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Title: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 27, 2020, 09:03:05 pm
Why Diet Coke May Be in Shorter Supply Due to Spread of Virus (https://www.nbcwashington.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/why-diet-coke-may-be-in-shorter-supply-due-to-spread-of-virus/2226250/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 27, 2020, 09:21:53 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/kx4hSnK/smallpox.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 10:42:43 am
Mick Mulvaney at CPAC: Coronavirus is the Dem’s new favorite hoax. They want to bring down the President.
- Audience cheers

we are soo fucked...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 28, 2020, 10:45:35 am
 :-\
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 28, 2020, 11:19:54 am
Mick Mulvaney at CPAC: Coronavirus is the Dem’s new favorite hoax. They want to bring down the President.
- Audience cheers

we are soo fucked...

On a tangential note, my wife has had the misfortune of being in the same room as Mulvaney, and just last night noted that he looks like this person, who was someone my daughter encountered in a middle school history lesson yesterday. Seems like they could be related.

https://www.thoughtco.com/carrie-nation-biography-3530547

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 11:45:09 am
love learning new history...she does look like mick :)

she sure had some hutzpah and I bet fun at parties

Carrie Nation took bricks with her to a saloon. With a group of women, she entered the saloon, and began to sing and pray. Then she took the bricks and smashed bottles, furniture and any pictures they deemed pornographic. This was repeated at other saloons. Her husband suggested that a hatchet would be more effective; she adopted that instead of bricks in her saloon-smashing, calling these smashings "hatchetations."

and my new nom de plume
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 12:04:04 pm
Wow...do we have an economy going to the shitter thread

on 2/20/20...DJ closed 29,219
today...8 days later DJ has already gone below 25K a few times today!

(don't lecture me on the DJ...I know it's only 30 stocks)

Does anyone know how to track the Volfefe Index


I really think it would be great if someone handed this out at his rally tonight in SC
(https://images.axios.com/Om7Xi70QZG0PjKtUjQv_XyzCBak=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2020/02/06/1581033037278.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 28, 2020, 12:22:16 pm
If this pans out, it will not be good.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3052775/coronavirus-dog-hong-kong-covid-19-patient-tests
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 28, 2020, 01:39:53 pm
Does anyone know how to track the Volfefe Index
Only economic indicator you need to be concerned with is the covfefe index.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 02:06:44 pm
Does anyone know how to track the Volfefe Index
Only economic indicator you need to be concerned with is the covfefe index.
Exactly, but I can only find articles about JPmorgan creating it in Sept
is it an insiders only index?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 28, 2020, 02:29:25 pm
is it an insiders only index?
If you have to ask, you're poor.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 02:43:17 pm
is it an insiders only index?
If you have to ask, you're poor.
Can confirm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 02:45:48 pm
whoa...Trump was right to be against Chinise 5G

Dr. Pall has made perfectly clear, Wuhan City in China, where the outbreak started, was the initial site of the most intense rollout of 5G wireless technology on the planet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 28, 2020, 03:22:42 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/ZMMy0WH/coronamemes.jpg) (https://twitter.com/EandTmagazine/status/1232337444902756353)

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/000/015/oreally.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 28, 2020, 04:22:47 pm
The market reaction:

https://money.cnn.com/data/fear-and-greed/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 04:30:49 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/87784171_10157104698522215_4236445613517963264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=_NyeeatGYcsAX9yJcoo&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=63f59908daf23b48c6f1acf6b9702325&oe=5EECD915)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 28, 2020, 04:49:35 pm
Shit just got real.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/entertainment/amazing-race-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 28, 2020, 05:10:25 pm
from ^ article...just incase Relaxer is still among the living....

The entertainment industry is starting to feel the effects of fears over coronavirus. Musical acts like Green Day and BTS have canceled tour stops.


(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89051231_10158101049718112_5308470227988643840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=L_z7z3BnZagAX_xfC--&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=0e0ae5ba731559bc155b7df75d563020&oe=5EBBB51D)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on February 28, 2020, 06:41:04 pm
Mick Mulvaney at CPAC: Coronavirus is the Dem’s new favorite hoax. They want to bring down the President.
- Audience cheers

we are soo fucked...

art of the deal:

(https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/88210260_2899040836809333_49257871816261632_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQm83sw3_HoikyCyytzgNX9bpfllET-k3q4PDARc4cNcNEKbwC39c0OncM4-ZSZ4klw&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=f672b13e8bc712400a44aa785b410d53&oe=5EEBF54B)

all 8 of the top 8; 9 of the top 10; 14 of the top 20.  this is all-time, since the dow jones has existed.  trump = 14, all other presidents = 6.  WINNING.
(backup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_daily_changes_in_the_Dow_Jones_Industrial_Average))
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2020, 07:13:32 pm
you have to look at it in terms of percentage loss not number of “points”

I dislike Trump but I don’t think it’s entirely fair to blame him for this..

It just shows how desperate democrats are...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on February 28, 2020, 07:57:04 pm
you have to look at it in terms of percentage loss not number of “points”

I dislike Trump but I don’t think it’s entirely fair to blame him for this..

It just shows how desperate democrats are...

This is why the Republicans will win.  How many times do you think Republicans made rational arguments like this to Trump after his tweets?   They don't.   

But by playing the same game Dems are described as "desperate" despite everything in that tweet being factually correct.

One party is playing chess while the other is playing checkers.  And only one party is winning.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2020, 08:29:51 pm
I need a translator


It’s factually correct but irrelevant


Stocks have had a huge run up...so they are shedding a bit...they may recover very quickly...few if any Americans may die

How will democrats look if that happens and they made a huge deal and said the end of the world is coming due to Trump’s incompetence dealing with the corona virus?

But your mileage may vary

My feeling is democrats will lose cause economy is humming along, a lot of Americans actually like Trump and democrats are in disarray

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 29, 2020, 05:57:33 pm
1st US coronavirus death in Washington State....be safe sweets (and the whole pacific NW)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on February 29, 2020, 06:22:55 pm
1st US coronavirus death in Washington State....be safe sweets (and the whole pacific NW)

President Trump described the patient as a “wonderful woman” and a “medically high-risk patient” in her late 50s, at the news conference. Jeffrey Duchin, chief health officer for Seattle and King County, later clarified that the patient was a man in his 50s with underlying conditions.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 29, 2020, 06:28:54 pm
1st US coronavirus death in Washington State....be safe sweets (and the whole pacific NW)

President Trump described the patient as a “wonderful woman” and a “medically high-risk patient” in her late 50s, at the news conference. Jeffrey Duchin, chief health officer for Seattle and King County, later clarified that the patient was a man in his 50s with underlying conditions.
So you’re saying it was definitely Sweetcell?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 29, 2020, 10:37:47 pm
A-
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 29, 2020, 11:44:26 pm
whoa...Trump was right to be against Chinise 5G

Dr. Pall has made perfectly clear, Wuhan City in China, where the outbreak started, was the initial site of the most intense rollout of 5G wireless technology on the planet.
the new conspiracy theories are getting interesting...and this person is running for congress
JoanneWrightForCongress@JWrightforCA34
The Corona virus was man-made.  Bill Gates is one of  the financiers of the Wujan lab where it was being developed.  I wouldn’t put it past them and by “them” I mean everyone from Adam Schiff to George Soros, Hillary Clinton and the Pope.  #DeepStateCabal #KAG2020 @CIA https://twitter.com/MissILmom/stat
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 02, 2020, 01:07:53 am
1st US coronavirus death in Washington State....be safe sweets (and the whole pacific NW)

President Trump described the patient as a “wonderful woman” and a “medically high-risk patient” in her late 50s, at the news conference. Jeffrey Duchin, chief health officer for Seattle and King County, later clarified that the patient was a man in his 50s with underlying conditions.
So you’re saying it was definitely Sweetcell?

 ;D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2020, 01:59:41 am
I keep hearing that ween song in my head...


“Are we all going to die?”

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 02, 2020, 12:39:55 pm
Mike Pence and his coronavirus emergency team praying for a solution.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESDyWELWoAA3CiH?format=jpg&name=900x900)
they should have invited marianne williamson to help
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 02, 2020, 01:42:29 pm

Mike Pence and his coronavirus emergency team praying for a solution.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESDyWELWoAA3CiH?format=jpg&name=900x900)
they should have invited marianne williamson to help

if you can pray away the gay, why not the coronavirus?  works for me!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 02, 2020, 10:54:46 pm
I think I'm going to start praying...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESJsLRmUcAA48wZ?format=jpg&name=900x900)
has built teams to solve problems his entire life
teams of lawyers

a press release to promote tweets that promote the how great the POTUS's actions
one would think that a press release would actually describe and detail actions, not suckups kissing his ass
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 03, 2020, 12:52:10 am
nice work there, gov. hogan.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 08:44:57 am
https://twitter.com/into_the_brush/status/1234685467682979840?s=21
This thread is scary
this woman thinks she has the symptoms, lives in Seattle and Her job is physical therapy for the elderly
So being a responsible person she spent hours and hours Called hotlines hospitals urgent care’s primary care doctors to find out she can’t even get tested And pretty much no one knows even how to get tested!!!
I guess you should’ve just called pence first, via prayer hotline
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: K8teebug on March 03, 2020, 09:50:53 am
There aren't enough test kits in the US right now. Can't get respirators anywhere. Clorox, wipes, hand sanitizer, and soap now flying off the shelves.

Anyone read Station Eleven? It's starting to feel like that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2020, 09:58:38 am
We only had two months to get ready!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hemisphire on March 03, 2020, 11:32:38 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-united-states-isnt-handling-the-coronavirus-any-better-than-china/2020/03/01/6807d360-5a7f-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html

Read the last letter, if you had any doubts it's already in this area.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 03, 2020, 11:55:58 am
https://twitter.com/into_the_brush/status/1234685467682979840?s=21
This thread is scary
this woman thinks she has the symptoms, lives in Seattle and Her job is physical therapy for the elderly
So being a responsible person she spent hours and hours Called hotlines hospitals urgent care’s primary care doctors to find out she can’t even get tested And pretty much no one knows even how to get tested!!!
I guess you should’ve just called pence first, via prayer hotline

Yeah, I saw this earlier today too. Between that and an episode of The Daily last week, I am ready to retreat to my doomsday cave. (basement, where the record collection resides)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: K8teebug on March 03, 2020, 12:40:08 pm
I work in Public Health/occupational safety. While it is interesting from a work standpoint, I really don't want to see the worst case scenarios being discussed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2020, 01:52:41 pm
I work in Public Health/occupational safety. While it is interesting from a work standpoint, I really don't want to see the worst case scenarios being discussed.

What purpose does this post serve?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 03, 2020, 01:59:19 pm
I work in Public Health/occupational safety. While it is interesting from a work standpoint, I really don't want to see the worst case scenarios being discussed.

What purpose does this post serve?
she doesn't want to see it...but can't seem to look away
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 03, 2020, 06:50:23 pm
Since a lot of gatherings are gonna inevitably be cancelled, someone came up with this: 


 https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/    (https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 03, 2020, 07:05:09 pm
Since a lot of gatherings are gonna inevitably be cancelled, someone came up with this: 


 https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/    (https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/)

they need to change all the no's to "not yet".
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 03, 2020, 07:43:10 pm
Since a lot of gatherings are gonna inevitably be cancelled, someone came up with this: 


 https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/    (https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/)

Clever.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 03, 2020, 09:02:02 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/NVN829R/my-corona.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 04, 2020, 11:45:36 am
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/04/world/04virus-briefing-wuhan/merlin_169954422_55300178-480d-4f4a-b28d-c0cceb2fe975-threeByTwoMediumAt2X.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=1100)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 04, 2020, 12:30:23 pm
dude.  what's going on in that pic?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 04, 2020, 12:44:35 pm
dude.  what's going on in that pic?

Covid 19 Patients awaiting transfer from one hospital to another in Wuhan, China. Front page of NYT online.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 04, 2020, 02:42:54 pm
SXSW to go on, corona virus be damned.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 04, 2020, 04:17:48 pm
best thing i've read so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/)


ADDENDUM: however, someone how knows way more about this stuff that i do pointed out: "The data in China should be taken with a grain of salt: Chinese men smoke more than Chinese women and Chinese populations smoke more than American populations. Smoking is a huge risk factor of respiratory viruses.And a huge caveat to those data and others is the underestimation of the incident rate, which epidemiologists and scientists are saying can be underestimated as much as 10 fold (so that 3% fatality rate becomes a 0.3%...much closer to flu).
Not to say that older people aren’t effected worse, but just to say those numbers are the MAX fatality rate based on potentially faulty data due to the inadequacy of testing/surveillance."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 04:21:26 pm
best thing i've read so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/

THIS>>>>
China can now produce 1.6 million test kits for the novel coronavirus per week. The test delivers a result on the same day. Across the country, anyone who goes to the doctor with a fever is screened for the virus:
I keep hearing that we have like 1000 kits nation wide or something and it takes a few days to get the results?

why can't we just talk to china and say "um how are you making those and can we just buy that from you"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 04:28:35 pm
and when you don't have an answer...always good to blame Obama

Trump on coronavirus testing: "The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we're doing & we undid that decision a few days ago so that testing can take place in a much more accurate & rapid fashion"
!?!?!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 04, 2020, 05:02:08 pm
 Bond movie No Time to Die pushed back to November
 (https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2020/mar/04/james-bond-no-time-to-die-november?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 04, 2020, 10:15:25 pm
Say “COVID-19” like “Come on, Eileen” (https://twitter.com/whysharksmatter/status/1235323054986792963?s=21)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2020, 11:12:46 pm
Nooo... now that’s what I hear when I see it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 04, 2020, 11:44:15 pm
Nooo... now that’s what I hear when I see it
If anything, this makes this near-pandemic seem so much more approachable.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 05, 2020, 08:18:17 am
Say “COVID-19” like “Come on, Eileen” (https://twitter.com/whysharksmatter/status/1235323054986792963?s=21)

Ha, came here to say this.
Also, Ted Leo, Dexys Midnight Runners St. Patrticks Day tribute thing is sunday 3/15 at City Winery.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 05, 2020, 03:09:55 pm
Nooo... now that’s what I hear when I see it
If anything, this makes this near-pandemic seem so much more approachable.

GAWDDAMMIT.  I give talks, updates and presentations on COVID-19 all day.  Now it will come out in song every time....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 05, 2020, 03:20:28 pm
So our idiot in chief does a word salad of  misinformation on faux news and then right on queue blasts other news outlets for reporting on his word salad claiming fake news..

We are so screwed...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 05, 2020, 04:26:05 pm
Nooo... now that’s what I hear when I see it
If anything, this makes this near-pandemic seem so much more approachable.

GAWDDAMMIT.  I give talks, updates and presentations on COVID-19 all day.  Now it will come out in song every time....
TrY wOrKiNg In HeAlTh CaRe AdMiNiStRaTiOn
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 05, 2020, 05:11:59 pm
Nooo... now that’s what I hear when I see it
If anything, this makes this near-pandemic seem so much more approachable.

GAWDDAMMIT.  I give talks, updates and presentations on COVID-19 all day.  Now it will come out in song every time....

For extra effect, say “pandemic” like Van Halen in “Panama”.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 05, 2020, 07:45:10 pm
COVID-19
No we can't dance together
No we can't talk at all
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 05, 2020, 08:22:09 pm
Maryland confirms first cases of coronavirus


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-confirms-three-cases-of-coronavirus/2020/03/05/687def10-5f3d-11ea-b014-4fafa866bb81_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-confirms-three-cases-of-coronavirus/2020/03/05/687def10-5f3d-11ea-b014-4fafa866bb81_story.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2020, 08:28:31 pm
Just not a big fan of this virus

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 05, 2020, 09:50:42 pm
All in Montgomery County:

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1lPJqVDRWodxb?t=1s
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2020, 10:08:44 pm
Festivals are being cancelled!


The Miami techno one and Latin rock Vive Latino in Mexico


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 05, 2020, 10:31:59 pm
I dunno about youse guys, but I ain't gettin' the 'roni
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 05, 2020, 10:40:26 pm
I dunno about youse guys, but I ain't gettin' the 'roni
Rice a Roni? The San Francisco treat?

Shots fired, Vansmack.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 06, 2020, 09:37:11 am
Mayor of Copenhagen is encouraging venues with events of 1000 or more people to cancel them
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 06, 2020, 09:55:44 am
At what point do we shut shit down and everyone stays in their house for a few weeks until we get a grip on this thing? We all could use a vacation anyway.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 06, 2020, 10:15:14 am
At what point do we shut shit down and everyone stays in their house for a few weeks until we get a grip on this thing? We all could use a vacation anyway.
If we all get moved to teleworking, just think of the ancillary cost of all the marriages strained by arguments over house cleaning protocols!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: K8teebug on March 06, 2020, 10:15:29 am
At what point do we shut shit down and everyone stays in their house for a few weeks until we get a grip on this thing? We all could use a vacation anyway.

Honestly, I wish that's what everyone would do.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 06, 2020, 10:32:00 am
At what point do we shut shit down and everyone stays in their house for a few weeks until we get a grip on this thing? We all could use a vacation anyway.
Can you imagine the impact on the economy?  Think of all the hourly workers who wouldn't get paychecks.  I don't think the $$ should be our only focus, but I think we need to focus on awareness, detection and help for those infected.  This is not ebola.  I think this is a serious thing and people (and hopefully our government) should take it seriously. But I think closing everything down for a few weeks would have massive unintended consequences
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 06, 2020, 10:35:30 am
They had one gathering attended by one carrier and are now closing five schools in Bucks County, PA!!

At this rate everything will be shutting down soon...

But don’t we need people to work at grocery stores, hospitals etc?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 06, 2020, 10:36:58 am
Then there's this concession worker at a stadium who tested positive...SMH

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/us/seattle-xfl-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 06, 2020, 10:39:21 am
I mean, with minimal testing in the US, there is the potential that there are thousands, or tens of thousands of undetected carriers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 06, 2020, 10:45:48 am
I do believe the access to testing that is easy and free is critical at this juncture
Then companies and orgs of all types making it easy for individuals to get tested sooner than later
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 06, 2020, 10:47:05 am
So we would test everybody every other day?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 06, 2020, 10:50:13 am
Then there's this concession worker at a stadium who tested positive...SMH

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/us/seattle-xfl-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
Dude, if COVID-19 is the thing that kills the XFL . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: lily1 on March 06, 2020, 11:21:36 am
out of curiosity, has anyone's workplace instituted a travel ban and/or told all employees to work from home until further notice?

we've had 3 clients institute travel bans for their staff and vendors this week.

we are business as usual.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 06, 2020, 11:25:53 am
This came out from OPM on Tuesday (https://www.chcoc.gov/content/preliminary-guidance-agencies-during-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19), advising federal agencies to "begin to reduce non-essential travel as appropriate." But no specific ban as of yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 06, 2020, 01:45:39 pm
Then there's this concession worker at a stadium who tested positive...SMH

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/us/seattle-xfl-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
Dude, if COVID-19 is the thing that kills the XFL . . .

Better the XFL than the election...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: rich_WDC on March 06, 2020, 04:22:45 pm
out of curiosity, has anyone's workplace instituted a travel ban and/or told all employees to work from home until further notice?


Ha!  My CEO, whose desk is perhaps 30 feet from mine, just went to Seoul yesterday.     I certainly will not be sharing a toothbrush upon his return.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 06, 2020, 06:13:10 pm
.....and SXSW cancelled
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 06, 2020, 06:19:01 pm
out of curiosity, has anyone's workplace instituted a travel ban and/or told all employees to work from home until further notice?

We have a travel ban in place.  Meetings in the US and abroad have also been cancelled.

Sux about SXSW.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 06, 2020, 07:20:11 pm
.....and SXSW cancelled

That's been Thor Harris' running Twitter joke for a few years.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 06, 2020, 07:21:52 pm
.....and SXSW cancelled
Jacob Ward@byjacobward
Cancelling SXSW represents about $350M in lost revenue for the city of Austin. This is an enormous act of civic responsibility.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 06, 2020, 08:29:04 pm
Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 06, 2020, 09:17:18 pm
Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
Good info,
looks like it's going to thin the elderly and spare the youth
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 07, 2020, 02:59:00 pm
https://www.facebook.com/abdu.sharkawy/posts/2809958409125474 (https://www.facebook.com/abdu.sharkawy/posts/2809958409125474)

Abdu Sharkawy
March 5 at 6:45 PM ·
I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2020, 03:06:06 pm
Everybody freak out
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 07, 2020, 03:25:59 pm
Everybody freak out

or, per my post on the previous page, don't.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2020, 03:40:19 pm
Everybody don’t freak out!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 07, 2020, 03:49:03 pm
progress!  enlightenment, here we come...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 07, 2020, 08:00:00 pm
Everybody freak out

Is that Chic or C&C Music Factory?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 07, 2020, 08:06:40 pm
It’s a mashup of “Everybody Dance” by CC and the Music Factory and “Le Freak” by Chic
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 07, 2020, 09:43:50 pm
COVID-19 c'est chic
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 07, 2020, 09:48:08 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/mCjh5Y8/covid930.jpg) (https://twitter.com/930Club/status/1236008157555683334)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 08, 2020, 12:18:22 am
(https://i.ibb.co/T0KsVzJ/20secsongs.jpg) (https://twitter.com/piesaac/status/1236481132847226881)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 08, 2020, 01:07:46 am
I dunno about youse guys, but I ain't gettin' the 'roni
Rice a Roni? The San Francisco treat?

Shots fired, Vansmack.

Okay.

I'm on the cusp of three weeks off, I mean telecommuting, so that just means more for me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 08, 2020, 01:12:14 am
out of curiosity, has anyone's workplace instituted a travel ban and/or told all employees to work from home until further notice?

we've had 3 clients institute travel bans for their staff and vendors this week.

we are business as usual.

I'm in Northern CA, things are a little escalated here, but yes, neither The Brand nor I can travel.  Her tech employer has closed two buildings in Santa Clara County completely where 2 people have tested positive.

My place of work has not closed, but it's matter of when, not if.  Stanford cancelled all classes after a faculty member tested positive and we will do the same as soon as someone tests positive.  If I'm still in my office by Friday, I'll be shocked.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 08, 2020, 08:40:09 pm
Well, there's this:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/03/08/ted-cruz-in-self-quarantine-after-interacting-with-coronavirus-patient-at-cpac/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 08, 2020, 08:41:29 pm
Well, there's this:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/03/08/ted-cruz-in-self-quarantine-after-interacting-with-coronavirus-patient-at-cpac/
Maybe it will give him time to shave that dreadful beard.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 08, 2020, 11:04:05 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89387377_10157068604448157_4939331343814230016_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQmP-exhI_rM8KCoWLEfknkf5kUv0D6kjBPWUr333jlbBqpuzqolM9ICmCIaFPnLJas&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=6b5877a57cb5bd40ea8f175d00d11a97&oe=5E95F5C3)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2020, 08:37:55 am
Prediction on how much stock market drops?


This could be a sizable % drop
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 09, 2020, 10:36:00 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESj_3IQXgAA5Sm3?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 09, 2020, 10:41:40 am
In case you weren't sure
@washingtonpost
French officials: No, cocaine does not protect against coronavirus https://wapo.st/2TObI2B

Did they do some testing to confirm this?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 09, 2020, 10:53:24 am
Prediction on how much stock market drops?


This could be a sizable % drop
On Jan 20th 2017 the Dow flirted 20k
On Feb 2020 it flirted with 30k (quite a run)

this morning it's in the 24K range!
I think in the next few weeks we may be back to where we were on inauguration day

This may end up being worse than 2008!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2020, 12:09:49 pm
Doomsayer


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 09, 2020, 12:49:17 pm
Doomsayer
nope just a libtard who wants to destroy this country how ever I can
Muuuuuuhahahahaha
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2020, 01:59:18 pm
In March 2009 I can recall stock index being at about 6000!

That was a great time to buy
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 09, 2020, 02:22:53 pm
(https://washyourlyrics.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/2586207824052748288.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2020, 03:51:14 pm
Arlington County resident tests positive


I am going to die
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 09, 2020, 03:52:49 pm
12 Md residents on the latest cruise ship.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 09, 2020, 04:29:01 pm
(https://washyourlyrics.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/2586308721265082368.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 09, 2020, 04:43:58 pm
I am going to die

Got the news from my doctor this afternoon. I’m no more likely to get it than anyone else BUT I’m way more likely to die from it if I do.

Can’t wait to tell my wife!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 09, 2020, 06:53:03 pm
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 09, 2020, 08:50:12 pm
New WH Chief of Staff goes under self-quarrantine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2020, 08:52:02 pm
Hopefully Trump is next

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 09, 2020, 08:58:49 pm
Hopefully Trump is next

He's golfing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/08/after-stopping-cdc-his-way-mar-a-lago-trump-heads-golf-course-two-days-row/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 09, 2020, 09:18:59 pm
Yeah but you would think he would have been around his Chief of Staff although I don’t know timeline
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 09, 2020, 10:41:17 pm
dude this timeline is getting fuking weird, what if everyone at CPAC comes down with corona virus...will be interesting to see if they all continue to fall in line as they get ill.

serves fucking asshole Florida man Gatez right, who was a total ass on the floor of the house with his gas mask on.
people are dying and he's making a fucking joke


I feel like an incredibly horrible person due to the amount of schadenfreude this gives me
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: K8teebug on March 10, 2020, 08:36:28 am
Fuck that guy. Plus, a gas mask gives you no protection against particulate...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 10, 2020, 09:10:51 am
Fuck that guy. Plus, a gas mask gives you no protection against particulate...

What guy?

A rather sobering interview:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/09/coronavirus-past-containment-but-usa-can-limit-epidemic-scott-gottlieb/5007417002/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 10, 2020, 09:46:16 am
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Ok I like this and hate that I keep checking it like delegate counts
you refresh the page and someone dies

although going to this page assuages that fear
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 10, 2020, 01:32:42 pm
VIA 930 Email

Dear Music Lover,

 

Simply put, our venues exist to enhance people’s enjoyment of life. So, it’s natural that the wellbeing of our staff, patrons, artists and the community are always at the forefront of our thinking. Like other organizations, we’re taking additional precautions, such as adding supplementary cleaning staff and providing hand sanitizer stations in addition to the ever-present soap in the restrooms.


By now, everyone knows to cover their mouth when they cough and sneeze, wash their hands with soap for 20 seconds, avoid touching their faces – but, as always, if anyone isn’t feeling well, the responsible thing to do is to stay home. This goes for everyone.


As of now, all shows are going on as planned and attendance has not been affected. Naturally, if a show is canceled, refunds will be provided. If someone is unable to attend a show for any reason, we provide a forum for patrons to buy and sell tickets at no additional charge through I.M.P. Ticket X-Change.


This is a changing scenario, so we are engaged with the city and we’re closely monitoring circumstances. If anything changes, we will let patrons and employees know. But in the meantime, please be safe, be smart, be conscientious, and know that we are here to provide the community with entertainment as we have for the last nearly 40 years.


Sincerely,
The I.M.P. Team
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 10, 2020, 01:37:30 pm
I saw this and the link goes to the forum.  Be nice to all new forum members!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 10, 2020, 01:44:37 pm
I saw this and the link goes to the forum.  Be nice to all new forum members!!!!


Real time photo of Julian

(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/amur-tiger-licking-his-lips-260nw-164990294.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 10, 2020, 02:59:20 pm
I saw this and the link goes to the forum.  Be nice to all new forum members!!!!


Real time photo of Julian

(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/amur-tiger-licking-his-lips-260nw-164990294.jpg)
Can confirm.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 10, 2020, 03:06:04 pm
All University System of Maryland schools: College Park, UMBC, Towson, etc. preparing for online ed post spring break....


https://www.usmd.edu/newsroom/news/1996         (https://www.usmd.edu/newsroom/news/1996)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: K8teebug on March 10, 2020, 03:19:13 pm
All University System of Maryland schools: College Park, UMBC, Towson, etc. preparing for online ed post spring break....

Very much aware of that one...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 10, 2020, 03:21:02 pm
All University System of Maryland schools: College Park, UMBC, Towson, etc. preparing for online ed post spring break....

Still very much preparing for the possibility, and not a definite plan. Yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 03:28:39 pm
Trump continues to minimize the threat and even deaths...really disgusting


Also Fox and Republicans calling it the “Chinese Coronavirus” is pretty low


New lows every day...every hour...it’s really unbelievable

I am very glad IMP sent that email
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 10, 2020, 04:06:18 pm
FFax county schools closing 3/16 to prepare for distance learning ...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 10, 2020, 04:07:16 pm
FFax county schools closing 3/16 to prepare for distance learning ...

Here we go...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 10, 2020, 04:58:03 pm
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/DD-COMP-CORONAVIRUS-GRAPH.jpg?w=620)


italy locked everyone down on 3/08... hope no one here has plans after 3/20.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 10, 2020, 06:13:50 pm
NEW: MGM Resorts will stop operating its buffet service at seven properties in Las Vegas amid coronavirus concerns. (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1237501358212816898)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 10, 2020, 06:32:34 pm
NEW: MGM Resorts will stop operating its buffet service at seven properties in Las Vegas amid coronavirus concerns. (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1237501358212816898)

there is a silver lining to this coronavirus thing after all!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 06:39:50 pm
Geezus just got out of wholesale club...it’s rough in there

Major run on tp and tissues

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 10, 2020, 07:12:22 pm
italy locked everyone down on 3/08... hope no one here has plans after 3/20.

Population of Italy:  60.5m
Population of the UK: 66.4m
Population of the USA: 327.2m
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 07:20:55 pm
Brilliant stuff...we had no idea
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 10, 2020, 07:34:37 pm
italy locked everyone down on 3/08... hope no one here has plans after 3/20.

Population of Italy:  60.5m
Population of the UK: 66.4m
Population of the USA: 327.2m

(https://i.insider.com/5e66b72584159f21ad7f0617?width=500&format=jpeg&auto=webp) 
 
you were saying?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 10, 2020, 07:45:14 pm
you were saying?

Now we're getting somewhere.

Land Mass:

UK: 93,628 mi²
Italy: 116,347 mi²
US: 3.797 million mi²
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 10, 2020, 08:01:29 pm
you were saying?

Now we're getting somewhere.

Land Mass:

UK: 93,628 mi²
Italy: 116,347 mi²
US: 3.797 million mi²

With Americans more spread out, they're less likely to get it? I knew there was a reason i bought a SFH.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 08:17:50 pm
You’re full of shit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 10, 2020, 08:22:27 pm
You’re full of shit

I don't understand the point Vansmack was trying to make.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 10, 2020, 08:25:58 pm
you were saying?

Now we're getting somewhere.

Land Mass:

UK: 93,628 mi²
Italy: 116,347 mi²
US: 3.797 million mi²


Yes, but do you have data on per capita pasta consumption?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 10, 2020, 08:34:58 pm
You’re full of shit

I don't understand the point Vansmack was trying to make.

I think he was trying to make his usual point: I am smarter than you

Also potentially setting up his other standby: I told you so

:)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 10, 2020, 08:38:29 pm
You’re full of shit

I don't understand the point Vansmack was trying to make.

I think he was trying to make his usual point: I am smarter than you

Also potentially setting up his other standby: I told you so

:)

Ha! Thanks for my second laugh of the day. Could use a few more.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 10, 2020, 09:41:33 pm
You’re full of shit

I don't understand the point Vansmack was trying to make.

I think he was trying to make his usual point: I am smarter than you

Also potentially setting up his other standby: I told you so

:)

POTY

Sidepost, send me a PM if you need deets on what this means.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 10, 2020, 11:06:15 pm
You’re full of shit

I don't understand the point Vansmack was trying to make.

I think he was trying to make his usual point: I am smarter than you

Also potentially setting up his other standby: I told you so

:)

POTY

Sidepost, send me a PM if you need deets on what this means.
I'm getting ready to send you a BM via the mail
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 11, 2020, 10:19:21 am
Boris Johnson and Justin Trudeau added to the list of potential exposures.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Ardamus on March 11, 2020, 11:39:55 am
Interesting read on Vietnam combating the coronavirus.
https://chaohanoi.com/2020/03/04/why-vietnam-has-been-the-number-one-country-in-the-world-on-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2BAx6QznPriAU0CstT0Y6VhhAEIsSpxE0rj_posXLxg-laBTtb8ujqSE4 (https://chaohanoi.com/2020/03/04/why-vietnam-has-been-the-number-one-country-in-the-world-on-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2BAx6QznPriAU0CstT0Y6VhhAEIsSpxE0rj_posXLxg-laBTtb8ujqSE4)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 11, 2020, 01:39:16 pm
Big Ears festival cancelled (https://bigearsfestival.org/big-ears-festival-covid-19-cancellation/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 11, 2020, 01:46:45 pm
so i listened to this interview on joe rogan's show (save your rogan-bashing for another time), and it flipped the "this just became real for me" switch.  in case you doubt the guest's credentials: link 1 (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/about-us/cidrap-staff/michael-t-osterholm-phd-mph), link 2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Osterholm).

How Serious is the Coronavirus? Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts)

the doc states that coronavirus is so virulent, the air one exhales contains the virus when one is at their peak viral load - which is unfortunately before they show any symptoms).  so before you get a fever, you're a walking atomizer leaving a virus-cloud everywhere you go.  this is going to get worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 11, 2020, 01:47:34 pm
Just attended a staff meeting where the range of emotion ran from one person who was visibly rolling his eyes, interrupting our supervisor by saying the word "YAWN" loudly, asking "how many people in the US have this like 16? and "this is going to tank our economy"  to....a Chinese-American who has been sounding the alarms in our office for many weeks who proclaimed that "Dr. ……. designed this to get rid of (Chinese) deplorables and now it's gotten out of hand."

Good lord, these people have PHD's.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 11, 2020, 01:50:26 pm
FWIW, my company just ate like $50k on cancelling an annual gala we throw for social workers out of concern over the need for social distancing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 11, 2020, 01:50:53 pm
so i listened to this interview on joe rogan's show
Great. So, you've identified where you went wrong, now what do you do about it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 11, 2020, 03:40:14 pm
Just attended a staff meeting where the range of emotion ran from one person who was visibly rolling his eyes, interrupting our supervisor by saying the word "YAWN" loudly, asking "how many people in the US have this like 16? and "this is going to tank our economy"  to....a Chinese-American who has been sounding the alarms in our office for many weeks who proclaimed that "Dr. ……. designed this to get rid of (Chinese) deplorables and now it's gotten out of hand."

Good lord, these people have PHD's.

the forum is anxioustly awaiting work from home sexcapade posts while your daughter does home schooling from the kitchen table.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 11, 2020, 04:23:02 pm
National Cathedral and hundreds of churches in Maryland, D.C., Virginia to close for two weeks (https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/03/11/episcopal-diocese-washington-closes-dozens-churches-including-national-cathedral-two-weeks/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 11, 2020, 04:32:31 pm
On the effects on the touring indie musicians:   https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/coronavirus-music-touring-cancellation-965380/   (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/coronavirus-music-touring-cancellation-965380/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Got Haggis? on March 11, 2020, 04:35:53 pm
yeah i get it that venues and musicians don't want to cancel stuff - but i thought it was pretty irresponsible for death fest to send out an update saying they were still on.  All large events need to be cancelled probably for at least the next 6 months.  it's really going to hurt artists and venues big time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 11, 2020, 04:46:37 pm
If I don’t make it out of this know that I love you guys!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 11, 2020, 04:47:07 pm
March Madness attendance to be limited (https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-president-mark-emmerts-statement-limiting-attendance-ncaa-events)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 11, 2020, 04:47:43 pm
local headline: Seattle Public Schools to close for at least two weeks in light of coronavirus concerns (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/seattle-public-schools-to-close-for-two-weeks-in-light-of-coronavirus-concerns/)

my kiddos are in a different school district, but it's coming to us eventually.  yeay.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 11, 2020, 04:57:10 pm
If I don’t make it out of this know that I love you guys!
Man, I don’t even know how to respond to this statement.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 11, 2020, 05:12:33 pm
yeah i get it that venues and musicians don't want to cancel stuff - but i thought it was pretty irresponsible for death fest to send out an update saying they were still on.  All large events need to be cancelled probably for at least the next 6 months.  it's really going to hurt artists and venues big time.
welp they are kinda living up to their name...death fest
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 11, 2020, 05:15:14 pm
I think this thread needs to be merged with the 'Just Cancelled' one
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 11, 2020, 05:30:26 pm
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-cases-top-1-000-spread-n1155241/ncrd1155736#liveBlogHeader

Expecting 150 million people to get in the US?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 11, 2020, 06:22:42 pm
local headline: Seattle Public Schools to close for at least two weeks in light of coronavirus concerns (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/seattle-public-schools-to-close-for-two-weeks-in-light-of-coronavirus-concerns/)

my kiddos are in a different school district, but it's coming to us eventually.  yeay.

just got notification that my school district will be closing as well, per the instructions of the governor.  yeay indeed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 11, 2020, 08:07:58 pm
november can't come soon enough:

Gov’t Told Seattle Lab To Stop Coronavirus Testing, Despite Finding New Cases (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/gov-t-told-seattle-lab-to-stop-coronavirus-testing-despite-finding-new-cases-H2TmIcfUf0CM2vZOfqN5gw)


at what point does this willful neglect become impeachable? <hides>
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 11, 2020, 08:44:18 pm
Jared is "in total control," sources tells us.
phew, after he did such a great job creating middle east peace, I'm looking forward to his involvement here
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 11, 2020, 09:28:09 pm
Tom Hanks and his wife test positive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 12, 2020, 01:01:09 am
Tom Hanks and his wife test positive

SHIT JUST GOT REAL
 
as if this wasn't feeling like a bad movie already...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 08:37:19 am
Tom Hanks and his wife test positive

Tom Hanks had a cold, or so he thought. In the U.S., those symptoms may not be enough to get tested for the coronavirus. But in Australia, testing is free and widely available, thanks to early and coordinated planning for a pandemic. https://nyti.ms/2TX3Lsc


I've heard tons of accounts of people saying "I think I may have the virus" going to the doctor and unless they came from Italy or Wuhan...they were unable to get tested
that's a crisis, people are doing what they should and the govement is ill prepared to deal with what it knew about 7 weeks ago
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 12, 2020, 08:54:43 am
A white knight on my FB is all up in arms about the articles referring to "Tom Hanks and his wife" and not "Hollywood Power Couple Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson". I'm like, dude, if Rita Wilson walked into a bar, 95% of people would have no clue who she is. Do you say "artistic wunderkinds Meryl Streep and Don Gummer"?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 12, 2020, 09:03:37 am
https://twitter.com/PBalonaNJ/status/1236680463835676674?s=19
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 12, 2020, 09:07:38 am
https://twitter.com/PBalonaNJ/status/1236680463835676674?s=19

Why are we not extinct yet?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 12, 2020, 09:58:43 am
Dow Jones at 21800



Wow
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 10:21:49 am
yeah..don't check your 401k

(https://mw1.wsj.net/chart-cache/marketwatch/front-page/09f53e7351fc4a46b7c22f9d558edcc4_620x349.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 12, 2020, 10:38:43 am
yeah..don't check your 401k

(https://mw1.wsj.net/chart-cache/marketwatch/front-page/09f53e7351fc4a46b7c22f9d558edcc4_620x349.png)

My wife always laughs at me when I say I hope to retire someday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 12, 2020, 10:44:12 am
yeah..don't check your 401k

(https://mw1.wsj.net/chart-cache/marketwatch/front-page/09f53e7351fc4a46b7c22f9d558edcc4_620x349.png)

My wife always laughs at me when I say I hope to retire someday.

I feel the need to punch the next person that tells me that this is a "buying opportunity."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 12, 2020, 10:49:23 am
yeah..don't check your 401k

(https://mw1.wsj.net/chart-cache/marketwatch/front-page/09f53e7351fc4a46b7c22f9d558edcc4_620x349.png)

My wife always laughs at me when I say I hope to retire someday.

I feel the need to punch the next person that tells me that this is a "buying opportunity."
I mean, they’re not wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 10:53:32 am

I feel the need to punch the next person that tells me that this is a "buying opportunity."
I mean, they’re not wrong.
cage match between Jules and Challenged
although no touching allowed, bring your jousting lance



Personally...I'd wait for a few more weeks...if I had money to invest
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 12, 2020, 10:55:45 am
yeah..don't check your 401k

(https://mw1.wsj.net/chart-cache/marketwatch/front-page/09f53e7351fc4a46b7c22f9d558edcc4_620x349.png)

My wife always laughs at me when I say I hope to retire someday.

I feel the need to punch the next person that tells me that this is a "buying opportunity."
I mean, they’re not wrong.

I think that they are wrong if they are talking to me, personally. It's a buying opp for the 1% for sure. For me, not so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 10:58:42 am
headlines keep getting better

Dow’s plunge into a bear market from a recent high is fastest since Great Depression
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 12, 2020, 11:08:43 am
This is the most progressive virus I've ever seen.  Rich people lose everything and poor got nothin' to lose!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 11:10:49 am
This is the most progressive virus I've ever seen.  Rich people lose everything and poor got nothin' to lose!

I'd like to see the venn diagram of fox viewers and those vulnerable to the virus
might just be a circle
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 12, 2020, 11:40:04 am
Fabio

https://news.trust.org/item/20200312141651-bs9fo/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 12, 2020, 11:41:16 am
Fabio

https://news.trust.org/item/20200312141651-bs9fo/
Fake news. NOT the Fabio who once killed a bird with his face.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 12:12:05 pm
welp...just got this from my boss
staff to remote work for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 12, 2020, 12:27:49 pm
Fabio

https://news.trust.org/item/20200312141651-bs9fo/
Fake news. NOT the Fabio who once killed a bird with his face.

i know.  my interest in this story peaked and then crashed just like the curve of infections over time without mitigation strategies...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 02:07:04 pm
don't follow all the fake news
this guy has the cure
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1238110096334479364


MLS and NHL pausing games too
Live Nation is holding out
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 12, 2020, 02:09:52 pm
There is also a stunningly bad piece on a local news-radio website about how eating healthy foods can protect you against coronavirus.  I'm not even sure how these people are allowed to continue spreading harmful misinformation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 12, 2020, 02:36:11 pm
200 people died in Italy from covid just yesterday


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 02:41:32 pm
Rep Katie Porter Rocks
https://twitter.com/josh_nelson/status/1238155472491950081

just got CDC Director Redfield to commit to using his authority under existing law to make #Covid_19 testing FREE for every single American.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 12, 2020, 02:55:24 pm
Rep Katie Porter Rocks
https://twitter.com/josh_nelson/status/1238155472491950081

just got CDC Director Redfield to commit to using his authority under existing law to make #Covid_19 testing FREE for every single American.

uhh... how can you offer something you don't have?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 12, 2020, 02:56:13 pm
PANDUMIC: https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1237519854204342273
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 12, 2020, 03:00:55 pm
the doc states that coronavirus is so virulent, the air one exhales contains the virus when one is at their peak viral load - which is unfortunately before they show any symptoms).  so before you get a fever, you're a walking atomizer leaving a virus-cloud everywhere you go.  this is going to get worse before it gets better.

Coronavirus: many infections spread by people yet to show symptoms – scientists (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/12/coronavirus-most-infections-spread-by-people-yet-to-show-symptoms-scientists)
Findings mean that isolating people once they start to feel ill is less effective than hoped
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 12, 2020, 03:30:56 pm
Yes based on what is going on that has to be the case...I really think in the US we should shut it down for a month...self quarantine everyone almost immediately

Will the warming weather help?

Either way we need a massive quarantine


It is obvious it spreads really easily and is very deadly


We should be trying to get ahead of it...setting up automated food delivery systems, having the government pay for food, suspending stock markets and all flights etc

Note: just spitballing

And I just got back from hospital taking kid to therapy

All that sort of stuff should be canceled

I cancelled next three weeks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 12, 2020, 03:31:50 pm
And in a recently published study, the virus sticks on surfaces longer than SARS:

Abstract

HCoV-19 (SARS-2) has caused >88,000 reported illnesses with a current case-fatality ratio of ~2%. Here, we investigate the stability of viable HCoV-19 on surfaces and in aerosols in comparison with SARS CoV-1. Overall, stability is very similar between HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1. We found that viable virus could be detected in aerosols up to 3 hours post aerosolization, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel. HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 exhibited similar half-lives in aerosols, with median estimates around 2.7 hours. Both viruses show relatively long viability on stainless steel and polypropylene compared to copper or cardboard: the median half-life estimate for HCoV-19 is around 13 hours on steel and around 16 hours on polypropylene. Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 12, 2020, 03:35:18 pm
It is obvious it spreads really easily and is very deadly
I'm not sure "very deadly" is totally accurate.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 12, 2020, 03:38:23 pm
Welll didn’t 21 people or something die in one nursing home in Washington?

I know they were old but...


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 12, 2020, 03:42:31 pm
It is obvious it spreads really easily and is very deadly
I'm not sure "very deadly" is totally accurate.

"situationally, quite lethal."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 12, 2020, 03:45:13 pm
I mean, if I'm just playing armchair epidemiologist, Ebola has a like 90% mortality rate. That is very deadly. SARS I think is at like 11%.

It is my understanding COVID-19 has a mortality rate of around 3% and a mortality rate of 0.7% outside of Wuhan (i.e. once it was identified and doctors had some idea what they were treating). This is not an instant death sentence. If 0.7% turns up to be an accurate number (and honestly, we really won't know until we are looking back on this thing with more data), that's a really awful flu on steroids. Even if the number gets as high as 2-3%, yes, this is a big time deal but I'm not sure "very deadly" in the context of other horrible viruses is accurate.

IDK
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 12, 2020, 03:50:06 pm
Ok I can agree with you..I stand corrected


Guess if it spreads so easily that in a sense “amplifies” the death impact

I still wonder about that nursing home...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 12, 2020, 03:54:25 pm
Guess if it spreads so easily that in a sense “amplifies” the death impact

I still wonder about that nursing home...
Yeah, obviously 1% of a huge population is more than 11% of a much smaller group. Not wanting to give the impression this is a non-event for sure.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Got Haggis? on March 12, 2020, 04:03:07 pm
the university i work for is going to telework starting this weekend.  while mandatory quarantine would be great, people won't follow it. In Iceland, they had something like 30 cases that came in from people returning from a trip in italy.  All of them were told to stay at home.  Several did not and now they are up to over 100 cases and have community spread.  Interestingly they found 3 travelers inbound from the USA to have brought it into iceland as well.  It is spreading way more than just the official count at this point.

anyway, from having lived in baltimore during the uprising, where we had a curfew - I can tell you....people will defy it all.  but a good piont is, even if some people defy it, the people staying at home should help lesson the burden at hospitals.   I have been reading that you should only go to a hospital if you have high fever that doesn't break and/or trouble breathing.  Otherwise, stay at home and don't interact with anyone for at least 14 days after being sick.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 12, 2020, 04:16:26 pm
I mean, if I'm just playing armchair epidemiologist, Ebola has a like 90% mortality rate. That is very deadly. SARS I think is at like 11%.

It is my understanding COVID-19 has a mortality rate of around 3% and a mortality rate of 0.7% outside of Wuhan (i.e. once it was identified and doctors had some idea what they were treating). This is not an instant death sentence. If 0.7% turns up to be an accurate number (and honestly, we really won't know until we are looking back on this thing with more data), that's a really awful flu on steroids. Even if the number gets as high as 2-3%, yes, this is a big time deal but I'm not sure "very deadly" in the context of other horrible viruses is accurate.

IDK

The seasonal flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%.  If (and when?) the number of people who contract the coronavirus matches the number who get the flu, and if the mortality rate stays the same, somewhere between 6 and 10 million people will die.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 12, 2020, 04:24:06 pm
1st case of community transmission in MD.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 12, 2020, 04:25:36 pm
All
Maryland
Public Schools
Closed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 12, 2020, 04:28:30 pm
this seems like a good plan

President Trump will not be tested for the coronavirus after coming into contact with a Brazilian official who tested positive for the virus just days after a Mar-a-Lago visit, the White House said on Thursday
https://nyti.ms/3cSKy3t
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 12, 2020, 04:31:00 pm
March Madness attendance to be limited (https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-president-mark-emmerts-statement-limiting-attendance-ncaa-events)

And now canceled.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 12, 2020, 04:54:10 pm
I bet he is tested daily and they tell us he is not...


Dow Jones lost 10% today

When Black Thursday comes
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 12, 2020, 05:10:13 pm
Not even sure this is worthy of the onion thread.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/11/814550474/missouri-sues-televangelist-jim-bakker-for-selling-fake-coronavirus-cure
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 12, 2020, 06:42:32 pm
local headline: Seattle Public Schools to close for at least two weeks in light of coronavirus concerns (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/seattle-public-schools-to-close-for-two-weeks-in-light-of-coronavirus-concerns/)

my kiddos are in a different school district, but it's coming to us eventually.  yeay.

just got notification that my school district will be closing as well, per the instructions of the governor.  yeay indeed.

"FROM: Snoqualmie Valley School District
TO: Daddy Sweetcell

Dear Snoqualmie Valley Families,
 
In light of recent information shared by our elected officials and public health agencies, we are informing all families that Snoqualmie Valley schools will be  closed starting tomorrow, Friday, March 13. At this time, the closure will extend through Friday, April 24.
 
(etc...)"

6 unplanned weeks of the kids at home, if not more, starting tomorrow.  yeay indeed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 12, 2020, 07:45:37 pm
local headline: Seattle Public Schools to close for at least two weeks in light of coronavirus concerns (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/seattle-public-schools-to-close-for-two-weeks-in-light-of-coronavirus-concerns/)

my kiddos are in a different school district, but it's coming to us eventually.  yeay.

just got notification that my school district will be closing as well, per the instructions of the governor.  yeay indeed.

"FROM: Snoqualmie Valley School District
TO: Daddy Sweetcell

Dear Snoqualmie Valley Families,
 
In light of recent information shared by our elected officials and public health agencies, we are informing all families that Snoqualmie Valley schools will be  closed starting tomorrow, Friday, March 13. At this time, the closure will extend through Friday, April 24.
 
(etc...)"

6 unplanned weeks of the kids at home, if not more, starting tomorrow.  yeay indeed.

Are they going to do things online?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 12, 2020, 08:07:33 pm
"FROM: Snoqualmie Valley School District
TO: Daddy Sweetcell

Dear Snoqualmie Valley Families,
 
In light of recent information shared by our elected officials and public health agencies, we are informing all families that Snoqualmie Valley schools will be  closed starting tomorrow, Friday, March 13. At this time, the closure will extend through Friday, April 24.
 
(etc...)"

6 unplanned weeks of the kids at home, if not more, starting tomorrow.  yeay indeed.

Are they going to do things online?

nope, at least not yet.  nothing is currently set up and there are some access/equity issues - not every family has internet, computers, etc.  the school board & teachers are going to spend the next 6 weeks to create and implement an online learning program.  and the concern isn't this year, the main driver is fear that the virus will be back in the fall.  they're thinking long term: this year may end up being a write-off, but they want to be prepared for 2020-2021.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 12, 2020, 09:24:42 pm
Fairfax County parents seem to be unanimously livid that school is happening tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 12, 2020, 10:50:46 pm
I am pissed off they have school in Arlington


I want to keep them home but their mother insists on sending them
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 07:36:11 am
Fairfax County parents seem to be unanimously livid that school is happening tomorrow.

They ended up cancelling. Monday, teachers are going to be trained for one day in distance learning. Who knows what happens after that. Nobody has said anything.

Hutch, you have my approval to keep the kids home today. Just don't send them to my house.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 08:09:15 am
It's 8am and I've been up working for an hour. She's been out of bed for less than five minutes and is already bitching about messes. This co-telework thing with no school is not going to go well. :(
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 13, 2020, 09:33:03 am
It's 8am and I've been up working for an hour. She's been out of bed for less than five minutes and is already bitching about messes. This co-telework thing with no school is not going to go well. :(

https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=25143.msg497907#msg497907
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 13, 2020, 09:33:39 am
Right on cue it’s  all Obama’s fault for the CDC response... here’s hoping Obama finally takes on this menace in the WH head on
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 09:43:16 am
It's 8am and I've been up working for an hour. She's been out of bed for less than five minutes and is already bitching about messes. This co-telework thing with no school is not going to go well. :(

https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=25143.msg497907#msg497907

Today is not the sexy day you thought it would be.

I did find a spot in the house where I won't be bothered. Woohoo.

As Howard Jones used to day, things can only get better...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 09:46:32 am
If most of us are going to get the virus, wouldn't it be better to get it earlier than later, especially if you only get it once?

I mean, the younger you are, the better. No better time than now.

And might as well get it now, before the hospitals are overrun.

I wish I was 25 not 52.

Do we  basically have to turn off our lives and live like hermits until a vaccine is developed and put into use?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2020, 09:53:19 am
But according to something I read the virus may mutate and come back stronger...this is apparently what happened in 1918 with influenza

The guy who ran Obamacare tweeted 1 million Americans will die...I could not believe it...not only the number but that he would tweet that out
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 09:56:31 am
Roughly speaking, if 50% of Americans are infected (possible?) and the fatality rate is 1% (possible!), 1.6 million people will die.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2020, 09:58:55 am
I hear you but that’s insane

Do we really think half of Americans will get it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 13, 2020, 09:59:58 am
I hear you but that’s insane

Do we really think half of Americans will get it?

Wouldn't be surprised... but I think also there's a big difference between "getting it" and getting sick... I think many people will get it and you won't know it or will have very minor symptoms.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 10:08:18 am
I hear you but that’s insane

Do we really think half of Americans will get it?

Angela Merkel said 70% of Germans will get it. She's probably no more of an infectious disease expert than I am but she probably has better firsthand  sources than I do.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 10:09:46 am
A few factors to consider:

Community transmission is a big big deal.  The virus is in the wild, and you can get it without knowing how or where you got it from.  Hogan announced yesterday that this has already begun to happen in Maryland, and that is why schools are closed.

You are contagious before you feel sick. This means that testing is a trailing indicator of how many people you have already infected.  Testing doesn't help prevent the spread of the disease, and since we don't have a cure, it doesn't really inform treatment.

There is a good chance that the virus will wane over the summer, will mutate slightly and will come back like gangbusters next fall and winter.  The seasonal flu does this. The common cold does this. The Spanish flu (1918) did this, but the second wave was far more deadly than the first. They think that the people who got sick during the first wave of Spanish flu were conferred some immunity to the second wave.

80% of the infected will recover with minor to moderate symptoms.  20% will have major symptoms requiring medical intervention or hospitalization.  1% will die.  These numbers have been fairly consistent over time, and correcting for outliers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 10:12:02 am
So yeah, if only 20% get it and 1% die, then it's only 660K people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 10:27:34 am
So yeah, if only 20% get it and 1% die, then it's only 660K people.

There are nearly 3 million deaths in the United States per year. I guess the question is what percent of that 660K or 1.5 million or whatever were people who were going to die anyway?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 13, 2020, 10:31:21 am
So yeah, if only 20% get it and 1% die, then it's only 660K people.
I don’t get out of bed for less than a million deaths.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 13, 2020, 10:32:43 am
Monkeyt gangs.
https://www.jpost.com/OMG/Coronavirus-sparks-monkey-gang-war-in-the-streets-of-Thailand-620737 (https://www.jpost.com/OMG/Coronavirus-sparks-monkey-gang-war-in-the-streets-of-Thailand-620737)


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 10:33:55 am
So yeah, if only 20% get it and 1% die, then it's only 660K people.

There are nearly 3 million deaths in the United States per year. I guess the question is what percent of that 660K or 1.5 million or whatever were people who were going to die anyway?

This would be on top of the "background deaths" you cite.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2020, 11:13:01 am
Heilung I forget but you work in public health?

Good stuff..thanks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 11:45:46 am
My Trump voting, Fox News watching in-laws claim they don't have the virus because they can still hold their breath and count to 10.

Isn't that really the only test you need?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 11:52:33 am
Heilung I forget but you work in public health?

Good stuff..thanks

I dont. But I'm highly selective about where I get my info.  This is a great source. Sign up for their situation reports!

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 12:11:55 pm
Heilung I forget but you work in public health?

Good stuff..thanks

I dont. But I'm highly selective about where I get my info.  This is a great source. Sign up for their situation reports!

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/index.html

Does it mention the 10 second test?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2020, 12:17:00 pm
Heilung I forget but you work in public health?

Good stuff..thanks

I dont. But I'm highly selective about where I get my info.  This is a great source. Sign up for their situation reports!

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/index.html

Well I sure appreciate it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 13, 2020, 12:17:07 pm
Heilung I forget but you work in public health?

Good stuff..thanks

I dont. But I'm highly selective about where I get my info.  This is a great source. Sign up for their situation reports!

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/index.html

Does it mention the 10 second test?
This is false. Our director of nursing (I'm in population health) specifically called this out in our board call today. Source: World Health Organization.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 12:19:59 pm
Monkeyt gangs.
https://www.jpost.com/OMG/Coronavirus-sparks-monkey-gang-war-in-the-streets-of-Thailand-620737 (https://www.jpost.com/OMG/Coronavirus-sparks-monkey-gang-war-in-the-streets-of-Thailand-620737)
must check out the video in the article
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1238012197537755136

that's some scary shit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2020, 12:20:32 pm
Brazil president who just shook Trump’s hand has it


Messi in quarantine


My guess is a lot of people have it but don’t know cause we are not important enough to get tested
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2020, 12:24:10 pm
Julian when are you submitting to your test?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2020, 12:26:33 pm
Now they are sayingBolsonaro is negative
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 13, 2020, 12:27:27 pm
Julian when are you submitting to your test?
Every employee had to fill out a questionnaire for submittal to DMAS. None of my answers triggered a test.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 13, 2020, 12:50:46 pm
If most of us are going to get the virus, wouldn't it be better to get it earlier than later, especially if you only get it once?

I mean, the younger you are, the better. No better time than now.

And might as well get it now, before the hospitals are overrun.

haven't you heard about "flattening the curve"?  the idea is that if everyone gets sick all at once, it'll overwhelm the healthcare system and healthcare workers will be forced to make who-will-live-and-who-will-die decisions, as is currently the case in italy.  the goal is to space (!) out the rate of infection, so the same total number of people pass through hospitals but not all at the same time.  rushing to the hospital is risky both for yourself and for society in general.

and being a month younger or a month older isn't going to affect your outcome.
 
if only to pander to Jules, here is a U of MI article about flattening the curve (https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/flattening-curve-for-covid-19-what-does-it-mean-and-how-can-you-help).

(https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/sites/consumer/files/2020-03/Coronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 12:52:39 pm
Heilung I forget but you work in public health?

Good stuff..thanks

I dont. But I'm highly selective about where I get my info.  This is a great source. Sign up for their situation reports!

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/index.html

Does it mention the 10 second test?
This is false. Our director of nursing (I'm in population health) specifically called this out in our board call today. Source: World Health Organization.

Yes, I 100% know this. I'm just posting it to mock my in-laws. I'm one of those "lucky" people who gets a hall pass to hate on his in-laws because his wife hates her parents.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 12:54:46 pm
If most of us are going to get the virus, wouldn't it be better to get it earlier than later, especially if you only get it once?

I mean, the younger you are, the better. No better time than now.

And might as well get it now, before the hospitals are overrun.

haven't you heard about "flattening the curve"?  the idea is that if everyone gets sick all at once, it'll overwhelm the healthcare system and healthcare workers will be forced to make who-will-live-and-who-will-die decisions, as is currently the case in italy.  the goal is to space (!) out the rate of infection, so the same total number of people pass through hospitals but not all at the same time.  rushing to the hospital is risky both for yourself and for society in general.

and being a month younger or a month older isn't going to affect your outcome.
 
if only to pander to Jules, here is a U of MI article about flattening the curve (https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/flattening-curve-for-covid-19-what-does-it-mean-and-how-can-you-help).

(https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/sites/consumer/files/2020-03/Coronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg)

I was assuming the vaccination is 20 years in the making. Better to get it when I'm 52 instead of 65 or 70.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 13, 2020, 01:12:35 pm
I'm one of those "lucky" people who gets a hall pass to hate on his in-laws because his wife hates her parents.
Somehow I knew this. If someone said "hey, do you think Celeste hates her parents," I would instinctively go "yes, of course" without having the slightest bit of info about the parents.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 01:19:02 pm
I'm one of those "lucky" people who gets a hall pass to hate on his in-laws because his wife hates her parents.
Somehow I knew this. If someone said "hey, do you think Celeste hates her parents," I would instinctively go "yes, of course" without having the slightest bit of info about the parents.

To be fair to my wife, her parents *were* piss-poor parents. You would hate them too if they were your parents.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 01:19:57 pm
LOUISIANA has postponed the presidential primary due to the Coronavirus.
I think the whole tues day should be internet/mail in or postponed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 13, 2020, 01:21:49 pm
I'm one of those "lucky" people who gets a hall pass to hate on his in-laws because his wife hates her parents.
Somehow I knew this. If someone said "hey, do you think Celeste hates her parents," I would instinctively go "yes, of course" without having the slightest bit of info about the parents.

To be fair to my wife, her parents *were* piss-poor parents. You would hate them too if they were your parents.
Fair enough.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 13, 2020, 01:22:18 pm
LOUISIANA has postponed the presidential primary due to the Coronavirus.
I think the whole tues day should be internet/mail in or postponed
Just another trick by the DNC to screw over Bernie.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 01:29:44 pm
LOUISIANA has postponed the presidential primary due to the Coronavirus.
I think the whole tues day should be internet/mail in or postponed
Just another trick by the DNC to screw over Bernie.

How long before Trump starts making "jokes" about needing to suspend/cancel the election?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 13, 2020, 01:33:56 pm
Stealing this from Twitter....

buy gift certificates to restaurants. If you can't visit any in person now, it will help them stay in business.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 01:35:49 pm
LOUISIANA has postponed the presidential primary due to the Coronavirus.
I think the whole tues day should be internet/mail in or postponed
Just another trick by the DNC to screw over Bernie.

How long before Trump starts making "jokes" about needing to suspend/cancel the election?

I'm expecting it, do we think the GOP will back that plan....of course they will
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 01:38:01 pm
@SpiroAgnewGhost
Trump will most likely declare a national emergency in an hour. How do his brainwashed supporters accept this from a pathological lying conman who said it was “contained”,  people saying to be cautious was “Fake News” and a “hoax”, & 2 weeks ago said “15 cases will be zero soon.”



in other news
Los Angeles county in California announces the closure of all schools; this is the the 2nd largest school district in the U.S. after NYC
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 13, 2020, 01:51:53 pm
I was assuming the vaccination is 20 years in the making. Better to get it when I'm 52 instead of 65 or 70.

vaccine in 1 to 2 years.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 13, 2020, 01:53:10 pm
in response to the euro-travel ban, someone quipped:

if the only solution you have is a wall, everything looks like an invasion.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 13, 2020, 02:24:42 pm
Chinese medical workers who have been fighting the #coronavirus day and night in Wuhan celebrated the closing of the last temporary hospital in Wuhan. (https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1238457755415064576?s=20)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 02:40:27 pm
Chinese medical workers who have been fighting the #coronavirus day and night in Wuhan celebrated the closing of the last temporary hospital in Wuhan. (https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1238457755415064576?s=20)

That tweet says only 15 new cases in china in the last week. I'm not sure where they are getting their info. I've been obsessively watching this site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries, and though China's numbers have decreased, no way it's 15 in a week. It's 22 so far today.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 03:03:41 pm
Livestream Trump news conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feycmqjsLNw
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 03:27:09 pm
Livestream Trump news conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feycmqjsLNw
is this working for you...keeps saying starting soon
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 03:28:14 pm
the anticipation is palpable
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 03:29:18 pm
AMC Theatres announced on Friday that they are proactively reducing the maximum capacity of each of its theaters by at least 50%, according to a press release.

Beginning Saturday through April 30, the movie theater chain will cap ticket sales for each of its theatre’s auditoriums to an amount equal to 50% of the normal seating capacity.

Adam Aron, CEO and President of AMC Theatres, said “with this action, we are facilitating the ‘social distance’ between guests who still want to see movies on a big screen.”

The company is also enhancing its cleaning protocols by cleaning “hightouch” point areas at least once per hour, the company said.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 03:30:18 pm
The Dow closes at 4. He's probably waiting for it to close up so it looks like something positive and helps Republican short-sellers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 03:30:35 pm
the anticipation is palpable

2 minute warning for POTUS @AP
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 03:30:47 pm
Livestream Trump news conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feycmqjsLNw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feycmqjsLNw)
is this working for you...keeps saying starting soon

here we go
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 03:33:48 pm
national emergency now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 03:47:54 pm
Trump is shaking all the hands
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 03:48:01 pm
lot of handshaking with a possible corona virus individual
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2020, 03:51:08 pm
Isn't Trump late for a golf game? So repugnant.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2020, 03:52:35 pm
That's alot of old while men.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 04:05:50 pm
 Dow gaining 9.3%
went straigh up when he started talking
still down quite a bit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 04:08:53 pm
Reporter to Trump: are you concerned that you have been in contact with known carriers
Trump: we are not showing symptoms and not worried


this was gem: 'I don't take responsibly at all'
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 04:31:03 pm
southpaw @nycsouthpaw
Trump, on firing the whole NSC pandemic team: “When you say ‘me,’ I didn’t do it.”

George Conway@gtconway3d
the buck stops wherever convenient
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 13, 2020, 04:32:34 pm
(https://scontent.fewr1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/89359533_10158535621126800_5182461277707960320_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=hiGk9wcKoYYAX9iH6rM&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-3.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=ba4023e5d2cc22bd9f63512c4a5813c9&oe=5E923FD9)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 13, 2020, 06:52:46 pm
calling all geeks with some spare cycles:

Folding@home (@foldingathome)
Do you want to help us fight #COVIDー19 ? Download our client from https://foldingathome.org (https://foldingathome.org)  -> Install -> Set category to "ANY" #COVID19 is prioritized. GPU and CPU projects are up.
https://twitter.com/foldingathome/status/1238568504200253442 (https://twitter.com/foldingathome/status/1238568504200253442)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 13, 2020, 07:38:06 pm
Japanese Porn Company Makes 200 Movies Available For Free Due To Coronavirus Covid-19 (https://kotaku.com/japanese-porn-company-makes-200-movies-available-for-fr-1842309591)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2020, 08:00:21 pm
some covid humor
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83973803_10158140937509743_4836422265249726464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=nAmfBPZ6wscAX_cJZ0j&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=20f7a487ebdb916a7dd30fa8a3b92449&oe=5E9001BD)
my money's on montana
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 14, 2020, 10:06:31 am
So much for Montana and three of the others.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: K8teebug on March 14, 2020, 10:46:51 am
I just got off the phone with my 74 year old dad who is going to a party today and who said this is all Obama's fault. At least my Mom doesn't watch Fox News.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 14, 2020, 11:10:57 am
So much for Montana and three of the others.
looks like West Virgina takes it...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 14, 2020, 02:35:01 pm
Check out my blog for updates

https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2020/03/covid19---social-distancing--in-seattle-and-beyond.html?utm_campaign=hutchnews&utm_content=1584046688&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 14, 2020, 07:13:08 pm
Anti-inflammatories may aggravate Covid-19, France advises (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection)

For fever, take acetaminophen (aka paracetamol and Tylenol) instead of ibuprofen (Advil).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 15, 2020, 12:37:42 pm
José Andrés @chefjoseandres
People of America...Important News: All my restaurants in DC area are closed until further notice. Here at @ThinkFoodGroup safety of employees & guests is too priority. Some restaurants will transform into Community Kitchens to offer to-go lunches for those who need a meal. These Community Kitchens will be part of @WCKitchen  efforts across the country in the coming days & weeks. Not for enjoyment....but a service for people in need of a plate of food during this emergency. We are in an unprecedented emergency...and as painful as it is, ALL restaurants, bars, etc. must be closed across America if we are to avoid what’s happening in other countries. This is the only way. In this moment, loving each other means staying away from each other. This is about We The People. Each of us has a responsibility to act for others, not just ourselves. We are all together in this fight...and we will win.


and in case you were feeling good...here is some fucked up news from Team Trump

Brian Klaas@brianklaas
This is depraved. The German government confirms that Trump apparently tried to bribe German scientists into giving him exclusive rights to the Covid-19 vaccine they were working on developing. He wanted it “for the US only.” How many new lows will he set for the United States?

Quote Tweet Aman Batheja @amanbatheja
Germany's health ministry is confirming this bombshell story from German media outlet @welt
https://reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-usa/germany-tries-to-stop-us-from-luring-away-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSKBN2120IV

It’s unclear what exactly the intent was here: getting the rights to make money off selling it to other countries? Something else? This is a story that needs a lot more reporting clearly, but just when you thought you had lost your ability to be shocked by him, Trump manages.
One key point from @marceldirsus
: this is a huge news story in Germany. We need allies now more than ever to tackle a global pandemic. And instead, this is a public opinion disaster for US/German relations yet again due to Trump.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 15, 2020, 02:06:58 pm
@fritzhahn 1:53 PM · Mar 15,
New rules just down from D.C. gov:

* All nightclubs closed
* Suspending all bar seating
* Suspending service to standing patrons
* Tables and booths must be 6 feet apart and occupied by 6 people or fewer
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 15, 2020, 02:27:28 pm
Maryland casinos and race tracks to close (https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2020/03/baltimore-confirms-first-coronavirus-patient-as-dc-region-nears-100-total-cases/)

You've got until midnight tonight to get yr luck on.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 15, 2020, 02:32:54 pm
Coronavirus-Impacted Libraries Get Unlimited Access to Ebook Central Holdings  (https://www.proquest.com/blog/pqblog/2020/Coronavirus-Impacted-Libraries-Get-Unlimited-Access-to-Ebook-Central.html?fbclid=IwAR1om-9j3H_D4Ywo5F84O9udiuVjoqb5R309w-r6Fzsidh-rvX83bqjvJvA)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 15, 2020, 02:53:07 pm
happy ST(ay) Patrick's Day
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 15, 2020, 03:54:38 pm
@fritzhahn 1:53 PM · Mar 15,
New rules just down from D.C. gov:

* All nightclubs closed
* Suspending all bar seating
* Suspending service to standing patrons
* Tables and booths must be 6 feet apart and occupied by 6 people or fewer


Geezus they might as well just close..are the drunk patrons going to figure this shit out?


Yesterday I heard of a company letting someone go....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 15, 2020, 09:13:35 pm
Columbia Mall to close (https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-ob-coronavirus-cases-20200315-hz7ye3ah7jejhmhekt2nmgrjpu-story.html)

(fair warning: The Baltimore Sun website has a shit ton of pop-ups)

At the news conference announcing the woman’s illness, County Executive Calvin Ball also said he has declared a state of emergency and that The Mall in Columbia and other commercial gathering places will be closed for at least a week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 15, 2020, 09:52:14 pm
CDC recommending no gatherings of more than 50 people for 8 weeks


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 16, 2020, 10:21:55 am
Is there anybody left out there?


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 16, 2020, 10:23:56 am
We're all in line to get tested. Where are you?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 16, 2020, 10:35:37 am
At home trying to get my kids to do some schoolwork


The oldest wants to film a sketch comedy called The Big Virus Theory loosely based around his home schoolwork





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 16, 2020, 11:20:40 am
All Maryland bars, restaurants, theaters and gyms shut down. Carryout and delivery still available.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Vas Deferens on March 16, 2020, 11:27:21 am
at 5 PM

All Maryland bars, restaurants, theaters and gyms shut down. Carryout and delivery still available.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 16, 2020, 11:27:52 am
at 5 PM

All Maryland bars, restaurants, theaters and gyms shut down. Carryout and delivery still available.

Carryout and delivery still allowed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 16, 2020, 02:21:05 pm
Canada closes border (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/16/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-34EWOW326BFPZP466STAL4SSJA)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 16, 2020, 02:24:10 pm
Idris Elba tests positive (https://twitter.com/idriselba/status/1239617034901524481)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 16, 2020, 02:39:26 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89963884_10222587601378215_7297212108066783232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_oc=AQki5wkJoTdxNNTOmBynah14puac90Wgj7DpSTIYZXktf4G6cb30807YsfVL8ANQp84&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=acc8ebe7fb303ca1b1c2284527c8ce7d&oe=5E95E8FD)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 16, 2020, 02:41:39 pm
Idris Elba tests positive (https://twitter.com/idriselba/status/1239617034901524481)

Not the future James Bond!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 16, 2020, 03:01:04 pm
"Iran reported its biggest one day jump in coronavirus infections on Monday as another senior figure in the country’s clerical hierarchy died after contracting the covid-19 disease, according to Iranian news outlets.

Iran’s health ministry said the number of new infections had increased by 1,053, bringing the total to 14,991. The number of deaths jumped by 129 to 853, state television reported."

we are so effed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 16, 2020, 03:06:12 pm
"Iran reported its biggest one day jump in coronavirus infections on Monday as another senior figure in the country’s clerical hierarchy died after contracting the covid-19 disease, according to Iranian news outlets.

Iran’s health ministry said the number of new infections had increased by 1,053, bringing the total to 14,991. The number of deaths jumped by 129 to 853, state television reported."

we are so effed.

Imma not be the guy to post the links, but I've seen some absolutely horrid leaked video coming out of Iran and China... My... fucking... god.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 16, 2020, 03:07:55 pm
It is terrifying cause if you analyze data from China it appears Spain , Italy etc are spreading faster (higher on curve)


In fact how did China manage to contain it? That is what we should be studying 24-7....but it’s like this terrifying black hole we don’t want to enter

Seeing thousands of people at Disney yesterday or hundreds partying in the streets of New Orleans does not inspire confidence

So if all the above is true in a few weeks....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 16, 2020, 03:10:38 pm
We were out walking our dog Friday afternoon after teleworking....we ran into a neighbor who invited us over for beers...the neighbor with four kids in multiple schools, who had just come from a wrestling tournament the previous day. Sorry, nope, we can't come over for beers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 16, 2020, 03:13:42 pm
x
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 16, 2020, 03:15:41 pm
Bay Area "shelter in place" (https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 16, 2020, 03:27:12 pm
How did it spread from China to Iran and why is Iran so hard hit?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 16, 2020, 03:32:16 pm
There are airplanes...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 16, 2020, 03:44:24 pm
There are airplanes...

Do China and Iran have a closely tied tourism relationship?

Some are saying the situation in Iran is much worse than is being reported.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/irans-coronavirus-problem-lot-worse-it-seems/607663/


Here is part of the answer to my question.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-strategic-partnership-with-china-lies-at-root-of-its-coronavirus-outbreak-11583940683
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 16, 2020, 04:15:11 pm
In fact how did China manage to contain it? That is what we should be studying 24-7...

china's government confined millions of people to their houses.  not "stay home if you can, please", but "we'll arrest you on sight if you step outside your front door."  people complied.  cities turned into ghost towns.

that's just not gonna fly here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 16, 2020, 04:27:30 pm
I think it’s going to fly
Or we all going to die!



What a couplet

Maybe I will use it on my album I have decided to record for my 50th
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 16, 2020, 04:32:56 pm
prayers for smackie:

"Across California, as the coronavirus marches through communities, life as everyone understands it in the Golden State is changing dramatically, hour by hour, minute by minute.

The state has begun enacting extreme measures to halt the coronavirus outbreak. On Monday, six counties around Silicon Valley, one of the hardest-hit areas in the nation, announced a shelter-at-home order"

https://nyti.ms/2vqzBFr
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 16, 2020, 04:56:48 pm
So much for Montana and three of the others.
looks like West Virgina takes it...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
Can't take WV down...still holds the title of only state without know Covid case
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: rich_WDC on March 16, 2020, 05:10:56 pm
Speaking of West Virginia and the old Greenbriar....   Wonder if there's been secret talks of whisking away the seemingly-key government officials to an underground location, ala nuclear war planning.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 16, 2020, 05:52:10 pm
Speaking of West Virginia and the old Greenbriar....   Wonder if there's been secret talks of whisking away the seemingly-key government officials to an underground location, ala nuclear war planning.

Dr. Strangelove will be fully erect before this is over.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 16, 2020, 05:53:52 pm
In fact how did China manage to contain it? That is what we should be studying 24-7...

china's government confined millions of people to their houses.  not "stay home if you can, please", but "we'll arrest you on sight if you step outside your front door."  people complied.  cities turned into ghost towns.

that's just not gonna fly here.

i guess we're about to find out if such a request has wings: see my previous post about 7 million bay area residents being told to shelter in place (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-16-20-intl-hnk/h_e980e97e28a5ccafafe39b2db54ce91f).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 16, 2020, 06:00:17 pm
cleaning out the gene pool:

KID ROCK'S NASHVILLE BAR REFUSES TO CLOSE (https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/16/kid-rock-nashville-bar-big-ass-honky-tonk-not-closing-coronavirus/)
Mayor's Request Won't Fly
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 16, 2020, 06:21:59 pm
Ron paul still thinks it a hoax (http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/) updated today
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 16, 2020, 06:53:43 pm
trump gave himself 10 out of 10 for his administration's response to the coronavirus (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/03/16/president-trump-rates-coronavirus-response-presser-sot-vpx.cnn)

always be sellin'.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 16, 2020, 06:56:58 pm
in somewhat good news
Mayor bowser just announced that DC bars and restaurants can start delivering closed containers of alcohol.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 16, 2020, 07:38:25 pm
in somewhat good news
Mayor bowser just announced that DC bars and restaurants can start delivering closed containers of alcohol.

Hell of a time to be alive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 16, 2020, 07:43:28 pm
SNL halts production
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 16, 2020, 07:48:35 pm
SNL halts production
Hell of a time to be alive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 16, 2020, 07:49:33 pm
SNL halts production
Hell of a time to be alive.

Helluva indeed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 16, 2020, 08:06:27 pm
SNL halts production
Hell of a time to be alive.

Helluva indeed
Heilung of a time to be alive, you mean.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 16, 2020, 08:13:32 pm
Pompeo lectures Iran

Man that takes chutzpah

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 16, 2020, 08:47:34 pm
Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson leave hospital after coronavirus treatment: People magazine (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hanks-idUSKBN2133VO?taid=5e701daff629ab00016abe70&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 17, 2020, 08:44:58 am
Goodnight sweet prince

https://twitter.com/TheMoCoShow/status/1239889329511636994?s=19
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 10:14:49 am
Hey parents of school-aged kid, how would you feel about no school until Fall?

https://twitter.com/TheMoCoShow/status/1239889329511636994?s=19
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 17, 2020, 10:24:20 am
Hey parents of school-aged kid, how would you feel about no school until Fall?

https://twitter.com/TheMoCoShow/status/1239889329511636994?s=19

Thank you for posting the same exact thing I posted one centimeter above
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 17, 2020, 10:27:52 am
Hey parents of school-aged kid, how would you feel about no school until Fall?

https://twitter.com/TheMoCoShow/status/1239889329511636994?s=19

I'm good, but my seniors are freaking out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 10:38:46 am
Hey parents of school-aged kid, how would you feel about no school until Fall?

https://twitter.com/TheMoCoShow/status/1239889329511636994?s=19

Thank you for posting the same exact thing I posted one centimeter above

You're welcome. I also lose track of time and don't know remember how old your kids are. Are they in school and how do you feel about potentially no school until Fall?

There comes a point in time where overreaction goes beyond being prudent and encroaches into being societally disruptive. I'm not going to be the person who says what that point is.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 10:51:13 am
Don’t we have enough shit to worry about going on now that we are going to worry about this?

It wouldn’t bother me in the least..you know what bothers me? That YouTube video of a man going through ten pages of obits in Bergamo newspaper
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 17, 2020, 11:07:31 am
MD Primaries delayed until June 2. Possibly online?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 11:23:02 am
Don’t we have enough shit to worry about going on now that we are going to worry about this?

It wouldn’t bother me in the least..you know what bothers me? That YouTube video of a man going through ten pages of obits in Bergamo newspaper

90% of the deaths in Italy are over 70, and what percent of them were smokers? We're going to tank the future of the world to save these remnants of the past?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opinions/south-korea-italy-coronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

I understand flattening the curve, but there has to be some limits to how much we're going to change society is this is indeed a disease that is mostly going to kill the weakest of old people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 11:25:03 am
I can’t even
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 17, 2020, 11:30:16 am
I can’t even
Can you still odd, at least? IF you can't do either, you need to get tested/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 17, 2020, 11:31:20 am
I can’t even
Can you still odd, at least? IF you can't do either, you need to get tested/

To be fair, irrational numbers are neither even nor odd.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 17, 2020, 11:37:01 am
Hey parents of school-aged kid, how would you feel about no school until Fall?

https://twitter.com/TheMoCoShow/status/1239889329511636994?s=19

Thank you for posting the same exact thing I posted one centimeter above

You're welcome. I also lose track of time and don't know remember how old your kids are. Are they in school and how do you feel about potentially no school until Fall?

There comes a point in time where overreaction goes beyond being prudent and encroaches into being societally disruptive. I'm not going to be the person who says what that point is.

It's definitely not ideal... But nothing really is at this point. I'm conducting full on school at my house, at least going on day two. Talk to me in a week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 17, 2020, 12:25:32 pm
Don’t we have enough shit to worry about going on now that we are going to worry about this?

It wouldn’t bother me in the least..you know what bothers me? That YouTube video of a man going through ten pages of obits in Bergamo newspaper

90% of the deaths in Italy are over 70, and what percent of them were smokers? We're going to tank the future of the world to save these remnants of the past?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opinions/south-korea-italy-coronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

I understand flattening the curve, but there has to be some limits to how much we're going to change society is this is indeed a disease that is mostly going to kill the weakest of old people.

sorry this disease isn't relevant to you.  some of us like our parents. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 12:36:37 pm
No kidding

One of the things that makes us human is we care about our elders...and have ever since we have been around..with the rationale employed by Space we might as well euthanize old people and the weaker cause of the cost they occasion society

It’s really kind of disgusting and troubling to read Space’s post no doubt stemming from the great inconvenience he has been caused by having his child home and having to be teleworking from home at same time as his lovable wife..get your shit together Space..I mean it’s been a few days

https://pagesix.com/2020/03/16/mel-brooks-and-son-max-team-up-for-coronavirus-psa/?fbclid=IwAR19dztkNbXgXaGLklVFDMhr03wUucWGHQsJx7xWmGrL4syAzXdP7-q7GrQ
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 12:49:10 pm
No kidding

One of the things that makes us human is we care about our elders...and have ever since we have been around..with the rationale employed by Space we might as well euthanize old people and the weaker cause of the cost they occasion society

It’s really kind of disgusting and troubling to read Space’s post no doubt stemming from the great inconvenience he has been caused by having his child home and having to be teleworking from home at same time as his lovable wife..get your shit together Space..I mean it’s been a few days

https://pagesix.com/2020/03/16/mel-brooks-and-son-max-team-up-for-coronavirus-psa/?fbclid=IwAR19dztkNbXgXaGLklVFDMhr03wUucWGHQsJx7xWmGrL4syAzXdP7-q7GrQ

FU Hutch. I'm perfectly fine teleworking and homeschooling, until the end of time. It's actually the life my wife and daughter dream of, and I can deal with it just fine.

I'm thinking of others. How many people are going to lose their jobs, their life savings. their homes, etc. because of this? Not everyone can sit at home and telework. Most can't.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 17, 2020, 12:49:51 pm
Quarantined Italians record messages for "themself from 10 days ago" during Coronavirus pandemic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_cImRzKXOs)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 17, 2020, 12:54:32 pm
$1,000 cash per person and you don't have to pay your taxes until July.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 17, 2020, 01:02:54 pm
Anybody else sick of the "we're here for you!" emails? Just got one that almost literally says that in the subject. I don't think I'll need the meeting room scheduling app for a while, and I've got enough kinky underwear for now, thank you very much.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 01:03:11 pm
$1,000 cash per person and you don't have to pay your taxes until July.

How about more for those who actually need it and none for those of us who don't.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 01:05:04 pm
No FU Space

That was a horrible thing to post.

So dismissive of the dead...oh they were old and weak anyways


My reaction when I saw that video of the person turning the pages of obits in Bergamo was to cry - the human reaction-not think oh they were old and weak

So Fuck You

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 17, 2020, 01:06:22 pm
$1,000 cash per person and you don't have to pay your taxes until July.

How about more for those who actually need it and none for those of us who don't.

Yeah, that's part of it.  Deets TBA.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 17, 2020, 01:12:52 pm
$1,000 cash per person and you don't have to pay your taxes until July.

How about more for those who actually need it and none for those of us who don't.

Yeah, that's part of it.  Deets TBA.
To make Space’s point, they are talking families that make $180k still getting it. That’s . . . wild.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 01:18:54 pm
It’s going to take time to work through it

I am guessing before this is all over government will have to assist and prop up many (millions) workers adversely affected...repercussions on taxes (refunds)....halt to evictions etc...lots of things will need to happen to help people through challenging times but the ONE thing that will not happen is society turning on the old and weak

Having said that if there aren’t enough respirators and you have a person who is 80 and a person who is 40 tough choices will I am sure be made...but we are not there yet and hopefully never will be
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 01:28:42 pm
I mean if god forbid we don’t flatten this quick there will be mandatory curfews and the national guard will be roaming the streets distributing pallets of food, medicine  or something

People who say that can’t happen in the US simply aren’t being realistic
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 17, 2020, 01:41:39 pm
Having said that if there aren’t enough respirators and you have a person who is 80 and a person who is 40 tough choices will I am sure be made...but we are not there yet and hopefully never will be

i fear that we are headed for that in early outbreak areas, like seattle.  we spent a long time dillydallying before going on lockdown last friday.  that's a month-plus of the virus spreading.  probably won't be bad everywhere, but i can see certain hospitals having to make some very tough decisions in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 17, 2020, 01:45:20 pm
Maryland to turn vehicle emissions sites into drive-through virus test centers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/03/17/coronavirus-dc-maryland-virginia-updates/#link-OIQ4ZRTENRGI3KONEO2NDAOYOI)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 17, 2020, 01:49:37 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/4t9L3kJ/washing.jpg)

I know there's been a lot of these but this one is perfectly absurd.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 17, 2020, 02:20:45 pm
Just had a beach house rental out on Hatteras (Outer Banks) for the first week of April cancelled because of a travel ban. Fine with that. Little irked the rental company is taking the tact that "the house is available and you are welcome to stay there, it is not our fault you are not a Dare County resident, ergo no refund or rescheduling". Really?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 17, 2020, 02:29:51 pm
did they really say ergo in their email

That is a little shitty
Did you pay by credit card...you could probably dispute that easily
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 17, 2020, 02:33:27 pm
did they really say ergo in their email

That is a little shitty
Did you pay by credit card...you could probably dispute that easily
No, this was a summary of the phone call. They said the house is available and it's outside their control that I am not a resident of the County and allowed to get to the house, which they wanted to stress, is still available.

This is one of those where I'm going to let them give 500 other people this line of reasoning and let someone else run to their local news and get them to do a 180 instead of me actually expending a lot of personal effort.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 02:34:08 pm
Speaking of the beach, idiots.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SarahHollenbeck/status/1239621939729235968
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 02:48:24 pm
This is why things like mandatory curfews and martial law exist

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 17, 2020, 03:02:07 pm
My 79 year old mother went and got a haircut yesterdaybecause she "needed" one. She says that she ran the idea past my sister first, and my sister said yes.
questions:
How is a hair salon open at all?
How does an open hair salon feel that serving the elderly right now is a good idea?
Does my sister have an ulterior motive?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 17, 2020, 03:51:09 pm
Maryland to turn vehicle emissions sites into drive-through virus test centers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/03/17/coronavirus-dc-maryland-virginia-updates/#link-OIQ4ZRTENRGI3KONEO2NDAOYOI)

This is a brilliant idea, great use of facilities already  setup for the handling the lines of vehicles
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 17, 2020, 04:58:21 pm
Just had a beach house rental out on Hatteras (Outer Banks) for the first week of April cancelled because of a travel ban. Fine with that. Little irked the rental company is taking the tact that "the house is available and you are welcome to stay there, it is not our fault you are not a Dare County resident, ergo no refund or rescheduling". Really?

I'd battle that to the bitter end.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 17, 2020, 05:14:33 pm
Just had a beach house rental out on Hatteras (Outer Banks) for the first week of April cancelled because of a travel ban. Fine with that. Little irked the rental company is taking the tact that "the house is available and you are welcome to stay there, it is not our fault you are not a Dare County resident, ergo no refund or rescheduling". Really?

I'd battle that to the bitter end.
As I said, I will let the hivemind of other people impacted do the labor there and see if it doesn’t work itself out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 06:13:38 pm
Here's my story for the day.

I got mail saying it's time to renew my driver's license ahead of my expiration in early May. Since I need the VA RealID to fly (my passport is also about to expire), I had to go in in person. I don't know if I'll be able to fly in June, but i wanted to make sure my license issues were taken care of today, before the possibility of everything shutting down (indeed they are now shutting down for at least two weeks) and me not having proper id to fly.

When I arrived at DMV shortly after opening, there was a line outside, and letting one person in for each person who went out. The line was about 30 long.

A short time later, someone tried cut the line and a Latina or maybe Middle Eastern looking woman (point is she definitely wasn't Chinese) reported him to the armed security guards. The guards asked the crowd if the guy indeed cut in line and it was confirmed. They booted his ass out the door.

As he was exiting, he muttered "fucking Chinese looking bitch." To which someone called out, "Hey stop that, that's no cool."  I then added "Go to the back of the line you ugly Flava Flav looking motherfucker."

And surprisingly, rather than leaving in embarrassment, Flav went to the back on the line and stood in the cold rain like the rest of us.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 17, 2020, 06:17:31 pm
Space - I think you are in VA?

License expirations are pushed back 60 days as of this morning and real ID requirements aren’t in effect to October so unless I am misunderstanding your travel needs, you are fine (albeit inconvenienced).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: rich_WDC on March 17, 2020, 06:21:25 pm
West Virginia.

We're now united as one nation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 06:29:33 pm
Space - I think you are in VA?

License expirations are pushed back 60 days as of this morning and real ID requirements aren’t in effect to October so unless I am misunderstanding your travel needs, you are fine (albeit inconvenienced).

Yes, VA. Thanks.

I just wanted to get it all done and have one less think to worry about. My wife followed up later in the day, as her birthday/expiration is 25 days after mine.

Was it stupid of me to go stand in a line of strangers who weren't six feet apart (though i tried my best?) Probably, but i felt like it was a safer situation than being in a crowded grocery store Saturday morning. Nobody coughed. Nobody sneezed. I washed my hands in the bathroom before leaving and wore garden gloves when opening doors.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 06:31:56 pm
Anybody standing in lines at this point is a certifiable moron


Unfortunately they are endangering everyone else...

I guess Space doesn’t care..he’s not old..fuck the old people they are weak

Moron
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 17, 2020, 06:34:59 pm
I'd also bet money space didn't call that African American gentlemen "a flava flave lookin mother fucker."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 06:37:20 pm
I wonder if he even went in a line...can he be that stupid?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 06:37:54 pm
I'd also bet money space didn't call that African American gentlemen "a flava flave lookin mother fucker."

Oh, he was a white guy.

An African-American guy probably would have been more insulted.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 06:39:10 pm
Anybody standing in lines at this point is a certifiable moron


Unfortunately they are endangering everyone else...

I guess Space doesn’t care..he’s not old..fuck the old people they are weak

Moron

Have any plans to go to the grocery store in the next few months? You're going to be standing in a line.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 06:40:31 pm
Went on Sunday...no line

But you know what food is essential to survival...going to the DMV is not
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 17, 2020, 06:43:32 pm
People like Space are a great example of why we need martial law ASAP

People are just too stupid to make common sense decisions..and too selfish


“OMG I might not have a driver’s license for that trip that will be canceled...let me go hang out at a DMV!!!”

Then he shows off about it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 08:04:56 pm
Serious question: Should couples with kids and no other family in the area be practicing social distancing from each other...so that if one parent gets sick, the other doesn't?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 17, 2020, 08:06:37 pm
People like Space are a great example of why we need martial law ASAP

People are just too stupid to make common sense decisions..and too selfish


“OMG I might not have a driver’s license for that trip that will be canceled...let me go hang out at a DMV!!!”

Then he shows off about it

What was your most recent concert, either attended or worked at? When was the last time you took public transportation?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 17, 2020, 09:58:06 pm
West Virginia.

We're now united as one nation.
Dang I was holding out for them
they had a good run
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 01:46:24 am
Get ready guys to be forced to lock down in place. It’s coming.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 18, 2020, 02:16:19 am
Serious question: Should couples with kids and no other family in the area be practicing social distancing from each other...so that if one parent gets sick, the other doesn't?

you're already tired of being around your wife and are looking for an excuse to hide out in the basement all day? ;D

seriously tho, i wouldn't.  instead of worrying about each other, with whom you habitually share your microbes; i would concentrate on avoiding contact with external sources of virulence. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 02:20:11 am
We are so fucked

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html?fbclid=IwAR1Kqx5gAHxSlA_-jG2mKWRdhqdmHZ2qE0C9UY-6FOPxBJDCPhKf2WOBrU4
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 18, 2020, 08:34:39 am
Get ready guys to be forced to lock down in place. It’s coming.

Is that why Netfllix hasn't sent me another DVD even though i returned on Saturday morning? They fear if they send it, they won't get it back?

But seriously, I totally agree with you here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 18, 2020, 08:41:48 am
We are so fucked

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html?fbclid=IwAR1Kqx5gAHxSlA_-jG2mKWRdhqdmHZ2qE0C9UY-6FOPxBJDCPhKf2WOBrU4

Does America have the capability to manufacture a large supply of ventilators in a short period of time? I'm assuming hotels could be converted to makeshift hospitals....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 08:52:23 am
I am really hoping that article is wrong...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2020, 08:56:22 am
I am really hoping that article is wrong...
me fucking too...
the actual death toll from the virus would be closer to 4 million Americans -- in a span of 3 months. 8-15% of all Americans over 70 would die.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 18, 2020, 09:15:32 am
Serious question: Should couples with kids and no other family in the area be practicing social distancing from each other...so that if one parent gets sick, the other doesn't?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Scenes_from_a_Marriage_DVD_cover.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2020, 09:46:28 am
trump seems laser-focused on this virus issue

@realDonaldTrump
95% Approval Rating in the Republican Party, 53% overall. Not bad considering I get nothing but Fake & Corrupt News, day and night. “Russia, Russia, Russia”, then “the Ukraine Scam (where’s the Whistleblower?)”, the “Impeachment Hoax”, and more, more, more....


Last I checked the news was not talking about Russia or Ukraine or Impeachment....AT ALL
and 53%, come on man...even Rasmussen has him at 46
Although his support is still amazingly high
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 09:57:52 am
Trump is done

Come November it will be

Covid19 1 Trump 0

It’s over...of course we are all going to pay
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2020, 11:24:32 am
dow breaks below 20K
how low will it go
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 11:26:39 am
They will shut it down before it gets too low
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2020, 12:22:58 pm
Mick Mulvaney at CPAC: Coronavirus is the Dem’s new favorite hoax. They want to bring down the President.
- Audience cheers

we are soo fucked...

That aged well Mick
Outgoing acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney under self-quarantine (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/outgoing-acting-white-house-chief-of-staff-mick-mulvaney-under-self-quarantine-coronavirus/)
forgot he was only acting (like a chief of staff)

God 20 days ago seems like last decade
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 12:25:26 pm
Let’s rename AD BC before corona

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2020, 12:47:25 pm
dow breaks below 20K
how low will it go
that is one scary looking chart
that other dip down to 22k I think was during the GOP gov't shut down over our 'state of emergency' at the border
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETZ8eY6XgAE_VPJ?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2020, 01:15:55 pm
It could go below 10,000 if thousands of people start dropping dead and there is martial law...but they will shut it down before that

I hope everyone has a safe job

President Trump just said the corona virus snuck up on us! He had nearly three months
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 18, 2020, 09:29:08 pm
Utahns.
Utahns?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 12:15:32 am
It’s just crazy...this morning we had about 5000 cases...am going to bed and we are closing in on 10,000

At this pace in a few days we will have the highest number of cases in the world
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2020, 01:49:07 am
It’s just crazy...this morning we had about 5000 cases...am going to bed and we are closing in on 10,000

At this pace in a few days we will have the highest number of cases in the world

Snuck up on ya indeed.

but we're overreacting, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 09:06:13 am
A Spacist Senator says yes


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/politics/ron-johnson-coronavirus-guidance-deaths/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 19, 2020, 09:18:48 am
A Spacist Senator says yes


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/politics/ron-johnson-coronavirus-guidance-deaths/index.html

I never said we were overreacting. I think we are still underreacting at this point. But if we're three, four, five years down the line and there's no vaccine, at some point schools and businesses will need to start reopening, don't you think?



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 09:27:13 am
Dude you are just trolling...I am social distancing from you!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Bagley on March 19, 2020, 09:39:56 am
There were no new cases reported in China yesterday.  So, that's a good thing!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 19, 2020, 10:08:26 am
There were no new cases reported in China yesterday.  So, that's a good thing!

Yes, it is.

Caveat is that there were no new community spread cases. There were 34 new cases in China, all brought from outside the country.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2020, 11:50:43 am
also, i don't know if i'm ready to believe the chinese government on this.  their initial reaction was as botched as ours, and i'm sure Xi is ready to put this behind him - so who knows, maybe it's a case of "less than 100/day?  let's call that zero, close enough, mission accomplished!"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2020, 11:57:47 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETdsd1BXYAA48G8?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETbj5G6XsAA4YyD?format=jpg&name=small)

Got someone to FFTY lou
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETfG7f7U0AEOqWT?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: lily1 on March 19, 2020, 02:53:46 pm
Agreed. While you've got to question most, if not all, countries' reporting of cases and fatalities, I'd really really really question the Chinese government.

also, i don't know if i'm ready to believe the chinese government on this.  their initial reaction was as botched as ours, and i'm sure Xi is ready to put this behind him - so who knows, maybe it's a case of "less than 100/day?  let's call that zero, close enough, mission accomplished!"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 03:00:15 pm
The more cases they had and the more fatalities they had the more impressive the fact they seem to have regained control of the situation....

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2020, 03:06:49 pm
the chinese gov't has not allowed the WHO in, and has kicked out many foreign journalists (not just americans...).  and now that impartial witnesses are gone, everything is suddenly all good?  hmmm...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 03:30:28 pm
I don’t think anyone is saying all good

They are not in the clear..

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2020, 03:44:40 pm
Dow broke below 19k at one point...
52 Week Range
18,917.46 - 29,568.57
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 03:58:40 pm
I don’t get the fascination with the Dow

I mean it will eventually go right back up....lots of people making a killing right now


I would expect it below 15,000 easy
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2020, 04:13:34 pm
I don’t get the fascination with the Dow
Well it isn't the whole market, just 30 big US stocks and a pretty big indicator of the market as a whole
it lost a 1/3 of it's value in less than 8 days...that's a pretty big deal, like 1929 big
Market and economies are different now, but still somewhat insane

Quote
I would expect it below 15,000 easy
Need some cash to take advantage of that :(
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 19, 2020, 04:20:36 pm
Quote
I would expect it below 15,000 easy
Need some cash to take advantage of that :(
Have you considered a side hustle where you write papers for college students for money?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 04:30:31 pm
Actually you would wait til stocks cratered..take out equity from your home..buy stock..and then wait til it goes up...make a killing

You just have to have the stomach for it which you obviously don’t
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 04:37:48 pm
Stocks in March 2009 hit 6500!!


Of course the stock market is a big deal...am just saying one would expect it to go way down...then recover...eventually...

the increase under Trump always seemed kind of out of all reason given the president puts everyone at risk...but Wall Street doesn’t exactly go up or down based on common sense
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2020, 05:42:47 pm
Quote
I would expect it below 15,000 easy
Need some cash to take advantage of that :(
Have you considered a side hustle where you write papers for college students for money?
I've considered it, but the plan falls apart when I realize that the students would flunk out and blame me because the grammar, spelling and even tense was so bad they got recommended for a remedial English class and an F on the paper
So if there is a demand for those kinds of papers...send em my way
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 19, 2020, 05:44:17 pm
I'm thinking a prequel to the compendium of numbers masterpiece.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2020, 05:44:43 pm
Stocks in March 2009 hit 6500!!


Of course the stock market is a big deal...am just saying one would expect it to go way down...then recover...eventually...

the increase under Trump always seemed kind of out of all reason given the president puts everyone at risk...but Wall Street doesn’t exactly go up or down based on common sense
I guess for me, I really want to rub Trump's face in it.  It's lame and I know it will come back (it may take 5+ years or even a decade)
It's like the major plaform of his whole 'why I'm so great'....well how's that workin for ya now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2020, 05:45:39 pm
Actually you would wait til stocks cratered..take out equity from your home..buy stock..and then wait til it goes up...make a killing

You just have to have the stomach for it which you obviously don’t
I don't and when I take out equity, it's for trivial things!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2020, 05:47:10 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90594703_2985838854771410_1570434128694738944_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_oc=AQl851POv828bacVy4q66dAqSOdarTVxVZu523EHuLSe60DSKdfUJiwWPvBsg3DPpJk&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=94f000c98babf1b9471931825cd75ce8&oe=5E98CAF0)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 19, 2020, 05:52:58 pm
I'm thinking a prequel to the compendium of numbers masterpiece.
We need it now more than ever.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 19, 2020, 05:57:23 pm
I'm thinking a prequel to the compendium of numbers masterpiece.
We need it now more than ever.

Just don't go negative.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 19, 2020, 05:57:52 pm
It's not even 6pm EST and the USA is up almost 50% over yesterday. Seems like we failed at social distancing last weekend.

 :'(
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2020, 05:59:49 pm
Seems like we failed at social distancing last weekend.

Texas and Florida crowds continue partying despite outbreak (https://abc13.com/6027482/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2020, 06:02:50 pm
I'm thinking a prequel to the compendium of numbers masterpiece.
We need it now more than ever.

Just don't go negative.
hmm, was thinking the prequel could only be negative...you made it much more challenging
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 07:29:56 pm
We are at 13,000 cases

Imagine if they could test everyone?

You can have it and hardly feel it


I saw someone I know posted pics of himself with his family at the beach in FL

Young guy..early 20s

I think people just don’t get it...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2020, 08:07:27 pm
We are at 13,000 cases

Imagine if they could test everyone?

official count of COVID-19 cases in the US:
3/15: 3,680
3/16: 4,663
3/17: 6,411
3/18: 9,259
3/19: 13,000+
source (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

yeah, this is going well.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 19, 2020, 08:10:27 pm
The 13k count doesn’t scratch it. 1 out of every ten people who should be tested even have access to a test. This is not going to be over in a week or three.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 19, 2020, 08:20:40 pm
Right. I mean HHS said 18 months, multiple waves.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 19, 2020, 08:23:37 pm
Right. I mean HHS said 18 months, multiple waves.
I was talking about wave one.

I have at least 10 employees with the exact symptoms pulling shifts in senior care congregate care facilities who cannot get a test if we want to pay full fair for it. We (the country, not my company) is straight fucked.

This is on Trump and small government rubes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 19, 2020, 08:24:28 pm
Oh yeah,  that's more like 20 weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 19, 2020, 08:42:52 pm
Here's my story for the day.

I got mail saying it's time to renew my driver's license ahead of my expiration in early May. Since I need the VA RealID to fly (my passport is also about to expire), I had to go in in person. I don't know if I'll be able to fly in June, but i wanted to make sure my license issues were taken care of today, before the possibility of everything shutting down (indeed they are now shutting down for at least two weeks) and me not having proper id to fly.

When I arrived at DMV shortly after opening, there was a line outside, and letting one person in for each person who went out. The line was about 30 long.

A short time later, someone tried cut the line and a Latina or maybe Middle Eastern looking woman (point is she definitely wasn't Chinese) reported him to the armed security guards. The guards asked the crowd if the guy indeed cut in line and it was confirmed. They booted his ass out the door.

As he was exiting, he muttered "fucking Chinese looking bitch." To which someone called out, "Hey stop that, that's no cool."  I then added "Go to the back of the line you ugly Flava Flav looking motherfucker."

And surprisingly, rather than leaving in embarrassment, Flav went to the back on the line and stood in the cold rain like the rest of us.


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/tsa-says-expired-licenses-ok-at-airport-security/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 09:57:00 pm
California issues statewide stay at home order
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 10:42:43 pm
Germany is winning


11,000 cases as of today...20 dead...mortality rate 0.18%
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2020, 10:58:12 pm
Unemployment claims estimated by Goldman Sachs to skyrocket to 2.2 million from 280k


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 20, 2020, 12:05:18 am
official count of COVID-19 cases in the US:
3/15: 3,680
3/16: 4,663
3/17: 6,411
3/18: 9,259
3/19: 13,000+
source (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

yeah, this is going well.

for the more visually-minded, this is what the curve looks like:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbVBfnL.png)

we should be at well over 20k tomorrow, and 100k by monday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2020, 08:08:32 am

Here's my story for the day.
And surprisingly, rather than leaving in embarrassment, Flav went to the back on the line and stood in the cold rain like the rest of us.
reads like the ending of an American classic
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 20, 2020, 08:48:12 am
Germany is winning


11,000 cases as of today...20 dead...mortality rate 0.18%

Germany's numbers do sound a little weird. Only 2 in serious/critical condition, compared to 2500 in Italy, 800 in Spain, and 931 in France?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 20, 2020, 08:59:14 am
official count of COVID-19 cases in the US:
3/15: 3,680
3/16: 4,663
3/17: 6,411
3/18: 9,259
3/19: 13,000+
source (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

yeah, this is going well.

for the more visually-minded, this is what the curve looks like:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbVBfnL.png)

we should be at well over 20k tomorrow, and 100k by monday.

God I hope not but am thinking same thing

I don’t know that most people can understand just how bad our government’s response has been

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 20, 2020, 09:35:53 am
Digestive symptoms too!
Daughter in NYC is feverish and vomiting and not communicating in real time.

  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-digestive-symptoms-diarrhea-almost-half-of-patients/?fbclid=IwAR1R5wxGhRftGIMaNwldn3K3mGnTLg6Ek4EeAZonWMa_NrNa2Ho82mkG3W4      (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-digestive-symptoms-diarrhea-almost-half-of-patients/?fbclid=IwAR1R5wxGhRftGIMaNwldn3K3mGnTLg6Ek4EeAZonWMa_NrNa2Ho82mkG3W4)

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 20, 2020, 09:41:02 am
Wow Challenged...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 20, 2020, 10:16:02 am
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/vQE5qtSGeQLZxKnFchd19wqWqLk=/1248x701/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BM25KCTKBQI6VMMZHKLZTRKFCI.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 20, 2020, 10:25:20 am
Wow Challenged...

Just got an update. Symptoms seem to be moderating.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 20, 2020, 10:30:31 am
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/vQE5qtSGeQLZxKnFchd19wqWqLk=/1248x701/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BM25KCTKBQI6VMMZHKLZTRKFCI.jpg)

Christopher Moore on Twitter:

A modest proposal: Every time someone uses the term "China Virus" reply with , "you mean the Trump Virus" and continue to use the term Trump Virus for the rest of the conversation. You know how he loves putting his name on things, and with those tiny hands...
9:56 AM · Mar 20, 2020·Twitter Web App

  https://twitter.com/TheAuthorGuy/status/1241000555343839233      (https://twitter.com/TheAuthorGuy/status/1241000555343839233)

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 20, 2020, 10:47:46 am
Wow Challenged...

Just got an update. Symptoms seem to be moderating.

That is very good news!


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 20, 2020, 12:23:46 pm
Sometimes I am embarrassed


Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) Tweeted:
This is a moral evil, potentially a crime against humanity: knowingly suffocating a country with a massive outbreak of a fatal virus from obtaining basic medical equipment: https://t.co/g8rRbmqdCn
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 20, 2020, 01:04:22 pm
did they really say ergo in their email

That is a little shitty
Did you pay by credit card...you could probably dispute that easily
No, this was a summary of the phone call. They said the house is available and it's outside their control that I am not a resident of the County and allowed to get to the house, which they wanted to stress, is still available.

This is one of those where I'm going to let them give 500 other people this line of reasoning and let someone else run to their local news and get them to do a 180 instead of me actually expending a lot of personal effort.
. . . and much as I expected, the NC Consumer Protection Bureau and AG have weighed in that this is illegal. No muss, no fuss.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2020, 01:19:11 pm
No muss, no fuss.
althought thougth you lived for muss and fuss
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 20, 2020, 01:20:48 pm
No muss, no fuss.
althought thougth you lived for muss and fuss
I'm outsourcing the majority of my muss and fuss. Let other people muss and fuss for most things and save my personal mussing and fussing for things that require a Julian-level of mussery and fussery. #Delegation
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 20, 2020, 02:38:19 pm
Right now my twitter timeline is all Bandcamp recommendations, sorry gang can't get to all of them..

and the disgrace in the WH berating a reporter for a softball question... 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2020, 03:29:44 pm
https://twitter.com/tam_hardie/status/1241059476465242113
Dude in a fucking plague mask just appeared on BBC



https://ew.com/movies/shaun-of-the-dead-coronavirus-parody
above all don't be a twat about things, we're all in this together

Ok didn't read the article...but what a great headline
I Refuse to Run a Coronavirus Home School
My kids are watching TV, playing video games and eating cookies. It’s fine.
(https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/opinion/coronavirus-home-school.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 20, 2020, 04:30:23 pm
FedEx Field to be a covid-19 testing site.  Will they blow it up after this is all over?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 20, 2020, 04:34:35 pm
I was smoking 1-2 packs a week lately...not anymore! And I am fuckin cranky


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 20, 2020, 04:43:29 pm
I feel the same way
(https://media.giphy.com/media/JmD9mkDmzvXE7nxy7j/giphy.gif)
although I use end up in tears and shouting at the screen
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 20, 2020, 05:00:18 pm
^ he's touching his face...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: rich_WDC on March 20, 2020, 05:18:54 pm
FedEx Field to be a covid-19 testing site.
I'm assuming the $40-$60 parking fee still applies...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 20, 2020, 05:21:15 pm
FedEx Field to be a covid-19 testing site.
I'm assuming the $40-$60 parking fee still applies...
You have to buy tests for four diseases you don’t care about in order to get the COVID test.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 20, 2020, 07:20:05 pm
First COVID-19, now this shit. Africa thought they were getting off easy...

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/20/locust-crisis-poses-a-danger-to-millions-forecasters-warn
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 20, 2020, 08:42:16 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/yk0PfXF/judith.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 20, 2020, 09:34:43 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/6Bk5npK/percussions.jpg)

Sometimes you win with autocorrect.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 21, 2020, 12:39:38 pm
Good advice from NYC Health (opens PDF): Sex and Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) (https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-sex-guidance.pdf)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 21, 2020, 12:56:11 pm
IMP Family Fund:

buy a gift card/IMP matches a donation to staff fund.

Our Staff. Our Venues. Our Artists. Our Community.

 

We always say we have the best staff in the world, and right now they need us more than ever.

The prohibition of gatherings in the city was just extended to April 27, which frankly, is painful. The majority of our hourly staff is effectively out of work until we are able to reopen, which is why we've created the I.M.P. Family Fund to assist in these difficult times. 

Starting right now, I.M.P. will match the value of every gift card purchased in the next week (through March 28th) with a donation to the I.M.P. Family Fund. Your gift card purchase is really a double whammy. Not only does it help our staff now, it is support for future concerts, artists and the venues when we reopen. (We cannot wait for that day!) What’s more, Friends With Benefits members will earn double points on the gift card purchase.

 

So, head on over to our merch page, and grab a gift card (or maybe a few) today to use for tickets to a future show, merch or concessions, and know that the same amount will go towards helping out our stellar team.

CLICK HERE TO PURCHASE A GIFT CARD!

  https://930-club.myshopify.com/products/9-30-gift-card?utm_source=hive&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=hive_email_id_50646&h_sid=d01aa67c1b-57b429e0f8987699350535d3       (https://930-club.myshopify.com/products/9-30-gift-card?utm_source=hive&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=hive_email_id_50646&h_sid=d01aa67c1b-57b429e0f8987699350535d3)



 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2020, 01:10:43 pm
Thanks for posting that Challenged...some good IMP folk are hurting...

Many IMP staff hold down multiple jobs and have been let go from their other -sometimes primary- jobs...I know a few

The email I got said IMP was also going to pay staff an extra week’s check and gave staff option to donate that extra check to the fund if they wished
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 21, 2020, 02:36:07 pm
To be honest, I was there last week.

"It's tough times for those in need of a haircut" https://twitter.com/i/events/1241064250606415873
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 21, 2020, 03:25:39 pm
To be honest, I was there last week.

"It's tough times for those in need of a haircut" https://twitter.com/i/events/1241064250606415873

I got my first haircut in six months on March 10 knowing it might be my last for a while. And got my dog's hair cut on March 12.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2020, 03:34:58 pm
You are so prudent

It’s kind of disgusting actually
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2020, 04:42:00 pm
official count of COVID-19 cases in the US:
3/15: 3,680
3/16: 4,663
3/17: 6,411
3/18: 9,259
3/19: 13,000+
source (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

yeah, this is going well.

for the more visually-minded, this is what the curve looks like:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbVBfnL.png)

we should be at well over 20k tomorrow, and 100k by monday.

We did it!

21240 as of an hour ago!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 21, 2020, 05:36:10 pm
You are so prudent

It’s kind of disgusting actually

So is smoking a pack or two of cigs a day.

I know my hairstylist appreciated the business. Most people cancelled on her that day.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 21, 2020, 05:41:51 pm
US mortality rate for COVIS-19 infected currently at 1.17% That will no doubt go up if they stop testing mild and asymptomatic cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2020, 06:15:56 pm
You are so prudent

It’s kind of disgusting actually

So is smoking a pack or two of cigs a day.

I know my hairstylist appreciated the business. Most people cancelled on her that day.

I believe I wrote 1-2 packs a week

Whatever dude...you are exhibiting some stupid ass behavior...standing in dmv lines check...hairstylist appt check grocery stores multiple times a week check

You must think you are immune to covid and you might be ok even if you get it...but you could pass it on to someone who isn’t

The DMV line...that was pure asshattery of the highest order
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 21, 2020, 06:36:27 pm
You are so prudent

It’s kind of disgusting actually

So is smoking a pack or two of cigs a day.

I know my hairstylist appreciated the business. Most people cancelled on her that day.

I believe I wrote 1-2 packs a week

Whatever dude...you are exhibiting some stupid ass behavior...standing in dmv lines check...hairstylist appt check grocery stores multiple times a week check

You must think you are immune to covid

WE're all going to get it, it's just a question of when. I like my chances of survival and full recovery. I also practice social distancing, and don't come into contact with anyone other then wife and kid.

The hairstylist appt was on the books for a month and was only three days after the first DC case.  Also five days before my employer mandated telework was announced. The appointment was on March 12, The DMV line (in which social distancing was practiced) was March 16. People on this Forum were still going to SHOWS on March 17/18. And would probably still be if DC hadn't shut them down. Why aren't you chastising them?

How long can you go without going to a grocery store? I'm good for about a week, but i need fresh produce and fresh fruit, that's going to help me be at my most healthy when i do get Corona.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2020, 06:50:49 pm
Where you at the DMV line when I was reading articles about flattening the curve and why it’s so important? Or about how non elderly without preexisting conditions will probably be fine but THAT’s not the point

Ok well got to move on here..got to stick an ice pick in my hand...never mind



 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2020, 08:30:43 pm
Sorry but am extra cranky as I haven’t had a cigarette in 4 days
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2020, 09:02:30 pm
Putting this here..probably it’s already on here

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 22, 2020, 01:03:37 am
Excellent Twitter thread (https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1240689935557865472)

Let’s talk about what happens if you get COVID19 and recover. Are you immune to the disease? How long does the immunity last? And what does that mean for your life and for the public health and economy of our society?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2020, 06:45:30 pm
Delaware stay at home order...getting close
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2020, 07:05:24 pm
official count of COVID-19 cases in the US:
3/15: 3,680
3/16: 4,663
3/17: 6,411
3/18: 9,259
3/19: 13,000+
source (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

yeah, this is going well.

for the more visually-minded, this is what the curve looks like:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbVBfnL.png)

we should be at well over 20k tomorrow, and 100k by monday.

I don’t know...33,000 so far...not sure 100k by Mondayis really gonna happen
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 22, 2020, 07:24:38 pm
official count of COVID-19 cases in the US:
3/15: 3,680
3/16: 4,663
3/17: 6,411
3/18: 9,259
3/19: 13,000+
source (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

yeah, this is going well.

for the more visually-minded, this is what the curve looks like:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbVBfnL.png)

we should be at well over 20k tomorrow, and 100k by monday.

I don’t know...33,000 so far...not sure 100k by Mondayis really gonna happen

Doubles every two days, sometimes three if we're lucky.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 22, 2020, 08:15:10 pm
My 79 year old mother went and got a haircut yesterdaybecause she "needed" one. She says that she ran the idea past my sister first, and my sister said yes.
questions:
How is a hair salon open at all?
How does an open hair salon feel that serving the elderly right now is a good idea?
Does my sister have an ulterior motive?

I feel you pain there, Challenged. My 79 year old mom with respiratory issues who lives in senior housing (that she jus moved into a few months ago) apparently spent the day apartment hunting (at a different senior complex) and "shopping" in spite of my brother (who has no kids) living in a large single family house 10 miles away.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2020, 11:10:55 pm
Harvey Weinstein tests positive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 23, 2020, 07:42:44 am
Ron paul still thinks it a hoax (http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/) updated today
Still thinking it’s a hoax Ron ... now that your son has it
Karma

Here's one for the IT nerds out there
(https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C562CAQH87EVwq99M9Q/comment-image-shrink_8192_1280/0?e=1585054800&v=beta&t=srST5djQ47gbq1e6ugyn-xTo6ud-hc3bXRRwI4VPKMs)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 23, 2020, 09:48:04 am
Over the years I have come to loathe Wall Street


Watch them pressure to get money for the companies

No amount of money from government or concessions ever satisfies them and it’s so easy for them to sell right now to put pressure on democrats to go along with Mnuchin and Republicans

I know regular people aren’t even checking their 401k’s

Let it drop...the package should help people not corporations...

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 23, 2020, 10:41:51 am
Let it drop...the package should help people not corporations...

I agree....Dems should not give any ground on this issue
I'm sure the GOP will say this is a shitty time to do it, but they have done the exact opposite in the past
and jez, we're doing for the poeple, not so the cronies in the big corps
I think the voters will understand that the GOP is not willing to compromise here



Is this true???
@Redpainter1
5 Republican Senators now in self-quarantine and will most likely not be able to vote.

- Rick Scott FL
- Cory Gardner CO
- Mike Lee UT
- Mitt Romney UT
- Rand Paul KY

Dems have the majority in the Senate.

Mitch McConnell's biggest nightmare.

Let's see what happens now.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 23, 2020, 10:45:32 am
It’s complicated cause when companies start mass layoffs which seems to have started a few hours ago Republicans will blame democrats for not passing their corporate welfare bill...

It’s a fine line but I just don’t see point of propping up airlines...help the employees directly..airlines will come back...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 23, 2020, 10:50:28 am
I also think this is the time to do a sweeping Election reform
Nationwide Vote By Mail!  (yes each state has to do it, but the fed gov't could provide funds and assistance to get it in place by Nov)


It seems corporate shame works in the social media era!
Target Donates N95 Mask Inventory to Hospitals, Apologizes For Selling Masks in Seattle
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 23, 2020, 11:14:15 am
Is anybody else worried voting by mail will favor Republicans?

Maybe it’s just me but the inner cities are a shit show? Have you thought it through about poorer more transient people actually getting ballots?

Not to mention can you not imagine states with Republican governors using this as a way in which to not get ballots to certain groups?

It’s a nice buzzword and ultimately am for it but...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 23, 2020, 11:15:30 am
Hogan shuts down Maryland (not a shelter in place)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 23, 2020, 11:28:31 am
Is anybody else worried voting by mail will favor Republicans?
My only fear is that the below 30-year-olds won't even know what a mailbox looks like
I do think that Rep's could have advantages in that they could ensure that everyone in a Nursing home can vote.

But if more Americans were able to vote (let's say we get 80ish % participation)...and they still vote GOP, we'll then the people have spoken
Currently, lots of people are not voting...vast majority would vote dem (maybe I'm dreaming, but that seems to be the case)

More votes... ensure GOP losses
that's why they try hard to suppress voting and use code words like 'stopping voter fraud' (which translates to how can we make difficult for likely dem voters from casting their vote) 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 23, 2020, 11:55:27 am
Wow I just don’t think your assumptions are correct

And voter suppression of certain groups would continue

I don’t think you’ve thought this through...you are just assuming all best cases

I am in favor - generally - of anything that makes it easier to vote for people but if you don’t think a Republican governor in Florida, for example, would use this to fuck over Democrat voters hardcore...well

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 23, 2020, 12:40:29 pm
And voter suppression of certain groups would continue

I don’t think you’ve thought this through...you are just assuming all best cases
Of course....but would think if every resident who can legally vote was mailed a ballot (or could pick it up)
It would be easier to track
1. we'd document that every voter was mailed a ballot
2. we could document every received one and be able to do cross-checks so there was no double voting and fraud


But this is my fear

But some election experts warn that an abrupt adoption of vote-by-mail systems in states that aren’t sufficiently prepared would introduce new risks and avenues for disruption. The results, they say, could bring widespread confusion or even disenfranchise voters.

Would give trump and the GOP latitude to be like "we have to cancel the election results and we'll revisit this in 2024"


Not for nothing, but Amy (https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2020/3/with-unprecedented-disruptions-expected-from-coronavirus-klobuchar-and-wyden-introduce-bill-to-ensure-americans-are-still-able-to-vote) is trying to do something about it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 23, 2020, 01:00:13 pm
To me wait til we win control of both houses of Congress and White House in a few months to do this

Right now Republicans would take advantage of this to screw people over and Supreme Court would back them

We need major electoral reform but right now is a non starter
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 23, 2020, 01:44:17 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/8YxGhsK/teaching2020.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 23, 2020, 09:17:09 pm
Worth noting for those imbeciles saying Coronavirus only affects old people who are worthless anyways


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1166961?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 23, 2020, 11:51:09 pm
who would think a coin could get us out of this mess...
(https://www.mining.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Trillion-dollar-coin-proof.jpg)
might need to put 2020 on it tho
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 23, 2020, 11:58:55 pm
I don’t know...33,000 so far...not sure 100k by Mondayis really gonna happen

yup, didn't hit 100k... i think we're at 50k'ish, numbers are lower ("only" 46k) on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) because they define a day as london time (GMT+0), but we continued to report cases during our day...

... but regardless, the US now has the third most cases in the world (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)!  we've beaten spain and are gaining on italy - the silver is ours!

U - S - A ! ! !   U - S - A ! ! !   U - S - A ! ! !
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 24, 2020, 07:42:29 am
And I go to Facebook and someone I know posted this. Folks, please don't blame the Chinese or Trump for this mess. Blame God.



In three short months, just like He did with the plagues of Egypt, God has taken away everything we worship. God said, "you want to worship athletes, I will shut down the stadiums. You want to worship musicians, I will shut down Civic Centers. You want to worship actors, I will shut down theaters. You want to worship money, I will shut down the economy and collapse the stock market. You don't want to go to church and worship Me, I will make it where you can't go to church"

"If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

Maybe we don't need a vaccine, Maybe we need to take this time of isolation from the distractions of the world and have a personal revival where we focus on the ONLY thing in the world that really matters. Jesus.

If you believe this copy and share. Start the revival in your home......Spread the Love of Jesus.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 24, 2020, 12:59:07 pm
uhh... wow.

when you're drowning, you'll grasp at straws...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 24, 2020, 05:39:20 pm
Liberty University students return from spring break and head back to campus.  Prayer, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Bagley on March 24, 2020, 05:42:14 pm
Liberty University students return from spring break and head back to campus.  Prayer, right?

blind faith
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 24, 2020, 05:44:05 pm
Liberty University students return from spring break and head back to campus.  Prayer, right?
Shit. Now I agree with Space.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 24, 2020, 05:46:54 pm
Liberty University students return from spring break and head back to campus.  Prayer, right?
Shit. Now I agree with Space.
problem with space is he is often right
but when he's wrong...he's really wrong
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 24, 2020, 05:56:09 pm
Listening to Rep Don Beyer on town hall call


Good to hear some things that will be on  stimulus package to help people in some of the industries with people getting creamed like performing arts, restaurants etc
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 24, 2020, 05:59:42 pm
Good to hear some things that will be on  stimulus package to help people in some of the industries with people getting creamed like performing arts, restaurants etc
What about people who use internet forums?
they deserve some stimulus!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 24, 2020, 06:22:55 pm
A kid who licked toilets as part of the #CoronaVirusChallenge says he's now in the hospital with coronavirus. @gayshawnmendes was also just suspended from twitter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET0sFprX0AILSZd?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 24, 2020, 06:33:31 pm
Good to hear some things that will be on  stimulus package to help people in some of the industries with people getting creamed like performing arts, restaurants etc
What about people who use internet forums?
they deserve some stimulus!
I’ve long been of the position that my content is a public good I should be compensated for.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 24, 2020, 07:25:05 pm
(https://scontent.fphl2-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90199791_2150827988396331_8421593963013603328_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=RFHUoaeXgP0AX_bpkVV&_nc_ht=scontent.fphl2-4.fna&oh=c154009e2bd9cbe63cb938ea48af5e7a&oe=5E9FE7B7)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 25, 2020, 08:49:37 am
Jackson Browne and Prince Charles test positive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 25, 2020, 10:24:13 am
Jackson Browne and Prince Charles test positive
I just envisioned Prince Charles taking off his clothes to Somebody's Baby.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 25, 2020, 01:44:31 pm
Jackson Browne and Prince Charles test positive
I just envisioned Prince Charles taking off his clothes to Somebody's Baby.

we'd all appreciate it if you could confine your elite-porn fantasies to the JA thread.  thanks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 25, 2020, 02:49:28 pm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/coronavirus-gender-mortality-intl/index.html


Men might become a hot commodity


Imagine if 40% more men than women die...


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 25, 2020, 02:55:26 pm
Interesting

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/25/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-house-democrats-148512


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 25, 2020, 02:58:04 pm
I refuse to believe this is or will be the case


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/donald-trump-gallup-approval-polling/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 25, 2020, 03:02:33 pm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/coronavirus-gender-mortality-intl/index.html


Men might become a hot commodity


Imagine if 40% more men than women die...

If there were 3 million deaths (god forbid), that would mean 1.25 million women and 1.75 million men. So 500,000 more men.

 
There are currently about 3.4 million more women than men in the US.

164,751,515 males as of 31 December 2019. 168,113,791 females as of 31 December 2019.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 25, 2020, 03:04:55 pm
I refuse to believe this is or will be the case


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/donald-trump-gallup-approval-polling/index.html

Won't stay that way if either:

1. Hundreds of thousands of Americans die from Corona
2. We plunge into economic despair
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 25, 2020, 03:05:11 pm
You guys remember that Beach Boys song where they're all "two girls for eve-ryyyyyy boy!!!" This forum has been so forward thinking for years.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 25, 2020, 03:18:55 pm
We have been hearing how horrible men are for years..maybe this is the solution

Who knows maybe next we will hear it affects white men disproportionately
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 25, 2020, 03:23:17 pm
We have been hearing how horrible men are for years..maybe this is the solution

Who knows maybe next we will hear it affects white men disproportionately

Looking at the percentage of deaths and critical cases compared to total cases, I want to know why it affects Italians so much more than Germans.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And on a separate note, why is the CDC not releasing any statistics related to age, gender, and underlying conditions?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 25, 2020, 05:42:33 pm
G-7 failed to agree on statement after U.S. insisted on calling coronavirus outbreak "Wuhan virus"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 25, 2020, 05:45:59 pm
And on a separate note, why is the CDC not releasing any statistics related to age, gender, and underlying conditions?

likely because trump told them not to.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 25, 2020, 05:50:22 pm
my wife got tested this afternoon because she's had some low-grade symptoms.  she said the test hurt like hell.  they jammed the swab down her nose until it reaches the back of her throat. 

(https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/images/coronavirus-testing.PNG)
 
in other news:
- Spain has nationalized all of its private hospitals as the country goes into coronavirus lockdown (https://www.businessinsider.my/coronavirus-spain-nationalises-private-hospitals-emergency-covid-19-lockdown-2020-3) (missed this bit of communist expansion when it happened 9 days ago)
- TV networks cut away from the White House coronavirus briefing as Trump contradicted his health experts (https://www.businessinsider.my/trumps-critics-say-networks-should-stop-airing-coronavirus-briefings-2020-3) (finally)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 25, 2020, 06:04:44 pm
I heard trump and pence complaining about it...'a pinch' they said
that graphic is giving me nightmares
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 25, 2020, 06:09:40 pm
I heard trump and pence complaining about it...'a pinch' they said
that graphic is giving me nightmares
Yeah, I'll just die. It's fine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 25, 2020, 08:33:14 pm
Been almost two decades since I've been to Murphy's
this is oddly specific, but I guess that's a good thing
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET_rGgUWkAEUD4P?format=jpg&name=small)
Probably going to put that great place out of business :(
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 25, 2020, 08:39:40 pm
Been almost two decades since I've been to Murphy's
this is oddly specific, but I guess that's a good thing
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET_rGgUWkAEUD4P?format=jpg&name=small)
Probably going to put that great place out of business :(
I’ve always been an O'Connells man, myself.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 25, 2020, 09:02:36 pm
If you want some light reading, here’s the text to the Senate stimulus bill

https://politico.com/f/?id=00000171-1429-d270-a773-777f92a00000


833 pages!

I hear the Kennedy Center gets $25mil
well they are government run and easily will lose that much durring this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 25, 2020, 09:12:51 pm
It sounds like the bill is just spreading a lot of money around... a lot of it for pointless stuff...disappointing

The goal should not be to waste a ton of money

I guess you could argue give the Kennedy Center money and a lot of it will end up being paid to people but...they book shows so get kind of a subsidy

It’s all a clusterfuck I guess



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 25, 2020, 10:02:54 pm
Yeah, seems like their idea of compromise is
"Well, you 50mill for that, I should get $70 mil for my thing"
"wow that is a great compromise, let's get that in the bill"

this was good
(https://external-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCE6WFgicxb0_2d&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FET4tKN8VAAAL4KV.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQAMfjdcPpyaraBS)
the ads of late using his own words have been pretty brutal on this
if he did one or two pressers a week, he'd probably be in better shape
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 25, 2020, 10:30:56 pm
Those ads will be THE main attack ads in the Fall


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 07:56:58 am
yikes...
This morning the Department of Labor is expected to announce that as many as 3.4 million people filed for unemployment insurance last week.

    Not only would that be the highest level in history, it would be nearly five times the highest level of claims seen during the Great Recession.




This was good...
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91084763_10158094949312745_5601320039035699200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=c426qMwu6dcAX893XZE&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=667d8817e7fbcea6f4ce48bc01db541c&oe=5EA205A9)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2020, 08:17:05 am
I am just not seeing the humor in these things today

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: lily1 on March 26, 2020, 08:58:09 am
Germany is classifying cause of death differently than Italy so that partially explains the difference in numbers/percentages. I learned this watching an Italian broadcast earlier this week.*

If a German has an underlying medical issue and COVID 19 then COVID 19 is not listed as cause of death. Whereas an Italian who has an underlying medical issue and COVID 19 then COVID 19 is listed as cause of death. I believe this is also presenting in the US as states are following different reporting protocols.

I will dig around and see if I can find the broadcast again as well as the article (either in the Post or Times).*

*Of course, I take neither source at face value as the situation changes hourly, just another way to consider things. These are just some other details to help form your own opinions on this.

We have been hearing how horrible men are for years..maybe this is the solution

Who knows maybe next we will hear it affects white men disproportionately

Looking at the percentage of deaths and critical cases compared to total cases, I want to know why it affects Italians so much more than Germans.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And on a separate note, why is the CDC not releasing any statistics related to age, gender, and underlying conditions?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 09:01:26 am
^crap in crap out of data collection
Edit...it is Garbage in, garbage out.

so we'll never know actual numbers if everyone is reporting differently
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2020, 09:11:50 am
3.28 million unemployment claims


Interesting to read economists think we will go into a recession and rebound later in year

That last part seems a highly optimistic reading of the situation to me

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2020, 09:16:37 am
These are INITIAL claims so people just laid off...


Some kind of hoax this turned out to be
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 09:26:18 am
this chart...
(https://images.markets.businessinsider.com/image/5e74cbfac485401ddc19e8c2-1667/gs-initial-claims-projection-2x1-with-arrow.png)

What's scary is this was made last week and used a lower than actual number (1 mil lower)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2020, 10:22:25 am
In all seriousness and this could possibly merrit its own thread. How's everyone's current mental health status?

I'd say I'm at about a 4.125/10 today... Definitely the worst I've felt over the past few weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 26, 2020, 10:37:15 am
In all seriousness and this could possibly merrit its own thread. How's everyone's current mental health status?

I'd say I'm at about a 4.125/10 today... Definitely the worst I've felt over the past few weeks.

Not great but I always try to consider daily all that I'm grateful for, even when times are good. Like the fact that I'm physically well aside from the aches and pains of 52.

About a year ago I had some kind of respiratory illness which was mild to moderate during the day but was so bad at night that I felt like I was uncontrollably coughing my lungs up, and was having trouble breathing. Some nights I only slept a couple hours. Never a good might of sleep. Sleeping sitting up helped a little, but I'm not one who is typically able to sleep sitting up. And this went on for a few weeks. I definitely don't want to get anything like that, or worse, ever again.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2020, 10:42:40 am
I am pretty poor today actually and have slept poorly all week waking up in the middle of the night and not being able to go back to sleep..my issue is with   the horrible Trump response...thousands of people are going to die painfully in NYC and Trump and Republicans couldn’t care less. I am very upset by this...just as I am by all the Italians and Spanish people dropping dead (Argentina’s roots are mainly Italy - my family- and Spain mixed with European Jewry- my family) trying to stay away from FB
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 12:22:55 pm
Forget 4 years. Are you better off now than you were 4 weeks ago?

Personally, hanging in there...my #coronabeard is coming in nice.  News is definitely stressing me more than it was before and the prospect of not getting out for a beer or a show is starting to sink in. I have a lot of people I'm close to in high risk groups...so that has me a little stressed out too

works been busy (I work in IT, so getting all my client's remote stuff up has been a full-time job) so been very distracted by that

Kids are starting to lose their shit tho, we are trying to limit them to only 9 hours of screen time a day and they are claiming we are running a prison.



---
DC of course got screwed by the GOP
@councilofdc
It. Was. Intentional.

From comments on the Senate floor last night, it appears that the decision to treat DC like a territory and give us $500 million, instead of treating us like a state and giving us $1.25 Billion, was deliberate.

D.C. residents pay federal taxes and there are more of us than Wyoming and Vermont -- and yet our city will receive 60% less funding than states ($500M compared to $1.25B)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 26, 2020, 12:31:48 pm
PSA - safe grocery shopping.  I don't imagine people are doing all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR25uboi-tkR3n6yy3KBYI9j7kbBFGKh4uTjfaI1HdTNafCfYFBTCsjEW2Y
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 12:37:13 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/NVN829R/my-corona.jpg)
The Knack Finally Does the ‘My Sharona’ Parody You’ve Been Waiting For (https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/my-sharona-the-knack-song-bye-corona.html)

actually pretty cool...lead singer has already passed, so just focused on the solo
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2020, 12:44:01 pm
I agree..support record stores..we now have quite a few good ones around


https://twitter.com/MuteUK/status/1243161803103916033?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 02:19:21 pm
broke 500,000 confirmed cases worldwide
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Also, the US is in 3rd place, but from the looks of it, we might take out Italy and china this week
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 26, 2020, 02:56:05 pm
broke 500,000 confirmed cases worldwide
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Also, the US is in 3rd place, but from the looks of it, we might take out Italy and china this week

That's about in in every 15,000 human beings on Earth.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 04:20:04 pm
broke 500,000 confirmed cases worldwide
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Also, the US is in 3rd place, but from the looks of it, we might take out Italy and china this week

That's about in in every 15,000 human beings on Earth.
well, lets be clear that is just confirmed cases and we know that millions haven't been tested that surely are infected
also do we really trust China's (or even the US) numbers

Also you could have just said its 0.006% of the world pop
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 26, 2020, 04:45:33 pm
We've moved past Italy and are set to pass China for #1 before the end of the day.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 04:55:11 pm
We've moved past Italy and are set to pass China for #1 before the end of the day.
USA USA USA!
althoug I just checked and Italy took back second and is up by about 500 people

Come on people, get tested, we can win this thing!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 26, 2020, 05:06:17 pm
We've moved past Italy and are set to pass China for #1 before the end of the day.
USA USA USA!
althoug I just checked and Italy took back second and is up by about 500 people

Come on people, get tested, we can win this thing!

Ahead by a nose?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 05:07:08 pm
#1 BABY!

Amichai Stein
@AmichaiStein1
#BREAKING: USA is now the #1 country that has the most COVID-19 cases. The US reached 81,999 cases across the country, surpassing China and Italy.


what's your source Mr Stein...if that is your real name

looks like this might be
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 05:59:00 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91074407_3137152699654968_2190766357019099136_n.png?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=nnHNPXhCxrUAX_A_CqF&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=4fb2be65dfe4f1b712d8790d2c423713&oe=5EA36D87)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 26, 2020, 06:18:00 pm
I don’t know...33,000 so far...not sure 100k by Mondayis really gonna happen

yup, didn't hit 100k... i think we're at 50k'ish, numbers are lower ("only" 46k) on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) because they define a day as london time (GMT+0), but we continued to report cases during our day...

... but regardless, the US now has the third most cases in the world (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)!  we've beaten spain and are gaining on italy - the silver is ours!

U - S - A ! ! !   U - S - A!!!   U - S - A!!!

WE'RE NUMBER ONE!  WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!! (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries) 

there are no limits when you believe in yourself*!!!

(*and by "believe in yourself", i'm talking about trump - he clearly believed in himself and his ability to PR his way outta this one, and this is where it got us...)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 26, 2020, 06:24:47 pm
my #coronabeard is coming in nice.

nice, i hadn't bothered to check if "coronabeard" is a thing, but that's what i've been calling mine.  i grow a rather unimpressive beard, it takes weeks for it to approach respectability.  looks like i should (finally) have a full santa by the time this thing blows over... then i get to have fun torturing the missus with bad partial shaves (leaving a goatee, or mutton chops, a thin pencil 'stache, etc.)

wait - didn't the CDC say that beard should be avoided because they interfere with the proper operation of masks?  is this just another way the little guy can stick it to The Man?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 26, 2020, 06:56:37 pm
Y’all do know you can shave under quarantine, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 07:12:19 pm
then i get to have fun torturing the missus with bad partial shaves (leaving a goatee, or mutton chops, a thin pencil 'stache, etc.)
Dude...gotta go with the Zappa if you are going to do anything
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSrNkAsjnuhJQM5kItUAh2pGf32K0fPXBn4lefs_MfwsKL2k40x)
Then you can finish it off with the porn stach

Y’all do know you can shave under quarantine, right?
Some of us have to appear in front of clients regularly...so need to be all spic-n-span
But I'm doing my part, man.  Don't rain on my parade it's a rally beard

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2020, 07:33:02 pm
Having a beard supposedly makes you more prone to catching it

At least that’s what I heard
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 07:58:48 pm
Having a beard supposedly makes you more prone to catching it

At least that’s what I heard
you are just jealous  #cannotgrowcoronabeard

In good news
James Dyson designed a new ventilator in 10 days. He's making 15,000 for the pandemic fight (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/tech/dyson-ventilators-coronavirus/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2020, 08:03:29 pm
I think beards are soooo ugly...also itchy

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2020, 08:13:15 pm
I think beards are soooo ugly...also itchy
better not say that in the beer thread
and...how would you know?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2020, 08:15:36 pm
Every year I try to grow one for five days or so
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 07:57:35 am
Boris Johnson tests positive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 27, 2020, 08:16:39 am
Boris Johnson tests positive
You hate to see it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 08:17:26 am
So did anyone figure out what Germany is doing right? Over 40,000 cases with 250 deaths


Is it possible there are multiple strains with very different fatality rates?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 27, 2020, 09:17:47 am
Boris Johnson tests positive

Oh man, I just saw the news story, and he's really not looking good.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 27, 2020, 09:23:52 am
Boris Johnson tests positive

Oh man, I just saw the news story, and he's really not looking good.
And now he has COVID-19 on top of that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 27, 2020, 09:34:17 am
Boris Johnson tests positive

Oh man, I just saw the news story, and he's really not looking good.

Not to knock a sick guy, but does he ever look good?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 27, 2020, 09:38:25 am
I just got yelled at for not noticing/cleaning up the evening mess my daughter left while I was making my cereal this morning. And I apparently didn't correctly put away the pots I used to make dinner after cleaning them last night,

So I'm basically a failure of a husband.

When do I get to go back to the office?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 10:02:20 am
Michael Rubin@MichaelGRubin
Woke up in the middle of the night last week with idea of converting our @Fanatics factory in PA that makes official @MLB jerseys into a facility that makes much needed masks and gowns and then donating  them to help fight this horrendous virus.This past weekend PA Governor @GovernorTomWolf  and Attorney General @PAAttorneyGen  each called me saying they desperately needed help getting masks and gowns to the frontline workers across PA.

Fast forward to today – @Fanatics  and @MLB  have halted production of all MLB jerseys and instead using that same fabric we make the jerseys with to make masks and gowns!! We have approx 100 associates working (extra distanced and in a very clean and safe environment of course)and plan to make one million masks and gowns then immediately donate and distribute them to hospitals and emergency management personnel across PA with the goal of extending this to NJ and NY – the epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak in the US!!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUDxCVgXYAAajfY?format=jpg&name=small)
The pinstripes are a nice touch
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 27, 2020, 01:19:16 pm
So did anyone figure out what Germany is doing right? Over 40,000 cases with 250 deaths

Is it possible there are multiple strains with very different fatality rates?

so the official explanation is that they started testing early and often, and tested everyone - not just people showing obvious signs of infection.  they also started social isolation earlier than other countries.  per this line of thinking, they were able to shield many of the most vulnerable from getting infected (per WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate/2020/03/24/76ce18e4-6d05-11ea-a156-0048b62cdb51_story.html), NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries), etc.)

<insert conspiracy>i read somewhere that Germany is coding (listing) the cause of death differently than other countries.  in Italy, if someone has an underlying condition and dies due to a COVID complication, they are listed as a COVID death.  in Germany, that same death would be listed as caused by the underlying condition.  AKA, it's a reporting inconsistency problem.</conspiracy>
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 27, 2020, 01:35:04 pm

<insert conspiracy>i read somewhere that Germany is coding (listing) the cause of death differently than other countries.  in Italy, if someone has an underlying condition and dies due to a COVID complication, they are listed as a COVID death.  in Germany, that same death would be listed as caused by the underlying condition.  AKA, it's a reporting inconsistency problem.</conspiracy>

The only place I've read that is here. I tried searching for a source but Google is being an asshole about it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 27, 2020, 01:36:56 pm
House passes bill to stimulate America.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 01:39:45 pm
House passes bill to stimulate America.
oh my, feeling it already
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 27, 2020, 01:42:48 pm
(https://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20200327&t=2&i=1508970051&r=LYNXMPEG2Q0XA&w=2560)

Condom shortage looms after coronavirus lockdown shuts world's top producer (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-malaysia-karex-idUKKBN21E1PK?taid=5e7e3a3c5ef3770001784dc6&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 27, 2020, 01:56:15 pm
So did anyone figure out what Germany is doing right? Over 40,000 cases with 250 deaths

Is it possible there are multiple strains with very different fatality rates?

so the official explanation is that they started testing early and often, and tested everyone - not just people showing obvious signs of infection.  they also started social isolation earlier than other countries.  per this line of thinking, they were able to shield many of the most vulnerable from getting infected (per WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate/2020/03/24/76ce18e4-6d05-11ea-a156-0048b62cdb51_story.html), NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries), etc.)

<insert conspiracy>i read somewhere that Germany is coding (listing) the cause of death differently than other countries.  in Italy, if someone has an underlying condition and dies due to a COVID complication, they are listed as a COVID death.  in Germany, that same death would be listed as caused by the underlying condition.  AKA, it's a reporting inconsistency problem.</conspiracy>

Lily posted that *conspiracy* here earlier this week. It actually makes a lot of sense to me. Certain as much sense as the official party line.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 27, 2020, 03:10:29 pm
Here's a conundrum we're currently facing.

Tuition for our daughter's pre School is due 4/1 for a total of approximately $1,000.

Said school has been closed the past two weeks and plans to have "virtual" circle time starting next week to engage with children who are 3 years old three times a week.

We were obviously given the whole spiel about keeping the school afloat, paying teachers, blah blah.

However, my family's income is impacted, we're taking care of our children all day, etc .
I personally don't feel obligated to pay.

What does everyone think? I know at least one guy that will take my skde.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 03:15:28 pm
Absolutely not obligated to pay!

I would let it go

The only issue might be if they blackball you from enrolling in said school in future...if you care
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 27, 2020, 03:18:25 pm
Could the mortality rate be quite a bit lower than the initially stated 3%?

Meanwhile in Germany, anyone who shows flu-like symptoms and has in the past 14 days come into contact with a confirmed case, or traveled to a high-risk region, gets tested, according to official guidelines published by the health ministry. According to JHU, more than 41,519 people there have tested positive as of Thursday, with just 239 deaths.

And in South Korea, there is free and easy access to testing for anyone whom a doctor deems needs it, and authorities have been tracing the contacts of infected patients. As of Wednesday, the country had 9,241 cases and 131 deaths, according to JHU.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/health/number-of-cases-testing-data-intl/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 27, 2020, 03:18:29 pm
Absolutely not obligated to pay!

I would let it go

The only issue might be if they blackball you from enrolling in said school in future...if you care

Yeah... Have considered this and truthfully couldn't give a shit. My wife on the other hand.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 03:24:57 pm
Would one even want one’s  kid in a school when the school made a stink about one having to trim the family budget during a pandemic?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 27, 2020, 03:25:25 pm
DTMFA Yada.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 27, 2020, 03:26:01 pm
Would one even want one’s  kid in a school when the school made a stink about one having to trim the family budget during a pandemic?

This. Though I'm not sure that is what they are doing?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 27, 2020, 03:32:55 pm
Would one even want one’s  kid in a school when the school made a stink about one having to trim the family budget during a pandemic?

Well, it would be interesting to see if other schools are requesting this. Obviously, all schools are different and payment periods are different. This school happens to do it five times a year and had the unfortunate circumstance that it fell during these times where many schools you may have already paid for your kids... Will those schools give refunds, who knows?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 03:42:28 pm
Ok but they made the rules on payment!


Asking for a refund is a whole different enchilada
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 03:43:39 pm
Yada...it's kind of a crappy situation.  But you gotta do what works for your family
They really shouldn't be charging full tuition for 'virtual circle' time tho

they certainly are going to have to let go staff if parents don't pay.
I'd imagine this could put a small preschool out of business to

far as I know, no one is issuing refunds for the rest of the school year
and you many contractually be on the hook for the balance of payments too

This is kind of an 'act of god' situation, not really the schools' fault or negligence
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 03:50:56 pm
Look at the little schoolmaster
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 27, 2020, 03:56:10 pm
I appreciate the feedback from both sides of the aisle! I'd hate to see it go out of business, however, it's a "church" preschool which I'm sure has buckets of money behind it in a pinch and based on location and the majority of the pricks that send their kids there.

I would definitely feel bad for a teacher getting laid off, but I also feel bad for myself!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 27, 2020, 04:00:33 pm
No kids so that takes an emotional element out for me. Really comes down to “do you have the money and want to see this school succeed”? Sounds like your income has been impacted. Mine and my wife’s have not just as a result of the fields we work in — we’ve upped donations to some charitable things and asked for refunds on cancelled things to go stay with the orgs.

Yours is a totally different case. If this puts a strain on your finances and the mission of this particular preschool is not a top priority in your life - I definitely don’t think you’re in the wrong to pull her out.

There are so many organizations feeling the pinch right now and it’s great to want to help keep everyone afloat but people shouldn’t do it at the expense of their own reserves. Don’t really think there’s a wrong decision here, Yada.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 27, 2020, 04:04:34 pm
No kids so that takes an emotional element out for me. Really comes down to “do you have the money and want to see this school succeed”? Sounds like your income has been impacted. Mine and my wife’s have not just as a result of the fields we work in — we’ve upped donations to some charitable things and asked for refunds on cancelled things to go stay with the orgs.

Yours is a totally different case. If this puts a strain on your finances and the mission of this particular preschool is not a top priority in your life - I definitely don’t think you’re in the wrong to pull her out.

There are so many organizations feeling the pinch right now and it’s great to want to help keep everyone afloat but people shouldn’t do it at the expense of their own reserves. Don’t really think there’s a wrong decision here, Yada.

Gracious words Jules... We haven't been financially impacted...............yet. But I think it will come. It's more the fact that I just think it's bologna to ask me for a grand when I'm schooling my daughter at home and they pull the heartstrings narrative when in fact, I think the school is just fine. I think I've made my decision, now to take it to the wife!

edit: I realize my OG post said we've been impacted, that's not the case.... yet. But I'm doing the work they're asking me to pay for. Anyway, beating a dead horse now!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 27, 2020, 04:20:05 pm
Epidemiologists have to alter their models because Trump is a lying ass bitch (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-models-politized-trump/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 27, 2020, 04:45:41 pm
Virginia Pastor Who Said Coronavirus Was Anti-Trump “Hysteria” Dies From Virus (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/atheism-secularism/virginia-pastor-who-said-coronavirus-was-anti-trump-hysteria-dies-from-virus-6OlmIzj2eUe-5X39utr-cw?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR1CgUBurf0achW-gPExeAtq6uB1XyK9Y8b1ltSBNFTik5puwpo5UeFBbuU)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 06:06:07 pm
Yay! Over 100,000!!

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 27, 2020, 06:39:39 pm
Yay! Over 100,000!!

i was off by 4 days... mea culpa.

almost 16k cases in one day.  insane.


edit: now over 16k today.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 27, 2020, 07:37:50 pm
hey julian: according to trump, michigan doesn't matter

"I say Mike (Pence), don't call the governor of Washington, you're wasting your time with him. Don't call the woman in Michigan. Doesn't make any difference what happens. You know what I say, if they don't treat you right, I don't call. He's a different type of person. He will call quietly anyway, okay. But he's done a great job. He should be appreciated for the job he's done."
- Trump (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_5b74790df355ca229866f3e35dd8f4a6)

nevermind that detroit is projected to be one of the next epicenters...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 08:08:00 pm
But this is a bit surprising as MI does matter to Trump’s chances as opposed to NY, CA, WA, NJ

Maybe he forgot? I doubt it....Weird
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 08:14:16 pm
and he's blasting general motors too...there are lots of manufacturers out there, why pick one to go hardball with on twitter?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 08:31:17 pm
It sounds like the bill is just spreading a lot of money around... a lot of it for pointless stuff...disappointing

The goal should not be to waste a ton of money

I guess you could argue give the Kennedy Center money and a lot of it will end up being paid to people but...they book shows so get kind of a subsidy

It’s all a clusterfuck I guess
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUH6rAWXQAA6He6?format=jpg&name=small)]
I will start off this was compiled by some asshat who hates the libs so hard he'd die to prove trump right

I support most of these things and some of them I could see staying, but coming under the umbrella of another relief program
and yes it's only 1% of the bill...but is still 2.3bil, not exactly chump change
but that it was in the bill...disappointing is really too kind
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 09:05:59 pm
this reminds me of when hutch and julian started getting along
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUIO_lgWoAMmu_j?format=png&name=small)
these are real posts...these are crazy times, I don't think we'll look back and laugh...but will cry
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 27, 2020, 09:11:34 pm
It sounds like the bill is just spreading a lot of money around... a lot of it for pointless stuff...disappointing

The goal should not be to waste a ton of money

I guess you could argue give the Kennedy Center money and a lot of it will end up being paid to people but...they book shows so get kind of a subsidy

It’s all a clusterfuck I guess
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUH6rAWXQAA6He6?format=jpg&name=small)]
I will start off this was compiled by some asshat who hates the libs so hard he'd die to prove trump right

I support most of these things and some of them I could see staying, but coming under the umbrella of another relief program
and yes it's only 1% of the bill...but is still 2.3bil, not exactly chump change
but that it was in the bill...disappointing is really too kind

.1%
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 27, 2020, 09:12:54 pm
this reminds me of when hutch and julian started getting along
If you mean, once again, America needs leadership and Julian is showing you all the way, then yes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 09:15:39 pm
.1%
ok that was a little embarrassing...but even .1% and still $2.3bill..does it need to be in there to be the headline of every alt-right site
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 27, 2020, 09:15:55 pm
It sounds like the bill is just spreading a lot of money around... a lot of it for pointless stuff...disappointing

The goal should not be to waste a ton of money

I guess you could argue give the Kennedy Center money and a lot of it will end up being paid to people but...they book shows so get kind of a subsidy

It’s all a clusterfuck I guess
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUH6rAWXQAA6He6?format=jpg&name=small)]
I will start off this was compiled by some asshat who hates the libs so hard he'd die to prove trump right

I support most of these things and some of them I could see staying, but coming under the umbrella of another relief program
and yes it's only 1% of the bill...but is still 2.3bil, not exactly chump change
but that it was in the bill...disappointing is really too kind

.1%
Of which half is Amtrak which is de facto infrastructure.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 27, 2020, 09:31:54 pm
Could there be any worse news than this?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0VWjJm_GA2y86VBZ3ZETF9cG5UqCFiQzDlbWtVVB-pjhcKjpeEVvPRPl8&fbclid=IwAR2LmpNQllpy92laO0J8xeBkAbp-BGH73jxpfiPzKZRtJlHDJdZJ-oA8YBg&fbclid=IwAR3BDNGaEMsLe88CPAOW1cvlYHyj5sIgAYdM9Zcs6-SqC_7BnKf4bZHy-j0&fbclid=IwAR3PiFWAvO1tds5jIkySy5yCJaTFdlBJ2gvvEMCTaeZ9948ayJsPwqeaOjM
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 27, 2020, 09:33:18 pm
Well, I've seen better formatted links.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 09:36:14 pm
Well, I've seen better formatted links.
go big or go home
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 27, 2020, 09:40:22 pm
Well, I've seen better formatted links.

If only Relaxer still worked there.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 09:46:29 pm
I was going to say the same thing about Amtrak


The real money waste I think is going to be the hundreds of billions going to corporations
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 09:52:21 pm
I kind of think if there had been no Kennedy center type stuff in the bill the alt right would just make something up and their base would believe it


They do this all the time and it works

When did it start? Speaking of Kerry when he got swiftboated in 2004 that was pretty low

I don’t know anymore...it’s been pretty sobering to see Trump’s approval go up...I think things are in flux but...still
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 10:01:36 pm
402 Americans died from covid today so far...that’s a lot...

In a few days we might be at a thousand ...I hope not

Will people think this is not Trump’s fault  and he’s doing the best he can while he does almost nothing to help? When he did nothing to prepare? That things should go back to normal and kind of let’s block this shit out? Will the media not focus on the rising death count? Don’t want people too upset

Maybe the attitude on the part of many Americans will be: they told us millions of us would die and it was only a few thousand so Trump did great


I am at a loss here...I still believe he will lose handily in November but



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 27, 2020, 10:10:43 pm
I mean no country in the world seems to have had a steeper curve..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 27, 2020, 11:36:21 pm
But this is a bit surprising as MI does matter to Trump’s chances as opposed to NY, CA, WA, NJ

Maybe he forgot? I doubt it....Weird
He is doubling down on a popular mayor (she won by 10 points in 2018) in a state he needs....gotta be a reason (although he always needs an enemy)
I love Michigan, one of the reasons we are doing such a GREAT job for them during this horrible Pandemic. Yet your Governor, Gretchen “Half” Whitmer is way in over her head, she doesn’t have a clue. Likes blaming everyone for her own ineptitude! #MAGA

although...that is a pretty good nickname
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 27, 2020, 11:43:43 pm
But this is a bit surprising as MI does matter to Trump’s chances as opposed to NY, CA, WA, NJ

Maybe he forgot? I doubt it....Weird
He is doubling down on a popular mayor in a state he needs....gotta be a reason (although he always needs an enemy)
I love Michigan, one of the reasons we are doing such a GREAT job for them during this horrible Pandemic. Yet your Governor, Gretchen “Half” Whitmer is way in over her head, she doesn’t have a clue. Likes blaming everyone for her own ineptitude! #MAGA

although...that is a pretty good nickname
Yeah, I’ll give him that. That’s smart. John Kerry’s clever turn of phrase must have awoken some verbal flourish in our POTUS.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 28, 2020, 01:09:21 am
The real money waste I think is going to be the hundreds of billions going to corporations

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN, LOOK AT THE SHINY CONSPIRACY THEORY OVER THERE
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 28, 2020, 01:18:17 am
Well, I've seen better formatted links.

seriously, people, trim the fat off your links.  please.

here's a trick: look for a question mark in the URL.  there is a very good chance that everything after the question mark can be dropped.  let's take Space's butt-ugly link above:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0VWjJm_GA2y86VBZ3ZETF9cG5UqCFiQzDlbWtVVB-pjhcKjpeEVvPRPl8&fbclid=IwAR2LmpNQllpy92laO0J8xeBkAbp-BGH73jxpfiPzKZRtJlHDJdZJ-oA8YBg&fbclid=IwAR3BDNGaEMsLe88CPAOW1cvlYHyj5sIgAYdM9Zcs6-SqC_7BnKf4bZHy-j0&fbclid=IwAR3PiFWAvO1tds5jIkySy5yCJaTFdlBJ2gvvEMCTaeZ9948ayJsPwqeaOjM (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0VWjJm_GA2y86VBZ3ZETF9cG5UqCFiQzDlbWtVVB-pjhcKjpeEVvPRPl8&fbclid=IwAR2LmpNQllpy92laO0J8xeBkAbp-BGH73jxpfiPzKZRtJlHDJdZJ-oA8YBg&fbclid=IwAR3BDNGaEMsLe88CPAOW1cvlYHyj5sIgAYdM9Zcs6-SqC_7BnKf4bZHy-j0&fbclid=IwAR3PiFWAvO1tds5jIkySy5yCJaTFdlBJ2gvvEMCTaeZ9948ayJsPwqeaOjM)

right after the word "positive" is a question mark - let's delete everything after it and see if the link still works:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive)

boom!

"?utm" and "?fbclid" are always candidates for removal.  just test the trimmed link first, if it doesn't work then put the gobbledygook back.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 28, 2020, 09:48:18 am
Well, I've seen better formatted links.

seriously, people, trim the fat off your links.  please.


I mean,  this is forum.930.com, people. We have standards.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 28, 2020, 11:56:52 am
‼ LAST DAY‼ to  have your gift card purchase be MATCHED to support our employees, artists and venues! Thank you so much to everyone who has already shown your support. It means the world to us and our team 💗 https://t.co/Sow5ydkTxM
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 28, 2020, 12:36:31 pm
‼ LAST DAY‼ to  have your gift card purchase be MATCHED to support our employees, artists and venues! Thank you so much to everyone who has already shown your support. It means the world to us and our team 💗 https://t.co/Sow5ydkTxM
I hope all of you who use this board consider getting something
either the gift card or donating directly to the family fund...
I picked up two (bought when first announced and got another one yesterday)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 28, 2020, 01:01:13 pm
these number are skyrocketing
I think just yesterday we were talking at breaking 1000 us deaths since this started
I just checked and we're almost at 1900
world wide is almost at 30K
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 28, 2020, 01:09:55 pm
Yup New York City has turned into a nightmare

Quarantine order coming in a few hours
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 28, 2020, 02:56:32 pm
Quarantine order apparently not coming


Not legal
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 28, 2020, 08:53:52 pm
IRS Coronavirus Tax Relief page (https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 28, 2020, 09:11:43 pm
Quarantine order apparently not coming


Not legal

What exactly did it entail and why is it not legal? I know, I could probably just read it online, but I have to kick my wife and daughter's asses in Boggle for the sixth day in a row.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 28, 2020, 09:12:44 pm
Oh damn! Boggle throwdown!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 28, 2020, 10:51:19 pm
Oh damn! Boggle throwdown!!

I won, though my daughter impressively had a six letter word double scored.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 28, 2020, 11:12:07 pm
Y'all need to be wearing masks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/28/masks-all-coronavirus/

 https://youtu.be/mkvecTCPPQs 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 28, 2020, 11:22:07 pm
bleak news from carroll county, maryland - nursing home, 66 positive for the cirus, 11 ill so far.

   https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/03/28/governor-hogan-statement-regarding-outbreak-at-carroll-county-long-term-care-facility-doubling-of-covid-19-death-toll-in-maryland/         (https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/03/28/governor-hogan-statement-regarding-outbreak-at-carroll-county-long-term-care-facility-doubling-of-covid-19-death-toll-in-maryland/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 29, 2020, 11:18:26 am
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KUDXW7AWVVGGRFRJAQVAXLOKJM.png&w=1440)

DUMBFUCK (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/03/29/coronavirus-dc-maryland-virginia-updates/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#link-NLLW6RNUCNCU3EQS3CKJURG52M)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 29, 2020, 04:30:42 pm
(https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/canada/2020/03/27/subway-shop-owner-tries-to-explain-coronavirus-medical-mask-promotion-amid-outrage-were-just-struggling/_1_subway.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 29, 2020, 05:50:22 pm
Not sounding great for John Prine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 29, 2020, 05:52:16 pm
Oh no!

He is a national treasure
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 29, 2020, 06:19:58 pm
If you are hearing about #covid19 “reinfections” in Asia, I can offer you my take as a virologist. The best explanation for what we’re seeing is likely due to three things...

https://twitter.com/PeterKolchinsky/status/1244029896453754880
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 29, 2020, 06:44:18 pm
If you are hearing about #covid19 “reinfections” in Asia, I can offer you my take as a virologist. The best explanation for what we’re seeing is likely due to three things...

https://twitter.com/PeterKolchinsky/status/1244029896453754880

It's just one guy, but best thing I've read all day. Thanks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 29, 2020, 07:04:41 pm
How Exercise May Affect Your Immunity (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/well/move/exercise-immunity-infection-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 30, 2020, 09:07:45 am
3.75 :-\
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2020, 09:38:36 am
3.75 :-\

Hang in there man, shit is going to get better.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2020, 10:41:01 am
thought this was a great gif on Axios about America waiting it out
(https://images.axios.com/szfTKbdr71WES8jgFM8C37EYghg=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2020/03/30/1585561161095.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2020, 11:00:46 am
So “3.75” means Yada is not doing so great?

You should see me trying to help my kid with the million apps he needs to do this virtual classroom...I want to scream

My younger kid is dyslexic so this closing of schools is just awful for us..my other kid on autism spectrum so the lack of socializing implied by social distancing is not good...and they were both doing so well at school

But am still not willing to say let’s kill the old and weak

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 30, 2020, 11:07:14 am
Md. Gov. Larry Hogan issues ‘stay at home’ order  (https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2020/03/coronavirus-updates-dc-maryland-virginia-march-30/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2020, 11:12:00 am
Should have been ordered for entire country weeks ago


We are so slow to accept reality
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2020, 11:34:08 am
Md. Gov. Larry Hogan issues ‘stay at home’ order  (https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2020/03/coronavirus-updates-dc-maryland-virginia-march-30/)

It will be interesting to see if keeping people indoors really helps at all. I personally hope that they don't put this into effect in VA.


https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-q-a-part-3-is-hiking-ok-is-my-newspaper-infected-what-about-sex/

Q: How do I limit my exposure while hiking outside? When passing people heading in the opposite direction on a narrow trail, is there a risk of contracting the virus from the air, or in the air on the trail that they came from? What keeps me from from picking up their viral spray?
A: Outdoors on the trail, where there’s a breeze, the virus will probably be quickly killed by ultraviolet light from the sunlight. If a person is coughing and passes closely, it’s potentially possible that the virus could be transmitted. But the risk is exceedingly small.
In still air, the virus can remain suspended for up to about three hours. So if you walk into a room after somebody has been coughing, it’s possible that you can get infected droplets that are suspended in the air. But outdoors, I think it’s highly unlikely.
In hospitals, we consider a risk of substantial exposure somebody who has been within six feet for four minutes.
Dr. Lee Riley, professor and chair of Infectious Diseases and Vaccinology at UC Berkeley School of Public
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2020, 11:37:18 am
2pm major announcement from Governor of VA
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 30, 2020, 12:07:51 pm
OMG Hungary
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2020, 12:09:49 pm
OMG Hungary

Was just going to post this. Is it worth giving up our Democracy to save sick old people?

Hungarian Parliament passes bill that gives PM Orbán unlimited power & proclaims:

 - State of emergency w/o time limit
 - Rule by decree
 - Parliament suspended
 - No elections
 - Spreading fake news + rumors: up to 5 yrs in prison
 - Leaving quarantine: up to 8 yrs in prison

https://twitter.com/balazscseko/status/1244612142831198209
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2020, 12:19:11 pm
OMG Hungary

coincidentally, now trump is now taking the coronavirus quite seriously....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2020, 01:22:17 pm
Not sounding great for John Prine.

Update, from his wife:

https://twitter.com/FionaPrine/status/1244655527554138115
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 30, 2020, 02:23:36 pm
Not sounding great for John Prine.

Update, from his wife:

https://twitter.com/FionaPrine/status/1244655527554138115
In other words “sounding better for John Prine”.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2020, 02:26:36 pm
Just annonced
Rep. Don Beyer @RepDonBeyer
NEW: Governor Northam just issued a mandatory stay-at-home order.

The order is effective today and says that Virginia residents must not leave their homes unless it’s for an essential purpose.

“Do not go out unless you need to go out.” — @GovernorVA



NBCWashington@nbcwashington
A stay at home order is issued for Virginians by @GovernorVA  effective today, following similar action in Maryland. Residents should not leave their homes unless it’s for essential purposes. The order is place until June 10, 2020.



Saw someone post this RE MD stay at home orders
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91482355_3431998293493281_7396548740208656384_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=DvRSkW7j5xUAX8MCWNf&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=04e57b84b0a229405be5baa7837ac390&oe=5EA866D9)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2020, 03:02:44 pm
June 10?

Couldn’t they go month to month to give    us hope?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2020, 03:32:17 pm
June 10?

Couldn’t they go month to month to give    us hope?
I know the math is odd on that NBC tweet
30 days is April 30th
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2020, 03:42:35 pm
in case anyone need a covid funny:

https://www.facebook.com/enidrevhoy/videos/10158459445016803/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2020, 03:56:58 pm
Liberty University student tests positive for Covid-19 after Falwell reopens campus  (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/liberty-university-coronavirus-student-positive-jerry-falwell-jr)
I don't think Karma wears a MAGA hat
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2020, 04:39:35 pm
Liberty University student tests positive for Covid-19 after Falwell reopens campus  (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/liberty-university-coronavirus-student-positive-jerry-falwell-jr)
I don't think Karma wears a MAGA hat

oh it does - ironically. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Got Haggis? on March 30, 2020, 04:50:25 pm
the maryland state at home order (which is pretty much what we have already been doing) expires when the state of emergency expires..so no date. 

likely july or august

economy is fucked.  30% unemployment almost certainly.  At what point will society start to collapse?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2020, 05:13:39 pm
economy is fucked.  30% unemployment almost certainly.  At what point will society start to collapse?

we have a choice: economic collapse with most of the population healthy; vs. economic collapse with most of the population sick (and a very high number dead). 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 30, 2020, 05:43:17 pm
It's unanimous: stay home, DMV  (https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/dc-mayor-follows-suit-issues-stay-at-home-order/2258676/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 30, 2020, 06:43:25 pm
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5e825e092200005b31b3afd0.png?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)

In Move Likely Aimed At Liberty University, On-Campus Teaching Halted In Virginia (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/in-move-likely-aimed-at-liberty-university-on-campus-teaching-halted-in-virginia_n_5e8250dcc5b6d38d98a305e5)

That building couldn't possibly be any uglier.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2020, 08:19:33 pm
This sucks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 31, 2020, 08:53:22 am
7.125

Things are looking up friends.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 08:55:24 am
7.125

Things are looking up friends.
Did you get your beer delivery??
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 31, 2020, 08:57:13 am
7.125

Things are looking up friends.
Did you get your beer delivery??

To be honest, bender style drinking is probably why I felt like I did yesterday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 31, 2020, 09:35:42 am
This is going to take such a heavy toll on people

You have to wonder if there isn’t a middle ground - once we flatten the damn curve- between killing Grandpa and shutting down the economy almost entirely

I hope there are a lot of people studying alternative ways of organizing society because 30-50% unemployment doesn’t seem tenable for months..and government can’t just print money forever...

As far as concerts...I could see big concerts being out for a real real long time

Obviously if warmer temperatures would stop this virus that would be huge as it would buy the northern hemisphere a few months to get a response together to this unprecedented crisis...developing a vaccine and treatments while increasing our medical preparedness is paramount

If this where to go on like this for many months a lot more jobs would be at stake and we would all be fucked

I think the current response is necessary because we are caught flat footed and shocked but this cannot be the entirety of it

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 09:39:31 am
in case anyone need a covid funny:

Coronavirus silver-linings:

Jack Black is now on Tik Tok...
https://youtu.be/Oq5Ncn-E8uI
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 31, 2020, 10:06:59 am
This is going to take such a heavy toll on people

You have to wonder if there isn’t a middle ground - once we flatten the damn curve- between killing Grandpa and shutting down the economy almost entirely

I hope there are a lot of people studying alternative ways of organizing society because 30-50% unemployment doesn’t seem tenable for months..and government can’t just print money forever...


As far as concerts...I could see big concerts being out for a real real long time

Obviously if warmer temperatures would stop this virus that would be huge as it would buy the northern hemisphere a few months to get a response together to this unprecedented crisis...developing a vaccine and treatments while increasing our medical preparedness is paramount

If this where to go on like this for many months a lot more jobs would be at stake and we would all be fucked

I think the current response is necessary because we are caught flat footed and shocked but this cannot be the entirety of it

I just want to apologize for any poor choice in words I may have used to get my point across the other day, but what I bolded above is basically where I was mentally at, and still am.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 31, 2020, 10:08:21 am
Fountains of Wayne founder on ventilator due to Covid.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/fountains-of-wayne-adam-schlesinger-hospital-coronavirus-975653/       (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/fountains-of-wayne-adam-schlesinger-hospital-coronavirus-975653/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 31, 2020, 10:15:11 am
Yeah I can understand that, Space


It’s a stressful and frightening time for sure

I have read a few things we might do like isolating more vulnerable people while opening things up

I just hope there are a lot of better educated people looking into this cause it’s way above my pay grade

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 31, 2020, 10:17:38 am
Fountains of Wayne founder on ventilator due to Covid.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/fountains-of-wayne-adam-schlesinger-hospital-coronavirus-975653/       (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/fountains-of-wayne-adam-schlesinger-hospital-coronavirus-975653/)

Oh no was just at record store and they were playing Ivy which I love

Only things I haven’t cut out yet are grocery store, post office and local record store
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 31, 2020, 10:29:06 am
Fountains of Wayne founder on ventilator due to Covid.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/fountains-of-wayne-adam-schlesinger-hospital-coronavirus-975653/       (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/fountains-of-wayne-adam-schlesinger-hospital-coronavirus-975653/)

Oh no was just at record store and they were playing Ivy which I love

Only things I haven’t cut out yet are grocery store, post office and local record store

That's terrible news about Adam. Big fan of both of his bands.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 31, 2020, 10:57:12 am
Yep, saw this one coming. Shame on them for not recommending it from the get-go.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/cdc-considering-recommending-general-public-wear-face-coverings-in-public/2020/03/30/6a3e495c-7280-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html?itid=hp_hp-banner-main_virusmasks-915pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 11:47:00 am
this sounds like good news...
BREAKING: The FDA has issued an emergency approval for a testing kit than can detect coronavirus in two minutes.
https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavirus-two-minute-testing-kit-bodysphere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html

We've got to test as many as possible

Edit...important note
Yes, but: These rapid tests can only detect the coronavirus in people who have had the infection for several days, meaning the test can't be used too early on when the body hasn't produced enough antibodies.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 31, 2020, 11:58:40 am
Cuomo tests positive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 12:03:12 pm
Cuomo tests positive
the anchor, not Gov
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 31, 2020, 01:18:09 pm
What if four of us did one of those virtual Happy Hours where we do the Zaireeka multiple boom box thing 2020-style on Zoom? Would this be awesome or would the board fold in on itself from the META?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 31, 2020, 01:24:46 pm
Ooooh if we get 9, we could do Brady Bunch"!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 31, 2020, 01:29:53 pm
Ooooh if we get 9, we could do Brady Bunch"!
Yada would be upset when we made him the maid.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 01:35:16 pm
Naturally, We Now Have a Cottage Industry of Coronavirus Truther Assholes (https://www.thedailybeast.com/naturally-we-now-have-a-cottage-industry-of-coronavirus-truther-assholes)

Over the weekend, a growing number of pro-Trump personalities decided that the way to prove that the media was overhyping the pandemic was to film places where cars and ambulances show up to drop patients off. If the entrances were quiet and the parking lots mostly empty, they claimed, that was proof that the coronavirus’ effects had been overstated. Inspired by the #FilmYourHospital hashtag


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 31, 2020, 03:30:30 pm
The winding path of Trump’s response to the virus, in his own words (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-coronavirus-statements/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 03:59:14 pm
goodness, sounds like the are using the same script from the impeachment, just changing the names
I do think there might be some value to this, but at the same time, why don't we focus on our mess and coverup

John Bolton@AmbJohnBolton
It’s very important Congress heed @SenRickScott and begin a comprehensive investigation of the @WHO  and their potential involvement in Communist China’s cover up of the coronavirus pandemic.

Quote Tweet
Rick Scott @SenRickScott
The @WHO receives millions of dollars in US taxpayer $$ and helped the Chinese Communist Party cover up a global pandemic.
Today, I'm calling for a Congressional investigation into what the WHO knew and when they knew it. Read more: http://bit.ly/SRS_WHO
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 31, 2020, 04:15:01 pm
goodness, sounds like the are using the same script from the impeachment, just changing the names
I do think there might be some value to this, but at the same time, why don't we focus on our mess and coverup

John Bolton@AmbJohnBolton
It’s very important Congress heed @SenRickScott and begin a comprehensive investigation of the @WHO  and their potential involvement in Communist China’s cover up of the coronavirus pandemic.

Quote Tweet
Rick Scott @SenRickScott
The @WHO receives millions of dollars in US taxpayer $$ and helped the Chinese Communist Party cover up a global pandemic.
Today, I'm calling for a Congressional investigation into what the WHO knew and when they knew it. Read more: http://bit.ly/SRS_WHO


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 31, 2020, 04:45:05 pm
What’s the first specialty quarter of 2020?

Not a joke.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUZGyKjXsAk_sLT?format=jpg&name=medium)
The next one has a pangolin (joke)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 31, 2020, 05:11:13 pm
Naturally, We Now Have a Cottage Industry of Coronavirus Truther Assholes (https://www.thedailybeast.com/naturally-we-now-have-a-cottage-industry-of-coronavirus-truther-assholes)

Here's what's really happening at your Brooklyn Hospital, assholes:

https://www.brooklynpaper.com/warning-disturbing-video-shows-brooklyn-hospital-staff-lifting-bodies-with-forklift/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 31, 2020, 08:32:13 pm
i realize this makes me a horrible person, but: oh please oh please oh please oh please

Russian Hospital Chief Who Met Putin Last Week Has Coronavirus (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/russian-hospital-chief-who-met-putin-last-week-has-coronavirus)

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/izbSZ8bT4Tqc/v1/800x-1.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 31, 2020, 08:39:22 pm
i realize this makes me a horrible person, but: oh please oh please oh please oh please

Russian Hospital Chief Who Met Putin Last Week Has Coronavirus (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/russian-hospital-chief-who-met-putin-last-week-has-coronavirus)

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/izbSZ8bT4Tqc/v1/800x-1.jpg)

I'll still be your friend.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 01, 2020, 08:36:19 am
It just shocks me all the handshaking these leaders keep doing
Remember that Presser with all the CEO's on the WH lawn.   Would be crazy if Trump infected all those CEOs and they brought it back to their companies/home towns
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 01, 2020, 09:42:39 am
It just shocks me all the handshaking these leaders keep doing
Remember that Presser with all the CEO's on the WH lawn.   Would be crazy if Trump infected all those CEOs and they brought it back to their companies/home towns

Given what a germaphobe Trump is, I bet his hands were very clean before shaking those CEO hands. And I bet he didn't touch his face and immediately washed his hands after the presser.

I don't think they really know how much risk a quick one second handshake with an infected person is. Compared to say, siting close to them for an extended period of time, but not touching them. I've been trying to read more about the science end of it all but there's just a world of unknown at this point.

That said, he's supposed to be a leader, and those handshakes were not following social distancing codes.

I wonder if he's still shaking hands at this point, after seeing his fat fuck friend in a coma?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 01, 2020, 10:55:56 am
goodness, sounds like the are using the same script from the impeachment, just changing the names
I do think there might be some value to this, but at the same time, why don't we focus on our mess and coverup

John Bolton@AmbJohnBolton
It’s very important Congress heed @SenRickScott and begin a comprehensive investigation of the @WHO  and their potential involvement in Communist China’s cover up of the coronavirus pandemic.

Quote Tweet
Rick Scott @SenRickScott
The @WHO receives millions of dollars in US taxpayer $$ and helped the Chinese Communist Party cover up a global pandemic.
Today, I'm calling for a Congressional investigation into what the WHO knew and when they knew it. Read more: http://bit.ly/SRS_WHO


I think this is a good idea...but let's wait until the summer.
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Informal discussions have begun on Capitol Hill about possibly creating a panel to scrutinize the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic that would be modeled on the commission that investigated the 9/11 attacks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Got Haggis? on April 01, 2020, 11:00:42 am
It just shocks me all the handshaking these leaders keep doing
Remember that Presser with all the CEO's on the WH lawn.   Would be crazy if Trump infected all those CEOs and they brought it back to their companies/home towns

Given what a germaphobe Trump is, I bet his hands were very clean before shaking those CEO hands. And I bet he didn't touch his face and immediately washed his hands after the presser.

I don't think they really know how much risk a quick one second handshake with an infected person is. Compared to say, siting close to them for an extended period of time, but not touching them. I've been trying to read more about the science end of it all but there's just a world of unknown at this point.

That said, he's supposed to be a leader, and those handshakes were not following social distancing codes.

I wonder if he's still shaking hands at this point, after seeing his fat fuck friend in a coma?

yeah it sure seems like its spread by simply breathing in the exhaled air of someone that has it - not just a cough or sneeze.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 01, 2020, 01:26:41 pm
i realize this makes me a horrible person, but: oh please oh please oh please oh please

Russian Hospital Chief Who Met Putin Last Week Has Coronavirus (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/russian-hospital-chief-who-met-putin-last-week-has-coronavirus)

I'll still be your friend.

birds of a feather... ;D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 01, 2020, 03:17:28 pm
200,000 baby!


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 01, 2020, 04:08:04 pm
A worse response than Trump's?

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/31/824611607/turkmenistan-has-banned-use-of-the-word-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 01, 2020, 04:10:03 pm
huh.  didn't think it was possible, but here we are.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 01, 2020, 04:32:43 pm
Cuomo tests positive
the anchor, not Gov
"
What did the Gov mean when he (regarding his brother) said "Thank god we found out soon and he has medicine."

What medicine was he talking about?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 01, 2020, 04:48:28 pm
I'm guessing he meant medical science.

Or y'know, "medicine"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 01, 2020, 05:06:49 pm
Cuomo tests positive
the anchor, not Gov
"
What did the Gov mean when he (regarding his brother) said "Thank god we found out soon and he has medicine."

What medicine was he talking about?
he meant Pot, he has lots and lots of Pot
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 01, 2020, 05:07:58 pm
Pot in New York? I don't think there's pot in New York.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 01, 2020, 06:48:54 pm
Pot in New York? I don't think there's pot in New York.

you've clearly never lived in NYC.  i used to have it delivered, was often faster than pizza.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on April 01, 2020, 07:01:40 pm
Gotta love that Florida is still allowing religious gatherings. Crowded churches sound totally safe
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 02, 2020, 09:46:04 am
Just amazing how this thing spreads so easily

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/albany-georgia-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 02, 2020, 11:22:20 am
Almost like a red/blue state map.

Good night, sweet prince.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/02/us/coronavirus-social-distancing.html


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on April 02, 2020, 11:49:02 am
Florida is going to get rocked and their stupid governor didn’t do anything worthwhile until yesterday because he was afraid of political ramifications instead of, I dunno, his citizens wellbeing.

Florida gonna Florida tho
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 02, 2020, 01:08:24 pm
darwin in action:

Florida religious services exempt from stay-at-home executive order (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-01-20-intl/h_b2d27eeaa15e3e082511fb168c63575d)

best comments i've seen: "Looks like God's waiting room just got an express lane."

my dad lives in florida these days.  i'm terrified for him.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 02, 2020, 01:47:10 pm
Daily death numbers for the past three days seem to be quite a bit higher than projections were on Monday. They keep adjusting them upward and we keep exceeding them. They're getting painful to watch.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 02, 2020, 02:49:45 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnqMuJXsAMJB1a?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 02, 2020, 03:33:47 pm
Man Tries to Ram Train Into US Navy Hospital Ship (https://gizmodo.com/man-tries-to-ram-train-into-u-s-navy-hospital-ship-do-1842645529)

wtf?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 02, 2020, 04:04:09 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnqMuJXsAMJB1a?format=jpg&name=small)

You beat me to it. 1fuckingmillion. closing in on 250k in US.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 02, 2020, 04:11:23 pm
Between the asymptomatic, those awaiting results, and those who can't get tested, we're probably over a million in the US already, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 02, 2020, 04:34:35 pm
Between the asymptomatic, those awaiting results, and those who can't get tested, we're probably over a million in the US already, right?
I'd say even more
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 02, 2020, 04:59:52 pm
Looks like the mask announcement is next on the docket
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 02, 2020, 05:06:13 pm
Looks like the mask announcement is next on the docket

Where do you even get some at this point or are they talking about making your own with a t-shirt?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 02, 2020, 06:15:09 pm
Oh no Louisiana

The way I figure it you could have ten cases for every positive person with a result of covid...easy


Everyone should assume they have it

When so many people have it what is the point of testing ? You are not going to test everyone every day and since you have asymptomatic people what is the point? You don’t want to test people, comes back negative and they go out...

Testing makes more sense when you are considering reopening (or before it got out of control) but at this point? If someone comes to hospital with certain symptoms you can assume they have it

(Spitballing here...not a medical professional)



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 02, 2020, 07:00:46 pm
Oh no Louisiana

The way I figure it you could have ten cases for every positive person with a result of covid...easy


Everyone should assume they have it

When so many people have it what is the point of testing ? You are not going to test everyone every day and since you have asymptomatic people what is the point? You don’t want to test people, comes back negative and they go out...

Testing makes more sense when you are considering reopening (or before it got out of control) but at this point? If someone comes to hospital with certain symptoms you can assume they have it

(Spitballing here...not a medical professional)

This thing is going to end up killing a hell of a lot of Biden voters.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 02, 2020, 07:05:48 pm
Now the key is to develop a cheap test people can do at home every day and get results in minutes

And what they call the antibody test to see if you have had it and are protected...you may not even know you have had it! I had a horrible cough a few weeks ago but think it was from over smoking or something else....but who the fuck knows?

And medical professionals need to answer definitively the question if you can be reinfected again or not
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 02, 2020, 07:54:20 pm
Looks like the mask announcement is next on the docket

Where do you even get some at this point or are they talking about making your own with a t-shirt?

putting a t-shirt or scarf over your face:
- if you're infected, it diminishes the number of viruses you exhale, and holds back most of the droplets when you cough
- assists with not touching your face (both as a physical barrier and, ideally, a constant reminder not to touch)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 02, 2020, 07:56:47 pm
When so many people have it what is the point of testing ? You are not going to test everyone every day and since you have asymptomatic people what is the point?

asymptomatic = having the virus (infected) but not showing the symptoms, such as coughing, shortness of breath, fever, etc.  HOWEVER, they still have the virus so a test will still show if they are infected. the test checks for the presence of the virus, not the presence of a fever or cough.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 02, 2020, 08:04:33 pm
This thing is going to end up killing a hell of a lot of Biden voters.

i think it's going to kill a lot more trump voters.

1) the governors who listened to trump and delayed enacting stay-at-home rules are all exclusively from pro-trump states, as far as i can tell.

2)
(https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/631231/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-age.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 02, 2020, 08:05:05 pm
Yeah so what?

Are we going to test everyone every day?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 02, 2020, 08:37:48 pm
This thing is going to end up killing a hell of a lot of Biden voters.

i think it's going to kill a lot more trump voters.

1) the governors who listened to trump and delayed enacting stay-at-home rules are all exclusively from pro-trump states, as far as i can tell.

2)
(https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/631231/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-age.jpg)

I'm talking about inner city (Detroit, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc) diabetic (and other conditions) black people, who disproportionately have existing medical conditions (and 96% of those dying have pre-existing conditions). The older white people (i.e. Trump voters), primarily live in suburbs and rural areas, where they will be able to more easily socially distance. Not saying Trump won't lose some of his flock, but a disproportionate amount of black people are going to die from this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 02, 2020, 08:39:18 pm
Yeah so what?

Are we going to test everyone every day?

You raise a good point and I haven't really seen an answer to that question.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 02, 2020, 09:04:39 pm
This thing is going to end up killing a hell of a lot of Biden voters.

i think it's going to kill a lot more trump voters.

1) the governors who listened to trump and delayed enacting stay-at-home rules are all exclusively from pro-trump states, as far as i can tell.

2)
(https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/631231/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-age.jpg)

I'm talking about inner city (Detroit, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc) diabetic (and other conditions) black people, who disproportionately have existing medical conditions (and 96% of those dying have pre-existing conditions). The older white people (i.e. Trump voters), primarily live in suburbs and rural areas, where they will be able to more easily socially distance. Not saying Trump won't lose some of his flock, but a disproportionate amount of black people are going to die from this.
Anecdotal as hell but I have several aunts and uncles who are huge Trumpers. None are socially distancing. Total survivorship bias.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2020, 07:14:27 am
Wealth is a vector (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/coronavirus-covid-cities-second-homes-rural-small-towns)
 That’s what sociologist Tressie McMillan Cottom tweeted last week, in reference to the spread of COVID-19 across both the globe and the United States. Wealth is not the cause of every concentrated outbreak dotting the United States. But it’s the common denominator of so much of its spread outside of major urban areas. It’s the reason why so many of the coronavirus hot spots in the Mountain West — Sun Valley, Idaho; Gunnison County, Colorado; Summit County, Utah; Gallatin County, Montana — overlap with winter playgrounds for the wealthy. The virus travels via people, and the people who travel the most, both domestically and internationally, are rich people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 03, 2020, 08:00:01 am
US sets record for single day covid19 deaths at at least 1169!


I think Spain has second number at 950

(China? We will never know...)


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2020, 08:03:09 am
US sets record for single day covid19 deaths at at least 1169!


I think Spain has second number at 950

(China? We will never know...)

Where are you getting your numbers? Worldometers has US at 968 yesterday, more the day before.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 03, 2020, 08:07:23 am
The Argentine newspaper

https://www.clarin.com/mundo/coronavirus-ee-uu-registro-cifra-diaria-muertos-alta-mundo-suma-6-000-victimas-fatales_0_PxijMM8Kz.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2020, 08:21:08 am
some great visualizations of the data on Covid-19

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

somewhat comforting is the Case Fatality Rate in the us (2.6) is a lot lower vs other countries in the world (avg 4.6)
but collection and accuracy of data is suspect

Important note on that graph
CFR is unreliable during an outbreak
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 03, 2020, 08:27:19 am
Comforting?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2020, 08:34:45 am
Comforting?
somewhat...in that I'm glad to hear that our medical system is helping people to recover better than the global avg, especially when we now have the most cases
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 03, 2020, 08:38:16 am
i don’t know how you can possibly conclude that....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2020, 08:43:59 am
100+ people per day die in traffic accidents in the US daily. 12,000+ are injured enough to require medical attention. That has to be way down these days, right?

More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways. The U.S. traffic fatality rate is 12.4 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. An additional 4.4 million are injured seriously enough to require medical attention. Road crashes are the leading cause of death in the U.S. for people aged 1-54.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 03, 2020, 08:51:52 am
Wealth is a vector (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/coronavirus-covid-cities-second-homes-rural-small-towns)
 That’s what sociologist Tressie McMillan Cottom tweeted last week, in reference to the spread of COVID-19 across both the globe and the United States. Wealth is not the cause of every concentrated outbreak dotting the United States. But it’s the common denominator of so much of its spread outside of major urban areas. It’s the reason why so many of the coronavirus hot spots in the Mountain West — Sun Valley, Idaho; Gunnison County, Colorado; Summit County, Utah; Gallatin County, Montana — overlap with winter playgrounds for the wealthy. The virus travels via people, and the people who travel the most, both domestically and internationally, are rich people.

Julian's America has never been more under attack.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 03, 2020, 08:53:59 am
I saw that coming...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2020, 10:48:55 am
The Feds declare gun shops an essential business.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52108162
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 03, 2020, 10:56:04 am
I saw that coming...
Please call your Congressman about sending us aide.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2020, 11:57:42 am
This thing is going to end up killing a hell of a lot of Biden voters.

i think it's going to kill a lot more trump voters.

1) the governors who listened to trump and delayed enacting stay-at-home rules are all exclusively from pro-trump states, as far as i can tell.

2)


I'm talking about inner city (Detroit, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc) diabetic (and other conditions) black people, who disproportionately have existing medical conditions (and 96% of those dying have pre-existing conditions). The older white people (i.e. Trump voters), primarily live in suburbs and rural areas, where they will be able to more easily socially distance. Not saying Trump won't lose some of his flock, but a disproportionate amount of black people are going to die from this.
Anecdotal as hell but I have several aunts and uncles who are huge Trumpers. None are socially distancing. Total survivorship bias.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/04/02/michigans-covid-19-deaths-hit-417-cases-exceed-10-700/5113221002/



Lansing — At least 40% of those killed by the novel coronavirus in Michigan so far are black, a percentage that far exceeds the proportion of African Americans in the Detroit region and state.

The first statewide release of mortality by race in Michigan, among the first in the nation, suggests that the actual percentage of blacks killed could be significantly higher — the race of nearly a third killed has yet to be disclosed.

In Michigan, just 14% of the population is black. And while the coronavirus outbreak has been centered in Metro Detroit, African Americans make up less than a quarter of the six-county metropolitan area.


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 03, 2020, 12:00:20 pm
I found the Hidden Brain podcast on the 1918 Flu situation to be informative....


   https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510308/hidden-brain         (https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510308/hidden-brain)

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2020, 12:56:28 pm
well one thing that doesn't really help since we're on lock down

gas prices
in MI, NE and OH and I'm sure a few other places are below $1 per gal!  some place had .69 cents!
(http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/main/69%20cent%20gas.JPG)

I paid $1.69 in the northern Neck VA last weekend and felt like I won the lottery
I don't think I've paid that little in over 20 years
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 03, 2020, 01:38:56 pm
Paid 1.29. Felt the need to take a photo.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 03, 2020, 01:44:02 pm
Paid 1.29. Felt the need to take a photo.

so where is it?!?  you can't TEASE us like that, post the pic already!

(oh my gawd is this what i have become?...)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2020, 01:47:19 pm
Paid 1.29. Felt the need to take a photo.

Did you remind your chauffeur to wear gloves when pumping the gas?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 03, 2020, 02:41:08 pm
(https://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20200403&t=2&i=1512010103&r=LYNXMPEG321R2&w=2560)

With no fries sold, Dutch farmers face billion kilo potato pile (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-potato-idUSKBN21L2K2?taid=5e877d3301cef40001c1632f&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 03, 2020, 05:50:47 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92226358_10222877574194697_1947630633509453824_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=7hAGT_vR7B8AX-kE5XF&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=2cb0ae095be0513b518786eda8c2eb00&oe=5EAE08A7)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 03, 2020, 06:01:21 pm
I read an article that said DC Mayor expects covid19 to peak in DC in June-July with 1000 deaths

It’s hard to imagine if that is the city’s current thinking that any concerts will take place during those months

I am not sure why venues are rescheduling postponed concerts for June as the Ottobar emailed me they are doing for Guided by Voices...just isn’t going to happen


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 03, 2020, 06:11:57 pm
I read an article that said DC Mayor expects covid19 to peak in DC in June-July with 1000 deaths

It’s hard to imagine if that is the city’s current thinking that any concerts will take place during those months

I am not sure why venues are rescheduling postponed concerts for June as the Ottobar emailed me they are doing for Guided by Voices...just isn’t going to happen
This is just me speaking and I am not an epidemiologist I just can look at the daily charts of other countries and compare to ours and where we are, and also am listening to what the experts on my company’s board are saying, and from that, I predict late-May/early-June is going to be the wind down to normalcy and I think the second that corner is turned everything will open back up.

That said, I am known to be wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2020, 06:12:06 pm
Man, I've never seen challenged in a Suit, but he sure does look dapper

I too have been surprised at the rescheduling for anything earlier than August
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 03, 2020, 06:12:45 pm
That said, I am known to be wrong.
can confirm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 03, 2020, 06:34:55 pm
Well I sure hope you are right Julian

Indeed that is encouraging
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 03, 2020, 06:50:29 pm
And to clarify my opinion, I am not saying I think we should open back up then. I just think that is when numbers will be solidly going down daily and we will open everything up ASAP because (1) we are not a people in this country that know or embrace sacrifice; we are a nation of half-measures and (2) we have a president facing reëlection that needs a functioning economy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 03, 2020, 07:45:36 pm
Nice umlaut bro
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 03, 2020, 07:56:48 pm
Nice umlaut bro
Its a diaeresis, you fucking cretin.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 03, 2020, 08:01:38 pm
TMI, man. Grab some Kaopectate and eat a prune.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 03, 2020, 08:39:11 pm
Overall, the study indicates, the economic impact of the pandemic was severe. Using state-level data, the researchers find an 18 percent drop in manufacturing output through 1923, well after the last wave of the flu hit in 1919.

Looking at the effect across 43 cities, however, the researchers found significantly different economic outcomes, linked to different social distancing policies. The best-performing cities included Oakland, California; Omaha, Nebraska; Portland, Oregon; and Seattle, which all enforced over 120 days of social distancing in 1918. Cities that instituted fewer than 60 days of social distancing in 1918, and saw manufacturing struggle afterward, include Philadelphia; St. Paul, Minnesota; and Lowell, Massachusetts.

“What we find is that areas that were more severely affected in the 1918 flu pandemic see a sharp and persistent decline in a number of measures of economic activity, including manufacturing employment, manufacturing output, bank loans, and the stock of consumer durables,” Verner says.

http://news.mit.edu/2020/pandemic-health-response-economic-recovery-0401
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 03, 2020, 11:24:12 pm
Man, I've never seen challenged in a Suit, but he sure does look dapper

I too have been surprised at the rescheduling for anything earlier than August

Thanks Hatch, I am a fine figure of a well respected man about town
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 04, 2020, 12:41:00 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUsb-imXgAAbv93.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2020, 08:55:19 am
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 04, 2020, 09:19:10 am
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o
The daily show has really been finding its stride as of late

What is most powerful about that is they list the dates
Will be lost on their audiences, but I would imagine this will be powerful with those elusive swing voters
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2020, 09:47:25 am
That video is mandatory

Everyone should watch it

When Biden wins we need a new regulatory regime for media
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2020, 12:24:52 pm
This thing is going to end up killing a hell of a lot of Biden voters.

i think it's going to kill a lot more trump voters.

1) the governors who listened to trump and delayed enacting stay-at-home rules are all exclusively from pro-trump states, as far as i can tell.

2)


I'm talking about inner city (Detroit, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc) diabetic (and other conditions) black people, who disproportionately have existing medical conditions (and 96% of those dying have pre-existing conditions). The older white people (i.e. Trump voters), primarily live in suburbs and rural areas, where they will be able to more easily socially distance. Not saying Trump won't lose some of his flock, but a disproportionate amount of black people are going to die from this.
Anecdotal as hell but I have several aunts and uncles who are huge Trumpers. None are socially distancing. Total survivorship bias.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/04/02/michigans-covid-19-deaths-hit-417-cases-exceed-10-700/5113221002/



Lansing — At least 40% of those killed by the novel coronavirus in Michigan so far are black, a percentage that far exceeds the proportion of African Americans in the Detroit region and state.

The first statewide release of mortality by race in Michigan, among the first in the nation, suggests that the actual percentage of blacks killed could be significantly higher — the race of nearly a third killed has yet to be disclosed.

In Michigan, just 14% of the population is black. And while the coronavirus outbreak has been centered in Metro Detroit, African Americans make up less than a quarter of the six-county metropolitan area.

On Friday, the Illinois Department of Public Health became one of the few state offices to release some racial data. And the data showed a pandemic within the pandemic: African Americans are significantly overrepresented in infection rates in Illinois, while whites and Latinos are significantly underrepresented. African Americans make up 14.6 percent of the state population, but 28 percent of confirmed cases of the coronavirus. White people comprise 76.9 percent of the Illinois population, and 39 percent of the confirmed cases. Latinos comprise 17.4 percent of the state population, and 7 percent of the cases. In Illinois, Asian Americans were the only racial group without a significant disparity between their state population, at 5.9 percent, and confirmed cases, at 4 percent. (Nearly a third of cases were recorded as “other” or left blank. Illinois did not release racial data on Native Americans, or on testing, hospitalization, and death rates by race.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/stop-looking-away-race-covid-19-victims/609250/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2020, 12:28:15 pm
Wouldn’t that tie in to obesity rates?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2020, 03:58:27 pm
Wouldn’t that tie in to obesity rates?

Edit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2020, 04:14:47 pm
What?



Well we are officially #1


First country with more than 1000 deaths in one day and it’s only 4 pm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 04, 2020, 05:22:18 pm
What?



Well we are officially #1


First country with more than 1000 deaths in one day and it’s only 4 pm


I was going to say smoking too, but then i found this article that shows whites smoke as much as blacks.

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-tobacco-use/tobacco-use-racial-and-ethnic

So yeah, obesity, church attendance, intergenerational housing, more likely to be blue collar essential workers, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 04, 2020, 05:29:56 pm
That’s why southern states are going to be hit hard


Obesity and smoking
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 04, 2020, 07:35:32 pm
Corona beer halts production during coronavirus pandemic (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-corona-beer-halts-production-meixco-during-pandemic/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=85837101)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 05, 2020, 09:15:00 am
Corona beer halts production during coronavirus pandemic (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-corona-beer-halts-production-meixco-during-pandemic/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=85837101)

I'm no fan of their beer or their parent company but that seems pretty BS.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 05, 2020, 09:51:18 am
So, are they pierced?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/whats-the-deal-with-andrew-cuomos-nipples.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 05, 2020, 11:09:26 am
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92719795_10220160208088166_6715274469302075392_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=rRagSs-ABdoAX8jTMmP&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=b6b1f96785a67c7e9f079269f115c9ed&oe=5EAFBF12)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 05, 2020, 11:14:03 am
Pic must be old
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 05, 2020, 05:38:18 pm
Nothing about that picture says doctored, except the sign.  Is that an important part of the picture?

#racistasfuck
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 05, 2020, 05:42:32 pm
I mean,

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/d-c-officials-close-fish-market-at-the-wharf-following-viral-photos
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 05, 2020, 05:58:23 pm
Wow

Ok


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 05, 2020, 06:11:27 pm
My bad - I apologize. You guys are screwed in about two weeks....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 05, 2020, 11:26:02 pm
My bad - I apologize. You guys are screwed in about two weeks....

Why thank you.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2020, 08:17:39 am
Nothing about that picture says doctored, except the sign.  Is that an important part of the picture?

#racistasfuck
One woman has a face mask on
not sure  who that tag was for?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 06, 2020, 08:23:44 am
Nothing about that picture says doctored, except the sign.  Is that an important part of the picture?

#racistasfuck
One woman has a face mask on
not sure  who that tag was for?

I think smackie had a bad Sunday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2020, 03:20:28 pm
Boris has been taken to intensive care
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 06, 2020, 03:21:01 pm
Boris has been taken to intensive care
yOu HaTe To SeE iT
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 06, 2020, 05:47:29 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/gmxXntn/cheers.png)

Piers Morgan on brand
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2020, 08:04:29 pm
gonna put this here as we don't have a 'history repeats itself thread'

The Sedition Act of 1918, enacted during World War I (and the height of the 1918 flu pandemic), made it a crime to "willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of the Government of the United States" or to "willfully urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of the production" of the things " ...

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 06, 2020, 08:14:24 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me...once you allow Trump and Republicans to frame this as a war it just makes the curtailment of rights a cinch


We must be brainwashed to call everything a war as even liberals are using this war framing...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 06, 2020, 08:47:29 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/91079052_2630290287235700_7677100475044331520_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=PvuWmwFlKvgAX9DN2dQ&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=b9391c606f6ab43f7bac40478641c90e&oe=5EB24DCB)

Farmington, MN
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 12:52:05 pm
Maryland is not doing well


+1158 cases in one day or about 25% increase if my math is not wrong


Troubling development for our area
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 01:09:24 pm
On the other hand VA may look better but is doing a terrible job on testing


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 08, 2020, 02:29:17 pm
Maryland is not doing well


+1158 cases in one day or about 25% increase if my math is not wrong


Troubling development for our area

I don't know how much stock I put in the positive test numbers. It coulld be that  there were a bunch of previously done tests whose results are now just being made available, etc (in fact i think i read somewhere that this is what Hogan was attributing it to.)

I think they key numbers or the deaths and how full the ICU units are.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 08, 2020, 02:56:08 pm
Here is Hogan's explanation:

https://twitter.com/HellgrenWJZ/status/1247892406738927618/photo/1
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 02:58:51 pm
Ok but still not good, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 03:00:04 pm
Just stay home

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 08, 2020, 03:03:12 pm
Just stay home

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

*Anyone can publish on Medium per our Policies, but we don’t fact-check every story. For more info about the coronavirus, see cdc.gov.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 03:07:26 pm
Common sense
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2020, 04:15:15 pm
I do think individuals excising do cause more risk
They are breathing very heavy, so then putting more droplets in the air and more chance to spread

It is surely the job of the person Excising to create sufficient distance from others they are passing
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 08, 2020, 04:18:34 pm
The real problem, as it always is, is families spreading out and hogging the whole trail. They should walk single file and stay to the right.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 08, 2020, 05:45:07 pm
Here is Hogan's explanation:

https://twitter.com/HellgrenWJZ/status/1247892406738927618/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/HellgrenWJZ/status/1247892406738927618/photo/1)

i did a double-take, because i forgot about the context here and thought you were talking about the other hogan (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hulk-hogan-vaccine-coronavirus_n_5e8c9874c5b62459a92f9530) and his bat-shit ideas (https://www.nydailynews.com/snyde/ny-hulk-hogan-no-vaccine-find-jesus-coronavirus-20200407-dzc46l5gv5cexpg57wdkvjyqma-story.html)...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2020, 06:02:01 pm
According to Dr Birx DC the next hotspot maybe? Also Philly

I am never getting off this couch
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 08, 2020, 06:16:17 pm
According to Dr Birx DC the next hotspot maybe? Also Philly

I am never getting off this couch

She has said this more than once but never really explained why. Maybe she saw pictures of the fish market?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 08, 2020, 06:19:36 pm
MD predicted to peak on April 17 with 60 deaths on that day, and 1,094 total deaths.
VA predicted to peak on April 23 with 33 deaths on that day, and 891 total deaths.
supposedly DC peaked on April 4 with 6 deaths on that day, and a projected 84 total deaths... so no hotspot projection there.
source  (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/825479416/new-yorks-coronavirus-deaths-may-level-off-soon-when-might-your-state-s-peak)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2020, 06:27:48 pm
New York Post reporter @stevennelson10 asks @realDonaldTrump about a pardon for 'Tiger King' Joe Exotic

Trump grins and says that the idea must have come from @DonaldJTrumpJr


Hate to do this...but to be fair to trump, he kind of mocked the guy for asking the question
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on April 08, 2020, 09:16:37 pm
The biggest question.

Will we be the same, or the same,  after all of this.

I, predict,  the same.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 06:13:49 am
RIP Lonnie (https://www.newsweek.com/rip-lonnie-twitter-coronavirus-wanda-dench-jamal-hinton-thanksgiving-1497010)
#covid'ed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 08:30:06 am
Some things will change I think...I mean it could take over a year to get a vaccine...


Human nature won’t change though so

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 09, 2020, 09:56:21 am
I think the virus would have a good time invading this elderly fat fuck. I sincerely hope he gets it, because he clearly doesn't get it.

Barr calls lockdown measures ‘draconian,’ and suggests they should be revisited next month

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/attorney-general-william-barr-fox-news-coronavirus/2020/04/09/dfda1f94-7a12-11ea-a130-df573469f094_story.html?itid=hp_hp-banner-main_barrlockdown-549am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 09, 2020, 10:03:50 am
The biggest question.

Will we be the same, or the same,  after all of this.

I, predict,  the same.

It will be interesting. I predict a 9/11 type "fear" for a while that will slowly be forgotten about. Hopefully in a few years, this will all be a blip on the radar, but time will tell.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 11:47:52 am
6.6 million new initial job unemployment claims

It’s important to note that it’s been hard for many to even file

These type of numbers have never been seen although during the Great Depression numbers may have been greater as a percentage..I haven’t crunched the numbers

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 11:54:30 am
6.6 million new initial job unemployment claims

It’s important to note that it’s been hard for many to even file

These type of numbers have never been seen although during the Great Depression numbers may have been greater as a percentage..I haven’t crunched the numbers
so my understanding this number is the first time applying for unemployment insurance
I don't even think they had this until FDR, so don't think you can compare numbers and so many people were undocumented then too

Love that fox is running these headlines Paid to quit? Backlash builds against unemployment benefits on ‘steroids’ (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/paid-to-quit-backlash-builds-against-unemployment-benefits-on-steroids)
it bothers these people soo much that someone who makes $7 an hour might get $600 more a month
it's insane
They don't mind corporate bailouts in the billions
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 12:10:09 pm
Yes well I think you can take it as a bit of a proxy for newly unemployed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 12:16:34 pm
Yes well I think you can take it as a bit of a proxy for newly unemployed
Yeah but if you were working as a Gig worker or Laborer who got paid cash...you don't get to apply
so the numbers might be a lot higher

17 million over those three weeks...the actual unemployment rate has not been calculated yet...
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported last week that U.S. employers shed 701,000 jobs in March, pushing the unemployment rate up to 4.4 percent, but the survey week for that figure was mid-March, before the crush of claims began. Most estimates put the current unemployment rate in the double digits or close to it.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 12:38:55 pm
You make my point for me! A shitload of unemployed people

Thank you last legs
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Vas Deferens on April 09, 2020, 01:08:18 pm
Most New York Coronavirus Cases Came From Europe, Genomes Show

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 09, 2020, 01:10:37 pm
Most New York Coronavirus Cases Came From Europe, Genomes Show

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html
yeah but that goes against Trumps case that his genius move was stoping travle from china (although 40k arrived from china after the ban with shoddy checks)...
FAKE NEWS...you hate the USA
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 01:13:45 pm
I read that tons of New Yorkers flew to Milan for Fashion Week February 16-24...obviously many would have come back with virus...Milan shut down very shortly after
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 09, 2020, 04:13:20 pm
Just stay home

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

Shocking:

Bullshit article on bullshit website turns out to be bullshit.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74az9/the-viral-study-about-runners-spreading-coronavirus-is-not-actually-a-study
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 04:33:57 pm
Uh oh


Ok everyone go out on bike paths and exercise
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 09, 2020, 05:15:07 pm
Uh oh


Ok everyone go out on bike paths and exercise

Also,
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 09, 2020, 05:25:53 pm
Uh oh


Ok everyone go out on bike paths and exercise

Also,
  • Run from home
  • Run solo
  • Run at less popular times of day
  • Maintain a 6-foot distance from others
  • Don't run if you feel sick

that last point is a tough one for the missus.  she wants to run even more when she feels sick.  it's her cure-all.  some nonsense about white blood cells and immunity boosting blah blah blah.  luckily we have lots of places to run with no one around.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 05:41:55 pm
What if you’re trying to escape homosexual urges because the Church of Scientology tells you it’s wrong? Should you run then? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 09, 2020, 05:52:59 pm
Just stay home

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

Shocking:

Bullshit article on bullshit website turns out to be bullshit.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74az9/the-viral-study-about-runners-spreading-coronavirus-is-not-actually-a-study

This was my thought today about this article when i was out on my lunchtime bike ride.

Also, two middle aged helmet haired hags were walking together about eight feet apart, one on each edge of the trail. Socially distancing from each other but definitely not using proper trail etiquette. I cut between them on my bike and one of them yelled at me "Hey buddy, tell us you're coming!" I shot back, "Stay to the right like you're supposed to." I was going too fast to hear if they had a response.

That's my trail story for the day.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 09, 2020, 06:58:23 pm
Wyoming:

239 cases
0 deaths
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 09, 2020, 07:38:10 pm
Wyoming:

239 cases
0 deaths

And how many of those are currently infected? How many have recovered?

My guess is that the terminal figures will be 24 dead and 215 recovered.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 07:51:32 pm
Wow from now on you are Dr Heilung
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 09, 2020, 07:53:22 pm
/deep bow/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 07:56:56 pm
/deep bow/
Next post is the big 5k. Make it count.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 09, 2020, 08:04:47 pm
Oh shit! :-\
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 08:26:43 pm
Oh shit! :-\
Nah, man, that’s pretty representative of your oeuvre. Good work.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 09, 2020, 08:30:23 pm
#onbrand
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2020, 08:34:24 pm
#onbrand
It was on-brand. That was my point.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 09, 2020, 08:40:48 pm
Wyoming:

239 cases
0 deaths

And how many of those are currently infected? How many have recovered?

My guess is that the terminal figures will be 24 dead and 215 recovered.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

145 active cases so that means 94 recovered, 0 deaths so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 09, 2020, 09:25:43 pm
Just stay home

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

Shocking:

Bullshit article on bullshit website turns out to be bullshit.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74az9/the-viral-study-about-runners-spreading-coronavirus-is-not-actually-a-study

This was my thought today about this article when i was out on my lunchtime bike ride.

Also, two middle aged helmet haired hags were walking together about eight feet apart, one on each edge of the trail. Socially distancing from each other but definitely not using proper trail etiquette. I cut between them on my bike and one of them yelled at me "Hey buddy, tell us you're coming!" I shot back, "Stay to the right like you're supposed to." I was going too fast to hear if they had a response.

That's my trail story for the day.

Almost as awesome as the flava flave lookin muthafucka story.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2020, 09:57:44 pm
That was a good one...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 10, 2020, 02:18:30 pm
Dummy has coronavirus test samples stolen from her running Jeep (https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2020/4/10/21216189/coronavirus-test-samples-stolen-englewood-south-side-covid-19)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 10, 2020, 09:58:35 pm
apple & google combine forces to track you and the virus (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/04/apple-and-google-partner-on-covid-19-contact-tracing-technology/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 11, 2020, 05:32:30 pm
Sturgill tests positive

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/9356569/sturgill-simpson-covid-19-positive?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 11, 2020, 07:03:21 pm
Sturgill tests positive

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/9356569/sturgill-simpson-covid-19-positive?__twitter_impression=true
This is a loss I could live with.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 11, 2020, 07:11:17 pm
Ha ha

I know you don’t mean it...

A lot of people seem to really love him
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 11, 2020, 07:39:13 pm
Sturgill tests positive

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/9356569/sturgill-simpson-covid-19-positive?__twitter_impression=true
This is a loss I could live with.

That's not nice.

Maybe just some vocal cord damage, relegating him to just being a songwriter for others. J/K.

If he's been sick since at least March 13, seems like he would be past the worst of it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2020, 10:59:00 am
Looks like more social distancing may be in our future....

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20041079v1.full.pdf

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 12, 2020, 02:10:51 pm
Mayor Muriel Bowser on DC

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/dc-mayor-says-coronavirus-outbreak-will-peak-in-june-in-nations-capital.amp?__twitter_impression=true


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 12, 2020, 08:11:42 pm
Difficult to believe...but no concerts til fall 2021?

https://www.bing.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-obamacare-architect-zeke-emanuel-says-u-s-should-prepare-ourselves-for-coronavirus-social-distancing-to-last-18-months.amp
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 13, 2020, 09:57:36 am
Difficult to believe...but no concerts til fall 2021?

https://www.bing.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-obamacare-architect-zeke-emanuel-says-u-s-should-prepare-ourselves-for-coronavirus-social-distancing-to-last-18-months.amp

2.85

Not that it hasn't before, but the stark reality of this really hit hard over the weekend (coupled with extreme over indulgence).

At what point are businesses going to shutter, people start to lose their jobs (if they haven't), lose homes, suicide rates increase? This is just fucked.

How long can a company like IMP even last?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 10:13:36 am
Yeah it’s pretty nuts...sort of out of words
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 10:29:11 am
I assume IMP has a contingency plan by now - they better - in case concerts are not allowed until a vaccine is developed... 

I know nothing about IMP finances but I suppose such a plan would involve furloughing most permanent staff and reaching an agreement with the Anthem landlord.

Other than that there can’t be that many fixed costs right? If they don’t put on shows they don’t spend money, right?

Note I pretty much was a failure in accounting so

What a 40th year

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2020, 11:07:00 am
Note I pretty much was a failure in accounting so
can confirm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 11:10:58 am
You know how to hit a guy when he’s down
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2020, 11:40:31 am
You know how to hit a guy when he’s down
yep, seems to be the only thing I'm good at

Also, can confirm....Hutch isn't much of a landscaper

but ask him about privatizing Nationalized airports...and he might be your man
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 11:43:55 am
Hey now I mowed the lawn this weekend...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2020, 11:45:42 am
Hey now I mowed the lawn this weekend...
I'll be by for a QC inspection later today

when was the last time you sharpened the blade (please turn it off before inspecting)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 11:53:03 am
Huh?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 11:54:46 am
Deaths seem to be trending down finally

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2020, 12:12:12 pm
Anybody else have to hear about how the virus is man-made using funding from George Soros, the Rothchild's, the Rockefeller's, and Bill Gates every time they talk to their parents?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/us/coronavirus-made-in-lab-poll-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 12:16:07 pm
Ughhh ...nooooo


What is it with people and Bill Gates or Soros?

I admire you Space...if anyone in my family said anything like that I just wouldn’t call them again
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2020, 12:49:38 pm
space....what about 5G...isn't that the cause!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2020, 12:58:09 pm
Ughhh ...nooooo


What is it with people and Bill Gates or Soros?

I admire you Space...if anyone in my family said anything like that I just wouldn’t call them again

I just tell her I love her, stay isolated, nice talking to her, I but I gotta go now. The sad and ironic thing was my mom had a place out on the country in isolation and sold it a few months ago so she could go live in a senior center, where she could meet people and socialize more.

The person I feel really bad for is my brother, who lives in the same town with her. And got laid off once this happened. And who has a wife who apparently believes the same BS my mom does (he doesn't.)

No talk of G5 yet, I don't let the conversation get that far.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 13, 2020, 01:06:23 pm
Brazil ends chloroquine study early after patients suffer deadly heart complications.

Shocking.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 01:09:56 pm
“But what do you have to lose?”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 01:19:01 pm
This is just unbelievable


If we hadn’t shut down we would have lost millions of people

https://mobile.twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1249676952295944193
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 13, 2020, 02:08:23 pm
Deaths seem to be trending down finally



It always looks like that on Mondays.  Reporting slows down over the weekend.  Plus, deaths trail existing cases by 10-20 days, and cases haven't really dropped yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 02:11:28 pm
Well we shall see
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2020, 02:13:58 pm
Deaths seem to be trending down finally



It always looks like that on Mondays.  Reporting slows down over the weekend.  Plus, deaths trail existing cases by 10-20 days, and cases haven't really dropped yet.

2000+ on Friday
1800+ on Saturday
1500+ on Sunday

Are you saying reporting of deaths slows on weekends or reporting of new cases?

Number of new cases has been steadily around 30K for the past seven days (ranging from 25 K to 35K). I think that's much more a function of number of people being tested than number of people actually sick.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2020, 02:47:28 pm
This model says the US deaths peaked on Friday. We'll see.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy

It also says Italy was supposed to be at 300+,200+ and 200+ the past three days, when in reality they've been 600+, 400+ and 500+ (so far today). So the steep drop off that they were predicting from Italy is not happening. They're even exceeding the max of the predicted range.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2020, 03:02:26 pm
Obviously if so many people stay home we flatten the curve but the issue is that during this time the federal government was supposed to be getting its act together so that we can prevent more people from getting sick (ramping up testing, tracing, policies on isolating people) and when in the future more people get sick we are not overwhelmed ...also develop a national strategy for reopening and even coordinate things on a global scale....this was why we have been doing all this mitigation

Does anyone in their right minds think this has and is happening?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2020, 03:10:46 pm
Obviously if so many people stay home we flatten the curve but the issue is that during this time the federal government was supposed to be getting its act together so that we can prevent more people from getting sick (ramping up testing, tracing, policies on isolating people) and when in the future more people get sick we are not overwhelmed ...also develop a national strategy for reopening and even coordinate things on a global scale....this was why we have been doing all this mitigation

Does anyone in their right minds think this has and is happening?

They haven't asked me to work on anything of that nature, so I have my doubts.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 13, 2020, 03:13:04 pm
The answer is no yet there are a lot of people who think the administration is doing a wonderful job.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 13, 2020, 03:24:05 pm
Number of new cases has been steadily around 30K for the past seven days (ranging from 25 K to 35K). I think that's much more a function of number of people being tested than number of people actually sick.

bingo.  and we aren't testing as much as we should be.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 13, 2020, 03:27:32 pm
The answer is no yet there are a lot of people who think the administration is doing a wonderful job.

a lot of people are thinking that, A LOT.  you wouldn't believe the number of people who think this administration is doing the best job possible, the best in the history of this country.  in fact, i like to use a word  - it's just a word, but a special word - called "unprecedented."  such a beautiful, powerful word, and i think i'm the first - maybe i'm the first, probably, i don't know - the first to use this word to describe our amazing response.  just tremendous.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2020, 03:38:40 pm
A LOT think this...which is sad

23% think it was made in a lab...where are they getting their information from
Nearly 30% in the US believe a coronavirus theory that's almost certainly not true (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/us/coronavirus-made-in-lab-poll-trnd/index.html)

Take the conspiracy that 5G networks are somehow linked to the coronavirus. It started as a fringe theory among New Agers and QAnon followers. Soon, it ended up on celebrities' Instagram accounts, and Twitter published at least two "moments" debunking it.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVgsWcrWoAAMlpF?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 14, 2020, 12:18:16 pm
Tax change in coronavirus package overwhelmingly benefits millionaires, congressional body finds (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/14/coronavirus-law-congress-tax-change/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: K8teebug on April 14, 2020, 01:12:12 pm
It's so hard to read all this bullshit. I hate being informed sometimes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2020, 01:50:35 pm
Tax change in coronavirus package overwhelmingly benefits millionaires, congressional body finds (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/14/coronavirus-law-congress-tax-change/)

The vote on this was 96-0. Was Bernie absent or did he vote YES?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 14, 2020, 02:00:38 pm
Tax change in coronavirus package overwhelmingly benefits millionaires, congressional body finds (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/14/coronavirus-law-congress-tax-change/)

The vote on this was 96-0. Was Bernie absent or did he vote YES?

tax change was a minor part of the package.  was someone supposed to sink the whole thing because of one bad section? 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 14, 2020, 02:07:50 pm
tax change was a minor part of the package.  was someone supposed to sink the whole thing because of one bad section? 
Have you met Bernie Sanders!?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 14, 2020, 03:01:08 pm
^ lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2020, 03:29:11 pm
Wyoming had their first death. So now they're at 275 cases with one death.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 14, 2020, 05:31:03 pm
Virginia Pastor Who Snubbed Social Distancing Order Dies After Contracting Virus (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/atheism-secularism/virginia-pastor-who-snubbed-social-distancing-order-dies-after-contracting-virus-5jLUeU8FUECFcqz8ak6LtA/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR1zCbr_ILhW5AllfgLbR029CY3Nb--uezrlS04pmL6FXEtaVkDXWF_AnxM)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 14, 2020, 05:37:40 pm
Virginia Pastor Who Snubbed Social Distancing Order Dies After Contracting Virus (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/atheism-secularism/virginia-pastor-who-snubbed-social-distancing-order-dies-after-contracting-virus-5jLUeU8FUECFcqz8ak6LtA/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR1zCbr_ILhW5AllfgLbR029CY3Nb--uezrlS04pmL6FXEtaVkDXWF_AnxM)
You hate to see it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2020, 05:52:26 pm
Can we please just make Gavin Newsom the president?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 14, 2020, 05:53:11 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnqMuJXsAMJB1a?format=jpg&name=small)

You beat me to it. 1fuckingmillion. closing in on 250k in US.
Only 12 days ago and we're about to break 2 mill...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 14, 2020, 05:57:32 pm
The worse though is at least 2214 deaths documented from Covid19 today...a new peak

Heilung was right

The thing that gets me is the utter indifference of many...the resignation to it...the acceptance that it had to happen

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 14, 2020, 06:05:49 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-14/nyc-adds-3-700-to-death-toll-to-count-victims-not-hospitalized?__twitter_impression=true


The federal government did nothing to help NY

Just shameful
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 14, 2020, 06:09:35 pm
ok this is good

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVkqUXPX0AcsXd-?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 14, 2020, 06:11:02 pm
Very meh
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2020, 07:24:08 pm
The worse though is at least 2214 deaths documented from Covid19 today...a new peak

Heilung was right

The thing that gets me is the utter indifference of many...the resignation to it...the acceptance that it had to happen

Pre-COVID19 7700+ Americans died every day. I don't think a one day peak of 2200+, with a vast majority of them being old people (who we devalue in this country anyway) is really going to effect the emotions of many. Until someone you know dies.

I mean, every day for the past month *i* make a big deal of it, and even today my 12 year old says "Why are people making such a big deal of it? Many more people die of cancer or heart disease?"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 14, 2020, 07:49:17 pm
You have got to be kidding me...2022?!? 2024??

I won’t make it


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/social-distancing-research-coronavirus-2022-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 14, 2020, 07:52:39 pm
Virginia Pastor Who Snubbed Social Distancing Order Dies After Contracting Virus (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/atheism-secularism/virginia-pastor-who-snubbed-social-distancing-order-dies-after-contracting-virus-5jLUeU8FUECFcqz8ak6LtA/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR1zCbr_ILhW5AllfgLbR029CY3Nb--uezrlS04pmL6FXEtaVkDXWF_AnxM)
You hate to see it.

<sheepish> am i a bad person if i don't hate it? </sheep>
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 14, 2020, 07:54:13 pm
'Heartbreaking Statistic': Thanks to Pandemic, Last Month Was First March Since 2002 Without a US School Shooting (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/04/13/heartbreaking-statistic-thanks-pandemic-last-month-was-first-march-2002-without-us)
"All it took was a pandemic and closing all the schools."


(i can't help but arrive at the conclusion that shootings are a feature, not a bug, of schools in this country...  :'( )
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2020, 08:20:27 pm
You have got to be kidding me...2022?!? 2024??

I won’t make it


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/social-distancing-research-coronavirus-2022-trnd/index.html

I don't think people will accept that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2020, 08:28:09 pm
Today's DC COVID-19 deaths. Sucks to be a male. Wonder if any of them were at the fish market?

WASHINGTON, DC — The D.C. Department of Health confirmed 15 new deaths Tuesday related to the coronavirus, also known as COVID-19, bringing the total number of District deaths caused by the virus to 67. D.C. Health also confirmed 103 new positive coronavirus cases, which brings the District's overall positive case total to 2,058.

The new deaths were described as:

31-year-old male
37-year-old male
51-year-old male
51-year-old male
58-year-old male
62-year-old male
67-year-old male
77-year-old male
79-year-old male
81-year-old female
81-year-old female
82-year-old male
83-year-old female
87-year-old female
93-year-old female.

https://patch.com/district-columbia/washingtondc/19-new-coronavirus-deaths-dc-positive-cases-now-exceed-2-000
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 14, 2020, 08:49:50 pm
We’re outdoing each other Space with the good news
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2020, 01:25:47 am
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93407160_2619191631516089_2820790531234201600_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQkb0cYKs299nSkLOI4gAEocwvi6AzoOCbRlzsAEwu_LwXxnW_QjN3O27Nq2ZZBawcQ&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=e9ec05147ad665f081816bde034b3691&oe=5EBD2060)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 08:03:37 am
Jules hasn't mentioned BMI since Obama was president....is there a connection?


Nathan Taylor @ntaylor963
"When assessing the risk of various nations is that 3% of Japanese are obese, while 40% of Americans are obese."

BMI < 30: reference risk
BMI 30-40: 4x risk
BMI > 40: 6x risk
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 08:40:26 am
Phewww. I'm overweight, but not obese.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2020, 08:57:46 am
Are Italians obese? I thought they ate the healthy Mediterranean diet?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 09:04:51 am
these are some shocking stats
From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%,
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 09:17:34 am
Are Italians obese? I thought they ate the healthy Mediterranean diet?

Cigarettes add to your BMI as well.

One time the year after my dad died, I took my mom to Italy. It was her first time out of the country. We were at a street market in Florence, and she was dickering with a local over the price of a scarf. She offered him about half the price he was charging.

He replied, "Do you know how much I pay for your American cigarettes?"

And she retorted, "Well then kweeeeee-ut."

I don't think she got the scarf.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 09:48:06 am
Are Italians obese? I thought they ate the healthy Mediterranean diet?

Italy boasts one of the lowest adulthood obesity rates in Europe [approximately 10% of the population]

not sure how smoking can add to BMI...where does smoke increase mass in your body...tumor cells in your lungs don't get calculated
now smoking and covid are bad bedfellows since it's a pulmonary disease

but extra credit awarded for very #onbrand post that included a wonderfully crafted vignette that had snark, but a touch of sentimentality
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 09:50:18 am
Well the first day of online school is cancelled because kids started spamming the site with porn and racist garbage and dick pics in their avatars. What a great country we live in. Instead of making the day up tomorrow (they have half their classes on Wed and half on Fri, so one 45 min session per week), they're just skipping it and starting Friday.

I attended an online seminar (from a third party) a couple weeks ago for work where the same kind of thing happened.

My employer banned the use of Zoom for these reasons (school not using Zoom, though the online seminar was.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2020, 09:52:16 am
Exactly right Sidehatch

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 09:54:14 am
Are Italians obese? I thought they ate the healthy Mediterranean diet?

Italy boasts one of the lowest adulthood obesity rates in Europe [approximately 10% of the population]

not sure how smoking can add to BMI...where does smoke increase mass in your body...tumor cells in your lungs don't get calculated
now smoking and covid are bad bedfellows since it's a pulmonary disease

I was just joking. The real story:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6042712/

Smokers tend to weigh less than never smokers, while successful quitting leads to an increase in body weight. Because smokers and non-smokers may differ in genetic and environmental family background, we analysed data from twin pairs in which the co-twins differed by their smoking behaviour to evaluate if the association between smoking and body mass index (BMI) remains after controlling for family background.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 15, 2020, 10:38:34 am
Maryland hits 10,000 cases of COVID-19
Montgomery County just shy of 2,000
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 11:30:39 am
Exactly right Sidehatch
Might get this post framed ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2020, 12:59:14 pm
recap of the trump administration's response to the pandemic: incompetence, malice, profiteering & price-gouging   
https://twitter.com/RomancingNope/status/1247189603607629825
FB version (same content) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2661827024141148&set=pcb.2661827960807721&type=3&theater
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2020, 01:12:01 pm
Exactly right Sidehatch
Might get this post framed ;)


I know! I felt weird posting it...but decided “what the heck...”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 01:22:50 pm
Jules, here is your chance
https://www.fanatics.com/bieber-sings-one-less-lonely-girl-at-your-house/p-14643216580026+z-9567-484348021
get this guy to sing at your house
(https://fanatics.frgimages.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productimages/_3895000/altimages/ff_3895304-d9d00db50f7df4f16ca0alt1_full.jpg&w=900)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 01:44:40 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVkqUXPX0AcsXd-?format=jpg&name=small)

apparently Mayor Bowser thought all the complaining was worthy of another month
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/492928-dc-extends-stay-at-home-order-through-may-15
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 15, 2020, 02:50:24 pm
a bunch of really bright ones decided it was ok to clog the streets of Lansing, MI to protest the stay at home Order there...  even managed to block an ambulance.. funny how the right to freely assemble only applies to conservatives
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 15, 2020, 03:07:10 pm
a bunch of really bright ones decided it was ok to clog the streets of Lansing, MI to protest the stay at home Order there...  even managed to block an ambulance.. funny how the right to freely assemble only applies to conservatives
That's Michigan State for ya.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 03:07:36 pm
a bunch of really bright ones decided it was ok to clog the streets of Lansing, MI to protest the stay at home Order there...  even managed to block an ambulance.. funny how the right to freely assemble only applies to conservatives

How do you know they were conservatives?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2020, 03:11:00 pm
VA stay at home til May 8
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 03:26:15 pm
Well the first day of online school is cancelled because kids started spamming the site with porn and racist garbage and dick pics in their avatars. What a great country we live in. Instead of making the day up tomorrow (they have half their classes on Wed and half on Fri, so one 45 min session per week), they're just skipping it and starting Friday.
this is how it was framed on WTOP
Fairfax County Public Schools canceled all teacher-led instruction for the rest of the day amid widespread technical issues preventing students from accessing distance learning tools.
I liked your version better
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 03:33:17 pm
a bunch of really bright ones decided it was ok to clog the streets of Lansing, MI to protest the stay at home Order there...  even managed to block an ambulance.. funny how the right to freely assemble only applies to conservatives

How do you know they were conservatives?
Wes Pytlowany@wpytlowany
#ImpeachWhitmer #Gridlock Proud to stand with patriots against @GovWhitmer  today!

lisastark35@lisastark351
A conservative group made up of entitled white men and their wives who can’t think for themselves is headed to our capitol to protest our governor's stay at home orders.

lots of Red hats and trump flags and calling themselves patriots (while blocking ambulances)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 03:38:35 pm
VA stay at home til May 8

How does that order differ than the one that goes through June 10?

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/all-releases/2020/march/headline-855702-en.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2020, 03:45:24 pm
They run concurrently


To be in good standing in VA you must clone yourself and both you and clone stay home til May 8... from May 9 to June 9 your clone can go out while you comply with stay at home...from June 10 on both can go out...unless there is extension..hope this makes sense...it’s a bit confusing
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 04:22:39 pm
Looks like we're going to set the death record for the second straight day. What's with all this talk about things leveling off? The UWash models said we were supposed to peak five days ago. Then it changed to Monday. Now Tues and Wed and it's hitting new highs when it looked like we'd be declining.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2020, 04:33:46 pm
I feel like testing has really stalled

So are models accurate if they input lower new case numbers?

I assume so but have a nagging doubt...but we also have new hospital admissions data so it seems like just that deaths are a lagging indicator...small comfort to the dead
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2020, 04:35:29 pm
I've a friend who is the CIO of a NYSE listed tech firm....this is how he showed up to his Zoom meeting this morning

(https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/93422684_10222025062197212_4416908783402352640_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=RKMGxqKPXtEAX9Kza_Z&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=e1949f3186836268b7c86fbef1f61689&oe=5EBC3B56)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 15, 2020, 04:51:04 pm
I've a friend who is the CIO of a NYSE listed tech firm
Brag.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 04:55:41 pm
Sounds like we're never going back to the office.

https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2020/04/northern-va-hospitals-could-be-overwhelmed-by-late-summer-latest-state-models-project/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 15, 2020, 04:58:38 pm
Sounds like we're never going back to the office.
Some of us never stopped going to the office.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2020, 05:12:04 pm
Brag
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2020, 05:20:24 pm
Looks like we're going to set the death record for the second straight day. What's with all this talk about things leveling off? The UWash models said we were supposed to peak five days ago. Then it changed to Monday. Now Tues and Wed and it's hitting new highs when it looked like we'd be declining.

aww c'mon Space, you're a stats guy - you know that when you're developing a model on the fly for a novel situation and with incomplete data, the model's predictions are going to change every time you insert new data and/or revise the old data.  consider how much we don't know: infection rates (due to lack of testing), mortality rate, intensity of the outbreak (aka R0), distribution of immunity (antibodies), whether antibodies are even relevant with this disease, etc...  with so many squishy unknowns and tenuous assumptions, any wonder that the models' outputs change regularly?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 15, 2020, 05:28:33 pm
a bunch of really bright ones decided it was ok to clog the streets of Lansing, MI to protest the stay at home Order there...  even managed to block an ambulance.. funny how the right to freely assemble only applies to conservatives

How do you know they were conservatives?
Wes Pytlowany@wpytlowany
#ImpeachWhitmer #Gridlock Proud to stand with patriots against @GovWhitmer  today!

lisastark35@lisastark351
A conservative group made up of entitled white men and their wives who can’t think for themselves is headed to our capitol to protest our governor's stay at home orders.

lots of Red hats and trump flags and calling themselves patriots (while blocking ambulances)

anecdotal, but i have an FB acquaintance who is a MI conservative and based on his posts and his like-minded friends this is definitely a highly partisan conservative movement.  they're protesting the fact that a Dem in power as much as the lock-down.  they just needed an excuse.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 05:32:29 pm
a bunch of really bright ones decided it was ok to clog the streets of Lansing, MI to protest the stay at home Order there...  even managed to block an ambulance.. funny how the right to freely assemble only applies to conservatives

How do you know they were conservatives?
Wes Pytlowany@wpytlowany
#ImpeachWhitmer #Gridlock Proud to stand with patriots against @GovWhitmer  today!

lisastark35@lisastark351
A conservative group made up of entitled white men and their wives who can’t think for themselves is headed to our capitol to protest our governor's stay at home orders.

lots of Red hats and trump flags and calling themselves patriots (while blocking ambulances)

anecdotal, but i have an FB acquaintance who is a MI conservative and based on his posts and his like-minded friends this is definitely a highly partisan conservative movement.  they're protesting the fact that a Dem in power as much as the lock-down.  they just needed an excuse.

I was oblivious to the story when I posted my question but after reading a bit about it, the answer was obvious.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2020, 08:44:34 pm
Well the first day of online school is cancelled because kids started spamming the site with porn and racist garbage and dick pics in their avatars. What a great country we live in. Instead of making the day up tomorrow (they have half their classes on Wed and half on Fri, so one 45 min session per week), they're just skipping it and starting Friday.
this is how it was framed on WTOP
Fairfax County Public Schools canceled all teacher-led instruction for the rest of the day amid widespread technical issues preventing students from accessing distance learning tools.
I liked your version better

School cancelled rest of week because of dick pics.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2020, 10:17:06 pm
I have to admit I am losing faith

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-stimulus-checks-millionaires-wealthy-tax-break-loophole-a9466476.html?fbclid=IwAR1A41yV2Qb9UoDbrLTLBQqoc58BKOtCECiotCihlagsGs8eo8Q52K2dNYM
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2020, 10:30:23 am
man...what is May going to look like if we are at 22Mil unemployeed right now
More than 5 million Americans filed for unemployment benefits last week, bringing the total in the month since the coronavirus pandemic throttled the U.S. economy to 22 million and effectively erasing a decade worth of job creation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2020, 10:49:46 am
Well at least it’s slowing

A lot of this is temporary unemployment

The concern is how to reopen parts of economy given Trump is doing nothing like he is supposed to be

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2020, 11:13:41 am
Ok we are at nearly 33,000 based on a change made in recording deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2020, 11:32:03 am
Taking the misses for a drive up test at 1:30.  :o
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 16, 2020, 11:47:43 am
NYC closes outdoor pools for the summer
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 16, 2020, 11:53:35 am
NYC closes outdoor pools for the summer

That is going to be the dagger when our neighborhood pool closes. Family meltdown imminent.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2020, 12:05:11 pm
NYC closes outdoor pools for the summer

That is going to be the dagger when our neighborhood pool closes. Family meltdown imminent.
I’m stunned it’s open now, to be honest.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2020, 12:11:30 pm
NYC closes outdoor pools for the summer

That is going to be the dagger when our neighborhood pool closes. Family meltdown imminent.
I’m stunned it’s open now, to be honest.
unless it's indoors or private (and even then) most don't open until mem day
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2020, 12:17:18 pm
Hey no pool no worries about showing off your Corona belly
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2020, 12:35:37 pm
NYC closes outdoor pools for the summer

That is going to be the dagger when our neighborhood pool closes. Family meltdown imminent.
I’m stunned it’s open now, to be honest.
unless it's indoors or private (and even then) most don't open until mem day
Oh well that’s a good point. Sorry, when I hear pool, I just assumed we are talking about a temperature controlled saltwater pool.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2020, 12:37:57 pm
Taking the misses for a drive up test at 1:30.  :o

 :-\   hope everything turns out ok.  thoughts and meditations.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2020, 12:40:09 pm
so much for "this isn't any worse than the seasonal flu"...

Covid-19 is rapidly becoming America’s leading cause of death (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/16/coronavirus-leading-cause-death/)
 
(https://palomaimages.washingtonpost.com/pr2/cacffdc2104c07dbe1323f83cce3f977-L6YBXIHHQRAXXD5KT6ZNWSYK2M-600-0-70-8.jpg)

(pretty sure this isn't what they meant by "help us beat cancer"...)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2020, 12:47:42 pm
Taking the misses for a drive up test at 1:30.  :o

 :-\   hope everything turns out ok.  thoughts and meditations.
Yeah. She’s developed literally every symptom in the last 24 hours. Either COVID or she sure picked a horrible time to get a flu.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2020, 12:50:06 pm
Bummer..good luck...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 16, 2020, 01:04:11 pm
Ugh, that sucks. Good luck.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2020, 01:11:33 pm
Taking the misses for a drive up test at 1:30.  :o

 :-\   hope everything turns out ok.  thoughts and meditations.
Yeah. She’s developed literally every symptom in the last 24 hours. Either COVID or she sure picked a horrible time to get a flu.

my missus wen through the same thing - sudden onset of all the symptoms, not too badly though.  test came back negative.  took 5 days, but the time the results came back my wife was feeling much better, so she was hoping that the test would come back positive - implying that she now had immunity.  alas, the covid-19 test was negative - not something you hear every day...

moral of the story: stay calm, stay positive.  there is a very good chance she doesn't have it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 16, 2020, 01:13:34 pm
Sorry jules... have you guys been exposed?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2020, 01:30:21 pm
Sorry jules... have you guys been exposed?
I’m a healthcare exec who has continued to go into the office part time. We staff nurses in some places with COVID positive patients (including the place with 50+ deaths you’ve seen in the news - Lexington Court).

I don’t personally interact with the RNs, but they have come into offices to pick up PPE. If she has it, I’m guessing I do to (she really hasn’t left the house except to go for a walk) and am just asymptomatic.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2020, 01:31:21 pm
Taking the misses for a drive up test at 1:30.  :o

 :-\   hope everything turns out ok.  thoughts and meditations.
Yeah. She’s developed literally every symptom in the last 24 hours. Either COVID or she sure picked a horrible time to get a flu.

my missus wen through the same thing - sudden onset of all the symptoms, not too badly though.  test came back negative.  took 5 days, but the time the results came back my wife was feeling much better, so she was hoping that the test would come back positive - implying that she now had immunity.  alas, the covid-19 test was negative - not something you hear every day...

moral of the story: stay calm, stay positive.  there is a very good chance she doesn't have it.
Yeah, part of me hopes we both have it since hospitals are not currently slammed. Let’s get it out of the way. She is solid fucking miserable though. This does not look fun.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2020, 01:32:05 pm
in hopes of lifting the mood here a bit: FUNNIEST covid-related thing i've seen

ScrubHub (https://scrubhub.tv/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 16, 2020, 01:51:25 pm
That weekend I was all pissy - same thing.  Chest pains, slight fever, slept 19 straight hours, thought for sure it was The VID. 

Nope.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2020, 01:52:26 pm
Supposedly there is a high false negative rate
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 16, 2020, 01:59:13 pm
Supposedly there is a high false negative rate

I was going to say this. Looks like only 20% of US tests have been positive. That lots of true negatives (Trump, Pence,people with other similar illneses etc) and/or lots of false negatives.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 16, 2020, 02:47:19 pm
That lots of true negatives (Trump, Pence,people with other similar illneses etc) and/or lots of false negatives.

ya don't say? ;D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 16, 2020, 02:55:11 pm
Taking the misses for a drive up test at 1:30.  :o

 :-\   hope everything turns out ok.  thoughts and meditations.
Yeah. She’s developed literally every symptom in the last 24 hours. Either COVID or she sure picked a horrible time to get a flu.

my missus wen through the same thing - sudden onset of all the symptoms, not too badly though.  test came back negative.  took 5 days, but the time the results came back my wife was feeling much better, so she was hoping that the test would come back positive - implying that she now had immunity.  alas, the covid-19 test was negative - not something you hear every day...

moral of the story: stay calm, stay positive.  there is a very good chance she doesn't have it.
Yeah, part of me hopes we both have it since hospitals are not currently slammed. Let’s get it out of the way. She is solid fucking miserable though. This does not look fun.

Jeez, I hope alll goes as well as can Julian.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2020, 06:57:55 pm
Promising drug to treat covid

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/sp-500-etf-jumps-2percent-after-hours-on-report-gilead-drug-showing-effectiveness-treating-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 17, 2020, 03:43:37 am
consider how much we don't know: infection rates (due to lack of testing), mortality rate, intensity of the outbreak (aka R0), distribution of immunity (antibodies), whether antibodies are even relevant with this disease, etc...  with so many squishy unknowns and tenuous assumptions, any wonder that the models' outputs change regularly?

well this potentially throws everything out the window with regards to our understanding of the disease:

CDC reviewing ‘stunning’ universal testing results from Boston homeless shelter (https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/15/boston-homeless-population-coronavirus-asymptomatic-universal-testing): "Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms."

either we need to reassess how much we know about covid-19, or we need a new test.

(edit: updated link)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 17, 2020, 09:31:13 am
consider how much we don't know: infection rates (due to lack of testing), mortality rate, intensity of the outbreak (aka R0), distribution of immunity (antibodies), whether antibodies are even relevant with this disease, etc...  with so many squishy unknowns and tenuous assumptions, any wonder that the models' outputs change regularly?

well this potentially throws everything out the window with regards to our understanding of the disease:

CDC reviewing ‘stunning’ universal testing results from Boston homeless shelter (https://forum.930.com/Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.): "Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms."


either we need to reassess how much we know about covid-19, or we need a new test.


your link died. all hail the new link:     https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/15/boston-homeless-population-coronavirus-asymptomatic-universal-testing          (https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/15/boston-homeless-population-coronavirus-asymptomatic-universal-testing)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 17, 2020, 09:44:49 am
your link died.
#covid-ed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 17, 2020, 10:01:22 am
this is so a few weeks ago, but I just found out about this
There are close to 100k employees/contractors (with a number being us citizens) stuck aboard these cruise ships
https://abcnews.go.com/US/90000-cruise-ship-crew-members-stuck-sea-amid/story?id=70057005

My disgust for the industry (and honestly the people who use these) is pretty high.
But I do feel for these employees

Saw this and just kinda blew me away.
I have a dancer friend that works on a Royal Caribbean ship. He has been stuck on the ship for 64 days. They won’t let crew members off. The U.S. Consulate can’t help. They denied entry in Shangai, South Korea, Manila, Hong Kong. Everyone is healthy. Company severed his contract.

On a side note....a great Twilight Zone episode would be
Julian, on a dare from some internet forum, get's passage on the Frank Turner 3 day cruise...then Covid-19 happens and he's stuck there for 6 months...someone finish this story
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 17, 2020, 10:49:49 am
Julian, on a dare from some internet forum, get's passage on the Frank Turner 3 day cruise...then Covid-19 happens and he's stuck there for 6 months...someone finish this story
Frank plays the same 5 songs every night to entertain the trapped guests and spends 12 hours a day instagramming and livejournalling about what a dynamic, bold and brave leader he is as a result during this time of crisis.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 17, 2020, 10:54:38 am
Julian, on a dare from some internet forum, get's passage on the Frank Turner 3 day cruise...then Covid-19 happens and he's stuck there for 6 months...someone finish this story
Frank plays the same 5 songs every night to entertain the trapped guests and spends 12 hours a day instagramming and livejournalling about what a dynamic, bold and brave leader he is as a result during this time of crisis.

And by day 10, Jules is a convert, and self-tattoos FTHC on each of his knuckles using only his hairdye and a heated lobster antennae. Day 11, Jules sings "Just give me one fine day of plain sailing weather and I can fuck up anything, anything." so many times in a row that the rest of the passengers murder him and feast on his flesh, leaving aside only the knuckles.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 17, 2020, 11:11:09 am
Julian, on a dare from some internet forum, get's passage on the Frank Turner 3 day cruise...then Covid-19 happens and he's stuck there for 6 months...someone finish this story
Frank plays the same 5 songs every night to entertain the trapped guests and spends 12 hours a day instagramming and livejournalling about what a dynamic, bold and brave leader he is as a result during this time of crisis.

And by day 10, Jules is a convert, and self-tattoos FTHC on each of his knuckles using only his hairdye and a heated lobster antennae. Day 11, Jules sings "Just give me one fine day of plain sailing weather and I can fuck up anything, anything." so many times in a row that the rest of the passengers murder him and feast on his flesh, leaving aside only the knuckles.


LoL
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 17, 2020, 11:13:57 am
using only his hairdye
Mine of Frank's?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 17, 2020, 11:20:34 am
using only his hairdye
Mine of Frank's?

So you admit it!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 17, 2020, 11:34:01 am
using only his hairdye
Mine of Frank's?

So you admit it!
(https://i.imgur.com/71CKF2p.png)
(https://frinkiac.com/video/S07E05/ISOS8e6Ox5-Uz7GomHJ7pp2N0Mo=.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 17, 2020, 04:45:02 pm
...in which Heilung demonstrates appropriate social distancing:

https://youtu.be/64CACoHNBEI

Is that a potato they're eating at the beginning?  I think its a potato!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 17, 2020, 05:35:43 pm
...in which Heilung demonstrates appropriate social distancing:

https://youtu.be/64CACoHNBEI

how fucking disappointing.  the video is with heilung the band, not heilung the boardee.  complete waste of time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 17, 2020, 07:27:25 pm
Georgia Sen. Kelly Loeffler's latest attempt to deflect attention from her seven-figure stock sell-off just a month before the stock market collapsed because of impacts from the coronavirus may be her most creative yet. In short: It's socialism -- or something.

Here's what the Georgia Republican senator said on Fox News Friday:

"This was a political attack designed to take away from the issue at hand. And to use this outbreak to play politics. We have addressed this and taken extraordinary measures to make sure that we can't be attacked for our success. This gets at the very heart of why I came to Washington, to defend free enterprise, to defend capitalism. This is a socialist attack. We have taken extraordinary measures, and I am focused solely on working for Georgians. I have been doing that seven days a week, around the clock. And it's my honor to be here and serve, and that's why I stepped out of the private sector."

Continued: Kelly Loeffler just blamed socialism for her coronavirus stock sell-off (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/politics/kelly-loeffler-stock-coronavirus/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 17, 2020, 08:17:37 pm
Yeah, she knows she's in a shitload of trouble.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 17, 2020, 08:23:50 pm
Asshat on Faux News claims some of the offensive symbolism at the Michigan protest were displayed ironically...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 17, 2020, 11:42:26 pm
were displayed ironically...
How does one display the confederate flag ironically ?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 17, 2020, 11:47:08 pm
were displayed ironically...
How does one display the confederate flag ironically ?
Maybe like an afterhours, African-American NASA employees bar trivia team. They could rock a little stars and bars for reasons none of us think they me a.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on April 18, 2020, 05:11:08 am
Hey...it's is every rich Americans right to cheat and/or take advantage of the system to line their pockets, and by the grace and blessing of God (the real one), she is going to fight for that right to (Republican) party.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 18, 2020, 10:17:17 am
Trump’s ‘LIBERATE MICHIGAN!’ tweets incite insurrection. That’s illegal. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/17/liberate-michigan-trump-constitution/)

Lock him up!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 18, 2020, 10:21:19 am
He is trying to get us to a civil war

Slowly but surely we are getting there
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 18, 2020, 10:22:40 am
were displayed ironically...
How does one display the confederate flag ironically ?
This is ironic... right?
Stephen moore
“I call these people the modern-day Rosa Parks — they are protesting against injustice and a loss of liberties.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 18, 2020, 02:33:56 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/93519811_10219755620072765_6186189461131362304_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=9VDougYgH0QAX-r9BE6&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=bdd15c6efc858c674b21e0e3d1e19dea&oe=5EC2C1FA)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 18, 2020, 08:15:56 pm
Well the first day of online school is cancelled because kids started spamming the site with porn and racist garbage and dick pics in their avatars. What a great country we live in. Instead of making the day up tomorrow (they have half their classes on Wed and half on Fri, so one 45 min session per week), they're just skipping it and starting Friday.
this is how it was framed on WTOP
Fairfax County Public Schools canceled all teacher-led instruction for the rest of the day amid widespread technical issues preventing students from accessing distance learning tools.
I liked your version better


For many in Fairfax, the first day of distance learning quickly descended into chaos.
One AP Environmental Science class group chat filled with messages such as, “F--- you, yiu smell like gay.” Users joined a German class populated with usernames including “I LOVE ADOLF HITLER” and “OVEN SURVIVOR #2.”
Adams, of the Fairfax Education Association, said she heard reports of users exposing their genitals and students forming private group chats to bully peers.
One 10th-grade teacher recounted a typical fiasco: Fifteen minutes in, someone entered his virtual classroom with a username including the n-word. The teacher removed the user, but the person kept rejoining.
The teacher tried to keep the lesson going but lost hope when the user began blaring loud music with obscene lyrics.
“It was incredibly embarrassing,” the teacher said. “As a teacher, it’s all about showing your students you have things under control.”
“If you don’t have any control,” he said, “how are you supposed to teach?”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-schools-online-learning-blackboard/2020/04/18/3db6b19c-80b5-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 18, 2020, 08:47:31 pm
Well the first day of online school is cancelled because kids started spamming the site with porn and racist garbage and dick pics in their avatars. What a great country we live in. Instead of making the day up tomorrow (they have half their classes on Wed and half on Fri, so one 45 min session per week), they're just skipping it and starting Friday.
this is how it was framed on WTOP
Fairfax County Public Schools canceled all teacher-led instruction for the rest of the day amid widespread technical issues preventing students from accessing distance learning tools.
I liked your version better


For many in Fairfax, the first day of distance learning quickly descended into chaos.
One AP Environmental Science class group chat filled with messages such as, “F--- you, yiu smell like gay.” Users joined a German class populated with usernames including “I LOVE ADOLF HITLER” and “OVEN SURVIVOR #2.”
Adams, of the Fairfax Education Association, said she heard reports of users exposing their genitals and students forming private group chats to bully peers.
One 10th-grade teacher recounted a typical fiasco: Fifteen minutes in, someone entered his virtual classroom with a username including the n-word. The teacher removed the user, but the person kept rejoining.
The teacher tried to keep the lesson going but lost hope when the user began blaring loud music with obscene lyrics.
“It was incredibly embarrassing,” the teacher said. “As a teacher, it’s all about showing your students you have things under control.”
“If you don’t have any control,” he said, “how are you supposed to teach?”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-schools-online-learning-blackboard/2020/04/18/3db6b19c-80b5-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html
Guys, I had a good reason for doing all of this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2020, 12:10:23 am
Well the first day of online school is cancelled
this is how it was framed on WTOP
Fairfax County Public Schools canceled
I liked your version better
Guys, I had a good reason for doing all of this.
This story is the gift that keeps giving
Wapo had my favorite version so far, would be fun to get yet another take on this.

Jules, was your screen name ironic?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on April 19, 2020, 01:33:23 pm
Yeah, she knows she's in a shitload of trouble.

Who's gonna do anything about it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2020, 05:26:13 pm
Micky-d's doing their part during covid
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV-vEhaU0AAZLjO?format=jpg&name=small)
So do you get a 4-way if you supersize it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2020, 07:03:56 pm
Wreckless Eric Tests Positive for COVID-19
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2020, 10:51:38 pm
(https://scontent.fphl2-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93803317_10219970745172575_3129489123790815232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=1CShXIdiljsAX_M6ecl&_nc_ht=scontent.fphl2-4.fna&oh=b5d1e5df82b32b499511a2a5dd03fb44&oe=5EC37024)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 20, 2020, 06:15:05 am
In Israel...protest with social distancing
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/israel.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1286)
More than 2,000 protesters involved in the “Black Flag” movement
What's the possibility that Greg Ginn is going to sue
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 20, 2020, 08:42:48 am
In Israel...protest with social distancing
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/israel.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1286)
More than 2,000 protesters involved in the “Black Flag” movement
What's the possibility that Greg Ginn is going to sue
Man, cannot decide if I want to make a combover joke or a Trump's inauguration joke.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 20, 2020, 09:56:26 am
(https://assets.atlasobscura.com/article_images/36679/image.jpg)

Betcha Kellogg's is glad they discontinued this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 20, 2020, 11:11:39 am
Maryland is concerning

Nearly 100 dead yesterday...like 900 new infections
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 20, 2020, 11:27:48 am
Its Monday. Numbers are always higher on Monday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 20, 2020, 11:51:46 am
Ok but Maryland had 96 deaths and Virginia 23


Not sure where the deaths are but it’s not good

MD is climbing up the list of states in terms of infections...it passed Washington state this weekend

I wonder if most MD deaths and infections are in Montgomery County and Prince George’s

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 20, 2020, 12:13:17 pm
Maryland is concerning

Nearly 100 dead yesterday...like 900 new infections

Where are you getting 100 dead for Maryland yesterday? This says 23:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Maryland's peak death day is today:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/maryland

Virginia's peak death day is April 25:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/virginia

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 20, 2020, 12:20:09 pm
That’s where I am getting it

Can’t you read a chart?

It says 96 new deaths for Maryland ...obviously if reported at 9 am it’s the deaths that happened yesterday
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 20, 2020, 12:30:38 pm
how hasn't anyone remixed Paul Hardcastle's "19"? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM)

19, 19, co-co-co-co-co-covid 19....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 20, 2020, 12:32:56 pm
Maryland's projected peak death day is today:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/maryland (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/maryland)

Virginia's projected peak death day is April 25:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/virginia (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/virginia)


FTFY
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 20, 2020, 12:43:58 pm
That’s where I am getting it

Can’t you read a chart?

It says 96 new deaths for Maryland ...obviously if reported at 9 am it’s the deaths that happened yesterday

Those charts are based on GMT, which is four hours ahead of us. I've always just assumed the numbers are for deaths reported TODAY, and they update the numbers throughout the day. Maybe the 96 you're seeing for today is a bit high whereas the 23 for the previous day was a bit low. Maybe some of the previous day's deaths didn't get reported until today. That seems more likely that a one day jump from 23 to 96.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Vas Deferens on April 20, 2020, 01:17:52 pm
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/coronavirus-maryland-governor-larry-hogan-covid-19-testing-announcement/32209117
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 20, 2020, 03:12:29 pm
My wife's results came back negative which is borderline incredible to me because she is on day four of a fever over 100, a constant cough, and body aches that ramp up dramatically overnight. I wonder how accurate these tests are. Maybe she just has a weird, random post-Easter flu?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 20, 2020, 03:35:18 pm
My sister took the test during a long low grade fever where she was freaking out she had the virus

Anyways came back negative and she said 30% are false negatives..not sure if this is true...I don’t think she had covid19

I hope your wife feels better soon
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 20, 2020, 03:45:45 pm
My wife's results came back negative which is borderline incredible to me because she is on day four of a fever over 100, a constant cough, and body aches that ramp up dramatically overnight. I wonder how accurate these tests are. Maybe she just has a weird, random post-Easter flu?

She'll have to wait like me for the anti-bodies test when it comes out and then when they say "you've already have the infection" she'll say "I fuckin' knew it."

If it's any consolation, other than a slight chest restriction, I've felt pretty good since my few days of hell (over two weeks ago now).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 20, 2020, 03:52:13 pm
She'll have to wait like me for the anti-bodies test when it comes out and then when they say "you've already have the infection" she'll say "I fuckin' knew it."
Yep, this is exactly what I told her. Stay inside and talk to no one and XX months from now when we have reliable antibody tests, I'll put dinner on it coming back positive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 20, 2020, 03:53:27 pm
Anyways came back negative and she said 30% are false negatives..not sure if this is true...I don’t think she had covid19

I hope your wife feels better soon
Thanks. Just read something that showed a (relative small sample size) test done in China and the nasal swaps were only hitting at like 73% accuracy in a known-COVID group. WHO KNOWS?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 20, 2020, 04:25:57 pm
So many retards

https://twitter.com/i/events/1252046641688788995?fbclid=IwAR2R7gxJYHWFIbvxod7ruwS6Dr98BEYsLHSDkbEutIU7ejaCR3LPHNtv0Hg
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 20, 2020, 04:34:23 pm
So many retards

https://twitter.com/i/events/1252046641688788995?fbclid=IwAR2R7gxJYHWFIbvxod7ruwS6Dr98BEYsLHSDkbEutIU7ejaCR3LPHNtv0Hg
I think we refer to those with MAGA hats as intellectually challenged
seems they are going to need our sympathy more than our distaste

While I agree these people are idiots and putting others at risk...these rallies are a few hundred people and the news is showering them with attention (which they love and need)
it's not like the 20K people who showed up armed for the 'gun rally' in richmond
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 20, 2020, 05:16:16 pm
 " Gov Kemp announced that gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians and massage therapists can reopen their doors on Friday — as long as owners follow strict social distancing and hygiene requirements."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 20, 2020, 05:18:55 pm
Heard Hogan’s press conference and boy did he step up, with that deal with South Korea for testing kits.  Meanwhile in GA...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 20, 2020, 05:26:43 pm
Let’s wait and see...the feds may intercept them and steal them
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 20, 2020, 06:12:09 pm
fyi, kemp = GA.  i had to look it up...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 20, 2020, 06:28:12 pm
fyi, kemp = GA.  i had to look it up...
You know, for all people rag on Georgia, it was super bold of them to elect hilarious obese former basketball star and father of a multitude of children, Shawn Kemp, as their governor.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 21, 2020, 08:16:19 am
Meme game particularly strong at the moment

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFTfKxUwAMSWFF?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFThJeU0AIUJdM?format=jpg&name=small)

Also a list of libertarian trading cards

https://twitter.com/CallieGontheT/status/1252426590341881862?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 21, 2020, 12:44:02 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94127703_10156870104131510_21717467772485632_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQnnl0OtEWidXeQKN9pgkqs0tsAONXpBHGh6uJrezBLLUtRlHnfIuVG9cUKoFhodUyA&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=9ad8acf3f97e75fbadde165f1ede0aba&oe=5EC30F8F)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2020, 04:50:13 pm
A new analysis found that 11% of veterans with Covid-19 died when they received standard care — but the death rate rose to 28% when they were also given hydroxychloroquine, the malaria drug touted by Trump
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2020, 05:22:33 pm
These GOP idiots are in a death cultTX Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who said "There are more important things than living,"

A gathering of covidiots is known as a covfefe.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 21, 2020, 06:50:29 pm
That's not quite "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!"  now is it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2020, 07:03:45 pm
Give me Libety or give me trannys
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2020, 07:16:10 pm
Again with the trannys
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2020, 11:59:28 pm
first FDA approved test (https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/21/21229273/home-coronavirus-test-labcorp-fda-ppe-swab-pixel-health-care) at-home kits (https://www.pixel.labcorp.com/at-home-test-kits/covid-19-test) availble starting today
$119 and just send it to LabCorp
says it will give first access to health care workers and first responders.
not sure how many of these they could make, but the could just give everyone $1100 and one of these
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2020, 12:31:18 am
apple & google combine forces to track you and the virus (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/04/apple-and-google-partner-on-covid-19-contact-tracing-technology/)
Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) sent letters to Apple and Google on Tuesday urging the tech giants to make their CEOs personally liable for data collected in their joint coronavirus contact-tracing project.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 22, 2020, 08:55:11 am
Please God no.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-pandemic-brings-bens-chili-bowl-iconic-dc/story?id=70243517
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2020, 09:54:21 am
That sucks

Then you read about loans going to Shake Shack?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 22, 2020, 09:55:08 am
Please God no.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-pandemic-brings-bens-chili-bowl-iconic-dc/story?id=70243517
I feel like if you've ever ate at Ben's Chili Bowl and are still alive, you have COVID antibody protection already.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 22, 2020, 09:55:25 am
Then you read about loans going to Shake Shack?
To be fair, they gave it back, if I am not mistaken.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2020, 10:21:46 am
Then you read about loans going to Shake Shack?
To be fair, they gave it back, if I am not mistaken.
only because they got bad press...Ruth Chris and Fogo d C not yet
but these really should have been means-tested, if you are a publicly-traded company, you are not a small business
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 22, 2020, 10:27:48 am
Please God no.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-pandemic-brings-bens-chili-bowl-iconic-dc/story?id=70243517
I feel like if you've ever ate at Ben's Chili Bowl and are still alive, you have COVID antibody protection already.

At this point in my life, I maybe go there once a year but from 2002 to 2010, it was a staple in my #beachbody life.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2020, 12:15:29 pm
Obviously it’s a landmark/ historic place at this point

Am sure someone will step in to help...


Check this out

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0z_jylSOx7NwMkMhmhQapVFWbw5op0cwkCtWJwzW8Si8r6FeIgmK3UvzY
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 22, 2020, 01:30:21 pm
A disturbing new study suggests Sean Hannity helped spread the coronavirus

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/22/21229360/coronavirus-covid-19-fox-news-sean-hannity-misinformation-death?fbclid=IwAR2QBL6kWbAQ6uX_fb6asN958nsVToBtGZHItAS_CdL7s7EbUcSNkux0HZU
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2020, 02:21:01 pm
So do we think we can get the funds together to get a Hazmat suit for Jules to attend.  Gotta imagine you've got no plans 4/24
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVpdtheXYAIa7ta?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 22, 2020, 02:44:41 pm
So do we think we can get the funds together to get a Hazmat suit for Jules to attend.  Gotta imagine you've got no plans 4/24
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVpdtheXYAIa7ta?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Another similar group tried this today and it was all of 25 people driving around in a square honking their horns repeatedly.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 22, 2020, 02:50:27 pm
So do we think we can get the funds together to get a Hazmat suit for Jules to attend.  Gotta imagine you've got no plans 4/24
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVpdtheXYAIa7ta?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Another similar group tried this today and it was all of 25 people driving around in a square honking their horns repeatedly.

So why is media giving so much attention to these types if their numbers are so low?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 22, 2020, 02:58:34 pm
So do we think we can get the funds together to get a Hazmat suit for Jules to attend.  Gotta imagine you've got no plans 4/24
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVpdtheXYAIa7ta?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Another similar group tried this today and it was all of 25 people driving around in a square honking their horns repeatedly.

So why is media giving so much attention to these types if their numbers are so low?
Because people want to talk about it, probably.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 22, 2020, 04:37:19 pm
what the hell do they mean by "...and do not touch your face can resume"??  have people stopped washing their hands?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 22, 2020, 04:40:48 pm
So why is media giving so much attention to these types if their numbers are so low?
Because people want to talk about it, probably.

because it's sensational.  either you're pro-protesters, in which case you think "yeay, finally!"; or you're anti-protester and you think "what a bunch of idiots".  either way, you can't look away so you watch the news story, or click the link, view the video - which is the point of media companies, innit?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 22, 2020, 04:51:05 pm
WHO is reporting there is no evidence to believe once you’ve had COVID you are “immune” to it again. And if that turns out to be the case, bunker in, folks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 22, 2020, 05:23:19 pm
 Carolyn Goodman, the mayor of Las Vegas is having a moment.  i believe she's the covidiot of the day.

she wants to reopen casinos and let the virus and market forces determine which ones should close once there is an outbreak: "Assume everybody is a carrier," the mayor told MSNBC's Katy Tur on Tuesday. "And then you start from an even slate. And tell the people what to do. And let the businesses open and competition will destroy that business if, in fact, they become evident that they have disease, they're closed down. It's that simple."

then, she had the most bonkers interview with Anderson Cooper:
story on Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/anderson-cooper-las-vegas-mayor-cnn-interview-2020-4) (lots of short clips)
story on CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics/las-vegas-mayor-social-distancing-cnntv/index.html) (only one video clip unfortunately, but it's a good one)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 23, 2020, 01:58:24 am
33 Signs From "Reopen" Protests Across The U.S. That Are 100% Real (https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/signs-from-covid-19-reopen-protests-across)

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2020-04/20/18/asset/c80fa3ad0857/sub-buzz-1920-1587407591-13.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2020, 08:14:31 am
^is it weird that I'm impressed he spelled everything correctly

That is a great (and scary) compilation of photos

...but not sure why this guy is a problem
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2020-04/20/19/asset/96b509a740eb/sub-buzz-4048-1587411088-15.jpg?downsize=800:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 23, 2020, 09:18:28 am
Already knew this but more “evidence”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/coronavirus-ventilator-patients-die/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2020, 10:06:12 am
Bartiromo on 4.4 million unemployment claims this week: "This is not much more than the expectations, we were expecting 4.2 mil, but there were some estimates out there that were even more dreadful. So, there is one argument to be made that it's not as bad as some people thought"

I guess that is an argument with reality or sanity?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 23, 2020, 10:32:57 am
For Space

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/fairfax-county-distance-learning-failures-blackboard/65-8cd84749-4512-4ee4-911f-fb2d75124927?fbclid=IwAR0P0qIBN3jrScjITbDjt2dlDQLdhhoBYtSlHDFHkihQ1nx3k8AxBTyqVvw?fbclid=IwAR0P0qIBN3jrScjITbDjt2dlDQLdhhoBYtSlHDFHkihQ1nx3k8AxBTyqVvw
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 23, 2020, 12:24:35 pm
...but not sure why this guy is a problem
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2020-04/20/19/asset/96b509a740eb/sub-buzz-4048-1587411088-15.jpg?downsize=800:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto)

psychedelics might get me to finally understand their point of view, so, yeah, don't see what the problem is there.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 23, 2020, 01:05:00 pm
For Space

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/fairfax-county-distance-learning-failures-blackboard/65-8cd84749-4512-4ee4-911f-fb2d75124927?fbclid=IwAR0P0qIBN3jrScjITbDjt2dlDQLdhhoBYtSlHDFHkihQ1nx3k8AxBTyqVvw?fbclid=IwAR0P0qIBN3jrScjITbDjt2dlDQLdhhoBYtSlHDFHkihQ1nx3k8AxBTyqVvw

Really, really, really disappointing. How is APS doing?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 23, 2020, 01:52:30 pm
13.9% of New Yorkers test positive for antibodies with a death rate of 0.5%.

That's five times as deadly as the flu, but still seems like good news.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-updates-american-red-cross-antibody-tests-id/story?id=70301746
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 23, 2020, 01:53:46 pm
Do the antibodies protect you? Is that confirmed?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 23, 2020, 01:56:28 pm
Edit: that 0.5% does not factor in those who died at home...so higher than that but seemingly still  under 1% maybe?

I don't think anything regarding antibodies=immunity has been concluded.

The good news seems to be the morality rate seemingly being lower than once thought.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 23, 2020, 04:06:38 pm
More good news.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1253365625352867841
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 23, 2020, 06:29:08 pm
As a labradoodle owner, I think this was a wonderful choice. It also sounds like an Onion story.

Special Report: Former Labradoodle breeder was tapped to lead U.S. pandemic task force

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hhschief-speci/special-report-hhs-chief-azar-had-aide-former-dog-breeder-steer-pandemic-task-force-idUSKCN2243CE?fbclid=IwAR2syMxML2KDVNlAZG1pS7tqpiuNeSVOLxXRMfR3INloO8xERi5iqtn0JtE
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2020, 06:39:23 pm
man, I feel like I heard about that story and possibly being good for the Onion on this board not too long ago

https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=22097.msg500739#new

Although I'm thinking some of you have me blocked ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 23, 2020, 06:43:21 pm
As a labradoodle owner

Say no more.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2020, 07:38:09 pm
As a labradoodle owner

Say no more.
actually, say more, I'm bored as shit
just annoyed that I had the scoop on that story in the right thread...and space gets all the attention
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2020, 07:46:42 pm
So word on the street is Trump thinks Peter Hook's band will be an effective treament?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 23, 2020, 07:51:54 pm
Well the New Order failed despite the Joy Division so I am not sure the Light can succeed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 24, 2020, 01:36:48 pm
The OC is going to be so screwed.....

A California city filled its skate park with sand to deter skateboarders. Then the dirt bikes showed up. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/skate-park-sand-venice-san-clemente-trnd/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 24, 2020, 01:41:35 pm
The OC is going to be so screwed.....

A California city filled its skate park with sand to deter skateboarders. Then the dirt bikes showed up. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/skate-park-sand-venice-san-clemente-trnd/index.html)
Dirtbikes have that mad max vibe...they need to work on their outfits
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 24, 2020, 02:09:14 pm
So word on the street is Trump thinks Peter Hook's band will be an effective treatment?
I've always been bad at spotting sarcasm...
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1253740350683770880
Trump: It was said sarcastically.

So I will accept full blame for spreading this false narrative

Forget the bleach, let's talk about your companies debt to china, or how about those cases that are showing up at the SCOTUS in a few weeks?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 24, 2020, 04:24:27 pm
spotted in a Georgia bowling alley today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWYqiU3UEAA4q6z?format=jpg&name=large)


this was pretty good too
@OfficiallyIce
I just wanna point out that “The Walking Dead” started in Georgia....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2020, 10:25:49 am
I've felt this since early on.  We have no idea what the real rate of infection/mortality is.  Crap data in->crap results/analysis

Mostly because we still don't have a test that produces highly consistent results.  Add to that the asymptomatic...
As well as we have no way to verify the reliability of some of these numbers

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-case-counts-are-meaningless/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2020, 10:45:16 am
I don’t believe the numbers - taken with other numbers- are useless

They help indicate trends, etc

They do correlate with deaths

Look at New York and come back and tell me the number of cases means nothing

But they don’t mean everything

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2020, 11:01:00 am
I don’t believe the numbers - taken with other numbers- are useless

They help indicate trends, etc

They do correlate with deaths

Look at New York and come back and tell me the number of cases means nothing

But they don’t mean everything
Yeah this is the correct take. The numbers aren't gospel but they're not meaningless at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2020, 11:48:25 am
I didn't say they were useless, but I do feel they are not accurate.
and accuracy is important

Even how they are classifying deaths is not consistent, I just think everyone is an armchair expert based on the numbers that keep coming out
I think the numbers are flawed, so reliable analysis, well isn't reliable

Are they indicators, are they helping...yes for sure
but everyone is stating things as concrete facts on how many have tested positive and we know that there is a high false-positive rate (so that number could be WAAAY higher)
So how can we then say all the deaths are a direct result of corona, when the tests are not accurate

I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I knew that testing was providing much less false positives
And even if one came out this week...that doesn't correct all the data we have


I'm not a Dr (although I play one on the internet)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2020, 12:29:23 pm
More comfortable about what?

It really doesn’t matter if the number is accurate

How could it be accurate unless everyone got tested everyday?


We know we have millions of infected people and probably about 80,000

Americans who have died from covid related stuff so far and where it not for mitigation this number would be in the hundreds of thousands to millions

What else you need to know?

I guess I am not following you

In any case since Republicans want to ignore the issue not sure what accurate numbers would do for us...



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 27, 2020, 01:36:34 pm
Ben Folds follows President Taylor Swift in decided to just cancel all 2020 events.

A Word About 2020.

This is the official announcement that my touring for 2020 is now canceled and will be rescheduled at the first opportunity in 2021. That’s the important part, but if you’re interested, here’s why I’ve made that decision now:

Infectious disease specialists tell us that COVID-19 will be here for a while, swirling around the globe until it is stopped by a vaccine, and that it is astronomically unlikely that we will develop and distribute that vaccine this year. In fact, we have never before developed a successful vaccine against any coronavirus. Well. That’s all I really need to know.

Just leaving shows on the books, going with wait-and-see until the last minute is not in the best interest of ticket buyers, promoters, crew and even businesses near venues. It just adds to our endless list of uncertainties. What is needed in a time of such uncertainty, when a historic pandemic is killing people, erasing jobs, and disrupting life as we know it, is to shed as much of that uncertainty as possible, and to take stock of that which is certain.

Health and safety come first. That is certain. The well-being of my audiences – from 12-year olds whose parents cover their ears when I forget not to cuss, to couples their grandparent’s age singing three-part harmonies – is too dear to me to be put at risk. Not to mention those whose paths we might cross once the show lets out. Until this virus is in the rear view - and again we’re told this will not be in 2020 - we cannot be certain large gatherings won’t re-ignite the spread just as it’s been contained. I’m sure that some cities, states and venues might technically allow our concerts much sooner than others. But remember that the USA is a massive country. One city may experience what seems like complete recovery just as another in a neighboring state is seeing an uptick in cases. It would be irresponsible to incentivize music fans to travel from where there was a cancelled show in an infected area, to attend a show in an infection-free area.

Our federal government leaders have decided to let the states and cities fend for themselves, making decisions like these all more stressful. It’s a little like when traffic lights are out during a storm. (Nobody ever complained of the government coming between them and a car accident, did they?) Absent clear direction, we’re all left to rely on what the car ahead of us did, hoping that nobody gets run over in the process. Honestly, absent federal guidance, I took my cue from Taylor Swift who also cancelled all her touring for 2020. A decision like that takes guts, so thank you President Swift. And I’m grateful to have a booking agent, manager, and crew with broad shoulders.

Of course, this is a huge disappointment to me personally. I’ve never gone a whole year in my two decades plus as a performer without seeing you all from the stage regularly.

Here’s what I say. Let’s get through this and look forward to a time when we can begin the next phase of that long road to recovery. When we can party like it’s 2021 and not like it’s 1918. When we can sing those three-part harmonies with healthy lungs. That is when live music will be able to step in and do its part to heal and inspire. Until then, please stay safe, and remember, no matter how bad it gets, the most comforting certainty is that all this too shall pass.

Ben
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2020, 01:39:26 pm
This really should have gone in the live thread
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 27, 2020, 01:48:47 pm
This really should have gone in the live thread

Maybe in the Just Cancelled thread. The Live thread is more for the Live Streaming stuff happening.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2020, 01:56:04 pm
It clearly needed to go in the 2024 thread as it is calling for Taylor Swift to run for the Presidency as soon as she's eligible.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 27, 2020, 04:09:34 pm
It clearly needed to go in the 2024 thread as it is calling for Taylor Swift to run for the Presidency as soon as she's eligible.

But her emails!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 28, 2020, 01:10:05 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94615547_10156895069456510_3591983923917225984_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_oc=AQmnpkdfJJlEqeuPXyZw9N8mD5zY653YhQSMlKtE-pSsqDJGx08UhNT3RPMculTt5bE&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=0e028dcd00406e5d5a92f77750edb5b6&oe=5ECD0671) 

we hit one million cases of COVID-19 in the US.

one million.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 28, 2020, 05:31:43 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94889760_10220058507766585_5666898846706302976_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=xBR4-oOOeVMAX9NQas5&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=076d8ebb4367a5e1e8ff1aed1792e109&oe=5ECD4E3D)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 28, 2020, 05:59:14 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94889760_10220058507766585_5666898846706302976_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=xBR4-oOOeVMAX9NQas5&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=076d8ebb4367a5e1e8ff1aed1792e109&oe=5ECD4E3D)

(https://i.imgur.com/86ewaU8.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/Jqlmwrh    (https://imgur.com/a/Jqlmwrh)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 29, 2020, 03:30:11 pm
Well the first day of online school is cancelled because kids started spamming the site with porn and racist garbage and dick pics in their avatars. What a great country we live in. Instead of making the day up tomorrow (they have half their classes on Wed and half on Fri, so one 45 min session per week), they're just skipping it and starting Friday.
this is how it was framed on WTOP
Fairfax County Public Schools canceled all teacher-led instruction for the rest of the day amid widespread technical issues preventing students from accessing distance learning tools.
I liked your version better


For many in Fairfax, the first day of distance learning quickly descended into chaos.
One AP Environmental Science class group chat filled with messages such as, “F--- you, yiu smell like gay.” Users joined a German class populated with usernames including “I LOVE ADOLF HITLER” and “OVEN SURVIVOR #2.”
Adams, of the Fairfax Education Association, said she heard reports of users exposing their genitals and students forming private group chats to bully peers.
One 10th-grade teacher recounted a typical fiasco: Fifteen minutes in, someone entered his virtual classroom with a username including the n-word. The teacher removed the user, but the person kept rejoining.
The teacher tried to keep the lesson going but lost hope when the user began blaring loud music with obscene lyrics.
“It was incredibly embarrassing,” the teacher said. “As a teacher, it’s all about showing your students you have things under control.”
“If you don’t have any control,” he said, “how are you supposed to teach?”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-schools-online-learning-blackboard/2020/04/18/3db6b19c-80b5-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html

So it looks like the students of Fairfax have decided to take on NYC tip line
De Blasio’s social distancing tip line flooded with penis photos, Hitler memes  (https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/de-blasios-social-distancing-tip-line-flooded-with-obscenities/?)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 29, 2020, 03:40:33 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWy3peeXsAEyrgZ?format=jpg&name=medium)
This is for real and at the whitehouse gift store for $100
https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/covid-heroes.htm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 29, 2020, 05:17:14 pm
Marked down from $125  ::)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 29, 2020, 08:17:08 pm
I just don't know what really guides these people.....
from axios
Jonathan Swan@jonathanvswan
Per source familiar, Arthur Laffer and Stephen Moore, outside econ advisers to POTUS, sent a memo to the White House the states they believe will lead an economic recovery:

Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Nebraska, Nevada, South Carolina, Utah and Washington


is this the laughter curve?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 29, 2020, 08:23:01 pm
Dr. Laffer is on my company’s board and he’s a complete piece of shit in person the twice a year he has come here. He demands Ruth’s Chris for every lunch even if the rest of us are having something else delivered, we have to send a second person to get him one sad, massively overpriced steak.

He is also, literally, a person who has his assistant Nicholas write you an email and put “dictated but not read” after his closing salutation which is the most douchey thing imaginable.

Give me two years for the company to sell and I will amuse you all with so, so many Arthur Laffer tales.

One of the good things about COVID was it cancelled a speaking arrangement in DC/MoCo that he was going to do for us this month which I was going to have to sit through while he waxed nostalgic about Reagan in front of the olds.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 29, 2020, 08:33:02 pm
Dr. Laffer is on my company’s board and he’s a complete piece of shit in person the twice a year he has come here. He demands Ruth’s Chris for every lunch even if the rest of us are having something else delivered, we have to send a second person to get him one sad, massively overpriced steak.

He is also, literally, a person who has his assistant Nicholas write you an email and put “dictated but not read” after his closing salutation which is the most douchey thing imaginable.

Give me two years for the company to sell and I will amuse you all with so, so many Arthur Laffer tales.

One of the good things about COVID was it cancelled a speaking arrangement in DC/MoCo that he was going to do for us this month which I was going to have to sit through while he waxed nostalgic about Reagan in front of the olds.

Shit, I hope he doesn't read this message board.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 29, 2020, 08:53:29 pm
Shit, I hope he doesn't read this message board.
Zero risk

Although...we need to track down his assistant Nicholas as he might still be “dictating”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 29, 2020, 08:58:39 pm
Dr. Laffer is on my company’s board and he’s a complete piece of shit in person the twice a year he has come here. He demands Ruth’s Chris for every lunch even if the rest of us are having something else delivered, we have to send a second person to get him one sad, massively overpriced steak.

He is also, literally, a person who has his assistant Nicholas write you an email and put “dictated but not read” after his closing salutation which is the most douchey thing imaginable.

Give me two years for the company to sell and I will amuse you all with so, so many Arthur Laffer tales.

One of the good things about COVID was it cancelled a speaking arrangement in DC/MoCo that he was going to do for us this month which I was going to have to sit through while he waxed nostalgic about Reagan in front of the olds.

Shit, I hope he doesn't read this message board.
Unless he’s xneverwherex I think I’m OK.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 30, 2020, 11:20:02 am
GWAR Urge Fans to Drink Bleach, Praise Trump for Suggesting People Inject Disinfectants to Combat Coronavirus (https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/04/gwar-drink-bleach-praise-trump/)

"If you wanna stay safe from COVID-19, drink bleach, shoot it, smoke it"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 30, 2020, 11:40:38 am
GWAR Urge Fans to Drink Bleach, Praise Trump for Suggesting People Inject Disinfectants to Combat Coronavirus (https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/04/gwar-drink-bleach-praise-trump/)

"If you wanna stay safe from COVID-19, drink bleach, shoot it, smoke it"

It make sense as this has always been their stance...

With GWAR’s longstanding mission to destroy humankind,
drummer Jizmak Da Gusha gave Trump major kudos before describing different ways to ingest bleach in a new PSA:

“It was really great to hear our president in America say that it was ok to, y’know, use bleach as a cleaner, or as a drug. I mean, GWAR’s been using it as a drug forever, so, y’know, this is the stuff. You can inhale it, that’s a fun way. You can try to smoke it, shoot it. Obviously, drink it is the best. That’s what I like to do, just get the big old bottle and chug away! So if you wanna stay safe from COVID-19, drink bleach, shoot it, smoke it. Like I said before, GWAR does it all the ways.”



Although I have it on good authority that the band is still miffed that Julian survived.  From what I'm hearing, they are trying to rectify that
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 30, 2020, 11:47:54 am
Although I have it on good authority that the band is still miffed that Julian survived. 
I think they respect me for doing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 30, 2020, 01:34:04 pm
GWAR Urge Fans to Drink Bleach, Praise Trump for Suggesting People Inject Disinfectants to Combat Coronavirus (https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/04/gwar-drink-bleach-praise-trump/)

"If you wanna stay safe from COVID-19, drink bleach, shoot it, smoke it"

Mix it with ammonia and cure the whole damn room.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 30, 2020, 02:44:15 pm
Well this would be good news.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/coronavirus-outbreak/children-don-t-pass-covid-19-to-adults-report-indicates

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 30, 2020, 03:32:33 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/95385921_10156934903835178_4638069719058874368_n.png?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=da1649&_nc_oc=AQk5__oXirqXJKrx43Y2e0sk3crpSuxBLAZCGONqkcMkHc9LKT6wr86TAyzJK01CohY&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=f90f6573e34e5f3b3c84ddbfedb39662&oe=5ECFECEC)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 30, 2020, 04:25:24 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94867177_3048236721907884_7605192255673991168_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQlIs16ewUUcCrEz6R9vXKSvR9EUd5oM6dTMy4cp6Mp9wWCgAbf4NxVQBPW-1OWWAmA&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=0d5fb9dbd5fc9eff39a06c58655cac9d&oe=5ECF2EFE)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 30, 2020, 06:02:16 pm
I would be terrified if I worked in the Michigan State House

How is this OK the people show up armed to protest

I’m sorry but this Kind of activity should not be protected
this is insanity

I mean who is the stop one these guys accidentally shooting Off a round and then other people shoot up the place
100s dead because one idiot accidentally shot off a round

Then they say we are nazis when we think this behavior is insane
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 30, 2020, 06:18:58 pm
Seriously display of white privilege on display today.. WTF as you know all these asshats do is “hunt” and watch faux news doubt there is much culture in their lives
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2020, 07:32:24 pm
Gross
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on April 30, 2020, 07:45:51 pm
Want the government  stepping in to stop all of these people showing up with AK47s at court houses to demand the shut down be lifted?  Have them all be black people; oh it'll end real quick.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2020, 10:53:30 pm
Shit

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 01, 2020, 11:28:51 am
it's really great we have such a level headed penn ave resident who is now provided his rubber stamp for more cosplaying ignoramuses to take back their state capitols.  wtf is making a deal with them??? and you know that shit like that would never be said about a red state governor.  everyone of those protesters should have been lead away in zip tie handcuffs and charged with disturbing peace like every other peaceful protester seems to be treated.  so now we will  have more embolden idiots and it will probably not ended well, given you know how the drunk lady judge and the other personalities on faux news will be fanning the flames.  yes livid about how that was allowed to happen, etc.

/rant off

p.s this is result of far to much time on twitter, at least I have listening parties to keep me a bit sane.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 01, 2020, 05:36:35 pm
Not sure if this has changed...but MI has a great law where it's totally OK to bring automatic wepons with live amunition
but illegial to bring a sign
Bring your guns, leave your signs: Michigan Capitol rules in spotlight at Second Amendment rally (https://www.mlive.com/politics/2013/10/bring_your_guns_leave_your_sig.html)

Michigan State Police who work at the building regularly enforce the sign rule, but there is no rule or law preventing gun owners from carrying their weapons into the Capitol


This is going to end badly one of these days.  This is the 'hold my beer' crowd.  I really don't trust them at all to safely operate a firearm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 02, 2020, 12:36:30 am
Trump suggested today that Americans wash their hands with boiling water. When asked to comment, Dr. Birx said, “the President was just spitballing.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on May 03, 2020, 05:34:08 pm
Organizer Of North Carolina Anti-Lockdown Protests Tests Positive For COVID-19 (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/organizer-of-north-carolina-anti-lockdown-protests-tests-positive-for-covid-19-aaoJR4SmkUOKNIhZeitQcQ/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR0j7CYqpjc53kilktf1UqEiNvJNYvFnNQ6DXh8HAGghNAtAp4QAX_BFrFg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2020, 06:27:37 pm
Organizer Of North Carolina Anti-Lockdown Protests Tests Positive For COVID-19 (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/organizer-of-north-carolina-anti-lockdown-protests-tests-positive-for-covid-19-aaoJR4SmkUOKNIhZeitQcQ/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR0j7CYqpjc53kilktf1UqEiNvJNYvFnNQ6DXh8HAGghNAtAp4QAX_BFrFg)
I feel like this forum needs a Karma's a bitch thread
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 04, 2020, 10:10:27 am
Alison Mosshart (IG (https://www.instagram.com/p/B_wYvcjn8_m/))

"Another deadly storm ripped through Nashville today, seemingly out of nowhere on a sunny Sunday afternoon. 80 mile an hour winds and trees down, injuries, power lines mangled. 113k homes without juice in darkness here. Been living in quiet candle light for the last 10 hours or so contemplating the layers upon layers of coping going on in this country/world, how disaster, illness and inconvenience can pile up in mere minutes, all at once and just like that. The fortitude required or the madness almost- to deal - is humbling. As I stumble around the house to the tune of my vast unpreparedness, charging my phone in my car, engine running on a pitch black street and not a star in the sky, i am, just here. A blackout in a lockdown is an interesting twist. A psycho-comedy. We’re standing around laughing at walls. We look insane (probably) tho none of the mirrors in the house can confirm this. But I salute us as we try hard for better times with patience and humor and inventiveness. To the powers that be, I’m sending supremely positive vibes to a little boy named Judge tonight that got hurt here in nashville in the storm. Wishing for him a full recovery and wearing the sweater I made a few years back which coincidentally bears his name. Sending all my love and strength to him and his family and to all of you out there who are struggling and pulling your hair out- the 2020 haircut- so fashionable, so “now”- Stay safe, stay home, and wear yr masks when you go out, por favor and gracias from the bottom of my heart. Love and respect. X
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 04, 2020, 10:42:55 am
Shelly Colvin's son and husband were crushed by a tree in that freak storm yesterday, both in ICU. Awful.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 04, 2020, 02:16:07 pm
COVID deaths by age in VA, population 8.5 million. A majority of the deaths are people in nursing homes. Perhaps we should be quarantining nursing homes and their workers instead of everyone.

10-19 0
 20-29 2
 30-39 4
 40-49 16
 50-59 41
 60-69 115
 70-79 158
 80+ 348
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 04, 2020, 03:21:43 pm
I thought we already hashed this out dude, you are repeating yourself

You think you got a new angle here?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 04, 2020, 04:52:22 pm
COVID deaths by age in VA, population 8.5 million. A majority of the deaths are people in nursing homes. Perhaps we should be quarantining nursing homes and their workers instead of everyone.
No doubt, one phase at a time.
Nothing is going to change those people from being old and infirm and likely candidates for death by covid

also the virus knows know state borders...we are in the DMV
known coronavirus cases in the District, Maryland and Virginia was 51,070 on Monday for a total of 2,259 fatalities.

the initial lock down was to flatten the curve so everyone isn't at the ER at the same time

Va. governor extends widespread shutdown through May 14, says first phase of reopening could begin after that

also
Northam allowed doctors, dentists and veterinarians to resume elective procedures Friday, the first step in the greater capital region


So if you can convince your vet to give you a haircut...you should be in business
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 04, 2020, 09:47:02 pm
Yet another unexpected discovery:

French hospital discovers Covid-19 case from December (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/french-hospital-discovers-covid-19-case-december-retested)
Man found to have had virus a month before government confirmed first cases
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 04, 2020, 09:48:22 pm
wow, this just sounded like a deep fake
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1257482269092020224

"This, with this Militia look and long guns...ahhh NO.  Show of force is dangerous, it puts our police at risk"
-anti-gun hero, Sean Hannity

Here is my take...Brad Parscale felt that this look is bad for Trump's reelection and I bet you this is going to be the party line from the right-wing media and they are going to try from within to quell the fires they started

Not sure it will work
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 05, 2020, 07:35:18 am
Fat white people exercising their rights for boardwalk fries and dipping dots. At least space will have somewhere to go this summer.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ocean-city-to-reopen-beaches-boardwalk-on-may-9-officials.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 05, 2020, 08:29:33 am
Fat white people exercising their rights for boardwalk fries and dipping dots. At least space will have somewhere to go this summer.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ocean-city-to-reopen-beaches-boardwalk-on-may-9-officials.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Don't act so self-righteous. You'll be going places this summer, too. If club shows start back up, all of you will be at one in less than two weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 05, 2020, 09:08:42 am
I thought we talked about this?


I ain’t going to any shows for the foreseeable future unless it’s Neil Young


Missing concerts is not the same thing as disregarding advice  from medical professionals


I am bummed about the Kraftwerk show being cancelled as I think it will be
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 05, 2020, 09:29:20 am
Fat white people exercising their rights for boardwalk fries and dipping dots. At least space will have somewhere to go this summer.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ocean-city-to-reopen-beaches-boardwalk-on-may-9-officials.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Don't act so self-righteous. You'll be going places this summer, too. If club shows start back up, all of you will be at one in less than two weeks.

I am not so sure about that Dr. Spaceman. I am trying to figure out if/when I will even see my soon to be 80 year old mom in NY again. Am hoping that show-going is a thing again by December.

Also, here's a compilation of some Dr. Spaceman clips from 30 Rock.

  https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216   (https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 05, 2020, 09:38:38 am
Fat white people exercising their rights for boardwalk fries and dipping dots. At least space will have somewhere to go this summer.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ocean-city-to-reopen-beaches-boardwalk-on-may-9-officials.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Don't act so self-righteous. You'll be going places this summer, too. If club shows start back up, all of you will be at one in less than two weeks.

I am not so sure about that Dr. Spaceman. I am trying to figure out if/when I will even see my soon to be 80 year old mom in NY again. Am hoping that show-going is a thing again by December.

Also, here's a compilation of some Dr. Spaceman clips from 30 Rock.

  https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216   (https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216)

Assuming our West Coast family vacation is postponed, I'm planning on driving to upstate NY in June/July to visit my 79 yo mom and brother.

You'll probably have to fly to a Red State to see a concert in December.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 05, 2020, 10:12:25 am
If you're feeling generous... This puts shit into perspective. From my child's school listserv.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is a 5th-grade student in Montgomery County who is undergoing chemotherapy.  At the beginning of April, after not feeling well for several days, her mother suddenly and unexpectedly died. The girl is living in an apartment with her aunt, uncle, and two cousins and all are grieving the loss of their family member. Due to COVID-19, the aunt and uncle are now unemployed, so there is no money coming in and food supply is running low. In addition, the family does not have a car, but does need to get the girl to the hospital for chemotherapy treatments.

The PTA, MCPS, and her Delegates & district council members are engaged to find resources for this family at this very difficult time. However, in the interim, emergency support is needed. We are trying to raise money to pay for their rent, utilities, and nutritious foods for the aunt, uncle, cousins, and young girl while the student is undergoing chemotherapy to alleviate some of the financial stress that they are currently experiencing.

Identity, an organization that provides case management and support for families who live in high-poverty areas of Montgomery County, has graciously agreed to direct funds to this family through their LIFT Fund if designated as such. Donors can make a contribution by going to Identity's LIFT Fund (https://identity-youth.org/donate/), selecting an amount, and designating in the “Additional Comments” box that funds are for the “The A.G. Family.” Contributors will get a thank letter that will serve as a receipt for tax purposes.

Please help this family by making a donation today.

Thank you so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 05, 2020, 10:16:02 am
If you're feeling generous... This puts shit into perspective. From my child's school listserv.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is a 5th-grade student in Montgomery County who is undergoing chemotherapy.  At the beginning of April, after not feeling well for several days, her mother suddenly and unexpectedly died. The girl is living in an apartment with her aunt, uncle, and two cousins and all are grieving the loss of their family member. Due to COVID-19, the aunt and uncle are now unemployed, so there is no money coming in and food supply is running low. In addition, the family does not have a car, but does need to get the girl to the hospital for chemotherapy treatments.

The PTA, MCPS, and her Delegates & district council members are engaged to find resources for this family at this very difficult time. However, in the interim, emergency support is needed. We are trying to raise money to pay for their rent, utilities, and nutritious foods for the aunt, uncle, cousins, and young girl while the student is undergoing chemotherapy to alleviate some of the financial stress that they are currently experiencing.

Identity, an organization that provides case management and support for families who live in high-poverty areas of Montgomery County, has graciously agreed to direct funds to this family through their LIFT Fund if designated as such. Donors can make a contribution by going to Identity's LIFT Fund (https://identity-youth.org/donate/), selecting an amount, and designating in the “Additional Comments” box that funds are for the “The A.G. Family.” Contributors will get a thank letter that will serve as a receipt for tax purposes.

Please help this family by making a donation today.

Thank you so much.

Thanks. Donated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 05, 2020, 10:18:52 am
Fat white people exercising their rights for boardwalk fries and dipping dots. At least space will have somewhere to go this summer.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ocean-city-to-reopen-beaches-boardwalk-on-may-9-officials.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Don't act so self-righteous. You'll be going places this summer, too. If club shows start back up, all of you will be at one in less than two weeks.

I am not so sure about that Dr. Spaceman. I am trying to figure out if/when I will even see my soon to be 80 year old mom in NY again. Am hoping that show-going is a thing again by December.

Also, here's a compilation of some Dr. Spaceman clips from 30 Rock.

  https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216   (https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216)

Assuming our West Coast family vacation is postponed, I'm planning on driving to upstate NY in June/July to visit my 79 yo mom and brother.

You'll probably have to fly to a Red State to see a concert in December.

Maybe we can carpool as far as the GW Bridge? I feel like whoever controls the music, we'd be in good shape.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 05, 2020, 10:46:31 am
Fat white people exercising their rights for boardwalk fries and dipping dots. At least space will have somewhere to go this summer.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ocean-city-to-reopen-beaches-boardwalk-on-may-9-officials.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Don't act so self-righteous. You'll be going places this summer, too. If club shows start back up, all of you will be at one in less than two weeks.

I am not so sure about that Dr. Spaceman. I am trying to figure out if/when I will even see my soon to be 80 year old mom in NY again. Am hoping that show-going is a thing again by December.

Also, here's a compilation of some Dr. Spaceman clips from 30 Rock.

  https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216   (https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216)

Assuming our West Coast family vacation is postponed, I'm planning on driving to upstate NY in June/July to visit my 79 yo mom and brother.

You'll probably have to fly to a Red State to see a concert in December.

Maybe we can carpool as far as the GW Bridge? I feel like whoever controls the music, we'd be in good shape.

Sorry, won't be going anywhere near GW Bridge. And going to a county with a case rate at about a quarter of what Fairfax County has. Sounds like you'll have a riskier slog?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 05, 2020, 11:02:09 am
Fat white people exercising their rights for boardwalk fries and dipping dots. At least space will have somewhere to go this summer.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ocean-city-to-reopen-beaches-boardwalk-on-may-9-officials.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Don't act so self-righteous. You'll be going places this summer, too. If club shows start back up, all of you will be at one in less than two weeks.

I am not so sure about that Dr. Spaceman. I am trying to figure out if/when I will even see my soon to be 80 year old mom in NY again. Am hoping that show-going is a thing again by December.

Also, here's a compilation of some Dr. Spaceman clips from 30 Rock.

  https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216   (https://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/dr-spaceman-medical-moments/n21216)

Assuming our West Coast family vacation is postponed, I'm planning on driving to upstate NY in June/July to visit my 79 yo mom and brother.

You'll probably have to fly to a Red State to see a concert in December.

Maybe we can carpool as far as the GW Bridge? I feel like whoever controls the music, we'd be in good shape.

Sorry, won't be going anywhere near GW Bridge. And going to a county with a case rate at about a quarter of what Fairfax County has. Sounds like you'll have a riskier slog?

yeah, 95, NJ Tpike, some sort of bridge, LIE, thru the epicenter, to the very close to the epicenter.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 05, 2020, 11:46:34 am
Are you guys driving with your windows down and heads out the window? Or taking a packed Chinatown bus up?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 05, 2020, 11:47:14 am
Are you guys driving with your windows down and heads out the window? Or taking a packed Chinatown bus up?

Yes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on May 05, 2020, 03:55:20 pm
'Mourning in America' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_yG_-K2MDo)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 05, 2020, 04:06:50 pm
'Mourning in America' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_yG_-K2MDo)
Trump went balistic at 12:46 AM after he watched that, must be good stuff :)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257532101966036993

the best part is he was pissed as they 'stole' the Reagan ad slogan morning in America

twitter quickly reminded him...he did the same thing
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXO-YdTUMAESLoO?format=jpg&name=240x240)

I've been a big fan of the Lincoln project and they've done some great stuff...really getting under trumps skin
Dems just don't have the cajones to do stuff like this, so I'm glad they are doing the dirty work

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 05, 2020, 04:13:22 pm
Cajones: drawers
Cojones: balls
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 05, 2020, 04:27:02 pm
Cajones: drawers
Cojones: balls
I'm illiterate in all languages...but you knew exactly what I meant!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 05, 2020, 07:32:16 pm
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Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 05, 2020, 08:23:55 pm
+1
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 05, 2020, 09:23:33 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/95042761_3565055440176202_1797647343286222848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQn2ANi4imnEuTOs-hfcIbBiyZH8il5Zph8kzGhOrHK22uFDrfI5NOMc9CwBd-3Ji60&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=f7f6d58473c0df13bd335a42ac346160&oe=5ED8A747)

Lololol!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 05, 2020, 10:44:41 pm
So I just heard RBG went to john Hopkins hospital for an non- corona issue
 Talk about the riskiest place to be
I wish her well
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 07, 2020, 03:21:07 am
Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than original (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original)

Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.
(...)
In many places where the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain’s dominance over its predecessors suggests that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 07, 2020, 08:27:55 am
Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than original (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original)

Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.
(...)
In many places where the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain’s dominance over its predecessors suggests that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.

If only it were less lethal. But with all these asymptomatic cases, maybe it is.

So maybe the Chinese weren't lying about their case totals, if the earlier strain was less contagious.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 07, 2020, 01:22:04 pm
One of Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/trump-valet-tests-positive-covid-19/index.html)

unfortunately trump is still testing negative.

obviously trump won't be quarantining himself, despite the direct exposure...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 07, 2020, 01:47:45 pm
https://trumpdeathclock.com/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 07, 2020, 03:02:31 pm
for those parents working from home

(https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C5622AQHllVMpG9NHuQ/feedshare-shrink_800/0?e=1591833600&v=beta&t=eOr3l7DwaT9b0STnuCx_u9wF7p7c3aiiPliBtO9gzPw)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on May 07, 2020, 04:10:19 pm
So maybe the Chinese weren't lying about their case totals

Never trust the Chinese numbers.  NEVER.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 07, 2020, 04:30:19 pm
Is it possible though that 100,000 Chinese could of died in Wuhan and nobody knows? Wouldn’t satellites pick this up?

I don’t trust the Chinese government either but am curious if hundreds of thousands died wouldn’t we know? By we I mean our government not individuals
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on May 07, 2020, 06:07:53 pm
I read somewhere that Russia and China in particular had a 30-40% increase of reported pneumonia deaths in March or April while reporting COVID deaths were decreasing.  So they started looking at other increases in deaths and found that they were simply spreading them out among other causes.   
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 08, 2020, 07:15:56 am
The Pure Michigan ad has gotten a little update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs6jJ7dmWHs
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 08, 2020, 11:16:49 am
Want the government  stepping in to stop all of these people showing up with AK47s at court houses to demand the shut down be lifted?  Have them all be black people; oh it'll end real quick.

Let's see what happens.

 https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/michigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protest?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15889508052943&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2020%2Fmay%2F07%2Fmichigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protest
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2020, 01:21:44 pm
Organizer Of North Carolina Anti-Lockdown Protests Tests Positive For COVID-19 (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/organizer-of-north-carolina-anti-lockdown-protests-tests-positive-for-covid-19-aaoJR4SmkUOKNIhZeitQcQ/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR0j7CYqpjc53kilktf1UqEiNvJNYvFnNQ6DXh8HAGghNAtAp4QAX_BFrFg)
I feel like this forum needs a Karma's a bitch thread
Trump's driver and Pence Staffer
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2020, 02:23:50 pm
Organizer Of North Carolina Anti-Lockdown Protests Tests Positive For COVID-19 (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/organizer-of-north-carolina-anti-lockdown-protests-tests-positive-for-covid-19-aaoJR4SmkUOKNIhZeitQcQ/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR0j7CYqpjc53kilktf1UqEiNvJNYvFnNQ6DXh8HAGghNAtAp4QAX_BFrFg)
I feel like this forum needs a Karma's a bitch thread
Trump's driver and Pence Staffer
JUST IN: Second Pence staffer tests positive for coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 08, 2020, 02:41:19 pm
Organizer Of North Carolina Anti-Lockdown Protests Tests Positive For COVID-19 (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/organizer-of-north-carolina-anti-lockdown-protests-tests-positive-for-covid-19-aaoJR4SmkUOKNIhZeitQcQ/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR0j7CYqpjc53kilktf1UqEiNvJNYvFnNQ6DXh8HAGghNAtAp4QAX_BFrFg)
I feel like this forum needs a Karma's a bitch thread
Trump's driver and Pence Staffer
JUST IN: Second Pence staffer tests positive for coronavirus

Katy Miller, married to Stephen
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2020, 02:57:00 pm
@nbcwashington
Virginia’s Phase 1 plan: Salons reopen w/ strict rules, restaurants can reopen outdoor seating 50% capacity, gyms outdoor only w/ less than 10, non essential retail 50% capacity, masks required. Churches allowed 50% capacity.  Entertainment stays closed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 08, 2020, 03:17:40 pm
@nbcwashington
Virginia’s Phase 1 plan: Salons reopen w/ strict rules, restaurants can reopen outdoor seating 50% capacity, gyms outdoor only w/ less than 10, non essential retail 50% capacity, masks required. Churches allowed 50% capacity.  Entertainment stays closed.

Can Seth book shows in VA churches?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 08, 2020, 03:18:18 pm
Organizer Of North Carolina Anti-Lockdown Protests Tests Positive For COVID-19 (https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/organizer-of-north-carolina-anti-lockdown-protests-tests-positive-for-covid-19-aaoJR4SmkUOKNIhZeitQcQ/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR0j7CYqpjc53kilktf1UqEiNvJNYvFnNQ6DXh8HAGghNAtAp4QAX_BFrFg)
I feel like this forum needs a Karma's a bitch thread
Trump's driver and Pence Staffer
JUST IN: Second Pence staffer tests positive for coronavirus

Katy Miller, married to Stephen

That would be wonderful news, but where are you reading that?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2020, 03:20:33 pm
REM / Trump mashup Losing My Civilians (https://youtu.be/IeT6Aeof4Ok)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 08, 2020, 03:23:32 pm
Here.

Pence's press secretary tests positive for coronavirus, Trump says

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/politics/vice-president-mike-pence-staff-member-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 08, 2020, 03:26:16 pm
@nbcwashington
Virginia’s Phase 1 plan: Salons reopen w/ strict rules, restaurants can reopen outdoor seating 50% capacity, gyms outdoor only w/ less than 10, non essential retail 50% capacity, masks required. Churches allowed 50% capacity.  Entertainment stays closed.

Can Seth book shows in VA churches?
Ween fans are basically a suicide cult.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 08, 2020, 05:23:09 pm
Dancers will be nude except for gloves and masks. And the club owner, a real coronavirus warrior, says, “I’m willing to go to jail for this.”

Club Omaha plans to reopen later this month (https://www.omaha.com/news/local/nudity-and-face-masks-club-omaha-plans-to-reopen-next-week/article_0a9f77a7-0197-5f1f-96c3-3288b19fb25f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on May 09, 2020, 11:08:13 am
Dancers will be nude except for gloves and masks. And the club owner, a real coronavirus warrior, says, “I’m willing to go to jail for this.”

Club Omaha plans to reopen later this month (https://www.omaha.com/news/local/nudity-and-face-masks-club-omaha-plans-to-reopen-next-week/article_0a9f77a7-0197-5f1f-96c3-3288b19fb25f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share)

This could good for Reno strip clubs where meth mouth is prevelant.

That being said Oregon's drive thru and home delivery varieties are much better than the Instagram private room model.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on May 09, 2020, 10:11:15 pm
I wonder if this means,  restaurants can now force their workers back to work,  and off the 600 to 800 a week from unemployment.

Oh, they will be thrilled.   "You got my drink order wrong,  servant.  Fix it now. I've been oppressed in my house for months."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 09, 2020, 10:15:29 pm
"You got my drink order wrong,  servant.  Fix it now. I've been oppressed in my house for months."
STOP: I cannot get more erect!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on May 09, 2020, 11:26:54 pm
Thatz some lulz, right there.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 09, 2020, 11:41:04 pm
"You got my drink order wrong,  servant.  Fix it now. I've been oppressed in my house for months."
STOP: I cannot get more erect!

Read that in a Karen Walker voice.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 11, 2020, 01:11:11 pm
Number of daily deaths seems to be plummeting

I really hope for good
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 11, 2020, 01:34:24 pm
Number of daily deaths seems to be plummeting

I really hope for good

Sat, Sun, and even Mon normally have undercounts with much higher totals Tues and Wed, but yeah 750 yesterday was the lowest daily total since March.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 11, 2020, 06:50:36 pm
A magnificent self own

WATCH: Protesters calling for gyms to reopen in Florida are doing squats and push-ups outside the Clearwater courthouse

https://twitter.com/wfla/status/1259867354206535681?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 12, 2020, 01:52:46 pm
Gov. Ralph is saying that Nothern Va stays closed for two more weeks

"The Northern Virginia Region has about a 25 percent positivity rate, while the rest of the Commonwealth is closer to 10 percent. Further, in the last 24 hours, the Northern Virginia Region reported over 700 cases, while the rest of the Commonwealth reported approximately 270."

So you Richmond folks can start getting your pubic hair trimmed and tattoos added to your sleeve
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 12, 2020, 02:07:01 pm
Speaking of dicey dodgy salad bars

watch the video in this tweet
https://twitter.com/Johnny_suputama/status/1258786799851376641
NHK conducted an experiment to see how germs spread at a cruise buffet.

They applied fluorescent paint to the hands of 1 person and then had a group of 10 people dine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 12, 2020, 03:44:37 pm
Does any other developed country show such utter disdain and contempt for the lives of its people?

I mean 83,000 dead and doesn’t seem like there are too many ruffled feathers

I hear the argument that it’s a smaller percentage but it’s a hell of a lot more dead and hurting people.

Is it because most affected people are elderly? Or a disproportionate number black?

I am embarrassed for us. People overseas pity us. Like if we are so great like we keep telling everyone why can’t we get our act together? Nobody expects us to be South Korea but compare us to say Germany... our response is pathetic. It’s almost nonexistent. The approach is arguably to “take the punch”... Those that have to die must die

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 12, 2020, 04:20:33 pm
Does any other developed country show such utter disdain and contempt for the lives of its people?

I mean 83,000 dead and doesn’t seem like there are too many ruffled feathers

I hear the argument that it’s a smaller percentage but it’s a hell of a lot more dead and hurting people.

Is it because most affected people are elderly? Or a disproportionate number black?

I am embarrassed for us. People overseas pity us. Like if we are so great like we keep telling everyone why can’t we get our act together? Nobody expects us to be South Korea but compare us to say Germany... our response is pathetic. It’s almost nonexistent. The approach is arguably to “take the punch”... Those that have to die must die

It is fucking horrifying...the open up crowd who call Gov. Hogan "Lockdown Larry" are totally cool with 3000/day for the next 30.

I don't understand how folks can just "get on with the business" while so many people die each day. It paralyzes me to a great extent.

Maybe if  (like in the 1970s and 80s and 90s(?)) we all as a country were still watching one of three nightly news anchors call of the death totals at dinner every night the collective consciousness would be different? But now, folks just tune into that which fits their narrative, and fuck the rest...2nd Wave coming soon.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 12, 2020, 04:58:15 pm
But now, folks just tune into that which fits their narrative, and fuck the rest...
I do feel this is a big problem with the US today
Not really sure how it gets changed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 12, 2020, 06:12:32 pm
Does any other developed country show such utter disdain and contempt for the lives of its people?

I mean 83,000 dead and doesn’t seem like there are too many ruffled feathers

I hear the argument that it’s a smaller percentage but it’s a hell of a lot more dead and hurting people.

Is it because most affected people are elderly? Or a disproportionate number black?

I am embarrassed for us. People overseas pity us. Like if we are so great like we keep telling everyone why can’t we get our act together? Nobody expects us to be South Korea but compare us to say Germany... our response is pathetic. It’s almost nonexistent. The approach is arguably to “take the punch”... Those that have to die must die

America is populated by people who came here because they despised their home government, and by people who were dragged here against their will into a system of slavery that was sanctioned by the government.

Germans have always been good at following whatever orders their leader's give them.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 12, 2020, 06:54:08 pm
Well like I said ANY developed nation. Take Australia if you want to compare the US with people who despised government/rebels/jailbirds

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 12, 2020, 07:46:59 pm
Well like I said ANY developed nation. Take Australia if you want to compare the US with people who despised government/rebels/jailbirds

Yeah, I hear you. I was just being snarky, at least somewhat. I actually did think of Australia when i posted that.

To be further contrary, I'll post this opinion piece.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/take-shutdown-skeptics-seriously/611419/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 13, 2020, 07:39:41 pm
So we have to open up because the Trump regime is too incompetent to enact the policy they should enact before opening up anyways? I say they resign then

I get it : they are never going to get it together so why not just open up? And what? 100,000 dead? I would rather just stay closed til January..I mean that’s a lot of people..at what point is it too many? Should we open up if a million people will die?!?

It’s fine to talk about the importance of the economy but if one’s family member dies needlessly who gives a crap

I guess to this point it doesn’t matter cause it’s old people, blacks and Latinos



Again, there is no reaction here..just got off phone with my mom in Buenos Aires and she tells me everyone there is wearing plastic shields on top of mask ..here I haven’t seen many

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 13, 2020, 08:19:32 pm
Just unfuckinbelievable

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-stay-at-home-order/index.html



There is something really wrong with America
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2020, 08:38:18 am
January? Hah. This virus may never go away.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-briefing/this-virus-may-never-go-away-who-says-idUSKBN22P2IJ
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 14, 2020, 08:55:41 am
I saw that!


Just makes it all that much more important to get our act together


Of course we need to reopen but we should be testing millions a day..and employ an army of contact tracers


I have always been skeptical of the assumption we will soon have a vaccine

Maybe we will maybe we won’t

The other big concern I have is who is to say it won’t or isn’t mutating into different strains which will cause different illnesses
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2020, 09:28:27 am
I saw that!


Just makes it all that much more important to get our act together


Of course we need to reopen but we should be testing millions a day..and employ an army of contact tracers


I have always been skeptical of the assumption we will soon have a vaccine

Maybe we will maybe we won’t

The other big concern I have is who is to say it won’t or isn’t mutating into different strains which will cause different illnesses

I hear you on all of the above. It's one of those posts that if it were on Facebook, I wouldn't know whether to like it or not. I agree with it all, but it doesn't make me feel good like a picture of a puppy does.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2020, 09:34:30 am
here ya go space
(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/little-puppy-tabby-kitten-260nw-654539092.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 14, 2020, 10:49:30 am
MoCo Numbers continue to climb and climb!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Vas Deferens on May 14, 2020, 11:03:53 am
https://medium.com/swlh/our-industry-isnt-coming-back-like-yours-is-4cbf261194e1
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 14, 2020, 11:13:13 am
MoCo Numbers continue to climb and climb!

But the daily increase is flat or smaller. That's what they mean by flattening the curve. Still not over, but possibly at the beginning of a very long ending.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2020, 11:22:00 am
Still not over, but possibly at the beginning of a very long ending.
or this year will be “the darkest winter in modern history,”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 14, 2020, 11:40:03 am
MoCo Numbers continue to climb and climb!

But the daily increase is flat or smaller. That's what they mean by flattening the curve. Still not over, but possibly at the beginning of a very long ending.

It went from 200ish to 700ish to over 1,000 every day this week, not sure I'd call that flattening.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 14, 2020, 11:48:53 am
Here's the new daily case count from https://montgomerycountymd.gov/hhs/rightnav/coronavirus.html

5/1/2020   454
5/2/2020   165
5/3/2020   231
5/4/2020   234
5/5/2020   157
5/6/2020   249
5/7/2020   242
5/8/2020   284
5/9/2020   239
5/10/2020   207
5/11/2020   147
5/12/2020   221

So yeah, not as flat as I had previously stated, but nowhere near 1000 new cases every day.  Were you looking at Maryland data?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2020, 12:16:51 pm
I want a graph please...can't really tell which way the curve is going when you just list a bunch of numbers

although after reviewing this, kinda looks like my golf score records
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 14, 2020, 12:24:50 pm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49894677181_829108469c_w.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 14, 2020, 12:26:06 pm
Man heilung delivers quick!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on May 14, 2020, 12:30:53 pm
Watching Elrich's news conference on FB - the comments are ridiculous
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 14, 2020, 12:47:54 pm
Here's the new daily case count from https://montgomerycountymd.gov/hhs/rightnav/coronavirus.html

5/1/2020   454
5/2/2020   165
5/3/2020   231
5/4/2020   234
5/5/2020   157
5/6/2020   249
5/7/2020   242
5/8/2020   284
5/9/2020   239
5/10/2020   207
5/11/2020   147
5/12/2020   221

So yeah, not as flat as I had previously stated, but nowhere near 1000 new cases every day.  Were you looking at Maryland data?

Doh!

But yes, still going up slightly
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2020, 12:58:46 pm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49894677181_829108469c_w.jpg)
well if it wasn't for that fake report on 5/1 (come on people, you know Obama did that) the curve would be a lot flatter
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 14, 2020, 01:01:44 pm
Yeah its hard to tell what happened that day. Presume it was some "catch up" reporting that would have smoothed the curve a bit. Fair enough to consider it spurious for trendline purposes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on May 14, 2020, 02:30:59 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/an-easier-coronavirus-test-is-within-spitting-distance/2020/05/13/aba0ccd4-945f-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

Brooks, who is also the chief operating officer and director of technology development at a firm called RUCDR Infinite Biologics, has come up with a coronavirus test that relies on nothing more than spitting into a cup.

His firm has won emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for saliva tests that people can perform at home. It’s a breakthrough in a nation that has struggled to expand coronavirus testing to the degree experts say is needed to safely return the country to some degree of normalcy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 14, 2020, 02:41:34 pm
A lot of these good news stories you hear about one time and never again!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 14, 2020, 02:46:57 pm
Brooks, who is also the chief operating officer and director of technology development at a firm called RUCDR Infinite Biologics, has come up with a coronavirus test that relies on nothing more than spitting into a cup.
For the small sliver of the population that are sexually aroused by chewing tobacco use, there has never been a sexier or safer time to be alive in this entire pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2020, 02:51:00 pm
Brooks, who is also the chief operating officer and director of technology development at a firm called RUCDR Infinite Biologics, has come up with a coronavirus test that relies on nothing more than spitting into a cup.
For the small sliver of the population that are sexually aroused by chewing tobacco use, there has never been a sexier or safer time to be alive in this entire pandemic.

I don't think you've spent enough time in Red State Country to realize that that is actually a major turn on for a fair share of the rube population.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2020, 03:27:30 pm
Brooks, who is also the chief operating officer and director of technology development at a firm called RUCDR Infinite Biologics, has come up with a coronavirus test that relies on nothing more than spitting into a cup.
For the small sliver of the population that are sexually aroused by chewing tobacco use, there has never been a sexier or safer time to be alive in this entire pandemic.

I don't think you've spent enough time in Red State Country to realize that that is actually a major turn on for a fair share of the rube population.
jules lives in the Richmond area, I'm sure he has first hand exposure to this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 15, 2020, 10:21:42 am
211 new cases in MoCo.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2020, 11:08:42 am
It seems likely that with a imcreasedt testing they will catch more of the asymptomatics. So it will be tough for the number of daily cases to decrease if the are catching a higher percentage of the positives.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2020, 11:13:51 am
Why would asymptomatic people be tested?

I mean I can’t get a test
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 15, 2020, 11:15:12 am
It seems likely that with a imcreasedt testing they will catch more of the asymptomatics. So it will be tough for the number of daily cases to decrease if the are catching a higher percentage of the positives.

Who is getting tested without symptoms?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 15, 2020, 11:17:42 am
I mean I can’t get a test
Really? Every PatientFirst type place here has drive up clinics. No doctors order needed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2020, 11:20:25 am
What is patient first?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2020, 11:33:53 am
Why would asymptomatic people be tested?

I mean I can’t get a test

There were 370K people tested yesterday and only 25k positives. So many asymptomatics were tested.

I got a message from my personal doctor a few weeks ago that they have tests. I assume I could have asked for one when I went in last week for an ear infection.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 15, 2020, 11:34:22 am
What is patient first?
Do you guys not have those there? PatientFirst is an extremely ubiquitous chain of Urgent Care medical centers in Virginia/NC (you know, the kind of place where if you need stitches but don't want to go to the ER or you have the flu but no insurance/PCP and just want to pay cash for your one doctors appointment every 5 years).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2020, 11:46:24 am
We call that urgent care center here I think
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 15, 2020, 12:06:19 pm
We call that urgent care center here I think

It's kind of like calling whole foods by the proper name instead of "grocery store."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2020, 12:09:02 pm
Got it


I don’t see a point to getting anything other than an antibody test
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on May 15, 2020, 12:12:01 pm
It's also why capitalizing proper nouns exists in English grammar.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2020, 12:27:30 pm
We call that urgent care center here I think

If you work with the elderly or health compromised, you might want to get it on the regular. Cuomo has ordered nursing home workers tested every three days.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2020, 12:38:38 pm
I seems like this is the scariest new development...

(New York) State officials are now investigating 110 cases of a potentially life-threatening pediatric inflammatory syndrome that appears to be related to the virus and has so far been linked to three deaths, Mr. Cuomo said. (Mayor Bill de Blasio said earlier in the day that city officials were investigating 100 cases of the syndrome.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 15, 2020, 01:34:15 pm
this pic speaks volumes
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYEqf2YXgAAyUYX?format=jpg&name=large)
I really wish I could just stick an apple in trumps mouth
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2020, 01:39:15 pm
this pic speaks volumes
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYEqf2YXgAAyUYX?format=jpg&name=large)
I really wish I could just stick an apple in trumps mouth

Who are the guys on the far left and far right? Guessing the left is Azar the right is who?

It's probably been a long time since Trump has had an apple in his mouth.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 15, 2020, 02:42:01 pm
Man alone at sea for 3 months emerges to a changed world. Immediately after stepping off his boat, he immediately hugged in defiance of social distancing order.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/05/15/canada-man-at-sea-new-zealand-coronavirus-pandemic-pkg-vpx.tvnz
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 15, 2020, 04:23:53 pm
It seems likely that with a imcreasedt testing they will catch more of the asymptomatics. So it will be tough for the number of daily cases to decrease if the are catching a higher percentage of the positives.

... aaaaaand this is exactly why trump doesn't want more testing: if you look, you'll find.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2020, 04:45:35 pm
It seems likely that with a imcreasedt testing they will catch more of the asymptomatics. So it will be tough for the number of daily cases to decrease if the are catching a higher percentage of the positives.

... aaaaaand this is exactly why trump doesn't want more testing: if you look, you'll find.

Sure, but in addition to discovering how contagious this thing is, even with social distancing, they're discovering how much less lethal it is than originally thought.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2020, 05:18:18 pm
I don’t get that


I mean over 100,000 have died counting the undercount...with stay at home orders everywhere

Not to mention we don’t know the long term impact on the health of many that survive their battle or related illnesses or syndromes

Where you expecting a million to have died by now Space?

I really cannot stand anything that even closely minimizes the death toll

Again I know four people that have lost family to covid...one person lost two people

Maybe it’s your stats/technocratic background or work but the way you keep describing things relating to covid kind of comes across as insensitive at best and heartless at worst

Again, we have lost over 100,000 Americans WITH serious stay at home/social distancing protocols in place
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2020, 07:27:42 pm
I don’t get that


I mean over 100,000 have died counting the undercount...with stay at home orders everywhere

Not to mention we don’t know the long term impact on the health of many that survive their battle or related illnesses or syndromes

Where you expecting a million to have died by now Space?

I really cannot stand anything that even closely minimizes the death toll

Again I know four people that have lost family to covid...one person lost two people

Maybe it’s your stats/technocratic background or work but the way you keep describing things relating to covid kind of comes across as insensitive at best and heartless at worst

Again, we have lost over 100,000 Americans WITH serious stay at home/social distancing protocols in place

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

Look at the first graph. I'm not going to add up every day, but the number of estimated cases is over 10 million through May 15. Even if you use 100K deaths (their estimate was 89K through May 15), that's still only a 1% death rate. The survival rate for those 80+ who get it is still 80%.

33% of the deaths have been people in nursing homes. Whereas 0.5% of the population live in nursing homes. It seems like we should be strictly quarantining nursing home residents and their caregivers and to a lesser degree anybody over 65 and anybody with a comorbidity. Not closing school next year and purposely causing the Great Depression 2.

Thankfully, it seems like the governors agree with me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 15, 2020, 07:39:41 pm
I don’t fully agree with Space (or even mostly agree) but I do think making an analysis of what number will die and how that number changes if we do or don’t do _____ is not, on its face, crass and beyond the pale like some are acting.

If hardcore social distancing and keeping restaurants/salons/etc closed changes the death toll nationwide by 5,000 (a ridiculous figure I am making up) I think as a society we have an obligation to discuss if that’s a reasonable payoff for all the other things that come along with those three months.

I feel this has become so politicized (equally so on the left, of which I will remind everyone I am a member of) that reasonable, logical, sober discussions of this are pretty much impossible. You just get rampant value signaling by all sides and the mindset that anyone who makes a slightly different decision/value equation than yourself must be called out as a heretic. It’s not helpful.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 15, 2020, 08:04:21 pm
So basically the fatality rate is less than 1%, not 3-5% as was originally feared.

I'm not questioning the three month shutdown at all. I'm just saying it can't go on forever. There may never be an effective vaccine.

Very much agree with Julian's final paragraph.

Have a good weekend, y'all.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2020, 10:38:22 pm
The side effects such as 36 million unemployed and millions probably losing health care are more a product of the way our economy is organized than the stay at home orders. There are many countries with stay at home orders where the unemployment numbers have barely moved and not one person has lost health care. Blaming it all on covid is in a way facile. It really should not have been that difficult to keep it together for a few months. We didn’t even try.

The idea behind the stay at home orders was to flatten the curve so as to buy time to increase readiness but if our government can’t do that then the problem is our government not covid or the thinking behind the plan

I don’t see my views as political but ethical. And  I just try to listen to scientists and health experts. At the end of the day everything is political I suppose

I do think schools should reopen, elderly care facilities should have special measures, etc.      Reopening must happen and some cost will be borne.

Not going to lie though: I find it distressing to see so many buying into the Republican framing on this but have at it...It ain’t going to affect me or my immediate family. I ain’t going back out there. I assume in the fall my kids will go back to school and I am ok with that but I ain’t going to be attending concerts or eating out until I think it’s safe.

Texas had 2000 new cases today. Why? Erroneous public policy at odds with what scientists and health care experts said we should do but if we want to take the Texas model national let’s go

It’s convenient for many to blame every problem on the shutdown but it’s not quite that simple
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 16, 2020, 02:45:03 pm
Equilibrium is the word


We need to find the equilibrium
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 18, 2020, 08:28:44 am
As coronavirus testing expands, a new problem arises: Not enough people to test

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/as-coronavirus-testing-expands-a-new-problem-arises-not-enough-people-to-test/2020/05/17/3f3297de-8bcd-11ea-8ac1-bfb250876b7a_story.html?itid=hp_hp-top-table-high_viruslabcapacity-440pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 18, 2020, 09:47:21 am
Myrtle Beach, last night. Did I see Julian at the 3 minute mark?

https://www.facebook.com/Yarields/videos/10158644086101454/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 18, 2020, 10:05:02 am
When you tell people testing doesn’t matter, 100,000 dead is a good job, fight for your freedom and anyways it just kills old people it’s obviously hard to keep people social distancing


Trump and Republicans won the framing... so enjoy opening up America

We will see what happens...maybe it works out and covid19 disappears and people stop dying...anyway it’s not lethal really..I mean the percentage of people who die is low..we do have 330,000,000 people so why inconvenience so many for so few?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on May 18, 2020, 01:32:26 pm
Eric Trump claims coronavirus is Democratic hoax, will ‘magically’ vanish after 2020 election (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/17/eric-trump-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 18, 2020, 01:45:16 pm
Eric Trump claims coronavirus is Democratic hoax, will ‘magically’ vanish after 2020 election (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/17/eric-trump-coronavirus/)
Worked with the Mexican Caravan...why, not with COVID, they both start with C
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 18, 2020, 04:39:47 pm
 Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquine for "about a week and a half" as a preventative measure against the coronavirus,


good follow up
Harry Shearer @theharryshearer
One time you gotta hope he's telling the truth:
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 19, 2020, 10:36:28 am
Interesting

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/us/coronavirus-time-risk/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 19, 2020, 12:17:56 pm
Interesting

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/us/coronavirus-time-risk/index.html
bodes well for delivery and short shopping visits

doesn't bode well for the concert industry, unless we do 3 song shows and forbid sing-a-longs (which might be welcomed by some)

but as the article stated more than once, we have no data and have no idea if this is the case...all anecdotal
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 19, 2020, 12:52:30 pm
Interesting

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/us/coronavirus-time-risk/index.html

I read that a week or two ago and until now though the author, "Erin" was a woman.

Plus, what Hatch said. Plane rides and Metro rides seem like a bad idea. Maybe school too.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 19, 2020, 12:55:55 pm
Well you’re very well read

How about this?

https://www.studyfinds.org/study-covid-19-much-deadlier-than-flu-1-3-death-rate-among-symptomatic-patients/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 19, 2020, 01:16:31 pm
Nope, that one is new to me. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 19, 2020, 05:27:22 pm
The state of Georgia made it look like its covid cases were going down ***by putting the dates out of order on its chart*** May 5 was followed by April 25, then back to May again, whatever made it look like a downslope.

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1262029906512404480?s=09
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 19, 2020, 06:21:35 pm
The state of Georgia made it look like its covid cases were going down ***by putting the dates out of order on its chart*** May 5 was followed by April 25, then back to May again, whatever made it look like a downslope.

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1262029906512404480?s=09


what.  the.  actual.  FUCK.

did they think no one would notice?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 19, 2020, 06:37:41 pm
The state of Georgia made it look like its covid cases were going down ***by putting the dates out of order on its chart*** May 5 was followed by April 25, then back to May again, whatever made it look like a downslope.

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1262029906512404480?s=09


what.  the.  actual.  FUCK.

did they think no one would notice?

Good thing we got Heilung4eva on the case!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 20, 2020, 08:07:07 am
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

https://amp.delmarvanow.com/amp/5211504002
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 08:09:35 am
^ that should go in the Hey Seth thread  :o
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 20, 2020, 08:29:03 am
^ that should go in the Hey Seth thread  :o

LOL
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 20, 2020, 08:51:43 am
^ that should go in the Hey Seth thread  :o
Fucking savage. Good God, that man has a family, Hatch.
 


 



 


 


 


 


 


 



I mean, I have no idea if they've disowned him, but genetically anyway . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 20, 2020, 10:05:14 am
Let’s face it...over 50% of covid deaths have happened in four states located in the northeast: NY, NJ, MA, PA...four typically Democratic voting states


It’s a very unfortunate reality with widespread political impact in our very divided nation....

If more people were dropping dead in other regions and states things might be different...not wishing it to happen
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 20, 2020, 11:13:38 am
Very interesting

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/why-do-some-covid-19-patients-infect-many-others-whereas-most-don-t-spread-virus-all#

They concluded that k for COVID-19 is somewhat higher than for SARS and MERS. That seems about right, says Gabriel Leung, a modeler at the University of Hong Kong. “I don’t think this is quite like SARS or MERS, where we observed very large superspreading clusters,” Leung says. “But we are certainly seeing a lot of concentrated clusters where a small proportion of people are responsible for a large proportion of infections.” But in a recent preprint, Adam Kucharski of LSHTM estimated that k for COVID-19 is as low as 0.1. “Probably about 10% of cases lead to 80% of the spread,” Kucharski says.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 11:52:20 am
^ that should go in the Hey Seth thread  :o
Fucking savage. Good God, that man has a family, Hatch.
so to be clear...wasn't meant as a burn, but to say...hey maybe we can do concerts in those 'bumper tables'
imagine how fun it would be to slam dance
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 20, 2020, 11:54:55 am
^ that should go in the Hey Seth thread  :o
Fucking savage. Good God, that man has a family, Hatch.
so to be clear...wasn't meant as a burn, but to say...hey maybe we can do concerts in those 'bumper tables'
imagine how fun it would be to slam dance
Oh, see, I thought you were suggesting he wear one so he cannot get within 6 feet of a massage therapist. MY MISTAKE.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 20, 2020, 03:56:27 pm
Why is it we're (probably wisely, to my chagrin) keeping schools closed, perhaps even in the Fall, but allowing churches to be open?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-california-church-service-mothers-day-covid-19-exposure/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 04:19:07 pm
well schools are run by the state gov't and churches are private orgs

I'm really not a big fan of any organized religion* ...so this might be a way to get less churches?

*The Church of the Subgenius is not organized!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 20, 2020, 04:27:56 pm
Because I'm a numbers nerd...

Pennsylvania has more COVID deaths over age 100 than under age 45. More deaths over age 95 than under age 60. More deaths over 85 than under 80.

https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/Documents/Diseases%20and%20Conditions/COVID-19%20Death%20Reports/Weekly%20Report%20of%20Deaths%20Attributed%20to%20COVID-19%20--%202020-05-17.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 04:39:17 pm
well at least it's killing the sexes at an equal proportion to population!
Gender# of Deaths Percent
Female 2,296 51%
Male 2,197 49%

Didn't early on they say that Men were more at risk?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 20, 2020, 04:49:25 pm
well at least it's killing the sexes at an equal proportion to population!
Gender# of Deaths Percent
Female 2,296 51%
Male 2,197 49%

Didn't early on they say that Men were more at risk?

I saw that and it stood out to me as well.

One explanation that popped into my mind was that PA has a higher rate of nursing home COVID deaths than nationally.

So that made me think...who resides in nursing homes? And the answer...predominantly women.


For those age 65-74 who reside in U.S. nursing homes, for every 100 men there are 132 women. Among residents of nursing homes age 75-84, for every 100 men there are 246 women, and among those age >/=85, for every 100 men there are 425 women.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15692280/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 05:05:39 pm
well at least it's killing the sexes at an equal proportion to population!
Gender# of Deaths Percent
Female 2,296 51%
Male 2,197 49%

Didn't early on they say that Men were more at risk?

I saw that and it stood out to me as well.

One explanation that popped into my mind was that PA has a higher rate of nursing home COVID deaths than nationally.

So that made me think...who resides in nursing homes? And the answer...predominantly women.


For those age 65-74 who reside in U.S. nursing homes, for every 100 men there are 132 women. Among residents of nursing homes age 75-84, for every 100 men there are 246 women, and among those age >/=85, for every 100 men there are 425 women.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15692280/
so by that logic...women who are still living over 65 are at more risk then men who are not living
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 20, 2020, 05:53:18 pm
well at least it's killing the sexes at an equal proportion to population!
Gender# of Deaths Percent
Female 2,296 51%
Male 2,197 49%

Didn't early on they say that Men were more at risk?

I saw that and it stood out to me as well.

One explanation that popped into my mind was that PA has a higher rate of nursing home COVID deaths than nationally.

So that made me think...who resides in nursing homes? And the answer...predominantly women.


For those age 65-74 who reside in U.S. nursing homes, for every 100 men there are 132 women. Among residents of nursing homes age 75-84, for every 100 men there are 246 women, and among those age >/=85, for every 100 men there are 425 women.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15692280/
so by that logic...women who are still living over 65 are at more risk then men who are not living

Setting aside the COVID, if you're a single guy in a nursing home your odds of scoring chicks is very good. As the Beach Boys would say, two girls for every boy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2020, 05:57:08 pm
Setting aside the COVID, if you're a single guy in a nursing home your odds of scoring chicks is very good. As the Beach Boys would say, two girls for every boy.
Oh I'm well aware of this...why do you think I go to Florida so much
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 20, 2020, 08:21:04 pm
Di I already post this one?


https://www.wsj.com/articles/superspreader-events-offer-clue-on-curbing-coronavirus-11589977873


Superspreader Events Offer a Clue on Curbing Coronavirus
Some scientists think banning mass gatherings may be enough to keep the pandemic in check

Some scientists looking for ways to prevent a return to exponential growth in coronavirus infections after lockdowns are lifted are zeroing in on a new approach: focus on avoiding superspreading events.

The theory is that banning mass public events where hundreds of attendees can infect themselves in the space of a few hours, along with other measures such as wearing face masks, might slow the pace of the new coronavirus’s progression to a manageable level even as shops and factories reopen.

Researchers believe that the explosive growth of coronavirus infections that overwhelmed hospitals in some countries was primarily driven by such events earlier this year—horse races in Britain, carnival festivities in the U.S. and Germany or a soccer match in Italy.

The study of superspreading events could help scientists better understand how the virus can propagate in crowded conditions—in offices, schools, churches, gyms and public transportation—and guide governments in regulating such public occasions as weddings, trade conferences and sports games.

There is little doubt about the mechanisms involved in superspreading events. A study published by the National Academy of Sciences in the U.S. last week found that one minute of loud speech was enough to produce thousands of droplets that remain airborne for about 12 minutes, potentially able to infect anyone in the area. Similar studies have shown that virus-laden aerosols, particles smaller than droplets, can levitate for hours after being released in indoors spaces

A more surprising finding is that mass infections tend to be more serious than those contracted in other circumstances, perhaps because of sustained exposure to a larger amount of virus.

Most cases globally, and especially most deaths, happened after superspreading events,” said Hendrik Streeck, a virologist with the University Hospital Bonn, Germany, who published the world-wide first study of a coronavirus superspreading event.

His research into the outbreak in the western county of Heinsberg, which in March became a center of the epidemic in Germany, established that the infection spread across the region like wildfire after around 400 people took part in a traditional carnival party. They drank, sang, kissed and danced for several hours in a large hall on Feb. 15.

The people who attended not only got infected and then spread the virus across the county, but also showed stronger symptoms and a comparatively severe illness, Dr. Streeck says—possibly because they received a higher load of the virus from close and prolonged exposure. Weeks later, thousands were infected across the region and dozens died.

Superspreading events exist in many infectious diseases, but with Covid-19 they are especially dangerous because the virus has a longer period of incubation in which patients show no symptoms but can infect others. Sars and MERS, two other deadly coronaviruses that produced smaller global outbreaks in recent years, were also driven by superspreading events, research has shown

The Mardi Gras festivities in Louisiana, a choir practice in Skagit County, Washington and a meeting of executives of the Biogen drug company near Boston are among the one-off events scientists think helped give the pandemic a fateful boost.

U.S. meatpacking plants, where hundreds have become infected, have also emerged as superspreading sites: counties with or near meatpacking plants have been found to have nearly twice as many Covid-19 cases as the national average, according to an analysis by the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit organization.
In April, Blaine County in Idaho became one of America’s coronavirus hot spots when hundreds of people tested positive following an apres-ski party. Smaller events like weddings, parties and funerals have also served to turbocharge contagion. In one case, an infected individual visited a funeral and a birthday party within three days in February, spreading the virus to 16 people, three of whom died.

“It is now pretty clear that large groups of people close together are good opportunities to spread the virus,’’ said Marc Lipsitch, professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

The experience of several European countries seems to confirm the special role played by superspreading events. Over the past four weeks, Germany, Austria, Denmark, Norway and other countries that have exited early from lockdowns have removed most restrictions on public life except those targeting mass gatherings. So far, new infections have remained low and constant. Sweden, which never had a mandatory lockdown, managed to control and then reduce the spread by relying on only one restrictive measure: prohibiting gatherings of over 50 people.

One remaining question mark regards schools. While no country where schools have reopened has so far reported a sharp increase in infections, some scientists fear schools could act as accelerators for the pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 20, 2020, 08:37:16 pm
Nearly 1.5 million tests today (yesterday?) and only 20K positives. We got this, guys.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 20, 2020, 08:52:14 pm
It’s been weeks and one would think we are on the downslope

1500 more dead today gives one pause though (I get it’s a lagging indicator)..we have paid an incredible cost to flatten this

The whole thing about super spreading events bodes very badly for concerts...we may not see a return to concerts until / if a vaccine is developed

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 20, 2020, 09:04:44 pm
I got to say the situation in Brazil is horrifying


It’s no coincidence the three countries which denied the crisis and refused to lock down early are the ones with the worst leaders and the highest death totals

US
UK
Brazil (will be in second place in a couple of weeks)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 21, 2020, 05:08:03 pm
Nearly 1.5 million tests today (yesterday?) and only 20K positives. We got this, guys.


Was this an error in stats cause the site I followed decreased the number of total tests by a million today
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 21, 2020, 07:53:17 pm
It appears we already paid our summer pool membership months ago


Not sure if and when they will open

https://dc101.iheart.com/content/2020-05-20-if-you-go-to-the-pool-this-summer-the-cdc-says-you-should-wear-a-mask/?Keyid=socialflow&Sc=editorial&Pname=local_social&fbclid=IwAR2QECGykKdhz-aCUVxRDUY2MiBFBgAdEJBbH4I24OmKgkhOKoZ1mUrSWEw
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 21, 2020, 10:00:04 pm
Virus ‘does not spread easily’ from contaminated surfaces or animals, revised CDC website states (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/21/virus-does-not-spread-easily-contaminated-surfaces-or-animals-revised-cdc-website-states/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 22, 2020, 04:33:53 pm
https://theweek.com/speedreads/916030/dc-now-highest-coronavirus-positivity-rate-country
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 22, 2020, 04:53:25 pm
so I'm going to edit this to make me feel better

The Washington, D.C., metro area has the highest coronavirus positivity rate in the country,
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 22, 2020, 04:56:15 pm
It appears we already paid our summer pool membership months ago


Not sure if and when they will open

https://dc101.iheart.com/content/2020-05-20-if-you-go-to-the-pool-this-summer-the-cdc-says-you-should-wear-a-mask/?Keyid=socialflow&Sc=editorial&Pname=local_social&fbclid=IwAR2QECGykKdhz-aCUVxRDUY2MiBFBgAdEJBbH4I24OmKgkhOKoZ1mUrSWEw
apparently the market has an answer
(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_21/1572040/mask-swim-suit-te-inline2-200521_e0431e155c17a2b5a5fff0938daf38e9.fit-560w.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 22, 2020, 06:49:12 pm
not only will you never be as fast as usain bolt, you'll also never be as savage (https://twitter.com/usainbolt/status/1249708513066131457)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 23, 2020, 01:13:56 pm
Vaccine might be ready in record time...maybe even September

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/coronavirus-estudios-vacunas-avanzan-urgencia-esperanza-nid2368177
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 23, 2020, 01:56:24 pm
I think it’s likely Brazil will beat us in reported daily deaths today

First time we will not be #1 in two months or so?


What do Brazil and US have in common?

Right wing wacko leaders who couldn’t care less how many die...and have disregarded scientists and medical community
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 24, 2020, 06:31:06 pm
JDG. You ok, bro?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 26, 2020, 11:05:57 am
JDG. You ok, bro?

Not really but not Covid, so ... wrong thread?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 26, 2020, 11:30:04 am
JDG. You ok, bro?

Not really but not Covid, so ... wrong thread?

Guess so - at least there's that! Hope you feel better soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 26, 2020, 11:39:39 am
JDG. You ok, bro?

Not really but not Covid, so ... wrong thread?

Guess so - at least there's that! Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks. Bad 5 days or so.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 26, 2020, 12:27:38 pm
Trained French dogs successfully sniff out coronavirus (https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Trained-dogs-succeed-in-sniffing-out-Covid-19-coronavirus)

testing - who needs a lab?

(actually, it's german shepherds...)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 27, 2020, 01:52:47 am
100K (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 27, 2020, 01:04:06 pm
Johns Hopkins which everyone uses seems to be about 2000 behind this count


We are at over 101,000

Factor in those not being counted we are at probably 135k

Nobody seems to care

Until deaths aren’t largely concentrated in the northeast (plus MI, IL and LA arguably) the rest of the country doesn’t seem willing to give a shit...

It’s been eye opening and I have to say I think less of us and our country
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 28, 2020, 11:41:13 am
I’m not a scientist but this sounds like good news…

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/05/27/wuhan-chinas-coronavirus-testing-shows-a-0002-infection-rate/#243b0ed31093
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 28, 2020, 11:55:54 am
That is great news although trusting China.....still it seems in line with everything we are learning and seeing


I think what we see is that we need to continue to avoid so called super spreader events and can reopen

Defining super spreader events seems paramount but I think concerts, conferences, sporting events, church, choirs etc have been mentioned...I posted -last night-an article that focused on this

This would seem to mean no indoor concerts until a vaccine is developed or the disease disappears or virtually disappears to my way of thinking but things seem to change rapidly

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 28, 2020, 01:09:17 pm
- Pa. House Democrats say they were in the dark for a week about Republican’s positive coronavirus test (https://www.inquirer.com/news/spl/pennsylvania-legislator-positive-coronavirus-20200527.html)
- ‘Callous liars’: Pennsylvania Democrats say GOP put them at risk by hiding member’s positive covid-19 test (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/28/pennsylvania-coronavirus-test-republican/)

this.

is.

FUCKED.

PA replublicans knew that one of their members was positive for covid-19.  instead of telling everyone and going into isolation, GOP leadership kept it quiet (other than informing their own members and staff, natch) - they continued to meet in committees, for over a week, to pass "everything is ok so let's reopen the state" legislation.  only in america can partisanship be deadly, so often.

Dem PA congressman is MAD ABOUT IT (https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=683102628927090&ref=watch_permalink). visceral.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 28, 2020, 01:20:19 pm
Dang, that brian sims video was HOT
I think the GOP has been truly evil on this topic and acting like "Dems hate freedom" because they are trying to protect people from a deadly virus
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 28, 2020, 03:13:25 pm
Dang, that brian sims video was HOT
I think the GOP has been truly evil on this topic and acting like "Dems hate freedom" because they are trying to protect people from a deadly virus

My wife was just on the couch using "Brian Sims" and "hot" in the same sentence. I wasn't sure what she was going on about.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 28, 2020, 07:17:42 pm
Dang, that brian sims video was HOT
I think the GOP has been truly evil on this topic and acting like "Dems hate freedom" because they are trying to protect people from a deadly virus


My wife was just on the couch using "Brian Sims" and "hot" in the same sentence. I wasn't sure what she was going on about.

yo space, sounds like the oven is warm... get it while it's hot!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 29, 2020, 08:57:10 am
Is anyone else who is teleworking now working on their argument for why they should never have to go back to the office?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Vas Deferens on May 29, 2020, 09:45:49 am
no, don't you miss the office environment ?

Is anyone else who is teleworking now working on their argument for why they should never have to go back to the office?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 29, 2020, 09:50:26 am
no, don't you miss the office environment ?

Is anyone else who is teleworking now working on their argument for why they should never have to go back to the office?
not at all!  I personally like who I work with and like interacting with humans face to face
I really miss the 5-minute conversations about GOT or Trump's latest or where they went on vacation or what college their kid got into
and sharing that same kind of info with them
Only argument would be I should be able to work remotely whenever I want (as long as it doesn't impact work)
Which opens up the 3-week vacation stuff with family.  Where we travel to some great state park, I work 3 full days while the others going on some adventures.  Then at 5 PM I'm in Yellowstone and can enjoy a 5 day vacation Then we move to anothe location and I work for 3 days and do it all again, this time at Glacier National park.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 29, 2020, 10:14:21 am
no, don't you miss the office environment ?

Is anyone else who is teleworking now working on their argument for why they should never have to go back to the office?

I have the kind of job where i don't really every physically need to be in the office. And though I'm not a social butterfly and usually keep to myself at work, I do miss being around my co-workers. Not to the extent that I'd actually want to take public transport or unnecessarily be indoors with other people at this point, but i miss being around others. And going out for a beer after work and exchanging small talk with the bartender or people next to me.

My wife, otoh, is trying to make the case for never going back to the office. To the "I'm going to quit my job if they don't agree to it" extent. Not out of fear of COVID, but because she thinks there is no reason to ever physically be in an office, and due to her dread of commuting and being around people. She also thinks that the "new normal" is going to create situations where after commuting an hour each way you have to choose between waiting in a long line to ride the elevator solo or climbing eight flights of stairs, just to go to your office where you're required to wear a mask for eight hours, when instead you can get 11 hours of work done at home with no mask. To that end, i think she had a point.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 29, 2020, 10:19:17 am
no, don't you miss the office environment ?

Is anyone else who is teleworking now working on their argument for why they should never have to go back to the office?
not at all!  I personally like who I work with and like interacting with humans face to face
I really miss the 5-minute conversations about GOT or Trump's latest or where they went on vacation or what college their kid got into
and sharing that same kind of info with them
Only argument would be I should be able to work remotely whenever I want (as long as it doesn't impact work)
Which opens up the 3-week vacation stuff with family.  Where we travel to some great state park, I work 3 full days while the others going on some adventures.  Then at 5 PM I'm in Yellowstone and can enjoy a 5 day vacation Then we move to anothe location and I work for 3 days and do it all again, this time at Glacier National park.

Your thought process regarding working vacations is totally up my alley. We're holding onto reservations for an August  driiving vacation we planned pre-COVID. But our destination state has a 14 day quarantine arrival directive in place through August....which if maintained, will cause us to cancel. So my thought was....if we're still teleworking and school is still distance learning, we could still go to our destination in September and combine work/school/vacation all into one. The other half thinks that idea is absolutely bonkers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 01, 2020, 07:40:51 am
Since we could all use some good news this Monday morning, I'll share this...

New Coronavirus Losing Potency, Top Italian Doctor Says

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/31/world/europe/31reuters-health-coronavirus-italy-virus.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 01, 2020, 09:30:53 am
Is anyone else who is teleworking now working on their argument for why they should never have to go back to the office?
I’ve been presenting this as an idea in my company for three years and this forced “trial” will probably be the thing that pushes it across the finish line. (I personally will still likely go in daily.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 01, 2020, 09:35:23 am
My wife, otoh, is trying to make the case for never going back to the office. To the "I'm going to quit my job if they don't agree to it" extent. Not out of fear of COVID, but because she thinks there is no reason to ever physically be in an office, and due to her dread of commuting and being around people. She also thinks that the "new normal" is going to create situations where after commuting an hour each way you have to choose between waiting in a long line to ride the elevator solo or climbing eight flights of stairs, just to go to your office where you're required to wear a mask for eight hours, when instead you can get 11 hours of work done at home with no mask. To that end, i think she had a point.
This is pretty spot on. I would also add companies that mandate in-office workers often miss out on the contributions of parents with child care issues (predominately, but not entirely, women) and disabled individuals for whom commuting is often difficult. There is a huge swath of talented female business leaders (and again, some men) who want families who are effectively sidelined for a decade+ of their career and have their their talent untapped by companies in the name of mandatory in-office work. This is a market inefficiency that is ripe for exploiting.

I also have a lot of thoughts on batch payroll methodology but I'll save that for another day.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 01, 2020, 09:37:01 am
I also have a lot of thoughts on batch payroll methodology but I'll save that for another day.
Let's just consider that matter settled
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on June 01, 2020, 10:16:13 am
I'd trade 2 hours of my daily commute for ever having to see my co-workers ever again.  Fuck-em.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 01, 2020, 10:43:04 am
I just don’t know enough to understand Covid19

I hope it’s losing its potency and spreads less easily than previously thought


The Italian health authorities have discredited that physician’s statements but who the hell knows
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 01, 2020, 10:48:00 am
I just don’t know enough to understand Covid19

I hope it’s losing its potency and spreads less easily than previously thought


The Italian health authorities have discredited that physician’s statements but who the hell knows

I think the news-cycle has passed Covid... Time for bigger issues (which I agree with), but will also likely be forgotten in a few weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 01, 2020, 11:14:19 am
Bigger issues than 150,000 dead in two months and millions of infected people?


I agree the news cycle passes everything by but that says more about us and our society than the relative bigness of an issue


I know a woman who lives in a retirement community in Silver Spring area...her two neighbors- one next to her apartment and one in front have died from Covid19..last I heard over 30 people in the complex (it’s very big) had died from covid

We may wish to ignore it and carry on...again that says more about us than the issue..I guess it’s just capitulation..we can’t figure out how to deal with it so let’s ignore it...a. colossal failure


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 01, 2020, 11:41:42 am
Bigger issues than 150,000 dead in two months and millions of infected people?


100's of years of systemic racism in the US is a bigger issue for me than Covid... not saying Covid isn't a big issue, but this is bigger in my humble opinion.

For a change of scenery after three months of not leaving our neighborhood, we went to western PA last week to see my parents. They live in a county where there have been approximately 10 cases. The town will most likely cease to exist if current conditions economically continue. This is just one example of extreme measures that make absolute zero sense. I'm not saying every area should open up and I think that's extremely irresponsible, but this virus is killing people in many other ways that just sickness (which has been covered in this thread before).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 01, 2020, 11:55:00 am
100's of years of systemic racism in the US is a bigger issue for me than Covid... not saying Covid isn't a big issue, but this is bigger in my humble opinion.
Fully agree.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 01, 2020, 12:18:40 pm
Obviously it’s all about equilibrium


And a person can walk and chew gum at same time


The idea we should ignore covid19 or move on because of systemic racism is fill in blank




We can’t wave some magic wand or enact a ten point plan to end systemic racism

It’s a cultural issue and culture is the hardest thing to change.

We can recognize the issue and work to address it but any real change will be here long after we are all dead.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 01, 2020, 12:54:21 pm
Bigger issues than 150,000 dead in two months and millions of infected people?


100's of years of systemic racism in the US is a bigger issue for me than Covid... not saying Covid isn't a big issue, but this is bigger in my humble opinion.

For a change of scenery after three months of not leaving our neighborhood, we went to western PA last week to see my parents. They live in a county where there have been approximately 10 cases. The town will most likely cease to exist if current conditions economically continue. This is just one example of extreme measures that make absolute zero sense. I'm not saying every area should open up and I think that's extremely irresponsible, but this virus is killing people in many other ways that just sickness (which has been covered in this thread before).

I plan on driving to see my family next month in upstate NY. My brother remains unemployed after being laid off 2.5 months ago. He lives in a county with 100K people. So far, 133 cases, 0 deaths, and 9200 private sector jobs lost in April (alone).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 01, 2020, 01:32:20 pm
new way to ride elevators
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZbXObcXgAEDNZi?format=jpg&name=large)
now even harder to tell who dealt it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 02, 2020, 01:20:51 pm
Why did the chicken cross the road?

To pose for a blasphemous photo op at St. John's Episcopal Church.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 02, 2020, 01:57:59 pm
Spain, 0 deaths yesterday, 2 the day before.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 03, 2020, 09:42:18 am

Vaccine coming


https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-06-03-20-intl/h_d9360b4e277953a4490fa5ee17285938
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 03, 2020, 12:10:18 pm
Vaccine coming

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-06-03-20-intl/h_d9360b4e277953a4490fa5ee17285938

this candidate vaccine is looking promising, but it's still just a candidate...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 03, 2020, 12:21:47 pm
Eh multiple candidates
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 03, 2020, 12:36:54 pm
Eh multiple candidates
What is this, a chess tournament?

HIYOOOOOO
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 03, 2020, 01:31:15 pm

Vaccine coming


https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-06-03-20-intl/h_d9360b4e277953a4490fa5ee17285938

My wife is going to hate this news if it means she'll have to go into the office on a regular basis.

I kid, partially.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 08, 2020, 12:49:54 pm
Wow nothing on this thread in five days

Says a lot

Anyways it seems like the US has finally broken the back of this scourge

About 300 dead from it reported yesterday..lowest number since late March..

It only took 112,000 lives (reported) + around 50,000 unreported, snd shutting down the nation with tens of millions losing their jobs (most I think will get them back) but we finally seem to have things somewhat under control

I assume people will keep dying from it but in decreasing numbers

How badly was this bungled? Boggles the mind...they told people not to wear face masks for months!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2020, 01:08:43 pm
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but i wouldn't say broken the back yet. 373 yesterday, but that's a Sunday count. I'd expect double that on weekdays this week.

Hopefully we are not opening too much too soon. And hopefully people will wear masks indoors, everywhere. And stay 6+ feet apart. Some communities seem to take the mask and distance things more seriously than others.

I think there's also going to be lots of crazy ass modifications to the school experience in the Fall. My kid is already bitching about it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2020, 01:26:12 pm
A look at what schools will be like in Massachusetts, in the Fall. Maximum of 10 students in a classroom at one time. How is that going to work?

https://www.wcvb.com/article/guidance-offers-glimpse-at-what-massachusetts-schools-will-look-like-come-fall/32800400
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 08, 2020, 04:09:34 pm
And hopefully people will wear masks indoors, everywhere. And stay 6+ feet apart. Some communities seem to take the mask and distance things more seriously than others.

there is some serious pandemic fatigue going on.  i live in the kind of place that you'd think would adhere to medical recommendations (this region has been traumatized by the early days of the pandemic), but at this weekend's BLM protest folks were not maintaining 6 feet - and not even trying.  everyone did have a mask on and it was outside, so overall the risk was low... but organizers made of a point of asking everyone to keep 6' apart, and that never happened.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 08, 2020, 04:15:15 pm
Agree...serious pandemic fatigue

I think soon we just have to get on with it but with some new procedures in place and virus weakening I don’t think deaths will spike back up

Key is preventing super spreader events
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2020, 04:32:08 pm
Agree...serious pandemic fatigue

I think soon we just have to get on with it but with some new procedures in place and virus weakening I don’t think deaths will spike back up

Key is preventing super spreader events

Which means bands better start hiring themselves out to play church services and BLM rallies because those are the only large group gatherings that seem to be allowed...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 09, 2020, 09:26:13 pm
1093 US deaths today. Still got a long way to go to knock this out. And nobody seems to die in Spain anymore. Maybe they don't keep track anymore.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 10, 2020, 10:07:10 am
Down to 439 new cases yesterday in Virginia


Our region is rocking it...we did pretty good in the end
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 10, 2020, 10:10:06 am
+63 DC
+561 MD

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2020, 10:30:04 am
Down to 439 new cases yesterday in Virginia


Our region is rocking it...we did pretty good in the end

At Northam's presser yesterday (I tuned in to see what he had to say about schools), he said to expect big number of cases soon...because they had recently increased testing and there was a backlog of results.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 11, 2020, 02:04:01 pm
Arlington is opening-up

arlingtonva@ArlingtonVA
Under Phase 2, restaurant and beverage establishments may offer indoor dining at 50 percent occupancy, fitness centers may open indoor areas at 30 percent occupancy and certain recreation and entertainment venues without shared equipment may open with restrictions.
The County is reopening its dog parks, basketball courts and volleyball courts on Friday, June 12, for people who practice social distancing and follow posted guidelines.


They can't just say bars...beverage establishments?!

entertainment venues without shared equipment ....so does this mean the Brothels will stay closed?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 11, 2020, 02:23:59 pm
There are no bars in Virginia — they’re all classed restaurants. Beverage establishments refers to breweries/wineries/distilleries/etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 11, 2020, 02:47:21 pm


entertainment venues without shared equipment ....so does this mean the Brothels will stay closed?

Hey Seth <<<<<<<<<
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 11, 2020, 04:09:39 pm
Prince George's County Phase 2 on Monday (https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2020/06/prince-georges-county-to-enter-phase-two-on-monday/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 12, 2020, 10:04:36 am
Covid-19 Patient Gets Double Lung Transplant, Offering Hope for Others (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/health/coronavirus-lung-transplant.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 14, 2020, 07:49:09 pm
Why have there been no reported COVID-19 deaths in Spain for a week?

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1689226/world
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 14, 2020, 10:36:12 pm
I just don’t think we know how this virus works but it seems to ravage and then weaken and not spread as easily


It’s really a mystery..the medical community has proved worse than useless on covid..they do not have a clue

But I have seen enough to say that countries where the curve falls need to reopen with certain caveats initially like

1. Limit super spreader events (ie no conferences, concerts, packed subway cars, packed stadiums, packed bars, etc)...common sense
2. More vulnerable populations should self quarantine
3. Continue widespread testing and do tracing when people test positive
4. People should continue to wear masks and social distance where possible

I think though most people should get back to relative normal and in a month we revisit where we are..of course this means some people will die that wouldn’t all things being equal if we all stay home...but all things aren’t equal..many people need to work...if people don’t vacation entire communities will be harmed.. it’s about balance..finding a reasonable equilibrium

I am talking about the US where today we had about 300 deaths... as opposed to the peak of 3000..I know everyone is predicting a terrible second wave...but I don’t see that happening
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 15, 2020, 08:06:02 am
I hope you are right, about the second wave.

326 deaths on Worldometers for the Sunday undercount. I expect it to be back up on the high triple digits by mid-week, but yes, it's great that those numbers continue to trend lower. Last Sunday it was 375 (then went up above 1000 again Tues or Wed, then back down high triple digits.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 09:29:38 am
I know everyone is predicting a terrible second wave...but I don’t see that happening

Science Based Medicine says that a second wave may not be terrible, as long as people keep social distancing, wearing masks, staying home...

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-the-second-wave/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 09:44:32 am
Science Based Medicine
I like my medicine fantasy-based, can we get some from 'both sides'

I'm also looking for a gut-feeling based news source
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 09:50:41 am
You'd be surprised at how easy it is to find that...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 10:09:08 am
Science based is fine..limiting yourself to listening to epidemiologists not so much


You have to look at things from all angles not just epidemiology

If you just listen to epidemiologists you won’t open up til 2023

Let’s remember why we shut down..to flatten the curve and get ourselves -our infrastructure-ready to deal...we didn’t shut down with the goal of eliminating all covid death forever



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 15, 2020, 10:35:54 am
Science based is fine..limiting yourself to listening to epidemiologists not so much


You have to look at things from all angles not just epidemiology

If you just listen to epidemiologists you won’t open up til 2023

Let’s remember why we shut down..to flatten the curve and get ourselves -our infrastructure-ready to deal...we didn’t shut down with the goal of eliminating all covid death forever

Hey look, it's me, logging onto my Hutch account.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 10:38:52 am
Except you were saying we should open before we had flattened the curve. Your view was to reopen months ago..hell not even shut down schools


We would have never flattened the curve with that approach, smarty pants

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 10:41:35 am
I won’t even get into the horrible stuff you posted about older people...

I have to say I lost respect for you. You showed yourself to be a very small and selfish “man”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 11:23:28 am
You have to look at things from all angles not just epidemiology

Incorrect.  I had a coworker try to convince me that you can protect yourself from COVID-19 by eating elderberries and drinking pineapple juice.  You do not have to consider this point of view, as it is not based on science.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 11:32:10 am
Well I think you are incorrect

You do have to take into account people’s lost jobs and hundreds of other negative consequences from shutting down


Balance / equilibrium are the key


Look at Argentina..they have shut down the economy since early March

Now people were struggling to begin with...you can’t expect people to continue to stay home forever.. they won’t have anything to eat eventually






Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 15, 2020, 11:39:00 am
Except you were saying we should open before we had flattened the curve. Your view was to reopen months ago..hell not even shut down schools


We would have never flattened the curve with that approach, smarty pants

Of you are referring to my comments on page 23 of this thread, please go back and re-read. I was questioning things, not providing a definitive timeline or answers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 11:41:35 am
Well I'm not agreeing that your co-worker's solution is right, but being metabolically healthy (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-does-it-mean-to-be-metabolically-healthy) is key to COVID survival
most who are dying have: Obesity, hypertension, diabetus and such


Elderberries are chockfull of antioxidants such as vitamins A and C and various flavonoids and there are some studis saying it can reduce (not prevent) the lenght of colds/flu..
So there are benefits in being a healthy supplement and providing gut health, but I would not say a specific covid remedy

I'd be a little skeptical of Pineapple juice...as it's tons of sugar
so unless you fresh squeeze it, you are not getting all the said benefits and mostly sugar
it does have some interesting properties and in small doses has lots of pluses
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 15, 2020, 11:55:00 am
This idea of kids going to school for one or two days a week is going to be a mess. Especially for the two earner families with younger children
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 12:03:20 pm
Well I'm not agreeing that your co-worker's solution is right, but being metabolically healthy (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-does-it-mean-to-be-metabolically-healthy) is key to COVID survival
most who are dying have: Obesity, hypertension, diabetus and such


Elderberries are chockfull of antioxidants such as vitamins A and C and various flavonoids and there are some studis saying it can reduce (not prevent) the lenght of colds/flu..
So there are benefits in being a healthy supplement and providing gut health, but I would not say a specific covid remedy

I'd be a little skeptical of Pineapple juice...as it's tons of sugar
so unless you fresh squeeze it, you are not getting all the said benefits and mostly sugar
it does have some interesting properties and in small doses has lots of pluses

Antioxidants are not helpful in large quantities. This is a myth you can easily learn about with a simple google search. People just assumed that if a little is good, then a lot must be better.  Sadly, the human body doesn't work that way.  It's more accurate to think of free radicals and antioxidants as being part of a homeostatic system.  I could rant on this for hours, but you'd have to be willing to be educated on the topic for it to be worthwhile.

tl;dr - don't believe the hype when it comes to antioxidants
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 12:06:08 pm
Sidehatch has a side of him that is into this gooblegook

I think he gets it from his wife but could be wrong

I recall telling him years ago my kid was on autism spectrum and him suggesting a gluten free diet
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 12:12:01 pm
This is why I prefer science-based medicine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 12:14:16 pm
I prefer science based medicine too


But the issue with the covid crisis is it’s not just a science issue...


Covid is a science issue.... the crisis is not

Epidemiologists seem to miss that point
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: rich_WDC on June 15, 2020, 12:32:46 pm
Covid is a science issue.... the crisis is not

This is such a key notion and integral in how we and those in legislative, support, and oversight roles need to figure out everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 12:37:17 pm
of course science

...but food is medicine
gut health is critical to overall health
the biggest killers are the disease's that if people could prevent with a healthy diet
people just want a pill and not have to work to be healthy
most of these diseases take decades to kill...but layer COVID on top...deadly in weeks

Antioxidants are not helpful in large quantities.

I could rant on this for hours, but you'd have to be willing to be educated on the topic for it to be worthwhile.
I never said that they were helpful in large quantities (chockfull I guess where you get that?)
but there are benefits and there have been studies


Honestly, the best way to get them is through food, but sometimes supplements are warranted

I'd be happy to hear your 'rants' on nutrition, but not sure others would be as excited
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 12:43:47 pm
Food isn't medicine.

Food is food. Medicine is medicine.

You can kill yourself with food, or you can feed yourself with food.

The "gut health" craze was based on a preliminary study that hasn't really played itself out. Marketers and new age con men jumped on that idea and flooded the market with unsupported claims and dubious products.  Doesn't mean there isn't something there, but it does mean that you should rely on credible scientific sources if you want to learn more about it. And definitely don't rely on "natural news" or purveyors of probiotics.  You're likely to be duped into handing over your money for snake oil.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 12:45:58 pm
Marketers and new age con men jumped on that idea and flooded the market with unsupported claims and dubious products.  ....  You're likely to be duped into handing over your money for snake oil.
I 100% agree on this

but I think that eating food that is overly processed, lacks actual nutrition and is high in sugar is going to kill you faster

I disagree with your take on gut health...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 15, 2020, 12:57:28 pm
This is why I prefer science-based medicine.
(https://i.redd.it/9u2786ka6q351.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Vas Deferens on June 15, 2020, 01:33:09 pm
https://popculture.com/country-music/news/kid-rocks-nashville-bar-given-citation-violating-covid-19-health-orders/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 02:04:20 pm
I disagree with your take on gut health...

Oh, is that based on science?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 02:12:32 pm
I disagree with your take on gut health...

Oh, is that based on science?
my gut ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 15, 2020, 02:31:47 pm
You did set him up heilung!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 02:38:02 pm
I disagree with your take on gut health...

Oh, is that based on science?
my gut ;)

Does this work
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983973/  2013

Nevertheless, as the critical role of the heretofore “ignored organ”—the gut microbiota—in health and disease has come to be recognized, so has the possibility that modifying the flora might be of therapeutic benefit.


I will add this was said too
. These factors must be taken into account when interpreting changes in the microbiota reported in disease states, and caution should be exercised in attributing a causative role to microbial changes seen in any disease state until much more is known of the primacy of these changes in that disorder.


Here is another NIH one
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7196170/
Linking gut microbiota with the human diseases  Feb 2020
The relationship between the host metabolism and the human gut has been discussed using known data in literature in this review. It showed differences in the gut microbiota contribution among different host causing dysbiosis leading to various form of diseases in human
Data on the composition of microbiota and its contribution will help link with potential diseases and its cause for effective combat and care.
Application of microbiota-based treatment, prognosis, diagnosis, and monitoring will exhibit great role in transforming the current treatment in disease management.




Again I 100% agree there are a lot of snake oil salesmen out there

Although...wish I'd read this one Snake Oil years ago
Massaging your hair with snake-oil can prevent hair loss and split ends. (https://www.happenings.com.ng/latest/2020/02/14/8-amazing-benefits-of-snake-oil)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 02:45:36 pm
There's so much hedgey language in the abstract, the rest of the study is barely worth reading.  The short answer is that the study is pointing to some interesting preliminary findings, but there's nothing solid there that suggests any conclusion.


Which is fair. That's how science works. We notice something. We study it. It either does what we thought or it doesn't.  We're still in the "noticing something" phase.


That's not stopping people from selling you pre-biotics, though, or you buying them.


Although the latter approach is still in its infancy, some important insights have already been gained about how the microbiota might influence a number of disease processes both within and distant from the gut. These discoveries also lay the groundwork for the development of therapeutic strategies that might modify the microbiota (eg, through the use of probiot-ics). Although this area holds much promise, more high-quality trials...are needed, as well as laboratory investigations of their mechanisms of action.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 02:48:43 pm
TLDR...the science community (not just the natural heath people) is taking a very hard look at gut health and disease
yes no conclusions yet, but things are pointing in that direction

BTW...I don't buy pro-biotics, I try to eat fermented vegetables (that aren't pasteurized) to maintain my gut health.  Wish I could make my homemade ones taste as good as the pros
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 02:58:35 pm
this was a poignant tweet
Paul Krugman@paulkrugman
Not really surprised. But it is ominous. Mask-wearing has become part of a culture war that will probably end up killing more Americans than most of our real wars.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 03:40:25 pm
BTW...I don't buy pro-biotics, I try to eat fermented vegetables.

Its the same faulty assumption.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 04:45:24 pm
BTW...I don't buy pro-biotics, I try to eat fermented vegetables.

Its the same faulty assumption.
Man, the NIH is really against this..

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6567126/   2019
Health-Promoting Components in Fermented Foods: An Up-to-Date Systematic Review



At the moment, reference to fermented foods as being health-promoting is common. They contain health-promoting components, can be used as a probiotic carrier, can contribute to the diversity of gut microbiome, and indirectly impact on mental health and other disorders. The early introduction of fermented foods in the diet has been supposed to lessen children desire to over-consume sweet foods [126]. Sugar preference may be tied, in fact, to the bacteria in the gut and children get their gut microbioma from the early stage of their life.

Nonetheless there is a lack of solid scientific foundations of such claims and there is still a need for fundamental research on randomized, controlled, clinical trials to measure the quantitative repeatable effects of fermented foods in the different groups of the populations to eventually justify their inclusion on national food guidelines.

4. Conclusions

During food fermentation, a number of chemical changes occur in the components of the raw matrix, which thus results in products with improved nutritional properties and healthy effects. A higher bioactive molecule content and an improved antioxidant activity were found in fermented milks, cereals, fruit and vegetables, meat and fish.

Fermented foods can also influence human well-being. The intake of fermented foods and probiotics and the subsequent enhancement of the gut microbiome may have a modulatory effect on the brain and the central nervous system.

The occurrence of healthy components and the activity thereof make fermented foods worthy of recommendation of regular consumption and inclusion in worldwide dietary guidelines. There is however a need for research on clinical trials to measure the effects of fermented foods in the different groups of the population..



But they are seeing a lot of evidence and need to do more studies...so I'd say things are looking good in early studies for my case

My only ask is the raw materials and processes matter
if they are getting their fermented stuff from a mass-produced corporation, I am a little suspect
I just am, they are only concerned with profit, not actual nutrition

What is also missing is the unintended consumption of MASSIVE amounts of anti-biotics from factory-farmed animals that the majority of Americans are eating on the daily
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 05:40:43 pm
What is also missing is the unintended consumption of MASSIVE amounts of anti-biotics from factory-farmed animals that the majority of Americans are eating on the daily

I'm not aware of any consequences to humans based on this. You'd think we'd all be growing horns or something.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 05:51:47 pm
What is also missing is the unintended consumption of MASSIVE amounts of anti-biotics from factory-farmed animals that the majority of Americans are eating on the daily

I'm not aware of any consequences to humans based on this. You'd think we'd all be growing horns or something.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194830/

There is no doubt that human misuse and overuse of antibiotics are large contributors to resistance, particularly in relation to bacteria associated with human infection

Not horns, but definitely impacting our guts, making us sicker and less resilient to fight off infection


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2020, 05:55:19 pm
this is good news (for the DMV)...right?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EalZIl7WAAEf4cp?format=jpg&name=medium)

the death numbers have been better, lately. 7-day average now at ~700, down from ~2,000 at the peak.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2020, 06:27:38 pm
What is also missing is the unintended consumption of MASSIVE amounts of anti-biotics from factory-farmed animals that the majority of Americans are eating on the daily

I'm not aware of any consequences to humans based on this. You'd think we'd all be growing horns or something.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194830/

There is no doubt that human misuse and overuse of antibiotics are large contributors to resistance, particularly in relation to bacteria associated with human infection

Not horns, but definitely impacting our guts, making us sicker and less resilient to fight off infection




I mean, is there a pandemic of bacterial infections?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 16, 2020, 12:58:17 pm
I mean, is there a pandemic of bacterial infections?
I'm not good at stats or a Dr, but sounds like it to me
According to the report, more than 2.8 million antibiotic-resistant infections occur in the U.S. each year, and more than 35,000 people die as a result.

https://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/biggest-threats.html

although, really can't trust the CDC either...fake science
and 35k deaths isn't really a pandemic, so probably not a worthy thing to be concerned about

...your serve
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 16, 2020, 01:09:36 pm
Getting some 🍿
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 16, 2020, 01:49:01 pm
Getting some 🍿
Man was getting ready to tell you how you were going to die from eating microwave popcorn....but sadly according to the FDA
the chemicals that were once in microwave popcorn and its packaging have been linked to cancer and lung disease. But these ingredients have since been removed from most commercial brands.

so that argument would have work in 2007

although...you should still use an air popper or cook on the stove with olive oil/coconut oil
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 16, 2020, 02:14:33 pm
Guys, what if I eat kimchi but just because it’s tasty and not for implied health reasons?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 16, 2020, 02:16:30 pm
Guys, what if I eat kimchi but just because it’s tasty and not for implied health reasons?
yikes and I  love me some spicy kimchi!

The researchers, all South Korean, report that kimchi and other spicy and fermented foods could be linked to the most common cancer among Koreans. Rates of gastric cancer among Koreans and Japanese are 10 times higher than in the United States.



also as we all know...if you look it up on the internet...it will kill you :)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 16, 2020, 04:30:27 pm
Sucks about India


Over 2000 dead today...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on June 16, 2020, 04:44:55 pm
And close the lid before you flush  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/16/coronavirus-toilet-flushing/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 16, 2020, 04:48:57 pm
And close the lid before you flush  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/16/coronavirus-toilet-flushing/)
Almost picked 'toliet plumes' as my word of the day

in other news

Tulsa officials are pleading with President Trump to cancel a rally planned for Saturday, warning it could worsen a spike in Oklahoma’s virus cases and become a disastrous “super spreader” event
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 16, 2020, 06:05:16 pm
Our region’s cases (DC , MD, VA) down to 820 or so new cases yesterday..only 19 in DC!


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 16, 2020, 06:12:08 pm
For context we had days with 2-3k cases


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 16, 2020, 06:16:46 pm
Our region’s cases (DC , MD, VA) down to 820 or so new cases yesterday..only 19 in DC!
It really does look like we’ve turned the corner on this. My company is even ready to open out MoCo office. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 16, 2020, 07:59:26 pm
I'm able to resume leading my running group, as long as fewer than 50 people show up!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 16, 2020, 08:21:42 pm
Hallelujah
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 11:10:49 am
779 new cases in MD+DC+VA
25 more deaths



Our region’s best numbers in about three months


Great news if you live in the area and want to keep doing so


Meanwhile Florida had over 3200 new cases yesterday
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 18, 2020, 02:37:20 pm
This is second hand information about Stage 3 in VA, but assuming it's true, might it be good news for the concert industry?

Phase 3 updates:

- Face coverings required

- 250 people at gatherings

- No cap on capacity at retail

- Entertainment venues may open at 50% capacity with a cap of 1000 people

- Gyms 75% capacity

- Child care open

Pools at 75%
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 18, 2020, 03:40:55 pm
This is second hand information about Stage 3 in VA, but assuming it's true, might it be good news for the concert industry?

Phase 3 updates:

- Entertainment venues may open at 50% capacity with a cap of 1000 people


I mean it would be good for the State (didn't that close already?) and the Birchmere, but not so much for Jiffy Luberz or the Patriot Center.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 18, 2020, 03:47:07 pm
This is second hand information about Stage 3 in VA, but assuming it's true, might it be good news for the concert industry?

Phase 3 updates:

- Entertainment venues may open at 50% capacity with a cap of 1000 people


I mean it would be good for the State (didn't that close already?) and the Birchmere, but not so much for Jiffy Luberz or the Patriot Center.

At 50% capacity, they'd need to double their (already ridiculous in the case of Birchmere) ticket and drink prices. Maybe the Birchmere could take the tables out and that would allow them the increase capacity. But many of the geezers who see shows there probably can't stand up for two hours straight.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 18, 2020, 04:15:10 pm




(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lE_4N5e72Fk/maxresdefault.jpg)





(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CreepyDimwittedBuck-size_restricted.gif)







I ate in a restaurant today.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Vas Deferens on June 18, 2020, 04:18:22 pm
maybe they can move Union Stage shows to Jammin Java temporarily?  8)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 18, 2020, 04:21:42 pm
I ate in a restaurant today

RIP Mr. Toenation.  I call dibs on his Xbox.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 06:03:55 pm
Florida added 3207 new COVID-19 cases overnight.  New record


Gov Ron...this presser didn't age well
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1273666277098356738
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 10:41:24 am
Mayor Muriel Bowser
@MayorBowser
1/ Today, I'm announcing Phase Two will begin on Monday, June 22, 2020, allowing certain businesses to reopen and activities to resume under specified conditions outlined at http://coronavirus.dc.gov/phasetwo.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 19, 2020, 10:59:37 am
https://coronavirus.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/coronavirus/page_content/attachments/06172020_DC_Health_Guidance_Mass_Gatherings_JIC%20Reviewed.bcedit.pdf


“If shouting or singing is involved...”


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 19, 2020, 11:03:07 am
“an absolute moron..”



Good way to describe our President and most Republicans

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/503531-schwarzenegger-anyone-making-coronavirus-masks-a-political?fbclid=IwAR30bcWJyjYLwGcpOjrrRNsDVT6VyyqxwoyCbgkCNxwoI92SO4QgQtXGBtM
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 19, 2020, 12:32:22 pm
so do we start a death pool for AMC theaters?

AMC Theater CEO Adam Aron says their cinemas won't require masks upon reopening because they didn't "want to be drawn into a political controversy"

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/amc-coronavirus-movie-theaters-covid-19-1234642047/

i feel sorry for their social media team...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 12:44:21 pm
Florida added 3207 new COVID-19 cases overnight.  New record


Gov Ron...this presser didn't age well
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1273666277098356738
This week on ‘Blame the immigrants’-
Florida Governor blames “overwhelmingly Hispanic Laborers” for the spike in COVID19 cases...
https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/desantis-blames-covid-spike-on-overwhelmingly-hispanic-laborers/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 19, 2020, 12:44:50 pm
Makes me angry
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 19, 2020, 01:05:06 pm
so do we start a death pool for AMC theaters?

AMC Theater CEO Adam Aron says their cinemas won't require masks upon reopening because they didn't "want to be drawn into a political controversy"

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/amc-coronavirus-movie-theaters-covid-19-1234642047/

i feel sorry for their social media team...

AMC is already in serious financial trouble thanks to the pandemic.  there has been talk of their bankruptcy for weeks now.  they may well have nailed shut their own coffin with this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on June 19, 2020, 02:44:02 pm
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KEA63WN4DFFOHAQLKJMMO3W3UE.jpg&w=691)

“It really does feel like the U.S. has given up,” said Siouxsie Wiles, an infectious-diseases specialist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 19, 2020, 03:00:20 pm
so do we start a death pool for AMC theaters?

AMC Theater CEO Adam Aron says their cinemas won't require masks upon reopening because they didn't "want to be drawn into a political controversy"

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/amc-coronavirus-movie-theaters-covid-19-1234642047/

i feel sorry for their social media team...

AMC Theaters on Friday reversed course and announced it will require guests to wear masks. The movie theater chain’s president had drawn backlash a day earlier for saying moviegoers wouldn’t be mandated to wear masks because “we did not want to be drawn into a political controversy.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 19, 2020, 03:06:16 pm
Anybody have any mask recommendations? Looking for something extra safe and comfortable for part time school in the Fall....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 19, 2020, 03:19:17 pm
The Mask mask!

https://www.etsy.com/listing/804542762/the-mask-face-mask-reusable-printed-face
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 19, 2020, 03:22:29 pm
or any of these!

https://www.boredpanda.com/creative-unique-masks-designs/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on June 19, 2020, 04:01:15 pm
Anybody have any mask recommendations? Looking for something extra safe and comfortable for part time school in the Fall....


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Bw193hqU7H4/hqdefault.jpg)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw193hqU7H4   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw193hqU7H4)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 04:05:42 pm
Those Alien ones are great!


Looking for something extra safe and comfortable
that is a tall order, you get to pick one


I just ordered one of these from the boardshort company https://www.birdwell.com/
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0581/6857/products/JuneMasks-Chambray-Paprika-3_180x180.jpg?v=1590783765)

For each mask you purchase, a mask will be donated to CORE, a non-profit founded by Sean Penn working in partnership with the LA Mayor’s Office and the LA Fire Department to provide free drive-through testing for high-risk individuals.

So feel a little better about the purchase because of that.

I'll let you know how it works out, but looks a lot nicer than most I've seen
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 19, 2020, 04:26:43 pm
My much better half is a Tom Binn bag enthusiast and she got a couple of their masks when they shifted production to them. They are the ones I usually wear... Made in Seattle

https://www.tombihn.com/products/facemask
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 04:36:51 pm
Made in Seattle
SPAZistan
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 19, 2020, 04:41:33 pm
Note: I'm looking for masks that are extra safe, not extra fashionable.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 19, 2020, 08:50:03 pm
Note: I'm looking for masks that are extra safe, not extra fashionable.
I don’t think I even know you anymore
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 21, 2020, 09:06:50 am
A challenge for the young people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83hrRvtdg4
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 21, 2020, 09:44:36 am
No... that’s pretty stupid
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 21, 2020, 10:28:37 am
This is what stupid gets you

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/21/us/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html


Reopening the economy doesn’t mean you have fraternity rush parties..

You are still trying to practice social distancing and you still don’t have super spreader events

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 21, 2020, 02:08:58 pm
I can confirm that they are not using those 12-inch swabs to collect a sample from your brainstem

I did one of those drive-through tests yesterday and they just use a traditional Q-tip in both nostrils

I needed to get it for pre-op surgery (torn Achilles tendon...getting old is fun)

But testing accuracy is still an issue
Accuracy still unknown for many coronavirus tests rushed out (https://apnews.com/38967d1644ef374d1bcbc7806b383b8e)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 21, 2020, 02:25:31 pm
I can confirm that they are not using those 12-inch swabs to collect a sample from your brainstem

I did one of those drive-through tests yesterday and they just use a traditional Q-tip in both nostrils

I needed to get it for pre-op surgery (torn Achilles tendon...getting old is fun)

But testing accuracy is still an issue
Accuracy still unknown for many coronavirus tests rushed out (https://apnews.com/38967d1644ef374d1bcbc7806b383b8e)

Do you know what the timeframe is for getting your results back?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 21, 2020, 02:28:47 pm
Do you know what the timeframe is for getting your results back?
2-5 days
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 21, 2020, 04:35:39 pm
Well, get better soon!


Does this mean retirement from skateboarding?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 22, 2020, 07:27:41 am
Does this mean retirement from skateboarding?
logic would dictate, Yes

But I doubt it,
 was really having a lot of fun this year, the newly remodeled skatepark is awesome

This tendon injury is a bitch
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 22, 2020, 11:34:08 am
About 800 new covid cases in our region of MD, DC, MD....19 covid deaths yesterday

I guess our best day in three months maybe?

I still don’t really feel it’s much fun going out..hardly worth it...like we went to five guys yesterday and with the masks and worry us out what kids are doing and less tables..for me at least probably should have gotten food to go
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 22, 2020, 11:49:24 am
So for those with kids in school, what's your preference for next year?

1. Full time live, synchronous distance learning with Fridays off
2. In school one day a week, three days asynchronous learning with Fridays off
3. In school two days a week, two days asynchronous learning with Fridays off
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 22, 2020, 01:57:55 pm
I like this graph...because of where I live
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbIflDhWAAI7zpn?format=jpg&name=large)

The latest update today from http://rt.live shows 31 states tipping into an R > 1 which reflects that their epidemics are expanding. Morgan Stanley's latest model update pegs the national R equal to 1.1 and U.S. epidemic doubling time of about 52 days, from 60 last week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 23, 2020, 12:47:59 pm
"When Trump urged governors to reopen their economies more quickly, he was defying guidelines suggested by that very same agency, i.e., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In other words, CDC is not merely getting cast as the scapegoat for the current spikes; it is getting cast as such even though it was far more right than Trump was.

The New York Times has a deep dive into the mounting cases we’re seeing across the country, summarizing the situation this way:

New known virus cases were on the rise in 23 states on Monday as the outlook worsened across much of the nation’s South and West. Hospitalizations for the coronavirus reached their highest levels yet in the pandemic in Arizona and Texas, and Missouri reported its highest single-day case totals over the weekend."

Trump’s frantic shifting of blame for coronavirus has hit rock bottom (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/23/trumps-frantic-shifting-blame-coronavirus-has-hit-rock-bottom/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on June 23, 2020, 09:24:14 pm
I am seeing a lot on Twitter saying that the quarantine was not necessary and which blames the economic and related consequences on the news media and lefties and the CDC and related intelligentsia who are portrayed as clueless academic epidemiolgists. 

Examples:

Threads:

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1275485844510371840?s=20    (https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1275485844510371840?s=20)

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1275197559380881408?s=20     (https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1275197559380881408?s=20)

These folks are almost gleeful that they knew better than the dems, the media, the scientists ....

What I don't understand is that these types of folks seen to be saying that None of the shutdown mattered; that the closing of casinos and concerts and cruiseships didn't help contain the spread and the sickness/death? To me, that defies all logic.

Maybe you can critique whether you need to stay apart on the beach or pool, whether you need to wear a mask at home depot, but None of the shutdown mattered or was warranted?

end of rantquestion.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 12:06:24 pm
5500 new cases in Florida



We are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory due to Trump and red states refusing to take covid19 seriously

Seeing the latest numbers am no longer so certain we won’t get a substantial second wave

I am particularly worried about covid getting a foothold in Florida retirement communities

All these events in red states are going to impact us here..the areas that did things right

Inexcusable

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: gavroche on June 24, 2020, 12:07:54 pm
5500 new cases in Florida



We are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory due to Trump and red states refusing to take covid19 seriously

Seeing the latest numbers am no longer so certain we won’t get a substantial second wave

I am particularly worried about covid getting a foothold in Florida retirement communities

All these events in red states are going to impact us here..the areas that did things right

Inexcusable

We cannot have a second wave if the first one never peaks!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 24, 2020, 12:09:56 pm
Seeing the latest numbers am no longer so certain we won’t get a substantial second wave

good news: there won't be a second wave!

bad news: that's because we haven't gotten over the first wave!

I am particularly worried about covid getting a foothold in Florida retirement communities

me too.  my dad is in one.  if it takes hold there, it'll be a slaughter.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2020, 12:22:28 pm
Seems like we should focus on the nursing homes
I recall hearing the 40% of the US deaths are there?

I think the biggest issue is the staff and visitors.
the people in the nursing homes are great at quarantine...as they NEVER leave
I think those people should be rigorously using PPE and tested often.
Seems like the feds could wave their wand and focus on nursing homes and the like and that would be a lot of bang for the buck
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 12:29:09 pm
Totally agree!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2020, 12:30:42 pm
I can confirm that they are not using those 12-inch swabs to collect a sample from your brainstem coronavirus tests rushed out[/url]
welp as luck would have it, the dr wasn't able to get the results the morning of the surgery (3 days later)
So I did have to do the 12 inch swab.  As an extreme wimp at anything of that nature, I'm happy to report it wasn't that bad

Got the results back in 25 mins and negative...had me under in 5 mins after

12 hours later the patient first results came back negative too
so that's good to have two different tests confirm the same finding
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 24, 2020, 12:32:25 pm
I mean...

"As Florida emerges from its coronavirus shutdown, the state is experiencing a surge of Covid-19 cases, with younger Floridians accounting for a significant number of positive tests (https://www.kdrv.com/content/news/571459702.html)."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 04:26:40 pm
USA was going down - consistently over many weeks-in terms of cases..now going up

How is this not a second wave?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 24, 2020, 04:49:19 pm
The second wave happens when places that were hit hard initially are hit hard again.  This is still the first wave, where places are being hit hard for the first time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 04:58:30 pm
But nationally it’s not considered a second wave?

Ok..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 24, 2020, 05:14:05 pm
But nationally it’s not considered a second wave?

Ok..

No. Viruses don't action on nations. They are far more local than that. The second wave is coming to Seattle, New York and DC. In the fall or maybe the winter.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 05:14:46 pm
Oh good..something to look forward to..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: gavroche on June 24, 2020, 05:31:48 pm
Oh good..something to look forward to..

It's been that kind of year.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 05:36:44 pm
The “hits” just keep on coming...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 24, 2020, 07:06:46 pm
The second wave happens when places that were hit hard initially are hit hard again.  This is still the first wave, where places are being hit hard for the first time.

there's a little more to it... the initial peak has to fall by a certain amount, then rise again to a certain level, before it's declared a second wave (there is also a time element but let's make abstraction of that).  i've seen different numbers, but many people talk about at least a 50% fall from the peak before you can start talking about a second wave - and in the US, we haven't fallen by that much.  from the peak in early april - lets call that 100% - we dipped down to around 75% in late may/early june.  since ~15 june, we've been on an upward swing and currently are at 90% of peak.  we haven't dipped far enough down to declare the first wave over.

earlier today i came across a great graph showing different country's curves over time, but i can't find it anymore.  so instead i'll offer this NYT graph (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html) of the US alone - note how we plateaued around 75%.  compare this to the mini-graphs on this page (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html), specifically those in the "Where new cases are decreasing" section.  jordan could say it's had a second and a third wave.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 07:09:55 pm
We are rocking it today! 36,600 new cases..still time to go..can we hit our record from April? 39,000

I don’t think so

Thank you red states! 9 out of top 10 in new cases..not like you had any warning other than those damn NYC libtards

Waddap Cali? Why?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 24, 2020, 07:25:01 pm
earlier today i came across a great graph showing different country's curves over time, but i can't find it anymore. 
 
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/103725738_4112732878756134_793074615911983191_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQmNT6iHcraIa6F8KsnLN3_wZOvNn2VMWW2cii5uR8Fusjg7h7cHH2YN--I4Lsxo9Iw&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=a033deeec236ae2be2fca446e26b0d32&oe=5F185FD4)


and another one. (https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1275937026097983491/photo/1)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 24, 2020, 07:27:20 pm
Yeah we all saw that

We suck

The end
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 24, 2020, 08:05:07 pm
We are rocking it today! 36,600 new cases..still time to go..can we hit our record from April? 39,000

I don’t think so

Thank you red states! 9 out of top 10 in new cases..not like you had any warning other than those damn NYC libtards

Waddap Cali? Why?

Despite its liberal rep, California has millions of rednecks in hundreds of small towns. After all, they've had several Republican governors over the last several decades, started tax cut fever in the 70s, and is home to many defense contractors.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 24, 2020, 08:30:15 pm
https://twitter.com/majorityfm/status/1275867327825920005?s=21

"Obeying the devil's law."

"And they want to throw God's wonderful breathing system out the door."

Florida’s finest thinkers
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2020, 11:23:52 pm
So what educational degrees do these citizens have?
Awfully judgmental
Drs have been wearing face masks for decades and not dying
I get it you don’t want to wear it, but it’s not killing you.  That argument can’t be used
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 25, 2020, 06:08:33 am
And there is now the “FTBAgency” and their bogus I can’t wear a mask due to ADA cards.  This is a great take down of this asshattery sprinkled with comments like overnight ADA scholars...

https://twitter.com/mattbc/status/1275961014249496577?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 25, 2020, 06:20:27 am
I’m just glad I don’t see any of this nonsense on Facebook... my bubble is thankful devoid of these lunatics... can’t even imagine what it would be like to see a constant barrage of this stuff..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 25, 2020, 07:33:23 am
https://twitter.com/majorityfm/status/1275867327825920005?s=21

"Obeying the devil's law."

"And they want to throw God's wonderful breathing system out the door."

Florida’s finest thinkers

Wow...I watched it


This is serious stupidity

Reminds me of the reaction to Obamacare when it was proposed

I guess 124,000 deaths is not enough to get the message.... maybe when some of these states are more impacted people will get the mask concept

The US seems to be a constant battle between civilization and barbarism

I guess there has always been a bit of a Wild West mentality in us but you notice it more during a killer pandemic..



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 25, 2020, 07:40:59 am
That only shows the highlights here is the full comments from one of them with  all the Greatest hits

devil, 5G, Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, "the pedophiles" and the deep state.



https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1275912010555932672?s=20

Linus Of Hollywood
@linusdotson
this woman is like if Facebook became a human being

https://twitter.com/linusdotson/status/1276005654151323648?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 25, 2020, 09:33:41 am
Wow that one rant was amazing
 I gotta imagine there are people in trump’s orbit who saw that and thought “ get that fan a contract”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 25, 2020, 09:43:38 am
It’s funny kosmo you keep carping about Facebook - which has its problems-but as far as the wacko factor I find Twitter is ten times worse!!


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 25, 2020, 09:47:46 am
Is this what my 13 year old means when she says we need to be questioning the government, and she's going to be President someday and when she's President we'll have anarchy?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 25, 2020, 10:04:14 am
Why Diet Coke May Be in Shorter Supply Due to Spread of Virus (https://www.nbcwashington.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/why-diet-coke-may-be-in-shorter-supply-due-to-spread-of-virus/2226250/)

Comical beginning
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 25, 2020, 10:04:37 am
Mick Mulvaney at CPAC: Coronavirus is the Dem’s new favorite hoax. They want to bring down the President.
- Audience cheers

we are soo fucked...

Very prescient
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 25, 2020, 10:26:24 am
It’s funny kosmo you keep carping about Facebook - which has its problems-but as far as the wacko factor I find Twitter is ten times worse!!




yes but i have a bit of a bubble on twitter as well.. i follow primarily music types and punch myself in the nuts every time i read the comments on certain posts.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 25, 2020, 10:32:42 am
I get that but it’s way easier to create a bubble on Facebook

I mean people mainly use Facebook to share pics of their cute kids or their great dad or stuff like that..to show off about their lives

And unless you have republican friend it’s not like one is bombarded with this wackiness..it’s more like an echo chamber

Twitter is incredibly more toxic..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 25, 2020, 10:40:52 am
i'm not disagreeing that twitter isn't more toxic, i just don't try to engage.. tim's twitter listening parties have been a bright spot for all the other crap going on
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 25, 2020, 10:47:08 am
Cool beans

I am relieved we agree!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 26, 2020, 08:40:11 am
Brilliant stuff here in this thread

COVID Update June 25: The story of Trump & Coronavirus has already been written.

But the stories of DeSantis, Abbott & Ducey could be a Shakespeare play. 1/


https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1276370013675573248?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 26, 2020, 11:28:30 am
9000 new cases in Floriduh
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 26, 2020, 12:10:31 pm
(https://www.capitalgazette.com/resizer/u6OwI0XjtwPDzfz10z-iz6CpB64=/800x443/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/YJLN5QJWUBB75JIAW7X6MQFUL4.JPG)

This asshole  (https://www.capitalgazette.com/coronavirus/ac-cn-tim-walters-coronavirus-20200626-5l3epvbptng4dn4ys5btb5zika-story.html)goes on the bus (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=25386.0)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 26, 2020, 02:23:54 pm
“south Atlantic “ WTF


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/maskwearing-coronavirus-analysis/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 26, 2020, 05:50:56 pm
We are rocking it today! 36,600 new cases..still time to go..can we hit our record from April? 39,000

I don’t think so

Thank you red states! 9 out of top 10 in new cases..not like you had any warning other than those damn NYC libtards

Waddap Cali? Why?

Despite its liberal rep, California has millions of rednecks in hundreds of small towns. After all, they've had several Republican governors over the last several decades, started tax cut fever in the 70s, and is home to many defense contractors.


Ok meant to write this earlier:

Almost half the cases in California- close to 100,000 are in Los Angeles County


So, why? After all they have been pretty aggressive from Newsom to the Mayor Garcetti..,, Did people just say fuck it and start partying or what?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 26, 2020, 06:05:44 pm
Almost half the cases in California- close to 100,000 are in Los Angeles County

So, why? After all they have been pretty aggressive from Newsom to the Mayor Garcetti..,, Did people just say fuck it and start partying or what?

there is a lot of disadvantage and poverty in LA county: folks living packed together in small spaces, working "essential" jobs like grocery and janitorial that put them in contact with the public.  social distancing isn't an option.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 26, 2020, 06:10:22 pm
Almost half the cases in California- close to 100,000 are in Los Angeles County

So, why? After all they have been pretty aggressive from Newsom to the Mayor Garcetti..,, Did people just say fuck it and start partying or what?

there is a lot of disadvantage and poverty in LA country: folks living packed together in small spaces, working "essential" jobs like grocery and janitorial that put them in contact with the public.  social distancing isn't an option.

We were supposed to be in LA this week before heading on to the Central Coast and then Yosemite. So glad we're not. Maybe next year.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 26, 2020, 06:59:11 pm
And it’s not looking like the heat is stopping this


Remains to be seen if it has the same virulence

Based on Arizona looking like it does..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 26, 2020, 07:32:21 pm
And it’s not looking like the heat is stopping this


Remains to be seen if it has the same virulence

Based on Arizona looking like it does..

I think it's young people taking Bill Maher's advice. More cases but lower death rate in the next couple of months. I'm still not spending any time indoors other than the weekly grocery store visit at 7am.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 26, 2020, 07:47:35 pm
Is that a joke? Young people watching Bill Maher?

Are you trying to reference something? Like me saying what he said is idiotic (which it was...very..notice Texas and Florida closing down bars post haste)




I get the whole younger people don’t die angle but have no faith in people’s ability to not pass it on until it hits vulnerable people..young Latinos in East Los Angeles don’t get together with their grandparents? Not all old people are at Sunrise or retirement communities of South Florida!

I mean I don’t know.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on June 26, 2020, 07:52:07 pm
On June 9 we had about 19,000 new cases..and it was a three day average about the same June 7 through June 9..today we are approaching 47,000 for ONE day


Something has gone horribly wrong


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 26, 2020, 08:09:27 pm
Bill Maher told young people to go out and stimulate the economy, and they are. I never said i agreed with him. Older people need to stay away from the younger people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 28, 2020, 11:48:22 am
Ok meant to write this earlier:

Almost half the cases in California- close to 100,000 are in Los Angeles County


So, why? After all they have been pretty aggressive from Newsom to the Mayor Garcetti..,, Did people just say fuck it and start partying or what?

So yeah, LA County has the beaches...Santa Monica, Long Beach, Malibu...apparently they're packed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 29, 2020, 11:48:30 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbsLnbcWsAY6joO?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2020, 12:10:55 pm
Rand Paul at the Senate coronavirus hearing: "We shouldn't presume that a group of experts somehow knows what's best for everyone."

Yes, Rand is a Dr.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 30, 2020, 04:58:06 pm
for the nerds:

This coronavirus mutation has taken over the world. Scientists are trying to understand why. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/06/29/coronavirus-mutation-science/)
 
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/virusmutant_infection_process/7HZDQQFK2RC7RJR2RAJPRZDUMY/virusmutant_infection_process-large.jpg?v=9)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 30, 2020, 05:03:28 pm
New risk factor: being a fratboy (http://www.dailyuw.com/article_62e898be-bb10-11ea-bad0-3fa27d82f9f0.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 30, 2020, 05:34:39 pm
"Antoine d'Agata has been using a thermal imaging camera to document people, in isolation and interacting, during the pandemic in France, with eerie and striking results. "

https://www.instagram.com/antoinedagata/ (https://www.instagram.com/antoinedagata/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 30, 2020, 06:47:07 pm
"Antoine d'Agata has been using a thermal imaging camera to document people, in isolation and interacting, during the pandemic in France, with eerie and striking results. "

https://www.instagram.com/antoinedagata/ (https://www.instagram.com/antoinedagata/)

made me feel like i'm Predator.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 01, 2020, 10:42:15 am
I knew it... the hardcore Republican area of VA




https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/as-the-state-prepares-for-broader-reopening-southwest-virginia-sees-rapid-covid-19-growth/article_4d565fb8-d214-51c7-a7d3-900ebb1d73d2.html?fbclid=IwAR3TnumUx3yJ7VU4WD5vLnlMLuYZfsWJVOedXeDEbnQQn5Bv_qS7sw8qFBc#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 01, 2020, 02:26:37 pm
Seems like a good time to have 300k people in DC
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3oKIPCUrWnuSA3QAg0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 01, 2020, 06:19:04 pm
Nearly 300,000 new documented covid19 cases in one week...


I am really hoping virus has weakened and/or it’s only hitting young people cause otherwise in two weeks it’s going to be ugly
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 01, 2020, 06:45:53 pm
have you seen any info about the virus weakening?  that would be amazing news, but unfortunately the only thing i've seen is the virus actually getting more virulent: This coronavirus mutation has taken over the world. Scientists are trying to understand why. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/06/29/coronavirus-mutation-science/) :(

infection rates among young people is up, thanks to them going to bars, beaches, etc. en mass as soon as they reopened.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 01, 2020, 07:39:42 pm
Bars absolutely must all close if we are serious


A bunch of drunk people yelling at each other at increasingly high volume in a small tightly packed indoor space is a recipe for disaster!!


I guess am just hopeful (no evidence) virus might lose some potency

I have to hope for something other than mass death



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 01, 2020, 08:36:51 pm
51086 new cases today..a new peak

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 11:40:37 am
Florida is reporting 10,109 new COVID-19 cases today!

Doing a bang-up job Gov D


Although, can someone give me a good reason this didn't happen earlier in FL
My understanding that tons of people from China and the EU came in via FL and cases would have spiked earlier in this state
There were massive spring break and biker fests in March/April

I do think that outdoor events like going to a protest or the beach pose a much lower risk for spreading
unlike bars/live music venues
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 02, 2020, 11:51:52 am
Except at the beach people congregate on boardwalks and bars by the beach


You have to close down beaches and bars stat
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 02, 2020, 12:00:02 pm
I think it takes time to spread..like NYC got slammed in March but it was probably spreading from December


Florida probably started spreading March and they are getting slammed now

What makes it so galling..so maddening is Florida refused to learn from Wuhan, Milan, NYC...

I mean in Florida people just kept partying..Spring Break baby!! Beach!!

On the other hand it must be admitted that Southern California seemed to take it seriously and is also losing control...they seemed to lose focus...lots of partying at the beach


In fact this virus seems to love partying, bars and live music!

Fucker
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 12:06:27 pm

In fact this virus seems to love partying, bars and live music!

Fucker
I think the thing is that alcohol and smoking probably make one more at risk and lowers your immune response too.  So putting you at higher risk of catching  (unlike at a protest where people are staying sober)

What is odd is stupidy isn't technically a risk-factor.  But it's becoming aperent it is.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 02, 2020, 12:17:29 pm
Definitely true about alcohol
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 02, 2020, 12:19:27 pm
I do think that outdoor events like going to a protest or the beach pose a much lower risk for spreading
unlike bars/live music venues

like hutchie said, the problem isn't the sand and surf - it's the boardwalks, rides, bars and restaurants around the beaches.

i also strongly believe that folks let the hair, and their guard, down at the beach.  you go there to relax and/or party, not to be careful and maintain a healthy dose of caution.  i suspect that some folks who wore masks and social distanced the week before threw everything out the window as soon as they heard the words "reopened." they make it a binary choice - full-on war-on-virus mode vs. PARTAY NAKED!!!111 - whereas it's shades of gray, AKA phased reopening (the early stages of which still require masks, distancing, etc.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 02, 2020, 01:10:55 pm

In fact this virus seems to love partying, bars and live music!

Fucker
I think the thing is that alcohol and smoking probably make one more at risk and lowers your immune response too.  So putting you at higher risk of catching  (unlike at a protest where people are staying sober)

What is odd is stupidy isn't technically a risk-factor.  But it's becoming aperent it is.

Definitely no. This is absolutely incorrect.

You have no immunity.  The symptoms of COVID are your body's immune system trying to figure out what to do.

Alcohol and smoking are higher risk factors, but only because they cloud your judgement and you no longer practice social distancing or wear masks.  (Tho for real, people going to bars probably didn't bring masks to begin with.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 01:37:06 pm

In fact this virus seems to love partying, bars and live music!

Fucker
I think the thing is that alcohol and smoking probably make one more at risk and lowers your immune response too.  So putting you at higher risk of catching  (unlike at a protest where people are staying sober)

What is odd is stupidy isn't technically a risk-factor.  But it's becoming aperent it is.

Definitely no. This is absolutely incorrect.

You have no immunity.  The symptoms of COVID are your body's immune system trying to figure out what to do.

Alcohol and smoking are higher risk factors, but only because they cloud your judgement and you no longer practice social distancing or wear masks.  (Tho for real, people going to bars probably didn't bring masks to begin with.)
Did a Dr tell you that or is that conjecture?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 02:05:09 pm
Herman Cain has been hospitalized and is being treated for COVID-19

Attend Tulsa without mask
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea_lixbWAAAdPOP?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 02:18:21 pm
Woman who coughed at two paramedics and said 'I have the virus' is jailed for six months (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/woman-who-coughed-at-two-paramedics-and-said-i-have-the-virus-is-jailed-for-six-months-1008680.html)


In Ireland...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 02:30:03 pm
Asking for a friend ....

I keep hearing about the constitutional right to not wear a mask in a Privately owned store.

So was that in the bill of rights? or tucked into an amendment where's it's in legalese?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 02:38:08 pm
what the actual fuck!

Family of Man Who Died of Coronavirus Hit With $1 Million Hospital Bill (https://www.newsweek.com/family-man-who-died-coronavirus-hit-1-million-hospital-bill-1515074?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1593707185)

"Over one million dollars for one person. Insurance paid $100,000 of it –10%. Mind you, they may accept insurance and clear this balance, but even so these numbers are insane," the user said, adding that their deceased family member had both Medicare and private insurance.

these Maga-idiots who fight universal health care are insane that THIS is a better way to operate a countries heathcare system
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 02, 2020, 03:04:03 pm
In America our only hope may be that the virus takes pity on us....we clearly have no plan or desire to do anything other than keeping on


https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-07-02-20-intl/h_fa914077a7e53a9636a144e228865a08
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 03:09:02 pm
may be that the virus takes pity on us....
Pity-pandemics are much worse than pity-sex
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 02, 2020, 04:09:03 pm

In fact this virus seems to love partying, bars and live music!

Fucker
I think the thing is that alcohol and smoking probably make one more at risk and lowers your immune response too.  So putting you at higher risk of catching  (unlike at a protest where people are staying sober)

What is odd is stupidy isn't technically a risk-factor.  But it's becoming aperent it is.

Definitely no. This is absolutely incorrect.

You have no immunity.  The symptoms of COVID are your body's immune system trying to figure out what to do.

Alcohol and smoking are higher risk factors, but only because they cloud your judgement and you no longer practice social distancing or wear masks.  (Tho for real, people going to bars probably didn't bring masks to begin with.)
Did a Dr tell you that or is that conjecture?

Which part are you doubting? Do you think you have immunity? Do you doubt that fever and inflammation are immune responses? Don't you agree that alcohol makes people act dumb impairs your judgement?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 02, 2020, 04:11:06 pm
Getting 🍿
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 04:48:23 pm
Did a Dr tell you that or is that conjecture?

Which part are you doubting? Do you think you have immunity? Do you doubt that fever and inflammation are immune responses? Don't you agree that alcohol makes people act dumb?
Honestly being snarky...but I do think there is SOO much we don't know about this, that I question the confidence of anyone who makes any statement like its fact on the internet.

If you were Doctor with a specialty in Infectious diseases, well then I might take you more seriously.

What I do think is Alcohol and cigarettes (and pot for that matter) make your body MORE susceptible to infections of any type
Your bodies ability to fight any infection is impaired, therefore you are more vulnerable to catch and be infected by Covid
Also I'd theorize that your bodies ability to fight or 'defeat' corona would also be impaired
Meaning that if a healthy sober person was in the same room as someone coughing up Covid, my theory is they would be a lot less likely to get and then have a serious possibly deadly infection than the drunk who was next to them

Although they say Alcohol over 60% kills it...so maybe we should all be drinking Barcadi 151

Just a theory, I'm doing some clinical trial studies right now, interested in signing up?
It's super easy to get funding right now, just making sure it's an open bar type arrangement

Maybe that some whakadoodle hippy theory...
I'm pretty confident that my take on things is mocked here...but I don't let that get me down

Now this fucking cast I have to wear for the next 4 weeks...that is getting me down
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 02, 2020, 05:32:58 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb8bYDsWkAQT829?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 02, 2020, 09:56:39 pm
Having pre-existing conditions (obesity, diabetes, etc) may put you at greater risk, but not having them doesn't confer protection.  I know a bunch of near-elite marathon runnners, including someone training for a sub-2:50. He contracted COVID and recovered,  but couldnt even walk a mile when he was discharged.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 02, 2020, 10:10:07 pm
Having pre-existing conditions (obesity, diabetes, etc) may put you at greater risk, but not having them doesn't confer protection.
To be fair, I’ve seen no one (on here or any place sane people exchange thoughts) claim such a thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 06:42:10 am
Kimberly Guilfoyle tests positive for COVID
Interesting how the wives of these guys are getting Covid
I’m not really sure what that means but I’m sure Some snarky joke would fit in here well
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 01:12:09 pm
At least 15 states broke their single-day novel coronavirus infection records this week

"Right now, if you look at the number of cases, it's quite disturbing. We're setting records, practically every day, of new cases in the numbers that are reported. That clearly is not the right direction," NIAID director Anthony Fauci told medical journal JAMA on Thursday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 05, 2020, 01:24:23 pm
Chocolate por la noticia!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2020, 03:54:08 pm
it is nice to finally hear good news out of MI
thanks Gov Whitmere for Liberating Michigan of the influence of team trump!  You saved lives
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcL8tM2XkAMDmKd?format=jpg&name=medium)

Gov abbot...we need to talk about you killing your citizens
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 06, 2020, 06:05:32 pm
I'm sure this gets the Hutch Seal Of Approval
DEVO – Energy Dome PPE Kit (Personal Protection Equipment (https://www.impactmerch.com/retail/product/devo-energy-dome-ppe-kit/)
(https://townsquare.media/site/838/files/2020/05/devo-energy-dome-ppe-coronavirus-shield.jpg)
$60 seems a little steep if it doesn't come with the yellow jumpsuit

This year marks the 40th anniversary of the release of the album Freedom of Choice and the first appearance of the Energy Dome. Devo is celebrating in a very Devo way–buy selling official Energy Dome hats with face shields. As the band said, “The Dome collects energy that escapes from the crown of the human head and pushes it back into the Medula Oblongata for increased mental energy. It’s very important that you acquire a plastic hard hat liner adjusted to your head size and fix it with duct tape or super glue to the inside of the dump. This allows the Dome to float just about the cranium and thus do its job. Unfortunately sans hard hat liner the recirculation of energy will not occur!”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 06, 2020, 06:08:26 pm
Damn...mayor of ATL
Keisha Lance Bottoms@KeishaBottoms
COVID-19 has literally hit home. I have had NO symptoms and have tested positive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 06, 2020, 09:25:18 pm
Excellent Twitter thread on vaccines and future (https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1280283199445311488)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 06, 2020, 10:29:01 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/yS7bq5j/The-COVID-Grille.jpg)

The Grille at Flower Hill in Gaithersburg has a very peculiar way of responding to complaints. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-mask-restaurant-gaithersburg/2020/07/06/36cc9192-bf9b-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html)

RIP their Yelp page (https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-grille-at-flower-hill-gaithersburg-2)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 06, 2020, 10:34:11 pm
WTF is happening?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 07, 2020, 03:16:57 am
Asking for a friend ....

I keep hearing about the constitutional right to not wear a mask in a Privately owned store.

So was that in the bill of rights? or tucked into an amendment where's it's in legalese?

ever hear of a retailer taken to court over "no shirt, no shoes, no service"?  why would masks be different?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on July 07, 2020, 11:34:56 am
Brazilian Prez tests positive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 07, 2020, 12:28:24 pm
Brazilian Prez tests positive

so predictable.  it's one thing to bravely dismiss the virus but keep a protective bubble of around you ("pulling a donnie"), vs. bravely dismiss the virus and mingle with crowds of your supporters, shake hands, kiss cheeks, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 07, 2020, 05:35:28 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107469436_10157522220570998_4750776548871610387_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_oc=AQnyCSP_J_qrtPJV51nMvzDjo58JaavcDkh1OyhM2xmMXHFqAYpDWCVmbUJkutgI44M&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=86d515cc031b0fac38bea779f00db840&oe=5F293D48)

every time i do it makes me laugh... then cry, cry and cry.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 07, 2020, 09:23:25 pm
60,000 new cases today


Can we do 70k? Stay tuned for another episode of “Freedumb: wackos and nutjobs”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 08, 2020, 12:23:58 am
60,000 new cases today


Can we do 70k? Stay tuned for another episode of “Freedumb: wackos and nutjobs”

How about Page 100? Hey, Walky!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 08, 2020, 09:33:28 am
This thread has grown so fast, it's almost viral.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2020, 09:37:05 am
It’s as if it’s consuming the world!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 08, 2020, 09:37:34 am
(tho fr, its only 99 pages if you leave the "replies per page" at the forum default of 15)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 08, 2020, 10:53:00 am
This thread has grown so fast, it's almost viral.
Its a poor mans Rolling Compendium of Integers: A Guide to Whole Numbers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 08, 2020, 12:23:55 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107375878_1206645449722509_5401135648951853727_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQkz9-9LbzaSfb6hex1gsLmF8JCENgnkD78sKlNn2KKeMA6-TljBGIgCngyxVRHa8Zs&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=dbf6d542d0165143c08bcb5722fb6cf3&oe=5F2B384A)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 08, 2020, 03:12:40 pm
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She was previously married to Gavin Newsom.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 08, 2020, 03:14:57 pm
Just found out a friend thought he had COVID and thought he would tough it out at home and did for a while...but finally went in to get tested.

His COVID test was negative, but further testing revealed cancer.

Sigh. Life sucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2020, 03:51:18 pm
damn Space...that sucks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2020, 03:55:13 pm
She was previously married to Gavin Newsom.
well it's good to see Gavin now has good taste
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bb3fabe1f0000250123f3b1.jpeg?ops=scalefit_630_noupscale)
I find Guilfoyle extremely unattractive, looks like a Real Housewives of New Jersey
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 08, 2020, 04:10:28 pm
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She was previously married to Gavin Newsom.

right, further proof of her having no taste: she prefers donnie jr to newsome. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2020, 04:17:46 pm
Honestly I wouldn’t put anything past Trump, Donnie and this lady...


Who knows what’s going on?

People who believe these people saying they are dating.....that’s a bridge too far....it could all be for show..she could be doing Daddy...she is of course getting paid by the campaign

I mean look at Melania...I really think that’s an economic transaction..why should we assume this is any different?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 08, 2020, 04:21:16 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/2tFYFQN/screaming.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 08, 2020, 04:42:15 pm
So bands won’t ask us to holler no more?


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 08, 2020, 05:33:25 pm
"let me hear you NOT make some nooooooooooooiiiiiiise!!!"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2020, 05:49:43 pm
Herman Cain has been hospitalized and is being treated for COVID-19

Attend Tulsa without mask
Health official: Trump rally ‘likely’ source of virus surge  (https://apnews.com/ad96548245e186382225818d8dc416eb)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 09, 2020, 09:09:52 pm
Maybe tomorrow?

We have stalled at 65551.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 10:05:13 am
Schools is going to become a huge issue



Am sure Space is celebrating

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-holds-meeting-on-possible-start-date?fbclid=IwAR0Pa0dP7G-GKTT1zsILsqQ7mFXGb70Tkq_9QPrJDo4RNE1D8Umkflc3Aa0


Makes sense...six months wasn’t enough time to get ready
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 10, 2020, 10:14:33 am
If Montgomery County Public Schools opts to have students in school buildings in the fall, families can expect their children will be required to wear masks, buses to operate at 25% capacity and classrooms to be half full to try to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-says-massive-undertaking-underway-in-overhaul-to-fall-classes/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 10:19:25 am
We are reconsidering what we want to do (Our kids go to school in Arlington)

It’s going to become a huge political issue...state by state..school district by school district...going to get very ugly
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 10, 2020, 11:28:03 am
The argument in my household is not in person two days of school per week vs. distance learning (which are the two choices in Fairfax County). It's FCPS distance learning vs. third party homeschooling.

FCPS has already cancelled the first two weeks of school (and they're not extending the ending.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 11:45:03 am
I was sure we would do the two days a week at school but now leaning towards distance learning


Either way it’s going to really suck...our kids have special needs and NEED to be around other kids and get special services


The way things are heading our area schools may not even be able to offer the two days a week in school (not that we would avail ourselves of that)


Thanks Red states for fucking it up
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 11:54:35 am
Nice shade News5
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eck2wXXXgAExj89?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 12:12:45 pm
And that’s the thing..a ton of Americans agree with Trump..even liberals are going on vacations - with extended families (I see the posts on FB)- and just saying Fuck it I ain’t old ain’t going to kill me...my kids need our traditional vacay with their cousins


Brings me back to why Trump got elected..cause a shitload of Americans are assholes!!!


The lack of solidarity in America during this covid shitshow is astonishing

What happened to the we are at war with covid?

The sad thing is refusing to accept scientific reality is going to really fuck things up for everyone in a couple of months

Bringing it back to music I now think a lot of small venues aren’t going to survive..they would have if we had tried to do like 99% of the world and get this shit under control...but we gave up

I am a mess of emotions on this..angry, sad, ashamed

It really sucks

Saying we needed to find an equilibrium and reopen smartly didn’t mean what too many states have done..it’s just so embarrassing and has real consequences for all our lives..some of which are hard to foresee

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 10, 2020, 12:39:39 pm

Either way it’s going to really suck...our kids have special needs and NEED to be around other kids and get special services


Mrs grateful is a paraeducator for a student who needs one-on-one assistance, which has not, does not and cannot work in a distance learning situation.  That kid's education basically stopped in March.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 12:46:15 pm
never heard paraeducator before...thanks for my new thing learned today

I did see a great AKA:  paraswami
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: gavroche on July 10, 2020, 01:16:17 pm
And that’s the thing..a ton of Americans agree with Trump..even liberals are going on vacations - with extended families (I see the posts on FB)- and just saying Fuck it I ain’t old ain’t going to kill me...my kids need our traditional vacay with their cousins


It's been clear for two months, or more, that the Republicans were committed to starving the economy into opening. The country cannot stay shut down without programs like UI that allow low wealth households to survive while the economy is shut down. Governors cannot stay shut when Trump is riling up his supporters.

The country could make it fine if it wanted to for a good long while.  It would require redistribution of some wealth from the top to the bottom.  Instead, the bailout worked the other way, shuffling money to the uber wealthy so they could buy distressed assets on the cheap.

So of course liberals aren't going to chip in.  Why bother sacrifice for a lost cause?  Especially if you are being forced into a crowded office and so aren't safe at work?   
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 02:28:11 pm
It’s too easy to just blame Trump and Republicans


The people I see on my FB at the beach..getting together with extended family...are wealthy...and liberal

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 10, 2020, 02:50:48 pm
It’s too easy to just blame Trump and Republicans


The people I see on my FB at the beach..getting together with extended family...are wealthy...and liberal

I'm not at the beach and don't plan to be but you don't get COVID outdoors at the beach. You get it when you go into the bars, shops, and restaurants after your day at the beach.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 02:59:34 pm
yeah, seems like the issue is indoor prolonged exposure
after ALL these protests, there has been very little indication that those events were spreading things
but a lot has been traced to bars/parties/churches

that's where the school thing is an issue...spending the entire day with other indoor is not the same as a 1 hour visit to the grocery store once a week

*I'm not a doctor and my advice should be taken at your own risk
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 03:03:54 pm
Right


Nobody is getting it when they go out to dinner with family, hang for hours in beach houses, drive together in cars


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 03:05:18 pm
And we don’t know 100% how people get it


We have heard many cases of people at the beach picking it up and going back to their community and spreading covid


But some people just want to argue
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 10, 2020, 03:07:31 pm
yeah, seems like the issue is indoor prolonged exposure
after ALL these protests, there has been very little indication that those events were spreading things
but a lot has been traced to bars/parties/churches

that's where the school thing is an issue...spending the entire day with other indoor is not the same as a 1 hour visit to the grocery store once a week

*I'm not a doctor and my advice should be taken at your own risk

I guess regarding indoor spread in schools, workplace, etc. is how much will 100% mask compliance help prevent spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: gavroche on July 10, 2020, 03:15:32 pm
It’s too easy to just blame Trump and Republicans


The people I see on my FB at the beach..getting together with extended family...are wealthy...and liberal

It's just a prisoners dilemma.  Once you know that there is nothing to gain by working together, you of course start taking care of yourself first and foremost.  Trump made it clear that we wouldn't be working together.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 03:24:40 pm
Huh? Nothing to gain by avoiding covid?

That’s a weird thing to say

And the idea letting this thing get out of control isn’t going to impact us?

This keeps going the way it is there are going to be serious repercussions for everyone
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 03:46:47 pm
So isn't massive testing the solution.
Shouldn't the state have all staff and students take a test before returning to the classroom?
If you keep out those who are infected, you are lowering the risk substantially


I think there was a lot of mistrust of the results of the tests, but I think a lot of people are confusing it with the Antibody tests

It seems like the scientific community has a lot of faith in the current testing

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-accurate-are-covid-19-diagnostic-and-antibody-tests#Two-tests-that-diagnose-an-infection

statements like this make you feel good
If performed correctly, RT-PCR swab tests “would be pretty close to 100 percent accurate,”

although this statement has me concerned.
To get the most accurate results, RT-PCR tests should be conducted 8 days after suspected exposure or infection, to ensure that enough viral material is present to detect.

So you could have been infected/exposed, but have to wait 8 days before they can see it in test results


This also happened to me, when I had two different tests
“If you’ve had this test and it wasn’t uncomfortable, it wasn’t done correctly,” Schaffner told Healthline.

I was happy with the first test, as they only put a regular Q-tip in, but the other test was the brainstem touch one
not painful, but uncomfortable



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 03:59:14 pm
So you test kids and teachers every day before they go to school or just before the first day? Every week?

Going back to school worked if we had this under control but the way it’s going...it may not be feasible in many places...of course Trump will insist...


But what about teachers?

I kind of think it’s like sports...not workable unless we really get this under control





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 04:11:02 pm
So you test kids and teachers every day before they go to school or just before the first day? Every week?
I have no idea, but I don't hear a single person talking about it

At a minimum, tests a few weeks before the start and you have to submit your results prior to start
Obviously anyone showing the slightest symptoms would be sent home for 10 days and required to take a test before returning

then periodic testing?

I think the same should be for any staff/3rd party people that work at nursing homes/hospitals/dr's offices

I'm just spitballing (although I'll keep my spit on this side of the computer screen)

...of course Trump will insist...
he can insist all he wants, the states/counties run the schools, not the federal gov't

while no chump change, the Fed's only fund about 8% of pubilc schools
(costs about $13k a year per pupil )
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 10, 2020, 05:21:05 pm
The point is it’s not really very realistic unless covid is under control

The first case of a school having an outbreak would be the end of it...

We already see outbreaks happening in camps...

Most states aren’t even able to do contact tracing...way too many cases
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 10, 2020, 07:29:36 pm
Oh the places you can't go... (https://medium.com/@indica/the-plague-states-of-america-53b20678a80el)
(https://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*4MrrGLdGQJHGtxKSs-0KPA.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2020, 08:39:38 am
70k in on day
So much winning
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2020, 01:04:35 pm
German soccer club offers free coronavirus tests for 20,000 fans http://hill.cm/g1JVztV
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 11, 2020, 02:07:57 pm

The Grille at Flower Hill in Gaithersburg has a very peculiar way of responding to complaints. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-mask-restaurant-gaithersburg/2020/07/06/36cc9192-bf9b-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html)

Follow up: This guy is a massive piece of work (https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/07/restaurant-that-shut-its-doors-rather-than-require-staff-wear-masks-likely-to-change-ownership/)

"(P)eople need to be exposed to germs."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2020, 02:38:00 pm

The Grille at Flower Hill in Gaithersburg has a very peculiar way of responding to complaints. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-mask-restaurant-gaithersburg/2020/07/06/36cc9192-bf9b-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html)

Follow up: This guy is a massive piece of work (https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/07/restaurant-that-shut-its-doors-rather-than-require-staff-wear-masks-likely-to-change-ownership/)

"(P)eople need to be exposed to germs."
This misconception I think is also a problem
Asked if he thinks that the coronavirus is a threat to health, he cites the claim by President Donald Trump that 99% of all coronavirus cases are harmless.

1. taking medical advice from a reality show TV star can kill you
2. Just because you don't die, doesn't mean it's harmless. 

The info on long term impacts on survivors is getting a little press.  But I keep hearing how people are still on oxygen, not even remotely back to what they were. 
Long term issues with the brain, nervous, circulatory and pulmonary systems too
there is no way that doesn't impact life expectancy and quality of life for survivors

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 11, 2020, 04:50:47 pm
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Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2020, 07:08:07 pm
Damn I was hoping if Trump wore mask he would be struck by lightning
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 11, 2020, 08:10:48 pm
New York Times: Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk' for coronavirus spread

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2020, 08:24:28 pm
Yeesh


It could have gone ok but we messed up


If we average 60,000 cases for 115 days by election time we will have 10 million confirmed cases...it’s just unbelievable to me...my neighbor and I were talking and shaking our heads cause the way this is going things may not be handled til 2021
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: gavroche on July 13, 2020, 11:49:02 am
Huh? Nothing to gain by avoiding covid?

That’s a weird thing to say

And the idea letting this thing get out of control isn’t going to impact us?

This keeps going the way it is there are going to be serious repercussions for everyone

If you work in a risky environment, once you are forced back to work then there is very little you can do to prevent yourself from getting COVID.

And there is nothing that any of us can do to stop the virus when 35% of the public thinks the virus isn't serious and the rest of us have to work to keep our livelihoods.

I have a hard time condemning people who are forced to go into factories and places like that for going on vacation, when they see that the country is being forced open.  Leadership matters.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 13, 2020, 12:04:24 pm
Well my fellow humans, it's been nice knowing you. Stick a fork in us, we're done.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-new-uk-study-shows-antibodies-fade-after-three-weeks-2020-7

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 13, 2020, 01:59:39 pm
Why does it have to be the end? Plenty of countries in Europe had it bad and are now carrying on with infections in the hundreds and deaths in the teens...


This isn’t so hard!


Now if your people refuse to wear masks, can’t stop going to bars and having Covid parties then, yea, the end might have to come...

I guess I just don’t see why provided people and businesses take precautions things can’t reopen...

Meat packing plants that are Super spreaders ? Shut them down

Again, not that hard


Nobody is being asked to go to war here!




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 13, 2020, 02:12:11 pm
man the DMV was looking good...things are starting to go the wrong direction
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/coronavirus-in-dc-maryland-virginia-what-to-know-on-july-13/2359669/

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 13, 2020, 02:29:08 pm
New York City zero deaths


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/health/new-york-city-coronavirus-zero-deaths/index.html


We can do this if we want
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 13, 2020, 10:59:07 pm
Democrats will be faced with a tough choice


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/politics/covid-aid-congress-mitch-mcconnell/index.html


Just with respect to concert venues no deal means no aid and will make it hard for some venues to survive ...a deal doesn’t necessarily mean aid will arrive

I would vote NO...whatever Republicans put forth will have too many poison pills

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: gavroche on July 14, 2020, 11:00:20 am
Democrats will be faced with a tough choice


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/politics/covid-aid-congress-mitch-mcconnell/index.html


Just with respect to concert venues no deal means no aid and will make it hard for some venues to survive ...a deal doesn’t necessarily mean aid will arrive

I would vote NO...whatever Republicans put forth will have too many poison pills

This next bill will look more like the R bill than the House HEROES Act.  My guess it will be Senate bill plus a couple of thing.

Dems will absolutely capitulate on business liability, but it won't even be a capitulation because Schumer and Pelosi want to help them out, they just don't want to say it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 11:53:42 am

In fact this virus seems to love partying, bars and live music!

Fucker
I think the thing is that alcohol and smoking probably make one more at risk and lowers your immune response too.  So putting you at higher risk of catching  (unlike at a protest where people are staying sober)

What is odd is stupidy isn't technically a risk-factor.  But it's becoming aperent it is.

Definitely no. This is absolutely incorrect.

You have no immunity.  The symptoms of COVID are your body's immune system trying to figure out what to do.

Alcohol and smoking are higher risk factors, but only because they cloud your judgement and you no longer practice social distancing or wear masks.  (Tho for real, people going to bars probably didn't bring masks to begin with.)

1 in 3 young adults vulnerable to severe Covid-19 — and smoking plays a big part, research finds (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/health/young-adults-smoking-risk-coronavirus-wellness/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 14, 2020, 02:20:16 pm
Hey Hutch, I heard Arlington County Schools just made the decision for you.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 02:27:05 pm
Yeah Hutchette just called to give me the good news


In the horrible grand scheme of it I think it’s for the best..I had sort of decided already I wouldn’t send them to school

They need to just focus all resources on making online teaching and learning the best it can be

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 03:55:18 pm
yeah to boot this was a headline today
Arlington Sees Highest One-Day Coronavirus Case Total Since May



This was also a headline
Arlington has again claimed the title of “America’s Fittest City.”

take that Seattle slackers!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 04:22:57 pm
Those kind of rankings (“Top cities for...” or “Best cities in..”) always make no sense to me but Arlington is always at the top or very near...sometimes it doesn’t even ring true...I wonder if it has to do with Arlington being like the smallest county or something like that


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 14, 2020, 05:17:54 pm
six reasons for optimism (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/14/need-some-good-news-about-covid-19-here-are-six-reasons-optimism/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 14, 2020, 05:30:36 pm
six reasons for optimism (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/14/need-some-good-news-about-covid-19-here-are-six-reasons-optimism/)
This is what I keep saying and glad to hear that this is a reason to be optimistic
Rapid, low-cost saliva tests are also coming, and, as my colleague Michael Mina and Laurence J. Kotlikoff recently pointed out, they are a game-changer. Why? These are like home pregnancy tests but for covid-19. Imagine a test you could take at home every day, that gives you an answer in a few minutes after spitting into a vial and costs only $1 to $5. Such a test would change our ability to slow outbreaks where early detection is everything. It would also help consumer confidence and slow down this economic crisis. Want to go to school or work or a Broadway show? Show your rapid test was negative. These tests are not perfectly accurate, but the counterintuitive part is that they don’t have to be. More important than accuracy are speed and frequency of testing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 05:38:55 pm
If people won’t wear a mask cause “Freedumb!!” you think they will willingly take test?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 14, 2020, 05:45:52 pm
reasons for pessimism: people like this....

Rush Limbaugh: Americans should “adapt” to coronavirus, like famous pioneers who “had to turn to cannibalism” (https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/rush-limbaugh-americans-should-adapt-coronavirus-famous-pioneers-who-had-turn)
Limbaugh: “Life has to go on… And I believe this should become one of the themes that the president adopts, as he adapts to what’s necessary going forward in his presidential campaign”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 14, 2020, 05:54:40 pm
My concern with a vaccine is how it functions. If it's like a conventional vaccine (weakened virus that stimulates immunity but doesn't cause illness) then it might be easy to require it by law in some circumstances, e.g. attend public school. But if it takes a novel approach and its long-term safety is not yet known, anti-vaxxers will have a solid case for refusing it.

There are 154 vaccines in development, conventional and otherwise. Many will work, probably including some conventional.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 06:00:11 pm
I mean I was talking about this with my mom a couple of days ago and I was saying I cannot see taking a vaccine straight away...wouldn’t it be kind of stupid to do so (before knowing what side effects there might be)?



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 14, 2020, 06:07:28 pm
any new vaccine will be tested.  either most, or all, of the side-effects will be known.  if the vaccine is available, the side-effects are better than the disease.

you know what definitely has nasty side-effects?  COVID-19.

i'll take my chances with the vaccine.  can't wait for the side-benefit of being able to go out and enjoy many aspects of normal life again.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 06:17:02 pm
It was an honest question


You think they can rush a vaccine out in October and have fully tested for side effects say a year after taking it?

Usually vaccines take years to develop so I think it’s fair to be concerned about vaccines developed in 6 months..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 14, 2020, 06:45:08 pm
it's a perfectly valid question. apologies if my reply came across otherwise.

we won't have 100% certainty that any vaccine is completely safe.  there will be a risk with taking a rushed vaccine.  but in my estimation, the risk will be much lower than the risks associated with contracting COVID-19.  one could avoid both risks by continuing to shelter at home, but i'm willing to accept the risk of a rushed vaccine in return for the ability to go about in public.  i'll probably still wear a mask, tho.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 14, 2020, 08:11:27 pm
if the vaccine is available, the side-effects are better than the disease.

It’s entirely possible that some side effects could be quite nasty. Worse than the virus? Unlikely, but very undesirable nonetheless.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 08:52:46 pm
I think the side effects from vaccine could be worse than covid given many people don’t experience any symptoms from covid.

Let’s say I wouldn’t have experienced symptoms or adverse impacts- yes, impossible to know- and I get vaccine and have serious side effects.

This has to be balanced by the fact I wouldn’t spread it if vaccine was successful in preventing me from getting it.

On the other hand I have hardly gone out in four months and plan to keep it that way.

How can they test for future impact from vaccine if they basically have it out in a few months?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 14, 2020, 11:00:11 pm
What side effects do you think there will be? What side effects are you afraid of?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 14, 2020, 11:06:46 pm
I have no idea...could be anything

How would I know?

Like any medical products I put in my body, much less my kids, I will want to be sure it’s not going to cause harm.


Is what I am saying unusual? Asking it be seriously tested seems reasonable



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 06:52:06 am
What side effects do you think there will be? What side effects are you afraid of?
The side-effect in the Will smith movie I am Legend
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 15, 2020, 08:23:12 am
The side effects scare me less than the anti-vaccine folks who will refuse to take it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 15, 2020, 09:16:02 am
Boy you guys like to live dangerous!


I am sure we will take the vaccine but like everything you stick in your body a little due diligence is a good idea


Pardon me if I am skeptical of big pharmaceutical companies...I guess everyone but me missed all the stories about the drugs that caused permanent damage to people
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 09:38:03 am
well you as an American citizen are covered by damage caused by vaccines and seek redress in the 'vaccine court'
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/05/vaccine-safety-program/589354/
U.S. government has, over the past three decades, paid more than $4 billion to people who claim to have been harmed by vaccines.


So you could turn that side-effect into a windfall?

(FYI..this is not an anti-vaxx article)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 15, 2020, 10:57:40 am
Drugs and vaccines are two very different things. Very different. Drugs work on different pathways and are often recognized by your body as "poison", even while being effective treatments.

Vaccines will either work to create immunity or they won't. Many vaccines will cause swelling or redness at the injection site. Every vaccine carries a universal warning:

"People sometimes faint after medical procedures, including vaccination. Tell your provider if you feel dizzy or have vision changes or ringing in the ears. As with any medicine, there is a very remote chance of a vaccine causing a severe allergic reaction, other serious injury, or death."

That's pretty generic stuff, and honestly could be applied to peanuts as easily as a shot.

Also, the flu vaccine (which I suspect the COVID vaccine will be similar to) comes in Live Vaccine and Inactivated Vaccine flavors. Live vaccines are generally regarded as safe and tend to be more effective. Live vaccines contain deactivated viruses which cannot give you the disease that you are trying to build immunity to.

You can read the side-effects of most major vaccines here:  https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 15, 2020, 10:58:51 am
Also, I got 2 rounds of the shingles vaccine during the pandemic. I was laid up for 1-2 days with a low grade fever / chills and fatigue.  Really messed with my mind re: COVID!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 15, 2020, 11:03:33 am
This is very encouraging, but it's too early to call it a done deal:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483?articleTools=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 15, 2020, 11:56:23 am
With Walmart and Sam's club now requiring masks, I suspect one will see paparazzi level of people standing around store entrances with smartphones in hand...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 15, 2020, 03:29:29 pm
With Walmart and Sam's club now requiring masks, I suspect one will see paparazzi level of people standing around store entrances with smartphones in hand...


 (https://media.giphy.com/media/gl0mkIZOW6Nwc/source.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 15, 2020, 03:36:54 pm
Pardon me if I am skeptical of big pharmaceutical companies...I guess everyone but me missed all the stories about the drugs that caused permanent damage to people

yes, there have been dozens of drugs with side-effects... vs. thousands that have had none.  stop playing up the vaccine risks.  you're all one step away from joining a "mom's against gov't vaccine brain-control" google group...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 15, 2020, 03:48:18 pm


It’s reasonable for me to be cautious if a new vaccine is produced in record time: a few months







Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 15, 2020, 03:56:26 pm


It’s reasonable for me to be cautious if a new vaccine is produced in record time: a few months

Faster now because we're using modern technology.


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 15, 2020, 04:41:32 pm
Like I said I will be careful what I put in my body - and even more so my kids


Having said that we always have gotten all the vaccines and flu shots

Although some negative reactions are like when you take the flu shot, right?


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-induced-adverse-reactions-more-half-trial-participants
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 15, 2020, 04:53:56 pm
Like I said I will be careful what I put in my body - and even more so my kids


Having said that we always have gotten all the vaccines and flu shots

Although some negative reactions are like when you take the flu shot, right?


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-induced-adverse-reactions-more-half-trial-participants

Those side effects are exactly what one would expect from a vaccination of this type.  Also, the side effect of immunity.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 15, 2020, 04:58:14 pm
Geezus just confirming

Why you all being pricks?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 05:04:35 pm
Why you all being pricks?
has something changed, that seems to be the norm ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2020, 05:13:59 pm
Hmm...not 100% what he is saying about enforceable standards, but I guess we'll wait and see

Ralph Northam@GovernorVA
BREAKING: In the absence of federal action, Virginia has just become the first state in the nation to adopt *enforceable* workplace safety standards for #COVID19.

Workers should not have to sacrifice their health and safety to earn a living—especially not during a pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 15, 2020, 09:30:29 pm
It’s reasonable for me to be cautious if a new vaccine is produced in record time: a few months

Agreed. Clinical trials normally take years.  Any trial that is completed in months would seemingly ignore long term effects, for starters. Seems like that would be important in this particular case.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 15, 2020, 09:42:08 pm
It’s reasonable for me to be cautious if a new vaccine is produced in record time: a few months

Agreed. Clinical trials normally take years.  Any trial that is completed in months would seemingly ignore long term effects, for starters. Seems like that would be important in this particular case.

Again, what long term affects are you afraid of w/r/t a vaccine? Vaccines either confer immunity or they don't.


The only long term side effect of a vaccine is immunity.


https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/A_E/Comparisons-of-the-effects-of-diseases-and-the-side-effects-of-vaccines (https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/A_E/Comparisons-of-the-effects-of-diseases-and-the-side-effects-of-vaccines)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 16, 2020, 02:04:02 am
The only long term side effect of a vaccine is immunity.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/safety/side_effects
https://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/1201/p2113.html
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/vaccines/art-20048334
https://www.seattlechildrens.org/conditions/a-z/immunization-reactions/

for a vaccine to be approved, the benefits (ex: immunity) have to vastly outweigh the risks (including side-effects).  so you're much better off getting vaccinated than not, but you can't say the only side-effect of getting vax'ed is immunity.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 10:06:10 am
@charlesornsteinI had hoped it was a glitch, but no...The @CDCgov  hospital capacity dashboard has gone dark. @CDCDirector
 has said CDC still has access to the data but apparently the public no longer does.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdDPw0EXYAIoh82?format=png&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 10:14:50 am
Vaccines are not approved by the CDC, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 10:46:52 am
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) Center for Biologics Evaluation and ResearchExternal (CBER) is responsible for regulating vaccines in the United States.

Testing and evaluation of the vaccine before it’s licensed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and recommended for use by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)


FDA approves, CDC recommends
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 10:55:58 am
@charlesornsteinI had hoped it was a glitch, but no...The @CDCgov  hospital capacity dashboard has gone dark. @CDCDirector
 has said CDC still has access to the data but apparently the public no longer does.

Well this is good news to counter that
@JohnsHopkins
We do not currently source any data from the CDC, so reporting on JHU’s coronavirus dashboards (U.S. & Global) will not be affected
.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 11:22:22 am
So I should just accept without skepticism the recommendations of this highly politicized CDC that the vaccine is good to go...say hypothetically like in October, right before the election?




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 16, 2020, 11:29:45 am
I would take advice from a local medical doctor rather than some rando CDC employee or washed up music forum boardie.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 11:34:54 am
Will the local doc have access to the information that led the CDC to issue its recommendation?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 11:41:42 am
And will the local doc spend days analyzing all this data? How do you know the doc won’t just do as usual and assume if the CDC says so they must have good reason? Do you think most docs realize just how corrupt the current CDC and all these government agencies might become in order to deliver an October surprise to save a Trump presidency? Should I ask our kids Dr if they are Republican?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 11:54:18 am
I would take advice from a local medical doctor rather than some rando CDC employee or washed up music forum boardie.
hey man, don't be so hard on yourself ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 16, 2020, 12:01:10 pm
washed up music forum boardie.
Is the forum, the club, or us boardies washed up? Or some combination of the three?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 12:26:58 pm
I think he was referring to Sweetcell..


Anyways Hutchette has a Masters in Public Health and works with CDC regularly so am sure we will follow HER recommendation...Maybe I will ask her sometime for her thoughts
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 12:40:15 pm
has a Masters in Public Health and works with CDC regularly
So are you saying she's compromised?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 12:42:07 pm
I will challenge her of course.....but she will make the call..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 12:54:18 pm
"You can't plan for something that hasn't happened yet" - Betsy Devos, when asked what she would do if there is an outbreak of Covid in schools. There is no plan to protect our children.
--
Cue every disaster manager in the country screaming into a pillow
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 16, 2020, 01:52:37 pm
I mean, isn't "something that hasn't happened yet" embedded in the definition of "plan"?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 16, 2020, 01:58:46 pm
this highly politicized CDC

wait, the CDC is highly politicized?

maybe i'm missing something here, but so far the CDC has been offering solid scientific advice.  it's the white house that has been muzzling it - suppressing reports, preventing its reps (like Fauci) from speaking, etc.  based on what i've seen and read, we'd be MUCH better off if we followed CDC advice - but trump has consistently said "nah".
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 16, 2020, 02:01:15 pm
She lives by the credo "If you fall off a turnip truck, you get back on."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 02:01:58 pm
this highly politicized CDC

wait, the CDC is highly politicized?
I don't think the implication was that the CDC is policical...more that it's become a culture war to take the red pill or the blue pill on this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 16, 2020, 03:40:47 pm
Ok...if we can't get testing done one way...another city's aproach...test their shit

officials in Elko County did a sewage survey and think that 2,000 (of the county's ~20,000 residents) are actively infected with COVID-19, @ElkoDaily  reports. Last night, Elko County reported 151 active infections, 288 cases total.

https://elkodaily.com/news/local/sewage-survey-10-coronavirus-infection-rate-in-elko-community/article_405a6b92-a0ae-57c1-9fcc-bb66ce950e8f.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 16, 2020, 10:29:54 pm
75,000+ baby!!!


Ain’t no stopping US now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 17, 2020, 03:44:18 am
Ok...if we can't get testing done one way...another city's aproach...test their shit

officials in Elko County did a sewage survey and think that 2,000 (of the county's ~20,000 residents) are actively infected with COVID-19, @ElkoDaily  reports. Last night, Elko County reported 151 active infections, 288 cases total.

https://elkodaily.com/news/local/sewage-survey-10-coronavirus-infection-rate-in-elko-community/article_405a6b92-a0ae-57c1-9fcc-bb66ce950e8f.html

a friend of the missus works for the local water authority, and says that they've been testing waste water for months now.  the virus load in the waste water is a leading indicator of outbreak.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 17, 2020, 10:39:33 am
Could this potentially be helpful?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/07/08/super-heated-air-filter-can-catch-and-kill-coronavirus/#2ac608882a06
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 17, 2020, 12:04:13 pm
Could this potentially be helpful?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/07/08/super-heated-air-filter-can-catch-and-kill-coronavirus/#2ac608882a06

Perhaps, but it also makes a fantastic roast chicken.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 17, 2020, 03:05:17 pm
"You can't plan for something that hasn't happened yet" - Betsy Devos, when asked what she would do if there is an outbreak of Covid in schools. There is no plan to protect our children.


Source? I hate DeVos as much as anyone but where’d that come from?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 17, 2020, 03:18:06 pm
"You can't plan for something that hasn't happened yet" - Betsy Devos, when asked what she would do if there is an outbreak of Covid in schools. There is no plan to protect our children.


Source? I hate DeVos as much as anyone but where’d that come from?
Well apparently I was duped...it sounded real and someone put it in quotes ...my bad

Eric Feigl-Ding@DrEricDing
Because of the controversy of the DeVos planning quote, I’ve deleted the earlier post. But it’s origins was from another poster (comment #3 below), & he had seemed to paraphrase it from this Dana Bash exchange. It carries similar meaning but because it’s not exact, I’ve removed.

4) screenshot of the original source of the quote for record - now deleted by OP. It’s a bit exaggerated compared to the actual statement above. But Devos clearly doesn’t have a plan at all.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdFaQUsXsAAo3GU?format=jpg&name=large)

2) The quote was from another source, paraphrased. It seems adapted from these screenshot paragraphs. Dana Bash asked if Devos what if there is a flare up, and then Bash asked if Devos has a plan & she punted both times, saying someone will figure it out. https://washingtonpost.com/education/2020


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdEUd3yXkAAJcQG?format=jpg&name=large)

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 17, 2020, 09:59:55 pm
You just don’t know what to believe


I just heard Redfield say he expects multiple vaccines later this year...then I read this:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/With-coronavirus-antibodies-fading-fast-focus-15414533.php
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 18, 2020, 05:52:02 pm
Beware of social butterflies: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/18/coronavirus-superspreading-events-drive-pandemic/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_virussuperspreader-235pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans) researchers have estimated in recent studies that some 10 to 20 percent of the infected may be responsible for 80 percent of all cases
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 18, 2020, 06:56:58 pm
You just don’t know what to believe


I just heard Redfield say he expects multiple vaccines later this year...then I read this:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/With-coronavirus-antibodies-fading-fast-focus-15414533.php

Yeah, sure seems like we're toast.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 18, 2020, 08:33:42 pm
Can't read the entire article - even incognito - but the first 3 paragraphs are very troubling.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 18, 2020, 09:58:24 pm
You just don’t know what to believe


I just heard Redfield say he expects multiple vaccines later this year...then I read this:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/With-coronavirus-antibodies-fading-fast-focus-15414533.php

Yeah, sure seems like we're toast.

Maybe not: Immune cells may recognize the coronavirus years later (https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/scitech/science/747421/immune-cells-may-recognize-the-coronavirus-years-later-low-interferon-levels-identify-high-risk-covid-19/story/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 19, 2020, 11:43:58 am
This seems like big news

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/politics/unemployment-benefits-economy-congress/index.html


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 19, 2020, 11:51:14 am
I watch very little live TV and haven’t for the past decade
So my exposure to TV advertising has been limited

But these COVID ads ... yikes what a tightrope to scale to not come off out of touch and not feeling dystopian

Uber’s ad Just struck me as it ended with
No mask, no ride
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2020, 04:18:45 pm
yikes....
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
We are United in our effort to defeat the Invisible China Virus, and many people say that it is Patriotic to wear a face mask when you can’t socially distance. There is nobody more Patriotic than me, your favorite President!

So is he now going to say that he's been promoting the mask the whole time
do we think this is because of the bad polling

I will say, he does have a gift for getting under the skin of all the people who aren't MAGA
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on July 20, 2020, 04:33:51 pm
Need groceries but think wearing a mask is un-American?  Head on over to Winn-Dixie! No mask required! Just a waiver, maybe.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on July 20, 2020, 05:13:24 pm
What about, the Piggly Wiggly?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 21, 2020, 12:43:39 pm
MD and VA added to the list of states required to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in New York State. DC not on list. If NoVA were a separate state, they would not be on the list.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/cuomo-leery-of-2-key-threats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2020, 12:50:40 pm
Fudge...had plans for a NY visit in Aug
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 21, 2020, 12:53:46 pm
MD and VA added to the list of states required to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in New York State. DC not on list. If NoVA were a separate state, they would not be on the list.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/cuomo-leery-of-2-key-threats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/cuomo-leery-of-2-key-threats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/)

how quaint that they think folks will actually self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival.  bubba just flew across the country to visit mom, and now he's supposed to hole up in a hotel for 2 weeks?  it's the right thing to do, but i seriously question the level of compliance this is going to enjoy.  we can't even get a significant portion of the population to wear a mask for 30 minute while they grocery shop - does anyone think these same people are going self-isolate for any amount of time?  i supposed it gives authorities a framework to go after folks, after the fact...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 21, 2020, 01:14:55 pm
MD and VA added to the list of states required to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in New York State. DC not on list. If NoVA were a separate state, they would not be on the list.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/cuomo-leery-of-2-key-threats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/cuomo-leery-of-2-key-threats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/)

how quaint that they think folks will actually self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival.  bubba just flew across the country to visit mom, and now he's supposed to hole up in a hotel for 2 weeks?  it's the right thing to do, but i seriously question the level of compliance this is going to enjoy.  we can't even get a significant portion of the population to wear a mask for 30 minute while they grocery shop - does anyone think these same people are going self-isolate for any amount of time?  i supposed it gives authorities a framework to go after folks, after the fact...

Gov. Cuomo just flew to Georgia for some COVID related business, and he's not quarantining upon arrival back home.

I was just up in upstate NY (in a county with numbers much lower than NoVA, where i was still diligently distancing and masking and avoiding anything indoors other than my host's house), visiting my family over July 4 weekend....long before VA was added to this list...my brother wouldn't let me drive us around in my more comfortable car for fear we'd be harassed by the locals because of my VA tags.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2020, 03:38:48 pm
^ that should go in the Hey Seth thread  :o
Fucking savage. Good God, that man has a family, Hatch.
so to be clear...wasn't meant as a burn, but to say...hey maybe we can do concerts in those 'bumper tables'
imagine how fun it would be to slam dance

Welp...that bumper table idea ended horribly

Fish Tales in Ocean City, MD

We regret to inform you that Fish Tales will be closed until further notice. It was brought to our attention tonight that 3 of our staff members have tested positive for Covid-19. Upon receiving this news, we immediately closed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 21, 2020, 05:38:01 pm
Shit just got real where it needs to: Texas to delay high school football for big schools amid coronavirus pandemic (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/21/covid-live-updates-us/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_virus-luf-1225am%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo#link-MBLZNQGZO5FS7I7FS6GWWSUHXQ)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 22, 2020, 12:55:20 am
The crisis deepens gets weird: Cornell University suspends its swim test for graduating seniors (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/covid-live-updates-us/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_virus-luf-1223am%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo#link-DDGSJHWSINC2TCUEHMBES4DG7A)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 09:40:39 am
Ok hoping you guys cAn help make sense here


NY state has had 435,000 covid cases with 32,600 deaths

CA has had 410,000 covid cases with 8,000 deaths

FL has had 370,000 covid cases with 5,200 deaths

TX has had 357,000 covid cases with 4,300 deaths


So, obvious question why so much higher death rate in NY?

One theory could be that NY had a much higher number of covid cases than testing demonstrated or TX, CA, FL?

It’s a huge difference
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 09:46:36 am
According to JHU CA has more cases than NY now...

But only 25% of deaths?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 09:56:02 am
So, obvious question why so much higher death rate in NY?

One theory could be that NY had a much higher number of covid cases than testing demonstrated or TX, CA, FL?

It’s a huge difference
I have heard that treatment methods are much more effective now than they were in March/April
So a good thing I guess
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2020, 10:05:59 am
Or the virus strain in NYC was more virulent?


Amazing nobody even mentions it and people keep parroting what a great job Cuomo did!!! I mean did he?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 22, 2020, 10:09:40 am
It could also be that the NY cases hit more people with greater risk factors and therefore had a greater death rate.

But I guessing that there is a great deal more testing going on now. CA is probably catching more people who are positive and asymptomatic, while NY probably focused on testing people with symptoms.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 10:23:54 am
Or the virus strain in NYC was more virulent?
That is also being said
Obviously there are soo many unknowns

Also as Heilu said could be the way they were doing the testing and weren't catching the Asymptomatic super spreaders early

Sounds like some people are much better than others at spreading it around

Amazing nobody even mentions it and people keep parroting what a great job Cuomo did!!! I mean did he?
I think this reaction is based on where you get your news from
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2020, 10:38:02 am
who would have thunk that Dave would be the voice of the generation
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/07/dave-grohl-pandemic-reopening-schools-health-teachers/614422/


So, with me being a high-school dropout, you would imagine that the current debate surrounding the reopening of schools wouldn’t register so much as a blip on my rock-and-roll radar, right? Wrong.

My mother was a public-school teacher.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2020, 11:25:50 am
Instead of sending people stimulus checks, why not send them RAPID Covid tests (did i hear that they cost $1-$5?) People  could self test three times a week. And then require employers to fully fund sick leave if someone tests positive?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 11:28:02 am
That would make too much sense...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 11:33:41 am
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1184945/bill-gates-vaccines-schools-closed-donald-trump/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2020, 11:54:52 am
You know Bill Gates can't be trusted as he's trying to microchip us*






*I couldn't find the sarcasam font
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2020, 11:56:41 am
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1184945/bill-gates-vaccines-schools-closed-donald-trump/

I'm resigned to school not coming back in person this school year. I hope they can get it started in Fall 2021, when my kid will be a freshwoman.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 12:00:00 pm
It’s such a debacle for my kids...just spent 30 stressful minutes trying to get my 8 year old on his summer school meeting...

All that for a 5 minute check in meeting that taught him 0
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 23, 2020, 12:27:58 pm
And then require employers to fully fund sick leave if someone tests positive?

just because testing & paying folks to stay home worked in suppressing the virus in all other countries doesn't mean it'll work here.  get real.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 23, 2020, 04:28:35 pm
1 million new documented Covid19 cases in 15 days America....or 66666.66/ day


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 07:52:47 am
So now the CDC wants us to open schools
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/reopening-schools.html

did trump take out his sharpie on this?


This is also kinda scary too
People who have had mild to moderate COVID-19 can come out of isolation after 10 days and don't need to be retested before going back to work, new CDC guidelines say.

Although the Onion comes in for the win!
Desperate CDC Now Just Claiming Wearing A Mask Will Make You Rich And Famous Beyond Wildest Dreams (https://www.theonion.com/desperate-cdc-now-just-claiming-wearing-a-mask-will-mak-1844480733)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 24, 2020, 01:37:40 pm
remember when republicans tried to scare us with obama's "death panels"?  yeah, that aged well:

COVID-19 patients will be ‘sent home to die’ if deemed too sick, Texas county says (https://amp.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article244443257.html)
A county health board – which governs Starr Memorial – is set to authorize critical care guidelines Thursday that will help medical workers determine ways to allocate scarce medical resources on patients with the best chance to survive. (...)  “Unfortunately, Starr County Memorial Hospital has limited resources and our doctors are going to have to decide who receives treatment, and who is sent home to die by their loved ones”


absolutely heart-breaking.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 02:03:28 pm
There is something to dying with your family in your home vs. in a hospital surrounded by bright lights/beeping machines all alone most of the time.

The effort to extend life vs the quality of life is big and something most Americans are not comfortable with
I'm a supporter of in home hospice
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 24, 2020, 02:08:13 pm
If you're not from DC, and you're not from one of the 17 states that are still allowed non-quarantined entry entry into New York State, you're going to have to quarantine for 14 days upon entry into DC. VA and MD are excepted, but if they weren't, they'd have to quarantine.

https://dcist.com/story/20/07/24/bowser-orders-mandatory-quarantine-for-nonessential-travelers-from-high-risk-areas/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 24, 2020, 02:15:06 pm
There is something to dying with your family in your home vs. in a hospital surrounded by bright lights/beeping machines all alone most of the time.

Home hospice requires some level of professional assistance, right? Wonder whether those kind of resources are available there.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 24, 2020, 02:21:46 pm
There is something to dying with your family in your home vs. in a hospital surrounded by bright lights/beeping machines all alone most of the time.

The effort to extend life vs the quality of life is big and something most Americans are not comfortable with
I'm a supporter of in home hospice

completely agreed - but i want it to be a choice.  in this case, a panel is choosing for you whether or not granddad gets an ICU bed and treatment.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 02:28:54 pm
There is something to dying with your family in your home vs. in a hospital surrounded by bright lights/beeping machines all alone most of the time.

Home hospice requires some level of professional assistance, right? Wonder whether those kind of resources are available there.
For sure, but the cost to the hospital/insurance co/government pales in comparison to keeping someone in the hospitable for a few hours
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 24, 2020, 03:49:15 pm
If you're not from DC, and you're not from one of the 17 states that are still allowed non-quarantined entry entry into New York State, you're going to have to quarantine for 14 days upon entry into DC. VA and MD are excepted, but if they weren't, they'd have to quarantine.

https://dcist.com/story/20/07/24/bowser-orders-mandatory-quarantine-for-nonessential-travelers-from-high-risk-areas/

So what if you fly to BWI, Dulles or National, then uber to DC?  Then you're OK?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 24, 2020, 07:03:19 pm
If you're not from DC, and you're not from one of the 17 states that are still allowed non-quarantined entry entry into New York State, you're going to have to quarantine for 14 days upon entry into DC. VA and MD are excepted, but if they weren't, they'd have to quarantine.

https://dcist.com/story/20/07/24/bowser-orders-mandatory-quarantine-for-nonessential-travelers-from-high-risk-areas/

So what if you fly to BWI, Dulles or National, then uber to DC?  Then you're OK?

You're ok if you're coming from one of the exempted states (VA, MD, and about 17 or so others)", otherwise you need to quarantine for 14 days. This applies if you're a resident of one of the 35 states, or if you're a DC resident who has visited one of them.

*35 is a rough estimate.

The crazy thing is you could hit the bars in VA Beach for a week and be exempt from this, but hit a remote cabin in NC for a week (or a day) and it would apply.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 24, 2020, 09:27:36 pm
Depressing


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/maryland-virginia-dc-coronavirus-increases/2020/07/24/216aadf6-cc4e-11ea-b0e3-d55bda07d66a_story.html#click=https://t.co/rrnTEg6U51


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 24, 2020, 10:14:15 pm
CLOSE      THE      BARS
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 27, 2020, 08:34:24 am
I wonder if and when this will happen?

Just start with shutting the bars and indoor dining and stronger mask enforcement.

https://abc7chicago.com/second-shutdown-covid-coronavirus-doctor-letter/6334320/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 27, 2020, 09:17:56 am
and churches
https://www.al.com/coronavirus/2020/07/a-small-alabama-church-had-a-revival-and-now-40-people-have-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 01:33:43 pm
The American Federation of Teachers has authorized local and state strikes if schools reopen without certain safety measures in place.
Yikes...this is going to all get way worse before it gets better
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 05:19:38 pm
Damn


https://theweek.com/speedreads/927908/even-mild-coronavirus-cases-cause-lasting-cardiovascular-damage-study-shows
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 10:14:33 am
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2020, 10:17:45 am
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.
LOL his name is Louie. What a rube!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 29, 2020, 10:29:39 am
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.


Wait wasn’t he on the 🚌?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 29, 2020, 10:34:57 am
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.


Wait wasn’t he on the 🚌?

yes very much so, another texas idiot who refused to wear a mask... jon stewart used to rip him to shreds
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 29, 2020, 12:17:27 pm
in the olden days, to plan a trip you needed a lonely planet guidebook and online reviews of local attractions.

in the age of COVID, you need this (https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/).  use the "event size" slider to pick size of event, then see on map what the chances are that at least once person is infected at that event.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2020, 02:52:52 pm
in the olden days, to plan a trip you needed a lonely planet guidebook and online reviews of local attractions.

in the age of COVID, you need this (https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/).  use the "event size" slider to pick size of event, then see on map what the chances are that at least once person is infected at that event.


Thanks. Will keep this in my brain on upcoming vacation. Maybe even reference it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 02:59:15 pm
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.

I can't help but think that if I hadn't been wearing a mask so much in the last 10 days or so, I really wonder if I would have gotten it."

Louie G waxes about that the wearing a mask got him covid
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2020, 04:58:26 pm
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.

I can't help but think that if I hadn't been wearing a mask so much in the last 10 days or so, I really wonder if I would have gotten it."

Louie G waxes about that the wearing a mask got him covid

And Kevin McCarthy mistakingly gives Louie a new nickname
Kevin McCarthy accidentally calls Louie Gohmert "Congressman COVID" (https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1288577803387117572)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 29, 2020, 06:22:36 pm
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.
LOL his name is Louie. What a rube!

seems to me that "gohmert" is the worse part of that name.  sounds like a dim-witted sidekick from some 50's show: "righty then, i'll go rescue the dame while you... GOHMERT! leave those chickens alone and come help me, for gosh sake!"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2020, 06:25:30 pm
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.
LOL his name is Louie. What a rube!

seems to me that "gohmert" is the worse part of that name.  sounds like a dim-witted sidekick from some 50's show: "righty then, i'll go rescue the dame while you... GOHMERT! leave those chickens alone and come help me, for gosh sake!"
Gomer Pyle from the Andy Griffith Show and then his spinoff.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 29, 2020, 06:27:02 pm
Texas Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT has tested positive for the coronavirus.
LOL his name is Louie. What a rube!

seems to me that "gohmert" is the worse part of that name.  sounds like a dim-witted sidekick from some 50's show: "righty then, i'll go rescue the dame while you... GOHMERT! leave those chickens alone and come help me, for gosh sake!"
Gomer Pyle from the Andy Griffith Show and then his spinoff.

thank you for doing what my brain could not.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 29, 2020, 07:54:42 pm
Next to the Congressman, Gomer Pyle was a Mensa. He was also super nice, gentle, and talented.

Just today, I was thinking about how Republicans gave us Dubya, whom we thought was the stupidest yokel imaginable in the office, then managed to go even lower on the class ranking with Trump. Can the GOP top that?

GOHMERT 2024
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 30, 2020, 01:06:01 pm
valid point: if a dem was in office right now, the senate would have demanded impeachment. 

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/116259993_3635890033122619_7208689672871637803_n.png?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=da1649&_nc_ohc=g2uq9YyFHd8AX-3_3ju&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=65ec204fde975ccccdcb00e1ab7b29db&oe=5F469D2E)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 30, 2020, 01:27:57 pm
Been saying democrats should impeach again

But people say that’s counterproductive

I kind of accept that
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 30, 2020, 01:53:47 pm
Been saying democrats should impeach again
weren't you against it the first time?

I think that the House should go through the motions and who cares if it gets to the senate
more investigations, more testimonies
Get some of these senators who are looking to lose there seat ...if they refuse to appear, will look bad too

it will all get delayed in the courts, but there is no way it makes him look good
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on July 30, 2020, 02:44:44 pm
I was against it to a point in time...then I accepted it was impossible not to impeach even though it would not remove him from office
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 30, 2020, 03:05:36 pm
D.C. Public Schools will be all-virtual in the fall, the mayor announced Thursday
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 31, 2020, 04:58:19 pm
there... is... no... bottom...

welp, if the following is true, we may well have a glimpse of the actually bottom. 

How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/how-jared-kushners-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air)
This spring, a team working under the president's son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control. So why did the White House spike it in favor of a shambolic 50-state response?


background/tl;dr from a friend:

"This looks really bad, and Vanity Fair has documents to back up their source. The White House had a nationwide testing/tracing plan in March, received the tests, but then axed the plan because the virus was affecting blue states worse at the time. They decided it would be a political mistake to institute nationwide testing when instead they could blame Democratic governors.

The deal was shady, too. They bought the tests from a UAE company totally off the books. The only reason we know about it is because that company has released the documents and receipts.

A national testing and tracing plan has been instrumental in every country that has successfully managed covid-19. If the White House's plan was put into action in April, as was originally the goal, it could have saved tens of thousands of lives and prevented the severe economic damage that we are now facing. Instead, the White House wanted the opportunity to criticize Cuomo and praise DeSantis. Now New York has turned it around while Florida, Texas, and Arizona are the epicenters. I would say "womp womp" if it wasn't so fucking tragic."



i'm generally not in favor of another impeachment, but should the above be true i'd be willing to make an exception.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 03, 2020, 10:36:09 pm
Dogs had a 94% rate of detection of Covid in humans
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-020-05281-3
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 10:58:56 am
How much COVID spread are these two events going to cause?

https://nationalactionnetwork.net/register-for-nans-march-on-washington-get-your-knee-off-our-necks/

https://www.aberdeennews.com/covid19/why-the-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-is-a-go-despite-opposition-from-residents/article_866a44f8-c78c-11ea-9dca-2fa63f39872a.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 04, 2020, 11:16:57 am
I’m no doctor
but I have not heard any reports of widespread infections from any of the protests
If there are I would like to know

biggest issues have been bars churches, nursing homes and indoor events
I heard close contact for prolonged periods of time is the high risk
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on August 04, 2020, 11:22:25 am
X
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 11:36:18 am
I’m no doctor
but I have not heard any reports of widespread infections from any of the protests
If there are I would like to know

biggest issues have been bars churches, nursing homes and indoor events
I heard close contact for prolonged periods of time is the high risk

Will people be riding packed busses to get to this march?

https://nationalactionnetwork.net/commitment-march-get-your-knee-off-our-necks/register-to-travel-to-the-reclaim-the-dream-march-on-washington/


Would you choose to ride the social distance bus, or the rona bus?

PHILADELPHIA, PA
1 Buses
Departing
August 28th – 4am
Dare to Imagine Church
6610 Anderson St.
Philadelphia, PA 19119

Returning
August 28th – 12pm

Price
$55 for a seat on the “Regular Bus” ( bus will hold 50 people) $100 for a seat on the “Social Distance Bus” (bus will hold 25 people and you have 2 seats to yourself)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 04, 2020, 11:40:48 am
Will people be riding packed busses to get to this march?

This sounds like a conservative talking point rather than genuine concern for the safety of the marchers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 11:53:50 am
Will people be riding packed busses to get to this march?

This sounds like a conservative talking point rather than genuine concern for the safety of the marchers.

I am neither conservative, nor genuinely concerned for the safety of people making poor decisions...be they marchers or motorcycle enthusiasts.

I just want COVID to be contained rather than spread, and i see both of these events as poor decisions at this point in time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 04, 2020, 11:56:39 am
X
Did you say pendant?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on August 04, 2020, 12:08:10 pm
Well you may not consider yourself conservative but when you keep parroting Fox News talking points over and over its time to look in the mirror.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 12:19:14 pm
Well you may not consider yourself conservative but when you keep parroting Fox News talking points over and over its time to look in the mirror.

My school district thinks 50 kids on a bus ride in the community is a bad idea in terms of COVID spread. Are you saying that 50 people on a bus ride from Philly is not a bad idea in terms of COVID spread?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 04, 2020, 12:23:42 pm
Will people be riding packed busses to get to this march?

This sounds like a conservative talking point rather than genuine concern for the safety of the marchers.

I am neither conservative, nor genuinely concerned for the safety of people making poor decisions...be they marchers or motorcycle enthusiasts.

I just want COVID to be contained rather than spread, and i see both of these events as poor decisions at this point in time.

So you're emphasizing your own personal interests over racial equity.  Sounds conservative enough.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 12:32:41 pm
Will people be riding packed busses to get to this march?

This sounds like a conservative talking point rather than genuine concern for the safety of the marchers.

I am neither conservative, nor genuinely concerned for the safety of people making poor decisions...be they marchers or motorcycle enthusiasts.

I just want COVID to be contained rather than spread, and i see both of these events as poor decisions at this point in time.

So you're emphasizing your own personal interests over racial equity.  Sounds conservative enough.

Do you believe your own trollish drivel?  What are the odds of this march bringing about racial equality?

And I'd prefer nobody be going on bus rides, be they students or marchers. It's too high risk and thus a danger in terms of COVID spread.



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on August 04, 2020, 12:33:27 pm
There have been dozens of examples of Space’s conservatism


He may be the perfect example of what MLK termed the white moderate man that while not a racist is what stands in the way of progress on civil rights.

Let’s not forget for months Space’s position on Covid that we were overreacting...the cure worse than the problem..throw the old people overboard so his kid could go to school....etc


This went on for MONTHS

Again, exactly the Fox News Republican party line...


Yet he remains sadly unaware continuing to argue he is neither this or that...perfectly reasonable in the middle
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 12:47:10 pm
There have been dozens of examples of Space’s conservatism


He may be the perfect example of what MLK termed the white moderate man that while not a racist is what stands in the way of progress on civil rights.

Let’s not forget for months Space’s position on Covid that we were overreacting...the cure worse than the problem..throw the old people overboard so his kid could go to school....etc


This went on for MONTHS

Again, exactly the Fox News Republican party line...


Yet he remains sadly unaware continuing to argue he is neither this or that...perfectly reasonable in the middle

Andrew Cuomo's initial position was to send the sick people back to nursing homes. But that didn't quite work out, so his position evolved.

The virus evolves and more knowledge is gained, so of course people's thoughts evolve in reaction to events and knowledge.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 04, 2020, 12:49:01 pm
Welcome to the dark side!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on August 04, 2020, 12:55:29 pm
Yes but a person has credibility or not depending on their past positions. You don’t just say hey that was the past focus on the future!

Again, if you find yourself parroting Fox News you might want to look in the mirror and take a breather from expressing opinions on important issues. Be self aware! Realize just how wrong you are often and listen to others that haven’t repeatedly made your mistakes. It’s called learning..


I mean do we really need your advice on Covid given your track record?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 01:06:59 pm
I don't watch or read Fox News, so I don't think I'm parroting them.

 My track record on COVID is that I've managed to avoid catching it while doing all kinds of outdoor activities over the past 4.5 months. I was an early adopter of wearing a mask, and I'm keenly aware of what activities are more risky than others. Or as aware as current knowledge is known.

 I don't know that I'm giving anyone advice, but if i am you can feel free to take it or leave it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2020, 01:28:02 pm
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1290656843031879682/photo/1
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on August 06, 2020, 10:43:27 pm
this seems fair.
students in georgia suspended from school for taking and sharing pictures of their school ....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/08/06/georgia-teens-shared-photos-maskless-students-crowded-hallways-now-theyre-suspended/?   (https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/08/06/georgia-teens-shared-photos-maskless-students-crowded-hallways-now-theyre-suspended/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_georgiaschools-550pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 06, 2020, 10:46:07 pm
this seems fair.
students in georgia suspended from school for taking and sharing pictures of their school ....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/08/06/georgia-teens-shared-photos-maskless-students-crowded-hallways-now-theyre-suspended/?   (https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/08/06/georgia-teens-shared-photos-maskless-students-crowded-hallways-now-theyre-suspended/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_georgiaschools-550pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans)
Supposedly the school has a “no posting pictures of minors online without their consent” rule. Basically this school system just gave them a killer college essay if they know how to spin the righteous indignity.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on August 06, 2020, 10:51:36 pm
I don’t think that’s fair at all...I would kind of consider those photographs whistleblower evidence


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 07, 2020, 09:56:54 am
Only 5 months too late, first attempt at contact tracking is rolling out in VA
Sounds a little big brother,  Trump’s commentary will actually matter and I’m concerned he will choose chaos over common sense
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/first-us-app-using-apple-google-coronavirus-notification-technology.html?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 07, 2020, 10:03:18 am
Didn’t realize only VA, but it has to start and it really isn’t that hard to do. 

The app is called: Covidwise
Sounds like could be a band name contender
Covidwyze

I installed it, I’m trusting the Guv to only use my data for good
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 07, 2020, 11:10:33 am
I don’t think that’s fair at all...I would kind of consider those photographs whistleblower evidence

Make sure you use that one on your Cal Berkley application, not your Liberty application.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on August 07, 2020, 11:34:59 am
this seems fair.
students in georgia suspended from school for taking and sharing pictures of their school ....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/08/06/georgia-teens-shared-photos-maskless-students-crowded-hallways-now-theyre-suspended/?   (https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/08/06/georgia-teens-shared-photos-maskless-students-crowded-hallways-now-theyre-suspended/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_georgiaschools-550pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans)
Supposedly the school has a “no posting pictures of minors online without their consent” rule. Basically this school system just gave them a killer college essay if they know how to spin the righteous indignity.

This kid clearly gets it. No chance I would have at that age. I did get in trouble for wearing my Mr. Zog's Sexwax T-shirt though.


  https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/us/georgia-teen-photo-crowded-school-hallway-trnd/index.html      (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/us/georgia-teen-photo-crowded-school-hallway-trnd/index.html)


But students in grades 9 through 12 are exempt from the phone ban, Watters said, and she didn't post the photo until school was over. Watters admitted she broke the policy on posting images of students to social media, but she doesn't regret it.
"I'd like to say this is some good and necessary trouble," Watters said. "My biggest concern is not only about me being safe, it's about everyone being safe because behind every teacher, student and staff member there is a family, there are friends, and I would just want to keep everyone safe."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 07, 2020, 12:04:23 pm
this seems fair.
students in georgia suspended from school for taking and sharing pictures of their school ....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/08/06/georgia-teens-shared-photos-maskless-students-crowded-hallways-now-theyre-suspended/?   (https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/08/06/georgia-teens-shared-photos-maskless-students-crowded-hallways-now-theyre-suspended/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_georgiaschools-550pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans)
Supposedly the school has a “no posting pictures of minors online without their consent” rule. Basically this school system just gave them a killer college essay if they know how to spin the righteous indignity.

This kid clearly gets it. No chance I would have at that age. I did get in trouble for wearing my Mr. Zog's Sexwax T-shirt though.


  https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/us/georgia-teen-photo-crowded-school-hallway-trnd/index.html      (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/us/georgia-teen-photo-crowded-school-hallway-trnd/index.html)


But students in grades 9 through 12 are exempt from the phone ban, Watters said, and she didn't post the photo until school was over. Watters admitted she broke the policy on posting images of students to social media, but she doesn't regret it.
"I'd like to say this is some good and necessary trouble," Watters said. "My biggest concern is not only about me being safe, it's about everyone being safe because behind every teacher, student and staff member there is a family, there are friends, and I would just want to keep everyone safe."

Roy Wood Jr. said it best

Roy Wood Jr- Ex Jedi
@roywoodjr

They tried to suspended this child to teach her a lesson but all they did was free her up for 3 days of media rounds. ADVANTAGE: Student

https://twitter.com/roywoodjr/status/1291753846440710146?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on August 07, 2020, 08:54:48 pm
Moderator Delete if not okay here, but "Save the Ottobar" is now a thing on gofundme...please help one of my favorite clubs survive this.

 https://www.gofundme.com/f/save-the-ottobar   (https://www.gofundme.com/f/save-the-ottobar)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 07, 2020, 09:38:43 pm
Ok by me... more than likely they are in the same independent music venue org
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2020, 04:02:03 pm
Didn’t realize only VA, but it has to start and it really isn’t that hard to do. 

The app is called: Covidwise
Curious... have any Virginians installed this

This seemed to be rolled out worse than new coke
I have heard Zero people talking about this in the news or social media
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 09, 2020, 04:04:48 pm
Didn’t realize only VA, but it has to start and it really isn’t that hard to do. 

The app is called: Covidwise
Curious... have any Virginians installed this

This seemed to be rolled out worse than new coke
I have heard Zero people talking about this in the news or social media
The 35 and under part of my social media group are all about this. I agree that this is not really getting advertised enough to get enough people using it for it to work fully.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 10, 2020, 10:57:58 am
]The 35 and under part of my social media group are all about this.
I didn't know you were a TikTok'er
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on August 10, 2020, 05:25:00 pm
Nashville stepping up with the covid-denial analingus for the win.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/nashville-broadway-bars-party-pandemic-masks-1041693/      (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/nashville-broadway-bars-party-pandemic-masks-1041693/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 09:09:13 am
What side effects do you think there will be? What side effects are you afraid of?
The side-effect in the Will Smith movie I am Legend
Putin says Russia's coronavirus vaccine has been registered; his daughter is among those inoculated

So does anyone remember how soon it took for people to turn into zombies in that movie?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 10:03:19 am
I’m no doctor
but I have not heard any reports of widespread infections from any of the protests
If there are I would like to know
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfFbMemXgAEA8JF?format=png&name=900x900)
Where there have been more Black Lives Matter protests, there have actually been fewer Covid-19 cases since June.
Correlation is not causation, but this lines up with other evidence showing the protests didn't lead to outbreaks.
@germanrlopez
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 11, 2020, 10:20:22 am
Why Diet Coke May Be in Shorter Supply Due to Spread of Virus (https://www.nbcwashington.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/why-diet-coke-may-be-in-shorter-supply-due-to-spread-of-virus/2226250/)

The Crisis continues: Dr. Pepper acknowledges canned soda shortage, working on solution (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/dr-pepper-acknowledges-canned-soda-shortage-working-solution/RHKZTQ3IJRHSXNLVZFDMPCW2KU/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 10:37:20 am
Why Diet Coke May Be in Shorter Supply Due to Spread of Virus (https://www.nbcwashington.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/why-diet-coke-may-be-in-shorter-supply-due-to-spread-of-virus/2226250/)

The Crisis continues: Dr. Pepper acknowledges canned soda shortage, working on solution (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/dr-pepper-acknowledges-canned-soda-shortage-working-solution/RHKZTQ3IJRHSXNLVZFDMPCW2KU/)

Was funny that Charmin responded
@Charmin
Welcome to the club. We feel your pain.😉

The can shortage was discussed in the beer thread in February I think...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2020, 02:57:18 pm
Yikes....not looking good for schools reopening as planned.

Coronavirus cases lead over 800 to quarantine in Georgia school district where masks not required (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-cases-lead-over-800-quarantine-georgia-school-district-where-n1236364?)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 11, 2020, 04:40:54 pm
i can't believe that there is still a single school in the country that is still contemplating opening in the fall.  i'm not aware of any school that has been able to open for more than a few days before mass quarantines and/or shutdowns are required. 

if you're going to open, at least be honest - "listen, students and parents, some of you are going to get COVID.  we know it's going to happen, so start preparing now.  here's how to handle infection..."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 11, 2020, 04:44:19 pm
file under "we've already told you there is no bottom":

that awful cesspool that is the Sturgis motorcycle rally.  old, overweight, chain-smoking diabetics inhaling fumes all day, packed in like sardines, with zero masks not social distancing. how could this pit of despair possibly get any worse?

Smash Mouth holds packed concert at motorcycle rally (https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/08/11/smash-mouth-band-coronavirus-attitude-crn-vpx.cnn)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: gavroche on August 11, 2020, 05:39:49 pm
file under "we've already told you there is no bottom":

that awful cesspool that is the Sturgis motorcycle rally.  old, overweight, chain-smoking diabetics inhaling fumes all day, packed in like sardines, with zero masks not social distancing. how could this pit of despair possibly get any worse?

Smash Mouth holds packed concert at motorcycle rally (https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/08/11/smash-mouth-band-coronavirus-attitude-crn-vpx.cnn)

I ran through so many bikers on their way up to Sturgis.  My favorite was the dude, blocking the hotel entrance, who said, "if they make my kid wear masks he won't be going back to school.  It's a health risk, they cut off the oxygen to the brain."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 12, 2020, 03:52:29 pm
Hoping this guy gets COVID, very soon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/12/masks-florida-ban-billy-woods/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_flamask-205pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 13, 2020, 01:56:02 pm
I think this is smart and think Ralph is doing a great job!

Ralph Northam@GovernorVA
As a pediatrician, I'm proud to announce the launch of a new study to assess #COVID19 antibodies among Virginia's children.
We know children are impacted by disease in a different way than adults—this study will provide key insights as we continue our battle against #COVID19.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on August 14, 2020, 01:16:10 am
Every once in a while I read these absolutely terrifying news articles with quotes from credible people basically saying we could be dealing with this for years....and at best until end of next year


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 14, 2020, 10:28:34 am
I think so many people are thinking that this will all go away when we have a vaccine. But the likelihood is that the COVID vaccine will act a whole lot more like the flu vaccine (i.e., 40% effective, required seasonally) than say, the polio vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 14, 2020, 11:00:31 am
it's all conjecture at this point
but my feeling is it will be like the flu vaccine and have to administer annually
it is going to mutate

I did here that they feel that it will still be effective if less than 2/3s get it due to it's contagion factor
i.e. measles ...very contagious and need like 95% people vaccinated

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on August 14, 2020, 11:25:15 am
YeH but will we change the way we are living?


Seems like some experts are doubtful


I mean no social gatherings could be necessary for at least another year and a half? My 77 year old mother lives in Argentina...when can she safely fly up here? When she is 79?!? When will kids be able to go to school? Are concerts out until 2022?!? What about the economy? I assume our generation could be done? I mean not tons of time to fatten up those nest eggs? Many are fine but for sure many are counting on things getting back to normal and better and putting in another 20 years? For many they will live off their inheritance but not all...and what will they then leave their own kids..  The last great economic expansion was in the 1990s!! Are millennials doomed to a life of waiting tables and working bars at 25% capacity establishments?

Realistically how long can IMP last?

And how long can government keep way overspending and the Fed keep pumping money in before the $ goes to shit?

I don’t know that many people realize how dire things are beginning to look...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 14, 2020, 12:19:31 pm
I don’t know that many people realize how dire things are beginning to look...
the stock market kinda shocks me in this matter, since it's more of a forward looking measure
You'd think the people with a lot of money on the line would just start pulling money out

I'm not saying this has anything to do with reality, but I'm surprised that we haven't seen a crash there, since it's pretty obvious that the economy is going shit the bed so bad that we are going to not only need a new bed, but a new room to sleep in
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on August 14, 2020, 12:25:29 pm
Totally


It may be a case of people thinking they can ride this as long as possible and  take their money out right before the crash maybe when Biden wins?

I wonder if some of the real estate price increase in this area is due to people wanting to buy some bricks...home prices here in Arlington going up up up and it ain’t the schools!


My brother in law builds homes in Houston and they can’t keep pace with demand

Then you look at price of gold...

Obviously with these ridiculous artificially low interest rates people need something to do with cash

Everything is way more messed up than most people seem to realize
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 14, 2020, 12:38:24 pm
I wonder if some of the real estate price increase in this area is due to people wanting to buy some bricks...home prices here in Arlington going up up up and it ain’t the schools!

My brother in law builds homes in Houston and they can’t keep pace with demand
Real Estate too...it's crazy
interest rates have something to do with it, but I'm just a little shocked

I also don't know how Malls, regular retail and commercial real estate haven't just totally imploded
Every business I interact with is now looking to reduce their office space footprint as a way to stem the bleeding
we've proven that a lot of Office jobs can be done from home at a much cheaper cost
People don't want to go shopping when everything can just be delivered

That ripple effect is going to be brutal

I just don't get it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 14, 2020, 06:17:56 pm
the stock market kinda shocks me in this matter, since it's more of a forward looking measure
You'd think the people with a lot of money on the line would just start pulling money out

Take a close look at which stock are having the most growth and how much.  They're carrying the rest.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 14, 2020, 06:36:40 pm
Real Estate too...it's crazy
interest rates have something to do with it, but I'm just a little shocked

Interest rates are part of it, but there is also a big push among those that can afford it to:

(1) add an office for your continued work at home / get a quiet place away from kids so you can work
(2) leave densely populated condos for smaller condo buildings or single family homes to get away from elevators, hallways and other common areas (and amenities you once paid for you can no longer use [pools, gyms, party rooms])
(3) people are looking for separate entrances, backyards, decks or have dedicated, private outside space as public space is no longer usable.

Thus the market is flooded with people moving up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2020, 09:53:34 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfoBzGmX0AE5bkH?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 17, 2020, 12:19:13 pm
^ should have added "and entirely predictable" to that definition
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 17, 2020, 06:51:33 pm
I have no comment on those two posts.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 21, 2020, 11:21:13 am
so this was a somewhat comforting notification from COVIDWISE
(https://i.imgur.com/FT3jPl9.jpg)
But to be honest...I may be the only person with the App installed

This app is a simple way for people to contact trace but isn't really effective if 6 people install it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 29, 2020, 11:36:11 am
so ...Covidwise

But to be honest...I may be the only person with the App installed

This app is a simple way for people to contact trace but isn't really effective if 6 people install it
Happy to find out I was off by 499,994 downloads
https://www.whsv.com/2020/08/28/covidwise-app-has-more-than-450000-downloads-in-three-weeks/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on August 29, 2020, 05:54:58 pm
Take Off Your Mask Day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwm_DqkO_sI&fbclid=IwAR1cF-hbjxO5flQ93YkJXfUp0h7Me_zCGm5fujwZra72iIvriaotwQjdgBo)

Yeah.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 29, 2020, 08:15:51 pm
Take Off Your Mask Day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwm_DqkO_sI&fbclid=IwAR1cF-hbjxO5flQ93YkJXfUp0h7Me_zCGm5fujwZra72iIvriaotwQjdgBo)

Yeah.  Good luck with that.

The comments section.

Wow, just wow.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on August 30, 2020, 07:46:08 am
Yeah, those comments. Yikes. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 01, 2020, 06:58:32 am
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-08-31/mark-mothersbaugh-devo-covid-19-coronavirus

Mark Mothersbaugh almost covided
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2020, 03:45:26 pm
Man, I don't know how my Qanon friends didn't remind me of this earlier.  I guess we should give Trump the credit
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg18n_YUwAEBubc?format=jpg&name=medium)

Q:What does one wear to this

A: a mask
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2020, 09:38:17 am
the stock market kinda shocks me in this matter, since it's more of a forward looking measure
You'd think the people with a lot of money on the line would just start pulling money out

Take a close look at which stock are having the most growth and how much.  They're carrying the rest.
U.S. stocks continue their surge, with the S&P 500, Dow Jones Industrial Average and the Nasdaq all finishing the day higher on Wednesday, as seemingly every sector of the market has rallied since the start of the third quarter.
https://www.axios.com/stock-market-rise-sp-dow-jones-nasdaq-95992cd3-edd6-4b33-af85-d86b95d06c0b.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on September 03, 2020, 09:57:27 am
Wall Street makes me want to puke


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 03, 2020, 10:23:52 am
Wall Street makes me want to puke

Kind of like Bernie with JFK.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 03, 2020, 10:26:59 am
My company had its highest EBITDA and revenue figures in 40 years of existence in August (well, projected -- we haven't formally closed the month).

People have to stop equating the health of companies and the stock market with the actual financial status of the 300 million Americans who have no means to acquire stock.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2020, 10:44:30 am
People have to stop equating the health of companies and the stock market with the actual financial status of the 300 million Americans who have no means to acquire stock.
I don't think that assesment is correct
You don't have to be in the market to impacted by the market
I think that number is closer to 160 million own stock
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/25/more-than-half-of-u-s-households-have-some-investment-in-the-stock-market/
 While a relatively small share of American families (14%) are directly invested in individual stocks, a majority (52%) have some level of investment in the market. Most of this comes in the form of retirement accounts such as 401(k)s.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 03, 2020, 09:40:17 pm
Here's a correlation/causation conundrum: COVID-19 diagnosis was five times more likely among aged 13-24 ever-users of e-cigarettes (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X20303992)

Now is this because vaping makes the lungs more receptive to the novel coronavirus or because vapers are too stupid to socially distance themselves?

Currently, there are no U.S. population-based studies assessing the relationship between cigarette smoking, e-cigarette use, and COVID-19–related outcomes. In the absence of information on smoking and e-cigarette use history of youth diagnosed with COVID-19, we conducted a population-level examination of whether youth cigarette and/or e-cigarette use is associated with increased likelihood of experiencing COVID-19–related symptoms, being tested, and being diagnosed with COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on September 03, 2020, 09:48:50 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhCE5q0WsAEbmZL?format=jpg&name=medium)


410k dead from covid in USA by January.

     https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend          (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2020, 10:19:54 pm
Now is this because vaping makes the lungs more receptive to the novel coronavirus or because vapers are too stupid to socially distance themselves?
Makes sense to me. 

In related news
Batman" production halted after Robert Pattinson tests positive for coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 08, 2020, 01:36:15 pm
We estimate that over 250,000 of the reported cases between August 2 and September 2 are due to the Sturgis Rally.  Roughly 19 percent of the national cases during this timeframe.


CHEPS@SDSUCHEPS
 paper by Dhaval Dave @FriedsonAndrew  @Drew_McNichols  & Joe Sabia ("Contagion Externality of Super-spreader") finds Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was a local & nationwide spreader of COVID-19. Estimated public health cost: ~$12B
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhNWqB_UwAE_pwA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

2 weeks after the Sturgis motorcycle rally, South Dakota has the highest positivity rate (20.9%) in the country.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 08, 2020, 02:04:02 pm
But Smashmouth!

and also who had Stone Roses Ian Brown goes conspiracy theorist  anti-mask, etc, etc  on their bingo card.. oh wait he's always been a bit of a bellend... must use the same PR firm as the brothers Gallagher...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2020, 12:08:23 pm
So my wife's friend has recently taken part in some gang bangs and just car fucked a guy a few days ago who she met on the internet and is proclaiming she's in a relationship with him. She also has custody of her four kids.

In the past six months, we've avoided contact with everyone. My daughter had one socially distanced, supervised outdoor play date. I went to visit my brother and elderly mom, both whom I'm 100% sure had been playing it safe. We got tested before going on vacation in Maine and  wore masks and ate outdoors with distance from other diners. We maintained six feet distance outdoors when stopping by to see some old friends, who we also knew were playing things very safely. We also did a virtual happy hour with some friends. Other than that, avoided other social interaction.

So my wife's friend wants to dine outdoors, unmasked, not distanced from my wife. I'm as sex positive as Relaxer, so no moral judgments here...but i just don't think this is a good idea right now.

Is it?


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on September 10, 2020, 12:17:49 pm
A few months ago I hung out with two friends - one visiting from St Louis- for an afternoon drinking beers and talking...mainly politics..lots of yelling


I think it was a bad idea...but I didn’t get covid


Still felt really dumb after... won’t do it again until Yada’s G Love fest if that happens ...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2020, 12:18:46 pm
So my wife's friend has recently taken part in some gang bangs and just car fucked a guy a few days ago who she met on the internet and is proclaiming she's in a relationship with him. She also has custody of her four kids.

In the past six months, we've avoided contact with everyone. My daughter had one socially distanced, supervised outdoor play date. I went to visit my brother and elderly mom, both whom I'm 100% sure had been playing it safe. We got tested before going on vacation in Maine and  wore masks and ate outdoors with distance from other diners. We maintained six feet distance outdoors when stopping by to see some old friends, who we also knew were playing things very safely. We also did a virtual happy hour with some friends. Other than that, avoided other social interaction.

So my wife's friend wants to dine outdoors, unmasked, not distanced from my wife. I'm as sex positive as Relaxer, so no moral judgments here...but i just don't think this is a good idea right now.

Is it?
This dog will hunt.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on September 10, 2020, 12:22:45 pm
Wait. If you are asking if your wife and you joining a gang bang at this point makes sense I have to say no


I never been in a gang bang though
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2020, 12:24:27 pm
I never been in a gang bang though
Nothing has ever been less revelatory than this statement.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2020, 01:06:43 pm
Wait. If you are asking if your wife and you joining a gang bang at this point makes sense I have to say no


I never been in a gang bang though

Is it really a gang bang if more than one woman is involved? From urban dictionary:

gangbang
When multiple partners, usually 3 or more, engage in sexual intercourse with a single willing partner. (If partner is unwilling it is called gang rape).
My husband invited some friends over to watch football on Saturday and with his permission I allowed them to gangbang me.



No, that's not what I'm asking. The gang bang friend wants to have (only) dinner with my wife (not me), so she can talk about her sex and dating life and have my wife talk her down from her suicidal thoughts. While in turn not giving a shit about anything  my wife has to share about herself.

So I'm essentially asking if it's a good idea for my wife to hang out for hours unmasked and undistanced with someone who has not been practicing good COVID habits. How do i relay my concerns without coming off as a controlling asshole?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 10, 2020, 02:03:33 pm
While in turn not giving a shit about anything  my wife has to share about herself.

this is the real reason your wife shouldn't see this person.

otherwise, eat outside 6+ feet apart.  you're not being a controlling asshole when your concern is the health of yourself and your family.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2020, 02:28:14 pm
While in turn not giving a shit about anything  my wife has to share about herself.

this is the real reason your wife shouldn't see this person.

otherwise, eat outside 6+ feet apart.  you're not being a controlling asshole when your concern is the health of yourself and your family.

Thanks Dan Savage, I agree. That description of friend comes from complaints from my wife, it's not my words.

Is outdoor restaurant seating set up some you can be 6+ feet from the person you're dining with? You'd have to be on opposite corners of a large picnic table. I think the idea of socially distanced outdoor dining is being 6+ away from other parties, not other people in your party.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 10, 2020, 04:59:48 pm
While in turn not giving a shit about anything  my wife has to share about herself.

this is the real reason your wife shouldn't see this person.

otherwise, eat outside 6+ feet apart.  you're not being a controlling asshole when your concern is the health of yourself and your family.

Thanks Dan Savage, I agree. That description of friend comes from complaints from my wife, it's not my words.

Is outdoor restaurant seating set up some you can be 6+ feet from the person you're dining with? You'd have to be on opposite corners of a large picnic table. I think the idea of socially distanced outdoor dining is being 6+ away from other parties, not other people in your party.

no idea, i haven't eaten in at a restaurant in months. 

we've had a few people over to our house, and we've eaten outside on a large table - my family at one end, visitors at the other.  no 'rona so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on September 10, 2020, 05:16:47 pm
But how about the gang bang? How was it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 15, 2020, 08:24:35 am
How did this thread fall to page 2? Just mention a gang bang and how quickly a bunch of middle aged guys lose interest....

Pre-COVID, I’d always try to time it out at work so that I had an elevator to myself. Now I’m in the building yesterday during COVID, nobody else on site, and I get in an elevator. Eight elevators, only seven floors, and nobody in the building…and I hear someone break into a trot and stick their hand in the door to open it as it’s closing. In steps a maintenance guy who apparently just needs to ride the elevator with me.

My initial instinct is the ask him to wait for the next elevator (which even in busy times takes no more than 10-15 seconds) and my second instinct was to step out and wait for the next one. But I was afraid of appearing to be racist. So fingers crossed. At least he was wearing a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 15, 2020, 12:28:59 pm
add Noel Gallagher to the list of fading British musicians who has declared wearing masks as pointless... guess he was being to feel irrelevant again.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 17, 2020, 03:46:56 pm
200,000
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 17, 2020, 03:50:14 pm
200,000
The rolling compendium of integers is over there.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 17, 2020, 04:45:01 pm
that number is all yours.  have at.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on September 17, 2020, 04:55:21 pm
It sucks that people have become totally desensitized to the deaths...

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 18, 2020, 09:01:58 am
(https://i.redd.it/48ag1bq95vu41.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 18, 2020, 09:46:26 am
thanks heat ray stolen and reposted on The Facebook
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 18, 2020, 09:49:29 am
thanks heat ray stolen and reposted on The Facebook
I think Heat Ray Hatch is one of my favorite monikers
also, I saw this on facebook, but had to find the image on Reddit to post here since we can't post facebook links here anymore
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 21, 2020, 01:52:04 pm
627 cases today in VA, the lowest one day case total since July 6.

Mondays are always low, but this is the lowest Monday since July 6, which was the Monday after July 4 weekend.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 23, 2020, 08:50:49 pm
Indiana just opted to fully reopen in a Stage 5 return to normalcy

Stage 5 dictates:

• Restaurants, bars, and nightclubs may operate
at FULL capacity
• Conventions, sports events, fairs, festivals and like events may resume
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 23, 2020, 09:44:43 pm
Hmmm sounds like the perfect spot for a super spreader campaign rally...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2020, 09:49:42 pm
I am worn out by the shitshow

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2020, 07:52:15 am
Indiana just opted to fully reopen in a Stage 5 return to normalcy

Stage 5 dictates:

• Restaurants, bars, and nightclubs may operate
at FULL capacity
• Conventions, sports events, fairs, festivals and like events may resume

In spite of the fact that they are "trending poorly."

https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2020, 02:26:38 pm
These infection fatality rates seem pretty low. Is the white house doctoring the numbers?


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html (Table 1)

CDC's best estimate of IFR is

.003% for ages 0-19
.02% for ages 20-49
.5% for ages 50-69
5.4% for ages 70+
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2020, 10:48:02 am
dang and he was a big mask proponent

Governor and First Lady Northam Test Positive for COVID-19



Still have yet to hear one peep about the VA bordies installing Covidwise on their phones...so much virtue signaling about masks, but won't do something about contact tracing is kinda lame (muh pRiVacy)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 25, 2020, 01:01:18 pm
oh my

The Daily Show
@TheDailyShow
More evidence that coronavirus disproportionately affects Black people
Quote Tweet

The Associated Press
@AP
 · 2h
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam and his wife have both tested positive for the coronoavirus. The governor’s office said in a statement that he's showing no symptoms while those of Pam Northam are mild. http://apne.ws/0F77n1R


https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1309513262355054592?s=20

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EdibleBeneficialCobra-small.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 25, 2020, 01:07:05 pm
Several of us have COVIDwise installed. This has been discussed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2020, 01:08:07 pm
Several of us have COVIDwise installed. This has been discussed.
You mentioned something about the youth you knew who put it on

I don’t recall a single person on here saying that installed it
 but happy to be wrong
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 25, 2020, 01:11:33 pm
Indiana just opted to fully reopen in a Stage 5 return to normalcy

Stage 5 dictates:

• Restaurants, bars, and nightclubs may operate
at FULL capacity
• Conventions, sports events, fairs, festivals and like events may resume
BREAKING:  Florida Governor Ron DeSantis just announced that he is moving Florida to phase 3 which means bars & restaurants are open without any restrictions
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 28, 2020, 01:06:40 pm
Nine Inch Nails launch new range of ‘Pandemic 2020’ merchandise (https://www.nme.com/news/music/nine-inch-nails-launch-new-pandemic-2020-range-of-merchendise-2759861)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 28, 2020, 01:25:49 pm
Indiana just opted to fully reopen in a Stage 5 return to normalcy

Stage 5 dictates:

• Restaurants, bars, and nightclubs may operate
at FULL capacity
• Conventions, sports events, fairs, festivals and like events may resume
BREAKING:  Florida Governor Ron DeSantis just announced that he is moving Florida to phase 3 which means bars & restaurants are open without any restrictions

Florida would have been better off if they had elected the bisexual guy with alcohol and meth problems.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 28, 2020, 08:50:41 pm
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConsiderateIdenticalAmethystinepython-size_restricted.gif)
just replace dollars with covid deaths world wide
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 29, 2020, 03:21:28 pm
Headed up to New York tomorrow to visit family.

Virginia's case counts have decreased enough so that they have been taken off the NY quarantine list, as of today, for at least a week.

Good job Virginia! Keep it up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2020, 05:28:25 pm
space needed clearance for his vacation... VA's numbers mysteriously fall... space works for the federal government... DEEP STATE STRIKES AGAIN.  Q WAS RIGHT.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 29, 2020, 05:36:50 pm
this whole nightmare scenario where trump calls into question the legitimacy of the election results, dispatches an army of lawyers to sue in every voting district (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/27/trump-legal-network-election-day-fight-422035), the election is dragged out, and with no "accepted" result by the time electoral college electors need to gather in DC to vote for the prez that state legislatures step in and appoint their own electors (https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2020/09/pennsylvania-popular-vote-presidential-election-legislature-donald-trump/)... has me really concerned.  my confidence in the resilience of american democracy isn't very high right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on September 29, 2020, 05:39:34 pm
Ain’t nothing to do but vote in massive numbers against Trump.


You are right to be concerned but we can’t let this or the confirmation process stop us from doing what we need to do....


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 29, 2020, 08:50:05 pm
this whole nightmare scenario where trump calls into question the legitimacy of the election results, dispatches an army of lawyers to sue in every voting district (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/27/trump-legal-network-election-day-fight-422035), the election is dragged out, and with no "accepted" result by the time electoral college electors need to gather in DC to vote for the prez that state legislatures step in and appoint their own electors (https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2020/09/pennsylvania-popular-vote-presidential-election-legislature-donald-trump/)... has me really concerned.  my confidence in the resilience of american democracy isn't very high right now.
I would be kinda stunned if this doesn’t happen.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 01, 2020, 02:18:40 pm
posted by Maryland Emergency Management Agency

"GovLarryHogan announces that for the first time since March 28, Maryland is reporting zero new #COVID19 deaths.

During our Road to Recovery, let's continue working together as a team to defeat this virus! Wear your mask, wash your hands, and keep your distance as necessary"

glad to see that second part of the statement... but Hogan's got a press conference later where he'll probably pull a half a Florida...

and yes never read the comments... but "people" are hoping they'll lift mask requirements  ::)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on October 01, 2020, 02:33:24 pm
Maryland has done a good job....so far...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on October 01, 2020, 03:38:23 pm
We have tho I hope this doesn’t result in an increase in reckless behavior. We’ll see.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2020, 11:55:30 am
What side effects do you think there will be? What side effects are you afraid of?
The side-effect in the Will Smith movie I am Legend

 Putin says Russia's coronavirus vaccine has been registered; his daughter is among those inoculated

So does anyone remember how soon it took for people to turn into zombies in that movie?
Um...ben, it really turns out badly in that movie...but thanks for reading my posts
(https://data.ibtimes.sg/en/full/43114/ben-shapiro.jpg?w=736)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 11, 2020, 02:21:48 pm
27,000 new cases in France yesterday in a country with 20% the population of the U.S. Yikes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on October 12, 2020, 08:24:07 pm
US Covid cases per million by state from June 1 to Oct 1

https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1315773524800307203?s=08
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on October 12, 2020, 08:47:36 pm
That’s a fantastic graphic
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 13, 2020, 04:51:41 am
US Covid cases per million by state from June 1 to Oct 1

https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1315773524800307203?s=08

that graph has me seeing red...

strong correlation between that graph and prevalence of higher education.

the bottom half: https://twitter.com/GroovyKitty/status/1315899063519256577/photo/1
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 13, 2020, 11:54:34 am
Could have gone in "eve of new season" thread:

Cristiano Ronaldo tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/football/cristiano-ronaldo-coronavirus-spt-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/football/cristiano-ronaldo-coronavirus-spt-intl/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on October 14, 2020, 04:07:11 pm
Barron Trump was positive for Covid:

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1316468702175518727
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 14, 2020, 04:29:58 pm
Barron.. was positive
He has since been negative
Do these fuckers really have the cure and are making people wait until the election
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 14, 2020, 06:25:08 pm
Do these fuckers really have the cure and are making people wait until the election

nah, young folks are often asymptomatic.  they get over it without even knowing they had it... until grandma keels over, and people wonder how she got infected since the only people she un-quarantined for was little billy who dropped by to give her a hug...

barron almost certainly got over it naturally.  i wonder if he's the one who infected dad/granddad donald.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 16, 2020, 01:11:22 pm
for visual data nerds and soothsayers: https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on October 20, 2020, 01:20:14 pm
The west is definitely doing it wrong


https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/asia/china-europe-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 01:40:49 pm
What if you were the contact tracer for Kevin Bacon?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2020, 03:48:00 pm
CDC Report: Covid has left about 285,000 more people dead in U.S. than would be expected in a typical year; 2/3 from Covid, the rest from other causes.
For 25- to 44-year-olds, excess death rate is up 26.5% , the largest change for any age group


Because of the newness of the diseases and disinformation campaign run by the rightwing media and elected GOP officials...it is important to note the excess death numbers to show a distinct correlation 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 28, 2020, 03:22:44 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElcBN3LU0AAcaJv?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 28, 2020, 03:51:15 pm
White House Declares Pandemic Over As It Cites Renowned Scientist Ivanka Trump (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-science-reporting-ending-pandemic_n_5f984ac2c5b66a9e1892a9b3)

i would have put this in the "reality reflects the onion" thread but there is a no-politics rule there.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on October 28, 2020, 03:56:13 pm
Reminds me of the “Mission Accomplished” banner
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on October 28, 2020, 04:10:39 pm
A lot of people, round here, are talking about a possible second lockdown.  We are stocking back up on food for we looked in horror last night at our pantry and basement storage shelving that we are seriously low on canned foods / pastas / soups / sauces / cookies and junk food.

We are planning our massive Costco / Walmart / target / Aldi shopping delivery to our doorstep run here in the next few days, to have supplies for the winter.  That's how we live out here in the woods and mountains; like men; like men with internet and credit cards and a desire to not step back foot in stores. 

And for toilet paper / paper towels . . . we like this:  https://us.whogivesacrap.org/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 29, 2020, 09:16:48 pm
A lot of people, round here, are talking about a possible second lockdown.  We are stocking back up on food for we looked in horror last night at our pantry and basement storage shelving that we are seriously low on canned foods / pastas / soups / sauces / cookies and junk food.

We are planning our massive Costco / Walmart / target / Aldi shopping delivery to our doorstep run here in the next few days, to have supplies for the winter.  That's how we live out here in the woods and mountains; like men; like men with internet and credit cards and a desire to not step back foot in stores. 

And for toilet paper / paper towels . . . we like this:  https://us.whogivesacrap.org/

That's funny. All people around here can talk about is sending their kids back to school as soon as possible.....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 29, 2020, 09:18:17 pm
Meanwhile, 91K new cases today. Great job, America! A new record!

Sort of pales in comparison to the 47K they had in France today though.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 09:23:31 pm
It’s weird though...nobody seems to care


But people do die from it...lots


Its the most widespread it has been and all over the country

I am sort of out of words tonight

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 29, 2020, 09:36:47 pm
I keep reading/hearing "COVID is here to stay."

Is this the Democratic party line now, or just the Trump party line?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on October 29, 2020, 09:43:27 pm
Look when you have 3 million known active cases it ain’t going nowhere for a while but you could slowly decrease the number of cases over time and reassert control.


That’s no party line just reality


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 30, 2020, 08:53:11 pm
101K new cases today. America, you've done it again. Congrats, you rock!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on October 30, 2020, 08:57:46 pm
Yes I follow worldometer


it’s just insane.....and winter is just starting


The American people are kind of scaring me right now

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 02, 2020, 11:59:20 am
whoa...
18 Trump rallies have lead to 30,000 COVID-19 cases, 700 deaths: study  (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523789-18-trump-rallies-have-led-to-30k-cases-700-deaths-stanford-university)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 05, 2020, 09:06:04 pm
108K COVID cases yesterday and 115K cases today. Both new records! And I ad read all over Facebook that the virus was going to magically disappear November 4.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 06, 2020, 10:55:25 pm
132.5K today. New record! Won't be going anywhere indoors til forever. Distance learning and telework for the next nine months.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 06, 2020, 11:13:47 pm
The new case rates in some states are staggering


Amazingly didn’t really matter to the voters...

Americans are crazy scary

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2020, 01:11:44 am
 Mark Meadows has it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 07, 2020, 01:52:38 am
Ahhhh the guy who refused to wear a mask even when Trump got it


One of these fuckers got to drop dead
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: rich_WDC on November 08, 2020, 02:09:30 pm
Ahhhh the guy who refused to wear a mask even when Trump got it


One of these fuckers got to drop dead
my vote:  Stephen Miller
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2020, 12:33:58 am
Ahhhh the guy who refused to wear a mask even when Trump got it


One of these fuckers got to drop dead
my vote:  Stephen Miller

Republicans don't recognize the results of votes, so you're SOL.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 07:33:08 am
Ahhhh the guy who refused to wear a mask even when Trump got it


One of these fuckers got to drop dead
my vote:  Stephen Miller

Republicans don't recognize the results of votes, so you're SOL.
Well apparently Republicans, when they vote...it's legal, everyone else...illegal
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 07:37:05 am
any predictions who will be on the new 12-member Transition COVID-19 Advisory Board that will be announced by the Biden team today?

Fauci likely
Demon sperm lady...not likely


Lot of boring science people, I don't see one with a youtube channel, can't trust these swamp monsters


Rick Bright, a vaccine expert, who resigned last month from a top Department of Health and Human Services position after alleging he was demoted for political reasons.

Eric Goosby, an infectious diseases expert who previously served in the Obama and Clinton administrations.

Luciana Borio, whose previous positions include Food and Drug Administration acting chief scientist.

Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist and adviser to Biden, who is vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and who previously served in the Obama administration.

Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

Atul Gawande, a prominent doctor, health researcher and writer who served as a senior advisor in the Department of Health and Human Services in the Clinton administration.

Loyce Pace, president and executive director of the Global Health Council.

Julie Morita, executive vice president of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and former Chicago commissioner of health.

Celine Gounder, a clinical assistant professor of medicine and infectious diseases at New York University.

Robert Rodriguez, a professor of emergency medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine;
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 09, 2020, 01:10:56 pm
Ben Carson, positive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 02:18:21 pm
Ben Carson, positive
Andrea Junker ®@Strandjunker
Ben Carson has tested positive for COVID-19. Our reminder that we need to stop using the phrase “It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure this out”.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 09, 2020, 02:29:13 pm
Could be fantastic news


https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-vaccine-effective-early-data-4f4ae2e3bad122d17742be22a2240ae8
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2020, 02:57:15 pm
The U.S. surpassed 10 million confirmed COVID-19 cases on Monday
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on November 11, 2020, 01:05:31 pm
"Don't be sissies" (https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/jair-bolsonaro-tells-brazil-not-to-deal-covid-19-pandemic-like-fags-2323599)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2020, 01:08:36 pm
He is so embarrassing


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2020, 01:22:48 pm
400,000 deaths by Feb 1


https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 02:46:28 pm
jebus this graph is scary
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmkDdiZXcAEKwwN?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 11, 2020, 04:35:42 pm
Should I pull the trigger and get some plane tickets to LAX for June summer break? Tickets are so damn cheap right now, even for fully refundable tickets.

We would choose Covid safe activities once we got there, it's the flight and airport that's scare me, at least a little Bit thinking things will be improved by June?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 04:35:53 pm
Jez...My boss just told me he tested positive for covid...glad we all work remotely now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 11, 2020, 04:45:54 pm
Should I pull the trigger and get some plane tickets to LAX for June summer break? Tickets are so damn cheap right now, even for fully refundable tickets.

We would choose Covid safe activities once we got there, it's the flight and airport that's scare me, at least a little Bit thinking things will be improved by June?
OK, are we setting the O/U on how many times he mentions this vacation before then now, or do we wait until he actually books the flight?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 11, 2020, 05:10:22 pm
Well have you or any of your family/friends flown during COVID times, and if so what was your/their experience?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 11, 2020, 05:22:51 pm
Family member flew to the west coast 2 weeks ago.  Airport and security were a breeze. Plane was a bit too crowded and folks ended up sitting next to strangers. Not a good time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2020, 05:56:41 pm
I flew once in Aug...I think there were more crew than passengers...so wasn't close to anyone and the airport was very empty

I think the trick is a good mask, lots of hand washings, and avoid places where you are crammed close to others

What is always hard for me is I'm a face toucher, always rubbing my eyes, nose and mouth and this covid thing has been really hard to break that habit. I remind myself constantly when I'm in public not to do that

Some of the airlines are claiming it's safer than going to a grocery store
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8884709/Airplane-COVID-19-risk-low-masks-actions-report-finds.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 11, 2020, 08:50:38 pm
I can’t believe people are taking the idea of flying - willingly- seriously

Seems premature

At our current rate we are averaging about 1 million new cases per week.

Probably we need to , you know, take this thing seriously and make some progress first?

I mean sucks about Thanksgiving and the vacation plans... sucks about the kids school.., believe me I know

I hope the vaccine changes everything
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 11, 2020, 09:22:59 pm
I can’t believe people are taking the idea of flying - willingly- seriously

Seems premature

At our current rate we are averaging about 1 million new cases per week.

Probably we need to , you know, take this thing seriously and make some progress first?

I mean sucks about Thanksgiving and the vacation plans... sucks about the kids school.., believe me I know

I hope the vaccine changes everything

I'm talking about next Summer, and completely refundable fares. I definitely wouldn't fly this Winter. Heck, I won't be driving or hosting anyone either.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: rich_WDC on November 11, 2020, 09:35:50 pm
I did a roundtrip flight in mid-September.     Fine experience.  100% masks and considerate people.  I brought wipes and had a whole row each way.   
And I know it's all just marketing jargon but when reading Southwest's safety protocols I thought "Damn, I'm safer on this airplane than I am in my own apartment."

A friend is on her third airtravel venture now and hasn't reported an issue.

Crucial for my comfort level:    nonstop flight.   definitely no middle seats sold and preferably not filled past 1/2 (of course that is also non COVID wishes too, but now required)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2020, 01:12:55 pm
Holy crap Bernard Sumner got covid


https://twitter.com/neworder/status/1326934719892742147?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2020, 01:49:43 pm
Corey Lewandowski contracts covid


One of these fuckers gotta die
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 12, 2020, 02:00:21 pm
"Family gatherings at Thanksgiving will cause funerals at Christmas"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 02:18:29 pm
so you are good if you are a Vegan Atheist?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 02:20:10 pm
Corey Lewandowski contracts covid


One of these fuckers gotta die
It is odd that so many have contracted and none have died...of course the one black guy, Cain, did
How did Christie make it out of the ICU, that guy is a covid disney world
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 12, 2020, 02:30:17 pm
Corey Lewandowski contracts covid


One of these fuckers gotta die
It is odd that so many have contracted and none have died...of course the one black guy, Cain, did
How did Christie make it out of the ICU, that guy is a covid disney world

I don't find it odd. Most of them are under 70. Then if you're over 70, you've still got a 95% chance of survival.

https://reason.com/2020/09/29/the-latest-cdc-estimates-of-covid-19s-infection-fatality-rate-vary-dramatically-with-age/

Assuming that the CDC's nationwide IFR estimate proves to be about right, there are still a couple of important complications. Regional antibody studies by the CDC, using blood drawn for routine tests unrelated to COVID-19, suggest that the IFR varies widely from one part of the country to another—from 0.1 percent in Utah to 1.4 percent in Connecticut as of early May, for example. Recent CDC estimates indicate that the IFR also varies dramatically by age—from 0.003 percent among people 19 or younger to 5.4 percent among people in their 70s.

According to those "best estimates," which were published this month as an update to the CDC's COVID-19 Planning Scenarios, the IFR is 0.02 percent for 20-to-49-year-olds and 0.5 percent for 50-to-69-year-olds. The CDC did not include an IFR estimate for people 80 or older. But judging from crude case fatality rates (deaths divided by confirmed cases), the IFR for people in that age group would be substantially higher than 5.4 percent.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2020, 03:39:18 pm
It’s not odd...they get best care

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 12, 2020, 03:58:10 pm
It’s not odd...they get best care

Yes, I meant to add that as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 12, 2020, 05:00:29 pm
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/coronavirus-travel-jetblue-to-stop-blocking-seats-on-board-in-january.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2020, 10:22:24 pm
maybe Hawaiian air is the way to go
Hawaiian Airlines will allow customers to trade frequent-flier miles for COVID-19 test kits
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 12, 2020, 10:29:25 pm
161k today. New record. America rocks!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on November 13, 2020, 02:33:01 pm
More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2020, 04:53:40 pm
Ralph Northam@GovernorVA
New mitigation measures will go into effect at midnight on Sunday, November 15 and include:
1️⃣ 25-person limit on indoor and outdoor gatherings, down from 250
2️⃣ expanded mask requirement, including children aged 5+
3️⃣ 10 p.m. on-site alcohol curfew
4️⃣ increased enforcement
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 13, 2020, 10:10:45 pm
183K today. By golly, we've smashed the record again! LOL at all of these Fairfax County people who want to send their kids back to school asap.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 15, 2020, 06:49:39 pm
Can we hit 200,000?!?


Pure insanity
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 15, 2020, 09:21:32 pm
Can we hit 200,000?!?


Pure insanity

Got my eye on Friday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 15, 2020, 09:36:03 pm
Can we hit 200,000?!?


Pure insanity
I will never understand this boards obsession with post counts.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 16, 2020, 08:34:43 am
94.5%!!


https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/moderna-vaccine-results-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 16, 2020, 12:41:03 pm
2677 new cases in VA today, including 400(!) in Fairfax County.  Yikes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 06:56:36 pm
87 year old senator Chuck Grassley tests positive for covid





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 17, 2020, 07:05:00 pm
87 year old senator Chuck Grassley tests positive for covid
President Pro Tem of the Senate!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 07:08:00 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_pro_tempore_of_the_United_States_Senate
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2020, 07:30:28 pm
Jez...My boss just told me he tested positive for covid...glad we all work remotely now

Was wondering where this quote was, never thought to look in Just Announced
I think Sidehatch has more “old bosses” than Mia Farrow has children....
Hopefully, he won't become an Old Boss...but he is doing well so far
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2020, 10:18:46 pm

I don't find it odd. Most of them are under 70. Then if you're over 70, you've still got a 95% chance of survival.

The CDC did not include an IFR estimate for people 80 or older. But judging from crude case fatality rates (deaths divided by confirmed cases), the IFR for people in that age group would be substantially higher than 5.4 percent.

87 year old senator Chuck Grassley tests positive for covid

So based on that...what are Pres ProT odds?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 17, 2020, 10:24:45 pm
The health care of a US senator is top of the line   


I wouldn’t expect him to go anywhere


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 18, 2020, 08:40:49 am
So serious question


How do I get my hands on the Pfizer or moderna vaccine?


Disclaimer: I am an absolute nobody and sadly my life is of no importance to anyone but a very few people - a little more than half-in my small family.. I fulfill no important role in society.


Gee now I am depressed....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 18, 2020, 09:01:32 am
Had to chuckle when I saw Phizer's claim of 95% effectiveness.  Just had to be just a tad better than Moderna's 94.5%  ::)

How do we get our hands on the vaccine? Survive the winter.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 18, 2020, 09:08:44 am
But I want to party!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 09:10:43 am
How do I get my hands on the Pfizer or moderna vaccine?
Get a job as a frontline health care worker (I think working in a nursing home might qualify)
Or forge your age so you were born in 1930
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 18, 2020, 09:16:27 am
Smartdumbass
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 18, 2020, 09:17:18 am
So serious question


How do I get my hands on the Pfizer or moderna vaccine?


Disclaimer: I am an absolute nobody and sadly my life is of no importance to anyone but a very few people - a little more than half-in my small family.. I fulfill no important role in society.


Gee now I am depressed....

Hey man, you totally just described me. I'm going into hibernation and won't be seen in public except the grocery store until April at least.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 18, 2020, 09:29:18 am
Had to chuckle when I saw Phizer's claim of 95% effectiveness.  Just had to be just a tad better than Moderna's 94.5%  ::)
Moderna has, seemingly, the far superior product because theirs (1) is a single dose vs dual dose, and (2) works with regular refrigeration which would allow it to be sent directly to doctor's offices and pharmacies.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 18, 2020, 09:40:45 am
Just give it to me..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 18, 2020, 09:57:31 am
Had to chuckle when I saw Phizer's claim of 95% effectiveness.  Just had to be just a tad better than Moderna's 94.5%  ::)
Moderna has, seemingly, the far superior product because theirs (1) is a single dose vs dual dose, and (2) works with regular refrigeration which would allow it to be sent directly to doctor's offices and pharmacies.

I'm pretty sure Moderna is two doses, just like Pfizer. But please cite your source and I'm happy to be proved wrong. You are correct about the refrigeration.

Johnson and Johnson is the main (only?) one that they are saying is single dose. And even then, there's talk of making is a two doser.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 18, 2020, 10:21:26 am
Just give it to me..

Baby!!!

and a Say What
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 18, 2020, 11:18:15 am
I'm pretty sure Moderna is two doses, just like Pfizer. But please cite your source and I'm happy to be proved wrong. You are correct about the refrigeration.
Fresh Air with Terry Gross on Monday. I might have misheard or the person talking about it may have been misinformed, re: the dual doses.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 18, 2020, 11:57:31 am
I'm pretty sure Moderna is two doses, just like Pfizer. But please cite your source and I'm happy to be proved wrong. You are correct about the refrigeration.
Fresh Air with Terry Gross on Monday. I might have misheard or the person talking about it may have been misinformed, re: the dual doses.

From the New York Times today:

Moderna said it would have 20 million doses ready by the end of 2020; Pfizer said it would have about 50 million by then — half for Americans. Both vaccines require two shots, so 20 million doses would be enough for 10 million people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/health/Covid-moderna-vaccine.html


So with each person needing a double dose, that would be 45 million doses for 22.5 million Americans, by the end of the year.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 04:20:49 pm
87 year old senator Chuck Grassley tests positive for covid

So based on that...what are Pres ProT odds?
so far soo good for chuck
ChuckGrassley@ChuckGrassley
I remain symptom free & in isolation. I continue to feel good Thx for all the messages of encouragement & prayers
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2020, 04:45:29 pm
Had to chuckle when I saw Phizer's claim of 95% effectiveness.  Just had to be just a tad better than Moderna's 94.5%  ::)


I’ll probably get whichever vaccine has the funnier Super Bowl ad.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 18, 2020, 10:31:03 pm
Worst day in terms of covid deaths since early May


I guess people don’t think it’s a big thing but by time Biden takes over we will be at point where 1 out of every 1000 Americans has died from covid


I think that’s pretty catastrophic

The American people scare me
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 18, 2020, 10:41:59 pm
I guess people don’t think it’s a big thing but by time Biden takes over we will be at point where 1 out of every 1000 Americans has died from covid

The American people scare me
The cavalier nature that half of this country takes to facts that they find inconvenient will be the downfall of the US. Period.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 19, 2020, 03:39:18 am
I mean I get it...most of the dead people are old... most of them had their issues...


But my partner’s father, for example, was doing pretty good before covid.....yes he had overcome some health challenges the past few years but we had no reason to think he would die soon...he had plenty to live for... his two grandkids didn’t get to see him his last six months

The utter callousness and disregard with which America regards lives like his - a good person that served his country, paid his taxes and never really did a bad thing- is jarring...

He never even got a funeral...we got his ashes here and someday will bury them next to his parents down in Florida

Well there are people like him all over America...people that had families and still had hopes... And yet all over the internet one has to read about how we just have to suck it up and achieve herd immunity and top government officials tell us we have to rise up for our right not to wear a mask...

And in this past election it feels like half the country just said to him that your life and death really doesn’t and didn’t matter one whit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 11:31:26 am
just logged into the Cigna portal and they are offering free mailing Nasal Swab test kits now

That is really where I think the US really fucked up, we should have just had made it easy to get tested for free and I think we'd be in a much better place than we are now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 19, 2020, 03:41:14 pm
That is really where I think the US really fucked up, we should have just had made it easy to get tested for free and I think we'd be in a much better place than we are now

i'm not sure about "much better place" with more testing.  first, you need to want to test yourself, i.e. believe the pandemic is real and be willing to make the effort to get tested.  second, you have to be willing to do the right things if you test positive (quarantine).  unless a significant portion of the population signs up for these two things - i believe you need 70% compliance to get a meaningful reduction - the folks that don't adhere to the program will continue to ruin it for everyone else.

finally, tests aren't perfect and they're only a snapshot in time - you can become infectious the day after you take a test, so you're running around yelling in everyone's face that your test came back negative.

IMO, the weird emphasis on personal freedom and resistance to authority is a much bigger culprit than the lack of testing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 19, 2020, 04:38:12 pm
  first, you need to want to test yourself, i.e. believe the pandemic is real and be willing to make the effort to get tested.

I think if was free and easy, I do think more people would have done it
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second, you have to be willing to do the right things if you test positive (quarantine).
I really think that most people, if they got a positive test, they would quarantine... even in maga country
now getting them to take the test...well again free and easy would be the incentive

Contact tracking would also go hand in hand with this result too
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finally, tests aren't perfect and they're only a snapshot in time -
Of course, but if it was free and easy, people would test more
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 19, 2020, 11:20:15 pm
192K today, a new record. Well definitely hit 200K tomorrow as predicted.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 20, 2020, 11:27:02 am
Rick Scott, (R-FL)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on November 20, 2020, 12:00:57 pm
So Hogan spent $9.46M for tests from South Korea which were never used. Because they're flawed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2020, 12:04:03 pm
This has happened in lots of countries


Not defending it but Maryland is hardly alone...


If we remember at its relative peak MD was like 10th in country in terms of cases

Currently Maryland is at 25th


Hogan has done an impressive job. Maybe the best job of any Republican Governor
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 20, 2020, 12:35:58 pm
Rudy G's Son Andrew, who was at a packed press conference yesterday... guess he'll need some time off from his cushy WH job
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 05:34:09 pm
"We're working on mass distribution of the virus." — Treasury Sec. Steve Mnuchin

Yikes...so was this their master plan all along? 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 07:06:54 pm
Don jr!  ( knew Monday)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2020, 07:45:31 pm
Rudy G's Son Andrew, who was at a packed press conference yesterday... guess he'll need some time off from his cushy WH job

Andy G has effed things up for the coup-planners: andy exposed rudy and the rest of the trump legal team to the virus, so they couldn't meet with the michigan lawmakers today.
"Andrew Giuliani, Rudy's son who is a staffer at the White House, on Friday announced he tested positive for COVID-19, and the Times reports he attended the Thursday news conference in which Rudy Giuliani pushed baseless allegations of widespread voter fraud. On a conference call with Trump officials on Friday, when the subject arose of which member of Trump's outside legal team would attend the White House meeting, Axios reports this planning quickly "fell apart" when it was revealed that Giuliani's son tested positive and it subsequently became clear that "the entire Giuliani-affiliated legal team was probably exposed."
source: https://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-reportedly-skip-meeting-michigan-200700554.html (https://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-reportedly-skip-meeting-michigan-200700554.html)
(original story: https://www.axios.com/trump-giuliani-white-house-michigan-covid-abbbbcf3-e415-4d9d-8911-427be7b645b1.html (https://www.axios.com/trump-giuliani-white-house-michigan-covid-abbbbcf3-e415-4d9d-8911-427be7b645b1.html))
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 20, 2020, 07:53:34 pm
Oh the irony
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 20, 2020, 08:58:31 pm
Oh the irony

right?  first, not taking the virus seriously led to him losing the election.  now that he's trying to come up with plan B - steal the election - coronavirus shows up again and takes that off the table... <insert schadenfreude>
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 20, 2020, 09:20:37 pm
Space called it! 200,000 on Friday



Chapeau
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 20, 2020, 09:35:47 pm
250K on December 4

400K on January 1
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 20, 2020, 09:38:06 pm
Rick Scott, (R-FL)

Is there a scorecard for Congress and Senate that compares Reps vs Dems who have gotten the rona?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 22, 2020, 08:33:31 am
Another republican senator
Sen. Kelly Loeffler tests positive for coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 22, 2020, 12:51:19 pm
Another republican senator
Sen. Kelly Loeffler tests positive for coronavirus

She's the eighth Senator to test positive, all Republicans.

25 members of the House have tested positive, 16 of them Republicans.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 24, 2020, 05:00:14 pm
The Pfizer and Modena vaccines were both effective, protective and safe. But the Oxford one seems to be effective, protective, and safe. (via (https://twitter.com/dalmaer/status/1331023315410898945))
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on November 24, 2020, 05:03:39 pm
Masks required outdoors in MoCo effective 5pm today
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 24, 2020, 06:10:03 pm
The Pfizer and Modena vaccines were both effective, protective and safe. But the Oxford one seems to be effective, protective, and safe. (via (https://twitter.com/dalmaer/status/1331023315410898945))

took me a second, but - solid.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 24, 2020, 06:12:46 pm
Just give me it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 24, 2020, 10:11:53 pm
The Pfizer and Modena vaccines were both effective, protective and safe. But the Oxford one seems to be effective, protective, and safe. (via (https://twitter.com/dalmaer/status/1331023315410898945))

took me a second, but - solid.

Help me out, I don't get the joke.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 24, 2020, 10:58:11 pm
The Pfizer and Modena vaccines were both effective, protective and safe. But the Oxford one seems to be effective, protective, and safe. (via (https://twitter.com/dalmaer/status/1331023315410898945))

took me a second, but - solid.

Help me out, I don't get the joke.
”Oxford”/Harvard/serial comma. An English major joke.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 24, 2020, 11:38:35 pm
The Pfizer and Modena vaccines were both effective, protective and safe. But the Oxford one seems to be effective, protective, and safe. (via (https://twitter.com/dalmaer/status/1331023315410898945))

took me a second, but - solid.

Help me out, I don't get the joke.
”Oxford”/Harvard/serial comma. An English major joke.

Guilty as charged
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 25, 2020, 01:53:14 pm
man...this graphic of all the flights this week makes me think that people aren't taking this seriously
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1331599981980094464?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 27, 2020, 12:06:48 pm
so we add Clapton to the list (was he already on there?)

https://variety.com/2020/music/global/eric-clapton-van-morrison-lockdown-single-1234841031/
Music Legends Eric Clapton, Van Morrison Team for Anti-Lockdown Single ‘Stand and Deliver’

Is this an adam ant cover?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 27, 2020, 12:43:31 pm
I really think many people lose their marbles when they get old...it’s not hard to understand how... the amount of change we observe in our lifetime is hard to process

They just have trouble understanding the world....it moves past them.. they have trouble making sense of it


This is why I think these types of comments should be treated as the well meaning babbling of old people and not really amplified.. ignore it... it’s embarrassing

This is also why I worry about having so many old people in positions of political power

In this case, Van and Clapton are two of the most selfish and loathsome people around...have been for most of their lives...If you can read Clapton’s autobiography and not emerge pitying him you are a better man than me... or if you can look into Van’s love child story and still be able to listen to his Irish new age pseudo spiritual music, well then I admire you... I really think Van sort of lost it when his relationship with Janet Planet ended

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 27, 2020, 02:58:56 pm
what is it with this Pope...he keeps saying things that make sense...really off-brand for the position
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Enyve40XUAAacF4?format=jpg&name=large)
(from NYtimes op ed)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 28, 2020, 01:07:42 pm
So I just got back from Giant. Some good tunes, but that's another thread. There was the little middle aged guy wearing a Keep America Great mask with his nose exposed the whole time.

Inspired by the Pope, my first thought was to do a running tackle takedown of the guy, and just bash his fucking face into the ground. I was close, so fucking close. But I held back.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on November 28, 2020, 01:08:57 pm
You are a better man than I...



 



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 01, 2020, 11:06:27 am
Hutch...time to apply for that part-time job at the nursing home ...or you could become a resident?
https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/virginia-tests-plan-to-distribute-covid-19-vaccine-but-taking-it-wont-be-mandatory/article_1915c464-85d0-5bb4-82fa-8d8f68b97d37.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

the initial shipments of a new vaccine against COVID-19 potentially weeks away, Virginia is testing its plan for distributing the initially limited supply of the vaccine to the people who need it most — front-line medical workers and the employees and residents of nursing homes and other long-term care faciliti
es.

Also interesting that CVS and Walgreens will be doing vaccines...cut out that Dr middle man
Under Virginia’s plan, the initial doses of vaccine would be distributed through hospitals and, for long-term-care residents and employees, two national pharmacy chains, CVS and Walgreen’s,
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 01, 2020, 11:19:23 am
This is weird coming from me as someone whose business is adjacent to congregant care facilities, but we are way over-prioritizing ALF and SNF residents. Frontline medical staff, then teachers, then elderly starting with those with particular comorbidities.

I don't want to come off antivax, but if there's a side effect, its going to impact the elderly most prominently (most likely) so why give the frailest of them -- and ones who are essentially quarantined -- it first? I just think the order is wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2020, 11:22:27 am
This is weird coming from me as someone whose business is adjacent to congregant care facilities, but we are way over-prioritizing ALF and SNF residents. Frontline medical staff, then teachers, then elderly starting with those with particular comorbidities.

I don't want to come off antivax, but if there's a side effect, its going to impact the elderly most prominently (most likely) so why give the frailest of them -- and ones who are essentially quarantined -- it first? I just think the order is wrong.

Agree
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2020, 11:34:45 am
Concertgoers really need to be first...for the good of everyone
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 01, 2020, 12:03:02 pm
Concertgoers really need to be first...for the good of everyone
I thought it went without saying that Neil Young needs to get dose #1.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2020, 12:15:25 pm
Concertgoers really need to be first...for the good of everyone
I thought it went without saying that Neil Young needs to get dose #1.

Actually, Willie is #1. Neil can be #1 in Canada.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 01, 2020, 12:23:35 pm
Actually, Willie is #1.
Stardust sucks. He can kick for all I care. And Neil Young is an American citizen now.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2020, 12:31:56 pm
Well it’s an interesting hypothetical


Bob will be 80 in May
Neil just turned 75

Willie is 87

The most productive recording musician still going is Neil Young

But Bob is still gigging what 80 shows a year?

Willie puts out a good 2 albums a year but is struggling to keep it together live..lots of cancellations due to health

The one most likely to die from covid is of course Willie followed by Bob

Didn’t Neil get covid really early in game or was that Darryl Hannah?

All three I hope live another 20 years

Willie is practically an angel..

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2020, 12:53:35 pm
Well Dolly is 74 and she helped fund the Moderna vaccine.

And she *is* an angel.

So move her to the front.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 01, 2020, 04:03:01 pm
The average rating of scented candles on Amazon fell as COVID cases rose:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1332398737604431874.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2020, 09:56:30 pm
2611 new deaths reported today


I hope it’s mainly a backlog and the number will go way down soon but that might be wishful thinking
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2020, 10:05:16 pm
2611 new deaths reported today


I hope it’s mainly a backlog and the number will go way down soon but that might be wishful thinking

Unfortunately I think that may be wishful thinking.

People need to hunker down until Spring.

My in-laws invited us to Indiana for Xmas, where to them "COVID is no big deal." The answer is a big fat no.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2020, 10:16:04 pm
I agree with you


My oldest sister who is immune system compromised spent thanksgiving with her in-laws

I know they took every precaution... still I was pretty shocked


But people really do need to hunker down

It’s the patriotic thing to do

Unfortunately people just can’t help thinking it won’t happen to them but when almost everyone thinks like that it does happen to too many

I miss seeing people too but maybe it’s just easier for me... my father in law dying and my mom being in Argentina took that issue off the table...no hard choices for me





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 02, 2020, 03:50:15 am
My in-laws invited us to Indiana for Xmas, where to them "COVID is no big deal." The answer is a big fat no.

and let's be honest, it's Indiana in December.  sure there are some nice breweries and seeing family is nice (for about an hour), but frankly this might be the one situation where i'd be grateful for the pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 02, 2020, 08:55:52 am
My in-laws invited us to Indiana for Xmas, where to them "COVID is no big deal." The answer is a big fat no.

and let's be honest, it's Indiana in December.  sure there are some nice breweries and seeing family is nice (for about an hour), but frankly this might be the one situation where i'd be grateful for the pandemic.

Yeah, we usually break up the visit with a trip into Chicago and another trip to Three Floyds. This year would just be us camped out in a basement for days after a 13 hour drive, while Fox News thunderously blasts in the floor above us, punctuated by religion themed holiday specials. And it's too freaking cold to go for a run and there's no sidewalks available to do it on anyway. And it gets dark at 4pm. And the landscape is gray and bleak and totally flat.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 02, 2020, 10:48:11 am
This will get more media attention overseas than here..funny how US media shields and protects those in power


https://www.the-sun.com/news/1893490/activists-body-bags-mitch-mcconnell-blocked-covid-bill/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 02, 2020, 08:44:23 pm
2611 new deaths reported today


I hope it’s mainly a backlog and the number will go way down soon but that might be wishful thinking

2727 today. :(
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 02, 2020, 09:13:35 pm

Yes

Damn according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


We just set the new record for deaths reported in one day... over 2800 today
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2020, 12:03:58 am
Former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing has died at the age of 94 after contracting the coronavirus.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 03, 2020, 04:23:44 am
Former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing has died at the age of 94 after contracting the coronavirus.

woah.  big name.

who is the most famous person who died from the 'rona?  on this side of the atlantic, i'm thinking herman cain?  roy horn (of siegfried & roy)? nick cordero's fight against the disease got some mainstream heat...

(i suspect someone here is going to say john prine, but c'mon - he's beloved, but not widely famous)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2020, 08:43:57 am
this is where it was supposed to go...but my big thumbs and little phone obviously are not a good replacement for an actual keyboard and mouse


Almost 10% of the NBA
https://wtop.com/nba/2020/12/48-nba-players-positive-for-covid-19-in-first-week-of-testing/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2020, 09:31:20 am
what the flying fuck
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-positive-couple-board-united-airlines-flight-arrested-1552005

At least they were arrested, but only after the flight happened
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 03, 2020, 09:32:57 am
Former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing has died at the age of 94 after contracting the coronavirus.

woah.  big name.

who is the most famous person who died from the 'rona?  on this side of the atlantic, i'm thinking herman cain?  roy horn (of siegfried & roy)? nick cordero's fight against the disease got some mainstream heat...

(i suspect someone here is going to say john prine, but c'mon - he's beloved, but not widely famous)

Take your pick from this list.

https://people.com/health/celebrity-coronavirus-deaths/

I'm going with Tom Seaver.

You're right, John Prine (and Adam Schlesinger) are my musical favorites on that list, but Joe Diffie was pretty huge in the the mainstream country world in the 90's (five number one hits, 18 top 10 hits).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 03, 2020, 09:34:55 am
what the flying fuck
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-positive-couple-board-united-airlines-flight-arrested-1552005

At least they were arrested, but only after the flight happened

You think there the first people to step on a flight knowing they have COVID-19? It bet it happens hundreds of times a week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2020, 09:35:46 am
Obama, Bush and Clinton say they'll get vaccine publicly to prove safety http://hill.cm/bcZsluq

(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1bBgw3.img?h=561&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=2035&y=1088)
(pre-covid pic)

Kinda crazy how all three of these guys are younger than the two who ran for pres this year
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2020, 09:36:34 am
this is where it was supposed to go...but my big thumbs and little phone obviously are not a good replacement for an actual keyboard and mouse


Almost 10% of the NBA
https://wtop.com/nba/2020/12/48-nba-players-positive-for-covid-19-in-first-week-of-testing/

Playing professional and collegiate sports in the current context is lunacy. The insistence on providing “circus” is just sad.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 03, 2020, 09:38:24 am
Playing professional and collegiate sports in the current context is lunacy. The insistence on providing “circus” is just sad.
I missed this in that story
The positivity rate of roughly 9% is below the national average, which is hovering around 10%.

yikes...so they are actually lower than the general population!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 03, 2020, 09:44:24 am
Do you think every tin foil hat wearing terd is going to believe that these former government officials are actually receiving a real vaccine while being filmed for TV?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 03, 2020, 10:17:32 am
Obama, Bush and Clinton say they'll get vaccine publicly to prove safety http://hill.cm/bcZsluq

(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1bBgw3.img?h=561&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=2035&y=1088)
(pre-covid pic)

Kinda crazy how all three of these guys are younger than the two who ran for pres this year

I know  you're good at eating pussy, but for the ladies' sake, please do some bicep curls, Bill.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 03, 2020, 10:22:48 am
Playing professional and collegiate sports in the current context is lunacy. The insistence on providing “circus” is just sad.
I missed this in that story
The positivity rate of roughly 9% is below the national average, which is hovering around 10%.

yikes...so they are actually lower than the general population!

Not really and accurate comparison since we're not testing the entire general population.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2020, 04:34:54 pm
Insane

https://www.mediaite.com/news/staggering-new-cdc-data-suggests-true-coronavirus-death-toll-is-now-near-400000/



We are never going to live this down....but hey we need sports to continue and bars to stay open

Absolute madness


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 03, 2020, 06:36:19 pm
Biden has asked Fauci to stay on , and in addition, to act as his chief medical advisor
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 03, 2020, 09:16:50 pm
250K on December 4

400K on January 1

I'm going to change those dates to December 5 and January 2, as Saturdays seem to be the max out day.

217K today, so 250K on Saturday seems within reach.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 04, 2020, 11:35:49 am
Obama, Bush and Clinton say they'll get vaccine publicly to prove safety http://hill.cm/bcZsluq
and 96 year old Jimmy Carter

 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoWcXiHUcAENKhq?format=jpg&name=small)
you never see Trump hamming it up with anyone
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on December 04, 2020, 11:48:05 am
GF's daughter, her S/O and their roommate. All sick with Rona in Baltimore city. Symptoms started before Txgiving, so we have not interacted in around 2 weeks. Relatively mild symptoms, and good spirits.
I feel like the virus is just around the corner at all times.
Going back to grocery pick-up/delivery, limiting retail outings.

I have friends that keep traveling, visiting friends and family, taking public transpo. I just don't get it, and am alienating them when I call them on it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 04, 2020, 03:41:34 pm
According to one model, I am approximately last in line for the vaccine:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 04, 2020, 03:55:03 pm
According to one model, I am approximately last in line for the vaccine:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html
I was 9th from the end of the line ...

Dang, I'm behind Homeless and Prisoners...some great thanks for all my support of the Florida Felons
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 04, 2020, 04:52:41 pm
...and behind the morbidly obese. Isn't that a trigger for somebody here?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 04, 2020, 08:03:34 pm
Dang, I'm behind Homeless and Prisoners...some great thanks for all my support of the Florida Felons

we're all behind the homeless and prisoners.  they're at much higher risk of infection due to their respective living conditions.  i'm fine with letting them go first.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 04, 2020, 08:09:27 pm
I’m not behind homeless or prisoners.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 04, 2020, 11:09:19 pm
250K on December 4

400K on January 1

I'm going to change those dates to December 5 and January 2, as Saturdays seem to be the max out day.

217K today, so 250K on Saturday seems within reach.

235K today. Tomorrow?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 06, 2020, 04:22:49 am
250K on December 4

400K on January 1

I'm going to change those dates to December 5 and January 2, as Saturdays seem to be the max out day.

217K today, so 250K on Saturday seems within reach.

235K today. Tomorrow?

are you talking about US deaths from COVID-19?  if so, where are you getting your stats?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/ (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/) = 281K
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html) = 281K
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) = 289K
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 06, 2020, 07:59:54 am
He is talking about new cases
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2020, 10:02:28 am
Australia is having “post-COVID” music festivals
https://twitter.com/champchong/status/1335218340919328769?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 06, 2020, 10:13:54 am
He is talking about new cases

Down to 208K yesterday. Maybe the Thanksgiving bump will actually be this week. Or perhaps it's spread out
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 06, 2020, 10:43:32 am
Nostradamus you are not...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 06, 2020, 03:03:32 pm
567 cases for Fairfax County today. And it's Sunday. Might be the most I've seen of any single day.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 06, 2020, 04:50:58 pm
Rudy got the Rona.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2020, 10:31:14 am
567 cases for Fairfax County today. And it's Sunday. Might be the most I've seen of any single day.

620 today. So much for the weekend undercount.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 07, 2020, 01:31:00 pm
Rudy got the Rona.

I just read he's been airlifted to Walter Reed and Sons Piano Repair.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2020, 01:40:37 pm
Only the best care for the worst people
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 07, 2020, 01:48:52 pm
Rudy got the Rona.

I just read he's been airlifted to Walter Reed and Sons Piano Repair.
No, I think its Johns Hopkins Landscaping.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 07, 2020, 05:42:17 pm
"After testing positive for COVID-19, Rudy Giuliani filed a lawsuit with the lab demanding the results be overturned."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2020, 10:53:35 am
567 cases for Fairfax County today. And it's Sunday. Might be the most I've seen of any single day.

620 today. So much for the weekend undercount.

728 today.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2020, 02:23:23 pm
Arrgh.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/trump-vaccine-pfizer-coronavirus-executive-order/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2020, 02:25:23 pm
Shitshow


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2020, 03:44:56 pm
Shitshow

Moderna may be able to fill the hole. Not sure if and how that would affect the timeline.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2020, 03:47:05 pm
Interesting read for sure.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 08, 2020, 10:23:07 pm
Interesting read for sure.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html

"masklessness"

Before 2020, Google only gives 37 hits for the word.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2020, 09:52:37 am
If there is a place called Hell, I think there’s little doubt that this man is going there.

Giuliani expressed little regret over dismissing public health guidelines, compared to that of another Trump ally, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who was hospitalized with COVID-19 in October and said he was "wrong" for not wearing a mask.

"Things happen in life and you have to go with them," Giuliani said on Tuesday. "You can't overreact to them, otherwise you let the fear of illness drive your entire life."

"The minute I took the cocktail," Giuliani said. "I felt 100% better. It works very quickly."

He also noted that he "did not know" of the drug's high price-tag and its lack of accessibility.
"Sometimes, when you're a celebrity, they're worried if something happens to you," he said. "They're going to examine it more carefully and do everything right."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 09, 2020, 02:55:12 pm
FYI:

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/.e/interactive/html5-video-media/2020/12/08/PfizerBioNTech_vaccine_780px.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 09, 2020, 03:26:45 pm
man, that is a complex and expensive procedure!

I gotta imagine this would be a good time to be selling Ultra-cold freezers!
a quick search says they cost 15-20k
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 09, 2020, 04:10:09 pm
man, that is a complex and expensive procedure!

I gotta imagine this would be a good time to be selling Ultra-cold freezers!
a quick search says they cost 15-20k

The other vaccines don't need to be handled like this...I wonder why this is the leading contender.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 09, 2020, 04:18:41 pm
First to market by like a week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 09, 2020, 04:40:40 pm
First to market by like a week.

Yeah, but there are refrigerator temperature vaccines like a week away. One week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 09, 2020, 04:52:04 pm
First to market by like a week.

also, demand >>>>> supply.  the non-ultra-cold vaccine from Moderna is on the way, but we can't manufacture enough of it, fast enough.  so while the Pfizer vax is a pain in the ass (even though the shot goes in your arm - badum psh), it's effective - so we do what it takes to get it out there.

i can't wait to read/see reporting on the black market for these vaccines.  you know that somewhere, somehow, the 1% will have access at ridiculous prices.  i certainly would be willing to pay $10k (o whatever the price is) for a dose for me and my family if i had that kind of money.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 09, 2020, 04:55:08 pm
...and $10K for the second dose? All the vaccines are a 2-shot deal.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2020, 05:11:10 pm
First to market by like a week.

also, demand >>>>> supply.  the non-ultra-cold vaccine from Moderna is on the way, but we can't manufacture enough of it, fast enough.  so while the Pfizer vax is a pain in the ass (even though the shot goes in your arm - badum psh), it's effective - so we do what it takes to get it out there.

i can't wait to read/see reporting on the black market for these vaccines.  you know that somewhere, somehow, the 1% will have access at ridiculous prices.  i certainly would be willing to pay $10k (o whatever the price is) for a dose for me and my family if i had that kind of money.

You're obviously not a firefighter from NYC.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 09, 2020, 05:54:39 pm
...and $10K for the second dose? All the vaccines are a 2-shot deal.

yup.  if i had millions in the bank, i'd pay $20k/person to vaccinate my family.  but i don't so the point is academic.

You're obviously not a firefighter from NYC.

not quite sure what you're getting at... that firefighters in NYC are in the 1%?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 09, 2020, 08:40:41 pm
Brutal day just brutal


What an epic failure
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 09, 2020, 09:25:07 pm
...and $10K for the second dose? All the vaccines are a 2-shot deal.

yup.  if i had millions in the bank, i'd pay $20k/person to vaccinate my family.  but i don't so the point is academic.

You're obviously not a firefighter from NYC.

not quite sure what you're getting at... that firefighters in NYC are in the 1%?

They did a poll of NYC firefighters and only 45% of them said they would get the vaccine. Obviously, they are less enthusiastic about it than you are.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/us/fdny-firefighters-covid-vaccine/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 10, 2020, 02:19:32 pm
Ellen has the Rona.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 10, 2020, 02:25:12 pm
The country would benefit from some major figure dying from this unfortunately the rich, famous and powerful really have a leg up in dealing with covid


A Giuliani dropping dead right about now would sure help

At this rate we could be looking at 400,000 dead by time Biden takes over and nobody seems to be batting an eye

It’s just horrifying
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 10, 2020, 03:35:29 pm
Ellen has the Rona.

I thought she changed his name to Elliot the other day?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 10, 2020, 04:43:17 pm
Ellen has the Rona.

I thought she changed his name to Elliot the other day?
You forgot to log into the Space Freely account.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 10, 2020, 08:46:15 pm
This should contain it


https://www.tysonsreporter.com/2020/12/10/northam-announces-curfew-new-limit-on-social-gatherings-to-curb-covid-19-spread/?fbclid=IwAR2ddooLCO_8joseBE-HZ5HC7TYARqHLp4E17CFiSYqf1vRhYPUMRuATRUk
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 10, 2020, 09:39:28 pm
This should contain it


https://www.tysonsreporter.com/2020/12/10/northam-announces-curfew-new-limit-on-social-gatherings-to-curb-covid-19-spread/?fbclid=IwAR2ddooLCO_8joseBE-HZ5HC7TYARqHLp4E17CFiSYqf1vRhYPUMRuATRUk

So I guess if i want to hang out with a large crowd I'm stuck going to church,
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 10, 2020, 09:43:39 pm
Just to be clear I was being facetious

A curfew between 12 and 5 am it seems to me would hardly impact anybody
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 10, 2020, 09:48:01 pm
Just to be clear I was being facetious

A curfew between 12 and 5 am it seems to me would hardly impact anybody

It's 100% pointless.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 10, 2020, 10:24:38 pm
Just to be clear I was being facetious

A curfew between 12 and 5 am it seems to me would hardly impact anybody
You fool. Everyone knows Covid comes out at night.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 10, 2020, 10:29:56 pm
A curfew between 12 and 5 am it seems to me would hardly impact anybody
there was a time when this might have impacted me, but those times are gone
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 10, 2020, 10:33:24 pm
A curfew between 12 and 5 am it seems to me would hardly impact anybody
there was a time when this might have impacted me, but those times are gone
The thing I’m confused by is — restaurants/breweries/etc de facto had to close at 10pm anyway since that’s when they had to stop serving alcohol. Where are you stopping these people from being at 1am?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 10, 2020, 10:41:24 pm
The only thing I can think of is you’re stopping 2 am runs to 7-11 to get stuff for the munchies
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 11, 2020, 12:12:57 am
Thinking about it some more I guess Northam is just signaling things are getting serious


I expect more measures to follow
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 11, 2020, 09:21:17 am
A curfew between 12 and 5 am it seems to me would hardly impact anybody
there was a time when this might have impacted me, but those times are gone
The thing I’m confused by is — restaurants/breweries/etc de facto had to close at 10pm anyway since that’s when they had to stop serving alcohol. Where are you stopping these people from being at 1am?
Rumor has it cuddle parties kick off at 2AM and have been linked to major super-spreader events
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 11, 2020, 06:03:21 pm
Devin Nunes
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 11, 2020, 06:57:45 pm
Devin Nunes

antibodies only, no live virus.  looks like he got over it and survived.  too bad.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 11, 2020, 08:39:50 pm
good read: What you need to know about the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/17/covid-vaccines-what-you-need-to-know/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 11, 2020, 10:50:16 pm
246K today. America, you've done it again!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 12, 2020, 03:12:26 am
woof.

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/130807372_10160469964113327_8743968010899461936_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=BDUquMLRoVcAX9aXrIm&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=448e0c58c3c76dbe0bf1be9655611ce2&oe=5FFB6328)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 12, 2020, 02:53:44 pm
Devin Nunes

antibodies only, no live virus.  looks like he got over it and survived.  too bad.

He's actually one of only 70 Republican House members who didn't sign on to overthrow the election. So there's that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2020, 08:53:25 pm
been saying since April...rapid, easy, cheap testing is absolutely necessary.
https://www.axios.com/rapid-covid-19-tests-curb-coronavirus-pandemic-f3cfc74e-c2e8-43fd-adfb-6e56e5422705.html
Tuesday, the FDA granted emergency authorization to Ellume's over-the-counter antigen COVID-19 test for fully at-home usage — akin to a standard home pregnancy test.

This is the first test the FDA has approved that can be taken without a prescription and produce results — in about 20 minutes — without the need to either mail in a sample to a lab or wait in line for a clinic.
Michael Mina, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, believes if just half the U.S. population were able to test themselves every four days, the country could quickly achieve vaccine-like "herd immunity" by letting people know in real time when they were contagiouss.
"Scale these tests up, get these into everyone’s home, put these at the door of a restaurant, put these at the door of a gym," Mina said in a press call last week. "We change the balance."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 16, 2020, 09:13:33 pm
All for this but are we to think people who won’t wear masks will be responsibly testing themselves?


They should make these widely available and subsidize the costs or have health insurance pay for say 5 a month or some number
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 16, 2020, 09:24:13 pm
Also these tests could help but also might contribute to giving people a false sense of security about going out more...therefore increasing risk of actually getting covid




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2020, 09:32:23 pm
All for this but are we to think people who won’t wear masks will be responsibly testing themselves?
I don't think you'd get 100% of them, but if all the sensible people and 30% of those idiots do it...Yes I think this could work

Also these tests could help but also might contribute to giving people a false sense of security about going out more...therefore increasing risk of actually getting covid
So if they aren't accurate, that could be a problem
But the article suggests people could take a test before entering a concert or a Gym
I think knowledge is power

Part of the problem is people are infected and they don't know...so they are spreading
even a MAGA if they knew, I think some large percentage would get that result and say....well I should probably stay home
Not 100%, but big enough to make a difference
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2020, 09:33:33 pm
So what would be the motivation for people to take these tests regularly? I tested once for travel purposes back in the summer, and the state I was going to wouldn't even accept this antigen test.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2020, 09:38:31 pm
Guys...I don't freaking know
but if we mailed 300 million home tests to people, I guarantee that at least 200mill would be used and then we'd have an accurate idea of where the infections are and where to focus

then do it again 2 weeks later and we'd uncover some more pockets of infection

and in like 6 weeks we could identify 90% of the infections and act accordingly
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 16, 2020, 09:40:34 pm
Sidehatch you totally overestimate the American people

First of all a huge segment is flat out broke and have to show up to work regardless.. paycheck to paycheck... no savings..they aren’t going to be testing themselves and then not showing up to work!!!

Second of all a lot of people just don’t care.. “freedom” etc...

This will mainly benefit-as usual- the wealthy and the more vulnerable sectors which are the poorer will continue dying at disproportionately higher rates..

I still think it’s a good idea but let’s be realistic



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2020, 09:42:19 pm
Do you really think it a MAGA got mailed a free home test they just had to stick under their tongue (don't actually know how they are administered) that they wouldn't do it?

Ask your inlaws?

yes there are a bunch of wackadoodles in Michigan who will have rallies where they burn their tests
but I'd say the crazy part of maga is really like 15% and the rest are just culture warriors/Taxes/Judges voters and aren't that crazy
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2020, 09:50:43 pm
By the way, just found $2.6 bil we can use to pay to send all Americans 10 of these tests
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/530593-biden-would-save-us-21-billion-by-halting-border-wall-construction
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 16, 2020, 09:53:37 pm
I guess am feeling pessimistic...

The United States is now a failed state... how else can we interpret the covid debacle?


The idea the US government is going to be able to run a mass testing kit distribution program is straining belief.

Also, think about how the issue may be politicized and conspiracy theories develop (Insert name is trying to kill us while enriching himself with the tests made in China by communists!).... You may see red states make these tests or their distribution illegal. Nothing is too wacky for modern America
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2020, 09:56:20 pm
I'm with Hutch, skeptical that people who don't have ample paid sick leave are going to stay home from work just because of a positive test result.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2020, 09:57:24 pm
we have to try, we can't just give up
if people want to be willfully ignorant, well we'll just have to deal with that on a case by case basis
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2020, 09:59:15 pm
I'm with Hutch, skeptical that people who don't have ample paid sick leave are going to stay home from work just because of a positive test result.
Maybe Congress passes a Covid Sick leave plan
where if you test positive, the gov't will pay your employer your salary for 1 month
I just found $2.6 bill, not sure it that will pay for all of that, but it's a start
what if we cut off funding to PBS, that's like 5 trillion right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 16, 2020, 10:00:30 pm
I agree we have to try using all tools and policies at our disposal but we need to be realistic. There is no reason to think these rapid tests will in it of themselves control the pandemic. How much they may help is unclear to me...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2020, 10:06:44 pm
I'm with Hutch, skeptical that people who don't have ample paid sick leave are going to stay home from work just because of a positive test result.
Maybe Congress passes a Covid Sick leave plan
where if you test positive, the gov't will pay your employer your salary for 1 month
I just found $2.6 bill, not sure it that will pay for all of that, but it's a start
what if we cut off funding to PBS, that's like 5 trillion right?

Let's say the average Joe makes 4k per month. 2.6 billion pays for about 650K people to stay home for a month. We're averaging 1.4 million new cases a week.

I was actually making the same argument several months ago, wish the tests had been ready then
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 16, 2020, 10:10:31 pm
No way Republicans will agree to fund this...so unless we pick up both senate seats in Georgia - and I think it’s unlikely-you can forget about it!


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2020, 10:17:41 pm
Let's say the average Joe makes 4k per month. 2.6 billion pays for about 650K people to stay home for a month. We're averaging 1.4 million new cases a week.
Ok by your math, we'd have 8.4 mil cases in 6 weeks
well I think we can find 33bil ...I say instead of 14 F35s...we make 4
there you go I just found 250 billion

I think massive rapid testing for a sustained period would make a huge difference
imagine we did this in June...probably would have only cost $2.6 bil then

...so unless we pick up both senate seats in Georgia -
is this where I say pendant?


Can someone make a good meme of this, kinda writes itself, but looking for style here
I'm with Hutch
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 16, 2020, 10:28:47 pm
A failed state


https://www.the74million.org/article/the-concerning-case-of-clevelands-no-show-students-more-than-8000-kids-are-missing-from-citys-online-classes-as-absenteeism-rates-double/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2020, 10:58:21 pm
247K today! New record and it's only Wednesday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2020, 07:15:01 am
Macron
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 17, 2020, 08:42:17 am
Macron

Give him the Remdesivir.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2020, 04:12:06 pm
All for this but are we to think people who won’t wear masks will be responsibly testing themselves?

answer is in the article:


Michael Mina, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, believes if just half the U.S. population were able to test themselves every four days, the country could quickly achieve vaccine-like "herd immunity" by letting people know in real time when they were contagious.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2020, 04:15:23 pm
So what would be the motivation for people to take these tests regularly? I tested once for travel purposes back in the summer, and the state I was going to wouldn't even accept this antigen test.

n=1.  we've come a long way (since), baby.

admittedly this isn't everyone, but a lot of people have a sense of personal responsibility, and/or are willing to do their part to slow down the pandemic.  yes, the anti-mask MAGAts get all the attention, but at least around me i see a lot of responsible folks out there on the rare times i go grocery shopping, to the post office, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2020, 04:40:57 pm
I'm glad I have sweets on my side!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 17, 2020, 04:59:35 pm
So what would be the motivation for people to take these tests regularly? I tested once for travel purposes back in the summer, and the state I was going to wouldn't even accept this antigen test.

n=1.  we've come a long way (since), baby.

admittedly this isn't everyone, but a lot of people have a sense of personal responsibility, and/or are willing to do their part to slow down the pandemic.  yes, the anti-mask MAGAts get all the attention, but at least around me i see a lot of responsible folks out there on the rare times i go grocery shopping, to the post office, etc.

As i have since March, i wear my mask everywhere indoors, don't go within 10 feet of anybody outdoors, go to the grocery store at oddball times, telework 100% of the time, have not eaten indoors a single time, etc.....I'll save the tests, which have a high degree of inaccuracy anyway. for those who need and want them. Sorry, that doesn't make me irresponsible.

Now, if they were forcing my kid to go into school in-person, yeah, I'd want to test her regularly. But they're not.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2020, 05:03:59 pm
Now, if they were forcing my kid to go into school in-person,
Sweets, I read Inslee is sending the kids back
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 17, 2020, 05:07:11 pm
As i have since March, i wear my mask everywhere indoors, don't go within 10 feet of anybody outdoors, go to the grocery store at oddball times, telework 100% of the time, have not eaten indoors a single time, etc.....I'll save the tests, which have a high degree of inaccuracy anyway. for those who need and want them. Sorry, that doesn't make me irresponsible.
I appreciate your diligence but I really think you and your family can resume using your dining room this winter. Its cold out there, man.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2020, 05:15:34 pm
So what would be the motivation for people to take these tests regularly? I tested once for travel purposes back in the summer, and the state I was going to wouldn't even accept this antigen test.

n=1.  we've come a long way (since), baby.

admittedly this isn't everyone, but a lot of people have a sense of personal responsibility, and/or are willing to do their part to slow down the pandemic.  yes, the anti-mask MAGAts get all the attention, but at least around me i see a lot of responsible folks out there on the rare times i go grocery shopping, to the post office, etc.

As i have since March, i wear my mask everywhere indoors, don't go within 10 feet of anybody outdoors, go to the grocery store at oddball times, telework 100% of the time, have not eaten indoors a single time, etc.....I'll save the tests, which have a high degree of inaccuracy anyway. for those who need and want them. Sorry, that doesn't make me irresponsible.

space, you are indeed not irresponsible... you're exactly the kind of person i referenced in the bolded section, above.  not sure how you thought i was targeting you.  i certainly wasn't.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2020, 05:32:14 pm
Now, if they were forcing my kid to go into school in-person,
Sweets, I read Inslee is sending the kids back

yeah, and it's kind of a mess.  kindergarten, grade school and middle schools may start opening as soon as the end of january, but the situation is chaotic.  i got an email this morning from my kids school saying they couldn't open in a month's time even if they wanted to, so date is TBD but no sooner than february.  it's hard to make the new rules work:

Schools will be required to follow mandatory safety measures established by the state Department of Health. They include screening students and staff for symptoms; maintaining distances of 6 feet, and keeping students in smaller groups or “cohorts” of about 15 if the room doesn’t accommodate that spacing; wearing face coverings; increased hygiene protocols like handwashing, sanitizing and adequate ventilation."

my school's solution it to have a morning cohort and an afternoon cohort - split the class in half and each gets half a day in school.  but no school busses for the morning cohort, so parents need to figure out transpo.  and keeping a class full of 6 and 7 years olds to keep their masks on - how well do you think that's going to go?  it's not all kids, either, only those who want to return to a half-day of classes - many will continue being 100% remote.  so there are issue of how to ensure that everyone is getting the same quality of education, how can teachers deal with both in-person and at-home students, etc...

none of this is relevant to me because we joined a pod that has hired an out-of-work teacher.  so my kids are currently going to "school", which is a converted playroom at one of the pod member's house.  the whole zoom-for-7-hours-a-day wasn't working with the kids, they were miserable and weren't learning much.  this pod school has been a lifesaver.  privilege has its memberships...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2020, 06:27:28 pm
sweets is now a pod-person?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 17, 2020, 06:48:42 pm
I'm not even sure what a pod is.

So proud of my daughter. Straight A's in her AAP classes and Algebra 1 so far in DL. Has had one masked playdate in nine months and has barely complained.

I think we got lucky. She got DL for the two middle school years that everyone hates anyways. I don't envy the parents of lower elementary and feel bad for the high schoolers missing the high school experience.

Maybe this should be in the parenting thread.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2020, 07:05:46 pm
sweets is now a pod-person?

i constantly refer to the other families as "the pod people" and it makes me giggle every time.  thanks for ruining that, as you've correctly pointed out that i, too, am a pod-person.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/Invasion_of_the_Pod_People_VideoCover.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2020, 07:14:06 pm
I'm not even sure what a pod is.

pod = isolation unit.  it's a group of people that join together in a "bubble" - they can interact with each other, but no one outside the pod.  in our case most (but not all) got tested in the beginning, and we have signed a contract to not see other people outside the pod (part of the contract with the teacher).  so we've had them over for birthday parties, we pressed apples together (i fermented it for the group, turned out awesome), etc.  however, we cannot fraternize with others - including our own families.  i can spent christmas with them but not my in-laws who live in the state.  we'll keep this up through the end of the school year or until we are all vaccinated, whichever comes first.  we have meetings when anyone wants to do something against the rules (i.e. any covid-risky activity), and we have the right to shoot down a request if the group deems it unacceptable.

thanks to this country's rugged individualism, authorities have been unable and/or unwilling to truly regulate and enforce social distancing.  in many other countries, they have rules related to pods: depending on the severity of the pandemic, you may be allowed to pod with X other individuals or families.  in canuckistan right now, my sister had podded with our mom, so they can visit each other - but can't visit anyone else.  apparently you can get up to a $6,000 fine for breaking quarantine by seeing anyone outside your pod.

uprising against the concept of pods in 3... 2...

So proud of my daughter. Straight A's in her AAP classes and Algebra 1 so far in DL. Has had one masked playdate in nine months and has barely complained.

I think we got lucky. She got DL for the two middle school years that everyone hates anyways. I don't envy the parents of lower elementary and feel bad for the high schoolers missing the high school experience.

i'm sure i should know this, but what is "DL"?  i only know it as meaning "down-low", as in "please keep that story on the DL", or "he sleeps with other men on the DL."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 17, 2020, 09:19:22 pm
Excellent article: Hang On for Three More Months (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/wait-until-march/617410/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 18, 2020, 03:31:54 pm
ugh.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/12/16/multimedia/16-MORNING-WORLDCASES/16-MORNING-WORLDCASES-articleLarge.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 18, 2020, 10:18:30 pm
254K today! Could possibly be revised upward slightly!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 21, 2020, 11:02:09 pm
Bring it!

https://nypost.com/2020/12/21/a-sex-crazed-roaring-20s-awaits-post-pandemic-yale-prof/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 12:43:16 pm
welp, the last place on earth not impacted by Covid, until now
Three dozen people in Antarctica have reportedly tested positive for COVID-19, marking the first time cases have been recorded on the continent.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 03:25:48 pm
whoa, can't imagine that would ever happen here.  I could see airlines/businesses doing this though
https://summit.news/2020/12/22/french-law-would-ban-people-who-dont-get-covid-vaccine-from-using-public-transport/

Edit...don't think this will actually happen in france
France’s vaccination program... will not be mandatory, but a whopping 55% of citizens say they will not get the shot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 22, 2020, 06:30:38 pm

i'm sure i should know this, but what is "DL"?  i only know it as meaning "down-low", as in "please keep that story on the DL", or "he sleeps with other men on the DL."

I know what the other two DL's are, but i was referring to DL=Distance Learning.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 08:16:59 pm

i'm sure i should know this, but what is "DL"?  i only know it as meaning "down-low", as in "please keep that story on the DL", or "he sleeps with other men on the DL."

I know what the other two DL's are, but i was referring to DL=Distance Learning.
Well there is also the DL = Disabled List
and I don't even follow sports
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 08:19:22 pm
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eeoc-covid-19-vaccine-employers-exclude-unvaccinated-workers

hmm, I get airlines and concert halls...not sure how I feel about this though
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 23, 2020, 10:35:53 am
My understanding is today we hit a sad milestone with 1 out of 1000 Americans dead from covid.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 23, 2020, 02:09:26 pm
Today's piece of shit award goes the "actor" and "Christian" Kirk Cameron:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/23/entertainment/kirk-cameron-protests/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 23, 2020, 03:52:46 pm
My understanding is today we hit a sad milestone with 1 out of 1000 Americans dead from covid.

failed state.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 23, 2020, 04:26:35 pm
Just found out I should expect to get the Moderna vaccine the week of January 11-15. Best Christmas present, ever.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 04:28:09 pm
Just found out I should expect to get the Moderna vaccine the week of January 11-15. Best Christmas present, ever.
we should probably have a thread and Instagram account....and no we are not paying to fly your photographer in, you are going to need to get a selfie stick
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 23, 2020, 04:29:38 pm
We are actually talking about having all the executives get it the first day and do it live on a webinar to try and get more people in the company to agree to it. We sent out a survey and close to 30% are outright declining or "unsure" if they want to get it, which is staggering to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on December 23, 2020, 04:58:54 pm
I am not at all surprised that Julian would potentially be the first boardie to get the vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 23, 2020, 05:18:10 pm
I am not at all surprised that Julian would potentially be the first boardie to get the vaccine.
Ive been telegramming things for you all for years. Pay attention.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 05:42:16 pm
I am not at all surprised that Julian would potentially be the first boardie to get the vaccine.
Ive been telegramming things for you all for years. Pay attention.
I was trying to figure out your cryptic message and screen name change on this....
(http://www.oceanviolet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/dan-640x528.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 23, 2020, 07:50:00 pm
We are actually talking about having all the executives get it the first day and do it live on a webinar to try and get more people in the company to agree to it. We sent out a survey and close to 30% are outright declining or "unsure" if they want to get it, which is staggering to me.

I know posting integers is part of your job, but what else do you do in your job that allows you to get a January vaccination?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 23, 2020, 07:51:32 pm
Jules is an assistant to the regional manager at a health care company.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 23, 2020, 07:52:23 pm
So I took one of those online things that showed you where you are in the pecking order, and they had things split out by age groups:

85+
75-84
31-64
16-30

Whose idea is it that someone who is 64 has the same risk as someone who is 31?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 23, 2020, 07:53:30 pm
31-64 is the "everybody else" category
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 23, 2020, 07:54:55 pm
Jules is an assistant to the regional manager at a health care company.

How does that get you a January vaccination?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 23, 2020, 07:57:06 pm
31-64 is the "everybody else" category

I know that, but when have 31 year olds ever been in the same demographic as 64 year olds? Age in an of itself is a risk factor. 64 year olds die/get sicker at a far greater rate, regardless of comorbidities.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 23, 2020, 08:32:55 pm
Virginia Department of Health’s official position is that all people who work for health care companies (not specifically facilities, more vaguely “companies”) that care for Covid positive patients are considered 1A in the tier for vaccinations.

Not specifically (as you and I would assume — and probably agree should be) those caregivers and clinicians that come in contact with Covid positive patients: everyone. Those of us in corporate. The janitor who comes in after hours. Everyone. They’re sending us like 6,000 (divide by 2) doses.

It’s wild.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 23, 2020, 08:34:12 pm
And let me tell those of you who are wowed by my powers of prognostication, here’s what’s about to follow: Space will tell me I should decline to be vaccinated as I do not deserve/need it and I will tell him to kick rocks and a pretty fair kerfuffle is going to ensue until I get bored of arguing with him.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 23, 2020, 08:36:06 pm
He will probably blame me for his kid not returning to school sooner.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 23, 2020, 09:54:37 pm
He will probably blame me for his kid not returning to school sooner.

I won't, because my kid doesn't want to go back in person until August. But many others on social media will and are
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2020, 10:32:50 am
Ok, this was pretty funny
ben stager@bennnnst
my plan is to get one shot of pfizer and one shot of moderna aka the arnold palmer
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2020, 01:09:28 pm
Seems like people really got the message about not getting together

@TSA screened 1,191,123 individuals at airport checkpoints nationwide yesterday, Wednesday, Dec. 23. It’s the highest checkpoint volume since March 16,
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 24, 2020, 01:25:44 pm
A better metric might be how does it compare to the previous December 23rd?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2020, 01:29:53 pm
A better metric might be how does it compare to the previous December 23rd?
It's down quite a bit...but I think that it's the highest day since march is still telling
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqBFV1zU8Ag5nKT?format=jpg&name=large)

also if you are curious
AskTSA@AskTSA
You can find the comparison of TSA checkpoint travel numbers for 2020 and 2019 by visiting: https://bit.ly/333XpM2
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 24, 2020, 01:51:08 pm
Ok thanks


I am not going anywhere but people are sick of the restrictions ..sick of not seeing family...

If only people could hold on another month or two we might save 100,000 lives
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 29, 2020, 02:04:39 pm
Unsurprising


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/28/russia-admits-to-world-third-worst-covid-19-death-toll-underreported?__twitter_impression=true


I would say Jack up uS total by 100,000
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 29, 2020, 04:14:02 pm
Unsurprising


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/28/russia-admits-to-world-third-worst-covid-19-death-toll-underreported?__twitter_impression=true


I would say Jack up uS total by 100,000

The woman in that picture in the link looks straight out of the Americans, which was set in the 80s.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 29, 2020, 05:07:42 pm
Good info:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CI4FYN8l4CU/?igshid=375iqgi62twm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 06:16:19 pm
just when you thought 2020 couldn't get worse

 first case of rapidly growing UK strand of COVID found in the US. In Colorado.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 30, 2020, 10:48:16 am
People just don’t understand what is happening


1 in 960 Americans have died from covid ...my guess is that number understates it and it’s more like 1 out of 700...that’s a hell of a lot of people

Yet there is no reaction

The vaccine rollout seems as flawed as everything else

No, it's likely not.

It takes some time to set up the distribution of that many vaccines. How many locations are there nationwide that should be receiving doses? 5,000? 10,000? That's a ton of coordination.

And there needs to be clear guidance on who is supposed to get the vaccines. Does that exist at a local level? Is there any accountability to that?


And there needs to be a protocol in place on how to identify those people, set up rooms with necessary equipment, ensure staff is in place to intake, administer and monitor the recipients.  Times 10,000.

And all of this only affects the rollout. Once that's all in place, things will start to ramp up. But the start is slow by definition.

And remember, facilities can't administer all the doses they receive, since one shot is only half the dose.  The most cautious approach is to only inject half the doses - in case you don't get anymore.

Also, they're saying you can't mix and match Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (Arnold Palmer, anyone?). So you're either a sole vaccine facility, or you get both and have to track who gets which one, and make sure you don't run out of either version...twice the complexity, adding to the risk.

So just be patient. You'll get yours. In the meantime, stay inside and wear a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 30, 2020, 11:50:07 am
People just don’t understand what is happening


1 in 960 Americans have died from covid ...my guess is that number understates it and it’s more like 1 out of 700...that’s a hell of a lot of people

Yet there is no reaction

The vaccine rollout seems as flawed as everything else

No, it's likely not.

It takes some time to set up the distribution of that many vaccines. How many locations are there nationwide that should be receiving doses? 5,000? 10,000? That's a ton of coordination.

And there needs to be clear guidance on who is supposed to get the vaccines. Does that exist at a local level? Is there any accountability to that?


And there needs to be a protocol in place on how to identify those people, set up rooms with necessary equipment, ensure staff is in place to intake, administer and monitor the recipients.  Times 10,000.

And all of this only affects the rollout. Once that's all in place, things will start to ramp up. But the start is slow by definition.

And remember, facilities can't administer all the doses they receive, since one shot is only half the dose.  The most cautious approach is to only inject half the doses - in case you don't get anymore.

Also, they're saying you can't mix and match Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (Arnold Palmer, anyone?). So you're either a sole vaccine facility, or you get both and have to track who gets which one, and make sure you don't run out of either version...twice the complexity, adding to the risk.

So just be patient. You'll get yours. In the meantime, stay inside and wear a mask.

Actually, stay outside and wear a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 30, 2020, 12:14:20 pm
Also, they're saying you can't mix and match Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (Arnold Palmer, anyone?).

Ok, this was pretty funny
ben stager@bennnnst
my plan is to get one shot of pfizer and one shot of moderna aka the arnold palmer

Thought this had been discussed...
What if it's just a half a jigger of Moderna, with a full pour of Pfizer and then Regeneron drip as a chaser
Then for the second dose, you mix in some egg white foam and hydroxychloroquine stuffed green olive as a garnish
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 30, 2020, 12:34:21 pm
I'll have to thank Ms Hutch for this funny 'I'm just a Vaccine' vid that John Hopkins made in the spirit of School house rocks "I'm just a bill"
https://www.facebook.com/JohnsHopkinsSPH/videos/748272882452404
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 12:34:41 pm
Over 5200 new cases in Virginia reported today...


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2020, 12:57:29 pm
Initial COVID minimizer "Dr." Drew Pinsky has the Rona.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2020, 12:58:25 pm
Over 5200 new cases in Virginia reported today...

Am I wrong that that's the highest number yet?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 12:59:54 pm
Over 5200 new cases in Virginia reported today...

Am I wrong that that's the highest number yet?

You are not wrong..previous record was about 4750
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 02, 2021, 11:40:36 am
So it’s not unreasonable to think when we are done with this 1 out of 500 Americans will have died from covid..


https://www.mediaite.com/news/jaw-dropping-new-cdc-figures-suggest-true-u-s-coronavirus-death-toll-approaching-half-a-million/



Some hoax
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 03, 2021, 12:28:17 pm
Mick Mulvaney at CPAC: Coronavirus is the Dem’s new favorite hoax. They want to bring down the President.
- Audience cheers

we are soo fucked...


That was the third post in this thread, 2/28/2020, and it was no lie.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 05, 2021, 11:27:14 am
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/01/us-covid-19-death-toll/617544/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 06, 2021, 03:37:29 pm
almost put this is the Musicological banter thread:

CONSPIRACY THEORISTS SPREAD ‘5G COVID’ MIND-CONTROL CHIP DIAGRAM THAT IS ACTUALLY A GUITAR PEDAL (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/5g-covid-guitar-pedal-b1782573.html)
"the image is in fact the plans for a Boss Metal Zone MT-2 guitar pedal"

i tested the MT-2 numerous times at guitar shops but decided that my OD-3 sounded better so i never bought one.  looks like i dodged the 5G bullet there!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 06, 2021, 09:40:14 pm
Meanwhile record cases today and deaths reported at over 4000
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 07, 2021, 12:55:38 am
Meanwhile record cases today and deaths reported at over 4000

SHHH, be quiet, i'm trying to watch the crazy dude with the funny hair and all his friends shout about something...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2021, 04:03:30 pm
these GOP asswipes ...this puts our gov't at risk
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErJmuFeWMAIGRwG?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 07, 2021, 07:57:43 pm
Got my first dose scheduled for Wednesday at 3pm and my second dose of Moderna for 2/4. I’ll report back if Bill Gates starts talking to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 07, 2021, 08:17:29 pm
A filled out CDC Vaccination Card and no stimulus check is really the status symbol of our times.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 07, 2021, 09:28:16 pm
Got my first dose scheduled for Wednesday at 3pm and my second dose of Moderna for 2/4. I’ll report back if Bill Gates starts talking to me.

Or you start talking in killer riffs (https://guitar.com/news/conspiracy-theory-covid-19-vaccine-boss-metal-zone/).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 07, 2021, 09:46:25 pm
I am upset at the number of people dying in the US


Over 4000 again today

This is a lot of dying

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 07, 2021, 09:48:21 pm
I am upset at the number of people dying in the US


Over 4000 again today

This is a lot of dying



That would fill up the redskins stadium in 3 weeks!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on January 07, 2021, 09:58:46 pm
I am upset at the number of people dying in the US


Over 4000 again today

This is a lot of dying



That would fill up the redskins stadium in 3 weeks!

what's the tipping point number where the deniers come to jeezus on this? 40k/week?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 11:25:39 am
Space, I didn't know you lived in Arlington?
https://thepostmillennial.com/arlington-parent-suing-public-school-system-for-lack-of-in-person-learning
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 08, 2021, 11:46:53 am
Space, I didn't know you lived in Arlington?
https://thepostmillennial.com/arlington-parent-suing-public-school-system-for-lack-of-in-person-learning
Space would never pay for a costly attorney on something that has such a relatively low chance of working out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 11:57:02 am
Space, I didn't know you lived in Arlington?
https://thepostmillennial.com/arlington-parent-suing-public-school-system-for-lack-of-in-person-learning

I think I've said repeatedly that we are happy with Fairfax County distance learning for this school year. Plus, I'm way sexier than that guy, who is the opposite of sexy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 01:12:54 pm
Space, I didn't know you lived in Arlington?
https://thepostmillennial.com/arlington-parent-suing-public-school-system-for-lack-of-in-person-learning

I think I've said repeatedly that we are happy with Fairfax County distance learning for this school year. Plus, I'm way sexier than that guy, who is the opposite of sexy.
can we get the wifes opinion on that?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 05:17:58 pm
Hutch, I was just listening to NPR and you should hang out in Giant and Safeways in DC

this reporter was saying she got one when they just randomly announced if anyone wanted a vaccine to show up at the pharmacy

in DC they made it a rule that if they start doing it and not all the people who were supposed to get it don't show up, they have the right to give it to anyone rather than waste it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 08, 2021, 05:43:37 pm
Space, I didn't know you lived in Arlington?
https://thepostmillennial.com/arlington-parent-suing-public-school-system-for-lack-of-in-person-learning

I think I've said repeatedly that we are happy with Fairfax County distance learning for this school year. Plus, I'm way sexier than that guy, who is the opposite of sexy.
can we get the wifes opinion on that?

She's even more pro-distance learning than I am. She's always wanted to homeschool, and I've always been against. This is about as close as she's ever going to get.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2021, 05:50:15 pm
Plus, I'm way sexier than that guy
can we get the wifes opinion on that?
This is what I wanted to know
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2021, 10:01:12 pm
300,000 new cases reported today



We may just get to 400K in the end
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 09, 2021, 08:43:40 am
300,000 new cases reported today



We may just get to 400K in the end

306K. This was the weekend I predicted 400K. Maybe I was off by a week. God bless Murica!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 09, 2021, 01:01:34 pm
Nearly 6000 new cases reported in Virginia today... things are heading in the wrong direction


If Virginia was a country it would have about 25th highest new case total in the world


It’s time to redouble safety efforts and limit going out as much as possible (am writing this also as a reminder to myself)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 11, 2021, 10:08:03 am
So the United States has 22% of the world’s diagnosed covid cases and 20% of the world’s confirmed deaths from covid

I don’t know that we really can say our health care system is doing a bang up job
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 11, 2021, 11:23:33 am


I don’t know that we really can say our health care system is doing a bang up job

Who said that?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 11, 2021, 12:40:45 pm
I think that's more of an indictment of a federal government that fails to lead and a general population that won't give up their "Freedoms".

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 11, 2021, 01:23:14 pm
I think that's more of an indictment of a federal government that fails to lead and a general population that won't give up their "Freedoms".



Agreed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 11, 2021, 01:26:09 pm




This is not about whether government encourages mask use.. it’s about what happens once people are sick


Once people get covid how are we doing in America compared to the rest of the world?

Anyone know?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 11, 2021, 01:33:28 pm
Back of the envelope rough calculation

US death rate about 1.66%
Israel death rate 0.75%
Argentina death rate 2.5%
Mexico death rate 9%
Germany 2%
Canada 2.5%


So maybe our health care system is doing a good job particularly given the strain


Mexico probably has done the worst job.. case count accuracy probably varies greatly with countries that don’t test a lot probably looking worse..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 11, 2021, 08:30:52 pm
Current vaccination rates in US

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/map-covid-19-vaccination-tracker-across-u-s-n1252085?fbclid=IwAR3sEREQgjgadeaebPc709xhcmb40jDfdw5dAUrR1gRjCsf036iTRVboc7k#embed-20201221-plan-your-shot-map
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 11, 2021, 08:39:22 pm
Anne Arundel now has the worst rate of coronavirus spread among the 8 most populous Maryland counties (https://www.capitalgazette.com/coronavirus/ac-cn-maryland-arundel-coronavirus-0111-20210111-qxdxxafnungqbadbsjfxu2we2a-story.html)

Not surprising considering its concentration of insurrectionist types.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2021, 01:22:41 pm
84 deaths reported today in Virginia


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2021, 01:59:50 pm
I hope this vaccine doesn't become an annual thing

Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine expected to provide immunity for at least 1 year
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 12, 2021, 02:38:56 pm
I hope this vaccine doesn't become an annual thing

Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine expected to provide immunity for at least 1 year


All signs point to this being an annual thing. Also, the current slate of vaccines may only be 60% effective against the new South African variant. Expect more mutations that may or may not be controlled by the vaccine. We'll always be playing catch-up developing vaccines to deal with new strains, and it will become a guessing game as to what mix of vaccines should go in the shot.

This is exactly what is happening with the flu shot. COVID-19 is the new influenza.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 12, 2021, 02:44:47 pm
I hope this vaccine doesn't become an annual thing

Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine expected to provide immunity for at least 1 year


All signs point to this being an annual thing. Also, the current slate of vaccines may only be 60% effective against the new South African variant. Expect more mutations that may or may not be controlled by the vaccine. We'll always be playing catch-up developing vaccines to deal with new strains, and it will become a guessing game as to what mix of vaccines should go in the shot.

This is exactly what is happening with the flu shot. COVID-19 is the new influenza.

Is it time to let only the strong survive? At this rate, life will never be back to normal with multiple strains, mutations, refusal to get the vaccine, etc... Le sigh.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2021, 04:41:28 pm
I have a strong compulsion to buy an XBox all of a sudden.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 13, 2021, 04:56:38 pm
Back of the envelope rough calculation

US death rate about 1.66%
Israel death rate 0.75%
Argentina death rate 2.5%
Mexico death rate 9%
Germany 2%
Canada 2.5%


So maybe our health care system is doing a good job particularly given the strain


Mexico probably has done the worst job.. case count accuracy probably varies greatly with countries that don’t test a lot probably looking worse..

There are other contributing factors (age, pre-existing conditions, etc). Numbers alone don’t tell the story.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 13, 2021, 05:03:55 pm
I have a strong compulsion to buy an XBox all of a sudden.

My offspring received a switch over the holidays and I've been enjoying it as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2021, 05:08:10 pm
NO. MUST BE XBOX.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 12:47:16 am
Covid forever

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/moderna-ceo-says-the-world-will-have-to-live-with-the-coronavirus-forever.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 14, 2021, 08:21:48 am
Covid forever

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/moderna-ceo-says-the-world-will-have-to-live-with-the-coronavirus-forever.html

This is exactly what Big Vaccine wants you to believe!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 10:43:35 am
Anyone else hear that in Virginia smokers have access to the vaccine?


I am averaging two cigarettes a day currently
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 14, 2021, 11:25:53 am
Anyone else hear that in Virginia smokers have access to the vaccine?


I am averaging two cigarettes a day currently
This is correct-ish. Most localities are not distributing to 1C yet but smokers are considered to have a "pre-existing condition" and can get vaccinated in the same group with COPD sufferers and folks over 70. Hell of a time to smoke.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 14, 2021, 11:49:19 am
Yeah, but where do they stand on vaping?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 11:50:13 am
Thanks J

Well I tried so hard to quit altogether when this started...made it a few months..I just need to hold on to something for my sanity and it’s so damn addictive..


I will have to think about it...may have to try to get vaccine

Is this the same in DC and MD?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 11:54:24 am
I'm just a few pastry stouts away from "obese."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 11:56:51 am
I'm just a few pastry stouts away from "obese."


I don’t believe this....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 11:58:16 am
I'm just a few pastry stouts away from "obese."


I don’t believe this....

28.9 BMI
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 14, 2021, 11:59:57 am
I'm just a few pastry stouts away from "obese."


I don’t believe this....

28.9 BMI

The last pic I saw of $pace he resembled Jeff Tweedy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 14, 2021, 12:00:58 pm
Eh. BMI on its own isn’t an accurate indicator of that. We’ll need pics.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 12:06:09 pm

He can’t look as bad as Tweedy..that guy is now wider than a queen sized bed.. what the fuck happened?

I hate it when people let themselves go..

If I know Space he looks nothing like Tweedy...am not buying it

But whatever we all have our issues by the time we are older.. just a part of the human condition

I got really bad posture .. I think my accident made it even worse
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 12:08:24 pm
.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 12:09:27 pm

The last pic I saw of $pace he resembled Jeff Tweedy.
dang, that's quite an insult


I got really bad posture ..
Can confirm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 14, 2021, 12:12:26 pm

He can’t look as bad as Tweedy..that guy is now wider than a queen sized bed.. what the fuck happened?



Black hipster glasses, long graying greasy hair, pot belly... I didn't say he looked just like him, resembled.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 14, 2021, 12:18:15 pm
I thought he was closer to Neil Young...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 14, 2021, 12:19:15 pm
I thought he was closer to Neil Young...

Also a good comparison.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 12:24:19 pm

He can’t look as bad as Tweedy..that guy is now wider than a queen sized bed.. what the fuck happened?



Black hipster glasses, long graying greasy hair, pot belly... I didn't say he looked just like him, resembled.

While this is all true, I do have very muscular legs, which I'm sure is not the case for Jeff Tweedy. So I think it's fair to say my extra weight comes from my stomach and muscular legs.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 14, 2021, 12:25:28 pm


While this is all true, I do have very muscular legs

Can't confirm.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 12:25:55 pm
I think it's funny that at least two people who have never met me or seen a picture of me have definitive ideas about what i look like!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 12:42:11 pm
I didn’t realize you are so big...


You come across small in your writing
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 14, 2021, 12:43:37 pm
I think it's funny that at least two people who have never met me or seen a picture of me have definitive ideas about what i look like!

I thought your pic was posted here once. Maybe that was fake news 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 12:45:08 pm
I didn’t realize you are so big...


You come across small in your writing

I'm 5'8.5" and shrinking...I've lost three quarters of an inch to age and back injury. That's not big.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 12:46:37 pm
I think it's funny that at least two people who have never met me or seen a picture of me have definitive ideas about what i look like!

I thought your pic was posted here once. Maybe that was fake news 🤷‍♂️

I'm not savvy enough to post a pic here. Nor do I care enough to bother figuring it out. If it was, someone else did it. Or posted a fake.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 12:50:35 pm
Yada how you doing weight wise?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 14, 2021, 12:51:26 pm
Yada how you doing weight wise?

You must've missed my post on the previous page.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 12:53:40 pm
Yada how you doing weight wise?

You must've missed my post on the previous page.

Wait, you resemble Tweedy?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 12:55:12 pm
Yada how you doing weight wise?

You must've missed my post on the previous page.

This is actually the wrong thread for this topic. Getting the thread back on track, who is Virginia, and to a lesser extent Maryland, doing so poorly? West Virginia is #1.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 12:55:45 pm
Oh ok found it..my bad

Sorry I have not been 100% focused on this forum today
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 12:56:38 pm
Yada how you doing weight wise?

You must've missed my post on the previous page.

Wait, you resemble Tweedy?

Leroy Bach is the Wilco member he most resembles.

https://alchetron.com/Leroy-Bach

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 12:56:50 pm
Yada how you doing weight wise?

You must've missed my post on the previous page.

This is actually the wrong thread for this topic. Getting the thread back on track, who is Virginia, and to a lesser extent Maryland, doing so poorly? West Virginia is #1.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

No idea

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 14, 2021, 01:04:05 pm
Oh ok found it..my bad

Sorry I have not been 100% focused on this forum today

Get your priorities in order!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 01:07:00 pm
I think it's funny that at least two people who have never met me or seen a picture of me have definitive ideas about what i look like!

I thought your pic was posted here once. Maybe that was fake news 🤷‍♂️

I'm not savvy enough to post a pic here. Nor do I care enough to bother figuring it out. If it was, someone else did it. Or posted a fake.
I think you may have posted it and you definitely looked like neil young in the photo
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 01:10:07 pm
Plot thickens
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 14, 2021, 01:20:12 pm
Plot thickens

(https://media.giphy.com/media/1gArwncRlXac8GIhNy8/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 01:20:54 pm
Hey am just trying to drum up some excitement
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 14, 2021, 03:15:49 pm
Space, isn't your or Celeste's insta public? Someone sent me a link to it a few years back.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 14, 2021, 03:18:59 pm
Is this the same in DC and MD?
Just got off the phone with our Silver Spring office -- yes: smoking puts you in 1C in MD. I'll see if I can get someone on the phone in DC in a bit.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 14, 2021, 03:22:37 pm
Is this the same in DC and MD?
Just got off the phone with our Silver Spring office -- yes: smoking puts you in 1C in MD. I'll see if I can get someone on the phone in DC in a bit.

So if you claim that you're a smoker, do they actually check on that?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 14, 2021, 03:33:17 pm
Is this the same in DC and MD?
Just got off the phone with our Silver Spring office -- yes: smoking puts you in 1C in MD. I'll see if I can get someone on the phone in DC in a bit.

So if you claim that you're a smoker, do they actually check on that?
I really can't speak for every facility handing it out but I will say from personal experience this week that the pharmacy I got the shot at was really doing no employment verification. It was just "and who do you work for" and that was it. The link to get an appointment was mostly passed around thru health care circles but there would have been absolutely nothing stopping me from sending the sign up link to a buddy, them getting an appointment, throwing an $8 scrub top on and claiming to work for a doctors office and getting the shot.

Now, that said, I know of another clinic that was only injecting people who were in VAMS which required an authorized agent of a provider loading the employees into the system -- that would be hard to fake your way through.

I bet the smoking thing will turn out the same way. Some places will be fastidious and make you bring a medical record where a doctor notes a history of smoking (or obesity, or COPD, or type 2 diabetes). Others will be more loosey goosey and just take people's word for it.

I will say to people wanting the vax ASAP -- if you know of a place that is administering (not a facility but like a pharmacy) call them and ask about walk-ins if people cancel and shots are about to expire. Place I went was totally doing that. Between no shows (!!!!!) and people signing up and not knowing it was 1A only and being honest they're not health care workers, they said they have about 15 doses extra per day and if they can't reschedule waitlisters by end of week, they were first-coming, first-serving on Thursdays so they don't go to waste. My wife is calling like 5 places twice daily to see if she and some elderly neighbors who can drop everything and be there in ten minutes can get the shot too.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 14, 2021, 03:55:50 pm
Wait... So if you're a smoker you get bumped up the list? Maybe bump them up for euthanasia (sorry hutch).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 14, 2021, 04:02:31 pm
Wait... So if you're a smoker you get bumped up the list? Maybe bump them up for euthanasia (sorry hutch).
Yeah. Smoking is considered a pre-existing condition like asthma and bumps you to 1C-1 (https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/11/heres-a-breakdown-of-who-gets-the-vaccine-when-in-dc/) which is not getting the vax at this very second in DMV but will be soon.

It kinda tracks since COVID, obviously kills people through respiratory dysfunction, and if you smoke, you're way behind the 8 ball on that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 04:05:17 pm
I think it's funny that at least two people who have never met me or seen a picture of me have definitive ideas about what i look like!

I thought your pic was posted here once. Maybe that was fake news 🤷‍♂️

I'm not savvy enough to post a pic here. Nor do I care enough to bother figuring it out. If it was, someone else did it. Or posted a fake.
I think you may have posted it and you definitely looked like neil young in the photo

Well you've met me in person. Did I look like Neil Young? Or Jeff Tweedy?

I can see the Jeff Tweedy, because we have similar glasses and hair. (Though I'm probably 15 pounds over my ideal weight, and he's probably 40 pounds over his.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 14, 2021, 04:06:22 pm
Wait... So if you're a smoker you get bumped up the list? Maybe bump them up for euthanasia (sorry hutch).
Yeah. Smoking is considered a pre-existing condition like asthma and bumps you to 1C-1 (https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/11/heres-a-breakdown-of-who-gets-the-vaccine-when-in-dc/) which is not getting the vax at this very second in DMV but will be soon.

It kinda tracks since COVID, obviously kills people through respiratory dysfunction, and if you smoke, you're way behind the 8 ball on that.

Does smoking weed multiple times daily count? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 04:12:25 pm

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErtpivnXAAgRrWV?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2021, 04:15:19 pm
Well you've met me in person. Did I look like Neil Young? Or Jeff Tweedy?

I can see the Jeff Tweedy, because we have similar glasses and hair. (Though I'm probably 15 pounds over my ideal weight, and he's probably 40 pounds over his.)
In that photo..NY for sure
IRL ...maybe tweedy, but maybe joe walsh
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Joe_Walsh.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 14, 2021, 04:24:41 pm
Wait... So if you're a smoker you get bumped up the list? Maybe bump them up for euthanasia (sorry hutch).
Yeah. Smoking is considered a pre-existing condition like asthma and bumps you to 1C-1 (https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/11/heres-a-breakdown-of-who-gets-the-vaccine-when-in-dc/) which is not getting the vax at this very second in DMV but will be soon.

It kinda tracks since COVID, obviously kills people through respiratory dysfunction, and if you smoke, you're way behind the 8 ball on that.

Does smoking weed multiple times daily count? Asking for a friend.
That's a really good question I cannot determine a quick answer to. It would track that, yes, but again YMMV depending on if there are medical records of this and how stringent a fact checking the vaccination-providing facility is being.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2021, 04:25:54 pm
Well I am being advised either I quit smoking 100% or get the vaccine

It’s such bullshit.. I was a smoker when she met me...way heavier

Now I smoke a cigarette I get read the riot act


Geezus


I don’t want to jump the line..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 15, 2021, 12:32:26 pm
Israel Vaccine Data Suggests Decrease in Covid-19 Infection Rate After First Dose
The early data, indicating a 33% decline, could offer lessons to other countries rolling out vaccination campaigns (https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-vaccine-data-suggests-decrease-in-covid-19-infection-rate-after-first-dose-11610658607?)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 15, 2021, 02:13:06 pm
Does this mean I'm not going to get a vaccine for a long time?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 15, 2021, 02:35:36 pm
Save yourselves!!




400,000 dead Americans

I don’t envy Biden taking over in the midst of this three headed hydra shitshow: covid deaths, economy problems (we can’t keep printing money forever and expect no repercussions), and of course the political crisis..... but someone has to do it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 15, 2021, 02:38:32 pm
Save yourselves!!


At least 1 out of every 800 Americans has died from covid

400,000 dead Americans

I don’t envy Biden taking over in the midst of this three headed hydra shitshow: covid deaths, economy problems (we can’t keep printing money forever and expect no repercussions), and of course the political crisis..... but someone has to do it

He's a better man that I. When I'm going to be hiking up a mountain, playing with my grandkid, or chilling on a beach.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2021, 02:54:39 am
Willie Nelson has received his covid vaccine

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/15/us/willie-nelson-covid-vaccine/index.html?__twitter_impression=true


With that I can go to sleep
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 16, 2021, 10:09:09 am
Willie Nelson has received his covid vaccine

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/15/us/willie-nelson-covid-vaccine/index.html?__twitter_impression=true


With that I can go to sleep
This just says “this week.” I really need to know if he got it before or after me.

Misses got a walk-in dose yesterday evening. Find out your local distro centers policies on what they do end of day/week with doses allocated for people who miss their appointments and will go bad if not administered (essentially) immediately, people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2021, 10:11:21 am
How does one find out local distribution centers?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 16, 2021, 10:22:21 am
I'm as eager as the next guy to get the vaccine, but what's the rush? It's not like a magic portal of things to do are going to open up because you have your vaccine*.

*If your eagerness is purely health/fear related of catching covid-19, please disregard.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2021, 10:29:52 am
Yeah well if it’s available it makes sense to get it...

I would still wear a mask and limit my going out...

I also would love my partner to get it...

My sister in Texas has pretty bad multiple sclerosis but hasn’t been able to get it and she has tried
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 16, 2021, 10:48:48 am
How does one find out local distribution centers?
In Virginia, contact the VDH or more specifically your county’s health board and ask who is currently giving vaccines to tier 1A and 1B clients. It’s generally colleges and small independent pharmacies (not CVSes or Walgreens) at least here in Richmond. Once you know, start calling them and asking.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on January 16, 2021, 10:49:15 am
Just got my shingles vaccine (1st shot).  No line or distribution problems (Costco).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 16, 2021, 10:51:39 am
I'm as eager as the next guy to get the vaccine, but what's the rush? It's not like a magic portal of things to do are going to open up because you have your vaccine*.

*If your eagerness is purely health/fear related of catching covid-19, please disregard.
I mean, of course the motivation is health related. (Aside from Internet dick measuring points.) I agree it’s not a passport to more activities now but I do think it’ll be the case in 4-6 months.

If you’re going to tell me when we have 40-60% of the population vaccinated that bars/concert halls/movie theatres aren’t going to be demanding to reopen to vaccinated folks (with the wide support of the American population on both sides of the aisle) so they can generate revenue, you’re very narrow sighted.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 16, 2021, 11:11:28 am
(Aside from Internet dick measuring points.)
really the only reason you are getting it

I do think Yada's point is, you are going to have to wait 6 months for anything to reasonably reopen, so if you get it in April ...is it that big of a deal
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 16, 2021, 11:15:17 am
Just got my shingles vaccine (1st shot).  No line or distribution problems (Costco).

Smart.  Have had it - it sucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 16, 2021, 11:21:18 am
Somewhat disappointed that I am only tier B in MD. I'm high risk so the sooner the better.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 16, 2021, 11:23:58 am
I'm as eager as the next guy to get the vaccine, but what's the rush? It's not like a magic portal of things to do are going to open up because you have your vaccine*.

*If your eagerness is purely health/fear related of catching covid-19, please disregard.
I mean, of course the motivation is health related. (Aside from Internet dick measuring points.) I agree it’s not a passport to more activities now but I do think it’ll be the case in 4-6 months.

If you’re going to tell me when we have 40-60% of the population vaccinated that bars/concert halls/movie theatres aren’t going to be demanding to reopen to vaccinated folks (with the wide support of the American population on both sides of the aisle) so they can generate revenue, you’re very narrow sighted.

I'm not going to tell you that... But I'm prepared for another very bleak year.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 16, 2021, 11:35:31 am
I'm as eager as the next guy to get the vaccine, but what's the rush? It's not like a magic portal of things to do are going to open up because you have your vaccine*.

*If your eagerness is purely health/fear related of catching covid-19, please disregard.
I mean, of course the motivation is health related. (Aside from Internet dick measuring points.) I agree it’s not a passport to more activities now but I do think it’ll be the case in 4-6 months.

If you’re going to tell me when we have 40-60% of the population vaccinated that bars/concert halls/movie theatres aren’t going to be demanding to reopen to vaccinated folks (with the wide support of the American population on both sides of the aisle) so they can generate revenue, you’re very narrow sighted.

I'm not going to tell you that... But I'm prepared for another very bleak year.
I think things will be significantly better in Q3. Not “normal” but the worst of it solidly behind us.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2021, 12:49:01 pm
6757 new covid cases in Virginia
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 16, 2021, 07:14:53 pm
"Los Angeles County on Saturday surpassed 1 million coronavirus cases since reporting its first infection nearly a year before and also recorded its first instance of a new, more contagious variant of the virus that was initially identified in the United Kingdom.'
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 16, 2021, 07:21:11 pm
"Los Angeles County on Saturday surpassed 1 million coronavirus cases since reporting its first infection nearly a year before and also recorded its first instance of a new, more contagious variant of the virus that was initially identified in the United Kingdom.'

La Times article estimates 1 in 3 LA County residents have had Covid. County population is 10 million.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 16, 2021, 07:22:56 pm
I've heard estimates of 35% nationwide, counting asymptomatic, undiagnosed cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 16, 2021, 10:33:05 pm
Well you've met me in person. Did I look like Neil Young? Or Jeff Tweedy?

I can see the Jeff Tweedy, because we have similar glasses and hair. (Though I'm probably 15 pounds over my ideal weight, and he's probably 40 pounds over his.)
In that photo..NY for sure
IRL ...maybe tweedy, but maybe joe walsh
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Joe_Walsh.png)

Space footage..

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ4M-8GstgI/?igshid=1sg9c1krptjt
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on January 16, 2021, 11:14:27 pm
I'm as eager as the next guy to get the vaccine, but what's the rush? It's not like a magic portal of things to do are going to open up because you have your vaccine*.

*If your eagerness is purely health/fear related of catching covid-19, please disregard.
I mean, of course the motivation is health related. (Aside from Internet dick measuring points.) I agree it’s not a passport to more activities now but I do think it’ll be the case in 4-6 months.

If you’re going to tell me when we have 40-60% of the population vaccinated that bars/concert halls/movie theatres aren’t going to be demanding to reopen to vaccinated folks (with the wide support of the American population on both sides of the aisle) so they can generate revenue, you’re very narrow sighted.

I'm not going to tell you that... But I'm prepared for another very bleak year.
I think things will be significantly better in Q3. Not “normal” but the worst of it solidly behind us.

I have heard that but for Q4 not, Q3. And can we still even use "Q" as a an abbrev. Maybe just say Ter4.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 17, 2021, 01:04:37 pm
Well you've met me in person. Did I look like Neil Young? Or Jeff Tweedy?

I can see the Jeff Tweedy, because we have similar glasses and hair. (Though I'm probably 15 pounds over my ideal weight, and he's probably 40 pounds over his.)
In that photo..NY for sure
IRL ...maybe tweedy, but maybe joe walsh
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Joe_Walsh.png)

Space footage..

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ4M-8GstgI/?igshid=1sg9c1krptjt

So, basically you guys are saying i look like any middle aged white guy with hipster glasses and long hair. I have big eyes, Gary Oldman has smaller, squinty eyes. Also, Jeff Tweedy has a bulbous nose a large round head. I have a sharper, more pointed nose and smaller, more oval head. I've also heard Butch Vig more than once, but he's got the droopy lips of a stoke victim and that stupid mustache. My lips are small and unremarkable but not sagging.

Who do people say you guys look like?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 17, 2021, 01:06:48 pm
I'm as eager as the next guy to get the vaccine, but what's the rush? It's not like a magic portal of things to do are going to open up because you have your vaccine*.

*If your eagerness is purely health/fear related of catching covid-19, please disregard.
I mean, of course the motivation is health related. (Aside from Internet dick measuring points.) I agree it’s not a passport to more activities now but I do think it’ll be the case in 4-6 months.

If you’re going to tell me when we have 40-60% of the population vaccinated that bars/concert halls/movie theatres aren’t going to be demanding to reopen to vaccinated folks (with the wide support of the American population on both sides of the aisle) so they can generate revenue, you’re very narrow sighted.

I'm not going to tell you that... But I'm prepared for another very bleak year.
I think things will be significantly better in Q3. Not “normal” but the worst of it solidly behind us.

I have heard that but for Q4 not, Q3. And can we still even use "Q" as a an abbrev. Maybe just say Ter4.

Maybe it depends on what you consider "normal?" I wish they had tested the vaccine on 14+ instead of 16+.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 17, 2021, 06:06:16 pm
6757 new covid cases in Virginia

9914 today, and they say it's not due to any backlog. Be safe, folks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 17, 2021, 06:16:44 pm
Jeepers that’s awful

Is there a website with VA numbers by county?

Tell me these make America dumb again jerkoffs aren’t responsible

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 19, 2021, 10:02:44 pm
PG County COVID vaccination sign up form

https://covid19vaccination.princegeorgescountymd.gov
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 19, 2021, 10:19:31 pm
Hey that’s handy....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 20, 2021, 08:55:56 am
If you're from PG, I take it.  I presume they aren't taking non-residents.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 20, 2021, 09:04:22 am
MD county by county vaccine info

https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-county-vaccine-resources-20210118-ib3hqacfmzburoew55h5cxfdnq-story.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 20, 2021, 10:33:50 am
At a glance you need to reside in the county in which you are being vaccinated. Makes sense.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 20, 2021, 10:35:45 am
We love PG ever since we moved here...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 20, 2021, 11:51:33 am
We love PG ever since we moved here...

*updates records*
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on January 21, 2021, 03:32:42 pm
At a glance you need to reside in the county in which you are being vaccinated. Makes sense.

Interesting. 

In CA you need to live or work in the county, as it does no good to re-open a business in a county that has their vaccine plan together if more than 30% of their employees live in counties that don't have their shit together.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 21, 2021, 04:56:41 pm
At a glance you need to reside in the county in which you are being vaccinated. Makes sense.

Interesting. 

In CA you need to live or work in the county, as it does no good to re-open a business in a county that has their vaccine plan together if more than 30% of their employees live in counties that don't have their shit together.
Virginia does not seem to have ANY enforcement of locality other than Virginia residency. (EDIT: There may be county specific "our residents only" vaccination events that I am unaware of but none of the pharmacies/colleges doing 1A were geographically limited.) Someone drove an hour to Charlottesville because there was an open appointment there from my company.

The scenario you lay out would be especially ineffective here where cities are not part of counties so every population center would have several vaccinating entities with varying levels of "shit togetherness" around every population center here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on January 21, 2021, 05:13:19 pm
The scenario you lay out would be especially ineffective here where cities are not part of counties so every population center would have several vaccinating entities with varying levels of "shit togetherness" around every population center here.

I don't work in San Francisco.  So despite being high on the list because of my employment, if I had to be a resident of the county where I was employed, I could conceivably be a liability at my work as they try to safely reopen if I couldn't get the vaccine simply because I didn't work there.

However, as you note, I am much more likely to get my shot in SF because it is both a city and county long before my work county. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 21, 2021, 06:07:34 pm
Good


https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/us/vaccine-tourism-florida-new-york/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2021, 06:41:07 pm
@NickKnudsenUS
Here is the new Twitter account for the Biden/Harris COVID-19 Response Team. Give ‘em a follow!

@WHCOVIDResponse

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 22, 2021, 03:52:02 am
straight outta julian's america:

All overweight D.C. residents will get priority for the coronavirus vaccine. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-vaccine-overweight-smokers/2021/01/20/bd6cb53c-5a74-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html)


along with smokers!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 22, 2021, 09:07:06 am
straight outta julian's america:

All overweight D.C. residents will get priority for the coronavirus vaccine. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-vaccine-overweight-smokers/2021/01/20/bd6cb53c-5a74-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html)


along with smokers!!!

Technically, 30+ is "obese", not "overweight."

I went down by 0.1, so I'm going in the wrong direction.

Sara Tartof, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Kaiser Permanente’s research department, said that in a study she helped lead on factors that increase coronavirus risk, a BMI over 40 — severe obesity — “eclipsed” almost all other risk factors. BMI over 30 also posed some risk.

“We don’t see anything in our data — and this is a very large data set that I’m talking about — I don’t see an association below 30,” Tartof said. “And for death, we don’t see a statistically significant association below 40.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 22, 2021, 12:03:04 pm
Applying for my free "vaccinateds-only" Super Bowl tickets. #RestartConcertsImmediately
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 22, 2021, 01:52:53 pm
One year anniversary of my last live show...Heilung at the Fillmore.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 22, 2021, 02:49:30 pm
New U.K. strain slightly deadlier

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/alarma-variante-britanica-del-coronavirus-apunta-mayor-nid2579184
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 27, 2021, 03:52:15 pm
How does this thread drop off the first page?

Anyway, hope this guy from MIT is right.

https://covid19-projections.com/path-to-herd-immunity/


By: Youyang Gu
Last Updated: January 26, 2021 (First posted December 9, 2020; CDC plots updated daily)
With the availability of the COVID-19 vaccine, we present our best estimate of the path to COVID-19 herd immunity in the United States. Herd immunity will be reached through immunity from two sources: vaccination and natural infection. On this page, we provide the latest COVID-19 vaccine projections and current vaccination progress.
January 26 Update: We are factoring in rollout of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine starting in late February/early March. In the past week, over 1 million doses were administered per day. Given no unforeseen supply issue from Pfizer/Moderna, we now estimate that the general public can receive the vaccine by April, and over 60% of the US adult population will be fully vaccinated by June. We also estimate that over 200 million doses will be administered in the first 100 days of the new presidential administration, more than double the administratoin’s original “100 million shots in 100 days” goal. Our timeline for a complete “return to normal” remains unchanged (June/July 2021).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 27, 2021, 04:15:40 pm
People are tired of covid and just can’t process it


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 27, 2021, 06:16:08 pm
I agree if everything continues as it is or all other things being equal we should begin going back to “normal” later this year BUT

It will remain hard to process what will have happened in America. We will have lost 600,000 Americans or more.. one in 500 Americans will have died... lots of people will have lost family and friends due largely to a catastrophic failure of leadership...How normal is that? Is that really normal?? Probably we will as a society sweep it under the rug and move on.. most of them were old... How normal is that? How does that affect the society? What about increasing inequality and poverty in America? Is that “normal”? Maybe for the privileged they will go back to normal but what about the poor that bore the brunt of covid in terms of blood and money? Moving forward would be a repeat of sorts from the Flu of 1918.. But for many reasons that flu which killed close to 1 in 200 Americans was different...it killed young people as easily as old...it came in the middle of a world war...it was a hundred years ago before all the development that was expected to keep it from happening again AND governments basically kept a tight lid on stories about the Spanish Flu....We know it didn’t have to be like this time because we have the examples of other countries that handled it better...Australia has had less than 1000 deaths! For the world’s largest economy to fail on covid in such an epic manner might leave a mark

Honestly to speak of “going back to normal” seems somewhat in poor taste and disconnected from reality

Return to normal is predicated on the assumption no other covids develop that are immune to the vaccines... but surely having hundreds of millions of cases cases worldwide means we should be concerned about mutations
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 27, 2021, 06:35:37 pm
on the assumption no other covids develop that are immune to the vaccines... but surely having hundreds of millions of cases cases worldwide means we should be concerned about mutations
this is my greatest fear as this may go on for years...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 27, 2021, 07:26:47 pm
there is no bottom:

China rolls out anal swab coronavirus test, saying it’s more accurate than throat method (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/anal-swab-china-coronavirus/2021/01/27/cc284f56-6054-11eb-a177-7765f29a9524_story.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 27, 2021, 07:27:47 pm
^THIS is my greatest fear
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on January 27, 2021, 07:28:43 pm
there is no bottom:

I believe that story indicates they found the bottom.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 27, 2021, 07:52:55 pm
you can bring a horse to water...

at least smackie came through for the team. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 27, 2021, 08:38:01 pm
Sorry that kind of humor/banter isn’t me
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 27, 2021, 08:53:09 pm
I've been saying for a while that Spring Break ain't happening but we might eke out Memorial Day Weekend. Maybe a tad optimistic....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 27, 2021, 09:01:10 pm
Sorry that kind of humor/banter isn’t me
Don’t talk like that. Your attempts at humor are super shitty.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 27, 2021, 09:53:11 pm
Good stuff fellas, had my family checking in on me to make sure I was ok after all the snorting I did reading this thread
Maybe 2021 is going to be allllright.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 28, 2021, 12:39:18 am
I've been saying for a while that Spring Break ain't happening but we might eke out Memorial Day Weekend. Maybe a tad optimistic....


A pre-covid Memorial Day weekend?

I think that is very very optimistic

https://www.wsj.com/articles/shape-shifting-virus-threatens-cycles-of-illness-lockdowns-11611752410
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on January 28, 2021, 09:17:17 pm



https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/the-amazonian-city-that-hatched-the-brazil-variant-has-been-crushed-by-it/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2021, 11:25:57 am
Johnson and Johnson 66% effective overall.

So do i get the Johnson and Johnson as soon as possible, or wait to get the Moderna or Pfizer, assuming J&J will be quicker and easier to get?

I guess that's a question for my doctor when i get my physical in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 29, 2021, 11:30:56 am
So do i get the Johnson and Johnson as soon as possible, or wait to get the Moderna or Pfizer, assuming J&J will be quicker and easier to get?
Why are you assuming you would have access to the J&J quicker than the Moderna or Pfizer ones?

I definitely think I would want M/P over J&J all things being equal but if the scenario exists where its J&J now or M/P 3 months from now, that's an interesting hypothetical and risk analysis question. Probably also depends on if you are a person who is more likely to get super sick/die from COVID over baseline (which I do not believe to be the case for you personally but I am not your physician).

I guess there's also a Julian's America grotesquerie to consider of if the J&J vaccine works in a different way than the similarly-functioning M/P ones, do people with means and access get both and if so, when is the acceptable time in our national rollout to do so?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2021, 11:43:05 am
So do i get the Johnson and Johnson as soon as possible, or wait to get the Moderna or Pfizer, assuming J&J will be quicker and easier to get?
Why are you assuming you would have access to the J&J quicker than the Moderna or Pfizer ones?

I definitely think I would want M/P over J&J all things being equal but if the scenario exists where its J&J now or M/P 3 months from now, that's an interesting hypothetical and risk analysis question. Probably also depends on if you are a person who is more likely to get super sick/die from COVID over baseline (which I do not believe to be the case for you personally but I am not your physician).

I guess there's also a Julian's America grotesquerie to consider of if the J&J vaccine works in a different way than the similarly-functioning M/P ones, do people with means and access get both and if so, when is the acceptable time in our national rollout to do so?

The Johnson and Johnson has less storage issues than the Pfizer, and only takes one shot whereas the other two require two shots. So if they made equal amounts, twice as many people would get the Johnson and Johnson.

Yes, I am imagining a totally hypothetical situation where J&J would be more quickly available. But I wonder if there will be any guidelines in regard to to should get what based on how quickly one is available combined with possible differences in efficacy.

It seems like lower risk people should get J&J and higher risk should get one of the other two. But how many people to put in the low risk bucket compared to the high risk bucket is interesting.

I see my overweight, middle aged self and my wife's overweight, middle aged self as being low to moderate, and my possibly slightly overweight teenager as being low risk.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 29, 2021, 12:25:12 pm
The Johnson and Johnson has less storage issues than the Pfizer, and only takes one shot whereas the other two require two shots. So if they made equal amounts, twice as many people would get the Johnson and Johnson.
Oh true, but aren't we likely looking at late February before it rolls out, and then we really don't know what sort of manufacturing ability J&J/AZ is going to have one day 1. Are they ready to ship 10,000,000 doses? Are they ready to ship 100,000,000? I just don't think its a given that a general population person like yourself is going to necessarily be able to get the J&J vax before one of the two-dose models at this specific moment in time.

But I wonder if there will be any guidelines in regard to to should get what based on how quickly one is available combined with possible differences in efficacy.

It seems like lower risk people should get J&J and higher risk should get one of the other two. But how many people to put in the low risk bucket compared to the high risk bucket is interesting.
This is actually a really interesting policy question and I agree with you that the CDC should put out some guidelines.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 29, 2021, 12:26:54 pm
Will they call it a Long Island Iced Tea if you get all three?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 29, 2021, 12:27:43 pm
Will they call it a Long Island Iced Tea if you get all three?
One dose of Moderna and one of Pfizer is a Covid Palmer.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 29, 2021, 01:10:29 pm
Will they call it a Long Island Iced Tea if you get all three?
One dose of Moderna and one of Pfizer is a Covid Palmer.
duh...where have you been, that joke has been around for decades...wait how long have we been on lockdown?!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on January 29, 2021, 01:32:39 pm
Johnson and Johnson 66% effective overall.

Not super stoked about J&J vaccine either, however, the 66% efficacy is world wide.  It's actually higher in the US (closer to 75%, but still lower than Moderna/AstraZeneca/Pfizer).  The main problem is that it was tested in South Africa and is struggling against their new variant....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 29, 2021, 02:37:41 pm
could you imagine if we did this back in March/April...(but 'mericin fredums!)
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-could-demand-returning-israelis-wear-electronic-bracelets-657184

will be used in the following way: Israelis landing at the airport will be taken to a COVID-19 hotel, after getting one negative COVID-19 result they will be allowed to return to their homes if they agree to wear such a bracelet, the report claimed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on January 29, 2021, 03:16:55 pm
Y'all are focusing on the wrong numbers re J&J

Yes, its "only" 72% (in US) and likely decreasing but that only seems bad compared to the blockbuster results of Pfizer and Moderna.

Furthermore the J&J vaccine decreases the likelihood of severe COVID but 85% and death from COVID by 100% after 28 days.

Shoot it into my veins now please.

The number you should all be FAR more worried about is the fact that they will only have 7 million (and possibly as few as 3 million) doses available upon approval in later Feb
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 29, 2021, 05:27:53 pm
reports the Pentagon and FEMA are negotiating the final terms of an agreement that could see the military provide around 450,000 Covid-19 vaccinations a day. Some 10,000 troops would be deployed at 100 vaccination centers across the U.S.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on January 29, 2021, 05:49:35 pm
Y'all are focusing on the wrong numbers re J&J

Thanks for the clarity.  Good to have you back
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 29, 2021, 06:19:46 pm
Y'all are focusing on the wrong numbers re J&J

Yes, its "only" 72% (in US) and likely decreasing but that only seems bad compared to the blockbuster results of Pfizer and Moderna.

Furthermore the J&J vaccine decreases the likelihood of severe COVID but 85% and death from COVID by 100% after 28 days.

Shoot it into my veins now please.

The number you should all be FAR more worried about is the fact that they will only have 7 million (and possibly as few as 3 million) doses available upon approval in later Feb


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Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on January 30, 2021, 01:17:02 am
Yes Bearman!!  Things are definitely looking up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 30, 2021, 01:32:31 pm
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a public health order late Friday requiring face coverings on airplanes, trains, and other public transportation to contain the spread of the coronavirus.

The order will go into effect on Monday.


with zero teeth

The order says it "does not intend to rely primarily on these criminal penalties but instead strongly encourages and anticipates widespread voluntary compliance."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on January 30, 2021, 02:29:16 pm
Maybe we can have young children or little people dress up like Chucky and attack people on the metro like that one New York Subway video that circulating around.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2021, 05:14:46 pm
Four to five years until normal?

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-variants-pandemic-longer-contagious-deadly-88cdee57-a640-484e-860f-2cec9f950a94.html


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on February 01, 2021, 05:33:50 pm
Four to five years until normal?

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-variants-pandemic-longer-contagious-deadly-88cdee57-a640-484e-860f-2cec9f950a94.html

Great news!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 01, 2021, 05:49:10 pm
Four to five years until normal?

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-variants-pandemic-longer-contagious-deadly-88cdee57-a640-484e-860f-2cec9f950a94.html

Great news!

Oh was this posted in the wrong thread??
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 01, 2021, 06:20:12 pm
Four to five years until normal?
yeah, saw that this morning and felt like crying

but...how much credence do you put in a statement from Singapore’s education minister
Is this guy even an epidemiologist or at least a facebook group admin

edit: I did just read this
Lawrence Wong is co-chair of the Covid-19 task force,

 and they appear to have done a much better job than us
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 01, 2021, 11:25:58 pm
I don’t know what to say anymore...


Letting covid19 spread out of control like wildfire  as the US, Mexico and Brazil have done is incredibly irresponsible... when you have so many millions of cases you are just setting yourself up for more and more variants making it potentially harder for vaccine developers to keep up, new variants could be deadlier.. These countries along with the UK (let’s remember their initial herd immunity talk and their slowness to adopt measures the rest of Europe was adopting) not exercising good sense threatens the world... Mexico and Brazil literally seem to have a the more that die the better approach

So we get the UK variant, Brazil variant etc

It seems only a matter of time before the US contributes some new variant as we account for a large share of the world’s cases

Or it will just peter  out and scientists will develop vaccines and incredibly effective treatments...

But it seems a risky bet

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 02, 2021, 09:05:41 am
Well I'll counter you DEbbie Downers with some relatively good news.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashishkjha/status/1356079020878786561

Time to invest your money and hope in Big Pharma.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2021, 09:10:36 am
We have had people on this board tell us we would be back to concerts last summer
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 02, 2021, 09:25:27 am
We have had people on this board tell us we would be back to concerts last summer

Concerts, no. But hiking and sledding, YES!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 02, 2021, 09:33:58 am
We have had people on this board tell us we would be back to concerts last summer

Concerts, no. But hiking and sledding, YES!
Sledding by this summer? Climate change is out of control.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 02, 2021, 09:36:46 am
Well I'll counter you DEbbie Downers with some relatively good news.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashishkjha/status/1356079020878786561
That chart looks great, but a pretty small sample size
I want to see that chart in a month after a few million doses are in it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2021, 09:46:45 am
Wow so they test trialed Covid19 variants that don’t exist yet?


Impressive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 02, 2021, 12:30:16 pm
Positively Yang.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2021, 12:37:28 pm
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/02/health/russia-sputnik-v-phase-3-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 02, 2021, 12:57:40 pm
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/02/health/russia-sputnik-v-phase-3-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Too bad Trump is not still president. If he were, he could likely have them send some our way.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 02, 2021, 01:04:27 pm
Positively Yang.
wonder what that will do for his NYC mayor run?
Does he even have a chance there?
Edit: he seems to be crushing it on polls now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 02, 2021, 01:31:33 pm
He's crushing it on name recognition and its early. There is also run off voting. I would bet on "the field" over Yang.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2021, 07:30:47 pm
I finally clicked on some email from the county which takes one to some interesting data

https://data-dashboard.arlingtonva.us/covid
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 02, 2021, 08:33:52 pm
I finally clicked on some email from the county which takes one to some interesting data

https://data-dashboard.arlingtonva.us/covid
jez that was depressing, happen to live in the worst zip in Arlington
we do have a lot of section 8 housing...unlike a lot of the other Arlington zips
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2021, 10:47:24 pm
Yeah I noticed.. even more reason to avoid south Arlington



I kid!


I am now wearing two face masks


Anyways best covid numbers in weeks... deaths are a lagging indicator but they are going to come down
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on February 03, 2021, 04:16:52 am
Positively Yang.

early contender as first post for a new thread, "ITT, we create porn movie names that - honestly - we're surprised don't exist already."


no, wait.  i was thinking of "positively wang."  my bad.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 03, 2021, 09:15:35 am
no, wait.  i was thinking of "positively wang."  my bad.
In college, I knew a bunch of dudes who invented a fake Asian pornstar (basically a Chinese Ron Jeremy) named Wanghis Khan who would bed women through some subterfuge, leading to his trademark exclamation "you just got Khanned". It was an on-going game to come up with names of his films: Sweet and Sour Porkin', Bangkok Nights, Singapore Blow Me Fun, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 03, 2021, 11:32:48 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9219379/Why-coronavirus-cases-falling-fast-New-infections-drop-44-three-weeks.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 04, 2021, 09:56:50 am
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9219379/Why-coronavirus-cases-falling-fast-New-infections-drop-44-three-weeks.html
can we get a statement from Singapore’s education minister on this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2021, 10:08:09 am
Obviously the two stories are not mutually exclusive.

The situation seems to be currently improving but that doesn’t mean covid19 is disappearing or that new variants might not alter the current landscape.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 04, 2021, 10:17:54 am
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9219379/Why-coronavirus-cases-falling-fast-New-infections-drop-44-three-weeks.html
can we get a statement from Singapore’s education minister on this

Do they even celebrate Xmas in Singapore? Obviously the decline is because typically nobody travels or gathers in early to mid-January.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2021, 10:53:36 am
Did you read the article dude? Cause according to the article that is one of the reasons for decline but there are others....

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 04, 2021, 11:10:51 am
Officials say the drop is likely due to a higher number of people who've had the virus than official counts suggest, as many as 90 million people, and fewer people traveling than did over the winter holidays
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 04, 2021, 11:18:28 am
I think it could also be that many people that haven’t gotten it are simply taking more precautions and limiting contact

The pool of people that can get it due to not masking etc must be going down as more of them go down...

Aldo I think the article alludes to the vaccine.. the more people that get vaccine the less can get covid and certain people that get vaccine like people that work in elderly care facilities and homes can prevent dozens from getting it and dying...



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 04, 2021, 11:57:30 am
Singapore is a very status driven population. Many are likely trying to get vaccinated, make too much to get stimulus checks, lose weight during quarantine, and social distance while increasing their post count on forums. All of this leads to lower COVID rates.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 04, 2021, 12:14:55 pm
14108
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on February 05, 2021, 09:44:34 am
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-04/when-will-covid-pandemic-end-near-me-vaccine-coverage-calculator
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 05, 2021, 07:15:32 pm
Another upbeat article


https://m.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-in-israel-vaccination-doesnt-equal-liberation-657898
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 07, 2021, 06:14:49 pm
At least 1 in 700 Americans have died from covid


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 08, 2021, 08:42:35 am
At least 1 in 700 Americans have died from covid
1 in 10 have received the vaccine
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-10-percent-americans-vaccinated-d0cd3eb4-624f-4033-8111-32d9df3c0971.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: rich_WDC on February 08, 2021, 12:02:33 pm

1 in 10 have received the vaccine
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-10-percent-americans-vaccinated-d0cd3eb4-624f-4033-8111-32d9df3c0971.html
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The percentage-vaccinated number is so key to reopening plans of all sorts, including live entertainment.   Whether or not the number represents any true answers re updated communicability, death rate, etc, the metric of %vaccinated is the crucial benchmark to so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 08, 2021, 12:07:22 pm
FWIW, that 10% is the number of people who have had 1 shot, not the number of people who are immune.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 08, 2021, 01:28:44 pm
yes many holes in that,
but that 30 million doses were delivered is still an impressive number over a short period of time
If team trump hadn't slow-rolled so much of this, would we likely be over 100m by now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 08, 2021, 01:41:17 pm
At least 1 in 700 Americans have died from covid
1 in 10 have received the vaccine
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-10-percent-americans-vaccinated-d0cd3eb4-624f-4033-8111-32d9df3c0971.html

It must be a great comfort to the half million dead Americans
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 08, 2021, 01:52:03 pm
At least 1 in 700 Americans have died from covid
1 in 10 have received the vaccine
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-10-percent-americans-vaccinated-d0cd3eb4-624f-4033-8111-32d9df3c0971.html

It must be a great comfort to the half million dead Americans

I heard on Newsmax that those people are all in heaven now (except for the liberals), and they are indeed comforted that 30 million+ have gotten the first jab. So there you have it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 08, 2021, 01:56:07 pm
Wait. You read newsmax?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 08, 2021, 02:26:12 pm
Wait. You read newsmax?

Isn't it supposed to be the new Fox News?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 08, 2021, 02:52:51 pm
It must be a great comfort to the half million dead Americans
Sources I'm hearing from are saying it's having no impact on those already dead, more polling to follow
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 09, 2021, 05:22:10 pm
(https://cnet1.cbsistatic.com/img/xMIw07GzABWdCF-IayA4zaOKjs0=/940x0/2021/02/09/cf500c09-cd04-4e0f-a368-93d5df4c2209/gettyimages-1231059246.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 11, 2021, 09:25:52 am
Just got me second shot. Awaiting the “Moderna 2 flu” that half my office has had this week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2021, 10:29:44 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 11, 2021, 10:31:57 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot

So why not stop at one?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 11, 2021, 10:32:35 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot
Pretty much everyone where I work got their second shot earlier in the week already and I would say its been like 1/3rd have zero side effects (or minor sore arm), 1/3rd have a headache, and 1/3rd have a fever so bad they take a sick day. Seems very luck of the draw.

Beats the hell out of actual COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 11, 2021, 10:32:39 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot




I mean, it's the immune system kicking in. That's the symptoms.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 11, 2021, 10:33:39 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot

So why not stop at one?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71BRs7KY4wL._SX466_.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 11, 2021, 10:34:22 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot

So why not stop at one?

One doesn't trigger the immune system enough to develop full immunity. You *can* stop at one, but then you'll get COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2021, 10:36:42 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot




I mean, it's the immune system kicking in. That's the symptoms.


I get that

But she has issues from multiple sclerosis

She is ecstatic to get vaccinated but fearful of side effects and her body getting thrown off it’s pretty messed up state
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 11, 2021, 10:37:04 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot

So why not stop at one?

One doesn't trigger the immune system enough to develop full immunity. You *can* stop at one, but then you'll get COVID.
I have a co-worker who elected for this. I spent five minutes trying to convince him of this. Then I called in our VP of Nursing and she spent five minutes trying to convince him of it as well. He still chose to cancel his second dose appointment because of his "risk/reward analysis". I threw a muscle in my eye socket from the eye rolling I did.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 11, 2021, 10:38:08 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot




I mean, it's the immune system kicking in. That's the symptoms.


I get that

But she has issues from multiple sclerosis

She is ecstatic to get vaccinated but fearful of side effects and her body getting thrown off it’s pretty messed up state
I mean, I would prefer not to get a fever for 24 hours too but it seems a small price to pay (even with MS) for the benefits. Like if you think the effects are bad, what the hell do you think having COVID is going to be like?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 11, 2021, 10:38:41 am
My sister is terrified of the after effects from the second shot

So why not stop at one?

One doesn't trigger the immune system enough to develop full immunity. You *can* stop at one, but then you'll get COVID.

Well partial immunity is better than none. Moderna is 52% effective after one shot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 11, 2021, 10:39:14 am
I can’t explain it any clearer dude.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 15, 2021, 12:53:28 pm
First encouraging numbers in months

Keeping my fingers crossed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 15, 2021, 01:01:40 pm
First encouraging numbers in months

Keeping my fingers crossed

They're predicting a March surge, when the much more contagious UK variant becomes dominant in the US.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 15, 2021, 01:09:47 pm
Yea but an overwhelming percentage of 75+ year old Americans - and people working with elderly and vulnerable- should be vaccinated by then...






Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 15, 2021, 01:28:03 pm
True. The death rate may be lower, but the infection rate will spike.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 15, 2021, 01:36:24 pm
Yea but an overwhelming percentage of 75+ year old Americans - and people working with elderly and vulnerable- should be vaccinated by then...

Fingers crossed all the people around my anti-vax mom in the senior living center get the vax.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 15, 2021, 01:46:28 pm
I am trying to be upbeat...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 15, 2021, 02:04:16 pm
True. The death rate may be lower, but the infection rate will spike.
While not ideal, that seems like a much better scenario
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on February 15, 2021, 06:19:41 pm
Just got me second shot. Awaiting the “Moderna 2 flu” that half my office has had this week.

Thanks.  Getting my first shot tonight and planning on having a hangover tomorrow so I don't notice the difference.  I'm going to go ape shit after the second one and really live it up!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 15, 2021, 06:28:01 pm
Just got me second shot. Awaiting the “Moderna 2 flu” that half my office has had this week.

Thanks.  Getting my first shot tonight and planning on having a hangover tomorrow so I don't notice the difference.  I'm going to go ape shit after the second one and really live it up!
First one gave me really bad arm pain like I’d never had with any other shot/vaccination. Kept waiting for the dreaded symptoms after the second but never felt anything less than great. Had co-workers who I’ve never know to take a sick day take two and swear they thought they were going to die but zero from me. Luck of the draw, I guess.

Hope all goes well with your first. Let’s Napa it up after the Misses-es gets vaxed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on February 16, 2021, 01:42:49 pm
I was given the Pfizer vaccine so our experiences may differ.  The only thing I've felt thus far is that my arm feels like I threw an inning or two yesterday, which is a strange feeling for my right arm, being a leftie.

And we are always up for a trip to Wine Country (pandemic receding of course).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on February 16, 2021, 02:01:27 pm
smax, how did you get your mitts on a shot?  i know CA has opened up eligibility, but i didn't think quite that much... but congrats!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 16, 2021, 02:20:55 pm
In Fairfax County, you can bump up on the list if you're 16-64 with a BMI of 25+. Of course I didn't discover this until a week after registration began, and my wife guilted me into not registering for several days after than. But in the end, I registered, and an somewhere at the end of a long list of 1B people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2021, 02:55:10 pm
Cool!


I didn’t bother to register yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 16, 2021, 02:56:54 pm
smax, how did you get your mitts on a shot?  i know CA has opened up eligibility, but i didn't think quite that much... but congrats!
I assume because he's an educator the same way I am a health-care hero.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on February 16, 2021, 03:21:29 pm
smax, how did you get your mitts on a shot?  i know CA has opened up eligibility, but i didn't think quite that much... but congrats!

CA values education.  We are considered the first in line for Tier 1B....

It's also by county, so while my 70+ year old parents in San Luis Obispo county have not been vaccinated, SF has moved on to tier 1B.  When I told my folks that I got my jab, they responded "Great, you've been going in to work every day, so that's important" much to the chagrin of my sisters. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 16, 2021, 03:37:06 pm
That’s great!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on February 16, 2021, 04:22:40 pm
smax, how did you get your mitts on a shot?  i know CA has opened up eligibility, but i didn't think quite that much... but congrats!
I assume because he's an educator

i'm 100% positive he's been kept isolated from the student body for years now, so the usefulness of vaccination is questionable in his case...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 16, 2021, 04:24:36 pm
smax, how did you get your mitts on a shot?  i know CA has opened up eligibility, but i didn't think quite that much... but congrats!
I assume because he's an educator

i'm 100% positive he's been kept isolated from the student body for years now, so the usefulness of vaccination is questionable in his case...
I think you missed part of the joke element of my post like when I referred to myself as a health care hero.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on February 16, 2021, 04:42:53 pm
i'm 100% positive he's been kept isolated from the student body for years now, so the usefulness of vaccination is questionable in his case...

A fair point that I will concede.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on February 16, 2021, 04:44:28 pm
I think you missed part of the joke element of my post like when I referred to myself as a health care hero.

I mean, isn't the truth it's just because the government felt they owed us something for not including us in all of this stimulus check nonsense?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 16, 2021, 04:54:36 pm
I think you missed part of the joke element of my post like when I referred to myself as a health care hero.

I mean, isn't the truth it's just because the government felt they owed us something for not including us in all of this stimulus check nonsense?
^^ This fucking guy right here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on February 16, 2021, 08:02:19 pm
I think you missed part of the joke element of my post like when I referred to myself as a health care hero.

no no, i saw that, but i assumed it was your standard bombast so i ignored :D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 17, 2021, 03:18:19 pm
Ebola is back

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/health-authorities-scramble-halt-new-ebola-outbreak-west-africa/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 17, 2021, 03:22:51 pm
Ebola is back

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/health-authorities-scramble-halt-new-ebola-outbreak-west-africa/
Thanks Biden, I knew voting for him was a bad idea
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 17, 2021, 04:58:21 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Euc-UkWWQAAolHL?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on February 17, 2021, 05:30:01 pm
my folks were able to get vaccinated today... rural western, pa.

Literally just walked up to a church and they were giving it out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 17, 2021, 05:31:28 pm
Both my parents in fl got their two doses already
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 18, 2021, 07:55:44 am
these volunteers are heroes and should get a life time pension for this
U.K. to infect healthy people with COVID for world's first "human challenge trial" (https://www.axios.com/human-coronavirus-trial-uk-079c5f4b-42a3-4b0c-a3c2-33a1754ade04.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 19, 2021, 09:56:01 am
Wouldn't it be awesome if this guy was right?

We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April
Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public about the good news.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2021, 10:04:31 am
That would be great



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2021, 10:05:22 am
yeah but isn't the problem the new variants
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2021, 10:06:30 am
isn't this where Biden can take all the credit for the massive reduction
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2021, 10:31:56 am
Seems like a good summary of this week’s conventional wisdom

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/summer-2021-pandemic/618088/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2021, 12:51:43 pm
isn't this where Biden can take all the credit for the massive reduction
welp seems the right is going to blame biden for this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eul24hhWgAEmvHi?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 19, 2021, 12:58:48 pm
isn't this where Biden can take all the credit for the massive reduction
welp seems the right is going to blame biden for this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eul24hhWgAEmvHi?format=jpg&name=medium)

Why would the Left want everything shut down indefinitely? They wouldn't, idiots. But the Right will try to spin in that way.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2021, 01:21:09 pm
'cause they hate America and want us to be Venezuela...Duh!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 19, 2021, 10:58:53 pm
Seems like a good summary of this week’s conventional wisdom

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/summer-2021-pandemic/618088/

"If all of this holds true, it would mean that many aspects of pre-pandemic life will return even before summer is upon us."


AHEM!

I've been saying for a while that Spring Break ain't happening but we might eke out Memorial Day Weekend. Maybe a tad optimistic....





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 19, 2021, 11:27:20 pm
I didn’t think so but you may end up being right! I hope so
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 23, 2021, 01:25:05 pm
Not sure what is happening with VA covid numbers but 172 reported deaths today on the back of 150 or so yesterday ..both records

I don’t know if it’s a backlog or what


For reference number of deaths in VA have been in the 20s and 30s lately

MD had 30 deaths reported today
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 23, 2021, 02:04:13 pm
Not sure what is happening with VA covid numbers but 172 reported deaths today on the back of 150 or so yesterday ..both records

I don’t know if it’s a backlog or what


For reference number of deaths in VA have been in the 20s and 30s lately

MD had 30 deaths reported today

I'd chalk it up to a backlog in reporting due to the recent weather closures.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 23, 2021, 03:55:53 pm
Smax....do we need to talk
Wealthy Californians reportedly exploit COVID vaccine program (https://www.axios.com/california-covid-vaccine-black-latino-87278622-ddf7-41cd-9c83-36d6d8f90216.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on February 23, 2021, 04:16:00 pm
Smax....do we need to talk
Wealthy Californians reportedly exploit COVID vaccine program (https://www.axios.com/california-covid-vaccine-black-latino-87278622-ddf7-41cd-9c83-36d6d8f90216.html)

"Wealthy Los Angeles residents"

Say no more....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2021, 11:32:11 am
Virginia 149 deaths reported today


Are they spreading the backlog out over three days? That’s nearly 500 deaths reported in three days! In a state that was averaging 30 a day
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 24, 2021, 11:55:35 am
Virginia 149 deaths reported today


Are they spreading the backlog out over three days? That’s nearly 500 deaths reported in three days! In a state that was averaging 30 a day

Sounds possible. Also, no new cases in Fairfax County today. That's not right.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/covid19/case-information
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2021, 11:59:10 am
With those numbers- and for the first time- more people have now died in Virginia than Maryland from covid19
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 24, 2021, 12:03:58 pm
With those numbers- and for the first time- more people have now died in Virginia than Maryland from covid19
That's kind of wild when you consider there are 2.5million more Virginia residents.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 24, 2021, 12:06:11 pm
With those numbers- and for the first time- more people have now died in Virginia than Maryland from covid19

Makes sense.

Virginia=8.6 million population
Maryland=6 million population

The VA cases per 1 million is at 66K, whereas the MD cases per 1 million is at 62K. Though no doubt three times higher.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 24, 2021, 12:11:46 pm
With those numbers- and for the first time- more people have now died in Virginia than Maryland from covid19
That's kind of wild when you consider there are 2.5million more Virginia residents.

Maryland is slightly more obese, 32.3% to 31.9%. Maryland population is also slightly older, 38.7 to 38.2. Maryland is 33% black, Virginia is 21% black. Maryland is 10.6% Latino, VA is 9.7%
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 24, 2021, 01:33:33 pm
he just called MD fat!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2021, 01:34:03 pm
The states that got hit harder early had a tougher time keeping people alive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 24, 2021, 02:53:35 pm
he just called MD fat!

Can confirm. I live in MD (not fat myself tho).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on February 24, 2021, 02:59:26 pm
he just called MD fat!

Doing my part, short of tearing those donuts out of your fingers.

Speaking of donuts, has anyone else had Donut Run?!? I can't keep away...those are the bomb dot com.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: K8teebug on February 24, 2021, 04:54:14 pm
Does anyone else feel like we were born to get vaccine appointments for people? I found the vaccine version of this board on fb at "maryland vaccine hunters" and they had all the tips and tricks I needed to get relatives and friends appointments! Highly recommend if you're looking and are frustrated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2021, 07:10:22 pm
Virginia opening up beginning

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/all-releases/2021/february/headline-892984-en.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 24, 2021, 08:17:29 pm
Virginia opening up beginning

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/all-releases/2021/february/headline-892984-en.html
NC with a dem governor just reopened BARS.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2021, 08:43:44 pm
I can’t pretend to know what is the right thing to do but for me I know I won’t enjoy a bar or concert until I am vaccinated...and until everyone in my household is


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on February 24, 2021, 08:48:52 pm
I can’t pretend to know what is the right thing to do but I know I won’t enjoy a bar or concert until I am vaccinated...

Even once you're vaccinated... when will you feel comfortable rubbing elbows with a bunch of sweaty pear shaped men (settle down walky) in a crowded room? I think wearing masks will still be the norm for a while.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 24, 2021, 08:55:38 pm
Twenty year olds aren’t going to wear masks...

And how do you wear a mask and drink? Venues aren’t going to require masks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 24, 2021, 09:20:12 pm
Twenty year olds aren’t going to wear masks...
Have you met young wokes? They are the most diligent mask wearers on the planet. We will reach herd immunity and five years later they will be wearing masks and talking how the blood of 14 Americans a year is on all the rest of us who-are-not’s hands in some weird COVID virtue signaling.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on February 24, 2021, 11:30:08 pm
Well you've met me in person. Did I look like Neil Young? Or Jeff Tweedy?

I can see the Jeff Tweedy, because we have similar glasses and hair. (Though I'm probably 15 pounds over my ideal weight, and he's probably 40 pounds over his.)
In that photo..NY for sure
IRL ...maybe tweedy, but maybe joe walsh
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Joe_Walsh.png)

Space footage..

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ4M-8GstgI/?igshid=1sg9c1krptjt

So, basically you guys are saying i look like any middle aged white guy with hipster glasses and long hair. I have big eyes, Gary Oldman has smaller, squinty eyes. Also, Jeff Tweedy has a bulbous nose a large round head. I have a sharper, more pointed nose and smaller, more oval head. I've also heard Butch Vig more than once, but he's got the droopy lips of a stoke victim and that stupid mustache. My lips are small and unremarkable but not sagging.

Who do people say you guys look like?

Space at the grand reopening of The Anthem.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe2NMy2r/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 25, 2021, 10:34:42 am
Another 156 deaths in Virginia


Well something is definitely going on..four days in a row of 150+ deaths
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 25, 2021, 10:53:10 am
Seems like cases have crept up ever slightly in the last week nationally.

https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-positive

Also, 508 new cases in Fairfax County today. And we have just over a million people. That would put us over twice the national rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 25, 2021, 11:01:19 am
Did you really think it was zero yesterday?

Come on now Space wake up

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 25, 2021, 11:06:56 am
Did you really think it was zero yesterday?

Come on now Space wake up

Oh right. I had read that there was an error yesterday. Forgot about that, I guess this is just a correction.

Another Fairfax County oddity. The vaccine dashboard had been showing 42K registered for vaccine the first day (1/18) that 1B people were eligible to register. Now it says 44K.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/health/novel-coronavirus/vaccine/data

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 25, 2021, 11:33:23 am
It’s a backlog

https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-feb-24-covid-19-update-149-new-deaths-reported-as-vdh-continues-to-input-data-cases-and-hospitalizations-down/amp/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 25, 2021, 06:29:36 pm
Day 1: @POTUS  set a goal of vaccinating 100 million people in 100 days.

Day 33: We’re already halfway there.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on February 25, 2021, 08:33:52 pm
under-promise & over-deliver
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 25, 2021, 10:08:30 pm
Day 1: @POTUS  set a goal of vaccinating 100 million people in 100 days.

Day 33: We’re already halfway there.

How many had been vaccinated by Jan 20?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2021, 05:01:10 pm
234 deaths reported today in Virginia
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 01, 2021, 08:40:14 pm
234 deaths reported today in Virginia

231 today. Tops in the nation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 02, 2021, 09:24:49 am
Need to dig deeper to ensure it's not a scam, but just received an email from CVS with confirmation of two appointments for a vaccine... woooit!

Edit: my partner signed us up and I was not aware.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2021, 09:36:06 am
That’s great!


My brother in law is 45, lives in Texas and is on his way to get his vaccine shot right now...


So it definitely seems to be opening up
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 02, 2021, 09:52:46 am
Need to dig deeper to ensure it's not a scam, but just received an email from CVS with confirmation of two appointments for a vaccine... woooit!

Edit: my partner signed us up and I was not aware.
The federal pharmacy program is starting to open up state by state to <65yo and those of you with Ticketmaster/F5/refresh-fu skills are going to be well suited to get vaxxed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 02, 2021, 10:13:52 am
  those of you with Ticketmaster/F5/refresh-fu skills are going to be well suited to get vaxxed.

sideF5 should be signed up by Q1 of 2022 then.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 02, 2021, 10:20:01 am
That may be pushing it...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 02, 2021, 10:28:05 am
The first day of signups for 16-64 with a condition in Fairfax County was January 18. They finally made it through all the first day registrants and moved on to the January 19 registrants.

I signed up on January 31. So going to be a while for us.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 02, 2021, 11:59:59 am
  those of you with Ticketmaster/F5/refresh-fu skills are going to be well suited to get vaxxed.

sideF5 should be signed up by Q1 of 2022 then.
I was thinking the exact same thing, I might be 65 before can score a jab that way
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2021, 12:19:50 pm
234 deaths reported today in Virginia

231 today. Tops in the nation.

WTF is going on in VA?

https://www.whsv.com/2021/03/03/virginia-covid-19-cases-rise-by-1549-on-wednesday/

383 additional deaths were reported on Wednesday, leaving the death toll at 9,326.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2021, 12:29:54 pm
These guys need to sit the fuck down and shut up.

On Tuesday, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops urged Catholics to avoid taking the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine and to choose alternatives from Pfizer or Moderna instead because Johnson & Johnson used cells derived decades ago from an abortion to create the vaccine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/02/archdiocese-new-orleans-johnson-vaccine/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2021, 01:10:58 pm
I don’t know

I can only hazard a guess that they were not transparent with the data over past few months and are now adding all these deaths in?

If so I find it appalling

An alternate explanation is they changed the way of counting a death as being from covid?

Nobody seems to care?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2021, 02:21:02 pm
Why do scientists have to rain on my parade?

I think this article is pretty negative


https://news.trust.org/item/20210303133322-kwdag
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 03, 2021, 02:38:46 pm
Why do scientists have to rain on my parade?

I think this article is pretty negative


https://news.trust.org/item/20210303133322-kwdag

It won't end.

Herd immunity + majority of people vaccinated + yearly cycle of vaccines (if needed)

Let anyone that doesn't agree to vaccinate suffer the consequences and move on.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2021, 04:05:23 pm
The most fun four minutes I've ever spent watching someone get a shot.

https://www.whsv.com/2021/03/03/vaccine-vaccine-dolly-sings-jolene-rewrite-before-shot/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 03, 2021, 06:48:21 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/brxpjh6/Screen-Shot-2021-03-03-at-5-45-53-PM.png) (https://twitter.com/JuliaLMarcus/status/1367159066531880961)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 03, 2021, 07:19:16 pm
That’s mine!





Well ...the vaccine I am hoping for
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hemisphire on March 04, 2021, 11:06:22 am
234 deaths reported today in Virginia

231 today. Tops in the nation.

WTF is going on in VA?

https://www.whsv.com/2021/03/03/virginia-covid-19-cases-rise-by-1549-on-wednesday/

383 additional deaths were reported on Wednesday, leaving the death toll at 9,326.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/coronavirus-vaccine-dc-maryland-virginia/2021/03/03/ad18d576-7c1b-11eb-85cd-9b7fa90c8873_story.html

"Virginia reported a record 383 daily deaths Wednesday, which officials say continues to be part of a large backlog from earlier in the year. Virginia health officials said the state did not have the capacity to investigate all fatalities during a December and January surge and are relying on the review of death certificates, a slow and cumbersome process. They expect to be caught up by the end of this week."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 05, 2021, 01:08:12 pm
I assume this is the ticket to live shows....
The rise of vaccine passports
Erica Pandey@Axios

Vaccine passports were touted early in the pandemic as an important piece of the plan to get people back to normal life. Now they’re becoming a reality.

Driving the news: CLEAR, the secure digital identity app that you see in airports around the world, and CommonPass, a health app that lets users securely access vaccination records and COVID test results, have joined forces.

The result is an app that'll tell planes you're cleared to fly, arenas you're cleared to watch the ball game, and Vegas casinos you're cleared to head to the slot machines — all while promising to keep your health data private.
"This is about helping people get back to what they love," CLEAR CEO Caryn Seidman-Becker tells Axios. "This isn’t about we’ll get back to you in a year. This is about reopening tomorrow."

What's happening: Any of the millions of Americans who have been vaccinated will be able to use CommonPass to access and verify that vaccination record — and display it to airlines, resorts or other businesses through the CLEAR app.

CLEAR works with a number of health data aggregators as well as directly with labs to verify customers' COVID test results. With the new CommonPass partnership, CLEAR will be able to display vaccination status as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 05, 2021, 01:38:55 pm
So your vaccination status in the hands of a for-profit company? What could go wrong?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2021, 01:40:28 pm
Right-o


Government tends to do such a great job...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 05, 2021, 01:41:21 pm
well there is that...maybe I should buy stock in CLEAR?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 05, 2021, 02:38:21 pm
Do you guys who have been teleworking think our employers will demand that we go back into the office at the same levels we were once all adults have the chance to be vaccinated?

My wife says she will be looking for another job if her employer makes them go back to the office (she was teleworking one day a week prior, most co-workers weren't even allowed one day.)

Me, I'll be glad to go back once it's safe. Though I may ask to bump from one telework day to two or three.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 05, 2021, 02:53:06 pm
Do you guys who have been teleworking think our employers will demand that we go back into the office at the same levels we were once all adults have the chance to be vaccinated?

My wife says she will be looking for another job if her employer makes them go back to the office (she was teleworking one day a week prior, most co-workers weren't even allowed one day.)

Me, I'll be glad to go back once it's safe. Though I may ask to bump from one telework day to two or three.

I've been working from home in some capacity since like 2014 or 2015.... I can't imagine ever going back to an office daily and would most likely never take a job that required that, unless it was some dire circumstance.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 05, 2021, 03:06:45 pm
I miss going into the office and interacting with the staff...as well as the areas around the office to eat, drink and explore
I'm a people person, I like chatting people up about their family/vacation/hobbies. (I know...why can't you do that with strangers at a bar)

Now can't say that made me a more productive worker, but made me happier...which ultimately benefits my employer

In IT it really helps to have other techs to bounce ideas off/mentor and it's hard to do that remotely...not impossible, but hard to read the persons non-verbal response when you reach out for help or try to offer

I'm managing people and it's really hard to interact on a 'non-work' level with them (Which I think is important)
If I bumped into them in the office we'd talk about GOT or some band, but that's a little awkward to chat someone up..."have you heard the Arlo Pork, it's tasty"

I know my wife left her old job in the Fall of 2019 because they promised 2-3 days a week working remotely, but whenever she took more than one she get the stink eye and they would require a justification for working remotely...it was stupid.  But I'm certain that 100% of that company's employees work remotely 100% of the time now and it's no big deal

For me, I'd like 2-3 days in the office and then be able to have a few week-long remote days on the back of the front end of a weeklong vacation with the family.  So they could get a 2 week vacation, but I only have to take 5 PTO days and would be there to do things at night
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 05, 2021, 03:13:06 pm
Do you guys who have been teleworking think our employers will demand that we go back into the office at the same levels we were once all adults have the chance to be vaccinated?

My wife says she will be looking for another job if her employer makes them go back to the office (she was teleworking one day a week prior, most co-workers weren't even allowed one day.)

Me, I'll be glad to go back once it's safe. Though I may ask to bump from one telework day to two or three.

I've been working from home in some capacity since like 2014 or 2015.... I can't imagine ever going back to an office daily and would most likely never take a job that required that, unless it was some dire circumstance.

I actually like going in during normal times. I read on the train, we have a cheap gym in the building, I go for runs at lunchtime, and i can walk anywhere for a beer after work (especially now that my kid is old enough that she doesn't require care.)

That said, my employer is moving to a different far less desireable location in a couple of years, with a much smaller footprint. We're actually going to be encouraged to work from home for spacing issues. Full time telework may be an option. I wonder if I'll be able to  work from home and move anywhere. That would be interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 05, 2021, 03:19:40 pm
I really do not enjoy WFH as much as I do being in the office. Maybe its my home office setup. IDK. I am happy to be back in the office.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 05, 2021, 03:24:01 pm
Oh, I did forget to mention...my latest job that started this fall...100% remote and they didn't have an office Pre-pandemic, although most are in the DMV
But there were frequent happy hours/meet ups/client visits/conferences previously
So I'm having to deal with this new normal even when we get back to normal...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 05, 2021, 03:26:19 pm
I really do not enjoy WFH as much as I do being in the office. Maybe its my home office setup. IDK. I am happy to be back in the office.

Haha. Tell me about it. My wife claimed the office, my daughter claimed the living room couch, and I was banished to the cold basement.

At this point one of my fears of going back is fitting into my clothes. I did some Spring cleaning the other day, and found i have three types of pants:

1. The ones that will fit ok if l lost a little bit of weight
2. The ones I'll never again fit into
3. Sweatpants

But perhaps that's an aside.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 05, 2021, 03:43:42 pm
Timely email I just received.

https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/the-devastating-side-effect-from-working-remotely-no-one-is-talking-about?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 05, 2021, 06:25:46 pm
I love working from home. I just went to Hold Steady show this afternoon via the Zoom, from work/home, which was cool.

My GF works from home as well. Contractor/Military, and has been told they wont be going back to in-person on-base for a looooong time.

We get to hangout during the day with each other and the cats. Eat more healthy.
No commute time for either of us. No gas $$. No lunch money spent. Such a better lifestyle.

Once the courts all reopen for in-person, then I have to deal with leaving the house to go to Court, and clients are going to expect in person meetings from time to time, but now at least they are conditioned to meet over zoom or the phone, so that's progress.




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 05, 2021, 06:31:14 pm
i miss water-cooler banter, but not as much as i am grateful to not have to commute.  i have always hated losing 1.5 hours a day sitting on a train or behind a steering wheel.

i'm about to start a new job and have been told it'll be remote for at least 6 months. if/when we return to the office, i'll be grumbling about the 30-40 minute commute each way.  after i accepted this job i got hit up by two different headhunters who had 100% remote opportunities they wanted to discuss... oh well, the actual work wasn't as interesting...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2021, 06:38:58 pm
My brother in law is interviewing for a remote job. He has that as a requirement

He lives in the sprawling Houston area and has always had huge commutes and is sick of it..one hour plus each way in traffic

I think we are clearly moving towards more work from home for certain jobs that used to be office jobs.. this crisis has proven it can work fine in many cases

But many will still have to be there. Low income workers will still have to commute until their jobs are taken over by machines or just plain eliminated...minimum wage jobs....at least the commute will be easier until they are unemployed

Congrats sweets!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 05, 2021, 09:29:28 pm
If there's no real point in people going back to offices, is there a point to kids going back to in person school?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on March 05, 2021, 09:37:53 pm
The fact that you can not see the difference between the effects on human adults not going to work versus the effects on human kids not going to school, makes me believe that you missed your calling as a serial killer.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 05, 2021, 09:40:48 pm
Perceptive....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 06, 2021, 04:15:37 am
If there's no real point in people going back to offices, is there a point to kids going back to in person school?

assuming this is a serious question: yes, kids absolutely need to get back to school, at least kids below a certain age.  socialization cannot be taught over zoom.  kids under - i dunno - 10?  cannot be expected to have the motivation and discipline to do virtual learning.


somehow we managed to make spring 2020 school work over zoom, likely because the kids spent the first half of the year with the teacher and their classmates and had some sort of connection to the group.  also it was new, so kinda interesting.  but come the new school year in september, it was a complete disaster.  our kids didn't care about school, would not sit still, kept turning off their camera, and generally weren't learning a thing.  they hated it.  thank the gods of parenting that we found a pod that hired a teacher and was holding in-person classes at someone's house.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 06, 2021, 12:28:19 pm
Another 91 deaths logged in today


I guess one can’t trust in the Virginia Department of Health to provide honest statistics

Pretty shameful

We were at over 7000 deaths a couple of weeks ago..now due to the “backlog” nearing 10000

That’s just ridiculous

Apparently power corrupts and democrats controlling all levels of power in Virginia cannot be trusted

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 06, 2021, 12:38:45 pm
If there's no real point in people going back to offices, is there a point to kids going back to in person school?

assuming this is a serious question: yes, kids absolutely need to get back to school, at least kids below a certain age.  socialization cannot be taught over zoom.  kids under - i dunno - 10?  cannot be expected to have the motivation and discipline to do virtual learning.


somehow we managed to make spring 2020 school work over zoom, likely because the kids spent the first half of the year with the teacher and their classmates and had some sort of connection to the group.  also it was new, so kinda interesting.  but come the new school year in september, it was a complete disaster.  our kids didn't care about school, would not sit still, kept turning off their camera, and generally weren't learning a thing.  they hated it.  thank the gods of parenting that we found a pod that hired a teacher and was holding in-person classes at someone's house.

I think you're right, it does depend on age. And once you get to a certain age, it depends on the person.

My kid is 13 going on 14. So not really a "kid." Just as we see some adults who never want to go back to an office (Yada), we have others who crave the in-person interaction (Sidehatch.) I think it's the same thing for teens. Some need a social life, some don't care.

My kid didn't really care for in-person school (to my chagrin), too many rules and regulations. She has done well with distance learning. She's getting straight A's in honors classes (previously mostly B's), and loves being able to just roll out of bed and log in. I just asked her if she misses being around other students, and she said "No, other kids are annoying, especially middle schoolers. But I'm looking forward to going back, so I can get the "high school experience", though that will probably be disappointing."

So she's happy with distance learning. Sorry if that makes me a serial killer.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 06, 2021, 01:06:45 pm
Reopening


https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/03/05/hilton-brothers-plan-to-reopen-the-brixton-american-ice-company-and-most-of-their-bars/?fbclid=IwAR1oTHUMj3iyGnbxGOkp3vWStvyIaYCNhUpleL_d7bRKHwNbNEEywusPvIw
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 06, 2021, 04:15:00 pm
Covid rescue package passes


0 support from R’s
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 09, 2021, 08:46:44 pm
Hogan goes full Republican... guess I’ll continue to avoid people and once a week carry out
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 10, 2021, 08:33:20 am
Totally caught off guard by that. I don’t think I’ll be running to semi-crowded indoor restaurants and bars anytime soon tho.

Did get my first shot yesterday. Hooray.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 10, 2021, 10:58:53 am
Totally caught off guard by that. I don’t think I’ll be running to semi-crowded indoor restaurants and bars anytime soon tho.

Did get my first shot yesterday. Hooray.

Congrats! I received mine on Monday, no issues!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 10, 2021, 11:10:16 am
You, too! Which brand injection did you get?

I woke up around 4am and didn't feel "right", Not sick but not well, either.  Didn't last, tho. Phizer, btw.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 10, 2021, 11:25:43 am
My father got vaccinated yesterday. He held out for 7 weeks to specifically get the J&J vaccine. This is a man with a bachelors in Biology and a Masters in a different (still scientific) field. I have never been so slackjawed at him in my entire life.

EDIT: By "held out," I think its essential I clarify, he had vaccination appointments scheduled and cancelled because he specifically wanted J&J and not Pfizer/Moderna because he "wasn't sure about that mRNA as a cancer survivor."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 10, 2021, 11:28:25 am
I guess I should feel better about the fact that my shots are still months away.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 10, 2021, 11:43:57 am
You, too! Which brand injection did you get?

I woke up around 4am and didn't feel "right", Not sick but not well, either.  Didn't last, tho. Phizer, btw.

I also received Phizer... No issues minus somewhat of a sore arm.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 10, 2021, 11:49:05 am
You, too! Which brand injection did you get?

I woke up around 4am and didn't feel "right", Not sick but not well, either.  Didn't last, tho. Phizer, btw.

I also received Phizer... No issues minus somewhat of a sore arm.

I heard that one messes with your spelling abilities.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 10, 2021, 12:01:59 pm
You, too! Which brand injection did you get?

I woke up around 4am and didn't feel "right", Not sick but not well, either.  Didn't last, tho. Phizer, btw.

I also received Phizer... No issues minus somewhat of a sore arm.

I heard that one messes with your spelling abilities.

Sorry, looking at Phish dates.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 10, 2021, 12:28:39 pm
I guess I should feel better about the fact that my shots are still months away.
General population is going to start getting doses in April, if not sooner. Not much longer, dude.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 10, 2021, 12:29:13 pm
Sorry, looking at Phish dates.
CONCERTS SHOULD RESUME IMMEDIATELY.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 10, 2021, 12:33:24 pm
I heard that one messes with your spelling abilities.

Well done.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 10, 2021, 04:13:26 pm
Not sure this is an option, but if you live OR work in AK...they are giving anyone over 16 a Vax for the 'rona
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 12, 2021, 10:18:58 pm
So Michigan is planning on vaccinating 16+ starting the beginning of April and Maryland appears to flailing away trying to get through Phase one.

I guess this means having a badass Dem as a governor  is better than one with an ineffective Republican one.  Guess Michigan is not the hot mess I thought it was... all that assembly line know how is being put to work..,

Hoping MD and VA get their stuff together soon...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 12, 2021, 10:21:35 pm
/scribbles note/

slogan idea for unwashed masses: Hoping MD and VA get their stuff together soon...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 12, 2021, 10:24:45 pm
MD and VA will be at the same point MI is within a week or so of MIs date. I don’t think people understand the sheer amount of doses we have coming over the next 8 weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 13, 2021, 08:48:45 am
I think most of us should expect an end to remote working in the near future. I was hoping it would roll through the summer but that's unlikely.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2021, 09:04:24 am
So in VA we get a “day of prayer” the morning after st. Patty’s day
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2021, 01:02:08 pm
I don’t need a prayer I need a vaccine!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2021, 04:49:29 pm
I think most of us should expect an end to remote working in the near future. I was hoping it would roll through the summer but that's unlikely.

What if there's nothing about your job that can't be done from home? What is the point of going to an office and doing what you can do at home?

Regardless, those employers who haven't learned anything from this and who want/need their workers back full time probably won't require it until school is back five days a week. And who knows when that will be.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2021, 04:56:12 pm
I don’t need a prayer I need a vaccine!

Sign up through Valley Health.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2021, 04:56:40 pm
So in VA we get a “day of prayer” the morning after st. Patty’s day

No, it's March 14.

https://www.wavy.com/news/virginia/richmond/northam-declares-march-14-day-of-prayer-and-remembrance-for-virginians-lost-to-covid-19-flags-to-be-flown-at-half-staff/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2021, 08:00:07 pm
So in VA we get a “day of prayer” the morning after st. Patty’s day

No, it's March 14.

https://www.wavy.com/news/virginia/richmond/northam-declares-march-14-day-of-prayer-and-remembrance-for-virginians-lost-to-covid-19-flags-to-be-flown-at-half-staff/


We will remember my father in “law”and almost 10,000 Virginians


It’s a day of prayer and remembrance

Thanks for the heads up

See this board is good for something
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 13, 2021, 08:09:48 pm
What if there's nothing about your job that can't be done from home? What is the point of going to an office and doing what you can do at home?

I completely agree and I envy those who don’t go back. My job can be done 100% from home. Not expecting it to stay that way. But I will be asking for some flexibility. Early hours. Work from home 1-2 days a week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 13, 2021, 09:54:48 pm

No, it's March 14.
Correct... for some reason I thought SPD was 3/13
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 13, 2021, 10:18:56 pm
4.58 million vaccine doses administered in the US today

New record.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 14, 2021, 02:15:36 am
I think most of us should expect an end to remote working in the near future. I was hoping it would roll through the summer but that's unlikely.

What if there's nothing about your job that can't be done from home? What is the point of going to an office and doing what you can do at home?

Regardless, those employers who haven't learned anything from this and who want/need their workers back full time probably won't require it until school is back five days a week. And who knows when that will be.

i've been told we will be remote at least through the end of july.

the pandemic has changed the expectation that everybody has to be in the office.  'round these parts, lots of tech/IT folks have come to expect work from home, and employers who insist on having everyone in the office 5 days a week are going to lose a good number of their staff to employers that allow work from home.  the times they are a-changin'.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 14, 2021, 10:22:31 pm
Things are finally- one year later- heading in the right direction...

Nobody will ever convince me we would be where we are with a Republican administration


Trump would have been doing all kinds of shady stuff: all the vaccines for Republican led states, selling vaccines to other countries and grifting, using vaccine distribution for political leverage, maybe picking a vaccine and saying no to others (trying to get bribes)

The mind reels at all the wacko shit a re-elected and emboldened Trump would have pulled with regards to vaccine distribution

As it stand today for the first time in about a year we weren’t first or second in the world in terms of new reported deaths... and down to 36,000 new cases.. lowest in like five months


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 15, 2021, 09:11:36 am
4.58 million vaccine doses administered in the US today

New record.
Want to cycle back to this now that I have returned -- this number is insane considering where we were on January 1. The vax process wasn't in as bad of a place as people think when Biden took over (similar to how the economy was improving when Trump took over in 2016) but Biden's team has truly ramped this up incredibly well. The J&J and Merck partnership and the ability to get single-dose immunity out (that doesn't have a 3-5 week latency period) is a game changer for watching our numbers fly up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 15, 2021, 09:28:01 am
I have read that the partnership was already in the works...


Doesn’t really change anything in my book..my conclusions are the same...

Team Biden is doing a good job
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2021, 02:35:34 pm
just heard MD is going to Phase 2 of vaccines next week
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 18, 2021, 03:17:25 pm
just heard MD is going to Phase 2 of vaccines next week

Next Tuesday starts 2A 60+
3/30 is 2B 16+ with underlying
4/13 is 2C 55+
4/27 is Phase 3 everybody else
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 18, 2021, 03:23:11 pm
just heard MD is going to Phase 2 of vaccines next week

Next Tuesday starts 2A 60+
3/30 is 2B 16+ with underlying
4/13 is 2C 55+
4/27 is Phase 3 everybody else

It's a 55th birthday present for me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 18, 2021, 07:39:11 pm
Day 1: @POTUS  set a goal of vaccinating 100 million people in 100 days.

Day 33: We’re already halfway there.
Looks like we'll reach 100 Million shots 31 days early

so do we call them the 'do-something-dems' now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 18, 2021, 08:01:45 pm


Seemingly everyone felt the 100 million target significantly undershot

I do think it’s an accomplishment nonetheless
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 19, 2021, 10:29:01 am
We played Fountains of Wayne as we drove this morning to get our first jabs.
Waiting 15 minutes post-jab, they were playing "Won't Get Fooled Again." Seemed like my 80 year old "I'm not letting them put that poison into me" mom was playing DJ.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 19, 2021, 10:39:54 am
We played Fountains of Wayne as we drove this morning to get our first jabs.
Waiting 15 minutes post-jab, they were playing "Won't Get Fooled Again." Seemed like my 80 year old "I'm not letting them put that poison into me" mom was playing DJ.
Congrats!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2021, 12:05:42 pm
That’s great space


Am jealous...


Although I been informed that even if I get the shot I have to live my life like I haven’t cause I could pass on the covid to my kids who haven’t been vaccinated

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 19, 2021, 12:18:59 pm
That’s great space


Am jealous...


Although I been informed that even if I get the shot I have to live my life like I haven’t cause I could pass on the covid to my kids who haven’t been vaccinated

I plan on doing everything the same, except I'll fly for the first time in July, with unvaccinated kid. She also wants me to take her to King's Dominion again this year...something we've been doing together every year (except 2020) since she was little...would be hard to say no to that one.

If your kid has no health risks, the chances of having a serious case of COVID are very, very low.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 19, 2021, 12:54:43 pm
I just got an appointment in MD ahead of the 2B schedule using this site

https://askaamc.formstack.com/forms/community_vaccination


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2021, 01:20:24 pm


A pretty far removed cousin had his around ten year old son catch covid recently and go through hell and the kid still isn’t recovered...hospitalized and everything.. real suffering ... kid had no preexisting issues

But like you am sure will do some things differently.... still, doesn’t seem like bars or concerts are in my future for a good long time...

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 19, 2021, 01:33:35 pm


A pretty far removed cousin had his around ten year old son catch covid recently and go through hell and the kid still isn’t recovered...hospitalized and everything.. real suffering ... kid had no preexisting issues

But like you am sure will do some things differently.... still, doesn’t seem like bars or concerts are in my future for a good long time...

I've heard hearsay that Moderna will have a vaccine ready for 12-15 year olds prior to the start of school. Are your kids in that range?

Also, wouldn't your kids be more endangered by being around (many) other unvaccinated kids all day in school than from their (one) vaccinated dad going to a concert a couple times a week?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 19, 2021, 01:44:33 pm
I've heard hearsay that Moderna will have a vaccine ready for 12-15 year olds prior to the start of school. Are your kids in that range?
They're in phase 3 of a trial around children and phase 2 of a trial around infants but I do not know the age ranges for where those two split off.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2021, 01:56:32 pm


A pretty far removed cousin had his around ten year old son catch covid recently and go through hell and the kid still isn’t recovered...hospitalized and everything.. real suffering ... kid had no preexisting issues

But like you am sure will do some things differently.... still, doesn’t seem like bars or concerts are in my future for a good long time...

I've heard hearsay that Moderna will have a vaccine ready for 12-15 year olds prior to the start of school. Are your kids in that range?

Also, wouldn't your kids be more endangered by being around (many) other unvaccinated kids all day in school than from their (one) vaccinated dad going to a concert a couple times a week?

We chose to keep our kids home when we had the option of sending them to school two days a week... we want them to be as anti social and fucked up as possible...but alive

I assume by the time September rolls around they will go back to school and have been vaccinated

But before I had assumed once I got vaccinated I could go back to relative normal and this does not seem to be the case... so while I want the vaccine I am not as excited any more... I realize this is selfish..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2021, 01:58:23 pm
so while I want the vaccine I am not as excited any more...
so no more Mr. Give it to me

looks like the masks may be here for a while longer...even with the vax, which is a bummer
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2021, 02:02:08 pm
Well no I still want it just to be sure I don’t die


Although I am so careful... and it’s so much less out there... the odds of me getting it are low.. I hardly do anything
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2021, 02:26:22 pm
to be honest, I wish we knew a little more about how it spreads

Yes masks work...but it isn't only spreading from non-mask wearers
Does it seem that people who are wearing masks are still getting it
are people getting from touching the door handle at the grocery store and wiping their eyes later?
We may never know, but I was kind of feeling that cleaning the groceries with bleach really didn't make much of an impact on transmission.  My feeling is that it has a short life span in the open air, especially in sunlight.  So if someone coughs on an outdoor picnic bench, the chance of catching that a few seconds later is low.
But if you are in a bar and cough on the table or in the bathroom, that could linger on surfaces for minutes or hours and definitely in the air that is being recirculated

But are people getting it in their eyes even if they are wearing masks when someone coughs up the road or in a grocery store?

My feeling is the risk is people are out there, infected and spending time with others in enclosed rooms for extended periods of time
and because it can take two weeks to show symptoms, it's impossible to know who is sick infected

I still think the deployment of rapid testing to everyone and every location in the US should be a part of the plan going forward
I think it would be great if I went to a restaurant or concert and prior to admission, you had to take a rapid test
Wouldn't be fool proof or 100%, but would let those who may not even know they were infected...stop spreading and isolate immediately
that in conjunction with massive vax rollout

I'm sure excon will detail this out, so this was more of a prompt for him or Julian to respond
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 19, 2021, 02:33:43 pm
Thank you for laying the groundwork Stingy
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 19, 2021, 03:09:14 pm
I have heard of very little talk of massive rapid testing
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 19, 2021, 04:42:53 pm
We played Fountains of Wayne as we drove this morning to get our first jabs.

Spacey's Mom?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 19, 2021, 05:16:14 pm
We played Fountains of Wayne as we drove this morning to get our first jabs.

Spacey's Mom?

POTW
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2021, 08:36:03 pm
^ can confirm.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2021, 05:29:31 pm
I feel better



https://www.instagram.com/p/CMsHkmZMlVy/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2021, 03:52:05 pm
Krispy Kreme will give you a free doughnut every day this year — if you've been vaccinated (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krispy-kreme-free-doughnut-every-day-2021-covid-19-vaccination-card/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6j)
(should be required to walk around the building 5 times before getting free dounut)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2021, 04:26:19 pm
I would be embarrassed to take part in this type of promo

Like the free taco during the World Series

Who does this for a $1 item?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2021, 04:33:19 pm
Who does this for a $1 item?
I bet A LOT of people will
Maybe not Julian and the other elite of the board, but I bet ratbastard would
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2021, 05:47:02 pm
I guess I could see if I was there buying a dozen...asking for my free donut

It’s been over a decade since I have bought donuts
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 22, 2021, 06:15:54 pm
Its time to start again,  and get thee to Donut Run!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 22, 2021, 06:51:51 pm
While I maybe don’t love donuts, Krispie Kreme is very correct that we have a huge issue in this country with incentivizing people to get vaccinated and the young woke Twitter left are the worst offenders. #RestartConcertsForThrVaccinatedNow
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 22, 2021, 07:43:11 pm
Mark my words, Krispy Kreme is going to turn us into a nation full of fat people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2021, 07:48:01 pm
Aren’t we already?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 22, 2021, 07:51:14 pm
Mark my words, Netflix is going to turn us into a nation devoid of traveling minstrel shows.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2021, 07:59:14 pm
Aren’t we already?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2021, 08:08:20 pm
Mark my words, Spotify is going to turn us into a nation unaware of the true cost  to make pop art
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 22, 2021, 08:16:56 pm
Mark my words, NFTs are going to turn us into a nation who doesn’t memorialize our wealthy in etchings.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 22, 2021, 08:25:46 pm
Aren’t we already?


Aren’t we already?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on March 24, 2021, 03:20:38 pm
Mark my words, NFTs are going to turn us into a nation who doesn’t memorialize our wealthy in etchings.

If you are using digital coins to purchase digital "etchings" are you actually wealthy in the first place, or is it all just the new flex, or simply a mirage?

Mark my words, Spotify is going to turn us into a nation unaware of the true cost  to make pop art

Ha, you think people were ever aware.  That's cute.

Mark my words, Krispy Kreme is going to turn us into a nation full of fat people.

Fat vaccinated people.

Mark my words, Netflix is going to turn us into a nation devoid of traveling minstrel shows.

But there will be a documentary telling us all about it, and they will watch it not seeing the irony.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 24, 2021, 03:54:52 pm
to be honest, isn't all $$$ digital at this point?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 01:31:07 pm
Who's worse?

Covid shamers or Vaccine shamers?

I'm going with vaccine shamers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2021, 01:33:12 pm
What are they?

Shaming you for getting covid or shaming you for not getting the vaccine?

If that’s so the former is much worse

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 01:37:11 pm
What are they?

Shaming you for getting covid or shaming you for not getting the vaccine?

If that’s so the former is much worse

I should've detailed this a bit better.

Covid Shamers - People that ridiculed and criticized every move you made for the past year
Vaccine Shamers - People that think they're on some upper level tier of humanity because they're waiting their "turn" for the vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2021, 01:42:48 pm
Hmmmm

I like to think waiting my turn puts me on the normal level of humanity...


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 01:46:36 pm
Hmmmm

I like to think waiting my turn puts me on the normal level of humanity...

This wasn't directed at you, but at this point, turns don't matter (and really never did).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2021, 01:48:34 pm
Turns don’t matter?


I will wait my turn...


Is this more Yada slippery slope morality?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2021, 01:51:41 pm
Turns don’t matter and never did?


Tell that to the tens of thousands of elderly people that aren’t dying cause they got vaccinated ahead of people waiting their turn?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 01:55:34 pm
Turns don’t matter?


I will wait my turn...


Is this more Yada slippery slope morality?

lol!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 01:56:58 pm
Turns don’t matter and never did?


Tell that to the tens of thousands of elderly people that aren’t dying cause they got vaccinated ahead of people waiting their turn?

Yeah, I think this process is garbage. I know multiple that want to get vaccines that can't (or should I say couldn't) and multiple people that could have access to it based on supply (yet can't because of "turns").

Also, what is different today for schools in terms of letting children go back that is any different from one year ago today? 

Lots of wasted time and effort hutchess.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 01:58:40 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CM4w2G3Duya/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2021, 02:04:27 pm
Vaccine Shamers - People that think they're on some upper level tier of humanity because they're waiting their "turn" for the vaccine.
So people are acting like they are morally superior because the haven't gotten the vax because they didn't cheat the system to get one early??
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 02:11:56 pm
Vaccine Shamers - People that think they're on some upper level tier of humanity because they're waiting their "turn" for the vaccine.
So people are acting like they are morally superior because the haven't gotten the vax because they didn't cheat the system to get one early??

If that's how you'd like to phrase, sure thing sidemorality
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 02:22:46 pm
Example:

Covid Shamers I know fairly well who are 50ish were recently in trump country Maryland and CVS was legitimately giving out vaccines to ANYONE who wanted one. Our other friends who are 40ish and healthy were like, "fuck it, might as well get a vaccine while I can."

They spent the rest of the weekend with the former covid shamers then shaming them for being vaccinated early.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2021, 02:35:54 pm
so this is a weird argument,
 if those 40 somethings didn't take those vaxes they would have been wasted and not used at all
I don't think they have a long shelf life
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 02:38:56 pm
so this is a weird argument,
 if those 40 somethings didn't take those vaxes they would have been wasted and not used at all
I don't think they have a long shelf life

There ya go... however, the dickbag shamers refused to take the other vaxxes because they want to "wait their turn."

Like I said, moral superiority
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2021, 02:43:01 pm
Now I do think there are a lot of people who are jumping the line and that's a different situation
I think there could be some shame there as someone who is high risk legitimately could have gotten that vax and didn't...and is now sick/dead
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 26, 2021, 02:48:11 pm
Now I do think there are a lot of people who are jumping the line and that's a different situation
I think there could be some shame there as someone who is high risk legitimately could have gotten that vax and didn't...and is now sick/dead

I'd be interested to know how many people have actually died because someone skipped them in line, i'm guessing it's pretty damn small...

At any rate, hindsight is 20/20 but the process of rollout in some ways successful, has been really shitty in other ways. You can't compare apples to apples as well. Where my parents live, it was legitimately given to ANYONE that wanted to get it walking into a church cafeteria.

Down here, it's like battlin' in Nam.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 26, 2021, 03:59:57 pm
i'm guessing it's pretty damn small...
can confirm...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 26, 2021, 05:21:10 pm
The young woke Twitter left virtue signaling? YOU DON’T SAY.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 26, 2021, 05:35:47 pm
If vaccines would go to waste that obviously isn’t the same as jumping the line


No system is perfect

That doesn’t mean waiting your turn is stupid

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 28, 2021, 10:33:59 am
JIC:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/carcinogen-found-in-hand-sanitizers-that-plugged-pandemic-gap
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 28, 2021, 11:25:59 am
That’s just great.....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 28, 2021, 11:30:49 am
JIC:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/carcinogen-found-in-hand-sanitizers-that-plugged-pandemic-gap

Great news! Now wait in line to get vaccinated like a good samaritan!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 28, 2021, 11:50:49 am
I don’t feel superior for waiting in line.. but you seem to feel superior for thinking it’s stupid to wait in line!!


Neil Young who is 75 and loaded just got vaccinated a week ago.. the guy has to have plenty of preexisting conditions or risk factors


I don’t tell others what to do but I would feel pretty bad cutting in line in front of Neil Young... 

So am sort of done with this.. I don’t recall ever preaching about it or once telling anyone what to do
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 28, 2021, 12:48:42 pm
Perhaps I’m mistaken but don’t you smoke, Hutch? If so, we are very much at your place in the line.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 28, 2021, 01:25:30 pm


So am sort of done with this.. I don’t recall ever preaching about it or once telling anyone what to do

I never accused you of said actions or said the original post was directed towards you, but you seem to be dying on that hill.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 28, 2021, 01:28:24 pm
D o n e

Nice try but I will not be baited...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 28, 2021, 01:33:42 pm
D o n e

Nice try but I will not be baited...

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKJNFVZ4xCMriFy/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 28, 2021, 01:48:00 pm
Perhaps I’m mistaken but don’t you smoke, Hutch? If so, we are very much at your place in the line.

My partner says it might happen this week


I think we were a little late to submit our info


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 28, 2021, 03:04:25 pm
Perhaps I’m mistaken but don’t you smoke, Hutch? If so, we are very much at your place in the line.

My partner says it might happen this week


I think we were a little late to submit our info
If you smoke, you are very much eligible now. I have helped about 40 people get vaccinations. Shoot me a PM and I will walk you through what pharmacies are offering in Alexandria/Arlington and how to check and what times they load new doses. If you’re willing to be up at like 12:05am, you should have something in the next week following my method even though NoVa is the hardest area to get one in Virginia currently.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 28, 2021, 06:53:22 pm
Well my partner is yelling at me that she told me this and we are going to wait to get the call which should be soon...

Thanks J, very kind of you
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 29, 2021, 03:23:21 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=61&v=2hekDuCBxCc&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 12:16:05 am
Ok I registered on the CVS website for this weekend

Basically you check website at midnight and slots open up at the various CVS pharmacies in the area you live.. lots of Moderna some Pfizer’s

I had no Pfizer near me so I chose Moderna

Then you have to answer some questions and give them your healthcare info if you don’t want to shell out out of pocket

You also pick the appointment time for your second dose which is about a month later
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 30, 2021, 02:22:42 am
i got shot on friday.  weekend was fine, but i needed a nap this afternoon due to unmanageable tiredness.  my body fighting spike proteins?  seasonal flu?  staying up too late watching BS on youtube?  who knows.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on March 30, 2021, 08:49:41 am
The cvs trick worked for me as well.  Got my 1st shot yesterday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 30, 2021, 08:55:23 am
Also, at CVS (at least the one I went to), you don't pay a dime, or provide an insurance card, or even show your ID. I simply said my name and was put in line (a line with one person ahead of me).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2021, 09:17:26 am
So how do y'all feel about vaccine passports? You’ll need to show this vaccine passport for international travel, and possibly even domestic travel. The private sector might end up requiring it as a condition of employment, and service providers and retailers might require it for entry.

Being forced to show a vaccine passport to do most things you do on a routine day? What do you think?

Maybe we should also construct some ovens for those who refuse to be vaccinated?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-25...icket-for-international-travel
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 30, 2021, 09:20:10 am
So how do y'all feel about vaccine passports? You’ll need to show this vaccine passport for international travel, and possibly even domestic travel. The private sector might end up requiring it as a condition of employment, and service providers and retailers might require it for entry.

Being forced to show a vaccine passport to do most things you do on a routine day? What do you think?

Maybe we should also construct some ovens for those who refuse to be vaccinated?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-25...icket-for-international-travel

It will never happen but I'm all for it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 09:24:12 am
I think it’s great


I am not sure it will happen in the US - I can already see red states challenging the constitutionality and Freedumb-but I would like to see it happen

Let’s imagine this covid plays out as we think it will and there are mutations all the time and we need vaccine shots every year and maybe booster shots too

How are we going to be able to somewhat go back to normal if we don’t track who has gotten the shots?

Are you just trying to be polemic comparing this to the Nazis killing millions? In very bad taste
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 30, 2021, 09:24:37 am
Also, at CVS (at least the one I went to), you don't pay a dime, or provide an insurance card, or even show your ID. I simply said my name and was put in line (a line with one person ahead of me).
The CVSes I have been taking people to were asking if people needed to update their insurance info but they have no super motivation to ask as there is a federal program who pays them for uninsured people and it, in great government fashion, pays more then the Medicare/caid or standard insurance rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 30, 2021, 09:28:46 am
Vaccine passports would be great. Not optimistic it’ll ever happen tho.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2021, 09:29:32 am
I think it’s great


I am not sure it will happen in the US - I can already see red states challenging the constitutionality and Freedumb-but I would like to see it happen

Let’s imagine this covid plays out as we think it will and there are mutations all the time and we need vaccine shots every year and maybe booster shots too

How are we going to be able to somewhat go back to normal if we don’t track who has gotten the shots?

Are you just trying to be polemic comparing this to the Nazis killing millions? In very bad taste

I am as anti-vaccine card as I am pro-vaccine.  IMO, getting vaccinated should be a personal choice, not a mandate for everyday life. That's all I'll say.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 09:33:26 am
That’s the dumb rationale for people not wearing masks!!

When your not getting the shot threatens me or my kids it’s not a personal choice but a societal choice...focusing on the individual on a collective issue is misguided


I can see vaccine passports taking off in some states and also as a requirement for international travel.. some countries may choose not to let people in without it..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 30, 2021, 09:37:39 am
I think it’s great


I am not sure it will happen in the US - I can already see red states challenging the constitutionality and Freedumb-but I would like to see it happen

Let’s imagine this covid plays out as we think it will and there are mutations all the time and we need vaccine shots every year and maybe booster shots too

How are we going to be able to somewhat go back to normal if we don’t track who has gotten the shots?

Are you just trying to be polemic comparing this to the Nazis killing millions? In very bad taste

I am as anti-vaccine card as I am pro-vaccine.  IMO, getting vaccinated should be a personal choice, not a mandate for everyday life. That's all I'll say.

Anti vaccine card shaming is the new vaccine shaming!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2021, 09:40:54 am
That’s the dumb rationale for people not wearing masks!!

When your not getting the shot threatens me or my kids it’s not a personal choice but a societal choice...focusing on the individual on a collective issue is misguided


I can see vaccine passports taking off in some states and also as a requirement for international travel.. some countries may choose not to let people in without it..

How about this rationale?

It is also likely that demographic groups with higher levels of trust in authorities and medical institutions are the most willing to be vaccinated, and this may adversely affect marginalized communities. A recent study found that Black Americans – who have legitimate reasons to distrust the medical establishment – were the least likely of any racial group in the U.S. to say they’d get vaccinated against the coronavirus.

As such, vaccination passports could perpetuate existing inequities within countries if those who are vaccinated can enjoy the freedom to move about their community while others remain in lockdown.


https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-may-be-on-the-way-but-are-they-a-reason-for-hope-or-a-cause-for-concern-156534
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 30, 2021, 09:43:42 am
Honest question: what are their legitimate reasons aside from distrust of authority?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 09:47:45 am
Space I just don’t have the time or desire to get sucked into this but maybe someone else does?

If there are reasons certain communities don’t want to get vaccinated the solution is not to say this is an acceptable outcome but to redouble efforts to get everyone vaccinated


But again.. just no interest .. it’s a beautiful day

I mean this is like debating some hypothetical

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2021, 09:57:46 am
Not really sure how this will play out with the Passports
We couldn't handle contact tracing, do you think we'll do better with vax passports

Don't you have to get a vax or show you have it to get into some countries already?

Getting into some HIPPA territory too

GQP is going to have a field day that biden is handing out the brown shirts and we'll all start getting in the bread line
even space is equating it to the Nazis
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2021, 10:09:01 am
Should we also discriminate against people who are making bad lifestyle choices (smoking, drinking, fattening foods) that are positively correlated with negative COVID outcomes?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 30, 2021, 10:43:31 am
Should we also discriminate against people who are making bad lifestyle choices (smoking, drinking, fattening foods) that are positively correlated with negative COVID outcomes?

Absolutely, and if it was up to me they'd be last in line for their "turn" at the vaccine. They should never get a vaccine first because they're a smoking fat fuck.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on March 30, 2021, 10:45:30 am
Should we also discriminate against people who are making bad lifestyle choices (smoking, drinking, fattening foods) that are positively correlated with negative COVID outcomes?

Absolutely, and if it was up to me they'd be last in line for their "turn" at the vaccine. They should never get a vaccine first because they're a smoking fat fuck.

Better: Fat fuck who smokes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 30, 2021, 10:46:10 am
Not really sure how this will play out with the Passports
We couldn't handle contact tracing, do you think we'll do better with vax passports

Don't you have to get a vax or show you have it to get into some countries already?

Getting into some HIPPA territory too

GQP is going to have a field day that biden is handing out the brown shirts and we'll all start getting in the bread line
even space is equating it to the Nazis
Someone voluntarily sharing their health information to receive access to private property is not a HIPAA violation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 11:12:41 am
There is a difference between making a choice that affects one’s own health adversely and making a choice that potentially affects everyone adversely.

Surely the rights of the individual must be balanced against the rights of the community.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2021, 11:19:17 am
There is a difference between making a choice that affects one’s own health adversely and making a choice that potentially affects everyone adversely.

Surely the rights of the individual must be balanced against the rights of the community.

As an unvaccinated person, have you been making the right choice to have your groceries delivered rather than potentially endangering grocery store workers for the last 12+ months?

When the pandemic ends, and case rates are very low, what are the odds of an unvaccinated person:
a. having COVID to begin with and,
b. passing it on to a vaccinated person?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2021, 11:21:52 am
Getting into some HIPPA territory too
Someone voluntarily sharing their health information to receive access to private property is not a HIPAA violation.
well, but the issue is the people handling this health info are not medical professionals and unaware of HIPPA
Will the person at the door be liable for a HIPPA violation if they reveal "Hutch just came to cheesecake factory was declined because his passport said he wasn't vaxed"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 11:25:38 am
Balance is important

Seeing the “gray”...

These arguments of the “Neil Young says he cares about the environment but took a plane once so he is as bad as Exxon Mobil” sort are just beneath you

If I was in charge I would like to see the federal government pay people to get vaccinated

People would stop arguing these stupidities and run to get vaccinated

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 11:26:36 am
Cheesecake Factory


God I hate that place
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 30, 2021, 11:28:07 am
Cheesecake Factory


God I hate that place

2021 how is going
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 11:30:12 am
Mrs Hutch has taken me there a few times but I think it’s been 10-15 years


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 11:34:55 am
These chain restaurants are horrible


Carrabas for example

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 11:38:50 am
Or if “paying” people is controversial just give people a tax credit

Make it worth people’s time to do the right thing

We do this all the time..not even sure why this should be controversial
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 30, 2021, 11:39:53 am
https://wtop.com/local/2021/03/dc-area-universities-consider-requiring-students-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-before-fall/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2021, 11:50:00 am
https://wtop.com/local/2021/03/dc-area-universities-consider-requiring-students-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-before-fall/
was wondering when we'd see news like this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2021, 01:06:22 pm
GQP is going to have a field day that biden is handing out the brown shirts and we'll all start getting in the bread line
even space is equating it to the Nazis

Marjorie Taylor Greene says that a vaccine passport is "Biden's Mark of the Beast" and that any company the requires one is engaging in "corporate communism."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 30, 2021, 05:23:13 pm
Getting into some HIPPA territory too
Someone voluntarily sharing their health information to receive access to private property is not a HIPAA violation.
well, but the issue is the people handling this health info are not medical professionals and unaware of HIPPA
Will the person at the door be liable for a HIPPA violation if they reveal "Hutch just came to cheesecake factory was declined because his passport said he wasn't vaxed"
Them not being medical professionals is why HIPAA is not in play. Not everyone is constrained by HIPAA. Literally only 1% of the population is: doctors and employees of medical facilities. The worker at Cheesecake Factory is not beholden to HIPAA. If you don’t work in health care, you also are not beholden to HIPAA: you announcing loudly that your wife has a headache in public (while perhaps deleterious to your relationship) is not an actionable violation of HIPAA.

How do people not know this?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 30, 2021, 05:32:18 pm
Q:
How do people not know this?
A:
Literally only 1% of the population is  beholden to HIPAA
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 30, 2021, 06:06:07 pm
You can look up anyone you know in New York State and see if they’ve been vaccinated. All you need is their name, date of birth, and zip code.

https://epass.ny.gov/identity

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 30, 2021, 07:10:18 pm
So you want me to look someone up?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 30, 2021, 10:10:33 pm
#turn

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNDzFc_p1NY/?igshid=1u63fb26ol0a2
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 31, 2021, 09:09:59 am
Look at you Yada! LOL


Most people have or are waiting their turn... but we are transitioning - in many places- to the stage where everyone is eligible


What you have with DC is a particular situation that makes it so more people than in most states as a percentage are going to try to get vaccinated quicker... you have a city surrounded by two states doing a comparatively better job

As far as I can tell it’s actually going really well if you think about it..with most waiting their turn.. its a country with 330 million people and 51 different jurisdictions overseeing vaccination


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 31, 2021, 09:25:13 am
Look at you Yada! LOL


Most people have or are waiting their turn... but we are transitioning - in many places- to the stage where everyone is eligible


What you have with DC is a particular situation that makes it so more people than in most states as a percentage are going to try to get vaccinated quicker... you have a city surrounded by two states doing a comparatively better job

As far as I can tell it’s actually going really well if you think about it..with most waiting their turn.. its a country with 330 million people and 51 different jurisdictions overseeing vaccination

and I quote, "about 10 percent of DC’s population is fully inoculated against Covid-19."

That's a god awful stat right there for a city with under a million people of mostly libs that would want a vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 31, 2021, 09:28:09 am
Yup DC dropped the ball


Not sure why


Bowser seemed to be doing a good job.. but not anymore
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 31, 2021, 10:46:53 am
Oh I can explain why: DC is hyper-focused on being equitable. Virginia has like two main pools of vaccines (health department ones and pharmacy ones) and a few niche ones for health care workers and long term care residents. DC is taking most doses and putting it into health department and then have these giant rolling qualifications for groups that differs on a zip code level in hopes of equitable rolling out vaxes among intersection groups.

And that's a super amazing goal and idea; however, its super difficult to put into practice. Basically, the states/districts that had these super complicated rollout plans in the name of equity -- e.g Cali, NY, DC -- struggled mightily. Those who made the simplest systems possible (e.g. "this week is 70+ ... next week is 68+ ... two weeks from now is 66+") -- see New Mexico or West Virginia -- are outpacing the nation on vaccination precentage.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 31, 2021, 10:55:27 am
  see New Mexico or West Virginia -- are outpacing the nation on vaccination precentage.

My assumption is demand is lower in these areas as well, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 31, 2021, 11:22:54 am
  see New Mexico or West Virginia -- are outpacing the nation on vaccination precentage.

My assumption is demand is lower in these areas as well, right?
WV maybe that is the case but NM just voted blue so they're not a ton of vax denying hippies. If vaccine hesitancy led to higher percentage of populations getting vaccinated more quickly, that trend should follow in the deep south and it really isn't.

WV and NM had super easy to execute rollout plans and good communication around who was eligible when because, again, it was super easy to understand. I might more align with the more thoughtful equitable plans like DCs but I think we're seeing, a more complicated plan (1) is harder to execute with no experience in mass vaccinations and (2) leads to otherwise well-informed people not even understanding if they're able to get vaccinated now and how/where they would accomplish that. (The federal pharmacy partnership program is actually a super success in helping every state with this.) There's something to be said for "keep it simple stupid."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 31, 2021, 11:25:18 am
  see New Mexico or West Virginia -- are outpacing the nation on vaccination precentage.

My assumption is demand is lower in these areas as well, right?
WV maybe that is the case but NM just voted blue so they're not a ton of vax denying hippies. If vaccine hesitancy led to higher percentage of populations getting vaccinated more quickly, that trend should follow in the deep south and it really isn't.

WV and NM had super easy to execute rollout plans and good communication around who was eligible when because, again, it was super easy to understand. I might more align with the more thoughtful equitable plans like DCs but I think we're seeing, a more complicated plan (1) is harder to execute with no experience in mass vaccinations and (2) leads to otherwise well-informed people not even understanding if they're able to get vaccinated now and how/where they would accomplish that. (The federal pharmacy partnership program is actually a super success in helping every state with this.) There's something to be said for "keep it simple stupid."

Preach, son!

I agree... Assuming native Americans (blue or not) aren't big on getting vaxxed either, but I could be wrong...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on March 31, 2021, 11:36:11 am
Agree thank Jesus for the pharmacies...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 31, 2021, 11:36:34 am
Assuming native Americans (blue or not) aren't big on getting vaxxed either, but I could be wrong...
That's a potentially fair point.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 31, 2021, 10:08:37 pm
https://www.axios.com/emergent-biosolutions-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-dfd781a8-d007-4354-910a-e30d5007839b.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 01, 2021, 07:26:44 pm

NM just voted blue so they're not a ton of vax denying hippies.

This tells me you've never been to Taos, Santa Fe or some of the suburbs of Albuquerque.  Makes even San Francisco look downright normal by comparison.

 

WV and NM had super easy to execute rollout plans and good communication around who was eligible when because, again, it was super easy to understand. I might more align with the more thoughtful equitable plans like DCs but I think we're seeing, a more complicated plan (1) is harder to execute with no experience in mass vaccinations and (2) leads to otherwise well-informed people not even understanding if they're able to get vaccinated now and how/where they would accomplish that. (The federal pharmacy partnership program is actually a super success in helping every state with this.) There's something to be said for "keep it simple stupid."

While I believe some of your narrative is true, supply is by far the biggest impediment in CA.  Sure, New Mexico is getting their shots out very well, West Virginia is behind CA and NY when it comes to the % percentage of shots they've doled out, which is shocking when you consider the scale of the other two states:

2. New Mexico
Doses distributed to state: 1,442,775
Doses administered: 1,258,002
Percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered: 87.19

28. New York
Doses distributed to state: 11,913,695
Doses administered: 9,261,975
Percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered: 77.74

31. California
Doses distributed to state: 23,660,110   
Doses administered: 18,223,412
Percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered: 77.02

32. West Virginia
Doses distributed to state: 1,136,405
Doses administered: 874,459
Percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered: 76.95

39. District of Columbia
Doses distributed to state: 514,945
Doses administered: 374,297
Percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered: 72.69

States ranked by percentage of COVID-19 vaccines administered: April 1 (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 05, 2021, 10:31:01 am
I'm sure some data/numbers master can pull this data and find it much quicker than me... but wow.

Basically out of the DMV area (minus a few tiny road trips to PA/local beaches) for the first time in over a year and no one gives a shit about Covid in Arizona. No one... Everything is open, masks are optional at best...

Maybe it's the nice weather???? Maybe it's the overwhelming Trump support??? Maybe it's people that just don't give a fuck.... but who's got my stats on places like this in terms of covid rates vs. lock down societies like where we live and what the % differences are in terms of cases, rates per capita, mortality, etc? Space? Brennser?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 05, 2021, 10:33:16 am
Arizona did horrible!!!


And partly because of that Biden beat Trump there...

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 05, 2021, 10:37:54 am
Arizona 2334/ million dead
Maryland 1383/million dead
Virginia 1214/million dead



So about twice as bad

And that’s even with their head start advantage.. DMV was naturally screwed due to proximity and contact with NYC

Arizona had many months to get ready and did nothing and got hit hard


So tired - not saying you/ with people saying lockdown was useless
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 05, 2021, 10:43:44 am
Arizona 2334/ million dead
Maryland 1383/million dead
Virginia 1214/million dead



So about twice as bad

And that’s even with their head start advantage.. DMV was naturally screwed due to proximity and contact with NYC

Arizona had many months to get ready and did nothing and got hit hard


So tired - not saying you/ with people saying lockdown was useless

Thanks for the quick pull of data!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 05, 2021, 10:44:42 am
Easier to understand

1 in 824 Virginians died from covid so far


1 in 723 Marylanders died from covid so far

1 in 428 Arizonans died from covid so far
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 05, 2021, 10:49:42 am
Marijuana is fully legal here though!! I knew it passed, but didn't realize it recreational was now sold everywhere. It's no Takoma Wellness, but can't complain.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 05, 2021, 01:10:39 pm
I think this is a great idea to track post jab...but will likely get poor adoption
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vsafe.html
V-safe is a smartphone-based tool that uses text messaging and web surveys to provide personalized health check-ins after you receive a COVID-19 vaccine. Through v-safe, you can quickly tell CDC if you have any side effects after getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Depending on your answers to the web surveys, someone from CDC may call to check on you and get more information. V-safe will also remind you to get your second COVID-19 vaccine dose if you need one.



In related news, 1 million in Virginia
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/03/10/virginias-coronavirus-tracking-app-reaches-one-million-downloads/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 05, 2021, 02:45:05 pm
Current Covid rates in Arizona are less than half of what they are in Va.

Also AZ went blue by a slim margin and has two blue senators.

What are you doing in AZ?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 05, 2021, 02:46:39 pm
Current Covid rates in Arizona are less than half of what they are in Va.

Also AZ went blue by a slim margin and has two blue senators.

What are you doing in AZ?

interesting!

My partner in life is from here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 05, 2021, 03:00:16 pm
Current Covid rates in Arizona are less than half of what they are in Va.

Also AZ went blue by a slim margin and has two blue senators.

What are you doing in AZ?

interesting!

My partner in life is from here.

Cool! Thinking of going there next year to hike the Grand Canyon again.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 05, 2021, 03:26:05 pm
Current Covid rates in Arizona are less than half of what they are in Va.

Also AZ went blue by a slim margin and has two blue senators.

What are you doing in AZ?

interesting!

My partner in life is from here.

Cool! Thinking of going there next year to hike the Grand Canyon again.

I've grown to really like it out here over the years...and if her family wasn't so insane, we'd probably consider moving here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 05, 2021, 03:28:31 pm
At this point how you handle covid isn’t as critical (assuming there isn’t a new variant that vaccines don’t immunize against)


The US had 280 or so deaths yesterday

That is the lowest amount in over a year

Arizona blew it. They had a performance that rivals the worst performing country in the world. And they had a substantial advantage over NY, NJ, PA and many other states that were hit hard early when doctors knew much less on how to treat, infrastructure wasn’t ready, there was still controversy over masking etc

Basically life is cheap in some parts of the country





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2021, 12:43:59 pm
not sure why it took so long for people to come up with cash-grab things on the masks, but Will.I.Am is throwing his hat in

https://www.axios.com/smart-mask-will-i-am-6f45c2a5-04f2-4309-b7a9-7559811013dc.html
(https://images.axios.com/QLwB5a29OhHIZjP3_M1B0Sbmzt0=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2021/04/06/1617714721767.jpg)
 The "Xupermask" (pronounced super mask) comes with Honeywell's HEPA ventilation filters — designed for consumer, not medical, use. It has bluetooth connectivity and comes with an earbud docking system.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 06, 2021, 12:47:12 pm
Fuck I’m buying two of those.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 06, 2021, 06:48:50 pm
https://twitter.com/k8cumber/status/1379204558350655488?s=19

Wait yo turn biatches!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 06, 2021, 09:28:42 pm
Was able to get an appointment for my partner person lady for vax at M&T Stadium by calling:  410-779-9507.

Called just now, made appointment for Saturday morning. Easy. All adults are eligible.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on April 06, 2021, 09:48:32 pm
Nice!!

Was able to get an appointment for my partner person lady for vax at M&T Stadium by calling:  410-779-9507.

Called just now, made appointment for Saturday morning. Easy. All adults are eligible.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Got Haggis? on April 07, 2021, 09:54:57 am
i got my 2nd shot last week through work.  had a slightly sore arm (nowhere near as sore as when I got the flu shot) from the first shot and slightly less sore from the 2nd (pfizer) - a very very very low grade fever (98.8) fever for a few hours the night after the 2nd and felt a bit tired, but that was it as far as side effects go.   I have quite enjoyed working from home, not super looking forward to having to go back into work in 2 months.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 07, 2021, 02:22:14 pm
in case anyone is getting all smug thinking that the latest wave is a red state-only problem:

Just five states have accounted for about 43% of new coronavirus cases over the last week, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

New York, Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania and New Jersey had more than 196,400 of the country's 453,360 cases reported in the last week, according to data available Wednesday morning.


Those states are home to just 22% of the US population, according to estimates from the US Census Bureau.



continued: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/07/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 08, 2021, 06:53:03 pm
Pfizer 1 this morning!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 08, 2021, 06:54:57 pm
BOOM!


Nice
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 09, 2021, 02:40:41 pm
Shot #2 2+ hours ago. No side effects so far. Did a five mile run before going for the shot. That, and lack of sleep, are probably the reason I'm tired, not the shot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 09, 2021, 02:53:02 pm
That’s great... I got to wait til May 1

We are lucky in the US to have access to vaccines..privileged


In Argentina at this point they are only vaccinating 75 and up and with the Chinese and Russian vaccines
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2021, 02:54:35 pm
I’ve been thinking about getting a J&J on top of my Moderna. I’d be interested in throwing a Sputnik on there too.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 09, 2021, 02:54:49 pm
^^ This is how vaccine passports work, yeah?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 09, 2021, 11:58:17 pm
my BiL and SiL got moderna #2 earlier today, and they're suffering.  MiL went to visit and said they were both zombies on the couch and my BiL had an egg at the injection site on his arm.

on the other hand, a 70+ year old online acquaintance got his second moderna last week and said he felt nothing.  i'll be sure to hold that over my in-laws' heads, once they recoup (they're in their 30's).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 10, 2021, 12:00:53 am
^^ This is how vaccine passports work, yeah?

it isn't, but i was wondering: once everyone had had a crack at getting a vax, is there is any benefit to getting a different type of vaccine.  moderna and pfizer are both mrna vaccines so no point on doubling up there, but the J&J is a different mechanism so i wonder if that would give you additional immunity.  but given how effective all the vaccines are, it's probably just wasteful and pointless.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 10, 2021, 12:07:18 am
^^ This is how vaccine passports work, yeah?

it isn't, but i was wondering: once everyone had had a crack at getting a vax, is there is any benefit to getting a different type of vaccine.  moderna and pfizer are both mrna vaccines so no point on doubling up there, but the J&J is a different mechanism so i wonder if that would give you additional immunity.  but given how effective all the vaccines are, it's probably just wasteful and pointless.
Dude, I’m TOTALLY going in and pretending I haven’t been vaccinated yet and getting my third moderna shot somewhere around August 1st. (Or Pfizer, to your point.) I’m going to be even more ahead on a booster than I was on my initial. #3DChess
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 10, 2021, 07:18:38 am
I’ve been snorting hydroxychloroquine going on a year now... will that count on my passport
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 10, 2021, 09:57:55 am
I’ve been snorting hydroxychloroquine going on a year now... will that count on my passport
Thats on your Alabama Visa.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 10, 2021, 10:10:58 am
my BiL and SiL got moderna #2 earlier today, and they're suffering.  MiL went to visit and said they were both zombies on the couch and my BiL had an egg at the injection site on his arm.

on the other hand, a 70+ year old online acquaintance got his second moderna last week and said he felt nothing.  i'll be sure to hold that over my in-laws' heads, once they recoup (they're in their 30's).

There's a reason for all that.

I had a 102 degree fever and slept for 21 hours the day after Pfizer #2.  I'm nearly done my 14 day incubation period. What a relief of sorts.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 10, 2021, 10:26:47 am
I'm 23 hours into Pfizer #2 and getting ready to go for a two hour bike ride.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 10, 2021, 11:28:59 am
I'm 23 hours into Pfizer #2 and getting ready to go for a two hour bike ride.

I'm 21 hours into the same and only slightly more fatigued than usual (at 57). Haven't cancelled my 5pm gym slot (yet).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 12:00:35 pm
Everything turns into a dick size contest in the end
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 10, 2021, 12:30:48 pm


on the other hand, a 70+ year old online acquaintance

got any nudes?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 10, 2021, 12:44:56 pm
Everything turns into a dick size contest in the end

My dick size is pretty average. I've been told it's a perfect "husband dick."

I was commenting on my (lack of) vaccine reaction not as a boast, but as a statement of good fortune.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 12:51:42 pm
Funny but I didn’t see anything in your comment about your good luck or fortune




Was one to read that imaginary comment in there?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 10, 2021, 12:52:27 pm
Everything turns into a dick size contest in the end

How do we measure dicks in this case?  I got sick allegedly because my immune system responded to the shot.  Scientists - to my knowledge - don't really know why others close-ish to my age do not. It may or may not be a good thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 01:00:22 pm
True that but when many people really suffer the shot I think it’s kind of poor form to be like hey look at me after my shot I climbed Mt Everest and then another guy comes in and goes well great but I am climbing Mt Everest and running a marathon

That seems self centered and un empathetic

But that’s just me... 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 01:05:36 pm
I mean what the fuck after just my first shot of moderna I was exhausted and slept like shit..then my arm was the most sore like ever..and that’s the first!


But hey I am happy for the Mt Everest climbers ... is that what I should say? Happy for your good fortune?

Well that really isn’t human nature..

More like hey fucker don’t rub your good fortune on my face

I mean that’s what Mark Twain would say and I think he has it right on the nose

Of course there is the possibility some of the Mt Everest climbers are too stupid to realize their poor form but then maybe my brutal honesty will give them pause in the future..doubtful cause it’s human nature to want to feel like your shit don’t stink..so likely the Mt Everest climbers will feel aggrieved not reflective
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 10, 2021, 01:32:57 pm
Hutch, let me know if you need some black market sedatives.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 02:06:33 pm
Like what?

I try not to take anything.. they all mess you up

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 02:23:30 pm
I could probably use a joint though...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 02:59:51 pm
Send me a j.. it has been almost a year


Apparently posting my address is foolish so pm me for it

Thanks in advance.. I will get you back
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 10, 2021, 03:06:52 pm
You fool.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 03:09:04 pm
Why? Am I going to get another porn subscription from you?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 10, 2021, 03:11:30 pm
Why? Am I going to get another porn subscription from you?
Really low quality weed, sometime in the immediate aftermath of 7/1.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 03:12:59 pm
I am the king of low quality weed...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 10, 2021, 03:16:52 pm
I mean what the fuck after just my first shot of moderna I was exhausted and slept like shit..then my arm was the most sore like ever..and that’s the first!


But hey I am happy for the Mt Everest climbers ... is that what I should say? Happy for your good fortune?

Well that really isn’t human nature..

More like hey fucker don’t rub your good fortune on my face

I mean that’s what Mark Twain would say and I think he has it right on the nose

Of course there is the possibility some of the Mt Everest climbers are too stupid to realize their poor form but then maybe my brutal honesty will give them pause in the future..doubtful cause it’s human nature to want to feel like your shit don’t stink..so likely the Mt Everest climbers will feel aggrieved not reflective

Jeez, chill out man. This is all just anecdotal. Lots of stories about younger people being knocked for a loop by #2 while us older folk just go on our merry ways.

If it makes you feel any better, I cancelled my 5pm gym.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 03:37:38 pm
Yeah i feel better


Thanks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 10, 2021, 06:32:54 pm
My poor mom in Argentina is all paranoid and pessimistic about having gotten the Chinese sinopharm vaccine which she thinks sucks and when if ever she can get the second dose

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 10, 2021, 08:15:56 pm
And my unvaccinated mom is pissed that they kicked her out of the natural foods store for refusing to wear her mask over her nose (she says she can't breathe with it covering her nose.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 10, 2021, 08:23:51 pm
My obese 51 year old sister in law (brothers wife), who has weakened lungs from some other illness she has, is refusing to get the vaccine out of fear of the side effects.

My brother, with a BMI under 25, got his first Pfizer shot with no side effects.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 10, 2021, 10:04:17 pm
And my unvaccinated mom is pissed that they kicked her out of the natural foods store for refusing to wear her mask over her nose (she says she can't breathe with it covering her nose.)

https://instagram.com/crazykarens (https://instagram.com/crazykarens?igshid=126ugpvm6veau)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 11, 2021, 01:26:31 pm
Tough one today as I summited Everest again. Next Sunday I'm bringing supplemental oxygen and none of y'all putting me down for it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 11, 2021, 02:31:58 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNiFKfPJYzM/?igshid=1rzol0gx04ujd

Wait your turn!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 11, 2021, 03:10:12 pm


https://www.timesofisrael.com/real-world-israeli-data-shows-south-african-variant-better-at-bypassing-vaccine/

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 11, 2021, 09:18:58 pm
Oh, great!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 11, 2021, 11:41:47 pm
My poor mom in Argentina is all paranoid and pessimistic about having gotten the Chinese sinopharm vaccine which she thinks sucks and when if ever she can get the second dose

ugh, hutch, your mom may be correct in doubting the chinese vaccine:

China admits its vaccines aren't very good (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/11/china-covid-vaccines-480802)
Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control.


this is terrible news.  china has been on a "vaccine diplomacy" kick, dangling its (crappy) vaccine as a carrot to curry favor with developing countries.  who knows what sort of backroom deals they brokered in exchange for access to their vaccine... what a bad deal for the recipients.  and so many countries are dependent on a cheap chinese vaccine in order to vaccinate their populations.  this is a global tragedy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 11, 2021, 11:51:19 pm
Yeah I saw that..my mom saw it..not good




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 12, 2021, 12:11:04 am
yo smax: please keep that mask on high and tight

Researchers identify five new cases of ‘double mutant’ Covid variant in California (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/08/researchers-identify-five-new-cases-of-double-mutant-covid-variant-in-california-.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 12, 2021, 11:27:02 am
People on Facebook gleefully posting a pic of their vaccination card crack me up


Some even go “one and done” (I guess people getting J & J)


Do these people not realize we are likely to needvax shots for the rest of our lives?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2021, 03:35:48 pm
People on Facebook gleefully posting a pic of their vaccination card crack me up
yeah, I think if you were early, was something to brag about
I guess they feel like they are doing some good?
after a year of lockdown it makes them see their path to freedom?!
but I'd almost rather see pics of their sad desk lunch

I'm not a huge fan of the passport thing, as it's a slippery slope on the sharing your medical info with private companies ....where does it go from here
what if the anthem says...well says here you have high blood pressure, not sure I am going to admit you on the possibility you might have a heart attack moshing to 5 seconds of summer

I don't have a solution, but I'm just not a fan of sharing my medical info with anyone but my family and my Dr
and sadly the main reason I'll get the 'passport' is so I can see live music again

Do these people not realize we are likely to needvax shots for the rest of our lives?
This makes me very depressed and I hope this is not the case...but know it's a possiblity
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2021, 04:19:25 pm
Vaccine passports are already happening in New York State.

https://epass.ny.gov/home
Not getting the greatest reviews
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/08/vaccine-passport-new-york-excelsior-pass/

Testing Excelsior Pass, what surprised me most was how easy it is to fake.
Albert Fox Cahn, executive director of the nonprofit Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, told me he was able to load up a volunteer’s Excelsior Pass in about 11 minutes, using nothing more than that person’s Twitter posts and information from publicly available websites. Posting a photo of your CDC vaccination card puts it all out there.

I fear vaccine passports could become something akin to the TSA PreCheck security lines at airports: A system that works to speed up life for the savvy or wealthy, yet literally leaves everyone else in the slow lane.



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 12, 2021, 04:21:35 pm
A system that works to speed up life for the savvy or wealthy, yet literally leaves everyone else in the slow lane.
Keep talking, I'm almost there. Guuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh.h.h.h.h.h...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 12, 2021, 07:27:00 pm
^ OBPOTW (ON-BRAND POST OF THE WEEK)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 12, 2021, 10:24:08 pm
So why do people have an issue w vaccine passports in order to travel / attend a concert but they don't have an issue w their kids being vaccinated to attend school or getting a drivers license to drive a car? Genuine question because its one and the same to me

As for your medical info, I hate to break it to you guys but your (anonymized (sort of)) medical info is being bought and sold all day every day. I'd be far more worried about your employer telling you to lose weight or stop smoking than the Anthem and your employer has all that info assuming you get health care coverage from your employer.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2021, 12:38:07 am
I don’t know why anyone would have an issue with vaccine passports other than paranoia but I see it as an unrealistic hypothetical...I don’t think it’s happening

From IMP’s perspective I kind of think this is the last thing they might want.. let’s imagine the nightmare of 6000 people showing up to a jam band show at the Anthem. That IS a nightmare enough. Now on top of having two hours to scan tickets, security check, etc let’s throw in a vaccine passport check for thousands of stoned drunks... can you imagine? I don’t see it as doable...you would need to spend more money on staff..lines would move slower

From my perspective as a former lowly staff member the idea of interacting with 6000 people - some of whom during a typical concert will get blitzed, aggressive etc is not very appealing if they may have covid cause nobody really knows cause no vaccine passports..I hear you if you say but hey you got the vaccine.. but so what? There are new variants all the time...you can maybe pass it on - to say your kids- even if immunized yourself...the vaccine isn’t 100% effective etc...there are shows where regardless of how friendly you are patrons will virtually spit in your face.. they are not thinking clearly..alcohol makes some very angry..they think having bought a ticket entitles them to be jerks...they get very drunk.. I have been a patron hundreds of times and sometimes gotten very drunk and once in a while not been the most pleasant chap.. I get it..having said that most patrons are cool... also remember most staff you come into contact with at a show at a venue are probably making minimum wage!

Everyone wants concerts to come back..most staff in particular...but it has to be safe and complicated issues are involved..I am sure the higher ups at venues everywhere are giving it thought
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 13, 2021, 07:27:18 am
While initially keen on the idea, I don’t see what anyone gets out of carrying one. You’ve vaccinated yourself but does that mean you can’t be a carrier and spreader? Not sure about that.

As far as the club goes, I’d presume it’s just another scan at the door. No biggie.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 07:33:15 am
 the FDA and CDC are recommending a pause in the use of the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

“Six reported U.S. cases of a rare and severe type of blood clot" from 6.8M+ doses administered.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2021, 08:16:18 am
the FDA and CDC are recommending a pause in the use of the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

“Six reported U.S. cases of a rare and severe type of blood clot" from 6.8M+ doses administered.
This is the opposite of following the science. Tens of thousands will die because of this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 13, 2021, 08:19:39 am
the FDA and CDC are recommending a pause in the use of the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

“Six reported U.S. cases of a rare and severe type of blood clot" from 6.8M+ doses administered.
This is the opposite of following the science. Tens of thousands will die because of this.

Agree - this is preposterous
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2021, 08:24:15 am
Does seem crazy but it seems the new trend is if just a few people have a problem reaction they pull it


Also just by publicizing this it will add to many people’s vaccine hesitancy
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 13, 2021, 08:29:09 am
Does seem crazy but it seems the new trend is if just a few people have a problem reaction they pull it


Also just by publicizing this it will add to many people’s vaccine hesitancy

100% - I'm baffled - this just made the path to herd immunity so much harder
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2021, 08:29:32 am
Also just by publicizing this it will add to many people’s vaccine hesitancy
Ding, ding, ding!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2021, 08:32:39 am
The "birth control pill" has a stated side-effect of bloodclots that is 300-1000x more likely than the - literally - "one in a million" incidence with J&J. The anti-lock breaking systems sold on every car in America have a higher fatal failure rate than this vaccine. This is staggering stupidity.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 09:02:10 am
I think JnJ should use the GnR tune as their theme song for the ad
but 6 out of 6 million is such a low stat.  I bet you ten times that much died driving to the appoinment
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2021, 09:09:10 am
I think JnJ should use the GnR tune as their theme song for the ad
but 6 out of 6 million is such a low stat.  I bet you ten times that much died driving to the appoinment

There's a data table for everything.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1/tables/3

Now where's my Arlo Pork tickets?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 09:15:26 am
seems like it it safer to drive in England. and Americans over 85 should avoid cars

although not the same stat of those driving to their appointment vs who died of bloodclot...but nice try

So is that saying that if you are 85, that if you catch Covid, you have almost a 1 in 3 chance of dying?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2021, 09:16:34 am
So is that saying that if you are 85, that if you catch Covid, you have almost a 1 in 3 chance of dying?
Uh, yes. Did you not know this? It was closer to 50% in the early days of this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 09:19:49 am

Now where's my Arlo Pork tickets?
Be careful as the link for the DC date from her website actually takes you to the Mercy Lounge date
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2021, 09:20:48 am

Now where's my Arlo Pork tickets?
Be careful as the link for the DC date from her website actually takes you to the Mercy Lounge date
You know the code, my man?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2021, 09:21:10 am
So is that saying that if you are 85, that if you catch Covid, you have almost a 1 in 3 chance of dying?
Uh, yes. Did you not know this? It was closer to 50% in the early days of this.

This is why i want to kill my 80 year old mom who refused to get vaccinated (and wear a mask properly.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 09:22:42 am
So is that saying that if you are 85, that if you catch Covid, you have almost a 1 in 3 chance of dying?
Uh, yes. Did you not know this? It was closer to 50% in the early days of this.
wasn't following that close, don't remember seeing that stat before
I knew that group was impacted the most

I did read that if you are 85, you have a 1 in 6 chance of dying...before covid.  Wonder what that stat will look like next year
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2021, 09:26:02 am

Now where's my Arlo Pork tickets?
Be careful as the link for the DC date from her website actually takes you to the Mercy Lounge date
You know the code, my man?
NVM, its one of the two main words in the album title as everyone's presale codes always are.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2021, 09:28:49 am
So is that saying that if you are 85, that if you catch Covid, you have almost a 1 in 3 chance of dying?
Uh, yes. Did you not know this? It was closer to 50% in the early days of this.
wasn't following that close, don't remember seeing that stat before
I knew that group was impacted the most

I did read that if you are 85, you have a 1 in 6 chance of dying...before covid.  Wonder what that stat will look like next year

If you're 85, your chances of dying are 1 in 1. Unless you're talking about your chances of making it to 86? 90?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 13, 2021, 09:50:04 am
https://twitter.com/YFeyman/status/1381951151235592193
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 10:00:56 am

Now where's my Arlo Pork tickets?
Be careful as the link for the DC date from her website actually takes you to the Mercy Lounge date
You know the code, my man?
NVM, its one of the two main words in the album title as everyone's presale codes always are.

So code seems to work, but is presale going on via the Union Stage site?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2021, 10:06:15 am

Now where's my Arlo Pork tickets?
Be careful as the link for the DC date from her website actually takes you to the Mercy Lounge date
You know the code, my man?
NVM, its one of the two main words in the album title as everyone's presale codes always are.

So code seems to work, but is presale going on via the Union Stage site?

Neither Collapsed nor Sunbeams works for me. And link goes to October 24 show.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2021, 10:07:02 am
I don’t see any presale going on..no pw works and site says not on sale


I saw that a place in Portland is doing their presale Thursday and they are using a different presale code


Really a complete lack of information

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 10:08:16 am
ok, so this isn't just my lack of talent in procuring tix

just got her email w/code and link is still to mercy lounge in Nashville
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2021, 10:10:04 am
Ten minutes I will never get back
Thanks Arlo Pork
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2021, 10:11:02 am
Working now on US site with sunbeams

Just got 4 tables seats
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 10:12:21 am
Working now on US site with sunbeams
what does that mean (not the code part the US site part)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 13, 2021, 10:12:33 am
Working now on US site with sunbeams
what does that mean (not the code part the US site part)
Union Stage
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 13, 2021, 10:15:16 am
Worked


Arlo Pork sent pw to me at 10:06
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 13, 2021, 10:15:25 am
excellent ...Union stage/sunbeams....tix purchased!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 14, 2021, 01:11:17 pm
Vaccinations required for Burning Man this year... LOL.

Possibly testing before even attending.

Sorry hutch and space.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 14, 2021, 01:16:10 pm
The Boston Marathon takes an alternate route:

Participants in the in-person race may be expected to produce up to two negative COVID-19 tests prior to Monday, October 11, regardless of vaccination status, in order to mitigate spread to participants and community members.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2021, 01:23:43 pm
I'm fully vaccinated but don't want the hassle of getting a test (is it easier now that it was last summer when i got one to visit Maine?)

I guess I'll do Burning Man and skip the Boston Marathon.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 14, 2021, 01:33:14 pm
I'm fully vaccinated but don't want the hassle of getting a test (is it easier now that it was last summer when i got one to visit Maine?)

I guess I'll do Burning Man and skip the Boston Marathon.

Are you willing to show proof of your vaccine though?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2021, 01:50:23 pm
I'm fully vaccinated but don't want the hassle of getting a test (is it easier now that it was last summer when i got one to visit Maine?)

I guess I'll do Burning Man and skip the Boston Marathon.

Are you willing to show proof of your vaccine though?

I would be less inclined to attend an event that had such a requirement, but if it is required and i did decide to attend, of course I would be willing.

I have never been to Burning Man, but isn't it outdoors? Don't participants have the option to be at least six feet away from other burning men? It seems like vaccination requirements and testing is major overkill.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 14, 2021, 02:23:50 pm
I'm fully vaccinated but don't want the hassle of getting a test (is it easier now that it was last summer when i got one to visit Maine?)

I guess I'll do Burning Man and skip the Boston Marathon.

Are you willing to show proof of your vaccine though?

I would be less inclined to attend an event that had such a requirement, but if it is required and i did decide to attend, of course I would be willing.

I have never been to Burning Man, but isn't it outdoors? Don't participants have the option to be at least six feet away from other burning men? It seems like vaccination requirements and testing is major overkill.

From what I know it's a drug fueled sex orgy, so unless you have very large genitalia, I don't know how you're six feet apart from anyone.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 14, 2021, 02:26:19 pm
I'm fully vaccinated but don't want the hassle of getting a test (is it easier now that it was last summer when i got one to visit Maine?)

I guess I'll do Burning Man and skip the Boston Marathon.

Are you willing to show proof of your vaccine though?

I would be less inclined to attend an event that had such a requirement, but if it is required and i did decide to attend, of course I would be willing.

I have never been to Burning Man, but isn't it outdoors? Don't participants have the option to be at least six feet away from other burning men? It seems like vaccination requirements and testing is major overkill.

From what I know it's a drug fueled sex orgy, so unless you have very large genitalia, I don't know how you're six feet apart from anyone.

Have you been?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 14, 2021, 03:28:28 pm
From what I know it's a drug fueled sex orgy, so unless you have very large genitalia, I don't know how you're six feet apart from anyone.
It's about art and building a community from out of the dust of the desert
drugs and sex are just a by-product
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 15, 2021, 02:47:09 pm
What we been saying

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html


Annual vaccine shots like the flu
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 15, 2021, 03:01:30 pm
What we been saying

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html


Annual vaccine shots like the flu

The CEO of Pfizer says we're gonna need boosters. Gee, no conflict of interest there.

Monica Gahndi says we're not going to need boosters.

https://twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1379294379391676417?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 15, 2021, 03:08:22 pm
I fully plan to start a second Moderna program in July just by going to a pharmacy and pretending I haven't been vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 15, 2021, 03:22:07 pm
will you get two rows of horns then?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 16, 2021, 08:04:24 am
What we been saying

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html


Annual vaccine shots like the flu

The CEO of Pfizer says we're gonna need boosters. Gee, no conflict of interest there.

Monica Gahndi says we're not going to need boosters.

https://twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1379294379391676417?s=20

Too early to say which side is right but I do agree with Dr. Gahndi that post vaccination messaging could use an upgrade. Not confident that the general public is smart enough for it, tho.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2021, 12:39:30 pm
The Anthem is getting turned into a temporary vaccinations facility. What boardie will get in unnecessary second vaccinations just to have a CDC stamped Anthem card in their ticket stub collection? Money is on a hutch/Kosmo parlay.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 16, 2021, 12:43:51 pm
If Seth will initial my vaccination card I would be all over that...


I should be working the door yelling out “have your tickets out! No food and beverage allowed inside”

Kind of hurt I wasn’t contacted...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 16, 2021, 01:25:33 pm
There is a 100% chance that Kosmo is reaching out about DJing these inoculations.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2021, 01:34:11 pm
does that mean you are man'ing the Kissing booth?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 16, 2021, 04:17:47 pm
Are they charging folks $25 to park for their vaccinations?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 19, 2021, 08:50:57 am
Preach!


https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/masks-outside-covid-risk-low.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 19, 2021, 09:58:51 am
Preach!


https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/masks-outside-covid-risk-low.html

Are there places that actually require mask wearing while you're walking down the street/sidewalk?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2021, 10:01:46 am
Just got an emergency alert on my phone
Virginians's 16+ are eligible for Covid Vax

Did I need an emergency alert for that?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 19, 2021, 10:50:05 am
Preach!


https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/masks-outside-covid-risk-low.html

Are there places that actually require mask wearing while you're walking down the street/sidewalk?

Giant fields in MoCo.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2021, 11:56:35 am
Boom...finally
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzWR6thVkAoEmIN?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 19, 2021, 11:57:30 am
Boom...finally
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzWR6thVkAoEmIN?format=jpg&name=medium)

Would be much cooler if it was vaccinate at home... Who's testing themselves after getting vaccinated?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2021, 12:13:14 pm
I still think if testing ha much easier, the spread (and deaths) would have been much less...

this is may  on the way
https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/09/scientists-work-toward-an-elusive-dream-a-simple-pill-to-treat-covid-19/

But your MO is the Rain-king...so parades in your vicinity tend to be soggy
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 19, 2021, 12:15:23 pm
Are there places that actually require mask wearing while you're walking down the street/sidewalk?

Most of California, particularly in the north.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 19, 2021, 12:35:59 pm
I still think if testing ha much easier, the spread (and deaths) would have been much less...

this is may  on the way
https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/09/scientists-work-toward-an-elusive-dream-a-simple-pill-to-treat-covid-19/

But your MO is the Rain-king...so parades in your vicinity tend to be soggy

yeah... would've been. That's what I referring to, seems a bit late.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 19, 2021, 12:47:01 pm
Preach!


https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/masks-outside-covid-risk-low.html

Are there places that actually require mask wearing while you're walking down the street/sidewalk?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but DC?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 19, 2021, 12:48:11 pm
Preach!


https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/masks-outside-covid-risk-low.html

Are there places that actually require mask wearing while you're walking down the street/sidewalk?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but DC?

Pretty sure Uncle Glenn is showing his true colors.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 19, 2021, 01:16:44 pm
Preach!


https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/masks-outside-covid-risk-low.html

Are there places that actually require mask wearing while you're walking down the street/sidewalk?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but DC?

Pretty sure Uncle Glenn is showing his true colors.
I don’t live in DC but I’m in town every month for work. Is there not still a “mask when in public places” policy in place? Not trying to be snarky.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 19, 2021, 01:46:47 pm
Preach!


https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/masks-outside-covid-risk-low.html

Are there places that actually require mask wearing while you're walking down the street/sidewalk?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but DC?

Pretty sure Uncle Glenn is showing his true colors.
I don’t live in DC but I’m in town every month for work. Is there not still a “mask when in public places” policy in place? Not trying to be snarky.

I truthfully don't know, but my assumption is yes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 19, 2021, 02:58:49 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CN2nSE8JcgO/?igshid=18jvz8fl7d4h7
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 20, 2021, 04:46:13 pm
I'm thinking these passports are going to be a mess

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzcYg1gXIAMcAoa?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 21, 2021, 08:20:04 am
not surprising people want fake vaccination cards... people are still complaining about having to wear a mask, etc
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 21, 2021, 08:50:30 am
not surprising people want fake vaccination cards... people are still complaining about having to wear a mask, etc

Vaccinated people shouldn't have to wear a mask... That was the point of getting vaccinated.

I think the lib police should focus their anger on the deaths of black people on a daily basis from the hands of former jocks, ex military, etc. vs. complaining about people not wearing a mask on a hiking trail in Rock Creek Park.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 09:01:35 am
Agree

Judging by my Facebook liberals do..


Not sure what you are experienced or where but I am not seeing anyone up in arms about vaccinated people outdoors not wearing masks? Is this a thing in Maryland?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 21, 2021, 09:02:42 am
Agree

Judging by my Facebook liberals do..


Not sure what you are experienced or where but I am not seeing anyone up in arms about vaccinated people outdoors not wearing masks? Is this a thing in Maryland?

I'm pretty sure we've been arguing about this for two weeks, but ok...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 09:19:00 am
Agree

Judging by my Facebook liberals do..


Not sure what you are experienced or where but I am not seeing anyone up in arms about vaccinated people outdoors not wearing masks? Is this a thing in Maryland?

I'm pretty sure we've been arguing about this for two weeks, but ok...

You mean around kids who haven’t been vaccinated? Well that’s a bit different.. there you get into all the parenting issues

But do people come down on someone for taking a walk in Rock Creek sans mask?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 21, 2021, 09:24:26 am
Agree

Judging by my Facebook liberals do..


Not sure what you are experienced or where but I am not seeing anyone up in arms about vaccinated people outdoors not wearing masks? Is this a thing in Maryland?

I'm pretty sure we've been arguing about this for two weeks, but ok...

You mean around kids who haven’t been vaccinated? Well that’s a bit different.. there you get into all the parenting issues

But do people come down on someone for taking a walk in Rock Creek sans mask?

Absolutely. You know the people that freak out as someone runs by jogging, walking, or on a bike and think that Covid is magically going to jump into their nasal passages while outdoors, multiple feet away.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2021, 09:45:27 am
Agree

Judging by my Facebook liberals do..


Not sure what you are experienced or where but I am not seeing anyone up in arms about vaccinated people outdoors not wearing masks? Is this a thing in Maryland?

I'm pretty sure we've Yada has been arguing about this for two weeks, but ok...
FTFY
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 10:28:36 am
Thanks Sidehatch..now I get it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 21, 2021, 10:29:19 am
Agree

Judging by my Facebook liberals do..


Not sure what you are experienced or where but I am not seeing anyone up in arms about vaccinated people outdoors not wearing masks? Is this a thing in Maryland?

I'm pretty sure we've Yada has been arguing about this for two weeks, but ok...
FTFY

Pretty sure it takes two people or more with differing opinions to argue, but thanks for  your feedback sidehutch.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 10:39:26 am
I don’t get you on this Yada

Did you suffer some traumatic event where someone beat the crap out of you for not wearing a mask?


It’s just weird for you to get so worked up about this of all things

We have lost about 1 in 500 Americans.. more than half a million people..at one point over 4000 Americans were dropping dead day after day.. more than September 11... we had a month were more than 100,000 people died.. more than ever in our history from any wars..wars that lasted many years

And you get worked up about some people maybe overreacting? People are doing their best to adjust to a bad situation..nobody knows entirely how covid spreads... what we are told by officials seems to evolve..there is some mixed messaging

Of all the things in the world to get bent about this is your rubicon? People paranoid about their kids not getting covid?

It’s seriously fucked up dude..you need to get psychological help pronto... your posts on this seem to denote a weird un empathetic pathology... like a complete inability to see things from other people’s point of view

people are a bit on edge and overreacting - massive once in a lifetime pandemics will do that- but from that to where you seem to go making fun of people just trying to stay alive is just bizarre
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 21, 2021, 10:40:40 am
I don’t get you on this Yada

Did you suffer some traumatic event where someone beat the crap out of you for not wearing a mask?


It’s just weird for you to get so worked up about this of all things

We have lost about 1 in 500 Americans.. more than half a million people..at one point over 4000 Americans were dropping dead day after day.. more than September 11... we had a month were more than 100,000 people died.. more than ever in our history from any wars..wars that lasted many years

And you get worked up about some people maybe overreacting? People are doing their best to adjust to a bad situation..nobody knows entirely how covid spreads... what we are told by officials seems to evolve..there is some mixed messaging

Of all the things in the world to get bent about this is your rubicon? People paranoid about their kids not getting covid?

It’s seriously fucked up dude..you need to get psychological help pronto... your posts on this seem to denote a weird un empathetic pathology... like a complete inability to see things from other people’s point of view

people are a bit on edge and overreacting - massive once in a lifetime pandemics will do that- but from that to where you seem to go making fun of people just trying to stay alive is just bizarre

hahah are you kidding me hutch? fuck off.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 10:50:36 am
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 10:54:41 am
It’s like just give people time to adapt...if things go well maybe mask wearing will decline..it’s already declining

It’s nothing to get upset about.. you are going to live 80-100 years! You got plenty of time to go to concerts and all

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 21, 2021, 10:56:21 am
Yada is 100% correct on this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 11:00:56 am
Yada may well be although not sure about what specifically

Just don’t see what getting upset accomplishes..

If current trends continue in a few weeks people are going to loosen up

In Arlington we had eleven new cases yesterday and haven’t had deaths in weeks

Why get upset at people taking a little longer to adjust to things?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 11:07:48 am
☮️

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lhol3zIoynE
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 21, 2021, 11:11:09 am
Boom...finally
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzWR6thVkAoEmIN?format=jpg&name=medium)

Would be much cooler if it was vaccinate at home... Who's testing themselves after getting vaccinated?

I'd like to have a few of these tests lying around to use on my 15 year old until he gets vaccinated
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 21, 2021, 11:11:48 am
Yada is 100% correct on this.

Julian is 100% correct that Yada is 100% correct on this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 21, 2021, 11:20:00 am
Yada may well be although not sure about what specifically

Just don’t see what getting upset accomplishes..

If current trends continue in a few weeks people are going to loosen up

In Arlington we had eleven new cases yesterday and haven’t had deaths in weeks

Why get upset at people taking a little longer to adjust to things?

Its increasingly clear to me actually that people aren't going to loosen up. Literally had a text conversation w some friends yesterday who are wrapping up their vaccine schedule and suggested a socially distant get together in a few weeks. I replied, well if we're all vaccinated it doesn't;t have to be socially distant. You are correct that this pandemic has messed with peoples heads in a big way. I took what I considered reasonable precautions over the last 13 months but its also clear reasonable precautions are not enough for the "I need to reduce risk to zero" crowd.

I bike and run and walk all around DC - I used to do it with a mask but don't any more because I'm vaccinated. Theres no yelling or anything but theres lots of "mask theatre" when people see me approach either adjusting or pulling up their masks. Most of these people seem to be older, and by extension have been fully vaccinated - the only reason for anyone over 65 not to have been vaccinated in this country is a refusal to take the vaccine - and if they don't want to take a vaccine thats their problem not mine, and I shouldn't have to mask up because of it.

Even at the height of the pandemic the chances of two people passing each other on a hiking path transmitting COVID was tiny - now its infinitesimal - and yet the majority of people are still wearing masks outside. Its as anti-science as anti-maskers at the height of the pandemic to be honest.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 21, 2021, 11:21:53 am
Interesting that the biggest absolute social misfit on the board gets to name calling and accusing me of all kinds of shit because of his hard opinions on mask wearing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 11:25:29 am
Oh come on

I don’t have any hard opinions

Just saying give people a bit of time..they’ll come around

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 21, 2021, 11:27:50 am
Oh come on

I don’t have any hard opinions

Just saying give people a bit of time..they’ll come around

You puffed your chest after your sidekick agreed with you and started accusations of no empathy, I don't care people died, blah blah...

Similar to what bressner said, I haven't done shit and have abided by every rule for over a year. Now that I'm vaxxed and don't want to ear a mask outside, I shouldn't have to. Once again, walking into a record store that i'm sure you still do every day, I'd wear a mask... I'd also wear a mask anywhere else indoors. Thanks for twisting my opinions and words!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2021, 11:35:56 am
Yada is 100% correct on this.
curious if you could elaborate?

Sadly what I'm reading is we are not ditching the masks
Already Vaccinated? Here’s Why You Shouldn’t Stop Wearing Your Face Mask Yet
5 reasons to continue wearing a mask, even after you’re vaccinated (https://health.clevelandclinic.org/already-vaccinated-heres-why-you-shouldnt-stop-wearing-your-face-mask-yet/)
from those fear mongers at the Clevland Clinic...yes this is 40 days old, so thing may have changed

Trust me, I can't wait to ditch the masks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 11:46:45 am
Well you don’t have to wear a mask outside! So don’t

Just no need to get upset when other not as smart humans give you the stink eye

Let it go

I mean you keep bringing this topic up.. I don’t see why it’s a big deal

I think it’s going to take some time for many to adjust

sorry if I upset you
 🙌🏻

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2021, 12:17:53 pm
Oh come on

I don’t have any hard opinions

Just saying give people a bit of time..they’ll come around

You puffed your chest after your sidekick agreed with you and started accusations of no empathy, I don't care people died, blah blah...
My statement was that YOU were the one arguing about this for the last two weeks...not WE
Also, I think what Hutch was saying was more...you should cut people some slack, 500k people died in one year...people are on edge and have good intentions on why they think you should wear it
They may very well be misguided, but mocking them doesn't really help

I am in agreement that outdoors and with just a little distance, I think masks are not essential, but I'm no epidemiologist
but if someone asks me to mask up, I'm not going to lose my cool and just put it on
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on April 21, 2021, 01:02:22 pm
Oh come on

I don’t have any hard opinions

Just saying give people a bit of time..they’ll come around

You puffed your chest after your sidekick agreed with you and started accusations of no empathy, I don't care people died, blah blah...
My statement was that YOU were the one arguing about this for the last two weeks...not WE
Also, I think what Hutch was saying was more...you should cut people some slack, 500k people died in one year...people are on edge and have good intentions on why they think you should wear it
They may very well be misguided, but mocking them doesn't really help

I am in agreement that outdoors and with just a little distance, I think masks are not essential, but I'm no epidemiologist
but if someone asks me to mask up, I'm not going to lose my cool and just put it on

I don't wear a mask in the woods. But, if I did, it would be this one:

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDBmKzcAs0RdZ6aPaWqeeIbaZ2eorDJfq1ndnitAYltGHyssU4O1mjNooIoENbD271gWpImeB3mchjFZoMMXyrwnnVr6sT9N_NEUHRcWdwyALRi3PDdW2AsCr3yoo&usqp=CAE)




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 02:06:28 pm
https://wtop.com/dc/2021/04/blues-bar-madams-organ-asks-to-reopen-with-vaccine-passports/?fbclid=IwAR1L6wl4tlN_uTsuXDOaAAKfSDlYocw8SSVHNjDhyhLMdTRrxsU5dUIS1PY
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 21, 2021, 02:44:35 pm
Israel

https://news.yahoo.com/fully-vaccinating-majority-population-israel-100620301.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2021, 02:53:32 pm
They had an outdoor mask mandate for a year!

I do not believe we ever had one in the US but someone will correct me if I am wrong

Notice article says some people are adapting slowly and still wearing masks outdoors

Israel is a few weeks ahead of us in terms of having vaccinated

I also understand Israel uses vaccine passports


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2021, 03:07:47 pm
Isreal is also a pop of less than 9mil and less than 9k sq miles
much easier to do things like that

My understanding is there were no gov't mandated outdoor mask requirements in the US
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2021, 08:13:20 am
guys as much as everyone wants (and thinks they are right) to ditch the masks post-vaccination...things are not looking good for that
The good news is deaths have fallen significantly


Coronavirus cases aren't budging — even after vaccinations doubled

The big picture: This spring has seen a surge in vaccinations but almost no change in the coronavirus’ spread, leaving the U.S. with an outbreak that’s still too big.

Where it stands: In the last week of February, the U.S. was averaging 65,686 new coronavirus cases per day. Now, eight weeks later, we’re averaging 64,814 new cases per day.

And yet, over the same eight-week period, the U.S. has administered more than 65 million vaccine doses — roughly doubling the number of Americans who have gotten at least one shot.
Between the lines: You would think that doubling the number of vaccinated Americans would produce at least some decline in coronavirus’ spread. But that hasn’t happened.
Guess what needs to happen is understand where these new cases are...are they in areas that have low vax rates?
how are the cases in high vax areas?


More contagious variants of COVID-19 — particularly the variant first discovered in the U.K. — have become the dominant strains within the U.S. over the spring.
That would normally cause a big jump in new cases, while vaccinations would normally cause a big drop in new cases. The two may simply be canceling each other out, leaving the U.S.’ outbreak frozen at around 65,000 new cases per day.
Deaths have fallen significantly, to an average of about 700 per day, down from a peak of nearly 3,500 per day.

But 65,000 cases per day is still too many cases. It leaves the unvaccinated — a group that still includes a lot of vulnerable people — at risk of serious illness.
And it leaves the door open to more new variants, which could cause COVID-19 to stay with us for years, in varying degrees of severity.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 08:16:46 am
Yada is right
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2021, 08:26:36 am
this is interesting
Dodgers will offer a "fully vaccinated" section (https://www.axios.com/baseball-covid-vaccinated-dodgers-section-b53e3453-abb0-4dd1-bd57-b668881a27da.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 22, 2021, 08:40:25 am
guys as much as everyone wants (and thinks they are right) to ditch the masks post-vaccination...things are not looking good for that
The good news is deaths have fallen significantly


Coronavirus cases aren't budging — even after vaccinations doubled

The big picture: This spring has seen a surge in vaccinations but almost no change in the coronavirus’ spread, leaving the U.S. with an outbreak that’s still too big.

Where it stands: In the last week of February, the U.S. was averaging 65,686 new coronavirus cases per day. Now, eight weeks later, we’re averaging 64,814 new cases per day.

And yet, over the same eight-week period, the U.S. has administered more than 65 million vaccine doses — roughly doubling the number of Americans who have gotten at least one shot.
Between the lines: You would think that doubling the number of vaccinated Americans would produce at least some decline in coronavirus’ spread. But that hasn’t happened.
Guess what needs to happen is understand where these new cases are...are they in areas that have low vax rates?
how are the cases in high vax areas?


More contagious variants of COVID-19 — particularly the variant first discovered in the U.K. — have become the dominant strains within the U.S. over the spring.
That would normally cause a big jump in new cases, while vaccinations would normally cause a big drop in new cases. The two may simply be canceling each other out, leaving the U.S.’ outbreak frozen at around 65,000 new cases per day.
Deaths have fallen significantly, to an average of about 700 per day, down from a peak of nearly 3,500 per day.

But 65,000 cases per day is still too many cases. It leaves the unvaccinated — a group that still includes a lot of vulnerable people — at risk of serious illness.
And it leaves the door open to more new variants, which could cause COVID-19 to stay with us for years, in varying degrees of severity.


How has Israel managed to get their cases down to 120 per day? Sure, they only have 9 million people, but the American equivalent would be 5,000 cases per day. And Israelis are compressed into a much, much smaller geographic area than Americans are.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 08:40:55 am
Forum 💥
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 22, 2021, 10:29:37 am
Human excrement ‘increasingly serious problem’ as Britain opens up but many bathrooms don’t (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/22/britain-lockdown-toilets-parks/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2021, 10:33:09 am
Human excrement ‘increasingly serious problem’ as Britain opens up but many bathrooms don’t (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/22/britain-lockdown-toilets-parks/)

Ha
an issue that has become so widespread that two brothers decided to launch a website which allows people to search for open facilities nearby and to share “loo-cation” updates.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: evilizac on April 22, 2021, 11:20:44 am
This is exactly an idea (plus reviews of bathrooms and notes) that I had prior to COVID that friends and co-workers poo-pooed (yup) because in their opinion, who even uses public restrooms that often. My dad still kicks himself for scoffing at my comments as a child of the "vitamin generation" and at the beginning of the bottled water boom, asking why they don't just put the vitamins in the water. I wouldn't call myself the Elon Musk of garbage ideas, but...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 22, 2021, 11:29:54 am
Yada is right

Cannot confirm.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 22, 2021, 04:04:10 pm
who even uses public restrooms that often.

anyone who asks this clearly doesn't have kids.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2021, 05:03:10 pm
who even uses public restrooms that often.

anyone who asks this clearly doesn't have kids.
can confirm

Also...I'm sorry if you hate me for it, but I use public restrooms.
I will say a pretty good seat wipe down will happen and about-face if it's a total disaster
Now I do draw the line of a #2 in a portapotty..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 22, 2021, 05:44:31 pm
Yada is right

Cannot confirm.

Since you guys want to keep talking about this... not arguing!!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/22/health/masks-outdoors-need/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 05:56:57 pm
Yada is right
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 22, 2021, 06:19:10 pm
Yada is right
https://twitter.com/HunterJCullen/status/1385324399415398401
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 22, 2021, 06:24:21 pm
Yada is right
https://twitter.com/HunterJCullen/status/1385324399415398401

I know you guys love spinning everything and have low level reading comprehension,  but all of this is around masks outdoor.... not anywhere someone would be at risk.

This will be my last post on the subject until one of you bring it up again.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 06:24:55 pm
Yada is right
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 06:25:03 pm
Yada is right
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 06:25:14 pm
Yada is tight
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 06:25:27 pm
Yada is right
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 06:25:36 pm
Yada is right
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 06:26:06 pm
Wait, is that Yada? Where did the dreads go?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 22, 2021, 06:37:18 pm
The crazy thing is I am pretty much almost always ok with people not masking outdoors...

I was just trying to explain why others might not be and that it’s no reason to get worked up... the same thing I did when we discussed young kids playing / sport events and parents masking...

But it went over like a Led Zeppelin


I am glad Yada won’t be responding to this so I get the last word in!

I win!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2021, 10:49:40 am
You Can Now Sit at a Bar in Virginia
DC still doesn't allow bartenders to serve patrons behind a bar. (https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/04/22/you-can-now-sit-at-a-bar-in-virginia)

an executive order quietly updated on Wednesday, Governor Ralph Northam is allowing Virginia bar patrons to be seated at a bar for service as long as there is a minimum of six feet between parties.

Bar seating is allowed in DC, but bartenders can’t staff or use a bar where patrons are seated. The Maryland suburbs already allow staffed bars with proper social distancing.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 23, 2021, 11:51:33 am
All students, faculty and staff at UMd campuses must provide proof of vaccination beginning with the fall semester.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2021, 01:42:05 pm
any hot takes on The J&J Vaccine?
Thought we'd hear something from Fauci today

only stuff I saw is they revised it from 6 per million to 7 per million...I think more forum bordies die while posting than that
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 23, 2021, 01:51:55 pm
yikes things are not looking good in India
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzrEu3UXIAARPjJ?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 23, 2021, 06:58:40 pm
Ron Johnson may be my least favorite politician... just a despicable “man”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/23/politics/ron-johnson-covid-vaccine/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 24, 2021, 10:16:01 am
The CDC and FDA on Friday lifted the recommended pause on use of Johnson & Johnson’s coronavirus vaccine

Was this news released late yesterday
Kinda thought it would have been bigger news
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 24, 2021, 10:20:34 am
That’s so March!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 26, 2021, 11:53:11 am
My better half had no reaction to 2nd shot of Pfizer.. I sent her to climb Mt Everest


I am getting my second shot of moderna in five days...so you probably won’t hear from me for a week


There’s a lot of talk and some anger around the world about the US hogging the vaccines and not helping out the rest... China and Russia are using vaccine diplomacy.. the US so far awol... I am not passing judgment either way st this point

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 26, 2021, 01:02:57 pm
Getting a J&J shot tomorrow at 1pm to inspire confidence in others.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: evilizac on April 26, 2021, 02:14:09 pm
Got 1/2 Pfizers. Felt great
The woman administering it did not appreciate me bringing a shot glass.
Found out that my brother and his wife are super anti-vaxxers. We were born and raised in Hawaii and somehow he's become an uber redneck. They have three kids, cool.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 26, 2021, 02:17:31 pm
The woman administering it did not appreciate me bringing a shot glass.
tell me more...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 26, 2021, 03:09:20 pm
Moderna #2 today followed by a tasty edi.  Hydrating. We'll see.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 26, 2021, 03:47:01 pm
Moderna #2 today followed by a tasty edi.  Hydrating. We'll see.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_data_interchange
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 26, 2021, 03:59:26 pm
Getting a J&J shot tomorrow at 1pm to inspire confidence in others.

aren't you already vaxxed?  or is this you doubling up?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 26, 2021, 03:59:43 pm
EDIble
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 26, 2021, 04:06:29 pm
Moderna #2 today followed by a tasty edi.  Hydrating. We'll see.

it'll knock you out, most probably, which is a good thing - sleep it off.  tomorrow is when it'll hit ya so sabe it until then if the supply is limited.  if you have the luxury, take tomorrow off and plan on doing as little as possible.  hopefully you won't be affected and you'll have a free day to do whatever, but if you get walloped by the shot you'll be glad you cleared your calendar. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 26, 2021, 05:19:16 pm
Getting a J&J shot tomorrow at 1pm to inspire confidence in others.

aren't you already vaxxed?  or is this you doubling up?
I think you should be going for the triple crown with all three...those are some bragging rights
and think of the sweet cell phone service you'll be getting with all that 5G coursing through your veins
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 26, 2021, 05:50:58 pm
Getting a J&J shot tomorrow at 1pm to inspire confidence in others.

aren't you already vaxxed?  or is this you doubling up?
Doubling up!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 26, 2021, 05:51:45 pm
Getting a J&J shot tomorrow at 1pm to inspire confidence in others.

aren't you already vaxxed?  or is this you doubling up?
I think you should be going for the triple crown with all three...those are some bragging rights
and think of the sweet cell phone service you'll be getting with all that 5G coursing through your veins
I’m totally willing to throw a Pfizer and a Sputnik onto this. The Grand Slam.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 27, 2021, 01:55:58 am
Getting a J&J shot tomorrow at 1pm to inspire confidence in others.

aren't you already vaxxed?  or is this you doubling up?
I think you should be going for the triple crown with all three...those are some bragging rights
and think of the sweet cell phone service you'll be getting with all that 5G coursing through your veins
I’m totally willing to throw a Pfizer and a Sputnik onto this. The Grand Slam.

i think a true grand slam would sub in Sinopharm instead of pfizer, since pfizer = moderna.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 27, 2021, 01:58:04 am
and think of the sweet cell phone service you'll be getting

i'm still in the beta testing phase, we haven't opened up the service to the general public yet.  getting billing right is a bitch.  hold tight.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2021, 06:31:08 am
Has anyone seen tucker and Yada in the same room?

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 27, 2021, 07:23:16 am
Has anyone seen tucker and Yada in the same room?

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049?s=21

Didn't you want to put this to rest, sidearguer?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 07:25:06 am
Seriously sidehatch what are you doing?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 27, 2021, 09:52:34 am
Look at everyone adhering to masks at this event in NYC. Can you say super spreader?  :o :o :o


https://metalinjection.net/news/over-2000-people-pack-nyc-park-for-hardcore-show-headlined-by-madball
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2021, 10:22:32 am
Look at everyone adhering to masks at this event in NYC. Can you say super spreader?  :o :o :o


https://metalinjection.net/news/over-2000-people-pack-nyc-park-for-hardcore-show-headlined-by-madball
hmm...Bloodclot played...was this a J&J sponsored event

also, I saw a few maskers in the pit...but largely unobserved and very active pit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 27, 2021, 11:36:07 am
Freddy Madball has turned into Wino. Didn't expect that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 12:42:49 pm
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/cdc-vaccinated-people-ditch-mask-outdoors-cases/story?id=77339386&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 27, 2021, 01:56:36 pm
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/cdc-vaccinated-people-ditch-mask-outdoors-cases/story?id=77339386&__twitter_impression=true

YADA WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 01:57:19 pm
Told ya!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2021, 02:05:22 pm
he was right as of tueseday
 according to new guidance released Tuesday
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 02:07:57 pm
You owe him an apology dude...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 27, 2021, 02:10:17 pm
He was always right based on common sense
He was always right based on science
And now he's right after a slow moving, risk averse govt agency finally got around to stating the obvious
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 02:12:37 pm
Thank you brennser for being an early adopter of the “Yada is right!” movement


Unfortunately laggards like sidehatch continue to exist
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 02:17:16 pm
The question that must be answered is what else has sidehatch been wrong about?


I am shaken to my core..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2021, 02:19:37 pm
He was always right based on common sense
He was always right based on science
And now he's right after a slow moving, risk averse govt agency finally got around to stating the obvious
Ding.

I'll let you all in on another little secret -- you're vaccinated and effectively immune well before 14 days after your second shot. Shhhh, don't tell the woke Covid-PTSD kiddies!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2021, 02:22:09 pm
The question that must be answered is what else has sidehatch been wrong about?
might be easier to make a list of things I was right about

but this was clearly a hutch-yada battle, I was merely throwing hand grenades

So I do think that begs the question...do you all agree with Tucker Carlson?
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049?s=21
should we be harassing outdoor mask wearers and calling child protective services
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2021, 02:29:08 pm
So I do think that begs the question...do you all agree with Tucker Carlson?
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049?s=21
should we be harassing outdoor mask wearers and calling child protective services
No. Wearing a mask after vaccination (indoors and out!) is pure theatre but it isn't child abuse.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 27, 2021, 02:31:51 pm
Tucker has lost his f'g mind.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 02:33:43 pm
Waiting for Yada triumphant return and victory lap

Grabs 🍿
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2021, 02:37:57 pm
victory lapslap
he does like those
Fixed that
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 27, 2021, 02:54:40 pm
I've cleared out my forum inbox and will accept hutch² and space apologies at your convenience.

I have a sneaking suspicion that guys like hutch and space have enjoyed their covid lifestyle of hermitness and social mitfitness and will do anything in their power to continue to make terrible arguments, accusations, and assumptions to keep their paranoia/anxiety riddled lives in a tiny little bubble.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 03:00:59 pm
Geez not gracious...not nice


I said some people will need time to adjust... today’s updated guidance will help

You don’t know me!!!!

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 27, 2021, 03:03:22 pm
Geez not gracious...not nice


I said some people will need time to adjust... today’s updated guidance will help

You don’t know me!!!!

Please refer back to your accusations and assumptions of me, not nice.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 03:13:26 pm
First of all I don’t know that I said anything that terrible.. exaggerated a bit..a slight “joke” gone awry...said you lacked empathy for what others understandably felt about masks due to the pandemic ..you may have misunderstood and I may have misexpressed myself..

But I apologized that same day..

This has gotten utterly ridiculous

This is an Internet forum where almost all participants don’t even know each other so I am not sure the standard of behavior you are holding me to exists....
this is not Aaron Burr publicly slurring Alexander Hamilton or something

I have noticed you like to dish it out but can’t take it..

Like I said.. this is an Internet forum.. about all we have in common is we like live music..

And I don’t believe anything in the updates guidance contradicts anything I have said.. after over a year some people- perhaps even myself- will need time to adapt to the new “rules”... the new rule came out today Yada...we don’t go by some opinion a random person on the internet publishes on a forum under an alias...however much we may like him....there is nothing wrong with that

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 27, 2021, 03:18:56 pm
Apology accepted... And I offered to stop "arguing" about it days ago but certain people keep bringing it up!

Carry on.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 03:21:10 pm
Ok.. right o then

Jolly good

Thank you for being a fine fellow about it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2021, 03:22:26 pm
this is not Aaron Burr publicly slurring Alexander Hamilton or something
I'm going to insist -- now that you've put the idea in my head -- that you two settle this with pistols at dawn.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 27, 2021, 03:23:52 pm
No hiking or mountain climbing but I did manage to get the grass cut.  So there's that. Should've gotten the shot in my non-throwing arm; I'm afraid I lost some velo on my heater.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2021, 03:26:50 pm
this is not Aaron Burr publicly slurring Alexander Hamilton or something
I'm going to insist -- now that you've put the idea in my head -- that you two settle this with pistols at dawn.
can we do dusk, soo hard getting up that early for a duel
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 27, 2021, 03:36:02 pm
this is not Aaron Burr publicly slurring Alexander Hamilton or something
I'm going to insist -- now that you've put the idea in my head -- that you two settle this with pistols at dawn.
can we do dusk, soo hard getting up that early for a duel

Might I suggest a footrace instead?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 03:36:24 pm
I believe Yada has acknowledged that I have given him satisfaction

(I hope I am using the correct olden parlance)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 27, 2021, 03:43:00 pm
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/cdc-vaccinated-people-ditch-mask-outdoors-cases/story?id=77339386&__twitter_impression=true

YADA WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!

Tucker was right!?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2021, 03:44:24 pm
I believe Yada has acknowledged that I have given him satisfaction
Fair enough. I was just about to offer to be his 2nd.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 27, 2021, 04:16:55 pm
Experts recommend giving your doctor a copy of your vaccination card for inclusion in your medical record.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 27, 2021, 04:21:50 pm
Experts recommend giving your doctor a copy of your vaccination card for inclusion in your medical record.

Nothing says "US healthcare system" quite like an easily forgeable piece of paper that is meant to be proof of your immunization  :o
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2021, 04:40:33 pm
Experts recommend giving your doctor a copy of your vaccination card for inclusion in your medical record.

Nothing says "US healthcare system" quite like an easily forgeable piece of paper that is meant to be proof of your immunization  :o
and easily forged
It should be able to be looked up in a database tied to your social security #...but then more privacy issues abound
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 27, 2021, 04:51:55 pm
Experts recommend giving your doctor a copy of your vaccination card for inclusion in your medical record.

Nothing says "US healthcare system" quite like an easily forgeable piece of paper that is meant to be proof of your immunization  :o
and easily forged
It should be able to be looked up in a database tied to your social security #...but then more privacy issues abound

yes, which is why I said easily forgeable ;-)

What are the privacy issues? Every time you go to a doctor or fill a scrip it generates data that pings around the health care system all day long. Vaccination data shouldn't be any different.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 04:57:43 pm
My main concern is the data could be forged easily...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 27, 2021, 05:27:22 pm
Besides the data forging concern easily just want to add that 13 new cases reported in Arlington today

With the increasing good news:

We sent our older boy back to school today..he wanted to go

Our younger boy didn’t want to go back so we said ok.. claimed would be uncomfortable wearing a mask all day..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 27, 2021, 05:33:31 pm
yes, which is why I said easily forgeable ;-)

What are the privacy issues?
So not sure how I missed you saying that in your post, but I did.
The privacy issue is just your social floating around there if that was the way you tied it to your vaccination

How do we expect people checking tickets at concerts, reservations for dinner and all that to check this stuff?
Dr's and Perscription counter staff are trained and are very careful with that data

But now you are asking people who don't really deal with that kind of sensitive data to manage and keep it private

personally, I don't worry too much, but I can see the privacy folks getting their dander up
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on April 27, 2021, 06:40:51 pm
Should've gotten the shot in my non-throwing arm; I'm afraid I lost some velo on my heater.

That's a rookie move for sure...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 28, 2021, 12:00:05 am
Some info about Madams Organs but also 930 club

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/515410/d-c-bars-and-music-venues-consider-requiring-vaccination-so-they-can-reopen/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-washingtoncitypaper&utm_content=later-16661208&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram&fbclid=IwAR2LVYBObfuPdfswm7otxY2-KOPq55qJRq5qsnCbq3M8FwJ73DKGCLN9eks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 28, 2021, 08:09:13 am
Some info about Madams Organs but also 930 club

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/515410/d-c-bars-and-music-venues-consider-requiring-vaccination-so-they-can-reopen/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-washingtoncitypaper&utm_content=later-16661208&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram&fbclid=IwAR2LVYBObfuPdfswm7otxY2-KOPq55qJRq5qsnCbq3M8FwJ73DKGCLN9eks

According to the article, as of APril 23, only 33.6% of DC residents has at least one shot. Seems below the national average. Is that because DC has so many children compared to other states? Or does DC have a high percentage of vaccine resistant Republican men?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 28, 2021, 08:20:01 am
Some info about Madams Organs but also 930 club

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/515410/d-c-bars-and-music-venues-consider-requiring-vaccination-so-they-can-reopen/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-washingtoncitypaper&utm_content=later-16661208&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram&fbclid=IwAR2LVYBObfuPdfswm7otxY2-KOPq55qJRq5qsnCbq3M8FwJ73DKGCLN9eks

According to the article, as of APril 23, only 33.6% of DC residents has at least one shot. Seems below the national average. Is that because DC has so many children compared to other states? Or does DC have a high percentage of vaccine resistant Republican men?
They did say, they have no way of tracking those who got vax out of state, I would imagine that would bolster that number closer to 40%
but that's just a guess
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 28, 2021, 08:20:46 am
According to the article, as of APril 23, only 33.6% of DC residents has at least one shot. Seems below the national average. Is that because DC has so many children compared to other states? Or does DC have a high percentage of vaccine resistant Republican men?
I've explained what's up here a few times, but I'll let The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/why-dc-failing-vaccination-game/618466/) do it this time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 28, 2021, 08:36:02 am
What portion of that 33% are elderly folks who wouldn’t be caught dead in Adams Morgan?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 28, 2021, 10:26:11 am
I went out on a give mile run this morning and a moth promptly flew up my nose. Damn you, CDC, how dare you advise me to take the mask off?

#maskforever
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 28, 2021, 10:30:22 am
HA!   Had a similar experience on my bike ride last night.  The gnats were just clouds of nastiness all over the trail and I could feel them bouncing off my glasses and thought to myself, this is the one occasion that I wish I had my mask on
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 28, 2021, 12:23:43 pm
HA!   Had a similar experience on my bike ride last night.  The gnats were just clouds of nastiness all over the trail and I could feel them bouncing off my glasses and thought to myself, this is the one occasion that I wish I had my mask on

same - 'twas just awful
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 28, 2021, 12:25:08 pm
Some info about Madams Organs but also 930 club

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/515410/d-c-bars-and-music-venues-consider-requiring-vaccination-so-they-can-reopen/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-washingtoncitypaper&utm_content=later-16661208&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram&fbclid=IwAR2LVYBObfuPdfswm7otxY2-KOPq55qJRq5qsnCbq3M8FwJ73DKGCLN9eks

According to the article, as of APril 23, only 33.6% of DC residents has at least one shot. Seems below the national average. Is that because DC has so many children compared to other states? Or does DC have a high percentage of vaccine resistant Republican men?

those DC numbers seem absurdly low to me but then again I live in a liberal woke bubble even by DC standards - I don't think I know anyone who hasn't received at least one shot - most of my neighborhood went to the MD mass vaxx sites so they won't show up in the DC numbers
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 28, 2021, 12:34:32 pm
Some info about Madams Organs but also 930 club

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/515410/d-c-bars-and-music-venues-consider-requiring-vaccination-so-they-can-reopen/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-washingtoncitypaper&utm_content=later-16661208&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram&fbclid=IwAR2LVYBObfuPdfswm7otxY2-KOPq55qJRq5qsnCbq3M8FwJ73DKGCLN9eks

According to the article, as of APril 23, only 33.6% of DC residents has at least one shot. Seems below the national average. Is that because DC has so many children compared to other states? Or does DC have a high percentage of vaccine resistant Republican men?

those DC numbers seem absurdly low to me but then again I live in a liberal woke bubble even by DC standards - I don't think I know anyone who hasn't received at least one shot - most of my neighborhood went to the MD mass vaxx sites so they won't show up in the DC numbers

Do you have a lot of older black men in your neighborhood?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/04/24/women-vaccine-black-men-dc/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: brennser on April 28, 2021, 01:46:21 pm
Valid point
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 30, 2021, 08:11:28 am
I just received word from my employer that vaccinated people are still required to wear masks in outdoor areas, just like unvaccinated people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on April 30, 2021, 08:49:59 am
I just received word from my employer that vaccinated people are still required to wear masks in outdoor areas, just like unvaccinated people.

Taste the fear!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2021, 09:05:12 am
That seems stupid...I mean shouldn’t government follow government recommendations?


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 30, 2021, 09:09:40 am
That seems stupid...I mean shouldn’t government follow government recommendations?

Aren't you woke? It's all about equity, man. Just like Virginia changing it's math curriculum so that every student takes the same math classes through 10th grade, regardless of differing math ability levels.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on April 30, 2021, 09:51:59 am
I must confess I am not sure that I am woke up and I seem to be getting sleepier..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 30, 2021, 09:52:51 am
I'm going to post this and confess that I love it when Julian goes off on this guy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/28/joe-rogan-podcast-vaccine-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 30, 2021, 10:07:09 am
I'm going to post this and confess that I love it when Julian goes off on this guy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/28/joe-rogan-podcast-vaccine-coronavirus/
I have long been on record that I don't give Rogan clicks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 30, 2021, 05:06:23 pm
2nd shot yesterday, mild symptoms today. The whole family will be done with shots next week!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on May 03, 2021, 01:50:07 pm
Now this is how you incentivize people

https://twitter.com/GovMurphy/status/1389269510612467716
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 03, 2021, 01:53:31 pm
Jules...can you talk to your VA legislator friends...we need this in VA
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0etPl-WEAUUlHt?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 03, 2021, 01:55:45 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html#click=https://t.co/CTBCsBBxn6
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 03, 2021, 02:03:24 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html#click=https://t.co/CTBCsBBxn6
The problem with articles like this is they never seem to understand that __% means vaccinated + infected - overlaps, not just vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 03, 2021, 02:25:39 pm
"The most deranged yet delightful thing  I read today is that some anti-maskers/vaxxers are now wearing masks out of fear that a vaccinated person will “shed” vaccine side effects onto them" (https://twitter.com/paiiige/status/1388959889880453126)

(Twitter link)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: hutch on May 04, 2021, 08:01:37 pm

I think this could be good news

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/04/health/pfizer-vaccine-approval-kids-eua-timeline/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 04, 2021, 10:28:14 pm

I think this could be good news

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/04/health/pfizer-vaccine-approval-kids-eua-timeline/index.html
Whoa. That is sooner than I expected. If school age kids can all be vaxed by October, that would change the school equation a lot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 05, 2021, 12:11:51 am
a recent poll of household 7-year-olds showed a 100% degree of excitement about getting vaxxed.  even though they're deathly afraid of needles, they've felt left out: they've watched all the big people get their shots and how important we've made it sound, so they want in on the action.  too bad we can't get approval before the new school year starts...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 05, 2021, 07:11:21 am
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/05/liberals-covid-19-science-denial-lockdown/618780/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 05, 2021, 08:29:29 am
a recent poll of household 7-year-olds showed a 100% degree of excitement about getting vaxxed.  even though they're deathly afraid of needles, they've felt left out: they've watched all the big people get their shots and how important we've made it sound, so they want in on the action.  too bad we can't get approval before the new school year starts...

I think you're going to have problems convincing a lot of parents of seven year old's that their kids need the vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 05, 2021, 08:30:57 am

I think this could be good news

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/04/health/pfizer-vaccine-approval-kids-eua-timeline/index.html
Whoa. That is sooner than I expected. If school age kids can all be vaxed by October, that would change the school equation a lot.

How would it change the school equation a lot? Fairfax County has been one of the most conservative districts and they're planning on five days a week, with only medical exemptions, regardless of vaccination status.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 05, 2021, 11:22:41 am
How would it change the school equation a lot? Fairfax County has been one of the most conservative districts and they're planning on five days a week, with only medical exemptions, regardless of vaccination status.
Does this seem to be de rigueur nationwide? Didn't know that. Assumed as a childless person with disposable income and teacher friends that many school systems would continue to be hybrid and have teacher staffing issues until kids were vaxxed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 05, 2021, 11:23:11 am
Also that was post 6666 for you so extra spoooooooky.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 05, 2021, 11:49:13 am
Also that was post 6666 for you so extra spoooooooky.
Space almost shouldn't post again to keep that number
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 05, 2021, 11:54:45 am
Also that was post 6666 for you so extra spoooooooky.
Space almost shouldn't post again to keep that number
[Insert person here] should additionally never post again. For numerical reasons.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 05, 2021, 02:49:34 pm
I need to speak with the manager, got my J&J and still only getting 1-2 bars in my house...do I have to wait 2 weeks for cell phone reception to improve?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2021, 06:22:32 am
Think of J&J as the boutique vaccine, and Pfizer as the Target
Jules did you pick up a writing gig?

https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/05/johnson-and-johnson-is-the-cool-vaccine.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2021, 11:29:09 am
DC is doing it...come on VA (a va brewery no less)
https://wtop.com/dc/2021/05/shot-and-a-beer-dc-offering-walk-up-vaccines-beverages-at-kennedy-center/

dang and MD employees can get $100
https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/05/hogan-100-for-md-state-employees-who-get-covid-19-vaccine/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 06, 2021, 11:59:24 am
Seriously? People are going to get a vaccine in exchange for a beer?


How much of a loser does one have to be..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2021, 12:36:49 pm
whatever it takes man, if it gets people out, then it's working

what about FWB points!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 06, 2021, 01:08:31 pm
I do not believe one person is going to decide to get a vaccine because of a free beer


This is just stupid
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 06, 2021, 01:10:11 pm
I do not believe one person is going to decide to get a vaccine because of a free beer


This is just stupid

Never speak for Space again!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2021, 01:17:18 pm
I do not believe one person is going to decide to get a vaccine because of a free beer
you may be right, but it's got people talking about it and it may have very well been the tipping point for some


Your boy EF-D seems to think so

https://time.com/6046238/covid-19-vaccine-incentives/

But will a free drink or a $100 payment actually convince anyone to get vaccinated?

“It gets at the low-hanging fruit”—people who aren’t actively opposed to vaccination but may have been too busy or apathetic to make an appointment, says Eric Feigl-Ding, an epidemiologist and health economist at the Federation of American Scientists. “The hardcore denialists are not going to budge after being bribed with a beer or a $100 savings bond.”

Axios-Harris poll found that 31% of unvaccinated Americans say they’ll either “get the vaccine whenever they get around to it” or “will wait awhile and see before getting the vaccine.” That suggests a significant number of people fall somewhere between eager for and opposed to vaccination. Incentives could help bring them in the door.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 06, 2021, 01:25:15 pm

Honestly the people who want to believe this is great are beer drinkers who want another reason to feel good about drinking beer

BTW these are the only people talking about it! Beer drinkers that really believe in vaccinations ...

Will some people take advantage of this offer after being vaccinated? No doubt

Is this going to be the tipping point for anyone? Of course not
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 06, 2021, 01:31:26 pm
I think they should extend the free beer offer to 16-20 year olds. Although they might prefer hard seltzer.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2021, 01:34:27 pm
Honestly, a bong hit would probably go better or maybe some mushrooms
I'd do it for a cap

again, this is an incentive to get those who were going to get it, but can't seem to make the time

I'd like to hear stats on this, your poo-pooing this, but what if it got 1000 people to get the vax months and months earlier than before
I think incentives work
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 06, 2021, 01:38:51 pm
You just really really want to believe this don’t you?

Fine

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2021, 01:49:03 pm
I'll take that as you think Eric Feigl-Ding is wrong
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 06, 2021, 02:06:44 pm
I don't believe a free beer convinces anyone to get a vaccine who otherwise wouldn't unless they literally set up at the brewery and go "that'll be $9 . . . or my associate here can give you a jab right now." Then, maybe.

$100, OTOH, absolutely moves the needle.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 06, 2021, 02:42:36 pm
I'll take that as you think Eric Feigl-Ding is wrong

He has been wrong

A classic just a week ago when a rate - cannot remember what-went up from 2.6 to 3.2 - all within margin of error and he said there had been a 30% increase and started freaking ..maybe some variant

He loves to freak people out...everything is bad

He did apologize


Incentives work at some point.. if you accept a 12 oz beer moves people to get Vaccinated do you think an 8 ounce beer does it!!? A 4 ounce taste? Would a free ounce of beer work!?



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 06, 2021, 02:43:04 pm
x
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 06, 2021, 05:21:43 pm
here we go, this is a good incentive
https://www.axios.com/new-york-vaccine-yankees-mets-9d80f3ce-cf04-4372-9a5a-e3e36bb93543.html

I think Jules said it, but Jiffy Lube and MPP and other big outdoor venues this summer should have a few tables set up
I guess the only problem is, you don't feel that great...and probably shouldn't drink a ton while far from home
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 07, 2021, 03:44:48 am
over on this side, local major league sports teams have started offering covid shots at home games: both the Mariners and the Sounders have on-site walk-up vaccination clinics inside the stadium.  they've even offering a choice of J&J or moderna, and can book your appointment for the second moderna shot on the spot at one of the city's mass vaccination sites.

"bah, it's the bottom of the order... let's go grab a beer and a shot."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 07, 2021, 01:17:23 pm
Been saying this... but even I was thinking a bit lower


https://www.mediaite.com/news/true-u-s-death-toll-from-covid-is-more-than-900000-study-finds/


For perspective this would be about 1 in 336 Americans



Getting closer to the “Spanish flu” numbers which albeit estimates are more along the lines of 1 in 200


If we use 594,000 dead we get about 1 in 552 Americans have died from covid


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 07, 2021, 02:23:01 pm
https://twitter.com/chefjoseandres/status/1390679082380238849?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 07, 2021, 02:29:39 pm
damn...that's a good incentive...although could seriously make him broke

anyone that comes with vaccine papers,that proves that has been vaccinated will get $50 gift certificate for any of
@thinkfoodgroup  restaurants in the @washingtondc area...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 07, 2021, 02:34:16 pm
damn...that's a good incentive...although could seriously make him broke

anyone that comes with vaccine papers,that proves that has been vaccinated will get $50 gift certificate for any of
@thinkfoodgroup  restaurants in the @washingtondc area...


I'm pretty sure Jose at this point is more focused on his humanitarian efforts than his restaurants...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 07, 2021, 02:36:49 pm
damn...that's a good incentive...although could seriously make him broke

anyone that comes with vaccine papers,that proves that has been vaccinated will get $50 gift certificate for any of
@thinkfoodgroup  restaurants in the @washingtondc area...


An excellent offer to encourage people to get vaccinated. Alternatively, one can forego their vaccine protection and become an incubator for more aggressive COVID19 mutations all while accepting nearly all the risk of infection.
https://twitter.com/rustinore/status/1390682049460285443
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on May 07, 2021, 05:27:03 pm
damn...that's a good incentive...although could seriously make him broke

Probably doesn't include alcohol and that's where the real profit margins are....

Or, he's just being nice.  Imagine that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 12, 2021, 06:54:53 pm
Now this type of incentive I like

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ohio-governor-announces-a-million-dollar-lottery-for-adults-who-have-gotten-vaccinated/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 12, 2021, 07:01:08 pm
Now this type of incentive I like

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ohio-governor-announces-a-million-dollar-lottery-for-adults-who-have-gotten-vaccinated/
This is absolutely what we should be doing.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 13, 2021, 08:09:43 am
Now this type of incentive I like

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ohio-governor-announces-a-million-dollar-lottery-for-adults-who-have-gotten-vaccinated/
This is absolutely what we should be doing.

I like that idea. Might be more effective if they spread the wealth and split the million between 100 10K winners. That would definitely be enough dollars to entice some people to get vaccinated, and with 100 winners people would think they had a legit shot.

Though the Republicans will never be about spreading the wealth.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 13, 2021, 08:46:10 am
Now this type of incentive I like

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ohio-governor-announces-a-million-dollar-lottery-for-adults-who-have-gotten-vaccinated/
This is absolutely what we should be doing.

I like that idea. Might be more effective if they spread the wealth and split the million between 100 10K winners. That would definitely be enough dollars to entice some people to get vaccinated, and with 100 winners people would think they had a legit shot.

Though the Republicans will never be about spreading the wealth.
That's also a good plan. Or a small stimulus check to those who can prove vaccination.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 13, 2021, 09:40:09 am
For Yada

Fauci says no need to wear mask outside if you been vaccinated

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-05-13-21/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Got Haggis? on May 13, 2021, 10:33:38 am
Now this type of incentive I like

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ohio-governor-announces-a-million-dollar-lottery-for-adults-who-have-gotten-vaccinated/

paid for with federal CARES act money
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 13, 2021, 10:46:14 am
For Yada

Fauci says no need to wear mask outside if you been vaccinated

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-05-13-21/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Well no shit!

I will say, it's going to be weird all of a sudden to be in groups of people this summer. Will you still mask up at an outdoor concert?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 13, 2021, 10:53:34 am
I don’t know that I will mask up outdoors ..I mean I don’t think so


I would feel better if I could get my kids vaxxed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 13, 2021, 11:15:15 am
I would feel better if I could get my kids vaxxed
you will
I guess jules would be better to answer this, but I think in the next few weeks it will be readily available for kids
there are sooo many locations now giving out shots with out any screening necessary
so when the kids are approved from the CDC I can only imagine you can just walk up and get it done within a few weeks of that
but this is all conjecture, not based on actual news/facts


Is your concern that you are going to pass it to your kids if you go to an unmasked concert after you are vaxxed?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 13, 2021, 11:22:57 am
Yeah that’s the concern


I know it’s probably impossible..very unlikely..

I know vaccines for kids are coming





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 13, 2021, 11:36:38 am
Space posted an article that 2-11 years old is likely coming in September so still a bit of wait.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 13, 2021, 11:45:11 am
Yup


I am not going to wait for vaccines -for my kids - to go back to shows or do other stuff...

But I will probably limit my activities until early August or so...

Then I will just wing it I guess for a while until they get vaccinated

I can only do so much..



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 13, 2021, 11:51:12 am
I am a little confused on this topic, because I have heard anecdotal stories about people getting their kids vaxxed

well you could go to concerts unmasked and then self-isolate for two weeks ;)


I did just read that starting Saturday kids 12-15 are eligible...isn't one of your offspring in that age range?
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/12-17-year-old-first-dose-pfizer-clinic-walter-reed-community-center-registration-154584537513
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 13, 2021, 12:10:05 pm
I am a little confused on this topic, because I have heard anecdotal stories about people getting their kids vaxxed
Children don't have ID cards and pharmacies have basically been taking people at their word that they are who they say they are when they show up for their vaccination. If someone wanted to vaccinate their 10 year old, I feel super confident it would be the easiest thing  in the world to do just by lying on the signup sheet. Whose to say the kid isn't 12?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 13, 2021, 12:12:39 pm
I am a little confused on this topic, because I have heard anecdotal stories about people getting their kids vaxxed
Children don't have ID cards and pharmacies have basically been taking people at their word that they are who they say they are when they show up for their vaccination. If someone wanted to vaccinate their 10 year old, I feel super confident it would be the easiest thing  in the world to do just by lying on the signup sheet. Whose to say the kid isn't 12?

Wait, don't all kids have passports?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 13, 2021, 12:57:20 pm
get free fries in NYC just show a vax card
https://www.shakeshack.com/2021/05/12/nyc-get-vaxxed-get-shack/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 13, 2021, 08:45:37 pm
Bill Maher
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 13, 2021, 09:58:48 pm
This is better than a lottery entry.

https://mocoshow.com/blog/governor-hogan-announces-vaccine-incentive-partnership-with-ledo-pizza/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 13, 2021, 10:38:36 pm
How about if you get vaccinated, you never have to eat Ledos trash pizza again?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2021, 07:35:30 am
How about if you get vaccinated, you never have to eat Ledos trash pizza again?

Yikes, and people call me negative. There is a certain time in everyone's life, like when they're maybe 10, that Ledo's Pizza is everyone's favorite pizza pie.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2021, 07:45:52 am
How about if you get vaccinated, you never have to eat Ledos trash pizza again?

Yikes, and people call me negative. There is a certain time in everyone's life, like when they're maybe 10, that Ledo's Pizza is everyone's favorite pizza pie.
when I was 10, I could get awesome pizza from any one of a 1/2 dozen shops in my town, all mom & Pop and were delicious (Long Island)
Ledo's pizza is shitty amusement park pizza that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy
I'm amazed the chain could last as long as it has, there obviously are enough little league teams in the DMV to support this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2021, 07:57:14 am
How about if you get vaccinated, you never have to eat Ledos trash pizza again?

Yikes, and people call me negative. There is a certain time in everyone's life, like when they're maybe 10, that Ledo's Pizza is everyone's favorite pizza pie.
when I was 10, I could get awesome pizza from any one of a 1/2 dozen shops in my town, all mom & Pop and were delicious (Long Island)
Ledo's pizza is shitty amusement park pizza that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy
I'm amazed the chain could last as long as it has, there obviously are enough little league teams in the DMV to support this
[/quote

Yikes, and people call me negative.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2021, 08:05:02 am
this is an objective fact, not an opinion ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2021, 08:07:24 am
man, going back to work in an office is going to hard for some professions with a high quotient of Q
CNN has confirmed that 100% of congressional Democrats are vaccinated, across both chambers. Republicans, however? At least 92% in the Senate. But only at least 44.8% of House Republicans confirmed that they are.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2021, 08:28:04 am
this is an objective fact, not an opinion ;)

Look at all these awards. Ledo's is the Nomadland of pizza. Hell, it's the Taylor Swift of pizza.

https://ledopizza.com/category/award/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 14, 2021, 09:32:44 am
How about if you get vaccinated, you never have to eat Ledos trash pizza again?

Yikes, and people call me negative. There is a certain time in everyone's life, like when they're maybe 10, that Ledo's Pizza is everyone's favorite pizza pie.
when I was 10, I could get awesome pizza from any one of a 1/2 dozen shops in my town, all mom & Pop and were delicious (Long Island)
Ledo's pizza is shitty amusement park pizza that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy
I'm amazed the chain could last as long as it has, there obviously are enough little league teams in the DMV to support this

This is what the rabble here was/were raised on Hatch, they know not of what they eat or what they are missing. Off to Lake Ronkonkoma!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 14, 2021, 09:40:23 am
I think I've only had Ledo once in my life at a kid's birthday party... can't confirm any more than that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 14, 2021, 09:41:35 am
How about if you get vaccinated, you never have to eat Ledos trash pizza again?

Yikes, and people call me negative. There is a certain time in everyone's life, like when they're maybe 10, that Ledo's Pizza is everyone's favorite pizza pie.

I grew up on California-style pizza (not that damn "kitchen"), mostly distinguished by having a blend of cheeses (5 or more). It took a long time for our family to find decent pies when we moved to Maryland. It was an adjustment. Didn't try Ledo's until my mid-20s (and it was from the original Ledo Restaurant). Never really liked it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 14, 2021, 09:52:30 am
Horrible 🍕



Anyways yesterday I went into a record store sans mask.. by accident of course

Poor kid came out from behind counter in shock and asked me if I could put on a mask.. I think he was scared of me..he looked really scared

I just went back to my car and got my mask


No more was said on the matter

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 14, 2021, 11:12:29 am
Ok...new bordie challange

We send Space and his whole family to Ledos pizza, must open up an Instagram account, and post blow by blows and reviews of the Pizza
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 14, 2021, 11:16:02 am
Ok...new bordie challange

We send Space and his whole family to Ledos pizza, must open up an Instagram account, and post blow by blows and reviews of the Pizza
In for $100.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 14, 2021, 02:33:08 pm
Ok...new bordie challange

We send Space and his whole family to Ledos pizza, must open up an Instagram account, and post blow by blows and reviews of the Pizza
In for $100.

i'm in too, but how much do we really need?  how much can a pair of pies and a few craft beers run?  or are we turning this into a fundraiser, and if so for whom?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2021, 02:40:11 pm
Ok...new bordie challange

We send Space and his whole family to Ledos pizza, must open up an Instagram account, and post blow by blows and reviews of the Pizza
In for $100.

i'm in too, but how much do we really need?  how much can a pair of pies and a few craft beers run?  or are we turning this into a fundraiser, and if so for whom?

I don't understand what the appeal of this would be for you guys.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 14, 2021, 02:41:53 pm
Ok...new bordie challange

We send Space and his whole family to Ledos pizza, must open up an Instagram account, and post blow by blows and reviews of the Pizza
In for $100.

i'm in too, but how much do we really need?  how much can a pair of pies and a few craft beers run?  or are we turning this into a fundraiser, and if so for whom?

I don't understand what the appeal of this would be for you guys.
I mean, I watched Scenes from a Marriage and enjoyed it, and this has the added benefit that I don't have to read subtitles.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 14, 2021, 05:20:32 pm
I was thinking that soon I expect companies to say they don’t require masks

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/05/14/trader-joes-face-masks-fully-vaccinated-massachusetts/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 14, 2021, 08:43:35 pm
I was thinking that soon I expect companies to say they don’t require masks

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/05/14/trader-joes-face-masks-fully-vaccinated-massachusetts/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

How will Trader Joe's know you're fully vaccinated? Honor system?

Got an email from my employer today saying fully vaccinated can go madkless in building. Of course we're not back in the office so point is moot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 14, 2021, 09:56:36 pm
It’s all honor system

Virginia is lifting indoor mask requirements although I guess stores can still require them

The end of masks came quickly


https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-to-lift-mask-mandate-covid-19-restrictions-to-end-in-time-for-memorial-day-weekend/291-a05baa42-4d84-4914-a4b4-3ecd878bdaa9?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 15, 2021, 03:35:50 am
It’s all honor system

which is 100% not going to work.  if you're anti-vax, but your lack of vax is preventing you from getting your mitts on trader joe's deals on cheese, how long do you think you'll spend on the moral dilemma before boldly declaring you've been jabbed?  i'm thinking less than planck time.
 
so the question, for me, becomes: there are going to be unvaxxed and unmasked people around me - how comfortable am i with that?  i'm OK for my own sake, but i do worry about the kiddoes. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 15, 2021, 11:34:27 am
(https://i.ibb.co/p4DbTwC/Screen-Shot-2021-05-15-at-11-32-32-AM.png) (https://twitter.com/Zo_Zahid/status/1393302738885357569?s=20)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 16, 2021, 11:27:58 am
Saw two Giant workers working without masks this morning. All customers were masked. I guess we're in the Honor System stage, baby.

My kid got her fist shot yesterday. System glitched so we ended up standing in a line for 60 minutes. I was the only person (out of hundreds) without a mask in the outdoor line. I hope I made Yada proud.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 16, 2021, 01:57:25 pm
Re: grocery store workers....they were considered essential and were first in line for vaccination.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on May 16, 2021, 02:47:12 pm
Saw two Giant workers working without masks this morning. All customers were masked. I guess we're in the Honor System stage, baby.

My kid got her fist shot yesterday. System glitched so we ended up standing in a line for 60 minutes. I was the only person (out of hundreds) without a mask in the outdoor line. I hope I made Yada proud.

Disgraceful.  I would've worn a mask in that scenario.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 16, 2021, 03:12:26 pm
Re: grocery store workers....they were considered essential and were first in line for vaccination.
Where do you live where grocery store workers were “first” in line for vaccines? Because it’s not Virginia, Maryland, or DC.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 16, 2021, 06:05:12 pm
Well, maybe behind first responders and nursing home staff...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 16, 2021, 06:42:38 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1h-DojWYAQbgzP?format=png&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 16, 2021, 07:00:30 pm
Meanwhile on the west coast: The Bay Area has the highest coronavirus vaccination rates in the state — and some of the lowest hospitalization levels (https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/05/16/the-bay-area-has-the-highest-coronavirus-vaccination-rates-in-the-state-and-some-of-the-lowest-hospitalization-levels/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 17, 2021, 11:39:55 am
My wife's brother proclaimed he "doesn't believe in the vaccine."

Yet, he believes all kinds of Catholic nonsense.

Stupidity all over.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 17, 2021, 02:21:28 pm
Indian variant not affecting vaccinated older people - UK health minister (https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/indian-variant-not-affecting-vaccinated-older-people-uk-health-minister-2021-05-17/?taid=60a2b3dbb4526500012f1403&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 17, 2021, 02:48:10 pm
U.S. weekly deaths from COVID fall to lowest in 14 months (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-weekly-deaths-covid-fall-lowest-14-months-2021-05-17/?taid=60a2b9b8905c070001e8a82f&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)

That's March 2020, when the shutdowns were just getting started.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 17, 2021, 02:48:50 pm
California won’t lift its mask requirement for another month (https://apnews.com/article/california-coronavirus-pandemic-government-and-politics-health-da661033232db5dcacfbf692221361b2?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on May 17, 2021, 04:16:07 pm
Some people still need to mask up even if vaccinated. Are you one of them? (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/16/health/vaccinated-masks-needed-wellness/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 19, 2021, 09:51:57 am
Now that I'm vaccine happy, I got my first Shingrix jab yesterday.

My arm is actually more sore than the two COVID jabs, but no other side effects.



Also, yesterday, they changed the colon exam recommendation from 50 to 45, so some of you can start lining up your colonoscopies.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 19, 2021, 09:54:57 am
Also, yesterday, they changed the colon exam recommendation from 50 to 45, so some of you can start lining up your colonoscopies.
I just read that too, good thing I just turned 50
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 19, 2021, 09:57:38 am
Also, yesterday, they changed the colon exam recommendation from 50 to 45, so some of you can start lining up your colonoscopies.
I just read that too, good thing I just turned 50

Welcome to the 50 club. The change to 45 doesn't mean you're off the hook at 50.

Mine was fine at 50, but they recommended doing it again in five years, so I'll be due again next year.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 19, 2021, 10:01:49 am
Oh I know it doesn't get me off the hook, but didn't have to do it the last 5 years was a little relief

I know this isn't the medical questions thread, but what are people's opinion on Cologuard
they sure do advertize a lot
I'd rather poop in a box and mail it than have a Dr stick a long, flexible, tubular instrument about 1/2-inch in diameter up to my Large intestine
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 19, 2021, 10:03:55 am
WTF are we talking about now!!??!


WHAT THE FUCK???
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on May 19, 2021, 10:05:21 am
June 7th Scope for me. Follow along on my Instragram as I live stream the prep.

On the COVID - I just bought a GBV Ottobar ticket, and there was a box to check at checkout where one had to (?) certify that one was fully vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 19, 2021, 04:47:08 pm
apparently the Arnold palmer is getting some serious attention

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1395117143029600262

Robert Peston@Peston
.
@neil_ferguson  tells me studies are showing immune response is increased by mixing vaccines, eg AZ first dose followed by Pfizer or Moderna as 2nd. Says mixing vaccines may be good policy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 19, 2021, 04:56:46 pm
apparently the Arnold palmer is getting some serious attention

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1395117143029600262

Robert Peston@Peston
.
@neil_ferguson  tells me studies are showing immune response is increased by mixing vaccines, eg AZ first dose followed by Pfizer or Moderna as 2nd. Says mixing vaccines may be good policy.
Its crazy how far ahead I’ve been all along.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 19, 2021, 05:35:55 pm
I'd like to deliver a fuck you to starsky on this one

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/554395-shot-and-chaser-how-free-beer-is-boosting-covid-19-vaccinations
free Beer is driving the vax rates up

Hatch was right!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on May 19, 2021, 05:59:13 pm
UMD offers free football tickets to employees who get vaccine between May 19 and June 30  (https://dbknews.com/2021/05/19/maryland-athletics-covid-19-vaccine-football/)

Already had my second a month ago, but this wouldn't matter to me anyway.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2021, 12:31:24 pm
I'm going to put this here

Scientists say mammals can breathe through their butts in emergencies (https://www.cnet.com/news/scientists-say-mammals-can-breathe-through-their-butts-in-emergencies/)

Butt-breathing could be no joke in the future for patients with respiratory failure
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 21, 2021, 05:18:38 am
Damn MD is really spicing up the pot
And includes those who already got a jab
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/554623-maryland-to-offer-lottery-prizes-for-covid-vaccinations

Under the VaxCash promotion, one $40,000 winner will be randomly selected every day for 40 consecutive days beginning May 25. A July 4 drawing at the conclusion of the promotion will have a $400,000 grand prize.

All Maryland residents who have received a COVID-19 vaccine administered in Maryland at any time are automatically eligible, as well as people who are newly vaccinated. The earlier in the promotion a person gets vaccinated, the more opportunities they have to win.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 24, 2021, 01:59:23 pm
-7 cases in Fairfax County today.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/covid19/case-information
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on May 24, 2021, 02:01:25 pm
-7 cases in Fairfax County today.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/covid19/case-information

Does that mean they're giving cases away? Arlington beware!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 24, 2021, 04:46:51 pm
-7 cases in Fairfax County today.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/covid19/case-information

Does that mean they're giving cases away? Arlington beware!

Doubtful. 76 cases in all of Virginia today.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 26, 2021, 03:55:14 pm
A net of only five new cases have been reported in Arlington over the past seven days — the lowest point since March 15, 2020
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 28, 2021, 08:30:59 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2a9jv6WYAsNRFO?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 28, 2021, 08:47:20 am
I just licked my boss' face!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 28, 2021, 09:04:46 am
Concert promoter offering 5,500 percent discount to those who are vaccinated (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/555896-concert-promoter-gives-5500-percent-discount-to-those-who-are)



at the VFW Post 39 venue in St. Petersburg featuring performances with punk rock bands Teenage Bottlerocket, MakeWar and Rutterkin.

Fans who have gotten their COVID-19 jabs and can show proof of vaccination can pick up the discounted tickets for $18. Those who have not will face an upcharge dubbed the “no-vax tax” for $999.999.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 30, 2021, 08:32:22 pm
https://m.jpost.com/health-science/10-serious-covid-patients-given-israeli-drug-leave-hospital-in-one-day-669564
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 02, 2021, 02:24:53 pm
Anheuser-Busch to give away free alcohol if US hits President Biden's goal of 70% of adults with at least one Covid vaccine shot by July 4

The company said in a news release that if the US reaches that goal, "Anheuser-Busch will buy America's next round of beer, seltzer, non-alcoholic beverage or other A-B product." It instructs those 21 and up to upload a picture of themselves at their favorite bar or restaurant and enter to win.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 02, 2021, 02:40:25 pm
Anheuser-Busch to give away free alcohol if US hits President Biden's goal of 70% of adults with at least one Covid vaccine shot by July 4

The company said in a news release that if the US reaches that goal, "Anheuser-Busch will buy America's next round of beer, seltzer, non-alcoholic beverage or other A-B product." It instructs those 21 and up to upload a picture of themselves at their favorite bar or restaurant and enter to win.


You have to enter a contest to win a single serving of Budweiser (and there are only winners if we hit 70% but July 4, which we won't?)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 02, 2021, 02:42:37 pm
I dunno...beer, guns and money sounds like the American dream. Or is that a Warren Zevon song?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 02, 2021, 03:07:30 pm
X
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 02, 2021, 03:15:12 pm
X

The band or the letter?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 02, 2021, 03:31:12 pm
X
mark's the spot
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 02, 2021, 03:39:10 pm
I think X is technically considered an upper, isn't it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 02, 2021, 04:46:24 pm
I think X is technically considered an upper, isn't it?

only if you're a 40-something year old undercover narc trying to pass yourself off as a cool kid.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 03, 2021, 01:58:31 pm
First time at the gym w/o a mask and it felt like

(https://media.giphy.com/media/vCJrwYGBQlbdS/giphy.gif)



Get yr vax, folx!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 03, 2021, 02:01:39 pm
First time at the gym w/o a mask and it felt like
like...team USA ;)

he does have the best name for a sprinter
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 03, 2021, 03:33:38 pm
Maryland closing its mass-vaccination sites in coming weeks (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-closes-vaccine-sites/2021/06/03/473b48a8-c48a-11eb-93f5-ee9558eecf4b_story.html?itid=lk_fullstory)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 03, 2021, 06:01:00 pm
VA is about 2 weeks away from hitting 70% of eligible citizens getting at least one dose of vaccine.
DC is about 10 days away.
MD is already there.

See Which States Are Falling Behind Biden’s Vaccination Goal  (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/03/us/virus-vaccine-states.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 03, 2021, 06:21:11 pm
ya somehow skipped that your state is #1 and only 3 days away!
(https://i.giphy.com/media/p6eCHsXxFdAI0/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on June 04, 2021, 01:29:17 pm
So West Virginia's "keep it simple stupid" plan did not reach 70% but CA's difficult equitable distribution plan did?

Jules - I await your apology. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 04, 2021, 03:14:37 pm
So West Virginia's "keep it simple stupid" plan did not reach 70% but CA's difficult equitable distribution plan did?

Jules - I await your apology.
Youre too smart for this. The final percentages were never what we were talking about. They got out of the gate quicker than CA for exactly the reasons I said. The increased efficiency of their system was never going to lead to more people wanting to get vaxxed there then CA and neither I nor anyone said it would.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on June 04, 2021, 07:45:23 pm
Youre too smart for this. The final percentages were never what we were talking about. They got out of the gate quicker than CA for exactly the reasons I said. The increased efficiency of their system was never going to lead to more people wanting to get vaxxed there then CA and neither I nor anyone said it would.

Apology accepted.

CA's was a supply issue.  West Virginia's was a "stupid" issue. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 07:59:20 am
It only took me a few hours in NYC over the weekend to completely become a Yada about the overzealousness of masking requirements and some people's lack of applied science..

My wife and I are fully vaccinated, and my daughter was 21 days past her first Pfizer (got #2 yesterday.) Despite that, most stores and eateries made all of us don masks to enter. Other Half even collected our contact tracing information.

We went to visit an old friend and his family. They were in the process of moving from one second/third world country to another, and had a two month stopover in NYC to get vaccinated. Friend and wife are fully vaccinated and daughter had shot #2 on Friday. In spite of that, they forced us to wait over an hour for the opportunity to sit outside in the 90 degree heat instead of instantly getting a table inside in the AC. While doing that, my friend guzzled four glasses of wine (which we basically paid for since we split the bill between families and they had the more expensive food total to begin with), and their family insisted on wearing masks the entire time we stood outdoors, making it hard to hear them. They even wore the masks the entire time we were at the table, sometimes even putting the masks back on to pause between bites mid-meal.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 08, 2021, 08:16:47 am
I hate to be the one to break it to you Space, but these aren't your people.

Do you think they were extremely risk averse because if in the unlikely event (i.e., 0% - 5% chance) that they contracted COVID-19, their plans to uproot their lives and start over in a new country would effectively be canceled, and they'd be stuck in New York without a place to live, jobs, schools etc?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 08, 2021, 09:18:23 am
It only took me a few hours in NYC over the weekend to completely become a Yada about the overzealousness of masking requirements and some people's lack of applied science..

My wife and I are fully vaccinated, and my daughter was 21 days past her first Pfizer (got #2 yesterday.) Despite that, most stores and eateries made all of us don masks to enter. Other Half even collected our contact tracing information.

We went to visit an old friend and his family. They were in the process of moving from one second/third world country to another, and had a two month stopover in NYC to get vaccinated. Friend and wife are fully vaccinated and daughter had shot #2 on Friday. In spite of that, they forced us to wait over an hour for the opportunity to sit outside in the 90 degree heat instead of instantly getting a table inside in the AC. While doing that, my friend guzzled four glasses of wine (which we basically paid for since we split the bill between families and they had the more expensive food total to begin with), and their family insisted on wearing masks the entire time we stood outdoors, making it hard to hear them. They even wore the masks the entire time we were at the table, sometimes even putting the masks back on to pause between bites mid-meal.

This is the content I come here for.

Cla$$ic F'QN $pace!

A+
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 09:59:51 am
I hate to be the one to break it to you Space, but these aren't your people.

Do you think they were extremely risk averse because if in the unlikely event (i.e., 0% - 5% chance) that they contracted COVID-19, their plans to uproot their lives and start over in a new country would effectively be canceled, and they'd be stuck in New York without a place to live, jobs, schools etc?

NYC is averaging 80 cases per day in a city of 8.4 million. Four of us were fully vaccinated and two nearly so. Where are you getting 5% from?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 08, 2021, 10:10:06 am
Your friends are obviously still holding on a bit too tight to go out

They either are lying to themselves about their comfort with going out or felt pressured - by circumstances- to meet up

People really need to go with what they are comfortable and just be honest

NYC must be seriously suffering covid PTSD.. no place in the world probably got hit harder.. so it’s understandable on a human level even if not on a science level..people are not computers



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 08, 2021, 10:10:26 am
Vaccines are generally considered 95% effective in preventing infection.

NYC is averaging 80 new cases per day. All of the newly diagnosed cases have been infected for 3-10 days prior to the onset of symptoms. The number of currently infected is unknown. The number of currently infected at the restaurant you went to - whether they know it or not - is also unknown.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 08, 2021, 10:12:32 am
Speaking of Covid, an old co worker of mine died in Richmond two weeks ago of covid.

46 years old.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 08, 2021, 10:18:31 am
^ that sucks yada, sorry to hear that
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 08, 2021, 10:18:38 am
Speaking of Covid, an old co worker of mine died in Richmond two weeks ago of covid.

46 years old.

This.

But some would say that the numbers are so low that it doesn't matter.

I'm sorry for your loss, Yada.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 08, 2021, 10:20:05 am
Speaking of Covid, an old co worker of mine died in Richmond two weeks ago of covid.

46 years old.

This.

But some would say that the numbers are so low that it doesn't matter.

I'm sorry for your loss, Yada.

What sucks, is he missed the vax because he waited in line (seriously).

Caught in in early April, battled it for a few weeks, got better, sick again and in the hospital and gone... F'd up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 08, 2021, 10:24:20 am
...they forced us to wait over an hour for the opportunity to sit outside in the 90 degree heat instead of instantly getting a table inside in the AC.

...and their family insisted on wearing masks the entire time we stood outdoors, making it hard to hear them.

I'm so sorry you were inconvenienced by other people's masks. You should make better choices with who you choose to interact with.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 08, 2021, 10:24:37 am
I flew this weekend from NYtoDCA and they didn't ask for a vaccine card
you were supposed to fill out the covid form and had to wear a mask from the entry of airport, on plane and until exit of airport (well it was ok to take it off in restaurants and if you were eating while waiting)
I'd say it was pretty close to 100% compliance

@WSJ
Airlines are battling a scourge of passengers traveling with falsified Covid-19 health certificates, with test results easy to manipulate. Because of that, vaccine cards may be coming.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 10:26:21 am
Speaking of Covid, an old co worker of mine died in Richmond two weeks ago of covid.

46 years old.

This.

But some would say that the numbers are so low that it doesn't matter.

I'm sorry for your loss, Yada.

If you're vaccinated, the numbers are so low that it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 08, 2021, 10:27:40 am
dude, I think it's time to leave your crassness at the door
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 08, 2021, 11:04:11 am
Yes, it matters when someone dies. Of course. It also does necessarily “matter” enough to impact public policy any longer. How do people not get this?

It’s really sad if a kid drowns to death in a bucket. It’s also not reason to ban buckets. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 08, 2021, 11:10:13 am
Space wasn't complaining about public policy. Space was complaining about other people's personal risk tolerance. Space was also complaining about the price of wine in NYC and his gradual hearing loss.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 11:12:10 am
Space wasn't complaining about public policy. Space was complaining about other people's personal risk tolerance. Space was also complaining about the price of wine in NYC and his gradual hearing loss.

I thought public policy is that if you're fully vaccinated, you don't have to wear a mask indoors?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 08, 2021, 11:13:04 am
Space wasn't complaining about public policy. Space was complaining about other people's personal risk tolerance. Space was also complaining about the price of wine in NYC and his gradual hearing loss.

Hey, when Space is ready to move on, it's time to move on!!!!

He was bitching about people not wearing masks in giant open football fields less than a month ago, but now he's ready to drink $12 pints at craft beer bars in Brooklyn, so time to move on people!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 11:20:49 am
Space wasn't complaining about public policy. Space was complaining about other people's personal risk tolerance. Space was also complaining about the price of wine in NYC and his gradual hearing loss.

Hey, when Space is ready to move on, it's time to move on!!!!

He was bitching about people not wearing masks in giant open football fields less than a month ago, but now he's ready to drink $12 pints at craft beer bars in Brooklyn, so time to move on people!!!!

The seven day average is down 65% from a month ago (probably 95%+ from a few months ago), and CDC guidance has changed in that time. You yourself were advocating for the option to go maskless if you're fully vaccinated. Are you now against vaccinated people having the option to go maskless indoors?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 08, 2021, 11:23:50 am
Space wasn't complaining about public policy. Space was complaining about other people's personal risk tolerance. Space was also complaining about the price of wine in NYC and his gradual hearing loss.

Hey, when Space is ready to move on, it's time to move on!!!!

He was bitching about people not wearing masks in giant open football fields less than a month ago, but now he's ready to drink $12 pints at craft beer bars in Brooklyn, so time to move on people!!!!

The seven day average is down 65% from a month ago (probably 95%+ from a few months ago), and CDC guidance has changed in that time. You yourself were advocating for the option to go maskless if you're fully vaccinated. Are you now against vaccinated people having the option to go maskless indoors?

I still wear masks indoors.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 11:28:12 am
Space wasn't complaining about public policy. Space was complaining about other people's personal risk tolerance. Space was also complaining about the price of wine in NYC and his gradual hearing loss.

Hey, when Space is ready to move on, it's time to move on!!!!

He was bitching about people not wearing masks in giant open football fields less than a month ago, but now he's ready to drink $12 pints at craft beer bars in Brooklyn, so time to move on people!!!!

The seven day average is down 65% from a month ago (probably 95%+ from a few months ago), and CDC guidance has changed in that time. You yourself were advocating for the option to go maskless if you're fully vaccinated. Are you now against vaccinated people having the option to go maskless indoors?

I still wear masks indoors.

So do I, but I think the choice should be mine.

Do you also avoid eating indoors?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 08, 2021, 11:29:35 am
Space wasn't complaining about public policy. Space was complaining about other people's personal risk tolerance. Space was also complaining about the price of wine in NYC and his gradual hearing loss.

Hey, when Space is ready to move on, it's time to move on!!!!

He was bitching about people not wearing masks in giant open football fields less than a month ago, but now he's ready to drink $12 pints at craft beer bars in Brooklyn, so time to move on people!!!!

The seven day average is down 65% from a month ago (probably 95%+ from a few months ago), and CDC guidance has changed in that time. You yourself were advocating for the option to go maskless if you're fully vaccinated. Are you now against vaccinated people having the option to go maskless indoors?

I still wear masks indoors.

So do I, but I think the choice should be mine.

Do you also avoid eating indoors?

No, I've been supporting my local Wheaton establishments and dining indoors for months, but I don't complain about their rules they have in place.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 08, 2021, 11:31:19 am
I'm beginning to think that you were really just annoyed with your former friend, and you're blaming COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 11:34:00 am
Space wasn't complaining about public policy. Space was complaining about other people's personal risk tolerance. Space was also complaining about the price of wine in NYC and his gradual hearing loss.

Hey, when Space is ready to move on, it's time to move on!!!!

He was bitching about people not wearing masks in giant open football fields less than a month ago, but now he's ready to drink $12 pints at craft beer bars in Brooklyn, so time to move on people!!!!

The seven day average is down 65% from a month ago (probably 95%+ from a few months ago), and CDC guidance has changed in that time. You yourself were advocating for the option to go maskless if you're fully vaccinated. Are you now against vaccinated people having the option to go maskless indoors?

I still wear masks indoors.

So do I, but I think the choice should be mine.

Do you also avoid eating indoors?

No, I've been supporting my local Wheaton establishments and dining indoors for months, but I don't complain about their rules they have in place.

And I wonder aloud why your local establishments create rules that don't follow CDC guidance.

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-lifts-indoor-mask-guidance-for-vaccinated-people-you-can-shed-your-mask-184707179.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on June 08, 2021, 11:36:20 am
I'm beginning to think that you were really just annoyed with your former friend, and you're blaming COVID.

I'm guessing the guy doesn't even like Space and they were both drug along to brunch begrudgingly by their wives who they also both don't like.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 08, 2021, 11:37:47 am
 ;D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 11:40:15 am
I'm beginning to think that you were really just annoyed with your former friend, and you're blaming COVID.

I'm guessing the guy doesn't even like Space and they were both drug along to brunch begrudgingly by their wives who they also both don't like.

If you think my wife wants to go to brunch with people she doesn't know, you don't really know my wife's level of introvertedness.

It's possible the guy doesn't like me.  He said he hasn't had a conversation with his own brother for over five years "because we had a terrible time the last time we saw them." Though he was the one who reached out to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 08, 2021, 11:41:30 am
And I wonder aloud why your local establishments create rules that don't follow CDC guidance.

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-lifts-indoor-mask-guidance-for-vaccinated-people-you-can-shed-your-mask-184707179.html (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-lifts-indoor-mask-guidance-for-vaccinated-people-you-can-shed-your-mask-184707179.html)

And I wonder why you think that CDC edicts are binding for local municipalities and private businesses.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 11:45:53 am
And I wonder aloud why your local establishments create rules that don't follow CDC guidance.

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-lifts-indoor-mask-guidance-for-vaccinated-people-you-can-shed-your-mask-184707179.html (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-lifts-indoor-mask-guidance-for-vaccinated-people-you-can-shed-your-mask-184707179.html)

And I wonder why you think that CDC edicts are binding for local municipalities and private businesses.

Were you cool with it when the governor of Florida and other Florida businesses were ignoring CDC edicts and making their own rules?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 08, 2021, 11:48:45 am
I think Florida and the like made the wrong decision, but I believe they should have the authority to do so. CDC should be (is?) in an advisory role.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 11:53:19 am
I think Florida and the like made the wrong decision, but I believe they should have the authority to do so. CDC should be (is?) in an advisory role.

And I think local businesses have the right to make the wrong decision about requiring vaccinated people to wear masks.

Just as I have the right to bitch about their poor decision making skills. Just like I did (from afar) about Florida's bad decisions.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 08, 2021, 11:55:47 am
I don’t think you realize how you sound...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 08, 2021, 12:10:15 pm
I'm beginning to think that you were really just annoyed with your former friend, and you're blaming COVID.

I'm guessing the guy doesn't even like Space and they were both drug along to brunch begrudgingly by their wives who they also both don't like.
POTW
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 02:13:33 pm
When my wife goes back to the office in July, will it become my responsibility to yell at my kid when she does stupid shit?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on June 08, 2021, 02:23:53 pm
who's gonna yell at you?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 08, 2021, 02:29:10 pm
who's gonna yell at you?
I think we at the board can fill that gap
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 02:44:35 pm
who's gonna yell at you?
I think we at the board can fill that gap

POTW. I'm sure you guys will come through like the champs that you are!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 08, 2021, 03:32:14 pm
NYC must be seriously suffering covid PTSD.. no place in the world probably got hit harder..

Milan would like to have a word with you... several cities in India will wait their turn to go after.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 03:39:03 pm
NYC must be seriously suffering covid PTSD.. no place in the world probably got hit harder..

Milan would like to have a word with you... several cities in India will wait their turn to go after.

Lombardy Region
population: 10.1 million
COVID deaths: 33K

NYC
population: 8.4 million
COVID deaths: 33K
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2021, 04:16:07 pm
(1) Personal preferences and you should have cleared that up BEFORE agreeing to lunch with that couple.  This is going to go on for a while.  He's clearly not alone in his stance if you had to wait over an hour for a table outdoors while there was plenty of available seating indoors.

(2) CDC is advisory, local jurisdictions have authority.  You're going to LOVE CA if you don't want to wear a mask indoors or in businesses (before July 31, and depending on which part of the state)...don't like it?  Shop, eat, visit elsewhere....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 04:29:55 pm
(1) Personal preferences and you should have cleared that up BEFORE agreeing to lunch with that couple.  This is going to go on for a while.  He's clearly not alone in his stance if you had to wait over an hour for a table outdoors while there was plenty of available seating indoors.

(2) CDC is advisory, local jurisdictions have authority.  You're going to LOVE CA if you don't want to wear a mask indoors or in businesses (before July 31, and depending on which part of the state)...don't like it?  Shop, eat, visit elsewhere....

1. It's not 90 degrees where I'll be eating in California, so I'll have no issues eating outdoors in California. Whereas I would have preferred indoors in NYC on a weekend of near record breaking temps. Also, there was far more indoor seating than outdoor, so that may have had something to do with the wait.

1a. Also, for the record, I spent much of that hour+ driving around looking for parking (We were going to check in to the hotel and Uber, but my friend INSISTED that they were STARVING and they had to eat at 7 or we could just wait until tomorrow. and then we ended up eating after 8 anyway because, well I guess they weren't starving after all...so we had to drive straight there.)
So it was actually my introverted wife and daughter who were forced to make conversation with fully masked mumbly people they don't really know outdoors who were doing most of the bitching about the wait, and I'm simply backing them up.

2. If the outdoor seating is full, I don't have a problem with wearing a mask until I am seated at my table. That is what I've always done for indoor our outdoor.

3. Others in my family tend to prefer online shopping and we don't have the suitcase space to bring home much, so it's quite likely we won't be doing any shopping in California. But if we do, I already said that we all still choose to wear masks in stores. I simply said I think it's stupid at this point to require vaccinated people to do so.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 08, 2021, 04:46:16 pm
(1) Personal preferences and you should have cleared that up BEFORE agreeing to lunch with that couple.  This is going to go on for a while.  He's clearly not alone in his stance if you had to wait over an hour for a table outdoors while there was plenty of available seating indoors.

(2) CDC is advisory, local jurisdictions have authority.  You're going to LOVE CA if you don't want to wear a mask indoors or in businesses (before July 31, and depending on which part of the state)...don't like it?  Shop, eat, visit elsewhere....

Also, are you sure about your #2?

https://laist.com/news/health/california-employees-keep-masks-handy-past-june-15

California is set to roll back most of its coronavirus rules, including the public mask mandate on June 15. But it looks like many of us will keep wearing them past that date — at work.

Masks would be required for all employees if anyone in the room is not fully vaccinated. At a restaurant, a patron could be unmasked but the server would be masked. (Businesses will still be able to require all customers to be masked.)

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2021, 05:40:34 pm

Also, are you sure about your #2?


Yes, and not just because because Cal/Osha has muddied the waters, though the Governor may not adopt their rules anyway.  They are still leaving it to businesses to decide patron implementation, and not every business is going to go to no mask in CA, particularly in the northern part, absent a strategy to determine who is vaccinated and who isn't.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2021, 05:44:29 pm
In spite of that, they forced us to wait over an hour for the opportunity to sit outside in the 90 degree heat instead of instantly getting a table inside in the AC.

1a. Also, for the record, I spent much of that hour+ driving around looking for parking (We were going to check in to the hotel and Uber, but my friend INSISTED that they were STARVING and they had to eat at 7 or we could just wait until tomorrow. and then we ended up eating after 8 anyway because, well I guess they weren't starving after all...so we had to drive straight there.)
So it was actually my introverted wife and daughter who were forced to make conversation with fully masked mumbly people they don't really know outdoors who were doing most of the bitching about the wait, and I'm simply backing them up.

Slowly we peel the onion...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 09, 2021, 07:38:48 am
looking good VA!
@GovernorVA
Today yesterday Virginia is reporting:
68.2% of adults have at least one vaccine dose
5th lowest case count per capita of any state
Record low 7-day positivity rate of 2.1%
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2021, 06:57:42 am
San Francisco might be the first major U.S. city to reach herd immunity
As of Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 69% of San Francisco residents were said be fully vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2021, 07:40:19 am
How low do we need to be to reach herd immunity?

Fairfax County has a population of 1.14 million and the seven day average is five cases per day. New York Times say those vaccinated are at "minimal risk." Presumably whether we wear a mask or not.

Went to the welcome to high school meeting yesterday for parents in an auditorium big enough to do the six foot distancing and we still were forced to wear a mask. That was the longest I've worn a mask since the pandemic began. Glad my kid didn't have to go to school masked, and pray it won't be required in the Fall.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 10, 2021, 11:43:13 am
Can indoor concerts ever be safe again? (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/10/health/covid-indoor-concerts-wellness/index.html)

I long for the day when we can go back to mosh pits, hearing loss, overdoses, carelessly thrown bottles and muggings.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2021, 11:58:58 am
Can indoor concerts ever be safe again? (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/10/health/covid-indoor-concerts-wellness/index.html)

I long for the day when we can go back to mosh pits, hearing loss, overdoses, carelessly thrown bottles and muggings.

Fully vaccinated and  healthy, I don't care what the vaccination status is of my fellow indoor concert attendees. Just don't hit me with your beer bottle.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 10, 2021, 12:07:32 pm
 :o
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 11, 2021, 01:15:39 pm
San Francisco might be the first major U.S. city to reach herd immunity
As of Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 69% of San Francisco residents were said be fully vaccinated.


seattle was first to hit 70%, but that isn't enough for herd immunity because there are more children than in SF.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 14, 2021, 02:15:51 pm
Vermont state becomes first to reach 80 percent vaccinated
take that Washington, who's #1 now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on June 14, 2021, 10:03:27 pm
 Get vaccinated at Oriole Park, score 2 free game tickets  (https://www.wbaltv.com/article/get-vaccinated-oriole-park-2-free-game-tickets/36715785#)

 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2021, 02:47:45 pm
Unvaccinated Missourians fuel COVID: ‘We will be the canary’ (https://apnews.com/article/mo-state-wire-michael-brown-coronavirus-pandemic-health-89fa995c59397228d8d56e1ab45890ab?)

Might want to skip your plans to visit Missouri this summer
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2021, 03:01:26 pm
That state has lost its way


Very sad
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 23, 2021, 03:07:08 pm
Unvaccinated Missourians fuel COVID: ‘We will be the canary’ (https://apnews.com/article/mo-state-wire-michael-brown-coronavirus-pandemic-health-89fa995c59397228d8d56e1ab45890ab?)

Might want to skip your plans to visit Missouri this summer

A state I don't think I've ever been to. I don't understand the paragraph, copied below. If you're not a southern county, wouldn't you be a northern county by default? What else is there?


While over 53% of all Americans have received at least one shot, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, most southern and northern Missouri counties are well short of 40%. One county is at just 13%.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2021, 03:09:24 pm
We need a follow up to what’s the matter with Kansas

What’s the matter with Missouri
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 23, 2021, 03:58:50 pm
What's a matta you? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2021, 04:10:51 pm
If you're not a southern county, wouldn't you be a northern county by default? What else is there?
you never heard of mid-Missouri counties
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/682px-Map_of_Missouri_highlighting_Mid-Missouri.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 24, 2021, 12:08:48 pm
If you're not a southern county, wouldn't you be a northern county by default? What else is there?
you never heard of mid-Missouri counties

in all seriousness, MO can be divided horizontally: the KC-to-STL corridor (AKA I-70) splits the state into north, central (KC-to-STL) and south belts/zones/etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2021, 02:58:31 pm
Red states are dangerous for your health  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/24/red-america-is-dangerous-your-health/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

guess you need to make your summer plans align with your political persuasion
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2021, 09:48:20 am
Olympics to be held without spectators as Tokyo enters state of emergency
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2021, 10:12:57 am
not sure of the veracity of this, but makes sense:
If you're hesitating to get the vaccine, you should know that in Maryland, every single person who died of COVID-19 last month was unvaccinated. This is Darwinism and natural selection at work. .


Source
https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-unvaccinated-coronavirus-deaths-maryland-june-20210707-7zugtntgifg4pomlrjy4lmjhnq-story.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 20, 2021, 04:50:35 pm
My unvaccinated 80 year old mom left a message that she's glad we made it back ok from California. She was worried the whole time about losing us in an earthquake. Sigh.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 20, 2021, 04:54:00 pm
My unvaccinated 80 year old mom left a message that she's glad we made it back ok from California. She was worried the whole time about losing us in an earthquake.
Inappropriate LOLs from me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2021, 04:56:44 pm
speaking of CA ...I was reading today that LA is pretty much going back on lockdown
los angeles reinstituted mask mandate indoors despite vaccine status

we may not be going to all the shows we are buying tickets for...


this thread scared the be-jeabus out of me
https://twitter.com/benFranklin2018/status/1416034350190243843
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 20, 2021, 05:03:21 pm
da fuq?

SEAN HANNITY: "Please take Covid seriously. I can't say it enough. Enough people have died. We don't need any more death. Research like crazy. Talk to your doctor... I believe in science. I believe in the science of vaccination."

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1417301374245687296 (https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1417301374245687296)

someone posited that hannity's lawyers told him to switch tack - wouldn't want to be liable for preventable deaths... better late than never?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2021, 05:08:22 pm
^I thought for sure that was a deep fake the first time I saw it...I was like, there is no way someone on Fox is saying this

I heard fox staff have to comply with a 'vaccine passport' to come back to work...as the same time their news has been screaming about the evil passports that are pretty much the same as the holocaust
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 20, 2021, 05:11:12 pm
It was also pointed out the sudden shift at faux news could be attributed to the market wobbling due to increased cases because of the delta variant… don’t want those rich people taking to many hits on their net worth
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2021, 05:15:20 pm
It was also pointed out the sudden shift at faux news could be attributed to the market wobbling due to increased cases because of the delta variant… don’t want those rich people taking to many hits on their net worth
Does Julian's America's representative want to weigh in here
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 20, 2021, 05:27:55 pm
They play for credibility every once in a while

Like Trump did


People fall for it and they get great copy
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 20, 2021, 07:21:35 pm
speaking of CA ...I was reading today that LA is pretty much going back on lockdown
los angeles reinstituted mask mandate indoors despite vaccine status

we may not be going to all the shows we are buying tickets for...


this thread scared the be-jeabus out of me
https://twitter.com/benFranklin2018/status/1416034350190243843

Fck that, I'm vaccinated. Vaccination prevents hospitalization.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 20, 2021, 08:44:34 pm
Also, nearly 100% of new COVID deaths are of Republicans and Fox News watchers. Their 180 turn is just self-preservation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 20, 2021, 10:12:44 pm
Also, nearly 100% of new COVID deaths are of Republicans and Fox News watchers. Their 180 turn is just self-preservation.
So this is how we even out all the new voting laws the enacted ?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 21, 2021, 10:29:26 am
My unvaccinated 80 year old mom left a message that she's glad we made it back ok from California. She was worried the whole time about losing us in an earthquake.
Inappropriate LOLs from me.

Uneducated Americans live anecdotally, not scientifically.

My mom lives in the same town as my brother, his wife, his wife's sister, and his wife's sister's teenage son (did I get the grammar right on all that?). The teenage son is one of the handful of teenage boys nationally who had a big negative reaction to the vaccine. Things were touch and go for a while, and he was in the hospital for a week. (My brother's wife actually had the illness that the vaccine caused in the kid a couple of years ago, pre-Covid, so it's probably some kind of genetic predisposition in their family...my mom is not blood related to either of them.)

My mom observes that, and she has newly found fuel as to why she will never get the vaccine. Never mind that she witnesses something with incredibly low odds. Never mind that that something was occurring in teenage boys and not elderly women. Never mind that the Covid death rate for her age group is over 10%. She saw with her own eyes the harm that the vaccine does (and doesn't personally know anyone who was seriously ill or died from Covid.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 21, 2021, 10:34:08 am
OK, but where did her fear of Earthquakes come from.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 21, 2021, 10:53:19 am
OK, but where did her fear of Earthquakes come from.

You don't know about California sitting on fault lines? Talk to my geologist brother.

There was a 6.0 earthquake less than three hours from where we were floating in a lake on July 8. (We didn't feel a thing.)

https://abc7news.com/earthquake-south-lake-tahoe-ca-quake-california-nevada/10872760/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on July 21, 2021, 05:29:43 pm
OK, but where did her fear of Earthquakes come from.

There was a 6.0 earthquake less than three hours from where we were floating in a lake on July 8. (We didn't feel a thing.)

You missed a good one.  Felt all the way in SF.....

I should also point out that there was zero damage, zero injuries and thus basically a non-event.  But if it keeps the crazies out of CA, your mom is correct - THEY ARE THE WORST THING EVAH!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on July 21, 2021, 05:39:55 pm
Also, nearly 100% of new COVID deaths are of Republicans and Fox News watchers. Their 180 turn is just self-preservation.

Great read on that here:  https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/07/17/the-republican-anti-vax-delusion


"The problem looks even worse—politically, economically and health-wise—where such voters are concentrated. Vaccination rates are lowest wherever Donald Trump romped to victory last November. In Tennessee, where he won 61% of the vote, 43% have had a first dose. In Ohio, a more divided state with a pragmatic governor in Mike DeWine, it is a slightly more hopeful 48%. But in the most conservative Ohioan counties, the rate plummets. In Holmes County where the former president won 83% of the vote, 15% of people have had a first dose. The chances of succumbing to the virus in such places is correspondingly high; 99% of America’s recent covid-19 fatalities had not been vaccinated."

"Fox News’s biggest star [Tucker Carlson] calls a Biden administration effort to step up local vaccination campaigns “the greatest scandal in my lifetime."

"This extreme politicisation has encouraged vaccine-hesitant Republicans to dig in. To be conservative is now to a great degree to be against covid-19 vaccination.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on July 21, 2021, 05:42:35 pm
speaking of CA ...I was reading today that LA is pretty much going back on lockdown
los angeles reinstituted mask mandate indoors despite vaccine status

we may not be going to all the shows we are buying tickets for...

SF is merely "recommending" face coverings, and is considering checking vaccine status at the door to enter establishments instead of requiring face coverings:

https://www.sfgate.com/bars/article/San-Francisco-bars-vaccine-card-requirement-16327840.php
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 22, 2021, 10:01:02 pm
Over 12,000 new cases in Florida


Did nobody get vaccinated there?


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 22, 2021, 10:45:32 pm
Pfizer vaccine second dose has ‘sweet spot’ after eight weeks, UK scientists say (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/23/pfizer-vaccine-second-dose-has-sweet-spot-after-eight-weeks-uk-scientists-say?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1627007643)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 23, 2021, 03:16:51 am
Over 12,000 new cases in Florida

Did nobody get vaccinated there?

"This week, just three states Florida, Texas and Missouri, three states with lower vaccination rates accounted for 40 percent of all cases nationwide" (https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html)


lotta folks watching the fox news in ol' FL...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 23, 2021, 10:23:07 am
Arlo Parks tests positive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on July 23, 2021, 10:25:17 am
Arlo Parks tests positive

LoL. Maybe she should get vaxxed?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 23, 2021, 10:36:49 am
Arlo Parks tests positive

LoL. Maybe she should get vaxxed?

Likely, but there are a scary number of breakthrough cases showing up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2021, 10:41:20 am
Arlo Parks tests positive

LoL. Maybe she should get vaxxed?
haven't heard she was against that?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6_HggVXsAQZkVg?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2021, 10:49:05 am
Over 12,000 new cases in Florida

Did nobody get vaccinated there?

"This week, just three states Florida, Texas and Missouri, three states with lower vaccination rates accounted for 40 percent of all cases nationwide" (https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html)


lotta folks watching the fox news in ol' FL...
kinda wondering if people in FL were now wishing Flordia had been Fauci'ed
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/dont-fauci-my-florida-gov-ron-desantis-selling-koozies-spoof-merchandise/2494318/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2021, 11:37:30 am
Arlo Parks tests positive

LoL. Maybe she should get vaxxed?

Likely, but there are a scary number of breakthrough cases showing up.

So when a black person gets it, they're a breakthrough case, and when a white person gets it, they're a Fox News watcher?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 23, 2021, 11:40:51 am
Exactly.  I'm so glad you understand.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on July 23, 2021, 11:42:22 am
Arlo Parks tests positive

LoL. Maybe she should get vaxxed?

Likely, but there are a scary number of breakthrough cases showing up.

So when a black person gets it, they're a breakthrough case, and when a white person gets it, they're a Fox News watcher?

Lolwut
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on July 23, 2021, 11:55:49 am
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRrOiMdBegP/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on July 23, 2021, 01:21:54 pm
Getting concerned about #52in52
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 23, 2021, 01:23:37 pm
Don’t say that man… am trying to ignore the signs..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2021, 01:34:45 pm
Don’t say that man… am trying to ignore the signs..

Vaccines work.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 23, 2021, 02:17:25 pm
Any of you see Ragnar Kjartansson’s exhibit at the Hirshhorn several years ago? Probably best remembered by Woman in E.

(https://insider.si.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/32050527542_5f034980f9_k.jpg)


One of the other works is getting new attention:

How a legendary, week-long house party produced an unlikely artistic triumph (https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/interactive/2021/the-visitors-ragnar-kjartansson-oral-history/)

Several musicians recorded “The Visitors” for a video installation that was hailed as a masterpiece when it appeared in 2012. But the past 18 months have recast the work as a prescient mirror for our current moment.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2021, 05:00:24 pm
Over 12,000 new cases in Florida

Did nobody get vaccinated there?

"This week, just three states Florida, Texas and Missouri, three states with lower vaccination rates accounted for 40 percent of all cases nationwide" (https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html)


lotta folks watching the fox news in ol' FL...


As of July 19:

Percent white people vaxxed in Florida: 51% (higher than DC, same as WA)
Percent Latino people vaxxed in Florida: 42%
Percent black people vaxxed in Florida: 26%

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2021, 05:03:39 pm
those numbers don't really work

Florida Demographics
According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Florida was:

White: 75.12%
Black or African American: 16.07%
Other race: 2.99%
Two or more races: 2.74%
Asian: 2.73%
Native American: 0.28%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.06%
https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/florida-population


Kinda weird they don't break down Latio in this?  when it says somewhere else that Florida: 5.66 million Latinos
Florida Population 2021
21,944,577

So that would make latino 25%



Wonder what the breakdown is of those 12k cases reported?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 23, 2021, 05:06:55 pm
those numbers don't really work

dude, we're trying to be racially divisive here.  don't muck it up with science and math.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 23, 2021, 05:15:24 pm
You have got to be kidding me

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2021, 05:24:18 pm
You have got to be kidding me

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

Calm your nerves with this one.


https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/pfizer-vaccine-is-88-effective-against-delta-covid-variant-u-k-study-finds-1.10018272
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on July 23, 2021, 05:25:24 pm
those numbers don't really work

Kinda weird they don't break down Latio in this? 

The census has separated the question of Hispanic/Latino/Chicano from the actual race question since the 1930 census at the request of some mexican interest groups.

Question number 8: Is this person of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin (of any race)?
Question Number 9: What is this person's race?

So they took their dataset from the race question.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2021, 05:29:15 pm
those numbers don't really work

Florida Demographics
According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Florida was:

White: 75.12%
Black or African American: 16.07%
Other race: 2.99%
Two or more races: 2.74%
Asian: 2.73%
Native American: 0.28%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.06%
https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/florida-population


Kinda weird they don't break down Latio in this?  when it says somewhere else that Florida: 5.66 million Latinos
Florida Population 2021
21,944,577

So that would make latino 25%



Wonder what the breakdown is of those 12k cases reported?


As of July 6, for Florida:

White make up 53% of population and 37% of cases
Blacks make up 15% of population and 15% of cases
Latinos make up 27% of population and 42% of cases

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-cases-by-race-ethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2021, 07:23:05 pm
Can we please have this guy as our president?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/vaccin...b-88c5-4fd6382c47cb_story.html

People seemed to get the message. Within hours of Macron’s speech, vaccination booking platforms registered a surge in appointment requests. A record number of shots were administered in France on Tuesday, the day after the announcement.

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us.”
In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).
Macron then announced the vaccination obligation for medical personnel and for those who work in contact with fragile people. Beginning September 15, a nurse who has refused to be vaccinated will no longer be able to go to work and receive a salary.
“We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get
vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience. The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine. I am aware of what I am asking you, and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."
Emmanuel Macron
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 23, 2021, 07:45:02 pm
Ha ha as if Americans could ever be French



We got to work with what we have


Americans love money more than anything

Pay every American $ X if they are vaccinated

Problem over
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 23, 2021, 07:47:35 pm
^^ DING DING

I love the idea of restrictions and vaccine passports but they won’t be enforced. It puts the job of government agent on poor schlub working at a grocery store or restaurant for — Idk what service employees make — $63/hour?? That’s wack.

Just give people $1500 if they get vaxxed. Solved.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 23, 2021, 08:17:09 pm
^^ DING DING

I love the idea of restrictions and vaccine passports but they won’t be enforced. It puts the job of government agent on poor schlub working at a grocery store or restaurant for — Idk what service employees make — $63/hour?? That’s wack.

Just give people $1500 if they get vaxxed. Solved.

No way would my mom or sister in law be bought off for $1500. Not sure if they are typical cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 24, 2021, 06:02:25 pm
Who didn’t see this coming  ::)

DeSantis is being accused of being a sellout and taking a bride for pushing the vaccine… And you know since it’s from the likes of Michael Flynn a. Flynn already been vaccinated and b. Got to keep that grift going
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 26, 2021, 10:07:37 am
Calling it "the Trump vaccine" implies there's a disease called "Trump" and that this vaccine protects you from it.

https://twitter.com/OurBlueAmerica/status/1419388843963342851
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 26, 2021, 10:12:31 am
There is a disease called Trump


Unfortunately no vaccine yet
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 26, 2021, 12:09:12 pm
Mandatory masks for PG county public schools this fall
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 26, 2021, 12:14:44 pm
Mandatory masks for PG county public schools this fall

So we basically got our kids vaccinated for no reason.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 26, 2021, 12:17:16 pm
Mandatory masks for PG county public schools this fall

So we basically got our kids vaccinated for no reason.
Its weird that you think "the reason" to get vaccinated is to avoid wearing a mask not to avoid getting COVID (or at least avoiding the most deleterious effects of COVID).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 26, 2021, 12:20:52 pm
Mandatory masks for PG county public schools this fall

So we basically got our kids vaccinated for no reason.

the only reason you got your kid vaccinated was so that she didn't have to wear a mask?  bring back the masks and it was all for naught?


how transactional...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 26, 2021, 12:22:51 pm
^^ DING DING

I love the idea of restrictions and vaccine passports but they won’t be enforced. It puts the job of government agent on poor schlub working at a grocery store or restaurant for — Idk what service employees make — $63/hour?? That’s wack.

Just give people $1500 if they get vaxxed. Solved.

No way would my mom or sister in law be bought off for $1500. Not sure if they are typical cases.

I know you guys are waiting for the follow up on this, so here it goes.

I talked to my brother. He guilted his wife into getting her first shot two weeks ago. This in spite of her nephew almost dying from the vaccine and her blind (diabetes complications) mother having "hallucinations about getting killed by rats" due to the vaccination.

My mother is a different story. She said she's looking forward to our visit, but won't be getting the vaccine, and will have to pass on family hugs too....because "there's something very bad in the vaccine that gets into the skin of the vaccinated and they can pass it onto the unvaccinated via skin to skin contact." She also claims that she will never catch Covid "because I am naturally immune."  Furthermore, she says 45,000 people have been killed so far by the vaccine. And that she gets all of this "from the real news, not the fake news that you watch."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 26, 2021, 12:24:53 pm
Mandatory masks for PG county public schools this fall

So we basically got our kids vaccinated for no reason.
Its weird that you think "the reason" to get vaccinated is to avoid wearing a mask not to avoid getting COVID (or at least avoiding the most deleterious effects of COVID).

Well the vaccine brings the risk levels down to the extent that we don't need masks if we choose not to. Are kids basically going to be wearing masks to school forever? Because this shit isn't going away.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 26, 2021, 12:26:24 pm
Well the vaccine brings the risk levels down to the extent that we don't need masks if we choose not to.
Agreed.

Are kids basically going to be wearing masks to school forever? Because this shit isn't going away.
I imagine when all school age children can be vaccinated, that special "masks in schools" proviso will disappear.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 26, 2021, 12:34:27 pm
Well the vaccine brings the risk levels down to the extent that we don't need masks if we choose not to.
Agreed.

Are kids basically going to be wearing masks to school forever? Because this shit isn't going away.
I imagine when all school age children can be vaccinated, that special "masks in schools" proviso will disappear.

In Fairfax County, the fully vaccinated rate for 12-15 is 68%. For 16-17, it's 80%. In PG County, it's 50% for 12+. I'm hoping our willingness to get our 12+ kids vaccinated will results in a different policy than PG County.

Of course, for kids under 12, it's 0%. Yes, elementary students should full mask until they have had the opportunity to get vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 26, 2021, 12:56:17 pm
My kid is 11 and probably won’t be vaccinated by time he starts middle school


I am trying to understand a person’s mentality that gets so bent about kids having to wear masks to school…..and failing. Particularly when the delta variant is beginning to hit us and there is some lack of clarity about potential breakthrough infections, reinfections etc
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 26, 2021, 12:59:16 pm
Speaking of vaccines, got Shingrix #2 yesterday. Restless night and woke up still and achy. Got a workout in. Current boy temp 100.4. Taking my kid to get her braces off today. Wonder if I'll fall asleep waiting for them to finish.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on July 26, 2021, 01:24:22 pm
Neighbor I had tacos with last night outdoors, tested positive today for the Vid. She had the J&Jshot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 26, 2021, 01:25:08 pm
My kid is 11 and probably won’t be vaccinated by time he starts middle school


I am trying to understand a person’s mentality that gets so bent about kids having to wear masks to school…..and failing. Particularly when the delta variant is beginning to hit us and there is some lack of clarity about potential breakthrough infections, reinfections etc


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-cdc-data-reveals-how-rare-symptomatic-breakthrough-cases-seem-to-be/ar-AAMzmzN?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 26, 2021, 01:29:11 pm
Whatever

Things are still fluid


I am ok erring on the side of caution


I certainly ain’t going to get bent


Then again you got bent when they cancelled in person teaching last year, remember? Some real jewel posts Space

Trust me when I say you are the last person whose opinion on this I value. You simply have no idea what you are talking about a lot of the time
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 26, 2021, 01:33:17 pm
Then again you got bent when they cancelled in person teaching last year, remember? Some real jewel posts Space

Trust me when I say you are the last person whose opinion on this I value. You simply have no idea what you are talking about a lot of the time
(https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/2019/04/29/BabyoftheYr.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on July 26, 2021, 01:39:12 pm


 will have to pass on family hugs too....


I can't imagine many hugs are given at your family gatherings.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 26, 2021, 01:45:25 pm
Trust me when I say you are the last person whose opinion on this I value. You simply have no idea what you are talking about a lot of the time

dude.  he has different values and priorities that clearly don't align with yours.  that's ok.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 26, 2021, 01:49:58 pm
Yes his priority is whatever he thinks  is convenient for him…when the pandemic started he was livid his kid had to be schooled over the internet.. then his kid liked it and kicked ass so he was cool with it.. now his kid got vaccinated and has to go back to school and might have to wear a mask hence the outrage

It’s like dude try seeing the big picture not just your own
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 26, 2021, 01:57:18 pm
Personally I hope his kid doesn’t have to wear a mask and expect she won’t but the obsession with whatever affects oneself and utter disregard for anyone else is unseemly. Like OMG my kid might have to wear a mask?!? The horror!


My kids have had to wear masks for months and are much younger. Give me a break. It’s not a big thing


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 26, 2021, 02:08:11 pm


 will have to pass on family hugs too....


I can't imagine many hugs are given at your family gatherings.

Would you like me to insult your family?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on July 26, 2021, 02:10:36 pm


 will have to pass on family hugs too....


I can't imagine many hugs are given at your family gatherings.

Would you like me to insult your family?

I don't use this forum as a place to bitch and complain about my family life all day long, but if you can find something to insult my family about, please do...  but I'd be careful.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 26, 2021, 02:18:46 pm


 will have to pass on family hugs too....


I can't imagine many hugs are given at your family gatherings.

Would you like me to insult your family?

I don't use this forum as a place to bitch and complain about my family life all day long, but if you can find something to insult my family about, please do...  but I'd be careful.

Why would you assume that there's not lots of love and hugs in families that have issues? Lots of issues means lots of emotions, one of which is love. I'd be more concerned about the state of families with mousy wives who don't speak their mind and the husband is assumes everything is hunky Dory.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 26, 2021, 02:19:17 pm
Quote
This is such an interesting style of posting
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 27, 2021, 01:21:41 pm


 will have to pass on family hugs too....


I can't imagine many hugs are given at your family gatherings.

Would you like me to insult your family?
no, but i will make fun of both of you for your inabilities to post properly
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 27, 2021, 01:24:55 pm


 will have to pass on family hugs too....


I can't imagine many hugs are given at your family gatherings.

Would you like me to insult your family?
no, but i will make fun of both of you for your inabilities to post properly

Totally in support of that type of mocking.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 27, 2021, 03:21:07 pm
Mandatory masks for PG county public schools this fall

Montgomery County follows suit.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 27, 2021, 08:14:21 pm
Alexandra City Public Schools will not be requiring masks. Arlington will.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 27, 2021, 08:31:08 pm
Nice! Go Arlington!


Thanks Space! Good info
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on July 28, 2021, 02:19:58 pm
Alexandra City Public Schools will not be requiring masks. Arlington will.

There's a better than average chance that this decision gets reversed before the end of August.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 28, 2021, 02:23:07 pm
Alexandra City Public Schools will not be requiring masks. Arlington will.

There's a better than average chance that this decision gets reversed before the end of August.

The source that I got that from:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/coronavirus/dc-area-school-districts-deciding-whether-to-require-masks-this-fall/2745901/

has been edited to say that a decision has not yet been made (whereas before it said there would not be a mask mandate.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on July 28, 2021, 02:27:08 pm

The source that I got that from...has been edited...

OK, by the end of July then.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on July 28, 2021, 05:54:02 pm
Got my contact tracing call from Baltimore County DOH, and then went and got the swab. 2-4 days for results.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: evilizac on July 28, 2021, 06:03:58 pm
Just cancelled a birthday party because my very religious and unvaccinated aunt's very religious and unvaccinated husband (I guess my uncle) just found out that he had spent all of Monday with someone infected with Delta. My aunt spent all of yesterday with my vaccinated mother-in-law who was hosting the now aborted party. It's my birthday, my party. Happy birthday to me, lol.   

Edit... Not to make light of their possible worries, but still. Religion!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 10:14:52 am
I know at one point I was pro-choice in terms of vaccinations, but it seems like it might be time to mandate them since not enough people are making the right choice?

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-coronavirus-could-just-few-195538150.html

CDC: The coronavirus could be 'just a few mutations' away from evading vaccines
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2021, 10:19:02 am
Just esoterically, if you’re pro-choice on something until people make a different choice, you were never pro-choice.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 10:30:46 am
The federal government can mandate vaccines for federal government employees and private businesses can do so for their own employees but I don’t believe the federal government can mandate vaccines for all Americans.


In any case, at this point, if the federal government were to mandate vaccination for all Americans I believe two things would immediately happen:

1. It would be challenged in the courts and make it all the way up to the Supreme Court where it would be struck down 6-3 or worse.

2. Full civil war would break out.


Not going to happen.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 11:22:12 am
The federal government can mandate vaccines for federal government employees and private businesses can do so for their own employees but I don’t believe the federal government can mandate vaccines for all Americans.


In any case, at this point, if the federal government were to mandate vaccination for all Americans I believe two things would immediately happen:

1. It would be challenged in the courts and make it all the way up to the Supreme Court where it would be struck down 6-3 or worse.

2. Full civil war would break out.


Not going to happen.

Well thank goodness for corporate America.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/investing/companies-vaccine-requirement-delta-covid/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 29, 2021, 11:50:18 am
capitalists be like, covid is bad for business m'kay?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 29, 2021, 11:50:27 am
The federal government can mandate vaccines for federal government employees and private businesses can do so for their own employees but I don’t believe the federal government can mandate vaccines for all Americans.


In any case, at this point, if the federal government were to mandate vaccination for all Americans I believe two things would immediately happen:

1. It would be challenged in the courts and make it all the way up to the Supreme Court where it would be struck down 6-3 or worse.

2. Full civil war would break out.


Not going to happen.

Court precedent for mandatory vaccination goes back over 100 years. While the current SC is famously knuckleheaded, there's also a long tradition of upholding precedent. The only thing that could hold back a vax requirement is the fact that the vaccines have yet to get full FDA approval.

From JHU: Can COVID-19 Vaccines Be Mandatory in the U.S. and Who Decides? (https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/can-covid-19-vaccines-be-mandatory-in-the-u-s-and-who-decides.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2021, 12:23:36 pm
capitalists be like, covid is bad for business m'kay?
in the running for POTW
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on July 29, 2021, 12:43:30 pm
Julie Zauzmer
@JulieZauzmer
·
6m
News: DC will again require masks in all indoor settings, starting Saturday. Mayor Bowser’s order will apply to everyone over age 2, vaccinated or unvaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 29, 2021, 12:51:24 pm
^yikes...what's the over/under that shows scheduled from Sept on will still happen
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 12:51:58 pm
Oh no!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 12:54:18 pm
Imagine mandating vaccines in Missouri, Texas or Florida


I just don’t see it

Although I am for it I just don’t see it happening
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on July 29, 2021, 01:11:33 pm
^yikes...what's the over/under that shows scheduled from Sept on will still happen

around 55
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 01:18:32 pm
The federal government can mandate vaccines for federal government employees and private businesses can do so for their own employees but I don’t believe the federal government can mandate vaccines for all Americans.


In any case, at this point, if the federal government were to mandate vaccination for all Americans I believe two things would immediately happen:

1. It would be challenged in the courts and make it all the way up to the Supreme Court where it would be struck down 6-3 or worse.

2. Full civil war would break out.


Not going to happen.

Do you think #2 would happen if Biden mandated vaccines for the military and not just federal workers?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 01:20:17 pm
Only reason I would be worried is cause DC likes to overdo it…

I guess I might be proven wrong but I don’t believe any shows will be canceled


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 01:22:15 pm
The federal government can mandate vaccines for federal government employees and private businesses can do so for their own employees but I don’t believe the federal government can mandate vaccines for all Americans.


In any case, at this point, if the federal government were to mandate vaccination for all Americans I believe two things would immediately happen:

1. It would be challenged in the courts and make it all the way up to the Supreme Court where it would be struck down 6-3 or worse.

2. Full civil war would break out.


Not going to happen.

Do you think #2 would happen if Biden mandated vaccines for the military and not just federal workers?


I hadn’t thought of that


That is an interesting question


I want to think the military would follow orders… not sure testing it out is smart…would have to think about it and to talk to some people
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on July 29, 2021, 01:26:13 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/awp5qzi.jpeg)

This pig spotted at Phish in Arkansas last night!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 01:30:10 pm
Didn't realiZe Phish was a Christ-centered band.

Don't care that much about shows, but how long before people who are back to work are back working from home full time? And before schools go virtual agaiN?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 01:36:31 pm
Yes what do YOU care about!? Let’s focus on that…



Lots of businesses will go under and people will lose their jobs if we have to shut down again…


You are so transparent Space…it’s pathological
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 01:38:06 pm
Anyways, I hope cool heads prevail and we don’t shut it down or restrict things more… I don’t think it’s warranted
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 01:46:53 pm
Julie Zauzmer
@JulieZauzmer
·
6m
News: DC will again require masks in all indoor settings, starting Saturday. Mayor Bowser’s order will apply to everyone over age 2, vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Why doesn't Bowser mandate vaccines for all DC government workers?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 01:54:22 pm
I guess it has to do with following CDC guidelines is what I am told by my resident public health specialist
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 02:20:33 pm
Yes what do YOU care about!? Let’s focus on that…



Lots of businesses will go under and people will lose their jobs if we have to shut down again…


You are so transparent Space…it’s pathological

You're saying you object to me caring about what most directly affects me and my family than what does not? How could you object to that? Of course I'm am going to put my families' concerns above all else.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 02:32:59 pm
No dude.. it’s not just about you… there are other people involved here

Try reading Rousseau or something
Try reading the Bible too

Maybe somewhere along the line things got twisted for you and you decided it’s the law of the jungle and all that matters is you but if that’s the case don’t be posting on social boards cause with that rationale all I should care about is myself, so why would I care about you?

It’s not just about you Space…

But that’s how you look at life..with that incredibly narrow mindset…

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 02:37:46 pm
It’s kind of sad and pathetic really


Oh no my daughter might have to wear a mask! Oh no I might have to work from home instead of going to the office!


Everything filtered exclusively through the prism of how it affects YOU and only you. And we should care about you because? You evidently don’t care about anyone else.


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 02:47:20 pm
It’s kind of sad and pathetic really


Oh no my daughter might have to wear a mask! Oh no I might have to work from home instead of going to the office!


Everything filtered exclusively through the prism of how it affects YOU and only you. And we should care about you because? You evidently don’t care about anyone else.

I'm not asking for you to care about me.

And for the record, my daughter is fine with masking in school, my wife would vastly prefer to work from home full time (or being a housewife, but that's not going to happen), and I'm ok with working from home or going into the office. And those things matter more to me more than if shows get cancelled or not. Just because those things matter lost to me doesn't mean i don't care about other people, it's just that other's matter less.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2021, 02:48:34 pm
Try reading Rousseau or something
Pfft. Fifth-tier LOST character. Strong pass.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 02:51:31 pm
Presumably if you ask questions about how something affects YOU directly you do so with the expectation someone is going to bother to give a shit and respond? I don’t and I think it’s rude of you to permanently put out your personal bullshit for us to care about or something


I am sick of reading your crap bro


You are a very unattractive personality


I mean it’s just me me me me all the time


Get a shrink… this board is not your shrink and it sounds like you need one
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: evilizac on July 29, 2021, 03:12:53 pm
Have we always been son unempathetic a people?
I mean what if we were like, "World War II", sounds like typical weak European crybaby loser bullshit. "We already did a so called "world war". We did kind of do that until Pearl Harbor, but what if, as a country, our response to that was, "I don't even know any Hawaiians". Or "they're barely even real Americans".   
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 03:24:34 pm
Have we always been son unempathetic a people?
I mean what if we were like, "World War II", sounds like typical weak European crybaby loser bullshit. "We already did a so called "world war". We did kind of do that until Pearl Harbor, but what if, as a country, our response to that was, "I don't even know any Hawaiians". Or "they're barely even real Americans".

How's the day drinking working out for you, boomer? Lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2021, 03:29:22 pm
what if, as a country, our response to that was, "I don't even know any Hawaiians". Or "they're barely even real Americans".
Sorry I’m late guys, the babysit was late and totally fucked me. She was in a hit and run. But don’t worry about it, the people she killed, the police said they were kind of just nothing and we shouldn’t worry about it AT ALL.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 03:33:53 pm
what if, as a country, our response to that was, "I don't even know any Hawaiians". Or "they're barely even real Americans".
Sorry I’m late guys, the babysit was late and totally fucked me. She was in a hit and run. But don’t worry about it, the people she killed, the police said they were kind of just nothing and we shouldn’t worry about it AT ALL.

That show is kind of funny, sometimes. But it's not good enough the base your whole online schtick on. Just my opinion of course, not trying to deny your feelings.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 29, 2021, 04:40:49 pm
^^ DING DING

I love the idea of restrictions and vaccine passports but they won’t be enforced. It puts the job of government agent on poor schlub working at a grocery store or restaurant for — Idk what service employees make — $63/hour?? That’s wack.

Just give people $1500 if they get vaxxed. Solved.

So do you think $100 will do the trick?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/565492-biden-calls-on-states-to-offer-100-vaccine-incentives
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 29, 2021, 04:44:53 pm
^^ DING DING

I love the idea of restrictions and vaccine passports but they won’t be enforced. It puts the job of government agent on poor schlub working at a grocery store or restaurant for — Idk what service employees make — $63/hour?? That’s wack.

Just give people $1500 if they get vaxxed. Solved.

So do you think $100 will do the trick?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/565492-biden-calls-on-states-to-offer-100-vaccine-incentives
I think $300-400 is kind of the over/under where this starts to make a difference.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 07:10:57 pm
There is so much panic about the delta variant

I wish people could maintain a level head


A lot of bars, restaurants and clubs will not withstand another shutdown and a lot of their workers are just going back to work now

I hope Bowser takes this into account
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 07:16:46 pm
DC had 61 new cases today and no deaths



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 29, 2021, 07:22:42 pm
DC had 61 new cases today and no deaths





OK, Space
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 07:29:58 pm
That hurts bro


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 29, 2021, 11:05:16 pm
Wow this is the first I hear of this..concerning

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 30, 2021, 09:04:17 am
I think we can all agree that this is disgusting. What is wrong with my country?

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2021/07/28/st-louis-county-health-director-i-was-assaulted-called-brown-c-after-mask-plea
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 30, 2021, 09:59:46 am
A glass half full post.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1420964825622999040
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on July 30, 2021, 10:11:32 am
This pretty much answers all my questions. Not sure I'd use the India study though. They used a different, inferior vaccine to what we're using.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/cdc-breakthrough-infections/94390e3a-5e45-44a5-ac40-2744e4e25f2e/?_=1
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 30, 2021, 11:38:36 am
this is so comical it should go into the onion thread... but 'merica

People in Missouri Are Getting the COVID Vaccine in Disguise, Doc Says

https://www.thedailybeast.com/people-in-missouri-are-getting-the-covid-vaccine-in-disguise-doctor-says?via=twitter_page

i also saw a story yesterday where a bunch of the 45** brain trust are going door to door in York County PA asking people how they voted in the election, calling themselves an "Election Integrity Commission"..  America Fuck Yeah.. and i hope someone has a nice jail cell set aside for these asshats...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2021, 07:27:40 pm
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/30/which-americans-are-against-the-jab

According to our modelling, the single greatest predictor of whether an American has been vaccinated is whether they voted for Joe Biden or Donald Trump last November. Relative to the profile for the average American—a white, 49-year-old female with some college education who earns a middle-class income, lives in a Midwestern suburb and did not vote in 2020—the impact of voting for Mr Trump is a 13 percentage-point reduction in the probability of being vaccinated. Holding everything else equal, Mr Biden’s supporters were 18 points likelier to get their jabs. Whether someone was a self-proclaimed conservative or liberal ranked second.

(https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/792/90/sites/default/files/20210807_WOC666.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 31, 2021, 10:14:34 am
Some good news

Vaccine holdouts relent as delta variant takes hold (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/vaccination-increases-states-delta-surges/)

More than 856,000 doses were administered Friday, the highest daily figure since July 3, according to The Washington Post’s vaccine tracker. This was the third week that states with the highest numbers of coronavirus cases also had the highest vaccination numbers, deputy White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said at a briefing Friday.

Vaccine-hesitant pockets of the country turned hot spots, including Louisiana, experienced a 114 percent increase in uptake, according to the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Arkansas recorded a 96 percent increase, Alabama, 65 percent, and Missouri, 49 percent.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 31, 2021, 06:45:51 pm
But then, there's Florida...

Florida breaks record with more than 21,000 new COVID cases (https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-business-arts-and-entertainment-florida-01fa89e1d9491ab075c5deb689af1ea8?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 01, 2021, 07:48:20 pm
This tweet should give some pause

https://twitter.com/tropicalijaye/status/1421950902362021891?s=21

receiving messages like this from friends makes me incredibly concerned for all musicians and crew members on the road right now. please stay safe everyone

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7vIzyOVgAAGVwE?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7vIzyMVgAIPX6c?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 01, 2021, 07:57:23 pm
Life has to restart at some point. Vaccinated people will be fine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 01, 2021, 08:10:57 pm
I share your concern Kosmo…


Since this is all new we have no idea what long term consequences might be for vaccinated people that get the delta variant…

Also there are tens of millions of children in America that have not been vaccinated yet because the vaccine is not yet available to them…

And of course while we wish all Americans would have chosen to get vaccinated many didn’t and one has to be concerned for them

Not to mention if the virus continues it’s evolution…..who knows?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 01, 2021, 08:31:25 pm
Union stage/ jammin Java
DC MASK MANDATE
We want to make it abundantly clear. For the foreseeable future, masks must be worn while on the premises of our venues within Washington, DC unless you are actively in the process of eating or drinking. We want to ensure that we are doing our part to keep you all safe and healthy. So mask up DC!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 01, 2021, 09:09:07 pm
This is going to encourage cirrhosis
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 01, 2021, 09:12:54 pm
I wonder how many people are waiting the 3 or 4 weeks needed for the vax to fully immunize them. If not then they're not really vaxxed yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 01, 2021, 10:12:31 pm
I wonder how many people are waiting the 3 or 4 weeks needed for the vax to fully immunize them. If not then they're not really vaxxed yet.
There is zero — and I stress, zero — evidence that the vaccines take 3-4 weeks to give off a relative level of immunity or that at week 3 or 4 one’s protection takes some statistically significant leap from mere days before.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 01, 2021, 11:04:46 pm
The way I understood it was it took a week…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 01, 2021, 11:09:42 pm
I wonder how many people are waiting the 3 or 4 weeks needed for the vax to fully immunize them. If not then they're not really vaxxed yet.
There is zero — and I stress, zero — evidence that the vaccines take 3-4 weeks to give off a relative level of immunity or that at week 3 or 4 one’s protection takes some statistically significant leap from mere days before.

I goofed. Should have said something like theoretically fully immunized. Not sure of the curve for the JJ. Here's some good info on the Pfizer. (https://www.healthline.com/health/vaccinations/pfizer-vaccine-efficacy#efficacy-timeline)

Many transmissions occur after the first dose, within the first 10 days after the vaccination, before the body can produce enough antibodies.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 02, 2021, 12:33:55 pm
I wonder how many people are waiting the 3 or 4 weeks needed for the vax to fully immunize them. If not then they're not really vaxxed yet.
There is zero — and I stress, zero — evidence that the vaccines take 3-4 weeks to give off a relative level of immunity or that at week 3 or 4 one’s protection takes some statistically significant leap from mere days before.

my SiL and BiL both work in immunology and are our go-to source for pandemic information.  they assured me that you're at maximum protection between 48 and 72 hours after a shot.  the multi-week wait advice is way (as in: stupidly) overly cautious.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 02, 2021, 03:46:04 pm
Lindsey Graham has tested positive for Covid19


He has been vaccinated
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 02, 2021, 04:08:33 pm
Graham, in his statement, touted the vaccine, saying that if he wasn't vaccinated "my symptoms would be far worse."

“I am very glad I was vaccinated because without vaccination I am certain I would not feel as well as I do now," he said.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 02, 2021, 06:21:45 pm
https://news.gallup.com/poll/353003/americans-optimism-covid-dashed-cases-surge.aspx
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 03, 2021, 08:34:38 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/FirstAvenue/status/1422311987124506632
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 03, 2021, 08:38:45 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/FirstAvenue/status/1422311987124506632

Well there's no way in hell I'm going to a concert in Minneapolis, then!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 03, 2021, 08:47:25 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/FirstAvenue/status/1422311987124506632

Tangential note:

Somehow I got myself on a Wilco Facebook group membership and it was reported that there was a policy change for the Jeff Tweedy shows at Brooklyn Made. Previously, masks were required but now they are not. Or something like that. However, the Greg Dulli show is requiring masks, by artist request. I dunno, I'm not going to any Brooklyn shows, so only half paying attention.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 03, 2021, 08:48:34 am
Spent a day at King's Dominion yesterday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 03, 2021, 08:52:35 am
I spent a few days at the beach, and can confirm that there are few masks. Also, people are fat.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 03, 2021, 08:55:18 am
Good reconnaissance Ex-con!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 03, 2021, 11:32:01 am
What a classy governor they have up there in South Dakota!

https://www.facebook.com/govnoem/photos/a.281082735912430/781686665852032/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 03, 2021, 12:44:33 pm
NYC to require proof of vaccination for indoor dining
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 03, 2021, 12:51:06 pm
we did just pass a milestone we hoped to hit 29 days ago
70% of all adults have now had their first shot.

does that mean we don't all get a free beer?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 04, 2021, 02:06:28 am
oh for fuck's sake.  because enough peeps aren't vaxxed.... because just the plain ol' delta variant isn't enough... we bring you:

Here’s what we know about the delta-plus variant (WaPo) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/03/delta-plus-coronavirus-variant-explained/)

There are at least 200 known cases of the Delta Plus coronavirus variant worldwide. Here's what we know (CNN) (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/25/health/delta-plus-variant-explainer-intl-hnk-scn/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 04, 2021, 11:00:42 am
Will DC follow?


https://pitchfork.com/news/nyc-to-require-covid-19-vaccination-for-concerts-broadway-more/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 04, 2021, 11:33:48 am
Will DC follow?


https://pitchfork.com/news/nyc-to-require-covid-19-vaccination-for-concerts-broadway-more/
Follow? Did I misunderstand Bowser's mask mandate she put into effect a few days ago? Wouldn't it already do this?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 04, 2021, 11:35:16 am
I thought it requires wearing masks not proof of vaccination?


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 04, 2021, 11:41:17 am
I thought it requires wearing masks not proof of vaccination?
I'm sorry -- reading is hard.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2021, 11:52:08 am
I thought it requires wearing masks not proof of vaccination?
I'm sorry -- reading is hard.

Starsky is correct. DC is requiring masks but not vaccinations. NYC will be requiring vaccinations but not masks (though they are strongly recommended for all.)

I know at one point i came out against vaccine passports, but opinions evolve with new info and new twists and turns of the virus. Having said that, I prefer the NYC approach to the DC approach. Whatever results in more people getting vaccinated is the step in the right direction.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 04, 2021, 11:55:55 am
opinions evolve with new info and new twists and turns

SPACE IS A FLIP-FLOPPER!!!  NO MORAL FORTITUDE!!!  CAN'T TRUST ANYTHING HE SAYS, EVER, BECAUSE HIS OPINION MIGHT CHANGE!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 04, 2021, 12:11:17 pm
It’s an interesting question

What helps IMP, Live Nation etc more?


Some people may feel more comfortable attending shows knowing others in attendance are vaccinated …that could translate to more tickets sold...I would be more likely to attend knowing people will be required to be vaccinated 

Some people may decide not to attend on political grounds..for some shows such as country music it might be a lot of people

And then there are people who buy tickets without realizing or comprehending they will need proof of vaccination or thinking they can get in anyways…or transferring tickets to someone who is not vaccinated or bringing friends who lo and behold are not! People with tickets denied entry tend to get very angry I have noticed…some people actually arrive at shows drunk and belligerent 

You have to add the cost of implementing the vaccine mandate at each show.. I don’t imagine it’s a lot..how much does it slow entry?

I applaud companies getting ahead of government mandates and putting them in place themselves… it’s an interesting issue and I don’t pretend to know all the ins and outs
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 04, 2021, 12:24:19 pm
…some people actually arrive at shows drunk and belligerent 
Fake news...never happens
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 04, 2021, 12:33:53 pm
…some people actually arrive at shows drunk and belligerent 
Fake news...never happens

Definitely prefer the idea of a city-wide mandate, rather than something instituted by individual businesses.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 04, 2021, 12:40:18 pm
…some people actually arrive at shows drunk and belligerent 
Fake news...never happens
Less so now that the yacht is gone.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 06, 2021, 10:22:19 am
I think texas and FL are determined to make things worse...
the Texas Education Agency released new guidance for schools on how to handle positive COVID-19 cases.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8D_nuwXIAkAl4X?format=png&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 06, 2021, 11:01:34 am
I challenge anyone to make it through this video without laughing out loud.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421886805427867654
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 06, 2021, 11:17:48 am
If there is an award for Most Triggered Dude, this guy is the champ. (https://twitter.com/RealMattCouch/status/1423430473481605121) (Twitter link)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 06, 2021, 11:47:55 am
Man I just can’t deal with the stupid


Sample response: “It’s so stupid. Masks don’t do anything “

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 06, 2021, 12:00:46 pm
I challenge anyone to make it through this video without laughing out loud.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421886805427867654

one would have assume this is prosperity gospel church, so how does one prosper when they are DEAD!!!  and of course stop lining the pockets of these "churches" because they are no longer prospering
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 06, 2021, 12:39:45 pm
I challenge anyone to make it through this video without laughing out loud.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421886805427867654

one would have assume this is prosperity gospel church, so how does one prosper when they are DEAD!!!  and of course stop lining the pockets of these "churches" because they are no longer prospering
Why would one assume that this is Prosperity Gospel Church when it says right in the tweet the church is called Global Vision Bible Church?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 06, 2021, 01:39:20 pm
I think texas and FL are determined to make things worse...
the Texas Education Agency released new guidance for schools on how to handle positive COVID-19 cases.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8D_nuwXIAkAl4X?format=png&name=large)

so, essentially, do nothing.  got it.  good thing they wrote down the guidelines.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 06, 2021, 02:05:39 pm
I think texas and FL are determined to make things worse...
the Texas Education Agency released new guidance for schools on how to handle positive COVID-19 cases.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8D_nuwXIAkAl4X?format=png&name=large)

so, essentially, do nothing.  got it.  good thing they wrote down the guidelines.

but don't forget about the lice.. them texas schools are still required to repot the lice, even though they don't carry the rona, etc...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 06, 2021, 02:29:55 pm
I think texas and FL are determined to make things worse...
the Texas Education Agency released new guidance for schools on how to handle positive COVID-19 cases.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8D_nuwXIAkAl4X?format=png&name=large)

so, essentially, do nothing.  got it.  good thing they wrote down the guidelines.

but don't forget about the lice.. them texas schools are still required to repot the lice, even though they don't carry the rona, etc...
Gotta keep those lice in a pot. Essential.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 06, 2021, 02:39:43 pm
In terms of a Friday, I’m quite proud of that one..

Anyone going to the superspreader event on wheels this weekend at Nationals park? 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on August 06, 2021, 03:25:11 pm
In terms of a Friday, I’m quite proud of that one..

Anyone going to the superspreader event on wheels this weekend at Nationals park?

I want to go, but it's too expensive. Watching for a steep drop on stubhub...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 06, 2021, 03:41:17 pm
Friday typo


Stupid brain and finger not working together
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 08, 2021, 12:00:09 pm
(https://i0.wp.com/www.latinorebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/FLAG2.jpg?w=1200&ssl=1)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 08, 2021, 03:40:43 pm
(https://i0.wp.com/www.latinorebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/FLAG2.jpg?w=1200&ssl=1)

Where can I get the t-shirt?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 08, 2021, 04:36:06 pm
(https://i0.wp.com/www.latinorebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/FLAG2.jpg?w=1200&ssl=1)

Where can I get the t-shirt?

but have been there and done that?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 08, 2021, 05:37:01 pm
Source of image (https://www.latinorebels.com/2020/04/20/pepitocreatorsimage/), Latino Rebels
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 09, 2021, 12:41:44 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/p301bRn/Screen-Shot-2021-08-09-at-12-40-06-PM.png) (https://twitter.com/AuthorKimberley/status/1424738374171123712)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2021, 01:14:38 pm
Rand Paul today: “It’s time for us to resist. They can’t arrest all of us .. No one should follow the CDC.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 09, 2021, 01:30:40 pm
They can’t arrest all of us
Famous last words.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 09, 2021, 01:37:17 pm
stolen from The Twitter... new strategy?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8UHsTVVkAYcEGw?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/StuffCCLikes/status/1424553316743221256?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 09, 2021, 02:42:44 pm
They can’t arrest all of us
Famous last words.

right up there with "they'll never find me in this remote cabin/compound."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 10, 2021, 03:24:59 pm
Bowser mandates COVID-19 vaccine for all DC government workers, teachers

That includes contractors, interns and grantees, as well as all D.C. Public Schools teachers and staff.

They have until Sept. 19 to be fully vaccinated. If you’re not fully vaccinated — due to an exemption for medical or religious reasons — you have to submit to a weekly COVID test..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 10, 2021, 09:45:25 pm
I mean, WTF Southwest, American and Delta??!!?!?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 10, 2021, 09:57:44 pm
Seriously WTF

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 10, 2021, 09:58:26 pm
I mean, WTF Southwest, American and Delta??!!?!?
Julian will be flying United for the foreseeable future unless it’s points redemption flights on American just to dick with them.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2021, 08:04:20 am
what is odd is that Delta a few months back was requiring a Vax for new hires
Like Corona beer, gotta imagine the Delta V is hurting brand value...

(https://media2.fdncms.com/metrotimes/imager/u/original/27793196/tmw2021-08-11printcolor.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 11, 2021, 11:34:32 am
Ok parents of under-12's. (edit 5-11) Who's going to be first in line and who's going to wait a bit?

Va. vaccine chief: Approval of vaccines for kids 5-11 likely in a few weeks

https://wtop.com/virginia/2021/08/va-vaccine-chief-approval-of-vaccines-for-kids-5-11-likely-in-a-few-weeks/?utm_campaign=WTOP%20Morning%20Newsletter%20B&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_term=AB%20Blasttest%20B
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 11, 2021, 11:37:40 am
I think we will be first in line…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 11, 2021, 12:06:07 pm
yup, my kiddos are getting vaxxed ASAP.  they're back in public school this september so i'll be nervous until the day they get their shots.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 11, 2021, 12:30:18 pm
Just to pivot the conversation slightly, should we be vaccinating 5-11 year olds now or should we wait until the Julian's of the world -- those who are now 6 months out from their second dose -- get a booster? From a health risk perspective, obviously its a no-brainer to booster shot your most vulnerable over giving a dose to children who have a statistically insignificant mortality rate. From an economic perspective, well, what 5-11 year olds do you know are revenue generating?

I just think, once again, we're not tackling this logically at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2021, 12:38:53 pm
From an economic perspective, well, what 5-11 year olds do you know are revenue generating?
Thanks to the Biden Advance Child Tax Credit...the kidos at the Hatch-hold are creating some revenue
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 11, 2021, 01:17:26 pm
children who have a statistically insignificant mortality rate

allow me to introduce you to MIS-C (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mis-c-in-kids-covid-19/symptoms-causes/syc-20502550).  one of many long-haul complications from COVID-19.

asking me to put the long-term health of my unvaxxed children ahead of doubly-vaxxed JA'ers isn't even a question.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 11, 2021, 02:17:44 pm
There's so much stock in the rich world right now that it doesn't even have to be an either or conversation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 11, 2021, 03:10:00 pm
There's so much stock in the rich world right now

you bring up a relevant point: we'll get a huge bang for the buck by vaccinating the rest of the world.  as long as the majority of humanity has access to neither vaccines nor adequate healthcare, variants will continue to emerge and will make their way to us.  we've already proven that closing borders doesn't work - by the time we know it's far too late.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 11, 2021, 04:06:46 pm
Just to pivot the conversation slightly, should we be vaccinating 5-11 year olds now or should we wait until the Julian's of the world -- those who are now 6 months out from their second dose -- get a booster? From a health risk perspective, obviously its a no-brainer to booster shot your most vulnerable over giving a dose to children who have a statistically insignificant mortality rate. From an economic perspective, well, what 5-11 year olds do you know are revenue generating?

I just think, once again, we're not tackling this logically at all.

I think the priority had pivoted to keeping the schools open in person at this point
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 11, 2021, 04:11:11 pm
you bring up a relevant point: we'll get a huge bang for the buck by vaccinating the rest of the world. 

Would not fit in JA though...but yes, that was the subtle point I was making.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 11, 2021, 04:14:25 pm
The priority is to vaccinate everyone and we have enough vaccines to do it


I am hearing new stories about covid - maybe delta- hitting kids hard…

If we are giving millions of vaccines away cause American adults  don’t want them we can certainly vaccinate American kids before sending them to school

I don’t have info on booster shots so can’t opine there

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 11, 2021, 04:16:59 pm
I am hearing new stories about covid - maybe delta- hitting kids hard…

You didn't have the data on kids either, but that didn't stop you from opining:

Most children with Covid-19 have mild symptoms, and there is not yet enough evidence to conclude that Delta causes more severe disease in children than other variants do, scientists said.

 from July 31 to Aug. 6, 216 children with Covid were being hospitalized every day, on average, nearly matching the 217 daily admissions during the pandemic’s peak in early January..  Only a small percentage of these cases ended up in ICU.   (217 cases in the hospital. 40 cases in the ICU of 72,000 total pediatric Covid cases)

Most of the children’s cases are coming from the south (Arkansas, Florida, Missouri have the majority of cases)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 11, 2021, 04:22:31 pm
Thanks for the smack down Smackie…always appreciated..


Does it matter if I can’t prove it’s hitting kids hard? It might be…If we are at a point where we have such a big surplus of  vaccines I think we should vaccinate children. Not babies but certainly 11 year olds

My cousin’s 10 year old got long covid and was hospitalized..it is happening

We recently gave away millions of Vaccines to just one country




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 11, 2021, 04:50:13 pm
You were the unfortunate victim of my mother-in-law being in town, watching Good Morning America yesterday, and getting my wife unnecessarily all worked up over Covid and our daughter. 

I had all of the research and data already done and the results easily accessible.  On the plus side, you got the Clif Note version of the email I sent her yesterday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 11, 2021, 05:24:42 pm
CNN: FDA expected to authorize Covid-19 vaccine booster shots for immunocompromised people within the next 48 hours
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 11, 2021, 09:34:26 pm
Now we know why Rand Paul is anti-vax. Stick a pitchfork in him.

Rand Paul discloses 16 months late that his wife bought stock in company behind covid treatment (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/11/rand-paul-gilead-stock/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 11, 2021, 10:30:23 pm
Just to pivot the conversation slightly, should we be vaccinating 5-11 year olds now or should we wait until the Julian's of the world -- those who are now 6 months out from their second dose -- get a booster? From a health risk perspective, obviously its a no-brainer to booster shot your most vulnerable over giving a dose to children who have a statistically insignificant mortality rate. From an economic perspective, well, what 5-11 year olds do you know are revenue generating?

I just think, once again, we're not tackling this logically at all.

CNN: FDA expected to authorize Covid-19 vaccine booster shots for immunocompromised people within the next 48 hours
I’m so plugged, I shock myself sometimes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 12, 2021, 12:07:28 am
Add Julian to lust of people who love thinking they are “right” and letting you know about it…


Mental note: buy another notebook
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 12, 2021, 12:10:31 am
Add Julian to lust of people who love thinking they are “right” and letting you know about it…
Just now?!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 12, 2021, 12:16:23 am
Look at the global curve of new cases!

It’s crazy… and it’s happening in many countries that thought they had it licked


The vaccines…. Not sure what to say

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 12, 2021, 02:14:05 am
Just to pivot the conversation slightly, should we be vaccinating 5-11 year olds now or should we wait until the Julian's of the world -- those who are now 6 months out from their second dose -- get a booster? From a health risk perspective, obviously its a no-brainer to booster shot your most vulnerable over giving a dose to children who have a statistically insignificant mortality rate. From an economic perspective, well, what 5-11 year olds do you know are revenue generating?

I just think, once again, we're not tackling this logically at all.

CNN: FDA expected to authorize Covid-19 vaccine booster shots for immunocompromised people within the next 48 hours
I’m so plugged, I shock myself sometimes.

jules, you're so busy patting yourself on the back (since no one else is) that you didn't notice that you are not, in fact, plugged in... at least not based on the CNN article here.  you advocated boosters based on economic contribution.  the CDC is recommending boosters for the immunocompromised.  not the same.  also, the CDC is saying nothing about adults before kids...

plenty of immunos that are not contributing to the economy - should they be denied a booster? 

what about under-12's who are contributing to the economy (ex: young youtubers making bank) - OK to give them a shot?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 12, 2021, 08:34:40 am
you advocated boosters based on economic contribution.

Actually, my criteria was:

or should we wait until the Julian's of the world -- those who are now 6 months out from their second dose -- get a booster?

the CDC is recommending boosters for the immunocompromised.  not the same. 

Oh, yeah, those with concierge medical care/private doctors won't find any way to get declared immunocompromised. No, sir. By the way, over a million Americans already followed the Julian model and just went to a pharmacy and pretended they hadn't gotten vaxed yet and got their third shot already!

also, the CDC is saying nothing about adults before kids...
And yet, booster shots will be approved and start within 48 hours and by all accounts we're 6 weeks out from child vaccinations being on the table.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 12, 2021, 09:52:45 am
Add Julian to lust of people who love thinking they are “right” and letting you know about it…


Ahem.


New Orleans Jazz Festival 2021While understandable it’s a crushing blowThis damn coronavirus presents a real long term threat to our way of live and we are not coping well as a species. We are sort of ignoring the big issues and trying patchwork solutions.
No shit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 12, 2021, 10:20:59 am
I think all I was saying there was I had already announced show?

In my life I have been amazingly right and horribly wrong. I think that’s probably true for most people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 12, 2021, 07:46:10 pm
"let's not eradicate the disease, instead let's deal with the symptoms in an expensive and inefficient way that doesn't prevent spread" - what a fucking (and criminal) moron...

Florida governor deploying rapid-response team to fight Covid-19 surge (https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/health/florida-covid-rapid-response-teams/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 12, 2021, 09:03:48 pm
Wack job 1 from GA opined today on COVID case surge: "Yes, the waiting rooms get full. But guess what? The waiting rooms are full of all kinds of things, not just COVID," adding "we're human, we can't live forever"

These people don’t give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves

Remember all the uproar over the alleged Obama Death Panels???
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 12, 2021, 09:20:08 pm
It is infuriating and depressing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 13, 2021, 11:15:32 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8pDLYvXoAElPxT?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 13, 2021, 11:41:33 am
Sign of the week

and clearly Jon Hamm's joint...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2021, 03:11:46 pm
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-hillsborough/nearly-5-600-hillsborough-students-isolated-or-quarantined-one-week-into-school-year
Just one week into the new school year, 5,599 students and 316 employees in Hillsborough County are isolated or quarantined as COVID cases continue to rise.
Isolation refers to individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19 while quarantine refers to those who have had close contact with a positive case.

#winning
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 17, 2021, 03:14:12 pm
Just one week into the new school year, 5,599 students and 316 employees in Hillsborough County are isolated or quarantined as COVID cases continue to rise.

Out of 220,000.  That said, they should all be home anyways.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2021, 03:15:31 pm
Just one week into the new school year, 5,599 students and 316 employees in Hillsborough County are isolated or quarantined as COVID cases continue to rise.

Out of 220,000.  That said, they should all be home anyways.
a key stat that I didn't intentionally leave out...thanks for updating
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 17, 2021, 04:35:21 pm
TSA to extend mask mandate through January
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2021, 05:19:25 pm
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott tests positive for COVID-19
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 17, 2021, 05:37:12 pm
twitter losing its mind over the fact that Carrie Underwood liked an anti-mask tweet.  worlds are collapsing out there. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 17, 2021, 05:37:48 pm
And I would have guessed Carrie Underwood was the savior we all needed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 17, 2021, 05:45:27 pm
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott tests positive for COVID-19

"Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas tested positive for the coronavirus on Tuesday, though he has no symptoms, the governor’s office announced.

An ardent opponent of mask and vaccine mandates, Mr. Abbott has taken his opposition to such requirements all the way to the state Supreme Court. Mr. Abbott, who is fully vaccinated, will now be isolated in the Governor’s Mansion while receiving medical treatment*.

“The Governor has been testing daily, and today was the first positive test result,” the statement said. “Governor Abbott is in constant communication with his staff, agency heads, and government.”"
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/us/greg-abbott-texas-covid-positive.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/us/greg-abbott-texas-covid-positive.html)


* per CNN, "medical treatment" = Regeneron.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 17, 2021, 05:52:14 pm
Thoughts and prayers?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2021, 08:10:59 pm
I have been hoping for this for over a year and finally they are doing it....free, at home tests
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/237277655_10215810334930389_2300737930016233087_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=eXKlGTix2gYAX9Ae9oF&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=a0653c1fe70dc8ecd20817ad001fcf90&oe=61407EBC)
All of DC public libraries have at home COVID-19 testing kits for FREE!
https://t.co/MwVQYtQZg0
https://www.hillrag.com/.../12/test-yourself-for-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 18, 2021, 12:04:14 pm
^ nice.  hope this innovation makes it my way.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2021, 12:12:49 pm
My understanding is it's a take home swab test (but I think you can just do it right at the library), that you can drop back off at the library in a drop box where you got it and get the results in a few days...but likely a week

they only have 8k kits available on any given day, but you can check were the inventory is in real time
Kinda shocked that DC is leading the way on this, but kudos
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 18, 2021, 12:26:51 pm
That's super inefficient. I was assuming it was the BINAX style 15 minute quick-test like we use at work that doesn't require someone to have a clinical background to be able to read (pregnancy-test style).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2021, 12:30:48 pm
Well that would be EVEN BETTER....but not all Americans work for a big-pocketed Health company (I have no idea where or what you do)

Had no idea you could buy these at CVS now
https://www.cvs.com/shop/abbott-binaxnow-covid-19-antigen-self-test-2-tests-for-serial-testing-prodid-550147
but $11 a pop is kinda  steep

But this is not a PCR test, right this is the 'antibody' test that I keep hearing isn't the gold standard on testing
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 18, 2021, 01:46:14 pm
Well that would be EVEN BETTER....but not all Americans work for a big-pocketed Health company (I have no idea where or what you do)

Had no idea you could buy these at CVS now
https://www.cvs.com/shop/abbott-binaxnow-covid-19-antigen-self-test-2-tests-for-serial-testing-prodid-550147
but $11 a pop is kinda  steep

But this is not a PCR test, right this is the 'antibody' test that I keep hearing isn't the gold standard on testing
Correct, its not gold standard but its good enough, and frankly good + you know and can act in 15 minutes vs great but it takes 24-72 hours for a lab to process is kind of a wash.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 18, 2021, 04:00:45 pm
And I would have guessed Carrie Underwood was the savior we all needed.

twitter losing its mind over the fact that Carrie Underwood liked an anti-mask tweet.  worlds are collapsing out there. 

She spent a fortune repairing her face after her fall back in 2017, so it makes sense.

What's that?  The "like" was about her kids, 6 and 2, not being forced wearing masks while in school?  Oh...ffs people
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 18, 2021, 04:05:40 pm
What's that?  The "like" was about her kids, 6 and 2, not being forced wearing masks while in school?  Oh...ffs people

her kids strike me more as Anthem people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 18, 2021, 04:06:45 pm
her kids strike me more as Anthem people.

They've probably already been on the stage of the Grand Ol Opry and the Ryman. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2021, 04:54:21 pm
got into this late, but this tweet got me upto to speed

Jeremy Hooper@goodasyou
It’s not just that Carrie Underwood liked an anti-mask tweet. It’s that Carrie Underwood liked an anti-mask tweet from Matt Walsh, one of those most negligently histrionic voices on the topic of protecting kids from COVID.


I can't stand Matt Walsh, so I question her choices in life
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 18, 2021, 04:57:23 pm
President Biden @POTUS
Today, our medical experts announced a plan for booster shots to every fully vaccinated adult in America.
 
This shot will boost your immune response — and it’ll increase your protection from COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 18, 2021, 04:58:37 pm
I can't stand Matt Walsh, so I question her choices in life

She married a Canadian professional hockey player over a decade ago and NOW you question her choices in life?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 18, 2021, 06:39:22 pm
I can't stand Matt Walsh, so I question her choices in life

She married a Canadian professional hockey player over a decade ago and NOW you question her choices in life?

wait, what?  i don't get it...

do we need to warn Elisha Cuthbert??
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 18, 2021, 09:29:11 pm
Crazy..the US back to 23% of worlds reported covid cases today


1000+ deaths (nothing like the 4000 at peak)


We -along with the world- are definitely riding a new wave now





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 19, 2021, 02:06:39 pm
As you probably know, UMD is requiring all students, faculty and staff to be fully vaccinated by the beginning of the Fall 2021 semester (Monday 8/30). Their update letter today says that we've attained a 92% rate, and it should be even higher when classes start in 11 days.

Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 19, 2021, 02:44:08 pm
As you probably know, UMD is requiring all students, faculty and staff to be fully vaccinated by the beginning of the Fall 2021 semester (Monday 8/30). Their update letter today says that we've attained a 92% rate, and it should be even higher when classes start in 11 days.

Fuck yeah!

Attestation or verification?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 19, 2021, 03:22:41 pm
As you probably know, UMD is requiring all students, faculty and staff to be fully vaccinated by the beginning of the Fall 2021 semester (Monday 8/30). Their update letter today says that we've attained a 92% rate, and it should be even higher when classes start in 11 days.

Fuck yeah!

Attestation or verification?

Not exactly sure. They somehow automatically got my info, probably from allowing such info to be shared with such parties. I seem to vaguely remember such a question (about info sharing) when I made my vax appointment (when it was limited to certain occupations, e.g. education).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 19, 2021, 03:38:08 pm
For me it says "You have satisfied the vaccine requirement (either because your vaccination record has been verified or your exemption approved)."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on August 19, 2021, 03:43:59 pm
Now that we know that vaccines hardly work, does it even matter?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 19, 2021, 03:47:46 pm
Now that we know that vaccines hardly work, does it even matter?

no more facebook nor youtube for you.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on August 19, 2021, 03:55:09 pm
For me it says "You have satisfied the vaccine requirement (either because your vaccination record has been verified or your exemption approved)."

That's great. 92% verification is the dream....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 19, 2021, 04:07:30 pm
I am a couple of hours from DC at an undisclosed location… I am safe

Nobody is wearing masks

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 19, 2021, 11:52:15 pm
Anybody notice that roughly 35% of covid deaths in America have happened during Biden’s presidency?

What happens if we hit 50?


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 20, 2021, 01:28:55 am
The Coronavirus Is Here Forever. This Is How We Live With It https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 20, 2021, 10:26:04 am
The Coronavirus Is Here Forever. This Is How We Live With It
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/)

Thanks for this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on August 20, 2021, 10:29:11 am
The Coronavirus Is Here Forever. This Is How We Live With It
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/)

Thanks for this.

Indeed... Good read.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 12:33:38 pm
Some arrests and fines for faking covid vax cards
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/08/17/authorities-arrest-florida-couple-accused-using-fake-vaccine-cards-travel-hawaii/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/2-travelers-who-used-fake-vaccine-cards-enter-canada-u-n1275750
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 20, 2021, 12:44:53 pm
School District in TN where parent were seen losing their stuffing over the recommendation their precious children wear masks, now has a school closed because too many staff members are sick...  also they can't do remote learning due a state mandate against it...

death cult

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 01:01:40 pm
Am I crazy or are liberals now saying and rallying around idea we need to learn to live with covid that were outraged when Trump and his crowd were saying this?

Is this cause in the near future more people may have died under Biden than Trump?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 20, 2021, 01:05:52 pm
Am I crazy or are liberals now saying and rallying around idea we need to learn to live with covid that were outraged when Trump and his crowd were saying this?

Is this cause in the near future more people may have died under Biden than Trump?
How long was trump in office in the Covid era vs how long has Biden been?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 01:21:54 pm
Am I crazy or are liberals now saying and rallying around idea we need to learn to live with covid that were outraged when Trump and his crowd were saying this?

Is this cause in the near future more people may have died under Biden than Trump?
It's mathematically inevitable this will be true, but biden will get dinged for those who died after jan 20th, when infact they likely got infected dec/jan

But don't we all need to get to the point where we need to live with covid and the risks.  Can we really social distance and mask forever?
I wish this would impact people to get healthy as the overwhelming majority of fatalities were due to someone being in poor health to begin with  (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my understanding)
Now that's a little different for old people as that's not really an option
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 20, 2021, 01:24:44 pm
Am I crazy or are liberals now saying and rallying around idea we need to learn to live with covid that were outraged when Trump and his crowd were saying this?

Is this cause in the near future more people may have died under Biden than Trump?
It's mathematically inevitable this will be true, but biden will get dinged for those who died after jan 20th, when infact they likely got infected dec/jan

But don't we all need to get to the point where we need to live with covid and the risks.  Can we really social distance and mask forever?
I wish this would impact people to get healthy as the overwhelming majority of fatalities were due to someone being in poor health to begin with  (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my understanding)
Now that's a little different for old people as that's not really an option

Why would it be more difficult for old people to make healthy choices than it would be for people younger than old people to?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 01:27:18 pm
I think they should make healthy lifestyle choices too, but in your 80s no matter what healthy choices you make...aren't you still very high risk
d
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 20, 2021, 01:28:10 pm
Am I crazy or are liberals now saying and rallying around idea we need to learn to live with covid that were outraged when Trump and his crowd were saying this?

Is this cause in the near future more people may have died under Biden than Trump?
It's mathematically inevitable this will be true, but biden will get dinged for those who died after jan 20th, when infact they likely got infected dec/jan

But don't we all need to get to the point where we need to live with covid and the risks.  Can we really social distance and mask forever?
I wish this would impact people to get healthy as the overwhelming majority of fatalities were due to someone being in poor health to begin with  (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my understanding)
Now that's a little different for old people as that's not really an option

Why would it be more difficult for old people to make healthy choices than it would be for people younger than old people to?
You cannot be serious. A 90 year old cannot choose to just randomly be 42 years old instead.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 01:32:38 pm
A 90 year old cannot choose to just randomly be 42 years old instead.
How about a 50 year old being 18 instead...is that an option?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 20, 2021, 01:36:37 pm
Am I crazy or are liberals now saying and rallying around idea we need to learn to live with covid that were outraged when Trump and his crowd were saying this?

Is this cause in the near future more people may have died under Biden than Trump?
It's mathematically inevitable this will be true, but biden will get dinged for those who died after jan 20th, when infact they likely got infected dec/jan

But don't we all need to get to the point where we need to live with covid and the risks.  Can we really social distance and mask forever?
I wish this would impact people to get healthy as the overwhelming majority of fatalities were due to someone being in poor health to begin with  (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my understanding)
Now that's a little different for old people as that's not really an option

Why would it be more difficult for old people to make healthy choices than it would be for people younger than old people to?
You cannot be serious. A 90 year old cannot choose to just randomly be 42 years old instead.

I'm not comparing 90 year olds to 42 year old. I'm comparing 70 year olds to 70 year olds. You can make better lifestyle choices no matter what your age is.

If you're 90 and still alive, you've probably already made some good choices, or have good genes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 20, 2021, 02:32:28 pm
Am I crazy or are liberals now saying and rallying around idea we need to learn to live with covid that were outraged when Trump and his crowd were saying this?

unfortunately you're making a false equivalency.

trump & co. were saying do nothing - no masks, no social distancing, no vaccine.  just ignore it and it'll go away.  your personal unrestricted freedom is more important than other people's lives.

some liberals are now saying that we need to learn to live with the virus because it isn't going away (thanks to those who believe in trump & co, see above) so let's adjust: masks and social distancing when appropriate/required, and vaccines for everyone so if/when you do get the virus it won't be dangerous (most of the time).  let's do what makes sense in order to not overwhelm hospitals.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 02:49:19 pm
I just wonder if as a society we are accepting failure to deal with covid and beginning to rationalize things many would have opposed months ago.

Just on this thread there is talk about the dead not being healthy or young when all I am hearing is that more and more it’s younger and healthier folk being affected.

It’s all part of rationalization…we need to believe certain things to carry on I guess…

Of course there are bound to be covid cases but 150,000 a day seems likely too many as are 1000 deaths a day. Is that even sustainable?

It’s just a huge failure…. I mean is this really our best effort? We have the vaccines and are again leading the world in poor results….or is it that we realize we really just don’t care as a society and this is the best we are willing and able to do so whatever the outcome we might as well accept it and move on?



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 02:57:42 pm
I don’t see much urgency. I guess as a country we are too divided to mount a serious effort. The response should be something like what we did in WWII.


We thought if a lot of Americans got vaccinated we could return to normalcy but it seems not so…

I certainly didn’t think 7 months into a Biden administration we would have nearly 250,000 more dead and be averaging 150,000 new cases per day with 1000 new dead.

This is a hugely disappointing result and it’s not surprising people are having to recalibrate expectations…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 20, 2021, 03:00:51 pm
Buh-bye

U.Va.: Students who didn’t meet vaccine mandate disenrolled (https://wtop.com/virginia/2021/08/uva-students-who-didnt-meet-vaccine-mandate-disenrolled/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 03:04:17 pm

there is talk about the dead not being healthy or young when all I am hearing is that more and more it’s younger and healthier folk being affected.
I may be wrong, but I still think this is the case and the young and healthy deaths are anecdotal in the grand scheme.
Old and unhealthy are at a VASTLY greater risk, but a large magnitude

There are actual risks and assumed risks, but this is like driving and flying. 
You are much more likely to die in an auto, but people are terrified of flying
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 03:08:39 pm
That is true but I don’t find comfort in that, do you?

If we are seeing more younger people and healthier people get really ill then maybe that trend will only continue and increase…

To use your analogy flying seems to be getting riskier relative to driving even if not as risky
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 03:17:30 pm
I don't find any comfort in that...
I just think that deaths of the young and healthy are being over exaggerated vs the actual risk to those groups
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 03:22:12 pm
But surely we are not saying that because death isn’t as common it’s all good?


We don’t really know the long term effects …there is all kind of info floating around but the one thing we know is we don’t really know


Or are we saying younger people can chance covid cause risk of dying is not that much?

Again, am seeing people adopting the same rationales Trumptards did for months which we met with disdain.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 20, 2021, 03:55:57 pm
Again, am seeing people adopting the same rationales Trumptards did for months which we met with disdain.

and again, i'll challenge you on that statement.

trumpsters said/say do nothing, it's all a government ploy to take away your freedoms.  the focus is on inaction.

this new acceptance of the reality that covid isn't going away, largely due to trumpsters, is resulting in action: mask mandates, vaccines, etc.

certain results are the same (Ex: re-opening schools), but look at a school in deep red texas vs. a school in maryland or washington.  rationals are not the same, actions are not the same.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 04:05:22 pm
Ugh yeah if you’re saying young people don’t get it as bad so it’s a risk they can take

Or if you say look it’s not going away so we need to just suck it up and move on with our normal lives

Then yeah it is a similar rationale to the one Trumptards employ and employed and which many liberals argued against

If circumstances evolved in such a way that liberals came to the same conclusions doesn’t change the fact it’s the same… if Trumptards refusing to get the vaccines is the problem or not doesn’t change fact liberals ended up in the same place..

Sorry if that is uncomfortable

What we don’t hear other than “get the vaccine” or “let’s argue about masks” are any new ideas or solutions to reining in the problem… the approach is “it is what it is let’s try to go back to normal as much as possible and suck up the hit”

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 04:09:36 pm
Basically 7 months into Biden administration it’s time and it’s fair to take a look at how things have been going….


I think the answer is clear that they have gone poorly….we are at a worst point than expected… and just blaming Trumptards isn’t going to cut it


And I don’t see any new ideas or approaches which isn’t necessarily all Biden’s fault but he is the president.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 04:15:22 pm
the answer to your question is Yes (or 42, not sure in this case?)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 20, 2021, 04:17:33 pm
Basically 7 months into Biden administration it’s time and it’s fair to take a look at how things have been going….


I think the answer is clear that they have gone poorly….we are at a worst point than expected… and just blaming Trumptards isn’t going to cut it


And I don’t see any new ideas or approaches which isn’t necessarily all Biden’s fault but he is the president.

So we try another Republican in 2024?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 04:22:21 pm
I will never vote Republican in my life.


But I do think if Biden doesn’t get control of this the midterms will be real bad.


I also think it’s fair to consider - not because it would have changed anything I did- what would have happened if Trump had been re-elected? Would he have encouraged his base to get vaccinated and we would have hit herd immunity were there such a thing?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 20, 2021, 04:33:42 pm
We need more contributions from medical community


https://newsrnd.com/life/2021-08-20-why-masitinib-may-be-the--silver-bullet--as-a-treatment-against-covid.r1xU-Ytpxt.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 04:45:04 pm
a treatment for dog tumors in a study on mice
a new option...interesting
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 08:08:56 pm
Because I'm concerned about the midterms, I'm looking into a new mask
(my old birdwell one has gone missing...would possibly buy again, but the latest offerings (https://www.birdwell.com/collections/buy-a-mask-give-a-mask) are not to my liking)

I don't like any mask that hangs on my ears...so limits me, but found some nice options and curious what people think
I mean we are going to be wearing these everyday for the rest of our lives, might as well be comfortable and stylish

Kistbow (https://www.kitsbow.com/collections/personal-protective-equipment/products/wake-protech-reusable-face-mask?variant=32323694690339)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1832/4455/products/8005_WakeProTech_Stratus.png?v=1597864149)

686  POLYGIENE (https://www.686.com/products/686-polygiene-viraloff-archetype-face-mask-1?variant=32030180474947)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1343/2655/products/FACEMASKHERO_0002_LOGOScopy3_69bac34b-d548-4eb7-b459-8f8040179404.jpg?v=1602788947)


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 20, 2021, 08:32:34 pm
Biden hasn't done anything wrong but appeal to reason.

Every anti-vax politician is heavily invested in the drug companies that make drugs for treating COVID. Vaccines prevent the illness, and vaccinated people don't need to be treated.

Spread antivax propaganda through political messaging, evangelical churches and conservative school districts, and get as many people sick as possible. Sure, some people will die, but drug companies will profit, as will their shareholders.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 20, 2021, 09:18:16 pm
Yikes, not sure I buy that whole scenario… but some truth there
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on August 21, 2021, 07:57:47 am
Because I'm concerned about the midterms, I'm looking into a new mask
(my old birdwell one has gone missing...would possibly buy again, but the latest offerings (https://www.birdwell.com/collections/buy-a-mask-give-a-mask) are not to my liking)

I don't like any mask that hangs on my ears...so limits me, but found some nice options and curious what people think
I mean we are going to be wearing these everyday for the rest of our lives, might as well be comfortable and stylish

Kistbow (https://www.kitsbow.com/collections/personal-protective-equipment/products/wake-protech-reusable-face-mask?variant=32323694690339)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1832/4455/products/8005_WakeProTech_Stratus.png?v=1597864149)

686  POLYGIENE (https://www.686.com/products/686-polygiene-viraloff-archetype-face-mask-1?variant=32030180474947)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1343/2655/products/FACEMASKHERO_0002_LOGOScopy3_69bac34b-d548-4eb7-b459-8f8040179404.jpg?v=1602788947)

The fashion thread is over there >>>
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 21, 2021, 01:04:20 pm
Yikes, not sure I buy that whole scenario… but some truth there

This is exactly Rand Paul's script (remdesivir) and DeSantis (regeneron)

https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1427427482219728900?s=19

Think they're the only ones?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 21, 2021, 08:48:14 pm
Jesse and Jacqueline Jackson test positive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 23, 2021, 05:52:48 am
(https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/6EZnxhJER6WD13EkHmDKgGN91Xs=/1400x0/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/UMA3HJTLUVB6PDCQ26HB757O24.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2021, 11:25:00 am
US regulators give full approval to Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 23, 2021, 11:53:14 am

Big


https://apnews.com/article/business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-e08a6e68308b27ad7653ca9210d953dc
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 23, 2021, 12:16:51 pm

Big


https://apnews.com/article/business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-e08a6e68308b27ad7653ca9210d953dc

I thought they already said they were going to mandate is for the military? Perhaps I'm wrong. Anyway, that is big, and good news. Only 50% of the military has chosen to be vaccinated so far. Could they possibly fire the other 50%?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 23, 2021, 01:42:33 pm
US regulators give full approval to Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine

https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/1429816153564647430?s=20 (https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/1429816153564647430?s=20)

"Per the FDA--
Pfizer's now fully approved Covid vaccine will be marketed as: Comirnaty, for the prevention of Covid-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older"


How is that even pronounced? Come-'ere'-Natty?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 23, 2021, 03:10:11 pm
Another step


https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/08/23/covid-vaccine-mandate-biden-506609?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 23, 2021, 04:40:43 pm
Got comorbidities? Get Comirnaty™!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 23, 2021, 05:26:28 pm
apparently TFG said that the vax was good and people should take it this weekend in AL

Alex Jones: Trump is a dumbass

wow...this is getting weird, who can you trust
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 23, 2021, 06:55:14 pm
apparently TFG said that the vax was good and people should take it this weekend in AL

he also got booed when he said it.  he immediately backed off, saying that he got it and maybe others should consider it too but you have your freedoms so do whatever you want...  i guess it's better than nothing (which is more than we should expect from that POS).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 23, 2021, 07:17:05 pm
Federal government needs to start compelling people, organizations and businesses to ensure more people get vaccinated… carrots and stick

I wish it hadn’t proved necessary but for many reasons it’s now evident it is

This is a battle that could go on for years so might as well get started… there doesn’t seem anyway around it

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 24, 2021, 02:47:44 am
Federal government needs to start compelling people, organizations and businesses to ensure more people get vaccinated…

Biden urges employers to require Covid vaccination (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/23/covid-vaccine-mandate-biden-506609)
The president’s call for schools and business to require vaccination comes amid stiff resistance by some Republican governors and lawmakers.

carrots and stick

"And every little bit — carrots, sticks and even a dose of fear — helps." (from: Opinion: Time to say it: We’re done with the vaccine refusers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/23/time-say-it-were-done-with-vaccine-refusers/))
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 24, 2021, 10:04:51 am

"And every little bit — carrots, sticks and even a dose of fear — helps." (from: Opinion: Time to say it: We’re done with the vaccine refusers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/23/time-say-it-were-done-with-vaccine-refusers/))

This:

All of this, we can hope, will create an atmosphere in which being unvaccinated by choice will mean voluntarily marginalizing oneself from society. If you’re determined to make that statement about yourself, that you’re the kind of person to whom “freedom” means taking the chance of infecting other people with a virus that has killed millions, we’re going to do everything we can to isolate you.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 24, 2021, 10:14:13 am
From the same op-ed:

Experts now say we’ll never reach true herd immunity; rather than covid being eliminated, the pandemic will end with it becoming merely endemic, a part of our lives that never goes away but is suppressed to a level of infections and deaths we can tolerate, like other viruses.

I'd like to see an age breakdown of vax refusers. I have a sense that they're mostly over 40, even 50, and thus will age out of society (die) in a couple of generations. Younger generations will routinely get vaxxed for school and COVID may get to be a mumps-like rarity.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 24, 2021, 10:17:07 am
Never mind, goddamn it... (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=6ab34c8b42cc) (sorry, Forbes.com link)

The KFF poll, conducted May 18-25, found that the highest share of unvaccinated respondents were 30-49 years old (41%), followed by 29% ages 18-29 and 20% ages 50-64, while only 9% of those unvaccinated were 65 and older.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 24, 2021, 11:01:30 am
Never mind, goddamn it... (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=6ab34c8b42cc) (sorry, Forbes.com link)

The KFF poll, conducted May 18-25, found that the highest share of unvaccinated respondents were 30-49 years old (41%), followed by 29% ages 18-29 and 20% ages 50-64, while only 9% of those unvaccinated were 65 and older.

So you were wrong. It makes sense that younger people would be most likely to go unvaccinated. COVID is less harmful to younger people, and they're probably cautious in terms of getting a vaccine that hasn't been around for a long time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 24, 2021, 12:25:12 pm
Never mind, goddamn it... (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=6ab34c8b42cc) (sorry, Forbes.com link)

The KFF poll, conducted May 18-25, found that the highest share of unvaccinated respondents were 30-49 years old (41%), followed by 29% ages 18-29 and 20% ages 50-64, while only 9% of those unvaccinated were 65 and older.

So you were wrong. It makes sense that younger people would be most likely to go unvaccinated. COVID is less harmful to younger people, and they're probably cautious in terms of getting a vaccine that hasn't been around for a long time.


Doesn’t make sense to me…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 24, 2021, 12:32:27 pm
Never mind, goddamn it... (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=6ab34c8b42cc) (sorry, Forbes.com link)

The KFF poll, conducted May 18-25, found that the highest share of unvaccinated respondents were 30-49 years old (41%), followed by 29% ages 18-29 and 20% ages 50-64, while only 9% of those unvaccinated were 65 and older.

So you were wrong. It makes sense that younger people would be most likely to go unvaccinated. COVID is less harmful to younger people, and they're probably cautious in terms of getting a vaccine that hasn't been around for a long time.


Doesn’t make sense to me…

Younger people are less affected by Covid, so they're less like to get a vaccine that's been around for less than a year. Maybe 18-29 has higher rates than 30-49 because colleges are mandating it . 50+ are getting it because they're more affected by Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 24, 2021, 12:36:50 pm
Don’t they have parents, grandparents, new babies being born, children under 12, imunnosuppresed people in their families and among friends?


I repeat: makes no sense to me.

You are trying too hard…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 24, 2021, 01:51:18 pm
in the early stages of the pandemic, COVID was described as an old person's disease.  folks were dying almost exclusively in nursing homes and palliative care units.  the news loudly proclaimed that young people were not affected by the disease (took us a while to realize this wasn't true).  folks hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest - so plenty of folks in their 20's and 30's still thing it's not something that will affect them, or at least their risk is very very low.  throw in some disinformation and a dose of peer pressure, and voila...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 24, 2021, 01:55:32 pm
folks hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest


Paul Simon quote!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 24, 2021, 02:13:40 pm
correct, nice catch  ;D 

i use it all the time, very a propos in these divided and hyper-partisan times.  paul wrote some timeless lines...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 24, 2021, 02:20:25 pm
in the early stages of the pandemic, COVID was described as an old person's disease.  folks were dying almost exclusively in nursing homes and palliative care units.  the news loudly proclaimed that young people were not affected by the disease (took us a while to realize this wasn't true).  folks hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest - so plenty of folks in their 20's and 30's still thing it's not something that will affect them, or at least their risk is very very low.  throw in some disinformation and a dose of peer pressure, and voila...

The risk for younger people IS very, very low. Certainly compared to the risk for 40+ and more so 65+ And not every 20something hangs out with their grandparents or has kids or thinks of anyone beyond themselves.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 24, 2021, 03:20:23 pm
or thinks of anyone beyond themselves.

i  initially wrote something to this effect but deleted it.  when i was in my 20's, my priorities were my friends, dates, work/career, and living for the weekend.  it was indeed a very insular and self-centered time in my life.  if i was in any way anti-science, or right-leaning, i could totally see myself not getting a shot at that time.  reminder: many (most?) 20-somethings haven't visited their parents or grandparents since the start of the pandemic.  hell, i went home once a year - if that - during that period of my life.  throw in a pandemic and i'm staying put in my little apartment so who need a vaccination?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 24, 2021, 08:37:41 pm
Nice to see Florida has decided to not count people dying from covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 24, 2021, 08:58:19 pm
Nice to see Florida has decided to not count people dying from covid.

Link?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 24, 2021, 09:11:52 pm
Nice to see Florida has decided to not count people dying from covid.

Link?


Ugh… I can’t link my brain but you can check worldometer and it’s clear
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 24, 2021, 09:29:59 pm
Nice to see Florida has decided to not count people dying from covid.

Link?


Ugh… I can’t link my brain but you can check worldometer and it’s clear

According to NY Times, 464 Covid deaths on Florida today and a seven day average of 200something.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 24, 2021, 09:43:27 pm
If this is incorrect I stand corrected…not sure why the huge discrepancy

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 24, 2021, 09:58:23 pm
If this is incorrect I stand corrected…not sure why the huge discrepancy

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Don't know why the numbers for Florida are wrong on worldometer but the to obviously are. Seem to be reported correctly at least a couple of other places.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 24, 2021, 10:55:54 pm
I think I am onto something


Florida is a mess reporting data… not sure how other outlets get their data but the state is only reporting numbers once a week which is not the same as not reporting but it’s pretty iffy

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/united-states
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 25, 2021, 12:04:44 am
I think I am onto something


Florida is a mess reporting data…

reminder: de santis = trump jr, so of course the truth is optional - and best ignored when inconvenient.

do you not remember Rebekah Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebekah_Jones)?
Former health department employee, Rebekah Jones, granted official whistleblower status (https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/05/28/former-health-department-employee-rebekah-jones-granted-official-whistleblower-status/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 25, 2021, 09:36:36 am
Of course I remember
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 25, 2021, 05:40:01 pm
behavioral economics in action:

Delta will hike insurance premiums and limit sick pay for unvaccinated employees (https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/business/delta-unvaccinated-insurance-cost-increase/index.html)
"The airline said that as of November 1, unvaccinated staff will pay up to $200 a month more for their company health insurance, depending on the coverage. It will also limit the number of sick days unvaccinated employees are allowed to take if they contract Covid-19."
"The average hospital stay for Covid-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person," said the airline. "This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 25, 2021, 05:45:58 pm
Makes sense



But they won’t require employees get vaccinated?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 26, 2021, 03:34:45 am
i guess this is an alternative to a direct mandate: make non-compliance painful.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 26, 2021, 10:58:54 am
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true


As a country we are just nowhere near taking this seriously enough

Virginia had 3500 new cases yesterday…highest since February

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 26, 2021, 11:20:09 am
that event was also cited as the cause of a major spread of the virus last year... but you know FREEDOM and science can't be trusted...

all while reading their "research" from a iPhone...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2021, 11:21:05 am
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true


As a country we are just nowhere near taking this seriously enough

Virginia had 3500 new cases yesterday…highest since February

How many indoor concerts will you be going to this Fall?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2021, 11:22:51 am
lets put together 100k old, fat and in poor health people who are MAGA's and see what happens

I will say, Lollapalooza was the flip side of this...seems like the aftermath of that was almost zero...but haven't seen many follow ups since
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2021, 11:26:43 am
For NFL teams with unvaccinated quarterbacks, this could be a long, complicated season

Jackson said upon returning to the Ravens earlier this month, after testing positive for the virus for the second time in eight months, he remained undecided about being vaccinated.


How can the NFL not mandate vaccination of players at this point?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on August 26, 2021, 11:27:23 am
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true


As a country we are just nowhere near taking this seriously enough

Virginia had 3500 new cases yesterday…highest since February

How many indoor concerts will you be going to this Fall?

At least four to six based on current tickets I have in hand.

Mandatory Vax + Mask should make things basically fine. The paranoia is higgggggggggggggggggggggh!!! Time to wear masks at outdoor soccer fields again!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2021, 11:32:46 am
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true


As a country we are just nowhere near taking this seriously enough

Virginia had 3500 new cases yesterday…highest since February

How many indoor concerts will you be going to this Fall?

At least four to six based on current tickets I have in hand.

Mandatory Vax + Mask should make things basically fine. The paranoia is higgggggggggggggggggggggh!!! Time to wear masks at outdoor soccer fields again!

Basically agree with you. I have tickets to five shows and Snallygaster. I'm not too fearful being fully vaxxed and wearing a mask.

 But what do i say to the people who think I'm being selfish because by doing those things I'm increasing the risk that I'll asymptomatically spread it to little kids (who aren't mine) and the immunocompromised?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on August 26, 2021, 11:35:19 am
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true


As a country we are just nowhere near taking this seriously enough

Virginia had 3500 new cases yesterday…highest since February

How many indoor concerts will you be going to this Fall?

At least four to six based on current tickets I have in hand.

Mandatory Vax + Mask should make things basically fine. The paranoia is higgggggggggggggggggggggh!!! Time to wear masks at outdoor soccer fields again!

Basically agree with you. I have tickets to five shows and Snallygaster. I'm not too fearful being fully vaxxed and wearing a mask.

 But what do i say to the people who think I'm being selfish because by doing those things I'm increasing the risk that I'll asymptomatically spread it to little kids (who aren't mine) and the immunocompromised?

What people think that? Who are you around that would think you're selfish? My advice, stay away from those people... hard to do that, but I can't live my life examined and persecuted for another year like most of the helicopter libs in my hood have done. That's at least my plan.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 26, 2021, 11:38:59 am
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true


As a country we are just nowhere near taking this seriously enough

Virginia had 3500 new cases yesterday…highest since February

How many indoor concerts will you be going to this Fall?


I am sorry Space but am out of time for your stupidity
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2021, 11:45:17 am
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true


As a country we are just nowhere near taking this seriously enough

Virginia had 3500 new cases yesterday…highest since February

How many indoor concerts will you be going to this Fall?


I am sorry Space but am out of time for your stupidity

You're basically saying we're not taking it serious enough, yet you're doing things yourself that increase the risk of spread. Got it. Maybe visit the loo today, because you're full of shit.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 26, 2021, 11:50:59 am
lets put together 100k old, fat and in poor health people who are MAGA's and see what happens

I will say, Lollapalooza was the flip side of this...seems like the aftermath of that was almost zero...but haven't seen many follow ups since


Don’t believe everything you read although they did require proof of vaccination


I think 100,000+ packed events with people coming in from everywhere are a bad idea for the foreseeable future… I realize outdoors is less dangerous but there are other issues… are you staying at a hotel?  How do you get there? Increased travel is a bad idea etx

I don’t believe we can get risk of transmission down to 0 but we can certainly lower it with vaccine proof requirements, masks, common sense, not having mega events etc

When people equate a proven super spreading event like sturgis with a club show requiring proof of vaccination and masks well not much to say really…

The false equivalency is very offputting
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 26, 2021, 12:01:07 pm
Oh and I have been to one show with ten people there -so far -as a patron

I have worked two shows masked and vaccinated


I am ok with myself and my decisions… I certainly haven’t been touring the country repeatedly going to gathering places such as breweries not that I come down on anybody

I will continue to make decisions on a case by case basis using available information including venue requirements

There is a balance between my need to live and perfect safety and that’s a risk point everyone has to determine and assume



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 26, 2021, 12:35:07 pm
These dealing with covid purity tests suck


We all been vaccinated. We wear our masks. We all following recommendations and doing our best in troubled times

WTF?

We are not the problem… the problem is covid and people who refuse to get vaccinated or care




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2021, 12:44:51 pm
These dealing with covid purity tests suck


We all been vaccinated. We wear our masks. We all following recommendations and doing our best in troubled times

WTF?

We are not the problem… the problem is covid and people who refuse to get vaccinated or care


Well given that the vaccinated can spread the virus, we are *less* of the problem. By a factor of however effective against the spread the vaccine we took was. We're also 17 times less likely to be hospitalized if we DO get it than unvaccinated people.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 26, 2021, 12:51:36 pm
Oh and I have been to one show with ten people there -so far -as a patron

I have worked two shows masked and vaccinated


I am ok with myself and my decisions… I certainly haven’t been touring the country repeatedly going to gathering places such as breweries not that I come down on anybody

I will continue to make decisions on a case by case basis using available information including venue requirements

There is a balance between my need to live and perfect safety and that’s a risk point everyone has to determine and assume

Most MAGA people would agree with this statement. They are just willing to assume a greater level of risk. Or ignore the risk altogether.

As a vaxxed person, I'm willing to assume the risk of going to an outdoor brewery. Or going to a brewery masked until i get to my indoor social distanced table (I actually only did this once, because it was 95 degrees in NYC, and my friend begged me to do it because his overweight, asthmatic wife "was wheezing when she went outside for 15 minutes.")

Going to indoor shows masked and vaxxed (where everyone else is as well) is really going to be a mental roll of the dice for me. But I figure my kid being in a school masked and vaxxed where vax is not mandated for 35 hours a week is a bigger risk than going to a handful of shows.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 26, 2021, 01:33:45 pm
yup people would rather shit themselves by taking a horse dewormer instead of a taking a free vaccine...

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1430914726444339200?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2021, 01:52:20 pm
yup people would rather shit themselves by taking a horse dewormer instead of a taking a free vaccine...

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1430914726444339200?s=20
great response
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9unqZuWQAc8VND?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on August 26, 2021, 04:57:54 pm
Got comorbidities? Get Comirnaty™!

Comirnaty is apparently supposed to be a portmanteau of several words (https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2021/8/23/22637955/spikevax-moderna-comirnaty-pfizer-fda-approval-names) — community, immunity, COVID-19, and mRNA
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 26, 2021, 09:18:14 pm



https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on August 26, 2021, 09:29:52 pm
Got comorbidities? Get Comirnaty™!

Comirnaty is apparently supposed to be a portmanteau of several words (https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2021/8/23/22637955/spikevax-moderna-comirnaty-pfizer-fda-approval-names) — community, immunity, COVID-19, and mRNA

by trying to be everything it ends up being nothing, except maybe embarrassing.  what a horrible, horrible name.  doesn't even sound like a drug.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 27, 2021, 05:20:12 pm
Virginia today


+3500 cases
+40 deaths



Worst numbers in many months. It seems we are riding the wave up.


I hope we don’t shut down but am getting a bit worried about kids school.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 27, 2021, 05:59:46 pm
Nine year old kid in Fairfax County died today, Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 29, 2021, 12:31:41 pm
So I guess the Crazy Horse Anthem show is not happening.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-concerts-in-covid-age-these-are-super-spreader-events-1217933/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 30, 2021, 06:13:33 am
Chilling

Thousands of cases tied to a UK music festival and the detection of a variant of the Delta variant they are calling the festival variant.  Note: The story points out this is not a new strain  but yet another variant



Boardmasters festival: New Delta strain believed to have emerged among 53,000 revellers at Cornwall event

EXCLUSIVEAlmost 5,000 infections have been linked to the Boardmasters festival in Cornwall, and with half a million music lovers at even larger events over the Bank Holiday, officials fear revellers are being hit by a new strain of the Delta variant

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/boardmasters-festival-new-delta-strain-cornwall-event-1172393
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 30, 2021, 01:35:29 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/eu-travel-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 30, 2021, 03:31:02 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/eu-travel-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

We're booked for Europe in July. Hope things change by then.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 30, 2021, 03:32:53 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/eu-travel-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

We're booked for Europe in July. Hope things change by then.
I'll be sure to share your concerns with the EU on this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 30, 2021, 03:33:42 pm
Fairfax County is mandating all student athletes be vaccinated in order to participate in athletics. Yay!

The small but very vocal anti-vaxx crowd in Fairfax County goes crazy!





Kim Crosen Luckabaugh
This is a disgusting and heinous overreach on your part! You have to accept exemptions and may not mandate this for participation. This is illegal and unethical!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 30, 2021, 03:34:52 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/eu-travel-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

We're booked for Europe in July. Hope things change by then.
I'll be sure to share your concerns with the EU on this

Tell them I'm a big spender.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on August 30, 2021, 03:35:54 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/eu-travel-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

We're booked for Europe in July. Hope things change by then.


Eh buddy on the internet, I am afraid that if they aren’t allowing Americans into Europe by July 2022 we will have way bigger problems than your vacation
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 30, 2021, 03:47:38 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/eu-travel-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

We're booked for Europe in July. Hope things change by then.


Eh buddy on the internet, I am afraid that if they aren’t allowing Americans into Europe by July 2022 we will have way bigger problems than your vacation

Agree. Yeah, I'm not cancelling, yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 30, 2021, 03:48:32 pm
Kid Rock Monday August 9th
Paraphrasing “American Fuck Yeah, we rocked ya’ll to own them libs”

Kid Rock Thursday August 26th
Paraphrasing “My bad half my vaccinated band now has COVID, let’s do this acoustic instead”

https://twitter.com/paulandstorm/status/1432377827056357378?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 30, 2021, 04:35:29 pm
The Herman Cain Awards

https://twitter.com/HermanCainAward
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 30, 2021, 05:10:30 pm
The Herman Cain Awards

https://twitter.com/HermanCainAward
classic...
Some fierce precog on this person: Joined October 2012
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 30, 2021, 06:51:39 pm

New York Times Pitchbot@DougJBalloon
If Biden was serious about getting conservatives to stop taking ivermectin, he’d start promoting the drug
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on August 30, 2021, 09:58:35 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/eu-travel-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

We're booked for Europe in July. Hope things change by then.

Julian, start the new count on $pace's euro beer vacation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 30, 2021, 10:05:42 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/eu-travel-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

We're booked for Europe in July. Hope things change by then.

Julian, start the new count on $pace's euro beer vacation.
Wait, when did we hold our Shirley Jackson-esque lottery to decide who this task fell to this year? It’s not FAIR! It’s not FAIR, I TELL YOU! We should draw again!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 01, 2021, 01:41:34 pm
Cam Newton's vaccination status may have cost him his career (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/08/cam-newton-mac-jones-vaccine-career-patriots)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2021, 01:54:32 pm
Cam Newton's vaccination status may have cost him his career (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/08/cam-newton-mac-jones-vaccine-career-patriots)

Bill Belichick said Cam Newton’s vaccination status was not a factor in his decision to release the QB

reaaaaly
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2021, 02:50:06 pm

(https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241135781_10219812248644610_5995946400534551029_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=UwaHFTkeviAAX-ZNmuu&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=45e52c2f513a28ccf0f3723fbbfbb92e&oe=61540E77)
technically wasn't posted like this, but the meme is accurate
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 01, 2021, 03:05:28 pm
Cam Newton's vaccination status may have cost him his career (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/08/cam-newton-mac-jones-vaccine-career-patriots)

Bill Belichick said Cam Newton’s vaccination status was not a factor in his decision to release the QB

reaaaaly
Its institutional racism, everyone knows that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 01, 2021, 03:07:23 pm
Mississippi just took the second spot in per capita terms…Louisiana is fourth


These states worked hard to climb up the charts


An interesting look up is where Washington state is…they were the state with the first identified case and were hit hard…at the beginning they were number one
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 01, 2021, 03:37:58 pm

(https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241135781_10219812248644610_5995946400534551029_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=UwaHFTkeviAAX-ZNmuu&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=45e52c2f513a28ccf0f3723fbbfbb92e&oe=61540E77)
technically wasn't posted like this, but the meme is accurate

How do they arrive at that number? And do they mean five times as many unavaccinated Republicans as unvaccinated Democrats?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 01, 2021, 03:41:49 pm
Cam Newton's vaccination status may have cost him his career (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/08/cam-newton-mac-jones-vaccine-career-patriots)

Bill Belichick said Cam Newton’s vaccination status was not a factor in his decision to release the QB

reaaaaly

he had to say this whether it was the truth or not otherwise:
NFLPA reportedly opens investigation of Jags' Urban Meyer, who said vaccine statuses influenced roster cuts (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nflpa-reportedly-opens-investigation-of-jags-urban-meyer-who-said-vaccine-statuses-influenced-roster-cuts/) 

the NFL is going the behavioral route on vaccination: they aren't mandating it, but they are making life hard on those who refuse.  if a team can't play because of COVID cases, the team forfeits the match.  coaches & management's job is to win matches.  if a player represents a risk of losing a game before even stepping on the field because of a personal decision, it's understandable that coaches & management would take that fact into their calculus... but the Players' Association is complaining that making a decision based on vax status is discrimination.  idiots.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 01, 2021, 03:46:46 pm
Exactly…just like that horrible Jags coach
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2021, 04:24:18 pm
How do they arrive at that number? And do they mean five times as many unavaccinated Republicans as unvaccinated Democrats?
I've learned it's best not to challenge an astro-physicist when he throws out stats
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 01, 2021, 04:33:25 pm
How do they arrive at that number? And do they mean five times as many unavaccinated Republicans as unvaccinated Democrats?
I've learned it's best not to challenge an astro-physicist when he throws out stats

But it's not even clear what he is saying.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2021, 04:36:58 pm
How do they arrive at that number? And do they mean five times as many unavaccinated Republicans as unvaccinated Democrats?
I've learned it's best not to challenge an astro-physicist when he throws out stats

But it's not even clear what he is saying.
He's saying the people who vote GOP are dying at 5 times the rate of Dems (from Covid)...keep that going for a year or so and would really impact the voting electorate...right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 01, 2021, 04:46:03 pm
How do they arrive at that number? And do they mean five times as many unavaccinated Republicans as unvaccinated Democrats?
I've learned it's best not to challenge an astro-physicist when he throws out stats

But it's not even clear what he is saying.
He's saying the people who vote GOP are dying at 5 times the rate of Dems (from Covid)...keep that going for a year or so and would really impact the voting electorate...right?

That's not what he's saying. And how would he know? Does he have the voting records of everyone dying?

He's saying 8000 unvaccinated Republicans are dying weekly. And that's five times as great as Democrats. Is the implication then that 1600 unvaccinated Democrats are dying weekly? Where are these numbers coming from? How do they know who is a Republican voter and who is a Democratic voter?

And among the small amount of vaccinated people who are dying, can we assume it's an even split among Republicans and Democrats?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2021, 04:52:38 pm
Hey man take your beef up with NDgT
he's typically pretty reliable when it comes to stats

Feel free to join into the fray on this
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1432657940071297026?s=20

 he answered

Neil deGrasse Tyson@neiltyson
Replying to
@$pacefreely335271
Thanks for asking. Twitter, of course, does not lend itself to full citations.

I derived the number from published COVID-19 death rates of unvaccinated people (about 1,000 per day).  And from the polls that show 25% of Republican voters are unvaccinated, versus 5% of Democrats.


I mean he did get torn apart for this response...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 01, 2021, 05:47:49 pm
Hey man take your beef up with NDgT
he's typically pretty reliable when it comes to stats

Feel free to join into the fray on this
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1432657940071297026?s=20

 he answered

Neil deGrasse Tyson@neiltyson
Replying to
@$pacefreely335271
Thanks for asking. Twitter, of course, does not lend itself to full citations.

I derived the number from published COVID-19 death rates of unvaccinated people (about 1,000 per day).  And from the polls that show 25% of Republican voters are unvaccinated, versus 5% of Democrats.


I mean he did get torn apart for this response...

It would be awesome if the vaccination rate for Republicans and Democrats was 75% and 95% respectively, but it's actually 55% and 88%.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-poll-shows-demographic-breakdown-vaccinated-u-s-n1277514
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 01, 2021, 06:03:32 pm
I really doubt 80% of current deaths are Republicans….but I bet 100% are Americans
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on September 01, 2021, 06:09:21 pm
Tommy Stinson, mild breakthrough case of Covid19, a couple of shows cancelled.

Joe Rogan, Covid diagnosis, and already taking the Ivermectin
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2021, 06:21:27 pm

Joe Rogan, Covid diagnosis, and already taking the Ivermectin

kinda thought you were joking
be funny if in the middle of a show he has to run to the bathroom and doesn't make it

I wonder if he'll get a #HermanCainAward
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 01, 2021, 06:21:57 pm
Tommy Stinson, mild breakthrough case of Covid19, a couple of shows cancelled.

Joe Rogan, Covid diagnosis, and already taking the Ivermectin

Rogan: He quarantined from his family, tested positive for COVID, and then “threw the kitchen sink at it, all kinds of meds.” He then proceeded to list said medicine: “Monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, Z-Pak, prednisone, everything. I also got an NAD drip and a vitamin drip and I did that three days in a row. Here we are on Wednesday, and I feel great.”

Well, great. If he lives through it he'll never know what, if anything, actually helped.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2021, 06:22:57 pm
.but I bet 100% are Americans
Ok, I get that...
I retract my memeingless post
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 01, 2021, 06:32:38 pm
Oh there’s nothing to retract


We are all thinking it



It’s just a sucky time.. sick of it..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 01, 2021, 06:40:24 pm
who would thunk that the square that took me out on the 2021 Apocalypse bingo card was:
Get's canceled for reposting a Neil deGrasse Tyson tweet
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 02, 2021, 09:13:52 am
Tommy Stinson, mild breakthrough case of Covid19, a couple of shows cancelled.

Joe Rogan, Covid diagnosis, and already taking the Ivermectin

Rogan: He quarantined from his family, tested positive for COVID, and then “threw the kitchen sink at it, all kinds of meds.” He then proceeded to list said medicine: “Monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, Z-Pak, prednisone, everything. I also got an NAD drip and a vitamin drip and I did that three days in a row. Here we are on Wednesday, and I feel great.”

Well, great. If he lives through it he'll never know what, if anything, actually helped.


(https://i.ibb.co/xJq8HDN/Screen-Shot-2021-09-02-at-9-11-47-AM.png) (https://twitter.com/anylaurie16/status/1433237120190189569)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 02, 2021, 02:29:33 pm
"Effective Sept. 7, King County has issued a new mask requirement for outdoor events with more than 500 people. This will apply to large outdoor school district events like football."

(and concerts)

king county (pop. 2.3M) includes seattle and all its mainland suburbs, and casa chez sweetcell.  covid cases are currently higher right now then they were at the january peak. 

the way things are looking here now, i wouldn't bet any money on schools remaining open through the fall.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 02, 2021, 02:33:46 pm
way to be a debbie downer...jez that sucks

Just saw Arlington Schools isn't enforcing that all kids need the jab, but if you want to play sports you do
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 02, 2021, 02:42:48 pm
"Effective Sept. 7, King County has issued a new mask requirement for outdoor events with more than 500 people. This will apply to large outdoor school district events like football."

(and concerts)

king county (pop. 2.3M) includes seattle and all its mainland suburbs, and casa chez sweetcell.  covid cases are currently higher right now then they were at the january peak. 

the way things are looking here now, i wouldn't bet any money on schools remaining open through the fall.

People will riot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 02, 2021, 02:55:17 pm
People will riot.
well only parents...right
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 02, 2021, 02:58:07 pm
People will riot.
well only parents...right
Can confirm: no intention to riot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 02, 2021, 03:00:07 pm
the way things are looking here now, i wouldn't bet any money on schools remaining open through the fall.
People will riot.

maybe in the eastern more redneck-y part of the state (spokane, etc.) but here they won't.  every parent i've spoken with (admittedly not a representative sample) is very nervous about sending their kids to school and despite the school board's best efforts, it just isn't working.  my kiddos are having lunch in the gym with hundreds of other maskless kids all seated together at long tables (they have to ear masks the rest of the time while indoors).  it's one of many daily opportunities to spread the virus.  IMO it's just a matter of time before the first cases show up.

they've already closed down schools in texas (https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/us/coronavirus-texas-teacher-deaths-trnd/index.html), florida (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253921593.html), and many other (mostly southern) states.  no signs of rioting there - you think hippie pacific northwesterners are going to act up?  or that there will be a popular uprising in NoVa?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 02, 2021, 03:07:12 pm
Just got letter over email from my younger kids school principal here in Arlington

A kid in K and another in 4th grade have tested positive

My kid is in the 4th grade

And no it’s not my kid…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 02, 2021, 03:15:22 pm
Just got letter over email from my younger kids school principal here in Arlington

A kid in K and another in 4th grade have tested positive

My kid is in the 4th grade

And no it’s not my kid…

We've gotten those emails multiple days. With a high school population of 2500, that's to be expected. Though it's mostly elementary kids at this point, but the looks of the dashboard.

https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/fcps-confirmed-covid-19-case-reporting
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 02, 2021, 04:13:27 pm
I really doubt 80% of current deaths are Republicans….but I bet 100% are Americans

As a former math teacher, it's my duty to remind you that a 5:1 death ratio would mean 83.4% of deaths would be Republicans, not 80%. Anyway, I'm pretty certain Neil's numbers are hogwash.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 03, 2021, 12:17:12 pm
the way things are looking here now, i wouldn't bet any money on schools remaining open through the fall.
People will riot.

maybe in the eastern more redneck-y part of the state (spokane, etc.) but here they won't. 

and of course folks in the South have to do things crazy style:

A school ordered a student to quarantine. His dad and 2 men confronted the principal with zip ties, official says. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/03/arizona-dad-confronts-principal-quarantine-zipties/)

so how much longer before a school official is kidnapped and/or killed by an insane parent?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2021, 12:24:37 pm

so how much longer before a school official is kidnapped and/or killed by an insane parent?
not long sadly
If I see another school board meeting where a parent yells at them for being under demonic possession and being brainwashed I'm going to lose it ...oh wait three more just showed up in my twitter feed

What scares me is all the Q-nut-jobs all are going to be running for school board and the ones who know what they are doing and have been doing it for years are just going to say 'hell no, take this job that sucks anyway' next thing you know they are going to do virginity checks in the Dr's office and praying in class in lieu of the pledge
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on September 03, 2021, 02:03:01 pm
What scares me is all the Q-nut-jobs all are going to be running for school board and the ones who know what they are doing and have been doing it for years are just going to say 'hell no, take this job that sucks anyway' next thing you know they are going to do virginity checks in the Dr's office and praying in class in lieu of the pledge

Cut back on your Handmaid's Tale intake....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 03, 2021, 04:20:26 pm
jeebus on a pogo stick... heads-up, walkies:

Get the vaccine or get fired? In Shenandoah Valley, some nurses choose termination. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vaccine-mandate-nurses-virginia-covid/2021/08/13/493c906a-fad3-11eb-9c0e-97e29906a970_story.html)

"“We are not ‘anti-vax,’ ” said Brittany Watson, a behavioral health nurse at the Winchester hospital, who started a group called the Valley Health Workers Association to rally others opposed to the vaccine mandate. “We’ve done all the vaccines that you get when you grow up — but those have been around for decades. But this one, there’s so much propaganda around it. It doesn’t make any sense.”

Her girlfriend, Katie Hart, a certified family nurse practitioner at Valley Health’s urgent care facility in Martinsburg, W.Va, said they might be more willing to consider the shot if they didn’t feel coerced.

Now, though, they were willing to lose their livelihoods if that’s what refusing the vaccine would mean. Hart said they would not budge. “This is the hill to die on,” she said."

who are all these oppositional-defiant toddlers?!?  they'd "consider the shot if they didn’t feel coerced"??  MAH FREEEDUMBZ!!!  i'd consider wearing a seat belt if i didn't feel coerced?  i'd consider putting on clothes in public if i didn't feel coerced?  i'd consider not killing everyone if i didn't feel coerced? 

this addiction to absolute freedom is way out of hand:
A hospital refused to give ivermectin to a covid patient. Then a judge ordered doctors to administer it. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/31/ohio-ivermectin-lawsuit-hospital-covid/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 03, 2021, 04:24:51 pm
Here’s what we know about the mu variant (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/03/mu-coronavirus-variant-explained/)

About 2,000 mu cases have been identified in the United States, so far
Most cases have been recorded in California, Florida, Texas and New York among others.
the delta variant remains the cause of over 99 percent of cases in the country.

It’s unclear how much protection the vaccines offer against this variant. “The Mu variant has a constellation of mutations that indicate potential properties of immune escape,” the WHO said in a statement Tuesday, raising concerns that it may be more resistant to coronavirus vaccines than other variants. “But this needs to be confirmed by further studies,” it added.

current evidence showed that it was likely “more transmissible” than the original coronavirus strain.


have a great long weekend folks!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2021, 04:26:26 pm
can you at least post something with a moose swimming to at least send this labor day weekend off on a happy note...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 03, 2021, 04:36:57 pm

Moo variant:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/AtomHeartMotherCover.jpeg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 03, 2021, 06:05:46 pm
I thought it had to do with the KLF and Ancients of Mu Mu Ancients of Mu Mu
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 03, 2021, 06:17:28 pm
Boy that horse dewormer is the best thing going

BREAKING: People are backing up hospitals in Oklahoma by overdosing on horse dewormer medication. A doctor said that people are now even reporting vision loss. “The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims are having a hard time [getting treated]."

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1433827326261858304?s=21

If only there were something free out there… hmmm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 03, 2021, 06:23:12 pm
People are backing up hospitals

“The ERs are so backed up

some writer was clearly having fun with this, because the effect of ivermectin is that you crap yourself non-stop, possibly to the point of death.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 03, 2021, 06:24:07 pm
I thought it had to do with the KLF and Ancients of Mu Mu Ancients of Mu Mu
looks like the Mu came two years to early

2023: A trilogy by the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu review – the KLF are back (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/sep/07/2023-trilogy-justified-ancients-of-mu-mu-review)
article from 2017

this is also pretty wild and had no idea what to expect and was pleasantly surprised by this
The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu - Come Down Dawn (Full Chapter) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W99Sn3lYY10)

now I want to hear the original
The first 17 minutes of this is Chill Out verbatim but with far superior audio quality... The second half is still Chill Out but with the copyrighted samples removed, the last 10 minutes however is a new mix with elements of 'Waiting' 'Chill Out' 'This Is Not What...' and a few FX from The White Room movie.

The samples removed were from Elvis, Hendrix, Fleetwood Mac, Earth Wind & Fire and Acker Bilk... The Kopyright Litigation Front!


edit...
I know this is the Covid thread, but I don't think I ever knew about The KLF ‎– Chill Out
original CD's of this are going for $70  and 1st pressing vinyl with the samples go in the $200 rage

Hutch I assume you have this on both formats (and likely made me listen to it)?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 03, 2021, 07:37:01 pm
Well Chill Out is one of my favorites!!!

It was my comedown album for a while

it’s a wonderful record…a personal favorite I have listened to a lot… it would probably make my top 100 albums list

I have a really good bootleg of the original on LP


I can’t imagine it without all the samples!

I recently saw an original at the record store but it was expensive!

It just really relaxes me! It lives up to the name

Can’t say enough good stuff about it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 04, 2021, 08:35:22 am

I can’t imagine it with out all the samples
Well the internet delivers as I found a YouTube with the original version

I have kinda always disliked the KLF with that stupid DR. Who song (and I moderately like dr who…. At least the one with the long scarf) and ‘live house’. With the crowd noise
I am sure they did some remixes I liked…
But never knew they released this
Only 30 years late to the party
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 04, 2021, 09:10:56 am
What scares me is all the Q-nut-jobs all are going to be running for school board and the ones who know what they are doing and have been doing it for years are just going to say 'hell no, take this job that sucks anyway' next thing you know they are going to do virginity checks in the Dr's office and praying in class in lieu of the pledge

Cut back on your Handmaid's Tale intake....
People like this will be running the school boards if we let them run unopposed
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-ZnKE4UcAAXz6P?format=jpg&name=large)

Tbh… some good things in there
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 04, 2021, 09:21:46 am
What scares me is all the Q-nut-jobs all are going to be running for school board and the ones who know what they are doing and have been doing it for years are just going to say 'hell no, take this job that sucks anyway' next thing you know they are going to do virginity checks in the Dr's office and praying in class in lieu of the pledge

Cut back on your Handmaid's Tale intake....
People like this will be running the school boards if we let them run unopposed
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-ZnKE4UcAAXz6P?format=jpg&name=large)

Tbh… some good things in there

Was going to say the same thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 04, 2021, 09:25:21 am
UK panel does not recommend COVID vaccines for healthy 12- to 15-year-olds

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-advisers-decide-against-covid-vaccines-healthy-12-15-year-olds-2021-09-03/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 04, 2021, 11:10:21 am
One last quote on the school board issue, that I think sums the current situation up

@kitzeeipe

I taught for 40 years, and all that time we desperately tried to get parents involved in their children's education; attend PTA meetings, back-to-school nights, etc. but they couldn't be bothered. Now they're coming but bringing demands, guns, and zip ties. God help us!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 04, 2021, 07:17:37 pm
Vax with no jab….    Very promising

Could give to your maga relatives in their white claw
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02385-x

India’s DNA COVID vaccine is a world first – more are coming
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 04, 2021, 08:13:11 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-bdz37VQAEZ1hr?format=png&name=900x900) (https://twitter.com/stilgherrian/status/1434077465815629826?s=20)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 05, 2021, 06:01:24 pm
Boy that horse dewormer is the best thing going

BREAKING: People are backing up hospitals in Oklahoma by overdosing on horse dewormer medication. A doctor said that people are now even reporting vision loss. “The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims are having a hard time [getting treated]."

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1433827326261858304?s=21

If only there were something free out there… hmmm

Apparently this story isn’t true.. the doctor quoted in the original article hasn’t worked in the ER in a couple months….


https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1434362029444239361?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 06, 2021, 08:01:50 am
Yikes the number of people passing along that story, me included… and yes a very sad part of me wanted to believe this was true, which is why I so gleefully passed it along.. oh well misinformation can ensnare us all

https://twitter.com/drewholden360/status/1434591443855753220?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 06, 2021, 10:13:30 am
Tangent: as people continue to talk about “how full hospitals are”, I truly wonder if 99% of them have any concept of what percentage of hospital beds are filled on any given day, pre-COVID. It’s much higher than people are thinking.

Hospitals make money by having beds full. It’s what hospital administrators retain or lose their jobs based on. I’m not acting like COVID has not increased the number of beds full or shifted the percentage of filled beds by severity, but I get the impression that people think 25% of beds were full precovid and now we are at 95% and the real situation is it went from 80% to 90%.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 06, 2021, 08:23:21 pm
yeah, it's kind of a third rail topic
but my (quite possibly, ill informed) understanding is that beds filled is always in the 80% or up, so just little blips can cause a full house
can't keep having that kind of stuff, but that's why a for-profit health care system kinda sucks

 I was hoping the dems would have taken this moment to pass a real change in health care
when I talk about issues that hit my wallet...my 'employer based' plan a significant portion of my take home pay to just cover the premiums

but apparently that off the table, we can have a pandemic AND fix our fucked health care system
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 06, 2021, 08:34:39 pm
yeah, it's kind of a third rail topic
but my (quite possibly, ill informed) understanding is that beds filled is always in the 80% or up, so just little blips can cause a full house
can't keep having that kind of stuff, but that's why a for-profit health care system kinda sucks
Yes. This is actually quite a well-informed take. If hospitals were sitting 85% empty every day, they wouldn’t have been built the size they are. Managing capacity along the continuum that most hospitals own (the actual hospital, a SNF, an ortho/rehab facility, a skilled home health arm, a hospice agency, etc) is major lever in vertically integrated health care systems which is what you see dominating the markets. They’re not running at 50% capacity, trust me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 07, 2021, 12:23:53 pm
What scares me is all the Q-nut-jobs all are going to be running for school board and the ones who know what they are doing and have been doing it for years are just going to say 'hell no, take this job that sucks anyway' next thing you know they are going to do virginity checks in the Dr's office and praying in class in lieu of the pledge

Cut back on your Handmaid's Tale intake....
People like this will be running the school boards if we let them run unopposed
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-ZnKE4UcAAXz6P?format=jpg&name=large)

Tbh… some good things in there

Was going to say the same thing.

hitler has a few objectively good ideas too.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 07, 2021, 12:46:38 pm
^^ OK, Marge Schott.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 07, 2021, 12:50:42 pm
^^ OK, Marge Schott.

lol ;D

difference is that she said it sincerely, while i'm saying it sarcastically.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 08, 2021, 10:25:13 am
IMP tries to clear up their mask policy (after 10/16, you need a jab)

MASKS ARE REQUIRED
Per the Mayor’s mandate, masks are required to be worn indoors, regardless of vaccination status, except while actively eating or drinking. This means that you can briefly remove or lower your mask to take a sip or a bite, then immediately put it back on. This does not mean you don’t need to wear a mask if you have a drink in your hand. IF YOU REFUSE TO WEAR A MASK YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SHOW WITHOUT A REFUND. IT’S YOUR CHOICE.

this was funny
(https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/241638115_218164363694681_4966033630734641783_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=iEtDOY-OKTAAX8g6FOj&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=89e085e61487089b980610e02f66465a&oe=613E579B)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 09, 2021, 03:48:53 pm
As long as you are 40+, your child's risk of hospitalization is the same and risk of death is lower than yours even if you have been fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine and they have not. This data comes from Public Health England.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...veillance_report_-_week_36.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2021, 08:13:55 am
Uh-oh, we're in trouble now.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1436131186871578628

Hutch, were you the person who said we'd never see vaccine mandates?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2021, 08:25:13 am
"What is the effect of the top pilots - who refused the “vaccine” - quitting?"

Uh . . . I think I'll continue to be just fine?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on September 10, 2021, 08:26:32 am
Uh-oh, we're in trouble now.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1436131186871578628

Hutch, were you the person who said we'd never see vaccine mandates?

Nothing says credibility like a numbskull former jar head.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 10, 2021, 08:28:26 am
Did I?

It all seems long ago

A mandate for military will meet some resistance but can be done


a national mandate seems impossible under our system of government…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 10, 2021, 08:29:13 am
I prefer to shun people like Dykstra
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2021, 08:34:42 am
I prefer to shun people like Dykstra

I hear ya. And I'm not sure it was you, or what exactly was said. My memory is not that good.

BTW, I don't think that's Dykstra in the video. He looks way older and worse than they guy these days.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 10, 2021, 08:45:45 am
Someone please stop me from going down the Lenny Dykstra rabbit hole.

https://pagesix.com/2017/09/07/lenny-dykstra-tries-to-slide-into-lena-dunhams-dms/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 10, 2021, 08:53:46 am
Someone please stop me from going down the Lenny Dykstra rabbit hole.

https://pagesix.com/2017/09/07/lenny-dykstra-tries-to-slide-into-lena-dunhams-dms/
"Looks like Lenny Dykstra is still swinging for the fences."

Guys, I'm probably the worlds biggest Girls fan, but there is no way hitting on Lena Dunham qualifies as "swinging for the fences."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 10, 2021, 12:18:36 pm
Uh-oh, we're in trouble now.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1436131186871578628 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1436131186871578628)

Hutch, were you the person who said we'd never see vaccine mandates?

i don't believe his numbers.  at all.

"and, like, 100,000 cooks from mess halls across the country are leaving too!"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 11, 2021, 12:30:27 am
Uh-oh, we're in trouble now.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1436131186871578628 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1436131186871578628)

Hutch, were you the person who said we'd never see vaccine mandates?

i don't believe his numbers.  at all.

Fact-checking the false but viral story about F-22 pilots resigning after a vaccination text from the secretary of defense
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/10/politics/fact-check-f-22-pilots-quit-vaccine-secretary-of-defense/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/10/politics/fact-check-f-22-pilots-quit-vaccine-secretary-of-defense/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 11, 2021, 08:51:58 am
Uh-oh, we're in trouble now.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1436131186871578628 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1436131186871578628)

Hutch, were you the person who said we'd never see vaccine mandates?

i don't believe his numbers.  at all.

Fact-checking the false but viral story about F-22 pilots resigning after a vaccination text from the secretary of defense
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/10/politics/fact-check-f-22-pilots-quit-vaccine-secretary-of-defense/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/10/politics/fact-check-f-22-pilots-quit-vaccine-secretary-of-defense/index.html)

Are you saying Kenny Dykstra swung for the fence and missed? No date with Lena for him.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 11, 2021, 09:32:03 am
I guess what I meant is I couldn’t see a mandate telling all eligible  Americans that they must be vaccinated but I am not clear about the legal precedents. It seems president can do more than I thought….

Am glad Biden is trying to be more proactive. Overdue.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on September 14, 2021, 12:37:36 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/i-m-an-infectious-disease-expert-and-warn-you-don-t-go-here/ss-AAOqRQU?ocid=entnewsntp

So what you're saying is... don't do anything again!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 14, 2021, 12:53:44 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/i-m-an-infectious-disease-expert-and-warn-you-don-t-go-here/ss-AAOqRQU?ocid=entnewsntp

So what you're saying is... don't do anything again!
1.  Music Festivals or Any Large, Tightly-Packed Outdoor Gatherings
Over the past month, we've seen rather disconcerting news from Michigan and Oregon tying COVID-19 outbreaks to two separate outdoor music festivals held in each state. In Michigan, at least 96 cases can be traced to the Faster Horses Festival in July. That same month, Oregon held the Pendleton Whisky Music Fest which led to at least 62 new infections.

While neither event required people to be vaccinated, attendees were required to wear masks and to maintain an appropriate distance, though images from the events suggested not all attendees followed the rules.

some holes in their data


I would like to see if there was a follow up to Lola...as that was a great test case of getting a lot of people tightly packed (and I think generally unmasked....but vaxed)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on September 14, 2021, 03:45:05 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/i-m-an-infectious-disease-expert-and-warn-you-don-t-go-here/ss-AAOqRQU?ocid=entnewsntp

So what you're saying is... don't do anything again!
1.  Music Festivals or Any Large, Tightly-Packed Outdoor Gatherings
Over the past month, we've seen rather disconcerting news from Michigan and Oregon tying COVID-19 outbreaks to two separate outdoor music festivals held in each state. In Michigan, at least 96 cases can be traced to the Faster Horses Festival in July. That same month, Oregon held the Pendleton Whisky Music Fest which led to at least 62 new infections.

While neither event required people to be vaccinated, attendees were required to wear masks and to maintain an appropriate distance, though images from the events suggested not all attendees followed the rules.

some holes in their data


I would like to see if there was a follow up to Lola...as that was a great test case of getting a lot of people tightly packed (and I think generally unmasked....but vaxed)

I've been to approximately 10 concerts now with anywhere from 5k to 40k people and with various rules around masks, vaccination, etc. I've yet to get the VID, however, I'm a wee nervous about my first visit to the 930 club this week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 14, 2021, 03:58:46 pm
I've yet to get the VID, however, I'm a wee nervous about my first visit to the 930 club this week.
I think you'll be fine. By all accounts, it's female massage-therapists Seth targets.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 14, 2021, 04:16:55 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/i-m-an-infectious-disease-expert-and-warn-you-don-t-go-here/ss-AAOqRQU?ocid=entnewsntp

So what you're saying is... don't do anything again!
1.  Music Festivals or Any Large, Tightly-Packed Outdoor Gatherings
Over the past month, we've seen rather disconcerting news from Michigan and Oregon tying COVID-19 outbreaks to two separate outdoor music festivals held in each state. In Michigan, at least 96 cases can be traced to the Faster Horses Festival in July. That same month, Oregon held the Pendleton Whisky Music Fest which led to at least 62 new infections.

While neither event required people to be vaccinated, attendees were required to wear masks and to maintain an appropriate distance, though images from the events suggested not all attendees followed the rules.

some holes in their data


I would like to see if there was a follow up to Lola...as that was a great test case of getting a lot of people tightly packed (and I think generally unmasked....but vaxed)

I've been to approximately 10 concerts now with anywhere from 5k to 40k people and with various rules around masks, vaccination, etc. I've yet to get the VID, however, I'm a wee nervous about my first visit to the 930 club this week.

My kid has logged 112 school hours in a school with 2500 students where vaccination is not required and hasn't contracted it yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 14, 2021, 04:40:07 pm
so pretty much all the MAGAs were right and we don't need to mask or vax...just trying to follow along with your anecdotal evidence
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on September 14, 2021, 04:54:49 pm
all the ones that haven't died...yet
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 14, 2021, 05:04:34 pm
so pretty much all the MAGAs were right and we don't need to mask or vax...just trying to follow along with your anecdotal evidence

I'm not sure I'm following what you're saying. My kid is vaxxed, and masking is required.

Just like at the 9:30 Club. Except it's one better there...they don't let the non-vaxxed in the door.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 14, 2021, 05:17:19 pm
don't worry guys, I don't care...just pointing out your anecdotal examples

Meanwhile in MD...

Maryland Zoo to vaccinate certain animals against COVID (https://www.axios.com/maryland-zoo-vaccine-covid-e3d825d9-0a82-477e-bf78-81ddc609e132.html)
wonder if zoo's will have a higher vax rate than red states
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 14, 2021, 05:18:28 pm
don't worry guys, I don't care...just pointing out your anecdotal examples

Meanwhile in MD...

Maryland Zoo to vaccinate certain animals against COVID (https://www.axios.com/maryland-zoo-vaccine-covid-e3d825d9-0a82-477e-bf78-81ddc609e132.html)
wonder if zoo's will have a higher vax rate than red states

Not sure, but they'll have a greater incidence of worms.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 14, 2021, 05:19:24 pm
don't worry guys, I don't care...just pointing out your anecdotal examples

Meanwhile in MD...

Maryland Zoo to vaccinate certain animals against COVID (https://www.axios.com/maryland-zoo-vaccine-covid-e3d825d9-0a82-477e-bf78-81ddc609e132.html)
wonder if zoo's will have a higher vax rate than red states

Not sure, but they'll have a greater incidence of worms.
that's the stat!  who has more worms...zoo animals or Maga's
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 14, 2021, 07:36:33 pm
I think this is coming to independent venues….

https://m.facebook.com/nivassoc/photos/a.105299917822011/397236171961716/?type=3&source=48
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 14, 2021, 07:54:30 pm
I think this is coming to independent venues….

https://m.facebook.com/nivassoc/photos/a.105299917822011/397236171961716/?type=3&source=48

great initiative.

self-righteous blowback from rightwing blowhards in three... two... 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 15, 2021, 03:29:30 pm
so get this...the Libs are vax shaming the maga's because we want them to die?
and because they don't want to be owned by the libs, I guess dying is the only solution??
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/

If I wanted to use reverse psychology to convince people not to get a life-saving vaccination, I would do exactly what Stern and the left are doing… I would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, Hey, fuck you, I’m never getting vaccinated!


umm that's not the 'normal' human response
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 15, 2021, 03:39:47 pm
so get this...the Libs are vax shaming the maga's because we want them to die?
and because they don't want to be owned by the libs, I guess dying is the only solution??
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/

If I wanted to use reverse psychology to convince people not to get a life-saving vaccination, I would do exactly what Stern and the left are doing… I would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, Hey, fuck you, I’m never getting vaccinated!


umm that's not the 'normal' human response

Wow, just wow to that article.

To this question:

Who wants to feel like they’re caving to a guy who’s such a piece of shit he publicly mocks people who have died.

I reply:

Remember when Rush Limbaugh read off names of people who died of AIDS while he played "Another One Bites the Dust."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 15, 2021, 03:55:56 pm
knowing the human response would be, Hey, fuck you, I’m never getting vaccinated!

umm that's not the 'normal' human response

it is for the right.  if biden told people to not drink bleach, there would be a run on clorox tomorrow in red states.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 16, 2021, 12:33:04 pm
VA with the QR code for the win...

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/news/2021-news-releases/virginia-department-of-health-announces-launch-of-qr-codes-to-verify-covid-19-vaccination-status-qr-codes-are-secure-and-private-for-users-easy-for-businesses/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 17, 2021, 11:14:56 am
Imagine having 19 year old lardass Hunter Pepper as your city councilman.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/17/hunter-pepper-decatur-alabama-covid/

Alabama councilman, 19, hospitalized with covid after opposing mask mandate: ‘Terrible not to be able to breathe’
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: evilizac on September 17, 2021, 11:21:04 am
As if being anti-vaxx wasn't enough, I've started getting Facebook ads for American flag "anti-alarm" seat belt clips.
I'm sure that they're a hit with the Libertarian crowd. We all gotta go sometime I guess.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 17, 2021, 11:29:30 am
I've started getting Facebook ads for American flag "anti-alarm" seat belt clips.
please share, my google-fu produced nothing on this
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 17, 2021, 11:35:18 am
I've started getting Facebook ads for American flag "anti-alarm" seat belt clips.
please share, my google-fu produced nothing on this
Most if not all modern cars beep if they detect someone is sitting in a seat but the seatbelt is unfastened. Most cars have some secret combination of buttons you can push to turn this off (or use the mechanic sensor thing to change the setting in the cars computer), but some people have made, basically, a stand-alone seatbelt clip that you put in the buckle that tricks the car “the seat belt is fastened,” despite it not being the actual seatbelt clip that’s attached to the belt that goes over your body.

EDIT: This (https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Buckle-Metal-Belts-Clip/dp/B087Q4PPJ8/ref=asc_df_B087Q4PPJ8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=434703147253&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10427827332482109372&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9008471&hvtargid=pla-910596698636&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=104974598150&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=434703147253&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10427827332482109372&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9008471&hvtargid=pla-910596698636), but colored with US flags and MAGA slogans so people who see it know you're endangering your life as a statement against the tyranny of seatbelt laws.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 17, 2021, 11:40:32 am
Ahh...the darwin clip
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 17, 2021, 12:04:26 pm
yowza: the big cats at the National Zoo have tested positive for coronavirus.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 19, 2021, 07:40:12 am
Moderna baby!

https://news.yahoo.com/big-gap-between-pfizer-moderna-034719881.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 19, 2021, 10:07:03 am
Moderna baby!

https://news.yahoo.com/big-gap-between-pfizer-moderna-034719881.html
Spikevax family unite!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 19, 2021, 04:23:00 pm
Just scheduled my FOURTH dose, y’all.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 19, 2021, 07:25:58 pm
Just scheduled my FOURTH dose, y’all.

BOOM!!!

You are the man!


I am still clinging to my second like a fly on a horse’s ass
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 19, 2021, 08:05:00 pm
Just scheduled my FOURTH dose, y’all.

Way to go! Don't let the CDC deter you!

Seems like you should do Moderna this time?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 19, 2021, 11:43:58 pm
Just scheduled my FOURTH dose, y’all.

Way to go! Don't let the CDC deter you!

Seems like you should do Moderna this time?
My original two doses were moderna, then I publicly got J&J to show I didn’t believe it was a second rate vaccine, now I’m getting a Moderna booster. No Pfizer.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 20, 2021, 04:07:15 pm
As of today, COVID-19 has caused more deaths than the 1918 flu pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2021, 04:19:12 pm
As of today, COVID-19 has caused more deaths than the 1918 flu pandemic.
tis true and a sad milestone, but it is a relative number as well

The Census Bureau estimates the US population in 1918 as 103,208,000 persons
figures suggest the 1918-1919 U.S. epidemic infected about 25.8 million Americans and killed about .6% of the U.S. population.

current U.S. epidemic has infected 8.9% of Americans and killed .16% of our population.


So yes, 600k is 600k people dying, but that was between 3 and 4 times more deadly and I'd bet there was massive under reporting on the poor and the numbers are even higher
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 20, 2021, 04:21:34 pm
Oh good point. I guess that means we shouldn't really claim victory until 2.5 million Americans are dead.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 20, 2021, 04:23:36 pm
Oh good point. I guess that means we shouldn't really claim victory until 2.5 million Americans are dead.
FLU INFLATION PARTY 2023!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 20, 2021, 04:31:15 pm
As of today, COVID-19 has caused more deaths than the 1918 flu pandemic.
tis true and a sad milestone, but it is a relative number as well

The Census Bureau estimates the US population in 1918 as 103,208,000 persons
figures suggest the 1918-1919 U.S. epidemic infected about 25.8 million Americans and killed about .6% of the U.S. population.

current U.S. epidemic has infected 8.9% of Americans and killed .16% of our population.


So yes, 600k is 600k people dying, but that was between 3 and 4 times more deadly and I'd bet there was massive under reporting on the poor and the numbers are even higher


What a stupid thing to say…it is not a relative number..it is an absolute number

I mean geez ….first of all its almost 700,000 deaths and counting… still going!!

Whether it’s a smaller share of population doesn’t change the absolute number of deaths…of lives ended… is greater… real human people


And the argument about people not being counted can also be made today! Or are you saying everyone is being counted?

There isn’t need to minimize this…


At least you didn’t trot out that the so called Spanish Flu disproportionately killed younger people





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 20, 2021, 04:38:24 pm
You ought to think before posting such garbage Sidehatch


My sons’ grandfather - T’s dad- died from covid

Real people with real families and friends.

Not just a number.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 20, 2021, 04:45:51 pm
You ought to think before posting such garbage Sidehatch


My sons’ grandfather - T’s dad- died from covid

Real people with real families and friends.

Not just a number.
I don’t think pointing out that communicable disease counts are not apples to apples comparisons within wildly disparate population counts is somehow denying the humanity or seriousness of people who passed away.

Comparing the number of deaths from COVID19 to the 1918 flu is, ostensibly, an attempt to put what we are seeing in a historical context. Other points of context around that are also important - that’s what “a historical context” means.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 20, 2021, 04:51:17 pm
Historical Context: 700,000 people is more than attend a season of Washington Football.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 20, 2021, 04:55:21 pm
It’s stupid


First of all because it’s still going on so we are comparing an ongoing pandemic’s current death numbers to the end result of a previous pandemic

It also misses the mark in that we have huge advantages compared to 1918 and STILL the number of deaths is stratospheric… if covid had happened in 1918 with 1918 science and medicine it may well have killed a much higher percentage of the population

Where is that in the historical context? It says it’s not as deadly

We have no idea what the final toll will be! Hopefully it will be about the 800,000 we are at (yes I am counting uncounted)

And I don’t get what purpose it serves… it seems to say covid is not as bad…or it’s better?

Well I am sure the bubonic plague was worse but so what?


It’s just a very distasteful and stupid thing to say

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2021, 05:18:45 pm
Oh good point. I guess that means we shouldn't really claim victory until 2.5 million Americans are dead.
Ok people, I never said that and started off with it is a sad and TRUE milestone

they are both pandemics, but 25% of the population vs less than 9 is a big difference

not sure how this devalues the lives of anyone who died

It also misses the mark in that we have huge advantages compared to 1918 and STILL the number of deaths is stratospheric… if covid had happened in 1918 with 1918 science and medicine it may well have killed a much higher percentage of the population

I believe this to be true as well

I would also venture to guess the obesity rates between now and 1918 are off the charts too

it seems to say covid is not as bad…or it’s better?
it was to say they are different and the 1918 was pretty freaking bad
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 20, 2021, 05:52:14 pm
Again. For the third time. The current pandemic is ongoing. Covid is not done with us.

So I fail to see the value in comparing death toll rates between the two.

The way things are going there will be many more deaths in America from covid this year than there were last year.

I fear people have become numb.

Maybe there is also an element of liberals that no longer want to talk about numbers cause at some point it’s likely more people will have died from covid in America under President Biden than Trump.

I really don’t hear anyone calling out Biden on this covid handling. People just blame the unvaccinated.

Anyways am out on this

#FuckCovid
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2021, 07:16:35 pm
#FuckCovid
can confirm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 21, 2021, 03:35:34 am
As of today, COVID-19 has caused more deaths than the 1918 flu pandemic.
tis true and a sad milestone, but it is a relative number as well

The coronavirus death toll has equaled the 1918 flu pandemic. Here are some key caveats. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/16/coronavirus-death-toll-is-approaching-1918-flu-pandemic-with-some-key-caveats/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 21, 2021, 08:31:20 am
As of today, COVID-19 has caused more deaths than the 1918 flu pandemic.
tis true and a sad milestone, but it is a relative number as well

The coronavirus death toll has equaled the 1918 flu pandemic. Here are some key caveats. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/16/coronavirus-death-toll-is-approaching-1918-flu-pandemic-with-some-key-caveats/)
NOT CAVEATS!! Starsky is going to be so mad!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 21, 2021, 04:19:58 pm
What is wrong with us?


https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/us/no-mask-policy-restaurant-couple-texas-trnd/index.html

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 22, 2021, 07:58:47 am
What is wrong with us?


https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/us/no-mask-policy-restaurant-couple-texas-trnd/index.html

It's not just us.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/21/germany-mask-gas-station-shooting/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 22, 2021, 11:41:30 am
Remember the Demon Seed 'dr' and her merry band of 'drs' who gave a 'performance' (billed as America's Frontline Doctors) in front of the SCOTUS and ...welp may I reintroduce you to Florida’s new Surgeon General, Dr. Joseph Ladapo,

https://twitter.com/jayobtv/status/1440428431523545091?s=20

apparently you can get a  $90 for a telemedicine appointment with one of their "doctors" you can get some dewormer
So should we crowdfund so we can get Julian to call them?

I didn't realize they were still in the grift game, but operators are available to take your call (and you $)
https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 22, 2021, 11:51:53 am
speaking of grifting and medical issues.

i saw there is a cancer deniers conference in nashville this weekend...

what could possibly go wrong
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 22, 2021, 12:47:41 pm
Is The Worst Over? Modelers Predict A Steady Decline In COVID Cases Through March

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/22/1039272244/is-the-worst-over-modelers-predict-a-steady-decline-in-covid-cases-through-march

Americans may be able to breathe a tentative sigh of relief soon, according to researchers studying the trajectory of the pandemic.

The delta surge appears to be peaking nationally, and cases and deaths will likely decline steadily now through the spring without a significant winter surge, according to a new analysis shared with NPR by a consortium of researchers advising the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 24, 2021, 01:19:51 pm
In the middle of the View airing today
Sunny and Ana have been asked to leave the ABC studio because they tested positive for COVID.

https://twitter.com/LiveOnTheChat/status/1441423559516213248?s=20

man the cast of the View is like the drummers in Spinal Tap


also I think if that you are “vaccinated up the wazoo”...you are doing it wrong
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on September 24, 2021, 02:40:41 pm
Is The Worst Over? Modelers Predict A Steady Decline In COVID Cases Through March

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/22/1039272244/is-the-worst-over-modelers-predict-a-steady-decline-in-covid-cases-through-march

Americans may be able to breathe a tentative sigh of relief soon, according to researchers studying the trajectory of the pandemic.

The delta surge appears to be peaking nationally, and cases and deaths will likely decline steadily now through the spring without a significant winter surge, according to a new analysis shared with NPR by a consortium of researchers advising the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Okay, cool. So will there still be mask requirements in the Vegas casinos in January? Odds?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 24, 2021, 08:35:44 pm
Odds yes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 27, 2021, 01:03:22 pm
got an email from my employer this morning: show proof of vax by 11/11 or prepare to be fired.  the missus is also under a corporate mandate to get the shot.  obviously not a problem for either of us since we got moderna'ed as soon as we became eligible. 

anyone else being asked/forced to vax by their employer?  federal workers: we know ;D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on September 27, 2021, 01:29:07 pm
got an email from my employer this morning: show proof of vax by 11/11 or prepare to be fired.  the missus is also under a corporate mandate to get the shot.  obviously not a problem for either of us since we got moderna'ed as soon as we became eligible. 

anyone else being asked/forced to vax by their employer?  federal workers: we know ;D

Asked, not forced... but not welcome in the office if we're not vaxxed (not that anyone is going anway).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 27, 2021, 01:39:54 pm
So if Kyrie "The Earth is flat" Irving and Andrew Wiggins don't play any home games because they are unvaxxed, does that mean they forfeit half their salaries?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 27, 2021, 02:32:22 pm
got an email from my employer this morning: show proof of vax by 11/11 or prepare to be fired.  the missus is also under a corporate mandate to get the shot.  obviously not a problem for either of us since we got moderna'ed as soon as we became eligible. 

anyone else being asked/forced to vax by their employer?  federal workers: we know ;D

No vaccine mandates at my wife's office, but her dumbass boss has mandated that everyone who is vaccinated (which everyone actually claims to be, it's an office of maybe 20 people) must come into the office two days a week (regardless of whether there is an actual need for them to be in the office, which in most cases there isn't.)

Anyway, now two people in her office have COVID so perhaps the two day mandate will be re-evaluated.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 27, 2021, 02:49:56 pm
got an email from my employer this morning: show proof of vax by 11/11 or prepare to be fired.  the missus is also under a corporate mandate to get the shot.  obviously not a problem for either of us since we got moderna'ed as soon as we became eligible. 

anyone else being asked/forced to vax by their employer?  federal workers: we know ;D

Asked, not forced... but not welcome in the office if we're not vaxxed (not that anyone is going anway).

might that not backfire on your employer?  if you want to continue working from home when bossman says everyone needs to come in, just claim you're un-vaxxed - no more office for you!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 27, 2021, 03:14:00 pm
got an email from my employer this morning: show proof of vax by 11/11 or prepare to be fired.  the missus is also under a corporate mandate to get the shot.  obviously not a problem for either of us since we got moderna'ed as soon as we became eligible. 

anyone else being asked/forced to vax by their employer?  federal workers: we know ;D

Asked, not forced... but not welcome in the office if we're not vaxxed (not that anyone is going anway).

might that not backfire on your employer?  if you want to continue working from home when bossman says everyone needs to come in, just claim you're un-vaxxed - no more office for you!

I'm not in that position, but then you'd be forever known as the asshole anti-vaxxer. At least around here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on September 27, 2021, 03:30:23 pm
got an email from my employer this morning: show proof of vax by 11/11 or prepare to be fired.  the missus is also under a corporate mandate to get the shot.  obviously not a problem for either of us since we got moderna'ed as soon as we became eligible. 

anyone else being asked/forced to vax by their employer?  federal workers: we know ;D

Asked, not forced... but not welcome in the office if we're not vaxxed (not that anyone is going anway).

might that not backfire on your employer?  if you want to continue working from home when bossman says everyone needs to come in, just claim you're un-vaxxed - no more office for you!

I don't think we'll ever be back fully to the office... and if/when that does happen, maybe asking will turn to forced and if not, see ya later!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2021, 03:34:02 pm
Offices are so last decade
I would not want to be anywhere in the commercial real estate food chain right now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: lily1 on September 27, 2021, 03:48:31 pm
Private sector here (non ngo, non contractor; non healthcare, non education for reference) and we had to send a pic of our vaccine cards last month. If you were not willing to do that then you need to send a pic of a negative covid test every Monday morning.

My CEO is hell bent on people in the office and we went back in July but the blow back was swift so they've dialed it back to 3 days a week of your choice rather than a rigid 4 day a week in office schedule they had wanted once vaccines were widely available. Frankly there is absolutely no need for us to be in the office but CEO is convinced as well as other C level that the "culture" is eroding.

I don't mind being in the office, but don't dictate that shit to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 27, 2021, 04:16:40 pm
Health-care. Avoiding rolling out a hard mandate as long as possible but DC and Delaware are coming imminently. I do not think people talk nearly enough about non-skilled caregivers (personal care aides) and the appalling vaccination rate they have. We've held multiple clinics and literally are handing out $100 cash bonuses on the spot for people who get vaxxed and cannot get that portion of our labor pool above 45% vaxxed. It's wild as hell and the number of people who are going to go without care because of the mandates -- which I fully support for the record -- is going to be insane nationwide. Good luck having Medicaid and getting respite care in the next twelve months.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2021, 04:28:19 pm
We've held multiple clinics and literally are handing out $100 cash bonuses on the spot for people who get vaxxed and cannot get that portion of our labor pool above 45% vaxxed.
have they tried free beer and $100?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 27, 2021, 04:32:29 pm
We've held multiple clinics and literally are handing out $100 cash bonuses on the spot for people who get vaxxed and cannot get that portion of our labor pool above 45% vaxxed.
have they tried free beer and $100?
Well we feel a little weird handing out the beer here at, you know, a medical facility so no. But I assure you, we've tried everything possible. We did surveys of the unvaxed -- would you get vaxed for $250 a shot? Nope. Huge hesitancy in the non-college educated African-American community (which is 85% of the personal care aides/certified nursing assistants in the country).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on September 27, 2021, 04:46:48 pm
anyone else being asked/forced to vax by their employer?   

Public university about 8 weeks ago, with hard deadline that was last week.  We allow for exemptions - medical (documented from a licensed physician) or religious (sign a waiver).  Managers are 100% in compliance (they would lose their job if not) and our represented folks negotiated a 45 day extension to October 30, but are still about 72% vaxxed (progressive discipline would start on Oct 30, so that's a long way to termination).  Like Jules, some of our lesser compensated folks have the lowest percentage of vaccine rates, despite whatever carrots we offer them.  Our students are nearly 90% vaxxed with threat of sanctions.

Our testing rates for those that aren't vaxxed or have sought exemptions are terrible though.

I've been in the office since June 5, 2020.  But most staff weren't fully back until this past summer (2021).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on September 27, 2021, 04:49:21 pm
I don't mind being in the office, but don't dictate that shit to me.

Prior to March 2020, how many days a week were you expected to be in the office?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on September 27, 2021, 04:50:19 pm
My partner in life recently had a dr's appointment for a very specific issue and the entire appointment, the dr. who is highly recommended and one of the best in the business around their specialty complained to my partner (the patient) the entire appoinment that she was mandated to get the vaccine if she wanted to continue performing surgeries. She stated multiple times in the appointment that she felt the vaccine isn't necessary... I couldn't believe it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 27, 2021, 04:56:07 pm
I still haven't seen a list of approved religions that would qualify somebody for an exemption. Are a ton of people going to be converting to christian scientist?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on September 27, 2021, 05:03:52 pm
I still haven't seen a list of approved religions that would qualify somebody for an exemption. Are a ton of people going to be converting to christian scientist?

You won't get one.   Current case law states if employees’ beliefs are “sincerely held,” then employers must reasonably accommodate them.   This can be done by allowing them to work from home or agreeing to a testing regimen.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2021, 06:08:20 pm
I still haven't seen a list of approved religions that would qualify somebody for an exemption. Are a ton of people going to be converting to christian scientist?

You won't get one.   Current case law states if employees’ beliefs are “sincerely held,” then employers must reasonably accommodate them.   This can be done by allowing them to work from home or agreeing to a testing regimen.
I think Pastafarian will qualify, not known if you have to wear the strainer to prove authenticity, I think FSM decal on back of car will suffice
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: lily1 on September 27, 2021, 06:28:12 pm
I don't mind being in the office, but don't dictate that shit to me.

Prior to March 2020, how many days a week were you expected to be in the office?

5 days a week with work from home days rarely granted. Remote work was severely curtailed and repeatedly denied. In the last 18 months a good 20% of the workforce here hightailed it to other locations in the US and they've had to find some sort of compromise on remote work.

(This is what I've been told by management and colleagues; I've only been with the organization for less than 6 months.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on September 27, 2021, 07:08:42 pm
5 days a week with work from home days rarely granted. Remote work was severely curtailed and repeatedly denied.

I see.  The good news is it's a job seekers market and plenty of opportunities out there as we come out of the pandemic....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 27, 2021, 07:33:58 pm
My partner in life recently had a dr's appointment for a very specific issue and the entire appointment, the dr. who is highly recommended and one of the best in the business around their specialty complained to my partner (the patient) the entire appoinment that she was mandated to get the vaccine if she wanted to continue performing surgeries. She stated multiple times in the appointment that she felt the vaccine isn't necessary... I couldn't believe it.

Between your wife's doctor and your vet, I. Don't think you're getting very good recommendations
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: lily1 on September 27, 2021, 09:19:27 pm
5 days a week with work from home days rarely granted. Remote work was severely curtailed and repeatedly denied.

I see.  The good news is it's a job seekers market and plenty of opportunities out there as we come out of the pandemic....

Oh they definitely lost people which is why I think they dialed back the 4 days a week set schedule in July to 3 days a week of your choosing for in office recently. Plus it seems most organizations are doing a 2 or 3 day a week in office so we were not even aligning to the norm.

If DC ever allows for organizations to mandate vaccinations, I'll be curious to see if we do it. I personally didn't want to disclose if I had been vaccinated but my second shot was scheduled the second day of starting there so I kinda felt that I had to give a solid reason why I was disappearing for a couple hours in the afternoon being so new.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2021, 10:04:56 pm
Between your wife's doctor and your vet, I. Don't think you're getting very good recommendations
I really hate to agree with space, for purely puerile reasons, but I do think he's got a point
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 28, 2021, 07:58:40 am
5 days a week with work from home days rarely granted. Remote work was severely curtailed and repeatedly denied.

I see.  The good news is it's a job seekers market and plenty of opportunities out there as we come out of the pandemic....

Oh they definitely lost people which is why I think they dialed back the 4 days a week set schedule in July to 3 days a week of your choosing for in office recently. Plus it seems most organizations are doing a 2 or 3 day a week in office so we were not even aligning to the norm.

If DC ever allows for organizations to mandate vaccinations, I'll be curious to see if we do it. I personally didn't want to disclose if I had been vaccinated but my second shot was scheduled the second day of starting there so I kinda felt that I had to give a solid reason why I was disappearing for a couple hours in the afternoon being so new.

Why didn't you want to disclose that you had been vaccinated?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on September 28, 2021, 09:34:27 am
My partner in life recently had a dr's appointment for a very specific issue and the entire appointment, the dr. who is highly recommended and one of the best in the business around their specialty complained to my partner (the patient) the entire appoinment that she was mandated to get the vaccine if she wanted to continue performing surgeries. She stated multiple times in the appointment that she felt the vaccine isn't necessary... I couldn't believe it.

Between your wife's doctor and your vet, I. Don't think you're getting very good recommendations

Well, the vet is the same company we went to for over a decade and they provided perfect care until the fuck up...

The partner's recommendation came directly from her GP and other than her vaccine slant, she's the best in her specialty. Who do you recommend Dr. Space?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 28, 2021, 09:52:38 am
My partner in life recently had a dr's appointment for a very specific issue and the entire appointment, the dr. who is highly recommended and one of the best in the business around their specialty complained to my partner (the patient) the entire appoinment that she was mandated to get the vaccine if she wanted to continue performing surgeries. She stated multiple times in the appointment that she felt the vaccine isn't necessary... I couldn't believe it.

Between your wife's doctor and your vet, I. Don't think you're getting very good recommendations

Well, the vet is the same company we went to for over a decade and they provided perfect care until the fuck up...

The partner's recommendation came directly from her GP and other than her vaccine slant, she's the best in her specialty. Who do you recommend Dr. Space?

I'm basically satisfied with our vet and my doctor, but not satisfied enough to recommend them over anybody else. Our vet seems to want to extract all kinds of unnecessary services from us, but I usually turn them down. I'm not someone who is going to spend thousands of dollars on my pet's health. Thankfully our doodle has good genes, a good diet and exercise, and still going strong at 13+.

 I don't really have an opinion on my kid's doctor (we left the one who insisted our then toddler needed to eat more veal) or dentist. And my wife refuses to ever go the doctor since she's not sick.

We were happy with our kid's orthodonist (NoVA) and I've been happy with my dentist (DC) of the past 15+ years, so I'd be happy to share those with anybody in need.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 28, 2021, 10:02:15 am
Look, have you guys as a family considered flipping the doctor and the vet? Gotta crosstrain to create some muscle confusion.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: lily1 on September 28, 2021, 10:14:41 am

Why didn't you want to disclose that you had been vaccinated?

It's not public information and no one's business. I didn't tell the office that I was up to date on all my other vaccinations and that I fully support vaccinations overall. It has nothing to do with my skillset.

I recognize these are new waters for society so I do actively comply with my company's request.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 28, 2021, 12:42:21 pm
When I got Covid in 2020 and spent weeks in the hospital, it was harrowing. But it was nothing compared to what my family is dealing with now—also as a result of Covid.

This is a Covid horror story in which no one actually gets Covid, and it could still happen to anyone

https://twitter.com/summerbrennan/status/1442806675325476867
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 28, 2021, 01:14:46 pm
When I got Covid in 2020 and spent weeks in the hospital, it was harrowing.
I was very thrown off here for a second. Let me teach you about this invention we have: quotation marks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 28, 2021, 01:21:02 pm
When I got Covid in 2020 and spent weeks in the hospital, it was harrowing.
I was very thrown off here for a second. Let me teach you about this invention we have: quotation marks.

I debated putting this in the "Twitter" thread...I'm just hoping this doesn't turn into a "kosmo-level" "debacle".
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on September 28, 2021, 01:21:52 pm
This is a Covid horror story in which no one actually gets Covid, and it could still happen to anyone

This is almost the exact story of my wife's grandmother, who passed away last month, except replace New Mexico with Florida.  A trip to the ER from a nursing home (where she already had contracted Covid in March), staying the first two nights in the hallway because all of the beds were full, contracting pneumonia, then deciding on her own (and with the advice of doctors) to head to hospice for peace and quiet instead of dying in the ER.  She passed away about 3 days later - at least she had family around her in hospice instead of alone in the ER.

Imagine being in your mid-nineties, getting and beating Covid and dying months later of pneumonia contracted for a completely unrelated trip to the ER, because of Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on September 28, 2021, 01:26:38 pm
It's not public information and no one's business. I didn't tell the office that I was up to date on all my other vaccinations and that I fully support vaccinations overall. It has nothing to do with my skillset.

You might want to rethink if you decide 4 days in the office is too many:

Vaccination Status Is the New Must-Have on Your Resume (https://www.wsj.com/articles/should-you-put-your-covid-19-vaccination-status-on-your-resume-many-hiring-managers-say-yes-11632744000)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 28, 2021, 01:27:58 pm
I'm very biased on this topic as I have a financial incentivization to be so but all these stories highlight a problem that pre-dates COVID and will exist long after COVID is "over": an American healthcare system that is wildly dependent on facility stays and that make hospital case managers and discharge planners czars over client's care options. People should stop the handwringing about bed counts at hospitals and SNFs and start asking why we think so many people need have 3, 4, or 5 day stays in these facilities for relatively minor issues when skilled home health services exist, have better outcomes, and are cheaper for insurance programs.

Obviously hospitals and SNFs need to exist for our truly sickest and frailest in the most acute of situations but some random old dude breaking his foot and needing PT and ortho care had little business being in the hospital for more than 12 hours aside from "the hospital stops making fucking money the second they discharge him."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on September 28, 2021, 01:32:39 pm
some random old dude breaking his foot and needing PT and ortho care had little business being in the hospital for more than 12 hours aside from "the hospital stops making fucking money the second they discharge him."

I thought the same thing when I read it, unless the injury was so bad that he needed surgery to put a rod or pin in or something.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 28, 2021, 01:40:15 pm
some random old dude breaking his foot and needing PT and ortho care had little business being in the hospital for more than 12 hours aside from "the hospital stops making fucking money the second they discharge him."

I thought the same thing when I read it, unless the injury was so bad that he needed surgery to put a rod or pin in or something.
Even if it did! Do the surgery, stabilize, send home with an order for PT and wound care to start within 24 hours. Need to convalesce for three days to stabilize? Send to the ortho-facility down the road that is IN NO WAY overrun by Covid cases. (Oh, but wait, I bet the hospital group doesn't own that.) None of this requires the dude being in the hospital "for a week" like the lady says they were planning unless his health was being wildly misrepresented in the tweets.

We really need to relook at who informs the patients of options in our system of what they can do around their own care and the outcomes of such other than hospital case managers and discharge planners who are super incentivized to keep them in a facility because if they don't, the lights go off. Again, I'm super biased both professionally and personally (my wife got MRSA during surgery and basically lost 6 months of her life) but folks should REALLY read up on this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 29, 2021, 07:21:16 am
United Airlines says 99% of its workforce met a deadline to show proof of vaccination.  Now it will lay off about 600 workers who refused to get vaccinated.
I see the lay offs are starting
it's a tight job market, talent is scarce, so it's good to see corps sticking to their guns on these threats
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 01, 2021, 06:50:05 am
Interesting, an oral antiviral
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/01/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html

An oral pill from Merck and Ridgeback Therapeutics reduced the risk of hospitalization or death from Covid-19 by half, Merck said in a news release Friday.
It would become the first oral antivral for Covid-19 if approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for emergency use authorization.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on October 01, 2021, 09:08:48 am
Brett Kavanaugh
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 01, 2021, 09:13:16 am
Wouldn’t that be justice….
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 01, 2021, 09:14:24 am
Guys, he didn't write COVID-19 in his calendar so it didn't happen . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 01, 2021, 09:14:49 am
Wouldn’t that be justice….
That is morbid, but what if all the right wing justices get taken out and biden get's to appoint 3-4 new ones

one can dream, even if they are dark
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on October 01, 2021, 09:18:13 am
Cody Rigsby

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 01, 2021, 11:31:54 am
Cody Rigsby

I was pretty sure that was not a Supreme Court justice, turns out I am correct.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on October 04, 2021, 09:53:30 am
Give me a fuckin' break...

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/575090-fauci-says-its-too-soon-to-say-whether-christmas-gatherings-will
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 04, 2021, 09:56:58 am
I feel like this covid wave is winding down


Hoping this wave ending is the final wave and things begin to ease up and improve
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2021, 10:14:01 am
Fauci was useful for a while. But at this point it seems like smart, well-read people know what the risks are and can assess if the risks are worth taking and make their own good decisions without Fauci telling them to do.

And they ignorant people...well they were never listening to Fauci in the first place.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 04, 2021, 10:23:38 am
I have no issues with Fauci. Although it’s way above my pay grade I think he is doing his job well even if he tells us things we don’t want to hear.


And of course government has a role to play in communicating and shaping/executing public policy on the pandemic.

I just think signs are pointing in the right direction but that’s all it is signs… and I don’t think Fauci should tell us everything is peachy start booking flights for Christmas. No way.

We have seen repeatedly in multiple countries and in specific states that declaring victory can be a recipe for ushering in the next wave. How many times does this have to happen before we get it?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 04, 2021, 01:41:24 pm
DC has so few cases…wouldn’t surprise me if the indoor mask requirement is dropped in next few weeks

I think it would make sense

You don’t want to insist people wear masks if there is little need or people might not wear them when there is a need…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2021, 01:49:07 pm
DC has so few cases…wouldn’t surprise me if the indoor mask requirement is dropped in next few weeks

I think it would make sense

You don’t want to insist people wear masks if there is little need or people might not wear them when there is a need…

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but what do you consider "so few cases?" The current seven day daily average is 161. That's still 60% of the all time high, which was just two weeks ago (269).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/washington-district-of-columbia-covid-cases.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 04, 2021, 02:07:55 pm
I consider 150 pretty few but I will leave it up to the professionals to make that determination


Just saying wouldn’t surprise me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2021, 02:20:12 pm
I consider 150 pretty few but I will leave it up to the professionals to make that determination


Just saying wouldn’t surprise me.

They re-instituted the current mask mandate on July 31. The daily average on that date was 61. Now it is at 161. I realize we are headed in the right direction (and on July 31 were headed in the wrong direction.) But I say give the mask mandate a while longer. Isn't it funny that I would say that?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 04, 2021, 02:23:31 pm
A few weeks more would not surprise me


But guess DC is running things fairly conservative so who knows
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on October 04, 2021, 03:08:21 pm
There's really no reason to speculate.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view|District%20of%20Columbia|Risk|community_transmission_level
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2021, 03:15:59 pm
well MD is out in front in the Vax horse race
% Eligible Population Fully Vaccinated
MD : 75.4
NY: 74.5
WA: 71.5
VA: 71.1
DC: 70.0
CA: 69.6
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 04, 2021, 03:22:46 pm
I had to look at that 12 times before I realized I was missing the word "eligible".
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2021, 03:27:58 pm
well MD is out in front in the Vax horse race
% Eligible Population Fully Vaccinated
MD : 75.4
NY: 74.5
WA: 71.5
VA: 71.1
DC: 70.0
CA: 69.6

Are those the top six in order, or are you just listing states that boardies are from? Don't forget Sparx, over in West Virginia.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2021, 03:36:48 pm
Are those the top six in order, or are you just listing states that boardies are from? Don't forget Sparx, over in West Virginia.
just listing states that bordies are from...isn't chaz in NC
don't even know Sparx

I had to look at that 12 times before I realized I was missing the word "eligible".
that was key and I made sure to include that word
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 04, 2021, 03:44:28 pm
These are really not bad numbers. If the government would get off their ass and extend vaccines to all school-age children so you see those numbers increase by another 6-8% and stop being so skimpy with the boosters, we'd beat this thing down pretty quickly.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2021, 03:53:40 pm
I agree they are good numbers, but I think we wanted to hit those numbers with the entire population
So what are the numbers with the 'ineligible'

but I was giving the rare pat on the back for those heathen MD folks...they just can't be trusted and they have sweaty palms
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2021, 03:58:00 pm
These are really not bad numbers. If the government would get off their ass and extend vaccines to all school-age children so you see those numbers increase by another 6-8% and stop being so skimpy with the boosters, we'd beat this thing down pretty quickly.

Looking at this:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/

I would say maybe 10.35% of US populaton is 5-11. Are you saying 60-80% of 5-11 age group will be vaccinated? Highly doubt it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/30/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2021, 04:01:02 pm

Looking at this:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/

I would say maybe 10.35% of US populaton is 5-11. Are you saying 60-80% of 5-11 age group will be vaccinated? Highly doubt it.
unfortunately this has become a MAGA vs the Libs thing
but I think in general kids that age are vaxed up to the 90% level on previous vaxes, so why not this one (see point above)
I don't have any stats
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 04, 2021, 04:02:38 pm
I agree they are good numbers, but I think we wanted to hit those numbers with the entire population
So what are the numbers with the 'ineligible'
Here's your same 6 states without factoring out "ineligibles":

Fully vaxed % of entire population
MD 64.4%
NY 64.1%
DC 61.5%
WA 61.0%
VA 60.8%
CA 59.3%

At least one dose % of entire population
DC 72.5%
CA 72.1%
NY 71.8%
MD 70.9%
VA 68.6%
WA 67.4%

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 04, 2021, 04:04:46 pm
Looking at this:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/

I would say maybe 10.35% of US populaton is 5-11. Are you saying 60-80% of 5-11 age group will be vaccinated? Highly doubt it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/30/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/
OK, fair. 6% is probably your ceiling not your floor. But the underlying point remains that start to get real close to that 70-75% figure that we still think is the "when does R become < 1".
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on October 04, 2021, 04:11:04 pm
You guys are burying the lede.

Montgomery County residents % of Population ≥ 12 Years of Age with at least one dose = 98.6%, and fully vaccinated = 89.4%
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 04, 2021, 04:17:33 pm
Oh, huh, yeah, white flight works? Who could have guessed. If only we had an appropriate thread where a thought leader could tell people all about these sort of "rich get richer" type of stories. If only . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2021, 04:22:57 pm
Montgomery County residents
aren't these the people they based the Mole People movie on?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2021, 04:27:10 pm
Were California county mask mandates effective against delta? Here's what the data says.

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/amp/California-mask-mandates-delta-COVID-19-data-works-16502191.php?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2021, 12:42:45 pm
Were California county mask mandates effective against delta? Here's what the data says.

What we learned in SF is that they were less effective against fentanyl....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 05, 2021, 03:47:03 pm
This Billy Corgan wannabe sounds like a sweet fellow.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1445063484677443586
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 09, 2021, 08:17:18 pm
Tea party firebrand Allen West, a candidate for the Republican nomination for governor of Texas, said Saturday that he has received monoclonal antibody injections after being diagnosed with COVID-19 pneumonia. (https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-allen-west-texas-pneumonia-health-03839ff2547c8895fb0e4f155705322a?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow)

seinfeld-shame.gif

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 12, 2021, 12:25:57 am
Yup…if only someone had realized more needed to be done than telling people to get vaccinated

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/11/biden-coronavirus-pandemic-515764

By my count about 300,000 Americans have died since Biden took over… bound to have an impact on approval

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 12, 2021, 09:39:41 am
Anybody else wishing a serious case of COVID for Kyrie Irving?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 12, 2021, 09:41:03 am
He is certainly ticking me off…

I don’t know how a sports team puts up with him… this is not a civil rights issue or something
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 12, 2021, 09:42:54 am
I don't know how much you two follow sport but anti-vaxxing is like the 18th dumbest thing Kyrie Irving has ever done. Dude is a straight wackadoodle. Flat Earther. Convinced he's the smartest person in ever room he's ever entered. Imminently punchable.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 12, 2021, 09:59:14 am
Yeah I know that… although I would say this is up there
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 12, 2021, 10:03:50 am
Sounds like it's a civil rights issue for Kyrie.

Irving, who serves as a vice president on the executive committee of the players’ union, recently started following and liking Instagram posts from a conspiracy theorist who claims that “secret societies” are implanting vaccines in a plot to connect Black people to a master computer for “a plan of Satan.” This Moderna microchip misinformation campaign has spread across multiple NBA locker rooms and group chats, according to several of the dozen-plus current players, Hall-of-Famers, league executives, arena workers and virologists interviewed for this story over the past week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Mobius on October 12, 2021, 10:23:49 am
I’m not saying Kyrie is wrong (still doing the research for myself) but couldn’t all his fears be accomplished just by tracking his iPhone, online presence etc.? 

Does avoiding getting microchipped like the rest of us even solve the problem?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 12, 2021, 11:17:27 am
that “secret societies” are implanting vaccines in a plot to connect Black people to a master computer for “a plan of Satan.”
and here I thought we were getting away from Mainframe type of computing technology
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on October 12, 2021, 12:00:16 pm
We have allowed people who get paid billions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 12, 2021, 12:21:18 pm
We have allowed people who get paid billions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.
Kyrie Irving does not make billions of dollars. No one makes billions of dollars to throw a ball through a hoop unless we consider "selling shoes" and "being in commercials" as some secondary included part of "throwing a ball through a hoop."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on October 12, 2021, 01:29:21 pm
We have allowed people who get paid billions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.
Kyrie Irving does not make billions of dollars. No one makes billions of dollars to throw a ball through a hoop unless we consider "selling shoes" and "being in commercials" as some secondary included part of "throwing a ball through a hoop."


I dunno man

Max contracts are up there now..like $45-50 million a year

Walkie is more right than wrong
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 12, 2021, 01:35:07 pm
Nets now saying he won't be playing or practicing, home or away. Good for them. Do they still have to pay him?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 12, 2021, 01:38:12 pm
Nets now saying he won't be playing or practicing, home or away. Good for them. Do they still have to pay him?
probably
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 12, 2021, 01:41:28 pm
We have allowed people who get paid billions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.
Kyrie Irving does not make billions of dollars. No one makes billions of dollars to throw a ball through a hoop unless we consider "selling shoes" and "being in commercials" as some secondary included part of "throwing a ball through a hoop."


I dunno man

Max contracts are up there now..like $45-50 million a year

Walkie is more right than wrong
Kyrie Irving (assuming he relents and plays this season and gets paid) will have made $240million lifetime at the end of his current contract which runs out after next season. At that time he will be 31 years old. He would have to find a team willing to pay him $50mil (your figure for a supermax contract which I honestly do not even think he qualifies for under the CBA) until age 47 to crack a billion.

NBA salaries are exploding and some dude who is an All-Pro player at age 21 and goes on to have a LeBron-esque career will at some point make a billion in on-the-court earnings (Luka Doncic if I had to guess someone specifically) but it ain't going to be an already getting-worse Kyrie Irving.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 12, 2021, 01:42:07 pm
Nets now saying he won't be playing or practicing, home or away. Good for them. Do they still have to pay him?
probably
Nah, just read they're not, at least not for games in state of NY. I guess "road" games are still tBD if they have the right to withhold payment.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 12, 2021, 01:48:06 pm
We have allowed people who get paid billions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.
Kyrie Irving does not make billions of dollars. No one makes billions of dollars to throw a ball through a hoop unless we consider "selling shoes" and "being in commercials" as some secondary included part of "throwing a ball through a hoop."


I dunno man

Max contracts are up there now..like $45-50 million a year

Walkie is more right than wrong
Kyrie Irving (assuming he relents and plays this season and gets paid) will have made $240million lifetime at the end of his current contract which runs out after next season. At that time he will be 31 years old. He would have to find a team willing to pay him $50mil (your figure for a supermax contract which I honestly do not even think he qualifies for under the CBA) until age 47 to crack a billion.

NBA salaries are exploding and some dude who is an All-Pro player at age 21 and goes on to have a LeBron-esque career will at some point make a billion in on-the-court earnings (Luka Doncic if I had to guess someone specifically) but it ain't going to be an already getting-worse Kyrie Irving.

I'm pretty sure whether Kyrie makes 300 million or more than a billion in his playing career doesn't really prove of disprove Walkie's original point.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 12, 2021, 01:53:05 pm
I’m not saying Kyrie is wrong (still doing the research for myself) but couldn’t all his fears be accomplished just by tracking his iPhone, online presence etc.? 

Does avoiding getting microchipped like the rest of us even solve the problem?

between our cell phones and our online lives, we are 100% trackable already.  what more these idiots think a supposed microchip is going to enable is entirely beyond me.
 
that “secret societies” are implanting vaccines in a plot to connect Black people to a master computer for “a plan of Satan.”
and here I thought we were getting away from Mainframe type of computing technology

solid geek joke.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 12, 2021, 01:53:23 pm
We have allowed people who get paid billions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.
Kyrie Irving does not make billions of dollars. No one makes billions of dollars to throw a ball through a hoop unless we consider "selling shoes" and "being in commercials" as some secondary included part of "throwing a ball through a hoop."


I dunno man

Max contracts are up there now..like $45-50 million a year

Walkie is more right than wrong
Kyrie Irving (assuming he relents and plays this season and gets paid) will have made $240million lifetime at the end of his current contract which runs out after next season. At that time he will be 31 years old. He would have to find a team willing to pay him $50mil (your figure for a supermax contract which I honestly do not even think he qualifies for under the CBA) until age 47 to crack a billion.

NBA salaries are exploding and some dude who is an All-Pro player at age 21 and goes on to have a LeBron-esque career will at some point make a billion in on-the-court earnings (Luka Doncic if I had to guess someone specifically) but it ain't going to be an already getting-worse Kyrie Irving.

I'm pretty sure whether Kyrie makes 300 million or more than a billion in his playing career doesn't really prove of disprove Walkie's original point.
I assure you, there's a massive difference between making billions of dollars and making millions of dollars and the people who don't understand that will never make either. /Julian's America
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 12, 2021, 02:21:04 pm
We have allowed people who get paid many millions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.

Dos changing it from billions to many millions change the valdiity of Walkie's point?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 12, 2021, 03:36:02 pm
We have allowed people who get paid many millions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.

Dos changing it from billions to many millions change the valdiity of Walkie's point?
I’m not clear on Walkie’s point? That money corrupts in general, full stop? Or basketball players in particular are unworthy of making millions? Or that if commas were rainbows we’d all have a unicorn.

Look I’m a smart dude but I understand one does not dissect gossamer and nothing is more gossamer than the meaning of what comes out of the Walkman’s mouth.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 13, 2021, 10:25:23 am
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1447956225971433480

Kyrie just sacrificed more than Kaepernick ever did!

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 13, 2021, 11:12:09 am
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1447956225971433480

Kyrie just sacrificed more than Kaepernick ever did!

I know don't read the comments....but
You who cheer the Nets on are the same type people who allowed Nazi Germany to happen.


I blame this board when the gas chambers are erected!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on October 13, 2021, 11:42:40 am
We have allowed people who get paid many millions to throw a ball through a hoop, to become this way.

This is all on, sports fans.

Dos changing it from billions to many millions change the valdiity of Walkie's point?
I’m not clear on Walkie’s point? That money corrupts in general, full stop? Or basketball players in particular are unworthy of making millions? Or that if commas were rainbows we’d all have a unicorn.

Look I’m a smart dude but I understand one does not dissect gossamer and nothing is more gossamer than the meaning of what comes out of the Walkman’s mouth.

Gurrrrl, if only you knew, what comes out of my mouth.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on October 24, 2021, 04:19:45 pm
Edward Christopher Sheerahan
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 24, 2021, 05:15:24 pm
Edward Christopher Sheerahan

Last week he performed in London as part of the inaugural Earthshot Prize awards, hosted by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 25, 2021, 07:00:03 am
Edward Christopher Sheerahan
was this weeks SNL musical guest
https://pagesix.com/2021/10/24/snl-scrambling-to-replace-ed-sheeran-amid-covid-19-diagnosis/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2021, 08:51:57 am
Edward Christopher Sheerahan
was this weeks SNL musical guest
https://pagesix.com/2021/10/24/snl-scrambling-to-replace-ed-sheeran-amid-covid-19-diagnosis/

No new SNL this week. Was the 11/6 musical guest. Maybe they will get Jack White again. Though I'd prefer ES.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2021, 02:50:50 pm
So when should I get my booster? I got my second shot April 9. I'm technically eligible now, since I have a BMI over 25.

I feel like I could go a few more months, but also feel like once they approve it for little kids and a booster for everyone 40+, it might get harder to get it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 03:28:11 pm
So when should I get my booster? I got my second shot April 9. I'm technically eligible now, since I have a BMI over 25.
Just go get it. I don't agree with your contention that there will be a supply chain issue 2 months from now when kids can get shots and the booster age is lowered but if that was the case, doesn't it make sense to get now when there's a glut of doses? Additionally, what is gained by waiting? Maybe your immunity level hasn't started to drop, but if not, what is harmed by going ahead and getting ahead of time?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on October 25, 2021, 03:35:00 pm
So when should I get my booster? I got my second shot April 9. I'm technically eligible now, since I have a BMI over 25.

I feel like I could go a few more months, but also feel like once they approve it for little kids and a booster for everyone 40+, it might get harder to get it.

I signed up for 11/2 at the local CVS.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2021, 03:39:10 pm
So when should I get my booster? I got my second shot April 9. I'm technically eligible now, since I have a BMI over 25.
Just go get it. I don't agree with your contention that there will be a supply chain issue 2 months from now when kids can get shots and the booster age is lowered but if that was the case, doesn't it make sense to get now when there's a glut of doses? Additionally, what is gained by waiting? Maybe your immunity level hasn't started to drop, but if not, what is harmed by going ahead and getting ahead of time?

But I'm working from home five days a week, not visting with anyone who is high risk, not eating or doing anything indoors other than a couple of masked concerts with fully vaccinated patrons until the end of the year. I'm still very well protected against serious illness.

How long does the third shot effectiveness last? Am I going to have to keep getting a new shot every six months?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on October 25, 2021, 03:43:49 pm
Am I going to have to keep getting a new shot every six months?

Yes. Or possibly annually.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on October 25, 2021, 03:46:39 pm
So when should I get my booster? I got my second shot April 9. I'm technically eligible now, since I have a BMI over 25.
Just go get it. I don't agree with your contention that there will be a supply chain issue 2 months from now when kids can get shots and the booster age is lowered but if that was the case, doesn't it make sense to get now when there's a glut of doses? Additionally, what is gained by waiting? Maybe your immunity level hasn't started to drop, but if not, what is harmed by going ahead and getting ahead of time?

But I'm working from home five days a week, not visting with anyone who is high risk, not eating or doing anything indoors other than a couple of masked concerts with fully vaccinated patrons until the end of the year. I'm still very well protected against serious illness.

How long does the third shot effectiveness last? Am I going to have to keep getting a new shot every six months?

Why'd you get vaccinated in the first place if you still do nothing other than attend fully vaxxed/masked concerts? Seems like you're pretty low risk for catching or spreading it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 03:51:35 pm
How long does the third shot effectiveness last? Am I going to have to keep getting a new shot every six months?
How could we possibly know (re: your first question)? No one has had a third shot for more than 4-ish months yet in any trials.

It would seem likely that we will need periodic booster shots for COVID the same way we do the flu or tetanus, but I think anyone who is telling you definitively if that's going to be "every 6 months" or "every 6 years" or some specific point on the timeline between the two is probably talking out their butt.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2021, 04:00:37 pm
So when should I get my booster? I got my second shot April 9. I'm technically eligible now, since I have a BMI over 25.
Just go get it. I don't agree with your contention that there will be a supply chain issue 2 months from now when kids can get shots and the booster age is lowered but if that was the case, doesn't it make sense to get now when there's a glut of doses? Additionally, what is gained by waiting? Maybe your immunity level hasn't started to drop, but if not, what is harmed by going ahead and getting ahead of time?

But I'm working from home five days a week, not visting with anyone who is high risk, not eating or doing anything indoors other than a couple of masked concerts with fully vaccinated patrons until the end of the year. I'm still very well protected against serious illness.

How long does the third shot effectiveness last? Am I going to have to keep getting a new shot every six months?

Why'd you get vaccinated in the first place if you still do nothing other than attend fully vaxxed/masked concerts? Seems like you're pretty low risk for catching or spreading it.

I meant in the next three months or so, I have nothing but low risk activities planned/

I got vaxxed in the first place because I wanted to reduce the risk of serious illness if I did get it. Now I feel like I'm still very well protected even if I do catch it.

 I also had two airplanes rides and airport shuttle rides on the horizon, which I felt were medium risk. And was visiting my unvaxxed mother. Now, I have nothing of that nature planned in the immediate future.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on October 25, 2021, 04:02:13 pm
Thursday: COVID Booster/Flu Shot doubledip.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2021, 04:03:03 pm
How long does the third shot effectiveness last? Am I going to have to keep getting a new shot every six months?
How could we possibly know (re: your first question)? No one has had a third shot for more than 4-ish months yet in any trials.

It would seem likely that we will need periodic booster shots for COVID the same way we do the flu or tetanus, but I think anyone who is telling you definitively if that's going to be "every 6 months" or "every 6 years" or some specific point on the timeline between the two is probably talking out their butt.

I agree with everything you're saying. I'll definitely get shot #3 in 2021 but don't feel the sense of urgency I did in getting shot #1. Though also not criticizing anyone who does.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2021, 04:04:04 pm
Thursday: COVID Booster/Flu Shot doubledip.

Why not make it a triple shot and get teh Shringrix?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 04:05:31 pm
Thursday: COVID Booster/Flu Shot doubledip.

Why not make it a triple shot and get teh Shringrix?
I was not old enough or I would've. (My mother was so horrifically destroyed by shingles I am terrified of getting that after seeing it.) My wife and I both did the flu/covid double (and got laid out on the couch for a solid day each).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on October 25, 2021, 04:17:08 pm
Thursday: COVID Booster/Flu Shot doubledip.

Why not make it a triple shot and get teh Shringrix?
I was not old enough or I would've. (My mother was so horrifically destroyed by shingles I am terrified of getting that after seeing it.) My wife and I both did the flu/covid double (and got laid out on the couch for a solid day each).

I don't think Shingrix is offered at the place I am getting boostered/flued. I need that Shingrix though. I think in November I will try to get it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2021, 04:17:31 pm
Thursday: COVID Booster/Flu Shot doubledip.

Why not make it a triple shot and get teh Shringrix?
I was not old enough or I would've. (My mother was so horrifically destroyed by shingles I am terrified of getting that after seeing it.) My wife and I both did the flu/covid double (and got laid out on the couch for a solid day each).

I did the Shringrix separately. Of the two COVID shots and two Shringrix shots, only the second Shringrix made me feel tired and gave me a fever (though it still did a 10+ mile bike ride.) I don't know that I'll do a double shot with the flu vaccine.

Anecdotal of course, but one FB friend reported that the COVID booster was much more brutal than the first two.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 04:44:02 pm
Again anecdotal, but the third Moderna shot was like running face first into a brick wall for both my wife and I and we both had had the most minor of side effects from Doses 1 and 2 (and my extraneous J&J).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on October 25, 2021, 04:50:39 pm
Thursday: COVID Booster/Flu Shot doubledip.

Why not make it a triple shot and get teh Shringrix?

Also getting the double shot Thursday.  Wedding anniversary Friday.  Guess I'll spend the day in bed. Shingrix 2 TBD
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 25, 2021, 04:58:23 pm
Again anecdotal, but the third Moderna shot was like running face first into a brick wall for both my wife and I and we both had had the most minor of side effects from Doses 1 and 2 (and my extraneous J&J).

Wonder if this was because your antibodies were pretty much still intact from your first three shots? At this point of course I'm talking out of my ass.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 07:03:20 pm
Again anecdotal, but the third Moderna shot was like running face first into a brick wall for both my wife and I and we both had had the most minor of side effects from Doses 1 and 2 (and my extraneous J&J).

Wonder if this was because your antibodies were pretty much still intact from your first three shots? At this point of course I'm talking out of my ass.
Man, I’d only be talking out my ass on that. Let me try to give some details with as little ass talk as possible: my wife did not get a publicity-induced shot of J+J and she was solidly 8+ months out from her second dose. I have to believe — as a person who says “trust scientists” — that there is some truth to waning immunity. Her reaction to moderna #3 has to mean something. I can’t say if it’s a bug or a feature.

That said, I also agree with you that I was not as thirsty to get shot 4 as I was shot one. I’ll probably be fine if I contract COVID. My wife will too, from a look at the comorbidities . That said I think people need to what their personal goal is. From a public health standpoint, it makes no difference socially if I get COVID and get don’t get sick enough that I take up a hospital bed and require interventions.

But I personally would prefer not to get COVID. I’d prefer not to get COVID and not get sick but potentially long term effects. I’d prefer to never contract COVID. I don’t think that’s a life or death difference at this point for me. But it’s my preference. Hence, I’ll get a third/fourth shot. Just me.

If you’ve got two shots in your arm, I’m not going to give you grief for not getting a booster as quick as I do absent new info that’s unarguable coming out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on October 25, 2021, 08:30:08 pm
Norman Blake from Teenage Fanclub has a breakthrough COVID19 case. Feeling okay after a rough few days per his Twitter.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 08:41:03 pm
Norman Blake from Teenage Fanclub has a breakthrough COVID19 case. Feeling okay after a rough few days per his Twitter.
Thanks. I can go to sleep now with this update.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on October 25, 2021, 08:51:11 pm
Norman Blake from Teenage Fanclub has a breakthrough COVID19 case. Feeling okay after a rough few days per his Twitter.
Thanks. I can go to sleep now with this update.

 :-X


   https://www.psypost.org/2021/10/news-avoidance-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-associated-with-better-mental-well-being-61968          (https://www.psypost.org/2021/10/news-avoidance-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-associated-with-better-mental-well-being-61968)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 08:56:03 pm
Norman Blake from Teenage Fanclub has a breakthrough COVID19 case. Feeling okay after a rough few days per his Twitter.
Thanks. I can go to sleep now with this update.

 :-X
I mean is it really newsworthy that a person 99 out of 100 people couldn’t pick out of a lineup is on the mend from COVID? If he was about to die — gotcha. But this is three weeks old news that is not interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on October 25, 2021, 08:57:49 pm
Norman Blake from Teenage Fanclub has a breakthrough COVID19 case. Feeling okay after a rough few days per his Twitter.
Thanks. I can go to sleep now with this update.

 :-X
I mean is it really newsworthy that a person 99 out of 100 people couldn’t pick out of a lineup is on the mend from COVID? If he was about to die — gotcha. But this is three weeks old news that is not interesting.

Sorry to upset Julian, it was new to me news. And it's okay news? And this is the thread for this type of news? 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 25, 2021, 09:17:37 pm
it's really not off-brand for the thread
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 09:31:09 pm
it's really not off-brand for the thread
Im sorry: y’all find it interesting to hear about every never-was who ever had COVID with no long-term effects, post-facto? What does that say about you, person making this argument?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on October 25, 2021, 09:31:36 pm
Like me . . . Julian's pronoun is, CUNT
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 25, 2021, 09:41:19 pm
Like me . . . Julian's pronoun is, CUNT
John, this is tabloidism; not news nor informative reporting. You are bright enough to see that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on October 25, 2021, 09:52:01 pm
I really, just wanted to say cunt.

Plus, everyone knows that famous people are important.

Look at that stupid fucking dropping like flies thread.

IMPORTANT, julian, IMPORTANT
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on October 25, 2021, 10:52:13 pm
Does the word "comorbidities" make anyone else chuckle inside a little?  Yes...I said chuckle.

Again anecdotal, but the third Moderna shot was like running face first into a brick wall for both my wife and I and we both had had the most minor of side effects from Doses 1 and 2 (and my extraneous J&J).

Wonder if this was because your antibodies were pretty much still intact from your first three shots? At this point of course I'm talking out of my ass.
Man, I’d only be talking out my ass on that. Let me try to give some details with as little ass talk as possible: my wife did not get a publicity-induced shot of J+J and she was solidly 8+ months out from her second dose. I have to believe — as a person who says “trust scientists” — that there is some truth to waning immunity. Her reaction to moderna #3 has to mean something. I can’t say if it’s a bug or a feature.

That said, I also agree with you that I was not as thirsty to get shot 4 as I was shot one. I’ll probably be fine if I contract COVID. My wife will too, from a look at the comorbidities . That said I think people need to what their personal goal is. From a public health standpoint, it makes no difference socially if I get COVID and get don’t get sick enough that I take up a hospital bed and require interventions.

But I personally would prefer not to get COVID. I’d prefer not to get COVID and not get sick but potentially long term effects. I’d prefer to never contract COVID. I don’t think that’s a life or death difference at this point for me. But it’s my preference. Hence, I’ll get a third/fourth shot. Just me.

If you’ve got two shots in your arm, I’m not going to give you grief for not getting a booster as quick as I do absent new info that’s unarguable coming out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on October 26, 2021, 10:19:47 am
it's really not off-brand for the thread
Im sorry: y’all find it interesting to hear about every never-was who ever had COVID with no long-term effects, post-facto? What does that say about you, person making this argument?

"Never-Was"? HOW DARE YOU.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 26, 2021, 05:28:41 pm
Was browsing Staples.com and came across this. Sorta want it on a shirt.

(https://i.ibb.co/HDGBL6s/contains.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 26, 2021, 05:52:02 pm
here's another entry in the "we already knew this, and we're too burnt out to be outraged" dept.:

Election ‘distracted’ Trump team from pandemic response, Birx tells Congress, saying more than 130,000 people died unnecessarily (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/26/birx-testimony-congress-pandemic/)

as one person twote, "Moral of story: Don't elect malignant narcissists and sycophantic sociopaths to government"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: WALKonBack on October 26, 2021, 06:53:51 pm
Them, are big words . . . and they frighten people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on October 27, 2021, 12:47:52 pm
We all know that the Washington State football coach is a stupid idiot but the big takeaway here is that social media is rotting so many people's brains at an alarmingly high rate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCtXIPgacAErioE?format=jpg&name=360x360)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCtXHd1VkAUOLb4?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on October 30, 2021, 06:52:35 pm
Jon Bon Jovi’s concert at the @Loews_Hotels #MiamiBeach was just cancelled when it was announced to awaiting crowd he has covid. @wsvn

https://t.co/0bUI06D7UO
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 31, 2021, 11:54:25 am
Jon Bon Jovi’s concert at the @Loews_Hotels #MiamiBeach was just cancelled when it was announced to awaiting crowd he has covid. @wsvn

https://t.co/0bUI06D7UO

Bryan Adams too
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on October 31, 2021, 04:11:47 pm
My wife had J&J and just got Moderna booster.  No major side effects other than being a little tired.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 01, 2021, 08:48:03 am
My partner got a booster last week and seems extra bitchy…is this a side effect?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 01, 2021, 08:59:41 am
My wife was very bitchy for about 24 hours. We had no issues with any earlier doses but the third Moderna shots absolutely knocked both of us on our ass for a day each (we did them two weeks apart just in case).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on November 01, 2021, 09:00:00 am
Be honest.  If you had you as a partner, wouldn't you be bitchy?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 01, 2021, 09:02:01 am
Be honest.  If you had you as a partner, wouldn't you be bitchy?
For sure.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 01, 2021, 09:24:39 am
I still think the Odd Couple Redux with Starsky and Julian would really click with todays TV viewers
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 01, 2021, 09:39:34 am
I still think the Odd Couple Redux with Starsky and Julian would really click with todays TV viewers
Tonally, I think it needs to be more Bergman's Persona than the Odd Couple.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 01, 2021, 09:50:18 am
I need to watch more Ingmar Bergman


My partner just wants to watch movies appropriate for the kids


When I was their age my parents watched Bergman
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on November 01, 2021, 10:02:11 am
Thursday: COVID Booster/Flu Shot doubledip.

Booster/Fluster report from last week.
Pfizer Booster and the Flu shot at Walgreens last thursday.
Friday, I was a little sleepy in the first 1/2 of the day and Covid shot arm very sore.
That was it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on November 01, 2021, 11:10:32 am
Thursday: COVID Booster/Flu Shot doubledip.

Booster/Fluster report from last week.
Pfizer Booster and the Flu shot at Walgreens last thursday.
Friday, I was a little sleepy in the first 1/2 of the day and Covid shot arm very sore.
That was it.
Aside from getting my Pfizer booster at CVS (after Moderna 1st 2) pretty much the same reaction here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on November 01, 2021, 03:55:11 pm
I got the flu shot and Pfizer booster at the same appt and in the same arm.  Couldn't raise my arm that night nor most of the next day, otherwise nothing notable.  All I wanted was one good night sleep  and I didn't even get that!  (and of course to not die of Covid)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on November 03, 2021, 09:26:37 am
Scheduled my kids appointments at CVS online this morning. Looks like they'll be fully vaxxed before we go to Cancun.

(That is if we ever get my wife's passport renewal...)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2021, 09:35:23 am
I just realized I have a show conflict on the day I scheduled my booster for.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 03, 2021, 09:54:45 am
(That is if we ever get my wife's passport renewal...)
Had to redo mine this year and paid for expedited which promised "within 6 weeks". Took 42 days, on the nose. I think they're backed up with tons of people thinking of travelling on the backside of COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on November 03, 2021, 10:09:12 am
Had my booster last night... no side effects... yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on November 03, 2021, 10:25:16 am
Had to redo mine this year and paid for expedited which promised "within 6 weeks". Took 42 days, on the nose. I think they're backed up with tons of people thinking of travelling on the backside of COVID.

Didn't think I would need to do expedited service for a trip in December when I applied back in July but here we are!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 03, 2021, 02:35:01 pm
trying to get my kids Pfizer'ed next week, but lots of confusion since it's all still new.  haven't scheduled my booster yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 03, 2021, 02:57:57 pm
(That is if we ever get my wife's passport renewal...)
Had to redo mine this year and paid for expedited which promised "within 6 weeks". Took 42 days, on the nose. I think they're backed up with tons of people thinking of travelling on the backside of COVID.

SAw this the other day. Didn't read, since we're all set for our 2022 trip.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/10/29/passport-wait-time-renew/

Good news: Passport wait times are getting shorter
The State Department said routine and expedited processing is speeding up

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 03, 2021, 03:02:02 pm
Aaron Rodgers
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on November 03, 2021, 03:15:12 pm
Had my booster last night... no side effects... yet.

Update... feel somewhat crappy/achey, but nothing too terrible.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on November 03, 2021, 03:39:16 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDSMPmHVgAY1MqN?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 03, 2021, 06:37:14 pm
Aaron Rodgers

Rodgers received homeopathic treatment from his personal doctor to raise his antibody levels and asked the NFLPA to review his status. The players' union, the NFL-NFLPA jointly designated infectious disease consultant and the league agreed that Rodgers' treatment did not provide any documented protection from the coronavirus.

He has since tested positive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2021, 12:49:41 pm
The Biden administration published its vaccination mandate for businesses on Thursday, setting a Jan. 4 deadline

The mandate, which applies to businesses with at least 100 employees and is expected to cover 84 million people

OSHA plans to have programed or planned inspections, where agents go into workplaces to check that the workplace is in compliance with the rule. For what OSHA refers to as willful violations, a company can be fined $136,532.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 04, 2021, 01:10:39 pm
a company can be fined $136,532.

that is an oddly specific integer.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2021, 03:11:03 pm
The UK becomes the first country to approve an antiviral pill to treat COVID-19
On Thursday, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) approved the use of the antiviral pill jointly developed by Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics. The molnupiravir tablet will be taken twice daily by vulnerable patients who have recently been diagnosed with COVID-19. UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid said the new treatment would be a "gamechanger" after the UK became the first country in the world to approve a drug of its kind.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2021, 03:15:29 pm
The UK becomes the first country to approve an antiviral pill to treat COVID-19
On Thursday, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) approved the use of the antiviral pill jointly developed by Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics. The molnupiravir tablet will be taken twice daily by vulnerable patients who have recently been diagnosed with COVID-19. UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid said the new treatment would be a "gamechanger" after the UK became the first country in the world to approve a drug of its kind.

UK currently has the highest case rates in the world.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 04, 2021, 03:21:56 pm
Maybe my rough estimates are wrong but what astounds me about the UK is that in the last 8 months of so they have had like 4 million new cases but 15k deaths


Is it cause they are vaxxed ? Cause they are being hit with weaker covid variants?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 04, 2021, 03:24:07 pm
In the US since about March we have had like 16 million new cases but 230k deaths



Something very different is going on in the UK
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 04, 2021, 04:01:21 pm
a company can be fined $136,532.

that is an oddly specific integer.
Hang on, we will get there.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 04, 2021, 04:12:47 pm
a company can be fined $136,532.

that is an oddly specific integer.

Looks evened out to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2021, 04:17:50 pm
Maybe my rough estimates are wrong but what astounds me about the UK is that in the last 8 months of so they have had like 4 million new cases but 15k deaths


Is it cause they are vaxxed ? Cause they are being hit with weaker covid variants?

86% fully vaxxed 12+ in UK. 67% in US. Maybe their current case rates are high because they've dropped restrictions because of the high vax rates. And the death rates are low because so many people are vaxxed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 04, 2021, 04:55:04 pm
Those with kids 5-11 you may want to consider spacing out the two doses by more than three weeks.

https://twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1456073737942409219
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2021, 05:04:50 pm
Ok this is weird...but the Deer are infected at an alarming rate

Eric Feigl-Ding@DrEricDing
This is worrisome news—80% of white-tailed deer in Iowa have been #SARSCoV2 infected—animals probably are contracting the virus from humans, and then rapidly spreading it among one another.


So are unvaxed hunters at great risk?
Are deer going on Vents?
I'm confused
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 04, 2021, 05:14:10 pm
Why are we testing deer for COVID??
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 04, 2021, 05:16:29 pm
Why are we testing deer for COVID??
I know, imagine trying to get a swab in it's nose?!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 05, 2021, 05:10:46 pm
https://www.mediaite.com/news/dr-scott-gottlieb-proclaims-new-pfizer-covid-drug-marks-the-end-of-the-pandemic/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 05, 2021, 07:54:53 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDSMPmHVgAY1MqN?format=jpg&name=small)

On the horse meds and bitchong about the woke mob and cancel culture while also claiming to be a critical thinker. Also says he's getting treatment advice from Dr. Joe Rogan.If I saw him, I'd punch him.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 05, 2021, 08:08:00 pm
Dude has always been a little bitch drama Queen….
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 05, 2021, 08:18:54 pm
Also cited MLK to justify his actions. What a duche.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 05, 2021, 09:35:56 pm
https://www.mediaite.com/news/dr-scott-gottlieb-proclaims-new-pfizer-covid-drug-marks-the-end-of-the-pandemic/
that's a bold take
hope he's right
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 05, 2021, 09:42:36 pm
Well he is on Pfizer Board of Directors so….
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 05, 2021, 09:51:25 pm
THROW ROGAN
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 08, 2021, 09:35:22 am
Go Kareem


https://kareem.substack.com/p/aaron-rodgers-didnt-just-lie?r=ez75a&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 08, 2021, 10:25:03 am
21 hours after my booster/flu shot....I feel crappy due to the cold and allergies I've been dealing with for a while now, but nothing more than a sore arm fingers crossed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 08, 2021, 11:04:01 am
I got my moderna booster 6 days ago

Nothing bad ensued


I do seem to be getting the winter blahs and crud early this year though….
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Bagley on November 08, 2021, 02:38:37 pm
Go Kareem


https://kareem.substack.com/p/aaron-rodgers-didnt-just-lie?r=ez75a&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=


Kareem for President
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 09, 2021, 05:17:06 pm
Unvaccinated Texans 40 times more likely to die of covid than those fully vaccinated in 2021, study says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/09/texas-unvaccinated-deaths-higher-covid/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 09, 2021, 11:26:48 pm
Dude has always been a little bitch drama Queen….

The Packers were fined $300,000, while Rodgers and Lazard were each fined $14,650.

FFS he makes that just by stepping up to the center and getting into position 🙄
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2021, 11:42:24 pm
Aaron Fraudgers is on the bus.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 10, 2021, 06:21:51 pm
LOL @ this fantasy football write-up about Rodger's chances of playing this week:
Quote
Aaron Rodgers (COVID-19) expects to play Sunday for Packers
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers (COVID-19) said there is a "small possibility" he won't play in Week 10 against the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday.

WHAT IT MEANS:
Rodgers is eligible to return to the Packers on Saturday for the first time following a 10-day quarantine period. Davante Adams finished with 42 yards on 14 targets in Jordan Love's first NFL start, so Rodgers' return would be an obvious upgrade for the receiver's outlook and the offense as a whole. He will still need to be cleared medically by Joe Rogan, but the expectation is that Rodgers will be back under center for Green Bay on Sunday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on November 17, 2021, 11:08:09 am
https://patch.com/maryland/wheaton-md/s/hxq7e/monkeypox-in-maryland-resident-confirmed-officials?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 17, 2021, 12:00:16 pm
Is there any truth to the rumor that they're making the unvaccinated wear gold stars?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59283128


This would never fly in the US, unless it was Republicans locking down anyone who isn't a Christian.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 17, 2021, 12:35:02 pm
I am suffering from reading about covid fatigue

A few weeks ago I stopped checking the covid numbers

That was healthy

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 17, 2021, 12:39:51 pm
I am suffering from reading about covid fatigue

A few weeks ago I stopped checking the covid numbers

That was healthy

You know you want me to respond. US up 15.7% in the last week. The state I'm driving to for Thanksgiving, up 62%. But I guess the current mainstream liberal line of thinking is don't worry about numbers if you're boostered and don't worry about masks unless you're old or compromised.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on November 17, 2021, 01:03:52 pm
I am suffering from reading about covid fatigue

A few weeks ago I stopped checking the covid numbers

That was healthy

You know you want me to respond. US up 15.7% in the last week. The state I'm driving to for Thanksgiving, up 62%. But I guess the current mainstream liberal line of thinking is don't worry about numbers if you're boostered and don't worry about masks unless you're old or compromised.

I don't agree with that... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 17, 2021, 01:24:44 pm
I am suffering from reading about covid fatigue

A few weeks ago I stopped checking the covid numbers

That was healthy

You know you want me to respond. US up 15.7% in the last week. The state I'm driving to for Thanksgiving, up 62%. But I guess the current mainstream liberal line of thinking is don't worry about numbers if you're boostered and don't worry about masks unless you're old or compromised.

I don't agree with that... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.

So are you saying they are the mainstream? MoCo median age is 39.7, compared to 34 for DC (and 38.1 for all of US). So plenty of old people. Nothing wrong with masks. They've saved millions of lives.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on November 17, 2021, 01:35:27 pm
I am suffering from reading about covid fatigue

A few weeks ago I stopped checking the covid numbers

That was healthy

You know you want me to respond. US up 15.7% in the last week. The state I'm driving to for Thanksgiving, up 62%. But I guess the current mainstream liberal line of thinking is don't worry about numbers if you're boostered and don't worry about masks unless you're old or compromised.

I don't agree with that... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.

So are you saying they are the mainstream? MoCo median age is 39.7, compared to 34 for DC (and 38.1 for all of US). So plenty of old people. Nothing wrong with masks. They've saved millions of lives.

You're the one that used the term "mainstream" to describe a liberal person. I admittedly don't know what that is, but as stated lots of libs mainstream or underground in MoCo still mask up everywhere
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 17, 2021, 01:43:33 pm
I am suffering from reading about covid fatigue

A few weeks ago I stopped checking the covid numbers

That was healthy

You know you want me to respond. US up 15.7% in the last week. The state I'm driving to for Thanksgiving, up 62%. But I guess the current mainstream liberal line of thinking is don't worry about numbers if you're boostered and don't worry about masks unless you're old or compromised.

I don't agree with that... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.

So are you saying they are the mainstream? MoCo median age is 39.7, compared to 34 for DC (and 38.1 for all of US). So plenty of old people. Nothing wrong with masks. They've saved millions of lives.

You're the one that used the term "mainstream" to describe a liberal person. I admittedly don't know what that is, but as stated lots of libs mainstream or underground in MoCo still mask up everywhere

I'm not sure what I was getting at. What reasons do you see for people to stop wearing masks indoors other than you're tired of doing it?

I'll be in Chicago on Black Friday...my first time going anywhere since being in New York in August. It will be interesting to see how masked up they are there compared to here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2021, 01:45:21 pm
... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.
and every single concert attendee at Dino @ the club

curious what the Anthem was like?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 17, 2021, 01:53:19 pm
... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.
and every single concert attendee at Dino @ the club

curious what the Anthem was like?

The end of the mask mandate in Sunday midnight. So until then, I would think everyone will still be masking at shows. Eeryone at Wold Alice was masked except for those drinking. It will be interesting to see what happens starting Monday.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2021, 01:55:27 pm
^good point...thought it was effective immediately

This is kinda scary


Ron Filipkowski
@RonFilipkowski
“Pure blood” means unvaccinated. A State Senator that GOP candidates around the country proudly tout her endorsement. F*cking lunatics.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEacKbqWYAcglNV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on November 17, 2021, 01:57:18 pm
... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.
and every single concert attendee at Dino @ the club

curious what the Anthem was like?

In my seated area, everyone had masks on... My two trips to the bar, everyone had masks on...

Also, the faucets at The Anthem are still terrible.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 17, 2021, 02:08:22 pm
I don't agree with that... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.

I'm honestly curious. How can you tell that someone who is wearing a mask is liberal and paranoid? Seems like they could just as easily be conservative and at-risk.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 17, 2021, 02:58:52 pm
^good point...thought it was effective immediately

This is kinda scary


Ron Filipkowski
@RonFilipkowski
“Pure blood” means unvaccinated. A State Senator that GOP candidates around the country proudly tout her endorsement. F*cking lunatics.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEacKbqWYAcglNV?format=jpg&name=medium)

It's even money she's had all her other shots and takes vitamins.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2021, 03:12:52 pm
It's even money she's had all her other shots and takes vitamins.
not one doubt
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on November 17, 2021, 03:20:40 pm
I don't agree with that... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.

I'm honestly curious. How can you tell that someone who is wearing a mask is liberal and paranoid? Seems like they could just as easily be conservative and at-risk.

Find me a conservative in MoCo that likes to wear masks, I'll wait!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 17, 2021, 03:55:49 pm
I don't agree with that... paranoid libs in MoCo still masked up everywhere.

I'm honestly curious. How can you tell that someone who is wearing a mask is liberal and paranoid? Seems like they could just as easily be conservative and at-risk.

Find me a conservative in MoCo, I'll wait!

FTFY
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 17, 2021, 03:57:12 pm
Vermont the most vaccinated state in the US, is now fifth highest for new cases (per capita.)

https://vtdigger.org/2021/11/15/vermont-now-ranks-fifth-highest-in-nation-for-covid-case-rate/

The 72% who are vaccinated account for 80% of the new cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 17, 2021, 04:36:41 pm
Vermont the most vaccinated state in the US, is now fifth highest for new cases (per capita.)

https://vtdigger.org/2021/11/15/vermont-now-ranks-fifth-highest-in-nation-for-covid-case-rate/

The 72% who are vaccinated account for 80% of the new cases.

Pretty strong evidence about the need for boosters. Or another strain  :-\
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on November 18, 2021, 02:15:24 am

The 72% who are vaccinated account for 80% of the new cases.

I’m sorry, what? 

That article says that they had 606 new cases in the last week of October and 121 of the new cases were vaccinated individuals (breakthrough cases).  That’s 20%, not 80%.

In addition, VT has the 8th lowest hospitalization rate in the nation because their vax rate is so high.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 18, 2021, 03:02:43 am
smax, go easy on him, space isn't a stats or math guy...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 18, 2021, 08:49:19 am

The 72% who are vaccinated account for 80% of the new cases.

I’m sorry, what? 

That article says that they had 606 new cases in the last week of October and 121 of the new cases were vaccinated individuals (breakthrough cases).  That’s 20%, not 80%.

In addition, VT has the 8th lowest hospitalization rate in the nation because their vax rate is so high.

THanks for correcting me. I misread the graph. I miss my large old man work monitor. I guess I was looking for evidence that we all need to get the booster. Perhaps we don't (not really enough info in the article to tell if the deceasing ratio of unvaxxed with COVID to vaxxed with COVIS is due to more people still getting vaxxed and hence a larger pool for them and smaller pool of unvaxxed, or breakthrough cases happening with more regularity to due waning vaccine effectiveness over time.) Carry on.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on November 18, 2021, 09:04:27 am

The 72% who are vaccinated account for 80% of the new cases.

I’m sorry, what? 

That article says that they had 606 new cases in the last week of October and 121 of the new cases were vaccinated individuals (breakthrough cases).  That’s 20%, not 80%.

In addition, VT has the 8th lowest hospitalization rate in the nation because their vax rate is so high.

THanks for correcting me. I misread the graph. I miss my large old man work monitor. I guess I was looking for evidence that we all need to get the booster. Perhaps we don't (not really enough info in the article to tell if the deceasing ratio of unvaxxed with COVID to vaxxed with COVIS is due to more people still getting vaxxed and hence a larger pool for them and smaller pool of unvaxxed, or breakthrough cases happening with more regularity to due waning vaccine effectiveness over time.) Carry on.

Sounds like some mainstream liberal agenda
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 18, 2021, 09:27:41 am

The 72% who are vaccinated account for 80% of the new cases.

I’m sorry, what? 

That article says that they had 606 new cases in the last week of October and 121 of the new cases were vaccinated individuals (breakthrough cases).  That’s 20%, not 80%.

In addition, VT has the 8th lowest hospitalization rate in the nation because their vax rate is so high.

THanks for correcting me. I misread the graph. I miss my large old man work monitor. I guess I was looking for evidence that we all need to get the booster. Perhaps we don't (not really enough info in the article to tell if the deceasing ratio of unvaxxed with COVID to vaxxed with COVIS is due to more people still getting vaxxed and hence a larger pool for them and smaller pool of unvaxxed, or breakthrough cases happening with more regularity to due waning vaccine effectiveness over time.) Carry on.

Sounds like some mainstream liberal agenda

By "mainstream liberal" I meant the people who voted for Hillary and Biden and think that Bernie is a monster who is going to take all their money.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 18, 2021, 09:34:18 am
You are topping yourself lately…..


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 18, 2021, 09:39:34 am
You are topping yourself lately…..

You should probably keep that kind of kinky stuff to the Walky thread.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on November 18, 2021, 02:06:31 pm
MoCo anecdotal information:

Co-Worker: 50ish, double pfizered, got pretty ill, monoclonals infused, around a week afterwards he no longer tests positive, feels lousy still, lotsa coughing, no sense taste or smell, exhausted, been out of commisson since around 10/29. His wife and 2 schoolage kids, no symptoms, and all negative tests. [I have not seen him in person for at least a month, so no exposure for me from him. We share an assistant, and he interacted in person with her. She has not gotten sick, and continues to test negative].

Client, late 40s: non-vaxed, got pretty ill, monoclonals infused, got better. His top salesperson, 60ish (I am assuming also no vax): in ICU on ventilator for the past week, looks grim.

Friend of Friend: 60ish, fully vaxxed, did a couple of weeks on ventilator, has recovered. Unsure on how is feeling now.





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 18, 2021, 02:17:54 pm
Wait - are they liberal or conservative?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on November 18, 2021, 02:34:12 pm
Wait - are they liberal or conservative?

MoCo anecdotal information:

Co-Worker: 50ish, double pfizered, got pretty ill, monoclonals infused, around a week afterwards he no longer tests positive, feels lousy still, lotsa coughing, no sense taste or smell, exhausted, been out of commisson since around 10/29. His wife and 2 schoolage kids, no symptoms, and all negative tests. [I have not seen him in person for at least a month, so no exposure for me from him. We share an assistant, and he interacted in person with her. She has not gotten sick, and continues to test negative]. Conservative, but no trumper.

Client, late 40s: non-vaxed, got pretty ill, monoclonals infused, got better. His top salesperson, 60ish (I am assuming also no vax): in ICU on ventilator for the past week, looks grim. Conservative, trumpers.

Friend of Friend: 60ish, fully vaxxed, did a couple of weeks on ventilator, has recovered. Unsure on how is feeling now. Liberal.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 18, 2021, 04:23:54 pm
what day of the week did they get their positive results?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on November 19, 2021, 09:30:00 am
Austria announces Europe's first nationwide vaccine mandate and reimposes lockdown as Covid-19 soars

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/europe/austria-national-lockdown-intl/index.html

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 22, 2021, 04:53:08 pm
Where Americans find meaning in life has changed over the past four years

Many things have changed in the United States in the past four years, from a new administration in Washington to the COVID-19 pandemic, which has disrupted work, financial security, family structures and even the ability to move around freely – to say nothing of its impact on public health.

Alongside these shifts, Americans have evolved in where they find meaning in their lives, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of surveys conducted in September 2017 and February 2021. In both years, the Center asked a representative sample of U.S. adults to answer the following question in their own words: “What about your life do you currently find meaningful, fulfilling or satisfying? What keeps you going and why?”


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/18/where-americans-find-meaning-in-life-has-changed-over-the-past-four-years/ (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/18/where-americans-find-meaning-in-life-has-changed-over-the-past-four-years/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 24, 2021, 01:05:37 pm
Aaron Rodgers has "Covid toe," which is a common side effect of "ivermectin brain."


https://twitter.com/RexHuppke/status/1463543794331271176
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 24, 2021, 01:37:05 pm
Aaron Rodgers has "Covid toe," which is a common side effect of "ivermectin brain."

https://twitter.com/RexHuppke/status/1463543794331271176 (https://twitter.com/RexHuppke/status/1463543794331271176)

ha, i was just coming to post about that (https://www.wsj.com/articles/aaron-rodgers-covid-toe-11637725526?st=zcsgf9cic48uymb&reflink=share_mobilewebshare). 

what drives me insane (insaner?) is that if you told the anti-vax mob that a vaccine has the potential side-effect of turning your pinkie purple and being painful as hell to the point of being unable to wear shoes, you can bet they would seize on that as a reason to not take the vaccine.  but the fact that it is a potential side-effect of not getting vaxxed is painful purple pinkie isn't going to convince them to get the shot... yeah, makes sense.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on November 24, 2021, 03:03:03 pm
Got boosted Monday evening. Felt fine for 12 hours, then not great for 24 hours. Feeling fine now 😌
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 24, 2021, 03:06:03 pm
Got boosted Monday evening. Felt fine for 12 hours, then not great for 24 hours. Feeling fine now 😌
co worker had the same thing, got it on a sunday, monday was a wreck..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 24, 2021, 03:10:39 pm
I felt a little sick the next day but nothing major…

I even went out that same night and had a few drinks at a bar…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on November 24, 2021, 03:55:36 pm
the missus was mildly under the weather the day after her booster, like a mild flu/cold, but nothing near what she experienced after her second shot (she was useless for 24 hours after shot #2).  she did get a two-golf-ball-sized red welt size at the injection site, first time that's happened.  BiL & SiL were apparently wrecked the next day and spent it on the couch, both called in sick that day.  haven't gotten mine yet, will schedule for next week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on November 24, 2021, 06:02:21 pm


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32708180/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-says-toe-fractured-puts-bare-foot-front-camera-clear-covid-toe-disinformation
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 26, 2021, 12:28:06 pm
seems the pill is less effective that first advertised, but the big thing is you have to start early and isn't as effective if started later
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/health/covid-antiviral-pills-testing-khn-partner/index.html

and actual supply is way under demand...so lots of potential patients won't even be able to get these
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 26, 2021, 03:16:39 pm
seems the pill is less effective that first advertised, but the big thing is you have to start early and isn't as effective if started later
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/health/covid-antiviral-pills-testing-khn-partner/index.html

and actual supply is way under demand...so lots of potential patients won't even be able to get these

So, pretty much like Tamiflu.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 26, 2021, 03:52:43 pm
seems the pill is less effective that first advertised, but the big thing is you have to start early and isn't as effective if started later
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/health/covid-antiviral-pills-testing-khn-partner/index.html

and actual supply is way under demand...so lots of potential patients won't even be able to get these

So, pretty much like Tamiflu.
seems like it, didn't know that had that high rates of efficacy actually
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 26, 2021, 07:03:36 pm
seems the pill is less effective that first advertised, but the big thing is you have to start early and isn't as effective if started later
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/health/covid-antiviral-pills-testing-khn-partner/index.html

and actual supply is way under demand...so lots of potential patients won't even be able to get these

So, pretty much like Tamiflu.
seems like it, didn't know that had that high rates of efficacy actually

Tamiflu doesn't really help the patient much but apparently helps reduce transmission. But you have to start it early in the illness, which means lots of people get little from it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 01, 2021, 03:04:55 am
hope...

Jesse Rodriguez @JesseRodriguez
There were no COVID-related deaths yesterday in New York City, where the vaccination rate is over 90%.


... at least until omicron shows up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 01, 2021, 12:29:30 pm
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tested-positive-covid-before-gold-star-families-event-book-2021-12
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 01, 2021, 01:27:05 pm
i saw on Full Frontal there are now "experts" peddling ideas on how to remove the covid vaccine from peoples bodies, including taking a bath in borax..  there really is no bottom for these people...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2021, 03:09:27 pm
So this seems like rubbish, if you're already vaccinated.

Stricter coronavirus testing being weighed for all travelers to U.S.
Biden administration also considering measures such as a 7-day self-quarantine and retesting several days after arrival.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/30/omicron-stricter-travel-rules-us-entry/?fbclid=IwAR1aq2TGoprLtUHvDB7rHMXI0mGSytDE_ISrLKRloavPwSslEw7c3gsblRE

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 01, 2021, 03:35:35 pm
So this seems like rubbish, if you're already vaccinated.

Stricter coronavirus testing being weighed for all travelers to U.S.
Biden administration also considering measures such as a 7-day self-quarantine and retesting several days after arrival.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/30/omicron-stricter-travel-rules-us-entry/?fbclid=IwAR1aq2TGoprLtUHvDB7rHMXI0mGSytDE_ISrLKRloavPwSslEw7c3gsblRE



Vaccines don't touch omicron. Thus, testing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2021, 04:03:10 pm
So this seems like rubbish, if you're already vaccinated.

Stricter coronavirus testing being weighed for all travelers to U.S.
Biden administration also considering measures such as a 7-day self-quarantine and retesting several days after arrival.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/30/omicron-stricter-travel-rules-us-entry/?fbclid=IwAR1aq2TGoprLtUHvDB7rHMXI0mGSytDE_ISrLKRloavPwSslEw7c3gsblRE



Vaccines don't touch omicron. Thus, testing.

What is your source? This one seems to say otherwise.

On Tuesday morning, head of Public Health Services Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis told the Knesset Law and Constitution Committee that the first data about the efficacy of the corona vaccines against Omicron were expected to be shared with Israel by South Africa during the day.
A few hours later, Horowitz spoke about the subject during a visit at the Soroka-University Medical Center in Beersheba.

“In the coming days we will have more accurate information about the efficacy of the vaccine against Omicron, but there is already room for optimism, and there are initial indications that those who are vaccinated with a vaccine still valid or with a booster will also be protected from this variant,” Horowitz noted.


https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-efficacy-v-omicron-what-we-know-so-far-687529
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 01, 2021, 05:11:44 pm
So this seems like rubbish, if you're already vaccinated.

Stricter coronavirus testing being weighed for all travelers to U.S.
Biden administration also considering measures such as a 7-day self-quarantine and retesting several days after arrival.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/30/omicron-stricter-travel-rules-us-entry/?fbclid=IwAR1aq2TGoprLtUHvDB7rHMXI0mGSytDE_ISrLKRloavPwSslEw7c3gsblRE



Vaccines don't touch omicron. Thus, testing.

What is your source? This one seems to say otherwise.

On Tuesday morning, head of Public Health Services Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis told the Knesset Law and Constitution Committee that the first data about the efficacy of the corona vaccines against Omicron were expected to be shared with Israel by South Africa during the day.
A few hours later, Horowitz spoke about the subject during a visit at the Soroka-University Medical Center in Beersheba.

“In the coming days we will have more accurate information about the efficacy of the vaccine against Omicron, but there is already room for optimism, and there are initial indications that those who are vaccinated with a vaccine still valid or with a booster will also be protected from this variant,” Horowitz noted.


https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-efficacy-v-omicron-what-we-know-so-far-687529

I mean, nobody really knows, and won't likely know for 2 weeks. But if you search for 'omicron vaccine', your link is literally the only one that is optimistic. The CEO of Moderna - who lives and breathes this issue very single day - says that they're expecting far less protection against omicron than other variants.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2021, 05:33:04 pm
So this seems like rubbish, if you're already vaccinated.

Stricter coronavirus testing being weighed for all travelers to U.S.
Biden administration also considering measures such as a 7-day self-quarantine and retesting several days after arrival.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/30/omicron-stricter-travel-rules-us-entry/?fbclid=IwAR1aq2TGoprLtUHvDB7rHMXI0mGSytDE_ISrLKRloavPwSslEw7c3gsblRE



Vaccines don't touch omicron. Thus, testing.

What is your source? This one seems to say otherwise.

On Tuesday morning, head of Public Health Services Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis told the Knesset Law and Constitution Committee that the first data about the efficacy of the corona vaccines against Omicron were expected to be shared with Israel by South Africa during the day.
A few hours later, Horowitz spoke about the subject during a visit at the Soroka-University Medical Center in Beersheba.

“In the coming days we will have more accurate information about the efficacy of the vaccine against Omicron, but there is already room for optimism, and there are initial indications that those who are vaccinated with a vaccine still valid or with a booster will also be protected from this variant,” Horowitz noted.


https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-efficacy-v-omicron-what-we-know-so-far-687529

I mean, nobody really knows, and won't likely know for 2 weeks. But if you search for 'omicron vaccine', your link is literally the only one that is optimistic. The CEO of Moderna - who lives and breathes this issue very single day - says that they're expecting far less protection against omicron than other variants.

Pfizer guy is a bit more optimistic than Moderna guy.

Although it is possible that omicron may prove better than the delta variant at evading antibodies, Sahin said, it is too early to say whether the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine would need to be adjusted. Billions of doses have been administered globally.

“Whether or not we will need extra protection by an adapted vaccine, this remains to be seen, later,” Sahin said.

This is a notably different tone from that taken by Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel, who on Tuesday predicted “a material drop” in protection by existing vaccines at combating omicron compared with previous variants of the virus. “All the scientists I’ve talked to … [say], ‘This is not going to be good,’ ” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/01/omicron-vaccine-pfizer-biontech-ugur-sahin/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 02, 2021, 11:52:09 am
Here we go!

https://twitter.com/Bogs4NY/status/1466433371475779592
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 02, 2021, 12:05:17 pm
It’s a weird time

805,000 Americans- at least- have died after contracting covid

And I will continue wearing my mask almost everywhere when out and staying up to date on vaccination….

And yet until science bears out that omicron is more contagious or deadly I am just not interested in hearing about it or panicking

Some in the media seem to want to make everyone panic and some have gotten into a bit of a disaster flick loop where they get almost excited by new developments

Long term the continuing number of new variants developing is worrisome

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 02, 2021, 12:09:49 pm
It’s a weird time

805,000 Americans- at least- have died after contracting covid

And I will continue wearing my mask almost everywhere when out and staying up to date on vaccination….

And yet until science bears out that omicron is more contagious or deadly I am just not interested in hearing about it or panicking

Some in the media seem to want to make everyone panic and some have gotten into a bit of a disaster flick loop where they get almost excited by new developments

Long term the continuing number of new variants developing is worrisome



Omicron *appears* to be infectious to both vaccinated and unvaccinated. It also *appears* to cause mild cases among vaccinated people. I have not personally heard of any unvaccinated person contracting omicron, so it's relative severity is a big unknown.

But yes, wait for the science.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: StoneTheCrow on December 02, 2021, 12:17:24 pm
I was in NYC the same weekend as Minnesota Man. Hotel was <30 minute walk to that convention center.

My wife doesn’t find it as amusing as I do. Oh, well…..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 02, 2021, 01:40:04 pm
The person in Minnesota who got Omicron & had mild symptoms received a booster shot in early November

https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1466456052229197826 (https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1466456052229197826)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 02, 2021, 01:59:10 pm
Some in the media seem to want to make everyone panic and some have gotten into a bit of a disaster flick loop where they get almost excited by new developments
can confirm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 02, 2021, 02:15:28 pm
Biden Administration is moving to make free at home tests available to Americans.
All insured Americans to get tests paid for 100% by insurance companies.
50 million at home tests will be freely available at community sites on top of 20,000 free testing sites.

I've probably said it like a hundred times, but think if this had been done in April of 2020...we'd probably have a much lower death toll
flame on
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 02, 2021, 02:47:00 pm
well i believe had "but her emails" won the response would have been a lot better, but the backlash from the free thinking states\faux news thinkers  would have be swifter..   can you imagine the response to anything from her administration being greeted well at all in red states?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 02, 2021, 03:23:18 pm
One wonders if H had won would Trump have run again and won?


I think losing to H would have hurt Trump’s “I am a winner” brand but of course he would have alleged fraud.

I have come to believe covid in the US would have been a shit show regardless… I mean tons of people have died from covid under Biden and that’s with the vaccines
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 02, 2021, 03:39:03 pm
I think there's some kind of twisted time warp going on here...or as site admin, kosmo knows how we're going to respond even before we hit post.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 02, 2021, 03:57:09 pm
I have come to believe covid in the US would have been a shit show regardless… I mean tons of people have died from covid under Biden and that’s with the vaccines

there are degrees of shit show... would have been a smaller shit show had H been prez and we all followed the science - but, as you point out, a shit show nonetheless.  you know, maybe 300K dead instead of 400K.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 03, 2021, 04:27:54 pm
3 Omicrons in Maryland, all in Baltimore.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on December 06, 2021, 11:38:01 am
The Hold Steady's merch guy tested positive for Covid.
He also sings one song with the band, and sang it Saturday night, it's called "Stay Positive."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on December 07, 2021, 01:36:13 pm
This is both a terrifying and depressing read. Kinda crazy how fast the country got, err, crazy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/rakxun/my_career_of_treating_patients_has_ended/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 08, 2021, 08:53:48 pm
i wonder if trumpers will point to this as the reason why covid got so bad in this country, as opposed to inane (lack of) policies and general anti-scienceness on the right:

The Coronavirus Attacks Fat Tissue, Scientists Find (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html)
The research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at higher risk of severe illness and death from Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 09, 2021, 06:04:55 pm
That means the number of Americans who have died from the virus could be closer to 1 million, not the roughly 793,200 deaths officially recorded as of Thursday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-us-is-undercounting-covid-deaths-researchers-say-now-they-have-a-tool-to-figure-out-why/ar-AARDINd?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 09, 2021, 06:11:13 pm
Well I only been saying this forever


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 09, 2021, 06:12:39 pm
you say a lot of things
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 09, 2021, 06:18:45 pm
Boo
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 15, 2021, 09:41:09 pm
Fourth wave is here….and in most places..we are a little behind Europe (as usual) and ahead of South America…

World

(https://i.ibb.co/TbQw4pw/CC990200-B51-F-40-B6-BBA0-5-E68-B7-FCA5-EA.png) (https://ibb.co/JyYcv0c)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 15, 2021, 10:40:58 pm
A couple of PG County Schools and at least one DC school already back to virtual.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 16, 2021, 08:31:06 am
https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/As-covid-cases-rise-in-the-region-Maryland-16706012.php
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 16, 2021, 03:05:24 pm
...wastewater samples show that the new omicron variant is now the dominant strain of COVID-19 in the Florida county that is home to the nation’s largest theme park resorts.

https://wtop.com/life-style/2021/12/omicron-is-dominant-in-wastewater-samples-in-florida-county/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 16, 2021, 07:12:25 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/Tw3HFH0/covid-chart.png) (https://twitter.com/maolesen/status/1471188829302317056)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 16, 2021, 07:34:39 pm
I saw this chart!


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 16, 2021, 08:02:24 pm
But hasn’t even remotely moved the needle on the base of the people who represent them
Would think the likelihood of a gop voter who lost a friend or relative has got to be way higher than if you were a democrat
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 16, 2021, 08:57:03 pm
Would think the likelihood of a gop voter who lost a friend or relative has got to be way higher than if you were a democrat

that's the level of self-deception some folks are at: a loved that one died of the disease is fake news.  everyone must be lying to them.  they know the truth, everyone else is wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 16, 2021, 09:18:17 pm
https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/columbia-university-finds-omicron-vaccine-resistance/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 16, 2021, 09:35:35 pm
I suspect we'll soon see the return of enforced social distancing and restaurants going take-out/delivery only. Many shows will be cancelled through at least March.

I was already delaying an overdue haircut until 2 weeks after getting my booster (scheduled for 12/27). Reminds me of when this started: I was due for a cut in mid March 2020, then everything started shutting down.

Saw Route 1 traffic partially blocked by cars in line for an evening COVID testing site in College Park.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 16, 2021, 09:41:26 pm
I hope you are wrong….and you do get your 💇‍♂️
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on December 16, 2021, 10:25:07 pm
Can someone explain why UMD is canceling commencement? Can’t you enforce mask wearing and (possibly) require vaccination status? If not, couldn’t you move it outside?

I’m pretty conservative when it comes to COVID but this seems over the top, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 16, 2021, 10:28:48 pm
Totally agree


Am just optimistic I guess…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 16, 2021, 11:07:53 pm
Can someone explain why UMD is canceling commencement? Can’t you enforce mask wearing and (possibly) require vaccination status? If not, couldn’t you move it outside?

I’m pretty conservative when it comes to COVID but this seems over the top, right?

Who's graduating?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 16, 2021, 11:17:55 pm
Can someone explain why UMD is canceling commencement? Can’t you enforce mask wearing and (possibly) require vaccination status? If not, couldn’t you move it outside?

I’m pretty conservative when it comes to COVID but this seems over the top, right?

I mean, we're at the beginning of the next wave. The current spike in cases is an echo from Thanksgiving holiday travel. Omicron breaks through vaccines and boosters. Maryland is already seeing a spike in hospital admissions. High schools are shutting down, and sports are being canceled. Why should we pack 10,000 people into an enclosed space for something that we can do online?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on December 16, 2021, 11:32:08 pm
Can someone explain why UMD is canceling commencement? Can’t you enforce mask wearing and (possibly) require vaccination status? If not, couldn’t you move it outside?

I’m pretty conservative when it comes to COVID but this seems over the top, right?

I mean, we're at the beginning of the next wave. The current spike in cases is an echo from Thanksgiving holiday travel. Omicron breaks through vaccines and boosters. Maryland is already seeing a spike in hospital admissions. High schools are shutting down, and sports are being canceled. Why should we pack 10,000 people into an enclosed space for something that we can do online?

I understand that - I guess I’m more surprised that it couldn’t even be relocated to an outdoor venue given we know outdoor transmission, especially with masks, is relatively low.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 16, 2021, 11:57:48 pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 17, 2021, 11:58:31 am
All the WFT quarterbacks test positive for COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 17, 2021, 12:03:32 pm
So is the emerging consensus this new variant spreads easier - even with full vaccine- but is not that bad ?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 17, 2021, 12:10:55 pm
So is the emerging consensus this new variant spreads easier - even with full vaccine- but is not that bad ?

That's what my experts have told me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 17, 2021, 12:52:35 pm
I mean the UK had over 90,000 cases and 111 deaths today and it’s been like that for the past few weeks in Europe, right?

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2021, 02:16:08 pm
Arlington County just recorded the second- and third-highest single-day Covid case totals of the pandemic.
https://www.arlnow.com/2021/12/17/breaking-covid-case-count-in-arlington-spikes-amid-omicron-worries/
While Arlington’s vaccination rate — more than 90% of the adult population has received at least one jab — makes the county less susceptible to the worst health outcomes from a large Covid wave


Even if Arlington is fortunate enough to avoid a significant increase in serious illness from Covid this winter, a large wave would have other deleterious effects. Masking requirements may become stricter in some places and temporary closures of certain venues are possible. Daycare centers, pre-schools and K-12 schools could have outbreaks that send many students home to quarantine.

Arlington Public Schools has seen a more than 60% rise in cases over the past week, compared to the prior seven day period — 103 cases this past week compared to 64 cases the previous week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on December 17, 2021, 04:14:07 pm
Anyone else getting 2020 vibes? I feel like MoCo is going to cave after the break and go back to virtual school the way this is trending.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2021, 04:14:48 pm
Anyone else getting 2020 vibes? I feel like MoCo is going to cave after the break and go back to virtual school the way this is trending.
I am
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 17, 2021, 04:19:15 pm
Anyone else getting 2020 vibes? I feel like MoCo is going to cave after the break and go back to virtual school the way this is trending.

I'd increase the size of the wall you're building and just have it wrap and cover your entire home, see you in April of 2022!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2021, 04:29:22 pm
the fourth wave is here, should peak in late Jan per my BiL who teaches immunology.  ugh.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on December 17, 2021, 04:43:02 pm
the fourth wave is here, should peak in late Jan per my BiL who teaches immunology.  ugh.

Welp, it's been real! On the bright side looks like like I'll go back to picking up Frankly Pizza weekly.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on December 17, 2021, 05:29:40 pm
PG County schools going virtual starting 12/20 through 1/14
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2021, 05:33:50 pm
i'm supposed to attend a homebrew club party/bottle-share tonight and everyone has started to get nervous.  it was supposed to be a mix of indoor and outdoor, and now the indoor portion has been jettisoned (yeay thermals!).  still a chance the whole thing might be shitcanned at the last second.  did i mention ugh?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2021, 05:49:39 pm
alcohol kills covid....have you not learned anything
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 17, 2021, 09:52:41 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CXmvb-1MYNv/?utm_medium=copy_link

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 18, 2021, 01:36:19 pm
the fourth wave is here, should peak in late Jan per my BiL who teaches immunology.  ugh.

judging by all the unmasked people at the grocery store this morning, people dgaf.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 18, 2021, 01:44:25 pm


Here in Arlington by East Falls Church masking is pretty predominant… and at grocery stores 90% plus


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on December 18, 2021, 04:42:06 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG6txkYXMAUEzos?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 18, 2021, 05:53:59 pm
I mean the UK had over 90,000 cases and 111 deaths today and it’s been like that for the past few weeks in Europe, right?

That seemsa very low death rate for so many cases. are you saying thats evidence thay Omicron os not very deadly in a highly vaccinated population?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2021, 06:00:20 pm
I mean the UK had over 90,000 cases and 111 deaths today and it’s been like that for the past few weeks in Europe, right?

That seemsa very low death rate for so many cases. are you saying thats evidence thay Omicron os not very deadly in a highly vaccinated population?
That’s my armchair take…but I’ll still mask at stores.

Still a lot of risk for ‘at-risk” populations
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 18, 2021, 06:17:44 pm
Death surges trail cases by a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 18, 2021, 06:25:38 pm
The way to think about this is to count preventable deaths vs inevitable deaths.  IMO  nearly all 111 of those were preventable, based on vaccination, isolation and masking.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 18, 2021, 06:26:26 pm
Death surges trail cases by a couple of weeks.
of course
But would be a welcome trend if it stays that way
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 18, 2021, 06:39:09 pm
Also, MD hasn't reported any COVID data in over a week because their system was hacked.  But Twitter is reporting this:

We remain in the dark in Maryland about the extent of the current Covid surge..but this is probably a clue. DC with its highest number new cases ever

https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/1471974510043844613?t=_xVTIl5GA721HzG0EaIF0g&s=19
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 19, 2021, 11:44:18 am
I mean the UK had over 90,000 cases and 111 deaths today and it’s been like that for the past few weeks in Europe, right?

That seemsa very low death rate for so many cases. are you saying thats evidence thay Omicron os not very deadly in a highly vaccinated population?
Viruses, over time, generally become more contagious and less efficacious. Simple evolution.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 19, 2021, 12:24:45 pm
I guess I was saying I am not going to freak out….yet


Now if I was unvaccinated or lived somewhere with real low vaccinated rates I would probably freak out

There was a great article about DHS Secretary Becerra saying something about how we need to focus on severity of cases and not “new cases”

My concern about letting Covid19 variants burn through populations is rise of new mutations like what if we get one that spreads really easily AND is super deadly… seems like if viruses weaken this is unlikely?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 19, 2021, 01:14:37 pm
I guess I was saying I am not going to freak out….yet


Now if I was unvaccinated or lived somewhere with real low vaccinated rates I would probably freak out

There was a great article about DHS Secretary Becerra saying something about how we need to focus on severity of cases and not “new cases”

My concern about letting Covid19 variants burn through populations is rise of new mutations like what if we get one that spreads really easily AND is super deadly… seems like if viruses weaken this is unlikely?

The unvaccinated are freaking out, but not necessarily what you would have them freaking out about.

I spoke to my mom yesterday, and she told me she's "thinking of moving to Florida, because Biden is going to put all of the unvaccinated in concentration camps (that Obama built.)"

I reminded her that Florida is part of the United States, and posed the question that "wouldn't they have the camps in Florida too?" And she said that "No, Governor Desantis is very strong, and he would never allow that to happen."

We moved on to talking about how it looks like it's going to be 60 here on Xmas, and I mentioned global warming. And she replied, "Oh I don't believe all that crap, it's all man-made."

 And I said "Of course it's man-made, we've been doing all the wrong things for many years." And she replied, "No, I'm talking about the giant machine in Alaska they control the weather with."

We then moved on to talking about her aging dog and all of his vet bills, and the new false teeth she finally sprung for. Though I did make one last pitch for her to get the vaccine by mentioning all the unvaccinated people on their death beds who were belatedly begging for the vaccine. She replied that she won't get sick because she takes her vitamins and has stopped sharing the elevator with anyone in her building.

Anyway, your concern about a more deadly mutation ripping through the population is one I share. I guess great minds think alike, or watch Station Eleven.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 19, 2021, 05:04:30 pm
And she replied, "No, I'm talking about the giant machine in Alaska they control the weather with."
as a Jew, I can confirm this is wrong...Jews would never live in Alaska to control the weather
They live in Florida and control the space lasers from there (thankfully Desantis hasn't cracked down on this yet)

Shit...apparently the Mossad is reading this and I'm a marked man, this may be my last post
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 20, 2021, 11:12:51 am
Larry Hogan.

So MD now has one confirmed case since Dec 4...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 20, 2021, 12:11:53 pm
Larry Hogan.

So MD now has one confirmed case since Dec 4...

This after he went on Faux News to criticize PG County Schools for going back to virtual
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 12:30:40 pm
You can’t criticize virtual schooling cause you got covid?


Come on man…what are you saying? We need to stay home locked down forever?

Virtual schooling really is pretty shitty…and has a huge cost to children and their families.

I get the desire to kick Hogan but he’s been pretty good.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 20, 2021, 12:57:13 pm
You can’t criticize virtual schooling cause you got covid?


Come on man…what are you saying? We need to stay home locked down forever?

Virtual schooling really is pretty shitty…and has a huge cost to children and their families.

I get the desire to kick Hogan but he’s been pretty good.

+1. Kosmo doesn't have kids.

My kid actually fared very well, academically, with virtual. Better than in-person. Still, she wants no part of a possible return to virtual. And I realize that many others weren't in as fortunate of circumstances as we were. Some might even argue that disgruntled NoVA parents were one reason why Youngkin won.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 20, 2021, 12:59:48 pm
And she replied, "No, I'm talking about the giant machine in Alaska they control the weather with."
as a Jew, I can confirm this is wrong...Jews would never live in Alaska to control the weather
They live in Florida and control the space lasers from there (thankfully Desantis hasn't cracked down on this yet)

Shit...apparently the Mossad is reading this and I'm a marked man, this may be my last post

This is what she was referring to:

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/conspiracy-theories-abound-u-s-military-closes-haarp-n112576
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 20, 2021, 01:01:00 pm
And she replied, "No, I'm talking about the giant machine in Alaska they control the weather with."
as a Jew, I can confirm this is wrong...Jews would never live in Alaska to control the weather
They live in Florida and control the space lasers from there (thankfully Desantis hasn't cracked down on this yet)

Shit...apparently the Mossad is reading this and I'm a marked man, this may be my last post

This is what she was referring to:

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/conspiracy-theories-abound-u-s-military-closes-haarp-n112576

And this.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/22/fact-check-claim-unvaccinated-being-sent-camps-satire/8026285002/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 01:19:29 pm
School isn’t just about taking tests or being in a classroom listening to teachers…that’s arguably for many the least important part

Particularly for younger kids it’s about learning to be social, make friendships….relate

Older kids obviously will bear virtual learning  much better than younger kids…

What gets me about those always in favor of shutting down in the name of safety is they never give any consideration to all the other costs of doing so… it’s like those costs don’t matter because all that matters is not dying but what living are you left with… is someone going to step in and take care of the kids that get left behind…alive but… how many years do they need to stay home? Forever? And how likely is it my fully vaccinated kids would get covid and die from school? I mean it must be infinitesimal!

It’s just so moronic… the failure to balance all the costs with the benefit… as if a case of covid for a fully vaccinated person who wears masks to school is automatic death…

UK is averaging close to 100,000 new cases with 100 deaths per day.

Oh and let’s throw the economy in the crapper again…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 20, 2021, 01:21:20 pm
Some might even argue that disgruntled NoVA parents were one reason why Youngkin won.
I think it's gone from argument to fact on that
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 20, 2021, 01:42:15 pm
School isn’t just about taking tests or being in a classroom listening to teachers…that’s arguably for many the least important part

Particularly for younger kids it’s about learning to be social, make friendships….relate

Older kids obviously will bear virtual learning  much better than younger kids…

What gets me about those always in favor of shutting down in the name of safety is they never give any consideration to all the other costs of doing so… it’s like those costs don’t matter because all that matters is not dying but what living are you left with… is someone going to step in and take care of the kids that get left behind…alive but… how many years do they need to stay home? Forever? And how likely is it my fully vaccinated kids would get covid and die from school? I mean it must be infinitesimal!

It’s just so moronic… the failure to balance all the costs with the benefit… as if a case of covid for a fully vaccinated person who wears masks to school is automatic death…

UK is averaging close to 100,000 new cases with 100 deaths per day.

Oh and let’s throw the economy in the crapper again…

ii was adking those same questions all the eay back in April 2020. Guess i was ahead of my time, lol.

Some would say of course those kids aren't going to die but their immunocompromised parents and grandparents could.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 01:45:39 pm
I was a kid that would have been happy not to go to school. For years I hated it.

Studying- barely- was the easiest part…I studied but I didn’t need to study much except one class: Physics 11th grade

I remember in high school deciding to take the AP in European history never having actually taken a course, read or studied about European history

The night and day before (on train to school) I read a book on European history, went in and got a 5 of course….my sixth five.. when I went to college on a full scholarship I had a full years worth of credits in the bag….not that I needed them…

Thing is I had a tough time relating to people, making friends, avoiding being bullied until 9th grade (when I put a stop to it)….it’s no wonder being transferred from country to country school to school language to language and having a father- the most important person in my life- that didn’t have one friend after 40…. Meaning I never remember him having a friend 

But it would of all been so much worse if I had done virtual learning…I never would have had contact with anyone outside my kooky father and beaten down mother…my difficulties relating to people would have superseded any academic potential… and arguably it wasn’t even enough…I still had difficulties dealing with people and it did bite me in the ass hard

Staying alive is great but learning to live a life worth living is better….

I wish people thought about some of these things before just letting public health professionals make every decision for us… it’s just a little more complicated than stay at home stay alive

And space the thing is it’s ok to take off a year and change when people are dropping dead in the streets by the thousands daily…and there are no vaccines Space…


But that’s not the situation today!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 20, 2021, 01:50:59 pm
i hear ya hutch. A+ would read again. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 20, 2021, 02:59:47 pm
how many years do they need to stay home? Forever?

don't be a drama queen.  the last lockdown wasn't forever (and in this country, it wasn't even really a lockdown). 

"what?  i have to take a BATH?!?  how long to do i have to stay in the tub, FOREVER?!?!?!111"
 
And how likely is it my fully vaccinated kids would get covid and die from school? I mean it must be infinitesimal!

you do realize how societies work, right?  just because something doesn't apply 100% to you, personally, doesn't mean it's not the right thing for a society to do.
 
It’s just so moronic…

agreed
 
the failure to balance all the costs with the benefit… as if a case of covid for a fully vaccinated person who wears masks to school is automatic death…

do you seriously think that policy makers did not consider the costs and benefits of various mandates before declaring them?  "oh, mary says we should lockdown - i dunno, sounds good to me, let's GOOOOOO!!!"?

or is it that you disagree with the risk/reward assessments that have been made?  perfectly understandable, but don't grandstand that no one is looking at the costs.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 20, 2021, 03:03:30 pm
Bowser said Monday that she is reinstating the District’s indoor mask mandate and declared a state of emergency.

“I will reinstate a citywide mask order,” Bowser said during a briefing, and added that the city plans expanded testing during the winter surge of COVID-19.

Bowser’s order starts at 6 a.m. Tuesday. It will run until Jan. 31.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 03:16:10 pm
I am sorry sweetcell did I mock you, insult you or what have you?

GTFO

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 03:20:40 pm
i hear ya hutch. A+ would read again. Thanks for sharing.

Anyways a lot of it is still in my head but it wasn’t all bad… I must have gotten along with people to get elected student body government president in high school


And no contrary to sweetcell’s rude ass post my concerns are not mainly about my kids.. they will be alright…more like kids in general…a whole generation of them
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 20, 2021, 03:47:09 pm
i hear ya hutch. A+ would read again. Thanks for sharing.

Anyways a lot of it is still in my head but it wasn’t all bad… I must have gotten along with people to get elected student body government president in high school


And no contrary to sweetcell’s rude ass post my concerns are not mainly about my kids.. they will be alright…more like kids in general…a whole generation of them

Not saying this is true for sweetcell, but I seriously think some people enjoy the mass disruption, panic, lockdowns, isolotation, etc. that covid has caused. Kids being out of school should've never happened in the first place and still shouldn't happen IMO.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 20, 2021, 03:58:04 pm
DCPS closed January 3 and 4 so they can distribute 100K self tests.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 20, 2021, 04:36:23 pm
I am sorry sweetcell did I mock you, insult you or what have you?

GTFO

that is an excellent rebuttal to the points i made.  i will have to reconsider my position based on the arguments you present. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 20, 2021, 04:47:34 pm
And no contrary to sweetcell’s rude ass post

where exactly was i rude?

or are you not used to having your ideas challenged?

or are you THAT sensitive?



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 04:56:24 pm
how many years do they need to stay home? Forever?

don't be a drama queen.  the last lockdown wasn't forever (and in this country, it wasn't even really a lockdown). 

"what?  i have to take a BATH?!?  how long to do i have to stay in the tub, FOREVER?!?!?!111"
 
And how likely is it my fully vaccinated kids would get covid and die from school? I mean it must be infinitesimal!

you do realize how societies work, right?  just because something doesn't apply 100% to you, personally, doesn't mean it's not the right thing for a society to do.
 
It’s just so moronic…

agreed
 
the failure to balance all the costs with the benefit… as if a case of covid for a fully vaccinated person who wears masks to school is automatic death…

do you seriously think that policy makers did not consider the costs and benefits of various mandates before declaring them?  "oh, mary says we should lockdown - i dunno, sounds good to me, let's GOOOOOO!!!"?

or is it that you disagree with the risk/reward assessments that have been made?  perfectly understandable, but don't grandstand that no one is looking at the costs.

Rude, condescending and mocking…not worth engaging with…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 20, 2021, 05:02:30 pm
or are you not used to having your ideas challenged?

or are you THAT sensitive?
It's like you're just discovering Hutch for the first time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 05:11:10 pm
I don’t mind having opinions challenged - I would hardly say they are ideas- but I do mind sarcasm and condescension.

Not sure why Sweetcell felt triggered.

I get that it’s been a bed of roses keeping kids home for those that can hire their own personal teachers for their kids but it’s good to think beyond yourself.

And no I don’t think most local, state and national governments have done much so far beyond going along with the recommendations of the public health officials. I believe most government is fairly chaotic, disfunctional, and expensive.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 05:18:12 pm
But Sweetcell sort of embodies the general mindset among liberals. Anyone that so much as lifts a peep against the prevailing orthodoxy on how society handles covid is mocked.

We have had 21 months of this and even if we went along with things, observed all the recommendations, wore the masks and got fully vaccinated if we should now say “Hey we have vaccines , maybe it’s not as deadly anymore, the costs do pile up and become harder to bear with longer term consequences” then one must expect to be treated with disdain….one’s motives to be questioned… one must simply do as one is told
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 20, 2021, 06:08:18 pm
MD data is back up. 10% positivity.

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 07:29:47 pm
UK had close to 91,000 new cases reported today with 44 deaths.



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on December 20, 2021, 08:57:37 pm
that is an excellent rebuttal to the points i made.  i will have to reconsider my position based on the arguments you present. 

40 years ago the guy was student body president, so you know, he's got a resume.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 09:03:28 pm
that is an excellent rebuttal to the points i made.  i will have to reconsider my position based on the arguments you present. 

40 years ago the guy was student body president, so you know, he's got a resume.


“The guy”? Me?

Really? I did get a photocopier for the students to use!

But I didn’t mean it as a humblebrag…more like that I got along ok with others… which wasn’t always easy going to an international school with different groups from different places







Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 20, 2021, 09:19:25 pm
how many years do they need to stay home? Forever?

don't be a drama queen.  the last lockdown wasn't forever (and in this country, it wasn't even really a lockdown). 





-Drama Queen? I think it’s been a big deal. My father in law died. We couldn’t see him the last few months. Of course the nursing home wouldn’t let us see him and then we know what happened

Why couldn’t it last forever? If the virus is around forever and mutates who knows?

- the last lockdown or whatever you want to call it meant no school for my kids for part of a year and almost a full year. I don’t want to say too much more personal cause some seem to derive joy from using things against one but there were other impacts







"what?  i have to take a BATH?!?  how long to do i have to stay in the tub, FOREVER?!?!?!111"
 
- seems immature on your part…this is what you mean about a debate?






And how likely is it my fully vaccinated kids would get covid and die from school? I mean it must be infinitesimal!

you do realize how societies work, right?  just because something doesn't apply 100% to you, personally, doesn't mean it's not the right thing for a society to do.

- What is with the condescension man? Just make your points and spare me that
- I didn’t mean my kids specifically fool…I meant fully vaccinated people
- actually now we are at a point where we need to prioritize the interests of the vaccinated…if we can’t compel people to get vaccinated we can certainly move on
from them…



It’s just so moronic…

agreed
 
- ?





the failure to balance all the costs with the benefit… as if a case of covid for a fully vaccinated person who wears masks to school is automatic death…

do you seriously think that policy makers did not consider the costs and benefits of various mandates before declaring them?  "oh, mary says we should lockdown - i dunno, sounds good to me, let's GOOOOOO!!!"?


- I think herd mentality sets in… local governments just follow whatever everyone else is doing…nobody wants to appear not to prioritize safety






or is it that you disagree with the risk/reward assessments that have been made?  perfectly understandable, but don't grandstand that no one is looking at the costs.

- I think the costs are minimized..i don’t hear a lot of talk about it… I think the politicians in many places largely just follow what the public health professionals say

Sorry about the formatting
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 21, 2021, 12:01:27 am
This

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/20/leana-wen-omicron-holiday-guidance/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 21, 2021, 12:02:34 am
Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk

Latest CDC data by vaccine status:

Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated: 134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 21, 2021, 12:10:12 am
But Sweetcell sort of embodies the general mindset among liberals. Anyone that so much as lifts a peep against the prevailing orthodoxy on how society handles covid is mocked.

i understand why you feel that why.  i don't agree, i think you're wrong about your assessment of me, but i understand.


the flip side of this is that you embody the general mindset among those who put themselves ahead of collective concerns.  "i don't care if someone else's grandma dies, i want *my* kids back in school (so they are less of a burden)!  FREEDOMS!!!!"  i suspect you're about to tear into me about how that isn't the case, that isn't why you think what you think... to you i say: please see my first paragraph above.  we're both being reductionist.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 21, 2021, 12:16:39 am
Exactly odds of death for the vaccinated are Infinitesimally small and yet we are canceling everything as if we are in early 2020…. Well it’s not early 2020… we have vaccines, boosters…. Better medicines for serious cases


If people don’t want to get vaccinated the risk is on them… we don’t need to shut down and cancel our activities on their behalf…we don’t need to go into a recession because of them..

There are still issues that need to be addressed…what to do about kids too young to be vaccinated, what about nurses in hospitals overrun by unvaccinated sick people? And much more…



April 21 2020 US had reported about 27,000 new cases and 2700 deaths. There was no vaccine available to those 2700 people who died.

Today 143,000 new cases and 650 deaths overwhelmingly composed of people that chose to die by not getting vaccinated (I realize it’s a Monday…I realize we test more now)

But the  situation is so different we shouldn’t act as if we have to do the same things we did then
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 21, 2021, 12:48:23 am
how many years do they need to stay home? Forever?

don't be a drama queen.  the last lockdown wasn't forever (and in this country, it wasn't even really a lockdown). 

-Drama Queen? I think it’s been a big deal.

your use of "forever" came across as over the top.  mandates and lockdowns have come and gone, depending on prevailing conditions.  nothing has been "forever" so far, so invoking that possibility is pure hyperbole.

Why couldn’t it last forever? If the virus is around forever and mutates who knows?

indeed, no one knows.  however, pathogens follow a pretty predictable arc: with time they become more widespread (more contagious), but less severe (fewer deaths).  makes sense: if a pathogen becomes more deadly, it will run out of people to infect and kill.  this is why some are saying that SARS-COV-2 will eventually become like the flu: endemic, unbeatable, and low impact (for the vaccinated).  trying to scare folks with statements to the effect that if we continue to follow the science we'll all have to spend the rest of our lives indoors is both wrong and dishonest.

I don’t want to say too much more personal cause some seem to derive joy from using things against one but there were other impacts
 
yeah, best to avoid personal details.  sad but true.

"what?  i have to take a BATH?!?  how long to do i have to stay in the tub, FOREVER?!?!?!111"

- seems immature on your part…this is what you mean about a debate?
- What is with the condescension man? Just make your points and spare me that

i was trying t illustrate how immature your hyperbolic argument sounded, but this is a valid criticism.  i could have said that otherwise.

- I didn’t mean my kids specifically fool
 
i'm sorry, what were you just saying a moment ago?

the failure to balance all the costs with the benefit… as if a case of covid for a fully vaccinated person who wears masks to school is automatic death…

no one is saying that (again, the hyperbole).  and, one's own death shouldn't be the only motivating force in society.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on December 21, 2021, 09:02:22 am
Been out of pocket a while. What I miss?  Everyone good and getting along?  Merry Christmas y'all!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 21, 2021, 10:44:28 am
(https://i.ibb.co/FJVT3ZQ/6026-AAEE-7956-406-B-B4-DC-0-D1-F4-A4-EBC48.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ftvwF63)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 21, 2021, 09:02:37 pm
Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk

Latest CDC data by vaccine status:

Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated: 134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k

what time frame do thosr numbers cover?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 21, 2021, 10:55:23 pm
U.S. COVID update: Daily cases rising at fastest rate since pandemic began

- New cases: 190,190
- Average: 153,792 (+10,819)
- States reporting: 47/50
- In hospital: 68,290 (+1,099)
- In ICU: 16,477 (+224)
- New deaths: 2,104
- Average: 1,396 (+54)

Data: https://t.co/YDZSbYO7l7
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 22, 2021, 10:48:10 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHJs-oUWYAIepCi?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

fresh wave of bad reviews for yankee candles (https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/1473360059908374539) (Twitter link)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHLzLx-WQAA--rE?format=png&name=small)

Here's a plot of the "no smell" complaints for the top three Yankee Candles on Amazon. (https://twitter.com/nick_beauchamp/status/1473509106187223043?s=20) (also Twitter)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 22, 2021, 11:02:14 am
^^ See how that overlays with coronavirus surges.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 22, 2021, 01:52:05 pm
Why wasn’t this done in February

Government incompetence

And it’s an expensive government we pay for…

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-jen-psaki-08ee41d8e7c0af1ad8b4dfb7b434ea61
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 22, 2021, 02:14:57 pm
Why wasn’t this done in February

Government incompetence

And it’s an expensive government we pay for…

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-jen-psaki-08ee41d8e7c0af1ad8b4dfb7b434ea61

Wait. Which is it? The government is too expensive,  or the government should have spent all this money a year ago?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Vas Deferens on December 22, 2021, 02:24:37 pm
"The answer goes back to the U.S.'s approach at the start of the pandemic. The U.S. government — under both Trump and Biden — didn't oversee and pay for universal at-home testing the way it did with vaccines."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/10/1062700278/how-the-u-s-got-on-the-slow-track-with-at-home-covid-tests

Why wasn’t this done in February

Government incompetence

And it’s an expensive government we pay for…

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-jen-psaki-08ee41d8e7c0af1ad8b4dfb7b434ea61
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 22, 2021, 04:01:41 pm
Why wasn’t this done in February

Government incompetence

And it’s an expensive government we pay for…

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-jen-psaki-08ee41d8e7c0af1ad8b4dfb7b434ea61

Wait. Which is it? The government is too expensive,  or the government should have spent all this money a year ago?

It’s both.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 22, 2021, 04:30:18 pm
Why wasn’t this done in February

Government incompetence

And it’s an expensive government we pay for…

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-jen-psaki-08ee41d8e7c0af1ad8b4dfb7b434ea61

Wait. Which is it? The government is too expensive,  or the government should have spent all this money a year ago?

It’s both.

I feel like you have to choose between large, interventionist government, or small, laissez faire government. You can't really have both (or neither). Otherwise you just look like someone who likes to criticize everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 22, 2021, 04:34:08 pm
You can have a small government that does the things it’s supposed to do.

I mean giant bailouts for corporations is not something- typically- I think government should do.

Putting out covid test kits 18 months into a pandemic that has killed a million Americans seems like a nobrainer and will save government money.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 22, 2021, 04:37:32 pm
But why should the government even be providing free test kits at all? Consumers who want them should just go and get them. Making them free won't have a huge impact on whether or not they're used. IF the government mails every household a test kit, nearly 1/3 to 1/2 of them will be wasted. Is that the way small government should work?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 22, 2021, 05:23:02 pm
Big fan of all the disposable masks and a few hundred million unused tests being thrown in a dump taking 100s of years to decompose.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 22, 2021, 05:49:29 pm
The Mountain Goat
https://fb.watch/a3lIKmMyeo/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 22, 2021, 06:03:54 pm
Not really opining on whether they should be mailed to people or free.

Beyond my pay grade.


I just don’t think they are widely available enough.

They should at the very least be widely and easily available and inexpensive to encourage their use.

Why? Public health.

I don’t really get your thinking. Me saying government is wasteful doesn’t preclude one from saying government ought to spend money on something.

These kind of arguments remind me of people who come down on Springsteen cause he is rich or people who think you can’t be interested in the environment and take a plane. It’s all about nuance.



Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2021, 06:11:03 pm
hasn't some boardie been beating this 'free and easy' testing since May of 2020
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2021, 06:11:35 pm
The Mountain Goat
https://fb.watch/a3lIKmMyeo/
is he immortal now?  Keeps saying that he's not going to die
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 22, 2021, 06:12:15 pm
I thought we were talking about the role of government, and I also thought you were making 2 arguments that were in opposition to each other.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 22, 2021, 07:08:29 pm
I just don’t see anything contradictory about saying government is wasteful and should be as limited as possible AND that in a pandemic which has killed a million Americans government should play a role and spend money to further public health.

Now if I had said government should not exist or government should never spend a nickel AND then said government should spend money on test  kits then that would be contradictory.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2021, 10:35:50 pm
both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on December 22, 2021, 10:39:51 pm
good

both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 22, 2021, 10:58:49 pm
both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J

i think theyve both been requiring proof of vax already.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 22, 2021, 11:28:23 pm
I thought I read somewhere that City Winery NYC is requiring vaccines and a negative test result within 24 hours of the show.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 22, 2021, 11:29:16 pm
This is news to me about DC requiring proof of vaccination for restaurants and other indoor gatherings effective January 15


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/major-us-cities-vaccine-test-mandates-covid-19/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2021, 01:15:45 am
both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J

i think theyve both been requiring proof of vax already.
no, this is fairly new.  IMP was one of the few in the area you needed proof of vax
 you were previously able to show a recent negative test

This is news to me about DC requiring proof of vaccination for restaurants and other indoor gatherings effective January 15


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/major-us-cities-vaccine-test-mandates-covid-19/index.html
and this makes sense why they changed the policy

I wonder if Arlington will follow suit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 23, 2021, 10:08:10 am
both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J

i think theyve both been requiring proof of vax already.
no, this is fairly new.  IMP was one of the few in the area you needed proof of vax
 you were previously able to show a recent negative test

This is news to me about DC requiring proof of vaccination for restaurants and other indoor gatherings effective January 15


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/major-us-cities-vaccine-test-mandates-covid-19/index.html
and this makes sense why they changed the policy

I wonder if Arlington will follow suit

i guess the new part is that negative tests are no longer accepted in the absencr of proof of vax.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2021, 02:50:27 pm
Trump could have really moved the needle on this months ago.  I love how he says 'I came up with the Vax', but  in the end he sends the right message and he even pushes back on Candice to say the Vax is necessary and it’s the people who won’t take the vaccine that are the problem.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1474024520721866789?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 23, 2021, 03:00:56 pm
Well he knows his voters are dying from not being vaccinated and in close elections in certain states it could determine result.


I have never believed he is dumb like liberals like to say.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 23, 2021, 03:14:01 pm
And before someone chimes in: the reason he wouldn’t move the needle months ago is back then it wasn’t disproportionately and to the same degree Trump voters dying…. Now that we have a few months to get vaccinated and boostered it is predominantly Trump voters

Six months ago he still benefited politically from being perceived as leading the anti-vax movement

Factor in all his potentially  dead supporters and it’s not quite as attractive
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2021, 03:21:42 pm
I agree with your analysis

but it's odd to see him do a 180 on something (or maybe I'm forgetting)


Now that we have a few months to get vaccinated and boostered... it is predominantly Trump voters
even with the easy to see data
and
that you are more likely to have a friend or family die if you voted GOP last election
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 23, 2021, 07:06:11 pm
He does 180s all the time… says different things depending on crowd and situation… his base has such a cult like devotion they hear what they want to…and when he lies to them and they know he is lying they don’t care….they also discount some of what he says if they disagree with it and think he is playing a master move on the people they hate… it’s beyond sick and twisted… if the media covers what he says as news they fall into his game and help him execute the con…

Unfortunately when he says something like this it’s covered as news..as significant… but it’s not because he will say the exact opposite the next time…. However he is a master charlatan and some people always fall for the con… in this case it will be reported as news and some people in the middle and wavering in support for Biden will think “See Trump is not so bad…he developed the vaccine and wants people to be vaccinated…all that stuff people say about him are lies..”

Wasn’t it Baltimore’s greatest son, H. L. Mencken, who said something like “nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people”?

Interesting what he actually said

http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/09/no-one-ever-went-broke-underestimating.html?m=1#:~:text=In%20many%20books%20of%20quotations%20and%20on%20thousands,Mencken%20actually%20wrote%20—%20not%20a%20true%20quote.




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 26, 2021, 08:24:36 am
Over 1/3rd of BTS
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 26, 2021, 09:24:29 am
Interesting what he actually said
just read that...this following quote is something
"it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly.”

That strikes me about a lot of people, they don't need or want anything new in their heads.  I've always been drawn to add new things in my brain.  I just can't relate to those in society who don't have an appetite for more
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 27, 2021, 03:25:33 am
Over 1/3rd of BTS

COVID JUST GOT REAL
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 27, 2021, 10:38:37 am
Over 1/3rd of BTS

Maybe it's because I'm a poster on the 9:30 Forum, but to me BTS means Built To Spill. Does it have another meaning?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 27, 2021, 10:49:04 am
Behind The Scenes
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 27, 2021, 08:10:17 pm
i assumed it's the k-pop boy band... hence my previous comment
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on December 27, 2021, 09:08:59 pm
No Jury Trials in Maryland state courts from now through Feb. 8.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on December 28, 2021, 03:34:41 am
4 college football bowl games have now been canceled because of Covid-19 (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/26/us/college-football-bowl-canceled-covid/index.html)

more to come?

(somewhat related: out of a squad of 53 players, 23 members of the New Orleans Saints were unable to play last night because of testing positive... yikes)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 28, 2021, 10:54:58 pm
1 in 50 Manhattan Residents Infected With COVID in the Last Week

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/1-in-50-manhattan-residents-infected-with-covid-in-the-last-week/3470148/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 29, 2021, 12:28:40 pm
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/28/1068417547/the-nations-capital-is-the-worst-place-for-covid-19-infections-right-now
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 29, 2021, 08:48:07 pm
Half a million new cases today?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 29, 2021, 08:49:41 pm
5 outta 6 over here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 29, 2021, 08:50:45 pm
Wow…be well…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 29, 2021, 09:07:49 pm
I'm the only one boosted, and the only one healthy!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 29, 2021, 09:35:02 pm
I don’t think that’s a coincidence


I want my next booster

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 29, 2021, 10:19:37 pm
I don’t think that’s a coincidence


I want my next booster
Go get it. Your name is “Chaz Jombi,” you’re homeless, have never gotten vaccinated, have no id or insurance and just wandered into this CVS today. You’ll have a fourth shot in five minutes.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 30, 2021, 12:07:44 am
I can’t believe Julian’s America recommends I pretend to be a filthy lying beggar…


But these are the wacky times we live in
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 30, 2021, 12:31:13 pm
I can’t believe Julian’s America recommends I pretend to be a filthy lying beggar…


But these are the wacky times we live in
I told you how to do it. Julian’s America didn’t RECOMMEND anything. If I acknowledge robbing a bank is possible, that’s not me telling you to rob a bank.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 30, 2021, 12:42:34 pm
So hutch, what happened? Did you have the vid? Allergic reaction to a xmas dish? Something else?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on December 30, 2021, 01:05:22 pm
I just found out that a friend (53) has had a relapse in his leukemia and has to start more chemo immediately.

I'm also in my 41st hour of a nasty stomach virus. Nobody else sick, thankfully. I guess the silver lining is I'll probably now hit my end of year weight loss goals.

No COVID here. I talked my wife out of voluntarily going into the office this week. Fingers crossed on boosters for 12-15 year olds. Wish they'd approve of it before school starts back up, but doesn't look like it's happening.

Hutch and Santa, hope you and your families are on the upswing with whatever you're dealing with.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 30, 2021, 01:41:47 pm
I can’t believe Julian’s America recommends I pretend to be a filthy lying beggar…


But these are the wacky times we live in
I told you how to do it. Julian’s America didn’t RECOMMEND anything. If I acknowledge robbing a bank is possible, that’s not me telling you to rob a bank.
So I will submit this as evidence if I'm caught that Julian's America was the reason I robbed the bank  #badlegaltakes
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on December 30, 2021, 01:44:30 pm
Hutch and Santa, hope you and your families are on the upswing with whatever you're dealing with.

Thanks. Mrs Claus and the elves are slowly recovering. Hope yours is going well too.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 30, 2021, 02:23:09 pm
Well on Xmas day I started to feel numb on right side and couldn’t form words so checked in to hospital

We all thought stroke


I spent two days at hospital being tested
MRI showed no sign of stroke

Blood found in brain… unclear why? I bumped my head accidentally? The boognish scraped the mucus off my brain?

Am on anti seizure meds

I feel fine now but a bit shaken …will go see a neurologist Jan 6 and also have another cat scan

The end


My posts may be more nonesense than usual from now on


Thanks
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 30, 2021, 02:31:27 pm
will go see a neurologist Jan 6
at the capitol?

Quote
My posts may be more nonesense than usual from now on
Not possible.


Be well my friend
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on December 30, 2021, 02:53:03 pm
Well on Xmas day I started to feel numb on right side and couldn’t form words so checked in to hospital

We all thought stroke


I spent two days at hospital being tested
MRI showed no sign of stroke

Blood found in brain… unclear why? I bumped my head accidentally? The boognish scraped the mucus off my brain?

Am on anti seizure meds

I feel fine now but a bit shaken …will go see a neurologist Jan 6 and also have another cat scan

The end


My posts may be more nonesense than usual from now on


Thanks

Wow man!! That's scary shit... hopefully all is fine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on December 30, 2021, 03:09:16 pm
Big ups for Virginia Hospital Center!   

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: GAY,GUY on December 30, 2021, 04:32:09 pm
As someone who has been on anti seizure medication for over 25 years, I wish you only the best!!!

Watch out for the strobes!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 04, 2022, 12:49:36 pm
COVID-19 2022?

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/new-covid-19-variant-named-ihu-discovered-in-france
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 04, 2022, 02:10:55 pm
Glad I don't have to go in an office, but this is absurd


The New York Times @nytimes
Green: OK to hug.
Yellow: Let’s do the elbow/fist bump.
Red: Let’s wave hello.

Employers who want workers to come back to their desks are trying to accommodate different degrees of Covid risk tolerance. Enter the humble wristband.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/business/office-covid-preference-wristband.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


I don't want to Hug any of my co-workers, I do mis the handshake
I think I'll confuse people if I wear my Jamaican Rastafari  wristband
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 04, 2022, 02:43:17 pm
Glad I don't have to go in an office, but this is absurd


The New York Times @nytimes
Green: OK to hug.
Yellow: Let’s do the elbow/fist bump.
Red: Let’s wave hello.

Employers who want workers to come back to their desks are trying to accommodate different degrees of Covid risk tolerance. Enter the humble wristband.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/business/office-covid-preference-wristband.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


I don't want to Hug any of my co-workers, I do mis the handshake
I think I'll confuse people if I wear my Jamaican Rastafari  wristband


loludicrous.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 04, 2022, 06:50:37 pm
Jimmy Fallon tested positive over the holidays (vaxxed and boosted), had mild symptoms.

Seth Meyers (vaxxed and boosted) tested positive today, cancels his show for the rest of the week.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on January 05, 2022, 12:09:18 am
Starsky- Best wishes. Only positive thoughts coming your way.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2022, 03:15:34 pm
never forget this bravery.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B95M4kNhbzz/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 06, 2022, 03:33:08 pm
I had heard about this when it came out, but never actually watched it. I was a little freaked out that when she came back at the end, it looked like she has instagram-filter puppy ears. I did a doubletake, then realized its just her ceiling fan.

#galgodotpuppyears
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 07, 2022, 04:53:32 pm
Cross posting to that thread with the German word I can’t spell

BREAKING: Two of the lawyers presenting arguments to the Supreme Court to block Biden's vaccine mandate have tested positive for COVID.

Because of course.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1479510600430415874?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2022, 05:08:29 pm
Jimmy Fallon tested positive over the holidays (vaxxed and boosted), had mild symptoms.

Seth Meyers (vaxxed and boosted) tested positive today, cancels his show for the rest of the week.
add James Corden to the list
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 07, 2022, 05:40:09 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/SLEimY1.jpeg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 07, 2022, 06:36:47 pm
^ sure as hell beats those who are addicted to the conspiracy narratives... "covid isn't real, it's just the flu"... "doctors are killing patients and covid is a cover-up"... "they're making up death numbers"... etc etc etc... in which they would have us do nothing and just let covid rip through society.  SAD!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 07, 2022, 06:40:07 pm
well I think they'd all be ghosts in the meeting
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 07, 2022, 11:32:35 pm
Well it is ripping through society and ain’t much we can do

850,000 new cases today (probably millions more uncounted)

This article makes some interesting points

https://m.arcamax.com/currentnews/newsheadlines/s-2617194

I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest that in a 30 day period starting around late December tens and tens of millions of Americans are going to have gotten and spread this virus and most will probably not even realize it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on January 08, 2022, 12:24:52 am
Welp, it finally got me. Thankfully vaxxed and boosted so it hasn’t been too bad, just been drinking lots of water and popping Tylenol.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 08, 2022, 10:09:24 am
Welp, it finally got me. Thankfully vaxxed and boosted so it hasn’t been too bad, just been drinking lots of water and popping Tylenol.

Stay well!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on January 08, 2022, 04:02:38 pm
for a second I thought you said pooping Tylenol which would be a new symptom than the ones I've heard.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2022, 09:08:27 am
I hope they make a movie about the people who think Viagra can cure COVID, and I hope they call it Die Hard
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 09, 2022, 03:05:45 pm
#DeltaCron
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 09, 2022, 07:29:14 pm
Sounds omi nous
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2022, 12:05:43 pm
AOC

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-partying-in-miami-maskless
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 10, 2022, 12:10:46 pm
I don’t get it. She was outdoors having a drink.

Has anyone said there is anything wrong with that?

Republicans are weird about AOC….she’s like their new Hillary or Pelosi
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 10, 2022, 12:16:37 pm


Has anyone said there is anything wrong with that?


Absolutely, but we've been down this road before. MoCo Libs still wear masks outdoors.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 10, 2022, 12:22:41 pm

Absolutely, but we've been down this road before. MoCo Libs still wear masks outdoors.

Speaking of which, MoCo Libraries are passing out 500K rapid tests, until supplies run out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 10, 2022, 12:26:48 pm

Absolutely, but we've been down this road before. MoCo Libs still wear masks outdoors.

Speaking of which, MoCo Libraries are passing out 500K rapid tests, until supplies run out.

Yeah... I considered grabbing some, but I'm also at the point where I'm done testing unless I'm falling over ill. We tested multiple times over the past month (even with potential) symptoms and everything has been negative.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2022, 12:36:57 pm
I don’t get it. She was outdoors having a drink.

Has anyone said there is anything wrong with that?

Republicans are weird about AOC….she’s like their new Hillary or Pelosi

I read the linked article, and when I read "in a bar," I assumed they meant indoors. But maybe not, I don't know, I wasn't there.


The positive coronavirus test comes shortly after the congresswoman was seen without a mask in a Miami bar, according to video that circulated on social media.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 10, 2022, 12:38:19 pm
There’s a picture and she is clearly outdoors.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 10, 2022, 12:41:48 pm
I don’t get it. She was outdoors having a drink.

Has anyone said there is anything wrong with that?

Republicans are weird about AOC….she’s like their new Hillary or Pelosi

I read the linked article, and when I read "in a bar," I assumed they meant indoors. But maybe not, I don't know, I wasn't there.


The positive coronavirus test comes shortly after the congresswoman was seen without a mask in a Miami bar, according to video that circulated on social media.



What do you mean? There is a picture of her enjoying a margarita outdoors. This is Miami Beach! And there is also video.


You really should pay attention to what you post. And saying I don’t know I wasn’t there when there is video and photography in the very article you link to seems disingenuous.

WTF dude get your shit together
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2022, 12:42:33 pm

Absolutely, but we've been down this road before. MoCo Libs still wear masks outdoors.

Speaking of which, MoCo Libraries are passing out 500K rapid tests, until supplies run out.

Yeah... I considered grabbing some, but I'm also at the point where I'm done testing unless I'm falling over ill. We tested multiple times over the past month (even with potential) symptoms and everything has been negative.

What are the expiration dates on those rapid tests? I mean, in general. I have no need for them now, but may when we travel abroad in July.

Knowing that the FDA and CDC were going to approve of boosters for my daughter's age range, I signed her up for a booster Friday afternoon. After takiing off work early and driving 20 minutes to a Giant, I was told their system wasn't ready and she couldn't have one.

So my wife found out about a Safeway that does walk-ins from 11-5, and took her there yesterday at 4:30. When she asked about it, she was told "Oh, that's only Tuesday through Saturday." She said they didn't look busy at all, but still wouldn't give her one.

So I'm signed up at the Government Center for attempt #3 tomorrow afternoon, after two days of possible exposure in school.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 10, 2022, 12:46:14 pm

Absolutely, but we've been down this road before. MoCo Libs still wear masks outdoors.

Speaking of which, MoCo Libraries are passing out 500K rapid tests, until supplies run out.

Yeah... I considered grabbing some, but I'm also at the point where I'm done testing unless I'm falling over ill. We tested multiple times over the past month (even with potential) symptoms and everything has been negative.

What are the expiration dates on those rapid tests? I mean, in general. I have no need for them now, but may when we travel abroad in July.
 

You would assume they have a long shelf life, however, based on all of the other stupid things going on... maybe they expire in a week.

Also, if you're going abroad, you'll probably need more than a rapid test from a store, so I'd suggest saving your $$$.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2022, 12:54:49 pm

Absolutely, but we've been down this road before. MoCo Libs still wear masks outdoors.

Speaking of which, MoCo Libraries are passing out 500K rapid tests, until supplies run out.

Yeah... I considered grabbing some, but I'm also at the point where I'm done testing unless I'm falling over ill. We tested multiple times over the past month (even with potential) symptoms and everything has been negative.

What are the expiration dates on those rapid tests? I mean, in general. I have no need for them now, but may when we travel abroad in July.
 

You would assume they have a long shelf life, however, based on all of the other stupid things going on... maybe they expire in a week.

Also, if you're going abroad, you'll probably need more than a rapid test from a store, so I'd suggest saving your $$$.

Thanks. I'm pretty sure they would be, but I have a few months to figure it out.

What sort of COVID-test is accepted, if a test needs to be done in Germany?
Both PCR tests and rapid antigen tests are accepted.

https://www.germany.info/us-en/covid-19/2321562
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on January 10, 2022, 01:09:10 pm
I've had good lucking buying BinaxNOW tests by checking Walmart periodically, they go in and out of stock throughout the day. They are FSA-eligible, too.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/BinaxNOW-COVID-19-Antigen-Self-Test-2-Count/142089281
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on January 10, 2022, 01:49:28 pm

Absolutely, but we've been down this road before. MoCo Libs still wear masks outdoors.

Speaking of which, MoCo Libraries are passing out 500K rapid tests, until supplies run out.

Yeah... I considered grabbing some, but I'm also at the point where I'm done testing unless I'm falling over ill. We tested multiple times over the past month (even with potential) symptoms and everything has been negative.

What are the expiration dates on those rapid tests? I mean, in general. I have no need for them now, but may when we travel abroad in July.
 

You would assume they have a long shelf life, however, based on all of the other stupid things going on... maybe they expire in a week.

Also, if you're going abroad, you'll probably need more than a rapid test from a store, so I'd suggest saving your $$$.

Thanks. I'm pretty sure they would be, but I have a few months to figure it out.

What sort of COVID-test is accepted, if a test needs to be done in Germany?
Both PCR tests and rapid antigen tests are accepted.

https://www.germany.info/us-en/covid-19/2321562

I listen to a podcast from Joe List, a comedian. He just went to Germany and had a bunch of issues with testing and use of his paper vax card, etc.  I would suggest checking in with the embassy/consulate in Germany with the latest when you are closer to going.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 10, 2022, 01:55:55 pm
I would suggest checking in with the embassy/consulate in Germany with the latest when you are closer to going.

^ this, especially the "just shortly before you leave" part.  regulations and requirements will change a million times between now and july, no use worrying about it now. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2022, 02:29:15 pm
I would suggest checking in with the embassy/consulate in Germany with the latest when you are closer to going.

^ this, especially the "just shortly before you leave" part.  regulations and requirements will change a million times between now and july, no use worrying about it now.

Thanks to you both for the advice. We're actually booked to fly to Germany, with plans to stay in Germany, Austria, and Italy travelling by car. When I booked everything I had a testing plan based on what it was at that time. Now it seems like things have gotten stricter and trickier. As well as the odds of actually testing positive going way up. But of course like you said, a million things could change. I'm tempted to just cancel it all (all refundable at this point) and book something else sticking with just North America.

At this point, I'm more afraid of the potential rules and regulations than I am of COVID itself.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 10, 2022, 02:34:21 pm
I would suggest checking in with the embassy/consulate in Germany with the latest when you are closer to going.

^ this, especially the "just shortly before you leave" part.  regulations and requirements will change a million times between now and july, no use worrying about it now.

Thanks to you both for the advice. We're actually booked to fly to Germany, with plans to stay in Germany, Austria, and Italy travelling by car. When I booked everything I had a testing plan based on what it was at that time. Now it seems like things have gotten stricter and trickier. As well as the odds of actually testing positive going way up. But of course like you said, a million things could change. I'm tempted to just cancel it all (all refundable at this point) and book something else sticking with just North America.

At this point, I'm more afraid of the potential rules and regulations than I am of COVID itself.

I'd cancel if I were you... cancelled a trip out of the country this week and will probably be cancelling another a month from now. The hurdles are just too much to deal with/risk.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on January 10, 2022, 02:38:19 pm
I would suggest checking in with the embassy/consulate in Germany with the latest when you are closer to going.

^ this, especially the "just shortly before you leave" part.  regulations and requirements will change a million times between now and july, no use worrying about it now.

Thanks to you both for the advice. We're actually booked to fly to Germany, with plans to stay in Germany, Austria, and Italy travelling by car. When I booked everything I had a testing plan based on what it was at that time. Now it seems like things have gotten stricter and trickier. As well as the odds of actually testing positive going way up. But of course like you said, a million things could change. I'm tempted to just cancel it all (all refundable at this point) and book something else sticking with just North America.

At this point, I'm more afraid of the potential rules and regulations than I am of COVID itself.

Defintely a challenging situation. I am defintely on team "cancel," particularly for a family trip, if it was just one adult going and seeing what happens, that sounds more manageable and less costly.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2022, 02:43:33 pm
I would suggest checking in with the embassy/consulate in Germany with the latest when you are closer to going.

^ this, especially the "just shortly before you leave" part.  regulations and requirements will change a million times between now and july, no use worrying about it now.

Thanks to you both for the advice. We're actually booked to fly to Germany, with plans to stay in Germany, Austria, and Italy travelling by car. When I booked everything I had a testing plan based on what it was at that time. Now it seems like things have gotten stricter and trickier. As well as the odds of actually testing positive going way up. But of course like you said, a million things could change. I'm tempted to just cancel it all (all refundable at this point) and book something else sticking with just North America.

At this point, I'm more afraid of the potential rules and regulations than I am of COVID itself.

I'd cancel if I were you... cancelled a trip out of the country this week and will probably be cancelling another a month from now. The hurdles are just too much to deal with/risk.

If I had to decide today, I would probably cancel. But the tickets are award miles and can be redeposited any any time up to 30 days before. And the airbnb's and car rentals are all fully refundable until sometime in June. So no real reason not to wait a while. At least until the time when i feel I need to pull the trigger on booking an alternative domestic vacation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 10, 2022, 02:44:37 pm
I would suggest checking in with the embassy/consulate in Germany with the latest when you are closer to going.

^ this, especially the "just shortly before you leave" part.  regulations and requirements will change a million times between now and july, no use worrying about it now.

Thanks to you both for the advice. We're actually booked to fly to Germany, with plans to stay in Germany, Austria, and Italy travelling by car. When I booked everything I had a testing plan based on what it was at that time. Now it seems like things have gotten stricter and trickier. As well as the odds of actually testing positive going way up. But of course like you said, a million things could change. I'm tempted to just cancel it all (all refundable at this point) and book something else sticking with just North America.

At this point, I'm more afraid of the potential rules and regulations than I am of COVID itself.

I'd cancel if I were you... cancelled a trip out of the country this week and will probably be cancelling another a month from now. The hurdles are just too much to deal with/risk.

If I had to decide today, I would probably cancel. But the tickets are award miles and can be redeposited any any time up to 30 days before. And the airbnb's and car rentals are all fully refundable until sometime in June. So no real reason not to wait a while. At least until the time when i feel I need to pull the trigger on booking an alternative domestic vacation.

I retract my previous statement. Ride it out Space!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 10, 2022, 03:12:41 pm
When I heard this report from Cyprus about Deltacron I also was skeptical

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/deltacron-variant-prompts-doubts-among-experts-as-possible-lab-error.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on January 10, 2022, 04:49:07 pm
Feeling much better after a mild case. Vaccines work!

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/QC7UQbxq89MnL9r6AN/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2022, 05:16:06 pm
Feeling much better after a mild case. Vaccines work!

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/QC7UQbxq89MnL9r6AN/giphy.gif)

Excellent news!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 10, 2022, 05:53:09 pm
Feeling much better after a mild case. Vaccines work!


Excellent news!
wait so vinegar baths and viagra aren't a substitute for a vax?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on January 10, 2022, 06:38:28 pm
Joe Rogan told me horse paste and urine therapy would fix me but I had second thoughts
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 10, 2022, 07:37:46 pm
You done good! Glad you are better
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 10, 2022, 08:11:05 pm
Also tested positive for COVID this weekend. Fairly mild symptoms so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2022, 08:31:46 pm
JFC will someone please tell my wife and daughter that now is not the right time to join a gym?

*We just spent 300 bucks on a rowing machine to go with our stationary bike, three bicycles, running shoes, hiking boots, and free weights that have served one of us very well for going on two years.

** My wife hasn't had a gym membership in nearly 20 years and my kid had never been to a gym.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 10, 2022, 10:37:44 pm
Also tested positive for COVID this weekend. Fairly mild symptoms so far.

Flags have been lowered in DC…

Hope you get better quick
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 10, 2022, 11:26:43 pm
Also tested positive for COVID this weekend. Fairly mild symptoms so far.
I was wondering why the sudden drop in the LVMH stock price was about, now I know why

Here is my advice, drink lot of pee and take a warm vinegar bath.  Be sure to crush up some hydroxychloroquine and cut it with a little viagra, all you need is a few bumps.
Then take some combos, get all the “cheese” out and fill with ivermectin, eat four.  Lastly one 60watt cylindrical bulb ( real filament, none of that hippie LED shit) and shove it straight up your rectum.

Be well, get lots of liquids and rest
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 11, 2022, 08:54:53 am
So do you drink your pee to prevent covid or cure it?  My research on the subject has left me with questions…

Let’s see what noted expert Brent Terhune says on the matter

https://twitter.com/brentterhune/status/1480665989457104899?s=21
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 11, 2022, 11:55:35 am
Also tested positive for COVID this weekend. Fairly mild symptoms so far.

Flags have been lowered in DC…

Hope you get better quick
Honestly, I feel like 90% better on day 3. Not sure if I just got a mild case or (more likely) the vaccines and booster work as intended but it was nowhere as bad as a standard flu, for me a non-smoker in my 30s. Had I not had two positive tests from different brands, I kinda would've thought it was a false positive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: challenged on January 11, 2022, 12:01:50 pm
Jason Isbell, has got the covid. cancelling shows.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 11, 2022, 01:58:19 pm
So my friend (former college roommate, lives in NYC) mentioned in a hi how are you doing type of email that he had recently had COVID. His wife had also mentioned it publically on FB (that she had it.)

Is it rude for me to ask how he thinks he might have gotten it in a return email? Does it depend on the level of friendship?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 11, 2022, 02:01:05 pm
So my friend (former college roommate, lives in NYC) mentioned in a hi how are you doing type of email that he had recently had COVID. His wife had also mentioned it publically on FB (that she had it.)

Is it rude for me to ask how he thinks he might have gotten it in a return email? Does it depend on the level of friendship?
All in the execution. "Dude, that sucks! Any idea how you got it?" is probably fine. Asking pointed questions about their mask wearing, distancing in groups, or grilling them on their holiday itinerary is likely going to get taken another way.

Why would you care though?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 11, 2022, 02:08:59 pm
So my friend (former college roommate, lives in NYC) mentioned in a hi how are you doing type of email that he had recently had COVID. His wife had also mentioned it publically on FB (that she had it.)

Is it rude for me to ask how he thinks he might have gotten it in a return email? Does it depend on the level of friendship?

I would say if he emails you on the basis of, "hi, how are you" it would be perfectly acceptable to ask how he contracted covid. Weird question. And does it really matter how he contracted it? Maybe he doesn't know?

Is this the family you all had a great NYC trip with last year if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 11, 2022, 02:47:57 pm
Yeah, I mean at this point, nobody can really tell where they got it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 11, 2022, 03:02:18 pm
It’s everywhere


I read predictions that 40% of Americans will get it this wave

We have to be averaging at least 3 million daily right now

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 11, 2022, 03:07:49 pm
So my friend (former college roommate, lives in NYC) mentioned in a hi how are you doing type of email that he had recently had COVID. His wife had also mentioned it publically on FB (that she had it.)

Is it rude for me to ask how he thinks he might have gotten it in a return email? Does it depend on the level of friendship?

I would say if he emails you on the basis of, "hi, how are you" it would be perfectly acceptable to ask how he contracted covid. Weird question. And does it really matter how he contracted it? Maybe he doesn't know?

Is this the family you all had a great NYC trip with last year if I remember correctly.

I would be asking more in a making conversation way, rather than actually caring where they got it from. They're a 50something married couple with no kids who probably take more risks than we do (e.g. riding the subway, going to the gym, indoor dining, more live entertainment than us), though I dont' judge them for it...we all have our levels of how we behave.

And if I talked about hanging with some friends in NYC the past year, yes, they were among the friends.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 11, 2022, 03:09:44 pm
Here's how they got it:

riding the subway
going to the gym
indoor dining
live entertainment
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 11, 2022, 03:22:39 pm
Here's how they got it:

riding the subway
going to the gym
indoor dining
live entertainment

Close socializing for more than a few minutes
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 11, 2022, 03:24:25 pm
Here's how they got it:

riding the subway
going to the gym
indoor dining
live entertainment

Close socializing for more than a few minutes

Going to breweries and grocery stores
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 11, 2022, 03:25:00 pm
I should say "socializing closely". Read as the verb, "close" sounds like a demand.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 11, 2022, 03:26:50 pm
so glory holes are still safe then?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 11, 2022, 03:29:12 pm
So my friend (former college roommate, lives in NYC) mentioned in a hi how are you doing type of email that he had recently had COVID. His wife had also mentioned it publically on FB (that she had it.)

Is it rude for me to ask how he thinks he might have gotten it in a return email? Does it depend on the level of friendship?

I would say if he emails you on the basis of, "hi, how are you" it would be perfectly acceptable to ask how he contracted covid. Weird question. And does it really matter how he contracted it? Maybe he doesn't know?

Is this the family you all had a great NYC trip with last year if I remember correctly.

I would be asking more in a making conversation way, rather than actually caring where they got it from. They're a 50something married couple with no kids who probably take more risks than we do (e.g. riding the subway, going to the gym, indoor dining, more live entertainment than us), though I dont' judge them for it...we all have our levels of how we behave.

And if I talked about hanging with some friends in NYC the past year, yes, they were among the friends.

If I remember the vacation recap approporiately, they were giant pains in the ass from your POV.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 11, 2022, 04:07:32 pm
So my friend (former college roommate, lives in NYC) mentioned in a hi how are you doing type of email that he had recently had COVID. His wife had also mentioned it publically on FB (that she had it.)

Is it rude for me to ask how he thinks he might have gotten it in a return email? Does it depend on the level of friendship?

I would say if he emails you on the basis of, "hi, how are you" it would be perfectly acceptable to ask how he contracted covid. Weird question. And does it really matter how he contracted it? Maybe he doesn't know?

Is this the family you all had a great NYC trip with last year if I remember correctly.

I would be asking more in a making conversation way, rather than actually caring where they got it from. They're a 50something married couple with no kids who probably take more risks than we do (e.g. riding the subway, going to the gym, indoor dining, more live entertainment than us), though I dont' judge them for it...we all have our levels of how we behave.

And if I talked about hanging with some friends in NYC the past year, yes, they were among the friends.

If I remember the vacation recap approporiately, they were giant pains in the ass from your POV.

oh wait, different Nyc trip. Those were actually international friends that were temporarily staying in nyc. and we were thr more "careless" family
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 11, 2022, 04:12:55 pm
so glory holes are still safe then?

if you practice safe sex (condom), then you should be fine!  you might be safe without a rubber, as transmission of sexual fluids isn't a known vector of infection, however low levels of the virus have been detected in recovering patient's semen - unclear if there were sufficient cells to cause infection, but why risk it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 11, 2022, 05:30:14 pm
so glory holes are still safe then?

if you practice safe sex (condom), then you should be fine!  you might be safe without a rubber, as transmission of sexual fluids isn't a known vector of infection, however low levels of the virus have been detected in recovering patient's semen - unclear if there were sufficient cells to cause infection, but why risk it?
"What if she's a squirter and it happens during cunnilingus or analingus?" - Relaxer, probably
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 11, 2022, 06:23:12 pm
- Relaxer, probably
definitely
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 11, 2022, 06:24:18 pm
so glory holes are still safe then?

if you practice safe sex (condom), then you should be fine!  you might be safe without a rubber, as transmission of sexual fluids isn't a known vector of infection, however low levels of the virus have been detected in recovering patient's semen - unclear if there were sufficient cells to cause infection, but why risk it?
seems you made some assumptions of which side of the hole I would be on ;p
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 11, 2022, 06:52:34 pm
so glory holes are still safe then?

if you practice safe sex (condom), then you should be fine!  you might be safe without a rubber, as transmission of sexual fluids isn't a known vector of infection, however low levels of the virus have been detected in recovering patient's semen - unclear if there were sufficient cells to cause infection, but why risk it?
seems you made some assumptions of which side of the hole I would be on ;p

an alternate interpretation is that i assumed that not infecting whoever is on the other side was a concern of yours along with not getting infected yourself... in this light, the above holds.  my actual assumption is that everyone walk away un-rona'ed. 

but if you're the one being serviced, and you don't give an eff about the other person then, yeah, whatever i guess...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 12, 2022, 03:04:34 pm
Took my daughter to get booster yesterday.

She woke up with some side effects by like a trooper she said she'd go in for at least the first two classes, science and math. And we agreed she'd go to health office and ask to come home after that (last two classes of day are a bit less academic.)

So I pick her up, and they hand me a form saying she'll need a negative COVID test to get back into school, a doctor's notice, or will have to isolate at home for 10 days.

Found some tests at the third store we stopped at. Negative, of course.

Should have just stayed home the whole day...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 12, 2022, 03:18:39 pm
Well first of all I would like to hear Space’s daughter’s point of view ..get her an account! I mean since Space is sharing stuff about her here every day…maybe she can also explain her crazy Bob Saget comment (“Pervert…good riddance “)

Second of all, and more importantly as I have kids too…damn Space I was under the impression students could just pick whatever classes they attend so this is an eye opener
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2022, 03:35:43 pm
Second of all, and more importantly as I have kids too…damn Space I was under the impression students could just pick whatever classes they attend so this is an eye opener
depends on how much a delinquent your kids are, they seem to be 'by the rules' kinda kids.  My oldest has made an art of skipping class and getting bathroom passes
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 12, 2022, 03:39:15 pm
Smoke up and stay covid free!
Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants (https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jnatprod.1c00946)
(https://pubs.acs.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/achs/journals/content/jnprdf/0/jnprdf.ahead-of-print/acs.jnatprod.1c00946/20220110/images/medium/np1c00946_0005.gif)

also
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/01/11/study-finds-cannabis-compounds-prevent-infection-by-covid-19-virus/?sh=27bf3aa21753
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 12, 2022, 04:11:04 pm
Smoke up and stay covid free!
Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants (https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jnatprod.1c00946)
(https://pubs.acs.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/achs/journals/content/jnprdf/0/jnprdf.ahead-of-print/acs.jnatprod.1c00946/20220110/images/medium/np1c00946_0005.gif)

also
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/01/11/study-finds-cannabis-compounds-prevent-infection-by-covid-19-virus/?sh=27bf3aa21753

It's all fun and games until you're so high and paranoid that you think you have covid!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 13, 2022, 02:15:22 am
not that this would work here, but: One day after the Canadian province of Quebec announced it would financially penalize residents who are unvaccinated, the province's health minister said Wednesday first-time appointments spiked in the hours following the announcement. (https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/12/americas/quebec-vaccine-mandate-intl/index.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 13, 2022, 09:52:55 am
Glenn Beck Says He Has COVID Again and It’s Hit His Lungs, but He’s Taking Ivermectin

https://www.thedailybeast.com/glenn-beck-says-he-has-covid-again-and-its-hit-his-lungs-but-hes-taking-ivermectin

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 13, 2022, 10:28:43 am



am so so over these “such ‘conservative’ got covid” posts

Is Glenn Beck interesting? Why should I care?

Why do people keep posting this shit? Is it like they get a vicarious sense of justice or retribution from it?




Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 13, 2022, 10:41:22 am
I don't have answers to your questions, but sounds like COVID has gone to Glenn's brain. The interesting thing is, and this maybe addresses your question, is that many people believe this nonsense.


Glenn Beck warns the West will go away by 2030 in an interview with Tucker Carlson on Tuesday.


GLENN BECK: This is the most important topic of my career, and I think this is the most important topic in the world today.

The Great Reset is not a conspiracy theory, it is something that the Davos people have put together along with the World Economic Forum, and it is running rampant through every Western capital and every Western country. It is, I just read this, tomorrow morning at 9:30 A.M., the Washington state COVID detainment emergency, they are going to have a state board of health discussing from 9:30 to 3:30 tomorrow, 'allowing local health officers to use law enforcement to force an emergency order in involuntarily detaining a person or group of persons, families to be isolated in a quarantine facility following their refusal to comply with request medical examinations, treatment, counseling, and vaccination.'

This is an internment camp. Washington state has done it before, they haven't obviously learned their lesson from World War II. This again is all about total and complete control. I was wrong. For a long time, I thought this was about socialism. It is not. It is a brand of fascism. In socialism and communism, the state and the people own everything, that's not what's coming. If you want to understand why our corporations are saying that they have to have these teach white people how bad they are, why they're condemning the United States, but not China because China is the new global model, and all of it is in here with 50 pages of fine print footnotes.

Do not go online and just search unless it's an original source because there is a lot of bad information out. This must get out to every person I believe in the Western world. This is not an American problem, this is the entire West going away by 2030, and I think the next, they just war-gamed -- the World Economic Forum just war-gamed that next economic collapse. I think that's coming in the next couple of years, I could be wrong, I usually am on timing, but when that happens, it is lights out. It is over. They will control your food, your water, your work, your education, your banking, your money, gasoline. France is just now paying a rate increase for their electricity of 45 percent because of the Great Reset. They are shutting down their nuclear power plants, and it's going to cost 45% increase in energy.

They are going to bankrupt the entire West and only the elites are going to be able to have money, the food they want, the jobs they want, et cetera, et cetera. We will be left in the dust. We must educate ourselves right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on January 13, 2022, 10:48:16 am
Fox News and their ilk will be the death of us all. The fact that Fauci needs a security detail and receives death threats just points to the stupidity of half this country... people lashing out at an octogenarian civil servant who isn't even a policymaker.

Meanwhile my wife tested positive but is asymptomatic because of course she is (she never gets sick). Meanwhile I'm still dealing with this fatigue that wears off by midday that's just an annoyance.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 13, 2022, 01:29:07 pm
the Washington state COVID detainment emergency, they are going to have a state board of health discussing from 9:30 to 3:30 tomorrow, 'allowing local health officers to use law enforcement to force an emergency order in involuntarily detaining a person or group of persons, families to be isolated in a quarantine facility following their refusal to comply with request medical examinations, treatment, counseling, and vaccination.'

This is an internment camp. Washington state has done it before

shiiiiiiiiiit... welp, it's been nice knowing y'all.  wish me luck.  please send cake.

Do not go online and just search unless it's an original source because there is a lot of bad information out.

uh huh. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2022, 01:51:30 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FI-520zXsAgz9Te?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2022, 01:54:03 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FI-520zXsAgz9Te?format=jpg&name=large)
Can confirm.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 13, 2022, 02:54:28 pm
but bigger testicles , so it evens out
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2022, 09:30:58 pm
because we really needed a middle aged white dude rapping a song about vaccination
https://twitter.com/BradfordPearson/status/1481293800437960710?s=20
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on January 13, 2022, 11:33:01 pm

shiiiiiiiiiit... welp, it's been nice knowing y'all.  wish me luck.  please send cake.

Shit.  Was totally drunk and misread that.  If I could get that coke I sent you back I’d appreciate it - need it for the the Betty White/ Bob Saget fuck party.  And please apologize to the Mrs for me - she’s seen me drunk and will understand.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 14, 2022, 01:37:54 pm

shiiiiiiiiiit... welp, it's been nice knowing y'all.  wish me luck.  please send cake.

Shit.  Was totally drunk and misread that.  If I could get that coke I sent you back I’d appreciate it - need it for the the Betty White/ Bob Saget fuck party.  And please apologize to the Mrs for me - she’s seen me drunk and will understand.

thanks, this is the kind of guffaw i want to start every day with ;D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 14, 2022, 01:58:18 pm
t - need it for the the Betty White/ Bob Saget fuck party.
is this some sort of weird role play thing?
are you betty in this scenario
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 17, 2022, 06:33:45 pm
Is this saying what I think it’s saying?

https://twitter.com/fibke/status/1483036761110548482?s=20


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 17, 2022, 06:45:37 pm
Is this saying what I think it’s saying?

https://twitter.com/fibke/status/1483036761110548482?s=20




We're winning?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 18, 2022, 03:33:08 am
Is this saying what I think it’s saying?

https://twitter.com/fibke/status/1483036761110548482?s=20




We're winning?

that is indeed how 45 would interpret it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 18, 2022, 01:00:54 pm
Good Christian father tweeter busy carrying on about Carhatt still having a mandatory vaccine mandate for their employees, despite SCOTUS ruling..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 18, 2022, 01:39:54 pm
Food for thought

https://unherd.com/thepost/israeli-vaccine-chief-we-have-made-mistakes/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on January 18, 2022, 01:46:06 pm
Just FYI.  The Biden web site for free Covid tests is live now.  Just got a shipping confirmation

https://www.covidtests.gov/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 18, 2022, 01:47:24 pm
just orderd one from usps
4 free tests

https://special.usps.com/testkits


I'll say it again...this should have been done spring 2020...but I guess better late than never.  Just wonder what the impact would have been on those 800k + that already died if we did this earlier
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 18, 2022, 04:04:28 pm
this should have been done spring 2020...but I guess better late than never.

we had neither the technology nor the production capacity in spring 2020 to do this.  but yes, ideally, theoretically, it would have been best if we could have done this earlier on in the pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 18, 2022, 04:09:17 pm
Food for thought

https://unherd.com/thepost/israeli-vaccine-chief-we-have-made-mistakes/ (https://unherd.com/thepost/israeli-vaccine-chief-we-have-made-mistakes/)

"The Green Pass / vaccine passport concept is no longer relevant in the Omicron era and should be phased out (he expects it to be in short order in Israel)"

i dunno, if i was a business i would be nervous about opening my doors to the unvaxxed... what if i'm a club owner and someone sues me because they got covid at one of my shows?  i wouldn't want that person to be unvaxxed, given the increased likelihood of negative outcomes. 

i'm also generally in favor of making like difficult for the unvaxxed.  you can take up space in concerts and restaurants, or you can take up space in our hospitals - not both.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 18, 2022, 04:10:51 pm
More people have died from covid under Biden than Trump. About 450,000 vs 430,000.

Abysmal failure. There is no getting around it.


Caveat: not getting into excess death count. If I did I would guess more have died under Trump
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 18, 2022, 04:14:07 pm
More people have died from covid under Biden than Trump. About 450,000 vs 430,000.

Abysmal failure. There is no getting around it.


Caveat: not getting into excess death count. If I did I would guess more have died under Trump

That's a ridiculous measure, unless you're trying to make COVID a political issue.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 18, 2022, 04:23:38 pm
Food for thought

https://unherd.com/thepost/israeli-vaccine-chief-we-have-made-mistakes/ (https://unherd.com/thepost/israeli-vaccine-chief-we-have-made-mistakes/)

"The Green Pass / vaccine passport concept is no longer relevant in the Omicron era and should be phased out (he expects it to be in short order in Israel)"

i dunno, if i was a business i would be nervous about opening my doors to the unvaxxed... what if i'm a club owner and someone sues me because they got covid at one of my shows?  i wouldn't want that person to be unvaxxed, given the increased likelihood of negative outcomes. 

i'm also generally in favor of making like difficult for the unvaxxed.  you can take up space in concerts and restaurants, or you can take up space in our hospitals - not both.

I think the point is with Omicron, being vaccinated no longer effectively prevents you from getting it. So now what's the point of a vaccine passport?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 18, 2022, 04:25:15 pm
No it’s not ridiculous. And Biden had the vaccines.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 18, 2022, 04:37:48 pm
How is this Biden’s fault?  He wasn’t the one that politicized getting the vaccine.  A year into his presidency and you have people protesting and getting arrested at Olive Gardens over vaccine requirements.  People losing their shit over a clothing company’s mandate for its employees to be vaccinated or face testing.  Look to Faux News, MTG, etc etc etc
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 18, 2022, 04:56:20 pm
No it’s not ridiculous. And Biden had the vaccines.



You could have framed this as pre-2021 vs. post 2021. Pre-vaccine vs Post-vaccine. But you framed it Biden vs. Trump. It's not Biden's job to convince antivaxxers to get vaxxed. Horse to water etc.

And yes, what Kosmo said.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 18, 2022, 05:42:34 pm
It’s not about fault although one could debate that..

The buck stops with the president

It doesn’t matter if he is a democrat or Republican

The fact remains more people died - according to the official count- under President Biden than Trump.


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 18, 2022, 05:57:27 pm
It’s not about fault although one could debate that..

The buck stops with the president

It doesn’t matter if he is a democrat or Republican

The fact remains more people died - according to the official count- under President Biden than Trump.

At this point it's 12 months of deaths for Biden vs. 10 months for Trump. And with deaths lagging cases, some of the deaths on Biden's watch were cases from Trump's watch.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on January 18, 2022, 06:03:48 pm

I think the point is with Omicron, being vaccinated no longer effectively prevents you from getting it. So now what's the point of a vaccine passport?

I mean the vaccine's primary job is to prevent you from going into the hospital. And I'm fine with vaccine passports, reward those who actually did the right thing and not the morons who avoided getting jabbed which resulted in all these mutations/variants/deaths.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 18, 2022, 06:11:54 pm
If we believe an overwhelming amount of the excess death count is due to covid then we are looking at over 1.1 million Americans have died from covid.

It’s really unbelievable.

It means about 1 in 300 Americans have died from covid.

To put that in perspective it’s like going to a sold out show at the 930 and 3 or 4 people are gone.

I find it staggering…

We are getting into numbers approaching the so called Spanish flu… the big difference is in that case it seemed to kill primarily young men while in this case it seems to affect most the elderly

The point I was making isn’t that Biden has been worse than Trump….just that the response under Biden has sucked ass… 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 18, 2022, 06:25:28 pm
So Biden is responsible for the non actions taking place in the red states?  He tried to mandate vaccines in large companies and for federal contractors  but they got struck down by the courts.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 18, 2022, 06:38:00 pm
There have been plenty of people dying everywhere


But at the end of the day the president is the president.

Half a million people dying in his presidency from covid can’t be ignored. And what happens when god forbid it’s many more… At what point does he bear any responsibility?

They were supposed to get this under control and it hasn’t happened.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 18, 2022, 06:40:53 pm
The majority of the people testing positive, in the hospital or dead are Republicans taking Trumps advice. The majority of vaxxed and boosted are Democrats.  Explain to me how thats Biden's fault.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 18, 2022, 06:41:57 pm
Biden has no influence over the people who are still listening to Trump.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 18, 2022, 06:44:23 pm
The majority of the people testing positive, in the hospital or dead are Republicans taking Trumps advice. The majority of vaxxed and boosted are Democrats.  Explain to me how thats Biden's fault.

Trump himself is vaxxed and boosted. He's not telling anyone they shouldn't get vaccinated.

In fact, he sounds very pro-vaccine.

DONALD TRUMP
Trump calls politicians who refuse to say they received Covid boosters 'gutless'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-politicians-who-refuse-say-they-received-covid-boosters-n1287342
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on January 18, 2022, 06:56:32 pm

Trump himself is vaxxed and boosted. He's not telling anyone they shouldn't get vaccinated.

In fact, he sounds very pro-vaccine.

DONALD TRUMP
Trump calls politicians who refuse to say they received Covid boosters 'gutless'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-politicians-who-refuse-say-they-received-covid-boosters-n1287342

Trump was NEVER out there promoting the vaccine, come on. He got the vaccine in secret and never wanted it publicized. This is well-known stuff.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-got-covid-vaccine-january-1135185/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 18, 2022, 07:56:03 pm

Trump himself is vaxxed and boosted. He's not telling anyone they shouldn't get vaccinated.

In fact, he sounds very pro-vaccine.

DONALD TRUMP
Trump calls politicians who refuse to say they received Covid boosters 'gutless'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-politicians-who-refuse-say-they-received-covid-boosters-n1287342

Trump was NEVER out there promoting the vaccine, come on. He got the vaccine in secret and never wanted it publicized. This is well-known stuff.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-got-covid-vaccine-january-1135185/

My point was that the people who aren't getting vaccinated aren't making that choice because of what Trump is saying, or not saying.

Trump can be blamed for a lot of things, but I'm not blaming this one on him. There are plenty of politicians, preachers, and radio hosts out there preaching against the vaccine, that people are listening to. I don't think Trump ever did that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 18, 2022, 08:01:11 pm
Trump himself is vaxxed and boosted. He's not telling anyone they shouldn't get vaccinated.

In fact, he sounds very pro-vaccine.

this is indeed a welcome development.  over the past few months he's realized it is politically beneficial for him to claim credit for the vaccine's development, but it's pointless to claim credit for something (his) people don't want so he's belatedly starting pimping it... kinda.  every time i've seen him encourage folks to get the shot, he does so very lightly: "get the shot - if you want, but of course you have your freedoms so do whatever you please."  pretty weak.

DONALD TRUMP
Trump calls politicians who refuse to say they received Covid boosters 'gutless'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-politicians-who-refuse-say-they-received-covid-boosters-n1287342 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-politicians-who-refuse-say-they-received-covid-boosters-n1287342)

again, pure politics: that "gutless" comment was an attack on de santis.  moments before this statement, de santis refused to confirm if he was boosted at a press conference.  there has been rising tension between trump and his once-protege, there is talk of some GOP'ers turning from trump to DS.  trump-the-brawler needed to get a shot in, portray DS as "weak", so he grabbed the first convenient kudgel that was handed to him.

in both cases, it's pure politics.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 18, 2022, 08:01:47 pm

Re: space

Which, right or wrong, takes Biden out of the equation.  He's trying to do the right thing, but he doesn't hold sway.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 18, 2022, 08:05:52 pm
People don’t seem to get Trump: The Actual Person and Trump: The Idea To Others are not 100% identical.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 18, 2022, 09:26:50 pm
Biden has no influence over the people who are still listening to Trump.
can confirm
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 19, 2022, 01:28:48 am
Biden has no influence over the people who are still listening to Trump.
can confirm

i'd say that biden has tremendous influence over trump's acolytes: whatever biden says, trumpers will instinctively do the opposite.  hence the current low vax rates among them, they're "sticking it to joe".

since biden has just about maxed out the number of vaccinations he can get on the left, he should switch tact and start denigrating vaccines, telling everyone that they shouldn't get them, that's they're a waste... that might drive the trumptards to the get the shot.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 19, 2022, 08:05:21 am
Biden has no influence over the people who are still listening to Trump.
can confirm

i'd say that biden has tremendous influence over trump's acolytes: whatever biden says, trumpers will instinctively do the opposite.  hence the current low vax rates among them, they're "sticking it to joe".

since biden has just about maxed out the number of vaccinations he can get on the left, he should switch tact and start denigrating vaccines, telling everyone that they shouldn't get them, that's they're a waste... that might drive the trumptards to the get the shot.
Do those tactics work with 4 year olds?
I recall when I would say “you better not Clean the playroom “I  always got the same results
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 19, 2022, 09:44:51 am
Biden has no influence over the people who are still listening to Trump.
can confirm

i'd say that biden has tremendous influence over trump's acolytes: whatever biden says, trumpers will instinctively do the opposite.  hence the current low vax rates among them, they're "sticking it to joe".

since biden has just about maxed out the number of vaccinations he can get on the left, he should switch tact and start denigrating vaccines, telling everyone that they shouldn't get them, that's they're a waste... that might drive the trumptards to the get the shot.

I think the Trumptard response would more likely be, "Hey you hypocritial senile dumbass, told you we were right. Glad you finally came around to our way of thinking."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 19, 2022, 11:05:19 am
Masking showdown coming in VA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/01/18/virginia-schools-youngkin-masks/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 19, 2022, 01:22:55 pm
I think the Trumptard response would more likely be, "Hey you hypocritial senile dumbass, told you we were right. Glad you finally came around to our way of thinking."

ugh, you're unfortunately probably right.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 19, 2022, 06:56:18 pm
"The irony of antivaxers saying they don't want to be part of an experiment without realizing they are now the control group."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 21, 2022, 12:23:55 am
This is my line of thinking these days…

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-12/time-for-new-covid-omicron-rules-not-self-isolating-wfh-mandates-mass-testing?utm_medium=cpc_social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=BLOM_ENG_OFFEDIT_COUSA_TW_SO_WTRF_BROADPROSX_KEYCO_00XXXXCPC_2PTW_XXXX_BUSFINLUXREAD_X1854_COUSA_XXXEN_TWITOA_VIRU_C2_EN_PG_NFLINKS&twclid=11484379339126820868


The only thing that gives me slight pause are the large numbers of people dying daily….2700 today… yes it’s weaker but it’s much more contagious so overall we are reaching numbers for daily deaths similar to delta peak

We can’t sustain these numbers of dead for another year…..at the same time we can’t shut down again.. I don’t want to debate whether we shut down in 2020 or not…I think we virtually did..

Let’s hope future variants are even weaker and less contagious

We need a lucky break to get out of this jam
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 21, 2022, 09:11:39 am
We can’t sustain these numbers of dead for another year…..
I mean, sure we can. We have 350million people. We won't run out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 21, 2022, 09:18:26 am
We can’t sustain these numbers of dead for another year…..
I mean, sure we can. We have 349 million people. We won't run out.

FTFY
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 21, 2022, 09:39:20 am
We can’t sustain these numbers of dead for another year…..
I mean, sure we can. We have 350million people. We won't run out.

Besides the fact that half a million more lives lost would be inmeasurably painful to those people, their families and friends I don’t think the Republic could withstand it

Another half million dead and I think Biden is done and we will be welcoming King Trumpus the First.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 21, 2022, 10:00:50 am
We can’t sustain these numbers of dead for another year…..
I mean, sure we can. We have 350million people. We won't run out.

When I Google US population, I get the number below. So we've actually lost more than 18 milllion. At that rate, we're extinct in less than 19 years. So take soloace that King Trumpus will have a relatively short reign, assuming he's the last to go.

Total U.S. population as of Dec. 1, 2021 was estimated at 331,893,745, making it the third most populated country in the world behind China (1.449 billion), India (1.380 billion), and ahead of Indonesia (274 million) and Pakistan (221 million).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 21, 2022, 05:16:06 pm

Public school officials in Page County, Virginia say they’ve increased security at school today, & will on Monday, after Amelia King told the school board, last night, “no mask mandate” then threatened: “I will bring every single gun loaded & ready to…I’ll see y’all on Monday.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1484579532128407553
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 21, 2022, 06:23:52 pm
instead of the no-fly list, she should go on the no-parent list

wtf, I'm going to show up with guns at the school because you are making kids wear masks!

just read:her and her husband own a gun shop...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 21, 2022, 10:48:38 pm
White privileged on display…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 22, 2022, 06:55:18 pm

Public school officials in Page County, Virginia say they’ve increased security at school today, & will on Monday, after Amelia King told the school board, last night, “no mask mandate” then threatened: “I will bring every single gun loaded & ready to…I’ll see y’all on Monday.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1484579532128407553

Mom charged for saying she’ll ‘bring every single gun loaded’ over school’s mask rule (https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/01/virginia-mom-says-shell-bring-loaded-guns-over-schools-mask-mandate/)

Fuck.Yeah.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 23, 2022, 12:06:48 pm
sadly I see: Amelia King 2022
running for office VA on the guns for everyone ticket
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 24, 2022, 01:22:38 pm
I keep getting messages that multiple kids in my kids classes have tested positive for covid… like every school day…


Which brings me to my next point: I don’t think people are taking covid seriously anymore…there’s an increasing lack of belief in what the public health authorities are saying and a feeling that everyone is going to get it- multiple times probably- and it’s not that bad so why worry
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 24, 2022, 01:24:45 pm
And I just got another one…so multiple messages from the same principal within minutes

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 24, 2022, 01:47:59 pm
Which brings me to my next point: I don’t think people are taking covid seriously anymore… and a feeling that everyone is going to get it- multiple times probably- and it’s not that bad so why worry
I mean, I am kind of here. We are past the point where "eliminating" COVID is a possibility; this is endemic. (And that's sad.) You can clearly see the CDC start to telegraph that post-omicron, they're going to remove suggestions that children wear masks or that asymptomatic people test, as they do this with no other respiratory infection. If you're vaxxed and boosted, this is the flu at this point.

I'm going to continue to get boosters and mask where asked and I think its good this has normalized people staying home when sick and mask wearing in general, but this is with us forever and young, otherwise healthy on-time with their vax people have little to fear of it. How seriously am I supposed to take it for the remaining 50 years of my life?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 24, 2022, 01:50:15 pm
Which brings me to my next point: I don’t think people are taking covid seriously anymore… and a feeling that everyone is going to get it- multiple times probably- and it’s not that bad so why worry
I mean, I am kind of here. We are past the point where "eliminating" COVID is a possibility; this is endemic. (And that's sad.) You can clearly see the CDC start to telegraph that post-omicron, they're going to remove suggestions that children wear masks or that asymptomatic people test, as they do this with no other respiratory infection. If you're vaxxed and boosted, this is the flu at this point.

I'm going to continue to get boosters and mask where asked and I think its good this has normalized people staying home when sick and mask wearing in general, but this is with us forever and young, otherwise healthy on-time with their vax people have little to fear of it. How seriously am I supposed to take it for the remaining 50 years of my life?

RESPEK.

However, I was here post first jab.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 24, 2022, 01:56:42 pm
I am not really passing judgment but I have kids and I don’t feel comfortable not taking precautions and giving my family the covid and spreading it so Friday and Saturday after work (Aziz) I didn’t go to the bar after the shows

When the wave comes down I will

I understand why people might not make the same choice

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 24, 2022, 02:00:12 pm
that does bring us to a point now

Restuarants/clubs asking for proof of Vax?

If you have the vax and are boosted, great for you.  But you in no way are stopping yourself for being a vector for the spread, you just won't die or be a burden on our healthcare system

I think initially it drove vax rates up, and that was good
but we are getting to a point where I think we need to stop 'showing our papers' to see a musical

Quote
We are past the point where "eliminating" COVID
  did anyone think that we were going to do that?  I don't know, first I've ever heard anyone mention it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 24, 2022, 02:02:01 pm
I am not really passing judgment but I have kids and I don’t feel comfortable not taking precautions and giving my family the covid and spreading it so Friday and Saturday after work (Aziz) I didn’t go to the bar after the shows

When the wave comes down I will

I understand why people might not make the same choice
I agree on the wave. I stopped masking in summer when the case counts crashed and started back up as omicron and delta picked up. I'll continue to wear masks when cases are high -- because I just don't want to get it again despite it being mild -- but when they go low, I doubt I'll wear masks except where asked.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on January 24, 2022, 02:02:28 pm
I am not really passing judgment but I have kids and I don’t feel comfortable not taking precautions and giving my family the covid and spreading it so Friday and Saturday after work (Aziz) I didn’t go to the bar after the shows

When the wave comes down I will

I understand why people might not make the same choice

Are your kids not vaxxed?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 24, 2022, 02:02:39 pm
In the verrry early days, it was widely understood that if 100% of the population stayed at home for 2 weeks, the virus would die on the vine and we'd be done with it. I don't think anyone thought we were going to do that, but we've always known how to.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 24, 2022, 02:04:28 pm
Quote
We are past the point where "eliminating" COVID
  did anyone think that we were going to do that?  I don't know, first I've ever heard anyone mention it
Like if everyone worldwide stayed home for 30 days in May 2020 and we had 99.9% vaccination compliance worldwide, was there a theoretical path to R<1, sure.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 24, 2022, 02:05:28 pm
Quote
We are past the point where "eliminating" COVID
  did anyone think that we were going to do that?  I don't know, first I've ever heard anyone mention it
Like if everyone worldwide stayed home for 30 days in May 2020 and we had 99.9% vaccination compliance worldwide, was there a theoretical path to R<1, sure.
so we are all in agreement there was 0% chance of that happening
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 24, 2022, 02:08:33 pm
I would have done it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on January 24, 2022, 02:14:31 pm
I am not really passing judgment but I have kids and I don’t feel comfortable not taking precautions and giving my family the covid and spreading it so Friday and Saturday after work (Aziz) I didn’t go to the bar after the shows

When the wave comes down I will

I understand why people might not make the same choice

Are your kids not vaxxed?

They are vaxxed but that apparently doesn’t prevent you or anyone from gettzing or spreading it.

Whether it’s mild or not is another thing entirely

I don’t really care if it’s mild. I don’t want to get it and I don’t want to test my kids or partner either.

I am willing to take some risk… when the case counts go down I will hang out at the bar and not worry about my mask although hopefully the temperature picks up and can hang outside …I only have to wait a few days for the case count to go down…it’s on the way down today
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 24, 2022, 03:12:02 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/vDNGQ3M/covid-nation.png)

Fantastic photo from the latest issue of The Nation. Tried to find original (credited to Kevin Frayer/Getty Images) but came up empty.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 24, 2022, 04:15:20 pm
Maryland reported 2,690 confirmed cases today, about a fifth of the numbers a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 24, 2022, 04:39:53 pm
Maryland reported 2,690 confirmed cases today, about a fifth of the numbers a few weeks ago.

Fairfax County has dropped from 2400 per day three weeks ago to 600 per day now.

That's a wee bit more than the 5 per day we were averaging back in June and early July.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 24, 2022, 05:30:42 pm
Some good news from the Post.

Antibodies that block omicron found to persist 4 months after Pfizer booster
The study suggests a second booster may not yet be necessary.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 24, 2022, 05:42:02 pm
The study suggests a second booster may not yet be necessary.
Most luxurious things aren't "necessary".
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 26, 2022, 05:07:50 pm
Stealth Omicron
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 26, 2022, 05:55:37 pm
Stealth Omicron

"It's still omicron," she said. "It's just... sort of certain letters point one versus certain letters point two. It's a slight variation in terms of what is being picked up, but I want to be really clear it has not even been classified as a variant of interest yet... this isn't even a new variant, it's just considered a slightly different flavor of the kernel and we've seen that before."

What?  ??? (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/stealth-omicron-what-is-it-where-has-it-been-detected-and-should-you-be-worried/2737735/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2022, 07:08:35 pm
welp, denmark is done with it

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-26/denmark-to-end-covid-curbs-as-premier-deems-critical-phase-over

bring on the Hamlet quotes....
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on January 31, 2022, 07:23:50 pm
welp, denmark is done with it

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-26/denmark-to-end-covid-curbs-as-premier-deems-critical-phase-over

bring on the Hamlet quotes....

Let's go!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 31, 2022, 07:40:19 pm
Let's go!
? is that from tristan and isolde?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 31, 2022, 08:17:33 pm
^ lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 03, 2022, 10:44:15 am
No surprise here, Sweden lifts restrictions
https://www.kark.com/news/business/sweden-joins-others-in-announcing-end-of-virus-restrictions/

Bring on the ABBA quotes…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on February 03, 2022, 10:48:32 am
Sweden had two deaths from covid yesterday …we had 2990

Be like Sweden
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 03, 2022, 10:50:50 am
Sweden had two deaths from covid yesterday …we had 2990

Be like Sweden

This is what an 80+% vaccination rate and a generally healthier population gets you.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on February 03, 2022, 11:46:12 am
an 80+% vaccination rate and a generally healthier population gets you.
Be like Sweden

yes, let's!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 03, 2022, 11:59:57 am
Sweden had two deaths from covid yesterday …we had 2990

Be like Sweden

This is what an 80+% vaccination rate and a generally healthier population gets you.
I think you cherry picked that number
80% of all Swedes over the age of 50 have now received three vaccine doses.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 03, 2022, 12:18:20 pm
Sweden had two deaths from covid yesterday …we had 2990

Be like Sweden

This is what an 80+% vaccination rate and a generally healthier population gets you.
I think you cherry picked that number
80% of all Swedes over the age of 50 have now received three vaccine doses.

More like too quickly skimmed than cherry picked.

Regardless, it's really getting the over 50 population vaxxed that's going to make the biggest difference in hospitallization rates and deaths.

Anyway, entire Sweden population 72.6% vaccinated, US is 64.1%

At what point to we stop calling someone who has two jabs but is not boostered "fully vaccinated?"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on February 03, 2022, 12:23:07 pm
We have an obesity crisis in the US…. I would guess our poor health in general-more than vaccination rates- accounts for the disparity in deaths… we are fat and most people are on a bunch of crazy pills…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 03, 2022, 12:39:45 pm
We have an obesity crisis in the US…. I would guess our poor health in general-more than vaccination rates- accounts for the disparity in deaths… we are fat and most people are on a bunch of crazy pills…

Not disagreeing, but i did read an article (can't remember where, sorry), saying that the weight and COVID outcome correlation was somewhat exaggerated. Meaning that until you got to the Americans who are "severely or morbidly obsese," outcomes weren't really that different. Unfortunately, we have too many morbidly obese people here (and those are the people for whom the correlation does become strong....though i can't remember the BMI where it does....it was ridiculously high.)

One thing interesting in the study I mentioned was that people in the "overweight" category, that is BMI of 25.0-29.9 (notably, me, lol) actually fared slightly better than the people in the "normal" 18.5-24.999999 range.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on February 03, 2022, 01:06:55 pm
Yeah we agree.



😀
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 04, 2022, 03:41:06 pm
Read the room, buddy.

https://twitter.com/News_MTorres/status/1489364161440231426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1489364161440231426%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dcurbanmom.com%2Fjforum%2Fposts%2Flist%2F1034750.page
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 04, 2022, 03:49:27 pm
right down the street from me
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 14, 2022, 12:59:22 pm
One of the best things about the last show I went to was knowing there weren't any unvaxxed rubes in the building...


D.C. to drop coronavirus vaccine requirement to enter businesses

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/02/14/dc-covid-restrictions-lifted/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 14, 2022, 01:39:21 pm
Does that mean that IMP can still require it for entry?
I'm fine if they do, just want to understand


also will IMP do this march 1?
Bowser said cases have dropped more than 90% and there has been a 95% reduction in hospitalizations since the most recent Omicron wave — masks won’t be required in restaurants and bars, sports and entertainment venues, gyms or businesses, the mayor said.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on February 14, 2022, 01:43:18 pm
Well I like it

You shouldn’t require things unless necessary

I mean otherwise why not require people to permanently wear masks to prevent flu and cold spread?


Article doesn’t mention mass gathering events like concerts and sports


Of course if events warrant it you can always bring back requirements
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 14, 2022, 01:44:15 pm
here is the article that quotes bowser I posted
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/02/dc-businesses-wont-need-to-check-customers-for-proof-of-vaccine-starting-tuesday/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on February 14, 2022, 01:46:00 pm
Ok says masks and I assume vaccine proof not required for indoor entertainment


That’s fantastic
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on February 14, 2022, 01:48:15 pm
Article says businesses can still require


I doubt many will… it’s a financial killer… costs for businesses far outweigh benefits

Individuals can determine for themselves wether they want to wear a mask or even attend
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on February 16, 2022, 11:29:30 pm
Ok per IMP Facebook post (I think yesterday) IMP venues will continue requiring proof of vaccination and mask wearing for the time being….

It is my understanding some other non IMP venues will not require proof of vaccination and mask wearing

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 17, 2022, 07:45:28 am
Here is a partial list
And IMP is in there as keeping with showing proof
https://dcist.com/story/22/02/16/dc-bars-restaurants-requiring-vaccination/
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 01, 2022, 11:23:54 am
Today is the first day of masks optional at school in VA.

My kid reports a total of one unmasked kid in her first period class. She also walked by one of her other teacher's first period class, and reported all kids are masked by the teacher is not.

We told her she could do whatever she was comfortable with.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on March 01, 2022, 11:32:30 am
I went to the record store yesterday but forgot my mask…

I probably try to mask up next time
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 am
Great news Space, masks should be optional.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on March 01, 2022, 05:12:43 pm
Apparently so is proper grammar.

Great news Space, masks should be optional.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 01, 2022, 05:15:03 pm
I think space masks should be mandatory.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 01, 2022, 06:19:00 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/672me7.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 03, 2022, 01:51:41 pm
He looks like a douchey used car salesman.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1499086276519239680
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 03, 2022, 03:15:38 pm
He looks like a douchey used car salesman.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1499086276519239680

And he sounds like Doug Whiner

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/c5/ed/26c5edae58f088d6c1cdd2ab3277e5d3.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 08, 2022, 09:22:51 pm
BA. 2 on the rise. Don't toss your masks just yet.

Uptick in hospitalizations in UK. Germany has a seven day average of 160k new cases per day.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 08, 2022, 09:25:59 pm
BA. 2 on the rise. Don't toss your masks just yet.
Fuck you. I’m in the middle of charting out my Paris-Nice/Monte Carlo-Milan/Lake Como trip for August and not you or any other masked asshole is going to stop me with your facts.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 08, 2022, 09:29:05 pm
BA. 2 on the rise. Don't toss your masks just yet.
Fuck you. I’m in the middle of charting out my Paris-Nice/Monte Carlo-Milan/Lake Como trip for August and not you or any other masked asshole is going to stop me with your facts.

Sounds like  nice trip. I might take Lake Garda over Lake Como.

We're still on for Munich-Salzburg-Venice-Bolzano-Munich in July.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 08, 2022, 09:36:30 pm
I would be willing to read a PM with reasons why I should consider Lake Garda and where I’m finding a one-layover at most flight back to DC from there and what city that would be leaving from? Venice?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 08, 2022, 09:49:21 pm
I would be willing to read a PM with reasons why I should consider Lake Garda and where I’m finding a one-layover at most flight back to DC from there and what city that would be leaving from? Venice?

I've been to Garda but not Como, so it's not really fair for me to recommend one over the other. Thinking more about ot, id probably choose Como having already been to Garda. Im not sure i understand the rest of your question, but we previously flew into Venice, drove to Bologna, Verona, the Val Gardena, Lake Garda, Bergamo, and flew home from Milan. One layover each way.

Great thing about our 2022 trip is nonstop each way.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on March 08, 2022, 09:57:08 pm
Typically deflating
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on March 08, 2022, 11:42:17 pm
Does space have two accounts dedicated to vacation planning or is one actually jules?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 13, 2022, 03:43:25 pm
Barak Obama
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 13, 2022, 08:12:21 pm
Barak Obama

Also, Barack Obama.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 13, 2022, 09:08:09 pm
Barak Obama

Also, Barack Obama.
Also, Barack Hussein Obama.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 14, 2022, 10:57:09 am
Must be a very contagious strain.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 15, 2022, 03:36:17 pm
We're next.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-cases-rising-uk-what-to-expect-us-rcna19891
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 22, 2022, 10:37:32 am
Shocking.

Today out in Hagerstown, more and more truckers with The People's Convoy have complained about becoming sick with a bad cough. One streamer, “OTR Survival,” ended up going to an urgent care, and described the illness as getting “hit by a bus.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 22, 2022, 10:40:58 am
Shocking.

Today out in Hagerstown, more and more truckers with The People's Convoy have complained about becoming sick with a bad cough. One streamer, “OTR Survival,” ended up going to an urgent care, and described the illness as getting “hit by a bus.”

This could just as well have been posted to Schadenfreude :D
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 22, 2022, 11:23:44 am
so protesting non existent covid restrictions and then creating a super spreader event... they'll claim Antifa infiltrated them in order to make them all sick..
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: BrettnotBritt on March 22, 2022, 11:51:41 am
Shocking.

Today out in Hagerstown, more and more truckers with The People's Convoy have complained about becoming sick with a bad cough. One streamer, “OTR Survival,” ended up going to an urgent care, and described the illness as getting “hit by a bus.”

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/USnfWeCOHTHB3WX0aY/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 22, 2022, 11:56:09 am
wouldn't it have been more fitting if they said they got 'hit by a truck'
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 11, 2022, 12:51:25 pm
Biden official: Mask mandate for airplanes could be extended

Why it matters: The transportation mask mandate was extended last month, but is currently set to expire on April 18.



also
Nancy Pelosi (very risky), Susan Collins and Warnok have all tested positive for COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 11, 2022, 01:35:11 pm
Biden official: Mask mandate for airplanes could be extended

Why it matters: The transportation mask mandate was extended last month, but is currently set to expire on April 18.



also
Nancy Pelosi (very risky), Susan Collins and Warnok have all tested positive for COVID-19.

The US seems to be on it's own on this one.

They are also continuing to require testing to be able to return the the US.

Whereas otther Western countries have ended these two policiies.

Seems like someone in the Biden agency might be getting some $$ from the testing companies and mask makers for extending these two.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on April 11, 2022, 02:19:09 pm
Biden official: Mask mandate for airplanes could be extended

Why it matters: The transportation mask mandate was extended last month, but is currently set to expire on April 18.



also
Nancy Pelosi (very risky), Susan Collins and Warnok have all tested positive for COVID-19.

The US seems to be on it's own on this one.

They are also continuing to require testing to be able to return the the US.

Whereas otther Western countries have ended these two policiies.

Seems like someone in the Biden agency might be getting some $$ from the testing companies and mask makers for extending these two.

Seems like you are full of shit

I mean first of all what “Biden agency”!?!

But more importantly why throw around accusations without a lick of evidence

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 11, 2022, 02:37:03 pm
Biden official: Mask mandate for airplanes could be extended

Why it matters: The transportation mask mandate was extended last month, but is currently set to expire on April 18.



also
Nancy Pelosi (very risky), Susan Collins and Warnok have all tested positive for COVID-19.

The US seems to be on it's own on this one.

They are also continuing to require testing to be able to return the the US.

Whereas otther Western countries have ended these two policiies.

Seems like someone in the Biden agency might be getting some $$ from the testing companies and mask makers for extending these two.

Seems like you are full of shit

I mean first of all what “Biden agency”!?!

But more importantly why throw around accusations without a lick of evidence

The CDC makes the travel rules. This is not a winning issue for Biden. It almost seems like they''re trying to lose supporters.
https://www.afar.com/magazine/you-still-need-a-covid-test-to-enter-the-us


International travelers might be wondering if the testing requirement will ever end, especially in the wake of news that Canada, France, the United Kingdom, and Australia have scrapped their testing rules for vaccinated travelers. Will the U.S. follow suit? The White House responded this week with a resounding “not yet.”


When asked during an April 5 press briefing if the U.S. has plans to change the international testing requirement, Jeff Zients, who serves as President Biden’s COVID-19 coordinator, answered, “No, there are no plans to change the international travel requirements at this point.”

That news may come as a disappointment to travelers—60 percent of which want the COVID-19 testing requirement for inbound international travelers to be removed, according to a new survey released by travel app TripIt from Concur. TripIt surveyed more than 700 of its U.S.-based users this month and found that 44 percent would be more likely to travel if the requirement was dropped.

The majority of respondents are also ready for masks to come off on airplanes—54 percent said they want the federal mask mandate to expire, while 30 percent hope it will be further extended (16 percent didn’t have a preference either way).
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on April 11, 2022, 02:51:56 pm
That’s not how this works or is supposed to work

The CDC doesn’t make policy based on what people want according to polls or what is a winning issue and it’s certainly not a “Biden agency”…you contradict yourself… if it’s a “Biden agency” why don’t they do the politically expedient to “help” Biden?

Never mind none of this supports your accusation of bribery

You have been so wrong so much on covid - on both extremes - one would think you could exercise restraint before posting


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 11, 2022, 03:00:05 pm
I think the "mandatory testing for vaxxed and boosted US residents to return" thing is wildly capricious. I'm kind of with Space on this -- its time for these policy's to wind down.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 11, 2022, 03:48:39 pm
policies
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 11, 2022, 04:15:50 pm
I think the "mandatory testing for vaxxed and boosted US residents to return" thing is wildly capricious. I'm kind of with Space on this -- its time for these policy's to wind down.

Unless the number of serious illnesses and/or deaths among the vaccinated swing wildly up, it's time to treat COVID as just another illness. An illness that's with us and not going away.

I mean, why is it ok for 20K unmasked, untested people to crowd into an NBA arena for a basketball game, but it's not ok for 200 people to do it on an airplane (which has excellent air filtration systems?)

I'm actually ok with keeping the mask mandate. Even though anything less than an N95 is likely just pandemic theater. But what is the reason for requiring testing when we're not requiring it for anything else?

And of course my bribery accusation was semi-facetious. Though I bet you wouldn't be bearing down on it so hard if we had a Republican president.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on April 11, 2022, 04:29:30 pm
Wow.  No typos.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on April 11, 2022, 05:46:14 pm
I think the "mandatory testing for vaxxed and boosted US residents to return" thing is wildly capricious. I'm kind of with Space on this -- its time for these policy's to wind down.

You think bribery is at play? Or the “Biden agency” is trying to lose the election in the fall?

It’s sort of comical to see democrats who agreed with the agency being independent during Trump’s presidency now post they disagree. The process is politically independent- as it should be- irrespective of party. I think that’s the way it’s supposed to work wether one agrees or disagrees with the policy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 11, 2022, 11:25:36 pm
No, I don’t believe bribery is in play, I’m saying I think they’re making a decision that is wildly out of line with risk analysis and science. As has been the case for about eighteen months, the science says XX and they come to the conclusion of XX about 2-4 months after the science said it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 12, 2022, 03:29:57 am
The CDC makes the travel rules. This is not a winning issue for Biden. It almost seems like they''re trying to lose supporters.

newsflash: public health policy isn't a popularity contest.  sometimes you need to make hard decisions, regardless of their political consequences.

trump made policy decisions based on polls and upcoming elections... yeah, let's follow his model.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 12, 2022, 03:32:38 am
Unless the number of serious illnesses and/or deaths among the vaccinated swing wildly up,

Philadelphia becomes first major US city to reinstate its indoor mask mandate as cases rise (https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/11/health/mask-mandate-philadelphia-covid-19/index.html)


:(
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2022, 07:38:23 am
Unless the number of serious illnesses and/or deaths among the vaccinated swing wildly up,

Philadelphia becomes first major US city to reinstate its indoor mask mandate as cases rise (https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/11/health/mask-mandate-philadelphia-covid-19/index.html)


:(

Given that the current variants are notably less serious, the vaccine is available to everyone, people can choose not to fly on an airplane or attend an NBA game, and effective treatments are available, case rates don't matter.

But like I said, I don't have a problem with mask requirements (though if allowed to vote, I would vote to end them.) I do have a problem with requiring 24 hour testing of fully vaccinated peeople for return flights on international flights only...when no other country is doing this and when we're not doing it for domestic flights or any other domestic activities.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on April 12, 2022, 08:22:09 am
Yeah the requirement on fully vaccinated people getting tested 24 hours before flight is harsh

My 79 year old mom in Argentina- an American- will have to do that day of a flight leaving for US at 9 pm…seems harsh..I don’t want to get into all the complexities of this…but it’s a challenge

It’s just hard to have a discussion when people start throwing around charges of bribery ..or politicization of everything..it’s like we are arguing about three different things

I have zero problem with requiring masks on planes.

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: shemptiness on April 12, 2022, 10:08:14 am
Finally got me.  A week after attending a 99% unmasked memorial service and 4 days after gettting the 2nd booster.  Feels like a chest cold mostly.  Had to miss yesterday's O's opener though.  :(
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2022, 10:50:43 am
My kid came down with a sore throat and weak persistent cough Sunday into Monday. If it was COVID, she would have had to have gotten it at the gym or somewhere other than school because last week was Spring Break. Took a COVID test last night...negative.

Going to see my unvaxxed Mom solo this weekend. Guess I should test myself before going.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 12, 2022, 10:52:50 am
Finally got me.  A week after attending a 99% unmasked memorial service and 4 days after gettting the 2nd booster.  Feels like a chest cold mostly.  Had to miss yesterday's O's opener though.  :(

Get well soon!

Still debating when I will get that second booster. Was going to wait until Fall when there's likely to be a surge, but maybe a few weeks before international travel in July is optimal if they still have the testing rule in effect.

Anyway, get well soon!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on April 12, 2022, 11:01:55 am
Nobody wearing masks means more getting it

But I doubt most people know it or bother getting tested

I feel like covid now is just nowhere near as potent as two years ago

A bartender I know got it for first time St Patrick’s Day…he worked maskless on their busiest day…he had been a hardcore masker

He argues when Biden didn’t wear mask at state of the union it meant no need to wear masks (plus CDC)

I don’t get peoples massive aversion to wearing masks. I choose not to wear them sometimes indoors but on a plane seated an inch from a stranger?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 12, 2022, 06:40:47 pm
XE is a hybrid of the two now-familiar strains of Omicron: BA.1 (the original Omicron strain) and BA.2 (the more infectious related strain that’s now dominant in the U.S. and other countries) https://t.co/viVzrUkvSu
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on April 12, 2022, 09:29:26 pm
Finally got me.  A week after attending a 99% unmasked memorial service and 4 days after gettting the 2nd booster.  Feels like a chest cold mostly.  Had to miss yesterday's O's opener though.  :(

Sorry to hear…feel better soon

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 13, 2022, 08:24:58 am
Live local news shot from the club...happening now.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 13, 2022, 01:37:15 pm
Should the U.S. lift its entry test rule? 5 health experts weigh in.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/04/12/us-travel-testing-requirement-covid/


I love how one of the “health experts” they went to is the CEO of the testing company EMED. Jeez, wonder what she will say?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on April 18, 2022, 08:27:44 pm
The “horror “ has ended

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/18/florida-judge-overturns-cdc-mask-mandate-for-public-transit-planes.html


Thank Trump
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 18, 2022, 08:35:43 pm
Guess I should posted my rant here… really looking forward to my flight to Detroit in a month, the mask mandate would have in theory been lifted by then but still… I’ll probably be the one wearing a mask
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 21, 2022, 03:23:24 pm
after having the COVIDWISE app for over a year
this week I finally got notice that I was possibly in contact with someone who reported postive

Obviously not many are using it or reporting as it seems nearly impossible that is the only exposure I've had with the Airports/concerts/living near a city
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on April 21, 2022, 03:35:30 pm
after having the COVIDWISE app for over a year
this week I finally got notice that I was possibly in contact with someone who reported postive

Obviously not many are using it or reporting as it seems nearly impossible that is the only exposure I've had with the Airports/concerts/living near a city

My wife got a message from that the night we went to Rasika West End and the Hamilton.

She did the tipping at Rasika.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on April 26, 2022, 04:05:13 pm
Vice President Kamala Harris tests positive for Covid (https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/26/politics/kamala-harris-positive-covid/index.html)

despite being fully vaxxed and boosted...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 26, 2022, 04:14:01 pm
Vice President Kamala Harris tests positive for Covid (https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/26/politics/kamala-harris-positive-covid/index.html)

despite being fully vaxxed and boosted...
so we've known for almost a year that this is the case?
news that she got it, not really news that she had multiple jabs and got it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on April 27, 2022, 09:40:45 pm
After years of being Covid free it finally hit me and hit me pretty hard. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 27, 2022, 09:43:22 pm
After years of being Covid free it finally hit me and hit me pretty hard. 

Ugh sorry. A good reminder for me to get my 50+ booster
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on April 27, 2022, 09:57:25 pm
After years of being Covid free it finally hit me and hit me pretty hard.

Hang in there cock!

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 27, 2022, 10:00:04 pm
After years of being Covid free it finally hit me and hit me pretty hard.

Hang in there cock!



You're in good hands.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 27, 2022, 11:35:13 pm
*insert supportive masturbatory reference here*
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 17, 2022, 02:05:11 pm
Eric Clapton, 77, who has railed against lockdowns and vaccines, tests positive for COVID, cancels shows
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 17, 2022, 02:12:13 pm
Eric Clapton, 77, who has railed against lockdowns and vaccines, tests positive for COVID, cancels shows

This one is in God's hands.

*insert supportive masturbatory reference here*
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 17, 2022, 02:42:46 pm
in clapton related news...just read this
From the "Did you know" department, Rita Coolidge didn't receive songwriting credits for the piano coda in the 1971 single "Layla" by Eric Clapton's band Derek and the Dominos. Rita had played it for Clapton, Jim Gordon took the demo, and Eric Clapton never gave her credit.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 17, 2022, 03:45:30 pm
Never heard that before

I thought Jim Gordon composed it
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on May 17, 2022, 04:02:17 pm
Never heard that before

I thought Jim Gordon composed it

Wow, a weird music story that I've heard of that Hutch hasn't. There's a first or everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on May 17, 2022, 04:04:10 pm
Worrisome
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 17, 2022, 04:09:13 pm
Never heard that before

I thought Jim Gordon composed it
take is controversial, 
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSaDMweXsAIpO3a?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 02, 2022, 02:18:48 pm
:( failed my covid test just now. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 02, 2022, 02:19:19 pm
:( failed my covid test just now.
Do you know if it’s a boy or a girl yet?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 02, 2022, 02:23:12 pm
i've been positive for a few days now... had an outbreak in my family, everyone has or had it.  nothing serious, it's just like a lingering cold.  i'm ready to be rid of this bug.

(don't worry, i put a mask on before i post on this board...)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 02, 2022, 02:47:59 pm
Get better!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on June 02, 2022, 04:22:14 pm
Get better all
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 02, 2022, 04:24:59 pm
:( failed my covid test just now.
Do you know if it’s a boy or a girl yet?
Was going to use the Railgun at Dahlgren to do the gender reveal
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 02, 2022, 04:34:27 pm
Getting my second booster Saturday. I'll probably be sicker from the vaccine than you guys who actually have COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 03, 2022, 12:13:11 am
Getting my second booster Saturday. I'll probably be sicker from the vaccine than you guys who actually have COVID.

if it's anything like my current experience with the actual disease, it's about the same: tired, runny nose, mild body aches, and a general desire to be done with this.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 07, 2022, 07:39:38 am
Convalesce! Whappen?
Covid…
Was it bad? You are vaccinated and boosted?
I kept up with vax, but didn't get the second round of boosting
I did get on Paxlovid same day as my positive test, I'm not 100% sure of it's impact, but that I'm feeling good Tuesday from starting on Thursday may point that it was effective at stopping it from progressing?
But I will say that biden's Test to Treatment plan worked exactly as promised (although I was coached to say I was previous smoker because I might not have been eligible due to age and good health)
 
I was sweating/aching/head throbbing for about 4 days, most of it spent on two couches (one in a screened in porch...highly recommended) Was kinda of a blur as I spent a lot of it sleeping or fading in and out of sleep
light sensitivity was an issue, so tv/computers were avoided for the first part
almost zero breathing/lung issues (thankfully)

Feeling much better this morning, wouldn't say 100%, but good enough for gov't work as they say
aches are gone, headache is gone, fog is gone
shitty taste in my mouth, still here.   a little bit like orange juice and Duracell.  Found that sour patch kids work well on this, but no cure

Overall I'd give it a 2 stars as a personal sickness, no where near as bad as the impacted molar or kidney stones
I guess thankfully I was in good shape prior and had access to therapeutics. I hear that this variant is mild compared to the first round

Still a little bitter about missing the ScooteGate reunion weekend, but in the scheme of things, not that big a deal
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 07, 2022, 08:16:58 am
Dude that actually sounds kind of rough

Am glad you are on the mend!

Any idea where you might have picked it  up?

Ro got it in March. It seems like almost everyone has
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 07, 2022, 08:18:44 am
Any idea where you might have picked it  up?
No clue, but was in airports, bars, concerts and GOP Cocaine orgies...so who knows
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 07, 2022, 09:29:12 am
Any idea where you might have picked it  up?
No clue, but was in airports, bars, concerts and GOP Cocaine orgies...so who knows

I'm at a professional conference out of town this week, and brought some COVID tests wtih me because I feel crappy and have cold like symptoms. But after reading your report, figured I'll just save the test. I must just have a cold.

 But I'll wear a mask to prevent spreading my cold (and give myself the added COVID protection.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 07, 2022, 09:44:26 am
figured I'll just save the test. I must just have a cold.

there still space friendly priced covid test kits...get em while their hot
https://www.covid.gov/tests
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 07, 2022, 09:53:42 am
figured I'll just save the test. I must just have a cold.

there still space friendly priced covid test kits...get em while their hot
https://www.covid.gov/tests

I swear I already ordered a third batch, but they haven''t come yet.

My wife had the same symptoms a couple of days ago. And she tested negative.I think I just have what she had.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: vansmack on June 07, 2022, 12:33:57 pm
I was at a wedding in Hawaii over Memorial Day weekend.  Of the 16 people in the wedding party, 9 of them got covid.  The other 7 had already had it (omicron, not delta) and didn't get it again.  Nobody had anything more than mild symptoms, but appreciated a few extra days in Hawaii.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 07, 2022, 12:54:49 pm
i've been testing positive for over a week now.  i'm over the flu-like symptoms, other than a very occasional need to blow my nose or cough.  definitely have some brain-fog tho, and it's annoying.  no matter how many cocaine orgies i attend it's hard to concentrate.  and the only member of my family that didn't get it, my son, tested positive yesterday and is now home from school.  he's really bummed because he'll miss being in the end-of-year play and he had a big part... on the upside, we may have prevented another actor.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 07, 2022, 01:06:19 pm
no matter how many cocaine orgies i attend it's hard to concentrate.
they are really overrated and don't live up to the hype

.  and the only member of my family that didn't get it, my son, tested positive yesterday and is now home from school.
I have a tremdous pangs of guilt, as my youngest daughter got illl on Friday right after me and she had this High Tea (not that kind of High) party she had been looking forward to for a month, had a dress and all sorts of accoutrements....crushed
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on June 07, 2022, 01:19:38 pm
my youngest daughter got illl on Friday right after me and she had this High Tea (not that kind of High) party she had been looking forward to for a month, had a dress and all sorts of accoutrements....crushed

i hear ya.  we're trying to make it up to my boy as best we can: get some of his classmates over for a playdate and re-do the play once he's negative.  perhaps you could have a make-up tea party for your little lady at some later point?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 07, 2022, 01:55:05 pm
I can empathize with you guys. Had COVID a few months back and my disposable income as I have no kids really piled up all week since I couldn't go out and frivolously spend it on me and only me.

Feeling sick is bad enough but when it strains the bonds with those you love, that's the real disease. . .
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 07, 2022, 03:35:44 pm
Duh: Republican counties had higher percentage of COVID deaths, U.Md.-led study shows (https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2022/06/republican-counties-had-higher-percentage-of-covid-deaths-new-u-md-led-study-shows/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 07, 2022, 03:38:04 pm
shitty taste in my mouth, still here.   a little bit like orange juice and Duracell.

Sorry, I lol'ed.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 10, 2022, 09:59:48 am
US to drop covid testing requirements for international travel.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 10, 2022, 10:20:03 am
Two beautiful blonde nurses just simultaneously gave me a covid shield shot in each buttock.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 10, 2022, 10:42:47 am
US to drop covid testing requirements for international travel.
thank god.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 10, 2022, 11:08:39 am
Two beautiful blonde nurses just simultaneously gave me a covid shield shot in each buttock.

praise god.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on June 13, 2022, 12:45:56 pm
Mick Jagger has covid
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on June 15, 2022, 03:50:42 pm
Fauci
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 15, 2022, 03:58:27 pm
Fauci
whoa
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on June 15, 2022, 04:41:01 pm
Fauci
whoa

I think Hurch and I are the only two men in America who haven't gotten it. Oh, and my brother.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 21, 2022, 10:25:32 am
Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2022, 10:27:08 am
Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
yowza
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on July 21, 2022, 10:30:05 am
Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
yowza

I know! Robinette?!?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 21, 2022, 12:09:34 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/meet-the-covid-super-dodgers/ar-AAZOZIN
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2022, 12:30:44 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/meet-the-covid-super-dodgers/ar-AAZOZIN
TIL: what’s a strikeout?

“That’s when you take a hit of weed, hold it in while you rip a shot and then chug a beer before exhaling.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on July 21, 2022, 12:33:31 pm
I can barely do any of these by themselves without coughing or throwing up
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 12, 2022, 04:18:11 pm
Around 95% of the population have some immunity due to a combination of vaccination and past infections, according to Greta Massetti, a senior epidemiologist at the CDC.

although the daily avg deaths is close to 500 as of Aug 11
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2022, 03:03:26 pm
not sure if you missed it
President Biden said that the pandemic is over.

numbers are looking better
with only avg 500 deaths a day (compared to this time last year it was 2100 deaths avg per day)

not really in the clear though
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 20, 2022, 03:11:00 pm
Yay! We did it team! Only one million plus dead Americans!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 20, 2022, 03:20:42 pm
almost 100 million cases!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on September 20, 2022, 03:25:28 pm
We rocked!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 22, 2022, 06:12:16 pm
good news for those who got the vax
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1573046484949499906?s=20&t=8WB0uS9Fb7iTPgBURhxwcw

those who have received COVID-19 vaccines "become connected to the internet"



I swear I have not gotten better reception since, but I didn't really benchmark where I was before, so all conjecture on my part
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2022, 06:11:57 pm
This is kinda "water is wet" news for this crowd, but I do love some data as it correlates to excess deaths

https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1576916442229837824?s=20&t=ZPdiyR62Fuhgstp_s1r-yQ

New study of almost 600,000 deaths in Ohio and Florida shows that registered Republicans had far higher excess-death rates than registered Democrats during the pandemic, with almost all of the gap coming after vaccines were available.
https://nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w30512/w30512.pdf
The study shows there was no difference in excess deaths between Dem and GOP voters in 2018 and early 2020 (control). And there was no real gap pre-vaccine. But beginning spring 2021, and accelerating w/Delta Republicans began dying at a significantly higher rate.



and he ends with the point I always make when discussing this
One other thing to note: this study looked at excess deaths, not Covid deaths. So if the vaccines were killing people, you'd see it in this data. You don't see it, because they're not.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 03, 2022, 07:32:16 pm
The Charlatans were touring Japan and Tim was posting pictures of fully masked audiences… but we a freedom loving bunch in these parts so…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: bfactor on October 09, 2022, 05:01:51 pm
Not blaming the club, but I almost certainly caught covid at the B-52s Anthem show, where I foolishly took off my mask for a while. Overconfidence from my recent booster, positive 3 days later. I'm pretty much a hermit other than shows and everyone around me is negative, so that was likely it. I'm fine, but if you're at all vulnerable keep the mask on in the club.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: GAY,GUY on October 09, 2022, 05:08:27 pm
Gurrrrl, I got it from going to a single college class. Third time this year. I want masks back.  I never even got the sniffles for two years, when we had to wear them.

But, what do I know . . . I'm the one who loves WSMFP.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 09, 2022, 05:37:33 pm
I want masks back.  I never even got the sniffles for two years, when we had to wear them.
Then wear one? No one’s stopping you.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 09, 2022, 07:30:11 pm
The Charlatans were touring Japan and Tim was posting pictures of fully masked audiences… but we a freedom loving bunch in these parts so…

Many other countries have moved past the masks. Nobody at all was masking in Europe this Summer. So glad I got it. Now I know it's nothing to be afraid of.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: GAY,GUY on October 09, 2022, 07:32:47 pm
I want masks back.  I never even got the sniffles for two years, when we had to wear them.
Then wear one? No one’s stopping you.

I only do things, when I am forced to.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 09, 2022, 02:40:42 pm
The Senators conclude that early failures of administration during pandemic “Resulted in the avoidable yet devastating loss of human life.”

should have just said 'blood on their hands'
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 10, 2023, 07:47:57 am
Release the Kracken!

Really, that’s the nickname
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on January 10, 2023, 01:22:02 pm
Release the Kracken!

Really, that’s the nickname

a lil' context, please?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on January 10, 2023, 02:01:16 pm
Release the Kracken!

Really, that’s the nickname

a lil' context, please?

I'm thinking it was meant for the hockey thread?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 10, 2023, 02:54:41 pm
Release the Kracken!

Really, that’s the nickname

a lil' context, please?
The 'Kraken' COVID subvariant: What to know about quickly rising omicron descendant (https://www.livescience.com/omicron-subvariant-xbb15)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 25, 2023, 02:38:28 pm
Narrator: the inmates are running the asylum
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnR6HmEXEAAgcD1?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Starsky on February 20, 2023, 12:38:58 pm
Well I finally got it

Actually feel like shit
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 20, 2023, 01:51:08 pm
Well I finally got it

Actually feel like shit

Thoughts and prayers (seriously). You must have been doing something right to avoid it this long.

My soon to be 82 yo unvaxxed, mask-eschewing, "I take supplements so I'm never getting COVID" mom was recently hpositalized for a couple of days due to a mini-stroke. While there, they tested her for COVID, and it turned out her cold was COVID. No idea if the stroke was related to COVID, though they discovered she had had several other strokes in the past that she wasn't even aware of.

She's recovered from COVID iand is improving from the stroke. Bonus was the COVID made everything taste terrible, and she lost the 10 pounds she has previousl;y gained. (Not too diminish how bad it was...she said she felt terrible for a while.)

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 20, 2023, 05:40:23 pm
and she lost the 10 pounds
I lost at least 5, as I ate almost nothing for like 5 days of mostly sleeping and feeling crappy

Sorry to hear about the Vid, Hutch...lots of rest and liquids
I did the plavaxolid, not really sure if that helped at all, sure left a bad taste in my mouth for days
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 20, 2023, 07:01:24 pm
I think Paxlovid and its cousin Tamiflu are less for the patient and more for those around them. You won't feel much better but you'll reduce the chance of spreading your germs.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on February 20, 2023, 09:57:31 pm
Jealous. I didn't lose an ounce when I had it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 23, 2023, 09:16:05 am
So in Florida there is a town in fredum Florida that is trying to ban the jab


https://twitter.com/edkrassen/status/1628742795388194816?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on March 07, 2023, 10:16:01 am
So I been getting better for a few days now…would say I lost about 3 pounds…my appetite is sort of gone…covid was worse than I expected….my whole family getting it really sucked

It’s interesting that the vaccine didn’t prevent me from getting it…or getting hit pretty hard…but then again I am immunosuppressed

I hate to think what getting it would be like if I was 80….

Man I had some nasty stuff coming out of my nose and lungs..

Not sure when I will be back to normal
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on March 07, 2023, 10:23:19 am
Sorry its hit you so hard. I went 3 years without getting it, and was fully boosted when I did. I think the newest strain can break through the vaccine. Once the vaccines are caught up, the next strain will figure out a back door. We'll always be playing catch up with this :(
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 07, 2023, 01:45:48 pm
reminder: the vaccine does not prevent you from getting COVID.  it prevents you from getting it badly, i.e. it lessens the effects when do you get it.  if you think it was bad with the vaccine (and i have no doubt that it suuuucked), you can be assured it would have been much worse without it.  having protection via the vaccine may make you less likely to get full-on 'vid because your body can fight off small infections, but it doesn't give you full and true immunity.

anti-vaxxers like to point to vaccinated people still getting COVID as "proof" that the vaccine doesn't work... that's cynically incorrect.  it's misattributing a quality to the vaccine, then complaining when it doesn't have it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on March 07, 2023, 01:54:42 pm
Don’t talk to me like I am an idiot.

I feel I got it pretty badly.


And when the vaccines were first announced and for many months figures were cited left and right about 90% plus efficacy in preventing getting covid period. Nobody said get the vaccine and you are still guaranteed to get covid. In my family all of us were fully vaccinated and boosted and still got it.

Get off your soapbox dude.





Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on March 07, 2023, 02:49:24 pm
Don’t talk to me like I am an idiot.

certainly not my intention.  apologies - for real, i apologize - if you felt targeted.

I feel I got it pretty badly.

clearly, sounded horrible.  glad to hear you're starting to feel better!

And when the vaccines were first announced and for many months figures were cited left and right about 90% plus efficacy in preventing getting covid period.

newer strains of COVID, like the omicron family, have taken that 90% figure way down since the early days of the pandemic.  expecting 90% is no longer realistic. 

Nobody said get the vaccine and you are still guaranteed to get covid.

correct, no one has ever said that.  there is no guarantee.  there still are folks out there who haven't gotten it, rare as they are.  what "they" have been saying, for at least a year now, is that vaccinated & boosted folks can still develop full-on covid (and they're much, much less likely to be hospitalized when compared to the unvaxxed).

In my family all of us were fully vaccinated and boosted and still got it.

the 'vid ran through my boosted and vaxxed family as well, and it suuuuuuucked.  the only saving grace was that the missus and i didn't get it badly at the same time, so at least one of us was semi-functional and able to keep things afloat.

Get off your soapbox dude.

i only wanted to address your statement "It’s interesting that the vaccine didn’t prevent me from getting it".  it's a false expectation with the BA.4 and BA.5 variants and their sub-variants running amok. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2023, 03:04:38 pm
I'm going to challenge your "rare as they are." statement with this one:

About half of American adults surveyed say they have been infected with COVID-19 at some point, with 35% saying they have tested positive for COVID-19 before.Dec 14, 2022


https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policy-topics/health/half-us-population-has-had-covid-many-cases-are-going#:~:text=About%20half%20of%20American%20adults%20surveyed%20say%20they%20have%20been,positive%20for%20COVID%2D19%20before.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on March 07, 2023, 03:16:29 pm
 I mean how can anyone say with any certainty I would have gotten it worse without the vaccines and boosters?

This is bandied about as gospel but where is any evidence?

The most likely reality is that covid is just weakening over time and people getting it in 2023 aren’t getting it as badly as they would if they got it in 2019.

And, again, when people were told to get vaccinated they were told these vaccines were effective in preventing getting covid. Numbers weren’t 90% either…we were told like 98%!! And wasn’t the point of boosters to prevent newer variants from evading the vaccine protection?

Isn’t vaccine by definition supposed to prevent getting the virus? Something that makes you get it “less badly” isn’t a vaccine per se, or is it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on March 07, 2023, 03:18:50 pm
I mean I plan to keep getting any vaccines and boosters I can but they are a big disappointment and I feel like the messaging regarding these @vaccines@ is a crock.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2023, 03:28:04 pm
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on March 07, 2023, 03:36:11 pm
That’s great…you have a lower chance of dying if not vaccinated

Not disputing that which I think is the point those charts make


But it’s a pretty big distance from hey if you just get vaccinated you have virtually no chance of getting covid to hey if you get vaccinated you have a lower chance of dying but are going to get it anyways..instead of 3% or whatever chance of unvaccinated dying from covid your chance goes to virtually zero. I mean 3% is not a huge chance..of course it’s exponentially more than nearly 0.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on March 07, 2023, 03:37:45 pm
And I don’t see those charts as evidence I would have gotten it worse without being vaccinated …we just don’t know..

What I think is true is if I had gotten it in early 2020 I would have likely died
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2023, 03:46:31 pm
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 07, 2023, 03:56:47 pm
The most likely reality is that covid is just weakening over time and people getting it in 2023 aren’t getting it as badly as they would if they got it in 2019.
Isn't what's most likely is "both"?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on March 07, 2023, 06:22:10 pm
Am sorry..am ticked off cause my kid got into trouble at school today…

Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 07, 2023, 03:10:13 pm
So while I get the intention was good...not sure I'm not a big fan of the Virality Project

some 1984 stuff going on
 giving tinhats ammunition
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2023, 04:56:53 pm
got the Cros
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/david-crosby-died-after-contracting-covid-19-graham-nash-says/ar-AA19CKWl

well per graham nash, not a doctor

guy had a lot going on in his body and was a liver transplant recipient ...so died with covid is more accurate
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 08, 2023, 06:04:31 pm

died with covid is more accurate

Do we need a "splitting hairs" thread?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on April 08, 2023, 06:05:37 pm
.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 02, 2023, 03:49:36 pm
Man, am I ever the outlier  :o (still haven't gotten it, as far as I know)

Nose picking linked to higher risk of covid, study shows (https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/08/02/nose-picking-covid-research/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on August 03, 2023, 09:25:03 am
Just had covid.  Was on an Alaskan cruise. I was nose picking...but not my nose.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on August 03, 2023, 09:52:38 am
I've felt like ass all week. Many of same symptoms that I had when I had COVID. Took a test, no COVID. Good thing too, I'm about to embark on a trip to a conference, visiting friends and family as part of the trip. That's my non-COVID story.

Hey Cock, are cruises really necessary when it comes to exploring Alaska?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 03, 2023, 10:07:59 am

Hey Cock, are cruises really necessary when it comes to exploring Alaska?
Alaska is a very big place so cruises do help in the sense you can cover a lot of ground.
Personally I hate cruises, but in Alaska there’s tons of coastline and that whole area where Juneau is not accessible by roads so Boat are plane the only way to get there (I did not take a cruise nor go to Juneau)


Most bang for the buck is the Kenai Peninsula

I really want to go to back to Alaska. It’s one of the most beautiful places.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on August 03, 2023, 10:50:46 am
We did a land tour and cruise of Alaska.  I'm not a big cruise guy but I really enjoyed it.  I spent a lot of time with my binoculars viewing the spectacular coastline and the waters and glaciers.  Lots of whale sightings, otters, seals, etc. from the boat.  The cruise left from Vancouver (very nice) and went up to Whittier.  Then the land portion went to Anchorage on the way to Denali, and then Fairbanks.  If you are the type that needs great onboard activities, then I probably wouldn't recommend.  If you are looking for amazing beauty then yeah I would recommend.  We went on Holland America and the food was really good.  Highly recommend having a balcony. It didn't get completely dark at night and sunset was as late as 11:30 up in Fairbanks. 
Last caveat...a lot of the stops were very touristy but some excursions were great.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 03, 2023, 10:49:57 am
Hetfield
My sister
My BIL


...its baaaaaaack
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on September 03, 2023, 04:37:55 pm
Sorry for your family's illnesses and Hetfield, whoever that is.

Covid hospitalizations and deaths right now (best measure we have left since they stopped counting cases) are a small fraction of what they were even a year ago. I think we'll survive.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: grateful on September 03, 2023, 05:51:56 pm
Sorry for your family's illnesses and Hetfield, whoever that is.

He's in some kind of guitar band or something.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: nkotb on September 04, 2023, 12:31:59 pm
And me. X ticket available for tonight

Hetfield
My sister
My BIL


...its baaaaaaack
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 04, 2023, 09:12:56 pm
Jill Biden has it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on September 04, 2023, 09:40:39 pm
Thank you for stopping the spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 04, 2023, 11:05:02 pm
Thank you for stopping the spread.
I do what I can, man.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 14, 2023, 10:23:52 pm
I expect this from crazy pundits and youtubers....but a state Surgeon General!

"It's an unsafe medication" -- Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on September 14, 2023, 11:22:36 pm
I expect this from crazy pundits and youtubers....but a state Surgeon General!

"It's an unsafe medication" -- Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo


did you miss the "florida" part?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Justin Tonation on October 04, 2023, 05:24:12 pm
Say goodbye to the COVID-19 vaccination card. The CDC has stopped printing them (https://wtop.com/national/2023/10/say-goodbye-to-the-covid-19-vaccination-card-the-cdc-has-stopped-printing-them/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2023, 05:30:29 pm
Say goodbye to the COVID-19 vaccination card. The CDC has stopped printing them (https://wtop.com/national/2023/10/say-goodbye-to-the-covid-19-vaccination-card-the-cdc-has-stopped-printing-them/)

In retrospect, I'm kind of pissed that my employer made me get vaxxed. Especially when I was full time remote telework. I mean I would have gotten it anyway, but ...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on October 05, 2023, 04:25:13 pm
Old follicly-challenged dude should get vaxxed


Say goodbye to the COVID-19 vaccination card. The CDC has stopped printing them (https://wtop.com/national/2023/10/say-goodbye-to-the-covid-19-vaccination-card-the-cdc-has-stopped-printing-them/)

In retrospect, I'm kind of pissed that my employer made me get vaxxed. Especially when I was full time remote telework. I mean I would have gotten it anyway, but ...
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 05, 2023, 07:36:49 pm
I'm kind of pissed that my employer made me get vaxxed. (...) I mean I would have gotten it anyway, but ...

this is one of the most american takes ever: being resentful of being made to do something, even if that thing is for the person's benefit.  absolute freedom is above all else including health, community, loved ones, etc.  if there is even a whiff of one's freedumbs being infringed then the discussion ends there.  kinda childish, IMO.

"excuse me, mrs. american, but you should get out of the middle of the road because high-speed traffic is about to-"

"DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO!  DON'T YOU EVER - EVER - TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!!!111"
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on October 05, 2023, 08:45:12 pm
Even if you say you would have done it anyway!!!


Really unbelievable
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 05, 2023, 09:15:53 pm
Old follicly-challenged dude should get vaxxed


Say goodbye to the COVID-19 vaccination card. The CDC has stopped printing them (https://wtop.com/national/2023/10/say-goodbye-to-the-covid-19-vaccination-card-the-cdc-has-stopped-printing-them/)

In retrospect, I'm kind of pissed that my employer made me get vaxxed. Especially when I was full time remote telework. I mean I would have gotten it anyway, but ...

I've had colds that were 10 times worse than COVID was. Same for my wife and kid. And I bet i have better hair than you.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on October 05, 2023, 09:43:59 pm
At least 1.2 million Americans found Covid affected them more negatively  than the colds they’d had before. So much so they died. Including my kids grandpa.

But am glad for your family’s good fortune. That’s what’s important. You.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: sweetcell on October 06, 2023, 03:54:06 am
"excuse me, mrs. american, but you should get out of the middle of the road because high-speed traffic is about to-"

"DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO!  DON'T YOU EVER - EVER - TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!!!111"

EPILOGUE:

*splat*

"well, at least she died free, unencumbered by the yolk of oppression or common sense..."
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on October 06, 2023, 07:57:26 am
😂
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: nkotb on October 06, 2023, 08:25:14 am
you guys have Space Derangement Syndrome
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on October 06, 2023, 08:49:53 am
How dare you tell me what I have!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 09:06:58 am
At least 1.2 million Americans found Covid affected them more negatively  than the colds they’d had before. So much so they died. Including my kids grandpa.

But am glad for your family’s good fortune. That’s what’s important. You.

That's what's most important to me. Of course.

Whether I got a shot or not would not have helped those 1.2 million Americans.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on October 06, 2023, 09:10:26 am
False. But you are too much of a selfish troll prick to bother with…
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 09:12:54 am
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.

Do you disagree with that?
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on October 06, 2023, 09:19:20 am
So your position is that airlines, hospitals, music venues, etc should not have forced employees to get vaccinated? You believe that’s fucked up.

Space, give it a rest. You are making an ass of yourself.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 09:23:41 am
So your position is that airlines, hospitals, music venues, etc should not have forced employees to get vaccinated? You believe that’s fucked up.

Space, give it a rest. You are making an ass of yourself.

Airlines, no. Music venues, no. Hospitals...it depends on the patient population you come in contact with. Government offices where everyone is 100% remote, no.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on October 06, 2023, 09:25:14 am
Just the way you frame that “make decisions regarding their health” shows how deluded you are….it’s really batshit MAGA … I mean it’s about public health.. that’s the point

Interest level in discussing this with a troll or complete imbecile: zero

Over and out
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 09:42:09 am
Just the way you frame that “make decisions regarding their health” shows how deluded you are….it’s really batshit MAGA … I mean it’s about public health.. that’s the point

Interest level in discussing this with a troll or complete imbecile: zero

Over and out

Calling someone whose opinion you disagree with "MAGA"=tiresome, cliched, conformist, and lazy. Happy to not discuss this with you!
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Yada on October 06, 2023, 09:47:28 am
I miss you guys arguing about who should wear masks at open air fields.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 09:50:36 am
I miss you guys arguing about who should wear masks at open air fields.
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Boy do I feel stupid for every arguing in favor of that. I guess in retrospect it was better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: bearman🐻 on October 06, 2023, 09:58:02 am
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.

Do you disagree with that?

When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when he told me that I was required to be vaccinated against certain things to go back to school, and those were rules far above his or my head. And papers were necessary and needed to be given to the school nurse in order to be given the OK. The same applies when you're an adult. Responsibility doesn't change when you have to consider the wellbeing of others in your species. The difference now vs. being a kid is that if you don't like it, you can quit and get a new job. Probably in a state where life expectancies are starting to crater, lowering the overall life expectancy of the country. But hell, it's America. You can do whatever you want.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 06, 2023, 09:58:40 am
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.

Do you disagree with that?
Yes, I disagree with that. Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: nkotb on October 06, 2023, 10:05:01 am
Its also really funny for folks to be in a tizzy about Space voicing concerns about employer-mandated health decision despite him GETTING VACCINATED AND SAYING HE WOULD'VE OF HIS OWN ACCORD, and not, I don't know, the systematic throwing-of-people-to-the-wolves that our entire political system engaged in.  If I had to guess, that might have caused a lot more death and misery than whether Space got vaccinated or not WHICH HE DID.

It's like being mad that someone uses plastic bags at the grocery store
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 06, 2023, 10:08:10 am
Its also really funny for folks to be in a tizzy about Space voicing concerns about employer-mandated health decision despite him GETTING VACCINATED AND SAYING HE WOULD'VE OF HIS OWN ACCORD, and not, I don't know, the systematic throwing-of-people-to-the-wolves that our entire political system engaged in.  If I had to guess, that might have caused a lot more death and misery than whether Space got vaccinated or not WHICH HE DID.

It's like being mad that someone uses plastic bags at the grocery store
I, for one, enjoy throwing people to the wolves.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: nkotb on October 06, 2023, 10:16:14 am
That's the right of any individual American citizen, but our political class shouldn't be making that decision for us

I, for one, enjoy throwing people to the wolves.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 06, 2023, 10:20:09 am
That's the right of any individual American citizen, but our political class shouldn't be making that decision for us

I, for one, enjoy throwing people to the wolves.
Sir, as a person who identifies as a political class, you have insulted me gravely.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: nkotb on October 06, 2023, 10:24:20 am
I have you marked as the Elite class, which we all know are the real movers and shakers
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 06, 2023, 10:25:56 am
I have you marked as the Elite class, which we all know are the real movers and shakers
Flattery will get you everywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: nkotb on October 06, 2023, 10:40:18 am
I know my betters
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 11:14:22 am
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.

Do you disagree with that?

When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when he told me that I was required to be vaccinated against certain things to go back to school, and those were rules far above his or my head. And papers were necessary and needed to be given to the school nurse in order to be given the OK. The same applies when you're an adult. Responsibility doesn't change when you have to consider the wellbeing of others in your species. The difference now vs. being a kid is that if you don't like it, you can quit and get a new job. Probably in a state where life expectancies are starting to crater, lowering the overall life expectancy of the country. But hell, it's America. You can do whatever you want.

Would you be ok with an employer requiring any employee who engages in anal sex to be on PREP before engaging in anal sex, at the risk of losing their job? After all, it is the responsible thing to do.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 11:45:06 am
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.

Do you disagree with that?

When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when he told me that I was required to be vaccinated against certain things to go back to school, and those were rules far above his or my head. And papers were necessary and needed to be given to the school nurse in order to be given the OK. The same applies when you're an adult. Responsibility doesn't change when you have to consider the wellbeing of others in your species. The difference now vs. being a kid is that if you don't like it, you can quit and get a new job. Probably in a state where life expectancies are starting to crater, lowering the overall life expectancy of the country. But hell, it's America. You can do whatever you want.

Also, you must be quite a bit younger than me if you were required to be vaccinated in order to attend school. The year I was born (1967) was the first year the MMR was administered, and the vaccination rate was 60%. Nobody was required to get vaccinated for school attendance until years later (by 1980, all states required it). So there were no immediate vaccination requirements, and only 60% of the people got it when it initially came out.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/g/coverage.pdf

Feel free to question anything I said. My knowledge is only as good as Google.

So I'm pretty sure that vaccination for those things were'n
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2023, 12:50:55 pm
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.

Do you disagree with that?

When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when he told me that I was required to be vaccinated against certain things to go back to school, and those were rules far above his or my head. And papers were necessary and needed to be given to the school nurse in order to be given the OK. The same applies when you're an adult. Responsibility doesn't change when you have to consider the wellbeing of others in your species. The difference now vs. being a kid is that if you don't like it, you can quit and get a new job. Probably in a state where life expectancies are starting to crater, lowering the overall life expectancy of the country. But hell, it's America. You can do whatever you want.

Would you be ok with an employer requiring any employee who engages in anal sex to be on PREP before engaging in anal sex, at the risk of losing their job? After all, it is the responsible thing to do.
Hmm, well, do you work in the sex industry? Then I would say yes
I've yet to hear of an STI that is communicable via anything other than sex (or some sort of body fluid exchange)
not the case with COVID-19.  So employers were protecting their staff and clients ...would be my take.
I won't deny there was a lot of promise that it would be perfect, when infact it didn't stop you from getting or spreading...but did dramatic increase the likelihood you wouldn't go on a vent and die


can you show me on the doll where the vax hurt you


clearly, space gets a major boner getting people to respond to his silly and contradictory statements
and yet we act like he is a rational person and might be like "Why, that was a stupid statement, I just meant to say I'm selfish and also somewhat of a major dick who likes to stir it up a bit here because I'm bored"
but we all know that's not going to happen
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2023, 12:55:13 pm
and not, I don't know, the systematic throwing-of-people-to-the-wolves that our entire political system engaged in.  If I had to guess, that might have caused a lot more death and misery than whether Space got vaccinated or not WHICH HE DID.

It's like being mad that someone uses plastic bags at the grocery store
so is NKOTB trying to say that both the dems and rebups systematically threw 100's of thousands of people 'to the wolves'
I mean, how many fat Americans can the wolf population eat

And were people being rewarded for throwing (jez you think they'd just use machines at this point)



When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when
The only thing I remember is I was told I could get a toy out of the treasure box and would get a cool spidey Bandaid
odd you remember talking with your pediatrician when you were a child about any medical decisions, pretty sure those conversations were exclusively with the parent
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 12:58:45 pm
I'm not arguing that the vax has hurt me. I chose to get it, so I accepted any risk. I'm arguing that employers shouldn't have the power to force employees to make that choice.

Who was my employer protecting by requiring it's employees to be vaccinated? We haven't been in the office since March 2020.

And now there is no longer a requirement.

And for the record, I had this resentment long before expressing it here today. I don't just make up things on the spot with the goal of trolling a few geezers on the internet.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2023, 01:01:53 pm
I'm not arguing that the vax has hurt me. I chose to get it, so I accepted any risk. I'm arguing that employers shouldn't have the power to force employees to make that choice.

Who was my employer protecting by requiring it's employees to be vaccinated? We haven't been in the office since March 2020.

And now there is no longer a requirement.
They want to be able to say "All our staff is vaccinated" and like greenwashing, companies were trying to fall in line for their PR campaign
also the insurance provider may have said, we want to raise your rates if you don't mandate it...and you know what an employer will do in that situation


So if your employer forced you to have a drug test, would you react the same way?
what if they said they were going to do a background check?

These would be WAY bigger privacy concerns for me vs getting a jab
you don't HAVE TO work for that employer (who works with the Gov't...so you are already a part of the machine man)

Where in the constitution says an employer can't come up with some odd rule (that doesn't violate a law) for employment
I don' like it, but this is the USA and Corps rule
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 01:06:09 pm
I'm not arguing that the vax has hurt me. I chose to get it, so I accepted any risk. I'm arguing that employers shouldn't have the power to force employees to make that choice.

Who was my employer protecting by requiring it's employees to be vaccinated? We haven't been in the office since March 2020.

And now there is no longer a requirement.
They want to be able to say "All our staff is vaccinated" and like greenwashing, companies were trying to fall in line for their PR campaign


So if your employer forced you to have a drug test, would you react the same way?
what if they said they were going to do a background check?

These would be WAY bigger privacy concerns for me vs getting a jab
you don't HAVE TO work for that employer (who works with the Gov't...so you are already a part of the machine man)

I don't have a problem with a drug test or background test to get a job. I don't have a problem with a vaccine requirement to get a job. I have a problem with making up a rule that you have to be vaccinated to keep your job.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 06, 2023, 01:06:28 pm
Why do you all engage in back and forth  with people who are not arguing in good faith? So many people are showing their ass here.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2023, 01:07:26 pm



So if your employer forced you to have a drug test, would you react the same way?
what if they said they were going to do a background check?

These would be WAY bigger privacy concerns for me vs getting a jab
you don't HAVE TO work for that employer (who works with the Gov't...so you are already a part of the machine man)

I don't have a problem with a drug test or background test to get a job. I don't have a problem with a vaccine requirement to get a job. I have a problem with making up a rule that you have to be vaccinated to keep your job.
well this is where we differ a lot
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 06, 2023, 01:07:46 pm
Why do you all engage in back and forth  with people who are not arguing in good faith? So many people are showing their ass here.
bordem
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2023, 01:15:12 pm
Why do you all engage in back and forth  with people who are not arguing in good faith? So many people are showing their ass here.

I think it's good to have respectful discussion with people you don't see eye to eye with on stuff. It's easy on the internet. It's good practice for Thanksgiving, when I get to have political discussions with my Trump voting 6'7" father in law.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: nkotb on October 06, 2023, 01:37:14 pm
I think it's pretty impossible to think they didn't.  For all of the talk about how bad Trump handled it, the worst, most lethal phase of the pandemic happened under Biden, and well into his presidency.  You can't blame that spike on Trump. 

Biden also oversaw the removal of all of the social safety net protections we were given from COVID, removed mask mandates, refused to fulfill promises on economic relief, games the system to keep infection / death rates seemingly lower, etc etc.

He's been just as anti-science and anti-fact as Trump was...the major difference is that most of us (I would assume) think Biden is the good guy and Trump the bad, so his actions were good where Trump's were bad. And Biden gets to say "believe in science" or whatever, so he looks reasonable compared to "inject bleach into your veins" lol while doing the opposite, and liberals just eat it up. 

so is NKOTB trying to say that both the dems and rebups systematically threw 100's of thousands of people 'to the wolves'
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: bearman🐻 on October 06, 2023, 03:19:16 pm
Why do you all engage in back and forth  with people who are not arguing in good faith? So many people are showing their ass here.

I think it's good to have respectful discussion with people you don't see eye to eye with on stuff. It's easy on the internet. It's good practice for Thanksgiving, when I get to have political discussions with my Trump voting 6'7" father in law.

Hope you'll bring up PrEP and unprotected sex with him too. That'll go over really great.
Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2024, 01:06:14 pm
“What do you have to lose? Take it,” Trump said during one of the White House coronavirus briefings.

Nearly 17,000 people may have died from hydroxychloroquine: study (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4389800-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-study/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 2020
Post by: Hutch on January 05, 2024, 04:25:51 pm
These stories just overwhelm me…how can I process that?