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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2007, 01:16:00 pm »
game will not be postponed - not an official fact, just my very very self-assured belief.  would be happy to bet on it  :)
 
 no, i've never heard of a game being delayed for a death.
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« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2007, 01:17:00 pm »
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« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2007, 02:11:00 pm »
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  Word.  All reports say the guy had really turned his life around in the past year of so.
unless you're pol pot or something, people generally speak well of the dead/dying [/b]
No, this was the general concensus before this incident.

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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2007, 02:26:00 pm »
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  Word.  All reports say the guy had really turned his life around in the past year of so.
unless you're pol pot or something, people generally speak well of the dead/dying [/b]
No, this was the general concensus before this incident. [/b]
well, maybe he did turn a corner, but i liked wilbon's skeptical take on it during his chat yesterday
 
   
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 Columbia, Md.: What makes you think that Taylor was still embracing his old ways? Everything we have heard from the Redskins and Portis is that this is a new Sean. Apparently the birth of his child really helped to straighten him out. Is this contrary to what you know?
 
 Michael Wilbon: Sorry, but I'm not in the habit of having companies with their own public relations agenda tell me about black men and what they feel or don't feel. Pardon me if I'm not that easy.
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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2007, 02:39:00 pm »
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  game will not be postponed - not an official fact, just my very very self-assured belief.  would be happy to bet on it   :)  
 
 no, i've never heard of a game being delayed for a death.
not for football at least (other than 9/11). . .baseball will postpone games for deaths of active players though.
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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2007, 02:40:00 pm »
Except it was his teammates (not the PR firms) saying they saw a change in Taylor.  
 
 Wilbon is good at representing the 'outsiders' perspective.

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« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2007, 02:45:00 pm »
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  Except it was his teammates (not the PR firms) saying they saw a change in Taylor.  
i really don't mean to belabor the point, but if a reporter asked me if my friend had changed for the better, i'd probably respond in the affirmative
 
 not saying the guy was gang-banging on his off-days, just offering some healthy skepticism
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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2007, 03:16:00 pm »
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  Except it was his teammates (not the PR firms) saying they saw a change in Taylor.  
i really don't mean to belabor the point, but if a reporter asked me if my friend had changed for the better, i'd probably respond in the affirmative
 
 not saying the guy was gang-banging on his off-days, just offering some healthy skepticism [/b]
I hear you...21 was definately no angel and there's a really good chance that past misdeeds had come back to haunt him and ultimately cost him his life.  I don't share Wilbon's opinion that this is no big shock or no surprise or whatever he said. This is shocking and surprising news.  But if you asked me which Redskin this was most likely to happen to Taylor would have been my answer.
 
 Just sayin...long before this happened many folks around him had been commenting that he's done a lot of growing up since some of his past troubles.

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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2007, 03:22:00 pm »
Taylor's Death Is Tragic but Not Surprising
 By Leonard Shapiro
 Special to washingtonpost.com
 Tuesday, November 27, 2007; 12:28 PM
 
 A few years ago, I was allowed to spend what became a thoroughly illuminating afternoon at the NFL's rookie symposium, then, a four-day session held at Lansdowne Resort near Leesburg. Every drafted rookie was and still is required to attend an annual event designed to prepare the players for a wide variety of issues they would soon be facing as highly visible professional athletes.
 
 One of the more compelling elements that day was a series of skits put on by a professional acting troupe based in New York. A wide variety of scenarios was played out on the stage; from a scene in a club showing an athlete losing his temper when his girlfriend was groped by a drunken bar fly to a young player confronted by his larcenous cousin wanting him to buy a recently stolen sound system at a very reduced rate.
 
 At the dramatic high point of each presentation, at about the time the player would have to make a very critical and potentially life-altering decision, a voice offstage would scream out "FREEZE!!!!!" and the actors literally stopped and became living, breathing statues. At that point, a discussion leader stepped out and opened the floor to comments and questions on how the fictional player would have, and should have handled that situation.
 
 Consequences was the theme of the day. Everything you do has consequences, and even more so when you are young, rich and a highly visible professional athlete.
 
 I've been thinking about that symposium ever since the news broke Monday morning that Sean Taylor, the Redskins Pro Bowl safety had been shot in an apparent burglary attempt at his home in a suburban Miami neighborhood. Tragically, Taylor died early Tuesday morning from a bullet that severed the femoral artery in his groin area. The massive loss of blood was too much for even this seemingly superbly conditioned athlete to overcome.
 
 He was only 24, the father of an 18-month-old baby girl who was also in the house along with her mother, Taylor's girlfriend. And this was for real. No symposium. No actors. No questions and answers from the audience, and certainly no one around to yell "FREEZE!!!! before the madness in Miami escalated into murder. The consequence of who knows what?
 
 At the moment, it is far too soon to draw any conclusions as to how or why this tragedy occurred, why another young black man is now dead from a gunshot wound in his own home, why another athlete, Michael Vick, Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, and now Sean Taylor becomes headline news for all the wrong reasons.
 
 Certainly it would be terribly easy to rush toward some sort of instant judgment based on what we think we all knew about Taylor and the sort of life he once, and for all we know, still led. But really, we know nothing at the moment, and until we do, "may he rest in peace" ought to be the operative phrase for this day.
 
 Still, could anyone honestly say they never saw this coming? You'd have to be blind not to considering Taylor's checkered past. It was only a few months after he was drafted, when we got something of an inkling of what sort of young man the Redskins were selecting out of the University of Miami with the fifth overall selection in 2004.
 
 For one, Taylor brazenly skipped the rookie symposium he was required to attend his first year, and was fined accordingly by the NFL. You also can look at the timeline of his professional life printed on this web site or in the newspaper and draw your own preliminary conclusions.
 
 Over the first few years Taylor was in the league, he bounced from one scrape to another, blowing off the symposium, disrespecting Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs by not showing up for mandatory offseason workouts and never calling to explain why, running afoul of the law in a widely reported shooting incident in South Florida and very nearly going to jail.
 
 On the field, Taylor often was a thoroughly undisciplined player who loved to make bold statements with vicious and often dangerous hits that occasionally got him tossed from games. Clearly, he seemed to embrace the thug image on and off the field, and the fact that he rarely spoke to members of the media only enhanced his reputation as a moody, enigmatic athlete we hardly ever got to know.
 
 My colleague, Post columnist and ESPN broadcaster Michael Wilbon was asked about Taylor during his weekly internet web site discussion Monday and said, "I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white.
 
 "I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising."
 
 In the wake of his shooting, we are now hearing about a so-called new Sean Taylor, a guy who seemed to be getting his life back in order, perhaps because of the birth of his child. Maybe a light bulb finally went off in his head. He was even enjoying arguably the best season of his career until he was derailed by a knee injury two weeks ago.
 
 After a loss to Dallas two weeks ago, everyone around here, and in the Redskins locker room, was saying there was no way Terrell Owens would have caught four touchdown passes if Taylor had been patrolling the middle of the field, prepared to pounce and pound the yappy receiver any chance he got.
 
 And on Monday, a stream of Redskins players and coaches were paraded in front of the cameras and microphones at Redskins Park to testify that Taylor had truly turned his life around for the better.
 
 "The man changed his life," said running back Clinton Portis, his best friend and a former Miami teammate. "That man changed his mentality, changed his attitude. He came to work with a defined happiness."
 
 But now, Sean Taylor will never come to work again. Never mind the impact of his loss on the football team, the last thing anyone ought to be thinking about at the moment. Instead, we need to focus on why this unspeakable tragedy happened and how we can keep it from happening to so many other young men soon to be attending rookie symposiums of their own.
 
 If everything we're hearing about his life turnaround is true, surely Taylor would have been a marvelous speaker to show up at the 2008 session this spring. Maybe this time, when the man off stage shouts "FREEZE!!!!" everyone in the room will be thinking about truth, and consequences and surely paying a lot more attention.

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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2007, 03:29:00 pm »
this is not hfstival.com
 
 
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  this guy does have a temper problem but when your at the level that he is at life you can't afford to be a pussy.
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LMAO this a forum..if you care about my grammar so much you have no life.. [/b]
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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2007, 05:24:00 pm »
it's been an upsetting couple of days, and i'm *just* a fan.  my thoughts and prayers are with sean's family, friends, and his redskins family.
 
 and to put it simply: thank you, mike wise:
 
 Death of Taylor Leaves Nothing but Disbelief
 
 By Mike Wise
 Tuesday, November 27, 2007; 3:49 PM
 
 In other places, it is time to dissect the senselessness, to understand what terrible, awful events led up to the death of Sean Taylor -- to figure out why a kid who had everything to live for seemingly died for nothing.
 
 Today in Ashburn, the most numbing and tragic day in franchise history, there are only looks of disbelief, tears and a deepening hurt that won't go away.
 
 Red-eyed teammates, some inconsolable. Weeping coaches, trying to hold it together. Shaken team employees, comforting big, strong grown men who have spent their whole existence learning to hide pain instead of dealing with it.
 
 Reed Doughty choked back tears. Someone asked if he was crying.
 
 "Of course," he began, about to break down, "It's real."
 
 Pete Kendall was asked if he had spoken to his children about Taylor's death. "I'm sure that will come," he said. "They asked and my wife and I just tried to explain to them there was a situation."
 
 Compared to usual protocol around the Redskins, the scene is just so surreal. In the NFL, Tuesday is considered an off day, a time to rest bodies and recuperate for the next week's game. Who among them ever believed they would be mourning the passing of a teammate?
 
 Taylor, the enigmatic Redskins safety, is dead at 24 years old. He died during the night after earlier reports that he had been responsive to attending physicians. Everyone who left Redskins Park in Ashburn last night around midnight had their cautious optimism stripped away sometime after 6 a.m., the moment we learned of his death.
 
 He's gone? He's gone.
 
 And for what, men seeking his material wealth? Revenge? His fearless nature? No one is sure today. No one here cares. They all weep and wonder how it is that a young, virile Pro Bowl safety -- the player Sports Illustrated tabbed the hardest hitter in the NFL -- did not wake up this morning to begin the long road to recovery.
 
 They all swallow hard and wonder how such a strong, resilient kid, whose on-field collisions brought back memories of Ronnie Lott and Jack Tatum and all the game's ferocious defenders, somehow was shot in his own home and became yet another Miami-Dade County homicide victim.
 
 It should be mentioned that, disturbingly in this violent country, Sean Taylor became another young, black male whose dreams perished before his 25th birthday. He just happened to be richer and more famous than the rest.
 
 The scene here is just so surreal, almost incomprehensible. No one here today could even remember the last time a professional team's star athlete was murdered in the middle of the season. Lyman Bostock Jr., maybe. Bostock was a rising star for the Minnesota Twins in 1978, who carried the namesake of his father, a former Negro Leagues star. While visiting an uncle the week before the season ended, he was mistakenly shot by a man aiming for his estranged wife. He died at 27. Like Taylor, Bostock had less than four complete seasons before his death.
 
 In the Washington area, the only thing that comes close is former University of Maryland basketball star Len Bias's cocaine-induced death in June of 1986 after he was drafted by the Boston Celtics. He was just 22 years old.
 
 Like Bias, Taylor had so much in front of him -- an 18-month-old daughter to raise, a football career to further distinguish himself, maybe one day a bust in Canton, Ohio, beside all the other Hall of Famers. At the very least, a long life to lead. And now there is nothing.
 
 NFL players are often freakish, and not just in physical stature. If they are among the largest and strongest men in the world, they also pride themselves on their ability to manage pain, especially emotional pain. Acknowledging that kind of hurt is still, sadly, considered a weakness.
 
 In some ways they are more unprepared to deal with Taylor's experience than most people. When elite athletes gear the mind to be impervious toward shortcomings -- when they begin to believe the myth of their own invincibility -- it is that much more difficult to get in touch with their own mortality.
 
 And yet there was Clinton Portis before he boarded a plane for Miami, his voice about to break, distilling what we all felt when he said, "This ain't nothing you live and die for."
 
 "What you live and die for is your kids, you live and die for your family and that's what Sean was doing," Portis said.
 
 For much of his brief career Taylor distrusted the media, feeling he had been unfairly portrayed as a University of Miami thug while also at the same time refusing to publicly acknowledge his role in that perception. A sincere attempt to get Taylor to open up in an interview last month went nowhere; the trust just wasn't there. Sad, isn't it, that the player who often barely said a word is having his life talked about incessantly today?
 
 There are millions of questions about this young man to be debated. His past, some of which was criminal and could easily be construed as violent. His decision to return to South Florida and lose contact again with his coach, Joe Gibbs. And Taylor's connection to the controversial Miami football program, which just last season had a player murdered outside his apartment complex during the season.
 
 In the wake of his death, it's fair to ask if any or all of this contributed to his life being taken. But not here, not in Ashburn.
 
 Before quickly considering this is a criminal case or foolishly stereotyping this as "a U. thing," Taylor's death should be considered a people issue. In the parking lot of a Northern Virginia office building -- at a National Football League training facility, of all places -- this is simply about a young man who died too soon and left his teammates, friends and extended family groping for answers to a tragedy.
 
 The truth is, whatever Taylor was, whatever his past, he made a sincere effort to alter what people thought of him before he died. "That man changed his life, that man changed his mentality, changed his attitude, he came to work with a defined happiness," Portis said on Monday, as Taylor was still clinging to life in Miami.
 
 This team is somehow supposed to play a football game on Sunday, but right now it feels so distant. As the people with red, bleary eyes keep coming through the door, there is no blessing in disguise here, no payoff to this story that can make the pain and the tears disappear. There is just sadness and the unending feeling that nothing will be the same here anymore, where Sean Taylor plied his trade daily after he pulled into his painted, No. 21 parking space.
 
 Today, along with the grief in Ashburn, it is all that is left.

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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2007, 06:01:00 pm »
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 RIP Sean Taylor.
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« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2007, 07:27:00 pm »
This is incredibly sad (from a rare interview in 2005 after his arrest regarding the ATV incident):
 
 
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"I never ever, ever want to put myself in that situation. If I die, at least let it be in my sleep or an accident or something.
 
 "It's something that makes me kind of think 10 steps ahead now: Getting shot at ain't something nice. I'm not talking about one or two bullets. I'm talking about a whole lot of bullets. It was a shocker. Man, these people don't care if you don't wake up tomorrow.
 
 "I don't even know how to explain it. You would almost have to be in my shoes. There's so much more to live for than to go out by a bullet. I can't even put it in the correct words."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/31/AR2005073100516_2.html
 
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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2007, 07:45:00 pm »
He was obviously targeted.  Why?  Maybe the facts will come out eventually.

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Re: sean taylor shot
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2007, 10:34:00 am »
I dont know if he was targeted.  If they were targeting him, to kill him, I think they would have probably fired more than two shots seeing one missed and one hit his leg.