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Sage 703

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go Johnny go!!
« on: January 26, 2006, 06:17:00 pm »
It is about freaking time somebody from a blue state grew a spine.
 
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/26/alito/index.html
 
 Kerry will try Alito filibuster
 White House confident it has support to bring vote
 From Ed Henry
 CNN
 
 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John Kerry will attempt a filibuster to block the nomination of Judge Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court, CNN has learned.
 
 Kerry, in Davos, Switzerland, to attend the World Economic Forum, was marshaling support in phone calls during the day, he told CNN.
 
 Kerry said he told a group of Democratic senators Wednesday, and urged that they join him. Kerry said he has the support of fellow Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy.
 
 Some senior Democrats told CNN they are worried that the move could backfire.
 
 Republicans would need 60 votes to overturn a filibuster -- a procedural move that extends Senate debate indefinitely, effectively blocking a vote. Senior White House officials said the move would make the Democrats look bad, and that Republicans believe they have enough votes to overcome any filibuster attempt.
 
 Nearly all 55 Republican senators have said they will vote for Alito. Only three Democrats -- Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia and Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota -- have said they will vote for the nominee.
 
 Earlier Thursday, Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana said she would oppose a filibuster.
 
 "Because we have such a full plate of pressing issues before Congress, a filibuster at this time would be, in my view, very counterproductive," said Landrieu, who is pushing the Senate to focus on the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast in the wake of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
 
 Party line vote
 On Tuesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted along party lines to send Alito's nomination to the full Senate.
 
 In supporting Alito, the 10 committee Republicans praised his qualifications and long judicial career.
 
 Democrats have been mostly united in opposition to Alito. The panel's eight Democrats opposed him, saying he would be too deferential to presidential authority and would restrict abortion rights.
 
 Republicans and the White House are pushing to have that vote before President Bush gives his State of the Union speech January 31, Senate sources have said.
 
 In the floor debate of Alito's nomination, Democrats have been highly critical of the nomination, saying he would threaten civil liberties and fail to act as a check on executive power.
 
 "If an originalist analysis was applied to the Fourteenth Amendment, women would not be provided equal protection under the Constitution, interracial marriages could be outlawed, schools could still be segregated and the principle of one man, one vote would not govern the way we elect our representatives," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat.
 
 Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the Judiciary Committee's ranking Democrat, had supported Chief Justice John Roberts' nomination last fall.
 
 But this time, he said, "I am concerned that if we confirm this nominee it will further erode the checks and balances" between the branches of government.

Venerable Bede

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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2006, 06:34:00 pm »
shhhh. . you're gonna make alito's wife cry. . .again, you bully.   :)
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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2006, 12:37:00 am »
Here's the problem....our King, currently (and in his own mind), is G.W.  Who do the Senate Dems think he's going to come up with if Alito fails?  Won't be anyone any better.  Harriet Miers went down in flames because she was not qualified to hold that seat (she's qualified for many things, but not a Supreme Court seat -- hell, in the end we may have been better off with the decisions she'd have made).  Alito may be a monarchy loyalist, but he's smart and qualified (alas).  The Dems need to learn some lessons and move on, get to a place where they are being proactive and defining solutions, not reacting again and again to the Reps movements.

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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2006, 02:16:00 am »
I thought this was going to be about The OC.
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Sage 703

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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2006, 10:53:00 am »
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Originally posted by Bags:
  Here's the problem....our King, currently (and in his own mind), is G.W.  Who do the Senate Dems think he's going to come up with if Alito fails?  Won't be anyone any better.  Harriet Miers went down in flames because she was not qualified to hold that seat (she's qualified for many things, but not a Supreme Court seat -- hell, in the end we may have been better off with the decisions she'd have made).  Alito may be a monarchy loyalist, but he's smart and qualified (alas).  The Dems need to learn some lessons and move on, get to a place where they are being proactive and defining solutions, not reacting again and again to the Reps movements.
I don't think I agree with this at all.  I think ultimately, the Democrats need to pick an issue where they are willing to stand and actually risk losing.  To date, they have simply curbed their arguments or met the Republicans somewhere on the right side of the fence.  Yes, they are the minority, but at what point are they actually going to use their voice to make a stand?
 
 While I might agree that its a lost cause at this point, I think it is important that the Democrats use the voice that they're given.  Obviously most of the Democrats oppose Alito.  And if they are able to muster the strength to even realistically threaten a filibuster, it would force the Bush administration to realize that the Democrats still have some political muscle.  Which - in the unlikely event that a filibuster is successful - would probably impact whoever would be nominated in Alito's wake.
 
 Again, I don't think its likely that this filibuster happens.  But the fact that somebody was willing to mention it, and attempt it - I think that's a victory for the Democrats.  It shows that they are actually willing to do something about the things that they say.

Venerable Bede

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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2006, 11:09:00 am »
i'm sure most republicans "opposed" ruth bader ginsburg for the supreme court in 1993, but it didn't stop her from being confirmed 96-3.
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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2006, 11:25:00 am »
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i'm sure most republicans "opposed" ruth bader ginsburg for the supreme court in 1993, but it didn't stop her from being confirmed 96-3.
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 Democrats also pointed out that Republican senator Orrin Hatch had recommended Ginsburg to then-President Clinton, which suggested Clinton worked in a bipartisan manner. Hatch rebuts saying that that he had not "recommended" her but suggested to Clinton she might be a candidate that would not receive great opposition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg#.22Ginsburg_Precedent.22

Bags

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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2006, 12:35:00 pm »
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  I think ultimately, the Democrats need to pick an issue where they are willing to stand and actually risk losing.  To date, they have simply curbed their arguments or met the Republicans somewhere on the right side of the fence.  Yes, they are the minority, but at what point are they actually going to use their voice to make a stand?
 
I agree completely with the premise, but I don't think a filibuster on this nominee makes any sense at all.  It's the wrong place to take a stand (a stand which badly needs to be taken, granted), and I think continues to paint them as a party simply of opposition.

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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2006, 12:48:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Bags:
   
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Originally posted by callat703:
  I think ultimately, the Democrats need to pick an issue where they are willing to stand and actually risk losing.  To date, they have simply curbed their arguments or met the Republicans somewhere on the right side of the fence.  Yes, they are the minority, but at what point are they actually going to use their voice to make a stand?
 
I agree completely with the premise, but I don't think a filibuster on this nominee makes any sense at all.  It's the wrong place to take a stand (a stand which badly needs to be taken, granted), and I think continues to paint them as a party simply of opposition. [/b]
You may be right about this; the problem is that there is a fundamental lack of Democratic leadership; and we've waited so long at this point for the Dems to stand on anything...that I think I take them making this effort (albeit, unlikely to succeed) as laudable.  Maybe it will help them to stand up on other issues as well.

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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2006, 12:51:00 pm »
wheres Rob Gee to make fun of democrats and say "support the troops"
 
 man, i was looking fwd to his comments...

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Re: go Johnny go!!
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2006, 04:11:00 pm »
Best I have is....Kerry will lose again   ;)  
 
 Hillary is 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!