Smashing Pumpkins Debut At Number 2 On Billboard

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
  http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1565010/20070718/t_i_.jhtml
 
 144,800 copies sold.  30,000 behind the #1.  If only there had been a special Wal-Mart edition with an unreleased bonus track, a special Hot Topic edition with an unreleased bonus track and a special Amazon edition with an unreleased bonus track they may have been able to top T.I.
 
 Heck, Interpol sold 73,200 to come in at #4.
 
 You know what puts things into perspective?  The following:
 
 "in fact, Zeitgeist is the Pumpkins' worst performer, sales-wise, since 1993's Siamese Dream, which opened at #10 with 71,900 copies sold."
 
 Yes, that's right.  "Machina/The Machines of God" sold more than "Zeitgeist" did in it's first week of release.
 
 Brian

Before you make stupid points like this, compare record sales across the industry between 2006 and 2000, when Machina was released.  
 
 Figures won't be accurate for 2007 until the end of the year.

[RustyOrgan]

I think T.I. and all that other rap / hip hop should go back to Africa. There haven't been any good rap releases since Tupac!

[Frank Gallagher]

Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
  I think T.I. and all that other rap / hip hop should go back to Africa. There haven't been any good rap releases since Tupac!

dunno - emminem was pretty good.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
  I think T.I. and all that other rap / hip hop should go back to Africa.  

Go away.

[bnyced0]

Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
  I think T.I. and all that other rap / hip hop should go back to Africa. There haven't been any good rap releases since Tupac!

Excuse me? WTF?

[vansmack]

Originally posted by bnyced0:
  Excuse me? WTF?

Don't bite.

[bnyced0]

Originally posted by callat703:
   

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
   http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1565010/20070718/t_i_.jhtml  
 
 144,800 copies sold.  30,000 behind the #1.  If only there had been a special Wal-Mart edition with an unreleased bonus track, a special Hot Topic edition with an unreleased bonus track and a special Amazon edition with an unreleased bonus track they may have been able to top T.I.
 
 Heck, Interpol sold 73,200 to come in at #4.
 
 You know what puts things into perspective?  The following:
 
 "in fact, Zeitgeist is the Pumpkins' worst performer, sales-wise, since 1993's Siamese Dream, which opened at #10 with 71,900 copies sold."
 
 Yes, that's right.  "Machina/The Machines of God" sold more than "Zeitgeist" did in it's first week of release.
 
 Brian

Before you make stupid points like this, compare record sales across the industry between 2006 and 2000, when Machina was released.  
 
 Figures won't be accurate for 2007 until the end of the year. [/b]

More important than the figures, are the facts, and he's just wrong.  The only pumpkin album that's done better than Zeitgeist in it's first week is MCIS which debuted No. 1 in 1995, the 145K sold last week ties the previously 2nd best opening week by a SP album which was Adore in 1998.  I swore I'd stay away from Pumpkin threads for awhile but you guys just keep sucking me in, geezus.

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
  I think T.I. and all that other rap / hip hop should go back to Africa. There haven't been any good rap releases since Tupac!

You're a fuckin' waste of sperm.
 
 
 Plus you obviously don't get laid.  What's your purpose here?  
 
 Watch your mouth . . . . Now please go on with your otherwise meaningless life & keep your off-brand comments to yourself.
 
 And on top of that, hip-hop originated in The Bronx.  You worthless cuntmuscle . . .

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

I don't like rap at all but the racist expression REALLY is not the way to make your point.

[Brian_Wallace]

Originally posted by bnyced0:
   

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1565010/20070718/t_i_.jhtml  
 
 144,800 copies sold.  
 
 "in fact, Zeitgeist is the Pumpkins' worst performer, sales-wise, since 1993's Siamese Dream, which opened at #10 with 71,900 copies sold."
 Brian

More important than the figures, are the facts, and he's just wrong.  The only pumpkin album that's done better than Zeitgeist in it's first week is MCIS which debuted No. 1 in 1995, the 145K sold last week ties the previously 2nd best opening week by a SP album which was Adore in 1998.  [/b]

Now why would MTV lie about that?  Either you're wrong or MTV's wrong.
 
 Brian

[bnyced0]

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
       

Originally posted by bnyced0:
         

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
 Brian

More important than the figures, are the facts, and he's just wrong.  The only pumpkin album that's done better than Zeitgeist in it's first week is MCIS which debuted No. 1 in 1995, the 145K sold last week ties the previously 2nd best opening week by a SP album which was Adore in 1998.  [/b]

Now why would MTV lie about that?  Either you're wrong or MTV's wrong.
 
 Brian [/b]

Ummm, I'd put your money on me, MTV hasn't been relevant or "right" since Martha Quinn....is it still a lie if you're too stupid to know the truth?
 
 I'm not going to rehash the methodology, or get into a pissing contest over this but if you want to reassure yourself you can check out the RIAA databases and Billboard archives if you have access and free time on your hands, I'm sure an intern at MTV did a half assed job of it but what could you expect?

[vansmack]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   What's your purpose here?

The days of internet provocation are long gone.  Don't bite when someone posts something out of their own boredom that is clearly provocative.

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   What's your purpose here?

The days of internet provocation are long gone.  Don't bite when someone posts something out of their own boredom that is clearly provocative. [/b]

I feel you & all, but there's certain things I just will NOT let slide.  For lack of a more elequent phrasing, I simply don't play that shit.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  I feel you & all, but there's certain things I just will NOT let slide.  For lack of a more elequent phrasing, I simply don't play that shit.

Here's the thing - if he's serious, you're not going to change his mind, even after 1000 posts on a message board.  If it's a provocation, which on this board it is 99.9% of the time when it comes to race, you're simply getting yourself riled up over nothing.
 
 You're better off taking the "Go Away" approach.  And with any luck they'll either stop, or just go away.

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  Here's the thing - if it's true, you're not going to change his mind, even after 1000 posts on a message board.  If it's a provocation, which on this board it is 99.9% of the time when it comes to race, you're simply getting yourself riled up over nothing.
 
 You're better off taking the "Go Away" approach.  And with any luck they'll either stop, or just go away.

I could only wish.  But you're, as the hipsters say, spot on.    
 
 I've let it go.  Thanks for letting me vent on your leather couch.  Do you bill by the post or by the hour?   :p