parking @ 9:30

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
  do you honestly think that what i said previously about the ignorance many people have who grow up in lily-white rural or suburban areas (including myself) towards urban environments is without merit? i'm not certainly not a sociologist, but i would venture to guess that surveys/studies have been done on this.

I think that neither you nor Chimbley lived here in the late-eighties.
 
 I'm old enough to remember when 14th street NW was a synonym for "crime."  I'm old enough to recall when the streets off 14th and above U were crack central.  They dropped a "mobile precinct" just a few blocks from where the club is today to deal with the violent crime.  
   
 When I hear someone say that the area around 9:30 is unsafe, my instinct tells me that they just haven't been down there in many years. [/b]

fair enough ... i agree with you, people may just be stuck in how they perceived the city in the 80s and that would really just make them ignorant to the situation as it exists today (and for the last 5 years or so)
 
 one of my jobs in college was to call g'town alumn and raise money (god, that sucked) ... whenever we called law school alumns from the 80s we'd never get shit and usually hear a mouthful about how their experience down by union station in those years was harrowing

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
   If you have your head up, listen, watch shadows, and are smart, most of dc is just fine to walk in at night.  I'm a white girl and i do it all the time-- even in Anacostia.

You say "most", so you must think somewhere is unsafe.  Where do you consider to be unsafe?

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
 To be honest, I wouldn't walk in ANY DC neighbourhood during nighttime.

really? that's sad.
 
 

Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
 One of the guys who told me to not spend too much time outside the 9:30 neighbourhood was black. One time I was walking from a concert to get to my car - almost just across the street and then he was coming and he told me that I must have lost my mind to walk through this area. He said that I really not seem to know what is going on there. So I just transferred his words to you.

homesick -- sorry to inject all this other stuff into this, my thoughts largely weren't specific to your situation ... that said, i personally think your friend was overreacting

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
  homesick, you've been told this by people who are afraid of urban environments where black people hang out

i should have started this with more general statements rather than assuming how your situation was, sorry homesick

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 I think that neither you nor Chimbley lived here in the late-eighties.
 
 I'm old enough to remember when 14th street NW was a synonym for "crime."  I'm old enough to recall when the streets off 14th and above U were crack central.  They dropped a "mobile precinct" just a few blocks from where the club is today to deal with the violent crime.  
   
 When I hear someone say that the area around 9:30 is unsafe, my instinct tells me that they just haven't been down there in many years.

i was talking about this last week with a friend who left here several years ago, I arrived here in 1994, and even then the area around logan circle and 14th and Massachusetts were way different than  they are now, people coming to visit would marvel at how many prostitutes were walking around there when driving by on Mass Ave (yes DRIVING, not frequenting    )
 
 and for the longest time i was told to stay west of 16th when in Mount Pleasant and Adams Morgan, the city has changed a lot in the 10 years I have been here, so I guess in short, I would agree with  GGW in a lot of cases, one of the reasons I will probably end up leaving dc eventually is that I think a lot of the changes are for the worse, but that is a whole other conversation

[Bags]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  The Third District also covers some relatively toney neighborhoods.

I did a comparison of zip codes 20009 and 20008 when I was looking at a condo in Columbia Heights.  The stats for 20008 (Kalorama, Woodley Park, Cleveland Park, Van Ness) were WAY worse than 20009 (East Dupont, Adams Morgan, Columbia Heights).  Made little sense, actually, because the 20008 numbers were so high!
 
 By the way, I would not walk by myself at night more than a block or two off of U Street (could be a chick thing, and it depends on which blocks, really...).  And there's no problem walking to and from the club because it's close to U and there are always a lot of people around when I'm arriving/leaving.  While I agree there are no worries going to and leaving a show, it isn't insane for someone to advise against walking the neighborhood at night...

[HomesickAlien]

I am not originally from D.C. so I do not know how safe or unsafe it is in here. I just know that I don't want to test it, so I rather stay away from walking during nighttime! That is all, it has nothing to do with neighbourhoods or black and white.

[Venerable Bede]

although i didn't get here until 97, i definately wouldn't walk around logan circle, mt. vernon, u street or even parts of capitol hill at night back then. . .having said that, i walked from rfk to eastern market, and back to my house near union station last night.  you should be able to walk u street from adams morgan to 930 with little to no problems though.

[twangirl]

I've lived in DC for 12 years, in the surrounding MD suburbs my whole life before that and I've worked in the city since 1984. I've been mugged 4 times in my life, twice in the MD suburbs and twice in DC. I was jumped and beaten outside of One Flight Up in Tenleytown in 1984, and robbed at gunpoint by crackheads in Georgetown in 1990, which was the last time I was mugged. Since someone brought race into the discussion, for the record 2 of the attacks were perpetrated by white people, 2 of them were by black people.
 
 I'm with you Alien, I don't walk around in any neighborhood in the city alone late at night, and I don't need Chimbly or anybody else feeling "bad" for me because of it. I don't see the point in taking unnecessary chances and I'd really rather not get mugged ever again in this or any city.
  I do whatever I feel I need to do to feel safe at home and on the road, which may or may not be what others feel comfortable with, and you should too.
 
 This neighborhood has changed a lot for the better since we relocated here in 1996, and I think we've certainly had something to do with that. But things can happen in any urban area, in any city, so it's best not to leave anything visible inside your car and don't carry credit cards or other valuables with you that you don't need. And don't load a bunch of stuff into the trunk after parking your car in any urban area, you never know who might be watching.
 FYI if you are at the 9:30 Club solo and really don't feel comfortable walking out to your car alone, ask one of the door staph, they will help you out. And as someone has already mentioned, usually everyone is leaving here at once anyway so there's plenty of other people walking to the Metro and the surrounding parking areas.  
 
 

Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
  Well, I am neither from Fredericksburg nor am I a "him". I am a girl and I live near Cleveland Park. To be honest, I wouldn't walk in ANY DC neighbourhood during nighttime. It has nothing to do with racism. One of the guys who told me to not spend too much time outside the 9:30 neighbourhood was black. One time I was walking from a concert to get to my car - almost just across the street and then he was coming and he told me that I must have lost my mind to walk through this area. He said that I really not seem to know what is going on there. So I just transferred his words to you.

[sonickteam2]

uh oh, i am going to the 930 club tonight to see a black performer.....do you think that will raise or lower my chances of being mugged outside?

[Frank Gallagher]

Originally posted by sonickteam3:
  uh oh, i am going to the 930 club tonight to see a black performer.....do you think that will raise or lower my chances of being mugged outside?

You're pretty fly.......for a white guy!
 
 Whatever you do though, do NOT refer to the darkies as "my brotha" or "my *igga", that's strictly their thing.
   

[jkeisenh]

Originally posted by twangirl:
   
 I'm with you Alien, I don't walk around in any neighborhood in the city alone late at night, and I don't need Chimbly or anybody else feeling "bad" for me because of it. I don't see the point in taking unnecessary chances and I'd really rather not get mugged ever again in this or any city.

I'm just saying it must feel terrible to not feel limited as to where you can go when.  It's almost like in the Victorian era when there were "women's spaces" in public but women weren't allowed elsewhere.  I would be very frustrated if I limited where I could walk at night.  So I don't.