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bearman🐻

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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2005, 01:32:00 pm »
One time I saw Macy Gray at Morton's in Georgetown. She and her entourage showed up late and were REALLY pissed that they couldn't be seated right away, in a private area. Not like anyone there cared who she was.
 
 I run into Carole King on Capitol Hill all the time. I think I've met her about 6 or 7 times.

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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2005, 01:58:00 pm »
The 4P's used to bring in a good amount of celebs for a local Irish Bar.  
 
 I served beers to among other non DC sports/polticos: Mariah Carey, Shannen Doherty (I still love that story), and the only time I ever had my picture taken with a celeb in the bar - Dominik Hasek.
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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2005, 02:00:00 pm »
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   I bet they got a long term lease or bought their turf in the Haight and Berkeley years before the Bay Area went through the tech boom.
It was right in the middle of the tech boom, and they bought an old run down bowling alley that, if I remember correctly, sat vacant for a while before they turned into the Mecca of music stores.
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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2005, 05:26:00 pm »
Why is DCist asking local musicians about a problem they likely know little about when they should be asking people who may have solutions to the problem?
 
 That's obvious.  Because I'm sexy.

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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2005, 05:59:00 pm »
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 That's obvious.  Because I'm sexy.
I was hoping it was you....and that you wouldn't take offense.   To me it appeared like they were asking the manufacturing dept a question that should be asked of the marketing and sales department.  That's all I was getting at.
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boweswana

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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2005, 06:08:00 pm »
Not a whit of offense taken at all.  Quite the opposite really.  Anytime someone is talking about me, even tangetially, I am giddy with great joy and ego.
 
 It was kinda interesting to write about though as I have NO clue about how retail works.  I DO know a lot about Hanoi Rocks though and have the t-shirts to prove it!!!

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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2005, 06:41:00 pm »
you worked at the 4 Ps??
 
 
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  The 4P's used to bring in a good amount of celebs for a local Irish Bar.  
 
 I served beers to among other non DC sports/polticos: Mariah Carey, Shannen Doherty (I still love that story), and the only time I ever had my picture taken with a celeb in the bar - Dominik Hasek.

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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2005, 06:56:00 pm »
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  you worked at the 4 Ps??
 
   
Why do I get the feeling we're about to know each other outside of this board?
 
 Yes, I worked at the 4P's.  And when I wasn't working there, I was drinking and throwing darts there.
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suede

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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2005, 06:44:00 pm »
As one of the owners of the defunct Now! Music and Fashion I'll give you a couple reasons why its so hard to operate an indie show in DC.
 
 1. Start up costs are very high because you need a lot of inventory to have a good selection.  We never had quite enough cash to carry everything we wanted.  And if you miss sales cos you dont have the inventory thats a problem.
 2. Rent is really high in this area.  Our first location in Clarendon was terrific, but the rent was 6k a month.  We never broke even in that locale.
 3. Downloads.  In my personal opinion you'd be crazy to open an indie store at this point due to music downloads.  Even Newbury comics is having problems at this point.  The future is not in CDs and indie stores all over are having problems due to it.
 4. DC has a small group of indie music lovers but you have to do volume to make money and we never did.  
 
 I wish DC could support a great record store and although we never reached 100% of our potential we gave it our best shot.  We had a lot of breaks go against us though and never quite made it.  Its a very tough business. Good luck to anyone giving it a go.

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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2005, 07:51:00 pm »
i used to frequent aron's records in LA quite a bit. now that was a cool indie record store. saw ringo starr there once, and again at some trendy shoe shop on melrose. spotted janeane garafolo quite a bit.
 
 as for berkeley stores, i always preferred rasputins. in high school we used to always scour the bins at rasputins. but amoeba's was pretty popular when it opened.
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Re: Plight of local record stores
« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2005, 04:51:00 pm »
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 Record Chain Bets on the Past, Future
 
 No industry has been as thoroughly eviscerated by new technologies and changing cultural norms as the music business.
 
 The record companies are consolidating, laying people off, wondering whither their audience has fled.
 
 Record chains like Tower Records and Wherehouse Music have spent long stretches under bankruptcy protection. Makers of portable devices and purveyors of online music are all searching for the right formula to serve a mass market.
 
 Through all this upheaval, Amoeba Music survives. The independent record chain was founded in 1990 in a Berkeley storefront and subsequently expanded to three stores â?? one on San Francisco's Haight Street and another, launched in November 2001 near Sunset and Vine, that instantly became a Hollywood landmark.
 
 Up to now Amoeba's success has been based on looking backward. It relies for as much as half its unit volume on used, vintage, and collectible LPs ("vinyl" in used-record parlance), CDs, and DVDs on which high profit margins make up for the razor-thin margins on new CDs. Amoeba's used-record buyers are masters at assessing with a glance material that comes across its trade-in counters by the thousands per day â?? more than 200,000 items a month at the Hollywood location alone, not including items acquired from established collections or at estate sales.
 
 But Amoeba is about to take a couple of big leaps into the future, with plans to start its own record label and to create an online site for downloadable music.
 
 "We're starting the 21st century now," Dave Prinz, 52, one of the company's co-founders, told me last week in Berkeley. "The Internet is changing everything. We were ignoring it."
 
 As a chain that has stayed in private hands, remained manageably compact, and built a devoted (not to say fanatical) clientele, Amoeba has long seemed immune from the changes roiling the rest of the industry. Only this year has it detected any flattening of sales that might arguably be traced to free peer-to-peer music trading and commercial downloading sites.
 
 Part of its appeal to customers is the stores' unique atmosphere. Amoeba shuns industry promotions that make customers at Tower Records or Best Buy feel as if they're trapped in a "living commercial," in the words of Marc Weinstein, 48, who was working in a Bay Area record store when he co-founded Amoeba with Prinz and two other friends. (One, Karen Pearson, now oversees the L.A. store; the other is retired.)
 
 Amoeba takes great pride in the uncanny erudition of its staff â?? its test for applicants for a buyer's position is so tough that, according to company legend, only one person, a buyer at the Haight store, has ever notched a perfect grade.
 
 Indeed, armed with a list of hard-to-find CDs from several genres, I was able to stump the Berkeley floor staff on only one, an obscure Hungarian recording of the ensemble piece "Coming Together/Attica" by composer Frederic Rzewski that I've been trying to replace for years.
 
 Amoeba is the rare chain where the inventory encompasses items including the Guarneri Quartet's 30-year-old recording of Mozart's Six Quartets Dedicated to Haydn, Ellington's "Great Paris Concert" and a huge selection of the avant-garde saxophonist John Zorn â?? not to mention black metal, electronica, world music and much more. The very breadth of the inventory creates its own sense of community among the customers â?? especially within the diversity of L.A.
 
 "Amoeba is this little distillation machine," Weinstein says. "I can't tell you how many people thank me just for creating a place you can go and be proud of the L.A. scene."
 
 Weinstein and his partners have consistently resisted pressure to expand the chain beyond what they could embrace with their own arms, turning down feelers from New York and Chicago. Los Angeles was harder to rebuff, in part because customers visiting the Bay Area from Southern California kept pleading for a local outlet.
 
 "L.A. was the biggest chance we took," Weinstein says. "It was the chance of losing control."
 
 The owners focused their energies by making the L.A. store big enough to serve as a destination for the entire region. They spent roughly $2.5 million to acquire used vinyl and CDs over a period of months before the grand opening of their 30,000-square-foot store, seeding it with an inventory that exceeded that of the two Bay Area stores combined.
 
 The new store soon exceeded the owners' projections, and not merely in sales volume.
 
 "The sheer number of hard-core music lovers and collectors in L.A. was far beyond what we expected," Weinstein says. "Then there's the ethnic and economic diversity. It's a deep and rich tapestry, and after 25 years up here in the Bay Area, it's refreshing to have that alternative reality in my life."
 
 Still, opening a major bricks-and-mortar location doesn't sound like an experience the partners are eager to repeat. Instead, they're contemplating alternative ways of distributing music.
 
 That has led to plans, still in development, for an Internet download site, perhaps to absorb the technological challenges they know are coming. "The next store we build will be virtual," Prinz says.
 
 More advanced are plans for an Amoeba record label. Prinz, an enthusiast who wears his passions on his sleeve, says the first CD, scheduled for January, will be a previously unreleased 1969 concert recording by one of his artistic heroes, the country-rock pioneer Gram Parsons. Prinz hopes to follow the CD with other archival material from Parsons, only a fraction of which appeared before the musician's death in 1973 at the age of 26.
 
 Amoeba will also release an album featuring the Robin Nolan Trio, a Gypsy jazz group inspired by Django Reinhardt, and Brandi Shearer, a local singer who happened to join the Nolan group for a promotional appearance at the Haight Street store and knocked Prinz over with her smoky voice.
 
 The label's business model will thus reflect that of the stores â?? a little looking back, and a little looking forward. Says Weinstein, "this business has always been about the cool stuff we could bring to people."
 
 From: The LA Times