To me, Kill Bill is a great movie because a) it is shot wonderfully, b) the story is compelling, c) the action is fantastic, d) it entertained me to no end, and e) as a final product, it all comes together cohesively (music, visuals, story, etc). Does that mean it's art? I think, looking at it artistically, yes, certain elements (score/soundtrack, cinematography) are great examples of the art of film, but overall, it's a just a great entertaining movie.
Originally posted by markie:
but when someone says Kill Bill is a great movie, do they mean it is a great piece of art or just a good 90 minutes of entertainment?
Yes, there are very obvious parallels between the two movies. For me, though, American Beauty strikes a much more personal note. I guess in this regard, I am judging the movies for a personal effect and message. Besides, I honestly think American Beauty was just a much more quality film in the way that it was shot. Nothing about Happiness impressed me all that much.
Originally posted by markie:
As for american beauty, can you not see the parallels between it and happiness? It is the same subject matter. American beauty is so schmultzy, its made for people who watched the wonder years too much.
As for you, I do think someone could say the same about both movies. I'm not trying to give a definitive "this is good while this is bad" argument. Markie just asked for reason why people liked Kill Bill, which I'm trying to give him. And I was also illustrating reasons why I didn't like Happiness. I can easily see someone being disgusted by the violence, profanity and drug use in all of the movies we're discussing.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by nkotbie:
As for Happiness, I think that it fell into the trap that many independant movies do, in that it was shocking for the sake of being shocking.
Couldn't one say the same for Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction? [/b]
And I think, if you look at any of my comments on this, I never try to hide the fact that I'm talking about being ENTERTAINED by a movie, and not needing it to be ART.
Originally posted by Jaguär:
The thing that I find highly amuzing about this thread is that you guys are trying to have an intellectual discussion over a lot of crap without coming out and admitting that you sometimes just enjoy a little of the lowest common denominator of blood, gore, and sex. :roll:
Give it up! It just doesn't work. It's like going into an elevator and hearing the fake Boston Pops version of Sex And Drugs And Rock And Roll.
