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SalParadise

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apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« on: March 11, 2005, 11:00:00 am »
i'm looking into finally buying myself something here in the city. seems like pretty much all buildings in DC are these "co-ops". i didn't even know what this was until a couple of days ago...and still know very little.
 
 anyone here with experience can brief me on what to expect? advantages/disadvantages? should i avoid like the plague?
 
 any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 11:01:00 am »
you must only be looking at old buildings, because new buildings are condos, never co-ops...
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SalParadise

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Re: apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 11:05:00 am »
yep, mostly old buildings at this point (i've only been looking for about a week).

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2005, 11:07:00 am »
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  because new buildings are condos, never co-ops...
this is good info though, thanks.

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Re: apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2005, 11:08:00 am »
Don't know if my Co-op experience is the same as what you are looking at. But, being apart of the Co-op which owns the units in  Old Greenbelt has been a positive experience for me.  It gives one the advantage of apt living because for the monthly fee they take of maintenance (plumbing, electrical) as well as any infrastructure improvements such as roof replacements. But, you own the unit as regular home so you get the tax benefits as well as gaining equity etc...
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Re: apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2005, 11:18:00 am »
Finally! A topic that I actually know something about.  I've been a member of the forum since God-knows-when, but haven't had anything useful to contribute.  Anyway, at the risk of going over things that everyone knows, a co-op is a building that's owned by a corporation in which the residents own shares.  Unlike a condo, where you actually own real estate, co-op members only own stock that grants them the right to reside in a particular unit.
 
 Not all co-ops are older buildings, although they tend to be.  There are several reasons that an apartment building may want to convert to a co-op instead of a condo.  On one end of the spectrum, sales prices tend to be lower so low-income residents of an apt. building may have an easier time buying in when the building converts.  At the higher income end, a co-op board has the right to approve members (unlike a condo), so they can keep the building "exclusive."  IMHO, there are more negatives to co-ops than positive.  First, they're difficult to finance -- many banks won't lend to co-op members.  Second, they're a bit harder to sell -- there are only a few title companies around that are experienced in co-op transfers.  Third, boards have a lot more power than in a condo to regulate your use of the unit(some people find that to be a positive, though).
 
 That's just my opinion.  Other people really like co-ops, so I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2005, 11:25:00 am »
I live in a co-op, and while they are generally disadvantageous as compared to condos, if you're a normal person leading a normal life you'll probably never notice it.  If you want to rent the apartment out someday as an investment, you might run into problems.  That, for the most part, is the only practical difference.  
 
 Personally, I like old buildings what with high ceilings, clunky radiators, and all, and so I consider it well worth it.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2005, 11:26:00 am »
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   I've been a member of the forum since God-knows-when, but haven't had anything useful to contribute.  
that hasnt stopped Markie or Rhett!

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2005, 11:30:00 am »
I live in a co-op as well, but i rent my apt.  
 
  this is cool with me because generally living around people who live in the apartments is better because they are less tempted to trash thier own house! and you dont have new neighbors every 6 months.
 
   however, something bad is that my landlord now owns 70% of the apts in the co-op, which means if anyone wants to sell thier place, they MUST offer it to him first, and he can buy it for wikked cheap.
   
 
  so, look into WHO owns this co-op and if any are rentals or what. you dont want to buy a place you cant sell for a good price!

SalParadise

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2005, 11:31:00 am »
yeah, i've read a lot of them have this "buyer must occupy for first 2 years".
 
 i was contemplating a move to chicago at some point, possibly within 2 years.
 
 is it possible to "rent under the table" without having the building board find out? do they do apt. raids in the middle of the night and take fingerprints of the occupants for confirmation?
 
 again, thanks for the info everyone.

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Re: apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 11:34:00 am »
There are fewer options when trying to getting a loan on a co-op.  Sligthly higher interest rates on offer. And at least in Greenbelt the relationship between Real Estate Agents and Mortgage Co's is pretty incestious.  Again in Greenbelt selling a Co-op is pretty easy process, units have been known to sell within a day or two.  It's also easier to Sell by Owner in Greenbelt.
 
 And welcome to 1702  :)
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SalParadise

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Re: apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005, 11:36:00 am »
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  There are fewer options when trying to getting a loan on a co-op.  Sligthly higher interest rates on offer. And at least in Greenbelt the relationship between Real Estate Agents and Mortgage Co's is pretty incestious.  Again in Greenbelt selling a Co-op is pretty easy process, units have been known to sell within a day or two.  It's also easier to Sell by Owner in Greenbelt.
 
 And welcome to 1702   :)  
yeah, but it's still Greenbelt.
 
 (just kidding)
 
 yes, welcome to 1702.
 
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2005, 11:36:00 am »
i wanted a co-op but couldn't get one.  basically, i like the more people-owned structure, as a philosophy, and i hate condo management associations.  
 
 condo boards can be just as evil as co-op boards, to that doesn't really set the two apart much.  co-ops are just more community-oriented and attract people who care more about their building.

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Re: apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2005, 11:38:00 am »
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Originally posted by SalParadise:
 
 
 is it possible to "rent under the table" without having the building board find out? do they do apt. raids in the middle of the night and take fingerprints of the occupants for confirmation?
 
 
Depends on the building and -- even more so -- who's on the board.  In my experience, the people who run for board positions in both condos and co-ops are usually the ones who really like to enforce the rules.  Laissez-faire type people usually don't want the hassle.  While they don't do bed checks, it's pretty easy to figure out who's living in a unit.  That said, I'm sure that there are buildings where people are more lax than others.
 
 
 EDIT -- Oh, and thanks for the welcome.

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Re: apt. owners: pros & cons of Co-ops?
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2005, 11:40:00 am »
hmmm wonder if kosmette and sonick were once neighbors, she rented in a co-op when we first started dating.  she really like her place with the big ceiling, etc...
 
 hey greenbelts great, close to the parkway, metro, lovely trees, a movie theatre you can walk to, the cicadas have left.
 
 plus my neighbor makes do without a car and it's only a 30 minute drive to the 9:30 club a bit longer if you take the metro.
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