Author Topic: Alcohol and Beverage Control Changes (Read 3403 times)

jadetree · « **on:** January 22, 2003, 11:44:00 pm »

Got this from the metro cafe email group - For the past two years, two different task forces have met to propose changes to the ABC Regulations and the ABC law. On December 18, 2002, the ABC Board heard presentations from a number of DCLBA members and some owners , including Dante Ferrando of the Black Cat, Chris Connelly of Velvet Lounge, Bill Thomas of The Blue Room, Bill Duggan of Madam's Organ, Constantine Stavropoulos of Tryst and the Diner, Von Black a promoter at Takoma Station, proposed changes to the new regulations. Our changes would propose the following 6 changes: 1. Allow establishments to remain open 30 minutes past the cut off hour for liquor sales to help prevent large sidewalk crowds and the attendant noise and urination problems. (705.12 2. Require Entertainment Endorsements only after 11:59pm. Before midnight, encourage music and dance and other forms of entertainment. 3. Allow Restaurants that cannot comply with food service requirements 12 months to come into compliance or convert to a CT or CN. 4. Allow automatic conversion to an entertainment endorsement licensees who can provide evidence they have been providing entertainment and dancing on a regular basis for the previous year. 5.Lower the food requirement for CR from $1500 a year per occupancy seat to $1000 per occupancy seat, and for DR to $500 per occupancy seat. 6. Prohibit Voluntary Agreements from restricting live entertainment, restricting sale or transfer of licenses, or restricting advertisements.Send an Email by January 30 to Fred Moosally, General Council, Alcohol and Beverage Regulatory Agency, at Fred.Mosally@dc.gov.To: Fred.Moosally@dc.gov cc. Thecommitteeforalivingdc@yahoo.com ABC Board 941 N.Capitol Street, 7h floor, Washington DC 20001 Subject: changes to the proposed regulationsDear Mr. Moosally:I am writing to ask that the ABC Board adopt the six changes to the proposed regulations proposed by the Committee for a Living DC. These changes will lower sidewalk noise, encourage live entertainment, help some popular places to meet food licensing requirements or change license class, ease the transition to the entertainment endorsement, and check the abuses of so-called voluntary agreements.Thank you for your consideration NAME ADDRESS (you do not have to be a DC resident) Phone number.

lily1 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2003, 10:25:00 am »

thanks. i'll be emailing him. i equate the abc with the gestapo.

vansmack · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2003, 11:34:00 am »

Nevermind.[This message has been edited by vansmack (edited 01-23-2003).]

lily1 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2003, 11:45:00 am »

what were you going to say? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by vansmack: Nevermind.[This message has been edited by vansmack (edited 01-23-2003).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

vansmack · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2003, 11:59:00 am »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by lily1: what were you going to say? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I went to law school with Fred Moosally. He was student body president or something and organized a ton of happy hours for the law student. While not the coolest guy on campus, he kept the students fairly liquored up. I was just going to point out that I find it odd that he now works for the ABC, but you guys don't care about that so I passed my thoughts on to my mates from law school (who probably don't care either). As for their concerns:#1 - they should demonstrate how people leaving a half hour later is going to make the crowd disperse over the half hour and not just wait an extra half hour before they leave.#2 - the price of entertainment endorsement would have to drop substantially, otheriwse why would anyone buy an endorsement for 2 hours?#3 - sounds good.#4 - sounds good.#5 - not familiar enough with the business, but I trust the judgment of the owners of these establishments to know what they're talking about.#6 - Completely agree!

Jaguär · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2003, 06:35:00 pm »

I've always believed that the most dangerous thing on the road was Last Call. My thinking being that many people buy their last drinks and then have to down them in minimal time just to be kicked out and on the road...just as the alcohol hits them. Personally, I'm all for any of these establishments being allowed to stay open longer, if they so choose, even if the liquor is cut off at a certain time. Gives us time to nurse our drinks and ease ourselves on the road. As far as noise and the neighbors, if can't handle the noise, don't move to an Urban area that includes bars, restaraunts and other business establishments. Don't expect the neighborhood to change just because you moved in.

paige · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2003, 06:45:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jaguär: I've always believed that the most dangerous thing on the road was Last Call. My thinking being that many people buy their last drinks and then have to down them in minimal time just to be kicked out and on the road...just as the alcohol hits them. Personally, I'm all for any of these establishments being allowed to stay open longer, if they so choose, even if the liquor is cut off at a certain time. Gives us time to nurse our drinks and ease ourselves on the road. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i am well aware that most people will drink and then drive home...and i'm sure that 90 percent of those people make it home without any incidents or anything, but i don't even agree with people drinking more than 1 or 2 drinks and then driving home. not only are you putting yourself at risk but someone else could get hurt. yeah that sounds cliche and cheesy and preachy.... but i am all for having fun and going out to be festive and have a few drinks, but i think that people should just take a cab or have someone else drive them if theyre pretty incoherent. i have no idea what i am talking about. seriously. so dont listen to me.

vansmack · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2003, 06:47:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jaguär: I've always believed that the most dangerous thing on the road was Last Call. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's usually not the "last call" that put them over the limit, though it doesn't help any either.

Jaguär · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2003, 07:31:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by paige: i am well aware that most people will drink and then drive home...and i'm sure that 90 percent of those people make it home without any incidents or anything, but i don't even agree with people drinking more than 1 or 2 drinks and then driving home. not only are you putting yourself at risk but someone else could get hurt. yeah that sounds cliche and cheesy and preachy.... but i am all for having fun and going out to be festive and have a few drinks, but i think that people should just take a cab or have someone else drive them if theyre pretty incoherent. i have no idea what i am talking about. seriously. so dont listen to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's not the point Paige. Yes, any driver should be a responsible driver. The point is that of the law dictating when an establishment must shut their doors. The fact is, many people will drink and drive and kicking them out 15 minutes (or whatever it is) after they've just had a drink that they've gulped down doesn't help the problem. BTW, not all patrons will wait until the very last minute to leave. Many will want to beat the rush or just want to get moving for other reasons of their own.

paige · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2003, 07:56:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jaguär: That's not the point Paige. Yes, any driver should be a responsible driver. The point is that of the law dictating when an establishment must shut their doors. The fact is, many people will drink and drive and kicking them out 15 minutes (or whatever it is) after they've just had a drink that they've gulped down doesn't help the problem. BTW, not all patrons will wait until the very last minute to leave. Many will want to beat the rush or just want to get moving for other reasons of their own.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> i understand what you are saying. the fact that people are rushed out of a place right after they've finished their drink and didn't have time to let it settle a bit will only make things worse.

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