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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Brian_Wallace on January 25, 2008, 09:05:00 am
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Someone on the Malkmus thread saying "Malkmus hasn't done anything good since 'Wowee Zowee'" made me think of this.
What are some albums that when they came out everybody (both fans, critics, the "somewhere in between" of pitchfork media and the general public) ALL said:
"Ugh! What the hell is this? This is awful. This TOTALLY SUCKS."
But, NOW when you look BACK on those albums everybody says:
"Wow! Classic. Best thing they ever did."
Basically, albums that were mercilessly slated when they came out but now are reappreciated as being excellent and groundbreaking.
As the subject of this post, Weezer's 2nd album is the textbook example of this. It was famously voted "Second Worst Album of 1996" in the Rolling Stone reader's poll. Also, after "Slanted and Enchanted" and "Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain" NOBODY was saying "Wowee Zowee" was even a tenth as good as its predecessors when it was released.
Any others?
Brian
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Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique (proto trip-hop album)
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Winger-In the Heart of the Young
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There are probably a dozen each of albums from Neil Young and Lou Reed.
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Sonic Youth - Dirty
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Weezer's 2nd album is the textbook example of this. It was famously voted "Second Worst Album of 1996" in the Rolling Stone reader's poll.
if you ask Rolling Stone readers they'll probably still say that the album sucks ass ... its reputation has grown among emo kids, critics, and people really into music, i don't think casual listeners are all up on that album now
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I find The Strokes' 'Room on Fire' to be much better than its given credit for. Its definitely more than the Is This It rehash it was labeled as. Every song is a winner, and some are champions, and it remains extremely relistenable.
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led zep - presence
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DJ Shadow - The Private Press
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easy...:
Exile On Mainstreet
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Originally posted by i'm her slave:
easy...:
Exile On Mainstreet
Really? I didn't know that was thought of as an inferior album when it was released. That's interesting. The attitude about it has certainly changed, though.
Brian
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by i'm her slave:
easy...:
Exile On Mainstreet
Really? I didn't know that was thought of as an inferior album when it was released. That's interesting. The attitude about it has certainly changed, though.
Brian [/b]
Richards quote below is very similar to your introduction on this thread:
I don't know what (record reviewers) want. We put together a side you can listen to in the morning or fall asleep to late at night and it says, Side two is the only one without a barrelhouse rocker. Well, I mean, you can't please everyone, can you? Actually there's several nice things in it. It's only that they're always waiting for another Let It Bleed... God, when that one came out, the critical reaction was no better than lukewarm.
- Mick Jagger, June 1972
When the record came out it didn't sell particularly well at the beginning, and it was also pretty much universally panned. But within a few years the people who had written the reviews saying it was a piece of crap were extolling it as the best frigging album in the world.
- Keith Richards, 2003
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique (proto trip-hop album)
I don't know if it was panned as much as it was just simply ignored by most people.
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
Originally posted by kosmo:
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique (proto trip-hop album)
I don't know if it was panned as much as it was just simply ignored by most people. [/b]
that is probably more correct... i admit to not being taken with it when it first came out was... wanting to hear "Licensed to Ill II"... however over the years it something I've grown to appreciate. really wish they'd do a deluxe version of PB because there were a number of wicked b-sides released with that record.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
Originally posted by kosmo:
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique (proto trip-hop album)
I don't know if it was panned as much as it was just simply ignored by most people. [/b]
that is probably more correct... i admit to not being taken with it when it first came out was... wanting to hear "Licensed to Ill II"... however over the years it something I've grown to appreciate. really wish they'd do a deluxe version of PB because there were a number of wicked b-sides released with that record. [/b]
To be honest I originally didn't give a shit about hearing it as I DIDN'T want to hear Licensed to Ill II and just assumed that was what it would be; fortunately a good friend of mine forced me to listen to it a couple days after it was released and I proceeded to have my fucking mind blown, we were both really big on the 3 Feet High and Rising record at the time so to us this was the next level as it was even MORE sample heavy. And yeah the B-sides on that record are great, especially "Your Sisters Def" and "Some Dumb Cop Gave Me Two Tickets Already" (Mike D doing a horrible Barry White/Isaac Hayes impression nicking Milli Vanilli lyrics never fails to crack me the hell up).
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the one I always dug was "And What You Give Is What You Get" the instrumental with that great "The Jam" sample at the end.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
the one I was dug was "And What You Give Is What You Get" the instrumental with that great "The Jam" sample at the end.
This is 1975 that rope shit is dead! or something like that HAHA
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i wanna say in the aeroplane over the sea, but that might be the ignored thingy too
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The Bends by Radiohead got panned by critics I think, and I'm not sure if fans really loved it initially. Now some people argue that it's even better than OK Computer.
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I guess it did well, but all I remember anyone talking about when Modest Mouse's "The Moon and Antarctica" came out was how they had sold out. I love that album now.
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I used to get into arguments with a guy in college who was nuts about them and always talked about The Bends being amazing when it came out but I a) never listened to it b) hated the cover (this is around 93/94 i think). I also lked to say they were just one hit wonders.
Originally posted by bearman:
The Bends by Radiohead got panned by critics I think, and I'm not sure if fans really loved it initially. Now some people argue that it's even better than OK Computer.
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paula abdul - "spellbound"
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Massive Attack, "100th Window"
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While i know they are hated on here...
Dave Matthews Band - Before These Crowded Streets
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they were, creep.
Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
I used to get into arguments with a guy in college who was nuts about them and always talked about The Bends being amazing when it came out but I a) never listened to it b) hated the cover (this is around 93/94 i think). I also lked to say they were just one hit wonders.
Originally posted by bearman:
The Bends by Radiohead got panned by critics I think, and I'm not sure if fans really loved it initially. Now some people argue that it's even better than OK Computer.
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this thread, while incredibly stupid, made me put on "wowee zowee" for the first time in a while ... fuck, it's fantastic
i'm not a huge pavement fanatic, but is "kennel district" highly regarded by pavement nut-jobs? if not, it should be
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Fleetwood Mac - Tusk?
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man. i'm a loser.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
they were, creep.
Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
I used to get into arguments with a guy in college who was nuts about them and always talked about The Bends being amazing when it came out but I a) never listened to it b) hated the cover (this is around 93/94 i think). I also lked to say they were just one hit wonders.
Originally posted by bearman:
The Bends by Radiohead got panned by critics I think, and I'm not sure if fans really loved it initially. Now some people argue that it's even better than OK Computer.
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U2 - Auchtung Baby
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
i'm not a huge pavement fanatic, but is "kennel district" highly regarded by pavement nut-jobs? if not, it should be
it's pretty widely regarded as spiral's finest moment, but still, it's spiral and not malkmus.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
i'm not a huge pavement fanatic, but is "kennel district" highly regarded by pavement nut-jobs? if not, it should be
it's pretty widely regarded as spiral's finest moment, but still, it's spiral and not malkmus. [/b]
thanks
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sonic youth - "nyc ghosts & flowers"
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Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
sonic youth - "nyc ghosts & flowers"
No offense, good sir, but I was under the impression that everyone still thought this was one of their weakest releases.
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nada surf - let go
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Originally posted by bearman:
The Bends by Radiohead got panned by critics I think, and I'm not sure if fans really loved it initially. Now some people argue that it's even better than OK Computer.
I remember hearing that long after it was released (maybe even after OK Computer)and thinking that it was pretty good, although I don't remember what critics said.
The problem I had with getting to the second record was that the first one just seemed so horribly cliche-90s at the time. It took a long time for me to figure out that Radiohead wasn't just another Nirvana-grunge ripoff. I was so turned off by the first record that I became the last person around to see that they had actually become pretty good.
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After Willie Nelson recorded "Red Headed Stranger," all of his friends and family told him the record was shit and not to release it. And his label was pissed off because it wasn't 'conventional.'
30-something years later, and it's the best country record ever (in my opinion).
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Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
Fleetwood Mac - Tusk?
Yes.
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Bowie's "Low" was not particularly well received or popular, but its stature has grown by leaps and bounds since then.
"Nevermind" was initially received by the music media as an okay-but-no-great-shakes album, until it blew up.
I keep waiting for a full-blown revival of Metal Machine Music love.
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I think "Raw Power" by Iggy and the Stooges qualifies. I don't think anyone even reviewed it (so technically it didn't get panned by critics), the few die-hard fans didn't think it held up to the first 2 records, and it ended up in a cutout bin. Now it's pretty well-respected. It's actually my favorite Stooges LP.
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question: does anyone think "The Weirdness" will ever qualify for this thread? it certainly has the first half of the requirements down pat.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
question: does anyone think "The Weirdness" will ever qualify for this thread? it certainly has the first half of the requirements down pat.
that one immediately came to mind, but I feel like it was hyped up before anyone heard it (especially when it was revealed that Albini was producing), and then once it was out, it received a universal 'feh'
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I still don't think it's that brutally awful. I mean, I'd probably listen to it once for every 4,000 times I'd listen to any of the other 3 albums, but still, it's not like it's unlistenable.
I think it's more of a by-product of the hype, like Relaxer said. (Albini + Iggy + Stooges) x 30 years = Letdown City, no matter what the disc sounded like.
Originally posted by Relaxer:
that one immediately came to mind, but I feel like it was hyped up before anyone heard it (especially when it was revealed that Albini was producing), and then once it was out, it received a universal 'feh'
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Sorry man. I love the shit out of this band but this album isn't their strongest effort.
Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
sonic youth - "nyc ghosts & flowers"
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That was definitely a low point for Sonic Youth. I wasn't really into "A Thousand Leaves" either. Their last few records have been a very positive step in the right direction though. I love "Murray Street" and "Rather Ripped".