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chaz

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CP Cover
« on: October 17, 2003, 11:21:00 am »
So who has read this week's CP cover story?
 
 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/cover/cover.html

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2003, 11:46:00 am »
Good article.  
 
 The author is prone to hyperbole, but he brings up some very valid points.

ratioci nation

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Re: CP Cover
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2003, 11:51:00 am »
Enjoyed the article, but he did not really explore the local music scene much, of the local bands I enjoy/enjoyed the most, none of them are overly earnest - Dead Meadow, Dismemberment Plan, Metropolitan and Washington Social Club.

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2003, 11:52:00 am »
i thought it was a brilliant article.........
 
 i don't really know to much about fugazi but i do know i agree with everything the writer was saying about the dc music scene..........
 
 plus  Ian MacKaye sounds like a knob...........

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2003, 11:55:00 am »
oh yeah i forgot about metropolitan.............they are aight

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2003, 01:16:00 pm »
Interesting proposition, really.
 
 I wonder what the Fugazi influence really is; only of late have I tried to explore local music.  So far, so good, I've found a couple bands I really like, but certainly it's not an ovelry fertile landscape (but I'm not doing a very good job of ferreting out the local scene; of course, what does that mean that if I'm trying to but not finding it easily).  And it's true, our indie crowds are not very emotional or energetic at shows (the typical stance is feet firmly on the ground, arms crossed, intent look on face), though I do think some of that is an indie audience thing generally. But I wonder about the subconscious influence of DC's local music heritage.  It's a good question to ask, and then we can be part of the revolt!  
 
 Bands I've discovered and always try to catch are Washington Social Club, the Carlsonics and the Nighties.
 
 Bands I keep hearing about and plan to check out are Metropolitan, Phaser, Canyon, and The Putouts.  Superchunk goers this weekend may want to try to catch out Army of Me, and Mates of States are opening for Death Cab for Cutie on Monday, Oct. 20.
 
 Part of my problem getting into the local scene may in fact be that there are pleny of national/regional acts coming through town that I want to see, so I'm not often hunting around for a show...

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Re: CP Cover
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2003, 01:20:00 pm »
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  Interesting proposition, really.
 
 I wonder what the Fugazi influence really is; only of late have I tried to explore local music.  So far, so good, I've found a couple bands I really like, but certainly it's not an ovelry fertile landscape (but I'm not doing a very good job of ferreting out the local scene; of course, what does that mean that if I'm trying to but not finding it easily).  And it's true, our indie crowds are not very emotional or energetic at shows (the typical stance is feet firmly on the ground, arms crossed, intent look on face), though I do think some of that is an indie audience thing generally. But I wonder about the subconscious influence of DC's local music heritage.  It's a good question to ask, and then we can be part of the revolt!  
 
 Bands I've discovered and always try to catch are Washington Social Club, the Carlsonics and the Nighties.
 
 Bands I keep hearing about and plan to check out are Metropolitan, Phaser, Canyon, and The Putouts.  Superchunk goers this weekend may want to try to catch out Army of Me, and Mates of States are opening for Death Cab for Cutie on Monday, Oct. 20.
 
 Part of my problem getting into the local scene may in fact be that there are pleny of national/regional acts coming through town that I want to see, so I'm not often hunting around for a show...
mates of state aren't local

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Re: CP Cover
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2003, 01:46:00 pm »
thanks...confused them with someone else.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2003, 10:20:00 am »
Interesting, the reaction was much more mixed on the City Paper board linked to the article with some people taking it very personally.
 
 And then there's the  dood on my board who claims he was there for one of the infamous Ian MacKaye beer-slappings mentioned in the article ....
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2003, 11:22:00 pm »
From the author:
 
 "Old?? Old?? Ok, so I'm old, but I'll be damned if I miss the Velvet Underground! I miss Mott the Hoople. As for my article, I stand by all of it, except the parts I didn't mean, and the parts where I knew I didn't have a leg to stand on, and the parts where, looking back on them now, I might have been a little meaner than I needed to be. Look. I've loved a lot of rock, punk, post-punk--whatever the fuck you want to call them--bands in my time, and not one of them has come from DC. All I was trying to do in my article was take an irreverent look at the reasons why. Maybe it's all the politics. Or all the rich kids. Or maybe it has something to do with the influence of Fugazi who, whatever else you want to say about them, are hardly what I'd call a chuckle a minute. More like a chuckle a century. If you don't like your rock with chuckles, that's your prerogative. Even a frivolous old man like me has to admit to liking a few totally humorless bands. (And if one more person, Jem fucking Cohen included, tells me Instrument is "funny," I'm gonna blow a gasket. It's not funny. It's arty. So arty it makes me wanna puke.) But I'm wandering. Must be the Alzheimers. Or the crack. Cheers, Mike
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2003, 12:12:00 am »
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 I wonder what the Fugazi influence really is; only of late have I tried to explore local music.  So far, so good, I've found a couple bands I really like, but certainly it's not an ovelry fertile landscape
 
hmmm...I don't think I can agree.  It's been my experience that DC has two scenes: Dischord-based punk/post-punk, and everything else.  I can agree with you that "everything else" can seem rather stagnant at times...but I think DC's post-punk scene rivals any city in the nation.  See, the thing about Dischord is that their business plan has worked for 20 years.  Does anyone really want to pay more than $5 a show or $10 a record?  Frankly, Ian is a living legend as much for his admirable business ethics as for his music.  That being said, I've had the chance to meet him once, and found him to be pretty intense in person...not really the kind of guy you want to hang out with on a saturday night.  but that's ok...I don't need him to be my friend, as long as he keeps on doing what he's doing.  He's managed to keep a hold of his morals while providing dozens of wonderful bands with the opportunity to tour, record and distribute their records.  What's so bad about that?
 
 And musically speaking, Dischord is home to some amazing music.  Obviously, Fugazi (along with Nation of Ulysseys) deserve to go down as two of the greatest post-punk bands of all time.  But the current scene (much of it fostered directly or indirectly by Ian and Dischord) has a plethora of excellent bands:  Q and Not U, Black Eyes, French Toast, El Guapo, Antelope, Lungfish...the list goes on.  And it's not as though all of these bands are fronted by wheatgrass munching monks...Many of these musicians (along with me) have no problem with sex and drugs in our rock and roll...
 
 all the same, it seems to me that one of the defining characteristics of the DC punk scene is its intelligence.  Does it really make sense to argue that as a rebellious young man I should feel betrayed by a music scene that has more than just hedonism on its mind?

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2003, 12:35:00 pm »
As an FYI, I fully admire Ian for what he's done for local music.  It's similar to my impressions of Sonic Youth.  While they're not my favorite band to listen to around my apt, they go out of their way to foster and mentor other bands, and that's about as great as you get in the music biz.  Spread the love and the opportunities.
 
 On just a musical level, I was wondering about Fugazi.  I certainly admire them; they do seem a bit austere, but the whole scene doesn't seem so.
 
 
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 I wonder what the Fugazi influence really is; only of late have I tried to explore local music.  So far, so good, I've found a couple bands I really like, but certainly it's not an ovelry fertile landscape
 
...I don't need him to be my friend, as long as he keeps on doing what he's doing.  He's managed to keep a hold of his morals while providing dozens of wonderful bands with the opportunity to tour, record and distribute their records.  What's so bad about that?
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2003, 01:47:00 pm »
Interesting article, but I think his conclusion -- that Fugazi's period of influence is waning -- is pretty much the case. I have great hopes for Washington Social Club (one of the best live shows I've seen this year) and Canyon (one of the best discs I've heard this year), and I hope that more follow them onto the stage. Like my band, fr'instance.
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Re: CP Cover
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2003, 02:02:00 pm »
I'll bite, what's your band?

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2003, 02:15:00 pm »
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  I'll bite, what's your band?
N'sync?