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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sweetcell on February 24, 2022, 01:59:22 pm
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Do we need a Russia/Ukraine/WWIII thread?
where was that a headline?
but yes, we do
it brings me absolutely no joy to start this thread.
i guess this post has a home now:
since we don't have a "dystopian nightmare headlines" thread, i guess i'll drop this here:
Putin calls for the "demilitarization" of Ukraine after announcing military action in Donbas (https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-23-22/h_0a25f82dbcd2c593c00a857873bf2723)
sooooo... how's that "demilitarization of Ukraine" going?
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Sad day
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devastating
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russians now have control of Chernobyl nuclear plant, after some heavy fighting.
what could go wrong?
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russians now have control of Chernobyl nuclear plant, after some heavy fighting.
what could go wrong?
Wait I had no idea Chernobyl was Ukrainian
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(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274545952_10158400239286712_5493506540730971468_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeFu-1o6EKlziWcVNrperdsI-hUZMKlbpcf6FRkwqVulx0CLs56j_C0P4d8SNDQOAQI&_nc_ohc=fzQ9DC6lKTAAX_MKyhY&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AT-gcPAN-bGTS8DovpZ3qKccVHUHL8JGWib6j1TBRYHuXg&oe=621D56DF)
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russians now have control of Chernobyl nuclear plant, after some heavy fighting.
what could go wrong?
Wait I had no idea Chernobyl was Ukrainian
yes, chernobyl is in ukraine. the disaster occurred in 1986, back when ukraine was an unwilling member of the USSR. moscow made all the decisions, including denying the disaster happened for 3 days while a deadly radiation cloud hung over europe. they didn't care that people were dying, they needed to maintain a narrative.
denying disasters in favor of a narrative seems to be a specialty.
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Russia Ukraine war: Putin's troops seize Chernobyl and take staff hostage (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-russia-ukraine-war-putins-26322860)
"The condition of the facilities of the former Chernobyl nuclear power plant is unknown. This is one of the most serious problems in Europe today. It is impossible to say that the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is safe."
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russians now have control of Chernobyl nuclear plant, after some heavy fighting.
what could go wrong?
Wait I had no idea Chernobyl was Ukrainian
yes, chernobyl is in ukraine. the disaster occurred in 1986, back when ukraine was an unwilling member of the USSR. moscow made all the decisions, including denying the disaster happened for 3 days while a deadly radiation cloud hung over europe. they didn't care that people were dying, they needed to maintain a narrative.
denying disasters in favor of a narrative seems to be a specialty.
Yeah, I have HBO and like the dude who played Lane Price on Mad Men as well, pal.
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I admittedly didn't think anything happened at chernobyl in 30 Years... why is it being seized?
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I admittedly didn't think anything happened at chernobyl in 30 Years... why is it being seized?
the whole of ukraine is being seized. chernobyl is in ukraine. ergo...
the russians are taking control of all infrastructure: airports, power stations, water treatment, communications... chernobyl is noteworthy because of the risk, and historical memories, it represents. just raises a lot of alarms. the russians have taken the workers there hostage since the invaders don't know how to run the joint anymore.
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“de-Nazification”.
Really?
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No. No, we don't need this thread.
The, end.
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All my life it’s been Kiev
Now it’s Kyiv?
What a crummy situation
Of course we - the US and allies- would like to help but if we put boots on the ground in Ukraine 🇺🇦 Putin will start lobbing nukes
The whole thing could have been different if we had let Ukraine keep the Soviet nukes they inherited but we -along with Russia- made them get rid of them… If Ukraine had a bunch of nukes pointing at St Petersburg and Moscow I doubt Putin could have invaded
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Per the BBC and NPR
Kiev is the Russian Spelling\Pronunciation
Kyiv is the Ukrainian Spelling\Pronunciation
https://twitter.com/RichPreston/status/1497145935771619329?s=20&t=Cu5TIn5HO6k3mZdM3k14lw
obviously Ukrainian's prefer Kyiv
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Is it really that simple?
Ukraine has been independent for over thirty years…. Including high profile events like the Orange Revolution… I don’t recall the Kyiv nomenclature but it’s possible I missed it
Don’t most Ukrainians speak Russian?
I doubt Ukrainians in the eastern part of the country prefer Kyiv…
But go Kyiv!
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I was also unaware of the new spelling of Kiev.
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this isn't really that new, this discussion came up during the QPQ with Trump and a lot of people were saying that should be Kyiv
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It was only recently in 2019 that both NPR and BBC made the official decision to switch to the Ukrainian spelling and pronunciation.
good overview of the issue
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075357281/how-do-you-pronounce-kyiv
The other spelling has been out there for years, it just didn't have the Gallagher Brothers publicist working on it's behalf...
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Works for me!
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Peep sideborscht dropping kiev knowledge.
Also...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaZXFKLNoo8/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Peep sideborscht dropping kiev knowledge.
Also...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaZXFKLNoo8/?utm_medium=copy_link
I actually posted something about this last night
been hearing lots of conflicting stories about this...so pulled my post and replaced it with the Denazification post
now this is a good ideaUkraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia (https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698601)
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also the russian\ukrainian spellings haven't changed...
it just the Ukrainian's have been pushing how the it's spelled in pesky Latin Letters
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“How the it’s spelled”
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“How the it’s spelled”
it's friday what do you expect...
also realizing there is a ton of misinformation out there, one can hope this transcript of this interaction is accurate...
https://twitter.com/FutureBoy/status/1496999905839050757?s=20&t=Cu5TIn5HO6k3mZdM3k14lw
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https://twitter.com/FutureBoy/status/1496999905839050757?s=20&t=Cu5TIn5HO6k3mZdM3k14lw
SO badass.
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Definitely very badass
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I hope they fight like their lives and those of their children depend on it cause they do
The more fight they show the more pressure on the rest of the world to do something…exactly what can be done seems unclear to me
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/
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let's be clear: those men that are being conscripted, along with the existing ukrainian army, are not going to win. they are, for the most part, going to die. russian soldiers don't care if they are being shot at by 60 year old man with a hunting rifle that is even older than he is, or some volunteer babushka with malfunctioning kalashnikovs- they're all toast. and they know it. as a certain cheerleader would say, "sad."
Gen. Patton said "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." congrats, mr putin.
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True but either you fight or you don’t. Either you stand up or you don’t. If the Ukrainians don’t fight nobody is going to fight with them.
I been reading about the history of the Ukraine. It’s interesting. It really has been a part of Russia for most of the past 1000 years.
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https://www.the-sun.com/news/4771553/ukrainian-soldier-dies-blowing-up-bridge-russian-tanks/
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Is he really gaining in popularity?
I hate polls and the hill is clearly right leaning
NEW POLL: 62 percent of voters say Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump were president hill.cm/NfIWsOw
I’m still shocked by how blatant some of the support for Russia out of people who work for our government
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That is a grade A Badass response
New @AP reporting tonight: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was asked to evacuate Kyiv at the behest of the U.S. government but turned down the offer. An American official tells me Zelenskyy said, “The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.”
#fuckrussiaANDallthosewhosupportthem
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And can we give a round of applause for Russia?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1497407269587206144
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How many leaders of countries have this in their portfolio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOSrw9Q8rc
Oh and in useless gestures
Va ABCs stop selling Russian vodka
https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/virginia-abc-to-pull-all-russian-made-brands
Although you can still buy Stolichnaya and Smirnoff.
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How many leaders of countries have this in their portfolio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOSrw9Q8rc
Oh and in useless gestures
Va ABCs stop selling Russian vodka
https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/virginia-abc-to-pull-all-russian-made-brands
Although you can still buy Stolichnaya and Smirnoff.
People are vandalizing Russia House as well (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/02/26/windows-are-broken-at-russia-themed-restaurant-here/)
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Between towing russian tanks with tractors and carrying live mines across the road the Ukrainians are sure show their mettle.
and now they posting videos on how to drive a russian tank
https://twitter.com/AsaadHannaa/status/1498343442316996614?s=20&t=c4ozS4WeA4IPoDkolg-yog
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more awesomeness from the Ukrainians
https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1498360463469555712?s=20&t=c4ozS4WeA4IPoDkolg-yog
Ukraine's highway authorities are busy removing road signs to disorientate Russian invaders. They are being charactistically creative with replacement signs, of course
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more awesomeness from the Ukrainians
https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1498360463469555712?s=20&t=c4ozS4WeA4IPoDkolg-yog (https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1498360463469555712?s=20&t=c4ozS4WeA4IPoDkolg-yog)
Ukraine's highway authorities are busy removing road signs to disorientate Russian invaders.
i 1000% support anything the Ukies can do to stop, or at least delay, putin's horde of monsters. however, i doubt that changing road signs will have much impact. they have GPS, they have the russian equivalent of GPS, they have google maps... removing road signs is a relic of WW2.
They are being charactistically creative with replacement signs, of course
i like the "no putin" sign, as it might contribute, however slightly, to demoralization of the russians.
there was another similar post i saw where someone mocked up a trio of signs, in Ukrainian:
- straight ahead: FUCK OFF
- right turn: FUCK OFF SOME MORE
- left turn: FUCK OFF BACK TO RUSSIA
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Luckily, Vlad is still practicing social distancing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/photos-putin-keeps-his-distance-during-meetings-194633383.html
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^^wonder if he is worried someone will poison him (putin)?
In light of current events, we have no choice but to cancel our shows in Russia and Ukraine which were due to take place this summer.
Our thoughts and love go out to the brave people of Ukraine, their heroic leader, and all those suffering from this senseless war.
Ukraine, we stand with you, and with all those in Russia who oppose this brutal act, and we pray that this madness is brought to a close soon.
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=511290970363261&id=100044470867962&m_entstream_source=timeline
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(https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275130719_2121583804668572_2475465901211692530_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=w5Rd1rqBPCMAX8pyYEm&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AT9lmAV1bZbS0L-HQ6g4onPqTXg38LWXjl9qh1xSIcrr_w&oe=6222CA51)
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Can confirm
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^ really cool... thank you anthem/seth/IMP.
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10-20 year war?
Damn
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/russia-ukraine-news-kyiv-war-putin-invasion-talks-today/#post-update-8de46653
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https://twitter.com/neilphauer/status/1498931856904962048?s=21
New road signs for the Russian invaders in Ukraine: all roads lead to the Hague
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Lots of misinformation of course, but I’ve seen that the Russian tanks don’t in fact have satnav and they rely on outdated maps.. so messing around with road signs can produce results
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(https://scontent.fphl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275079116_10224938280937492_4234874762685490724_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=xnR76fHwmI4AX8Ge2Vv&_nc_ht=scontent.fphl1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8J7uw_-IuLSzv17GMsqF1jl6TqoOiR4jeiZFpvDKWyBg&oe=62259B72)
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love it - even the Galactic Empire can't hang with this war.
however, not sure about that blue arrow so here's a clean version:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVlOcZcU8AA_NSH.jpg)
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however, not sure about that blue arrow so here's a clean version:
I know...I was really annoyed by that, not at all something he would do and how could you miss the OP
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Lots of misinformation of course, but I’ve seen that the Russian tanks don’t in fact have satnav and they rely on outdated maps.. so messing around with road signs can produce results
and smartphones, and/or getting a map from a gas station, is beyond their reach? maybe i'm overestimating the russian army.
yes, that's it.
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On rt 66 in VA
(https://scontent.fphl1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275129053_10225240985845436_6063896666881845287_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=DLmSkp8O6vUAX9kKZRG&_nc_ht=scontent.fphl1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_Trabn3usk6gxLumSxSIFId5q2akilUiUckviWL2yvGw&oe=6223F2C6)
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There is now, a million dollar bounty to kill Putin. They are crowd funding to get it higher.
Wow.
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There is now, a million dollar bounty to kill Putin. They are crowd funding to get it higher.
Wow.
Russian businessman places $1m bounty on Vladimir Putin’s head (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-putin-bounty-b2027186.html)
Alex Konanykhin called the offer his ‘moral duty’ in LinkedIn post
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There is now, a million dollar bounty to kill Putin. They are crowd funding to get it higher.
Wow.
Russian businessman places $1m bounty on Vladimir Putin’s head (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-putin-bounty-b2027186.html)
Alex Konanykhin called the offer his ‘moral duty’ in LinkedIn post
That'll go well for him. Not getting poisoned AT ALL.
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Sean Hannity suggested assassinating Putin. Experts say that’s illegal — and a bad strategy. (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/sean-hannity-suggested-assassinating-putin-experts-say-thats-illegal-and-a-bad-strategy/)
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Sean Hannity suggested assassinating Putin. Experts say that’s illegal — and a bad strategy. (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/sean-hannity-suggested-assassinating-putin-experts-say-thats-illegal-and-a-bad-strategy/)
he's not the only one who has suggested that...and of course, it's illegal if we do it...that's what shell companies based in the Bahamas are for
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Sean Hannity suggested assassinating Putin. Experts say that’s illegal — and a bad strategy. (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/sean-hannity-suggested-assassinating-putin-experts-say-thats-illegal-and-a-bad-strategy/)
he's not the only one who has suggested that...and of course, it's illegal if we do it...that's what shell companies based in the Bahamas are for
At least one Russian oligarch suggested it.
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/world-news/2022/03/02/621fc50d22601d606a8b45ba.html
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katerina sergatskova
@KSergatskova
This is the window of an urban researcher Lev Shevchenko in #Kyiv. He barricaded himself with books to keep the glass from flying into the room during the bombardment.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM7fWE0X0AsYn5W?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/KSergatskova/status/1499382272444846080?s=20&t=RoF7zdinJVD8FVr7U3s4ng
takes note of this strategy, however to many windows and just barely enough books...
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I feel like we are not doing enough… I get they have nukes but am frustrated…
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I feel like we are not doing enough… I get they have nukes but am frustrated…
Would you volunteer to fight if they were asking for volunteers?
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Would that make the difference Space?
I think if I could give up my life to save an entire country I would… just like I like to think I would have done the same to spare millions of Jews from dying at Hitler’s hands… not sure my volunteering would accomplish much.
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That'll go well for him. Not getting poisoned AT ALL.
Russian oligarch, Mikhail Watford, found suicided in the United Kingdom because that's not suspicious at all.
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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”
if everyone said their contribution was meaningless, nothing would be done. an army is made up of individuals who signed up.
the temptation to hop a plane to poland has been eating away at me. my dedication to non-violence, and my kids, are what are keeping me grounded.
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David Bowie's son hits back at Kremlin's Russia Today TV channel posting the lyrics 'ground control to Major Tom' by sharing the words to Heroes in support of Ukraine (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10565265/David-Bowies-son-Duncan-Jones-perfect-comeback-Russia-Today-posting-fathers-lyrics.html)
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Well we do have an army of people who signed up and are paid from taxpayer dollars.
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To quote a great Canadian poet “I never said that I was brave!”
Honestly the best thing Americans can do is encourage Biden to get as involved as possible without committing American ground troops. Probably could use a PAC.
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just heard a whisper from a trusted source :Russia just bombed a nuclear power plant!
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just heard a whisper from a trusted source :Russia just bombed a nuclear power plant!
CNN?
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RIP
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/03/europe/zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power-plant-fire-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html
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Well somewhat good news
https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/04/europes-largest-nuclear-plant-shuts-down-after-russian-attack
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(https://c.tenor.com/OGVAmTtvE70AAAAd/wow-amazed.gif)
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The starr date for WW 1 is June 28, not July 28.
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forget about boycotts from Shell, McDonalds, and Pepsi... this is the one that is going to hit home for the populace and may well start a popular uprising:
Adidas Closes Russia Stores Amid Ukraine War (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/adidas-closes-russia-stores-amid-ukraine-war-271646731321)
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I wonder if there is any way Russia can stop and save face…they ain’t going to stop if it makes them look like losers
Because this could go on as long as Russia wants it and if history teaches us anything it’s that Russia is perfectly willing to sacrifice to the max. Sanctions will hurt them but they have historically been a very steely bunch
It’s unbelievable to have this full on war in Europe.
I suppose if Putin died there might be an opening but I would not bet on that for 15 years…and if he dies whoever replaces him is more likely to continue than not (in order to consolidate power, not appear weak, etc)
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Well with Bumble shutting down over there, there will less uprisings over there
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I wonder if there is any way Russia can stop and save face…they ain’t going to stop if it makes them look like losers
i'm sure this is what you meant, but allow me to rewrite that first line:
I wonder if there is any way Putin can stop and save face…he ain’t going to stop if it makes him look like loser
and you are absolutely correct, at this point Putin has pushed all his chips to the center of the table - he's all in. he cannot retreat. like all strongmen, he is dependent on projecting strength. to admit that he effed up and miscalculated would open a lot of doors to dissent... and he won't do anything that may threaten his grip on power.
this is what makes this whole situation so scary: there is no off-ramp. as long as putin is in power, we're riding this rollercoasters until the bitter end.
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Dude, can't believe this guy is an elected representative for the US government
https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1501964751362011136
@CawthornforNC
“Zelenskyy is a thug. Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and is incredibly evil and has been pushing woke ideologies.”
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This guy?
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/2022/03/09/nc-rep-madison-cawthorn-charged-driving-revoked-license-court/9439056002/
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he's strongly supports 2A that's the only qualification ones need in a red district...
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So on top of all that, he's also an asshole driver.
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In this thread we learn how an unemployed party girl buys with a cash a 4.4 million pound London apartment
https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1501878715709632518?s=21
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I wonder what the stance in the JA is on having an Official Wife and an Actual Wife
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I wonder what the stance in the JA is on having an Official Wife and an Actual Wife
Live and let live … as long as you get a prenuptial agreement and she’s properly bred.
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Somebody should smash this guy's wheelchair.
“Remember that Zelensky is a thug,” said Cawthorn in the video. “Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and it is incredibly evil and it has been pushing woke ideologies.”
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“Remember that Zelensky is a thug,” said Cawthorn in the video. “Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and it is incredibly evil and it has been pushing woke ideologies.”
this idiot clearly hasn't done his homework: zelensky is the opposite of a thug. prior to the start of the war, Prez Z had a reputation for being weak and aloof. ukraine has definitely had thugs as presidents, but Z ain't one of them.
"woke ideologies"? regarding gay rights, the best you can say about ukraine is that it isn't illegal to be gay. yeay. gay marriage is constitutionally banned and same-sex relationships are not recognized (ex: can't adopt, no survivor benefits). ukrainian society is very religious and rather conservative. environmental movement is on the fringe of the mainstream. there definitely are leftovers of racism and anti-semitism that linger just under the surface. not sure what "wokeness" he's referring to...
what a lazy shit-smear of a man.
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what a lazy shit-smear of a man.
can confirm
Have you read about his Russian bride (that only lasted a few months) that he met at a fake cross-fit competition and how he lied about getting in an accident (that left him in the wheelchair)...he said many times he was on his way to some military college when the reality was he got rejected months before.
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i did read about his embarrassing "marriage" (how many scaramuccis did it last?), don't remember anything about her being russian... but, checks out.
the man is a lying dump truck of bullshit.
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also to vacation to Hitlers vacation home and took pics to brag about it how it was on his bucketlist...before he was even elected
(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/08/Cawthorn.jpg)
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i did read about his embarrassing "marriage" (how many scaramuccis did it last?), don't remember anything about her being russian... but, checks out.
the man is a lying dump truck of bullshit.
He very clearly married a Russian agent he was set up with and divorced her when he realized. It’s wild. You should read up on this if unaware.
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Roger Hutchinson
@RogerMiles
The Russian Embassy in Lisbon. Two neighbouring houses are projecting the blue and yellow onto its facade. The ambassador is reportedly “apoplectic”(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNkIx_3WQAM5YQO?format=jpg&name=large)
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Brave…I hope she is ok
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-antiwar-protester-who-crashed-a-russian-tv-broadcast-can-t-be-found-her-lawyers-say/ar-AAV4ebR
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Wow, that is amazing and I too hope she's ok. Glad it's getting a lot of attention as that will make it harder to fall out of a 3rd story window
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(https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/276023809_6166383443391057_6314081524306293027_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=IvZLqBiJK7cAX9puN7J&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AT-Z1taNXdlVA9y2_yQuiaGCxNxQw6YC1t_ptH9WzeDkmg&oe=62364269)
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Brave…I hope she is ok
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-antiwar-protester-who-crashed-a-russian-tv-broadcast-can-t-be-found-her-lawyers-say/ar-AAV4ebR
looks like she is, if that fine was in rubles, wasn't that big of a deal
If this didn't get the attention, she would have been 'suicided'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60749279
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOIJ075XMBIk9ww?format=jpg&name=large)
@CBCChrisBrown
A striking memorial in Lviv, #Ukraine for all the children killed by Russian attacks in the last 23 days. Market Square is full of strollers.
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Civilian deaths are unacceptable wether it’s the Russians or the US in Iraq and Afghanistan (don’t remember those being reported on so assiduously)
It is so sad and horrible
War is very very ugly and civilian deaths an outgrowth or byproduct of them..we really need to not get involved in war
There’s an exhibit at the Smithsonian Museum of American History…it’s horrifying.. we have been involved in wars almost constantly
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Civilian deaths are unacceptable wether it’s the Russians or the US in Iraq and Afghanistan (don’t remember those being reported on so assiduously)
I'll tell you why...they weren't White
we don't care about Somalia, Syria, or Yemen either
even at our southern border, there is a drug war that is going on (mostly because of us too) 35k death anually
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Talk about war atrocities we don’t give a fuck about
500,000 people have died in the Tigray War in Ethiopia in the last 16 months.
"The estimate includes 50,000 to 100,000 victims of direct killings, 150,000 to 200,000 starvation deaths, and more than 100,000 additional deaths caused by a lack of health care"
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Sobering
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'Kyiv Calling:' Ukrainian punk band makes The Clash classic an anti-Russia anthem (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/20/entertainment/kyiv-calling-ukrainian-band-covers-the-clash-trnd/index.html)
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^that Kyiv Calling song is great, I think Joe would be proud that his song was used
although not with out some controversy...the band previously supported Bandera a known nazi sympathizer
Billy bragg was for, then against, now he's middling on it after the band kind of apologized
“This is deeply troubling. Stepan Bandera was a far-right Ukrainian politician who collaborated with the Nazis during the occupation of Ukraine and whose followers were complicit in the Holocaust,” commented Bragg.
https://medium.com/@tomstrummer99/kyiv-calling-how-a-clash-song-was-remade-as-a-pro-war-anthem-by-a-band-with-fascist-links-26f9d6854c00
but a lot of hard core clash fans feel that Joe wouldn't approve due to their neo-facist past...
I dunno, my biggest gripe is the bass sucks in their version...that could use some improvment
A senior NATO military officer says NATO estimates that Russia has suffered between 30,000 & 40,000 battlefield casualties in Ukraine through the first month of the war, including between 7,000 and 15,000 killed. It is NATO’s first public estimate of Russian casualties (AP).
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those losses are just mind-boggling.
been reading about the issues the ruskies are having with the management of all the bodies. they're stockpiling a lot of them, "temporarily", in Belorussia - to hide them from the Russian public. the belorussians are running out of refrigeration space to warehouse them. other bodies are just ignored and left on the battlefield... The bodies of Russian soldiers are piling up in Ukraine, as Kremlin conceals true toll of war (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/europe/ukraine-war-russian-soldiers-deaths-cmd-intl/index.html)
i read that this war is costing the ruskies 20 billion dollars a day. with their economy collapsing, they won't be able to keep it up much longer.
other random quotes i've come across:
- the ruble should be pronounced and written "rubble" ;D
- Ukrainian armed forces: "In January Putin had the second best army in the world. In March, he has the second best army in Ukraine."
- "at this rate, NATO should consider joining Ukraine"
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- Ukrainian armed forces: "In January Putin had the second best army in the world. In March, he has the second best army in Ukraine."
damn...
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was on a rabbit hole about Ukraine on twitter and found this interesting tweet about how some lone Russian surrendered with his tank (https://twitter.com/K_Loukerenko/status/1506197270819180547?s=20&t=BkjEO9CF2nAM8YDdB84Wig) to the ukraine
but that got the response that 'is it possible to drive a tank solo (https://twitter.com/TinyTimB/status/1506399149377437697?s=20&t=BkjEO9CF2nAM8YDdB84Wig)'
to that immediately someone posted a Ukraine tiktoc of a child basically finding an abandoned Russian tank and showing us how to drive it (https://twitter.com/VijayAza_10/status/1498578796609372161?s=20&t=BkjEO9CF2nAM8YDdB84Wig) it!>!
this is a weird timeline
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It’s war. You can’t really believe anything. Disinformation is a part of war. It’s not just the Russians lying.
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It’s war. You can’t really believe anything. Disinformation is a part of war. It’s not just the Russians lying.
valid point
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amazing video of peaceful civilian resistance in occupied Kherson: https://www.facebook.com/100013415235189/videos/429723145579258/ (https://www.facebook.com/100013415235189/videos/429723145579258/)
chants include "putin is a dickhead/fuckhead" (lol), "kerson is ukraine", "russian war boat, go fuck yourself", the ukrainian national anthem, "zelensky", and some chant at the end saying "zelensky is (something), but putin is (something else)" which i couldn't understand... but you can rest assured that they aren't flattering the russian dictator ;D
amazing that they're walking right up to the russian soldiers and yelling "putin is a fuckhead" to their faces. kherson is a very russian-speaking town. i'm sure russian planners assumed that khersonites would welcome the invasion... instead, they get thousands of folks marching in the streets telling them to go the fuck home.
i could do without the cinematic music tho.
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those losses are just mind-boggling.
been reading about the issues the ruskies are having with the management of all the bodies. they're stockpiling a lot of them, "temporarily", in Belorussia - to hide them from the Russian public.
Clearview AI’s Dystopian Face Rec Tech Now Being Used to Identify Dead Russian Troops (https://gizmodo.com/clearview-ai-s-dystopian-face-rec-tech-now-being-used-t-1848697923)
Ukraine's vice prime minister said the military uses Clearview AI to identify the soldier and then contact their family via social media
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found another one... didn't even flinch when shots were fired: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=687575739261369 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=687575739261369)
amazing. although they should have practiced singing the national anthem beforehand, had a little issue with coordination :D
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I had to do a double take when I first heard Biden’s words…
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/27/politics/joe-biden-vladimir-putin-ukraine-war/index.html
You really need to watch what you say…and if you say it you better be willing and able to back it up
This kind of thing makes even me doubt he is up for a second term
Biden has done a lot of the right things vis a vis Ukraine- Russia but you can’t have slip ups
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ukrainian helicopters may or may not have successfully de-nazified a fuel depot in russian territory, in what is possibly being called a "special defueling operation."
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Sonic Youth Release 1989 Kyiv Live Recording To Benefit Ukraine (https://www.spin.com/2022/04/sonic-youth-1989-kyiv-show/)
Proceeds will benefit World Central Kitchen
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‘Don’t Fuck With Ukraine’: How Ukrainian Pop Star Max Barskih Joined the Army and Wrote a New Anthem (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/dont-fuck-with-ukraine-max-barskih-army-russia-1344499/)
the track: MAX BARSKIH - Don't F@ck With Ukraine [Прем'єра кліпу] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5PiEjd3R6U)
kickin'
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in other pro-ukrainian music news:
story: Ed Sheeran teams up with Ukrainian band Antytila for reworked ‘2Step’ (https://www.nme.com/news/music/ed-sheeran-teams-up-with-ukrainian-band-antytila-for-reworked-2step-3216770)
video: Ed Sheeran – 2step ft Antytila [Official Video] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ2B4Fb7xQQ)
Les Claypool and Gogol Bordello’s Eugene Hütz Lead All-Star Tribute “Zelensky: The Man with the Iron Balls”: Stream (https://consequence.net/2022/04/les-claypool-eugene-hutz-zelensky-man-with-the-iron-balls-stream/)
An irreverent charity single for Ukraine also featuring Stewart Copeland, Sean Lennon, and Billy Strings
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Following a personal invitation from Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky, U2’s Bono and the Edge visited Kyiv Sunday to perform an acoustic concert in one of the city’s subway stations-turned-bomb shelters
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-bono-the-edge-acoustic-set-kyiv-bomb-shelter-1350428/
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Following a personal invitation from Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky, U2’s Bono and the Edge visited Kyiv Sunday to perform an acoustic concert in one of the city’s subway stations-turned-bomb shelters
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-bono-the-edge-acoustic-set-kyiv-bomb-shelter-1350428/
These folks have suffered enough. Jesus.
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Following a personal invitation from Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky, U2’s Bono and the Edge visited Kyiv Sunday to perform an acoustic concert in one of the city’s subway stations-turned-bomb shelters
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-bono-the-edge-acoustic-set-kyiv-bomb-shelter-1350428/
These folks have suffered enough. Jesus.
saw this and was like...I've seen this before
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Following a personal invitation from Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky, U2’s Bono and the Edge visited Kyiv Sunday to perform an acoustic concert in one of the city’s subway stations-turned-bomb shelters
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-bono-the-edge-acoustic-set-kyiv-bomb-shelter-1350428/
These folks have suffered enough. Jesus.
saw this and was like...I've seen this before
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Stop stalking me on FB.
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The U.S.–Ukraine Foundation and World Unite for Ukraine invite you to a live stream benefit concert on July 14 featuring an exciting lineup of international artists including Pink Floyd, Al Di Meola, Eurovision winner Ruslana, and many others.
(https://files.constantcontact.com/1bdb9c35001/b140a4d7-3107-4e92-8717-94d1b6ca9f14.png) (https://www.worlduniteforukraine.com/)
WHEN: July 14 at 8pm EDT/2am CET
WHERE: Live Stream on Mandolin (Replay available for 7 days after)
EVENT INFO: https://www.worlduniteforukraine.com/ (https://www.worlduniteforukraine.com/)
"World Unite for Ukraine", a global grassroots movement uniting millions of people around the world in support of the people of Ukraine, will present a virtual 90+ minute fundraising concert on July 14, 2022.
The event will include performances by Pink Floyd, the Pat McGee Band, Al Di Meola, Eurovision 2004 winner Ruslana, and other international groups (a complete list of performers can be found here (https://www.worlduniteforukraine.com/#event)). The event will also showcase powerful stories from Ukraine that highlight the country's history and culture, as well as the devastating impact the war has had on Ukraine and its people.
With a $10 million goal, all proceeds will be deployed to vetted humanitarian initiatives through the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation.
The event will be live streamed to over 25 countries via Mandolin beginning at 8pm EDT/2am CET. On demand replay will also be available for 7 days after. Viewers can secure a ticket by selecting from several donation tiers on the Mandolin event page (https://boxoffice.mandolin.com/products/world-unite-for-ukraine) or receive an access code by giving to the active GoFundMe campaign (https://www.gofundme.com/f/World-Unite-for-Ukraine-event).
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how does one of the most meh bands to come out of Richmond/DC scene The Pat McGee Band get second billing on this line up!?
Edit- looked at the list of artists and it's PF, ADM and Pat are the only names I even reconize
but still are they 'big in Ukraine' or something?
I don't even think they could fill Jammin Java
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welp, the Russians have left snake island
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-flag-raised-again-snake-island-military-says-2022-07-04/
not a major victory and they are not even willing to send someone there to raise the flag (weird how they keep saying they raised the flag and showing old pics)
but I'll take it as a ding in putins soul
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not a major victory and they are not even willing to send someone there to raise the flag (weird how they keep saying they raised the flag and showing old pics)
ukrainians don't want the same thing to happen to them that happened to the russians: there is no cover on that island. you're sitting out in the open with big crosshairs on you. the second the first ukie soldier shows up, the orcs will send in the missiles.
but I'll take it as a ding in putins soul
i wish this was the case, but i suspect it's little more than a minor annoyance. the ruskies are probably most pissed about the equipment losses they suffered there.
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Ok lots of disinfo out there...but this is some scary shit
Stratcom Centre UA@StratcomCentre
Russian troops have wired energy units of Zaporizhia nuclear power plant with explosives. Major General Vasilyev, commander of the garrison stationed at the plant, announced readiness to blow up the plant, leading to a nuclear catastrophe.
"This will either be Russian land, or scorched earth," he said. He also told his soldiers that no matter how difficult orders they could receive, they had to execute them "with honour," calling them "liberators."
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more war crimes, nothing new.
and yeah, when told to advance russian soldiers have to do so no matter what - otherwise they have a line of chechens behind them who will shoot anyone who retreats. powerful war machine indeed. mind you, those on the front lines are largely forced conscripts from the donbas and other conquered regions.
HIMARS has gone a long way in leveling the playing field. ruskies are desperate for manpower. north korea has offered to send 100,000 "volunteer" soldiers to help russia. more cannon fodder for the muscovites, just in time to replace all the forced conscripts from the donbas which they are running out of to absorb bullets and shells on the front lines.
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an air base in Crimea was attacked on tuesday, and i don't feel it's getting the coverage/attention it deserves. credible estimates of damages range between 8 and 24 aircraft destroyed, and 2 to 4 ammo depots turned into fireworks. i've also seen estimates that 50-60 soldiers were KIA, mostly pilots (huge loss) and over 100 injured. it's the most planes that russia has lost in a single day since WWII. as they usually do, the russians deny it was an attack and instead claim it was an accident caused by negligence, possibly by a carelessly disposed cigarette... m'yeah.
the ukrainians are being coyly deflective when asked if they did it. no official word on how they carried out the attack, but a few theories:
#1- they used ATACMS, the 300 km missile that can be launched from HIMARS/M270/etc. officially the US has not given these missiles to the ukes, but that doesn't mean that haven't done so secretly. US DOD recently admitted that they gave ukrainians AGM-88 anti-radar missiles without disclosing it to the public.
#2- the ukes used a home-grown missile system, as a ukrainian official implied. they had several medium-range ballistic missile systems in development, in test, or had recently been exported. the neptune anti-ship cruise missiles could have been reprogrammed for such a mission.
BIG PROBLEM with theories #1 and #2: satellite images of the destruction are not consistent with a missile attack. witnesses describe 10 to 12 separate large explosions, but you can only see 5-6 craters and several of them can be explained by the missing ammo dump that used to be there. there are no stray craters, implying an unrealistic perfect 100% hit rate. which leads to the most likely explanation, IMO:
#3- specials ops, possibly with the help of sympathizers/partisans. the attack seemed to have been very localized: the only big explosions where at ammo dumps and a few planes, likely loaded with fuel and/or munitions. seems compatible with specops getting in there and planting multiple timed explosives. this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuz8qO4sJs) provides a good breakdown of the satellite imagery and one version of the "black ops did it" narrative (skip to 4:07 if you don't want background info on the attack).
so how BIG was this attack? it's on par with the sinking of the moskva, the flagship of the black sea fleet, back in april. why?
- strategic: ruskies have started pulling back assets from crimea, relocating them deeper into russia. this move to safety will reduce how often those planes can attack ukraine, will limit their responsiveness, etc.
- psychological: russians assumed that they were safe in crimea and could use it as they pleased to launch attacks. nope. must be humiliating for glorious red army.
- potential anti-propaganda value, maybe... following the attacks, russian tourists high-tailed it outta crimea, a popular beach destination. the traffic jam to get across the kerch strait bridge was backed up for dozens of miles, 24 hours after the attack it was still crawling. all these tourists will return to moscow with news that doesn't match the kremlin's official stories.
- general embarrassment: big powerful war machine couldn't prevent an attack 200 km away from the front lines? if it was indeed SpecOps, did they just walk in, mine the place and walk out? how did they manage to plant so many bombs in a secure military facility? (the explosions occurred during daylight hours, fyi.)
TL;DR: ukrainians kicked the muscovites' asses deep behind their own lines, blew up an air base, and now the ruskies need to rethink their assumption of safety and usefulness of crimea. it's a huge deal.
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cool story (bro)
We Watched Gogol Bordello Play a Secret Gig in Ukraine (https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgka9/gogol-bordello-secret-ukraine-gig-eugene-hutz)
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serious question: y'all aware of recent developments in ukraine, especially on the eastern front/Kharkiv?
i'm obviously obsessed with the war and follow it daily, so i've lost track of what's in the mainstream's awareness. as one might expect, the war isn't getting as much coverage after 200 days as it was in the first weeks - but how far back has it faded?
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what URK is accomplishing at the moment is unprecedented: an entire oblast (province) cleared in 5 days and now working on Luhansk oblast. russians are running for their lives, abandoning 100+ pieces of heavy armor (so far) and all sorts of other goodies like advanced radar and electronic warfare systems. many ammo depots as well (russia has officially become ukraine's #1 weapons provider). by the time this is over they will likely need to deal with over 10,000 POWs. twitter has claims that settlements lost in 2014 are being liberated.
brilliant how the ukes got russia all worked up over their announced southern offensive (kherson), ruskies committed a ton of troops to its defense (est. 25k total), and they promptly got trapped on the west bank of the dnipro thanks to HIMARS taking out all the bridges. this left the eastern front badly under-guarded so the blitzkrieg was on. in the south, meanwhile, UKR can methodically grind it out knowing that the muscovites around kherson cannot be resupplied. rumors of RF in negotiations to surrender, or for safe passage of soldiers only (all weapons and armor left behind), but nothing confirmed yet.
my fav tidbit about the lightening campaign in Kharkiv is how it was led by mostly SOF in fast vehicles. when coming up to a town or known russian post they did one of two things:
- if the russians put up resistance, the tip of the spear simply went around the russians and continued down the road. this confused the russians - why didn't they fight? as they watched the lightening team disappear down the road, they'd turn around to find themselves encircled by the second wave of heavy armor and artillery. badly outgunned, the muscovites could only surrender, flee, or die.
- if the russians didn't put up any resistance, the ukes would disarm whoever they could capture (many fled after putting on civilian clothes), zip-tie them and leave them by the side of the road for the second wave to deal with.
the ukrainians impose a media blackout during operations, so this isn't confirmed, but there may be a third front developing in the middle of the land bridge between donbas and crimea. it may be headed to mariupol, severing the land bridge in half.
hopefully UKR has the resources and logistics to hold on to the gains. they've got it right so far, let's hope they keep it. hard not to be overly optimistic and say shit like the "end is in sight"... must... not... saaaaaaaay it...
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psyops continue unabated:
Leaked plan of Kherson offensive:
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Friend of mine is staying at a Glover park hotel directly across from the Russian Embassy on Wisconsin
and they have a giant Ukraine flag that is about 10 stories high
(https://i.imgur.com/YKqBkfu.jpeg)
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^ love it!
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wow...
The Russian Army Is Losing A Battalion Every Day As Ukrainian Counterattacks Accelerate (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/09/11/the-russian-army-is-losing-a-battalion-every-day-as-ukrainian-counterattacks-accelerate/)
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dissent is now in the open in moscow: russian propaganda TV openly questioning the war. ~50 local officials sign a letter asking putler the resign. just read a story of a general who told putler to fuck off on a video call after the dictator questioned the general's competency (i.e. blamed him for the recent failures). none of this would have occurred prior to the recent counteroffensive so it's clearly diminishing putler's power.
and the biggie: was there an assassination attempt on putler's motorcade (https://www.google.com/search?q=Putin+motorcade+attack)? it failed, but still: his movements are top secret so it had to be an inside job. putler can't be sleeping well these days.
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Putler? is that a new nick-name?
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Hitler comparisons are terrible….and a very bad idea cause when you start comparing every dictator to Hitler it really minimizes what Hitler did…. I mean I remember when in the US everyone seemed to be comparing Saddam to Hitler…of course that ruler in Iran with the crazy name that starts with an A got compared to Hitler….
I really think Hitler stands alone…there is no comparison… if you go to the Holocaust Museum…it’s just a whole different level of “civilized” barbarism
Pol Pot might be the closest thing to Hitler but I don’t know deets on that…. What stands out about Hitler is the systematic and methodical manner he oversaw the killing of millions of Jews… Say Stalin’s killing of millions by starvation isn’t quite the same as concentration camps and crematoriums…
Curiously enough the US - where we seem to have a fixation with calling every dictator Hitler- stood largely silent while Hitler carried out the Final Solution. It’s an uncomfortable truth and most Americans no doubt think we stepped into World War II to save the Jews but that is just not corroborated by the evidence. Hell, when a ship full of Jews fled Europe and was off the US coast it was denied entry and the ship was sent back to Europe. A real low point in American history.
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Curiously enough the US - ...- stood largely silent while Hitler carried out the Final Solution. It’s an uncomfortable truth and most Americans no doubt think we stepped into World War II to save the Jews but that is just not corroborated by the evidence. Hell, when a ship full of Jews fled Europe and was off the US coast it was denied entry and the ship was sent back to Europe. A real low point in American history.
So I'm not history expert, but I don't think that most outside of Germany actually knew what was going on in the concentration camps early on and even when we joined on the offensive in 1941
Maybe I'm just being naive here but the extent of the killings and tortures wasn't known until we entered the camps years later and the germans and their attention to details...wrote everything down, so it was even more shocking
But I do agree, there are few to compare to Hitler and will go down as one of the most henious in modern history
Although Pol Pot and Stalin are really not that far behind
and mao, that his Culture thing was responsible for millions too
but don't forget the Leopold II, King of Belgium, that was one nasty dude responsible for about 10 million congo residents...all in the name of rubber
an the US with it's genocide of the native americans...
But you are right, there is only one Hitler, but there are many atrocities done by men in modern times
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The US knew exactly what was going on. We didn’t care…very few cared… Jews couldn’t flee Hitler because they had nowhere to go. It’s all documented. Even came out recently how Argentina had a secret policy not to take in Jews. We knew where the concentration camp where..we knew the railways that took Jews there..
Again, I do not see comparisons between Hitler and others. He did it in broad daylight over many years. He industrialized a state killing machine. There was a whole “legal” underpinning. Nobody cared. And if Jews fled Germany to say Holland Hitler still got them killed such as Anne Frank.
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Putler? is that a new nick-name?
not new, but a good nickname ;D
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x-posted on just canceled thread for polish concerts
City councilors have drafted a resolution to declare Mr Waters persona non grata, due to be voted on at a session on September 28.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63026101
Mr Waters... post entitled "Hey Łukasz Wantuch, Leave them kids alone"
I guess this is nothing totally new with him, just weird to totally ignore Russia here
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Like a lot of poser leftists the guy has a hard on for anything anti American even the fascist remnants of communism and the Soviet Union
It’s actually really sad
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It’s actually really sad
yeah, feel like he's had some whacked stances before,
but this seems like a whole new level of insane when thousands of ukraines have died, to be such an arrogant bastard
I do think as Americans we still haven't digested that the USA has a lot of blood on it hands from the last two decades in the middle east
like 1 million deaths
Yes, unilke Russia, we were not trying to take land or resources, but the families of the dead people could care less about our intentions
So Roger can definitely point the finger at the US and be pissed at us for our foreign policy,
but how he some what lumps Poland and the Ukraine in to that really doesn't jive at all
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https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1576795898809810944?s=20&t=m6yfV7JekrAqK6naWAe3rg
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^ nice!
for bonus points, i wouldn't have dumped a gallon or two of red pain at the entrance, so it would look like blood was pouring out of the building.
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@Cokedupoptions
Elon Musk weighing in on Russia/Ukraine since he is an expert in failed takeover attempts
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@Cokedupoptions
Elon Musk weighing in on Russia/Ukraine since he is an expert in failed takeover attempts
that didn't age particularly well... over the past 24 hours ;D
that said, i hope to one day tweet something as cutting.
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kerch bridge is burning down
burning down
burning down
kerch bridge is burning down
happy birthday putler!
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for hutch:
Kat (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f339.svg) @marinathekat3 (https://twitter.com/marinathekat3/status/1586371395151273984)
Argentine volunteers defending Ukraine (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f1e6-1f1f7.svg) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f1fa-1f1e6.svg) #UkraineRussiaWar (https://twitter.com/hashtag/UkraineRussiaWar?src=hashtag_click) #ukrainecounteroffensive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ukrainecounteroffensive?src=hashtag_click)
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Hard to believe
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Hard to believe
really? why?
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Although there were great acts of individual courage - mainly by Argentine Air Force pilots- during the Malvinas War, let’s just say Argentines aren’t exactly renown for their bravery.
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Although there were great acts of individual courage
https://twitter.com/LvivJournal/status/1589001856260657152?s=20 (https://twitter.com/LvivJournal/status/1589001856260657152?s=20)
glory to the heroes
as i'm sure you're aware, there are a good number of Ukrainian-Argentines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Argentines), especially around BA and in Misiones. ARG has the seventh-largest Ukie diaspora (https://mfa.gov.ua/en/about-ukraine/ukrainians-worldwide) - more than Germany and more than its neighbor Belarus. so in addition to Argentines who want to fight for a noble cause and/or be war tourists, there is a pool of folks whose sense of cultural attachment compels them to join the fight. that being said, based on stats that i've seen, ARG isn't in the top 20 of countries that have the most foreign volunteer fighters (top 3: poland, canada, usa).
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great day in the fight against russian fascists: Kherson has been liberated.
(https://i.redd.it/kdzu6dortcz91.jpg)
this isn't an exaggeration. check out #Kherson (https://twitter.com/search?q=Kherson&src=trend_click&vertical=trends) or r/ukraine (https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/) for vids of pure joy. helluva street party.
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Banksy in Ukraine
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1591764472959565829
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oh shit.
a two russian missiles "intended for Ukraine" (likely Lviv) went off course and hit Poland (https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52). two Poles dead. polish cabinet currently in a "crisis management" meeting. pundits calling to invoke Article 5, AKA WWIII. gawd i hope cooler heads prevail.
Poland has been a HUGE supporter of Ukraine, yet i have to believe that today's events will only boost that support.
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oh shit.
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Launched by Ukraine in an attempt to shoot down incoming Russian missies.
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oh shit.
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Launched by Ukraine in an attempt to shoot down incoming Russian missies.
which, frankly, is the best possible outcome. yeah, my lizard-brain wants to see Poland join in and assist in kicking ruzzia's ass (and they're itching to do it, too) - but risk of escalation would be something awful... the muscovites can delude themselves into thinking that they have a chance against Ukrainians under current circumstances (plus, this is a situation of their making to they have to accept most of it). Poland joining in would have Putin reaching for the big red button since it would be the only card he'd have left to play.
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Poland joining in
the big difference you seemed to miss in your commentary is Poland is a member state of NATO
so a strike on Poland, is a strike on the US and Europe
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Because I was too lazy to find the Canada thread
https://twitter.com/justintrudeau/status/1594779951034732553
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I mean, wutthafuggahyagonnado?
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(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/321774685_687452209500252_189292103101214885_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=C6XHHJOlRcAAX_8SbeI&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCxQ6_LyEzlgskqVZOD9pivakSsu5oyZnZxzgsTVP1ERQ&oe=63B0D114)
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^ she slays, as the kids say nowadays...
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russia's war in ukraine has mostly faded from the headlines as of late, but now's a good time to start paying attention again:
- ukrainian-backed russian citizens (now including some poles too!) have invaded russia and are holding territory there. russian army can't dislodge them.
- wagner has pulled out of bakhmut. russian army now 100% in defense mode. ukraine on the move on the flanks of bakhmut.
- UK's recently-gifted storm shadow missiles are having the same effect as HIMARS's arrival last summer: decimating russian logistics, command centers and barracks.
- initial signs of the long-awaited ukrainian counter-offensive now being seen. ukrainian MoD has requested silence during the kick-off, so limited details coming out (and with the media's obsession of both-siding every story, only the russian MoD's false narratives are being reported... annoying, but it'll blow up in their faces when reality catches up). things about to get very violent.
- russians have been continuously bombing UA cities, most notably Kyiv, for over a month now. if it wasn't for Patriot batteries and other air defense, the capital would have been leveled by now.
- the rooskiyz blew up the nova kahovka dam on the dnipro river last night. huge ecological, economic and humanitarian disaster that will be felt for at least a decade.
unfounded prediction: UA will be blown up the kerch bridge in the next 48 hours using storm shadow, in retaliation for the flooding.
shit is hitting the fan.
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This doesn’t sound good to me
There will be no presidential elections in Ukraine until the end of the war, stated President Zelenskyy.
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This doesn’t sound good to me
There will be no presidential elections in Ukraine until the end of the war, stated President Zelenskyy.
yeah it's not a great headline, but it's standard fare for a country at war. martial law (which Ukraine is under) = suspension of some aspects of democracy, which often includes elections.
how the hell are you supposed to hold free and fair elections in a country that is actively and randomly being bombed? guaranteed that the rooskiyz will target voting centers, thus making voting a risk to the public. also, the threat of violence is uneven across the country: voters in the safer western and northern areas would have an easier time getting to the polls than those in the south and east, thus giving them a bigger sway in election outcomes. for this and many other reasons, any election results would be rightly criticized as unfair, unrepresentative, etc. best alternative, for now, is to stick with the results of the last valid election.
besides, zelensky's approval ratings are north of 80%. there is no question who would win. so skip the distraction of trying to campaign while leading the biggest war since 1945, and get on with the task of dealing with the russian infestation. i have zero doubts that elections will be one of the first orders of business after liberation.
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IMPORTANT UPDATE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqKe_T3gbVo)
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So it’s over? We win?
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So it’s over? We win?
unfortunately not, but anything in particular giving you that impression?
perhaps it's the GOP unwilling to support Ukraine, so one has to assume that we've won since why else would they not support something that they have always supported??
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Oh…I saw the Ukraine thread on page 7 and assumed the war was over and the good guys 🥇!
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Oh…I saw the Ukraine thread on page 7 and assumed the war was over and the good guys 🥇!
We just got so caught up in the Annie Mae news that it didn't seem that important anymore.
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Well…yes…Annie Mae, what can I say other than I will no longer tune in to Caps games and instead watch Fox 5!
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... *sigh*... looks like we need to add Yemen to the list of potential WW3 incubators...
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i'll post this here instead of stinking up another thread.
i'd like to offer a counter-narrative to "Ukraine can't win". below are updates from today only that are unlikely to make mainstream news:
- a massive multi-pronged drone attack (https://twitter.com/search?q=drone%20attack&src=typed_query) hit 6 areas inside russia, including lukoil's largest refinery and several other refineries. UA has been degrading RU's energy sector with drone attacks for months now, moscow is slowly losing the ability to pay for its war. UA continued their campaign against military industrial infrastructure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtD1w3kZFl8) overnight as well.
- three volunteer battalions (the Freedom of Russia Legion (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Freedom%20of%20Russia%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends), the Siberian Battalion (https://twitter.com/search?q=Siberian%20Battalion&src=typed_query&f=top), and the Russian Volunteer Corps (https://twitter.com/search?q=Russian%20Volunteer%20Corps&src=typed_query&f=top)) crossed the border into Russia from Ukraine to conduct combat operations - i.e invade russia. updates here (https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1767440937385390357).
- damage assessment from a drone attack on an aircraft repair facility (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1767308693694005729) 3 days ago has confirmed that two A-50 AWACS planes were damaged and likely unrepairable. it's unclear if russia has any more such "eye in the sky" radar planes left, which until recently have conferred a huge battlefield advantage to the russians.
- a Il-76 troop transport plane crashed, cause TBD. carried at least 12 air force specialist. in 15 day period that ended last week, RU lost 15 planes.
- RU's black sea fleet has lost a third of its ships (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GH5nXWXXIAA9bru?format=jpg&name=large), and what is left has mostly been pulled from crimea and is hiding out in the safety of russia's far eastern shore, well away from the frontlines. the BSF has been effectively side-lined - by a country without a proper navy.
- see daily loss assessment infographic below (click to enlarge). frontlines have not moved in the past 24 hours. implication: RU continues senseless meat wave attacks that yield little to no results.
believing that ukraine can't win can be attributed, for some, to lack of information and/or misinformation. if you aren't aware of developments like those above, it's easy to slip into the russia-pushed narrative of "the latest ukrainian offensive failed, and they recently lost a town they held for 10 years, so i guess ukraine can't win". but if you follow such daily events, and you realize they're currently doing all that without major international assistance - imagine what could happen with the right resources... that's why i believe that Ukraine can, and will, win. giving up is not an option, and the only negotiations that putin will accept is capitulation.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIdMrk-WUAA4lK0?format=png&name=medium)
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Propaganda
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Propaganda
if you mean "information meant to sway opinion", that's a fair assessment. that info comes from a specific point of view. however, it's all true, those are facts (other than what i clearly ID'ed as opinion, i.e. "i believe that..."). if i got anything factually incorrect there, please correct.
if you mean "misinformation and/or disinformation meant to sway opinion", than no. the ruzzians make shit up, and lie about what has happened, on the daily. unfortunately they're good at it, and there is an appetite for their narratives. heck, they got tucker to interview putin so his ramblings could be streamed into the houses of the maga faithful. talk about a propaganda coup. thank goodness it backfired, for the most part.
since i have your attention, i'd love your reaction to the following... it was buried in a large rant in another thread so understandable if you missed it:
to bring it home to you, hutch: it's like saying the malvinas falklands are populated by english speakers, and the british have been there for a really long time, so argentina really should just stop whining and give up its claim to those meaningless islands. kind of a shitty take, huh?
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Well first of all let’s be clear all nations fighting wars use propaganda. You can’t seriously believe any country doesn’t lie etc.
But specifically
I have always believed Argentina could have won. Nobody agrees with me much in Argentina. Easier to blame the evil USA and think it was hopeless. The UK was in real bad shape in early 1982. Argentina had tried to cozy up to the US by training the contras but if it thought there was a quid pro quo where the US would remain neutral well they made a big miscalculation and UN Ambassador Jean Kirkpatrick’s view carried the day over Secretary of State Haig who was more into American neutrality. Having said that if the Argentine military hadn’t done such a poor job planning and the bombs had exploded and they had bought more Exocet missiles and trained the conscripts and not had supply chain issues Argentina could have won because the islands are right next to argentina. But lots of ifs….
People forget that argentina had been arming up and even had designs on nuclear weapons.
But none of it means Argentina will ever give up its claim.
I really don’t see the comparison. Argentina had advantages Ukraine does not. Russia has to be the second or third most powerful military in the world, right? Also, Argentina was fighting on its own whereas Ukraine without US help is toast.
Just cause a cause is right doesn’t mean we have to aid it. Obviously many think it’s in our strategic national interest to forever support Ukraine. I do not. I am not sure it’s even in the Ukraine’s interest.
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Those of you who begged me to reach out and see if I could get Hutch back — please gaze upon your desires.
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Remember Mankie, who actually fought in the Falklands War?
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If I could wave my magic wand and have Russia leave Ukraine alone I would be happy to….
Russia always viewed Ukraine as a satellite state different from say Poland. After the fall of the Soviet Union typically the Ukrainian government would be pro-Russia and respond to Russian interests. As things changed and Ukraine became closer to the West and its people began to elect politicians unwilling to toe the line Russia got angry.
Is it fair that Russia won’t recognize Ukraine’s right to full self determination? No of course not. But international relations aren’t about fairness, sadly.
I don’t believe the West can pry Ukraine from Russia’s orbit without triggering an existential crisis for itself and surely this is not in its national interest. Meanwhile Russia sees maintaining some sort of recognition of Ukraine’s special relationship with Russia as non-negotiable. If you had been invaded as many times as Russia has been by the West you might too. The West needs to create the context for a compromise solution that gives both sides a face saving way out. The idea that Russia can be defeated may seem rational to us but to them it’s an existential issue. I don’t think it should be to us.
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hutch - thank you. i very much appreciate having someone with a different viewpoint with whom i can discuss.
But none of it means Argentina will ever give up its claim.
nor should it.
I really don’t see the comparison. Argentina had advantages Ukraine does not. Russia has to be the second or third most powerful military in the world, right?
agreed it's not a 100% apples-to-apples comparison, however there is a central similarity IMO: it's still david vs. goliath. (despite the fact that ruzzia used to be considered the second military power in the world, but that assessment is highly debated these days). it's still a rightful historical claim by the little guy, vs. imposition of will by the stronger side.
Also, Argentina was fighting on its own whereas Ukraine without US help is toast.
ukraine was fighting on its own for the first 6 months. a few javelins & nlaws were provided at the outset, but UA repelled RU's march on Kyiv essentially on its own. initially no one wanted to back what was seen as the inevitably defeated side. only after 6 months of successfully pushing back the ruzzians did the west start to think "maybe UA can win, maybe we should support them" - so 4 HIMARS were sent. it wasn't until early 2023 - a year after the full-scale invasion - did western arms start arriving in significant quantities which enabled the 2023 summer offensive last year (which unfortunately didn't yield the desired results). the previous two massively successful counter-offensives (kharkiv and kherson) were powered by UA's existing weapon stocks.
so currently, you're essentially correct: without foreign assistance, UA can't continue because war = equipment losses, and UA doesn't currently have the capacity to replenish all its lost equipment. but in the first 6-12 months, UA was largely on its own. and it succeeded in defending its capital against a 30-mile column of invading ruzzians.
Just cause a cause is right doesn’t mean we have to aid it.
hot take.
Obviously many think it’s in our strategic national interest to forever support Ukraine. I do not. I am not sure it’s even in the Ukraine’s interest.
that last bit has me curious as to what you mean... my interpretation of your words, and please correct me if wrong, is that Ukraine's people would be better served - i.e. more of them will survive - if Ukraine capitulates and negotiated for whatever deal it can get. as i stated previously, that is a false interpretation IMO. capitulation will mean enslavement for anyone caught behind the RU side of the line, if not death. the russians have no post-war plans for Ukrainians. they will be tortured and exterminated and ethnic russians will be imported by the millions. this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine: it's fight or die. in that light, support will always be desirable for Ukraine, because resistance is the only option so external support = greater chances of successful resistance.
the ruzzians are absolute monsters when they take over. they're angry that anyone dared resist them, so they must be punished. the choice for UA is either some soldiers die on the battlefield, or many civilians die in torture basements. to anyone who thinks i'm being melodramatic, let me know if you want me to send you link to verifiable accounts and documentation of russian torture and murder of civilians (hint: you really don't want to).
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Russia always viewed Ukraine as a satellite state different from say Poland.
to which i say: so the fuck what? ruzzia can have whatever delusions it wants, doesn't mean that anyone else needs to change their course of action because of them.
it like saying to a woman after a breakup with an abusive man, "sure, you've moved on - but he hasn't. so you need to forget you plans for a future without him, and take his feelings into consideration instead." anyone care to defend this POV? might makes right, anyone?
After the fall of the Soviet Union typically the Ukrainian government would be pro-Russia and respond to Russian interests. As things changed and Ukraine became closer to the West and its people began to elect politicians unwilling to toe the line Russia got angry.
post-independence Ukraine did NOT typically elect pro-ruzzian leaders, at least not consistently. they would oscillate back and forth: they;d elect a pro-russian leader, and then realize that ruzzia held no goodwill or long-term plans to UA. so they would then elect pro-west leaders, and inevitably learn that the west doesn't hold much regard for UA so wouldn't do much for them... at which point pro-ruzzia seemed like a sucky but better alternative. Ukrainians are not inherently pro-russian, it was a choice of convenience when the west didn't offer the promise of a better alternative.
As things changed and Ukraine became closer to the West and its people began to elect politicians unwilling to toe the line Russia got angry.
that's what's know as a "you" problem, not a "me" problem. as such, it's not on "me" (in this context, Ukraine) to fix.
Is it fair that Russia won’t recognize Ukraine’s right to full self determination? No of course not. But international relations aren’t about fairness, sadly.
yeah, realpolitik sucks for folks on the ground. that doesn't mean we can't aspire to higher values.
I don’t believe the West can pry Ukraine from Russia’s orbit without triggering an existential crisis for itself and surely this is not in its national interest. Meanwhile Russia sees maintaining some sort of recognition of Ukraine’s special relationship with Russia as non-negotiable.
again, that's ruzzia's problem. millions of civilians shouldn't have to suffer and dies\, and a nation and culture shouldn't have to face annihilation, because another country has delusions of grandeur.
If you had been invaded as many times as Russia has been by the West you might too.
they had the french with napoleon, and then the germans/hitler... not sure how many other "western invasions" RU has been subjected too. not enough to justify over-reaction, IMO. this line comes across as apologetic.
and it's not like they haven't invaded most of their neighbors - but ruzzians are special, right? they get to invade, but have special status to never be invaded themselves, right?
The West needs to create the context for a compromise solution that gives both sides a face saving way out.
Ukrainians are happy to do whatever it takes to get the ruzzians to leave UA - but harbor no illusions: any negotiated compromise that includes the loss of any land, AKA any citizens, will be unacceptable to Ukrainians.
The West needs to create the context for a The idea that Russia can be defeated may seem rational to us but to them it’s an existential issue. I don’t think it should be to us.
i'm not ready to sacrifice the lives of millions of people so the residents of a former superpower can maintain their falsely inflated egos. losing empire isn't easy, but RU needs to face reality: they aren't what they used to be, and should adjust their expectations accordingly.
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Ok I am going to qualify what I said…
Ukraine can’t win a conventional war but it could make Russian occupation so painful to Russia via asymmetrical warfare that they destabilize Putin and weaken Russian resolve. This should be the Ukraine’s focus. In other words do what Chechnya did but way amped up.
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Ukraine can’t win a conventional war but it could make Russian occupation so painful to Russia via asymmetrical warfare that they destabilize Putin and weaken Russian resolve.
agreed, the goal is to make it unbearable for russia. in addition to grinding down the russian army via attritional warfare, i think it will take both asymmetrical warfare (ex: taking out their energy and military-industrial sectors with long-range drones) and some conventional land conquests. specifically, if Crimea is threatened - doesn't need to be completely taken over, but if Ukraine can advance towards sevastopol and hold the gains - it will damage a central narrative that underpins putin's claim to authority. he's puffed up his chest about reclaiming Crimea, his position will be untenable if he is seen as losing control or control being realistically threatened.
a huge wildcard is what happens if putin dies. all the heirs-apparent are stating they would continue the war, but they have to say that if they want to remain in the running. TBD what they actually do the day after the funeral. putin can't back down, but his successor might have that option. i think the chances of this happening are low, but not zero.
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Call me a pessimist, but I'm beginning to feel like Trump and Putin are both going to live to be 90+. It's like Billy Joel said.
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Trump and Putin’s fathers lived to at least 90 I think…
Remember all that propaganda about Putin being really ill and about to die?
Odds are they will both be around a good while. Putin is like 72!
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Trump and Putin’s fathers lived to at least 90 I think…
Remember all that propaganda about Putin being really ill and about to die?
Odds are they will both be around a good while. Putin is like 72!
Trump doesn't seem healthy though.
Putin is strong like ox, still doing shirtless photo ops
Could you imagine a shirtless shot of donald, puke
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In a speedo?