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brennser

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« Reply #120 on: June 05, 2006, 10:51:00 am »
very funny......
 
 What Sven could learn from me
 
 http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/comment/story/0,,1790557,00.html
 
 Mark E Smith
 Monday June 5, 2006
 The Guardian
 
 Running the national football team is very much like running my group,
 the Fall. As a manager, you've got to maintain a certain detachment from
 your players, and it's the same with my musicians. When we're on tour, I
 sit at the back of the bus. We're friendly but the secret of it is never
 get too ally-pally. You can have a pint or two together now and again
 but you don't want to be going round their houses.
 
 You don't want people to get too comfortable, because if they do,
 there's no way they'll be on top of their game. It's not a job for life.
 I see the Fall being like a football team with a two- or three-year
 cycle. There's always going to be a period where I'll need a new
 centre-forward.
 
 I always like to keep a strong subs' bench of people who can step into
 the breach, cos you never know when you might need them in an emergency.
 [Smith is currently touring the US with pickup musicians, after a
 guitarist, drummer and bassist became the latest of around 50
 "ex-players" who have sadly and suddenly departed from the Fall.]
 
 You want a manager that's hard but not stupid. I met Manchester City
 manager Stuart Pearce on the transfer bus on the way to Amsterdam. He's
 a hard case. Some lads were going up to say hello, but he had this air
 of "That's all you're gonna get". I like Pearce but I couldn't stand
 Kevin Keegan. I saw him on telly once when City were playing Newcastle
 and he went up to the Newcastle fans, shaking their hands. The City
 players were looking at him, appalled. No surprise he never won a game
 against Newcastle or Liverpool.
 
 The way the England team is now is ridiculous. A team of superstars is
 like a supergroup. It's like picking the best guitarist in Britain, the
 best drummer and the best singer, and expecting them to produce
 something that isn't prog-rock mush. It doesn't work: this England team
 will never work at the highest level. I know that. See, Sir Alf Ramsey
 [who managed England's 1966 World Cup win] - people never liked him for
 it, but he'd always have the full-backs from the second division. He
 took players and moulded them, like I do with musicians. Gordon Banks,
 the goalkeeper, was from Stoke City, who were bottom of the first
 division. They'd conceded more goals that World Cup season than anybody
 else. But it works. You want a goalie who gets bloody shot at every
 week! You don't want the Arsenal or Spurs goalie or whoever in any
 national team, because he's never got anything to do! He might pull off
 the occasional beautiful save, but he's never gonna be any good against
 a gang of Poles or whoever who know full well they're going to face the
 firing squad if they don't score.
 
 Mind you, I shouldn't be talking about England. My wife's Greek, and
 when Greece won their first game in the [2004] European championships, I
 said, "Put a bet on now." We didn't put the bet on, but I know these
 things. Two of my mates put £500 on at 250-1. When Greece won the
 tournament the wife went crazy, absolutely mad. We even ran a Greek flag
 up in the front garden. We were very popular that week"
 
 · Mark E Smith was talking to Dave Simpson.

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Re: World Cup Footie Seedings
« Reply #121 on: June 05, 2006, 11:20:00 am »
June 4, 2006
 Surge in Racist Mood Raises Concerns on Eve of World Cup
 By JERE LONGMAN
 
 HAMBURG, Germany, June 3 ?? As he left the soccer field after a club match in the eastern German city of Halle on March 25, the Nigerian forward Adebowale Ogungbure was spit upon, jeered with racial remarks and mocked with monkey noises. In rebuke, he placed two fingers under his nose to simulate a Hitler mustache and thrust his arm in a Nazi salute.
 
 In April, the American defender Oguchi Onyewu, playing for his professional club team in Belgium, dismissively gestured toward fans who were making simian chants at him. Then, as he went to throw the ball inbounds, Onyewu said a fan of the opposing team reached over a barrier and punched him in the face.
 
 International soccer has been plagued for years by violence among fans, including racial incidents. But FIFA, soccer's Zurich-based world governing body, said there has been a recent surge in discriminatory behavior toward blacks by fans and other players, an escalation that has dovetailed with the signing of more players from Africa and Latin America by elite European clubs.
 
 This "deplorable trend," as FIFA has called it, now threatens to embarrass the sport on its grandest stage, the World Cup, which opens June 9 for a monthlong run in 12 cities around Germany. More than 30 billion cumulative television viewers are expected to watch part of the competition and Joseph S. Blatter, FIFA's president, has vowed to crack down on racist behavior during the tournament.
 
 Underlining FIFA's concerns, the issue has been included on the agenda at its biannual Congress, scheduled to be held this week in Munich. A campaign against bigotry includes "Say No to Racism" stadium banners, television commercials, and team captains making pregame speeches during the quarterfinals of the 32-team tournament.
 
 Players, coaches and officials have been threatened with sanctions. But FIFA has said it would not be practical to use the harshest penalties available to punish misbehaving fans ?? halting matches, holding games in empty stadiums and deducting points that teams receive for victories and ties.
 
 Players and antiracism experts said they expected offensive behavior during the tournament, including monkey-like chanting; derisive singing; the hanging of banners that reflect neofascist and racist beliefs; and perhaps the tossing of bananas or banana peels, all familiar occurrences during matches in Spain, Italy, eastern Germany and eastern Europe.
 
 "For us it's quite clear this is a reflection of underlying tensions that exist in European societies," said Piara Powar, director of the London-based antiracist soccer organization Kick It Out. He said of Eastern Europe: "Poverty, unemployment, is a problem. Indigenous people are looking for easy answers to blame. Often newcomers bear the brunt of the blame."
 
 Yet experts and players also said they believed the racist behavior would be more constrained at the World Cup than it was during play in various domestic leagues around Europe, because of increased security, the international makeup of the crowds, higher ticket prices and a sense that spectators would be generally well behaved on soccer's grandest stage.
 
 "We have to differentiate inside and outside the stadium," said Kurt Wachter, project coordinator for the Vienna-based Football Against Racism in Europe, a network of organizations that seeks to fight bigotry and xenophobia in 35 countries.
 
 "Racism is a feature of many football leagues inside and outside Europe," said Wachter, who expects most problems to occur outside stadiums where crowds are less controlled. "We're sure we will see some things we're used to seeing. It won't stop because of the World Cup."
 
 Particularly worrisome are the possibilities of attacks by extremist groups on spectators and visitors in train stations, bars, restaurants and open areas near the stadiums, Wachter and other experts said. To promote tolerance, he said his organization would organize street soccer matches outside World Cup stadiums.
 
 Recent attacks in the eastern Germany city of Potsdam on an Ethiopian-born engineer and in eastern Berlin on a state lawmaker of Turkish descent, along with a government report showing an increase in right-wing violence, have ignited fears that even sporadic hate crimes and other intolerant behavior could mar the World Cup, whose embracing motto is A Time to Make Friends.
 
 Far-right extremism is isolated on the fringe of German society, and the German government has intended to confront its Nazi past while preaching openness and tolerance. Germany has one of the world's lowest rates of violent crime. Still, an immigrant group called the Africa Council said it would publish a "No Go" guide for nonwhites during the World Cup, particularly for some areas of eastern Berlin and for surrounding towns of the state of Brandenburg.
 
 In mid-May, a former government spokesman, Uwe-Karsten Heye, caused a furor when he tried to assist visitors by advising that anyone "with a different skin color" avoid visiting small and midsize towns in Brandenburg and elsewhere in eastern Germany, or they "may not leave with their lives."
 
 These remarks received blunt criticism from high-ranking German officials. Wolfgang Schäuble, the minister of the interior, said there were no areas in which World Cup visitors should feel threatened, calling Germany "one of the safest places in the world."
 
 Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor, has warned that "anybody who threatens, attacks or, worse, kills anybody because of the color of his skin or because he comes from another country will face the full force of the law."
 
 The Bundesliga in Germany is one of the world's top professional soccer leagues, and has not experienced widespread racism. Incidents involving racial abuse of black players are more prevalent in semiprofessional and amateur leagues in eastern Germany. One of the cities playing host to the World Cup, Leipzig, is in the former East Germany. Another, Berlin, was partly in East Germany.
 
 After making a Nazi salute, which is illegal in Germany, Ogungbure of Nigeria was investigated by the authorities. But a charge of unconstitutional behavior against him was soon dropped because his gesture had been meant to renounce extremist activity.
 
 "I regret what I did," Ogungbure said in a telephone interview from Leipzig. "I should have walked away. I'm a professional, but I'm a human, too. They don't spit on dogs. Why should they spit on me? I felt like a nobody."
 
 Gerald Asamoah, a forward on Germany's World Cup team and a native of Ghana, has been recounting an incident in the 1990's when he was pelted with bananas before a club match in Cottbus. "I'll never forget that," he said in a television interview. "It's like we're not people." He has expressed anger and sadness over a banner distributed by a right-wing group that admonished, "No Gerald, You Are Not Germany."
 
 Cory Gibbs, an American defender who formerly played professionally in Germany, said there were restaurants and nightclubs in eastern Germany ?? and even around Hamburg in the west ?? where he was told "You're not welcome" because he was black.
 
 "I think racism is everywhere," said Gibbs, who will miss the World Cup because of a knee injury. "But I feel in Germany racism is a lot more direct."
 
 Racist behavior at soccer matches is primarily displayed by men and is fueled by several factors, according to experts: alcohol; the perceived "us versus them" threat of multiculturalism in societies that were once more ethnically homogenous; the difficult economic transition of eastern European nations since the fall of the Berlin Wall; and crude attempts to unnerve opposing players during bitter, consuming rivalries.
 
 Other observers say that the soccer stadium in Europe has become a communal soapbox, one of the few remaining public spaces where spectators can be outrageous and where political correctness does not exist and is even discouraged.
 
 "Nowhere else other than football do people meet someplace and have a stage for shouting things as an anonymous mass," said Gerd Dembowski, director of a Berlin-based antiracist organization called Floodlight. "You can shout things you would never say in your normal life, let out your frustrations."
 
 Not all the misbehavior can be traced to fans or to Europe. Players and coaches have also been transgressors.
 
 Luis Aragonés, Spain's World Cup coach, was fined in 2004 after making racial remarks about the French star Thierry Henry. In March, in the Brazilian league, the defender Antonio Carlos was suspended for 120 days, and 4 additional matches, after an incident in which he shouted "monkey" at an opposing player who was black. But it was an incident in Spain on Feb. 25 that galvanized antiracist sentiment and prodded FIFA into taking a tougher stand against bigoted behavior. That match, in Zaragoza, was temporarily halted in the 77th minute by the referee, who threatened to cancel the remaining 13 minutes after Samuel Eto'o, the star forward for Barcelona, was subjected to a chorus of racial taunts. Eto'o threatened to leave the field. His coach and teammates eventually persuaded him to continue, and last month Barcelona won the European Champions Cup.
 
 Eto'o has become one of the sport's most outspoken players on the subject of racism. "I'll continue to play," Eto'o, whose national team, Cameroon, did not qualify for the World Cup, said this week through his agent. "I'm not going to give up and hide and put my head down. I'll score goals against the teams whose fans are making rude noises."
 
 Under pressure to curb what it acknowledged was an increase in racist incidents, FIFA in late March announced a stricter set of penalties that would apply for club and national team matches. The sanctions would include suspensions of five matches for players and officials who make discriminatory gestures, fines of $16,600 to $25,000 for each offense and two-year stadium bans for offending spectators. It also said teams, which receive 3 points in the standings for a victory, would have 3 points deducted on a first offense by misbehaving players, officials or fans.
 
 Blatter, the FIFA president, told reporters that the 3-point deduction for abhorrent fan behavior would apply during the World Cup, then backed away from his comments in April. Blatter declined to comment for this article. And it remains unclear exactly what penalties will be levied against World Cup teams for offensive behavior by fans, coaches and players.
 
 Nicolas Maingot, a FIFA spokesman, said World Cup sanctions would be made public later. But in an e-mail response to questions, he said: "Only racist abuses in the field of play will be punished. For fans, it will be impossible, due to the multinationality of the audience. In other words, it would be impossible to identify from which side would potential racist abusers come."
 
 Critics counter that spectators are supposed to have their names on their tickets, so identifying offending fans should be relatively easy.
 
 Onyewu, the American defender who was punched by an opposing fan in Belgium, said the man was identified through an anonymous tip and was barred from attending matches for two years. He said he did not retaliate because he believed that racist behavior reflected acts of a minority of fans.
 
 "I'm anticipating a more professional environment in Germany because it's the World Cup," Onyewu said. Even so, he said, although antiracist efforts could restrict public behavior, "that's only helping the exterior."
 
 He added, "The interior mind thinking, you can't really change that."

HoyaSaxa03

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Re: World Cup Footie Seedings
« Reply #122 on: June 05, 2006, 01:00:00 pm »
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Originally posted by ggw?:
 Blatter, the FIFA president, told reporters that the 3-point deduction for abhorrent fan behavior would apply during the World Cup, then backed away from his comments in April. Blatter declined to comment for this article. And it remains unclear exactly what penalties will be levied against World Cup teams for offensive behavior by fans, coaches and players.
Blatter seemed pretty clear in his interview with Jeremy Schapp on sportscenter this morning that racist acts by fans in the stands would halt any game
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« Reply #123 on: June 05, 2006, 05:53:00 pm »
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
   
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Originally posted by ggw?:
 Blatter, the FIFA president, told reporters that the 3-point deduction for abhorrent fan behavior would apply during the World Cup, then backed away from his comments in April. Blatter declined to comment for this article. And it remains unclear exactly what penalties will be levied against World Cup teams for offensive behavior by fans, coaches and players.
Blatter seemed pretty clear in his interview with Jeremy Schapp on sportscenter this morning that racist acts by fans in the stands would halt any game [/b]
Jeremy Schapp should have got Blatter to explain how exactly he'd pull that off.

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« Reply #124 on: June 05, 2006, 06:18:00 pm »
I anticipate that the US-Ghana game will be the most fun I have at any game.  I've had good times in Ghana and I expect that it will be quite a party.
 
 My whole end goal is to trade for as many flags and jerseys from the African Nations as I can.  I can get a Man U/England/USA kit anywhere, but I would love to come back with a collection of African Nation kits in exchange for my kits.
 
 It's quite sad that the Euro's don't share my excitement to party with the Africans.  These opportunities don't come by that often.
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« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2006, 12:37:00 pm »
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« Reply #126 on: June 07, 2006, 01:59:00 am »
Today is judgement day for Roo!
 
 Fingers crossed......

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« Reply #127 on: June 07, 2006, 04:52:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
  Today is judgement day for Roo!
 
 Fingers crossed......
He's flying back to Germany. No official word yet, but I can't imagine he's returning for the food...
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« Reply #128 on: June 07, 2006, 07:11:00 pm »
And Djirbil Cisse broke his leg (again) in the friendly today with China and will be out of the Cup.  May miss a large part of Liverpool's season as well, now that he can't be transferred.
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« Reply #129 on: June 07, 2006, 08:50:00 pm »
not to totally hijack this thread, but if anyone works in the bethesda area and wants to head to flanagan's on cordellto watch a game (only place i know in bethesda that is showing all games), please pm me. i already told my bosses that i was taking leave in 2 hour spurts for the next 30 days.

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« Reply #130 on: June 08, 2006, 12:40:00 pm »
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That's not hijakcing, getting folks out to watch the games is encouraged.
 
 So apparently the campground near Frnakfurt we're staying at is packed with Brits.  One guy is a BBC reporter and my brother-in-law went to introduce himself:
 
 Reporter: ??Hey, you??re American??
 
 Brother: ??Yes, how are you.?
 
 Reporter: ??Good.  Here on vacation??
 
 Brother: ??We??re here for the World Cup!?
 
 Reporter: ??Football?  I thought you said you were American.?
 
 Should be a good time being an American at the World Cup.
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« Reply #131 on: June 09, 2006, 09:37:00 am »
although i am not a huge huge fan of the sport.  There is an British Navy ship docked right in Fells Point, outside of my office, and me and the 2 english gentlemen i work with made plans to watch the game tomorrow morning at the pub down the street.
 
   should be quite an interesting time!!!

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« Reply #132 on: June 09, 2006, 10:14:00 am »
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  although i am not a huge huge fan of the sport.  There is an British Navy ship docked right in Fells Point, outside of my office, and me and the 2 english gentlemen i work with made plans to watch the game tomorrow morning at the pub down the street.
 
   should be quite an interesting time!!!
Beware of Paraguay, tiny country no one knows much about, but good football players playing in very decent european clubs.

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« Reply #133 on: June 09, 2006, 01:51:00 pm »
WOW.....what a great first game

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« Reply #134 on: June 09, 2006, 02:04:00 pm »
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  WOW.....what a great first game
The Germans were toying with Costa Rica. I think they could have scored at will. Both goals from Costa Rica were lucky and the second one shouldn't have even counted since they were clearly off sides.
 
 But yes, this was a great way to open the Cup.