the political sort of criticism we would come under for doing it at Doral. Which is why I was so surprised when the advance team called back and said this is the perfect physical location to do this. ... There's no issue here on him profiting from this in any way shape or form."


also what about Camp David?  Isn't that where you would hold things like this?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 17, 2019, 04:43:55 pm
the bodies getting thrown under the bus in this administration is crazy

we're going to need a bigger bus
(https://i.giphy.com/media/CpkErh5x2os2k/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 18, 2019, 12:16:33 pm
A bipartisan group of senators want the Senate to vote on legislation reining in a president's emergency powers.
 

The Senate legislation would end future national emergencies after 30 days unless Congress voted to extend them. It was passed out of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee in July.

I know they just killed his border wall funds override...but a lot has happened in the last 10 days
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 18, 2019, 01:05:29 pm
Elie Honig @eliehonig
This always frustrated me as a prosecutor. You’d have a killer case but then the defendant would say “get over it” and, legally, that was that.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 18, 2019, 03:28:41 pm

Quote
copyhatch
man you really know how to hurt a guy

Um, get over it.
they are actually running with this now
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHLtHR2WkAAv4LF?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

disclaimer...found on the internet and could be a deep fake

Edit...it's real President Trump's 2020 campaign says it's releasing a line of merchandise featuring a new slogan: "Get over it."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 18, 2019, 05:01:42 pm
Edit...it's real President Trump's 2020 campaign says it's releasing a line of merchandise featuring a new slogan: "Get over it."

there is no bottom.

this is further evidence of trump's, and the GOP's, strategy of "it can't be illegal if you do it out in the open."  maybe trump really could normalize murder on 5th avenue.

there is no bottom.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2019, 03:03:16 pm
So how soon do we expect Mick Mulvaney and Rudy to end up in the 'fired/retired' thread
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on October 21, 2019, 03:18:14 pm
Edit...it's real President Trump's 2020 campaign says it's releasing a line of merchandise featuring a new slogan: "Get over it."

there is no bottom.

this is further evidence of trump's, and the GOP's, strategy of "it can't be illegal if you do it out in the open."  maybe trump really could normalize murder on 5th avenue.

there is no bottom.

I think his base likely believes "It aint illegal if they don't mention it in the bible."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 21, 2019, 03:27:28 pm
Edit...it's real President Trump's 2020 campaign says it's releasing a line of merchandise featuring a new slogan: "Get over it."

there is no bottom.

this is further evidence of trump's, and the GOP's, strategy of "it can't be illegal if you do it out in the open."  maybe trump really could normalize murder on 5th avenue.

there is no bottom.

I think his base likely believes "It aint illegal if they don't mention it in the bible."
not even then

How Donald Trump has already broken all 10 Commandments  (https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-donald-trump-has-already-broken-all-10-commandments/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 21, 2019, 03:40:49 pm
So how soon do we expect Mick Mulvaney and Rudy to end up in the 'fired/retired' thread

not too soon, i hope - at this point they have become useful fools.  the more they talk, the worse things get.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 21, 2019, 03:44:27 pm
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DnPwaEn8aGE/TCzuD3rT0KI/AAAAAAAAKE8/V4P1QcWCh8E/s1600/2zodj6g.png)

Trump likes his business barely legal, like his women.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 23, 2019, 03:37:46 pm
totally shallow of me...but I want to know more about Svetlana Parnas
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2019, 03:45:34 pm
totally shallow of me...but I want to know more about Svetlana Parnas

page 42 of the 2012 catalog.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on October 23, 2019, 03:49:37 pm
totally shallow of me...but I want to know more about Svetlana Parnas

I bet the carpet doesn't match the drapes, if there is one.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2019, 03:51:13 pm
in case you're serious: https://heavy.com/news/2019/10/svetlana-lev-parnas-wife/ (https://heavy.com/news/2019/10/svetlana-lev-parnas-wife/)
https://globintel.com/usa/lev-parnas-wife-svetlana-parnas-bio-wiki-age/ (https://globintel.com/usa/lev-parnas-wife-svetlana-parnas-bio-wiki-age/)

or, you know, just do a Google Image search on Svetlana Parnas...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 23, 2019, 03:57:40 pm
or, you know, just do a Google Image search on Svetlana Parnas...
Of course I did....
I was trying to figure out who the blonde walking into the court with him was...ya know, important stuff

I bet the carpet doesn't match the drapes, if there is one.
Can confirm, there is no carpet
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on October 23, 2019, 04:36:45 pm
or, you know, just do a Google Image search on Svetlana Parnas...
Of course I did....
I was trying to figure out who the blonde walking into the court with him was...ya know, important stuff

I bet the carpet doesn't match the drapes, if there is one.
Can confirm, there is no carpet

Hardwood?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 23, 2019, 04:44:31 pm
Nothing says class like an Ukrainian whore
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2019, 05:19:44 pm
Nothing says class like an Ukrainian whore

i mean, we're probably all thinking it, but saying it out loud isn't a good look hutch...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 23, 2019, 05:28:27 pm
I was going for shock value...it worked?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 24, 2019, 01:09:11 pm
Jim Jordan - you can tell I'm serious, because I had to take my jacket off
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 24, 2019, 04:33:44 pm
some pretty good lines in this write-up of the GOP's "protest" in the SCIC yesterday:

Trump told Republicans to fight. They took the brawl underground. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pentagon-official-to-testify-about-ukraine-aid-in-house-impeachment-probe/2019/10/22/59c2c872-f518-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html)

"What unfolded next was one of the most bizarre and theatrical days of the probe to date, full of partisan fury, genuine security violations, unclaimed pizza and several TV appearances likely to please the president."

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 25, 2019, 09:53:49 am
would be funny if they were behind this
Break-in reported at Elizabeth Warren campaign office in New Hampshire https://cnb.cx/363uR65
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 25, 2019, 07:49:38 pm
ghouliani strikes again (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-for-cash-and-trashing-bidens/ar-AAJmKVC?ocid=msn360). 

i can't smack my forehead hard enough...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2019, 11:46:18 am
i suspect that Pelosi doesn't want to be bossed around.  she wants to snub the GOP.
welp...snub time is over
time to show their cards 
House Democrats, who have resisted a floor vote on the impeachment inquiry for weeks, are planning to hold one Thursday to lay out rules for the investigation. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/us/politics/trump-impeachment-subpoena-house.html?)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2019, 11:42:24 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIN5wdRW4AAAP6N?format=jpg&name=medium)

to be clear...this not a vote for Impeachment, but for the inquiry rules
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2019, 01:25:08 pm
ghouliani strikes again (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-for-cash-and-trashing-bidens/ar-AAJmKVC?ocid=msn360). 

i can't smack my forehead hard enough...
Rudy and his phone....I bet there is a goldmine of stuff on there too
Rudy Giulihttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rudy-giuliani-needed-apple-genius-help-unlock-his-iphone-after-n1074241ani needed Apple genius help to unlock his iPhone  (http://)
this man is President Donald Trump’s cybersecurity adviser!

Michael Anaya, a former FBI supervisory special agent who led a cyber squad for four years, reacted with astonishment when told about Giuliani’s Apple store visit.
“That’s crazy,” he said. Anaya said someone in Giuliani’s position should never allow a person he didn’t know to access his device.
“You’re trusting that person in the store not to look at other information that is beyond what you’re there to get assistance for,” . "That’s a lot of trust you’re putting into an individual that you don’t know.”
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 31, 2019, 01:28:38 pm
ghouliani strikes again (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-for-cash-and-trashing-bidens/ar-AAJmKVC?ocid=msn360). 

i can't smack my forehead hard enough...
Rudy and his phone....I bet there is a goldmine of stuff on there too
Rudy Giulihttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rudy-giuliani-needed-apple-genius-help-unlock-his-iphone-after-n1074241ani needed Apple genius help to unlock his iPhone  (http://)

do0d, you murdered that link:

Rudy Giuliani needed Apple genius help to unlock his iPhone after named Trump cybersecurity adviser (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rudy-giuliani-needed-apple-genius-help-unlock-his-iphone-after-n1074241)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2019, 01:32:29 pm
do0d, you murdered that link
Can Confirm...with extreme prejudice
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 31, 2019, 05:08:29 pm
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75285805_2281806008587988_7114179701630828544_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQl-gInRTuBBh9JRHmp13sMUOtl_5uEq6DgMFqjU2Q-8f-tSMedIjeUWbOhBx50Duf0&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=8b0a39e9f14416cca80a7b06f099d142&oe=5E5B39FF)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 31, 2019, 06:36:28 pm
Trump lures GOP senators on impeachment with cold cash (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/31/trump-impeachment-senators-donor-062084)

like a boss... a mafia boss.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on October 31, 2019, 08:14:45 pm
You guys are obsessed with Trump
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2019, 06:59:27 am
Looks like Lev Parnas doesn't like that Trump said he didn't know who he is ...and is talking to Congress!

@HoarseWisperer
Fun-fact: John Gotti’s henchman, Sammy “The Bull” Gravano, wasn’t going to turn on the Dapper Don until prosecutors played him a tape of Gotti trashing him.
Lev Parnas heard Trump throwing him under the bus on live TV.


wow in a odd coincidence...you know who got Sammy to turn...Robert Mueller!
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/how-scared-should-trump-be-of-mueller-ask-john-gotti-or-sammy-the-bull/amp
although...guess that didn't work out as we hoped, just a funny coincidence

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2019, 02:38:56 am
can someone help me understand the following GOP talking point: "the whistleblower is partisan, we need to ID him/her so we can verify his bias, his political motivation - this person is clearly anti-trump".

WTF does it matter?  what if hillary and/or obama is/are the whistleblower(s)?  regardless of the 'blower's motivations, it doesn't negate the president's actions.  we now have multiple witnesses to his crimes.  leftie or righty, the blower was right.  but because they are a partisan, somehow the crimes don't count?

do adherents to this line of thinking believe that only a republican can out the president's deeds, because they are pure of heart? 

have i committed the sin of trying to find the logic here?  i mean, i get it, they are trying to out the whistleblower to punish them for opposing Their Guy, but c'mon... they're wearing no clothes.

this post brought to you by homebrewed cider?  weeeeee (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0p-U1LBbQ).
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Yada on November 06, 2019, 08:37:58 am
https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1191560809933103105?s=19
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2019, 10:20:09 am
can someone help me understand the following GOP talking point: "the whistleblower is partisan, we need to ID him/her so we can verify his bias, his political motivation - this person is clearly anti-trump".
it doesn't matter, logic is not allowed to be used in these arguments

 If a bank is being robbed and someone calls in the tip, the cops show up, catch the robbers, they admit the crime
Do we then try to find out what the motivation of the Tipster is?
The robbers are still guilty and caught red handed...its seems so simple, but yet a million requests for the WB identity

they are all willing to die on this hill of lies.  although apparently 2/3rds of trump supporters said "It doesn't matter what is said, they will always back trump."  There were A LOT of people who still supported Nixon right to the end and they didn't have Echo chamber news feeding them only one side of the story then


The other things they keep shouting that is mind numbinly stupid
1."This is a violation of the 6th amendment"
 this is NOT a criminal case that is being tried in a state or federal court, so those rules don't apply.  It is an Inquiry, specifically for the House/legistative branch to have powers to investigate the Executive branch.  The rules are pretty clear and an important part of the constitution. 
2. "we need this to be out in the open"  So they Dems say OK lets do it out in the open and every single R votes against moving forward with the inquiry in the open and Lindsy was so bold to say "I'm not even going to read the transcript of the testimony"  !?! They have tried to make this about "its being done in secret" ...umm you had 20~ republicans in these meetings, did you put comatose people in there so it didn't count that they were in the room.

They were trying so hard to make this about Process, so the Dems are walking on eggshells with the process, because they really can't fight the substance other than to say "you are on a witch hunt"  and not actually discuss the actions and why they might be considered criminal

This is not a fair fight and it sucks that their supporters don't care either
They just make shit up and keep saying it, hoping that the listeners don't understand the law
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2019, 02:06:11 pm
part of the answer to my own question came to me in the shower this morning: repubs are trying to confounds whistleblower and witness.  a witness' motivations are fair game for questioning, a blower's aren't.

and what the hell is up with Rand?!?
Rand Paul says he 'probably will' disclose whistleblower's name (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/469156-paul-says-he-probably-will-disclose-whistleblowers-name)
Thanks to Rand Paul, Russian Media Are Naming the Alleged Whistleblower (https://www.thedailybeast.com/thanks-to-trump-booster-rand-paul-russian-media-are-naming-the-alleged-ukraine-whistleblower)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 06, 2019, 03:59:39 pm
Gordon Sondland: "I mean, this has been a very bad experience for me."
Transcript p.198.

Josh Marshall @joshtpm
“I spent $1 Million buying myself an Ambassadorship and all I got was having to spend another $1 Million on attorney fees because I perjured myself to Congress.”
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2019, 07:42:11 pm
file under "completely bonkers", and "my daily reminder there is no floor":

White House calls claim that Jared Kushner gave Saudi ruler permission to arrest Jamal Khashoggi before journalist was killed and dismembered 'false nonsense' (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7646171/Jared-Kushner-claim-greenlit-arrest-Jamal-Khashoggi-phone-call-Saudi-Prince-nonsense-White-House.html)
- White House calls claim in British conservative news magazine's gossip column  that Jared Kushner green-lighted Jamal Khashoggi's arrest
- Article claims more whistleblowers have come forward to Democrat-led House of Representatives with claims of wrongdoing by Trump officials
- Report says one whistleblower is alleging that Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, approved Saudi plans to arrest Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi
- According to Spectator, Turkey intercepted call between Kushner and Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and then used it to gain leverage over Trump
- Trump agreed to remove American troops from northern Syria after a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
- White House official calls report 'false nonsense'', Spectator acknowledged of its own report 'whether any of this is true is another matter'

incompetence, criminal foreign policy, blackmail (AKA LOSING), back-channel illegal communication, more incompetence: yup, checks out.  now new and improved,   comes with additional whistleblowers!!!

"The report claims that investigators on the Democratic-led House Intelligence Committee are aware of these allegations and are planning to dig further into them while pursuing the impeachment inquiry over Trump's dealings with Ukraine.   

It also claims that the number of intelligence 'whistleblowers' who have given or are willing to give evidence to the House Intelligence Committee's impeachment inquiry is seven, one of whom has made the claim about Kushner."


i know it's from a gossip column but please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true ...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2019, 07:58:18 pm
While I support impeachment at the end of the day I hope he is defeated at the ballot box.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2019, 08:22:19 pm
While I support impeachment at the end of the day I hope he is defeated at the ballot box.

there is very little the russians and other foreigners can do to interfere in an impeachment, AKA it's more of a sure thing.  also, the timing would be horrible for the GOP - with trump out, they'll be scrambling for a new candidate for 2020.  i'm not certain that pence, vowing to avenge the "wrongful removal" of trump, would gain sufficient traction. trump's mindless masses stay home in disillusionment.  the end.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2019, 07:42:16 am
And justice for all.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50315490
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 07, 2019, 09:39:24 am
And justice for all.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50315490
To be fair, I hate this sort of stuff. This person isn't really qualified for this. This is like Joe The Plumber getting an ambassadorship.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2019, 09:55:27 am
And justice for all.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50315490
To be fair, I hate this sort of stuff. This person isn't really qualified for this. This is like Joe The Plumber getting an ambassadorship.
So you do have a point, but it's very symbolic and Dems get so few 'poke them in the eye' moments
The republicans get them daily, so I'm ok with this one

I don't think that the position of supervisor for the Algonkian District in Loudoun County, Virginia is the kind of position that will take the commonwealth down
I am sure most didn't even know who the former person in that role or what that person actually does

and who knows, she might evolve into a formidable politician
how many people running for Supervisor have tons of 'qualified' experience
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2019, 10:11:44 am
And justice for all.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50315490
To be fair, I hate this sort of stuff. This person isn't really qualified for this. This is like Joe The Plumber getting an ambassadorship.

Give me a break. This woman was elected Supervisor for the Algonkian District. Whatever the hell that is.  Who *would* be qualified for that job? It's certainly not an ambassadorship.

Also, this woman  received an MBA in Marketing from Johns Hopkins University in 1998. Joe the Plumber served in the Air Force for four years and seems to have never taken a college course. Color me elitist, but I'd hire someone with an MBA from Hopkins before I would someone with no college education.

Edit: I see Hatch was typing out the same point...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2019, 10:16:24 am
Hutchette attended a fundraiser for the person in question

I think it’s great she got elected

I assume Julian is just playing up to his elitist persona
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 07, 2019, 11:33:31 am
I'm not trying to play up anything. The primary reason people are excited about this woman getting elected is she flipped someone we don't like off. That's super funny, but its also not exactly a reason to elect someone. Do I know anything about her platform? No. Do I know who else was running for this position? No. But neither does anyone else on here and neither does any article about her reveal any of this. Its all very much presented as "lol, trolling the Boomers".

What happened to when they go low, we go high?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 07, 2019, 11:34:42 am
Also, this woman  received an MBA in Marketing from Johns Hopkins University in 1998. Joe the Plumber served in the Air Force for four years and seems to have never taken a college course. Color me elitist, but I'd hire someone with an MBA from Hopkins before I would someone with no college education.
Fair enough. My analogy was hyperbolic.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2019, 11:42:39 am
What happened to when they go low, we go high?
I know this is strange coming from me...I'm so tired of getting(going) High
I think that we need to 95% of the time, but eveyonce in a while, we get to do this
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/b20ef28b751093a368b7138f4198e61e/tenor.gif?itemid=5549448)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on November 07, 2019, 01:16:15 pm
I have an impeachment question.

If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 07, 2019, 01:34:02 pm
If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?
No.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on November 07, 2019, 01:37:34 pm
If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?
No.

Badass.  MANGA!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 07, 2019, 02:17:24 pm
If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?
No.

Incorrect, per the lawyer dude Elie on CNN. Will looks it up later, but he answered this exact question from a viewer: removal does mean he can't run again, but impeachment without conviction (removal) = can run again.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2019, 02:19:56 pm
I have an impeachment question.

If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?
well I think Jules is correct, but the timing would be tricky
as I think if we got 17 senators to flip, I think the earliest would be after the early primaries
I think he'd need to 're-register' and get tons of signatures in each state to get on the ballot for the GOP primary and some states have already canceled them
He could go 3rd party and given his base, there is a chance that he could pull that off

hoestly, there is a better chance of me winning the lottery than the GOP senators voting to convict him in the senate
even with some pretty damming evidence
he's still in the high 80's GOP voter support, unless that dipps below 60 I don't think we'll see many flips
They are going down with this ship (and lining their pockets with gold on the way down)

Edit... the Canadian seems to think that if convicted he can't run for president again?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 07, 2019, 02:30:01 pm
Legal analyst's name is Elie Honig. He does these Q & A columns on CNN. Can't look it up right now, will try to remember tonight.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2019, 02:35:04 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/06/an-impeached-convicted-trump-could-still-run-heres-how-stop-him/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 08, 2019, 11:10:53 am
Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney stood up Democrats in their impeachment inquiry, skipping his 9 a.m. deposition.

Good stuff
Tom🏳️‍🌈#ITMFA @tombuchberger
I'm pretty sure Mulvaney was afraid his face would melt off if someone brought out the Ark again.  #RaidersOfTheLostGOP

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI3al6HUcAATc7R?format=jpg&name=small)

Trump just love fucking with the news and the left...but you are never quite sure
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI3Ee7QX0AAeJRf?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 08, 2019, 05:43:09 pm
Why are Republicans hell-bent on exposing Trump whistleblower? (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-whistleblower-a/why-are-republicans-hell-bent-on-exposing-trump-whistleblower-idUSKBN1XI19Z)

Quote
Trump’s allies want to try to counter potentially damaging testimony by U.S. diplomats during next week’s public hearings by presenting the whistleblower as a partisan figure who helped Democrats launch an impeachment inquiry that had long been considered, according to House of Representatives Republican aides and strategists.

“The Republican issue with the whistleblower is that there seems to be an inherently political motive behind what he said and did and presented,” said a Republican Party official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

“It fits in the larger narrative that this has been a partisan effort from the beginning,” the official said.

...

Conservative news articles purporting to identify the whistleblower have sought to link the person with Joe Biden and “deep state” conspirators within the Obama administration who some Republicans say were determined to undermine Trump’s candidacy when he was running for office and later his presidency.

“They’re trying to define the impeachment hearings as political before they begin. It helps fire up the base and tries to tint the testimony before it actually takes place,” said Republican strategist Ron Bonjean.

DEFLECTION

Aides and strategists say the aim of the push to unmask the whistleblower is to deflect voter attention away from impeachment testimony and cast doubt on the Democratic-led proceedings.

“Republican voters want to stick with their tribe and defend the president, and they need something to go on. This gives strong Trump voters something to say when the actual request to Ukraine is indefensible,” said Republican strategist Rory Cooper, who was a top aide to former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 08, 2019, 08:08:15 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/73409371_2548687278501929_8887565702374883328_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQk8Tw3Nuzfq_N-hLNVeeWDUAlvQvm4XoU1mUctl0B1_bAfXJrKvZemyGwNWVF7Qz6s&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=46280064083a72d8ee958d619276a767&oe=5E47AA11)
 
now bill kristol is the voice of reason - great, just great...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 08, 2019, 08:55:50 pm
He was better in City Slickers.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2019, 09:19:06 pm
It has been interesting to see Kristol’s reaction

I would pay money to hear what Robert Novak, George Carlin and Gore Vidal would say....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2019, 11:30:11 am
so Candace Owens outed the whiselblower and has had 100k retweets...
I do like that most news outlets have republished this (I see Washington Examiner wanted clicks, so they did)

@RealCandaceO Nov 8
Please do not retweet this photo of the scam-whistleblower,


(not included the photo and name of alleged whislteblower )
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 13, 2019, 01:33:53 pm
DJT harassing a drag queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8&app=desktop
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2019, 02:24:18 pm
man he dug his face right into rudys melons
"can't say I didn't try'

god he's such a scumbag, not sure how these 'values voters' get behind this creep
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 13, 2019, 04:02:22 pm
It’s because they hate you so much
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2019, 04:25:14 pm
It’s because they hate you so much
I know, I can feel it in every ALL CAPS tweet
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2019, 04:30:27 pm
Rep. Peter Welch to Jim Jordan: "I'd say to my colleague, I'd be glad to have the person who started it all come in and testify. President Trump is welcome to take a seat right there."
nice burn!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 13, 2019, 05:24:02 pm
Gym Jordan?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 14, 2019, 03:09:14 am
in case anyone needed another reason to impeach this MF'er.... 

is everyone aware of the #MAGAchallenge?  if you aren't, here is your intro (https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1194704735896559617).

then, check out "School shooters, pedophiles, and vaccines / today is it really hard to be a teen" (https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1192882744461840384).

here is a good compilation (https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1192882744461840384).  or just jump into the whole #magachallenge tag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGAChallenge).

pro-tip: save this for when you have a moment to indulge... this is a rabbit hole that could take some time to get out of.  you've been warned.


"the ultimate self-own".
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 14, 2019, 09:44:09 am
in case anyone needed another reason to impeach this MF'er.... 

is everyone aware of the #MAGAchallenge?  if you aren't, here is your intro (https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1194704735896559617).

then, check out "School shooters, pedophiles, and vaccines / today is it really hard to be a teen" (https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1192882744461840384).

here is a good compilation (https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1192882744461840384).  or just jump into the whole #magachallenge tag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGAChallenge).

pro-tip: save this for when you have a moment to indulge... this is a rabbit hole that could take some time to get out of.  you've been warned.


"the ultimate self-own".

I started watching some of these while sitting at home on my couch and my dog started barking at it in a disturbed way.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 14, 2019, 01:46:43 pm
I started watching some of these while sitting at home on my couch and my dog started barking at it in a disturbed way.

your libtard dog just got owned by the alphas.  don't play their game, they can bark louder.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: nkotb on November 14, 2019, 02:06:05 pm
These are so good.

in case anyone needed another reason to impeach this MF'er.... 

is everyone aware of the #MAGAchallenge?  if you aren't, here is your intro (https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1194704735896559617).

then, check out "School shooters, pedophiles, and vaccines / today is it really hard to be a teen" (https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1192882744461840384).

here is a good compilation (https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1192882744461840384).  or just jump into the whole #magachallenge tag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGAChallenge).

pro-tip: save this for when you have a moment to indulge... this is a rabbit hole that could take some time to get out of.  you've been warned.


"the ultimate self-own".
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2019, 01:04:15 pm
Trump advisor Roger Stone has been found guilty on all charges!


I read today this and I don't know how this isn't out there every day.
I think the DNC should just take an ads out daily and just have this text on the screen for 30 seconds

Simple facts...
@brianklaas
Trump's campaign chair: felon
Trump's deputy campaign chair: felon
Trump's foreign policy adviser: felon
Trump's national security adviser: felon
Trump's personal lawyer: felon
Trump's longstanding political adviser: felon


you know a lot about a person by the company they keep
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on November 15, 2019, 02:54:18 pm
Drumpf advisor Roger Stone has been found guilty on all charges!


I read today this and I don't know how this isn't out there every day.
I think the DNC should just take an ads out daily and just have this text on the screen for 30 seconds

Simple facts...
@brianklaas
Drumpf's campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's deputy campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's foreign policy adviser: felon
Drumpf's national security adviser: felon
Drumpf's personal lawyer: felon
Drumpf's longstanding political adviser: felon


you know a lot about a person by the company they keep


DEEP
STATE
MANGA!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 15, 2019, 03:41:13 pm
Drumpf advisor Roger Stone has been found guilty on all charges!


I read today this and I don't know how this isn't out there every day.
I think the DNC should just take an ads out daily and just have this text on the screen for 30 seconds

Simple facts...
@brianklaas
Drumpf's campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's deputy campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's foreign policy adviser: felon
Drumpf's national security adviser: felon
Drumpf's personal lawyer: felon
Drumpf's longstanding political adviser: felon


you know a lot about a person by the company they keep


DEEP
STATE
MANGA!


did you mean Deep State comics (https://www.comixology.com/Deep-State/comics-series/28281)?

or, given that this is a (supposedly) music-related board, perhaps you were referring to Deep State/Tohoku Manga (https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Tohoku-Manga-Blabbermouth/dp/B07C2X5BW6)?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on November 15, 2019, 04:21:18 pm
Drumpf advisor Roger Stone has been found guilty on all charges!


I read today this and I don't know how this isn't out there every day.
I think the DNC should just take an ads out daily and just have this text on the screen for 30 seconds

Simple facts...
@brianklaas
Drumpf's campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's deputy campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's foreign policy adviser: felon
Drumpf's national security adviser: felon
Drumpf's personal lawyer: felon
Drumpf's longstanding political adviser: felon


you know a lot about a person by the company they keep


DEEP
STATE
MANGA!


did you mean Deep State comics (https://www.comixology.com/Deep-State/comics-series/28281)?

or, given that this is a (supposedly) music-related board, perhaps you were referring to Deep State/Tohoku Manga (https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Tohoku-Manga-Blabbermouth/dp/B07C2X5BW6)?

MANGEA!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 15, 2019, 05:59:16 pm
Drumpf advisor Roger Stone has been found guilty on all charges!


I read today this and I don't know how this isn't out there every day.
I think the DNC should just take an ads out daily and just have this text on the screen for 30 seconds

Simple facts...
@brianklaas
Drumpf's campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's deputy campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's foreign policy adviser: felon
Drumpf's national security adviser: felon
Drumpf's personal lawyer: felon
Drumpf's longstanding political adviser: felon


you know a lot about a person by the company they keep


DEEP
STATE
MANGA!


did you mean Deep State comics (https://www.comixology.com/Deep-State/comics-series/28281)?

or, given that this is a (supposedly) music-related board, perhaps you were referring to Deep State/Tohoku Manga (https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Tohoku-Manga-Blabbermouth/dp/B07C2X5BW6)?

MANGEA!

Mangea (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mangea)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on November 16, 2019, 11:23:17 am
Drumpf advisor Roger Stone has been found guilty on all charges!


I read today this and I don't know how this isn't out there every day.
I think the DNC should just take an ads out daily and just have this text on the screen for 30 seconds

Simple facts...
@brianklaas
Drumpf's campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's deputy campaign chair: felon
Drumpf's foreign policy adviser: felon
Drumpf's national security adviser: felon
Drumpf's personal lawyer: felon
Drumpf's longstanding political adviser: felon


you know a lot about a person by the company they keep


DEEP
STATE
MANGA!


did you mean Deep State comics (https://www.comixology.com/Deep-State/comics-series/28281)?

or, given that this is a (supposedly) music-related board, perhaps you were referring to Deep State/Tohoku Manga (https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Tohoku-Manga-Blabbermouth/dp/B07C2X5BW6)?

MANGEA!

Mangea (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mangea)

Okay, fine.

MANDALORIAN
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2019, 12:04:05 pm
Interesting morning tweet from our fearless leader...

@realDonaldTrump
Our Crazy, Do Nothing (where’s USMCA, infrastructure, lower drug pricing & much more?) Speaker of the House, Nervous Nancy Pelosi, who is petrified by her Radical Left knowing she will soon be gone (they & Fake News Media are her BOSS), suggested on Sunday’s DEFACE THE NATION........that I testify about the phony Impeachment Witch Hunt. She also said I could do it in writing. Even though I did nothing wrong, and don’t like giving credibility to this No Due Process Hoax, I like the idea & will, in order to get Congress focused again, strongly consider it!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 18, 2019, 02:23:25 pm
She also said I could do it in writing.

yeah, because that worked out so well last time:

Impeachment Investigators Exploring Whether Trump Lied to Mueller (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/us/politics/trump-mueller-impeachment.html)
As part of the Russia inquiry, President Trump had given written answers to questions from Robert S. Mueller III.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 18, 2019, 05:04:40 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74601250_2315744005194188_7137268771504259072_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQmLSy9tJtlpZUcJSA1PgTSmZGsfk_RSMJuC9VRVl-P8CKdqgkBGnGUzPf9jfmJMcpc&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=cb536c488bda5a14b1b06479e5a4bf87&oe=5E4CC7C8)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 20, 2019, 11:14:35 am
Anybody watching Sondland? Not sure how anybody could argue that this is boring...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2019, 11:25:47 am
Anybody watching Sondland? Not sure how anybody could argue that this is boring...
following via twitter and looking like Sondy is going rogue and spilling the beans
Pompeo is getting thrown under the bus

“Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’” “The answer is yes.” said Sondland, in his opening remarks Wednesday to impeachment investigators.


"Everyone was in the loop."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2019, 11:28:29 am
Riveting

Kudos to Schiff...the right man for these hearings
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2019, 11:38:02 am
This Sondland is an interesting chap

His testimony was super useful to democrats but his answers under cross examination seem evasive
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2019, 11:46:52 am
He is willing to throw everyone under the bus as long as it doesn’t open him up to perjury


He seems like a bit of a clown

Republicans are going to tear him apart...they have no choice...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2019, 11:56:37 am
This guy Sondland is kind of a joke

Kind of embarrassing that he is US Ambassador to the EU

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2019, 11:57:46 am
Interesting >bit of a clown>Kind of a joke


Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2019, 12:26:15 pm
ahh the internet never forgets

@realDonaldTrump
I would love to send Ambassador Sondland, a really good man and great American, to testify, but unfortunately he would be testifying before a totally compromised kangaroo court, where Republican’s rights have been taken away, and true facts are not allowed out for the public....
....to see.
Importantly, Ambassador Sondland’s tweet, which few report, stated, “I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind.” That says it ALL!

9:23 AM · Oct 8, 2019

“Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’” “The answer is yes.” said Sondland, in his opening remarks Wednesday to impeachment investigators.

man, october 8th seems like a century ago
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2019, 01:29:41 pm
Sondland's Bombshell Testimony: It Was a Quid Pro Quo, and Trump, Pence, and Pompeo Were in on It (https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/11/20/42050937/sondlands-bombshell-testimony-it-was-a-quid-pro-quo-and-trump-pence-and-pompeo-were-in-on-it)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on November 20, 2019, 02:00:52 pm
https://twitter.com/GettyImagesNews/status/1197202729334128642

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ1QvjgWkAIl4j9?format=jpg&name=small)

Also, I cannot spell Zelensky.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 20, 2019, 02:21:05 pm
Also, I cannot spell Zelensky.
You just know in his senility he thinks he's talking about Dan Aykroyd's character from Tommy Boy.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2019, 02:27:02 pm
https://twitter.com/GettyImagesNews/status/1197202729334128642

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ1QvjgWkAIl4j9?format=jpg&name=small)

Also, I cannot spell Zelensky.

wait, is this real?  i mean, it's gotta be 'shopped... but it's on GettyImages, so it must be real?  or nah?

gawd i can't wait for this presidency to be over. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 20, 2019, 02:31:46 pm
https://twitter.com/GettyImagesNews/status/1197202729334128642

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ1QvjgWkAIl4j9?format=jpg&name=small)

Also, I cannot spell Zelensky.

wait, is this real?  i mean, it's gotta be 'shopped... but it's on GettyImages, so it must be real?  or nah?

gawd i can't wait for this presidency to be over.
There was an article earlier this month that alleges he has very poor vision but refuses to wear reading glasses in public because of his ego/image and so the person who runs his twitter when he's in the Oval has to hand him print outs of potential tweets in, like, 48point-font for him to approve, which also the explains the "more pictures, less text" thing too.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 20, 2019, 04:34:11 pm
The big takeaway headline for today from Fox News:

FOLLOW LIVE: Sondland says Hunter Biden's board role clearly looks like 'conflict of interest'
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on November 20, 2019, 04:38:01 pm
Someone has to put this to music: "You can't have a quid pro quo, unless the Ukrainians know..."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2019, 06:38:22 pm
The big takeaway headline for today from Fox News:

FOLLOW LIVE: Sondland says Hunter Biden's board role clearly looks like 'conflict of interest'

so.  fucking.  frustrating.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on November 20, 2019, 07:41:18 pm
Fox News current headline:

"State Department Official says Ukraine not the only country to face US aid hold."

(So does that mean Trump is bribing other countries for his own gain too?)

Whereas CNN has it:

"Top Pentagon official undercuts GOP rebuttal."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 21, 2019, 11:24:01 am
Love me some Fiona hill

“Some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did NOT conduct a campaign against our country—and that perhaps, somehow...Ukraine did.

This is a FICTIONAL narrative that has been perpetrated...by the Russian security services.”



he's not denying what was said...in fact makes him look more like a slimy swamp creature

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
I have been watching people making phone calls my entire life. My hearing is, and has been, great. Never have I been watching a person making a call, which was not on speakerphone, and been able to hear or understand a conversation. I’ve even tried, but to no avail. Try it live!


Also, he's wrong, I have often overheard the other person on the phone.  Yes anecdotal, but what a weak defense
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 21, 2019, 01:44:20 pm
I think that the Dems should agree to a 'minority day of hearings' under the condition that people like Mulvaney, Pompeo and Bolten testify
They won't, so it would be easy to say "hey we totally were ok with doing your 'minority day of hearings'"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 21, 2019, 02:19:58 pm
Someone has to put this to music: "You can't have a quid pro quo, unless the Ukrainians know..."
you ask and the internet delivers

Trump's 'I Want Nothing' Rant Transformed Into Songs By The Ramones, Morrissey, and More (https://gizmodo.com/trumps-i-want-nothing-rant-transformed-into-songs-by-th-1839976421)

This morrissey one wins
https://twitter.com/BenJamminAsh/status/1197396744876761088
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 22, 2019, 01:53:27 pm
this could get interesting.....

John Bolton @AmbJohnBolton
We have now liberated the Twitter account, previously suppressed unfairly in the aftermath of my resignation as National Security Advisor.  More to come.....
10:31 AM · Nov 22, 2019



Although this seems to be the consensus on this
@MerrillLynched
John Bolton now free to plug his upcoming book while refusing to testify before the House Intelligence Committee.



update and the plot thickens....
"In full disclosure, the @WhiteHouse never returned access to my Twitter account. Thank you to @twitter for standing by their community standards and rightfully returning control of my account."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 22, 2019, 10:44:34 pm
the odds on this one must have been off the charts...but the word is...Lev Parnas is going to spill the beans on Devin
as he said...Fraud Guaranteed or my name ain't Lev Parnas

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKBj-ruX0AAex4r?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on November 23, 2019, 03:11:40 am
i'm sooooooooooooo hoing that lev & igor blow this mutha outta the watah.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: K8teebug on November 25, 2019, 04:06:28 pm
the odds on this one must have been off the charts...but the word is...Lev Parnas is going to spill the beans on Devin
as he said...Fraud Guaranteed or my name ain't Lev Parnas

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKBj-ruX0AAex4r?format=jpg&name=medium)

He turned over tapes.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: K8teebug on November 25, 2019, 04:07:32 pm
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/parnas-video-audio-photos-trump-giuliani-house-intelligence-committee

.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2019, 02:03:47 pm
this seems like big news...but probably won't happen
and maybe it will just be Mitch lobbing in softballs and not allowing dems to cross examine?

President Trump said in a press conference on Tuesday that he would like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Secretary of Energy Rick Perry and "many other people" to testify in a Senate trial if the House votes to approve articles of impeachment.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on December 06, 2019, 07:55:51 am
What do y'all think of this idea?

https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1202798564344311809
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on December 06, 2019, 10:14:28 am
Top news story on Fox News:

AOC called out after claiming Trump food-stamp revisions might have left her family 'starved'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-ocasio-cortez-misrepresents-trump-food-stamp-rule-family-starved
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 06, 2019, 10:19:05 am
Whatever


I like AOC more than Bernie or Warren

Interesting to contemplate whether she would have made a better candidate

1. Little comparative baggage
2. Knows how to communicate in a modern way
3. Young
4. Minority


I think democrats lose next year and she runs on 2024
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2019, 02:53:27 pm
Man Nikki is going full batshit crazy as of late, is she looking for another appointment in the Trump WH?

Nikki Haley says the Confederate flag was about "service, and sacrifice, and heritage" until Dylan Roof "hijacked" it


this one reminds me of the guy who showed up at Comet Ping Ping with gun
Man suspected of gunning down reputed mob boss mistook him as 'deep state' figure
The defense will claim that Anthony Comello was a Qanon conspiracy theorist when he shot Francesco "Franky Boy" Cali on Staten Island. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-suspected-gunning-down-reputed-mob-boss-mistook-him-deep-n1032331)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on December 06, 2019, 03:09:57 pm
Whatever


I like AOC more than Bernie or Warren

Interesting to contemplate whether she would have made a better candidate

1. Little comparative baggage
2. Knows how to communicate in a modern way
3. Young
4. Minority


I think democrats lose next year and she runs on 2024

Can she even run for president in 2024 if she's not turning 35 until three weeks before and election? She couldn't have been a candidate for 2020.

I'd be about as excited to vote of a 20something as I would a 70something.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 06, 2019, 03:30:11 pm
The future belongs to the young.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 10, 2019, 11:20:58 am
the moment we've been waiting for...

House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Trump on Tuesday morning, charging him with abuse of power in the Ukraine affair and obstruction of Congress.

Seems somewhat anticlimactic

We all know they could have a had a list of 100 items, but choose to keep it short and sweet as there is no faith the American public can understand complex things


and why can't an adult in the room take trumps phone away....
Read the Transcripts! “us” is a reference to USA, not me!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 10, 2019, 12:33:51 pm
isn't a little ironic (in the allanis way) that Trump is meeting with Lavrov as the articles of Impeachment are being read out
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 10, 2019, 02:58:31 pm
isn't a little ironic (in the allanis way) that Trump is meeting with Lavrov as the articles of Impeachment are being read out
Nice...
Molly Jong-Fast @MollyJongFast
So Sergey Lavrov is just changing the batteries in all the bugs in the oval?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 11, 2019, 12:13:34 pm
isn't a little ironic (in the allanis way) that Trump is meeting with Lavrov as the articles of Impeachment are being read out
Nice...
Molly Jong-Fast @MollyJongFast
So Sergey Lavrov is just changing the batteries in all the bugs in the oval?


I love how the Russians just throw Trump under the bus at any time its possible

Lavrov also met with Trump at the White House on Tuesday. Trump said in a tweet that they discussed election meddling. Lavrov, however, disputed the White House account telling reporters "we haven't even actually discussed elections."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 11, 2019, 05:01:49 pm
(https://imageproxy.themaven.net/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fmaven-user-photos%2Ftheintellectualist%2Fnews%2FmYU3wDD7m0KJ6-CkkxRXfQ%2FNdbmCLSO90qPqYBQ3FLr-w?w=684&q=40&h=359.67&auto=format&fit=crop&crop=focalpoint&fp-x=0.5&fp-y=0.5&fp-z=1&fp-debug=false)

Veteran Journalist: Trump Will Turn To ‘Judge’ Jeanine Pirro To Lead The FBI (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/veteran-journalist-trump-will-turn-to-judge-jeanine-pirro-to-lead-the-fbi-DgvAarJ5vUi4SOAJsjMFVg/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 11, 2019, 05:12:38 pm
kinda feel like that should have gone in the Onion thread...these are dark times
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 13, 2019, 12:06:39 pm
Today the House Judiciary Committee approved two articles of impeachment against President Trump — abuse of power and obstruction of Congress


Also Trump is breaks his previous record:
President Trump on Thursday set a personal record for use of Twitter in a single day since taking office, blasting out more than 120 tweets or retweets in 24 hours.

although I think that trump's caddy  Dan Scavino is possibly responsible for a lot of this
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2019, 11:31:47 am
BREAKING NEWS: Jim Jordan is wearing a suit jacket on the House floor

(https://external-preview.redd.it/JQTDG92Y8UUIUILOoY2_Xa3QqJUMyWacAik_PYCAOAQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=494e94223d52a330709c0611cbf4ef2ac68c746a)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 18, 2019, 12:56:10 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Jim Jordan is wearing a suit jacket on the House floor
So weird to see him out of his native garb of “shirtless in a sauna concealing multiple rapes”. Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2019, 05:36:15 pm
totally shallow of me...but I want to know more about Svetlana Parnas

page 42 of the 2012 catalog.
Here I thought Les had the hot wife....
although they were divorced in 2017....take a gander at the estranged wife of Igor Fruman...Yelyzaveta Liza Naumova
I think she was on the cover of the 2005 catalog!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 18, 2019, 06:24:13 pm
All the democrats who said impeachment would bring up all these revelations that would hurt Trump....


All the democrats who have been yelling about how we needed to impeach him since before the midterms....

All the democrats who said the result of the midterms meant we had to impeach

All the democrats who thought we would actually get a trial with some semblance of truth in the Senate which would push certain Republicans to find Trump guilty

All the democrats who after Trump was elected assured me Trump hated being President and would resign
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2019, 06:35:42 pm
I don't like the parroting of the 'been trying to impeach him since day 1' 

Maybe there were things since day one that people thought were impeachable
but all the stuff that this is about happened in the last 6 months...and we only heard about it because of the whistleblower in Sept
So that argument always drives me batty

I'm holding out a little hope that we can at least get a few R's to vote in favor of procedural stuff in the senate, so we can get some high ranking and in the middle of it individuals to speak under oath

Would love to see Lev, Rudy, Mick, Rick and Pompeo testify
that would be some good theater


but I'm not holding my breath

I'm still not convinced he won't resign at some point
especially if the polling goes crazy south in the battleground states
there is no way he wants a blowout

His exit will be interesting...wonder if he'll go in exile in Russia or Turkey or N Korea
I just hope the GOP doesn't put his face on mt rushmore or name a bunch of airports after him
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 18, 2019, 06:55:46 pm
I said since before the midterms and that is fact

You like many democrats are in denial and have been since Day 1

The odds of him having a third term are better than the odds of him being impeached
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on December 18, 2019, 07:35:52 pm
If the option is resigning and immediately facing criminal charges or keep on trucking even if the poll numbers go south, you're betting on the former? My wife wants what you're smoking!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 18, 2019, 07:46:54 pm
These people are nuts...what precludes Ivanka or Don Jr running for “President” with Trump as “VP”?

I will admit I think Trump had to be impeached after the Ukraine debacle but.....reluctantly
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2019, 09:49:31 pm
Welp they impeached him

Tulsi votes present🤪
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2019, 09:51:30 pm
? My wife wants what you're smoking!
Give me your fridge overflow and we can talk
I’ll hook your wife up
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 18, 2019, 10:47:24 pm
I really think Tulsi is trying to get a job on Fox News....she knows her political career is over...she can advance Putin’s agenda by playing the democrat who criticizes the democrats



Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 18, 2019, 11:26:07 pm
The odds of him having a third term are better than the odds of him being impeached

Well, he just got impeached, so...  ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 18, 2019, 11:31:18 pm
I meant removed from office by Senate following trial




Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on December 19, 2019, 10:05:46 am
After Trump suggests John Dingell is in hell, Rep. Debbie Dingell says: ‘My family’s still hurting’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/19/trump-john-dingell-debbie-dingell-hell-backlash/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 19, 2019, 10:06:54 am
went exactly as expected, but definitely seems to have landed poorly

Had to be done, will die in the senate, time to move on and pick a candidate

I just think it will drive cheto crazy as people introduce him as impeached president trump

There is no rule that they can't keep impeaching him if he breaks another law?? (which seems likely)

I do think we need to start another "maybe we should just **** trump thread" as we are 2 for 2 on that precognition
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 19, 2019, 12:13:12 pm
so I'm not sure I'm behind the "delay the delivery of impeachment articles to the Senate"  tactic
it is by no way going to make Mitch do something different
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 19, 2019, 12:15:35 pm
Pelosi for President!!

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 20, 2019, 12:39:43 am
so I'm not sure I'm behind the "delay the delivery of impeachment articles to the Senate"  tactic
it is by no way going to make Mitch do something different

no, but it'll deny trump and the GOP a platform to put their charade all over TV.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 20, 2019, 09:59:03 am
I do like this new hashtag  #IMPOTUS
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 20, 2019, 05:56:38 pm
this guy is really too much

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Nancy Pelosi is looking for a Quid Pro Quo with the Senate. Why aren’t we Impeaching her?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 27, 2019, 02:58:51 pm
Umm...did Jason Narducy just name drop Bearman!
and did our very own bearman read the articles of impeachment on the House fucking floor!

holy fucking shit!
that's amazing
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 27, 2019, 07:37:48 pm
I think Bearman just locked up boardie of the year
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2020, 01:26:16 pm
the walrus speaks
https://www.boltonpac.com/2020/01/statement-of-john-r-bolton/

I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify.
 Ambassador John Bolton
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2020, 01:29:19 pm
Am pretty sure Senate Republicans will never subpoena him so it’s a moot point
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2020, 01:50:41 pm
Am pretty sure Senate Republicans will never subpoena him so it’s a moot point
Exactly.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2020, 03:28:36 pm
Am pretty sure Senate Republicans will never subpoena him so it’s a moot point
Exactly.
trust me I'm aware of that....hope is eternal!

this was a good response
Matthew Miller @matthewamiller
Bolton’s decision is both welcome and galling. If a subpoena issued by the Republican Senate is valid and doesn’t require him to go to court, so is one issued by the Democratic House. Subpoenas aren’t printed on red or blue paper.


please update me if I am wrong (which I'm sure you'll do) ....the House never actually Subpoenaed Bolton
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 06, 2020, 03:32:45 pm
please update me if I am wrong (which I'm sure you'll do) ....the House never actually Subpoenaed Bolton

correct.  dems subpoenaed his deputy and he went to court to fight it (or, more generously, asked the courts to decide on congress vs. white house).  bolton indicated that he would do the same, dems decided they didn't have time for protracted court battles, so they didn't bother trying to compel bolton.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2020, 03:40:30 pm
please update me if I am wrong (which I'm sure you'll do) ....the House never actually Subpoenaed Bolton

correct.  dems subpoenaed his deputy and he went to court to fight it (or, more generously, asked the courts to decide on congress vs. white house).  bolton indicated that he would do the same, dems decided they didn't have time for protracted court battles, so they didn't bother trying to compel bolton.
FTFY
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Ardamus on January 06, 2020, 04:43:15 pm
We get what our electoral college decided for us. And they decided to give us a demagogue. SMDH.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2020, 05:31:10 pm
We get what our electoral college decided for us. And they decided to give us a demagogue. SMDH.
he'll be back for season 3 of Stranger Things
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Ardamus on January 06, 2020, 05:56:46 pm
We get what our electoral college decided for us. And they decided to give us a demagogue. SMDH.
he'll be back for season 3 of Stranger Things

welp time to cancel my Netflix and borrow someone else's password for their account then
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2020, 06:10:37 pm
We get what our electoral college decided for us. And they decided to give us a demagogue. SMDH.
he'll be back for season 3 of Stranger Things

welp time to cancel my Netflix and borrow someone else's password for their account then
I think you missed the joke...but there is always Goop to wait for
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Ardamus on January 06, 2020, 08:02:39 pm
We get what our electoral college decided for us. And they decided to give us a demagogue. SMDH.
he'll be back for season 3 of Stranger Things

welp time to cancel my Netflix and borrow someone else's password for their account then
I think you missed the joke...but there is always Goop to wait for

I got it..I think...you threw me off track and reminded me I have too many monthly subscriptions to streaming sites...regardless...orange toupee guy is evil
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2020, 10:43:03 am
Am pretty sure Senate Republicans will never subpoena him so it’s a moot point
Exactly.
trust me I'm aware of that....hope is eternal!
I will say, Pelosi was given a hard time for delaying to deliver to the senate...with Bolton's statement I think we are waay more likely to now see Collins, Romney, Gardner and Murkowski say "I think we should hear Bolton speak before rushing to judgement"
He's not going to get removed, but the optics will be really bad
although starting WWIII was a great tactical move on their part

I wish Bolton's book would get published sooner, he wants to get a best seller and an a senate performance will send sales through the roof
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2020, 03:24:13 pm
whoa...wasn't expecting this
McConnell to move ahead on Senate trial rules without Democrats
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 10, 2020, 05:08:30 pm
Am pretty sure Senate Republicans will never subpoena him so it’s a moot point
welp, just in case, trump as a plan for this
Trump tells Fox that he would consider invoking executive privilege to block John Bolton’s testimony before the Senate “for the sake of the office.”

Seems the the actions of an innocent person...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2020, 06:28:16 pm
whops ....put that in the wrong thread
ok people...this is on the books
Senate impeachment trial to start next Tuesday

but this kind of shit is crazy that people are going to let this happen...no photos or audio!
 (doesn't the camera have audio and we can take stills...so not 100% true)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EORkc-OWsAI6ubh?format=jpg&name=large)

and new stuff too! (see this is why Nancy waited a little bit...)

BREAKING: Schiff transmits new evidence to Nadler that will be included as part of the official record handed to the Senate for the impeachment trial.

Disclosure includes documents produced by Lev Parnas.


Lev...is going to save our democracy!

and the perfect response to this...
The Hoarse Whisperer @HoarseWisperer
I just heard the Law & Order noise in my head...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2020, 06:40:46 pm
whoa...look even Lev doesn't like Lanny Davis!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EORnwJDXkAM0CGz?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 15, 2020, 05:04:22 pm
this could be interesting
 Lev Parnas sitting down with @maddow for an exclusive interview, airing tonight at 9pm on @MSNBC
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 15, 2020, 10:22:15 pm
this could be interesting
 Lev Parnas sitting down with @maddow for an exclusive interview, airing tonight at 9pm on @MSNBC

yowza...listened to this via audio only and it's insane
I'm sure they will spend the next week discrediting him but he's got names, dates, players, places and documents to back it up
...even them fucking with the Ukraine withholding a Pence visit, so lame and mob-like
then Bolton gets a direct line in the middle of this
the masha hit

this is an insider
bombshell isn't a subtle description



Sam Stein@samstein
Let me save you all the time.

Tomorrow senate republicans will say one of three things:

-they didn't see the Parnas interview
-you can't trust a man who is in legal jeopardy
-if he was such an important witness to call then House Ds should have waited for him before impeaching
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2020, 09:59:23 am
Finally Ukraine is getting off it's lazy ass and doing a investigation after all...
...of teamTrump

Christopher Miller @ChristopherJM
BREAKING: Ukraine's Interior Ministry announces criminal probe into alleged illegal surveillance of former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch after text messages released by House investigators showed Robert F. Hyde and Lev Parnas discussing her being tracked in Kyiv.



Oh and I'd like to check my hubris in from last night...even though we have the receipts of the crimes...won't make a difference for the GOP
they are going down with the ship no matter what
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2020, 02:13:06 pm
While I believe much of what he said, the real problem with a guy like Lev Parnas is that he is going to be very, very easy to discredit.  They probably won't even have to make shit up.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2020, 02:19:55 pm
While I believe much of what he said, the real problem with a guy like Lev Parnas is that he is going to be very, very easy to discredit.  They probably won't even have to make shit up.
100% agree...all the arguments we had to smear rudy/trump (Kellyanne called his company Fraud inc....but I'm sure she knew the real name)

I do love how all these people (trump, nunes, mcarthy, Kellyann) were all like...who is this guy
and then he produces tons of selfies with them
Nunes should be in deep dog doo...did he lie on the house floor? (guess he wasn't under oath)

since there is a part 2 to this interview...there are a few bombshells left to drop!

Can you believe Susan Collins....'see you rushed, why didn't you use this in your case'  ummm...you guys tried to block him, then the actual evidence we're talking about came AFTER they finished

Oh so totally innocent now, I see how this works
the aftermath of Trump on the GOP could last a generation...or he could be reelected and we'll have Trump family dynasty for the next 20 years
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2020, 02:42:56 pm
God...Susan Collins

What a joke



It’s unbelievable how much garbage concentrates around Trump...you would think his supporters would make the connection
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2020, 02:54:05 pm
It’s unbelievable how much garbage concentrates around Trump...you would think his supporters would make the connection
I think the reason his supporters like Trump...is they don't have to think
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2020, 03:08:01 pm
Or maybe his supporters are also garbage
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: nkotb on January 16, 2020, 03:10:37 pm
DING DING DING

Or maybe his supporters are also garbage
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2020, 03:13:17 pm
Two full hours of Lev Parnas tonight!

Anderson Cooper 8:00 EST
Rachel Maddow 9:00 EST
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 17, 2020, 11:17:18 am
@RexHuppke
Fun Fact: If you say “I don’t know Lev Parnas” out loud, his lawyer will tweet out a photo of you posing with Parnas.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 17, 2020, 12:12:40 pm
@RexHuppke
Fun Fact: If you say “I don’t know Lev Parnas” out loud, his lawyer will tweet out a photo of you posing with Parnas.

Pam bondi get's name to Trump's defense team

boom....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOfsq8JWoAMCg4K?format=jpg&name=small)
not the only pic

Joseph A. Bondy is killing it!

this was great
@TomKessenich
He's the Forrest Gump of Republican crime.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 17, 2020, 01:09:15 pm
also...am I the only one who isn't a little bummed that Rudy didn't make the TeamTrump legal team cut
that would have been epic
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 20, 2020, 12:18:14 pm
so the person who took Fiona Hill's job...Andrew Peek,  was escorted from the White House grounds on Friday and will not be attending Davos

ya know...picking the 'best people'
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"One of Trump's top Iran advisors got suckered into a honey trap, had their laptop/iPhone stolen and hacked before they woke up, and the White House refused to take precautionary measures regarding their security clearance.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 20, 2020, 02:37:25 pm
My father in law and partner are in total denial...as most democrats...that there will be a fair trial with witnesses and it will sway the American people
Geezus three years into Trump and people still thinking like it’s 2015
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 20, 2020, 04:05:07 pm
My father in law and partner are in total denial...as most democrats...that there will be a fair trial with witnesses and it will sway the American people
Geezus three years into Trump and people still thinking like it’s 2015

there will be no fair trial.  the best we can hope for is that (some) republicans will pay a price for this sham.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 21, 2020, 01:53:48 pm
the best we can hope for is that (some) republicans will pay a price for this sham.

Like the Merrick Garland sham?  They're playing by a different set of rules and their base does not care.  They encourage it even.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2020, 02:13:03 pm
the best we can hope for is that (some) republicans will pay a price for this sham.

Like the Merrick Garland sham?  They're playing by a different set of rules and their base does not care.  They encourage it even.
there base is lost and we shouldn't care
we need to grab the attention to every eligible voter not in that base...especially in the battle ground states

this 2 x 12 hour days is f'ed up
these are old people
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 21, 2020, 02:14:26 pm
the best we can hope for is that (some) republicans will pay a price for this sham.

Like the Merrick Garland sham?  They're playing by a different set of rules and their base does not care.  They encourage it even.

correct, but i'm talking about the 5%-8% of voters in middle that actually decide elections.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2020, 02:36:56 pm
this 2 x 12 hour days is f'ed up
these are old people
update....
@sarahdwire
McConnell has changed his resolution to allow each side to present over 3 days, instead of 2.

That is the difference between ending at 9 pm and ending at 1 a.m.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2020, 03:57:28 pm
this is a great way to present the argument...and to scare the shit out of the GOP enablers

National Security Counselors @NatlSecCnslrs
I'm going to make a point that hopefully no MAGA person will fail to understand. You remember the 2nd half of the Lion King? You're the hyenas. Trump is Scar. He's in charge, & you helped put him there. But remember the last thing he said to Simba. He blamed it all on the hyenas.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2020, 04:09:36 pm
so is Pat Cipollone under oath?
He is lying ...says no republicans were present in the sciff
100% a lie
but is there any consequence for that?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2020, 04:24:35 pm
I do like how Schiff can just riff off the cuff and make great arguments
he responded to all the crazy thing Pat and Jay said and showed how they were lyingmistaken ( is how shiff said it)

also love their use of video footage of Trump saying ridiculous things as well a key things from the inquiry

lastly...I'd like to laud schiff for getting  “ass backwards" on the record for all posterity
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 22, 2020, 11:54:39 am
ok important impeachment stuff here

So if they put a spittton out there...would it be in bad taste to use it?
Would love to see Schiff hock a big lugie in there...although the optics if he missed and hit pat cipollone would be TV gold
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200121200812-08-day-1-impeachement-trial-sketches-spittoon-184526-exlarge-169.jpg)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/politics/impeachment-trial-sketches/index.html

also rubio has a fancy pen
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200121200910-06-day-1-impeachement-trial-sketches-rubio-184336-exlarge-169.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 24, 2020, 02:59:40 pm
so I'm getting a little impeachment-weary...I think the GOP was hoping for this

can't believe NO ONE here has any thoughts/commentary on the goings-on
is anyone even paying attention?

did you hear about the 'tapes' that came out today
Trump has claimed he doesn't know Parnas, but here he is having a lenghty and detailed conversation (you don't have those with people who come up for a photo op)
apparently giving him a direct order to "get rid of" a U.S. ambassador

but even with the audio...likely nothing will change their minds

He lies about facts and the GOP/Base don't care even if it's proven
so hard to work with that

parphrasing Rick Wilsons...."you can never shame trump, he will never apologize or care You look weak trying to get him to do so."
I don't know if any of the democrats have it in them to play dirty pool with this guy, but I think it's come down to that as he's not getting impeached

Lastly...there is no doubt in Trumps glorious past there are a number of women who he paid for their abortions.  This is a man who likes to go bareback with porn stars!  I really would love to see some one come forward and show documentation that they were made to or the doctor provided an abortion for trump....right before his MarchForLife appearance
yes we can't shame him...but those people would be a little miffed to hear/see that
and the schadenfreude would be delicious
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: K8teebug on January 24, 2020, 03:40:35 pm
I am paying attention and have listened to alot of it so far.

I think the GOP are a bunch of fucks. That's pretty much my takeaway. Party over country over democracy and they should all be ashamed of themselves and I can't wait until they're all voted the fuck out of office.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: K8teebug on January 24, 2020, 03:44:36 pm
Also it should not be called a trial. It should be called Impeachment opening and closing arguments.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 24, 2020, 04:05:04 pm
I stopped watching soap operas years ago. 

Somewhere back in the archive of this board I told you why they shouldn't do it and how it had zero chance of success.  You simply chose not to listen.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 24, 2020, 04:10:39 pm
How are we supposed to work a full time job AND pay close attention to the hearings?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 24, 2020, 04:51:15 pm
Somewhere back in the archive of this board I told you why they shouldn't do it and how it had zero chance of success.  You simply chose not to listen.
Wait, are you under the impression one or more of us are Democratic Congressmen?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 24, 2020, 05:12:29 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 24, 2020, 07:57:23 pm
I stopped watching soap operas years ago. 
I guess the frustrating part for me
the amount of damning evidence that has come out in public after Sept/Oct time frame...it's kinda mindblowing

Are you implying leadership knew about the photos, emails, texts, audio, TV confessions, GAO indictment...and that was already in their Calculus in September, when this train really left the station

One could say that Nancy knew most of that in early Dec tho

But you are right, we know how this movie ends...
Not sure how I look in the mirror and just shrug it off

My only hope is out of all this is that I act ...dedicating time and $$ in 2020
the clock and the wallet, formidable foes
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 24, 2020, 08:29:55 pm
Exactly...I was against impeachment for a long time but it got to a point that ignoring it would have in it of itself been dereliction

On the other hand you could say unless something dramatic changes impeachment is no longer viable unless you have the overwhelming majority in both houses and failing to vote to remove him means the President can basically do anything

So it’s a very steep price to pay on principle

How about Schiff though? Love him.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 25, 2020, 10:26:28 am
failing to vote to remove him means the President can basically do anything

So it’s a very steep price to pay on principle

How about Schiff though? Love him.
This does really scare me
 Can you imagine all the gloating and victory laps they will do

I this schiff is a great orator and can think on his feet
almost thinking he should have run in 2020
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 25, 2020, 11:03:31 am
He couldn’t run and handle impeachment....I think he is the right person in the right place at the right time

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 26, 2020, 11:39:57 pm
bolton with his draft book release is such a tease...intentionally fucking with us
I can't believe he's playing with the future of our republic over making some money on a book deal
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 27, 2020, 12:32:17 am
I can't believe he's playing with the future of our republic over making some money on a book deal

What do you mean? This is in perfect keeping with the current administration.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 27, 2020, 01:36:12 pm
I this schiff is a great orator and can think on his feet
almost thinking he should have run in 2020

Schiff's strength in his argument comes from the fact that he is not doing this for personal gain, but for the good of the Republic.  If he were running, it would be attacked as self-serving and they likely wouldn't have chosen him.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: nkotb on January 27, 2020, 04:11:42 pm
Frantic Hatch name changes today lol
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 27, 2020, 04:51:23 pm
Frantic Hatch name changes today lol
slo-news day
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 27, 2020, 05:43:33 pm
Frantic Hatch name changes today lol
slo-news day

I do enjoy that it took him profiteering on his experience in this administration for you to change your screen name to Bolton is a Prick.  He's always been like this....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 27, 2020, 05:48:59 pm
I agree...Bolton is awful..,.,we are lucky as a world that Trump shitcanned him


And depending on Bolton to impeach Trump is as stupid as depending on felons voting to win elections
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 27, 2020, 05:53:11 pm
Frantic Hatch name changes today lol
slo-news day

I do enjoy that it took him profiteering on his experience in this administration for you to change your screen name to Bolton is a Prick.  He's always been like this....
I never liked him...and after reading all the stuff that he'd already submitted the draft copy in Dec and I'm pretty sure Team Trump was reading it the whole time  (notice trump bombed the general 4 days later)
and I was warned to not hold out hope

I will say this...word on the street is even if Bolton himself doesn't give any useful testimony...he moved the dial on hearing from witnesses much further than the whole Dem defense team


... is as stupid as depending on felons voting to win elections
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I'm telling you...Felons in Florida for the FUTURE!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 28, 2020, 06:07:02 pm
So breaking news about the trial.....

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) was chided by staff for bringing a bottle of chocolate milk onto the Senate floor, which is against the chamber's rules. Per the Wall Street Journal, Romney returned to the floor with the chocolate milk poured into a glass.

I always pictured him as a white milk kinda guy
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: WALKonBack on January 28, 2020, 06:45:23 pm
Once, you go chocolate . . . .
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on January 29, 2020, 05:37:00 pm
I read one book by Alan D.  It was titled: Chutzpah.


From the WaPo.

Dershowitz argues that a president is immune if he views his reelection as in the public interest
Drumpf attorney Alan Dershowitz, responding to a question from Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) about whether it matters if there was a quid pro quo, argued that it didn’t if the president believed he was acting in the nation’s interest.

And, Dershowitz said, Drumpf believes that him staying president is in the public’s interest.

Every public official, Dershowitz said, “believes that his election is in the public interest. If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment.”

Dershowitz said it shouldn’t be impeachable for a president to think, “I’m a great president; I think I’m the greatest president there ever was; if I’m not elected, the national interest will suffer greatly,” and act accordingly.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 29, 2020, 05:45:10 pm
This is an insane take. It’s literally a half step away from “it’s in the public’s best interest that I order the military to arrest opponent politicians.”
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 29, 2020, 05:45:21 pm
^ whoa...that is just delusional, but if he got OJ and Epistien off...he's the man to sell the insanity

(Challenged's post not julians)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: nkotb on January 29, 2020, 05:54:57 pm
Weird...I thought Epstein got him off

^ whoa...that is just delusional, but if he got OJ and Epistien off...he's the man to sell the insanity

(Challenged's post not julians)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 29, 2020, 05:59:50 pm
 "I kept my underwear on during the massage. I don't like massages particularly."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on January 29, 2020, 06:04:01 pm
"I kept my underwear on during the massage. I don't like massages particularly."

(https://www.sott.net/image/s27/554259/full/fill_661x496.jpg)

  https://www.sott.net/article/427949-Satirical-historic-landmark-plaque-for-Alan-Dershowitz-added-to-Epsteins-former-UES-mansion  (https://www.sott.net/article/427949-Satirical-historic-landmark-plaque-for-Alan-Dershowitz-added-to-Epsteins-former-UES-mansion)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 29, 2020, 06:14:17 pm
The man gets paid.  That's all he's ever cared about.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 29, 2020, 06:38:49 pm
Weird...I thought Epstein got him off

i thought it was underage girls...

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Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 29, 2020, 06:52:33 pm
This is an insane take. It’s literally a half step away from “it’s in the public’s best interest that I order the military to arrest opponent politicians.”

better yet: "Biden is an obstacle to my second term, and i believe that a second term is in the public interest, therefore by murdering biden i am serving the public interest."  DONE.

he's already stated he believes he can shoot someone on 5th Ave... it's not like we haven't been warned.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on January 29, 2020, 07:46:51 pm
This is an insane take. It’s literally a half step away from “it’s in the public’s best interest that I order the military to arrest opponent politicians.”

better yet: "Biden is an obstacle to my second term, and i believe that a second term is in the public interest, therefore by murdering biden i am serving the public interest."  DONE.

he's already stated he believes he can shoot someone on 5th Ave... it's not like we haven't been warned.

You are, unfortunately, making a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 30, 2020, 12:43:30 am
Is this sham over yet?

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 30, 2020, 10:21:58 am
Is this sham over yet?
this question section is lunacy...doesn't do anything for either side
Although those dersch comments should be every political campaign add for the next 8 months
Did you hear that Rand tried to us his question get JR to say the whistle blowers name...at least JR had some principle and it was rejected
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: challenged on January 30, 2020, 11:15:16 am
Is this sham over yet?
this question section is lunacy...doesn't do anything for either side
Although those dersch comments should be every political campaign add for the next 8 months
Did you hear that Rand tried to us his question get JR to say the whistle blowers name...at least JR had some principle and it was rejected

Hey, all good now, Dersch denies he said what he said.

 https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1222893488733188097   (https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1222893488733188097)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 30, 2020, 10:58:29 pm
This almost, ALMOST, made it worth it for me.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/480799-warren-puts-justice-roberts-in-awkward-spot-with-supreme-court-legitimacy

It will be played over, and over again in the annals of history ..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 02:59:19 pm
what a sham...all the evidence is going to come out...we just have to wait
Murkowski to vote no on witnesses,

I'm a little shocked that all these senators want to die on this hill of stupidity and crime
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: nkotb on January 31, 2020, 03:00:02 pm
what if we… started treating our government… like the fascist, authoritarian state it is.. aha ha, just kidding.. unless..?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 31, 2020, 03:08:09 pm
If anyone died on this hill it’s the democrats right?


Thank you to the progressive wing of the party who pushed as hard as they could for impeachment

They kept saying in impeachment it would be different


Same folks who argue Bernie or Warren can win Virginia


Delusional
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 31, 2020, 03:13:55 pm
News flash for democrats:


Continually losing sort of feeds itself...people prefer winning and winners


Kavanaugh, maybe, should have been enough of a lesson

Folks we may be right but we don’t have the votes!!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 03:26:05 pm
If anyone died on this hill it’s the democrats right?
you are not wrong

I just would like to believe when the evidence comes out
But we ultimately already know almost the entire story...so does testimony under oath and on camera matter?
To a certain degree I hoped that the American voter would be angry that a well documented trail of corruption occurred and the President clearly obstructed any effort to investigate something (that he's clearly guilty of)

but I also know that the American public has the memory of a goldfish and this is too complex for them to understand

He will just read the Tweet "congress acquits Trump" and people will not dig deeper

The focus should be on the winable votes in the battle ground states...
I still think the house should continue to open cases and investigations and just keep putting it out in sunlight
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 31, 2020, 03:28:27 pm
Impeachment didn’t fail cause of 50 senators but because most Americans didn’t give a rip....until you get that it’s pretty hopeless; after all elections are not about what YOU or I want but about what the American people want

I love this bullshit about hey I took ten seconds on Facebook to take a quiz and my views align with Bernie so Bernie or bust!

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 31, 2020, 03:32:29 pm
If anyone died on this hill it’s the democrats right?
you are not wrong

I just would like to believe when the evidence comes out
But we ultimately already know almost the entire story...so does testimony under oath and on camera matter?
To a certain degree I hoped that the American voter would be angry that a well documented trail of corruption occurred and the President clearly obstructed any effort to investigate something (that he's clearly guilty of)

but I also know that the American public has the memory of a goldfish and this is too complex for them to understand

He will just read the Tweet "congress acquits Trump" and people will not dig deeper

The focus should be on the winable votes in the battle ground states...
I still think the house should continue to open cases and investigations and just keep putting it out in sunlight

And the “winnable” voters will you think go for Bernie and Warren or Biden and Bloomberg ?

Bernie people really need to wake the fuck up

There is no fucking way on earth Bernie wins Virginia....zero
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 31, 2020, 03:37:07 pm
This should not be about picking the Democrat candidate your views most align with but picking the Democrat candidate that can defeat Trump and save the Republic or what’s left of it.

Anything else is sheer idiocy at this point.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: shemptiness on January 31, 2020, 03:44:50 pm
This should not be about picking the Democrat candidate your views most align with but picking the Democrat candidate that can defeat Trump and save the Republic or what’s left of it.

Anything else is sheer idiocy at this point.

And that person would be...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 31, 2020, 03:52:27 pm
This should not be about picking the Democrat candidate your views most align with but picking the Democrat candidate that can defeat Trump and save the Republic or what’s left of it.

Anything else is sheer idiocy at this point.

And that person would be...

The white guy with the black guy name...

Sherrod Brown
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 04:10:42 pm
The white guy with the black guy name...

Sherrod Brown
I should know more about this guy
they had him on the Wilderness podcast and I'm a big fan now

he knows how to get the vote out too, wining in a fairly red state
he won reelection in a state that voted for Trump by an 8 point margin
Now it was 2018...but still
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 31, 2020, 04:14:30 pm
Biden and Bloomberg are barring some crazy events the only hope

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 31, 2020, 06:00:17 pm
"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office."
- Marco Rubio (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/marco-rubio-donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/index.html)


discuss, and/or throw up.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 06:09:00 pm
discuss, and/or throw up.
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Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: nkotb on January 31, 2020, 06:11:49 pm
it so easy to overlook Rubio among the hogs in the GOP, but he's an under-rated top tier scumbag
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 31, 2020, 07:09:54 pm
"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office."
- Marco Rubio (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/marco-rubio-donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/index.html)


discuss, and/or throw up.

Coincidentally, I used the word "puke" when i sent this story to my wife earlier today.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2020, 07:10:12 pm
The U.S. Senate has voted to block any witness testimony or new documents in Trump's impeachment trial.

The final vote: 49 YEA - 51 NAY.

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Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 31, 2020, 10:50:54 pm
The U.S. Senate has voted to block any witness testimony or new documents in Trump's impeachment trial.

The final vote: 49 YEA - 51 NAY.

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I don't understand why there aren't tens of thousands storming the Capital over this.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 31, 2020, 11:51:16 pm
"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office."
- Marco Rubio (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/marco-rubio-donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/index.html)


discuss, and/or throw up.

This is the problem. Nobody has any idea what the hell "impeachment" actually means.

Marco Rubio is 100% correct:

"Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official."

Impeachment does not in itself remove the official definitively from office; it is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official.

This was doomed to fail from the start because even smart Americans (and Canadians) did not understand what they were getting into and could not effectively manage their expectations. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 31, 2020, 11:56:15 pm
I don't understand why there aren't tens of thousands storming the Capital over this.

Post your photo of you at the steps of the Capitol in Mass protest.

Bonus points if you tell us what song is playing.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 05, 2020, 06:09:58 pm
Welp... we knew this how it would end
Senate acquits Trump

At least mitt had a spine
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on February 05, 2020, 06:52:49 pm
2020 Presidential Election Odds Tracker

Candidate          Jan. 7  1/14 1/21  1/29    Feb. 4/Feb. 5
Donald Trump   -115   -145   -140   -135    -140 / -150
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 05, 2020, 07:16:53 pm
2020 Presidential Election Odds Tracker

Candidate          Jan. 7  1/14 1/21  1/29    Feb. 4/Feb. 5
Donald Trump   -115   -145   -140   -135    -140 / -150
So is it like golf or bowling
is a high score good or bad
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on February 05, 2020, 09:28:00 pm
2020 Presidential Election Odds Tracker

Candidate          Jan. 7  1/14 1/21  1/29    Feb. 4/Feb. 5
Donald Trump   -115   -145   -140   -135    -140 / -150
So is it like golf or bowling
is a high score good or bad

Same question. I have no idea what those numbers mean.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 05, 2020, 10:12:13 pm
Yes, lower is better. A -150 line basically means you must wager $150 to win $100. On the other hand, a +150 would mean you’d wager $100 to win $150.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on February 06, 2020, 06:54:41 pm
What do we think Sidehatch does all day now that the show is over?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 06, 2020, 10:23:18 pm
What do we think Sidehatch does all day now that the show is over?

It had a few inspirational scenes of patriotic action, some evil dudes and a few dum, dum dummmm moments

I laughed, I cried, I angry tweeted. 

I liked it better than cats....
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 29, 2020, 08:03:17 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/vszK85z/trump-fucking-flag.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 04:47:34 pm
^turns out that flag now has tested positive for Covid


can one of the forum legal experts weigh in on this...I don't know if this is good or bad
 The full federal Court of Appeals in D.C. has *vacated* the ruling against the House in the MCGAHN case and agreed to rehear the matter.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 02, 2020, 09:09:26 am
not that it was OK before...but this is insane that our president acts like this in these crisis times

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Somebody please explain to Cryin’ Chuck Schumer
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on April 02, 2020, 09:15:32 am
should be impeached, arrested and hung for treason...live on FOX
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Yada on April 02, 2020, 10:45:55 am
should be impeached, arrested and hung for treason...live on FOX

would watch.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2020, 09:32:45 am
Where his focus it this morning...
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!


What is he saying here???
I thought you weren't supposed to go towards the light
What if you are in a train tunnel

wait, we need to start criticizing the press because they have poor ad revenue?
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Advertising in the Failing New York Times is WAY down. Washington Post is not much better. I can’t say whether this is because they are Fake News sources of information, to a level that few can understand, or the Virus is just plain beating them up. FakeFOX News is bad for America!


FTFY

Aaron Rupar @atrupar
first ballot Chyron Hall of Fame

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Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2020, 11:05:06 am
so I'm getting a little impeachment-weary...I think the GOP was hoping for this

did you hear about the 'tapes' that came out today
Trump has claimed he doesn't know Parnas, but here he is having a lenghty and detailed conversation (you don't have those with people who come up for a photo op)
apparently giving him a direct order to "get rid of" a U.S. ambassador

this slipped through the cracks...Parnasus trial moved from before the election...to after the election
Trial for Giuliani associate Lev Parnas pushed to next year (https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/492915-trial-for-giuliani-associate-lev-parnas-pushed-to-next-year)

The trial postponement pushes court proceedings to after Election Day instead of less than a month before voters cast their ballots.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on June 24, 2020, 01:15:11 pm
was this predictable, or was this predictable?

Appeals court orders judge to dismiss Michael Flynn case
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/michael-flynn-dismiss/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/michael-flynn-dismiss/index.html)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 17, 2020, 12:29:00 pm
"Well we did interact and he was always there and he was, you know, he wasn't a jealous person he was a very smart guy, but he wasn't, you know, he would be there and he'd be behind me and if I became, I had the number one show, if I had big success, and no matter what I did, whether it was real estate deals or anything else he was right there, in many cases helped very much with whatever I did and then when I became president he was I think one of the most loyal people, he, there was no jealousy, you know, a lot of times in families, I hate to say it, but there's jealousy and especially among children, and among children that are competitive children, is because he was very competitive. There was not an ounce of jealousy, he'd go around talking about how great this is for the country and it's so incredible and he was my biggest fan, people would tell me all the time, I spoke to your brother and your brother was always so thrilled, and so thrilled at what was happening, and what was happening for the country. He was so angry with China, because of what happened where the plague came in and they shouldn't have allowed it to happen, they could have stopped it, he was so upset by that, it was he couldn't, more than people would be upset. A lot of people have already forgotten, and you can't forget. But he was a fantastic guy."
-- Donald Trump on the death of his brother, Robert.

^ doesn't that constitute an impeachable crime?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2020, 12:39:34 pm

^ doesn't that constitute an impeachable crime?
In that he can't talk coherently?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 17, 2020, 01:18:07 pm

^ doesn't that constitute an impeachable crime?
In that he can't talk coherently?

i was thinking more along the lines of complete lack of empathy, utter self-centeredness, and generally inability to summon a normal human emotion.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on August 17, 2020, 01:20:08 pm
No that’s not impeachable



It’s pretty astounding though...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2020, 10:42:46 am
So Vol 5 was released today.  Gotta imagine Trump is gonna turn the crazy up to 11 to distract

Seems like it's going to impact zero

Mark Warner (D-Va.): “At nearly 1,000 pages, Volume 5 stands as the most comprehensive examination of ties between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign to date – a breathtaking level of contacts between Trump officials and Russian government operatives that is a very real counterintelligence threat to our elections. ... This cannot happen again."


I really don't know how the GOP/Right-wing media can keep saying hoax
People running for the office of POTUS shouldn't have teams of people meeting with foreign gov'ts period
especially one that is considered the entire intelligence community to be our advisory
I don't care if the is no smoking gun, this many meetings with this many high level people is indefensiable...yet crickets
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on August 18, 2020, 11:00:50 am
Well cause Republicans are racist fascist traitors who hate America


Republicans are garbage


People need to accept this
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2020, 11:07:39 am
so he lied to Mueller...

Trump told Mueller in written answers that he recalled no conversations with Stone about WikiLeaks.

SSCI: "The Committee assesses that Trump did, in fact, speak with Stone about WikiLeaks and with members of his Campaign about Stone’s access to WikiLeaks on multiple occasions."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2020, 12:39:34 pm
Trump was impeached by the House on this day one year ago.

This year was the longest decade of my life
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on December 18, 2020, 01:10:18 pm
What a failure that was
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2020, 01:38:08 pm
On brand for a failed state
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: analogfossa on December 18, 2020, 02:19:21 pm
White House sources are saying that Pence might skip town during his international trip to avoid presiding over congress confirming Biden as President.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2020, 02:28:16 pm
White House sources are saying that Pence might skip town during his international trip to avoid presiding over congress confirming Biden as President.
my understanding is he will peside, but is leaving town minutes after
I think even if he doesn't show, won't stop the process...more of a formality
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 18, 2020, 03:05:04 pm
I think even if he doesn't show, won't stop the process...more of a formality

correct.  if the president of the senate, the vice-president of the united states, can't preside over a session of the senate then the senate's president pro tempore takes over.  there a chain of succession after that, so if the president pro tempore isn't available it falls to whoever is next on the list. 

there will be someone in the senate's lead seat on january 6th to make the electoral college's count official.  doesn't need to be pence.  would be very on-brand for this administration to skip this - they don't acknowledge defeat. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2021, 01:46:07 pm
word on the street is that we may be dusting off this thread
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 07, 2021, 01:52:01 pm
word on the street is that we may be dusting off this thread

Which street it that?

https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1347194604970536962

The House isn't coming back into session until after the inauguration.

The Senate has adjourned until Jan. 19.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2021, 06:17:13 pm
Word, from NYT and other sources: Trump has retired to Camp David. He will not return to the WH. He is als reportedly going to pardon himself and his kids (+ Kushner and a few others), resign, and fly to Mar a Lago afterwards.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on January 07, 2021, 06:19:47 pm
I could believe all of that except "resign"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 07, 2021, 07:41:30 pm
Word, from NYT and other sources: Trump has retired to Camp David. He will not return to the WH. He is als reportedly going to pardon himself and his kids (+ Kushner and a few others), resign, and fly to Mar a Lago afterwards.
where are you seeing this?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2021, 09:44:50 pm
Word, from NYT and other sources: Trump has retired to Camp David. He will not return to the WH. He is als reportedly going to pardon himself and his kids (+ Kushner and a few others), resign, and fly to Mar a Lago afterwards.
where are you seeing this?
I never reveal my source unless of course, I'm revealing my source
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seems like it's everywhere now...do you still doubt my scoopiness?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 09:47:37 pm
That’s funny (the GIF)



There is no way Trump quits...zero chance

Unless there was a negotiation and that’s not happening
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 10:04:53 am
looking more and more like this will happen
I think they should make the senate return now (apparently they are off until the 19th)

Sad, but makes me sleep better
Trump's national security team has begun operating as if he weren’t the president, but rather a guy in the White House who needs to be carefully managed,
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 10:07:29 am
They need to not so much impeach as REMOVE from office


If they impeach they better have the votes to remove and an agreement to do it quickly

A lot of traitorous republicans aren’t going to go for it and inauguration is right around the corner

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 03:35:11 pm
apparently, if you impeach BEFORE inauguration, you can have a senate trial AFTER inauguration.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 08, 2021, 03:52:56 pm
apparently, if you impeach BEFORE inauguration, you can have a senate trial AFTER inauguration.
For what possible purpose? Sanction him to be unable to run again?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 03:55:38 pm
apparently, if you impeach BEFORE inauguration, you can have a senate trial AFTER inauguration.
For what possible purpose? Sanction him to be unable to run again?
that and a public trial to prosecute him on crimes and soil his legacy for generations

Biden’s answer on impeachment. He says it’s up to congress to determine whether the president should be impeached. “I’m going to do my job and congress can decide how to proceed with their’s.”
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 04:46:23 pm
Articles to be introduced Monday


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/washington-dc-riots-trump-news-friday/h_6730f3c932c438afbd93334423f1a680

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 04:54:50 pm
What would impeaching him accomplish at this point, especially if it's after his term is over?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 08, 2021, 05:08:09 pm
What would impeaching him accomplish at this point, especially if it's after his term is over?

apparently, if you impeach BEFORE inauguration, you can have a senate trial AFTER inauguration.
For what possible purpose? Sanction him to be unable to run again?

^ this.  also, generally to admonish/shame him as being the only president to have ever been impeached twice.  he was outraged at the first one, can't wait to hear about his reaction to doubling up.

reminder: by the time this will hit the senate, the Dems will be in control.  should they follow through, we won't have to worry about DJ-T in 2024.  i'll take it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 05:15:00 pm
But you need two thirds of senate to remove or 16 Republicans

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 05:19:56 pm
hence my nom de plume earlier today of 67 votes-hatch ...so I think you need 17, but whos counting
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 05:22:32 pm
Jules...your twin is proposing a good legislation

Joaquin Castro
@JoaquinCastrotx
In addition to supporting the impeachment and removal of Donald Trump, I am also preparing legislation that would prohibit any federal building or property from being named after President Donald J. Trump.
President Trump incited an insurrection that damaged some our nation’s most significant and sacred federal property.
Most importantly - let us learn from our past.

Donald Trump should never become a future generation’s confederate symbol.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 08, 2021, 05:24:58 pm
I still don't believe it's a wise idea, but given the struggle for control of the Republican party before the 2024 election, I could see the possibility, albeit very remote, that there are perhaps 17 Republican Senators who would play along, especially if they weren't up for re-election until 2024 or 2026.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 08, 2021, 05:25:36 pm
But you need two thirds of senate to remove or 16 Republicans

aside: they would need to pick off 17 GOP senators. Dems have 50 but Kamila only gets to vote in the case of a 50-50 tie.  as soon as the vote becomes 51-49 (without her vote), she has to sit on the sidelines.  so 2/3 = 67, AKA 50 + 17.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 08, 2021, 05:29:26 pm
especially if they weren't up for re-election until 2024 or 2026.

and they don't have 2024 presidential aspirations.  you'd think that cruz would be the first in line to deep-6 DJ-T and clear his path of an unbeatable rival, but he needs - and craves - that trumpastic base.  so he'll pretend to defend the soon-to-be-ex-prez while secretly hoping that enough other GOPers will join in.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 08, 2021, 05:38:36 pm
and they don't have 2024 presidential aspirations. 

Yes and no.  A large percentage of Trumps base were not Republicans before and only voted for him as the anti-establishment candidate.  They merely identified with the Republicans because he was the Republican nominee.  It is unclear what they do in future elections if he were not on the ballot (or Trump backed candidates).  There could be some that could see this an opportunity to take the party back from Trump's influence and could see a non-Trump aligned candidate for President as being a strong position (not saying I agree with this, but it is a conceivable strategy).     
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 05:41:12 pm
But you need two thirds of senate to remove or 16 Republicans

aside: they would need to pick off 17 GOP senators. Dems have 50 but Kamila only gets to vote in the case of a 50-50 tie.  as soon as the vote becomes 51-49 (without her vote), she has to sit on the sidelines.  so 2/3 = 67, AKA 50 + 17.

Math, smath. Trump got 74.2 million votes and he rounds it to 75 million. Can't we round 66.666666666..... to 66?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 08, 2021, 05:44:59 pm
Can we go back to talking about my “how do we get Murkowski to list as an Independent and caucus with the Dems” thing?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 05:48:20 pm
Math, smath. Trump got 74.2 million votes and he rounds it to 75 million. Can't we round 66.666666666..... to 66?
Funny every time I see someone post on Twitter that he got 75 mil...I'm like MAGA's suck at math as he only got 74.2
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 08, 2021, 05:58:38 pm
One of the best proposals I saw today was passing a bill requiring presidential candidates to release their tax returns, which could dissuade he who needs to pardon himself from attempting to run again
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 06:09:41 pm
Can we go back to talking about my “how do we get Murkowski to list as an Independent and caucus with the Dems” thing?
so this is trending
Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski calls on President Trump to resign and questions her future as a Republican.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 08, 2021, 07:23:37 pm
There could be some that could see this an opportunity to take the party back from Trump's influence and could see a non-Trump aligned candidate for President as being a strong position (not saying I agree with this, but it is a conceivable strategy).     

some may indeed adopt this strategy, but that "some" doesn't include the likes of Cruz.  he and his ilk have no original political thought, expediency and convenience is the best they can come up with.  why innovate when you can take over daddy's spot as soon as he's gone?

i completely agree that cruz et al. pinning their hopes on the MAGA base isn't going to work, at least not nearly as well as they hope it will.  trumpism is above all else a cult of personality.  cruz is at a serious disadvantage, given that he doesn't have a personality ("annoying" and "lecherous" don't count towards one).
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 07:26:42 pm
A fun read


https://www.adn.com/politics/2021/01/08/alaska-sen-lisa-murkowski-calls-on-president-trump-to-resign-questions-her-future-as-a-republican/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 07:54:51 pm
But you need two thirds of senate to remove or 16 Republicans

aside: they would need to pick off 17 GOP senators. Dems have 50 but Kamila only gets to vote in the case of a 50-50 tie.  as soon as the vote becomes 51-49 (without her vote), she has to sit on the sidelines.  so 2/3 = 67, AKA 50 + 17.

It's Kamala Harris, not Kamila Harris. Kamala Harris, like the Ugandan Giant.

https://www.katc.com/news/national-news/james-harris-pro-wrestler-known-as-kamala-the-ugandan-giant-dies
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 08, 2021, 08:06:33 pm
some may indeed adopt this strategy, but that "some" doesn't include the likes of Cruz.

I was clearly not including any Senator who was in favor of holding up the Electoral College approval process in my possible 17 Senators who would consider voting to impeach him.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 09:07:48 pm
https://news.trust.org/item/20210108210622-t35pv
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 10:14:07 pm
three other good reasons...
1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life (which he would continue to donate...HA!)
2) loses his 1 million dollars/year travel allowance
3) loses lifetime full secret service detail

Would he get a presidential library?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 10:51:39 pm
seems like mitch is on board?
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533461-mcconnell-circulates-procedures-for-second-senate-impeachment-trial-of-trump
not sure he'll be one of the 17, but maybe we'll get questions this time
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 09, 2021, 03:57:17 am
one reason the impeachment might not happen: it would be a YUGE distraction just as Biden is kicking off his presidency.  he's talked a lot about how much he & congress need to get done on day 1, but impeachment would suck all the air out of the room.  it would delay the confirmation of Biden's cabinet picks, delaying every agency's work.

and predictably, trump supporters are going to cry foul at the speed of this impeachment.  "it was rigged from the start, he never had a chance to defend himself!!!111".
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on January 09, 2021, 07:18:24 am
Would he get a presidential library?

Yes.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 09, 2021, 08:41:34 am
one reason the impeachment might not happen: it would be a YUGE distraction just as Biden is kicking off his presidency.  he's talked a lot about how much he & congress need to get done on day 1, but impeachment would suck all the air out of the room.  it would delay the confirmation of Biden's cabinet picks, delaying every agency's work.

and predictably, trump supporters are going to cry foul at the speed of this impeachment.  "it was rigged from the start, he never had a chance to defend himself!!!111".

How much time would they need to go over arguments? It like he shot someone in the light of day on Fifth Avenue.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 11, 2021, 10:19:46 am
welp, they gave Donnie and pence the weekend to do something...and they didn't do squat (I heard Donnie sent out a vid via Parler tho)

So sounds like Nancy is going to present them today
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 11, 2021, 11:49:15 am
The video on Parler that supposedly is from Trump is very clearly not. It is a fan-edited mashup of his past speeches and is clearly watermarked with the name of the video editing dude who made it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 11, 2021, 12:01:14 pm
Article of impeachment accuses President Trump of “incitement of insurrection” for last week’s riot at the U.S. Capitol, according to a draft obtained by AP.

dang...that's a pretty damning stain on his legacy
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2021, 12:30:21 pm
The problem is...they don't have one

 House Republican leaders will not whip their colleagues to vote against the impeachment resolution tomorrow, according to leadership aides. They will let members “vote their conscience”, as @RepLizCheney  told colleagues. 

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 12, 2021, 03:52:52 pm
The problem is...they don't have one

Doesn't matter - it's 50+1 in the House.  If the Dems can't get that many on their own, this country has bigger problems.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2021, 05:55:45 pm
true...conscience is not required to hold office

but are you saying there are only 50 votes in the house?


we just picked up a single  Republican
Rep. John Katko will vote to impeach President Trump. He's the first GOP House member to publicly back impeachment.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2021, 05:58:03 pm
I thought Kinzinger was on the record
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2021, 06:11:18 pm
I thought Kinzinger was on the record
my understanding is he called for the 25th to be invoked...not explicitly saying he was for impeachment

whatever, we don't need any GOP in the house...we need 17 senators!

I still don't understand Smakies response


McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment...what ever that means
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on January 12, 2021, 06:38:47 pm
I still don't understand Smakies response

Sorry, 50% of the vote, plus one, or anything over 50%.  With a majority of the house under Democratic control, that shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2021, 06:50:24 pm
I thought Kinzinger was on the record
my understanding is he called for the 25th to be invoked...not explicitly saying he was for impeachment

whatever, we don't need any GOP in the house...we need 17 senators!

I still don't understand Smakies response


McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment...what ever that means


Ugh means he knows Trump tried to get him killed, knows Trump cost him his job,  loathes Trump and wants to cut bait

Anymore questions?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 12, 2021, 07:00:58 pm
McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment...what ever that means

McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment, believing it will be easier to purge Trump from the G.O.P. (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mitch-mcconnell-trump-impeachment.html)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2021, 07:26:12 pm
Liz Cheney will also vote to impeach


Of course democrats don’t need Republicans in the House but it makes an important statement and also signals to Senate Republicans that impeachment can be bipartisan... gives Senators a bit of cover: it’s not just democrats
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2021, 07:28:09 pm
I believe Liz Cheney is also part of Republican House leadership

We may not get there in the senate but I think this is big
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2021, 08:39:19 pm
yeah....still not feeling confident we have 17 senators...heck we barely have Manchin
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2021, 09:10:12 pm
It’s not totally clear when senate would vote or if they would if he wasn’t in power any longer or if it’s constitutional


I say go step by step

At least he will be the first president impeached twice...

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2021, 09:21:25 pm
I mean to me the real objective is to proscribe Trump from running again but not sure that’s even under consideration or it’s legality...

Regardless he will be impeached and leave office as an embarrassment

Either way he will continue being a political player... Even if he were to be eventually jailed Trumpism is here to stay

Nothing that happens in Congress is going to change that



Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2021, 11:32:48 pm
Trumpism is here to stay
has always been my fear...he's a dick and we all know that, but the people who adore that kind of leader...
they are not going anywhere
I think it's going to be hard to take that mantle from him, but there is a whole bunch of crazy to come and try to out-trump-trump to get their vote...and that's scary
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on January 13, 2021, 04:54:07 pm
Alright, here we go. The vote begins.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2021, 05:03:38 pm
Alright, here we go. The vote begins.
yeah my bad...this mornings vote I guess was to start talks
this is the actual impeachment vote

as of now we have 4 5 7 8 republicans so far on record!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on January 13, 2021, 05:23:27 pm
Alright, here we go. The vote begins.

And done.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2021, 05:25:57 pm
Alright, here we go. The vote begins.

And done.
almost 5% of the GOP house (10) voted to impeach...I'll take that as a minor win and sea change
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2021, 05:37:03 pm
Well it’s official.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2021, 05:43:34 pm
Well it’s official.
The only popular vote he won twice



The best fucking part of this is he’s going to have to rage tweet in the notes app and show people in the vicinity
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 13, 2021, 07:19:35 pm
Whoever started this thread....boy Trump got impeached TWICE! Unbelievable


Who had this on their 2021 bingo card?

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2021, 07:38:02 pm
Whoever started this thread....
Sweetcell. It’s right there on the forum listing.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2021, 07:38:48 pm
Whoever started this thread....
Sweetcell. It’s right there on the forum listing.
yeah...I think I should get a little credit...what a screenname too!

Quote from: eat the babies ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|ll on 04-10-2019, 17:15:56
we should probably start an impeachy thread...



I have honestly no idea what sept 4th 2019 was like...I know it happened, but it really seems like a time in my youth, just fuzzy details are remembered

Oh and classic Hutch, totally against it before and now 100% behind it, very on brand
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2021, 07:50:17 pm
Oh snap. Savage.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 13, 2021, 07:59:02 pm
I can explain!!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 12:38:36 am
I guess they warned us this would become a regular thing
Marjorie Taylor Greene says she will introduce impeachment articles against Biden

will this be like Obama care...every two weeks they will try to impeach biden?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 14, 2021, 10:12:08 am
I guess they warned us this would become a regular thing
Marjorie Taylor Greene says she will introduce impeachment articles against Biden

will this be like Obama care...every two weeks they will try to impeach biden?

pretty sure a dem introduced something similar right away against  45**,  a meaningless stunt
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 14, 2021, 04:02:49 pm
Trumpism is here to stay
has always been my fear...he's a dick and we all know that, but the people who adore that kind of leader...
they are not going anywhere
I think it's going to be hard to take that mantle from him, but there is a whole bunch of crazy to come and try to out-trump-trump to get their vote...and that's scary

from november:

America's Next Authoritarian Will Be Much More Competent (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trump-proved-authoritarians-can-get-elected-america/617023/)
Trump was ineffective and easily beaten. A future strongman won't be.


and that's a chilling thought...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 04:20:10 pm
Yeah, that's what I keep hearing.
If Trump and his team were really smart and wanted to really take over, they could have
but they were just interested in fame, money, and liberal tears
They have the GOP base eating out of their hands...willing to die for them, not the USA (and because of that the GOP leadership got in line)
So a Tom C or Josh H could really be dangerous

What I'm hoping is Biden and the Dems will pass some laws that put more restrictions on the Executive as well as giving existing laws (Hatch, Emoluments, Etc) a little more teeth to prosecute
I think the issue was so many of the rules were 'guidelines' as the assumption is that the president would just do the right thing
welp...we see how that went
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 14, 2021, 04:25:56 pm
So a Tom C or Josh H could really be dangerous
Neither of these folks possess any of the "charisma" or cult of personality required for this.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 04:43:58 pm
So a Tom C or Josh H could really be dangerous
Neither of these folks possess any of the "charisma" or cult of personality required for this.
does that go under the Good News thread
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 05:12:01 pm
Trump is a once in a lifetime pol


But we do need to make some changes around here
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 05:30:01 pm
Trump is a once in a lifetime pol
(https://media.giphy.com/media/veqvcOqrQrp4s/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 09, 2021, 06:15:25 pm
welp we picked up one more vote...11 more seems highly unlikely
I can't even watch
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on February 09, 2021, 07:38:06 pm
(https://cdn.ruinmyweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/15123130/take-a-look-at-these-things-you-can-t-unsee-and-then-hate-us-forever-13.png)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 13, 2021, 06:51:25 pm
Well... as predicted he was acquitted
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 13, 2021, 07:17:55 pm
We’re getting there! Seven Republicans

Looking on the bright side we can’t impeach again....

It will be interesting to see how it plays out with the American people....if at all

One is tempted to hope Republicans just signed their death certificate

So much pressure on Biden to succeed...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 13, 2021, 08:03:21 pm
I don't believe Trump politics is going anywhere anytime soon. Those hoping people like Graham would turn their backs on him are horribly mistaken.  Their constituents are still behind him.

McConnell has definitely hopped off Trump's lap, though. Did not expect that.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 13, 2021, 09:29:49 pm
Lindsay is a coward and traitor. he just got re-elected to a six year term! He has nothing to worry about until 2026!

Same for most Republicans...

The excuse about your constituents only gets you so far... sometimes you have to exercise leadership


And who are his constituents? Only Republicans in South Carolina? No, all people from South Carolina a majority of whom wanted Trump convicted
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 14, 2021, 11:01:12 am
Agree on most points and don’t get me wrong - I hate Graham. But he’s motivated to win back the house next year.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 14, 2021, 11:12:06 am
Agree on most points and don’t get me wrong - I hate Graham. But he’s motivated to win back the house next year.

Oh I know we agree

the districts Republicans need to win back are arguably swing districts, right? Trump isn’t exactly popular there...that’s why they lost those seats in the first place (some of them they regained in 2020)

Take for example the district in NJ that Malinowski barely hung on to in 2020... that was a D pickup in 2018

The big Trump districts they already have... is your point they can’t hold on to them without continuing to suck up to Trump? A lot of those districts are blood red...I can’t see democrats ever picking them up but say look at districts in battleground places like AZ or big city suburbs... Trump is not that popular there

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 14, 2021, 11:26:11 am
I’m guessing there are areas where Trump is popular but are currently under democratic leadership. Those are the targets. I haven’t t looked into where exactly they are.

But Graham will soon be on a plane to visit Trump and discuss these places. That’s a fact.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 14, 2021, 11:27:30 am
I should say.....he’s already said he is going to do that. And soon.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 14, 2021, 12:05:20 pm
I don’t know where these magical pro Trump districts are which Republicans lost in November but now that Trump is a loser, cut off from Twitter, and failed coup orchestrator NOW will vote Republican with Trump not on ballot...


That doesn’t make sense to me

It’s going to come down to wether Biden is successful in confronting the covid and economy NOT Trump



Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 14, 2021, 01:30:14 pm
History dictates that the Dems will lose house seats in the midterm because it’s happened consistently to the President’s party for the last 40ish years. But the one exception to that is interesting — Dubyas first term. And why did the GOP pick up seats despite all trends saying they should lose seats? 9/11.

There is an interesting parallel possibility for Biden there. If mass vaccinations are done by end of summer and boosters roll out smoothly next year (if needed) and the economy starts to rebound and schools stay open — that’s the path for more Americans to rally around Biden and a return to normalcy.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 14, 2021, 01:36:17 pm
Definitely hope so.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on February 16, 2021, 09:00:44 am
Religion is the most powerful drug....

Kinzinger’s family members accused him of joining “the ‘devil’s army’ (Democrats and the fake news media),” and extensively defended Trump against what they called “horrible, rude accusations.”
“To embrace a party that believes in abortion and socialism is the ultimate sin,” the letter said.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/02/16/adam-kinzinger-family-impeachment-trump/
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2021, 09:40:22 am
Ok but to put in perspective it’s not his parents or brothers..it’s a cousin’s family

Still whacked

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 16, 2021, 09:48:35 am
I keep holding out hope that this fractures the GOP. 

Unfortunately, there are 2/3rds of them who would be just fine if he was installed as dictator in chief
sadly their thirst for power seems stronger than a conventional democracy and they will go forward with the Qwazy Qaucus from here on out.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 16, 2021, 09:51:10 am
Ok but to put in perspective it’s not his parents or brothers..it’s a cousin’s family

Still whacked

I can relate. My family may be a mess but the cousins are far worse.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on February 16, 2021, 10:32:46 am
I keep holding out hope that this fractures the GOP. 

Unfortunately, there are 2/3rds of them who would be just fine if he was installed as dictator in chief
sadly their thirst for power seems stronger than a conventional democracy and they will go forward with the Qwazy Qaucus from here on out.

Wouldn't you prefer four more years of Biden (or someone you liked more) via installation if the alternative was a democratically-elected Ted Cruz?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on February 16, 2021, 10:39:54 am
Ok but to put in perspective it’s not his parents or brothers..it’s a cousin’s family

Still whacked

I reckon that's some good perspective. I don't have any cousins on one side of my family, and have neither spoken to nor heard from any of the cousins on the other side of the family in 35+ years (though i did find one of them on Facebook and discovered he's a dick loving Trump humper.)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2021, 11:23:23 am
For all we know it could be distant cousins


Still sucks...reflects what is happening all over America as we become more divided

I hope we have a few years of good news and begin to come together
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 16, 2021, 11:45:38 am
I keep holding out hope that this fractures the GOP. 

Unfortunately, there are 2/3rds of them who would be just fine if he was installed as dictator in chief
sadly their thirst for power seems stronger than a conventional democracy and they will go forward with the Qwazy Qaucus from here on out.

Wouldn't you prefer four more years of Biden (or someone you liked more) via installation if the alternative was a democratically-elected Ted Cruz?
Let's be clear...my hope is the GOP does fracture.  They are winning elections by just a hair and if 5-10% of them are fed up and can't get on board with Qwazy Train, that is enough to have Dems win elections
big downside is if a new GOP party emerges that distances itself from the QANON Qrew, that it will pull people who voted democrat last time
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2021, 12:06:29 pm
That’s not what he is asking
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 16, 2021, 01:02:53 pm
That’s not what he is asking
Of course, I would prefer 4 more years of Biden, but it's not just about the Executive...I'm thinking house and senate too

I think the way our system is set up, there are HUGE advantages for the Qwrazy Quacus and splintering that would be good way to make sure that Ted or Josh don't get elected
There is an unfair advantage, most based on the coalition of White, Rural, Religious, un-educated, burn the whole thing down AND fiscal conservatives, Military, college-educated,  blue-collar workers
if a new party emerges that courts the later, that would reduce the power of the Qwrazy
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2021, 01:05:57 pm
That’s not what he is asking
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 16, 2021, 01:19:29 pm
Ok, then what is he asking

Wouldn't you prefer four more years of Biden (or someone you liked more) via installation

I would prefer 4 more years of Biden (or someone else I like more) via voting on a 4 year cycle in a national election, don't love the EC, but I'm OK with it until the states decide to change the rules before the next election

What does 'via installation' mean?
maybe that's the problem I don't understand that term

My feeling is the MAGA crew would be fine if Trump was anointed king via an uprising where all the Libtards were killed in a mass execution
They don't care for elections, Trump is looking out for all of us, so why would we even need to vote
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2021, 01:22:35 pm
He means coup like the q kooks want for Trump

He is asking if you would be ok with that if Cruz was democratically elected


Obviously the idea is foreign to you and me
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 16, 2021, 01:23:51 pm
(https://media.tenor.com/images/cd9965b493e4496a772033c9519c96cd/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2021, 01:24:34 pm
Of course

Same


No Space we are not ok with coups
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 16, 2021, 01:26:14 pm
If ted legitimately got 270 in the EC, he would be my president
I'd be sad for the US, but I'd accept it and do what I can to get him to be a one-term president
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on February 16, 2021, 04:11:14 pm


My feeling is the MAGA crew would be fine if Trump was anointed king via an uprising where all the Libtards were killed in a mass execution
They don't care for elections, Trump is looking out for all of us, so why would we even need to vote

What percentage of the 74 million people who voted for Trump do you think feels this way?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 16, 2021, 05:02:13 pm
6Q%
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on June 04, 2021, 03:02:30 pm
Trump Facebook and Instagram ban confirmed until at least January 7, 2023


I can’t believe Kosmo ended the Trump is a Fascist thread from 2015...there was some gold there
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on June 09, 2021, 01:42:06 pm
who could have predicted this?

State GOPs Can’t Explain Millions In ‘Trump Victory’ Cash (https://www.thedailybeast.com/state-gops-cant-explain-millions-in-trump-victory-cash)
“These joint fundraising practices amount to little more than legalized money laundering,” said Brendan Fischer, director of federal reform at the Campaign Legal Center.

'Legalized money laundering': Trump Victory fund exposes GOP state officials (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-victory-fund/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on September 27, 2021, 12:16:42 pm
reminder: there is no bottom.

DHS Whistleblower: Trump Team Wanted Us to Lie About Russia, the Border, and White Supremacy (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/brian-murphy-whistleblower-trump-border-russia-racism-1232427/)


you may now return to trying to forget trump ever happened. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on September 27, 2021, 12:45:57 pm
reminder: there is no bottom.

DHS Whistleblower: Trump Team Wanted Us to Lie About Russia, the Border, and White Supremacy (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/brian-murphy-whistleblower-trump-border-russia-racism-1232427/)


you may now return to trying to forget trump ever happened.

From the article:

“They did not want the public to know that the Russians were supporting Trump,” the whistleblower says

Would it have really mattered? Many of the rubes (and non-rubes) are completely ok with this, as long as it helps them "own the libs."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on September 27, 2021, 12:56:33 pm
Thing is they keep telling us the obvious and it’s horrifying and all these traitors should be put up against the wall BUT we are totally inured to it and as a society we just don’t want to deal with it anymore


They just keep confirming everything we suspected…it’s actually even worse


And no his base which is probably 3 out of 10 Americans would support Trump and the coup even if he said openly it was a coup on behalf of Russia….but there is that other 70%

I mean Hitler’s situation was pretty similar..he had 30% but kind of faked playing by the rules of the Weimar Republic and by the time people realized what he was really up to there was no Weimar

I actually think the rise of Hitler is most analogous to Trump.. went to the Holocaust Memorial Museum a few weeks ago with my mom and the parallels are so striking..

We are just lucky we don’t live in a country with a parliamentary system and many viable political parties..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on September 27, 2021, 02:04:50 pm
As an aside cause it’s been on my mind


When I first visited the Holocaust Memorial Museum in my 20s I just couldn’t really process it…

Going a couple of weeks ago with my mom (her parents, my grandparents, were polish and Lithuanian Jews) -a few decades later - it hit me so much harder… we only had three hours and probably needed another hour…  we got too bogged down in the early years… I plan to go again and spend more time on the second half

I think , like Hiroshima, everyone benefits from visiting this place… but it is pretty incredible and hard hitting… it’s not a “fun” time but feels like something I had to do l… really puts things in perspective
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on September 27, 2021, 02:38:54 pm
I agree about the relevance and importance of visiting the Holocaust Museum. I've been there at least twice. I think our daughter was a little young the last time we went. I seem to remember her wanting to push through a lot faster than we wanted to, but maybe she's just that way with all museums.

 I also went to the concentration camp in Dachau solo when I was in my 20's, and man that experience packs a fucking tear-filled wallop. I suggested going to it on our summer vacation 2022, which begins and ends in Munich, but was quickly and loudly vetoed.

Side note: my wife is also Lithuanian and Polish, though not Jewish.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2021, 03:32:40 pm
Side note: my wife is also Lithuanian and Polish, though not Jewish.
that she's knows of....lots of people hid their jewish heritage as to not get killed and then a generation later, no one told the grand kids
she done a 29 and me yet?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on September 27, 2021, 03:43:32 pm
Side note: my wife is also Lithuanian and Polish, though not Jewish.
that she's knows of....lots of people hid their jewish heritage as to not get killed and then a generation later, no one told the grand kids
she done a 29 and me yet?

Don't you mean 23 and me?

I suppose anything is possible, but I'd say she looks far less Jewish than me, and I look about as Jewish as Vansmack.

And yeah, I know there's no one way to look Jewish, yada yada.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on September 27, 2021, 04:03:26 pm
Feeling conciliatory


Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 27, 2021, 04:18:51 pm
Side note: my wife is also Lithuanian and Polish, though not Jewish.
that she's knows of....lots of people hid their jewish heritage as to not get killed and then a generation later, no one told the grand kids
she done a 29 and me yet?

Don't you mean 23 and me?
Everyone knows those Zionist swine have 29 chromosomes.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2021, 04:25:23 pm
Side note: my wife is also Lithuanian and Polish, though not Jewish.
that she's knows of....lots of people hid their jewish heritage as to not get killed and then a generation later, no one told the grand kids
she done a 29 and me yet?

Don't you mean 23 and me?
Everyone knows those Zionist swine have 29 chromosomes.
umm, I don't know if EVERYONE knows this...
Next you are going to be telling them about the locations of the Space Lazers
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on September 28, 2021, 08:01:49 pm
"Mr. Trump’s handlers designated an unnamed White House official known as the 'Music Man' to play him his favorite show tunes, including 'Memory' from 'Cats,' to pull him from the brink of rage."

"I should have spoken up more."

gee, thanks. it's the (belated) thought that counts, right? don't worry, you're cleared now that you've said those important and impotent words.  please proceed to reap a windfall from your book, now that you've repented!  asshole.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 07, 2021, 02:51:08 pm
are republicans actually genetic mutants that lack the shame gene?  or just the intelligence gene?

NC Republicans will probe 'millions' of claims of modems 'tampering votes' -- but machines aren't even connected to the internet (https://www.rawstory.com/north-carolina-election-results/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on October 07, 2021, 02:56:42 pm
both?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 07, 2021, 03:48:19 pm
But they do have the strongest projection genes in the world.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 19, 2021, 01:00:01 pm
so there some shit going down in NW this morning: FBI agents swarm Washington home of Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/fbi-agents-swarm-d-c-home-russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-n1281844).  is this the break we've all been waiting for in the trump-russia saga?

TAN: twitter thread (https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/1450314816296562691) questioning the spin-job ABC put on the Steele Dossier following this weekend's interview.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 03, 2021, 01:39:36 pm
including this here since he's trump 2.0 - essentially a more competent version, which is scary as HELL.

RonBeGone
@ron_begone

NEW: Ron DeSantis now wants to recreate the Florida State Guard, a paramilitary force discontinued in 1947.

The Florida State Guard will report directly to him, no one else.

This is the stuff of dictators.
8:54 AM · Dec 2, 2021·Twitter Web App


DeSantis proposes civilian Florida State Guard military force he would control (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/584178-desantis-proposes-civilian-florida-state-guard-military-force-he-would)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2021, 02:19:18 pm
^yikes....will they be allowed to shoot Antifa on sight
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 03, 2021, 02:22:28 pm
^yikes....will they be allowed to shoot Antifa on sight

yes, as long as they're not white.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 03, 2022, 04:37:48 pm
NY AG subpoenas Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump, Jr. in civil investigation (https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/politics/ivanka-donald-trump-jr-subpoena/index.html)
"Eric Trump, an executive vice president at the company, was previously subpoenaed and provided his testimony in late 2020."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 10, 2022, 11:06:49 am
ahh memories...1 year ago while everyone was riling from J6 and Covid...he delivers the perfect trump quote

 "the buck stops with everybody"
https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1083381162226212866?s=20
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on May 06, 2022, 06:26:10 pm
in case anyone wanted an update on the state of the GOP:

US man charged with wife’s murder wins Republican town primary from jail (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/06/indiana-andrew-wilhoite-charged-murder-republican-primary)
Andrew Wilhoite, 40, of Lebanon, Indiana, accused of killing Nikki Wilhoite with flower pot and dumping her body in nearby creek
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 06, 2022, 06:41:59 pm
in case anyone wanted an update on the state of the GOP:

US man charged with wife’s murder wins Republican town primary from jail (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/06/indiana-andrew-wilhoite-charged-murder-republican-primary)
Andrew Wilhoite, 40, of Lebanon, Indiana, accused of killing Nikki Wilhoite with flower pot and dumping her body in nearby creek

He missed out on a career as a generic Hollywood TV thug, the kind of actor who's never a star but seems to be in everything.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 08, 2022, 07:14:13 pm
Wow… beginning to finally look serious

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/mar-a-lago-search-warrant-fbi-donald-trump/index.html
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 08, 2022, 07:42:13 pm
Whoa.. we got Hutch believing
This is big!


Was great to read this
FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 08, 2022, 08:19:47 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/f9Tw7jr/C0242-ED5-7737-42-F5-9-D1-E-8-C398-BDC793-A.png) (https://ibb.co/cwsnd42)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 08, 2022, 08:35:34 pm
Imagine being the judge asked to sign what appears to be a no-knock warrant on an ex-President’s personal home.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 08, 2022, 09:05:39 pm
And here I thought the best news of the day was the MAGA t-shirt company getting busted and mightily fined for replacing  labels that said “made in china” to “made in America”..

Oh and the assclown running for Michigan AG post illegally getting his mitts on vote tabulating machines in order to examine them…
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on August 08, 2022, 09:31:36 pm
Is this the start of the Civil War?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 08, 2022, 10:06:08 pm
Is this the start of the Civil War?
had some random High School acquaintance write "this is the start of a civil war" and I immediately unfriended him
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on August 08, 2022, 10:14:27 pm
Is this the start of the Civil War?
had some random High School acquaintance write "this is the start of a civil war" and I immediately unfriended him

I hope he's wrong.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 08, 2022, 10:24:16 pm
Civil War.

I don’t see it but I suppose if it came one would want their “side” controlling the presidency. I mean imagine a civil war with Trump or Desantis as president?

I do think the United States in on track for some sort of uncivil disagreement but I remain or want to be hopeful someone or something will break through the logjam we seem to increasingly be experiencing. I would date it back to 1992 when Republicans could not accept that Clinton was picked over Bush. Then we saw the “Gingrich revolution” of 1994 and it steadily went downhill with the Republican attempt at impeachment, the Supreme Court stealing the 2000 election from Gore, etc etc etc. We need to get off this treadmill we are on. We have had moments like this in the past and in some cases managed to negotiate them (the party battles of the 1790s) and in one not (the Civil War which wasn’t so much a case or moment but when the bill came do for our original sin: the compromise of 1787).
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 08, 2022, 11:21:52 pm
Good lord Republicans are embarrassing themselves.

I guess it’s nothing new….
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 08, 2022, 11:27:40 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/Fx3fsR8/Screen-Shot-2022-08-08-at-11-25-40-PM.png) (https://twitter.com/Ben_Etcetera/status/1556808582951186433)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 08, 2022, 11:32:45 pm
as one would expect, Das Right is crying foul.  they are claiming that the current DOJ has been fully politicized (as opposed to the last one?!?!?), that the raid on mar-al-fuego was done to influence the midterms*, and kevin mccarthy has told garland to hold on to all documents because once the GOP takes over the house there will be non-stop investigations into "all this illegal activity."

trump took documents from the white house, which is both illegal and could have national security implications because some of the docs were classified.  pointing out that if a dem had done this during the previous admin they'd be in gitmo by now is obviously pointless... but how they can complain about the DOJ investigating a known and admitted crime is just crazyballz.

*midterms are 91 days away.  DOJ has a policy of not doing anything that could be seen as overtly political within 90 days of an election - hence today's timing ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 12:37:00 am
(https://i.ibb.co/Fx3fsR8/Screen-Shot-2022-08-08-at-11-25-40-PM.png) (https://twitter.com/Ben_Etcetera/status/1556808582951186433)
I am crying and having to try to explain why I just laughed so loud after midnight…
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 12:40:20 am

*midterms are 91 days away.  DOJ has a policy of not doing anything that could be seen as overtly political within 90 days of an election - hence today's timing ;D
am I weird if this is the favorite part of that story
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 09, 2022, 06:56:29 am
As it’s been said don’t mess with archivists, it’s been known for months they took classified documents with them to dump-a-loga.  And TFG alludes to what was going on with his statement, they were clearly working on getting that stuff back from there.  They probably had to send in agents with the proper clearance to get them.  My guess is stonewalling was happening, hence the search.  Of course The QOP think everything is politicized and lose their stuffing
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on August 09, 2022, 08:45:02 am
I know this, uh, guy, who works at the National Archives, and uh...they don't have agents. They'd work with law enforcement agencies in support of recovering classified documents.,

/pedant
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 08:58:37 am
the hutch negativity never stops ;)

Oliver Willis@owillis
the idea that youre going to prevent trump from running again because of some legal charge is liberal pipe dream stuff. never happening.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 09, 2022, 10:15:19 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZuYEM9XEAAL7-j?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZuYEM7WYAAqBtR?format=jpg&name=large)

AI of Trump perpwalk (https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1557005296869965826)

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 10:30:23 am
wow that is creepy, might have to make that my computer wallpaper
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 09, 2022, 11:28:19 am
(https://e.snmc.io/i/1200/s/27b76f1c5b77a8e106e33dbf83c18c0c/8978578)

Kinda reminds me of this Robert Longo drawing used for Glenn Branca's "The Ascension".
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 09, 2022, 11:42:14 am
I like this guy’s take on this

"Donald Trump, you have a copy of the warrant. It explains what they were looking for, what statutes they think were violated, what judge signed off on that...If you believe this is such an abuse, release the warrant and let us decide for ourselves

https://twitter.com/morning_joe/status/1556992528376905728?s=21&t=3868li2absZlpKMYtOIORw

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 09, 2022, 11:55:02 am
Who am I kidding they are already fundraising off the event… what’s the truth when you can do the grift, beat your chest and air your grievances
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 09, 2022, 12:42:42 pm
I know this, uh, guy, who works at the National Archives, and uh...they don't have agents. They'd work with law enforcement agencies in support of recovering classified documents.,

/pedant

your, uh, guy, is wrong. (https://www.archives.gov/oig/investigations.html)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 09, 2022, 01:27:22 pm
today in the TFGs orbit

the TFG campaign's have released everyone from the NDAs signed with it  :)  (expect numerous book deals now)

a Federal Appeals court has ruled that TFGs tax returns can be released to the House Ways and Means committee    ;D
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 01:50:15 pm
wow, that is news

it's like a shock and awe campaign the dems are running
almost too many things a once, but does mean that a few will stick even if some get thrown out on technicalities (which his lawyers are trying hard to find)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on August 09, 2022, 02:03:05 pm
I know this, uh, guy, who works at the National Archives, and uh...they don't have agents. They'd work with law enforcement agencies in support of recovering classified documents.,

/pedant

your, uh, guy, is wrong. (https://www.archives.gov/oig/investigations.html)

Well, true, every federal agency has an OIG office. But they're not special armed agents who go around executing FBI raids.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 02:05:28 pm
am I missing something here
I don't see people saying the NA agents swooped in for a no-knock warrant, they clearly have said FBI agents?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 09, 2022, 03:11:50 pm
I know this, uh, guy, who works at the National Archives, and uh...they don't have agents. They'd work with law enforcement agencies in support of recovering classified documents.,

/pedant

your, uh, guy, is wrong. (https://www.archives.gov/oig/investigations.html)

Well, true, every federal agency has an OIG office. But they're not special armed agents who go around executing FBI raids.

you are 100% correct, NA agents don't conduct FBI raids.  the FBI conducts FBI raids.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 03:33:23 pm
nice explainer thread

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1556777965937037312?s=20&t=EAg79WDSJ7s3PvLYxHR-tA
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 09, 2022, 03:46:53 pm
nice explainer thread

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1556777965937037312?s=20&t=EAg79WDSJ7s3PvLYxHR-tA (https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1556777965937037312?s=20&t=EAg79WDSJ7s3PvLYxHR-tA)

nice!  here's the easier-to-read unroll (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1556777965937037312.html) of the thread.

even comes with a side of social commentary:
"The agents show up at the specified location (during the day unless they asked for and got a night warrant) and secure the location, which depending on the skin color of the occupants means proning you out on the pavement or putting you on a couch.

some amazing replies too... lovin' it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 04:28:58 pm
I liked this line

Federal magistrate judges tend to require relatively thorough, specific, and well-documented applications, as opposed to state judges, who will generally sign a warrant that looks like something Gary Busey blew out of his nose after Fourth of July weekend.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 09, 2022, 04:46:36 pm
Kurt Andersen rounds up the QOP response, it’s a good thing they have a laptop, email server and 87k IRS agents to carry on about… 


https://twitter.com/kbandersen/status/1557096422704553987?s=21&t=7RXKiWqB2BM1d3UxC2F6sQ
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 06:56:41 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZvuNIgWIAMC3q7?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 09, 2022, 11:43:29 pm
seriously, can anyone name a more high-quality troll than pete desouza?  his track record is unparalleled.... just masterful.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 09, 2022, 11:46:39 pm
as one would expect, Das Right is crying foul.  they are claiming that the current DOJ has been fully politicized

They stormed Mar-a-Lago (https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1557071332545789954)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 10, 2022, 12:04:33 am
Trump's Voter-Fraud PAC Paid $60,000 To Melania's Fashion Designer For 'Strategy Consulting' (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/trump-s-voter-fraud-pac-paid-60-000-to-melania-s-fashion-designer-for-strategy-consulting/ar-AA10qEoW)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 10, 2022, 07:20:20 am
Coming at him from multiple fronts….

Trump will be questioned under oath Wednesday in the New York attorney general’s long-running civil investigation into his dealings as a real estate mogul
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 10, 2022, 08:15:52 am
The chef's kiss on this is that it was TFG who signed the law making the mishandling of Classified Material a felony...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 10, 2022, 08:43:56 am
the schadenfreude thread is over there
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 10, 2022, 12:21:43 pm
Coming at him from multiple fronts….

Trump will be questioned under oath Wednesday in the New York attorney general’s long-running civil investigation into his dealings as a real estate mogul

pleaded the fifth, only. didn't answer a single question. unfortunately for him this is a civil case so a negative inference can be made... oops.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Yada on August 11, 2022, 12:57:45 pm
https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/1557745287283736577
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2022, 01:18:26 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ17hyGX0AImqym?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 11, 2022, 02:54:44 pm
https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/1557745287283736577

well when he's caught, they'll crowdfund his bail and lawyers.. he go on faux news proudly proclaiming he's a patriot and will gladly do again... appear on stage with TFG and then start grifting at gun shows..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2022, 02:58:22 pm
https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/1557745287283736577

well when he's caught, they'll crowdfund his bail and lawyers.. he go on faux news proudly proclaiming he's a patriot and will gladly do again... appear on stage with TFG and then start grifting at gun shows..
(https://i.giphy.com/media/qlrBlSDevEdFeW5JwV/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Mobius on August 11, 2022, 03:05:15 pm
https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/1557745287283736577

Just a legendary moron on so many levels. It’s Ohio - please tell me he is also an Ohio State fan.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 11, 2022, 03:19:55 pm
please read: https://twitter.com/duty2warn/status/1557455893863616512
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 11, 2022, 03:22:10 pm
this could be big - during Garland's presser today:

CALL TO ACTIVISM @CalltoActivism
11m ago
BREAKING: AG Merrick Garland says he has filed a motion in the Southern District of Florida to UNSEAL the search warrant and file receipt of what was taken. Excellent.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 11, 2022, 04:51:55 pm
That’s too bad…am enjoying watching Republican brains blowing up
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2022, 05:57:40 pm
Garland's presser today:
well...any post show banter, had a busy day at work
or was that it...he's releasing the warrant details

which is good IMO, because it makes it clear opposed to how it now which leads to wild speculations
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2022, 06:23:25 pm
this is getting funny...now they don't want the public to see the warrant


"Trump allies are discussing the possibility of challenging the Justice Department’s motion to unseal the Mar-a-Lago search warrant. They have contacted outside lawyers about helping them, according to a person briefed on the discussions."
@ktbenner


this is great too
@LEBassett
Lol Garland just rolled in 35 minutes late, said "Yea, I did this myself, and you can see the warrant if you want" and then dropped the mic, took no questions and left. The swagger
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 12, 2022, 12:16:58 am
this is getting funny...now they don't want the public to see the warrant

of course they don't.  they're portraying this as pure corruption, politicization of the DOJ, left-wing oppression of the innocent...

they can't keep those lies (and fundraising) going if the public learns the truth: trump stole highly classified documents, was asked to return them (he didn't), was subpoenaed to return them (he still didn't), so the DOJ got a legally valid search warrant to retrieve them.  there's no way of spinning that (well, i'm sure they'll carry on with their whataboutism, but that doesn't carry nearly as much weight and eventually folks will have to admit that the FBI was fully within its rights to do what it did).
 
 

(https://i.redd.it/fjgxs5z6bk561.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2022, 02:28:53 pm
man, just when you think there is a bottom, he hits a new low

Trump RELEASED the warrant with the names of the FBI agents unredacted.
that is not what was going to be released by garland, those names should have been redacted

like a mobster, he names all these gov't officials who are just doing their job, then those individuals have to go in hiding because of death threats
it's insane, how can this be real
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on August 12, 2022, 02:50:18 pm
man, just when you think there is a bottom, he hits a new low

Trump RELEASED the warrant with the names of the FBI agents unredacted.
that is not what was going to be released by garland, those names should have been redacted

like a mobster, he names all these gov't officials who are just doing their job, then those individuals have to go in hiding because of death threats
it's insane, how can this be real
\

Source? Same person that said Anee Heche is dead?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2022, 02:57:23 pm
Source? Same person that said Anee Heche is dead?
@DonLew87
Trump apparently leaked the warrant to Breitbart. The DOJ had sought to redact or shield the names of agents involved. Trump took no caution. The Breitbart article has names of agents, which obviously puts a target on their back. Reprehensible. Trump needs to be stopped. Enough.

Mehdi Hasan@mehdirhasan
Hold on, Breitbart just put out the names of the FBI agents who did the search? Are you kidding me? And presumably Breitbart got leaked this search warrant from Trump, unredacted?
Wow good luck to those agents & their families. Sheesh the right don’t give a damn about ‘the blue’.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2022, 03:19:29 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ-RXIrXoAEjC6t?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 12, 2022, 03:35:21 pm
Sad (and dangerous) thing is law enforcement loves Trump….

I just can’t believe he isn’t in jail yet.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2022, 03:36:14 pm
The chef’s kiss for me is that Trump *signed the law* upgrading the penalties for some of these crimes.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 12, 2022, 03:39:51 pm
Well you knew that POS was going nuclear when he put out his statement using Obama’s middle name..

Yes I used the word nuclear

I hope everyone outed, sue him.. of course they have get in line behind all the other lawsuits..

Let’s check in with Brent Terhune and see what’s on his mind

https://twitter.com/brentterhune/status/1558152396362096641?s=21&t=A8cFxgc79KrF9Q7-e-mZnQ
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 12, 2022, 03:57:22 pm
I’m always reminded that in Maryland that if the cops pull you over and they think they smell weed, it’s probable cause to search the vehicle.. which of course can lead to arrests.. of course it’s never that simple if your doing white collar criming
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 12, 2022, 04:24:50 pm
Source? Same person that said Anee Heche is dead?
@DonLew87
Trump apparently leaked the warrant to Breitbart. The DOJ had sought to redact or shield the names of agents involved. Trump took no caution. The Breitbart article has names of agents, which obviously puts a target on their back. Reprehensible. Trump needs to be stopped. Enough.

Mehdi Hasan@mehdirhasan
Hold on, Breitbart just put out the names of the FBI agents who did the search? Are you kidding me? And presumably Breitbart got leaked this search warrant from Trump, unredacted?
Wow good luck to those agents & their families. Sheesh the right don’t give a damn about ‘the blue’.

so i checked out Breibart, so you don't have to.  they have not posted the documents themselves, only described the contents (including divulging the names of the FBI agents).  they gunno getz demselves SUED.

the federal judge in FL who authorized the warrant has just signed off on its release, pending redactions of PII (like names of agents) and classified info.  won't have to depend on Breibart's politicized interpretation (reminds me of when Barr "summarized" the Mueller report)

one thing the Breibart leak/fart did reveal:

Hugo Lowell
@hugolowell
NEW via Breitbart: Trump under investigation per search warrant for:
18 USC 2071 — Concealment, removal or mutilation
18 USC 793 — Gathering, transmitting or losing defence information
18 USC 1519 — Destruction, alteration or falsification of records in Federal investigations
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 12, 2022, 04:28:31 pm
LOL: Faux Newz aired a photoshoped image of the federal judge who signed the warrant in jeffrey epstein's plane having his feet massage by that ghislaine woman (https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/1558094707657510912). they gunno getz demselves SUED.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2022, 04:42:45 pm
LOL: Faux Newz aired a photoshoped image of the federal judge who signed the warrant in jeffrey epstein's plane having his feet massage by that ghislaine woman (https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/1558094707657510912). they gunno getz demselves SUED.
oh come on...you don't think this is an appropriate apology (it's not)

Brian Kilmeade@kilmeade
Last night while subbing for Tucker Carlson, we showed you an image of Judge Bruce Reinhart w/ Ghislaine Maxwell that was sourced on screen to a meme pulled from Twitter & wasn’t real. This depiction never took place & we wanted to make clear that we were showing a meme in jest.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 12, 2022, 04:52:09 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ_ROeEWYAEseXM?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 12, 2022, 05:05:53 pm
 But but but there is still the emails and the laptop…  so grift away..
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 13, 2022, 11:15:28 am
Good summary.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-indictment-over-mishandling-classified-222107255.html

I would love to see Trump in jail for 15 years
Would we see widespread looting and disorder?
Could a future -shudder- Republican president pardon him?

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Mobius on August 13, 2022, 11:51:55 am
Dude has all the leverage so nothing will happen. He’s got all the state secrets and his affiliates have all the other secrets. You try to take him down he will take everyone down with him.  It will take a massive profile in courage to follow through - and the cast of characters here like Garland, Biden, Wray and whoever else have no will to do it. So enjoy the show but it’s more of the same.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 13, 2022, 12:38:28 pm
🐝 kill
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 14, 2022, 03:28:47 am
did something last night that i hadn't in a while: listened to Brooks and Capehart (https://youtu.be/qvXQxaVaGjs?t=359).  they pointed out that we are headed for a collision between the judicial and political systems.  it's going to take months and month before trump is charged, and he's going to fight and delay the proceedings as much as he can - possibly so it stretches into GOP primaries and, heaven forbid, the general election.  what then?  how are conservatives going to react if trump is cruising along in the primaries but suddenly gets hauled away?  what if he goes down during the general?  imagine if he's in the lead, the forecasted winner in 2024 - how is the right going to react? 

imagine if trump's DOJ arrested biden in early 2020 on some (perceived) flimsy charges - there would have been riots in the streets.  now imagine that those rioters all have guns... 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 14, 2022, 10:57:02 am
David Brooks = worst political pundit in the country. (*)













(*) tie with Thomas Friedman
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 14, 2022, 10:04:08 pm
I see your Brooks (and Friedman) and raise you a Mark Thiessen.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 15, 2022, 01:01:59 am
I see your Brooks (and Friedman) and raise you a Mark Thiessen.

Ok great point.

I am not including self-evident party hacks but should have added that caveat.

Thiessen is a joke.

Brooks and Friedman have been proven wrong so many times but I do think they actually believe what they are saying or writing when they do so…..

Guys like Thiessen I think are aware they are writing drivel and propaganda.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 15, 2022, 01:13:11 pm
Everything The FBI Seized During The Raid At Mar-A-Lago

https://www.theonion.com/everything-the-fbi-seized-during-the-raid-at-mar-a-lago-1849406417

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 15, 2022, 05:05:16 pm
David Brooks = worst political pundit in the country. (*)

really?  i often don't agree with his right-of-center POVs but they're generally well-reasoned and defensible, IMO.

but beyond dismissing his arguments in toto, any thoughts on what would happen if a front-running candidate trump gets convicted and jailed?  the potential for another J6-type uprising/insurrection seems really, really high.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 15, 2022, 05:09:41 pm
so not only do MAGAts want to defund the FBI, they also want to label it a terrorist organization:

"Kevin Smith, a Republican running for the U.S. Senate in New Hampshire, was booed on Sunday while answering questions about whether he supports a proposal to dismantle the FBI or label the bureau a terrorist organization." (source (https://www.newsweek.com/new-hampshire-republican-senate-candidate-kevin-smith-booed-rejecting-fbi-shut-down-comment-1733775))

jesus h.  i can't even.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 15, 2022, 07:56:59 pm
trump lawyer says (https://twitter.com/myndmaven/status/1559013870299119622), on TV, that the trump legal team "has done a very thorough search [of the documents]" and didn't see anything problematic.

you know what is problematic?  admitting you reviewed secret and top secret documents without a security clearance.  puts them in a boat highly adjacent to their boss', AKA the mighty USS Espionage Act.

absolute clown car.  guess that's the quality of lawyer you're left with after a lifetime of stiffing lawyers and/or throwing them under the bus.  too bad, he could really use some good lawyers soon...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 16, 2022, 12:52:07 pm
looking like Mark meadows is getting thrown under the bus
not that we didn't see that happening
hope he turns on them
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 16, 2022, 04:10:23 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/300072144_3325959764395655_3680568431729854366_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=RuaC1yWT6_sAX8ePDQd&tn=IqFKt2B0xkPGx1JU&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AT-KRz9EyP0odHGQOfqrkc7w67x6lHEjo2iVd2_8hNe_9w&oe=63002EE6)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 17, 2022, 05:04:59 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaPlP6KWIAIZ8Vz?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2022, 05:14:54 pm
^oh that's really good!

@sandibachom
I heard something interesting legal twitter. By burying someone on your property, it can't be seized, say in a RICO case?

also just saw this too
 Trump Org CFO Allen Weisselberg expected to plead GUILTY on Thursday and admit to 15 felonies. As part of the deal, he has reportedly agreed to testify against Donald Trump's companies.


took many months/years for all this to fall into place, amazing how many of these things hit in the last few weeks
Obviously adding to the 'witch hunt' chants
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 17, 2022, 06:57:57 pm
also just saw this too
 Trump Org CFO Allen Weisselberg expected to plead GUILTY on Thursday and admit to 15 felonies. As part of the deal, he has reportedly agreed to testify against Donald Trump's companies.


interesting, first time i've seen this.  everything i've read so far said that he would get 5 months of jail time but no cooperation agreement... he wouldn't be made to testify.  we might find out tomorrow.


edit: twitter is now full of Weisselberg-will-cooperate content, but sounds like it's limited cooperation: he'll testify against the company but not any persons, his cooperation may be limited to existing cases, etc.  sounds like he's not an unlimited witness, which is usually the requirement in a plead deal.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 17, 2022, 08:08:33 pm
So TFG is endorsing someone other than the hair from FL and alleged trafficker… and now there is an ad suggestion he’s the spyville-a-lago mole?  Guess the hair can only take you so far

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1559994885872156673?s=21&t=xqzBgUfWUU9G6_Ic2f40YQ
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 18, 2022, 02:12:12 am
in other news: the DOJ grand jury investigating the lead-up to Jan.6 issued a subpoena back in May to the National Archives (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/us/politics/jan-6-grand-jury-subpoena.html) for all white house documents provided to the J6 committee.  they've been moving in lock-step for months now.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 18, 2022, 09:31:08 am
Do you work for MSNBC?

If not, you should.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2022, 09:39:16 am
Do you work for MSNBC?

If not, you should.

The Boilover with your host: Sweetcell
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 18, 2022, 09:44:15 am
Is this Sweetcell?!?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Melber#/media/File%3AAri_Melber_(2018).png
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on August 18, 2022, 10:55:42 am
Do you work for MSNBC?

If not, you should.

i aspire to the NY Times, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 18, 2022, 11:03:00 am
Do you work for MSNBC?

If not, you should.

i aspire to the NY Times, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

And have people on Twitter constantly complain about your reporting?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2022, 11:08:44 am
Do you work for MSNBC?

If not, you should.

i aspire to the NY Times, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

And have people on Twitter constantly complain about your reporting?
that's how you know you are doing a good job
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on August 18, 2022, 11:52:32 am
Maggie H.


Yay or nay?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2022, 12:20:16 pm
I think she has value, she did do some damage with her actions to her rep
TBH, i only read her tweets, not full NYT articles
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on September 13, 2022, 01:24:25 am
a little light reading/watching... can we still impeach him & Barr retroactively, right?

https://twitter.com/DrydenNovelette/status/1569501692240216064 (https://twitter.com/DrydenNovelette/status/1569501692240216064) (watch the vid!)
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/justice-department-pressured-us-attorney-bring-cases-trump/story?id=89745338 (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/justice-department-pressured-us-attorney-bring-cases-trump/story?id=89745338)
https://twitter.com/SnipzPA/status/1569496626892533762 (https://twitter.com/SnipzPA/status/1569496626892533762)
https://twitter.com/SusanKBradford/status/1569500850304819207 (https://twitter.com/SusanKBradford/status/1569500850304819207)

apparently the senate judiciary committee has opened an investigation into the allegations made in Berman's book.  same ol' same ol'.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on September 13, 2022, 01:34:24 am
then there's this lil' tidbit:

DOJ subpoenas more than 30 people in Trump's orbit in Jan. 6 probe (https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/12/politics/trump-orbit-grand-jury-subpoenas-justice-department-january-6/index.html)
Top officials from Trump's fundraising and former campaign operation are among dozens of associates who received grand jury subpoenas in recent days
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on September 13, 2022, 01:43:21 am
then there's the weird story of trump showing up at Dulles on a private plane, unannounced and unexpectedly.  he was wearing golf clothes, including cleats (https://twitter.com/snide_sally/status/1569487756459671553), as if he rushed to the plane so quickly he didn't have time to even change.  early speculation was that he had a medical emergency and was headed to walter reed.  then today he's photographed at his Sterling golf course with McCarthy, Nunes, Eric, Hannity and a few other heavies - except they're all just standing around, not a golf club in sight, in the rain (https://twitter.com/KarenInSoFlo/status/1569388381402005508).  avoiding eavesdroppers?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on September 13, 2022, 06:56:15 am
then there's the weird story of trump showing up at Dulles on a private plane, unannounced and unexpectedly.  he was wearing golf clothes, including cleats (https://twitter.com/snide_sally/status/1569487756459671553), as if he rushed to the plane so quickly he didn't have time to even change.  early speculation was that he had a medical emergency and was headed to walter reed.  then today he's photographed at his Sterling golf course with McCarthy, Nunes, Eric, Hannity and a few other heavies - except they're all just standing around, not a golf club in sight, in the rain (https://twitter.com/KarenInSoFlo/status/1569388381402005508).  avoiding eavesdroppers?

Is there any mainstream news confirmation that those other guys were actually there, or is that just Twitter speculation?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 13, 2022, 09:09:25 am

Is there any mainstream news confirmation that those other guys were actually there, or is that just Twitter speculation?
it's been a lot of twitter speculation, but there are a bunch of photos and videos of them on a golf course...without golf clubs
clearly to avoid bugs and stuff
I'm sure they are livid those photos got out
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on September 13, 2022, 03:33:00 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaJY5k8WYAEoQ4U?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2022, 09:17:56 pm
Letitia James says she's making a "major announcement" tomorrow morning at 10:30. What will it be?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on September 23, 2022, 04:28:56 pm
[Kid Rock] was shocked when Trump asked him, "'What do you think we should do about North Korea' and I'm like 'What? I don't think I'm qualified to answer this.'"

(...)

Kid Rock recalled looking at maps with Trump when he asked if it was appropriate for him to be looking at something like that, implying that it was a classified document.

"I'm like, 'Am I supposed to be in on [this] sh*t?'" Kid Rock said as he and Carlson laughed.

source: Kid Rock feared Trump was showing him classified maps about North Korea (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-kid-rock-classified-information/)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 13, 2022, 02:28:12 pm
file under "grifters gonna grift": days before he got sued by Letitia James in NY, he created a new company in Delaware.  on the day Trump was sued in NY, he registered the new company in NY as "Trump Organization II".  James is seeking an injunction against the transfer of any assets from v1 to v2.

Trump Forms New Company, Drawing Scrutiny From N.Y. Attorney General (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/nyregion/trump-ny-lawsuit-james.html)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 13, 2022, 02:32:18 pm
file under "grifters gonna grift": days before he got sued by Letitia James in NY, he created a new company in Delaware.  on the day Trump was sued in NY, he registered the new company in NY as "Trump Organization II".  James is seeking an injunction against the transfer of any assets from v1 to v2.

Trump Forms New Company, Drawing Scrutiny From N.Y. Attorney General (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/nyregion/trump-ny-lawsuit-james.html)

Has anybody asked Sammy Hagar what he thinks about this?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 13, 2022, 03:19:28 pm
Jan 6 Committee (edit: Plans to) subpoena Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 13, 2022, 03:27:46 pm
Jan 6 Committee (edit: Plans to) subpoena Donald Trump.

just issued a subpoena to trump!!!  wow...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 13, 2022, 03:38:52 pm
Jan 6 Committee (edit: Plans to) subpoena Donald Trump.

just issued a subpoena to trump!!!  wow...
of course I had to get on a call and missed it
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 13, 2022, 03:52:28 pm
if the GOP takes over the House at the midterms (538 saying GOP has a 70% change of doing so), the committee and its subpoena will disappear.  trump will invariably take this to court and delay, delay, delay so it goes beyond january.

unfortunately i don't think this will move the needle, so chance of trump actually testifying are pretty low.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 13, 2022, 03:55:16 pm
chance of trump actually testifying are pretty low.
very low and if he does...will plead the 5th, so won't really do anything
but donny is not good at keeping his mouth shut in front of the cameras...so could be interesting if he actually shows
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 13, 2022, 03:56:10 pm
in other news: SCOTUS declines trump's request for emergency relief RE: the 100 classified documents that the special master is barred from reviewing and are currently in the hands of the DOJ.

tough day for TFG.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 13, 2022, 04:06:25 pm
wow a double shutout

9-0 SCOTUS
9-0 committee
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on October 13, 2022, 04:31:55 pm
Insight: If House majority flips, Trump subpoena could prove moot

By Paul Kane
The drama of voting to subpoena a former president will now meet a political and legal reality: Donald Trump can probably just slow-walk this demand for his testimony into extinction.

The Jan. 6 committee’s lease on life depends almost entirely on the midterm elections next month, and if current trends hold, Republicans are likely to flip more than the five seats they need to take the majority.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), already issued a subpoena by the committee, has said he has no intention of continuing the panel’s work — or at least not in the current manner of the probe’s focus on Trump.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 13, 2022, 04:36:02 pm
What's the statute of limitations on Trump's crimes?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 13, 2022, 09:14:08 pm
What's the statute of limitations on Trump's crimes?
you need to be more specific, there are many
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 13, 2022, 09:14:37 pm
chance of trump actually testifying are pretty low.
very low and if he does...will plead the 5th, so won't really do anything
but donny is not good at keeping his mouth shut in front of the cameras...so could be interesting if he actually shows
man, this would be some must see TV if he does

Trump wants to testify before the J6 committee — but only if they broadcast his testimony live: NYT
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on October 13, 2022, 10:06:17 pm
I don’t know why you guys keep falling for the Trump clown show.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on October 14, 2022, 01:01:16 pm
very low and if he does...will plead the 5th, so won't really do anything

for trump, personally, i would be humiliating to sit in front of a camera (AKA in front of the nation) and be forced to plead the fifth to basic questions such as "did you participate in the attempts to illegally overthrow the 2020 election?" or "did your actions violate the US constitution?".  i seriously wonder if he would have the personal discipline to keep his mouth shut when most needed.  would not want to be the lawyer sitting beside him whose job it is to tell him to shut up.

Trump wants to testify before the J6 committee — but only if they broadcast his testimony live: NYT

i would absolutely take that deal if i was the J6.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 14, 2022, 01:07:24 pm
problem her is he is going to run the clock and the GQP will win the house in the mid terms

I think in the end, the Dems should have done all this in the spring...they wanted this stuff to be the 'October Suprise'


Only thing we are going to hear from Jan 2023 on is Hunter Biden...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on October 14, 2022, 01:09:26 pm
very low and if he does...will plead the 5th, so won't really do anything

for trump, personally, i would be humiliating to sit in front of a camera (AKA in front of the nation) and be forced to plead the fifth to basic questions such as "did you participate in the attempts to illegally overthrow the 2020 election?" or "did your actions violate the US constitution?".  i seriously wonder if he would have the personal discipline to keep his mouth shut when most needed.  would not want to be the lawyer sitting beside him whose job it is to tell him to shut up.

Trump wants to testify before the J6 committee — but only if they broadcast his testimony live: NYT

i would absolutely take that deal if i was the J6.

He is a con man. You can’t make deals with this guy. He has no word. Have we learned nothing?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 17, 2022, 03:28:38 pm
chance of trump actually testifying are pretty low.
very low and if he does...will plead the 5th, so won't really do anything
but donny is not good at keeping his mouth shut in front of the cameras...so could be interesting if he actually shows
man, this would be some must see TV if he does

Trump wants to testify before the J6 committee — but only if they broadcast his testimony live: NYT

Adam "special K" says that they may agree to his terms
https://www.politicalflare.com/2022/10/adam-kinzinger-committee-may-agree-to-trumps-demands-and-allow-him-to-testify-live/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on October 17, 2022, 05:24:45 pm
Why do think he would plead the 5th?

I think he would take the opportunity to ignore every question, be repugnant and say whatever the hell he wants and fire up his base on National TV.  He can't get that kind of airtime right now without it.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on October 18, 2022, 12:21:33 am
Except he might not trust himself not to have a Jack Nicholson “I ordered the code red” moment


But..yeah, pretty much…
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Mobius on October 18, 2022, 10:26:53 am
I can’t think of any situation where he has acted when he hasn’t been in total control of the situation or owned the location.  So I vote no show or Fif Fif Fif (and in that case only if there are no cameras)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on October 18, 2022, 11:56:33 am
It’s definitely a tough call.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on October 18, 2022, 02:35:07 pm
Except he might not trust himself not to have a Jack Nicholson “I ordered the code red” moment

You're god damn right he ordered the Code Red! 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2022, 03:24:04 pm
jez...little late now

Attorney General Merrick Garland will name special counsel in Trump criminal probes (2)

One is focused on whether Trump broke the law and obstructed justice in connection with his removal of hundreds of documents from the White House, which were shipped to his residence at Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida.

The other probe is related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot by a mob of Trump supporters.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on November 18, 2022, 03:25:18 pm
He is doing it cause trump announced he is running for president

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2022, 03:28:08 pm
He is doing it cause trump announced he is running for president
yeah, but wouldn't the smarter move to done it prior to that
now he can whine 'it's a political attack on a person running for office'

doesn't matter

Some have argued that the SC is good because the DOJ can quietly stop the investigation with out giving a reason
while a SC has to give a reason if they don't prosecute
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on November 18, 2022, 03:39:49 pm
Trump was going to whine regardless. This is more about demonstrating to the American people - those that haven’t lost their minds- that “the book” is being followed to a T.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: vansmack on November 18, 2022, 05:23:42 pm
jez...little late now

No.  The Special Counsel is simply taking over what the DOJ was already doing, and, as was stated, this is simply a formality because Trump announced.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on December 05, 2022, 01:12:22 pm
So what's the over/under on a Walker win tomorrow?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 05, 2022, 01:19:59 pm
So what's the over/under on a Walker win tomorrow?

you can't over/under a binary outcome :P

i'm concerned about turnout - that's what drove Warnock's previous victory.  hoping that trump's recent quote about "terminating" the constitution will spook a few folks into voting... TBD.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2022, 01:57:30 pm
So what's the over/under on a Walker win tomorrow?
what I'm reading it's looking really good.  Early turnout was very good
but we'll know tomorrow night (maybe)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on December 05, 2022, 02:24:57 pm
Uh oh…we are in trouble
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2022, 03:08:57 pm
Uh oh…we are in trouble
why, because I said it was looking good?
I mean that is the kiss of death, but don't think that many GA voters are on this board

I have faith in Bouzy
@cbouzy
🔔Here is my Georgia runoff prediction: Raphael Warnock will win by 3 - 4 points.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 05, 2022, 03:31:54 pm
So what's the over/under on a Walker win tomorrow?
what I'm reading it's looking really good.  Early turnout was very good

wait, i thought early turnout favored Warnock?

but we'll know tomorrow night (maybe)

probably not, election officials already put out the word that final results will take a few days - especially given how close it's expected to be.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2022, 03:35:40 pm
So what's the over/under on a Walker win tomorrow?
what I'm reading it's looking really good.  Early turnout was very good

wait, i thought early turnout favored Warnock?

It does...
but we'll know tomorrow night (maybe)
Quote

probably not, election officials already put out the word that final results will take a few days - especially given how close it's expected to be.
if he's up by 3-4 points, they will call it. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 05, 2022, 05:15:49 pm
I’d set the line at Warnock -2.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 07, 2022, 06:11:42 pm
trump's lawyers arranged for a private firm to search 4 trump properties.  they found more classified material (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/07/trump-tower-bedminster-records-search/) in a storage unit, but nothing at bedminster nor trump tower. 

and the masses were SHOCKED.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 15, 2022, 12:34:44 pm
file under "i suffered to find this out, so you don't have to" -

as teased for a while now, trump has just made a #MajorAnnouncement (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MajorAnnouncement&src=trend_click&vertical=trends).

holy fuck. DEFINITELY an impeachable offence. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 15, 2022, 12:45:13 pm
NFTs are now done and dusted ;D

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 15, 2022, 01:23:39 pm
This is so wild. I thought for sure he was going to genius brain it and announce DeSantis as his VP pick — without giving Ron any advance notice — but this is so much funnier.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 15, 2022, 01:29:12 pm
what a freaking grifter.   sad and pathetic, but guaranteed to make a ton of cash for literally nothing

lots are saying that he really was foolish with his 2024 announcement as every action is now viewed from a tax perspective as a part of the campaign fundraising and scrutinized much more heavily
although this is the third time, so I'm sure his lawyers knew exactly what to do
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 15, 2022, 01:30:44 pm
guaranteed to make a ton of cash for literally nothing
Is it? He and Melania have went down the NFT route before and it failed to garner a lot of interest.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 15, 2022, 01:45:42 pm
guaranteed to make a ton of cash for literally nothing
Is it? He and Melania have went down the NFT route before and it failed to garner a lot of interest.
Had no idea how that played out...but the real answer is hysterical...and sad
https://news.artnet.com/market/did-melania-trump-buy-her-own-nft-2071931

spoiler alert: Melania Trump bought her own NFT for $185,000


But the maga's don't really LOVE her like they worship him
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 15, 2022, 01:47:35 pm
guaranteed to make a ton of cash for literally nothing
Is it? He and Melania have went down the NFT route before and it failed to garner a lot of interest.

it's called "know your customer", and in this case they clearly don't.  the dixie-flag waving overweight mouth-breathers that make up the majority of his supporters - i.e. the people willing/stupid enough to buy these things - have no idea what an NFT is or why they would want one (as opposed to me, who knows what an NFT and still has no idea why anyone would want one). 

he would have done better to release physical printed trading cards. 
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 15, 2022, 01:49:06 pm
the dixie-flag waving overweight mouth-breathers that make up the majority of his supporters - i.e. the people willing/stupid enough to buy these things - have no idea what an NFT is or why they would want one (as opposed to me, who knows what an NFT and still has no idea why anyone would want one). 


he would have done better to release actual, physical trading cards.
This is spot on.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 15, 2022, 01:50:35 pm
guaranteed to make a ton of cash for literally nothing
Is it? He and Melania have went down the NFT route before and it failed to garner a lot of interest.

it's called "know your customer", and in this case they clearly don't.  the dixie-flag waving overweight mouth-breathers that make up the majority of his supporters - i.e. the people willing/stupid enough to buy these things - have no idea what an NFT is or why they would want one (as opposed to me, who knows what an NFT and still has no idea why anyone would want one). 

he would have done better to release physical printed trading cards.
the garbage pail kids ones are actually a 'buy' in the card trading world
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234767983637



interesting take

@rock_golf
He's not selling cards  He's laundering foreign investors using NFTs.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 15, 2022, 01:55:25 pm
wow...hearing him pitch it like a 2AM commerical for used cars is just off the charts pathetic
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1603433487926706177

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkCN1xmXoAMOBv6?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 15, 2022, 01:59:07 pm
As a "sweepstakes," by law, they must allow you to sign up to have a chance to win these prizes without purchase.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 15, 2022, 02:03:48 pm
hmmm...not even owned by Trump?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkCXD8NXwAYpr1f?format=jpg&name=large)
So I'm curious where CIC Digital monies go?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 15, 2022, 02:26:39 pm
nice family friendly burn

Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
I had some MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS the last couple of weeks, too…

✔️ Inflation’s easing
✔️ I just signed the Respect for Marriage Act
✔️ We brought Brittney Griner home
✔️ Gas prices are lower than a year ago
✔️ 10,000 new high-paying jobs in Arizona
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 15, 2022, 03:48:58 pm
wow...hearing him pitch it like a 2AM commerical for used cars is just off the charts pathetic
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1603433487926706177 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1603433487926706177)

JFC.  i thought this was a parody.  a deep fake mocking this whole NFT disaster.  but no, that's actually him.  how.  fucking.  embarrassing.

"... a chance to win amazing prizes, like dinner with me.  well, i don't know if that's an amazing prize, but it's what we have."
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 15, 2022, 03:51:21 pm
hmmm...not even owned by Trump?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkCXD8NXwAYpr1f?format=jpg&name=large)
So I'm curious where CIC Digital monies go?

trump got paid up front.  this company bought the right to use the donald in an NFT campaign, and he agrees to do all those terrible prizes (dinners, golf rounds, zoom calls, etc.). in return he gets X million dollars.

solving for X: they claim to limit the number of NFTs to 45k, with 1k held back.  so 44k * $99 = $4,356,000.  i can't imagine he got more than half of that.  so the donald did this for less than $2M.  had this price been more widely known, i'm sure some rich liberal would have hired him for an evening of acting and grifting... imagine the possibilities...

actually, i don't think they could have done any better than this actual scam.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 15, 2022, 10:01:32 pm
Best thread on the dumpster fire

Free band name included  - The Undergrifters

https://twitter.com/advodude/status/1603510456601088000?s=46&t=wZ8hZC-QIq5XviS4M3Z5QQ
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 16, 2022, 12:01:42 am
a very good point:

Money from the digital cards will instead be pocketed by Mr. Trump under a licensing deal, a fact that some of his aides acknowledged and expressed concern about. They worry that the move could dilute small-dollar donations to his presidential effort. (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/us/politics/trump-nft-trading-cards-superhero.html)
 
what kind of a rube believes that he's running for president to actually become president?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2022, 12:01:28 pm
file under "i suffered to find this out, so you don't have to" -

as teased for a while now, trump has just made a #MajorAnnouncement (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MajorAnnouncement&src=trend_click&vertical=trends).

holy fuck. DEFINITELY an impeachable offence.
SOLD OUT baby...
obviously a second and third edition to come soon

Someone will make hard cards too
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 16, 2022, 02:26:39 pm
SOLD OUT baby...

i... am soooo.... defeated.

THERE IS NO BOTTOM.  i don't know why i haven't accepted that yet.  my heads knows it, but my heart keeps on hoping that this country isn't that bad... and then... trump takes us lower.  always lower.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on December 16, 2022, 02:28:08 pm
As a "sweepstakes," by law, they must allow you to sign up to have a chance to win these prizes without purchase.

yup (https://collecttrumpcards.com/official-sweepstakes-rules#how-to-enter-the-sweepstakes)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on December 16, 2022, 02:36:00 pm
Cause you are an optimist
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: grateful on December 16, 2022, 05:56:41 pm
SOLD OUT baby...

i... am soooo.... defeated.

THERE IS NO BOTTOM.  i don't know why i haven't accepted that yet.  my heads knows it, but my heart keeps on hoping that this country isn't that bad... and then... trump takes us lower.  always lower.

Sold out because this is a money laundering operation. It's a way to pay Trump a few million dollars (or a way to pay himself a few million) under the cover of buying tangible (er, intangible) goods.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 30, 2022, 02:12:56 pm
The long awaited tax returns are now public

https://t.co/l5sd3QnvRQ

of course, the site crashed ;)
it's working, just downloads a zip of all the docs...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on December 30, 2022, 03:11:01 pm
So we got him now, right!?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 30, 2022, 03:51:13 pm
So we got him now, right!?
welp, not quite yet...but damn is it close

we did get the trump org!
and just that he had to show his taxes I'm sure makes him so fuming that he might just have an aneurysm
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Starsky on December 30, 2022, 05:05:40 pm
So another nothingburger?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 18, 2023, 08:16:31 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmmRGPkacAAoLHo?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Space Freely on January 19, 2023, 09:21:24 am
NEW YORK — Donald Trump mistook his sexual assault accuser E. Jean Carroll for his ex-wife Marla Maples when shown a photograph from the 1990s in a deposition at Mar-a-Lago last year, potentially undermining one of the common defenses he has used to deny an attack.
Trump, who is being sued by Carroll, an author and advice columnist, for defamation and sexual assault stemming from the same alleged encounter, has repeatedly said Carroll is not his “type,” suggesting an assault could not have occurred because he would not have pursued her romantically.
“That’s Marla, yeah. That’s my wife,” Trump said under examination from Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan, in a new selection of excerpts from the deposition that was unsealed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.
Trump’s blunder in a sworn deposition was quickly corrected by his attorney Alina Habba, who told him it was Carroll, not Maples, an actress and singer who was married to Trump from 1993 to 1999.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 19, 2023, 09:26:10 am
not Maples, an actress and singer
did she play the club on touring this album...how'd we all miss this!
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41YMAm7eIGL._UXNaN_FMjpg_QL85_.jpg)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 19, 2023, 10:00:00 am
NEW YORK — Donald Trump mistook his sexual assault accuser E. Jean Carroll for his ex-wife Marla Maples when shown a photograph from the 1990s in a deposition at Mar-a-Lago last year, potentially undermining one of the common defenses he has used to deny an attack.
Trump, who is being sued by Carroll, an author and advice columnist, for defamation and sexual assault stemming from the same alleged encounter, has repeatedly said Carroll is not his “type,” suggesting an assault could not have occurred because he would not have pursued her romantically.
“That’s Marla, yeah. That’s my wife,” Trump said under examination from Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan, in a new selection of excerpts from the deposition that was unsealed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.
Trump’s blunder in a sworn deposition was quickly corrected by his attorney Alina Habba, who told him it was Carroll, not Maples, an actress and singer who was married to Trump from 1993 to 1999.


that whole deposition where he gives his typical word salad answers to questions is preciously why he'll never face in open court questioning as he's likely to blurt out some critical piece of information regarding national security on the stand... dude just needs to be shipped of to a island...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on January 23, 2023, 07:37:34 pm
perhaps you've seen the headline (https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/23/politics/fbi-official-charles-mcgonigal/index.html) of an FBI agent who was arrested because he is accused of taking money from and working with a russian oligarch... but, there's more! 
 
Kaivan Shroff @KaivanShroff (https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/status/1617613877868662785)
Just to be clear, when the New York Times reported that the FBI saw “no link between Trump and Russia” — a week before the 2016 election — the FBI agent who was just arrested over ties to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska was heading up the investigation.

Just an absolute scandal.


Fox News: Retired top FBI counterintelligence agent who led Trump-Russia probe arrested for own ties to Russian oligarch (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/retired-top-fbi-counterintelligence-agent-led-trump-russia-probe-arrested-own-ties-russian-oligarch)

Daily Beast: Ex-FBI Agent Who Probed Trump’s Russia Ties Is Under Investigation for Russia Ties (https://www.thedailybeast.com/charles-mcgonigal-fbi-agent-who-probed-trumps-russia-ties-is-probed-for-his-own-russia-ties)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on March 17, 2023, 11:33:20 pm
"the NYPD, New York State Court Officers, the U.S. Secret Service, the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, and the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office walk into a conference room..."

City, state and federal law enforcement agencies meet about how to prep for possible Trump indictment
 (https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/17/politics/law-enforcement-prepare-possible-trump-indictment/index.html)

An indictment would involve setting a date and time for Trump to surrender. Trump’s US Secret Service detail would deliver him to the Manhattan district attorney’s office for fingerprinting and then taking mugshots in offices of the district attorney’s detective squad. As is customary in cases where a defendant is allowed to voluntarily surrender, after arrest processing, the former president would be brought directly to an arraignment before a judge where he would likely be released on his own recognizance.

Law enforcement officials who are privy to the discussions said several concerns have been discussed in the planning process, including courthouse security and the potential for demonstrations or rallies outside of the courthouse by Trump supporters and/or counter demonstrations by anti-Trump protesters, with the risk of the two groups clashing.


or, as walkies might summarize it:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Frc09irXoAIgIxo?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2023, 06:15:30 pm
congress didn't seize the opportunity to impeach him, but the Manhattan DA will take a swing at convicting him as a civilian... a day that i thought would never come:

Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news)
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Hutch on March 30, 2023, 06:21:08 pm
Congress did impeach him. Twice.

Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 30, 2023, 06:37:27 pm
Congress did impeach him. Twice.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2023, 06:40:36 pm
correct, i should have added "... and convict"
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 30, 2023, 06:46:24 pm
I honestly see no court upholding the legal theory that elevates this to a felony.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2023, 06:53:36 pm
well, let's start by seeing the charges.  cohen got 3 years for his involvement, so clearly there's a "there" there...
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Hutch on March 30, 2023, 06:55:15 pm
well, let's start by seeing the charges.  cohen got 3 years for his involvement, so clearly there's a "there" there...

Cohen’s case is completely different.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Hutch on March 31, 2023, 07:17:28 am
Ok 34 counts of business fraud? Seems like more than Stormy
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2023, 07:24:13 am
Ok 34 counts of business fraud? Seems like more than Stormy
is hutch coming around?
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on March 31, 2023, 12:19:43 pm
Ok 34 counts of business fraud? Seems like more than Stormy

thus giving this theory legs:
 
there is a theory out there that the DA might be going for more than just individual, unrelated crimes.  instead, they might try making this a RICO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act) case by arguing that the long list of (at times low-level) crimes are symptomatic of an inherently corrupt organization.  should they go for this grand-slam, more crimes will be heaped on to the stormy thing.
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: Hutch on March 31, 2023, 12:22:21 pm
Well I sure hope!
Title: Re: Maybe we should just impeach Trump
Post by: sweetcell on March 31, 2023, 05:50:48 pm
lol: https://twitter.com/FallonTonight/status/1641579047971962880