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vansmack

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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2007, 03:17:00 pm »
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
  My point is that I believe he has the power to look at this specific situation and act in a way that I believe would have been in the best interest of everyone concerned, and that would have been to do whatever was necessary (ie convene the rules committee, etc). get this "right."  
Actually, this is the one thing I think Hoya got right.  Nothing gives Stern that power and he can't do it (they're already under enough scrutiny for bias/racism as it is).  If the blame falls on NBA brass, it's for not fixing this a long time ago before it got to this point.  This rule has been dumb for years.
 
 The one certain thing I think comes from this is that it's no longer possible to wonder why people stopped watching the NBA.
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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2007, 03:24:00 pm »
People all stopped watching the NBA because soccer was so much more exciting.
 
 
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
  My point is that I believe he has the power to look at this specific situation and act in a way that I believe would have been in the best interest of everyone concerned, and that would have been to do whatever was necessary (ie convene the rules committee, etc). get this "right."  
Actually, this is the one thing I think Hoya got right.  Nothing gives Stern that power and he can't do it (they're already under enough scrutiny for bias/racism as it is).  If the blame falls on NBA brass, it's for not fixing this a long time ago before it got to this point.  This rule has been dumb for years.
 
 The one certain thing I think comes from this is that it's no longer possible to wonder why people stopped watching the NBA. [/b]

bnyced0

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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2007, 03:33:00 pm »
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
  My point is that I believe he has the power to look at this specific situation and act in a way that I believe would have been in the best interest of everyone concerned, and that would have been to do whatever was necessary (ie convene the rules committee, etc). get this "right."  
Actually, this is the one thing I think Hoya got right.  Nothing gives Stern that power and he can't do it (they're already under enough scrutiny for bias/racism as it is).  If the blame falls on NBA brass, it's for not fixing this a long time ago before it got to this point.  This rule has been dumb for years.
 
 The one certain thing I think comes from this is that it's no longer possible to wonder why people stopped watching the NBA. [/b]
What I mean by power, is that he has the ability to TRY to do whatever is necessary to make this right, no he probably doesn't have the authority but I think he has the obiligation to try to do the right thing.  These are number rules, and he the phuckin commissioner if you're saying that he can't raise a subject, discuss it, and try to make a change, you know what I really don't phuckin care enough to carry on.  If you believe his position is written, and defined to the point where he has no effect on any policy, then that's fine I view leadership differently.

vansmack

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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2007, 04:35:00 pm »
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
  if you're saying that he can't raise a subject, discuss it, and try to make a change, you know what I really don't phuckin care enough to carry on.  If you believe his position is written, and defined to the point where he has no effect on any policy, then that's fine I view leadership differently.
I'm not sure you're clear on who's really in charge of the NBA or what the definition of a Commissioner is.  He answers to 30 owners, not the 19 fans the NBA has left.
 
 You can view leadership anyway you'd like, but in this case, like any other professional sports league, you're dealing with an Oligarchy, and these owners don't like to give up much power, so they appoint a Commissioner, who's main job is to handle disputes between owners and follow the rules they set for him.  They've been very careful to not allow the commissioner to be too powerful, and that's what's happening here.
 
 They're not in it for the benefit of the fans, they're out to make money.  You can think Stern is the weakest person on the planet when it comes to basketball, and you're probably right, but he's weak because the owners make him weak, so that's where you should direct your anger.
 
 Honestly, if he decided to change the rule in this case for the good of the game, like we'd all like to see, who do you think the first person to call the Commissioners office would be?  Peter Holt, because he'd stand to lose millions if his team weren't to move on to the next round because of an unwarranted decision by the Commissioner.
 
 The Commissioner has the power to change the rule, but he has to do so at the next owners meeting - that's how the owners set it up.  And that's where your blame and anger should be.
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godsshoeshine

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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2007, 04:47:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  People all stopped watching the NBA because soccer was so much more exciting.
 
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
  My point is that I believe he has the power to look at this specific situation and act in a way that I believe would have been in the best interest of everyone concerned, and that would have been to do whatever was necessary (ie convene the rules committee, etc). get this "right."  
Actually, this is the one thing I think Hoya got right.  Nothing gives Stern that power and he can't do it (they're already under enough scrutiny for bias/racism as it is).  If the blame falls on NBA brass, it's for not fixing this a long time ago before it got to this point.  This rule has been dumb for years.
 
 The one certain thing I think comes from this is that it's no longer possible to wonder why people stopped watching the NBA. [/b]
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no one is going to watch the epl next year after the fa didnt dock west ham points for using illegal argentines
 
 oh wait
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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2007, 04:52:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  See, this is where you're not getting it. Turning a sporting event into a law school classroom.
great argument, rhett ... if hours and hours of sports radio time are going to be devoted to this subject, we might as well spend such time discussing the issue rationally ... what would you prefer, just just screaming about how the suns got screwed?
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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2007, 04:55:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  See, this is where you're not getting it. Turning a sporting event into a law school classroom.
 
only in DC  :roll:

Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2007, 05:00:00 pm »
What bnyced0 said.
 
  QUOTE]Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
   
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  See, this is where you're not getting it. Turning a sporting event into a law school classroom.
great argument, rhett ... if hours and hours of sports radio time are going to be devoted to this subject, we might as well spend such time discussing the issue rationally ... what would you prefer, just just screaming about how the suns got screwed? [/b][/QUOTE]

vansmack

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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2007, 05:07:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  People all stopped watching the NBA because soccer was so much more exciting.
 
 
That's probably not why, but the World Cup average was a 2.6 Rating in 2006, about the same as what the NBA playoffs are currently at, and there's no way a Game 7 Final of any of the remaining NBA teams comes anywhere near the 7.0 Rating the World Cup Final received.
 
 And they say Americans hate soccer.  I say Americans hate the NBA.  They're pretty equal in flopping these days.
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HoyaSaxa03

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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2007, 06:51:00 pm »
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
 Are we talking past one another here?
yes, I definitely think we are ... all I was trying to say is that:
 
 a) Stern had no other choice
 b) The "spirit of the rule" (to deter fighting by punishing bench-leavers during altercations regardless of the context) WAS followed
 
 the NBA obviously thought about all of these scenarios when implementing the rule and implicitly said that they value this rule and its deterrence of fighting more than any "unfair" consequences that it may wreak.
 
 is the outcome wrong and unfair?  of course, but people complaining about this don't seem to understand that you can HATE this decision but still say it was the right thing to do ... so you can argue about (1) why you think it was unfair and (2) that stern should have acted differently, but it's too easy and convenient to mix these two arguments
 
 the owners will obviously change the rule in the offseason, but as of now all Stern could do was enforce what was in front of him.
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HoyaSaxa03

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Re: The NBA debacle
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2007, 06:54:00 pm »
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 only in DC   :roll:  
you mean, "only where serious people actually discuss these kind of things  :roll: "
 
 what do you think the process of coming to this conclusion at the league HQ in NYC sounded like?  like a sober discussion about the situation, or like two idiots screaming on talk radio?
 
 honestly, what would you prefer?  should people not talk like this about sports?
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