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yinzer

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Re: Bands/records that have not aged well
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2006, 09:46:00 am »
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 This is a double sma(c)k because I'm with Smakawhat on this one.
 
 One of my favorite compilations this year is Jane's greatest hits. Blew me away that some tracks on that album were written in the mid 80's.
 
 "Jane Says" was written over 20 years ago! It certainly doesn't sound anywhere near that old. Neither does Whores, Chip Away or Pigs in Zen.
 
 Now if we move up through Nothing's Shocking and into Ritual, then finally the mess that was Strays, I might tend to agree, but starting with the XXX release and then Nothing's Shocking - they have aged extremely well.
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 OK....Jane's is tricky for me just because their first two albums held so much promise of what could have been great things to come. So in many ways, I feel more "ripped off" by them than just about any band I can think of. Especially when you consider what a complete cheez dick Dave Navarro turned out to be and what a wanna-be svengali / pt barnum or whatever it was Perry Ferrell tried to become.
 
 Smackie, you mention some great songs, especially the ones on the live record. Whores, 1%, even the sap that is "I Would for You".
 
 But when they tried to get funky like on "Been caught stealing" and much of the last album, yeah to me that stuff sounds dated and cheezy now. I do like the trippier stuff from the last album though.  
i have to say that the 2nd side of ritual is still titanic.  the first 2 albums are pretty much great front to back.  strays is just dumb.  jane's was actually my first concert a long, long time ago.  where did all of my gorgeous 17 year old hair go.  damn.
 
 as for its members.  they're fucking dorks now, but i don't really see how that is of much relevance.  aging rocker is a tough thing to pull off well.  they have failed in that regard.
 
 PiL has aged badly.  a friend told me that cassette/compact disc has been re-released without all of the muddled sound in its original form.

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Re: Bands/records that have not aged well
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2006, 10:12:00 am »
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 PiL has aged badly.  
I've been saying that since 1987.

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2006, 11:07:00 am »
Second Edition and Flowers of Romance are still brilliant, the rest was not that great then, and less so now (well first album is 1/2 good and Blue Water is funny).

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2006, 11:11:00 am »
Yeah - I meant to imply that the earlier stuff is still good, but everything from the late 80's-onward pretty much blew - even back then.  First Issue is still my favorite though.

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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2006, 11:42:00 am »
There was quite a bit of hype this year around early Oasis, with the re-issue of Definitely Maybe and the best-of compilation. And back in the mid-90s, I really loved Definitely. So I gave it another spin and... it's not aging well. The drums are exactly the same -- and lame -- in every song, and the whole thing just sort of plods along at mid-tempo.
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2006, 11:56:00 am »
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  Yeah - I meant to imply that the earlier stuff is still good, but everything from the late 80's-onward pretty much blew - even back then.  First Issue is still my favorite though.
I tried to see them at the Ontario Theater in 1985 (?) but I was a youngin' and had to leave before they came on (or anyone showed up).  Then saw them with the Beastie Boys opening for them and it was a shell of their former selves.  
 
 I have to relisten to Compact Disc for "Seattle" is supposedly a bash at the city because Mudhoney trashed their dressing room.

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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2006, 12:06:00 pm »
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  Yeah - I meant to imply that the earlier stuff is still good, but everything from the late 80's-onward pretty much blew - even back then.  First Issue is still my favorite though.
I tried to see them at the Ontario Theater in 1985 (?) but I was a youngin' and had to leave before they came on (or anyone showed up).  Then saw them with the Beastie Boys opening for them and it was a shell of their former selves.  
 
 I have to relisten to Compact Disc for "Seattle" is supposedly a bash at the city because Mudhoney trashed their dressing room. [/b]
Seattle is on the Happy? album
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2006, 12:38:00 pm »
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2006, 01:18:00 pm »
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  Yeah - I meant to imply that the earlier stuff is still good, but everything from the late 80's-onward pretty much blew - even back then.  First Issue is still my favorite though.
I tried to see them at the Ontario Theater in 1985 (?) but I was a youngin' and had to leave before they came on (or anyone showed up).  Then saw them with the Beastie Boys opening for them and it was a shell of their former selves.  
 
 I have to relisten to Compact Disc for "Seattle" is supposedly a bash at the city because Mudhoney trashed their dressing room. [/b]
Seattle is on the Happy? album [/b]
Shows you how long it has been since I played any of those...
 
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2006, 02:31:00 pm »
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  There was quite a bit of hype this year around early Oasis, with the re-issue of Definitely Maybe and the best-of compilation. And back in the mid-90s, I really loved Definitely. So I gave it another spin and... it's not aging well. The drums are exactly the same -- and lame -- in every song, and the whole thing just sort of plods along at mid-tempo.
I pretty much agree with this but have a little bit different take on them.
 
 To me, Oasis are a band that had several really great songs early on. They sounded a bit different than a lot of the crap that was getting airplay back then. (You have to first understand that I've never liked most Grunge nor most of the music that got the airplay around here at that time.) Oasis had that sound that I liked. When I'd play their CDs, the filler helped to hold me over between the songs I liked the most. Not bad songs at all but not their best, which is true for just about any CD by anyone.
 
 After a bit of time goes by, you can only keep playing those same songs over and over again without wanting, or needing, something more. As a listener, I'm sick of them. As musicians, they got very boring and dropped the great songs and just keep on replaying and revising (barely) those same few songs which left me, among many others, off the Oasis bandwagon chasing other sounds.
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2006, 04:53:00 pm »
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2006, 07:23:00 pm »
I agree on Oasis.   How would you all say Nirvana's "Nevermind" has aged?  I used to love it, and it is widely considered a classic, but these days it just doesn't appeal to me... when I do hanker for Nirvana, it's more likely to be something off In Utero.
 
 There is always the possibility when considering these things that it is us who have aged (or to put a better light on it, grown), rather than the music...
 
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2006, 08:22:00 pm »
If I'm at a bar and any song off Definitely Maybe comes on, I'm excited.

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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2006, 08:59:00 pm »
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