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Title: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on June 03, 2020, 12:02:16 am
This was news to me

https://www.bing.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com%2fcoronavirus%2f2020%2f05%2fsecond-coronavirus-stimulus-check-calculate-how-much-money-you-could-get-from-the-heroes-act.html%3foutputType%3damp
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 03, 2020, 06:52:40 am
Did I read that correctly, $1200 per dependent!

Theses kids are finally starting to show a profit
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 03, 2020, 08:02:18 am
well this is why we are not hearing about it...because Mitch is not letting it get to the floor


Republican senators have described the bill as ďdead on arrivalĒ in the upper chamber, while its majority leader, Mitch McConnell, has dismissed the package

Nancy Pelosi ... is aware that the bill's passing is a long shot.

On Tuesday, 2 June, Senator Roy Blunt, made it clear Republicans in the Senate were in no mood to rush to pass a second stimulus package, saying he felt that it was unlikely to happen in June
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: K8teebug on June 03, 2020, 09:57:14 am
Corporations got their money.

Can we PLEASE vote out all these fuckers?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on June 03, 2020, 10:29:41 am
I think I read that the holdup was whether or not immigrants would be eligible for stimulating payments.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 03, 2020, 10:45:23 am
I think I read that the holdup was whether or not immigrants would be eligible for stimulating payments.
well the GOP and their proxies are also trying to make this about "Planned Parenthood is getting millions in this ACT...what does abortion have to do with COVID?"...but this is because they are eligible for the PPP (paycheck protection program)
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 18, 2020, 10:47:28 am
Remember people...try to spend locally and support local business
resist saving a few bucks buying stuff on amazon, you are hurting your community

this is a cool idea/story to keep the money local
(https://10l3q03odwk24ee0t63e3w85-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bucks.jpg)
https://thehustle.co/covid19-local-currency-tenino-washington
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on June 18, 2020, 10:50:55 am
Itís all about balance.


Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on July 21, 2020, 11:27:54 pm
Talk about a second check is heating up...some talk about might apply only for folks making below 75,000


I kind of think democrats need to vote against anything proposed by Republicans

The way most of the money got spent on first package was unconscionable
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on July 24, 2020, 09:30:38 am
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/508674-gop-coronavirus-plan-to-include-1200-stimulus-check-for-some-individuals
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on July 24, 2020, 10:18:48 am
So the original plan was to only give the second stimulus to people who make under 40K. Assuming my plan to spend the stimulus money on RAPID tests for everyone to self-administer isn't viable and they instead have no better option than to give another check, then this sounds good. In fact, double the amount for the poor people since less people are getting checks.

But instead, they're using the original cutoffs. Who initiated this change back?



The March bill provided a one-time $1,200 check to Americans who made up to $75,000 per year. The amount of the check was scaled down until it hit an income level of $99,000 per year, when it was phased out altogether.

The decision to stick to the March formula is a shift from over the recess, when Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) appeared to signal that while Republicans would support another round of checks, the next round would include a lower income cap of around $40,000.

"I think the people that have been hit the hardest are people who make about $40,000 or less. Many of them work in the hospitality industry. ... That could well be a part of it," McConnell told reporters in Kentucky during the two-week recess.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 11:14:27 am
I heard that it's also going to be $1200 per kid...
The cash register sound can be heard going off at casa-de-heilung
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 24, 2020, 11:22:37 am
I heard that it's also going to be $1200 per kid...
The cash register sound can be heard going off at casa-de-heilung
CMG is trading up 7% in early action on the news.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on July 24, 2020, 11:44:07 am
I heard that it's also going to be $1200 per kid...
The cash register sound can be heard going off at casa-de-heilung

My kids are old enough to not be counted as dependents by the federal government. No tax breaks and no stimulus for me!
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 24, 2020, 11:47:31 am
I heard that it's also going to be $1200 per kid...
The cash register sound can be heard going off at casa-de-heilung

My kids are old enough to not be counted as dependents by the federal government. No tax breaks and no stimulus for me!
CMG now down 2.2% on the day in volatile trading. 
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 24, 2020, 11:53:32 am
CMG now down 2.2% on the day in volatile trading.
If you had bought CMG on March 18th...you'd be up 250% today

Quote
Originally posted by 6949:
 I think a dinner for two at the restaurant of his choice would come to $100.    :) 
I was under the impression Mr. Hurwitz was a Chipotle AFICIONADO...

Had you bought $5k it when you made this comment
your 100 shares would be worth $120K
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: sweetcell on July 24, 2020, 12:53:48 pm
no stimulus for me!

have you tried making a romantic meal and really focusing your attention on her for a while?  can work wonders...
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on July 28, 2020, 07:07:39 pm
I donít know heilung....


https://hot995.iheart.com/content/2020-07-28-second-stimulus-check-some-people-will-get-more-than-they-did-on-1st-check/?keyid=WIHT&sc=editorial&pname=local_social&fbclid=IwAR2K4U_TD8MqOKkyTqa9bmZc64e8ClUuHmLivn4rg_uCWL66Qz_lo3CZ2ms
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2020, 07:18:19 pm
Hutch may have a point (although not passed yet)

1st one: received $500 extra for each dependent child under 17 years old.

The new proposal removes the age qualification from the definition of a dependent, which means many more people will be eligible for extra payments of $500.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on July 29, 2020, 09:58:50 am
I donít know heilung....


https://hot995.iheart.com/content/2020-07-28-second-stimulus-check-some-people-will-get-more-than-they-did-on-1st-check/?keyid=WIHT&sc=editorial&pname=local_social&fbclid=IwAR2K4U_TD8MqOKkyTqa9bmZc64e8ClUuHmLivn4rg_uCWL66Qz_lo3CZ2ms

The math is too hard for me...Since the first check, I've filed my 2019 taxes and 2 of my kids went from "child tax credit" territory into "dependent" territory.  I think that means the hit won't be as bad, but I'll still wind up with less stimulation for my bank account.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 29, 2020, 09:59:38 am
I'll still wind up with less stimulation
Dr. Relaxer says you need 40ccs of toilet area, stat.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 17, 2020, 09:18:34 am
jez...can't believe this was June!
I think $600 would have helped then, but SIX MONTHS later...it really should be like $4k
there is a whole segment of Americans that are going to be homeless, jobless and hopeless...did they vote GOP?

and the ONLY reason we are even talking about this is Mitch says "the voters in GA are demanding it and we want to keep the senate, guess we should throw the 'poors' some coins so we keep the senate'
Will make me sad if the GA voters don't see through this crap
Polling (I know ingore that shit) is really close with a GOP lead
I just hope the Fuck the GOP crowd really has an impact on Jan 5th
Uncharted waters in GA

And too boot, we're probably going to close the gov't on Friday because these damn GOP senators can't get their act together
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 17, 2020, 09:39:15 am
Failed state
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 21, 2020, 09:15:35 am
so is this happening?  Trump could still veto it and waste time
$600-per-person direct checks
Households will also get $600 for each dependent child,...a family of two adults and two children could get up to $2,400 in stimulus money. But dependents who are 17 or older reportedly wonít qualify for the money
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 21, 2020, 10:40:24 am
Well Trump has tweeted in support..something like give them the money


I thought there was a cap on income at 75K?


Itís such a pittance
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on December 21, 2020, 10:45:22 am
Well Trump has tweeted in support..something like give them the money


I thought there was a cap on income at 75K?


Itís such a pittance

$75K for individuals, $150K for couples
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 21, 2020, 10:51:19 am
Given the ongoing problems with my post office (e.g. Netflix DVD's never showing up, my wife getting her new passport 10 days ago and me not getting mine, in spite of sending in the applications on the same day.) I suspect mine will be lost in the mail.


Whoís eligible
Under the new Covid relief package, at the full benefit amount, a family of four could potentially receive $2,400, though the income criteria for the second stimulus check have not yet been released.

However, if it follows the same structure as the March CARES Act, those qualifying for a full stimulus payment include individuals earning up to $75,000, or $112,500 as head of household and $150,000 as a married couple filing jointly. For every $100 earned over these income thresholds, payments are reduced by $5, up to a specified maximum income.

However, it is worth noting that the CARES Act checks were worth twice as much, so it is not yet clear how the $600 checks will be phased out.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 21, 2020, 11:04:19 am
You leaving the country Space?


Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 21, 2020, 11:14:47 am
You leaving the country Space?

Nope. Just think it's good to always have a passport. I have one for work purposes, but my personal one is expired.

Been planning on a 2022 trip to Europe for years...hoping life will be normal by then.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 21, 2020, 11:29:22 am
You leaving the country Space?

Nope. Just think it's good to always have a passport. I have one for work purposes, but my personal one is expired.

Been planning on a 2022 trip to Europe for years...hoping life will be normal by then.

Out of curiosity what is the turnaround on Passport renewals, last I looked earlier in the year they weren't processing renewals and it would takes forever to get one back ... and yes mine is primarily for identification, no plans to vamoose at the moment
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 21, 2020, 11:37:34 am
You leaving the country Space?

Nope. Just think it's good to always have a passport. I have one for work purposes, but my personal one is expired.

Been planning on a 2022 trip to Europe for years...hoping life will be normal by then.

Out of curiosity what is the turnaround on Passport renewals, last I looked earlier in the year they weren't processing renewals and it would takes forever to get one back ... and yes mine is primarily for identification, no plans to vamoose at the moment

Current processing time is 10-12 weeks.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/processing-times.html

My wife got hers in 10 weeks, it's been 11+ for mine. So mine's not late, I'm just concerned because they were sent at the same time and we received on and not the other!
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 21, 2020, 12:13:03 pm
I'm just concerned because they were sent at the same time and we received one and not the other!
It's because the guys are having fun passing around your passport and laughing
let them have some joy
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 08:56:21 am
The math is pretty simple, but there is a calculator
https://www.omnicalculator.com/finance/second-stimulus-check
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 08:21:04 pm
This might be a good use for some of these funds
https://merch.930.com/products/i-m-p-family-fund

Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 22, 2020, 08:45:50 pm
Not getting a stimulus check is the new status signal.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 22, 2020, 08:50:00 pm
You used that line last stimulus check!
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Yada on December 22, 2020, 08:59:54 pm
You leaving the country Space?

Nope. Just think it's good to always have a passport. I have one for work purposes, but my personal one is expired.

Been planning on a 2022 trip to Europe for years...hoping life will be normal by then.

People have "work" passports??
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 22, 2020, 09:03:49 pm
Sure...some even have multiple work passports


Itís kind of a big dick contest
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 09:41:47 pm
a Veto...are you fucking kidding me

He loves throwing hand grenades this guy, can't believe we still have 28 more days of this
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 22, 2020, 09:42:38 pm
Sure...some even have multiple work passports


Itís kind of a big dick contest
Multiple passports is the new status signal.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 22, 2020, 09:42:52 pm
You leaving the country Space?

Nope. Just think it's good to always have a passport. I have one for work purposes, but my personal one is expired.

Been planning on a 2022 trip to Europe for years...hoping life will be normal by then.

People have "work" passports??

If I travel outside of the country for work purposes, I'm required to use that passport, not my personal one. Not sure of the details, I just do as I'm told.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 22, 2020, 09:44:11 pm
You leaving the country Space?

Nope. Just think it's good to always have a passport. I have one for work purposes, but my personal one is expired.

Been planning on a 2022 trip to Europe for years...hoping life will be normal by then.

People have "work" passports??
If you travel to countries that do not like each other, you often keep separate passports for that reason so they donít see the stamps. Like if you are going to Iran, you can be refused entry if your passport has an Israel stamp.

I have no idea why Space would need two unless he has some sort of diplomatic travel element to his work heís completely underplayed.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 22, 2020, 09:47:15 pm
some sort of diplomatic travel element to his work heís completely underplayed.
Secret Agent Space, Secret Agent Space
They've given you a number and taken away your screen name
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 22, 2020, 09:50:27 pm
Particularly comes into play if you travel to Israel and Arab countries... Some Arab countries donít care to see the Israel stamp in a passport
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Yada on December 22, 2020, 09:53:33 pm
You leaving the country Space?

Nope. Just think it's good to always have a passport. I have one for work purposes, but my personal one is expired.

Been planning on a 2022 trip to Europe for years...hoping life will be normal by then.

People have "work" passports??
If you travel to countries that do not like each other, you often keep separate passports for that reason so they donít see the stamps. Like if you are going to Iran, you can be refused entry if your passport has an Israel stamp.

I have no idea why Space would need two unless he has some sort of diplomatic travel element to his work heís completely underplayed.

According to my archives, isn't space a bean counter for some gov agency? Doesn't seem to fit the bill of needing separate passports. Additionally, someone as thrifty as $pace should be happy that someone else paid for his passport.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 22, 2020, 09:55:38 pm
Well but you donít use your government issued passport on personal business just work...at least thatís the idea
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 22, 2020, 10:45:32 pm
Maybe not so fast

Hope you didnít spend the $ yet


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-abruptly-threatens-to-not-sign-coronavirus-stimulus-bill-unless-dollar600-checks-raised-to-dollar2000?via=twitter_page

Independent music venues really need this to be signed by the president
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 22, 2020, 11:04:24 pm
You leaving the country Space?

Nope. Just think it's good to always have a passport. I have one for work purposes, but my personal one is expired.

Been planning on a 2022 trip to Europe for years...hoping life will be normal by then.

People have "work" passports??
If you travel to countries that do not like each other, you often keep separate passports for that reason so they donít see the stamps. Like if you are going to Iran, you can be refused entry if your passport has an Israel stamp.

I have no idea why Space would need two unless he has some sort of diplomatic travel element to his work heís completely underplayed.

According to my archives, isn't space a bean counter for some gov agency? Doesn't seem to fit the bill of needing separate passports. Additionally, someone as thrifty as $pace should be happy that someone else paid for his passport.

I have presented papers at conferences outside the US. I was scheduled to present at an international conference back in April. I was told to use my government passport while on work travel and not to use it while on personal travel, hence the need for two. Yawn.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 22, 2020, 11:04:57 pm
Well but you donít use your government issued passport on personal business just work...at least thatís the idea

Bingo.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: sweetcell on December 23, 2020, 04:02:01 am
Sure...some even have multiple work passports


Itís kind of a big dick contest
Multiple passports is the new status signal.

you said that last time we talked about passports.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 09:19:23 am
Weird to see the Squad and Trump agree
I do think a reboot of the Odd Couple with Josh and Bernie would be hysterical

god will 2020 end yet
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 23, 2020, 09:47:36 am
Sure...some even have multiple work passports


Itís kind of a big dick contest
Multiple passports is the new status signal.

you said that last time we talked about passports.
If people listened, I wouldnít need to repeat myself.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 23, 2020, 09:49:49 am
Also just let the record reflect I called $600 in the integer thread.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 11:11:16 am
In case you wanted to read 6000 pages of this bill
https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20433222-bills-116hr133sa-rcp-116-68

So Trump has until the 28th to sign or Veto
Mitch already plans to have the Senator's back on the 29th

so they could do two things
Override the veto
change it to get the stimulus to $2k per person ...but what would that take, wouldn't it have to go to the House to write a new bill.  Might takes weeks/Months?

What if they override the veto and just send a one-page bill through both houses in a day that adds $1400 per person and that's it
Seems like the easy way to get it done quick


So in trump's long list of Pork in his crazy pants speech....few have even dissected it because it's not worth anyone's time
but those things he listed weren't a part of this bill but the bill to fund the gov't ...right or was that Phat in the Covid relief bill?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on December 23, 2020, 03:16:21 pm
There's only one bill. It funds the govt and includes the stimulus money.


A modification would have to go to the house. Pelosi has signaled support, so that should go fast, other than the logistics of a vote.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 04:14:50 pm
why on earth wouldn't they be two separate bills?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 23, 2020, 04:27:08 pm
why on earth wouldn't they be two separate bills?
Its an omnibus.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2020, 04:31:49 pm
why on earth wouldn't they be two separate bills?
Its an omnibus.
I mean I hear ya, but it just seemed like this should be a totally separate onetime bill
they had to know that the media/trump and others would cherry-pick the pork that has nothing to do with Covid Relief

but I don't know that much about the details on bills apparently I need to rewatch schoolhouse rock
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 23, 2020, 04:35:31 pm
I'm just a continuing resolution,
Yeah, I'm only a continuing resolution.
A stopgap measure from Capitol Hill.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 23, 2020, 09:02:14 pm
Will Mitch be the Grinch who steals Christmas or will everyone get $2000?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2020, 10:37:28 am
so they could do two things
Override the veto
change it to get the stimulus to $2k per person ...but what would that take
Welp a 'find and replace' command seems like all that was needed ;)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqAgxcNXAAER9Ru?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2020, 10:42:39 am
And just like that...the GOP screws us
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/531565-house-gop-rejects-unanimous-consent-on-2000-direct-payments
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 24, 2020, 10:47:18 am
But this cannot be? I already shelled out for the familyís European vacation.... what is happening!?!
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 24, 2020, 11:41:36 am
So do we think the move by the House GOP  helps Warnock and Ossof?
I think it does, but I'm not sure I can hold my breath until Jan 5th
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 24, 2020, 03:11:30 pm
But this cannot be? I already shelled out for the familyís European vacation.... what is happening!?!
Had to put the down payment in so work on the pool could commence as soon as the ground unfreezes? Youíre the last true family man.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 27, 2020, 09:30:19 pm
Trump signs bill

What a bullshitter
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 28, 2020, 10:51:29 am
Trump signs bill

What a bullshitter
it's all about attention, what a freaking toddler
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 28, 2020, 10:57:56 am
Yup he had to keep Americans talking about him over the Christmas break...also many will believe he wanted to get them more money but the establishment globalists screwed them over

I so hope once he isnít president we can do a better job of ignoring him..myself included





Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 28, 2020, 11:11:20 am
I so hope once he isnít president we can do a better job of ignoring him..myself included
I know one is supposed to ignore him...but he is actually still president and no matter how stupid he acts, we do have to pay attention

When he is out of power, that's a different story.  I still think the media and the liberal outrage machine won't resist click-bait headlines with the next crazy thing Trump says.

But I will likely block him on Twitter once he's out of office (I don't follow him, but frequently look him up to see what the latest crazy thing)
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 28, 2020, 11:24:03 am
I think if I had ignored Trump the last four years my life would have been better and the world wouldnít have changed.


Think about all the pointless drama...all the manufactured crises...all the press conferences.. all bullshit

But liberals just live for ďDid you see what crazy thing Trump said!?Ē

If we just ignored him would he say crazy things?


If a tree falls but makes no sound did it fall?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 28, 2020, 12:21:53 pm
I so hope once he isnít president we can do a better job of ignoring him..myself included
I know one is supposed to ignore him...but he is actually still president and no matter how stupid he acts, we do have to pay attention

When he is out of power, that's a different story.  I still think the media and the liberal outrage machine won't resist click-bait headlines with the next crazy thing Trump says.

But I will likely block him on Twitter once he's out of office (I don't follow him, but frequently look him up to see what the latest crazy thing)

Media will not ignore Trump, and when they shine the light on him. liberals will not be able to ignore.

Hell the media still puts the spotlight on Hillary from time to time, and she was never even president.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 28, 2020, 12:33:05 pm
Chicken vs egg



If media spotlights Trump and we donít bite they wonít keep doing it


I agree the media has epically failed Americans in its coverage of Trump who is an expert at using the media... Does anyone remember how Joe and Mika turned over Morning Joe to Trump in 2016?!? MSNBC did more for Trump than Fox News in the early part of the Republican primaries..maybe they felt they were causing trouble but it backfired spectacularly
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 28, 2020, 02:21:37 pm
it's two fold...It's really hard to not cover a car crash, especially if there are explosions (a Trump special as they call it in the Biz)

but that so many citizens think what he says and does, is OK for a president.... also makes it news
It'd be different if you take someone like Lyndon LaRouche ...he says said (died in 2019) something crazy...and only a fringe amount of people would agree with that.  You really don't need to cover it

but when Trump says it, you've got 70 million who agree with that
so it's news and some daylight should be shown on that because it's an insane statement or way to do something

Trump really broke the media, the gov't and the America people...I don't think we can ever put it back together how it was (yes newt, rush and Murdoch laid the groundwork, but he sealed the deal)
Not sure how we remove the culture war as I think that's the problem, it's not policy.
It's us vs them and even if it's good for me...if it's good for them or what they want....I'm against it
The GOP has one policy right now and it's Liberal Tears.  How does one compromise on that?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 28, 2020, 02:46:46 pm
So do you think the House will pass a $1400 add-on to send to the senate?
Will they add 230 reform language so dumdumDonnie will sign


Biden has called for Section 230 to be revoked in the past too

Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 08:51:34 am
So far so good
House passes bill to increase stimulus checks to $2,000

Itís all about GA
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 29, 2020, 11:22:49 am
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/marco-rubio-2000-stimulus-check
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 11:56:21 am
I love how rube(io) blames this on the dems (even though they passed things that have been sitting on Mitches desk)

"Remember, months ago Speaker Pelosi and Democrats rejected the Administrationís previous offer of $1,200 per adult and $1,000 per child. Thankfully, sheís finally stopped holding working families hostage," Rubio said.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 01:36:07 pm
and just like that...Mitch the bitch kills it
Mitch McConnell has blocked a vote on the $2,000 checks bill passed by the House.


but will it help by giving us the senate with wins in GA?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on December 29, 2020, 04:24:43 pm
and just like that...Mitch the bitch kills it
Mitch McConnell has blocked a vote on the $2,000 checks bill passed by the House.


but will it help by giving us the senate with wins in GA?

All he did was kill an immediate vote with no debate. He has yet to kill the vote after debate, or kill it by never even scheduling a vote.


edit: He's promising a vote on it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 29, 2020, 04:25:55 pm
and just like that...Mitch the bitch kills it
Mitch McConnell has blocked a vote on the $2,000 checks bill passed by the House.


but will it help by giving us the senate with wins in GA?

All he did was kill an immediate vote with no debate. He has yet to kill the vote after debate, or kill it by never even scheduling a vote.
well I thought the whole point is everyone was onboard, why is a debate needed
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 29, 2020, 11:47:09 pm
The Empire Strikes Back

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/politics/mcconnell-poison-pill-attached-to-bill/index.html
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on December 30, 2020, 01:00:29 pm
Got mine. Far short of $2000 per person.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 30, 2020, 01:42:39 pm
Direct deposit or via that scammy looking debit card from moneynetwork.com  (That's how I got the last one 3 months later than everyone else)
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on December 30, 2020, 01:53:20 pm
Direct deposit. I heard it was coming, but I wasn't expecting it because last time it took months...
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2020, 11:14:20 am
Are they basing it on 2018 taxes or 2019 earnings? The first stimulus check was 2019 if you had already filed it, 2018 if not. I assume it's all 2019 now, or are they just using the same criteria they did before?

Also, it drops $50 for every $1000 above 75K/150K. But with a starting point of $600 instead of $1200, the cutoff points for getting nothing would be $81K/$162K.

Edit: It drops $50 for every $1000 above $75K for single people. So the starting point is $600. So down to $0 if you're over $81K. But the starting point is $1200 if you[re a couple. So you don't hit $0 until $174K adjusted gross. Higher if you have kids.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on December 31, 2020, 12:04:51 pm
Also, it doesn't drop in $50 increments, but at a rate of $50 per $1,000 or 5% for every dollar over your threshold. A couple with no kids and a 2019 AGI of $150,001 would get a payment of $1,199.95.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2020, 12:54:19 pm
Also, it doesn't drop in $50 increments, but at a rate of $50 per $1,000 or 5% for every dollar over your threshold. A couple with no kids and a 2019 AGI of $150,001 would get a payment of $1,199.95.

Yes, this is true.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 12:58:56 pm
Itís just stupid..there should be a way to better direct $ to those that need it... this isnít it

The first stimulus was even worse... really a transfer of hundreds of billions to those that donít need it

We shouldnít have gotten a dime

No we are not wealthy or close but we are not hurting.. we actually had a better year than 2019
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2020, 01:28:47 pm
Itís just stupid..there should be a way to better direct $ to those that need it... this isnít it

The first stimulus was even worse... really a transfer of hundreds of billions to those that donít need it

We shouldnít have gotten a dime

No we are not wealthy or close but we are not hurting.. we actually had a better year than 2019


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/23/how-to-donate-your-600-stimulus-check.html
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 31, 2020, 01:31:50 pm
well played space!
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 01:34:38 pm
My donating or not has little impact -close to zero- on the hundreds of billions the US government is misdirecting to people that donít need it...

But am sure I will donate extra to my favorite organization actually helping people

https://risedc.org/programs

Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 01:38:33 pm
well played space!

Another person that doesnít need his stimulus check but hey free money


Except itís not really free...your government is borrowing the $ in your name  to give you that check you donít need

When the $ tanks you will be paying more for imports and if you ever hope to take your family to Europe you will end up paying more...maybe your taxes will have to go up...not to mention inflation... you may believe official statistics that inflation is about inexistent but you will find out at the grocery store you are getting less for your buck..you may wonder why - or maybe it wonít occur to you- but you will spend more for the same groceries

Maybe you think governmentís role is to give free money to people that live in million dollar homes in Arlington.. you would be wrong
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 31, 2020, 01:55:05 pm
Maybe you think governmentís role is to give free money to people that live in million dollar homes in Arlington.. you would be wrong
I don't think that's the role, but the percentage of people who get this and live in Million dollar homes....I'd say is small
maybe 5%
Show me some stats

I would gather that close to 90% of those checks go straight back into the economy, support small and big business, stoping foreclosures and the like

Yes not perfect, but I think more equitable than all of the benefits that some companies owned my multimillionaires got and spent on planes and yahchts
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 02:03:24 pm
How about you get yourself your stats?

I am comfortable saying these checks are  largely a misuse of printing presses...

Itís full of people that have no business getting them

My sister in Philly
My sister in Houston
You
Me

Etc etc

They should target the money to those that need it

Why is this even controversial?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 31, 2020, 05:03:52 pm
Who are these people living in ďmillion dollar homesĒ with a total family income of under $150k?
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: excontradiction on December 31, 2020, 05:27:21 pm
Who are these people living in ďmillion dollar homesĒ with a total family income of under $150k?

Correct.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2020, 05:29:31 pm
Who are these people living in ďmillion dollar homesĒ with a total family income of under $150k?

I had the same thought.

People who have/had financial help from Mommy and Daddy, or people who bought their million dollar house well before it was a million dollar house.

Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 31, 2020, 05:30:32 pm
Who are these people living in ďmillion dollar homesĒ with a total family income of under $150k?

Correct.

Well they are not buying Million dollar homes, but they could have conceivably bought in the 90s and now their home is worth a million
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 06:01:21 pm


Regardless helping people who have kept their jobs just fine and have a household income of $150K seems stupid


The help should be targeted to those who have lost their jobs and have much lower household incomes

Itís just a really inefficient way of throwing money around


Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on December 31, 2020, 06:09:31 pm
Itís just a really inefficient way of throwing money around
This is correct although I think the upper band threshold isnít super far off. Maybe like 60/120k.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Space Freely on December 31, 2020, 06:15:26 pm


Regardless helping people who have kept their jobs just fine and have a household income of $150K seems stupid


The help should be targeted to those who have lost their jobs and have much lower household incomes

Itís just a really inefficient way of throwing money around

It's actually adjusted gross income, so probably closer to 200K unadjusted gross.

If not 150K, then what would your cutoff be? 100K? And if so, what percentage of recipients makes less than 100K vs. percentage making 100-150K.

150K isn't that much in the DC area, but it's a fortune in other areas.
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 31, 2020, 06:33:33 pm
I'm a fan of UBI, so I don't see a problem here
they lowered taxes on billionaires and created an almost 2 trillion hole in the budget
those tax cuts were cited to be able to create tons of jobs and most companies did stock buybacks instead of creating jobs

What happened to the ATM?
I mean that Trump can find ways to pay no or only $750 in taxes...something is wrong with the tax system
when the largest companies pay no taxes either...the tax code needs to be looked at as they are gaming it
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2018-taxes-some-of-americas-biggest-companies-paid-little-to-no-federal-income-tax-last-year/
60 profitable Fortune 500 companies paid no taxes on a total of $79 billion of profits earned in 2018
Jez, there should be an ATM on these companies on profits, 5% would have put almost 40 billion in tax revenue
and these are profits, not revenue...
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: hutch on December 31, 2020, 06:55:31 pm
One error in policy doesnít justify another


I am sure government could figure out the people laid off or making minimum wage and up their benefits..

They shouldnít even be using last yearís income amounts!

What matters is what people are making now during the pandemic not what they made last year before the pandemic

You give people doing ok extra cash and they are going to pay down debt, buy stocks etc

You give it to people struggling they pay rent and buy food
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 22, 2021, 06:20:35 pm
Senior Democrats drafting plan to give parents at least $3,000 per child in Biden stimulus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/01/22/biden-childtaxcredit-stimulus/)
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: Bamboo-Hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 28, 2021, 02:37:58 pm
New York hedge fund billionaire Leon Cooperman on CNBC right now lamenting people "sitting at home getting their checks from the government, trading their stocks."
Title: Re: Plans for your second socialist check?
Post by: WalkOnBack on January 28, 2021, 07:20:15 pm
I just received mine in the mail. I just like looking at it for a little while longer before I deposit it.