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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Brian_Wallace on January 25, 2008, 04:29:00 pm
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The other side of the coin. Albums that when they were released, were given amazing praise but now that they are looked back upon, are seen as awful.
"Be Here Now" by Oasis.
Brian
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My Chemical Romance - "The Black Parade"
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
The other side of the coin. Albums that when they were released, were given amazing praise but now that they are looked back upon, are seen as awful.
"Be Here Now" by Oasis.
Brian
I personally thought it sucked immediately upon hearing it after its release but yeah overall people still had their love affair with Oasis at the time.
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Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
My Chemical Romance - "The Black Parade"
Fair enough. I love it. I'm not sure if it was amazingly praised when it came out, though. I think one of those recent Red Hot Chili Peppers albums would fit into this category.
Brian
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I'm not sure it's critically reviled now, but I have no clue how RHCP's Stadium Arcadia got any praise. Stink city.
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
My Chemical Romance - "The Black Parade"
Fair enough. I love it. I'm not sure if it was amazingly praised when it came out, though. I think one of those recent Red Hot Chili Peppers albums would fit into this category.
Brian [/b]
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I would have to say "Definitely Maybe" hasn'taged well, the last time I dug it out the couple of really great tracks leap right off it, but the rest sounds now like filler. This maybe in part due to their less than stellar first drummer.
The first Bloc Party didn't age well either...
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http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/mychemicalromance/blackparade?q=my%20chemical%20romance (http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/mychemicalromance/blackparade?q=my%20chemical%20romance)
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
My Chemical Romance - "The Black Parade"
Fair enough. I love it. I'm not sure if it was amazingly praised when it came out, though. I think one of those recent Red Hot Chili Peppers albums would fit into this category.
Brian [/b]
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Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/mychemicalromance/blackparade?q=my%20chemical%20romance (http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/mychemicalromance/blackparade?q=my%20chemical%20romance)
As a MCR fan, I'm so used to being HASSLED! By the MAN! You just don't UNDERSTAND ME, DAD!!! AND MY BLACK CLOTHES!!! AND EYELINER!!!
I never knew it was a highly praised album. I guess I really do have great taste.
Brian
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awful might be a bit strong
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Really? I still think it's pretty top notch. It's not as good as Madonna, but I don't think my appreciation for it has gone down any over the years.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
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you know...i listened to it for the first time in awhile and i like it...but dont love it like i used to
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Really? I still think it's pretty top notch. It's not as good as Madonna, but I don't think my appreciation for it has gone down any over the years.
Yeah, I concur. For my $$, that is still one of the best ten albums of the decade.
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A few years ago it seemed like everyone hated Oasis due to them being everywhere. I would go into a CD Exchange and see dozens of their albums for two bucks each used. Now is seems the hatred of Oasis is passed and their is a certain nostalgia for them and I can not find any used albums of theirs.
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Originally posted by El Jefe Design:
A few years ago it seemed like everyone hated Oasis due to them being everywhere. I would go into a CD Exchange and see dozens of their albums for two bucks each used. Now is seems the hatred of Oasis is passed and their is a certain nostalgia for them and I can not find any used albums of theirs.
I think it's partially because their most recent LP was actually really good. Oasis was amazing when they first came out then got terrible from Be Here Now on, but they've turned into a pretty good act again and only really play the good material, for the most part, in concert.
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by El Jefe Design:
A few years ago it seemed like everyone hated Oasis due to them being everywhere. I would go into a CD Exchange and see dozens of their albums for two bucks each used. Now is seems the hatred of Oasis is passed and their is a certain nostalgia for them and I can not find any used albums of theirs.
I think it's partially because their most recent LP was actually really good. Oasis was amazing when they first came out then got terrible from Be Here Now on, but they've turned into a pretty good act again and only really play the good material, for the most part, in concert. [/b]
their last show at merriweather was pretty great. looking forward to their new album and hopefully US tour..
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"Volta" - Bjork
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Wasn't 'Be Here Now' pretty much dead on arrival?
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I guess this one is more of a prediction because it's still fluffed beyond belief:
LCD Soundsystem - Sound Of Silver
One day, I'll wake up and the rest of the music-listening world will come to their senses re: this album.
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Critics are split on this album...
Originally posted by ixkpd-bk:
"Volta" - Bjork
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Wasn't 'Be Here Now' pretty much dead on arrival?
at its release, i think it had the largest first week UK sales ever. US sales were huge - not as huge per capita at all, but big sales nevertheless. there are some very good songs on it and some real doozies. a lot of the tracks are way too long and certainly overproduced. it's their coke album.
definitely maybe sounds really slow now, for the most part. they play it live about 25% - 50% faster.
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
I think it's partially because their most recent LP was actually really good.
WRONG! Don't kiss their ass. The Kinks cover was great. But "Lyla?" "Mucky Fingers?" "Let There Be Love?" They shouldn't be allowed to make records again after releasing a single called "Let There Be Love." They shouldn't be allowed to make records again after calling an album "Don't Believe The Truth."
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Oasis was amazing when they first came out then got terrible from Be Here Now on, but they've turned into a pretty good act again and only really play the good material, for the most part, in concert.
Which tells you something when "the good material" is stuff from their first two albums and hardly anything from their last four albums.
I've seen them eleven times (but never after "Morning Glory") And they're AWFUL, now. Success totally ruined them. Their music plods. They're boring. They've run out of bands to rip off. They can't do slow songs. They can't do fast songs. They're thick. They're a cliche. The irony of this is that "Be Here Now" is CLEARLY and always will be their third best album. No matter how awful it is, it's better than any of the dreck that followed.
According to Q Magazine, the new album will include a 10 minute psychedelic song called "I Wanna Live A Dream In My Record Machine". Read that again. They're not being ironic. They're going to have a ten-minute song on the album entitled:
"I Wanna Live A Dream In My Record Machine"
I can't WAIT!
Brian
P.S. Julian, what is it with you loving arrogant, huge-ego singer/songwriters who peeked around 1995 and have been exposed as frauds, talent-wise (Corgan, Gallagher)?
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
I think it's partially because their most recent LP was actually really good.
WRONG! Don't kiss their ass. The Kinks cover was great. But "Lyla?" "Mucky Fingers?" "Let There Be Love?" They shouldn't be allowed to make records again after releasing a single called "Let There Be Love." They shouldn't be allowed to make records again after calling an album "Don't Believe The Truth."
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Oasis was amazing when they first came out then got terrible from Be Here Now on, but they've turned into a pretty good act again and only really play the good material, for the most part, in concert.
Which tells you something when "the good material" is stuff from their first two albums and hardly anything from their last four albums.
I've seen them eleven times (but never after "Morning Glory") And they're AWFUL, now. Success totally ruined them. Their music plods. They're boring. They've run out of bands to rip off. They can't do slow songs. They can't do fast songs. They're thick. They're a cliche. The irony of this is that "Be Here Now" is CLEARLY and always will be their third best album. No matter how awful it is, it's better than any of the dreck that followed.
According to Q Magazine, the new album will include a 10 minute psychedelic song called "I Wanna Live A Dream In My Record Machine". Read that again. They're not being ironic. They're going to have a ten-minute song on the album entitled:
"I Wanna Live A Dream In My Record Machine"
I can't WAIT!
Brian
P.S. Julian, what is it with you loving arrogant, huge-ego singer/songwriters who peeked around 1995 and have been exposed as frauds, talent-wise (Corgan, Gallagher)? [/b]
STFU
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
I think it's partially because their most recent LP was actually really good.
WRONG! Don't kiss their ass. The Kinks cover was great. But "Lyla?" "Mucky Fingers?" "Let There Be Love?" They shouldn't be allowed to make records again after releasing a single called "Let There Be Love." They shouldn't be allowed to make records again after calling an album "Don't Believe The Truth."
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Oasis was amazing when they first came out then got terrible from Be Here Now on, but they've turned into a pretty good act again and only really play the good material, for the most part, in concert.
Which tells you something when "the good material" is stuff from their first two albums and hardly anything from their last four albums.
I've seen them eleven times (but never after "Morning Glory") And they're AWFUL, now. Success totally ruined them. Their music plods. They're boring. They've run out of bands to rip off. They can't do slow songs. They can't do fast songs. They're thick. They're a cliche. The irony of this is that "Be Here Now" is CLEARLY and always will be their third best album. No matter how awful it is, it's better than any of the dreck that followed.
According to Q Magazine, the new album will include a 10 minute psychedelic song called "I Wanna Live A Dream In My Record Machine". Read that again. They're not being ironic. They're going to have a ten-minute song on the album entitled:
"I Wanna Live A Dream In My Record Machine"
I can't WAIT!
Brian
P.S. Julian, what is it with you loving arrogant, huge-ego singer/songwriters who peeked around 1995 and have been exposed as frauds, talent-wise (Corgan, Gallagher)? [/b]
I'm a pretty big Oasis fan, but I have to more or less agree with Brian here. There are few good tunes from post-1997, but you have to look hard to find them. The biggest problem is that Liam Gallagher has totally shredded his voice from all the years of singing "wrong" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_fold_nodule). "Familiar to Millions" is pretty much unwatchable/unlistenable becuse of this.
I would recommend checking out "Lord Don't Slow Me Down". It gives a little bit of hope that they've still got something left in the tank.
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Originally posted by yinzer:
Wasn't 'Be Here Now' pretty much dead on arrival?
at its release, i think it had the largest first week UK sales ever. US sales were huge - not as huge per capita at all, but big sales nevertheless. there are some very good songs on it and some real doozies. a lot of the tracks are way too long and certainly overproduced. it's their coke album.
definitely maybe sounds really slow now, for the most part. they play it live about 25% - 50% faster. [/b]
It sold well initially, as Oasis was riding a huge crest of momentum, but it seemed to immediately turn off fans - at least it did for me (and I don't remember seeing any positive reviews). Of course, I never listened to the whole thing because what I heard made it seems that the swagger was neutered and the magic was gone . . . and Urban Hymns and Ok Computer (among others) were a lot more interesting at the time.
I still love Definitely Maybe, but don't listen to it. It was a perfect album for mid-90's early 20's ennui. Its slowness was control . . . focus. The feeling you get when the cigarettes and alcohol and etc. hit right and you're gonna make it happen.
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a big reason that Oasis trailed off on 'be here now' was because prior to that, they released countless b-sides that could've been singles (see the b-side compilation "The Masterplan," it's killer)
Noel's songwriting well just ran dry.
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No one encapsulated the feeling of being young better than Oasis. And there was no greater songwriting tear in recent history than Noel Gallagher 93-98. The struggle for Noel is what do you write about when you have millions of $ in the bank? How the city is too crowded? The love for your girlfriend? Your son? Get the fuck out of here. Oasis was @ their best when they were writing about being young, british and starting a rock band. When forced to write about anything else, the quality of tunes has dropped severely.
They're still a great live act. While Liam's voice has suffered, when he's on, his voice soars through arenas.
The last 3 albums from Oasis (and I say this as a huge fan) have had their moments but are mostly filler. The last tritely named album had more moments than their previous two but it's still not up to par with their first 4 (including the Masterplan).
But what the hell, they'll add a few songs to their greatest hits with each album, and put on some great shows....I'm fine with it.
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btw, I'd say the chances of Verve and Oasis touring together this summer/fall would be strong to quite stong...
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Originally posted by beedubyah:
btw, I'd say the chances of Verve and Oasis touring together this summer/fall would be strong to quite stong...
I would cry if that happened lol. It would be like a brit pop dream come true!