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Title: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2022, 10:20:26 am
So looking like the Dems will get creamed in the House, Senate and the states in 2022...is there anything we can do.  Or do we just get popcorn and watch it all burn

Hershel is polling 4 points over warnock
Leading dem Finkenauer  off Democratic primary ballot in Iowa
Fla, new residents are overwhelmingly MAGA at the same time Florida legislators give DeSantis their power to draw House map

what other depressing news do we have
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on April 12, 2022, 10:29:46 am
Are Democrats in disarray?

I mean they are going to get creamed but I think it’s due to a combination of factors some of which are beyond Democrat control



Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2022, 11:28:32 am
Are Democrats in disarray?
they are if they  cede power to the GQP at state and federal levels

NYtimes pitchbot love this phrase, so I'm stealing it from them
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on April 12, 2022, 11:31:50 am
I think a majority of the American people are in disarray.

People get the government they deserve.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2022, 11:50:02 am
Yes some of these are old, but the headline that keeps on giving

Are Democrats Really in Disarray? (https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/wait-what/6216b040199fdd00213edef0/are-democrats-really-in-disarray/)
Anxiety vs. reality By Molly Jong-Fast

Opinion | The Roots of Democratic Disarray (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/25/biden-agenda-democrats-congress-514263)Opinion by JEFF GREENFIELD

NYmag has a tag
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/tags/democrats-in-disarray/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2019/01/30/people-used-to-joke-about-democrats-in-disarray-theyre-not-joking-now/

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/oct/14/democrats-in-disarray/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/opinion/dems-in-disarray.html
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2022, 11:54:43 am
welp, I think I found the fix

Nasa spots record breaking, huge comet headed towards Earth (https://www.independent.co.uk/space/nasa-comet-asteroid-hubble-telescope-b2056434.html)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 12, 2022, 12:05:50 pm
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkalahoma where the laws are getting stricter every day

Oklahoma’s Republican Governor signs near total abortion ban into law. It’s now a felony to perform an abortion in the state, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

It’s the most restrictive abortion law in the United States.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 16, 2022, 11:25:53 am

Leading dem Finkenauer  off Democratic primary ballot in Iowa

Thankfully this got reversed
But can Abby beat a 89 year old for a 6 year term
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: GAY,GUY on April 17, 2022, 06:06:31 pm
I, ignore politics now.

I'm happier, and couldn't give a shit who's in charge. Except Trump; fuck him, still.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on April 17, 2022, 06:41:32 pm
+1
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 17, 2022, 08:15:11 pm
Really !?!?

Have you not been paying attention to what’s happening in Jesusland destined to hit the rest of the country ?

I.e.. firing squads in NC, math textbooks being rejected in Florida for teaching critical race theory, a bill passed in Kentucenesee that makes it a crime for the unhoused to live under bridges, public libraries and education under attack, abortion being banned… up next going after gay and mixed race marriage

Basically destroying what few gains have been made and all the advantages these selfish aging baby boomers were given

Yes far to much time spent on Twitter
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on April 19, 2022, 08:08:44 am
Spent a few days in Asheville…great food I thought..

Forms part of NC’s 11th congressional district whose last three representatives have been Heath Schuler, Mark Meadows and Madison Cawthorn…. Sort of sums up the evolution of American politics over the past twenty years right there…

Read a local paper and wanted to cry…type of things like a letter to the editor asking Biden to resign and turn over power to Ron Johnson, Rubio etc…crazy columns focused on the left being a bigger danger to America than Russia or China…

So what’s the point of worrying about this stuff? Better invest your time looking into options to emigrate or something.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on April 19, 2022, 08:45:04 am
I don't think all 80 million people who voted for Biden have the resources to emigrate.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on April 19, 2022, 09:00:25 am
My heart breaks for the Americans who will not be able to make it out. I wish they had it as easy as the Ukrainian people.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 19, 2022, 09:11:07 am
Spent a few days in Asheville…great food I thought..

Forms part of NC’s 11th congressional district whose last three representatives have been Heath Schuler, Mark Meadows and Madison Cawthorn…. Sort of sums up the evolution of American politics over the past twenty years right there…

Read a local paper and wanted to cry…type of things like a letter to the editor asking Biden to resign and turn over power to Ron Johnson, Rubio etc…crazy columns focused on the left being a bigger danger to America than Russia or China…

So what’s the point of worrying about this stuff? Better invest your time looking into options to emigrate or something.
Asheville is super gerrymandered if you look at a map. Asheville/Black Mountain/Arden are wildly progressive (only the Raleigh-Durham triangle is moreso in NC), they're just tossed into a map with a bunch of WNC that waters down the city so much that GOP have the district on lock. A major point of contention.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on April 19, 2022, 09:18:09 am
It's funny to think that the town I associate with Billy Graham (Black Mountain) leans liberal.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on April 19, 2022, 09:24:15 am
Oh yeah I get that…read all about it trying to understand the district


But ultimately the point is the American people have lost their darn minds. Biden approval rating in the 30s?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 19, 2022, 09:26:33 am
It's funny to think that the town I associate with Billy Graham (Black Mountain) leans liberal.
Montreat (about 3 miles from Black Mountain) is where he lived and that's the weird Bible community out there. Black Mountain (while still with some older residents) has become an artist community. Lots of under 40 liberals out there living in the woods.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on April 19, 2022, 09:33:40 am
US economy grew at annualized rate of 6.9% in the fourth quarter of 2021 and jobs are everywhere yet people act like we are in a Great Depression or something.

Ok nobody likes inflation but what did you think would happen when you got those stimulus checks?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on April 19, 2022, 09:35:05 am
It's funny to think that the town I associate with Billy Graham (Black Mountain) leans liberal.
Montreat (about 3 miles from Black Mountain) is where he lived and that's the weird Bible community out there. Black Mountain (while still with some older residents) has become an artist community. Lots of under 40 liberals out there living in the woods.

This indicated that Montreat still leans Blue in spite of they biblialness.

https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/north_carolina/montreat


Anyway, I drove to upstate NY this past weekend.

Some things I saw:

Someone flying a Confederate flag alongside a US flag. How does that even make sense?
Someone else with a Trump 2024 "Take American Back" sign on their lawn.
A billboard in PA that said "Thank you Joe Manchin and Kysten Sinema, for Keeping America Great."
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on April 19, 2022, 09:39:39 am
US economy grew at annualized rate of 6.9% in the fourth quarter of 2021 and jobs are everywhere yet people act like we are in a Great Depression or something.

Ok nobody likes inflation but what did you think would happen when you got those stimulus checks?

57% of American household don't make enough to pay any taxes. They're probably the ones most unhappy with the little inflation thing.

Meanwhile, the Freely's owe a ghasly amount of taxes. I'm not sure why. My wife keeps saying "It's better to owe that to get a refund." But i'm not sure I'm with her on that one. I'd rather cut back on spending during the year because our paychecks are less than have the money available to spend and get hit with a huge debt every April. Sorry to digress.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 19, 2022, 09:43:36 am
This indicated that Montreat still leans Blue in spite of they biblialness.

https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/north_carolina/montreat
That is surprising.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 19, 2022, 09:44:50 am
My wife keeps saying "It's better to owe that to get a refund." But i'm not sure I'm with her on that one.
If you're doing it intentionally and receiving an interest-free loan from the government and treating it as such, its better to owe. If you owe through no intentionality on your withholding and its surprise to you, then you're probably correct.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2022, 09:56:54 am
Asheville is super gerrymandered if you look at a map. Asheville/Black Mountain/Arden are wildly progressive (only the Raleigh-Durham triangle is moreso in NC), they're just tossed into a map with a bunch of WNC that waters down the city so much that GOP have the district on lock. A major point of contention.
they did the exact same thing in Austin TX
super blue, but they made it 4 congressional districts that fan way out in to the sticks

Gerrymandering is just criminal IMO and I wish that we could find a solution
can't we just use a computer to divide the state evenly by population and just be done with it
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 19, 2022, 10:00:49 am
My wife keeps saying "It's better to owe that to get a refund." But i'm not sure I'm with her on that one. I'd rather cut back on spending during the year because our paychecks are less than have the money available to spend and get hit with a huge debt every April. Sorry to digress.
I despise this take
would be different if you could get like say some ungodly high return in the bank like 3% (which you can't...lucky if you get 1%)
so yes...you are giving the gov't a free loan on money, but in the end we are talking a few dollars difference
So much better to get one lump sum in April...so ya know, you can pay off bills or go on a vacation
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: evilizac on April 19, 2022, 10:34:01 am
Drove down to a show in Jeffersonton VA, over the weekend and a saw Prius flying a full-sized Fuck Joe Biden (with middle finger for the I in Biden) flag, he also had a faux let's go Brandon license plate and as such had a separate license plate mount for his govt plate.
All that is to say, who is he trolling? Between owning the one-time most liberal car, his reduced mpg with that flag, cost of flag, flag mount and license plate mount, I guess in the end it makes him feel good as he aggressively tried to pass people by driving in-between the two lanes on a two-lane highway. Anyhow, Saturday was a great day for a drive.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 19, 2022, 02:30:50 pm
But ultimately the point is the American people have lost their darn minds. Biden approval rating in the 30s?

BEcAusE TH' pREsIDENt cOnTRolS tH' PRiCe OF mY GAs....
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on April 19, 2022, 02:40:38 pm

Meanwhile, the Freely's owe a ghasly amount of taxes. I'm not sure why.

I would likely guess that you haven't adjusted your withholdings since Trump limited your SALT deductions.

The Smackies could buy a car with amount they owe this year and this is despite buying a new EV to lower the amount they owe by $7500.  We will be paying quarterly this year most likely.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on April 19, 2022, 02:54:19 pm
Drove down to a show in Jeffersonton VA, over the weekend and a saw Prius flying a full-sized Fuck Joe Biden (with middle finger for the I in Biden) flag, he also had a faux let's go Brandon license plate and as such had a separate license plate mount for his govt plate.
All that is to say, who is he trolling? Between owning the one-time most liberal car, his reduced mpg with that flag, cost of flag, flag mount and license plate mount, I guess in the end it makes him feel good as he aggressively tried to pass people by driving in-between the two lanes on a two-lane highway. Anyhow, Saturday was a great day for a drive.

I was in Corning, NY on Saturday, where it was 39 and pouring rain. I saw that it was 78 here and wondered why i left home. They do have a nice Museum of Glass, and i found a cozy little restuarant with a great taplist and some good hip hop playing, so not all was lost (though i did lose my umbrella at the museum.)

I wonder how my co-worker Brandon feels about all this Brandon crap?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on April 19, 2022, 02:55:44 pm
My wife keeps saying "It's better to owe that to get a refund." But i'm not sure I'm with her on that one. I'd rather cut back on spending during the year because our paychecks are less than have the money available to spend and get hit with a huge debt every April. Sorry to digress.
I despise this take
would be different if you could get like say some ungodly high return in the bank like 3% (which you can't...lucky if you get 1%)
so yes...you are giving the gov't a free loan on money, but in the end we are talking a few dollars difference
So much better to get one lump sum in April...so ya know, you can pay off bills or go on a vacation

Whereas my wife  takes a "if I've got it I'll spend it" approach. Hmmph.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 26, 2022, 09:02:20 am
In case you didn't realize it, trump is on the ballot in PA

https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1518786708665507840?s=20&t=F6wvMvsRn4ay53jJTIc2hA
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on May 12, 2022, 01:25:58 pm
in case you were feeling too happy and needed some doomscrolling to drag you back down to earth:

Democrats' unpreparedness to defend Roe v. Wade is political malpractice: Democrats are still searching for a coherent strategy to save abortion rights (https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/politics/democrats-abortion-rights-2022-midterms/index.html)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on May 12, 2022, 02:19:23 pm
Ok Collinson is my favorite political analyst

But I mean what are we supposed to do? It’s like everything else: we don’t have the votes. It’s annoying but it’s the reality - along with the non representative character of American democracy- that explains everything going back to being unable to confirm Garland. There is no magic workaround on a political level without the votes.

On a personal level maybe people will put money to setting up a network to help people have safe and free abortions.

And thinking about needing votes… do we get them by continuing to run up margins with women and minorities… I feel you can only squeeze so many votes there… if we continually focus on issues that concern these constituencies aren’t we potentially shooting ourselves in the foot in terms of reaching other groups?

Democrats playbook seems to be hyping Republican racism and misogyny and instilling fear about what will happen with Republicans or Republican policies but it’s just not enough..it’s not working…there have to be policies and actions that improve the lives of people….including Republicans… easier said than done but at this point it’s easy to feel like nothing is happening other than fearmongering… I think this playbook is so played out… also most voters aren’t one issue voters…yes abortion rights are important but so is putting food on the table…some Democrats seem to act like all that matters is Roe v Wade


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 17, 2022, 01:05:36 pm
So am I the only one who hopes Madison Cawthorn LOSES his primary election today?

what is the likelihood, TFG is still behind him, so that matters in that district
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on May 17, 2022, 01:10:22 pm
So am I the only one who hopes Madison Cawthorn LOSES his primary election today?

pretty sure every liberal, and most establishment Repubs, are hoping he loses.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 17, 2022, 04:59:10 pm
whoa...if the PA race wasn't spicy enough

PA Senate candidate John Fetterman will have a pacemaker implanted this afternoon, just hours before polls are set to close in the U.S. Senate primary.

Fetterman, who had a stroke last week,
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on May 17, 2022, 05:40:44 pm
not a big deal is it?  He was A-fib.  Pacemaker will make his heartbeat regular...I guess

whoa...if the PA race wasn't spicy enough

PA Senate candidate John Fetterman will have a pacemaker implanted this afternoon, just hours before polls are set to close in the U.S. Senate primary.

Fetterman, who had a stroke last week,

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 17, 2022, 07:48:28 pm
So am I the only one who hopes Madison Cawthorn LOSES his primary election today?

what is the likelihood, TFG is still behind him, so that matters in that district
Uh yeah.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 17, 2022, 09:57:38 pm
Ashley Madison lost! Can’t wait for my side piece district to be represented by a slightly less vocal, yet equally offensive piece of shit! #PyrrhicVictory
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on May 17, 2022, 10:56:46 pm
I jut can’t help rooting against anyone that Trump endorses….foolish or not…

It’s a photo finish in PA
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 18, 2022, 05:54:46 am
MC losing in the primary was such great news to wake to
And fetterman takes the D in pa
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 18, 2022, 06:35:54 am
The irony of that photo finish PA race is they are looking forward to counting all the remaining mail in ballots  ::)

Rolling Stone provided this description of Fetterman and it’s probably why his stances appeal to me.. wish more Dems had a vibe and ran as realist’s in order to improve everyone’s lives verses strict progressives who tend to have their heads in the clouds… 


“John Fetterman is neither a centrist nor a progressive. He’s a vibe, and he just won a Democratic Senate primary in Pennsylvania”

Katie Porter also strikes me as being well grounded.. and the squad in general need to actually accomplish something other than constantly grandstanding.. AOC apparently hasn’t actually gotten any legislation passed
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 18, 2022, 08:27:48 am
AOC apparently hasn’t actually gotten any legislation passed
YOU DON'T SAY!?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on May 18, 2022, 10:42:02 am
I wish Oz had lost…the best thing for America long term is for Trump to become politically marginalized…

People will say the new Republicans will be as bad or worse as Trump

But there is a big difference: Trump is a gifted politician…the best this country has seen in a long time

So I can’t do what most Democrats do and look at things election by election and how a primary impacts a particular seat. I have to look at it in terms of how it impacts Trump. Trump put himself out there for Oz so him losing would have been a slap in the face

At least that’s the way I see it…
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 18, 2022, 10:56:53 am
I think you meant most grifted politician
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on May 18, 2022, 01:39:31 pm
But there is a big difference: Trump is a gifted politician…

if by gifted politician you mean "able to get elected by being the right guy at the right time and place", sure.  he's a great campaigner.  he knows how to get the headlines, how to get his face on the front page.  continuously.

but when i think of a gifted politician, i think of what they do after they get elected: pass and/or enforce laws, improve collective cohesion, chart an innovative direction for the country, motivate the public to be better, generally make our lives better, etc.  in that regard, trump failed abysmally.  he was the worse "politician" ever to hold national office.  he will go down as the worse president in american history.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 18, 2022, 01:59:14 pm
I agree with Hutch, he is one of the greatest politician in our lifetimes
I say that and I can't stand anything about him

I wish one could rate politicians on what they actually do once elected, but means absolutely nothing if you can't get the voters to the polls
Trump was able to create a collation of the crazy on the right, and it worked
Joe only won by a thin margin
After 4 years of scorched earth politics, Trump was able to get 11 Million more voters to the polls
He was able to connect with voters in a way that I've never seen

I look at some of the High School friends I foolishly stay in contact with.  They could care less about politics their whole life, but 4 years ago would post things like "I love my president" and join flag waving convos of trucks/boats

That's a powerful movement and you are right, it was the right place at the right time
but I still don't think another person could have done it

Ultimately we need a to find a way to find a middle ground with those voters, because after Trump is dead, they will certainly still be there looking for the next Trump

The only silver lining is no one can take his mantle at this point, there are a lot of people trying...but I don't anticipate any of them being as successful as he was
With that, if Trump is not on the ticket, then maybe those voters stay home as they weren't that interested in politics prior

Quote
he will go down as the worse president in American history.
100% ,but there are 75 million Americans who think the exact opposite.  So no matter how you frame that, you are never going to win them over with that argument


Trump put himself out there for Oz so him losing would have been a slap in the face
true, but what about Madison...I can't believe Trump continued to support him to the bitter end.  Don't you think that looked bad for Trump support?

I think Madison will probably get a job in the Trump org or OANN. So unfortunately not the last we'll hear from him, at least he is not an elected official any more
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 18, 2022, 02:18:47 pm
What’s more — as is obviously true in other mediums, but can be strangely overlooked in political campaigns — presentation is often as important as content.

while I'm a policy wonk...most voters, especially the independent voters...don't give two shits about policy.   Dems need to learn from this and connect with all voters

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/18/democrats-less-boring-emotional-reaction-00033382
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on May 18, 2022, 02:20:26 pm
Trump put himself out there for Oz so him losing would have been a slap in the face
true, but what about Madison...I can't believe Trump continued to support him to the bitter end.  Don't you think that looked bad for Trump support?

I think Madison will probably get a job in the Trump org or OANN. So unfortunately not the last we'll hear from him, at least he is not an elected official any more



I did have to wonder if Madison had some dirt on Trump that led to his endorsement...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on May 18, 2022, 02:46:44 pm
in case folks want to watch CNN piling on the dems: 'These vital signs are very, very bad': New CNN poll contains rough news for Democrats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH_ACRZTMMo)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on May 18, 2022, 03:03:31 pm
I mean politician in terms of connecting with voters.

Trump has no peer. He literally will lie to his voters and they know he is lying and he knows they know he is lying and they still love him and vote for him.

Incredible

Moreover the way he took over the Republican Party and vanquished his political adversaries strains credulity. Paul Ryan?

How about the way he tore Jeb, Rubio, Cruz apart? Practically made them cry…

Yeah he’s a hell of a good politician

Of course Democrats want to think he is dumb or lucky or going to jail or whatever
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on May 18, 2022, 03:11:22 pm
I agree with Hutch, he is one of the greatest politician in our lifetimes
I say that and I can't stand anything about him

I wish one could rate politicians on what they actually do once elected, but means absolutely nothing if you can't get the voters to the polls
Trump was able to create a collation of the crazy on the right, and it worked
Joe only won by a thin margin
After 4 years of scorched earth politics, Trump was able to get 11 Million more voters to the polls
He was able to connect with voters in a way that I've never seen

I look at some of the High School friends I foolishly stay in contact with.  They could care less about politics their whole life, but 4 years ago would post things like "I love my president" and join flag waving convos of trucks/boats

That's a powerful movement and you are right, it was the right place at the right time
but I still don't think another person could have done it

Ultimately we need a to find a way to find a middle ground with those voters, because after Trump is dead, they will certainly still be there looking for the next Trump

The only silver lining is no one can take his mantle at this point, there are a lot of people trying...but I don't anticipate any of them being as successful as he was
With that, if Trump is not on the ticket, then maybe those voters stay home as they weren't that interested in politics prior

Quote
he will go down as the worse president in American history.
100% ,but there are 75 million Americans who think the exact opposite.  So no matter how you frame that, you are never going to win them over with that argument


Trump put himself out there for Oz so him losing would have been a slap in the face
true, but what about Madison...I can't believe Trump continued to support him to the bitter end.  Don't you think that looked bad for Trump support?

I think Madison will probably get a job in the Trump org or OANN. So unfortunately not the last we'll hear from him, at least he is not an elected official any more

Or maybe they'll just go back to not caring. And watching cars drive circles around tracks.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 19, 2022, 06:06:47 pm
while Trump is still endorsing plenty of Republicans in safe primaries, he is also making some riskier endorsements — some of which have panned out, and some of which haven’t. So far this cycle, 62 of the 65 candidates Trump has endorsed for Senate, House or governor (and whose races have been called) have won. Keep in mind, though, that 95 percent win rate is only slightly lower than his 98 percent win rate in 2020. Even if the cycle goes south for Trump personally, though, his illiberal vision is clearly winning out within the Republican Party

https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/pa-nc-primary-elections-2022/
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on May 20, 2022, 02:22:18 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/20/jeff-bezos-amazon-politics-hamilton-nolan
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 20, 2022, 02:25:46 pm
it's hard to trust a billionaire who says he worries about the little guy...when you know he really doesn't

inflation is a regressive tax that most hurts the least affluent
not that it isn't true, just seems disingenuous
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 24, 2022, 01:39:57 pm
anyone taking bets that MTG might lose her primary today??


although the GQP isn't leaking all those spicy vids like they did for Madison

this is also in her favor Greene has raised more than $9.2 million

Greene faces five GOP challengers in her primary, the best-funded of which is political newcomer Jennifer Strahan, owner of a health care consulting business.
Strahan has raised around $400,000 for her campaign


damn, was kinda hoping for he loss
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on May 24, 2022, 02:01:51 pm
Greene faces five GOP challengers in her primary

this is the real problem.  GOPers needed to band together and field just one alternative.  instead they split the field and MTG will likely come out with the most votes. 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on May 26, 2022, 02:48:03 pm
@drvolts
Republicans are pushing wildly unpopular abortion policy & wildly unpopular gun policy & wildly unpopular tax policy & wildly unpopular book banning/gay bashing policy ... and they are on track to win the midterm elections by historic margins.

What explains the gap?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on May 26, 2022, 03:01:34 pm
I don’t believe that stuff is wildly unpopular and certainly not in most states!

It’s wildly unpopular in Arlington and NYC but In Nebraska, Missouri, Texas? Wildly unpopular? Ummm no

And factor in the gerrymandering and the over representation of republicans in the senate (North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Wyoming etc)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on May 26, 2022, 03:35:50 pm
A total ban on abortion is unpopular. A ban on abortions after the first trimester or four months, is actually QUITE popular tho.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 12:55:20 pm
so, do we thing the economy is going to trump* be more important than Roe and J6

sadly I think it will


saw this and am just concerned for the future

@NoLieWithBTC
Reminder: These hearings and this committee only exists because Democrats have a tiny 5 seat majority.
5 seats. That’s what’s keeping the hope for democracy alive. We have to expand our majorities in November

@SpiroAgnewGhost
The Supreme Court, in overturning Roe this morning, gave the best shot to Democrats to hold onto the House & Senate in November & grow the margins of the majority. If this does not motivate millions & millions of more women (& men who care) to vote, what will do so? Terrible day.


I just don't think this is going to bring out the vote in a way that will benefit the dems in 2022 /24

* I can not express how annoying it is that I can no longer use that great card playing term anymore
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 01:02:04 pm
Expand? Try lose 45 seats! (Not my final prediction….still trying to retain hope)

I just don’t know that I feel comfortable saying Democrats can keep squeezing more and more votes from female voters. I mean I feel the margin provided by women the past few cycles is already really high.

And there are other issues…Latinos tend to be against abortion …there are Republicans and republican leaning women against abortion…Catholics tend to be against abortion…all these voters could be energized to vote (“see our vote matters!”)

Then there are Republican or say Trump Republicans who may feel energized that Trump stuck it to the liberals even if they personally couldn’t care less about abortion. They feel like they “won”…deplorables

The flip side could be demoralized Democrats…we keep voting and we can’t catch a break why bother

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 01:10:15 pm
Expand? Try lose 45 seats! (Not my final prediction….still trying to retain hope)
I agree, but I posted those tweets, because they likely are wrong


jez..how is there a world where I agree with Dave Portnoy
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1540356814579146753?s=20&t=QcrTdLNHjE6U_fQJGdmqsQ
He littlery said we need to vote for Biden!?!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on June 24, 2022, 01:28:45 pm
And there are other issues…Latinos tend to be against abortion …there are Republicans and republican leaning women against abortion…Catholics tend to be against abortion…all these voters could be energized to vote (“see our vote matters!”)
(...)
The flip side could be demoralized Democrats…we keep voting and we can’t catch a break why bother

flipside: right wingnuts got what they came for.  they're all good.  no reason to rush out and vote.  meanwhile, the lefties are enraged and see that they're victims of the right's long game.  time to get up and fight/vote.

content voters tend to stay home.  pissed off voters tend to line up at the polls.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on June 24, 2022, 01:29:45 pm
so, do we thing the economy is going to be more important than Roe and J6

sadly I think it will


It always is.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on June 24, 2022, 01:32:39 pm
And there are other issues…Latinos tend to be against abortion …there are Republicans and republican leaning women against abortion…Catholics tend to be against abortion…all these voters could be energized to vote (“see our vote matters!”)
(...)
The flip side could be demoralized Democrats…we keep voting and we can’t catch a break why bother

flipside: right wingnuts got what they came for.  they're all good.  no reason to rush out and vote.  meanwhile, the lefties are enraged and see that they're victims of the right's long game.  time to get up and fight/vote.

content voters tend to stay home.  pissed off voters tend to line up at the polls.

Republicans are going to be content after two years of Biden?

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 24, 2022, 07:48:23 pm
So maybe it the alcohol and flower

But for some reason I’m starting to feel optimistic about local elections in 2022

On the federal level, still a bloodbath
But this issue will impact local elections

Let’s talk Nov 5 , but for now I have some delusional optimism
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 28, 2022, 10:57:16 am
so...any chance that Lauren Boebert's primary turns the way of maddy?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 28, 2022, 11:07:11 am
so...any chance that Lauren Boebert's primary turns the way of maddy?

Was she cousinfucking too?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 28, 2022, 11:07:31 am
so...any chance that Lauren Boebert's primary turns the way of maddy?

probably not as that allegation about her having a Koch sugar daddy apparently didn't stick.. and all the dumb shit she does and says on a regular basis is widely reported anyways...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 29, 2022, 06:18:42 pm
yes a little early, but promising none the less as it was neck and neck in the last poll

Quinnipiac poll: Georgia Senate

Raphael Warnock 54%
Herschel Walker 44%
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 30, 2022, 09:22:28 am
it's getting tiresome how quickly misleading information gets spread about what Biden is or isn't doing about stuff, today it's access to abortion last month it was student debt... 

feel free to keep shouting behind your keyboards and not voting or voting republican.. because when DeSantis, 45** or Abbott became president say good bye to the constitution and our feeble democracy...

remember DeSantis gets butthurt about little shit  and retaliates biggly and if 45** gets back in office hold your horses
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 30, 2022, 09:58:24 am
This just in Biden is changing his position and is supporting a carveout exception for the filibuster to codify stuff... it's nice to have adults in charge and i'm sure he conferred with smart people on this issue..  and not a bunch of self proclaimed experts
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on June 30, 2022, 10:59:06 am
and not a bunch of self proclaimed experts
I feel attacked
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on July 07, 2022, 12:48:30 pm
Gallup Poll on Attitude shits from 2020 to after the Supreme Court Leaked the Decision (https://twitter.com/ryanburge/status/1545057370711044099)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 07, 2022, 12:50:05 pm
Gallup Poll on Attitude shits from 2020 to after the Supreme Court Leaked the Decision (https://twitter.com/ryanburge/status/1545057370711044099)
Hilarious typo.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on July 07, 2022, 12:52:38 pm
Hilarious typo.

Haha.  And I won't correct it.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 07, 2022, 05:34:00 pm
Ok, odd person to get this quote from, but it tracks

Paula Poundstone@paulapoundstone

I heard a frustrated Democrat on the radio say, "We voted in 2020." That's like saying, "I fed the baby yesterday."
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on July 07, 2022, 06:07:25 pm
It’s actually not.

I don’t remember Biden saying vote for Democrats and give us majority in Senate and House and I will have no way of passing any laws or doing more than managing the federal bureaucracy because Manchin and Sinema are wusses.

People are tired of marching and voting and not seeing much for their troubles…

It’s just a really weak argument on Biden’s part… i mean look at abortion…everyone knew this was coming..a proactive president could have organized a bunch of measures to help women who need an abortion in states where abortion was made illegal with the ruling. Yet they had absolutely nothing

It’s kind of pitiful

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 08, 2022, 10:43:17 am
This just in Biden signs an executive order

“Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services”

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1545363309469343744?s=20&t=Qv8b1keTeVM9f6ByNQ-kBA

Just skimming the highlights this looks comprehensive...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on July 08, 2022, 10:48:03 am
This just in Biden signs an executive order

“Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services”

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1545363309469343744?s=20&t=Qv8b1keTeVM9f6ByNQ-kBA

Just skimming the highlights this looks comprehensive...

And that’s great but it should have been done the same day the Supreme Court ruled.

It’s all so lackadaisical. Like the Biden ruling on student loans! Seriously just do what you want and move on. Instead they been kicking the decision down the road as far as they can. There is no urgency. Say what you want about Trump but every day he was coming out with bold moves (I disagreed with all of them). What is Biden waiting for?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 08, 2022, 11:17:30 am
This just in Biden signs an executive order

“Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services”

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1545363309469343744?s=20&t=Qv8b1keTeVM9f6ByNQ-kBA

Just skimming the highlights this looks comprehensive...

And that’s great but it should have been done the same day the Supreme Court ruled.

It’s all so lackadaisical. Like the Biden ruling on student loans! Seriously just do what you want and move on. Instead they been kicking the decision down the road as far as they can. There is no urgency. Say what you want about Trump but every day he was coming out with bold moves (I disagreed with all of them). What is Biden waiting for?

Seriously the BOLD moves were all designed to appease the White Supremists and did little more than further  divide this country.  Name one bold action that actual made a difference as they all got wiped away by Biden on day one.  45** only serious legislative accomplishment was lower the taxes on the wealth.  He was all talk on any of the important issues.

and the whole student loan forgiveness thing is a rapidly growing tiresome "progressive" caucus cause, that was a bright shiny object for a couple months...

I for one am very glad we aren't coping with another daily scandal coming out of the whitehouse, now it's just a bunch of whiny progressives...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2022, 11:30:07 am
and the whole student loan forgiveness thing is a rapidly growing tiresome "progressive" caucus cause, that was a bright shiny object for a couple months...
They really need to drop this narrative and feel OK on what they have already done

it's such a loser issue, in that 2/3rd of American's don't go to college and are not going to get this loan forgiveness
but are probably dealing with their own crushing debt

we can't keep giving the R's such good stuff to get independents with
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 08, 2022, 11:45:03 am
it's such a loser issue, in that 2/3rd of American's don't go to college and are not going to get this loan forgiveness
but are probably dealing with their own crushing debt

I'm all for student loan forgiveness -- full disclosure: I neither have nor have ever had any student loan debt, so lets get my biases out in the open right up front -- and think the arguments against it are mostly ass. That said, it's a classic example of a "right thing to do" where its just so unpopular and poorly messaged that it just absolutely gives the other side a field day.

If you're a person who didn't go to college because you couldn't afford it and didn't want to saddle your family with debt, you SHOULD still be on board with debt forgiveness, but the reality is NO ONE WHO FALLS INTO THAT BUCKET WILL BE. Its such a loser idea -- it costs us votes. It further fuels the narrative that poor, rural Trump whites who have real economic discomfort get nothing from a Dem agenda on wiping out upper-middle-class people's kids debts and tells them how privileged they are to be white and poor instead of black and poor.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on July 08, 2022, 11:48:32 am
Ok great but make a decision and do it

I really don’t care what

Why you need 18 months to do something?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 08, 2022, 11:50:04 am
Ok great but make a decision and do it

I really don’t care what

Why you need 18 months to do something?
Yeah, this is correct as well. Do it or don't, announce it, and say you're done. Don't let a one-day story become a one-week story, as they say. Or in this case an 18-month one. Like you are able to shut off the oxygen around this topic prettay, prettay, prettay effectively if you're Joe Biden (aside from insular progressive social media spheres that were never going to stop talking about this until Harvard is burnt to the ground and all colleges are free and spots are selected by random lottery).
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 08, 2022, 12:15:31 pm
beating this already dead horse but

The U.S. Department of Education canceled about $5.8 billion in outstanding student loans for more than 560,000 borrowers in the largest single loan forgiveness action taken by the government to date

This was for students of Corinthian College a for profit outfit that ensnared lots of lower income students in massive debt, etc.  and didn't delivery on their promises...

So quite frankly Student Loan forgiveness should be targeted and not across the board...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2022, 12:25:39 pm
Corinthian College
yeah this was a good one
corrupt for profit school screwed a lot of people trying to get into the trades
the Dems should trumpet this one as it's helping 'non-college' types

I guess my question is, did the owners of this company have to chip in for this forgiveness?
seems like they were the negligent ones, not the gov't
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on July 08, 2022, 03:34:52 pm
I guess my question is, did the owners of this company have to chip in for this forgiveness?
seems like they were the negligent ones, not the gov't

Haha, no.  They were fined $30m by the Dept of Ed, weren't able to pay because they were already under water, and promptly closed down filing Chapter 11.  They were bought in the Chapter 11 by several regional groups.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 08, 2022, 04:39:47 pm
Haha, no. 
It was kind of rhetorical, I assumed what you said is pretty much what happened
Sad because the tax payers footed the bill here, I think that those associated with should have done some jail time
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on July 12, 2022, 12:24:23 pm
because they don't have enough external problems:

Pro-Bernie Sanders group launches campaign urging Biden not to run for reelection (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3554020-pro-bernie-sanders-group-launches-campaign-urging-biden-not-to-run-for-reelection/)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 12, 2022, 12:52:09 pm
I'd admittedly did do enough research into some of the Dem primary candidates, partly because there were far to many of them running for governor.. not even sure who the "progressive" is in that race...

if Tom Perez wins that one, it will be none stop progressive whinging and whining, because he did their Bernie the dirty..

what I do know based on the number for fliers that arrived in the mail, there is a group that really doesn't like Donna Edwards being in Congress, we just got her due to re-districting instead of Steny...

also, i think it's cute that progressives think they can primary Steny in his race...

lastly the mayor of Greenbelt who made a minor splash in progressive circles for that press conference appearance with Hogan, is no longer running against Van Hollen.. 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on July 13, 2022, 12:03:01 pm
This is a really bad tweet…not sure who came up with the concept of inflation being out of date but whoever it is should lose their job

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1547229442052874242?s=20&t=gC0EfhIXOM7tZ0AZByco6Q
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on July 13, 2022, 12:39:35 pm
This is a really bad tweet…not sure who came up with the concept of inflation being out of date but whoever it is should lose their job

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1547229442052874242?s=20&t=gC0EfhIXOM7tZ0AZByco6Q

it's not inflation that's out of date per that tweet - it's the numbers, as in it's old data.  the tweet wants us to believe that things are actually better than we think they are, we just need more recent data to prove it.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on July 13, 2022, 12:52:19 pm
Yeah I got that


Suuuuure

Good luck with that Joe, you going to need it!!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 13, 2022, 12:54:25 pm
that was a hard tweet to follow...he should have just said
In the past 30 days, the average price of gas has dropped by 40 cents a gallon.


So do you think he's going to do something with this Middle east visit that will have an impact at the pump

Getting gas prices to drop in mid October would do wonders for 2022 dem candidates
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on July 13, 2022, 01:01:37 pm
I hope not! I would rather stab myself with an ice pick than go beg MBS and the Saudis for anything

Just a terrible move by Joe. After what we have done for the House of Saud their attitude incenses. Fuck them.

I would rather invade Venezuela, get rid of Maduro and take over their oil. A good war always rallies the people.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 13, 2022, 01:31:12 pm
I would rather invade Venezuela, get rid of Maduro and take over their oil. A good war always rallies the people.
now you are thinking!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 13, 2022, 03:49:44 pm
look at biden delivering on a trump promise to get Mexico to pay for it

President Biden has negotiated with Mexico to pay $1.5b toward U.S. southern border security and infrastructure.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 14, 2022, 05:35:36 pm
Fetterman said he was going to shitpost his way to victory and well he just topped hiring the plane to troll Dr. Oz at the jersey shore

Cue Snooki

https://twitter.com/johnfetterman/status/1547683652791717891?s=21&t=u0e69lR5ZPDwFEy6yp9Wvw

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on July 15, 2022, 12:45:54 pm
and well he just topped hiring the plane

either my english comprehension skillz are on the fritz, or Koz needs a copy editor.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on July 15, 2022, 12:47:35 pm
You know, "hiring the plane". It's like "refusing to bite the kettlefish".
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 15, 2022, 01:12:15 pm
I hope not! I would rather stab myself with an ice pick than go beg MBS and the Saudis for anything

Just a terrible move by Joe. After what we have done for the House of Saud their attitude incenses. Fuck them.
President Biden "greeted Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman with a fist bump."
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 15, 2022, 02:02:14 pm
and well he just topped hiring the plane

either my english comprehension skillz are on the fritz, or Koz needs a copy editor.

as seen at the Jersey Shore

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXVOgIMXwAIXYLm?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on July 15, 2022, 02:13:29 pm
(https://www.economist.com/img/b/600/789/90/media-assets/image/20220716_DE_US.jpg)

For the good of America, the governing party urgently needs to take on its own activists

"that in turn requires a clearer end to the ideological drift that is jeopardising the Democrats. Standing up to the ideologues of the left will require grit, but if Mr Biden truly wants to save the soul of the nation he will have to start with the soul of his own party."
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 19, 2022, 09:42:46 am
maybe all hope is not lost...quite optimistic, but possible

https://www.kake.com/story/46876284/two-reasons-why-all-is-not-lost-for-democrats-in-the-midterms
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2022, 10:36:50 am
So...do we think Charlie Crist is just going to be another Terry Mac in FL??
Not sure Nikki will be able to rally enough to beat Desantis, but she's not a part of the old dem party and I think that's sorely needed in FL

I'm feeling good about Val beating Marco, but maybe my blinders are on
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2022, 01:53:47 pm
interesting
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1550144145964113922?s=20&t=CM2DS-H72AfKSygvH2P72g
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 21, 2022, 03:55:38 pm
So...do we think Charlie Crist is just going to be another Terry Mac in FL??
Not sure Nikki will be able to rally enough to beat Desantis, but she's not a part of the old dem party and I think that's sorely needed in FL

I'm feeling good about Val beating Marco, but maybe my blinders are on
Republicans going to cruise in those races. 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on July 21, 2022, 04:27:39 pm
The delusion is strong with that one…
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2022, 05:08:19 pm
Ok I'll admit, I keep wanting FL to go blue...but it's not going to happen
I thought Val had a shot...but not looking good

Also I thought Ron just squeaked out the last gov race
4,076,186   vote for R and 4,043,723 for D
that's tight, 33k vote win out of 8Mil cast!

...but it's looking like he might take it by 10 points
latinos seem to really like this guy
https://www.news-press.com/story/news/2022/07/21/donald-trump-shifted-hispanic-vote-can-ron-desantis-hold-onto-gains/10006231002/

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 21, 2022, 05:14:59 pm
I can't  believe that Kari Lake is favored in AZ....but AZ is a crazy state

I really though Abrams was going to have a chance in GA, but looking like Kemp is going to wipe the floor with her
I thought just letting Hershel walker talk was going to be enough to tank him, but doesn't seem to be the case either

I really don't understand these independent voters at all...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on July 21, 2022, 05:25:36 pm
I don’t know about those races but I know Florida is not in play.

Not really following things now.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on July 21, 2022, 06:38:08 pm
Herschel Walker I do see losing.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 27, 2022, 02:50:45 pm
 Little Steven has a word or two for Dr. Clown

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1552324950773710848?s=20&t=pVFRGjri70ReRJA6_AYhQQ
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 27, 2022, 05:41:25 pm
Apparently Manchin has reversed course and will support a climate and tax package… fingers crossed it sticks
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2022, 09:13:01 am
The new party, called Forward....
although, the amount of dems/indys they will get is still yet to be seen

I really wish Trump would create the Trump party and cleave the GOP
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on July 28, 2022, 01:34:25 pm
Little Steven has a word or two for Dr. Clown

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1552324950773710848?s=20&t=pVFRGjri70ReRJA6_AYhQQ

This one is funnier.

https://twitter.com/PascrellforNJ/status/1552434605306814465/photo/1
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 28, 2022, 02:32:52 pm
New Jerseyan...so that's the correct way?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 28, 2022, 04:59:04 pm
They maybe in disarray, but they sure know how to donate.. your feel good story for today

The Michigan Republican state senator who falsely described @MalloryMcMorrow as a “groomer” in a fundraising email raised less than $300 in the days following the solicitation. McMorrow raised more than $1m from 11,000 donors in all 50 states.

https://twitter.com/adamwren/status/1552623503777603585?s=21&t=UEsX0qPXrRzi6NCP4UtFFg

Also the Dems need more straight talkers like McMorrow in the spotlight
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 02, 2022, 10:52:16 am
Guy gets his opinion piece published that AOC is the best candidate for Dems as president in 2024… but neglected to realize she won’t be 35 years old in 2024

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best-shot-against-trump-in-2024/


Welp… she will be 35 in Oct 2024
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on August 02, 2022, 11:46:35 am
Ummm….Biden is going to run unopposed
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on August 03, 2022, 11:15:40 am
Maybe it’s not just the economy, stupid

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/03/politics/kansas-abortion-amendment-analysis/index.html

I mean this is KANSAS!!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on August 03, 2022, 12:45:38 pm
^ this is YUGE
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 03, 2022, 01:17:10 pm
They had a huge Dem turnout for this primary election, higher turnout overall over previous general elections in the state.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 04, 2022, 11:05:56 am
(https://i.ibb.co/kyr2PDt/Screen-Shot-2022-08-04-at-11-03-27-AM.png) (https://twitter.com/rfarc9/status/1555182686385356800)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on August 04, 2022, 11:50:24 am
What happened to Sinema?

She used to be liberal….now she’s fighting for hedge funds? Over a couple of hundred K in donations? Is it really worth it?

I don’t get it. Campaign contributions don’t even make that much of a difference. You run some negative ads nobody pays attention to…big whopdedoo

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 05, 2022, 05:32:02 pm
https://twitter.com/mikeinacay/status/1555368185385435136
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on August 07, 2022, 03:15:06 pm
Again, what happened to Sinema?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/07/politics/senate-democrats-climate-health-care-bill-vote/index.html
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on August 07, 2022, 11:52:33 pm
Bill has passed senate

I cannot believe they couldn’t get sixty votes to pass insulin price cap or that senate parlamentarían said they couldn’t do it with 51

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 08, 2022, 09:31:41 am
Bill has passed senate

I cannot believe they couldn’t get sixty votes to pass insulin price cap or that senate parlamentarían said they couldn’t do it with 51



and the QOP will be railing against the price of insulin by the end of the week... and did Rubio draw the short straw to spew QOP idiocy while all this was going on?  they grow a special type of stupid in Florida...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2022, 07:19:31 pm
Ok yes it's a little early to start counting your chickens

but...https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/senate/?cid=rrpromo

Dems slightly favored to win senate!

we are getting more arrayed each day!

(although...not looking good in the house)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on August 09, 2022, 07:44:00 pm
You are so poll driven

Isn’t the old saying most Americans don’t start paying attention til Labor Day?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on August 09, 2022, 08:25:59 pm
Polls can help with trends but as predictors -particularly in an age of deplorables - I don’t believe in them…. I feel like if we haven’t learned this lesson by now….
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 10, 2022, 05:55:10 pm
new rally call: we will remember in Roevember 

(thankfully Rocktober happens before Roevember)


I'm skeptical of polls too, I do love them as they are generally  a fairly good indicator, especially on the state level
too many variables with the electoral college to trust them on a National election
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 15, 2022, 04:26:03 pm
x-posted to the schadenfreude thread

@NotHoodlum
The GOP just canceled $10 million in fall ads for Senate in PA, AZ and WI. This is a clear sign of financial problems. Hardest hit was PA, more than $5 million in Philly alone. They’ve given up on Oz.


Not sure how this happened, but we've lost Frau Ingram?!
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3602789-laura-ingraham-voters-might-say-its-time-to-turn-the-page-on-trump/amp/
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on August 15, 2022, 04:54:26 pm
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3602789-laura-ingraham-voters-might-say-its-time-to-turn-the-page-on-trump/amp/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3602789-laura-ingraham-voters-might-say-its-time-to-turn-the-page-on-trump/amp/)

another rough day for the former guy: not only does he lose his girlfriend laura, but he also informs us the the FBI confiscated his passports (https://www.newsweek.com/why-donald-trump-has-three-passports-1733779)... that's going to make it difficult to "temporarily" visit russia.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 15, 2022, 05:25:33 pm
when I abscond with Top secret info, I always make sure my passports are in the same boxes, duh!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on August 15, 2022, 06:36:29 pm
when I abscond with Top secret info, I always make sure my passports are in the same boxes, duh!

makes sense: those TS dox are mostly valuable to those outside the country, so once the highest bidder emerges you'll need to hand-deliver them (at that price, they expect premier service).
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 16, 2022, 06:34:01 pm
the array continues to happen...although this photo does look a little creepy
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaTwaW9WIAAonyq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Biden hands Joe Manchin the pen he used to sign the Inflation Reduction Act.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 16, 2022, 09:18:34 pm
One of the pens. Traditionally, POTUS uses one pen for each letter of their name in signing ceremonies. (https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/why-president-joe-biden-uses-so-many-different-pens-to-sign-executive-orders/)

(Unless, in this particular case, he used a single pen for this bill...)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on August 16, 2022, 10:13:30 pm
the array continues to happen...although this photo does look a little creepy
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaTwaW9WIAAonyq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Biden hands Joe Manchin the pen he used to sign the Inflation Reduction Act.

That’s a great picture

Biden’s expression says “You really deserve it”

Gotta hand it to Biden that he kept his cool regarding Manchin (when everyone wanted him to go medieval on Manchin) and eventually Manchin came around.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 17, 2022, 04:44:49 pm
note the source...but the new GQP is here to say and the old guard has officially been let out to pasture


George Papadopoulos@GeorgePapa19
When Liz Cheney is sent packing tonight by Wyoming’s voters, it will be the first time in over a hundred years we will no longer have any Bush’s, McCain’s, Cheney’s or Clinton’s in office!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on August 25, 2022, 09:35:17 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/jGq2xKw/Screen-Shot-2022-08-25-at-9-32-35-PM.png)

Damn, this Brandon MFer's not just calling out their bullshit, he's got the goddamn receipts! (https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1562916200866267138)


(x-posted in Twitter thread)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2022, 12:49:09 pm

If you're wondering what led to the sudden shift in the official White House Twitter account's posting strategy
https://twitter.com/jeffbcraven/status/1562957374339497987?s=21&t=hySlPMOufzHBIUb_gW2YEQ


https://newjerseyglobe.com/national/megan-coyne-the-voice-of-new-jersey-is-headed-to-the-white-house/

@morgandorks
when you absolutely positively need to talk shit better than anybody else

you bring in a jersey girl


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2022, 12:55:31 pm
Wait, Mitch was on our side the whole time!!

https://thehill.com/homenews/3614769-trump-calls-for-mcconnell-to-be-ousted-as-gop-leader-immediately/

 “pawn for the Democrats.”

I guess since the didn’t give a vote on the SCOTUS for Garland, he was playing the long game as he knew Dark Brandon would make him AG and get Trump

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 13, 2022, 01:49:43 pm
yeah, while I want it MJ is not THE issue

Roe is really shaping up to be a big factor in an off year election(I know they were already saying that...but it's now post labor day and shit is getting real)

youth vote typically sucks donkey dick, but this is finally an issue that may bring them to the polls

the other factor is there are enough hard core republicans women who will vote D in the booth if their guy is saying they are going to make abortion illegal

Off year elections are always a little bit of a wildcard due to low turnout...don't think that's going to be the case in 2022


this was a good commentary on it

@MalloryMcMorrow
Republicans in June: "It's not an abortion ban; it's sending the issue to the states."

*States all over the country organize to protect access to abortion*

Republicans now: "Elect us and we will pass a nationwide abortion ban."
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 13, 2022, 02:55:37 pm
I know you all hate the polling...but man Biden is having quite the comeback on approval polling
lots of post labor day polls have him in the 45% range...considering he was in the 30s for June/july/aug

It is interesting to note, that almost every president was at exactly the same approval at this time in their first term ...even trump(except for both bush's who had great numbers...I get W due to 9/11, but not sure why everyone was so jazzed by H 18 months in?)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on September 13, 2022, 02:56:44 pm
Americans continue to judge Presidents based on what 87 octane gasoline costs, for some reason.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 13, 2022, 02:59:45 pm
Americans continue to judge Presidents based on what 87 octane gasoline costs, for some reason.
sadly can confirm
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on September 27, 2022, 03:58:29 pm
https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1574329454771417090
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2022, 04:07:03 pm
man, michale moore was on Maher  (who was one of the earliest people to predict Trump would win the nom and 2016) was just giddy with excitement at dems prospect in November...and he's usually quite the debbie downer


LAST UPDATED SEPT. 23, 2022
Welcome to FiveThirtyEight’s 2022 midterm forecast!
We’ve got a bit of a split diagnosis in this election: Republicans are favored to win the House, while Democrats have an edge in the Senate.
In recent weeks, the national environment has improved for Democrats, with their odds of holding onto the House even increasing slightly. It’s early yet, but is it possible the 2022 election will be an asterisk* election?

I know it's a little early (well until the evening of nov 8th every thing is early) but must say I'm feeling good

Also signed up to be a poll worker again this year!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 28, 2022, 10:23:33 am
how can her constituents actually still like her after her opening her mouth for the last two years?  I just don't get it, but guess they love it

538 is giving her a massive slam dunk
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/house/colorado/3/

well, this is based on a July poll, so nothing remotely recent

ugh, boebert country sounds like an insult
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/09/27/lauren-boebert-election-colorado-congress/
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: GAY,GUY on September 28, 2022, 10:34:22 am
I don't like politics, which is why I follow it. Aren't polls of any kind before an election, been proven to just be wishful thinking and it does not actually relate to what is going to happen on voting day?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 28, 2022, 10:45:54 am
also a new tactic is they are trying to take back the 'big lie' and make it hard to know who you are talking about
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdtSJBpVUAAJfUu?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 29, 2022, 02:41:39 pm
hell to the yeah

Cook shifted the races in Pennsylvania and Michigan from “lean Democratic” to “likely Democratic”and the race in Oklahoma from “solid Republican” to “likely Republican.”


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 03, 2022, 10:55:07 am
Man, this doesn't bode well for the dems with the largest growing minority demographic


Steve Kornacki@SteveKornacki
Latino vote, per Pew's validated post-election voter surveys:
2016: Clinton +38
2018: Dems +47
2020: Biden +21
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 03, 2022, 11:24:38 am
Both Establishment Dems and Bernie Bros have a huge disconnect between what they think Hispanic voters care about and what they actually care about. See: abortion, most social issues, the use of the term Latinx.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on October 03, 2022, 08:00:03 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeLtXAjVUAEq3TF?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on October 05, 2022, 11:20:52 pm
Gee with friends like this….

What timing…one month from the midterms

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/04/politics/white-house-lobby-opec-oil-production-cuts-gasoline-prices-midterms/index.html
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on October 06, 2022, 08:20:08 am
If Hershel Walker gets elected I will…..
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on October 06, 2022, 08:58:05 am
If Hershel Walker gets elected I will…..

Boycott the NFL?

Start having multiple affairs, multiple children, and beating the shit out of people to make yourself more electable?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on October 06, 2022, 09:02:54 am
Nah nothing serious like that…just lose all hope
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 11, 2022, 11:05:46 am
Oh no, we have lost Tulsi...how will the dems ever recover from losing the ballast of the org
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on October 11, 2022, 11:12:24 am
She’s gorgeous

And cray
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 11, 2022, 11:16:42 am
She’s gorgeous

And cray
can confirm,
I think she can surf too, the trifecta


oh this was good

Charlotte Clymer@cmclymer
Tulsi Gabbard announcing she's not a Democrat is like Trump announcing he doesn't have a library card.

Yeah. We know.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 11, 2022, 12:51:48 pm
I think a handful of politicians are completely oblivious to the fact that you can’t put the spring snake back in the jar and this era of hyper partisanship is going nowhere, and they think some sort of Hogan/Sinema/Tulsi unity ticket is appealing to *someone* and they’re all going to be out of jobs soon.

Not enough people are talking about Ben Sasse seeing the writing on the wall and giving up a Senate seat in one the reddest of red states to become the President of a University where he’s despised day one.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on October 17, 2022, 08:00:52 pm
Longtime Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley is at 46% to Democrat Mike Franken’s 43% among likely voters – a margin-of-error race that the poll at least suggests is very much up for grabs (https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/politics/chuck-grassley-mike-franken-senate-poll/index.html)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on October 17, 2022, 08:14:55 pm
Longtime Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley is at 46% to Democrat Mike Franken’s 43% among likely voters – a margin-of-error race that the poll at least suggests is very much up for grabs (https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/politics/chuck-grassley-mike-franken-senate-poll/index.html)
Stop. He’s winning by double digits. No one waste one cent on this challenge.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 26, 2022, 05:18:19 pm
I'm sorry, if anything is going to tank fetterman...it's this

Watch live: Fetterman campaigns at event featuring Dave Matthews
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on October 26, 2022, 05:22:13 pm
^ lol
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 29, 2022, 06:06:54 pm
So, is there even a remote chance that Tudor Zombie Porn Queen can win?

Why is obama campaigning there?
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1586425959791706116?s=20&t=W9JY2knD0QdqIjZvoIWtxQ
He sounds great and engaging...but why there?

We need him in the clutch Senate races, like three times a day for the next week
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on October 30, 2022, 02:30:09 am
He was just in Georgia dude!


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2022, 11:01:26 am
not counting chickens, but like the look of this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgZW-PzXwAAU0Rs?format=jpg&name=small)

Didn't realize when I posted this was pre debate in PA
not taking it down, but definitely skews the results
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2022, 12:10:44 pm
So, is there even a remote chance that Tudor Zombie Porn Queen can win?
ok...seeing turd-or is going up in polls, kinda scary that it went from 19points to 5 points since mid aug

but is this really that close of a race that joe and obama are spending time there (I guess it is?)

AZ/PA/TX/FL/GA/OH  all seem like much better places to spend any and all time

please educate me if I'm wrong in MI, but doesn't seem like it's even going to be close
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on October 31, 2022, 12:27:11 pm
So, is there even a remote chance that Tudor Zombie Porn Queen can win?
ok...seeing turd-or is going up in polls, kinda scary that it went from 19points to 5 points since mid aug

but is this really that close of a race that joe and obama are spending time there (I guess it is?)

AZ/PA/TX/FL/GA/OH  all seem like much better places to spend any and all time

please educate me if I'm wrong in MI, but doesn't seem like it's even going to be close
My own thoughts are

I think TX, FL and OH are lost.I don’t think there was ever a realistic path in those places but if it makes people feel good to give $ to Beto instead of setting it on fire…

Joe wanted Whitmer as his VP and MI must remain a D state. There is no path forward if we don’t win MI in 2024.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2022, 12:31:25 pm
god, christ was such a bad choice, didn't we learn anything after T-mac in VA
I did think Val had a shot, but really looking like that is 100% not happening

for a min, seemed like beato was looking good, but man he's going to get creamed
hadn't really checked in on that one
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on October 31, 2022, 12:37:11 pm
Jesus Christ wouldn’t beat Desantis in Florida.

But yes, why democrats keep rolling Christ out of Madame Tussauds I have no idea although to be honest he is a bit like taking the bullet nobody else wants. Hopefully this is the end for him as a candidate. He will probably be rewarded with a sinecure in Biden administration
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2022, 12:45:19 pm
welp, let's all watch $26 million burn
https://www.transparencyusa.org/fl/candidate/charlie-crist/donors

i guess a pittance to Ron's 180 million
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on October 31, 2022, 12:56:02 pm
sinecure

TIL...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 31, 2022, 12:56:59 pm
sinecure

TIL...
I like!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 01, 2022, 09:47:32 am
Ok, I'm never going to learn from the past, I still desire to read the tea leaves on polls...

But this site tracks early voting...and it's very interesting
https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/g2022


this vid of Joy reid in this tweet let me know the way republicans have made an effort to effectively corrupt and dilute the polls
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1587238214313689088?s=20&t=Ci-B9noVLltnOM--KMNWmw
(I did think that was why 538 graded them, alas)

Although one would think releasing polls that show the R's leading (when they are not) would get people off the couch to vote as it looks like the Dem might lose
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 02, 2022, 04:27:01 pm
ack news is going every which way
but didn't like seeing this on 538
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/senate/
senate is now leaning right :(
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 02, 2022, 08:19:47 pm
Had no idea Gosar is running unopposed!

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/10/25/arizona-9th-congressional-district-candidates/10586110002/
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 06, 2022, 11:24:48 pm
My prediction is democrats will receive a shellacking on Tuesday because of inflation. Basically Americans are poorer than they were when Biden took office and it’s pretty much impossible to overcome that….I mean go to a grocery store…it’s bad…never mind the reasons…and most people’s salaries haven’t gone up….people don’t care whose fault it is but they will take it out on democrats. I never bought into this whole women are going to come out in never before seen droves and punish conservatives. Also the congressional hearings on January 6 didn’t break through the noise. So we are fucked. I hope I am wrong and would love to be wrong but I expect Republicans to take control of both houses of Congress with a 15-25 vote majority in the house. Republicans will control the Senate 52-48. Personally I believe we can still retain the presidency in 2024 but given the shellacking that’s coming Tuesday I expect a lot of pressure on Biden not to seek re-election and I think it will be 50-50 whether he runs.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2022, 09:36:46 am
My prediction is democrats will receive a shellacking on Tuesday because of inflation. Basically Americans are poorer than they were when Biden took office and it’s pretty much impossible to overcome that….I mean go to a grocery store…it’s bad…never mind the reasons…and most people’s salaries haven’t gone up….people don’t care whose fault it is but they will take it out on democrats. I never bought into this whole women are going to come out in never before seen droves and punish conservatives. Also the congressional hearings on January 6 didn’t break through the noise. So we are fucked. I hope I am wrong and would love to be wrong but I expect Republicans to take control of both houses of Congress with a 15-25 vote majority in the house. Republicans will control the Senate 52-48. Personally I believe we can still retain the presidency in 2024 but given the shellacking that’s coming Tuesday I expect a lot of pressure on Biden not to seek re-election and I think it will be 50-50 whether he runs.

Nothing to add except I think you are right but hope you are wrong.

They talk about women coming out in droves to save their abortion rights, but what they don't talk about are Christian or Catholic conservative women who want to stop the baby killing. For example, my mother in law who wants to make ammends for her own abortion by preventing others from being able to do the same.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 10:17:52 am
If anything, J6 seemed to inspire the right more than the left :(
I hope we don't lose the senate, but with the filibuster, it's not like we really had it
Had we increased our majority to 55 or something, then it would have been more doable, but at 50-53 it's not as powerful as one would think

I'd like to see the numbers after
To me it seemed like the was a big GOTV effort over the summer, but seemed to kind of wane
almost 160 million people voted in 2020 around 63% of those eligible (that's a quirky thing too as a lot of who should be eligible dems can't vote)

in 2018...which was a huge turnout for a midterm...we only got around 48% around 122 million people

So any thoughts on turnout.  Will it be greater than 2018.   My take is it won't and likely only 100-110 mil will vote...and ergo, the dems get shellacked

I just hope we don't go to 2014 numbers where only 36.4% showed up
oh yea that was the red wave year wasn't it...see a trend


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 10:23:12 am
Of course we have the senate. Who had the committee chairmanships? We’re we able to confirm our nominees?

The things you write sometimes…
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 10:26:29 am
With all due respect


The idea that higher turnout favors the democrats is just one of those erroneous ideas you will evidently go to your grave clutching.

What matters is not the turnout percentage but the turnout percentage of your potential voters (some call it base) and specifically in the places it makes a difference. It’s like you have learned nothing from Trump.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 10:29:05 am
Of course we have the senate. Who had the committee chairmanships? We’re we able to confirm our nominees?

ok yes those things are important
but bills live or die on the filibuster.
so yes judges (ok big deal) and budget allocations and such
but we can't get things for the president to sign in the current make up

you will evidently go to your grave clutching.
absolutely, may even ask to have it be my epitaph

What matters is not the turnout percentage but the turnout percentage of your potential voters (some call it base) and specifically in the places it makes a difference.
of course, but the voter suppression of the dem vote though various nefarious methods across soo many states means that the only way to combat that is to show up in greater numbers across the board
Now Trump actually increased the R turnout in 2020 by like 11 mil.  That was incredible and why the GOP licks his balls on the daily as he got the votes out (and sadly is doing the same this election)

I Rember a few years ago Smakie posted an article from the economist that stated that dems pretty much have to win elections by 56% or higher due to the EC/voter suppression/Gerrymadering/closing/moving polls/purging rolls of only dem voters



In good news in Virginia, it is now the Law that you can do same day voter registration at the polls!
that's awesome and trust me the GOP in VA didn't want that to happen
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 10:38:08 am
Any US president is only going to be able to pass a few select bills. That’s the way it works (or doesn’t). It’s been that way for decades. Anybody thinking we had a shot at 55 really either needs to visit the loony bin or start reading more.

Administering the huge federal bureaucracy, making all the regulations etc is a huge part of governing. Even if Biden hadn’t passed one bill the change from Trump would be night and day.

 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 10:49:10 am
Anybody thinking we had a shot at 55 really either needs to visit the loony bin or start reading more.
I didn't think that was actually going to happen based on how things were going.

but if there was an amazing groundswell of GOTV and people got off their asses in the right states...there is no reason mathmaticly it couldn't

That is what happened in VA.  Biden wins by ten points...one year later we get a GOP gov, because 800k of dems just stayed home
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 10:59:27 am
Anybody thinking we had a shot at 55 really either needs to visit the loony bin or start reading more.
I didn't think that was actually going to happen based on how things were going.

but if there was an amazing groundswell of GOTV and people got off their asses in the right states...there is no reason mathmaticly it couldn't

That is what happened in VA.  Biden wins by ten points...one year later we get a GOP gov, because 800k of dems just stayed home

Turnout is always lower in non presidential elections and on both sides. You can’t seriously expect turnout in VA to have matched the presidential election with highest turnout in like a century!

Saying if 800,000 more people who would vote for me voted I would win….if nobody else voted for the other guy…

Well, I think it blathers for itself

The whole voter suppression thing we discussed months ago…democrats just want to blame those evil republicans and the fact democrats have controlled cities with five hour long voting lines cycle after cycle and managed to do exactly nothing to make it better escapes them… they are entirely powerless we are told….they have never controlled all levels of state government…the federal government is powerless…it’s just them evil racist republicans….
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 11:04:20 am
Saying if 800,000 more people who would vote for me voted I would win…
well we only needed 75k more of them to show up, not 800k
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 11:36:14 am
Terry should never have been the candidate; that’s what it boils down to….

The rest is hypothetical.

But there was a lesson in Virginia which is democrats can’t run on simply trying to tie republicans to Trump or fearmongering about the end times if Republicans win….

Blaming people for not voting really is not constructive…it doesn’t accomplish anything…better to look into why they are not voting

Also, calling people racists really doesn’t get you any closer to getting their vote. It’s not as simple as you are a racist or not. At least I don’t think so…People have racial prejudices they have been socialized into…you still have to communicate with these people and try to earn their vote…calling them racists just doesn’t get you very far.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 11:46:43 am
Terry should never have been the candidate; that’s what it boils down to….
  well I can't argue with that, jules and his "He bought me a beer so I'll vote for him" really swung the vote in the primaries
but there weren't great primary candidates either
why are we having such a hard time finding good candidates


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But there was a lesson in Virginia which is democrats can’t run on simply trying to tie republicans to Trump or fearmongering about the end times if Republicans win….
yep and that seemed to be the strategy for 2022 :(
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 11:48:57 am
I also think abortion is a terrible issue to run on. It’s important and all but making it the centerpiece of your outreach to voters….

People are worried about inflation…about bills..

Democrats response: crickets

You could run on Biden’s record coming out of the pandemic. Surely there must be some way to explain inflation-not just a US phenomenon…it’s global right now…look at Great Britain- as resulting from the stimulus that was necessary to face the fact people couldn’t work. US jobs have come roaring back, the economy is growing (many other countries not!). And yet not a word is said so the message is “yes we have inflation and it sucks..we are trying!”? That is such a loser
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 07, 2022, 12:51:42 pm
well I can't argue with that, jules and his "He bought me a beer so I'll vote for him" really swung the vote in the primaries

Its better to be a kingmaker than a king.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 07, 2022, 01:03:58 pm
I’m still not exactly sure how Dems are supposed to control inflation in the face of obvious corporate malfeasance… did you know 60% of the bleach market is controlled by one company and they just raised their prices

Biden just last week announced a program to help households with their upcoming heating bills

The house passed a bill that would have dealt with rising gas prices and there were other bills too, but with the filibuster nothing is going to happen with any of that in the senate
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 01:16:23 pm
Definitely can’t control inflation.

But Democrats hardly talk up any good news regarding the economy. It’s all about abortion and Trump.

Corporations always get the blame for raising prices. They raise prices when their costs of doing business go up. And it becomes a cycle. One company raises prices then another follows etc. When wages fail to keep up people become relatively poorer and blame government. Obviously coming out of the pandemic there were global issues that caused inflation: supply chain issues, scarcity of workers, etc. Then the Russian invasion of Ukraine caused energy prices to go up…Blaming the evil rich corporations is stupid. It’s what governments do in places like Argentina. Nobody buys it and you lose credibility.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 01:59:09 pm
But Democrats hardly talk up any good news regarding the economy. It’s all about abortion and Trump.
appears was an agreed on policy across the board, seemed like a winning plan
but I agree now, it was not

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Blaming the evil rich corporations is stupid.

Well I would argue it's not being done effectively
I do think our gov't should move forward with a new 'trust-busting' era as the consolidation in so many industries is off the charts compared to the turn of the last century

Everyone focuses on the silcon valley ones, but the areas I think we should focus on are the Food chain, healthcare  and energy
coporations are driving the conversation

Its complex, but the corps have the advantage in the PR. They have both sides of congress in their pockets and have convinced 1/2 of the voting population that they are doing the good of the people by exploiting them
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 02:04:24 pm
But Democrats hardly talk up any good news regarding the economy. It’s all about abortion and Trump.
appears was an agreed on policy across the board, seemed like a winning plan
but I agree now, it was not

Quote
Blaming the evil rich corporations is stupid.

Well I would argue it's not being done effectively
I do think our gov't should move forward with a new 'trust-busting' era as the consolidation in so many industries is off the charts compared to the turn of the last century

Everyone focuses on the silcon valley ones, but the areas I think we should focus on are the Food chain, healthcare  and energy
coporations are driving the conversation

It complex, but the corps have the advantage in the PR. They have both sides of congress in their pockets and have convinced 1/2 of the voting population that they are doing the good of the people by exploiting them

Well we are talking about inflation.

Let me get this straight: inflation for about 40 years has been really low but largely the same evil corporations devised a master plan to raise prices for no reason other than to line their pockets? Simultaneously and in cahoots with other corporations all over the world?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on November 07, 2022, 02:06:08 pm


Corporations always get the blame for raising prices. They raise prices when their costs of doing business go up. And it becomes a cycle. One company raises prices then another follows etc. When wages fail to keep up people become relatively poorer and blame government. Obviously coming out of the pandemic there were global issues that caused inflation: supply chain issues, scarcity of workers, etc. Then the Russian invasion of Ukraine caused energy prices to go up…Blaming the evil rich corporations is stupid.

What are you even saying?

ExxonMobil recorded its higher ever quarterly profit - $17.9 billion dollars for three months - in 2022 Q2. If that's not evil corporation price gouging I have no idea what is. They could easily have held prices, or even lowered them and still had made more money than they know what to do with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/08/oil-companies-profits-inflation/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/08/oil-companies-profits-inflation/)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 02:14:16 pm
Oil companies make huge profits when oil PRICES go way up. Always been that way. But they don’t raise the cost of a barrel of oil. OPEC etc does that. Demand and supply to an extent.

Personally I think gas prices have been fine except for a few months. The barrel of oil is at close to $100! What do we expect? The same price at the pump as when it was $50? Just doesn’t work like that…

That’s part of the issue with inflation- energy prices- but it’s part and in my opinion a small part…we had gas prices much higher a few years ago and no inflation.

The real killer is the grocery store.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 02:18:11 pm
Let me get this straight: inflation for about 40 years has been really low but largely the same evil corporations devised a master plan to raise prices for no reason other than to line their pockets? Simultaneously and in cahoots with other corporations all over the world?
wow, you finally get it.
welcome to the party comrade, you will get a shirt and armband in the mail
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 02:19:25 pm
And you can probably blame the Saudis more than anyone. They are trying to torpedo Biden.

Biden faces a difficult international context with powerful enemies everywhere: the Saudis, Netanyahu, the Russians and China. All of them want Trump back.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 07, 2022, 02:21:30 pm
what grateful said.  greedy corporations see prices increasing, so they tag on their own "inflation."  never let a good crisis go to waste.

i wouldn't be surprised to hear that companies with antipathy to the current administration - oil sector, perchance? - made a point of playing politics by raising prices more aggressively then if the GOP was in power.  fuel that unhappiness and pain at the pump/register/etc.  do their little part to get their guys back in.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 02:33:41 pm
Poppycock and speculation. Typical Democrat anti-business BS.


I don’t care for oil companies either but when oil prices were low they struggled. They didn’t raise the price of gas at the pump! Hell it got to like $1.60 a gallon!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 02:38:28 pm
Ok, probably won't move the dial...but jez-louise

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg-L91JWQAMPsZ9?format=jpg&name=medium)

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 02:43:49 pm
I mean are there greedy corporations? Sure. And government has a role to play - regulation-  which democrats always talk about like getting big corporations to pay taxes… nothing ever seems to happen though…

Companies are always going to try to maximize profits. Biden’s strategy of trying to publicly shame oil companies is all bark and no bite. For the peanut gallery

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 03:20:28 pm
Ok Sabato is calling it with

237-198 republicans

51-49 Republicans


Geez…
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 03:32:18 pm
Ok Sabato is calling it with

this guy: Antonio Sabato Jr?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 03:34:48 pm
Larry Sabato.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 03:40:10 pm
actually, I knew that, but it was funnier to post
 I guess it should have gone like "at least we still have ASJ"
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 07, 2022, 03:48:34 pm
actually, I knew that, but it was funnier to post
 I guess it should have gone like "at least we still have ASJ"

It's unfortunate we still have him. Though WE don't have him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/antonio-sabato-jr-says-supporting-donald-trump-ended-his-hollywood-n1151016
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 03:52:36 pm
actually, I knew that, but it was funnier to post
 I guess it should have gone like "at least we still have ASJ"

It's unfortunate we still have him. Though WE don't have him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/antonio-sabato-jr-says-supporting-donald-trump-ended-his-hollywood-n1151016

ASJ: waahh, no one will hire me because I support DJT
people who hire actors: Nah, that's not the reason
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 07, 2022, 05:06:59 pm
Hollywood definitely has a long tradition of blacklisting actors, writers, you name it.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 07, 2022, 05:15:48 pm
I mean a guy with a resume of daytime soaps and Melrose place...then Throughout the late 1990s, he starred in various TV movies and direct-to-video films,

I don't know why they are knocking on his door

although TIL he is a jew

and this little tid bit
In 2013, Sabàto was named the international celebrity spokesperson for AnastasiaDate, an online mail-order bride website which connects wealthy American older men with Eastern European women.

Must be how he got in Trumps inner circle

wow, had no idea where the ASJ rabbit hole would end, but didn't perdict I'd see this
Sabàto had testosterone pellets injected into his buttocks

again with that pedagree, not sure why he's not in many major motion picture productions
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 08, 2022, 03:40:13 pm
Wasserman is not predicting a good day for the Dems
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 08, 2022, 03:53:10 pm
Our new Senator from Georgia...

Herschel Walker has noticed Democrats emphasizing threats to democracy, and the Georgia Republican apparently wants to contribute to the conversation. For example, the Senate hopeful appeared on Fox News on Friday night and shared these thoughts:

“The biggest threat to democracy is to have Sen. [Raphael] Warnock out there, to have Senator Warnock voting to put men in women’s sports. That’s the biggest threat to democracy.”

Well, no, actually it’s not. Decisions about transgender athletes aren’t made by senators — the GOP candidate appeared to be referring to a Senate vote that never happened — and none of this relates to the health, stability, or durability of our democracy.

And so, on Sunday morning, Walker tried again, pointing to what he sees as a different threat during another Fox News appearance.

“When you have a president talking about the biggest threat to democracy, it seems to be to electing a Republican. But I want everyone that is listening to me, the biggest threat to democracy is to have him at the White House. “

Why is President Joe Biden a threat to democracy? Walker didn’t get around to explaining his rationale, probably because he didn’t have one.

Eventually, the Georgian gave this one last try.

“The biggest threat to democracy is to have someone like Senator Warnock that voted against our Keystone pipeline, which put us in an international threat. I think, right now, that’s a threat, and it’s a security threat. We’re going to our enemies to ask for energy. That’s a threat. That’s the biggest threat to democracy there.”

For the record, the idea that the Keystone XL pipeline has created “an international threat” is not to be taken seriously. Politico reported last week, “President Joe Biden’s regulators have approved new oil and gas wells at a far faster pace than the Trump administration did during its first 21 months in office — a fact that undermines Republican election-year arguments about the causes of this year’s high gasoline prices. The U.S. has also produced more crude oil since Biden’s inauguration than it had done during the equivalent period of former President Donald Trump’s presidency.”

But even putting these details aside, why in the world would anyone see this as “the biggest threat to democracy”?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 08, 2022, 07:27:36 pm
Hmm, this is contrary to hutch’s thinking


CBS Pennsylvania Exit Poll:

Which ONE of these issues mattered most to your vote?

Abortion 36%
Inflation 28%
Crime 11%
Gun policy 10%
Immigration 8%
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 08, 2022, 07:58:23 pm
Is abortion more than inflation + crime + immigration? No? Welp.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 08, 2022, 08:54:51 pm
Is abortion more than inflation + crime + immigration? No? Welp.
rain on my parade won’t you
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 08, 2022, 11:13:52 pm
Nice, Abigail!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 08, 2022, 11:34:02 pm
If the Dems can keep the senate 50-50, this is a borderline miraculous performance by them overall compared to what it’s looked like for weeks.

Boebert in trouble!? EDIT: no, nevermind. All the remaining votes are in GOP areas.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on November 09, 2022, 01:17:44 am
At this point, the shellacking seems to be more of a medium glaze.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2022, 03:15:25 am
Fetterman beats Oz!!!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2022, 03:22:54 am
Warnock has a small lead on Walker, but neither will get to the required 50% - so there would be a runoff.

i was jumping around different networks' live coverage on youtube.  NBC was unwatchable: 2-3 minutes of un-insightful observations (not analysis), followed by 4-5 of commenrcials for their own documentary and special reports that all look like leftist scaremongering.  so awful.   
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2022, 03:42:17 am
At this point, the shellacking seems to be more of a medium glaze.

and at this point, it's looking more and more like a light drizzling.

not impossible that Dems get themselves to 51 in the senate.  how awesome would it be if manchin wasn't running the damn show all the time??

house is probably still going to the GOP, but not looking to be by much.  dems are over-performing vs. expectations. talking heads on PBS have been hyperventilating while pointing out scenarios that could result in the dems holding on by one or two seats... pipe dreams.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 09, 2022, 06:34:58 am
Went to be knowing that Fetterman was outperforming Biden’s numbers across the state, so felt good about that..

Lauren B. Is still losing!!!

Looks like the Nevada Senate seat is in play for the Dems

Michigan is the home of some badass female Dems!!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 09, 2022, 07:32:20 am
Holy shit.. Michigan Dems have appeared to have flipped both their state house and senates.. looks like abortion along with a bunch of rep lunatics running for office helped tip the scales

I’m aware of at least three MAGA clowns  running for congress that went down in MI, OH and NC.  The “rapper vet” in OH even lost in a newly gerrymander district.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 09, 2022, 07:53:45 am
Minnesota Senate also flipped to Dems!! Nice trifecta there now
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2022, 08:43:39 am
Fearing the worse I willfully ignored results and am waking up to better than expected results? Is this true?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2022, 09:05:47 am
Arlington County results. Clement loses another one even with my vote.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 09:57:56 am
This is an A+ performance by Dems.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 09, 2022, 10:28:50 am
This is an A+ performance by Dems.

Yup!!! Witness what happened in Michigan, they flipped control of the Senate after it was held by the Republican's for forty years.

What gains the Repubs made in congress were excepted as they were winning in heavily gerrymandered Florida districts.  But, the two Dem congressional districts wins in Ohio were also significant in the final count.

No clue as to what the makeup of the PA or WI legislative bodies are, but one would hope in the next round of elections, Dems put as much energy in those races as they did for Fetterman, etc  Ohio is a lost cause at this point...

the khaki wearing dude on MSNBC basically said control of the house really depends on what happens in CA at this point and it takes a long time to count votes in CA so it could be awhile.

My prediction is Lauren B. will become a Faux News grievance correspondence, will say something completely outrageous and land on newsmax 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 10:40:13 am
welp turned into a red ripple

although still looking like Impeachment-Palooza for the next 2 years...so don't get so excited


Glad to hear about MI across the board
PA was great and we need to keep that blue, which if the GOP had put up a better candidate, don't think JF would have won
Nice to see them electing a Jewish gov too

Also MA with our first lesbian gov!
MD with it's first African American gov!
MD with Pot legal! as well as MO!

GA...welp Stacy got smacked down
Sucks about people like her and beato, sound like great people for the Dems, but if they can't win elections...then are they?

Run off for Warnock, ugh...but dems seemed to do well in GA special elections in the recent past, so we'll see


VA
Nice to see almost 1 mill votes in a mid terms

glad to see Spanberger won
Beyer with 73.5% of the vote! 
could he be running for Gov in 2025? or will he go senate?
Wexton seemed like a gimmie, but before today, it seemed like a nailbiter under the current climate

We did need Elaine Luria, but knew it was a long shot.

Florida was a red wedding for sure, but everyone predicted that...same with TX
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 10:46:16 am
Wisconsin legislative bodies or perhaps the most gerrymandered in the entire country. Super majorities for Republicans in both despite more votes going to Democratic candidate statewide.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 10:57:53 am
also would like to state Dobbs and Democracy seemed to play a bigger role than the economy...can I get an apology from some people here
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2022, 11:05:26 am
Of course man, once you apologize for saying why is Biden wasting time in Michigan when he could be in Ohio and Florida (we lost those by 15-20 points).

And I will wait til all the results are in thank you very much.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 11:11:38 am
Of course man, once you apologize for saying why is Biden wasting time in Michigan when he could be in Ohio and Florida (we lost those by 15-20 points).
So did that really move the dial in MI??  I mean really...did it do anything?
BTW I was talking about Obama, Biden doesn't get anyone excited

I admitted poor judgment on FL and TX already.  last FL for Gov was so freaking close.  but Sorry Charlie...what a horrible idea for a candidate. I'm still having trouble accepting that FL is pretty much Red.  I spent over 40 years in south east FL, so I keep thinking that's how the state thinks, when that's the minority

And I will wait til all the results are in thank you very much.
wise choice.  but figure I could do a small victory lap based on what we know

I just think that losing the house is going to be a shitshow and all we are going to hear about is HUNTER BIDEN and how the US is going to crumble because hunter is such a powerful person and controls everything from his laptop
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2022, 11:29:50 am
It’s so hard to tell why people vote the way they do….

But the results seem better than I anticipated…

Doesn’t mean focusing more on the economy and less on Trump/abortion wouldn’t have led to better results. It’s just happened and we are still counting.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 11:51:42 am
still some votes to count, but people are starting to claim that Lauren Boebert isn't going to win!

this was also interesting...I hope lake loses
@atrupar
Katie Hobbs took a lot of shit for not debating Kari Lake. The conventional wisdom may have been wrong on that one.


I think hutch would have said the same about Fetterman (and looking back, I think it would have been a smarter choice)

also feels good to see Sarah Palin losing in AK


whoa...he is definately running in 2024.  this could be the cleaving of the GOP I have fortold for 6 years, but has yet to happen
DeSantis outperformed Trump’s 2020 vote across the entire state, even winning Miami-Dade County with a whopping R+11 margin
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 12:13:11 pm
Damn, why do dems keep putting losers in charge of their orgs

New York: Sean Patrick Maloney, the chair of the DCCC, has conceded his race
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on November 09, 2022, 12:17:28 pm
DeSantis gerrymandered the hell out of FL so that is a reason why he may have performed so well.  He's a fuck-face like Trump and that is a fucked up state so no surprise in the outcome.  I hope they both beat each other to a bloody pulp the next 2 years.

still some votes to count, but people are starting to claim that Lauren Boebert isn't going to win!

this was also interesting...I hope lake loses
@atrupar
Katie Hobbs took a lot of shit for not debating Kari Lake. The conventional wisdom may have been wrong on that one.


I think hutch would have said the same about Fetterman (and looking back, I think it would have been a smarter choice)

also feels good to see Sarah Palin losing in AK


whoa...he is definately running in 2024.  this could be the cleaving of the GOP I have fortold for 6 years, but has yet to happen
DeSantis outperformed Trump’s 2020 vote across the entire state, even winning Miami-Dade County with a whopping R+11 margin
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 12:18:39 pm
still some votes to count, but people are starting to claim that Lauren Boebert isn't going to win!
I see a lot of contradictory info here. LOTS of Dems wishcasting. NYT county breakdown of the remaining votes would seem favorable to the Dem but their model seems to think there's a block of Boebert votes in one county, despite the counted votes (which should be day-of) there already being favorable to the Dem. Seems like a lot of confusion about what is left outstanding in Pueblo, a town I actually have been to like 10 times as a kid when I lived in Colorado. (All politics are local when you're Julian.)

whoa...he is definately running in 2024.  this could be the cleaving of the GOP I have fortold for 6 years, but has yet to happen
DeSantis outperformed Trump’s 2020 vote across the entire state, even winning Miami-Dade County with a whopping R+11 margin
Trump's vanity candidates lost PA and likely cost the GOP a Georgia senate seat for a third time. I've never thought DeSantis had a real path to the nomination if trump decided he wanted to run again, but yesterday was VERY bad for Trump. (He gets no credit for endorsing people like Vance where any GOPer was going to win the seat no matter what.) Florida is the ONE bright spot for GOP yesterday. (They did OK in NY too.)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 12:27:25 pm
ahh the dems with the wishcasting.  I think it's a requirement for entry, I know I do a whole lot of it
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 01:09:06 pm
Newswire has called Boeberts defeat. I’d wait to pop the champagne until a larger org does but put the champagne on ice.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2022, 01:13:45 pm
yesterday was VERY bad for Trump

Former President Donald Trump "is livid” and “screaming at everyone” after last night’s disappointing GOP results in the midterms, a Trump adviser who has been in contact with Trump’s inner circle tells CNN.

“Candidates matter,” the Trump adviser said. “They were all bad candidates,” the adviser continued, critiquing many of Trump’s handpicked contenders in key battleground states.

This adviser said it’s unlikely Trump would delay his expected presidential announcement because “it’s too humiliating to delay.” But the adviser said there are too many unknowns at this point.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 09, 2022, 01:30:27 pm
“Candidates matter,” the Trump adviser said. “They were all bad candidates,” the adviser continued, critiquing many of Trump’s handpicked contenders in key battleground states.

Trump clones minus the messianic auras equal unelectable buffoons.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 01:51:01 pm
Nate Silver is saying his current best guess is GOP 220-Dems 215. While I never want to see the Dems lose the house, trying to see the GOP form a quorum will be hilarious if that's the margin. Not sure McCarthy can win Speaker at that.

Do the Dems pull 2-3 moderate GOPers to not support the GOP Speaker leader-in-the-clubhouse in exchange for a united Democratic House block voting for . . . Liz Cheney, Speaker of the House? *gets the vapors*
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 02:03:10 pm
Wisconsin legislative bodies or perhaps the most gerrymandered in the entire country. Super majorities for Republicans in both despite more votes going to Democratic candidate statewide.
I need to correct this. They have fallen JUST short of supermajorities in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 02:35:31 pm
yesterday was VERY bad for Trump

Former President Donald Trump "is livid” and “screaming at everyone” after last night’s disappointing GOP results in the midterms, a Trump adviser who has been in contact with Trump’s inner circle tells CNN.

“Candidates matter,” the Trump adviser said. “They were all bad candidates,” the adviser continued, critiquing many of Trump’s handpicked contenders in key battleground states.

This adviser said it’s unlikely Trump would delay his expected presidential announcement because “it’s too humiliating to delay.” But the adviser said there are too many unknowns at this point.


Narrator: shortly after this interaction, this advisor was no longer employed by the trump org
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 02:46:57 pm
God, had the Dems not screwed the pooch in NY -- of all places -- retaining the House would legitimately be in play.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 02:51:19 pm
so if we want the senate, are we all sending money into Warnock's run off

is it only one month this time?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 02:56:50 pm
so if we want the senate, are we all sending money into Warnock's run off

is it only one month this time?
I think it'll be 50-49 for the Dems going into the runoff at this point.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 02:59:54 pm
so if we want the senate, are we all sending money into Warnock's run off

is it only one month this time?
I think it'll be 50-49 for the Dems going into the runoff at this point.
oh so save my money and dump into TSLA
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 03:03:28 pm
Republicans flopped last night because "these women just went crazy". (https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1590409501446148096?s=20&t=I_Rz8RSILGF7fFrOnTnqBg)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2022, 03:07:45 pm
God I feel so good…but trying to stay even keeled until more counting takes place


There are all kinds of takes on what happened last night; thankfully what I thought would happen did not. It was not a shellacking and inflation does not appear to have disproportionately driven voters. That’s about all I can say right now.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 09, 2022, 03:14:06 pm
so if we want the senate, are we all sending money into Warnock's run off

is it only one month this time?
I think it'll be 50-49 for the Dems going into the runoff at this point.

Cortez Masto will pull it out?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 09, 2022, 03:15:49 pm
so if we want the senate, are we all sending money into Warnock's run off

is it only one month this time?
I think it'll be 50-49 for the Dems going into the runoff at this point.

Cortez Masto will pull it out?
The election data nerds say she is still a slight favorite.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2022, 03:33:10 pm
so if we want the senate, are we all sending money into Warnock's run off

is it only one month this time?
I think it'll be 50-49 for the Dems going into the runoff at this point.
oh so save my money and dump into TSLA

wrong take: we need Warnock to win, so Dems have a one-vote majority, AKA they can afford to lose a vote and still pass things (on votes that only require 50).  this would allow the Dems to occasionally tell Manchin to sit down and shut up.


Nate Silver is saying his current best guess is GOP 220-Dems 215. While I never want to see the Dems lose the house, trying to see the GOP form a quorum will be hilarious if that's the margin.

i think that would be a scary situation: just like the entire Dem caucus had to kowtow to Manchin every time he wanted to extract concessions; the fringe elements of the GOP - MTG and the like (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3726770-marjorie-taylor-greene-vows-to-make-damn-sure-republicans-straighten-up-our-country/) - suddenly become kingmakers.  in his desperation to get the gavel, mccarthy is likely willing to give whatever those folks want in exchange for their support.  i don't want to see MGT on, say, the judiciary committee... but she could demand it if her vote is important enough.  on the flip side, given their penchant for disorganization and self-centeredness, a house with a slim GOP majority will likely devolve into a shit-show that goes nowhere more often than not.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2022, 03:35:33 pm
“Candidates matter,” the Trump adviser said. “They were all bad candidates,” the adviser continued, critiquing many of Trump’s handpicked contenders in key battleground states.

Trump clones minus the messianic auras equal unelectable buffoons.

Trump plus the messianic aura equal an electable but even bigger buffoon.

that's so trump: pumped up those candidates in the run-up, "we have the best, the best people", etc etc etc and then cuts them loose like an anchor the second they fail - in his name.  because trump can only win, right?  if he doesn't, then it's someone else's fault...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2022, 03:40:27 pm
There are all kinds of takes on what happened last night; thankfully what I thought would happen did not.
 
i'm still partial to the theory that the majority of polls in the last month were from right-leaning or right-sponsored pollsters, so their results skewed the poll-of-poll numbers that talking heads use - hence the chicken little-worth claims of imminent and complete doom.  conspiracy theory is that they did this to create enthusiasm on the right and suppress votes on the left ("why bother voting, the dems aren't going to win either way...").  maybe it backfired?  maybe the right became complacent ("we got this, no worries") while motivating the left?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 09, 2022, 04:31:42 pm
PA Dems just flipped their House as well, first time in control in a decade
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 09, 2022, 04:34:32 pm
“Candidates matter,” the Trump adviser said. “They were all bad candidates,” the adviser continued, critiquing many of Trump’s handpicked contenders in key battleground states.

Trump clones minus the messianic auras equal unelectable buffoons.

Trump plus the messianic aura equal an electable but even bigger buffoon.

that's so trump: pumped up those candidates in the run-up, "we have the best, the best people", etc etc etc and then cuts them loose like an anchor the second they fail - in his name.  because trump can only win, right?  if he doesn't, then it's someone else's fault...

Speaking of unelectable buffoons: Dan Cox:  “While we always felt it might be a close race, the outcome was a complete surprise.” (https://wtop.com/maryland/2022/11/2022-maryland-election-moore-vs-cox-in-potentially-history-making-governors-race-plus-ag-and-comptroller-results/)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2022, 04:42:59 pm
Trump is just going to blame McConnell and McCarthy if things go bad.

But, yeah, regardless of final numbers a bad night for Trump. Got to wonder if the party will continue to suck up to and coddle him. Also have to ask if Trump fever may have broken.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 09, 2022, 04:59:10 pm
"if they win, I should get all the credit, if they lose I should not be blamed at all" (https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1590385675026980865?s=20&t=I_Rz8RSILGF7fFrOnTnqBg)

I bet you can't guess who said that
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2022, 11:13:44 pm
Boebert down by about 70 votes right now
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 09, 2022, 11:58:27 pm
Clusterfuck in Maricopa


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2022, 09:52:44 am
Arlington County results. Clement loses another one even with my vote.
What a lot of wealthy arlingtonions didn’t realize is a vote for de ferrantti  was a vote for the missing middle

Clement was 100% opposed to the missing middle plan
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 10, 2022, 09:58:09 am
Huh? She did way better in north Arlington precisely cause people realized it…she performed worse around where you live…

She actually won some areas all in north Arlington

Maybe I am misunderstanding you
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 10, 2022, 10:08:24 am
Ok I think I understand what you are saying….many probably didn’t realize it.. but obviously some did given how Clement relatively speaking performed better in North Arlington (or does she usually perform better in the north?) the whole missing middle thing was weird as it wasn’t on the ballot directly and I bet many thought it would be..

I can’t believe I voted for over half a billion in new local spending!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2022, 11:50:13 am
Ok I think I understand what you are saying….many probably didn’t realize it.. but obviously some did given how Clement relatively speaking performed better in North Arlington (or does she usually perform better in the north?) the whole missing middle thing was weird as it wasn’t on the ballot directly and I bet many thought it would be..
Yes confused a lot that it was not directly on the ballot and didn't understand who supported it
Makes sence she crushed in N.Arl where all the rich/single family homes are

I think clement did very poorly in the poor side of Arlington, my hood (Lower Arlington: keeping Arlington stabby)

(poor Arlington where it's only 800-1.5mill for a SFH.  To be fair, we also have a lot of section 8 housing, don't think there is any above rt 50)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 10, 2022, 11:53:07 am
I am still confused by your original post but am giving up. You seem to have directly contradicted yourself.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2022, 11:54:37 am
well I was thinking with clement getting only 28% a lot of wealthy SFH residents in arliton didn't realize they should have voted for her if they were opposed to the missing middle

but maybe they only make up 30% of the arlintonion pop?

Eat the rich!  ...waitamin, most people think I'm rich, so maybe I need to rethink that
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 10, 2022, 12:02:16 pm
well I was thinking with clement getting only 28% a lot of wealthy SFH residents in arliton didn't realize they should have voted for her if they were opposed to the missing middle

but maybe they only make up 30% of the arlintonion pop?

Eat the rich!  ...waitamin, most people think I'm rich, so maybe I need to rethink that

I think a homeowner in the area you live near the new Amazon has seen their property appreciate more than anyone else in Arlington.

Clement is really progressive so it’s sad if relatively less wealthy people in Arlington just straight vote D.

As I said, Clement won 3 or 4 districts in north Arlington with over 50%. Her worst area was close to the pentagon with 20%. So, I take your point that maybe some people in north Arlington weren’t informed but seems like in general they were quite informed which is why she did better in north Arlington.

I now pronounce this horse dead.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2022, 12:11:38 pm

I think a homeowner in the area you live near the new Amazon has seen their property appreciate more than anyone else in Arlington.
can confirm! equity has grown tremendously in 4 years

but we still are on the wrong side of rt 50

ok one more beat down on this horse

The sample ballot that Arlington Dems handed out didn't have Clement on their sample ballot...so I think that had an impact too

also De Feranti does have a liberal pedigree, but he's no bernie

Yikes just read this too
Clement, in her 11th bid for the office,
Time to throw in the towel
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on November 10, 2022, 01:34:39 pm
I am still confused by your original post but am giving up. You seem to have directly contradicted yourself.

I now pronounce this horse dead.

You might say it's an excontradiction?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 10, 2022, 02:35:43 pm
short video of right-wing pundits melting down over election results (https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1590683151172792320) - their solution is to get those pesky independent young women married

one of my favorite talking heads attributed the lack of a red wave to the following 3 factors:

- GOP took away rights (abortion) which was unpopular across the board
- trump is a liability in the general
- young voters showed for the dems, usually they're written off as "unlikely voters" but that wasn't the case.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2022, 02:48:57 pm
- young voters showed for the dems, usually they're written off as "unlikely voters" but that wasn't the case.
I can't wait to hear the numbers on this
I was very skeptical gen z would show up. but seems like for an off year election,that had a huge impact
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 10, 2022, 02:55:28 pm
Under the old NY maps, GOP would’ve won 4 seats in the state.

Cuomo’s judges overturned his attempt to gerrymander and now NY is sending 11 GOPers to the house. It’s very, very likely the GOP wins the house by less than that 7 seat delta.

Fucking Cuomo.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 10, 2022, 02:58:36 pm
Yeah lots of finger pointing going on in NY amongst dems at the moment, lots of anger directed at the party chair as well
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 10, 2022, 03:01:47 pm
They elected a dem gov with a 5 point lead!
Suspect some crappy dem candidates out of touch with their constituents

Jules analysis makes me very sad
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 10, 2022, 03:07:05 pm
Stolen from Twitter because no worth my time to retype just to word 98% the same:

Quote
On the Steven Crowder Show, Arizona Republican Kari Lake attacks Gov. Ron DeSantis, stating that he is part of a conspiracy to slow-roll her election results and that he is trying to paint Trump Republicans as unable to win elections.

Totally here for the Trump/DeSantis Civil War.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 10, 2022, 04:52:46 pm
Boebert now up by nearly 800 votes.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 10, 2022, 05:41:08 pm
There’s still like 5,000 mail-in Pueblo ballots which should break the Dems way but I do think she’s going to hold on for a 100-200 vote victory at this point.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 10, 2022, 08:37:56 pm
Looks like Maricopa County is truly fed up with election conspiracy nut jobs

https://twitter.com/maricopacounty/status/1590830383222095873?s=46&t=Gmbp7bNHPyPtWnzWKI3gMw

Not every woman with glasses is Katie Hobbs.
We can confirm this was a party Observer. Please refrain from making assumptions about workers who happen to wear glasses.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on November 10, 2022, 08:48:30 pm
I was very skeptical gen z would show up. but seems like for an off year election,that had a huge impact

You have to make it easy for them to vote. My home state, Michigan, was busing kids from the campuses to the polls. They have same day voter registration in Michigan now, too. It was like machinery. UM students supposedly voted for Whitmer 90%-10%.

Turns out making women beg for their lives when their pregnancies go south is not politically popular. Who knew?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 10, 2022, 09:06:10 pm
They have same day voter registration in Michigan now, too. It was like machinery. UM students supposedly voted for Whitmer 90%-10%.
It was 96% to 4%. Leaders and Best.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2022, 08:58:01 am
just reminicing when dems had a shot in FL

In 2018, Rick Scott defeated Bill Nelson by 10,033 votes & DeSantis defeated Andrew Gillum by 32,463 votes


this is how the GOP use voter suppression in all forms to win elections
few hundred here, few hundred there...voilà you can win an election

I know I'm reliving the past, but it still continues, and we still allow it to happen
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 11, 2022, 01:58:24 pm
I was very skeptical gen z would show up. but seems like for an off year election,that had a huge impact

You have to make it easy for them to vote.

apparently there is chatter on the right that the "solution" is to raise the voting age.  this, along with the statement on Fox that they needed to figure out how to get those pesky single women to get married, IS BLOWING MY LEFT-LEANING MIND.  instead of adapting their policies to cater to those groups, they simply want to exclude them by TAKING AWAY A CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT.  it's called the 26th Amendment, assholes, look it up. 

raising the voting age would require a new amendment which would have ZERO chances of passing thanks to the two-thirds and three-quarters requirements.  SO WHY EVEN VOCALIZE THAT TREASONOUS THOUGHT?  they shit the bed once by taking away rights (abortion) - so their plan is to take away more rights???  NICE STRATEGY JACKOFFS.  jesus f on a pogo stick... YES I'M YELLING.

Some Republicans Want to Raise Voting Age After Gen Z Midterm Turnout (https://www.thedailybeast.com/some-republicans-want-to-raise-voting-age-after-gen-zs-strong-midterm-turnout)

Republicans Are So Mad at the Huge Youth Turnout They Want To Increase the Voting Age (https://newrepublic.com/post/168732/republicans-mad-huge-youth-gen-z-turnout-want-increase-voting-age)
Gen Z came out in huge numbers this election. Now, Republicans are trying to decide what the new voting age should be.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 11, 2022, 02:46:33 pm
If anything, around the world, the trend is to lower the voting age.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 11, 2022, 03:21:37 pm
the GOP is a huge fan of the "whisper campaigns'
and they all say the same thing

A week ago it was
"How come x state can count all the votes in a day, but y state can't"
"for hundreds of years, we knew the results of an election the next day'

We all know there are holes in these statements, reasons why this the case, and some are just flat out lies

But the thing I notice is they just blurt it out there, say it on camera and rarely defend what they say
or have a real debate on the value of their stance
but let the libs loose their minds and let the MAGAminions insult and respond to the comments

Before it was mail in voting, which is ironic as the military and elderly (who mostly vote GOP) used that method
now that the average voter who might vote dem can, it's bad

Now it's voting age.

I wish that we could have an honest conversation about voting rules and regulations
also starting with, the states run the elections, not the federal gov't...and should stay that way
I can only imagine the way the GOP would skew this if they could do it from the federal level

I feel it's such a bullshit response I get from the GOP on these topics, and they really don't feel the need to discuss/debate
mostly because I think they know deep down, they want as a system that skews towards them...regardless of the will of the people
and that drives me crazy how one could look in the mirror and talk about all this fairness, honesty, the constitution, our founding fathers and patriotism...yet screw with elections so some segment of the population can't vote...it's just dishonest and dishonorable
and they DGAF

what really gets my goat on this topic too is their constant "dems are cheating and stealing elections" with almost zero evidence
but the evidence that they are doing things that I would consider cheating and stealing ALL THE FREAKING TIME

Personally, on the voting age ...I think 18 is good
I know Takoma had this thing where 16 yr olds can vote
Honestly, I think that's a little too young

but if you can get drafted, you should be able to vote
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 11, 2022, 04:24:29 pm
Hey next time thingyhatch, grab a paper bag I hear they do wonders for hyperventilating  ;D
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 11, 2022, 04:30:01 pm
Marco Rubio is trying to shank McConnell in the leadership vote next week. I’m totally here for it.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 11, 2022, 08:19:01 pm
Cortez Masto down only 798 votes with latest update…. Still votes outstanding… I think she is going to pull it out!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 11, 2022, 10:41:54 pm
Cortez Masto down only 798 votes with latest update…. Still votes outstanding… I think she is going to pull it out!
Every vote count analyst/expert has been saying this since Wednesday morning. I told y’all it would be 50-49 Dems going into the runoff.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 11, 2022, 11:18:11 pm
Any chance that puke Lake might lose?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 11, 2022, 11:28:52 pm
Any chance that puke Lake might lose?
Well, she trails currently and fell several thousand more behind in the most recent vote dump. This is not the slam dunk the Senate seat was though.

I’d put Hobbs at a 75% chance of winning. Would definitely rather be her right now. Most recent dump of votes broke PARTICULARLY well for Hobbs.

AZ SOS just got called got dem and AG has the dem with a healthy lead (this would be a flip).
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 12, 2022, 07:56:20 pm
Is there any validity to this?

Second highest youth turnout since 72

And 2018 was the highest

 So far, the highest turnout during a midterm for this voting bloc is 2018 when about 31%
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 12, 2022, 09:09:16 pm
I’m calling it after that last Maricopa drop: Hobbs has won AZ Governor.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 12, 2022, 10:23:56 pm
Nevada and senate as a whole called for Dems by networks
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 12, 2022, 10:40:43 pm
WA3 is being called the biggest dem upset in the house Marie Gluesenkamp Perez was given a 2% chance of winning

Apparently her opponent was crazy and Tulsi G. was all in for him
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 13, 2022, 12:23:23 pm
Man it must suck to be a Republican right now….it just gets worse for them everyday
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 13, 2022, 02:06:11 pm
I do not think the Dems will hold the house but there’s a legit 20-25% chance they still could. The gOP margin will be like 3-4 seats. Had the Dems not screwed the redistricting pooch in NY (and to a lesser extent CA), they’d have held it for sure.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2022, 08:29:19 pm
While I liked both of these
appealed to those who were already inclined to vote d to begin with, so little impact overall

 

@pamkeithfl

Give credit where it’s due.

Biden did a great job, and the last minute outreach to young voters with debt relief and cannabis EO made all the difference.


Also, I’m actually now feeling sour on the youth vote
We set the bar so freaking low sometimes
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 13, 2022, 09:19:23 pm
Oregon’s 6th
We keep picking up toss up seats

Quite a photo finish here
 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 13, 2022, 10:11:29 pm
we lost a couple of seats we needed..based on Wasserman’s tweets we are looking at a likely 5-9 seat Republican majority

Obviously this is an incredible accomplishment for democrats given people’s predictions….
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 14, 2022, 10:33:26 pm
NYT: HOBBS BEATS LAKE IN AZ (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/14/us/election-news-results?smid=url-share#katie-hobbs-arizona-governor)

can't wait for the fallout on this one... i sincerely hope lake goes full trump.  let's put this shit on display.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on November 15, 2022, 11:27:43 am
NYT: HOBBS BEATS LAKE IN AZ (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/14/us/election-news-results?smid=url-share#katie-hobbs-arizona-governor)

can't wait for the fallout on this one... i sincerely hope lake goes full trump.  let's put this shit on display.
NYT running days behind Julian, what else is new?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on November 15, 2022, 02:14:06 pm
Had the Dems not screwed the redistricting pooch in NY (and to a lesser extent CA), they’d have held it for sure.

Really?  How an independent commission made up of citizens outside of any control of elected officials could get any blame is the stuff I expect hear from the right.  Not you.  CA lost a seat after the census and it was always going to hurt the Dems.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2022, 02:20:47 pm
I must say, that this thread header was written because I'd accepted that Dems would totally screw this mid-term up

but as it usually goes, One should bet the opposite of what Sidehatch says and you'll likely do better

Well done, team blue.

 I think the emboldened fringe of the GQP is going to make it really hard for them to do as much damage if we'd lost 30-40 seats
Marge and KrewKrazy will have demands and they will hold the party hostage to get those demands

Still likely going to be talking Hunter's Laptop and a possible impeachment (on what exactly?)

may not have as many debt ceiling fights?  who knows
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2022, 02:23:19 pm
Had the Dems not screwed the redistricting pooch in NY (and to a lesser extent CA), they’d have held it for sure.

Really?  How an independent commission made up of citizens outside of any control of elected officials could get any blame is the stuff I expect hear from the right.  Not you.  CA lost a seat after the census and it was always going to hurt the Dems.
Hmm, interesting
I've read very little about this and have only heard Jules and his mudslinging at NY
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on November 15, 2022, 02:26:32 pm
Jules and his mudslinging at NY

NY is different.  That is not independent despite its description.  An "independent commission" draws the maps in NY but they need approval by the two NY State houses, and can be redrawn, changed and rejected if they don't like them.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2022, 04:59:16 pm
Josh Hawley just now: “This election was the funeral for the Republican Party as we know it. The Republican Party is, as we have known it, is dead. Voters have made that clear—we are not a majority party.”

always weird when I agree with Josh, but the facts are..the GOP was not the majority party(as far as numbers of people) for a while

ding dong the witch is dead!

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 15, 2022, 05:03:01 pm
It is amazing how people overreact. I mean they won the house and the Senate is virtually tied and it’s a funeral!?

Come on now
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 15, 2022, 05:04:17 pm
always weird when I agree with hutch, but the facts are... the GOP ain't dead.  stop being melodramatic, y'all.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 15, 2022, 05:14:00 pm
what if we REALLLY want it to be dead, does that count for anything

also, i actually don't want the GOP to die, but to split into two factions
Old-school GOP
Trump-Party

neither will be able to get more than 30% of the vote and will make it much easier for dems to win
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 15, 2022, 05:21:17 pm
the one with the hair from Florida is not attending tonight's "event" because of the weather in DC and FL... that being overcast skies on both ends...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on November 15, 2022, 05:46:28 pm
Fear not, he's soon going to describe himself as the only one who can bring it back from the dead.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 15, 2022, 07:05:52 pm
what if we REALLLY want it to be dead, does that count for anything

NO IT DOES NOT.  this is arguably the biggest problem with trumpers: they mistake what the want for what is.  when their wants don't materialize (despite the All Powerful One promising it would happen), they reach for conspiracies to explain the lack of their wants, then demand real-world action to "get what they are owed."  let's not all embark on that crazy train.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 16, 2022, 06:13:12 pm
all conjecture....but I love this


Rep Adam Schiff has decided NOT to seek a leadership post in House Dem caucus and is instead looking more seriously at a Senate run


 Feinstein is going to step down after the GA runoff, probably in conjunction with the Christmas break... Newsom will name Schiff as the replacement.


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on November 16, 2022, 07:53:59 pm
I'm pretty sure Newsom is already on record saying he'd appoint an African American female to that seat because he replaced Kamala with a hispanic male.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 16, 2022, 09:27:34 pm
I'm pretty sure Newsom is already on record saying he'd appoint an African American female to that seat because he replaced Kamala with a hispanic male.

Democrats and their idiot identity politics.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 16, 2022, 09:34:34 pm
Alex Padilla...had to look him up as he's made so little a name for himself
I guess it was known he was going to win without issue as I don't recall his race ever being discussed
(yes I don't live in CA anymore)

didn't think about how Newsome had appointed the other senator

gotta imagine that is uncommon a gov who appoints two senators.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2022, 12:19:20 am
Interesting this bit

The first 3 in the line of succession for the presidency are women. Just enjoy that fact for however long it lasts.

https://twitter.com/michaelkramersb/status/1592976967112196098?s=46&t=VI5cNs0NP5b6lm1s-8ZZsg

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 17, 2022, 02:34:37 pm
The Republicans ate at it already.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2022, 05:13:00 pm
more contex?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 17, 2022, 05:51:51 pm
Probably the ramping up of the Hunter Biden investigation and trying to tie Hunter to his father.

They are also shutting down the investigation into the Washington Goes Commando
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 17, 2022, 06:46:06 pm
Washington Goes Commando

horrifying... *shudder*
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 17, 2022, 11:49:57 pm
Thank goodness Katie Porter got reelected
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 18, 2022, 12:30:37 am
Thank goodness Katie Porter got reelected

Any idea why she struggled? I thought she was a D rock star?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 18, 2022, 04:41:34 am
Thank goodness Katie Porter got reelected

Any idea why she struggled? I thought she was a D rock star?

if she was from SF, she'd have a seat for life.  however, she represents the most politically un-California part of California: Orange County.  i'll let smackie fill you in on the nitty-gritty.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2022, 12:16:11 pm
Hakeem Jeffries launches bid for House Dem leader

I support this
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on November 18, 2022, 12:20:12 pm
I don’t have an opinion really
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on November 18, 2022, 12:25:14 pm
Thank goodness Katie Porter got reelected

Any idea why she struggled? I thought she was a D rock star?

if she was from SF, she'd have a seat for life.  however, she represents the most politically un-California part of California: Orange County.  i'll let smackie fill you in on the nitty-gritty.

She is the first Democrat to EVER hold that seat.  She beat Mimi Walters to flip that seat in 2020 and was predicted to not hold the redistricted seat this year.  I grew up in that district and never thought I'd see the day that it would be flipped.  26 years after I left it remains a blue seat for back to back elections and that's something to celebrate.   
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: vansmack on November 18, 2022, 12:28:37 pm
Had the Dems not screwed the redistricting pooch in NY (and to a lesser extent CA), they’d have held it for sure.

Really?  How an independent commission made up of citizens outside of any control of elected officials could get any blame is the stuff I expect hear from the right.  Not you.  CA lost a seat after the census and it was always going to hurt the Dems.
Hmm, interesting
I've read very little about this and have only heard Jules and his mudslinging at NY

Just to finish my point here:

In Congress, after months of campaigning and more than $340 million spent, it appears that California Democrats and Republicans fought themselves to a standstill, with neither side unseating any of the opposing party’s vulnerable incumbents. That includes Orange County’s Katie Porter and San Diego’s Mike Levin on the Democratic side, as well as Southern California Republicans Mike Garcia, Michelle Steel, Young Kim and Ken Calvert. All will be returning to Congress.

All of that adds up to a big, monumentally expensive near wash. Republicans currently have 11 U.S. House seats in California. After this election, they’re on track to have 12, though the Modesto contest between Democratic Assemblymember Adam Gray and Republican farmer John Duarte is still too close to call.

Another undecided nailbiter: The race in Bakersfield between GOP Rep. David Valadao and Democratic Assemblymember Rudy Salas.

Democrats are in line to be down at least one seat — from 42 to 41 — but that’s because the state was docked a congressional seat after the most recent Census.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 18, 2022, 03:21:37 pm
dang, was really hoping for this one

Adam Frisch just said that he's called Lauren Boebert to concede the race in CO-03.

He said an automatic recount will likely happen under state law but encouraged supporters to save fundraising $$ for gas, groceries and other causes.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 23, 2022, 09:43:55 am
It's always about the people.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1595241072971481089
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on November 24, 2022, 08:29:06 am
Dems grab another seat

Mary Peltola, won Alaska’s only House seat

Murkowski a republican, is also returning to the senate but has the distinction of having voted for conviction in Trump’s impeachment trial.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on November 25, 2022, 08:08:23 pm
I mean, wutthafuggahyagonnado?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 04, 2022, 09:18:58 pm
So the last toss up race… went R so they have a 5 vote lead

 John Duarte (R) has won the race for the House seat in California's 13th District
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 04, 2022, 10:36:42 pm
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Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2022, 09:52:20 pm
Gonna be a nail biter
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2022, 10:18:01 pm
It’s almost as if the advertisers exert influence in select counties report at a certain speed so they can drag this out

I mean all the Democratic strongholds have yet to report a lot
 so obviously it’s looking like we’re gonna crush it
but walker taking the lead at least three times in the last hour is definitely  disorienting

The GA republican voter suppression tactics are copied all over the country because they are soo good
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 06, 2022, 10:22:45 pm
I’ve seen enough: Warnock has won by about 2% as I predicted.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2022, 10:31:10 pm
Wow, they estimate that 3.3 million voted

3.9 million showed up in the general

That’s an impressive turnout for a run-off

 that we didn’t get this kind of turnout in 2021 in VA cost us the gov job


Now I’m wishing I screen captured Julian saying 2.5% because I saw him change it just now
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 06, 2022, 10:36:49 pm
Now I’m wishing I screen captured Julian saying 2.5% because I saw him change it just now
I’ll unwalk that back at 9:36p. My math was wrong. It’s 2.5 as a floor. My 2.5 O/U is trending to the over.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on December 06, 2022, 10:48:19 pm
Nice.

Over and beyond D vs R I just couldn’t stomach the idea of Hershel Walker being a US Senator.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 06, 2022, 10:52:43 pm
Walker would have been an especially repugnant GOP winner. Only Kari Lake was on the same level of vile in any competitive race this year.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2022, 10:56:57 pm
Walker would have been an especially repugnant GOP winner. Only Kari Lake was on the same level of vile in any competitive race this year.
Worse than tubberville ?


While Kari is bat shit crazy
I’m very glad she didn’t win as she is very savvy in front of the camera and walker is not, it would be cringe every time he opened his mouth
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 06, 2022, 11:13:02 pm
I mean, Tuberville is very run of the mill to me. He’s not a walking gaff/insanity machine.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2022, 11:25:08 pm
CNN calls it
Kornacki too
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 06, 2022, 11:31:57 pm
CNN calls it
Kornacki too
Guys I called it a while ago. What does CNN or Kornacki got that Uncle Julian ain’t got?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2022, 11:34:13 pm
CNN calls it
Kornacki too
Guys I called it a while ago. What does CNN or Kornacki got that Uncle Julian ain’t got?
Wasserman called it at 9:35
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2022, 11:38:11 pm
we’re gonna crush it
Also side hatch called it at 9:18
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 06, 2022, 11:42:37 pm
we’re gonna crush it
Also side hatch called it at 9:18
This is not a call. Easily dodgable. I could read this and think: of Hatchy and Misses Hatchy are just about to smash. Crush it; as the kids would say. A call with plausible deniability is not a call.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 06, 2022, 11:59:35 pm
Shade from the son after it was called

Don’t beat women, hold guns to peoples heads, fund abortions then pretend your pro-life, stalk cheerleaders, leave your multiple minor children alone to chase more fame, lie, lie, lie, say stupid crap, and make a fool of your family..

And then maybe you can win a senate seat.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on December 07, 2022, 12:02:52 am
Don’t beat women, hold guns to peoples heads, fund abortions then pretend your pro-life, stalk cheerleaders, leave your multiple minor children alone to chase more fame, lie, lie, lie, say stupid crap, and make a fool of your family..

And then maybe you can win a senate seat. [/i]

*you're
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on December 07, 2022, 12:10:03 am
next up: walker complains about how he lost his erection (despite it being "for the people")
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 07, 2022, 11:15:21 am
next up: walker complains about how he lost his erection (despite it being "for the people")

yup destined to continue the grift via speaking fees...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 07, 2022, 11:58:39 am
next up: walker complains about how he lost his erection (despite it being "for the people")

yup destined to continue the grift via speaking fees...
man, who would pay that man to speak...I'd pay just to shut him up
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on December 07, 2022, 01:36:29 pm
next up: walker complains about how he lost his erection (despite it being "for the people")

yup destined to continue the grift via speaking fees...
man, who would pay that man to speak...I'd pay just to shut him up

Maybe he'd want my maneskin ticket.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 07, 2022, 01:50:04 pm
next up: walker complains about how he lost his erection (despite it being "for the people")

yup destined to continue the grift via speaking fees...
man, who would pay that man to speak...I'd pay just to shut him up

Maybe he'd want my maneskin ticket.
I'm thinking Dr. Who is your only option at this point

although never realized Beggin' was a Frankie Valli song!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 07, 2022, 04:44:53 pm
next up: walker complains about how he lost his erection (despite it being "for the people")

He conceded so fast I think he was relieved.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on December 07, 2022, 06:44:15 pm
next up: walker complains about how he lost his erection (despite it being "for the people")

He conceded so fast I think he was relieved.

conspiracy theory/wishful thinking: with his loss, walker realized that associating with trump was toxic and decided to do everything he can to not look like trump in defeat.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 09, 2022, 08:29:54 am
Not really that unexpected, but just annoying

Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona is leaving the Democratic Party and registering as an independent
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 09, 2022, 08:56:08 am
As long as this mess up control of the committees and nominations then whatever… hopefully AZ Dems can find a solid candidate to put her out of a job
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on December 09, 2022, 09:15:23 am
As I said:

I think a handful of politicians are completely oblivious to the fact that you can’t put the spring snake back in the jar and this era of hyper partisanship is going nowhere, and they think some sort of Hogan/Sinema/Tulsi unity ticket is appealing to *someone* and they’re all going to be out of jobs soon.

Not enough people are talking about Ben Sasse seeing the writing on the wall and giving up a Senate seat in one the reddest of red states to become the President of a University where he’s despised day one.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 09, 2022, 09:30:03 am
I know this isn't unexpected and I know their background
but it seems odd to have two defections from the dem party by women who are in the LGB*** and POC crowd
When that's a big stance of what the Dems envision of an inclusive America

it just gives fuel for the maga's on the stupid argument that 'droves are leaving the democratic party', which just isn't true (well except for the white blue collar worker)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 09, 2022, 02:43:31 pm
Not really that unexpected, but just annoying

Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona is leaving the Democratic Party and registering as an independent
irony much
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjjBrxIWIAMIsm3?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 15, 2022, 02:20:46 pm
man if the dems can get this passed in this lame duck congress...that would be fantastic

https://www.yahoo.com/news/puerto-rican-independence-bill-goes-000300579.html

3 million US citizens live in PR, no joke on not getting representation

alas...there is really no way the GQP will give enough votes to get this to Biden's desk
although...if they wanted to get a leg up on getting that hispanic vote, this might be the way
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 23, 2022, 06:27:19 pm
little crusty, but got a holiday email from my 'boss' for when I am a poll worker on election day

this stat made me grin from ear to ear. 

Same-day registration has had an astonishing effect.  Sixty-nine percent of people registering same-day in Arlington were under the age of 35.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on January 03, 2023, 03:12:58 pm
time to rename the thread??

Victor Shi @Victorshi2020 (https://twitter.com/Victorshi2020/status/1610346160945856516)
WOW: Voting for the next Speaker of the House has concluded. 19 Republicans voted against Kevin McCarthy & Hakeem Jeffries has MORE votes for Speaker than Kevin McCarthy. In other words: Republicans in disarray. Democrats in array. Say it over and over again.
1:43 PM · Jan 3, 2023
 
Really Don't Trump @reallyDontTrump (https://twitter.com/reallyDontTrump/status/1610351178327511047)
Replying to  @Victorshi2020
#DemocratsInArray (https://twitter.com/hashtag/DemocratsInArray?src=hashtag_click)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on January 03, 2023, 04:26:11 pm
I just don’t buy they are in disarray. They have a small minority of extra wacky congressmen trying to impose their will….like 15-20 congressmen out of more than 200. Because it’s a tight majority they have sway. McCarthy is actually the less radical option. Fancy Gym Jordan!?

They will work it out.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 03, 2023, 04:43:27 pm
Do you think they would give Steve Scalise a shot?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on January 03, 2023, 04:51:04 pm
Maybe that will be the compromise. No idea.


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 03, 2023, 05:07:23 pm
And my Steve Scalise shot joke falls flat. Probably because y'all all had the jab.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Yada on January 03, 2023, 05:32:40 pm
And my Steve Scalise shot joke falls flat. Probably because y'all all had the jab.

Pretty bad schtick to start the year off with if I'm being honest.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on January 03, 2023, 05:33:46 pm
And my Steve Scalise shot joke falls flat. Probably because y'all all had the jab.

Pretty bad schtick to start the year off with if I'm being honest.

At least he didn't mention the unfortunate softball incident.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 03, 2023, 05:59:27 pm
This site has him with a shot.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7326/Who-will-be-Speaker-of-the-House-of-Representatives-in-the-next-Congress
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on January 03, 2023, 07:04:49 pm
This site has him with a shot.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7326/Who-will-be-Speaker-of-the-House-of-Representatives-in-the-next-Congress

Wait. Who's putting their 2 cents on Donald Trump???
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 03, 2023, 07:27:46 pm
This site has him with a shot.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7326/Who-will-be-Speaker-of-the-House-of-Representatives-in-the-next-Congress

Wait. Who's putting their 2 cents on Donald Trump???

Jamie Raskin? https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/could-donald-trump-be-speaker-house-how-is-house-leader-chosen/ZJV4WHRTFBHOVECM67TZBHMCNI/
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on January 03, 2023, 07:52:35 pm
all aboard the GOP clown-car:

ROUND 1:
Jeffries (D) 212 votes
McCarthy (R) 203
Andy Biggs (R) 10 (nominated by Gosar)
Nine lawmakers supported none of the three hats in the ring

ROUND 2:
Jeffries (D) 212 (no change)
McCarthy (R) 203 (no change)
Jordan (R) 19 (new candidate)

ROUND 3:
Jeffries (D) 212 (no change)
McCarthy (R) 202 (-1)
Jordan (R) 20 (+1)

voting suspended for today.  rumors that scalise will throw his hat in for R4.

Dems are in a rock-solid array (crystalline?).
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 03, 2023, 07:56:21 pm
They can not make enough popcorn for this

There are Congresses where they have taken over 100 votes to get a speaker
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 05, 2023, 04:20:40 pm
Debbie Stabenow of the fading fast state of Michigan not running for Senate in 2024 should be of concern with it's rapidly approaching red state status... there are plenty of strong female Dems in the state at the moment so it will be interesting... 

also total chef's kiss to the new governor of PA appointing Al Schmidt the Republican Philly commissioner to Secretary of the Commonwealth.  Al being one of the chief people not putting up with TFG's BS.. betting some china was tossed around in FL today...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on January 05, 2023, 04:41:42 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/6OyrnAKxd46Rfall6K/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on January 05, 2023, 04:42:42 pm
Am glad she picked a presidential election year..
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 05, 2023, 04:50:19 pm
Debbie Stabenow of the fading fast state of Michigan not running for Senate in 2024 should be of concern with it's rapidly approaching red state status... there are plenty of strong female Dems in the state at the moment so it will be interesting... 

also total chef's kiss to the new governor of PA appointing Al Schmidt the Republican Philly commissioner to Secretary of the Commonwealth.  Al being one of the chief people not putting up with TFG's BS.. betting some china was tossed around in FL today...
If Gretchen isn't on the Dem ticket in 2024, this might be her seat to go get and would likely bolster the Dems efforts to keep= the state in the Presidential race as well.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 05, 2023, 05:06:24 pm
GW should totally run for that seat… hopefully she will stay scandal free
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2023, 12:38:29 am
Are we really shooting ourselves in the foot, while we should be reveling in the gop clown show

Garland Appoints Special Counsel to Investigate Handling of Biden Documents


Or is it so obviously a nothingburger that investigating it will show zero criminal intent, nor illegality??
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on January 13, 2023, 01:10:14 pm
Or is it so obviously a nothingburger that investigating it will show zero criminal intent, nor illegality??

dems are in a no-win situation.  if they declare it a nothingburger and do nothing, GOP will claim a double standard, political persecution, etc.  if the dems take it seriously and attempt to show the same rigor as with trump (i.e. the path they've chosen), the GOP will seize this as proof of biden's corruption, untrustworthiness, etc and will hammer biden for the next two years with it (RE: mccarthy has already stated that congress will "fully investigate" this matter).

reminder: the GOP playbook holds that an accusation is all that is needed.  the outcome of the investigation doesn't matter.  only the guilty are investigated, right?  RE: trump & guiliani demanding that the ukrainians announce an investigation into biden, in 2019.  they didn't care if an actual investigation took place, they just needed the one-time headline to "prove" that biden was corrupt... why else would a sovereign nation investigate him???

so cynical.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 13, 2023, 02:05:54 pm
I heard that MAGA in the DOJ planted the docuuments.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 13, 2023, 02:26:31 pm
I heard that MAGA in the DOJ planted the docuuments.
Dark MAGA or just regular?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 13, 2023, 02:27:43 pm
I heard that MAGA in the DOJ planted the docuuments.
Dark MAGA or just regular?
Valid question
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 13, 2023, 02:39:22 pm
I heard that MAGA in the DOJ planted the docuuments.
Dark MAGA or just regular?

The Deep State.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on February 07, 2023, 11:26:04 pm
Great speech by Biden tonight.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: grateful on February 07, 2023, 11:38:27 pm
You skipped the Grammys and watched the SOTU? Do you post about music on politics BBs?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 18, 2023, 01:49:07 pm
Fetterman has checked himself in at the psychiatric ward at Walter reed?!

https://twitter.com/giselefetterman/status/1626302959276511236
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on February 18, 2023, 02:01:04 pm
You wanted him. You got him.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on February 18, 2023, 07:24:03 pm
Fetterman has checked himself in at the psychiatric ward at Walter reed?!

https://twitter.com/giselefetterman/status/1626302959276511236 (https://twitter.com/giselefetterman/status/1626302959276511236)

most enlightened folks have pointed out that it's brave of him to publicly acknowledge his mental health struggles.

then you have folks like this:
You wanted him. You got him.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 18, 2023, 08:00:47 pm
Well I do think it’s brave
But he would not of gone public if he didn’t have to
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on February 18, 2023, 08:11:09 pm
Dudes, if you are struggling with dealing with a stroke you don’t run for senate. He should have dropped out. He should resign because obviously he ain’t able to do his job.

He’s being selfish not brave. Being brave would actually have been to resign his candidacy and now would be to resign.

Strokes are serious. He didn’t have a minor stroke!

If the shoe was on the other foot and say Trump had multiple strokes and had to check in to a hospital for depression the same Pollyannas praising Fetterman would be saying Trump can’t do his job and should resign and demanding to know more. You know it to be so.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 18, 2023, 09:07:49 pm
Well the silver lining is if he does resign, doesn’t the democratic gov get to pick his replacement
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on February 18, 2023, 09:31:14 pm
That’s true but he ain’t going to resign.

I hope he gets the help he needs. I don’t wish him ill or anything.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on February 19, 2023, 12:49:28 am
Progressives have lost their damn minds.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/18/roald-dahl-books-rewritten-to-remove-language-deemed-offensiveZ

I have a liberal friend who got his dander up a couple of years ago when I said Huckleberry Finn would be censored…..
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 19, 2023, 07:09:38 am
Think of all the Oompa Loompas who had to live in the shadows for generations because of the hateful language of Dahl


Oompa Loompas are gender neutral


You my friend are a monster for not supporting this!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on February 22, 2023, 01:24:25 am
Imagine a job reviewing old classics for inappropriate content. “


“Yes, I am a professional standards compliance editor …yeah I work for a book publisher but as a paid censor. I don’t do it for anything other than money…do I actually believe this should be revised? Fuck no but…”
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 22, 2023, 10:04:34 am
I did think that the Dahl estate was fully behind this decision
although should heirs really be responsible for art created by their parents?

Not really sure what the answer is here, but I would have been looking for my pitchfork if the Gov't or some school demanded this change
Can't belive I don't know where my pitchfork is, I used it all the time protesting back in the day
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 22, 2023, 10:51:46 am
Ok, not that we were that worried, but a win is a win!

Virginia Democrat Jennifer McClellan defeated her Republican opponent in a special election Tuesday to win a seat in the House of Representatives.




Also, what the fuck is up with "resort fees" 
Is that really a pressing issue for Americans?  Reducing the price of Corona seems more important
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 22, 2023, 10:56:25 am
Ok, not that we were that worried, but a win is a win!

Virginia Democrat Jennifer McClellan defeated her Republican opponent in a special election Tuesday to win a seat in the House of Representatives.

Special election turnout is always wonky, but she won this by a much wider margin than McEachin beat the same Republican three-months ago.

Really like Jen -- she will be great here. Dawn Adams will likely run for (and get easily) her soon-to-be-vacated State Senate seat . . . which is going to clear the deck for the just-announced-he-won't-run-for-HoD-reelection Jeff Bourne to take 6 months off and become the party establishment front-runner/candidate for Richmond mayor next year.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Starsky on February 22, 2023, 12:14:17 pm
I really like Jen too…. I wish she had been the nominee for Governor though I don’t think she would have won..


She was at UR three of the four years I was there (one year behind me) but I don’t have any recollection…we must have shared a few classes since even though polysci was one of my four majors it was my main one…
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 22, 2023, 12:32:48 pm
I really like Jen too…. I wish she had been the nominee for Governor though I don’t think she would have won..
I think she might have won if she got the nom, but it was pretty clear she had no shot in that primary.

I think the Democratic governor candidate seat is Abigail Spanberger's in two years if she decides she wants it.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on April 05, 2023, 12:38:12 pm
This is fantastic news

https://www.wsj.com/articles/wisconsin-voters-to-decide-on-state-supreme-court-swing-seat-tuesday-d2445959
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 05, 2023, 12:52:24 pm
I heard yesterday that over $40 million was spent on this race for a judge
Highest ever by a margin of like 100

So I guess Dems would say money well spent
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on April 18, 2023, 12:15:06 pm
Hmm, lately I've been liking Rep Nancy Mace from SC
when she is on the topic of weed and abortion

but not really sure I like the tenor of her latest screed
https://twitter.com/RepNancyMace/status/1648034854469005338?s=20
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on April 20, 2023, 12:12:28 am
I'd just like to say that Sen. Dianne Feinstein is a girl boss and I hope she stays in the Senate forever, she's doing great!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Yada on June 01, 2023, 04:30:24 pm
Four more years?

https://twitter.com/NEWSMAX/status/1664345199978356737
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on June 01, 2023, 04:57:36 pm
Still not as cool as when he managed to fall up the steps of Air Force One two times in the same ascent.  I love this guy.

But also, glad Dem control of the Senate continues to pay off! https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/06/01/senate-repeals-biden-student-loan-forgiveness/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on June 01, 2023, 05:04:14 pm
Dem bosses be falling all over

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/bruce-springsteens-dramatic-tumble-on-stage-midshow-leaves-fans-concerned/news-story/df947ef9e197bc79acba5c22dfb86a5c
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on June 01, 2023, 06:38:53 pm
Sarcasm meter activated
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on July 22, 2023, 01:34:36 pm
https://reduxx.info/new-hampshires-former-transgender-state-rep-charged-with-sexual-exploitation-of-children-set-to-appear-in-federal-court/
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on July 22, 2023, 08:23:39 pm
To be clear… they were elected but never served


39-year-old Laughton was formerly a Democratic representative in New Hampshire, first elected to the legislature in 2012. He became known as the first openly transgender individual to hold public office in the United States, but withdrew before taking the role when it was revealed that he had served four months in prison in 2008 on a felony conviction for identity and credit card fraud and falsifying physical evidence.



But this will surely be used as … all Dems and all trans are actually pedos…so we should enact laws to restrict both trans and Dems
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on July 22, 2023, 09:01:22 pm
To be clear… they were elected but never served.


39-year-old Laughton was formerly a Democratic representative in New Hampshire, first elected to the legislature in 2012. He became known as the first openly transgender individual to hold public office in the United States, but withdrew before taking the role when it was revealed that he had served four months in prison in 2008 on a felony conviction for identity and credit card fraud and falsifying physical evidence.



But this will surely be used as … all Dems and all trans are actually pedos…so we should enact laws to restrict both trans and Dems

To be clear, he was elected multiple times and did serve. Creepy people on both sides of the political divide.

After the sentence related to the 2008 conviction was exhausted, Laughton was allowed to run for office again in 2019. He was elected selectman in 2011, 2019, and 2021. He was also elected state representative in 2020.

Laughton won his most recent election in November of 2022, but he resigned less than one month after securing the seat following scrutiny for yet another criminal conviction. It was learned that just two months prior to his election, he had been charged with violating a stalking order that had been from an unidentified woman.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 02, 2023, 11:11:45 pm
Not excited that the dem leadership is pushing election lawyer Marc Elias to the side

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/31/biden-marc-elias-democrats-election-lawsuits

I won’t deny he does go for headlines, but he has been very effective and really fights hard when it comes to voting cases

and we need more of that!

It’s the one front that Dems should never compromise on, election laws and how they are enforced is so critical. 

So many elections are won on the margins and if it’s one thing the GOP has some mad skills in, it is figuring out exactly how to win on the margins.  If there are more people/votes that want to elect GOP  representatives… sobeit

But I’m convinced they are exerting minority control of the entire nation by winning elections on slim margins where they did just enough to suppress the vote
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 08, 2023, 08:25:35 pm
Ohio Republican effort to subvert democracy fails. Ohio Issue 1 defeated!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 08, 2023, 08:55:38 pm
Ohio Republican effort to subvert democracy fails. Ohio Issue 1 defeated!
Its really telling as these solid red states vote on abortion and NOT. A. SINGLE. ONE. has banned it.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 09, 2023, 10:05:56 am
Could not agree more
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1689076731888447488
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on August 09, 2023, 11:18:52 am
You’re so agreeable
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 10, 2023, 02:30:07 pm
Say it isn’t so Joe…


West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin says he is “thinking seriously” about leaving the Democratic Party and declaring himself an Independent before the 2024 election.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 10, 2023, 02:44:37 pm
I never understood what the benefit of having him be in the party if he's constantly voting against the party line. Controlling the Senate doesn't mean much if he's voting against you.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on August 10, 2023, 02:51:04 pm
Seriously? Manchin was the only reason we controlled the senate, the committees and could get appointees through… he might vote against some bills but he’s still important. There is no way it’s accurate to say he votes against all democratic bills, nominees etc

Do you know how our system of government works? I find progressives seriously delusional. It’s a living miracle that Manchin is senator from WVA.

Dude, it’s like when you were spouting Hillary and Trump are the same. You just don’t get it.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 10, 2023, 03:13:01 pm
LOL I'm not sure I ever said HRC was the same as Trump.  She's awful in her own special way, but I still held my nose and voted for her.

Controlling the senate is a good talking point, but if this one dipshit is able to get the Biden constantly rollover on his climate agenda* or can kill others, like the child tax credit, do you really control it? 

And if his vote is so overwhelmingly for Biden's agenda, do you really think that change is his party affiliation does?  Give me a break man.

Manchin sucks, and can go kick rocks.  What he calls himself isn't going to change that for the better or the worse.

* I mean, we all know Biden is as much of a climate denier as the rest. Manchin's just a nice cover.

Seriously? Manchin was the only reason we controlled the senate, the committees and could get appointees through… he might vote against some bills but he’s still important. There is no way it’s accurate to say he votes against all democratic bills, nominees etc

Do you know how our system of government works? I find progressives seriously delusional. It’s a living miracle that Manchin is senator from WVA.

Dude, it’s like when you were spouting Hillary and Trump are the same. You just don’t get it.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on August 10, 2023, 03:33:43 pm
Yes you control it if you have a majority and in a tie the VP breaks it giving you the majority. Doesn’t mean senate passes every bill you like. Heck you could have 55 senators and bills you prefer might not get passed. Would you then say Democrats don’t control the senate?

You can’t seriously tell me you don’t realize that if Republicans had the majority in the senate things would be very different.

Essentially you are saying the Biden presidency is a failure because we can’t pass some legislation you favor. The idea government is just about passing bills - and in particular bills you like- is preposterous.

Dude I don’t think you want me to check the historical record on the inanities you said about Hillary.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 10, 2023, 04:02:55 pm
I'm saying that, if you are the president and you can't bully your own party into towing the line, then no, you do not "control" the Senate.

Yes you control it if you have a majority and in a tie the VP breaks it giving you the majority. Doesn’t mean senate passes every bill you like. Heck you could have 55 senators and bills you prefer might not get passed. Would you then say Democrats don’t control the senate?

Here's the difference, IMO: Ever "never Trump" republican that libs get a hard-on about voted with Trump 98% of the time.  However they do it, Republicans stick to the script in a way Dems can't seem to do.  Look at all the shit that got done under Trump vs. the amount of stuff that Biden has had to backtrack, or watch crumble because Manchin and Sinema decided not to vote for it, or because he didn't actually want to do the thing anyway ($15 minimum wage).

You can’t seriously tell me you don’t realize that if Republicans had the majority in the senate things would be very different.

I don't know, I wouldn't call the amount of COVID deaths since 2021 or throwing 3 million children back into poverty after letting the child tax credit expire or approving more drilling permits than Trump or continuing Trump's horrific border policies or 60% of adults living paycheck to paycheck or throwing $75 billion to Ukraine overwhelming victories, but that's just me!

He did pull out of Afghanistan and reduced drone strikes, which are both good.  And he's given more money to the climate (though not nearly enough, so does it matter?).  He's better than Obama, I'd say.

Essentially you are saying the Biden presidency is a failure because we can’t pass some legislation you favor. The idea government is just about passing bills - and in particular bills you like- is preposterous.

I stand by everything I said. She's a loser and I wish I hadn't voted for her, but I did.

Dude I don’t think you want me to check the historical record on the inanities you said about Hillary.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 10, 2023, 08:07:51 pm
I never understood what the benefit of having him be in the party if he's constantly voting against the party line. Controlling the Senate doesn't mean much if he's voting against you.
God, you're a child. Because he votes with the Dems 95% of the time!

There is not one other person on earth who wins that senate seat in this day and age and votes with the Dems more than 30% of the time. Sorry he doesn’t vote for stupid horseass shit like ending the filibuster and naming fifty new Supreme Court justices. It’s him or a solid red seat.

Fucking Bernie Bro idiots, I swear.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 10, 2023, 08:25:25 pm
I know you guys arent this stupid. 

Sure he votes with Democrats.  But he also constantly threatens to withhold his vote until the bill is Republican-lite. That is voting against the stated party platform.

He has actively tanked good polices under Biden. Thats a fact! This isn't a hard concept.

Heres the real question. Is Manchin going suddenly vote differently as an independent? Then who fucking cares which party he affiliates himself with! Like everything nothing will actually change but you yahoos will get all riled up about it.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 10, 2023, 08:27:59 pm
I think its actually like 88% so by Prices Rights rules, you lose

God, you're a child. Because he votes with the Dems 95% of the time
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on August 10, 2023, 09:01:25 pm
But he also constantly threatens to withhold his vote until the bill is Republican-lite.
Ok: what percentage of the time does this happen? You’re saying constantly; I’m saying 15% of the time. (Be sure to tell me who is the realistic Victor in WV that votes at a higher percentage with the Dems too since the comparison is not Manchin vs AOC, it’s Manchin vs the next best reasonable candidate who can steal a Senate seat in the reddest state in the country!)

Come with the receipts, Star Wars boy. Let’s see who shot first.

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 10, 2023, 09:09:10 pm
50 seats (and the VP) is 1 million times better than 49...it's like not even the same sport anymore

So while Coal Country Joe doesn't knell in fealty, does hurt the brand and make it difficult to get things done...of course, it does, but so much better than Hershel and I can't remember the stockbroker lady's name. 
We'd probably have impeachment hearings and a senate that was willing to convict (likely over nothing too)

But things clearly got done with a Senate majority in the past few years. You can paint it however horrifically as you like, but for most of my lifetime the Senate is where bills go to die a unheralded death
seems like a low bar, yeah... but that's where we are


Here's the difference, IMO: Ever "never Trump" republican that libs get a hard-on about voted with Trump 98% of the time.  However they do it, Republicans stick to the script in a way Dems can't seem to do.
Honestly THANK FUCKING GOD...I think it shows they can be a democrat and think independently.

It works well for getting agenda/laws passed, but personally, I would never sell my soul to a party where everyone falls in line, no matter how absolutely bat-shit crazy it is, 99.9 of the times (.01% is they actually cast a mis-vote, but since they won overwhelmingly they didn't recast)

 the problem with the dems is, if they are lucky they get an 80% real consensus across the party so they have to shoot really middle of the road as to not piss off big coalitions of voters

In the GOP, they actually can't piss off their base. it's amazing
Even though the whole platform is radically changing over the last 40 years...they still all fall in line


The only caveat I will say to all that is...today's GOP is today's GOP only because of MAGA.  In all my years, I never saw poor people fly flags and put up lawn signs for any president.  These people were almost off the map as a voting population, now they are a block (in a lot of key states) that is ALL IN for Trump. 
But  who is going to be able to fill Trumps shoes when he is dead (hopefully we don't have to wait 20 more years for that)
I don't think anyone can get those poor western PA (MI, FL and other places) folks with their trailer bedazzled with trump paraphernalia. 

 Those people will never vote for anyone in the GOP or any of his kids (although they will be generational shit-stirrers for sure)

So the moment when Trump is not in power or a kingmaker...I don't know if the GOP collation can stay together, because they will lose 10 million key voters.
least on a presidential level and that impacts down ballot quite a bit

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on August 10, 2023, 10:46:13 pm
I get annoyed with Manchin. We all do. And sometimes I kvetch about him….

But it’s just politics. He’s got to have that “Look mountaineers I hear you and I am keeping the entire liberal Democratic Party in check singlehandedly” persona. It’s his brand.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 11, 2023, 07:11:44 am
Focus people, new Breezy Supreme dropped today!!!

And pour one out for thingambobhatch as he'll soon be "listening" to a new Olivia Rodrigo album
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 11, 2023, 07:48:43 am
Focus People Part Deux...  New The Hives dropped today as well

and I listen to that new Oliva Rodrigo because some mentioned who ever wrote must be an Elastica fan and it's very damn catchy
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2023, 08:40:58 am
And pour one out for thingambobhatch as he'll soon be "listening" to a new Olivia Rodrigo album.
I have yet to be submitted to this torture yet, but goddamn do I have some hours in on Sour
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 11, 2023, 09:09:40 am
This is my point. Right now, Dems have the majority with 48 democrats and 3 independents.  That doesn't change if Manchin goes independent...he's still caucusing with them, so who cares.

50 seats (and the VP) is 1 million times better than 49...it's like not even the same sport anymore


I dunno, i'd rather Democrats have some groupthink if it means they'd actually pass the stuff they pretend to care about.

Honestly THANK FUCKING GOD...I think it shows they can be a democrat and think independently.

I 100% disagree with this.  I mean, you're right about what happens when Trump dies, but the GOP has been this evil my entire life.  They just used to care about hiding it a little better.

The only caveat I will say to all that is...today's GOP is today's GOP only because of MAGA.  In all my years, I never saw poor people fly flags and put up lawn signs for any president.  These people were almost off the map as a voting population, now they are a block (in a lot of key states) that is ALL IN for Trump. 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2023, 09:19:23 am
my feeling is these bluecollar low education whites will not support just any GOP candidate
I really don't see anyone taking trump's mantle to get these voters (who typically didn't vote) to the polls

maybe I'm wrong, but these people were not traditional GOP voters and their agenda has shifted the GOP agenda
but I have yet to see a single candidate or personality that could actually get them to vote
they seem to be jazzed about RFK jr, which is pretty odd
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 11, 2023, 09:32:18 am
I do think a more progressive Senate candidate that was independent could win in West Virginia. I don't think that would happen given the two party system, and it wouldn't be someone cool like Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar, obviously.  But it's also true that him just changing the letter next to his name doesn't change how he votes or who he caucuses with.  It didn't for Sinema, it wouldn't for him.  Dems still have the majority.

But since you asked, here are some big ones he railroaded:

* voted against Biden's student loan cancellation plan
* withheld his vote on the stimulus plan until it got watered down
* did the same with the inflation reduction act
* opposed raising minimum wage
* opposed For the People Act
* opposed filibuster reform

Those are pretty big things, some items Biden was intending to be his signature wins, that this guy derailed, voted down or made far weaker.  And I didn't include not voting for Neera Tanden because that was funny and good.


But he also constantly threatens to withhold his vote until the bill is Republican-lite.
Ok: what percentage of the time does this happen? You’re saying constantly; I’m saying 15% of the time. (Be sure to tell me who is the realistic Victor in WV that votes at a higher percentage with the Dems too since the comparison is not Manchin vs AOC, it’s Manchin vs the next best reasonable candidate who can steal a Senate seat in the reddest state in the country!)

Come with the receipts, Star Wars boy. Let’s see who shot first.


Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2023, 09:39:34 am
* withheld his vote on the stimulus plan until it got watered down
* did the same with the inflation reduction act
While all of that is true...they did both pass and were some of the biggest spending bills we've ever seen

the IRA act kinda annoys me how judicious it is...apparently, Texas and a number of red states are getting obnoxious windfalls from this...yet the senators voted against it and are acting like "see I brought the bacon home baby"
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on August 11, 2023, 10:09:51 am
I think he did Biden a favor voting against student cancellation. Did it lose by one vote? Skeptical

This isn’t a parliamentary system. Senators first obligation is to represent their constituents not vote for whatever party proposes.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 11, 2023, 10:11:46 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9aw-oWXsAQg5k5.jpg)

This isn’t a parliamentary system. Senators first obligation is to represent their constituents not vote for whatever party proposes.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on August 11, 2023, 10:28:05 am
And how exactly could Biden have bullied Manchin without Manchin going Republican?

That’s just BS.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: gavroche on August 11, 2023, 10:48:02 am
On climate Manchin is way more harmful than just his vote.  Just a couple of examples, but he has single handledly kept the Federal Energy Regulatory Commissions from considering climate change when it approves pipelines and he is stopping the Fed and other agencies from dealing with climate risk.  Part of it is structural, and the committees he is on (Chair of Energy and a vote on Approps). At least on climate, if the Dems had 51 votes, they would probably be better off with it just being 50 without Manchin.

 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 11, 2023, 11:24:14 am
Then Biden doesn't "control" the Senate even with this guy being a Democrat, which was exactly my point!  This is boring, man.  You love Manchin and want to have 10,000 of his babies. That's fine!

And how exactly could Biden have bullied Manchin without Manchin going Republican?

That’s just BS.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 11, 2023, 11:28:58 am
currently considering posting kitten pictures as a distraction
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on August 11, 2023, 11:32:12 am
My first response was to explain what control of the senate means.

Am sorry your reading comprehension skills are limited.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 11, 2023, 11:44:03 am
I would like to see the kittens
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 11, 2023, 11:54:54 am
This is Gus

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3AbTEEXkAEL-Ej?format=jpg&name=large)

This is Moxie

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3AbTEBWcAERnjF?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on August 11, 2023, 11:57:38 am
Ah yes! These are your newly adopted kittens, right?  Insanely cute...sometimes I miss our cat being that little.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 11, 2023, 12:06:03 pm
Yes they are sister and brother pair that we rescued out from under our neighbors sheds.  So much energy and it will be fun when they have full run of the house, as they are currently isolated due there being an older cat in the house and they haven’t yet been seen by a vet.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 11, 2023, 12:10:31 pm
Koz is Kool for Kats
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on August 26, 2023, 06:22:40 pm
Gotta imagine this gets NKOTB rock hard

Bernie reiterates his support for Biden’s re-election
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on August 26, 2023, 07:29:45 pm
Hardly
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 08, 2023, 02:46:37 pm
I know NKOTB will be excited about this news

 Nancy Pelosi just announced that she will be seeking another term in Congress in 2024.

This means she will be 86 years old when her next term is up.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on September 08, 2023, 02:53:52 pm
At this point it's impossible to any of it seriously, so she should have fun with it!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 27, 2023, 06:20:35 pm
NANCY, FUCKING, PELOSI

GURLLL, POWER
https://x.com/joshsorbe/status/1706852303662407762?s=20
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on September 28, 2023, 10:52:24 am
nice Caddyshack reference
https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1707189125797855445?s=20
also he sounds totally cogent, but not sure I love the stash
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: bearman🐻 on September 28, 2023, 11:35:17 am
nice Caddyshack reference
https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1707189125797855445?s=20
also he sounds totally cogent, but not sure I love the stash

I think the stash suits him just fine. I think more politicians need facial hair. It's shocking how few actually have any.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on September 28, 2023, 11:42:21 am
yeah, he looks way cooler this way than with that Ra's al Ghul goatee he was sporting before.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on October 04, 2023, 09:17:34 pm
Wait now Biden is building the wall… didn’t see that coming

Please just reschedule pot to schedule 3, that’s all I ask
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on October 04, 2023, 09:47:29 pm
He's been doing it all along tho

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/10/04/the-biden-administration-is-quietly-completing-bits-of-donald-trumps-wall

Wait now Biden is building the wall… didn’t see that coming

Please just reschedule pot to schedule 3, that’s all I ask
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on October 12, 2023, 07:16:07 pm
(https://media.tenor.com/KqjYO7WHmTkAAAAM/the-worst.gif)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/12/young-turks-host-cenk-uygur-democrat-election-2024-biden

Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on October 12, 2023, 07:22:11 pm
Biden- assuming no big changes- is going to be re-elected no matter how much progressives whine and how many polls say otherwise and how many Americans think he’s too old or how many wackos threaten running.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 04, 2023, 10:14:48 am
Dudes, if you are struggling with dealing with a stroke you don’t run for senate. He should have dropped out. He should resign because obviously he ain’t able to do his job.

He’s being selfish not brave. Being brave would actually have been to resign his candidacy and now would be to resign.

Strokes are serious. He didn’t have a minor stroke!

If the shoe was on the other foot and say Trump had multiple strokes and had to check in to a hospital for depression the same Pollyannas praising Fetterman would be saying Trump can’t do his job and should resign and demanding to know more. You know it to be so.

Judging by his speech and coherence in this appearance, it sounds like Fetterman has made a full recovery.

https://youtu.be/gQ3EGxfjPs8
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on December 05, 2023, 03:36:56 pm
Finally KH makes the news
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/politics/harris-record-setting-senate-vote/index.html
it's almost like she doesn't exist.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: gavroche on December 05, 2023, 10:31:11 pm
Finally KH makes the news
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/politics/harris-record-setting-senate-vote/index.html
it's almost like she doesn't exist.

Enjoy it now. Once we get into full blown election season, I am sure the Republicans will plaster her everywhere.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on December 05, 2023, 11:02:22 pm
What has she done that is so terrible? All I hear is how unpopular she is but I think 75% of the American people probably don’t know who the VP is!

Republicans just seem like they are doing the same thing to her that they did to Hillary.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: sweetcell on December 06, 2023, 02:28:35 am
Republicans just seem like they are doing the same thing to her that they did to Hillary.

insta-hate for hillary, insta-hate for kamila... gee, i wonder what they have in common that the average GOP'er is threatened by...
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on December 06, 2023, 06:43:04 am
Exactamente
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on December 10, 2023, 02:56:30 pm
Things are worse than we thought!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/hillary-clinton-joe-biden-campaign-rcna128190?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=6575d284bcd8310001d38647&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Hutch on December 10, 2023, 04:32:31 pm
How dare Hillary not stay in hiding! Hasn’t her right to vote been revoked yet?

And why is Biden raising money for his re-election campaign anyway? Does he not want to not be re-elected?
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on February 08, 2024, 09:45:47 pm
Every voter in America wants Biden to step down for being 1,000 years old and senile, so I think it's probably good that the courts ruled that he can't be responsible for mishandling classified documents because he is 1,000 years old and senile.

Biden won’t be charged in classified docs case; special counsel cites instances of ‘poor memory’ (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-says-evidence-biden-willfully-retained-disclosed-class-rcna96666?fbclid=IwAR3ND-jHNA2eSfFmR8UdDInUiqXjwLCJmY6-_mitCcQj1s7I7qACQla3GX8)
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: gavroche on February 09, 2024, 11:22:10 am
Every voter in America wants Biden to step down for being 1,000 years old and senile, so I think it's probably good that the courts ruled that he can't be responsible for mishandling classified documents because he is 1,000 years old and senile.

Biden won’t be charged in classified docs case; special counsel cites instances of ‘poor memory’ (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-says-evidence-biden-willfully-retained-disclosed-class-rcna96666?fbclid=IwAR3ND-jHNA2eSfFmR8UdDInUiqXjwLCJmY6-_mitCcQj1s7I7qACQla3GX8)

I'm not a Biden fan, and I think he should step aside, but it's not the courts that said that.  It's a political hit job from a partisan Republican special prosecuter.   Someone should count the number of times Trump has said he can't remember in his various lawsuits.  Unfortunately, Trump doesn't look like my senile grandfather. 
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on February 09, 2024, 11:30:22 am
Every voter in America wants Biden to step down for being 1,000 years old and senile, so I think it's probably good that the courts ruled that he can't be responsible for mishandling classified documents because he is 1,000 years old and senile.

Biden won’t be charged in classified docs case; special counsel cites instances of ‘poor memory’ (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-says-evidence-biden-willfully-retained-disclosed-class-rcna96666?fbclid=IwAR3ND-jHNA2eSfFmR8UdDInUiqXjwLCJmY6-_mitCcQj1s7I7qACQla3GX8)

I'm not a Biden fan, and I think he should step aside, but it's not the courts that said that.  It's a political hit job from a partisan Republican special prosecuter.   Someone should count the number of times Trump has said he can't remember in his various lawsuits.  Unfortunately, Trump doesn't look like my senile grandfather.

Trump kinda looks like what i imagine my dad and grandpa would have looked like if they both didn't die in their 50s.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: gavroche on February 09, 2024, 06:27:52 pm
Every voter in America wants Biden to step down for being 1,000 years old and senile, so I think it's probably good that the courts ruled that he can't be responsible for mishandling classified documents because he is 1,000 years old and senile.

Biden won’t be charged in classified docs case; special counsel cites instances of ‘poor memory’ (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-says-evidence-biden-willfully-retained-disclosed-class-rcna96666?fbclid=IwAR3ND-jHNA2eSfFmR8UdDInUiqXjwLCJmY6-_mitCcQj1s7I7qACQla3GX8)



I'm not a Biden fan, and I think he should step aside, but it's not the courts that said that.  It's a political hit job from a partisan Republican special prosecuter.   Someone should count the number of times Trump has said he can't remember in his various lawsuits.  Unfortunately, Trump doesn't look like my senile grandfather.

Trump kinda looks like what i imagine my dad and grandpa would have looked like if they both didn't die in their 50s.

I guess I just don't have narcissism in my family genes?!
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: nkotb on February 09, 2024, 06:41:49 pm
So they were both hot?


Trump kinda looks like what i imagine my dad and grandpa would have looked like if they both didn't die in their 50s.
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Space Freely on February 09, 2024, 08:40:24 pm
So they were both hot?


Trump kinda looks like what i imagine my dad and grandpa would have looked like if they both didn't die in their 50s.

I think of my dad's side of the family as "stout" (though my dad himself wasn't) like Trump.

I think of my mom's side of the family as slender/slighly frail like Biden.

I also remember my (blue collar by choice) dad was a big Trump fan back in the 80's. I can only imagine how big a fan he'd be now,
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 13, 2024, 04:12:28 pm
how are we not talking about Superpayaseria Crystalroc!
has my endorsement
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 13, 2024, 11:00:52 pm
Dems retain control of the Pennsylvania house in a special election

All eyes on the New York special election  now
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 13, 2024, 11:11:44 pm
I guess this goes here, but wow are people wound up over Jon Stewart’s return…

All he did was point out some obvious things about Biden and people lose their stuffing… Biden should have just left that press conference and not posted dumb stuff on TikTok…  and they dealt with the memory issue masterfully by showing TFG and his spawn with their do not recalls in dispositions…

The correspondents in a diner bit was top notch
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 13, 2024, 11:14:04 pm
Things looking very positive for the dem in that NY race…
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on February 13, 2024, 11:51:43 pm
I guess this goes here, but wow are people wound up over Jon Stewart’s return…
Just watched and I thought it was fantastic
Title: Re: 2022 - dems in disarray thread
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on February 14, 2024, 12:05:59 am
I guess this goes here, but wow are people wound up over Jon Stewart’s return…

All he did was point out some obvious things about Biden and people lose their stuffing… Biden should have just left that press conference and not posted dumb stuff on TikTok…  and they dealt with the memory issue masterfully by showing TFG and his spawn with their do not recalls in dispositions…

The correspondents in a diner bit was top notch
Hes never been interesting nor insightful and he remains neither of those things.