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Venerable Bede

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2003, 12:37:00 pm »
this great. . .the study is based on giving beer to dogs.
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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2003, 12:54:00 pm »
animal studies/testing for medical purposes is done far more than most people know about.  In fact animals are indicated for testing as part of the FDA process for approval of new drugs, and devices use today

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2003, 01:00:00 pm »
no, i'm not passing judgement on health studies on animals. . .i just find it funny that they gave beer to dogs.
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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2003, 01:03:00 pm »
Just because they're tight lipped about such testing doesn't make it a good thing.
 
 
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  animal studies/testing for medical purposes is done far more than most people know about.  In fact animals are indicated for testing as part of the FDA process for approval of new drugs, and devices use today

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2003, 01:50:00 pm »
They use pitbulls for testing Guiness, for cosmetics they use poodles.

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2003, 02:01:00 pm »
does anybody else think they just made up the term, "Flavonoids?"
 
 tho i guess being noid of flavo would be a good thing.
 
 and a doctor Valentine Fuster?  c'mon...

igor

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2003, 03:53:00 pm »
using animals for this research was totally unnecessary. i don't think they would have had problems getting human volunteers for it.

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2003, 04:17:00 pm »
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Originally posted by igor:
  using animals for this research was totally unnecessary. i don't think they would have had problems getting human volunteers for it.
hell they could get all the volunteers they'd need from this board alone!!!   :D

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2003, 04:20:00 pm »
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/special/newdrug/begin.html
 
 Animal Testing
 
 In animal testing, Kuntzman says, drug companies make every effort to use as few animals as possible and to ensure their humane and proper care. Two or more species are typically tested, since a drug may affect one differently from another. Such tests show whether a potential drug has toxic side effects and what its safety is at different doses. The results "point the way for human testing and, much later, product labeling,'' Kuntzman says.
 
 So far, research has aimed at discovering what a drug does to the body. Now, it must also find out what the body does to the drug. So, in animal testing, scientists measure how much of a drug is absorbed into the blood, how it is broken down chemically in the body, the toxicity of its breakdown products (metabolites), and how quickly the drug and its metabolites are excreted from the body. Sometimes such tests find a metabolite that is more effective than the drug originally picked for development.
 
 Of particular concern is how much of the drug is absorbed into the blood. "If a drug's active ingredients don't get into the blood,'' Kuntzman says, ''it won't work.'' Scientists may add other chemicals to the drug to help the body absorb it or, on the other side, to prevent it from being broken down and excreted too soon. Such changes in the drug's structure mean even more testing.
 
 Absorption rates can cause a host of problems. For example, for a certain drug to be effective, 75 percent of it may need to reach the bloodstream. But absorption rates can vary among individuals from, say, 10 to 80 percent. So, the drug must be able to produce the desired effects in those who absorb only 10 percent, but not cause intolerable side effects in people who absorb 80 percent.
 
 ''If we can improve the absorption rate we can reduce the variation in what real dosages people would be subject to,'' Kuntzman says. A more standard absorption rate for all individuals, say around 75 to 80 percent, would mean that the dose could be reduced and still have the desired effects.
 
 
 As for testing on humans- sure you wouldn't have difficulty finding volunteers Thatguy and I would be more than willing participants in the trial- but there are structured and specific guidelines that need to be met- it isn't feasible to test on humans (particularly in this case)- it's an extremely complex, and expensive testing process-

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2003, 04:27:00 pm »
apparently chocolate is good too
 
 The results showed that cocoa flavanoids might be used to modulate vascular inflammatory processes. In the human trial, about 40 healthy men and women aged between 25 and 45 were given 1 of 4 beverages. Ault noted that one was a flavanoid-rich beverage made from 1 tablespoon of a flavanoid-enriched cocoa powder and water. Patients' blood was taken at baseline, and at 2 and 6 hours after consumption. She wrote "in the 10 or so patients who received the cocoa drink, epinephrine- or ADP-stimulated expression of fibrinogen-binding glycoprotein IIb-IIIa was diminished compared with baseline," according to lead author Dr Carl Keen (University of California at Davis). The cocoa drink also seemed to decrease platelet microparticle formation and inhibit primary hemostasis, she noted.
 
 Overall, cocoa's effect on platelets appears to be similar to that seen with aspirin, said Keen, adding that "the effects we are seeing are not as robust as those seen with aspirin." He said the data "suggest to me that chocolate can be part of a healthy diet," and that eating chocolate could not be harmful, even though it contains saturated fat and lots of calories. Ault reported that Dr Harold Schmitz, a Mars scientist who conducted one of the trials, said that armed with more positive data, Mars Inc would likely seek a health claim for chocolate from the FDA in 2 to 5 years. PR Newswire noted that earlier in vitro studies have also suggested that polyphenols found in chocolate may decrease LDL oxidation and modulate platelet activity, and earlier epidemiological studies have associated consumption of chocolate with improved cardiovascular health.

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2003, 09:27:00 pm »
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Originally posted by chills:
  does anybody else think they just made up the term, "Flavonoids?"
 
 tho i guess being noid of flavo would be a good thing.
 
 and a doctor Valentine Fuster?  c'mon...
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 avoid the noid, yo

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2003, 12:37:00 pm »
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Originally posted by igor:
  using animals for this research was totally unnecessary. i don't think they would have had problems getting human volunteers for it.
hell they could get all the volunteers they'd need from this board alone!!!    :D  [/b]
That's quite the appropriate emoticon for Paige.

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Re: Even more reason to drink GUINNESS!
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2003, 04:44:00 pm »
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  That's quite the appropriate emoticon for Paige.
'Tis, Cap'n. I have Lotsateeth.