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BUSH'S BOOZE CRISIS (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/63426)
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Faced with the biggest crisis of his political life, President Bush has hit the bottle again, The National Enquirer can reveal.
Bush, who said he quit drinking the morning after his 40th birthday, has started boozing amid the Katrina catastrophe.
Family sources have told how the 59-year-old president was caught by First Lady Laura downing a shot of booze at their family ranch in Crawford, Texas, when he learned of the hurricane disaster.
His worried wife yelled at him: "Stop, George."
Following the shocking incident, disclosed here for the first time, Laura privately warned her husband against "falling off the wagon" and vowed to travel with him more often so that she can keep an eye on Dubya, the sources add.
"When the levees broke in New Orleans, it apparently made him reach for a shot," said one insider. "He poured himself a Texas-sized shot of straight whiskey and tossed it back. The First Lady was shocked and shouted: "Stop George!"
"Laura gave him an ultimatum before, 'It's Jim Beam or me.' She doesn't want to replay that nightmare â?? especially now when it's such tough going for her husband."
Bush is under the worst pressure of his two terms in office and his popularity is near an all-time low. The handling of the Katrina crisis and troop losses in Iraq have fueled public discontent and pushed Bush back to drink.
A Washington source said: "The sad fact is that he has been sneaking drinks for weeks now. Laura may have only just caught him â?? but the word is his drinking has been going on for a while in the capital. He's been in a pressure cooker for months.
"The war in Iraq, the loss of American lives, has deeply affected him. He takes every soldier's life personally. It has left him emotionally drained.
The result is he's taking drinks here and there, likely in private, to cope. "And now with the worst domestic crisis in his administration over Katrina, you pray his drinking doesn't go out of control."
Another source said: "I'm only surprised to hear that he hadn't taken a shot sooner. Before Katrina, he was at his wit's end. I've known him for years. He's been a good ol' Texas boy forever. George had a drinking problem for years that most professionals would say needed therapy. He doesn't believe in it [therapy], he never got it. He drank his way through his youth, through college and well into his thirties. Everyone's drinking around him."
Another source said: "A family member told me they fear George is 'falling apart.' The First Lady has been assigned the job of gatekeeper." Bush's history of drinking dates back to his youth. Speaking of his time as a young man in the National Guard, he has said: "One thing I remember, and I'm most proud of, is my drinking and partying. Those were the days my friends. Those were the good old days!"
Age 26 in 1972, he reportedly rounded off a night's boozing with his 16-year-old brother Marvin by challenging his father to a fight.
On November 1, 2000, on the eve of his first presidential election, Bush acknowledged that in 1976 he was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol near his parents' home in Maine. Age 30 at the time, Bush pleaded guilty and paid a $150 fine. His driving privileges were temporarily suspended in Maine.
"I'm not proud of that," he said. "I made some mistakes. I occasionally drank too much, and I did that night. I learned my lesson." In another interview around that time, he said: "Well, I don't think I had an addiction. You know it's hard for me to say. I've had friends who were, you know, very addicted... and they required hitting bottom (to start) going to AA. I don't think that was my case."
During his 2000 presidential campaign, there were also persistent questions about past cocaine use. Eventually Bush denied using cocaine after 1992, then quickly extended the cocaine-free period back to 1974, when he was 28.
Dr. Justin Frank, a Washington D.C. psychiatrist and author of Bush On The Couch: Inside The Mind Of The President, told The National Enquirer: "I do think that Bush is drinking again. Alcoholics who are not in any program, like the President, have a hard time when stress gets to be great.
"I think it's a concern that Bush disappears during times of stress. He spends so much time on his ranch. It's very frightening."
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I wonder if he's back on the old blow too? At least his niece could hook him up with some good stuff.
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Maybe he should read THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE?
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I always heard that when he had his "pretzel choking" incident that he was actually sauced and that as a result he passed out and hit his head. I also have a friend who swears up and down that one night at Cactus Cantina, he showed up (with full Secret Service entourage) and downed a couple of longnecks.
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You guys will believe anything you read.....LOL
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Never mind.....
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You guys will believe anything you read.....LOL
Only if it's from a respected news source like The National Enquirer or Fox News.
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Who said anything about believing? But by the same token, it's probably not far from the truth.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You guys will believe anything you read.....LOL
one doesn't just up and quit a lifelong habit like drinking or blow. His polls are slipping and the cracks in his cartoon policymaking are beginning to show, so it follows that he'd go back to what he knows best - getting fucked up. It's not like he's ever acheived anything meaningful or character building in his life that he can reference in tight times like these - failed oil exec, he was relieved of his minority stake ownership of the Rangers.
I really would like to see him exit the White House in deep shame if only bc his administratiobn couldnt be nailed for cavorting(sp?) w Enron, lying about WMD's and everything else they've gotten away with.
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What the hell are you talking about? Plenty of drug and alcohol abusers go cold turkey.
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You guys will believe anything you read.....LOL
one doesn't just up and quit a lifelong habit like drinking or blow. His polls are slipping and the cracks in his cartoon policymaking are beginning to show, so it follows that he'd go back to what he knows best - getting fucked up. It's not like he's ever acheived anything meaningful or character building in his life that he can reference in tight times like these - failed oil exec, he was relieved of his minority stake ownership of the Rangers - that [/b]
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Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
I really would like to see him exit the White House in deep shame [/QB]
Like Bill Clinton did....LOL
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Putting Bubba and Dubya in the same boat is laughable to me. Not that Bubba was perfect by any means, but at least he gave a damn.
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Originally posted by bearman:
Not that Bubba was perfect by any means, but at least he gave a damn.
But he didn't give a damn about Hillary.
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And exactly how did that affect your life personally?
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Remind me how Clinton gave more of a damn about me personally than Bush did? I think they both tried to shortchange me on the cost of living pay raise for federal employees. So I can't think of anything either one did that differentially affected me personally.
Originally posted by bearman:
And exactly how did that affect your life personally?
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Every time a president signs a bill that does something with your federal tax dollars, every time you take a breath of air from the environment (Bush relaxed enviro laws, many of which now the EPA aren't enforcing), etc. Those things DO affect your life.
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So does second hand smoke at shows. But the smokers don't seem to care.
Originally posted by bearman:
Every time a president signs a bill that does something with your federal tax dollars, every time you take a breath of air from the environment (Bush relaxed enviro laws, many of which now the EPA aren't enforcing), etc. Those things DO affect your life.
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They should. And apparently DC is close to becoming smoke free.
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does he mean care about you personally, or care about his job? cause i think he means clinton put alot more effort into being president
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Remind me how Clinton gave more of a damn about me personally than Bush did? I think they both tried to shortchange me on the cost of living pay raise for federal employees. So I can't think of anything either one did that differentially affected me personally.
Originally posted by bearman:
And exactly how did that affect your life personally?
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Clinton felt my pain. He said so. Several times.
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Osama should be sending Clinton Christmas cards every year for letting him live longer. Thanks, Bill.
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but dub is a compassionate conservative. kind of a wash
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Osama should be sending Clinton Christmas cards every year for letting him live longer. Thanks, Bill.
The reflex Clinton argument is getting so old. How many years ago was Clinton in office, but yes, it is his fault Osama is STILL alive.
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Originally posted by hostiledm:
The reflex Clinton argument is getting so old. How many years ago was Clinton in office, but yes, it is his fault Osama is STILL alive. [/QB]
Oh, I'm sorry the same thing is coming up over, and over, and over, and over again. That never happens with the Bush topics. :roll:
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Rob, didn't you admit to not voting? What do you care about politics?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by hostiledm:
The reflex Clinton argument is getting so old. How many years ago was Clinton in office, but yes, it is his fault Osama is STILL alive. [/b]
Oh, I'm sorry the same thing is coming up over, and over, and over, and over again. That never happens with the Bush topics. :roll: [/QB]
Yes, the same Clinton thing is brought up by you over and over and over when you can't make a real argument.
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Originally posted by econo:
Rob, didn't you admit to not voting? What do you care about politics?
I don't believe you've ever met me, so what do you care about what I care about?
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Originally posted by hostiledm:
Yes, the same Clinton thing is brought up by you over and over and over when you can't make a real argument. [/QB]
I don't like arguing. I just like laughing at you guys when you complain constantly about the same thing over and over and over, so keep going, I've still got more energy to laugh at you. :D
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by hostiledm:
Yes, the same Clinton thing is brought up by you over and over and over when you can't make a real argument. [/b]
I don't like arguing. I just like laughing at you guys when you complain constantly about the same thing over and over and over, so keep going, I've still got more energy to laugh at you. :D [/QB]
Yes, your constant Clinton complaining is pretty funny. Its just its a real old joke. And so are your smile face emotocons. Butch it up a tad GeeBoy.
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Originally posted by hostiledm:
]Yes, your constant Clinton complaining is pretty funny. Its just its a real old joke. And so are your smile face emotocons. Butch it up a tad GeeBoy. [/QB]
This is for you Ms. Hostiledm. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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You've got me there.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I don't believe you've ever met me, so what do you care about what I care about?
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Originally posted by hostiledm:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Osama should be sending Clinton Christmas cards every year for letting him live longer. Thanks, Bill.
The reflex Clinton argument is getting so old. How many years ago was Clinton in office, but yes, it is his fault Osama is STILL alive. [/b]
Isn't GW the one who went looking for Osama in Iraq, basically?
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Econo was just trying to point out the irony of participating in an argument in support of Bush when ultimately that person didn't support him when it mattered.
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I'm going home.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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So if the National Enquirer is a reliable source for this story, does that mean they were reliable when they said they found a trove of Hillary's lesbian love letters?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by hostiledm:
Yes, the same Clinton thing is brought up by you over and over and over when you can't make a real argument. [/b]
I don't like arguing. I just like laughing at you guys when you complain constantly about the same thing over and over and over, so keep going, I've still got more energy to laugh at you. :D [/QB]
I call bullshit on this. If you don't like arguing why do you always get into them?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
So if the National Enquirer is a reliable source for this story, does that mean they were reliable when they said they found a trove of Hillary's lesbian love letters?
sweet!
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Originally posted by Ellis D. Fleischbach:
Maybe he should read THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE?
I don't want a tweaker (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050928/ap_on_re_us/courthouse_hostage_book_8) for President! :eek:
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That sounds like a Ramones song.
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Lemmy for Prez!
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ahhhh, marion barry. now that was leader!
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I'm sure of plenty of addicts go cold turkey. How many of this nebulous "plenty" stay clean? I've known 4 heroin addicts in my life; none of them have been able to stay clean.
Btw, Xavier, you post the lamest 'look-at-the-chip-on-my-shoulder' shit on this board. How come? Is it because I'm black?
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
What the hell are you talking about? Plenty of drug and alcohol abusers go cold turkey.
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You guys will believe anything you read.....LOL
one doesn't just up and quit a lifelong habit like drinking or blow. His polls are slipping and the cracks in his cartoon policymaking are beginning to show, so it follows that he'd go back to what he knows best - getting fucked up. It's not like he's ever acheived anything meaningful or character building in his life that he can reference in tight times like these - failed oil exec, he was relieved of his minority stake ownership of the Rangers - that [/b]
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agreed.
and continues to give a shit. he has a genuine interest in global issues that would put Bush to sleep.
Originally posted by bearman:
Putting Bubba and Dubya in the same boat is laughable to me. Not that Bubba was perfect by any means, but at least he gave a damn.
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are you kidding? invading Iraq was on the table way before 9-11. Kissinger proposed invading Saudi Arabia in 73 during the first major gas crisis. The US is pretty serious about maintaining a steady supply of oil. No oil means no commerce and no defense.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by hostiledm:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Osama should be sending Clinton Christmas cards every year for letting him live longer. Thanks, Bill.
The reflex Clinton argument is getting so old. How many years ago was Clinton in office, but yes, it is his fault Osama is STILL alive. [/b]
Isn't GW the one who went looking for Osama in Iraq, basically? [/b]
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the jokes about Bill Clinton's philandering will probably never end. But Clinton and his views and opinions still count.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
I really would like to see him exit the White House in deep shame [/b]
Like Bill Clinton did....LOL [/QB]
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You're black?
Steve Earle has managed to stay off of junk, and everything else he was addicted to.
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
I'm sure of plenty of addicts go cold turkey. How many of this nebulous "plenty" stay clean? I've known 4 heroin addicts in my life; none of them have been able to stay clean.
Btw, Xavier, you post the lamest 'look-at-the-chip-on-my-shoulder' shit on this board. How come? Is it because I'm black?
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
What the hell are you talking about? Plenty of drug and alcohol abusers go cold turkey.
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You guys will believe anything you read.....LOL
one doesn't just up and quit a lifelong habit like drinking or blow. His polls are slipping and the cracks in his cartoon policymaking are beginning to show, so it follows that he'd go back to what he knows best - getting fucked up. It's not like he's ever acheived anything meaningful or character building in his life that he can reference in tight times like these - failed oil exec, he was relieved of his minority stake ownership of the Rangers - that [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
You're black?
I know, furthest thing from my mind also.
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Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
I'm sure of plenty of addicts go cold turkey. How many of this nebulous "plenty" stay clean? I've known 4 heroin addicts in my life; none of them have been able to stay clean.
Trust me....there are loads and loads of junkies, drunks and crackheads who get clean and stay clean.
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Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
agreed.
and continues to give a shit. he has a genuine interest in global issues that would put Bush to sleep.
Originally posted by bearman:
Putting Bubba and Dubya in the same boat is laughable to me. Not that Bubba was perfect by any means, but at least he gave a damn.
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...and to shame. Mind you Sadam Husseins interest in Global issues would put hee-haw to shame.
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Yes, I was kidding. Getting Osama was just the REASON to go in to Iraq at this time (the undercurrent reason, there were the whole WMD as well...)
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
are you kidding? invading Iraq was on the table way before 9-11. Kissinger proposed invading Saudi Arabia in 73 during the first major gas crisis. The US is pretty serious about maintaining a steady supply of oil. No oil means no commerce and no defense.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by hostiledm:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Osama should be sending Clinton Christmas cards every year for letting him live longer. Thanks, Bill.
The reflex Clinton argument is getting so old. How many years ago was Clinton in office, but yes, it is his fault Osama is STILL alive. [/b]
Isn't GW the one who went looking for Osama in Iraq, basically? [/b]
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Originally posted by Bags:
[QB] , there were the whole WMD as well...)
Where did they dispose of those in the end? ;)
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Where did they dispose of those in the end? ;) [/QB]
Ireland
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Where did they dispose of those in the end? ;) [/b]
Ireland [/QB]
Oh, those must be the ones the IRA just decommissioned. :roll:
Here's Gerry Adams and P. O'Neill at the decommissioning ceremony.
<img src="http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/09/14/inside-disney-pinnochio.jpg" alt=" - " />
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ehtiopian, at any rate
god bless Steve Earle and all, but does anyone on this board personally know someone who went cold turkey and quit for life? saying there are "plenty of people" doesnt really prove anything to me. My experience says otherwise.
ANd it's beside the point anyhow. It's a fact that Bush has been a hard partier for most of his life. Drinking is a part of his culture. Add to that the likelihood that he and his kin are genetically predisposed to addiction - his daughters, Jeb's kids. Bush also tends to stick his chest out and front righteousness regardless of the facts. So when he says he quit cold turkey, I get skeptical.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
You're black?
Steve Earle has managed to stay off of junk, and everything else he was addicted to.
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
I'm sure of plenty of addicts go cold turkey. How many of this nebulous "plenty" stay clean? I've known 4 heroin addicts in my life; none of them have been able to stay clean.
Btw, Xavier, you post the lamest 'look-at-the-chip-on-my-shoulder' shit on this board. How come? Is it because I'm black?
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
What the hell are you talking about? Plenty of drug and alcohol abusers go cold turkey.
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
You guys will believe anything you read.....LOL
one doesn't just up and quit a lifelong habit like drinking or blow. His polls are slipping and the cracks in his cartoon policymaking are beginning to show, so it follows that he'd go back to what he knows best - getting fucked up. It's not like he's ever acheived anything meaningful or character building in his life that he can reference in tight times like these - failed oil exec, he was relieved of his minority stake ownership of the Rangers - that [/b]
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whadya mean back on again? It's like he never left. :)
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Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
god bless Steve Earle and all, but does anyone on this board personally know someone who went cold turkey and quit for life? saying there are "plenty of people" doesnt really prove anything to me. My experience says otherwise.
Your personal experience includes 4 people you say you know who were heroin addicts. I'd hardly call that a wealth of personal experience.
Believe me when I say that I know what I'm talking about here and not just talking out of my ass. I've known many people who have died, done jail again and again etc. over drugs, but I also know many people and have many friends who have gotten clean from drugs and stayed clean for years, decades, whatever, and continue to stay clean. Now obviously I can't say these people have "quit for life" until we put them in the ground due to natural or otherwise non-drug related causes (which I've also done a time or two).
So to answer your question in one word, yes.