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Title: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2021, 11:55:57 am
I can believe there is no Supreme Court thread

6-3 conservative majority


https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/23/politics/supreme-court-california-unions/index.html
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2021, 12:09:50 pm
So a union leader now has to Pay the corp/owner to come onsite to talk to members?
how is this price determined? 

I'm not sure I  understand this

"The access regulation amounts to simple appropriation of private property," Roberts wrote in the majority opinion. He added that the "access regulation grants labor organizations a right to invade the growers' property. It therefore constitutes a per se physical
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2021, 12:26:14 pm
I am glad to see that cheerleaders who use expletives in Snapchat while off campus are protected by 1A

near unanimous, but of course Thomas seems to think cursing is naughty
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2021, 04:57:47 pm
I am glad to see that cheerleaders who use expletives in Snapchat while off campus are protected by 1A

near unanimous, but of course Thomas seems to think cursing is naughty
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1407724307757809669?s=20
ACLU@ACLU
Say it with us:

Fuck school.
Fuck softball.
Fuck cheer.
Fuck everything.

We know our First Amendment rights and we will use them. Get the new Fuck Everything tee today.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 23, 2021, 06:30:25 pm
Breyer, please retire.

Thomas, please die.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2021, 09:22:22 pm
Breyer, please retire.

Thomas, please die.
That would make a great T-shirt
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on December 02, 2021, 10:03:55 am
Waiting on abortion decision….
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on February 07, 2022, 06:16:44 pm
Ooohhhh


https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/01/sen-ben-ray-lujan-suffered-stroke-and-underwent-surgery.html?recirc=taboolainternal
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on February 25, 2022, 12:44:10 pm
It’s Ketanji Brown Jackson
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 25, 2022, 01:02:32 pm
It’s Ketanji Brown Jackson
Vansmack gets passed over YET AGAIN.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 25, 2022, 02:15:35 pm
It’s Ketanji Brown Jackson
Vansmack gets passed over YET AGAIN.
I didn't realize he was a black female?!
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 25, 2022, 03:06:37 pm
one of the QOPs concerns about her is she belongs to a private club in DC for Washington elites ::)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on February 25, 2022, 03:17:42 pm
I imagine she will have a tough time getting confirmed

I can’t wait to hear about Manchin’s concern!

And Susan Collins….


Vommit
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 25, 2022, 03:36:12 pm
I imagine she will have a tough time getting confirmed

I can’t wait to hear about Manchin’s concern!

And Susan Collins….


Vommit
well we don't need susan, but we do need manchin and sinema...fuck those two are just killing any hope we had
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 25, 2022, 03:57:24 pm
one of the QOPs concerns about her is she belongs to a private club in DC for Washington elites ::)
A private club Julian went to a party at at like 25.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 25, 2022, 03:57:52 pm
^^ #TheAmerica
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 25, 2022, 05:04:04 pm
one of the QOPs concerns about her is she belongs to a private club in DC for Washington elites ::)
A private club Julian went to a party at at like 25.
if jules went...is it really that elite?!
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 25, 2022, 06:18:58 pm
one of the QOPs concerns about her is she belongs to a private club in DC for Washington elites ::)
A private club Julian went to a party at at like 25.
if jules went...is it really that elite?!
See, the beauty of this, is I win with either answer.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 23, 2022, 06:06:41 pm
dang, I think Corey booker is gonna make me cry

https://twitter.com/peoplefor/status/1506747006475247625?s=20&t=BkjEO9CF2nAM8YDdB84Wig
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1506750006954319873?s=20&t=BkjEO9CF2nAM8YDdB84Wig
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 24, 2022, 05:31:38 pm
Wow these new details about Gini Thomas….wow, kinda unbelievable they didn’t think people would connect the dots

Lots of tweets in the past about this sounded very tinfoil hat like, but it is looking like they were right all along
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: GAY,GUY on March 24, 2022, 10:13:12 pm
Funny, Michael McKean tweet, today.

"Justice Thomas' absence from court just got a little less mysterious."
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 25, 2022, 07:11:59 am
So connecting the dots… Ginni is paling around with the people’s convey where there is a reported Covid outbreak and now Clarence is in the hospital with an undisclosed infection..

Conspiracy theories  that’s how they work right?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: GAY,GUY on March 25, 2022, 07:46:51 am
Great tweet:

"In an effort to save everyone some time this is what is going to happen to Clarence and Ginni Thomas.

NOTHING."

-  Don Winslow
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on March 25, 2022, 07:57:29 am
Let the sheeple have their fantasies
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: GAY,GUY on March 25, 2022, 08:56:09 am
Dude, everyone who lives in America, is a sheep.  Me, too and you, as well.

Bahhhhhh.

The, end.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on March 25, 2022, 09:18:18 am
No.

I am a salmon.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 25, 2022, 09:23:09 am
If we are sheep in theory we could grow wool which could help some survive the various apocalypse’s
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on March 25, 2022, 09:27:54 am
I am a rock. Walkie is an island.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: GAY,GUY on March 25, 2022, 09:48:17 am
Ooh . . . I like where this, is going.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 25, 2022, 10:02:52 am
No.

I am a salmon.
who pronounces it SAL-mon
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on March 25, 2022, 11:13:46 am
For those that want to give up on Manchin

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/25/politics/joe-manchin-ketanji-brown-jackson-vote/index.html
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on March 25, 2022, 01:09:05 pm
So what would happen to a qualified Biden SC nominee if the Republicans held a Senate majority?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on March 25, 2022, 01:25:51 pm
You have to ask?

No chance if in last year. Third year first nominee would be bloodied and not confirmed

Second nominee? If fairly conservative would have chance for a narrow confirmation
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 25, 2022, 01:43:54 pm
So what would happen to a qualified Biden SC nominee if the Republicans held a Senate majority?
is this a real question?

they could nominate Ronald Regan and the GQP wouldn't confirm because they give ZERO ground to anything a dem propses
they forget that compromise is what we are founded on
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2022, 11:14:31 am
I do like seeing this  Roberts joined liberals in dissent
while it's been a shit show, I'm glad the chief seems to have a level head

I do think he needs to issue a statement on Clarence, but not very likely that will happen
I think it's way to optimistic to think CT will suffer any consequences, but he can be put on trial right?
can a SCJ keep their seat if they are serving jail time?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2022, 11:29:07 am
again...good to see they are not block voting on cases..there is some hope

BK says 'fuck the police' on this one...kind of a shocker, but at the same time, crazy it had to reach the SCOTUS on diaper rash

SCOTUSblog@SCOTUSblog

Here's the 6-3 opinion from Brett Kavanaugh in Thompson v. Clark: https://supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-659_3ea4.pdf
Samuel Alito dissents, joined by Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch.

SCOTUS rules in favor of an NYC man who sued a police officer for violating his Fourth Amendment rights after the officer arrested him for supposedly abusing his newborn daughter. An exam later showed no signs of abuse -- just diaper rash. SCOTUS reinstates the man's lawsuit.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on April 06, 2022, 11:56:04 am
I think it's way to optimistic to think CT will suffer any consequences, but he can be put on trial right?
can a SCJ keep their seat if they are serving jail time?

SCJs can be impeached, just like any other federal employee.  if a supreme is arrested and convicted in criminal court, they'd still need to be impeached (or resign) in order to lose their job. 

however, your second question has never been tested: what happens if a justice is convicted of a criminal offence but for whatever reason isn't impeached?  a seat on the supreme court is an appointment for life, and impeachment is the only way to force someone off...

from King5 (https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/verify/verify-can-justices-on-the-supreme-court-face-criminal-civil-charges/281-599239828):
- While justices can be accused, tried and even found guilty of any crime, they won't lost their Supreme Court seat because of any sentence.
- The only way a justice on the Supreme Court can be removed is by impeachment and subsequent conviction.
- Like in cases involving the president and vice president, impeachment of a justice requires a majority of the US House of Representatives to approve the "impeachment" and then a 2/3 "supermajority" of the US Senate would have to convict the justice.
- While there is one historical case of a justice being impeached (https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/faq_general.aspx), he was cleared of wrongdoing by the Senate. This means that no justice on the Supreme Court has ever been removed from their seat.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2022, 12:38:50 pm
I do like seeing this  Roberts joined liberals in dissent
I did leave out an important part...the part where Citizens United comes in to play
The Supreme Court just ruled 5-4 siding with red states against the Clean Water Act
 but the conservative majority did not even issue an opinion explaining why they ruled the way they did.


just you lose, we don't have to explain ourselves, we are untouchable
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2022, 10:03:16 am
this is an interesting take and I kind of agree

Amie Parnes@amieparnes

@WhipClyburn told me if President Obama would have nominated a black woman to the Supreme Court (instead of Garland) Hillary Clinton would have won the presidency.

https://thehill.com/news/administration/3262199-democrats-plan-to-seize-on-gop-opposition-to-jackson/

man, I really think the dems are going to get slayed in 2022...setting the stage for 2024
we are running out of time and not really hearing good ideas that will get people to the polls
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on April 08, 2022, 10:08:18 am
Garland was meant to be an olive branch

It didn’t work


It was the wrong move obviously

Obama just tried too hard to work with Republicans

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 08, 2022, 10:11:12 am
Obama just tried to hard to work with Republicans
(https://c.tenor.com/uPBkSw6zo3gAAAAC/animal-house-effed-up.gif)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 21, 2022, 01:08:40 pm
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/politics/supreme-court-religious-schools/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/politics/taylor-supreme-court-ruling/index.html
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 21, 2022, 04:01:34 pm
So the Religious school one I heard about, on the fence...Sotomayor made it sound like we were installing the pope in the legislative branch with that ruling, not sure I agree
 but I'm no legal scholar, that is well documented

that other "crime of violence" one  (was thinking that might be a good band name, taken (http://reverbnation.com/CRIMEOFVIOLENCE) by an  Indonesia Metal band)
the guy didn't have the gun or shoot the gun that killed someone else... While I hate guns, hard to say that 10 years should get tacked on to his sentence for a gun in the crime rather than a knife or a car
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 21, 2022, 04:42:43 pm
I am surprised you are in favor of a ruling that supports a state giving vouchers period; never mind that they can be used for religious schools.

I have always said I support so called school choice but I sure hope states watch what schools they acredit. Will they also extend vouchers to parents homeschooling their  kids? There’s a lot of crazy potential implications from school choice. I don’t know the particulars about what Maine is doing.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 21, 2022, 04:55:57 pm
but I sure hope states watch what schools they acredit.
exactly
I do have a lot of issues with the school voucher programs in general
but their are some redeeming things that have helped a lot of family's where the local schools are absolute garbage

I did say I was on the fence
I just felt sotomyer just went a little over the top in her dissent
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 22, 2022, 05:30:11 pm
Supreme Court adds Friday as additional opinion day this week. (It previously announced Thursday as an opinion day.)


So do we think friday the Roe decision will be rolled out
gonna be a busy weekend on facebook and twitter
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2022, 10:51:09 am
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/new-york-gun-law-supreme-court-decision/index.html

They have lost their minds
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 23, 2022, 11:17:19 am
i'm going to feel extra safe in public from now on  ::)

bring on the wrongful death lawsuits....
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 23, 2022, 11:31:50 am
Just wild these 6-3 decisions considering the GOP has won the popular vote in a Presidential election exactly once in the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: BrettnotBritt on June 23, 2022, 11:52:40 am
Just wild these 6-3 decisions considering the GOP has won the popular vote in a Presidential election exactly once in the last 30 years.

Minority rule, yay!
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2022, 12:06:48 pm
Just wild these 6-3 decisions considering the GOP has won the popular vote in a Presidential election exactly once in the last 30 years.
don't be hating on them since they know how to play the game under the current rules ;)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2022, 02:27:35 pm
yikes...this is what happens when you think the email lady is the same as some crazy narcissist who could give a fuck about the common person
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 23, 2022, 02:57:54 pm
It's a great day for advocates of murder.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on June 23, 2022, 02:59:37 pm
Well, on the one hand you have a gun. And on the other hand...welp, there's a gun there too.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 23, 2022, 03:04:46 pm
As someone pointed it’s all about States rights… except it’s now it’s Red States dictating what rights Blue States have… 

Say goodbye to environmental protections, public schools, etc etc

Seriously just let Jesusland be a thing and the rest of us can join Canada
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2022, 03:15:49 pm
Part of me “hopes” Roberts negotiated his non deciding vote on a few rulings to get someone on the right to join him in not overturning Roe

But honestly for me these crazy ruling on Gun insanity is so repugnant nothing can make it mildly acceptable but maybe some women might feel different were that so

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on June 23, 2022, 03:21:04 pm
Well, the silver lining is that women could interpret a RvW overturn as a tyrannical government revoking their rights, and they can form a well-regulated militia without fear that anyone will take their guns away...
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2022, 03:24:10 pm
Good point!
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on June 23, 2022, 03:58:33 pm
ZING:

Neal Katyal @neal_katyal (https://mobile.twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1539988629585543169)
Gonna be very weird if Supreme Court ends a constitutional right to obtain an abortion next week, saying it should be left to the States to decide, right after it just imposed a constitutional right to concealed carry of firearms, saying it cannot be left to the States to decide
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2022, 04:19:53 pm
It won’t be weird

They make it up as they go along

Bush v Gore, even before that I think Georgia vs Bowers

I mean the rulings over the years have been beyond ridiculous

People can’t handle this reality

Pluck anyone off the street and they would do better than these political hacks

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2022, 04:20:53 pm
Bowers vs Hardwick I meant
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: vansmack on June 23, 2022, 04:27:43 pm
don't be hating on them since they know how to play the game under the current rules ;)

At his passing, many requests will be made for Mitch McConnell's face to be added to Mt Rushmore.  Smackie guarantees it.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2022, 04:38:37 pm
Well, the silver lining is that women could interpret a RvW overturn as a tyrannical government revoking their rights, and they can form a well-regulated militia without fear that anyone will take their guns away...
didn't see that plot twist
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 23, 2022, 04:41:14 pm
When you read about the ruling on guns today it’s so clear the problem is the Supreme Court…..yet everyone is always blaming the president and congress
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 23, 2022, 05:33:54 pm
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/new-york-gun-law-supreme-court-decision/index.html

They have lost their minds

My wife's response when I asked her if she had heard about this and what her thoughts on it were:

no I didn't hear about this because I've been working at my job all day...
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on June 23, 2022, 05:39:28 pm
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/new-york-gun-law-supreme-court-decision/index.html

They have lost their minds

My wife's response when I asked her if she had heard about this and what her thoughts on it were:

no I didn't hear about this because I've been working at my job all day...

Does she work at the Department of Passive Aggressive Zingers?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 23, 2022, 05:54:28 pm
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/new-york-gun-law-supreme-court-decision/index.html

They have lost their minds

My wife's response when I asked her if she had heard about this and what her thoughts on it were:

no I didn't hear about this because I've been working at my job all day...

Does she work at the Department of Passive Aggressive Zingers?

This happens often when I try to engage in conversation about current events. So yes, she os head of the department.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 23, 2022, 06:09:35 pm
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/new-york-gun-law-supreme-court-decision/index.html

They have lost their minds

My wife's response when I asked her if she had heard about this and what her thoughts on it were:

no I didn't hear about this because I've been working at my job all day...

Does she work at the Department of Passive Aggressive Zingers?

This happens often when I try to engage in conversation about current events. So yes, she os head of the department.
nice, I'm sure she'll love it if you create a badge for her with that title
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on June 24, 2022, 10:14:56 am
Ugh. It is done.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 24, 2022, 10:21:49 am
Barf.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 24, 2022, 10:23:54 am
Ugh. It is done.

next up same sex relationships and marriage, contraception, and gutting the EPA... and once Thomas is off the court inter racial marriage...
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 10:27:51 am
Ugh. It is done.
we knew this was happening..but damn still stings to see it in black and white
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 10:34:11 am
You wanted to hope it was just “one of many drafts circulating to get support”

But no whoever leaked that draft knew it was a done deal and threw a Hail Mary

Nobody caught it.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 10:46:38 am
Ugh. It is done.

next up same sex relationships and marriage, contraception, and gutting the EPA... and once Thomas is off the court inter racial marriage...

Clarence Thomas just filed a concurring opinion to Dobbs calling for the court to consider overturning the right to contraception, same-sex marriage, and privacy in the bedroom.




Also what could someone have done if they caught that hail mary?  I guess congress could have stepped in??
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 10:51:41 am
x
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 10:52:25 am
So many thoughts


It’s almost the culmination and full crystallization of the nightmare of the 2016 election which is going to haunt this country long after we are dead.

Just can’t help but think of all those that argued there was no difference between Trump and Hillary. A special shout out to the Bernie supporters and the media which played up the emails…

Then there is of course the added pathos of RBG who fought for women’s rights for decades and tried to hang on to life falling short by just a few weeks…. Had she only retired…

Apologies for my grammar which is going to hell
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 10:59:00 am
Apologies for my grammar which is going to hell
don't worry, I've cleared this with Saint Peter...not on the long list of things that would deny entrance
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 24, 2022, 11:06:22 am
bottom line is at this point we aren't really living in a democracy at this point..  Citizen's United pretty much proved that... and unless the Dems can retain the house and win seats in the Senate we are truly screwed for years to come... and we have full on fascists who want to be the next president in DeSantis and Abbott

as a CIS White Male most of this is unlikely to affect me yet, but they want to destroy Medicare, etc.  so yeah for aging...
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 11:10:10 am
Wow a 5-4 decision overturning 50 years of precedent on the most divisive of issues with the majority’s third, fourth and fifth votes being all relatively new - one arguably almost a rookie- Trump appointees.

I know it’s happened but wow… it’s a major gut punch.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on June 24, 2022, 11:11:01 am
as a CIS White Male most of this is unlikely to affect me yet

Here's an interesting take on how issues that seemingly don't affect you actually do:
https://twitter.com/racheline_m/status/1538603568751591429?s=20&t=0blkUZhm0gPXxiVTmr_Raw (https://twitter.com/racheline_m/status/1538603568751591429?s=20&t=0blkUZhm0gPXxiVTmr_Raw)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 24, 2022, 11:51:43 am
(https://i.ibb.co/JsrL7Ys/Screen-Shot-2022-06-24-at-11-46-33-AM.png) (https://twitter.com/K_ALICEGREER/status/1540357131345354753)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 11:58:55 am
^that's hysterical

Didn't bob Dylan release Love and theft on 9.11
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: vansmack on June 24, 2022, 01:23:47 pm
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but legally speaking Roe was equal parts brilliant jurisprudence and a patchwork so wrought with holes that it was on shaky ground from day one.  Congresses unwillingness to legislate the right made this outcome inevitable.  The only surprising thing to me was the circumstances that led to a 6-3 majority on the court.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 01:43:30 pm
Damn straight

Fifty years of precedent is not shaky ground!

I really dislike people smugly ascribing some legal rationale to these political hacks.


It is interesting that some reports had the ruling as 5-4 but it was 6-3 (but 5-4 on overturning)

But yeah there are always people happy to congratulate themselves and say they saw it coming and hell, yes, it even makes sense and point the finger at Congress.

We all saw it coming from the minute RBG died because we all knew the ruling would have zero to do with the constitution and everything to do with politics.

And since it’s pure politics (like Bush v Gore) the Supreme Court would have been fine declaring a law passed by Congress on abortion unconstitutional.

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 02:51:35 pm
Ok, I have to snark first
the president and CEO of Dicks is a female!

but I'm glad to see big corporations doing stuff like this
Damn included spouses and dependants!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWB4O5TUsAIY1JX?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 24, 2022, 03:09:51 pm
I'm actually pleasantly surprised that a retail sporting goods company would do this.

I don't expect Bass Pro Shops to follow.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 24, 2022, 03:16:17 pm
Ok, Dick's. Now pull out of anti-abortion states.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on June 24, 2022, 03:44:14 pm
No pun intended?

Ok, Dick's. Now pull out of anti-abortion states.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 04:50:43 pm
No pun intended?

Ok, Dick's. Now pull out of anti-abortion states.
I don't think he meant too...but that's a great pun on this topic

Would make a great head line

Dicks pulls out
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 04:57:47 pm
I will say, while I think it's great the corperations are steping up to the plate to do something to fight this insantiy

this is what I'm hearing...and I agree

David Plouffe@davidplouffe
It is important that so many employers are stating they will cover the cost of travel for employees in states with bans. But talk about a loss of privacy. How fucked up is it that women will now have to file expense reports to their colleagues for their abortion?

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 05:25:20 pm
one thing that always blows my mind is 80 Million eligible American voters just don't vote

we have to find a way to make it simple/fair/verifiable to vote...that 100% should be the #1 priority of every state and local dem parties
it's the most important thing, nothing comes after if we can't fix this
and this is a State thing...not a federal thing, so the effort needs to be well planned as each state has it's own weirdness
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 05:35:47 pm
I would argue the opposite

We desperately need to find a way to make less people vote.

When more people come out to vote you get Trump. In the 1820s we went from having less people to more people vote and the US went from one of our greatest periods to the Jacksonian age and some pretty bad leadership in the 1840s and 50s that led to the civil war.

Unless we can find a way to smarten people up the last thing we need is everyone voting. Have you seen the average American?

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 05:40:08 pm
next you are going to start promoting eugenics
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 05:45:03 pm
No but this is meant to be a republic.

I mean what are you saying? If every person voted it would be a Bernie Sanders paradise?

This is America. Get to know it and accept what is before your eyes. Don’t lie to yourself.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 24, 2022, 07:20:50 pm
What’s odd is democrats have in my lifetime been the “make voting easier and more ubiquitous” and the GOP has tried to make people thread a needle to vote. (Trump famously said “if everyone votes, the Republicans will never win another election.”)

But here we find Starsky, a Dem, with a totally different contrarian view.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: vansmack on June 24, 2022, 07:23:07 pm
But here we find Starsky, a Dem, with a totally different contrarian view.

You find this odd?  If find it on brand.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 24, 2022, 07:28:45 pm
No pun intended?

Ok, Dick's. Now pull out of anti-abortion states.
I don't think he meant too...but that's a great pun on this topic

Would make a great head line

Dicks pulls out
Yes pun intended. Give me some credit man.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 07:38:56 pm
Yes pun intended. Give me some credit man.
Ok, my bad and welll played
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 24, 2022, 08:00:07 pm
But here we find Starsky, a Dem, with a totally different contrarian view.

You find this odd?  If find it on brand.
The Julian voice of reason can only pour it on but so thickly before it seems like a vendetta.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 08:28:54 pm
while I vote Democrat I don’t subscribe to everything the party stands for…the key to winning elections - D or R -is helping those that would vote for you to actually do so….. it’s not helping those that would vote against you to do so…my interest level in helping insurrection supporting deplorables vote is nil

Do we want to win elections, appoint reasonably sane justices and accomplish things or not?

never been convinced that if everyone voted it would benefit democrats or the country. But many Democrats throw that around like gospel with the baby argument that most people that don’t vote are poorer so would vote Democratic but we know this isn’t true. I know of countries were people must vote or face big fines and it hasn’t turned out very well.

We have had very high turnout recently and are getting pretty close to becoming an authoritarian state.

To quote an often used phrase the key toa functioning democracy  is not just the quantity of votes but the quality of the voting


Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 26, 2022, 07:30:41 am
Yikes… white life
https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1540852015693037568
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 27, 2022, 11:10:13 am
“When we think about the United States, we make the essential error of imagining it as a single nation, a marbled mix of Red and Blue people,” Podhorzer writes. “But in truth, we have never been one nation. We are more like a federated republic of two nations: Blue Nation and Red Nation. This is not a metaphor; it is a geographic and historical reality.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/...l-podhorzer-newsletter/661377/

...

It seems unlikely that the Trump-era Republicans installing the policy priorities of their preponderantly white and Christian coalition across the red states will be satisfied just setting the rules in the places now under their control. Podhorzer, like Mason and Grumbach, believes that the MAGA movement’s long-term goal is to tilt the electoral rules in enough states to make winning Congress or the White House almost impossible for Democrats. Then, with support from the GOP-appointed majority on the Supreme Court, Republicans could impose red-state values and programs nationwide, even if most Americans oppose them. The “MAGA movement is not stopping at the borders of the states it already controls,” Podhorzer writes. “It seeks to conquer as much territory as possible by any means possible.”
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 11:45:44 am
If you had asked me a few years ago - say before the Merrick Garland debacle- if Roe v Wade would be overturned I would have said never. Until these wacky set of events starting with Scalia dying suddenly, Trump threading the needle, Kennedy retiring, RBG dying etc I just didn’t see it as possible. I mean of course I knew RBG could die but having these four events take place within four or five years seemed incredibly unlikely but here we are….

I think I and many Americans are in shock at this point and there is just a feeling of powerlessness and inevitability to all of it and it just feels like one is watching a horror movie.


Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 27, 2022, 12:15:44 pm
If you had asked me a few years ago - say before the Merrick Garland debacle- if Roe v Wade would be overturned I would have said never. Until these wacky set of events starting with Scalia dying suddenly, Trump threading the needle, Kennedy retiring, RBG dying etc I just didn’t see it as possible. I mean of course I knew RBG could die but having these four events take place within four or five years seemed incredibly unlikely but here we are….

I think I and many Americans are in shock at this point and there is just a feeling of powerlessness and inevitability to all of it and it just feels like one is watching a horror movie.

Christians would say these minor miracles are all part of God's Plan.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2022, 12:20:42 pm
“It seeks to conquer as much territory as possible by any means possible.”
I 100% believe that is true...they feel like that is what the Dems/liberals are doing to them now and Liberal tears bring them so much joy

Christians would say these minor miracles are all part of God's Plan.
with this reasoning, why do they even need to vote, there is no free will
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on June 27, 2022, 12:44:03 pm
I would argue the opposite

We desperately need to find a way to make less people vote.

reminder: we got rid of trump by getting more people to vote, overall.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2022, 01:27:45 pm
I would argue the opposite

We desperately need to find a way to make less people vote.

reminder: we got rid of trump by getting more people to vote, overall.
is it?
I thought we just rigged the election
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on June 27, 2022, 01:35:23 pm
Shhhh. You're not supposed to say it out loud.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 27, 2022, 01:37:16 pm
I would argue the opposite

We desperately need to find a way to make less people vote.

reminder: we got rid of trump by getting more people to vote, overall.
is it?
I thought we just rigged the election

don't be turning all QOP on us, by saying the quiet parts out loud ;)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 01:42:31 pm
I would argue the opposite

We desperately need to find a way to make less people vote.

reminder: we got rid of trump by getting more people to vote, overall.

No we didn’t

We won cause we got more people to vote in the right places. We happened to have more votes nationwide but that’s irrelevant

As everyone should know by now the popular vote does not determine the winner.

In any case, the constant bellyaching by side vote that if everyone voted all would be hunky dory has worn thin…I been listening to him say this for almost thirty years and there is never one iota of supporting evidence. Let’s have the evidence side vote that if everyone voted the US would be a liberal oasis.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 01:44:07 pm
And one more thing: forcing people to vote does not sit well with me.

Talk about unconstitutional!!
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2022, 01:45:15 pm
No we didn’t

We won cause we got more people to vote in the right places. We happened to have more votes but that’s irrelevant
All the other shit he said was gibberish...but this nailed it 100%
and just barely got the right people in the right places...just barely
was not a mandate by any means.  Popular vote means NOTHING

And one more thing: forcing people to vote does not sit well with me.
I've never advocated this
I do think everyone who is eligible should just get a mailin ballot and then it's up to them
but shouldn't be forced
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 01:47:06 pm
Now I do agree everyone should be automatically registered to vote and voting times should be reasonable in and comparable within voting jurisdictions with national standards. But I think that’s a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 01:50:23 pm
There is nothing I said that is gibberish.

Everyone should vote but if they did we would arguably swing more to the right. Just look at how well Trump did in the last election with all that he had going against him and how much he drove up turnout!

Take away covid or any number of other things and Trump is re-elected in a walk.

Is someone going to say wealthier more educated people tend to disproportionately vote D and the less educated poor who tend to disproportionately vote R somehow evened out D’s would stand a chance?

Of course Democrats have their own poor voting for them but it’s a much smaller set of voters.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2022, 01:53:58 pm
Take away covid or any number of other things and Trump is re-elected in a walk.
take away about 40k people in 3 states and it was trump

the guy got 11million more people to show up the second time around
I think without him on the ballot, lots of them wouldn't show up
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 01:56:43 pm
Right but you want to make it easier for those people to vote!

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2022, 02:01:52 pm
Everyone should vote but if they did we would arguably swing more to the right.
No one thinks this but you. The Democrats think if 100% of eligible voters, vote, it helps Dems. You see this from their efforts to make it easier to vote.

The Republicans think if 100% of eligible voters, vote, it helps Dems. You see this from their efforts to make voting as restrictive as possible.

The Democrats think if the eligible voter pool increases nationwide (felons getting their voting rights back, just rank-and-file unregistered voters sign up holistically) it helps Dems. You see this in their efforts to increase the voter pool.

The Republicans think if the eligible voter pool increases nationwide (felons getting their voting rights back, just rank-and-file unregistered voters sign up holistically) it helps Dems. You see this in their opposition to things like automatic voter registration and automatic restoration of voting rights.

You *may* be correct, but I'm always stunned how being alone on an island on these things never seems to make you reconsider your beliefs. There's a word for people who insist they're right despite every single person telling them they're wrong.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 02:05:25 pm
A contrarían?

That’s right…I am the Salmon

There is nothing worse to me than “conventional wisdom” or just regurgitating what everyone says

The key for Democrats is to make it easier for their supporters to vote without doing so for their opponents. Seems basic but of course it’s unpalatable to say it so we hear and regurgitate all this baloney.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2022, 02:14:02 pm
The key for Democrats is to make it easier for their supporters to vote without doing so for their opponents.
Of course. If every Republican in the country got a flat tire on voting day, that would be super great for Dems, but that isn't what we're talking about.

You're conflating "one side getting the vote out" [in your hypothetical, the GOP] with "everyone voting" which is not the same thing. If we split into 2 alternate universes that are absolutely identical with the exception that one universe has the voting turnout and rules we have now and the second universe has literally every adult over 18 was allowed to vote, automatically registered, and we had 100% turnout, how do you see universe #2's results compared to universe #1's? If you think it helps the GOP, can you explain why?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 02:17:21 pm
I really got to skit but one last thing

Democrats talk so much about people voting…like they won’t shut up about it

But go to most big urban areas and voting is hell. Outdated machines and huge lines election after election. Democrats expect people to wait in line for five hours sometimes in the freezing cold or rain. We see this time and time again in places like Miami, Philly, Atlanta, Detroit! Coincidentally most of these places have been run my Democrats for 50 years?

If we really care about voting like you all say we do couldn’t we at least make it somewhat easier for our natural voting constituencies to vote? Can’t we at least start with that?

But nobody cares or does anything. And we continue with this Pollyanna bull about how we want everyone to vote

Gotta run
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 27, 2022, 02:22:21 pm
But go to most big urban areas and voting is hell. Outdated machines and huge lines election after election. Democrats expect people to wait in line for five hours sometimes in the freezing cold or rain. We see this time and time again in places like Miami, Philly, Atlanta, Detroit! Coincidentally most of these places have been run my Democrats for 50 years?
You're very much showing your ass on this topic. Miami doesn't get to decide how many polling places they have and when to spend money on new machines -- these elections are overseen and funded at the state level where the GOP holds most the executive branches (including critically in most of the states of the cities you list, the Secretary of State's office) and VERY INTENTIONALLY try to make it much harder for urban population centers to vote. Remember those stories in 2020 about exactly one place to early vote in the entire county that included Houston, America's 4th largest city? That's why! The GOP powers that be that control the state designed the precincts this way and try to restrict early voting which would cut down on giant lines that are designed to incentivize people to give up and leave. Same goes for Atlanta/Georgia!

Perhaps you should stick to music trivia and accumulating scooters and stop lecturing the adults on topics you don't know jackshit about.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Starsky on June 27, 2022, 02:34:58 pm
Hey Jackie, don’t insult me Fuckface! Not in the mood

But you are wrong! This doesn’t happen just in states that D never have positions in power to control the electoral process. I mean there have been times Democrats have had control over local elections and they just don’t fix the problem

Sure Republicans are up to hanky Panky but even in DC voting is not as easy as many other non urban places?

But yeah you want to talk respectfully fine. You want to just insult go fuck yourself

Democrats talk a big game but there have been plenty of Democrats in control of VA and voting is not the same in Richmond as other parts. You know that
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on June 27, 2022, 02:43:15 pm
Deep cleansing breaths everyone.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 27, 2022, 02:49:50 pm
But go to most big urban areas and voting is hell. Outdated machines and huge lines election after election. Democrats expect people to wait in line for five hours sometimes in the freezing cold or rain. We see this time and time again in places like Miami, Philly, Atlanta, Detroit! Coincidentally most of these places have been run my Democrats for 50 years?
You're very much showing your ass on this topic. Miami doesn't get to decide how many polling places they have and when to spend money on new machines -- these elections are overseen and funded at the state level where the GOP holds most the executive branches (including critically in most of the states of the cities you list, the Secretary of State's office) and VERY INTENTIONALLY try to make it much harder for urban population centers to vote. Remember those stories in 2020 about exactly one place to early vote in the entire county that included Houston, America's 4th largest city? That's why! The GOP powers that be that control the state designed the precincts this way and try to restrict early voting which would cut down on giant lines that are designed to incentivize people to give up and leave. Same goes for Atlanta/Georgia!

Perhaps you should stick to music trivia and accumulating scooters and stop lecturing the adults on topics you don't know jackshit about.

A+. Hearkening back to the glory days of the forum with that vitriolic rant.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2022, 02:55:46 pm
I am the Salmon
coo coo ca-choo

I will say one thing that I give starsky credit for is the Hispanic vote

I think it was assumed they were bankable dem votes...really not turning out to be the case
I'm waiting for the GOP to start embracing the caravan and yelling 'tear down that wall'
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on June 27, 2022, 04:06:12 pm
all this talk about goosing your own side's vote, and suppressing the other side's vote is patently undemocratic.  this is where our democracy is at - SAD.

what ever happened to needing to get the middle & independents on your side in order to win?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on June 27, 2022, 04:12:06 pm
(https://i.redd.it/34vohlsply791.jpg)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 27, 2022, 04:16:59 pm
what ever happened to needing to get the middle & independents on your side in order to win?
they no longer exist or don't vote
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 28, 2022, 06:10:45 am
https://apnews.com/e50db07385831e67f866ec45402be8b9

More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration

Although….

At least some of the newly registered Republicans are actually Democrats who crossed over to vote against Trump-backed candidates in GOP primaries. Such voters are likely to vote Democratic again this November.



Edit- this should have gone in the dems in disarray thread :(
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 28, 2022, 10:26:38 am
all this talk about goosing your own side's vote, and suppressing the other side's vote is patently undemocratic.
Yeah we goose it a little bit. It’s an old circus term. Goose suit.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 28, 2022, 10:32:39 am
. Goose suit.
this is what I imagine Jules is thinking..(https://i.etsystatic.com/34901791/r/il/8b5655/3883212755/il_794xN.3883212755_17bw.jpg)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 28, 2022, 10:36:57 am
Democrats talk a big game but there have been plenty of Democrats in control of VA a
Correct me if I'm wrong...but in the entire 30 years I've been in this area...the dems had 'control' in the state legislature only for a brief time
and even then, barely got anything to stick long term

Maybe a few governors and certainly a few senators...but those don't help when it comes to how voting is done in VA


with headlines like this, I can't imagine I'm off on this thought
Virginia Democrats take control of state legislature for first time in over two decades
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 28, 2022, 10:44:15 am
. Goose suit.
this is what I imagine Jules is thinking..(https://i.etsystatic.com/34901791/r/il/8b5655/3883212755/il_794xN.3883212755_17bw.jpg)
(https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/union/2021/07/14/Screen-Shot-2021-07-14-at-11.21.56-AM.369178cb.png)Look at this crop.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 29, 2022, 12:06:31 pm
Congrats to certain 2016 voters, you have now helped to create a legislative body of six...

Today's SCOTUS ruling states that States now have jurisdiction over certain crimes in Indian Country by judicial fiat, despite hundreds of years of congressional action, against solid #SCOTUS precedent, and hundreds of years of history.

https://twitter.com/MaggieBlackhawk/status/1542147095750213633?s=20&t=Cnk7d2yyc2Kama6D7xIxig

EPA we hardly knew you...  Hello pollution, etc, etc  in red states!!!

Up next the now an evitable  litany of conservative wet dream policies to be put in place and rubber stamped by six people



Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on June 29, 2022, 12:26:54 pm
Breyer leaves tomorrow.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 29, 2022, 01:59:32 pm
Interesting....
Congress set the number of justices on the Supreme Court in 1869 at nine to match the number of circuits in the federal court system.
 
Guess how many circuit courts there are today?


13
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 30, 2022, 10:39:30 am
SCOTUS rules in favor of Greenhouse Gases and then throw Biden a bone regarding his ending of the "Remain in Mexico" policy... Biden can and did act properly to end said 45** policy

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 30, 2022, 12:34:01 pm
changing my user name to Eeyore

Minority rule could be on it's way!!!

JUST IN: The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case that involves the independent legislature doctrine. That is the feverish idea that state legislatures should have unfettered control over how elections are run and regulated.


https://twitter.com/boltsmag/status/1542527685498486784?s=20&t=MOFOxNoLU60oTpiqQyNkhQ

"The doctrine, if adopted, would provide new legal cover for Republicans to use their vast powers in states to subvert elections, shield aggressive gerrymanders, and restrict access to the vote in Democratic strongholds at the local level,"

among other things this would allow state legislations to go around their state courts

YIPPEE

at least i can stream music from a French company
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on June 30, 2022, 12:43:53 pm
at least i can stream music from a French company

for now
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2022, 12:46:19 pm
yikes...but States run elections, not the federal gov't
it's caused LOTS of problems, but I don't think the Federal Gov't is the solution
I don't have a good answer, but I think we need to as the GQP wants to make it absurd


although...he is not wrong
Michael Harriot@michaelharriot
Slavery, segregation, voting rights, gerrymandering and abortion all have one thing in common:

“States rights.”

Since the first draft of the constitution, “Leave it up to the states” has been code for “Leave it up to the racists.”
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 30, 2022, 12:58:26 pm
Yes States run re-elections but this case is whether or not State Legislatures can do an end run around that States Courts...

i guess a scenario would be... Further restrictions would be placed by a State Legislature that is QOP controlled, but that state's courts lean liberal.. by this doctrine no one could bring a lawsuit in that State Court to challenge that restriction

shit is complicated and it makes my head hurt, but it's yet another minority rule fever dream likely rubberstamped by the current court...
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 30, 2022, 10:31:04 pm
https://jezebel.com/biden-set-to-appoint-anti-abortion-kentucky-judge-to-li-1849126339

What's he thinking with this one?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2022, 11:26:11 pm
That no one will notice

You have to give a little to get anything
They are not honest brokers is the issue
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 01, 2022, 08:51:45 am
https://jezebel.com/biden-set-to-appoint-anti-abortion-kentucky-judge-to-li-1849126339

What's he thinking with this one?

This what I was referring to as rapidly spreading misinformation about Biden. Apparently, whom ever made this initial report has walked this back. But, it didn't stop any of a number of outlets to post sensational click bait headlines about the story..  it's all about the clicks without doing the due diligence on a story.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: vansmack on July 02, 2022, 04:26:10 pm
This is an absurd request, especially after the football coach decision on first amendment rights:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/02/politics/supreme-court-justices-homes-maryland/index.html
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 05, 2022, 02:11:49 pm
Hogan goes full Republican....

"In light of a recent Supreme Court ruling and to ensure compliance with the Constitution, I am directing the Maryland State Police to suspend utilization of the ‘good and substantial reason’ standard when reviewing applications for Wear and Carry Permits."

so much fuckery because of a poor written statement.. as someone pointed it's virtually impossible to update the US constitution, like other developed democracies..

 >:(
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2022, 02:14:54 pm
so I think a 'reason' for owning the gun is a weird thing and I don't think that has to be a part of why you are getting a gun

Background checks and red flag laws yes, but a 'reason' just seems silly and I'm sure all you need to say is "for protection'
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on July 05, 2022, 02:25:28 pm
so I think a 'reason' for owning the gun is a weird thing and I don't think that has to be a part of why you are getting a gun

Background checks and red flag laws yes, but a 'reason' just seems silly and I'm sure all you need to say is "for protection'

i can assure you this is a uniquely american point of view.  in every other western country i'm aware of, you can't just buy a high-powered gun - especially handguns - without providing a valid reason.  "personal protection", without being able to identify a specific threat, doesn't cut it. 

for folks from other countries, it's bewildering how normalized gun ownership is in the US.  but here we are.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2022, 02:34:38 pm
well I get that...but we are discussing how we do things in the US, so doesn't really matter what they do in Siam

also try as we might, I think putting the genie back in the bottle is impossible

we need to focus on getting some gun safety laws passed and not dither on the fringes of what would be the 'perfect solution'

of all the things we are going to parse, that people have to put a 'reason' seems like the most useless one out there
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on July 05, 2022, 03:39:21 pm
well I get that...but we are discussing how we do things in the US, so doesn't really matter what they do in Siam

This may be the stupidest thing I've read on this board.

Other countries are case studies on what works and what doesn't. American exceptionalism doesn't apply. We're doing it wrong here.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on July 05, 2022, 03:56:52 pm
well I get that...but we are discussing how we do things in the US, so doesn't really matter what they do in Siam

This may be the stupidest thing I've read on this board.

Other countries are case studies on what works and what doesn't. American exceptionalism doesn't apply. We're doing it wrong here.

Did Yada seund you that app that lets you ignore all of MY posts?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2022, 05:21:19 pm
^well played space, and thanks for taking that bullet (no pun intended)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 05, 2022, 05:33:11 pm
well I get that...but we are discussing how we do things in the US, so doesn't really matter what they do in Siam

This may be the stupidest thing I've read on this board.

Other countries are case studies on what works and what doesn't. American exceptionalism doesn't apply. We're doing it wrong here.
I mean, makes a great bumper sticker for your prius, but can we work in reality of what actually exists here in the US
personally I think the take that 'they don't do it in any other county' is kind of a stupid take when you think of how the majority of americans think and vote
I mean, that take really got Universal Heath Care passed, whew

Lets be clear, I fucking hate guns and IMO think they pretty much should be outlawed in the US...but I know that's about as likely as me getting laid by a purple unicorn, so I work in reality

this is the MOST minor thing when it comes to gun safety in the US (the reason someone puts on a form, jez talk about something that does nothing)

Things like you need labiality insurance for every gun you own
Red flag laws
Restriction on age (wouldn't have helped in Highland sadly)
Gun show/private sales...pretty much illegal
While I agree a hand gun is a high powered killing machine, I think we need to start at the AR-class of weapons, they are overwhelmingly used in mass shootings
can't have bazookas or tanks, why should you have this class of weapon, period

will that solve all the problems, no
but almost everyone of these shootings were done with weapons purchased legally...and to me that is where the change has to happen

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on July 05, 2022, 06:10:46 pm
Hogan goes full Republican....

"In light of a recent Supreme Court ruling and to ensure compliance with the Constitution, I am directing the Maryland State Police to suspend utilization of the ‘good and substantial reason’ standard when reviewing applications for Wear and Carry Permits."

so I think a 'reason' for owning the gun is a weird thing and I don't think that has to be a part of why you are getting a gun

quote 1 + quote 2 + some wishful thinking = maybe this is hogan's way of showing that MD will do "something", but which is in fact nothing.  they didn't care about the reason before, and now they won't care about it in keeping with the SC ruling - but nothing actually changes.  i'll take off my rose-colored glasses now...
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on July 06, 2022, 08:25:30 am
Pot, porn, video games, SSRIs, too many doors, too few doors, a locked door, an unlocked door, his father’s uncle’s mother’s cat that bit him once, New Coke, Tide pods, the last season of Game of Thrones… they’ll blame motherfucking Caillou before they ever, ever blame the guns.

https://twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1544653926640787457?t=i2ghjbp5RtHyRkU_vZL7Yw&s=09
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 11, 2022, 10:45:43 am
Hail Satan
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/293016320_4906391039466970_1352249615164624175_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=y0-9RKk-2N0AX_AvWEA&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AT99okCQz_tzgROlgsgCFB80nVYx4EdXWH3xIdjpubUofQ&oe=62D0B747)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on July 11, 2022, 11:44:29 am
^ excellent.  i've been wanting to do the same.  muslims need to get on this program too.  let's see how long this "religious freedom" lasts.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 12, 2022, 10:27:55 am
so this happened yesterday
 President Biden just announced that Medicare facilities will be required to perform abortions that save the mother’s life *regardless of state law*

Seems like a pretty big deal
I mean their are Medicare Facilities all over the US, so these states...will they be able to block this?
I assume this will probably make it to the SCOTUS as some red staters must be losing their shit over this

I thought the reservations was a good idea, but honestly they are typically in remote hard to get to places, so didn't seem that helpful for most in red states


Just read this too
@ArielKelley
This also includes hospitals that take Medicaid.
but the key takeaway is this is only in Emergency circumstances
that's still a pretty big deal as in some of these states it's getting crazy
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 12, 2022, 10:33:37 am
I have been saying he needs to explore what he can do be CMS fiat since the decision first leaked.

This is, of course, (at best) a thing that will get turned on and off with every change in administration.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 12, 2022, 10:48:29 am
be CMS fiat
in English please?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 12, 2022, 10:53:33 am
be CMS fiat
in English please?
*by CMS fiat

CMS = centers for medicare and medicaid services

fiat = an arbitrary order
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 12, 2022, 11:42:17 am
thank you
was like what would a Content Management System and an Italian car maker have to do with this
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on July 12, 2022, 02:06:19 pm

CMS = centers for medicare and medicaid services

fiat = an arbitrary order

Not fiat, just a reminder of the law.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 23, 2022, 06:53:22 am
The Supreme Court building is the new Trump hotel. Everyone stops to flip it off.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 26, 2022, 10:56:00 pm
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1552043044295380994?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on July 28, 2022, 01:08:27 am
Democrats introduce bill to enact term limits for Supreme Court justices (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3575349-democrats-introduce-bill-to-enact-term-limits-for-supreme-court-justices/)
 
nice idea... no viability. 
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 20, 2022, 05:56:10 pm
ACB FTW?!?

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett *DENIES* conservative Wisconsin taxpayers group's attempt to block Biden's student debt relief
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 22, 2022, 09:22:46 pm
So much for the “compromised justices” theory


The Supreme Court just said that trump has to hand over his tax returns to Congress
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 22, 2022, 10:09:32 pm
So much for the “compromised justices” theory


The Supreme Court just said that trump has to hand over his tax returns to Congress

What did Alito and Thomas say?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on November 22, 2022, 10:13:45 pm
So much for the “compromised justices” theory


The Supreme Court just said that trump has to hand over his tax returns to Congress

What did Alito and Thomas say?

"I wanna see them too!"
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 22, 2022, 10:37:56 pm
The Supreme Court just said that trump has to hand over his tax returns to Congress

not exactly - the ruling was that the IRS can release trump's tax forms (https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/politics/supreme-court-clears-way-for-house-to-get-trumps-taxes/index.html) to the House's ways & means cmte.  and thank goodness for that - if trump himself was responsible for handing over the paperwork, it would be the same ol' song and (not) dance...

trump also took a big fat L on his "arguments" in favor of the appointment of the special master (https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/politics/appeals-court-trump-doj-mar-a-lago-docs/index.html) over the docs seized at mar-a-lardo.  tough day for the cheeto mussolini...
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on November 25, 2022, 08:10:31 pm
I mean, wutthafuggahyagonnado?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2022, 03:16:53 pm
 Alito suggests that if the LGBT+ community wants equality — a Black Santa should be forced to take pictures with kids dressed in KKK robes.

YOWZA!
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on December 05, 2022, 04:01:16 pm
wow... just wow.

it's amazing how comfortable folks have become saying the quiet parts out loud.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on January 21, 2023, 06:04:20 pm
so apparently a secretly-made documentary about Brett Kavanaugh was premiered at Sundance.  it dives into the sexual assault allegations against him, including stories that he & his friends drugged and gang-(assaulted) ladies in college.  also goes into how the Justice Dept. deferred to the White House's "suggestions" of what should, and shouldn't, have been investigated during his confirmation hearings.  sounds like this movie might kick up some dust...

Sundance Surprise Movie ‘Justice’ Reveals More About Brett Kavanaugh Sexual Assault Allegations (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-documentary-justice-sundance-film-festival-premiere-1235497169/)

‘I hope this triggers outrage’: surprise Brett Kavanaugh documentary premieres at Sundance (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jan/21/brett-kavanaugh-documentary-sundance-film-festival)


i do believe the correct response here involves popcorn...
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 06, 2023, 02:46:37 pm
didn't see that coming

 Supreme Court rules West Virginia transgender athletes can compete on female sports teams https://
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Hutch on June 27, 2023, 12:10:23 pm
Thank baby Jesus

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-rules-republicans-north-carolina-elections-dispute-rcna68630
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Hutch on June 29, 2023, 11:37:32 am
Affirmative action in college admissions struck down by Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 29, 2023, 12:13:50 pm
Affirmative action in college admissions struck down by Supreme Court.

My wife and daughter just jumped for joy.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Hutch on June 29, 2023, 12:27:13 pm
I hate selfishness…as a basis for what’s right and wrong

But I do think affirmative action in college admissions is dicey….I can’t and never have been able to stomach it much

There has to be a better way but of course many people who use their own personal interest as a basis for what’s right and wrong will oppose anything that benefits a group they are not part of…I can’t see people who oppose affirmative action supporting reparations! Or support devoting far more resources to school districts in poorer black areas than richer white areas…

Yet, a terrible wrong was (and in less dramatic fashion continues to be) done to a group of Americans. How can a very wealthy society not attempt to redress this?



Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: nkotb on June 29, 2023, 12:30:33 pm
Turns out, pretty easily!

How can a very wealthy society not attempt to redress this?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 29, 2023, 12:44:45 pm
I hate selfishness…as a basis for what’s right and wrong

But I do think affirmative action in college admissions is dicey….I can’t and never have been able to stomach it much

There has to be a better way but of course many people who use their own personal interest as a basis for what’s right and wrong will oppose anything that benefits a group they are not part of…I can’t see people who oppose affirmative action supporting reparations! Or support devoting far more resources to school districts in poorer black areas than richer white areas…

Yet, a terrible wrong was (and in less dramatic fashion continues to be) done to a group of Americans. How can a very wealthy society not attempt to redress this?

How about the schools in poor white areas?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Hutch on June 29, 2023, 12:49:02 pm
No interest in debating with you cause I know your thinking…

The black experience being forcibly removed from their homes, enslaved, raped, separated from families, and endless horrors cannot be compared to that of white people. Not to mention hundreds of years of ongoing discrimination. It is not in the same universe of injustice. If you don’t see or recognize that I feel very sorry for you.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 29, 2023, 03:43:32 pm
No interest in debating with you cause I know your thinking…

The black experience being forcibly removed from their homes, enslaved, raped, separated from families, and endless horrors cannot be compared to that of white people. Not to mention hundreds of years of ongoing discrimination. It is not in the same universe of injustice. If you don’t see or recognize that I feel very sorry for you.

Hundreds of years ago at this point. I know Black people who were raised in much greater comfort than either my wife or I. Should my kid get college preference because my grandfather was forced to drop out of school in the second grade to work in the cotton fields? I don't think so. But neither should the Black kid whose grampa was a doctor.

Seemingly most Democrats would agree with this decision. https://twitter.com/bungarsargon/status/1674420245371715586?t=9QEez4pM8QhYBDYIi0nLGQ&s=19
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Hutch on June 29, 2023, 03:56:00 pm
Yawn

Yes Space it’s all about you, grandpa and your daughter.

Did you even read what I wrote?

1.  I said I am not really in favor of affirmative action in college admissions and never have been.

2. I said the horrors committed against black peoples is a whole different order of injustice.

Literally you apparently can’t read before regurgitating the boilerplate that makes you feel holier than thou.



Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 29, 2023, 05:27:28 pm
My apologies for conflating you with certain (rich, white, liberal) Facebook friends who are losing their shit over this.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Yada on June 29, 2023, 08:13:21 pm
Nice to see Space enjoying his European vacation so much that he even has time to troll the nets from afar.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on June 29, 2023, 08:21:09 pm
Maybe I’m a loon but I think both space and hutch are right. Space is saying affirmative action is imperfect and needs to be applied more broadly. That is correct. Hutch is saying affirmative action is essential. That is also correct.

Affirmative action — as it has been applied for decades — is an imperfect tool. It should include poor people of any race. It should include many other groups that don’t fit the narrow defined goal of diversity it includes. But being imperfect doesn’t mean we should throw it out; it needs iterated upon.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on June 30, 2023, 01:43:32 am
Affirmative action — as it has been applied for decades — is an imperfect tool. It should include poor people of any race. It should include many other groups that don’t fit the narrow defined goal of diversity it includes. But being imperfect doesn’t mean we should throw it out; it needs iterated upon.

this, this, a thousand times this.

if affirmative action doesn't make sufficient provisions for {insert "new" disadvantaged group's name here}, then let's expand AA until they are included.  justice is in no way served - in fact it's harmed - by taking provisions away from [insert "currently recognized" disadvantaged group's name here]. what did that skinny dude say about an eye for an eye?...

(aside: americans have this really, really weird obsession with ensuring that disadvantaged groups "don't get too much"... all the while turning a blind eye to the rich taking waaaaaay more than their share in ever more novel ways.  a billionaire using government "loans" to enrich themselves? no problemo!  someone on welfare getting an extra $40 a month in food stamps?  OFF WITH THEIR HEADS.)
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Hutch on June 30, 2023, 08:45:13 am
We are conflating different issues here…. I am talking about a historic wrong committed against black Americans that requires redress. America’s original sin.

I am not talking about all the problems and imperfections with America many of which I also would in an ideal world like to address.

The issue with affirmative action in college admissions is it’s generally too late and affects too few and is counterproductive. Invest in the education of black Americans early so that higher numbers get into college on their merits. AOC made a reasonable point about how this ruling won’t affect “legacy admissions.” They should be eliminated to free up slots for more to be admitted based on merit.

I am typing on my phone and it’s a pain…Does anyone else type their posts on their phone?

Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Yada on June 30, 2023, 08:57:04 am


I am typing on my phone and it’s a pain…Does anyone else type their posts on their phone?

Space from Lisbon while wearing readers.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Hutch on June 30, 2023, 09:20:15 am
Oh no
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Hutch on June 30, 2023, 01:21:01 pm
student loan forgiveness struck down

Never had a chance
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 30, 2023, 02:16:52 pm
Some well said things in my absence.

Also, I don't have readers. Or those graduated glasses  I just pull down my glasses ab put the phone close to my face. Itsy not a good look. And typing on rhe phone sucks ass. Though i would imagine it's easier with a hutch's thin fingers than my fat ones.

Also, I am currently in the only location in Europe where thy grow pineapple. I haven't been to Ireland, but this place reminds me of what I think Ireland is like
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on June 30, 2023, 02:23:01 pm
ireland is in fact well-known for its pineapples.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 30, 2023, 03:06:40 pm
hmm...this could be interesting

The Senate Judiciary Committee has just voted to approve subpoenas for conservative activist Leonard Leo and GOP megadonor Harlan Crow in its Supreme Court ethics probe
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Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 30, 2023, 07:51:58 pm
clarence thomas is about to go through some things.
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on March 04, 2024, 11:33:06 pm
Even with my trump distain
 I agree with the court




Also
clarence thomas is about y to go through some things.
How's this working out
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: Space Freely on March 05, 2024, 09:15:43 am
clarence thomas is about to go through some things.

Did he take John Oliver's offer yet?
Title: Re: Official 930 Supreme Court thread
Post by: grateful on March 05, 2024, 10:26:26 am
clarence thomas is about to go through some things.

Did he take John Oliver's offer yet?

Not as of the Sunday episode.