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Jaguär

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Re: Billy Idol and DiscLive
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2003, 04:30:00 pm »
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  And I agree, $15 makes sense and feels like a much better price.
Depends on the amount of recorded time per disc too. It's much easier to argue over the cost of a single disc and average length show but the concert disc should be a little less money than a studio disc.
 
 The technology may be new but you know with tech stuff, it will go down in price and a few shows will pay for the equipement that will be used over and over. Don't know about how difficult it is to use, hence the skills required for the techies. Hopefully, it's the artists who get the bulk of the change. Clear Crap and the others won't like that and I'm sure will work up some scam to screw them over in time. Would be best in everyone's interest if the company allows for online and mail order after show archieved purchases. I know that's a whole other ball of wax involving other issues.
 
 Bottom line, it has to be priced low enough to get a decent percentage of people to actually make the decision that night to stop and plob down more money vs those who make the frugal (and NOT necessarily cheap) decision to walk away.
 
 Sure, I'd love to have a disc from the night of a good show that I've just seen, but I'd love to have a do lots of things that I can't afford. Financial decisions have to be made and sometimes a lot of things nixed off of my want list. And why the heck would I be easily be willing to spend $15 for a disc when I can now get a Universal studio disc for $9-$12?
 
 Just out of curiosity, did you notice if they were set up for credit card purchases? I know merch stands usually can't do that. That will often make or break a sale.
 
 And who the heck thinks that movie theatre popcorn is reasonably priced!?    :eek:   Yeah, we all know the reasons why it's so expensive but even the rich make jokes about how expensive it is, which is a form of complaint. And there are many others who refuse to buy it for that very reason.

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Re: Billy Idol and DiscLive
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2003, 04:41:00 pm »
disc live facts:
 
 *they were set up for credit card sales.
 *they were selling a two disc set with artwork, not just a plain cdr.
 *their contract (with idol, at least) allows them to burn 1000 copies of each show.  anything not sold at the venue will be available either individually or as a part of a box set on their website.

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Re: Billy Idol and DiscLive
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2003, 04:49:00 pm »
DiscLive was set up for credit card purchase...thats how i got my CD. and the show was 2 hours almost exactly.  but just like a Tshirt or any other overpriced souvenier, you buy it for nostalgia and that makes the value of almost anything go up.  
   I dont see them really lowering the prices but doing it at more shows is more likely to happen sooner...but dont expect the "young crowd" bands to do it for a while.
   Also, www.disclive.com is the site and you CAN buy the CD online, quantities permitting i assume.
 
    I wont be buying a CD everytime i get a chance, but if its someone really cool...maybe I'll have 2 less drinks at the show!

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Re: Billy Idol and DiscLive
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2003, 04:51:00 pm »
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  disc live facts:
 
 *they were set up for credit card sales.
 *they were selling a two disc set with artwork, not just a plain cdr.
 *their contract (with idol, at least) allows them to burn 1000 copies of each show.  anything not sold at the venue will be available either individually or as a part of a box set on their website.
guess i am a slow typer....thanks!
 
  oh, and BTW....the cd was in VERY nice packaging indeed.  Nothing short of what you would buy in the store, sans the tracklisting (obviously) and maybe a cute picture book, but who the hell needs those anyway.

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Re: Billy Idol and DiscLive
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2003, 04:52:00 pm »
LOS ANGELES‚??They'll probably never replace T-shirts, but live CDs are starting to make headway as the new concert souvenir.
 
 Throughout this event-heavy summer, live concerts are being recorded onto discs and sold shortly after the performances. Post-concert CDs are typically two- or three-disc sets that sell for about $20 each.
 
 Few major acts have agreed to participate in this new concert merchandising segment, and most of the activity is taking place at small venues. Revenue has been modest.
 
 Still, two high-profile concert-CD startup companies ‚?? DiscLive and Instant Live ‚?? believe they can eventually win the faith of the industry's biggest names.
 
 "It's clearly going to take some time for this to be a widely accepted format," says Steve Simon, executive VP of music for Clear Channel Entertainment, which operates Instant Live.
 
 Instant Live is in the midst of its first big test, with a run of amphitheatre dates by the Allman Brothers Band.
 
 At the first show, an Aug. 3 performance at Meadows Music Center in Hartford, Conn., all 500 three-CD packages available sold for $22 apiece (U.S.) The buyers represented 10 per cent of the total crowd.
 
 DiscLive's opening salvo involved three June shows by Jefferson Starship. At those shows, the company sold a total of 225 CD bundles. That means 25 per cent of the 900 people in attendance bought the $25 CD sets, according to DiscLive founder Rich Isaacson, the former head of Loud Records.
 
 Since then, DiscLive has pacted with management firm 10th Street Entertainment, whose acts ‚?? including Hanson, Motley Crue, Yes and Meat Loaf ‚?? will likely use the company's services for future tours. Also, Billy Idol will sell DiscLive CDs at 10 of his shows in September.
 
 A number of less-publicized companies also report doing brisk business. These companies ‚?? including TheMusic.com and Kufala Recordings ‚?? typically take orders at the shows, then mail the finished discs.
 
 In the case of DiscLive and Instant Live, the CDs are available right after the show ends.
 
 Each business method has its advantages. The ability to deliver the CDs at the shows provides instant gratification for fans. Mail-order fulfillment allows time for the disc to be remastered, resulting in a higher-quality product.
 
 The concert CD industry was pioneered by Pearl Jam, which has offered fans CDs from dozens of its shows since 2000. Sony distributes them.
 
 Similarly, Phish, the String Cheese Incident and the Dead sell concert CDs to their legions of loyal fans. For the most part, these acts were motivated to sell live sets as an alternative to the bootlegs that proliferate after their shows.
 
 For Instant Live, DiscLive and their competitors, the challenge is to turn this demand into a legitimate business.
 
 But first, they must win the trust of artists and label executives, some of whom fear that concert CDs will cannibalize sales of traditional releases.
 
 The artists are also apprehensive about the quality of the recordings, because there is no chance to clean the discs that Instant Live and DiscLive offer.
 
 Dave Kaplan, booking agent at the Agency, says of his act The White Stripes, "They are a band that would be uncomfortable with their stuff getting out there without them being able to listen to it first."
 
 "It's really an accommodation to the fans by offering them the performances they attended," says Jordan Berliant, GM for 10th Street. "Even if the performances aren't perfect, it's a gesture of thanks."
 
 Berliant acknowledges that live albums could cannibalize studio sets, but he nevertheless thinks other acts should consider the appeal of concert CDs in expanding their audience base.
 
 For the initial Allman Brothers shows, only 500 CD bundles were produced to ensure delivery within 15 minutes after the concerts ended. Instant Live's eventual manufacturing goal is 1,500 units per show.
 
 Sound engineers for Instant Live and DiscLive record through a mixing board and burn final discs at 24 to 34 times real time, producing hundreds of discs in time for fans to buy them as they leave the venues.
 
 The overhead for such operations is substantial. According to sources, it would cost $300,000-$500,000 to record and replicate a typical tour.
 
 In addition to these expenses, merchandising fees generally have to be paid to the venues. Typically, the sites have asked for 10 per cent of revenue from CDs sold at concerts; in contrast, they usually take 25 per cent of T-shirt revenue.
 
 Reuters/Billboard