Author Topic: A danger to the world!!!  (Read 12444 times)

markie

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mankie

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2003, 02:12:00 pm »
Three words.
 
 EMPIRE STATE BUILDING

ggw

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2003, 02:32:00 pm »
Blah, blah, blah.
 
 The hard facts are that nobody is really in denial.  Nobody talks a lot about it, but there is a sizable segment of the population that truly believes it is up to the US to put the world in order (I'm not saying I'm a member of that segment).
 
 The Cold War was easy -- You were with us or you were with the Soviet bloc.  Then the USSR fell and everything got compliclated.  You had a multipolar world with various groups vying for multiple interests beyond the simplicity of communism vs capitalist-democracy.  And all these groups were rapidly gaining the ability to have far-reaching effects due to WMD and increased economic integration.
 
 Various extremist factions have flourished in the vacuum left by the end of the Cold War and, even before 9/11, some quarters of American political culture were calling for a hard-nosed approach to addressing the nascent threats of the world.  9/11 just served as an example of why they believe we need to do so.
 
 So rather than trotting out the idea that the US is an empire, as though this is some revelation, why doesn't the anti-imperialist movement address two things:
 
 1- Why shouldn't the US be an empire?
 2- Who is going to shape the post Cold War world.
 
 If they answered those questions rather than acting like they are Woodward and Bernstein when they announce that the US is using its role as the world's sole superpower to push its own agenda (SHOCKING!!!!), they might get a bit farther than they've gotten in fighting American imperialism.

markie

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2003, 03:10:00 pm »
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Originally posted by ggw:
 
 So rather than trotting out the idea that the US is an empire, as though this is some revelation, why doesn't the anti-imperialist movement address two things:
 
 1- Why shouldn't the US be an empire?
 2- Who is going to shape the post Cold War world.
 
 
But for there to be a treatment there has to be a diagnosis. It seems to have taken the rest of the world a long time to come round to the the fact that America is a lone superpower and can ride rough-shod over the earth.
 
 That wouldnt be so bad if  America was benign or benovolent, lately it is neither. I guess that would be an answer to number 1.
 
 I guess the answer to number two is what China and Europe and perhaps Russia has to ask themselves.  Personally the sooner the next cold war starts the better. Please bring an end to swingeing unilateralism.

mankie

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2003, 03:27:00 pm »
All empires fall sooner or later.
 
 I predict China will be the next empire to bully the earth after America falls.

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2003, 05:04:00 pm »
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  ALL HAIL THE MUNIFICENT< BENEVOLENT KING !

mankie

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2003, 05:19:00 pm »
Hey! That emperor has new clothes.
 
 (will somebody please teach him how to say "nuclear" for crying out loud...it must be embarrassing for you yankee-doodles to hear your king say "nuckula" all the time)

mankie

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2003, 05:55:00 pm »
The court jester!
 
 
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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2003, 09:13:00 pm »
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Originally posted by markie:
  But for there to be a treatment there has to be a diagnosis. It seems to have taken the rest of the world a long time to come round to the the fact that America is a lone superpower and can ride rough-shod over the earth.
 
 That wouldnt be so bad if  America was benign or benovolent, lately it is neither. I guess that would be an answer to number 1.
 
 I guess the answer to number two is what China and Europe and perhaps Russia has to ask themselves.  Personally the sooner the next cold war starts the better. Please bring an end to swingeing unilateralism.
Hey Markie, if you don't like it, fuck off and leave.  That's what the first people who settled here did and now they're nation is the dangerous one?  Go start your only colony and 200 years from now some snot nosed visitor will post some bitter old American Academic that claims that kingdom of Markieca is now in charge and doing it poorly, learning nothing from its predecessors.  High and mighty bitter yapping if you ask me.  Just like those before them.
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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2003, 09:22:00 am »
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mankie

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2003, 09:29:00 am »
Someone always has to be the bully and I would rather be bullied by Uncle Sam than China, 1940's Germany, the Romans or Stalin era soviet union.
 
 Count your blessings markie.....markieville, in the great state of Utahpia will never exist.

markie

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2003, 10:28:00 am »
do O have to remind you two what imperialism means?
 
 im·pe·ri·al·ism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (m-pîr--lzm)
 n.
 
 1.   The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.
 
 does that sound like a nice thing to happen?

mankie

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2003, 11:52:00 am »
I listened to a very interesting program yesterday. The Pentagon is seriously considering pulling US troops out of foriegn bases....Germany, S. Korea, Saudi Arabia and Japan to name a few, as they are no longer needed for the security of both the US and the country were these bases are. These are countries that are bitching about the yanks being there so FUCK EM! We'll take our troops and all the economic benefits that go along with it out of the place. Sounds like a plan to me! Poland seems to be an ideal place for a small base to use as a landing point should any country within striking distance start screaming for the big bad eagle to come rescue them.

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2003, 06:05:00 pm »
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Yank

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Re: A danger to the world!!!
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2003, 02:20:00 am »
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Originally posted by markie:
  do O have to remind you two what imperialism means?
 
 im·pe·ri·al·ism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (m-pîr--lzm)
 n.
 
 1.   The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.
 
 does that sound like a nice thing to happen?
Hummmmmmm?  Sounds like Great Britain of yore!  Do you think that most people in Scotland and Wales like to call themselves British?  You know what they say about people who live in glass houses.