No Baseball in DC?

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by HerrDoktorDoom:
  You still have said nothing that challenges the fact that baseball players are a bunch of tobacco-chewing millionaire rednecks, the owners are a bunch of slimy no-class cologne-drenched fat cats with mobster ties, and people who think "intangible benefits" are worth squandering millions of taxpayer dollars are a bunch of glassy-eyed dreamers who've seen "Field of Dreams" a few too many times.

wow. . .talk about ignorant.

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by HerrDoktorDoom:
 
 
 You still have said nothing that challenges the fact that baseball players are a bunch of tobacco-chewing millionaire rednecks, the owners are a bunch of slimy no-class cologne-drenched fat cats with mobster ties, and people who think "intangible benefits" are worth squandering millions of taxpayer dollars are a bunch of glassy-eyed dreamers who've seen "Field of Dreams" a few too many times.

how can you argue with this, I mean the facts are laid out right here for everybody

[chaz]

Originally posted by HerrDoktorDoom:
 

and people who think "intangible benefits" are worth squandering millions of taxpayer dollars are a bunch of glassy-eyed dreamers who've seen "Field of Dreams" a few too many times. [/b]

Or maybe they're just baseball fans who'd like to see a team in their home town.
 
 Look, I'm not arguing that many dc residents don't want this to happen.  But this statement is just stupid.

[Guiny]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 anyway, by next summer I will be saying "Pedro who?"
 [/QB]

That's what I've been sayin' all along.

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 
   and yes, Renteria is EXACTLY what we need.

just read this on espn (but they have been wrong a bunch of times already)
 
 Dec. 15 - According to a source close to the situation, shortstop Edgar Renteria will be returning to the Cardinals in 2005 â?? and the deciding issue was not money.  Even though the Red Sox offer (about $36 million over four years) trumped St. Louis's reported final offer ($32 million over four years), Renteria chose familiarity and comfort with his surroundings â?? teammates, coaches, medical staff â?? over a few million dollars.
 
 His agents are currently in the process of informing other interested teams of Renteria's decision that he will not entertain their offers, but instead will be re-signing with St. Louis.

[Guiny]

Originally posted by HerrDoktorDoom:
 baseball players are a bunch of tobacco-chewing millionaire rednecks[/QB]

They have rednecks in the Dominican Republic, Japan and South Korea?

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by pollard:
  just read this on espn (but they have been wrong a bunch of times already)
 
 Dec. 15 - According to a source close to the situation, shortstop Edgar Renteria will be returning to the Cardinals in 2005 â?? and the deciding issue was not money.  Even though the Red Sox offer (about $36 million over four years) trumped St. Louis's reported final offer ($32 million over four years), Renteria chose familiarity and comfort with his surroundings â?? teammates, coaches, medical staff â?? over a few million dollars.
 
 His agents are currently in the process of informing other interested teams of Renteria's decision that he will not entertain their offers, but instead will be re-signing with St. Louis.

scott boras would never have allowed mere familiarity to triumph!

[HoyaSaxa03]

all you knee-jerk baseball hatahz: you and i both don't know the complexities of this deal, how it will affect our city in terms of economic growth and how it compares to similar deals in other cities ... i'm not saying its a good deal or a bad one, but the reason we have elected officials is for them to make decisions like this, i sure as fuck know that we aren't qualified enough.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
  all you knee-jerk baseball hatahz: you and i both don't know the complexities of this deal, how it will affect our city in terms of economic growth and how it compares to similar deals in other cities ... i'm not saying its a good deal or a bad one, but the reason we have elected officials is for them to make decisions like this, i sure as fuck know that we aren't qualified enough.

i don't even think our elected officials are qualified.  i was watching the debate last night, and i swear, i don't know how half of them got elected. . oh wait, yes i do.  

[ratioci nation]

espn sucks
 
 http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/12/15/renteria_signs_with_red_sox_for_four_years_40m/
 
 

Renteria signs with Red Sox for four years, $40m
 By Indira A.R. Lakshmanan, Globe Staff | December 15, 2004
 
 Edgar Renteria signed a four-year $40 million contract with the Red Sox today, giving Boston an All-Star shortstop.
 

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by pollard:
  espn sucks
 
  http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/12/15/renteria_signs_with_red_sox_for_four_years_40m/
 
   

Renteria signs with Red Sox for four years, $40m
 By Indira A.R. Lakshmanan, Globe Staff | December 15, 2004
 
 Edgar Renteria signed a four-year $40 million contract with the Red Sox today, giving Boston an All-Star shortstop.
 

[/b]

so, i guess the hanley ramirez bidding is to begin??  or do they move him to 2nd?

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[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

heh... I was just yanking your easily-yankable chains.  
 
 But seriously, I have yet to hear any argument for taxpayer financing of a baseball stadium that is not easily debunked.  The only semi-valid argument I've heard is that it creates economic gain -- but you would get more economic gain if you just put that money into directly rebuilding that area, rather than spending it on something tangential.   That argument is like justifying the space shuttle because the space program led to pens that can write upside down.

[J'Mal]

this is a disaster and an embarrasment for DC.
 
 Sorry, pouring tax payer money into more government kofi-annan type DC programs is not going to reinvigorate that or any other neighborhood.
 
 Luring **business** to the District, and actual consumers who spend money that can then be taxed, THAT is the only way to fix what is wrong with the city.
 
 This was going to be funded by a gross receipts tax on the largest businesses in DC.  It doesn't come out of general revenue or anything else.  It's not as though, without baseball, that money is available to be spent on something else.
 
 Fact is, baseball wants to sell the expos/nationals, and they cannot do that if Linda Cropp adds $300 million to the team's price tag.  
 
 This was a win-win for the city and for baseball.   Baseball could unload the expos.  The city gets it money back, and more, because suddenly there are 20, 30, 40 thousand people from the burbs coming to ANACOSTIA for crissakes to spend money at least 80 times a year.
 
 Baseball will now take its team to a city that understands simple concepts like investment and capitalism.  The neighborhood where the stadium and all of its attendant social benefits would have gone, will remain a socialist shithole, congratulating cropp for sticking it to "fat cats" and whitey.  The city is a joke.

[godsshoeshine]

Originally posted by HerrDoktorDoom:
  heh... I was just yanking your easily-yankable chains.  
 
 But seriously, I have yet to hear any argument for taxpayer financing of a baseball stadium that is not easily debunked.  The only semi-valid argument I've heard is that it creates economic gain -- but you would get more economic gain if you just put that money into directly rebuilding that area, rather than spending it on something tangential.   That argument is like justifying the space shuttle because the space program led to pens that can write upside down.

how is building a new stadium NOT directly rebuilding an area? how else are you going to get 30,000 people there 81 times a year? if you 'directly' put the money into anacostia, you're just going to end up giving breaks to other fatcat businessmen, although ones with a lesser public profile.
 
 wasn't the area around mci terrible before they built it? i really enjoy going there, and the new stuff around chinatown is a big reason why. if mci was in the burbs, that would be alot less time in the city for me